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REShow: Guest Host Mike Heller. Sage Rosenfels. Hour 1 (12-24-19)

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REShow: Guest Host Mike Heller. Sage Rosenfels. Hour 1 (12-24-19)

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We welcome you aboard of the Rich Eisen show on my Keller guest hosting hosting Ben in the chair a lot over the last few years and happy to be back again always appreciate the the privilege and the responsibility and the opportunity to step in and and guest host For Rich Eisen. So we're doing that today. Tomorrow will be off the back in the chair on Thursday and Friday the rest of this week. And when I say we I mean wh Whoa this collective we is fairly powerful on the other side of the microphone former. NFL John Kuhn is my co guest host John on Koon. How are you sir? I'm Great Mike. I'm just happy to be in the chairman. Frequent flyer miles. We didn't get back till two in the morning last night but nobody feels bad for me. We'll we'll make make it work. Yeah and and here you are John in the interest of full disclosure John on the packers radio network broadcast team on the field last night in in. US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis will visit with Sage Rosenfels in about twenty minutes. He is with the Athletic Minnesota so he has the view of the Vikings Perspective last S. Nine so John Let's begin there because that's the most recent game and it really does. Not Everything is clear but it does clarify a lot for the NFC playoffs offs in particular. Last night did the packers become a player at the upper echelon of the NFC. Because I think a lot of people on the National Front we're not buyers of the packers in the same conversation with San Francisco and New Orleans and maybe Seattle did last night change some of the that perspective. I've I believe it did. And let's be honest coming into this game. The big question mark was the Green Bay packers when they faced a physical team in the San Often Cisco Forty niners a team that people thought is one of the cream of the crop in the NFC. They got bullied. They got pushed around so they wanted to see if the packers what they do when they face the team another environment. Tough Raucous loud just physical environment. With the Mike Zimmer Defense and I think think they answered the bell last night and I think the Hansard the belt with their defense and offense of line making statements they dominated that football game really really for the entirety. It was just three turnovers in the first half. That's the only reason they even had to battle in that football game all right so so. I'm curious as to whether your review of the opposite side is similar to mine. Kirk cousins is the national whipping boy today about what the Vikings problems were by the way. I don't think kirk cousins had any blocking assignments last night. Minnesota's offensive line did not give him much of an opportunity. But here here's right but but here's my view on kirk cousins. I think her cousins is a good quarterback. I think there are a half a dozen or so quarterbacks in the NFL that can then rise above the fray and can carry a franchise or team. I think there are half a dozen in today's NFL. Kirk cousins is not one of those. I would agree with that. Makes it does not make him back quarterback. He's a good quarterback who needs a good supporting cast and other things to be done well and if you do those other the things well kirk cousins can be the quarterback on a super bowl team. But he's not he's not the high tide that raises all boats but then again and John Kuhn. They're only I would say maybe a half a dozen in the entire league at the quarterback position that guy there there have been lesser quarterbacks take their teams to super bowl there have been lesser. Teams are quarterbacks to win the Super Bowl as as the winning quarterback on that football team. Then what Kirk cousins is. But I have to agree with you when you see a game like last night Without their top two running backs and they're all offensive line's struggling. He struggled. He looked rattled. He was overthrowing receivers early in the game and he got you know. He'd lost his patients. He got impatient and he forced that ball down the field food on on on the Kevin King interception on a play that worked the first time around. Now when you're running a play that was successful for a touchdown the first first time you've played a team you have to understand. They've seen that on film. They've seen that probably fifty to seventy five times on film so they're going to know how to defend it the second time around and he fell right into the trap of believing that play work the first time it's GonNa work again. And he forced I. Don I feel like that Kevin King interception was the turning point in the game. That's when the packers said all right. We toyed around with you long enough. We're done turning the ball however we now got the turnover on you and we're ready to take this game away from you and it didn't happen last night from Minnesota. We're GONNA visit with sage rosenfels. I if you gave me did the I think the vikings played themselves out of favor as far as being. It seemed that might rise up in the NFL. On how much did they miss. Dalvin Cook well. I just think when you look at it. Minnesota was coming into this football game undefeated at home twenty sacks and they still got their sax last night but outscoring opponents in their building over an average of twenty eight to fourteen so so there was a little bit of hope that that this team but they have to at least prove it whom we talked yesterday about their big game against Kansas City against Seattle against some of these other cream of the crop teams. They've lost I every single one and last night was there one opportunity to get one of these playoff teams at home and to make a statement for themselves and may fell flat on their their face. I mean that that was. That was a very unimpressive performance. And I think just as the packers played themselves into national conversation. I think the Vikings things did you know. Play themselves out of the conversation. You know when I mention half a dozen. NFL quarterbacks that I think are in the current form in in who they are today there might be a couple more than than half a dozen. Now that I'm thinking about so so here are my half a dozen so I'm going to do it in. Maybe the easy way to do it is in tears. My half a dozen that I think are difference makers that can carry a roster deeper than what the roster warrants Patrick Mahomes Lamar Jackson Russell Wilson Deshaun Watson and I will add the trio of Aaron Rodgers drew brees and Brady okay. So that is that is seven. I believe one two three four five six seven. That's seven and I'm GonNa have another tier and that that next year would include guys like Dak Prescott and Jared Goff and Jimmy Garoppolo. Because I think with the right tools around them. They are also super bowl winning caliber quarterbacks but I said half a dozen and I don't know Brady and brees and I think Aaron Civil Lungs I dunno brady and brees belong in that group today like today's version I think they've got great rosters around them and do very good things but I think there's a separation between Mahomes Lamar Jackson Russell Wilson John Watson and maybe Aaron Rodgers then the others I think breeze with that Saints Roster and I think Brady with ballot check there they still belong there but the the exit is not far down the road. Okay okay you got the young pups coming into the league this League by Storm Guard yes and if you want to talk that and have that conversation with you do not sleep on. Drew brees and everything that they're accomplishing down. There in New Orleans Green do not ever ever put put the Patriots on the back page. 'cause that's just the type of ammunition they're looking for right for you to say that and that's when Tom Brady actually comes out and starts throwing throwing these diamonds that we were so accustomed to seeing him do all his career be like. I just got lectured by somebody. Who knows what he's talking about by the way you didn't mention in Carson Wentz as that second tier and if you're going to add golf and if you're gonna add Jimmy Garoppolo what Carson Wentz has done this year with this hodgepodge cast of injured and guys off the streets at receiver you have to include Carson Wentz? I do and and in that group in that next year I'll put Wentz Goff Garoppolo and Dak.. Are we doing now. We pay now. That's fair we can listen. It's the holidays man and we can make you know we can make peace. Yeah well I appreciate that and I I also put up the twitter poll question for the day. You can follow me at inhalers Sports Fox Sports Radio reach that you can follow John at Coon J.. Thirty that's K. U. H. N. J. Thirty think. When did you start wearing the number thirty? was that an NFL. Move or your thirty at Shippensburg. Now I've had all kinds of numbers over my career and I did. I was forty two at Pittsburgh. Looks like a forty two John. Listen the the forty two at Pittsburgh just fit. Though because we ran power lead ran eyeso- we ran counter Bam so so the forty two for the full back because I was just smashing into big guys big outside linebackers the whole time so the forty eight cents but when I got to Green Bay and I got net west coast. Staw fence with Mike McCarthy started catching it out of the backfield and running it a little bit we needed. We need a little leaner of a number. We need to the thinness this this this sued without look a little better. You still look like a forty two to me. Now like forty Sti- again I will. I will reiterate it's the holidays. Okay we all pack on a little pounds at the holiday it's not about weights. I see you wearing an extra shirt. And they're trying to hide it. Yeah no doubt you said you're going to be nice is till the end of the week. I'm not even taking a shot. You just look dude. You look like a forty s body. You look like you're bringing a lunch pail. Oh you're GONNA be in the weight room. I'm GonNa Find Your your opin me of the hard working guy. The hard working guy belongs in a forty Debbie. We all WanNa look you look. Look if you look just fine all right so I wonder if we then changed this look so I asked which of the top four. NFC SEE teams is your favorite to make the Super Bowl. Forty five the forty niners the saints the packers or the seahawks. Now I get this. There are two things that recency cincy bias plays into the packers favor. I'd do a statewide sports. Talk Show in Wisconsin Hepburn years so my tweet is going to get a fair amount amount of packers responders. I think if we had the national view of this which Fox sports radio re tweeted out this poll question and I think that the forty niners and saints are the likely top two guns in the NFC. Would you agree with that. And that the packers. Maybe last night showed that was the best game. They played all year certainly on defense. That maybe they showed. They belong in that conversation and could end up stealing the number one overall seed lead in the NFC which means that they wouldn't leave Lambeau as long as they win the yeah. We talked about the importance of home field in the NFC Probably even more so than in the AFC this year and when you really look at it as you see these these two or three teams you know Kinda rise to the top. I do you think the packers needs to be in this conversation. Now it's more than likely going to be San Francisco New Orleans Green Bay with that one or two seed and I think those I think whoever gets the one in two-seat out of that and it could very well be that a New Orleans saints team coming off another spectacular year at thirteen and three is gonNA lose a tiebreaker and have to be on road at some point in time in the divisional round. I think that plays a huge disadvantage for that football team. No in how much. They love the confines confines of the of the superdome down there in New Orleans so the Homefield is everything if the packers can somehow get this once he I think they climb climb up her. With even odds of San Francisco and New Orleans. Agra homefield means means a ton here. Here's what's going to happen. If San Francisco wins at Seattle on Sunday night they are the one-seat Green Bay will play at Detroit in a noon. Central Time one o'clock eastern time kick in Detroit. The packers win in Detroit. They guarantee a two seed and could be the one if Seattle pulls the upset over San Francisco so the niners could be the one or the five. Those are the only options The Green Bay packers can be a one two or three so can New Orleans but New Orleans doesn't control it as much as green bay does if Green Bay wins. They're locked in at two can be the one of Philadelphia is the four or they're out Dallas is a four or they're out Seattle can be a one to a three or five. Minnesota's is the only lock right now. They are six regardless of what they do in their season. Finale against the bears the Minnesota Vikings will play a road game. They will play a road game either either at New Orleans or Green Bay or Seattle. We don't know they're GONNA play road game at the number three and it could be any any of those three teams. But don't you feel safe. Don't you feel pretty safe. And saying of Matthew Stafford less Detroit lions team. Don't you sell L. David Blouse. Short Johnson David Blau short. But with this packer team with everything they have on the line knowing. How important homefield is don't? Don't you just feel safe. And just giving them you know. Let's just they get the win. Green Bay is GonNa win. I think rebate is going to be a two or a one and if that doc plays itself out then you've got the Minnesota Vikings going in all likelihood to New Orleans to New Orleans. I agree about that one. How about they had the Minneapolis? Miracle when these teams played at the US love to get that matchup now. I'm sure they'd rather have a by where you at that game. Oh Yeah I was. The game was not intended to be a day and I talked reminding our listeners. The Yeah I talked about last night on the broadcast. That's is the first time I was in. US Bank Stadium and walked out of there with victory granted. I didn't win but I covered the win for the team so I felt like I was a part of the win. It's just nice that that is a tough place to play in that to me is what makes the performance at the packers. Put out there last night. All that more impressive. We're GONNA talk to sage rosenfels. He covers the Minnesota Minnesota Vikings side of things for the athletic dot com twelve year. NFL quarterback Iowa Iowa state product played twelve years in the NFL. Just mentioned sage rosenfels impels. He will join us on the other side as we get a deeper dive on the vikings view of what happened last night. Before we break. Let me tell you about truecard. Sports topnotch organization hasn't all Great Front Office and incredible personnel. No different when it comes to buying or selling your car you need to have an MVP at every level visit truecar. When you're ready to discover buy or sell your next car visit truecar and find out? Why are we'll visit with sage rosenfels? Talking about the biking inside of last night will do that in a couple of minutes. I'm Mike Keller. That's John Kuhn were guest hosting and this is the rich Eisen show. What's happening everybody? This is the official Lakers podcast. I'm your host Mike Trudell super pumped to be your flanked by a large tool. You ready to go. I'm ready in the Lakers will be a top ten defense team. That has two stars or supervise in this case of Lebron in a D sometimes can't out but I think they're both good candidates for MVP. I really like the way that this team just feels to be around around the. It's a it's a very clear message. It's two stars in the broader ad and it's everybody else on board the relationship that is developing between those two off the court and on the port cohesiveness on the court. I think in this case is a special case that the two of them will enhance each other. As opposed you taking away from each other. Be sure to rates. Subscribe Bribe and Bieber Review Available Apple podcasts and podcasts so we wish you all a very merry Christmas Eve Happy Hanukkah whatever your faith is we wish you a very happy holiday today season where you are right now safe and happy wherever you are. John Kuhn travel back from. US Bank stadium late last night. So you're AH travel arrangements. Took you back to Green Bay and then down to Milwaukee Wisconsin and then to headphones and all set for this today. Is that your point. Is that that what happened. Yeah I never all the bases you know when the holiday season comes around. That's when the backups. In the in the media industry come out they gotta fill in a pitch a pinch hitter role. Yeah well yeah so. We're all pinch hitting today. But as we're guest hosting on the rich Eisen show my name's Mike Mike Heller. That's John Kuhn. We welcome in sage rosenfels he is. Nobody's pinch hitter with the Athletic Minnesota covering the Vikings side of things but also all things the national football league. Welcome to the rich Eisen. Show how are you. I'm doing great. John Tune understands the value of the more. You can do the longer you stay around and at the quarterback order back. I learned that my career as well. Yeah we're all special teamers right now right. I feel like I'm a goner on the punt team and the holder on I I just want to do whatever I can do to be part of the process which as we speak of that. The Vikings didn't didn't have that last night in I thought that's one of the more surprising overall results of a game that we've seen recently because it was non-competitive with the vikings offensively Sibley last night. What went wrong? I mean maybe everything did but where does it begin with what the Vikings couldn't do offensively against Green Bay. I really thought that was I was going to be a good football game last night and The despite the fact that the packers turn the ball over I think three times that I had one. You lose that turnover battle title by two almost always lose a football game but what happened last night. His sorta the Vikings worst nightmare offensively when they can't run the football. You Know Doughboy Cook is out. Madison is out for the down to their third. String running back. Who might be Navy? Had Ten carriers go into that game yesterday. They couldn't run the football which means that they can't do plaques and and the way the packers played with their defensive end up the field which is the way they played in the first meeting that really takes away those bootleg type play. The Vikings have seized on Alaska season. So that leaves the Vikings with straight dropback pas past kirk cousins thrown in the pocket in the offensive line. Trying to block a very good for man rush and You know that guy is a dairy as she is stud over there. I think really the key to that packers actors defense but when the Vikings offensive line has to just drop back pass And cousins. Get any pressure at all. He can't overcome it and they can't overcome that so when things aren't perfect Kirk. Cousins is at best an average quarterback and last night sort of showed all the weaknesses of this Viking. Dolphins have all starch the fact that they couldn't run the football because they'd have Alvin Cook and they didn't have a madison as two guys and and and they also just the packers played very very very well very good defensively and and And they stop the run which which forced of I have to throw the ball from the pocket. See You did have a pretty darn aren't good career in twelve years as a quarterback in the NFL. No matter backup your time. I still remember you starting and playing some games down in Houston now but as you talk about the quarterback position and kirk cousins with the Minnesota. Vikings is this a situation. Where if Dalvin Cook doesn't come back doc and completely reinvent the way that this offense is is moving the football can kirk cousins create enough for them to make noise in the playoffs playoffs? No I don't see that you know you look around the NASD and it's so balanced this year But if you look at all these teams whether it's the seahawks or the packers or the saints To me those are the best three teams in house. You the forty niners But they all have quarterbacks that can carry. Are Your football team. If for some reason you know they get behind by ten points in the second half or they don't have a running game carson. wentz ends up being and that's another team. That goes okay. All those top teams have quarterbacks offenses back and bring a team back. If some reason there's a deficiency on the offense but Kurt cousins I probably the last of all teams that will make the playoffs in the NFC of all the sixteen. He's the last quarterback in really Put the team on his shoulder older and say okay guys. Let's make this thing happen. I somebody might guard might be. I'll make up for it because I'm GonNa Outta here and make something happen. I if there's different types of quarterbacks there's guys who are playmakers there's guys that have accuracy and this that and the other and then there's guys were just executor's Kurt is just ask execute her. That's the sort of and he's very good at it when everything is perfect but as soon as anything breaks down he really looks like sort of an average to below average quarterback back stage. You play the position in the NFL for twelve years at twelve year NFL career. So you kind of get this. And that I think your last point there might be the most most appropriate of that when it breaks down. And we talk about the upper echelon of the quarterbacks right now that we have a chance to make something happen Brady Brady and brees do it with their mind and their arms. We see Patrick. Mahomes into Shawn Watson and Lamar Jackson. Russell Wilson their ability he to do it athletically end with understanding of the game. Is that the greatest separator of quarterbacks right now in the League is what you do when things don't go as planned and yeah I mean. This isn't seven seven if I was having a seven on seven tournament. I'd be thrilled to have kirk cousins as my quarterback but this isn't seven on seven offensive line. I do break down in the Vikings. Have the second lighter offense in the NFL which means a lot of times. They struggle and just straight drop back pass protection. We usually usually go against Iran. Be because they can. They're quick and they can move and they can run But in straight dropback that's where they struggle so if the Vikings don't run the football and it's like all right we have to throw the ball so many times and we're GONNA have to throw the Boston pocket. PLACHY is not working because they're not concerned about our planet because we're not run the football You have to have a quarterback that it can occasionally at least by time the pocket. And now. That's not always you know Russell Wilson or even as as Aaron has done and run outside. The pocket is buying time inside the pocket Which Brady has done so well? The course of his career and even Aaron Aaron Rodgers has done a great job. Ah Buying time but yet to throw position in the pocket Kirk just does not cannot do that. He is not the type of athletes that these other guys are In any way the accurate thrower that is his accurate thrower. But as soon as things aren't perfect is numbers. Go Way way down and we saw the work that it last night saved when you see a home team like the Minnesota Vikings last night put out a performance the way that they did sometimes onto triggers some some red flags and some alarms and and people would might be validated in thinking that you know coach could be on a hot seat. Is that a it is or is there a feeling of that in Minnesota it was. I know it's crazy thing. That Aku who's had the success that he has Up and down throughout his career there and with a team with ten wins but but man to to really your archrival in the north is the packers and to have them come in to your home field and kind of own. Can you the way that they did. Is there any grumblings about his job security Minnesota. Yes a good question. I think you know any fan base. It seems like half the time you know wants wants to coach fired ride but I will say that their defense is supposed to be their strength. Okay they have. I'm trying to think of. Is it five or four four. I think four players in the secondary that our first round draft picks they have spent a lot of capital They have spent a lot the financial resources David Roach trae Wayne Mike Hughes and Hairston Smith all first round draft pick. The secondary is the weakness of their defense. So that's an issue and that's my Zimmer's specialty right so you know if you're looking at this thing going you know. What are we good at? What are we bad at while? We're currently bad at something. Which is the head coach of specialty and that has to be concerned? It's like Chicago. The they gotta have concerns about Nagy because his specialty is supposed to be quarterbacks and offense offense and whatever and they're one of the worst league in offense and with their quarterback so I think if anything that's the issue in Minnesota is that Mike Zimmer specialty casualty is currently the forty niners weakness. Sage rosenfels joining us on the rich Eisen show. Let me every step back for a moment and evolved puts you in in a man cave tomorrow and you can pick any. NFL quarterback to watch manage a game in today's NFL. which doesn't that that was well? Yeah I mean the guy can put the team on his back when they're down he's the Best D. thrower the NFL. I think he's always one or two as far as throw accuracy he can win. The office of line breaks down. He can make things happen He has this sort of winning vibe vibe about him where I think everyone on that team things you know. We Got Russell Wilson. We have in no matter who they play against. We have Russell Wilson a week and win the football football game If if it was me. And he's still also you know in his prime He doesn't get hurt keys. The guy that I would want For NFL season. He's the guy that I think right. Now that I would want my teams down by fourteen points in the fourth quarter. I'd pick Russell Welcome. Does that make the does that. Put them in the hunt for a super bowl spot. Do you have a favorite in the NFC as it stacks. I think a lot of people feel Baltimore in Kansas City in New England separated themselves in the AFC who were the two NFC teams. You think are most likely to play for a spot in the super bowl. Well it's interesting. You know last night I if you look at the saints the Vikings packers the forty niners the seahawks and then probably the eagles. It looks like maybe the cowboys are probably the eagles the NFC swell the NFC is terrible. I don't see those guys. Maybe they win their first round game because they're going to have a home game but I don't see them doing anything past that I think the forty niners the seahawks the the packers and the saints those four teams legitimately any one of them could win this. NFC title I don't th- after last night. I don't see the Vikings in that group. I think they are definitely steph down. I don't know how they could go on the road win. Three games with Kirk cousins as their quarterback with a secondary The way they are so The packers have won four in a row. No one in the NFC has wine You know more than three games throughout the packers have won four in a row in the way that defense played last night and the way no Aaron Rodgers usually stays away from turnovers. No he he threw was he only had thrown two interceptions before last night's game name and I love the fact they actually have run game in Green Bay You know they're gonNA have I look at least one home game. It looks like probably give me the number two seed I could see see them going on the road and beat anybody so the saints are going to be a really hard out. No one wants to play out New Orleans. What a terrible place to go? Try To win a playoff game But so I look at the saints the packers and and and maybe the the seahawks to me. Well the C- outs have some injuries now. That's that's their biggest issue. A lot of injuries in that game last week. And now they I have a running back so I would say the saints in the packers to me are the best teams in the NFC sage. I'M GONNA use your quarterback expertise one more time and in. He only threw for two hundred yards last night and his quarterback rating was was a sixty and he did throw his first interception in two hundred and fifty past but I fought the performance by Aaron Rodgers. Last night was one of his better performances on the year getting the ball out to his guys short intermediate passes kind of controlling the the pace of the game in a rough atmosphere. What did you see in his performance last night? Well let's look at ELM LAZARD is I'm an Iowa state guys. He's I would stay guy so I'm GonNa give them some props here but he is a guy who's currently the number two receiver for the Green Bay packers. He was Don Jacksonville practice squad last year. he gets released. He signs with Green Bay. He is on he is released by them. I think on the practice squad and and then they signed onto the roster. He's their number two guy and he's making things happen always making it happen one. Because I think he's better than people thought he was. But the way Aaron can distribute distribute the football the way he gets the ball out so quickly. It's just I've never seen anyone. Throw the football the way he does. It's so effortless And he does stay away from turnovers two interceptions all of last year and until last night he had two interceptions going to the football game and he probably takes too many sacks. Oh Man I love quarterback shoot who. Don't throw the ball the other team and Aaron can just He's one of those guys to that. You know I I love the fact that Matt Leflore. It doesn't happen trying to make magic all the time which is why they have that. Running game now But when they need to the fact that Aaron can say hey. Hey we're down by ten. There's eight minutes left in the game. Let's go make this thing happen and Aaron like Russell Wilson One of those guys. I love in that position very good. Hey Hey say thanks for jumping in with us. We wish safe and happy holiday season. Look forward to our next visit. Happy holiday ballots. Happy Festivus for the rest of us. Well done on the way out. Hey John I have a question for you when we come back. Your former head coach had an interview with the Carolina Panthers yesterday. I want to ask ask you John. Kuhn who played for Mike McCarthy what the Carolina Panthers maybe could experience if they decide to go that route one of the movers and shakers in the NFL NFL in this off season. Going to be the coaching carousel. which will that hot stove? League will begin in earnest next week so it gets John Kuhn's thoughts on that Also we're going to check in on the NBA really interesting piece by Sam. AMICK ATHLETIC DOT COM. Chris Bruce are part of that storyline. Chris Broussard will join us in the next hour of the show the NBA Takes Center stage tomorrow. Christmas Day is the. NBA's Day some say it's opening day in the NBA when they when they go wall to wall on Christmas Day regardless of whether it's opening day or not there've been a bunch of games played so we'll dive into that conversation as well but when we come back. We'll talk talk to John. Kuhn about what Carolina might be in for if they pull the trigger off of yesterday's interview with Mike McCarthy will get to that in a moment as we continue. Continue on the rich Eisen show. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this podcast certainly couldn't do this show without either of you and I wanted to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page. PODCASTS DOT COM clicking on the support this podcast button and there. So you'll see all of my wonderful sponsors that help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing and of course supporting now back to the show. It's big into retirement. Show Mike Heller. John Kuhn guest hosting today Thursday and Friday as well as the plant. So we welcome you aboard. We wish you a very merry Christmas. which which is It's here now depending on where you are beginning to look like a white Christmas Sad. Maybe not you know. The show is produced in Los Angeles and there are no white Christmases. They're just not going to happen. So Joel Justin and are true at Fox sports radio wish you a very happy holiday. I'll be out there next week for the Rose Rosebowl to your neck of the woods so and John Kuhn. You are For Your holiday what. What is the plan in the Kuhn family household boy? It's it's going to be just taken one day off. That's what it's going to get because like we said. We got a busy schedule this week. So just having that one day I'll now I won't be able to sleep. We've been there's no sleeping with the kids know it's it's still get up early. It's still get out there. Get by the tree. Start wrapping start cooking. I got then. It's an all day cook and eat fast. I got a question for you. Had A built in. Excuse when you're planning. NFL You got no down time. You couldn't shop now you just a member of the media. Did you handle your own shopping or you. Have somebody take care of that for you. Oh now listen my wife. The I mean she's she does everything. She basically gives me the itinerary three and says you pick you pick. That already paid for already. Use Your card. You're good to go. Don't you worry. So she takes care of everything. Everything's covered lifelong scholarship. John Kuhn right all right. So let me ask you a question One of the reports that came out yesterday is the Mike McCarthy. The former packers said coach who was let go of his duties about fifty three weeks ago. He interviewed for the Carolina Panthers Vacant Job. What would having played for Mike? McCarthy what would the Carolina Panthers beginning if indeed they go in that direction. Why think they're going to get a guy who's GonNa come in? And I I can't speak for the type of coach Ron Rivera was because I didn't play for him but I know what Mike will do and Mike will come in and he will create create structure and he will create discipline and he will create an atmosphere so that guys can see what hard work what preparation ration- and what game planning does for your performance on the field. I always felt like with Mike. McCarthy has a head coach. We were very prepared team. We were always ready for are the variables that teams. We're GONNA throw at us. Sometimes maybe too prepared sometimes. Maybe we were out there and and we were a little bit too much at the line making things things up and not just running things but for sure he will have this team. Ex- his nose dowd in and physically. I mean they don't go out of the practice. So these these guys will be tested in these guys will be well prepared. The there's a contingent of talked a bunch of times over the course of Monday's throughout the NFL season season with Mike Florio profootballtalk dot COM NBC. Sports and when I asked him a couple of weeks ago Mike McCarthy was GONNA be cut. He said he hadn't heard a whole lot of buzz with McCarthy's he's name involved but now maybe there will be. You'd think he should be somebody's head coach next year and that somebody will get a winning coach and we'll be happy happy with that move boy. I think he deserves another shot for sure. I definitely think he does. I think he's warranted that I mean you're talking about a head. Coach is one hundred twenty five games in his. NFL career six hundred win percentage. That's that's a pretty darn good resume right there. I mean proven commodity granted. He had to hall of fame quarterbacks for for his entirety so so babies people use that as a knock on him but as we see these teams and they're constantly only doing it they're getting younger with the coaches going to the college ranks. They're they're they're adapting to this. This new age quarterback I believe Mike McCarthy can adapt I believe that he can can reinvent himself as far as these offenses and the way the. RPO's going with. I know we had our peos in for Aaron Rodgers way back in two thousand eleven eleven two thousand and ten so I think he can adapt. I think he can accomplish the same thing as a signal. Caller that some of these young guys do but I also think you get that that structured experience with the head coach. That's coached in two hundred plus games. I'm curious about the concept of going going from player to coach. Not many people. There are some that do a John but it's quite a transition right. I mean you know. All we joke during the commercial break would. Would you be a coach on McCarthy staff kind of a deal but the transition did you give that consideration to transition from. I'm being a player into a coaching role. And what is that look like. Oh Yeah I definitely gave it that consideration in fact the last year down in in New Orleans. When I tore my Bicep I spent quite a bit of time in the meeting? Rooms with the coaches game planning breaking down film with Advanced Scouts and doing kind of the grunt work without really basically. I was there to learn. I wasn't there to contribute but it was a great learning experience. Spending the time with with those was great scouts in Newsweek game. Planters especially seeing how Sean Payton Game Plan for defenses and the the one thing I noticed is the hours on the microphone food end or a little more conducive to a father's lifestyle than than maybe being a football coach No doubt I just and there are some that do it. But there's it's a transition I mean you get the concept that that those That the players who have transitioned into coaching kind of have a better perspective of what in the world coaches life is like from a from a time input standpoint. Yeah now let's let's not fool ourselves here most of the football players in the NFL when they have a coach who is telling them to do something and that coach has has maybe not played the position maybe not played at a High Level Division One or in the NFL or or something to that nature. There is a little bit of thought in the players. Mind like okay. You didn't do this the technique you're trying to tell me to use it doesn't translate to the field if it sounds great and it looks great For a technique tape when you're t shirts and shorts and you're out you know kicking it around and seven seven but the coaches that have played the game those coaches that have put in a decade or even shoot just a couple years as a player in the NFL. They've realized granny relies the struggle. And they understand. You know those guys on the other side get paid to. And there's kind of a practicality way of looking at it so that a guy who has experienced as a player kind has a little bit more clout with the players that he's coaching. Yeah it's it's interesting track certainly to take that route. That's why not very I mean. They're obviously the league is filled with former players that are on coaching staffs but but not always and most of the NFL head coaches are not former NFL players. No they went to the coaching ranks early from college on. And you look a guy like matlock fluor who is forty years old as head coach. The Green Bay packers and the played a smaller ball in the college game as a quarterback but made early transition not in the player but into the coaching mode. which is I mean? And that's the direction most. NFL coaches have taken. Yeah I mean when you when you look at it the the League has changed somewhat. You know you go back in the day. Can you talk about the coaches. I come Edwards and coaches like Marvin Lewis. Bill cowher like they all they all put in time forrest Gregg I mean a lot relationship and they all grinded and they and they got that instant credibility when they walked into the room and started addressing their team and some of these other young guys they they have to prove themselves as a coach I to to the to the team. They proved themselves to these young guys. Who are out there? They they got to prove to them that. Hey if I'm I'M GONNA go put my body on the line for you. It needs to be validated. We need to see some sort of results. I last thought before we wrap up this hour of the program. Is this difficult time a year for players that have families to make sure you have the right focus on preparation and family isn't easier maybe for the single young professionals professionals in the league. That don't have that one. No doubt it's easier but I will. I will actually flip it for you a little bit. It's actually easier for the guys who have families too because it it is so structured. There is no. There is no room for variables. You know people. You're not traveling out of the state to go visit family around the football season. They're coming to visit you. You have the automatic out like hey aunt and becky's having Christmas so he's got to come see us. Yeah absolutely hey second hour of the program as we continue on the rich Eisen show. That's John Kuhn. I'm Mike Keller coming up. We'll visit with Chris Broussard Fox sports F S. ONE CO host to the odd couple of Rob Parker. He will join us at about twenty minutes past the hour. There's really tomorrow's an incredibly interesting day in the NBA. Today's a reaction as yesterday was to the NFL and one week to play in the seedings and all of those things tomorrow for a lot. Tomorrow is the start of the NBA. 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Nfs one find your local station for her at fox sports radio dot com or stream. It live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to fox sports radio. Welcome in this law heard wherever you may be and however you may be making his day. Thanks so much. Doug alley in for colin coward. Hey music. You don't need to do tomorrow. We need to get our fire of our picks week zero college football. No blazing five. Tomorrow's gonna be godly. My own blazin. Five when you some money week zero. No no no. That was weeks zero one. That game was zero. Zero sound a lot more negative than it actually. Is that interesting right. Super interesting sound. It's like the word. Mediocre mediocre is not a negative word. But it does sound like a negative word does it does it. Does mediocre means average average is in the middle. It's not bad snag. Right mediocre but somehow the word mediocre feels negative coming out. When i say week zero you're like hell is zero. We're a couple of weeks off the nfl kicking off. how good. How good is it going to be to have the nfl back right. Like just kind of asked yourself like in the in the return to normalcy. We're going to have the cowboys. In buccaneers two weeks from tonight. Do you realize that like what. Yeah two weeks from tonight cowboys buchan years. That's pretty awesome. But i i saw this with the patriots. I thought it was a. I think the whole thing is kind of fascinating to watch. You know there are people that just giveaway jobs. They just do whether it's a lotta times. It's the little things that lead to the big things. The little things that lead to the big things if you ask. Nfl coaches college coaches. You know for for running backs. It's not as much a part. It's not we all think that running backs is about how many yards they gain end. It is but in order to get on the field and stay on the field. Gabby pass protect. You've got to know where you're supposed to be i. If you don't get the football you have to run your fakes all out like all of these other little things that we don't track for when they're little kids. Those are the things that that that gets you on the field and keep you on the field. No quarterback wants running back. can't pass protect. There are times in which guys missile defense and give away their job. I feel like cam. Newton's giving away this job in new england you know and it's interesting because so many of the things that he has said so many of the things that he has done the right things i mean cam after the super bowl was a disaster and anybody who says otherwise is just kidding themselves because you liked cam newton. They're down six points. Fumbles the football. He doesn't dive on it because he was concerned about his legs. Which is a very reasonable concern in a preseason game in the super bowl it get on get on the ground and get the ball get on the ground. Get the ball. And it wasn't just that answer it. Was you know the pushback against the media. And then he went back to carolina and the interviewed him and it was the same kind of level of of confidence that really felt like arrogance more than anything else. But since that time cam if you look at new england cam said so many of the right things signs. The minimum contract last year signs of backup contract this year. It hasn't been about greed. It hasn't been about money. I don't care what his youtube videos said last year. He didn't throw a particular. Well you can give you. I'll give you the seattle game. He played exceedingly well. I'll i'll admit they did not have very good talent but do throw for one hundred yards in four games one hundred in two thousand twenty one so there are some limitations there no matter how much better he's playing matter how much better he's controlling the offense and how invested it feels like he is emotionally row. You're not gonna get back stated then you're gonna leave town which which puts you in a it puts you in the system. Does doesn't even matter if you test pause though those matters and you can say like i didn't know of course you knew you knew the second that you you made the decision to not get vaccinated that the protocols were going to be ridiculous. That's what they did. They basically made it so ridiculous. And so over the top that without forcing you want to force you to get back standing because at the time the fda has approved the pfizer one that they approved so like look. We can't force you this what we're gonna do based again of course you and if you wanna go through hoops fine. You can't leave town. You know you gotta sell show distance yourself is going to be really difficult to do. And what's amazing is for camp to be a guy who had covert last year. He had it. And i know that anybody who had covert if you suppose if you take the vacs. It's a little bit more difficult on you. You feel a little bit more but do what are you doing. This is your job. this is your life. This has been your life for your entire professional career for entire like cam. Newton did he want to be bigger than being a just a football star. Yes did he truly transcend all sports and lifestyle probably not some of. That's just the nature of where he played in carolina the uneven success. It's still football. You know you're still behind that. It takes tom. Brady has broken through and become a breakthrough superstar but remember tom. Brady's how many symbols right and brady wasn't this level of star in the early super bowl days. He wasn't matter of fact. I said this earlier in the early the week. I forgive me rhyme music. If you haven't heard it. Jay stu also working on my show and this one tom. The one eighty that. Tom brady's personality has done and the likeability of tom brady. The only parallel i can see his cauliflower cultivars. Use me what are those Would brussels sprouts brussel sprouts. Do you remember brussel sprouts as a kid. Right brussels sprouts. Were the meal that your mom would make or got somebody else. Remember you go to somebody else's house. Would you like to stay for dinner like yeah. I'll stay for dinner cool. We're having brussels'spouts like what. I don't have brussel sprouts home. They hey hey man. Does your mom have like a digestive. No problem no mom does have gas. She's making brussel sprouts. They used to be steamed steam. Brussel sprouts it. Smells like flatulence in your house. It's disgusting and they taste terrible somewhere. Somebody figured out was emerald agasi or you pick the famous. Somebody's like what if we like bake these things or flash fried these things through a little bacon in their salt pepper. Balsamic vinegar glaze now brussels sprouts or not only on the menu as an appetizer. But they're kind of awesome. Tom brady was despised for fifteen sixteen years with the patriots. he was arrogant. They were cheaters. I hate him he we. We hate everything now. A sudden like gallo swag team talks a little trash. She's got the benjamin button thing going. He gets white boy wasted at At the victory parade like a cadillac. Tom brady yeah. I've been that drunk before. Doesn't that happy. Feel good state. Sure talking a little trash out of their teams passed on him. I like this. Do tom brady. Tom brady has done the brussel sprouts. One eighty you know fifteen years ago. Yeah hated tom brady. And he hated brussel sprouts. Now you're like you know. I might go to a sports bar or brussels sprouts and wants to buccaneers. Play cam was always pretty. Likable has become even more likable. But he's mismanages. Kobe thing and he's he's offered up the opportunity of a lifetime and the opportunity there for mac jones who probably would have won this job eventually. But when you're not there somebody else will be on. This is the famous jay leno. like why did jay. Leno never take time off because he was worried about being. Wally pipped worried about being wally pipped. Some people are just confident after like. Hey i'm not there. It's no big deal you know have somebody johnny carson would have guys fill in jay leno's like naaman island anybody fillon. I'm not taking any days off. That's kinda you have to be a quarterback kind of one of the things that they these teams struggle with the older shoulder Wanna take every rep and yet. They're arm needs a little bit of arrest. You know peyton manning. Philip rivers famously at training camps. They they they wouldn't take reps off. They didn't like it. When you drafted quarterbacks any of this stuff like aaron rodgers is nothing. New not telling a quarterback that you're drafting a quarterback and then the quarterback getting mad. They all get mad because they're all protective of their turf. They don't want the other guy to take reps. they don't want the gotta play. They don't want any sense of that. Other guy operating with the number one offense. That's my offense and yet here cam newton and you can say it's out of his control but it's not. It's well within his control and now he's offered up an opportunity of a lifetime for mac jones and though he wasn't as good today apparently yesterday he was amazing. And once you look amazing the ones it's a really hard indelible image to get out of your mind if you're a coach or another player because remember those guys while they've seen camel preseason. They saw cam last year. It's still in their mind like auburn cam carolina cam. He still. he's still a god-like figure. He's still cameron freaking newton but the old acronym for the nfl is not for long and you give a young guy in opportunity and he kills it and you become yesterday's news really really fascinating stuff. 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Well i i had to go back to nineteen ninety six to two thousand and give you a heads up. I promise you worked harder than any team. That big twelve conference even though we were usually one of the worst until a year four Where we actually went four instead. We're competitive but my my last year. My senior twenty twenty two thou- than We went nine and three went to were ballgame One our first ever bowl game on the inside. Dot com will in arizona. it was a great experience. And then that sort i think propelled too slowly. Some ups and downs now where i was stated with matt campbell. He's unbelievable job You know what the ball last year really. Just a few plays away from being oklahoma win the big twelve championship and and just being there being oklahoma early in your obviously And they have a whole bunch of super seniors coming back for a sixth year Because they just love playing for matt campbell so much a couple of guys. I know that probably drafted a six or seven. Th round said you know what. Let's come back you. Maybe guys embarrassed that were underclassmen. That came back that could've been maybe third or fourth rounders. They've got a really good football team. He's a great head. Coach i some. Nfl teams optima. A ton of money turned it down So it's a really interesting situation over. I've state in particular. We're one of those teams stuck in of this whole realignment thing so It's eh great time to be a cyclone that but yet we're a little concerned about what the far future holds. And we're just gonna enjoy this season and twenty twenty one. Doug outlive in for colin. This is the heard. Sage these these position battles let. Let's start with. let's start with. I was talking about cam newton. And look he was a great player. He's not that same guy not just through soul shoulder surgeries and injuries but also age and taking a beating based on the way he played football. What do you think missing in-person stuff for a for a couple of days in the midst of a quarterback battle does Does for for for his job ability. Qb one well. It's not literally help but you know when you look here in two months from now or three months from now if new england's and the mexican mcenery talk about this you know wanna be period in the preseason where it really didn't count bill. Ballot knows what he has in cam and you know he was. He's been consistently good. Nfl quarterback with a couple of really really good season even know a great season But one of those things that he did really well was. He had that element lewis not even throw in the having element where he could score touchdowns get first downs. Sort of the extra runner such a good runner that it just sort of added so much other value to him as a quarterback not just the past last year ballot. Check no he. He ran for twelve touchdowns last year. He had much to that many since his rookie year. And i think knows how to use him. Belts also knows how to go. You know what we have a veteran. Who's really good. Who's had some great seasons and been to a super bowl and let's bench and put in this young guy that i really have a gut feeling about. Are we saw that. Tom brady and drew blood. Cell a long long time ago and the questions. I think he will know what the right mix is is that you know cam. Starting about the the veteran because he's still like mag jones has a rafter bat. Does he at some point. Just sorta mixed too often. It becomes maybe a mac. Jones show ended the season. But you know we use cam in certain situations because he's still can be an effective runner as an older quarterback if he's a no more limited role i would think so. I think you know about sex going to have an interesting the way he plays it. My guess is it might be a little bit untraditional and at some point even a little bit of a mix because he wanted to be both those guys. Try to help them win. That football game you know bills about wins next game. He's not always overly so concerned about the politics of everything. He wants to win the next game. If i feel like one of the other. Quarterbacks gives them a chance He's gonna go you know. Switch it In two seconds. But what about the locker room like how how important like players know guys know. They just do you. Can't you can't fool players. they know who's better. They know who's ready. But when you have a guy that that commands so much respect because of what. He's done the league. How how does that change the calculation one. I think patriots players there most. Nfl players just want to win. They do they just wanna win. And you think you know. I've seen a lot of quarterbacks. It's like man they look pretty good in practice You know maybe even the third or fourth string guy and then you go out and those those actual games even pre season games. You know they're still working Falls apart you know when the real stuff is fine. We have not seen that out of mack. Jones we have not seen teams super complicated blitz packages Which is just a lot for a young team to handle. You don't really do too much of that in the preseason so you know he has done well You know instead. We know what can is and We'll just have to. I think it's gonna be cams job to start you know. I think that's the situation. It should be cama job to start. It is a lot for young quarterback to come in and try to win football games unless you just have an awesome peyton manning. Great hall of fame play. Rafter bats Andrew luck Or two guy that's gonna take some time to learn. And i just believe even tom brady. I think it really helped having a full year or so before he really had to go in there and play in that second season and even he's at the time was extremely young dugout colin. This is the heard. Okay garoppolo is isn't a different situation. Last time he played at the end of the season they were in the super bowl but they move mountains and they trade for trae. Lance feels like garoppolos gonna start. How how long do you think. He hasn't san fran. I think it all depends on how well the the rookie is progressing. And you know we don't see that as media people be in preseason games and they highlight here or there you know on on our on our twitter or something but we don't know every day what Trae lenses do it. We don't know how much he's learning on how much you actually knows how comfortable kyle feels with him. Really writing the show. I think they know that jimmy can win the football games they were. You know a couple of past plays away from wayne super bowl with him just a couple years ago. His skills having significantly diminished today. Know what they've got. They've got a veteran team right. They've got a team. That has a lot of really good players And they are ready to win now they they're going to have a good defense against people stay healthy they're gonna have that running game and they want a guy who really understands how to execute this offense and it's a lot i was in pals offense back in two thousand six seven eight with kubiak in houston and there is a lot to learn in these west. Coast offense a lot of verbs. Kyle loves to have two plays even three. Plays at the line of scrimmage there are some complexity there that is just not an easy thing being on the team for six months. And my guess is that he's gonna would go with jimmy and you know if he feels like trays ready Put trade he also. Could you know again. Sort of like new england's doing it maybe there's packages that he wants more of the guy that has running running ability and i know for a fact You know sort through their coaching staff. They love they. They serve missed having a guy who can hurt a defense with legs right. They go against russell wilson all the time they know how hard it is to have to defend it they they they see back from the who can throw and run and i think there might be some early packages where trae lances you know. More runner those are third downs and one. Those are in the red zone. Those are at the goal. Line those type situations where it helps to have running quarterback i could see trailing being the ballgame even early in the season big year for daniel jones. He cut down the turnovers last year. Which is a good thing. I mean a needed thing. We assume we'll have saquon barkley back. I think the question though is like does he have like yeah. He surprised everybody without goody was early on. How ready was early on but does he. Does he have the it. Because there's there's got to be a lot of pressure on him to perform the season. Well he's he. He came behind a quarterback who understood how to deal with the new york media the patients the leadership You'd like to think that he from ally You know sorta how to play the long game here and how to be a good teammate. And have guys like you So my hope again. I'm not boots on the ground over there. But my hope is that his teammates like him and they like the way he competes. He liked the way he treats people think he can. He can be the guy they just got to build a team around him. You know in new york in particular. It seems like they win. When the quarterbacks not necessarily a super superstar they wouldn't when they have a good quarterback. Who's a great leader with an unbelievable defense with a good offensive line with that running. That's a lot of times. Those giants teams were when he was winning super bowls. And my guess is. I think they have a good quarterback that they now just needs to build and have really good drafts and free agent moves to really put a good team behind dando challenge without a good offensive line quarterback especially a young quarterback. He's gonna struggle and they need to get better. It's been a struggle since you know. The o'hara enriched soy birds d. Dave deal chrisny team. Those teams Mackenzie since those guys have gone it's been a real struggle when you're that offensive line and until they get that stuff right. I don't know how much of a chance daniel jones actually has. I wanna ask you about justin. Herbert i mean like do was rookie of the year. Said all these marks and and so many people missed on him. And i some of it's your thing right. It's not it's not just that it's not just his offense. It's you go back. And how many oregon. Quarterbacks hadn't fulfilled outside of dan fouts like the last one that lived up and maybe exceeded the hype but clearly. He's got all the skill set and has kind of a a way about him. That guy seemed to be behind. But now it's the second year in guys have a book. He hasn't played in a raucous road environment. And if you know anything about the chargers even their home games are raucous road environments. What do you think herbert's gonna look like this year. I think he'll be better I think it'd be a better quarterback. Oh it'd be you know pricing themselves in the top ten quarterback role. I think this guy is going to be a really good player for a long time. You know the book on hand coming out with interesting because he has all the physical attributes is. He is really athletic. He seems to throw a nice ball. You know seems to be a pretty natural thrower. There's some things in mechanics. I love coming out And also when you watch the oregon offense it was so much the dinkum dunkin dinking dunker him. Run around and trying to make a play. And i was like i've never i don't really see him to sort of going through reads. It might be a hard For him to become a really good. nfl quarterback. But i think he's a smart guy. I think he picked up their system. Extremely well And i i think that have a smart guy who can learn offense. She's pretty accurate thrower. Really good athletes. I think that's the nfl quarterback and the question was you know what type of guy acts is. And i think that team is. Actually you know obvious. Play very obviously caught on really liking this kid as a franchise quarterback so i see him playing league for a long time. I seem him win a lot of games. It was a huge move for that charge of charter organization. They need a superstar. And i do think they're going to have. Maybe they'd be a superstar but definitely a really good quarterback for a long time In in los angeles. Sage rosenfels joining us. You and i watched the big twelve a ton. And so i think we all we liked big like i like baker people i know at oklahoma always liked him said guys. You know the whole thing by quarterback guys bought into. That's it. you gotta win. That locker room got to win the coaching staff. The the issues have been when he they put him in position where he tries to win games by himself in the nfl. He's he's not that guy. He's not watson mahomes. Aaron rodgers short of guy they have an amazing roster on paper great roster in the conversation of best rosters in the nfl. He's playing for a new contract. They're playing to try and get to a super bowl. How do you think this year comes together for baker plans to fancies offense year two. That's a great question. You know you are right. you know. People love baker. i think he's a magnetic player in the leader standpoint. I think people love his confidence which sometimes can be borderline cockiness but sometimes we appreciate that type of competence as football players athletes right I think he wants to be a great great player. I think what he needs to understand is what is his role on this football team but what his role is it to be pat mahomes. It's not all right. What is his role and we saw. She was san francisco a couple of years ago. You have just a pretty good quarterback with a great team around him with a great defense With a running game. You don't have to superman too so tremendous super bowl and so for him to try to maybe figure out how to really it's like it's like the ultimate veteran move. How am i gonna win the football game. Do i have to do this. This and this to win this game and then you go play great team and you know you're going to have to play great to win that game or you might play terrible. Could just take chances. You might zero four picks but that's how we're going to win that game. I think what he's going to have to figure out is what does he to do from two week as an overall as for his own. Play a part of this team. How are they gonna win that week. And you like to have life law that counts when you're down by ten with seven minutes left and get you know. Give me a couple of drives. You love that confidence But i think they're going to win a lot of football game so he doesn't have to be a superhero but again as baker mayfield. He likes having that sort of like a serves superhero presence about him. I but again which is why allow players really like playing with them. Awesome stuff say. Let's catch up again really really soon. Where zero in college football means. That's kicking off. We're two weeks away from the nfl kicking off on a thursday night a great resource that thanks so much for joining us on fox sports radio on. That's my guy say's rosenfels who did he. He's right when he was at a state. He's senior year. they were they. That was the last time that they were good. They had a a running back name. Genus. haywood. Who is a monster monster monster monster running back. Let's get to rhyme music with the news. This is the headline news. Rai music what. He got Well doug i'll tell you what i got We got a little bit of nfl. That will get into here coming off of that great conversation. Between you and sage rosenfels aaron rodgers had. Let's say interesting off season but that seems like water under the bridge at this point in green bay is he's now returned to the packers and has been participating throughout training camp but when asked about an article in sports illustrated about this being a championship or bus type season. Rogers wouldn't say that but he did say it's a championship or disappointment type of season and did acknowledge that they have many free agents and potential cap issues facing them next season. Look they're all talking about taking the next step and the next step is the super bowl. obviously backyards injury last year. Set them back but you had the ball. First thing goal a chance to a chance to take the lead and win the game and you couldn't do defense turn over the tampa three times in the second half and he couldn't do it did you dig yourself a hole in the first app. Yes you're right there and position you. I don't think anybody thinks the bears are championship team. Vikings don't appear to be a championship team and the lions are in rebuild mode. So in your division. You should win your division. Get a home playoff game. They got home field venture out last year. I don't think it's unreasonable. To think like it is disappointed. I don't wanna do the bus thing. I think that's dumb. Because that would mean that. Like kansas city season last year was a bust because they wanna win a super bowl for a second straight year. Look can't see when new super bowl without their starting offensive line against a really good defensive front. Nobody's winning the it. It's almost impossible in that game. Even with pat mahomes with their players. So i i'm with aaron rodgers within not getting into a super bowl would be a disappointment but we need context to plow. What if they go so far as the nfc championship game again in three straight years nfc championship game but no trip to the super bowl. Would you consider that disappointment. Depends on where they at home. Did they have all their guys healthy you know. Did they just not make plate like it. All kind of depends all depends. We'll wrap it up here with this. Doug speaking of aaron rodgers. What do aaron rodgers. Matthew stafford dak prescott. Yeah and cuyler. Murray all have in common right handed quarterback strong-arm can run throw. Yeah rich that all those things are true. Not only are they. Nfl quarterback says well but they are nfl quarterbacks who won't be playing whatsoever during the pre season this year cliff. Kingsbury did confirm earlier today. Cuyler murray will not be playing in their final preseason game of the year. So add him to the list of star quarterbacks in the nfl who have now completely written off the preseason. I like cuyler. Lot obviously got hurt last year and when i was unable to be himself Late late in the year. And there's pressure on cliff but they went from five to eight wins. It's a crazy difficult division. I don't i don't love how their defense blends with their offense but they did get better. He seemed to figure out something in your one day or two and we'll see if they can continue to take another step they're going to have to take they're going to have to get to the eight nine win yet again before people start to buy remember seventeen games but all these guys are going to sit out game. 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Voila and i'll mike yam near the hosts of nfl explained it's the podcast where football fanatics come to learn everything they always wanted to know about football but didn't know who to ask they can ask us now and of course we're going through all of these topics deedee and i know you and i are so excited to start disseminating. Nothing but football knows it mike. I've got questions of my own like do you know why the packers are named the packers. Absolutely do because i got the research pack i went through it and i do know that it has nothing to do with pacman and it has everything to do with cheese. Packet not cheese meet meat-packing. It was a meat packing company that put five hundred dollars up for the uniforms or about this. How about like what constitutes an actual cats unfortunately. I don't think that we will possibly have enough time to figure that without the point is you're going to be able to join us every thursday to talk about every interesting detail and the game. We all love it's. Nfl explained premiers. September second reasonable questions about the nfl answered. Listen on the iheartradio app on apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcast. Doug ali bin for colin. This is the her discover match all the cash. Back you and your credit card the end of your first year. It's amazing because discovers accepted nine percent of places in the us and take credit cards learn more discover dot com slash two dozen twenty report limitations. Apply i saw this. This is trending on social media which is gets an inevitable list and lots of things change. The great thing about sports is there is consistency right. We know labor day weekend is usually kick off to college football. That's why they're calling us the week before that we see we zero and then the weekend after that is the nfl so we're two weeks. Two weeks away from cowboys buccaneers. But usually the fall also kick off new. Tv shows how we watch. Tv shows has changed but still. There's nothing like like i'm on a new series. I don't know how new it is. Whatever tehran which is on apple plus I don't know it's got a little homeland. Sort of vibe to it for me. I liked homeland as well. Anyway so it it had me thinking and got me to this best last. It's almost the end of the show but that doesn't mean we're phoning it in nope we grind to the very last segment. It's time for best for last. Now i was. I don't know probably nine months late on the ted lasso thing. I love ted lasso. Season two has been light and generally fun where season one had a lot more heaviness. There was some heaviness there in the christmas episode. But but you can't put ted lasso season and a half in on a on a run and say it's one of the great shows of all time so what we tried to do. We tried to do was put together our own list of greatest shows of all time. full disclosure. I've only watched one. Episode of game of thrones full disclosure. I've seen I've i've seen sopranos. But i didn't watch every soprano i didn't so it's not that it's not a great show. This is just it's like. I'm not gonna tell you where wilt chamberlain or jerry west or bob cousy rank on the all time great basketball players when i wasn't alive when they were playing in their prime. I gotta be reasonable about it. Here's my reasonable top. Ten number. Ten number ten cheers. I'm a big cheers guy. We were big cheers family. It was christie alley and shelley long both play the female lead like the ability to endure a change in the female lead and still have a great show cheers There were spin off from it. That were amazing Frazier i'm gonna go with cheers at number ten number nine friends. Now look is friends funny. There's some funny moments is hilarious. No i would say like it's a show that will never never gonna be another one made like it like there's always cop shows always hospital shows. There's always gonna be dramas like that. They're probably be another cheers based bar or something else or maybe something based on online dating now because it's changed but they'll never be show of twentysomethings in new york living together on network. Tv like twentysomethings. Don't watch network tv. So why would that exist. I think that's part of what makes what makes friends so interesting. Friends is number nine number. Eight ozark love. Ozark can't wait for the new season. Just it's tough at the top on their put ozark at eight number seven madman. I love madman. I love it from a. I mean it's a time period piece. It's mid series century. modern it is arcane. it is it. i'm a. I'm a madman guy. Sumi number six mandatory. And you're like what way you're contradicting. Your how many seasons. I got it. Okay but star wars is arguably the greatest movie series of all time. Amanda mandatory is the first and only i believe. Tv show that captures kind of a sub story within the star. Wars story number five all in the family. My dad used to watch all in the family fall asleep to it. Amazing show again. Jefferson's lot of spin offs do it as well Yeah politic completely politically incorrect but a tremendous show despite number four. I'm that breaking bad at number. Four i i like breaking that i think it was outstanding is the greatest show of all time. I'm going to hold off on that one number three the wire. No i'm not jason whitlock. Yes i love. The wire just do couldn't get couldn't get enough of it. Felt like it changed and found itself from series from season to like season. Four and a lot of it doesn't stand up because people like what does that. What does a beeper. What does the pager does that. Make any sort of sense to simpson's still running strong. still funny. I still can't wait to see what parts right on the whiteboard number one seinfeld craig chauvel time. What's his show about nothing. Something people funny stuff things that we all kinda can relate to and things that we can relate to like. Living in new york city is so different than any other place on earth case in point the next. This of the universe is where i meets. I that's my best for last Jas do would you like to get in any that. I did not put on the list of that. Fact cannot believe gottlieb miss this show. I mean i just can't believe that you Have only watched a couple episodes of sopranos because your taste obviously is good Sopranos i mean that tops my list. I know i'm not alone in that one But yeah you're pretty right on there. There's a let's go around that this week where prison break was in a top nine. I'm thinking prison break. And it didn't have madman which i agree with. You is one of the greatest ever rhyme music. You're a little bit younger different variety. Like most of these shows you didn't even know existed something. I missed well. I don't think. I think one that. I'm a huge fan of which would be probably near the bottom of my top ten but definitely on there and you're a fan of is Jack ryan i love jack ryan. Tv really hard. It's really hard. You like oh wait. That's a tv series. Not a movie right tony. Part of it is. I love clancey. I mean the movies are good but yes and others Now i would say the other. You listed the rest of them. I would have breaking bad higher on mine. I think baking breaking bad. Beat number one. But i see a great concept great concept and a really interesting movie a really interesting show I do like to laugh a little bit. More man city close to getting rinaldo to join them. That's interesting and we have more quarterbacks. Be name starting quarterbacks. I'll be back tomorrow. We'll get you ready for weeks. Zero maybe the orioles the win again. I'm doug alley. This is the hurt today. I want to tell you about a simple way to get all the entertainment. You love without the hassle direct. 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Alex Smith Retires; More Cooley QB Film

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:16:00 hr | 5 months ago

Alex Smith Retires; More Cooley QB Film

"They don't want it. You don't meet it but you're gonna get it anyway. The kevin sheehan show is cool with me today. there was some breaking news. Right as we started record this podcast. Alex smith is retired. We'll have reaction to that. Coolies got film breakdown on mind and mills and a couple of other thoughts. I'm gonna open the show by reading chris. This tweet from sage rosenfels by the way. I'm just curious did you. You didn't play with him did you. He was gone through. Sage rosenfels I don't think so. You know who he is. I didn't play with him. he was he was. He was drafted by washington. He was drafted by marty. Schottenheimer in two thousand one. Yeah by the time you've got to washington. He was gone. He was actually gone after the first year. He tweeted out the following over the weekend. And i just thought it was so funny because it's essentially what you've been. He tweeted. there may be a couple of thousand people in the world who know how to watch college or nfl film and know what they're looking at watching tv versions does nothing. Most people don't have a clue about defenses protections or coverages. Stop with the quote. I watched his film closed quote. I think he agrees with you. On how hard this is and you can't get it from the tv version. How great is that. Yeah it's because this whole deals become so popular. Five years ago. When i was doing things seven years ago when i was doing this and the the grade of the break in knowing did it. Nobody did it right. Nobody did it wasn't it. Was this novel new thing. It's not taking any credits. People may not have done it before me. I don't know when people started doing it on radio or on on the on the internet that he's but now everyone's sending it to the internet Watching davis mills film today. Yeah what you watch Dvr copy of The game sweets. Where's the back end. I don't care about watching the mechanics. the molecules what what physicians you know. I i you know. I love watching skill position players running backs in particular. And then you know just sharing my opinion of what kind of college back and why i think they'd be a good pro back like any fan. Would i'm not watching film I'm not watching what you're watching. I don't have access really to what you have access to. I watch a lot of college football. And then you know. I'll watch as we approach draft time especially with players that i don't know i will certainly watch a lot of highlights and i'll try to find some games on youtube like real good games on youtube But what do you think we are capable. If at all in analyzing like i. I always think offensive line. Play quarterback stuff is really hard because there's so much brain Power that goes into playing those positions well but running backs. Don't you think on some level as someone like me. Just a fan of the game can evaluate or running back totally because if a running back is getting handed the ball your shown every aspect of start to finish of that play on television and then a lot of times. If it's a good run or something happens. Even if it's a bad there's big defense they'll go behind the offensive line and show you like. This is what he saw that the colored guy will walk you through what he's done and some of that you're really capable of watching. I think it's it's one of the easier positions. I think tight end receivers probably one of the harder positions because if they're not getting a ball so many times they're not even on tape safeties impossible corners impossible. Because you're not even rarely. Do you see the entire twenty two guys on film at the same time. And so when you're showing the actual ball safeties season corners aren't even part of the tv. I think those are really tough linebackers. You could have. I think a semblance of being able to evaluate some linebackers pass offensive line for sure d. Line d. line absolutely you can watch pass rusher and i'm not saying when you say we you're saying people that didn't play football. I'm just saying if you're trying to watch television and evaluated right right well. I think that it's more than that. I think you know. Most you know most really hard core fans really don't understand what makes a really good offensive linemen different from an you know a good a great offensive lineman from a good offensive lineman or somebody who's capable of starting versus somebody who isn't there's there's a lot of technique there's a unless you really played the game and played that position you know you probably don't understand you know what they're being asked to do. I think the secondary and you hit on its safety and corner. You just don't even know what their responsibilities on any play more likely than not were. You don't know what kind of defense more likely they were in. Or even if you can identify their uncovered two or they're in cover three and this is typically what their responsibilities are. Even if you're that sophisticated most fans aren't even that sophisticated. It's it's not the easiest thing in the world like how many times it's hard. Yeah it's hard because you were in that meeting to talk about his. I keys pre snapping. What he was looking at and why he was looking at that and that might. That might have been coached in a in a way that you wouldn't want to coach. I mean it's it's tough because you're not in that meeting room to say quarterback throws a pick Titans not crossing the face of a quarter safety receivers now crossing the face of quarter safety. And you're watching like maybe it wasn't a scene. Maybe it was actually post and he wanted to carry. The safety of quarterback. Should've thrown it. Maybe it is a. It's not always that you can tell that it's a certain type of route or what principles were coaching. Is that player in that in those responsibilities like a lot of times. You could say like for a quarterback for someone. Let's muddy and i don't like that. But at the same time if the tight and make a little bit more of an angle cut in front of safety space he catches the ball and now now it's not muddy in the description now it's tight window. Sunday throw so went for muddy interception to tight window throw because the tight took one step further inside. Well i am going to do when i've done with you more so than anybody else over the last many years one of these shows leading up to the draft. I'm gonna give you three or four running backs that i really like his. I've actually been right on running backs a lot over the years with you and i'm just gonna give everybody especially terp fans a heads up. I think jake funk can be an nfl running back if you don't know jake funke's because you didn't watch a lot of maryland football. He's a guy that basically was like a redshirt senior. He's been injured a lot. That's been the biggest issue during the course of his career. But mike god does. He have incredible vision sort of deceptive speed. Really good quick feet in the and he's a powerful runner at like five eleven six feet two hundred and ten pounds I think he's going to be a guy that gets drafted. I have no idea where even he even ranks really haven't even spent time looking at it. But i remember towards the during this year just saying jake funk to me. Looks like an nfl running back. I what do you wanna say about. Alex smith who retired after sixteen year career. Today i think that he's gonna really appreciate the decision. I know it's a hard decision to make. I'm glad that he thought thought about it. I i would say if this had happened to him in your eight nine. Ten that he'd regret retiring. But that always depends on the guy. I mean can i she. It's funny talk about a guy that twice in his career was so close to be the dude and winning a super bowl and taking the team to another level. I mean in san francisco. The get to where he's the guy. They're they're a good football team and now it's like not colin kaepernick is gonna play go to kansas city. Struggled early finally get some weapons. Be the guy in the team and granted get a chance in his last year there and that last year wasn't great through large part of it. Now there's some of it was. But now patrick mahomes now. You've got your balanced again. It's true he was probably fifteen to twenty best quarterback in the league four or five different years of his career and man. It's it's wild. Make the most of opportunities or have things happen. You know one big game. Here they're the right time for other san francisco kansas city by the change thing. Yeah man but you remember that year in kansas city the year before they drafted mahomes that was the year that they went like fifteen weeks before a wide receiver. I got a touchdown. Bet y'all right that's true. I remember that the was the year the year before mahomes right the the year before be homes. It was a almost a full year where he was the all time. Worst fantasy football court. Yeah they they They that was they just they. They didn't win the post season. Obviously he didn't really win games in the post season and they weren't very good offensively except in that one shootout game that indianapolis came back with with andrew luck and came back in that forty five forty four game or whatever. That was a crazy wild card round game. I i i. I'm just for him. I think if we just go back a year like one year ago there wasn't much of a chance at alex smith was ever going to play and then all of the sudden it just then we saw project eleven and we are absolutely convinced. And when did we see that. Like june or july of last year whenever it was you know the pandemic was already full underway is. That was one of the big you know shows during the pandemic sport shows and it was like okay. Well now we know there's no chance to do. Basically nearly died in certainly was lucky to have his his leg and then it just started to go from there. And and i even when we got to the regular season i was like there's no way they're ever going to put him on the field and you know we remember when he had the slight criticism. I think you know. The context of it was a little bit different and rivera talked about it. And even alex smith talked about it afterwards about you know. They didn't want me know the last thing they want wanted was to see me. You know around and available well. It was a shocker at everybody and everybody feared putting him out there. 'cause they cared so much about him. It's really ultimately amazing that he got back out onto the field played. Well got the comeback player of the year award which was a no-brainer and thankfully never got hurt again. I mean i know he had was injured at the end of last year. But i'm talking about something catastrophic. It's amazing especially after that first. Aaron donald game that he got not only did he come back and play well at times he really you know avoided. What was everybody's fear. That was some sort of catastrophic injury again. He was able to prove something to him himself. He always talked about how he wanted his kids to to learn that you know it's never over that the resilience and persistence pays and all that he was able to teach that lesson if that was really a big part of it and i'm glad he's not playing anymore i mean urban meyer was on michael irvin's podcast and essentially said you know they were interested but they're really not sure in in part because they really. He's concerned about alex. His health like everybody else was He said here's the quote he said we had conversations with them. And there's some you know there's some medical people that in our in in our organization that were very concerned. Then there were. I'm sure in washington's organization again washington got away with something cooley. They got away with it. They did not have to do what they did. It turned out well for both parties. I'm not trying to suggest that it was a toe was a risk that wasn't worth taking because he played well and he was significantly influential in them. Get winning the division with a seven and nine record but man they were taking a big risk and jacksonville. Who'd who wouldn't be taking. Nearly the big risk that washington was taking with all the related to the criticism of medical in in trainer in the whole thing trent williams stuff jacksonville's concerned. So i think once urban meyer essentially said were really concerned. That was the only spot for alex. Smith and i'm assuming that's why he retired because alex smith was talking to him about an opportunity. So if there wasn't one in jacksonville there wasn't going to be one anywhere else. No and i think there's that discussion of six or seventeen. Even at this point that there was a discussion About houston right but in any one of those discussions he fits as if the guy we have now ends up getting a chance to play like the shawn watson or the guy that we draft ends up being a guy that we like. You have anywhere from competing through camp to six games to it most a year and he thinks do i wanna do this. This deal moved to a city. Take my kids. They're the one year deal and then call it or then go somewhere else and do the one year deal again in his kids are old enough they if it were to go somewhere and do the one year like if it were me i would really think more like i'm gonna go there. You're going to stay in school where you're in school. And i'll not see very much for your. Who knows what they would do in that situation. But it's never going to be the security of. You're gonna play here for more than season. That's hard yeah What do you think he'll do next. I think he will do anything that he wants to do. If he wants to be involved as a coach you know someone will love alex. Smith is a coach if he wants to be involved in the scouting department. I'm sure he can do that if he wants to be in broadcasting and he can do that if he if he wants to raise kids for five years. That's not a bad thing to do either. Be dad i mean. It's whatever he wants to do for whatever reason. Well not for whatever reason the quarterbacks understands football and the level that most people don't through their career that they couldn't or that they someone like me to know it in the last three years of their career and then really really spend a ton of time. But even even with me. They're still not that like trust level to talk about any position for some reason. Quarterbacks have that trust level to talk about anything you want wanna talk about here. He quarterback he knows so. You know our wanting to do you know. He made a shitload of money. I'm looking through all the different contracts that he signed remember when he was the number one over. All there was no there was no rookie. Is wage scale six year. Fifty three and a half million dollar deal a rookie right. That was his rookie contract. Then he signed in san francisco a two year six and a half million dollar deal then. He signed in san francisco a one year. Four point nine million dollar deal then in kansas city three years twenty seven point seven million then in kansas city for years. Sixty eight million and then in washington remember. It was the assumption of what was left on that. Kansas city contract plus the extension so it turned out to be four years ninety. Four million dollar seventy one million guaranteed basically looking at this. I'm going to guess that over the course of his career that he probably made a hundred and forty to one hundred and fifty million dollars gross. I think that's about right with that That's contract that's contract. He's thirty six years old Look bottom line is it was not a great trade for washington in hindsight period. There's no other way to say it. He wasn't very good twenty That you know they were a the record. You can point to the record all you want. It was a house of cards They play ran the ball. Well they stopped the run they. They won the turnover battle. They won the penalty battle. Alex smith was not a dynamic quarterback. Maybe he was on the verge. And maybe the offense was on the verge of something much better I think that was headed to eight. Nate you know maybe nine and seven and a playoff berth maybe He was really good as a game. Managing quarterback which is what he was in kansas city for the most part This year. I actually thought he was more dynamic in a couple of those games. Like the detroit game then he ever had been twenty eighteen. Which was the crazy part. Because he wasn't nearly as mobile but he was a good. Nfl starting quarterback never much better than sort of the middle portion of the league is a starter somewhere in that fourteen to eighteen range year in year out. You know I still i still absolutely inconvenienced and andy. Reid feels the same way that if they had gone to. Patrick mahomes in two thousand seventeen would have gone deep into that postseason rather than losing in the wildcard round at home to the titans. It's not a knock. The you know being having a fourteen fifteen year career whatever it was sixteen year career and being consistently in that top. You know middle portion mo- some of the top half of the league. Some some of the time just on the other side of it is a pretty good career and he was a winner. The bottom line is he was a winner. I mean he finishes his career. I think it's like thirty games over five hundred but he had on those teams that were were winners. Had a hell of a lot around him. You know he that that had it in san francisco hell of a lot You know around him and you already mentioned it. I mean he gets benched in the super bowl. Year by capper nick In in kansas city ultimately they went much further with mahomes but he had a hell of a hell of a lot around him. They're good solid starting quarterback for a long career. Nothing ever special. About alex smith and i think that's why he wanted to keep playing because he wanted to have that special year. Maybe it wasn't that he was going to be the special player. And i think he understands that limitations. He has at this point but maybe it was never going to be that special. That special player. He didn't want a special year. I would have wanted this. I wanted the special year man. I'm sure You know actually. The timing of this is really interesting with him A perfect segue into something. I was going to bring up with you. I don't want to spend a lot of time in this. Because i want to get to your film breakdown but i'm just curious if anything jumps out to you. This kid I say kid this producer of a sports radio show in new york ninety. Eight seven the Whatever ninety eight seven fm his. Name's jake montgomery. He's got like right now. He's got like seven thousand eight hundred twitter followers. He put out this tweet. The other day That ended up being like just incredible. Tweet that went viral and the tweet was You can pick one athlete ever to have an injury free career from beginning to end. Who are you choosing a guy that you know. When he tweeted stuff out would get like three likes. Or you know a one re and maybe four responses cut a twelve thousand likes twenty two thousand re tweets and this thing just took off over the weekend and we did. We did an hour on the phones this morning on the radio show and there were two names that popped into my mind immediately They were gale sayers who had A an unbelievable brief career so great he was. He was in the hall of fame. Essentially playing four seasons of games. And that's it for years of true. Productivity lots of knee injuries that ended his career after six seasons but really only played four seasons worth games he was in the hall of fame would have been incredible to see gale. Sayers a healthy gale sayers for a career and then bill walton for me I most people aren't going to disagree with this. A lot of basketball people will say that if bill walton hadn't had the chronic of foot issue that he had that really derailed his career. We'd be talking about bill walton. In the same way we talk about will and russell and kareem and shack and allies you want in terms of the greatest centers of all time. He was that special of a player But he never you know after the first couple of years could never ever stay healthy But those were the two came to mind now. A lot of people immediately said we'll lend bias. Or sean taylor. I think we're looking for the injuries. Not the tragedies that ended their career exact counts. I mean. I think my first name is bo jackson. That's yet that was the number one number one. That was a number one. Yeah in terms of the resources thirty. What's thirty for thirty on griffey junior. He's he'd be another one. Like i mean already had an amazing career riddled with injuries. Exactly exactly a lot of people had him too. I think we as far as pure player. Maybe the best. A lot of people believe that definitely i mean there were. There was thirty for thirty. And you're going to believe it. I mean there were so many that came up during the show If you want you can go back and listen to it on the team. Nine eighty And if you want tweet me at kevin shandy with some of them aren't let's get that good. Hold on one sec though. Yeah not like like in my own world cat. I wish i could have played fifteen years fourteen years. You know what i mean. I know you retire prematurely. Because of injury sort what it was. I mean it was sort of that but it was also like i made a choice to go to another team Right right when i was done but it probably wouldn't have been saying i mean in my own world. Three catch seasons a seventy catch to ended with seven hundred perceptions. Nine hundred or second. I would have been up there as far as reception goes sucks for me and i and i got when i was whenever my knee. It was the truce moment where i loved the ball like that. You know the veterans dog about like really slowing down and really figure it out but that was kind of the moment for whereas. I i really want this now. Well i mean think about it i mean you. You retired at a very young age especially for the position. I mean jason witten just gave it up at thirty eight years old. You were done at thirty but really were done at twenty nine twenty twelve. Wasn't you know you didn't. You didn't participate that much during the course of the season and it was it was obviously because of injuries And yeah i mean you had you had incredibly productive seasons. So if you hadn't gotten injured and i i was actually going to say the same thing. It's you know you were you know. Look you were perceived early in your career is a little bit wild. Maybe a little bit unfocused. I'm not saying you were Interested in a lot of the other stuff that was going on but by the time you got to shanahan in twenty ten twenty eleven in two thousand twelve. You really were you know. For the lack of a better description. You are maturing as a professional as a person and maybe you're if you were healthy the next four to five years could have been your most productive years with the other idea that were throwing the ball of the tight end. Became even more popular ryan. Moving guys around became even more popular so anyway i didn't by the way the other one to that. So you hit on a couple of them. jackson griffey. Junior walton was a big one with a lot of people so as sayers tiger woods really is is. I don't think most people understand tiger woods career and how dominant tigers been and just how many of his prime years. He's missed or had altered because of injuries There there would not be a record in golf. that tiger wouldn't own had. He stayed healthy throughout his career. And by the way most of what he would have set along the way would have never been broken. I made it would've been almost impossible to imagine that anything would have been broken. Here's a guy that you know made it several years one hundred forty two straight cuts. You know he's he would. Certainly at this point without all the injuries would pass jack on the major championships lest he would've extended his all time. Pga tour victory. Here's a guy that in two separate years had seven consecutive wins and six consecutive wins. That's almost impossible to believe 'cause you watch golf and i watch golf. I'm in a golf pool. Nobody wins two weeks in a row and he had a year in which he won seven straight weeks and then another year in which he won six straight weeks so if tiger had stayed healthy his entire career. There wouldn't be a record that he wouldn't own and most of them would be untouchable. He really is in many ways. The most dominant individuals sport athlete. He certainly in that conversation and would have been by himself in that conversation had he stayed healthy. I a good. He was crazy nuts right when we come back. 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Just because i'm watching all these different videos out of interest in watching all these valuator really now you read all this stuff and and you look at all this stuff like what matters for quarterback and accuracy comes up as a big one and arm strength comes up is a big one and you know i think back to when i was in high school and the way they coached quarterbacks. I remember the first day when i wanted to be the quarterback. I should have been but the coach you know talking about we gotta push that ball higher up on your right shoulder and then got over. The top and like everything for quarterback was defined by the upper body mechanics and throw mechanics and everyone was taught like upper body with throw mechanics. And we've talked about that forever. I don't give a shit with their upper body mechanics. Look like the ball out quick and is it out with some accuracy. I mean obviously the decision making i care about. That's the anticipation on time. But it is so funny it. It really took a guy like mahomes for now everyone to evaluate. Look you can make the off platform throw guys have been making me up off platform through for a long time can do that but it took that mahomes to go. It's okay if it's almost always off platform. It's just get so convinced with this providing mechanics. I don't care what his upper body looks like. I actually have gotten to the point now where i decided that they're lower. Body mechanics is way more valuable to them. Having success in any given play any given season into the future. it's way more way more. I think tough to ingrain into some of these guys their feet and how important it is and to me. It's like how quick is the ball out. And what are your lower body mechanics into. Lower body actually helps the came out. It's just it's weird. How you you look at it. And i think as you evaluate these guys does it matter what it looks like when the ball comes out if the balls consistently accurate and then i was actually thinking about dwayne a little bit you know. Doing that has really little touch with those heavy over the top mechanics and hit his when he pushes. His lower body matches a little bit and he doesn't open the gate. It's pure man that's you. Would you teach quarterback that will school over the top deal But whenever he wanted to throw a touch he had decide. Arment couldn't throw it touch with that heavy over mechanics couldn't take anything off of it that way. I think the only thing on the upper body mechanics is if it leads to not getting the ball out quickly but that's how everyone's been coached. That pure over the top throwing motion will will lead to getting the ball quickly on saying and you said you don't care what the upper body mechanics are but the upper body mechanics are somewhat important too quick release after workout. Grab one of your sons and walkout in. Try to go full up providing mechanics and throw over the top and see how fast the ball comes out to where you take it a little bit to decide and flip flick arrest. See what comes out faster. Did it yesterday. I know i know it comes out faster. Now the question is is he. Athletically inclined enough. Did he played baseball. Can he throw not necessarily a platform if just can t make throws wherever he wants. The ball out of his hand can make it down on his side a little bit. Can you make it on a shoulder a little bit and then when you start thinking about. It's like those throws you have to make you got to manipulate the offensive line. The defensive line you gotta go around guys you gotta be able to like it. Can't it's rarely going to be let hits your fifth step. It's your third step cure driven over the top mechanics doing it yesterday. And i'm i played baseball. So i can throw it with accuracy and clear like when you watch me throw it. It's not it's not like the most beautiful sidearm. Or you know what i mean but i can throw hard accurately twenty yards down the field. Right now a sidearm. I think one of the things that you know as offensive lines and defensive lines the league's gotten bigger and bigger. You see you know one of the things. I don't think most fans understand. Is these lanes like they're throwing in passing lanes like they're blocking to create passing lanes there there. There's and then you you have to adjust arm angle to get it in certain spots and it's just it's not drop back seven on seven. Nobody's putting their arms up to disrupt throw no never it just it. Isn't that way. And for whatever reason and maybe guys with the pure over the top can take something off. And they don't throw a whole in everything each injure arm angle a little bit and it allows you to tempo the ball a little bit better. It's just as someone like me like a natural kind of athletic movement. Not like the passing movement. I can temple a better with different arm angles. So i guess that was just my thoughts and then the lower body mechanics when you watch a lot of these college quarterbacks gun they get lazy with it in the nfl. It's really wild if you look at like notes from the quarterback meeting room or stuff. They're giving it everything. Time's up with their lower body. Like your timing things up when you hit your third step the balls out you know if if the laws not out because you don't like something that's one hitch and go and when these guys you're watching don't have the base or don't have the footwork it makes it really hard for them to turn down number one and number two and timing it. It's an extra step because they didn't hit number one the way they should have and they're not under balanced and so to get to the second read. It's not too. It's like this whole kind of two foot dance. Deal back there to kind of body around the more. I'm watching these guys. The more i care about that three step five step operation to feel the hit your toes mid foot toes and stay under balanced with some separations shoulder. Width and be able to move shoulder turn shoulder movements under balanced to do everything and it's not everyone that does it. It's really it's it's it's i don't know it to me. I think it's more important Did this up for you. Because this is just a guess. Because i have no idea what you're gonna say about callan monde. I know what you said last week and you know my position on him but the one thing about kellyanne mon that i've never liked is it. Looks like he's trying so hard when he's in the pocket to have like perfect mechanics at it almost makes him look stiff and not very natural and not very comfortable now. It's funny. I told you i wanted to talk about this. In in part that's because of watching killion monde but it came up over the weekend. And i can't remember talking to a friend who's in the business it was and we were talking about a lot of these quarterbacks into he liked and what he thought some of these guys he he's you know who it is but i'm not i'm doesn't need to be talking about prospects although i thought whatever and so i just went out and i started. We were talking about footwork and some of these things. Why there's so many misses on. Quarterbacks i think people get enamored with looking at the wrong thing so i was kinda define to my thought process of what should i really what what really would most translatable. What are the skills that said. I want him to have the most right now. So what are they listening to me. It's how quick the ball out and arm strength matters but how quick the ball like if you were to put a clock on him a right hander. The second that left hand comes off the ball. What's the time on it to throw five yards to throw ten yards to throw twenty yards. It will let the timing on that because a tenth of a second more than somebody else is gonna change play. They're gonna change the timing. It's the difference between open covered in the nfl. Can flick is wrist and throw the ball. And then also like the aaron rodgers. Can he really do it without having to wind up. Some of that was watching justin fields. Like i think justin feels has to wind up to every to me i. I think it's slower out as he's getting rid of it. You can eat throw it accurately with with multiple arm angles and and on the move and god the guys that can throw from that sidearm kind of that second baseman type of throw. They're the guys that can make the best on the move type of throats. The best on the run type approach the over the top guys. Dwayne they almost have to jump turn their body to get into a position where they still throw the ball over the time. Can you feel the ground ball moving towards third base shortstop and kind of go off the side because your body's twisting completely and if those guys can do it accurately. I think our special. The footwork is huge. Can they move in the pocket with their feet and can stay in manipulate the pocket with their feet. Can they shoulder turn on the pocket. Can they do some of that stuff to me. That's really really big. The next thing that. I love the guy that can turn down one with his feet. Go to too quickly and turn down to go to three. And i don't have to see it all the time but i wanna see a couple of times in every game like i know. He didn't want he didn't like to. He knows where he's going with three and he gets even better than this crazy that maybe thinks about three and then he goes to the back as the checkout like guy knows his stuff. I don't wanna spend all day teaching quarterback progression in defense. I want a guy that at least has a base understanding of it. And i think i show that a lot of times to me that those are those are big and then the next thing i love is like confidence Guts competitiveness. kenny league team. Big moment can watch his team down the field. There's something to that. I think there's definitely something to bad. Can you get out of the process of what it is. But the pure mechanic guys think. That's so two thousand so night so nineteen ninety-five it will. I mean we've seen you know it's more than just mahomes. We've seen guys with odd throwing styles as long as it's out quickly. Philip rivers is a perfect example. He doesn't have textbook form obviously throwing the football. I'm russell wilson doesn't have textbook form throwing the football. There are a lot of guys in the league that that throw it a little bit differently in a little. Bit more sidearm. Matt stafford throws it a little bit more sidearm. I one of the things. You didn't mention. I to me watching quarterbacks that are you said being able to manipulate in move in the pocket but it's that also it's that it's that vision. It's that feel without having to look at it. It's it's standing in your career where it's coming from a naturally you know like in a two hand touch game in in your backyard able to stay away from a guy and and and and throw it. It's like having that that that athletic you know Spatial thing is so important for quarterback especially in the red zone very often more more times than not touchdowns in the red zone happen off schedule and they happened because the koran created more time i completely agree with you and i understand with a quarterback gets in any given game. I don't like it or condone it. Then they start. Maybe looking at the russia a little bit. But if you don't see a guy if you see a guy that's always like his head goes from field to where can i move in the pocket. And that's consistent. I don't believe that's teachable. I think that's pure natural ability. Does he feel it and see it out of the corners of his eyes without having a look at it. And i i know you can't teach peripheral vision. No you can't totally agree no matter. How many things that. Jim zorn's smacking on the head of the quarterback or whatever he was doing. That's all feel that's all innate. It's natural yeah. No i'm i think that's that's may and that could even be up there with you know a high number one. Does he have natural. Feeling the pocket. Keep his is down the field. I totally believe when you're talking about being able to go from one and look at two and then worked to three if at the full progression or from one to two and then move without looking down and still get to the back. I think those are things that show that. You don't have to look at the rush. Are you a believer that if not accurate in college they'll never be accurate. Depends i think to some extent on what kind of accuracy. You're you're you're talking about like what kind of throws they're missing you know. Are they missing. A few deep throws in certain areas that they can work on think. Some of that stuff can time up a little bit different. Some of its timing and some of its foot work. Some of its. It's your feet. Don't you want to throw the ball and it's not out in the right spot. It's almost comparable to like when for anyone that was a receivers running around and they're just not really that comfortable with their feet and now they're looking at okay. This is a ten yard route and my right foot hit eight yards and so all of a sudden i'm gonna break short at eight yards and it's going to be ugly sloppy because 'cause they didn't get my feet under control as opposed to just comfortably getting another full cycle and going one two at the top the that whole like a visual adjustment to the yardage to get your feet underneath yourself as a receiver. But that's something. I love to see in a receiver is reset. Push a little bit more vertical. Trust that they can get where you need to get. Break it off again. I don't know it's some of the timing like when you when you're talking about like some airmail throws consistent airmail throws in a game consistently high like i was concerned with the wayne with ohio state. Stuff and again. We talked about this. It was pre washington right. He threw a ton of all high especially under print that to me was lower body mechanics. When he'd open up he he's sitting there left foot forward and then he'd open up almost foot back behind right foot as he throw it the think about making that movement with your hips. It raises your whole body up which raises your arm up as you're throwing it in his lower body mechanics were really needed work. I just think that that's a harder muscle memory to overcome for these backs. And i don't care about the upper body mechanics as much you you do you go ahead. I'm sorry. said everyone used to say up providing mechanics any great I don't think so. I think think we i think when you're watching a quarterback Throw a lot of the touch throws whether it's a screen Whether it's you know he's coming back one two three and it's tight end wide open and he's trying to throw it in touch but with touch but also so that it's not underthrown so that the time can take it. I think you can see sometimes in quarterbacks in college they don't have any feel they don't have touch and i think that's another thing that's hard to coach. I think that's another thing that's natural. I see it in basketball. Like a guy that that passes naturally Let me give an example You know like the ball goes to the wing and and you got a big man posting up and you're you're throwing that entry pass from the wing into the post and there's gotta be some touch in some feel on that pass you know to get it to his outside hand If that's where you know if he's got the target up in some guys you know key we'll rifle it. Some guys don't have the touch and you see that i think in college football you know a guy that will gun one out to unscreened to a guy that it's set up perfectly and he guns into goes through. No you gotta throw that with a little bit of touch and lead them a little bit. I think that's a that. I think that's a natural thing to do. You agree. I completely agree. And then you're even talking about the guy that can throw a little english when you could put it a little outside and have a little bit of spin to bounce it in your back. No doubt the screen things. Perfect baseball comparison. Where you're like okay. You're up the middle as a shortstop or second baseman. Stand tall and fire one like you were pitching it or crow hopping from center field and see what happens. Yeah we're just whip it over. No i mean it's You know it's i think the just any of you that are listening are like you know i can throw football. Throw a baseball. I can pass. I've got i yeah. Unfortunately you're not six four and two fifteen and athletic is held. But i know what you're talking about like you you know you've got good hands. You've got good vision. You've got good touch in the whole thing and you sometimes are watching a game and you see this big strong athlete. And he can't throw it with touch. And i don't think that's something that you just all. The sudden improved dramatically on the. That's something that like. At twelve years old you sorta have you know a feel for throwing with touch in any sport passing with touch a huge product of one sport athletes. Perhaps it's a product of not playing other sports like a quarterback would play basketball and then play baseball. He's going to have a feel for touch because he's gonna make different. Throws with different ball from different angles agreed whereas in the other things like let's say on the screener. I'm the screen guy. Do i care if that ball spirals to me. No no just gay right. We're we're we're six yards apart. Do i care if that wobbles little bit at me. No do i care if it hits me on my left side. So i can turn and run to the less versus at my feet or a. He's trying to throw a bullet into my through my chest and i got got completely stop and actually catch the ball before i can run the ball that i don't think about catching totally agree when you when when you're evaluating all these guys like big strong arm doesn't shit to me most of these guys throat sixty yards. It's more like could you have the arm when you need it but when you don't need it can you put the ball where it needs to be in quickly. And can you make it. And your job is a quarterback is is to be the distributor. Could you distribute were. That guy can get six extra yards instead of get tackled on the spot or have to go down for it or have to go reach back behind his body jump. Just put it where it's supposed to be all right. Let's get to these film rights get another break in here Promise on the other side of this sponsor. Cooley will start film breakdowns. Kellyn monde and davis mills. Nobody cares what time you woke up in the morning. But they care how you slept and not all of you sleeping well and sometimes it's the mattress. That's the issue. Will i want you to consider helix sleep. Mattresses helix sleep has a quiz. That takes two minutes to complete and matches your body type in sleep preferences to the perfect mattress for you. Why would you wanna buy a mattress. 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Dc take their two minute sleep quiz. And they'll match you to customized mattress that will give you the best sleep of your life. They've got a ten year warranty. You get to try it out for one hundred nights risk-free they'll even pick it up for you if you don't love it but i promise you will. Helix is offering up to two hundred dollars off all mattress orders and two free pillows for our listeners. At helix sleep dot com slash kevin. Dc that's helixsleep dot com slash. Kevin dc for up to two hundred dollars off and two free pillows. That's h. e. l. i. x. sleep dot com slash kevin. Dc for up to two hundred dollars off and two free pillows stanford quarterback davis mills flying up the mock draft boards here in recent weeks kuypers last version had mills going fifty one overall in the second round to washington. What do you think of davis mills. Cooley is interesting as anyone gets. I think in this draft route one. He played three seasons at stanford any played he started. Fourteen games three seasons right like he played he started. We played in one game in two thousand eighteen which was not threw two passes in two thousand nineteen played in eight games and then two thousand and twenty. He played in five. He kept over to start the last season. He's a guy that has two major knee injuries. One of the senior in high school and then another one at stanford near like okay Unknown there I that to me is is a little bit scary. See there's there's a ton of unknown with mills and there's there there will be through all of this even when you watch every game Start with some of the positive was males one. This you gotta sleeves out. He looks like peyton manning. He's got his wife's coming out of his jersey. Looks like peyton. And he's he's kind of prototypical. Do right six four big big guy to twenty big good-looking athlete a quarterback. He doesn't look biggest. Peyton peyton was six five okay. Well that's why then. Yeah of course but still like big prototypical looking quarterback we talk about feet and base before. I think davis mills is is pretty good with his full work in the pocket. I think his feet are consistent with what he's trying to do. I think is bases good. And i think it's deliveries good. When it comes to that he. He looks like a quarterback. He looks like a pro quarterback pre-snap and not saying that he can't post nap but pre snappy looks like quarterback. I think manipulate with his is. It's gotten a lot better gotten a ton better in two thousand and twenty you look at his. Two thousand nineteen filming. You ain't getting drafted at all. Even with the pro day that he had two thousand nineteen was. it's a bit of a struggle at stanford two thousand and twenty as a little bit better and he's got good control of the football at times especially to the middle of the field and he can fired him there. Maybe it's not the a arm but he can fire in there. He's got the ability to keep plays alive in the pocket and he can make that off platform throat moving back to his left and zip out across the field a little bit to the right now but even at that time. We probably didn't even need to do that bro. Probably number one. He's to me like he's there flashes. He's a highlight low light guy. Which makes them with with the amount of games like pure projection. Do you like the intangibles when you talk to them. Is there enough there that you. He's gonna keep getting way better. I think before we get some negatives the perfect example the plane. Ucla down in this game. Twenty seven twenty already thrown two picks one of them's bad pick just one of them's into what you've felt muddy waters and now all of a sudden down twenty seven twenty moving the ball a little bit he throws to a quick inner slant on his left in the corners rolled up into into it. And it's a pick six a guy that's football one like you gotta rolled corners. You can't throw it. Cancel it quick in. That's a no ten now all of a sudden they're down thirty four twenty and you're like game night any bring him back and they end up winning the game he would have met with two thirty nine thirty nine. Thirty four thirty four twenty. He throws a corner into. I window that. Maybe i'm not sure should throw that bobby fit in they score. And then it comes back down and throws the seam down the middle of the field with nineteen seconds left and they they end up winning football game you know. There's an incredible comeback incredible comeback. But it's he put them in the position to have to come back. It was him then he brought them back. I don't love that. Some of the negatives his you talk about accuracy and he has it. he's also got significant. Mrs. he's got some like airmail balls. Some not not not not a pony express. Some big mrs dude. We were just talking about some of them are like screens in bubbles like just massive easy throws in her mrs i. I put on in granted. This is his first game back the first game you played his colorado and he misses a an easy one early. Too tight end. That should have been picked because it's such a bad throat and then he misses a bubble the next drive that he throws behind the receiver. It goes out of bounds. Like whoa. those are those are bad misses. When it's the first film you put on your like okay. In the first six throws he's got to really bad misses and you go through the year and find like the bad misses. I don't mind the mess on the body of a receiver just behind but when you throw in seven yards over the head of dude you may as well be thrown into the third row. Where does that come from cavs. Don't get that. I'm question a little bit style offense. They play in david. Shaw is one of the last guy is in college that plays you know mostly under center. You know tailback fullback tight end couple of receivers you know in is super conservative. No it is. But that doesn't justify missing by seven yards. No it doesn't what about his mobility. That seems to be to me. I mean he's not that you know he's not that elusive no but he can move in extend a play. I think he's mobile enough to move to play each seem downfield. He can make one cut and make a guy miss. I'm question ability to truly sly. We've got to weird with those guys. But he's that big old knee brace. He played with all year. Long right gonna probably keep wearing that knee. Brace the rest of his career i don. I think he's okay. As far as mobility when when you look at like mobility downfield. Whatever i mean. It's not phenomenal. Mobility and the pockets. Pretty solid like talking mobility i. I think he needs to continue to improve with anticipation to me. He's gotta see too much time before he left the ball. Go to see the defense. He's got to see his receiver win and there are other times where the game man he ends up taking a sack in the pocket he takes it back like he's gonna throw to a wide open deep crossing route to touch and then he eats it and takes the sack like what. What are you seem that you miss you. Find this a lot of times with different guys but to be like some significant misses. Some of these turned down. Looks some some of the throws that i questioned like. Did it come out on time. i'm not sure now. it can't come out on time. not saying that. He can't throw it but he shows enough that he struggles with it. It improved through two thousand twenty. But they're still moments all the way through the end of the season the all the way through the end of his five games. We like he needed more time. He needed more time in a system and people are going to see that. That's what anticipation things as they prototypical quarterback and make all these throws move enough in the pocket. Doesn't have to look at the rush. We can develop this guy. So what and i wrote like kind of like chuck duck with pressure like throw in duck like you're not gonna throw and take one in the chest it's actually like but they'll still filter okay ball and he can throw a decent depot not always perfect but he can he can throw these in a bottom sideline like a fate ball with touch to the sideline. So i think there's you see make every throw you just see enough of the bad that you really questioning it. Would you take him not before the third round by any means no you know. I don't think he's a starter. I don't think he starts for you and your one. I don't think he starts anywhere near one. I think he's got a long way to go. But i think he's on the right track of where he's going with it. You know he. Like kyle allen was basically the number one you know Pro style quarterback in his high school class kyle allen was to kyle was a five star guy and so was mills and he went to stanford. Didn't go to georgia. Because i think. I think it's because georgia recruited fields or maybe it was from a. I think it was the they recruited jake from instead because he's from suburban atlanta me up in in the state championship game but he could have been someone that said. No i think he committed long before the. Yeah all right. Let's do in mind right after this word from one of our sponsors small businesses are grappling with the impact of these uncertain times and looking for resources. That's why for the second year in a row. Dell technologies is assembling an all star lineup of podcasters to create the first ever virtual conference to share advice and inspiration for small businesses of all kinds dell. Technologies is here to help safeguard your business with modern devices and windows. Ten pro to provide relevant content for your business success. Search del technology. Small business pod ference on spotify apple podcasts. Or odyssey dot com. Starting may ten. This is chuck d host. Hope heartbreak in the new york knicks. An eight part podcast series for nath logic. A dobbs deep into the knicks past twenty years of chaos and controversy under team owner. James dolan from the end of the nineties knicks to today the series uncovers never heard before stories about the knicks and the nba within views from dozens of voices including franchise legend. Patrick ewing find it wherever you get your podcast kellyn. Mon- taxi saying that. Kill him on. Looks bigger by the way the mills. But he's not he's maybe six three and he and he's narrow which i don't like he's two hundred pounds i don't i don't wanna get too caught up in that as a quarterback He's the guy that i think has a big arm. And he's a guy that can he can throw bomb throat sixty five yards and you hit a guy in stride. So that's a. I mean that's a plus. I think he's a guy that gets the ball out. Quick not always pretty. But i think the ball comes out of his hands pretty quick and i think in that he can go one two three and balls out and there's anticipation and tight window throws he to me. He's the guy that can make some really really good throws sharp. Eighth rose into into traffic into into tight windows. He's a good athlete to run to make plays off script. He's not gonna lead the where he's going to do. People like jamaal. Lamar jackson and the fields are like jalen meals. Even trae lance. Who's not not lamar. He's not he's not that guy Some of the negatives we talked about feet his feet. Ra absolute mess in the pocket. They're cute big stride off first. Step short choppy one-two-three There's a lot of wasted time with his feet I think some of that makes him look more tight than he actually is I think it also hurts his accuracy at times because he doesn't have his under him in time to grow some of these balls. I think he struggles a little bit with touch to me. We talked about touch being a huge thing. I think he wants to throw it through. Everybody definitely like he is trying to be john. Elway out there. And i don't mean he's trying to be just the race throwing the ball. It's rigid it's really mechanical. It's more over the top then everything he's trying to throw ball through people He's just okay when he's on the move as far during the football like it's not really a natural making a big time throws on the move their throws he makes there's to me it's not what fluid by any means when he's moving to throw the football gets away with a lot some of the decision making i would question for sure but at the same time like he's a guy that didn't throw a ton of picks you know i think he threw three picks last year also a guy that's played a lot. I mean played in what cannon is freshman year thirteen thirteen ten last year with the covert. So you got. That's played a ton of football. I told you you know like david smells. There's a lot of people that think. Davis mills is the best quarterback. We were talking about this last six six. There's a lot to think he's the fourth best. Oh yes four fourth. I'm like them more than failed in jones. Look at chris. Emms okay christians okay. It was big on on males. I saw that after we talked about it over the weekend. I'm i'm not taking that bet with you right now that it would be him before tracker mills. I think that when i look at him. He's a guy that i do appreciate. That slowly gotten better every single year. He looks like dak prescott to me. Deck was much more fluid. I think one of the things and you said it with mind and when you said it. I'm like you definitely. I mean what we're talking about you know about guys that don't always throw with great touch. I mean on a throw. That's just three yards. You know he's trying to drill it through somebody. He looks very stiff. He looks like he's trying so hard to you. Know to be mechanically right and i. I don't know to me. I loved dak prescott as a quarterback in college he was really fluid and by the way one some really big games on his back monde his. You know the one thing that you said and other people that i've argued with about monde on. There's no doubt that twenty twenty was his best season. It was not only as best season in the way he played. It was his best season in team. Results the win over. Florida was was probably his biggest win. Since he's been the quarterback there florida was ranked third in the country. Or whatever they were florida's defense though was atrocious this year and he was outstanding in that game and he was better this year than he was in previous years. You go back though in some of those games and especially when jimbo got to texas and they had some big aims and there were some big anti expectations and you know as a team as an offense they they consistently fell flat in some of those big games whether it was against they played clemson a couple years ago. in In death valley. they've you know they. They had clemson and alabama and georgia all on their schedule in twenty nineteen. I think it was. It could have been twenty eighteen and And and it just wasn't even he wasn't even close to being good enough not even close so i remember those games. They stick out to me Because they were big games. But you're right. He got better this year. He got better in the. The team's results were much better with him. This year I give credit for that. But he's too stiff and not fluid enough for me known. It's funny because you you watch pro day like we were talking about his feet and doesn't look like it's so much better. Credit clearly worked on very hard going into that produce like the top of the drop type of stuff but cash just so upright and so rigid. right Look both he does have a massive arm and and it's not like it's deliberate launchpad throw like he let go. You can let it fly. I mean it's not like he's got to put his whole body into it he can. He can throw it. But he's a fastball pitcher. I also got a guy out of fear. changeup bro. You know you talked about you. Know can the guy lead him downfield with the game on the line too many times. The answer was no too many times in the thing is he doesn't have all the intangibles to do that. I just don't he he. He's when you're leading them down the field man you you've got to be able to move a little bit on the run just whip went out there and you gotta be able to get the check down quick. There's too many like need to see. It has to have it and works really well when they're operating than that. Rpo can go zone. Read can keep a run past mix when it's straight past. He just doesn't have the pure intangibles in would from what. I like as a quarterback to make any kind of throw gotta be more right for him They're both very different. Quarterbacks which makes it interesting You know i think mills is a project for sure. You see more like pure quarterback type stuff that you liked for mills. I think monde is a guy that you know. More of what you're getting and we'll be a slow developing progress through the nfl where you may be able to play him a little bit earlier. I don't know if the ceilings there. But i i mean when you're talking about the next guy. If these were to be and they will be. They will be the sixth and seventh and eighth wherever traffic watch him. I don't think either of these guys. I'd take before the fourth round. Yeah i i'm glad you said that. That's that's sort of the way. I felt About both of them In watching them just remembering watching them not a lot of mills at all for me in terms of even remembering him because he didn't play that much. but god i watched a lot of kalamata over the last three or four years. And i just remember each each time in each game. This guy's got an nfl alarm and he's an nfl prospect. And i'm like no no. Thank you I i do like kyle. Trask though so i am interested to see what you think of. Trask as a as a as a pro prospect and the other guy to that i really loved when he was awake and we didn't get to see him last year but there was a lot of. You know buzz about new in the year in him playing in the sec this year before he opted out Because of covid I would have loved to have seen what kind of year he he would have. Had georgia on that team with that defense this year because they really were not good enough offensively. So maybe those are the two we shoot for doing on wednesday. I'm surprised he opted out. Yeah are you I mean this was a huge opportunity. That was a really good. Football team accepted quarterback in. And they just they they had their struggles offensively. But diff- defensively in the sec. Georgia was better than obama. Florida and lsu defensively this year. I mean it was not what you're gonna have the ability. You're going to have the chance to run more of an offense that everyone wants to be run. Yes like wake had that weird delayed zone. Read offense that they ran so much remember. We talked about that. He's they're walking to the line of scrimmage before they're pulling it and some weird stuff that wake did yeah i would have loved to have seen I would have loved to have seen him with georgia this year. They just could not score enough when it mattered And they had the kid from sc daniels ending. Ended up being being in the lineup. jt daniels. And then the guy had the guy steps and bennett early and neither one of them was newman talent wise. I don't think so But newman apparently had a shitty practice week in mobile. So you know that's a that's knocked him down. I mean i barely even hear his name anymore. Watching him at wake. He looked like he had something to him. I think trask is just really tough in big and strong and a guy that will be in the nfl. you know. i hate to say this. But he sort of reminds me of you know the guy that i told you that i liked coming out of oregon state That is the backup in minnesota. I'm forgetting stay right now. I loved him so much. And i thought he would definitely start games in the nfl with the guy. The guy that that sean signed in is with or was with the yes sean. Manion like to me. There's a lot of sean manion and kyle trask similarities. But i think trask is even manion was a big dude whereas manion now with them signing stafford. I'm assuming he's not in l. a. I have no idea where manion is. No he's not. But sean did like la last year. We had him there. But i can't even remember to be honest with you. I don't talk to sean about manual. He was the he was in minnesota last year. But he's not on their team right now. I think he still a free. He might be a free agent Okay so overall basically you wouldn't pick either one of these guys before the fourth round right We're done for the day coolio. Be back with me on wednesday tommy. Tomorrow have a great day.

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"If you'd like to make your nfl games a little more interesting. you've come to the right place even money. Podcast with russ tucker and steve. Yeah vegas baby vegas. It is the even money podcast presented by draftkings. And i am former nfl player. Ross tucker check me out on social. At ross tucker. Nfl five teams seven years. Those of you that check us out on youtube. Youtube dot com slash. Ross tucker. Nfl you can see the helmets behind me. Washington buffalo new england dallas. As i like to say it was an awesome temp job in my twenties. Now i got a bunch of podcast. Ross tucker football podcast three days a week in the offseason daily during the season we got the fantasy fees podcast for the fantasy. Focus college draft. Podcast if you're into that andrew. Brandt does the business of sports. And of course this podcast. They even money podcast so fired up to dive into draft gangs. Free to play fifty thousand dollar round one pool on today's show. And make sure you guys ready to win as much as you possibly can of those winnings on the draftkings free to play pool the star this show though not me and i make no bones about it. It is deep as the only two time winner of the super bowl of professional football sports betting the super contests at the west gate casino. Check steve out on twitter at physics. You can always follow all of our shows that i already mentioned at ross tucker pod steve what is my man love contest roster should be a fun. Show discussing your best opportunity to cash in the contest. Yeah i love it. I mean here. We are recording this nine days away from the nfl draft. You and i will die in hot and heavy on all of the potential. Nfl draft bets on the d. Case sportsbook at next week should be awesome. Can't wait to see what bet you are firing up. But we know there's also a lot of listeners in places where they can't bet on the drag me steve year in pennsylvania. They don't let you bet on the draft. So i am all about the free to play fifty thousand dollar pool. It's ten questions and then based on how you answer those ten questions steve. They divvy up the fifty thousand dollars. So i guess let's just start with that when you're in a contest like this. We'll get dive into the questions. Ten questions those of you again. That are watching on youtube. You can see. I got the app pulled up on my iphone right now. Those of you that are just listening. Of course obviously pull up the free to play fifty thousand. Nfl draft around one pool on your draftkings app. But you are the guy that's one contest. Steve like major test so before we dive into these specific questions. What do we need to know as a relates to entering contests such as these the number one strategy. I would absolutely asking to do is to submit your entry as late as possible. Don't submit early because the information changes now. It certainly changes during an nfl week if you're an in an nfl contest. Injury updates and the like point spreads move but those movements pale in comparison to what you're going to see in the draft. We've already seen that with who's going to go. Third in terms of tremendous line moves on the choices. And we're going to keep seeing those as the draft approaches. You're the severe disadvantage if you try to pick the winners with incomplete imperfect information now versus a week from now done okay so it says you just have to enter the contest by eight. Pm eastern time on thursday. The twenty ninth when the first round of the nfl draft. Start so it. Sounds like steve. Theoretically you could make all ten of your picks at seven forty five thursday night when pretty much any information. It's going to come out at that. Point has come out exactly and that really is your best opportunity. Now the one aspect of this. That's curious is that you're going to have so many people entering that it might be optimal for you to take a flyer pick something. That's extremely unlikely. For instance who's going to go number two in the draft. If you wanna play contrarian hey you're gonna have a ninety nine percent chance. Perhaps being eliminated right with that question. But if you get a right then you're going to be ahead of ninety nine percent of the people right so it's interesting because it looks like a bunch of people get money on this thing. I mean up to nine thousand seven hundred and fifty people get some money as they divvy out the fifty thousand dollars. So i place. The thousand second-place five hundred third through tenth is one hundred but there could be a lot of people that end up doing this steve. So you gotta make sure that you are ready to go and it certainly seems to me like you wanna make sure you have the right pick. But it's a good point if you wanna win if you wanna get first place. Do you go contrarian and really there are certain opportunities. I feel like steve. Where you can go contrarian a little bit and there's others where boy you need to take the chalk i mean let's start with this okay. Who will be the second overall pick is question one. They've got zack. Wilson trae lance justin feels trevor lords. Penny soul. Any other player. Those six choices. I think at this point. We all know it's going to be zach wilson. I guess you could take a flyer. Their stephen go just in fields. But that does feel like it's eliminating you on one that we certainly not like the next one who will be the third pick who will be the fourth pick. That's where i feel like there's variants and you can maybe take a shot. I feel like with the second pick. You gotta go. zach wilson. Young agree if the choices were. Just zack wilson or somebody else. All right at that point you could go in and take your flyer. Maybe you win. Two percent of the time three percent of the time. But let's face it. You could go contrarian and pick the wrong guy we don't even know might go over wilson if olsen should fall out of a window and break a leg or something so because of that. I think you do have to wilson to go. Second aren't now is where it gets interesting. And this is where it gets interesting for every aspect of the draft. I mean you. And i we do this every week. Where we talk about the best bats in the nfl and otherwise we'll be all over talking about the line movement with the third overall. Pick next week year on the even money pod gas. Because i've still got some strong opinions. But i kind of lay out here right now. They've got zack. Wilson justin fields mack jones. Trae lance jomar chase any player you know after the niners made that trade steve mac jones was the favourite but in recent days after his second pro day. It's been just feels last time. I looked at it. I think just fields was maybe minus one twenty five. I think mack jones plus one fifty. What does that mean when you're in a pool like this should you just go with the odds on favorite and just say fields or should you go jones. You say you know what. I'm taking a shot. It's neither guy. I'm going trae lance. It's complicated. you've got a forecast. Let's assume fields is forty percents And let's assume the mac jones's thirty percents in everyone else else's thirty percents and then all right. Well i'll take fields. He is the best chance. But if you assume more than half the people are gonna take fields then maybe goal contrary. No i'm gonna go a little contrarian. I'll go with mac jones here hoping that more people will select fields. I think it's pretty close to fifty fifty between those two being the most likely you know. I'm gonna go mack jones. I talked to sage rosenfels this week on the ross tucker football podcast sage played four. Kyle shanahan for several years in houston with the texans and he said that his initial thoughts were that. There's no way kyle shanahan would make this move up all the pics to get number three overall for mac. Joe just didn't think he was that physically impressive but he went back and he watched the sec championship game. You know jones had a joe burrow esque. Season steve seventy seven percent. He was absolutely phenomenal all year and he really does compare favorably to guys. I know and sage rosenfels knows that kyle shanahan loves match. Shabaab kirk cousins. I even put on our social feed today at ross tucker pod steve that that sage said that he thinks sometimes kyle shanahan so confident with his ability to design. Plays and get guys open. He just wants an accurate executor's he just wants a guy that consistent and can execute accurately day in and day out. That sounds a lot like mac. Jones other words cow. Shani just wants person to do what he tells them to do. All right i need the extra stuff if you just do how i lay it out. We will win. Because i'm good. I'm going back jones steve. I'm with you all right. So we have consensus so far. Be interesting to see where we vary as we move forward. Yeah now it gets a little tougher. Who will be the fourth overall. Pick right now. It's the atlanta falcons that are making that selection as we record this. You never know. If a trade goes down somebody moves up there to try to get a quarterback. You know they could go. Quarterback they being the falcons a guy like trae lance or justin fields. They could also take somebody else here. Here's the choices. Zack wilson. Just in fields. Pennies tool jomar chase trae lance or any other player. I gotta tell you steve. I am tempted to either go trae lance and they get a quarterback or any other player and think. That new falcons head coach. Arthur smith wants to get kyle pits tight end out of florida. You know that's interesting because you do go any other player. And i thought about this. Not many people going to select that. I think in terms of their overall selections. So you're going contrarian against the field ultimately i'm going to go slightly contrary and i'm gonna go trae lance to go fourth year. The lesser known quarterback if you will while the lesser covered one than fields so trey lance for me number four. I'm doing any other player. I think it's kyle pitch either atlanta. Maybe somebody even trades up for kyle pits. I'm going any other player. So on the third question. We have our first disagreement. What about the fifth overall. Pick zack wilson. Trae lance just in fields jomar chase pennies tool any other player right now the cincinnati bengals hold the fifth overall. Pick much of the conversation has centered around pencil and jomar chase but you could still go any other player here. Because kyle pits again isn't listed to any other player here or soul or chase or somebody else if you want steve. I'm gonna go any other player. I'm gonna go and fifth here and the latest odds. I saw as he's favored to be a top five. Pick so he's not going one two three fourth or fifth. Ross you a fourth on any other player. I'll take that for this election. So i i'm going to lean penny sore here. I think the bengals are more likely to take pennies tool than jomar chase. What about this strategy. Those of any other player back to back in other words. I i think four or five one of them will be pissed so i almost guarantee myself getting one of those right but i also kind of guarantee myself getting one of them wrong and it feels like if you get one of the first four wrong. You're probably not going to be in the money. I don't think you can go any other player for both four and five because really pisses the only guy that has a viable chance. So you're going to want to go any other player for one of those not for both are now we get some of the first guy at position to be drafted again on the draft kings free to play fifty thousand dollar pool. Love these pools by the way. So i love pools in general by way. We just opened our pool. Steve april nineteenth. We opened our pool. It is very very cold but attala. I'm trying to stay. Lean trying to keep my weight down as a former player. Swim latte. it's so it's so easy and good on your joints. You swim out there in vegas or no poll sixty eight degrees. So i've been the water's always recirculating. So it never really gets very warm and working out. In the pool is underrated push ups. You can go ahead and do crunches against the side of the pool across board. Obviously i'm not doing enough of them But you really don't need a gym even like when i go for a long walk. Jog redundancy a park bench if twenty five push-ups on the bench. You know both things like that you can avoid that. Gmc's all the germs of the gym just by being active. Yeah i i just like the total body workout of the poor. We're doing an advertisement for fools here. We're not we're talking about the draft gangs fifty thousand pool who will be the first wide. Receiver drafted boy. It feels like it would be a major surprise. Jomar as i did see something recently or someone suggested perhaps jalen waddell. But i'm going to march as their steve yet. Chase over the alabama wide receivers. I think it's a slam dunk. I'd be willing to lay like minus five hundred. Plus he goes. I chase it is all right. The next question is interesting. Who will be the first running back drafted the. Here's the three options though. Nashi harris from alabama travis from clemson. And then any other player slash no running back strat in the first round does not just any other player no running backs going in the first round you know be. I'm sure there's gonna be people that get them all right. It's not going to be easy. Steve because this this feels to me almost like a third a third a third between these three options. Yeah very interesting. The latest numbers i saw was harris about twenty eight ec n about thirty four so maybe harris a sixty percent bed. But it's certainly possible. That's against the n. Certainly possible nobody goes in the first round. I'm gonna go chok and go harris but certainly can make a case for the other. Two options speci- with harris have an ankle issue. I guess they say it's healed now. I'm gonna go eat the end now. I'm to say someone wants some speed. Someone wants that burst. And they want a guy that's healthier. The nashi harris all go will differ there. The next one is who will be the first defensive player draft but before we get to that speaking of defense. Mas vidal uis. They put on absolute show the last time they stepped into the octagon round to shirt a pack a punch. Here's all you need to know whether it's you have see this weekend or hockey basketball whatever. It is draft. Draftkings has unbelievable promotion for you. Just make sure you put the code in ross and they have some ridiculous offers including this weekend code. Ross to turn five dollars into one hundred thirty dollars if the fighter of your choosing takes home the crown limited time only at draftkings sportsbook. I defensive player drafted caleb farley. Mike parsons gregory russo. Patrick ser tan the second. Quit e pay or any other player slash node defensive players drafted in the first round. I can tell you right now. It's not gonna be russo or kayla parley. So don't pick one of those guys. I tend to doubt parsons. There's some concerns about him off the field. Then you've got ser tan you've got quickey pay or you've got the any other player no defensive player trap in the first round steve. Why think we're going to get a defensive player drafted. Ross i'll 'certain you know. It's interesting because i looked at some of my initial mock drafts and i asked my expert. One of my draft experts about that. And he echoed. What you said about parsons. Because i saw parsons was very highly fought of and he said that one of his biggest bets was fading to have not go in the top ten. So through a black marker through his name lance man 'certain it's either patrick's tan the second or quickey pay. I would go patrick tan. The second i think you know he's pretty much generally considered the best corner in the draft. There's not a dominant defensive. Linemen linebackers don't usually go that high. I don't know you always know the percentages. That's why you're my co-host here on the even money podcast but it certainly seems like patrick ser. Tan is the odds on favourite to be the first defensive player drafted so i would lean there that time. I guess look you could think maybe the cowboys at ten denver at night. One the other teams. Maybe they take a quick pace. Something like that or a mike parsons. It's possible but i would lean ser tan the second as well so i feel like the next one we on some level almost already answered because it's which of the listed players will be selected. I justin fields trae lance or mack jones. So if we all continue to assume. It's trevor lawrence. Won and zack wilson. To we think it's going to be one of these quarterbacks. That goes three to the forty niners so i guess my question steve. You have to make the same pick here that you did for who goes third overall right like you a match those two you have to and kudos to draft kings are basically asking you. Are you paying attention to your experience. You're not don't get to win. That would be amazing as all these Entries come in if they just looked at it like all right. This feels like a Like almost like an intelligence test like what did what they put for the second question though overall take match what they put for the eighth question. If the answer is no they are a moron. Don't ever talk to them in any capacity ever again because really that's what it is right like. I guess what st there might be people that aren't paying attention that closely or they're not paying as they fill this out because it's a free to play pool. Is there any value in in splitting up so you get one of them right in other words. let's say you're torn between fields and mack jones for the niners at three. Is there any logic in picking one at one spot and the other the other you get one of them right at least know because they don't they're not giving your price for finishing in the middle if you do exceptionally well okay. So the next question is a pretty interesting one. How many we'll be talking about this next week when we look at some of the odds for this stuff because obviously every week here on the even money podcast we dominate any. Nfl beds and even other bets masters march madness triple crown stuff like that and iraq. Obviously those who've been listening or watching for awhile you know that we are up in the one hundred plus units combined over. The last five years that is documented. Go back and check. Some of our previous episodes for are documented. Track record of success here on the even money podcast. How many quarterback. Steve will be drafted in the first. The over under is five and a half under five and a half. And frankly i don't. I don't see this as being even viable option. The six guys gonna go based upon the latest over unders on all these various backup quarterbacks that are available i think the highest was mills from stanford at around sixty two. He's supposed to be selected so nowhere close to the i drown This one's a slam dunk under five. I will go as well. you know. it's funny every year. Steve they around this time you start to hear those reports could team. Xyz sneak into the back of round one to draft quarterback j k l at the fifth year option on him and it very rarely happens. I mean i guess you could argue that the packers kinda did that with jordan love last year but i just don't think it's it happens all that often and i don't think i mean if you already have five guys go in the first round and we think they will buy pick twenty the latest. What team exactly trading up back into the first round. And i just don't see it happening. I think there's more likely nobody even goes in the second round. I say it's more likely know. Quarterbacks go in the second round then one go then six go in the first round. I agree with that. And you know jordan. Love was supposed to go in the first round. He just went like four slots earlier than we thought he would win. You know the packers traded up for him so There's no quarterback that has any Resume or any evaluation right now. War the of going top fifty other than the big five which by the way appears to have been a terrible draft choice thus far for the packers rodgers is going to be their quarterback again this year. Steve which means in the four years. You have a rookie quarterback on a cheap contract which is supposed to be the point of drafting them. The packers won't even used jordan love. Barring an injured aaron rodgers for fifty percent of that contract mover. he might not play next year either. I'm gonna come over the top during the loveless the best draft pick in the draft last year because it lit a fire underneath aaron rodgers who had been struggling with mediocre average performances. The last couple of years and suddenly became the mvp. You know. for a fact steve. That's what brian good accounts. The gm for the packers meetings. He'll never say that publicly but in meetings he's like boys. This is all me mission accomplished. I lit a fire under rodgers got. Mvp sees natta them. That was the reason why we did it. But we'll see that's that is interesting perspective. I'm sure that's what the packers are selling internally. I'm not sure that i am buying that one. The last one. This is interesting. Total number of twenty twenty one first round picks traded after eight pm eastern time on four twenty nine so this is during the first round of the draft. How many picks get traded to the different team can make that selection the over under said it six and a half. I gotta tell you. I haven't done a lot of research on this to know what the averages or what's customary. I usually leave that to you. Yeah i did take a look in and last year there were four the two years before six and seven but i checked the fine print on this question. Ross this is trades at are gonna occur once the draft begins so the the the trades already occurred. Don't count correct. And if that's the case under six and a half looks like a slam dunk to me. Yeah i'll go under six and a half. They're not they're not counting the ones that have already been traded their toll number of traded after eight pm so After eight pm is when it starts there could be even another trade right before the draft starts. They're talking about trade on the clock. I seven sounds like a lot when we've already had several teams moving around like they have a lot. I'm with you. I will take the under six and a half like these questions from draftkings in the free. Fifty thousand our nfl draft around one pool next week on the fantasy fee. Steve we will have the number one. Mock drafter over the last five years ben standing. Make sure you listen to that because he gets more right than anybody else with his mock draft. They they track these things. So make sure you're subscribing. Listen or watch the fantasy. Feast podcast next week. Tomorrow's fancy feast. We're breaking down the running backs and tight ends. That are in the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft next week. 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Goodell's Comments, Quincy Avery & Sage Rosenfels | Wednesday Mailbag

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Goodell's Comments, Quincy Avery & Sage Rosenfels | Wednesday Mailbag

"Hey, guys got great show coming for you this. We take aways off the top, not one but two special guests, and as always we wrap things up with six pack. Let's go. All right welcome into CNN. QB podcast with Albert is the middle of June right now. That means there's not a whole lot going on a bunch of teams. Shut down their off-season programs. I'm at the end of last week. I think you'll see more of that this week. Probably some teams going into next week with their young guys, but for the most part, the virtual part of the offseason program is over a lot of. Of, coaches have sort of felt like they've gotten to the point where they've done what they can do over the computer. They're gonNA let guys go. They're gonNA let their coaches go, and we'll see where it goes from here. We don't know one coaches and players are going to report back the date for most teams July twenty eighth. The question now becomes whether or not they're going to be showing up to camp early. To accommodate a longer acclimation period, or if they show up on time again that report date for most teams July twenty eighth. With the idea that they had the acclimation period. Cancel some preseason games. To accommodate the that that period of time so that's what's ahead right now. We still have plenty for you here. We got two great guests coming in, but we're GONNA start as we always do at the takeaways and I take away for the week. I. Don't know if you guys were watching on Tuesday night, Roger Goodell this actually Monday night Roger. Goodell went on ESPN as part of This return to sports special that all the commissioners on told Mike Greenberg on Colin Kaepernick. If you want to resume his career in the NFL. Then obviously, it's going to take a team to make that decision, but I welcome that support club making that decision. Encourage them to do that if efforts are on the field. But continuing to work on the space, we welcome him to the table and to help us guide us. Help us make better decisions about the kinds of things that need to be done in the communities. We have invited him in before. We WanNA make sure that everybody's welcome at that table and trying to help us deal with some very complex difficult issues that have been around for a long time, but I hope we're at a point now, where everybody is committed to making long-term sustainable change, so my basic. Take away from this is that I think getting Colin Kaepernick on the roster is going to be a little complicated right now for a couple of different reasons. Number one I think it's part of the issue is going to be if the NFL manufacturer something. Does he see that as patronizing? Does he see a team trying to do it to make themselves look good as he see it as the team trying to put the issue to bed, and so rightfully because that trust has been broken over the last three or four years between Colin, Kaepernick, and League there there is the question of how he views and opportunity, if it does come along the next question from a football standpoint. is He willing to go somewhere? On a will see deal. DOES HE WANNA play bad enough? Where if team says we'll bring you in on the minimum, or we'll bring you in less than a million bucks, and there's no guarantee that you're going to make the team, but we will give you an opportunity, and you'll get erupts in the summer and you'll get to get your chance. Is that good enough and on the flip side? How many teams are willing to do that? Knowing they may create a problem for themselves if they have to cut calling cabinet at the end of camp, because remember. Last time con- cabinet play, there were questions that summer over whether or not, he was GonNa make the forty niners roster. They had tried to trade him earlier in the year. They benched him during the year. So the other possibility after now this would be seasons away that he may not be in position to make an NFL team as there, and so that's part of it too i. just think this is. This is not a straight line. And and look like I love to see Colin Kaepernick has left. I love to see how he's able to evolve as a player. You may remember like his explosion onto the scene happened right one. During Tibo Mania in two thousand and you know right after to Tibo Mania, two thousand eleven, two thousand twelve rg three had the huge year was rookie of the year, so while the sort of scheme stuff and the sort of the different types of college offenses were hitting the NFL. Colin Cabernet just right and was awesome for a couple of years in his career, tailed off from there, and so I'd be fascinated to see what the next chapter to that is. I think you know it would be a good message to everybody to see him. Get his opportunity I think some of this is going to come down to a finding a team. That's willing to do it that of course is first, and then be how this opportunity is presented to him and what he's willing to accept, and so there are still some things to work out there. My guess, is he probably you know? He probably gets an opportunity and again then the question would become whether or not. It's good enough. I'm interested to see how all that plays out it's GonNa be fascinating to watch especially. During a year in which for the first time it feels like quarterback supply really outweighed demand where no. You had cam. Newton you still have Cam Newton out there. Joe! FLACCO was out there without a job for quite some time and you know wound up going to a place where he knows the general manager, Joe Douglas was actually the area scout who evaluated him coming out of Delaware. In Two thousand eight in Baltimore. You know you had James Winston available for a long stretch during the off season, so we've seen this off season. It's been a different one at the quarterback position, but I'd love to see what it would look like Khan cabinet, getting on a roster and competing for a spot and the unique thing that I think is going to make it the thing that's unique about this year. I think makes it a little different as you probably won't Cry Training Camp You're not gonNA. Have crowd in the stadium, so you don't have to deal with all that and on top of it. You know I think more teams are probably looking at the idea of adding him from a non football standpoint as a positive versus where you know three or four years ago. I think a lot of teams would have looked at the idea of him. In is like Oh. We have to deal with this and this and this I think is different now and I think that's because so much has changed in our country questioned or a takeaway number two. This is come up. It's going to continue to come up. covid nineteen the situation in Dallas, the situation in Houston Zeke getting it. We've heard now. Coaches talk about quarantining quarterbacks. Bruce Arians in Tampa, brought it up Doug Peterson and phillies and other one who brought it up. To me like the whole idea of what you do. Coming out of positive cases, a fascinating one, and so I like this is this isn't going to affect on Miller Zeke Elliott or any of the guys who have it now. In fact like some of those guys might wind up being better off getting it now because you know they, they would have built up some immunity. By the time we get the training camp there are a lot of open questions there and I think those are the questions that we need to start asking what happens when a guy test positive is. He automatically on the shelf for two weeks? What happens if a team has a position group wiped out by? And you know like. How do you handle the reserve lists and I'm assuming there's GonNa be a special reserve for covid nineteen, because it's going to be hard to feel the team if there's now breaking your locker room, and you don't have somewhere to put those players and saved the roster spot, so you can go out and play on a week to week. Week basis and so You know I don't think that this is going to affect necessarily Zeke I don't think there's going to affect the cowboys who were tested positive this week or the Texans. Who tested positive this week, but I do think the idea raises questions and questions that I think Doug Peterson and Philly and Bruce Arians in Tampa were sort of. Starting to answer like how do you handle your roster? Manage your roster knowing that even in a symptomatic player, a guy who doesn't feel well guy who feels fine, but has covid nineteen might be forced to. The sideline might not be able to play for you. lots of stuff as far as that goes to work out and you know again. This is why some of the teams have really supported the idea pushing the season back because they would like to see how that works, and other sports doesn't look like it's going to happen, because the league wants to push forward with the season as scheduled. Takeaway number three Dan Quinn on the Atlanta Falcons coach said this when he was asked about whether or not he would kneel with his players. If in one the players choose to protest, whatever that way they choose, then hell. Yeah, I'll support them and whatever they choose to do. Let's get that out I I think it's a good message from Dan? Quinn but I think it's got extra weight to it, too. Just because of who des Moines is. What is history is who he's been. This is a guy who is embedded with the military as any coach in the NFL. he has great respect from the military. He was involved at the at the ground floor level with MVP the venture nate. Boyer and I'm Jay. Glazer started to connect athletes with veterans and help them transition out, and so I think the fact Dan. Quinn the ones saying this has great weight all the other guys, too like the other coaches I think bill O'Brien saying there's there's there's way too a lot of other coaches coming out and supporting their players in this, and saying that they will neal with their players. There is power in that. Think Dan Quayle. To the military I think that adds a little extra weight to it and to me I. thought that was really interesting takeaway number four. Byran left which said something really interesting about Tom Brady. When he was asked this week, he said I think the greatest challenges this. He's been somewhere for twenty years. You guys know some of you may have worked at the same job for twenty years, and you've done something for twenty years in one spot, and there's changes automatically different. It doesn't matter if it's better or worse, it's. It's just different, and I try to communicate with him I. Want Him to just talk football I know you've been saying things that certain way for so long, so it's not a play that he hasn't heard of. It's not a play. He hasn't run. We just got to figure out what he does well and make sure we run a lot more those plays on Sunday not. This I think goes back to the whole plan for Tom Brady going into this off season. When Bruce Arians and Jason Light signed Tom Brady. The agreement they came to was. It was going to be easier for Brady to learn everyone else's offense than it would be for everyone else Brady's offense and so they were going to keep the Bruce Arians. Dialect that that that nomenclature in place, so how Bruce Arians calls? In offense how he terms certain things. That's GONNA. Stay the same for the benefit of the other ten guys in the huddle and Brady was going to have to learn it, and then in turn they were GonNa work through the offense. Find the stuff that Brady likes the stuff that Brady does well and Taylor. The offense to Brady I remember talking to a couple of guys there. Who said there's everything the evidence Brady needs to do is in the offense. You just have to find it, so they're in the process of finding. I think what's really really what's going to be. Something to watch here is how the box are able to continue to challenge Brady with new stuff how they're able to challenge him. In this Bruce Arians this Christianson this is for Byron left, which is for everybody? WHO's GonNa work with Brady how they're going to make the offense fit for him how they're going to make complex enough where? He can use his mind cause. That's his strength. uses his experience because that's his strength while at the same time making it simple enough for everybody else around him to run it effectively, and so that part is going to be fascinating seeing all that come together because for the last twenty years. mean. They've been sort of revising and tweaking and changing a little bit, but they haven't been. The the Patriots have sort of made that offense fit like a glove for. Now, he's GonNa Start from zero, and I think that piece of it's interesting and coming from such a detailed detailed militaristic place like it's going to be interesting, seeing him coming out of there, and going somewhere else, and whether the detail matches how he's going to handle that on a week to week basis the very very competitive guy, very detail guy, and so I'm just I'm interested to see how the next couple of months ago with Brady and Bruce Arians Brady and Byron Left Ledge. Brady and Clay Christiansen then of course Brady Mike Evans Brady Chris Godwin Brady OJ Howard Cam. Break all that I. Think's going to be really really interesting. Takeaway number five The niners did the right thing paying Kyle Shanahan. Nine, hundred, the right thing giving Kyle Shanahan a second six year contract. It's rare that coaches contracts that long. This is the second time he's gotten one the first time you've got a six year contract. It was because it was hard to trust. The niners based on how they'd gone through coaches in the years previous you may remember. Harbaugh was the coach in fourteen Jim. Tomasulo was the coach and. And fifteen chip Kelly was the coach sixteen, so they were going on their fourth coach and four years this time around Kyle. Shannon's getting a new deal because he earned it, he he I believe and I'm yeah, he if he's not there, he's close. I believe he's one of seven coaches in the NFL now, making ten million dollars or more joining bill ballot check Sean Payton. John Harbaugh Pete Carroll. Jon Gruden depending on how you look at this deal Sean mcvay, so those seven guys Belch Peyton Harbaugh Carol Gruden Shanahan McVeigh. Are the only guys making eight figures a year in the NFL from coaching standpoint. Is it worth it. Hello. Yeah, it's worth it. Do you know many players make ten million dollars a year one, hundred, Eighty, eight, one, hundred and eighty eight players make ten million dollars a year, and those guys, county and salary cap these guys. These seven guys make ten million bucks and. I look at the list. Ballot, check as one six. Super Bowl Payton's won a super bowl. Harbaugh's want Super Bowl. Carols want a super bowl. GRUDEN's won a super bowl and I'd say Kyle and Kyle Shanahan and Sean mcvay or the to premier young coaches in football. All seven of those guys are worth every penny in count against the salary. Cap It if you compare to a players are making. It's really I mean like. It's middling. If you compare it to. What players are making in a sport like football, having the right head coach is so important, and so I don't think there's a better bargain. There may not be a better bargain in sports than having one of these elite head coaches. In the NFL at that rate, so good on the niners could on Kyle Shanahan for finding the right place and finding a place that leaves them and finding a place that will go all in on him It's like I said. That's money very well. Spent by the San Francisco. Forty nine and we will get to our first of two guests right after. You guys now we've had a bunch of different guys who've worked with quarterbacks on over the last few months in different stages of everything that's been going on in our country, the on the challenges that some players have. Faced and so wanted to have one of my favorite guys on a guy. We talked last year with for the column on the the Black quarterbacks summit that he'd put together last year a little more difficult to pull something like that off this year, but he's been working with all of his guys through all this Quincy Avery at private quarterback coach at a qb takeover going on, but. I'm doing excellent. I'm good I'm good all right, so so let's start here. You work with. You work with the Shawn Watson with Dwayne. Haskins with Josh's off with Jalen hurts so I, think obviously the first question at the beginning of all this would have been. You know back in March. Like. How do we go forward? So if you can take me back there where you at kind of how you guys started to put together a plan for what you wanted to work on how you guys were actually going to pull it off so interesting enough. To Sean was in Atlanta when everything kind of started to pick up. On, just got literally came from jalen hurts. Pro Day flew back to Atlanta to sean was just starting his. Will we go six weeks? Our schedule getting ready to frame to camp in. We're just beginning that process so. It was very tricky. really really rapidly. It went from US trying to work out every day to us, not being able to. Though to me fields right all the fields. legit. Shutdown we couldn't go anywhere. so that could. WE ENDED SHELVES GARDEN GO BACK TO HOUSTON. So essentially almost. All the guys that I work with were incapable of doing anything for the first couple of weeks it was it was nothing none of the quarterbacks early, working or able to figure out much of a plan with the exception Jalen. Illinois His dad's a high school coach. So Jalen I starting at the white like these are the drills that work on. I'm GONNA send you a video of US doing the drill previously the doing the drill. And this is why our Oregon right now so that you're ready his time that he can and we've tried to do that every couple of weeks, Jalen. Sean I have talked a little bit with the way I. Don't send him drills in the same way. He's been doing a lot of different routes because he has a number of his receivers back on the Washington DC area. And he's actually gonNA. Be Flying into Atlanta this Friday so that we can get back together and start working. Kind of get a plan together for this last stretch, because it seems like the guys are not going back to work with their teams until around July fifteenth end of July seems like that's when they're going to be together. So like was it with each guy then? Was it like you're picking? You'd maybe already picked out some things that you guys wanted to work on this off season. Then it was just a matter of delivering the information to them. Like. What was it like with the and if you can't if there's insight you can give on on. What on what was that? Each guy wanted to work on, and that'd be great two. Years so with each quarterback we do is we watch all their throats? The previous season and we say all right. We need to work on X Y and Z, so it's pretty specific in terms of everybody's menu of things that they wanna be. want to improve on this upcoming year and there was this attack it we agree, and then we just go from there, so I set a plan of attack exactly what those things are very. Dwayne the little bit different than Schantz Oh, and then guys who didn't play like a Josh Dot Bucket in that many steps pleasure, so we don't look at the previous season in the same way it's like how do we do overall player improvement so that when you do get your opportunity this year. You're ready debt. Have a great stretch in continue career so. Everybody has that unique dynamic needs to their workout? If we don't have things previously we worked on. I'll get my yard not on those things explain it a bit by bit, so it's really. How can I really relay the information that I want to understand? And making sure that we agree on the steps we WANNA. Take to get better at all those different things, so you said what? You had a six week plan then. That was like this is GonNa be the Ramp Up to OTA's, and that gets cut short. What were you working with under Shawn? Did he wind up coming back to it? I think he did right. Medium have gotten together. He didn't get to come back to later, so he was gone. He actually flew back in for weekend, leading it to work out, but he had a six week, so it's like sixty menu. So I've literally. We've chartered out exactly how many throws exactly what we wanted to get done where we want to throw the ball footwork creatures throws. I'll. Try to let them if they want to talk about the individual things if they wanNA, improve on. I'll let them share. On. Kind of let him be the guy who. Said Information Okay so when you when you when you when you talk to them. What do they want like if you could give me that at least like beyond the specifics of what they wanted to improve on like? What were they looking for from you? Over the last you know over the last three months as far as guidance and all the rest of it because I you know most football players are are basically instruction their whole life, right? You know it's like it's from one thing to the next to the next to the next, and now all of a sudden these guys you know every one of them, not just quarterbacks or sort of sort of this environment where it's like are now it's to me. You know so were they were? What's what sorts of things were they looking for from you? On? As they kind of one about all right like this is how attack. So what I think, everybody just like you, said everybody these in once that structure, so they wanNA know okay. What what do I want to work on from on the field aspect right well. What are the things that are going to do there and what time Chad do? How many throws do I need to do? They don't WanNa. Have to think about all those little details. They just WANNA. Go Out and do work so being able to give them. This should do on the field now in the classroom setting. We'll watch him. Phil. Let's look at these this a study, these first four teams that way to work. We gotTA play. This year was limited their defensive coordinator it. As looked that they treat. Let's look what they did previously, so we have a really good idea. Understanding of exactly what that defensive coordinators can try do against US and then we go from there to like art. How do I become a better mental process how I start processing information better creating plans, and then I got each of my quarterbacks with a chest pro. Seth Makovsky with poison gone chess, so I got them all playing chess, so that we can start coming up with procedures that we can go through not only in chest, but at the line of scrimmage, so the same way we go to Chessboard I. Look Left to Right identify might threats where my under attack. How can I take them? Those are same sort of Simpson. You take one approach life scrimmage. What's the front? which way to say these rotated? Who can bring me? Pressure had I protect myself with that pressure. Okay? How do I attack the defense artless radio regular work, so we had a three pronged approach. Physical from the throwing on taking care of her body side mental in terms of the football side with defenses are going to do to us. And then understand better. What our teams are doing offense. DWAYNE got a whole new system to. Schantz got new ovens coordinator. Neil it's tough to connect with their coaches forbidden time to NFL rules, and then lastly how do I become a better process of information? So when I'm out there I'm operating on all cylinders and I'm not wasting mental energy doing things that I shouldn't be. I'm really like I'm fascinated by that part of the chest. Thing like y'all you hear the like that's not a new. That's not. That's not a new. Comparison comparing football to chest, but you think that's real like you think that we're the idea that come from so I got connected. With the GUY said. probably a year and a half ago and I've I've talked to use it in terms of how I operate a business. And then we started talking about how it works in terms of creating operating procedures for everything in life, and that's all quarterback is. Having a checklist of things that you need to do everytime committee line of scrimmage, so you're not wasting mental energy trying to figure things out at the last minute. You're not getting beat by blitzes because you just didn't check something that you should have checked, and you would've if you had the same process every time he came scrimmage. And I'm like this will be really really helpful if I keep my guys doing this each one of. Has Really bought in. It said it's something that they do so I think that it's going to pay dividends. These guys are going to read the benefits of this upcoming season. Have you played chess against them? On the best. Josh Styles rocket scientists all that. He doesn't advocates. WHO's come close to beating you, Josh? He used to be me. Then I started like trait a train probably four days a week in. A flexible muscle Internet, so four guys that started playing I'll four guys get better. Okay. Do, you know it's interesting. I each guys sort of at a different stage, so let's go through each of them. Shine. Like, he's obviously already reached a level where he's a playoff quarterback so I would guess with him. It's probably more fine tuning. When you guys went back and looked at him last year. What what would you see in the way? He played quarterback last year. We saw I. am doing things physically that he's like one of very few people in the world can do and we're just like all right. We got beat a couple of times and things. Deep People on defense believe seen the now now prepared so just wrapping up the mental side of the game. He doesn't have that happens. It doesn't have that blanket anymore. Like all right things breakdown I start to hop on. Make a play now. He has to go there with a great plan of attack and really dissect people mentally, so he's getting the ball his hands. He's thrown on time and he's really doing a great job. Working through progressions and tiny fetus is in a position where. He can hit every single. Throw on time, and then if if that breaks down then be Superman and put on your Cape and I think that. Really. Our goal is for him to be the best quarterback NFO it. Amy At nothing short of that. He has all the talent in the world. In a great group of guys around now, so he's GonNa. He's GonNa be fine so I. Guess in a way. It's SORTA like he already knows how to be Michael Jordan now you're teaching them how to play point guard to. Do the little things over and over again right of. Sandy, percent, completion, percentage, Guy and do. Get just do everything exactly the right way, and then when that breaks down then do your thing. Okay how `Bout Dwayne Dwayne dot a little experience last year. He's going through a coaching change which is. Always tough on a young quarterback, and that he I he went from one player white collar to the next last year. He's a one year star Darren College. So when you when you got when you dwayne went back and looked at who he was a rookie. Dwayne was really just getting his feet wet and he didn't take a ton of snaps in college like you just mentioned. But we saw him learning progressing really quickly. Then it's easily I'm not sure people understand how much improved from game one to the last game and he showed. Like high level physical talent like he made some throws that you back on, and you're like. Wow, okay he has. or He has something. He wasn't like reckless with the football. Have a ton of turnovers and things like that now it's the thing for him is how do I go out there and just show those flashes more consistently. And be an. Especially for him him, the mental processes of the game, not just thinking about what the defense is doing, but now understand like owning my playbook. He has the own every nook and cranny, and he feels like he has a coaching staff who believes in him a lot more Dalek. He can go out there in be confident in the things that he's doing, and that's could allow him to take his game to the next level dwayne intend to full by cues. Probably one of the smartest guys that I've ever been around MC. He understands what people are trying to do on defense. All those things now has own. The information that he gets the plane book that he had when he owns that, and he understands all the checks always in and out of stuff now they're bringing the safety down the right side now. I got a candidate. Bring it back. He's getting all those nuances. He gets to take the time now to really study and understand that. But I think that when you even when you look. I think he just understands. The level of dedication, it takes to the game not that he didn't work hard before because he's always been a hard worker, but now he understands exactly what it takes to be. That NFL quarterback all the little details how to lead a group of men at the NFL, level who are professionals. You gets that now on the Oser things that are going to take up so in a way you're just saying like the like the weight loss. Their appeal made a big deal out how he's changes body. That's maybe like one piece of a bigger picture for microcosm of who he's trying to change himself into in terms of. Being the quarterback of a major franchise only the way that he shouldn't okay. It's interesting, too, because I know. Scott Turner knew new was on the staff at Michigan when he came in and won that game as a as a redshirt freshman. WHO's up in the box for that so I do want to ask about Jalen too because I think he's interesting and what? You guys what you saw on him because it seems as if. Like playing under Lincoln Riley, he took major steps forward last year at Oklahoma. Am going from Alabama to Oklahoma like? At least the evaluators I've talked to say something changed. was with him when you look back at him and what he was last year and Oklahoma's it more about kind of continuing the positive momentum. I think that Oklahoma. US given the ability. To freestyle a little bit, be comfortable zone skein adapt. Oklahoma's not super rigid. In terms of. Of the progressions and things like that, so that allowed him to just go out there. Play Ball! Be a great athlete in show, his ability to make throws right so that was great for him. He's now going back to something. That's more Ciller to Alabama in terms of. The command in the way you have to go through things in terms of work to Russians, you're working the wise stick side Bom and then take him is back the other way a work the dumps like he's doing all those things. That require a level of. Being meticulousness in terms of your footwork, your eyes and all those things. Oklahoma's great. It gave an opportunity, but now you take the next step in I, think. I know I've never seen so. The approve as much as passer as I saw Jalen, do not only to his career, but just in the time between January right the end of his college football season and his pro day, the the Mount of growth that he took in those short three. Matz was as big as I've ever seen anybody in that short period of time. And I think that people saw the eagles were Tinos at his pro day. I think they came away truly impressed. I highly look throwing the football day. so he has the physical talent. Now it's going to be. Can I go from? That open free flowing system Oklahoma. Bringing back to this new offense, going to be played by Carson wits, who oftentimes gives the back of opportunity to start a few games during season being ready when your time is called, so you can bring that value. Add from the second round. Pick that nobody else is GonNa get in the NFL. You can be the one of the few second round picks this season. Who really has opportunities swing games for the team like? Change the playoff outlet for the Philadelphia? Eagles when he goes in there and he starts a few games season, so it's imperative for him to be ready in the value of who he is in all the dynamic nece that he has the consistent improvement to is probably a good reflection who is to write because that's and I know he's a coach's on like you said so. That's probably I'm assuming what everybody says about the kid like it's really reflect his background the fact that he's a coach signs all reflected in what you reflected in what you see, the most disciplined hard-working young man you will ever be. Consistent in terms of that like you. You never have to worry about where he's going to be doing. He's doing the right thing. And you can hang your hat on her. Okay, so Josh Dobbs is obviously different wine, and that's like sort of in this developmental stage. Are you going back and looking at practice tape? Like how does that one work? No semi some clips like check this out. What do you think in here and? I'm like everybody else. I can access a lot of their film. soldier, send me different clips. Like what do you think here was this when Zach? But it is, we just work more like an holistic way at work with somebody getting ready for the draft like let's just continue to improve to. We can become the Guy and then go from there, so Josh is always working, he's. Of course we know all the great things. He does all to feel no strings, but these are truly talented, talented quarterback and I think we unlike a lot of other guys. He hasn't really got chances of backup quarterback to get those snaps. What he does. We'll get to see it on care so. I like it's always feels like you know and I remember the lockout in eleven. Like the way it was like we'd hear the stories and like November December. About how somebody did a little something extra were no was watching Is there something that want your is done this off season whether it's gathering teammates whether it's something. He did individually whatever it is. Is there something that you've seen? One of your guys do this off season? That has really impressed. You've been like wow like that guy. Right like like he is doing what it takes doing really has been somebody who's jumped out at me. In terms of all, the discipline turned to like the Diet getting right. We see that, but you don't see how he's. Organiz this teammates together in Washington like he's getting those guys on the field. He's installed on the new offense with those guys like he's doing all the little things that you need to take the league. and he I mean he shows a lot of cool stuff. But. He's not showing that when I think that's intentional. He just wants to do the work behind the scenes. Get those guys ready So that he really can own it. own the respect of his team mate so the way. Consistently brings his teammates together. He's getting the young guy skin old guy, the whole receiving crew together. I knowing plans start against the defensive guys involved as well and so we can do the whole seventy seven. It really together a true, Oh ta for for that team in. That's what I like did it by himself is not like he was like. What do I need to do like I got this these together? He understands what it takes. He's writing. It's probably great opportunity for a guy like him to contact the bull by the horns to write like a lot of times you lean on quarterback to do these sorts of things, and for a young guy to have the opportunity to to be able to like. This is up to me now. I'm GONNA show these guys who I am probably. A great opportunity for him and any young quarterback to show they are right now. He gets a stretch as his wings is. A leader gets to work on that muscle. It's all things that he needed. He was the Star at the college program for Year right so he didn't even get to flex like being the leader college team for for long, and then he comes in that comes into the redskins and he's not started. Start the season, so he's just. In. The quarterback ruled misconduct so you didn't get to work on that, and then he takes a team over midway through the year, and it's always up in the air and he's. He's learning on the fly. Now Guy. So. He really gets to work on these things in the perfect opportunity. To do it. Okay, so I WANNA pivot a little here and obviously you know with everything that's gone on in our country. The last couple weeks I wanted to ask you about this part of it's because. I've heard I've heard. Sean has is really kind of stepped forward with with everything that's gone on in the aftermath of the killing of of George Floyd and we've seen the impact that it's had on NFL players, and the way guys have spoken out, and I know obviously you've got close relationships a lot of these guys. And I wanted to ask. If you have like an idea of what you think, this is going to look like in September or October and if you've noticed something a little different about about the way that things played out the last couple of weeks. I think that in terms of like. Stand in protesting. It's GonNa be a larger group of people I think that's obvious because. I think that people are going to be more comfortable with the now. Not because the social injustices something new. It just happened to see somebody die with the need of the neck for eight minutes and forty six seconds right acts really gruesome for people to watch. But it's something that's been happening for a long time. Honestly like white people became more comfortable within after seeing this video I. Guess that's what it takes for. More people to feel okay. This'll see more of that, but I I hope that. I really hope that players make standard. We're not playing unless caps. If cabernet is on the field, we're not going to play in that. That's the type of like stay, Judy, because someone who sacrificed so much for. So many people like he really, he was ahead of this, and if we would have understood that things that you saying back in twenty sixteen, we have been able to make more. We might have been able to save George fluids life, even if it's just one person's life, that would be helpful. Right so if If, we would have done that. Be Helpful so. I think that guys need to come together and understand. Okay. Somebody did so much of for us and people just like us. We need to do something for him. so that I think that would be the strongest that they can make a to me to do that and put money behind causes that are gonNA. Be Helpful to the. Black lives matter in them. Symbolically. What do you think it would mean to see Colin Kaepernick in NFL. Uniform Week One. I mean the world to a lot of people like not only do hear you, but we understand you. We feel you and. Values ahead of the curve and he made those. such a strong standards such a early point of. We, we see it now like we understand it now. We'd love for you to join our community of thirty two owners who don't look anything like you guys. But we get it. We, want you back. Okay Do you think the players are starting to realize their power to you video? They put together you know. Into Sean was a part of that Patrick Mahomes. Huge named saquon Barkley Ezekiel, Elliott Odell Beckham. I sort of took it like just speak for myself I sort of took it as players of starting to recognize that they did have the power to influence the owners and the League office. Did you see it that way to the players? Are Starting to realize that they do have some power i. saw it as a really strong video, but. I think that it was strong in in the way that it caused Roger Goodell that. But I I. Don't think that they realize that the true power that they do have. A, I think they're starting to maybe understand it like it's starting to kind of shift, but they don't. They don't understand yet. They did. They would be able to move things a lot quicker faster, but they're. Awfully guys are really young and they're really just starting to. Come to their own. Most of the guys that none of the guys that are even thirty eight right and you got to think about how much you start understanding each year you become like. take! Start to understand your influence, even war in. can't wait till the days where Patrick Mahomes the Shawn Watson they're like thirty, two thirty three. They're. Still, running the league, you got Kyle Murray, and all these guys right, and they really start to understand it, and there's a bunch of black quarterbacks out there who have this power and they can wheeled it how they want. I think then we'll be able to make more. Consistent changes stronger change because they'll at that. Think! They'll start to understand. I think. And I think having. I don't know. DV This way to the fact that there were close to franchise quarterback in that video made a difference the fact that like not just like and and and guys like Odell and Saquon and Zeke. They all have power, but a like you need. I mean like a hundred percent. If mahomes into Sean in that video, it doesn't mean as much just doesn't I'm thankful that they stepped up. Truly got the opportunity. Could take any like pleading with those guys. They couldn't wait to do it on so that I'm just I was thankful and happy to see those. Okay that's Quincy Avery. Private quarterback coach for a bunch nfl guys including the Shawn. Watson Duane passes. I. Think People can find your twitter handle Acklin, savoring right two hundred Quincy Scrapie Okay and then you can find them a qb takeover dot com also right. there. Quincy I really appreciate you coming out. Really enjoyed this. Appreciate it. All Right? Thanks to Quincy Avery, he was. and we're going to give you two guests this week. Because I think there's a lot to get to in a lot of different perspectives that we can get on this stuff, so I'm GonNa Bring in an old buddy of mine. You might remember him from it and I think sage. It was during unless it was suitable week. Because I remember recording with you I think in an Uber. That was the Uber Bowl. which feels like it happened not six months ago feels like it happened six years ago in Miami but sage came on and kind of broke down the Shanahan offense for we're going to talking about much different stuff today, but welcome in former NFL quarterback sage rosenfels. Sage was up. You mean all that's going on the world pandemic. racial. Reckoning. Right s all God. We're not gonNA. Talk about how the zone scheme works. How that trae black with the tight end and the tackle on how you can get that six technique and work your way up to the light. When I could talk about that. Yeah, we'll. We'll leave that for a little later on. Yes so I WANNA start here. You're a guy who spent a decade in NFL locker rooms, and so you know the way they work. Coaches operate. And so I think it's what's so interesting about this to me. Sages like we're sort of in this period where there's just not a lot like going on football wise. These guys had zoom. Meetings are working out on their own, but they're not under the same roof as. You know the guys that they're going to be working for their coaches. Everything else the fall. And so I guess it my my jumping off point because I know you've you've been you've you've been out there? Talking about the stuff a little bit? How you think NFL coaches are going to handle this when we get into the fall and what you think. Coaches are going to do to address this when when when players do report to training camp whenever that is and July beginning of August whenever. I mean I. Guess you're. We're talking about the racial conversation. Yeah, generally at America also in sports, you know. Football teams are different than being a professional tennis player. Or Baseball player really the baseball quite similar. Kaz guys are from all over the world real. But football guys are from I would every sort of aspect of this country. You don't see a lot of NBA. Players from tiny towns in Idaho. You see football players on these random tiny towns in Idaho or Iowa, or wherever your associate them from the inner city also see a lot of kids in the suburbs. Really serve every aspect of American life you see football players trump in either left tackle from Salaam. He was Muslim. Okay, there's a lot of guys that were Nigerian. The IM Madejski brothers. Brendan Badea show are in Kenya. Tolo is a linebacker than in Minnesota You know the Abdulah. Brothers also very devout. Moslems that I played with also and. It's I think it gives you a great perspective. I'm from a town. Three hundred people and I graduate from High School, a town of six thousand people. You show, but I was state for me and all these guys have played college football and there's guy from Texas. There's guys from. City Miami. In Florida. Ah Again. The guys from Chicago other guys from small towns, other guys from sort of wealthy suburbs and say Kansas City or something like that where they come from these big football powerhouses. So I think at that moment for me. You know and eat lunch with these guys at train table and. It's amazing how much you learn! And how different their experience was growing up, and then you get thrown of this football team, and all that stuff doesn't really the not that it doesn't matter but it's the goal is to win football games to build this football team to work to get on the same page to improve physically. And the goal is right there. That's the Head Coach and the coaching staff how they lead everybody, but it didn't matter that even Salaam was Muslim. It didn't matter that somebody was from a different place in our showing. Maybe we have different views. All it matters. Was this start of goal and so. I think it taught me. With being around all those guys, just different aspects of American life and human life, and that you know you look at people on TV, and we sort of see them as as robots, and does really it's like they don't have feelings. We care that. They made the catcher not or that they got off for holding. That's all we care about by that there is this human element behind them then and as a football team there from all over I think it really gives you a different perspective than almost any other sport. You know tennis like so individual baseball has probably some somebody's basketball more steady kids than small town kids but I think football is especially During this time in coaches deal with the I think. What we're seeing a lot of is that what people say I want to do? More listening guys like me should be doing more listening and trying to understand rather than trying to tell somebody else how they're supposed to feel all right and as a white quarterback and I think it's been I think it's been really good what I've seen so far amongst the sort of white quarterbacks is. Is that leadership position on the team It's been. been historically mostly white players over the years, and there's a racial element to that you for decades, a lot of coaches and people just thought well. The black athlete just can't play quarterback. They're just not smart enough and I promise you. There's still some coaches who might think that today. and it's not true, obviously, not some of the best quarterbacks we have right now are African American or black You Know Pat. Mahomes Russell Wilson. Shawn Watson Lamar Jackson the other the the MVP they can't play that. Position and played a really high level, so but I do think as for me a former white court quarterback. As a white guy, to try to take that step in learn, listen from the guys that have those complaints and have those concerns and those issues are real. You know we. We see that. This is not sort of made up I i. don't see that I. See this as an issue that I've been here since again. When I got to college now, they would tell me these stories and I'd be like really that happened. One high school like that happened to your neighbor. that. Sure blew my mind. You know those things just don't happiness. Small town and I think since people don't see them happen. People don't believe that there actually A. You know. Problem definitely. It's definitely like it's loosening. What other people are going through so like? How does how do you think that they balanced that? Then when this is probably in the front of? Right in right now is on the. It's it's. A lot of people's minds. It doesn't seem like this is going to go away. So we get to July and it's still on people's minds in August, and it's still on people's minds and. How do you think? Coaches are going to weave this into the two thousand and twenty season and everybody, and like you said everybody having a job to do like. How like how do you think the coaches are going to? And the teams in general are going to make sure this is properly addressed while also doing what everybody's there to do. Well you know I. Think the easiest. Place or team or coach? A look as what happened in New Orleans. The unquestioned leader VAT team as far as players drew brees Sean Payton in the leader, really bad franchise, and what they went through in those couple days I think was SORTA blueprint probably for how other teams should deal with it. I think Sean is a great leader of men, and he was very much on board of getting everybody together getting on the same page. That's a head. Coach's job is getting. Getting everybody on the same page have having everybody understand what they're trying to do. But now starting different role, trying to understand what somebody else has gone through, and how they can be support above their teammates, and I've always thought and I. Think this will happen in new, Orleans because of leadership, not only because of Peyton but also. I think because they're true. I think drew will it has learned a lot already? But? That the better you can understand your teammates. Better that serves human connection will be and the better that you'll play together and that you know it's. It's like in high school. You're like best friends with these guys, and so it's like a passion of it's. It really does mean something different. The NFL got money on the line. Yacht contracts online everyone's. It's a team, but everyone sort of fighting for their own thing. But I think in this scenario. The right type of leadership by head coach get everybody on the same page and get some some deeper level of understanding and appreciation for your teammates and the teams that do that the right way I think well just grow in general and I. Think actually that growth will be being a better team when he more football games, and then you know having just a healthier. Healthier lack room or people are more understanding of each other your struggles and that goes from all all size everyone trying to understand somebody else and I always say you know in in America really probably in every country in our bulbs, you live in Boston in a bubble there I live in the Midwest and Omaha Nebraska I from a small town. It's on bubble. People grew up in. Their own bubble. and. It's really hard to try to empathize with people who are in this other. Antarctica go from the sea to understand. What's it like to live in a town of three hundred people? Must be a in e. you really can't, but the only is is by trying his by listening and trying to learn, and that you know that word that's been thrown around a lot empathy really really to try to get in someone else's shoes and really understand where that pain in those issues are coming from and I. I think what Sean Payton did was You know a lot of listening a lot of open. Open form, let guys get out sort of their complain to their concerns and what they've had to deal with, and you know hopefully that brings everybody together and then as a group you can. I think I think? Create more change more positive change, then everyone just doing things individually. Can you think of like a good example of an obviously like it'd be maybe hard to find something as serious as this, but maybe like A. Somewhere career like the locker I'm having to confront something real life like the locker room had to sort something out. That was maybe a non-football type of thing. Not like this. Yeah, no, not like this I mean dealt with hurricanes plan to Miami for four years Houston for three years, and those are odd scenarios, right? But no nothing as sort of intense as this nothing that's really completely separate from football really has nothing to do with football but. Yet nothing really compares in and by the way I do think. With this pandemic, going on that that is one of the reasons. Other than the fact of course, the eight minutes and forty six seconds of the murder of George and how often it was the fact that we're in this pandemic in allows people to slow down. To not have the NBA finals going on right, not have baseball games to go to to not have soccer games ago to That has served There's those distractions aren't better anymore. And we act. You can sit here for the first time in my lifetime, and maybe our country's lifetime, and actually focused on this issue. That's four hundred and fifty years old, and we really have never dealt with. Do you think it's good? Do you think it could be good for a lot of guys I? Mean I feel like for a lot of people at sort of forced all of us to make confront some things. You know that we hadn't previously confronted like. Doing this might be good for some teams that like guys are having real conversations and. Maybe. Something you can compare this to exactly you know like you said like. It's tough to find something compared to this, but. Maybe, there is a benefit football. Wise that you get from going through something real life with like this. Yeah, you know it. Again, you brought the questions. was there anything in my career that? That was at a different level or outside the football. you know maybe. When Brett Farve Dad passed away and he had that. You know that that infamous. Game on Monday night, or whatever like those types of things that bring players together, just I. Just, said a whole different type of thing that's well beyond the sport, but that does bring you know players together does bring people together again as I, said are deeper understanding a deep respect for other people. I think it's probably opened. A lot of guys is that weren't from you know maybe those neighborhoods that have dealt with these issues forever and age. Go well. You know that's. That's their problem or they. They shouldn't be doing illegal things, or they must have done something all his excuses now to see your teammates who you line up with you work out with who you go to go to battle with per. Se really. Express how deeply concerning and challenging has been for their entire lives dealing with this issue You have to have a you know a rack heart for you to not. Feel some of that in appreciate some of that and try to understand some of that and I do think it's. Again, it's a wake up. Call for allowed country, but a lot of these guys grew up in a different bubble. Who just never really realized all this stuff was going on? So I do WanNa get like the other really different thing about this off season, which is obvious you mentioned at the pandemic. And one of the reasons I wanted I'd reached out to the first place. I've looking at your bio and like crappy the giants in two thousand eleven so. You, know I I. Know You didn't make it through the Super Bowl, but you were with them during the off season and so like I was just sort of wondering like when you watch. Different players handle all this and how they're handling all this. There are some similarities now I know it's not perfect because it's not perfect comparison because. Back then you couldn't talk to coaches. But. You had access to any field or any JIM. You wanted now. You don't have access to a lot of those fields in gyms, or you haven't for part of this at least, but you do have access to the coaches so like I. Just I WanNa ask you like how you think this is going to affect the season. And maybe there are some things that you saw with the giants during that twenty eleven off-season that set the stage for what was going to happen in February of two thousand and twelve. Yeah, so think of veteran teams have an advantage. That's the best way to look at it. Now I. Hope Kevin Stansky does belong Cleveland. They're the big disadvantage coach. Young coach new offense completely new offense. They're going to be different in in even Tom going down. Timbo It's it's different. He'll not have that offseason stuff for him, but the teams that have the quarterback with the same offense same team, the same head coach you know the saints is the first one for me to come to mind. Guys been together forever. When I was through the giants to ten I got traded their. First Week of the season. I was basically there for three hundred sixty five days a chapter in my book, three hundred sixty five days of all giant but going into that offseason know ally had been the quarterback there for. Eight nine years already He'd won the Super Bowl and we didn't have any sort of offseason, but what we did is about shoe or two or three times, a lot of players fluent in New York and of course again different situation, no pandemic right right, and we had our own sort of light practices. They were not really full on. You know full speed stuff, but they were walk-throughs were there? They're talking to the young guys. The draft guys you know. Jimmy, formations. On wasn't sure trying to teach them. The system is almost like a jog through through type. That was the one in hoboken right. Yeah, we were in hoboken. Some you know I might Garafolo was. was there trying to look through the fences and and figure it all out. We went to a couple of different. hoboken was one of the high schools you went to. We went to a private high school. Somewhere used their field which I imagine guys can still do i. think there are spots where people are getting together and thrown around. We're seeing some of that stuff, but That was our way of having this again very veteran team. The offensive line like those guys have been together for like seven years. Chris Sneeze and shot O'Hara's enriched soy, Burton and Kareem McKenzie David Deal deal the super veterans, so they had a big advantage with that but for the most part that offseason everyone worked out on the round. Everyone was sort of doing their own fame. but I think it did give that football team a big advance being that as a very veterans salty, so s. that's just a matter of when you get to. Be hit the ground running. You know what I mean. Is that all that is like that all right like? If you aren't a veteran team, you may have to go over things a bunch when you get training camp, and that's really like feeling. The effect of the spring versus you know veteran team has been working. That knew how to work. Maybe did a lot of the work, and now it's a little closer to being what a normal training camp would be. Remember when when the saints early in this whole thing, Sean Payton was like a see at training camp. Yeah, employees with you know right so most teams can't do that on your. Actually do that. NF offenses and defenses are complicated are complex. The the TA's have already been trimmed back from in the early two thousand I I got in the League man. Those off seasons were no joke. They were starting. Early mid March I feel like now. They're like into late April. SORTA when they would normally go back, but we had tons of quarterback means. quarterbacks stuff that we were constantly doing. It was very intense, and then as the years have gone by that Scott and less and less and less, and now there's obviously really a no physical off season as far as practicing those things, but the are getting those meetings that is big to get those meetings, but not everyone learns well. chief talked to players. Some guys do well watching film. They can go out. There have been others nothing like actually being together going through all those checks thrown Balsa. Guys going full speed. Throwing malls new tight windows, and enduring those summer practices, not having that will be together a more of a challenge for those young football teams who lives Young quarterbacks for those new coaching stabs, which means those I think those veteran teams will have it big ants going to the season. Is there anything Coughlin did that summer that you think was valuable? was there anything like you like you like? Could I think you know at the time? Head coaches were part of Management I. Like after you reported though off after yeah like like it was raining. Anything quirkier different about that training camp that you thought that was pretty smart. That's a good question. Because again like what we did travel, they'd. They'd always gone to Ati and we didn't do that and yeah. Right there at at Metlife Stadium, so I have Matt was something that we did different, and it was oddly enough to be honest with you. I'd gotten there. I thought coffin was supposed to be this like we beat each other up in practice coach and Gee was not that I don't know if it was because now he was like in the sixties, and they had already won a super bowl. but practices were not. They were not that physical guys were not. Other up It was sort of you know, just get your fits right and then game time sort of go I think he's go ball out. I think it's because he knew what all those guys. Brandon Jacobs and it really didn't really care if he was absolutely you know. Full throttle on a random June third practice because he knew Brandon Jay. In November December that's all, he really cared about so I do think. Tom Coffin over over time, and in in that year it was more mental and less. You know physical type of stuff because he had that veteran. Okay last thing for me then when they won the super bowl like I don't want open an old wound, but I know you weren't there when they actually. When did you get a ring? By the way? No, maybe I should talk to John. Maher about that, so I long story short. We're ensuring jam and we're going to play first preseason game down an airliner. And on the flight down there I developed a sore throat and fever i. feel like crap, I feel like crap all night. I'm shivering. Yum Sweat. Just you know this whatever it was and a in a plane in this game I think actually played okay like thirteen of eighteen or something like that I can't remember but the flight home on miserable next thing in in the pot in the hospital. I got back spasms. My Body is sort of follow. Follow apartment, new system shots, and I'm in the hospital for couples and going on injured reserve it on injury, reserve, and after about a month or five weeks when I was healthy and feeling good and I was starting to work out and bangs took off into the reserve, and I ended up game of the Miami. Dolphins, and that was it new. You can't get signed back. That's the robot you know. Once deserted can't fight back with the team. And so, of course they win the bowl that season, so I was there during during training camp, and and I was there during that first five weeks of the season. Out I wasn't going to meetings and stuff, but I was around that softball team and I knew that a team. Felt like to me was going to go one way or the other. Cough sort of on the hot seat. We'd gone ten and sixty four. He kept his job but there was concern that he might get fired. And then you know an raw remember during training camp, said something that called somebody out in your coffin that like that and retain this term on the team that seemed like it was sort of exactly what the team needed. The team bonded serve around that and answer us against the world mentality and bench. You Know is getting sure enough you've got. They made the playoffs. They had a heck of a defense technical running game, and Eli was collection personally Tom Brady the Patriots in the superbowl. Attention like as good tension until boils over, and if he can keep it from boiling over then you're right, right? That's leadership. Yeah, right, you know football teams. Are you know fifty three guys and fifteen to twenty coaches? It's millionaires news billionaires. It's my mom said it's the greatest soap opera. There is back in the grew up watching the guiding light, and all these shows you. You in the laundry. The NFL is the best soap opera. There is, but the right type of leadership, a quarterback that head coach ownership, those types of players when one of those fifty three or three of those fifty three, or whatever might be sure a step outside the lines or do something that may make waves or become a distraction type. Leadership understands how to Bring a team together with those types of things, and that's loaded team and. An ally and call were or very very good that, and that may be even more important any like this one, no question about it and he's a veteran quarterbacks, veteran coaches teams that bend together for long time I think we'll have abandoned the twenty twenty, so that would be so sore clearer. That would be the saints. I'm going to try to think through league now. And what like this? All these a lot of these old quarterback switch teams this year like? God Brady rivers. You'll cousins been there for three years. Go Right, I mean steelers rothlisberger coming back with Tom when they played pretty well even without him last year, so they'd be another one the taxes O'Brien and Watson have been together for a while, so we've got new new head coach, so that's GonNa be a new scenarios. Tom Down in Tampa. Tribune good. The packers have obviously in the veteran, and now that they've been there for a couple of the seahawks. The saw one of the best to Carol all. Saints are probably out there all right. He's sage rosenfels. I'M NOT GONNA MISS team here x wikipedia page up ex. Redskins Dolphins Texans Vikings. Giants and I'll say dolphins again. You did tours with two different teams traded. On traded three times and shoe tour duties with two different teams, I play for the dolphins twice in the Vikings twice, so I don't know like that's probably like I'm not an president, because these things are unprecedented, but that's that's. That's that's pretty good. Sage sage. Thanks for coming out I. always appreciate it. Our thanks to sage. That was fantastic again. Quincy was great to. We're going to jump right into the six pack. He has no how this works. Kovic nineteen hit. We have been doing the six pack. which is how we started answering questions on this podcast before we moved over to the voice mail and email format, I, put out the call for questions. Every Tuesday you guys flood me with questions I pick six that I like here. I also do a mailbox, or some of them go over there, but I pick six that I like. If I pick yours. You get a like on twitter. That means they hit that little heart button there. And you get Nancy here on the podcast question of one from, call me Mr Snider. That's atmosphere. Snyder nineteen, ninety nine. Why did it take its? Why did it take so long to fire Bruce, Allin one forty to one ninety three in one Hashtag. Dan I don't WanNa Kick Bruce L. when he's down, but I think that this part of it was pretty simple. He was brought in as sort of acilitator to the head coach. Mike Shanahan at the time who is really the defacto general manager, so Mike Shanahan was the one doing the team building Bruce was assisting in that doing contracts all that stuff, so he winds up surviving the Shan and firing. They wind up hiring Jay Gruden. They didn't have a great first year. They wind up hiring Scott McClellan to do football. Scott McClellan last couple of years does a pretty good job putting the team together than things go haywire there than Bruce Allin winds up firing Scott, McCoy now he's got more power than he ever did before. So one thing led to another lead to another all the while Dan. Snyder saw bruce. Allen is a key figure in trying to pursue a new stadium whether it was in DC Virginia Maryland and so from what I understand Snyder's desire to get a new stadium was a big part of why Bruce Allin kept surviving, and there's obviously a relationship there. Bruce Ounce family has great history with the organization, but that was a huge reason why. Question number two. This is from Matt Ramos. That's at Matt Underscore Ramos after the broncos recently announced a sports betting partner. Will we see multipple team falling suit the season? Does that partnership change the in Stadium Experience for fans I don't go change the in stadium experience for fans right away, but I think it would eventually will and I think like what most people will think of when they think of gambling. That may not be what you see. In stadiums five years from now in other words, if you think that it's just going to be a betting window, and you're going to be able to gamble on odds or whatever. Most NFL people see it as a pretty low margin business. I think you could see though is in stadium is is in game prop bedding and so almost turning the game into another game. We're in stadium. You're able to place bets on things that are going on in the game like say three to one odds that the jets are going to drive field and score a touchdown. You Bet on that in the game in your Internet up in your own in the stadium, so? So I think you're gonNA. See little things like that. Where sports gambling is utilized to make the experience more interactive with fans, the other stuff could come to and I. Really think the I think what we're all preparing for here. All right like and the Broncos are getting ahead of this everybody's GonNa wind up having a sports betting partner sooner or later so at the answer your question on that and is yes. I think what's what everybody's preparing for is the eventuality that's. The raiders invite in Vegas. We'll find out. And probably know already that their number one competition is the sports books in the casinos, and so eventually I have to think that there's a possibility the raiders say to be the to give fans the best experience we possibly can. We have to put a sportsbook in the stadium. They put a sportsbook in the stadium. Than other teams that are in states that have legalized gambling are going to say well. Why can't we do that? And that's what I think. The floodgates could open. So I think eventually now. I don't know if that's five years or twenty years from now it could be either, but I think eventually we do get there and. It's GONNA be fascinating to watch all of this play. The first step is probably that in game prop betting. I don't know how far off we are from that, but I that we're closer to that than we are seeing an actual sportsbook stadium. Question number three. This is a lot of broncos questions for one reason or another this week. This from con- that's at see, underscore Mahoney twenty-three Bronco Season Record Indoor play playoff predictions. There are a lot of things about the broncos. I like how they've put town around around drew lock going drafting Jerry Judy. Getting Cagey Hammer in the second round out of Penn state pairing them a courtroom Sutton. Alberto now coming in a tight end to supplement what you have with Noah Fan Philip, Lindsey in the backfield. You added Melvin Gordon, so you've put town around him. The defense I have trust that they're going to be able to make it work defensively Justin. Simmons is on the Franchise Tag. He's coming back bringing AJ boy A. From Jacksonville. He replaces what they've gotten for. A Lotta years from Chris Harris. He's more of a pure outside corner. So that's something that was in need. Of course you still have on Miller there. WHO's going a contract year and should be very very motivated. And got you know and you've got a big Fangio the control so I think that'd be good defense. I think they've got. They've done a lot to help Jew. From a skill position standpoint. My question here is the offensive line Garrett Bowles was someone was on the block for part of this off season. The broncos it considered drafting and the left tackle to replace him I don't think era bowls is going to be the left tackle going into twenty twenty one and there's an open competition for his spot now. Yes I know that they've added Graham glass cow to that that that group but I just I still have questions about the offensive line, and where the offensive line is going to be when we get to October November when every teams dealing with injuries here and there and so I'm going to tell you say like eight for the broncos with the offensive line being the problem. Question, number four. This is from Moose Block. That's at Moose. Underscore block is two of the week one starter for Miami this year. Moose WANNA say. No but I definitely think it's possible and I know that sounds like a cop out, but. It's it's hard because he's coming off the hip injury. There's a lot of you know question as to how quickly he is able to kind of get up to speed from an NFL standpoint of course without having the spring link, rookies normally would but he's always been prepared like you look at him. He played right away at Alabama when they enter a turning starter coming back. They put them in at I think he was still eighteen years old, eighteen or nineteen years old into the National Championship game at Halftime which is insane. He goes in wins that game. This is a guy who was ready to play when you went high-school college very instinctive player I, think he. He's going to be ready to play going college to the pros, and so I think the question is going to be what sort of opportunity he gets in camp and I. think Brian Floor is going to make the decision like it's going to sound very Patriot Ish, make the best decision for his team I think floor is badly wants to win after everything that they've. been through in his first what seventeen months there? In stripping the Rosser down and everything else I think he's thirsty to compete so I think he, if Ryan Fitzpatrick's the player they honestly feel that gives them the best chance to win, and we won I think that they play him. This is going to be a fair competition but I would rule out to coming in there like a house afire and taking the job either question number. Five is from big wally on at Boston West Eighty one one. Is Cam Newton going to play football again in wear? I think you will play football again. My. Understanding of the situation is that he is more than happy to wait. That I always told people that he doesn't want to go in two places like a backup slash mentor, which takes them opportunities off the table and part of the problem is that there are so many teams that have settled their quarterback positions. And settled their quarterback positions ahead of time, which again is why Joe FLACCO had to go somewhere where he's firmly the backup behind Sam Darnold why Jameis Winston had to go somewhere where he's firmly the backup behind behind drew brees, and even like Marcus Mariota. Who you know early on you know like who signed a lot earlier than the other guys, but he went to. He went somewhere where Derek Carr plays while he's not going to see the field either so I, think for cam sort of about waiting for the right opportunity, and maybe that comes training camp when either someone's hurt. Hurt or someone assesses their quarterback situation and says this isn't quite what we thought. It would be question number six last question of the week. This is from H.. N. L. Y. Clothing. That's at H. N. L. Y. L. A. Best Free Agent Edition. No one's talking about this topic is free. Agencies covered so well, but I wanted to. At least give you guys. Give you some sort of answer to this. So what I WanNa do is tell you the team. I really like this sort of flew under the radar, a team that was aggressive, but maybe people didn't notice quite as much. Take a look of what the Cincinnati Bengals did I thought that there are signings were got like a lot of guys who've played a lot who played pivotal roles in their teams, and should come in and be difference makers right away. And the three guys they're to me that stuck like the three guys that are the headliners, their Vaughn Bell, coming over the saints to play safety DJ reader, coming over from the Texans to play D., tackle and trae. Wayne's coming over from the Vikings to play corner. Those three guys bell reader Wayne's. I think you add them to a defense that really struggled last year, but still has some guys I mean. Gino Atkins is still there William. Jackson is still there. Carlos Dunlap is still there you know in defense? That had I think. Like. You see some mid round picks a pan out logan. Morrison from from from Wyoming is one. And I? Just I think that they did like to me. It sort of reminds me in a reverse way of what buffalo did on offense last year where Buffalo added a couple of guys that wound up being impact guys that were sort of like the steady veteran guys who'd played a lot John Brown, Call Beasley and Frank Gore so keep an eye. Eye On what the Bengals did I do think that those signings like sort of like again like a little bit under the radar, but they were needed, and they add to a defense that I think had some massive holes, but still has some horses on it all right, appreciate you guys coming out as always. We love your feedback. We want your feedback. 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The Kist & Solak Show #141: Deciphering the Nagy-Trubisky Conundrum

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39:50 min | 2 years ago

The Kist & Solak Show #141: Deciphering the Nagy-Trubisky Conundrum

"Hey there podcast pals I'm John Stolnis the host of the Phillies pod hidden season one of the shows that podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness you could ever want and make sure to check out other presented by SP nation and bleeding great nation SP nation and bleeding great nation. I'm your host Michael Kissed while on me on twitter at Michael Kissed. NFL THAT'S ASPRO L. A. K. Ban de have the juice today now didn't ah I think of the athletic it was who had a recent peace come out about Frank Reich and she'll talking by the Eagles in talking about Peterson Shield grab some quotes in one of those quotes you got the juice today and I'm here to let you know that the only person who lives in my house with the chew the table again I'm like okay but I feel like Franken owns and screaming eagles I fifteen plays from scrimmage come back frank place he leaves two thousand eighteen the Eagles ranked thirtieth and EPA and can't score in the this is kind of covered a extensively this past week but it's the scripting that sticks out to me and concepts are GONNA fit best against that build in the necessary checks find the tells on the defense give you can do that no matter how late you stay in the building how earlier back in the building I within context Peterson can flip about the three of them together had a system where they trusted braintrust they lost clearly whatever you know it was in without sitting there watching implant what they're gonNa do in specific situations they've lost it and you know even at grows best malls Russia I second the coaching staff by that's that's a fact what we're doing today is the exact opposite holes defense and Buddy let me tell you I don't know if mark got a pretty high me more give me the give me the trubisky yeah that sounds about right that sounds that sounds like the bottom collecting about how inept the bills offense was this bears offense to say their quarterback play is somehow much worse on the bears I one hundred percent is not good that's bad here's the thing here's here's my main thing about trubisky having not listen it's clear Panic embodied he says he has no like like damage control he's just panicking isn't always check downs as he just a complete the headline for the article for the Cuban go show that I just wanted to bill g may he forever reign Roy's something abuse quarterback but like whatever you know what I mean like you can't even find the spot you've seen a Brian Baldinger you've seen say's Roosevelt's and Qb it's hard to not know when not in the meeting room to struggle to watch sage rosenfels replies ceiling with blind skirmish of Crap Cup lots for tat like Papa Bear Halas was watching I know the house only it's like the goal line the bears were empty with three tight ends dishes stupid you know like I most basic that you can get because there is zero trust in the quarterback right yeah in two thousand eighteen into the twenty nineteen playoffs there was a nice it's like you'll you'll see people don't really watch affleck and I'm like why aren't you doing that reply because it doesn't you to me clearly emphatically ought to be very passionate about this not the bears meet has lauded him and that's fine nothing nagging the media could say out loud that there's no choice yeah right and the thing is like there's they trubisky does not the field you watch third-down play actually we're trying to get across and we're trying to get a hitch route exactly so so you have I'm definitely blowing the audience I'm sorry about that but you have jin double tap to back sets what can I throw at this defense that they haven't gyms Watson I don't put nine guys in the box screwed for one nagy has fallen out of moderation and he is fully trubisky's the issue is limited and now he's trying to work with with an incomplete sets that's you even if they were running the exact same place which I would argue and you saw us with chase one more more west coast concentrate even like the running game maybe he's not doing anything that five Dallas Pollen is this is this is what we're doing it's that high school it's not to say that all the scheme is got to be able to call both ways you don't get the cake and eat it too it's drives me nuts right where you into higher an offense coordinator does the guy who's been successful but that's all the jets ended up with Adam Gates we're like I'm not I'm going to try to do this and do that I'm dominic spot I'm GonNa give you snag I'm GonNa Ashikaga before Nagy whatever that's one but then to and this is I league good athletes in space with blockers and with numbers advantages that is offense keeping from him because he's playing with a deck that's missing all the clubs and easy was a short set here cast and what their quarterback can do save a personnel disparity in terms of the good throws but I don't think he's in the way he's being generally you know like what happened in this offense don't tackle and that's that's something that's been a problem for me and don't get me wrong to re Cohen Cornell talking about like at or around the line of scrimmage those guys I fear in those situations especially break for the defense to create a game changing turnover and put average per next gen stats from Mitchell trubisky got to be one of the worst in the League yeah it is yeah I like eight completions all year over twenty yards on twenty three attempts and he misses them bad I mean I've put together to full reels a minute of like really quick clips of just bad throws from two different games it was so knowing that Nagy doesn't trust them and just the fact that he takes the ball out of his hands in very obvious timeouts was one second raft I will say right and I will all the time from an eagles defence perspective US mason offense struggles in the red zone why Zulu tells of receivers right these bigger bodies Allen Robinson I think the saints right you know you you add congested from six to four yard down the field range unbelievable and he certainly and I brought up the in shotgun it they want to go one step read leverage pre very limited. Who are you out who you out scheming with your passing right and this is why I talk about Anthony Miller Taylor gable ace into space potentially being an angle but if you're getting what the bears typically do Evan funchess type besides guys I wish they would use Cordero Patterson morning situations Patterson's a big bite under guy and narrative gives trubisky a better ability to read leverage make throws against it with that means you have a ton of Split back walks oh and this is a big deal through the it'd been relatively even splits other men a couple and then twenty one percent respectively they also incorporated Mike Davis a lot more than they have in previous weeks in this way to guys moving that way we got a mesh we gotta read there's so many things that you have to be backfield dressing right and so the big concern for Philadelphia can't a you know a five step drop off under center play action through the deep post they can't do it there ran against Philadelphia this opening script from Anna was so much fun not really that's off the off coverage they were getting the Chicago will do that as well but there was the pop camera throat right behind him that's the big fear for Philadelphia in this game you're GonNa get split back he situations right now really be looking to attack those linebackers Philadelphia's response is going to have to try to do it is is run man covering guys follow them and then be able to run with your front guys a to actual starters opposite him and not just Fletcher Cox Pluses Buddy right so I don't know why anybody would say that they don't you're going to struggle against that if you have to put your guys they're gonNA lose numbers in the box you do need strong play from your defensive line to able to withstand that it is awful I'm phillies writer Justin clue join me every week along with John Stolnis on our other shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribed to the good fight and you'll get conversations answer hall I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe for free on apple the focus be nation bleed agree nation bent a follow up on your on your thoughts on you know your your concern add lion let me tell you that even though we gave him some credit on the film review show I just dispatch so it's not just US PFC's it to you know they got their it? Yeah I mean a player that graded really well and I thought when I watched the tape and a guy that we've talked about before that McGraw Hill my but why not switch flip the snaps actively a better player than Gary and less of a liability how hard is it and nestled smart smart you save that which is why not just flip by not just his on this team doing other than just outlined and Justin Peel on it was absolutely hilarious anyway right so my concerns linebackers obviously we twenty seven carries for one hundred thirty five yards and it's now if they montgomery again Montgomery but he is is not long speed so even if you're losing in ground a lot of the runs that he had were just is winning in a in a phone booth tie Hannah's as for the eagles line wow there is one player on this offensive line who I would describe myself addicts teams gene for Kansas State I think sixteen I was like I think I'm pretty the prospect is rookie year I played decent ball for rookie I do contact you where he should on the Ark Bass production but his grip when he came out Iowa and I fought in his rookie year in in in situations in which fletch dispatched Russia's the power rush. Ns were Daniels really really struggles and then next to him you Howard you're already up against it nose tackle flying learned about this mayor scenario for Chicago and fletch looked healthy the best way to screw with like an RPO offense what would it be and it would be like in an potential bad exchanges so that he gives the ball you know before you can really process or oppose Kaga flashes winning immediate off the snap versus you know Jay ratliff concept run pass pass pass run whatever option it is if you have a body to Earth erupted with your blocking and and everything else attached to it yeah number one number two given what we someone should be fired for making me watch Mitchell trubisky throw fifty four passes but not to worry about it right so now all of a sudden you know you you all right let's let's go downfield with Montgomery let's secondary's get a muck about miss tackles we got an issue but if you're limiting yak white as the game brother third preview show this week the game yeah exactly you of course you know some injuries may impact this we'll have you covered on that later on oh five point favorites for the Eagles in Chicago which is that's a that's a healthy or under for the bears I am immediately immediately smashing the under alanon thirty mph winds in Philly on Sunday Mitchell trubisky is Josh Allen with thirty eating turf after we missed the tackle on a hitch that's about the gopher eighty yards that's all I'm saying is like the reason to trust the eagles defense still though we agree that the performance against the bills wasn't even that great inch complete shutout in the first half they they throw you know the three points on I'm doing what I did against New Orleans which on pretending the game was in reach I'm doing anything I can to get to Eagle's like if I'm if I wanted a game in which I could open up trubisky and I could get devante versus inside right this is a game where I would be trying now I think they're going to be more willing to push the ball down the field and it'd be more willing to throw three step news corners aren't and when that happens I think they're gonna be able to move the ball and score points in that way so I don't at that type of boat race tight deal right shore the Eagles Eagles

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Hour 2: Lakers Lose...Again

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Hour 2: Lakers Lose...Again

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Jason Fitz with you, we told you the most predictable football news. Johnny Menzel has been released by the CFL. And apparently he's a now looking forward to a chance to play again in the states. We'll talk about it in about ten minutes. As PM radio's presented by progressive insurance. We're gonna head to the shell Pennzoil performance line. We're twelve year NFL quarterback writer for the Atlantic. Minnesota joins us sage Rosenfels, sage appreciate your time. Obviously, the NFL combine is what's on everybody's mind. Do you have one big combine your there? And indeed, you have a big combine story that sort of sticks out from your memory. Oh, man. That's a really good question. You know? I was here. The last time in two thousand one I'm a senior graduated quarterback from Iowa State tonight. I'm trying to make the NFL. And and it was you know, three or four I feel like fairly in a sense stressful days, you know, it's sort of a four day job interview. It's a real chance to be around all these NFL executives, and coaches, and you're getting interviewed over and over and over, obviously, there's the physical aspects of the MRI's, and the the x-rays and all those types of things with the doctors and the surgeons, and then there is outside the workout on the field, and from what I can tell now being back what eighteen years later that type of stuff is pretty much the same that has not changed at the combine that sort of routine is the same. But everything else now is totally different this, you know, it wasn't on TV back in two thousand one. There wasn't all this media here. It was very much sort of an NFL thing with the teams. Now, it's sort of a made for TV events thousands of media people here from all over the country, probably some from all over the world. And it's you know, one of those annual things now that's a can't miss event in the NFL. Well, sage with that being said, I think we're all sort of we all keep calling it. The underwear Olympics everybody talks about how these these skills don't necessarily transfer over above and beyond what we've seen on tape. If you're a GM today, and you're looking at this. What are you actually taking a value from the guys that are at the combine right now, you know, the interviews are really really important here. And that's what people probably don't talk about as much, you know, these NFL coaches, you know, let's let's take a quarterbacks coach you watch. You're watching these guys on film. You're starting to do your research. But you really just seeing them, you know, in their football pads and their helmet and playing, you know, college football, you have no idea what type of person they are. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. They're Wikipedia page. So they had a three point nine one high school, but what type of person are they? All right. So this is that opportunity to sit down whether it's fifteen minutes or thirty minutes to interview all these guys and really get a feel for who they are. Because we all know, you know, being an athlete it's not just your your physical abilities and your physical talents and how high you can jump. But you know, how do you think how you process information personnel? Are you know, what your goals and aspirations as a player, and as a really almost Appier with them personnel? Are you it's amazing that you know, the the guys that stand the league for a long time and you draft players you're hoping you get guys for now just two or three as you're hoping you guys for a decade. Well, there's very few guys that lasts for a decade NFL that aren't you know, strong, and mentally and have great heart and dedication to who they are and the sport, and and those type of things so that's the type of stuff you've tried to wash out. In those interviews we're talking to your NFL quarterback right in the antibiotic men sage Rosenfels, that's the way you get to it at the athletic men. Saints Rosenfels on the shell Pennzoil performance line. You mentioned the interviews you making me, look smart, man. I appreciate it. I said earlier the only thing that we can really take value from this is the part. We don't get to see the interviews. So from your experience and going through it. How much can players actually prep for the interview process. You know, I think nowadays in again, this is something that's probably changed over time. When when I came out two thousand one, and we just sort of trained and can alter and try to put up your best numbers. I now with agents and stuff there's much more preparation that goes involved. It's not just the physical stuff. I think guys are are, you know, people are are trained people are are training. These guys some of them to you know, what's the best way to answer certain questions because you're going to get asked all sorts of questions know, what's the best answers for a lot of these questions. And you listen to a lot of people do that for any sort of job interview, you go in you might have your your girlfriend or whatever ask you a couple of questions at the boss may ask you and see how your responses to your practice. And so I, yeah, I do think some of these guys, you know, have worked on this stuff a little bit of, you know, before they got here, but I will say that. Various teams will ask the most random questions than it's just a sort of see how you know, how quick you on your feet or higher respond that have nothing to do with football. And so you can't prepare for everything. And I think that's why they do those random questions about other aspects of life. We're talking to sage Rosenfels on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Spain fits Jason Fitz hanging out with you, obviously all eyes are going to be on Cuyler Murray and doing Hoskins on Saturday. But right now, we're not sure of Keiler is gonna throw if you were Cuyler more Murray. Would you throw at the combine? Yeah. I I'm one of those guys. Listen, I I'm not going to back down many, buddy. I'm gonna take every opportunity to go out. So you have you think there's you know, there's a thousand people in the audience with coaches and scouts then. And whatever else you're gonna have, you know, sixty seventy eighty thousand on game day. So I don't see the big deal going out there. And throwing you know, the guys are trying to get drafted in the seventh round. They're going to be out there throwing if you're so talent you're gonna be a first round or I would recommend and go doing he'll back down from anything. So I'm gonna believe in your here comes through Riyadh control the ball. You shouldn't it doesn't matter. If you throw it inside outside, you know, in in Lucas oil stadium or on the street, and you can throw. So know, that's my thing with him. My biggest concern about Tyler Murray isn't necessarily his ties, but actually misses the only place you ever really talk about and size. And Russell Wilson is the close the closest of calm to column urchins about five ten Russell Wilson is definitely big. Her in thicker and stronger than Tyler Maria. But also Russell has really big hands for a guy that's five ten over ten and Chan's, and they're worried about Tyler or having maybe under nine inch hands which would be the smallest hands in the NFL for a quarterback hands down. So to me that is an issue because I called a game this year Norman, Oklahoma, Oklahoma versus Kansas state. There's not a lot of games NFL that works seventy five degrees eighty degrees. And and and it's really nice weather. You get late in the season in the NFL, November December playoff time. Janet, what you're talking about going to start Kogyo in Green Bay and Pittsburgh and New England and the in Denver in these places. It is hard to throw a ball when it's wet when it's raining. It's windy and cold. We're talking to sage Rosenfels a you're quarterback. And now you've made me feel good because I'm tiny hands sage I'm just gonna minute to the world. I can't I can't palm a kid's basketball. So I understand the small hands thing. And I understand the dilemma. It is let me ask you this. I like to put the imaginary GM had on you again, though, if you're wearing that hat, you run a franchise would you Bank your job on Wayne Hoskins or Tyler Moore if you sat there, and they were available for you to to be able to pick. I'm a big believer in building a team around the quarterback. I think for folks who long too many teams of try to go out and find the sort of magic fix at player. Whether it's in agency or the drought at the quarterback position. This guy is going to solve all our problems. I'm a big believer. If you find a quarterback, this does a good job, you know, case keenum two years ago in Minnesota. He didn't have to do everything he went out. And did a good job you build a good defense. You have a good offense. Yvonne you running game. They'll get a couple of plane making receivers then your quarterback in the part of the offense. So I would I would be thinking to myself whether I'd draft half bins or Murray or or whoever else that kid from from zuri that the. The next so many years we're gonna win or lose. But it's not gonna be just because about quarterback we're gonna win or lose. Because either I did or did not build an entire roster of good football players assume in that same mindset sage if you had to make the choice between Murray or Haskins or signing Nick foles who's now a free agent. Where would you be most comfortable me Nichols? I I actually I like Nicole's, you know, streaky guy. You know, also the street got Manny got two Super Bowls, right? And so I- bold. I think he's got enough. Now wonder spelt, I think there's also something about, you know, having a lot of excess which he did really in his Chris pointless. There's only there's like, I don't know anybody maybe Tom Brady at one point in twenty seven touchdowns to interceptions in that first year chip Kelly that is incredible. And then yet some bad years while one of those bad years of Jeff Fisher in with the Rams and everybody every quarterback that ever played for Justice. Was that with the Rams during that time? And so yeah, so take. Take that with a grain of salt. But now he's sort of you know, revitalize his career he has played. Well, there's games he throws three reception. But there's also a lot of games where he throws three and three or four touchdown. He can throw the ball back foot. He's got great touch. He's been very accurate. I liked that he's sort of plays loose and not overly rigid and isn't afraid to you know, to make plays and also make mistakes. I like, Nick foles. And I think if I was one of these, you know, two hundred teams everyone thinks that Jacksonville's the obvious choice because they have a really good Rosser. Very good defense. They've got a couple of good running backs and the polls would be a good fit there. So I think Nick foles it'd be again, they'd get those guys that have that work behind them. The college game the NFL game. It's a pretty big jump. There's a speed of the game. Yes. But the complexity added onto it and for young guy to come in a lot of times, it does a couple of years, and, you know, with Nick foles, you have I don't is that, you know, five six seven years now eight years he's been the league I loved that experience of the. Quarterback. I think you'd be a good addition to a lot of these teams though, looking good one follow him on Twitter at say's Rosenfels eighteen check out the Atlantic Minnesota. And don't forget to check out his podcast as well. Sage we appreciate you. Joining us my friend next coming on. I appreciate I tried me on. We're brought to you by Pennzoil synthetics taking synthetic motor oil performance to all whole new level. Make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today. Straight ahead to big names came bailable in the quarterback market. There's very different reasons that you should want or not want them. We'll talk about it next. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast, incredibly identifiable names became available on the open market and the quarterback world today. One of them. I'm saying, yes. To and one I'm running from his fast as I can Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Jason Fitz with you, you just heard a Johnny Menzel. He's been he violated a set of conditions to see. Fell set forth when he originally signed in may of twenty eighteen as a result he's been removed from the Canadian Football League. He's no longer a part of the elevates. And frankly, he can't be a part of the CF L at all. So Johnny Menzel out and in now available in the open market. He's already tweeted the world. I one of that coach Sherman, my teammates and CFL fans my time there reestablished my love for the game of football in the work that goes into it. I look forward to exploring new options within the United States strange. We don't know a lot of details. We violated something. But we don't know we tried to get a little insight on it. And for that. I'll turn to caves read the Elwood's GM who talked about the situation. This is what he said Mr. Manzo violated a condition of the agreement with the leak Mr. Manziel was given opportunities to be able to rectify the situation and chose not to. This was not a part of the. The understanding the league and our team put a lot of infrastructure in place for misdemeanors to be successful. And it did not work out the league in the team in Canada, put an infrastructure around Johnny Manziel, and he couldn't be successful. Let me say this to you af alliance as a lifelong die hard day one Memphis express fan still waiting to see my first victory. I would rather watch the terrible quarterback play that they've had their week in week out. Then see Johnny Manziel in in the lions jersey at any point stop everybody. Just stop and understand that the name recognition. You're getting from Johnny Manziel isn't the type of publicity you want anymore. Do you want to be respected as football league? Or do. You wanna be a circus sideshow? If you want to be a show you get yourself a sideshow quarterback if you wanna be a respective football league. You get yourself respected football players. You can't continue to give new credits. A new opportunities to somebody that does. Doesn't deserve it. I'll say the same thing to the XFL. All you knew leagues. Upstart. You need star power. You need star power. You don't need to be a mockery. That's what you become when you add Johnny Menzel. Dear brand, there's only so many times that he can step on his own feet. There's only so many times you can get in his own way. And there's only so many times he can get new opportunity from leagues that are thirsty for attention before you start to realize that this is the sort of attention that only makes everybody laugh at you realize you are not legitimate Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio tastes and fits with you. That's one side of the quarterback conversation. The other side of the quarterback conversation today and the other surprising name. We didn't think we'd be talking about is Nick foles because we believed that Nick foles was going to be franchised was going to be held onto. And that frankly, I thought Nick foles it'd be dangled out. There is as sort of an enticing piece for a team all the way into the NFL draft. And that's not what happened. The eagles. Let everybody know today that they're not going to franchise Nick foles making him a free agent now. And this is the the funny part to me everybody wants to try to apply value. Now, it is real it is absolutely real that. There may not be a ton of teams out there that need a quarterback. That's a reality that Nick foles is facing. And I don't think it's you can look at this right now and say was certainty. He won't be back with Philadelphia. But I can't tell you this. If you wanna roll your eyes if he signed a two year deal somewhere for twenty two twenty three million dollars. He's unto to let's say twenty million dollars. Nice math two year deal twenty million a year forty million. They're going to be people that roll their eyes. Oh my God. Nick foles hasn't had the success anywhere. But Philadelphia to deserve twenty million dollars a year. Let me remind you play portal's gonna make more than twenty million next year. So those Marcus mariota so's Jameis Winston. So case keenum, nobody seems to know of Derek cards a franchise quarterback, but he's gonna make twenty two and a half million next year. And guess what that's a deal. That's a value. Even if you think that that only foles is a stopgap quarterback. He's twenty million a year right now if anything if there's a fan base right now that deserves to be absolutely writing the Broncos. John elway. Could you screw this thing up any more than you have at this point? Is it not fair to say? Wow, patience is a virtue. Did I miss the thing where there was so much hype on Joe flacco that you had to make that deal so early to acquire Joe flacco. Could have foles. Now. Maybe you believe foles is just keenum all over again. Maybe you believe that that flag goes a better that flacco a more known entity. But I'll tell you this tell you this the minute, you know, that you've got a shot at Nick foles. What does that do to the trade value of Joe flacco? To make it less. Having another alternative on the open market. Maybe mean, you have to pay a little less for the always elite. Joe flacco. And let's take a page out of the pelicans book. Don't you at least a week to yourself to wait as long as possible to find out? This is a reminder that this is a really strange year for quarterbacks in the NFL for quarterback needy teams so many teams last year moved up so many teams were aggressive last year in figuring out their quarterback needs. Now, there's a very limited number of teams that fit for Nick foles. You've heard a lot about the salary cap. Constraints of the eagles in white makes it difficult for them to franchise him. But let's also remember that you're also immediately hearing the Jags are going to sign him. They have half a million dollars in available cap space right now, according to overcome over the cap dot com. A half a million dollars. Like that not not fifty million dollars one half of one million dollars. To put that into perspective right now. The colts have roughly one hundred eight million. The jets have one hundred right around ninety eight million against the Texans have eighty two million. You can go through the list of teams. And there's about a dozen that have over thirty five million dollars in cap space. The Jags have five hundred twenty six thousand one hundred and eighty nine dollars and cutting. Blake Bortles only saves them about four million dollars in cap space this year there is not an easy situation for Nick foles at all. But somebody's gonna sign him. And he's absolutely given the way the quarterback market looks right now worth the risk. ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance. The power to save is in your hands snapshot shop from progressive rewards. You're safe driving with discounts. Find out more at Progresive dot com. Straight ahead. Lebron James has been an NBA villain before. And we didn't like it. So why is this story line coming around again in LA? We'll tell you next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio in the ESPN app. Welcome to Spain and fits the. Podcast Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Jason Fitz with you. You're hearing a lot of comparisons about LeBron always to one of the greatest names, we always here compared to Michael Jordan. But what if that's the wrong legend to compare them to what if there's a legend in another sport that isn't as favorable? We get to that in just a second. I do like to see this. Russell Westbrook thing in always running up and down the sidelines games. Go in the way, it was at this point a little bit contentious. But Russell Westbrook on the side gets accident can't tell if it's accidental or not a kid essentially puts his hand on on Russia's arm, and it it it's become an internet sensation because everybody's laughing at the look Russ looks back at like, you know, when you did something really inappropriate, and your mom was sitting there and just gives you the look that's what Russell Westbrook did to some random kid. He's just gave the kid to look and just stood there. Awkwardly long enough that it was like, oh, man. And then before you know, it you see like security coming out and talking to the kid to kid touched him. I it's created an issue that we're gonna take your calls on an few minutes. Triple eight say ESPN, eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six in about ten minutes going to take your calls on this. Because we we disagreed on this heatedly during prep for the show. I believe that the NBA has a problem on their hands. And we should learn from this instance, and figure out that, hey, maybe we can learn something from again, this could have gone really really bad if it was a drunk India. Instead, it's a cute kids. And we're not making a big deal about it. Still a problem for the NBA not everybody here agrees with me. So should the NBA start to figure out a way to protect the players more and builds more room around the court. I've got some ideas on him. I've got some suggestions. We'll take your calls in just a few minutes. Triple eight say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six. But before we get there. Lebron? And look everybody wants to compare him to Michael Jordan. Right. Lebron better than Michael Jordan. And then we'll have these conversations who's the real goat. Lebron or Tom Brady, right? We have all these stereotypical conversations. We're using the wrong legend name what if LeBron is kind of like hulk HOGAN. Nice. I can feel you rolling your eyes. I get it. Sarah's not here. She can't talk sought me for making a pro wrestling analogy, right scant, stop me from it. Let's remember that. There was this period. Where hulk HOGAN was the best ever. That's right. That's the hulk HOGAN intro music till everybody to eat their vitamins. Right. Rip the shirt off gravest American hero hulk HOGAN out there every single night for then WWF acting like a hero had it in his contract. He could never lose. Right. So we always one, and it didn't matter like it didn't matter. How Downey was doesn't matter. How bad Andre the giants beaten him. He finds a way to pull off the impossible. It's hogan. And then all of a sudden hulk HOGAN took this turn we had bad guy. Whole remember when we have bad guy hawk and we had like n w all Ojok that warlike like the black bandanna broody, angry hulk HOGAN, and you go through these layers, really good guy, bad guy. Hope good guy hog. And you'll take it. When hulk is one of the best you'll accept whatever version of hulk. You're getting if you're watching it saying man, hog, HOGAN, he's awesome. Right. You'll accept all of it. And then you. Wake up one day. And you're like, you know, what kind of tired of it? Hawks. Maybe not all that. Great. Maybe he's not as good as it used to be. Maybe we're just tired of the stick whatever. The thing is around hulk. We're just tired of it. Tired of watching him try, and like any leans over with the with the hands of the crowd. But as he got older like that, lean looked more and more painful. We got to the point where we got tired of the stick. Eventually, you know, what hol- Cogan became the downfall of hulk HOGAN, good guy or bad guy. He became predictable. Predictable. Isn't that where we are? Now. It's predictable that the roster wasn't going to be good enough around. Lebron it's predictable that LeBron is going to react to that. It's predictable that LeBron's going to go out and try and figure out a better way to build a team around him. It's all predictable. And it's one thing when you're in a heyday, you're just seeing it for the first time you're watching it on the first go around. It's amazing. It's one thing if you're looking at and saying, yeah. But it's the Cavs. The Cavs always thinking without LeBron. They're always going to stink. It's one thing. If you're watching the heat and you're saying I'm watching a dream team. I'll watch this right now because this is whole and macho man together, and nobody can beat them together. It's another thing entirely when you're watching and saying. God didn't we see this exact storyline that like wrestlemainia three? Are we really going to be back at now with it? It all affects the popularity. Lebron? My Senator Lee you don't need to feed LeBron haters. They have all the food they could possibly want. You don't need to feed the people that don't like LeBron because they find a way to be fed. No matter what. But this. This is feeding even the people that like him. This is feeding the people that are in between that haven't made up their mind, Trey wingo on golick and Golic and wingo. This morning talking with my goal of junior. They talked about the popularity of LeBron. If it's taken a hit check it out. I think is Q rating because of all the things he's done is actually bigger, but I think his perception mum basketball famous. That's what I'd have been taken. I think that's a fair way to look at it. Right. That that probably is. And I just think it's a weird mixed like is never played with a team this young and gotten the results that we've seen him get another spot. So the construction of the team that's why top three pick. That means a lot to me. And there's a point here where to trace the if you're talking about the basketball legacy. I'm not talking about the basketball. Like, see I'm talking. Lebron today I'm talking about the way LeBron is perceived today. Again, HOGAN WWE hall of Famer hulk HOGAN, the legacy going to be just fine. A whole generation of wrestling fans grew up saying I wanna be like hulk HOGAN. He'll always be the hawks ter-. Lebron will always be the king. This isn't about that. This is about an act. It was great at one point. And now suddenly feels tired. This is about an act that we're watching for the Lakers and the Lakers are not just some little team. The Lakers aren't the Cavs. At the Lakers aren't the heat the Lakers or a franchise. The basketball is built around. They are a brand in sports that's global the Lakers of done this for generations. The Lakers had stars at the level of LeBron throughout time in the NBA. The Lakers have had Hoke in the seventies hulk in the eighties Holck in the ninety s HOGAN, the two thousands. They always have that superstar. Lebron isn't v franchise for the Lakers. He simply one of the pieces in franchise history that make the Lakers amazing to watch for so many people. And your act may go great when you're the one and only your act may be perfect when you're the guy everybody wants to watch. But there comes a point where suddenly, suddenly it's not that fun anymore. Mariah Carey Mariah Carey defined an entire generation of musicians. Right. Like, this whatever ten octave range. She could sing anything. Everybody wanted to listen to her everywhere. She goes she can be the biggest in the world. She could carry four puppies in fifteen different little Baggies. She can have an entourage wherever she goes. He can have seventy two limos as they pull in. And it's all okay because mariah's going to sing him will Mariah sings. It's all better. But then over time Mariah doesn't sing as well. She blames the track she blames the weather. It was the tree lightings fault. Not hers. She blames everybody, but herself. And eventually you look at it. And you're like, you know, what I'm still gonna listen to the entirety of mariah's library and say God. I just love it. I love Mariah Carey, and I'm still going to admit that Mariah. Right now that's blaming the Cup of tea is just a big barely trash when she thinks. She's just not good anymore. And all of a sudden, the diva things that you took as part of the charm become part of the problem. That's where we are with LeBron. I'm not sending him flowers. But I might if years that he might want to maybe flowers will make it better. You know, whenever goes out of style. Surprising, a friend or loved one would buy one. Get one free multicolored roses bouquets for twenty nine ninety nine from one eight hundred flowers dot com, by the way, it always send them to the hulk to order, go to one eight hundred flowers dot com slash ESPN. I told you we want to get your thoughts. Russell Westbrook makes contact with the kid on the sideline it's a doorbell. But is it a system that will cause bigger problems to the NBA need to change the way they seat fins to protect players. I think they do. I want your thoughts. Triple eight say ESPN, eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six to the ten year old start rolling. Start the ball rolling towards limiting your access in sports. Your thoughts. Next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Fivefold thumb Andrei one long year, and your time has come and welcome to Spain and fits the podcast Denver. Oklahoma City was the game that we were most anticipating into I'll be honest, I'm hosting sportscenter on Snapchat last night. We're all sitting around a conference room. We knew that was going to be our lead story. Watch the game with tremendous instant interest. Denver gets out to a big lead. Oklahoma City comes back comes firing back calling her twenty two to six run at the beginning of the Ford that looks like we're gonna have a game Denver pulls away interesting game. But the most interesting thing wasn't the game on the court. It's what happened on the sideline. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and siriusxm channel eighty Jason Fitz with you we're presented by progressive insurance. I want your thoughts. Triple eight say ESPN, eight eight eight seven to nine three seven seven six is the NBA need to change their seating policy. And this is simple. Russell westbrook. Last night gets bumped by a really adorable kid can't tell if the kid was sort of. Maybe you can't tell from the angle maybe he was reaching for him because he was super close to an NBA player. Just wanted to touch him. Maybe he's just on the on the front row, and doesn't know how to control himself. Also, maybe he thought Russ was going to bump into them. You can't really tell. But anyway, you want to look at it is super doorbell kin made contact with an NBA player during a game. Now, Russ stopped gave him that. Look that your mom gives you when maybe said the wrong thing like, you know, you're there with all the grownups in the room, and you were too honest about an aunt Maples pie. And all of a sudden the entire room to like, your savage that was that room that that look that disapproving. Mom looked at lasts a really long time. I was used to it is. All right. And it lasted a minute Russ made his point and then to the to the venues credit. They were really smart they since Kurdi down talk to the kit. I think it was a great learning opportunity to tell him that you don't get to do that. But the real question is what if it hadn't been a kid, and what's the launching pad to change? Now. This is a social media was erupting with us. And there were a couple of different thoughts. There was the, oh, this is a doorbell and what a great moment for a player with a with a fan. And then there was the why we gotten so sensitive as a culture that we want to change everything, you know, me at all at this point. You know, I don't fall under these sensitive category. I'm the first to admit that I'm not usually the guy that wants change for the sake of change that doesn't change the fact though that you've put play you're so close in the NBA. I don't think it's safe. What if that had been an idiot? What if that had been a drunk fan? The fed have been a moron. Because it was a kid. We laugh it off. What if it's not a kid next time a rules not made for worst-case scenarios a rules, not made to protect players in these instances. And you're sitting there saying, well, how do you protect him one quick idea that came up what about essentially putting these score wall that you see down on the bottom. The padded players all the time and you run at the entire linked around the court. You create basically a box that the courts in it's padded, and guess what teams can run ads on it. The teams can monetize it put the front row behind that sort of a blockade. Now doesn't prevent players from having to go over the block aid. But it certainly prevents fans from reaching out in accessing the players what happens the first time a fan decides that they want to triple player going down the court and don't tell me it won't happen. We've seen NFL coaches. Do it. We've seen college football coaches reach out there footing. Oops, don't know. How that happened to those are professionals playing the game? You wanna tell me we're that far off from some more on that pay too much for the courtside ticket just not as big old. Towing trip and everybody I don't think so triple eight say ESPN eight eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six. Would you change the way? The seating goes at NBA games to protect players Sean in Utah next for calling the show man what he got. Yeah. I totally agree with that. I feel like, you know, just because it was a kid people think it's all doorbell anything. But like you said before if this is like a retard or more on something happens security doesn't get there. Yeah. We can't. We'll go with it. He was just being basically saying that was somebody that wasn't behaving themselves that there's nothing we can do about it and securities there I understand that security is not there fast enough. And all means scared is not there festival. I you know, I it wouldn't be a day. If I didn't mention that. I I don't know if you know, this I was in a band, but when we were when we were touring there were certain venues you played that that they actually put they put greats in front of everything they put rails in front of everything that kept the fans five six seven feet back from the stage, and they did that specifically because we live in a world in case. Nobody remembers a few years ago, we're country music fan actually, just reached up and while Tim McGraw was trying to be a nice guy and just shake a hand of a fan. They took his ring off. Access is one of those things that we've had forever. We take it for granted. And all of a sudden, I'm not sure did it's the best for the players, Mike and Mike. Thanks for calling the show, man. What are you got? Yeah. I disagree with you. I think they should leave it as as is is slated incident. I've been to mid plenty of games fans are typically well behaved then especially if you're sitting in those really expensive courtside seats. You don't wanna be directed. So I think for the most part, I think Westbrook, you know, at an altered incident by scolding the kid. He just let it go. I think it was just a young young fellow who's excited and reached out, but you don't see that digitally, and those people are really sick courtside. Typically are the upper tier people who are on their phones, you know, risk guys hanging. I wanna be seen. So I don't see that ever changing. And that's what makes basketball the best out of all the sports to be close and see the action of these great athletes courtside next to the call. I would argue an and Mike, but I would argue that it, you know, right now in the studio we've got the Kentucky game on back here in the studio. And I'm looking at this, and I don't see fan access right in front of everything. I mean the way that it's all laid out the fans. Behind a barrier of sorts. So as they've got the highlights rolling. I I understand the concept that hey, this was an isolated incident. I don't think Russ made it worse. We love to make Russ a bad guy. But fact is there's a line, and there's a level when you're doing your job, you're doing your job. And it's one thing for a fan to reach out, and touch you when you're expecting it when you're in the middle of going for some somebody reaches out like that, that's a total invasion of personal space. I'm sorry. Like he's on his he's he's a work on court. Court like again, if I sit down on a stage, if I'm out on the edge of the stage, and I'm playing solo that doesn't mean that in the moment of me playing that you have the right to to grab me. Means I'm doing my job. My job says go out to the stage and play. It doesn't say go out to the edge of the stage and then befuddled by whoever feels like fondling you. I mean, a player should be able to play basketball without any worrying about anybody touching him. That's not part of the game. That's just seems normal to me. He's doing his job, Stephen, Texas. Steve thanks for calling the show, man. What do you got? Hey, hey, listen. You know, I've heard all this. And I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill to certain extent, I get it. You know, the kids shouldn't touch Westbrook. And I have sat in those seats with my kid once, you know, and I control them, and we had no problems. But you know, it's an isolated incident. It's never happened before that I remember in. I can't recall any incentive any ever getting hurt. I think part of the fan experience with an NBA game is to get the kids up front. So I mean until something awful happens. I don't see the need to make a big deal out of it. Let me ask you see before we let you go. Do we really wanna wait is this this idea for something awful to because I agree with you? Everybody's saying it's an isolated incident yet until something awful happens wh- them. What are we not gonna look back and say, how do we not see this coming and change it? Obviously, I don't want anything to happen. But I mean, there's never been any evidence. But in the fans wanna trip anybody wanna hurt anybody. You know, I think a part of the charm, the NBA's to have the courtside seats, you know? I sat there it was a once in a lifetime thing, a guy rich guy gave me some seats. You know? And we and we loved it. We sat right next to the bench. We loved it. And I didn't see any problem with it. So I just I don't think any evidence suggests that there was any malice with the fans in the banks, Goldman appreciate it. And I'm always open to the to the to the discussion on you guys are right? And I've seen some tweets come through. You can always get to us on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at Spain and fits at Jason Fitz. And and, you know, you're you're right. We haven't seen a major incident happened before does that mean that we shouldn't look at this and say what if I mean rules are made essentially for worst case scenarios right mean rules in general are made for the okay win an idiot. Does this? We. We live in a world. Now where you have to have instructions that your coffee's hot. All right. We live in a world. Now where you have to have instructions on how to how to shampoo your head. I still don't understand that one. Like, what did you think you were going to do with the bottle, right? But we're at a spot where common sense even is put on the on the side of every package because we live in a lowest common denominator world, and in the lowest common denominator world, you gotta look at it and say what could happen not not what has happened. But what could happen? I know. It's a very Safeway. But we live in a world where kids we're eating tide pods. Can you do laundry anymore? I got like I to get my birthday to buy like Nyquil at half the places. Like, that's where we are. Now. Like, we've we've adjusted to worst case scenario for everything like it or not. I don't understand why this one thing were so resistant to change other than the fact that it's a great experience. And you're right. It is it is a great experience until the first time God forbid, something horrific happened straight ahead. Anthony Davis visits LeBron and the Lakers LA roll out the red carpet next Spain and Fitz on. ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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Nepotism

The Kevin Sheehan Show

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Nepotism

"You want it you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show now. Here's Kevin Right Ahrends here. I'm here that's it. No guests today Tommy Bean tomorrow We got a lot to get to the Super Bowl is set the team that runs the ball and plays defense in the forty niners against the team. That has the best quarterback if not the best player right now on the planet earth. Oh My god Patrick mahomes yesterday He was sensationally. Has Been Sensational in these two playoff games and really these first. The two seasons of him starting have been spectacular. Do you remember at the very early days of the podcast. which is now you know just a year and a half old old but in the early days when Patrick mahomes started off two thousand eighteen you know? He threw for six touchdowns in the second week and people were already saying. This is the greatest quarterback I've ever seen and I just said you know pump the brakes come on. He's not in the hall of fame quite yet. He's good but I really said let's see what happens. Ends over the course of an entire season. He's ridiculous he he's just a massive you know He's in a racer of everything. Everything that goes wrong in a game he can erase it all against a good defensive team about you know a great defensive team and he played a good defensive team yesterday and he's got a great defensive team he'll face in the super bowl he was spectacular. Yeah I mean he's the guy that you're never comfortable facing. There's no point in that game even when the titans went up and even the week before go ahead tell everybody what you did. I bet the chiefs of got got down to minus two and a half live. Seventeen seven was seventeen. Seven seven minus two and a half what was the what was the The price of that of the minus two and a half in game was a minus one twenty. Yep Mice Yeah I bought it but again it. It just doesn't matter what the score is. You'd never feel like you're out of it if you're on that side with Patrick Mahomes yeah you don't I mean that's the thing like most teams third and fourteen is check down and punit third and fourteen with him is look out there. Throwing the ball way downfield. One thing seems obvious about this super bowl this. This is a very a good matchup game open. Pick them it's a casey minus one minus one and a half now depending on where you're looking To excellent teams to contrast contrast in styles. You've got storylines all over the place. You've got Kansas City in the Super Bowl for the first time in fifty years I mean. How many times are we gonNA see? Hang Strands Rams you know sixty five toss power trap and fell film stuff from Super Bowl four or come on boys let's matriculate the ball down the field boys we're going to be getting that in the week leading up to super bowl fifty four Andy Reid a hall of fame career without a super bowl trying to get his first. You Know San Francisco looking for its first Super Super Bowl winning twenty five years with the son of a two time superbowl winner. Mike Shanahan Kyle Shanahan. The Sun has led the team to a super bowl. Kansas City a one point favorite. A great quarterback is essentially the reason. They are a one point favorite in this game. It's like it's a great quarterback as a slight favourite over perhaps a better overall team. I'm looking forward to the Super Bowl. You know. This is the first super bowl in seven years without either. Tom Brady or Peyton manning as a quarterback you know if you go if you go in order so they're sort of a new blood feel to this game which I like back? The last six super bowls the AFC representatives in order Denver New England Denver New England New England New England so for the last six six until this year. We had either Tom Brady or peyton manning as a starting quarterback in the Super Bowl. You won't have that this time. It's Kansas City in the AFC. The fantasy it's been much different. San Francisco is going to be the fifth different team in five years to make the Super Bowl and the fourth NFC team in the last five years to make the Super Bowl following a losing season or a five hundred season the year before they made it. The forty niners were four and twelve last year. The Eagles goals were seven and nine the year before they wanted the panthers were seven eight and one the year before they got to it And the Falcons the year they got to it and lost were eight and eight. So it's been sort of an NFC trend to jump from not very good to really good to like NFC championship. Good and I know that that that provides a lot of hope for Redskin fans and we'll have a lot of opportunity to talk about that over the next two weeks this super bowl also continues a trend That says you better be a top two seat and have that first round by to make it seven straight years now of the super bowl featuring a top two seed from each conference the last team not to have wild card weekend is a by and to make it the twenty twelve Ravens Evans who want it. So the Super Bowl really has represented during a seven year. Stretch the best of the regular season you know the first weekend by and obviously homefield advantage in at least one of the two games is once again. You know seems to be crucial until it won't be anymore because I went back in and looking looking up all this I found that the last seven years you had to be a top two seed to make the Super Bowl but the three years before that we basically had three years in a row of the team game winning it all playing on wild card weekend I will get to Sort of game. Take a breezy. It'd versions of each of the game takes here in a few minutes but I wanted to get to this because there was a lot of conversation on twitter yesterday about about nepotism. It's been a one of those things sort of attached to Kyle Shanahan for many many years here when he was here in Twenty Ten twenty eleven twenty twelve in two thousand thirteen. I mean many of you admitted a you know regardless of what you see now in the last couple of years admitted you thought the only reason he had the job was because his father's name was Mike Shanahan and he was the head coach. So many of you I remember those days and I would fight it internally. Turnley with guys at the station saying are you guys out of your mind. This guy's a proven a proven offensive coordinator offensive minded coach. You know and people would say come on man this dude. He's he's here because his father's Mike I looked up the definition of nepotism. Last night I'll read it to you. It's the practice among those with power or influence of favoring relatives or friends. I thought it was just relatives actually or friends especially by giving them jobs so using it in a sentence accurately When applied to Kyle Shanahan I would I would write. The sentences fought fought as follows. Kyle Shanahan got his first opportunities as a coach primarily because of his father Mike Shanahan's longtime success as an NFL head coach career that includes two super bowl championships. Course through in the MIC stuff. Just because I like Mike using a used in a sentence inaccurately Kyle Kyle. Shanahan was hired by his father in Washington to be the offensive coordinator because he was the head. Coach's son that's just not true. It wasn't true then it's it's not true now he's not a super bowl participating head coach because of his father. Okay nepotism. It's it's amazing that word. It's a word that implies more often than not something very negative or at least something worthy of an IRA will you know we. We see that all the time it happens in all walks ox of life. Kids get more playing time in youth sports than they should very often because their father or mother is the coach. You know or an older brother. Kids brothers sisters daughters getting jobs. They don't deserve because dad or mom or older brother. Older sisters in a position to provide an opportunity for a loved one. That really hasn't been earned yet. We see that happen. All the time happens in business all the time more than in sports really more than an entertainment aiman where a certain level of talent is pretty much imperative or it becomes too obvious that the person hired because of nepotism his Didn't deserve it. You can hide someone in a company and give him a good salary if they're not producing much because dad owns the company. It's it's really hard for a professional coach to put his son on a on an NFL roster and pay him. If the kid actually can't do it you see my point. There is a different thing you know in a business owned by dad or mom or in a company where the dad is the president or CEO or the MOM is much cheesier to hide somebody and give them an opportunity that they haven't earned and that they don't continue to earn by through production. But when you're in a position in pro sports or entertainment really hard that kind of hide that yesterday Joe Buck was calling the NFC championship game. Because he's really really good at what he does. He got that way on his own but he got that way also with the help of his father the legendary Jack Book. Who took Joe everywhere are he went professionally? If you've ever read the story of the Bucks Everywhere old old man Jack Buck went. He took his son Games. Son would be in the booth. Son had a lot lot of access as a kid. It wore off clearly. Not Joe's fault I mean what a great childhood Joe May Have Gotten his first job with the help from his dad or because because of who is dad was but he's not the number one fox play by play Guy Because his dad's name is Jack. Buck Okay Joe. Buck isn't in the position. He's in now. Because of nepotism he may have been given a chance at twenty two years old with the Louisville redbirds which was a minor league affiliate of the St Louis Cardinals. Where's dad was doing games forever? But he's not the number one. NFL play by play guy on Fox because of his father's there's influence over Joe's employers it was probably more genes thing with Joe and Jack Buck. Joe Had the chops as it turned out in sports. Many great players are children of great players. You know or former players. You don't think Steph Curry got the best coaching the best. AAU team opportunities in part because he was Dell Curry son. How about Klay Thompson or Austin rivers or Berry bonds you know but ultimately in sports but you gotTa have the talent you gotta have the goods for the most part on your own? or It's completely exposes. Everybody Kyle Shanahan started as a Ucla Lake Grad Assistant. Maybe Mike made the call he then got an offensive. Qc Job Quality Coach job in Tampa. Maybe Mike made a call. Jon Gruden you know. I'm not going to suggest that that isn't a possibility. But after that after those opportunities perhaps created because of nepotism the rest he he had to prove in Houston from two thousand six to two thousand nine working for Gary Kubiak. Which which you know Gary is almost like a family member to the Shanahan's Shanahan's you could almost say? The Gary Kubiak gave my Kyle Shannon Shanahan his opportunity because of nepotism but he was he was a wide receiver coach. She was a quarterbacks coach. He was an offensive coordinator for two years. You know Mike's told this story before Mike could hired him in Denver when Mike was Hiring. Denver didn't want to told them that they should not work together until Kyle had proved himself on his own And that you know if they were to work together that it was it was it. It would be obvious that it was based on merit Mike Needed Kyle. More than Kyle needed Mike in Washington. You know Mike Mike told has told the story that he wasn't going to hire hire kyle or consider working with Kyle until Kyle had produced a top five offense which by the way Kyle did twice in Houston and the offensive coordinator. They were the third ranked offense in two thousand eight with Matt Shaw primarily quarterback and the number four offense in the NFL in two thousand nine One of the One of the quarterbacks that was on that Houston roster and actually got some starts. I think when Shaw was hurt with sage Rosenfels who's actually drafted by the Redskins redskins and Marty Schottenheimer in two thousand one Sage rosenfels was asked Recently about The for the year that he got to Houston when Shanahan was the receivers coach Houston's head coach at the time was Gary Kubiak. And it's a Rosenfels was in fell's tells the story said he he I get there and it's Kyle Shanahan's here and he goes. I was thinking to myself all right here we go. We've got a Kubiak hiring Mike Shanahan son. We know how this is go and then Rosenfeld said after being in the same room with him multiple times he was completely blown away unquote. I learned the most football from him that year and the following year when Shanahan became the offensive coordinator than I learned from anybody at any point in my career. Rosenfels isn't fells played for six teams over nine year career. That two thousand seven year. I knew he was the real deal. That's when he was a quarterbacks coach she was not the o C in two eight thousand seventy became the OC in two thousand. Two thousand nine quote. Somehow he made me a decent. NFL quarterback I never had as much successor. Asser understood the game as well before or since that was all him. He related to players so well whether it was Andre Johnson Or Kevin Walters the wide receivers or the quarterback. He really had an ability to relate to players and was very likable more than anything though he knew how to dissect defense and how to adjust he knew exactly what to do. The defense did X. He would do Y.. Close quote on that from Sage Rosenfels so I guess the purpose of this is just to say if you actually actually really are going to get into this nepotism debate. Know what you're talking about nepotism probably benefited. Someone like Kyle Shanahan early early in his career. You know there's no doubt that You know being Mike Shanahan son first of all just being around Mike like Joe Buck Kyle is talked about how he was. Always around Mike's Teams in Denver in particular. You know he was training camp every year and being a part of that and being around it clearly wore off. Obviously he was bright and he was interested. You know all of us who are fathers with sons daughters etc.. You know That when the kid isn't interested you cannot force the success. You cannot force that that child to end up loving the same things you love. It's it's you know I'm not GonNa sit here and preach but I just always thought it was a mistake. I made a lot of mistakes. Jake's apparent I remember one thing when it came to sports because of my love for sports I made it a point if my son and I have three. Boys doesn't Love Sports. That's fine if if he's not a good athlete that's fine you know. And they've got one thing I remember is if you love something you'll end up probably being much better at that than then you will something that you don't love doing. Kyle obviously was around his father and loved what his father did and so he soaked it all up and he he deserves to be here and he may have gotten here even without his father's Without Mike Shanahan being his father if he had been introduced to football in any other way because he's extremely bright And Man what a hell of what a hell of a hell head coach. He's turned in To here in San Franscisco with respect to the Washington thing. It's just always been frustrating to me is a redskins fan to know that we had all of this talent under one roof and it was really one of the only I mean we had it with Marty when he was here. You know Joe to a certain extent but you know in two thousand ten coming off two of the real rock bottom moment. Certainly two thousand nine was a rock bottom moment. You had a two time superbowl winning coach and you had a lot of talent in the building you had potentially a run of Mike Shanahan file followed by Kyle Shannon. I know what Mike's Record was. It was twenty four and forty. Okay I know what his record was a lot of reasons for that. Lots of reasons and Mike didn't do his part when it came to. He was given the authority but he didn't exercise it in the same way that say Mardi Mardi left Mardi said Nope. It's GonNa work this way or I'm out of here. I know you're not having fun. That was sort of the point. Marty said to Dan in the other owners part the problem was you. I recognize that I asked for total control. If you're gonNA take it away from me I'm leaving and I think Mike probably in hindsight could've could've you know stood up a little bit more and said Nope it's either him or me right now before the twenty thirteen season the all in for week one and was a sabotage season courtesy of the owner and the quarterback and his part in it the head coach for not exerting the authority that he was supposedly given to say. We're doing it my way or I'm out of here. You know. We read the stories about after the Seattle game And some of the stuff that was going on then he almost packed up his bags and left then but it didn't happen. What makes me upset as a redskin fan is to think that you know the the combination and I've said this many times arrogance not that bright and boy pettiness and insecurity that kind of culture that has really You know the organization has has been soaked in for so long has really kept it more than anything else from thriving and being successful. Hopefully this is a new day with Ron Rivera. And hopefully Ron Rivera realizes what's gone wrong in the past with other quality quality people who have been here and he's able to change it or maybe the owner will change it himself because he's so desperate. I'm happy for Kyle. I don't know Kyle. I know Mike like much better. I got to know Mike when he was here. And I had conversations with Kyle or you know not many had him on the air a couple of times have had another conversation number sation. I can tell you this that. Mike was less confrontational than his own son. and And his son in Mike always said had this is a better coach then he was ever going to think about being. He felt that way from the get go. I remember seeing very early on. Kyle's going to be a much. You better head coach than I was Anyway by the way that kind of you know. It's his son. Of course you you root for that but t to have the ability to say that to be secure enough to say that we need more of that out and Ashbourne now anyway Let's get to the game. Takes the attention. He's this can this game day out start with the first game Which Aaron in Gamed Kansas City minus two and a half when they were down seventeen seven and that was a winter? Nice job out of you. Well done I so it's really hard. Let me let we begin with this after last week and now after yesterday. It's really hard to even envisioned Kansas City being slowed down offensively. Like your football fan. You Watch such a lot of games you've watched the chiefs you know score. Forty one unanswered against the Against the Texans and then yesterday down seventeen seven you know run off a twenty eight to seven stretch of football and it just seems like with Mahomes and their weapons that they're unstoppable and it's one of those things you you gotta think about as we as we get to the Super Bowl Week in two weeks from now or a little bit less than two weeks from now I mean that great defense against that offense that Ca. Ah really can you see them being slowed down. Can you see him being stopped. It's hard to. It's hard to imagine that in this game yesterday. There were a couple of things first of all you you know I would not have engaged Kansas city at seventeen to seven so good for you. I mean the smell was open. Three worst this. We'll be the worst year the smell test in the fourteen years that I've been doing it. I will now have to my record. Ten winning seasons four losing seasons but the three losing seasons prior to this one. We're really close to like fifty percent. Just barely losing seasons you know minus two or three units. I'm now down nine. Mm Unit some nine units below five hundred After being up twenty six it's crazy Anyway the reason I wouldn't have done it is because Tennessee was moving the ball pretty easily. You know their first three drives were eight. Plays fifty eight yards field goal. Three nothing nine plays fifty eight yards touchdown. Their ten nothing fifteen plays seventy five yards nine minutes and seven seconds. And if you were watching we see with a lot of audio interruptions on CBS You told me Erin this morning that that was a w USA channel nine thing that people were not not experiencing that nationally. Yeah it was a little bit frustrating but anyway at that point they've got a seventeen seven lead all right after that fifteen play drive and that drive ends with six just over six minutes to go in the first half. What's amazing about that first? Half Okay is that Tennessee scores. They they have the ball four times the score on the first three drives the fourth the fourth ride. They ended up punting on they punted once they had no turnover sitting there down. Twenty one to seventeen with nineteen minutes and eight seconds time of possession. It couldn't couldn't have gone any better. The first half for them they possess the ball. They scored when they had it. They didn't give mahomes many opportunities and yet they're still down twenty one seventeen at the half in part because mahomes made a phenomenal run for a touchdown a second in ten first of all. Let me just mention this. It was a clock management. Error there by Andy Reid in that final minute of the first half. He had all of his timeouts left or at least two two or three timeouts left and on one of the plays I think it was the throat a Watkins best basically let twenty five seconds roll off before they got their neck next snap they. They could've used that because if mahomes gets tackled there you know. Even if it's down at the two or three yard line were there. Were more missed tackles. There was a hesitation. pull up when he was tight. Roping the sideline. I'm thinking you would go out of bounds. And that by the way is total result of just the rules now. We can't hit the quarterback because I thought that he was gettable at that point but if he goes down say at the two yard line three yard line they get him down there only GonNa have eleven seconds left you know. That's an opportunity for Tennessee. They should have had at that point every bit of thirty seconds left. Ted Andy. Reid managed the clock will anyway doesn't matter he makes one of the great runs by quarterback for a touchdown you'll ever see and that was the game there that was really the game begins. Tennessee needed at least in the moment. You're thinking Kansas City's going to get the ball to start the second half they're up for now they're going to go up eleven they didn't but you really if you're Tennessee. Needed to hold them to to a field goal in that particular spot to go in seventeen seventeen team at the half. That was that was unfortunate and it was twenty one seventeen but anyway netting it out Derrick Henry for all of the talk after the game about how Henry was shut down and how Henry wasn't the factor. Everybody thought he would be you know at halftime. He's sitting there are ten carry sixty two yards. Averaging six point two yards per carry. And it's twenty one seventeen and they've only punted once in the game like if you're Tennessee. You're going into that game thinking thing you know. We can't punt more than three times in the game. We only punted once in the first half. Derrick Henry get six point two yards per carry and tannahill thrown thrown the ball. Well you know he's eleven seventeen for one hundred twenty yards. So you're playing. Well you have you done. You've executed the game plan to a t to pull the upset at Arrowhead and you're still down twenty one seventeen which is really going to get to when we get in the Konkan get into the conversation about the Super Bowl. It's what scares you is that you can execute the perfect game plan. If you're running. Football team like Tennessee. And you can possess the the ball for at a two one ratio you and still get beat It was the second half in which I thought that Tennessee. Arthur Smith the offensive coordinator Rabl. I thought that they panicked a little bit. They gotTA stop on. Kansas City's first drive. Kansas City had a I had a pretty good dry going and then there was a they gotta stop and they got a punt and Tennessee did get the ball back in the third quarter down by four with a chance to take the lead to get get it back into the game and had to be which is we need to score and then even if they score we get back with a chance to take the lead and in that particular drive. They moved the ball. They were moving the ball and it was a penalty that really drilled it. Now is the third one stop on Henry against a goal line defense. I don't know if you've heard Romo say this suit Tennessee's first drive of the second half. They're driving it and they've picked up. They've already made two first downs. I think at that point Dr And it's third and one one from their own forty one yard line made for Stan. Excuse me And Derrick Henry against goal line defense and when I go online defense it means eleven people. At the line of scrimmage. They had eleven people. At the line of scrimmage on that play go back and watch that play. There's no safety it's everybody. At the line of scrimmage with you know trying to stop a third one because they knew they were gonNA run the ball and they did. They stopped him now. There was a holding penalty against Tennessee. Very interesting decision there for Andy Reid does. Does he take the penalty and give them another down or does he decline the penalty and allow Tennessee potentially at that point from their own forty one yard line to go for it. They may have in fact given what we know about Kansas City offensively. It's almost a half to go for it and it would have been third in a little bit less than retook the penalty. I think it was the right thing to do. And so so then they had a third and eleven and that was the play tannehill scrambled and got absolutely crunched Sorenson and they punted it back again and this is where I think the game got had a little bit away from Tennessee. First of all Kansas City converts a couple of third downs on the drive And then and they score. They ended up scoring to take a twenty eight seventeen lead and they took the rest of the quarter. The rest of the third quarter on that drive into the fourth quarter is when they scored the touchdown. And it's twenty eight seventeen so Tennessee's now going to touch the ball Aaron for just the second time in the second half and it's already the fourth quarter. Think about that. I was thinking about this. I always do I for some reason. The college game last week in the first quarter of the Game Clemson had five possessions. LSU LSU had four new with whatever nine possessions and the game was seven seven at the end of the first quarter. It's not like people were just punting in an NFL game in the second half Tennessee. Hennessy didn't even touch the ball for the second time until the fourth quarter and at that point is weird they decided. Derrick Henry is not going to be a part of this game anymore I I thought it was wrong. He had ten carry sixty two yards six point two yards per carry. You needed to get your defense off the field after that long. Keep the defense off the field for a while and they went. Tannahill passed it to Corey Davis which was a big play for fifteen yards and then it was Tannahill to Derrick Henry sort of a panic check down tannehill. Aj Brown tannahill sat punt. So that was not good That was giving up on the run. They didn't run the ball once on that particular drive and I thought that that was not a point and not at point in the game early in the fourth quarter where you had to become unbalanced. And that was it basically for Derrick Henry. I mean he had a you know I think he had another Kerry maybe in the game. Actually he may not have had another carry after that. not one more Kerry for Derrick Henry after that ten carry sixty two yards. Okay in the first half and then on that first drive of the third quarter he got at once twice three times four five six times. How did he end up with? Nineteen carries then says one thousand nine hundred sixty must have had a couple of other carries in the second half. Anyway I digress first-half half perfect game plan second half got away from the game plan when it became a to score game and then when it became a three score game they did fake punt. Which is beautiful? I you you know that that. That's an indication Just by chance of a coach who does not believe in his quarterbacks ability on his own to to pick up a fourth down conversion he goes with the punter on a fake punt on fourth and eight from their own twenty two yard line like not only does does he go for a fake punt he goes for a fake punt in an obvious fake punt situation. He had more confidence in the fake punt. Play then he didn't Tannahill and converting a fourth and eight Tanna hills perfect in in good down in distance obviously force to throw. It's going to be a problem Thirty five twenty. Four the final in that game homes throws for three runs for another. He ends up becoming the first quarterback in NFL history in the postseason to lead his team twice in two games to the Super Bowl in rushing Eight carries fifty three yards yards. And that's really part of his greatness. Is he such a effortless runner. You know it's always last resort but it's it's usually the right thing to do one of the things that was pointed out by Romo in Clinton portis talked about it with me this morning on the radio show is that it's really hard to confuse mahomes but when you do with Man Zone looks like man pre snap or vice versa. He doesn't force for city recognizes it Po- snap and then he uses his legs to hurt you with a run or an extension of the play. I don't know really other than Russell Wilson. Uh Lamar Jackson. Aaron Rodgers people point out staubach and Torkington from way back. There are others. I there's something about mahomes. Because is the combination of his elusiveness and his arm strength. That may separate him from everybody else. He is an eraser of bad situations. He takes a pass rush and he alludes it and then he keeps extending the play. And when you have tyreek Hill and you have Travis Travis Kelsey and Watkins Hardman etc.. Somebody's going to be open and he's GonNa have the arm strength to get it to you the second game yesterday featured Richard One of the most dominant one sided beatdown halves. I've ever seen in a big game. We talked about it on Friday. Earn that San Francisco. It was a healthy defense was just going to be too much for Green Bay like that Sunday night game we watched. It's like what's changed. Nothing thirty thirty seven to eight Rogers. Couldn't you know had no time had seventy five yards passing into the fourth quarter yesterday in the second half of change but but in the first first half first of all he moisture in the first half fourteen carries one hundred sixty yards and a half or grappling only through the ball. Six Times comes in a half the game more on that coming up here shortly. It was under siege for Green Bay. It was okay. Hey we can't protect our guy. We have to throw screens to. It was the same thing to remember. I said last week about Minnesota. They're trying screens. And it doesn't work against San Francisco. They react too quickly there too fast. Same thing yesterday. They're trying screens to get something going. And they're getting nailed now. What did work for them in the first half half and I was surprised that they didn't do more of it with Aaron Jones carried the ball nine times for forty nine yards in the first half a lot of those that yardage coming coming on sort of toss sweeps toss zone sweeps that seemed to be an opportunity for them but they got away from it? A little bit now started to get stopped after awhile but averaged five point four yards per carry. You know on those nine carries. It looked like it was the only chance. Green Bay had to move it. The problem of course is is that when San Francisco had they possessed and they possessed it by just running the football and doing very little else. They ran the football down Green Marine base throat. Start to finish. You know the first drive of the game was a three and out punt for San Francisco. They get stopped on the third one. It was the only good defensive live play. Essentially all day by Green Bay. After that it was touchdown field goal touchdown fuel and and then after the interception right before the half another touchdown how how about the first touchdown. Its third nate against five. I think it was five. DB's I think it was nickel been six. And Kyle says we're going to run a sort of a draw but a trap wrap draw with Moster who takes it thirty six yards for a score symptoms. I don't think you see enough coaches willing to run the ball and third and seven thirty eight against a defense defense that is five six. DB's and everybody playing. You know the sticks. I think. Sometimes you don't see enough coaches run the ball in that spa they ran a for a touchdown the most incredible second best day in NFL history post season. History the two hundred and twenty yards in the game Second only to the Eric Dickerson's two hundred and forty eight yards. I'm pretty sure that came against the cowboys in the mid eighties. I could be wrong Most twenty nine two hundred and twenty yards averaged seven point six yards and had four four touchdowns four on the day and because they could not be stopped rushing the football. Jimmy Garoppolo had one of the the most incredible stat lines from a twenty-first-century quarterback. I think I've ever seen six of eight. Was Jimmy Garoppolo for seventy seven yards six of eight. That's ridiculous. That's Bob Greasy numbers from the Nineteen Seventies. It is it is quite rare to see what we've seen in this postseason which is multiple quarterbacks winning games throwing for less than one hundred yards. That's pretty incredible to see Miami Through the second fewest passes is thrown in a playoff game. Miami through six and seven passes Following The one thousand nine hundred seventy three playoff. So you've got to go back to the nineteen seventy-three playoffs that would not have been the year that they beat the redskins. It was the seventy three super bowl that they beat the redskins. But if you go back to the nineteen seventy-three season alright. They In their playoff games on their way to another super bowl win over the Vikings Bob Greasy here it is in the two in the in the playoff here. Hold on one second against the raiders in the AFC Z.. Championship Game Bob. Chrissy was three for six for thirty four yards in the AFC title win over the raiders. They they beat the raiders. Twenty seven to ten in Bob Greasy was three for six is the starting quarterback for thirty four yards. They rushed the ball In that that game czanka had over one hundred Mercury Morris had eighty six and In Greece himself had thirty nine yards rushing And then in the super bowl that year against Minnesota Bob Greasy went six for seven seventy three yards and super bowl. Win a twenty four to seven super bowl win over Miami so the fewest yesterday. Since those two games by Bob Greasy following the seventy three season Jimmy Garoppolo eight passes passes yesterday the fewest since then in amazing in this day and age that that could happen but it did really impressed with the forty niner. Run game obviously really impressed with their speed on defense It just it leads to this. This sort of thought about the Super Bowl and that is that this great defense in this great running game. It would seem to be what you would need to beat. A Patrick Mahomes lead team but at the same time. Can you envision the chiefs scoring less than thirty points against anybody right now. They've scored eighty six two weeks against decent. Well Houston not a decent defensive team Tennessee. Not only a decent defensive team a well coached defensive. Team got plenty of time to make a pick on that game. 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As well right so he the damage to that any had significant nerve damage to the knee. And it's just it's strange man just the the redskins in these injuries like they. You just can't break a leg and have it heal properly you know. They can't just have a tornado. Seattle and have everything go the normal. You Know Rehab route. There's always something else in this this Nerve damage Was reported yesterday. By in in rappaport it came from Foster's agent apparently foster could not feel l. his toes for several months following the surgery and the injury but apparently he now has that feeling back and there's more optimism today than there was was say a week or two ago and there is some hope that foster can participate in some form or fashion. Come training camp no timetable for his return. I would just say this. Aw I'M NOT GONNA put it in the Alex Smith category but I wouldn't count on Reuben foster if I'm a Redskins Fan in twenty twenty you know he's a young guy and I'm sure there's GonNa be an opportunity down the road But this is these these are injuries when you hear nerve damage that ends up being the typically one of those things scary you know and can be career-threatening. We'll we'll see I. You know. Wish him the best and hope that he's back I don't even know what Ron rivers feeling about. Reuben foster it would be in the first place. They're going to afford three. You know a Reuben foster could fit in a couple of spots including the middle Right now in terms of the players that you may they have Shawn Shawn Deehan. Hamilton B. Your Middle Linebacker head start playing tomorrow because John Boston. Not under contract although Bostock's really smart and is a bit of a team and leader and I think can play that middle linebacker spot There is also a story earlier this morning from J. P. Finley who wrote a story on NBC Sports Washington Shington Dot Com about Scott Turner and Kevin O'CONNELL in the whole offensive coordinator situation that got resolved the Byron Rivera Hiring Scott Turner and I think there were. There was a lot of mystery as to well. Kevin O'CONNELL even want the job. What did he want to get out out of Washington? Did he want to go work for Josh mcdaniels. If he got a job he ended up getting a job with. Sean McVeigh. Who else was in the running well? JP It did some reporting this morning and essentially wrote that. This was a competition that O'CONNELL wanted the job wanted to stay in Washington But that Scott Turner just you know interviewed very well. And Ron Rivera decided to go with a Scott Turner over Kevin O'CONNELL period period. I mean that's that's essentially. He did add one little twist in the story which I'll get to in a moment The redskins did ask in. There was some reporting around on this. They did ask to interview former giants. Head coach Pat Shurmur But shurmur declined the interview And at that point you know after the interviews Rivera decided go with Turner now one thing that JP through in As a guest on my radio show this morning. He said that one of the people that interviewed Scott Turner was Dan. Snyder Heider the part of the interviewing process included a sit down interview with Dan. Snyder Dan Snyder I think really wanted Kevin O'CONNELL title to be here in wanted that relationship that he began last year with Wayne Haskins to continue I don't when JP told me that this it's morning not gonNa make a big deal out of this not just going to tell you that it doesn't sit well with me like I'm not sitting there going. Oh Good Dan. Dan Interviewed Scott. And everybody's on the same page. I don't want him to be on anybody's page. I want it to be the Ron Rivera book. In every page he writes or people he chooses fills fills in all the detail makes all the decisions. I don't want Dan. I don't want him to feel like we gotta have Mr Snider sit down with him for his approval. I mean that's gotten us nothing but just awful catastrophic season after season when he's involved even in at the minimum amount so I didn't really like to hear that but at the same time it could have been for all we know I mean I consider. Maybe this context. I've known Scott since he was a kid. You know he was here. He was teenagers in high school. And you unnerve was here for two years and I want to sit down with always doing and see if he you know feels good about the organism whatever. It could have been something like that rather than you know how. He his plan for developing the quarterbacks and maybe he asked him that too. But I hope Ron Rivera is not relying or feeling that. He's gotTa get you know. Well I don't know remember who wrote this It was in the kind mm story. Somebody said the best way to handle. Dan is to do it your way but make them feel like it's his idea. Say Yes so maybe. That's part of what Rivera's it's doing there as well. If you want to try to spend it in a positive way you could just say that. Well Rivera. New Turner a lot he didn't wanNA show favoritism so he wanted somebody else to sit in there now having a big. Dan was probably a problem. But if you want to send it in a positive way rivera not just saying oh I know Turner I don't know Connell. Clearly I will lean towards Turner. So let's get somebody else in there to talk to them as well. It's possible you could spend that in a positive way one other quick note In terms of hirings from over the weekend the giants did hire Jason Garrett to be their offense coordinator so Jason Garrett stand in the Division as an OC in New York Working for Joe Judge and the New York giants all right Let's finish up the show by getting to all the things that we haven't gotten to yet from the the past weekend busy weekend. Don't worry we've got you covered. It's a weekend let's start with the caps Before we get to the Alex veteran hat trick for the second game in a row their comeback win over the islanders. If you didn't see this story I thought it was. It's interesting so the islanders had a four to one lead Aaron at the end of the second period and their Saturday game against the caps and on a goal late in the second period by Devin which gave them that. Four to one lead. Taves did the you have Guinea Kuznetzov flapping bird walk thing. That cousy does. After his his goals it was sort of in a mocking way and the islanders. Linder's twitter account put out the video of that goal and after the caps basically came back in the third period with five on answered answered to win the game six four. The islanders twitter account couldn't handle all of the criticism of them putting that video out and they deleted the tweet. See this. We've had this conversation before a little bit various times when you take on the when you decide that you're going to tweet in the middle of a game just remember member. 'cause we all do it I do it. Aaron doesn't anybody that tweets in the middle of the game knows that there is a chance that that tweet may not age. Well see Zeev gotta be willing to accept the the the consequences of your tweet not aging. Well one of my favorite responses on tweets that don't don't age well is that didn't age very well did it. You gotTA deal with it. If you'RE GONNA end if you're going to head into this jungle that we refer refer to as tweeting you got to be prepared to deal with the consequences which includes getting abused in every way possible in two hundred and eighty characters or less. If you don't have the stomach for this watch the game share your opinions with those. That are in the room with you win. That's it your friends and family members those that are sitting around. Hey Man Islanders. They're kicking the caps ass looking to be doing that's great he's mocking in cousy. If you're not if you'RE GONNA enter social media in game tweeting or Instagram or anything else you've got to be prepared prepared and be okay with the consequences I've been called out so many times for That didn't Jerry well that we didn't age very well. Come on man you kill. You can't pull that down takes exposed as fun. Yes unless it's an old take. Look I mean there are reasons to delete a tweet. You know like if you're a business or a team in somebody or you're a player that's employed by an employer that's going to be really upset. Yeah you'd better delete it quickly. This is all in sort of the in game you know jawing back and forth at each other yes. It's the talking talking trash area and if you're not willing to accept the consequences of your trash talking coming back and looking terrible able and making you look awful dumb then don't tweet in game. Don't there many times I sit down. I'm like you know what I have a real strong feeling right now about this. Game's about to turn in this direction. And then just finishing the tweet something happens it saves me. I did send that one. Oh Oh God. That is so weak on the islanders. Part so weak meantime Alex Ovechkin. My God I mean where do you where do you start. He's got eight goals in the last three games. Eight goals in the last three games and he passed He passed lemieux. He's tied with is sermon. Now on that list and you basically have a situation these two behind messy behind and he's three more to pass Messier and and you know we talked about this last week. I think I did it on the podcast with Tommy. Yeah yeah he's going to catch Gordie Howe for the number two spot he's GonNa be in unless there's an injury knock on wood if he doesn't get seriously injured and had his career cut short at this point he's more he's he's GonNa probably within two years two and and a half years be the number two goal score of all time House at eight hundred one goals and Gretzky's I think eight ninety four it's a an-any four so now Gretzky it may take like four years to get him four and a half years to get to him and now you're talking about a thirty eight year old ovechkin but I think think two's pretty safe. Yes not a lock that he catches. Greg it's not a lock that he catches Gretzky but I think it's a lock that he catches. Gordie Howe barring some again barring an injury barring something weird happening now it's too bad for the caps. Is You know they get on a roll here. You know right before their bye week and all star break combined yes and because he's not he's passing the All Star game again. It's a one game suspension. Which means he's not GonNa play until the twenty ninth against Nashville at home so he goes from eight goals in three games to now having to sit for eleven days before he plays another game? I don't know if that's good or bad. or You could could frame as he gets to sit for eleven. Maybe but he's on a roll right now and the caps are winning their last three heading into this by week and this all star break and the you know the caps. It's interesting because then I mentioned this a few times now And had a job on the show last week on the radio. Show you'll it'd be on the radio show not this yes. The captured seventy one points best record in hockey but in their division the penguins have sixty seven points points and they are playing so well their goal differentials better than the caps at plus thirty five. The penguins are excellent right now in the cap still have four games over their final thirty three of the regular season against Pittsburgh so those games more likely than not are going to determine who ends up if they play h other who ends up having home-ice advantage in that series. I mean they're in a division with the islanders. They just beat the islanders of sixty one points. Columbus is one five games in a row. Oh they've got sixty points. You're talking about a loaded east in general with Boston and now if you haven't been paying attention one of the most disappointing disappointing teams up until just a few weeks ago where the Tampa Bay lightning. It was almost like they were still you know in a coma toast after getting swept in the first round is the number one seed last year in the last basically month. They've won a twelve of fourteen games. They did did have a ten game winning streak. They've been on a roll and now they're right back where I think a lot of people thought they would be before the season. How about that for some hockey talk? Today let's talk some college basketball from over the weekend. We'll start with Maryland. So after the loss to Wisconsin man you know in Aaron. You're sort of in this group. You're in the group of people that just doesn't think tergence very good that he's not a good coach that they can do better that that that last part yes I. It's not so much. I don't think he's a good coach. I just think they can do better. Okay well you might be right. I mean you could probably say that about Ninety Ninety percent of the coaching jobs in America that you can you probably could you better you know. I do think we live in a day and age now where it's not. Hey you get rid of him and you're GonNa have the choice of a lot of people got so many of these. Really good coaches coaches just stayed and they just leverage these openings for more money it's it's it's a careful what you wish for situations. Sometimes I think Maryland look. I don't care what anybody else's I know in Maryland is from a coaching community Standpoint it's eight top ten to top fifteen job in America job. I didn't say program. Those two things are different. Okay exclusive of one another the Maryland. Basketball job is top fifteen job worst worst case it's probably closer to ten than it is fifteen in terms of where it is as a program. It's more like a top twenty program top twenty-five program the job though because of a lot of things the tradition history the on campus incredible arena the recruiting area that you have in in DC and Baltimore in your backyard. The League that it's in all of those things when you put it altogether make it a top ten to top fifteen job it. Is You know anybody that wants to debate me on this. I'm just going to tell you right now. It's not worthy of a debate. You're wrong ask any coach in America where they would put the Maryland job. If it opened up it would be no worse than a top fifteen job program Ram right now to top twenty top twenty five programs that Farren you know somewhere in that area. Yeah you know I mean it's you know right now. Whatever whatever I mean you can debate that if you want to on the program? So that's different. They haven't been into the sweet sixteen but one time during the mark turgeon region era so in many ways that sort of defines that they're barely atop twenty program. We talked the other day. I said there they'll bounce back. They're gonNA play games in what you think. They're really good. They're going to play some games where you think they're bad. I'll tell you one thing in turgeon emphasizes this. I wish he wouldn't emphasize it as much because it sounds defensive to me at times but he's under siege right now. He's feeling it. He actually got really upset with some of the reporters on Friday. Marcus who's the longtime reporters. I watched it on Youtube. Was it done that. He was upset. I'm pretty well with the other person. Not sure who the other one was. But I know embarked a little bit during this presser. Is the this informal. Press thing that they do the day before a game on the court at Xfinity Center. It's always available on Youtube. I watch it a lot and he was upset at some of the questions that were asked because they were sort of leading questions. Sion's in negative questions. There are negative questions but I didn't think they were out of line at all. I I didn't I didn't either but you can tell that he's feeling the heat last week week. Not being able to get the ball. inbounds against Wisconsin. He's feeling some heat. Okay he feeling it and trust me they. He's such could dude great wife great family. They feel it. I said this many times. He's coached in places where it didn't matter before he got here. And the the level of St the level of scrutiny is not something he was used to. He's used to it now but I think he always looks at it and says my God. Do you know how many games we've one. It's not that though we know it's not it's it's March this March sport art you gotTa do better in March period but anyway I think he's a good coach. I don't think he's an elite coach will need to have the conversation that we've had had it twice last week. I think he's a good coach and I knew that they would be prepared on Saturday. And they were. and they had a terrific first-half they had a sixteen point lead. They played very good defense. He's A. He's an excellent defensive coach. You know anybody that knows anything about basketball. You know watch how well they play you know first of all. He's played more zone this year in the last couple couple years in the ever used to mixes defence is much better but he's a really good coach of man to man defense man. Do they play team defense and they communicate very very well and they scout exceptionally well on a defensive standpoint. This is something. He is very good at all right. You can talk about the turnovers in the not getting the ball inbounds in some of the offense that you think is disorganized and not right which isn't always the case just so you know. Oh but he's an excellent defensive coach in there always well coached defensively and they were so good in the first half thirty six to twenty at halftime. And here's a big difference. Difference on Saturday men and dockage set it on the broadcast. Maybe it was dock at your maybe with somebody else who said it had halftime or after the game Maryland's one of those teams were if they shoot shoot the ball well and they will. Oh I you know where I heard it. I heard it from Matt Painter. After the Game Matt Painter said after the game the purdue coach the thing about Maryland is there three three point. Shooting percentage for the year is not reflective of how good they can be a three point shooting team. They've got better shooters than their percentage indicates and he said when they shoot it. They're really difficult to beat. Because of how good they are defensively. And that's why Maryland you can't bail on them. They have the potential to beat anybody. They can put it together. They've got talent you know. I'd like to see him. Keep file like when when the lead got cut to you. No three five in the second half eventually cut to three fifty three to fifty one of the things I kept thinking is do not hesitate on taking the open threes. They had made any in the second hand. tweeted that out at one point. Yeah but they were running g decent offense. They're running decent offense. They were getting looks and you know they didn't knock down the killer three there they made a couple of big defensive stops in particular sticks was outstanding defense again. I mean a lot of times did not get the help decided not to give them the help any he defended. Williams is and door are harm straight up. And by the way this trivia on Williams this six foot nine six ten inch two hundred seventy five pounder sophomore off more for purdue star in the making star and sticks did a great job ended up with four blocked shots in the game ten Rebounds Bounds Eighteen points and he is right now more than anybody the guy that when he's open from three on that pick and pop I feel best about him shooting. Yeah he was. It's two for five from long range. And they they knocked down. Wiggins made a couple of threes early off making some threes against Wisconsin. Keep in mind about Marilyn right now. Okay for all. We want to say about how painful. That loss was to Wisconsin. And how ugly. It was against Iowa in their last six games now. They've won four of dumb and they've played well in five of them. That's just. They played well at Wisconsin. You may not like fifty four points. It's it's Wisconsin. This is what people do against Wisconsin. I mean the Michigan State beat Wisconsin. Last last week was sixty seven points. Okay but more times than not. That's the nature of the game with these teams in the big ten and the big ten is frigging crazy. Did we talk about this at the bracket that already put out the other day has twelve of the fourteen big ten teams in the field at this point rutgers one again yesterday. They're in second place in the big ten rectors Maryland has to play them twice. I'm GonNa tell you right now. They are not beating rutgers twice the splitting with rutgers curse. Hopefully rutgers has talent and they pike was doing a great job there Illinois one again over the weekend to right. I think they're five and two in the big ten They beat northwestern. Maryland's got a big game tomorrow night. It's northwestern on the road and it's the one team on the road this year that people need to be it really is the big ten is is so good. Top to bottom in the only bad team in the league is northwestern and they were really close at Illinois the other day really close. So it's a game Maryland. GotTa go win tomorrow night if they don't get a win at North West. You're a different conversation on Wednesday by the way really quick about rutgers the AP polls not quite out yet. It looks like it could be the first time. Records ranks since seventy eight seventy nine. Wow Yeah do you. You know rutgers was in the final four in nineteen seventy six okay. The the year Indiana one. It was the year that records I believe. Am I right about that. Holand rutgers was in the final four in nineteen seventy six. Yes I was right about that. Okay good rutgers played in the final four in nineteen seventy six. They played Michigan. Lost in the final. Four Indiana beat. UCLA in the final four game and then Indiana completed the last perfect season which was nineteen seventy six with a twenty point. Win Win over Michigan in the final on that particular year. P- On that team in nineteen seventy six on that rutgers team in nineteen seventy any six Eddie Jordan and he averaged fourteen points per game For Rutgers Eddie. Jordan was on that rutgers team Andy Jordan the former wizards coach. If you're wondering which Eddie Jordan I was talking about. Eddie Jordan. The former Wizards coach Wears Eddie Jordan. Right now I think he's still living in the area. I ran into him once like last year. I think it was. He's such a good dude too but he coaching anywhere anywhere. I don't thanks right now. Last I can see yeah. He was at rutgers. No nothing nothing right now. He was an assistant here. It is he was an assistant in Charlotte Charlotte twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen so. He's not coaching this year. Is we're sure about that. I'm not one hundred percent but I do not see him. List says he's retired. Yeah says he's currently retired. Yeah Eddie Jordan anyway. Yeah Really Really Good College Basketball Player and played in the final all four. I'm at rutgers team after After growing up in DC and attending Carol Archbishop Carroll. which was you know one of the all-time I'm great? Highschool basketball teams long before any Jordan though played there Lastly Georgetown lost over the weekend. Marcus Howard went for forty two against Marcus. Marcus Howard just Maryland. Hold him to nothing. Dare Marcel the most shocking season D.. Darrell Darrell Morsel. Was Awesome that day but seriously the whole what did they hold them to three points three points that day that he scored very little. I mean it because he is. He's the nation's best score that I've seen. He's he's leading the League in scoring points per game. I believe he's not getting the nation in scoring. Yes yeah he's leading the League. Did I say like I met leading twenty eight point two points per yeah. He's second in the odds for the wooden award and against Maryland Maryland held him six points his low by far for this year. That's one for twelve against the turps in that Orlando Tournament In his La- his last how about this. How how about just his last Eight Games twenty six points thirty two points thirty twenty nine thirty nine twenty seven thirty five and forty two. He's unbeliev he's had A fifty one point game in this year had that against southern cal. That was in Orlando The day before they played Maryland and he had a forty point game against Davidson also in that tournament this year So Georgia Loses Georgetown. Still in good shape that that would have been a really good win for the Hoyas. Marquette's good Marquette's potential tournament team a big stretch for Georgetown coming up. They've got Xavier and Butler In their next to they still have Butler twice. I believe The HOYAS DO I think that's it. Oh the one of the things going to mention from this weekend is Cincinnati. The bengals apparently have made it very clear that they are going to use the number one pick. They're not going to trade it. I mean there's a lot of time between now and then if they give offer they'll that they'll trade it but I just the more you think about it. Can you imagine if they don't take Joe Borough. No it's stupid. They're gonNA TAKE JOE BOROUGH I. It doesn't matter. Chase young is evaluated at a higher level because they don't take Joe Borough if they love to him. Yes arse which I don't see happening but if you tell me that that's what ends up happening. That tool is one hundred percent healthy and people you know for what he tests well. Well he's at shows up at the combine shows up everything. Well okay. Maybe that's the only way last thought on the show. Andy Reid Has a chance to win a super bowl. I think his career is hall of fame. Already but you know. He's one of those coaches that has always sort of gotten himself. You know remember how slow they were playing down to scores in the one super bowl and so many clock management timeout management. He's one he's been one of the worst at this year were day. We Talk Eh. Having clock manage I mean he has been one of the worst at this over the years. But God he's a damn good football coach offensively creative But also Oh. How fortunate for him is it that he got Patrick Mahomes now? He recognized mahomes and traded up to take mahomes with Alex Smith as his quarterback. You know no one was projecting. Patrick mahomes that I you know. At least the public wasn't and he traded up and he took him and Patrick Mahomes is going to is he's got a really good chance of a great quarterback delivering a Super Bowl title to him but just think about his playoff losses in Kansas City alone. They blew thirty eight ten and lead in the second half in a wildcard game at Indianapolis loss game forty five to forty four. Then they lost those games at Arrowhead you know. They made a two point conversion that got call all back for holding late. Nah An eighteen to sixteen loss to the steelers. They had a twenty one three lead against Tennessee and Marcus Mariota in the wildcard round and then lost that game. Twenty two to twenty one courtesy primarily of Derrick Henry In that game in that second half I am you know I'm not one of these. People that are really really wanted. Andy Reid to get back to back Super Bowl and win it but I do like Andy Reid. He's so well liked in the profession He's a damn good coach. He he really is a hall of fame coach even if he loses a super bowl but to get back for another chance. It took Patrick Mahomes. And that's the there's a there. There are many ways to win in the NFL. The forty niners did it with a running game in defense. The chiefs did it with unbelievable speed at the wide receiver and playmaking spots on offense and a great rate may be one of the most talented and gifted quarterbacks. We've seen in a long long time. There's so many ways to do it but man when you have the chance on the quarterback when you have the chance that's still pretty much the one thing that guarantees that you're going to have a chance if you've got an elite quarterback doc more than anything else in elite defense doesn't guarantee you anything. An elite running game doesn't guarantee you anything in elite quarterback pretty much guarantees. Not You're going to have several swings at it in the postseason. and that's something that everybody's GonNa have to think about at the beginning of this twenty twenty April draft especially if there are if there's a quarterback or to to what that gets evaluated in the same way the Patrick Mahomes gets evaluated. I can't imagine any of them. ARE GONNA be Patrick. Mahomes he spectacular. I don't know that I've seen a better extend the play offs schedule Quarterback than Patrick Mahomes. All right that's it for today back tomorrow with Tommy.

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09/10/2021 - HOUR 3 - Headlines

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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09/10/2021 - HOUR 3 - Headlines

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It live every day on the iheartradio app by searching heard. You're listening to fox. Sports radio sunday on fox. The nfl is back with a huge double header. First jalen hurts leads. Eagles against the falcons than in america's game of the week aaron rodgers leads the pack against alvin kamara. And the saints. It all kicks off at one eastern on fox and the fox sports app check local listings for the game in your area terry bradshaw getting away. A million bucks on the free to play fox but super six apps can the code below. Download the app and predict the outcome of six games for your shot to win colin help. Everyone wins harry's money. Give us your winner and margin of victory for a packers saint. I think it's going to be right on the line. That's why i didn't make it a blazing five pick. I think it's twenty eight twenty four green bay lines about four four and a half i again. I think green bay is the better team but you know there is some unknowns here. You don't know jameis. Winston tastes him hill. You don't you don't know what you until you know it. So i think new orleans going to have a little mystery. They're not quite sure. i do. Not think the saints have the the receiving targets right now with michael. Thomas saint have one of the worst receiving unit right now in the league and he's back until week seven yeah and emmanuel sanders. A very dependable smart veteran always gets open. Jared cooks gone. They lost a lot of brain power and that wide receiver tight end room like a lot so i think they're gonna scrap this year but i think like one. I think a lot of dogs. We're going to have some upset this week. Just what upset. Sage rosenfels played twelve years in the nfl. He played for sabin. Dan quinn robert sala kyle. Shanahan matt leflore jason garrett. Tom coughlin when you're in any industry especially the nfl for twelve years you know your way around the corners and say Joining us the iowa state alum bay host iowa this weekend. Let's start with this. How does the quarterback. I want to go to that before we get to the weekend. The pass interference. Call the no call. Sage on chris. Godwin my theory is always been the later it gets in the game. Let athletes compete. I don't like but as a quarterback. What did you make in the no call. I think there's a big difference between this. No call and that call with the rams and there was a couple years ago where it was completely blatant. I mean this is surpa. Bang bang play. Could have been asner shir but i like what you're saying at the end of the fog game. Let's let the players decided on the field I'd rather have a player. A little bit overly aggressive Illit two hansie with the receiver at the end of the game and not throw the flag. So i'm not big into into the. Nfl officials deciding the outcome of a game row. The end and it was a great throw is a good route small. Push off there but to not big enough to throw the fly of apple. well you once Tied in nfl record with four td passes in the fourth against the titans. A you had big quarters for sure. Brady i watch him. Throw the football and it still looks. It's got a lot of zip. It's his hips the torque when you watch him i. I went to youtube last night. I can't tell forty four from thirty four year old tom. Can you actually looks better. If you recall nolan ryan was a great pitcher lead throw credence hard in his or his at the end of his career. And tom's the same way. When i played i wasn't giving a ton of you know throwing technique instruction college during the pro game and that has changed over the last probably ten years for more guys or being offseason work with guys were really good at the mechanics of throwing and when i throw now i can throw better now than i did when i was thirty. Four and still. And i'm forty three years old so instead about nine years when i go out and throw these kids high school kids missile iii throat better now than it before. Why because the the mechanics. Because i understand my body better in. Tom's mechanics are so good. I try to teach kids as much as possible to throw light. Brady if you watch as you set the torque shoulder turn the ball in the arms really just a wit and the ball is sort of the end of the wet. And he's not really throwing with his arm with this with his body in a lot of that is that shoulder turn and you can tell he's really work on mechanics. It's gotten better and better and his accuracy is insanely good. He just hasn't mysterio so okay. So we have a bunch of rookie coaches. So let's take the jets play the panthers robert solid. You know robert sala. So i'm a jets fan. Were a rebuild. Were not very good offensively. If i'm a jets fan. What am i gonna get with robert solid. You know him. What is he going to deliver. I think he's not gonna beat around the bush. I think he's going to be a you straight shooting type a head coach. He's a defensive guy So he's going to do whatever he can play grinded out. Football i do. Love is higher in michael floor. Matla flurries younger brother. He's one of those. I didn't play with that. I think he's gonna be a really good offense coordinator odyssey's young he brings that packers. Forty niners rams offense to new york and for me personally in my twelve years. Bad offense was the easiest to learn but also the one that gave me the best possibility to ask success. I love that higher. I think with. Zach wilson a young quarterback who's a ton of talent but he really fits that mold of quarterback who could run around and do bootlegs due to play action. I think it's a perfect fit for that offense. So i think they've got a ways to go and they need more players. Maybe obviously have a great defense there scheme. The actual players themselves usually make a great defense So i think they've got a ways to go but i think they're gonna love. I think new york is gonna love. Robert sala head coach. You see the way. He wears his emotions on the sleeves. Players love playing form. An hour really knew him as defensive quality control so he was a really young guy but is often guy. I love talk to robert sala wherever it got the so. Listen there have been a lot of mystery with kyle shanahan and garoppolo and trae lance. Listen it it's hard you played. I talked to a coach about you about a month ago. And he said you know. Sage was better than anybody gave him credit for. And you and i know each other and you got into football late and didn't have great high school coaching. And you were just a really good athlete and you stuck around the league. Smart guy for twelve years kyle. Shanahan is very good for quarterbacks but like the elephant in the room. Is jimmy not going to be around long. Does it your twelve years in this league. I watched them in the preseason sage and he had a bad series and the next series he really struggled and i thought he's had injuries. They drafted his replacement. Kyle took the ball out of his hands a year ago. Where do you think garoppolo is mentally in your years in the league. When you're no you're going to get replaced. If you have a bad sunday potentially well we've seen this before. And we've seen quarterbacks of fail played poorly miss situation. But we've also seen quarterbacks played great like raised their level of play tour. They've never been there before we saw with drew. Brees drafted with philip rivers. Yeah where really raised Foreign twelve the previous year makes sense. draft rivers. Your drew wasn't a big strong guy with a big arm. They saw that and still love me. Saw him as a future. Breeze goes out and has at that point. The best year of his career makes those decisions really really hard to solve. Of course farther aaron rodgers too so i am hoping that jimmy garoppolo lights elector fire in his stomach that you know. He goes out and competes in place. The best for off History and if he does do that even though they drafted his replacement if he plays the best football his career in that forty niners team can stay healthy. You gotta think they're one of the two or three In in the nfc. How shot at taking out the tampa. Bay buccaneers That's a really good football team. We all know it. Your last year was sort of a fluke type year with the craziness of big state. Stay healthy in jimmy. Complain really good for all. That team can be really. You know it's aaron rodgers smart and he's outspoken. And there's more than one way to be star quarterback in this league. Brady tends to be a little more apolitical russell. Wilson's mr optimism errands. Go tell you what he thinks. i do. Wonder they have a really tough schedule october. November it is just playoff team after playoff team. And i do wonder if you have a little resentment or if you had a problem with a coach or resentment can you compartmentalize it. Because i've said with aaron i know he'll be good early. I look at the schedule. But i do wonder if going to game losing streak. I do wonder can you resentments. One of things sage. If you have it doesn't disappear. Can you see green band. Aaron this year getting a little ugly if they struggle. It's all about winning losing. We know that it's all about winning. Loosen if you win football games and you're playing wealth or seven one. All the teams problems go away. All the off the field issues issues between players all issues between players and coaches. Everyone pretty much gets along when you're win it but if you start losing as you said you lose two in a row you lose three zero your midseason. You're at five hundred. You're you're hoping to get maybe a first round bye. That looks like it's out the window. Bats all those iraqi relationships usually surface. And so i think green bay met matt leflore. Maybe one of the easiest guys get along risks in the national code played for. He's extremely easy to use. Not an alpha male Obviously he's the head coach season charge but he's not a power play guy. He's just not the way he is. And so you know it's been an interesting offseason. Cutoff seasons In green bay. But i see them in a good. I don't see them going on with three or four game losing streak. I don't think the nfc north is great. Chicago is going to be okay. You know of course in in minnesota okay'd always with kirk cousins are always eight nate nine and seven for all you and of course there's detroit so i do see. Green bay is one of those teams with san francisco with tampa asking to be right there at the end. I gotta think that that ship will will stay headed forward and probably because you know matlock fluish consistent type of attitude and i've been hearing all along really well finally to and not named captain only quarterback in the league that started significant games and isn't captain i said yesterday not everything feels like something. The players vote on it sage. It's something united some research on this and a couple of things one. The players had to put their name into the box. If they even wanted to be a captain for one. I have no idea to act to. It looks like they gave the captain hat to a lot of veterans on the football team. It's i actually like it. We always talk about quarterbacks prima donnas. They're divas everything goes through away. They've been star since high school get treated differently. I like the fact that he's still being treated like a young guy because he is a young guy. He hasn't proven all that much. I know you'd love to have your quarterback to the the leader of the football team but that football team has a whole bunch of veterans on it is of like at a young guy earn stripes and he's not just given. That seon is chess. That sees really really important to the fifty three guys on the roster of the coaches. It's an important thing. And i'm sure he's worker. I'm sure guys get long. I'm sure he does. All things happen. Should do but he's still a young player. And i love to have a cap has been through. All types of situations has been to the playoffs as those tight ball games for years years years to count on those guys. I i think to has done is a very very good leader. I've only her good things about him. Whether it's the pros whether as of alabama. I don't think it has to do with whether he's likeable or not good stuff. Sage iowa states are favored over iowa. Bad news i was going to upset you guys. I feel terrible telling you that. I really do her good game. We will see what happens. I tell you what game day names the sixty one thousand five hundred gets jack trice stadium but they'll be about one hundred twenty thousand people in the parking lot or the game. The state fair was a couple weeks ago. This is the second state fair in our state. I think it's a great celebration of the state of iowa. It's pretty cool on. The midwest is now a lot of schools now last states that have two big schools. Kansas kansas state michigan michigan state but minnesota one big school wisconsin one school missouri one big school illinois when the school in the end up good schools but we are one of those states that we have a really good rivalry of two different conferences and should be a heck of a ballgame instead. Really this the one thing that matt campbell hasn't done as beat the university of iowa and has neither state fan state. I'm hoping this is the year great stuff. 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The big podcast shack and they think that simmons has no one to blame but himself for the issues. Charles said when you give someone two hundred million dribble a stupid basketball and the only thing you asked him to be as better as a player in their first response. I don't wanna be here anymore. That disappoints me as a player and disappoints me as a fan and shack file with. Don't be putting pictures on instagram of your ferrario at actresses. You're hanging out with when you play for talent philadelphia boston. La miami king towns. They don't give a bleep about none of that. Come work hard and play hard. Well he has at times appeared indifferent to coaching. Which is a hard thing to me. That i can. I can deal with almost anything. I always told you. There's a jay cutler thing here with him. There's an indifference thing and it's like dude. You're like we're paying you like as much as anybody in the world like come on. I think young players are assumptions and projections on them are generally can be a little unfair because we haven't seen much of them. You know a lot of people thought lamelo ball was going to come into the league and be disaster and he was the opposite of that. So when you're someone of ben simmons stature and you're being paid what he's being paid obviously for a reason. I do think you have a bit of a responsibility to to if you're not living up to that to have some awareness about it the situation with the sixers here because there's just this this idea that we just need to keep like blundering through and we're just going to keep doing it until we got it right like since i'm situations that's fair right. This is not one of those situations and the fact that it's deteriorated to the level that it has. I think there's blame on both sides like you knew that this was headed in that direction. You as an organization have to see beyond that you have to understand that you're going to take a hit. Initially from the fans sang. it just didn't work. And what did you get for him. And who won the trade and all of that but in the end it might benefit. Not only you would. Also ben in a different situation. Maybe this isn't a good situation for him. I don't like the money. Parkers like look your payment. You're paid this. Nba players make it. Sounds like a lot of money because it is a lot of money but that's nba players make isn't the defender. It's just i couldn't. I don't understand how this is going to play out this real simple. I can't pay that much. For ben simmons money game. I can't do it. There's too many good players in the league. I can pay for i. I can't pay for that. Plus we're getting about eight ten new guys a year that comply mean there's the global game now so the talents coming in from everywhere. I look at his money. And i look at his game again. Well this this. This past season did not help him at all. So the cowboys fell for the bucks last night. Thirty one twenty nine season opener a great game but despite losing dak prescott has a message for the super bowl champs when he left the field. I told everybody would see him again And that's just the the confidence that i have in this group And the expectations are half is This is a playoff team. That's going to make a big push this year and we've got a Continue to get better. We'll make a step from tonight We'll get we'll find a way to get better tomorrow. And that's the process we're gonna stick to it and We've got a. We've got a good team and goodman and yeah. I'm excited about you know your season. You're not going to get there with those special teams though boy. Do they have to clean that up. That was a mess. Massey on both sides. I just like the return coverage like three excellent kick offer today dead but it was messy on both sides last night. The difference is tampa bay. As tom brady. And they're super bowl champs and they look at the end of the game yes but the tampa plenty of turnovers to go around and i think the biggest takeaway from last night is one dak. Looks fine fine. Which is great news for. Everyone is definitely concerned. I wanted to see how he looks. He looks fine. Mike parsons is good. Mike parsons is good. Which which he looked like he was going to be getting the preseason and he is he was clearly the right choice for them. They needed someone like that on their defense. And so he's got so there's good takeaways take now if you are going to be productive cowboys yes. The interesting part is and you said this earlier if you're a great team and you win badly. You're disappointed if your team you have questions about and you lose but you lose close close then you come away feeling a little more calm and it was a bit of a moral victory for the cowboys last night. But i don't think that's a bad thing like they were underdogs game for reason they were actually extreme underdogs up to nine nine point. I said i said yesterday on the show. I stayed away from it but at nine you had to take the cowboys. Yeah i mean better. You had to take the cowboys at nine. It's too many points. Yes so if you look at it from that standpoint that was a good game for dallas last night even though it was a loss i agree. I think that. I think the cowboys are gonna win this division. I liked what i saw from them last night. Obviously it was messy but it's the first game of the season it was messy on both sides got a little bit of a drop issue although. He's a tremendously talented player. Chris godwin stop fumbling and cdrom stop dropping. Yeah i mean chris. He did have a helmet in the he didn't have a great night and dropped the touchdown pass. I mean he made up for it later. They one. I'm sure he's hearing about it right now. So robert saleh's said he was going to have an all gas no breaks mentality when he became the jets head coach and linebackers c. J. moseley acknowledged his new head. Coach definitely stands behind that august. Breath said when he came here He he told us when we kind of practice with. We're kind of working everything. Be fast and efficient and no. He hasn't demand anything less than players. Or coaches or anybody. That's that's in the jets building. He's definitely hyper real quick But he's the person you want to be. He has an energy that no the brings people closer to the that makes you want to go to extra mile for him for your teammates and for your family. So that's that's that's what you want to see here coach by the way a cj moseley's excellent but he hasn't played much since they paid him two years at injuries when cj moseley's healthy. He's an unbelievable linebacker. He is a huge talent. He's he's he'll be a huge part because they got major injuries upfront. Cj mostly probably the key their defense this year. If we can stay healthy you know. I don't know what to expect from robert salad. But i've only ever heard great things about him. He only ever gets good reviews from anyone that has anything to say about him. He feels like he has the potential to be a brian. Flora's type obviously a little more expressive than than coach. Laura's can be but listen. Here's has lots overcome in that situation. I think they are in a good situation that they have their rookie quarterback and their rookie coach at the same time. Which i like when teams do that. Start over really start over and build. And they're opening the season against the panthers and panther favored by four and a half. So there you go jammed darnold and the jets joined the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard. Lie predictions here. They come with. Jason mcintyre tomorrow's headlines today be sure to catch live editions of the heard weekdays at noon eastern not. 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You follow the gambling lot. We've been doing this. I know you're laughing but if you look at what happens on thursday they opened the limits of you can bet more. The line starts to plummet. Carolina was five. It's down to three and a half a lot of influential money coming in on my jets and listen. I took the over here. There's gonna be a lot of points. We know the jets defense. Starting two or three rookies. They'll be suspect injuries. Not great defensively. Either this to me feels like thirty. Twenty-seven i'm just telling you zach wilson if you watch what he did it. Byu with the play action. He was utterly dominant. And what does the flu a run. Heavy play action from the shanahan system colin. They're going to have success. People are going to be surprised. This is a different jets team. Don't look at adam gays and last year. This is a new regime joys excited as the dolphins fan tell you the jets are coming folks. They will win this game against carolina book colin tomorrow's headlines today headline for steelers at the bills yet so it's interesting the Lines kind of inflated here for buffalo big number six and a half the headline. We'll be big ben. Delivers big upset agree. I ben rothlisberger. I just this is another situation with a new offense coordinator in pittsburgh. I know they were awful last year to end the season. But i think we both agree. That's not totally who they are. They're not the eleven team that they started last year. But they're not the dumpster. Fire that got destroyed by cleveland at home. And everybody's gassing josh allen in buffalo and just look the trenches folks. There are some questions for buffalo. Pittsburgh has four new offensive. Lineman this will be closed. I took the six and a half points. I think you're with me. And but i think they pull the upset outright similar to what we saw last night with dallas in tampa tomorrow's headlines today. here's a good one cleveland. The what's the headline. Oh boy the browns over fifteen in one in their last sixteen season openers then lied we'll be baker's brownies get burned. Sorry baker mayfield. Listen i like we both liked the browns. it's another division is. He's just a tough spot. I'm sure you've trumpeted the andy reid. Numbers right sixteen or no in the month of september the last four years. Okay patrick mahomes. Colin thirty two touchdowns zero picks in september there. They come out of the gate on fire. I like kansas city to win. I have a feeling this could be close colin. This will be one seven or eight. New defenders in the rotate is my my big concern. Cleveland's gonna be fine in six weeks. I think this is the worst opening. Assignment for team was seven new star against the ravens last year. They got their doors blown off. I bet the browns. That one didn't work out. But i think cleveland could keep it close. But i'm not betting. Don't step in front of the andy retrain in week one. Just be careful. I think that's fair. Tomorrow's headlines today packers at the saints. I stayed away from this one. Yeah i don't. I keep hearing you talk about the saints in your love for jameis winston and sean payton the headline. We'll be packers win. Not in jeopardy done. Ah did there. I don't see what everybody seeing the saints colin. What is it. Is it a five new starters on defense is it none of your receivers in your tight end. That that's an issue date. They have their only way to win is low scoring bay of no firepower on the perm column. Both their defensive tackles. I believe her out for this one. And it's just everything. I look at for the saints as people. Just keep saying. Oh yeah they were. Top tenants offense defense special teams last year. Have you looked guys at what historically happens. When food hall of fame quarterback leaves look at the numbers every dropped off four or five wins the following year and i know drew brees was not amazing last year but when was the last time jameis winston was good. Just tell me two years ago. What he had like. Six pick sixes. It was awful in tampa. So i'm not a believer. I think the packers run away with this. But a lot of people who are smart seemed to like the saints colin. I don't know what they see. I haven't finishing third the saints in their division tomorrow's headlines today i stayed away from this one too. I can't wait dolphins at the patriots. I mean listen. I don't want to say i put my kids college tuition on one of these teams bought. I might have. My wife is now watching right now. The headline will be to era. Almost finished you know. Just before i came on you were talking about not being named captain. I don't see how that can't be just a lack of confidence in him. I mean all they do in the front office is. Can we get to shawn watson. Should we pull to put a ryan fitzpatrick like they have not really given any messaging has not been confident into reminder. This is his third offense coordinator in three years. I just i don't see it. We're talking about bill belichick. Okay folks bill. Belichick season openers. He's utterly dominant. I just feel like in the trenches on both sides. New england is better. You're at home to on the road. I think it's going to be a packed house right in new england. Oh she's an open to willfuller suspended. I don't see any discernible advantage joy. I'm sure is trending to jump in and crush me. I don't see it. I feel like the new england. Patriots will here and just when mack jones good you probably twenty four twenty four to fifty in a score. When he's good and to it does not look good. We're going to be hearing some things it's gonna. Let's do one college one okay. Tomorrow's headlines today oregon to the puck is a state. Yeah you're very good college games last week. I mean listen. This one is tough because it's a huge bread. Ohio state double digits the headline. we'll be buckeyes. Go duck hunting. I know this is a marquis games supposed to say. Nice things about oregon. Colin ohio state is a juggernaut. Okay they did not even play well last week and they still had winning at minnesota against that staff. That's a nice win. Yeah let's let's remember. They had four plays from scrimmage fifty yards or more teams barely get that in a season and now they go home and listen the last time. Ohio state lost to arinc team at home. I believe baker mayfield. A few years ago memory planted the flag. Listen this kid anthony brown. He's not baker mayfield oregon. Just not have the horses. I think ohio state. It's forty to forty five points. I took the over here. They're gonna put it on oregon here. I i liked ducks this year. I know i work with jetta hearts. They have not been under. 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The QB Scho Show #49: Championship Game & Senior Bowl Prep

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The QB Scho Show #49: Championship Game & Senior Bowl Prep

"Well on into a QB SCO showed this episode road forty nine brought to you by the five poke espy nation and bleeding green nation. I'm your host. Michael Kissed Bother me on twitter at Michael Kissed and fell as always joined by quarterback one one in my heart he is Mark Mayfield mark. We are getting prepped. Four senior bowl week next week so we have to make sure that our livers are right. We've got our vitamin EDMUND B. We were all packed up ready to go mark. I'm ready. How about you brother? I'm ready brother I. It's always a bit of a mixed bag going down and we'll because you do it and it's fun and it's great at your body doesn't recover for like a week and I'm a man. I'm forty three now and so the trip gets tougher and tougher each year. But it's always a blast so as a blast being with you and doing a show whether it's here or for mobile and we're going to get to the historical reference and it's one that we didn't do last week is remember dear listeners gentle listeners we came on live we were in hot. We had offense coordinator candidates to talk about one who's now going to Carolina. May Joe Brady now rest in peace. He's as it goes to the Carolina Panthers we didn't get to do a historical reference and believe it or not it prompted. Perhaps my favorite sweet ever move from Kayla Frederickson so longtime listener the show who tweeted at us. She's at K.. Freddie thirty one at a restaurant listen to my boyfriend. The met that Mark Scofield and Michael Kissed. I didn't talk about the battle of canal which is just an incredible tweet at so I think we owe it not just a Kayla mature boyfriend to talk about the battle Canadia which is where I was going to go last week and I don't want to dwell on it too long. I know you've got some stuff to talk about well by will quickly just by touching upon the battle of midway into into sixteen BC and Hannibal's victory over the Romans and to set the stage with us. We need to quickly outline the Roman approach in this battle based on what took place in their previous to meet with the Carthaginians Army. Armie Rome entered Canadian. Look into attack through the middle and then split the Carthaginians forces and then overwhelm them with their superior numbers and perhaps anticipating this Hannibal. Hannibal assembled his forces to use this to his advantage. He assembled his men at a crescent shape ball. John Ford with the very center form and a blunt point behind which the remaining units ranged outward it behind the winds of this convex formation looked to failings of Libyan. Infantry is were Hannibal's finest now sport in Roman arms and armor captured from the enemy dead five-thousand-strong each anchored a whole lot and as the battle waged enraged on the center of the punic crescent fell back before the punishment presence of the advance in Roman enforces. But this is what Hannibal wanted by. Four Shenice line outward to begin with he had ensured that the Roman infantry will be pulled into the Carthaginians forces as they fell back Hannibal able had intended to use the Romans momentum against him and it was working Rita now from outnumbered by Cormac O'Brien which hold up for the listeners on news channel eight once Hannibal's Hannibal's retreating center rallied and turned on its embattled pursuers. The Roman Army so close to eighty thousand strong found itself hemmed from nearly every direction. Hannibal Hannibal maybe wealth hope for this outcome. But the completeness of his triumph was probably beyond even it's wildest dreams he still had a huge enemy to subdue enrollments were not in the habit of laying down their weapons and times of moral crisis quite to the contrary in fact this partially explains what followed a drought exhausted horror. Show of slaughter between two foes lows you launched. Its embraced the idea of war without quarter. Spite Hannibal's penchant for taking allied prisoners and treated them well in the interest of breaking ties with Rome. The fear of had gone onto far to permit restraint the Libyan their thrust and failings is the Gaelic in Spanish infantry with a tribal war bands and has drew's pounded horsemen all killed their way to the centre intricate legionnaires fighting desperately thousand separate melees whose participants were incapable of comprehending the totality of the calamity closing in on them. And I want to close as with this from Livia Roman historian who wrote about the dead. Some they found line with their thighs and knees gashed but still alive. These bared their throats next next and bad them trained at blood. They still had left some they discovered with the heads buried in the earth. They had evidently suffocated themselves but making holes in the ground and and heap in the soil over their faces just absolutely chilling. And it's reminiscent of how I felt watching the New England patriots crush their season away. I I had just read through. That part in. Carthage must be destroyed by miles. It's interesting the reason that there were two consuls. There they switched as and one was more progressive than the other one was because the temporary dictator Fabius also known as the layer. He had been Embarrassed a couple years before where they were trying to set this ambush Bush for Hannibal. They have these guys on this hill. This this higher position what not in Hannibal learns of this. And so what he does is he knows. He's GONNA get ambushed. She we know that the trapped and so on and so forth he takes these two thousand cattle that he had captured any attaches branding irons to them and he ushers them up this hill to the Roman Roman fortification where it's at night and all day here is two thousand cattle with these branding. Irons sounding like They avoid the ambush that way Fabius's embarrassed and then they go back to electing their consuls as they normally would so. That was nice little tidbit that I didn't know about before him before reading that book. So I'm glad you're you're getting too. I think biggest battle a battle Caen to pronounce whatever it is read up on it gentle listeners. A highly recommended here from the key. So show mark all right so the awesome battle of Kaneko knee historical reference out of the way. I said news that is going to be covered more in depth on. BG On radio coming out tomorrow morning. The Eagles coaching staff has been poached. And we're not mad about it as defensive backs coach Corey Unlim- has taken the defensive coordinator position with the Detroit. Lions in a move that nobody saw coming but was heavily celebrated on the timeline online had a great resume before coming to Philadelphia but the results when it comes to player development have definitely not lived up to the height so we'll see what the eagles due to replace him. Outside of that you may have heard on the Cuba Scotia emergency show last week about the micro and Carson Waltz canning canning that I wanted. LSU passing game coordinator. Joe Brady in Philadelphia helped to Redo and rebuild that passing game from the ground up and make one of the best offenses. This is of all time in college. Football turns out as mark already alluded to he is headed to the NFL. But not in the manner. I was hoping For as the Carolina Panthers have brought him aboard I I think a big determining factor for Brady was not only the money which is always nice but also he's been given a chance to pick his staff from out rule which is something that Philadelphia was likely not able all to offer with guys like do Staley and just outlined on board so the search for the Eagles offense coordinator continues of course if we hear anything on our side we'll have you covered Glean Grenada Dot Com. And on this as well so make sure that you've already smashed as subscribe button to get all the content as it drops also follow at BG and underscore radio on twitter in other news. Me and Benjamin Sollac have been at the shrine game practices this week. Ben Noticed that former Eagle car borrowing was there hang around with eagles. Vp Yeah player personnel. Andy ytl which could suggest that he's going to be taking some sort of role with the Eagles Front office. Also during the practices themselves a quick scouting note for me. You and me and Ben will likely talk about this later in the week but I came there with an eye towards Boise state wide receiver. John Hightower who has an intriguing skill set. I'll tell you this. Everything looked great before where the ball got there. He was getting open it will. He has a real juice and explosiveness to his game looks to be a threat with the ball in his hands but at one point he had something like three straight drops. That's a bit of a turn turn off But still important if he rebounds throughout the week and then at the game as well I know Dan Burglar of the athletic had top one hundred big board coming into this week so watch out for him. I'm in the shrine game on Saturday because he'll get some opportunities and if the installs told me anything he'll probably get a chance at a reverse. So you'll see how he operates in space all right mark Any thoughts on the the Brady hiring before we start to talk about some of these These playoff matchups. Wha- what do you think he can bring to Carolina do you think it was the determining factor actor Pram like. Hey I can punch my ticket. Whoever I like right now I want to pick my own staff kind of deal now? I probably think so. And what's going to be interesting to see is if you you look at. LSU's offense and I'm not an expert. Seth Galena our mutual friend could probably do it much better than about try. But they're passing game was basically a lot of west coast stuff as you might expect. Give his his background with the New Orleans saints some simplified running concepts and both zone and the gap in power scheme games at so it certainly worked it was almost revolutionary innocence atlas you Lsu. Now you're thinking destination for quarterbacks you wouldn't have said that's a five three two years ago but now it certainly seems that way with the often say installed but how effective is it going to be at the next level. You know it's one thing when you see in new and different stuff and a new approach working on the college game might not work in the NFC self. So we'll see how that plays out. But I am curious to see what they do at the quarterback position right because they have a decision to make draft side. What they're GONNA do Cam Newton to bring them back to the not bring them back? Do they draft a quarterback. This class Matt rule has said he liked will greer obviously coached against them in the big twelve. So you wonder if they're gonNA try to ride with will greer do the draft if somebody in his group so we'll be curious how that plays out but I do think the determining factor for Brady was. I can write my ticket now. I got my own staff the people that I wanNA play around with the people that I trust trust. People know what we're GonNa do we all the same direction. I'm sure he's overjoyed at the thought of working with a Christian McCaffrey you can imagine. No pitcher Alvin Kamara. What what he's been in New Orleans? You're truly going to see that. Even though Christian McCaffrey put up incredible numbers this year by stock at him. Now if you can sort of fantasy hennessy terms because he should be in a good position to succeed next year in this offense yeah I agree and it is interesting to see if the LSU offense will in fact translate to the NFL. I mean there's there's a ton of slot phase that they are running venables is bringing blitzes and they had one on one. And you can. You can run at tennis Lotfi. When you have a quarterback that can throw it's leverage like Joe Borough can burrow obviously going to be the number one check to we talk about borough for a minute is? He's so cool under pressure. His pocket management is is awareness. His touch like a people are GonNa Complain About Him. Not having a huge arm but like there's not a throw that he really can't make any makes up for it with accuracy placement touch all of those things. He's incredible I don't do comps. I hate combat it calms but if you if you watch that national championship game and don't come away thinking that he could be an athletic brady. Then we're watching different games. I need you see the placement. Like the he missed some throws a met game shore but for the most part placement is one of his calling. Cards is a quarterback. You Watch film you watch them on tape. You see like incredible credible ball placement but the pocket movement for whether it's with athleticism and really sort of extended or if it's just the little subtle shifted and moving in the pocket that's incredible. You WanNa talk about footwork. Watch him run an RPO play where he has to open left and then throw back to the right to the laughing. Blake to see him. Flip the feet. Derek Clawson. Who covers quarterbacks does really good work for Rhode Awards other places he was doing a job? Ro thread I believe it was Tuesday on twitter and basically said he's always ready to throw his feet are always ready to throw at it so accurate. He is always in a throw in position whether he's statuesque in the pocket opening up on an RPO type design or even moving around the pocket where he's going to run for his life. He is always ready ready to throw at one final note on him. The swag the audience the Moss. Whatever you WANNA call it man like the kid has it? Yeah and the image and the gift of Ham with the Cigar with a big Dick Joe had in his lap just given the little nod to somebody off camera. I mean I'm getting goosebumps. Just just pitcher that you're not just talking about it. He's like Nemeth. I mean he's like Nemeth and Brady and roads Joe Cool of the twenty first century. Really Cincy don't ruin this kid please. Don't ruin this kid because he could be special. I think also don't trade back with the panthers don't fall for it. Don't Oh no don't fall for Michael Mico said this. Yesterday we have three or four months of Carolina trade up rumors ahead of ourselves. Yeah and it's GonNa that'd be miserable and it's GonNa be infuriated so just know that they're coming and put him out of your mind because if you're Cincinnati you. Somebody's next fifteen. First round picks six stadium naming rights. I born the the law of surprises. Like throw it all into the package because that's what you need to get out of one and give up the rights to draft you you borrow- in a so. We're going to follow those rumors as they are sure to happen. Kim One hundred percent as we go through this draft process before we get to more draft talk. I wanted to talk about some of these playoff quarterbacks quarterbacks I think I'll frame it this way for your mark so you got packers forty niners you got titans chief. So you've got Aaron Rodgers against Jimmy Jimmy Garoppolo you've got why will said Marcus Mariota. With how sad was that him going back to the locker room trying for bike. That was awful sold. It's like that Simpson's moment. When barks like showing Lisa would Ralph's heartbreaker like look? If if you pause it gives you the exact moment of his heart breaks off so Ryan Tannehill Tannehill against Patrick Mahomes will start with the NFC. Who's playing the best ball right now? Between Aaron Rodgers and Jimmy G. because eras had kind of an up and down season installing new offense as we thought there would be some struggles early on they never figured out. I thought Leflore was absolutely fire against the Seattle seahawks and his game plan. Rogers had one of his best games of of the season. But Jimmy D has been doing his thing all season and shut up all the doubters about things playing the best ball right now. I think Rogers had the better game last week. I think Zayd Garoppolo has had the more consistent season. Yeah you know and I think that's a fair way to put it and it was interesting. I was on radio on radio every Wednesday night out brisk Vancouver British Columbia and I was asked to sort of a similar question of we by AMIC Rogers and a wall. I said at the time before this game it feels almost sacrilegious to say but no I wasn't going in because they had been inconsistent assistant whether you want to go as far say that in the most fraudulent thirteen and three team in history. I don't go that far. But Rogers had is up and down moments but he had you know a vintage Aaron Rodgers type performance like you said matlock floor was fantastic that little fake rub slant to Davante Adams a slanted go. That's just nasty man. That's just unfair that I mean. That was a beautifully crafted. Clay Rogers had sort of one of his vintage performances. He's going to need another one because look that forty dollars defense. They you could get after you know I. I wrote a piece for pro football weekly. I don't know if it's up yet but broke down off of their sacks when their previous meet him back in week twelve and they were doing it with four. They were doing it but five they're doing it blitz. They used one of those rain. blitzes where they mugged a gaps and Rogers rettig ray blitz for those that don't know you put both linebackers occurs in the air gap and both are tasked with blitzen. But they've read the center and if the Senate turns to you you pop out and look for the hot at if the center turns away from you. That's when you blessed. And so they did that and the guy that popped out I think it was warner was either water greenlaw. They got under the hot route from Jimmy. Graham Rogers read it looked looked at it. GRANDMAS are looking for the ball and he ran out of time it so Robert Soleil. That defense has an answer for what Rogers has shown so far this season and they will pressure him they will frustrate him. I don't know San Francisco. San Francisco Loses. Game is what I'm trying to say. Is I think that this defense defense for the forty niners is playing well and to Garoppolo. I mean tell me if you disagree. Here is being good on his plate. Good enough you know. He's been consistent. He's played good enough that defense. It's I think they'll be okay and they'll win this one and finding their way to Miami. I think I have more trust in the forty niners to number one scheme appreciate a hand. You know you know he's going to be great the a defense. I think they just had the stronger team that the actors are going to need like. You said another fantastic performance at Rogers. Has It really strong these together throughout the season. So that's where I have some of my concerns. We'll see when the bright lights come on in showtime the NFC championship game which one prevails. But I think and put my money on the forty niners. What about the The AFC we've got Ryan Tannehill Hill. And Patrick Mahomes. I mean Ryan Tannehill. Hasn't had to do a whole lot because the defenses but the offense in a position to succeed the running game has been fantastic when it comes to closing closing games out when Tanny all has had to make some throws though he's been able to make those throws and I think he's been very underrated this season. I think people that have been knocking. You know different metrics that that rate tannehill in highly just haven't seen tannehill and that's a product of the titans not having any primetime games this year people haven't had a lot of exposure to tannehill and he really hasn't had a lot of exposure to Tena Hill in the playoffs playoffs because he hasn't had to throw much now if he has to. We'll see what he can do against the defense. But I think Patrick Mahomes show the world that Hey I'm still Patrick mahomes buddy After going down. Twenty four to nothing to the Texans and leading a comeback beal fifty one to circuit run which is just absolutely insane. The Guy Played on his head unconscious. which is what do you think about these two quarterbacks amount and how they match up I mean look if Ryan Tannehill can beat Brady Lamar and Mahal on the road like it's? It's hard to imagine a tougher murderers row of quarterbacks and different quarterbacks right and maybe this is more to the Tennessee titans have done defensively pensively but if they can sort of pull that off that that would be the stuff of legends. It's hard to imagine though I mean as good as Tennessee has been playing. They've now been in the playoffs. Since thanksgiving given basically and so at some point it starts to wear on you a bit and Mahomes is magical. I mean you would have thought a twenty four nothing that team could impact it in and it looks like it was going away from them but you saw him alms on the sideline you shop staying upbeat. That team can score in a blink of an eye and they did dad against the Texans on Sunday. Their defense is planned well too and there was a fascinating play. I forget who put it out. It might have been South Kaiser. Who covers the? She's the athletic. I think it was put out a tweet of Tire Matthew show and blitz drop it under the first hot read. Get it over to watch a second raid and taken that away edlund chasing him out of bounds all on the same play. It's incredible and so this chiefs defense despite giving up some points early and part of the more turnovers and things like that. That defense is playing. Well we know what the offense can do. They can score points in bunches and where Baltimore when the Mara Struggle. That offense couldn't piece it together. Brady and that offense. They couldn't score. Kids city is going to score. You know at Tennessee is a bill to win a shootout Tennessee really grind this game enough. I don't think so not this one. What about you? Yeah I'm kind of I think back to a college Game the Ohio State Wisconsin game where Jim Leonard. The defensive coordinator air for the badgers coached up up. Beauty in the first half. Wisconsin has a lead twenty one to seven but you go into halftime and I was thinking to myself. There's no way as good as your scheme is and I think Dean Pees Defensive Coordinator for the Titans is supremely underrated not talked by the national media. I think is fantastic. But there's going to come a point where Ohio state's going to score. There is going to come a point where Kansas City is going to score. You can only hold them for so long long. So Wisconsin went in twenty one to seven and they let the game at thirty four to twenty one with a high of stayed on top. I feel like this game could have a similar arc. No no state. No lead has been safe in these playoffs. Really except for the packers wanted even that was in doubt at the end. But I could see that definitely because there's only so much you can do to slow down mahomes there's right and unless you're converting all the time unless you're running game is absolutely bumping and you win. The time of possession battle like forty five to fifteen. It still might not be enough. The Kansas City is yeah we saw this last year that regular season game and even the playoff game between the Patriots and the chiefs those teams who scored like twenty eight points combined. You like five minutes at the end of both of those games stuff happened in the blink of an eye like I remember the regular season gave the Patriots took the lead. And then the very next play eighty yard touchdown around and it's like they can score from anywhere on the field the other point out. What a bill? Brian say this week they felt like they needed to get thirty five to win. Right now begs the question. Why you're kicking? You feel goals early when he did. But putting that aside for a second. Tennessee built to put up thirty five. Not I don't think they are and if O'Brien's right about that which I think Nikki is Makes it hard to see. Tennessee witnessed one. That's a good point. Yeah I got Kansas City in this one but it would be crazy to see cry at Tannehill. Take down to top up to three top tier quarterbacks in the NFL. A ratchet this yeah you get titans packers super bowl that it tannehill goes brady. Lamar mahomes rogers like like like. That's the ultimate like bad guy level right. Yeah that's what you see like all the with the boss man. It's David and Goliath. Just the various various giants older. It over and over again. Bright Danielle all right. So when we come back we're GONNA talk about some of these senior bowl quarterbacks. That would be watching live in mobile next week. That's coming up next here on the QB's go show. I'm Songwriter Charlie. 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Ah Lots of other choices. We would have liked ahead of him. So maybe that you got shot at Gardner mentioned for example was the guy that we pound the table for they. Can we see that. He was a heck of a lot better than if he slayed. Nick foles so what else do you want So let's take a look at the yearbook. quarterbacks kind of what the League is going to be looking for them obviously the big name right now is Justin. Herbert out of Oregon jalen hurts us at an interesting college career. But I'm not sold on him as has as a pro quarterback one guy that we don't like but we're hearing that a certain team wants him invited and that's why they're Patterson for Michigan Eagles. Stay away way I think. That's I Clayton Thorson. Yeah for this year But a lot of different names first off. What are these coaching staffs looking from quarterbacks back at the senior bowl because it said that you cannot hurt yourself during the week? You can only help yourself. Is that true yeah. I think that's enlarge true. I mean part of what will be able to see stuff they're looking for. They want us to get better over the week. That Wanna see them adapt to sort of coach and they wanna see them. No learn some of the concepts that will be new for a lot of these guys. Take for example Anthony Gordon in Washington state. Who by the way I absolutely love? Because he's part insane and I said this on twitter justice mosquitoes get our good friend. Justo put out a tweet while I've thought about it a lot. You know we're seeing guys like mahomes and Watson and others in the League right now. The grew up idolizing farve. And we're going to be blessed awesome. Great and fun quarterback play as a result. The guys grow idolizes Montana like Brady and others in Rivers. They're phasing out of the League. You know the board safe ball control type stuff now. Now we're getting kids that WANNA be mahomes and there's a great play that I put on the time of Anthony Gordon. Try to throw a wide-open cross around in the middle of the field with nobody to look off at he tries to know. Look at and misses by Ted feet right at. It's funny it's hilarious. But he does this he when you watch him you will come away thinking this kid wants to be mahomes and and sometimes it works and so he's a lot of fun but he's never taken a staff from under center you know he's worked with sage rosenfels right now on doing things like that so they're gonna WanNa see these guys. I sort of adapt to more of an NFL style of play. You know they're gonNA WANNA see. Can they make some reads one. The defenses are going to be showing them different looks than they song Song College. You know a lot of these guys you know. They're seeing you know it's cover to cover three some matched up some cover seven bracket and cutting things like that. But they're not spending it. They're really showing you what it is and they stay in it now you're gonna see rotated coverage that you're gonNA see spun safeties and it's GonNa be new. How quickly can they pick stuff up like like that up? How quickly can they sort of speed up their processing speed as a result the two guys that I think people will be the most excited to see Justin Harbor Jordan love? Yup I mean these are guys that have absolute cannons for an arm. I mean Herbert's throw and back shoulder throws forty fifty yards downfield. I mean love's GonNa Absolute Hose as well jalen hurts is interesting A lot of people WANNA say oh. He's the next Lamar. He's not like they have completely different styles of play. They're completely different runners. They're completely different from passers and throwers. I think Lamar was a much more advanced pocket. Passer than Jaylen hearts is right now but hurts does a nice deep ball He can do some things that I think are nice. And he's certainly developmental style quarterback. Then you know I like Anthony Gordon Allott and so those four guys. I'm really excited to see that. He gets shape Patterson. He's a a quarterback. And then you get Steven one from Colorado. And he's an interesting prospect. That was well d three developmental type. That's the six right now. You were in a bit of a holding pattern I think this is going to crystallize over the next twenty four hours. It does seem like boroughs. Not GonNa go right. You know that you nagy wants him there you know. Oh the bengals want him there but he was telling Part of my part of my take while he was hunting over of course. Why wouldn't he be that you know? He tore or cartilage muscle or tourist rib cartilage late in the first half of that game against Clemson. I doubt he's GonNa go right. He's probably just going back to California because because let's face it the kids one he doesn't have to them right now and so you wonder if do they sit with six. Do they go to eight some names if they do decide to go to aid and enjo borough is at one of them. I'd say Brian The worke From Michigan State might be named to get into makes nate Stanley who I have a bit of a soft spot for. I think the kid slim ed I know he would be in the mix as well is our boy Cole. Has He graduated. Oh that's A. That's a good point because he did declare an even. If you're layered on under slash you've graduated you can go to the senior bowl at up if that's the case. And you don't get borough I would love to see Cole McDonald There Be Funny Matt. I mean Matt. Why don't they just call you because you did about a two hour? podcast with Matt Waldman this exactly right. That's exactly right. Did just do it to our podcast with Matt Waldman you know what's funny. Uh It's come full circle with coal bit because remember the summer our mutual friend Bryce Rossler. He was one of many on the train. We were there both as well all right behind Bryce. I'm not throwing completely under the bus because I'm throwing myself and you under there wouldn't but we liked coal and then people got off the train because he struggled a bit people are right circle. Back on Colbert on. I've seen more and more takes time on the past couple of days like this call McDonald Guy is pretty good. I've had some bears fans in the DM's uh-huh we know what bears fans all right now emotionally speaking and mentally speaking there. They've had a bit of a fall and winter. But they're asking me about coal McDonald ed. So there's there's a chance this kid could go to mobile get invited and sneak his way into early day three. He really kinda saved two season. Because I mean he ends up with thirty three touchdowns four interceptors interceptions and he had thrown what. Let's see. There's five eight nine fifty. He threw nine interceptions in the first four games and then after that it only had five more throughout the rest of the season he got better as the season wore on. But that starts at nine game start. That's what everybody was like rats fleeing the ship it was like no. I'm not gonNA work. Mad First. Game was four and four like that just a so that gave all roller coaster. It was an absolute roller coaster. It I was like man. This guy is great. Oh my God he threw a pick. Oh he's fantastic all he just threw another pick all over the place. So that's what I saw takes the tablet. Well maybe we shouldn't have anointed him. As is the next best quarterback. It's like nobody did that. Except for bryce right exactly I except for Bryce but the season with in the last three games he had seven touchdowns one interception Kevin Ends. The season was a sixty three point. Eight completion percentage. You really kind of turn things around towards the end of the season there. And then he's got his His Boya Rollo is coming towards in Washington State which soda. That's that's that's going to be It's going to be real five plus Mike Leach an SEC. Does I think there's a chance Cole all graduate transfers to do that which we do that getting now he's already declared Kenny resend. It like this. I think it's one of those things like as long as you don't hire an agent you rights do. I wonder if they if they've entertained that idea at all I want. I really wondered what the Draft Advisory Board told Cole about his draft grade to make him come out okay and if it's strong enough to where he would be like Maybe I should go back. Maybe I get a call from Rollo and we start. We go over to one year. The PAC twelve L. Planet gets better competition plan to manageable time zone for us on the East Coast. More exposure. Yeah more exposure. It could help them. I mean now it look we know. Trevor Lawrence is going to be one you know or at least potentially. QB One justin fields. Perhaps but to coming out like you could probably benefit if it from year. I don't know something to think about. Yeah I still WANNA see him in mobile though if I seem in mobile this I I. I'm talking to ask them about the sniper photo or oh I also got to talk to the kid there. I think there's a linebacker there. His name is Hammill car. which is yes? Hannibal's dad he doesn't know I read the story on it. He says he doesn't know where the name comes from. Apparently it's like a family name that they use a bunch of like do. Let me talk to this cat because book for the kid right exactly but you know how he pronounces Hamaoka which is a choice which is interesting thing. But we're GONNA talk about that mobile. We'll talk about that about the mark any closing the gentle listeners. Before we get out of you know just follow onto hijinks. Both Michael and I will be down in mobile. It's always a blast takes the time line. We'll hopefully do a show for mobile if not while you'll probably figure out why we did it and we'll just throw that out there but it's it's always great to catch up with people from the time line. It's always great to have your time. Line play out in real life advocates elsewhere and so it's so fun time but it's a business trip we will be doing work down there. We'll have some takes for you at some point here on the QB SCO show and everywhere else. You can see Mike about this love and love these four so that's going to do it for for the QB Scotia officer forty nine. Oh good time. We'll catch you next week in Mobile

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RTEM #160: Week 8 Bets

Even Money

32:09 min | 3 years ago

RTEM #160: Week 8 Bets

"If you'd like to make your NFL games a little more. Interesting. You've come to the right place, even money podcast with Russ Tucker and Steve Becic. Yeah, Vegas baby Vegas. It is even money podcast, and I am a good mood and happy. Even though Stephen, I got smoke last week because we have another opportunity to bounce back and we need to. And if you need to find a place to place your bets, it's bet on line dot AG. It's the promo code podcast one, and you get a fifty percent sign up bonus to day, but online dot AG your online sportsbook experts. He is the only two time winner of the Super Bowl of professional football, gambling, St., fezzet at fezzet sports on Twitter? I am. I think one of the only former NFL players that actually talks betting. Lines each and every week and gives you my perspective on the games at Ross, Tucker, NFL, Twitter and Instagram. If you're a Facebook person, it's Facebook dot com. Slash Ross Tucker, NFL. And if you like to actually go to the games, it's all about the Seekie gap. That's what's cool. Obviously, if you listen to this podcast, like my dad and from northwestern shout for him for he and his wife being so awesome across the pond in London, if you like to place wagers you're listening, but a lot of you like Adam did for that chargers, titans game like to go to the games as well. The seek apple is the way to do it. You have to use the seacat because no matter what game or concert or show they're going to aggregate multiple ticket sites, put them all together into one, so you can price shop compare and pick what's best for you. That's awesome to we check it out for everything. We actually take it out my wife and I just see what else might be around in the area that we're not even thinking about. Didn't even hear about just download the key cap, enter promo code even money today. That's promo code even money for twenty dollars off your first seatgeek purchase. Scekic life's event. We have the tickets and we have to go over what happened last week, our mistakes, even if it will be all that pleasant. All right, Steve. Let's start with our first game last week and our first best bet we both put a unit on air Zona at home because they've been playing very competitive. They lost forty five, ten. So that ended up being what you would say, a bad choice total no show by the cardinals that Steve you and I did not see coming. Yeah. And I think it's time to evaluate AirAsia for what they are along with buffalo just completely anemic on offense. And I don't think it's going to change. We didn't do anything with Tennessee away or Tampa Bay Cleveland. Thankfully, I put two units on the Carolina Panthers getting four and a half points which was looking awful, Steve. They were down seventeen. Nothing really should have been twenty. Nothing eagles kicker missed, like thirty six yard kick. And then they came all the way back in a great win for the Panthers, a great win for me getting those two units and a brutal brutal loss for the eagles. I still think the eagles are going to be fine. I like what I see out of Wentz I don't like the secondary obviously for the eagles. But I think that by the time the season ends, I still think eagles going to win the division. Yeah, I think it be between them and the Redskins Redskins are playing pretty solid. We'll get to that. I leaned New England for the patriots and bears wish I had gone more than just leaning. You put two units on the bears. They lost thirty eight thirty one. Steven. Really it was special teams that killed you. I mean kickoff return for touchdown and a blocked punt for a touchdown. You can't take that into account when you're handicapping it game or expect that if they want. I I won the turnover battle with the bears, though I'm not gonna say the bears where the right side concerns about the bears defense that got absolutely punked in Miami and now problems with New England. Maybe it's not the elite de we expected. I put a unit on the bills and you lean that way. Wow. They were a no show as well. I don't know why put a unit on them. I can't even remember why I did that. I knew they were going to lose that game. I just thought, I guess that they could keep it close Houston at Jacksonville, Steve, I don't think I'd ever put three units on a game before you put two units on it. We both felt great about, I mean great about it and they got destroyed by the Houston Texans, that was a that and the bills winning in Minnesota. I'm not kidding. We're like my two biggest surprise of the whole season so far. I really felt confident the Jaguars we're going to take to the Texans. That was a stunner, Steve? Yeah. Homerun spot for Jacksonville, a good team of back-back while I lost his well correction, not a good team because Blake Bortles can't play quarterback. Lick and Walker room meltdowns, and it'll be interesting to see what the Jaguars chemistry is going to be the rest of the year. Then you get to New Orleans and Baltimore. It was another best bet we both put unit on the ravens laying two and a half points, and we might have had a shot and overtime, Steve, Justin Tucker makes the extra point. We might have had a shot in overtime, but we lost that one as well. Cowboys Redskins I put a unit on the under forty one and a half. Thankfully that came through for me because we needed it yet. Another best bet. How about this one? How freaking this one, the Bangor and the chiefs. Over unders fifty eight and a half the chiefs score forty five points and the over dozen hit forty, five points for the chiefs and the Bengals couldn't even get us fourteen measly points to get the over that one. I'm legitimately mad at the Bengals in the Jaguars. Yeah, Bengals in primetime they win less than twenty five percent of time. And Andy, Dalton is a big part of it, and he was in no show again in a primetime game. Awful, absolutely awful. So then you keep it going. We also had another best bet where we both liked the Niners at home, getting ten points against the Rams two more units there, and the Niners got obliterated. Our faith in them was not rewarded. The Rams were that good and the Niners no showed on us. So the final tally Steve was ugly, really, really ugly. We had one of those weeks. I was down seven units. You were down ten unit, Steve. You talk about how there's always going to be one of those weeks. You never know when it's going to be for the season. Now you are down to units, and I am down eight units. We're both in the red, Steve, I, I'm sad. I'm sad for our listeners. Yep. And I've been warning to listeners anyone who's been following us. It's done nothing but win the last couple of years going into this year and it's difficult to pick winners when you're gambling on the NFL. And we've had some really good selections that we've run good and obviously not a good selections last week and we ran bad, and that can happen. It's it's certainly out there and I want to warn everyone don't think that just because we had this horrible week that we're going to necessarily bounce back and have a great week. The memory list property hits basically meaning the however we did last week really does not have any impact on how many winners we're going to pick this week. We're also nine of twenty two now on our best pet. So I was really money last year. You were money. You were good and our best pets were incredible. This year now does much. Let's hope. We can have a bounce back effort. Let's do it right. I think we are going to have a bounce back effort this week. Let's start it off Ross Thursday night football as we always do. It's the Houston Texans at home lane seven and a half points to the Miami Dolphins with a total of forty four and a half points. So I know the dolphins were not real good on Sunday against the lions. And I know that they had the put Albert Wilson on I are. And so maybe I'll regret this, but a couple of things jump out to me here. Number one, forty four and a half seems like a lot for Texans team that can't score, but they do have a good defense. I don't think that this game gets to forty four and a half. Plus I also think the dolphins are good enough that they'll at least keep it closed. The Texans don't really blow anybody out unless Blake Bortles fumbling all over the place. So I'm putting two units on the dolphins and two unit. On the under forty four and a half, and we're kicking off this week. We a in a major way getting four units back tomorrow night. Well, I do think the Texans are going to win the game. I know us wiler has played well. I don't think it will necessarily continue worried about the dolphins back to back games in the Miami Heat's and now a Thursday game. I'm gonna do it to team six point NFL teaser and I'm gonna take the Texans instead of my seven half take them to mice one and a half with the six points. I'll couple up with the Pittsburgh Steelers down from minus eight to minus two. So I got a win both to win and I'll risk to win two units on the two team teaser. I've proposition bet as well. Watson, obviously, Bruce chess bruised lung has not been running the ball as well. I thought his rush yards prop came up at twenty seven yards for this game. I'm gonna go under twenty seven yards. Watson rush yards. Two units on that as well. Living on the Sunday, Steve. Let's start off in London Jaguars and eagles eagles favored by three with a total of forty one and a half. Yes, and I'm gonna put two units on the eagles minus three. Now the underlying steps for the two teams does not support this play the Jaguars year to date have better stats, but I'm saying, continued improvement in the quarterback play for the eagles. Remember they started with bowls for two weeks. He was bad, so they rushed Wentz back. He wasn't very good. The first couple of weeks he's been improving each and every week and the Jaguars. I know they're underlying stats are good, but I think the team chemistry is horrendous. Last week was the week to rally. There's going to be a mutiny with Blake Bortles at quarterback again eagles my three two units. What do you think Steve about the fact that the Jaguars play in London every year, the eagles have never done it. The Jaguars Bortles plays well, every you over there. I was there last year. They destroyed the Baltimore Ravens. Are you factoring that in and all? I am aware of it, but I think that the underlying team chemistry is so poor right now. I don't think it's time to be flying to one to that that's going to help, but you're right. Jacksonville is a master at a. They have mastered that London trip, but I frankly have a lot of competence in the eagles and their analytics team and their advanced team to do a travel schedule that will maximize chance to win. Yeah, I'm gonna go the other way. I'm gonna put one unit on the Jaguars just because of the London thing, and they're getting points and the eagles. Some just not right there so far this year. So I'll take the points and I'll take the Jags only one unit though. Ross Cleveland at Pittsburgh. We already got Steve's pick on Pittsburgh your turn, though, minus eight and a half at at home against the Cleveland Browns fifty one, the total explain your pick their against eve. It's called a teaser. And what happened is instead of picking one game, you have to have two games in your teaser. You get six extra points on the line. And so I took the Houston Texans instead of my seven down to minus one and a half. The second leg of the teaser is Pittsburgh Steelers down from minus eight to two and basic strategy. Advance teaser play. Usually only wanna tease in the NFL and you wanna tease through that corridor three through seven. So often teams win by either three or seven points. Okay. So who do you have any gaming in? I have the Pittsburg Steelers at minus two in this game provided the Houston. Texans cover the first leg of the teaser, mice, one and a half. Got it. Okay. So I'll take a more torn on this one. I think the Steelers are going to win the game, and I wouldn't be surprised as yours win the game by decent amount coming off the bye playing at home. I just strongly dislike laying eight and a half points in the NFL that just that's hard for me yet. I think it's going to happen. So I'm going to give this healers one unit laying the eight and a half Ross next up, Denver at Kansas City Chiefs lane ten, the Broncos fifty, five total. Well, this another one, I think the teacher going to blow out the Broncos. I don't think the Broncos are very good. I think they just played well against the cardinals after von Miller, say what he did, and I think the chiefs will probably blow them out like they blew out the Bengals especially since they're at home, but I'm not gonna lay ten, eight and a half is already stretch for me. Ten is tends to much. I'll just lean. In Kansas City, but passed the game. I'm gonna pass the game as well. The fact that Denver gave that game away. The first time they played means that it's more likely Denver might hang around. Denver had won that game. I would look to the, but I'm gonna pass. Steve next up jets at the Chicago Bears and bears lane seven totals forty five and a half. I don't like anything. I saw from the jets against the Vikings last week, and I wonder darnold is starting to wear down a little bit. He certainly seems capable and fine when he throws the ball twenty times when he has to throw at forty times all kinds of problems, and they might have to throw them anytime. 'cause they are big underdog. I'm gonna pass the game. I'm with you on that as well. I think the bears probably win the game. I think they probably win the game by about a touchdown. I don't really see any value here on either side of the line, and it's tough to touch the total with, you know, Sandra being up and down as a quarterback, the bears defense, frankly, being up and down. I'm just gonna pass this one. I guess I would lean jets getting the seven, but it's not a very strong, lean Ross Washington minus one at the New York Giants with a total of forty two. So this this line puzzles me and here we are Steve. The giants are playing on a short week after playing Monday night, they've traded apple, they've traded Daymond snacks. Harrison did either one of those moves make any blip on the line at all. None whatsoever. The watch. I take that back line was giants, mice one. So we mall correction in the line. Well, minus one. Well, I like the Redskins win the game. I won't even be surprised if they win by double digits. I think the giants are in a bad way and the Redskins have some amendment going right now. I like the Redskins quite a bit and I'm gonna go to units on the Redskins lay in the one point. I think they win this game. Maybe even going away. Don't want any part of the giants who are basically jettisoning the on the season, getting rid of two defensive players, but I don't like the Redskins at all either they're four and two. They easily could be two and four to fortunate wins the last two weeks home. So I am going to look over the total for strongly and just because I, the underlying numbers for the giants say eventually they're gonna start scoring in the red zone, and I do think the defense is going to get worse. So lean to the over forty two. Steve, Seattle Seahawks at the Detroit Lions lions lane three forty, nine and a half total. What is Detroit Lions with a running game now with carry on Johnson coming over that has made all the difference now that Stafford had their rushing attack. Lions are legit, but Seattle's in the good spot office, solid win in London. Off of a buy week, teams always get a bump off the bye week. I made the game three. I gotta pass the game. It's three. I'll lean over the forty nine and a half. Yeah, I don't really see much here other than both teams have been running the ball pretty effectively. And so I wonder if it you said you're leaning over Steve. I'm gonna go the other way. I'm gonna put one unit on the under. Both these teams really want to run the rock and I don't know that they get to forty nine and a half. I think the line is about right on the lion. Probably win this one by about a fuel goal. Something like twenty four twenty one twenty three twenty. So one unit on the under forty nine and a half for me Ross. The Tampa Bay bucks at the Cincinnati Bengals Cincinnati lane four and a half, and our total, and this one is fifty four. I just don't know what to expect from the Bengals. Now I I had some trust in them. I had some faith in them, but the way they played against the chiefs, I expect them to come back and play. Well, I think they'll beat the bucks, but the books defense played better now that they have a new defensive coordinator and the bucks have enough firepower they can stay with the Bengals. So I wouldn't be surprised at the Bengals only win this one by about. Field goal, I'd probably lean Cincinnati, but not much of a lean passing the game. I thought I would lean with the Bengals on a real good spot amounts back home. But then I take a look at the lying stats and the Bengals defensive stats have really gone downhill mostly because I got tortured by Kansas City. So statistically there a below average team, a lot of their wins, look and more and more suspect. The fortunate when at Indy, the fortunate win at Atlanta and the win against Miami. Those aren't exactly playoff team. So I'm just gonna pass this game. All right, Steve, Baltimore lane, two at the Carolina Panthers forty three and a half. You know, I really liked this Baltimore team. I know they lost last week. They let me down, but I do think that was very high played game. I was walking possibly to play Baltimore, but I didn't think Baltimore was gonna come the favourite, and they are indeed the favorite in this game. And I can't lay to against Carolina team. That's playing better. I'm gonna pass. Dude, I am surprised that the ravens are favored in this game on the road and Carolina that that surprises me. And I know Carolina's gotten behind the last two games and the ravens are pretty salad bunch, especially on defense, but I'm putting a unit on Carolina. I mean, home underdog, pretty solid team. Maybe I'm wrong, but I like the way Cam Newton's playing, especially in the fourth quarter that game gimme one unit on Carolina, getting those two points next up Ross. It's Indianapolis and they're favored by three at the Oakland. Raiders total is fifty hard to believe. I'm doing this, but I'm putting two units on the colts. I just think that the raiders are in disarray. Now they trade Amari Cooper and I don't think that today. Anything that line, maybe me if I'm wrong St., but I don't care. I'm still taking the colts. I like Frank Reich, the old lines playing better. They ran. Better with moral and MAC. And I think the raiders I don't know what they'll do after a by, but no, marshawn Lynch, no Amari Cooper, these reports coming out about Derek Carr, two units on the colts on the road, laying three. I don't know what the big deal with car is. I know I cried after I lost some of my games last weekend. So what's the big deal the? Yeah, the raiders they actually were favored on the look headline by minus one and a half, and now is raiders plus three. My power ratings still say the raiders have value and the spots good off of a by team embarrassed. But Ross you, it was laid out all the reasons why you want no part of this Oakland team right now. I'll pass. Steve, San Francisco at Arras Zona cardinals favored by one of the total of forty three. Yeah, and the cardinals should not be favored. I'm gonna take the forty Niners for two units here. This is a game, Aaron, Jona one just a couple of weeks ago. Twenty eight eighteen absent Francisco, but Arizona was plus five and turnovers. They were beyond fortunate to get that win the Niners. Yes, they played terribly against the Rams, but most certainly they are much better team than Arizona who cannot move the ball at all. I will take the forty Niners two units. I'm kinda with you. I think the cardinals are in a bad way and I think the night, I mean, they both got destroyed, but I have more faith in the Niners and frankly, a lot more faith in that coaching staff, we'll see Byron left which takes over as the offensive coordinator, maybe that will help the cardinals, but there's all kinds of trade rumors going on with Patrick Peterson and stuff and Zona. I don't feel like that's a good place to be right now. I'll do two units on the Niners getting a point as well. Xtop Ross. It is the Green Bay Packers at the LA Rams and the Rams favored by nine points total of fifty. Seven. I think that was our first best bet. I would not sure is. It was so ram's Packers. The ram side is probably the better side to be on. I just can't nine points to give Aaron Rodgers. Seems like a lot. I mean, I just feel like I should have some faith in him to be able to keep them close. I just don't really see how the Packers are going to be able to slow down the Rams. The Packers couldn't slow down the Niners. So I actually like a unit on the over fifty seven because I think Rodgers will find a way to score but so will the Rams. In fact, I'm gonna put two units on the over fifty seven. There's gotta be a lot of points in that one. Yeah, I'm gonna pass the game. The Rams are just the juggernaut. Don't wanna step in front of them, but it's a good spot for the Packers off the bye Aaron Rodgers should get a backdoor touchdown with the Packers trailing, but I'll have Steve Sunday night. Football has the saints at the Minnesota Vikings Vikings minus one total. Fifty three. Yeah, I think you gotta go ahead and take a shot with the Vikings here. I know it's like game of the year revenge for New Orleans for what happened in the dome. But I don't have these teams very far apart and Minnesota's defense playing better. They get their edge rusher back. And I could see this coming down to just awesome Minnesota field advantage in a very close game. And also I don't think the spots very good for the saints that just played at a quality team Baltimore stole a game there. And now they gotta go to another quality team, Minnesota Vikings win Vikings too. You know. I would tend to agree with you Sunday night football. They're getting Everson Griffen back. That place will be rock in the Vikings are kind of on a roll. Now after the last couple of weeks, I think the saints got beat up pretty good there by the Baltimore Ravens. So I'm with you. Let's do two units as well on the Vikings going to win that game. Well, let's finish it off Monday night football, the New England, Patriots. Favored by two touchdowns fourteen points at the Buffalo Bills forty four and a half total. I'll be there Steve. I'm gonna be on the sideline. Thankfully hopefully it won't be too cold yet this time of year, there's no hope at all for the bills to win this game. I guess the question is, will the patriots beat them bad enough that they win by fourteen? I'm gonna say they probably will. I mean Monday night football game, everybody's watching. I just don't have faith in the bills really scoring any points. The patriots always find a way score points, the bills defense to play a lot better than they did against the colts even. So I'm doing something I never do in the NFL. I'm putting one unit on the patriots laying fourteen points. Yeah, that's not an area code that I go to laying fourteen points, but I have no faith at all in the bills and their ability to score whatsoever. So just the past for me, I'll be looking at props later in the week on Monday night football, the bet. Done? 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8 Straight & Mock Drafting

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:24:03 hr | 5 months ago

8 Straight & Mock Drafting

"They don't want it. Don't meet it but you're gonna get it anyway. Kevin sheehan show. He is kevin change. This week Tommy's going today cooley. Tomorrow we had knee surgery as you know on thursday and he's been some pain this weekend and he needed today to get it together a little bit and he says he should be feeling better and ready to go tomorrow as we count down the days to the nfl draft wanted just remind people You know. I'm on team ninety six to nine. Am every morning. Ben it goes on with me this morning. He comes on every monday morning at eight. I really love ben a lot. He you know. This draft draft hoover. He he really is unlike so impressed with. Ben gist over the years. And i'm not here to just build them up. I mean many of you know ben when you probably read them on the athletic which i would recommend and he's got a really good podcast as well been is the two time huddle report. Mock draft champion. Now what does that mean. well mock drafting. You know is like an industry. There are a lot of people that make real money as a year. Long dry dock drafter. I mean obviously kuyper was the original. Actually it's funny time. He this morning. I did Call segment on. If you had one go to mock draft guy who would it be you know. Obviously we ll aben but i- kuyper for me is still the guy but you know beatrice on local radio here was doing this before kuyper was doing it. I don't know how much of it was. Real me again would be giving you like the third string receiver from western michigan. Who had a chance to be. You know a twelfth round selection because back like he had some kind of staff working on this stuff well he claimed he sort of did but but anyway you know capers. Always been the guy i was. I was pointing out this morning. Because i was thinking about this last night. They brought in a guy. Todd mcshay to essentially replace kuyper. Okay never happened. Kuyper staved them off he. He adapted and mcshea and in kuyper of actually worked very well together over the years but the goal of bringing in mcshea. I don't know ten years ago twelve years ago. Whenever it was was they were starting to think kuyper was running out of gas a little bit and they wanted some young guys. Kuyper still going strong. He is still to me. The guy that is by the way fearless you know completely sold on his opinions. Nobody of any stature can talk them out of it. There was the famous bill. Tobin indianapolis colts you know Confrontation on the air and ninety four and he spn I just like mel. There are guys that do it really well like daniel. Jeremiah is a really good job. I used to think. Mike mayock used to do a pretty good job. Even though i felt like he always was very impressed with himself He's a general manager. Now in ben does a great job. I bring this up. I really brought it up for the purposes of just explaining to everybody. Ben standing has been doing this since twenty twelve um he won it in two thousand nineteen he wanted and twenty twelve He is rick gosselin. You know rick gosselin right yeah. Absolutely rick gosselin. Football writers in the business built ballot. Check is impressed by rick. Gosselin only rick gosselin has more Mock draft championship trophies. Then ben. he's got three of 'em benz got no one else. Has you know More than one in there guys look kuyper doesn't compete in this thing but daniel jeremiah does You know Lancer line. Does you know there's some big names that compete in this thing. Evan sold because you know you know how that happens at doesn't happen from watching film and and you know internet research. That happens from phone calls no doubt. Well you point that out because it's it's the the distinction that i sort of figured out as i was doing this segment this morning on radio because it's an important distinction like me is a draft analyst. He does a mock draft but he's a draft analyst. he's going he and mcshea and a lot of guys that also mock draft also going to analyze the players. Ben is very much. You know a mock drafter. He talks to a lot of people has a lot of sources and then he puts together the order and the players in where they're going to go in the way they measured. You'd get one point for every player you put you predict a accurately in the first-round then you get two points when you match a player to a team. And so he's done this by in the last five years he's got the third best overall a five-year average. He's one at once in the last five years. He's wanted twice. As i mentioned in the last eight years But there's a difference between standing and you know a guy like keeper. Ben give you his opinion on the player but really what he's doing is he's trying to get players and teams matched up based on information. Right some guys do it that way. Not necessarily analyzing who teams should pick right. Now he he's telling East telling you who he thinks they will pick. Yes now a lot of common sense and a lot of you know history on how teams draft in what teams needs. Are it settle. It's cetera all play into that for ben but yeah there's a base. There's a base knowledge that is available to people but what separates him. Our phone calls the legwork like we say in the business that he does and the network of of sources that he has. I mean that's the difference maker for daniel. Jeremiah is in this competition. Peter schrager in this daniel jeremiah. He's been thought of as a potential. Nfl general manager. Mike mayock went from sort of an analyst draft analyst to you know. nfl general manager. Am i think kuyper has had and has spoken to this over the years. Although one of the reasons i love kuyper is assuras as he is. He doesn't come off as an asshole like he never has to me anyway. I think he comes off with great humility but great confidence in what he's doing as well. Is there a guy over the years that you like. I like mel. I think mel is his guy who started in his basement and has never forgotten that you know. I don't think don't i've had some dealings with male. He's been a guest show host that we've done in the past He's nah. I don't think i've ever heard of him. Big timing anybody. Never you know he used to come on well. He came on with us a couple of times he came on. I mean years ago with rigaud. And i when i was doing the show with rigaud. And he's really cut back. You know it's too much. He gets asked by everybody. You know the guy that he was really close with because he worked with andy for many years at espn. Radio was andy. Pauline so we did a radio show on saturdays on saturday mornings. I think exactly so he would go on with andeans abe. Usually you know this time of year but you know. He's you know these guys you know. Look i've learned this from tony. I've learned it from scott. You know over the years you. They can't say yes to everybody or they'd have no time to do their own job. You you know all of the people that come after getting cooler way. He gets asked all the time. You know so I i understand where mel's coming from but anyway Ben was on the radio show this morning. His final entrance entrant into this competition comes late wednesday night so it's got to be in like roughly twenty four hours. I think before the draft starts and he had Elijah verret tucker Going to washington at nineteen in his latest. Although he says it'll probably change between now and wednesday night but he He allies air. Tuck tucker the versatile offensive line could be a guard from usc going to washington at nineteen. We're gonna circle back to some draft talk in a little bit. But i did want to start. I guess we already started. But i wanted to talk a little bit about the wizards win last night. So tommy they've do you. Do you know that this is the longest winning streak eight games in a row since two thousand one two thousand two since since jordan is that. Yeah that's nuts to me. it really is. I would have thought that they would have had a winning streak with the gilbert corron jamison teams or the john wall beal teams of lease state. Games this is the longest winning streak in nineteen seasons nineteen seasons. They currently have the second longest winning streak in the nba. Gino who has the longest winning streak right now in the nba of nine games in a row. Guy down the new york knickerbockers and then the third longest streak right now is just four. Wins in a row. That clippers so the knicks wizards and clippers have the three longest win streaks but really the nixon the wizards the knicks have won nine in a row. They are. they're playing very well and they have the coach that i wanted washington to hire several years ago in timoteo. But anyway i digress. The wizards are really very interesting to watch because they have to star players playing at a very high level right now in westbrook and bill. They also have you know they've got some players out right now. hummers out. Obviously they lost any idea for the year. With the hairline fracture they made this trade for daniel gaffer. D- i told you. I love the trade when they made it because i thought that he had a lot of talent. At least he didn't college whatever that means. I was surprised that year that he wasn't a first round pick. He went in the second round. And i sort of lost track of it until the wizards traded for him and then i looked at the bulls. Were you know weren't playing in that much He they're ten in one since gaffer d- came to the team and started playing meaningful minutes. Now robin lopez alex len. It's a three headed center but gaffer last night had twenty seven points. I'm sorry had twelve points in twenty seven minutes six rebounds four steals and four blocked shots they haven't had a defensive rim protector. Like gaffer d- in forever. I don't know maybe since brendan haywood haywood. I think you've gotta go that far back and he's different built. I mean he's built like the you know the athletic centers of today and man can he finish at the rim. He's just got ridiculous sort of quick jumping ability and he was matched up against one of the best young. Big men in the game. Last night jared allen and one of the best defensive young big men in the game and jared allen. Actually cleveland's got some young players. I i lost track. I'll be honest with you. Have dairy scarlet. Who by the way played for bradley. Beal's aau team. I think in the in the mid west and saint louis. Maybe garland went to vanderbilt. His like one of the top two recruits in the country blew out his knee in like game one or game to still ended up being the fifth overall. Pick by the cavs and man. He looks like the real deal like even beal said afterwards. He's going to be one of the best point guards in the nba. And you could see it last night. But the wizards have two stars and some really good supporting players. Gifford's one of them lopez plays really. Well bretons obviously just flat out one of the best three point shooters in the nba Netto is really good You know they don't have hot summer right now. They they obviously lost ideas. They're down a little bit. What's really interesting to me is. This is a team that is surging right now. They're beating up on teams that they should beat and that hasn't happened in the past. They're playing defense when it matters. They didn't play great all last night. But they were phenomenal over the last six minutes of the game and that turned the game and right now they are solidly solidly in this plan. Round like they're two games clear now of chicago for the ten spot. There two games out of the nine spot and three games out of the eight spot. What does that mean. If they get to the eight spot they'll be playing the seven in a first round game to get the seven seed and then if they lose they would still have a chance to play the nine ten winner by the way. Some some of you are really struggling with this. I'll explain it. I think it's not that hard but it's fine if you're struggling with it. The top six teams in each conference or automatically in the postseason one through six seven through ten are going to play a mini tournament if you will to become the seven and eight seed the seventh and eighth seeds in the eastern conference in the western conference top six or in and then seven through ten. Play it out this way. Seven going to play eight in a game. The winner becomes the seven seed. The loser plays the winner of the ten seed verses the nine seed game and the winner of that game becomes the eight seed. So if you're the seven or eight seed you only you get two chances to win one game and you're in if you're the nine or ten seed you to win two games in a row to get to the eight seed. Does that make sense. Did you follow it. Yeah i follow. Okay it's not that hard. I don't think it's that hard but some of you have asked for explanations and that's fine The winner If they get if they're the eight seed they're probably gonna play brooklyn and drank. Came back yesterday and you know i. I would think that kyrie irving will be done with ramadan at that point. And who knows if he'll play or not. I mean it sort of how he's feeling that particular day as to whether or not he's available But they're really really good. And i'll tell you what though if they somehow got to the seven seed i think they could give the sixers all they want in a first run game and first run series. You might be able to you know. I'm not going to discount the possibility. La tommy sheppard deserves a lot of credit for the thing. That ernie was one of the many things. I thought that ernie was so destructive about was filling in the gaps on the team. You know the spare parts. Tommy sheppard has been much better. At picking up the spare parts like daniel gaffer who who could wind up to be much more than a spare part when all is said and done The only thing that's going to hold them back at this point from from probably realising they potentially could have is their coach. I know you like them what they can. They need they need to. They need to move up on their coach any to get a better coach. Well i don't know that's gotta be kinda hard in a way because Russell westbrook love scott brooks will let me just make sure you're clear i do like scott brooks the guy i do like you know i. I've never been a big fan of him as an xs and os coach. Going back to okay see and i didn't love the higher when they made it. Now you just nailed it if they get to the postseason and let's just say that i mean i'm not talking about. I'm saying they get into like a first round playoff series not just playing tournament lose but first round playoff series their re signing him. They're gonna they're gonna give him a new. His contract is up at the end of this year. Yes it is so. That's a mistake a mistake if they owe if they re signed him. You're saying it's a mess. Yes yeah again. I mean. I'd like to see what is out there but i think you nailed it. I think first of all. I think bill likes him But more importantly russ his hit his stride. It looks like healthy. He may have a couple of years left with beal now. Bill may come back and they may look at this and say you know we got a chance you know adding some elson the draft this year and we got some pieces. We got a chance to be in like we both thought they had a chance this year. To be in that four to six range in the east but inter- they'd use healthy russell westbrook and they weren't healthy right. I wanted to mention one of the thing. And then we'll move on from the wizards to our next subject. D did you know that last night bradley. Beal past thirteen thousand career points. He is second on the all time scoring list. Behind elvin hayes in in wizards Bullets history he is Twenty five hundred thirty nine points away. Twenty twenty five forty two thousand five hundred and forty points away from becoming the all time franchise leading score. He'll do that next year as as a wizard i'm he. How old was he when he started playing like twenty years old. I think he might have even been nineteen when he got drafted out of florida. I mean so. Here's he was nineteen. He's been playing such an early age and this is one ernie that right radley earn dot right. He got he got beal right. But like i i guess i knew that he had he was up that high i. It sorta surprised me last night. How close he is to becoming the franchise's time leading score. That's elvin hayes. Were talking about health. Elvin hayes is like twelve all time. Nba scoring all time beal bills in his ninth year. He's got seven. He's he's basically in his prime right now for another nba. Another four or five years. He's in his prime. He's really going to put up some hist. Well he's going to put up all time historic franchise numbers. He's gonna put up more than that though. It's really. I'm surprised at that. I didn't i didn't know that. I mean I didn't i didn't realize that he had Had that had that many points. Now elvin hayes had that many points in washington remember. He had a lot of points in san diego And then points in houston and then points in houston at the end of his career to so. But you know the the. Y'all looked up. look this up. Elvin hayes played nine seasons with the wizards nine. That's what is in his ninth season right with the wizard. Right elvin hayes never missed a game you know so so i mean it's it it adds up away in that you know. I mean they've both played almost the same amount of time and bradley. Beal has become very prolific score but It's not that absurd that it's happening. Because elvin hayes only played nine seasons anyplace career remember it. Start out with houston right. Yeah houston san diego tommy. The bottom line is bradley. Beal's going to become on that. You know that. Mount rushmore of wizards bullets players. We did this a couple of weeks ago. You know i remember. We had this conversation. And i think we both said you know bill's going to be in that conversation but it's more than that ask john wall. Well he's going to if he hasn't already. I mean john wall never averaged over thirty points. A game beal's about to do it for the second consecutive year now. These are short and seasons. Last year was a shortened season and this year is a shortened season. You know he. He had some injury riddled seasons early in his career. To elvin hayes played in basically eighty between eighty and eighty two games every every year his career per you know he was an iron man of all one of the the great iron of time in the game but anyway It's funny because i don't consider beal to be a truly elite player in the game. He is definitely now an elite scorer in the game. I don't you know there are many players. I would take above deal You know. I would consider him to be not in the top ten of players in the game. Some of you think that's nuts. I mean i could just start ripping off names right now that there's no chance if you'd said Trade them you know if curry you know jaanus kawai Lillard donncha which durant yokich Embodied i mean. How many did i just rip off right there. I i'll tell you what i would steer clear of kyrie irving zion I mean that's probably eight or nine. That i just ripped off and i'm not. I'm not even thinking about everybody. I like jimmy butler overall as a as a you know. He's a great score of great score. He's not a top ten player. It'll be it'll be interesting to see if he makes the all. Nba he's gonna make an nba team this year. No doubt i need any help. This hill desert and he'll get paid then to get his super supermax contract. Yeah here someplace else Yeah last year. He didn't he didn't make right here. He didn't make the top three teams and it was like sort of viewed as a bit of an outrage. He's gonna make it this year and actually last year. I remember saying he actually deserved averaging over thirty a game. And i'm trying to think. I think i i. I liked him over Simmons or may be Somebody else who made it whatever. simmons's another guy. I'd take simmons and think about sims. Anthony davis of course lebron didn't mention lebron like yeah So anyway all right enough about them Stir there was some controversy in baseball yesterday. The nets lost That's not where the controversy was. 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Did we talk about strasbourg last week or not. Now okay go ahead. Well i mean this is what you get with the guy. I heard my question to you. I mean i i mean. He's been dismal since they signed him to a contract extension but If you're a nets fan can you live with all that. Based on the fact that he brought you a world series. Damn rydell definitely. It's it's i mean what he did in game six of that world series. What he did the year. You know at wrigley when they needed it. He's been their best clutch post Postseason performer and it just sucks like i think right before the season started i said to you i would love more than anything else to see. Strasbourg stay healthy and get every you know every opportunity to to have a full season to be a legitimate cy young candidate etc And it just. It just doesn't seem like it's ever going to happen. I mean that's not true because he's had a couple of incredible seasons but you know right now the look. This is such a long year. Nobody's jumped out in the national league east. The mets are in first place. One game above five hundred hundred. The nats are in last place. Two games out. It's a long long season. I just want him healthy. You know for the majority of it and then if they were to make it to the postseason. I definitely want men. 'cause i think he's more. I don't think there's anybody more reliable you know. In the postseason they in a big spot in strasbourg. God i look. I'm fi- i. I'm not fine with him. Being hurt but i I have no problem with the investment teammate. In him now the question is The other guy On the pitching staff the ace of the staff so to speak right max. Scherzer is thirty seven and in the fi. I think he's thirty seven and the final year of his contract. And there's a lot of talk at. It's the nats aren't competing at the trade deadline. He gets traded. Well i mean he's been awesome so far this year take away the the opening day start which by the way started really slowly with those three or four home runs whatever it was. I think it was four. Home runs right against the browns there. Yeah and then. All the sudden he bared down and he you know he kept him in the game and and his last three starts. I think three or four now have been unbelievable. I think i looked at his era before his last start. And who's at to something and then you know then then he beat the the cardinals one nothing in that In that game Last week so his er as probably below two right. now i'm pulling up right now In my case to you is that cannot fans will nats fans live with shirts are being traded. Or do they want it depends on where esten it would depend on where they are in the standings. You're certainly not going to trade him if you're in a race and his his era right now is one point. Eight zero right. Four starts one point. Eight zero Era so he's been outstanding by the way corbin wasn't terrible yesterday and he's been better in his last few starts be nice of them to get lester back The the the looked so far really their starting pitching hasn't been the issue now. Tell ross is pitched well for them except for the last outing anguish ago. But but i here's a question for you I think you could make the case at max scherzer. The most important baseball player in history of this franchise. Yeah what do you think it's prosper. No i think. I think sure is definitely Ahead of strasbourg. As far as that's concerned. okay. I mean in terms of the postseason look. They won a world series because strasbourg in game. Six was just had one of the all time. You know. Postseason pitching performances. He was dominant. He was clutch. And you know sure zor was was looked. I mean i go back to that dodgers game when they pulled sherzer out. I still don't know why they did it. But you agreed with it in the moment sherzer never bitched about it which is always been interesting to me. Whatever i yeah. I mean more. So than ryan zimmerman. Oh yeah yeah. I think shares are is it. I mean sherzer is is. He's he's balofo famer is he's the only lock hall of famer yes. She is three cy youngs. He walks in no doubt so in. Ryan zimmerman isn't that now. He's not ryan has had a very good career but not hall of fame career right not even close so no one else on their roster. I mean we. We think that soto could get there one day but obviously it's way too early but max scherzer is the only hall of famer on these teams right. I i know there's there's you can logically say okay. Well if you're not gonna sign him you trade them at the trading deadline if they're out of it but that will mean they would've said goodbye to rice harper. They would've said goodbye to anthony rundown and now the player who probably means more to this organization than any player and its history. They'll say goodbye to. I'd i mean i i think these these these. These kind of moves slowly do damage to a fan base. That still is being built. It's a young organization row worse. I it's still being built. I mean you know the the football team has been here since one thousand nine thirty seven. The hockey and the basketball team have been here almost fifty years. Cilla me ask you about yesterday Yesterday in a doubleheader you know in the doubleheaders this year are seven inning doubleheaders. like they were during. The you know the season Over the summer into the fall and yesterday arizona in two separate games against the atlanta braves They won the first game five to nothing over the braves and the pitcher in that. First game for arizona's zach gallon. He pitched a one hitter and seven innings. Then in the back half of the double header seven innings. Madison bumgarner threw a perfect game in seven innings. Not just a no hitter. There were no walks. No hits nothing In that game and they actually. That's not true. There was an error. There was an erin my my fault. There was an error in that game so it was a no hitter Through seven innings and they beat the braves seven. Nothing first of all i mean. Is it possible that one team could generate just one hit impacted back games. That seems pretty hard but they did it. I would imagine there's some sort of record. They're in a doubleheader. But then again. We don't have seven inning doubleheader history to compare it to anyway the argument here is did he or did he not throw a no hitter. Does it get registered as as a no hitter. The answer is no. Do you agree with it. This is kind of a tough one because You know I don't i don't necessarily like the seven inning doubleheaders but i've also said on occasion that if they wanted to change the game to a seven inning game. I'd be fine with that. You know so. I think it has to be a no hitter. I mean it. It's tasteful to me on some level. I understand what you grew up with and this is not what you grew up with us but these are the rules that you're playing with now. I mean this is like the idea that when baseball was one hundred fifty. Four games and roger marris hit sixty one home runs in one hundred and sixty two games. His home run record doesn't count didn't beep roots because he didn't he only did it. He needed eight more games to do it right. I mean this was the whole controversy. When ford frick was commissioner back. Then and he put an asterisk next to roger. Maris's record and people rebelled against that. So if if if you're not buying that then you have to live with the idea that this guy pitched a legitimate Major league baseball no hitter as constituted in twenty twenty one. Okay so basically you know. They had made the rule way back in nineteen ninety. One that only a full nine inning plus game would count as a true. No hitter on statistically Here's just tell me if you think. This is a legitimate argument or a legitimate counterpoint. To those that would say no in you say yes In that is know last night. I'll just tell you in. don't ask me. Why actually wanna tell you about a really good new show on. Hbo But you don't get hbo Do now okay have. Are you watching mayor going to great things about it. I'm gonna watch to episode two episodes in really the only thing. That sucks is ukiah binge it because it's you know week by week and i my wife and i watched it for the second week in a row. Kate winslet stars in she's great There is one part of it. I don't like so wait for you to watch it I can tell you this. You know it's all of them trying very hard to do the philadelphia accent and she's really trying hard and most people think she's pulled it off. I mean she's a brit It just i. I guess because i'm kate winslet fan. It's just. I know how hard she's trying. She's greatness. show you're gonna love it. It's a thriller from what i've read. I think i'll like it. But the reason i got hooked on on on watching it you want to watch it because i read a story. Somebody wrote a story about it and bringing up the question if she's a philly girl. Why isn't she drinking. Yingli rolling right rolling rock pittsburgh right rolling rock. No rolling was pennsylvania. Beer i know. But i thought it was a western. Pa was a western pa right. We drank it in the poconos. Yeah but once. They moved out of once they got bought up by budweiser and moved out. Latrobe all legitimate pennsylvania. Beer swore them off right okay. No you wouldn't drink rolling rock after that you just wouldn't so i mean i thought that was an interesting article. Why isn't she drinking. England fans anymore either for personal reasons but So that got me interested. Wasn't i read more about it. And i said i gotta watch this. What are the personal reasons on. Usually there going. Don't want to go down that road it's a. It's a bumpy road. Is it the taste or is it something political. It's something politico. K tastes good. I don't mind kneeling at all. So the reason. So we got sidetracked. Here i i was up and then when the show was over i flipped it over to espn where there was a great baseball game going on and by the way already this year there have been eight of them between the dodgers and the pod and the padres fabulous and last night you know. I flipped it on before the show started. Dodgers had a seven one lead when the show is over it seven seven going into extra innings and kershaw is pinch hitting with the bases loaded and one out in the tenth so it was just a very dramatic game. The game went to the eleventh. And this is why. I bring this game up you know Putting it side by side with madison bumgarner. 's no hitter. That doesn't count well. The sac fly that eric hosmer had in the top of the eleventh that scored by the way tattoos. Junior who had five home runs over the weekend in dodger stadium went back to back with two two home run games and then had a homer last night as well. Well that sac fly in the eleventh. Counts is an rbi for hosmer. If they put the run run second that that's the key piece of information i forgot to mention. They put the runner on second free of charge and that runner tattoos advanced to third on something and then hosmer had sacked fly and that was the whole. That's the whole point of the rule to say to start not to go the four h. Hell it's nice it. I don't like it either but it counts statistically. And it's right now it's sort of an interim thing. This isn't a definite thing. This is another covid season kind of thing to shorten the games and to make sure that they get these games in well if he's found argument against not counting a seven any doubleheader. That's my account an aided. Rbi scenario watch. It's an aided rbi. It's a free rbi really yes so anyway. All right I did want to mention wait a minute. Yes so you didn't watch eighty oscars last night. Not none of it had zero interest t. Tell me what i missed. I watched it Because my wife wanted to see it and her sister was visiting and they wanted to see it right but it was really bad really bad. I didn't want to eat any of it. It was it was. It was a terrible show Not your weren't many clips from the movies. That were nominated. i oh they can. They can blame on covert if they want it was. It was a bad and boring. Boring show really bad. And they wound up. They wound up The director steven soderbergh It is was a director and apparently he had engineered it so instead of having best picture at the end of the show like they usually do he engineered so they will have best actor named at the end of the show because everyone thought it was going to be chadwick. Boseman right posthumously. Well it turned out to be anthony hopkins. Who wasn't even there. The ending of the show was an absolute disaster and but nomad land won for best picture. Have you seen that say that again. No mad land won for best picture. I don't know. I didn't know any of the movies. My son told me about one movie that he said i have to watch. I don't even it was nominated. But the guy rizza med who was in that Of metal sound of metal. My son said it's a great movie that i love right. He's right yeah and he said resigned great and he was the guy that was in night of remember that. Hbo thing now i. it's very good boulevard. Y'all so i'll watch that one but no badland. I think is good. No madly i saw four of the movies that were nominated and i thought no man's land was the best of the bunch you sit down. I bet you saw. I mean i bet you saw moore but you saw way higher than the average of a typical year of the movies. That were nominated. Four of the movies you saw that were nominated. I didn't see one of them and usually an abnormal year. Non cova dear. I will have seen at least two of 'em if not three of them on average. I didn't see one of them. So how did you you just watch them all at home. Yeah watch them all home. Wash them all streaming at home the trial of the chicago seven Nomad land Let me see the sound of metal and the movie about the making of citizen kane. Oh okay is that. Is that the one with. Gary oldman yesterday. Okay yeah. i think my wife told me that. I would like that one. Did you like that. But i liked it but i understand why. A lot of people didn't I'd like to for different reasons that it turned me on to a guy i'd heard of before A muckraking Activists of the early twentieth century upton sinclair Who i am known about before. But i didn't know how much of an impact he had and he plays a key role in this movie so i enjoyed it but i think a lot of people were disappointed by all right so i needed see sound of metal. It sounds like we're both in on mare of of east town by the way her last name is she in In the in the movie and her son. I won't i won't tell you what a she had. A son named kevin kevin sheehan. Oh what i wanted to tell you. Still easy if i if i haven't told you this already. I did watch the hemingway documentary. The ken burns thing. It was excellent. Yeah did you watch it. Of course i yeah it was. It was another one of his. That was just so well done gotten the narration of the narrators. In all of these things to you know voices like jeff daniels you you you listen to the voices and you know the voices Adds a lot to it. I just thought it was well done. And it's not like i'm know a literary hemingway You know expert. Like you probably are. But i thought it was such an interesting story of such an interesting life. The did not know. I attempted. And i think i'm gonna do it. Maybe if they have it this year if not this year next year i've been tempted sloppy. They mentioned sloppy joes and key west in the documentary favorite borrowed. That's where the The other war correspondent the woman. I forget her name now. martha gayle. Yes something like that met him. It's sloppy joes But they have an hemingway look alike contest every year to bake deal at sloppy joe's and i've been tempted to participate in it but i haven't done it yet but i think i'm going to if they have it this year. Definitely if not this year next year. We'll just make sure that they're not giving out free janglings a different area of the country All right you read We're going to circle back to the draft here shortly. But you read the same story. That i read about the shanahan's seth walker sham story. He always does really good job of stories on espn dot com and. He wrote a story. That i really enjoyed yesterday. I i mean. I guess the way to sort of Describe it is it to me. There were three themes. If you will of this seth wicker sham story in espn dot com on which by the way was titled Inside the twenty twenty one. Nfl draft toughest decision. The forty niners choice at number three. But it's really a story about three things in my opinion one. Is this constant. Nfl fan discussion debate about. Do you have to have the elite quarterback or can you win a super bowl and be really good for a long period of time with just a decent quarterback a good quarterback in you know a top half of the league quarterback which is what. I've always said you can have sustained winner with the top half of the league but i don't know if you're gonna be great with with that you've got to put a really good team around him. So that was part of it. Is this you know. Kyle traded up from twelve to three because garoppolo is just you know. Just bear five quarterback. He's not an elite quarterback and they're gonna go for the elite quarterback and so part of the story is just the you know that that long running debate and how it's played into kyle shanahan career and his father's career. Because mike obviously won back to back super bowls in denver with one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time john elway but was a really great coach but never got back to the super bowl with not. An elite quarterback got close. Went thirteen and three in two thousand five with jake plumber. But plummer threw four interceptions in the afc championship. Game against ben roethlisberger and so they didn't get back. And so mike. The following year went four jay cutler you know went big for jay cutler like his son is going big for either mac jones trae lance by the way that's the reporting this morning that the forty niners have narrowed it down to mack jones and trae lance now. They didn't trade up from twelve to three to get into a debate over two quarterbacks. I still think it's going to be mack jones. Anyway that's one of the discussions you know. One of the points of the story The second part is chest about sort of kyle and his journey and mike in his journey as coaches and of all of the different situations they've come into and why they've both been so successful and influential in the game. And then i think the third part of this was a subtle case that wicker sham makes that i've made in the past that mike is a hall of fame coach. Yes yes he. Does it airs. What it is and this drives washington. It's football fans nuts. it's an inside. The industry view of how mike shanahan is looked at right inside. The industry football mike shanahan is revere revered yes and that may drive you nuts to hear that but in the business where he does business. He is held in high esteem. Well i mean who cares if if it drives you nuts as a washington football fan because you think he sucked. You're just wrong. No the owner sucked. The owner sucked. Mike shanahan didn't suck all right the owner and everything around him suck now. If you want to be critical of mike for twenty thirteen not basically putting it to the owner to say fuck you. I play my guy and i coach my people. The way i want to coach him or i'm done. He could have done that he could have done that in probably should have done it but he didn't and they tried to make it work coming off twenty twelve because they had won a division they had nearly won a playoff game And he was hopeful. But you know there are a couple of things that wicker sham writes in here. First of all he says you know. Shanahan's broncos were five and three against belichick overall and patriots coaches always lamented. That shanahan was the toughest coach to scheme against talking about the two thousand five season in particular when they went thirteen and three and ended up losing in the afc title game They beat the new england in the divisional round loss to the steelers at home in the afc title game. And that was the year in a roth. Asperger's first year and they. They went on to beat seattle in the super bowl And he had jake plumber throwing four picks in the game but they had gone. Thirteen and three with jake plumber. You know by the way had had some decent teams with guys like brian greasy Butts wicker sham writes it with some of the finest work of shanahan's career. In fact he was a better coach then then he was when he was in when he was winning championships in denver. You when they talk about what happened. In washington wicker sham writes in washington. Both mike kyle coached. Rg three to a playoff appearance in the ap offensive. Rookie of the year win. But then the quarterback egos skyrocketed as his play. Descended body broke down. Both father and son were victims of the dan snyder morass and fired after the two thousand thirteen season. If mike it ever found another hall of fame quarterback after elway he might have walked away as the greatest coach of his generation. Instead is good friend. Bill belichick with two winning seasons and eight without tom. Brady will walk away as the greatest coach of his generation He he makes the case that you know any makes the case right there. Belichick's walking into the hall of fame. Obviously the greatest coach may be of all time and certainly the greatest coach of his generation but without brady was to basically two winning seasons eight and and shanahan had two championship seasons and had other great seasons and playoff seasons with very mediocre to subpar quarterbacks. But i think look two time super bowl winning coach And really his offensive influence. Which they talk about in this story which you know everybody in the league respects how much they've influenced the game Offensively In the kyle's almost taken it to another level that that enough is enough to get him into the hall of fame. I felt that for a while. Now and i agree absolutely agree. I don't know if it will But it should they yeah That was a good story. I mean forget about the shanahan hall of fame subtle. You know sort of push. It's just you know this this debate that we have all the time. I am a believer that you gotta keep trying to get the elite quarterback that the elite quarterback is the only way you can be guaranteed of of a sustained. Long run of being in contention on the other hand. How can you make the argument that it's easier to find great players at other possessions that it is a quarterback and if it is and why not bill that way will because if you build that way. You are always going more likely than not. You're going to come up short of winning it all because you don't have the elite quarterback and more years than not. You're not even going to be a contender without the quarterback. I don't know that. I disagree with you that it's easier that less misses happen on other positions although actually. I don't know what the data would say to that. I think that's just. That's just my instinct. Yeah but the because because a leak. Quarterbacks are so rare the bottom line is the five that are going to potentially in the top seven to ten years depending on what happens three of them are going to be insignificant to the nfl and maybe four of them and one of them. You know may end up. Being a true franchise potential elite quarterback. But you don't know which one it's going to be. That's the problem is we've gone through this. You know over the years. It's it's just it's a one in four shot basically so maybe you get two out of the five who knows I think you have to keep trying you know. And that's why i've said if ron rivera mardi martin mayhew etc if they decide to go big and make a big move because justin fields drops and they really like justin fields and by the way. I've said this a couple of times going back two months. I think there are people in this organization that like justin fields. I know some of the reporting has been trae lance and that may be true too. I just know that certainly two months ago there were important people in this organization that loved fields so if they decided to go big and trade up with carolina at eight and take justin fields. Because he's dropping. I have no problem with that. Just like i was all for the matt stafford attempt and i would have been all four a shawn watson attempt. Obviously that you know is on hold for everybody I think you have to keep trying on that front If you really believe that the guy you've evaluated the guy as you know one of the four that's gonna make it. And i think you have to keep trying. 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Where will this historic class of quarterbacks land which teams will move up to grab their guy who will leave scratching our heads on draft night. Anything can happen so come join in on the fun and intrigue by catching the livestream on youtube. The athletic nfl twitter and on the athletic app or at the athletic dot com. We'll get started midway through the first round breaking down the top of the draft and reacting to the rest of the action as it unfolds. Everything you love about the athletic football show plus dangerous lers analysis streaming live on draft night. We'd love to see you there. I mentioned the ian rapoport and peter king. I think i did earlier In the podcast. Both of those gentlemen reported that the forty niners of narrowed it. Down to two quarterbacks trae lance and mack jones. I really have a hard time. Believing the kyle shanahan traded what he traded to move from twelve to three without knowing exactly what they were gonna do. I guess it's it's feasible. The debate going on the or kyle may have his mind made up but there may be other people with with a voice the organization. That wants something different okay. Well we'll see i. I think it's gonna be mack jones. You know the fact that the justin fields isn't being discussed here. I mean i'm cooley. Didn't doesn't love fields. he's got fifth out of the top. Five guys coolies been very adamant that it's going to be mack jones. And if it's not mack jones it'll be lance. It won't be fields at three. He just doesn't see fields. As a kyle guy he sees mack jones kyle guy and sees lance potentially as a kyle. I'm guy as well So that's you know that's essentially where they are right now And then you get to four. If it's you know. I i had been on the show today. I had another draft guy in the show today. Been reading a lot over the weekend If mack jones doesn't get picked it three by the forty niners in its trae lance mack. Jones could go all the way to fifteen in new england. I mean it's a really interesting thing. And i think all of you college football fans would say the same thing okay. He's good but he's not the other four you know and for a lot of reasons But but if somebody all it's going to take his one team to love them and they're going to go but if it's not the forty niners there's thought he could drop to fifteen If it is mack jones three everything hinges on four with atlanta. Do they take trae lance and have him sit behind matt ryan for a couple of years or do they take kyle pits or do they trade back. You know with a team like denver. Who wants to come up and take trae lance or with chicago with washington or with new england. I don't think washington's going all the way to four And then what happens with fields. Well cincinnati's not taken a quarterback miami's not taking a quarterback detroit and carolina. May not take quarterbacks. But you know. I think it's logical to think that if you want whomever the fifth is or if it's the fourth and he's dropping and he's the guy you want like fields you're probably going to have to get in front of denver at nine now. There were a couple of mock drafts this weekend. That had washington trading up to fourteen and taking. Mike parsons you know. That's a possibility to john. Times reported on both of them. They could trade into the top. You know eight to take the quarterback that falls that they love or they could trade up to thirteen or fourteen or fifteen for an offensive lineman or for mike parsons Or maybe even the line you know were or another linebacker like You know in a whistle corner moa possibly now. Everybody has going before. Nineteen it's It's gonna be it's really tommy. You know i'm not a a super in. i love the draft. Don't get me wrong. But i'm not. I recognize what it is you know. I recognize it like thirty percent. These guys are going to be significant. Contributors you know like a really good draft is basically a one out of three contributing hit rate. So it's it's a lot You know it's one of those things that it's no one really knows in we. We're going to sit here. we're gonna listen to people. Tell us why this guy should have gone higher than another guy put. Then there's going to be a guy that went in the fifth round that ends up being better than all of them. But i you going. Are you going to the draft party. The team having draft party on saturday at fedex legendary draft party. Remember when we had to do those although the one with archie three coming in and the helicopter was fun. Well that was the that was the biggest of all of them. I mean they're probably twenty five thirty thousand in the stadium yet. But how many of those saturday on stage and talk. Yeah how many how. Many of those saturday's with you. And i out at fedex field watching the crew that would come in and pay sixteen bucks for beer to see to see what i mean. This is an and. I've mentioned this before and i hate doing this because it feels like we too many shows but this is what they got confused by. This is what they always got confused by. They thought the people that were showing up for those things. Were really reflective of their fan base. Anyway no i'm not going. I will be hosting coverage on nine eighty To start on. Thursday night And i i wanted to say a couple of things before. I finish up with a couple of things from sally jenkins column. Did you read her column this morning or not. Oh yes yes. I did I actually think there were some things loves herself. Some coaches doesn't yes. She does She loves coaches But i think there's some things in there that are actually knew including some quotes from rivera that are new and some stories at her new. But i wanted to just on the draft Mentioned that look. I think washington staying at nineteen and they're gonna take an offensive lineman a linebacker or potentially a corner one of the things that i just started watching a lot of things over the weekend. I mean whatever. I mean as sage rosenfels said you know. We're not film experts when we're watching games on youtube or watching. Some of the highlight reels cool. He's got the actual coaches film. He's looking at and there are as sage rosenfels said. You know a couple hundred people that actually have access to that. That's and have the expertise to look at it. The corners in this draft. I would not be shocked if a cornerback is way up on. Washington's board at nineteen like a newsom at north western or or a horn at south carolina. I thought both of those guys can play now. Almost every mock. I see horn. Going as the second corner after certain. Who's been mocked to the cowboys. More than any players been mocked any team other than trevor lawrence. And zack wilson one to To jacksonville in the jets But there's the possibility that a corner is there. I asked ben this morning. And i think it was an interesting question for him to answer and also one for all of you to sort of contemplate like what's the wildcard at nineteen like somebody that had like. We've all been discussing guys like dera. Saw parsons a woo-suk core amoah Allies vera tucker Zaven communist yeah. People don't spend too much time contemplating this fight something more fruitful to appeal to the people that listen to this that are really into this draft. And you're not that much so just gimme another minute here The the the names that we've all been talking about you know as you know. Dislike eater drop will dare saw drop you know. Is it going to be the tackle. Everybody thinks that we really need to tackle. You know it could also be parsons you know there could be a trade up for parsons. Parsons drops to nineteen. Doesn't that say something. Parsons what about socor. Amoah the linebacker he'd fit in so we've all had those conversations but what would be the wild card. I think the corner is the wildcard. I think a guy like horn or newsom at nineteen would not shock me when you watch these guys play games and you still consider that they still have a bit of a neat. i i know they. They got jackson the third right and the got kendall fuller they still need corners It would not shock me if that's a wildcard corner at nineteen. The other wildcard is a running back. And if we haven't talked about this already and i forget cooling. I talked about it. I know we talked about it on the show. Peter schrager who does a pretty good job with mock drafts. Mock travis t. n. To washington at nineteen in his last mock with najah harris's on the board. Sorry i'm taking harris. If harris is on the board at nineteen and he's the highest rated player on washington's board even though it's not an obvious need they should take najah harris. He is marshawn derrick. Henry like he's going to be a major impact player and i. I love gibson too but najah harris has a chance to be a premier elite back. And maybe think gibson's that too. I would not do it. Free ten anyway Wanted to finish up the show tommy with this sally's column. You read it. And i read it but i want to get to the parts that i thought were interesting but just to give everybody sort of a sense. She basically wrote a column about ron rivera and about how. He's the right guy for the job you know she. I love her first couple of paragraphs. I'll read them real quickly. Some people just naturally know how to say things in a voice that will make dog sit and men tig entrenchments and ron rivera is one of them. Born at fort ord in california where his father was an army chief foreign officer. He has such a habitual tone of command that you can practically hear the italics in his words even on zoom and then she goes through some of the things that he has said. She writes a lot of foam. Militaristic spittle flying harangue Say the same things as they pass through head coaching jobs in the nfl which separates rivera. That he's actually got a record as a turnaround artist twice now taking doormat teams to division. Titles i would just point out here. Yes they wanted division title. They were seven and nine. And yes a little bit. Quick clarita turnaround. I think that it. It's rather quick to declare to turn turnaround yet. But you know he has taken doormat teams to division titles she writes but if the members of the washington football club to make a real transformation from longtime losers to enduring winners. It won't be because revere orders them in a loud voice it will be because after all of the years of managerial publicity and double talk. They finally believe in somebody and then you know she writes what he has said Which it's something that you and i've talked about for years which is sustainable culture. Changing always sustainable winning organization. There's a big difference. And i pointed this out for years and we both talked about it between a good team. And a good franchise. Every season in good franchise every team in the. Nfl has a good season every once in a while. It does not make you a good franchise. Washington's been in the bottom quarter bottom. You know third consistently a franchises or lower for twenty one years. But they still had the occasional good season. But they've never had this sustainable good culture and good franchise now want to get to the part where i think these are new things And it deals with two specific players. dwayne haskins and a second player. Who i will name here shortly. She writes rivera. Wasn't holding everybody to the same standard. She said and they all knew it. Quarterback dwayne haskins the personal first round draft pick of owner. Daniel snyder was a visible laggard. If there was one bad habit in the organization the veterans knew it was the devaluing of real effort while allowing a favored few to slide. We know this over the years. Snyder and favourite few slid while coaches were forced to sometimes keep them. You know on the field. Despite it hurting the rest of the locker room sally continues. Rivera desperately wanted to give haskins a fresh chance and he said i love the arm and he's got a he's got a fast twitch about him when he sees the right thing at first rivera figured all haskins needed with some schooling for eleven straight weeks from training camp. Through the first month of the season he gave haskins every snap with the i team. I was trying to create as much of an opportunity as possible to develop and grow rivera said but after an initial burst of progress haskins reverted to a habitual casualness. He he says quote to sally. Look everybody's got a great arm in this league what separates them is the other part of it closed quote while rivera felt obliged to give haskins every chance. It became plain. How badly. He was being outworked by other quarterbacks particularly alex smith who was trying to prove his post injury durability despite seventeen surgeries and was another player. Rivera deserves quite what to do with to smith's ir reluctant to test. Smith's leg revere felt most comfortable with the undrafted. Kyle alan a dog worker. He calls quote a very steady force. He's a hey all right whatever you want me to do. I'll do guy closed quote. Haskins was a huge complication. Rivera's culture campaign. Because he made all of rivera's talk just wind by the second game. Rivera was concerned by the third one. Haskins gave up three hundred interceptions in a fumble in the loss to cleveland. Rivera started getting hard questions of his staff. What type of commitment do we have. What is he doing when he getting in. When is he leaving. What extra things is he done. Who's he been working with. Rivera would ask receivers. Hey have you been doing any extra work with him. The reply was no and he'd say you haven't when rivera his staff looked at the cleveland. Game tape he saw something that truly startled him on a throw late in the game. Haskins went through his progression backward. His first look was to a receiver. Who was the last option on the play a week later. He demoted haskins to third string and it was one of the two most important personnel moves. Rivera would make all season. I will say this rivera told. Sally i think doing what i did helped me with the other guys because i showed them that. Hey guys i'm not all in on just one guy. I'm all in on the team. Making the decision. Not only had the impact of taking a young player in benching him. But it also told a group of guys. Hey look if you're not towing the line if you're not doing your job and working the way you need to work and doing the things we need them done. I'm moving on from you. The second most important play player move was elevating. And i'll leave off there and i'll come back to it to name the player in a second first of all the haskins stuff. The cleveland things new information. We hadn't heard that before I also wonder what he means when she writes That he was obliged to playing Wh while rivera felt obliged to give haskins every chance it became plane how badly he was being outworked. By other quarterbacks wide you think he felt obliged to playing him. I think we know i. It's because this was the owners quarterback. This was this was where the competition went. It disappeared into the into thin air. The one that he repeated that he talked about when he got hired the when he talked about during the traffic and the one he one who traded for kyle ounce and they want. He talked about the opening training camp. None of that ever materialized. And yeah i don't know i know. We just talked about worshipping at the altar of mike shanahan but sometimes these coaches aren't very smart. He had to know this coming in. I think he. I think he and scott turner knew they had to what was what was this guy samo with the last coaching staff. He didn't work. Yeah know i mean th that the everyday described. It took them to the third week to figure out that this guy wasn't working. That's a little bit bizarre I think that you know it's interesting because you know a lot of people that are listening. Say she and you wanted to see him. You saw you know something in them. I didn't out of the draft. But i did in that first year. In what rivera said here to sally is exactly what i thought you know. I was seeing not. I didn't realize all the things he was missing but when he said about him he said i love the arm and he's got a fast twitch about him when he sees the right thing think about some of haskins really good throws good god. Quick release on time with great arm strength could make every throw like there was some of that that we saw on some of these games. He wasn't horrible in every game. so some of that. I like if rivera didn't see anything in he. Would i think he may have said to dan. Sorry i'm not taking this job. If you're gonna tell me that. I've got to try to make this a go of it. I think would also played into it is that he looked at the twenty season. And said you know this season this season one of a culture change you know of of finding my bearings in oh by the way he had cancer at the time so all of that was going on but i do think that he and scott turner if forced to wager large amounts of money on whether or not dwayne haskins was going to be their starting quarterback. In twenty twenty one would have wagered no before the season started. I'm saying or when they took the job. I think that's what they would have wagered on. So here's the other part of this So he said you know He said this the second most important player move was elevating unsung grinder. Jeremy reeves and it was the complete opposite of the haskins situation. Rivera had cut the twenty four year old safety from the roster fifty three in the pre season but reeves was the kind of guy who did everything he was asked of in double time. He had caught the coach's eye with his energy rivera told him look. You got our attention. This is a numbers game. Keep working and i promise. I'll give you an opportunity. Any hatem on the practice squad When landon collins went out with his achilles injury the football world expected rivera. To bring in big name veteran. Eric reid to help with the playoff chase. But rivera kept his promise to reeves and promoted him from the practice squad. Reeves ended up with the fifth. Highest rated safe ended up the highest rated safety in the league according to pro football focus and he told everyone in the building. Rivera was a man of his word. By the way reef said i'd run through a brick wall for coach. I'll give coach everything. Because i i got because he gave me an opportunity. He didn't have to do that. He had a guy that he knew that played in the system that he was comfortable with and he went with me. You know remember. He did reach out to eric. Reid and the reporting was that eric reid wasn't going to be given the starting job. He was going to have to come in and earn it. I as a practice squad player. Remember right and he was going to have to earn it. Or you know he's gonna have to earn it but in practice he wasn't gonna be handed it network reed said no either. Come in and start. Or i'm not coming and so you know these are the kinds of things that you know the last really good coach. That was here shanahan. Used to tell us you know you. The reason he played kirk cousins at the end of that twenty thirteen season and that is that he was gonna lose the team if he didn't plan for those final three games because the the team new. You can't fool the team. Remember santana moss telling me the same thing you you cannot fool the team we also. Sometimes you get a team. That doesn't care. Yes i mean and that's even but yeah you're right if you have players who care and you think you're building a foundation you can't you can't put one over on them. I mean it's easy to put one over on a bunch of stiffs. Cause they don't care they're just trying to get to the end a season. you know. it's funny i heard. Recently i had another player. Tell me that he would have run through a wall for coach and it was one of the guys. I interviewed about marty schottenheimer. Who wasn't i forget. I forget which one it was a defensive player. remember you it was Yeah the look. I think they have the right guy i do. I think the guy and think about this first year for him. I mean again. We've said it a million times all the things we face in the personal Situation he faced with cancer. They're gonna have you know pro football focus. If you guys miss this rated washington's roster the eighth best roster in the nfl saw that. now. I mean again. I mean take pro football. Focus for what it's worth. But they do have they do have a good roster defensively They have some players on offense. And it's gonna come down to the quarterback situation as it typically does. I'm excited about fitzpatrick. If they don't draft a quarterback. I'll be fine with it. I be fine with them. Drafting just a player. That's got a chance to be. You know a real a player you know a chase. Young mont has sweat a drawn. Pain a terry maclaurin legit player. That's going to be you know obvious pretty quickly that we've got ourselves a good player for years to come i think they've got a draft best player available and We'll see what happens What else you got today. I got nothing else today boss. It's a beautiful day out gorgeous day Enjoy the day back tomorrow. Hopefully with cooley. Hopefully he's feeling better Have a great day.

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REShow: Daniel Jeremiah. Hour 1 (10-02-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

55:30 min | 1 year ago

REShow: Daniel Jeremiah. Hour 1 (10-02-20)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one production. Now, available on Apple podcasts podcast one spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. Sam Darnold, took a sack that he didn't need to take. Down on his throwing shoulder is the rich Eisen, show jets have broken Santa. Nationwide televised online may have a new coach before the end of the season the rich Eisen show. Somebody decision may TT's gasps NFL network analyst Daniel Jeremiah Las Vegas Raiders Radio Voice Brent Musburger Super Bowl winning head coach, Brian Billick NBC horse racing analyst, Eddie check, and now. You're rich is. Everybody welcome this edition of the Rich Eisen Show where here on our on our fun I guess our final quad cast of you say, hello to our NBC audience in a fresh reminder at the top as we will throughout this this three hour edition of the rich Eisen show that this is our last day on NBC SMS is part of the a simulcast we're moving exclusively all of our TV viewership to to the awesome streamer peacock that we've been on for about a month and a half. So. We say, hello to everybody out there on her linear cable. Money's is rich Eisen that is Chris Brockman in his usual spot over there. You. Bet Mike del Tufo is off today or let's put it this way Freeman. As you would agree he is way to valuable sports media production. Star to be. Shared. By. No one that that he is so crucial to the Fox sports boxing broadcasts he has to be somewhere else today. Is the Boxing Guy or Mike del Tufo is off. So we say hello to you out there. And I do want to start off. With just the the news that we're all thinking about here in our country as. You know the president and the First Lady of tested positive for corona virus and we send our best to the first family and want everybody to be healthy as fast as possible and get through this. A fresh reminder just how serious this virus is as two more people tested positive and the Titans Organization bringing the total number. Of Titan, players and members the Organization of tested positive for coronavirus thirteen thirteen and that's again something to keep in mind as we're hearing about what's coming out of Washington DC is if you test negative today, it doesn't mean that you are free and clear again, the two people that tested positive for the coronavirus and Tennessee, have been quarantined all week long and they just tested positive today. K There were negative two days ago. So everybody says walking around saying I'm. I'm negative. Doesn't matter it yet does. Yet does when there's an outbreak. and. Again I'm glad the NFL and the Players Association. decided to just rip off on. The game with the steelers and put them on a bi week and hopefully everybody stays healthy and that's the end of it, and hopefully the vikings keep testing negative is we know the Tennessee Titans and Vikings strange crossed on field and right now they and the Texans are gonNA play football game. And and and then the NFL just again on this subject. The NFL is not messing around. They once again just made an announcement with the NFL players association announcing that they are going to continue daily testing through by weeks. What does that now? That's what's this is crucial. especially. Since right now, the titans and the steelers are on a bi. Week and the concern when we spoke to front office members and players and coaches throughout the. non-playing season throughout the training camp season the no preseason. season. That the concern was, yes. We feel that we've got something going on in terms of the cadence of testing and the and the protocols within the building. That's that's all well and good. What happens when there's a bye week when players go home well, now that players are going to be required to be tested on a daily basis same thing coaches, they've got to stay put in the city they can't go traveling. They've got to show up for testing and if they don't show up for testing, if anybody does not show up for testing without. A. Permission Excuse. Their popped for fifty thousand dollars fine and then a second violation suspension. Not Messing around. Can't mess around. So. That's pretty big news coming out of the NFL and hopefully that's been contained. And hopefully again, this is a message for everybody and I a virtue signaling. Virus doesn't care who the hell you vote for the virus does not care what your position is on the Supreme Court or not. The virus does not care how old you are. The virus does not care about anything the virus wants to host in your body if it can. Mask up socially distanced. And Wash. Your hands we are we come to work and we wash our hands and we wear masks. When we walk in, we take them off for the show. We stay at home we quarantine, we do the best we can. As I touched my face I mean, literally it's it's so difficult. But the bottom line is everybody do do the best you can and be vigilant. And the best to the first family and the senator from Utah Mike Lee just announced he's tested positive for coronavirus. He was there I saw photographed he was standing next to amy coney. Barrett. Two days ago. Without a mess. Please everybody be vigilant. Now. Let's go back down to the Wormhole the sports shall we? Do it. Involves a Thursday night football game and I don't know if I really want to do that but I'll do it anyway up being a pretty good game and nice. Nice. High. Register, which will do later on and you're sneaky good Games picking all the Games and making people hard earned American dollars. For Week number four, our usual Friday fares coming up. Then I'll tell you our guest list and in a moment. So. Thursday night football. You can't spell again. I shoot you straight here always, but I wear my heart on my sleeve and I i. always. I, guess, this show is a little bit different because I I am a fan I show my phantom, but I can still always put that away to give you an opinion. And have fun with it. That's that's what I do. Here on the rich Eisen show. But I admit that I am a fan of certain teams and I am a fanatic you cannot spell fanatic without fan. All. Right. So, what did I say yesterday what have? I said what I say they were use it who's going with football Mike Broncos come on. broncos. And I said that the jets have broken Sam Darnold. And that the jets should tank for Trevor Lawrence and set Sam Darnold free and Higher Eric Enemy that was my fourth down hot take cutting the hot take plank of my four downs earlier on Tuesday higher be enemy. Say Bring Your playbook from Kansas City Stick Trevor Lawrence in it, and go to work in the AFC for a long time where green and and cut up the the paper for your ticker tape in the Canyon of Heroes Let's roll. But. There's a lot of time between then and now. And even with all of that. Even, with all of that, I'm sitting there before the game last night. Yeah. It's four thirty five o'clock somewhere and I start taking a little bit of tug on A. Little Bit of Montepulcano read Oh, oh. Yeah. And I'm watching the pregame. NFL Network. I'm seeing Brett rippin. Who's never played a game before? Nurse Guy in the history of Boise State football. Great Blue Turf. Great stuff. We all know they play a lot of fun football. They've once football games. Guys have proposed after winning Bowl Games I. mean there's all sorts of stuff involved in Boise state. Yeah. Nobody's ever started from that great. Football, institution in Idaho in the National Football League. Let alone on a short week let alone on the road. And I'm thinking, okay this guy's maybe maybe he's doing a little bit something down leg here in the jet ambiance them and and the jets defensive coordinator Gregg with three G. Williams is just the right amount of crazy to start making this kid's life difficult and Sam Darnold is. The same thing. Sure but I'm feeling. I call up NFL network and I'm saying. I'm changing my. I text you. I texted you. Yeah. Change my pick I. picked up jess defense for whirlpool despair. I'm feeling I'm. In. Chips to the center of the table Yep. What a dope? Dope, I changed my pick to I was feeling your. Pay Hey but SAM darnold comes out. And same has the longest touchdown run in the history of jets quarterback. Mike Vick seven nothing. showed off his inner Lamar. I even gave out the Hashtag let Sam Cook I found a Nice of Sam Cooke the great singer. Put that out there. I was already on my second glass of multiple by then I'm feeling chains going to come I'm feeling it. Would you What a dope. What a moron. I am I'm you know? Because there are factors in play here. That as a fan I shouldn't. Better. That Greg with three G Williams is such A. Crazy ass coordinator. That, he's going to have his troops whipped into such a frenzy that they will buy the first twenty minutes of the game committed many stupid ass personal foul penalties as they are Jesus in his first name three of them. Three. And Brett rippin sitting back there and he's he's finding his receivers. He's has receivers and McManus's making it made feel goals from. From the Brendan Byrne Arena across the street. Kicking Straight through the Upright Jerry Judy Moss peer to peer. Who did then come up with two interceptions including beautiful toe tapping the sideline and pick six just when I'm thinking a jets are coming back here. They come jets de putting points up on the board for Whirlpool of despair this may actually work. What a dope? What a moron? Because Hey, jets are coming back down by two scores actually come back they got a spot. That the referees might have had as much multiple Chano as I was imbibing decided give them a first down and Hey Mr. Mr Colin defense not working on my timeouts decides throw challenge flag Vic Fangio's alive waking up. Good Challenge. It's now fourth and Short Joe Buck. Who is as you know a great friend and I think great humor, a great human and a great announced Sir and he's sitting there in a time out of the reviews and they gotta go for this. Of course, going I why not your own three and Troy Aikman chuckles ha ha was so funny choice. Trying to win football games you know I mean, right just say forget it. We're wanting twelve or whatever. And I'm sitting there thinking. But still doesn't matter. If you want to twelve or three or three, and whatever. It's obvious. You go forward here because what are you, GonNa do. Kick a field goal and. Let the kid from Boise. State March down the field and beat you. Really, you're going to play it safe. That's what it did. and Joe Buck started feeling feeling as I've been feeling the whole day. Don't. Choke would actually sit there and use logic. And Yell Gumption. And place it upon the New York jets. But Hey. Kick the field, Goal Sam Thick, his crushing it. Crushing it. and. Then here comes the Boise state kid and the jets and free g Williams defense is putting the bank thing on them. And they get off the field. Except for the fact, that Quinton Williams rips the kid down. By his face mask V personal foul penalty, fresh set of downs and you as a jet. Fan Sit there go. There's no doubt in my mind. This boise state kid is going to lead him down the field not a doubt in my brain that he would do that at that point using that extra moment. To his advantage and that's what happened. That's what happened. And you can't see it here jet fans and say, well, Darnold doesn't have this Guy Darnold doesn't have that Guy Donald doesn't have levy on doesn't have this that who the hell of the broncos Brett ripper have. Tim Patrick Utah Third Year buck thirteen running around like he's Rod Smith. One you back. And Melvin Gordon got to put him down on the ground and you bunch them up and he'd such running for flag football touchdown to put it out of reach but not. Enough out of reach. For the jets to finish up. Strong. For me. In my fortunate position of being the host of foam that work coming up on our seventeenth anniversary. Yes. I've seen a lot football. I've talked a lot about football. I've talked a lot about football. Of what I've seen about football I've seen in talked a lot about football essentially what I'm saying I have never seen a walk off personal foul penalty, but the jets were able to shoehorn in sixth. Such. A. Penalty to the point where. We didn't have to worry about social distancing and handshakes after the game 'cause the Broncos were like, let's get the hell off the field because these people are. Lunatics. They. Are Lunatics they're out of their frigging towards that they are personally fouling our quarterback with the game over and they're calling the time outs, burn a timeout to make sure they get the ball back with ten seconds ago and two possession game. Lunatics total complete lunatics. Let's get the hell out of here. Don't shake their hands go back to the locker room. It's safer. It's safer from a personal health standpoint it safer from a public health standpoint just from a health standpoint. Let's get the hell out of here. That's how the jets lost last night. And I thought they would win what a dope. What are more on? Sarah is in. Case closed the daily news headlines saying that the jets the worst in the NFL. And in four is the the headline of the New York Post. Gases safer now, I'd say look I'm not sitting here. I don't call people's heads or whatever. Yeah. Look the jets the jets owner I don't know if he stayed up in the UK to watch the end of this or not was he up to three in the morning? Did they get assume as the feed in the embassy? And I I don't know what's what does it do you fire him and you put the Lunatic At DC. As your age see the rest of the year, that's what you do. Triple G can't do that. And again, there's no fans to say please keep coming to the game you're not. You know what are we gonNA? Do what you do is this Could Sam Darnold deserves better and he's missing throws I mean it's part of it's not all. It's not all circumstance and jets ghosts. Which I know is a very infused word. When you talk about Sam Dot Dance Sam said, he loves Adam Gay I mean he says everything you want a leader of the team to say to take responsibility saying you know I love Adam but it's not my decision. He says everything the right way and does everything the right way that you want your franchise quarterback to say except for making the plays when they need them to be made the most and on that front I say again, let Sam be free. And I know. He can't control what I'm about to say because the giants play a part in it. But. As of right now. In twenty twenty. Sam Darnold has no wins in metlife stadium. And the following people do. Jimmy Ga.. Because he only played half a game. The arapahoe didn't finish Nice Jimmy Hoffa. Neck mullins. And Kid from Boise, state? named. Brett. Remark ripken's nephew who started on three days notice on the road. Without his top receiver without one of his running backs. To major defenders without Blah Blah Blah everybody's without. So. Hung, take a breath. And I figured you know what? I'm watching my team. That's not one in forever in a day. Right? Do its usual thing I was watching Daniel Jeremiah's Sandiego projects slammed Audrey, get not one but two home runs from Fernando Tattoos Junior. One of them that preceded a Manny Machado back to backer that tied the game we'll put them up actually tied tied again tattoos put them up. We'll Myers hit to the padres just when you think they're out, they pull you back in and I said I text them like you own. I what I'm watching between the padres and the jets together. So Daniel Jeremiah Diehard Padre Fan and top notch talent evaluator will be joining us. and. I needed. I just needed I needed the warm embrace of the Voice of Brent Musburger yeah you do. Play by play Voice of the Las Vegas R- raters and the managing editor vs will join us about a big game between the bills and the raiders and just talk about college football and more Brian Billick, got a book coming out and Eddie Olczyk is going to join us to talk about the preakness that's this weekend and make some money. Eight four, four, four, rich, eight, four, four, zero, four, rich. Let's chat. Sports keep coming back. So does your chance to bid on them with our exclusive we doing partner Ben Online Major League Baseball is now in full swing and the NBA has also begun. There's no shortage of ways to get in on the Action Belen has all the odds futures props for you to bet on this a bit online today to check out all the odds and up-to-date sports news don't forget to. Sign up and take advantage of all the welcome back to sports bonuses bed online your online wagering experts, visit our good friends and exclusive partner at podcast. 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Right they need a win and they're playing. Any pretty, pretty much the falcons to any any team that had aspirations of winning their division and Beyond Ellen three, we do that. But we figured these are the. Eagles are winless but the storyline surrounding their quarterback is really oh my gosh, giant story. One thing I want to talk about with Dj. Here too is did you see the again I understand that we're? John Lynch did not. Give any credence to Jimmy G. starting this week. Right? He said it sounded like mcmullan's Nick mullins was the promo that they put up the fight they put up the Promo. On the Fox, Thursday night. Right. Is there any there as question? Eight four four, two, zero, four rich is the number to dial before we get to Daniel Jeremiah. Some covert nineteen related news the NFL just made an announcement is to when they are rescheduling the titans and the steelers and it's basically what we're all expecting correct Kris over there. Yes. Yes. So Titan steelers is now gonNA be week seven Titans Ravens moves from week seven to week eight, which is yours ravens right and then now the ravens have by week week seven weeks. All right and again that's if Minnesota no longer continues to. That's Minnesota's got to keep continuing to test negative but you've been going on and speaking of that. But you know once you test negative does not mean that you won't be positive two or three days down the road. in that respect to from the the real world According to various reports, Joe Biden has tested negative for covid nineteen is I nate cove in nineteen tests come back negative. Joanne his wife join his wife. Yes. Dr Biden as well. All Right, eight, four, four, two, four, which is the number to dial. I was texting with him throughout last night's proceedings of Thursday night football as well as the. Wildcard game the between his beloved padres and the Saint Louis Cardinals. They came back his beloved padres from four down looked like their season was on the brink in in in the you know what? But then the dynamic Fernando Totti's junior starts get rolling. and. Now, the padres have forced to gain three with Louis Cardinals Daniel Jeremiah here in the rich Eisen show what what is it like Dj just tell me because again I'm still waiting for that to happen in my football world what is it like to sit back and see somebody you know is so dynamite and you're going to have him. At your disposal for a very long time. But what's that like Daniel come with? I can't put it into words rich I I've I've suffered through so much bad baseball for the last fourteen years and on top of that, it's bad and boring baseball. You know like at least when the when the poverty of my youth when I was a kid when they were bad, you had tony when was worth the price of admission to go watch Tony in taking nothing away from Tony Who's the greatest you know Padre Bowl climate and arguably the greatest human contact hitter of all time. This is a different level of excitement watching this kid man like it's just it is electric. I feel like you know I've got some mixture of. Junior and Alex Rodriguez and the kids twenty one years old. It's unbelievable the bat flip and look into his dugout to his teammates as he hit the second home run to put them up significantly is I? Mean that should be your avatar on every social media. You have Daniel that's it there I I I actually I actually tweeted it out because our good friend Tom you remember from NFL media group who runs of the T shirt company breaking t they already have a t shirt of it of of him flipping the bats already tweeted that out 'cause that's coming. that. was so fun I. Mean Like I'm trying to figure out like I said the Golden State Warriors before and I know our pitching's all hurt and we probably aren't GonNa go deep into this postseason but in terms of like exciting young teams in sports like, are there any other exciting mtm that this kind of reminds you? It's so much fun to watch You know what? Let me just sit here and nothing. Stop It. Going to get to that in a second. Let. Me Think here, the Blue Jays. Aren't as good as the padres right now but the Blue Jays have a few of those players. The chiefs considered that with mahomes and tyreek in and Hardman and Chris Jones right and. You know. What Layer. How how about Kurt's how about Kurt's team in Saint Louis when they first got role in there that was not only are you good but it was just so fun to watch the way they were playing a game. It was just look different with the greatest show on turf that was fun I don't know maybe you could say the nuggets, the Denver Nuggets that we just saw I don't know like Jamal. Mari. Is I guess TAT would be in that role and Machado would be in the role of Yokich. We might be stretching it here but the, but you know to ask. I'm sure you. You're looking for the trap door quite a bit. You know 'cause when tattoos made that error trying to complete a double play on ball, he should have just eaten and two run score and here come the cardinals were kind of like as I said yesterday or like the baseball's version of the Green Bay packers. Thought maybe it was going to open up a trap door, but it's it's a lot of fun man watching your team and this kid is the real FM deal and it's so fun for even somebody like you know I have no I have no skin in this game. It's just other than it'd be on the mighty ten ninety every day in southern California. In San Diego for sure we're talking tonight. We're talking to that populous right now it's it's it's got to be just a blast. It really must be you know. It's funny like what we'll do is my brother-in-law who's even bigger fan than I. Am like we'll text each other names have just like random padres like kyle blanks. First base for not all that long ago like this is. Bad Baseball Man I know we're this up and I know, and by the way I should mandate it just to be fair and balanced here in southern California Clayton Kershaw struck out thirteen brewers last night, and the whole the whole like postseason problems if you will for him at doing the world series well. I mean that was out Brockman. Don't work. Don't listen to him. He's passed. He's pissed at bats is playing for the dodgers right now. He's very, very upset about that. Not Happy he can't. He can't. Hey. Question for you. I sporadically checking on a dodger so I don't watch every. That's ever not hit a double because every time I've ever seen him taking it bad. He said it double. I. Secure. Amazing you build your whole franchise around the sky you pay them what every once and by the way even if he walks her singles, he winds up on second invariably anyway I mean he's Always scores. It's truly amazed. By the way because I've never Mr big person but he looks tiny six foot like one seventy. So can we all? Now Know Daniel Jeremiah here on the rich Eisen show. Okay. I said earlier this week Dj and this may be the phantom in me coming out that the jets broken Sam. darnold. Please tell me I'm wrong. Am I wrong? Oh. Rich I want to tell you that I really do because you know where I've been on Sam Donaldson through the draft process and through the early portion of his career discouraged. I'm just be honest. I'm just discouraged what I'm seeing and I know so much you but the majority of it is not his fault in terms of what's been. Put around him and what system he's running and and all the other issues that they have there. But I, mean over the last few weeks, we've seen him make some of those mistakes that you should be making you know thirty plus starts in your. NFL career so. and now you start looking where this is headed I. Mean you know the schedule for what what they're up against coming forward I mean. I don't see how this team's not picking the top three at the end of the year. I just I can't see that and then when you look at not only with Trevor Lawrence at the top of this draft, I think there's a couple of other really good quarterbacks. I think things are going to have to change drastically. This is just my opinion you know for this to for this to continue down this road with with Sam there that's just the way it looks right now it's It's a bummer for me but I'll I'll I'll say this if you're if you believe in Sam Darnold, both of us have yes and you look at the success that Ryan Tannehill has had in a new situation with obvious connection there and Sam Darnold in my opinion. Is Infinitely more talented the Ryan Tannehill. So if you end up getting Sam Darnold into an organization, you know like Pittsburgh New Orleans and San Francisco one of those types of places after this year. Would not be shocked in the least if he surpassed what Ryan Tannehill Zona Tessie. Well. Let's let's unpack that a little bit more because you know the jets may have a decision to make. Similar to one that the Arizona cardinals made with their own PAC twelve los angeles-based quarterback when they wound up the first overall selection and saw Kyla Murray sitting there and said, you know what we appreciate all your hard work Josh Rosen. But you're a dolphin now. and. What. What do you think about the possibility the jets are I mean? I saw this morning on my old network thirty percent. They have the best odds right now of winding up with the first overall selection. What do you think of that decision because you know Joe Douglas could make a total bounty in sending away. the rights to Trevor Lawrence or you take Trevor Lawrence and you get what you can, for Sam. darnold. And set him free in the manner that you just described. What do you think DJ? I think that you have whatever option includes the best quarterback because it's a decision that you're going to. You know if you get the right quarterback as we've seen a lot of these franchises, that's fifteen years of play with that guy. So if you think Sam Darnold and you believe in Sam Darnold but you think Sam Darnold is a B. Plus minus and you've got a chance to get what you think might be an a plus talent like somebody Trevor Lawrence, you have to take the eight-plus quarterback there to me there's no decision to be. Made in that case, and at this point time, Sam hasn't shown to be that eight-plus quarterback. So and the other part of it that you'd have to look at to riches that you kind of you know as much as you get out the hall a picks, you would start the clock fresh where now you have five years with with Trevor Lawrence on a cost control contract to build around him, and now at least from where they were previously, you have, you know you have a couple pieces in place in a in a ton of other picks. Be Able to build around your next quarterback. So I think to me that would be if you just ask me what I would do in that situation that's what I would do well, and again, this is part of the reason on we all know again that I'm a jet Fan since since youth and and maybe that's part of the reason why I talk about them a lot but this is a. Large part of the reason but this is national story if you're talking about travel I overall. This is a national football league national football story that we are watching however, just a moment for us to use the kilborn phrase. Darnold is talented enough that you say that he's more talented than the Guy who damn near went to the Super Bowl last year in Ryan Tannehill. So the right system would and set up would provide him the success that he deserves. He deserves. So I wanna read something sage rosenfels tweeted out last night he said he doesn't think Adam game plans for each team they run about three formations and almost never have shifts or motions. Coaches move guys around for multiple reasons specifically to help the QVC the defense in receivers to get off bump coverage the jets lineup, and snap it is that what you see to? Yeah I mean. It's obvious it's very static and you watch a team like the forty niners and look at all their pre snap movement and look at the Rams and all their pre snap movement and what they do offensively, and it's it's just gives you a lot more to think about and they dress things up and they identified coverage motion can help identify coverage for young quarterbacks. You see what they're in you know peyton manning. Here's the thing though Payton when Payton. was playing Peyton like everybody kind of be static because he wanted a defense to get lined up and he could read their mail because he's so smart for instance studied so much right. So he played static and he liked that he didn't want all the other ships. Emotions Will Adam gave you know his his biggest sponsor them land some of these jobs as Peyton manning. peyton manning. This is not Peyton manning back there. So I I I don't like it when I watched the tape of them too I. Just don't see any of the builds you know you know in terms of you look at the Rams and everything they get under center there run action play action. All looks the same they moved to pocket everything that Sam Darnold does well, if you go back and look at. On a weekly basis Sam, darnold, best five plays. At least four of them are out of the offense are of him just scrambling around and making something happen. There's there's not like those designed winners inside the offense I just. It's frustrating it's frustrating to watch because it's just it doesn't look like good offense football doesn't really good game planning good design doesn't look like good play calling and one thing that I think's been lost a little bit this year and I love to get your take on it because I know how intently you watch this. I actually think especially when Becton has been healthy. The offensive line and pass there has been better this year. No those sacked last night Balaj gave up two of them stand held the ball too long on two of them. They're actually a little bit better in that area and I think they're getting crucified for for the running offense but they don't have any speed. I'm afraid or the hall of Famer and I. One of my favorite players of all time Franks thirty seven years old. And he can't. He just doesn't have any juice to hit any increases and then on a key down, you're calling a wheel route thirty, seven year old running back like what are you doing? Daniel Jeremiah here on the rich Eisen show. So the subject of our poll question ask it of Daniel Jeremiah, will you please because it does involve some quarterbacks in some situations that might be a touch dire based on week four action. What do you have over there? Chris Dj who needs a win most this weekend cowboys. Smell. Yeah go for DJ EXPOUND ON. that. please. Yeah, Carson Carson needs a win like. Literally and figuratively here he's gotta get some confidence back. It's it's I've never seen him miss some of those. He's missed over the last couple of weeks and bad misses and that speaks to me of some some mechanical flaws which are fixable But the bigger concern for me is just he's just not playing confident and he saw him just take off kind of with some reckless abandon as a runner. I think that was kind of some frustration that he's just not locked in right now but division it's Not going anywhere they they still are alive there, but they need carson to get Mojo back. It's incompetence back and I think they could. They could get things turned around a little bit here but he's he's got to get back to being the Carson Wentz. We saw during that NPR and shoot. He just had to get back to being the guy. We saw last year led a team with a bunch of backups to the playoffs played well. The F. Study Dj he's got the yeah, it looks like. When you have the the plate of mile, sanders down the sideline and you set that up and have a double move if he's got five yards separation and you put it ten yards. Over his head like you just you that's that's not something you. I'm used to seeing from Carson Wentz. So he's got a knock that you've got knocked out of his system and He just needs one good game and Kinda refill that confidence tank and I think they could get rolling but it has not looked pretty, and then I guess more close to your home to finish things up you are along with the Matt Money Smith Part of the Los Angeles chargers radio broadcast team here locally Justin Herbert going to take a visit to TB twelve this coming weekend. What did you make of the whole conversation about he's a he's a backup for a reason just in Herbert in his first game against Kansas, city and then losing to Carolina what do you make of the quarterback situation there Daniel? Yeah. I. Mean Look it's unusual just with what happened with tyrod You know what the health situation that I've never I've never. Seen that before that's a you know it's a totally unique situation, but I would chalk up a little bit of the anti comments to some frustration after immediately after that chiefs game in a game, you felt like you. You played better. You really kind of outplayed the Kansas City chiefs majority of that game and you had you know unfortunately a big mistake by Herbert in there but surrounded by a bunch of other really good place and then I thought last week. Again. He had the the one. Kind of rookie mistake on the interception before the half, which was a six point swing, which was huge. But he made, she made five or six just big time throws in that game. Starting to use his legs more in and do some things there we know what a great athlete is just to me I look at it and see kind of what's the threshold you need to meet to stay on the field as a rookie quarterback and and I think he's met that in other words he's not swimming. It's not too big for him. There's more good than bad. There's going to be growing pains but I think just Herbert has showed himself very well and I'm anxious to see. You know he keeps piling up some of these starts. If he keeps getting them I, think you're GONNA see only. All right. Where are you going to watch game three? The rubber match Sir What Are you? GonNa do later today we're GONNA do that. Yeah I. Think it's a I just think it's a stay in the same spotted yesterday rich guy up argue that guy. One, hundred percent well, I don't know if I'm not because we only go to the postseason every fourteen years so. That's a good one. Aright. Lunch do everything same well, you know he's got a new shirt. We know he's got a new shirt. Bachelor baby congratulations. I feel like this interview rich was a lot of positive at the beginning a little a little sprinkle positive at the end and a whole lot of just tough conversations in the middle. Well Go. It was good. It's you know it's kind of like the anti double stuff because the double double stuffed cookies debt the good stuff in the middle of the hard stuff the ends. So. You interview thing I could think of. The. Yankees communist slammed Diogo bringing their grand grand. Slam. Sticks out there we're common. We'd better get some new windows in the middle building. It's come Colin I dj. Thanks again for the for the two cents. Appreciate it. You got. Daniel Jeremiah here on the rich Eisen show. You know in George I didn't WanNa bring it up because it. I, want to be nice when GIO or shell hit the Grand Slam against the Indians to give. A fleeting lead in game two. It was apparently the third. Grand Slam Yankees have ever hit in the postseason to give them a lead. Jim Maritz. Grandsons the three round shot off of all there's. Not. The last one was Tino Martinez in game. One of the world series against the San Diego padres when Mark Langston had him caught look. That was strike three. Instead it was called ball three next pitch. And in the Yankees didn't lose the rest of that world series. Too I know toughness of you bring up. Nice but I saw that at the bottom like the last one was Tino. Martinez game when we're all remember that one that was strike three for Mark Langston right down the middle of the plate dominant I know. Joe, s behind the plate for Angel Hernandez could have been Richie Garcia. Jeffrey Mares Best Friend And the other thing to just bring it up real quick. We'll take a break phone call set up the rest of the show all that good stuff. No nothing to me shows a sign of a coach that does not. Understand how to win and I know I am saying. Something from my seat here in Los Angeles to New Jersey but nothing makes me more upset. When I hear stuff that it's my system and we'RE NOT GONNA, change it and Sam. darnold. Be Sitting here saying I am very comfortable with your system I. Like it just like peyton manning I don't want movement I don't want that 'cause I'm GonNa decide what to do based on what I'm seeing an I know what the defense is doing and so keep it the way it is Adam. We're cool. We're on the same page, but when your quarterback could potentially be serviced by helping him decipher defense pre snap with movement with motion moving around. Move your offense around. Because right now, you are continuing to bang your head against the same wall. I hear that and it's just like calm on. Man. Really. Really. And then. Your own four nothing's working right now and the whole world wants you out. It's got to be tough Rodham gays and I feel for the Guy I do. Sand. Deserves better. We'll take a break. We'll hear from Adam Gates eight, four, four, zero, four rich number to dial when we come back for the NBC audience a special videos for you on how to find us on peacock. 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On just like everybody else you know everybody in this town actually make a movie I imagine major happen did write a book though I did not know that he didn't look it's right there. What's the name of the book? That's what she said that's your book. That's my book. You. Didn't know that I did not know that I mean for his one which I think is that's what she said to I. Mean we weren't. We worked together a lot but we still know everything about each other yet. Yeah. Is it available anywhere books are sold well I. Don't know where that is nowadays because apparently no one reads books anymore but it's true. It's not true. Amazon Random House. Could you barnes and noble? Okay. Yeah. Can we get a signed copy of course? You know. tastic ritual trade you for signed copy of total accident because you said I'm. Going to get a signed copy if if the divorced Mike del Tufo was here, he would say that's what she said. GonNa signed copy of that. Okay So then do we have Adam gazes response. Okay, he was asked about A. Lot, of jet fans watch out. We met him many times right at the combine. Combine he was he was super no no no taller than you think to. Right he is in that category. ME, Whoa? Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah. Sort of like Kris maddox he's like the Chris Magnanimous Daryl Maury Maury taller than you think Elon Musk taller than you think are good. Okay. So then here was Adam Gates after dropping one for. Adam. Would you say fans who don't WanNa see you be the coach of this team pass tonight. I know. We're working to get this thing, right? I mean. Not Happy about this. I mean, I know we can play better than this. I know we can. Not beat ourselves. Do things are doing. it's just like how do you? How do you answer something like that? Wouldn't it be great if the coach knows it's time he's going to get the trunk call from the embassy in the UK. And just. A block number I. Hope so I don't. Yeah, I would think it's gotta be block number I, mean the US embassy right and and and just say here here's what I say the jets fans. Screw. You. You know what? I mean. Screw you what do you think I'm not trying over here. What do you think? What do you think? I I sure I hired Greg with three G Williams but he's bat. Guano. Crazy. But what do you think? My fault that defenders six times committed personal fouls. Last night is it my fault? That Greg. But. Just that's just take this kid from Boise state out. Let's take about. Me Pound my chest. Kill. The had all that nonsense. I'M GONNA get myself into trouble I'm just I'm just being why I am away I'm in. China get banned from Metlife is that oh? I don't want to I don't want to. I don't want to. Know. Please because. You know obviously, the the jets have not performed in the manner in which I would be. Happy Right. And I don't think Gary V's net worth is there just yet. They respond I don't think that's. Say Gary I. Don't think I said, how's your net worth doing? Work on term sheet you know it's long been his dream to buy the. So I don't think he responded that's one of those fight club things that you can. You can if you want to own a team in the NFL. And I know I should know better. But again, I was probably unlike glass six of multiple. That you ask them what his network. How's it working? The best part about it is you started it with Bro. By the way, you're not large glasses, their cups. Beak a lot you know. Hit last night it's all right. All right. Not you're not driving anywhere. Definitely on no no no. So I've just like, but put it all together. You know the Johnson family and their ownership of the jets. Again, even touch James Dolan don't put me in in the Dolan blackall don't know. You can't even. No way someone said, you should go have these on just reading the comments underneath your about half with Gary the jets I'll go with Gary. got. Really. I will say, this I will go. I will I will. Be Part of Gary V's ownership group. In the same way. That on the day that Jordan scored fifty five in the garden he and bill. Wennington combined for fifty seven points. That's the way. I would probably be able to contribute wine in that same vein by the way on the Bill Wennington. He's George. Got It. You know watching that was as helpers fan I was feeling last night rich I was like this is like the clippers and the jets can have some type of coalition that we can commiserate. TJ I think I Think I. Think you think you're being helpful here. But I'm not no. Okay No. Honestly. I adore you and I never once thought about having your Mike cut off. But right now is that moment I'm just I would just say I'm not in the mood. Came from them and I'm not in. The. Mood. I appreciate that plus amount better mood your handful one I'm about to talk to Brent Musburger is a delight to I. See phone lines are lit. 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How Dante Pettis could cost the 49ers Deshaun Watson

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How Dante Pettis could cost the 49ers Deshaun Watson

"What is good everybody. Welcome to another niners nation. Podcast i am rob stats carrera flying solo today at least hosting wise where we do have a very special guest for andrew. Some remind you please rate review and subscribe to the niners nation. Podcast network really. Do enjoy them. Contrary to conventional wisdom we do read the comments so please keep them coming. I am very excited on this friday. We have a very special guest. You've heard of mine with nine or nate earlier this year. When i heard it i immediately said to myself like this is somebody that i want to have on so i am very excited to speak with vici- coumarin from the blake in vici- youtube channel. Also mondays with grant cohen. What is up. Hey what's going on. Thank you for having me on any time no problem. There's a lot of forty niners stuff. I wanna get to both just stuff. That's rattling around in my own head and also some of the news Adam peters got promoted to assistant general manager today. Congratulations to adam peters. We'll get to that. I want to get to some stuff about sam darnold and potentially the price for him and whether the forty niners should pursue that or what other backup quarterback options they may go after and last at least there was this weird little nugget about jimmy garoppolo and the patriots that popped up early on friday a too. So we're gonna get to all that. Let's start with the atom. Peter stuff i saw. It wasn't exactly unexpected. Congratulations you're the new assistant. Gm change the business card. That's great here's my question to you this. How long do you think. Adam peters is going to be the forty niners assistant. Gm because he was almost the panthers. Gm this offseason. Yeah i think it's going to be about one year. Maybe two just because even when the way the thing was reported with field yates he said this is a guy that a lot of people expect to be. Gm very soon so that tells you that field. Yates who's very plugged in telling you that this is a move that it could be very short term for adam peters and who knows maybe he's the gm of the forty niners and john lynch gets promoted. A lot of people have speculated that move for a couple of years. I don't know much about that but that's something to look but to me. It's one to two years for adam peters. I don't think his promotion is really that big of a deal. I think it's just kind of reward for good work. I don't think it really changes much. I think he's still going to have the same job. Descriptions had the last few years. And i think that their front office is going to operate. The exact same way has last beers. Let's play that out right okay. So adam peters becomes the gm they promote. john lynch. what would he be doing. Exactly john lynch. You're not the gm but you're above the gm. But like what would he do. So i think the thing that john lynch brings that i think a lot of people. Don't give enough credit to as if you remember before. John lynch dot hired the big problem. Jed york was having was that the coach and the gm were not being able to work together. So balking harbaugh had a problem. There was reportedly friction between bulky and chip kelly and so when he hired john lynch his message to the forty niners the organization to fans and everybody was that he wanted to find a coach in gm that could work in lockstep. That's what he did in. I hiring kyle shanahan finding a gm that can work with kyle shanahan and jump in john lynch and so i think the big thing that john lynch really is that i think he's able to connect everybody together manage the entire situation and to me in the nfl and coaching and head coaching When people are looking for hires think there is a lot of schematic. Emphasis when management is often understated underrated. That's why you get a lot of young bright offensive. Coordinators get hired very early and you find out that they're unable to manage the entire pitcher and managing hold team while a guy like john harbaugh has lasted in baltimore for twelve years because he excels it solely management and so two john lynch credit and i think what he would bring even if he's not bringing i don't know what his personal minutes. Maybe it's phenomenal. I don't know. But if he's not bringing that i think he will bring someone who's able to manage in tire pitcher organization with a a ton of class in a ton of professionalism. See i think that thing. That lynch brings is mostly one. He was hired by kyle shanahan so he might disagree with him but ultimately he's going to do what kyle wants but to he gets to do all the interviews. He's like the public face and voice of the team. Kyle does like some very very few. I think kyle wants nothing to do with that to me. That's the biggest thing. John lynch brings. He's the guy that does the hit with cayenne biard. He's the guy that you know is out there when when something happens with the niners and kyle doesn't have to deal with it. Yeah i think. I think that's part of it. And he has proven to be a very good speaker in front of the media. It's something he's comfortable doing again. His predecessor trent balki wasn't very good at it. Yeah he had stock into. It was something that made him very uncomfortable. You was just soley. Football guy and john lynch seems to excel at it. He's really good at it. And i think that that's something that cannot be understated because the nineties have gotten very favorable press the last three or four years which is a big left. Turn from the press. They were getting two years three years prior. So i think a lot of that has to do with the fact that john lynch is just likeable and people in the media will say good things about people. They liked john lynch kids. It's time for people in the media. And i think that that favorable press is something that you might lose if you lose. John lynch or john lynch isn't part of the organization in the same fashion. Yeah you're right about the favorable press for a team that's lost ten games in three of the last four years. They certainly got a lot of love from their own. Beat writers right. They get a tunnel watson they. It's not just like the beat writers from the national media. I mean you look at some of the failures that this regime has had from drafts and point like you go back to trent bulky bulky also had a couple of very good drafts like twenty ten even though stomach logan was there was mainly trent foggy and he picked navarro bowman he picked. Anthony davis he'd picked mike you party. Twenty eleven at the time to three years later was looked. At as one of the great drafts of all time with alden smith and chris culliver and obviously colin kaepernick. So you look at those two drafts and then of course. Twenty twelve was terrible. Twenty two hundred a couple of players. Twenty four you're still have jimmy ward. Who stole around one of the best players in the niners. Twenty fifteen yielded eric. Armstead twenty sixteen gotcha and quasi tar twenty six got force buckner. So he's still provided us decent number of core players that were still remaining produce regime the name that's been circulating through twitter. I think crank honed brought him up. Today was solomon thomas. And if you look at the coverage that the niners have gotten for the salman thomas pick it's been mighty favorable. Bears get blamed because they traded up that one spot for mitchell trubisky mitchell trubisky has had one season in the nfl where he invade the proble. He's also had a couple of winning records. The nfl starting quarterback now. I don't use those two things to evaluate quarterback play and he hasn't been a good quarterback especially compared to the two quarterbacks taken after were hall of famers but many thomas is yet to have even a string of a couple of games where he shows being anything besides a rotational peace and he was the third pick in the draft. And so i think for those reasons you really have to look at john lynch and just stay. There is something he's bringing where the niners aren't getting scrutinises. They should be or could be for the things that have happened in this region and they also traded back into the first round in two thousand seventeen to draft. That couldn't even get through the combine medical review without getting kicked out and they were patting themselves on the back for trading back into the first round and take reuben foster. Who of course was off the team. And then because it fostered and stick around the had to overpay kwan alexander. It was a whole thing but everybody knows knows that story. But i agree. Lynch has got to be providing something and maybe the favorable presses it because like you said. It's i mean the salman thomas thing iding the forty niners for that for ever and i've been told by a lot of people that i need to just move on while it was hard to move on when the quarterback they should drafted was beating them in the super bowl. That's all i'm saying. I it's it's i can't forget that too quickly before we move on though i did want to touch on one thing you brought up. I think that's really important. Because i think that point that you just made is going to really dictate the success of the forty niners the next two years you brought up the fact that they treated up reuben foster reuben foster didn't work out. They overpaid per kwan alexander. We've seen this pattern in this regime. Trade up two picks to get dante pettis. Dante pettis doesn't workout trade. Two picks to get emmanuel sanders can't re signed him and then trade. Three picks to brandon you now. Brandon ultimately is the great pick. What you just lost. What seven draft picks. Because you had to get edison student workout you can retain standards but you need sanders to make it to the super bowl and now you lost three possible players to get brand. That's that's where when you have to start playing. Pay your best players in franchise which is what the niners are going to start doing. Cato got paid. Fred warner is going to be paid. There's a lot of people that are going to be paid on. Do hope you drafted well enough to maintain death in your because your depth is going to start. Getting and the niners. Mrs on draft picks and the utilization of resources to through value charts. They valued the wide receiver position. They wanted a wide receiver like uk. They thought pettit was going to be that guy he wasn't they had to get sanders when you have to do those types of small things to get it when you're tuned that's not very good not paying anybody and has a ton of resources doesn't mean anything twenty twenty one twenty twenty two. That's when we're going to see how much those mistakes come back to her. Before the niners. I have never actually connected those dots. Before with the wide receivers with the perez emmanuel sanders dots. That is fascinating to me because it helps explain how the forty niners got in the situation that they're in over and over and over we've heard john lynch and kyle shanahan and even adam peters earlier this off season say that this draft is hugely important to the forty niners that they have to restock their roster and i think it may be part of the reason that they are not going all out for watson because they need these draft picks. Because like you said they've had to give up so much capital throughout the years to make up for their mistakes that you can't keep kicking the can down the road forever and so here's where we are. Yeah i think that that's exactly it. I never put the. I never connected those dots. Man that is you're blowing my mind right now like they could potentially miss out on a twenty five year old absolute stud of a quarterback not just because but partly because they missed on dante pettis and twenty eight t. That is that's ridiculous. yeah. I mean it's hurt them in different ways to i mean if you look at it i think john lynch and kyle shanahan the one thing. They've made very clear in their franchises. Am a very strict value chart so they value positions in a great order. And you can see that if they think a guard is worth three million dollars only gonna pay three million dollars in. It's something where you look at. Get rid of mike person right. The right guard in two zero line when big west went out wasn't wasn't the biggest issue. I still think that quarterback play has hurt this offense of wine a lot more. I am in that line of thinking but but their idea to replace mike person which just give the same. Three million dollars to tom com. Who was just an absolute bust. And it's where you have to start asking yourself with. The niners is there value chart and they're they're strict disciplined to remain tied to your exact value players. That earning what they're doing here. I don't know it's it's fascinating because we're gonna see a lot clear out over the next two years that's going to dictate is kyle shanahan. The coach still in twenty four twenty three and twenty twenty four. I think that in general of value driven organization like the forty niners is a very good thing. I think it helps with your process. What i also think and this is something i wrote about him. Niners nation dot com a little while ago. There comes a time when you have to go away from that when you have to recognize certain people certain decisions need to be made beyond the value chart because of the impact that they can have not a lot. You can't keep making exceptions again and again and again but once in a while there are decisions that had to be made that go beyond the value. Char i happen to think quarterback is one of them. I happen to think shawn watson. Ease one of them. You know. I think that if they were going to give up a there is a package that they could put together to get to shawn watson. Maybe it's way more than anyone willing to pay. But they can do it. It might include. Both sides might include whatever the case is but they can't do it. I think that they should do it. That they should throw the value chart to the wind and make the move. I don't know if they ever will do that. Which makes me wonder how they're going to end up with the franchise quarterback so two things you brought up here. That were very interesting to me. The one thing is the first thing about shawn watts. So you asked me this question. Two months ago. I'm a big value chart guy. I like analytics as much as i like watching football and all that so i would have said no. Will you know three first round picks couple of defensive starters. All bad is too rich to mean that went out that that that logic is of thrown out the door. Because it's desperate time. Like don't wanna seem desperate. They don't wanna admit they're desperate but they have a roster. That really has a window. Twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty twos window is still a giant question. Mark and the rams went all in push the chips that table and went and got matthew stafford. The arizona cardinals had in my opinion. Top twelve quarterback in tyler murray seattle seahawks as long as russell wilson pete carroll there. I don't know if they'll ever winning super bowl again but they're gonna win ten football games and it's needed so that means that the niners to compete they they gotta get desperate your shawn watson cap it in twenty twenty one is only ten point five two million dollars theoretically you can have the absolute most stack roster with shawn watson and twenty twenty one and don't make a run and go all in on twenty twenty one so that's one thing i wanted to say the other thing i wanted to say. Is you brought up. The idea of quarterback is one of those positions to you that go beyond value. And you know to me. It's actually one of the funniest things in sports because everybody wants to be idealistic and noble. Say you do whatever you can go. Get your franchise quarterback and then teams do whatever they can to go get their franchise quarterback and they say they paid we. The niners were smart to balk at the price. Stafford on iran's did everything they can to go get him but they were stupid. The the niners smart. Well that that doesn't wind up to me. It's it's either. You do whatever you can to go. Get him when you get him. You have to compliment the team that got him or it's because the line of thinking is whenever somebody goes all in. We criticize it puts me. What the rams are doing while it's crazy while it's something that i would never do while it's goes against everything i've ever learned in the last fifteen years of my life watching football it's respectable and commendable from the standpoint of. They really understand their their option. After treating for jaylen ramsey's either to win this year next year. Not win again. Because they don't pick they don't have capital and they don't have money to move around and so they didn't think golf was the guy they were right about that in my opinion and they went and got a guy who under On particularly very high on matthew stafford. And i'm excited to see how it turns out with them. But i think you bring up that great point that when people say i mean i'll shanahan said it when you see a guy can be one of the five best guys in the league. Do whatever you can to go down on. That guy is right there in the shawn watson. he's not be. he is one of the five best is in the league. So we'll see if they do do whatever they can to get. I just don't understand it. You don't get extra points if you win a super bowl without getting to shawn watson. it's not worth more than a super bowl that you would win if you got him and it worked out. You don't get extra points for sticking to your value chart like it's a pass fail business and the forty niners regime and i love kyle. Shanahan love him. I think he's amazing but they have failed basically pretty spectacularly for three out of the four years. Let's be honest like there's no other way to put it. I know this context and circumstances there. And i get it. But the rams strategy is working they renting. They're going to the playoffs. The forty niners are not and they're not even that close really so i just. I hope that they see that. It's time like you said kind of to get desperate to make a move because just doing what you're doing. Hope is not a strategy. The big thing for them is. I think i think like this context of talking about what's matters organization to organization right. He's not the right fit for every organization. The reasons the right fit for the niners is because there isn't a long term plan here with the forty niners. They're still not committed to jimmy garoppolo so even if they run it back. Bring a ton of guys back. They're still not one hundred percent. Restructuring garoppolos contract insane. He's the guy which means that there isn't a long term play your regardless of how many employers you have on your roster twenty twenty three if the quarterbacks out there which is why i think they are in place and the organised spot where they might have to get desperate because to me these next two years especially twenty twenty one is the year. Yeah i mean. I i did. This inauguration day levin black and i who hosts the thursday show on the niners nation podcast network just did a look like how many people do you think will. Can you definitely say we'll still be with the forty niners in four years and guess what the list is like. Maybe one honestly even if you include kyle shanahan in that list like the how many guys i mean i'll ask you in four years. Would you say definitely one hundred percent you know. We're going to be on the forty niners. George kittle warner. Wis kind of stopped for me. I mean honestly. I would if i would throw kid on the for shawn watson in a second in fact one of the first guys. I would offer up here at three first. Round fixing kittle. I would do that deal and be thrilled if that was all. Yeah i mean. I think you'd have to consider it just because of the player that the texans are offering i think the big thing for the niners and i do want to touch on this aspect of it because i think this is a detail of it. That's kind of outside of the control of what we've been talking about. And it's consistent reports has been from guys like adam schefter has been that the texans don't aren't moving to shawn watts. They don't seem ready to do business and to me. The niners big issue is that that two point four million dollars to cut. Garoppolo is up. Til juniper staffer june i is money becomes guarantee and i think the texans are the type of petty organization. Where they're going to wait for this to get ugly. They're gonna make the sean. They're going to ask the questions of sean. Are you willing to sacrifice your body. Are you willing to not come to camp. And they're gonna of course painted as the bad teammate. Because he's not coming to camp with his team and all of bad so it's going to get up for me and i don't think the niners are in a position to weight that out. I think they got him. Make some move. Whether it's it's gotta be some move made whether you're committing to jimmy whether you're trading upper quarterback whether you're drafting a quarterback whether you're trading sean sean. I think that they have to make one of those three or four moves. One of them has to be made so there is a plan here because right now they look like a team. That's just trying to pit it to the next factor the next guy to the next guy. Let's figure this out. Your quarterback is supposed to help you and right now jimmy. Garoppolo is not consistently healthy. His plays not consistently good on the field and his contract is such right now. Because they're afraid to restructure it. It's hamstring the team and preventing them from freeing up more catherine to bolster the team around him. So you are not getting anything from that position right now. And that's the thing for me. The forty niners could use more capra. Who can't right. There's a way to do that. You can restructure your quarterback and free up cap room except they don't wanna do that because they know he's not the guy so you know he's not the guy what are you doing. There's an expression what must be done eventually. Must done immediately. Why keep yourselves held hostage. The rams just got rid of jared goff the most untradable unmovable contract in the league. That's all we were told again and again. Well guess what he suited up for the lions next year so why i just cannot see them doing nothing and and thinking that. That is the best possible way to move forward. Yeah i one hundred percent agree. It's got to be one of those three apprehension moves. It's gotta be. Go get draft your quarterback in whatever fashion whether it's trading off trading down whatever whatever you think it is but draft him makes the move for watson. Who's clearly clearly a huge upgrade regardless for most quarterbacks evenings giant upgrade from jimmy or restructure jimmy. show your faith in jimmy and go sign a bunch of people. like reese Go get trent williams. Bring him back. Bring back jason bread bring back to quasi carton have this loaded team and try to recreate twenty nineteen. But you can't sit here and do nothing. Let's take a break and when we come back. I have a little sort of draft conspiracy since you mentioned moving up. I want to go through. How i think that that might happen. And why we haven't seen anything right now so let's take a break and when we come back. We'll do that more she. 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Welcome back to the niners nation podcast network okay. So let's just say since you mentioned it before. We went to break fish. That the forty niners decide. They're going to move up in the draft for their quarterback. But it's gonna take some pics because there's a few teams that are ahead of the niners. That i think want quarterbacks. I think atlantic go quarterback i think that philadelphia could absolutely go quarterback. So they're they're going to have to move up i think. Is it possible that they work out a scenario. Where maybe on draft day. Or right. I would say on draft day. They move a jimmy garoppolo to the patriots to acquire a draft. Pick that they then use a package to move up higher in the draft. That cantrade jimmy geeta. The patriots now picks because that kind of tips their hand but if they wait a little while and do it during the draft. Maybe they have a better chance to sort of get ahead of those other teams. Does that make sense. Or am i crazy. No i think that's actually best scenario. If they like one of the draft quarterbacks trae land. So zack. Wilson adjusting fields. If they like one of those guys show much that they have to get him and obviously they can't then obviously then you can't jimmy or can't move jimmy. I think the big thing with that is that you're keeping jimmy's twenty seven million dollars cap hit on the books. So the big thing is of course. Prog rock genius. But when you're going into re-sign jason garrett and you're going into re-sign trent williams. How do you structure it where it all fits under the contract until you move jimmy and then you're replacing him with very cheap rookie starting quarterback so i think that would be the big thing to look at what otherwise i think if they're still in the mood where they wanna move jimmy garoppolo which at this point like we know that they're not one hundred percent sold on him but we don't know if they're one hundred percent into moving him. I mean chapters big prediction. Yesterday was that he thought that the niners were going to stick with jimmy. So we don't know those those parts those details to it. But if that's how they feel that. I think that would be the best case scenario. Which of those. Three quarterbacks assuming obviously trevor lawrence is already gone. So i'm talking zack. Wilson trae lanson justin fields. Do you think the forty niners would want. I justin fields. I i don't. I can't really tell. What the forty niners. Yet and full full disclosure. I've really only really gotten into watching zack. Excuse me zach wilson. I've seen a few tv games of justin fields in a few tv games of trae lands and i liked justin fields. The most to me. Zack wilson is the most creative of the three. And you've got the highest ceiling. But i think just just been consistent. We solid very good player. And i think within this offense he can be a really good player. But i think all three have extremely Positive physical traits to look at and be excited about. They all have strong arms. The all can move. They all can throw off platform. They all can do a variety of different things where you look at the raw skill sets and you'd say with file shanahan theoretically should work. Because they're physically so gifted one name. Sorta got out there on friday with sam darnold who according to some reports could be available for a second round pick which to me means he'd probably end up getting traded for like a third round pick but a lot of forty niners twitter as thrown out sam darnold. And here's the thing i've said about sam. He's got the same problems as jimmy. He can't stay healthy and he turns the ball over plus. I'm actually curious. Do we really know for sure that sam darnold is that much. Better than josh rosen. Because they already have. Josh rosen and rosen's hell of a lot cheaper than darnold will be. I think we can say yet. So i like rosen. More than darnold in that draft i. Donald was really lawn rack lacking polish. I thought the andrew luck compares for so rich because andrew luck was literally up like a top fifteen quarterback in the nfl. His senior year of college. In sam darnold was not like that. Good in the pocket to be honest in college. And so i thought that was crazy. I thought it was a little hyped up because of usc. But i think donald has proven that he is a better player than rose in removes better than rosen. He's been more accurate than rosen. I think rosen displaced to slow. That's been his big problem. He played too slow in arizona. He played too slow in miami. Even though he had a great game is i start verse. Seattle i thought he looked very promising. I was so happy as a guy. that like. Josh rosen a lot. But i i just think that that's when you can bet on. Not big thing with darnold is that there's just such a lack of polish to his game. He's so raw and that's part of the Think people like about him right. He's twenty three years old. You can still mould them into whatever you want. But how long is that gonna take. That's the big thing if you have you have to ask yourself with. If you're the forty niners. I think there is a scenario. Where sam darnold's a good starting quarterback two three years down the road. But i think it's gonna take one to two developmental years with him in a coach and going through that process in the niners. Don't have time for those one to two developmental years. And the other thing for me would sam donald is that after that you're one or actually suited trade princeton. This offseason you have to make a decision on whether you want to pay him. Twenty five million dollars in its this year and let's say you say no to that. Then he's a one year rental who's gonna hit the three agent market and if he plays any sort of solid football like what's he plays like twenty nine hundred jimmy garoppolo. Then you're going to be paying him thirty million dollars because he's a free agent and you have to pay that for him to remain. You're starting quarterback and so for me. There's just too many questions like that. I know people throughout the ryan. Tannehill comparison ryan tannehill with adam gates was just a better player than what sam darnold shown he was more polished. He played like a veteran. he was consistent. He was very accurate. I i know rich madrid writes film reviews for nine hundred nations. Well he posted a great threat about how adam gazes offense doesn't take advantage of sam darnold's athleticism and to me. That was part of the thing that he didn't take advantage of ryan. Tannehill lettuces them. What it's apples to oranges to me. Ryan tannehill was just better. You went ten six with adam gates. I don't put stock into quarterback wins. But he would stand ryan tannehill and adam gates had a winning record together. I think if he doesn't tears. Acl they might put me the playoffs twice. Though tannehill was playing a little nervous coming off that injury that second year so i don't think that's the comparison. I'm not a big fan of it. But i would i understand why people like it Yeah i just don't know why the forty niners are going to the walmart you know that been of. Dvd's at walmart that are next to all the dvd's you actually wanna buy. You don't look for your quarterback in that been like. That's not how you do it especially when you have a coach it's as good as kaushalya and it's kind of amazing to me because i think in kyle's mind he thinks all i need is a guy that can just do this like i'll tell the guy where to throw the ball aga. He doesn't need to be that great. I can get through with him. Which is a complete backwards logic to finding a quarterback. You gotta do with sean payton. Does you get an elite offense of coach. You pair them with a hall of famer and then you put up incredible numbers and have a lot of success. But i think kyle thinks he doesn't need that and i think that's that's backwards thinking. I think that i think that. May i think that that's what a lot of the reason hammered with kirk. Cousins is right because kirk cousins won't make the mistakes that jimmy garoppolo aches. He's a better thrower than jimmy. Garoppolo especially down the field. Grower and kyle feels that you know they have a working relationship that works he gets along really well with kirk and we can make it work from that standpoint. So interesting tidbit. I'll throw a chew on matinee. Oakwoods podcast sage rosenfels went on and he basically seemed to imply that he felt that kyle. Shanahan is no longer married to that idea. That kirk cousins would be as ultimate get at quarterback. The way i read his statement was he said from the standpoint of i think piling kubiak talk and i'm sure they would have a conversation about kirk and i'm not sure pile would feel that way and what i took from that is that maybe i don't think kubiak felt as great about kirk cousins as maybe kyle shanahan felt prior in batch Be and kyle shanahan. So that's what. I read that situation. I think it's really interesting to think about. But i think the ultimate thing is that you gotta go get a quarterback like today's nfl. There's so much there for the quarterback if you have a guy that can do things outside of the structure of the offense and do things within the structure of your offense. Patrick mahomes shawn watson and you have an opportunity to get him like you've gotta you've gotta open every door at least consider and talk about in really really convince yourself that there's a reason you should. I totally agree. I said it yesterday. But i know it's against the rules but i think that kyle should find a way to get a bug into sean watson's ear or his agents ear and say look what we can do together. Look what i. Here's what i wanna do here. So i'm gonna use you. You know. this is what i think we can do together. Because i think that the only way that watson ends up with the forty niners is if he flexes his muscle and kinda strong arms. The texans into doing it. He can say to them. Look it's in the nfc so you could save face with that. You'll still get some pics. You'll get some good defensive players if they can convince watson that san francisco's the spot for him and he goes to the texans and says i got my no trade clause. You can't go anywhere except where i say. That's how they have to engineer this thing. I i know. It's against the rules. But i also know it happens because there's a reason matt stafford ended up with the rams to thrown out there. Yes of course. And i think that would be the best case scenario. I don't know just going back to the sam darnold point. It's just something that. I i'm just not so into i. He's just a guy that had a great pre-draft reputation. The media loves his cohen. Well yeah he's had to go through hell in a new york with what he's had to go through. Every young quarterbacks who failed has had to go through hell in whatever situation. They had to go. Through i i remember being a kid and i'll alex smith was one of the first players i ever saw drafted by the forty niners. That was the biggest. Alex smith fan and no body gave alex smith. The excuse of mike nolan making him play on his bed shoulder. Seven different offensive coordinators. The fact that alex smith when he came out with a quarterback that was comfortable in the shotgun with the game spread out and he was released. Mark we can you where to go with the ball pre snap and he would just wanted the field open up and they tried to put him in archaic offenses where you're running. Twenty one twenty two personnel having him under center in the i formation handing it off to frank gore and all that but nobody really gave frank alex smith any of those excuses and to me. Sam darnold is lucky from the standpoint that he's gotten all the excuses that i think every young quarterback should get but at some point like it's like the phillies situation from last year. Why are you calling bad. Receivers bad offense of wine bed but quarterback play also bed. Yeah the both of those things are all of those things i should say can be true and i think it's the same thing with the forty niners a lot of the time. Like the jimmy defenders like to point to the offensive line and the blocking. It's not very good. It's like yeah that can be true and the quarterback can still play bad. They don't operate in a vacuum of one another. Well we'll see where it goes. The quarterback talk has has never seem right. It's exhausting and it feels like until the niners eight one of those moves that we've mentioned earlier it's gonna be never ending. And if they don't Restructure jimmy and they go into next season with jimmy. It's gonna take jimmy garoppolo starting week one and being on the field and everybody to see it for us to stop this conversation. 'cause post june first. Then the matt ryan speak come cheaper for the forty niners to get. And if the falcons sacred quarterback than that will be a conversation for a little bit. So i just think that until they make one of these moves. It's gonna be exhausting. And i don't know at what point jimmy garoppolo like. You can't not you're all these things like. At what point do you just like. Go your hands up and say i'm done with this. That would be going through this. Go ahead jimmy. Get on the phone. Now that's what you need to do. Go make a fuss. Please kick up a fuss and say you want to be done with san francisco. That would be music to my ears but okay. Let's end the quarterback talk for the purposes of this episode because free agency is coming fast and furious couple of weeks now. We're going to have the legal. Tampering period starts which is hilarious. Because there's tampering going on right now. I think that there's not you're out of your mind that at the combine. There's the tampering is like nothing you've ever seen. I literally have gone to the combine multiple years and seen and heard the tampering take place because the coaches and gm's are all drinking at the same restaurants while they're waiting. You know during the combine. What do you think they're talking about. They're not talking about politics. I'll tell you that so anyway. Plenty of that going on free agencies coming who are a couple of free agent targets that you think forty nine that are realistic. The forty niners yet in the open market so obviously the niners free agency is going to start with their is and to me the four. I think that needs to be coming back. Are a obviously trent williams one jason garrett to and then it's kyle used chicken to quasi car from me and i think that you card has been a very underrated player with the forty niners. I didn't know what he will mention him. What those four. But i think that what jimmy ward him do. Being very complete football players both of them being able to play single high both of them being able to play sports safety both of them being able to play in the fox won't them being very good in man coverage zone coverage. They do every single thing you ask you either very few sticky tandems where you can point to guys. That are that complete. So i think he is important. I understand the health thing with him the other so now we go to the open market and there's really two two positions i would like them to address in the open market and that's corner and that's edge rusher and with edge rusher. I think unique in gawk way is going to have a situation like the davian clowney situation in the past two years. He's a guy who's had a ton of success. He's a guy who got traded and was on that one year rental in minnesota but then moved to baltimore. He had a pretty solid season. He's an explosive pass rusher. he's a good pass rusher. I think he's going to be looking to get the big bag in this market. He's not going to get he's going to end up signing as a one year accent incentive laden deal somewhere and i think that's a guy that the niners should wait on and china got because him and nick. Nikko would be beyond phenomenal. The other guys. I think i'm going to look at is. I think they gotta go to the corner position and i think keller witherspoon. I think he might be gone. Now you'll daniel mostly in. We're hoping they bring back. I think you just need to bring in someone to compete for your starting. I'm gonna bring up too and popular names chat griffin and kevin king two guys that are comparable playing in a similar scheme convinced or have the traits. The niners liked heaven. King a lot before the draft. If you look at peter king long expert day on that draft. John lynch were john. Lynch is doing situps with a pillow in his hotel room at all of that one of the guys they had a conversation about was kevin king in that and kevin king is to me a like yeah. He had a terrible. Nfc championship game. Yeah he's not a good number one. I think he's a guy that you can come in and having compete for your second quarter job Good death same thing with check griffin to mean so. I think those would be true. Good bargains signings. 'cause you can be convinced that between those between variet- and one of those two in emmanuel moseley you will have a solid starting corner tended with spoon thing to me is mystifying. Because he's right. He's awesome like he's really good. The problem is when he gets down he just spirals and he he can't pick himself backup so to me whether or not you re sign him almost like do you think you have the guy or group of guys that can keep his head on straight because if you do you could get a really good corner at way lower than the cost of a really good corner. Yeah i i believe that. I believe that he's going to be a good corner in the nfl just because he's so if adequate gifted. I think it's a matter of going to a defense or going to a place that's going to use them in a standpoint. I think best user skillset think he has to be. Just on the line of scrimmage and just play man craftsmen coverage lot. The niners played a lot more to men. when he had his resurgence. At the end of the season i think helped him especially like the arizona. Game was a lot of jason baretta. Kelo witherspoon being very physical with the andre. Agassi's at the line of scrimmage and that was a very different from how they played them week one and so i think that a kello witherspoon in defense like that would like if he goes to maybe like denver and plays with vic fangio or something like that. I don't know. I think he could be pretty successful. Use it very gifted. You mentioned unique. I would love for unique in gong to end up with the forty niners. Because you're right. They need an answer at that spot. And that is like one of the few positions where i feel like the forty niners. Could maybe convinced somebody to come take less money because their front can be so good like if you tell him like you're not the guy that's getting double teams like never. You're you're never going to the double team coming here. You'll have him bosa armstead. It'll be able to play a little more on the inside. Which is i think where. He's better off. Plus kinlaw is going to develop. I think kinlaw is going to be. He's not going to be deforest. Buckner but i think he's going to be really good like you put in ghanchi there. That is a perfect persistent for him. To succeed and blow up for that one year like you're talking about and then go get paid in two thousand twenty two right and then the other option to me that similar to dock way. But i think he's going to be much. More of a bargain is trying to convince. Melvin ingram to leave one boasted and complain on the other side of another. So and i think. Melvin ingram at this point is a worst player little bit than in god i think. He's on the downside of his career. But if you're asking him just to be a rotational situational pass rusher. There's a ton of value for him to just come on third downs and in his ears back in wreak havoc and the other thing too. I wonder is the success of the niners in free agency and how that impacts what they do the draft right like if they get in gone kway or another edge rusher that they like for the next couple of years do they then pass on an edge rusher in the first round because they feel like they have that covered. So you know. I think sometimes we think of teens make draft plans that they're gonna go this position no matter what we gotta factor in free agency and how that affects things also. Yeah and to me that. That's what makes the nfl's entire concept of having free agency before the draft so stupid because the draft the drafted players younger in these cheaper and the worst case scenario for your team. Is you overpay for a player at a certain position of need and then you realize to two months later that in the draft a certain player of that same position with great physical traits falls to you when you can't draft just overpaid for not so i think that that's why the concept of having the draft. I think it should be drafted in free agency to me. You should be able to get the younger cheaper player whoever's available first and then you go over pay for whatever you need. I just think that that entire concept is just totally fun. It makes no sense to ask the one sort of aspect of the nfl. Calendar that. I feel like it's actually in favor of the players right. The players union cares more about the veterans currently in the league than the incoming rookie class. And it's you're right. It's better for them to have free agency before the draft for that exact reason. I'm sure they'll try and get that worked out immediately. Though they they won't have anything to benefit right right right by actually agree point. I never thought of it from the players aspect that's actually banned tastic because then teams are willing to overpay because if they do draft that guiding your price just gets cut in half which is brutal and i think too. I think there's part of it is like the owners like to go ahead and be that team that at twelve o one when the new league year starts has the agreement with that big star. And you get to splashy coverage and all that. I think there's part of them likes that. Don't i don't think people think about that enough. Like these owners like to be involved in this jerry jones said it and i was so true he said basically like if i go out on the stock market or in the oil business whatever and i make a million dollars nobody cares but if i draft a guard in the second round everybody goes nuts and i think there's an aspect to that these guys like to feel like they're you know in the mix make moves making decisions and so i think part of that is free agency and part of that is the reason why it's a before the draft. Yeah one hundred percent. I think the business aspect of the nfl is actually something that doesn't get talked about it like some players are paid and stuff because they're inherently more marketable and more talked about than other players is just. They might not be as good. Football players are better football players. It's just how it happens. And i think it's something to maybe look at. What the forty niners situation. Because jimmy garoppolo is marketable and replacing jimmy garoppolo with sam darnold is not easy sell from a business standpoint. In my opinion now. I don't think that's why you should ever make a decision. And i don't think that's why the forty niners will make a decision in this case but i do think it's an angle of the nfl. A lot of people forget to look at. If you're analyzing you've got gotta look at every angle in. That's one angle that i think you should take a look at and i because i've been trying to figure this out all off seats wire fans so attached to jimmy garoppolo when he really hasn't done that much in his nfl career. And i think what you just talked about is all part of it right. They acquired jimmy g. Handsome looks so good. They made a big deal about jimmy g. He's coming to the bay area. You got this young good looking guy. He's got a good personality. Smiles all the time and they played right into that with all the marketing and all the jimmy g. q. All that stuff. That i think has helped sort of bond him with the fans in san francisco plus of course the super bowl berth. And that's why. I think you've got people that are so attached to this guy when really he doesn't warrant that kind of love right. I mean tooth. it's really to within. it's the fact that he's really well spoken. He's really kind. He doesn't he doesn't seem to be diva. There's not much fuss about him. I think that's one thing to. He seems to be extremely well received and well liked amongst his players and coaches in peers and well respected. That's something that like. There's never been a player. That's come out and said anything bad about jimmy garoppolo with the forty niners to think that's a testament to the players that the forty niners have gotten the three years but i think it's also testament to jimmy garoppolo in the effect he has on other people and then the third thing to me is that is that record and i think that people really need to put the record pass them. Because i don't think you i or anybody else who says that the niners can do better than jimmy garoppolo or saying that he's worse than nick mullins. Cj beathard. i think we both. We all wholeheartedly agree that he's a much better player than either of those guys. The question is that the level of player he is. Is that good enough when the team starts not as ideal situation as it was from playcalling standpoint from a personnel standpoint in twenty nineteen. Y'all i mean that's clearly what it is the fact that when he's been hurt his replacements have been so horrible makes people long for the days when jimmy garoppolo could throw his passes. Behind the line of scrimmage that depot and tear into like first downs. Because they're incredible. But i said you know what i said. We weren't going talk quarterbacks anymore and we're right back here so that's it we don't mean yes. That's the penalty. the show is ending now. Sorry everybody we'll try and do better next time this. We really appreciate you coming on with us. I really appreciate it. I wanted to talk to you. I set for a long time. I think you make people smarter. You made me smarter so thank you very much. Thank you so much for having me. It was really an honor to do this with you. I really enjoyed my time. Thank you you can find him on twitter at vici- kumar and you can find him on. The youtube channel blake and vicious sports. As well as mondays. With everybody's favourite forty niners beat writer grant cohen. Thanks for listening to the niners nation. Podcast network. we'll talk to you next week.

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8/16/21 - Boomer & Gio Show - Hour 2 (7am-8am)

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8/16/21 - Boomer & Gio Show - Hour 2 (7am-8am)

"Curiosity stream has thousands of documentary films and shows available on demand. On any device we're the net flicks for nerds the hulu for history buffs the disney plus for the scientists in us. There sure are a lot of streaming services. Aren't there curiosity. Stream is the one you definitely need if you're the type to nature dock and chill if you're an armchair astronaut if you'd prefer physics to psychics or perhaps you know a precocious paleontologist go to curiosity stream dot com to learn more and sign up. Today it was two thousand seven and was glad that was a total meltdown to close. Shay was actually oliver perez. Started that game. I have no recollection. Yeah do you. Here's the guy who gave so it was too too and it was a big home. Run that was given up in that game by scott showing weiss. Oh my god do you remember that. I remember scott shown wise. I don't remember the home run now. Yeah i forget who hit it. I'm trying to find it but Yeah just Pretty ugly stuff was a dan uggla. Who hit dan. Uggla was dan. Yeah now west. Helms offer showing wise. And then dan uggla off of luiz. I iowa my goodness. Yeah and the mets couldn't hit scored two runs four. Hits just pathetic. You know it's funny. You bring up these names because little league world series starting a lot of these you know qualifying games and teams winning their regional championships to get in and i saw todd frazier's i guess nephew or cousin. Whoever it was Had a big hit the other night. And i know. He pitched in pennsylvania yesterday but it was interesting because they were talking. They kept flashing back to todd. Frazier in the lower literally grilled series. They showed the video of conforto. And then i started scrolling and google searching. You know the players that have come through that ended up being major leaguers. It's amazing the names you come across as you're going threatening you kinda like us. Dan uggla i mean even thought of him i years and year two thousand and eighth mike guy. Who's the guy like pat berl. The guy that used to kill the mets nothing in the rest of his career. But my god. He's played the mets. he had big home runs. I mean there's guys here so there's one guy who pitched in inning in that game for the mets that i don't have any recollection of and i was as big fans. You can possibly be at that point the rest of the guys. I remember all right so give me do this. Give me three names. His name in to fake names. We'll see if i can pick them out. Okay because if you don't have any recollection. I find it hard to believe i will all right here. We go brian smith. Louise gomez brian stokes Which one of those is a real name. I am going to. Oh well. they're all real names. I'm going to say which a real pitcher that fitch net game right. I'm going to say because you went so basic that his name. Brian smith brian. Stokes is the real he. Brian was a pitcher for the mets and he pitched in that game. I don't remember a damn thing about bryan's though neither do i. Now i remember these other guys are whereas joe smith show unwise lewis. I al pedro feliciano and bobby parnell. And isn't oliver perez stolen a roster somewhere he may i think he may be. I mean he's been pitching. Because i know he ended up in cleveland for a while. And i think with Was with the san francisco giants too but clinton look at her remember ryan church yes of course mariah shen in from the west coast right never adds no. I know it's history repeating itself over and over again. It is crazy. I'm oliver perez here. If you look at him. Allie p when he was a source of many many al dukes songs. If you go back internet's things here. I'm trying to pull up his baseball reference because if he's not pitching he literally just finished pitching. I would say and not long ago. I'll look it up. But remember nick evans. Oh my god. No nick outfielder. Yeah he was like a guy was not a highly touted. Prospect came up out of the mets system. A couple of home runs goofy looking guy. No i no recollection of nick evans. Man that's a new one for me. Oliver perez baseball references. He pitched in twenty twenty one. I'm going to say no. But he he has as. I don't know what his last one was. Be pitching five games in twenty twenty four. who cleveland. oh still with the indians. Okay with cleveland since two thousand eighteen. Okay i don't know if he's heard or what the deal is but he has pitched in twenty twenty one lake. Those songs that al did about oliver perez feel like thirty years ago almost water. I mean think about it you probably. He was probably doing them in two thousand and you guys started in seven is probably two thousand. Seven thousand and eight. Yeah i guess you're probably right of ed. Think about how long ago that is now. The life of a lefty reliever i league baseball and i remember it so much potential and oliver perez at a one really good year oliver peress started in two thousand and two airmen. Are you serious. Yeah spent those years with the pirates then came over. How much money do you think oliver. Perez has made in his career You had to guess man as you may. Because he's never made thirty million dollars a year but he's pitched for nineteen season. I say seventy five million seventy five million. Let's see police up now. Baba baba he has made. He's made a lot of money. I'll give him that. I'm seeing fifty two point eight. I see the same thing not bad. Not bad not a bad way to go through fifty two million just come out of the bullpen. Get a couple left these out. One point two million this year free agent leap now. It's ali p now that's probably the most famous one that he did. Yeah john main oliver perez. I remember those galley a p. P yes no more fun though. Mike pelfrey though and his hands. Yes those teams give you tons of material. I mean without a doubt but it just feels like isn't it amazing our talking about what is that Two thousand and eight is thirteen years ago. Yeah and a team collapsing and not being able to score any runs and bringing up the in. It's like the same thing is now happening again. Pretty much now the differences. I don't think that they were thought to be with the way. They're constructed right now with the injuries to be a really good team at this moment. But you're right. They were a first place team. They have not played well and now they're going the wrong way and they can't hit. I remember the beginning of the season. The the mets over under number was was ninety. Wins like that one point. They were in first place. They were like nine to one to win the world series. Yeah because they've got talent they had pitching and it's all falling apart so the war pretty large for that. But yes when you're when you're when you over under number of ninety. Yeah you're expected to win you division and be in the playoffs and that's why and you know what. Kfc yellows all he wants. That's where a lot of expectation comes from. And you know. I'll still sit here and say yes. The dodgers are a better team. There's no question about it. i'm not. I'm not arguing that point but to lose all three in the fashion you did. They showed a lot of fight. Friday night couldn't finish the job. Saturday things are going. Well walkers pitching great. They can't tack on our ad on and then yesterday it's a complete joke complete joke. There's enough there's enough talent on this team that they should be doing better than they have been doing. And it's going to be too little too late when guys are coming back to because maybe will happen. This is a completely lost year for francis indoor in his first year here and your two and a half out and with the way you've played the wildcard is a is a myth. I mean it's not even possible so you have to win the division and now you've got to leapfrog to teams not one and you're losing ground daily and you know you got san francisco and la for the next ten. Well we were talking about. How did they do in the thirteen. All right well. Let's forget the first three. How will they do on the last ten. Can they go five and five. I don't know that they can no. I don't think they can no way especially now leaving city field where they played well for the most part of the entire year and i think the giants think they're the best home team in baseball. Good luck. yeah and that's the and that's the problem. That's the issue that you run into right now and it didn't help that. The braves played the nationals. The same way they played and by the way the mets when they played the nationals had a grind out couple of wins over them. It wasn't even like they blew out every day. Yeah and. I don't know what you're going to get if jacob degrom comes back or not and we're talking about today is august sixteenth. So you still got another two weeks before you even think about him returning which begs the question. Depending upon where they are in the standings stephen bother will what would be like four games out with a month ago. I mean we're talking about those. Mets collapsed teams. They were up seven with seventeen to go in and found a way to choke it off. So i think if he's healthy he's got a pitch unless they're completely buried. I'm with you too because the last place team still leads to play their games. I'm not saying that but my point is he said so many issues. He's a different case. And if you end up fallen six seven eight games out and you know you're pretty much dropping dead every day you gotta make a decision. Maybe give them a star to see where he's at. But i don't know it's just something they're going to have to contemplate if in fact he's not ready or possibly ready until mid-september when the season could be lost in almost over the i know he feels that elbow to men and afghan armed because a lot of. Footballs being throw. You know was the star. That football throwing eddie xerri okay. A lot of spirals. Yeah couldn't believe it and deep. Yeah what was your technique eddie. 'cause mine kept because i guess i was trying to throw them too hard and they start ducking the you. You got a spiral the whole way. While i was trying to get it to where would not fall off the boat or or. It's something with my arm. As i was trying to argue over but if i can get my arm to where i could swing it something about my shoulder joint. I can throw far. I was really impressive. I was shocked me to launch them. But then after about eight of those then it was like ow. There's a video vowel throwing. I know i threw like fifty to one hundred. I think somewhere in there. There's a lot of. How is the band. I know i've jordan davis was great during the show. How is the band on the bar. J. were unbelievable man. They were so could his people falling in the water trying to get these these stink and football's from boomer But this great great footage here. Yeah i don't know that floor. Yeah that's is that he had some real can and i think he outshone outshined boomer. And they'd show so bar said okay. What is that in his contract. Yeah that band. Jerry was awesome mean. They played all day long hours and hours and hours is song after song after song and boomer and i went over there. Somebody put us on like this floating. I don't even know what it was zodiac right. No no that was the second half. That's when the captain sanchez. Picked us up brought us around which is probably the coolest part of the day so there was a little inflatable inflatable zodiac that boomer and i climbed on and the captain was driving around. He took us to every single boats. Who were out there going. And visiting everybody ice waving to them and talk to him but we got over to the stage where the band was some guy paddled us over on this floating matt and he was just he was struggling his ass off and he couldn't get over there and boomer and typical boomer. Fashion is screaming at the guy. You're embarrassing yourself. All these people around looking at us. Because i'm on is killing me. Finally he had to cave and then through somebody a line and dragged them in right. We went up to the state and saw that ban and they were so tired because they were taking a break. At that point there was someone on. I don't know if instagram twitter. Somewhere where i saw. They posted a video. He here's the boomer and geo boat party and they had the video going as they kind of approached it in the water. It was very cool to see. You could hear the music in the background and it looked you know. The weather was great and the by looked really good. Yeah the couple of the best parts of the zodiac thing was great. When when i pulled up there and then docked up against another barge it'll listener put out there and the band was cranking and then that jack pocket boat came by was like. Wow you looked out there. And so the hundreds of boats that was em other bars that we are this. Is the thing jerry right now if you could see the monitor. This is us me double fist in peers on the little zodiac saying load everybody sorry eddie. He were saying no worries on that other platform that we talked to there was a grill with like somebody was was grilling clamps. Yeah tremendous right. That guy he he had nothing to do with with any of us he was just the guy who brought his own barge to the river in in put it there and it ended up being a barge that we docked up against so it was perfect. Again we're swimming over to that. Yeah hello were which was getting. We almost got overtaken wanted. Yeah i looked up. I was like all right. We got a lot of strangers and are climbing on the podium strangers here but ended up. Everybody was so nice though. You didn't get one jerk. Not one jerk. That's here you saw jerk guy was a little overbearing. The guy that ended up in the off that was. Yeah but he didn't make it to the the boat part didn't yeah i hated everywhere l. Try jumping on the boat as we were about that one guy was trying to john whatever but anyway he was a little bit overbearing. But i'm just talking about. Everybody was so well behaved. Like one of the things going into this was like all people are going to be out of control. They're gonna be drinking too much is going to be. This is going to be that none of that happened. I also think the heat had something to do at. Because i know myself could not keep it at a high level the entire day i was like i had to come in and sit down and hydrate and the whole thing was just was sal out of control like you said he was going to be no no no no no. He was fine. He actually had to leave. He was just at the lake house. Okay and then. He had to leave because he had to do somewhat. His family didn't wanna do. But which i think was okay ended up working out for them but i tell you i mean he he trashes. It's in lots more than like. I feel like when i tell stories on my inlaws. They're funnier whatever like he doesn't want to hang out with that he doesn't want to do anything with them. Yeah listen so it doesn't matter so they don't they don't pay attention to what he says he might wanna still keep that quiet. He's a guy stupid thing that i'm going to any part of this a like like dude. You're not on a two thirty in the morning right now. You think you're on at seven o'clock like could be listening. Might wanna keep that to himself very good. All right jerry boomer. I'm losing my voice. Now all of a sudden hours friday just a little sounds a little different He gets a water rehydrate at this thing moving in the right direction each the morning show with boomer asya and gregg giannotti boomer z. O. going on ceelo brought to you by town fair tire. Nobody beats town fair tire. Nobody six straight series win for the yankees best record in the american league since the all-star break and the bit swung on and hit on the left at his high status bar. God it's a two run home run. Oh that point is a droid. He bless a two run home. Run to left field to give the yankees of four run. Lead john sterling here on the fan important insurance for the because the way the back end of the bullpen. Been going lately and sure enough. The combo of lucas limpkey and juan de peralta combined a couple of runs in the bottom of the ninth of parole to really did his job. He got a couple of ground but the second one was a game ending four three double play as they hold off the white sox five to three. Here's aaron. boone is a really good spirit. After tough loss in in the field of dreams gain guys just continue to continue to pound away a little different than thursday night in iowa after the quick turn of events in the ninth left. Boone is stating the obvious about that experience that ruined it a little bit honestly typical he. Can you know we. Of course it ruined it. Lost in the ninth inning off but again they bounce back. They win both games in chicago. And on sunday was voight. Rubio door with a couple of two run homers together came across on a brett gardner double coupled with throwing error from the outfield other than that. Lot of swing and misses yanks cade sixteen times four piece for joey gallo and currently gosh yoka and they stranded fourteen runners but still found a way. Nestor cortez junior. His first win over. Two years was fun to watch. He's always fun to watch. Yeah he was. But i mean to go six and actually give them what they needed yesterday. Already good starting to get stretched out. And he's giving give you the ninety eight pitches yesterday. Gave the one run on a solo homer seven strikeouts. He was certainly please. Yeah i mean. rare respectable i You know went in there and got the job done. Gave some length. Chemo with w left crafty. Why they always say they would left these. Don't they don't throw her. Oh that's a good point. Yeah never crafty righty. It's always a crafty. Left is crafty with the varieties. I guess maybe you get like the submariner. The side armor usually hang inside. You know so. Yeah he's crafty left. He's the definition of crafty. Left specially here in twenty twenty one where everyone throws guests it. So i do like when he drops down and it's almost like the batteries. Not expecting that fastball. From the side and you give you a little quick pitch here in their oil. Hold the hold the wind up for a while to mess with your timing and your rhythm. I did another one too. I don't know if either when you caught it the day game against the nationals. The other day that first pitcher the nationals used volt or bowling numbers name was did not see that he if you watch he had. I wanna say five different wind up see used he would go to the slide step like he was in the stretch. Then we go to the wind up and would turn his back completely tour. It was wild. Wi- fun whatever you need to do to stay in there. Yeah you're right you're reinvent yourself guys some guys go to the knuckleball like ra dickey did other guys to change the armed slots and the gory. He's doing life right now. That's a great question he was. He was big into the religion stuff. Wasn't he already marital problems. That i mean the flip. A coin divorce rate jerry. Fifty two percent and the bauer stuff to a dickey yanks are back home for tonight's makeup game with the angels garrett cole is back from the cova dial he'll be opposed by jose. Suarez pregame on the fan. The odyssey begins at six twenty five. Let's give you some. what are you got. Look at this so you type in. What sorry dickie doing now someone this somebody wrote about it or a dickey forty five. This is from last june. Okay retired from the game over two years ago. He's now adjusting to life in nashville where he grew up and owns an enormous farm with thirty seven animals including horses a donkey. A pig ducks rabbits dogs and cats. That sounds about right. Thirty seven animals to be as far as a phil. What some animals. You know what i mean. That's just so much. I mean to me is like overwhelming thirty. Seven animals. how many acres say Doesn't say big horse farm in nashville probably in the outskirts of nashville suburbs for him. That's the farthest life. I wanna live. Honestly it would take like waking up and taking care of the animals that going to do that. We don't know was career. Day like waking up and churn in the butter and milk in the cows and cleaning pigpens probably a good point now by the way there was a sixty minutes piece on dickey Several years ago about a about his life hitting rock bottom extramarital affair things of that nature but they kept it together. And i think they're still together no really team to handle. All the animals out there nashville may maybe to To person effort seems like such a nice eaten an easy a nice conway of life raise an animals. Well you're on your own farm. You don't have the hustle and bustle of a job. Where you're commuting in and out anywhere. You wake up time to do this time to do that. We'll dinner much game right in british fill drain and from a guy who won the cy young. The as balls have got an uncle around and are so hard to control dickey. Can't you see that. We need a called strike three. I know it might be wrong. But i'm in love with dicky's balls blah underneath you. There was that eddie men my backup harmony a little off their ra dickey. You're so fine. You're so fine please. Blow our minds. Hey dicky dicky we're tossing them all off tonight dickey can't off. We wanted to god. For the mets hires a little garrett cole from yesterday garrett how was your covert experience probably by care tries it as mild symptoms But i had the full gamut of pretty much everything minus the puking taste koby ceasing. Fevers sweats not mucous. Discharge from every orifice as far as the team's coveted covert issues co was asked. If there's anything they can do moving forward to make sure it doesn't happen again. He couldn't really answer because he still has no idea how or where he got it from says it's a real head scratcher so we're going to go into grimy bars in grind until four am in the morning I mean there. There is some awareness there But just yeah yeah. Y'all hugging listeners. For an hour after a show a great next week. I'll be in and you guys will all be home vaccinated dan all right so he's got tonight's one off with the angels By the way shohei ohtani starting to heat up again. He comes to town with a six game hitting streak. He was five for thirteen over the weekend. Against the astros up to thirty nine homers on the season than the red sox come to town including a doubleheader tomorrow yanks are one back of boston in the loss column as the red sox swept the orioles fenway of the weekend outscoring baltimore. Thirty two five across three games jordan. Montgomery will start one of the double header games with boston tomorrow louise. He'll is supposed to get the other. And you might see a mighty gary sanchez back from the copa l. Tomorrow as well he played for w somerset yesterday that he was over two of the walk in five innings of work. And he's going to be with team today at the stadium. Get a little workout in. And then they will decide on his status moving forward anthony. Rizzo also feeling better and it. Sounds like he will be back in short order. As for the mets they lose two extra inning games against the dodgers friday and saturday and then yesterday everything went wrong right from the stars. The payoff pitch dry. Air to left-center pre smith back onto the track ear the law god to run a bottle justin turner naturally after he missed. Friday night's game and only pinch saturday's been banged up how. Wcbs eight eighty so he gives the dodgers to nothing lead right out of the gate. It was six nothing after two an l. a. assaulted poor carlos caracal on their way to a fourteen to four romp in a three game sweep. Mets couldn't get a hit with runners scoring position. They left a million guys on base in the series. And thanks to the sunday night. Game much to these chagrin of noah syndergaard gave me his thoughts on social media. They've got a quick turnaround to play the giants not in san francisco. Here's lewis real. We can't be too right now. We just got a you know started just regroup Like you said regrouping ourselves and prepared for this team. We're gonna face 'cause. I mean these guys has been. They've been playing better than the team. That you we face Richhill kevin gosper tonight. Nine forty-five start marcus stroman about thirty minutes ago. Seven zero nine to be exact. Was the time stamp on. Twitter just landed in san francisco. No rest for the weary. Saturday compete on the west coast. It's silly because by the time they lay down. I mean like i don't know hours and i listen. I know they're playing baseball. But we've all done those flights and you feel less than one hundred percent and now you're asking them to go play the best team in baseball tonight. I watch they might even turn on a win tonight. Who the hell exactly. But i wonder richhill probably went ahead write. I would hope so. Considering the short the short so true yes good point the braves swept the nationals phillies. Loss of the raiders. Thursday bank atlanta now has the sole lead atop the east mets to back with the braves on the law side. We mentioned a little about the jets and giants preseason games saturday night at metlife. You had a couple of series for zach wilson couple third down conversions. I think was a to field goal drives lead or just the one one just on okay. Well they moved the ball unleashed on. They were three and outs right. So that's good. Good sign for them. You talked about. Mike glennon kind of being a statue in the pocket. You also had clayton thorson in there for the giants. And i guess they're going to take a look at another quarterback brian. La- worke has agreed to terms with the giants. They bring another in. Thurston and brian was the guy that played after. Glennon think he actually through at least glenn in the guy that that might thought was going to be like next tarkenton. Yes well maybe not. He's going to be good. Yeah big i actually. I was always wondering why. Mike lend and get more of a shot and then once he did. I found out. You don't want felt that way. About sage rosenfels yeah fills got a raw deal in the nfl. Every time he played this guy's good. Yeah glennon i guess has been around enough to. He's he's a backup what he is. He can't move he's tall he's he's dufy look and he's got a big arm and so that's that's that's pretty much it The jets are going to have joint practices and a little bit better than mike. Lennon jets have joined practices with the packers leading up to their preseason game. Coming up saturday. So jordan love finally got into a game over the weekend played pretty well but then i guess banged up his shoulder a little bit the. Mri came back clean but his status for that game with the jets on clear. Jerry dak prescott is expected to practice on a limited basis today. He's been sidelined with this throwing shoulder issue for a while now I've kind of i had this tucked away. I wanted to play it on a day. Boomer was here but that's obviously not the case. I'll just play it anyway. This was maybe a week or two when asked about overcoming the injury and getting back in there this season. i'm excited for it I've said before. I think pro- pressures privilege. Just aren't everybody loves that now. That is really made the rounds. The last couple of months feel like a lot of people who've gotten out there finally watched the whole hard knocks episode. Yeah and there was a couple of things that didn't get attention when it first came out that i thought were more important like one the fact that jerry jones is just right there on the practice field. Like talking to mike mccarthy i. I thought that maybe he'd be a little bit in the background. But that's been like that for thirty years. I know i've never really seen it. And also he's gotten to the point now where he's these these older and more senile. So there's the deal with that. It'll really senile desperately close And then the other thing was the dak being so pissed off who's kept out a practice. The pitch count stuff in that dead. Analytical rep thing that they were gonna get hurt. Many ended up getting hurt. How about the beginning of the the episode to where it starts with jack talking about the suicide of his brother. Yeah into the inge. I mean it was like god. It just punched right in the face when it's when it opened my now i know it's always a great show so that you were gonna go john. Fossil and the anna. John john. Fawcett yeah and talking about the But yeah yeah. That was a weird piece to put. Giant house talks about how he have reversed the and then had a reverse. It was explaining to the team how it works. And how the sperm swim and then stop and where they go. Yeah you're listening. So he's dropped vast deferens in the middle of a special teams meeting. Yeah it was. It was just weird. Yeah does that come on. Don't wanna guys go. One of the was a players. I think it was like. Can you still you know john was like having orgasm. Matter of fact it's no big deal. It was just strange. I thought that in the mcgreal is assault on the mccrindle jerry jones and the way he does like tap salt on the top just like the whole technique was just amazing and you felt like he was like enough with the trainer. He's this thing's cold. Yeah so i've been in that same situation where someone calls me and i've got a plate of food in front of me and i'm like i do not care what you're talking about. I'm starving but that's gonna let you get to work in the hangs the phone up. You know he no. He wasn't gonna let them get the work he was going to get to work on the griddle. That's what was happening Do you guys have any interest in this basketball traitor now. No one cares about that. Eric bledsoe clippers or training pat. Beverley rajon rondo. And some other guy to the grizzlies for eric bledsoe. Sorry go you got that. Roger federer is out of the us open and he says he's going to be sidelined for many months. he needs a third operation on his right knee procedure. He said we'll leave him with a quote glimmer of hope that he can return to competition. So that doesn't salaries without looking. I would say forty four. Just do that right now. Give me a second. i'll give you an answer. La la la. He just turned forty eight days ago. Oh well happy birthday happy birthday. Happy birthday third nia version. They are very good ceelo. Thank you about the golf again. Because i got all of it wrong. I watched the highlights. This morning i still butchered at all. All right i'll be locked in. I'll be out of liberty national sunday for the check that out with my dad. It was awesome. So i'm gonna go back tournaments. It didn't ask you to go company. You're the best part about that. Was the combo. One two punch of jimmy crack corn into music which is not only. Do not care. But i'm shutting you off as well pretty much the left and right the morning show with boomer esiason and gregg giannotti boomer and geo action on that jack pocket winners slow on a sex. Apparently really i was kidding in knowing might might have happened at the bathroom. A married couple. All right. well listen happened. Get when you have. Big zoo was a big hit on that boat. He was taking pictures. Everybody was loving it. He was a blast. He's deep brings the party to you. that big zoo and everybody there in such a great time that boat. I believe it was described to me as they showed up as strangers but they left as a family or boy and maybe pregnant maybe So happy they got video. It is of us going around in that There's the jack pocket boat right there. That's the Left with a bond together forever and I'm so happy. There was video of the whole Dinghy experience if you will boomer. And i was on and he i i give him credit 'cause he had the jam himself into a couple of different things that was totally uncomfortable for him. Yeah and he was normally do stuff like this. But i'm doing it today. And he was having he is let loose. He was a great time like he wasn't doing that. All i'm not doing this. I'm not doing that. I'm hopping on this thing. I'm only going to be on a boat that costs this much. She was just in it. Now when you got the five o'clock where people still hanging out or had people start at that point because of tidal ended up leaving around three three thirty so the band was only gonna play till four o'clock. Go ask to double fist in the two years of my hands and he captain sanchez. Yeah look at sanchez. So how 'bout sanchez. you see jerry. Sanchez is driving the boat sanchez. Thirty one years old and the captain of a yacht and he's been doing it for a while as a small little boat. That's a no no but he was driving us around in the tender. That's great good for him. It was generally the captain's takes a lot longer to get to that level. And he did. He's been a captain for a long time. I think he's been piloting vessels since he's been thirteen. I know jack pocket boats leaving his weight. And i was ignorant of this g. But i'm not in the boating world but evidently there were many people police in harbor people included who were blown away by his skill with the with yet awesome. Yeah no he pulled a right in. It was Incredible oh here we go. This is Straight from the jack pocket. Boats mouth randomize from the bronx randomest. It was great meeting. You man are you guys doing this morning. We're doing great random. That was that jack pocket boat man is watching guys on tv. I'm here home with riley georgia's watching enjoying the time. Hey g Big zoo is a baller man. That guy high skills. I wish when i was twenty five years old i could do what that guy did. That dame forever I don't know. I don't. I don't know if i could say too much. You know a lot of good energy on that both like like jewish. Saying i don't know what i can say. I cannot say you know. Call big lou in their having happening. Explain what he did he does. He does like the beautiful older ladies. Man i tell you that no real smooth like the i i with my friend on both. I'm watching big. I'm like yo washes broke. I think he's gonna. I think he's gonna work this one and just like i said it. He started working and he got him in a when you say he got it. Did you see him. Make out with an older woman did you. What did you see married. There was so many people are made on that. I don't wanna lose no friendship okay. I respect due respect that. But i've also do a radio show and i need to know what the hell happened man. All right. maybe randomness the guy to squeeze it out of. I don't wanna put you in a tough spot zoos. I'll i'll tell you this you. I'll tell you this After the after the bowl party was over Some of us decided to go eat after. Go out to eat. Guess what big zoo was. What the young lady having a give me. I'll tell you that whow okay so we basically so so none of so our was it you. That told me he didn't believe the big zoo. The whole thing. yeah. I said i didn't believe he gets the ladies. Yeah radames you saw with your own two. Is he gets the ladies. I saw with my own. Two eyes man. That dude is a piece. That he is was their sex on. This boat randomness. No but that would have been. That would have been shot. There was none. Okay all right. Are you telling me the truth. Randomness hundred hundred and ten power. Very good i had heard reports that there was there might have been some hanky panky on the boat so it's good to know that's good to know that everybody kept it clean. You had a great time though man right. I had a fantastic time. There was only one thing but it's okay. It was a great great time it was. It was fantastic. Once the one thing one what can what happened There was a there was like a shrimp shrimp in pita. We a lot of people with a lot of people can eat seafood on that boat. Okay so there was only seafood on the boat and there wasn't anything else to eat so you're probably starving We the drinks are flowing so we were. We were all happy and and nobody was complaining. Oh all right. That's the one thing all right very good. Look at you rats right only only the best for you. It was great to see you. Were so happy when i when i mention you and your body and i'm so glad that you're able to make this happen with having a newborn which didn't think was going to be feasible. But it certainly was. I take care brother. We'll see you soon right. All right guys have a great day all right. you too. Randomness misses the man. But he's another one of those guys are just exudes. All sorts of positive energy. Sounds like a good guy he zoo. He ends up on my bets on a mary. Mary evicted more like four of them. There were there were more reads in west babylon. She was also on the boat all right. Hello maureen our you. Hey g oh how are you great. Maureen good to hear from you again. How was that jack pocket boat. I'm telling you it was great and you're exactly right. We went on as strange as we came out as a family and the people that were on. There couldn't have been nicer to us the whole show. I met all of the people that worked. You know on the show itself. They were so nice taking pictures and stuff but the boat itself everybody just there was like a family atmosphere. We just loved the jaw was crazy and he really did get hooked up with somebody on there. But it wasn't you maureen he. No we had our conversation when he first came on i said. Do you want to sit next to me. I told them. I said i'm the sixty five year old. And he says oh. He goes he goes. Oh i remember you. And he You know we talked and we moved on but the the other people that were on there too. That had won like dianne and Laura they all bought friends that would just you know sure. You're the best kind. Even though they weren't always all fans they were good people to be around. And i ended up not getting anybody to go with me so i met this guy in the parking lot. That was there from four o'clock in the morning this. I had soya online and i asked him to come on the boat him and his friend got on and look. I know they were. They were so appreciative. I couldn't believe it. They just wanted to buy me drinks the whole time on the boat but i was like no no. That's okay but whatever but they they listened to your show all the time they record it. When they're not there. Chris and bova. They were out there. Those are the two that came on My son ended up getting on. He had a bracelet that was part of the restaurant. Janice vote in fact you and and bouma signed his cousin. Migo cousin amigos bottle. Yes yes we all ended up signing that day. The guy the boom right. So did you see any sex on that boat. Maury there was a couple that came there I think her name was laura. L know laura brought a friend. Maybe it was laura i know laura was there. There was a diane. I think she might have been the one that had something to do with the shaving. Diane diane did shave vote. She bought a girl or a thought. I don't know who was with big zoo. I think it. I think it ended up being that girl laura laura. I'm not sure big zoo. I got lots of pictures with him and his friend Randomness was variety. He really was. I heard dan corner. He was in little I don't know he didn't seem too happy to be on the boat. I heard that. I heard that he was a big drag the whole time. We tried to get him. He did take pictures you know. I says how come you so glum you know. Let's get a picture smile. They wanted to be on the yacht the on the right. He thought he should be. I met brett from flagging anthem. What a nice guy is there with his son No i don't know if it's son brad. Here from flag and anthem. Yeah yeah he was that with. I think he came with some guy with a jaspers manhattan jaspers had on. Okay all right very good more. I'm glad that you had a blast. There and i gotta get the big thing. The bartender was great. I mean you guys did a phenomenal job setting this up. We weren't and what's amazing. Thanks more immediately. Very gracious around soon on fire island right. Possibly yup all right maureen here taking my call all right of course. Thanks for everything. Yeah by arena a blast there jerry. Maureen and a blessed sounds good. Was dan really thought he was getting on our. I gave him a free. Pass that jack pocket. But when i met him on thursday and i wasn't good enough for him not his crowd. That's unbelievable. i don't know you gotta you'll. I'm sure you'll hear from him this morning. Are we got him into the show without buying a ticket. We've got him onto a boat without winning and still wasn't good enough. I came out and met him the thursday night before the show i think he probably will defend himself at some point today or tomorrow. Everybody said he was a drag. That's what i'm here. What does that mean wasn't drinking. Yeah i saw pictures of them just sitting there on the boat not like having a good time. Weird of all the guys. Maybe he was just really hot and he'd been out drinking for a full week. Maybe it just never stopped. Actually he didn't he had stayed up the entire night right. Yeah that's probably had something to do with it and it's going to catch up with you at some point. I would hope so. I'll not say who eddie said this to but on the yacht at night when we were sitting there. Yeah someone goes for another beer on the yacht and eddie goes to him. Do you ever think about stopping now. Why whose friday night or thursday. Who's this friday night. yeah that was. I don't want. I mean all right. I don't wanna protect the identity of those having a good time. you know. plus it wouldn't really mean much to the audience. I could tell you but it's just. Is there ever it end to this. Stop and you may want to consider each the morning show with boomer. Esiason and gregg giannotti boomer. Ngo curiosity stream has thousands of documentary films and shows available on demand on any device where the net flicks for nerds the hulu for history buffs the disney plus the scientists in us. 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Hour 3: Time to make some changes

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Hour 3: Time to make some changes

"Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast the game of the night. Absolutely. Is in LA where all the drama never ceases, and really, frankly, I don't need to go to the movies anymore. I can just keep my eyes on the Lakers. I it gives me everything I want, and I I get LeBron is he going to be is it going to be good guy. Lebron this time is going to be bad guy. Lebron this time is the rest of LA going to be fans of it is ever going to bed. We're going to cheer him. They hate him. What what's what's it gonna be every single day? You never know. And tonight like when there's an avengers movie coming out, and there's an old new twist to it. You're not you don't even know how to handle Anthony Davis. And the pelicans will visit the staple center for the first time since the trade the trade rumors became public, and he made it apparent he wants to play for the Lakers. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Jason. Fitz blind solo we're presented by progressive insurance. And we have to get a little A perspective out of this. I mean, there's there's no doubt about it. Nobody knows better than in less. You're in the thick of Los Angeles for all of this. So we're going to go to our ESPN MBA Lakers reported OMB young Masuku on the shell Pennzoil performance line on thanks for some time. We appreciate it tonight. Give me your sense on where things are like on a on a scale of dysfunction where are things with LeBron and his relationship with the Lakers at this point. It's really hard to say, I mean, I really think it depends on every night each game how they're doing. And so, you know, if they start winning, obviously, the belief it becomes a lot better. But if they lose and the way they lose the locker room can get a little more toxic things like that. And and only when I say toxic. I don't even say like if openly in front of us like guys are beefing or anything like that. No. In fact, it'd probably is more just like guys don't really talk as much things of that nature because if the ten th time right now the Lakers are trying to make the playoffs. They know what's at stake. And yet, you know, they're just not able to execute not translating onto the floor. They missed Lonzo ball. Ball. You know, I think there's a certain uncomfortableness that comes that's in the locker room with each loss that keeps mounting in the way they play. And of course, tonight as you said, Anthony Davis is in the building just another reminder to some of these young guys of what they had to go through at the trade deadline when they were hearing their names mentioned over and over again about how basically everybody on the team was expendable for Anthony Davis outside the LeBron James we're talking to ESPN NBA Lakers reporter, OMB young Masuko. And with that being said, Anthony Davis walks in, but he walks into that sort of like when you walk into the bedroom after, you know, your mom and dad were just really fighting. And you've got this weird energy going on when Anthony Davis walks in what kind of energy does he even see from the Lakers team that wants him? Well, Anthony Davis is going through his own little thing, and it's own little mini drama himself where the pelicans aren't really playing him. So I spoke to him this morning where basically, you know, he knows what the deal is. He's only gonna play about twenty two twenty three minutes tonight. As Alvin gentry said, he's not gonna play in the fourth quarter, which is really frustrating for him. I even asked him I said, you know, this is your first time in Staples playing the Lakers really since December. But since the first time since the trade demand, and you know, you could get a standing ovation from the fans and before I even gotten to that point. He just said, I don't care. He just he doesn't want to revisit that. He's going through his own little thing with the pelicans. And the pelicans say they've been transparent with it. But yeah, I think Anthony Davis made look at this team tonight. But I don't think he'll look at it. Like, oh, these are the guys that'd be playing with because he doesn't even know who would be playing with. If he does come here if he's able to come be trade or he has come later down the road when he's a free agent. Well, and that's a fair point own as much as we're talking about the locker room in the way, it feels right now does it even matter for the future of the Lakers. It does to a certain extent because it certainly matters right now as they try to make the playoffs. But then, you know, look, there's no guarantee that you are going to trade and all these guys with guy you want the summer, and let's say they don't get Anthony Davis this summer, which you know, the odds are probably against them getting Anthony Davis via trade the summer. So they're going to go and try and get another free agent. And which means they will still have a lot of these young guys on their team. So it absolutely matters. You know, what they're going through right now and all that stuff because really the allow these young guys like how coups Ma Brandon Ingram. Lonzo ball. They're not gonna really go anywhere unless they're sent for in a blockbuster trade which would be something like yesterday, we're talking to ESPN NBA Lakers reporter, oh Myung Suk on the shell Pennzoil performance on. You can follow him on Twitter at notorious own when you think about this team, particularly in in the the drama that we've looked at around. Lebron? Do you believe that the drama has escalated or is it just that? We're focus. It focusing on it more because it's this version of LeBron with the Lakers. I don't think it's escalated I think it's just that we're taking the temperature with each game. And with each comment LeBron says, and I think LeBron is really learning. He's trying to figure out what buttons to push it. Same thing that Luke Walton have face entering the season. How does he push all the right buttons with which a diverse roster, basically one that never seemed to be one that made sense where you have a bunch of veterans and they clinic veterans on one year deal that might feel like mercenaries from land Stevenson to jail McGee to Rajon, Rondo, Michael Beasley before he was traded away. And then you have a lot of the young kids that you have to develop like Kouzmin Ingram, Lonzo ball, Josh heart. And then you try to fit LeBron and all of that. And so I think what you see LeBron as he's making all these comments his comments are varying almost after every game because it's one minute. He's questioning do these guys really know what the sick when they've never been through this before too. I think this morning where he was. Like expressing extreme confidence in the situation. The Lakers are in and kinda just trying to reinforce the fact that I like what we are like the group we are. And we can do this. We can do this trying to be as positive possible. I think LeBron is trying to figure out which buttons to push because he's never really been in the situation. Like this in a in a pressure cooker in Los Angeles for an iconic franchise like the Lakers, and then he has to lead really young guys like Kouzmin Ingram. And let's also say this for who's Manila Graham, they played very, well, there's last few games if kinda the bench and the rest of the supporting cast it hasn't played. Well, and I think you know, LeBron is trying to do everything he can to try and get the same. We're talking the ESPN NBA Lakers reporter, OMB young. And you know, whether the LeBron sitting out of a game was planned. There's the optics either way with that of him being out late working on to change record. And then at the same time you're talking about sort of a message where he's trying to find his leadership footing should. Optics matter to LeBron when he's doing these other projects in the middle of the season. Well, I think what Brian is definitely a guy that can multitask. I mean, I think for some other guys and other stars maybe not so much. I think LeBron is used to having a lot of things going on in this universe and kind of in his orbit. So I I don't think LeBron one guy that as many things as he might have around it distracts from you know, what that hand for him and trying to make the playoffs. Like, oh, I don't disagree with that. But let me let me just kind of follow through with that first second because I don't disagree that LeBron can handle it. But when you're message from leadership after a game is we've all got to be focused on what matters winning and at the same time, you're working on the to chains records is that. I mean, even if you can handle it how does that get received by the guys that are around you in the locker room. It's it's hard to say. I mean, maybe these guys might might think and look and see what LeBron thing. And I think even today LeBron was asked, you know, what you say to the media, you hope that it kind of echoes to the rest of the guys in the locker room. And he said, I'm not really sure what they see. And what they get. And what they don't. I do think LeBron is hoping that some of these messages get them. But I think what it comes down to really for these young guys at the end of the day is seeing LeBron on the floor, basically lead, by example, and do everything that is going to take the make the playoffs, and then hopefully, these guys Bowen suit, I think that's probably the most important thing as opposed to what he does off the court and absolutely makes sense real quick before we let you go. If the Lakers missed the playoffs this year, what is the ripple effect into the summer? I mean, they're still going to go and try and get another free agent star. And if they get another free agent store, then it's not really that big of a deal. It's just mostly that these young kids would gain so much by making the playoffs alongside LeBron James and going through that it is going to be and nature disappointment in Los Angeles. Lakers not to make the playoffs. And LeBron James the fallout would definitely be probably and very all likelihood a change and head coach we Luke Walton and a new coaching staff, but the Lakers are still going to go about free agency. And try get another star to join the Bron James. And then you know, they obviously we're looking to Anthony David still try to make a big splash this summer. But if they don't make the playoffs it will be a big disappointment. But in the big big scheme of things the big picture. They're still going to go about their business and in free agency and trying to get another star and then load up for next year. Follow him on Twitter at notorious H M own young men. We appreciate your time next for hanging out with this. Thanks for having me. And don't forget tonight. Ten thirty PM eastern on ESPN pelicans it. Lakers. I mean, if nothing else just to watch the first ten minutes and see how this thing unfold. I cannot wait straight ahead. You guys are lighting me up. You do not like the concept that I wanna limit your access from the court side of NBA games. But there's a sport that learned the lesson when it was too late won't reveal that next benefits on ESPN radio. Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast already knew. We had the smartest listeners ever. You guys know love you. I didn't realize you're all rich. That's the only that's the only conclusion I can make. I'm trying to take away courtside seats at the NBA which really affects like the top one percent of the one percent can afford those things, and you guys are just let me know. I have lost my mind. Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Jason Fitz with you, and I'm going to go straight to some straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts. Yes, I get it a cute adorable. Little kid taps Russell Westbrook. And we wanna make it. A Coca Cola commercial? I understand that. It's what we wanna do. It's fine. But my God. But like in you, guys, you know, you don't want me to over exaggerate. You don't want me to make a big deal. I will credit a credits. One of our listeners that came in and tweeted, just a reminder, Monica Selous mean the fact is we've learned this lesson in sports. Four. We have seen the worst of the worst. We've seen tennis players attacked on the court. I was just at Cameron produced North Carolina humble brag to Cameron. And one thing that I thought was of note, you don't realize that you're in there. How far back the crazies are crazies in the back there. There's a good amount of space between them and the court and even on the side where the crazies are behind the score table. They're still behind the table. We don't I'm watching college basketball highlights in studio is we do the show. I've yet to see a single college game where the fans were right on top of everybody right on the sideline is a couple of like, obviously, we know the press there's cheerleaders. There's camera people. You don't usually see like ten year old kid walking up to the point where they can just touch the player that's on the sideline. I don't understand like you guys. Think that I've lost my mind. I'm I'm curious why you guys want to protect those so much. Or a b says I'm so wrong about this. Tried calling you to debate. I mean again, okay, fine. First of all, you're always welcome to culture, but late say ESPN eight seven to nine three seven seven six if you don't like the little letters it at eight seven nine three seven seven six. But that's that's essentially what you have to do in a situation. Like this. You have to look at every possible scenario. Somebody comes in and says making rules based on quote worst case is how you end up with sledding outlawed by municipalities based on possible liability. You know, what fine? Let's get rid of metal detectors games too. Because I'm sure that's not going to be an issue. Like all of these rules were made for worst case scenarios. You realize that right? So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna figure out worst-case scenarios when you walk in the building we're gonna make sure that people carry clear bags when they walk into stadiums. So that we know that there's nothing going on because of worst case scenarios, but we're cool with everything going right up to that level. Y'all have decided where your level of worst case scenario gets to be. I'll admit the personal experience creates part of my bias here. Like, I think that there should be more constraints concerts. I do. You know, not that's that. That's part of it. Mark says in reference to the Selous portion of it that do jumped over a wall. Enclosed a good deal of distance quickly. No, yes. And they change security as a result. But I don't see what that has to do with the fact that the frankly, can we just look at the q ten year old kid and say my God, if he was not a cute ten year old kid, if he's if he was drunk Twenty-seven-year-old idiot, which we see all the time. Like, we see fans yelling players all the time for the front. We have no problem with that. Because it hasn't turned physical. Then you have what's the worst that can happen guy? So what if he trips them how bad is that? Oh, guy goes down, and tears. Achilles. I'd say that's pretty bad. There's just too many variables here, and you can make more money. Put the scorecard table make a box around this the floor with rotating scorecard faces on it and sell it. So you know, this particular this particular quarter basketball brought to you by straight talk straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G L T E networks. Then you flip it next quarter. This makes so much sense. They can make more money because then it's going to be in the TV broadcast. It's great for kids. I'm not gonna disagree with that. It's awesome. When you see a kid, you know, we all want that mean, Joe Greene moment or you're like, you know, like to give the world a coke. But what about the kissing bandit back in the seventies? Here's a spot where like somebody's big fame was running up to players and kissing them. Can you imagine that now? She wasn't up to no good Jesus. Maybe we allow that. If you allow that Frank in Missouri. Thanks for calling the show, man. What do you got? Hello. Yeah. Yeah. No. We got you. Oh, I agree with you a hundred percent. I think they need to move people back. I think that when you allow somebody to touch a player or reach out and grab it can lead to the things. They could get somebody hurt. Well, I I don't disagree. I mean, that's the ultimate part of it. Like, we're trying to protect tax for the Kalman. We're trying to protect the athletes at some point to just do their job. That's the other thing that we have to remember like the job of an NBA players to go out and play a game the game that he's going to try to win. That is when you buy a ticket to a game. The only thing you are insured is that your going to get to go to a basketball game and watch athletes compete. You're not assured that you're going to get signed shoes, you're not assured that you're going to get sudden access to them. You're not assured that you should get to touch them. Even if you are in the front row because you need the front row of his show doesn't mean that the that you can do that. Brian in Phoenix. Brian next recall on the show, man. What do you got? Sure. Yeah. Just wanted to say, I agree with you. Don't know what the answer is. But just remind everybody I think is about ten years ago. Like, the Monica us thing I wanna say it was the White Sox game. But there was like a father and son that were apparently drunk and jumped onto the field in the middle of the game ran out and started beating up the first based on pyre. You remember that? No, I didn't. I didn't remember that. Everybody's nodding their head. Thanks for the heads up on it, man. I mean, thanks for the call like, yes. That's exactly what we've got to figure out a way to prevent because the thing that so many people are saying is this is not a big deal. I'm over exaggerating it, and that's fine. That's absolutely fine. But I'll go back to everything that I've said to this point. You know, when when you think about what it means? I it some point where do we draw the line? This is one of those things where reactionary we're gonna come back and say, oh my God. How did we not see that? Why did we not create a policy for that? How do we not know that was going to happen that will be everybody's reaction? And what's even better is that if God forbid something happened tomorrow, you know, what you'll be doing people will be screaming at the MBA. Oh, my Lord. How did the NBA not put see this? How did the NBA not put something in place? You'll plame the NBA and it'd be like money hungry sports leagues. Putting the the dollar in front of the safety of the athletes. That's the revisionist history history. I'm trying to be proactive instead of reactive for once. Because there's not an easy solution. I'm just saying. You know, there's not an easy solution when we can sit there and look at it and say, you know, how do we protect what what's the worst? That happens. If we protect players one, maybe two Rosa fans, don't get quite the level of access. That's the worst case scenario the worst case scenario the opposite way is somebody gets hurt at straight talk. Straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G T networks have now gone down the rabbit hole of the incident from two thousand two which is terrible. And obviously major league baseball has learned from it. I just want to prevent that from happening in any way, shape or form in the NBA. There's gotta be some way that we can make sure fans get their access and everyone's protected straight ahead. Six days of coverage coming up for the NFL combine, but I got one big warning. You don't wanna miss next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio. Welcome to Spain. And fits the podcast Spain invents on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty chased him physically tedious being radio presented by progressive insurance. Days of combine coverage coming on ESPN is going to be epic. I have a warning for everybody. But I, you know, one of the best things about hosting a show and having a microphone so that managed to get the last the last word, and every argument, many of you, many of you are are still fired up about my my my thought that they should limit access at NBA games. I just wanna get one more thing in that that answers what several of you are tweeting at this point as people say fans pay to be part of the action. The they sell those tickets blob Oba people buy tickets to games to watch athletes. Aren't they don't go by? They don't buy tickets to watch little kids on the sideline they go. They go to watch the athletes. So what's more important to serve the athletes that are on the court or to serve the two rows that we'd be impacting by changing the seating. Because by impacting to Rosa fans. What is that a couple of hundred fans? I don't math as maestro. Maybe a couple of hundred. There's still eighteen thousand other people in a lot of those arenas and millions of people watching at home and. Those millions of people don't care about little Johnny the wants to give Russell Westbrook or coke. They care about watching. Russell Westbrook play the game. So if the worst case scenario protects the athlete, and it it makes life more difficult for the first two Rosa fans. I'm oh good with that. I'm all good with that all day long. It's paint and Fitz on ESPN radio Jason Fitch with you love getting the last God, you guys would probably tweet me from courtside you savages. I didn't know we had so many rich fans. God most importantly, like invite me. I mean before they take away the first two rows of seats, at least invite me. So I could be your plus one. I wouldn't on that action. So the combine speaking of the action that is out there all over the world. I want in on it because I love the combine. I love the draft. That means I love the combine. In fact, a little secret just for you guys on Saturday. We're hosting at Twitter digital show the world will see my combine drills. I did Himmel. I ran the forty did the three cone drill which actually has four cones some shuffle. Put up a put up some weights to some some verticals standing jump. Not impressive. My numbers not impressive that that will surprise nobody. But it's it's happening because the combines here in the combines here at a different level than we've ever seen before ABC is going to show quarterbacks wide receivers and tight ends on Saturday afternoon. Our guy Trey wingo going to be hosting the coverage from there from indie starting at one o'clock from one to three and also I'll be on Twitter digitally with Daniel Dopp and Andrew Hawkins will be doing a appre game show on Twitter that you can catch on the ESPN Twitter account starting at noon. On Saturday for the combine this is because everybody's enamored particularly with the quarterbacks will Cuyler Murray. Throw who's gonna be better twain Hoskins how big is we learn from sage Rosenfels, by the way, if you missed the interview with sage go check it out on the podcast, check out the entire thing. Because he opened my eyes that it's not about the hand. It's not about the height of Kyla Amaury. He's most curious about the hand size. Hand size is going to be an issue for Kyla Murray as a tiny handed man, I can appreciate that. It's when we're all going to be paying attention to. And that's what you should be paying attention to what you shouldn't pay attention to at all is whatever your GM says whatever somebody said your team's gonna do whoever you suddenly think your team's gonna draft. Would you want right now? More than ever is for your favorite team to make it through the next five days invisible. Nobody talking about your favorite team perfect. No big hot takes from your favorite team. Even better. Whatever you do here right now. Whatever you're hearing from the camps in Indy is ally in your opponent in the game. I'm sorry. This is true. Really think that G M's going to like they're all playing poker? You got thirty two billionaires playing poker. Can you imagine what the anti is? When you've got thirty two billionaires playing poker. And they're all playing poker, and they all have different hands. They're all stacked in different directions in everybody's trying to outlaw if everybody the one thing they're not going to do. The one thing they won't allow happen to show their cards now some owners are better poker players and others. Certainly if you look at all the football is a poker match. Sarah, Chicago, Bears outplayed, my Oakland, Raiders on the hand that got them Khalil Mack. Right. That's just the way this thing goes. But when it comes to the draft everything is about posturing is it team going to take is a team going to take a quarterback at the top. I don't know. I mean, even Mike Mayock raiders GM said combine we kinda lied to each other a little bit instead of opening up to each other about our draft boards. Jia think Mike you think. And people behind the curtain of the show. We've got several different types of fans that work on the show. Mike works on the show with us. It's a big jets fan. The jets pick ripe for the raiders. The daily conversation for Mike an eye on who's leveraging who and who's trying to get the better deal because we both want to see our team acquire more picks in superstar players. That's all you want. That's to fans, what do you think is like between the billionaires that are actually affected by the outcome. Imagine if suddenly instead of just watching the draft you had you had hundreds of millions of dollars on it. I mean, that's what's happening, and we all want to turn around and react to it. He got the giants saying, hey, we're good with Eli. He's going to be around another year. He got Steve time the GM of the cardinal saying, well, you know, we're we're happy with Josh Rosen. But we we haven't completed completed our draft analysis process yet, of course, because everybody what everybody wants this is simple. There's a reason we're showing Saturday of the draft on ABC because that's a day Kyla Murray and Dwayne Haskins or in action, and what every thinking person in this draft wants me you every GM every TV exact they want Kyla Murray and Dwayne Haskins come out and put on a show. They wanna clinic. Because we all know the giants might be in the quarterback market at six. So all of a sudden, what's it mean? What did we want? When the draft hits Nashville. We want trade. We want excitement. Oh, my God is somebody going to try and trade with San Francisco to get ahead of the jets because they want to stay ahead of the raiders. This all is born out of what happens today. But the one thing you want from your team is to not know. Slow and low here. It's like barbecue. Let everything goes slow and low what you don't want is big reaction. You don't wanna see the word riser accompanied with your team. Like, if you see I remember last year watching the drafting continually throwing my raiders hat to the ground. If you see riser attached to your favorite team next week as a player that they wanna pick throw your hat to the ground you're angry because that means you're GM just decided to forty time matters more than all the film in the world. Not a good sign. If you suddenly hear trade rumors coming out for your favorite team throw your hat to the ground. None of it's true. Right. Anything you here right now is a lie. The only thing that has any value out of the next five days to you as a fan is the one thing you're not going to hear about. If you really care about a player with your team, particularly the seal it moment, the defining moment of the combine is the interview, and they don't televise that. Now. The only reason you ever hear about your team during an interview is when they ask a non work appropriate question. That's when you throw your hat to the ground and say my God make it easy for me to be a fan. There aren't many things you can do right now. Other than fall in love with the players. That's the most important part. Because essentially the combine is a parade to beauty pageant. Everybody's going to be paraded out. It's a patch him. There's a fine line between watching Paget you're watching this America. You're appreciating the skill of a fashion. All of a sudden three months later, you're on our sixteen constraints straight of toddlers TR's, and you're like how did I get here? Right. You don't wanna be in the toddlers and TR's binge-watching mode with this. What you wanna do? Is you want to appreciate for what it is you want? Appreciate skill set. You want to get to know players that you think your favorite team might pick that you think that teams that you hate might pick because it gives you an opportunity to know your your team or no your opponent. You want to see how how guys waxed philosophical about these drills that we don't really know anything about as I said earlier the three cone drill has four cones. If I want anything from Trey wingo. I want him to explain to me why the three cone drill has four cones. Trae police got helped me. Those are the moments you can get something out of this. That's the value on it watching special athletes do things that's the entertainment value on it. But in some point you've got to decide you're gonna treat this a little like you treat the Pro Bowl. This is a little like watching big boys. Play dodgeball. It's fun. It's entertaining. It makes you smile. But what you don't wanna see for the next five days. We're used to hearing all the time team say at the end of the year. All my God. Don't get in the news. We don't want our favorite player to be in the news. That's all we want. Right. The next five days. What you don't want is your favorite team in the news because no news that they're gonna make over the next five or six days is going to be good news for you as a fan in the twenty one thousand nine hundred twenty twenty season. Straight ahead. It's either an upset alert or or a huge comeback opportunity happening right now, we'll tell you where next Spain and Fitz on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Welcome to Spain and fits the podcast convince on ESPN radio the ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Jason Fitz. We got an upset Berra ruin right now. The NBA's to give the keeps on giving. You know, just when you think you figured out where the game's going to go and how it's gonna look. Nope. We don't know the heat right now are not just beating the heat or categorically thumping Golden State seventy four to fifty nine. That's right. Seventy four to fifty nine right now, Steph curry and Katie combined two of twelve from three point land. Not good. Also impressive right now. Only one only one player looks like everybody else for the the heat only one player hasn't scored Derek Jones juniors. The only guy that hasn't gotten on the board. Everybody else that was active tonight has scored talk about balance at this point in a plus minus ratios are through the roof for the guys. So they're they're running an efficient offense again a done. They just went to the half in. It's seventy four to fifty nine. And this is the the Golden State team. We we're just sort of have to learn to accept right now. That's the hardest part about looking at the NBA this year. We don't love to talk about the games. Right. But how do you know what meaning to take from the games, especially when they involve Golden State. How do you know what? Meaning to give any of the NBA stuff going on right now on the court when the reality of our situation is we all believe we know who's going to win. It's one thing that really hit me last night working on sportscenter on Snapchat. Was we were watching Toronto just dismantle Boston sitting there saying in some point we have to accept it. The NBA is different now than it was last year. And this time last year we were all convinced that Boston was going to be built for the future last summer. It looked like we knew exactly where everybody was going to be even a few weeks ago. Philly makes a blockbuster trade. You look at it and say well Philly. Philly's going to be the best team in the east now and Milwaukee sitting over over here saying, hey, you don't wanna pay attention. We're Milwaukee is forty six and fourteen and they've won five straight nine of their last ten. What's even more? Impressive milwaukee's. Twenty one in nine on the road this year. Think about that. Milwaukee is absolutely crushing. And we have no idea. What context to put it in? I was sitting there last night with Jay Williams, one of my favorites for college and NBA coverage. We were having an entire conversation about the problems with the Celtics and in the process of talking about the problems with the Celtics. I said Jay will why is it all we are? We ever do is talk about the problems with Boston, and we don't ever credit the successes of Milwaukee. And he just looked at me. Couple seconds later said you're right. Milwaukee can win the east. Well, we don't know how to find context for many of it. And it's tough because the warriors are forty-three in seventeen. They're losing right now if you're just tuning in again upset so far there down seventy four fifty nine at the half. Seventy four fifty nine. Tonight where frankly they're shooting fifty percent from the field. They're shooting twenty four percent, basically from three point line. And they're they're letting the heat go off the heater shooting sixty three percent and fifty from free throw from three point line. You know, you think about that. And we can't find context. Golden State forty three and seventeen and it feels like the world's falling, right? The sky is falling around Golden State. Maybe they don't care anymore. I don't know. I don't know. But what I do know is that until we see the warriors losing the play offs. We just watched night in and night out and think. They'll figure it out. A big news today in the in the NFL, we want to get you to some of it check this out. As you just heard Nick foles no longer with the Philadelphia Eagles. The presumption was they were gonna franchise him. They didn't franchise him as a result. He now will hit the open market. There's gonna be conversation about will they'll get compensatory picks. And I have to say this again loudly. Compensatory picks are maybe depending on what the league does. And depending on what the contract is that Nick foles signed somewhere else. It also depends on what the eagles do free agency. It's it's sort of a net gain loss situation for the story picks. So the eagles decided that maybe they'll get a third round pick for next year's draft rather than ship Nick foles to control destination right now. And what does that mean? That means for example, if the Washington Redskins wanna get creative and bring in Nick foles quarterback while Alex Smith heels, they can do it. That means he can go anywhere. He likes at this point. Means that he can turn around and control his own destiny. And as much as we want to believe, and this is something we'll never know. I mean, it makes sense to think the eagles went to Nick and said, we'll do right by you you do right by us. I mean that makes sense will let you go. Now, we'll let you get to the open market before the draft. So you can make a bunch of money signed a two or three year deal. We'll let you do that. We just want your word, you know, your your bond that you won't sign with somebody within the division show might happen. Might happen. We have no idea, and it could be the Nick foles comes back to the eagles. He could test the market and suddenly decide you know, what there's not much here. There's going to be a really interesting decision to be made because we've all just presumed that Keiler Murray is going to be the first pick in the draft which I find laughable given that in most draft minds Dwayne Haskins was a better quarterback a month ago. So I don't know what really happened there. Let's see where these measurable is. Come back, we presume that everybody's gonna roll up to get a quarterback at the top of the draft. Let's remember that there are teams like the dolphins that are sitting around thirteen. What are the dolphins wanted to the dolphins? Wanna take a chance on quarterback in the draft. Or do they want to sign Nick foles? It's not an easy situation to be in for foles. Because again the teams that are quarterback needy. The jags. I just mentioned the dolphins the Redskins. They don't have a lot of money. All three of those teams according to over the cap dot com. Have under nineteen million dollars. Available caps face. The Jags only have half a million half a million. Now. And then you start to look down the the board and say, okay, where else can you go and start and if he's going to go somewhere and be a backup. Why wouldn't he come back to the place where he knows he can play? Me. It sounds shocking. But what if we have a real situation here where Nick foles turns around test the open market, and then says, you know, what fun value here if you the eagles. That's the only thing you can hope right now, if you're an eagles fan that is your only hope because let me be clear there aren't very many teams that need a quarterback. Let me also be clear Nick foles is clearly the best of the available quarterbacks right now. So if you're the Philadelphia Eagles who by the way, also haven't done a cap space, and you now need a backup. Who? Who you suddenly get into makes you feel so good about it. Because if you're the Philadelphia Eagles in you go in to next season without a capable dependable backup. You have let your entire fan base down. When you have a quarterback that is missed substantial time in multiple years due to injury. You have to Bank on the fact that he may miss time again. It's just true. When you have a quarterback that never misses games. You don't have to worry about it. There are certain franchises the eagles. The titans your quarterback gonna games. So get yourself a backup. And get yourself a quality backup. If your answers. Well, they're going to draft somebody in the fourth or fifth ground. Great great because that's what you want. You wanna fourth or fifth round quarterback in a quarterback class? That's weaken this draft to suddenly come in. And after man the ship for four games. I don't and this isn't a rebuilding team. This eagles team is not a team that sitting around saying, well, if we can go eight Nate next year, that's good. That's not the mindset of the Philadelphia Eagles. They're disappointed in the way this season win that's a fan based on a team that expects to compete right now for playoff spots and ultimately for the Super Bowl. That's what they expect. And when you expect that and you have a quarterback that MRs time every year. How do you not somehow some way address that with somebody? You can trust. They did the right thing for the player. I can't find the way that it's not the wrong thing for the franchise. So what if it helps play a relations in a few years when you're signing people, and they say, well, he decreed by Nick foles what they accept me for right now. Nothing and quick note here money money's what draws him free agents doing the right thing. Beautiful, but money money's even better. I'm looking at the Philadelphia Eagles. And I'm saying man, this is a team that we expect big things from and now this is a team that the entire year is going to be incredibly nervous about the quarterback. Because no matter who they get it won't be as good as who they just like go, and they let that player go for nothing. They let that Blair go on the possibility that next year, the NFL will reward them graciously with an unpredictable Jeff pick. I'm back tomorrow for three hours. Trey wingo expected to join us. You get Freddie and fixed Simmons next, thanks for listening to Spain on ESPN radio.

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EPISODE 102: QB Trade Requests & Team Loyalty for the third time

NuChannel Sports Podcast

59:27 min | 7 months ago

EPISODE 102: QB Trade Requests & Team Loyalty for the third time

"Thanks for two into the podcast on this episode. We are going to talk about is it. Okay the change team loyalty and we also dissect the quarterback situations going on with russell wilson and shawn watson. I don't know when my right now. I'm thinking if they are as stubborn as i think they are. They're not gonna make a move to address draft. That's the win for me. But they should be. They should have been just once. David cody sat down and talked to the shawn watson and tried to put his two cents into xiao wassels like growth. I'm not playing. I do not want to be david kosher. Backseat jack easterby. To to count. Mcnair nick stereo by a and resigned and a quick doing your into the new channels so all sports hot gas ladies and gentlemen. This is the new channel sports podcast. I am the one and only owe any. I am so pleased. You can join us this morning this evening this afternoon where you are. I am very very happy. You're joining us right now. I am one of three host on the new channel sports. Podcast i am joined by big was going down big low coming down and they start every every time i say your your your intro does make you feel so bad that your your voice so beat man i just. I can't compete. I just can't compete in all the way across from me phenomena. One chris how you doing brother. Hey you brought angie. I gotta give these if you bring energy. I'm bringing the energy what's good like. That's what i like. It is your first time. Listen to this podcast. Please please subscribe any major podcast platform. You can also check us out on afro vibes. Tv as well go ahead and download the roku tv. Check us out. We do some some good things there as well on a website as well new channel sports net this new channels any a ann. L. dot net right. Sports awesome sports new channel. Sports dot. net's so let's get right into it. Let's get into some headlines. It's time all air. So ben rothlisberger big. Ben looks like he's going to be a pittsburgh steeler for one more year he actually reduced his from nineteen meal to fourteen to get that one more year in pittsburgh. I don't know man and i don't know an open. Desert should move off from mirror now. But what are the options. Really have but big ben's going to be there for one more year. What you guys think about. Big ben in pittsburgh i've always liked be banned. And here's my gripe i. It's a it's a love hate relationship because i i feel i feel. He kind of does himself into service. Because every other quarterback puts in work to you know to to be healthy looked apart and terms with physique. You know to take the game seriously. The have that longevity. I'm a look at tom. Brady drew brees in a look at these other guys right and he just kinda looks like you just had a couple of beers gets up gets. I don't feel it's just like with all the injuries that you're having clearly you know there's issues with and weight and things like that you know but with all that being said he still had a really productive year last year. I'll just looking at the thirty touchdown. Attendance such ratio which is really good after coming off that showed that elbow surgery is i mean he. He tore every tendon or three ten elbow. Things story The throwing elbow So for me. I'd like to see him have a long career. I think he's got some more time with him but if he will take care of themselves physically He can play. You know to forty two forty three. He could do that. he's not going to do that. Time to move on. We saw where that offense wasn't a dynamic last year because you know he can throw and once again it's coming off injury but I'm i'm glad he's coming back with the issue. Was that massive cap hit. You're talking about i if i'm not mistaken. Forty million forty nine million dollars cap hit that stupid going to have the need to reduce that about fifty million dollars. So he's coming back and he'll be here for two twenty one. So i i am happy that he's back as your question. It's for For them to move on. they've gotta bring gager. I believe that one hundred and ten percents. All right ain't any Appease an actress no problem as anything. Big member okay. Who was cam. You have a whole bunch of things to say. That's not start. That's why we would say bro sees you a vitamin to talk. We could move on all right next topic on a headline less miles Lsu internal investigation found less miles had appropriate behavior with female workers in two thousand thirteen. There's a lot of key. Say she say as far as it's concerned we have some workers saying that less mouse kissed them. That's mouths denying that. He kissed anybody of the female saying that he met up with them. And you know you try to contact them. Facebook and text message just a whole bunch of things going on i. What would you guys say about his name bro. I mean it's really not so so it's allegedly right. But he did. He met up with female students at the university and alleged parties. He did some things. He shouldn't have done within. That throws me off is his excuse. His excuse was well. How's mentoring female students bro. You are a coach at an end. Z aa teams division. one football. You need to be answered the fellas your your teammates. I mean you teammate. You your players so his excuse tells you all you need to know. He was doing something wrong bra. I'm i'm which on this you know. He's he's worried about that. You know that the young college tail earn around there supposedly spending top now. He should be put in that time like she said with the players right You know and when your coaches and all that but they make it upper. That didn't make that they can make those Those allegations of that so You know you. In kansas right now. Hopefully you're not doing the same thing but phone sticks ninety allowed. He's not allow getting his band. He's been asked damn shame. It's very similar to our member. Bobbie portray no phrase duty obstinate on his motorcycle. Women who is not his wife This is the whole bad. Look this smells. Something smells like that. It's it's not a good look next. Top of discussion the nba. All star games going to be more seven. We have team. Lebron going up against team durant. They had to draft Wednesday where janas onto the kupa was the first pick in the draft. But let me go over. Two teams rotate. Lebron team is stars. Jaanus steph curry luka doncic jokic and of course lebron james with the reserves being dame willard ben simmons chris paul jaylen brown paul george sa- bonus and who'd eagle bear then on kevin durant side of course is going to pick up his teammate. Kyrie irving joel embiid. Quite leonard bradley. Beal jason tatum. That'd be the starters there for team durant down the bench. Got james harden best. James harden a bench. My boy devon booker science. Williamson zach levine. Julius randle giusiano silently having one of one incredible season actually by the way Donovan mitchell and the center from the orlando nikola. So bad not bad. It's pretty pretty evenly matched. i think the bench for durant's team might be slightly better. That james harden there so you guys will be tuned into the all star game this sunday. Maybe maybe not. No sunday you milady time and so the problem will be watching all all-star right in probably cuss milot's pro. How about you. Chris from we love me. I'm like i'll find something else to do. I'll watch a little bit. You know if this competitive. I'll wash but they've already told us that they don't want to be there. So there's really not a lot of incentive to watch. I might to in here and there to see what's going on. I might tune in. It seems like this year is as well. I am what year was. But i think a couple of years ago. They're playing really really competitive. All-star game was really fun to watch. They are actually given their all I don't know that was last year reform house last year those last year that. Yeah yeah yeah. So they were all into their all showing some yuba county down on the basketball court. It was really fun to watch if they do that again this year and i might tune in. But who knows who knows. That's on the elam ending right right right that that made a dope as well. Yeah that is true. That is true all right so that is head lines channel sports guests presents. Ask reason i tried to go near the offshore. But i can't believe the or sean lynch the backfield gun guy. I can't believe the call all right. So what you just heard was the ending of super bowl. Forty nine between the seattle seahawks and new england patriots. Russell wilson threw an interception indian-zone to malcolm butler which would give newington to win. The england's have so many close games like that so many close winds. Ira watching that game ended at the two things you that really stand out is the expressions onto those faces. Right are their emotions tom. Brady's gentleman air he's ecstatic. He knows that they've just one. And then you see. Richard sherman the look on his face. He cry like it was highly disappointing. I'm pretty sure. Russell wilson steal things about that game to his the everybody on. Seal team pick peak aero unless issues probably still calling russell. Wilson's they should have handed me off the hammer that was. That was a very very interesting call. I i'll never forget it. I won't. I'll never forget that point. Can you imagine being a seattle. Almost supersonic seattle seahawk fan. Can you imagine watching that. Be latian because we gotta take a bag. One play right you guys remember that your main curse tach bra that was probably one of the biggest patches in super bowl history. It was amazing. Bobbling that bobbling then catching it was just an amazing play. It would have been the play of the super bowl in my one of the greatest plays for the super bowl but we will never ever see that replay because of what happened. They didn't run the ball. Run the ball if other one yard live. Run the ball. I don't know what they were thinking. Big i really really pretty they you and for me. What sums it up is night. Even richard sherman's face is russell wilson when he kinda claps his hands after ms the play like shoot. I'll get mixed blood like no play over. There is no next play is done. It's over with snow That's what stands out to me and then also the ability while what's seemed like the seahawks having a chance to have a dynasty right because if you win the super bowl that student superbos not just one super bowl and the fact that they lost it in that manner and they never got back because they're looking to go back to back right noting that gone back to that point other than the patriots so that made it even worse and they really dominated that game they should. It should have been one earlier so it was an amazing amazing super bowl. But there's the biggest letdown. I think i've ever seen in my life. If i were a seattle seahawk fan about about this for years. I don't know what's worse. The falcons thinking you one when you're up twenty eight three or being on the one yard line have the most dominant yard rusher game and not giving him the ball. I really don't know what's worse bro. Up a own net and had to go back and watch that that final drive. You gotta remember. I started off with a big o. Catch from marshawn lynch on the wheel and cash budget marinko curse us talking about and the answer that drive at what the two minute warning so it was perfect. You run out the clock. You leave new england without a chance to come back and win that game. And i'm going back and i'm watching it. I remember it. I'll house angry because marshawn had a monster game and then after reception you just watch. Pete carroll flap his gums and chewing gum. I'm like bra. You you lost this one russ yeah russ could have changed the play at the at the you know at at at the golan whatnot man. But this was the coaches fault. I'm not blaming us for that. I'm not because that was a good drive. Pinpoint throws and i'm tired of. That's now four. That's four super bowls. That new england has one awesome. Bs you got three awesome field goals. He got this right here that was handed to them. Because you talk about Tom brady's face when he celebrating well his face when they were posting their golan. Saying oh crap. We're going to lose his game so yeah peak. Caraman you handed handed tom brady. That's who and instead the talk mosul number seven which you've been talking about super bowl number eight sorry super bowl number six that he just one. I mean you could say that about a couple of games ali. Truly that he doesn't mention the atlanta falcon game and you know is very similar because julio jones had one of the more incredible catches i've ever seen in my life down the sidelines. And that's the catcher. I thought oh this is for you. Were thought that the game was over right after that sort but atlanta found a way to to mess it up. So that's a very good which one is worse is seattle on that one yard line or atlanta blowing at twenty eight to three lead. I i still don't know atlanta's worse. Think so no. That was worse because you had the patriots where you could have demoralized them and taking them out the game you're about twenty eight points and the fact that they mounted the largest comeback in super bowl history to come back and win that game in the fascinated. incomplete domination. it was it was. It was two different halves right. Yes seattle very disappointing. However that the game was still in reach you know for new england but atlanta l. a colossal failure right. I think it was the seattle. And i'll tell you why any houston texans and watch the texans. This season saw them lose. Two games on the goal line has lost two games on the golan was regular season and was distraught. I cannot imagine what would happen if the texans laws or anything. I'm rooting for the seahawks. In this case loss on the one yard line and the super bowl are you need is one yard. You're right there in. It didn't run the ball. So i gotta go with that. Sea hawks game is it was it. was terrible. The falcons and you saw it coming. It was like a bad movie right. So you see the movie starring up like oh this is this is going bad for the seahawks gonna prompt abrupt end. Everybody got shot. Everybody go see hawks. i wanna go with atlanta. Because even with the seahawks they were just coming off a championship right. They got that champa under bill right. They're feeling good with themselves. They're going into it and then it has nothing to them. Are they got the job ward is that they gave the big lead it's history eighty know-how atlanta atlanta's one earth rubio and they got blown out So i mean. I think i think was worse that i really really think but just because seattle won the previous year. They were actually got a chip. So but that was flashback. We went back to with that. Two thousand fifteen. Maybe two thousand fifteen or two thousand fourteen. I believe that game was played in phoenix super bowl. Forty now yells to them fifteen. Who took a team. But speaking of russell wilson russell wilson and the shaun watson to illeg quarterbacks right now in the nfl both quarterbacks seemingly one out the shell was made that abundantly clear he wants out. Russell wilson has given the seattle seahawks fourteen. He will go to. they decided traded. But you know he's got asthma trade but if you do do these fourteen. I want to go so i wanna ask you guys. I guess when and where were these two trade at if there will be traded right so let's I will tell you for rust. To be traded wins should be never. Don't trade him if you see hawks but based on what we have seen. There's a good chance it could happen. And it is going to happen. The win for both quarterbacks what. I'm sticking restaurant now. It's gotta be before the draft because that's when you get the most assets you're probably get more picks in your nowhere. You're picking ones rest. Goes to with zine they could have project to be a third big but once he gets there they could be a playoff team and all of a sudden A number four pictures number twenty six overall pick much less desirable right. So i'd say when before the draft and wear a million low. We we talked about this a little bit on opera vibe stevie on our new china sports show but odds beirut low. I'm gonna make you happy. Broke you right if it is. Where'd you go from dallas. The dallas cowboys. I think if he is moved he's going to dallas now. Think about this. Make a real good guy. Russell wilson ease the star right. You had sierra white. She's a star. And then you have the star on the helmet breath in dallas. I'll tell you a right now. I'm already off the texan bandwagon. Not a texas fan at that point. I'm rocking cowboys gear. Kabwe is done at that point so right. Now you're saying russell wilson going to go to dallas. That's his destination. If he's moving if he is moving he's going to douse so all three stars align. I liked that i liked that. They're like that man In my honest opinion roseanne going and only reason. I think this is happening. Right now is because sierras like i'm tired of seattle. I'm tired of the. I'm tired of the rain. I'm tired of the clouds. And i wanted to be closer to home. I want to move back south. And there's no market here. And i can't fill out. I can't sell out stadiums here my concerts. I can't do that in dallas. I can do that and chicago can probably do that and nevada i condemn. Show do that so so. She's ready to go. I don't think he's going anywhere. I think he's gonna stay there. I think they're gonna put into good team around him. Put some office alignment around him And continue to win games because it just doesn't make sense to be you know thirty one of thirty two year old quarterback who is consistently in the playoffs or were you know And they're just a couple of steps away a couple of players away so i don't see that happening if one. Yeah just like you said. And he's happened before he's having before the draft. If it were to go anywhere you know. I mean dallas be a good destination. But it'll be tough because you know dak would have to agree to a contract with seattle. He can't agree with one dallas already. You know before that happens and all the other intricacies of that entire situation so that but that that'd be a dream scenario obviously but i see him sitting pat. I mean he's russell. Wilson is seattle seahawks organization. But just doesn't make sense from. I agree with you. Ward fourteen to raiders the bears cowboys and the saints writing and the same. Yeah those were afford places that he said he would go. But it's interesting. You guys bring airtime. It's safe sierras name. I just think about her during a super bowl. Did you see that clip. Where he's talking to. Roger goodell and russell wasn't as like he does not want to be there. He's always saying that you were saying right now. You know. I can't tell me takes over here. I wish guys to see now. Is this look like russell. Wilson was so uncomfortable being there with sierra. But i don't think he's not going anywhere. I really don't think seattle is going to find a way to i guess mend duration between him and p carol. Because what i've been hearing is that he wants to pass the ball more. He wants to be more open. And pete care still wants to have like a. He wants more than he did last night. That's what i'm that's where. I'm confused a little bit. That's why you can hit so damn much. I don't know man. I i really must pass more. He just wants more control an it. Okay okay. which means he's going to pass war right. You gotta realize passing. Moore's fine but also scheme you're running it lasts schottenheimer. I it's just it's a. It's a running based schemes even when they open it up. It's all russ you know when you watch mahomes you see him. Make some blazer like these are just easy passes either easy place to make. An arrest is not easy play. He's running for his life. He just went to scheme. Where live with a little easier for anything. He wants to do that at the helm like he wants to be. The one call in the places the line well. We'll talk about. He's already doing right. I don't is really hard to really evaluate this. Because i really don't know what exactly is going on honestly and truly you. We all say that. Maybe he doesn't have as much control as we think he has. But do early know that. I don't know I thought effort because he's not gained counter protection that he wants his office of line because to be truly out of the seattle nearly had a really good office of line since I guess marshawn lynch left air right through right so they've kind of you know. Spend our money on him. Because he's on a big contract and so we're able to get off his atlanta. He wanted to. I'm chris kind of lose some of that in his takedown when he's talking about quarterbacks as they get paid they don't really have enough tools around him to continue to go to play offs. I mean to super bowls and things of that nature so it's really hard to evaluate. I don't know. I really don't know what happened here. But we used win. In the where i think. He's never he goes seattle. Seattle is not gonna do anything. They're going to be like a man we we. We have always their options. Were going to ask what you russell. I don't know if he's going to push more as far as wanting to be traded and be like no. I do wanna go somewhere i do want to be traded. I don't know why he wanted to go to the bears. Though i don't notice that the and truly but say's who knows who knows so the watson he's on the other end of the spectrum right when and where for me. I know where. I am almost eighty percent. Sure that he's going to go here. Because the only location to meet it makes sense for him and texans. They're not to trade him to the jacksonville jaguars they're not going to trade him within the division kind of similar to what j. what he wasn't gonna go and play somewhere within the division. I don't think they're going to trade him to the jets even though they have on the acid they want and they had a quarterback. There don't think they're gonna trade him. They're either the only destination. I can really think of that makes sense for me. Is the miami dolphins. That is the win destination. Where i think the shawn watson will go now at this point. They're saying that. You know neko stereo and takes are not taking any calls but dating. Start getting cost okay. 'cause i don't know when my right now i'm thinking if they are as stubborn as i think they are. They're not gonna make a move to after the draft. That's the win for me. But they should be. They should have been just once david. Kelly sat down and talked to the shawn watson and tried to put his two cents in and the xiao watson was like bro. I'm not playing for you. I do not want to be here. David kosher went back to jack. Easterby to to count mcnair nick stereo a and resigned and adequate david. He waited thirty years to to get a head. Coaching another thirty nine go do trust ego. He would've loved the show. Be there but he's been overlooked so he's probably surprised when he got heckled up. What the so. He wasn't going to give that up. he's in. He was a broom. now as a quarterback. He's gonna be a head coach but after all that he should've went to them be like man. We got trade him and try to get some acids for him. Because the only reason the texans right now would not trade. The xiao watson is because of a grudge their inner feelings to like. Oh you pay us. You can go pay for nobody. That's basically what they'll be doing if they're smart because right now. The iron is hot honestly and truly ather everything during the season. Who knows what's going to happen. Who knows a quarterbacks are going to emerge gonna be drafted. They're going to be with their new teams and is not going to be as many teams out there looking for shots into probably the next season i would i would. I would hate it for the texans to waste a year because of a grudge. yeah remain. The logical thing to do would be so to answer the question. The win would be before the draft. The wear would be to any team that offers you the best assets but what team is actress. Gimme a team matter. It doesn't matter if you can get a quarterback got check out my my my it to texas plus call i gave you. I'd go check that out on youtube. Check that out for me. It's is no texans. Aren't rational so. I'm not going to give them. I'm not gonna even think about it. Rationally the answer to the win is never because they're not going to trade him. That's my this boy. They're not rational. They're going to hold onto him as long as they want to hold onto him because he is the player. A gordon nichols area and the where is he's going to be houston texas for as long as it's accents. Decide they want to hold onto him. When the texans games knicks cereal all we heard was that he is a competent in smart. Gm so far. He's been tough smart and dependable guy and beer texans fan. You know exactly what that means. He's been anything but he hasn't done anything to assure us. That being the number one guy from the patriots means he's a good gm. He's been absolutely nothing but to a job and made it worse to a job and made it worse. I do not see the texans trading him anytime soon and if they do. I have no competence. If they're going to do it right they may get a second round pick in the third round pick. And maybe i if if they ask for but i i could see them just traded him to. I can't even see him. Trade him to the bears right and maybe getting one first round pick and take them back your bisky something stupid. That would be a travesty. Chris well. I'm just telling my point is they're not rational so i will no longer approach the team right so they're not my thing there. The team as being rational man. Bro out be a damn travesty. I'm chris i don't i don't know i don't think they're going to trade him. Which would be really really dumb dumb as hell if they don't. I mean the iron is hot. There teams out there that have young talented. They can unload the have draft picks. Miami's much choice. My brought this up on new channels sports at a afro vibes. Our show that comes on on on sundays. I said i would like to see the shawn watson with the washington football team. That will be lethal. That'd be lethal. that'd be crazy when you're talking about a come up for the football team and organization that's been hasn't been what they're not a who's worse you know the watched football team or he's tested as far as the way they run organization but at least they have a competent coach right that of course rivera out there. Who's a competent coach. He's a coach. And he's bringing structure and orders that organization. All the team needs a quarterback you know and then i don't know what their caps situation look like but there's a trade that there's trae scenarios where you can load one of your eleven first round draft picks that play at the same time on the fantastic defensive line at they have. You will load one of those players. You load a i you know. Two first round draft picks shawn watson. They can do that because their quarterback away with a couple of receivers in us a really talented football team. Now i i can see When it has to happen as with you know russ it has to happen before the draft. You know because there's plenty once again as you know some good quarterbacks towns of quarterbacks and some other next couple of one or two cornerstone cornerbacks drafting. That can really help football team but the texans. They're just they're being headstrong. They don't wanna be bullied all this show. They don't wanna show weakness. They've messed up. they're trying to clean up. You know from what Bill o'brien The the mess that bill o'brien caused But they're messing things up even more you know so. I don't know i don't know what's going to happen. But my hope is that they end up trading him anywhere but the new york jets. The you're just have plenty of assets but you know you're going to probably the worst run organization out of all thirty two football teams and the lowest point real quick of quick things one. You talk about salary cap. One interesting thing about the shining. He's still under his rookie. Deal signed that big contract underneath fifth year so far gave him on. The team is going to be easy. As far salary caps sir and then to the second point he also has a note drake so danes. I mean any situation better than the in houston. I'm weeping with that lady traded to washington washington football team. I my command feeds. All that is. I like bob good. Yeah i don't think the shawn watson is going to go to washington. I think i think wants to the takes. He was a football team. Like nope gotta go. They're going to do it. But i would think about it is. I think he would okay. A trade to the two jets. I think that's wanna teams that he's okay with and they're not a much better situation than to washington football team or the texans right in terms of talent. Yes so it's gonna be very very interesting to see how this thing goes down People always talking about who has a leverage is the texans or is it the shower watson and. I really don't know how to to to really figure out who has liberty. It's the texas really. Wanna play a grudge match. Where here like. They really won't get their feelings. Of course they had to leverage because he's under contract they can keep the xiao watson four. What three years really and truly what doing a damn thing. But that's gonna be a bad look on that organization it would be and then the sean is gonna if south this year from minicamps train caps to preseason and then throughout the season the shah's losing twenty twenty one million dollars doesn't care about that he's basis eight of the care about that but he wouldn't he wouldn't lose all that he'd lose about three to four million dollars because his contract still guaranteed right. So he's going to get paid. They if they want to go super super patty which no team has ever done and go after the contract money which. I don't see then they could do that then. That would be newgen though situation. They did anything of that nature. I've been nfl would have step it and if a black now have you heard that story this taking a little left i gotta have. You heard the story. That sage rosenfels the rosen copier told about cow mcnair. No i haven't heard o- rosenfels talk about an he. He speak into david. Carr texans i quarterback and david cars only store. He told him about comic neri's he went inside cowed. Mcnair office in kabul was sitting on the floor. This is years ago playing video games. That's our owner. A guy who is in a building in a management role sitting on the floor probably indian style. I guess you can't say that. No more across his legs cross playing video games. But the will you say though i could definitely see like guess what about. I could definitely see of doing that. So what you're saying to tell me that the houston texas running our organization where you would if you you're playing madden twenty twenty one. He was probably. that's probably what he was playing too. So that means you turn off the salary cap so you can sign every put that you won't to a plan on man you you probably on on a rookie year. You go man. But i mean if the texans do decide to be as petty as possible is not going to be a good for them. They have to figure out a way to unleash. The shawn watson because at the end today what is going to do is this is going to affect your organization to were other players by later. This they're going to do this. Show watson where they're gonna do to me you know what i'm saying just wasn't has the back of the players. I'm a hundred percent. Sure about that so they got they got. The guys are being paid to let it. Go take the one other ill that they'd been taking so far in this ad this one to the elle's and try to rebuild from there. The good news is this is the last l. They have to take more else guys. Texas go find a way. This is the last one they will find a way. We we had a podcast. I can remember what pockets it was but it will be in chris. We were debating. What shall we should do at in that whole debate. We never said anything about the xiao watson just demand a trade and this is something that we we couldn't even phantom so now did this out and this is this is part of the reason ruben goat. So our next topic of discussion going to be the loyalty again. This is the third time we're talking about this but this goes to that discussion. So let's are we done with this. Could we just move onto that now. I'm i'm done. I mean 'cause that's that's where i'm going right now As far as team loyalty. And when is it okay to move on. When is it okay to change team loyalty one of our other co host. Here trae was free agent at one time. He was a fan free agent at one time a long long time ago when the cowboys were pissing him off he knew he wasn't gonna goanywhere but he decided he won't be a fan create and he told me that he was writing letters to other teams. Turn them the he's available he's available. Be a fan for that team. The texans have jd. Me so bad i do. You wanna be a fan of any team. At first i was chris. I was like wherever it is. Sean goes data. Wrangler go now anymore. Now this is oh and if you listen to podcasts. You're say oh. This is totally different than what you said before. Because before i described as a marriage whatever team for till death do you part. You're going to have to ride with that team to the sun comes down k the texas kilby. I am dead as far as fat is concerned. I am numb like narrow. This numbness key. The andre hopkins is traded for a pack of pena's basically okay. Jj watt is gone. Puri news when me gone anyway. Like with everything going on with the houston. Texans delays glimmer of hope. That i had was that the shawn watson right and it's not even about because there are some houston texas fans that i've talked to that. Hate my gus right now. Oh you'll you fan. Because the show was his there. You should be a houston fan like you said until death. Do you park but mattress about that. It's about you lost a franchise quarterback. How does that these. I cannot ride would a team. That has fumbled so hard. You can do whatever you want to. I've written with the oilers. The gave of the biggest lead in playoff history to the buffalo bills k. I was hurt. My heart was bleeding. But i still to this day. Rep the houston oilers the way the travesty that the houston texas have done to me and my family. Even though my wife's a cow is still a factor a little bit to me and my family is just too much. I can't do it anymore or no. I can't not do it anymore. i can't. I can't even ride on her team right now. I'm so hurt by this. And i'm still hurt. I didn't think i was hurt us. But i said i was numb but still there is coming out slowly as i'm talking right now but i'm done. I'm i'm officially officially resigning retiring alla alla hope. Let let as paul's that's balls before you make the statement okay. It's it's it's going to be on record. It's going to be a record short when you want to make this announcement right now. Are you absolutely positively. Sure i've been decided about this months ago. Shawn watson right now. You're david kelly. I do not want to be a i. Just i just i cannot do it anymore i just can't you did houston texas can do all this stuff. Go on to win. Ten through bows neuro right back. I'll be luke. Come masilo this is it i can. I cannot do it anymore. I i know i notice the difference story from from the last time we talked about team loyalty and i know i talked about till death do. Us part is like a marriage. I said that i did. I was there when. I say that i know what i said because i was there but i can't do it and it's about the way this whole thing has gone down. You know what. I'll i do want that lives in the city and of watch this team. Come from a place where there were there. Were little known to get to a place where they're able to attract or build their own stars really. You know the stars at the houston. Texas have had you know they they. They raised them right. They drafted these players and see how bad it battling that they've treated these players and Is is terrible so understand especially what's happened over the last year year. And a half starting with deandre hopkins because to think that this team was very close to go into a super bowl to see where the state of this franchise is. Now when you're your you're you're you're pillars. The pillars of your organization are now either gone or about to be gone. I i feel for the fans of the city. So is it okay to change loyalty when the houston. Texans fumbled the bag as they have. It's not that they haven't drafted players players hadn't panned out Or the no one wants to come and play for the houston texans. That's it's it's not that the organization to this the organization did this to the players door organization is turning the knife in the hearts of the fans organizations doing this. So when the organization fee Fails you that. Means the team is failing you. So what choice did the fans have. You know one of the things that drives and bring them up. I was trying to go the whole. Podcast bringing them up. But america's team the dallas cowboys. One of the things that keeps fans there. We're suckers why because of wash cowboys games off. Seen them teeter on the brink of wins only to lose and the most colossal of ways right now have memories memories of pain right. You know the the the the the build up the anticipation of oh. This is going to be our time only for it not to be time. And what of the dallas cowboys have. What have they done. They've teetered and tottered in the confines of mediocrity no matter the the star players that have come no matter their production. They've teetered and tottered on the within the confines of mediocrity but we we live and die with those losses to where now for the first time last year. I'm going to admit this they were games. I missed were games. That i did not watch their games. I said you know what. I know that they lost. I don't care to watch this is happening. They're losing in such a fashion. I'm watch later. I'm just. I'm just turning off the. Tv was the one no matter how bad they're losing. I watched from beginning to end sunshine. Exactly where you're coming from you know. But that's that's things that are going on on on the field right but the organization of the houston texans is failing the fans. So i think when organization is is We're not doing the things that they need to do to make the fans happy because no matter what. And that's one of the dallas cowboys. It doesn't whether the product on the field is crap whether it's mediocre and they're not winning. They're still doing things to keep people like me in engaged. You know what we're gonna we're still going to entertain you. We're probably going probably going to lose more. We're losing an entertaining fashion right But i think. I think the houston texans situation is an exception perfect perfect perfect way to to word it. Because that's how i feel. I feel like i should take a pass on this one. Even after some of the comments. I said on the last time we had discussed this topic because it is unprecedented. The things that are happening with this organization and christmas. Christmas is a couple of times. This is gonna be at thirty for thirty on this. Houston texas team sewer. Probably then later. And it's going to elaborate on all of this function within the organization and the people that say to gonna be houston texans spans. Two they die. They're going to look at his documentary. Be like dow. Does the team that. I was riding with once. They see all of the things that's going on inside and out because i'm telling many something going on in their bro it starts reject it really does. There's something going on that starts with jack. Easterby that makes the situation there with the houston. Texans not normal whatsoever k. I mean i agree. The is not normal. It is what it is easy to hear me say much because i've been a fan of longtime. I've been rocking that team for a long time. I they get their act right. I'll be back but for now When it comes to the houston texans. I'm not a fan of the organization and you know the interesting thing is if you look across the street. I guess. Look for that but when you look at the houston rockets. The houston rockets have lost thirteen. Straight games the houston rockets. Just lost their superstar in james harden. But i am a fan of the houston rockets because that organization is competent right. They traded james harden way he demanded a trade in. Let it fester wednesay. He made his once. He made his big hoopla. Let him go. I guess massachusetts back may have another good blaring christian. Would the point is the organization is competent enough to realize when something is over and to try to move for right. The texans don't even realize what they're doing is wrong right. Jack easter being comic near thing there in the right. They think everybody else somehow. They're the smart people in the room. A and then be everybody else wrong and what they're doing is right and they're going to show us that they're right and when that's the case it's a me it's not even just hypocrisy with the fans is just foolishness. You have an organization that is run by somebody who's appearance would be foolish right and you have his right hand man who is a. What is the minister. I don't know what he is. A chaplain knows nothing about football. But you had them in there. He's whispering sweet things in his ear. I don't know what they're doing right now. There's some type of sexual relationship going on there. Something that's going down there. It just doesn't make any sense. Makes no sense at all. The shawn watson or jack easterby. Jj watt reject easterby. I mean really just as simple to a certain degree if you are owner of a football team and you value your franchise quarterback and you think that he is important to the football team as everybody else. Does you are going to make this. You're going to be a you want to get rid of j. Because he's gone okay. We can build a team around you. They don't need. What is jack. Easterby role there. I have yet to know what his particular role with the houston. Texas this telling you what did he do there. I i don't know. But i'm telling if we find out in a thirty for thirty bills sexual relationship going on that will make sense. Y'all please appeals. That were anywhere. Cringe easy that words sexual waste pronouncing settle. Same that on purpose. Because i of going off i don. I pray i pray. That's not it because you talk about foolishness. Even though i have declared myself not a houston fan on his radio on this. Podcast people like ito trait. Oh you're you're that sexual stuff because they're going to pull that on me. They're definitely but no even though even though we're laughing this is we really think that there's something something weird is going on over there take some To be claims to be a minister. Well i'm declaring today. I'm praying for all the people that he's praying over and hopefully he's not a leader seriously. I hope he's not the leader of an organization because those people if they if you look at a multi billion dollar franchise this man is doing is leading them astray. What do you think he's doing a yo life. You understand me all you. People who go to jack easterby church his his his congregation. If you're listening right now. I'm ministering y'all right now i don't need to run your needs to run. Whatever god he's praising is not the one that's leading victory is not because he's leading this team to failures. What is what is. This team has failed already. You understand me. So but here's the problem though. This team also does not or or this this This management team. Your team does not care about the fans. It does not the fact that all of your star players are disgruntled are there. They have left. Where's the marketability in this. In this team you don't you fans of fans because of players memorable moments and all you're doing is you're destroying the the The the positive moments right. You're you're sticking the knife in those positive you're popping balloons and all of those positive moments that these fans of had for these players for. Jj watt the. The heart beat of this city has said i'm done i'm out right. Why not learn from the houston rockets. And chris. you're absolutely right the houston rockets are competently run organization to ownerships. Right are running this team. The way it should be run did not waste time. With james harden who's arguably number two when it comes to the heartbeat of the city who was a bigger star worldwide. James harden was a jj watt. You could probably even say james harden and the fact that they let that caliber of player go with that type of superstar. -bility right did they say you know what we're gonna do what we're going to go right. They allowed them to go. So the fact that the houston texas can't go go. Sit with tillman for tita going. Sit down and say hey. How do run an business because clearly the same does not understand how to run a business. Right tumor for to successfully runs a restaurant and casino. You know you know what i'm saying base here in houston. Go learn from learn from the problem. Let me say something. Look the problem. Is you're getting upset right now. Me me me. Oh we've i'm not even a fan. I'm not even. I'm a dallas cowboys fan but seeing this and seeing is the city suffer seeing what this organization's doing to the pleasant tooth of the fans. I it is yes. I'm upset because it's stupid in has been there. I've been there. I'm over from the standpoint of we're talking to a guy that runs essentially a billion dollar organization at the texans and he's proven to be incompetent and he's not firing himself so as a fan. I'm out is really just as liberals are out so i my anger with that organization over at this point. I'm just ready to hear what's going on so this one. I'm just waiting for the expose. I don't really care what they do next season or actor that i just i'm waiting for the expose. Once it comes out. I wanna see what's really going on is gonna be must see tv big facts. I'm gonna be all over that i wanna. I wanna see exactly what was going on behind the scenes. I mean who would have thought you know. After we blew to lead against kansas city. There will be here right now. We all we all want it bill. O'brien gone we thought that was it. We thought that that was the core of everything once bill. O'brien was fired. We thought okay here. We go remember too little thing that that J. j. watt put out on instagram. The sun coming in to to rely stadium. That's what we all thought. We thought the bill was okay. Now we'll get to see some sunshine. Callum mcnair jackie close at the right back. Sorry i had to do it. He goes that this day right back up and dark dark as hill man. I'm just low. Me and chris are like. We're we've been here before. I mean chris has been here longtime long long time. But i really honestly thought that there will be some good coming out of the firing a bill. O'brien i really did i. I was one that the okay after that happens. They ain't gonna coach in here and gm here. They're competent. They'll come in. they'll be like a. What do you guys do. No we're not going to do that. But it seems like nick stereos coming here and he's just follow along or you don't wanna trade the hey good contract the player. I just can't do anymore. I can't do. I'm done i'm out. I'm out can't do anymore. Mahar take no more. i can't i. I do not know what. I'm cheering for anymore. I think that's where it comes up to. I don't know. I don't know what i'm a fan of. Don't have anything to look forward to. I wanna say y'all i'm talking about. He's in texas fans out there and look forward to this organization if you like ales and you can look word all want well. I say i tell you this though. There are plenty of seats plenty of spots. The stadium was big enough. Come on oda america's team come on over to the dallas cowboys. Yeah we've got the drama going on with over about that. We're we're still in the tena. I we're gonna sign that prescott whenever there comes and probably still teetering out around meteorology. We'll see but come on doors open. I thought about it. I talk radio. I thought about it but it just it hurts so much mccabe. I can't even do it anymore. I just i'm this. Nfl fan You sound like a girl has been through a now. Call your girl but it sound like it's been through a hellacious relationship right. I'm gonna do period. I want to entertain nine looking for no love. I into women. Just leave me alone. I'm hangover by myself a couple of years. Now that's sound. Mafia you paying a man and there are a lot of fans are like that. There are exaggerated belshaw anyway and that was part three. Hope it'll be a part for copa last time. We had that topic office broadcast. You guys chris nam. Good man man you got good gober it. This is first time. Listen to this podcast. I will not be so unhappy or annex. Podcast i'll be a little more cheerful. 'cause you're probably talking about. He's texans but if is your first time listening. Please subscribe to the podcast. You any major podcast platform available checks youtube as well. We got some good contrary to. We're trying to grow more content on youtube tick on youtube as well. That's also new channel. Sports check us out on afro vibes tv. Get to see all three of our lovely handsome faces. They're talking about sports and check out our website new channel sports dot net. Chris has articles. they're also eka check on read. He has the most recent article about. Jj watt that people are actually reading and get into okay. I can't even. I can't even act like i'm happier in this. Can i knew this to happen walmart. Dallas cowboys make you happy bark among the i'll be sending invite now. I turned it down. Won't you know what peace out Thanks for listening to the new channel. Sports podcast if you like the show feel free to leave a comment and five star rating. Your support is very much appreciated. Also don't forget to subscribe on apple. Podcast stitcher pod. Bead or on our website new janelle sports dot net. That's new channel spelt n. u. channel sports dot net got us sports related question for the grew. Just leave a voicemail on our website till next time. Have a good one and stay safe out there.

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REShow: Guest Host Mike Heller. Dan Woike. Hour 2 (12-24-19)

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REShow: Guest Host Mike Heller. Dan Woike. Hour 2 (12-24-19)

"Thank you for listening to this. podcast one sports net production available on apple podcast and podcast one. Everybody's got A to do list. Drop off the dry cleaning pick-up some milk. Here's an idea. Let's add save hundreds of dollars on car insurance to that list and the good thing is you don't have to drop off or pick up anything. All you have to do is go to GEICO DOT COM and in fifteen minutes you could be saving fifteen percent or more on car insurance extra money in your pocket. Of course this may be the most rewarding according to do you do today one of the The interesting elements there is in the open. We talked yesterday John Kuhn about about the top of the AFC and you might take Baltimore over the field in the NFC. It's just the field right. I mean there's no team that you would even entertain gene with taking them or the field would be the field because the NFC has probably four teams if by take the Vikings and the winner of the NFC. East out out of play the rest New Orleans San Francisco Seattle in Green Bay. That's the field and I don't know who the separator is is in that group. Maybe at San Francisco New Orleans but it wouldn't be by a lot. Is that a fair look at today in the NFL. I think if I think if somehow somehow New Orleans could get that weird perfect scenario where they could get the one seed might lean their way that they that they would be the favorite. But but as of right now I I don't see one. I don't I think every team has has shown at times how good they can be. And I think every team has soon their warts as well. I think There's definitely some question marks in some in some spots. And you know you talk about the New Orleans Saints and they are a tricky team could boy. When they're good they are great? I mean they are really great and they've been great allot this year to. They've had a couple. They've had a couple of flops with the Atlanta. NFL CNN's a few weeks ago but but when they are good they're really great. But I just can't help but think if we can if we can see them on a on a field outside fifty degrees in San Francisco twenty degrees in Green Bay. Who knows maybe rainy up in Seattle that that could change everything when you see the story line of? Jj Watt maybe being ready to rejoin the the Houston Texans ends when the playoffs begin after the the bicep tear. I mean he's a warrior. You guys play in the League and John You played in the League for a bunch when she years is their respect that go. I mean there has to be right. I mean you look at that and you marvel the rest of us in in in everyday walk of life that happens happens. That's that's not a consideration but you get a finite amount of time in order to play in your career you're done playing in and and what you're like twenty nine or something John Koon. How old are you? I'm I'm thirty seven but thank you pushed it. Thought it'd be nice for a change but I mean is that is that the the sense of urgency is that that window seems to be so short of which you have an opportunity to play the fight to get back. Yeah Yeah obviously. They feel really good about their team down there in Houston. They did beat the Patriots this year. So they feel like they they have you know a fighters chance in that. AFC that that if they can get one of their biggest playmakers back. Jj Watt that they will have a chance now. Jj He's he is just a monster and the injuries he's already he's he's already gone through this now he in his career. He's had so many brutal nasty injuries. They see that he's come back from when when players retire they go in for these. He's physicals and it's almost like. There's there's a checklist. So if you write your body on the screen and then circle this spot. And then you'd circle that's buttoning. His whole body would be circled pretty much. I mean he's he's basically got full disability already in line for all the injuries that he's had so coming back from an injury is nothing new to him. He's done this this before. He's rushed back from injuries to and he's reinjured himself because of that so there's dangerous in doing this but but jj jj he's that guy he wants to be out there and he's that ultimate tough guy that ultimate hard worker so if anybody can come back from a torn packets. Jj Watt well a a as you view it from spending a decade plus in the National Football League when you wake up on Christmas morning. You're going downstairs smarter. You feel the league. Do you feel the time that you've played. Is that part of your life and you carry with you boy. I just got lucky. I'll tell you I got lucky. See I did thirteen years and I get out of bed and it takes me about three or four steps until it. All straightens out how many steps to take you Mike I. I'm good on step one pretty much but I'm good on step one like you. Don't get out of bed sore. How well yeah I mean shoot John I mean I'm I'm old enough to be your dancing? Take tennis or play racquetball. And when you get out of bed the next day it doesn't take it. Does I mean I guess I was thinking of the point i. I don't have the sport in drives have life. I just have my well. That's my that's my point. That's my point that you made my point for me so I have those same soreness. I didn't have I didn't get put on. I R thirteen years until my last season so I I was the opposite of. Jj Watt. I didn't have these Just grueling injuries and surgery every single year multiple surgeries so for me. I don't feel the league like some of these other guys. Do I consider myself extremely lucky for that. You know I I find great entertainments in the National Football League is if I suppose it against the NBA. I would say that right now that there are seven teams in the NFL. That I think could win the Super Bowl seven and that is with one set of Game Sixteen Games to play away in the final week of the season. I think they're seventeen. I think Baltimore Kansas City in New England from the AFC not to have any disservice to the others but that's my view of it and in the NFC. Seattle San Francisco New Orleans in Green Bay that seven total teams. I think you could probably right now in the NBA. Ba take four teams against the field and find your NBA champion of those fourteen. That's the great thing about the national. Football League is right eight now with a full season all but in the books I still think there are seventeen. That can win the title. And in the we know that when they've only played twenty games of the season yeah parody rules man and that's why that's why we love the sport because you can go from six nine in one Took twelve and three with another game to a play. That's what the Green Bay packers did this year. You can flip the script that quick in the NFL and be a team that the year before it all fell apart but then the next year are here we are talking about them. Possibly a one seed and the road to the Super Bowl ghost through them so that that's what makes it so incredible and you said seventeen and yet even even with that if one of these other teams like Houston would happen to get on a run or Philadelphia Eagle team. Because they've been there done that with their coaching staff to Sean Jackson. Accent comes back if something would have Jordan Howard comes back and they went on a run. Would you be surprised if they went through. I mean I think that's a fair question to ask about Philadelphia or Dallas the winner coming out of the NFC east. I think in the NFL you got a punchers chance right. And those teams have some talent Philadelphia so beat up the receiver Bert Position. But you would give either of those teams a punchers chance to get to an NFC championship game. Did you give me some odds especially you. Give me some. I'll put some dough down. I'm not giving you odds and I'm not I'm not looking to make a wager. I'm just saying that's how the League legal works. Is that see. I thought you were thought you were trying to spice this show up as well no spice here all right. So so we've got that and then the other thing that I find incredibly intriguing about the NFL. I'm GonNa give you a little bit of calendar math here so the NFL playoffs will begin on January. The fourth north some will argue. They've already begun right but in earnest wild card weekend begins with games on January four Saturday January fourth by the finish of Sunday January. I think I'm right on this by the finish of the Games on the following week after that that Sunday the nineteenth we're talking about fifteen days from twelve teams to to fifteen days is all you get from twelve twelve teams down to and you know playing in the Super Bowl. We don't have great patience in trying to find out who's going to be there the NBA is sixty days. The NHL is sixty days the NCAA tournament is nineteen days from sixty four to four the NFL is fifteen days from twelve to knowing who's playing super bowl. I think it's one of the other great reasons why it's number one on the chart. Yeah absolutely mentioning people. Love Game Sevens Evans they love game sevens and and the NFL once the playoff starts it's game seven from jump street. Every game is game seven and you can go back and and almost apply that to the regular season because the regular season is so important with only sixteen games. You're seeing teams right. Now that are missing using that are gonNA miss the playoffs or missied because of a tiebreaker because of one game in a tiebreaker. I mean if Tennessee finishes nine and seven and misses. This is the playoffs to the Pittsburgh steelers. It's it just goes to show it. We love the fact that there's so much drama in the NFL week week to week and when the playoffs come it's even more amplified. I wondered this earlier about if you could pick if you were the network if you could pick your NFC championship game and you're AFC championship game. Matchup what Matt's up. You would choose alley now. I think about it a second thought about this earlier. This is what I'd do. If I were the network I would want Baltimore Kansas City in the AFC or my second choice would be Baltimore. New England that would mean. You don't get a second choice. H Wake that. I could even possibly pay so go ahead. You called me on I. I'll stay with my first. I would want Baltimore Kansas City in the AFC okay. I'll pick the NFC. I won't Green Bay San Francisco. I think the networks irks would love it right. I mean if it wasn't those great potential matchups. What what's what's great is I think the you can throw the Patriots in there too for the AFC? Just because who the hatred. And you'll love for the New England Patriots and the run that they've been on for the last nineteen years but to see the two new up and coming faces of the NFL. In Lamar Jackson and Patrick mahomes playing against against each other for all the marbles in the AFC. That's what I WANNA see. Personally I do I WANNA see the networks want to say that they probably still want to see a new England just just to build that drama for at least one more week but that Green Bay you talk about the history with those two organizations Green Bay and San Francisco with everything on the line that would be hugh. Oh my goodness I. It would be fantastic. Let me set up this hour of the program. Chris Broussard will join us. That'll happen in about eight or nine nine minutes. He of Fox Sports Fox sports one CO host of the odd couple with Rob Parker. Chris Broussard will jump in. We'll talk all things NBA with him because I'm already laid out. What I think are the powers the Bucks Boston Philadelphia and I think? That's the east. Miami gets an asterisk next to them. I think there are a potential player. La La in Houston in the West. And I don't think I'm wrong. I think thirty games in the NBA. Season I think you could have done that. Ten Games aims go. I think he could have done it on Halloween when the NBA was just under way. You could pick your six and I don't think other than a significant injury that we're going to be wrong on that but there is a significant story that has developed in the NBA and that's about the Leonard. Recruitment in the off season and how free agency worked and the conversation with both Jeanie Buss in the La Lakers and the clippers. And how this has come to pass and keep in mind those two teams those to La Eight teams. The clippers and the Lakers will play tomorrow. It's a home game and a road game. Even though it's a home game at home game for both and that game tomorrow Oh will be the coming together of a storyline. That is really taking some interesting turns in the last few days from a reporting standpoint Chris Broussard will join us at twenty past the hour. Plus I WANNA update the twitter poll question. That's out there. Love to get a deeper vote on this but I asked this is question which of the top four. NFC teams is your favorite to play insuperable. Fifty four forty niners saints packers seahawks. So there's a top forty the NFC right now and admittedly Jonah. You do a statewide radio. Show daily in Wisconsin. Admittedly my my listening audience has skewed the results. The packers get thirty. Eight percent of that vote right now. I think if you give a fifteen percent margin of error. I think that it's different. I think if I took her out on the mix New Orleans and San Francisco are two and three in the vote getting and I think that any yeah those three and Seattle until they prove that they can be the team that didn't play. This lacks last Sunday but the team that can overcome the carson injury and the running back situation. Seattle is the fourth in the voting list. So I want to update the twitter poll question as we roll forward as well if I gave you that choice. John Kuhn without odds odds without giving you. I'm not giving you any margin here if I said to you. Which of those three teams forty nine or saints? Packers goes to Miami Amy to play in Super Bowl fifty four in the moment. Who would you choose? I'm going to pick San Francisco in this moment because i. I think that they are going to be Seattle this weekend. I think they're going to end up with the number one seat. I think that's going to make for some favourable matchups in the playoffs. But but I'm telling you what this Green Bay packer team. The way their defense is turned around the way they've played physical they want to you see this forty-nine or team again they feel like a couple of things got off the rails early Annette regular season game and spiraled out of Control Man. I hope Nope we that matchup. It'd be a really enter. If those things happen that you just mentioned then Green Bay would be the two seed and they would likely get the New Orleans saints meets in the divisional round of the playoffs and the forty niners would be at home to take on whoever survived the other that would would be the like here. Yeah so so. We'll see how that plays itself out so we'll get there. Listen Chris Broussard. Standing by waiting in the wings will talk with with With somebody who knows the NBA's wells anybody knows all elements of of what we talk about here but certainly WanNa play onto the NBA storyline with Chris Broussard. 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Shortly after the gifts are opened depending on what part of the country you live in gift zero something to eat and you settle in for a little bit Boston and Toronto Donald Tip off the NBA schedule on Christmas Day. That's a a noon eastern time tip that's followed by Milwaukee at Philadelphia that is a a two thirty eastern time tip followed by Houston Golden State which looked good on paper at some point. Maybe eight months ago doesn't look so oh good now. Golden State is seven twenty four. That's the that's the five. PM Eastern time tip in Oakland then you get the What is billed as the Marquee Macha? Although I'm kind of partial to Milwaukee Philadelphia but the marquee matchup is the LA clippers in La Lakers twenty-two to intend clippers on the road in their home arena. To take on the Lakers who are twenty four and six. I understand the get in price. The GIN in the arena price begins at three hundred and five dollars that that is a ticket in your stocking tomorrow morning in the La area. And then the NIGHTCAP is New Orleans Orleans Without Zion Williamson on the road at Denver so the NBA. They add them all up. ABC ESPN for the entire day from noon eastern time all the way until ten thirty PM eastern time five games in consecutive windows tomorrow. Johnson what do you call five in a row. I Know Oh you got double header tripleheader. Five hundred zero. I mean they're taking. I mean I think it's a control quintupled heteronomy and that's what it is. It's it's a Quin. who fact checked nobody well? Yeah Archie Studio southbound southbound right at quintupled. That's it it's a quintuple this just in from woes a little bit ago Lebron. AD will both play that means Lebron ad. We'll go head to head against Paul. George Cosi all wearing uniforms to with the clippers the Lakers. It is the Lakers that have been the most impressive Out of the gate in the western conference however the Lakers have lost three straight and the clippers come in having lost their last game and they're six and four in the last ten. The clippers haven't stepped up to the level of the people. Thought and the Lakers were team. But now they've lost three in a row the best team the NBA. Two point is the Milwaukee Bucks. They are twenty seven and four that is Gaudy twenty-seven in four and eight seventy one win percentage wjr. The bucks have lost one time since November the eighth and they'll be in Philadelphia tomorrow. There's a lot of story lines that are working being in the NBA. And the clippers and Lakers are the networks dream tip off tomorrow end it comes on the heels of a story at the athletic dot dot com by Sam amick the talks about the recruitment in the off season of and that it wasn't all on the up and up that Kawai I side of the story may be that his uncle his agent uncle was asking for a lot more than the Max tax deal that was available to the Max year. Three Max deal three years one hundred and three million dollars but the story about about the wish list which has made its way the League office who has investigated that Leonard's uncle had asked pursuing teams for much much more reading from the story at the Athletic Dot com sources. Say the League was told. The Roberson asked team officials for part ownership of the team a private plane that would be available at all times a house and last but certainly not least a guaranteed amount of off court endorsement money that they could expect if Leonard played played for their team. All of those items to be clear. What fall outside the confines of the League's collective bargaining agreement and the League is investigated and a source with knowledge of the Lakers? Talk said Robertson. Made those requests repeatedly to Lakers owner. Jeanie any bus over the course of three phone calls that span several days so the storyline as I left Toronto after winning an NBA title for the North that his recruitment to the La whether it was either the Lakers or clippers ended up being with the clippers. We had a lot more to do with off the contracts of not just the Max three year one hundred and three million dollar deal. He signed but a lot more which creates a ton of intrigue about this storyline as it continues to I mean. Did he get it. Did he get all those things. Aren't fair question to ask those things from the clippers. Because the Lakers essentially say they said no okay. Okay so if I mean maybe the clippers said no to and then maybe there's no harmonised how well but there is well right. There's here's the question is was was there more made available. Is there if they're smoking. This situation did their end up. Being an ember that started a fire are and did the clippers. Do More than what the Lakers were willing to step. Outside of the confines and isn't what level is outside the confines that those things were even asked asked for. You know it's kind of like back in the day with the college football programs in the boosters and the Pony Express guys hey come here we got a great program. You'll carry the football and by the way that car that cars yours and this money on the side or they don't just pick it up on your way out. So why do you say back in the day. How do you think that happens now? Sure yeah okay. We'll break some news. No break some news. You know I mean I I think. I think we would be naive to think that there there. There aren't significant extra benefits so we just had the story talking about Zion Williamson. Who's he's not gonNA play for the New Orleans? Pelicans Tomorrow Night Zion. Was You know the story lines that surfaced before he went to play his college basketball. Duke Doc is the Kansas was asked to fork over offered a you know in the six figure range but then it became some. They're some some people became aware of it. Then he goes to Duke and I'm going to air quote this for nothing for nothing. That's what happens. Listen when you ask and you get that dirty. Look look and they kind of look at you funny Squirrelly and you realize AmCham flies Renault extra benefits at Shippensburg. That's what we're getting to. We're going to cut to the chase debt. No there wasn't there we we were lucky You know what you know. What a lot of players that a lot of our players worked in the football office just to get some beer money just to get right then money for the weekend and that that was one of the inequities in the college game is is that we got to a point point after those you know those dirty handshakes that existed in the car dealer deals for for college athletes then a college athlete and this is the inequity equity? This is the fight right is a college student. Athletes cannot have a job. That's the rule right. Either students in college can go out and gain employment but a college athlete cannot. It's considered an extra benefit. You can't go get a job. Get crazy there's so many rules and you're right because 'cause working in a football office like a lot of our players. Did you can only work so many hours and you could only make so much money. It was all based off of if you were getting a scholarship. If you weren't in and thinks that nature now I was what why. Why have? We taken the college athlete and eliminated them from being capitalists. Why are they not like? I'm not saying the booster should just be able to pay them millions of dollars to go to school. But why can't these guys make some money. They have their. They are entertaining people. They are making money for for TV revenue and for their programs. Why why can't they make money for themselves often so I think I think you're a great example of this is I'm I'm sorry? Say That again as we. We continue the conversation a little talk as we were unable to raise Chris. Broussard still working on that front. But as we continue in the conversation nation you know I I I wanna I wanna I WANNA get back to the point. We were just making Dan Wolke is national. NBA writer insider La Times Times. Dan is on the phone with us. Now Dan let me ask you about this Sam amick piece at the DOT com certain. Certainly you you looked at the concept of this. What's at play where that's concerned? How many red flags does this raise it? What's the story line as we dig into this deeper? I I think honestly the the start of this right is A few years ago when she parts ways with Traditional agent right and decides to to be represented by a family member and and basically everything that I've heard since and I don't mean to discredit what Sam road. What Samra was terrific traffic and it was really well reported But I don't know that I was shocked right. Actually I can tell you I wasn't shocked. there have been some rumors about some of these things about some all of these outrageous asks. I've heard it not just but teams but when Kawais dot other things and been business and stuff like that like just kind of the way that uncle dinosaur operates and it's funny. It's one of those things where I'm not even sure it's entirely a bad strategy. You know what I mean. It's like asking for the moon and then just see what they give you you know and whether it's in the rules are not in and he's you know as a representative is lucky enough to have one of the you know three or four most special players on the world the type of guy that you would move mountains for and so I think you know ultimately ultimately that the question here right and what's what's that play is sort of like let's say in twenty twenty one. Let's say that this becomes accepted practice behind the scenes ran the NBA doesn't do anything or And I'm not saying anything even happened here but let's just say that you know the NBA decides that this is okay. So what happens when you honest goes into free agency and what happens. The Lakers can offer something that the bucks just physically. Can't you know what I mean. Ten percent ownership stake in this would never happen but a ten percent ownership. Taking the Lakers is certainly worth more than one of the box You know you. Can you can circumvent the cap and a lot of ways more effectively. I think in bigger markets in new cannon markets whether it's housing movie roles whether it's guaranteeing endorsements and some of that stuff is implies Certainly you know when people say like come to market. It'll help your profile. I I mean they're talking about right. So is this a Dennis Robertson story. That's Leonard Uncle and along with Mitch. Frankel is this story more about them them and is there. Is there a violation of the collective bargaining agreement for his agents to ask for things that are outside of the CBA question. I think it's something that the NBA is investigating and has investigated. I think it's more I think Dennis issue she was in it is say a clipper issue laker issue raptors issue. I mean those teams are in the room right and They're going to sit and listen and then make make certain decisions now What I can tell you at least from the clippers standpoint at least minder standing on this right is that sort of you know? They were always sort of a preferred destination and it wasn't because they have a private plane or because they've got the new like crazy rich owner right it was sort whatever like they were geographically attractive. They were close to home and they were the one team that was close to home that allowed Kawai to have sort of his own. Not Right where he wouldn't be a second second star or even third starring case? It'd be it sounds like it's right so those two things. Put the clippers far ahead anyway waist The Raptors closed the gap by winning an NBA Championship. But it was still those things are still true And so whether it was I I don't know what sort of benefits they had to offer on. TV and get them if that makes sense right like that it seems like they were already kind of imposition And I think you know from standpoint and that's just speculation and based on what I was reading and what I've heard is just sort of like this is just sort of. How's this guy? Operates right is that he asks her a lot and expects a lot and when he doesn't get it. He isn't particularly happy so talking to Dan L. A. Times National NBA writer. Take US inside. I mean I don't live in Los Angeles the rivaled. That is the clippers in the Lakers was has. It's always been a big brother. Little brother thing get away from me. You Bug me when you grow up. Let's talk. That's the Lakers. View of the clippers. Now with with Kawhi and Paul George George on the clippers although they have not played at the level that some thought so far this year has how bitter is this. Is there more sting to this rivalry right now. There is But I think it's a really unique revelry in the sense that like this. Isn't you know packers bears. This is an mets Yankees. This isn't Laker Celtics right like so the fact that they share a town but in a Lotta ways they don't share are a market Like the Clippers are avaiable NBA team in Los Angeles but in terms of this is the most bizarre thing and I covered the team for six years. They're just just always a bigger story everywhere else. They're they're like a national story right when they're good You know people talk about them in New York. They talk about the client and the clippers they talked about lob city everywhere in la though is still more about like nick. Young at the Lakers. Thirty wins Like it was just. That's just sort of how it is and I do think that with both teams being really good at the same time. There is a little bit more sort of like the Laker fans are are Louder there in twenty to their history and the clippers fans are louder and pointing to sort of you know what they think their future is and what lays like what lies ahead so the organization. There's a certain so now I'm going to that but it's still like part of it to me. Feels like sort of like you know you said big brother little brother. It's almost like if you're in like a really small town that had no internet and your little brother went out out and did something amazing Like in a big city and every all of it and then he came over Christmas. And everyone's like where you been like Kinda like this. I was homecoming coming King. You know there's a little bit of an element that this It's really bizarre. That being sad like it's going to be really exciting tomorrow like the supercharged. It's going to be is is Lakers clippers. Like Rams chargers I mean I mean people like I mean it's further along than that I. Yeah I guess in the infancy right now since Elliott teams for a long talk. Yeah like you know I grew up in Chicago and I and I'm a white sox fan and I would say like there's an element of cubs white sox choice. Sure Yeah. He's AH yeah but I mean I think it's still it's still even more secure than that like it like in a weird just because it's like you have on one end. You have sort of like the standard standard bearer for franchises right now on the other. You've got the opposite like an organization that literally once was on the cover of sports illustrated that said the worst organisation in Sports And so look that. That's not who the clippers are anymore. They're an organization that really has bright futures any because I am for sure this that the biggest competitive advantage you can have as an NBA team as good ownership and they have good ownership. They have a super rich person who likes to empowers employees Who will spend to keep people like assistant general managers on staff You know to to to invest in infrastructure for structure they Like this is crazy but like so. They're getting ready to they. WanNa move to a new arena facility at Englewood That being said they still pumped in you know hundreds of millions of dollars in other practices that the renting right Just to so they could BR- bridge that gap for the next couple of years and I talked to one of the staff members about it and he said it was like sixty bomber put brims on a rental car you know. And that's just kind of the type of ownership they have and that's a massive advantage but that that doesn't really speak to market and that's not what people know here. What people know here is the Lakers? Are the center of excellence and the clippers are the standard Up The opposite of excellence and I still think that there is that sort of the general stealing But in the last decade or so as the clippers have been better. This has devolved into a fun robbery. and I I do think a like sort of Hallway playoff series would be riveting for the. It'd be really fun you would definitely see though more Laker fans I'm quote. Unquote Clipper on Games. Then you would see clipper fans at quote Unquote Laker Games. So that's the clipper laker robbery. But take us inside now. Is there coli versus Lebron robbery. Is that real. Do those two those two like playing against each other. Do they like being in the same town. Yeah I mean I think they're both just so different right and I think anytime you have to real like it's I it's hard. It's it's impossible the now. What Kawhi Leonard like truly thinks about virtually anything like maybe he just is expressionless? And that's like not an act. It's sort of really who he. He is You know it took an amazing sort of ring celebration in Toronto to see for us to be like. Oh you smile sometimes like I it really it is. Yeah thanks that is for sure who is But like it just seems like to sort of the way they operate they're just also different. Lebron is you know as much as the is a superstar. He's an ambassador Someone who like kind of and I think this is what Kevin Durant was trying to say last year. He's just someone who likes sucks up so much oxygen oxygen right and so much attention that even on a team that has Anthony Davis like it's Lebron like there was a game earlier this year where Anthony Davis I think scored fifty points and that he's you know he's like checking out of the game and stuff like this is for sure. Eighties night the crowd is training Taco Tuesday at Levada. Back right so that that is like to me the best illustration of what Lebron James is sort of like being around him as like he's one of the most famous people with a why is a product of the Spurs. So you can just you can imagine how different you get the difference. Yeah he's a very quiet and I think it's fun to watch the match up. Just because they go about their business so different Dan last quick thought typically a national sports media tends to have an east coast bias. I think right now there's a west coast bias going on NBA. I think the two best teams in the League are are the two best records the bucks and the Celtics the lion share the coverage is going to go on the Lakers and clippers. How do you break down the upper echelon right now now maybe the top three to four teams in the entire NBA? When I talked to people around the League kind of those tiers The top the tip top tiers. Here's the bucks the clippers and the Lakers. I think those are the three teams that people feel if you had to put money in on a team to win a title that those are the three teams best equipped for it. I think Boston Boston is right in the next year with You know some people like Houston's like Denver Philadelphia has a chance and that and then you know I I think that's sort of how it shakes out I don't know why the Celtics don't have a little more buzz They've got a really terrific a young roster they're young players are playing well and I think too like people always focused on like what Denver could do in a trade. Don't cut out the Celtics. I the thing about the Celtics accentuated any ancient. They always talk about doing stuff. And it seems like nothing ever really happens But they're in a position where they can make a move. They look across the West and they see see Lebron. Ad Pushing really hard in December and they see the clippers struggling. Maybe they see an opportunity. And maybe it's Kevin Love maybe it's Blake Griffin or lamarcus this aldridge or something like that A like a true star big man to replace kind of what Horford last And you know if that happens then. They're right there at the top of everybody else. Dan Great stuff. Thanks for jumping in on short notice. Good to visit with you. Happy holidays. Do you guys are the listeners Dan Waikiki NBA writer insider for the L. A. Times joining on short notice. There it is it is the NBA tomorrow without question. Christmas Day has always been that way. They've expanded on it and it certainly will be their day tomorrow. I do think that and I have a biased. But I don't think it plays into this part. The walkie bucks will play in Philadelphia tomorrow or I think the bucks will be the best team that plays tomorrow in the NBA. The line share. The conversation will go on Lakers clippers. But I still think through this year's NBA title will go all through Milwaukee. They're the unless something significant happens. The bucks are the team to beat in the NBA with all due respect to the LA clippers and the La Lakers I like the NBA championship will play its way through Milwaukee one more segment here yet in our number two as we continue in a few moments John Kuhn Mike Keller were guest hosting. This is the rich Eisen show. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors and all of you great listeners for supporting this. podcast certainly couldn't do do this show without either of you and I want to remind you that you can support my sponsors by going to my show page at podcast. One DOT COM clicking on the support this podcast button and and there. You'll see all of my wonderful sponsors and help make this show possible. So thank you for downloading subscribing and of course supporting now back to the show. Jump back in with you on the rich Eisen show on this Christmas Eve. December the twenty four th. My Name's Mike Heller. John Kuhn mm sits across from me. He was in was that. US Bank Stadium last night in Minneapolis packers broadcast crew on the radio side of things. I'm John The what was the. Aaron Rodgers didn't have a good statistical night last night. We're talking about that earlier when we're visiting visiting on the program with Sage Rosenfels you brought up that The statistics the numbers. Don't add up to Aaron Rodgers having a big night. In fact he didn't throw a touchdown pass he. He did throw an interception. His quarterback rating was in the sixties. What did you see from the veteran quarterback that made you think he had a very good night? You know from my time in my career in green bay playing with Aaron Rodgers. There was a couple of things that I noticed. There were some games. Area holds the ball and he passed the ball and it takes. It might take a minute and bent and hitting he's taken that knock of extending plays and sometimes too long. And you heard sage. Say you know maybe he takes too many sex but and what. I have seen what I saw last night is when he goes into hostile environments into domes into tough rough places to play. You can lock in and change his style from holding the ball trying to make the big play to distributing the ball and playing this football game more at three five seven yards at a time. A first down at a time and trying to plead that that battle of sixty minutes versus trying to make big plays and that's what I saw him last night and when you have a cast the way that he kinda has with Davante Adams and Aaron Jones in the backfield and the rest just a bunch of young guys trying to make their way in this league. That's what it's GonNa take and I thought it was masterful last night. The way he distributed the ball the majority of his throws were were around ten yards or less in the majority the vast majority were less than ten yards and that was just a way for him to move the ball. Most of them on our peos. You Know Xavier. Roads is off by eight yards. He's GonNa throw it out there and get a quick six or seven. I thought he played the perfect chess. Match against the Mike Zimmer. DC There's so much conversation when the season began about the packers. The new coach Matt Leflore and what Aaron Rodgers could and couldn't do or would and wouldn't do it. The Line of scrimmage you've been there you played with Aaron Rodgers end with drew brees and I think that what was missed in that conversation and we have a carry this over into the final hour of the program. Is the guys like Peyton. Manning lateness certainly throughout much of his career. Tom Brady drew brees. Aaron Rodgers Church. They've seen everything and they do. They need the wherewithal. The line of scrimmage to be able to change what they're in because they have great experience vast experience talk to them and they can adapt and they found that out over their career on on how important it is to be able to adapt. You adapt to the defense that you're playing thing you adapt to the surroundings in the atmosphere you adapt to the players that are playing around you on your own team. You might adapt to the confines of the game. What the score is what your defense is doing? And just maybe a little safer. Maybe taking a couple more shots so that adapt tation is what makes these guys so great. We'll carry that conversation over into our number KNBR. Three his name is John Kuhn. I'm Mike Heller as we continue plenty of. NFL talk some NBA. Talk as well as we continue on the rich Eisen show. What's happening everybody? This is the Lakers podcast. I'm your host Mike Trudell superpowers to be your flanked by Aaron Lar-. Soule you ready to go. I'm ready to winging Lakers will be top ten defense. Get away a team that has two stars or supercup in this case. Lebron can sometimes can't pretend they're out but I think they're both good candidates for MVP. I really like the way that this team just it feels to be around the. It's it's a very clear message to stars in the broader ad and it's everybody else gets on board the relationship that is developing between those two off off the court and on the court cohesive on the court. I think in this case is a special case that the two of them will enhance each other as opposed to taking away from each other. Be sure order rates. Subscribe and Leave Review available on Apple podcasts and podcasts.

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Sitting here, just waiting, wondering what was going to happen I mean felt Christmas Day I wrote this I believe in an article that I either put out an planning on putting out. You know what felt Christmas morning leading up to you know just trying to find out of two was even going to leave school and then he decided to do that. Then you know he was battling through couldn't have the pro day fellay. Christmas morning going up to the draft even up to that dolphins pick you know people are saying dolphins might take a tackle they might take. Jordan. Love. They might do this or that they took to a we didn't know when he was. We. We didn't know when he was going to start. I. Mean this is. We're coming off a week seven. Bye Bye that we didn't even know we were going to have dolphins are three threes taken over team. That's essentially neutral. I'm excited and we all should be excited. This is a huge moment in Miami Dolphins history and you know twitter hasn't been around the twenty years since Marina road off into the sunset but we be some of fans for twenty years. And longer at now, this year if not longer, and this is something that you've just been waiting for Ryan Tannehill is awesome. You wish you would add a better. You know career here with the dolphins seven seasons but you know he wasn't pretty damn good quarterback here he's planning an elite level now, but it is to a ton of time and I'm ready to run through a wall just. And here, twitter account left number of God. You did share a lot of those old reactions I. Think when you're reposting those videos, I mean what was the excitement you're thinking about Natalie reflecting on that night but just looking ahead to this weekend because I, mean. Rob Profited on Mars, and this is the second time second time recently I brought them up but I mean, he quote tweeted year reaction and said man, this guy should have a to attack law fan accounts. Seinfeld's pretty funny. But I mean, just the reaction and everyone being excited about the same thing. It's just such a cool feeling and I think that's why we're jacked up usually about sports in general but I mean for for this, this is the start of something special I mean at least we hope. You know for the first time it was all fans kind of came together and yes, there are some people out there. They're still skeptical. You know still have their doubts about two and you know whatever to each their own. But for the most part, this fan base came together everyone's rallying behind. You know and he's just a likable guy guy. You know put family I says all the right things he's he's everything that you want a quarterback. You know he's left handed that's awesome to. Accede New Chang Galas offense. You know you keep hearing these things about the European that to Miami. It's GonNa be exciting times and you know with Ryan Fitzpatrick, they're averaging twenty six point, eight points per game. So you know to think to come in here and even take this offense to another level I mean that's exciting and you just want to know who's going to step up is going to be pressed to Williams's devante Parker GonNa continue to be that number one guys Mike, just sticky up more more targets is Ahah forty knows limb and GonNa come out of nowhere Maushire sharing just got a new contract Adam Shaheen just into their contract and we've been asking for Matt Brita to do. Something to get more touches you know since the beginning of time. So there's a lot of guys out here. This offense you know we all saw the the next gen stat, the widest offense in the NFL you know they're gonNA have a true test this weekend against the rams but it was awesome to see those everyone's reactions and you know to see different families and just everyone again, just coming together and be excited to just know like I mean at the beginning of the year I sat there and I think I predicted it might be to averse bureau and that that's even later in the season you know we're getting right now we're getting in week seven and again this team's playing. The we don't even talk about the defense and they get overlooked in that is that is the truly you know the part of this, the dolphins team that should get everyone excited because when they're healthy, that's a pretty, damn good unit before we get into Sunday's game, let's hit up couple news I was quick I just mentioned that Adam, Shaheen signed a new contract with the Miami Dolphins, which is nice to see for once that another team can earn mismanages a high draft picks Shaheen was a a two, thousand, seventeen, second round pick I believe he was cut by the bears and he's chrome year and he's kind of done everything right at. The complements the team pretty well, I think it's safe to say I. Don't think he is taking the snapped away from to Seki I. Think what we saw earlier in the season was I think Chan Gailey came out and said Pe- people know what two seconds capable people know he can be a team lead receiver on a given day. So having someone like Shaheen is certainly helps just give more opportunities to spread the ball out. So that is exciting to see in that sense that the dolphins I mean depth. When we look at the in general, it's exciting to kind of look at the top tiers of the exuberant Howard having foreigners subjects leave. The offense averaging twenty six points a game on Devante Parker Bowl, and but but generally speaking this team has a lot of death from top to bottom and that's that's the difference maker from years past I mean, it's not just the new culture and the Brian Florence. System I. Mean Years Past it was you know we'd lose a Brandon Elbert and the season is over I remember him kind of going in an interview during I dunno ESPN was on in the room or something like that and I just remember similar brought about how he looked at the screen saw them like bashing the dolphins and he just looked down and disappointment or something those lines so. The death, there is just truly truly something that the dolphins lack and you think about this year, Austin Jackson he had to go down for a couple of games with offensive line really hasn't missed a beat obviously, they have to keep getting better I mean everybody in the NFL to continue to keep better. But for the sake of having three rookies starting at one point and other in the offensive line, you have to love the waiver looking and I don't WANNA little tangent here but Josh Kinky you gotTa talk me about this. I mean so I think it was. Let me see here Matt Hasselbeck was talking about how they're going to be locker room. If if to doesn't perform well especially after Fitzpatrick averaging twenty six point two points per game with the offense but I mean it's the takes that come out about the dolphins are just so weird whether it's about the tanking or or now mutiny I mean how often you hear about a one mutinied locker room it's a little it's a little ridiculous. Yeah, and I think we all remember year ago you heard about this I. think it was Adam Beasley report that there could be immunity no because the dolphins were tanking for two at the time. So there's no mutiny I think on the last show even kind of talked about some of the clothes, these players. They're fully supportive of this decision. You know they're all excited for too but I do have to joke about Adam Shaheen because I'm looking at his stats and I'm looking as career stats and okay as thirty one receptions, three, hundred, seven yards and six touchdowns with Chicago, and then this year, he only has five receptions on seven targets for fifty eight yards in two touchdowns. So I mean after after the putting up that stat line, he got this new contract I think says more about what he does and other aspects you know as far as being a blocker, you know being that number that number two tight end when he has to fill in unnecessary spots so. Good for him to get in like you said, it's nice to see the dolphins take a chance on a guy. They think the conditional seventh round draft pick maybe that turns into a six but you still you gotta tighten to. Three. Yeah. You know to pair with Durham Smyth Mike just sticky for the future. So that's awesome. You mentioned the offensive line I. Think we'll talk about that as we get further on in this podcast because they're gonNA, have their hands full this week and you know everyone talks about Aaron Donald that defense as a whole is is going to be tough tough tough task for the lineup and when they have a rookie quarterback. Out there. When you got to a ton of a low, you know we mentioned You know you hear the players say about some of the things that Ryan Fitzpatrick does pre snap whether it's to help of the rookies get lined up even the offensive line you know whether it's to help the receiver, the running backs here and there to sure he's going to be that leader and it's GonNa be able to do that. But you know not to the same extent and no one should expect them to be able to the same extent as a seventeen year vet who is you know already played in this offense but it's going to be interesting and I think what's exciting to me is this team had a whole week to prepare and so yes yes the rams, they're a pretty damn good team. They're five into right now I think it's Crazy, they're five to and I think their third in their division. That's how good that divisions. But you know there are good unit on both sides and the dolphins had had two weeks to prepare and something's going to give and then to was recently released the Thursday injury report, it's all strange. We haven't had to worry about this for week lot of full practices for the dolphins actor a couple of weeks I think A. In the grand scheme of things the by we kind of came at the right time as the team de lot of nagging injuries. What we have here is we had a couple limited participants on Thursday including Bobby McCain an ankle devante Parker for Groin Jamal Para for folks who did not practice on Wednesday Adam Shaheen limited practice with a shoulder. Andrew Van. Ginkel I think Dash just means he's not on the injury report anymore he was a full practice Wednesday Calvin. A foot injury is what's bothering him. So it's good to see. It's not the the wrist injury, a hand injury who's doing what and then lend Bowden Judy and Jackie Graham. Poll Miss, Thursday's practice Lynn Bowden? It's cited as not injury related education grant was an illness so. Shots with. SHUTOUTS limbaugh. He had a little daughter. So congratulations and I said, the the rams was the four o'clock. It's actually the chargers game that I was thinking of and I don't even know if we should bring that up but I believe of the chargers player corrected May Have tested positive for Kovic so they're not quite sure what's going to happen with that football game. So we'll keep an eye on that as things develop so. You certainly can only control the things that Well, you can control offer for the rams. It's just tyler higby was a limited participate everyone else will go on Thursday. So I mean Josh, every both teams are coming in pretty healthy and I want get to the game but I think it's worth noting that Jason Sanders AFC, special teams player of the. Month I mean I think we all grew to love him after last season where touchdown pass from. Matt Hawk which was the probably the coolest thing. But I think a lot of us will see from a punter and kicker. But he was eleven eleven, outfield goals of that certainly odd throughout the month of October that that was I'm going to cut that. Jason Sanders was eleven of eleven on field goals throughout the month of October. Certainly, he had some health kick in five field goals against both Seattle and San Francisco. He made a fifty yard against San Francisco Seven on seven for extra points I mean these awards really don't mean to too much but it's always nice when your guy in Jason Sanders certainly deserves that going eighteen for eighteen on the month and for as much as we'd love to see the dolphins getting the end zone It's nice knowing that with the second sanders walks out on the field, it's guaranteed three points. That's just a good feeling to have. He's just been a lockdown guy and I think the special teams the Miami Dolphins has been consistent as well. We don't talk about the defense enough, and if we don't talk about the defense enough I don't know if that means about the special. Teams because this unit has been just clean I think that's the best way you can look at it and I think that's the only compliment. You can really have a specialty. Yeah. For sure and I made sure to check the waiver wires and see Jason Sanders was available because the great. Now he's like the number two kicker and fantasy y not WanNa Jason Sanders on your team. Matt, Hawk I mean he's been awesome as a punter and then you look on the other side know anybody that watched that Monday night game they realized how good John Hecker is a for the ram. So there's a juggernaut battle and special teams here in Kyw four best kicker. So this is going to be underrated game, I do think this is GonNa come down the defensive. Match up more than you know offensive but we'll talk about that later but I do i. do like this match with special teams guys in and like you said, Jason Sanders been money. We talked about a few weeks ago. He said he approaches every kick like you know it's the exact same thing. So whether it's a fifty three yarder or that twenty are Gimme. You know he's approaching it pre snap in his head in going out there and he's becoming automatic. Certainly certainly, you know what I think that wraps up all the news we have in Dolphin Bill. So let's take a quick break on other side. It's game lead baby. advertiser, content. We now have two point, three million people incarcerated in America less than seven percent of them are incarcerated for violet crime. That's attorney Geoffrey Robinson director of the ACLU trade. 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I'm here no don't say three times, but I don't know of anyone could possibly would sell those nance three times in a row with giving themselves a heart attack. But Josh before we've been talking about this game I think we have to have a legitimate talk about expectations because we saw it with Kirsten Wilkins, we've seen it with devante Parker. We see that with first round, pick the Miami Dolphins head, and that is you know people would love to see guys step on the field and be instant on maybe in the conversation for rookie of the year or something someone who comes in and is a stud and obviously It doesn't always work like that and Dolphin fans of had reasons to be concerned I. Mean we that a lot of first round bus over the years I mean Charles Harris, the most recent one in two, thousand, seventeen mink of his Patrick I. Guess for the sake of you know if we don't look too detailed into it, you draft pick of his to be the safety for the next four years. That's not what happened. So I guess you could kind of call that bus, but we need to set our sights on the expectations for the Miami Dolphins with two under center and I think you know they're three and three. I want the plows next person I'm gonNA preach the never settled. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. That's why they put two in because they're not settling with fitzpatrick but I I think going five hundred. The rest of the way with two should be deemed a success. I'm not saying that in the sense that I want to happen obviously I'd like to do the more but I mean. Just in Herbert's knuckle mill playoffs Joe Boroughs. Going to the playoffs and you can make the argument of, hey the dolphins have a better team than both of them and that's a good thing that's awesome to hear. But it still doesn't mean they're gonNA make the playoffs. So this is going to be like going to the carnival. One of those pendulum rides just throw you to one side of the park and then back to the other side of the park because. On a given basis, a rookie GonNa Struggle at times, it's just the way it is. You know there are going to be games where to look awesome. They're GONNA be drives. Me Looks Awesome but there are gonna be those heirs. So my call to everyone out there is the please please please don't kind of hold onto every throw or hold onto every game because this is still a learning experience was entire team despite you know trying to push for the playoffs. An eight and eight I mean that's just Miami Dolphins football. Really. So I mean to fill to fit right in and I, mean they're playing good rams team and for you know they had the whole by week, they're implementing different pieces to this offense. You want to go out and exceed you know the twenty six point, eight points per game that they've been putting up. But this is a very good rams team. So he's GonNa have this war that's going to go all season long like you mentioned, I want to throw out these These pets have over body I wanNA, get your opinion on them You just say under okay interceptions in a season nine under okay. And then here they got his passing touchdowns thirteen and a half over under. All. That's that's GONNA. Be Real close passing touchdowns. I went over but I'm just a homer go over to the interceptions. I. Kinda I wanted you know I'm GonNa go over with both I think both of those are going to be right but I I think it's a sign of of is going to be but the I hope it's not been such. Teddington but. Then got they got passing yards two, thousand, three, hundred, eighty passing yards over under two, thousand, eight, hundred. Two thousand three, hundred eighty I'm GONNA go over on that. He had the the largest yards per attempt in college football history. I think that when you got to go over for sure and then he has starts here to over under eight and a half. Ten Games starts nine of them. That's that's risky but I mean and brand floor is what he did last year I mean he said Josh Rosen would be the starter for the rest of the season. Then pull them two games obviously at to a completely different. It's the guy who drafted compared to. You know just taking a used car for a spin I don't to come out sending worse than the metaphor was supposedly but God. Oh, man I'm going to go over I. Think he's a starter the rest of the season I I think that justice kinda hinting injuries at and again I don't WanNa. Call someone injury are plagued. In their first year of NFL is just not how it works. In the way I see it they have ten games left to play there probably GonNa get a first round. Bye they'll probably play a playoff game so if I think. So. Yeah. So I think for sure it'll be that over and then this weekend combined passing and rushing yards week eight against the rams two hundred and fifty i. mean I feel you have the smash the over there right? One hundred and fifty yards. I had him thrown for to forty seven. You're telling me is not going to rush for another three. Yeah. I'm on board with that. Let's go. Let's go over I think. We're just going. Are we just going over on of them? You think we should. I should place his power just going over on all of them. I think we should I mean you look at the dolphins offense and there is talent I'm the field I mean it's like, yes, there's a rookie quarterback and yes, there's going to be issues but I mean, they're not gonNA play scared with them. They don't have you know a workers running back. They can give it to you know forty s thirty snaps a game or something they got mouse gas and they're going to give him those carries. They are and they have but but yeah, I think I'd go over on all of those I think those are interesting because that's the thing about the is a a book bookies I mean they got this down to a science where they do slice it right down the middle of. Transitioning Josh we mentioned the rams are five and two, but I'm going to be a yearbook I'm a homer. I'm GONNA go completely spins on New Josh. Coming into this week did you know who the rams their five wins came against? No no idea with they swept the NFC East and beat the bears. Those are their five wins. There's a real that is they're five lanes, be Washington movies, giants they beat the cowboys who am I missing in that Division Eagles the eagles. Football Team and they beat the bears. They beat the bears on Monday night last week, the dolphins are coming off a by the rams are to into on the road got to travel all the way short week short week short we. See I'm getting the spins on going because I can tell you right now. Yes I'm not trying to say the rams are being are Abed team, but this is a proven game for them I don't think they've had a win I'm GonNa say the bears thirty five and three right now. I certainly want to say that the dolphins are a better team than the shah ago bears I don't care what the records say So knowing these things, let's get into it judge I don't want this to get to number, but I did WANNA share some of that the rams are starting of the defensive side of the ball. The. Rams are third in the league with sacks twenty four middle of the pack interception six and the dolphins are kind of bit on the pack of both with seventeen sacks, seven interceptions. Of course, for those belong to Zambian Howard who is tied with. Kendall Fuller for the League high quarterback at traded he's not getting trade he's not getting ridiculous ridiculous. The rams allow about a hundred accurately close to one hundred yards per game on the ground Seven best mark in the League, the dolphins are at nineteenth allowing one, hundred, twenty, four rushing yards per game and then the ran's largest one, hundred or two, hundred, twelve yards per game through the fifth best mark and the dolphins again, middle pack to thirty six So see here's the rams are an above average team I wanted to say their stellar on the defensive side of the ball, but but they're certainly in the in a top tier. But again, you're facing baracks there you're facing Washington, you're facing the cowboys you're facing these teams that. Isn't the Dove Conference competition it is what it is. I said it on offense the rams offense puts up roughly four hundred yards a game, two, hundred and fifty who the air and hundred hundred, demographic the dolphins and actually really close to that. They're actually pretty close with the two hundred, fifty yards through the air just fifty less yards on the ground averaging about one hundred and the ranch just allow one SACRA game the second best mark and the Dolphins Lau one point, seven secs per game the Levin bestmark this really comes down to The Rams love to get the ball fast they are to step gonNA call it a day type offense. Thank you later, type team where they're just GonNa try to be you have the catch drafted any of those numbers release did not stand out most to me is you know you look the dolphins are three and three look at the rams you mentioned the. Teams that they beat they're five and two. A lot of people are picking the Rams I forget who tweeted it out. It was a picture of you know how people on Espn they go through when they make each pick and and there was was a full sweep for the the Los Angeles Rams. I think people were sleeping dolphins but I think what is most? Interesting is how these two teams match and like you said they're doing very similar to one another they both play very good defense. They're both getting to the quarterback. They both have secondaries that are pretty shut down, and then offensively they tried to establish the run. You mentioned dolphins those fifty yards a little bit short. But are I think they might rely on the run a little bit more now with two in the lineup? US I. Think they're going to use his legs more as you know hopefully as a decoy at first, I'd love to see him take off run. We talked about that in previous podcast but you've got to protect him and he's got learned a slide. He's GonNa be much better. And he's got to be better throwing the football away but I, think he's going to do just you know putting that in the defensive ends mindset. Okay. To is going to keep that ball and run. You know just putting that in his mind could open up that split second for hold open up and you know the magic it happen I think they're gonNA come out and they're going to try to establish their own because you know a rookie quarterback's best friend is at run game. It's those those tight ends no security blankets I mean I'm I'm interested to see the way everything just plays out but It is I. Think it's going to be most interesting is the offense of line play between the Miami Dolphins, those younger guys, Eric Flowers, veteran, Ted crosses a veteran you look across from them. I mean, they got Donald and he is hands down the best defensive player in Football I. The dolphins came out and Brian floors basically said, you know we need to recognize where he is, but it's not five on one. So you know they got Leonard Floyd. Did, you just look throughout Michael Brokers Meka Kaiser Kenny Young. You can go down the list here there secondary's also Jalen Ramsey John Johnson safety in an Taylor wrap. It match up on both sides and I think it's going to be interesting the way Solomon Kinley in the way Robert Hunt rise to this occasion 'cause it's to my. Knowledge Jackson's not ready to go I. It's Jessie Davis will be in the left side. Air. Flowers Ted caress. So you've got the veterans on the left side but that right side to his blindside, you know it's killing Robert Hunt and they're gonNA move Aaron Donald Around that that front To take advantage of over that weaknesses and it's going to be like you said, he chess battle. But that I think is where this game is going to be one loss than to to is ready to get hit you. He did a presser earlier. You know he kind of said I I know I'm going to get hit I can't really brace myself but I know I'm going out there playing football it's part of the game it's going to happen but. I'm excited. I'm excited I'm nervous and I'm just. 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So that's always nice to see and you mentioned all those guys on the rams defense and I wanted to say this was an all star I Versus team battle in a sense where you have jalen Ramsey Study Aaron Donald. Versus the consistency I don't think the dolphins have anyone you'd call a superstar but what they do is they have a team that plays well together they have a team that makes it work. They have a team that can do a lot of different things and beat you and a lot of different ways. So instead I I want to quote more of just like a big play defensively rams compared to the consistency of the Miami Dolphins and in terms of consistency on that unit I think Ryan Fitzpatrick. Was the most inconsistent one in terms of just trying to get out there and score touchdowns. So what I see is that a dolphins offense that just needs to play. A clean football game again, every team every week wants to come out and play Queen football just simply what has to be you ever rookie quarterback I mean I obviously don't think no one's going to really dump interceptions or anything like that. But with the dolphins, the adduces played clean and we need exhibit Howard and Brian Jones Buyer Jones. Did Not say maxwell to force the rams to get the ball going on the ground we can't let Bob Woods and Cooper cop really awesome. We need a slow the game down for the sake of both sides of the ball I. Think the only helped the dolphins offense as it is the find itself under to attack by law but. To being a rookie, we'll have some mistakes. It simply comes down to how cost that you're gonNA be I. Think While we have three keys to the game here, I think that's going to be the most important one to two interceptions. But Hey, they could be run the middle of field. The deepens comes and cleans it up for him. I mean the dolphins. Could have had the worst quarterback performance of all time against the jets and so would have one because I mean they didn't give up a single point I don't think they're going to do that again especially Jay's fell but I mean that defense is really going to have to bail out to a times and and I think they're certainly up to the judge. The thing to me is those two interceptions at two throws that'd be no different than Ryan. Fitzpatrick. And I, think that's kind of what the dolphins see here. This point you know to is going to go out there he's going to make some throws at Ryan Fitzpatrick Ryan Fitzpatrick simply could not make you know he's going to go out there and Okay Ryan Fitzpatrick a better understanding of just the offense and just the NFL game because he's been around seventeen years but to a does Behind Center once footballs in his hand, he's going to elevate everyone around him and it's exciting time. But you're right the dolphins defense is absolutely have to step up and you mentioned Cooper Cup you mentioned Robert Woods two very good wide receivers. It's going to be exhibiting how're Byron Jones it's going to be time for them to step up and show the world. You know they are that tandem and we've seen it so far we seen saving how're there's a reason he's tied for. The league with four interceptions, they know who's to say most of that isn't because you know, yes, he's making plays on the football, but they look to the other side Byron Jones Lock in his guy. Now they're going to examine Howard, and then you got the guys on the back end and again bobby McCain plane out of his mind hat tip to him the Miami. Dolphins Blues Wingfield prior wrote an article about Bobby McCain and just leader and being at quarterback on the field. And then you've got Eric Rowe next to him. Host Dude just a it's a battle and I think the way I would see it and you mentioned this and you've got to win the turnover battle but you also have here avoid negative plays with a quarterback I mean you can't dig yourself a hole but at the same time you gotta go out there and you got to at least take those chances because again with Ryan Fitzpatrick and a lot of he was making stupid stupid errands throws at times and yes the dolphins roped out to elite. So that's why they kind of overlooked. Too is going to go out there and he's GonNa take chances, but he's going to take calculated chances and I'm excited to see what he does with the football hand that is a very good defense and again temporary expectations if he goes out there and throws two interceptions and three touchdowns Soviet, that's exactly what Ryan Fitzpatrick did last week against the New York jets I mean he's going to have is ups and downs. He still a rookie but you this is a very good football team across from him and. It's going to be time for him to go out there and show the world and you think rob profit. Again, we keep giving him a shout-out but he mentioned he might not go out there and he might not win the football game. He might not make you know have the nice stat line, but you're going to see glimpses and you're going to see you know those those plays you just make damn this guy special. It's been a long time since Dolphin fans look their quarterback and say, Dan this guy's special. Yeah and I think the hope is I if I want to make a comparison here, the difference between two and Fitzpatrick, it's just how they get things done. I mean I've got to say it this way let's say Ryan Fitzpatrick is playing madden where all you do is press the colored skittles as I like a call in that being the the bebop, the the Y. Bud if you move. Let's hear. Go on talking about the playstation. X Square Triangle and Circle Circle Circle Circle. Yes. How can I forget the circle bud so basically, let's say Ryan Fitzpatrick is using those for binds you throw it to receiver that but we were hoping to see from to a even at their the interceptions which were certainly expecting at this point is using the pump fakes is manipulating safeties with is some things we actually did see the to place you he the two passes through last week. Those are the types of things that we WANNA. See, those are the flashes that I think rob profit was hitting hinting at an all josh. The third key here is simply score touchdowns op. There are a lot of coaches in this league who will kick fuel goals just to Kinda even the score little closer. So we didn't get blown out by twenty one we lost by eighteen instead just kind of little things like that. What the dolphins needs do is just hate those shots of the end zone it on fourth down even if you're up. If you're seven points and you can kinda put a dagger in by scoring another seven. Yes isn't the rams seemed that went to the Super Bowl, but this is still a damn good team. I mean Brian for knows knows it's kind of exciting to see him go up against this defense again because you get to see what is different about that offense excuse me to see what happens with him in charge and that's kind of exciting in its own part. But offensively, this team needs to score touchdowns when the went on the run what would five of the last nine games last season they were the trick plays. The things that were coming out of nowhere those jabs you weren't expecting they're really opened up the team on both sides of the ball kept them energize and it cut everyone the field jazz I think the dolphins are going to need to do this and with a rookie quarterback on the hill I do not WanNa see five field goals, decent sanders. I love you and it's so much fun having you and it is great that you'd never miss a kick but. Man The rams are really good offense I think this team needs to be scoring touchdowns whether it's a pick six whether it's a Matt Hawk heck to Jason Sanders Pass these dudes need to find the end zone and I. think that is one of the you know behind the turnover battle I think that's the biggest key if you go to for four on four thousand but it results in two touchdowns I think to has got to remember that it is going to give them. Confidence than kicking four field goals, I just think that's where the he needs to be. At this point, it needs to be learned from mistakes and putting yourself into a position to win whether you get. They're not I mean that's GonNa come. It starts with the attitude starts with the mentality and the results they sent from there. Good football teams you know they take those risks. They do things out of the box and they go for two point conversions those times when you want expect it, they were fakes you know they bring out the limb belden wildcat time. So I think it's GonNa be fun to see and I think you're right. They got to go out there and I think Brian floors this is his quarterback you know this is his team. This is what he kind of your one. Yes. Brian floors came to town he kind of started to rebuild things but the guys he brought in this. Year and it's only a year or two but this is his football team. You know you can just feel things just seem different and that trickles trickles over into into the offense even though he hasn't that offense guy he is visiting with two we mentioned last podcast they they watch film every week showing him the nuances he's telling him what to see in the defenses. I'm excited to see where the dolphins go out there, but they absolutely have to execute but they got to take those risks. They gotta take chances because there are three and three right now they're playing with. House Money Two thousand twenty was always GonNa, be that year leading up two hundred twenty one to is in there now to goes out there and plays very good football or play winning football. You expect that defense to do its thing you expect this team to you know to to have some success and it's nice to see it all come together and I'm ready for it. I'm ready to see the way This offense looks behind to it and you have to tip your has a chance because we're sitting here and saying the offices do a little bit more we WanNa. See more, but it's better than last year. You know we're seeing the creativity were seeing different things, Outta Chan, Gailey, and I forget who was a blue as Joe Shod ruin article. This was always dating back to the draft image just kind of with the offense will look like with two in Chiang Gillian was all about the RPO's and Chris said Chang yellows kind of the first guy to Kinda bring the RPO's net type of football to the NFL to is the perfect quarterback to to be the man's to be the leader in offense that specialize knows rpo specialized news quick. Passes that fits his skillset. So well, we're going to see it all come together and it's going to happen against again a very good defense. Something's gotTa give two to to is gonNA show the world what he is and I just don't know the Dolphin fans I mean for everything that this year's being first crappy as it's been, we're getting to see to it you know aids, there's some joy invent fancied to be hyped up because this is a thing that we're going to remember for for many many years. Hopefully in a good way, and let's turn this into our final segment. Here are key players before I give mine I think I should give them special shop brand florist I tweeted out in the site of one game I don't know and the the team was. One into at the time and I said. I, tweeted out Brian for was was hired as the defensive head coach and. People. Started yelling at me like isn't it a little too early to be saying that they I'm in that it's a bad thing. But no brand portas was hired to be an offensive minded head coach at you know people started to kind of look Miami's way when they beat San Francisco when that defense was Kinda ran over the forty niners and then it was you know Garoppolos. Injured Yada, Yada Yada and never kind of brushed it. But this is if the dolphins win this game, if that defends really steps up, Brian Fours is going to be starting to you know join the discussion for coach of the year candidate very early the season if the dolphins beat this rams team, I do think there is a good shot for them to do that. We'll. Get into our final predictions soon. But I think I need to you know was a key player I. Think Brian Floors is up there as much as anyone as especially I'm gonNA mention miles gas and miles gaskin as my key players simply because he's the type of guy you what when you are starting a rookie quarterback yes he's thirty first in the League averaging four point. Rushing. Yards per carry. This includes quarterbacks too. So it gets a little wonky especially seeing that and his long is of twenty-one. Patrick Mahomes is the seventy second longest run by a player This season I his only run of more than fifty yards was that twenty one yard scramble and his average. Any is also averaging six point, seven yards per catch twenty, nine attempts. But. He's twenty seven of those we know of Gaskins. We know he's probably suited better to be a consistent number two running back probably, very, very good number two running back. But I mean when you ever rookie quarterback out there gaskins sure handed he gets what he can. There's not a lot of negative plays with them. There might not be a lot of huge place, but it just kind of is what it is I mean. If Gaskin plays the way we know he is capable of he's going to be a lifesaver for two. I think he's just such a consistent solid player in that Guy Brian floors want someone who's going to show up. He's going to catch the ball come his way. He's GonNa hit a whole can only get three yards or be aggressive go for the seventeen Years, he's GonNa take for yards while you know that's not super bowl winning football that is a winning formula in sense and I think someone like asking just playing that clean football he's going to be a key for Miami Dolphins offense and in general the Miami Dolphins. If they WANNA win on Sunday Miles Gaskin is a very fundamentally sound running back and I think. That's why the dolphins like him so much. That's why you like him so much I mean you've been pretty hard on him but I think you talked about it more than anyone on these podcasts. I'm proud of you. I think we're both price start Maoz. Gaskin. At least one fantasy this week and you know you mentioned him and it's a cop out to me. But I gotta say the offensive line and you mentioned the running back. What's more important to a young quarterback besides at running back to lean on the offensive line who makes it all come together and you look across from at the rams defense we mentioned how great the are. They've Aaron Donald Again, the the best defensive player in Football Michael, Brocker Sebastian, Joseph, day. I polite Leonard. Floyd God they have pretty much everybody on that other side and the dolphins are going to have to rely on Robert Hunt. Who you know he's been awesome Solomon Kinley he's been awesome Ted Carafe. pretty damn good. Since he came, you know he's been the equivalent to to kill war was last year and he's been playing better in my opinion. So when does he eventually get it? Maybe a second contract sure. The dolphins go out there draft to create home free that that'd be very awesome if they draft secre Humphry. But Ted craftsman simply pretty good air flowers have been everything they've asked for you here all the young players every offensive lineman on the team talking. About how you know how much is taking them under his wing and kind of help modem help them become a better professional and Jessie Davis is the perfect sixth man. He's that kind of that Chessy said, I guess you know the puzzle piece of kind of fits into every single spot I. This is a match up that you want to see them go out that you WanNa sees young guys because you know we love these young players. We we love Solomon Kinley Robert. Away Jersey, beach. Let us know about it ever even away, Solomon. Killing Jersey. You know he's going to have his hands for Aaron Donald. How awesome is it going? Be You know if he knocks Donald is asked it's GonNa be a match up to watch. So you mentioned the running game particularly miles gaskin. You gotTA mentioned Y'all offensive line and again particular that right side because that's to his blindside that Solomon that's Robert Hunt, and again I feel like the rams are going to try to you know take advantage of those young players. Air Flowers is a pretty damn who left Guard Jessie Davis Pretty. Suitable. Left tackle and not taking anything from Salman killer Robert Hunt But who's defense coordinator GonNa. Attack the veterans or they're gonNA try to go after those young guys in the NFC. What they're made of I think Robert Robert Hunt saw McKinley are both you know Muller's I'm excited for the future them I'm ready to see what they can do and again to a success miles gaskin success. The success of this entire team really of revolves around that offensive line and you know you can say the same thing about the defense online and get into Jared Goff and the you know the rams. The rams offense, but it's really going to come down to what offensive line can do for not only the run game two. It's mellow. Yeah and you know we have a Google doc where we can write down everything we want to talk about and I didn't write a final score here because I just think it's so important for us all say again, please don't freak out if two comes out here and looks awful, it is one game. It is a whole season. There's going to be nine games to really evaluate him before we really need to decide what's happening. So please please please don't be on the teetering from dramatic dramatic success dramatic failure Yada. Yada Yada. Let's. Let's let this play out. I mean. But at the same time we have to be excited I. Really do think this is a solid matchup, the dolphins I think the rams, they loved to get that ball out early. That's a big reason why you only average one set giving up a game I? Mean in today's NFL, you just don't do that unless you're giving getting the ball out in two seconds three seconds like that Byron Jones Xavi and Howard to very physical quarters GonNa give Cooper Cup and Bob Woods all the issues in the world I'm confident in this Brian Floor, his defense, and Josh. Again, this is a Miami Dolphins podcast and people unless you're trying to get hyped up can probably turn it off right now because you know what I'm about to say, I'M GONNA. Say The dolphins are GonNa win this game because I just think they match up. Well, I Aaron Donald is going to be a problem I know jalen Ramsey is gonna be a problem but you've had two weeks figure this out. We need to start believing in Brian floors the Chan Gillies in the world that they know they have a system in place that if we got the players that. Can execute we have a system where they're going to have success. It's a balanced the offense have been trying to get. We mentioned the you know the potential mutiny, but that's not going to happen because Brian for the system the guys he has bought US picked out the players who really didn't fit that culture and I mean I. Don't mean that they didn't fit in in terms of the NFL or anything, but you need to be a certain type of player Tad success in any given team and for his guys I'm GonNa go the Miami Dolphins Command of the by. Ramp on a short week. Thirty one, twenty-one. MIAMI. Dolphins. I like it. I like it. Right. Before I give my prediction. I just have to give a shoutout to the dolphins defensive line just that you know that front seven in general because we didn't really touch on them a lot and it's going to be fun to watch the way Manual Arba. You know he has five sacks tied for eighth in the NFL the dolphins have been. Playing pretty damn good defensive and getting pressure on the quarterback pretty often and you gotta give him credit if Conway plays you know he's a huge part of that defense. But if not, you got Andrew Van, Ginkel who like you said, he came back from rare cushioned protocol. He's ready to go A Landon Roberts is playing very good against the run. On Davis has been a monster for Christian Wilkins, Zach, Sealer, I, mean those are the guys that are out to get pressure on Jared Goff to help ease some of that pain. So you know I'm Byron Jones and existing Howard they lockdown those guys on the outside. Those are the guys got to continue to get pressure because I posted a video. He kind of last week. The Miami Dolphins they were just bringing pressure they're bringing the heat from. There planning around very well, it was a full group effort and again it was it was against the New York jets but we've seen it when the dolphins are healthy this defenses plane, crazy football and I eventually, I was honestly going to go with the rams until you again brought it up and this is a dolphins podcast and the dolphins did have this by weekend I'm going to keep bringing it up. You know when Brian Floor is he he was already head coach. You already said he was going to be the dolphins head coach he went out there. And he? Took that new. England patriots and the it wasn't all him. You Know Bill Belichick at a lot to do with it. But Brian Floor is called a game and Bella checking your credit him with some of that. They beat them thirteen to three. He held chaumet that genius offense that everyone was Kinda hyped up about held them to three point. So why can't he do it? Again I'm going to go twenty, four, twenty, one, it's going to be on a last second Jason Sanders Field Goal to get his first win. Then you know what all the Dolphin fans can go and troll the bangle fans. And, the Herbert and the charger fans who you know those guys are those quarterbacks are great and no one's ever going to discredit them. But three quarterbacks can be great out of the same draft class. That's not something crazy. But you know to get his first win you know first opportunity dolphins have something to at least you know hang their cap on and I think again like you said you. got a temporary expectations if they lose this game if they don't play the best football, so be it. It's one game. You know it's to his first action out there. This is the preseason. No, he didn't have a preseason out there and through two passes he had five snaps. So if he goes out there and makes mistakes calm the hell down. This is the future quarterbacks the Dolphins WanNa. See what they had, and they want to see what this offense looks like and I think it's GonNa look much different. I think the defense is GonNa step up and again if you can stop that run, you said they had one hundred fifty yards per game. You can stop that run force jared Goff who you know without trying to be an ass he's not the best quarterback in the NFL. Force. To make mistakes and make him try to beat you with his arm. I think the dolphins be in pretty good shape with you know buyer Jones Saving Howard, those two safeties behind him. I think it'd be in pretty good shape stop the Ron see jared Goff can do and again to eliminate mistakes but hesitates take those chances because again, Ryan Fitzpatrick was making those same mistakes and he's not GonNa be looked nearly as nice in dolphins uniform as you do. About that Jared Goff I. Think Again, I'm not saying I don't think you trying to say is a bad quarterback. We wouldn't say in that top tier that premiere quarterback type of. Group where if it's a thirty eight something like that, you'd happily take that every time. He's on your fantasy team but that's only because you're starters on Bhai right as. You're starting because yeah that's that's such a great comparison but thank you guys so much for listening at the dolphins. Duport this win. We're going to figure out a Kuwait Applaud Hash tag along the lines of having your cake and eating it too tour something like that because if they start winning games with two at quarterback, especially if you're beating a a five and two. Rams team I mean the sky's the limit and that's the thrill of it again. Thank you guys so much for listening if you're enjoying what you're. 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76: NFL Draft Series: Quarterbacks Preview With Mark Schofield

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76: NFL Draft Series: Quarterbacks Preview With Mark Schofield

"This is the Patriots all 22 podcasts on the clns media Network the leading online provider for the sixth time Super Bowl champion New England Patriots. Welcome in here in New Edition and the Patriots all 22 podcast powered by the ceiling Us Media podcast Network. I am Evan Lazard joined as always by Adam curtain and today we have a very special guest with us. It is Mark Schofield from all over the place these days now Mark, I always lose track of where exactly the tag you in there. So you can just fill it in Pats Pulpit or the winter. I don't even know where it is anymore Volkswagen to touch down wire at USA. Yeah. Like I said, yeah we agreed they should big move. You just just follow me on Twitter if you feel like you have Mark school, but if you'd known I understand to look I'll try not to drop any Curtis Weaver takes in case that about all the time line, you know, the third round defensive ends is really what gets people going in this page. A process. I'm sure our quarterback takes which is obviously why we have Mark with us here today is going to be just as fiery and I'm a bad host. I should have known all of your different website affiliate, but I don't know what either so it's no big deal. Don't worry about it. But yeah today we are going to talk quarterbacks with the quarterback Guru himself and I'm very excited to do that. And we want to make sure we're going to get right into it cuz we got a lot to talk about and we wanted to start with the quarterback at the top of the draft and to attack of Aloha who all of a sudden looks like he might not be at the top of the draft any more than Michael Barty reporting today that there is a couple of teams that have already failed to as physical so mark my question is for you is for this actually not about his health, but just in terms of to as a project is he all the hype that we hear? You know, is he as good as everybody says he is. I mean, I think if you take the medical stuff in strip it away whether you have Borough one or two or one like you can make sure Is for either one of those guys at the top of the board. I mean, I have Borough one to it, too. When I watch too. I see a quarterback that does some things very well. I see a quarterback. That's an ideal scheme for a Modern Life Coast offense, cuz that's basically what it was right under Steve sarkisian, you know with a love RPO stuff, but it's stuff. You see in the National Football League. I see somebody with a quick release with good accuracy short intermediate even down the field. Somebody would arm Talent that's more than enough to thrive in the National Football League. I see somebody that could be schematically diverse, but obviously his best fit in my mind. Is that West Coast system? I do see some flaws. I mean, I think there are times that long, you know, and it's interesting people have used the fact that he was playing with potentially for first of all and wide receivers and a first-round right tackle against him and I think in a way that did sort of impact whole because there were times on film when you can see him sort of assuming that everything was going to be there for him and and not really confirm intent post. Now, I do think there are times you realize on his athleticism too much which obviously led to suck. Lower-body injuries, but I think again if you strip the medical stuff away, I think he's a clean Prospect the problem becomes the medical stuff and that's obviously stuff that we can answer and I don't know how much we read into the two teams fail and and one team pick in the top ten. But if that is true, then he might fall and I will say that, you know dead back to the Senior Bowl. I was hearing the teams weren't satisfied with him from a medical perspective. You know, I've heard that she was that might be interested in a quarterback may not be that enticed by what they've seen him. How much of that again we believe I don't know I think on the field between the lines he's clean, but the medical was a huge part of the picture. Yeah. I think he's a guy worth taking a chance off one of the things I look at, you know, you know any time you look at a guy who's got injury history, especially at a position like quarterback you think you know if he's getting hurt in college and he's definitely dead. Get hurt in the pros, but still I think part of it is, you know, he does such a good job creating, you know, extra seconds to look downfield and often plays big plays Off Script, but then again, you know, those are also some of the places where he gets hurt. Right does he have to take her what he has what his sort of DNA comes to that or or do you sort of not mess with that? I mean Adam, it's it's a wonderful question. It's one that I think a lot of quarterbacks have to Grapple with but the problem is sometimes these guys just suck they are and they're not going to be able to change that. I think a prime example was Carson Wentz is Carson Wentz cuz if you look back at where once was in college, you know, he was somebody that was willing to offer extended plays play late into the play. He plays alive when probably more reasonable quarterbacks would have just thrown it away or or taking a sack and fought for you know, the next live for the next town down. Part of what it's made once great in college and it was made him great in the NFL but he's also missed a lot of time had season-ending injuries and there are some that speculate like for example Benjamin so lack of the same network was an eagles guy wrote a piece about sort of duality of Carson Wentz, which is what makes me what makes us love him is what might end his career early and yet think you can make the same case for two of which is often makes him grin his like you said that ability and scrambled real situations to keep plays alive to extend Plains Beyond where other people throw the ball away and just live a third-down or punt the ball away that makes them great but mistakes as well as injuries and in terms of mistakes you look at you had just three interceptions last year, but one of those against Tennessee was on a first-and-goal situation where you probably could have just taken a sack they're good enough to live for a second down for third down, but he extends to play, you know fights through potential Sacre to keeps it alive and then throws an interception and you know, and so it's that again like The Duality of went dead. Audi of two, what makes him special might sort of be a problem in the long run? Yeah, I think as a prospect the one thing that a lot I'm hearing a lot from teams is just like it's not necessarily but the injuries that have already happened. It's about the injuries that are going to have future and is he quote on quote brittle, you know his his bones brittle and is he just acceptable to every single time he gets into a bad spot. He's going to get her so I don't know if it's necessarily the hip or the ankles or whatever the case may be from the past. It's more about looking ahead and saying if we draft this guy are we going to get two contracts out of it going to get him for the next 5 to 10 years or are we really looking at a guy? That's only going to play 4 or 5 Seasons in the NFL my one question for you Mark just from him on the field, but I watched him when the pocket is clean or he's able to move around and then reset he's got plenty of armed, but when he gets crowded in the pocket and he's got people up in his lap and he doesn't have the ability to really suck. Been to that throw I saw a couple of throws just kind of hang a little bit, but maybe I'm just being a little bit, you know too nitpicky with him know. I don't think you're being too nitpicky at all. I do think that there are situations when the velocity isn't a lead like I wouldn't say that he has the arm Talent. That's a a nice in or Herbert brings to the table. I think it might be on par perhaps a little bit of an upgrade the borough's I think it's enough for what the Patriots might ask him to do. I think there might be some offenses that are more vertical based say the Chargers and what we expect them to look like, you know, interestingly off the new Tom Brady Tampa Bay Buccaneers, we expect that offense to look like, you know that you know, it might be a little bit of a difficult fit or tougher fit, but I think you could still do it. But yeah, I don't I don't think you're looking to and said this is the ideal quarterback from an arm strength perspective. I think he certainly is better off when the pocket is clean when he can drive into throws when he could finish him through the front foot if he has to operate with Should the street like you said it from collapsing pockets of talent the velocity will dip as a result, but the cool thing about it is that he's so good in the pocket and he's such a pocket edition that he just moves around and then resets and his hi. My name is so created Created space that it doesn't impact him as much as it does other quarterbacks, like, you know another guy. I'm sure we're going to talk about his Jake Fromm, but Jake Fromm struggles that sort of created space and then so when you sort of add to that the arm strength issues that he has it's more of an issue it to top quarterbacks in the strap Borough and and to talk to the best college prospects. I've seen at doing just that of creating space for themselves in the pocket. Like that's something that we talked about with Brady a lot and prayed he's doing this for twenty years and these guys are doing it on their college team that that's a really awesome part about both of those guys. Is there any Love For Love or Justin Herbert or any of those guys in the first round for the Patriots Mark? I mean if God It were me and I'm a twenty-three and both of those guys around the board. And I think look we've got a shot here to take a quarterback. That's fallen into our laps. I'm taking Justin Herbert over Jordan love song and I know that the league is going through some TVs going to talk themselves into Jordan love in the first round. I would let somebody else make that mistake in my mind. I think there are situations where it could work for Jordan love life if you guys up in Indianapolis, I think that might be an ideal situation for him Frank Reich has a history of grooming quarterbacks. He helped him once a bit. There's a situation where he wouldn't have to play right away. But I look at the 18 interceptions last year. I look at the he could have had 18 interceptions in 2018 the taper made everybody fall in love with him in the first place and they're just still too many decision-making problems with leave me questioning the traction for him with Herbert. Look. I know it's a lawn body of work and people might wonder how could we never really became this Elite type prospect that develop these other guys are like say a Borough or a tuba. But with sticks out with me is you know, the more I watch college quarterbacks the more I watch draft prospects. I used to get hung up on reading defenses and going through progressions and things like that. But I think the steel that translates the best for a quarterback is the ability to just read and throw off of Leverage as I'm sort of make leveraged read to the downfield passing game and that's something I think her buttocks else, you know, there are always throws that stick in my mind for a quarterback as I go through each draft cycle and one of his from 2018 was a switch verticals concept to the left against California and there's been coverage they don't switch it. So the slot receiver has to get to the outside to cover the now boundary vertical route and he sees that and he throws it back shoulder 40 yards downfield right hash to left side on the line. And that's one of those like proverbial put the pen down moments. It's like look I've seen enough like this to you can make plays in the NFL and so if I'm given the opportunity to draft from one of those two years I'm taking Justin Herbert over children love and I probably agree with you there. The thing that I like about Herbert is he's got those moments in his film like like watch an entire game and wonder why they're not scoring fifty five points and stuff like that. But then another thing you know, I guess this is a reverse of what you see with borrow and two but like I said, it's weapons aren't outstanding. No, no, no, they're very average and he's still you know able to fit in there sometimes so I guess that's why you don't see that huge production, you know volcano or anything like that where he's just, you know, putting up huge numbers, but but he does have a couple like throws every single game you watch where it's like, wow, you know, not many people can make that throw so, yeah. Yeah, I think he's he's an interesting and loves has throws like that too. And we know that NFL coaches look at some of the throes and he makes like you could even put on but the LSU game wage. With 50% of his throat and throws three picks in a post route early in the game and the Red Zone. Let me put on the money if it's caught. It's a walk-in touchdown and who knows what that game? Looks like. Yeah that game where you're like man this is legit, but that he'll throw three pics and you look at the big Forest game where that was just season opener and people were excited. He was the darling of the draft summer scouting season and it was just like, oh, okay, here are some throws here, but it's just still the decision-making wasn't there now look to his credit. He said all the right things right? He goes down to Mobility talks about the 17 teachable moments. He goes to the combine. He talks about 17 teachable moment said, it's it's all the right things that he's had a decent pre-draft process and the league is going to look at having think big arm big athlete. She coming from the Mountain West we can make this work. He didn't have athletes around him who helped better guys to throw two in our system. They look at Josh out and they'll talk themselves into doing it. And I know that's going to happen and some teams going to draft him in the top ten. I just it couldn't be me. Yeah, I think I fell in love with Jordan love I'm not going to lie. I watch the tape and I saw the snappy release and just the arm strength are the two things that I really liked a lot. It's mainly just the fact that the throwing motion is so, it's not just that he can throw it on a line, but he can also take a little bit off of it and I thought he had a little bit more control on his ball than Herbert Herbert is a guy that I know can rip it up to see him and we can rip it outside on a back-shoulder 40 yards down the field like you mentioned but he's not necessarily going to be the guy that's going to throw the touch ball over the linebacker you no doubt the field and I think Jordan love had a little bit more of that on his tape that being said, he didn't Jordan love had no idea where underneath Defenders were, you know, he was just throwing interceptions two guys that were underneath the defense, you know, Zone dropping linebackers hook curl Defenders that kind of thing just like it was job. It seemed like he was almost like I didn't even see guys at times in that LSU game that we're just clearly underneath the route and he's just throwing the ball Herbert. I think the funny thing is, is that correct? In 2019 like his tape with handling pressure and all this stuff comes out from everybody about how he looks so skittish in the pocket and he can't sit in there. I'm actually not that concerned about that. I'm working Thursday about what kind of throws is he going to make every single week consistently for me in an offense like New England where it's not just short passing game vertical passing game cuz that's what organ is. It's like either a couple screen or it's a golf ball options. So, where where is he going to fit in? What does he threw really good? Well outside the numbers PFF charting had him really good, you know timing routes come back is that type of stuff outside the numbers but I just don't know if he has a consistent intermediate work to be able to succeed in New England. Yeah. No, I mean I know exactly what you're talking about like that ability to sort of lay off rows behind linebackers in front of safe. He's like that is something that I've seen from him where at times like and look at it as interceptions. He had an interception on a scene type route. That was a middle of the field open range. With the she was working to the middle of the field against Cal this year where it seemed like he didn't know how to throw it. You know, he didn't know if he should put velocity on it or put more touch on it and he got kind of caught between his a good man. You've been doing this for a while. You should have this down by now and part of it was the fact that you look at like you said that offense almost every throw was a hitch a bubble or or like outside the numbers and so, you know, there's an incomplete body of work when it comes to doing that and that's going to be an issue in an office like New England's I still trust him more than loved but it's certainly something to think about if they can get somebody that can run the same like Gronk he's too and you get hurt here that you just have them throw the cannon down the cement I'm against it and we'll be glad all right. Let's talk about the group of quarterbacks. Now who are more realistic options. I would say for the Patriots on day two and then one day three guy that will get to Mark talked me into Jacob Eason because all I see from you soon. Makes him a you know, viable quarterback process Prospect is the arm strength. And other than that, I don't see a whole lot. Yeah, it's a tough sell. I think if you're going to make the choice for Easter that goes something like this there's been a long layoff and so there's still a lot of development that he can do at the next level. I think if you look at what he did in the Washington offense usage glimpses of what he'd be asked to do a New England, right? Yeah, so deep drops off of play-action those moments when you've got the back turned to the defense off of play-action that sort of collapse the process and window that the quarterback has choice you look at some of the Reeds that he was asked to make between the hashmarks that guys like Herbert and others weren't asked to make and now he's not perfect on those but at least there's a body of work you can point you should say we can make this happen for him in the National Football League and certainly lucky brains an absolute Cannon to the offense like arm talent that is almost unparalleled in this class. I mean, yeah. Some poems. So yeah, there are some things that could work in New England the problem is The sort of lack of understanding for Escape Routes is Plan B always seems to be I'm going to bail the pocket to the left which almost seems to be a fundamental breakdown in the thought process because he's a write off so why is he always sort of rolling out to his left to create time and space that never seems to make sense to me. There's a situational awareness issues. There are situational awareness issue at times both in terms of reading coverages really leverages and even just knowing the down and distance like their game against Cal they had a you know, they were down by trying to think late in the game. He scrambles again forced himself to his left and rather than throw it away like he slides down for a loss. It's like you made the field goal like that much tougher for your kicker whom managed to get it because I just throw the ball away just like it's football wanna one and so I think you'd be a tough sell and new one was war room come draft night. Like if he's staring them in the face wage. Get one of their complex and the third round. Yeah, sure but for where he's probably going to go in the draft, I think he's a tough sell. Yeah, I I look at him and I love the arm like everybody does but then I'll watch and it seems like he stares down receivers sometimes and like it's just you can't get away with that in the NFL like you might be able to get away with that sometimes in college because your arm is so strong what the coverage is going to be better in the NFL and I just I don't see him as sort of like a cerebral quarterback and I think you need to be especially if you plan for New England, so he's not really somebody who I thought would really celebrate if they took, you know, even if it was later you'd have to be a situation where like, okay, we're here at ninety-eight or something. Yeah. Okay, fine. We'll take a battle take a flyer on the arm talent and you know, we'll sit up and place we want us to play them right away. So maybe we can mold something sort of that like Ryan Mallett. I pick the right now I pick is the one I thought Peace and also makes so much sense but scares me because I think that they they might you know fall in love with it all over again, but the cell for me is what you said Mark is is the Reeds between the hashes right the play-action drop off, you know, he's got the arms. They go on a five or seven step drop and then throw it downfield. I showed One play on Twitter my very first clip in my thread with the Eastern was just the play that the Patriots called Charles Barkley actually, which is the backside guard pole with the over route from the tight end coming up action. It's it was right there for you on Washington's tape over and over again a nice and just you know finding that read off the ball on accurately on time the whole thing. So you can see Patriot like things in the Washington offense that he's in is doing but just talking to fans of that Washington team or or people that age or closer to it than me. Everybody comes back to the poison the pocket in the footwork and how he just kind of breaks down and craters a lot like what you hear about people talking about Herbert in the same sense home. Last year where when he gets pressured and when he gets you know flustered in the pocket There's No, Escape Route. There's no plan B in the feet. Just kind of get all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's exactly right. No, you're right in the sense of look you can see Patriots concept right that bootleg. Over route to 100 Bryant like you've sort of got a bit of a Gronkowski feel to that design in their office, but then there's so much else that you know that he'll have to do that's not going to be there right like the route conversions of all the stuff that's part of the Patriots quarterbacks playing from a mental perspective. It's going to be in progress. And yeah, I mean does some parts but not enough to really sort of make me want to go all in on there. I'm a topic is the one that scares me see that one and make them a little bit of a history of just taking guys with with great arms, you know, not necessarily that polished but they just they have a little bit of a history of that especially in the middle rounds. All right, let's go on the completely off. Did side of the spectrum and talk about Jalen hurts because this would be all sorts of fun. Right? We would see it from a fun perspective and an entertainment perspective. But is it realistic because to me, I think that you have to completely reinvent the wheel to bring this guy in and have him be your starter from what they've been doing with the last twenty years with Brady. Yeah. I mean, I I think these two things could be true. Janet Hertz has an effect on future in front of him, but he can be a starting quarterback in this league. And with the way the game is trending all offensively you can see that path in front of them, but I don't think it's happening in new language. Like I think it hurts is a fit in a more vertical base system more than anything else. But you look at last year his time and from snap to throw is 3.08 seconds, which should be dead last in the NFL. I mean only you know, Kirk Cousins was closed 3.01 and that's because they do so much stuff off of play-action and slower development plays but a lot of it with Hertz was taking his time. He's very much assiette throwing Pastor. Like there's not a lot of evidence. We're all he's anticipated Miss thrower. He's anticipating that road and we know that anticipation is a critical component what the Patriots do offensive because it's got some West Coast elements to it where you want to get yardage after the catch the way to do that is to get the ball out on time and Rhythm and that's not Hertz this game. Now, we do know that look Belichick has been rumored to want an athletic quarterback. You know, he sees what we all see the way the game is Trend in the ability to you know, minimize deficiencies and protection and you know, keep defenses honest with the quarterback selects. You'd love to have that component, but I think you can get that without Jalen hurts. I do think I guess that there's an NFL home for him, but I just don't see it happening here in the way that as much as it would be fun to watch. I would love to cover Jalen off. Of course. I really like what Lincoln Riley did with them. They it was a real Improvement. I mean then over what they had them doing Alabama, they they were like listen this guy khong And we're going to use his legs. Yeah, so, you know, I think if you're an NFL team that's committed to you know, Jalen hurts as a starter. You gotta put those run plays in there at least some of them cuz he's good enough to do that. There's some guys who are good runners in college, but once they get to the NFL, you don't want them running at all. But Jalen hurts is not that I think Jalen hurts is good enough to be a affect runner in the NFL now. Will it be he won't be a little more Jackson or anything, right? Nobody's large accent. But but I think you know, but see and that's just what I don't see the Patriots really doing like as long as you have stood him on the roster. Why you going to put all these running plays in so I think he's you know, he fits in in some ways. You know, I think the one thing I don't like too much about Hertz. Is there a lot of times in his film where I don't know if it was if it was designed this way, but he would drop back and look and then before long You know going to the next read or something, he'd sort of dropped his eyes and go and I don't know how much is that was was which, you know, you guys have a lot of that was it's interested at a lot of people give him credit for his ability to keep his eyes downfield and scrambled real situations. And I think he does do that. But I think that's his third step in the process. Yeah, I think for more jobs more often than not his first read if it's not there his plan b or his second step is I'm going to look to create my legs and potentially run and there are some times when he does that he drops the eyes and took a wait. I'm not going to be able to run my way out of this then he'll bring the eyes back up and look for something down field and maybe make something happen in this crime Patrol situation, but that gets you to the 3.8 seconds in terms of times of snapped off and also you're not going to have that kind of space in the NFL to go through that three-step process because once you drop your eyes, they're not coming back up cuz you're going to be running for your life cuz you've got off. Von Miller's and the Khalil Mack's well now chasing you down as opposed to all the space. You're playing with the Big Twelve where you're playing against three men tight fronts of times where they're dropping 8 on you. You're not going home that on some days, you know. Yeah, there is one play. I think it was on his Texas Tech game where he's got a Post Corner out and the receiver just burns the safety in the middle of the field and he takes off running because she got pressured in the pocket instead of stepping up from the pressure and just resetting and through making the throw for a touchdown. He decided to take off now he ends up breaking like four tackles and it's just right Light Rail run and not great. But when you watch it from The End Zone angle, you can see okay, that's an open throw that he just passes on and too often. I see that you know, the Texas Tech game was listed on the draft networks page as his best game, right? They have the best game worst game. That was his best game and I was really looking forward to watching it cuz I thought I was going to fall in love with him from it. And what I came away with is he just misses too many off. Receivers too often because he doesn't either reload after he moves around in the pocket or he doesn't see the anticipatory Windows going down field and the name that I can't get out of my head him is Tyrod Taylor like I'm just concerned. There's too much Tyrod Taylor in him and not enough Lamar Jackson right not enough like we're going to take the tight window throws and we're going to make that put those plays down the field where herds needs to see the guy open and luckily for him. He played for Lincoln Riley in a wide-open system that had a guy schemed open or you had CD lamb running down the road. So never the Caribbean it's all well and good when those are the players that you're working with but in the NFL, I'm just concerned that this year throw an element is going to be a detriment and we're going to hear a lot in 45 years about a great but he just doesn't want to pull the trigger on throws that are NFL open and that's a big thing with Hertz and that's Tyrod Taylor to a team like that's exactly who he is as a quarterback and I think that off. It'll best case scenario, you know absolute perfect developmental spot in coaching fit and everything. He could be Dak but that's an option at home run like everything goes well, I think more likely you're getting Tyrod Taylor which might be that guy that yeah, you know, he can give you a bridge year or maybe if you're the Chargers this year you can talk yourself into them. But at the end you're going to be off the rookie like the the Browns did with Baker earlier than you thought. So yeah, there was another play with him where he had a running back wide open on the wheel route and the corner on the left side of the boundary just the coverage. He thought it was mad and it was actually zone. So you see the corner streaking across with the drag route and there's nobody in that zone. I'm like, this is an easy read write like this is a coverage bust the guys wide open and hurts just doesn't see it and you just ends up throwing an incomplete or something like that and I see too much of that on his tape and I know I had a lot of Oklahoma fans in my mentions getting on my case about how nobody talks about Other quarterbacks mrs. As much as we talk about hurts as mrs. Which maybe might be the case but these are NFL throws that we have to see and we have to have him take my my best buddies of this business price for or said more Sports info Solutions the alcohol by Homer he was all in my GM's about Baker like years ago. He was in my DMs last year about Kyler, you know in the group chat about all Kyler's life, you know, whatever you keep you want not a peep from him about Jalen hurts behind on top of the draft board. So I think that tells you more than a side know not to go on a long rant here, but Dak Prescott is seriously underrated. I'm glad that you brought up deck as like the ceiling hurt because people here that probably and are like, oh, that's all you're going to get. But Jack is a really good quarterback is a very good quarterback. He's a very good NFL quarterback into his credit, you know, he was somebody that people looked at and thought yeah, I'm not sure sure with them, right, you know for me. I think I had have just a dog. Christian Hackenberg and that draft class he was like 15 from me about year, and it was all about ball placement. Right? All the ball placement isn't their accuracy isn't there the ball placement is it where it needs to be he worked at home like, you know our mutual friend Taylor Kyle's and I hadn't responded to it yet. But he had to put a sweet out today about give me an example of a quarterback who's ball placement was bad whose accuracy was bad, but it got better in the NFL. Your answer to that. Is it perfect know is it improved over where it wasn't Mississippi State? Absolutely. I mean, I remember the Thursday at the Senior Bowl sitting in the stands watching him throw in like 5 or a Red Zone stuff and he was missing routes. He was missing routes on air and I'm looking at Charles MacDonald and Matt wall and I was just like no it's just never going to happen for this kid. And here we are. He's worth the contract to get. Yeah, it is kind of funny to like how often like guys don't change at all from what they were drafted as but it off More and more I do this I was saying this I forget where it was on a show recently, but I was just like these guys are who they are, right? Yeah, like Mitchell trubisky is the same call back now and he was at UNC Jameis Winston is the same quarterback now that he was at Florida State like these guys just are who they are for some you can see some development but those are the wrong guys like the competitively tough guys that aren't going to take like failure as an option to Tom Brady's and I'd say the Dak Prescott's of the world that are going to will themselves to be better than they were in college for the vast majority of these guys. They're almost finished products. You know, I think that that's that's the binders on for Patriots fans, right? Is that every Patriots fan? It's like well, he's at in college, but remember Tom Brady, he was a sixth-round pick and it's like there is only one Tom Brady work ethic and stuff. That doesn't come around every single one guy. That's so driven and fanatical about being pick one dog. Neither he names his Film Production Company 199 Productions. Like the absolute Insanity of Tom Brady is what made him who he is today. Like I don't think it was the pistachio ice cream or the place or anything like that. It was the fact that he's driven to prove like whether you believe that it's he's driven to prove those that give give him a shot right or whether he's really driven to prove those have doubted Imran. Either way. That's what made a fool. Yes. Not everybody's built like that. Right? I think there's a little bit of both there and it's interesting cuz the Jarrett Stidham conversations obviously a lengthy one, but instead of in college what life is good, then he was bad then and then he was good again at last year for the Patriots. So that one is I mean like his accuracy in 2019 was obviously terrible his poison the pocket in 2019 was all the plural for a lot of people but at the same time in 2018, it was the total opposite. So I think that it's just kind of tough. You mentioned Taylor's tween. I think that's where it came from was that the accuracy for cinnamon College wasn't correct. But the Patriots have really credit him instead of a lot for his accuracy and his downfield ball placement since they drafted him and since they got him in their system. Yeah. No, I think that's right. And you know, we have to pack members that you have to scout the trades not the scheme right like that Baylor offense that Auburn offense like those were just not fit for him whatsoever. You know home office is so optional oriented dotted the route conversion sense, but in the you're doing Gus Malzahn, like running the read-option and pressing the line of scrimmage and then throw into the bubble at the last second thoughts can't like that's not Jarrett Stidham. I mean, I remember when I talked to what the Senior Bowl was like he was in Kyle Shanahan's offense that week and asked his favorite route to run. He just laughed and said all of them, it's like yeah, I get it because you've been coming from too bad systems and now you're finally in a pro-style offense. So I I think you have to sort of keep that in mind when looking at what he did in college and that he was missing off. Asked him to different offenses. That weren't the best fit for him. Why he chose to go to Auburn as a transfer? I don't understand. Maybe he just thought look I'm going to get a chance to play in the SEC now and go up against Alabama the Iron Bowl. Maybe that was it but those weren't good for its form. Like I think this is more fit for him and that will get to see who he really is as a quarterback at the same time. We got Jim Nagy and those guys telling us that he was a first-round talent and I just don't know if he was like that but man, I mean that guy he goes to bat for those people that go to the Senior Bowl like he's doing it now what he's just basically saying not a big for offensive tackle group. It's a big fight with Josh Jones like, you know, he he's doing that. I forget who made him lose his mind who was at Jordan's love it was a Geordie love to eat that came out today and he's saying if some Scouts said that they want to pick Jordan love that he'd never use that person as a source or a reference again, like now he goes to bat for his Senior Bowl participants and good for him. I mean, that's how you get guys to buy a home. Go down to you know, the Alabama Gulf Coast in January where everybody wants to be at that time of year. I'm sure absolutely let's get back to some of these guys though. And I think that that's a good segue in terms of them are who they are with Jake from is he he is yeah or is there any Improvement there? And you know, I think that when he is is a decent facilitator. I guess we can call the guy that can get the ball out on time and Rhythm and make the throws and if you give him an offense that has great Playmakers around him, then he can kind of at least make sure that the thing doesn't sync off-guard. He's like you said on timing Rhythm Heaven like they were like a handful of offenses where I thought you could walk into that locker room and either not just be a high-end back up but be a starter in week one and I would say one of those would have been Chicago before the Nick Foles trade like I look at that Matt Nagy sort of West Coast offense from the better quarterback for that offense than Mitchell trubisky is wrong. I think you can look at it, you know places that don't need a quarterback but offenses like what Philadelphia is doing or what we expect the Raiders to look like again with another West Coast quarterback. Yeah prom could work their way. You can look at Indianapolis. You can look at Tennessee. You could just look at New England and say for the most part you can run this offense. Now the question with him becomes is he's sort of prototypical high fives or low season Prospect like it's going to get him drafted teams are going to love them risk-averse general manager is going to let the fact that he's not going to make you look stupid but he pretty much is who he is. The one could have you out of that Matt Waldman is Ricky's got a portfolio brought this up you had a conversation with JT O'Sullivan about Jake Fromm. And this is something that one that told me about it right when the RSP dropped. I went back and looked at it and checked it out. And there are there is evidence. If you look at yours is offense. There were a lot of three step drop Concepts that they were using five men five step drops off. For him which means that it almost made his arm look worse as a result because when you're right of three step drop concept, but you take it to extra steps. It's not tougher of a throw off. Now, I'm not saying that suddenly Jake Fromm has an nfl-caliber army doesn't but it's just I think you have to sort of keep that in mind when viewing him. I I think that he's your boss long-term backup spot starter Tycoon. The right system can be an NFL starting quarterback that's going to be like you said a facilitator. He's not going to win games for you, but he's not going to lose games for you either. But he's that guy that can be like the Kirk Cousins type that you know, you wouldn't games with and build an offense around and he's not going to make anybody look awful unless you give him sixty million guaranteed. Yeah. Am I from is this year the quarterback? That won't go in the first round that I think the Patriots should go after because I just I just thought Like how are you sort of controls the game he sort of like and he's been in so many big games Georgia and played. Well, you know against good defenses. You know, I think like look you just he's not somebody who's got the armors just going to be like a vertical threat, you know, but like in the Patriots offense if he's sitting back there with shortening of media throws and again, like his favorite throw is the, you know, sort of the back shoulder throw. Yep to the silent. He's very good at that. He's very good at that. He he he Sauce better than some NFL quarterbacks right now. And I don't I think he's a good processor. I think you know, I don't think that the game is ever too complex or too big for him off. Yeah, I think you know at this now he's he's somebody who at this time last year. Everybody was talking about as a first-round pick and he didn't have a good dog. You know season but I mean, I don't think it was so bad that had take a drop this far and and I get that he's not physically what Jacob Eason is, but he beat Jacob doubt. You know, when when he was a Georgia he beat out Justin Fields when Justin Fields was Georgia. I mean, he's got some guys in his wake who are going to be first round on a text. So, you know, I don't know like if you look at I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who brought out those like old Belichick's just bring that up. I was actually just looking for the Tweet to I can find it. If you want me to just go through that check list of stuff. They value quarterback position and tell me that's not Jake Fromm. I know as soon as I read it, so the three keys to Belichick baton of course is back in 1991. So who knows how much it really holds but some of it did hold just based off of you know, looking through what he's done wrong. Didn't making accuracy and throwing mechanics are the three big checkmarks. And those are all from checkmarks. Also go to the fact that he has three seasons with 46 career started in the SEC playing in the college football playoff playing against Alabama and LSU and all these big schools. And if you look at the Patriots a recent draft history the two pics from Georgia to pick even nikhil Harry they claim, you know, the power 5 conference was a big deal and that one as well. They have taken big game players that have played in big spotlights and know how to handle the pressure and are just decision-making accuracy type quarterbacks. And that's exactly what Jake Fromm is. So as much as I don't love the arm strength, I don't love some of the things that he does Under Pressure like he's a guy that he cannot move off his spot. And if and if there's pressure around him, he's going down, you know, there's no Off Script creation. There's no, you know kind of playground playing at all that none of them. And happened with him, but this just the resume is a Patriots resume and you look at that you can say that you can get them with one of those comp picks maybe at the end of the third round and again similar to sit him. He had a much better early part of his college career worse late part of the career. I think that they kind of looked at that was Stidham and they said we're going to get the guy from Baylor after the first year at Auburn not the guy from last year and I wouldn't be surprised if they look at Jake Fromm going and bringing Georgia the national championship game and almost winning the thing against Alabama and say that's the guy that we're going to get out of him know. I think that's exactly right. Like if they pass on Jake Fromm with all those third-round picks, I will be stunned. I will be absolutely awful. I mean unless they have already a drafted a quarterback. Like if somebody Falls from like 23 or whatever, but if they have an address quarterback and they just say no. No, thanks with all those pics and third I will be floored because he just wage. Screams Patriot to me like the accuracy the decision-making like the stuff that they value at the position that we know like, you know Belichick there was 91 or 2001 or 2011. I think you still values that stuff. The one thing that might give me some pause is the hand size and I know that sounds silly off and the first people to make fun of hand size Twitter but some dining experience. It's an issue for December and Foxboro. Like it just is like and you look at okay been playing and the SEC not a ton of weather games, but you throw on that Kentucky game that was in a monsoon. He couldn't throw the ball like so that there is one of those instances where you know, when I talk about hands as I use the example from last year Brett Rypien and Drew walked both of whom had not his hands while you put on their film and with lock he's thrown in whether there are there are a ton of fumbles in dog. Market you put on ripping. He can't throw in snow fumbles in the park yet. There are times when it matters and I think that Kentucky Governors is an example of somebody that with smaller hands it does factor into the equation. So maybe if they do look at that that might be the one thing they might say. Yeah, I don't know about that. Otherwise, I think he's a patriot the weird part about it is is that from is in my mind at least really good at the ball handling thing. I you know, I think the ball off and play-action Jet sweeps all that kind of stuff. What put Jake Fromm on everybody's radar what he was playing as a freshman it was that little ball flip at the pocket right truck back home of the ball and was like, oh my God, this is crazy. This is so cool. You don't get to do that. If you don't have ball skills. I mean, yeah it is. It is interesting that you know that it's a great point that you brought it up because it is we don't really account for the weather and for the elements as nearly as much as Bill Belichick does sometimes bad guy. It's all over it when it comes to that type of like birth. Swear to God I there are times when I I fancied myself a bit of a weather nerd like I'm looking at my bookmarks right now on my my Google Chrome and I've got all sorts of weather like sites and forums and stuff like that. I swear I'll go into the New England one before Patriots game and there's like a counselor. I'm like, that's Belichick right whether you go east cuz he's always with them meteorologist. He knows weather and wind direction and stuff. Yeah. I'm sure it matters because a game last year. I think it was the Giants Thursday night or where the forecast said. It was supposed to be like a monsoon. And the first thing that Belichick said in his postgame press conference was like something about the weather people being wrong about the rain was about it because all they're all wearing all sorts of types of cleats and gloves and they're all prepared. The whole equipment staffs got the whole team prepared to play in a monsoon and then it doesn't rain and he was he was scobby about it. He would not happy at the weather people. I mean, I'll be the guy that song We stress is situational awareness. He knows what the weather supposed to be and get you ready for that. So I'm sure the idea of a sub 9-inch quarterback some nine inch hands is factored into his thinking. Yeah the combine I talked to from for a little bit and the one thing that he did say was that he had full control of the offense at the line of scrimmage, you know, setting protections making checks out freshman. Yeah, so that all that kind of cerebral in this I think is going to make him really intriguing but I do do the hand size of something I didn't think about the we all should. All right. Let's get to some of these day three guys before we get out of here without any Gordon from Washington State somebody that we wanted to talk about. We know my cleats will pound the table for him until he's blue in the face, but I really liked him too. And I thought that he was one of the better pastures I saw at 3 a.m. Between the numbers and anticipating Windows over the middle. Yeah, very good at that. I mean, he's somebody that you know, when I first watched him earlier this year, I was getting ready to do a show like in the, New Jersey. Days without Matt Wallin and I was like, look, I'm going to have a ridiculous column for him. I'm not going to tell you what it is, but I'm going to do it on air and just get your live reaction and it was Mahomes and it's not he's Patrick Mahomes. It's just you watch him, right we're getting to that time in our lives where the guys that grew up watching. The Montana's like Brady and stuff. They're all cycle and you know the back of their career we've got in the league now the guys that grew up watching Brett Favre right like Mahomes and that that's who they're watching. But if you're a college kid, who are you watching you're watching the homes and you see evidence of Gordon trying to be Patrick Mahomes. Now, the execution isn't there. Let's just say that I've got a tweet out there where he tries a no-look throw with a wide receiver on like why cross in the middle of the field and there's no reason to know look this but he does it anyway and he misses it by like 6 yards like it doesn't even come close to being completed, but he's modeling his game. For Patrick Mahomes. And so when I brought that up in the air to Walden, he's like yeah, it's not the same thing and what's interesting with him is, you know, the adjustment to arm angles like the ability to drop the arm slot off and it was Derek Larson at the combine that asked him about it. And he said look, I was a baseball player. I was a middle infielder until like I started playing football and you know later in junior high and high school and so I'm used to throwing off a platform any arm angle just get the ball out turn into that's something that he can do. I love like you said, you know his ability to throw between the numbers, you know, throw between the hashmarks read the middle of the month old attack leverage get a thrill against I think Northern Colorado or something where once you saw the Mike linebacker turn his back he knew he had the slant routing through it, you know, the receiver open for a touchdown and you talked to him off the offense. It's like you told me at the combine for five progression reads on every single play. I asked him if you ever play talks about why cross he's like look every snap. I'm going go to cross to khong. To dig for receivers other guys aren't doing that. I'm doing that. I love to read it and throwing it but he can do a lot of the mental stuff the released like Avenue and I were talking about the release is perfect like mechanics and stuff it snappy. There's a lot to like about him. I mean there there's heaven and there's another quarterback on day three actually made two other quarterbacks. Well, maybe three other quarterbacks on day three that I love to see New England take a look at and took his definitely one of them's I was curious now. I I like I like I did see a couple interceptions that made me scratch my head. I think it was it against Oregon page where it was like there was nobody else around but the defensive back and and I've seen a couple of words to look like he didn't see the defender too. Well, but like I was always wondering like How much does Gardner Minshew success helped him because you know cuz he's a leash quarterback and sometimes they didn't always get the same respect. Yeah, I think the gardener thing, you know, would you like I spent most of his Podium session like at his Podium at the combine and the amount of times he was asked questions about Gardner like everybody thinks he's Gardner Minshew and the gardener meant usage has enabled people to think. Oh, well, maybe guys like him can play in the NFL. They're two completely different quarterbacks. Like they've ran the same offense, but they didn't completely different ways. Like one of the things I loved about Gardner was as she's making those found five progression reach has feet are moving in Rhythm. Like he's always ready to throw like the feet are moving fluidly under him. So he's if he's going to start to read on the left. He comes all the way to the right. He's ready to go Thornton. Does it move his feet at all? Like he's an absolute statue. So there are times when he's making this ridiculous off platform throws, but they don't need to be off platform. It's just he hasn't moved to street. They're they're different quarterbacks, but I am Like that, the the leash system success for Gardner has opened the door for him, which is why next year watched KJ Costello man, like transfer down to Mississippi State to play for leetch. He might play himself into like first round contention at the right. This is going with how people are viewing Gardener now Anthony Gordon. I thought it was pretty crazy the standing in the pocket for Gordon and how all the world just freezes and I just I remember Josh Allen doing that at times Wyoming that was something that he struggled with sometimes but I haven't seen a lot of quarterbacks that literally to stand like a mannequin right in the middle of the pocket and don't move their feet and all of a sudden you see it just gets rid of it in a different angle and you're just like, what are you doing? Like what I first turned his film on I it took me the longest time to figure out what it was was like one play like there was a first play of the game or something like that where he does it in one of the games that I watched and has yep. This is the guy that everybody is like I picked up like what are we talking about weird, but it weirdly works and it's one of those things like I know he's working with sage rosenfels like get the footwork better off. You see like maybe there's developmental growth potential here. But yeah, it's it's odd. It's very often. But then again there was another sequence of plays the same Drive where it's you know, darts to the edge of the field and then anticipatory deep ball for a touchdown, you know, and that's those are the types of kind of sequences that you do see from him. I love the release too and that release allows him to make throws on the move and make throws off for me to snaps it right out of it. But the other the other people's habits. Yeah, you just go one year as a starter but it's going to hell of a lot of game reps. I mean like seventy times a day right lot of practice that he's got a lot of things that the Patriots might look for. I don't know how much of like the air raid adjustments and all that kind of stuff would factor into their evaluation. I don't think a lot cuz I dropped in Statham in a briefing Systems, right really really doesn't make that much of a difference. I don't think but the release point the quick-release keeping the offense on time throwing between the numbers there's a lot to like they're from a page standpoint. And I think that the only kind of knock that I would have on him is that he just does some weird stuff. You just does some head-scratching things and sometimes the mistakes do kind of odd ball on him a little bit where he throws one earlier deception or he misses one early throw and then all of a sudden he's making more mistakes as the game kind of roles on so maybe the bounce back, you know kind of thing with him is a little bit of a question mark. All right, that's 52 minutes and Counting of great quarterback top there. There's one quarterback. I just wanted to quickly throw at you, which is James Morgan. Yeah. International the Patriots have showed a ton of interested in for whatever reason Skype calls. I think they met with him at one of the you know, senior bowls trying games something like that. Yeah, and you know, they they've Ton of interest in the kid. Yeah, and I can see why like it's a situation where if you don't like Jordan love enough to draft him in the first round, even if he's there twenty-three, but you like someone what he showed on film you'll like James Morgan in the sixth round. Like he's got the big arm. He's got the athleticism got some head-scratching decisions and you look at last year like a 58% completion percentage not the completion percentage is not be on the end-all but it's not great. Some of the ball placement wasn't what you'd like to see but there are still some moments where you like this can work in the NFL like there's more much more. He'll go through a reader too and gets the third read and throw an absolute rope and you're just like I get it there are other moments when you're like, I don't understand if he's ever played the game or not. And so it's an up-and-down thing. But if your thought process as New England is as follows, we're going to go all in on Saddam this year and see what we have and if it's bad maybe we'll be at the top of the draft more next year to get a guide dog. So we don't need to go early but we might want to get somebody in to at least take a look at and evaluate throughout camp and into the preseason. Then you're looking at a guy like James Morgan. He has a lot of the things that they like the big arm the like you said the ride valid type draft pick. Well, this is it just in the sixth round, right? Yeah. That's a great comparison. Yeah, and the only thing I don't like about it really is he uses that way fastball for everything you mean five feet away from I can't use the nuke laloosh comparison again, so we have to use it for Josh Allen. Yeah wage. I mean everything, you know, everything requires two fastballs and every problem is a nail and he's got the big old Hammer. It's great. It's wild I never thought the Patriots would consider a call back like that where everything is just a dart and there's no touch there's no kind of anything. But at the same time if you're going to pick a quarterback in the sixth round them. At least let him have the arm talent to I mean like like a lot of people thought like maybe like a mate Stanley or somebody like a jake looking from Oregon State. Those guys are nice wage has the big old arm, like if you get a better on a train working at the NFL like you're going to bed on on a week type train and arm strength is a pretty good one to place a bet on yeah. I know PFF likes James Morgan bit for those big time throws, you know guy that just drop some dimes out there and he had a lot of drops by his receivers also a couple of games that I watched if his receivers are dropping passes left and right. So that's a big part of any jobs for calling McDonald's or I absolutely I I like Tyler Huntley. I'd like I did my Top Eleven quarterbacks just in a vacuum and Tyler Huntley was quarterback 11 for me a call. My daughter was just a couple of notches above him. I adore Cole McDonald. I I compare them to Maverick from Top Gun. That was my car. Just look he's going to do it his own way and sometimes he's going to fly a plane into a job. Out in like a throne for pics and getting benched against Arizona by favorite combat story of all guys. I spent I was there for his entire Podium session at Indy and I wanted to ask my ass ton of questions. But his bowl game against BYU. He reads a comeback Drive in the closing minutes to win the game and he has a third and one with like Fifty seconds left and he's got across and Route just passed the first-down marker that is wide open. It is uncovered and I'm thinking look you take that stop the clock after the 1st down regroup huddle up move the chains whatever and he throws a whole shot volt route along the left sideline in between the corner and the safety against the cover to look and he drills it in there for a huge play and get some down to the Red Zone and I'm like, okay, this is incredible, but I have to ask him why he did this. So I asked him. It's like look man, we're counter based offense. Okay, if you're giving me that whole shot. I don't care if it's third-and-one forth and lawn early in the game fourth-quarter closing seconds. I'm throwing it. I'm going to do a job. I just like mad that's just fantastic. I'm so glad I got that on tape like fantastic to talk to you. He even answered the question about the dreads cuz he had a huge stretch coming out Trevor sick of of the draft network box was asked him about it. I tweeted this out as well the entire answer but the long story short. He's like look, I didn't want NFL teams think of the wrong thing about me the way I view it hair grows back opportunity doesn't ring true that his head said these kids will be fun to cover. We could use a good quote in the Patriots locker room, you know, just I just dropped some hilarious quotes. That would be fantastic. Yeah, let's not forget that he played with what can only be described as a lower-body injury and I tweeted this outage the summer he had like a torn muscle in the groin area. So the blood swelled into one of his testicles swelled up to the size of a grapefruit as I'm Tom Brady this wage. There are some similarities there rounds that is exactly why we had mark scolese on the podcast today was talk about Tom Brady's nuts. It took us an hour in but we finally got mark this is always so much fun. We could probably talk about this quarterback class another hour, but I don't want to keep you too long. We really appreciate you coming on those or anything that you wanted to use or you know to tell people where they can follow you because obviously they're going to want more knowledge and after this, yeah, if you want more knowledge on top of these nuts, I guess you could actually filled look over touch that wire. I'm dropping the top interior offensive linemen this weekend interior defense of land and they've got me watching guys in the trenches God. I love I read come on. What else would you want right now? I love it follow up on Twitter. I'm actual field lots of total gifts and peaky blinders gifts and all sorts of good stuff Jonah Jackson by the way that song. Your guy you gotta watch from st. Louise number one Joe Jackson number to those guys. I like Jimmy and Lois from LSU a lot. He's up there to who else was off Nick Harris the Washington Center. Yeah. He's a center only guy though, right? That's just our only guy looking something guys, like for the Patriots. I they like the Box ability, you know, they like the Ted Karras type that can play three different spots and you know, unless you're going to be a star for them and they at the position like I wasted like could get the LSU kid, cuz he's played a little bit of both. I also like that Robert hunt guy, but he was more attacked our guy but why I greeted them as a guard, I think he's good choice with a bit of a Mean Streak never somebody else would I loved? Oh, it was a multi the Fresno State kid. I like that too. Yeah, there's some interior guys this year. There's a good interior class. He is and the Patriots don't have immediate need there cuz they have returning three starters on the interior. But with David Andrews is blood clots thing and Joe tinney on the franchise tag, you know, there's future need their wage. That's a good interior online class Adam anything going on. I know we're both just kind of in holding patterns right now. Yeah, I'm kind of in holding patterns just draft this draft that you know a little bit of little bit of everything every position you can think of so well, we'll be on that more. I love it and on see on this media. Make sure to go check out all my position previews that are up now. I did linebackers today, a lot of good for not putting Zach Bond as a linebacker even though he's an edge Defender getting Schafer Curtis Weaver on Twitter, but go ahead and check out the the previews. I got safety's I think I got 9,000 safety previews, you know guys previewed in that one tomorrow cuz that's a meaty one for the Patriots and a lot of good day to safety options. I would say maybe not a stud, you know, Jamal Adams type in this class, but yep. Really good depth to this class and then Adam and I will be back next week. We got another big hitter coming on with us, it's Brad Kelly. He's going to come on and break down wide receivers with us, which is obviously we saved the two best positions for last quarterback and wide receiver. So we'll be on the podcast with that next week. But until then signing off for a detention. I'm having bizarre. Thanks again, George St. Marks Place for coming on and thanks to New Berlin and you can pull off off.

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