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"So yeah, so I go and I'm like looking at this body and I'm like, that's so dumb. I like took some pictures. First of all, the church is just beautiful. So like taking pictures around everything and I go back to our group because we're about to leave and I'm telling them, I'm like, yeah, I went up. It's just, that's so, I don't know. That's so weird. It doesn't even look real. And they're like, Jackie, you went to the wrong side of the altar. Like that is just a fake wax figure of whatever. You need to go to the other side. And I was like, oh, okay. So then I go in and yeah, I'll send you pictures, Megan. We should pull up. I didn't get a good picture with my phone of it because there was like a mass or like something going on. And this guy in French kept being like, no photos, no photos. Cause whenever there's mass or like a prayer service going on, they say that you can't take any pictures in there and there's like very small gaps. And I honestly was secretly taking pictures because I was like, when am I going to be in Paris again? Whatever. So I was like, okay, like whatever. But she's right up at the front and there was a whole group of people and like a priest was talking and I couldn't, I couldn't go up and be like, I'm taking photos. But I could see it. And then there's a pretty good picture online that looks like what I saw. So probably better than what I would have taken, but yeah. And it looks, it was really spooky because she looks just like when you go and see someone that's just died and they're laying in like at a showing or something, that's exactly what she looked like. And I was like, well, that's kind of spooky. And I forget when she died in the 1800s sometime. So yeah, that was interesting. And so that just got me thinking about incorruptible saints and just, yeah, like what is the deal with this? I feel like this, if this was totally real, this would be such like a proof for the existence of God. I feel like, like this is crazy. This is, if this is really this miraculous. So I don't know. Yeah. I guess I should share a little bit more about the story of the miraculous medal and the whole deal with Saint Catherine of LaBarre. So the first... So it's her body? It's her body. For some reason I was thinking it was Saint Bernadette, but no, that's the Lord's girl. She also is allegedly incorruptible, but her body is not on display. I saw pictures of her body, but I never saw her body. She's not on display like Saint Catherine of LaBarre is. And if she is, we didn't go there. So yeah, the story of the miraculous medal, which was in Paris and we visited the site. Apparently that the first apparition of Mary to Catherine was in July of 1830, when Catherine was awakened from her sleep with the soft whispering of sister, sister, sister. The conversation, the Blessed Mother appeared to her and had a conversation with her. She referred to that night as the sweetest moment of her life. Four months later in November of 1830, Mary again appeared to Saint Catherine at the Rue de Bac Chapel, which is where I went. This time, our Blessed Mother was standing on a globe with dazzling rays of light streaming from her outstretched hands. Framing the apparition was an inscription. Oh, Mary conceived without sin. Pray for us who have recourse to thee. When Mary spoke to Saint Catherine, she said, have a medal struck upon this model. Those who wear it will receive great graces, especially if they wear around the neck. Those who repeat this prayer with devotion will be in a special manner under the protection of the Mother of God. Graces will be abundantly bestowed upon those who have confidence. So that's what I could put images up. But around the image of Mary, it says, oh, Mary conceived without sin. Pray for us who have recourse to thee. And on the back is obviously the image of what I have on my wrist. And around that is 12 stars, which it goes back to the image in Revelations. I don't know. I don't know exactly if she saw it exactly like this, but that's what the story is, especially of at least this is, I guess, how Mary appeared to her. So that's the story. And that's what I learned about in my Mariology class back in the day when I also learned about Our Lady of Lourdes. And she's, yeah, that apparition site is also, it's much smaller. I mean, yeah, it's in like the middle of Paris. And it's this chapel that's visited a lot, but it's not anything compared to Lourdes. And I don't know if I've heard of any miraculous healings or anything attached to this site or this place. Like it's, I don't know, it's just not the same as Lourdes, which is super, we talked all about it. Very, very famous. So yeah, most of the miracles are surrounded like with this medal. And I did buy a medal from there, so that was fun. So that's the story of her. Yeah. Could you explain to maybe like a Protestant who is not familiar with like Catholic lingo, what the phrase, graces will be abundantly bestowed upon those who have confidence? Because I feel like that's very, it's very Catholic. Well, it's so Catholic. Yeah, I'm like, I forget how Catholic that is. So, man, I was not expecting that question because I just didn't even think about you asking that. But obviously, I just thought about it now because I like heard it. Like we wouldn't say something like that. No, you wouldn't. So obviously, like we all receive grace from our baptism and from sacraments. Oh my gosh, this gets even into like the theology of the way that we think we receive grace, which is so different between Catholics and Protestants. I have a question for you. Do you think that in the sacraments or in different like, like when you receive grace, is any of that ever like sanctifying grace that you're receiving? Yeah, I think so. Yes, okay. I think I could be misspeaking, but I do think that we as Catholics think that you can receive even salvific grace throughout your life, even from the sacraments, because we think that our justification is ongoing. It's like the baptism is the beginning of it. And I would say from from Mary, I think it would be more of like sanctifying grace from her. And if we were thinking, oh, you're receiving salvific grace, it's always, of course, through, she's just like a channel that's from Jesus through her. I once heard an image of like, like trying to think of that Jesus is the source of this like wellspring of all of this grace. And then it says, if you can picture like when you pray to like the saints or to Mary or to like different things, it's like from the wellspring is Jesus. And they're the ones that are like gathering it and like dishing it out on to people kind of thing. So we do think that there's certain graces that can come like throughout your life that can come from like receiving the sacraments repeatedly or saying certain prayers or having certain devotions to things that you will receive like special graces. Does that make sense? Yeah. So is it from wearing it or is it from like, like, okay. Yeah. But there's a heresy called formalism where it's like, if I just wear this medal and I don't care about anything and I just live my life and do whatever I want when I die, like I'm going to be saved. And that's not how it is. It's like when you wear this, it's a signif- it's something- it's signifying your deep devotion and faith and like striving to be sanctified and to be a good follower of Christ and having like an actual- it actually signifies a deep devotion. So when like when I'm wearing this medal, it's like this is a sign of my devotion and my veneration of Mary and my worship of Jesus. Like, so yeah, that's also something that is similar. You see people that wear scapulars? Sure, okay. That's- it's similar to that. Like wearing a scapular, they're like, if you're wearing this, you can't go to hell when you die. It's like something that people will say, like you will be preserved from hell if you're wearing this. And yeah, it's more of a sign of your faith in God. You can't just wear it and think like, I'm going to be fine if I just wear this and then I do whatever I want in life and I'm not actually a Christian or actually- then that doesn't really work. So it has to come with also great faith and great actual belief in like where this devotion comes from. Object itself doesn't have like magical powers. No, no, unfortunately not. Or I'd be going around, here it is. It's not a talisman. Unfortunately, yeah, this does not have any magical powers.
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"saint bernadette" Discussed on WJR 760
"On the holy grounds of lord's for 46 years. Sister welcome to women who lead. Yes. So talk a little bit about your work on the holy grounds of lords for 46 years sister. Wow. That's amazing. And I said it out humbly. Serving meals in the huge dining room. After 7 after three summers, they sent me down to one of the pavilions. We have about 6 buildings where the people who have limited our money come with if they couldn't come to the city of the poor, they wouldn't be able to afford hotels. So then I was thinking I was climbing the ladder of service because I was in responsible. That means the one in charge of the pavilion building. So I had different groups. I wish French Italian Polish and I was like a hotel keeper and I had to know who was coming, have places for them, help with the cleaning squad every day. And that went on for, I think it was about 7 years and then they gave me some other jobs. And then for the rest of my years, they sent me down in the main office of the city of the poor or in French CT Sakura. In town, right across from the grotto, that's the main stepping stone for people to come up on our buses and be a subsidy of the poor. So I was really in that job, the rest of my years with our wonderful leader who would die early last year. She was in her 60s. We're still we're still stunned. But it would be the people who welcome any class of people would come into our office, some are wanting to know where the city of the poor is, some wouldn't want to know where the grad always want to know how you start mass and so on and so on. So we were age and sub information. I would say. And so the rest of my years up to age 80, I worked in the office there, which is the face of the city of the poor down in town, and the other jobs we were right up in the beautiful mountains were many families as they were getting older they would sell their properties. And that's how this wonderful piece of land with about 5 or 6 pavilions or rooms that we would put the people up. That's how that has grown and grown. The community was begun by a bishop French bishop college Jean John Rodin, our OD, HAI M and he is the one who started this idea. And when he died, he was buried in a wonderful place right at the chapel up in the hills up in our upper level where many people come and they want to have mass there with their groups. So that's the bishop who started this city of the poor. So sister, I want you to describe lords for our listeners. What is it like? Why are you talking about the town and then up above in the mountains? The town has grown up with many all around the garage with the main place, all people just flock to the grotto where our blessed mother appeared to saint bernadette and I have to say to you after 40 46 years you never get enough of it. And the lines of people are kept in order by what we call the stretcher bearers, the men who take duty, keeping the line in order and directing us in and out of the grotto grounds and constantly people like any people like me, we go into the grotto and on our left covered by a glass we see the flow and waters from the gav where bernadette was told in one of the apparitions to dig into the ground. And so that flowing of water has never stopped and that is the source of the lure squatter that so many people want some taking home and so on and so on, including the including most of us. Then we walk around and we are under the statue of the blessed mother up in the up in the rocks as the best the sculptors could design as what bernadette was talking about. So up in the. Upper part of the grotto, we pass by, we touch this stone, we kiss the stones, and then these men are there to not let us stay too long so that we can move the people along. So then in front of the bridle, they have many benches set up so that if we want longer to stay there and to pray, we can find a place on those benches and do that. And I want to just tell you one thing and that I just adore seeing every every year. Every year, as I've sat there after I've had my turn going through the grotto grounds, I almost have a little envy that I'm not a tail in, but I'm close. I'm Lebanese American, and so I would watch these Italian women who would be getting ready to get back on trains or whatever and go to Italy. But before doing that, they stop under that statue of blessed mother. And out of their bags come these lovely embroidered handkerchiefs. They take out a plastic bags, they take those handkerchiefs and they touch them to the ground or where there's some do and they put them back in their plastic bags and I know they're taking those handkerchiefs home to bless this neighbor this family member and so on. And they have such a profound faith that instead of just keeping on walking straight ahead to out of the ground of grounds over the Italian women don't do that. They look up at the statue and they get their handkerchiefs blessed and then they keep looking at our blood and throwing kisses to her as they're walking out of the grotto backwards. These men are making sure they don't fall or that. So you see different kind of devotion sand that are so moving. And I wait every summer to see when the Italian women up here and you just know they have a profound faith. So you see some things that are just so homey like that too and it's wonderful. One thing I want to point out Anne is that on Sunday morning and Wednesday morning. They have what they call the international mass. And our group is slated to do both days Sunday morning and Wednesday morning at 9 30. So not far from the grotto. They've built an underground basilica. Maybe the size of a football field. So we go down in there and there are hundreds of priests that are waiting in the parade to come in and get the mass started and just thousands of people in these benches. Now that's twice a week and before the mass people may talking. In short time a priest will come up to a microphone and he just shows us and the obedience serverless, you can hear a penny drop. And so there's the beauty of the religious spirit and then the mammoth turnout of people and devotion. And that is a very, very special devotion. And sister rosemary Sam, I want to make sure that we also mention that the Catholic foundation of Michigan is going to fund scholarships for two university of
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"saint bernadette" Discussed on Discerning Hearts - Catholic Podcasts
"You come to get involved? How did you first encounter him and this particular work? Sure, I was at a house that was founded for discernment in Rome just visiting friends that actually Pope Benedict and father fazio and cardinal schoneborn. I had established for young men and some women who were discerning what their what they were hoping to, what determined their call as it were. What their vocational call is. And when I was there, it just happened to be the time when one of the women who was mentioned in this book now, saying Elizabeth of the Trinity. She was being canonized on that date. And I was having staying at the Casa. The rector of the facility said there is a book here you might want to take a look at by father boy a and he handed me the copy of women mistakes. And I thought, wow, this is really something I had never seen this. And at that time, and I had gone on a print, so it wasn't as easy to get a hold of. And I was aware of Elizabeth of the Trinity. And of course, Teresa of Avila. And tries a little flower, but I saw the names on there that I didn't necessarily think were mystics. Theresa Benedict on the cross. And then there was a woman there had wick of Antwerp, and I went, well, this is really interesting. And so I started reading it, and that's how I came across the book. And I would have a conversation with father, not a too long after that, and I would say, why is this book out of print, and utter amazement set it is? Well, we've got to change that. So that's how I became affiliated with the project. And gladly so. So I actually would love for you before we even dive into the book and the women mystics for our listeners, just the term mystic, especially in today's day and age, your first reaction might be if you haven't had enough of the Catholic perspective and viewing it through the lens of Catholicism might sound very new agey. Because that term, of course, has been, as many gets hijacked and is sort of given its own definition and what it means. But so just let's start there. Let's define what we're talking about when we're saying mystics and talking about who these mystics are. What does it mean to be a mystic when we understand through Catholicism? Sure, Becky, that's a great question. You know, a lot of times when we think of mystics, we're thinking more of the extraordinary experiences in the Catholic tradition anyway, the ones that stand out, we think of maybe padre pio. Right. And of course, people like Catherine of Siena, some may even think that of maybe saint bernadette, who had extraordinary experience of our lady at lords. But in reality, in those cases, that's an action of the Holy Spirit working through them to communicate what would seem to be an extraordinary message, right? So I met action of the Holy Spirit, does take place inside of us. And why is that? Because we were, as the early church would tell us, we were initiated into the mysterium.
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"A novena to our lady of lords O glorious mother of God, so powerful under your special title of our lady of lords. To you, we raise our hearts and hands to implore your powerful intercession in obtaining from the gracious heart of Jesus, all the helps and graces necessary for our spiritual and temporal welfare, and for the special favor we so earnestly seek in this novena. Old lady of bernadette, with the stars of heaven in your hair, and the roses of earth at your feet. Look with compassion upon us today as you did, so long ago, on bernadette in the grotto of lords. Oh, brilliant star of purity, Mary, immaculate. Our lady of lords. Glorious in your assumption, triumphant in your coronation. Show on to us the mercy of the mother of God. Virgin Mary, queen and mother, be our comfort, hope, strength and consolation. Amen. Our lady of lords, pray for us. Saint bernadette, pray for us.
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"A novena to our lady of lords. Oh, immaculate queen of heaven. We, your wayward airing children, join our unworthy prayers of praise and Thanksgiving. To those of the angels and saints and your own. The one holy and undivided Trinity may be glorified in heaven and on earth. Our lady of lords, as you look down with love and mercy upon bernadette as she prayed her rosary in the grotto. Look down now, we beseech you with love and mercy upon us. From the abundance of graces, granted you by your divine son, sweet mother of God, give to each of us all that your motherly heart sees we need, and at this moment, look with special favor on the grace we seek in this novena. Oh, brilliant star of purity, Mary, immaculate, our lady of lords. Glorious in your assumption, triumphant in your coronation. Show on to us the mercy of the mother of God. Virgin Mary, queen and mother, be our comfort, hope, strength and consolation. Amen. Our lady of lords pray for us. Saint bernadette, pray for us.
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"Discerning hearts dot com presents St. John of the cross. Master of contemplation was father Donald haggerty. Father haggerty is a priest of the archdiocese of New York, who serves as Saint Patrick's cathedral. He taught moral theology and worked as a spiritual director in seminaries for 20 years. He has directed numerous yearly retreats for the missionaries of charity. He's the author of contemplative provocations, the contemplative hunger, conversion, contemplative enigmas, and St. John of the cross, master of contemplation, the book on which the series is based. St. John of the cross, master of contemplation, with father Donald haggerty. I'm your host, Chris McGregor. Father haggerty, thank you so much once again for joining me. Thank you, Chris. I'm so happy to be here. I can not put down St. John of the cross master of contemplation. I just have gone back and I have reread your writing, but also so much of the writings that have been passed down to us by St. John of the cross. Thank you for taking the time to help break open such an extraordinary gift not only to the individual. But for the church, just for the church at whole, thank you. Well, thank you, Chris. You're very kind. I appreciate that. He has so much to teach us. I mean, when we think about his particular experience, he was someone that saint Teresa of Avila upon meeting him, knew she could turn to to understand the dynamics of the spiritual journey. And she needed that at that time, especially for the reform in the carmelites. To have priests who could help discern and to guide this emergence of spiritual understanding that was occurring in the church at that time. Saint Teresa of Avalon had she had her own experience in the Carmel of the incarnation in Avila and she had a strong inspiration also from our lord to reform the women's cloistered life in the Carmel. And she had already begun that 5 or 6 years was into that reform, but the carmelite order is also an order of men's branches as well. And she also recognized the need for some reform in the men's branches because of course they would influence her own sisters. It's interesting how God works because John of the cross was only a newly ordained man when he met saint Teresa who had something of a reputation at that point because she had begun the reform already had some convents established. In the reform and I think that she, she saw two providentially that this young friar only 25 years old had something special and eventually she invited him to be the chaplain at the incarnation, also we don't know how much influence they had upon each other. And unfortunately, St. John St. John of the cross did not keep or destroyed all the letters that saint Teresa of album may have written to him, and we don't have any letter of him to her. So that's an unfortunate loss in history. And John of the cross who was so keen on being detached and not being possessive about anything, he very did likely destroy those letters and if he went to purgatory for a little bit, he may have gone to purgatory for that. It would be so great to read those letters between the two of them. But for sure, they had a very deep influence on one another despite the age difference of almost 25 years. She became the author of some incredible books, which were very revealing about her own spiritual life and her own journey of learning to listen and essentially not only just to listen, but to share with the lord in prayer to be able to have that relationship. It is Teresa Avila, if I'm not mistaken, would say, talk to Jesus as a friend. In those times of prayer, sometimes she had some very strong experiences, particularly that she shared within the context of those works. So when these books were published, this was new era publishing. A lot of people were reading what Teresa was writing. And maybe thinking that in their prayer, they were experiencing the same thing. But and often the case, it probably they weren't there. I'm not trying to be very delicate here. I am approaching this subject because what we're talking about is essentially what people receive potentially in that divine communication. And John needed to kind of put some correctives on what people might be presuming their experiencing. Yes, and I think when we take up discussion or study or read a Teresa babila or St. John of the cross and also other deeper saints of spirituality, it's good to be aware or to caution ourselves that the great goal of our life is not to have mystical experiences and clearly sanctuary will recount some extraordinary experiences mystical experiences and extraordinary experiences of that nature, I mean, we think, for instance, of a saint bernadette with our apparitions at lords, there is a mystical aspect to something that extraordinary to have apparitions. But also some mystics have had visions Teresa of avala did and we have other saint Margaret Mary and others and sometimes they have locutions. Mother Teresa in our own time from the accounts of her letters and that in the book can be my light. She had some extraordinary locutions from our loyal to get the order started. And that may have extended over some weeks. We don't know, even months, and the first year of her mystical experience there. But when people read those things or if they have knowledge that of that, sometimes they can be a desire that not so much that we will have mystical experience of that nature, but thinking that that is synonymous will always accompanying the advancement in holiness. Or even union with God. And that's a misconception and St. John of the cross is very strong on correcting that impression. That really the great goal is not to be a mystic, the goal is to be a contemplative and in contemplative soul who is growing in deeper prayer and union with God, that in itself is going to be the road to sanctity. And it may have nothing of extraordinary experience of that nature in it. So John of the cross does have some
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"saint bernadette" Discussed on Discerning Hearts - Catholic Podcasts
"Discerning hearts dot com presents St. John of the cross. Master of contemplation was father Donald haggerty. Father haggerty is a priest of the archdiocese of New York, who serves as Saint Patrick's cathedral. He taught moral theology and worked as a spiritual director in seminaries for 20 years. He has directed numerous yearly retreats for the missionaries of charity. He's the author of contemplative provocations, the contemplative hunger, conversion, contemplative enigmas, and St. John of the cross, master of contemplation, the book on which the series is based. St. John of the cross, master of contemplation, with father Donald haggerty. I'm your host, Chris McGregor. Father haggerty, thank you so much once again for joining me. Thank you, Chris. I'm so happy to be here. I can not put down St. John of the cross master of contemplation. I just have gone back and I have reread your writing, but also so much of the writings that have been passed down to us by St. John of the cross. Thank you for taking the time to help break open such an extraordinary gift not only to the individual. But for the church, just for the church at whole, thank you. Well, thank you, Chris. You're very kind. I appreciate that. He has so much to teach us. I mean, when we think about his particular experience, he was someone that saint Teresa of Avila upon meeting him, knew she could turn to to understand the dynamics of the spiritual journey. And she needed that at that time, especially for the reform and the carmelites. To have priests who could help discern and to guide this emergence of spiritual understanding that was occurring in the church at that time and saint Teresa of Avalon had she had her own experience in the Carmel of the incarnation in Avila and she had a strong inspiration also from our lord to reform the women's cloistered life in the Carmel. And she had already begun that 5 or 6 years was into that reform, but the carmelite order is also an order of men's branches as well. And she also recognized the need for some reform in the men's branches because of course they would influence their own sisters. It's interesting how God works because John of the cross was only a newly ordained man when he met saint Teresa who had something of a reputation at that point because she had begun the reform already had some convents established. In the reform and I think that she, she saw two providentially that this young friar only 25 years old had something special and eventually she invited him to be the chaplain at the incarnation. Also, we don't know how much influence they had upon each other. And unfortunately, St. John St. John of the cross did not keep or destroyed all the letters that saint Teresa of album may have written to him, and we don't have any letter of him to her. So that's an unfortunate loss in history. And John of the cross who was so keen on being detached and not being possessive about anything, he very did likely destroy those letters and if he went to purgatory for a little bit, he may have gone to purgatory for that. It would be so great to read those letters between the two of them. But for sure, they had a very deep influence on one another despite the age difference of almost 25 years. She became the author of some incredible books, which were very revealing about her own spiritual life and her own journey of learning to listen and essentially not only just to listen, but to share with the lord in prayer to be able to have that relationship. It is Teresa Avila, if I'm not mistaken, would say, talk to Jesus as a friend. In those times of prayer, sometimes she had some very strong experiences, particularly that she shared within the context of those works. So when these books were published, this was new era publishing. A lot of people were reading what Teresa was writing. And maybe thinking that in their prayer, they were experiencing the same thing. But and often the case, it probably they weren't there. I'm not trying to be very delicate here. I am approaching this subject because what we're talking about is essentially what people receive potentially in that divine communication. And John needed to kind of put some correctives on what people might be presuming their experiencing. Yes, and I think when we take up discussion or study or read a Teresa babila or St. John of the cross and also other deeper saints of spirituality, it's good to be aware or to caution ourselves that the great goal of our life is not to have mystical experiences and clearly sanctuary survival will recount some extraordinary experiences mystical experiences and extraordinary experiences of that nature, I mean, we think, for instance, of a saint bernadette with our apparitions at lords, there is a mystical aspect to something that extraordinary to have apparitions. But also some mystics have had visions Teresa of avala did and we have other saint Margaret Mary and others and sometimes they have locutions. Mother Teresa in our own time from the accounts of her letters and that in the book can be my light. She had some extraordinary locutions from our loyal to get the order started. And that may have extended over some weeks. We don't know, even months, and the first year of her mystical experience there. But when people read those things or if they have knowledge that of that, sometimes they can be a desire that not so much that we will have mystical experience of that nature, but thinking that that is synonymous will always accompanying the advancement in holiness. Or even union was gone. And that's a misconception and St. John of the cross is very strong on correcting that impression. That really the great goal is not to be a mystic, the goal is
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"Defend it properly understood inculturation. That's always been a part of the church history that right. Oh yeah sure. I mean there is a. There's definitely a proper inculturation and Is definitely an improper inculturation. So we can't we can't help the tray and right. I mean that's where you live but we can culture eight We have to inculturated the faith when the blessed virgin. Mary appeared to Let's see it was let's see who was at the miraculous medal that would be saint catherine la beret when he appears take an elaborate. She showed herself as a little trust. Like a then contemporary french lady. She had curls that came down the side of her head. Such as fashionable women had in paris in those days Our lady appears to Honda go looking like an aztec girl So if if inculturation is okay for heaven You know when our lady appeared to to Saint bernadette subaru in lords. She looked like a french girl. Exactly the age of bernadette burned that protested that none of these statues that were created. Looked like the way our lady to her. So if it's good enough for heaven to Our lady in these different places so that she looks familiar to these people then. it's it's it should be good enough for the church as well Let me point out that Our religion is not like islam. Islam to to in order to understand islam You have to learn arabic and you have to read the koran in arabic. Now i'm that saying that. You shouldn't learn greek or latin through to read I'm not saying that. I'm not against the those studies. Obviously but you don't have to learn Greek to be a christian. You're not to learn greek to be a catholic to be able to read the new testament in the language of inspiration. Not and it's not simply because they're they're translations available unlike islam which is very fixed in the culture that produced and sustain the catholic church is was from day one diverse culturally the at first it's this semitic religion with semitic languages and semitic Customs attached to it then very very quickly it becomes greco roman but as it spreads out to different parts it very quickly becomes a byzantine roman in the city of rome so we have the roman right with its sort of austere Very latin western pageantry But taking on a whole different character in in the byzantine church by basically emulating a lot of the byzantine court ritual. It's different yet. Ethiopia where saint athas sends from anxious to evangelize and It takes on different languages. The coptic language Is is that's egypt the as language which theo paeans used so there are different liturgical traditions. There in this gives us all these beautiful various ancient traditional rites of the church but these are all expressions of some sort of inculturation. You know we're not going to get in some sort of fight. I'm going to see some. You shouldn't see some sienese artists of the middle ages. Finding with some greek ours of the middle ages finding over whether the blessed virgin. Mary looked like she was cnn. Or greek Or you know. Throw throw any body into the mix. The slavs are obviously going to show the blessed virgin looking like a slav The the the irish of course you know..