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When Life Throws You a Curve Ball

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12:11 min | Last month

When Life Throws You a Curve Ball

"Hey this is beth. Ericsson with notes. From minnesota where i celebrate a magnificently mundane creative life and rangel a writing career in the middle of nowhere. Plus i probably have too many opinions but oh well this is episode number fifty five. Oh my gosh hard to believe in. That just goes too fast. Thanks for tuning in today. I don't have any announcements so to speak except subscribe to writing accept rides free. You get a whole lot of fun stuff and in on some really great deals from filbert publishing which is my company and we have some pretty good books coming out as of late. So it's kinda cool so we may as well just hop to it and get to our feature discussion today. I'm going to talk about broken hearts and it's probably not what you think. But that's that's all good anyway Crazy crazy thing happened since last time. We chatted. Oh when i talk about working in the middle of minnesota in the middle of nowhere in the middle of who knows what this is kind of what i'm talking about this. This is going to be real interesting slice of life for anybody who's ever had something weird happen so typical afternoon. I'm sitting in my writing chair when my dear husband who was supposed to be at work but he was not for some crazy reason he just popped his head into my workspace and said hey. How'd you like to take me to wilmer. And i was like Not right now. I'm in the middle of something you know. We've been married for so long. And i get a little blunt. Sometimes and then he's like no. I think i might go to wilmer. I think you need to take me. And i think i need to go to the emergency room. Well then he kinda yeah. He got my attention at that point and So grabbed all my stuff hopped in our little car and on our way to wilmer which is five miles away i said. Do you want to go to urgent care. And he's like. Oh no i think. I need to go to the emergency room and at that point. He like grasped his chest and he said We need to get there as soon as possible Which kind of scared me now. Cova does hit some of our smaller hospitals pretty bad and ours. Yeah nothing's the same. Nothing is the same. I've lived here my whole life. I've and i drove to the emergency room. And you know how they usually have this but we used to have this bay you just drive up and up the magical door would go. You'd go on this little garage they'd take your loved one and then you'd go park. Well no more bay. No one's allowed in there but deal ambulances who thought in so head to drop him off at the door at dropped him off at the front door of the hospital. And the kinda hobbled in. And i went to go park and when i got there i was kind of surprised because normally when people while maurice head one other heart attack maurice my husband and Just touching his chest got him surrounded by medical personality personality personnel and they would whisk him into the appropriate area. This time i found him just sitting there at registration and kinda struggling to get through. All of the. Where's your insurance card whereas years words that and Then they told him to go in the waiting room. And there's my husband's sitting in the waiting room hand-clasping his chest and i'm thinking. Oh my gosh what's going on. This is so not right. Turns out the every single emergency room bay was filled with cova d- patients pretty much. All of them had not been vaccinated and so there they all were having covert in the emergency room while my husband was sitting in the waiting room having a heart attack now i i know i probably had a very judgmental tone. At that point. I was terrified. Absolutely terrified you stand or how do you sit in. I was standing. I couldn't sit. How'd you stand it in emergency room waiting room watching your loved one clutching their chest turning gray and kinda woozy. And oh my god. It was just I have never experienced anything quite like that so anyway eventually someone finally came out and got him because a room opened up and in we went they hooked up. Hooked him up to all these wires in the ekg lady came in. Oh hats off to that woman. She was amazing. I wish i had gotten her name because she she was just so kind. Everyone else was a little bit tired and frosty and Yeah i don't blame him. I do not blame them but she was just very reassuring hooked him up and then the doctor looked at the thing entered our room and he said the helicopter will be here in eighteen minutes now the helicopter. Because like i said we live in the middle of nowhere when things are bad especially like cardiac Ever and gets flown our well. It's an hour drive. Sixty miles north of here to a big old city called saint cloud minnesota and that's exactly where they sent my husband Bego helicopter came and they whisked him off. I of course. Don't get to go in the helicopter for obvious reasons nor did our son and so we just basically had to like leave. You know by everybody and we'd stood outside. Watch the helicopter get filled up with our loved one and off. They flew in there. We were an hour. That was the longest ride of my life. I they had my phone number. I told him to call me if anything came up. I was concerned for my husband because we stupidly had his hearing aids he has. He's a sheet metal worker and does not here well at all and we had his hearing aids service the day before and he didn't have his ears he couldn't hear anything in so i had also concerned for him. So anyway we be my son. And i went to saint cloud and we were to seoul so fortunate that my sister happened to be around that day and she happens to be one of the most incredible people you'll ever meet period hands down. She drove us and they winter. I do my gosh sobbing. Not exactly a pillar of strength because how scared maury looked so different. It was just tremendously scary but my dear sister got her husband who tend to my car and his car. And i don't know who else who all card and while she drove us to saint cloud to to find out. Whatever happened to maury when we got to saint cloud He was in the cardiac intensive care unit. Oh my god hearing those words just killed me but we walked up there and why. Oh we we we had. We were an hour off from him. He arrived apparently they whisked in dome this elevator and they shoved something something up his wrist and they put a something something in his heart and he's okay and by the time we got there all of that was already done and he was just laying in bed and very relieved. He actually had really great color and everything and he apparently had He had a heart attack nineteen years ago and they put a bagel stepped in as a stent is like this little wire. Mesh thing that they that they they went through his growing up and I intentionally forget some of this stuff because it's kind of greasy. That's why i'm not a nurse. But his blockage was exactly whereas other heart attack was and so they put a stent inside his dent which. I can't believe he could do that. while it's been a heck of a heck of a few weeks what can i say. I think the reason. I even talk about it on the podcast series. Because i never want anybody to ever forget at life really can change on a dime one minute you. you're editing. Some fun stuff and chit chatting online would do whatever it is you do and the next. You don't know if you're going to have a loved one. It's just crazy it might. My son always says that man plans and god laughs. And i really that that that's kind of the way it goes Another thing another takeaway hope you do that. You take from here is that please treat those you care about as precious because they really are. If you have someone as awesome as my sister in your life please remember that and please treat them like gold because they are. We had so many kind and wonderful people throughout this entire experience that just went above and beyond the call of duty in. It's amazing to know that we have all these angels in our communities. That are just so unsung we. We need to thank them so much. Which brings me to my next point. Let's let's all be really kind to our hospital professionals. I have a sister and a niece who are registered nurses and. They're having a hard time of it right now. They really are. They're exhausted where breaking our medical system. I've never been to our e. r. when it's absolutely full and not even one room available. I fear for people this all. Our drama happened before our big spike in cova cases and people having to go to the er for that. I just wish we could all be kind to be kind to one another. Do what you can to help you know if if they ask you to do something crazy like wear a here and there. I'm happy to do it to be able to keep our emergency rooms open. Because i don't want anybody to needlessly pass away or wind up with some sort of the lingering condition because they couldn't get the medical help they needed when they needed it. And the last thing i want to bring up is please follow your dream now. Customer isn't a promise. We did not see my husband's heart attack coming. We did not see my own cancer diagnosis on the horizon. All these things happen as a big surprise and they're not a good surprise. And so if you have a dream in your heart if you feel like you have a reason that you're here on this planet start working on that sooner rather than later because it's so joyful and so wonderful and the guy said tomorrow is not necessarily promised to you if you're stock and don't know how to get that thing going i wrote a whole book on it. Check it out at filbert like the nut publishing dot com. I would be so appreciative if you'd pick up a copy because tomorrow is not promised and i hope that next time we chat. I'm going to have a little funner chitchat thing topic. There's the word given. I forget words. This is been notes for minnesota. I'm beth erickson. Thanks for hanging with me. You can find me at filbert. Publishing dot com. If you enjoy today's episode tele friend. I appreciate it. Thanks for tuning in and we'll see new soon.

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Full Episode: Friday, July 5, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:06 min | 2 years ago

Full Episode: Friday, July 5, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today it indeed dot com slash tonight that's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight jobsite shock news bears following that six point four earthquake in southern california children on stage when the quake hit hundreds of aftershocks less than twenty four hours later a major five point four tremors jonesing region are appliance stores to safety also breaking news a woman robbing college dorm on american campus building heavily damaged reports of injuries coming in resident trump's new lanta adam controversial citizenship citizenship question to the census even after being rejected by the supreme court and what he now says is to blame for that historical gaffe during his fourth of july addressing the road rage mannheim at this hour police searching for the suspect one of her firing into a family pickup igniting fireworks inside the vehicle in flames of american racing to rescue the family the deadly chopper crash in the bahamas a billionaire whole tycoon and his daughter among the victims some hunting new images of that helicopter at the bottom of the ocean emergency landing fire breaking out on board a virgin airlines flight from new york to london passengers phone charger possibly to blame me out of control car on the highways spinning out across four lanes of traffic the driver making a remarkable recovery's at wimbledon comeback kid fifteen year old cocoa golf one point away from elimination storming back when the winds age is receding what she calls the most unexpected messaging who sent it to you good evening and it's great to have you with us on this friday night i'm celia vega infra david and we begin with those powerful aftershocks rocking southern california millions on edge following the strongest earthquake hit the region in twenty years just moments ago authorities announcing there have been more than fourteen hundred aftershocks in the last twenty four hours hours the most powerful magnitude five point four rattling homes in stores items flying off the shelves that quake a six point four causing injuries fires end extensive damage seismologist warning an even bigger quake could hit within the next few days abc's marcus more epicenter enrich crafts starting us off tonight after that powerful six point four quake struck homes and businesses aftershocks stocks rattling building nerves there's been about fourteen hundred aftershocks a seventeen magnitude four aftershocks including one by point for the biggest one so far hitting eighty epicenter either pilgrim reporting live and this is the road between rich crest and trona when the ground starting to say could buckled at highway and tore the pavement leaving cracks like this one wasn't a foot deep rich crest now under a state of emergency pictures flying off the walls of this business this watch this restaurant employee taking cover inside a doorway crates and bottles flying from store shelves shattered glass strewn across the floor workers sprinting to safety sixty five children performing a july fourth play the ground starchy three of our spy kids were amnesty i'm all the way in the back of the room and i'm just trying to figure out like how am i gonna get to my kids my immediate thought was my little sister 'cause she's six so i jumped over run islands chairs and i random stage and got her is still kind of on the edge absolutely yeah 'em i'm not comfortable in the inside my house these homes knocks on their foundation sarah beret running to help her neighbors i ran through the glass barefoot outside here kick it over to their house the kids make sure they were okay we pulled the owner out in her i believe her granddaughter out at the trailer and after gas leak sparked fires thursday authorities now telling homeowners to call their providers they smell gas so many people on edge there tonight and marcus joins us live from rich crest california's so markets we mentioned those fourteen hundred aftershocks so far officials are now putting some odds on the potential for an even bigger quake in the next few days yesterday officials are saying there's a one in twenty chance of that happening so they're telling residents here to be prepared that if you feel the ground start to shake very quickly find cover under something sturdy and hold on also have a pair of shoes next to your bed in case you have to escape quickly at night because you could be running over broken glass or other debris just really important reminders there okay marcus thank you also breaking this hour explosion rocking the campus at the university of nevada reno several dormant badly damaged by the blast reports of some people suffering injuries firefighters lazy explosion on utilities accident abc's aerial russia with images just coming it oh my gosh tonight those terrifying moment an explosion rocking a dorm at the university of nevada reno entrance blown out students feared trapped inside rescuers racing to get them out authorities say the blast happened in the boiler room where technician were doing work all those debris start falling and it was like look bad smell the school sending this alert calling me incident utilities accident cautioning people to stay away cecilia an investigation is now underway classes has been cancelled the delia okay aerial thank you and we do move on now to the deadly storms across parts of the country tonight severe weather from the rockies to the east coast this weekend tornadoes touching down in southeastern turn wyoming flash flooding stopping cars in their tracks near saint cloud minnesota here's abc's senior meteorologist rob marciano tonight dangerous heat and humidity fueling storms from the rockies to the east coast five reported tornadoes on this holiday including this slow moving but the massive twister jerry across fields in chug water wyoming family taking cover from a hailstorm near denver while mother nature provided the fireworks works in dale city virginia coal after heavy rain swallowing this car flash flooding near saint cloud minnesota waterlogged residents there waiting through water pushing stranded vehicles in straight line winds feeling the roof off this building in monks corners south carolina not far away in georgetown multiple people struck by lightning thursday one person was killed july notoriously the most dangerous month per lightning injuries all right let's get right to robert the forecast hey rob i tell you the heaviest rain in those drugs most near the east coast of the damaging storms with wayne in the west we have severe thunderstorm watch pose a rapid city includes much of colorado including denver that two parts of western kansas through the evening prints kind of kind of dragged across the great lakes and squeezed across ohio valley during the day tomorrow will look for some strong storms in east coast the northeast dc the boston potentially the northeast part of new england the strongest storms late in the day but i heat warning up for parts of a philadelphia it's gonna over one hundred again in places like memphis solution and then we could go yeah we know you'll be following through the weekend okay rob thank you next tonight president trump is trying not to let the supreme court's ruling get in the way of adding that controversial citizenship question to the census the president now says he's considering an executive order to attack on the question even though the forms are already being printed the justice department and now admitting it is still struggling to make its case here's abc's rich scott tonight the white house announcing it still plans to push ahead with including not controversial citizenship question on the twenty twenty census despite the supreme court blocking the administration's efforts president trump says he has options were just dropped the first thing now and maybe just dumb after we get a lot of an executive order today department of justice lawyers told a federal judge they are exploring ways to include the question but they also would knowledge they do not have details on how that might happen forms are already being printed without the question what is dollars and you're not allowed to ask are you a citizen and by the way if you look at the history of our country it's almost always good at what americans haven't been asking about citizenship on the census in nearly seventy years appropriation yet the census bureau itself as the made millions of people mostly minorities might not answer that question in go unaccounted which could affect federal funding in congressional seat before leaving the white house for a weekend in bedminster the president praising his july fourth military celebration gration really rough situation a lot of people are gonna be joining or army navy airforce marines tens of thousands turned out for the show afford an fly over this headscratching remark making headlines lines in june of seventy seventy five the continental congress created a unified army out of their revolutionary forces it ran the ramparts it took over their porch it did everything had a do many taking to twitter one writing we beat the british because they had the connect through atlanta today the president offered an explanation he blamed foles he's teleprompter teleprompter one out as you're going on and then it'd be is it just one out there what the foot okay and rachel joins us now from near bedminster new jersey where the president is tonight rachel the president's also made some news about those immigration raids then he had delayed a few weeks ago today he said they might be back on again yes the failure president trump that those deportation raids were on hold but not off the table he's congress in two weeks the final solution but time is now up and he says those rates could start to celia riddles got traveling with the president's frustration i think you now two and urgent manhunt for a road rage suspect in houston authorities say he opened fire on a family's pickup they had fireworks inside two toddlers were severely burned their vehicles going up in flames here's abc's marci gonzales tonight police in texas searching for a gunman who set off this horrific explosion trapping two toddlers and their parents inside their burning vehicle witnesses say this case of road rage started when the family stopped by fireworks the father getting into an argument come in with another man he supposedly cut him off there once that happened in definitely do start shooting investigators say the shooter followed them to this gas station firing as they tried to drive away the incident caught on surveillance one of the rounds struck the fireworks in his vehicle causing the fireworks to explode see in front of badly burning the one and two year old children in the backseat they and their parents pulled out of the car by good samaritans carry on my baby my baby in the mail when you step away from the call 'cause it's gonna blow up products they like to say that today this one fireworks are coming up all four family members are still in a hospital tonight the children in critical condition as police try to find the gunman they believe is driving a light colored ford suv's cecilia such a difficult story okay marcy thank you next tonight the deadly chopra crashed killing seven people in the bahamas the helicopter on its way to fort lauderdale plunging into the ocean thinking to the bottom billionaire coal executive chris klein and his daughter among the victims he's victor kendo it's annoying investigators in the bahamas sifting through these underwater wreckage of the helicopter crash that killed seven americans including west virginia junior billionaire chris klein the men dubbed the king of coal in his group took off from big grinky cofer fort lauderdale around two am thursday because of a medical emergency the helicopter reported missing just before three pm residents have grandkids hours later discovering the downed aircraft overturned in sixteen feet of water its tail end rotors gone because the wreckage was found in shallow water mishap investigators should have a pretty good idea of what went wrong founded one of the nation's top full companies and donated one million dollars to president trump's two thousand seventeen inauguration two other men and for women were on board with him including a daughter cameron and three of her friends declined family releasing a statement saying chris was one of west virginia janea strongest sons and american original full of great integrity intelligence and humor adding or sister cameron was a bright light obey me and salvage team is working on recovering the helicopter before transporting it here in florida for inspection do they would have been crews glowing sixty first birthday suit okay victor thank you and there is a new headline tonight about the economy you as adding two hundred and twenty four thousand new jobs last month beating expectations unemployment picking up to three point seven percent and an overseas tonight that comeback at wimbledon fifteen year old american sensation cocoa golf taking on slovenia's pullover hurts og becoming a big star there on center court kogo one point away from being eliminated in the second set digging in with sheer determination and that's when things got serious here's abc's ian panel don't boom wimbledon combined could be american teenager facing the biggest test yet in a marriage some battle polluted soak oblivion you would feel under pressure coming from behind to deprive him with the way i'm there were cheering by the time the restroom in delray beach florida kuku says evidence that helps it defeats venus williams much change in the mattress you reaching out to some but beyond say's mom posted me on instagram and i was like screaming i hope we obviously saw that 'cause i would love to go to a concert i got through the money she's winning i mean i can't buy a car 'cause i can't try so we will do you start to just two fifty new rules google so another stunning victory but after today is that when he gets hotter next up is last year french open champion but anything now seems possible for google even perhaps of beyond say concert even panel thank you and you could watch wimbledon coverage on e s p n n there is still much more head on world news tonight this friday emergency landing from across the atlantic lightning what sparked the fire on board listen written summary just announced in connection with the murder utah college students what's really just that andled while out across the board busy highway lanes it was all caught on camera we will tell how it is when we come back when it comes to hiring you don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast that's why you need indeed dot com post a job in minutes set up screener questions zero in on qualified candidates using an intuitive online dashboard and when you need to hire fast accelerate your results with sponsor jobs new users can try for free at indeed dot com slash tonight that's indeed dot com slash tonight terms conditions and quality standards apply better help offers licensed professional counselor specialized in a wide array of issues like depression anxiety in grief connect with your professional counselor in a safe private online environment it's a truly affordable option and listeners can get ten percent off your first month by going to better help dot com slash tonight fill out a questionnaire to help them assess your needs and get matched with a counselor you'll love and we're back now with emergency landing a fire breaking out on board a virgin atlantic flight heading for london abc's senior transportation correspondent david curly latest on the investigation boston firefighters scrambling onto the just landed jetliner the virgin lennox flight out of jfk that smoke in the cabin south actually be bell that everyone noticed first corey tanner one of the two hundred seventeen passengers headed to london is definitely concerning we had no idea what it was at a at a time though those firefighters according to the state sound this eight charred seat and the melted remains of external battery charger they say caused the fire fire fire the flight crew is able to put out that fact is the main reason the lithium ion batteries are not allowed in large numbers in the cargo hold because there is no one to put out that fire the passenger we spoke with was not happy with the way virgin atlantic handled the situation airlines says safety is a top priority at offered rooms of the passengers who were booked to london today cecilia edge or index now starting with new developments in the murder of a utah college students police today saying they recovered mackenzie lou x remains in a canyon officials say they hope the discovery will bring bring closure to her family lewis had been missing in salt lake city area for nearly two weeks before police arrested her suspected killer last week and the nantucket busboy accusing actor kevin spacey of groping has dropped his civil lawsuit against the actor he accuser at his attorney giving no reason for the move spacey's defense team says there may be evidence on the accuser cell phone that could exonerate reactor there and that it hasn't been turned over yet the criminal case against spacey expected to continue with a hearing scheduled for monday spacey denies these allegations in a close call caught on a driver's dash cam on a utah highway that's subaru outback back who just narrowly missing the car doing the filming sliding across four lanes of busy traffic out of control right before before writing itself the wild maneuver caught on i eighty in park city no injuries reported an it's a hot summer days so here's a way to cool off yeah that's a mama bear taking a dip in a backyard pool in southern california homeowners spotting reaction in this neighborhood north of santa clarita her cub right there with her an they felt at home they hung around four hours where's it seems they were looking for lunch inside some of those trash cans finally tonight the miracle survivor once again beating the odds of beaming smile from page winter showing off her new prosthetic leg wearing those rainbow glitter shoes family and friends all there to welcome her home tonight the seventeen year old is out of the hospital a full month after she went in following that shark attack while she was swimming out of north carolina beach beans deepest i got waist deep and then i got pulled underwater sharp pulling page under reaching down underwater and i tried to pry it off of me her dad coming to the rescue fighting sharp until it released page fishy awaken and breathing a if she is she's barely she's a bad shape permitted her legs all let's go her hands badly injured doctors forced to amputate her left leg but despite it all page told are robin roberts she wasn't giving up on me okay i'm gonna do all that stuff again it's okay sharpton torture spirit it did not end that it's the support of her friends and family have made her stronger me almost you know like it makes me it makes me feel positive and upbeat and move forward in my healing and now page is dancing again celebrating how far she's come in where she's about to go all right and i can't already walk like this and then there's no telling how

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Full Episode: Thursday, April 11, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

00:00 sec | 2 years ago

Full Episode: Thursday, April 11, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight. Like the dramatic arrests seen around the world. Julian Assange taken into custody pulled from the Ecuadorian embassy in the UK shackled and shouting his long beard evicted after seven years, the US charging him and the president who said I love WikiLeaks asked today. Does he still love them? There is a monster. Blizzard storm system raging tonight in the US eighteen states more than two feet of snow in some places thousands of flights canceled tractor trailers jack-knifing flipping over that system, then moved into Chicago and the northeast New York City, rob Marciano standing by the time without the studying revealed tonight, the arson arrest after three black churches or burned down. The suspect is the son of a local sheriff's deputy charges against the lawyer who took on President Trump Michael avenue accused of stealing millions from his own clients. Authorities say among them a pair police emotional. This conference today the MSU student coming forward describing what she said former members of the basketball team did to her see American couple missing in the mountains using what's called a life straw to filter parasites out of the water to survive how they were discovered and Alexa. Can you hear me tonight? The Amazon employees who told Bloomberg their jobless to listen to many of you at home, and what you asked Alexa for at. What else they heard in the process? They were alarmed this is ABC news tonight with David Muir. Good evening. It's great to have you with us here at a Thursday night. And we begin with that dramatic arrest in London. Julian Assange wanted man in the United States pulled out of the Ecuadorian embassy to finally holed up in that embassy in London for nearly seven years often speaking from that window right there, but today as starkly different image shackled and dragged out of the embassy his long beard. He was shouting and soon taken before a judge will he now be extradited to the US ABC's David ROY lead us off from London until today. Julian Assange was untouchable, but this morning British police dragged him out of the Ecuadorian embassy, bearded, disheveled and shouting. Ecuadorian government invited the British in after seven years. Assange had overstayed his welcome. Arriving at the courthouse. He was defiant giving his supporters thumbs up the judge called Assange a narcissist to cannot get beyond his own selfish interests, Ecuadorian officials describe him as a sort of houseguests from hell who behaved badly and lived in squalor American authorities have been gunning for him for nearly a decade ever since WikiLeaks. First published a trove of classified material from the US military, including this video of a US Apache strike on suspected Iraqi insurgents that killed civilians as well. It was stolen by Chelsea Manning. A former American soldier the US indictment accuses Assange of helping manning hacked defense department computers. Assange lawyer today tried to make the case that he's a journalist is president means that any journalist can be extradited for prosecution the United States to having published. Truthful information about the United States. Today's indictment does not mention WikiLeaks role in the two thousand sixteen election publishing thousands of emails that Russian hackers stole from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman and the Democratic National Committee Wiki leaks. I love WikiLeaks in the weeks before the election. President Trump mentioned WikiLeaks nearly one hundred forty times this WikiLeaks is like your treasure Trump well of reading those WikiLeaks so today in the Oval Office ABC's. Karen Travers asked him. I know nothing about WikiLeaks. It's not my thing. And I know there is something having to do with Julian Assange, I know nothing really about him. It's not my it's not my deal in life. President Trump just today. So let's bring in David White from London tonight. David US now wants Assange extradited back here to the US to face trial. What are the next steps? Well, he's scheduled for his next court appearance may second David that's in three weeks time. His lawyers have made it clear that they want to fight extradition. They have several avenues open to them. Bottom line. This could take months or even years, David David Wright leading us off tonight. David thank you back here at home tonight into that monster blizzard hammering the center of the country right now turning deadly tonight. The storm raging across eighteen states, and then the system moving east, Chicago and the northeast will feel this treacherous driving on the roads in Monticello. Minnesota look at that snow piling up from the slow moving storm in rice lake Wisconsin tonight. In fact, tens of thousands are without power tonight, thousands of flights canceled and the images are really something. ABC's Alex presents Saint Cloud. Minnesota force. Tonight in Minnesota treacherous blizzard conditions with pounding HALE in neighboring Wisconsin wind and heavy snow slamming towns this monster record breaking storm pummeling the midwest and turning deadly tonight. One person killed in a crash near the Denver airport. Also in Colorado, a state trooper was injured when his car was hit by another driver on the ground and Indiana where chaos thousands of flights grounded or delayed in the last twenty four hours this as whole communities are in the dark tonight downed power lines there on the left about twenty five thousand without power and Minnesota shaky power lines amid the roughly forty five hundred power outages in South Dakota, some interstates shutdown many are still trying to reopen. The sheriff's department in South Dakota with this warning. Just looks awful Alex Perez from Saint Cloud, Minnesota tonight, whether under a blizzard warning through tomorrow and Alexander you were telling us they plan to work through the night to clear the road state patrols even the national guard standing by tonight. Yeah. David the snow is a pilot up crews working around the clock to try to keep those roads clears already more than five hundred crashes reported across a Minnesota officials here saying they're doing whatever they can to keep things moving, but it's going to be a long night ahead. David Ardell or thanks to you. Let's get right to senior meteorologist, rob Marciano. Tracking. It all for us as this. Now moves east. Hey, rob. Hi, dave. It's such an expansive storm wins over one hundred miles per hour over to feed ourselves so powerful for mid April mcginnis, we've got wind alerts into the deep south winter storm warnings blizzard warnings touching into Canada. And it's moving painfully slow the lowest yet to get out of Nebraska. So maybe foot of snow north of west of they're going to be a miserable night in Minneapolis with sleet, snow and wind and then strong storms head of this in the warm sector Cincinnati in the morning, Indianapolis getting into Cleveland and Pittsburgh in the afternoon in that line of storms gets into the big I ninety five northeast cities by tomorrow night on a very pleasant. Wait. To start a mid spring weekend. David. No, it's not, but we'll see tomorrow night. Rob. Thank you. We turn now to the arrest tonight. After a string of fires that destroyed several churches with African American congregations three historic churches were destroyed in just ten days. A twenty one year old man is now in custody tonight and charged with arson, and it turns out he is the son of a local sheriff's deputy who was stunned but who helped authorities prepare for the arrest. ABC's Stevenson Samis in Saint Landry parish tonight. Twenty one year old Holden Matthews is being held without bond. Tonight. Police say that it's father's Saint Landry parish sheriff's deputy broke down into tears when he learned it was his son accused of burning three black churches here to the ground old and father is employee of my fine, man. He was shocked in hurt at any fall would be the clue that led federal and state investigators to the deputy son was a red gas can found at the third fire on April fourth. A huge on. Authorities trace that can to a local WalMart and say that receipts and surveillance video show Matthews buying the tools he needed to start the fires. They say surveillance video shows him driving. His father's gold pickup truck at each location at the second fire here at greater union Baptist. He seemed coming back to watch as firefighters risked their lives. We are better than this. And this is a reflection of one depraved individual on his Facebook page. Police found that Matthews is a fan of black metal aversion of heavy metal where the bands are often anti-christian and sometimes Neo Nazi. We saw an immediate threat to public safety. We felt that other crimes were imminent. The pastor. At Mount Pleasant says the arrest is heaven sent elated. I'm having good. I think I'll be able to sleep tonight and Stevenson Saami joins us live thirties are still working to determine a motive. I know Steve. But revealing the suspect's father that sheriff's deputy as you reported there did help with the arrest. Of his son. That's right. David the deputy worked with his boss to get his son out of the home. So that they could make the arrest without hurting hurting anyone else inside the home. He has not yet entered a plea in this case at this time, I'm standing in the middle of what's left of the first church. These accused of burning down it's nearly one hundred and fifty years old and they're promising to rebuild David Stoffel. All right, Steve Olson Saami tonight. Thank you. There are sweeping new charges against the lawyer who took on President Trump. Michael avenue tonight is now accused of stealing millions from his own clients, including stealing from afford million dollar settlement. He helped win for a pair policeman. Authorities say using stolen money to buy real estate and by this private jet right there that federal agents have now ceased tonight ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt gut been. Michael ebanon famously crowed that he won millions for his clients tonight. Prosecutors are saying that for several of those clients what he won he mostly pocketed Mr. ATI received money on behalf of clients and simply took the money to finance his businesses and his personal expenses. A federal grand jury indicting. The flashy Elliott early on thirty six counts of fraud, perjury and failing to pay taxes. The types of crimes he so often accused President Trump of committing avenue is now accused of stealing millions from his clients to finance a luxury lifestyle that included a chain of coffeeshops, which he advertised on his race car suit, a big home even a jet which prosecutors say he used client money to buy Mr. naughty allegedly took nearly all that money and used it to pay for his portion of a private jet. A jet. Incidentally that we seized yesterday. There is being towed away from southern California airport. It is lawyer one on one you do not steal your clients money one of the alleged victims. Jeffrey Johnson is a paraplegic. Prosecutors say of nutty drained almost all of the four million dollars. He got in a settlement from LA county giving Johnson only money for rent at an assisted living facility tonight. The man's lawyer saying of noughties actions have left Mr. Johnson, destitute Evans, who is already facing extortion charges in New York has been characteristically defined denying all of the allegations. I will be fully exonerated and Justice will be done. Thank you, Matt govern with us live tonight outside federal court. And Matt Michael Evans is now facing the second wave of charges tonight. If convicted what kind of prison time could he fakes? An enormous amount. David if convicted on all of those charges, he faces a combined maximum of nearly four hundred years that is a life sentence tonight. We are told that the prosecutor's office is aware of additional victims. And it's possible. We might see additional indictments tonight of ninety weighing in again saying he denies all of the allegations. And saying he's innocent David Matt up in with us live tonight. Matt thank you next tonight to the huge outpouring in Los Angeles for slain rap star and activists, nipsy hustle. What's being called a celebration of life is now taking place in the staple center? Thousands turning out to pay respects an outspoken advocate for ending gang violence. He was shot and killed in front of his clothing store. President Obama paying tribute in a letter writing nipsy saw potential he saw hope his family tonight describing him as a superhero saying he made the world proud. We turn next here to California the couple missing for days in the mountains. Footprints were the first clues to get to them. And then a nighttime fire. Seen from the sky leading to the rescue and the so called life straw. They used to filter out parasites from the water to survive. Here's ABC's wheel car. Tonight. A first look at the harrowing helicopter rescue of two hiker stuck in pitch black perilous conditions. Rescuers spotted fire sparked by the hikers who've been lost almost five days. Mazing leap both were in good condition. But we're stuck between two waterfalls a wanted. The most dangerous mountains in the United States, which lost the trail. Eric splinter? A former national guardsmen who served in Afghanistan and Gabrielle Wallace set out for a day hike last Saturday tried to descend through. But van valley was more treacherous than we thought. These are experienced hikers. But this is rough rugged terrain where one wrong turn can prove fatal for days. Search teams scoured nineteen thousand acres finally finding footprints both hikers were airlifted to safety and reunited with their family. We're very grateful to be found to survive the hiker said they ration their food. They also use what's called a straw. You. Stick this in water and the wilderness a removes both parasites and bacteria. David would just glad to have been found. All right. We'll thank you tonight, a White House counsel from the Obama administration is now facing criminal charges that came out of the Muller investigation. A grand jury is now indicted, Greg Craig for alleged violations of foreign lobbying laws for his work in Ukraine Craig in private practice in twenty ten denies the charges. There is still much more head on world news tonight this Thursday, emotional news conference we witnessed today, the MSU student coming forward the young woman describing what she said former members of the basketball team. Did to her the new report tonight raising concerns about Amazon five ac-, and if you have been Alexa, you wanna pay attention employees saying their job was to listen to many of you at home, and what you asked Alexa for. But what else they heard the process in alarmed them? Also the moment at a public hearing making headlines tonight, Brad Pitt and the county supervisor who had to cut him off more news ahead. Wrap it up. When it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. 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According to a new report by Bloomberg some Amazon employees may be listening to tonight, Bloomberg reports that thousands of workers from around the world, listen review, and transcribe your voice commands, comparing what you say to what Alexis algorithm thinks you said in an effort to according to Amazon improve the customer experience in the Bloomberg report workers revealed that they inadvertently sometimes overheard background and possibly criminal activity, including on at least one occasion, a potential sexual assault. Wreksa drop in Charlie. Amazon tells ABC news audio is not stored unless it has been triggered by the wake word, and at that time the light at the top of the device turns blue of that audio an extremely small number of interactions from a random set of customers are annotated. They said and all information is treated with high confidentiality. And John wants to reassure people tonight that employees do not have direct access to information that can identify the person or account, and that users can disable access and delete their voice recordings at any time. David we often ex Alexa, define you. Thank you. Lindsey to index of other news Michigan State University. Student coming forward senior Bailey Kowalski's suing the school after allegedly being raped by three former members of the men's basketball team in two thousand fifteen she claims school counselors warned her that if she reported the attacks should be quote swimming, with some really big fish. Keyboard to be treated with the dignity and respect regardless of their status or the revenue they bring to the university. They want other survivors to know that they matter Wolski has not named the players embassy wants the suit tossed out saying the alleged attack happened off campus. There was news tonight about empire actor Jesse Spolete. Cagua officials and now suing smell claiming he owes the city more than one hundred thirty thousand dollars to cover the cost of police overtime to investigate that alleged hate crime to police say did not happen. Nasa studied tonight, comparing twin astronaut Scott and Mark Kelly and revealing that the effects of spaceflight do occur on the human body. Researchers say after spending nearly a year in orbit Scott Kelly's DNA mutated in some cells and his cognitive test. Scores dropped NASA says this will not affect though future long term space missions. And it's not just Hollywood directors yelling cut. Actor Brad Pitt speaking at a public hearing requesting more funding and improvements for the Los Angeles County museum, then getting cut off when he ran out of time. Just can't say enough about him. I see my time. It gives me great pain to say round, Mr. pet. 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Can I share the peeing story?

Misfit Stars

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Can I share the peeing story?

"Welcome to the misfit stars podcast. I'm Shannon Curtis. I am Jamie hill. Welcome everybody to episode twenty four and hi, Shannon. Hi, teen. Are you doing great? How are you? Good. Having a lovely day with you so far beautiful day. It's a gorgeous day outside. It's gorgeous inside just been a nice day. So far, a we had a wonderful coffee with our fiery, very mad, west coast. Mom, no. I have a less coast. Mom, you have to just your language. She's in civic, north Westmont. That's right. Well, she calls herself our west coast mom because she thinks you're also from the east coast. See forget sometimes. She's a she's our bonus. Mom. She's amazing. Our realtor turned Pacific northwest. It's great. She is salty and mad, and she has his amazing knack for seeing something totally off color in a quiet moment a coffee shop. Like seventy four years old. So no one can say anything about if she can do whatever the heck she wants to do. And she does. About it. He's totally self aware about this. He'll just say the nasty shit. And then all of a sudden kinda smirks she. Well, she is aware. She's definitely wear. So welcome to listeners to this beautiful day that we're having fun in so far. And this is the twenty four episode of our podcast misfits. Dr just remarkable twenty four episodes. Cow nifty. I would like to welcome our new listeners and thank our new supporters that we've been having a steady influx of new supporters this week sort of because of I think our fundraiser writing people because there's a little message there if you make a contribution that says, hey, if you want to do another little thing, then you can also do this and people have been doing it. So great, thanks listeners. We hope it doesn't let you down too much. Just the two of us talking. You know, you know, what you're gonna get going to be fast paced is going to be silly. But also Ernest. Oh, yes, definitely heartfelt sincere. Definitely mostly always this podcast is public episode. And as such as brought to you by our misfit stars supporting members, the ones that just mentioned they're the ones who by contributing financially to this podcast insure its continued success. Thank you so much supporting members. And if you're listening to it, and you're not a supporting member, it's by the good graces of these people that you're able to do that so to and you might wanna pay afford to somebody else by becoming supporting now, I see how you did that good really good turn around. Yeah. Yeah. So you can become supporting member by going to the online home of our podcast misfit stars dot com and you'll see on the front page. There are two big pink buttons the second of which says unlock all episodes. And that is the place that you go to become a supporting member you click that button. And it'll take you to the spot where you can sign up and the cool thing is. Is that you will at that point. Then unlock all the previous episodes that were previously locked to you and billable only exclusively to our misfits. Dr. There are some good ones. If you're a binge. That's a good thing to do. It'll also unlock your access to our hidden secret. Facebook group that's exclusively for misfits stars members. And we we've nurtured a really cool thing in there. It's just become this place. Where people understand it's a smaller group of very small self selecting group of people who have an intentionally about how they move through the world, and they want to space in which they can share those kind of things with other people who are similar minds. Yeah. I would say it's more accurate said that the people in the group have nurtured an a a really need. They're like people that contributions folks are making. It's just so lovely to see people that don't know each other in person, but are connected through this podcast. Being involved in one another's lives from a distance. It's pretty neat. It's pretty cool and attention because like there's definitely some people who are like. Yeah. That doesn't sound like that's for me. That sounds stupid. If that's you get that. It's not for everybody. But if you're the sort of person for whom that's like that sounds wonderful. How can I do that? You just become a supporting member of the podcast, and then you'll become also part of our sort of little there. Thank you. So it's fundraiser time it's the ninetieth week of our fundraiser. The third week. It's the last the last couple days everyday feels like a year with a fundraiser. It feels like I can remember when we started. Version of it was it wasn't even three weeks ago. Yeah. But when this podcast comes out there will only be like a two days left in the fundraiser ends Thursday night at midnight or eleven fifty nine PM Pacific time. But it's going great. We just hit thirteen grand. Which is awesome. We're cruising toward goal four. Which is great because Gulf war is where we get to pay it forward to another younger artist. We'll we'll invite them into our home, and we will make a record a world-class owning record for them a debut album at no cost to them as a way of helping kick start their career. So hopefully, we got there. Yeah. Because it's your time. We're doing shortened podcast. So this one like the last two that we did is just going to be a smaller one because we're putting so much energy every single night into our brick and live broadcasts. I've yeah, we did a Jamie okay marathon. Ooh, that's a phrase. We didn't we had other names for we called it the Jimmy Okey bonanza, Jamie oak extravaganza. Jim yoki Obama, Jay. Jamie. Okay. Rama and Jamie oak Thon. But whether you say marathon, it's just a longer version of Jamie yoki youth on. Oh, yeah. I guess it probably does. Yeah. I had never really thought about that before telethon, but that's probably tell telephone marathon. Wow. My mind is blown. Yes. We did the, Jamie. Okay. On last night. It was pretty fun. Oh, yeah. Shit. Show was great. My favorite was my favorite was the talking heads song that you did. Because I thought you had to do the baseline olive by someone's request for you too baby shark. Pretty great. I kept modulating up. And I kept going faster. It was dancing. It was. It was something. Yeah. Ten people shared that video. And I just have to wonder to myself what's wrong with that. What kind of deranged mind is like, this is something might people would appreciate you are not sure what we're talking about, Jamie. Okay. Is this thing that we do where when people usually it's when people contribute to our fundraiser at a level of one hundred dollars or more during our live not than James. We'll sing a song on their request. They do it on air. They can choose a song. And I'll just butcher it. Last night was the Jamie aqui on where we opened up the opportunity for all contribution levels. And so it was a free for all. We did like I don't know eleven Jamie oak or something like that all kinds of stuff. It was funny. This notes killers. That's right. My baby Shaq and baby Shaq was really the cannon. So if you're hearing this before the end of the fundraiser, and you have not yet supported our album project. You could do that Shannon, Curtis dot net. There's a place to choose what level will you want to support this album project fundraiser. Cd Putera t shirt, there's a level for your name in the liner note. If you're rich there's a five thousand dollar level if you're poor ten dollars. Yeah. And everything counts. Everything matters. No matter how big or how small so thank you for those of you who've already contributed and thank you, those of you who are feeling motivated to go to that right now, if you are hearing, the sound of my voice, and you have not yet contributed to our album fundraiser, please do that. Thank you so much. Thank you. So what else? Oh, man. What else we get into this? We went to court again. We did go to court says says so funny, we we met some someone of our neighbors parents were at court with them the other day, and then I subsequently had an interaction with the mom on Facebook. And I'm like, oh the court day and her daughter was like that sound really like what was the word trash trash. Tomorrow trashy court friend. And as I was typing those words thought the same thing. This sounds really weird. Like, I met you at court what I had a meth lab the blew up bar in for a DUI on court. It was so nice. It's been a long term friendships soulmates. In court because of this neighborhood shenanigans that are still ongoing, although I felt like the court the court proceedings seemed to be potentially going in our favor. We'll see the judge is going to issue his decision on the summary request for summary, judgment any minute. Now could be getting a notification anytime he's going to do in writing this week. He was sort of theoretically supposed to do in that moment in the court. But I think because it was such a passionate thing. He did this mart thing and delayed. Yeah. So it wouldn't have more. We were all there twenty five of us there. No. Well, and I think that I don't know one of one of the reasons why thought things were going our way was because the previous time it went to court the other time if you weeks ago, the the other side's lawyer literally phoned it in like he was on the phone making his case, and then this time because like that's what that's a standard thing. Like, everyone of the court clearly seemed to be like they had a thing for. Yes. Yes, normal. But this time he showed up in person. And he brought his dad so true and another lawyer that was representing another related party. So they had like three layers deep. They think they all need realized they needed to show up in a big way because they were not doing well in our case your dad, I think that lawyer dad really kind of felt like he was going to come in and to save the day by being an old loud voice, white, man. I mean, I certainly like the tacky took for sure. And it didn't seem like it went amazingly. Well for them. He had hid baritone like radio voice. He should start a podcast. He should. If you're listening, developers lawyer, dad know, maybe radio be better medium for him. They really do think that the judge seemed to seemed to and it's hard to tell it's mainly. He was he was doing a very good job. I think of like actually not giving away. What his position was. I think he was doing a really good job of appearing fair being of being he was probing wealth is very rigorous. That's a much better of saying. But the my favorite part of the whole proceeding was so there was a lawyer who filed a motion to intervene on our sides behalf. Just kind of a friend of the neighborhood is a retired lawyer and who's been following the case and had some points. He wanted to make in support of the neighborhood. I thought I did a great job. But at one point this this this intervening lawyer made some comment about how the developers had been had in their ignorance the failed to acknowledge the covenant before spending all their money, and that's not that's not the neighborhoods problem. But when he when he said in open court that call those guys ignorant several of us from the galley, or whatever you call it like the neighbors that were assembled snickered. I definitely I was definitely like I did more of a snort. I was. Yeah. I there was some giggles and the judge did too. It was awesome. Like really composed in very impotent listener and like three part of me. That's just wondering if you just did that because it was just sort of like empathetic mimicry. But but it was funny. He's controlled enough. Also that I don't think so he broke character. It was great. Good one. Yeah. So we will see how that I'll shakes out. I feel really badly for our neighbors who so those of you have been following this know that some of our neighbors were sued by developers the court the court, right? And that we are actually on Jamie, and I are on the docket for being sued next. Like the into the lawsuit documents. We just haven't been served, right? So, you know, those the neighbors who who are first in the first wave of being sued have spent loads of money to defend this. And you know, this is a working class neighborhood. This is not a neighborhood that has lawyer money. And that's I think that's the thing. That's really bothering me the most this week about it is just that the actual financial cost burden that it's placed on people who just don't have room in their lives for this kind of financial burden. It's just unfair. And I just I feel like it's hard not to be. Feel discouraged that like stuff goes the way of those with deep pockets so often as it's ever been. No. But this is the first hand, and I really hope that this is a case where it doesn't go that way. But even if it even if this goes our way, it's still will have cost, you know, a lot of people out of money that that they don't have, you know. So it's just I don't know we we might be able to help the more to like we've already done one concert as a fundraiser that helped her as a couple thousand bucks for this effort for that. Maybe afraid more later. Because we're going to be coming back through here on tour, and we'll have all the momentum of tour behind us. Maybe we can do like a neighborhood thing. That would be sweet if they want us to do that. I would I would I would love to know. It's going to be a great show. There's going to be about optimism. That's right. What else I spent the whole weekend doing some recording? We have somebody other than me to clarify. I'm always recording. But usually, Shannon, and it was great. It's my dear friend, Aaron mcquaid, and he's a dear friend because of music like a friend prior to mixing his first record, right which I did like four years ago five years ago. I don't remember it was long twenty twelve maybe like seven years ago. Yeah. And we just nurtured a friendships in Sony's absolutely wonderful and we've been working on his new record. We started it in late two thousand seventeen but then Shan, I did this whole like moving thing, and it kind of took twenty eighteen off the map. And so he came up this last weekend for a continuation of the record. And we were so productive, and he has such a fertile mind. And so many musical ideas. And I'm this way too. Like, I'm just an idea minute. And you know, and as a producer like it's never my album that I'm working on. So my ideas are kind of like, you know, I'll throw him out there. And if the artist lake some great, if the artist doesn't like them, also, great, my point is to keep the thing moving and keep and keep it fresh, and just, you know, create a safe space and encouraging space for experimentation and play, you know, but man, he's like that too. And it's just great. I mean, the idea's flying, and my ideas tend to come from his ideas harmonica. Speaking have a lot more seconds and six and nights. There's a lot more kind of like jazz and show tunes and blues and Americana and stuff like that. And he writes in like odd meters. And he's he is probably one of the most musically. Intelligent people. I know musically literate. Yeah. Highly musically literate. Yeah. It's just an his brain works in just amazing ways. Your styles really do complement each other. You come from you, come with different ideas. But the. They're complementary in you guys. It was fun to sort of be a flan the wall and watch you to work a little bit because like you really very easily feed off of one another so true. It's it was really neat to sort of fun for me too. Because his ideas, he'll oftentimes have big bold of guard, ideas involve dramatic and complicated edits or automated or like not just like a simple liquid. If we had an electric piano here. It's like what if all of the music stopped and change into this and sound like it was coming from there for two bars, and it comes back out with Tiffany and a gun. Right. And like, I'm fast as hell. I can execute those idea three minutes, which I think is probably really exciting for him because it can go from his brain his weird amazing music brain to Syria. We can listen to in like five minutes, and it's fun for me too. Because every time he has something like that's like weird challenge. Yeah. Okay. Cool. How do I do that figure it out? You know, it's like it's like some weird reality show, where it's a time thing, you know, it's like a cooking show, but for music, can you do it Tiffany gung acoustic breakdown? Get chopped. I didn't get chopped I'm pleased to report. So yet his band is called anchor Sanz. He is it's a band with him and his friend who lives on the east coast longer move to Minnesota. Oh, another coast entirely coast to coast. On the shore of Illinois. So anyway, there are long distance Bandon. So anyway, music sounds great. It's anchor sans. Third album coming out sometime record. I did with them is called. This is your adventure to I would highly recommend listening to it's just it's very literate ambitious. Indie rock is a good way to describe it. Yeah. So when you were down here in the studio doing errands stuff this weekend, I devoted me and opportunity to get up. Stairs and continue songwriting because I'm yes, I'm still songwriting for this record. That's still happening. That's that's par for the course. Yeah. I feel like there's part of me that wants to feel a little panicked about how late in the game actually writing songs, but I understand. That's not a useful emotion right now. Also, I've been really trying to sort of embrace this idea of abundance in my life. And when I say that it's not just like financially speaking, it's also, you know, there's always there's always this temptation as an artist creator to think that like, maybe your ideas have run dry. Maybe you're never gonna have another good song idea again. And I've learned that that's the same sort of monster voice that that creeps in and tries to like make my scarcity flare up, you know. And so I've learned to just like, I know I can go upstairs, and I got ideas, I can sit down and make a song this thing. I can do I've well trained for it. I I don't have to buy into the what if I'm never going to be able to write again or what if I can't right? You know, something by the ten this record needs to be done. Or like, those are those are not useful. So I got to some writing. It was wonderful. Yeah. I was enjoying the things that I heard drifting down the stairs last night. She had to write quietly for verse Saturday and Sunday because we were doing recording down here. You couldn't just be singing upstairs. There's a there's a separation sonically. It's not one hundred percents. Right. So she was very quietly, but then less today, she was able to sing full-throatedly record a bunch of the stuff. She's been writing Senate cool into here. Cool. I always hear this stuff. Like only the voice because the keyboard is coming through her head parts coming through ahead. All here is your voice. So I'd never have any foundation for these melodies I here, and as always different than I think is going to be which is cool fun for my yesterday. I was working on mix is really hard core for a six of the previous seven. There's this one song that just doesn't have enough production yet to really be working on mixes. But the other six I went through twice each last as and I'm I think I made a lot of progress. I don't think any of them is probably a hundred percent done. But I think a bunch of them went from like sixty five percent. Ninety five there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's very exciting. And resolve some issues some energy flow energy management issues. I think that everything's feeling really encouraging. This is gonna be a good record. I'm excited about it. Yeah. I think it's gonna be. Yeah. It'll every every record has its own personality. And so I I'm really eager to to get to the point where we can hear all these songs together as a collection. It's going to be really fun. I think so too. Yeah. So today's special day today is a special day today is the thirteenth anniversary of the day. We met each other. It's so fun. Facebook reminded me this morning because apparently I posted something about it last year the face memories popped up. And and I'm like, oh my gosh. It's April thirtieth. Yeah. So we were thinking that it would be fun to sort of like walk down memory lane a little bit and talk about the very kind of unusual circumstances under which we met. Yeah. And maybe a little bit about what was going on our lives at that time. And yeah. But this intersection meant at that. Moment. And do you wanna talk a little bit? I why don't you start by talking about like what was your life looking at that time. Okay. Go for it. Yeah. So I this is thirteen years ago. So as two thousand six I was recently, divorced. And had been living with my friend, Michelle for like nine months, or so at that point, probably who had very graciously invited me into her home to live with her while I tried to figure out what the heck was going to happen in my life. And she really did prior to living with Michelle was for a couple of months living in a garage apartment and working as a substitute teacher and continued working substitute teacher. And I was in had been in a band for a number of years, my band paradigm, may I sort of like foray into making music and serious way. Also decade for you. Right. It was eight years. I think in total all of a sudden. And and so, yeah, I think one of our stars Gary didn't he recently discover of some paradigm on his ears? Listen to thirty stories high apple music. Yeah. Yeah. So that's pretty fun anyway. So I was in my band, and I had been in the span it was I was the lead singer. And I was in it were all other dudes Vande guitar players was guitar based rock band modern rock alternative. Yeah. I had like pink and blonde hair for a little while into even. Yeah. Sometimes straightened. So yes, it was it was it was a fun band. I really loved being in that in that group. But we we were on a tour, which we had identified as we knew it was going to be our last tour as a band because I had at that point made a decision that I was going to move out of northern California. It was leaving in Sacramento at the time. I was gonna move. To Los Angeles because I just felt a real need after having gone through this divorce and just my a lot of things in my life sort of like turning upside down at that time. I felt this really strong poll to move somewhere where nobody knew me, and I didn't know anyone and I could just figure out how to do life on my own a new place get outta dodge. And like, you know, start again, I really felt a big big craving to lake be able to live by myself had never done that really like STAN my feet that was just something that was really important to me. So it was going to move to Los Angeles. I'd I'd made that decision and also the band was in a transition traditional place also because a couple of the guys in the band. I think all of them were married at the time or partnered at least and a couple of heads started having kids, and it was just becoming more difficult to travel and tours an artist you can't realistically in that kind of situation to sustain that. Yeah. It was tough to be in a band to begin with. And then if you also. I wanna be home a lot with your family is just it's tough to really really keep a music career going in that way. So so the band was in this transition. So I was so this is like the last tour was the final tour. We were going to go on as a band. We did a lot of college shows. And and so we we were setting off on this tour, and that's that's sort of like, maybe a positive point. What was going on your life prior to April thirtieth two dozen six? So I had just sort of really started in earnest my torn career, right? So gotten sober, right? In June of two thousand four and I have been doing sounded a nightclub for the year after that. And then doing sound around San Francisco more generally as I kind of grew. I was doing started getting rapidly better at it. I had been asked to go out on a couple of I sort of smaller tours like I went on a fourteen date tour with his band from Sweden called Anne. Yeah. It was like an artist, but she had a little band with her. And it was a wonderful experience. You're great people. And it's really cool. I wearing experience because it was very not like why subsequently came to understand touring. His actually like. Because it was very friendly and easy and good spirit. And we were traveling in a mini van, and, you know, then I just, you know, immediately sunk in his world of like, you know, stinky, boys drinking too much in advance van and trailer for seven weeks in the wintertime sleeping on people's drafty floors of the sleeping bag in the pad. You know, what I mean, which is still compared to having been homeless two years prior right better? True. So no complaints. I was living the dream is getting paid to travel and do music. So I had done a couple of tours with his band rogue wave in lake late two thousand five right up to the winter break and then in Europe starting in January and then back another US tour twelve weeks total of touring there. And after that I had a little bit of time off. And then I went out on just like a month long, the twenty eight day long tour with this guy from San Francisco named Matt Nathanson who now is very very famous. But at the time, it was pre very very famous like moderately famous in some circles, he was huge on the college. Circuit would be good way to say and had some sort of more limited kind of he had been on a major label, but it hadn't really popped for him. You know, but you know, you build connections, and there's a lot of PR when you're in that kind of situation so his profile had certainly been elevated, and it was mostly paying off in the college markets at that time. So the college shows we would do just like, you know, just rabid eighteen nineteen year old girls and boys to like, he's very wonderful sensitive sweet guy, and he just appeals to people's better angels. I think and so the shows were always really cool. You know, it wasn't like some big rock thing where you like maybe appeal to people for sort of some of the wrong reasons, sometimes share it was just all all his stuff is very hard on the sleeve and very cool. So is a wonderful thing to be part of. Oh, my gosh live show is like stand up comedy. And then it's like has stand up comedy and then half singing, these impossibly sad weepy some it's so good combo. It's great. Because like if the if the storytelling we're all super sad, it might be like too much. But like he's as funding. As funny as a stand up comic know, and then like will. Anyway, here's a song about wine kill literally. But you know, like that like level of back and forth. Great. So so I was traveling with him in April of two thousand six and we were just lake your band was doing a bunch of college shows. But like you'd kind of been coming from the west we have been doing mostly stuff in east. And I think that Minnesota was maybe the furthest west we were getting, and we were we would fly into a region rent card to a few shows, you know, it was just like him to guitars me suitcases and duffel bag of merchandise. Right. Was it? So you could do it really easily with planes on a rental car and just kind of Bob around. Right. The last show that we had scheduled on our trip was to play a college spring fling show at Saint Cloud state university in Saint Cloud, Minnesota. And by a weird coincidence your band paradigm was also booked to play that very same show. Yes. On a college tour as well. Yeah. And you were coming from there west to in college. We were come from the eastern colleges and like our last show coincided with one of your tour stops. Yes. But like we were supposed to meet at all because Saint Cloud state university for those who don't know Hugh gets like twenty five thousand students or something like this the campus. It's a small city and lake Jannine was going to be like on a big rock stage on one end of campus. And Matt we're going to be on lake mopey singer-songwriter stage like on the other end of campus has to be like music festival. You will spring music festival multiple stages all day long, and they separated out kind of genre and stuff. So you wouldn't put the lake acoustic singer songwriter act on the same stage as the rest of the rock band. You know, you separate out the rock people go here. The acoustic people go here and stuff all in the middle reggae stage. And all this stuff, you know, college bring fling things like every every student on the council gets to pick a band, and they're all different. Imagine that you and I because you were a tour mainland and doing front of house for Matt rate. I was sort of like the tour manager for my band for lack of a better organized all the shows and all the stuff, you know. Imagine that you and I got a similar phone. Call the day before the festival, right? The phone call. I got was like, hey, so we're canceling the festival oh crap. First of all, but we're not kindling your band because we're canceling news we're getting tornado warnings tomorrow. We can't have an outdoor festival when there's tornado warnings happening. So we're canceling everybody except for your band paradigm, and except for matinees insane. And we're going to instead of doing outdoor shows. We're going to put you in an indoor auditorium. I assume it would have been tornado safe. I didn't really give it much thought actually at the time. And we're gonna put you on the same stage. It'll just be the two of you. That's it. And I was like. Oh, okay. Well, that's cool. That's great. I we I was me and my band we were all very excited actually because we all knew who Matt was had followed his career sort of on the college circuit news doing real well, and he was doing really well. And we were based in Sacramento Matt was based in San Francisco, and so like we were eighty miles aware of each of who he was just from having been in the region. So like sweets, we're gonna play with Matt Nathanson. Awesome really excited about it. Right. This is this is a very fun. And so for our part, we showed up we were we were going to be the opening act, but we soundcheck first festival. Goes you always go backwards because just leave your stuff on stage. That's not backwards that we were opening act, and we sound I think because your travel schedule maybe, but we sound I we loaded in massive auditorium. And we set up our stuff, and we're doing our our soundcheck. And we're I'm thinking, and I'm sure my bandwidth. We're also thinking like wins wins back in show up like very so fun meeting a rush order. Yeah. Exactly. And so some at some point during our soundcheck two guys walk in from my left and cross across the front of the stage. And I recognize one of them as being Matt Nathanson like oh, sweet Nathanson here, and like, oh, wait who is the cute curly haired guy with Matt nations? And I watched them pass by the front of the stage. And like, okay. Well, that's going to maybe have to meet this person later, and that that was the first time that I saw you. Yeah. And so for my part as I was coming in. I remember I also remember pass in front of the stage. And the first thing I noticed that like usually like when you're doing the college like rock circuit thing, and the college circuit thing in general, it's it can be really hit or miss like some bands are really genuinely amazing bands. Or just the best. They will ever be a college circuit banter. And it's because they're not necessarily that great. And typically if it's not necessarily that great. It's usually because a is not necessarily that. Great. Right. That's who carries the message of the band. And I remember thinking my first impression of you was she could say. Like, she could releasing not just like, oh, she's got a good voice or. Oh, she's she's she's sounds good sort of generally is like no she she was singing her ass. You projected you pushed a lot of air with paradigm. You like really going for the lot seeing higher. Register of your voice. Yeah. It was a bit throaty because you've been doing that a lot and sort of tearing up your vocal chords. Probably. And it was just like, whoa. Who says chick? And I didn't even really notice like how attractive you're at the time. Just because like you're onstage of thing. And maybe turned sideways just doing a sound check thing. And it's just not really like a it's not like a showcase for one's visual appeal accent check it just not really that someone's up on stage. We're probably backlit or something, right? So you know, we had to we we wait it. We dropped off our stuff in the green room. Whatever was serving as a green room like the place with backstage report your stuff, and then we had to sort of set up our merchandise, and then your band had finished sound checking. And so then I had to get mad on stage and soundcheck him and then pretty quickly. It was it was doors open and Showtime. And so. You were going. I was going to help end. So paradigm went I, and I was kind of doing stuff for mad at the time probably doing some computer stuff, and I didn't see much of the sets a little bit of it. But not very much work to do. And so then, you know, they've finished. We got mad up on stage and got him up and going, and when I was doing sound for Matt like, I barely had to do anything because it was just him and an acoustic guitar, so you know, once I got the levels of the two things balanced out, which takes about five seconds. All I really had to do is just kind of sit back and let them go. Right. That was really it. There was nothing for me to do with other bands. Like, I can add a lot when I'm mixing front of house. But like for him like it would be an with my shows. Now, we do a lot of other things like textures and stuff that you are actively involved in. Absolutely. But for more of a folk singer songwriter, it's just not appropriate. It would take away. And so I was just really just kinda standing in front of the soundboard just kinda listening just enjoying the show because he puts on a funny. Great Joe and Shannon approached me. Podcast to know this right? Shannon approached me. I did. And I'm very proud of that. But all of a sudden like up close, my personals based here is just like in crude ably attractive woman. I was like, hi. It was it was it was awesome. It was amazing. Because like like, you weren't my type, really. Yeah. Like, I mean, you're beautiful. I like beautiful, right? But like, Mike, but you, but you were kind of like a like I was more into like like bad girls, or like alternative checks already chicks or whatever. And like, you're you're like squeaky clean and earning. Like you were wearing a lot of hairspray at the time. It's true. Right. And like a whole lot of makeup. You were just in that phase. And it was just like I wasn't usually like really into like, I don't think I'd ever dated or even consider dating with wore hairspray a different world is like a suburban thing. You know what I mean? And I'm like, I'm an urban guy. That's nice. But it's not for me. That's not my world at all, you know. But yet you were just so pretty and just like such a compelling human and within. Well, let me say this before you go any further. Okay. For my part like. Right before I I you had been back in the green room. And I was like working up the Kurds like a really wanna meet the guy who's with Matt who's touring with that. And I had to like convince myself to leave the green room and go find you at the soundboard introduce myself. So I do work if the courage, I'm not the approach the guy kind of person. That's just I mean, I didn't have very much dating experience. Actually that was part of it too. Like, I I was married in my twenties to a guy that I started dating when I was fifteen it was the only person ever dated. And so this whole like being single thing and meeting people that might be interested was so brand new to me, and you had been starting to put yourself out there little bit little with people. But I mean, you you you did not have fifteen years of experience. And maybe like one year, I didn't have much time at all. So I worked with the courage and I walked over. And I, and I I don't even remember how I introduced myself to you or whatever. But I what I remember from that conversation. Is that within the first two minutes of of our conversation. You shared with me that you were recently single and two years sober and almost two years ago, and I just was floored because the next thing out of my mouth was will gosh, I am also recently single, and I've been in a twelve step recovery program for a year. And it was just for those of you. If anyone's listening in recovery like, you know, what a big deal. This is a big deal. It is those I had had come to the point where I in my life and having been in recovery for a year. It did so much for for me. In terms of understanding myself and learning healthy ways to be healthy ways to be a person healthy ways to be relationships. I was just at the cusp of learning so much stuff. And I had come to the point already at that point in my recover them. Like, oh my gosh. Eventually I get to be in a relationship with somebody else. Again, I would really really love for them to have also had the opportunity to do this work themselves because I just I can imagine the sort of relationship that might be possible with two people who've done that kind of introspection and work on themselves. And I was a really destroyed. So when I heard you say that I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. That was the thing to things that made an impression on me in that first meeting that conversation, and your is like if you've met Jamie in person, those of you who are listening, you know, that Jamie can give the most intense look of anyone maybe alive on of land like, but I experienced when we look at you. And he's talking to he's really looking at you. He's really genuinely engaged in present in the moment in a very intense and intentional way. And so when I first experienced that it literally just felt like electric city in and I was just I was mesmerized. It was like it was like a magic trick. Those are my two big impressions from our first meeting. And you know, I had I have a very very specific memory of something feeling kind of electric also. And so we were just kind of standing there talking, and we're we're both we weren't facing each other. Because like I had at least nominally to be doing my job. So I kind of like we like imagine to people facing each other. And then imagine both of them turning eighty percent of the way back out to face toward the floor. So we were kind of towed in toward one hundred twenty degree angles and. At some point like, Shannon, kind of moves when she talks on her feet a little bit, even and. And in some of that Anna may shin lake her and kind of grazed against my hand. And I just like it. It felt like it was so much more than a casual touch. It was like touched me. Oh my gosh. Realize that? Oh, yeah. It was it was like, it was thrilling, and it shouldn't have been thrilling that it was thrilling was like hunt. That's interesting. Interesting. Little mental been thrilling because I was like the hairsprayed made up suburbanite just casually getting bumped by anybody necessarily be thrown at it. It wasn't like you were coyly trying to touch my hand. It wasn't that at all it just you bumped me. Yeah. But I was like oh touch me. So amazing. Well, that's that's all I remember that conversation. But then afterwards. My I wasn't a very good tour man has your parents leave because I had not yet booked us a hotel for that night. That's not typically the way you're supposed to do those things, but I had just slacked. And so I hadn't gotten a hotel. And I think I'd shared that with you at some point. And you like, oh, well, I'll help you get a deal at the hotel. We're staying at great. And it was dinnertime wins the show is over. So we're like how about we all go out to dinner together. And so we went into this restaurant and Saint Cloud, Minnesota, Shannon her band like all six of us. It was wonderful. It was great very fun. It was very it was very fun. But Jamie, and I sat next to each other. And even though I shared a meal with my band mate. Keith he, and I think she had some red curry, and then and then Jamie, and I sat next to each other and talked and then we all went to the hotel afterwards, and we got checked in and all the everybody continued to hang out the whole the whole group was also great we were in the in the lobby of the hotel for while. We would took a spin in the hot tub for a little while just everybody hanging out having a good time, and it was really fun. And then a certain point people started to Peter out and wanna go to bed and. It was like midnight at this point. You had to go up and do some work some accounting work because you're too or was ending last night of tourist make sure the books were in order and all that. And so you had said of point, you know, I have to go, but, you know, come up and say good night, or whatever, I'm not even sure what do you? Remember? Why why did I come here tell room? I don't know if it was over your initiative or you surely with it you had invited me. I wouldn't have just shown up. I wouldn't even know where to go. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think that's what it was like I was because you, and I have been talking a lot and like having a really cool time talking with one another and my memory of the time is just the like I had to do my thing. I'd appeal myself away, and you were busy. But it was like, you know, come say goodnight before you go. Yeah. That's that was the gist so showed that. But then we ended up talking in your hotel room for till three in the morning. Oh, yeah. It was wildly Shannon showed up not long after upstairs, probably like half an hour or something. I starting to do my work or whatever. And then all of a sudden, here's Shannon. And always like we ended up like. Lying on one of the two two Queen beds in this room. One of my had just had my leg suitcase or whatever on, you know. And then the other one was like just like the bed like I had made it or anything like that and gone to bed yet, obviously. So like, we ended up lying like across the lane across the width of it facing each other like not lying in a sexy way. It wasn't like we were lying in bed together. It was just like we were sitting on the bed talking with one another. And then like at a certain point like, you know, like if you're having a long conversation, you just kinda like lean over on your side and properly elbow one of those. But like we I mean, we talked for like two and a half more hours. Yeah. And a lot about recovery stuff. And a lot about books we were reading and movies. We like, and I still remember you telling me about some weird author that you liked that night. Here's one weird thing that happened. This is a funny part of the evening. Can I share the peeing? So there is one point Jamie had to go to the bathroom. And so he excused himself when he went into the bathroom and close the door and all that kind of stuff, and I'm just sitting there waiting, and I can it's a hotel room. So I can hear him peeing in the bathroom, and he starts peeing and then he keeps ping. Any keeps peeing and he keeps me and certain put on like what's going on in there? A guy have because I mean, I'm not kidding you. He peed for over a minute. Like, it was a really long time. I can hold my pee for really really longtime. Some just whatever weird camel. That's. And so like because we have been talking and talking and talking and talking and talking and I didn't wanna get up. It was one of those conversations where you don't want to interrupt it at all like, you just interrupt the moment, so magical, you never want to stop. You don't wanna be the person? But so I probably had to for at least an hour before. I even got up a win. So Finally, I was like I'm so sorry. I have to do this. And I probably should have paid two or three times. Like, but I just did it once it was just so funny. And I don't think we actually talked about that until much much later like a months down the road became, but I just I had it was just a moment of personal like, I was just laughing. And wondering what the heck was happening in there like, but now I understand and it's still true to this day, you'll hold your P forever. And then you'll go just like go on and on and on and on and on. Polian dynamite things like Glick girls like guys who can hold your really longtime. They doubt. That's not actually skills skills. My for three hours. So yes, we talked and talked and talked and you did not touch me one time. No. You know? It's funny. Because of course, it crossed my mind because why wouldn't it because you're gorgeous. And there you were and like we were clearly attracted to one another, you know, but it was one of those things where I knew in that moment, I thought about it. But I was like if I kiss her tonight, I'll probably never see her again. And I didn't want that at all. I didn't want it to be like a tour fling. You know what I mean? So look nothing like that. Like, we just talked and talked and talked and talked and then when it was time to realize that needed to actually go get some sleep walked out and in the hallway you gave me a hug. That I still remember like to this day because it was a full body fucking. Oh, no every time podcast. Shannon needs to mention not use the two times earlier. And I didn't think thinking, oh, hey. That's amazing seriously. Like, it was it was just like this electric full body hook. It was it was just really special and use. And I think that we had we had made made arrangements to. Get back in touch more. Both back in northern California. And I think maybe was it me or you. That says, you know, give me a call. Give me call me back in in California or something. I don't know. It was just. Yeah. And then I left and went to my room and went to sleep and Shannon, continued east on tour, and I went to the airport and flew to Vermont. And yeah. Yeah. And that was thirteen years ago today. Amazing wild. Yeah. Very fun. And the rest is history the very immediate part of that history. Right after that was that you started texting me the following day. And I did not yet have a text plan on my phone because this is thirteen years ago right crap going to bankrupt in texts text plan like that's real they charge you like what a quarter or fifty cents per if you didn't have a plane or it's like you just insanity. And then like after like three days of that of the texting I was like is this ever gonna just call me? And so I finally texted him. Like are you ever going to call me? Note gentle listener, Shannon, didn't call me. She tested me to say, calm, exactly. Because you know, I'm the I'm the traditionalist. That's right. Yeah. Is being lady about it? I did approach you at the end. But then I wanted you to call me. I did it. And so you did. And then we started talking like everyday and part of the at the end of your tour. You went home to see your family. And then after the at the end of that you were attending a wedding of RJ front Alexi, Amy and see what Puerto Rico for the wedding, and you were still calling me from Puerto Rico, and I was back in California by that point, and the really fun like sort of end of this chapter of things is that at one point. I got a message from you. That said, hey, what would you think about instead of me flying back to San Francisco from Puerto Rico I flew to Sacramento dead. Whoa. Okay. I did. And you did and from the airport, and we had our very first date that we never really had a date. We had our first date after having like two weeks of conversations and getting to know each other more, and it was really fun. And for the record. Our first date was going to see the deaf tones. That's right way, the free show in a park in Sacramento, so fun, which was kind of a bad ass was wonderful wonderful. Yeah. So that let us down every. Right on hope. Everyone enjoyed that. The origin story are meet cute are meet cute. Is it meet cute? Acute meet cute cute. Cute. Meat comes later. She's. Come on. Now it no thank you so much. Thanks for joining us on re-lane of are cute me. Meek. You know, we're gonna say that. Movies. Like, that's not gonna do it. Hey people. Thank you for joining us on this little trip down memory lane. It was fun to. So if you have listened all the way through to the end of this. Thank you, so much means so much that you give us your ears. You give your time. That's a big deal to us. If you are listening to this. And you're a supporting member of the podcast. Thank you. If you're not yet, a supporting member, please consider becoming it's like five bucks a month. It's a way to help us sustain what we do. And we appreciate that. You can just go to miss Pitt stars dot com. Click on the second big pink Clinton that says unlock all episodes. It takes you to the place where you sign up. It takes a couple of minutes. It's not a big deal. Thank you so much. Yeah. Very much. We'll be back next week with probably like an actual real episode. Yes, we're just like exhausted overwhelming dislike improvise and other one. On a regular schedule of every other week. They'll be public episodes and every other week, they'll be member exclusive episodes, we're getting back on it very excited about to order. Our new microphones that we're going to be using to record podcast of our on tour this summer. It's going to be set. Mike, we're going to air traffic controllers sitting in our little station wagon on talking into headset. Mic. People are going to like what two according to podcast, obviously, obviously. Yeah. So this is very excited. We are going to be doing the podcast while we're on tour. We're going to be charging ahead. And we're going to have a whole other set of things to talk about what you think is going to be really cool. Hey, there's someone at the door. Let's go guys by. Cenex fake fake.

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Leading from the Roots: Guest  Dr. Kathleen Allen

James Miller | Lifeology

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Leading from the Roots: Guest Dr. Kathleen Allen

"Ooh. Hi book James Miller life algae relearn to simplify and transform your spirit mind and body. My name is James Miller. I'm a licensed therapist. A composer, thank you so much for tuning in today. Let's get started. I wanted to take just a quick moment to thank you, all who continually support and listen to James Miller folly I have been so blessed and honored by your continuous support. I wanted to make sure that you don't miss out on anything citing happy over here. So make sure you sign up for my newsletter. James Miller, life, Olivetti dot com. I have a great show for you today. I'm going to remind you that there is life lessons. All around us, also be interviewing Dr Kathleen Allen who uses nature as a model mentor and muse to rethink how leadership is practiced today. She reviews book leading from the roots nature inspired leadership lessons for today's world, which takes nature as a source of inspiration to help organization. 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Then today, contact me James Miller, I will help you recognize the areas your life that are going really well. And then we'll look at the areas in which you were struggling. We will create actionable solutions to help you create long lasting changes in your life. You don't have to do this alone. Go to website James Miller, I follow dot com and click on the page work with James fill out the form, and it will be sent directly to me, don't let another day go by without finding your way your change. Because start today, once again, goodbye website, James Miller, follow dot com and click on the page work with James filled up for him to get started today. Lessons all around us often life. We become so immersed in our thoughts that we forget that there's a whole world around us are electron IX are so important to us. Does we walked on the streets were busy answering emails or sending text messages other people as you've all heard many don't live in the moment, and what that essentially means is not giving a hundred percent attention to what is happening around you. If you find that you're struggling in your thoughts and your emotions, one of the best things to do is to literally look around, you, you'll be surprised at all the amazing lessons that you will. Learn today, for example, if you're struggling with depression, if you see the joy that apparent has for their baby. They look into their eyes. It brings you a sense of joy or if you have a pet and you come home, and that is so ecstatic to see you get it brings a smile to your face. Or if you're looking for spiritual awakening, you have to quiet, down your mind to be able to see what's around you. I remember one time I was blessed to be in Ireland and I was just outside of the cliffs of Moher, which on the far side of Ireland and for some. I was struggling with something even though I was in a beautiful kitchen. And I was staying at a hostel, which is a form of a hotel and I happen to see that there was this old Hauer off in the distance. So I walked over there, and I had a jump over a couple of fences and I stood next to this amazing tower that how thousands of years old. But as I sat next to it, I happened to look up and didn't realize that I was sitting next to a cliff and in that cliff I looked over into this bay and I saw the sunset in horizon. The windows blown in my face to Siegel's were diving all around me, and it was one of the most spiritual times of ever had in my life. I often reflected that memory because I felt so connected to something greater than myself. My point sharing that is this when we get so inundated with our thoughts and our emotions and all the things that we feel are important to us, and they are important to us. We lose sight of the lessons that are all around us, if we literally slow down and once again, live in the moment, and I don't mean to use that as cliche. But if we do live in the moment to be a part of every single thing we do when we walked down the streets feel the concrete. Eat as shoes strike the surface look at the people in the situations around you. And when you're aware of that, you'll find that you learn so many amazing things about your life, or anecdotes, that you can apply to your life. Those are the most important lessons you will learn unfortunately, if we're not aware of our surroundings or aware, what's happening around us. We will not have those opportunities to grow and develop. Yes, it's wonderful to listen to a show like this to read a book and to speak with our friends, but the greatest lessons, we will learn are all around us. But we're doing our self disservice if we're not paying attention to offend tastic yesterday. Dr capping Allen, who's gonna talk about that. She has a phenomenal way, which she likens businesses and organizations with nature, you can use this same analogy or example, in your own life to remember today, their lessons all around us. But unfortunately, if you're not paying attention, you won't learn them. Did you know I have a YouTube channel that's actually followed? You started. I have well over one hundred fifty five episodes, and I've created specifically for you. I do know that many people struggle with listening to a full thirty minute show. So these episodes are bound three minutes long each episode. We'll give you practical tool or technique that you can practice daily to help you simplify, and transform your spirit mind and body, simply go to my website, James Miller, life dot com, or go to YouTube, and search for my name, James Miller life algae. Dutta. Kathleen is the author of leading from the roots nature inspired leadership lessons for today's world and president of Alan associates, a consulting firm that specializes in leadership innovation and organizational change, and our consulting practice. She specializes in leadership coaching, and organizational change and nonprofit organizations foundations small to mid sized businesses community development healthcare, higher educational institutions and clever of networks. Welcome to my show, Dr. Allan, thank you. Glad to be your that was a mouthful for me to read. Yeah. You could probably cut. But it doesn't even describe while the things that you do really excited to show today. So from where are you calling today? Saint Cloud, Minnesota. I'm sure it's very cold up there. It is colder. That's beautiful from a distance from a picture for me. That is great. I can't wait to talk with you today. Because your book leading from the roots nature inspired leadership lessons for today's world. There's nothing that I've ever heard before, historically. I hear more about interpersonal, -ffective nece, all different ways in which leaders can grow. But I've actually never heard it bridge with nature before we're definitely going to talk about that in a minute. But before that I want to get a little bit of your origin story. How old were you when you discover that you had a national clearly or natural gift for leadership? That's a great question. I think that I've always had a predisposition to look at the world and be responsible for more than myself and I think that I've also my parents were very big on leaving the world better than you found. So that between those two things I kind of showed up in the world in a different way, I showed up as, if I could make a difference, and I could make things better and that goes back to being really small when three four five years old. That's great. I think the difference is well for many individuals when you truly believe something that you can achieve it doesn't really matter what anybody else says, because your belief system is so so concrete. In other words, it's factual doesn't matter what anybody says it's truth to. And so, I think when you're when someone is that young really believe that the natural course. It is going to happen in here. You are today as amazing expert. Yes. Who knew? We look at the whole thing transitioning from today. What was the pivotal moment for you to say you know what I'm going to create my own practice and I have this amazing gift and I'm going to change all these organizations. Was there a pivotal moment in your life when that happened? Yes. Yes, I had been working my previous career was working in higher education. And I was a vice president and I just got burnt out on administration. But even in those contexts I all I love to create environments that created opportunities for people to achieve their highest possibility. So that was what I was really good at. And but as I got burnt out on the administration portion of it. I just decided to take a leap of faith. I thought that maybe I'd gone through about five years of reflection on what my life purpose was before that. And that included trying to figure out what were you my unique gifts? And, and then what was I really supposed to do here? You know what was what, what am I meant to do? And I believe at the end of that kind of discernment five years of it, that I needed to reach out and do. This not just for the organization that I was getting paid for, but for a variety of organizations that I work that I could work with. And so I took a leap and it is worked beautifully form. It's amazing. Congratulations grant. So you said when you were a child that you have this natural understanding of the world in your place in the world, and how you wanted to leave a legacy or change change the world for the better. And so you have that, natural, those are my words and using that concept of, of your life. And then all of a sudden, having this ability organizational change wanting to help individuals, and then you, you merge, those two things together and my sumptious. And that's where this book came from once again, from the roots. I mean, not sounds like it's an amazing correlation of connection between that why don't we jump into that as far as when you look around? What was some things that you're like, oh, my gosh, just really make sense to me in a natural world in the world and organization. Well, the if nature were said to have a purpose nature would purpose would be to create conditions conducive to the life of future generations, and how beautiful is that conditions to conducive to the life of future generations, and it has three point eight? Billion years of development, just pretty good. It has something to teach. So the whole concept so nature when you we're at a time in our world, where we can look more deeply into nature. Nature's design and there is a group called bio mimicry, who literally has been looking deeper into nature and trying to understand, how is it fundamentally designed? And that work of bio, mimicry, literally using natures meant as a mentor a'model, and a measure for how we think about stuff, just really attracted me. And I've always lived and worked and lead in social environments. But most of mimicry is really looking at. Engineering and taking lessons from nature to create better products like the shape of a windmill. Or the, you know, I have new windows, my house, and there's a little insect that exerts an enzyme that now coach windows so that real sloughs off the window more and you don't have to wash them as much. Violin? But for me, I was struck by what would happen to our organizations if we created conditions conducive to the life of the people in it, what would happen to our organizations, if we could have places where both the organization and the people fried what would happen if that extended to our customers and to our supply line. And I just thought there is something here. That's very powerful. The way I'm hearing this as well for the first part, you said, essentially, creating a legacy when your business or your nature can create a legacy, it's means it's gonna be a long standing. It's going to be able to sustain itself, and from that sustainability allows for offspring if you will progeny or whatever it may be. And so, when you think of that as well that means the culture has to thrive that means that the individuals each limb or each part of the organization. So, in other words, the limbs or the extended appendages of whatever nature has. That is just like the different organizational parts of you know, you can have like HR you can have your sales. Development so many different elements of that. So when it does work this, what I'm hearing, you say, when it works in concert like that, it is going to be viable is going to be sustainable. It's going to be able to move along with the trends, or other words, what, what Evelyn is of the of the environment needs. For example, you know what was it was it blockbuster? They did not thrive and grow with the trend of streaming streaming video. And unfortunately they went out of business, where flicks was able to do that and kind of took it over. So the understanding of how can you involve as opposed to become stagnant, and that's kind of what I'm hearing? Yeah. So, for example, in nature nature, always fits form to function. That's part of its fundamental design. It has adapted cycles releasing is part of an adaptive cycle, if you get attached to a form in your work of life, Allah. Gee, if people get attached to a certain identity of who they are, and they don't notice, what else is happening and showing up in their life, and they become rigid in the way. They think that becomes they get stuck and then eventually something happens. And it creates a significant disruption in their life nature, just keeps adapting it if you think of a stream that starts at the melting of ice and snow in the mountain it comes down as a trickle. But then it turns into backwaters, Eddie's and waterfalls and Rapids and slow winding rivers all of. Moves form very easily literally like water. If you strip does not hold onto stuff in the way that human being. So one of the interesting things about what's the difference in nature and human beings is that we have consciousness and we have emotions and. Earn a blessing and a burden consciousness. Our mindsets can cause us to stop our own evolution and development. And our fears can do that, or or motions, but nature doesn't have that. So it, it fits formed a function, so had has caused me to ask questions. Like how can I listen better? How can I create or help organizations? Learn to listen better to what is happening around them, and then actively choose to adapt instead of actively choose, or unconsciously, choose to resist. And when you make that shift, a whole bunch of things change, and I was going to ask you ask you this, as well as with all of your work that you've done, what is one of the key factors that you've noticed where a lot of organizations, just don't do that. They don't learn this. They don't learn to, to really adapt to the trends. Well, two things. One is that most of our organizations are not considered living systems. They aren't they're considered objects. And when we objectify organization, we also objectify, the people in them and objects, don't grow evolve. They're not like human beings, but human beings. We do grow involve. So if somebody says you're replaceable, you leave, and we'll get someone that obviously minimizes ones one's one's self minimize position. I mean, it's it doesn't feel good at all right? And objects are confined. If you think of copy coffee Cup, it's confined bounded existence. It doesn't connect to its larger environment, but nature and life is all about connection. It's all about relationship. We are in an interdependent system. So when you're in an interdependent system, you're going to be looking outside of yourself to see what's coming your way and what's changing the external environment. But if you're an object, you just try to use power resources to power and not change to muscle. Muscle it through kind of. And so that's one of the reasons and then the others, I've just been enjoying reflecting on what I call where how feedback and dysfunction shows up in organizations. And when you go into teams or divisions or overall whole organizations, and there's lots of rich and diverse feedback loops information that people are paying attention to listening to their they tend to be really healthy and high performance places. And if you go into a department where somebody just doesn't wanna listen. And they are there. People are trying to give them feedback. That says, you know, you're not being very effective here. And you're blocking the work or whatever I call those kind of feedback dead zones, and they almost always are associated with this function and lower productivity in. They create real problems for organizations to move forward. And one of the things about living systems is that living systems scale. So if you have a problem individually, you also have a problem in the team, you have a similar problem and you have a similar problem in a community or an organization. So it's, it's really interesting to just notice how the how the power of feedback can an its presence or absence. And how we listen or we don't listen, we respond or how we don't respond can shape the pain or the joy in our lives. Yeah. That's, that's beautifully said, I was just kind of thinking about that as well as you were saying, this is a splinter in a human. Splinter in my finger something. That's all I think about. That's all I feel. So I can get it up because it's be this pervasive this I don't hurt. But it's knowing what would be some of the things that you would say, for an internal audit, if you will of for organizations to be able to really say, let me let's check the pulse of this. Let's see what's going really, well, let's see where some of these stopgaps our, some of these individuals may be stopping from growing development developing, what would be some ways in which they could do that. So one of my consulting parts practices is to go in and help organizations. Think about lick transform their cultures in one of my two of my favorite questions in those culture culture audits are what drains your energy at work, and what generates positive energy at work, and those two answers are very revealing. So when you ask people, what is draining their energy, they almost always talk about a process, a team sometimes it's a person. That is somehow or other interfering with their ability to bring their best most authentic self to work and all of their talents as well. And what creates positive energy, when you listen to them, they believe that they're doing work that matters. They have shared for purpose. They are able to build relationships that are offended, and they have relationships built on reciprocity. So it's not a kind of rank order one person matters more than another. And when you have those things in an organization and a culture it changes how we work. But when I think about leadership and leading from the roots. There's two kind of fundamental principles here. One is what can we learn from nature's design and can, we design our organizations to reward cooperation to fit form to function to running on sunlight of free Renault resource, which I? I think is human energy to reward cooperation and Bank on diversity to tap, the power of limits. That's one section. But then you also have to kind of shift your mental model of your organization from an object to a living system. And when you start leading from a living system, mindset, you start acknowledging that the system already is moving. It's a static thing. Look at those and it changes that people only support what they helped to create they only pay attention to what matters, they are interdependent, they grow with information and knowledge. And when you start leading from that framework at changes the way you lead literally, it means that top down decision making isn't going to get bottom up. Support and viit. So the once you start treating people as living system and you start leading with a different way in a different way than a whole bunch of things, become possible, your leadership questions change instead of how do I create change? How do I transform the energy? That's. Sure, you know, instead of who's going to make this happen. You say, well, what connections and interactions will make this work. Instead of what do I need to control? You're asking. What do I need to unleash? I really like those reframe different. I really liked the non objectification in other words, just some feel any spot position. You really valuing the work value in your employees, because each one of them have say you think about the assembly line for Ford Motors when it was first created, if every if one person didn't do this in the props, there were only supposed to do one little bolt that was their lifelong mission if they didn't do that. Well, the car couldn't run it all. So I think somebody times organizations, we forget about the assembly line approach, and the sense of everybody has so much value. I love how you're able to take this from a nature inspired concept because you have to go outside or look outside, and you can immediately have understanding while I want my business to be able to thrive just whereas nature because. Like you said, billions of years of this is. Been proven already works. And one of the things I love about nature is that as nature involves into old growth forest and more mature in colleges like prairies and. Coral reefs. They become much more diverse. And one of the things that happens is that the diversity of species begin to create these relationships, cooperative relationships where the nutrient that one's BC's needs is actually something that another species has in abundance. And so they create these relationships of imagine the clown fish hanging out in help, and the clown fish generates. More oxygen that the Celts need in the kelp has more protection for fish from predators. Right. So that this, so what I love is the idea the possibility that we could actually create generous systems in our organizations instead of systems that seem to be driven on self interest and financial measures of success. Zach metrics of successor, be completely different. And those metrics of those people who have not yet involved. They're not going to be sustainable. And when you see that they're so high turnover rate, or you see that, that businesses struggling significantly probably because just like you said, they have not created a symbiotic relationship, or just really understood that the value of each of their of their employees is so significant because as you grow organism then you grow and develop for what the changes in the world around you. Yes. Absolutely. It has been affluent. Pleasure. Have you on my show today? Dr Alan if I find him or Frisian about you all the amazing things are doing and purchases book leading from the roots nature inspired leadership lessons for today's world. Where would they find this information online? You can follow me on my website, WWW Kathleen Alan with a K Kathleen, Alan dot net. And if you're interested, I write a weekly blog on lessons from nature that you can apply to your own leadership, or your own work in organizations, and you can sign up for that on my website as well. Wonderful and so people would like to purchase your book as well. Where would they find that purchase it from your favorite bookstore, or Amazon, or Barnes and noble or wherever actually, my listeners know else do this as well? If my listeners are able to find your book, once again, leading from the roots nature, inspire leadership license for today's world. They may find it in the previous guests sections in the store at both of my websites James Miller, life dot com and followed dot TV doctor Allen was such a pleasure, getting with each day. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate the time. I also want to thank you, the listener for tuning in today. Please subscribe at this radio show ever. Portia joined with us today, or please, go to my website, we may sign up for my free newsletter. 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NCAA Preview w/ Chris Peters & Zach Dooley

All the Kings Men | LA Kings

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NCAA Preview w/ Chris Peters & Zach Dooley

"You're listening to an la kings podcast for more episodes of this and every other kings program visit l. a. kings dot com slash podcast. Jones's just you're listening to all the king's men the official podcast of la kings. The country against david rennick. Now here's your host jesse cohen. Welcome back kings fans. I'm jesse colin. This is all the king's men when it comes to a starting lineup. Everybody loves the starter from jack. Black loaded with the superior. Skin-care that the pros love. La kings fans can get the starter for just ten dollars shipping included available exclusively at get jack black dot com with the code team. Jv the starter has four. Jack lacks bestselling skin. Karen shave products plus a full-size. Intense therapy lipscomb. Spf twenty five a natural mint. Here's to the winning combination of the la kings and the starter from jack black dollars plus free shipping available at get jack black dot com with code team j. b. while supplies last you guys the nc double a. Tournament begins this weekend. And we're here to tell you why you should care. kings prospects. Potential draft picks. Frankly any hockey is good hockey sack duly and chris peters joined me for a preview of the anc aa men's hockey tournament the nc double a. Men's hockey tournament is set to begin to talk to us. About king's prospects and other notable players. Chris peters are at chris. I'm doing well. Jesse good to be with you and zach and now always a pleasure to talk. Ncwa hockey now. You are a one of a handful of people who are the go to guys talk prospects normally prospects. I think at least from my opinion. Maybe it's different these days but ninety prospects. I usually think the canadian hockey league usually think Players that have already been drafted but the nc double a. has been making name more and more for itself in recent years. I know zach certainly cares more about college hockey than i than i have. So i'm the i'm the low bar. I'm in this conversation but chris. The kings have brock faber playing for minnesota. And i know a lot of kings fans have been interested in him certainly since his performance of the. Wjc what can you tell us about their chances and the role that he's likely to play in this tournament while the university of minnesota has the number two overall seed in the whole thing So sorry number. Three seed in the whole thing. So they're They're really interesting team. There they won the big ten tournament and brock favors gonna play a significant role if they have success because he has been Pretty much you know their go go-to guy as a freshman. This year plays big minutes plays in all situations and can really move. The puck extraordinarily. Well so minnesota's got a bit of a tough road to to go into the tournament. You know they've they've they run very wealthy themselves with the big ten championship but There there are. There is no such thing as an easy game in the ncaa tournament so But they are absolutely one of those teams that has a chance and brought favor is a guy that has played so well all season long. I think that he's exceeded expectations. A lot of people liked him as a prospect. That know he was very good prospect in the draft but to see what he's done this season i think he's really exceeded Every every kind of expectation you can have for for what a guy looks like as a true freshman like you don't usually don't always see like those eighteen year olds come into college hockey and just play at that level right like sometimes they struggle right when they were playing against younger players to those twenty one twenty two year old player but favor seems to kinda stepped right in and excel like is that an impressive right like to see him do those kinds of things in his first true freshman year it really has been the biggest thing is that is out. Good in an how sound is defensively. And that's that's always been the case with with brought favorite. He's such a tremendous skater. That that it's really difficult to get around him. It's really difficult to beat him on a rush. His gap control is fantastic. He's not afraid to get physical. And it's hard for true freshman in particular who are pure defenders And he has it. I shouldn't say he's a pure defender because he does have to weigh capabilities doesn't put up big numbers but he can move the puck pretty well but you know he he defense i kinda guy and it is very difficult to be that as a freshman physically against teams like wisconsin in penn state and notre dame teams that can grind you down and where you out and even right on down ohio state and and the teams that finish kind of lower in the standings. You really need to be able to establish yourself physically. You need to have the strength. And i think that he came in with such a good foundation in his skating in hit and he was a strong player for his age to begin with it allowed him to kinda smooth in that transition. We're not talking about any program here. We're talking about the university of minnesota to be a true freshman and basically become earn your way to becoming top pairing defenceman for that team. You're playing a lot with ryan johnson. Who was a first round. Pick your before with With with the buffalo sabres in you know to to have those guys as you're basically you're shutdown pair is pretty impressive just a freshman and sophomore and they are thrown out whenever i you know. Minnesota needs to stop. So i think that is that those are the things that really stand out about. How impressive brought favor has been this season. Just to growing the conversation to a halt for a second In minnesota has a tough draw in this tournament for those who maybe don't follow college hockey's closely how is that. How what is the selection process for the teams in the tournament. How many teams or in the tournament. And what does it mean to say that. They have a tough draw. Yeah well there are sixteen teams in the tournament so it's already a small field which is really kind of what makes it artor you know. And so i think that limitation as well which is another thing that that really to me makes it all the more urgent You know so looking at the bracket just to kind of give you an idea. What i what i mean say top-draw so so they're basically in the selection process. You have your number one seeds which minnesota is therefore number one seeds in each regional. And then you you know they play the fourth place teams. While in minnesota's case the number four seed in their bracket is actually from the ncaa. It's university of nebraska omaha and the for my money is the toughest conference in america It is it is. that's north dakota as minnesota duluth. They've kind of odd denver. The kind of own the national championships most recently and while nebraska omaha is not necessarily a power in that that onference. They are a battle tested team and being a battle tested team in college hockey matters. They've this is a team. That's played the university of north dakota six times already this season and one two of those games in minnesota north dakota the number one team in the country. So that's who minnesota has to face now if they advance in next in the next round. It's either minnesota state which is a very grinding defensive team one of the best goaltenders in the nation or its quinnipiac which has one of the more high powered offenses led by a couple of hobey baker candidates odeon tough though as the top guy. Keep petrocelli their goaltender Who could be the mike. Richter award winner. You know the way. He's played this season. That's a that's a tough regional to get out of now. That's not to say that any any other ones are easy. Because if north dakota windsor regional they have to play their minnesota duluth their michigan or two of the best teams in the country. So you know that's just when you have a sixteen team feel. This year was unique because normally we have computer algorithm. That really kind of makes everything go nice and study. And everybody's happy will this year. The selection committee got to basically be a little bit more subjective because there was no non conference play so omaha for instance was an at large bid. Minnesota was an automatic qualifier because they won the big ten but so there are six automatic qualifiers and the rest could be filled out by this committee and nebraska. Omaha was the team at that got with minnesota. So that'll be That'll be very interesting to see how that all shakes out there playing in loveland colorado and have some later games as well so it'll be a little bit different for some of those guys that may not be adjusted to that in and playing in colorado and having to travel a little bit but i think most of the players are actually really excited to travel. 'cause most of them having traveled very far this year building work for the ontario loveland colorado the ontario reign. I don't think we've wanted him there yet. But that were while. I was gonna ask you if you agree with chris. Assessment of Who you know. What the best Collegiate conferences this year or jim. I think i do especially lately. I think it's hard to argue that the conference with duluth north dakota is not the best conference I grew up in upstate. New york so i. I grew up watching. The ac and easy. A sea of this year is obviously very different than the ecac of normal with like eighty percent of the team's not playing in the tournament unfortunately but obviously a conference. It's gotten better to over the last ten to fifteen years. Quinnipiac is kind of work their way into that national program discussion whereas ten fifteen years ago. They weren't even on the map. Data program Bright you start to feel more more of those kinds of conferences. Get better and it's not the point where there's one or two every year that might win. The you cameron closeness podcasts. He'd save at hockey's the best conference in america. But i think i'd have to say that that's probably the ncaa right now right now for sure now at brock favor is not the only kings prospect to pay attention to in this tournament. David rennick appears to be the goal. I have that correctly for saint christ state. i don't know how to judge goaltending numbers at the collegiate level. But i mean just at a glance they. His numbers appear to be respectable. I would say their respective. You know. it's just the way that the h. Was set up this year there was such an imbalance. There were teams that have very easy. Schedules narrow teams. That had very difficult schedules. I think saint cloud was one of the teams that had much more battle-hardened schedule and that was you know that this is a team that also has doesn't have necessarily the veteran presence of some of the other teams that are in their conference. But you know rennick is a fine goaltender. I think he's good college bowl at the. Nhl prospects still Saint cloud this year just i. I think they've really surprised a lot of people with how good they've been in. Really you know you look at. The top goal is in the country and most of the time. Our numbers are in the nineteen thirties. So it's trying to like that you know he's not really in that range but he's still above average goalie this year and if you look historically at his numbers he's been he's been a top goal in the league he's been a reason that saint cloud has been one of the teams at super competitive. I think there are times where he's been a little inconsistent but at the same time i mean that's that's the that's that happens with a lot of prospects especially if the goal tending position. But i think he's the kind of guy that if he gets off at the right time he absolutely gives them a chance to to win I think that there are team. Might not have quite enough depth to go up at the head against much teams and and they have one of the tougher first round matchups of teams that came in with a number two seed. They have to play boston university And be you has only played fifteen games this season. They've had a bit of a weird year. They have a lot of covid protocol issues and so if saint cloud winds that they would play the winner in boston college. Notre dame as. I look at saint cloud there you know. We mentioned minnesota tough draw. Saint cloud got tougher dry. It's gonna be you know for first round. Matchup is difficult to get out of the get out of that. You know you only have to make what get one more win over the frozen four after that. But it would be boston college. Notre dame which play a very difficult teams to defend against an and teams. That you where you down with with some of their speed and physicality in notre dame stays so. Yeah it's interesting to see kind of where things go. But i think iraq over the course of his career has a really good job and has allowed saint cloud to maintain status as as a program. That's even continuing to get better in clouds down a little bit in their depth because they sent about eight forwards to the kings organization. I'm blake lozad being the most recent one. But i was actually wondering like saint cloud has suffered some serious heartbreak in this tournament in its last yet every additions to say the least Is that something you think. That could maybe play in their favour like they've been in those situations and they've lost those situations and now that you know they. They probably have some players who have felt that heartbreak. They felt what it's like to lose a now. Maybe they have it takes to win. Yeah i think that definitely helps. I just wonder if there are enough. Those guys that that are in significant enough roles with that team a lot of those guys that are on the team now or younger that that didn't experience you know three years ago when they lost. Afc in in the first round and and there are there are certainly some guys there the dead and and it's i do think it's motivating. I think it's it's it's helped teams in the past. I think like denver a few years back definitely benefited from you know being humbled in the tournament. A couple of times in minnesota duluth has had some tough losses. But you know. They've become the class of season hockey and college hockey or the last three years So i think it just it it just having that influx of fresh blood and they have a freshman that's leading them in scoring down. Vdb aetna who is maple leafs draft pick. But he's you know when you have guys like that kind of raise the standard that. I think that almost helps more than the heartbreak. Because it's like okay. Well we we have this guy this time you know. We didn't have that elite sniper that we feel can get us a goal at any moment. I mean that changes the calculus when you're thinking about this but i mean the thing. Is that saint cloud. Minnesota states never won a tournament game. And they've been a number one seed in in at times in this tournament and and as you know they're still looking for that first win so you know. I think that everybody wants to be the guy. Every team wants a team that breaks that streak. The the heartbreaking. Yeah but i mean. Saint cloud and minnesota state historically have really struggled when they've gotten to the national tournament and i'm sure that they have a group that really wants to end that this collegiate hockey is admittedly with probably the biggest blind spot in my awareness of the hockey world. I have ignored it for a very long time but zacks whined about blake was on the trail of saint cloud state players coming into the kings. The kings have not shied away from acquiring players out of the ncwa. Whether it's drafting a guy like rock favor signing guy like alex follow whatever route that is are there some big name players that have either that are either going to draft eligible or you know are over aged and look to be signed free agents in this tournament that kings fans should keep an eye on absolutely and actually draft eligibility this year. This is a great year for the nc double a. because there are three players on the university of michigan's team that are all going to probably go within the top ten in this year's draft. Okay you've got owen power who's freshman defense and six five highly mobile very well could be the number one. Pick in the draft this year You know he's he's wait. A great season at mit at michigan. And he's gotten better over. The course. I think he's playing his best hockey right now. Which is very important for michigan for them to be competitive and have a chance they play minnesota duluth in the first round very tough draw. The next guy is center. Mattie veneers us on team usa at the world juniors was a big part of that is basically the number two center there and was phenomenal for team usa. And he's been phenomenal for. The university of michigan is a two way center. He's he's kind of one of those foundational players. I think that he you know i'm not. I'm not gonna compare them to on jaco petar. But that's you know that's kind of impact that he has for michigan as a two-way guy. Who can get it done at both ends of the ice and really dictate games on his own. So he's really exciting also can't johnson. Who was a center winger. He's played wing more at michigan but he's also played center he was the h. l. Mvp last year and what a ridiculous numbers is an absolute wizard with the puck. You know he's probably of those three. He'll probably be drafted third but again this. We're still talking like potential top ten picture And he's had some highlight reel. Plays this year really creative with the puck. Exciting to watch you know if you're kind of in that if you're in the lottery range you know you're kind of hoping that somebody like him can fall to you because there's a real high upside with that player and then you know there are other guys that are second year draft eligible guys that you might see later in the draft bid rounds like josh latina. Who's actually in his third year draft eligible. He's at umass. He's basically been their top center this year and outstanding player and then obviously as you mentioned college free agency and it can be a crap. Shoot you know like their guys that everybody's after because of their size or they fit a role or they. They can do something you know we think about you know few years ago. How many teams wanted to get in after after daniel brickley and try to get inside. You know we're still kind of waiting to see him. Take that next step but then there are others you know like like i follow their others like that that come through and make a huge impact and then you've also got you know so this year there there's several quality reagents the number one guy. This year is matt. Kierstead is offensive at the university of north dakota real good two way player You know very high impact kind of guy you know. The north dakota has been churning out kind of these these college free agent defenceman. They have they have all their top players. That are drafted. Then they always have these guys at the nfl under the radar and they really raise the level of their game. And then they've had guys like drake as ula in years past and now they've had he he was a forward but kierstead kinda reminds me a little bit of choice stecher Who you know who has managed to carve out of really nice little. Nhl career for himself very similar player in that regard. So they've got having jordan kawaguchi. Top scores for them He he could've come out last year. Decided not to went back really wanted to try to win a national championship. North dakota's the number one team. We'll see if they can get it done but that if you're looking at college free agents that's definitely team that you want to keep an eye on actually a michigan down as a team. Kings fan should be interested in not just share the three gut. But there's also four california natives on the team. I believe from my react like a team. That if you're looking past the guys that kings prospects play on that could be a cool team for those of us locally expansion two just because of all the homegrown town. Yeah i mean. That's cam york is is a is a philadelphia flyers draft pick but he is one of those california kids i began. You know he has a chance to be one of the real real sensational players out of california and he exudes california cool to like. I mean you know. He's he's just kind of suit laid back and he plays out way too. Like i think there have been people that have have misconstrued that for lack of urgency or lack. You know like the lack of the. He does not lack competitiveness that lack anything of team. Usa at the world juniors. I think that he has such an aura about him. That really teams gravitates. So yeah so michigan you know inspect especially cam york you know. He's a guy that i think you know. We'll do the state of california proud at one more for you. We will watch stands double a basketball tournament. Both men and the women so many upsets this year. It's been the year the double digit seed. Who is your upset period. Can't pick the team play. Minnesota not written for that but that game. What's your upset special for the for the ncaa tournament all man. Yeah it's tough. I mean. I think interesting like the weird thing is is like you'll say like you know oral roberts here you know i don't think there i don't think there's any Y'all bob cats in in in midst at the moment but you know. I think that a team that's kind of lower the rankings. That's been my darkhorse. Since the beginning of the season and i'm just going to stick with them is quinnipiac and you're the only entry from ecac as you mentioned that there were only by the end of the season. Only three teams playing each the clarkson had started and then had to stop and You know basically their their season ended without them being able to make the postseason and sell their only three teams and then saint lawrence which one ecac and the auto bid to get to the tournament. They're coach tested positive for covid and they had to pull out of the ncaa tournament. So that is what allowed notre dame to get in. They were the last team in. Peac would have been in any way and i. I mentioned othing tough to really. He's a college free agent watches wall. He's had close to forty points every season that he's been in college you and forty points as you know they don't play a ton of games so if you can hit the forty mark you're pretty darn good player. I'm you know he's a bit undersized but a really good playmaker petrocelli detroit redwings draft pick is their goaltender outstanding. Players had a great season. He can steal games for them. That's a big reason. Why i like him on defense peter. Deliver tori's act mezza you know they. They've had some guys that can produce from the back end those guys in particular and then they have a really good freshman entice milanic who is a basically came in from From last season he went kind of slipped in the draft cause he had injury problems he went to florida in the third round and he's been outstanding one of the top freshman goalscorers this season and then they have a bunch of guys that people may not hear of again after this but they're really good college players that can make you know they're going to battle and they're gonna try and compete and so the thing is that now if say quit peac wins their first round matchup than you know. Suddenly they play minnesota. So you know we'd have to. We'd have to see what happens there. So i i but yeah but i think that that could piano is kind of a dark horse that i think if you take them lightly they will jump all real quick question. Why do i know the name ties. Milan is did he come through the us national development program did there. Yeah so yeah. Yeah and he yeah he was. Yeah i mean he could have been first round draft pick if he you know didn't suffer injuries and they came back and then we lost the end of the season last year just as he was getting healthy so that might have helped him slipping the draft. Then get good value. And yeah he any might be one of the best recruits that be really ever had. They've had some some good. Nhl prospects over the year. But yeah he's he's one of the best excellent chris. We wanna thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for letting us know about the nc double a. tournament. You can follow chris on twitter for more coverage that is at chris peters or check out his website hockey sense dot sub stack dot com for independent coverage of of the various levels of hockey there in the world hockey with chris. Peters thanks again. Chris we appreciate it. Thanks guys great to be with you.

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First Thursday, October 2021

Labor Relations Information System

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First Thursday, October 2021

"Hello folks welcome to first thursday. The monthly podcast from the labor relations information system. My name is willa jason. I'll be witty for the next forty five minutes or so as we go through recent developments in the public safety labor world and hey i know last month. I told you we weren't going to be as vaccine heavy or have anything on vaccines this month. Well that didn't quite work out It turns out the many many more employers public safety employers have gone to vaccine mandates the dates by which police fire corrections have to be vaccinated Have either already happened. Or what will be coming up in the near future and the vaccine mandates where they exist almost uniformly and with termination of the employees. So what. I thought. I would do on this occasion of the podcast. Is something a little bit different than i did. Last time hopefully It occurred to me about two weeks ago or so that the really wasn't anybody in the country who was tracking the vaccine mandate litigation out there on a case by case basis. And so i thought well okay. I'll give it a shot. See what i can do it. And i now understand why. There's nobody out there doing Because many of these decisions are unreported. Trial court decisions You end up having to find them by going to a news article. That hopefully a link to the judge's opinion if not you try to go to the courts web page because none of these things are going to be on a national database. Yet are very very few of them. But i have put together a table of vaccine mandate litigation We will appended in the show. Notes to this podcast. That tries to chronicle how these cases are turning out so from what i can tell there happened. Thirty seven cases decided on the issue of vaccine mandates. Some of them about a third of them involve students mostly college. Students who are subject to a vaccine mandate the others involve a public employment usually either public safety. Employees are more frequently healthcare employees. The principles are the same in all of these cases and there have been thirty. Seven of these cases decided over the last eight months or so And when you look at the table you'll see that different arguments that were raised in the case cases and how the judge responded to those particular arguments. The cases run the full gamut of making all the arguments. You're probably hearing being made in your organization so arguments like i've got a right to privacy and you can't force me to participate in some sort of medical treatment against my well. That violates my right to privacy. Or relatively i have a constitutional due process right to bodily integrity and you can't force me to get vaccinated There are arguments. That have been made that the vaccines some of them. Not all of them at some of them are still only authorized. Under the food and drug administration's emergency use authorization statutes the eu a statutes and the arguments are those statutes give individuals the right to just say no to a vaccine There are many other arguments that That you see pop up from time to time. In these cases and argument for example that forcing someone to get vaccinated as forcing them to engage in speech and government the employer and all of our cases can't force somebody to engage in speech. It's not a surprise that these arguments are very much the same because the same groups are behind a fair number of these cases there are some national nonprofits that are opposed to covert nineteen vaccination and in some cases just simply opposed to vaccination any form of vaccination and these nonprofits are funding some of these lawsuits using the same lawyers. So it's not at all surprising that we find many same theories that are out there. So how are these cases coming out by my count. The score is that employers and schools in the school cases have won thirty two of the thirty seven cases. What about the other five. What about the cases where employees and students have been successful And i think it's probably going to be more important to actually focus on those so Here are the five cases. I'm not gonna use case names. You can find these on the On the table if you pick it up from the show notes. But two of the cases struck down a vaccine mandate because it didn't have a religious exemption One of the cases which was a louisiana case The court end up striking down a vaccine mandate for students because there's an unusual louisiana statute that allows students to file written and. I'm quoting dissents from a mandatory vaccination program and the school had not dotted. All the is and crossed the ts that are required under that particular statute the fourth case. Which is a florida case. Involved an employer that when it was sued simply didn't put on any evidence whatsoever and the court criticizes the employer for doing that saying basically. How can you expect me to evaluate this case. If you don't have any evidence at all the fifth gays Which is one metres already on. Appeal in the new york system is that a vaccine policy involves a mandatory subject for bargaining and the employer can't implement it without first bargaining with unions. Now let me take that fifth case for a moment. just tell you wear. The law seems to be on the bargaining issue. I think you'll agree with me. Those other four cases they are kind of sui generis right They are cases onto their own. We're not likely to see these cases Being used support for challenging abroad vaccine mandate in other to religious exemption cases well public sector employers have religious exemptions for their vaccination programs and so those cases aren't gonna pop anywhere Similarly the failure to comply with a louisiana statute or the employer showing up and not putting on evidence. That's not going to happen again. But the one that may happen again of these cases is this argument. That vaccination policies are mandatorily negotiable and cannot be implemented by the employer without first bargaining And that is a new york case. And as i mentioned it's already on appeal and Sometime within the next week or so. We may see. A decision from the appeals court. How are other court's ruling on that issue because that has now come up in by my count. Three different states other than New york well. What i've referred to as the big case in this area is a case that comes out of california's public employment relation sport and it involves the university of california's Vaccine mandate and in that case california's perp held that the decision to impose a vaccine mandate is not negotiable but the effects of the decision are. What are the effects. You can bargain over things like Are there going to be disciplinary consequences for not getting vaccinated Whether vaccinations going to be on on on-duty time who's going to pay for the cost of vaccination is they're going to be some sort of reward system premium pay or extra day off. Whatever it might be. There's a lot of different effects that are potentially negotiable and so california's perp says decision. Not negotiable but employer after bargain about effects so and that is by the way away. I think these bargaining cases ultimately will come out There may be some on both sides of that equation. But i think that's going to be the majority rule that an employer can impose the decision but doesn't have but may not impose the decision without bargaining over the effects The big question asked bargaining over. Effects is to you have to do it before. Or after you implement and in the california case which was a little bit unusual and it was not a covert nineteen vaccination case it was a flu vaccination case In that case the employer actually didn't make the argument that could go ahead and implement and then bargain about the facts. I think in the context of cova nineteen and the fact that seven hundred thousand people have now died from this disease. I think labor boards are going to say yeah employer while you have an obligation to bargain about the effects. So long as you're willing to do so you can impose a decision and continue to bargain about the effects. After you impose a decision. We'll have to see on that. But that's the way i think the cases are going to come out but what about the other cases in the country while the big one is now in new jersey and this involves the city of newark. You'll see the case and the table That we prepare and in the newark case. An unfair labor practice complaint was filed by several units in the city of newer led by the commanding officers association in the police department. And the argument was you need to bargain over a vaccine mandate and new jersey's public employment relations commission agreed said. Yeah employer. You need to bargain over this Pity appeal to the new jersey court of appeals which held in a rather stunning decision that the employer did not need to bargain over either the decision or the effects of the decision. And why do. I say rather stunning decision. It's because new jersey courts have been very friendly to the notion. That things are negotiable and This this holding is really very inconsistent with a wide body of precedent in new jersey. So we'll see if the unions in that case appeal to the new jersey spring court. We'll see if the supreme court takes the case But it is really. I think it's a very important decision simply from a labor relations standpoint and not so much simply from the standpoint of vaccination There's a line in the court's opinion tells you the courts attitude about the whole case and i'm just going to quote it for you. City employees. have the right to get vaccinated and keep their jobs or decide that they do not want to work for the common good. I can tell the court's opinion of people who are not getting vaccinated The third case is one that was Filed in the state of washington and it was filed against the mandate imposed by the washington governor on washington state employees. And this involved. A challenge filed by in the. What's known as the fish and wildlife officers guilt and the officers guild went into court and asked for temporary restraining order saying. Hey you've got a bargain over this and The judge said. No not negotiable. Judge doesn't Get into as nearly as i can tell. And this is just an oral opinion from the judge. So i'm relying on the newspaper reports of the opinion And they the judge doesn't get into the niceties between bargaining over the decision and bargaining over the facts. A judge just simply denies the temporary restraining order. saying that on balance the state centrists and having all of its employees vaccinate predominate over the interest of the union or the employees. And i want to read you. One line out of this judge's opinion and think back to what the new jersey court of appeals said. So here's the judge. Twenty people are asking me to look out for their well and ignore the wellbeing of the rest of the state. And i'm frankly unwilling to do so. So those are the five exceptions. In the thirty seven cases five exceptions where employees want that to where there was no religious exemption one where there was that louisiana statute one where the employer failed to offer any evidence and one the new york case that held that the vaccination policy was mandatory for bargaining A decision that is contrary to to other jurisdictions and partly contrary to that University of california case That means if you carve out those five cases Which really. I think as i said earlier are kind of sui generis. They stand on their own. That means we have thirty two cases involving the common claims of unconstitutionality vaccine program And the emergency youth off use autorization claims and the score on those cases is employers and schools two employees and students zero And this gets back to what i said. And the last edition of first thursday. I really don't think employees are unions are well advised in pudding much hope in the possibility of litigation These cases are simply not coming out in favor of employees at all or unions. Mostly okay that's it on mandatory vaccination picked up that table If you want us to mail you the table Send send us an email at info at l. s. dot com. And we'll get to you now onto the cases but one more thing before i get to the cases I saw an article in a newspaper in early september about a new website that has being maintained by cornell university and it's being maintained in the library of the school of industrial and labor relations. Which you might think that okay. They're they're keeping this website and the website is on police. Union webpages that might make sense For cornell's labor college they. I l our school which is probably the premier labor college in the country That's that makes sense for them to be keeping that sort of archive except the purpose of it isn't to chronicle something in the labor movement instead. What it is designed to do is to archive the views of police unions and police associations About social and other issues and here. I'm i'm going to quote from what they archives. Official description says analysis of the role of policing and society of reached a peak with issues of law enforcement social justice and public security taking center stage a range of policies and methods as well as critical statements and aspirational. Proposals are documented in the websites. So a caution to all police union center out there that have a website. Just remember somebody is keeping a database with the post that you make on your website and they aware that fact and we'll post the news article that announces The publication of this website with the show nuts for our cases. I want to start with a couple of duty of fair representation case that have come out. That illustrates some basic Are i'll call a d. of our duty. A fair representation basic our principles Just as a reminder here the duty of fair representation as by and large the only duty that a labor organization owes to its members and the duty of fair representation is essentially a procedural duty A union has an obligation to consider potential grievances and other claims for members in a procedurally fair and non-discriminatory manner. And if it does so then the union will be insulated from claim of duty of fair representation. Even if a labor board or court disagrees with the unions underlying decision on a case This is a requirement for fair procedures. So let's talk about the two cases and let's talk about the principles and the first case is one that if a union or the principal is one that if a union is found to violated the duty of fair representation it can tho damages to the employees but it may be that the employer can also oh damages to the employees the damages half to be apportioned between the employer and the labor organization. So what's up with this case. It's an odd case. Factually it involves a fellow named todd. Hatfield who was an assistant fire. Chief for the city of greyling michigan hatfield. In addition to being the assistant fire chief had completed his police academy training and he was certified by michigan's law enforcement commission. Asa police officer. Even though he worked primarily as firefighter and only filled in for police duties on catch-as-catch-can catch cam basis. Hatfield was part of a bargain again. It not the firefighter bargain unit. But part of a bargaining it represented by the fraternal order of police labor council And this all starts in may of two thousand seventeen When the f. o. Flp's collective bargaining agreement. is just about to expire the union members. Hold about and decide. They're gonna change representatives and they vote for the police officers association of michigan to become their new union. I'll call that peo. am And very shortly afterwards. In june of two thousand seventeen the union members then vote to remove all command positions from the bargain again and that includes hatfields position as assistant. Fire chief In august so this is all kinda come and boom boom boom and the late spring and summer of two thousand seventeen The city signs a tentative agreement with p. l. p. o. a. m. which excludes the fire chief position from the bargaining unit hatfield toys for a little while with forming a command union But he doesn't get around to it by october of two thousand seventeen. When the city hits an economic downturn and restructures its public safety. Police fire department and that restructuring involves the elimination of hatfields physician. Assistant fire chief. South said he tells hatfield. Look You know we're restructuring and your job is eliminated. You are going to be demoted to the position of patrol officer and hatfield Accepts that but then the city says something else. The city says luck in your new position. You're now the lowest in seniority Hatfield disagrees with that thanks. There's a different measurement of seniority than the city is is using He thinks he wants to tie. It ended when he received his peace officer certification from the state. The city thanks. It's a different measure of seniority And eventually the city hands hatfield a letter of employment have feel as concerned about signing the letter of employment because it requires him to serve a twelve month probationary period hatfill reaches out to the po am. Says i don't feel comfortable signing those and the business agent for oem says hey come outside it come to work fly under the radar for the remaining eleven months of the probationary period. Well you could imagine what's going to go on. next right. Hatfill does sign the agreement in november of two thousand seventeen. So we're now about six months or so after this whole chain of events has started Another agency the department of natural resources. A conservation officer For the department of natural resources gets in touch with hatfield who has an illegal bait pile on his property. The officer explains to hatfield. Look i've given citation to your brother. hatfield tells the officer. Look if you give me a citation. I'm gonna lose my job and conservation officer allows hatfield to clean up the bait pile. Didn't issue a citation and hatfield says nothing about the wholesome to his employer which finds out about it. Anyway about a month later Interviews hatfield hatfield denies having any encounter with law enforcement. Off eventually comes. Clean explains his actions And the city offers have field choice between resignation and termination because of his dishonesty and also some insubordination. During an internal affairs interview hap- feel chose to accept termination so he could file a grievance and e mails peo- am and the business agent and And says look i wanna file a grievance and the business agent response now. We're not going to do so. It's an f. o. P. issue even though the f. o. P. is no longer or presenting employees at the time of Hatfields termination so happy. He'll files on unfair labor practice. Charge against both the city and peo- am saying he. Oh am you breach. Sure duty of fair representation by failing to grieve. My demotion termination in this case bounces around a little bit and the states State employment relations commission But eventually the employment relations commission fines that peo am did in fact breaches studio fair representation and since the case to an administrative law judge To arbitrate the merits of hatfields termination. And if the city failed to consent to the arbitration the The labor commission says po am should be required to pay all of hatfields. Backpay that too much for o. Am which appeal sat. Decision to the michigan court of appeals and the court of appeals fines. The commission's order to sweeping why because in the event that the city doesn't go to arbitration. All the damages said the court should not necessarily be by peo- am And here's the words of the court merck. The commission's order essentially eliminated the requirement that hap- feel must establish that his grievance had merit for p. o. A. m. to be to pay back bay because should the city choose not to arbitrate the issue. A po am Nation peo- a. Am would be responsible for damages. Without a determination that the grievance had merit this also gives the city enormous incentive to place all the damages on p. a. m. by simply refusing to arbitrate the grievance. Now here's the most important sentence. Such an outcome contradicts the national labor relations board teachings that are union should only pay for the portion of damages caused by its failure to represent not the employers wrongdoing and the commission sends the case back down or should i the court of appeal since the case back down to the commission to figure that all out. So how are damages normally apportioned in these cases. What portion of the damages in this case. Let's assume hatfield was wrongly terminated. What portion of the damages would be attributable to the city and what would be attributable to the union and the usual rule of thumb. Here is that the city would be liable for all the back. Pay up to the point. Where the union breached its duty of fair representation. So that would mean up. To the point. In this case where peo am decided not to take the grievance star betray shen from that point forward all the damages are on the peo- am that's how portion of damages work. Okay now the other f. Our case that i want to talk about is Involves very very basic and diaw our principal that is not widely understood and that is that the duty affair representation only applies in settings where the union is the exclusive representative for employees. So let's go to the case here. This is florida case. Decided by somebody holds the status of general counsel for florida's public employment relations commission. This is an unfair labor. Practice charge filed by marcus brinson. He's an ira investigator for the university of florida police department department and he's a member of the pba. The police benevolent association of florida brinson and his role as i. A investigator Conducted an investigation into allegations of bias by one university police officer against another and as part of that investigation branson and his compatriot another i. A investigator conducted meeting with the subject of the investigation. And officer by the name of doyle following that meeting doyle files a complaint with the police chief alleging that brenston violated his rights under florida's law enforcement officers bill of rights The police chief starts what's called a compliance review and it ends up. Sustaining the allegations against brinson. So branson then files a duty of fair representation charge alleging that the pba representative the representative for doyle. So the pb as representative in the ira interview being conducted by brinson fail to provide good representation to doyle during the internal affairs. Mating and the charged goes on to say had the pb a representative provided knowledgeable representation. There never would've been a complaint that the bill of rights was violated. And i never would have been found out of compliance with the police departments rules and the charge went on to say that the ppa's demeanor during the meeting was calculated to pressure brinson into making a mistake and violating doyle's rights. You can't make this stuff up right But that's what the facts are. In this case the general counsel makes very short work of dismissing brinson. Unfair labor practice complaint and he does so on the basis that is probably leaping to all of your minds right now and that is if the pb has duty fair representation in this whole situation. It's to doyle not bernson. Brenston doesn't have standing to raise an allegation Concerning doyle's writes in through this unfair labor practice church but now to the point that. I'm i wanna talk about this case. Now to the point second point raised. By the general counsel general counsel said look even brinson had standing the i a investigation didn't involve negotiation of collective bargaining agreement or the enforcement of the agreement through the grievance procedure and i'm quoting therefore the pb as conduct with respect to that assistant assistance does not implicate the pba's duty fair representation because the pba was not acting in an area over which had had exclusive control in other words under florida's bill of rights. Doyle could've had the pba ass. His representative in fat doyle did have the representative on there by his side but he could have had other people under the bill of rights he could have had a private attorney or some other representative representative therefore the union was not the exclusive representative for doyle in that interview and if the union is not the exclusive representative. There is no duty of fair representation. It's not just that the duty. Fair representation isn't breached. There is no duty a fair representation to begin with now. This principle has fairly. Broad applicability There's a an older. It gets about twenty years old Decision from minnesota court of appeals holding that in a louder mill hearing a due process hearing because an officer was allowed to have his own private attorney represent him in that louder mill. Haring there was no duty of fair representation and the union couldn't be held liable for what happened in that. Louder mel hearing there are times when unions fire unions police unions whoever get a request from a member. Hey we want you to provide assir. Representations representative for workers compensation claims no duty a fair representation because employees can veep represented by their own attorney In a worker's compensation claim same with members had come to a union saying i want representation in a criminal case or i want to sue somebody who was injured me on the job. You can think of a wide variety of different circumstances where the answer and the analysis is always going to be the same no duty of fair representation. So where is the duty of fair representation in existence. It's where the union is the only. Ntt that can represent the employee and that is almost exclusively into four. I in negotiating the contract. Only the union negotiate contracts and secondly in processing grievances usually to the arbitration step Because most labor grants only allow the union they do not allow individuals to seek arbitration. Those are the two primary areas where the duty of fair representation exists. I want to close the case that is not a vaccination case but has implications for Mandatory vaccination programs So the broad topic of this case is who gets to choose the reasonable accommodation under the americans with disabilities. Act the employer or the employee. This is a case that comes out of the department of veteran affairs. Medical center in saint cloud minnesota. It involves a police officer for the center by the name of jesse leblanc and the department uses what it calls a panama schedule. I never heard of a panama schedule at least by this name before this case and under a panama schedule officers work in teams of two and in a two week period. Two teams will work only day chefs from eight p and two teams will work only night shifts from eight p. to eight then in the next two week period the two teams that worked day shift will work nights chips and the two teams that work nights shifts workday ships by the way parenthetically. The scientific evidence is compelling that fat sort of shift structure rotating days and nights every two weeks well have a detrimental impact on the longevity of officers not longevity as police officers but longevity on this earth. There's a lot of evidence that rotating chefs are the unhealthiest ships. You can have their even unhealthier than extremely long chefs. Okay back to the cast. So in two thousand seventeen la block is diagnosed with something called vestibular dysfunction and as a result he suffers from dizziness and loss of balance and some related symptoms and his disease begins to progress and leblanc becomes concerned. That schedule The panama schedule he was working was actually making the symptoms. Worse was exacerbating the so the department. She's made block goes to the apartment and asked the department to accommodate his disability What does he want. He wants a work schedule with a stable pattern. Rotating days and nights limited nightshifts limited overtime limited weekend shifts and the ability to call in for sick leave on short notice if needed plus the ability in the course. His job to limit distractions so the department gets worked by us. What that does of course is to trigger. The department's obligation under the american swiss disabilities act to again the dialogue process of looking for a reasonable accommodation The exchange of information that is mandated by the ada and the department offers low block and interim accommodation while it is considering his request for permanent accommodation and the interim accommodation tells leblanc you'll be placed on a day shift rotation distributed in a fair and equitable manner over the seven days of the week for a period of three months so that we can determine the effectiveness of that accommodation in alleviating your condition. And so we can assess the impact on the workflow and On the bargaining unit now the departments attorney then gets into the act of evaluating leblanc's permanent requests for accommodation and the department's attorney says. I advise against that. Because the collective bargaining agreement that covers leblanc and all police officers a mandates days off the rotated in a fair and equitable manner among all affected workers and the attorney's reasoning is if the department gave block his requested accommodation his colleagues sued half to work extra weekend as an extra night shifts. Good file valid grievances. Now parenthetically is that a basis to turn down a requested accommodation up. Yeah it is. If in fact granting nat accommodation would violate the collective bargaining agreement. Actually the us supreme court has ruled on this issue and has held that for an accommodation to be reasonable under the ada. It has to be one that does not impose an undue hardship on the employer and that forcing the employer to violate a collective bargaining. Agreement is an undue hardship which makes the accommodation per se on reasonable. So this attorney's advice is absolutely correct and based on the advice department. Nc interim accommodation and assigns leblanc to a position as a transportation assistant at the veterans administration. So is being transferred out of his job essay police officer into a job as a transportation assistant low block initially accepts the accommodation but then he learns that he plays first on the scoring of an oral board for the position of training instructor back in the police department and the police chief after he sees leblanc places. I here's a rumor that leblanc had said somewhere in the process that he would run away from gunfire achieved decides to hold a second round of interviews for the training instructor position. This time. La la places second and isn't given the position blocked quits joins the private sector and soothes. The under the americans with disabilities act and claimed you should place me permanently on some version of that interim accommodation the non rotating shifts on the light and a federal court That here's this case ends up rejecting leblanc's contentions and why Does the court rejected the contentions. They the court says this. And i'm quoting after considering the relevant facts and circumstances the. Va determined that. It could not reasonably accommodate leblanc in his current position and that reassignment wasn't appropriate and justified. Course here it comes. Even though leblanc would have preferred an accommodation that kept him in his police officer position. He was not entitled to an accommodation of his choice. So what that means is if there are a multitude of reasonable accommodations out. There accommodation want accommodation to accommodation three. The employer gets select which accommodation will be given to the employees. Not the employee so long as whatever it is. The court picks is a reasonable accommodation. That decision will be upheld. And it is case Part of the americans with disabilities. Act the part that That gives us. Examples of what reasonable accommodations are actually says transfer to a vacant position As the court says the veterans administration had the full right to assign low block to that job and not put the the a in a position where it would have to breach. The police officers collective bargaining agreement. Vitamin say this says vaccination implications because those exemptions that you commonly see in mandatory vaccination programs a medical exemption and the religious exemption. They not give the employee a free pass. All they do is obligate. An employer to reasonably accommodate the employees medical condition or religious views and the employer doesn't taff to offer an accommodation that will eat her causes it an undue hardship or will expose the public per fellow employees To an unsafe condition So what is going to happen with all of these employees who are turning in request for exemption under mandatory vaccination programs is. They're going to go through this the. Ada calls it an interactive process. That la block went through in minnesota They're going to go through this process. Exchange information with the employer to find out if there is somewhere day can work without being vaccinated and since the the employers who are adopting mandatory vaccination programs are doing so on the basis that a pandemic exists and it is very important to have everybody vaccinated. They're going to be. I think very limited opportunities for reasonable accommodation if an employer wants to draw a line in the sand the employer could offer the accommodation that many employees are asking for and that would be an accommodation of masking and frequent testing but the employer might be able to say even with masking and frequent testing. You're too much of a safety risk. And we don't have to put in place and accommodation that that has an impact on the safety of the public our fellow employees or the employer could say something like okay well except the notion that there should be frequent Testing and masking. But you're gonna have to pay for the testing and the testing's going to have to be on your own dime and you're not going to be able to work in a front line position. You're not going to be able to work a uniform corrections officer police officer or a suppression firefighter instead. You're going to have to work some other job. That might be on some other schedule. All of this by way of saying am seeing any of these cases yet but all of this by way of saying we're going to see a lot of action over these were reasonable accommodation cases in the courts. I think over the next few years as all the long tail on mandatory vaccination cases After we run through that long tail okay. That's it for the october. Twenty twenty one edition of first thursday. Hope you join us for next month's edition first thursday and also for you people who simply cannot get enough of vaccination that table. I told you we posted on our website. We're going to do a special podcast. It'll be part of our premium. Podcast series where i will go through all the legal arguments in fairly great detail Probably spend an hour or so going through the legal arguments and how courts are resolving all those arguments Look forward to a notice that that we will. I'm sure email out to half of the western world so without thank you for joining us for first thursday and this is will aitchison signing mouth.

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TRAVEL - Return to the Coca-Cola Trail with Larry Jorgensen

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TRAVEL - Return to the Coca-Cola Trail with Larry Jorgensen

"A new year brings a new beginning for all my listeners. That own a business. I want to tell you about fedex office. If you're just starting or have been running your company for generations fedex. Office gives you the best way to print. Marketing materials posters signed edge graphics. And so much more with fedex creating editing saving and ordering fast and easy we are teaming up with fedex pago to bring our listeners thirty percent off your next or one hundred dollars or more at pago dot co slash fedex. That's pago dot co slash fedex for thirty percent off your next order fedex. The world on time health parenting finance travel home improvement. This is the suburban folk podcast. Welcome to the suburban vote podcast. I'm greg reuter shumur your host. Today we have a returning guest. Larry jorgensen and he was a guest back on episode twenty telling us about his book the coca cola trail and he's back with they new book. Which is the return to the coca cola trail. So i'm really excited to hear about the new towns. The new artifacts dare. I say the different landmarks that are highlighted in the book and interestingly enough our last touch base was almost exactly a year ago before twenty twenty really got underway with all of the fun things that have happened so heck any conversations i can have that highlight travel and especially domestic travel which is probably where. We're all going to be for a little while. I'm all about so larry. Thanks for taking the time to join me again today. Well we appreciate the opportunity to come back. Could you talk about travel. Had a gentleman contact just this week. Who is already planning his travel for the summary. Said we're getting back on the road and he said there's two places that you've got the work i'm have to go see so hopefully we're all going to be traveling again. My wife is a physician so she was one of the first to be able to the vaccine. Gosh i guess at this point. It was a couple of weeks ago. So i'm seeing a little bit of it moving along so hopefully everybody's getting to that point and yeah we get back to some amount of normalcy with travel of course just day to day now. Wh- i know when you and i connected before this book was already in the works. Did cove it and lockdowns mess with your timeline. Or anything like that. Too bad because By that point. I had done a lot of the travel and We had that kind of research done where i needed additional. Fortunately i was able to find people in the area that would Murdoch for me What was missing and get me some photos. I've i've throughout. Both books gotten a lot of help from historical associations museums and just people that are fans of coca cola. That families of generations of coca cola. Been a big help including both books together. As far as all of the towns in general. I wanna see you made it to most. Maybe not all of them. Was that similar. This time around. I made it to one. That i felt were important to the book. And they're all important but a lot of them. There's a lot more detail and a good example is dothan alabama. Where not only did i spend several days there but the daughters one lives in alabama and one who lives in florida who are the Granddaughters of the original person who built and operated the plant actually came to dothan to meet with me and share their family history so that was a wonderful experience than we do. Talk about it in. The book could help photos of them. And what's happened to that cocoa plant so it's a yeah a lot of a lot of the ones that i thought needed the attention. We made every effort. We could get their Gives them that attention and of course that was presumably before we all sort of locked into our houses. Well let's jump into some of the highlights. That i noted one of the first stories reminded me of the first book. Which is the green coca cola bottle and how that all came to be. So maybe that's a good place to kick us off again. Folks have listened to the first episode that you were on that will have heard about how the green bottles came together in. That competition has become now iconic. But do you want to remind folks about that story and how that came to be while. I think the interesting thing that we didn't talk about in the book is how the why the bottle is green. And that's another one of those places that i went to visit the town of greencastle indiana now. The name of the town has nothing to do with the color of the bottle. Except that's why that's where it happened. greencastle is about fifty miles from tara and tara as we said in the first book where the root glass company was and where the bottle was developed was actually won the competition in the first bottling was done greencastle is site and this is where we get into the greencastle chapter in book number two where the route modeling company owned a sand quarry and they were bringing the material the sand they were processing there grinding it all deter to make the bottles why is it turned out the sand from greencastle had certain minerals in it which when glass was made actually created that green tint of coca cola when they approve the bottle like that color so much they actually gave a name they called a german green and then they thought now we'll give it a better name they called a georgia green because of georgia. Yeah no but it was. Ironic was created because of that particular sand in greencastle and we do have photos in the book of the the the milling of the of the sand and so forth but the neat thing is when other bommel manufacturers were then allowed. Licensed whatever to produce the coca cola bottle. The company said he must have the green tea into it. And if you're saying you can't do that at the minerals to make a do that. So it sort sorta happened by happenstance and it became tradition to how the green bottle. I have to jump back up again. I'm going to memory lane to your point about the name german the timeframe everybody's mind i guess goes right to world war two. The term german wasn't well received. I feel like in the timeframe which again i think is something. That's noted in both details of the story at one. Other thing i had to notes it was for this action on atlantic iowa. I think you're planning on going to one of the coca cola festivals with the first book into get in touch with more people that presumably. You've talked to put the books together. I wanna say if i'm testing my that was in minnesota not in iowa but i did note that they have coca-cola days which again is a big reminder of how universal the coca-cola brand is it was an iowa and we did go. Atlantic iowa is west of the moineau lord couple of hours. I guess the we're best way to describe it. It's a neat little farming town and it just you know. They sort of fell in love with their coca cola. Bodmer and it evolves that coca cola company right now that bottler is one of the few independent bottlers in the country that has grown to the extent where they're bottling they're canning their covert covers several states with their distribution and it's unlike so many bottlers which merged the off by the bigger guys and so many of your bottlers right now really are simply distributors. The product is made in one place in. Its trucked all over to the different. What used to be bottling places that are now simply warehouses you know so atlantic they have this big once a year coca cola festival at its. It's a show We did exhibited the show. It's a traitor. Show all coca cola collectors of the country soon. I go there. And so we exhibited in the show soil a few books but more importantly have the opportunity to meet with and tour the coca cola plant there and to learn the history of that company. It's an amazing company on the family which originally started the company. A hundred and thirty five years ago started out in making ice an ice cream and in nineteen sixteen they bought a company that Basically an ice cream company and buying that come at that time what they were doing is they. Were making sodas orange. Whatever you know. They bought this ice cream company and they found in the safe a contract. That company had signed with coca cola to be distributors in that area but had never done anything about it so they will try aunt so they started. They bought some syrup. They started bodily coca cola and in iowa. That time coca cola wasn't well known you know that was nineteen sixteen and coca cola was pretty much interest southern thing in the early nineteen hundreds so they had to work to convince people to try it. They'd send out a case of Mixed sodas in oranges lemons and so forth they'd slip in a couple cokes in there to get people to try it in the wintertime. Of course it gets cold in atlantic iowa. They go to the grocery stores and they get the trees. Boxers of the trees came in. Put him out on the windowsill. Pack full of snow and put some coca cola bottles in there so the coke would be cooled and people could buy cold coca cola. Virtually took off and the company grew the acquired other territories. And they are. They're huge right now. And they're and they're one and it still tyler. Sam louis jim tyler. Who is Was a little boy when it all started is still the in charger. Of course his son is running gyms in his nineties now and gave me a tour of the plant and Just an amazing man. He has he said. You wanna see my toy. I said sure and we go to this big garage within the plant and there's a huge. Rv that motorhome it and he gets in and drives to to alabama football games and all kinds of things. He's just an amazing person. I had a chance to the coca cola collectors convention and and the whole thing was just a wonderful experience they they normally hold it in the fall last year. Twenty twenty because of you know what they had to cancel it but look for next year. I'm sure next fall on atlantic and it's not atlanta it's atlantic iowa We'll have an if you're all interested in coca-cola but almeida jets wanted to make is it in september i think is what i read arena was shipped. I would need to look back at my notes. But i think once term was early fall and it was just a great time to be at atlantic. It wasn't snowing yet and atlantic is it's odd it's on the interstate highway. What is that eighty. I guess and It's not too far from the work you know. So you're a poll counter under the into the hinterlands. One of the things we saw in atlantic besides coca cola too big producer of ethanol and of course they have a lot of rana corn out. So gotta do something with exactly also of notes the book. Maybe i'm stating the obvious. But it's very familiar to the first where you've got these certain towns or a specific theme for example we'll talk about the signs together and within each of these stories especially the fact that these are independent bottlers in most cases you get to hear just like you mentioned with atlantic. The families that again. It's hard to imagine. Took a chance on coca cola but hey there was a period where people didn't actually know exactly what it was and then you can see the small business story for each one of these families in the different towns. You have going on. Dare i say a connection again to lockdowns as it sounds like more and more people are ready to take a chance to do their own. Small business thing. I know i've had a lot of different folks on that. Have talked about being entrepreneurs and things like that so these are some stories that you can latch onto. If that's a world that you're heading into or just very interested again in the history. Obviously that it will be the specific families that took a chance and made some part of what coca cola now. So i just mentioned the signs and again i know. That's a section highlighted in the first book as well all of the memory. Delia and basically what is americana. It seems like with the various coca cola sign edge other types of memorabilia so specifically you have a section about georgia and what all they have done in some of the programs there and then in the back of the book there is the sos or save our signs section. So tell me a little bit about those and what do you think has spawned the interest in those restorations. Why think the coca cola sign restoration. Signs were still unique and there are actually original. Works of our thirties outside our and communities you can have a a warm fuzzy feeling about something. You've enjoyed and coca cola. People enjoyed and the signs on the wall. And every time you go by it you know it was like boy enjoyed that so it was a combination of wonderful pieces of art and warm ceilings. Memories that they brought back that community said wait a minute. We gonna preserve these part of our history. It's part of our people and because of that connection they've had fundraisers There's a numerous communities that have really spent a lot of time raising the money to restore the signs. I think one of the ones in the back of the book we talk about. The albeit in michigan were the sign in fact is on a huge sign. It's on a building that is over. That overhangs the kalamazoo river had the effort. They had to go to to restore that. But i what are the cute sayings that i enjoy caillebotte of that when the sign was painted on the building the building had previously. Been all the home of Appiano store guy sold pianos and flood came on and flooded out the bottom part of the store and there were actually pianos florida. We've been told the out floating down the kalamazoo river and the quote. That i thought was. Classic is one of the fishermen who saw payload float by said welsh tuna piano. But you can't tuna fish. You know pretty pretty cute. But i mean could we grow a great effort to restore these and i think georgia an example. You talk about the chapter in georgia. An art professor at the university of georgia got his students together and they formed a little group called the color of the world bright and they have gone around the state contracting making a ringlets with communities that have these signs that need to be restored and the that chapter tells about the different communities. Were they've gone. What the sign looked like before it was restored what it looks like now and and wyatt was restored. That and it's amazing. The effort is communities have gone to save our signs. You know it's a. Here's a the university. Professor this got his students involve as a learning process and then pick up a few bucks in the process. It's a great into into a wonderful thing to have the coca cola bureau zelter. I also picked out the very end of the section with georgia and specifically for columbus georgia. There's the picture of birthplace of coca cola so it sounds like there's well. Let's hope a friendly competition between columbus in atlanta claiming the birthplace of coca-cola. Can you tell me a little bit about that. In who wins f i. I'm a underdog guy. So i'm pulling for columbus. Well actually i guess it depends who you listen to. the supposedly. the truth of the matter is pemberton. invented the cer- created the surf's when he was in fact a druggist in calm. Okay and he went to. He moved to atlanta. Took the formula with him. And that's where it was actually produced. I think the backup the underdog story here One of the x. Archivist from coca cola on mr mooney goes with the theory that yes it was not in the developed in atlanta. It wasn't vetted in columbia and columbus that here that says that's why story up stick to it so i guess it was. I probably put on sale in atlanta and that little drugstore where it was sold for medicinal purposes supposedly and it went from there so let them both fight over. They both have monuments and statues to to the birth of coca cola. Long as we've got it in the right state. I guess that's another task for people that are following your book and trying to go on the coca cola trail maybe they can go to atlanta. They can go to columbus and decide for themselves who gets which piece of the pie. And i in turn will get to see a good amount of the state of georgia so that that's a good point. At least they're not too far from each other that you could do that. Comparison in columbus to while they're there. There's a lot of pemberton memorabilia. They're supposedly worked in his home. And there's a lot of coca cola industry in columbus georgia trip. And i i know i keep referencing. It's a theme that we talked about before. That's another one of the things i like about. The book is these are towns that people might not have on their bucket lists otherwise but there are a lot of historical items to appreciate in again especially with what we face this last year. It's a better time than any other time to realize. There's a lot of cool stuff in your backyard again. I'm in virginia. So there are certainly towns that get into the western side of the state that i need to put on my list and we were just in the smoky mountains for me the first time actually this past year as kind of stay and clearly there are some tennessee. Towns that are highlighted. plenty of tennessee. Towns that you can find out a lot more and what their history is one piece. I have to ask you about 'cause i am a star wars fan and it's around the coca museums and the co so. Tell me what that is. And what exactly occurred. They had to abandon it. I'm imagining some kind of cease and desist the colbert and you can see three of them at a museum in decatur illinois again. That museum is a case of coca cola collector hobby get out of control and he actually bought antiques. Store and a railroad deported to establish museum. But getting back to the story of the bhatt if you remember from star wars ours are two d- to this neat little guy at all and coca cola took advantage of that popularity and the created the co bought coca-cola robot and he was in fact a little coca-cola a town with coca cola bottles for feet and so forth and it was it was a robot could move into our own ghetto. Control it and the I really did look a lot like at our duty to and then go kinds of violence with it and the The surface of the coca-cola can actually had a changeable. You could order a different package and you could make a coca cola colbert or you could make it a sprite co bhatt or a mellow yellow or whatever and there are three of them in this museum in decatur illinois they were developed in the seventies and they were fairly quickly. The project was abandoned by coca-cola and the gentleman who runs a museum said he hit the story yard was a there was a little pushback from the folks at star wars on those Infringement type thing and so consequently the co bod has become a very rare and expensive collector's item and here's this museum in illinois. He's got three of them. You know so. It's a pretty neat thing to see and again it's coca cola taking advantage of a popular situation and marketing with it. I did the same thing and it's again. It's in that museum with levi's they created six or seven levi van jones which became prizes. And these were the. The old custom vans gentle with all the goodies. And they were carpeted inside and and they were included levi material as part of the decorations inside and they were paying outside I think there were six of those. The gentleman and has a museum ultimately found three of them and has kept one and resold the other two and it's on display museum so go a has always been known you know to to capitalize. I mean look at christmas as anybody that has kidnapped santa cars you know. They created the santa clause. Everybody who's familiar. The image was created in nineteen thirty one by coca-cola artist and that santa in various coz various forms has moved on since to a point where you may recall two christmases ago. The post office issued for stamps with seneca's on them. They were in fact. Coca-cola santa's didn't go cool the stamps you know And so that's an example and further than that with coca-cola and chris was you have the the the golden goal. A trucks the big truck. Christmastime these huge semi is rolling into town. Right they're all decorated. And i mean in that world wide. I saw a message from a coca cola collector in england and he was anxious to find out what the roots was going to be for. The truck said christmas. So it's a big deal. And charlie brown charlie brown christmas the original one wanting to happen if coca-cola stepped up and said we think that's a great idea and came up with the money to make it happen and charlie brown's christmas lives on because of coca cola. They again what's what's a softer spot in your heart. that christmas. Why not could coca cola with it. And they have been very successful in that to continue that same point i when i was reading that section and you highlight springfield tennessee which i guess they call it. Christmas done brighton. It's all that section that you go over the Synonymous name of coke in christmas in the way. They've done that one that i didn't see in there that i definitely remember growing up. Are the polar bears the coca cola bears. Because i don't know when exactly they came out. But i feel like it was when i was of an impressionable age so that was what i was thinking of in a mike. That's actually one. I don't think i saw a good point. Maybe book number three. We didn't spend a lot of time on the rarer but the fact is they're almost as famous as santa claus and they're back every year lovable and you know did you are of his commercial issuer or solid gauze rescue dad and drove the big semi truck and brought dad. Back home to the little girl. That's classic here. Santa driving one of the big cola is so they touched all bait. They got santa. Got the big semi and the girls wish was to bring dead home for christmas at santa in the truck brought him home. What we cover all the heartstrings here. Yeah i don't know why. But i'm thinking of all the bad press. Mcdonald's used to get about appealing too much to kids but a little bit of that. Same vein again. Yeah reading that section even just thinking of my own experience yes definitely it is. It's synonymous with christmas in the holiday. That is part of it. Seems like most americans at least experience and going back to the christmas done bright. Can you talk a little bit about springfield tennessee. Yeah that's where. I was going to drop off the christmas done bright. It's a very unique company was a mom and dad. They started this basically in the basement and we started building. Led christmas lights and it just got so popular that they bought. What at that. Time was the abandoned coca cola bottling plant in springfield to expand their business and it continued to grow last year. Not not this past christmas. But the christmas before when we were all able to move around that coca cola plant explicit narrow. The home of christmas done right. That's where the name comes from all these beautiful. La do displays it. They make new ones for the home or big commercial. Wonder whatever that plant was part of the community's christmas tour of homes and people just want to see it and people will the lady that the the runs the business told me she said is many people came to see the displays as came to see the plant and they all had memories of the cola plant. So it's a again. It's ed coca cola memory thing but it. If you're in springfield have a reason to be there. It's a chance to see it all coca cola plant and to see some great crossley ship in la dean displays wonderful place. That's actually a great segue to one of my other notes. Something that i felt like was a theme for this book more so even than the last one was the different places that were repurposing the coca cola buildings typically the bottling plants for concert venues and i know another one for like wedding venues a gathering hall which i really liked because again. It's one of these ways to bring people to a specific history but it's made relevant for today's social scene community. Whatever you wanna call it. Can you talk a little bit about those efforts to that are almost neighboring. In alabama one is in andalusia and the other is in dothan. I think they're probably sixty seventy miles apart. The woman dolts and then we've mentioned that earlier is the one where stanhope elmore was actually than the us. The one that started that plant and he in fact was a brother-in-law to william mellon graph of the famous bone graphs coca cola families on his sister had married william mellon grafton williams ideal of the stanhope got involved that he was already helping out and he expanded and when it adults and plant has been purchased by a gentleman who provides as a career protective service for entertainment so civilities it brings into detectives of the guards and so forth. If you're having a big concerts ablaze and you thought would also need something like this. And from there. He bought the plant which seemed for years sitting empty and they created this wonderful entertainment facility. The ironic thing about dothan is elmore then also went on later to become involved in a plant in ottawa kansas now in ottawa kansas. That plant is the one that you briefly referred to as a winnings wedding in other events center and ended. they've done a beautiful job in converting that into a facility an event facility and the ironic thing about all of that which we mentioned in the in that chapter a man who was going to have is class reunion. I think maybe forty fifty s. I don't recall the number at that. Facility had been a youngster when his granddad ran the plant at. I actually have a picture of him. There's probably four or five years old dressed in a little coca cola of but here. He is at his class reunion in replant. It is his hand. dad ran. And it's just there's so much of the ties again but could you imagine the memories. The that in itself brought yellow for that that particular individual again. It's it's coca cola memories We talk about the science of the places in the. We'll go north on your hutchison kansas. There's a big sign. Big merle there's been painted on the wall of the hardware store that mural represents aren't work that was done by a coca cola artist who started out painting signs for coca cola on the side of buildings and trucks and so forth later became an internationally famous wildlife artist. Less coma is his name cool. I may be pronouncing it. Ron and the sign this huge side on its hardware store in hutchison is one less did the showed stages when he did the original the stages of his life and it shows him painting a sign on the side of an old store. Which actually it's one that he did then. It shows him a going on in life know doing more paintings and ultimately chose him sitting on the porch of that store. Carving a duck a duck decoy. And it's such a classic painting the the local artist who is funneled this particular painting a all of his lies decided as a tribute to me. Wanted to redo the painting as mural on the side of this hardware store. It's a fantastic thing. But there's a secret coca cola story in their the when when they artist with less was very on pending signs for a living. He was called to georgia to in georgia to paint a sign a coca-cola bureau on mobile park on the wall and the wall of the ballpark and he painted so many coca cola signs a noodle logo so well that he could actually paint it upside down and backwards. Georgie would do for fun just to show people well when he got to just in georgia he told the coca cola distributor there. He said you know. I'll pay this for you. But that that logo needs a little help and the and the distributors will go ahead. Do what you wanna do so. He added a little depth to that sabres coca cola script logo that we all know added a little depths to it and the distributor who had hired him. Why did and it was that far from atlanta so he called the people at coca cola corporate in atlanta said come look at this and they came up and move data when back to atlanta at a couple days later they showed of again in tipton check in hand and malta rights to reproduce that local as we know now from that artist from minnesota because he had added just the ride just the thing as they say to the coca cola logo so those little pieces of history that come out when you start doing this and you find out coca cola is everywhere and i think i'm more aware of it now by virtue of you and i have in conversation but it is absolutely true that you can find it everywhere and again it feels uniquely american even though it is of course an international worldwide brand the end of the book or towards the end. You talk about the last bottle. And hopefully i'm saying this right. You can correct me. It's basically the last time that has six ounces in change. I want to say is the bottle size but was created in. Sounds like all of it was spoken for as memorabilia. Collectibles that eventually got distributed. I thought that was really interesting. Story and again. I think hearkens to the history and people's attachment to the brand minnesota and another northern story. Not here but the coca cola bottler in winona had been actually bottling the six and a half ounce bottle forever you know. And it's gotten to the point. Nobody was bottling money. War and there was so much consolidation of bottling what had consolidated nobody did the six and a half ounce he continued to do them and there is to this day a demand for that little bottle and you will find it in the stores when it's now the bottles is probably made in mexico or someplace who knows. He decided to make the last run of the six. And a half ounce. He actually had to go out and seek who the that bottle because nobody was making you would get it from collectors and people that had the bottles and so forth to get enough to make that final run a couple thousand and invited people to come. You know to to purchase that last bottle. The last run one of the people that purchase did purchase the very last one and he was a coca cola. Bottler in saint cloud minnesota pita thousand dollars for that bottled coca-cola those a couple years ago i talked to him and he said i've got it locked away and it's not for sale The other bottles in that run were each sold. I think for either ten or fifteen dollars. Each and the money went to help a trail that was being developed along the mississippi river hiking trail. It was totally of a. You know a a nonprofit situation when he made the bottles and again it was. It was kind of ironic because one of the people who attended it was randy mayo. Who we talk about randy in the first book is of one third or fourth generation beaten harn. The of course. Were the first ever bottle. Coca-cola index berg on the north part. I mean on the south part of the mississippi river. Right so here's randi goes up through the northern part as far north as you go on the mississippi for the last bottling of the coca cola bottle so it's kind of a unique history that he was there for it and and he made a little made a few comments at the ceremony and then several people from cocoa corporate for their for that event so it was pretty neat little event for minnesota. It fits all of the themes that we're talking about for maybe an area that doesn't get a huge amount of tourists or other focus. That's a cool event and again Brings all the history together also from the independent bottlers like you mentioned. And if people want to hear more information about the beaten horns we talk about it in our last episode and of course that's very well documented in the first book so i recommend people go read that and also listened to our last chat together. We've come traveling in one of these days. It'll all gonna be traveling again. One of best migrations is the snow bird. Migration that goes from north to florida every early stage until spring. You know well. If you're in the sue bird migration there's a place in his in mind walk and it sexual baby because they were wonderful. People in fort walton beach florida. There's a place called the buccaneer shop buckner gift shop. It is without adult. The largest place i've ever seen for coca cola collectors and memorabilia and they have their besides anything you could think of. That's not not the news of its memorabilia. Stuff in back of that store. There is a huge. It must be twelve feet tall coca cola bottle that you can get your picture taken standing next to this giant coca-cola products they actually when the store i think was celebrating its thirtieth anniversary. He actually went to coca cola corporate and had a bottle produced with the store logo on it which he said. It took forever to convince coca cola to do that because they don't normally do bottles in towns weather's has been a plant you know. And so he's got some of those still there but is it's the buccaneer into fort walton beach on not being paid his commercial but they're wonderful people and if you're ever down that way need to stop and see gesturing and the riggs family at the bucket or gift shaw very cool and again. We're touching on some of the stories that you highlight. There are many more in both. I as well as the second. The return to the coca cola trail. I think that's all i have for you today again. It was such a pleasure to get to talk to you again before i let you go. Do you want to go ahead. And let folks know where they can get the book if they want to contact you or any other events promotions you maybe have going on the best way to get it. Is you the website that way we we know who you are will autographs and so dental. So it's just the coca cola trail dot com and you could buy both of them in fact Little plug here shameless commercial. If you buy both of them wear a special price would normally the books are twenty two each by a mold at the same time it get baltim- for thirty five and we don't charge shipping coca cola trail dot com. It is available. There's other places on the internet. The at are if you walk into an all countries story or just liable sit on the caller for sale cool and we will definitely put a link to your website on the show notes. So it's easy for folks to get to the end. Grab themselves a copy again. Larry i appreciate you taking the time to join me today and we'll be in touch appreciate it again. The return visit nice. Get called back. You know seconds A good race russia's sort of the year and we'll see what happens in twenty twenty one. Maybe we'll get together. We've all got our fingers crossed. If you enjoyed this episode. Please consider giving us a five star. Review on apple podcast. You can also subscribe on apple spotify or all other major podcasting applications to be notified of our latest episode. You can also join our conversation at suburban folk dot com or any social media site including facebook twitter and instagram at the handle suburban folk. Thanks for listening.

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The Heart of Business with Hubert Joly

What's Next! with Tiffani Bova

32:46 min | 3 months ago

The Heart of Business with Hubert Joly

"Hello everybody. Welcome to this edition of the. What's next live happening today. With someone i admired for many years bear jolie. Thank you so much for joining us today here on. What's next and tiffany. Thank you for hosting listen and look forward to our conversation. Well before we get started for those of you who don't know who he is. Let me read this quick vile. Because i think it's pretty amazing. He's the former chairman and chief executive of best buy and is now a senior lecturer at harvard. Business school he is also a member of the board of directors of johnson and johnson and ralph lauren corporation. A member of the international advisory board of hec patty and a trustee of the minneapolis institute of art. He has been recognized as one of the top. One hundred ceos in the world by harvard business review one of the top thirty. Ceo's in the world by barron's in one of the top ten ceo's in the us by glass door but in all around great guy that should be the ending of that. So thank you again. Yes if figure well before we get started you know for those of you joining us. Please pop in the comments or where you're joining us from. It's always great and if we have somebody from putty please post a question French and who bear will answer it for you but as we get started i always start with something. I call bullish bearish. So are you ready. Bear bless your for it bayrischer against it of course vision right all right. The first one artificial intelligence generated art. Bush who wow even on the board of an art gallery. I'm interested to hear all right. The next one underwater hotels benesch me to all right and then the third is virtual reality shopping use beliefs but not not excited personally but bullish. Okay all right. We'll go with that. Yesterday was the launch of bears book. The heart of business. I have it right here. Having advanced copy so go pick it up. You know if you've loved this conversation or if you're just looking to really learn about somebody's journey so with that. I'd love to start bear with the meaning of work. I think you've got in very interesting perspective. Because i think people understand sometimes why we have to work because we have to pay bills but why we work and the other is the problem with perfection. I'd love to hear your opinion. Yes so most of the spends a large percentage of our life working. So i think the question of why we work is a very legitimate question. Of course you know some of it is. We need the money. Let's agree to get the kids to college to eat and and so forth but there's a self reflection piece here is work a curse or a because some dude seemed in paradise. Is it something we do so that we can do something else who administered. I'd be watching. The vikings beat the green bay packers which sometimes happens not always or is it really something. That's part of our quest for meaning. Is it something that part of our fulfillment is it. Something that can give us joy in meeting our life. I love this quote from the liberty. Sports halil brand. Who said work is love. Made visible in my sense is in the heart of every one of us. Even well you said it was made the force be with us right so star was even vader is son believes the. He's got some good in him still in our hired. There is a desire to do something good in the world it. I think it's magical if we can find this opportunity in our work and we can actually find energy and passionate our in anything. That's the foundation for me of what i see is necessary. Reinvention of business and capitalism will grow the around the notion of purpose meaning businesses are forced for good in placing people at the heart of business. So we'll talk more bags perfection. Oh my god perfection disease. It's a disease. I don't know about everybody's experienced but when i was growing up in france the teachers would spend a little time telling us everything we did wrong knotweed. We did well but we did wrong. And so that led me in this. Many of us read like this to want to excel and be perfect. Confusing performance will progress and perfection. In is a friend of mine who once told me there is among suited to the quest for perfection is evil right it was coming at this from a religious standpoint and saying that the fallen angel it oh who left god's thought he would. It was a he clearly. He thought he could get beyond on his own. Didn't need anybody so perfection means a complete. I don't need anybody else. And here's the problem in business life with perfection. I you know you're not gonna like yourself. Because here's the scoop. You're not perfect. So you actually not gonna like yourself and not gonna like other people on your team. You're gonna have human beings and guess what they're not perfect so they're going to be. That's how i saw it obstacles to achieving something in. That's a sad thing is a mess better outlook which is okay. My name is uber. I'm not perfect. I need help okay. I'm going to ask for help. And then if i see what could league also needs cobweb. We're gonna help each other. You can admire somebody who is perfect you cannot love them in i think in life life is all about human connections and relationships in the only way to open. These relationships is by being vulnerable. Well i think that so much that you said there. Because i think that's aspirational you know. People sometimes don't know how to put that in action and one thing. I wanted to hone in on that. You investing in yourself and how to be better. It's not about being perfect but being better and we share a common friend marshall goldsmith. I'm one of his under coaches and of course he endorsed your book and and i'd love for you to share that a ceo like you right top hundred in the world top thirty top ten all of this. You had a coach and so talk about talk to us about that. Yeah tiffany thank you in the united brothers and sisters from different mother. Maybe but i love that ten fifteen years ago. If somebody had told me jack or mary is working with the coach. What's wrong with them right. Who needs a coach. Are they in trouble. It'd marshall who was my coach studying in two thousand and nine invented the idea of feed forward right so when i joined best buy three months into it things were going well but a told the team look this. Let's agree that this general is going to be difficult. The reason why know it's going to be difficult is everybody thinks we're gonna die. That's how you know each one of us. I don't need to be the best leader we can be stocked with me so my show is gonna come in. It is going to ask you for feedback. Which you know i it. Didn't he gathered. it's and he said there. You don't need to do anything. There's nobody who decides what you should do. You get to decide whether you want to do something in what you want to get better at. Which is a wonderful positive notion. As opposed to six months ago you did this. That was bad cannot change this so went back to my team and say all right. Thank you for all of the feedback. Decided to work on getting better on these things number one number two number three would a follow up with each of you as you for advice on how i can get better at these three things and three or four months from now will full up a second time to see how i'm doing. Of course believe me. Tiffany excruciating pain. Were like me. But dan so helpful. Because i got a ton of ideas in also signalled at the same time to the rest of the team. You know if you need to work on something. that's okay. We'll we're all in this journey in fact if you interview somebody else for embezzling as what are you working on and everybody is working on getting better at something and then we help each other. Because if mike is working on that. I can give him advice and we trade. And so it's a created a culture of progress in vulnerability and camaraderie and mutual support. That was a game changer. In now so away with he perfection and on with wanting to get better in helping each other in in being kinds smells yes rights especially in these times it. You know one of the things. That national does encourages the great advice for everybody in at the end of the day. If you can maybe at the end of the week do some self reflection. Maybe you guys already do this right in the question. That mashal encourages us to ask is do they do my best today. It oh to have a good competition with tiffany or take care of my children or work on agra strategy in do a self assessment. Any self-assessment is not great. Be kind to yourself will tomorrow. You can't let him are. Yes so great advice from a good friend. Marshall marshall. if you're listening yes hello marshal. Well you know we have a connection. Also that i obviously know him at salesforce before that i was at gartner but four that iran a division of gateway computers right when right when the stores closed and we merged with machines and all of a sudden we showed up in retail. Because we've closed our coast our stores right and that was our new go to market model. You know i. It's sad to see that gateway has no longer right in the former whisper of it's you know pass self but during that time i think it was a very different best buy and i talk a lot with people on this show about sort of what they did. And you know how great it was and all the you just shared. But what's really difficult. Now is the how you take a brand like best. Buy that had a particular culture as you said you know. Things couldn't get worse people at pretty much written you off and you have to go in and go all the way from that to what you called back to blue which i covered in my book. Growth iq so maybe take us through. Because the how. I think is what gets really challenging. How do you shift big things like that. When it comes to people process systems culture and the brand yarn. Woody delightfully surprising in amazing resurgence of base base of critics of the entire buzzer. My team today rights with they would. We've done what they've done is nothing short of extraordinary so there was there was phases in our journey. I think it's good to break down. I you know when i was approached to become the ceo was neither crazy. No suicidal. I thought that the world actually needed best buy as customers for some of our purchases. We actually need a place where you can touch feel in cedar products and get advice any supposedly. The vendors nights needed a place where to showcase the food of their billion. Billions of dollars of ryan the vestment and the timing twenty twelve. The problems of the company were self inflicted crisis. Were not competitive. The shopping experience language. Not great customer service experience in the stores not great so good news is if something self inflicted you can fix it. Nobody to blame until the first phase which we called we knew blue was about fixing which was broken out. A lot of advice was cut. Cut guts you. The story in tons of turnarounds people told me close stores fire people love stores where profitable. So you know. And i don't like it when people to paraphrase in ronald reagan would say that people are the problem now. People are the source. There's a solution so you don't have to fix the business a spend my first week working in a store in saint cloud minnesota listening to the frontliners. The add all of the answers so eight before before anything else. I want everybody to hear that. Because i've been you know so many people on the show give out one nugget. Ask better questions and listen right. All right go ahead years. Do i have in. How many mayors have and and so this this so my job was to take notes of what they were talking about. You know they wanted to be able to match online places. They wanted to have a better shopping experience on the side. They wanted to redeploy the The footprints in the stores away from physical media to the growing categories. Then you all of the answers so my job was put it down in endure it. The second thing is indisp- people centric approach firing head in reducing headcount in particular on the front. That's the last resort with. I tried to see how we can grow the company. It's amazing what's up. Land gross can do so the turnaround manual number. One is grow the top line if you could go after cost which we had to and we did take billion dollars of god. Style focus on non-salary expenses. I which is the bulk of the cost structure at most companies in all knee. Reduce headcount if you really need to in as a last resort and then the third element of this people centric approach as a leader and i was a culprit of this things. Think that with mckinsey background till about problem solving coming up with the right answer. In case our role as leader is to create an environment that can leash human magic. It's to create energy in physics. We learned that energies of finite quantity not in human organizations. So that's our role as either sweets about co creating the plan. It's about getting going celebrating. The and early wins talking about the problems with struggling with this. Well let's get a team together to jointly solve this and so that was a big piece. The other thing is that there. There's several big disease in the world. Today there's dependent the covy nineteen pandemic the other one is endemic of zero-sum games. The only way for you to win tiffany on this show is if i lose. That's crazy right now the partnerships with it with the key vendors the world's foam was companies will have all now a store within a store at best buy. That was a game changer. Good for the customers. Good for samsung. Sony apple even amazon has got a presence not store in good for us because it was so many so that was the first phase of our transformation then evolved evolved to defining noble purposeful. The company making it real and then helping everyone at the company right themselves into that story because you see many companies today writes a purpose and then nothing happens. Is there several steps to go from doing that to a time when everybody companies spring in their step. They're fired up. It's like electricity in the doing great things for each other in their customers while they're so they are first before we go on. Please put your questions in whatever platform you're listening to. I just wanted to let you know. We've got people joining from switzerland. We've got somebody katie's from london. Monique from brazil. We've got someone else from the uk. Indiana all rain atlanta sweden. We got people from all over the world. So how fantastic. But there's something about best. Buy that i think people don't realize a lot of that store in the store was really born out of best buy. That's one but there's a great story that i actually covering growth iq. Around how cisco had a product called flip for those of you. Who remember the little flip camera. And john chambers decided. You know we don't wanna do it anymore right so he pulled it now. All of a sudden right best buy shelf space. Who are they gonna put into replace. There was this little scrappy company. Called gopro and who baron team said sure. Come on in and look what has happened right. It wasn't just about what best buy. But that was one of the very first moves to kinda going to mainstream because they were so much about word of mouth in adrenalin junkies. And you don't have that kind of thing that it was a great move and so what do you think retail now where we're at has to do to continue to be this sort of experiential and engaging and interesting to get people to go back to the stores i don't think it's about getting back to the store. My view in it was. It was a turning point during our journey when we went from renewal blue to building the new blue. We actually said we are not a retailer. we're not a consumer electronics retailer. We're certainly not a brick and mortar retail. We define our company based on its purpose neck purpose was to enrich lives who technology by addressing key human needs like entertainment communication health which is of course a much bigger idea. It's inspiring for people in advance the the addressable market in leads you to innovate because in any business it's about innovation for the benefit of particular the customers like for example if your technology needs our bit complex maybe you're redoing your family room or your kitchen handing that in a store online. That's way to complicated yet. We need to come to you. So we developed a new program called in home advisor so bid like a designer will come to you for free will listen to what you need will give it up. A proposal can always say no. If you like. It's in a will implement it and we can become a little bit like your cio. Cto for your home. How cool is that really cool. You may never go to the store which we did. Is we deeply understood. The needs of these human beings were trying to live a life in it may be about entertainment about maybe about the house and come up. Came up with ways to uniquely address. These needs so for me. The definition of a purpose a noble purpose for company is at the intersection of people. Need the human needs. You're trying to address which you're good at which you're passionate about in how you can make money. It doesn't start with by got a full wells to come. Because i don't care. They care about their needs. So you really flip it in as we reinvent business and capitalism around the idea of purpose intriguing profit as an outcome not the goal. I think that having a noble purpose as the northstar in using the ingenuity and creativity and unique tons of people at the company to uniquely address. These these needs. I think that's a winning formula as we exits covet crisis hopefully at some point many companies have been hit right in their top line. So it's not going to be a restart. I think it's a bit like if planet earth have been hit by an nesta read like sixty six million years ago. The dinosaurs are going to die. New species emerge. It's about reimagining your business. Based on this idea of purpose refocusing it play with the puck is going in reconfiguring it using technology in new ways of working that we've learned so much about so that's how that's how i think about it tiffany. Well i and i absolutely agree. And so there's a few things one thing you said is great right not necessarily getting back to the store. You you decided. Let's go meet the customer. Where they are which in this case was in their home right and that requires a very different mindset. You know end so getting your leadership team you know so for those of you listening who might be an individual contributor or you're a mid level manager or your leader or your spying spiring to be one. I think this is the achilles heel. I hear right so many understand. Maybe they need to change. Maybe the brick and mortar needs to connect more to the store or online. Sorry or you may need to do something if you if it's appropriate right where you're going to the home to to serve the customer in a different way but that may create this angst of uh-huh. I'm very comfortable in the status quo. We've been successful doing it. I'm worried about getting it wrong back to the comments. You're making a few minutes ago about perfection. i think that's really scary and challenging for a lot right now is this is a roadmap we don't know and so how do we. How would you suggest people approach these decision points. They have it at this moment now into first of all everybody listening. I'm going to bet leader because everybody's a leader the minimum of their own life. Okay so everybody leads from my standpoint. Now i think the the answer to your questions. Tiffany is the question of would drives us in life. Remember when it was recruiting or looking at promoting somebody would put a lot of emphasis on expertise or experience the best ecommerce person or the best store personal supply chain person increasingly spent time on. Who is this person would drives them would give them energy. What seem what do they want to accomplish in life in. I think that's in business really critical as leaders. We ask ourselves this question. How do we want to be remembered. Redwood would difference. Do we wanna make in that. We are able to connect this with our work. So this is a key question. We ask everybody at best buy ensue. If the purpose you have if you went to define your purposes. I want to be the best running. You don't restore that's one thing but maybe another definition the purpose is. I want to help customers right late. I wanna make a difference in people's lives. Then it's a curiosity. Let's understand what they need right. And how can we make a difference in their life. And how can i use a unique genius in to to make a difference in life. So i think back to this idea of purpose. It's really critical. Now if you're leading a team in you know you're you're trying to learn something new and change then. Of course there would say yes. The purpose question is important but then like with my blue shirts into saint cloud store. We need to give them the tools right invest in their development which by the way is one individual at a time right because the individual needs differ. If we have a tennis pro with coaching fedor in me. Let me tell you my knees difference slightly. So mass training. It's not gonna work so individualized coaching so. Let's give our co workers the tools so that they can do the job in really invest in in in them and they'll appreciated of course. Well i think you are a little unique to your leadership team because what. I really loved when you started to get back to renewed. Flew who you hired a new surrounded yourself with was a little bit and unfortunately this is going to be my comment. It was a little different right. I think you had three or four female leaders and now we have corey perry. Who's the ceo. Right so maybe talk a little bit about like you just said. It wasn't the best ecommerce person or supply chains person. That was what was here. And how are they gonna lead the business and it landed you with. I think wasn't at three or four women. Were in your executive team. Had half of my team where of my direct reports where women and when i left the majority of our board where women also have three black directors there was moments in fact during my time a sea of the company where we have in my office and it would be only surrounded with women. It would him one question now that you guys are the majority and you're gonna be kinder gentler than we were. With a man review the systematic answer was absolutely not big believer. Diverse teams are more effective at so many different levels. Why would you recruit a team from just a quarter of the population with people who look like me. It'd be it'd be crazy. It ended the richness from diversity is just extraordinary. I think that as an example believe it had been leaving rather than sisters as opposed to just lehman brothers would have been a different outcome. Yes and of course in the last few years the issue of systemic racism in this country as you know media to the to the top of business priorities because k. Me this hit what it in. Minneapolis flowing the horrible murder. Of george floyd when the city is on fired you think we can open stores. Tiffany right. how can you run a business if the communities. How can you run a business wave. The planet isn't fight. You can't instill it's indispensable that as business leaders within think that team at all levels be representative of the customers. We want to serve the communities that we remember of in that. We really create an environment where everyone can can feel. They belong that start with each individual wanting to video to time. But then you also have to look at the systemic issues around gender racist necessity in every dimension of humankind. And it's a people have been talking about the rest including for way too long in the sense without getting any significant results so if it's really a business priority which it is. I know one thing. In america in the corporate world wants to say something is a business right. We we know how to get things done. It's not that complicated. It always how you recruit are you promote retain and said you know. Hold yourself accountable. Boards are holding management teams accountable. And there's no going back. I think we have the opportunity to solve some of these. You associates of really deep injustice. It's gonna take time so we have to stay with it but we have to do it and we have the opportunity to do it. Well you know. I think it first of all. I applaud you for all the work. You know it. it doesn't go unnoticed. I think there are more and more. Ceo's were taking these positions. Obviously i work at salesforce mark. Any office a huge proponent of businesses the greatest platform for change in purpose over profit and the business roundtable and all the things around being much more focused on the broader shareholder definition versus just those that are invested. So i thank you for all your hard work on that. But but i also think that people missed the subtlety in your leadership team. Your board people work. There should represent those that you sell to that. Your who your customers. Are you know if women have you know. More than fifty percent of the discretionary spending in some categories it's eighty or ninety percent spending. And then you don't have anybody representing them. You know or african american or its latin. Or it's asian american or it's whatever You know those that are disabled or whatever. The word is whatever. The term category understanding what that looks like. And i don't think we get it all right yet you know and we may never get it all right right but search for perfection but it's about the effort it's about that you show up every day to be kind and be better and hope that your employees represent your brand so much so that your customers love you even more so true. Tiffany absolutely well as we start to wrap this up. I wanna just kind of frame this on a call to action besides going and picking up a copy of the heart of business by mayor. What would be your call to action for all these young leaders and largely companies which your call to action for them. I think that's an thank you so much for helping me spread this this message about how we should lead secretely better more sustainable future because whatever we're doing now is not working right so we truly have to embrace these new principal the key advice for every leader self included doing the time of love down. If you can go outside go inside in a know. How much at salesforce. You guys embrace meditation and self reflection in a window. Bandini hits we really had to slow down in decide would kind of a leader. We wanted to be how we would want to be remembered when this thing would be over it. I think we've seen so many great examples of great leaders at all levels leading from a place of purpose in humanity so first advises go inside and be really clear about who you wanna be with kind of a leader you wanna be and then take care of yourself. Remember tiffany in the old days when we when we used to fly longtime ago when we're told if the when the oxygen masks come down put it on yourself first before you can help others so as we go through these challenging times they're challenging. Let's be very clear. All of this are being managed care of yourself. So whether it's a physical exercise meditation journaling having a personal board of director as we said being kind to yourself in being clear about what can what version of yourself are you trying to be in. Don't hesitate ask for help. my name is in. I need help in by the way. I need help on promoting the ideas in the book so to your points you know. Pick it up. The mike proceeds from the book will go to the best nineteen tech centers that help disadvantaged kids you know. Learn teenagers learn technology skills. So that's a good thing and spread the wealth. I think together we can create a amplify a movement in creates a future that does not exist yet. But that's a we can into need to make more sustainable. So david is helping that campaign that what a great message and i love the fact that you're donating it back to the teens and this next generation and i'm hopeful that this generation can figure this out but i'm really excited about the next generation. Right really pushing us to be better be better leaders be better owners businesses. But they're sort of a fire if you will is just inspiring so who bear johnny. Thank you so much for your time with us. There siebel Joining us from new york here today on what's next linked in live. My name's tiffany bubba. Please make sure you subscribe and follow the pick up a copy of thank you so much. See you next time bye everybody.

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Brice Rhodes /// Part 1 /// 489

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But because the urban dictionary is equal parts brilliance. in hilarity. here is their definition. a struggle. Rapper is a guy who takes wrapping super seriously and thinks he is amazing but his actual skills are average at best. We all know a couple and now unfortunately you know one more but as much as we all would like for it to be. This is not a hip hop show in fact they tell me that it is a true crime. Show so captain. Let's go back five years. This is may of two thousand and sixteen and beautiful louisville kentucky where we have two young brothers living with their mom. Marie ren the boys larry ordway age. Fourteen marina gordon age sixteen had different fathers but shared a brotherly bond in a close relationship with their mother. They were in many respects normal kids who liked to have fun and hang out with their friends. Both boys were doing well in school at olmstead academy north and the family was looking forward to both boys upcoming graduation from the eighth grade but instead of graduating from the eighth grade and moving onto bigger and better things in high school. Marie would be planning their funerals on. Saturday may twenty-first according to the boy's mother. Marie and larry left the home and they never came back but these two young men. They're fourteen and sixteen and they're hanging out with brice which is in his mid twenties at this point on sunday may twenty second round twelve thirty pm. A little girl riding her bike in the shawnee neighborhood of louisville saul something awful two bodies were lying in a circle of burned grass and abandoned lot on river park drive near fortieth street. This was not the neighborhood where the boys lived with their mother to give you a flavor for the area. One resident said to w l k y jelly to see the csi truck. I knew it was something a little bit more serious than just two people being shot along with police the arson unit responded to the scene because of the attempt being made to burn the bodies it was apparent to anyone who saw the bodies that they were murdered. Victims witnesses described the scene as horrific. One officer was seen shaking his head as he covered the bodies with a sheet probably because it was apparent to him how young these victims were crime scene. Investigators determined that the victims were murdered elsewhere and then dumped in this vacant lot. The bodies had no idea on them. The police had no reports of missing teens in the area. Police issued a statement that to teen males were found dead and foul play was evident. They release sketches of the victims on monday night. A faculty member of the boys school then recognizes the sketches. They knew both brothers larry maurice. These brothers did not come to school on that monday. So this faculty member called it in to police on may twenty fourth. It was reported that a louisville woman had come forward to claim the two bodies found as her sons but the victims names were not released until may twenty six. Of course the mom was marie ren and the boys the victims were larry and maurice her two sons whether mom is going to be told. I believe on tuesday that it's possible that her boys were found and found in this area. Yeah this is a weird situation captain because it's one of those rare situations where two people go missing. They're killed their bodies are found in recovered. And it's not until a couple of days later that they're claimed by a family member in this case being their mother but they were never reported missing at any time yet. I wanna throw her under the bus but when your kids don't show up to school on monday and they don't come back home sunday night or monday. At what point. Are you going to call them in missing yourself especially when they're missing school ron that monday so marie. The mother told the media that she learned that the two bodies were found. They could be her boys. She learned this on that tuesday. They had left the house with friends on saturday night. That's a long period for you not to know where your kids are exactly. You have to wonder if this was a regular thing in the household to just not know where the kids were what they were up to. Marie said in an interview. Everybody knows them. They got killed. Over nothin' larry played football and he was on honor. Roll and school and maurice loved music. He was into the music industry and they were great kids. They didn't take from nobody she added. She pleaded with anyone who might know anything about the case to. Please come forward now. Let's take a step back here. Captain and look at what was going on in maurice and larry's lives at the time that they first go missing and then unfortunately later found to be murdered victims as we said. The boys behaved themselves at school and were both considered to be very good students. Both were in the eighth grade at olmstead academy north and teachers. Who spoke about them said that they were in fact. Good kids but behind the scenes and think. It's a whole bit of a different story here and i'm not saying that they weren't good kids but what i am saying is we do know that larry and maurice were running around with a bad crowd right one. Also you're saying they're in the same grade once fourteen and one sixteen. It's not clear to me that that jumped off the pages. Well for me captain. And it's not clear to me why that is what it is but that is in fact the case or was the case five years ago just to be clear we don't we're not trying to bash these victims. Were just trying to state that they. These are the surroundings. This is the environment they were in. And i'm still in the eighth grade as well here captain so i cannot those in glass houses right. So here's a quote from one of the detectives. Working the case said quote when you have young kids that are in their early teens. I mean you can have really good kids and they get thrown in with the same crowd with a bad crowd. This is this could happen to kids. This is from homicide. Detective todd kissinger. This is what he told the. Cbs news down there in louisville kentucky. All it takes is for you to be hanging out with the crowd for a week for a couple of days. Bad things can happen when you're hanging out with bad people and bad things can happen. Quick my point is doesn't matter if there were hanging out with the wrong crowd for two years or two days. Bad stuff can happen. I have a credo that i've lived my life by if you hang out with bad people and are around bad things and do bad things long enough. Something bad will happen to you. Is it just how things go now. It seems that larry ann. Marie scott caught up in the sort of gangster lifestyle that looks glamorous to some kids their social media pages are filled with photos of the two boys posing with automatic weapons and assault rifles smoking cigars counting large amounts of cash. And you know trying to look cool. I guess for the the camera the disturbing thing is it's pretty clear that their mother well. She knew what the boys were up to in their free time. She knew that they were hanging out with a bad crowd. She knew that they were doing things. That were these unsavory things on camera and then putting these videos together on their social media pages and we know that she knew this because she is in some of the pictures with them holding guns in a in a tough looking pose and is even posing with her little daughter in all blue clothing and flags and such It's interesting yeah. And then she went on. Tell w d r b dot com quote. My sons were trying to earn stripes in the blood gang and they had to put in work. If they didn't put in work they were knocked off. And that's why they were knocked off because they were scared to put in the work and quote now later. Marie backtrack saying it was all a front. So her boys could seem cool and her mom. This would be the grandmother. Debbie ran told the media that the guns in the photos were just toys. I don't know either way. I'm gonna go with the grandmother. Give her the benefit of the doubt and say that maybe they were toys. But either way it's it's it's what are you trying to What are you trying to achieve by posting pictures like that. Well exactly. It's not something that i wanna see but you know i have to remind myself i was a teenager and i did some dumb stuff in my teenage years. Yeah we've done. We both have done some really stiff thing. I think most people do or at least that's what i tell myself feel better about myself one. Also it would seem to me. I'm assuming that they're being raised in a house by a single mother. So i didn't know that growing up. I don't know what that would be like and a lot of kids in these types of environments fill like going with a gang. Sometimes they feel like there's no option if you don't go with the gang than every gang is out to get you so at least of you team up with somebody. Somebody who's protecting you. Well and i think what we're going to see here and something you pointed out earlier captain. These are young impressionable boys who are hanging out with an adult that they should not be hanging out with and they're being led by this guy in led down the wrong path and that's for certain now according to the courier journal what they said of the mother said quote. She came under attack on social media for photos of her son's holding guns on her facebook. Page which referenced a gang. Her family insists that the teens weren't in a gang and were just pretending to be tough and quote so regardless whatever the truth. It's clear that marie did know who her boys were hanging out with. And this was in fact the wrong crowd and one loser in particular was twenty five year old aspiring rapper rambo as he called himself better known as bryce roads. Both boys had appeared in rambo's music videos with references to gun sex and violence. The boys thought rambo was going to make them famous as he got famous. He told them his music videos would make them stars eventually and he bought them clothes and food and would have them ride around with him in his car but in the like listen to his music oh again. They're they're teenagers they. They're they're young teenagers and they're not making good decisions. I mean listen to the first line of that wrap he. He's in prison. He said he's going to the jewelry shop. Going to the jewish bro. Yeah you know you're not but you're not you can. You can say whatever you want to say. But not a maybe he is going to like the prison jeweler. Maybe there's a prison handcuffs. Her jewelry in this guy's mind this guy's he's a baller right and you're right i. That's funny that you say that. That did they listen to music. Ain't good yeah. I'm just not a fan of mumble ramp in general like when they're rapid sounds like they're just mumbling. Yeah or or the ones that are just. It's all braggadocious. There's no there's no story there's no rhyme or reason You know to me. It's it's nonsense. And and i would say that i'm a hip hop fan. I mean i like to park biggie. I like jay z. Like most deaf black. Thought the beastie boys. I feel like those guys are at least saying something. They're not just mumbling. And there's there's good kinds of music and bad kinds of music you know in all genres and thing is again remember. This dude is twenty five. They're fourteen and sixteen. I remember when i was fourteen. There was a couple dudes. I hung out with simply because they had a car. And in hindsight these guys were idiots. That i that i was hanging out with simply because they had a car. So you can only imagine what they're the hocus pocus the he's putting on these young dudes you know. He's twenty five. He's got a car. He's got tattoos he saying. Hey i'm going to be famous. He's probably lying about who he is to them. Making himself seem bigger and more important than what he actually is and the they're young they don't know any better they believe him and so they're tagging along there along for the ride so to speak all right but that's why he's hanging out with fourteen and sixteen year old kids he can't nobody he can't impress anybody his own eight so he's like go. I got press these kids now while we're on the subject of them hanging out with bryce roads we have Their mother on record saying the following about bryce he goes through the neighborhoods and he just picks up teenagers. He sees and asked them. You want to sell this. You wanna sell that. He kept sneaking and picking up my son's he bribed them with designer clothes and shoes. He would even take them out to eat by them. Food her mother and sounds like a pedo as on he sounds like to me. Yeah that's true no they. It's i mean think. About how many of these serial killer does that. We've talked about that. Go around the neighborhood. Find the poor kids and go. Hey i want some beard you want some marijuana do you You want some new sneakers. I can help you out. Yeah there was a guy down in texas dean coral. That made a whole lifestyle out of that for for years. Yeah and then. He was shitty rapper to yes yes. He was the grandmother. Debbie who who. I am a big fan of you. Know if we're gonna be picking sides here and getting people's back. Here i will. I want to be up front about that. I'm a fan of debbie reynolds. She is on record saying the same thing about bryce. He lured her words. Her he lord these kids in by buying them shoes taking them to the mall taking them out to eat and she says yeah he was a predator. Hold on. i'm going to defend the mom a little bit. Because here's what we're so quick to do This these kids were in a bad situation. Their mom didn't know what was going on. Look at this age fourteen and sixteen. They're probably bigger than their mom. The probably taller than their mom. She can't physically control them. Can't may be physically. Tell them not to do this or not do that i. I don't know that that's the case here. But what i'm saying is what's never mentioned in the story is where the hell where the both of these boys fathers you know. So it was not put the put a too much weight onto their mom. 'cause 'cause they're their fathers that obviously weren't helping keeping these kids and better environments. It's it's on them as well. Well the mother went so far as to say that. Rambo used young kids to do his dirty work on the streets and by the time her boys discovered how dangerous he really was. She says it was too late. So marie told the police that this is what happened that bryce roads and two other teenagers came and picked up her two sons on saturday night. They were going to a party. This is what they told her. We're going to a party on sunday. She called one of the phones one of their phones looking for them because they didn't come home now she didn't know it but they were actually already dead at this point one of the teenage boys. The was with bryce in her. Two sons answered one of her sons phones and he at the time happened to be in the car with price and said to. This teenager tells marie that we went to the store. And we'll be right back so marino's not only bryce roads by name but also knows the names of both of these teenagers. That arrived with him to pick up her son's on that saturday they're missing. They don't come home and on sunday. She's calling their phones. One of these teenagers picks up gives an excuse and now we still have two teenagers. Who have not come home right. But at that moment you call cops call the cops and say look my sons. Were supposed to be with these two gentlemen or these three gentlemen my ben and that's what you do. Yeah my son's left with an adult and have not come home like they were supposed to. I'm calling this because it's it's an issue and so armed with this information. This is what she tells the police. Once the bodies were found now about two and a half weeks before maurice in larry were killed there was another murder in louisville and one that was unsolved at the time that her two sons went missing media reports said that on may fourth around twelve thirty. A m forty year old. Christopher jones was found having been shot in the torso in the eight hundred block of south forty first street. Medics arrived on the scene and tried to save christopher jones but he died during surgery at university hospital just after four thirty. Am this was. The city's thirty eighth homicide of that year. When the louisville metro police spokesperson reported this to the media the following afternoon. He said that there were no suspects at that time. Okay so what does this have to do with our two teenage victims. Well in the course of their investigation the louisville pd investigation into bryce roads. After getting his name from the mother police got a statement from one of roads. Accomplices that maurice. And larry were in the vehicle when bryce roads shot christopher jones so this unsolved homicide for may fourth. They're now getting information that the two other murder victims were in a car with this bryce roads character when he when bryce roads shot and killed christopher. Joe have you heard of the always pan. Have you heard of our place. 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Because you have someone telling you that these murders might all be connected and the center point here might be this. Bryce roads guy right. We now have information that he shot and killed this. Christopher jones and we're now getting information that are two other murder victims were in the vehicle with bryce roads when he shot and killed christopher jones. Yes so the the pd sitting around thinking. Where can we find bryce roads at well and a local jewelry store. Yeah of course bro. The interesting thing here too is. This information is coming with a certain amount of weight. A certain amount of weight backing it up that makes it even more believable because there was another accomplice also we now have a motive of why this fourteen and sixteen year old are dead. The motive being that bryce killed this guy and they're witnesses or accomplices and and somehow then bryce decided that they need to be taken care of so the accomplice was following behind bryce roads and maurice larry who were in a vehicle following behind them and another vehicle. This accomplice ran over jones's body by accident after christopher jones was shot. A rhodes told larry and maurice according to the accomplice that bryce road told larry and maurice not to tell anyone about the shooting and then took them home. That's the night of may fourth. Okay so this reverse a little bit so bryce pulls up with the two teenage boys in his car he pulls up on this guy he gets out of his car shoots the shoots the guy his accomplices behind him. I think it was a drive by Okay but then the the car behind him was bryce his buddy and he ran over the victim correct. He ran over christopher jones so when police arrive they find man shot and run over. He's still alive but he's you know not able to speak or tell them anything bright and they rush off to the hospital where they tried desperately to save this guy but unfortunately were unable to do so when bryce roads after the shooting he of course tells larry and maurice not to tell anyone about the shooting about the murder and then take some home but the two teenagers. They're just kids you right. I mean at the end of the day regardless of what they were doing. Good bad between. They're just kids and they probably didn't know even if they were told this is what might go down tonight. They may not have even believed it until they saw it until they experienced it. These kids are terrified now and he's just dropping off at their house so it seems that this might be the the real life shocker wakeup call to this fourteen and sixteen year old boys that hey this shit is real and these things have real consequences and look to what just happened to this unfortunate individual that was for all we know just walking down the street minding their own business and gets gunned down and then unfortunately ran over blonde. Now you have proof that this twenty five year old you're hanging out with is complete shit bag and so he's capable and you just saw what he did so if he's capable of doing that to this guy he's capable of doing that to you. Ten member of your family you got. You got mixed up with the wrong crowd. Well and of course now. He's dropping them off at home and they're terrified they're frightened and now bryce roads concern then becomes that well. Maybe these two kids are going to tell someone. Maybe they're gonna tell their mom tell their grandmother maybe they're going to tell people at school or even the police right to double down triple down. I guess on the tragedy larry imerese. They're dead within three weeks of this. Christopher jones being shot now christopher jones being shot wasn't there hit put out on him or something Something like that. We'll we'll get into that because it's a little more complicated than that but what we have here. Captain is once the mother tells police about this bryce roads in everything that she seems to know at the time and that her boys were last to be seen with him the louisville police they started looking for bryce roads and he had a record and not just not just in police record. He had a police record with louisville pd. So we'll go through his Background here. He had been convicted twice of assault four times of domestic violence and twice for violating the terms of his probation. But more importantly roads was wanted in nearby indiana on domestic abuse charges in clark county now indiana authorities had been looking for bryce roads for about six months at this time in our timeline. He was also on probation in the same indiana county for domestic assault. For incidents in two thousand thirteen and two thousand fourteen louisville authorities had a reason to find and arrest bryce so. That's the avenue where you're going to pursue right. We've only heard this information from people that we don't know if they're credible or not so we don't really have anything to go out and arrest this guy on but oh he already has worn out for him by this other jurisdiction and he's on probation so we got some leverage here. So it's going to be the clark county indiana authorities that will go out looking for bryce roads. Not just to not just to serve their warrants. An arrest him but also to help out the louisville police department and it only took them thankfully a couple of days to find bryce roads and bring this guy in in the meantime per the courier journal newspaper quote homicide. Detectives tracked down one of the two alleged teen age accomplices. This was fifteen year old. And juan carter and began interviewing him while searching for the twenty five year old. Bryce roads their prime suspect police also arrested another accomplice. This is corey taylor. Age seventeen they started interviewing these juveniles to amass against twenty five year. old bryce roads. What are we seeing here. Captain this loser bryce. Who's he running around with. Did you catch all those ages. Fourteen fifteen sixteen and seventeen got no friends. Ni- think he's i really think he's a pedo. I would be interested to to to hear them To hear these juveniles talk about you know other things. And i wouldn't put it past him as being pedo. You're starting to convince me here. At first i thought well that's an interesting take make sense because we've seen it in other cases and other neighborhoods throughout time. Yeah this is something that happens. You might be onto something here. Counting so on. Tuesday may twenty four. Th please spotted roads vehicle on preston highway. They arrested him on the outstanding warrant in indiana and were able to hold him while they worked to gather evidence in the larry maurice murder cases and they slapped him with additional charges stemming from an on his own mother apparently braces mother alleged that bryce grabbed her by the neck in punched her in the temple as she attempted to unload groceries. His teenage sister called the police. But at that time this would be back in two thousand and fourteen. They did not arrest bryce roads. This for unknown reasons. Why this what drives me insane. Sometimes with these cases he go. He grabbed his mom by the throat. Punch during the temple. And we didn't arrest this dick canal right like maybe if we would arrested there. Maybe we if we would have got him on these other charges. These murders would have never taken place. That's certainly possible again. I don't know the reasons why he was not arrested that day. So i don't wanna. I don't want to point blame at anybody here. But in a later interview his mother bryce roads mother said that brice has mental issues and has not been taking his medication when he allegedly killed. Maurice and larry. She said that she was out of town at the time. That's going to come back to be important. Not so much to the medication thing or his mental issues or whatever but more so that she was out of town at the time of the murder of these two young boys. And by so okay. Let's go through a little more of bryce roads background in criminal history here. The county indiana prosecutor. This is jeremy maule was interviewed by the media was very forthcoming about prices. Police criminal record. He reeled off roads previous convictions. Which included armed robbery criminal confinement domestic assault and felony intimidation. He was a registered sex offender. There you go captain in indiana the key this would be for the confinement charge which involved in underage victim. I don't have to look at air. And i don't have the information. If this w- underage victim was male or female either way he's still a pedo and then here's a quote from the go to the when i go to the jewelry store. I'm a pedo. Here's a quote from the prosecutor quo. He's been out on probation. they're talking about price roads. Obviously he has been given all the resources of the tax payers to turn his life around if he wanted to do that. Unfortunately he just continues to accrue new crime so i wanted to say was unfortunately he's just a giant pile of shit right. Yeah you're right. This seems like a very polite way to To word this about a bryce roads our remember that we said that police had arrested some teenage accomplices of bryce roads and one of these accomplices told police that he along with maurice. In larry witnessed the christopher jones shooting okay. Another was the the boy the young man that said he accidentally ran over jones after the shooting so bryce roads had multiple teen accomplices. How do we know how these accomplices came forward to that. Did they come forward or it wasn't difficult because what you have is you have the the mother telling police after her sons are found dead right but it wasn't difficult because we have the mother telling police. Look my boys. Left with bryce roads. And while carter and jacoby taylor so what happens in captain is the go all right. Well let's go look for these. Three guys and ask them wins the last time they saw. Maurice and larry right and when you go especially when you have young offenders when you have an wall carter whose only fifteen you have jacoby taylor whose only seventeen you go and talk to them you put you turn the heat up a little bit and usually you start getting information from these these young guys. He started calling We know You wanna turn your boyfriend. Brights in because if you don't We're going to charge you as an adult. And you're gonna have many more boyfriends and your life well and that's exactly what's going to happen so what we have. Here is both very quickly. Tell the police. Yes i i was with bryce and i was with the other young man and we did in fact pickup maurice and larry that night so this is the information they got from. The mother is now being backed up by these. Young people. On carter jacoby taylor. I also wonder how much again you get picked up. You're riding around with people you know and i know and i can say from my own experience of hung out with the wrong crowd and i learned pretty quickly when you're when somebody picks you up and then all of a sudden you're around the situation you never thought you're supposed to be around you know you walk into somebody's house and next thing you know There's a bunch of drugs on the table and that's not you don't feel comfortable or there's drugs on the table and there's guns around and you're going and you're the youngest guy in the room. There's there situations that sometimes you name a no. You're you're getting into right and that's the problem with the bad crowd well and if there's any young people out there listening and you happen to find yourself in a situation. I know it uncomfortable and it doesn't. It doesn't seem easy but leave. That's the best thing you can do if you go all of a sudden you're like oh my god who am i hanging out with. What's going on all the stuff they said before. I thought they were joking. Yeah or never again. Once you get back home never again. I get out of there soon as you can. Yeah soon as you can And but it but it's difficult you know. I mean i remember hanging out with a group of older guys and we went to a party and right before we went into the parliament. They told me. Don't look at the guy i it. Why wait when dole look at the guy yet just who is he. Medusa look at the ground. And i look at the ground. They're like well he doesn't know you so he's going to be uncomfortable while the why why the fuck are we going there if this if i can't look at the guy in the face and he's gonna be so uncomfortable that some most teenagers are dumb. I was a teenager wants sleep. Yeah why are we going there. We don't know you ask any of those guys today. They go yeah. I don't know why we went there. but what you have here. Captain is they're going to be looking for all three of these individuals that are named by the mom when they do pick them up. We have the the younger to saying. Yes in fact. I was there Bryce did pick them up that night on that saturday so now they they have nobody else telling them that. Maurice in larry ever went anywhere else at any point right and they're going to know roughly about what time or what day that the boys were killed because we have a short window to work with here. They're found relatively quickly. And you have them police just enough just enough to keep them going so police are going to go you know. We don't have any confessions here. We don't have a huge amount of evidence but we got all three of these people putting themselves with the victims around the time that we believe that they were murdered. So we're going to charge you. Guys why are we gonna charge all three of you because we're hoping that once we crank up the heat and apply the pressure one of you will come to your senses in start talking. Well the speed is making your car rattle if you need more of true crime garage music. It's all available or most of it's available on spotify apple music soundcloud and pretty much anywhere you get your music and it's free to stream so check those out and join us back here in the garage tomorrow until then be good. Be kind and don't let.

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My Dad Enables My Older Brother Financially (Hour 3)

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41:13 min | 2 months ago

My Dad Enables My Older Brother Financially (Hour 3)

"Thanks for tuning into the ramsey. Show you know we wanna protect you from scummy companies bad products and money traps designed to keep you broke. Check out our new podcast called the fine print. Were we do the research for you the help keep your money safe. Listen to the fine print live from the headquarters of ramsey solutions broadcasted from the dollar car rental studio. This is the ramsey show. It's where america hangs out and have a conversation about your life your money your work. You relationships we've been talking about all kinds of awful awful work leadership issues. It's causing people to fill burned down people to fill stress. Should i do. should i leave. It's a good paying job. But it's awful to go into dr. John loney joining me. I'm ken coleman. We are ramsey personalities. And we host our own shows on the ramsey network. And we're here for you. Triple eight eight to five five. Two two five is the number. Triple eight eight to five five two two five. Let's go to atlanta georgia. Where bobby joins bobby. How can we help. Hey how are y'all doing. We are living the dream. What's up I gotta relationship question for y'all i think that my dad enables my older brother to his financial detriment and has happened many times in the past but specifically right now My brother wants twenty thousand dollars from him to catch up on some past due child support that he's getting in trouble for and my dad usually bails him out but he only has sixty only has about one hundred fifty thousand in retirement with six hundred thousand dollars in debt so he doesn't really have the money to keep bailing them out. Should i say something to my dad and brother or should. I just let it go since i'm not really involved. I that's an onion. We just heard exactly right man. There's a lot there what's your. What is your dad. Compensating for My brother's mom wasn't involved in his past. So is your dad guilty. There you go okay. Yeah so to play your. Can i love to hear you you hop in your do at the end of the day is unfortunately for you. This is a conversation between to grow. And your dad and your bright. Also you love these. do men right. These year families are blood right. And so i would say by proxy you have the opportunity to have a conversation understanding that when you have this conversation which i would if i was you there is a. There's a chance that you burn this bridge between both of them right and so what you've got to do is put on your responsibility hat and you're what are you trying to accomplish hat. Are you trying to protect your dad from your little brother because if so you're going to go into a sixty year old man who's trying to do well and say You know you could be doing better. And no dad likes to hear that from his son right or are you trying to burn your brother. You sick a him. Leaching off your man. So you're gonna try to go through your old man to get to your brother again. You should. i'm sixteen. I'm getting it so right. I want you to be really clear. About what your head and into i can see a really remarkable father-son conversation where you sit down with him and say i want you to have permission from your other son to stop this. Your dad you did your best. We love you of course crazy stuff in the past. You don't owe us. You don't have to play catch up by my making yourself unstable in the future because let's be honest based on this trajectory. Bobby david you're you're the one that can be taken care of him. He didn't have any retirement right chris. Yeah you're going to be one having to clean this mess up. And i think honest conversation about. Hey i want you to have permission to not have to to try to fix. Anything from the past ad is warranted. It's great. I would have that conversation but you have to be prepared for. What's on the back in right for him to say. Hey forget you For your brother to find out say who heard you dead and took all that kind of nonsense. You've probably been deal that your whole life. Is that fair yes true. Yeah is you're gonna be receptive to that conversation. I think he will be. Yeah yeah he's usually pretty receptive. I think it's more going to be an issue with my older brother. I wouldn't talk to her brother just my opinion If it's me that i don't know what the benefit of that is. I and maybe i'm cynical. I don't know john you'll talk to each other. It depends on the state of your relationship thing. No we do not okay time so. I'm talking to dan and John told you how to do that. You know look if it's me talking to my dad. I'm going to look look. You're such a good dude. Your heart is amazing. And i'm sitting here looking at your retirement and i'm looking at you. I'm looking at your situation not my brothers. I'm not here to talk about him. I'm not here to talk about what you've done for him. I'm only approaching you on this as your son. Who's worried about your financial situation. Because i'm gonna take care of you but dad. I think you've done enough. And i'm not telling you what to do. I'm not asking you to do anything. But i'm asking you. I mean well. I guess i'm asking you to go. Is this really going to help the situation right. And how much is this going to hurt you if you try to help. I think couching it with that posture. But i'm not talking to the brother. Because i think I'm hoping that it's a confidential conversation between you and your debt and that your dad doesn't even bring it up because the brother situations already not healthy. There's not much of a relationship there. And i think that that makes it more of an issue and hopefully your dad goes you know what bobby's right in. This isn't the probably this isn't a man. Older brother got laid off again. He's working hard and he's trying to make rent. This is twenty grand of he's a deadbeat dad. Let's just call child support right and then the third time as a bum do this is a pattern so he needs to hit rock bottom and and and let me tell you something this hard all right. I hate seeing my kids. Learn painful lessons. I got three teens. Fortunately haven't seen a whole lot of pain but even the minor i'm like. Oh yeah you know what. It's time for your brother to feel the sting but there is a sense of dad thinking i played some role in this and i will keep all go to the ends of the earth and i get that sentiment. It's that moment when you cross over in your enabling it right now. There's been no reason for your brother to get a job and step up and do what he's supposed to do and pay child support for god's sake if you won't stay if you won't be a dead at least you could pay for the kids food and diapers for crying out lock right. But he's not and now we're enabling part so it might be good for dad to get his face. If dad's got at any might be good but you know that's just me i. That's where i'd be I would be in his face saying it's time for you to put on your big boy pants but i don't know if that's going to work on it won't be thanks for your heart man. How how have a great conversation gently and with an open. Hand there all right We've been we've been asking for 'cause we got them coming in. Hey i'm an awful work situation. I got a horrible leader leadership. Its leader i wanna hear no problem. Want wanna hear about the bosses. Here's some fun. How about a couple of funny work fails we've all we've all blown it at work embarrassment or whatever how about a little humor here These are from the internet. I once called in sick in order to go to another job interview only to find the my boss had done exactly the same thing. We city the same waiting area. Who got the job. Neither one of them by the way. Oh that's an awesome. You're playing hooky and apply for a job and you walk in and your boss is there. This is a sign that you're not in a really great company. Here's a fun one on my first day of work. Big pressure day. I accidentally called my boss. Daddy oh man. Can you imagine looking over at dave and be like. Hey daddy no. I would resign immediately. Clean my desk. That's executive hey the other day la la la hoya i stood up and said hey guys i'll be right back. I gotta run goatee. You have a you have a top five year. Old daughter room got quiet. I just said i. I'm i'm going about back. Well john we get some goodness. We're gonna take a short breaks. You can go. we'll go for the rest of you hang on coming right back with your calls. This is ribs each show simply say visit award-winning home security system. So you know it's engineered with the latest technology that you want to keep your family safe but what really sets simplisafe apart is its people highly trained security experts. Who were always there for you when you need the most. It's one of the many reasons. 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You gotta put it into action every day and you do that by budgeting with everydollar and you can get both of those only at one place. Ramsey plus is the place you can create a life where money works for you not against us time to ditch the debt for good. Start your free trial of ramsey plus by texting trial text. The word trial two three three seven eight nine that's trial two three three seven eight nine blinds dot coms one hundred percent satisfaction guarantee means even if you miss measure pick the wrong color the remake your blinds for free you get free samples free shipping and with the new promos. They run every month. You'll save you more. Use the promo code ramsey to get the best deal. Today's question comes from laura here in tennessee. We relocated last year due to my husband's job and i took the first job that was offered to help our family financially. Covert happen and then. The ceo laid off several employees. And now i'm working twelve to fourteen hours per day and weakens i'm burned out and it's affecting my health but the problem is in our small town. The average salaries forty thousand dollars a year. And i'm currently making seventy thousand dollars. Am i stupid to leave my job. In the security we have saved up thirty thousand in case i quit but i'm not sure what i would do next. Well john These questions are tough when you get something like this has got a lot of layers and we can't go back and ask him questions but based on what. I'm seeing number one. You're not stupid to take care of your health and you're going to be forced to stop this. Your body will die right. That's right and so the fact that you've saved up thirty thousand In this case. I'm okay again. We don't know their debt situation. We don't know much here but if we can plan financially by either. Cutting cost tightening the budget saving some extra money to get her out of the situation and find something else and we adjust our lifestyle. If that's what needs to happen then do it. But the first thing i'd love you to do is go to your ceo and go. Hey thanks for keeping me number one number two. You know that. I'm stepping up. I'm working twelve to fourteen hours a day seven days a week. I think you understand. I want to be here. But i can't keep the schedule up. Can you help me help you. Because i wanna keep stepping up. I want the job but can we sit down and talk to situation. There's a there's a posture of humility an hunger and gratitude. But i'd start there. It's worth at least raise your hand going. How much longer are you asking me to do this. As i've been part of several organizations that had significant human productions right. Yeah let people go and one of the things that when you're on the side of the ledger that gets to stay is right. We've talked about this before. Go fight or flight. Yup your brain goes into panic mode and nobody ever stops. Has that question. I'm fourteen hours in seven days a week and sometimes simple conversation with your ceo. They say oh gosh to carry. Self you wanted to. Last month are not aware. They're not because they're also burning. Their life is on fire right and so let somebody know. Hey i need to start taking care of my weekends. I need to start protecting my family. I'm see my husband and a year and see my wife in two years What does this look like and again love it. Humbly quickly not not accusation at all fired up. You'd say hey look so now. We're settling into a rhythm here. This rhythm is unsustainable and if they fire you for that conversation you were gonna fall off anyway. Yeah it's just adults with you. Don't walk away from seventy try. Let's see if we can figure it out and Those can what you you talked to full-time. Why are why do people avoid that conversation. Okay i'm gonna tell you what i believe to be. The wife can listen in thousands of bitch about it. Yeah but well. But you've got to psychology so this is a fun guy the why on the surfaces. They don't wanna deal with the confrontation. Even though it doesn't have to be confrontational it feels like confrontation. So that's my way of saying it's kinda yucky. Yeah they're like the idea of sitting. While i boss and going Hey i. I don't think i could keep doing it this way. It's physically bother me. Worry they're going to immediately fire us. You're done so we'd rather leave on our own with an unknown then deal with somebody looking at us going. What's wrong with you. I'm gonna fire you your loser you. Yeah so that's what. I mean by confrontation. Part of it is the fear of being fired. But you'll suffer instead of going for that unknown. Will you help. Yeah i wanna be here. Y- tell me what's layer there. I think it's the our body sulfur equilibrium. we get addicted stress chemicals. By right you can get addicted to the chaos in the drama and you can get addicted to literally everything's fire and we don't have a picture in her head of what a good hard-working bust in it all day but then being able to go home and be with family. We don't have picture even looks like sometimes so we don't know what we're trying to solve four until we ended up waiting until there's a crisis and then we just run around. And we play avoidance right so you gotta lean in like you said what are you. What are you aiming for and it always starts with the humidity conversation. And i'll say one thing it's not just confrontation. It's the what what's going to be on the other end of the unknown so what we do is to your point. I've never heard that before we're dictated those chemicals we go. I'm pretty much physically and emotionally miserable amount but but hang on really too long and we'll go but at least i know what that's about a subject to walk to the office and go. Hey i'm afraid it's win when you've been overweight forty pounds you'll lose it. Your body solves for that bag right. It will gain that way back because that's where they even though it kills you even though it's what it's what you know that's why you can get out of a toxic relationship and you find yourself right back in another one because that your body will solve equilibrium. So you've gotta change equilibrium and you can only change that with who piece right with a destination of where you're going so i. I love that idea of having that conversation. Hey let's go to youtube question. how about that. We love jackson youtubers. Shout out to the youtubers out there. sydney rights at a very interesting question. John do you have any advice for choosing the therapist when you're starting a mental health journey for this is fabulous question. I love this question so number one. Some places were wherever you can get in right. start there. I've got a got. You mean because it's a it's an emergency to get to the er. Is that what you know. It's it's it is the demand on mental health care in the country so overwhelmed call a therapist nowadays in maybe a six month. Wait wait so you go right. I got a partnership better. Help dot com help dot com slash delone. And they'll give you. It's it's online therapy right. You can do it through your tv in your living room. That's it if you have a safe place there but Sometimes it's getting in the most important thing is lining up with somebody that you feel comfortable with and what comfort means is you will tell the truth and nothing but the truth so help you god and that they are able to listen to create an atmosphere. We feel comfortable. And here's where that's kind of challenging is. Can you and i go to the same therapist. I might walk in and be like us guys. Guy's scam run out of here and you may walk in and your shoulders drop and you say that's for me so i always encourage people to find somebody That is in your local community. That has a good reputation. That your friends or someone you know or your colleagues referring to you go sit in there and after two. Three four sessions. If you think. I'm i'm shield myself. I'm not being honest here. Didn't walk away. see. That's good to hear because i was i was going to ask. There's no damage done by going. To or three sessions with wound person. Not feeling it and go on to somebody else not like sound like you're starting a new regimen or as medicine you're talking to someone that's right and you don't know them anything. Grownups right there. Big blue it'll be. It's the same as when you go to to talk to an adviser about your finances and you kind of feel uncomfortable and they start kind of stealing you and you just don't wanna leave. Get walk out. walk out right. This is your mental health but ultimately the purse do this. The research tells us the most important thing with a mental health. Practitioner is a relationship and so you got to feel safe. You gotta be able to tell the truth you gotta not lie and you got to go and go and keep going. It's good stuff. And can i just tell you john's john's professionally trained. I've done it. Can we just get over the stigma. What somebody think when you walk in the lobby just as best up just as broken his yar go tear the band aid off. And just speak to somebody. Who's a professional that knows how to see you. It's so incredible massive credible. Yeah nothing to be scared of I'll tell you what you need to be scared this more of the ramsey show. It's coming up when families were asked how long it would be before. They faced financial hardship. If a spouse died nearly one third said they'd be in trouble immediately. This is why talk about zanderinsurance. Every day they're committed to protecting families with the only products that i recommend and their team keeps the entire process. Simple and affordable go to zander dot com for quick online pricing or call eight hundred three five six forty two eighty two. This has to be a priority if your family is in the situation you need to get this done. Welcome back america. You're listening to the ramsey show. Coleman joined by my colleague. Dr john bologna we personalities. And we are here for you taking your calls about life money. Your work relationships triple eight eight to five five. Two two five is the phone number. Triple eight eight to five five two two five. Let's go to. Jared joins us and saint cloud minnesota jared. You are on the show. How can we help all. Hey jared how can we help Say i got a big relationship issue of hoping you guys to help me out with bringing on what's so me and my fiance. We've been together. Roughly four years engaged coming up on a year. And i've gone to her with the total money makeover as well as the five language of love and several other like. Let's get a good foundation and get married and i sit down explained. This is extremely important to me at the books fronta bat listened to the audiotapes and i cannot get her on board with anything and i really don't know what to do. Why won't she get on board if you had to. If you had a diagnosis it while when she get onboard are let me ask it more directly. Why does she value what you want in this relationship so little that she blows off your heart your passion your your contribution to this relationship. Why does she devalue you so much. I think a lot of it comes from both relationships that we have you know my parents and her parents to look at nope. Nope nope nope. Nope what is it about you. Let's depressing john I guess i'm one of these people that before. I even go to her with like the total money makeover like. I read the book front to back. I knew here's the budget x. Amount of dollars. And i'll between cures everything and i lay it all in front of us. What else do you do that with. any little shopping. Hey let's go on. Vacation was on point eight. Appoint be fourteen thousand dollars. I mean i know every in and out before. I even bring anything tiller. So is there a possibility that this woman you love feels that she is a data point in your spreadsheet or that she is a cog in the machine that you are building for your life and that total money makeover love languages is just another scheme is just another something or other that you have prescribed for her life to come. I can see a daily. Yeah my guess is she cantu and so at some level here. She loves you. She wouldn't have been with you for four years. Do you think she loves you. Yeah she does and she's also developed an all universe where she does whatever she wants to she. Lets you do your little thing. And you're probably onto the next thing in the next few months right and she has now learned to love you and let you be. My wife has done the same thing with enough speaking with authority here because this sounds like my house my come home and say guess what honey. We're all gonna learn how to play guitar. Have a family band. And when we first got married she would say. That sounds ridiculous and stupid. And you have grad school and this and this and this now she goes cool john. That's going to be fun it casinos in about three weeks. I'm going to be onto the next thing right all right so i have a question. I'm listen to this. How much of this is. She doesn't like this idea regardless of all this i. I don't think the ideas even matter at this point. Oh so what does he do. I think he sits down and has that conversation to you. Think have turned you into a project. Honey we're about to get married. We're about to spend our life together. And i feel like i've come at you with hobbies and vacations and stuff. Is there a possibility that over the last three or four years. I've turned you into something. A problem to solve. I've turned turned you into a widget into life. I'm trying to build for us. And i've stopped listening to you. What do you want this thing to look like. And what i what you to do man is. I want you to bring her into the the picture painting process that gel together okay. I think that the total money makeover will become a part of your life just because it makes sense. It's foolish to not do it right now. It's just another scheme in a long line of schemes and you're painting a picture relationship that she's not even allowed to pick up a brush. Yeah that makes. Is that fair. A lot of yeah very fair. And here's here's the there. She's going to paint a picture for her life. She'll just do it without you. And i remember distinctly about a decade ago and then it happened again or four years ago where i realized i had put my wife in a position where she had to paint a picture because i had excluded her from the one i was painting and i gotta keep going back and i gotta keep going back and now i've developed a rhythm where this is just a part of our life where i keep coming back to the table. Making sure were both work on the same campus. But i but you. But doing all that john he still got to make it clear. This is important to me that if we're going to get married. This is how i believe we should handle money. What questions do you have still take it back to her right so the question becomes less. I wanna do this thing for our family and more. I am terrified. I can't breathe with all this debt. Yes and give her some. Why not how. Jesus overwhelming her with another plan another plan. Hey let's go on a vacation not for us to to to spend time together not for us to deepen our relationship. Not i get some are but so that we can do this track. That i found that i got a plan and a plan to plan to plant. That's that's different. So i want you to sit down with her and say the debt and our relationship makes it to where i can't sleep and i can't breathe. I can't fathom bringing kids into this relationship. I can't fathom twenty years down the road and we to this money. Will you be a part of painting that in. That's a different conversation than how. I got another plan for us right. Yeah that's right. That's absolutely and then. She's a part of painting that picture. No thank you for the call. jared's awesome. Hey you're good man jerry. I'm glad that you called and said hey how can we. How can i turn this thing around. I want you to go to her and ask for her input for the first time. Yeah yeah good stuff. Triple eight eight to five five to five. Let's go back to. We're getting some fun questions from youtube. We're kind of go. Hey fire those away in the chat room so we only got a couple of minutes. We'll do this one. Okay all right. All right was that phone was a sad one. But it's it's it's unique. I haven't heard this. Yeah so jack road. I keep hearing the phrase toxic positively. What is it. I have the same question. I think i know but take that one on. So it's the other side of the bell curve we all know. Er though line is tale. He's depressed never never picks up issues. My wife always wants to watch her show. She a great wife. Yeah she good mom the she love you hear it right and what are you doing. This is the opposite of that. Hey you're aw your husband's cheating on you hon. Yeah but he provides food and He is always right. Talked with positional optimism. That's right okay. And it's not. I'm an optimist by nature. Though i said delusion restaurant word there there's a wow well he left me so It's probably for the best. So i'm gonna find the happy here in. Your house is on fire. Well the furnace needed to be re. We have you know what we probably need. Some more carbon in the atmosphere character on saturday night live. Oh boy it is right now. But it's it's a coping strategy it's an inability to say i am in a mess. This is hard right now and I need to grieve this my heart broken and man. Sometimes people have heard this phrase several times especi- people who work in trauma. They say if i start crying i'll never be able to stop and one way to combat that unhealthy it's pathological but an unhealthy way to come. That is toxic positively. I'm just going to ignore anything. Negative and we'll just continue to. We'll repeat those phrases that we see on bathroom walls in on pillows right there crocheted on those little signs and bathroom walls not on the author. Most but we don't have time for this but Next time we're together on the ramsey show. I think we might breakdown toxic. How do we know if it's toxic or something. Because i'm afraid this word getting worn out of control between that's not great versus toxic talks. I go allah touch that batman like batman movie where you fell in the toxics live and die versus. That's a great net people have crapper. I'm uncomfortable. I don't know you got to be careful that word. I'm with you pause the next time you wanna say toxic clause and go gonna melt to die could start there. This is what you've come to the raves. Show for right there that kind of death dope for coming right back Welcome back america. You're joining the conversation here on the ramsey show. I'm ken coleman joined by my colleague. Dr john baloney thrilled. That you with us triple eight eight to five five. Two two five. Is the phone number today. Scripture comes from mica six verse eight he has shown you mortal what is good. And what does the lord require of you to act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your god or quote from helen. Keller character cannot be developed ease and quiet only experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened ambition inspired and success achieved. You know john. You and i were talking earlier that It's sad how little history we americans no. I think if there was one woman that everybody ought to know every time they hear the name and everything about or it's helen keller. She believable strength. She pulls a lot of excuses off the table for me anytime. i think you know. This is too hard. no it's not. You know what i mean. What an unbelievable story. I think we gloss over the quote like that when you think about the woman and what she went through i listen if your parent i would teach your kids about helen. Keller and if your parent Would teach your kids and yourself around the community. That rallied around her. Oh shit she had a lot of people in our corner to. We tell that whole story about a community to support each other. It's awesome scrape all right. Let's go to kalamazoo michigan. And chris is on the line there. Chris nocco help Well i'm disabled pacing divorce And trying to find the direction. I definitely chris. What happened man What do you mean by what happened was working situation us. I'll tell you what let's go with the disability i. What are you facing. Broken the last seventeen years but not he'll know all religion surgeries whatnot. It hurts the sand. Until are you Primarily wheelchair or something. I know i land. Okay okay gotcha. All right and talk about the divorce. What's going on there Two and a half that day marriage and she decided to hook up with somebody that you knew from high school. I'm sorry when did this happen. It's been going on the last year. Okay when is it a little thing. I'm hoping that they it'll be soon. Yeah and so you call us and ask what's next i'll ask you what's next I like find some purpose for my life. Something maybe help others with my life challenges that i've been through maybe to help others but just don't know how to go about it. Okay oh i love this so chris. Let's start with a big fun question. And i want you to if you can disconnect your brain for second answer with your heart. Okay i want you just just let your heart answer this question. What would you try tomorrow if you knew you could not fail. You knew that you could not fail in that you would really enjoy it. But she didn't also have to commit to it for the rest of your life. Oh do chris. That's a pretty tough one. There really i know. But here's what. I know chris. I've asked that question thousands of times. And i know that when i asked it there were ideas that were pop it in your head. I know this to be true. But it's hard to kind of fire something off but we're not holding you to it. Chris has nothing to be ashamed of. Some what would you do chris. What would you try even an area. Who would you help. How would you help them. And you get paid for. What would you charteris people dealing with pain. Yeah there's a whole lot of purpose. They're what's it been like for you to deal. Seventeen years of a debilitating pain that affects your ability just function normally and walk. That's what it does and that's up your whole function. What kind of work do you do now. I said i'm on disability. Okay you are on full disability. Yeah let me ask you this. How how limited. Answer them to get you. I get you. We're gonna help you with that by the way. So what could you do. Is it something that you can sit at a desk Sit and talk on the phone over video. i mean what. Tell me what the physical limitations are beyond pain all. That's that's the biggest problem. Is the pain just debilitate. You the point where you just don't wanna do nothing you know when it hurts to stand up sort of sucks but if you were helping somebody power gideon better outlook. It'd be able to help somebody else. Sure he would destroy on know that it gives you that purpose talking about gives you contribution that's it and that's and that's that's what i talk about every day and i think there's something there and i think you've got to get to a point year. Okay i still have some talent the fact that your leg is causing all this physical and mental pain does it take away from the fact that you still have talent if i internet. Everybody knows you. Chris i went around kalamazoo and wherever else they live and i said. Tell me what. Chris does best. Would they tell me. I don't know. Jared help i was yes. Come on. there's something else there. Talk to me about a technical skill or hard skill that you're just good at doing. Talk me chris. Tell us gotta history of mckay. Good mechanical ability. But that's sort of gets taken away years. I get that i get that. Let me push back. Chris but a mechanic is not just good with his hands or her hand mechanics good with their brain things that i see. They can analyze and then they fix the problem. Don't you still have that mechanical brain. Chris went back to school and try to do something in the medical field but it was just physically to physically demanding. Go all right now. John and i can't solve the physical part and john. I want you to come in. And let's talk about some of the motion stuff. But i want to get to the financial chris. Here's what we're gonna do for you chris. Just a moment will put you on. Hold and laura's get you in ramsey plus. It's going to get you. financial peace. University will get you copy dave's book that's helped millions of people total money makeover. Oh and read it. I you to do it because i'm telling you brother you can do it. We've got a plan for you to get your financial house in order. Okay and i know it's tough because you're on disability John turn it over to you. Because he's the you know this guy's been through this the medical stuff the mental stuff. But but chris he'll take something you have got to find a way to use that mechanical brain because that brain still can add tremendous value in so many places in this world because really you're that mathematician your that problem-solver and there's value. There are things you can do But i would also want you to look into a little bit more On the helping people side of things and how we get you qualified. So i'm going to turn you over to john. 'cause i want john encourage your heart because that's a big part of this. We're going to get you in ramsey. Plus where you get all that plus everydollar. We're going to get you and laura. Let's also get him a counseling session where we can get you one of our coaches. That's our gift to you. And get you a starting point and get you off into this and i also want you to consider calling my show The next couple of weeks and let's do a deep dive on some possibilities. john chris. Are you heartbroken that your wife did this to you. 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Ryoma joins to talk 100T: from LCS to Academy, CLG's 3-0 weekend and more | HLL 178

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Ryoma joins to talk 100T: from LCS to Academy, CLG's 3-0 weekend and more | HLL 178

"Oh it is hotline league episode one. Seventy eight everybody mark and i are so awake right now we are jamming. Actually thank god the show sponsored by game field because we're gonna be drinking that stay awake during the show But no it's it's been. It's been an exciting week in the with some drama. Some intrigues a mystery You know all sorts of stuff and we have this week ryo. Who's looking a little blurry right now. His camera having our time focusing him because everything in his room is so white. I not know where to find. Focus but maybe takes before. It's you're working on it. I think while while he works on that let me go ahead and injuries my constant co host mark zero and. How's it going mark. Nothing happened of note this weekend No one talked about anything interesting. I don't think there was no drama negatively these days What did you there. Were two to read it. Threads about the lcs castrate. Yes there were okay. One of them will be wicked. Talk about it. We'll talk about it but before this is the banter part beforehand before we get into this year. We're having fun. This is the only part where you and i get to just be happy. So tell me give give me a happy thing that happened for you this week. Mark okay nothing me on wednesday. That was fun. How was that. it was good I got a good look at any diana before it showed up on the stage. so little sneaky. Watch me pull some people pop off with that. Nice clear. Getting summit some More casting county should be doing it again this weekend on wednesday as well. Yeah well i'm glad to glad to hear you're wonderful voice. Yeah let's keep going. Just keep i was just got in from out of town. I actually i. I was catching up on the games. Because i miss yesterday. I was doing some father's day stuff with family but Wanna give a shout at to earlier and game field before we get into the show for sponsoring it. We'll talk more about them later. Roma's here though riaan. Welcome to the show. First time you've ever been on. And by the way. I think you more than anybody has brought. Just a crew of of e people to our chat like i see obviously the papacy here but spun also hear or saw contracts earlier fudge just a whole whole slew of people. Why are you so popular within the alsacien. What is so popular batch. You hopefully I just. I got some good friends. That'll out of you. Whatever you'd run to convince all these people to be your pal not much honestly so much now in digital close friends. I think majority of pretty close. I talked to them pretty pretty often. I guess you are trying to think of helmet will deep. I starting to think of how many oceania people we've had on the the show oceanic people we've had on the show this year. I feel like we've had a ton you are one more. I guess this is the new the new world that we live in here in the lcs. Oh we've had a lot of people on an eight people. But i was talking about oshii anik and i guess they are there. Yes how life gone for you rhianna. Because i know obviously people when you're in the lcs people a lot of interviews you. You're just getting a lot more attention. You're on the broadcast but Since you've been you've been chilling in an academy. How's how's life gone It's actually going pretty good. I think. I think we're sitting up first place with a couple of points i'd say but it's actually pretty good I think it's clear that one of the top teams we're gonna public contest. I think the end over. I think we're going to be playing in the finals and stuff. I think we improved a lot just like team wise inc of a lot of young people in my name and if it was you know really weird because i feel like i'm still pretty young. You know it's really nice to i guess. Help my team and by the end of the hopefully come out on top how we hold are you and how old are the rest of the folks on your team. I'm twenty one right now turning twenty two in a couple of days actually twenty every burglar this month yet very soon and i think they'll youngest festivities tenacity. I think he's warning tissue it in two. I could be wrong but two days weeks. I mean that makes some very young age as okay. 'cause i mean that's there's we still have some young some young folks in kademi and and even below that an amateur so i never know but either way how what is it. What are kind of differences. Because i know you've you've played a couple of times now obviously played an academy a couple of times like is the vibe. Just way different between the two. I don't know if one feels like less stressful. I don't know if one feels. I don't know more more epic i i don't know or maybe it all feels very similar would say it's very similar. I think else. Yes definitely more. I guess like the games on as loose sense. I think maybe this year. I mean maybe this year i think it's been i think the stadiums have been pretty wild ally does mean a lot of action in most stay james but It academy especially. There's a lot of fighting. I think everyone just like everything is like really wants to give. I guess everyone just wants to kind of fight and nothing. That's like well. we find that. I guess as an academy team. I guess that's like the biggest difference that i've seen just like more hand battling than actual team play. I like hand. battling. I've heard like sony has better hands but i heard the the active like our hands are badly right now. Is that an oceanic term or is it a academy term. I've never heard either. I've heard the hands thing. But i haven't had been battling convalescing overseas. This is i guess i guess. Is it pretty much just hand. Battling and host reason gets a lot of memes ripped off from the rest of the world. I mean especially whenever they're all coming to compete in the our academy system What somebody in the chest has asked him about the star him. What is that they were at the star. Emote and marple other people are spamming it now on his Domes one go if they will nice. What actually okay. Maybe maybe i mis remembering but didn't didn't maybe pops corrected papa. Smith not say a one once before as well like he they go. Yeah give tommy gold star something. Maybe i'm totally crazy. Or is he joking about it from the online of i come from the highest papa. Smith it was on the highest from zeke's for awarding or something and then every spamming in chad is if it's like a widely known thing but then right home and papa smith yeah. I think that's like a thing. I don't know so a dan come up with. He stole it from something at hundred and then it spent his like tommy gets a gold star. Whatever okay spun. Says it's a widely known thing. Okay well regardless. I appreciate what. How have you been delayed. Because i remember. I did an interview with you. And i think february of last year. It was one of the few interviews that i got to before. Everything went Remote and i talk to you. And i asked you like hey. What has it been like for you because your initial entrance into the lcs people were just like. Oh my god rayo mother bringing over this oceanic mid lehner blah and you took a lot of heat and then since then i like you know there are. There are moments. Are you clearly. Have a law support from a lot of people in the industry. Because they're all in the chat rain now. Talking about how handsome you are and how great you are but then you also have a lot of critics so you were no longer the fresh Face i guess to the lcs year veteran of all these like internet wars for the past eighteen months about about you. So how have you been dealing with it. Are you at a good place out. You just kind of except i dunno like how. How do you handle you know people both now very strongly supporting you also very strongly. Critiquing you I'll i kinda got us thought. I guess you just happens. Like i can understand why i guess and i tell. I'm in a pretty good ball. I think there's a lot of people who i can talk to. I guess if it's like too much. I get like pretty much. That's about it. I just talked to people who who can kind of support me. Even if it's a rough time for me. I feel like that was pretty important whereas i think lush ios definitely auto just coming you not many friends and then you take on. That was pretty rough. But i think it's going love better now. Yeah i got a lot of people and it's getting better. it's good. I mean we were just talking a little bit before this. I saw you recently at one of the very actually the very first party. I've been to the past year and a half or maybe i shouldn't say party get together. And you were there hanging out and Is kind of cool to see click. Clearly you have a lot of friends in the space and so it's been neat to see see you Really get comfortable. I think with with the world everybody. That's here so i pulled a caller called skill. Shot master for twenty basically asked the same question you just asked drivers bay typed it in all caps and i'm i'm gonna. I'm moving from the waiting room. But he said. Joe big tommy. What up blood. You can leave it there. You can leave him there. Because maybe he'll rephrase it in a different way but this is what happens when you pull people so early okay. Steal people's questions for our guests. I didn't know that you were just having a general chat. It's a fair question Okay so everything that has happened in the past week so i'll start with my my drama So i reported the elsia team owners. voted to Make the academy requirements not mandatory Since then commissioner really has been saying there was no vote. I would content. I use the word. Vote by the way because it was a word that one of my sources had had said greeley used in a meeting with team staff. So maybe he was paraphrasing greeley. Or whatever i still stand by the the story that a majority of elsia team owners are in favor of removing the academy requirement. So we can talk about that if we want And then mark. You've also had some you. You were kind of battling on behalf. I feel like of the broadcast on reddit and on twitter This this week. I don't know if you wanna talk about any of that. But i figure maybe somebody wants to call and talk about the production stuff because we are sometimes feel. Does it better just to do it now or should i actually wait for caller because well i don't know i don't know if you have any general thoughts on anything that you saw during that time i mean like some of the stuff is pretty understandable like this long time between games. We don't like that and it's like well neither do we. I think there's a big misconception that it's like yeah a-list wants to talk more so fucking into game and it's like no anytime it's not seventeen minutes from and like the ideal time is seventeen minutes. We shoot for any time. There's used to be shorter. I think by the way no didn't from next this explosion till game started was it was seventeen has always been the goal. Okay now. it's gotten longer probably is what has happened. Not that used to be shorter I think what's happened is that there's more protocols and stuff and there's more delays and things. I'm gonna look it up. Because i swear to god. It used to be shorter. I let's. Let's do it together. And i'm going to go look up with a random twenty fourteen c l summer vaud okay. Well while mark is doing that. Because i can't do we can't both be hosting the show. We can't have women might do it. You do it why i do this. Okay okay okay. i'll you look it up so anyway. The the point is that it's not like we're choosing to be longer. It's like how long realistically takes to swap everything out. So the players out swapped the gear out sanitized bring new players on play on all their stuff tech check which the texture is not insignificant. It's like players should be checking mice. Keyboards sound settings. Sometimes they load loading the game. Click around make sure everything's right it's takes. It takes a minute to get through all that stuff. And so like the desk and content is not there to prolong. The show is there to fill the void between games. And so i think sometimes people seem to think they're like choosing to do this and so many people are like well get it lower faster and it's like well i don't know if you know how reality works but like you can't just make things happen instantaneously so like and i also would say in general not saying the great but in general sports is actually pretty good about turnaround times on things. Compared compared to of sports. I will agree with you on that Not saying perfect. Not saying this has been the goal or the like hitting the thing For for summer but like everyone knows that. And we're trying to fix it. That's not like really. I know the that blew up. But i respond something in the day on sunday about that. Which is more like clarification and transparency around it and then there the tsm thing that blew up later because we had hundreds of us play yell and then there was tsm versus seni- and like after the tsmc game we had it was realistically about half the segment devoted to discussing. Who is the number one team. But apparently that was too much in some people's eyes and they wanted us to just spend more time talking about tm winning. It was also weird given that we had a pause in the middle of the game at like fifty minutes where we talked about the draft again and we talked about a couple of the first place. So like i didn't think in a lot of us didn't think it was like compelling content to hit that again so anyways it people like you should do more post game analysis and then that was a bit of a disaster because like i don't think that's what you mean. I think what you meant was you didn't like that segment which is a fair opinion to have but we haven't been doing post games like at all. This split are hardly at all and so it was one of those things where it's like. The fans are saying one thing but their emotions and what they're upset about is clearly saying another like they don't want more post games generally because there's a host of other teams who have not been getting any post games and it's not those fans who are complaining so so one of the challenges i'm running and looking for the stuff online is all the odds are cut to only be the game So i don't know where to find like the full idea. I happened to stumble upon the tsm dig game. That's like fifty four minutes long from august. Twenty third twenty fourteen back in the good old fifty four minute long legal agencies Okay great well. I'm glad i'm glad we divvied up the work the way we did While you're looking into that. I will take over 'cause 'cause you and i will. Obviously i think talk a lot about that. But i i think a lot of people will have questions for roma about what's been happening in the us and when he got you all right this this game. This is from two thousand fourteen and a summer week. One day one. The game ended in the total vodka. Six-hour vodka into the two zero two twenty seven seconds next game champion selects started at two nineteen twenty six seconds chavez. Can you do some quick math for me. Is that about seventeen fucking minutes. Is that almost exactly. What i just said is the goal. And then you said like i think it was shorter back in the neither. Must've been a technical delay on your fucking right do once. It was one second faster it was it was sixteen minutes fifty nine seconds faster back in the day i can i. I see that we're going to have a spicy episode is in a certain mood All the like no. You're wrong and i was like brown. I work on the broadcast. This is the classic thing where it's like. I have no idea what i'm saying. The my only confusion was you. Were not working on the broadcast in two thousand fourteen. So that's why. I had more confidence in this but people talk like people who were there and twenty. Fourteen like yeah. This is what we've always had okay So tsm wint three. Oh and sealed. G went three. Oh this past weekend. Which i'm sure a lot of people have some interesting things talk about. Cg rising rhianna. How much have you been watching. Do you watch all game. Watch majority of these games unless they have come up with. Good plan joys. Very easy execution comes to work with very like dive heavy. i'd say I think what the what they're doing is actually pretty. And i think a lot of teams can actually take from and improve. Probably so on that. How much do you think is like face role cop easy to win. And how much is like. This is like looking forward to next week. Should all the teams trying to like similar things. Like just a good meta thing or is it like a crutch almost i i always think it's like champion dependent. Gas like i'd say gathered is easier to play like really require much to do in line and same. We'd like champs. I guess. I'd say once you get past that lane. It's really easy for you. To find windows to break open and enemy team has to kinda like i miss that a lot and kind of happens a lot on stage people into positions and stuff and you just have to punish windows and once you have they like i guess once you ever work on it's really nice to fund there's windows i think even i m t's draft i guess there were conway knocked. I think stuff like that. I think was like i think it was the reason why they win. Like they won that game. Well i mean. I think there's been a lot of discussion around how well seal jesus knows them at right now and kind of what's been going on so i either way i don't want to steal even more callers. Take some questions. But i think that'll be an interesting discussion as we get into the show. So that's a big thing. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that are major narratives in lcs right. Now that i'm forgetting a maybe twitter chat remember or maybe we pulled some some calls about it. But i definitely think i think it's interesting. What actually. I have one quick question that i hope own infringe on on any other callers mark and roma. I'd love to get your take or it feels like in summer split of the lcs more than in spring more than in a while we there are so many games where the gold graph is like all in favor for one team and then you get to like two or three minutes before the end or maybe five minutes and there's just a giant cliff and then the other team wins and I like one of the greatest examples of this. I think is the immortals Matches from. I think you guys showed on saturday. The their gold graph from like the friday and the like sunday was yeah and And it feels like. I've seen that multiple times are at the very least even if the goal grass. Don't look that way similar story where it's like. Wow these teams. Were winning all the way up until the moment they lost. And i'm i'm kinda talked a little bit about it in the Interviews at this weekend but one is fine. 'cause i asked this question to finn in in the interview with them. It's on the channel and there are some smart asses in the comments. That were like travis and understand that teams can be like one. One team could be better at team fighting and the other team can be better at leaning. I'm like i totally get that But i've just noticing it all lot right now and i don't know if that's like the meta is just allowing for like crazy volatility late game or if it is we just have some teams that are really shit early. Gave and really great late or people are just picking cops that are just like going in different directions. So i'm kind of curious. You guys are both you know far more knowledgeable on the stuff that i am. What is what is happening. coin flip. I don't know. is it happening. Lorrimore am i am i. I just noticing it like the blue car syndrome or is it just does it as it actually feel like. It's happening a lot more these days. The split hands on what teams as well. I think e g in particular have a good team to watch. We'll one before. They went on their win streak. I feel like it was happening. Zoology a lot to right. Where the oughta games were like. They were winning ton. And then they just lose immortals. Had this like and so when you're seeing it so frequently We just to my is. It feels like it's very common In the lcs. right now. and i don't know i don't know if that's just the state of the game. The only thing. I can see about it being a state of the game thing. Is that in a lot of games where becomes volatile in the late game. Usually one team won the early game and they'll have like three or four drake's usually like on seoul point or something that they'll get soul and then you get like really wonky one team is like not gonna wanna take those traits that you hitting these weird trade situations which can lead into bases and stuff. That's the only thing i can possibly think of. But we've had drake soul and stuff for awhile. I think it's just aberrations you know i don't know why why they would be anything in the meta. That's like yeah we'll because they had zigzag they had to back door and make it fucking wild for tsn. I don't know yeah. Well i guess we will see All right well without further ado mark has already pulled a ton of collars so we don't need to do the spiel but it is a call in show. This is your first time here and You can join our discord. If you'd like to to be able to put a question in the future and there if you are sub make sure you you sink your twitch chat or your twitter account with your discord so you can get access. The sub topics channel Yeah all right we're gonna go grab bars for store aren't Thank you to bob. Sixty nine for the job corps user twitch for gifting to subs shampoo for two years core user twitch for the sub For six months wick helm. A red rain filed fourteen pluto. Some four four three thirty nine months holy-moly christian kaelin t punishes two four seven Canot clock country with all these gifted subs. Oh my gosh ten. One one up. 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What do you want to talk about this time. i'll talk about one hundred these performance of specifically doggie and since we only used to be playing used to play with the Used to play with the star one hundred players. I want to ask him. What do you think of our dogs performance during three weeks. He's been booming a lot. And i not isn't gonna three and zero and all that too. I wanna look at performance on autism hundred performance as a whole and we shouldn't forget one hundred fees bt esim before and like and pretty sure like abadaka pretty pretty much contested fuel. We pretty well so real more. Do you think about avocados performance like during his three weeks. When you say he's been booming. Do you mean like would weigh in a good way in a good way. I was gonna say because i'm like i'm pretty sure he's been pretty good. But twitch chat seems kind of confused by it. So that's why i was asking all right so aga. What do you think of his entrance to the team. Raoma i think i obviously scream him as well so i get to get more some insights. How now lanes and stuff. I think he's actually pretty good. I think he's joe pretty standard milano. I think you know we're gonna get from him of similar to like. I guess when. I like when i was perks. I get the same kind of fuel i feel like that. Kind of impact. I guess it helps a lot when you have that lane. Pressurall equates a lotta. I guess windows for your team to punish a lot more. I think also he also caused like he called he was like for like plays he calls plays like really well. I'd say the windows. He sees a pretty good especially when he's playing like a collie say i think that's why he had. I really good. I think i was actually against the osama's well. He's a colleague game. I think when you have like that kind of mindset kinda placed all. I think you pop. Do you think he's doing a lot of in game leadership to the team and direction because they feel like one of the issues that happened a lot last Split for the team as it seemed like sometimes it hundred t we get like lead and then things would just go sideways or whatever. So i don't know how vocal he is and how much he's he's doing stuff but I wouldn't say it's a leadership thing are. They just pressurize on the map. I just think it's harder to verse. Andreotti's especially i mean. It's pretty obvious that he's pretty good. And i also want to point now also that I don't like i don't mean to like drop down rome also. I know that you have been playing practicing a lot to try and improve. Also people are being saying also that because a hundred did really good with our alma. An avocado is like a super upgrade. And when i looked at a performance he actually did pretty well People always say like. Oh maybe dog a one day. He's gonna fall and as state someone will say. Oh bench dog get real me back or demonte or whatnot. And i'm like the same. Goes for perks and king and all that to like that. But that's one wondering. Because i'm saying this because i know that you haven't been playing aloft realme you playing kademi More often so. I know that i'm not like trying to downsize you and i think maybe i'm just wondering in general what do you think of his performance that He has been. He has been trying like defend hundred thieves position to really reach for worlds. And all that. I guess we'll hundred. I think they'll make the list this time around. I think i think they'll be a top two team but ended it on my show who win. I guess that's my take on it. It's like one of those conversations or he's got your foot in your mouth and you don't know how to get a call it. Here's something i'll ask. How closely does the academy team work with them. Because reports the other kind of big change from spring to summer and we had johnston on last week kind of saying. Hey you know for the hundreds improvement you know how. How big is report. So i don't know if you've had the opportunity to work with or even just see him work with the main team. Think from what. I've seen and heard i guess i think he has been pretty good for them. I can see. I guess just mentality shifts. I guess i think they more not as loose. I guess as before. I feel it's more just i feel i feel like they're on the pod. I guess like just set like just looking just having a good mindset when it comes to like just cina goals looseness in mice showed in the the immortals game. They played where it was probably one of the worst place. I've seen in a long time there. If you watch the game. They were getting dove top lane and like they killed someday and then like t teepee finished and then they killed a dog and a closers like trying to run to the terror and they killed him and it was like horrible but it didn't slow them down at all whereas i feel like a lot of times. Lcs teams on stage. If something goes wrong they start getting a little shy. Like i think the looseness that they play with this is pretty apparent. And so i can totally see what you're talking about about that kind of my set being better well either way. Thank you so much Collar for taking the time to call. Is there anything that you want to shut out before we move on to our next caller Just under these in general and my report also just like he's been pretty much doing a really good job coaching Ever since he just got on air was surprised by his return and He's been doing really good job coming back and i hope that Like cut like c nine. He can bring hundred thieves. Two worlds Maybe bring a even to semi finals again. Nice well thank you so much for the call and we will catch you next time. Thank you all right. Mark off to grab the next co mark off grab the next caller Thank you to the slather. Puss burnt cooter rotator of k. Hippo squirrel and i m z. Ginger for the subs are as appreciate it. it's very nice. Everybody twitter twitter chat at be nice. Everyone i there's extra aggressive tonight. Maybe let's all just chill. All right next up is skill. Shot master four twenty. Great name where you calling from. Y'all i'm calling from the den die here is like say what's up to ut gaffe. Oh marqus e ig ryo me tommy to shoes tommy tuesday pissed murph and all over the lcs west palm. Do you want to talk about on the show. Skill shot a man so when you got in last split you know. It was kind of unfortunate circumstances. You're coming in for demonte and with all the chatter from your previous. What how are you able to get in the mindset to be able to perform in. let's not. Let's not take anything down. He did pretty well. You're able to take down dignatories in that playoff series. Like how are you able to get into that situation knowing that you're coming in for guy who's supposed to carry this team to a possible. Msi appearance Always mice what minding. I mean i felt like if i were hard enough eventually. Get back up. It would take time. It took a very long time in my opinion I go todd. I felt like dad kademi as well as doing pretty well. I think were doing pretty well as an academy team. So i just felt like as always i worked on. You know like. I'll try anything takes to be back. Does yes pretty much and just my mindset Yeah i mean. It's an interesting situation when you find yourself coming in like halfway through the split Does is that. What was the team like when you walked in to that team as like a tough situation where i don't know maybe people's like mental isn't where it needs to be or whatever it's i imagine it's much more difficult than starting from square one. Yeah it was pretty honestly. I feel like it was. It could have been worse. I think we're all pretty good friends. Like lashio really good friends. I think we will pretty close like individual and particularly with everyone. It was just like kinda hard just because of the hat before prior to the downfall and just talked a lot when they saw losing. I guess but. I think the visor pretty good like when i came in for like roy moore improving. Maybe as fast as we wanted to. But it is what it was. Yeah i dunno mark if you have any thoughts on roma's triumphant appearance. Last split his. I e c even now some of the Substitution gone on. Where it's like something's on fire brought in and it's like all right. I guess i'm here to help. Put out some of these fires you know. It's it's just never great. It's not the way you wanna like. Come back into the lcs. When when things are already like going down it feels kind of almost. Lose unless you actually turn it around. It's like holy shit. We're back on top everything else just feels like it's not going to be well received. Well i imagine is tough because it's like whenever that whenever hundred tea or any teams in a tough situation and they are losing games. People think they should win. I assume it's a thing where like everybody has their opinion on what is going wrong and so when you show up on the team people like is should. It shouldn't be him. They need to fix these other issues as well as he here or you show up on the team. And they're like he's not fixing the issues like they're still imagine it just puts a lot more pressure on you. Yeah i mean any pressure hours like construct. i guess there's only so much you can do like individually. It's more about how i team. You kinda bounced back. I guess it's just like having a better mentality making sure you're cutting improving every day but at the time it was i mean i was just my mindset at least at the time just individually trying to keep up making sure among the top it happens. Will skill shot Quick call. But i think he he probably was able to answer your question. Anything you want to say before. We take a quick break. Yeah i just thank. Y'all shot to Alienware for the dope ass headsets. Also shout out roma man. I believe in you men. You're gonna come back and you're gonna piss murph all over the lcs you're gonna take a stomp on your size twenty four boo on the entire lcs. And i'm going to be extremely excited to see that once your back man. Thank you so much skill shot for the calling next time. Thanks night base. 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I compared to them to the dignity of a bit split. I got a i got a few points as to why i don't believe the immortal site. Okay go for it. Yeah so kind of start. I'll be quick with all the individual points because i have a few. I don't think kind of peace for peace or player player mortals looks notably better. They did last split outside of. Maybe the bottling oscar the one exception zirk also as well. But i still feel like. He's kind of rumble. One tricking revenge in the top leeann. I feel like is brady. Pretty inconsistent with friends compared him to kind of the jews. Uk of the top line that he's super super coin. Flippy like one week. He could beat al. Dari and the next week could like lose to fake god. Also in addition to that I'm not really a huge believer in kyoto. He coached a tenth place origin. Last he brought over his ercsi. But i think even that origin roster had a lot of better players part for part had had authority upset as eighty carey and kind of the final final point is that i do not believe that after kind of one. Good start to the split. That une does kind of the past year and a half of immortals taking ever since the optic merge and kind of note. I had more faith in the mt twenty-seven spring roster that got seventh with dr dock. And poulter that right now. Because i feel like that twenty seventeen roster at least had like very defined strengths being like po- belter being a in amid ever since he fixed. Dpi issue of that season and ole back in the day it was one of the best roaming supports. And so i had more faith in that seventy not to go into the twenty seventeen roster because they're not playing now. Yeah yeah the yeah. My overall point being that. Like i know that like once upon a time immortals may have been able to kind of turn around their their poor performance. But i just do not feel that way about the current iteration of immortals roma had a giant grin on his face for a lot of this or rather stifled grant. I should say so. I'm curious how much he will admit to agreeing. This versus how much of it he he disagrees with and i i find it was just the funny thing goes. I have two friends. I get the berlin. I think they've played pretty well. Elise so okay. So when he the bottling you yeah. I was supposed to be happy about that barbosa because the hotel is funny because You know the situation lost when we and they kind of had every make Draw that situation when i guess when mortgages brought up it's just funny. I always think about that one. Yeah i forgot. I actually kinda sad. Because i heard that you guys were unhappy during that like behind the scenes and i wish that that beef got pulled up a little bit more because it is like spicy elsia drama. That could create like an interesting rivalry between you. You guys so i don't you. Are you still feeling grouchy about it. Not one still least say it wasn't the west. I was just wanting. Because i don't know if i'm going detail thought we in the game but on the outside you don't actually get to see it again because the seven minute delay. I think so you guys were just champs elect but when we in the game was i says blood and then the game pools and then remade so timing. I just feel really funny. That's all and then. I guess that's why i've got nothing okay. We'll talk going away from that. What do you think mark. I was in the minor thing for me is also. I wish we had a preview for that one. Because i got to imagine there's shit talk going down in the chat because that's one of the best things being back in the studio. Yes i heard. There was some talk but Roma what do you think of the rest of the callers points like is. I m t overrated. Right now is what do you think i think. Honestly i didn't think the okay i can understand. Why the coolest who this way you know. Like top side is not shrunk bit i n not shrunk by like. I guess they bought is overperforming. I'd say covering a lotta hoes dame. Let's say. I think he's actually pretty good from what i see. I feel like he's actually making a lot of places. But i team covering a lot of the early game. I feel like they played pretty well as well sir i. I think i was a sudden. Is that good. But i mean it's just in comparison to the top players. I guess i. I think we should just clip the start of the call and just send it to the immortals guys too you know. Normally they're at least one of them is the court so late every nobody started screaming During the twitch chat it was funny. I saw revenge because their last game on sunday as i was leaving and he was like hotline league tomorrow. Yup can't wait first mortals topic. These guys suck. I don't fully agree with the caller. I think they have improved. He says the dignity of last split. And i'm like yes you're right. doing tausif. last split was a team. That didn't have a ton of like expectations or like raw skill. Or whatever you wanna call it but they were able to take winds off. Top teams beat the teams below them by being scrappy. Or you know having interesting drafts. Doc was playing random shit like no. Actually that's the right comparison. You just look at it in a negative angle like yeah. They're not going to win the championship. They might not go to worlds but like for a team to who is struggling a fair amount in sprang to make improvements. I'm yeah the portland is playing better. You're right. I think they're playing a little bit better to he's off lilia hecker duty and actually can play. Like frontline engage. Whatever for the team they could have three. Oh this weekend and they should have. They should beat them. I think they you know. I always feel like if you don't recall one of your weakest members that just fuck with the guy from last hitting the terret. It's of trolling. Which is why. I think the one that one was. Because they just didn't they could have recalled anyone not six eighty carey and maybe one that game. I think it's a bunch of young guys. You know the only one with real like a experience and a major region or a lot of it so like i can understand you know. They made a mistake but they could have beaten. Tsm this weekend. Like i think that's actually pretty impressive. And they do cool things. In the draft. I think the zig pick some of the garage with imperial mandate stuff like they're clearly not just like meta slaves to are just worse versions of top teams like they have their own ideas. Yeah so so. What kind of respond to like the toss comparison being But also a compliment is like i agree because we are still in summer but remember how. I'm sure you remember but dig. Deflated super super quickly in playoffs. And that kind of killed like my hope indignaton and kind of addition to that i think is kind of just on more comfort. Picks than normal. I am worried that if the metal is to ship again in summer and take them off things like rumble that he's going to go back to how performing last spring with the meta was a lot of engage ganging jungle ours. I mean it's possible. It's still early on and this is a longer splits. Surprised if there's peaks and valleys where they would they. They went zero three last week right. You know they were three zero zero three and they went to one this time like i bet some stinker weeks to go but i would also bet that they continue to improve and probably finish around v six which is a improvement. Not their world leaders. Where did they place in spring. Locked up. I mean it's a still go. Jump these one especially yeah. Their development team like they are spending very little money And so i think yeah. I mean if you're if you're ioto and you get that team to fifth place With the budget they spent and by the way they will finish. If that's the case above multiple teams that spent significantly more than them Regardless of of you know who it is because they just know that they rank lower the spending like you can go to your gm and you can say. Look what i did with the budget roster that you got me And so. I think that that's good. The i mean. I also like it is an interesting question on what their their ski there. Scoreline would look like if they hadn't done. They like academy experiment the previous week where they went zero three so not to say that. I think that that was entirely the reason they lost. But like if you told me that they could have picked up one or more. This the only thing is i will say. I don't know if we have a take on hundred tea or sealed. Gi assume. i assume mark. You have some of those on the g one. I think we have one hundred thieves. But i'll say this now and then we can talk a little bit more about it because it's going to be the same. I am like a little skeptical. On hundred t seal g and immortals right now because i feel like we have like the the top of this league has like weakened tremendously You just see like what's going. On with c-9 i don't think like tlc's to be in that great of a place And then even like i don't know e. g. and some of these other teams feel like they are just not looking too hot so i said literally the whole just literally grabbed. Yes we've talked. I thought we talked about this on hotline league last week mark. I'm like i'm feeling kind of down on the lcs. Because i feel like i m alex. I'm i think it's going to get better. I think it's very likely that like van and or afar will come back. I think like some of these other teams will start power up and figure out some of their stuff but right now it certainly feels like we are in a weaker position than we were at the end of spring and so. I think that that is why i want to. I want to see seal g. And i m t and hundred. He tested against the top of part of the league that we had at the end of spring. And i'm hoping those teams turn it on. Is that fair. Yeah that seems pretty. Fair emulator yes. But but maybe i'm wrong. Maybe maybe all these teams are sick. It's great and everything's good certainly not one to sit on the elsia amulya. What what do you. What do you think of all this any final thoughts time. Yeah yeah yeah a. I think i agree that like there. I mean there's obviously agreeing or disagreeing to that. They are performing pretty well at the start of summer But like game by game. Like for example. I didn't think there win oversee nine like it was. It was pretty good like in regards to like towers like particularly in the midland and bottling but i didn't think like play wise. It was super super convincing. I think Blabber had a really really bad diana game that was very uncharacteristic of bladder kind of as well and i guess what i am very very worried about happening is that there's li- remember this. From last spring there was this narrative run dignatories. That was like. Oh just you wait for digging. Tell us to hit playoffs on. They're going to challenge these top teams and then they just like deflate like a balloon the second day they get in so i'm kind of worried that like the same thing is happening again. Also because i used to be a huge immortals fan before the rebrand. So i'm just like very worried about the narrative surrounding them and i feel like i feel like they are showing very much that they are a best of one team Which is which is like what you need to do to place well. Lcs but doesn't give me confidence in them as a team. I would say well. Thank you for the call. Is there anything that you want to shut out before we got to shutout hotline league like i said before first time call and it was super super fun show alienware game fuel as always is always show twitter. Follow me at emulator except the zero and shout to the homeless who all convinced me to try and come on the show a reluctant to well. I'm glad you got on and thank you for being some. Thank you so much yes got. We'll catch an time. Yeah thank you willing. A nice genuine caller. I mean obviously should anti. But i thought he did it in a very strong directed way. Uk mark. Oh he's he's low general. He doesn't look like he's he's clearly. He needs some game field. He needs to check. That thing Sir winter slide. Thank you the prime eefje. Thank you for the re sub. A twenty two months hundred talk talk pot. Thank you for the gifted sub and then for also Two hundred talk jordan. And then also gifting five community subs as well and the rate i think i am. I think that you guys might be the the team with the most active fan. Podcast i would say i don't know if you've interacted with one hundred talk podcast but i think it's really cool that they support the your team so much. Yeah guys they they did we did. We did interview a while back biting. Yeah well thank you to Dancing blades for showing up on the show. What do you Where are you calling from dancing. Blades marietta california. Oh very close to Tequila one of the many places that i am from I i assume it's very hot out there these days. Oh yeah it's been hot lately We just moved out here. actually. I used to. We used to live in la nice. Well what do you want to talk about on the show. What what do you wanna talk about on the show dancing plates. Oh i did you like maybe. That's all you buddy My bad on. What do you want to chat about about Because always been in the top. Three gentler is in the league. But it's pretty overshadowed by blabber and Been up so if they keep it up and you can probably be. Mvp of the split though. It's it's really interesting talking about. Because i what i really liked. You actually has talked about hundred closer. Because i've actually been so much more impressed by these than tm and I think he's really outperforming. Is this a for those of you. That are unaware perhaps being one of them after the tsa gave today or yesterday There was a lot of discussion about hundred tea. And how good they were looking. And that upset. I think a lot of tsn fans on read it so mark. Mark out of criticism of that I think go ahead and they need to be hundred next well I don't know what do you think realme ice dancing. Sorry i think you're lagging a little bit but let's get into roma. What do you think speaker. I think he's up there the list. I'd say. I think maybe this. I'm not to impress. I guess i think close is me looking pretty good. I think the spot that zell game. I'd say he's been looking pretty good. I think he's for low that diana game I think human augie. I think when it comes to like even who. I think when they thirty you're on i think they look a lot better Just that matt movements. And i think it helps like fbi someday low. And i think. I mean honestly i the way i think hundred days right now. Is the team debate. Like even though he recently beat them. I think they ought to be. I think they look like just the best right now. I think Tia salmon speaker like moving past the mvp potential point for now and just talking about him being top three always. I wanna say that because it almost feels like disingenuous to the improvement that he's made for me in my eyes over the most recent to like his career because when he subbed in the first time for tsm it was a total disaster. Was like the acadian. Greg saying he kinda came in and it was like teams exploding felt like and then it took a while to get back into the starting lineup. Then this time it was. I think off dr doc Getting bench and so like ever since. Then he's just been slowly improving. And i think at that point about like blabber not looking good i don't think santorum has looked quite as dominant as his early. I volunteer so. I feel like the door has been opened a little bit more And he has been speaker has been playing by the split. He was good last week. He was top half easily last split. I forget if i put him or dock in my third team all pro. I can't remember close But i can't remember but either way I think it's fair to say blabber something a little bit and so like it does feel to me like one to this. Split are easily closer blabber closer speak. excuse me well. What are the odds of moving away from the mvp discussion. But what do you think the who are the mvp contender sole chance Okay well i would. I don't think like even if tsm finishes number one of these weird teams where. I actually don't feel really is like the sum of their parts right. Yeah they don't feel like oh look at this guy popping off whereas like for hundred closer is like ten kill diana game filling fucking death cap. Third all right. Well i guess he's been playing really well and so it's and it's also the style like i think the things that speak does for. Tsm are a lot more about like advancing wind conditions in like okay. They have the top. I heavily send top. I can he can set up gangs for me. We're gonna chain gang this to control their early games. that way. the victor can scale. I feel like they play such an intelligent game around that stuff. It's not very explosive. It's not very popoff. He's playing volleyball. And he's doing his job I feel like that play style might hurt him whereas i feel like closer closer playing. You know zen paired with karma. It's like this is the show for for him to pop off and it's a little bit more transparent to viewers dancing blades. Mark is coming for your man. What what do you. What do you have to save for that. How get mvp closers. You know showing them up. I mean they definitely have two more games against the of so we have time to figure that out they. I think the hundred thieves had pretty new style that they just adopted for sure. Yeah well i guess. I guess we will as always say we will have to see as things progress over the course of this what i will say. If speaker doesn't up getting mvp. I really appreciate this call. I'll be able to clip it out and put it on twitter and ghetto. Engagement for saying fan predicts it so so far in advance Right realme do you think there's any chance speaker gets mvp. I think it's kinda hard. Because i think it's also placed all dependent like i think we like the main carry. I think he's the only on like the really like vick is a millionaire atlanta. You know you're pretty selfish. We're going to move to many place so it's like you have aldag a plan in our right. You're to look a lot better. So i think it's also depend on the player i mean you're tame and healthiest played a game sir. I think it's also really hard to look good. I guess it very similar to what mark was saying. I think yeah. Rick reminds me a lot of the discussions. We had where you know. Tsm i think had a great season or sorry split in and spring but then whenever came to all pro voting and mvp voting stuff. It was just like tough because players were great but there was not like one. Standout where you're like. Oh my god. This was like the peo- the best midland did vote for. But you get my point dancing. Blades thanks so much for the call. Is there anything you want to say before we move on to the next caller on now. I think i'm good. Thank you guys for having me First time caller. We'll see. yeah thanks for calling in. I really appreciate and we'll catch next time. I was surprised. You said you're going. Clip the call and it was the fact that you know scott predicted not me saying not a fucking chance that speak it gets mvp mark. I'm trying to stay on your good side tonight. That's what i'm that's what. I've decided to take away. I've been friendly entire night. One instance where i wasn't. I'm just very sensitive these days mark. I'm very sensitive. Okay marks off to the next caller. Thank you to Violence for for the prime. And i am elvis for for the research lab rhianna. When was the last time you're able to hit back home. This one comes up a lot. Actually i'm to one and a half years ago. So i mean i think it comes down to nineteen. I think it comes up because so many people are just. I feel bad for a lot of the players that have moved over here. Because it's been. I know a lot of you haven't seen your families and friends very long time so very long time. Actually well hopefully soon. A community welcomed the show where you calling from. I'm calling from san bernardino county california. A lot of california callers today southern california court a community whether you want to talk about on the show. might take today. Is that silly go. And docks pension on dignatories signifies the start of the decline of toss and if both of them stay bench commander of the season. I would be shocked if they even made playoffs at this point so i the some people caught this. I don't know if everybody did but it was very funny because on friday i published an interview that i did the weekend before with jimmy. The coach from dig where the majority of it was talking about dock and he actually talks about how the i like. His first interview for coaching position was with mark. Behrman and steve from team liquid right before breaking point and and there were a lot of questions about how you deal with a player who has a lot of strings and he had talked a lot. About how like i know. He kind of positioned it is like. Oh yeah dr dock. We figured out how to work with them. And he's not been an issue or anything like that and it literally that day. This happens so it just it like the very very funny the way that that went down On that point though yes you did him dirty by recording it a week before but releasing it on the day of the game yeah. I blindly youtube algorithm for that. Because well one yes. I did him dirty. When you take into account. I did not know he was going to be benching dark later. That night ito. But the youtube algorithm i tend to spread my out over the course of the week because youtube won't show it if you'd posts toomey videos so as you know i'll post one on friday before the games people have some time to watch it and then boom so about the The coaching and everything was i. I did a lot of interviewing on like we're gonna hire interview. David lim bunch. You actually end up hiring david limbaugh but like a bunch of people But that was end of two thousand fifteen heading into the twenty. Six split in the pre season like is probably november. Wasn't even like closest season. We're doing some scrums. And i was like fuck this shit and i quit coach so i didn't even make it. Dr wasn't even on the roster. Until i think it was after week one like i didn't even ever actually coach doc That much like we interacted a little bit because the academy team was like down the hall and you know we. We talked and stuff but i never actually worked with him. So if there was someone that that question was targeted towards. I don't remember. But it wasn't dr documented. Some other people on that team. So who knows i pick is probably a name that could have been attached to who knows who knows all right. We'll by the way community just to see just a quick thing i think did you mention you thought that they wouldn't make playoffs Yeah because if you look at it right now. The bottom teams and our own guardians fly quest seal g immortals and toss and i think at the current trajectory of it. I would be i think more than likely it will be a digging tossing golden guardians by making. It was sealed. You fly question immortals all taking the spots over concealed have been on that Rise which will be enough to bombay above if they keep going at the same pace as well as looked great but i still think that they look better than digging toss rate now this point in time without darva concilio how how many games are left. Mark eighteen. I think eighteen. Yeah there's three robbins okay. So it's not so they have a five dig has a five game lead on fly question seal g right now so i guess it's not out of the question like if that team just like hard booms and starts losing a lot of games than I guess it's not out of the question that they could make playoffs. But man how a how dramatic of a fall. I'll have a on my face. Because i've been talking up their coaching staff All right roma what do you think. What are the chances that dig will not make playoffs. You're such a nice friendly guy and we've had so many calls or just like i am. T sucks digs dot making play offs blah blah and. I just heard you like. Are these players bad. Tommy so give give us an update. What do you think Dig not me. He playoffs whatever. The chances i think dig. I mean i. It's kinda obvious they have weakened they're also bought it could right by weakening your roster is not for the better you want a string hester. I mean i saw strengths. While i just i think really good record against like the bottom half of the latter. I think they lost against like they lost majority games against like the top four teams but that are a really good win record against bottom team and i think that's due to like i guess the teamwork like i think they fought like the team. Fighting was a lot better than some teams but a muscial happen off it up. Yeah it seems like in some Flows continue helping him. This time around. Yeah i don't know what the the dock situation that happened. I mean there's enough history there for. I think people will speculate like okay. Seems like he probably had a bit of a blow up the team or something after the loss to golden guardians. Because that's the team that you expect to be stuff. The sui legal one is the one that i don't really understand for a couple reasons like i don't feel like there's a huge skilled discrepancy. Like maybe there's some things that one does better than the other but like circular Goes leaning a little weak but he made a lot of good place. And i felt like to your point that rome was saying they team fought pretty well together and seem to have an idea of how to play the game out as a team. That's kind of disappeared. Lake at four. Zero vigo game by c. Was not where like. I just didn't see him do anything so think. That was the one where i'm like. I don't know what's happening here. Especially as an org that is seemingly more developmentally oriented like. I don't know why you're pulling the plug on -sego unless there's more going on behind the scenes which because it doesn't really make sense on the rift but so he goes seems like a really fucking chill guy when you see him like i can't imagine that guy popping off trying to imagine romo just like screaming at a team i just can't i can't i can't imagine that right. Almost seems like he'd. I could see ram of physically assaulting someone you know like i is that what happened last amazing realme. Me-media is not getting the forehead. I actually one of the things that i miss about you. Playing is watching the media media cisco streams when you were playing because he would just be like tommy like he just he was always tommy. It was either tommy. Or no. Tommy no and it just made it very fun to watch hundred games What is the mark. Maybe you can help me. What is like how frequently does dot get bench and then come back to the team. Because i feel like. I feel like because he gets. I thought the i certainly not the first time. He's ended up benched mid split. And i don't feel like he has a very good success rate of returning. I don't think a time so we were. We were doing some investigation. There's only one time we made it through a whole year without having a getting removed from the roster and that was twenty eighteen with echo fox but every other year. it's it's Come to a moment like this. The only times i can remember him coming back with the t. l. days because on immortals he was just removed been traded to seattle g on seal g. He was just benched for moon. I believe echo foxy was on the whole time on optic. I believe he didn't come back. I don't think he came back on them. So i think that's all of them so i don't know actually. Last year he went down to academy. I think little be on different toss and then came back to dig nas. I think happened last night and look at his rookie. Young nasa kademi june to july. Last year thank you committing good job. Good job investigating on. Tsm last year. Tsm i'm a little. Yeah i was thinking house. He on data join dig. May i think it was like a in between split. Saying it was yeah. It wasn't between because he did not play with with Peter so did he sorry. Are you suggesting community that he got. He didn't play some of the summer split games with big. Yeah i that's what happening. If i'm looking at your saying i was thinking i was lost in the sauce. Okay what regardless. I don't i think it is likely that he does not have a great success. Rate of returning so I just like looking at this week at it. How things went down. There's a lot of questions that can be raised around How is going to go down in the future With our good friend. Doc i my god i just. I'm so curious to see if he if he doesn't come back Is he is he going to be the. Lcs is doc perennial while he just always in the lcs but just a different team Community thank you so much for the call. Anything you wanna shut out before we take a quick break Yeah for for huma. I've a message from someone that he knows from back from. Oc somebody who's sevi- 'cause iraq discord. They miss you an only other. Oc players they'll see us. Thank you thank you. I think i might be confused with two surveys. But i think i mean i saw them in the twitch chat earlier old manager. Yep yeah there you go. I saw them in the very nice. Thank you community for the call and we'll catch next time. Thank you people people Sending their messages to our guests. Through our callers i think is is an interesting development The no bullet. Thank you for the sub. I think i got l. i. Elvis four. And i got seventy putin now. I do not thank you for the subs. Everyone we are trying to build up to one thousand subscribers. Because we were we were down a little bit over the course of this past time rail. You play games other than league really. I mean i don game is bought. I don't really play any game consistently just mainly no no single player games or anything like that nana really Have never done like path of exile. Feel almost every pro at some point time. I haven't done that but i was fine. Okay before off season. I guess before seasons thought well shadow van hanging over media's lush at the time no up talking in their first time playing well nice gotti boys here gotti boy. You've called him previously yes correct. Yeah remind me again where you calling from. I am calling from saint cloud. Minnesota saint cloud minnesota. What do you want to talk about on the show. Yes so my take. Is that with major players. Like spin al fiery doc. Being benched It's causing a problem. Not only for the teams as we talked about in that last call but also for the viewership of the lcs personally as a fan. I'm not as interested in watching the lcs when the big players aren't on the rift and one comparison that you could make is with the nba with the finals and playoffs. You want to see the big players on the court. And even though they're contend to be attitude issues with players. I prefer as a fan to see the better players on the rift regardless of those issues so By the way. You've you regard doc in the to the same level that you do with van and al-farr because there were some some people in the chat i think who were like. Wow doc you consider him to. You wanna see him. Play as much as these guys. Well when you look at a team like dignity us who would you say. Is the best player on the team. It's dark and personally. That's what i think at least and he's definitely one of the more notable benching that's happened. I wouldn't put him in the same tears spending all fiery. But i'd still consider him one of the more fun players to watch in the league. Gotcha neo but i feel. I feel like they're is pretty good but not for the team. Okay so for you. It's just like it's frustrating. Whenever you want to see this guy's playing they're playing at you. Do you watch less gotti boy. Are you like you're not tuning in Honestly i'm a big fan. When i saw that was getting benched and i'm not even trying to throw shade at king or al far even like or or at timken sorry It's just when the big players aren't on the rift. I just i find it hard to to get excited about matches because you know The lcs broadcast. He was trying to hype up. Like this midland matchup this weekend and You know players end up getting benched. What are the lane swab or things like that. It's just you know you get excited for these things and then you just kinda get let down and there's just so much so many unknowns with all these attitude issues that teams are claiming to have and at the end of the day. I just want to see the players on the rift. I don't. I don't really care what's going on. Because obviously i feel like these teams that are benching. Their good players would be performing better if players like founded far. Were in but do you okay. Let's say let's say by the way this is not a thing i've heard i'm just using example punches. A hole in the wall. Because i know that that has happened before the the lcs somebody gets angry. They're screaming in the back room. They punch a hole in the wall. Do you do you think that they should still feel the player or or do you think you know. Even if perhaps it makes you a little bit more. Gotti boy style denmark. Have something say there. Now is a stupid joke. Okay obviously that's pretty extreme. And i know that that did happen but at the end of the day like there's going to be frustration and i totally get that but i also think it's on the coaching staff to key players together. And you know there's so much. I heard a comment. You know that there's like almost too much infrastructure and like too many coaches and it's really sad that in north america we have all this infrastructure and we can't even keep players like like five players Attitudes together on team You know to be able to play together on a on a weekly basis. So that's kinda my problem with it. Is that the coaching staff. You know it. It does come to a point where it's kinda sad that our infrastructure can't solve those issues as well. Yeah i think so. Here's one thing. Before before i unleash Derailment and mark. I kind of get what you're saying. I do kind of agreed as a bit of an issue. Because i mean people who've heard listen to this and rift reaction the show with emily. Talk a lot about all these players that get rotated in and out of the lcs and the big names like wft embarks on that retired. And so i. I think it is really not great for the league. When you say okay like who are next players and like al fori was one of like i kind of consider them like the three three big names coming over here was like sort art and perks and al joining the three big teams right. The pokemon stars And and like whenever he's not playing that's not great was van. I think a great personality makes a lot of big statements and also backs it up often on the rift him. Not playing is not great and so i think i agree. It is hurting us in a year where we are missing a lot of great personalities From last year whenever like a lot of the players that you would try to build up now or try to lean on more heavily. They get rotated out as well. So i'm a little worried about doc. Because i think he tends to just do way less content. Like i never see him really on the broadcast that much or and i know he doesn't really do like video interviews and that type of thing but but i think it is unfortunate but i. I also don't know if lake. Look i mean if if there are big issues going on with these players. I know it's been kind of vague up till now it is it. It's hard for me to say like no no coach. You can't benson's player because we need to keep the viewership up you know. I totally get that. What do you think this one is. Tricky i mean as the viewer for sure i could see why it would talk saying a big name like no playing against but the way i guess i kind of see it as like i think jenkins was kinda performing in academy will even king like king was doing well. These guys were doing actually will just like i think is a big jump compared to academy i think even for me it was really like there is definitely a big jump like you can just be. And there's a lot more pressure around the and it can really get to you. But like i mean if you think tactical came from i guess like this guy kinda doubly and then he started peace murphy also use like it could be it. Could it could be like the same story you know that i mean. I don't think it's bad to do these changes. I just think. I mean it's it's it's kind of like the big name player. I guess you can call it like if it's attitude i don't know if it is like it could be anything it could be. It could be way began attitude but it's up to them. You a have peace murphy for like your safes brought. Just i should just ingrained be like. Oh god i got to censor myself. No but i think. I mean i think team should always do. What's best for them first. Foremost on the rift thing that you prioritize a coaching staff stuff but i also feel like teams and their social teams and the content teams and stuff should have different goals and like you never want to exacerbate the issues that exist between you know teammates. And you don't wanna like air dirty laundry and all that stuff at the same time like seven could have been swelled by the fucking abyss. I don't know what happened to this guy you know like. Has he tweet. When's the last time he fucking tweeted. We're look at his twitter right now. Like i haven't heard anything event this week on. A twelve may fucking twelve over a month since this fucking guy who is one of the biggest people in the scene tweeted. I don't blame spencer not tweeting necessary. Not i'm not trying to target fed. But i'm just saying like think about that that like of course. This sucks for the league you know and of course it sucks that we don't get any explanation as to why and we don't know what's going on and like you know not only that was one of the people i say you had. A great personality was honest. He was funny. He was a good balance of inciteful. While being engaging and stuff like yeah. He's always been laid on twitter but like he would usually after losses meam. Msi he was meaning after losses. A little bit you know. Or i think he was at least but like you know at the very least he could be dead now. I don't even fucking does he live. Has anyone seen said grindley seeming solo q. Or you see someone on his account. Pretend still but yeah. That's that's my point is it's not just like he got benched at least like with the al. Faris thing like thank god. There is a little bit of drama to know that he still had a pulse. I just i think from a fan perspective to see someone who you probably resonate with who you find engaging who you support just totally dark and again not saying it's fence fault but like the org i think take keep people engaged. Should should give him something. Marcus trying to challenge the far rumors by creating sparking reddit thread speculates. Then is dead at so what else play. Got his account as part of plan in anyone. Actually confirm you see. It's so easy to. There's a bunch of talented players in the house. That could be king playing on two accounts with the situation right. You have the situation where you know. Al jet says this thing people are kind of like what is talking about far respond store and makes his video and then you know core. Jj in the media today is like. I don't know those rumors came from. That storm was talking about like it gives fans something to feel like. There's a story there and not just like this guy suddenly was like written out of existence. I one of the things. I really enjoyed was the team. Liquid sub reddit this past weekend. Or like maybe i think it was friday. Steve had posted a picture of a barbecue done for team liquid and they were like already people The picture al-farr is just in the back. You just see his face eh. The team liquid separate as alvar is at the liquid barbecue. He's still alive. He's still he's seems. Like steve's dude things to try to get back to a place like it's happening so desperate for for for for him that it's like an alpha reciting has occurred everyone rally the forces No i think a really good point mark and i. i think it's it's really unfortunate that the stuff is happening and that we don't know and i actually think cloud nine got cloud. Nine should be so happy that the cell far stuff happened because it just immediately took the focus off oath of the van stuff and stick it on the al on team liquid but it's interesting For sure i mean. I like i watched the actually on the broadcast. You guys talked much about sven or alpha. Do you guys just like it's time to talk about king and it's time to talk about. We did a little bit. I think we covered the fiery like in conversation and like what happened You know. I think we even through in a game or two about the whole plan this for months. Kind of thing yeah But i mean there's not much to work with. I think we said we tried to talk to the team about it. Declined to comment kind of thing and you speculate more dive and stuff. But there's not really room for the the reason i bring it up as this because like any i feel like anytime. Cloud nine is playing. I'm watching the peter. Media's sneaky and the peterhead particular what other people are just like brings van back and then they mean and say actually they should bring back sneaky but it's it is funny to sort of see that conversation at continued exist at least on the coast room so i don't know rama. What is happening without firing van. What are the. you're welcome. Clearly you're well connected in the scene twitch chat all these people are here you know all these people you must know. Just let us all know what happened. Break it down moment by moment of reshad you israel. These guys i mean. It's kind of shocking. Because i think they will arguably the best narrow. I think i'll i- it's actually kind of weird to me. I i mean it must be something big. 'cause the performance on the rift is pretty good right so it must be big tradeoff to what's going on but i wish i knew well if you find out before the show please feel to start messaging all those people that were in the chat earlier clearer. Who contracts is in here. He's well-connected yeah hit a fudge. Find out okay. Maybe he'll say intuit's chat dropping into the cisco say nepotism again. That's his whenever we had him on the show share of spent for us. If spent still like around. She's not the. It's tweet out a picture to make sure he's alive gotti boy. I don't know if we covered your your topic. But i think seems like we agree with you that it's not good for the league and it's weird. Yeah i think he made some really good part Points mark just about the situation. Obviously we don't know enough then. That is kind of the biggest problem. But travis i kind of like what you pointed out about the origins not being very helpful in the situation. Either in kind of keeping us in the dark but mostly mark. Okay i need to be on good terms with the ordinary now. I've been chasing after them a lot but I'm sure everyone knows that piece. That was all. Yeah exactly exactly. That was all mark guidi. Boy thank you so much for the call. Anything shut up before we go to a quick break. Yeah absolutely Shots game people wear realme bigger spectrum. A man you've been through a lot. I respect that And then track mark of course and all those fathers out there thank you so much for the call will next all right. It's time to talk about game. Feel speaking of game feel. I love it when the caller shots at our sponsors right before. I have to go to break but thank you so much game feel for Sponsoring the show They just recently. I'm i'm gonna talk more about this in the future because they They sold out of it but congrats to courage for his custom flavor. 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I saw some people trying it for the first time recently. And i always cool to see Anyway that is our break mark off to grab the next caller got two more callers left khazar. Eight zero eight gift to the sub. Thank you kyle zero zero. You see. I hope you see your name underneath the stream now kyle. I created a widget. Because there's so many generous gifters that i I really appreciate them all hidden the gifting widget. It's very nice of them. Hi i ginger where you calling from. Going from korea from kerala before right. Yeah i've been on a few times. Okay thank you for being a sub What do you wanna talk about on the show. The demon l. See us of course seal g. Oh there we go okay so in the chat earlier was like wow seal gs in the title of the show. But we haven't had a seal take our. You're gonna have a really positive sealed you take. I'll give both of my take. I have of course like the big fan take and then kind of the realistic down to earth. Take grow for Obviously like you know. Three a weekend smash the hundred thieves. Sorry roma They look really good. But i think the the fan inside of me is actually really worried. I think the main reason i'm worried. Is this three a week you know. I think it's going to give them a little bit too much of a hope. And i don't wanna see them moving back to more difficult to execute cops. I really liked this. Like fully engaged Style that they've been running. But i don't think it's something that they can have long term success on and i'd like to see them try to stick to it as much as fossil. But i don't think we're gonna be seeing seal g getting out of last place unfortunately interesting okay. So is that both your takes. Is that what you mean like. You're happy but then also sculpted. I have to wake up at four. Am to watch the games so for getting a three a weekend. I'm super super excited. But i don't think it's changed my expectations for the the split or occur. Where do you think they'll finish. I think they could. At least if doesn't come back. I think maybe ninth maybe eighth if Who's the other team fly. Quest doesn't improve. The i'd say between nine eight pretty low. Yeah i mean. They're they're tied for eighth right now. So they're in the eighth and ninth position so you don't think they're going to catch anyone. There only pretty close i need. Who do they catch like. Geniuses game was like really really close. And i think it's still kind of because teams aren't really respecting seal g. Well okay if you think dig is going to bring breakfast are you. Don't think that that's likely they could finish seventh right because you could see golden guardians flight quest dig below them is that it could be like it'll be like seventy seven but i don't think anything higher than that and then i don't think they're going to get out of the first round of playoffs. They're of like immortals is. Is this untouchable team. Three three wins ahead of them. I think they could beat them. I think the big worry for me comes for like playoff sprite. If they do get seventh. Eighth place i don't think they're going to get out. It's like what they play like the the low end of the playoffs right. It's not double elimination for the first round. Laura bracket okay so. I think that they don't get out of that. Because they book. Like kind of a one dimensional team right now and. I think that just doesn't grant any wins in a best of five. Oh boy it's so weird This is like the mark of you know strength. I think they're all the years we've done this. You know like right before summer. Split when there's not a recent have hope for seal g. We got a caller that goes seal. Jeez comeback it's going to be amazing everything straight blah blah. Then now that they're starting to pop off. We get a call sealed you fan. Who's like yola shit is not reliable. Do not trust it. Do you not believe it is not gonna continue at just a. It's the duality. I guess of of being a fan. So i mean i'm a little bit on board with the i'm not sold yet. The first few cops. I was like okay i think. Eg messed up. it should ban the galley. I thought they should have done that before they did that. Game with only being the callisto from it and then they got ran over. And you know it's like the galileo gives you pretty good roaming and priority and mid lane To help get off the ground and make plays and stuff like that. And then the next game gallagher's band. I'm like okay. We get to see like what's their second pick here. And they fucking take sandra into karma. Now's like just self counter yourself really hard and rama can tell me. He's midland like that's just not a good side. I mean they just really forcing at that point. That's all i can condescend. You'd be skating. Also i guess if they were not play just because it'd be pretty predictable in that put themselves in these advantages positions. But i mean she's playing. Yeah i think that game was against an exploding dig nas so it wasn't the best like okay. Fake died level one losses flash just got chain ganked and that kind of felt like how they got through what should have been like a really schedule. A game because otherwise lasagna was undeterred. The entire game and like you would be worried about that spilling jungle or like around the map and stuff so i. I wasn't super convinced on the game. Even though they want it some a little bit with the caller. There's much as i was depressed. Come there to predict steel higher. I don't know what it looks like tacoma. If he's if he's bought in or if it's just a press were sonoma standing. I kinda agree i mean. I think they'll be good playoff team. I just think it's too many holes. But i do think they're not planning like terrible. Which is what they think is best than it's kinda reasonable bought. I think though and the being a team like immortals in best play unite like where do you think the standings probably like eight eight eighty s up to seventh is dara achy. Yes if not return some a. Yes probably be sent if god returns. Be ochre because you catch up to issue. Yeah catch each. I will say as the fan. I think next week is kind of a big moment for my faith on the team because we play. I think we played like winning cloud nine. But i don't know the other team we play but i think they do in. Those games will kind of influence my opinion on how we do the rest split okay. So tough is the seal g. gm. He's in chat right now and he says Isn't every team also playing terribly right now. Houses just to seal g specific issue when even nine struggling to figure things out mark realme tafa challenging you. Yeah i don't agree that every team's playing terribly right now and even within that Cg was zero three of the week before and last week. Yeah they're wanted to last week in zero three for the week. Force their one in five and then they pull out a cop that rips off two wins in the third one. It's like yeah. I mean i'm saying is it somewhere between one and five and three zero like you barely lost but you still lost. That's the whole point. The ceo was struggling to close games out. So they picked a face rural. Comp right is that not the read that the cohesion middle game wasn't great. So that's how you lost the united so then you you pick a competent auto wins team fights as long as you don't fall behind and then people are saying. So what's going to happen when you lose the ability to pick the auto when team cop you go back to losing mid to late game to these other teams that are struggling and not playing. Well like cnn is not playing. Well they only btls the other top teams that the t. l. hasn't beaten a single other team. That's in the top five. I agree with a lot of these teams aren't playing well and lost to some of them. Which was the concern here. You go now you can go prove what was that noise. Beep beep. yeah anyway the point is i would say boxes actually just playing really fucking good. The entire time actually brock's has been incredible. And so i think that's one of the nice things about trump as fire alarm going off koby burns something. Apparently braca is a beast. And i think one of the nice things about this team fight team. Comp is that You can boy brockton still win you in early game win a lot of times that these picks leaning disadvantages But yeah i mean. How's that much different in playing a meta. Ob will like take hundred thieves. They played like four different comps in with a bunch of them. I mean i don't have a problem with people have like if this is the cop that they're always gonna win with. I'm down like keep running it like yeah go for i think. Tsn mostly play scaling majors. I hate every time. Csm's like but what if we tried vigo aleutian. That's just not what you do. Well you know like. I think it's totally cool to have a strategy. I think if if you can find more things that are going to substitute in for the galileo was just what my concern is it gets band out. You pick with sandra into carmelo fucking. Yikes the team. That didn't literally just bench juggler in the middle of the week and is one in sticks or whatever they were in their last game heading into that matchup like i think digitises arguably one of the worst in the league right now so like yeah i wanna see i wanna see more star. I didn't jump on the bandwagon as soon as you guys went through. Okay okay okay. we're all good. I'm just saying he's he's saying why aren't you believe in what i'm saying. You played one cop and a bad team like okay. Let's see more unit biggest. Hey is tough. Mark will keep going back and forth all night long and so they can. They twitter i. It's it's more fun conversation some some other things. I think it's good. It's didn't can't play the game. Well carmen makes it so lasagna. Can't play the game goes in. She should empowered shield. The entire allies. Should not be balanced good good. I really good news by the way. It appears that my home is not going to burn down so sorry about the fire alarm going off every day. I don't know what that was z. Ginger i it seems like there's an agreement that there should be skepticism for seal. I will say this. I am very happy. That brock's player of the week the interview that i do within the week before was like crushing. And so you know even if we're not even if we're skeptical for them long term. I'm happy that he's showing up and doing stuff so But i ginger thank you so much for the call. Is there anything you shut up before we go under our final collar. Yeah i think just on that last point you made i think as a ceiling fan the but the best part about the weekend is just like seeing everyone happy so sat shutter to the guys. 'cause they they played. They played their hearts out this weekend to see them. Keep going three a week next week. So this is a a little bit unrelated. But i'm still gonna go in on someone asking how does do you have a travis. No we The fire alarm went off again. So i'm just whenever that happens. I will just mute. Put my hand up. Because they don't want the beeping to go through but Yeah it's fun anyway. Sorry go ahead. Mark said someone asked They said i'm not a middling. Like wise sandra band to karma and so ryo mccancer that but i also have my thoughts so if you want to start random about what specifically about the matchup makes you favor. The karma side thing trades in general. It should be really hot. Fully sandra to majority of its bills. Ladies you think about it like showing you some gang softball for mayor. Especially i feel. Like if you're gonna pushing the sandra kinda blows like you kind of want to be Young and i feel like i should have Because for me. I think it's like one of the strongest champs that you can pick right now the jury and yeah i mean i think it's Econ really catch up to like your money. Range of the majority of his spells plus mantra negates. All of power. yeah. I think your q. Is always going out shove. Sandra cue if you just both pushing and so then you can go around on with your juggler invades and stuff and hold down the enemy juggler or just like other parts of the map massage. Follow something. she can't do anything but she's just gonna be behind the plate most of the time and then to your point with the mantra like the thing time you see we died in this game. He actually didn't have mantra. It's like a second away from coming in. But normally if you try to go in with the la- sandra onto the karma is you just like match your w. e. and run away and you he'll route them in. Your shield is usually enough to survive and at best you usually get a flash and you just keep going back to like making rushing in and then eighteen fights. It's a similar thing. Where know sandra generally wants to lock someone down and kill them but then was on car. Just macho shield on that person and the gates of the anc because lasagna's actual damages kinda low if you don't want showed someone before i mean when you engaging as the saunter it's kinda like you're you're gonna be stuck in there trying to get out especially as a comma. Can she can that. She always mikhail's as well so like it's even with that's true to your path on karma's cheap gory. Anyways i hope the fire alarm educational moment about the game on the show. I forever well. That's what's so nice about having all these players on Apologies if if the alarm goes off. I will just mute again. It seems to be going out family. Also huge shoutout to kyle zero zero eight for gifting. Forty two subs and the chat huge drop Does that bring them up to nine. Hundred and fifty lifetime so my god really appreciate it. Thank you that's insane. All right Mark you wanna go grab our last caller. Yeah right off. He goes realme. If i mute and then put my hand up like this. It's your time to fill because l. muted while the alarm goes and then but we did because some especially some people. Listen to this is like a podcast. And then if it just goes completely silent then they think that something has malfunctioned so Bts here i'm calling from winston salem north carolina. You've you've been on before yes yeah. I was unless split. What do you want to talk about on the show. I think jenkins is a top three top later in the south So he's i in damaged per minute and second goal differential and differential ten as well as third in katie a. and he's also tied for third solo kills with four With the most being five while also being second to last in deaths and he's also had that hard carry game of versus. I m t where even in the squad video one of the people on the team admitted that he pulled back loss game. Basically one nine it And he's doing all this while being weak side While he gets some draft resources he gets he has the least percentage of any top liner. He's managing to be top three and all those statistics while being the least guk percentage on his favorite top later and see. Your american accent is very impressive. i did not anticipate how well your accent could be no anyway. Sorry mark where you're saying. He's also second to last the jungle proximity for toppling. He's at six point. Five percent and the next closest as revenge at eight point six so just a little extra nugget. that is not. sat on oracle's elixir. It's a ride only stat but there you go another point in jenkins favor. Rama is jenkins atop three top lehner and the lcs. I don't know if he's actually been getting a lotta shit. But i think he's pretty good. I think will from lightning way lending phase wise. I think he looks. It looks like he knows what he's trying to do. I guess i guess like he's i guess it's more about you know he's intentioned in line. I guess like what he's looking full what you're looking for. I guess i can kind of see the anglesey's looking for top three i. It will cut off. Because i think the the pretty good who are the other ones who would be in front of him they tell them day. Fudge union impact. I just looked at it. I think he's mental pat role. But that's just my opinion. Yeah i think Say no go for it In the ram cam for sure. Like i think he's good and i think people are tunneling on like the wears you know whereas impact or i mean. We're as far as a little bit too much. When i think there's other problems with team liquid right now. But he's pretty good. I think his his chiampou has looked like small but purposeful. We're leaving replying. Gpa bunch because we think it's the best match into gwen you can actually contest level one and like do well and then you know scales well. And he's played a collie. But i've been largely impressed by him. I still think you know other players are better. You know like the ones that you're listening you can even throw in like well. What about solo is it just that he's on golden gardens like if you put solo on team liquid. Are they better. You start getting to those kinds of conversations as well but the very least like jenkins has of the kind of last minute substitutions. I think you could say that. He's looked better than a lot of the people who have come in like. I'm more impressed with him than king. You see a lot of these substititions. I mean i think what's also crazy. Is that up until recently very recently. I think he was double timing rate academy and lcs and so Very tough since a week of it. Yeah i think the two but among the first week he was called up. Oh yeah you're right you're right you're right you're right well. What do you have to say caller. Because it sounds like ryan thinks you're full of shit and i think that that was the exact wording used he said what the hell jenkins not eat four. Here's your topline. Then you tell me who your top five is bt out of your lanes. My top five was the same as yours. I think is probably sunday in at the top two and then jenkins And then i think impact has been pouring kind of poorly this split But i also think fan is finn is up there too with the kind of competing for that third spot. Do you have any other bias. No the you'll let the stats speak for themselves. I appreciate that Bt thank you so much. Is there anything you want shutout before we say goodbye and close at the show Shout the alienware calling from my alienware desktop And nice game fuel. Thank you so much for the call really appreciate and we'll catch next time. Thank you aren't that is the show. What what did you say. Those flights you need tells live strew says ru here to defend himself. So i i have no pity for him. My home is is hopefully not burning down. But i feel like we should probably wrap the show so roma thank you so much for going coming on mark. What do you want to plug shout. Nothing what do you need me. You're right realme. what do you wanna plugger shutout. Show it to my friends supporting me. Talk to them every day. My besties. that's it. Well i appreciate you coming on. And we're people find you to stream and all roma haven't been trimming honestly i. I'll say she media just because still a lot of heap amoeba get back into the easing back into it slowly. Just focusing more on my my kademi season more we're glad to To hear it. I'm sure people can find your social channels and whenever you're ready you can start engaging with them again but i appreciate you making time to count on the show. I really do appreciate it. So for me Rift reaction again with emily. We're recording tomorrow. So we'll talk about some stuff. I'm sure she'll give and we talk about things that are not celsius on that so if you do wanna hear l. stuff etc. I'm also during an interview with the commissioner of the lic. Tomorrow which will be interesting and then Sometime this week. I'll be dropping a fairly long sword. Art interview that. I conducted last week naturally. Also but something else that i was able to carve out with. Tsm so There's there's a lot of content hitting and we didn't. I don't think we had any any callers or any takes about the academy stuff. Tim suggested doing the idea of looking at the success rate of academy over the years what players have come out of it and sort of how it functions and all that stuff in the current system so They'll be this week's run it so thank you so much rain and mark for the show. That's fantastic To to be here with both of you and this has been hotline league catch next week.

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Feel Like Your Job Is Pointless?

The Ken Coleman Show

46:17 min | Last month

Feel Like Your Job Is Pointless?

"Thanks for listening to the podcast of the. Ken coleman show. You can catch the show live every weekday from twelve to one eastern on youtube and one to two eastern on sirius. Xm andrew local radio station. If you'd like to ask me a question you can talk to me. Live any weekday from twelve to two eastern by calling eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven setting the pace on the pursuit of happiness. This is the cannon coleman show where you discover what you were born to do and how to make it happen now. Helping you get unstuck and on the path to your dream job. America's career coach. Ken coleman folks. Welcome to the ken. Coleman show coming to you live from our ramsey solutions studios in nashville. And you joined a conversation about you specifically what you were born to do. It matters that you figure out what it is. It matters that you do it. Why because you were created to contribute through your work that means you are needed and you must do it and it is our sole mission to help you figure out what that role is now. Here's what's great about this. You really lean into this conversation. You understand what we teach why we teach it. You're going to realize that this idea filling this role doesn't mean just one job does not mean just one career path. It does not mean just one dream job it's multiples all is multiple jobs. Multiple career pass multiple dream jobs. There's actually a tremendous amount of growth and opportunity when you grab this. So how do i know. If i'm feeling that unique role very simple you will know that you are on purpose in your work when you're using what you do best your talent to do work. You love. passion to produce results that matter deeply mission. That's simple to when you grab that and you get it. You go every decision. I make professionally every decision. I make even from a hobby or volunteer. Sip it it it. You come back to that clarity. Am i using what. I do best to do work. I love to produce results matter to me. Now we're on purpose. So i want to start today. Show talking about purpose in all work. We we we've seen and heard reactions from the audience over the last few years where some people say. Can i want you to help me get a job in other words a paycheck. But i don't know about this purpose stuff specifically when we begin to The messaging around the new book from paycheck to purpose Around the new get clear career cecil which is the tool. That kinda gets everything started in stage one of the seven stages doing what you were born to do. And as we so we were testing messaging and talking to people and some people still are having a really hard time and it's troubling but It's not shocking that people would still go. Well i look. I want a good job. I mean i just i don't wanna be. You know an admin assistant. I don't die know there's purpose and i wanna be a store manager. I've always wanted to do that. That's or. It's just what i think i'm good at. And there's a disconnect between the work and purpose. There's a disconnect between the the status or the stature of the job and the actual value of the job. There's a disconnect so just break down what i'm talking about. We have this view of work that white collar jobs with nice fancy offices and nice buildings certain amount of salary you pick the number whatever whatever. That number is and that kind of work well. That's that's impressive. Work like that better work. That's ally there is no difference in the true value. I don't i'm not talking salaries but there's no difference in the value between the janitor and the ceo. Do they play wildly different roles. Yes does one make way more than the other. Yes but at at its at its core. Each position is needed. Therefore it is valuable and we've got to get to the point parents where we get this ourselves so that we could teach our kids this that good work. Anything that's illegal is valuable work all valuable Let's look at admin assistant. You keep the world running. You may work for work a c. Sweeter a ceo but yours valuable as anybody else in the organization because anything. That ceo does or see sweeter. Does you have direct impact on you. Allow it to happen in some cases by making it run smoothly. let's go to coders developers right well. I'm kinda over in the corner. And i've worked on this website or i work on this digital tool or whatever whatever whatever nobody knows my name nobody sees me. I like it that way but i mean during the day. I'm just over code. No you are literally writing the functionality that can lead to good service or life. Transformation ramsey solutions. I mean if you're doing code on. Ken coleman dot com and somebody comes our site which happens all the time and gets a tool or resource for your paid as a matter and they do something with that and change their life and potentially change their family tree. The person who codes that in some ways has more to do with the change than i did. I mean i could stand out in the middle of highway. Sixty five right now and yell at the top of my lungs. It's not going to be as effective as putting it online. All i got news for everybody. I'm unable to put anything online. The k i. I don't know how to code. So we've gotta get to. The poor will begin to see the real value. Hey i just you know look. I run a mailroom. Yeah will you make things happen around the globe. you know. There's this thing called the butterfly effect. Where they you know they've they've studied this where a butterfly can flap. Its wings on the other side of the planet in effect weather patterns a completely round the world cause and effect and i think we've gotten away from understanding the true effect of our work and therefore we have removed purpose from it. I want you to really think about what it is that you actually really deliver. Forget your job title and your job description you deliver. What do you help make happen. Do you have a say in it. Absolutely millions of people's lives have been transformed because of ramsey solutions. And every person. The building has a direct or indirect Influence on that. Were i mean on that result. They just do it. There's just no denying it. So i wanted to lead us office this morning to really get this because i just feel so many people have allowed work to come a four letter word and they see it as just i gotta do it for a paycheck and i don't have much more prospects as it relates to income or impact in the answer is you do you can make more income. You can make more impact your work you can and we're gonna show you how and we need you to do it because it's about impact that is what really drives the performance and the significance needed to stay the course to do all the things you want to do with that lovely paycheck. So that's why we wrote the brand new book from paycheck to purpose. I took the seven stages. And i unpacked them. There's a lot of my story in this. And i'm tasting folks practical but you will read my story and i promise and the stories of others and you will see yourself in those pages it right now for only twenty dollars and get nearly two hundred dollars worth of free goodies. You can also get to get clear career assessment. Little jump start everything. Show you the mountain and the book from paycheck. the purpose. we'll each at the mountain. Ken coleman dot com. Go get you can climb a ladder and make a great living by doing work. That's meaningful to you. That's why. I wrote my new book from paycheck to purpose. The clear path to doing work. You love it's available for preorder now if you're looking to grow lead and make an impact this book is for you it. The step-by-step plan to take in your career to the next level plus if you preorder from paycheck to purpose today you'll receive our get promoted bonus pack for free which is one hundred dollars value preorder now for only twenty dollars and get over one hundred dollars in bonus items at ramsey solutions dot com. Ken coleman show continues from ramsey solutions. Studios here to help you get clear so that you can get qualified here to help you get connected so you can get started here to help you get promoted. It can get the dream job to work and like no one else to truly give yourself away. It's all about legacy an impact on others. The income will follow. I promise eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to andrew to start us off in kansas city missouri. Andrea on the. Ken coleman show. Hey ken how are you. I'm living the dream injury. What's going on. Hey hey i'm thirty. Eight years old I work in construction sales of business development manager for very Unique niche steel market I make a base and commission. I've got a fantastic boss. I've got a great flexible schedule. Thanks to cova now You know. I'm feeling most days because the lead time supply constraints that. I'm busy most days. it's hard for me to get out and sell anything with thirteen month lead times and of course with covert i'm kind of limited on my travel still My question for you is with the robust market job market. that's out there Is now a time for me to find something new. I think it's certainly time to kick the tires. You got a lot of good things going for you there that you listed but the problem is your board. Sounds like to me board. That's a killer isn't it. yes i i mean. Just think for a second. Are there any good things that come out of boredom a lot of good hobbies. I guess maybe but this is not gonna cut it. What's happening is your soul is slowly seeping out of your body and you're going to need to be challenged so all of these good things We're grateful for certainly wanna be grateful for but yeah. I'd be kicking the tires. That'd be looking for something. And and here's the deal. Be careful because in your desire to to have some fire in your work again to have passion and mission back. You don't take something that looks good but it's kind of fool's gold. What you know is what you're looking for. You do know what you're looking for. Certainly the type of work you know the environment you want so hold fast to that and look for it but be patient because you're not in a crappy setting right now certainly not in a you know emergency situation so change your mindset and go. I'm super grateful for what i've got right now and i'm going to be looking for something and i'm gonna be patient though to find the right thing and then i step into it but yeah i absolutely think she'll be looking but be patia and make sure it's the right step. Yeah that sounds sounds great. Yeah i appreciate the call you know what's interesting to me is that i gotta ask you this. Andrew is your leaders have got no this right. They've got to know the scenario by which they've placed you in and you know you're basically watching paint dry right. I mean to some degree. I mean our business has done fantastic over the last year and a half and so you know they see the work coming through. They see the revenue that the company has grown thirty percent year over year Just in my division alone not to mention you know the global footprint that we have so you know. Sometimes i think they see it but You know it's still limited on what. I'm what i'm able to do go out and you know. Continue to do in the sales world. So i love what i do But it's just. I feel like i have more to offer. Yeah absolutely yeah but see. But here's the thing. I the reason i ask you that. This is a real challenge for leadership. Things are going really really great and things are great. But it's kind of you kind of got it on rails right and they're gonna lose people like you. Leaders are going to lose a lot of people like you because they're not aware of this You know what. I'm hold you on a little extra here because i'm flipping the switch. I'm flipping the whole deal on you. What would they have to do. What would they need to change right now to where you wouldn't be bored You know i think right. Now we just how were. We have such a resource constraint. Right so the lead times is just killing us. So for me i can. I can get engaged with projects And that's where. I feel fulfilled so back in march april timeframe. When in heavily time issues. I was very involved. I was very focused I felt like there was a lot of purpose with what i was doing. And and really for the last three months the same rhetoric has been. You know. we can't tell anything. We're not pursuing anything quick. We've got prices moving up You know and that just hinders my ability to do what i'm doing And then now. I've got explain every trip that i wanna go on to justify who. I'm meeting with and It just there's more red tape more challenges around a company that already had a lot of red tape I felt like i was doing better in figuring out how to sell the work so I mean it's painful things. Yeah it's interesting But the reason i asked you that is. I wanted somebody to learn from that and i wanted to learn from that and again. This is not being nimble. They're not being nimble. They're not finding something else to be doing right now. You know in this downtime in they're gonna end up losing if they're not careful so Yeah i would go for but now what you're looking for and you know you just described it. You know what. I mean so dare home. Hey man i appreciate the call Your best is yet to come. Let's go to rachel now in tulsa oklahoma rachel. You're on the. Ken coleman show again. Hi how are you. Thank you for taking my call. You bet what's going on. So i am a twenty year old. I just graduated with my leadership stays degrees my question for you is how do you find their job with That you're passionate about along your switzerland. Okay well do you know how i describe the sweet spot a little bit but not not quite great okay. So it's very simple. You are in your sweet spot. You're working on purpose in your sweet spot. Which is the little way of describing kind of this unique role you were created to fill could be multiple jobs. Multiple career pass even multiple dream jobs. It's really about. Hey my in that sweet spot. In my working on purpose there's three indicators. The first is talent. You get that hard skill sauce skills right case you think of talent i want you think of talent is your tools. Power tools premium tools to get the work done. So you've gotta be using your talent. Tell us what you do best to then do work. You love. that's passion so you love the work itself. It's not about the the status of the salary. It's the work itself. Leads me to believe what little bit. I've heard that you i love the idea of leading people right and that is a type of work all right so you gotta do work you love and then you do the work that you love but you wanna do it in a place where that work produces results that matter deeply to you. So for instance you could lead anywhere but if you could lead in a company where there's a direct connection to the work right the type of work that you're getting to do and you're going these results. I wanna drive. We've got this. Get clear career assessment that i'm gonna give to you to take. It's it's about a fifteen minute. Online assessment there are six michelle results. Achievement creation efficiency influence service solution. In that assessment. You'll score higher on one of those six but you'll see where you score on all six so the idea here is that i need to use what i do. Best my top talents to do work. I love my top passions to producers. Also matter to me my driving mission will result. And when you can see that you go. Oh this job makes sense. Yup it fits. It's in the sweet spot. So that's the that's how we get clear first and then we're able to see things in the marketplace. We go. this is right. this is not right. Here's why make sense. So do you want to lead people. I mean what's the be all end all for you. Forget about where it is and what the title is. What would be a dream job for you at this point in your life as you see it well i would love to have my own business that right right now. I don't really know what that would be like. I have a couple of ideas that are just great. Okay but here's the deal. So what do we do those ideas. I want you to begin to to formulate those whether it be typing out you know. This is the vision for it. Forget about business plan. You have to go that detail. If you want to you know how great But but but you know noodle on those ideas run 'em by people that may be in similar industries. Keep those in the back of your mind because as you come out of school and you step into The real world learning how to lead people is going to be huge to whatever business you run. Anyway you're going to be leading your own people right right so i think for you You need to step into both of these things at the same time. Where can i get in in the industry and begin following the opportunity to move into leadership or management so that can learn how to lead gotta learn a follow. I and i learned lead. Meanwhile i could be playing around with these ideas on the side launching it so hold on. Amanda let's give her a link to the get clear career assessment it. Ken komen dot com. This is the. Ken coleman show. The ken coleman show continues from our ramsey solutions studios. Helping you make the income and the impact that you want. That's right and Breaking news today Another record job report probably covered sometime this week. it's a great time to get hired and that's why you have got to be doing it the right way now. We've got a lot of great resources. That ken coleman dot com but more importantly the ken coleman show is proudly partnered with the number one hiring site in the united states ziprecruiter. They know how frustrating it is. When you feel like you're spending hours filling out the exact same information on every application and then on top of that you don't hear much back. it's like crickets. Here's the good news. They're going to connect you to jobs. That fit your profile. And it's a one click apply feature. It's free you can apply for jobs quickly and easily without filling out that stuff multiple times and they keep you updated when someone looks at your profile as for your information so it's just super fantastic. No stress no time wasted. What are you waiting for if you want the easier job. Search sign up for free right analogy recruiter. Dot com slash. Ken that's ziprecruiter. Dot com slash. Ken it's absolutely free. I don't know why you wouldn't try it because you don't even need to get your money back and they're really really good. Go right now. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven is the number eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to topeka. Kansas davis there. Dave you're on the ken coleman show. Hey can say sticking to call you back day. what's going on. well. I have Think i found my dream job the next job anyway basically going to double my pay. Come on man look at you. Yeah oh yeah. How do i quit the old off. The problem is that i worked by myself remotely. Yeah and i know. i know. They can't replace me in two weeks. I'm not sure three four weeks would be enough. Do i need to give two weeks. I've told my boss that. I am looking for other jobs. And would they say and he was not happy but well duffy. He's it's tough yes. When are you supposed to start. The other job manager has mentioned october first. So that's still three weeks away. I tell them i have. You accepted the new one. Yes yeah i would say a background check and drug jets and all that good stuff. Yeah you know what. I would wait until the background check and drug test comes through right. Let's just be super-safe and then once that comes through and it's all official and signed. Then i would call the current boss and go. Hey i just took a great position you've already given them. I mean you did way more than i would have told you to do. You gave him a courtesy. A i'm looking and so he knows that. So you've done a very very good thing there. That's an honorable thing not required at all. So i would tell him kindly. But i would tell quickly soon as the deal is done for the gig. I tell them immediately. Hey they want me start. October one I wanna finish well. Here's what i was thinking about doing for the transition. I'm happy to stay all the way up until october. One if you need me and if you want me to get out of here two weeks that's fine. Here's what i've already started doing. I mean try to leave very well. And if he doesn't like it that's his right and it's also your right to pursue your dreams so don't think yeah man. listen you're not irreplaceable. And and you know what. I know it sounded. I wasn't trying to make a point there. I'm saying that you need to rest in that you you gave him a heads up really really kind of crazy. I wouldn't do that head. What if the new job says start next week. I i'd say okay that puts my current people in a bad spot. But if that's something that you really really want an you need then then i'm gonna try. I mean you know you just want to look like a classy individual. Yes so i. There's no right or wrong answer here but if they say that go okay i get it. that's gonna put my current employer in a tough spot. I don't i don't like to do that. But if you're saying this is really really important to do. of course i'm all in. Yeah i'll do it. Let listen the two week. Notice is not in the ten commandments anywhere. But we treat it like it is but You know i'll tell you. I mean it's it's not a hard and fast policy at ramsey solutions but it is not a out of the norm for someone to turn in their resignation. And then they're gone that week My last job. I quit with no. But i wasn't. Even numbered cog in that machine yell. Yeah it was really been care but this one is a lot more important to actually care from boston. Co workers so it's gonna leave an jam. Yup i say do what's right and and that's right for you do it. You're good there's nothing wrong with you you you're plenty good man I appreciate the call but do what's best for you. Eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven is the phone number eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven by the way we're talking a lot about these jobs switches and and people look in. The great resignation is happening this year. If you're thinking about technology you have got to go check out my friends at baffled tech here at least give you the details in about ten seconds. Nine month program. You can do it online at your schedule. Less than fifteen thousand dollars. They have eighty percent job placement. Track record going on. And they actively recruiting for you. They're not just training you in tech jobs day recruit for you. They got silicon valley all over him for talent. We're talking starting average starting salary on seventy eight thousand dollars within a year. You're making six figures. Come on bethel tek dot net slash. Ken coleman bethel tech dot net slash. Ken coleman all right. Let's go to karen in san francisco california karen. You're on the. Ken coleman show. Ken thank you so much for taking my call. You bet what's going on so I have just recently taking your chris. I spent night. It was a love. It good i love the results and it makes sense but I'm meeting Some i guess direction on how to kind of pivot. I'm in the creative field. So my producer and caridi my purpose statement. I get. I get kind of like bits and pieces of how it makes sense of where i'm at but i still need a little more guidance and another question is i know that i can't completely go into my drink field like right away. I have to pay student loans. How can i. I guess ask to be put in a position in my current job that more aligned with my purpose statement. Oh i'd sit down with your leader and showing the result shown the purpose. Dave this is exactly. Why design this to have a conversation right. So a conversation with friends to get validation. A conversation with family to get validation former bosses current bosses I love that idea saying. Hey i listen. This guy can calm. And he's got this assessment. And i it it it read my mail and it spits out this purpose statement that is designed for help me to see. What's the right seat on the bus for me wherever i am and when i read this i go. Oh you know here my top three passions work and by the way you saw not only your top three we show you how you scored on all fifteen so there are probably some other types of work that one of your top three that you enjoy. I'm guessing right. So here's what you do. You can tell that. I took everything in the world at work and tried to give it some general labels so look at those those passions and go. Where are the jobs in my current company that would allow me to spend eighty percent of my day doing this kind of work make sense yes start there it does now you go to your leader and go. Hey based on this assessment. And i think it's absolutely right. I want to be doing more of this kind of work. Can i do that on. This current team is see. You begin to see things. And here's the other thing you're sitting there going ken. I'm kind of stumped. You're not stopped. You gotta take this purpose statement and literally start putting up next job descriptions out in this creative field that you were interested in being in and go. Wait a second okay. Does this match up. Can i spend eighty percent of my day doing what this purpose statement says. I need to be doing and so all of a sudden it becomes like your litmus test if you know what i mean by that so yeah exactly so i actually think you just gotta go do some more shopping in the creative fields and things that you already know more than i know about your field and then okay is this on purpose or does this get me on the ladder towards that purposeful work makes sense. But i think you're on the right track right now with your current company but do what you're going to do with your own company do it externally and let's see what jobs are out there. I think you'll be surprised how many things are gonna go ding ding ding ding ding ding. There folks another get clear career assessment. Hit somebody right between the eyes. The ken coleman show continues. From our ramsey solutions studios can come dot. Com is the website at. Ken coleman on instagram. Give me a follow over there. Lots of goodies. Coming your way in the form of content on the graham is the kids like to call eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. Let's go to denise and saint cloud minnesota denise. You're on the. Ken coleman show in ken. How are you. I'm living the dream. Denise what's going on. Hi i've been a social worker for about five years and i'm thinking of changing my career. Okay what are you thinking about changing it to. I am on chore. I am. I just want to do something. I'm not sure if they wanna do that or around in that area or just completely go to something else. Okay so when you say it. That way i just gotta believe there are some ideas it have been kind of percolate in the old head their true or false all denisa. We gotta have some fun with these ideas because what we wanna do. Want to get the ideas out of her head and talk to somebody. And i'm your guy. I'm your coach. And let's see match up to who you are do they. Here's here's as you're telling me you need this in your head. Do they allow you to use what you do best to do work. You love to produce results matter deeply to you. That simple that's purpose. And so if they aligned with that then we then we get to choose. Which one do we want to choose the most which one engages the heart the most. That's where we're ending up so give me these ideas that you've got seen came of My own business. I'm not quite sure what that would be dry right now. i know like health Got much. I do specific be a little bit more. Who are the people that you most want to help in the health sector. What's the problem. You won't solve the solution you want to provide. I want to help those. Who are like having difficulties with hypertension and diabetes. Nice highpoint canaris. How would you do that. What's the solution that you would offer. I'm thinking of lifestyle. Change so nutrition nutrition exercise. Yes oh you see how. We're getting pretty specific all of a sudden. Now you start to go okay. So if i want to help these people that have health issues. And i want to do it by coaching them on nutrition and exercise. Now i go okay. What are all the different ways that i can do that. Is it for another company. Is that Freelance not freelance work. Working for yourself you know. What do i need to do to get qualified to do that. How how much is that gonna cost based on my financial rally. How long are you gonna take. This is the progression. So you really in the get clear. Stage stage one say tuesday qualified. That's where you'll go next once we get qualified. Then we've got a plan and then we're going to get connected states three while we're in stage two and in the opportunities gonna pop and then stage for you start so it's not really scary. Do you understand that. Clear path right. There is get clear that sounds does sound slightly scary. Well it sounds scary to you. Because you still don't know the answers you know this idea. I'd like to start a business. But i don't know what the businesses yeah. That's scary scare me to you. You don't know if there's a monster in the closet or not right right. And so. I what i'm saying. Is that once. You know what it takes to get qualified. A scary right now. You have no idea what you wanna do specifically so therefore you can't know what it's going to take to get qualified right so you're right. It's still scary. But i'm telling you what the stages are. If you follow my stages get clear qualified. Get connected get started. It's like me that scary. So we gotta figure out to get clear part and i think for you. One idea is in the health space. You've been in social work before. And i think the threat that i see their of commonality is caretaking caring for others. You're you're more interested in people work. Because i think you're good with people true or false okay. So if you're doing people and you enjoy people work switching or pivoting using your word from social work to nutritional advice or physical therapy or physical training or you start to fill in same basic type of work. You're caring for people okay. Does that make sense to you. Yes it is okay. So here's what i want you to do. I'm gonna give you my brand new get clear career. Assessment is gonna take you about fifteen minutes twenty if you take your sweet time which is fine and it's gonna walk you through questions about what you do. Best what work you love to do. And what results matter deeply to you. Then it's going to spit out a summary report on the top three tile talents and passions your primary michelle driver. And then you're going to see a purpose then if you still don't have any ideas on what you call back. We'll go through it. But i think it's gonna point you to the direction you're already facing you got the this is the ken coleman show. Ken coleman show continues through the heavy with us. We're helping you move from paycheck to purpose. Oh somebody hitting go now. If i move from paycheck to purpose to do i still get the paycheck. Good question yes. In fact it will be a better paycheck I'm not guarantee how much bigger it's going to be. But i'll tell you this much. It'll be enough. And as i lock arms with the ramsey show where moco host Second largest radio show in the country. We help people with their money. You know this idea of a paycheck to purposes. You're going to have enough money. Because i know that a lot of teachers are net worth millionaires. And they're not making huge amounts of money so the reality is is that when we get on purpose the uncommon. The impact come together. And that's what people long for significance making it unique contribution eight four four seven four seven two five seven seven. That's the phone number eight. Four four seven four seven two five seven seven I'm so excited about the get clear career assessment I just wanted to plug it again. Because mean thousands of people. It's been out a month and thousands of people have bought it either with the bundle Dollars with the new book the preorder for the new book from paycheck to purpose And in some in hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of bought it just individually but to hear callers. Call in and go. Hey i took the assessment. And now i need a little bit more. I love it. Because they're going okay. It hit me right where it is. It's so now i. What can i need a little bit more clarity on the ideas. As and here's what's great about this get clear career assessment. The real payoff is that you get a purpose statement that i would encourage you to print off. Put it on your desk. Put it on your mirror at home. Whatever it allows you to always come back to a home base of clarity. It's like it's a compass. Okay wait is this thing. I'm thinking about this path. This job this career is it an alignment. Is it in alignment with who i am. And that's why those three indicators talent what we do best passionate work we love to do and mission results. We want to create when those three are clear and in alignment meaning a dream. Job should allow you to very simply work on purpose to us. Do best to do work. You love to produce results matter da bing. Bing i mean is that really that complex. It's not it's actually so simple. It's powerful when we go. Oh i don't have to do all this hand-wringing and worrying about which direction i need to go. I've simply if i get clear and by the way you know the new book. We unpack this in from paycheck to purpose. How to do it manually. But the assessment is digital. It's online we do all the heavy lifting worry by asking you questions and you answer truthfully but what happens is it's like everything i look at i. Well does this allow me to do. This is what i do. Best did your love to produce results matter. It becomes a very intuitive thing. And we're to the point where you get to see it and you immediately can read a job description go note that kind of confidence is wildly wildly effective because those people those men and women who are confident in who they are and what they wanna do and why they wanna do it. There's no stopping him that that's the reality. There's no stopping you. So that's why it's really really important that you grab this. So victoria's on the line in saint louis missouri victoria. You're on the ken coleman show. Hi hello hear me yes. I can't victoria. you are live. What's going on. Oh okay so. I took a Assessment okay great non just kind of like what am i go now. Okay so before we figure that out have. Did you have ideas about what you wanted to do. Before you took the assessment. I wanna say yes. I want to say well that doesn't make any sense. And you're very smart person. Should the answer is yes. You had some ideas so you got those ideas in your head right now and so when you took the assessment and you got your top. Three talents laid out for you. Your top three passions work you love to do and your mission result. Did you talk with anybody about it and get feedback from the results. Not really just me great. So how did it feel when you read your purpose. How'd it feel to you. I a said service. And i was like That's here 'cause. I'm an introvert and like a lot. People all wait a second so you will jump the head on me. You went right to your mission. Result was service. Yeah okay do you have your results in front of you. Guess okay great. What was the second highest scoring because they're six michelle results and we tell you your top one and we give you an eye summer but we also show you score on the others. What was number two for you or the mentioned yes that i'm not even sure i just like. Oh you don't so you don't have your results in front of you. Don't have the the report in front of you. Not not only. I kinda like screen shotted like i want you to go back to your results after this phone call. Okay don't over. Think service because at the end of the day. You don't have to be an expert to serve. Okay so what. What was your top three passions. The work you love to do. What was the results On making encouraging and acting making creating protecting really interesting so that service angle is is where you begin to tile this in so making and creating that tells me you're a very creative person you're creative with your mind an creative with your hands. True or false. Oh so we're right okay. So what would you most like to create and make if you could choose today and you knew you couldn't fail. What would you create in your mind and make with your hands. What would you do. i wanted. Do ninety photos photos. Great so have photographer. Yeah great and so who is only the other end of those photos. Who's paying for these photos. Camry yes yes and so. It's so you are serving them. You have a heart of service right and you. Are you looking at photos a little bit differently than somebody else. So let me explain. There are other photographers. Who taking shots of nature or models and it's more of a creative performance art in my right when i say the but if i'm taking photos of families in porton milestones weddings graduations Christmas photos thanksgiving whatever you you get my drift. When i'm doing that. I am not doing that for art purposes. I'm doing that to serve to create a memory for people. Do you see that. So don't over. Think the service. But i think you're also person who loves caring for others. Is that true. Yes just because you're an introvert doesn't mean you can't care for people you don't have to be like you know mrs walk in the room and dominate. In fact i would tell you the greatest caretakers of all our people that are probably more introverted. Because they're just totally focused on that one to one interaction. And i think he's a photographer. That really is a much more intimate lower key involvement. Because you're capturing memories it's really service-oriented you're trying to capture. A memory. Capture a family that will last a lifetime. One photo that you take victoria could hang in a house for thirty years. True or false chair. Now how does it feel. I really put it that way more good. So here's the deal. Don't just lock yourself up to photography. Go back to your mission statement. Excuse me your purpose statement that we print it out for you or that's in there. Look at all of the different. How you score on all of the towns all of the patch. It's anything that's good above average two great. Which was your top three. and then your primary. Look at your second or michele result. I wonder If creations not your second result go back and look at it and see but don't over think it just look at all the creative opportunities that you want and say does this allow me to be on purpose if the answer is yes then consider it. Hey i gotta get out of here but remember this you matter and you do have what it takes until next time. This is the ken coleman show press. Thanks for listening to the. Ken coleman show for more. You can find the show on demand wherever you listen to podcasts. And watch the show on youtube. You can also find ken across all social media by following at ken. Coleman hey folks. I wanna make sure you check out our other ramsey network. Podcasts like the rachel cruze show crews. And i'm so excited to tell you about hype. Podcast a lotta. People are living paycheck to paycheck. They're end end debt. They don't even know where to begin but they have. This need this. Want to get in control of their money and match you. 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Ep 828 | Mask Mandates Are BACK Even for the Vaxxed! Is Your City NEXT? | Guest: Matthew Marsden

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Ep 828 | Mask Mandates Are BACK Even for the Vaxxed! Is Your City NEXT? | Guest: Matthew Marsden

"The mass mandates are back in saint. Louis will be coming to your city soon. China wants an apology from nbc. For showing an incomplete map at the olympics and rich people are suffering in the hamptons because they can't find summer helped. We've got all of that and much more in. It starts right now. Happy monday everyone. Jill savage filling in for sarah gonzales. Who we'd be back tomorrow so holding down the fort with me for the next hour. We have producer and actor. Matthew marsden welcome to the show. Thanks for being here. Loving me and robin obeys tv and media critic very excited all right guys. Are you excited for mask mandates. Coming back. I know this is what we've all been waiting for. Saint louis is potentially going to reinstate the mass mandates on monday even for vaccinated people. They came out and said that mass mandates will apply to adults as well as children as young as five years old for those who have been vaccinated against kovic nineteen more than thousand new cova cases have been reported in saint louis county over the past week including two deaths. So this is where we're at again. We got out of the woods and now the mass mandates are coming back. How do you feel about this matthew. Well one of the reasons why. I moved from. California was because of the the mask monday. What they were doing they. Actually someone actually called the police. My wife and a bunch of home school mom because the three year olds are running around without masks on. I mean so. I'm just like you know that's the that's the last straw. And if i hear someone else say well you see you. Know insurgents go in and night before operations. They wear those muslim. Yeah okay so do you follow every protocol like so jen to get rid of the mask. Fte views wants to wash your hands by using the no. It's ridiculous. It's a sign of compliance and not is all it is at this point they don't work. I mean we know they don't work. So i mean you bring up the surgeon thing because that's what they always do. The reason a surgeon wears a mask is so is spit. Doesn't fall on your open wound. It's not to stop a virus. Becomes in an aerosol that can go through the interstitial different so the void in between the threads of ask. I mean threads of a mask. I looked this up during the beginning of the whole thing. If you can see through a whole if you can see through a mask and you can see a little bit on the other side and you can see light. It means that a minimum. It's one hundred microns. Big not to get too technical. Bring my degree in here. You can see if you can see through it. It's a hundred microns. Your your cough. Your aerosolize droplet is ten now. I didn't need to go to engineering schools. To know that ten is less than one hundred and then he can go through and it stays up in the air and they even did. The study was at nc state nc state university carolina. That did a study that those gators that people wear. That's actually worse. Because what they do is they take the droplet and they split it in half twice as much virus hanging around in the air masks. Do not work. They've never worked every study. In the history of the of the world that has studied viruses respiratory viruses has shown that mass don't work and all of a sudden they do like you said it's a virtue signal and compliance thing is to make people feel better and since may thirteenth the cdc came out and said that vaccinated people could resume activities and go about their normal lives without a mask right like this was the incentive to get the vaccine and now what this is july twenty six. Oh a mere two two and a half months later. They're all trying to get us to go back and say okay. We're gonna pretend that nothing that we said for may thirteenth on is actually happening. So do you. How do you think. Americans are going to react to this for a lot of people worldwide. That just so confused by everything. And what a lotta people on token about is how it's affecting the mentally. I mean we've we've just found out today that the we found out that the is the pace tests at she doesn't differentiate between flu and covet. So when you talk about these covy cases arising are they cover cases. Do we know that. Call the cases. Are they flu cases. We don't know at this point. I think people's confidence is completely shot. Because you for it before. They're against it and then they change and they change and they change. A lot of us are going. Hey listen i've had enough. Let's just step back a little bit and look at places like it's hard for us in texas touchy comprehend a lot of the time but the way the people feeling in other states where they're locked lockdown it's really really hard for them So you know. I mean again. It's become a bit of a joke and as far as archie cheese concerned. I don't think anyone trust sam either. You don't trust the think he's is god right. I mean there's no in between. Yeah absolutely no. In between he himself said that it was okay to do the noble. I remember when it first came out. We need to save the master there. So i'm going to tell everybody you don't you don't really need ask but i always thought you should wear masks. What saint voucher. The potomac said right. I mean that's what he said. And it's just it's absolutely insane in even in texas it depends on the county right. I live here in dallas county. There's a lot of people that wear masks a lot of people in irving where mass in my apartment building. I think it's crazy. I went out to tarrant county which is where fort worth is for. People that are that aren't from texas. And like i walked into a dentist office and there were no masks. Like the dental. People didn't have masks. There was no sign to wear a mask. And i was like it was like i entered a different world and i was like ten miles away. So it's just absolutely crazy. People are not going to wear masks. I mean some will. But you're going to see what happens on the planes like with the fights and the anger and things like that you're going to start seeing this and other places where they tried to institute. Of course we have anthony patchy coming in and he was talking about mask mandates over the weekend and him and jake tapper. Of course they both have to get in on the conversation. Here's a little bit of what they had to say. Do you think masks should be brought back for vaccinated americans. You know jake. This is under active consideration. If you're asking him at pa. Am i part of the discussion. Yes i am part of the discussion. But i think what you were seeing even though as of our conversation at this moment the cdc still says recommends that if you are vaccinated fully that you do not need to wear a mask indoors however if you look at what's going on locally in the trenches in places like la county the local officials have the discretion and the cdc agrees with that ability and discretion capability to say. You know you're in a situation where we're having a lot of dynamics of infection so even if you are vaccinated you should wear a mask. That's a local decision. It's a local decision now. So it's not going to be anthony thou- cheese fault anymore. He's gonna take the blame from him and place it on your local authorities. How do you feel about that. Well that's what it should be right. I mean i'm i'm okay with that it should be. It should have always been a local thing. There shouldn't have been a national mass mandate. They should get their thoughts together. But i do want to say something and this goes into the whole misinformation on the vaccine and all that sort of stuff well. You don't need to wear a mask if you have a vaccine great. I personally know two or three people that have been fully vaccinated that have gotten the delta barry now the delta variant isn't as bad as the previous variants. There's a lot of things you can do. We know how to treat it now. There's not as many people dying. Yes some hospitalizations going up but you know you talk about local mandates. I'm afraid it's gonna come back in texas even though abbott when he did his when he did his or back in may he said of hospitalizations. Get over fifteen percent than local authorities can put back in covert restrictions right the county judges which county executives in other parts of the country. He said that they can do that. And we're getting some areas that are getting close to fifteen percent again. I mean the only thing. I really take umbrage with says. Oh yeah. I'm part of it. It's it's all me. Which is what he needs to do. You need to interject himself in. Be the end all and be all of everything because matthew i think rob makes a great point there where he says. This isn't what we had initially back. In march of two thousand twenty. We know so much more about the virus about how to treat it now. So how do you think this this differentiation point where we are right now in in twenty twenty one versus where we were when we had no information back in twenty twenty who i think the end of the day. I have no idea how this guy still in a job. I mean he's the most incompetent man and compromised right. I mean if you believe that he was behind the function research in the wuhan lab. Do you think that this is saying this on twitter right. I respect doctors respect to healthcare workers. Right they are not gods right. They are susceptible to corruption and all the other values that us may humans. Trust me. I told all the time shicheng mouth you're inactive right and i get it but i did play. A doctor wants in once in a movie. So we're know what i'm talking about. But yeah i mean nobody knows what to believe because there's no clear information about anything like you don't know the truth on on anything. No so i mean going back to these the the tests to not being clear about whether it's cold or flu so that completely changes everything. If we've been serious. I mean that should be national news. It should be on the front page of every newspaper. Because let's just say they sixty thousand people die every year of the flu in the in the us. I'm just making up a number. And now there's like seventy thousand people. Die of calvin but we know that flu cases apparently gone down by ninety eight percent digital work. That devils no flu. What does that say. What what does it say someone saying. Oh you know the club as you said before the coffee case is going up. We don't know if they are. do we really do. We know that we sure about that and this is the problem. We don't have clear guidelines on what is the what are the true numbers so what is going on and that's causing a lot of confusion and when you have confusion you're alive you're able to split people into groups well and that's what's going. We can't even agree on whether or not if you take a bat virus and do some stuff genetically to some pets and it becomes more able to be transmitted to human whether or not that is gain of function research. Oh no no no. That's what gain of function which is when we did it this time it wasn't so that way not culpable. I mean i. I've seen it. It comes down to the point. Where i'm at people like george w bush that they left us to say he funded in. This is what i loved about. Jon stewart when he went on when he went on with stephen colbert. And he's like okay. We have the bat corona virus lab in wuhan and it started in. And you're telling me that it didn't leave the caro- the back corona virus didn't leave the back corona virus lab. I mean come on. It's just it's ridic- when otherwise it would have had to travel basically from texas to new york to get that bat from that one cave where it could have been more games like in the fact that the media doesn't harp on that and they give in they still say well we don't know if it came from the lab. I mean come on. I mean come on if it was donald trump that signed the nih grant to fund back corona virus. There would be like dateline and twenty twenty specials like cnn would have a twenty hour documentary series on how donald trump created the corona virus. That killed everybody. I mean we all know this. It's it's absolutely the the other side of whether saying. Hey listen chinese anything. La and it's only a bat that got four legs and it's not a table the legal you know you don't the side of that right. The pit normally people go. How dare you say that about them that they eat bats in a in a in a by the way. I've been to one of those things. I've market of being too didn't movie years ago dr and wet market. You're talk. everybody thinks it's really absurd. I mean we all get to the point where know gas lighting of the highest story. Because you're looking like it's like jon stewart said lose hilarious but he told the truth you know. It is the wuhan institute variety any just so happens that they corona varzi scott and by the way they've had people come out and say we work that it escaped bryant. But but there's been this light it's like cognitive distance whether go no no no no. We're headed become possibly say that and it does make you wonder right. I mean i'm not a conspiracy theorist at all but at this point you gotta go in go well and and what she did that not and now he doesn't want anyone. It's insane how we still in a job is just beyond me. I don't understand it yet. You're able to connect enough of the dots and the truth will eventually overcome. I feel like and if you look at the the mass mandates are potentially coming back with the vaccines. Now they're saying like it might not just be the two shots that you need. You might need an extra jabs. The goalposts are just constantly moving for this right. They have no idea. That's the problem in. And you say conspiracy theorist but conspiracy theorist like oh madonna during a lot more money. That's why they want the extra jap and we're seeing that. What did they. Dirty eight percent effectiveness in israel with the pfizer vaccine. Which is what. I have with the delta variant. I mean we're living with the nineteen eighteen flu one hundred and three years later. The one thousand nine hundred thousand flu is still one of the flu strains in different versions that come by every year. We know how to treat it faster. And they don't want to use you know there are studies and i'm not gonna mention any of them so that we can stay on youtube. There are studies that say that certain drugs may or may not work right and the media. Say that none of that because fao. She didn't say that they weren't so they can't work. It's absolutely insane to me that that's where we are right now. Everything that is absolutely insane is what is being kind of taken for granted and this is this is going to be the truth that if we just say it over and over enough times this is this is how it's all going to be and and it's just it's one of those things that i just can't believe that our reality is what we're actually living through here in twenty twenty one But when we come back we will have a look at the olympics and the united states. it only took a couple hours. We've already offended china. We'll tell you how right after this the olympics just started and the united states slash. Nbc has already gone through in. Made the chinese upset They did so by calling the the government. Nbc showed an incomplete map they say during the olympic coverage of the opening ceremonies it did not include taiwan or the south china and we all know that china is not going to have diplomatic relations with countries that don't recognize the taiwan's independence there so right off the bat. We can't start the olympic games without having a little bit of controversy and of course it's the united states it's china. Japan has nothing to do with it. They're the ones hosting it. Were already causing trouble. Rob and taiwan is not china. I mean you know. I'm probably going to get a visit from the chinese people. We're gonna be come to the doing. Good frigel. mini. Taiwan has been independent since forever. The worst thing. Richard nixon ever did was recognized that the communist government of china was the bill china and not taiwan which had been our policy since the end of world war two. I mean it's just. China has no control over it. Taiwan has its own military. Taiwan has its own currency its own banking system. I mean for all intensive purposes china's. It's country this is just china trying to rule the world by because they're the number one economic engine in the world now they you know manufacturing all the things they manufacture. And it's like when you talk to friends that are super libertarians. And they're like oh. I can't believe trump had tariffs on china. I don't care. I mean because it's not free trade if you're trading with the communist regime is like that free trade is trade between people and people. You're not trading with people in china your trading with the government the government. I mean look at jack. Ma who the alibaba founder. One of the richest men in the world. He disappeared for like two months after he said something critical about the government. It shows you. Who's in charge there in. I could care less. I mean. Good for nbc. Yeah they came out in the chinese consulate in new york complained on their. We both social media platform that. It hurt the dignity and emotions of the chinese people and they called on nbc universal to recognize the serious nature of the problem and take measures. Correct now now. Nbc's still hasn't corrected anything. Yeah i don't know if they plan on doing it but we're a couple of days in now pass past the opening ceremonies. What would you do like you know this is. This is china just trying to maintain that dominance from from the start of the olympic games. We will know what everyone around the table with do. We wouldn't bow to them. I mean th there's there's absolutely no way but but this is. This is the communist chinese right. It's okay to go. They lecture us on morality and and yet they murdering chinese muslims by you know put them in concentration camps and then they go out in the next breath and start lecturing us on what we should be doing but Look you know from looking in when i was over in the uk. And i've always loved this country A lot of communities to us to talk about. Oh well america the superpower light. You wanna see what it's like when we not. The superpower with america is not the dominant force in the world. You seen it right now. This is what they're gonna do. It's gonna get worse. That's a hollywood is bought by by china And they just gonna keep you know sticking fingers into all these different pies and stop lecturing us on how we should be when they have slave labor via definitely gonna come and visit me as well so Yeah i'm just sitting there thinking oh goodness may do. They want a truthful map they can put like. Here's where the slave labor camps are. They can put that on the chinese map if they want. Truthful map and then china. Can you pick this little piece of california's were looking around our table. I can. I can say that this next door is true because i am the only one that is actually watched any of the olympic games. You or both saying how excited you are usually most years for the olympics to start. But since since we've gotten these games here in twenty twenty now obviously twenty twenty one The the olympic ceremonies. They drew sixteen point seven million viewers on friday. It's the smallest audience in the last thirty three years. It's down thirty seven percent from rio and that's when twenty six and a half million people watched and then in london forty and a half million people watched so there's just not that overwhelming support right now for these olympic games. I mean you see the united states basketball team losing to france already. The women's soccer team taking any and losing to sweden like there's a lot of woke kness around these olympics. I mean yeah. I mean i went to the two fifteen. Us women's national title. Game in vancouver. I was at that game. It was exciting. Us women's national team is like the greatest soccer team for women has ever existed but they're woke is crazy right and i don't wanna watch them now. I mean they've made maybe wrapping. Oh the face of it there. There are patriotic people on that team. That stand up. That don't kneel down for the national anthem. And i don't care what you do every right to do it but i have every right to watch you I've always loved the olympics. More of a winter olympic guy coming from new england But i've always watched the olympics. And i like some of the new sports like having you know god. Skateboarding is kind of cool now. You know it's kind of like the the snowboard half pipe. But it's you know there. There's a lot of cool sports on the olympics but it just hasn't grabbed me in any part of it. More is that they didn't allow fans. And i'm not into watching sports fans like that and the bubble thing was horrible to watch you ask james even even with the bridge was just horrible to watch what nobody there. I watch a sporting event that nobody's there that you get in the piped-in crowd noise that the nfl dementia was horrible in the first of all a lot of the audio people in the nfl don't actually watch football games. I can tell you this former sports reporter so they're piping in noise at the wrong time so i'm with that was very annoying for for all of us. Thankfully we're going to have fans back in the stands but matthew. Are you going to watch any of these. Olympic games going forward. No not coming of of court like a couple of on twitter. I've seen a couple of world records and that and kind of drag me in a little bit. But i feel it samuel. We'll watch the olympics. Every every every year that it came out you know Of loved it. From when i was a little kid and his thing again the perspective from an immigrant coming to this country i loved seeing american exceptionalism a really means something to the rest of the world. Now i don't think people truly understand you know how we even from other countries. It's oh yeah well we we want to be the americans and this and that's such an achievement. It's it's such a great thing to watch and thing there's a number of reasons. Actually why people watching. I do think it's the lack of fans. But i do think like i love the flag like i love and i think that it's something when you love your country and you want to represent your country representing every single person you'll country that is awesome and i remember daley thompson. Remember daddy's home. So is the decathletes. an remember he was you know up when he won the gold medal and it was a real moments. It was real moment to cohesion. But in addition to these people don't want men and women's sports and that's another aspect of it. We don't see someone who is genetically a controversial but genetically born a male going and competing in powerlifting as a female because for those of us who have daughters. I'm like what's the point you guys doing sports anymore. You know. what's the point if that's going to happen. Imagine that and then the other things with the people being sent home because they were in the vicinity of someone who had coveted that was the other aspect or as a couple of people that didn't go to the olympics. Because let's more golfers that can't go over now. And jon rahm just had covert a couple of weeks ago and then he tested positive again. He's been vaccinated and he's not allowed to go to the olympic games. It's gulf how far do they have to stay away from tennis. Let him play there on. Two sides of the core right. This shouldn't be anything stopping them. Playing in your outdoor and there are a doors. I mean the hypocrisy and people just like i'm done on by the way are really just want to watch some sports. are donald. be lecture to donna. Be told how bad my countries or how racist i am or a bad is that just they just wanna watch and be proud of the people that are doing it regardless of whether from oh what color or creed day. All people for the most part. Embrace exceptionalism yeah. And i think you on the transgender thing that you talked about. We have a coworker here. totters on the show whose daughter just one i think it was the eight hundred eight hundred meter at the nationals in high school. She said a she's had a personal record and she set the iowa record when she did it. Imagine if there was a transgendered woman that was born a male in that she never would have set that because transgendered women run significantly faster than biological women. I mean they just do because men people that are born male are stronger than people that are biologically born female. Yeah and i feel like that's that's an issue that we might actually be able to make some progress on but matthew is saying that he believes american exceptionalism. He will not be hired as a teacher in the united states. Coming up anytime soon. When we get back we'll take a look at what the schools are trying to do with the kids. Next exceptionalism is out time to go woke or bring in critical race theory into the schools. There was a student up in saint cloud minnesota. That was speaking out after the school. Required this fourth grader to take an equity survey now. Some of the students didn't understand what was being asked them but the teacher told them repeatedly that they could not go to their parents and ask them to clarify this situation. This fourth grader said my teacher said that i could not skip any of these questions. Even when i didn't understand them now was asking us what gender we identified with. I was very confused along with all my other classmates and being asked to hide this from. My mom made me very uncomfortable. Like i was doing something wrong. What are we trying to do now with fourth graders. Because this is all stemming from the george floyd incident and they're the story goes on to say. Despite being more than forty years old critical race theory has emerged as a flash point over the last year often pitting teachers and school administrators against parents. I i look at this and say okay. We're we're trying to get fourth graders not to go in and tell their parents like any time when you're saying to a child it's not okay to tell an adult what is happening. That seems like a clear boundary that we have crossed right. I mean we. We've gone from mr rogers. It's you i like. It's everything about you to your evil because of the color of your skin. That's where we've gone in this country and that's what they're teaching and it's absolutely insane and now that kid is gonna be blackballed out that school system because he had the guts to stand up and say something and you've got teachers that even in states where they've said you cannot teach critical race theory. There have been laws that have been passed to say. I'm still going to do it. Because they believe so. Big this part. What they wanna do is drive a wedge between people so they can pick group against group in it's critical race theory comes from marxism a marxist ideology. They're trying to to indoctrinate kids. And you see it. In survey after survey after survey the young people especially in the millennial age. Which aren't that young anymore. I get it because you know we we seem to say that anybody's millennial that's like under thirty right. That or or under forty is what we say now but there's another generation after that but they've become more open to socialism. They've become more open to a lot of things. That's why you don't see a lot of people all upset about the extra three hundred bucks that everybody's getting old. They just can't find work. But it's all the same thing this is part of an indoctrination to change the country as glenn has been saying on his wednesday special over and over and over again. This is the great reset. They're trying to fundamentally change american society. It's not a it's not a conspiracy theory as we were talking about earlier. It is their plan. They've documented that it's their plan in. You will nakal against it because if you do. You're just proving that you're the racist that we said you are because of the color of your skin matthew. How would you feel if you send your kid often. The fourth grader came back and they're like hey. I'm not supposed to tell you what my teachers are talking about at school. How would you react to that. It's unbelievable i mean. Look i mean as as a parent. We always tell our children. You have to talk to us about everything. Because i mean. Isn't this the way that sexual abuse you know. He's gotten away with. Hey listen. I'm gonna do this you you'd better not tell you parent i mean. This is completely contrary to everything that we meant to do as parents Look i i think that the best thing we could do at this point is fund students and just take all the power away from the schools and let there's enough people that want to go out and they want to protect the kids. I didn't argument with someone the other day about Them saying to me. Why on i four. My kids being taught about sex by t. by teachers. I'm like what and they couldn't say that it was a it was a bad thing and i'm not only know my kids more than you do right right and if i can preserve their innocence for as long as possible and by the way when i tell them i'm going to tell them the correct definition of what we believe That when they need to know about sex what what we believe that means which is a loving relationship in a marriage right that all this is to do is to separate the children. I mean didn't assert organization. Say that they wanted to destroy the family unit. It's trying to pit thinks about pitting the child against the parent right And i think it's really insidious and we should be fighting it with every single fiber of our being because this is it's it's not only look americans need to understand that the last best hope for the world right they really are and everyone is looking to america every every country. That's why you know when they do protest the cubans that they're not like waving the french flag roy. All the italian waving the american flag we ever responsibility and we have to stand up represent. And we've got to fight this. This is it. there's nowhere else to go. There's no the country that we can get on a boat and go to and build again right and unfortunately people have to understand jordan pizza experts all the time about suffering. We've become too comfortable. We've got to understand that. This country is worth fighting for and we have to do and if that means losing everything. We have to be ready to do that. We really do. And it's a message that you do hear from somebody who wasn't born and raised in this country but it's not a message that is popular amongst americans that have been have been born and raised and bred throughout this system going through the schools. And it's something that you have to be reminded of it because at some point that message of the last best hope is just going to go away. And i don't think people in this country understand the freedoms that we actually still have their under attack by all stretches the imaginations but they don't understand that in places like the uk and canada and other commonwealth nations which share the same common law traditions. That we have. You don't have freedom of speech you can go to jail for what for what you tweet. It's not just the fire in the theater test. It's you can go away for hate speech in those countries. I it's absolutely unbelievable. Lieutenant you can go to jail for holding a church service in canada and bite by writes. The person that sent his provincial police at them was a conservative premier so conservative governor one of the provinces around the country. People don't have the same freedoms that we have and that's what they're trying to take away. And i don't think the american people actually understand that you know. I'm gonna wear a folk. She lied. People died t-shirt into the airport on friday in the uk. I could probably be arrested for wearing that. T shirt well. I don't know if they care about anthony per se. I said with that and you know it kind of goes to say when you look at this school system. There's been a survey that's come out. That said more. Americans are looking into home schooling now than ever before. It's you see okay. You're fourth grader. Can't tell you what they're talking about at school and now you look at what they're actually saying when you had the kids in your house during the pandemic so home schooling or or trying to get the funding back to to where the students are might be the best way out of this so you know. There's there's a lot that we still have to address with the school system but there are definitely a couple ways out of this now when we come back something a little more fun the rich elites in the hamptons. They're suffering this summer. The peons aren't just going to go work for them for nothing anymore and they are going to have to wash their own hair. We'll have that for you when we come back. Oh people are suffering is is gonna be a tough one to get through you guys but somebody is going to have to talk about it so in the hamptons this summer. They're saying that it's impossible to get some of the services. They are regularly accustomed to getting now. They can't get a haircut when they want it. A lot of the restaurants don't have enough workers in there they're getting turned away business and they just don't understand in the hamptons. Why this is going on. It's fine for you. Poor people across america. But we in the hamptons have money to give to you to provide these services so rub. We know that there is a worker shortage and we know the extra money that the government is doling out but i mean her rich people that are suffering. This is real. I know in those rich people. probably in the hamptons. Ninety five percent vote for joe joe biden and democratic legislatures and this three hundred dollar extra money to not work on top of the normal on top of the normal unemployment thing. So you know you're getting in some states. Seven hundred eight hundred dollars in and they went in cut if you remember in the last one. They said that unemployment benefits aren't fully taxable. So not only did they give you the extra money. There's also a ton of people that like did their taxes in that thing happened so now they're going to get a bunch of extra money back if i could sit home in. Make eight hundred dollars a week for doing absolutely nothing in. I was used to making like thirty grand a year. Eight hundred dollars. A week is forty grand and if it's going to be lower taxes it's more like fifty or sixteen. Why wouldn't i stay home and it's not just say it's the rich people and i and i love taking the rich but it's i had friends that went to logan airport in boston last week. Seven thirty at night. Nothing was open to get food. Now if you've flown during cove it you can't unless you fi first class like the rich people. You can't get anything surti on a plane. They just don't do it. So the little hudson news huts where you can buy a water to bring on the plane. None of those were opened in this terminal either. So you had people going on like our flights to the west coast. That were able to get sustenance. It's just it's absolutely unreal. We could change the situation tomorrow by getting rid of the free extra three hundred dollars because it's incentivizing people not to work and matthew. We do see that when the workers that are still employed. They're having to take on the job of two or three other people so they you know they're stressed to the max and they're not getting paid that much more right and their coworkers. Workers are just hanging out at home collecting the checks. Yeah no i mean it's difficult. I mean if you see in that there are some people that are going to say. So why should i do this. But i think it's more than just monetary thing because you know when i was growing up just a little bit of a background. I i grew up. Like what can class very poor single parent family background. But i used to look at american go. You know if you work hard enough you can become something you can be someone and climb the ladder and you could and you still cannon america but it was a matter of pride that you would go out and work and that you wouldn't sponge off the system like to go to the system would be like if you're oh man i've got to go on the dole and go to go and take money from the state law. That's so insulting. Nobody sees me. That's changed now. It's like oh i can get it. I'll get it and yeah you know. I don't care about them and again the the old line of talking about the transfer of wealth. It's all these guys that are the ones that are making all the money especially in the calvin lockdowns. So i think it's it's a bigger issue than just the money because as i said back in the day settling knows a lot of people even today would rather turn around and say listen. I am not taking that. Because i have dignity i wanna work for my money And that was certainly something for me as an actor. The many many times. When i haven't been working right because you work in the of a barren period of work i have never ever taken any money from the state and that's since i was a young boy in the uk right so it's about. It's what is instilled in you. I believe from your parents. And i think there's a lot of people that are saying. Hey listen if you can take you take it for ma'am like don't take out. It'd be a productive member of society and especially for me as an immigrant. I'm like i don't a beer unless i'm going to contribute. I'm not going to be a drain. I want to be positive for americans and by the way the majority of people that want to come here feel the same. They do feel the same. Certainly my friends. That are all man. I'd love to come to america but don't come and be a bomb wanna contrary to make the country better and maybe some of that self confidence goes into this next story. Were the optimism for the future of the united states over the next year has fallen now under joe biden. It's up to fifty five percent in a recent. Abc news poll. That says that they are pessimistic. Now about the future of the country back on may second. That number was only thirty six percent. So we are we are falling. We are falling fast for the optimism in this country right now right that same poll showed that biden's losing support the whole the whole thing. It's it's a constant drumbeat of bad news. I mean i grew up in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred. Seventy s america yes. I'm that old. I remember what it was like every day. If you sat and watched the news i was like four five six seven but you can understand that when you're that age i mean you can understand during during the carter presidency. You can understand what it was like in. That's what this feels like again. We've got the runaway inflation. And i went to the grocery store yesterday right and i didn't buy. I'm not buying steak anymore. Like like a big part of my diet was stake to get like select the disgusting steak is like twelve to fifteen dollars a pound for the sirloin now right. It's the prices at the grocery store. Ridiculous i feel two bags yesterday at the grocery store and it was forty five dollars. Yeah they said they said bacon is up like eight percent of americans are really gonna start. Writing is when you affect the price of bacon. They they can't have it but you know what are you. Look at the the optimism of of the united states falling so far so quickly. Well i think. I think this is two different things to this because i think was who were they polling in the first place. That's what i want to. I want to ask because everyone on twenty seven adults. I'm sure and i wonder. What the percentage of those on each side of the all was. Because i didn't know anyone on the right. That was optimistic about abidin presidency. Right so maybe the other side of waking up a little bit too. What a lot of people were saying. Before he's that you know they. He is probably the best person to run the country. But here's a shocker. Coming from europe. I have such a belief in the american system and the american people. I just don't feel as despondent as everyone else does. Because i can see the greatness in americans enough seeing them do before and i know the given the opportunity they're going to turn it around What is what is concerning is the way that things have been kind of a partisan in like the fbi cio that that is concerning right. But i truly believe in the in the in the infrastructure that the founding fathers gave americans that give us the opportunity to address these these massive grabs of power. And i just think that this too many people out there the people that they call the silent majority that they're like hey listen we don't this when the chips are down they're gonna go. Hey listen you're not doing this to my country. I love this country. My my grandparents dot fought and died for this country. We're willing to do the same. And there's a huge swath. The majority of the people in america like that. And so i really do believe in the american idea a really do on the american dream. And i think it's gonna come back. And i've never felt despondent. You know because for example we have opportunity in california was a nightmare moved to texas moved to texas. Great there's always some optimism. And i love that. You're bringing the optimism here on a monday evening with us. We'll be right back after this dallas. Democrats are facing a backlash right now. They're trying to solicit packages. Of course we all know about the texas democrats that went to washington dc. It's like they don't have any stores in washington. Dc or maybe. They're not open because they're handing out all this money but either way they need some free stuff from you. The american public to send to them so rob. I know we have until tuesday. At five pm. descending are goodies. Or you're gonna you're gonna you know because you know because his taxes right so that's one of the things requested. Can you just spend more money. So then they can go to like seven eleven right. Dr peppers salsa hard candy or money to pay for shipping. All you should send the masks in on his hand sanitizer. Also the hand sanitizer is actually trying to do. But it's real because this is the world that we live in right now so we kids and i ate as well. Who's gonna be sewing. What democrat is out there sewing their own items when they're in washington dc. None of them. None of them are so thanks. Everybody for watching the show today. 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The Coca-Cola Trail - Larry Jorgensen

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The Coca-Cola Trail - Larry Jorgensen

"Coke we'll talk about it on this episode of the Mine Doug TV podcast. Is Yet another episode of the. TV podcast I'm now both thanks for coming. It's great to have years always great subject. Tonight we're GonNa talk about Coca, Cola, and you know the real thing things go better with coke. but I I need to get stuff out of the way. I if you've been following the program, you know for the last. Couple of weeks or so I've been. Doing this test on this product sixteen days ago. Now, I've been seventeen days ago losing track Chris Perez was from ACS research with my guest, and he has this product. It's called my vital say and It was making some extraordinary claims about it basically The main ingredient product was discovered in nineteen ninety-one while he was still a Grad student at Texas. University. And doing some toxicity tests on it. They found that it not only was nontoxic Metaxas at all, but it also prolong the lives of all mammals it was tested on and gave him a tumor free life and a better quality of life. Now I don't know exactly how you measure the quality of life of lab rat, but this is what was claimed. So went to rigorous testing before the FDA finally proved it for human consumption in twenty thirteen. And humans have been using in twenty thirteen. Now, the claim is that it can prolong your life by ninety percent or more, which essentially is doubling your life lifespan which. To me, I'm a skeptic. But it also claims to make your life better gives you more energy clear thinking better sleep a. Allow across the board better health So that's the claim and being a skeptic that I am I said to Chris I was skeptical about it now sick American that prepared to say, no, it doesn't work but I I'm questioning it out as it work. Why does it work? He said how about this one and I send you some new try it every. Day for six eight weeks have me back and we'll. We'll discuss your results fair enough. So he sent me a bunch and I've been doing it every day fifteen days and fifteen nights now So I can tell you this for thirteen. Th Straight days had really good results UNILAT-, a lot of extra energy sleeping a little better and then a couple. Of days ago, kind of crashed and burned and been feeling low energy for two days. Now, it's not reflected in the way I'm speaking right now because I want to get to my guest and I feel like that's really important. But I have been the results of kind of tapered off for the last couple of days I don't know what that's due to. why am I doing it on the air? Instead of just you know just it because number one I want to be held accountable I don't WanNa forget to do it and I figure if I do it on the Air I'm not GonNa Forget to do it, and secondly I want proof I want I want physical proof that I have done it as as prescribed. For the time allotted until he comes back. So he'll be back with me on October twenty, nine, th at one PM, and we'll review my results then but to do it really quickly now, it's just this little tube It also comes in a like shot formula away you put porn in a like a NYQUIL Cup and do it as a shot I do twice a day it goes really quick. Exit. I, need to take I need to take a water tracer really quickly. Because the one negative about it. If you've been following the program. You know this is it tastes awful stuff. It tastes really really awful and that's the one thing I'm going to recommend to him that. When it comes back. I'm the you know they can make cough syrup tastes good or or less than horrible. They should be able to do something with this product. Okay. Onto the program I my sponsors Fun wise capital you know about them. 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A wire service assignment and freelance is also been a publisher for monthly publication currently, Larry Researches and writes history related articles and books while also providing a media services for clients He's got a new book out called the coca-cola trail and it's my privilege in I'm very excited to introduce him to you and find out about the Book Ladies and Gentlemen Please Open ears open minds and helped me welcome in Larry Johnson Larry Welcome. Thank you manage. Going to be a lot of fun to be with you, and you know that Coca Cola might help on that product or sampling and give a rural additives may maybe you know I want to tell the story in the intro but I wanNA keep you waiting too long when I was a kid I lived on Coca Cola and you know I'm an old man now but I'm. Thinking back sixty fifty plus years almost sixty years there was a boatyard near my house had a coke machine with twelve ounce glass bottles of coke and and and that was the prize that took the twelve ounce glass bottles that were ice cold in a typical coke machine, and in those days, it was twenty five cents to buy that in the store but in the marina it for A. Dime and I figured a way to sneak into the marina with my dime. So I could get those bottles and I, would do that three or four times a day ride my bike them break into the marina was sneaky climb over the fence and get a bottle and it was like I scored gold. It was like the greatest treasure of my life to be able to get A. Twelve ounce bottle of coke for ten cents it was amazing. So it played a big part in my life. I don't drink it anymore because I'm an old man now in it's it's really not the healthiest jake but I loved it was a big part of my childhood. So tell me a little bit about what inspired you to kind of get behind this book and writing this book. Just your story there. Everybody has a coca-cola memory I have found out and what got this all started I'm in. Louisiana in fact, were stocking up on coca-cola awaiting a another exciting whether adventure Manetti Al So. There's to newseum. Private museums. For coca-cola, certainly nearby and would be a great travel feature. So I went to the first one in Vicksburg did little information on them. Then I went to the next one, which is in Monroe Louisiana and as I got talking to the people at that museum and the family is History Coca Cola history. I realized there is so much more to this than just a little feature. There's a book it's all over the place and that inspired me to go after it and to create the book and and there are so many interesting places to visit that are coca-cola history. We're not talking about Atlanta everybody written about it Atlanta Ghetto we're talking about, for example, Vicksburg Mississippi. were. Coca Cola I modeled bottled in VICKSBURG MISSISSIPPI NOT IN ATLANTA. It was bottled there by a gentleman that had a a sort of phone and an ice cream store and a candy store, and he was selling Coca, Cola? Fountain drinks he was also the distributor for the Coca Cola Syrup so he'd get it for his store and Sell it to other stores to make Fountain Cokes Yanni thought this was eighteen, ninety five. And he's not. You know it's a long walk into Vicksburg from wherever you are. If we put this stuff in bottles, we bring it to you and that's how it started. He actually was bottling for five years before coca-cola said Yeah it's okay to bottle. You just. Did it you know and? The family at the beaten orange they became anyone who follows coca-cola role know that the beaten of the pioneer coca-cola families, bottling families, and they're still bottling today and. It's just typical of what's in the book. It's all kinds of places where you could go and see coca-cola history and wire looking at it. We're going to tell you what you're looking at. Right. It's an American phenomenon, but now it since eighteen ninety-five, it's grown into a worldwide phenomenon. I mean you can't go anywhere in the world with the brand. coca-cola is not known, right? It is the world's best known brand. Best. It is also the world's best collected brand people coca cola, Idol Care coca-cola whatever got Coca Cola on it in collectible. There's an organization of coca-cola collectors several thousand of them they made and have rallies and trade. events where they swamp and they have an annual convention is a big deal and these people are into Coca Cola, collectible. But you know it was and I think what we try to say what the book. It was those little Coca Cola bottlers who thought. This might be worse something and they started bottling it and they're the ones really that created the Coca Cola Empire as we know it today, it's little guys who took a chance opera. For new, Orleans, you know said, we're going to try it. You know. Coca Cola. Bottling was a good idea. Yeah. I was just going to ask you about that. was that something that the the corporation the company supported or were these guys in working independently and coming up with their own bottling techniques, him a bottle styles and all that kind of stuff. It's A. Story again on unsuccess-. Two young lawyers from Chattanooga. Fought you know if we could get the rights to bottle Coca Cola we could probably make some money. Her make a trip to Atlanta and they meet with the gentleman as candler who was making the Coca Cola Syrup. And they said to him Mr Candler. We want exclusive rights to bottle. Coca Cola in the United States and he said that's a pretty dumb idea. Is Arnold Arnold that idea It took them to wings to Jim to at least look the idea. So he said, all right go back drama contract. Let me take a look at it which they did. He looked at it and he said I don't think this is makes any central. He said I'm worried about the quality of the product being maintained bottling. He said it's a quote a dumb idea, and if it doesn't work dot com calling back to me with it and he charged them one dollar for the home or the exclusive rights to bottle Coca Cola and every place. But Mississippi because that's where joe was already doing gay. So they go back to Chattanooga. You Know Matt you know the story about the the dog chasing the car what do you do with it when you can't you? We these guys were the same way. They go back to Chattanooga the got the rights to bottle Coca Cola over the united. States, and between the two of them have got fifteen hundred dollars you know. So like what are we going to? So what they did after setting up their own little bottling plant and realizing that wasn't going to make. They said, wait a minute. We've got the rights and they started selling territories. You WanNa bottle, Coca Cola, and Paducah. Great. A fifty mile radius for X. amount of money and you could follow Coca Cola. However, you must use the Coca Cola, Syrup, which comes from Atlanta and when you get the syrup. We being the ones who sold you the rights also got a commission on every gallon of Syrup that you buy. So they sold have been cut. You know kept their fingers in the pie to speak and it was that initial franchising what it was that created the coca-cola. Empire, people said, let's try it and it wasn't easy you. There were a lot of obstacles and coca-cola were so different that People were afraid to try it just there's a lot of stories in the book as to how the bottlers convince the customer to try the drink. Well Yeah. Let's talk about that. So it wasn't really a marketed to kids as it started out. Right? It was an adult drank. Right and you know it through meridia originally developed the syrup was developed by Pemberton. Who thought he had a civil war injury and he was looking for some worries some way to get relief. So it was developed from medicinal purposes as they say well. You know one of the ways unique ways is like that a bodmer out in Santa. Fe. decided to do it. He bottled his first case coca-cola took it to his local grocery store the man there was his friend and he said, I'll leave you the case and I'll be back in a week to pick up my money. Well he came back at a week and the case, a coke was being used as a doorstop. How many I get people try this you know the song about. peanut senior coke. It's an old country song now. It is a country song about hours, putting peanuts and my coke when when. Any so This why in Santa Fe New Mexico buys a fifty pound bag of peanuts. And it gets his kids to put the peanuts, the little one serving bags, and for every bag that they made, he battled two bottles coca-cola load it all into his little truck and went to the local football game, and he would sell peanuts, and after somebody had peanuts, they had a thirst. So then they had by coke and. That's how he started. There were a lot of other ways some of the bombers took it on. We're bottling you know all kinds of sodas SAS morillas, orange, and lemon lime, and all that, and so then send out a case of mixed drinks to a customer, and they'd slip in a couple of bottles of Coca Cola zero. They could get him to try it and those are the types of things that were done to get people to try Coca Cola. Was a harsh awful for awhile. So But what was the Chola what what people were college before Coca Co Coca Cola came out with it where was there a cola drink or were they the first ones that actually had coal a carbonated? Water I it's. First Ones Ed became so successful that there were a lot of brands of colas. You had the Chiro coal you had all kinds of brands and the problem those was in early nineteen hundreds is battling was whatever they could get their hands on to put it in a bottled. Consequently the consumer was really confused. Am I getting coca-cola? Am I getting trivial one of my getting so Coca Cola in nineteen five and this is why The Coca Cola bottle is what it is in nineteen o five Coca Cola went to the bottle makers in the United States and they offered a challenge. We want a bottle that has a coca cola bottle. It'll be our bottle of we nothing like while six bottlers bottle makers took the challenge and they all created their own idea for Coca Cola bottle the a year later, the six that competed. took their product to. For a meeting of Coca Cola bottlers and one model was selected that one happened to be be produced in Terre Haute. Indiana, by the Root Glass Company and that one one, the right to battle, and so consequently, every bottle Coca Cola from that day forward had to be in that bottle it was designed by the Root Glass Company. Now, they maintained the the exclusive patent to that for about twenty five years and what other glass companies would need to bottle to make bottles for Coca Cola they had to pay the company in Indiana a world EC. Eventually, coca-cola said, wait a minute are they bought out the rights to their own bottle from this bottling maker in in Indiana and it's been a coca-cola property of her since I? Show you the value of that bottle. We're talking about collectors. The bottle collectors are just as avid. You know when you got that bottle of coca. Cola machine chances are if you looked on the bottom, there was a town on the bottom of that bottle as to where that Coca Cola was bomb. That became a big collector thing and the the the more rare in the town, the more extensive the bottle to collect her. Role the comet bottle in collecting the holy grail is at were. When they did it in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five, each bottle maker. After the test they were supposed to be destroyed except the winning bottle one went to Coca Cola archives another one disorder sorta disappeared. You know well, obviously in somebody had it and it came up for auction a year ago in California and the reason we know it's that model is because it's dated nineteen o five. And they weren't maybe in nine they were they started making them in nineteen oh six. Five it had to be that one remaining prototype and that model went up for auction and sold for over a hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Oh. My goodness. So when you say stuff like that I'm thinking about all the money I could have thrown away traded back for a nickel because the bottles you are in those days I don't even think it wasn't nickel when when you took it back for recycling or do you get your deposit? I think it was a penny or two pennies back in the sixties and not even a nickel. But so you you you tell me I gave away a hundred fifty thousand dollars. For House you census. What you may but I don't know how that one existed and finally came up for auction but. Nevertheless it. It was a survivor. The other one is. In the archives and coca-cola corporate in Atlanta. Right. So and the funny thing is that plenty I don't know how funny is. But when People Order Cola they don't they just call it a coke they assuming no matter what kind what brand it is they're gonna say coke just you know give me a burger and a coke Burger fries and a coke whatever even if they're getting Pepsi or whatever would be of the brain. They. WanNa which. is in well, that's goals. You know another story about you remember the Coca Cola. The Du Hoc. Member that dry air new coca thug perlman the reason for that product about that time Pepsi was doing a thing called the Pepsi Challenge Right I remember that. and. You would go up to the counter and there would be two unmarked glasses and you take a sip of each one and then you would say which one is the best will people were taking the Pepsi At Drove Coca Cola Greasy. So he's GonNa Change Floor Mail. So they changed formula they came out with the new coq. What happened if you take a sip of two different beverages? And one is sweeter chances are you're going to go with the sweeter one? But for long term enjoyment, you're gonna go with the Coca Cola. Coca Cola was so. Sucked into that project by Pepsi, you know that they had to have a new product and they created the new Coca Cola. They were GONNA, die by rabid for two years it went on this. New Coca Cola and I mean deliveryman who are delivering Coca Cola the grocery stores said liberal would cost them say, where's my? Goal I want like were. Flying. I remember having arguing with my brother when I when we were kids about, which was better coca Pepsi, and of course, Pepsi was a little sweeter and as a younger kid, I liked to Pepsi in those days but he was a diehard coke guy and and coke was better and so but when in the eighties came along and they had that Pepsi Townsend in New Co, came out it was clear that you know new coq was trying to tastes like Pepsi nobody likes nobody likes the new coq they all wanted the all coke. And it but it took go to Cholla two years to realize they've made a mistake. To give. A period when they had new coq out and classic coke and you could either at one point there. Yes. There were I think I guess maybe they were trying to get rid inventory I don't know. Think not. Long. They did bring it back sort of as a memory thing in a very limited amount and who knows it was sold or whatever but it was. It was a promotion didn't last long. So. I. Don't know a there. You got into this part of it, but cocaine within an IT originally at some point, right when it will. Vest verify started there was cocaine or trace amounts of cocaine and. That's a slightly exaggerated version of what happened but you know the competition likes spread that the Coca Cola formula is made from the Kola nut. and the coca. Leaf. Leaf is in fact processed. To get the flavor out of it, but it is not highly processed as they do to make cocaine. And now, because of that in the early, very early stages of Coca Cola there was that sleight. Of Hint whatever you WANNA call it of cocaine which came from the coca leaf being processed the way it was it got to be such a hassle. The owner of Coca Cola as candler. Who knows how much money our chemists and research people want to make sure there was no trace of that ever ever again because it was starting to get some bad rap and it wasn't really cocaine it was an ingredient for McAleese Won't insure. gave him a lot of grief for awhile. Wow and so when when did they actually start marketing it like where you can buy it and six packs and all that kind of stuff was that wasn't right away right I guess you would buy a single bottle at at one point and then some somewhere along the line somebody said we. Do this six packs in cases and that kind of stuff always that immediate. Well almost immediate, not quite but Chattanooga were these two lawyers would back that became the first licensed approved bottler for Coca Cola, and to this day the operation there is one of the biggest N Coca-cola and they started fairly soon looking at other ways the market one of them. In Chattanooga, there's a company that was successful for many many years making the old wooden cartons member, the the one Ray, and ironically there was also in Chattanooga, a company that made the bottles and the license from Indiana to make the bottles will the salesman from the from the Carton. Company. Wouldn't carton company and the salesman from the bottle company. They take off other road together and they'd go visit bottlers around the country and they would sell them coca cola bottles. Well, they have to come in a case. To sail. So it was pretty pretty quick that they got into ways of multiple marketing in the wooden cases I one and that came fairly soon. And a bottle pretty much stayed the same bright for for the first fifty, sixty years whatever it was. lutely. Bottles got a light green color to it. Yeah. Why Because when the company Indiana. The Root Glass Company, when they made the bottle, they had A. A sand. Quarry about fifty miles away. In a town called Greencastle, which has nothing to do with the color, but it's ironic the town is greencastle. So they brought the sand by rail to Tara hold and made the bottle while as it turned out, there was copper and other minerals in that sand that created the green color. Global Coal I did so much at first they called a German green and they said, no, that's not a good idea. Then they called a Georgia greed but consequently after that, any glassmaker that made a coca cola bottle. If there are sand did not contain the minerals they were required to get them and make sure that they made green bottles to. Wow interesting stuff that said that copper in the bottle affect the taste at all. No. No it was the the comper was you know in the sand and the sand is they make glass they built the sand and it had no no affect on the taste of the product and all but it it certainly added in a fake. Incurs old. It strikes me as my one of my memories is my brother and I arguing about bottles versus cans and it does infect the taste and does it taste different in a bottle and the candidate? We I think we had that argument several times When did they start canning it? Actually. They started canning it. About in the eighties nineteen eighties as well. They really got into it because we become a throwaway society. And coca-cola actually sent out a memo to their bottlers about ten fifteen before that in the sixties that said canning is coming get ready for it. Okay. Because we have become a throwaway society of people didn't WANNA take bottles back to the store and. Consequently, the bottle manufacturers came up with the throwaway bottle. Well, you say, well, what what's the difference? There's a big difference in the construction of it made. Okay but yeah. So in any case they. They a lot of to change over to canning. For a lot of these small bottlers that was an expensive proposition and many of them would get together and form a Canon cooperatives where what they were known a canning plant that would can coca-cola for all and then it would go the different bottlers, some somebody's and Zach. Are Independent bothers to this day. Aren't some Phil can as well as vital in their their companies but most of them have gone to the Cooper project. So. I never have lots of different kinds of bottles out but there is a place near me where I can get like what looks like the classic bottle but somebody told me the Mickens in Mexico are they still making him in the US? Not to my knowledge, they're not making him in the US, but they are selling still selling a lot of because it's an astounding. ironically, the last bottler to actually bottle the six and a half ounce Coca Cola. was about three years ago in one own Minnesota. And he bottled the six and a half obser- for the last time, and he actually had to go to sources to get another bottles to new the bond leg I think they ran like two thousand and some bottles. became sort of collectors thing. In fact, A bottler from Saint, Cloud Minnesota bought the last one for two thousand dollars and the other ones all sold for ten dollars each and the money would to improve the trail system in will not Minnesota. So there's no money that I'm aware of in the United States bobbling the six and a half ulcer anymore yeah I I like to sixteen ounce, and that was the thing my brother and I argued about to what? What was better the twelve ounces sixteen ounce bottles We argued about coca line. I guess. My memory now but so was it always carbonated or I'm under the impression or I think I've been told somewhere along the line that when it first came out, it was not that carbonate hardly had any carbonation and it was like a very syrupy type of drink at the the change over the years. Yeah. It did it change and it was simply because of the difficulty you know these are we're talking mom and pop operations and their hand Bodley you know. We got a big tank with the CO two or whatever. Okay. So obviously the. The carbonation was not as heavy or as consistent as it is now, right when did the first the competition? Was it? Pepsi, and when was that? Why I don't think it was Pepsi. There were a bunch of them in the early nineteen hundreds and I, think probably the one that stands out the most and actually go to follow suit him was a company called. She agr Oh cola rated came in red cans. Bottles to with the with similar writing on it to right. And Coca Cola took him to court and got him to quit. And they had already at that time had set up several bottlers around the country they were doing a coca-cola thing. But ironically about twenty five years later, the court ruling was overturned, but it was too late for sure they were out of business. Go to call had tried to To secure the use of the Word Cola and a beverage and Lico court upheld that and later they said, no. You can't do it. Right. So you as you mentioned, a couple of times here were really Atlanta was the main headquarters in the early days in probably still is right. How long did it take to go national nationwide and become like America's drink? We're GONNA take long because. I. Didn't really think it was a big idea. You know. So you've got these two guys in Chattanooga who have invested their last fifty dollars and now they've got you know the world. At their disposal and it was their. Desire to make it go that really made it happen fast they were. There was two of them and they were selling franchises like crazy. They ultimately split the country a half half of them have country went to one of the partners who took the southern half and the other party took the northern house but they continued vigorously setting up bottlers and and it became not only. Shorter known as a parent Butler because remember they were keeping. Commission, the Syrup Okay at you had world through them to get your rights the bottle, but they also protected the bottlers. There was one particular incident. Would ownership changed at Coca Cola to a syndicate? And The person who was in charge said these agreements with these independent bottlers They're not. They can't last forever. We take a back whenever we want and they tried to thank him back at strength of the the parent bottler pulling all the La- bottlers together the beat that down at Coca Cola as well. You know. Coca Cola wanted to get all back but they could. Have a photo of a lot of photos in the book or any photos in the book -solutely, there's A. The book has got over two hundred pages and there's at least one photo or more on every page and a lot of them are historic photos of I met with a lot of the families, these generations of generations and got photos from them from historical as I call them historical associations we got forwards and. There's a lot of photos in the book. I've got him photo in there in the very first chapter. There is a photo that I have taken the liberty to call. The world's first Coca Cola deliveryman. Vicksburg Mississippi and as a black gentleman on wagon pulled by. By donkey loaded with coca-cola cases. Vicksburg was the only place. It was bond like at that time as he was delivering for Vicksburg, he had to be the world's first coca-cola delivering them. I gotcha that's a good assumption to make. Absolutely. So when you talking eighteen, ninety five but and two, nine, hundred, five, one when was the infancy of the company I'm thinking? Refrigeration and why no refrigeration trucks I every day to be like on ice or an ice trucks or something. Well, it was delivered. Not, cooled down. But one of the bottlers out in the I'll told me the story that of course he had snow out Nyla that he would go to his local grocery store and. The boxers, the wooden boxes that cheese would come in he put that box. Window Ledge outside Lennon's get full of snow and they put the call. And had and their own cheese box. Cold, coca-cola's but for a long time, although was no refrigerated. Coca Cola yeah, IMAGINE MISSISSIPPI GETS pretty hot in the summertime coming out of Vicksburg would probably almost boiling. so In the nineteen fifties and sixties because we had this boom of fast food restaurants and of course, at they were all sound coke because that was the drink that you know. America, had it at time but at some point I think coke became very smart and a created deals with these companies exclusive deals that they had to either sell coke and call it Coca Cola and distinguished between coke and Pepsi because now, if you order a coke, it places that don't have Kobe. Yeah we only have Pepsi is that okay If you've gone into Fassou plays lately and you see these huge vending machines you know you've got about twenty options and buttons. Of Bush, you can get anything coca-cola. pushable. Right, when did they start to diversify and extra like orange crush I know orange crush with available when I was a kid and that was my second favorite I. Mean I love the the orange crush in the same kind of sixteen ounce bottles that you could get cocaine. But when did they start that diversification in different kinds of drinks? Why think it came two ways? You had bottlers who were already bottling. Sodas you know SAS parole whatever. So ramblers a natural addition to what they were doing. And consequently other bottlers who were just bottling Coca Cola. Said wait a minute. You know we could. We is some more product we could get on the shelves we're going to these stores anyhow. So it evolved and that coca-cola solid what was happening and they started creating the Coca Cola brands the Santa's etc you know. I mean today Coca Cola is the so many products the average person you know it just a boy away I mean monster for example, he had familiar with the monster energy drink. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Coca Cola product I did not know that. There's a story behind Bab, they bought into it percentage in by it all and part of the agreement was, would they want into it that they would not could use an energy drink in the United States. While, they developed an energy drink. In. England. At Ucla now you see it in the United States. While Monster said, wait a minute. We got this agreement will I don't know what was involved one dollars worth changed hands but always on monster signed off on the ACA Cola you. We're not gonNA fight you if you want to bring your energy to the United States. So you could go into store now and I think there's three flavors of Coca Cola Energy and they're you know they're in that that. Recognizable thin, tall can, and and. You know they're into milk. Who? have. A bottle of water to write. They have about water products. Dishonest Johnny Right Yeah. There's a bodmer in my book. In a home of Tennessee. who bottles of both cans and the plastics and he also bottles dishonesty he has been able to set up a system called reversal electrolysis or whatever it is to create that who are water and he bottles the Sunday for the whole state a- Tennessee one, you know but Tucson is extremely popular. Yeah. You know I was smiling before when you said Sas Parrilla, my I look at my Demographics show and the you just a portion of my show. The people who listen are eighteen to twenty five followed closely by the twenty, five, thirty, five, I doubt. They ever heard the words. Were The old. Western movie that used to be an hour Gimme a Saas Perello margin. A What about Dr Pepper was that was that always around what was that of rival of coq? Rival and it started out very similar. It started out in Texas and it was a pharmacist who came up with the formula and. GonNa heck of a job would that product and in setting a bothers and you'll find a one of Coca Cola bottlers also handle Dr Pepper right and they came didn't co come out with Cherry Coke to kind of. To compete with that or something well, I'm over was to compete with empathy definitely want a new flavor and for a while Cherry, coke was extremely popular. They're always. Experimenting they had that that orange dream cycle when they came out with not too long ago. The idea is. Get as many products as you can take up as much space, other grocery store shelves, you can't. How much of your life? How much time and energy that you put into researching his book and writing it? Two and a half years on this one and. we have a new one coming out. It's anthem printers as we speak, it's called return to the Coca Cola trail. Announced got another two hundred pages and another twenty seven chapters places to go. You know it. It's just amazing. I got into this thing and I couldn't turn her loose. People would come to me and say, are you aware of you know at I'd investigated and sure enough. So when we did a second book, it'll be out it's up supposed to have it back from the perimeter about two weeks why it's called returned to the Coca Cola. All right. Well, we have the coca-cola the the url up in abatements growing along the Hope program. If you WANNA, get the book right now it's available on Larry's website there So it's just the Coca Cola trail that calm very easy. Of course, link will be in the descript always Any value. Are you talking about collectibles? Is If value in some of this stuff like say if I had a bag full of coca cola bottle caps would that be worth anything. About the camps. I do know that at one time. During, the war. They couldn't make they couldn't get the medal to make the caps were some bottlers. The were actually recycling the caps back to the company in Chicago, and with those camps came back they were painted gray. So as A great. coca-cola cap, which is very rare that would be worth something and there wasn't a lot of made but not camps as much as the bottles and you know you, you talk about Coca Cola Memorabilia you walk into a country store you walk into a flea market you walk into an antique store there's going to be Coca Cola on the wall all over the place. Right look at the prices on some of that stuff is pretty good and That's odd to me that people were wanted like on a sweatshirt on a pillow or you know what they have lots is so many different products that have that logo on it, and it's just surprising to me why bad is an attractive product? People got any idea why? I. Drink it's memory. You know everybody has a Coca Cola memory. Yeah I do. And they treasure that memory at why it they wanna be able to show that they've been Coca Cola. Fan. Forever. It's very unique. It's A. Thousand definitely style jobs and somebody in the chat room. What what the coca-cola on. Youtube. You tune in a little bit late because we kind of covered that we are talked about monster I talked about orange crush but are there any that I had to Sandy Water Are there any other big? More Orange Juice about Sarah life milk you know I'm probably don't even know how many there are. One of the bottlers told me that they're dealing with close to two under different products right what about the all machines continue Christos those are great collectors item and and guys like to put them in their their man caves tags. Have you know like me that would be a major because I have that memory of breaking into the Marina to get the ten cent coke of a bottle that would be a huge thing for me to. Have that old fashioned bending machines even though it was slow and clunky and yet to Kinda fight with the machine to get the bottle out had the actual bottle opener built into the machine was so cool they did they manufacture there's somebody who got behind may make making new wants to sell old guys like May WanNa put it in a man cave or you to find an original now you can. You can get Repose but as as You keep your eyes open for the originals, there were some money, right? there. Are If you go on the Internet Google, you know Kogo vending machines. There's guys that are doing a reproductions, but there's there's a couple of companies that specialize Ed. You know the ones and what they're worth and the ones that were produced like they only made five hundred copies and then along came a new innovation showing that that little was discontinued Again, you know we talked about Chattanooga and the Glass Company, and they had the the car, the wood box company also Chattanooga was a company called Cavalier. Cavalier was a vending machine company, and for years they were the only vending machine company to make vending machines for cocoa and and some of those are you find them? They're very expensive. With, somebody just asked me in the in the chat room to to ask about the Mexico. Real sugar thing. So. He saying what about Coke from Mexico Mexico that's still uses real sugar is do they not use real sugar in the USA anymore? No, they do inch educating cancer. But. I'll cane sugar. So but you see some some. There is an exclusive on the Mexico stuff and I know I've seen in my soup of supermarket where people who are fanatics about the product preferred the Mexico stuff why is that I? Think it just because of the. Type of cane that they use a Mexican sugarcane to and it's different climate different way it's grown I. Guess maybe it gives it a different flavor. Maybe it's just the idea of saying it's from Mexico idol right and so were you were you always cocoa were ever Pepsi guided the did you ever kind of become a trader? was growing was whatever was as I used to like you talk about the orange crush? Golly those the bottle that the original orange crush game and that was a real treat. That Brown groove bodily it oh. Yeah. I can get them to every once in a while is the same place where I get that coke in the bottle now has those in that when they do I, buy as many of them as they have because it's like it's like a treasure made like. They're doing a lot of companies are doing. You know the the retrial on this stuff and and great memories. The style to man the styles itself doesn't it Richard Does and at the first marketing campaign that I remember that the big one is probably things go better with coca-cola things go better with coke and then there was I'd like to teach the world to sing were they. I don't remember Pepsi or any other brands having kind of you know big marketing and they come out with a jingle at everybody knew was coq unique in doing that They were at as you get the coca. Cola. I don't have it in my book because it's too long but I do have a coca. Cola. Reference Book. And it'll give you every year that they came out with a new jingle jingle us and they were extremely creative. But I'll give you another example of cokes. Sticking. The being creative Christmas. Up Okay who invented the Santa Claus? We all know. The coup artists created the Santa clause that everybody says, yes that Santa was created by coca-cola own remember two years ago. The US post office came out with a set of Christmas stabs that had four. Santa's on them. And those four centers were all coca-cola created centers. Wow. But Coca Cola literally owns Christmas the. Then, how about now and again, it's a result of of TV. There was a TV commercial that ran many years ago pump twenty years that that I think in the nineties. That showed the Coca Cola trucks the big trucks. All lit up the semis coming into town that was all done graphically. Went over so well, that has become a coca cola tradition you. You cannot fly in town at Christmas where there isn't a big decorated Coca Cola semi coming to town you know, right? Yeah. And then you could add to that Charlie Brown's Christmas. Coca Cola SAISD Charlie Brown's Christmas with that came out nobody wanted to do it. They thought was dumb in Coca Cola's will sponsor it and the sponsorship of Charlie Brown's Chris was. boomeranged for so so at Christmas time, you got Charlie Brown's Christmas like coca. Cola. You got the big trucks and of course she got satellite. Own, they own Christmas Wow I've as supporting your book at all in any way or they are they getting behind it and and helping push it on that? They don't even know about. I had I had to licenses. Through coca-cola which was not a problem they looked at it and said, yeah, you're harmless and they licensed it. You know. So in the front page of the book in the I, call the Gobbledygook page where all the legal stuff is it'll tell you the the the book has been licensed Michael. But I tried to throughout the book. Not to go to coca-cola archives for information. You know I I wanted information that. I wanted to try to the bottlers you know and. The few times that I went to the archives. It was just verify something that I've been told by somebody else. So it loaded with information that. They provided. Some of the information that is sold to Coca Cola archives. Wow, very cool stuff. So they're getting information from you. That's great stuff Are you familiar with with? The? Conspiracy Theory Club Mandela Effect Not Okay. basically but. The reason I'm asking you about it. It's basically the theory is that there is a glitch in the Matrix in where we live in a messed up of version of of reality and that a lot of things have changed from the world we knew before it's it's a ridiculous play the out there conspiracy theory. But part of the thing they talk about his logos change from we were complicated and they talk about the phone afford logo and they talk about the Oscar Mayer Wiener and have the name change and not spelled what it was but one of the things they talk about it the Coca Cola logo has it changed it changed. And the story is in my second book. Okay. A world famous international save us. He's now deceased wildlife artists for Minnesota Les Kouba. Les Kouba started out his. Career Painting Gogol on the sides of buildings at on trucks at whatever to make dollar. He's not true good at it that he could paint the Coca Cola logo upside down and backwards. But he he knew that logo at one point this is back in one thousand, nine, hundred, twenty s he went to. Georgia. To paint a coca-cola sign on a Ballpark, you know the ballpark background. and. The local bottler had brought him in and he tool bottler he said I can do it. He said, you know the WHO SOME HELP It needs a little more depth and eight just handsome ideas and the bomber said, we'll Glenn do it. He did it. He created just A. Slight change the Coca Cola logo. The bottler was so impressed. He's an Tiffany Georgia. He called Coca Cola corporate in. Atlanta he's got to come see this. Way said some of the marketing box up to tiffany. To look at what what Cola had done. They were so impressed with that. They came back two days later with a check and bought the rights. to His design of the Coca Cola logo. So yeah, has changed a little. we're, GONNA sell a lot of books. The conspiracy theorists people are now because I'm Gonna I'M GONNA share cut that clip outweighed talked about the logo changing because that's been a huge. People buy into all sorts of crazy ideas, these days, and so that one is out that it's called the Mandela effective if you ever have. To just waste on on meaningless lap. But there are a lot of people who believe in it and one of the things they point out is that Coca Cola's logo changed and I it must be something nefarious. It's like a glitch in a matrix when you just pointed out factually that it, there's a good reason behind the chains. And so Only if you had to really know what you're looking add. To see the difference, right? Right. Well, they do they. You know the Ford. Logo to the Ford logo has a little bit of a change in the to a little squiggly line and they like that and but I guess they don't bother checking with the companies because that information has to be pretty easy to find out that that. Yes indeed. We did change the logo slightly at some point and this had happened but they they don't bother to go that far I guess. What about the Ford logo the about three years ago when I got started on the book, the gentleman who is in charge of the archives in Atlanta. Went. About two years ago, he went to work as archivist and Ford. So it went from the Red Oval to Okay Very step and ironically when he went to work at coca-cola says This is a great place. And Great. American companies though Henry Ford, from what I tell this was a real jerk but to great American companies informed Coca Cola iconic companies of a what made America great right. Good good stuff. Larry's been a pleasure to get to know you. The book is called the coca-cola trail and the website is the Coca Cola trail dot com is that the only place it's available on your on that website or you have it available on Amazon and it's on Amazon and also You go into country whistle over eight thousand copies of this book. Wow. You go into a country store. You may see it sitting on the counter there. was asking you if coke is behind it because it would be good wherever they sold coke to kind of put that book out there and You know I think it would be good for them and good for you. Now that that's an effort we've tried and haven't gotten over, we're going to try and. The MOM and pop stores whether we have it. I would think if you had it on display in a little store where they have those bottles that I get the old fashioned bottles and had the book right next to it, I would pick up the book with a six pack. And there's places. Gives good good example there's a place in Oklahoma? And say, they have a very large soda bottle outside the as a fifties restaurants. And She has gone through I don't least four orders of Coca Cola books. would. Know when you walk in your into your into that that timeframe anyhow and we've got to have it. You know. It's strange. It shows up several unusual places but I'm as does well, thank you for your time I. Wish you great success in one is when does the next version of the book the return to coca-cola trail when I commend it's already on the website and it'll be out in two weeks gray well, I appreciate your time. Larry. been great to know you and anytime you want to come back the door's always open to help until you wanna come back and talk more about some coca-cola history or whatever you're working on you know you and I'm glad to have you back anytime. You want like that we'll look forward to it we will. Have a good night. Bye. This episode is brought to you by put me in the story. Put me in the story creates personalized books for kids by taking selling children's picture books and well up characters and allowing you to create personalized books that make your child the star of the story alongside their favorite characters. Save twenty, five percent storewide. 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Yeah it's a guatemalan misim. It's a term of endearment from one guatemala into another so it something like how we would say like countryman or a all so not my little sweetheart. It's more like a year. My fellow american. You'd be exactly but if you're both glenallen so as a fellow guatemalan welcome my shopping. Yes chaplain and then chaplain a- if you're female shot at sure sure and Let's start with the kind of your interest in guatemala if we could so. How exactly did you choose. Guatemala for your company and Tell us a little bit about the sustainability issue. That's that's been a key factor in Getting you on our show for sure. Yes sure My partner night routes and connection to guatemala. Run a deeply. My partner's parents were born in guatemala. And they came here about forty ish years ago and so he grew up spending his summers back in ramallah with his family has mom would take his brother back there and they would spend time on the coffee farm that her father had started back in the forties or so thirties forties and so his mom groper on coffee and he grew up around coffee and around the the people in the communities who lived in and worked on the farm and so as he did that he was friends with all these children and they would play together and growing up. He had an understanding that The kids in the community and the families struggled and he and his mom would You know look to do what they could every summer when they go down. They will collect clothing from people that they knew and they'd put together like these little packets because they knew all the families of it finally family had a six year old and four year old. They put together that they had gotten for that agent those ages and sizes and and bring them in as gifts when they come down when he was in high school. They established a scholarship fund. Because a having enough money to send a child to school is a big deal in guatemala in the rural areas especially end so they established a scholarship for kids growing up on the farm. And so you kind of you know that was rooted in him and he went on to school and work and fast forward many years and he and i met About almost exactly eleven years ago now and He can had this idea brewing percolating Inside of him and On our second date we were. We were in the old comma hachi sushi restaurant in chicago which anyone from chicago is listening You might remember the upstairs lounge area with red velvet booths and dim lighting and here. We were second date like midnight having sushi and wine and so we started. How about our dreams right. Those deep z. Did no secret dreams. And he said he had always dreamt of starting a coffee company where he would feed children for each by of coffee that was sold and he feed kids in guatemala because guatemala as you mentioned They have one of the highest rates of chronic childhood malnutrition in the world in the rural areas. Where coffee is grown. Where some of the best coffee in the world is grown. Three out of every. Four children are chronically malnourished. Meaning they don't get the nutrition. They need to grow physically to develop intellectually. You know just to reach their full potential And it's there aren't words for that. No no in in the income disparity. We had a guest on last season for listeners. May remember who had talked about visiting the farms in guatemala and He was being served some coffee and the gentlemen got out some ness cafe and He said well don't understand. You grow some of the best coffee here in the world. And i'm getting nascar not that i'm complaining. But he said well we can't afford it. We can't afford to buy their own coffee. And and with your piece of the puzzle at tells you kind of a lot about the economy. What's going on in that sort of thing so your interest in guatemala. Obviously with your partner but then obviously you have. You been there have you. Have you seen this firsthand. And and what. What's your company doing to help with this situation in terms of the malnutrition etc. Yes yep so. I've been to guatamala A number of times and actually had been there before. I even met my husband So that was an interesting little connection there too and yes Have have seen this firsthand. It's it's it's riveting and again like i said there there are no words and certainly one of our initial missions is is to create awareness. Because something i believe is that in can't create change until people actually even know what's happening and guatemala's practically our neighbor In a lot of people wouldn't even be able to find on a map just because we don't we don't learn that stuff Our country but for those who aren't familiar we have you know america texas mexico. Guatemala was the very next country. They're practically our neighbor and to become aware that this type of situation is occurring with people so close to us. I think is important and so with our coffee and with our mission we want to raise that awareness because once people know about these issues. I think it's much harder to to not want to do something whether that's you know donating directly whether that's going down there when it's safe to travel in serving Whether it's just being mindful with the choices that we make in every aspect of our lives realizing that we are all so connected. And i think the circumstances of the past year with pandemic if nothing else have brought that fact to the surface we've always been so connected but now you really see it you know we really see how connected the whole world is. I exactly and why it's important to pay a little bit more for great coffee. i yes. people don't understand. Hopefully they will through through this podcast and the means but going to the grocery store and buying a bag isn't necessarily helping to feed the children of coffee growers or the coffee growers. So it's important to pay more and you know that's part of our mission is to let people know of it. If you want good coffee you have to pay more. But that also goes to feed and house the farmers and their children exactly exactly and if you stop to think about it and again this is just an awareness. Thing but you know think about visualizing how many beans you grind in the morning to make that cup of coffee and then go backwards and say okay. Each of these beans is a seed from coffee. Cherry and each coffee cherry. While i should say to beans because it's halves. Each coffee cherry had to be picked guatemalan and in the case of our coffee and specialty coffee in general it's picked by hand and sorted and identified. They've don't pick the coffee cherries until they are the correct ripeness and bush doesn't just have all of its cherries become right but at the same time. So you have human beings working this labor of love and devotion to bring this single cup of coffee to us in the morning and when you think about how much effort has gone into that. And i just mentioned the picking. I didn't mention the rest of the processing and the deep hole in the packaging and all of that p. Think about that you know paying whatever it fifteen eighteen dollars for a twelve ounce bag of coffee is nothing when you think about what went into it. We had a person on couple of days ago. Who a broke down the math and davos but by paying that much and that amount for a bag of coffee beans when you make a twenty ounce cup of coffee. You're only spending dollar something per day on your coffee. So it makes sense and i think people need to hear that yes. I love that i love. I'm going to have to go back and find that podcast. 'cause i i love i love that a and it's just something that again we don't think about it unless someone pointed out and so I love that you are bringing it to the forefront and talking with people who can break it down like that because the more you know the better you can do. Oh isn't that the truth and the more which we've we've tried we've been on a mission for the last few years to educate people about coffee and the education about coffee is fundamentally based in where it comes from so we you kinda work backwards from boys in that delicious to how did that get into my home and into my cup and kind of where we're at so i'm wondering if you could tell us about your level coffee. When did you first start drinking. And did you partner have a pact on your tastes or or how did that work out for you. Yes so yes. And yes. And yes my history. Coffee is pretty funny. Because i was always fascinated by it. My parents are huge coffee drinkers. And i remember as a kid. Learning is asked my dad. 'cause my dad would make my breakfast Before he went to work as a teacher and i would ask them to try his coffee. And it's no you can't you can't have caught your growth growth exactly and now my parents. My dad was five six at on a good day. Mom five five. I made it all the way up to five three. And and so i'm looking at my. Okay well. I don't grow so i listened because as very obedient child i guess i still am and but my very first cup of coffee. My my dad bent the rules a little bit. So my dad is a mentioned was a teacher and he taught Fine arts and theater and set construction adult school In our community and every year and he taught high school age kids so every year he would take a group of kids to new york city for a theater trip And then that expanded over the years to new york. One london one year toronto. One year we had this. This little Rotation so that one of the first trips was to new york city. And i was thirteen and i got to go. You know that he got to take his daughters and his wife with him. And we read this little diner in midtown manhattan around the corner from we were staying and it was one of our last as a nice begged them. Please order cappuccino. Ra new york city You know these girls but okay And so i and it was nothing like how coffee smells and goodness knows. This was like the early nineties. New york city saw know what kind of they reserving. But it was you know it was sugar s cafe. It was pretty bidder. Pretty shocking to my taste buds. So i was like okay. It'll start my growth. I'm good with that for a while. And then i didn't really pick it up until i met my husband. Well now husband And he introduced munich guatemalan coffee. Oh that is a different ballgame from this cappuccino in the diner in midtown and Some of the first cups of coffee. I had were at his mom's when she was living in florida and and also She had a little place. She stayed in guatemala while. And oh gosh some of my best coffee memories sitting around the breakfast table and she would use the the china that she had gotten from her sister. Shoot use it every day because why not absolutely not and so we would drink delicious guatemalan coffee with her. Special style is to put sweetened. Condensed milk in it. Oh my gosh. A spoonful of that is like such a morning. Treats this pre kits so we can have relaxed mornings back then timetable. Gosh don't you. I on a table for for for someone else's timetable for almost four years. Now but yeah. So so my my preferences in coffee tea definitely trend towards the central american coffees. I really love the the bright and fruity flavors in the coffees. I like a lighter to medium roast or light medium. I don't know that's what i love. I love with bright cup. That kinda like rings in my mouth and we had yours this morning. So i wanna talk with our listeners about that and it was the vena loose evita is at that correct pronunciation lose debut that and We had As we usually do differing opinions my wife was an old barista from the day and So hurt hurt in. i didn't start design old former. Yes yes bad. Choice of words. Bad choice of words is so well. We had a little difference of opinion but her taste. Buds are different than mine. And and i think that's true in most households. So i didn't start drinking. Is our listeners. Know until i was in my forties and and she's been been Doing a french press and all pour overs at cetera for forty years so she's got a better palate than i do but We interestingly both a flavor out of it that was interesting. The package said kind of a a brown sugar and we got at least i did A chicory almost out of it which was fascinating to me because it almost reminded me of new orleans coffee that we'd had but it was definitely has its own character in its own personality in a set it sat well on the back of my tongue and it may have been brown sugar and i may have put too much in the french press but anyway it was delicious and oh good. I'm so glad to get was. It was delightful and the bag that it was addressed in comes from material woven by the guatemalan weaving. Would you like us dressed in. That's good that's a good way to put it because it was when we got it. It was like wow this is this is what i'm talking about. I said if you want coffee and you wanna have somebody over and you want to say not only. Can you have a little java. and it doesn't have to come out of a red. Can you can do something really positive. I'm wondering jennifer. You could tell us a little bit about that bag in that way. It came packaged. Sure sure i love that love that you brought that up So our lucy. That is our signature rose to the guatemalan single origin. And we package it or redress it. I should say i love that. Were in use that linda. That's the we dress. It in a mayan fabric bolsa bolsa spanish for bag and so when we decided to launch the coffee company. We really wanted to not only give back to children which we do through. Our bag equals meals program. So our bags of coffee donate anywhere from one to three meals for each bag sold to children in the coffee growing regions of guatemala and then our signature roast in addition supports women artisans. So we work with a co-op of women artisans just outside of guatemala city and they hand make our bags for us So each mussa a signature roast comes in this hand made mine fabric bag. We have all different colors. And you can you can reuse it in lots of ways. I don't know if you've found a way to reuse yours yet. Different people have said make up bag gift bag. art supply. I think she's gonna tie to a waste to tell you the truth. Use it as a small purse eleven. Yeah yeah we'll even might. My partner uses his His with travel in his briefcase case with him to work and he would be the perfect size for an iphone twelve. I can tell you that they go. I bet it is hadn't thought of that will back when we launched. There was of such iphone so see every day something new and we are looking at your monto rico. Yes and we. I'm wondering if you could tell people who are trying to determine which of your particular coffees. They'd like to order kind of some of characteristics. Because we've had a three year debate about blends versus single origin etcetera etcetera. So i'm wondering if you would kind of give an overview for people who are and we have everybody we have kinda source and we have people who are kind of testing the waters and like to put in Lots of sugar and cream and and we say there is no shame. Drink what you like and like what your drink. So i'm wondering if you give a little overview for sure so you have the list of that and the montego. We also have a cell that they are. they're all single origins from guatemala. From the way to nongoma region which is one of the highest quality coffee growing regions in the world Delicious delicious beans. And here's an example. So those three roasts that. I mentioned selma bay. Lewis davey that and will do rico. It's the same coffee. Bean roasted three different ways. With most beans you you profile roast. Which is the process of roasting at different ways to figure out what brings out the best tastes in the coffee bean And usually you kinda hit upon one roast level. That kind of is the optimum speed is amazing we roast it too dark roast for the monthly. Go so that's going to be darker more Chocolatey and bold than the list via the list. Av is a medium dark roast of the same bean and then ourselves is a medium roast. That's actually my favorite coffee of all of the ones that we have sandwich. And i. i like central american lighter roasts. Go ahead now. we're kind of mind blown here Because i don't know that we've ever had a roster tell us that they are using different roasting techniques on the same being. Because there's also a little controversy about you know roasting the being the way it wants to be roasted right. It has to have its flavor komo. So what you're saying. Is we have kind of a jack of all trade being that we can set that profile differently for and get different flavors out of a completely. Yeah yeah and it's just such a beautiful being. Actually i really want to send you the selva van out so that you can kind of taste the all side by side Because it's it's just fun. And so those that's just our guatemalan single origins. We have also single origins from colombia brazil honduras. Costa rica sumatra kenya tanzania. And then we have. I think those are majority of the single origins and you mentioned single origin versus blends. We have some blends too because you know some people like that sort of combination of tastes. Some people are more of a single origin. Or just i guess. I should back up and say that coffee. I like to think of it in some ways like wine. Where the coffee bean. Yeah it it. Yeah you both know this for the listeners. Near the coffee bean takes on the tastes of the land that it's cultivated The atmosphere that the climate. And i just love that because i'm like really into all things earthy and travel air kind of all goes together. I also happen to love line so whether you like single origins or blends may not have so much to do with single origin versus blended Have to do with what terroir own. Combination know appeals to people like you said drink what you love and you drink goods. There's no judgment we we. We were drinking years this morning. And we were Going through the flavor notes and the the cupping and so forth and just trying to get the the sense of it and It was it was so interesting because we both said you know this is one. We drink every day every single day. It was not it was not And i don't want you to take offence. at this it was a very neutral As far as the roasting it was really balanced. I guess is probably the other way to put it. It was no acidity to it whatsoever. It was very easy to drink black. Actually well i yeah. I would suggest that when people order from Shebeen coffee drink a cup black. I if you'd like to dress it up. Try it. Try to black it was. It was delightful. I love that recommendation. Because i obviously agree. I drink my coffee black anyways. 'cause i like to really get into those tastes but then once you do drink it black then you can really decide like oh. Do i want cream. Lot almond milk Cinnamon honey yes. Exactly different options. I'm wondering if you could share with us. A little bit jennifer. Your is as far as the way you and your partner kind of got together. Do you have a meeting story. You could share with us. I don't know if i can share it. no authentic. No no no. Yes so we gosh i just i. I don't know every time i think about it. i just get Get so grateful because it's one of those things where it just feels like such destiny. Sanso sappy but i believe it so he and i met because of mutual friends. We happen to go to the same graduate school in chicago and we were actually there at the same time. He was a year ahead of me and my best friend ended up cross country. His best friend Like a couple years after school. So i didn't know his friend in school. I didn't know him and he didn't know my friend. You know those just. Our mutual friends were the point of connection and My friend lives in. New york has been lived in la. They happen to be in chicago for a weekend for my friend's birthday and I had never met this guy. She was dating. And so she's i'll come come out and he's gonna take us to dinner for my birthday and So i came out but it ended up. He had invited his good friend. My now husband to come out and did not end up being the birthday dinner that she was hoping for It ended up being some time in a great great chicago plays fireplace in and then we went on to go bowling and this guy my now husband he was just so fun fun loving and i didn't even really know that much about him. After the first night we didn't have each other's numbers. Nothing but just somehow we found each other again. And you know the so. I don't count that as the first the first date. He took me to an amazing concert of a friend of his who plays the instrument called the hyper accordion artists from new orleans. I mean like talk about like whoa okay. Set the bar high And then of course. We already talked about the second date of sushi restaurant but that was all like almost exactly eleven years ago and then he shared the idea with me and i i remember like you guys went deep on the second date. I'm i'm a you know it's like oh by the way my life goal is to to change what's going on in guatemala. How about that. I remember like throwing the hands down on the table leaning in and like you have to do that. Little did i know how much i would be involved in that statement but yes so that was twenty ten you know about two and a half years later kind of equally. He kind of set up the operational and finance side of things. And i figured out the branding and marketing and sales and Then in january of two thousand fourteen so almost exactly. What's that seven years ago. I remember because it had just not in chicago and the roads were crazy. And i got rented this tiny little zipcar and i had a backseat full of two ounce samples that we had packed his apartment and i drove around the city to all these specialty grocers walked in introduced myself and asked if they would want to have a new coffee. Nothing says upscale sales like zipcar right. It was this little tiny red zipcar and i distinctly remember on the south side of chicago like almost getting stuck on a side street because some areas get plowed better than others and Yeah but from minnesota. So i was able to navigate the snow. So yeah those two thousand fourteen and then here. We are seven years later. We're still around. And that's kind of a big deal for a startup. that's that's awesome. Well our motto is. Everybody has a story to tell. We feel like we know a little bit about you. But is there a story that you can tell that would let us and our listeners. Normal more about you. So i have been agonizing over this ever since you told me this is going to be a question and when we got on the line today i still had no idea what it was going to say but in this moment what's coming through is my grandfather. He was a world war two veteran and after he got back from the war he Took over his father's moving and transfer business up in saint cloud minnesota and he built that up to be like a pretty big business. Fast forward out however many years sixty some on his sixty sixth birthday i was born and even though he passed away when i was seven of cancer I still felt really connected. And come to learn 'em sort of realized later in a growing up i'd always heard about when he was in guatemala. Okay you know how when you're little you kind of think that everyone's family is like yours. Like he also had a sister who was a nun so i thought everyone had a great aunt. Do yeah somewhere okay. Because i do have an aunt that it must be like a mid western so but never meant that much or didn't think much of that right. I have like a woven bag as a kid that that sent. Guatemala quetzal satellite which is their national bird. And i just remember it and always being like a background presence for me. Well as it turns out In the seventies my grandfather had retired from the day to day of his possessing was a volunteer for the score. The service corps of retired entrepreneurs are familiar with. Yeah and he traveled internationally with my grandma and my uncle My mom was already out of the house but her younger brother was quite a bit younger. So and that's important for later detail so part of the time he spent in guatemala with family who was setting up a moving and transfer company and mentoring them helping them set up their business. And that was what these Score volunteers do as they worked with. Small business owners to help to mentor them so they had lived in guatemala for a little bit. Well then we started shipping coffee and it all kinda came flooding back and a few months after we started the coffee company. My now husband. And i we. We actually got married in guatemala. Because that's where the majority of his family as we wanted them to be able to be there and my uncle came to the wedding of course and he went online and looked up and found this family that his father my grandfather had worked with like what forty something years earlier forty five years earlier and he. He was able to reunite with them. They came out to where the wedding was and we had coffee of course and it was an incredible. They're now they're the owners of the fifth largest company in guatemala and just the connection like we were talking about earlier the connection between people places and this whole world and its lake i take these moments and connections to be little sparks of confirmation. That i'm on the right track. We'll sound The ass so so. I guess grandpa grandma julie is let con. His name is julius grandpa. Julia wanted to be part of this today. And then he is now is part of the record here as well and i'm sure that was probably a little bit of culture shock from the minnesotans in guadeloupe. Guatemala wasn't it. Yeah well we had. We had people from all over the world. Come down there for that that weekend. Celebrate with us and it was wonderful and my uncle. It hadn't been there since he was like eleven so was fun for him and my parents had never been before my sister and all of our friends was most of our friends first time except for some of my friends because again like this is just another little little thread in in the we've but I had mentioned that. I've been to the mall before. Has i had actually led a student trip down there when we were in school Some best friends and and so some of those very same people were at the wedding and At just kind of another one of those moments of sparks. I remember we were. We were staying out in the jungle during this trip. And i remember looking at through this Thatched roof one night and looking at the moon and having this strange feeling like an inexplicable that this place would be really a big part of my life and this is long before you met your husband this. Yeah like three. And a half years before i met him interesting. It made no sense whatsoever as in the midst of school. I was going to be going on until they got more traditional. You know corporate job and everything was all lined up in a different direction and yet that feeling was there and i just kinda paused and looked at the moon and thought Okay the mon changes fabulous story in in you answered. Was there a time in your life where you could have turned rider left in. This was definitely the time. Yeah yup. I've made a lot of those along the way and so my life looks more like a spiral but it's over and over and over. What the universe teaches me. And i think everyone else like sorry yet. Okay that's what you want but It's not time yet or this. Isn't the path. So keep on that spiral girl. When i hear stories i already have the book and screenplay in mind let see. I don't know who we're going to get to play you anyway allen. Linda has characters all set up for most of the people that we've talked to over the years so Well we have. We have the section hub literary lot and that would mean you offering up. Your favorite book was nothing goes better than music and books with coffee right. Ooh while i'm sitting neck actually. I'm sitting in my bedroom next to a coffee. That has one two three four six seven eight nine ten books stacked on it. My nightstand has another three or four I love books and right now this season of my life. I don't get to read them that often. But i will say to to continue on this team. I hope my gosh. I don't have a favorite book a book that has really helped me in those moments. And i think really catapulted me towards this Mindset of being open to the opportunities in allowing them to come in is the alchemist. He's still my heart right linda. Linda got me to read that many many years ago after she'd read it a couple of times and i said while you read it more than once so see what this has got to offer and boy. Have we recommend that book to people over time. What is it that kind of sings to you out of that. That book jennifer. There's so many wonderful bits in there. And when i first read it. It was assigned to me by a business school professor. Believe it or not i don. That's bizarre no. This man is an expert on leadership and he had a whole class. That was called business. Strategy you know real in business school students into taking it but it was really all about yourself as a leader and as the ceo of your own life and strategist for your life and I think the part in the alchemist. The the message that really continues to resonate for me is of san. Yes when you feel that that much not spending your life you know stuck polishing the glass because you think that's where you should be. Also i guess having gratitude for your time polishing the glass. Because that's where you need to be when you were there. But just really trusting trusting in the journey and in the interconnectedness of all things and people and and something that maybe was born out of my reading of. This book is a belief that we were all brought here with unique gifts and if we could just identify what those are and offer those there would be no need to compete with each other. Because we're like this beautiful mosaic of humankind and we get stuck trying to live the life that is for someone else than that's where all the heartache and struggle comes in but when we really admit what our gift is we can impact and benefit the lives of so many people just by being who we are and will be supported in that and and the phrase polishing glass. i thought Not just polishing the glass polishing the trophies We stay if we stay in that mode. We never expand. And you're right. it's all the the sprocket s- you know. We use the term sprocket in a bad way. Like we're in the midst of a machine but it's It's a kind of a interconnected machine that makes a huge difference in absolutely right people. Finding themselves is in a kind of a buzzword. It's like i've gotta find myself will find yourself as also finding people at around you that need you and it. And that's what. I thought about the alchemist when when i read it it was just exactly that. It opened up a lot of a lot of thought processes. It's a very Discussable book that's for sure. Absolutely yes or not say. You told me before i can ask questions of us. That brings up a question here. Which is you know as you all stepped into the role that you have which is clearly bringing so much joy and and an exploration and information to the world through your podcast. Did you have an alchemist. Sort of moment. Remiss came about we were looking for the best independent coffee shops and of course got sample. Many delicious coffees along the way. But we didn't know is what we what we didn't of what we didn't know know exactly right and now now. We know that by us supporting each individual coffee shop. We were supporting the farmers. And that's something that i would say. We didn't start out altruistic. No didn't because we didn't know and now do in and saw a mission. I love that not everything starts out so noble. But that's the whole point. You were just following what you felt and there were there. It was it on. Volts has the the pandemic affected your business or or has jennifer so yes it has an where eternally grateful that we're still here Prior to the pandemic our main focus was partnerships with like minded Socially conscious businesses. So we would supply coffee for offices coffee shops and offices where the majority of our business we we also had a small web store where you could buy directly from us. But that wasn't a huge focus and then the pandemic kit and our office partners had to close and our coffee shop partners had most of them close and then reopen on a very limited basis so the majority of our business just went on pause and my iheart sank of course and my attitude toward it. We'll look were all a community and you know. How can i best serve my community partners through this. And so i proactively reached out to everyone and said you know we're just going to pause you for now and just let me know how you're doing. Let me know need you know we can do for you. Were we're here for you. And i really believe that that has helped us grow relationships through this It also gives us an opportunity to shift our focus to our web store. Which is something. I'd always been very passionate about and this is interesting because again going back to our discussion of the following that feeling i have had a passion for consumer products for a long time. It's what i went back to graduate school to study. It's what i worked in right after school and branding and consumer engagement and the consumer experience is something that i've been really passionate about so here i am during the pandemic with the folks on that. And so that's what we've done We've put like all of our focus into our web store and we offer monthly subscriptions now because We offered them before. But we're really focused on promoting that because now you have people who are in their homes sure we are like all the time and so how great if you use to getting your awesome coffee from You know from your work or being able to go out to a coffee shop and get it which is still one hundred percent support because our partners need to But if for whatever reason your supply of coffee of great coffee has dried up. We're here for you. We shipped throughout the united states and we have multiple options. We really believe like we talked about before everyone has their own. Unique tastes so are subscription boxes are completely customizable. And i personally customized them for you so you tell me what you like and i pick the coffees for each individual subscription box. Every single month and i. It's fun because i get to know these people in a lot of the people. I already knew because friends and family are are on board from early on but now we have people who don't know Personally and then getting to know them and they say like oh we ask or you know so. I tried to send something similar. What a great idea for like a birthday or You know christmas. Or or Special holiday or something that you would be able to Share an individualized coffee profile flavor palette for somebody who enjoys coffee and as long as were were on the online component of your store. I'm wondering charrier website and If you've got any discount codes for the world's listeners. Yes and we also have single bags of coffee for sale on our website so you can do monthly subscription. You can start with a couple of bikes coffee to try it out And if you have any questions you can always reach out to us that can help you. But our website is. Www dot chapman c. h. a. p. i n. coffee dot com and for anyone listening today We're offering a special discount for a cross country. Coffee roadshow listeners. Which is road show fifteen. That's fifteen percent off. All the coffees in our webster. Excellent and as part of this on the website can our listeners of find your A curated list where people can kind of get the recommendations that you were talking about his or anything. Tricky to after due to get there and very excited working on website two point. oh As we speak so the the website. That's there now. Is the one that i built back when we started. It's very simple in the way that you would learn about roasts just through searching through our coffee tasting notes. Got some pairings contact. You'll with purpose. Japan coffee dot com. That comes to me So if you ever have questions about tastes. I'm always here happy to answer great and that's fuel fu e l w it h purpose. You are. that's that's we mentioned the the the books but we didn't get the my segment Which is the music we have our guest. Give us their favorite playlists. And then they try to pair their coffee if they will with With some of their favourite tune. So i'm wondering if you have some artist's songs or groups that you could share with us and how we would with your coffee sarah. Well actually we have a coffee. That was created in collaboration with a dear friend and musical artist of mine. Name david newman. It's a blend called. Love is awake and it is named after one of his albums called. Love is awake if you go on. A website under the love is awake coffee. They're more details about it so you could find him there. His music is spirited uplifting He combines ancient mantras with a modern lyrics and he's just a beautiful human so I think the vibes from that music and the coffee together can't be beat. Well that's a full day right there you've got the you've got the music and the coffee combined Any other artists that you could share with us. I have to be honest these days. One of my favorite musicians is rafi again. He is incredible and He makes my days and the days of my children brighter. And i i was a little kid when he started in the eighties. And there's a an album of his. I think it's called songs from around the world. And i would actually go ahead impair that i played every morning at breakfast. Every child is the first one. Every child is a child of the universe. I mean how beautiful so you're not alone. My co-host here is a big rocky. We done yes. Check it out. Check out the songs of the world. It has a picture of beaded moccasins on the cover. I think it's about two thousand and eight but it's beautiful. It's so beautiful. Well jennifer from chopping coffee. This has been absolutely our pleasure. Just thank you so much for spending some time with us here today on the road show and i want everybody to Start looking at their Their individual palettes. 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Bartending for Cocaine Dealers (with Matt Dooyema)

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Bartending for Cocaine Dealers (with Matt Dooyema)

"You're listening to America. Well field served free. Where Bone Avenue shows liberty? The Justice Hank took a It's still too free America mother fucker. Who Low hello? Hello Filter Free America listeners. Welcome back once again to the filter free America. podcast I am so happy. You are here because if you weren't here this would be really ridiculous. Me Recording these things on a on a near near weekly basis and putting them out there for absolutely nobody that would be a tremendous waste of time so consider yourself the key component of the filter free America. podcast cast you the listener all right. Let's talk about this episode. The guest is a comedian in one of the hosts of the awful service. podcast Matt Dima Matt Matt Damon. That's Spelled D. O. Y. M. A.. If you're not familiar with the awful service podcasts you should check it out as a great podcast. Where He he and his Co host and guests Talk about mostly jobs and experiences related to the service industry and there's all kinds of greed episodes out there Do not available label on pod being I tunes SPOTIFY and they're getting they're becoming available on more and more outlets are all the time so so Definitely searched for the awful service. PODCASTS find him on on facebook as a way to get in contact with them and find out what they're doing. Really good podcasts. You should check out if you're looking for another one to listen to Anyway the service industry is kind of what we're talking about in this episode specifically specifically his time working as a bartender now he has worked as a bartender multiple places. We focus on one specific bartending job. He had where he he was. Slinging drinks at underground parties. 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That's available if it's just a thumbs up or clicking on a little heart or whatever it is Do that for me. Especially if you're on I tunes if you're on I tunes. Please take the time to Go to itunes or apple podcasts. Whichever form that you're using and lead the five star review and a couple of words instead? Let people know that you're enjoying the podcast that is super helpful To us here and we definitely appreciate it all right now. Let's kick off this episode of the PODCAST and we're GONNA call this one bartending attending for cocaine dealers with Matt Duma like that. I like that. That sounds perfect. That's exactly what the episodes about all right so here. We go bartending for cocaine dealers with Matt Damon right here on the filter free. Yeah America podcast let go So long as we've got some time to kill I think I'll have a beer. We'll have no beer. Just Akilah. witless Tequila is like beer. Take a bartender things. UNCURLING customer Polish people notice so it was this this yourself and killer in reading and while you wait story take me back to two thousand six and you you were working as this kind of underground bartender thing yet to talk about the bartending job. I explained to the listeners. What you were doing and how you were doing it well willing to put it in context? I was always worked in the service industry my whole life so I always had a fascination with alcohol. I'm very and I. I was learning how to make drinks. Thanks could actually was a bar an actual bartender as well but the place that closed down early and I wasn't getting a lot of bartending justice mercy waiting tables but I learned a lot of tricks on how to like make good tasting cocktails and everything like that So I got this reputation around singlet state Where I would show up at House parties and bartend for them and when I would do is mainly make jungle juice find a good way to like get people fucked up for cheap but also have a taste good like people knew what? If I was making the drinks it was gonNA taste good and for me. I knew how to do it so I could make money off of this so what I would do. Is I would go to these parties. I would go to the liquor store and I would find the cheapest deepest clear alcohol I could find be at rum ever clear not as often but more like rum and vodka especially I wouldn't use Jin because the pine needles needles but you know what is the absolute cheapest clerical isn't isn't it ever clear as I know only the absolute cheapest these at the time of vodka or something No vodka cigarette. Yes filtered once. It actually sat on. The bottle proudly barely filtered once surprise whether it was five dollars a handle back in two thousand and six maybe six is between five and six bucks depending if you bought it but I mine when the yellow more than clear clear though it was clear it was clear but mainly tasted like rubbing alcohol notion. Yeah I actually. I think it may have been classified as vodka flavored alcohol which is a real thing by the way is if you buy a very cheap bottle of alcohol look at it and sometimes it will say if it's a really cheap like if it's phillips or a cheaper level of of liquor sometimes that will actually say flavored alcohol. No Shit if you buy a bottle well A good example is Durango. Tequila is not really Tequila. It is to Keila flavored alcohol because it is actually cheaper for them to put the flavoring into it. It and just use a grain alcohol. Yes it's not real. It's not real Tequila all the fuck. You just broke a major fucking scandalous. Yeah thing in the jets. It's a Bart as a bartender. I I used to have to make no fucking clue. Yeah I used to have to make a long island. Mix Place that I worked at and we use silver wolf and on the bottle so on the bottles the Silver Wolf it was Jin Vodka and rum said Jin flavored alcohol rum flavored alcohol vodka flavored alcohol and bartenders do blind taste tests. And you couldn't taste the difference at all just tasted like hairspray only. Yeah so it takes a certain art to know how to take that cheap shit and make it taste good especially the I mean when I say good I say relatively good us as as adults now we get that fucking crap out of the year but when you're twenty twenty one twenty two if you can make cheap booze taste good. You're you're very useful and that's my first. Alcohol was mad dog twenty twenty. That tells you anything so. Yeah that's that's a whole other beast. That was you ride that night. Train over to Arbor mist. Okay Oh God that stuff is all heinous. Best about remissed was putting it in the freezer. I'm going to get cold anyway when you bring it out of the freezer and pop thing and it turns into slush instantly. Oh Yeah oh I know I used to use arbor mist as a mixer. Can with that fucking not not for that. But it's it's I did it for a party. Wants where they for some reason they had a bunch of Arbor mist. And I'm like we're making punch fuck. I put a bunch of Buchan that cheap vodka flavored alcohol Ann Arbor Mist and my mind is still blown to a fucking clue. That was a real thing Is that make it more unhealthy healthy for you. Did you drink in like a I think well alcohol is the thing about alcoholism i. It's just the same way no matter what okay so it's not like it's a ls all. It's all really is all alcohol is really going to do is a better quality alcohol. That means it's probably been purified more. You're not gonNA have like some of the other stuff with it but in terms of like the other way your body just as all the same God. Yeah Yeah so we would make I've known for doing this. Well I I would show showbiz parties. I would have this. I would go psycho by crates of this. Because you've got a friend of it They would take fifteen twenty some liquor stores through thirty percent off. It's already six bucks a handle retail for so I'm getting like these like four or five dollars a bottle and and that's One seven five you you know most drinks had about the way I would make drinks as I do about a half. Maybe two ounces of of that so you think so. You're paying pennies on the dollar. Because I would charge to an on. People thought they were getting a good deal because church two bucks a pop for some of these like slushy drinks. That'd make with that. Some cheap ass Margarita. Mix about seventy five percent return on investment. I WANNA leave pending some nights. It was closer to ninety. Oh because the mixer I was buying for it to that summer I would buy crates the mixer. The mixer would be cheaper because I buying crates the that they were selling they had it on sale all summer. Six bucks a bottle for this stuff to and it was about a man I want to say about a leader of. It's like a Margarita. Mix so by a case of the Green Margarita. Mix The lime and a case of the Strawberry Margarita Mix I would then Each bought what they don't unrealized each bottle. Also had a rebate coupon on it and they didn't have a limit on the rebates. I won't So this company was literally I think I was paying. You may be a dollar. Fifty a bottle after rebates and the discounts. I got for buying it in that. So dollar fifty per bottle that and I would use a couple of the mix is in there and then I I would go buy the cheapest gin and I'd always ginger ale that people use lemon lime soda. No use Ginger Ale. Ginger Ale covers a lot of sins. Real yeah and I was more potent flavor ever than it is okay yeah and like especially generic derails lot is like as a bunch of sugar in it okay. That's really a bunch of olive onto college. Kids want something secret ingredient is that Nah the secret ingredient was doing that. Yes Roger and then sometimes I you know every once again throw some other odds and ends of Shit and stuff but they make slushy drinks with this and then I'm charging two bucks and I think They would cost me about thirty five to forty five cents a pop so I'm making money hand over fist at these parties. Need I do it around town and people knew I was making a profit. aww It note was with Sir by knows. This is all underground. Shit you're doing. I was licensed to Cell and I was selling the miners on because I'm in college. I'm unscrupulous needed scraping by. I need to pay rent I need to go. I WANNA party myself and do other shit so I I'm like fuck it. Yeah why not. And here's here's another fun tip Underage and young college kids don't know the difference between booze so I would go buy a a of bottle Jim beam and then I would empty the Jim beam at my house until like water bottles and then fill it with early times bourbon. which was about ten dollars? Cheaper a bottle. I do the same thing with Jack Daniels Evan Williams. I do the same thing where I would filter that cheap cheap shit by those. I can't believe I got away with that. I I would filter it through a water filter. I learned on mythbusters which came out before. I don't think it was on mythbusters yet. But they did actually prove that as a real thing and I it was like I think at the time it was something you could find on college. Humor DOT COM or E. bombs world or. Some shit was talking about it and it did. It did help the flavor so I'd run that through and then I'd pour that shit into a bottle of sky I would pour and then I would have. I would have a bunch of these pho- booze things but I would charge five dollars. A shot ought right for like this fake ass booze but they people wanNA believe they want to believe it or how often 'cause I've worked at a Mexican restaurant. It was like an independent kind of mixed restaurant and they did that. Oh yeah the regular bottles they just fill it up with generic and no one ever said anything with those spots. They'll do that. They'll they'll they'll do it as a way to. I mean it's it's a little more unscrupulous. When you're a fucking business owner doing it and that you can get in a lot of trouble for But if you you think about it even if you just did like a fifty fifty mix diluted down a little bit the average I unless you get a real fucking SNOB. And they're not GonNa no that's bold though. Let's think about it. Because like Tequila specially has a lot of aficionados. You know these people who are like oh no I I only drink don. Julio and I know that this isn't quite this this doesn't taste right and actually I worked. I know people who've worked at places. Like Oh really and then they go get the real bottle a don. Julio and they pour another one forum for him not the fake the phone down and then sure and then the guy who owned no this one tastes better like oh maybe someone spilled something in your drink and all. We're so sorry glasses acid hundred percents. Oh dirty glass gets used a lot right. So I'm I'm twenty two years old. I'm working a regular job where I'm still making money in tips and then I'm also driving after work over these house parties. I started doing it. And these guys I START II. These guys who started seeing I. I'd help them. Give them a recipe for a walk or a jungle juice or whatever you WANNA call it. And they're like hey. Hey do you want US helps. Run A wop twice a week and I'm like fuck. Yeah money baby like that's all I'm thinking right. Is that a Minnesota term. I've never heard that LOB. Yeah I mean I know it is as the racial term for talion. But we're we're we. They wanted me to run an Italian man out of town is his name was Dago. God that is the that's an old puck and rate that's the classic classic. That's old squad. Irish allowed sort of thing. You know what I mean Dan. That's hurtful anymore. Laugh at it. They're like the day go without passport. Yes but No it's just called the walk because it packed a Wop uh-huh okay There's also like you know it's colloquially known as jungle juice some spot Sir John Leguizamo called in southern Missouri was everywhere kind of has its own colloquial term for it but it's basically just a lot of clear booze usually ever clear or vodka and then you mix it with whatever juice and fruit you can get for dirt cheap yoursel. You'd be bigger than a big fucking trash can. Because that's you know we're smart. Yeah but we would make it in trash cans ends and we and then we would sell that for F- It was five bucks for all you could drink and if you wanNA think and but they wouldn't make that we would make that much and so we're we're doing this party and then I like well I'll bring my bar set up and I had a whole thing. I two blenders. I had a power strip. I had a guy. Hi who is actually like a DJ who would play music for me. And he was he would honestly just do it for like twenty bucks and Free Booze for the night to sound like sold old. Just wanted to party and fuck and I'm like I'm GONNA make some fucking cash off these kids I would. I would make stacks of money like legitimately at some of these parties. Hardy's I would walk out with four or five hundred selling you earlier. The most I walked out with one night was a thousand dollars after after all after process of alcohol hundred percent like I would sometimes sell out of all of the booze I had and I would bring a lot but in the kids are tipping to throwing. They're throwing you know they're not tipping a lot because they're a college kids but they'd still if you bucks and then I I would use that to like. Sometimes I'd use that to like grease the palms of like cute chicks two guys to come over and or I get most of the time my just give free alcohol like alcohol especially at that time I was like it was very powerful. They go oh you'll give me free drinks if I- cute by the bar and try to get guys to buy me drinks. Yeah Yeah I will not give you the free booze when they're here but after they leave ya I'll give you a free drink totally. And they'd there'd be they they got got to know me as the bartender. Azmat the bartender. So this House that was colloquially largely locally known as the blueberry to blueberry and and then it got painted so they turn it into the Roxbury because I don't know they really like that SNL Sketch They're like hey why don't you come and help us run the swamp and then linked bartend for US cool I'm like I'm just thinking. Hey this'll be fun. I'll make some more money any whatever and it was the these POWs parties were massive and this is back like it was almost like the old school like just people piling out of the House. There's music blaring. There's fucking black lights and lasers lights and lava lamps because it was the two thousands and we didn't know we were but it was. It was like that so and I got this. Dj Who's playing music in the background. And I'm fucking mixing drinks and everything's fine. But I always felt something kinda different was going on but even by different. Well what was your first sign. What was with what seemed I? This is probably my second or third night. I'd been doing it. This is so this is a early June. I'd started there in started working there in like May and in early June This guy comes up to me and offers me a bump of cocaine and granted. That's not not all that uncommon at a college party sounds kind of friendly. Yeah but I I to this day and I I swear hand hand to God. I don't believe in God but hand to whatever whatever Richard Dawkins on. I've never done cocaine in my life. I'm been very scared of it My three comedy. Idols all died Including Chris Farley who died on my birthday really fourteenth birthday because he was doing speed balls and so that's where for Shit really goes wrong right. I knew in my heart. I already had alcohol problem and I had an addictive personality these so I'm just like you know let's not let's not push that fucking thing and I know I would love it i. That's the problem I look back and I love energy drinks. I Love Caffeine. So I've never heard anybody told me they didn't like cocaine. I'm sure that no and that's the thing and I knew that I also had some friends who have problems with it so in my mind and I nod dude. But I'm like that guy the way he was so he was very cavalier about it like whereas in the past. When I've been offered coke it was always the whole of the side? Oh he was just out there in the open line here you go. He was at the so we we had A. We had a bar in this house. It was a mini bar area. Like it wasn't an actual bar but we turned it into a bar like a tall table and so we turn it so people couldn't go behind the bar to fucking try to steal my booze and should I actually had people at that. Party was so big we had security really. Yeah his. We'll see guys who lived in the house but they had to go under security shifts to help me and and then what I later found out was going on in that house and again another reminder. It's it's not illegal deal. Here is just a house party type situation not is just a house party ah on the surface of it. Just a bunch of kids getting drunk. But here's our parties that we go to like three four in the morning and people would still still like look where we after partying chases and again. I'm just thinking You know they're just they got a and I had a high tolerance for just being able to stay up late and drink and party in on fucking young and invincible. But I always thought that McMahon. That's Kinda weird. They're not passing out. But I never thought on anything being artificially stimulated kind of weird way I had no idea so I'm so this guy like I said and I I hear dumb I was. I tried to have our security guy kick them out and the security guy. You're fucking with no he's like Oh okay okay. And he and he thought he didn't realize what it was that I wanted to kick for where he thought the guy was trying to steal from me. Oh good and I and later. He's like yeah that that asshole and again I I didn't realize it. And he goes. Yeah so he won't be trying to steal from you again and I'm like but you know what we got the asshole Outta here out here. Whatever and like I remember the guy goes I remember? What's the problem so the cocaine stuff started kind of becoming more regular so I started noticing A? Let's everyone really. He liked smoking. Parliament's what is the it's the F- The filter one that has like the little like there's a little dip in the filter very popular with cocaine users because then they can fill the top of that cigarette it's like it's like literally like like two or three millimeters round. I liked him when I was a smoker. Because I actually just like to chew so you could chew on it. They were originally were Parliaments were originally developed So that like British pilots during World War One ensued could bite onto a cigarette and still keep their hands on on the controls really could smoke. That's part of it as part of the lower of it anyway. I one hundred percent. You might have to wake you that. But that was I liked him because he could chew and but but then are also very popular cocaine users because then you can hide your coke and your cigarette pack and then a lot of people would do as you take a cigarette out. You take a bump and can you smoke your cigarette. Your cigarette has a little bit a little bit of cocaine laced in it. Oh yeah so I notice. A lot of people were smoking. Parliament's I'm noticing a lot. Audited they still sell those like that. They still still still that. That's part of the appeal of those parliament. Parliament Lights P funk's baby funk lights that's what that was my brand when I was a smoker her again. I didn't smoke them for that reason. I did it because I like to chew on things but I know there's a lot of parliament smokers and I all of a sudden you start noticing shit like bloody noses and you start noticing things like again people partying till four in the morning and still being able to party. And that's what I'm like. Okay so these guy that was was. Is there any ever any like dysfunction happening here i-is drugs was there ever overdose situations. Not that I see. Here's the the thing I think they knew to keep that away from me right. I think they're just like this guy is good at what he does with the booze. So he's just going to do his thing and we're going to do hours and I was a grand distractions so that people weren't fucking with them while they were doing business Again this is a college house. College Party mid-2000s. So they needed that distraction and they also need to provide entertainment payment hence the DJ and they needed the drinks to provide entertainment. Were you the only one who wasn't aware like the DJ was he was sure there were people the DJ they didn't know either but the DJ again. He was a buddy of mine. who was there for Pussy? And Friedrich Drinks Okay and he was in there every time either he was there some other times. I would just fucking bring mix CDs and we'd just pump out whatever makes bullshit you know we've made an MP three CD players can play like two hundred CDs. Yeah remember that kids remembered. MP Three CDs CDs. I do so we would or we'd hook up. I think the early early ipod on to like worthy tape. Remember the old CDs where the TRAE would come out and hold five I. I had one of those. I was the show people. I know a three disc the three of nineties technology it was but but this was a they actually had an MP three and then they also had a tape deck that we put an ipod on so they took play into the old fucking stereo system. So again I I had this. I always had a weird feeling but I'm just like I didn't even pay many mine. I'm making money baby right making them fat stacks and you're in your again from the. I'm from a tiny rural type area. I grew up north of brainerd. An talents like mayberry. You know now. It's like mayberry with meth right right or opium your choice Little gummy little actually. It's gotten a lot better. They did have a big math problem for a while though So so to me I never I was never really exposed to like partying up there. Smoking some ditch weed and drinking beers and then in college. It was still like you know you get a you. You might get some weed. Maybe somebody will maybe offer you adderall. which I never took again because I just wasn't my thing? I was never a never into that shit so I'm just like whatever you know home but again I'm not paying attention. I'm I of course at the time I had. I adjust I was I was in the process of breaking up with my ex. which was a whole mess? and A ex-fiancee by the way ex ex. Yeah so I'm trying to make money back from a wedding thing and it was just a it was a bad place. It was not a good it was not a good spot in my life so I'm not really I don't really care at a certain point. You know what was the. What was the final thing? When did you discover what was actually going on? I tell people what what all this cover was for what they were actually doing into what scale so well. I didn't learn the scale until way later. Okay but I I found out that I was entertainment for cocaine front. They were selling blow in the back room in. The basement is in the basement. So as you understand that this whole Party and everything was just really just a cover just a front for that too. And I'm and I again I. I thought that there's maybe someone selling little like eight balls. I'm thinking okay. Well whatever it's just not my thing but people can do what they want. Whatever I'm not GonNa do it then I still didn't and I never have but in my mind I'm just like I justified at like well? They're paying for the booze and the and the people who are running the party in the house where you know they're just whatever they had to pay the cost of business and give them some free drinks. There's always this older guy there too and you and I just thought he was creepy. You know in college there was sometimes the older dudes would just show up because they want young pussy. They want young chicks. You know and with older dude. He's just older held. We'll get most of us are in our early twenty s at the time. Or even there's there's a couple of guys who were like twenty and then the People party. There is people as young as I found out way later like seventeen. Okay I wish I do. I do Kinda feel bad about serving having a seventeen year old alcohol. It's whatever you live you learn. An alcohol wasn't the worst thing they were doing anyway. Clearly what's so. This guy was in his mid thirties. And give me a description of why do white Dude well-to-do well. No no you would not suspect Pale really gone really thin real skinny and tall had this long straggly. Blonde hair the local GAM wealth. or No. Or no you wouldn't you wouldn't have picked it. This guy was actually I think in the long run was actually pretty smart of his appearance because he wasn't trying to. It'd be flashy I. I do know that he drove a nice car. But I'm just thinking you're thirty you know I'm fucking dumb twenty something I'm like. Oh Your your thirties. You can have a nice car or whatever ever and I never paid any mind. I just thought he was the creepy dude at the party. Turns out no he was the guy who was the dealer around. Yeah he was pushing it on the house he and these kids were helping him sell. They were they were helping it. So those guys who are doing security there there they were actually having fun with me out in the bar they were actually doing real security by the other door right was dope was. Yeah so yeah and I and I didn't fuck unknown. They're drinking of course they're drinking. It was never. It was never anything serious or isn't really guns or anything or knives that I could see any way. No one openly carrying weapons but there were times where people were forcibly kicked the fuck out and I mean like kicking and screaming and I again. I was a bartender at the time as well and I'd been I worked in bars ars and restaurants. Of course you know you're just not controlled person you know. They did a little too much drinking. Maybe that'll bump and he's just fucking being an asshole. We need to kick him out now. Maybe there with some other shit going on. I'm not that I'm not. I've never been one hundred percent clear out of of the people who were you assume. We're we're making purchases there. What what was that? Demographic was all young all young people they were selling all too young people. At least that I could see but again I'm stuck behind trying to figure out where they bind for just for a personal user whereas they were they buying bulk to sell it somewhere else and as I found out later there were a couple different levels of purchaser. Okay there there were people who were just there just to buy an eight ball or to buy a few eight balls or whatever. They're here to buy a small amount just to party for the night or unites or whatever but what I found out later is this guy was dealing to dealers and that I found out later Up into an including pounds Jason. Not a lot of pounds. I'm not not saying he was moving. He's not like fucking moving like bricks but there were times where yet they probably were probably probably sold a pound or two in the house while I was there. I fought You said there was a A You told me that there was a costume night there. Yes what happened the constant. I was around Halloween or no. It wasn't it was just a mid. They just decided to can like July costume. Hardy let's go controls up. Okay yeah so. That was the night that I really figured out that there was more to it than just a little bit of blow because so I thought there was people wearing Zombie costumes. No they were bleeding out. There knows right into custody right I just thought I again. Then you realize no. That's real blood and I. That's the night that it really dawned on me. Oh no there's something more going on here but I'm just going like an I'm I'm fucking just. It was so bad and that was one of those parties that it was just off the chain guys and fucking blow up costumes and everything everything else you know like that. Do they charge people to come in the door on. No Okay sloughs. Don't okay but we did have a cap at a certain point like when you couldn't walk up can't can't can't let you in the they had a guy at outside and that guy I found out later was also like himself. The cops come things we did get busted. That's the craziest part heart of everything we got busted but it was the front of a House Party so the cops just thought it's just a bunch of dumb drunk. Kids go home go home take your keys. And they didn't even ask that they're they're drinking. Whatever so when those when that would happen I would I would dip out because I You know I I knew I could. I would literally just walk out with the rest of the crew. That would leave my ships. I know no one would take it known. They knew better than to mess with my stuff. Because I knew I wouldn't come back if they stole my my booze for that was like one of the things like if you fuck with my stuff. I just won't come back and then you won't have anyone to do this. And they're like okay then. That was really the weird part to they. Were very for for for a coke front. They are actually quite respectful of my things was nice. They're they're in for selling the coke. They again I was the entertainment I was just like I was a fucking party clown as far as they were concerned. They didn't care They knew I didn't do it. They knew I didn't do cocaine so I think after that said that one of those first nights where I kicked that guy kicked out in their dislike. Oh this is a fucking yachts over here like he's just say he's just slinging drinks kool while he gives us free booze to do it right as far as I was like basically I was a booze caterer Israeli kind if you really need to put negative perspective but was a core group. I mean there had to be. There is the main do the older dude. He'd in there. Okay did they. Whose place was it was these other? So's the guy the guys who recruited me okay Got Their names kind of escaped me. But they all had like like Phil and Tam like they were just normal. Graying all white guys you know unassuming early white dudes which actually is a really great front. If you're trying to do that so yeah again. They just look like the guys who are like they they go to the park and play football and then go drink beer like they just they look like all American Amer Crombie model sort of mother fuckers. You know what I mean. Unlike the date that they looked like they had money. Do they care any different than he did. One little bit he they were actually a little bit more brazen about the away. They spent cash but I just thought they all driving nicer. Cars go nuts. Not Quite that not to that point. They weren't like at that point would they were doing. They were the guys who would go to the bar like the real. He'll bars like downtown saint cloud and they will drop ship Tana cash on leg and by people rounds they were the guys who we come up to me at the bar at the party would throw money at me and just take bottles of booze. They were guys. We don't wearing really night. They're wearing nice clothes and they're starting were jewelry. Not like the like what early. So we've got to put in context so the two thousand six like what they thought was. You know there weren't a little bling chains shit. I'm just like these are just douche bags. Whatever I'll make I'll take their money any that's all I kept thinking I'll take their money? You know I'm I'm in my own head space volume you know I'm I'm just here to do my own grind. Whatever and I use I use my money to pay bills and taper some of my school like honestly I paid for? I probably paid for textbooks with money that was used to start blow. Wow I mean if you went to a good place right yeah my my higher education. That's why I'm still a bartender. Thirty five so how did this all end. You're only did this for like four four months right yeah Elliot for four months and it would part of it because it was just the summer thing and I'm like I'm I didn't I wasn't taking summer classes or anything and I I needed an extra gig needed some extra money and they were supposed to be one more party before school. lets out her school. That's the school Starts again all of a sudden I get taxed saying like did you hear what happened at the Roxbury and I'm like what now like they got busted and I'm just thinking like again at the time am I wasn't quite sure what the scale was. But somebody had snitched on them. They were her like doing again. That's how I found out they'd done a couple pounds and it had to have happened when I was there. I'm sure they also deals when I wasn't but it was a it was a again. It was kind of a brilliant idea. You throw this House party. It's just a guy at saint cloud state to. That's all those Party college you know. And in the meantime yeah they were. Yeah they and I think that I think if I remember well those guys all got vic dead so that they got from the house Because they were renting of course never ever and And I think they all the guys from the House snitched on the the main guy or I I know he went to prison because he he had like a felony amounts of cocaine. Well Yeah you don't think any amount. Okay yeah but I mean I'm talking like me me. He probably got a federal case like a kilo. It's I mean well actually anything over a few ounces and yet My name stayed out of everything they I I again. I as far as they're gonNa do to you anyway. Ed guys selling drinks. Yeah the where we thought you were. The bad is due to the for a for a for legitimately half of that summer. I thought I was like the guy was the criminal king again. You know I'm going to myself. I'm selling selling booze and fucking make money in doing this. Like a completely unregulated truly I was also committing crimes but the drop in the hands of. Yeah really going on did you. Did you ever learn about where it was coming from or I would assume duluth probably came in on a boat I I. It wouldn't surprise me if it was duluth as a big importing place for all kinds of fun stuff legitimately. I couldn't tell you where it came from. I don't know it was I. I don't know where the guy got it and that that's actually. I think what's kept me safe as I didn't interact with the big guy. He would occasionally throw money at me and take a bottle of booze and walk away. We I don't think we exchanged more than maybe fucking forty words with each other. Just Iowa fucking clown dancing thing on the bar with hot chicks trying to get them to get guys to buy drinks and stuff so he's just like yeah. This guy's a good distraction guarantee. I was just a to them. I was just Eh people knew what was going on with the better for them. Yeah a hundred percent and like I think I ran into someone else who used to go to that party like about a couple of months later and they're just like do you know how lucky you are that you weren't there that day they got busted and I never really hung out at that place other than the party nights which is funding again. Lucky me. Oh yeah and I think about that a lot like I. There's a legit chance I could have been an accessory to to this. This is massive. Cry On you know. It wasn't us. It was the guy behind the bar. He's the guy he's bringing it all in with fake alcohol right and here. I thought I was the one ripping them off by cutting that litter. Well if anybody's listening who is a part of this crime syndicate of of cocaine Please contact me get the rest of the story on that please. Don't I don't need you went on a podcast and talked about about this shit now. I mean I left names out the ones that and also just I didn't they are listening. I didn't snitch right. They were already there then. Nothing to do with you So to finish off the time on our on this podcast you had another story. That's completely unrelated. Oh yeah and now for something directly different but but also kind of similar apparently a little bit. There's some there's there's some striking thirty so a couple of years ago this is going to be So it's thirty two. I'm going to be thirty thirty six's here so surrogate but the little over almost four years ago now a buddy of mine. was an event coordinator in Saint Cloud and he calls me up one day and he knew that I would. I would come and help him with events. I helped him uncle beer. Festivals and CIDER fast couple CIDER festivals is well on Bartender Ilya so whatever but he knew like I lived close to to the civic center where they were holding this event and he comes. He's like hey man I need. I need hand on this. I'll pay you cash under the table. Just come and help me out. I'm like cool. Oh I had no idea at this point. What what he wants but is a good buddy of mine and he never would really? He's not anyone I'd ever have to worry about like leading me astray. Okay what ever and I've oh I've done. I did other stuff. I'm like you know like ducks unlimited. And these these are the really stupid little events I walk in on my oh. There's a concert going going on cool immediately. Put me to work. This concert. Plays right still what it is yet and not quite. They're like Oh you're here to work. I didn't even see my boss yet. I was dude walking off the street and they immediately put me to putting electronics together for a laser as our light show. I have no experience doing this. I'm thinking I'm just GonNa do General Labor. I walk up after half an hour of me trying trying to do this. The kind of goes with the fucker you doing. Are you trying to get somebody killed. Yeah apparently I what I was doing. It could have caused a fire. Oh Nice Nice. And that's when I found out I was rotating for kids BOP. Now explain to people who don't know what kids poppies kids. Bob is a popular group that covers pop songs and makes them more kid friendly and they're sung by children. They've been around for over twenty years like preteen annoying. Yeah eleven twelve thirteen probably yes. I think they like a tween group sort of thing and it's always a change in cast a kids kids. Every CD I think is different kids all and they tour with each age out. Yeah Yeah it's probably like menudo sort of thing you know it's only the More annoying Rightish Inman UTO right gross. So Oh and by the by the magic of of editing if you want to know what it sounds like it sounds is like this the road. I'M GONNA here DOC is Mattie buddhist-backed. Imagine your Porsche. Anna Valley poor. That's that's disgust. It's not it's not good right but this is music to kill yourself to hunter. I kind of wanted to. I hate children a hate singing children even horse so it's and especially special level of health. Shing the lyrics of songs you know right to be more child-friendly only way I would enjoy. Gioia is if they sang like Gangsta. Rap Music on edited police. Fuckin- Kitty chipmunk voice. That's beautiful I like that right. So we're we're I'm setting up this this whole so. They take me off the electronics. Thank God and I'm like kids Bob. And that's when my I say that. And that's when my buddy buddy comes out he's like yeah. You know I run this thing and I'm like I'm like kids Bob. And he's like and then immediately the the guy who's like the tour manager walk so yeah. Yeah Kids Bob. Ah Cool and also for the listeners. Just know this is is huge yes financially wise like I remember when we start talking about uh-huh remembering those commercials. 'cause you could buy a CD or they're all singing. All the top forty songs have whatever whatever and then we went to go to youtube to look at subscribe. They got a one point five something million subscribers on their goddamn YouTube channel and that's just on Youtube they're exploiting the fuck out of these children they're probably are we getting a hundred dollar check here and there and some fucking assholes making a stage show where they're doing costume changes dancing choreographed dancing to laser lights and other shit right so he puts me back to work. But it's like something a little bit more. My speed he goes. Hey I need you to set this energy. Go onto the side of the stage and set a privacy curtains. And I'm like privacy curtains. Why would you need privacy curtains? Oh and he goes. Oh because the pederasts sit on the corners and look over to watch the kids changing unbelievable one of those things you don't think about if you're not a pedophile. For where anything something yeah legitimately. He's like yeah. We have to put these up because we noticed that single men were buying the very in the front row. were buying the edge seats. It's so that the diagonally could look at kids changing holy fuck so. They knew that they could improve that. They couldn't prove it but in the I. I think that there's probably as my guess is. There's a precedent for this right so now now you gotta get wonder are the kids Bob. Do they know that can't do anything about Out It or do they look at it as well. That's another ticket sold. I don't know mostly I will say that. They were really promoting it for families thing. I will legitimately say that they were it was supposed. I like a family show the churches. Also you know Oh. I have enough stories but I grew up Catholic. That's a whole other podcast right like I was part of the Saint Paul Archdiocese. And that's all leave it. Did you got kidnapped. I did not. I didn't get kicked up but my priest who gave me my first communion did oh he was one of those you as a guy who gave me my first communion was it. I just was not his flavor. Okay and the body. Dismore Viet is giving me Myers. I feel kind of bad luck. You didn't cute my battle. Tangible cheeks both kinds but back up. Yeah because it gets beside I forget about it gets worse from here is a little bit. Yeah it's not worth. It just gets weirder okay weird so after. I'm putting that up. Then they had me doing like the set up chairs shares and. That's the usual concerts so I'm like okay. Whatever this I know? I'm going to get some money and then I'll hey. Do you WANNA help set up craft services cool and it's all the stuff you I think you're gonNA see kids kids services. There's oreo cookies. There's gushers there's cheese nips. There's three handles of patrol on there. There were three handles of patrolling Joey. That's in the writer to the edge off. Those kids then tried to go on stage without a little bit of a bus. Turns is out. The tour manager also worked with groups such as Motley crue and whitesnake and Bon Jovi in the eighties right. So somebody didn't want to give up the lifestyle. Put My boozer next big pile of pudding POPs that's gone. It was actually next to the Capri Suns make sense good mixer that's Because that was the last thing I did the tour manager then POPs open one of the bottles search drinking from directly and then hands ends a to me and we started drinking thrown out of the bottle chasing it with packets of Capri Sun Solaris backstage to and and their defense I couldn't go to one of those shows without having to be fucking trunk or hammered or Hawaii. I probably. You're probably not wrong all fuck so we're board so we're drinking and I'm like this and that's when the but here's the thing were drinking it and as were drinking the kids start coming in and I say this is a hundred percents true story I go. Do you really think we should be drinking around the kids and the kids without ago almost does this all the time like they were. They were so they were they were. The kids were numb to it. What are their? What's the handler situation? Like is their parents there. Nope real they were just like tour manager people really so people kids days Jones may have been parents. I didn't stick around for that long because I I. I'm I was like I had had a bunch of Tequila Kielland. I'm like I'm not GonNa stay for the concert. I already knew what was coming and also it just felt weird drinking tequila behind the stage as kids. We're getting makeup and stares ready it was just one of the things I my buddy goes and he hands me like fifty bucks and only a couple of hours of work. So I'm like whatever and I'm just sitting. Ah I leave just with that wide eyed look of the fuck just happened like. That's that's a weird resume builder and if you are if you're a member of Kids Bob and you're listening to this. This story. One hundred percent happened Saint Cloud Minnesota three years ago. Almost four Holy Shit. I almost want to go now. I want to go to a show in like go find the pedophile corner. Just start asking those guys. What's going on are you you guys just really big fan of Synchronize back there. What's going on only legitimately the the other roadies are like? Yeah no because a pedophile. And it's just like a pedophile. They're just like the but that makes perfect serves does but it was one of those things you just you. Don't you don't think about it. You know what other shows have like Kid Kassim. Isn't that other kinds of shows. I'm sure there are and I'm sure this is a problem at like like I. Prince theaters shed or something. The little girl that got killed the princess princess dress up called deter Thira show only tier toddlers and here. What are we talking to like the little mini mini pageants dudes? Go their lousy with fucking like kid fuckers. You know what I mean like hall footing. It was one of those things. You just you don't you you. Why would you set up these privacy? Curtains US thinking well first of all. I didn't realize how many outfit changes were included in it so that that's on on me for not being that naive and not realizing that they need to do plenty of outfit changes but also the fact that they had to put up the curtains because people were peaking backstage while Oh kids changing is just removing the people. Well they I don't I can't say specifically that there were but that that's what the crew crew were like yeah like pedophile. 's Holy Fuck down. And you're just like a kid's Bob Show and they're all show as we're trinket fucking Tequila backstage. So how. How did that influence was that basically it? I just got paid and walked out of there. And they're like do you want tickets to the show and I'm like no I could. I could have watched. I could've hung backstage and drank with them too and I was just like I. I need to get out of here. This is this is not where I wanNA be right now. OCTA DOC de Crazy thank you thank you for for both stories. That was Interesting and now. I'm terrified of kids Bob now. Two kids bop up and cocaine. Ah the.

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Tim Anderson-The Difficulty of Actually Doing Something

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1:32:56 hr | 5 months ago

Tim Anderson-The Difficulty of Actually Doing Something

"Welcome to the tiny logic. Podcasts where we have conversations with those on the frontlines of the tiny house. Revolution name is adam. Gary clark twenty fifteen. I created a three hundred dollars housing opportunity myself and five other friends in offering tiny community. How since then tiny holes and take over my life it shows for the title of the talk shopping get us all find information about the work of tiny laws had kind logic dot one time. I gave a tour of my tiny home community to some new friends. I showed them some ducks. Show them some painted. Rv's a couple of solar panels and they were very impressed. You think this place is cool. I said you should see my friend. Tim's place in alameda. It's five times as big and exponentially more interesting About an hour later we showed up at what was known as the alameda maker. Farm is an epic place that has since spawned three other maker spaces where off grid permaculture. Tiny home style playfulness. It's happening on this random saturday afternoon. We walked into the secret compound. We tiptoed over roaming bunnies and pigs wrestling in the mud. Next two chickens and ducks milling around There were all these interesting people of all ages deep in conversation. Some were slow cooking meat in macgyver options or slicing potatoes with salvaged. Fast food equipment. There was a group of computer nerds huddled around a laptop in one corner deepen their project. Too busy to even notice our amazement. These very tall llamas that were fast approaching us looking for a snack. We walked a little further past various weird building experiments past the refrigerated box truck full of produce and baked goods rescued from food. Waste streams that. Tim and set up This is a tiny house prototype. Jay shafer been working on when guy tells us Jay shafer the godfather of modern the modern tiny house movement. He loved that place but my favorite part of that little spontaneous tour was when we got to the corner of the lot. We walk past the naral of welding equipment and sculptures and there with his back to us as the sun was setting was an old man sitting in a rocking chair just jamming out on his own. Monica playing like the sweetest melody totally unaware that anyone was listening. I wanted to chat with tim anderson because he's done more tiny house experiments in the bay area in more places than anyone i know. He's battled or navigated code enforcement and five different municipalities to my count. And if anyone has good practical advice on how to live weird and cheap in the big city and get away with it. It's tim anderson. I consider him the yoda of tiny house living. And i'm so glad that this conversation was recorded. Because he's such a creative and dynamic thinker that it's it's sometimes hard to catch all of the rich ideas and concepts that come out in real time. This is definitely the type of conversation. You may wanna listen to a few times to my knee insight. So buckle up. Get out your google and you're not pat. I could tell you tim. Co-founded one of the pioneering companies in three d. printing z corp or that he is known as one of the most prolific writers on. Its struggles but i think the following quote that i found online really sums up. Who tim anderson is. I was living in a student. Run machine shop at mit it was an anarchist. Utopia where you could just show up and tinker. I was making a robot named gogo that painted oil paintings. One day i was wandering the halls of mit picking through junk piles and i ended up meeting people in the basement of building thirty five. They were doing some research on three d printing and they needed an electronics guy. I said i was one. They came over to see my painting robot and then they went their merry way. Then i had the revelation. Gee i should follow up on this. Because i could do the same stuff i was doing as an artist. Call myself an engineer and get paid. That's how i spent three years as a gnome inside a three d. Printer tim anderson garrett. Clark i'm the patron saint of Tiny houses in West oakland so. I've been curious. I've heard that you were involved in the early days of of Three d. printing technology. I don't know if you wanna give us a little bit of your your origin stories. What were you doing mit. Well i'll make a long story short. I built a three d. printer company out of junk with the help of some really good. You know really smart hardworking and Or they might say. They built a three three company. With the help of this crazy. Crackpot guy which would be me Then after that helped Within struggles. I did a couple hundred struggles at the time. It was most of the whatever it was. most of. The traffic was on my content while 'cause i had a big backlog of projects that i needed to document and finish and now like Like a lot of people found out that the planet doesn't have infinite resources and so like the urge to just make technology because it's cool. And because i hope somebody'll think i'm smart You know that it's like oh. Let's figure out a way to live within these finite resources. Let's i wanna learn to live in a way that i would want other people to live. You know because like you know we all we all see others. That's our mill mirror of ourselves. So it's like i. I'd meet a guy and he had a ponytail. And i think to myself gee this guy really. He's just like thinking about himself. Way too much and then i realized that i had a ponytail. I'd better cut it so so i think you're touching on your i get a sense from from knowing you that you have a deep commitment to sustainability and and like you said creating systems where people can live in and meet lighter on the land. But i don't want to put words in your mouth. I'm curious what how you got into tiny homes. Wh how how that bug got a hold of you what. What was the the starting point for that. When did you learn about the concept of living. Well as a little little background of the setting where we are where we're at we're at my farm on the delta birds singing and Were sitting under a canopy. it's The first is this bay. I may second may second may second and The climate is perfect. And there's no need to have a building here like people here for thousands and thousands tens of thousands who knows they keep push back you know. How many eons people lived here and a house to them with a canopy and maybe a canopy bed right quivalent of a big dome tent That's what people lived in because the climate is so fantastic. You wanna be out in it. You know that's where life is so you know. We're we're transplanted culture. Here from you know places with really severe seasons. And so like if you're in michigan or something and you don't have some kind of plastic igloo to hide in you die. You know. there's all these things that happen in other places and we're kind of like the japanese culture like when the japanese moved north. They're still wearing a bathrobe and sandals and living in a paper house right and they have to have a lot of hot tubs. Have a heater under the table. And do these adaptations. But it's not a. It's not an arctic culture. Right just a riff on this a little bit more. Go to the the native american museum in dc which depending on which door you go in because tribes refer to themselves in different ways you know. It might be the native american museum or the american indian museum anyway there. There was a great display. On how the The apaches right. Which are now you know about Down in mexico right on the mexican border how they were in arctic tribe. And so they speak. I don't know what an athabasca language. And they have all of these artifacts so they had this display of here are the artifacts of arctic tribe. And he you know of of an of at athabasca arctic tribe and. Here's the the artifacts of the apaches. Looks like they've got the you know the boots the re curve bow you know the ways they cut their clothing turns out. It works great in the arctic and in the desert so anyway that's a good example of culture moved to a new place and it was a good fit whereas here we're in california everybody's paying you know god loads to live out here and they're being forced to pay four hundred bucks a square foot. You know seven hundred bucks a square foot to built to do to by just like look out reg fan right rice per square foot. What's the cheapest thing. Well that's that's bait for a bidding war but that's the that's the bottom right that's cost to buy. And that's you know. Cost to build cassettes sets the floor of cost to buy so affordability was a big a big reason for you to look at a tiny homes to start thinking. You don't need it right. You know Like sleep outs. You know there are a lot of bugs the beautiful climate for most of the year. You don't need a roofing for the other part. You don't need walls it's just a home. Yeah i mean. I remember how well i have a house at all extreme. Yeah that's pretty extreme. But yeah i see your point i remember. I remember once you told me about about trailers. And how am i think i think kinda ties into what you're saying about about the climate but that they are these instant there these existing homes and i was telling you about. Oh yeah what did i get a trailer and then chop it. All up and then rebuild it. And you're like that's so stupid you've got a house right there and you don't need much beyond that because like we're in northern california and the climate's pretty accommodating. There's so many blogs whereas like i'm gonna make myself a tiny house and live debt. Free look. I got this old trailer. I'm gonna cut it and that's the end of the at the end of the block. That's the end of it because they got it a trailer and then i suppose you got fancy you could if you could find a a craigslist you could say like you could see their ad for gutted. Can ham trailer must sell nearly there. Yeah and in the meantime they've been paying rant for their. How for their their you know for for their apartment and their trailer and make an godawful mask is nothing looks worse than a half destroyed trailer and it's got all the systems in it but poor people don't need to do this. You know this is for the this is for the class insecure falling bourgeoisie. The pet you know to get into tiny home. Yeah i mean like a poor person will just buy an rv renault. Though by a trailer they will live in a trailer park right you know. And what will they do. They will buy a nice used one. And it'll have all the systems They don't need to spend a year their life paying double the rent to make some kind of she thing out of you know recycled chicken coop. Would you know rusty corrugated stuff. You know the reason they have to do that is because of classes security right. It's it's a it's a it's a status display. It's like no. I'm not trailer trash. i'm. I'm still middle class. You know just like it's a little jewel box house. It's like look how fancied is no i. I want to do it because it's better. You know. I definitely got wrapped up in that for sure will. You're very classic. You're you're you're very class secure. You've got a great education. You got a huge social network. You got tons of skills you know. It took me a while to get there though. I think but anyway class class class position. You know you're you're the intelligentsia. Your children could be president of any country class. Reproduction is the essence of class. Right Yeah is not what it's like. The probabilities of your children ascending to some job right and hereditary like classes hereditary privilege or hereditary disadvantage. Right so you know a fail son. You know fail sign or a bad seed here and there. That's not that that does not that does not disprove the existence of class as a as a mechanism. Right right right right. Yeah let leftism left leftism. That's really trendy we're going to get. Everybody wants to know about leftism. Okay yeah that's left. As i think we're going to go. Your leftism always always been baloney. I looked at the history of it. Yeah and it it. It never meant rich versus poor. It always it was always a manipulated concept used for for for you know for for struggle. It was like. Oh it's the it's the lower house versus the upper house right house of commons house of lords or was the the you know the rabble you know th the the rabble of the orange garter versus the rabble of the green garden like in in in those innumerable twists and turns of the of the of the toothy intestine. That was the french revolution right. So it's just part of this like it's always political abstraction kinda thing. Yeah i mean what what what you know what we should want it to mean in the united states now is the two humps of the wealth graph. Right right which you know. It was sort of a normal distribution at one time and then it got cheaper to would ever do. Labor arbitrage import everything from china and then the rich people own walmart and the poor people worked at walmart drove on potholes past. You know ruined factories to get there and now we've got now we've got a really distinct to hump class system like you can break down further. You just can't look at the stats without seeing this. Dromedary let's do the divergence. So that's what i mean. That's what i won't left and right to me. You know left and right on the income graph right right right right right but that's to nobody wants that you when you you at some point you left. Mit i'm guessing. I don't know your your your starting point to getting into the bay area. Okay but but so. I'm curious about that. But did that involve your awareness of of not needing a home and just using the the beautiful climate in in the form of some. Now i was. I think i was born really simpleminded that way. Okay like i before like i was. Why was i able to spend so much time on three d. printers back then. It was because i was living in a car. On vassar street you know and and was fantastic. Vasser's vassar street. it's unseen cambridge. It's it's it's a like a it's probably not in does that industrial anymore. But it was kind of you know a ratty street behind mit okay. And when i moved out there ninety one there were like store. Boarded up storefronts in in central square. And the the escalator at the t station still had wooden steps while. Yeah yeah i i went to. I went to college in boston. And i lived. I lived I lived in dorchester for a couple years and So i was. I was very near inman square. But i would walk around harvard yard and your school. You went to tufts emerson emerson. Yeah wow. that's a liberal arts school. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Yeah very you transcendental. Did they teach you there. Oh that's that's Waldo emmerson is a transcendental. Is that right. Yeah notorious this. Oh he's but like if you wanna read his essays on small town government okay you know. He was a whatever vaporous he you know. He was a diaphanous spirit like when came to many things but he had really clear things to say about. You know count government. Yeah that's interesting. I think stuff done. I just remember that. He was pretty interesting. But i also want to say that our school was named not after him. But some other guy named like johnny microwave company. Think an off brand have to look into that a sonic just bringing me okay. So you were so you were sleeping on your car in the nineties way. Before van life had even become an idea in somebody say nobody had ever thought of being a bum and sleeping car. Then it was like and i heard i heard they were still working on the equations. I heard you. Somebody told me once that you. I think luke told me once that you You would camp out under your desk in mit league. You sleep on your desk to just save money and be more effective. Mit is fantastic. Did you go to some events there. I hope not really. Oh man you should go back. Go back in january and go to a bunch of events. Okay yeah it's a it's an. It's a really amazing place. Yeah They sup- re like like these whatever prodigy misfits from all over the world And a bunch of koreans normal koreans who went to high school in korea. Uh-huh that's who's at mit They think it's a party school. That's fine Yeah hundreds and hundreds of clubs Really welcoming place and if you want to work on some projects you know you can sit in on classes. You know if you if you're curious and wanna work on stuff I don't know. Maybe i shouldn't be saying this. 'cause all all the all the of the world going to go there so you so you were tinkering on three d. printing and then how did how did you get. How did you get to the bay. Why did you come to the bay. Well my kite surfing buddies They they got. Phd's and moved out here and started started a company and recruited me and asked me what job i wanted. I said pro bono nightwatchman and that's and so then. I came out and i lived in there. You know basically lived at their machine shop. Because that's what i was doing at. Mit i was living at and facilitating the student. Run machine shop at mit and You know or you know i spent. I can't keep track of the time line right. I spent so many years living in my car. You know like i you know. I was in minnesota fixing cars. You know getting a bit of salvage auction. F- painting them and fixing them and selling well in january in minnesota when the snow is all chirpy no as underneath a you know like on the chirpy hard snow. You know black snow. Anyone who's from their knows about the chirpy hard black snow and i. I don't know. I dumped a bunch of like gasoline on my face and gasoline really stings your face like it doesn't really hurt you anywhere else but at least for me when i get gasoline on my face which i really wish was never again. It really stings. It's like subzero. Gasoline is on my face. And i've got my you know. I'm trying to turn a ranch with my frozen fingers and i'm laying under that i and and i thought to myself you know there are other places in the world. Yeah so i. So i drove. I drove out to boston and Ended up with was going on in. January in boston was like mit. They just have classes stop and they have thousands. Yeah stay safe to save thousands of events. 'cause one hundred clubs can hundred and fifty clubs and a whole lot of departments can put on a lot of events so i i kind of studied. Mit yeah to fascinating place. So you didn't you wouldn't actually japan interest actually because like in japan. Everybody's really active. There's tons of clubs. Everybody wants you to join their club. And then everybody is just learning skills. Neil skills scales. Everybody's like working on their skills all the time and hand. Mit's clubs clubs and skills so you you e- blossomed in that way at at mit would you say it was. It was the right place. It was the right place. I mean i got there in one ninety one or something And this was Run up on the gulf war gulf war one lot of big protests going on there and there was a recession like i wanted to get a temp job and i was like manpower. Kelly filling out forms. Is there for like an hour. And their phone didn't ring. It was like oh you know. They're they were laying off their own temps right so it was a it was a it out. There was a it was. It was a deep recession deck digital equipment They just like fired like they've gone out of business or whatever they just fired like two thousand employees. Two thousand engineers. That's a lot of. That's a lot of you know middle class incomes. Whatever you know nerds never know what class they're in but you know that's that's a bunch of people with a lot of money that were supporting whole sectors of the economy. That just like suddenly were broken needed to i guess move west. I see so you so you moved. West started got involved in a startup. basically and you were the nightwatchman as well. Okay so okay kids. Here's how you have a career you go to the you go to the you go to a depository library. This is where they have the government documents. And i'm saying this to you because you know if you don't have to use a computer everything's better see. Go there and you talk to the reference librarian. She's gonna be so happy to have some human talking to her in this library. And say i wanna know. I wanna look at the department of labor statistics. salary data for different trades and locations. And i i'd been you know fixing cars. And so i i did that and i looked at At the time The most money you could make in the country was As a dealer mechanics make more than self employed mechanics People who paint cars made more money than People are fixed them then. People who fixed cars and The highest pay for that was in denver. Denver painting cars and denver was the most you know. These are averages. The you could make. That was the best place to work on. Cars painting cars and delve denver. And the reason for that is. It's a big city in On the edge of the rust belt right so the rust belt is well. It's where all the factories got closed from. Whatever offshoring all our industries but it's also where they put salt on the roads so then the cars roster rest away so they're bunch of salt free states so you could get you could buy high mile cars with son oxidized paint for cheap there. Give them a paint job and a car with a perfect body. You know the you know somewhere there. Salt on the roads. you know. it's good whatever it's so that's why they were so much money painting cars because that's where the prophet was. Okay so i looked also looked. Okay what else do i like to do. I like to build electric circuits like to program. Computers what are those pays like. Okay well in in in In the boston area. So at the time i was in saint cloud minnesota fixing computers with my own tools for five bucks an hour. Okay yeah wow. I mean that's when i had a job you know. They paid me hours. You know when. I was doing for myself curse. You know if you're not good at business you can lose money in anything. This is in the nineties. You were fixing computers. Eight eighties eighties nine. This is like that. That's what steve jobs and wozniak were doing where they were doing it in central minnesota. Minnesota's got a sue a really good educational system and a lot of really smart skilled hardworking people and let's just say skilled hardworking people because people are smart everywhere And skilled worked paid little very little. They're like whether you're doing it for yourself or for somebody else and then Anyway so i wanted to go to boston for other reasons and so they're skilled skilled wages. They're pay not pay nine bucks an hour. Unskilled wages paid seven bucks an hour whereas in california it was more like you know eighteen for skilled and like four for unskilled right right and my theory about that is like a lot of low. Low wage immigration It pushes down the low. You know the low wages at the low end and also it increases the demand for managers engineers. The other you know. The other members of the team That you need in the mix right because the whatever the the production factors consume each other and the scarce factor gets you know gets more expensive So so okay kids you know. Look at your job. Prospects look at the wages and look at the ridge. Regional differ in. They've they've projections. This information is out there. You don't have to go ended on bankrupt to try and explain to the world with voltaire was really trying to say it may be a joyful beautiful wonderful thing to do. But you're going to need you know you're going to need to buy some insulin or something and that takes money and to get that you need a job. So i'm always curious. How did you get your financial security. Because i'm assuming you've got some and i'm assuming it had something to do with your genius around being Involved in the early Technical technological developments of three d. printing. Because you've been able to buy a lot. It's more important in that than that is that i limited my investment in crypto afford to lose. Yeah and i did lose it because you know even though we know electric car. You know like crypto. Let's just say for electric cars. Say we we have. It's a sure thing we gary. We're guaranteed that electric cars are the future. Well that doesn't mean if you buy an electric car. Now it's going to be worth ten times as much you know in twenty years. Don't it's going to be worth nothing right So any given crypto token we now know right. The chances of anyone crypto token going two zero is not almost one hundred percent right. So i just happened to have the wrong crypto and then also there just so many anyway so what you gotta do is a thing called kelly betting okay. This is where you this is. This is the mit has blackjack team. And i learned it. learned it from them okay Oh yeah i remember. I read a book about the mit. Blackjack team bro. Bringing down the house talking there was there was a hollywood movie. I think they were getting punched in the face and falling in love and stuff you know. They took an interesting thing and had to like i have. I guess i should watch it. And then i can try and figure out who of those characters were the ones who were supposed to be falling in love and getting punched that you knew you knew those guys. Yeah yeah they were town show up. Yeah you learn. Go to one of their meetings. Learn card and card counting and if you liked it and we're good at it then you could go and are you telling me that's how you got your your well known by this island about kelly batting okay. Kelly betting in blackjack. Let's say you a card counting system that gives you a two percent advantage. Yeah right over the house or you know what a big takeaway from this. Be the house right. But that's a game where you where the where the advantages can be known so. Just simple card counting. Let's say it gives you a two percent advantage. I don't that's that might not be over the house that might be over the other players so given that two percent advantage the question is how much should you bet on each hand and in where they played with their system the right number seven percent okay of of you know you got you. Know you've got twenty grand so you bet What's what's seven percent of. Okay let's do ten grand. Seven percent of ten grand is seven percent of ten grand august. One hundred bucks okay. That right sounds right k kids. You gotta learn math so you can be a technocrat anyway if you if you bet less than seven percent in this with this advantage in this system if you bet less than this amount it takes you forever to make money and if you bet more than that A bad handle no will wipe you out so you. So the reason. I didn't lose everything on crypto It's because i. I did my you know simple-minded version of kelly batting where i didn't that money i couldn't afford to lose. Okay but crypto wasn't around. No no the these these. These great opportunities will come up all the time. Yeah right so don't put out. Let's call it modern portfolio theory right. Okay just don't put all your eggs in one basket. Yeah right and now. I'm now i'm old right. I'm i'm fifty five or something. Yeah so that means my by risk tolerance market volatility. Anyway you just you know your sure thing is not a sure thing yeah right and so just you know you know you. Investing is gambling. And i just managed to not lose everything in a bunch of booms and crashes. Okay so that's the important thing is like you know because you hand somebody a million bucks. They're not going to have it in twenty years. You know yet. i'm twenty million. They probably won't have it in ten years right so for all you kids right. Just you know you're wondering about how you're going to get all this money right. Everybody wants to help you get rid of it so to not get rid of it. You know what this isn't just people who get windfalls right. How much money in american have right. It's negative right like they have access to four hundred dollars right. Yeah but half of them don't have access to four hundred dollars right yeah. They're just living that close they. They're spending all the money. They have not just all the money they have. It's all the money they can get like. People are listing their assets and their listing credit cards. That's the opposite of asthma. Right right yeah. Why ability okay. So let's fast forward. You're you're in the bay for a bit and you so a cliff notes is that we know that you have tried to legalize some form of a tiny house. Situation done many different iterations in five different municipalities. And that. that's like the main my main at your nearest actions jurisdictions okay yep and i came across your brilliance in in your oakland experiments Which some of. Which were your experiments while i was a part of yeah But i i don't know like i'm curious i wanted to start talking about Bellina so i don't know where that was in the timeline now believes doesn't exist. There's no such thing as there's no way to get there or a place in the north bay. But now but i rule of beliefs club did not talk about this. Yes oakland's where the fun is that. He saw black panther. Yeah you thought that building that he lived in high rises by bart station. Okay i was seeing that. And i was like. Wow what a great locations like. He's like fifteen minutes from like so many high paying jobs. Yeah right yeah and at that time already. They'd already like. I don't know like a third of the like in that while they were making that movie. Probably a third of the black people in an oakland somehow got convinced to leave. Oakland right spelled gentrified. Right what what what did we use displaced or. They didn't leave. They just ended up on the streets and encampments seventy percent of the people in cabinets or black but black men. Yeah she's being male is a good strategy. If you're homeless. I guess okay so so but i'm still curious. Oh okay so you you. You're in trouble now in oakland. I am trump. i am an adult. I am in trouble. And i i met. You are our site that is in trouble now. Started because of a site that got shut down with luke. Yeah the triangular lot Across from american steel. And that's that's where. I ran into you start. Let's where i met you. Yeah In a ged zik dome with a rocket stove. Yeah yeah and And you were involved with another lot nearby that which was kind of wrapped up in our in our. We were highly logical. But you were trying to do. I saw the. I saw the tiny home Youtube videos years later. I saw you zipping around in a forklift. And you guys what what that video purported to say was you guys are trying to build a tiny community right is that what. What was the background of. The of of post works in in oakland Post works well. You know everyone can look at fair companies curse first and dirksen that sounds. She is tireless documenting tiny houses. Yeah and she did this. Great in depth long-form you know tour of Lucan heather's village and One of the things they showed. Her was composting toilet. Did they know. Yeah yeah they get. They did and Some traffic analysis thing told the local news that there was pay dirt to be had And then they went and and they put their pu bucket on and then local. Newscasters say they had me until pu bucket and that got a rating spike and then the The media goldrush industry Just pounced on it and Was the guy some some some journalists whose previous had been. He'd made his career with the scoop. That is uncle poodle. Trying to get custody of honey boo boo. He showed up. he showed up With no facial muscles and a in a media crew to To take desperate to get some footage of this pu bucket and there was well. No i mean that's and then he called Then he called to tell you to make it even more spicy. He called everyone in city in oakland city hall and said You know or what's your position on the city of visiting this tiny house village. What's your position. On the city of victimless. You know you know. He spent whatever made phone calls. They are his staff of bangolo ryan's or whoever do it so that he could make his story more spicy. Because then i don't know what you make on a new. Do you know that. So many can you make four hundred grand on a new story. No i mean the they this guy from you know they brought out of. He was hanging by his toes in some cave and they brought him out a cold storage. No no no. This guy's uncle poodle and honey boo boo right. That's the that's like a geraldo type. That's like that's like a mass shooting you know. That's that's real money there. I don't know. I mean i probably had a salary with some news outfit. I'm guessing i mean what's what's his name this guy. We won't mention local. Cbs he did the exactly the same thing to our thing in alameda right. It's a great strategy like if you wanna wreck somebody's project and make a few bucks on it right okay. Well before we get into specifics of datum of what do you have the duty to inform the public. No i this is actually from us. This whole podcast is for myself. This is just like answering my my own curiosity. 'cause i've never asked i've never heard like what was in your brain when you first got involved with with the site with luke. I'm going to reveal my secrets and it's going to destroy my life so i hope you make some money off it. Yes if if any money comes from this episode or anything following you will you will get a percentage holy cow. I'm making that commitment here down. But what what what what. Precise percentage kids negotiation. You gotta learn this. The scale now turns out just to just to lay it out for you I only want the orange peel. Adamantly wants the seeds so we're gonna divide up this orange hair and we're going to have to just throw the juice away. This is from the standard textbook of negotiation. Getting now. what's it called getting to. Yes getting to yes getting to yes. Yeah turns out in every negotiation. You're in it'll be just exactly like that. It's like well. I only want the potato peels. While i only want the dirt that gets brushed off those potatoes i guess we'll just throw that white nasty partway right right right. Yeah you'll see that you'll see that your whole life that's I i've been listening to the what's his name. Chris voss the the hostage negotiator who has a a class on on negotiations. Yes like a bit. He's like a business consultant. Originally sell the tapes of rabbits being tortured but he talks about. He talks about black swans or things that That the two sides don't know about elements that the two sides don't know about like the orange juice that could be beneficial the talk enough and trade information of they could realize. Oh we're talking about divvying up this orange and there's juice that we were going to just throw away but if we hold it and then sell it we can both split the prophets of that and maybe our negotiation about the seeds and the peels lightens up But you have to put to get to that black swan or that. On known a piece of information that is relevant to the to the negotiation you have to have communication you have to like listen and trade and ask clarifying questions. So when the fbi was holding all those people in as hostages in texas and then they decided to kill them all with flame. Throwers and poison gas. You're talking about waco. Yeah yes so. What would what was he doing during this. Yeah i don't know if he was involved in that won't negotiate with the fbi told them not to kill seventy people like the biggest mass killing. Wasn't i think that was our biggest mass murderer in the country. Wasn't it biggest mass mass killing. Yeah that was an interesting story and you were at the time. I think that was our biggest mass. Killing was the the fbi doing a massacre in texas. Yeah and we'll hang about it. It's interesting you bring up the the colts in the compounds. Because i think that is a big thing that people think about groups like like the ones that you and i get involved in now. I think he's israel. It's just visceral. But yeah i get conditioned response. Yeah people are like. Oh that that compound. That's not. That's not what i'm used to. It's it it's maybe it's contagious right. When you so got hair like that here that could be lice. That could be played. You know that could be bubonic plague someone with bad hair there what you know. Get away from them. Don't touch them. you know. Get someone else to touch them with clubs. Very them just evolution. So let's go back to. Let's go back to oakland. So tell me what what were what was what was your hopes for that space because we know what we we haven't really talked about what happened to crash those dreams in a way but what was the. What was the intention there for that space for you personally. Well you know it was just like it was just the inexorable logic of logic. Yeah okay which is like. I want to be in this climate right. It's like land costs. You know at the time land cost forty dollars a square foot. Right and buildings cost two hundred dollars a square foot and inside a building. It's not as nice. It's nicer to be outside right. It's nicer to be outside than inside and it's cheaper. Oh being right so why buy cheaper land raw land and then moving structures that that job. Let's go shopping with the cheapest place. Oh this is the cheapest place like. Is it outdoors in a beautiful climate. Yes it is okay and then and then kids. Here's the most difficult idea to ever have. It's the idea of actually doing a thing. Okay like kinsmen on that doing it and then it being different and then running up against known as like. Hey somebody ought to. It's like why don't they you know it's like why don't you know it's so you're saying that it's going to actually do it. It's like i just did it right. And then like i made the call. Yeah i'm gonna. I'm gonna rent your yard you what. Why are you saying that the idea of actually doing something. It's it's because it's it's just like the next. It's the next step right. So big trouble right so What was it descartes. Kojiro zoom right so like Logic logic doesn't lift rocks right muscles lift rocks. Okay and so descartes trying to understand the human right. So he's got this. He didn't really he really didn't want to say that. The soul is the function of the body that we're meet machine and that the spirit and the soul and the character and the person that this this is all just like wobble patterns of you know some fluky weep meet machine. No he wants it to be like an immortal immutable. You know With the weird supernatural thing right outside of nature right not the functions of a meat machine so So he basically he said it was an accident that your immortal soul would be doing the kind of the same things as your meat as your meat. You know as your human house your you know your your human vessel right going around in the material world doing material stuff and it just happens that your your soul is thinking about hamburgers at the same time as your corp. Existence is thinking about hamburgers breath but he could never figure out how you know he. He couldn't figure out how your soul would ever make a muscle move right. It would just be kind of an accident. It's just like harmonious. Your soul is harmonious with your body and your muscles kind of move when your soul feels like it whereas now we're you know we're all engineers and so we you know if we're lucky. We take philosophic logic at the same time like this is what happened to me. I was taken to fill a philosophy logic class at the same time. I was also taking an engineering logic class. Cool and i was building circuits right and the logic is the same Except engineers have no use for syllogism. that's computer programmers. They use syllogisms. Legitim- syllogism is all men are mortal socrates is a man therefore socrates is mortal right aka. Stereotypes okay ak the inductive fallacy. Okay right you set theory right you know you will. You can misconstrue it a bunch of different fun ways. Okay but we're syllogism. That's the greeks. Were all hung up about syllogisms. Sura going with the oh engineer with engineering engineering the output. The output is a voltage or a current. It's do or not do it. The light bulb coming on the motor turning zero or one right. So that's engineering. Logic does not have the mind body problem or great because he engineering. The mind is the body okay. Robot does with the robot does and and you know any any supernatural abstraction of it is optional right whereas So where does this get you. You're you're you're sitting there in your zero gravity chair with your goggles on and your thing has crashed. And you're just sitting there waiting for the thing to rebuild and you're thinking to yourself. Hey i should get a hot dog. Stand and i can. I can buy hotdogs for five dollars. A pack and i can sell them for a dollar a piece in their six hot dogs in a pack so i can make a dollar on each one of those hot dogs can meet people and maybe i'll fall in love with one of them and and and i should. Yeah that'd be cool and then you think that's the logic there and then this next thing that i almost accidentally did said was active next. Brilliant insight the brilliant inside of actually doing it right. Yeah and that's gets dangerous. Well no it's just an additional insight. Yeah the additional insight from just idle dreams about doing something and then the actual doing of it. Yeah and now. You can live a more daydreaming. Way where you just are constantly doing the experiments and then find out all kinds of weird practicalities that you know if you you know anyway. Just just kids like the idea of actually doing so. The brilliant site was to actually do it right. But you'll do it naturally. Like to a tiny village. You will naturally do that because you know it's like where's the cheapest land. Cheapest land is rows and have an expensive building on it doesn't have and then it's like we were electrical. Yeah do i need. Okay well I need I don't need electrical right. 'cause i can use solar panels and younger banks yup. Do i need water. No will this is california right right. Water is a big issue right. Got to save water. Well there's no reason to poop in freshwater and then send it out the bay where the exhaust sewage even plants. Don't even you know. What does it mean to treat it. You know very little account rainy right. Yeah like half of it goes right in the bay so you know and you know right right here. Berkely ecology ecology center They've got this. You know sawdust bucket system which is perfect for fat pathogen control and uses no water. So you know you get a little bit of knowledge in a little bit of logic is like what is the purpose of toilet. It's to keep cholera out of your right. You know and what are we. What are we doing. We're trying to create places for people to sleep steady eight hours a day and trying to have enough energy to charge our computers so we can learn more. Yeah you we don't need to send late like we don't need to like put a like a third of what goes into. Landfills is construction debris. You're right this is like these houses like they're thrown away a third a third of what gets thrown away pieces of houses right. It's a lot of nasty toxic stuff that you know you know you're required to use it like berkeley transfer station. Won't even take pressure treated wood anymore. So so actually doing it. We will with like. It's it's like the most obvious thing in the world is rent the cheapest land and put the cheapest accommodation on it. And what are you trying to do trying to not wastewater trying to not weights electricity. Trying to not you know. Turn things on when it's burning coal and destroying the planet somewhere else so minimum consumption sustainable practices and it's logical and it's cheap. It's cheaper and better you know in the order and it's like at least an order of magnitude better right and then okay. You want to get more people. Okay you snore. So he's snore. No no people snore. Oh really hello. I snore anyway go ahead. I don't believe it you would never do. Such a thing is so then. You need some sleeping some sleeping. Can enclosures sitter soundproof enough. That will on persons snoring isn't gonna drive other people nuts and i guess we can talk about sex go. I don't want to talk about you. Wanna talk about sex year old school all right well kids someday. Someday you might you know. Get a dumb idea of experimenting with sex and then you might want a little bit of privacy. Where making those horrible mistakes but you but you have to you have to at some point pay for the operational costs for this and you have to create a framework of of charging people money. Maybe you've got some friends bunch of people you really like. If you wanna put in yeah right so you of course you want them to do this too. So that's brilliant logic just pushed you into this situation. And you just couldn't resist actually actualising this logical path. You find yourself. Was the first time that you did this at the oakland site or or was where was the doing flavors of this. You know my whole life okay. Mic sense You know and and Out in nerd culture it standard. Right you got your. You know you've got your your clubhouse your friend's house or your your ai lab. You know the standard layout is conservative court. You've got a common lounge and then you got your little cubicles around it Yeah and Why if you're doing what you want. Why would you stop doing what you want right. You're doing what you want there. So you do it until you can't physically twitch and then pass you know you go to sleep right okay. He pack repeat easley. Yeah but then you run into but that's fine because you've got to institutional protection right. You're right yeah you're at mit kinda of you. Run wild or wherever you know you know. Most places are not mit. most places. If you're sleeping if you're sleeping in your grad student cubicle you might be the only one doing yeah. Everyone else is out. I don't singing karaoke or something. Yeah no i heard that. Sf state they a. There's like a whole community of people that just sleep in the libraries these days because because of the housing crisis but anyway well you know sleep. No one has ever done anything bad while sleep. Yeah right who's you. Who is the worst villain in of history. That's a that's maybe that's a good name of name of villain from history adam a villain from his villain from history. A bad person that can commonly conceive to be bad person. I know you don't like wendy. Kissinger henry kissinger those auster. He is incinerated innumerable infants right. Yeah and and told a few lies. He didn't do any of that when he was asleep. Right fair enough. Yep henry kissinger should have been allowed to sleep more okay but you run into the codes the zoning the this this framework of rules i don't will you did and you are right. That's only when. I help people well but even but even though i can do it myself because i was i've been living in fear and hiding you all over the world for a long time. I don't naturally do stuff. Yeah they gets me in trouble right. It's it's when i invite other people in right and then they're wearing a bathrobe hanging out their laundry or just doing a different pattern right. I've i've got you know. I've i've been you know had cops wake me up. You know security guards. I've been given the whatever the the bum rush. You figured out how long how to stay away from the boys in blue. I've had plenty of time and well not all that much. Because i'm a quick learner and it's like well you know do you know. Do what bums do. It's like on the edges of things wrestling where you're not seeing low impact. You don't have light. Don't have a fire you know. And that's it's easy. Bump camp dog bump camped all over the world. It's it's easy right. You know you do that. That's my pattern but you know somebody else who thinks they have the right to do stuff. They'll get you in trouble you know. 'cause they'll they'll leave their lights Whatever they'll do all the stuff that got you in trouble. How did he get you in trouble. How did we get in trouble. We got in trouble because somebody called us in which i think is what happened. A neighboring recall neighborly neighbor a neighbor who we were running the best for everyone. Yeah and we were so close to that person and we gave them so. Many gestures of neighborly neighbor neighborliness and They just kinda had say. Why mental landscape No no Well i mean. I could deduce it from the way. The conversations drifted to more Like less friendly and more like you're the bad guy around kind of the upswell of of Of black lives matter. And the fact that i started working at a tenant's rights organization and this guy's very landlord centric and You know saw me as the the enemy social justice warrior. Why are you talking to this homeless guy on the street. Why are you guys like so about this Your this whole like living low cost thing even though he's a you know he's a hippie with a van outside of his house and but he actually lives on the same street where you are yet just right next to. Oh 'cause a lot of the time. Like when i got violated in berkeley you know. The the grapevine was that she was some new lady that it moved into an apartment building like three or four blocks away and had just like i don't know thought that poison gas from the porta potty I made the mistake of putting potty there what did you do in so berkeley. Tried to put one tiny home in your backyard. You own a house a single family home. Nope nope. I bought a vacant lot in berkeley orca and I let And everything was fine. Like i had a year at there. Okay and You know i was doing my own thing there. And then i let henry yeah put his shingle shack there. Okay a little tiny. And then i made the mistake of putting a porta potty next to it because i thought that would make people think that read that. The people were just flinging shit everywhere from your experience in oakland. I'm guessing which was in oakland. The re one of the big reasons that elliott has the pu beckett media frenzy right. Yeah of of whatever year that was there was also that was in twenty fourteen and there were two thousand fifteen the winter between but there was also. I heard you guys were using fish emotion to do soil remediation but the smell was what people thought it was all geniuses their poured it was all jeans and so okay so west. Oakland has So much lead in the dust. Wipe off your face. That and that's the dirt like the yard had no dirt in the yard and said it was lead dirt that we scraped off. That was what blue in off the air interesting. And that was fifteen hundred parts per million. Okay don't don't trust me on that but it's in a in a shovel full of dirt. he did you guys do soil tests. Yup yep okay. Soil testing dot com. It's fantastic heavy metal test for fifteen bucks cinema one pound ziplock of dirt. Oh that's how much university of umass amherst raise their prices. They used to be the cheap test. That's where i've done it simply soil. Testing is the cheap heavy metal test. Okay i'll try and Yeah i think it was like fifteen hundred parts per million so in a twelve pound shovel full of dirt. You can get enough lead to make us seven or nine. Gram nine millimeter bullet. She's like there's like per shovel. Is how much lead is blowing in the wind in west oakland red and like the most intensive five thousand five thousand parts per million lead that's at Shoot that place. Just south of the bart station and And that's that's that's a handful of dirt has enough to make a bullet nine millimeter bullet crazy. So what binds. Lead is phosphorus fish fish bone. Meal has as phosphorus fr. So my buddy had a project doing i got. I got a whole lot of that. Yeah and the problem with surrounded with Good kids and geniuses is. They don't put things back. So there's there's kind of two people you know. There's there's two kinds of people in the world you know. There's the ones who grew up playing spy. Ah they were snooping around in their parents stuff and put. Every because they read some book about spies spies have to learn. Could everything exactly back and then they practice that it makes them really. Good co workers back right. Then there's the other people. Yeah you know like your typical tweaker right. Where they just opened you can tell when they've been there because all the doors are open right they just ransack and move on. The doors are opened. Nothing's closed for so you know a typical gifted child who becomes a grad student. You know and takes adderall for a few decades kind of a tweaker okay. They don't see that all right. So so i brought these. I put this stuff in bags and buckets right. And every time i looked at it again. The lid was open Right and there's a smell some. Someone forgot what was in there and decided to look again or they opened up the bed. You know these and these bags of cloth go look. It's a bag of cloth cool and then. This bag of cloth is like gets reigned in bag of soggy cloth. That's not nice. So that's what happened right and that that that got neighbors to call and that and that's the mechanism. There was a smell right. there was a smell. Yeah so but you're doing wait being way. Too charitable came back to this berkeley experienced lady. Just thought that you know okay well. Apparently she thought that poisoned that the porta potty would make poison gas there would hurt her blocks away while so but but but the way it works as she calls into into the planning office like idea. I called in the planning office once i wanted to know about. Some project was going on. I said they said do you wanna complain. I said no. I'm just curious about it. Can you tell me about this thing is like like. Let's let's start a complaint. Let's start a complaint process. You wanna complain. Let's let's get that going. Yeah okay tell me about the address. This is like no you know. They really want you to complain. I don't know why well i mean. Because then they have. They have discretion right if they get enough complaints it just increases their power and this is a reform it used to be they out they used to be out there. Just like you know unilaterally see you know putting the evil eye on everything and just deciding for themselves which they still do especially since there are a lot of nimbies niches everywhere just call and you know serving the evil eye. Well this is what. I really wanted to get at what. This conversation is given your experiences. Your your intimacy with the system. How would you rewrite it. How how should this be changed. What should happen because there is. There are bad actors or people that need to be reminded. Hey your fish. Emotion is stinking up the joint like put a lid on it but does it have to be in a way where you get these crazy sets of thousands of dollars of fines and then a lean and then a warrant to come remove and put it on your bill. Okay kids get out your lying notebook. And you're five sharp pencils in case one of them breaks. Because i will now explain how to solve. Humans problems problems humans. I'm quoting for all the hues all the problems. And if you know if you wanna you know right right me in as like tyrant ruler of the world. I can tell you exactly these exactly. What policy you're going to get. I'm giving you the tyrant magic wand right now you are now here. It is the world okay copy. What works copy work copy. What works okay. So find someplace that doesn't have this problem and copy what they're doing code enforcement wise. Everything makes sense everything. Yeah okay so that that is the answer to to redesigning but it seems like this is how it works. Well at least in america it's everywhere it's it's a complaints and then they have to their legally obligated to look into it and if they know they're not the they're not legally obligated to do anything. There's no law requiring them to to be used as tools in neighbor disputes right. There's there's not and that's what it is. It boils down to tools in neighbor disputes. Because well not even neighbors right. People can walk along. Ten thousand people looked into my yard. They're released right and none of them. Either they thought it was also or they didn't know her well what it was. They had no opinion right. You can have ten thousand of those like for ten years or five years or whatever right one person calls in and then if they feel like doing something about it they'll do about it now better for them if they get ten thousand complaints because then they can go back to their old arbitrary power thing of just doing whimsical enforcement which is like having no laws at all. You know having too many and selective enforcement that's arbitrary power. they can go through. These books. Like oakland raiders. Illegal to wear mass. Fill legal aware masks in oakland. Right is it. I ended and you're required to wear masks oakland. Also know it's right there in the ordinances. You can't whereabout a mask without a permit from the chief of police. Really yeah interesting. I didn't know yeah. They've got all the all these berkeley's got all these rules you can't you can't change the color of a chicken rabbit. Yeah so they. Would you like to so which of these problems. That are desperate. That are desperate. Young children. want to assault. Well i did we address. Well i think. I think some practical advice. Because we know that this stuff isn't gonna. I was thinking bigger picture. And i i guess i got. I got the answer bigger picture how to solve this is to scour maybe look at scandinavia's where i would start and see or look at manila alexis. No poor countries. Yeah people people where the artists are working within the constraints of great limitations. That's where the great art comes from and you know and maybe look into place with really great climate. The point is like how do you get to a place where people moving moving by logic are able to create logical things Even if they contradict previously constructed rules And code. So i had a. How does that. How does that like privacy. Hashed out in a way. It's not privacy. Yeah just don't let them see it like if you're if you're if you're if you're existence existences an abomination to them and they don't see that's fine with the tiny houses. They can look through the fence right like when you do it in a warehouse. Then they have to do the scheduled inspection. So there's this strange thing where your your you know. Your house is your castle. But you're wall city. You know your yard. It's not a walled city. But i don't know. I think people push back on privacy because they would be like all right. We'll you've you're doing something How how did push. They can't push against it and if they don't know about it like all those warehouses that we know about where people are living in tiny houses because they got rousted out of yards because they were visible other warehouses. Were they're not visible right. You know and that's why ghost ship happened that's go. She would always artists and hipsters crowded into that thing. 'cause oakland had those two thousand vacant lots and they were every last. One of them was vacant because the enforcers violated the owner with horrendous fines unless they emptied it right right under the logic. This we say it's vacant therefore you must vacate it. Yes right. Oh i love that logic. Wait so yeah i see. So you're saying privacy is the practical solution. Yeah you the word you know. If you can closet yourself you can be as gays. You want right every anywhere in the world as long as you stay closeted right. Yeah that's where that's where i. I like the term ninja. That's why i get a gilly suit. Get a nice gortex. Geli suit is lay down anywhere solve right but you know it's frustrating is like they have a rule against that You can't have offense more than six six feet but you figured out a pretty cool oakland. I already inches and transparent. Yeah you got to be able to see through it two inches. Which is that's that's you're required to have a for. A railing is forty two inches. Okay a wrist forty two inches right from falling off it. The fence is really a railing Because that way the cops you know can protect you better. Of course you can ask any cop. Yeah about whether they are able to protect anyone or whether that's no they go afterward too. Yeah yeah clean up the mask. We'll be there in four hours. Maybe take pictures of the you figured out a way though to get around the fence Defense requirements by by still creating privacy. Oh you can grow. Yeah yeah yeah you can. You can grow plants right right and you can you. Let's get everyone loves plants. Yeah and you can. You can cheat by putting loves animals. You know 'cause cain and abel you know kane grew plants. He was evil able. He had animals. He was loved by god. But then cain killed abel the plant. Grower my days out of control revolt plant-growers okay. They triumphed over the animal lovers archive in the bible. It's funding it's it's it's foundational. I know i should go. This is why we we need to hide behind plants. Yeah that puts us on the on the right side of these in real quick. I think you did a really brilliant saying In in one of your oakland sites where you were able to elevate the bottom of the plant in a pot right at the basically top of the fence lines so that the stocks go even higher the best strategy be commercial. Don't be residential you think. Commercial commercials commercial commercial with privacy is good kids commercials diverse activity. Also it's while it's not really necessary anymore because now we can. Just i don't know do tiktok dances and and by everything from china so money exactly so no one there. They don't need to be any businesses here anymore but No kamarck commercial is much better regulated like by better regulated. I mean the regulations are less insane. Yeah so you know. Living in a commercial space is a good way to do it. So we're in. We're impractical territory here. Which is good. I think you you've learned some things about so go commercial. If you do privacy get get a high fans so gaining commercial so oakland You know if you don't have a fence already and you build one yeah forty two inches and transparent right. It's gotta be and believe it or not. This comes from a book called defensible space. Now when you're looking for defensible space there are other things also call defensible. Space is like fire fire protection. Planners don't read books you know they don't know there's already. A book called defensible space about the effects of architecture on behavior. Okay so but oakland has they have some some of their rules are based on the pseudoscience from the defensible space. Some of which is completely true. Even though it's you know the scientists bad the conclusion some of them are right. It's things like have no more than twenty people. Using an entry way read have an elevated porch that things up so the building seems to be looking at the sidewalk basically to take all the people who live in the air make them feel like they should be there and any newcomers are feeling like somebody should ask them whether there. And you don't have a diffusion of responsibility whatever's you try and have a. It's a it's a it's like a funk swayed architectural zone defense. Gotcha where you don't have these edges and eddies and things that that collect neared wells interesting. Yeah so that's that's defensible. Space and one of the things is they noticed that In play that in places with low crime there are low fences so of course if they get rid of all the fences than there will be no crime. What's the logic behind that the low. Why well pinkas places with low crime. They have low fences in their logic. Oh it's because oh it must be because people in those houses are staring at the street and are like yelling at troublemakers. And tell them to go away or they can see what's going on better okay. That's the theory actually in places where there's no crime people don't bother with a fence right right because they don't know of anybody who's been harmed who could have been less harmed with a fence so they don't whereas if you read the actual book a little bit more it says that in places where you do not have is on the street you want a high physical barrier so in the alley which is like everywhere at three am. There's nobody there right. Yeah so to really comply with defensible space doctrine for fences. Yeah you should have it like with hydraulic cylinders to raise and lower it. So it's a forty two inch friendly railing during the day and then it's like an embassy wall at night. Yeah that's defensible spring and that's so if you get if you spend enough time at the planning counter it oakland though eventually pull out their guideline book which is not code rail so they also have guidelines that they used evaluate your thing. And that's that's just something. I guess they have a little team spirit Yes man festival where they get their favorite xerox's from architecture school And and make a bunch of guidelines that they don't say you know we don't looking online for are getting our permits for whatever. We don't see that. That's what they use to evaluate it so there they say you know and it's you know fences are a really big deal because we wanna we wanna get on free on we want to get on you know raw land and be good for the planet and one way to get away with that is to not make people have to see it right. Yeah 'cause they don't know the difference between poor people and sustainability turns out poor. People who can't afford a lot of resources are sustainable. So do also. Do you know less resource intensive stuff right now so K so that's you can ask for those and look at in their about fences. It says that the fence should not draw attention to itself. It should be consistent with the character of the neighborhood. You know it should You know should be forty two inches you know should do none of the functions that we actually need a fence and like go look at a police department. What kind of fence do they have. Low fences reduce crime. Maybe they get rid of their. You know their green zone barriers around themselves. Do you do you wanna get into some of the the horror stories that you've had to deal with just for for folks that are considering this stuff like what's the i feel like you've experienced some of these worst case scenarios in my mind. The what what. I understand to have happened in oakland where you were basically told. Hey you can't do what you were planning to do with this land that you now own and you're paying a mortgage on And you had to sit on that for a couple of years Talking about cognitive dissonance. From i might be injustice had illogic. Yeah i mean. I'm talking about like not just like the the the pain of trying to do something that you're that you're passionate about. That's logical like you said and being forced to stop but also the financial burden that put on you I don't know if you want to. Oh well that. I mean being a kid being being a kid is a nightmare. You know. that's what you're i mean. I don't know vivid. Or how detailed your memories of being a kid are being a kid is a nightmare. Because you're trying to do stuff being told no you can't do that. Stop doing that. And then they tell you a reason. It's baloney right right and it's a really good preparation for life. That's yeah it's just all day long you're being told to do stuff and then the lodge the might it might be good but the reasons you're told her baloney especially when you when you have the deep knowledge that you have you done the research bratty kid. Yeah yeah there's like. I i ideas as a kid are good or bad. You know you're still be you still get the same treatment. You're told to do a bunch of stuff right and there's no but as a as an adult kid that i think you're pointing to that you are which i think is great. You have you can go. Hey like look at the look. At the science behind composting or look at the science behind fencing. It there's no mechanism to to go to these these authorities and say like you know have a court of law or something in a trial and present amac. The mechanism is showing up showing up showing up like in occupy right. Two thousand eleven like. We're yelling at city hall. Yeah turns out. The city hall was having a meeting already Like and it's open to the public and the velvet chairs telecasters. You can see really whatever they have the monitors you can see like what we're trying to say things to this government and there's already this nobody's showing up to that thing you know and they've got the velvet chairs and they want us to be there and maybe they aren't going to do anything about it but anyway it's like it's like there's no. There's no substitute for showing up the like. What is town government. Town government is the most democratic possible thing. it can't get any more democratic than that right. It's like who makes these decisions right. And whose influence right a council you know. They get paid nothing right. I yeah bringing up to five hundred dollars for city. Council campaign is a huge amount of money. Yeah and then and then. It's governed by acclamation. It's like goes until three a m you know. There's so much public comment. Yeah and the friends of the library show up with all their matching tee shirts demanding that they be allowed to put a slightly larger sign on their library than the than the sign of jordan's. Yeah and they make a whole 'cause out of that and they go to three or four council meetings and eventually they allowed to put up the sign on their library that says library. That's a little bigger than the than the vaping shop is allowed to have. I see your point. You're saying you're saying. I think i'm hearing you say like you know you can walk around saying you're smarter than these idiots who are pushing these stupid codes on you but did you go for a couple years and and organiz with a bunch of other people to push changes to push law changes and if you don because what the law is very unimportant here yeah like you know. There's there's plenty of laws you know. There's all these federal laws federal decisions given the rights to do everything we're doing and those rights are only as good as our lawyer right. That was what i wanted yet. Lawyer those rights is very expensive in a good one will tell you that like when when i was outraged i wanna justice mytalk to lawyers. You know there were the young idealistic ignorant ones said. Oh let's have you know it was a lot of fun having our legal hackathon and reading the codes and stuff who without without lexus and the you the settlement history or whatever it is hopefully you can get like like. You can't even find out which of those things were already invalidated by court cases. An oakland does nothing but losing settle cases because it layer won't take the gig unless it's free money right. Is there reason. They're so terrified of lawyers because they've never seen lawyer who wasn't on you know wasn't gonna win lawyer won't take the gig otherwise so is there a path where you were you. Go like lemme invest in this in these three hundred dollar an hour legal fees. Because i'm going to get a settlement from oakland that'll pay for that and and the losses of of dealing with this situation to begin with well there are mechanisms. There's you know coup tam. There's color of law like the if you look the. Fbi has a color of law. You know office. They are tasked with you. Know smacking it to officials who abuse their power in lake misconstrued. The law interesting They're all these. They're all their things but again you know there's there's there aren't that many of them. Yeah so but i mean what what you know you to city hall you get your twenty you know you get you get a bunch of people that go to city hall to the city council meetings. You know you are. What's there right. You are with their. You are what's being talked about. You know we'll go there already. They're saying all the same buzzwords that you got the we got all brainwashed. We got brainwashed with the trendy buzzwords that everybody is saying right and so we go up there. We say trendy buzzwords and they say trendy butlers. It's a love festival training buzzwords. Well you you bring up this point. That i think is is interesting to talk about which is like you mentioned that like city governments are very democratic and i guess in theory zoning specifically i said they are democratic as anything can be right. How are you gonna make something more democratic thana bunch of you know poorly paid elected people where it only costs them thousand bucks or something to get elected. It definitely doesn't end. They're running these trillion dollar like they're managing trillions in assets. Yeah crazy it doesn't feel democratic from that the us and its point. Yeah no but you realize that they've got a sixty percent like nii be constituency there. That's where i was going is like. Yeah they are representing democratic. We'd we'd lose even more and then the fancy twist is the artificial scarcity of shelter makes the craving. You know the desperation have a tiny house even more intense sophia. The opportunity to have the struggle at all is created by these conditions. Like this is not like people in. Manila are not watching tiny house shows on tv. They're allowed to have a tiny house. Rhetoric yeah third world countries like there. Isn't they get to do it. It's natural they think it's insane right and it and it is but You know there are incentives. Incentives are are real estate back financial system right river. You know you know the different street in california about whether you retire you not. Did you buy some real estate early enough. And did you get it. You know that is a little whether you bought in boomer crash but mostly what matters is how long ago you had it right right right. And there's so many people that are locked out of that as petty cabdriver. I mean. I was lucky to have a dad who had a job that can hold a mortgage or could qualify for a mortgage whereas a pedicab driver. You can't do that just on your own now yet to team up with people you have to team up. The sector investment is valid. Even if you're getting in the form of an reit right then the problem with any are reit's you which is a real estate investment fund an investment vehicle. That is supposed to do a real estate. Does you can't live in it right. So if you're if you know it costs you double. If you're paying the live in one place you know paying rent here and trying to hedge that right well. So and then the mechanisms of doing group by yeah like in japan. Now you can buy tiny little pieces of real estate right. Because they they already went through this. So speaking of copy what works yeah copied japan. Okay tell me more well. They had their you know million dollar apartment phase in in the nineties orca and then they had their bubble the bubble and crash and then they had after that you know the the the scarcity industry lost its power and its money and they did a bunch of sweeping reforms which is upper level code or its national zoning code on a whatever scale of nuisance okay. I think is how they how they do it. So you are allowed to live in a high nuisance area if you want but Towns can't stop someone from building apartment buildings so So you can build and you can you know they. They they solved like housing's cheap in in in tokyo. Now it's cheap. I heard even that you can get paid to take ownership to take stewardship of a of a like a dilapidated home in some parts of rural japan. I wanna say like they will pay you to come out and just kind of steward go on youtube and watch the documentaries there. There are a lot of documentaries. About how happy these foreigners are. They moved to japanese villages and are doing. You know some little business there. If i wasn't wrapped up in what's going on here and oakland that's where it would be. You know turns out when you have low population growth in lot of capital that drives up the value of humans Right that's been a big question. Yeah how do you. How do you make human existence valuable to it. Seems like it's not an getting less valuable all the time for certain people. Yeah human capital Where are we. We solved it all yet. Well yeah well. It's getting kinda windy. How's the wind noise. It sounds decent. I think i think we've gotten there Do you have other final thoughts around. I did i mean there was. We don't have to get into it but you had some really good stuff before we started recording about what's going on in the delta you do. You are at the moment deal announced. Nothing's everything is fine. Okay everything's great Okay you kids. Don't get a tiny house. Don't get a tiny house. It's a kick-me sign it's an albatross you know if you're gonna get a camper and strip it just keep just use it. You know yelled get some yellow foam and some and some colorful paint and just use it as it is and don't worry about black mold you know. There's only like three colors of mold and there's about ten million different kinds of mold. You know you can don't whatever you're not being sarcastic being totally. You know like yeah. Yeah tiny houses. Are there terrible tiny homes meeting. Wood framed expensive succeeded. These exotic jewel box projects that people never finish the cost of tremendous amount of and. Then it's a nimby magnet. You know it's you don't think you don't think that there's a future where go where homes are built like cars that cost like ten thousand dollars you can get them on payment like ours. Rv park next to me here. Yeah but they're built but they're built with with better permanent materials thicker insulation and then there's a ton of parks and places kind of like around places around here and the delta works park it for cheap. Yeah a four door value. No you don't want to be a speculative instrument driven up driven by artificial scarcity. No i think. I think that is part of a big part of the problem. Housing should be for housing and Don't wrap it up with investment Wealth storage okay. Well i'm happy to take the other side of that argument. So you're saying you're you well. The first question is do you think that that's a world that we could get to. Yeah with a. I think you can walk. Can walk there. You can walk there from here. Yeah okay but you don't think that we should hit. Kids are like living everywhere in the well. Okay so kids. Look for pictures of tiny houses. Watch all these talking. You know next time you're on an airplane fly somewhere to instagram. Your food Look watch all those tiny house shows on the on the airplane tv. Where are these tiny houses. They're out in the middle of nowhere right right when you see tiny houses in backyard or even in front yards. Then it'll be safe for you because you know you don't have capital you've got labor you need to be in a hot job market or to get a decent return on your labor you need to minimize your expenses. You can save it. Then you can start being a capitalist once you have some capital right till you have capital your labor and so you need to get a better return on your labor and you do that. Where labor is scarce one reason labor scarce as a place where housing is extremely expensive. Because it's artificially scarce you need. You know bunch friends in a warehouse where he can hide. You need to you know whatever. Just don't get yourself a tiny house that's an albatross sleep in your car. You know yeah sleep in a van. Yeah yeah yeah just like. Don't don't don't over consume this. You know like maybe. You got raised in the wrong kind of skinner box. And you can't poop unless it's like your personal toilet maybe can't sleep unless it's your own specific thing and you've got to have the whatever all this stuff like people do get trained that way they get addicted to these conditioned the conditioned stimuli for basic human functions. You can get crippled by all this stuff right then there. You are spending thirty grand on this tiny house right. Yeah or even worse building it yourself. In which case cost you one hundred grand because it takes all your time and paying for a place to put it no just exist. But you you you really. I remember once you told me everybody should get in and a tiny home. And then we'll force this role to exist that you talked about there in there in the front yard side yards and it's safe for safety for tiny homes for practical housing in To paraphrase jesus. Yeah those who do not have a tiny house. Go and get one. Everyone must get a tiny house right now. Okay and then. We'll have a bunch of people who care enough right once they all get violated. Then they'll care enough to go to the city council meeting right right right until then you know it's just one at a time you know. Yeah and we've seen this right. Yeah as soon as their needs are met met. They go into some kind of coma. Right right yeah. 'cause we useless right. It's like a non violated tiny houses not a political not a political anything. And i mean that's been the story of our community is. We stayed under the radar. We we of felt like we weren't gonna get violated. We weren't going to get asked to leave. And you know i. I've been involved politically a little bit. But i haven't gone to every city council meeting and talking about this every every month. Yes but now that we are now. We're being told to leave now. Were were at risk now. We're trying to get political now. We're trying to look up when the next city council meeting is and to show up. We got worse. it is better. It is who said that tim anderson every guerrilla leader All right well. I think i've had more clarity. But i'm also a little piece about where you stand a tiny homes but that's that's fine. We are fundamentally opposed. This is now a debate. Destroy each other security arguments. Ready next time tune in next time adam and i with jagged. If you've got eighty tiny wasn't it shout. Tidy lodging dot net.

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Jake Paul Plays Volleyball & Our Worst Episode Ever

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All brown wow. You had some fun. I saw on the internet. How much fun you had. Yeah did you love hawaii or what. I want to move. You wanna move to. Hawaii wayne baby. What job you're gonna get in hawaii. Yeah i don't know a lifeguard alive. They do by house with the lifetime by anything. You want to go out. Can you save people. I'll try you'll try. Look at this. This is this this gills at the party. Someone sent this. This is this was at the party in hawaii. Yeah everyone's having a good time and rooted you first of all who. The fuck sleeps like that. That's insane yeah dislike that. Do you always sleep like that. On your stomach. Yeah it really. Is it like thing you did when you were a little kid or something. When you like a baby maybe maybe have you. You've always loved one. You're the before life you were turtle. Oh yeah yeah. That's why you wanna move to hawaii What did you do. You went deep sea scoop scuba surfin you guys you guys sabre immortal no do you save the turtle. They served a turtle among seal dolphins and kept. Was it meditating. How do you know it's a monk because at the temple. I mean i was there. Oh so they call. They're called monk seals. i wonder why are they peaceful. Yeah they are. They're very peaceful. Is that one of those. They don't fight. They used to be violent. The regular seal survive and monk seals dome. They have no violence whatsoever. Buddhists wait this video. There was video of you on line where you went diving and you stayed underwater for like a good two minutes. No that's what it looked like. Yeah you can hold your breath for a long time. I was actually surprised. And then you went kind of in a little cave. Was that scary. No that would give me so much. Novick colline them. They're real sea. People will yeah. There will be no the islands there island that even beyond that. I think genetically there just see people you think you were born in the c. Yeah i'm a land guy for sure without a doubt without a ton of your land. Yeah do planned. D i land highland highland. You should move to the highlands. Maybe you don't like the water. No but they've made me go in there before you go deep dive down. I try what i'll do is i'll go. I'm going to do it. And then when i see them at the bottom. I'm already back in the car. So i'll go deep. Yeah deep during the bottom. I'm in the car playing some games on my phone. That reminded me when you when you dove down and you were. It was like in slow motion. It made me feel. It reminded me of made me feel how long the guy and octopus teacher used to hold his breath for you. Watch that didn't you. And then two nights in a row. Eight octopus it. It makes a good makes the tastier so good. Yeah we went to the korean barbecue place that you suggested and we had chosen. Yeah we did and we had. We had Two kinds of octopus. And then. Because i was with my friend emi emi. Yeah from the movie. Yeah yeah she asked for this thing. It's like a Octopus Potato pancake you know what i'm talking about. Yeah i don't know the name of it but you know do you know. What have you ever had that. Good that korean restaurant. Yeah what are you talk about. Korean barbecue is genuinely win. The best of my favorite meals really. Oh yeah thank you. Because i just i love. I love that they tell you what different kinds of meat. And she cooks at different temperatures. You finally the only thing i don't like is the people is the people the people are annoying. No the only thing. I didn't like of all the korean stuff was i. Don't like the The macaroni salad. The side bowls. I i. I don't like i don't like mayonnaise okay. Yucky that's like they bring on a bunch of different place now. I know the kimchi was good. Yeah pickle the pickles spicy pickles. All that stuff was so good. I love korean barbecue. Danville take me whenever. I see And maybe you can take this the wrong way but Take the truth. Is is that if i see a like like that the movie the cove Or the dolphins are being slaughtered in that bay. Yeah i get hungry for dolphin. Dolphin really weird. It's like i mean yeah look at all of that and all of that you could just put that new soup you scoop from the bay right. Boil it right there or you just or you learn how to make a cut a hole. It really is sad. Have you seen that documentary. It's not that it's pretty sad. It's really sad. But you know what i. I don't like her dog. Here's my argument though. You can hurt a lot of other things when they say dolphins are the smartest sea mammals. They are right. they have sex for fun. Then why like for me. It's like if i'm swimming into a bay and it's blood blood. yeah. I'm going the other direction. It's like a walking down and alleyway and you see blood alley guy getting stabbed. Would you go the other way. Keep walking the other way a hundred percent. So how bright are they really well. They're going to save their friend. They want to know what is he. Okay yeah there's there. Can they do a different. Noise differ noise. Yo don't make it a. hey man. why do how's that urban. all right. maybe maybe they won't hurt dog. Hey what's that dog see. Don't add dog. it's a dog doing it. A dog is killing. Yeah that's why it's daughter. Yeah i don't know they need different noise. Do your dolphin. That's really good. That's that was real good. Guess what don't laugh. Who'd you saw with dolphins. Yeah swam with dolphins and there was a baby. Could you stand on their nose. Can they push your feet right. Isn't that what they do. I did that in mexico one time. Yeah i don't. I was with them. You know what i do. Yeah write them you get on your. They let me. They'll stop right now. And i'll get on their back right. Did you do the blowhole. Well that's how i get locked into you. Write it backwards. Yeah you gotta get locked in. Yeah but dolphins are fun to ride. But anyway i wait wait. Tell me how you wrote. Did you hold onto the finns. Yeah you held onto the fans and it's two dolphins right in mexico. I know this was illegal. This is wrong in kabul one or wherever we were the guy was like. He's like okay he push with your which a food you put your food. He's now he push you. And i was like oh really that. That's not going to hurt. And he's now it's okay it's okay. It's okay yeah and then i slammed my foot like against its face. Why be no no not on purpose. Yeah but like to like get in there yet. Imagine a pale red foot. How insulting oh by the way and then. I had to put all this sunscreen and the dude was like you can't get it in. The water is bad for the dolphins. And i was like i have to have it. He's like nano. Maybe a little bit. And i was like okay ten minutes then i get in. He's always bad. And as soon as i get in the oil you can see a pool on the top of the water and he was like me going to kill. The daban is gonna die. Yeah so he's dead down. I killed a dolphin. I wrote him on the nose. And then i dip my shit in there and now he's dead. Let's be positive. Sorry he's alive good dude he went to the co ff. Yeah i drink my well I have a story that people don't believe that i did because i think. How dumb are you right and But it's that's why. I'm afraid to tell the story because it doesn't seem like it's real as you do so i was with colella and we were in a hawaiian trip but then we ran into of school of jellyfish bombs from the top of my head down to my feet. Were you swim and do it. Yeah what they're translucent. It's a school you can see a lot of them. Don't open my eyes. Want him in the water. You don't know. I'm like you know. I get scared is underwater. Yeah we wear a mouse him. Ask him in and we but everyone ran into him like you. Coli everyone right yeah. So we're with these two white do's and they're like ocean photographers you. You know know the the ones with the with the hot guys. That's what i wanted to say. Yeah hot guy is sexy. Hi guys like surf. Bros right so we were all standing around there. Like i go i. I'm so itchy. Or they were all to do. Just urine right. You have to pee on yourself. But i didn't know so what they did. They pull their dicks out these guys yet and they started peeing into a cop. Drink it will. That's what happened. So i assume what happened was no. Yes no so i go. Oh i'm not going to do with you guys. I'm going to go behind. So i went behind like a tree and peed in the thing and then i drank. It no came back. I saw them putting it on their body. And i go on the party and they're like would you do with it. I go and now. I came out. You know what. I didn't do it. It's in the body. It's in the body. You ain't held that story. I told that story stated no one believed me. I mean i believe it knowing you. I i believe leave it. Yeah good yeah. I saw someone get out of the water with a jellyfish sting and it was so bad one time. Use hugh like wealth it up their body. Your you didn't get you well. The manner. what's the big one called. Mana raised is a big one called the box. Jellyfish can kill box one. There's one called with an m look it up. No yeah yeah. I'm paul manafort the yeah that's him. What's it yeah paul manafort. You know him. Yeah jellyfish jellyfish. M m joel a jellyfish. What oh man. A war man of war. Oh yeah the the man portuguese nick. Click on that image looking. How beautiful that is. I feel like he died from that. It's cool that one you'll die. Will the man war for you should throw that in war people. I don't know why do they call it that but it sounds scary. Why do they call it. Man a war that is beautiful to look at the colors in beautiful. But i if you touch that you die right rude. don't you like that. We'll know if you touch the stinks up top itself. It's not that bad. If the stinger get you. You know what that looks like to me. Donald trump's penis not that donald trump's peanuts by the way he would take that spin. Golf course it is the most powerful judges just like my powerful penis most powerful penis that type it called mana work. It is very beautiful. The color's blue a beautiful. That's what they say right like the most poisonous things are the prettiest it gets. Its name from the uppermost paul. Up a gas filled bladder or numata music dress up the part that sits above the water and liz voice show That's cool. That's pretty cool. The dangerous the tentacles are the man of war. Second organism stings. Rarely deadly people now do do most deadly jellyfish. You'll most deadly jellyfish. I wanna know which one that aired is the boxy. Yeah the box instantaneously. It does yeah man. Look at that distinct. From about elvis could be enough to send you to davy jones's locker a watery grave wah. That's that's these things are so these things are so deadly that they say most people die from a small little sting. You looks deep in the water though. Well they'll come. No don't it'll come up. I mean come obviously goes down to look at. It is the eyeballs. Oh so wait a minute timeout. Though back it up you spent all that time in hawaii. What did you do. You were gone for so long diving snorkeling every day. Just diving and snorkeling and spearfishing. Yeah you guys loved spirits. What you do. I got thirty fishes which what kind the three where. What are they called. Corelli's yeah what is it caller. What is that. He just search it up but it's like a small one caller fish. Oh like that they look and you kill that guy. Did you eat them. Yeah was he good really good. Yeah really good. They look the cutest sea creature. What is the peach. Tell pizza we can pull it up. Spider shell spider spider spider. Shell is spider shall is a so. Look it okay. So there's a shell right there right. Not that one. How cute. it's just a shell and apoe little eyeballs. Come how fucking what does it look. Look what it looks like outside of its shell. It looks like shell no. I like it in the shell. Do spider there. No do outside of shell. We eat that you do why it's cute they are. You can't eat them. It's gonna is out there what that is. Just it's like a conch. Shell conch shell. But the little is coming out of there. But i wanna see the man inside it published is. That's interesting is to voting is maybe no body attached. You see you are the girl gerry. Good yeah what you in the philippines really so how you crack them open. They're like no you use like a needle and you stab you dude. Oh that's the spider show. That's what they look like what they look like. What is it called the thing that we're looking for it's not. It's not called the spider. Shell just look at the is focused on the eyes. And forget what's the bodies looks like. What the body looks like. Dad is cute. This imagine. you're just walking along the beach. Shell he's is sticking out there. You wouldn't eat it while these. I know savages now time out. Yeah let's say goodbye. Goodnight farewell adieu to the wonderful incredible at easingly. Talented at asna. Yeah he's gone. Do you know who that is the actor from up. Dc my photo with. Oh yeah you did the thing that i hate when people do when they post a photo when somebody dies like you ever gave a shit bro. Stops so annoying stops us up. Here's a guy you died in me very this guy died and i'm also here so annoying. Would i with annoying. It's showing knowing when someone posts a photo of the guy that just died like they were best buts but can i. Would you have ever posted that photo. He didn't die no holding onto the photo until he dials. Stop stop that's dead. Stop the way the reason why. I got the fucking fono. Yeah go. there's the photo bobby with with dead. Ed okay so did the reason why i got the photo. This photo is offering my twitter. So you i had already posted it. Sure and screen shot it and re post it. Yeah that's number one okay number two. That was my only encounter with the man. When did you. How did you see it again. I saw him before. This went so one day. I get a call from the country music channel. Cmt emt listen here. A little colder invoice emt goes. We're trying to do sitcoms. How about you dave tom. Arnold and ed asner perfect brothers just three bells but But three men and a baby so we were in a hardware store. Uh-huh okay and ed asner. I'm i have an accent in business back in the day when they may just do accent. Yeah my name. Is paul show or whatever my name which you love it. I love it. Yeah so they had. We only have pilot. But the storylines with me. And ed were like him and i would do what they wanted to do. Edgy the him. And i would do a cocaine. Ron in relate to work. That's awesome. yeah. I mean in this hardware store so i worked with him for three weeks on that while and then i did that talk. Show tom green. So i feel like i did know him. Did he ever say anything. Reach out to you ever again. No you didn't give a shit. But can i say this. Who know. they'll we low stop. Who's bobi low. Can i stop like booby loop. Stop stop do i know him but oh that little noodle us at all that little noodle booby no no. No i like him. He's good he knew. But i love that dirty little nodal. He remembered my foot. What so there. We go remembered your foot. He remembers how disgusting yet. My left foot was fun guy ghia so so. When i did the pilot he knew and then when i did tom green. Show without you remember. He remembered the footage in the cogos. Get that fucking foot away from. I love that dude okay. And then. Afterwards we went to smoke house. Love smoker right. That's you know had beef stroganoff So am i allowed to fuck it. Post a photo. No still no. Never that. No if i if i died You would you post a photo. I would post. I would immediately post something in right looking for new host bad asep. I don't think you were. Yes i would. That's ridiculous that would be my omar's to you. Know what would i do. Post all the photos. We have a together on my phone. That's i would post a photo of you and just underneath Captain would be endgame and gain. That's it already bad friends. Oh no but honestly recipes to ed asner you. Of course you can post a photo. It actually was so cute and heartfelt in sweet to to know that he was a big comedy. A bunch of people have said he was big in the comedy. Like new a bunch of laws and also. I saw this video that i wanted to show. This is the best. Ed asner sendoff. That i've ever seen okay. Go ahead no go ahead look. This is perfect his nephew. I think n- grandson posted this. I literally just saw it pop up today and it made me laugh so fucking hard. That's adler at all any choice. Words can you say it again for you to what a cool guy fuck. Yeah he is ship station all my god without ship station. 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America's number one meal kit all up dude up is made me cry on no hard. That montage you mean. You're vignette at the beginning. The montage calvin yet. It's called a vignette. It's a montage it's vignette google. It montages a montage a compilation of of seeing a series of scenes. Yeah opinion is what a vignette is something. That's it starts the film. It's a little vignette a little small slice a brief. But what i'm saying though is look of an yet it was a small one saying is month right is a bunch of scenes. A vignette is one seen the the up. I can tell you something. Yeah we're both wrong. Can i defend my points. We're both wrong. There was a montage in that vignette. But it's of in you. We did. I know what you know about odd yourself. No is a bunch of scenes right through their life. Right a montage montage. No no there was a montage in that little short film short film up top your short film. It was a short. It was a short. It was a part of the fucking. It's like the movie like there was a short film and the movies started. It was a little vignette. i can't believe it. I know there's a montage in that in any way and yet ever it. Is that thing the vignette. The montage was incredibly incredibly montage hotel. It's vignette is thing. I've been yeah is like a sauce that go on salad so far off. Okay the vinegar you talking about. I don't know. I don't know what i'm saying. It made me cry. Can we go with the thing that the point was the point one was it made me cry. It was an emotional little journey. The most emotional vignette. I've ever montage every specimen yet. I've seen it made me cry. Anyone resting asner. Fuck that no. I love old recipes. But let's go back to the montage vignette you fans. Let's let's do a fucking paul is is that opening thing right a vignette or a montauk. We would have to ask fancy. He'd be the only one that would know you see these people identify film students. It see how denigrated and how he looks down a word a word that you don't know right so denigrating. What denigrated me putting down ripping apart. Listen okay see how denigrated he is to you all right so you heard it you somewhere radio. No so i see what you do what you're doing right here words and then you take. I know you can't do that. You're doing you imagine onstage. Say you bobby. Like when bobby was a little boy he was denigrated his neighbor. Can you imagine doing your set and using big words so sad that when you're wrong you have to attack in that way so you using words sad by the way. That's a comedy. I'm gonna pay you just using big words. That's funny jewels. You're grounded now. Listen what the fuck should go back to hawaii. She doesn't care too care. Rest in peace asner. We love you love you. I'm so jealous that you got to work with that fucking guy. Even if it was a shitty pilot those only a group of guys of actor that i want to work with. I think funny. What do you mean you said. It was shitty. I know but don't say it was a shitty pilot. Did it wasn't shitty. did it go. it didn't go and it was shitty. Who's you think. The country music station is going to pick up a show with me tom. Martin asner yup. That seems like a homeroom toss. It seems like the second. Yeah what shows are on. Cmt by the way. What's the city is dead now. The networks dead. It is yeah there's no more. Cmt how could that be country. Music channels huge. No dude nashville looking at that was a big show is. Cmt's still around as a network. Is he mta network. I gotta be oil. Just someone bought. It may be and they just only. Wow what as of january two thousand eighteen approximately ninety two million. us homes receive emt. That's a fuck load. Yeah it's still around ninety. Two million people have cmt that means it's canceled country. Music is go back real fast okay. Zoom in and. Let's try to guess with these shows are about this. How little we'll zoom in more. What's nashville about jewels. Do you know rich people. that's it i'm more. You got it. Dude perfect oh that's gotta be new because you know who those guys are. You know those guys do perfectly like throw a basketball off the wall and kickoff fucking golf ball through a whole though okay. What sun records. What's sad about. Go ahead i bet you. It's a lot like music. City sun records was a historical record. Company let her tell the the show. Sorry it's about teenagers trying to be singers. What's music city about. Get ready going to be a similar log. Line about adults trying to sing chrissy. What's broken skull about. Come on. let's go three for three here. Gangsters gangsters such an easier joke. They're easy joke would have been ex inmates trying to be singers. Come on come on your exist ranked if you sing. Thank you dallas dallas cowboys cheerleaders. Wrong with you. I'm on one today. I know you're hyperactive. My legs killing me is that what have my sciatica is going nuts. Do sleep at last night a little bit. I was thinking about you last night. Like what because a yesterday. We can't tell anybody what happened yesterday. Let's talk let's talk about a little bit. We can so yesterday. Bmc andrew showed up here exhau- both of us for some reason. Why would shooting all fucking day and we turned the cameras on and fancy of ansi sat there and turned him right off. Yeah why are we gonna use some of that right now. let's introduce today's rudy. only out of default. Yeah we we try. We try to find someone but we could a little little one. We should ask the little one again we should but instead we got in house. Yeah this is like reusing something. This is like You know. I was watching on america's got talent today some reruns and i thought to myself. Andreas he looks like a ventriloquist. Like the dummy or the person the duck the guy that does it like a guy that would like focus all his attention on it. Okay like let's you drinking. Can you do some ventriloquist. Or that's pretty good. That was actually okay. I i think i can do. It would move organs. And what's your name names more than i'm hearing. Mopus morgan says mope yarmouk organ. All right i. I too much lip on juries fancy. That's good is that good. Yeah this this. One girl named darcy lynn darcy lynn. She's like some young girl that want that. Got the golden blazer. Her years ago on america's got talent but she sing there she is. She seems three of the puppet. Yeah a wants to roll the world. That's really good thank you. Can you imagine that nobody wants girl she at the time. She was like what she wanted. Twelve but now. She's like seventeen now. she's forty eight. Yeah what a weird was sixteen years old. you know. She's going to start dating people at some point that you think she brings the doll to the dates. She think she's like i'll have spaghetti. Oh i know but you know so. There was a black a black ventriloquist when most famous ones. Who will willie. Tyler and lester tyler. Willie lester willie tyler lester. Using real yes. Yes so willy. Title learn lester right. One time. I was on the road with them when i was young. Were you open for willie tyler lawyer comedy store and they just put people together. Sure so like. I was just regular willie so this old old black i you made. Who's if you go to any like back in the day. They had ventriloquist conventions what yeah back. It was like eight up. was ito. Probably the shitty hotel like the hilton tyler. So this will it's a willie. Tyler and lester is is dummy dummy. Right he was the biggest one. So if you would go to a ventriloquist seminar convention half the convention would be just drapes of him photos of him because he was the legend back in the day. Right thinking how much pushback i got from knows. We told so he tells me the story. The opposite is no. It's a it's a push story. We're in the condom lang when you went talk about. It's like two in the morning after the saturday night after the show you will let me tell you story lester. Snow in the case in this case how funny in the middle he wakes up. He's i let me tell you so. He's in his case prophet right so he was would tell me. He told me the story where he would go on the road back in the eighties early eighties and he would meet a girl and he had to have. Lester propped up watching him on the bed. Oh my god and just so just luster would just be pounding away right there. And he goes. Some girls didn't like it. No shit tyler. Yeah i would've just if i was just like during just throwing it off the bed. Now what if what if some girls did like it though. What if talk dirty to me. And he's like yeah girl through leicester. Would've lester had a dick. Oh my god like willie pulled it down a little wooden pinocchio. Yeah she starts blowing. Louis is again you lega unless it. Yeah you like it like. That's so creative. don't by the way. Do your dogs ever watch you. Guys have sax now. We kick them out of the room. You do every time. Oh yeah because my dogs sometimes they jump up and you just gotta let them watch. No my dogs are protective over colella. Show they feel like you're italian hugging her right. Yeah dogs go crazy. They start biting at my ankles. Well you do look like you might smother her. Come on man. What if i you on top. And i'm a dog i'd be like the guy in the room the it'd be biting on my neck like barking. It'd be chaos do you. Do you guys have dogs. I do do you let the dog watch you guys hook up. No pull the my closer to your face rudy. Yeah you don't even know what to god damned a year for the fucking governable here is like i feel like we're uncomfortable with you there as well. Yeah yeah and we meandered for an hour and a half who so it. It got to the point. Where like an hour in we were both thinking at but like we never send anything And then eventually exit somebody. I don't know who said it but this suck we both. Did there was a oh. This is bad. And you're gonna really bad but we walked away from it. I'm glad we walk away from it. I think fancies energy there was was. He's getting this whole battle but this whole battle with george thing that he's got going on it's put him in a weird place. He's getting real cocky. He's wearing brighter shirts. He shown up a little bit late pizza pizza. Peter you doing almost all the work now and all of it save. It's dumped on me. Fancy is getting a little too fucking you know. Balloon headed about the whole. I trust pete more. Why do you think that is i. Always go down to an apocalyptic moment and you have your team your squad. Yeah right and immediately fancy would not be a part of it it well. He wouldn't be a. What would you offer. Nothing is not gonna complaining right. I mean all these zombies folks so crazy otto man is out there. They're going to buy my will you on it. You know how he don't he'll beat me. Yeah yeah yeah. Complain the whole. Get the fucking logs like we told you. Do we gotta start fire right. You know pete pete. Pete would like he'd come up with stuff like he. Would behead twos zombies right and you walk around. You know how they did in the walking dead walk around with them. Yeah yeah he would come up with things. Yeah he's a smart guy. He's a thick boy but he can take a punch. Yeah if we got into a big fight. Could you take a hit a hell. Yeah i used to box did you really. that's right. You think you can beat. Jake paul jake paul jake woodley last night. Now you said did you watch. It's a mockery of the sport. I mean is it. I guess. I don't know what is it anymore for me. It's it's your big boxing fan. It's not just. I'm a boxing fan. But i just feel like it's like you know. First of all he fought. You know on ben aspirin aspirin as well right before that end. It's like you know that's not their skill set right. I think that if jake you're tough enemy yeah but those guys. We need to train for ten years to get to the training. They did right so he doesn't he. He shouldn't win a fight situation. I know but that's why they say it's equal. That's that's why they're saying it's equal because these guys have boxing. Andrew jitsu in their training doesn't matter it because it's like imagine like seems fair was a pretty fair fight. It was a pretty fair fight but tyrone isn't using his skill set ground and pound. I know but neither but j. j. can can't do it so that's what i'm saying. So he's brand new so there's entering at zero. It's it's like this. It's like taking a guy that a professional tennis player in another tennis player going. I don't know how to serve no jail. We're gonna take that out. No that's jake was never a fucking it's like taking. This is taking a ba. A professional basketball player and making him play volleyball. Because that's an element of basketball is jumping right and blocking yeah. There's a lot of similarities. And then taking a guy who's never played professional anything and just trained to be volleyball player for two years and you're like go head to head that's exactly what it's like. There's only some elements of the sport of mma. That make it into boxing. And jake has none of the professionalism so he just been training just for one item so it's pretty even keeled. I know but it fight showed how tyron woodley is. His whole career is focused on young. He's a focused on just boxing. Right right focused on jujitsu. That's my take that away because then it would be unfair because jason none of that so it's only fair if they're both entering kind of i guess my question is why does tyrone and ben aspirin you need to do it. I know where the money all whites gross. But what are you going to say. If somebody came to you and said bobby we want you to do this. Corporate gig this corporate. Stand up gig on a fucking cruise ship. Nobody there is under seventy five and they're all white and they all and they are so fucking racist they hate. They hate asians. I mean this is called this. This boat is called the kong. Flu cruz okay. Right what are you asking me. And we're going to give you fifty million for an hour. can you come. And i'm known when a bomb. You're not just going to bomb. They're gonna boo up. They're probably going to try to attack you a little bit. You would do money. They're going to do. It's money those guys. I don't even know what they got. What did those guys get paid. Can you with that. I'm sure the the fucking check the tyrone was like insane in. I mean insurers discussed how could you turn it down at some point. You would've tyron woodley make. What does this one. Website estimates paul's guaranteed a million and will double that With share the pay per view. Money woodley half that he got a half a million for the fight and then doubling that to a million half the pay per view money is counted so he gets a million bucks not including all of the other bullshit promotions. Those guys are making so much money on the side. And i think that's wrong. It's not wrong. it doesn't seem worth it. What do you mean. They made a faulk load of money on that thing tyron woodley. Listen taiwo Woodley for the last four. Ufc fights he fought. he lost right. Yeah it was like. He's done that's why he needs this. I know but it's like a sad ending to an illustrious career. But isn't that don't we all kind of have a little saddening. I mean you do. You're going to end up doing bad shit when it's all over we all are gonna make bad movies and tv shows when it's all over. I do those now. Jumping the shark. I won't doing it now but is it. it's not it's like. would you rather him walk away. Completely from nine. Okay so imagine you. And i right. Yeah right and Let's suppose a lifetime movie came out to you. We'll give you a million dollars to this really shitty tasteless Yet a mean lifetime movie. Would you do it. no exactly. that's what that is not at the end of my career can figure it out. There's other things you can do he. That's why he's doing rod. Castro right see could've started a podcast or you his agent no. He's he probably tried a bunch of stuff and he was like fuck it. i'll fight. This is not even over. He just ended. It's fucking have seen. He must be a little bit nervous. He's he's jumping in the ring with this kid and i don't know somebody has to talk to him and go. This is not a good thing because he lost right. I know but you yeah. that's yes. yes but no but yes but look at it like this. You don't know his private life. He could be blowing money. He could be in such debt dude. I just heard a fucking wrapper on the radio. Whose name was young blood yar some shit and the fucking radio host was like do you know. 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Can i tell you what happened today though. Yeah what thirty six thousand. I was watching cnn. Because of the the hurricane ida is i'd i love disastrous me to the new. Well it's coming back right. It's gonna ruin the gulf is it. Is it nawabi. Also i'm watching the cnn's and I hear style. What stub stub ho stub. Like not from the tv. Though right my dog stubs is like sitting next to me. And i'm completely naked. Just on your floor. No just on a on a c. in front of tv in the living room. Oh i know. And i hear right so i go fuck like freaking out and look onto the fucking. We have the tv. And there's like a Cabinet underneath yes and on top of my playstation. There's a little white thing with the blue light on it the camera. It's a camera so they're spying on you. You'll penis on the couch all weekend. Yeah i was doing weird shit. What you've been doing. No but i. What i do is i'll i'll like put on the music put on the music right now. We're close right. And i'll just start main dancing dancing in the living room with the dogs and stuff who has access to this just colella or call ago. She's laughing and i'm like what's key talking through this little device sick. Yeah we've been staring at your weekend. Oh i turned it toward the wall. Good yeah we've rudy had to see you like that. I don't think it was rudy guy. It's like tell me what now i think. Why did it happen to other cameras in the. There's got to be why she need to spy on oats for just for the dogs. I don't know i don't know man. That seems weird. She misses you. I think it's the she thinks that i'm doing stuff. That's like scandalous. What would you be doing having people over. Have let you know touching the dogs inappropriate. Did you do something. You weren't supposed to do what i do. no-one lists okay. Yeah it's not animal cruelty. I'm feeding them. I just say that pop-up is that your dog texting you. My mom like. I'll just read you if you don't make like it's a bad thing i love it. But it's like she sends me these these poems. How i like the bombs however hard the day must have been today go to sleep with a positive attitude to make tomorrow's day more fruitful good night. That's beautiful dom fuck you. That's ludicrous stand with that means really because it's in english what is it. True in korean is also but she sends me and then she sends me this. The world can be amazing. You're slightly strained. To fact. I know but i don't know who these people are. That's the doors it. Yeah and then. It's like when you stray. Here's another one. Imagine if someone would have loved you the way you love them he could have changed everything. What the fuck you talking about you. Fucking giving her of your mom. Yes she listen to this. This gives her hope for the new day. No i love it but it's like does it do it. I never said her a like a thing back. You don't ever respond respond with just texts. Send her back upon. I love you. Mommy i love you so much. Let's let's write your mama palm right now. She's not gonna. That's the best part it's got to be in this style up. You got to put it on a like a me and we don't have time. Let's just make one up for her right now. Let's texture right now. Something sweet what is it okay. The so let's say let's get this. I feel comfortable with this. I don't know why it's fine. Anything grocer mean go ahead When life when in when when life when life when life interludes interludes with your consciousness yup when life interludes with your consciousness you must persevere. You don't wait. Yeah weight conscious. But their skull check from closer to let inter when life interludes with consciousness. You must persevere you must persevere until the warmth hold on yet you're right you're absolute push through now persevere. How do you spell it. Per p i did that already. 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Like you're whittling if webbed and it creates it creates battling right now this quite like and look at it and then but the the feeling inside is so empty yet sad. It's so sad and therefore like five minutes five min- just do this empty right. Do it's the same feeling when you come inside ejaculate inside a woman no it's not. There's an emptiness inside. Yeah but you don't have but you don't have to know it's not what does that is that every time you a lotta times. I don't feel sadder empty when it's over lake. When i'm over and i ejaculate i scoop some out and i still do it with my book. It's a little bit but there's something sad and empty about you know what i'm saying. Argh well no i'm saying masturbating a sad and empty. That's like when you were young and used a jerk off. What did you do magazine sock. What did you do the the the wall. I'm sorry my mother. My mother shoot on the wall for mother of all the places that would be like. 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Secret cannot masturbate to that really. Yeah when i was in high school were you. What were you thinking of. The internet didn't exist. We didn't have the internet to jerk off. No we there was a there was a how we talked about this before. There was a rock. Oh my god yeah the community would you. And my friend alimentos allen meadows. My friend alimentos parents. God rest our souls. His dad had porn the human. It used to. I know but in yours. What in your room. I would borrow his magazines. Oh those feelings. The excitement get emotional missing the old porn days. It's not just the porn days. Ill is the feeling of like just hanging out with your friends riding your bike. Churkin off together that to or like my friend jason hill. He was in a band called Louie the fourteenth them so it was the singer the but as a kid he live right down the street from me. So i remember jason He was in his garage. He'd never smoked pot before. And i brought my bong over hell. Yeah i was teaching them how to do it. And i just remember those moments as a kid you know. Yeah and there's a feeling like summers were different. Styling trust me. I know i'm smoking weeding garage. All my guts the coolest sitting on a couch. Smoking weed cigarettes. Yeah talkin shit talking shit mad shit. I missed alabama's. It's like the end is coming. It's right around the corner. Yeah yeah i mean. It's your fifty soon but the ends coming. I don't think you're going to die anytime soon. But i do think that you're reaching your taiwan tyron woodley years. I don't think so. Now you're right dude. You're heels different about the pop. Don't say that you're about to pop. But i feel like something different happening. What do you mean in society or in your own life. What is it as collateral pregnant. No that would be incredible as more to do with the business. Okay has more to do with the business. What is that telling me like your book and a lot of stuff you feel like it's just like talking about it but i will You love talking about it. I don't know what i'm talking about. You loved hyphen yourself up now. It's kind of like you know you have always had great opportunity. No i. I've known you bobby bobby i've i've i have. I have made everything i've got. Okay nothing came my way me. Nothing mixed drinks was show called. Mix holly auditioned for that far. I know but you write for it. That's my point yet right you. You always are right. No you're always doing stuff with seth rogan. All these things were no one thing. I got cut out of this. You're saying you've had a great life. It's been okay and a great career. I'm i'm just. I just want a tough road. I just want a little for myself. That's all you've been go ahead. So annoying know what you annoy me. No you annoy me at that. Yeah fuck montage. It's a fucking venue potash for sure. It's vignette right. It made me cry either way. Yea back pulled. Mike towards your fucking mouth. I'm okay. are you sad to be back. She's so bummed. You are said to be back because let me tell you. The response we got from having on the show was great. People love doc. If you wanna do you wanna take off in us make doc villain permanently now. You still want to be on the show. Okay okay. I saw you guys measure yourself when i wasn't here and you admitted that you were five to. I know what he was saying. Nobody you admitted it to stop. You admitted he was five. Three and i told them you're wrong because i'm an inch taller than you. If i'm five to your five one my point but but how do you think you are now. What's that because we've got some old roof. This is proof that you admitting on this radio show from years ago. How tall you are and you do a lot of work with chelsea lately. I was that girl be. That was me broke. Heroes remember. That was the movie entourage. I play basketball insanity. All that is what i'm a five to the admittance. You know you're what you're saying what you're doing what you know you're five to you said it for seven years ago. You knew it yeah. You didn't get taller bob. Bob didn't get taller. Bub bubby would i in radio shows and podcasts or is okay and that's a fact so you've never said a truth on anything no not really no so okay say it again. What i san ratios is a lie. That's a fact. What i say on radio our ally. That's a fact it's a fact print it because if you like for instance everything i say is a lie. That's a fact. Is that what you're saying. Yeah perfect okay. Perfect but what i want to. I can back it up back it up please. I don't know how i'll show you because it's the lie. Even my backups lies. I'm gonna prove to you okay. There's a story lady right. Angry boys girls three girls. Sorry you have no. Nobody has no. You know what that's from brady. Bunch pull the mic to your face. Even if you're slouch yeah no dude itself already. What's crazy is already. So happy that she's back they get so excited whereas jewels whereas and then she comes back and she just gets to fall into her chair. Yeah like those pot commercials when they're like don't do pot nickel-smelting into the couch. You know that stupid commercial. It was the first day. Call us today. did you have class. Today we lied to. Everybody told him you were going to. What new mexico. Where do we say. Yeah everyone's asking me about new mexico. And there some people in albuquerque. Were so excited to see you. How was the first day of class school. Will you didn't go right online. It was fine. No cute boys zoom while you can't really see how cute someone is on zoom kenya. I think you can do you. Not everyone's on one screen you swipe to see the rest of the people them all on one screen. Do the swipe to see everyone interesting. Do you think that they were swiping. Going all. that's cute girl or you think any of them who you were. I don't think is there a chat at all. Yeah this is chat. Does no one said anything like hey rudy. Joel's fuck but she did get recognized that the airport in hawaii hawaii really just by yourself was collide their client while they showed hi to her. Yeah i want her to be alone somewhere and somebody recognized because she was going to cancun. Yeah we're going to cancun by the way people need to go to bring colli. And i'm saying don't why so. She can have an experience with us. Oh yeah yeah. The crew. The crew will face. I know if. Don't wanna do it what you want to bring collided because you want a partner in crime. Yeah yeah i get that. She wants her. But i can. We be the partners. She doesn't like us like that. Yeah by the way but show that do you remember. We talked to okay. We talked to a band. Called the bobby lease look at this was posted on the red. It there's a guy. There's an enemy fighter named bobby lee. Who's a red okay. Do you know this guy now. Look at zoom in on this guy. He renamed himself bobby lido. He's read for us no no. That's his general. Not his real name. Is robert louis really get but i feel like we should support this guy you support. We can we bad friends can. Can we sponsor fighter. Let's sponsor this guy. I want to sponsor. Bobby lee fighter so if anybody knows. He's twelve six pretty good. There's an enemy fighter named bobby. That looks like he could be related. To santino. he's agenda duties for the nation the And twelve six and not bad. It's not great though. It's he needs quote six in like regional the scene. He's he's like local bar fights twelve six nine. I know if if you went to the you know. Like he have fought edson barboza. He wouldn't have ribs left. Well let's see what will go go down. What's his way class. Let's see we gotta get him in better. He's one fifty five. Oh he's lightweight not. That's not good. That's not good. No yeah he's got a sponsor on let's march because his career disclosed earnings zero dollars. Yeah he's fighting a saint cloud minnesota millions of d. a. m. van mo-. Maybe we can look it up. We can have. George look into it to look into but how how cool would it be if we sponsor fighter and we. He has bad friends shorts on when he fights with that'd be awesome great on on the shortest as bad friends in the back. But would be bummer. As if he continued to lose and then right and then the pat friends does blood on it and dry. It's all they take pictures to losers on podcast sponsor man whose careers going down. I hope bobby lee does i hope he starts bucking up. What's the other one Pete that you show me there's a slide guitarist named bobby lee is there This is a great so couple of weeks ago we showed that the cambodian army and they beat the shit audio okay. An india they do a phys- physical in front of everybody. Just wanna make sure that both of their one one two one two good nice stinger. You want to nice. Stick one to talk one read. Nice snake ratliff larisa. How weird that. This physical yeah they wanna make sure you got two balls and opinion. Let me ask you this. If there was a woman there wanting to be a part of the you know the army Would he you do it. He has to he would. That's part of the code. So twenty minutes on their l. Don't feed it where it is and by the way a guy following with a piece of paper yeah he just going down the line grabbing their peanut. What a weird. yeah. I wanna see one move. I wanna see one get a little booth. I wanna see one pop up. So bad how strange. This is part of their army routine He says that to them. Oh the other guy was like on. Let me check it out. Yeah i wanna make sure he didn't touch any of the other guys others. My friend jim by the way is it. Yeah how funny is it that these guys go back to their. Oh my god. He's guys go back like the barracks and they're like dame grabbing our dicks in front of each other and then all the other groups are like nobody wants this guy just do it. Yeah yeah his go back go back a little bit. He points to him right he points watch us. He's like oh he's he's just like my dad. You gotta do this in some countries just to make sure that we will reenact as george george come up here towards yet. The reenact the soldiers. We gotta make sure we wanna make sure saw. Your style is still built. Go ahead george camaro. We don't want to test out test out bobby to make sure he's good enough to podcast. George make sure. He's good enough to podcast. Nice and are they both. They're very good. You're ready to go to war ready to go ready to go. Well that'll be a meme. We make barely touched. We make that an nfc. Can we make calls touching nfc. Yeah we can do that. Fda i just some learning i know. Prominent f. t. but property non-tangible non fungible token. Do you know what i'm talking about google. Nafta you know what this is rudy. Don't you know what this is. It's like your generation and t. Look you can sell buy and sell these things. look steph. Curry just bought the sad monkey looking at steph curry the board eight. That's what it's called. And and it was a hundred and eighty thousand dollars all. It is what you see right there. He bought that he bought it. The right the right birdies. Yeah yeah yeah you can also like by scenes. Yes and like and like youtube moments or correct. Somebody could buy like if you and i. Yeah something they can buy that moment. No we would own the rights to that for they would have to purchase it from us. Yeah that's what i'm saying. We own the copyright but like we could sell a moment. Okay so look bored. Ape sold back in may point six eight ethereal and now it's worth one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. I get it but it's like i don't because we're not because we're old her. Yeah her older. Fuck pants sexual. We are pan sexual are we. What is pen sexual me. I'm trying to learn all this stuff. Can google pan sexual is. I don't know all those turn. That's why i'm i wouldn't let now learn pan. Sexual not limited sexual choice regards biological sex gender identity. Sexual means like you could have sex with an ottoman. i don't like an object. I think it's got to be human towards people regardless of their sex or gender identity. So you like another bisexuality. No bisexual is this. This says emotional attraction romantic or emotional attraction towards people regardless of sex or gender identity bisexual falls probably under the umbrella of pan sexual Because bisexual you like men and women this is saying you can like people if they don't identifies a man or a woman. Yup i think i think. What's the binary one that they have. Non binary on byron binary just means man or woman non binary means you know not binary means you're fuck in your gender fluid gender queer. It's an umbrella term for identities that are neither male and a female right. You don't identify as a man or a woman. Because when i was in hungary die. Tell you about this. There was one girl that is non binary k. And me and this other girl actress to meet this girl and my actress friend said we're meeting them. Yeah you don't say that you save right. So i go all. She's bringing french. No it's just her and then what we're walking to this place. She was like your main explained. I like i didn't know right. Of course i don't know. And then when i saw her i did a joke by what you said she her she she her while you did in the middle of telling it you already violated her. I fuck but when i saw them i said. Hey you guys funny write funny. He's i know what what i'm saying though is. Hey you guys is like it's like saying fucking you know it's like saying what's up you don't mean what i'm saying is i i'm saying is i wanna learn. I have no prejudices. And i will accept whatever you are whatever. These new rules are yes new things open to it. Yeah i guess it's so confusing. I'm sorry it's like i'm elliott. What's your name. I'm gonna call your name. That's how i feel. What's your fucking name. Because i'm going to get confused and i'm gonna fuck you fucked up four times half a minute if they go you. Emily is going to be there. And they are non binary and gender fluid and pan sexual. Yeah and so and so something something. I'm going to go i listen. I'm here wait to see emily. You see emily. What do you say. Hey m how are you. I want you to see plural. Emily's emily's how are you there. We go over with right and then if somebody. There's a weirdness. Knowing that i'm going to refer to you by your name if someone goes What does she wanted to. Emily wants tacos. Sco the name go to the you understand that your generation. Yeah you guys fucking did all this year. I'm confused with it. I'm our generation. We don't you know you. I we care. We don't care i care. I don't care. No my point is i. Don't care whatever you want to be. I don't care. I want you to love it. I don't fucking care we don't care. Tell me your fucking name. I know but we still i. I still wanna learn. I know rule but we don't by the way there's too many fucking rules look go back one slide go back one slide. Look look on an umbrella. Second fucking novel dude. It's a novel. I dunno right. Queer holly pan other by hetero. Hetero flexibility lesbian. Flexible hetero flexible. Yeah i had to learn all of your names fucking. Emily no all right. No i'm not saying. I'm see i'm being open minded i. You're allowed to be whatever you want. Yeah i don't. I don't the nuances are so fucking specific. I'm sorry fluid. What's what's a- zoom in a little bit because traction changes are might change over time hetero flexible that means it attracted to people of genders different from their own might occasionally be attracted to people of gender similar to their own so maybe by it's called may-maybe by that's the new one we just see by no no. Hey no all right. I'm hetero protection facts. lots of. You're hetero flexible hetero flexible. You can touch your toes and you fuck chicks. I don't get it. I honestly all it means to me. Is your touch your toes. And you fuck hetero flexible. That's okay i get. It can honestly say this. I have friends who are gay. I have friends who are by i. I love them all. I don't fucking bullets cutlet. Hey let's read some more up of zoom up above fluid attraction which changes or might change over time towards people very gender. This just means you haven't figured it out yet. People are us homo or you have and you want veggie flex. What does this vegetable flexible is somebody who eats veggies while they know it's called less. It's called lisbeth flexible. People are attracted to people gender similar to their own but might occasionally be attracted to people genders different world. This is getting too specific. Yes that's called sometimes bisexual. Maybe yeah it's shipped say sometimes my sexual maybe or maybe not again you know at the end of this is your emily right. You're fucking emily. Emily emily sometimes fox girl emily. Emily fox guys open sometimes. Emily fox girls who wished that they were guys sometimes wishing they were fucking girl sometimes. Emily will decide to be chad. Then say i'm chad today. Right and go. Hey chad right and then you had to be like what's up. Whoa but chad will only yesterday and chattel go. Don't call me he. Even though i will go by chad. Now go right. i'm not gonna call you fucking He or they are them. She calling you fucking chat right all day. I'm calling you let me ask you this though you'll about it I know. I know that we're we're willing to bend and learn these new ensure but how do you feel about how i just said. Do you really feel that way. Of course. I don't care what you wanna be because what if they want you to care. I don't care. I don't care about everybody that's insane. I care about the people. I know but if i'm emily i want you to care i emily barely fucking no you. Let's say we're good friends. And i'm leslie flexible. Okay right i waited you care about it. No yeah. I want you to care and i think that's the problem. Here's why do i care about your sexuality. Because i want to least important part of our friendship right. You're my friend okay. I care that we have cool conversations. We go to concerts together. We get high together. Okay i care that we fucking hang out. I don't give a shit. What kind of person you wanna fuck and suck and whatever you see. What i'm saying do see what i'm saying do you like you. Don't what your generation you don't care right. You hope people do their thing and be happy. I don't fuck your heterosexual right. Yeah are you anything else. Are you lesbos flexible. Maybe i could be or hetero flexible. I mean yeah. Maybe i could be hetero flexible because you might sometimes be attracted to women. Yeah okay so she's flex. I might be harrison flexible. You are flexible. You're bisexual okay. Thank you for being about what. You're my sexual. I'm hetero i wanna be federal. That's you can't dictate what i am. Listen i'm killing you. Do i listen. I'm hetero flexible sure. Okay okay good. I want you to accept that and be happy with that i would. I do accept this for everybody. But you why. Because i don't accept you and my my mom again. Oh what did your mom always find a reason to smile. She said well. Let's write her again. No because i think lease about this lease bob alright. Let's do another one here. We go ready right. The waves of time the way of the time may may shift the sands of our lives may shift mailed on may shift the sands of our lives shift the sands of our lives but they will never take but they will never take a will. Never take our freedom. William moss william walls you to end with a braveheart quote. Is that real william wallace quote. Are you serious. Yeah never take our freedom he said before it was just my head so the waves of time may shift the sands of our lives. But they'll never take our freedom by the way that's going to have on a fucking shirt somewhere. Good night. Mom will you write this your own please please ago. You're right. Thank you for being a bad friend to your mom. Thank you for being no. Because she doesn't get okay. I love your mom. Hold on thank you very bad okay. Are we knew address to things real fast and then we're done. What one bobby is turning fifty but we can no longer have the party. You have to say it. The fans wanted to having a party. But we're gonna do is the winners are going to zoom call with us. Yeah sadly sadly the restrictions are making it so we can't delta fucking delta book and delta. Thank you so much for sending in the video submissions. You know it's i. We've seen all of them. We sell it. We just watch a fuck load a lot of them. Yeah and i really appreciate you mixed feel good. That you guys are We have shaken. We're sorry that we can't have the party. it's no more party time rudy. Now that you're back you gotta end us again. Go look in your cameron. Say mama thank you for being a bad friend. Welcome back for twenty percent off your no right for twenty percent with no let me finish it. I gotta do this last one for twenty dollars off your buffy comforter visit buffy echo and her bed i let me say god laughing right jewels for twenty dollars offer buffalo for twenty dollars off your buffy comforter from louise's do you can do all right.

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