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249: Better Than Nothing, With Special Guest John Moltz

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249: Better Than Nothing, With Special Guest John Moltz

"You've been away for a bit. I've been away and an impeding. And I spent the whole time talking just about the media event and gear more Rambo at nine to five MAC uncovered. Sixty seven things that are going to be announced WWE, see. Yeah. We could save that for later. I guess okay. Okay. I don't know. I think we have I should have made notes. That's cairn asked me what I was going to be talking about saying, I said, I don't know. He usually sends me notes fifteen minutes before we start. I don't even have that. I do I actually do have a note. But it has no news in it has a bit of follow up. I think it was Paul and I were on. Yeah. I'm doing follow up. John. Do they do that? I yeah. Yeah. You gotta get that out of the way. Yeah. Some people just tune in for the follow up, and then he turn off the episode, right? Because then they'll just hear the corrections for the rest of the in a future episode upfront, right? Right. But I think it was the episode that Paul was on Polk fastest couple of weeks ago. And we were talking about air pods to and. The fact that you know, two years if you're been wearing your air pods regularly for two years your battery for me, they're not unusable. It's just noticed we worse for Amy. It's a little worse. Hers hers because she uses them even more. She really I mean, you know, probably yourself hearing damage. Just how but she always wear headphones a lot. That or listening to you? So. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Honestly, I wonder if she even is listening to anything. I'll say. Until she didn't get him until September. But they've hardly left her ears since we. But we mentioned this kind of stinks that the problem with them, isn't that they're broken. It is that the little tiny batteries that power them wear out after two years. It doesn't that feel like shame. You know that for want of a battery you're throwing out a device, and it really historically like back in the day when you and I were kids and through the ninety s you know, battery operated devices had batteries that came in and out, and you know, the idea that having a throat my calculator because the batteries dead his. Yeah. Silly. But that's where we are. But it turns out there is this is my correction few people wrote in with this. I did not know, but Jonathan Goldensohn I believe was first of thanks to him. But everybody who wrote a couple people wrote apple has the support page. I will put it in in the note, but you can get air pod service and repair. Yeah. But it's kind of expensive, right? So. Battery services forty nine dollars each, but I believe and then it says out of warranty fee, sixty nine dollars each and then lost his sixty nine dollars. Charging case forty nine dollars for battery service out of warranty fee, fifty nine I'm not sure if the out of warranty is for battery service or out of warranty battery service or what? But anyway, the it is very close to the price of replacing them in the fact that lost the one if you lose it or you get the battery replace it's not that big a difference. But it looks like you can get the batteries replaced for forty-nine each two hundred bucks. So you would be saving, you know, a third of the price of new set almost third of the price of a new set of air pod. Right. I wonder they I can't imagine. They're actually replacing the batteries because didn't I fix it? Take those thing things apart and find that it's mostly glue in there. Yeah. I thought so too. It doesn't you know, I figured there. Just I figured that. Just walk out a pair. But are they actually do they Reese, you know, reuse the things I don't know. Yeah. Seems a little you know, again, that's a little gross to think that there. No matter how well they clean it. You know, what I mean like reservist phone east clean? It you touch it at five. Yeah. Refurbish steer pods. No. I don't want you. I don't. I don't want it. I don't care. How thoroughly cleaned up. So I don't know. But there it is you can do it. Doesn't really, you know, I don't blame you once. I got the new ones too. Well, actually, I did buy them yet. Amy bought hers enjoys them. I still have the view ones that apple sent me. I have to say, I think some of the initial reaction. This is one of the things I wanted to talk about some of the initial reaction to air pods to to me is getting apple all wrong. There's I've seen a couple of YouTube reviews that were sort of like this is it these look exactly the same in the at work. Exactly the same. What how is this new and? My reaction to that is well, they didn't it's not like they got up on stage and had a big show about the new air pods. They don't even call them air pod to you know, they just lace the old air pods with new era pods and in my experience, so far they work a lot better. And I like the old ones worked really well. So like Jimmy that apple at its best. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to say, but the hey dingus thing, I think is actually made me start using Syria. Lot more they'll end the latency overall of all of the things that had some degree of latency. Like when you first put them in your ear and you hear that that tone? That says, hey, I got you. You know? I mean your ear. It seems like that happens, much sooner. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I used to have to use to I had developed this tick where I would open the case and wait a three count and then pull them out and put them in. And I found that always that worked well because occasionally I would open the case put one in quickly put the second one in the second one would Bong in the right? One would not be the first one would not be connected. Right. And so the way I worked around that was opened the case one two three put I went in. And then the second one which is kind of dumb, but it worked every time. And now I'm trying to untrained myself from that. I'm having more difficulty than expected because they don't need to do it anymore because they're they're fast. Yeah. The dingus experience is exactly as promised just say it. Yeah. And it happens and she answers the first time. I did it. I was shocked. There's no there's no tone. Right. It doesn't it doesn't. It doesn't give you that tone that it does on the phone, and I. It just did what I wanted. And I was like. Wow. Was that an accident? It's did I miss something. Is that the way it's supposed to work? And that is the way it's supposed to work. The only thing. I I still have. I'm still very uncomfortable. Seeing you know talking to it in public. Yep. Me to sell like, I go out for a walk or run or something like that. And I always look around make sure there's nobody around me before I tell it to do something, right? Like, so I I do like an idiot that am I often do a lot of grocery shopping just like three items at a time, you know, 'cause occurs that I would I would like a ham sandwich. And I will just go to a nice little market. We have a few blocks away as good a talion bread and good lunch meat and pick up like two three things, you know, listening to a podcast. And then I always take my ipod doubt. I've said this before I think most people I think people should consider this. I like to take them out or at least take one out at the register. So that the. Don't just stop your audio. Take it to let them know. Hey, I'm not listening. I'm not. So so inconsiderate that I'm listening to music or podcast why it should be having a little retail exchange here. But that means every time I leave the store I've got to put it back in and often will want to give direction to the dingus. You know, for what I what I want to be listening to and that store entrance is always busy. And I can't bring myself to do it like and every single time. I think I should just get over this. I really should. But I I can't. Yeah. I will. And I wonder if that's a generational thing. Or if that's I don't know. I don't I see tons of people wearing them, you know, more and more every day. It is clearly one of not just a good product that I like, but also a very successful product. Like it's gotten to the point Amy. We were we were out to dinner with friends I signed in even said at one at this point. Sometimes she sees people with the wired lawns. And she's like what's wrong with you. Especially in winter like, and that's the other thing too. Like, we're it's April. Now, the weather. We've had a great month of weather here. Put me in a good mood because of it, but having gone through winter now, I realized that for years, I really stopped listening or largely stop listening to podcasts like while running errands in the winter because it was such a pain threading a cable, you know, where do you where do you put the thing? How do you do it wearing a winter coat and listening to headphones was terrible? Now, it's not a problem. Yeah. But the latency thing is super super impressive to me. It it just again, it wasn't like the old ones had badly and see they seemingly had the lowest latency of any wireless headphones. I'd ever tried and I'd try to few. But now it is almost it's gotten to the point where it's uncanny. Switching devices is also a lot more reliable like if you had impaired with your phone and now you wanna switch to your ipad. That doesn't seem sometimes that we'd just spin and spin and spin, and it was like you had to head to do it over again. Right, right. The only thing I can still have problems the only device still have problems with the MAC, I find that. I it will work if I've recently logged out of an out of the account and back again or rebooted in then I'm not sure what there's probably some audio thing that I'm doing that. It doesn't like. And then it it won't see the pods again. After that, whatever it is. It's podcasting. There's a. Couple of utilities. So there's Michel Cy has one. What's his air, buddy? Oh, yeah. I did hear about that. I'm not sure if that fixes that problem. No air buddy is the one from speaking. Speaking of Garam, Rambo, forget what Michael sizes. It's like I've got it up here. My menu bar. I forget the name of it here. Tooth fairy. So I guess I got a serpent since in the show notes tooth fairy is a menu bar utility from Michael Cy that. I think it makes it better switching to your MAC. But I don't think it's great. I think air buddy from Garam Rambo is much. It's much better. Have you ever tried it? No, I have not so hits. When I I read the description, I didn't think it was going to solve my particular problem. But maybe I was mistaken. So everybody works makes it work. It really. I hate to say I mean, but it really works the way I think apple should have made it work on the MAC where you just open the case near your MAC, and it shows up in a nice little animated window like little slighty panel on I o s and shows you the air pods, and it has a nice animation. And then there's a little button it says connect, and then you can connect and then connect, and then that makes me wonder how come on IOS. They don't have a connect button. That's that's like my now. My biggest complaint with air pods is like let's say I have it paired with my phone and I want to switch to my ipad. Why can't I just open the case near the ipad and hit a connect button? Why do I have to go to settings and bluetooth and stuff like that? Yeah. It's it it it seems like it could be like the technology's all there. They just need the interface to make it easier to switch between devices. And shouldn't I may be able to tell my my safe Siri dingus shouldn't. I'd just be able to say, hey dingus. Switch air pods to the to my ipad. Right. And if I've only got one ipad, then it should do it. I that would be really cool. It seems like something that they could do. Yeah. This is he apparently is not updated. Everybody for airports to. So it doesn't work with their pods. Well, I I think he did it. He's not saying that. But he just doesn't hasn't tested out yet. Yeah. And there is a preference in the in the window. It says enable for other w one headsets and air pods are not a w one headset anymore there the H one. Maybe he's doing something such a low level because he's so devilishly clever. That it doesn't work. Actually, haven't haven't noticed. I don't really use my air pods with my MAC, very often. So that's one reason why I you know. No, I don't I don't I guess I haven't even tried. It's definitely the device. I use it with the least. So that's why I still enjoy the experience so much. But it does every once in a while. I do want to use it in an often stumbles. Yeah. I use it for of course for watching baseball games on the ipad your Seattle Mariners. Wow. What a opening to the season. They had you don't care. It's pretty good. I do know I care, but I've been hurt too many times. So they opened the season with twenty three games where they hit a home run in every game. Which is I think broke the major league record. You would think the Yankees would have that record. But now the Mariners. Yeah. I have a lot of stupid ideas about sports teams there that are based on to the the branding and attitude of the teams from when I was a child. Like, I feel that the mammy dolphins should always be a team that that as a good passing game. But that's just because they had Dan Marino as a kid. But that's just what I right, right. The Dallas Cowboys should always have a superstar running back. That's just I just feel like that's the way it should be the Seattle. Mariners to me should always be a team full of like three hundred pounds sluggers who can hit the ball five hundred feet. Like, they may or may not be good. They're going to win the World Series. But they're gonna they're they are going to hit the hell out of the baseball. That's just to me that Mariners should always be very hard slugging baseball team. Yeah. Well, they have a park for two. Right. So I do hill. It's whatever they'll it's called this year t mobile park. Yeah. That's the worst tripping Lee off the time. Oh my God. Did you I wasn't. I wasn't a huge fan of Safeco field to begin with either. But we got used to that. And now, I gotta get used to something else. See that's the thing about annoying. That's the thing about selling these naming rights is bad enough. You know, when it just goes to some crappy Bank. But they switch it around. And then forget what they're called. Like, we are. I think it's the Wells Fargo center now. Yeah. That that's our Philadelphia's like hockey and basketball arena, but it's changed names at least three or four times since it open, and it's often not because it's like because these banks merge, and then the Bank who had the naming rights doesn't even exist anymore. So they have to change it. We spent their money on advertising. Right. It was an I kid you not. I think it was. I forget what it opened as. Forget the name of the Bank when it first opened. But then they got bought by Bank called first union, and it was already called the whatever center, and I guess they wanted to keep the center name. So I swear for at least five or six years. It was the first union center. A few see? Like who would who thinks a good name? That's crazy. Can't have a curse word for the initials. They they kept trying to call it like announcers would which kept trying to call it. The safe. Like that not that did not catch on. And now, it's fine. Because it's now something else, but then you have to use it. Now, I guess they have to use the Blake the I haven't been up there since they changed the name, but they have to use the t mobile colors, I guess which is paying. Which is you know. It doesn't really go. Well with the. Go well with anything particularly small, but. Man, you know, what they call Comiskey park now where the White Sox play. It's it is called guaranteed rate field. That's swear to God. That's the name of the stadium guaranteed rate field. This is one of the things we're like, you're like a White Sox executive you. Gotta sell the rates guaranteed rate was online one. And they give you the number. You know, and it's a good number. It's the biggest number you got. And you just sit there and a table and you're looking at Garin you're looking at drawings of the sign guaranteed rate field. You're imagining the announcers welcoming you to guarantee wait field. Eighty one dollars a year. The one thing that we have that is that I absolutely adore and get just like a ridiculous thrill out of every single time. I go buy formerly Safeco field is there's the name renamed a street. Edgar Martinez drive. That's good band. I that is. I think that's delightful. Yeah. And then see on that should always, you know, or at least for a long long time. We'll be Martinez drive. He did not pay for those guaranteed guaranteed rate avenue. Until until guaranteed rate buys it up. And then it's just small parentheses. Just start selling off the names to everything. And then every street will change their each year. So. It'd be confusing. No, not at all. So anyway, I'm glad you have the new air pods. I'm glad you like them. I'm glad I'm not alone. Notice. I tried talking to Amy about the latency and again, she just put him in years. Yeah. She's like, whatever, right, right. Shut up nerd for. Do you? Did you get the wireless charging pad Vert? I did not because I'm still I still do not have a wirelessly charging phone simple. I'm still using an SE. And I thought well. I'll kick that can down the road and see see what happens because you're gonna run out and buy a wireless charging pad just for like, my earphones, Amy asked me what to buy and I told her to get the wireless one just because seemed to me like for thirty bucks. Why not just get it? Right. Even though she doesn't have she has a phone that could use a wireless charging pad, but doesn't have one set up anywhere. I've got one bedside, but she doesn't wall. And she's got like cables. Really? Yeah. I got I got caring wireless charging punchy. Absolutely loves it. I she probably would like it. So I probably should just buy one. Yeah. I'm just cheap now too. Yeah. They really are. Well, but now it's like that was part of the thing with air power, the dream was that you would know which one to buy right? Although it probably wasn't going to be cheap. And so there was certainly not going to be cheap. But at le-, I. Clearly when it burned your house down the idea of it though, it was so appealing and in hindsight now that they've officially cancelled it, and it's no longer like. Years for you for five years. It was it was a dream. I don't know it seems like it was a long time ago. But in hindsight though, especially now that I have this. Not just the watch. Like, I had the watch. And you know, obviously has to charge inductive -ly because it only charges that way. And I had a I had my watch charger over on a dresser apart from my bed. And then I've got a dinner for my phone right next to my bed. And now that I've got this third thing that can charge that way. It seems like it would be so perfect to just have one thing. Yeah. Right there next to my bed, and I could put all three of them on it. And that would be great. I long story short. I just don't I haven't other than to try it and see if it works. I don't really charge it wirelessly. I just do what I did with the old one. And if it seems like it's low put it on the lightning and charges so fast that by the time, I want to listen to something even if it's ten minutes later, it's good to go. Right. Yeah. She was she the one I gave her as when like an anchor that stands up and in. So she has an extra desk and that is. For her. It's awesome. Because she's working. She can just tap on. It'll open up I face, and then she can do whatever she wants to do. Right. I have that one on my desk to or maybe I don't know if it's the same one. But I have an anchor stand up one on my desk, and I actually like it better than a lay down pad. Yeah. And not just in terms of like, the of hey can actually see your face, and you can use it. And you could look at the screen and poke at it, but I never misplace it on the mat? Whereas the one I have bedside they'll it's still every once in a while wake up in the morning and got no charge because a screwed up. Didn't put it on the right because that was also part of the dream of air power was a non finicky. Nonsense. Devices anywhere. But. Laying those coils on top of each other. It doesn't work. So well. Well, it I just posted before we started. You probably didn't read it because I posted like does y postponed. Our show is I posted a piece on the galaxy fold and and I mentioned airpower, you know, to compare and contrast the company's we'll get to that. But I actually posted. I used the headline I want to know what you think I should have checked with you before him. I actually I use the headline. This is my headline know when to fold them. Yeah. Was it worth it for the pun? Or is that awful? Yeah. Why not? All right. I am. I getting for the first to make that Bunel's. I'll say that. But it's it's it's a it's a solid. It's so obvious though. Right. That's the problem. I might be asking the wrong person. All right. Let me take a break here. And thank our first sponsor, new sponsor, very excited about this. I love new sponsors express VPN. Look VPN's can protect you from cyber crime. You can get hacked all sorts of bad stuff that can happen on an open network, but there's other things too. In addition to security, just plain old good old fashioned privacy of EPA can really help with your S P might be might be sniffing your traffic. They sell ads they track you and stuff like that VPN totally protects you from that. So it's not just crime hacking that sort of thing, but just plain old fashioned privacy of UPN can protect you express VPN secures. An anonymous is your internet, browsing encrypting your data and hiding your public IP address? 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I like when I tried to write about today at some of the whole thing feels like a joke like has 'em sung, you know, they tried to sell two thousand dollar phone that folds. And when you folded it breaks after a day or two. At some level. It is kind of funny. But there is something something profoundly wrong happened with that device, or if in the company with that device like how did that get out the door? Yeah. Well. It seemed like they thought they needed to ship one and somebody else's was LG. No. It's a wall way. I think. Wow. I we I think makes it worse because it's. The up and comer, right while way is sort of the one of the, you know, maybe one of the companies that really is putting Samsung in a bad place in China. You know, not maybe there's no maybe about let me take that. Definitely are. All right. So they're they're shipping. One. That means we have to have one til right? We have to be I. Yeah. You know? And I guess I understand the goal of wanting to be I, and I totally get like I've been a opposed to this device ever since they showed it just based on the just the physical aspects of it. The fact that it's roughly to regular phones thick when folded and doesn't even fold when you do fold it. If you look at it sideways like looking at the spine of a book, it it it the the two halves don't even meet neatly. They're sort of in a wedge shape. It's it's so the folding part of it is so ungainly. I there's a part of me that really is annoyed that that Samsung the company that spent an awful lot of time making fun of notches in. Jones put an incredibly ugly not on this phone. Yeah. Asymmetric? Often the corner. It's a bad design. But I'll just concede though that I like apple style products. I mean, this is not. Might seem like a statement of the obvious given what I do what I write about what I talk about. But there is an apple aesthetic and always has been and it's not even like it's the same as thank right. Like, the the the nineteen Eighty-four MAC style. Didn't look like a nine hundred ninety eight. Original amac, right? Totally different in every way, you know, use of curves use of rectangles, the plastics of all this aluminum and glass stuff they've had for the last ten to fifteen years different. But I just know that it's a company that had a very deep cultural level want to ship beautiful objects. Right. You know, and there's that off off off quoted Steve Jobs line that design most people think design is what it looks like it's not designed how it works. But even that said that true design is how it works or the hard part of design is how it works. Let's face it, apple and Steve Jobs like to ship objects that look look good, right? There's it's it what he really should have said is it's not just what it looks like it's also how it works. But you know, he's he was Steve Jobs. So he wasn't going to wasn't gonna put like a. Caveat. Yeah. No caveats for jobs. There's a reason why I'm not as oft-quoted as Steve. It's all become yachts. That should be my middle name. I knew nickname caveat, caveat. But you know, what? I mean, like, you just I I don't know if I'm going to carry a phone around all day, I want it to be a device that I think looks good. You know, I care about that. And I don't think this. I mean, I think anybody who reasonably looked at this phone would not come away with the conclusion that you're going to use this is your daily phone. I mean, it seemed like it was a prototype that was shipped to satisfy just to say, I don't like a comment. Like, right, right. Yeah. And and they and they have a history of shipping. Wacky features that aren't well-developed right in order to do them and say that they've done it. And this is another possibly more high profile instance of that. Yeah. So what I'm trying to get to is. It maybe subject subjectively. I think it's an ugly device that never should have shipped anywhere. Close to looking like this. Personally. But I will admit that maybe for Samsung that that's fine. That's fine for Samsung. And that there are other people with consumers with taste, very different than mine who are so taken by the novelty of this. And maybe and let's say I in theory. It is very useful idea. It's an interesting idea to have a big screen that can be folded into a smaller screen for pocket ability. You know, in theory, the basic idea of devices that that can be smaller and stretched or folded or whatever else from science fiction rolled up. You know? You know, there's a reason that all the off decided science fiction sources with foldable tablet, type things are they always look cool. Right. The Westworld tablets, look super cool. And it seems like it would be super useful. So I can totally see how somebody would be it. Maybe I'm maybe my opinion that it looks really doesn't matter. And if they could have made it work as exactly as promised this would have been fine for Samsung, even at two thousand dollars, maybe. But let's put that aside. What it actually is device that clearly doesn't work like, it is almost mind boggling that you know, it wasn't just one reviewer. It seemed like most of them it broke after a day or two like completely broke like how not just not just the ones who peeled off the great plastic covering that looked like a screen protector. That was actually supposed to be part of the screen. I forget whose YouTube video did it. And I I don't know. Maybe it was MK PHD. But he actually was pointing out that not only does it look like something you're supposed to peel Samsung itself ships. It's other flagship phones with a thing that looks like this that you peel and any cut to like his review of the last thing where he was undocking and peeling off the thing. Yeah. That's when you when they decided they needed to put that screen on it. It really seems like maybe that was part, you know, part of the process there where that should have gone up the chain of habe might not be ready. This might not be does not might be a good idea. It. There must have been people, engineers and quality control. There must have been people inside Samsung who knew that this was going to happen that these things weren't going to work and yet the company was full steam ahead giving out review units. They had press events that they canceled yesterday because they were it I guess in Korea where they were going to have, you know, briefings, and they would until yesterday they were planning to start selling these things Friday this Friday. I mean, I don't know what the actual failure rate is like let's say if they sent a thousand the first thousand of them that they made and they put them into people's hands. How many of them were going to fail? Maybe the reviewers just it was just bad luck that so many of them failed. But clearly like if you have enough of them that fail after a day. I mean, some some funds, you know, you can't test like you can't test something for a year. Right. You can't test it right necessarily for that amount of time before deciding whether or not you can ship it. So you don't know if there's some sort of defect that's going to crop up in a year after regular use. But you can definitely test it for twenty four to forty eight hours. Right. Like, how could they not? How could they not have been using it themselves in some number of them inside the company, even if it doesn't leave you don't leave campus with it you come in the day? But you your your phone once you get to work is is a, you know. A pre production galaxy fold how it had to have somebody had to have known. And there is I really do mean this. I don't think there's any other way around it like in theory. It could have been a bad batch that was sent out to reviewers. But if that were the case in Samsung, we're confident that it was just a fluke that you know, this batch, you know, that we sent over all these reviewers got him from the same batch. If they looked at the numbers and thought, hey that batch was bad. They would have sent the reviewers ones from different production batch. If they I mean, it happens that you get a review unit that doesn't work for other. You know, even with apple products. You know? Yeah. There was a there was an early problem with the watch. Right. I was a tactic engine. Yeah. I had I had to watch review unit that the topic engine failed after. Yeah. And apple provided me, you know, the same day. With a replacement and the replacement didn't fail, and you know, I mentioned it. But he had they were having problems with one supplier, and they cut the player. And there was one of the reasons why. Yeah, it was harder harder to get watch early on. Yeah. And I, you know, and they were very very keen. I mean, number one, they were embarrassed, you know, and they knew I was going to mention it. You know, it's you know, that every and any company would be, you know, you don't want to review or to get a thing that fails. But you know, they didn't try to sandbag it at all. But they were all very very keen. I think they were just as keen to get me a replacement SAP as they were to get their hands on my one that failed ASAP. Yeah. Like, I don't know what the fastest way of getting a broken watch from Philadelphia back to Cupertino is. But that watch took it. Like, I express that thing was guy with a briefcase, and that's changed his wrist. Yeah. That's a perfect example though, because there's one that me personally experience where I had the first generation apple watch my review unit. That topic engine literally broke after a day, and it was sort of it faded away. Right. Like, it was like at first it didn't seem right. It just seemed like I could've sworn when I had the hands on time that those the taps for better than this. And then it seemed to get worse. And then it was like, this is definitely getting worse. And that I got in contact with them before and actually broke. And I was like, I'm I'm I really don't think I'm nuts. I I think that the tapping engine is failing on this unit. And then they were like, well, we'll send a guy down from New York. You know, you know, will you be home in an hour. And I was like I don't think he can get here in our damn if they didn't get here in an hour somehow ninety minute train ride. Helicopter. Yeah. But in between then and between saying like, I really think I needed different unit. And when they got here it was completely dead. And and that happens, I don't this is obviously not that type of situation. You know, this is a device that clearly never never should have been launched. I thought it was I said it, and I think that it seems so. The human. We're not meant to deal with extreme extraordinary. Exceptions right? A perfect here prefers hand a week ago. When the news broke that Notre Dame cathedral was on fire, and my catastrophic fire I thought well that can't happen. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's why we didn't swipe TV is it. TV is such an extraordinary thing because then you turn on the TV, and you see that it is. And it really helps. Whereas if I only heard that I would have thought well that it can't be that bad probably a little little fire in the corner of the attic or something, you know, you you. The democratic. I did know it did have an attic. And that's actually where the fire starter. I guess no not anymore. It's no longer has an attic. And I believe that there when they rebuilt it. It will have a different paddock. Approve at it. I don't want to go. We have too many other things to talk about. But I did read some stuff there. And there was a bit of wishful thinking as opposed to. Apparently, that's not wasn't unique that there's a lot of old cathedrals that are firetraps just because they you know, it very old. It was what? Yeah. The eight hundred years old, you know, fire standards weren't quite up to snuff then. And they were the Turks was long resistant to pudding in the had smoke detectors, but they were long resistant to putting in like sprinklers in electrical stuff up there because they thought maybe just putting the extremely electronic the wiring might might cause the fire. No. But there was some guy. So many of the experts in news articles speak in such mealy ways. And then there's somebody I like it when they get somebody who just says it, and they got some guy who was like an expert on fire safety, and he just said flat out if it wasn't a cathedral. It would have been condemned. You know, decades ago. Condemned should tear it down. Right. If it was any other type of building it would have been. Yeah. Anyway. But I think the when when those reviews broke last week when it wasn't even reviews people was so early on in the process that it was tweets because nobody everybody had only had it for a day or two, and and garments broke and Gherman the one who at least was the first I saw who kind of explained the whole screen protector thing. He showed that picture. I loved it. The picture he showed. He's like, this is the thing. They said I wasn't supposed to take off. It just looked like a piece of garbage. Didn't look like he took off a piece of a phone. It looked like like a rapper from a sandwich. Did you see? Question is the galaxy full of the sandwich. More like a hotdog will Joanna starting put a hot dog in it in video. She put one hundred again. Why not I guess? Yeah. If you might as well use it for something. Yeah. No. I think that some people saw those tweets, and it was obviously, the, you know, the the little hubbub of the day because it seemed extrordinary any one of them. It would have been interesting. Like, hey, here's a guy who got a bum review unit of this foldable phone, but it was a bunch of them. I wrote, and I I wasn't being hyperbolic. I was like this thing is not gonna ship. And I think that some people took that as me sort of exaggerating being hyperbolic, but I meant it. I just think it was it's so hard to fathom that a company of Samsung size and would would ship a high profile device that never should have shipped. But it seemed very clear at that point that that's exactly what had happened. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it seems like this technology will be there someday. But it's. I guess we'll see what the law. We want is like, but I didn't see that one seemed a little bit better. Looking. It definitely seemed better looking I in theory. I like the idea of one that folds outwards. So that there's part of what I find distasteful about the greatly distasteful about the design of the galaxy fold is that there's the main screen inside that you open it up, and you've got this sort of square screen. But then when you fold it 'cause it folds inside there's an another screen on the outside, the crappier smaller screen, right? Crappier screen bad specs. Yeah. It huge huge buzzwords like the biggest battles on any phone in the iphone era because it's obviously it's meant to be secondary. I just find it to tasteful. Yeah. It it's just, you know, whereas only having one screen, and when folded its phones is and went unfolded, it's tablet size seems better. But on the other hand, design wise, it seems very dangerous to have the screen on the outside of both sides. And therefore, you can't put it in a case. I'm not really a case person. I've I've started taking cases with me when I travel, and we're going to -cation, and I see when I'm using my phone more as a camera than a phone because it's like, our I I actually really enjoy having a case that gives it a bit more grip. Yeah. Often when you're holding it in camera style, you're holding it on the edges with your fingertips. And. Yeah. And then you had to push the screen or I mean, you hit the button, but even usually push the screen in order, and I'm always afraid I'm gonna pop out of my hand. Yeah. I I like I like it. A case for that. But you know, without going on a whole tangent about why everybody puts their phones and screens. Everybody puts their phones and screens effectively, you know, for some reasonable value of something close to everybody. Everybody puts their phones whether they're Android phones. Are I've owns they put them in cases. So I don't see how that that wall. Way design is I get the novelty of it, and why people would look at it. And if it works if it actually works and doesn't break people and say, wow, that's cool. But I feel like I at a fundamental level. I don't know that that will ever be popular. So I kind of get why Samsung put the fold inside. And you can't really can't put that phone the one in a case at all. Because there's like I don't see how I don't see how you covering screen. And then when you go to unfold to use the feature with that you pay two thousand dollars for. All right. Have to fumble with some sort of cover to get it off. Right. You could use. Yeah. How ever bad the crease is? Our noticeable the creases when it's open if you have like a clear case over the the one half of it that. I think you're not going to be able to touch on that side in. I mean, you can't use it with the case. So I don't see how I'm not sure how practical that is a real world the whole thing just even both even admitting it to while we went does look better doesn't seem practical and doesn't seem like something real people would actually by in large numbers. It all just seems like, hey, we've got these screen TEK enfold in cool way. Hugh's. The why? Here's the white. Let's use them. Let's really let's make a phone that you can fold. It's make a screen you can fold in half. Again, sounds cool. But I- doesn't make for a good product. I I think the answer's probably not, you know. Yeah. But I still think the meta the meta story of how in the world in what is the what was the story like inside Samsung where this either wasn't noticed at any level, which seems impossible. I I mean, but if that's the case that's dreadful that they nobody they built this, and nobody used it or I think more likely that. There was serious concerns raised if not if not outright protest actions that hey, this shouldn't be built or shipped from engineering and quality control and maybe at production level like maybe they're pre production. Prototypes didn't fail this way. But then once they went into actual production. The ones coming off the line. Obviously didn't like I'm pretty sure that's what happened with air power. By the way, you remember the stories are a couple of stories in January that the air power had. Entered production. And then we all thought, hey, we're going to get these things right that they've entered production. I don't have any sources who confirm this. I've talked to several people who worked on air power early on not recently. But I actually think it probably did enter production. Like, I think the long story short of airpower was that they they had an idea they thought they would ship it. I think that those reports by the way, there are other reports that that there was a company apple acquired after they announced it that was the company that they were relying on for the technology. I think that's true that they acquired that company then, but they already had people working on airpower before them. They didn't they they did not get up there. Product. And then say okay now, we gotta go buy something to make those. Yeah. But they did hit affectively hit a reset button and do like a redesign months and months after they announced, and let's start only went with Chia after because originally wasn't cheering. No. It was always Chee if I should rewatch that all was always Chee compatible, but it was more than she. So you would have been able right with the Phil Schiller's demonstrated model onstage at that phone event. It they said it's cheap compatible. So any cheat device that you would have put on it would would have charged. It's just that they were adding more than she. So that they could have the bigger sweet spots and support the watch which doesn't instill doesn't support Chee. The whatever the watch does the unique, you know, it may be very similar to cheap. But it's not cheap. There is a deminers. There's no cheap pad. You can put an. Apple John avid charge, and nor could you and I think that they got far enough along that they thought maybe, you know, maybe this will work and then it went into production. Like, I think they got a design that they thought they could that that might work and then it got into real production. And at that point, it it, you know, either didn't work or was unfeasible like this. There's too many of these that are failing. It's too expensive. You know? You know, I it. It's a screwed up story. It's embarrassing for apple. But at some level the system worked, right? They didn't ship charging pads that caught fire got hot or broke after a day. You know, they made a they made a optimistic wishful thinking era by announcing it before it was ready on the assumption that they they knew that they had technical hurdles left to solve. But they figured we'll wrap we'll figure it out and never actually shipped. It like something really screwed up happened within Samsung that whatever, you know, like I said there had to be the had to be people in Samsung who knew that this was in coming to work. And yet either they passed it up the chain. And it was ignored by executives at a higher enough level to make the decision that we. Nah. We still want to be. I we're maybe their culture is such that people were afraid to pass it up the chain. You know, I, you know, the chairman of Samsung was the one who unveiled it. You know, maybe nobody wants to tell them, you know, you stood up in an unveiled a phone that we shouldn't ship. It's like a company like an organization. I don't know. I mean, I it's possible. I guess, but it seems like that would be something that would be a problem constantly. I don't know. But is more than the two notable instances of the last whatever it was four years three or four years. But. Well, it is company scramble around so much in the background to to make it work that it does. They do get away with that. It is the company that that ship the note seven which exploded right and had to be recalled in a multibillion dollar recall. I mean. You know, an exploding phone is obviously a far bigger problem than a phone that just doesn't shit shipped to lots of customers. Oh, yeah. It was it was a huge. It was you know, it was tons of them. And they they kind of I was just reading about it to to refresh my memory, they kind of bungled it to where they were late to really just give throwing the talen just recall them, all they were saying, we've got a new supplier for batteries. So if you, you know, you're serial numbers in this big range, send it back to us. And we'll put a good battery in and then they figured out the good batteries the whole thing. It wasn't really it was just just Visayas. I don't know. I wouldn't want that job like. I wouldn't I I wouldn't I wouldn't I wouldn't want. Could you imagine being like an engineer at apple at level of where if you make a mistake, your work is such like, you're you're you're designing the connection between the lithium ion battery and the rest of the phone, and if you really screw up iphones might catch on fire. If I'm designing that connection is already something wrong with your right? Deeply wrong. I, you know, but some people have those jobs, and and I salute them. Yeah. But the stakes are high, right? I mean, it's it's not just that the personal level of feeling bad. If somebody's leg catches fire burn. But. Right. I mean, you I'd feel terrible. If my if a bug in my software caused somebody's leg to to get a burn. 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You know, I it's hard to remember a time. When there were lots of leaks to lots of sources. For whatever reason they keep a close enough lid, but like you can never they can never seem to keep it completely sealed. And there's always like one or two people out there who are getting leaks. You know last couple of years, it'd be Mark Gherman now, though, Guillaume Rambo. Wow. It I don't even know where to start the. Well, it seems like he picked apart Iowa's thirteen and MAC OS. Ten fifteen. Right. I mean, right. Yeah. So I was thirty most of the leaks. I it does seem it some of the clues. It's not all there's no hardware. Right. Yeah. Is this both those operating systems? So it's all software, and maybe a little on the services side. I don't think he has his hands on either of those pieces of software. Okay. And, you know, clean shot during if he somehow managed to get a copy, I we I I wondered I still don't know. It's and he's obviously. Protecting his source, of course, as you. Well, yeah, he weren't at source would dry up very quickly. It was is it may be sources like one of the things that ordinary about it is that he knows he's he's revealed a whole bunch of items across Iowa's thirteen and MAC OS ten point fifteen got that's getting. So it's really hard to say that. Yeah. It is. I really wish that they would just drop the ten just. And I I knew this was going to happen, by the way, just as an aside when they switched to naming the Mac OS versions. I knew that. I would soon start forgetting which one's which right? You know, they they've always had the nicknames forum. You know, like for some reason, I remember that ten point four was tiger. Or was it line actually now, I don't not sure I would simply five, but there cheetah and panther and cheater was a real lie. Because Titas, of course, the fastest animal on the planet. And it was Mac OS ten was dreadfully with the time just unpaid painfully painfully slow time it was easier for me it was easier. Remember, the cat's just because everybody knows the cats. I mean, a lot of the like I've never been to these places. So it's harder for me to picture in my mind. Oh that version is this place in California. I can all numbers they go in order, and then you can sit there, and you can figure out and once, you know, the numbers you can sort of count backwards on your hand and go back to the year. You know, you can do. A little subtraction there, and you can get a year. Like at this point. I'm there's like was there was I know the new one is Mojave and all my max are now on Mojave. So I know that name. But like what was Sierra was there a Sierra? And then there was a high Sierra Sierra and then high Sierra, sure. I can't remember if it went to go see her. I. L cap. There was L capi Tanya. But and I think that was after Yosemite. I think I've got I guess, I'm I guess it's all coming by. There was Yosemite in El cap is the mountain in Yosemite. And so they use that. Okay. So here we go. Okay. Yeah. Mavericks, Yosemite, El capitan, Sierra high. Sierra Mojave, see Mavericks, forgot them completely totally forgotten that one. Well, anyway, it the breadth of the leaks that Garam Rambo has extrordinary. I don't think I could be wrong. I, but from what I understand I have friends at apple it. I don't think there are many people at apple who know about all of the things that he leaked. I it's there's a, you know, famously compartmentalized company that one other ways that they keep things under wraps is that teams don't talk to other teams about what they're doing unless they're working together know, if they need to talk about it. But you don't it's not like everybody who goes and works. People might be you know, going and working on important new tent pole features of IOS thirteen or features to specifically support the new iphones coming out and twenty nineteen. The big important stuff for the company that gets the attention at the very highest executive levels. They don't know like all the features that are going on in the MAC for the same year. It's just not how the company works. Like, I really just don't think there are many people who have access to this the breadth of information that he published. Yeah. And these are these are kind of all over the place. I mean, it's all software them, basically. But it's. Some of the people some of the people who do know all of these things are people like that the highest level of Phil Schiller's group and Craig febreeze group. Right. I don't think like Craig is right hand top executive managers underneath him are leaking these things to nine to five man like. And I would guess that those people like Frank Vettori, Ian, Phil Schiller are angry about how these things right? They would. Well. Yeah. So it's one person they would know the person. I I I guess it was two years ago. I think when I asked Phil Schiller onstage at W W C, which I guess I should talk about is my live show at W WBZ. Are you coming by the way, I might need you. Well, you know, if you need. It or not I'm going. It was two years ago or federal ghee and Phil Schiller Veron together. And I asked something about the leaks, and that this really bothers you guys in and fill really got emotional, and he's very cool on in that show like he he's very laid back. But he starts talking about leaks. He he he can't help himself. He gets very angry. And like, and I really think he means it I really think he means it that one of the big reasons that he gets upset is that he thinks about all of the individual teams who've been working sometimes for multiple years on something kept it under wraps, and we're looking forward to having the world. Learn about their work in just the right way the way that apple wants to unveil it onstage in an event with the explanation of what it is why they're doing it. How it works? What it looks like done in the way that apple thinks is gives the biggest pop and the. Most puts it in the most accurate light. And then to have that spoiled. You know, it just makes him angry because he you know, he. I really believe that I really believe that you know. I've always happens. It always happens when there's a big leak thing like this. Where somebody I've seen it on Twitter where there's people who think I think apple did this on purpose to get people excited about WW DC. There's no way all of this would leak if if they didn't want it to. And all I can say is. I mean, I can't disprove that. But no that is definitely not the case apple dot, it doesn't this when they needed to do that. Well, I think that people underestimate how important apple considers it to announce things in the precise wave that they want to and to explain them, you know, that they really. They put more work into the keynotes than I think a lot of people at like a hundred times, maybe more work it into the keynotes than people think that they'd some people think that they do like, they are very very interested in and they think it's important to announce things in a way that people understand them correctly. Whereas this is not really that this again, it's good work. And he knows it. And I do think I mean part of what makes it curious is. So Mark Gherman it's compare Rambo. And in Gherman Gherman, obviously has had a lot of good sources at apple over the years and has gotten leaks of information, but he's not technical. He's not a programmer, he's just a reporter who cultivates human sources like Gherman. I to my knowledge has never done anything like discover, a URL that public that shouldn't have been public, which is one of the things that Rambo and Steven. Mm Smith is who's afr- who they work together on some of this stuff and Stephen trout and Smith got credit at the bottom of a couple of these nine to five MAC articles for helping Rambo which makes me think that there is it could be that they have access to software. They're both extraordinarily clever, and they're both really really talented at the to me black. Magic of getting these. You know, you could give me the the IRS thirteen. Download and I I I wouldn't know what to do with it. I have a computer science degree. I mean, I'm not an idiot. I'm not an idiot. But I don't know how I would get in there and figure out that, hey, there's a new drawing recognition recognition thing that you'd you'd fire up resident. Exactly. If I could fire up resident, maybe I could figure of the no if I had to do it. I would I would I would get in contact with Stephen Johns. You didn't have to do. So I guess I do. It's the only way. Right. But I think it could also be though, and I don't want to pry, I know Stephen, I don't really I don't know that I've ever been in contact with Rambo, but I know Stephen Trenton Smith. And you know, we've I message about this a bit, you know, more or less just a couple of these popped. And he just sent me a text message just to show, you know, semi the URL. So I'd see it early. And I'm not gonna pry 'cause I eat not they're not going to tell me. Anyway, I don't want to pry know. And I I don't like asking questions. I know that can't be answered. But I have admitted that I'm damned curious what the hell is going on. Yeah. One or the other ideas that I was that maybe the source is like a build engineer at apple somebody who works on the the part of the operating system where it's like, you take all of this various work and actually put it together in into a IOS thirteen beta that can be installed on phones, right, which when you really think about how big these operating systems are is seems like devilishly complicated work. To actually turn dozens of different projects from wireless networking to screen recognition to pencil support to new API's for a are. And put them all into a you know, a single downloadable bundle that will properly install itself on iphones. Somebody who works in that area. Maybe would be the sort of person like one person might have access to an awful lot of information across the operating systems. I don't know. Are there any of these things that they've revealed that you found particularly interesting? I mean, not not any more than any other ones. I wouldn't say, but. It's it's kind of a hunch vitamin their series stuff. There's marzipan improvements. There's a reality stuff and then at at the highest level. Some of what they've re revealed is stuff that we've all known from other rumors for a while, which is primarily that the ipad is getting or should be getting at least a some significant updates to make it. Just to make productivity better on it. Some inter system level interface improvements to make side-by-side apps better, multiple windows are and I'm not sure windows seems like the wrong word because we'll window to me is specifically a rectangle what doesn't have to be erectile. I guess if we go back to the those music player days audion, and and sound Jada. We a lot of windows that weren't rectangles, but it's a floating rectangle that you can drag around the screen and stack them in an overlapping fashion and possibly resized them. Yeah. I mean, like the videos lane window, right? Yeah. Yeah. So like the video player the heads up display is a window, but most of what like like in safari those tabs aren't windows. So I'm not quite sure. And it doesn't seem clear from this leak, whether their windows windows, still seems wrong on the ipad. It seems like they should all be tiled and in fixed rectangular full height space. But anyway, some kind of way though, that system wide, you know, I abs- we'll be able to have multiple things open at once. So you'll be able to have. I presume, for example, to emails open at once that you're writing like, that's it is the thing. I'm you know, I don't want to go on a whole MAC versus I've had ramp. But there's an awful lot of times where I have to have written emails open on my MAC more than two. Unfortunately. It's weird to me that something that some people can use guide. Not sure how people some people do it like if your ipad journey device, and I know that there's drafts. But and you can do the thing in mail where you can flip it down to the bottom. But none of it seems as elegant to me is just having a couple of emails open at once. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Anyway, seems like some thinking along those lines has been which was rumored for last year, and seemingly according to rumors, which I believe was punted for not being ready. So that stuff is coming the lots of marzipan stuff, the one that I forgotten about was there's the the watch. Athena -cation. Yeah. What's different with that? See I've lost forgotten that for these things. Well, it's just it's about using the watch in order to do more stuff on right, right things. Right. Right. Right. Right. That that your MAC will be able to trust your watch for more things, and you'll be able to use it for things that that the the modern MAC books that have the touch ID system can use the touch ID center for you'll just be able to use your watch. Instead. Yeah. Which which I didn't can't useful. Because I often use my Magara pro when it's closed and connected to a monitor, and that's always annoying. When you can't do that touch ID thing to use passwords. I love I love the feature that you can unlock your MAC. Just open your macbook and use the watch to to open. It. Are you wearing your watch? Now. I am wearing okay right now as we speak. I don't wear it every day, in fact. I didn't wear it yesterday. I have other watches I like to wear were different watch yesterday. And then I put my apple watch on this morning. And it said you didn't move much yesterday. John you can do it today. And I I should've taken a screen shot of according to my watch my watch as far as my watch knows. I didn't move at all yesterday. I might have been dead because I didn't I didn't touch. My logic. Does some of the move. It does some of the move stuff with the phone, right? I mean, so you'd think that the watch would ask the phone if you move, I don't know. I guess they they're going to each other. I don't know. I don't know. But yeah, it sounds like they're going to do more of the other the other thing I can think of that you can do on the watch on your MAC now is Apple Pay. You can definitely confirm apple pan a lot. Yeah. But that'd be cool to have more stuff do that. Especially if third parties can. Can hook into it. And if you have like an a password protected app, you might be able to as an option say 'have, you, you know, authenticate with apple watch instead of having to enter a password. That would be cool. The marzipan stuff is obviously a big part of it. That was one of the first leaks. They had where there's going to be. And I think I do think they structured him. Well, like, I think they started with the biggest story which was this that there's going to be separate music podcasts. And TV ATMs on the MAC, which we assume to be the marzipan versions of the SS that are coming. I believe I suggest that they are and Hannah new a new books app or replacement for the books up with the the probably also be marzipan. And yeah, I guess we should definitely talk about that. I feel like this the long-awaited break-up vitamins. Needs to be talked. I thought the guys I thought they had a really good segment on it that I won't repeat I, but there was a recent episode of ATP where Marco was a bit pessimistic about this like, we might be, you know, we've we've all been frustrated for years that items has gotten a bit cluttered, and it takes on more stuff. You know, and it used to be an app that it the funny thing that maybe the tragic part is it was beloved when it came out. Yeah. Right. When I came out and people loved him because everybody had just been managing. They're not everybody. Because I know there was sound jam which was actually the roots of I tunes and and panic had their audience up, but you had to be like an Indy MAC fan nerd to even heard of either of those apps at this point like normal people if they had an MP three files, they just had them like an folder on their desktop, right? Like just throw them all in here. Just Papa CD in your MAC and hit one button. And it'll all be organized, and they're all being named right? Right. Like. You know, we didn't back when we were pirating all these the file names were zero one, right? The artist empty string. You know? You know? You know, he's. Was what beat Beatles songs, and it wasn't on your Rio and just Beatles songs with like a release date of nine hundred ninety nine because that was like the CD. It was. You know, I've probably soft. But it was a mess, and I came out and it was glorious and it was apple at its best. And and the the the I of star on Steve Jobs himself, obviously was passionate about this app. And when he said, he loves music, everybody knew it was true. And that this app was meant to be the music playing app that Steve Jobs would not use but want to use and even some of the stuff that was extraneous like the the screensavers. What did they call those the? Oh, yeah. They're still in there. Yeah. They're still everything's still in there. That's the problem. But it just seemed cool because then you if you were setting up your MAC to play music, it wouldn't just look like a dumb list of songs it you'd have as great visualize earth. Does not what they realize. Yes. Yes. That's it makes your MAC look like a cool thing while you're pumping music for your party or right, people loved it. And then it grew over time, and you know, took on all this responsibility. Where? When the the iphone? Took off. Yeah. Is when it does really went poorly when far because now it had to handle the apps, and that whole process was an NFL backing up the phone and doing all, right? And then it became ridiculously cumbersome just small amounts of accumulation of technical debt that made sense every step of the way. But eventually you're so many steps into it where it's like. Wow. How did we get here? And it was like, well, of course, I tunes was used to manage your ipod. That was almost probably half the reason they made the thing, and it was great. It was like you just plug your ipod in and you get all your same playlists and all your music, it just all if you just ripped to CD didn't do anything you just plug your ipod in all that new music was now on your ipod. And then when they made the iphone they were like, well, we need some kind of data port. Well, we've already got thirty pin connector from the ipod. Why don't we use the same port, and then we could use the same cables. And once you have that it's like, well, then how are we going to get software updates and stuff like that? Or how are we going to get your music onto your iphone is that? Well, we'll we'll I don't we just have. I tuned to treat the iphone as like an ipod, you know, and it all made sense. And then all of a sudden, you know, there's there's an app store. Dudes like that was weird. Right. Like it in hindsight. It is very very strange that the if you would think of the way you felt about items when it first came out in two thousand or two thousand one whenever that was. And then think about the fact that it eventually was filled up with dozens of mobile games. And we have at least gotten to the point. I think we've got to the point where we don't do all that other man. The iphone management stuff is not done in nineteen seventy everybody. Most people do I don't even you do backups in the nil. For a time. I did I did too. But then I you know, I bit the bullet and bought more cloud storage. And we just use I cloud, and it's a lot easier. Well, and I also find that that apple has quietly or you know, I hate to Miss USA quietly, but without much acclaim has made I tunes or I cloud. Restore really really good. Yeah. Like, I it it comes in at about as fast as I could reasonably hope that it would over WI fi. Yeah. And and it's gotten to me a lot. I it's become more determinate like in the early years of it. It just seemed like indeterminate like, we'll wait. I don't have any photos yet. And I don't see anything spinning. Just wait. And then I come back, and I've got three hundred and twenty three photos, and it's like, well, I've got a lot more than three hundred twenty three photos. I've got thousands of phone. Let me go look on my old iphone how many photos, I have one thousand nine thousand four. And then eventually you would have. A thousand photos, and then you know, a day or two later it would all be there. But I just just show me a spinner and say, you're working on it. Right. You don't you don't have to update eight number. You don't have to go thirteen thousand to three three thirteen thousand to thirty four. You know, you have to show me just just show me that something's going on. And I think they've gotten a lot better at that in my experience, and I tend to to use it a lot because they get all these review phones. And I just do them all over I cloud restore or set him up as news or something like that. Yeah. Because the other thing too is that the using I tunes for it was always a little confusing like that was one of those areas where I don't think they really got the interface, right? Because it was like if you didn't encrypt your backups. They didn't include pass an awful lot of important star passwords, especially I think, but right, which makes sense. But then maybe might have been encrypted from by default instead of unencrypted. Yeah. I think it should have been. And I think that they didn't want to encrypt it by default because it was serious encryption, and they didn't want to deal with all the people who forget their passwords. Know, and then literally have to say to them. There's nothing we can do. I guess that's the thought process, but in addition to I think maybe discouraging more people from doing what they should have been doing. I just think the the whole explanation of it in the interface was never quite clear like it was never clear that if you didn't crypt it, you would you would have a much better experience so long as you remembered it, right? It was it made it seem as though it was just about like, hey, if you're spooked about having your backup unencrypted on your hard drive because somebody might poke around in it, then encrypt it. I don't think they made it clear at all that if you encrypt it. It'll also include a lot more your stuff. Yeah. Definitely not. So anyway, are you excited? What do you think? So Marco's take. I don't want. Well, so. The rate is that we'll get these these apps will be ported over from Iowa s to the MAC, and I tunes isn't gonna go away. Really? He's not to begin with because it does a whole bunch of other things that are not including those apps, obviously. But it you won't have to deal with it. If you don't want to like a regular basis. So that seems like I you know, that seems like a big improvement. It may not be exactly, you know. I think we we would probably think I mean who knows it depends on how the the answer, you know, how well the reported over right? As long as they're MAC as long as they're MAC feeling that will go a long way towards making that process, less painful. But if it's like, what was done, you know, with news and. Stocks and whatever words just like slapped. It's announcing a window and you run on the MAC, which I don't think it will be. But I guess the concern and the concern is, hey, everybody wanted item's broken up because it seemed like it was too much in one app and kinda got Crofty. But in the be careful what you wish for category of here you go. Everything's broken up. And then you get these apps that might be too simplistic like there is if it's just the MAC music player is just the ipad music player in a MAC window. You lose an awful lot of stuff that items can do smart, playlists and complicated interfaces for making complicated. Smart playlists and part of what we love about apple at its best. Is this their ability to? Give you an app classic. You know, the old tunes in the early days is a perfect example where at a basic level it worked for everybody. You know, anybody who really just wanted to play music on their computer had a pretty simple interface that you could you know, you could navigate by artists and by album people could figure it out just by looking at it and play. But if you wanted to do things like make complicated, smart playlists with ends and oars to exclude this and include that they had an interface for it. And you didn't have to write it in a programming language. You didn't have to do it by apple script. It was a nice little interface. Like, you know, you get for making mail filters. In other words, letting you use your computer as a computer, right, and I feel like at a very flippant high level. Description part of what I think frustrate some of us about apple in recent years is not really letting you use your computers as computers anyone taking away some of that computer Innis and making them more abstract devices. Yeah. You know, like this only is a good idea. If these apps are actually, very good MAC apps that let you do useful in powerful van right? Are there? Other examples of smart playlists that. Oh, I mean, it seems like what about letting you manage is this new music app going to let you manage a local local museum. Right. If that's what you want to do. Right. There's there's the maybe the biggest level, right? Like what if you've got and as old fashioned in idea that is for kids today who really grown up in streaming era. And I kind of get the beauty of the streaming thing where you don't you? You'd never gonna lose your music, you know, at all, although I guess artists can leave your streaming service, and you lose access so but you don't have anything to worry about. And it seems very simple, right? You know, and and with things like Netflix. It doesn't even make any sense. I mean, I suppose there's some people with piles of ripped blue rays DVD's meetings. That were downloaded off the back of a truck as they say for those for those people there's plex or something like that. Right. Yeah. They do have some days of using items for that kind of stuff or basically or along. We're over for years, right? So I don't think music is a little bit different. And I only Kim trying to remember because there were times when I would add it dates and things because it would be the date of something. And I think there is some that are even still like that like it's a like if they remastered something it's the date of the the remastered instead of the date of the original song. Always. Here's like, okay. These Beatles songs are not from the nineties. Here's one that will surprise absolutely no one. Who knows me? Long ago. Like when I had a big pile of music all in I tunes. It eventually made me I couldn't stand it anymore that I had a whole bunch of songs where all of the apostrophes were stupid straight apostrophes. So I I wrote, and you know, where it really drove me nuts is when I is when I got the when I was using an ipod. The early ipods where they use the old classic Chicago bit map typeface the classic back because the difference between the dumb apostrophe and the curly apostrophe is really really glaring in. That font, and it's such a nice. It's tonight's improvement in Syros, apple script and a fixed all of my songs like hundreds and didn't go by hand and type it. I wrote an apple script. And I don't know if it took me less time to write the script to do it. Then it would have to do it by hand. But that sort of thing feels at least felt like I say tons of time. Yeah. And it was extremely satisfying to me ever after that where all of my album names, and song names ahead apostrophes or quotes had typographically. Correct ones. I made me very very happy. And it also made me a little mad to the lot of the ones. I had were from the I tune store, and it's like, I you know, I feel like apples should have gotten that. Right. But I could fix it. And it wasn't too hard. I really really doubt the new music up from marzipan is going to be apple script -able. In fact, I'm pretty sure. Well, maybe not I take that back. I think Stephen Smith proof that it could be. So I won't say couldn't. But I think it's extraordinarily unlikely that an app the whole point of this this developer framework is to share a code base with I o s which doesn't have apple script would be apple scriptural. You know? So that's the sort of thing and there's tons of itunes apple script out there. I tunes. His wonder is a wonderfully apple script -able application. There's the Doug's apple script site as so many great tools out there. If you've ever wanted to do weird things with your I tunes, browsing his website and finding a bunch of scripts is super fund. I really doubt. We're going to get that. Yeah. Well, I certainly don't think we'll get it to begin with. But right. It seems like the thing that the kind of thing that might migrate over time or they just had to keep maintaining items. Well, they might. But will I tuned share a music library with the music app. There's I mean, that's just technically. I I don't know. I interested in seems like the music app. We'll do. We'll take whatever's in your cloudy, right? Which is that's a good question. Be completely separate. Yeah. Because then you'd have you'd have to have twice the space. They're separate if you're storing them right on the device, which I don't think anybody wants to do we want mine's like three megabytes or something fairly and reasonably large. And I you know, I have to say not make a bigger than that. I don't want to spend too much time bitching about marzipan again. I think I've beaten that horse to death. But and I'm not sure even calling it marzipan is the right thing to do. Because I believe I hope I'm not fooling myself with wishful thinking. But I think I also have reason to believe that the marzipan we know today from the Mojave apps news stocks. Voice recorder in home. They are clearly from the IRS versions of those apps painfully. So because you can they just look like IOS apps run some especially like home just looks like an app running in an you know, this the simulator. You know? But it's really part of the reason that I it was unveiled at WWE last year as a preview is that what they had to for those apps was only the tip of the iceberg. So to say of other developer things that will help make these apps not look like IOS apps. Ran an emulator. Yeah. That there's a whole bunch of developers stuff along that line. And you know, what we've seen is different. But boy, if these apps are like, those apps that would be that would not be good in my opinion. Yeah. It's sort of like the classic. The classic MAC stage before going to. Yeah. But I guess that's one of the other tidbits. They've revealed is that marzipan apps will be able to open more than one window it again as a bullet point. Isn't really it's not really a a, hey, that's cool. New feature for this year's marzipan. It's really just condemning the marzipan that they decided to ship with Mojave year ago that they shifted in a state where it still wasn't capable of opening more than one window like which to me in the news app is one example. I think it's absolutely preposterous that you're supposed to treat this as a news app. And there's no way to open more than one article at a time. Yeah. Like, if you have a long article, and you wanna finish reading it later, but keep reading some new stuff. It really seems pretty obvious to anybody who's ever used a MacIntosh that you should be able to double click a story and have it opened. I mean. Anyway, and voice recorders is another one where it's it seems absolutely ridiculous that you can't have two recordings open at a time on a MAC. It's ridiculous. So you know, that's a good sign like that's one small bullet point that seems like a silly little thing. But I think it it. It's that bullet point really is a hint that the true marzipan story is way deeper than what they revealed last year. They just had to reveal this little bit of it because they wanted a news app for MAC because they knew they were going to do this apple news plus thing at cetera. Yeah. The I I find I find still find that up supremely frustrating. I still I kinda drives me crazy because people will send me links, and they're and they're often links that are apple newslink's say oh God. Please. Don't. Do you know what I have a service? I see I used to publish stuff like this all the time, and I should get back into doing it. I I wrote a service system like an automated thing, so it's on your MAC, and it's in your services menu. And it'll take any apple news URL and just you select it in any app run the service, and it turns it into the original URL for the store. I'll give me a you. Don't have to like. All it works. It's pretty simple. But hopefully, I'm trying to think of it relies on any weird Pearl stuff that I have that. Everybody doesn't have. Anyway. I'll all right. I promise you, John. I don't promise that everybody will get it. Did that I don't care about. But it is super frustrating. I hate getting an apple. Yeah. And I had I had a story. Open a news. And then someone sent me a link click on the link and then opened a news. And like the story that I wanted to read that I've been sort of saving open that I wanted to read was gone like, and I couldn't go back to it. It was when I clicked back. It would take me to the homepage. This is not helpful. Yeah. And I get it. You know? Yeah. I am going to beat the market like, but for example, and like I just think that the voice memos app is just atrocious. It's just a really bad MAC app. But then people will say, well, it's better than nothing because I have voice recordings on my phone and before this. There was no way to get them on my MAC, and now they sink through cloud. And at least have my recordings on my MAC. It's better than nothing. And I'll concede that it is better than nothing. But you know, better than nothing as a company slow. Go slogan is a lot different than insanely great. Yeah. Right. Like it used to be that we celebrated apple for making things insanely great. And now we're saying better than nothing. Like. But there have been lots of transitional moments. Let me like I was thinking about like the classic when you had to be classic interface. When we were going from nine to ten those bright, I hoping that that's what we're in right now with this, right? Like what you're saying? When you you'd you'd have to open up a classic app because there was no native. Yeah. Carbon. And you look like the old, you know, nine because you're basically running to operating systems. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Better than nothing. Which was better than nothing. But that's different though, that to me though, that was your was clearly that's the old thing and you're hanging onto whereas this is the thing that's different about this is that these are new things this voice memos app is new for the MAC, and it's coming, you know. No. I don't excuse it as well. I I don't think. I think it's a little more. It's not as clear cut because it's not as clear dividing line. But but didn't put it in a way, it is still is still sort of. It's a transition because we're movie at and theoretically, I think we're moving from those IOS apps will not be the same either. Whereas not just a matter of moving the IOS apps to to the MAC and making them more MAC, like we're the hope I think is that you know, based on some of the other rumors that those the the way the IRS apps themselves will be changing to make them a little bit more MAC like. The classic transition. Now, the more I think about it. I get it that it's a transition. So I think you're right on that part. But the difference is that and I think apple itself did a very good job. Right. From the get-go of having all of their stuff was native on MAC OS ten they native is it air everything. And if you were using apple software you I mean. I mean, there might be some exceptions. But you know, for the most part the whole idea of classic was for third party stuff and apple couldn't make them. And there was no way. I understand enough about how it works. There was no possible way that they could make a classic version of an app. Look, like, a native MAC OS ten up. You know, then it had to look like it what it was. It's just the nature of how it works. Whereas there was no reason that apple couldn't write really great MAC apps for news, and stocks and voice recorder. Yeah. That's just no reason not to like, it's just very lar- it, I don't know. I don't want to keep going on. I just I just really hope that one of my key hopes, maybe my single biggest hope for WW DC this year is that when they unveiled the the the here's the real marzipan will be like what the hell were they thinking last year, right? As opposed to thinking God that was the beginning of the end. I don't want me to dramatic. But I honestly think if that's actual if those apps actually represent what apple thinks the future of the MAC is the end of the MAC, I mean, it sounds terribly dramatic. But I really hope it was just that for once. They actually thought well better than nothing. What else what else is in these leaks? There's so there's the bit about combining find my friends and five phone, and then that came with another little tidbit about them selling like tile. Yeah. Style things that you fixed fix to something that you lose frequently. And then you know, you're ever, and then you can use that app to find anything, right? That you find anything that you've attached the thing to do. And it sounds that sounds like a weird product for apple. Yeah. Although it makes it makes sense with that app. And given that they have all that infrastructure. It doesn't seem like that that extra pieces that hard to build right? Yeah. It's it does seem like sticky thing. Yeah. It does seem like a good idea to combine the two apps. You know at the tile product is very curious. I'm guessing does purely a guess, but I'm guessing that that tile thing is not a WW DC announcement in something that the support for its in the us, I guess which would suggest they think they're going to they might ship it within the next year. But that seems like something that they would unveil in like September new Vons, right? But really interesting. It'd be. Sometimes I worry too. I worry too about like apple stuff being too expensive. Like, I really do think. I don't think anybody at apple was food about like how popular home pod was going to be at three hundred fifty dollars. Like, I think they kind of knew that like in a market full of seventy dollars speaker things that people think are fun three hundred and fifty is really hot. But it really is like a three hundred and fifty dollar product. Although they just cut the price a little bit, right? Like three twenty nine hours. Yeah. Three hundred. Well, I think I think that as they can as they can reduce the price. I think they are reducing the price. I don't think it's I don't think it's so much a sign that they're it sales are so bad. They have to cut the price. I think it's the production costs have gone down. So they can reduce the price, but they built a very expensive speaker system three hundred bucks. I worry that apple might build three hundred dollar tile truckers. I worry I worry that apple will charge. You a service fee every month, detract, certain like, it's it's four dollars a month to track your keys. Do you? Is there anything that you would use that for? No, I don't think I don't think. So there's nothing that I pretty I may be like more meticulous than most about keeping track of things. So I rarely I I never lose my keys. I almost never lose my keys. I almost never lose my keys, and I'm pretty part of it is just by being fairly rigorous about only putting them. That's right. Exactly in there's one place where I put them when I come back in the headlines go right in the door. Right. It's either in the door in my pocket or in the car. And what else are you putting that might be you know, that might be helpful. I think he's already. And in theory, you could put it on a bag like I did have Amy got me. The tile truckers few years ago as a gift, and so I did put one in my back. I didn't know what else to do. I put it in my backpack. But I never lost my backpack and never used it. And then the battery died in tile track in the end. That was the end of the story very sweet gift clever because I had been thinking about it. And it is certainly it was, you know, about the only thing I really used it for it was testing it. You know, like I'd hide it somewhere and see if I could find it. Yeah. There. It is. But anyway, interesting interesting unveil their. Yeah, I think we just spent like two days trying to find Cairns. Airplane case, but that wouldn't help right. Because you couldn't put a tile on that. I kind of wish the case could you not want to dial on that. I don't know maybe the small enough. Yeah. Well, I'm I'm I don't know. Maybe I'm over managing for some reason. I was measuring apples. We'd be smarter than the title. I guess it probably made that jump. I just figured it's gonna be way smaller because that's always been my problem with the tile thing. One of my problems with it. It seems like it's I'm not gonna put one of those on my keys. Well, I mean because I know there's my keys very much. But it's another thing to put on my keys, and I've already got too many keys. Yeah. I keeps the obvious one. But I don't lose my keys in my daily. Carry key thing is just one key. So okay, see cars to fives. And then we have like door to door keys. Mailbox key g my in-laws house. Yeah. I don't have keys are the obvious solution. But it seems like apple wouldn't do it. If it was just keys may so maybe there's more to this. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot more to it. Or if when they announced whatever the thing is if it's so different that we have to think before we go back and think oh, wait about remember Rambo's nine to five leak about the tile trackers. That's that. You know, like, it might be that sort of story where it's really the tip of the iceberg. So what else was there? Let me look at this. Oh, dark modes coming to IOS another one that was long rumored, but the seemingly confirms it that seems weird to you at dark mode person. I am usually not always. But I I think it depends to me. Well, not on the MAC. No, I in inap- dark dark modes so like in tweet botox cetera. I use them run. I've run BB in dark mode for many years. I long ago I used to every three months or so getting word in switch. Switch the theme. I guess I had forgotten yet. It has a dark, man. Well for years, the it wasn't really like a system wide dark mode for the app, like the fine dialogue. Still look like a regular platinum appearance. Whatever you wanna call aqua appearance. It's just that. The actual text editor area would have dark background with light colors and BB at such a minimal app that whatever color. The text background is really is what color the app looks like. But I've for years now, I've kept it in dark Modin fits just somehow it sticks in my head. And I use it so often use it every day. I I like having it be in this very visually distinctive state where it doesn't look like all these other apps with the white in background. But I do that with terminal I yeah. So terminals another one right us like a blue background in terminal. So it doesn't look like BB at it with a dark dark gray background so terminal BB, edit I've always used a dark background just to have it looked. Different. Yeah. And I can't explain justify it's probably just purely arbitrary, and I could train myself to use dark mode system wide. But I don't but I don't even use. I never use it on the iphone. I don't it. I don't know if it's my eyes or what? But I pretty much run every app in light mode all day long, terminally only is terminally. Only thing. You can run run opaque. Yeah. I think so. Well, it's the only one where they expose it. Yeah. Yes. I do. I do a black background and make it slightly see through and green headaches. So it looks like it looks very matrix. Trying to think so dark mode. I know people are nuts for there's an introduction of a new standard. Undo gesture for the text input on pad. You'll do three finger tap or slide left and right or something to undo redo. And you think that may not be discoverable? But there's some apparently some sort of like, hey, first time, you're running it. They're going to tell you. Hey, you can do this and you can undo. So that's good. I was confused at first because I remembered that my ipad has undo buttons above the keyboard. But I had forgotten that the ipad pros as of today have a totally different keyboard than non-pro, ipads. So the ipad pros have like extra buttons like undo and redo that other ipad, don't even if they're running the same version of Iowa's twelve and the other ipads can still do the split view where you dry keyboard up, and it splits into two halves and inexplicably inexplicably. This is one of the most inexplicable things in all of apple to me. The bigger ipad the. Rose don't have the feature. I'm I the more. I think about I get so frustrated I cannot believe it like when I I try to end the work day and put the back away. And then you know, use the ipad my ipad iphone in the nighttime. As more of a relaxation day. I can't believe when I want to type out even just tweet. I type so much worse on my ipad than I do on my iphone. I'll actually put my ipad down take out my iphone right there. So that I can just use my thumbs. Anyway. But it wasn't like that on the original ones. Right. I mean, the the original proposals. You know, you could split it. It's just the new ones. Yeah. When they changed the Cy rain, they may even bigger than which made me think like maybe it had something to do with like the the camera like the face AD thing. But I doesn't make any sense. Yeah. I don't know. What else? Font management is getting a major update upgrade on IOS. And I wrote the data true finally for this one because it's just seems crazy. If you would've told me back in. Nineteen ninety two that, you know, seventeen years from now apple would have an eight year old comp- personal computer platform that didn't let you install you and fonts. Pants. I would've thought I would've thought. Oh my God. I bet I'll bet. Larry Ellison bought the company and turned it into division abortion or something, you know, like there's no other way. How could that be possible? So, you know, for something that people are supposed to quote, unquote, work on its, you know, I really hope that they they do a nice job with that. Because it seems important. Yeah. Then there's this sidecar thing. What's that? So that's where you can use the ipad as a. Oh, yeah. That sounds interesting. Another monitor right. Several people were businesses or is it a threat? I have I have the Luma product. Luna a little red loon. That's it's a little red dawn goal that you put on your MAC, and then it acts as a display port or whatever. Thunderbolt? I I forget which version I for my old MAC, but whatever it looks to MAC like it's an external display, but it's really just a little Don goal little tiny dangled plugged in. But then it shoots the image over to the Luna app on your ipad. You can use the ipad in it. It works pretty well. And I have an I've, you know. So I spent a hundred dollars or whatever it costs to see it and was impressed and never use it because I have no need for. Yeah. That's my adult. That's why I don't have it. I'm sure it's useful for. I mean, I can think that there are many people who would have that. Yeah. Yeah. But well, but it also seems and as impressive as a third party ship that product and got it has it were. As well as they do it really seems like it's something that has to be built into the system to really work, well and to get the API support. So that MAC apps can totally understand that they might be getting apple pencil input. Yeah. Right. Because it's the holy grail of of that wrap ligation. Right. Trying to think I guess there's not much more not worth going through them one by one other than the that basic general. Meta story of Hannah world did all this stuff league rain. Let me take a break here. And thank our third and final sponsor, and I'm very excited about this. Because it's a longtime favorite of mine things. From cultured code, look, we all have things to do. Things helps you achieve your goals. Things started life as an award-winning MAC app. Now has I o s counterparts. In fact, the IOS app was one of the first five hundred apps in the app store. Terrific rock-solid sync between all of the client. So you can keep everything in sync across all your devices in always has had a terrific interface to time apple design award winner, very very cool interface very simple to use. But they had a major redesign with things version three just two years ago. And since then since the redesigned two years ago, they've been adding features at a very very regular clip. This is one this is an app, it doesn't bother badger you with updates but updates come on a regular basis, and they're very significant and they just keep adding support for new stuff the latest and greatest in the OS. So maybe you tried it long ago sided against it. If you looked at it a while back. It really is worth taking a fresh look because it's just keeps getting better. And better. It's very simple to do the easy stuff. Just organizing to dues. They have a system wide shortcut for quick entry, which makes it really easy to add something from anywhere. And they've added new features like mail two things you can send Email from any device anywhere. Have it added to your things account? They have tags which is very very important to me. I don't know that I would use the app without it. That's how I liked to organize. My stuff you tag stuff, then you can look at everything tagged with the same tag. Got them all group together you can add elaborate notes to an individual item. You can add checklist to an individual item or at item can just be, you know, just a simple reminder to, you know, go to the grocery store, it really has you covered for the simplest stuff to organizing really complex projects in a way that the whole project is there when you want to look at it. But you're just list of stuff you want to do today. Is in a separate area the app all very well organized beautiful to look at an easy to use super easy to figure out and hey, they support all sorts of stuff any OS Unimak. They have action and today extensions. So you can see it over there and your little today area on the right side of your MAC. They have a watch app the integrate with the system reminders and calendar series shortcuts and one of my favorites, apple script support. It's a great great cap. It really is use it every day. I've been using it for years, and it's really it's one of my favorite apps. Now, if you think it might be a nurse you. Here's what you do. They have a free trial for the MAC, just go to their website things app dot com. Download the app get a free trial do not panicking. Just try it. What it why not try things if you aren't already using it? It really is a great app makes me happy every day. And I just love to see a terrific native MAC app continued to be updated and do so. Well, so my thanks to things for supporting the talk show. Anything else has anything we missed on this before we we wrap it up any other stories. I don't think you've talked about the Qualcomm thing did you. Oh god. No. We didn't talk about Qualcomm. That was. Yeah. There's the other Big Sur I knew it was a big one. Yeah. There we go. Now, we have a final act. So what so Qualcomm and apple we're fighting for years. Big stakes. Apple started withholding billions of dollars in royalty fees. Basically. The I guess there's two sides of it where there are actually Qualcomm chips and in the area of modems. They are the clear leader worldwide in charged for it accordingly. And then there's the patent licensing which is patent licenses that Qualcomm charges, even if you weren't using their chips and apple seemingly took a deep moral outrage to this and felt that they were being charged for things they weren't paying for that Qualcomm didn't deserve. And then there were other aspects of it this part, I learned and I'm glad I learned it. So I didn't shoot my mouth off and have to do a follow up. But I knew that the one way that Qualcomm was charging for the license fees was based on the overall cost of the device. So instead of saying, okay, this is a seven dollar part, and you can put the seven dollar part in one hundred dollar phone or a five hundred dollar phone or a thousand dollar phone. Instead, they would charge you based on what the price of the phone was for the price of the part. And then so apple because they they make more expensive phones was paying more for the same either chips or licensing fees that other company where they saw this as deeply unfair. Always thought that was a little curious for apple to take an objection to because that's exactly how the app store words. Right rich. Apple I have to agree with them that it doesn't really sound fair. But on the other hand, you know, if if a dollar app. Yeah. That I used to work in the financial services industry and it used to drive me insane because we would get certain software products. And a lot of the companies would charge you not based on the number of seats of users or whatever, but they would charge you how much charge you for assets under management. Number stored in the system. This still does exactly the same thing. Whether you have a big number or a small number, right? And that's also the sort of thing where I I mean, I enjoy having money. I I'm trying to run a successful business. I think I'm doing. Okay. I believe in capitalism overall. I don't want to go on a whole rant about that. But, but there is a part of me that has a sense of shame, and so I- pricing scheme like that would never occur to me. Like my job is to come up with. How do we charge multi company for our software and how we want to make more money? I might think of some ways to make more money. You know, like, you know, kind of thing where if they have x number of seats, they have to pay more or something. It would never occur to me to charge by assets. But there's. What? But somebody thought of it and it worked and they're probably sitting on an island somewhere they own. But anyway, apple objected to that. And they were fighting. And you know, they're going to court, and they even went to court, they even had a full day in court. Yeah. And then in the interest. Is one of the interesting parts of the story. Right because. The the question was who who blinked in? It's seems like it was probably apple. Yeah. Because it just it's these things often do settle they sometimes do go to court, but it's really unusual to go to court and start it. And then settle right away. And then later in the same day Intel announced they were getting out of the business of making five G dealer motives for mobile devices. So you kind of see what the problem was here, which is that if apple ever wants to have a five G iphone, ipad and somebody may remembered I did not that Apple's first LT product was the ipad, not the on iphone? Oh, I five. I LT e iphone the five phone iphone five came out after the first LT capable ipad, which actually makes a lot of sense at a technical level. You think like, hey, the iphones going to get it because that's the that's the favorite child. That's the flagship product of the company, but these new chipsets tend to be bigger and hotter and not as integrated onto a single tiny thing. And the ipad is a lot bigger and has it much huger battery and therefore right out of simple, basic technical level would be a lot easier to support T E or coming soon. Five g. Yeah. Yeah. So it seems as though Mike theory, Mike, take on the whole thing is that Apple's plan a was to rely on Intel for these chips going forward, and you know, like the last year like two years ago there were some iphones that had Qualcomm modems and some that had Intel it's a very Anapa like situation because the Qualcomm ones were better. They right. They were you know, at network engineers, tested them and found that they were like thirty percent more efficient. So they got like a stronger signal under more conditions and use less energy while doing so and it was all based on like which carriers you had around the world. Which as one of the articles? I read said from somebody who obviously has sources at the carriers was like it. You know, like, I think AT and T got the bad ones. Didn't really endear apple today. TNT? Like Intel or Verizon had to get the good ones from Qualcomm because Qualcomm were the only ones that supported both CDMA and whatever the opposite of GSM. So because Verizon had the shittier CDMA network. They got the better iphones. But then last year they went all Intel it's Intel across the board. And that put an everybody's who seems to know these things I don't know Jack about cellular modems, I although I, although I do know from reading all of this that it is apparently devilishly tricky. It is not surprising that one company like Qualcomm has a big lead. Because it is apparently devilishly tricky and each jump up in networking, you think. Wow. That's amazing so much faster. But the ways that it works to get faster are incredibly tricky. Like the details of how five G works. It's it sounds insane. I guess they're they're plan. Was let's go the stick with Intel. So we can keep fighting Qualcomm. And I think that they were there were some reports that Intel is was behind. Yeah. Like fast company had a good story. Apple obviously knew they weren't going to be shipping. Five Jeep chips anytime right here future, right or at least not on Apple's timetable. Whatever that timetable is. So they had to settle. But how do you settle when you're? Between a rock and hard place. Right like, and it's, you know, the terms were not disclosed exactly, you know. But there's Qualcomm did the closest they got to exposing terms was Qualcomm revealed what an increase in earnings per share. They expected because of this and it was like two to three dollars earnings per share per quarter or something like that. And so somebody who could do the math on that figured out. You know? You know, it was like, you know, seven or eight nine billion dollars a year or whatever you do. I don't know what the number was. I don't know. I don't have it's interesting because apple as they often do did seem to take a moral stance on this. But it's hard. Not to also think this was all about the money. Yeah. Yeah. Had to be. I mean, will you? I mean, when you have one supplier, though, becomes does become pretty difficult, and they're probably paying a lot more than they. Right. Well, if they were if they were like at least a couple players and right? The other expert or is that apple is working on their own modems. Yeah. Ryan pantley are years away. But, but but very very full steam ahead. I would imagine. And my mother standing is they've set up their own facility, which is near Qualcomm. And they're just like they're trying to poaching. As many Qualcomm engineers as they can. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's in San Diego, right? Qualcomm town. I remember Qualcomm is the Padres park like Qualcomm stadium. I don't know. It'd probably should probably. I still remember Qualcomm is the company that bought you Dora. Yeah. That was a bit ago. And then wrecked it you. But that's that's neither here. Now, speaking classic MAC ups. Yeah. I don't know. What else to say about it other than I think? Oh, no, they play at Petco park. Okay. Okay. That's at least a little fun that, you know, at least it conjures up fun imaging there ever really likes animals. So do you know how Bill you know, how Bill Gates and his wife have Bill and Melinda gates have spent the last few decades spending their enormous fortune on charitable Dem's around the world, vaccinations and a lot of Healthcare's related stuff beaten beaten malaria. I think they're getting kids glasses and stuff like that. You know, really a noble use of of an enormous fortune. I worry deeply that. If I if I had a Bill Gates enormous fortune. I would waste it. Fixing the naming rights for stadium. No. I don't know. I I would do is. I would go back. I wouldn't want to put my name on any of them. I would want to go to the White Sox and say I want to buy out guaranteed rate field and rename it commission. This I want this renamed Comiskey park. I would like to give them all good names spiteful names because I'm not a fan of their team. I would just like I would like all of these ballparks to have a nice name that you know, hell we might name. I might have the Mariners field named Edgar Martinez and ago. I don't know. I mean, something like that. Sure. What a waste of before. God. I wish I had a fortune waste. I'd be so good at it. All and people would be so mad imagine. How mad they would be. Could've been could've been helping to actually solving real problems. But White Sox fans would be out. I know. No. Yeah. Some people would definitely be Abby. I'd never have to buy a drink in Chicago again. Even even though I'd have this enormous origin of billions of dollars, and can you? Better spent just by yourself, some drinks and. Curing disease. Gary, I knew we had one more major story. I'm so glad that you remembered it I don't really have much to say about I guess, the only other upside I can think of is that this may not be good for apple. It's you know, I don't have any form. Yeah. I mean at least for now. I mean, I think that the competition now is going to be between apple and Qualcomm. But it's gonna take them like you said a few years. I always I wonder what I haven't kept up until very much, but it seemed like a number like five or six years ago. People were saying, oh, they're getting into a are they getting into these these modem ships? So that are going to be you know, gangbusters because there until and you're so big, and they can do anything. And now they're like. They're downsizing. They're not successfully they've they've dropped. The Ray our stuff. They've dropped them the five G chips the modem chips in it. It's a bit ignominious that there. It's like this is like totally complete there any attempt at getting into the mobile game. Yeah. It is kind of ignominy given how what an ass kicking company. They were in the PC era. And how just it's just hard to overstate how dominant they they were in along with Microsoft, but Microsoft is still doing their thing. Yeah. Microsoft is later turned it around to a large degree, right, right? The tel. Sat Medalla as as really turn this. You know, turn that company around there. You know, doing different things but doing well. But man, oh, man. It's very it seems very painfully obvious that Intel should have in some sense of the word should should have been a killer company in mobile chips. Yeah. And now, they can't even make a modem. I know. And I know I just got done. I still on. So unfair. Because I just got done saying how do devilish Turkey the whole thing. They made make some modems, but they just didn't go well enough to make it a good business now. It does fit with the cook doctrine, which I think is interesting. I I always linked to Horace dead you summary of it. And it some statement of like sort of mission statement at Tim cook gave I don't know if it when it was I became CEO or maybe he was still COO and it longer it actually spouses more than this. But the part that always sticks with me that one of the things apple does according to Stockton is owning and controlling the primary technologies behind the products that apple makes. And I think they obviously miscalculated on these cellular modems years ago. I'm on the on the flip side, one of the least heralded, but I think most astounding strategic successes in the history of the industry, let alone just apple was their decision to get into the mobile chip game with that. What was the company they want? Remember, just a it was a small investment overall, and you know, turned it into these a series processors, and I just I still remember the the keynote where they announced I think it was the a four was the first one, and that that was their design in the pride that Steve Jobs had in it was so palpable. It was like I just remember thinking like from this listening to the way he announced it that this really wasn't about this for chip. This is about like Apple's future. Like, it was very big deal to him in in hindsight. It it truly is. I think they might have miscalculated on when they should have gotten into the cellular moment because it may be miscalculated at how what a stranglehold one company. Qualcomm was going to have over it. Yeah. Well. Ideally, they will have set themselves up a little bit better sometime down the road. The upside for us as users is we'll get better modems because all come better. And hopefully, we'll get you know, maybe we'll get five g phones better. I don't really care. I don't I have to say it's not all rolled out yet. And right. And it's not even. Structure, even like, yeah. I mean, there's so much that needs to be done in order for it to be truly meaningful that. There's miss thinking that it's going to come in two thousand twenty maybe but it may not come into twenty one. But it's probably not going to be that big a deal. Well, and yeah. And the other thing is I have to say, my LT service is excellent most places go like, I can't think of I'm trying to think of things I do we're having something even faster would be better. I, you know, it's pretty pretty hard to come up with anything like I stream video at the highest resolution, I want I mean, I guess there's actually reaches a little bit more of an issue than than we'd really right and penetrating into like basements or Vic buildings, and it seems it sounds to me like five G has a lot of problems in that area. But with we shall see. But at the very least it's better modems for for iphone users. John. Thank you. Thank you. There was one more thing. Here we have one more thing. One more thing we could do it quickly. You said before I thank God. I forgot this. I didn't forget it. You still use an iphone SE? Yes. And there was a rumor recently separately from GM Rambo this an apple. Yeah. Go is going to do. They're going to do a new iphone eight with updated internal. So like like like the Mariners. We started with the Mariners. Not sending my heart on their early. Good performance when we can close on on me, not getting my heart set on rumors of a smaller phone. I will believe it when I see it. I hope that they make a smaller phone, even if it is. I would still rather be smaller than the eight form factor. Right. Because the SEC is is much more of the sweet spot sweet spot for me. And particularly I just had my my vision checked in my prescription changed. Now. I can I can read things better. Because I'm at the age. I've I've so old now that my my nearsightedness is correcting itself and so. Overcompensating dial back down and now I can now I can read texts better. And so now, my my SEC is, you know, I don't have to pump up the text. And it's not like getting four words on the front of it. So I I'm back all in on small phones, it it sounds right to me that the if they were going to do another SE type thing that doing it in the iphone eight size factor. Sounds about right. Even though I know for the those like you, my friend, Mike Davidson, who's a huge aficionado of that smaller size. And really really was to just bitching to me the other day about his iphone ten s being too guy. Ambig-? Yeah. I know that you would rather have it be smaller? But the aid is definitely I just picked it off my desk when the rumor hit it, it feels smaller and most importantly lighter. It is a lot lighter. Right. Then then the tennis was I mean, I had a six and then as a success. So I've lived with that form factor for like a year and a half before. Yeah. Before the came out before you hit the jackpot. The temporary Jack by which I've spent all of. This phone. This phone is now three years old. That's amazing. Which is the first. I mean, it's definitely the first iphone than abuse for that long. Yeah. As a good shape you. Yeah. It's a case. Of course. Because I because I this thing I'm not not risking. And I think we have your support. Get we're running out of of clearance ones. Yeah. He's four devastating pretty like unless they want to get a rose gold one. I better take good care of it. It's like my my collection of apple extended. Keyboard teas. Now, I know you live. I wanted when my second one broke my my first one lasted for so long and my second one, which was used start broke. And I suspect was never taken this as good of care of before. I started using it. So and and then the one I'm on now was literally new in box when I started using it, and my one of my rules is no games. I'm not allowed to play games on my MAC because press too hard on qisas things if babies gotta last week for a long time. You need a second gaming keyboard? Right. Yeah. Anyway, John molds. I thank you very much. You got a bunch of other podcasts. But you've got the one of them is turning this car around with our friends, Dan, and Dan. That is John Armstrong and likes Friedman, and then on arms throwing expedient isn't that have kids yet? And then the rebounds, Dan, and lex and the speedy aero cast with our good friends. Dan. And dying. I knew it was I knew he was on one of the shows. Well, they're all good shows that I obviously listen to all the time. I'm so glad you listened to the speedy against. Yeah. That's fair. Did not. I got I got notifications on them. Out of that one. They're really means something to me.

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Episode 18: Idaho!

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Episode 18: Idaho!

"Yea episode eighteen. Hello, everybody. Welcome. Welcome back. Thanks for tune into our special episode from quarterlane. That's right. We're fucking quarterlane Idaho. And we made it without any issues. Really that big other than me hitting us snowbank that is fine. It wasn't a big deal. It was fine. It was fine. We got here without any issues. Yeah. We did. We have an amazing hotel room, our hotel rooms awesome. Will do a Facebook live here pretty soon. Yes, we will show you it's not quite the lodge. But it's it's really nice nice. We're pretty happy with it. Are we drinking number low right now? No this at dessert wine. That's all right. We are drinking as infidel. Well, let's change this chain. Ooh. Ooh. It's very smooth. And of wishes it's supposed to be a dessert wine. It's from it's from their ascent line. Yes, we do have some brownies here. Also. So we are actually kind of having dessert with our wine. Yes, they're not special brownies. So we're guys. Yeah. They're just they're whole wheat Brown. They're actually Heather friendly browley. So I guess they are kind of special. So we have arrived here in quarterlane had a nice trip over. It was a nice day. The sun was out for part of the day assault of the mall. We've stopped the mall and the way here in spokan. We've got something we're not going to mention just in case. Everybody's listening. We've got a surprise for someone. We did. So then we got free surprises for our selves. We did get free surprises. Yes. It will post that pitcher later probably from next week. Yeah. Because that will give away the surprise for. I mean, I don't understand is not for somebody is for Megan. Or assistant. Yeah, we have to get her a surprise because she's not with us. Yeah. And she kind of knows that this prize is well, she doesn't anymore because they were out of it. Surprise now. So it's a different surprise in what she's expecting? But we'll post that later because in case you listen to this. We don't want to let you think you really listens to she probably doesn't. She's the best manager. Gotta love her. I know thank you. Megan for not ever listening to our podcast. Because we talk about you all the time. We really do we do. But we did good are multiple surprises today did although the cookies are failing. Oh, man. So you have the most laziest for confront desk. People right now, the first one we checked it with amazing. She was awesome. I loved her. Now, we have some too lazy ass boys at the at the different desk, and we're talking boys. Yeah. They look like they should not be able to be old enough to work here. And they're supposed to have after six o'clock cookies at the front desk. Yes. There was two when we walked in to that's all they had ten we have a fucking gallon size ziplock bag that we have to fill up for Megan yet. But you probably shouldn't have told them that. Told all these guys know the front desk people I tell them that you said, hey, this isn't enough. We have a gallon sized bag. We're trying to fill up. Well, and then he didn't carry said we'll do what we can do. We'll try. We'll try and I knew that. And then he went back to his phone looking at his phone. I'm like trying anything you're not. You're not doing anything. He sucks. He's. Yeah. I I'm not a fan. No fan. We might say something tomorrow about how crappy the front desk. People are at night. Yeah. We should start Heather wants to start calling and asking for shit. I am I was thinking about calling every ten minutes for pillows, and then blankets, even though I don't need them. And what else was I o shampoo towels tells a razor. Yeah. All different times says to make them have to put their phone down and come up and do something for us for every ten minutes come upstairs and do something I might fucking to that. It would make it an interesting night for sure. So this is the first dance competition in six years Kobi five for me that we are not him. I guess a seven years for you and six for me because this is the six year, even though we danced for ideas for five or six, and this is your seventh and my Evan year six and we dance and we're not dancing. We're just spectating in time. Amazing, and we're having so much fun. Because if you don't have to dance you don't have to worry about your costume. No, your hair and your make sure you have eyelashes. And it's so you know, that guys when you dance you have to bring eyelashes sake. Eyelashes? It's more fun to say you have to bring I lock you have to pay take them off a person to try to glue the fake eyelashes onto yourself, which I learned after the second competition my first year after I glued them on the fridge in the nationals. I tried to glue on on my right eye. Four times could not get the little fucker. Her on on. I finally got pissed through it on the floor and stepped on it and said fuck you and I've never worn fake eyelashes since every time which hold we have to wear fake eyelashes. I say, no, we don't you get away with it with your gloves while I wear glasses too. So you can't really see him as much and I'm sorry. I'm not putting those little shits on because they're horrible. They've really are. I've gotten really lucky mostly years because I usually have people that really know what they're doing putting them on me. Yeah. Last year at the regionals someone who didn't know what they were doing put them on because Heidi was super busy. My twin was super busy that usually puts them on me and someone else put me, mommy, and they didn't put them on. Right. And everything I every time I blinked the glue kind of glued my eyes together. Yeah. And I remember I was in the middle of the on stage and one of my eyes glued together. And I just keep dancing and pretending that was fantastic with a big all smile with my. I like we I was like I was a permanent, wink, the judges and everybody. Yeah. That's not fun. No. It was super stressful last year. Mary stressed. It was very stressful last year because we had we are in two. Big groups a hip hop group in tap group would the other dolts with all the other jolts. And then we decided we would also want to do our tech with our too many me's. Yes. And so it was just the four of us Tet, which it really failed it failed it failed hard it. Like, we should have been booed off the stage every time, but they didn't which I was shocked by. Yeah. I think the clapping and applauding at the end was like thank fucking God. It was done. I think it was just you know. Yeah. You've got your brave enough to get on stage. We did our van. But yeah. Yeah. Clap, clap, we you you did your best didn't really though, we well, we did our best did I mean, and it was horrible. It was horrible. Like our best was like the one of the worst. Well, part of the problem too. Was that Heather kept telling our teacher. Yes. To make the dance really hard. What didn't think they would really do it the hard? I just wanted to be as easy as dude. It was so hard that. We couldn't never get it. Right. But most of the time when you could see that someone's like any the core offer you change it. But they didn't. I know. And it was it was just it was hard because a hard dance to do. And we just couldn't get it down. No, no. So we suck pretty bad. Oh, we go through it stressful. But we got through it. We got. Through nationals and regional somehow FM dance made it through free journals and actually qualified for nationals, which I we were. So both hoping that it wouldn't have. So have the brought it to national has it was bad. But we did oh that's happening this year now. So now, we're totally relaxed this year only all you don't have to dance you just get to wash which is so fun. And we only watch like what five the else's tonight? Yeah. Not very many other. We got the leave right afterwards until he left to go whine tasty. I mean, of course, you know, gotta go on tasting. If you don't have to be there, unless we went to the best winery. The one array went to was exit called the corn, Elaine sellers. It was so good. I loved it. They were so friendly our waitress Tricia, she was so amazing. She was absolutely fantastic. She just kind of picked out our wine tastings for us. And she picked really good stuff. Yes. She did. It was phenomenal. And then we got some appetizers which were a so we got this ARA choke spinach dip with gluten free Crocker's in the had salami with a and then we had a desert one which was goat cheese. What kind of nuts was it has I- pecans? Yeah. It was good. Honey, and raisins, I think they were crazy craisins. It was delicious. And there was some kind of like Graham cracker things. So good. Oh, so one was savory in one was sweet. And it was so oh my God. I loaded up the it was so amazing. And then after that we went to WinCo I've never been to Olin Koga new there. It was interesting. It's kind of. Like a cross between a Costco, and it's just a regular grocery store. Yeah. Some of the food pavilion or something. They have really their bulk stuff like those highs. Oh, yeah. I'll sorry, Jeff. I hope you don't listen to this right away. Looked you said the moon pies. Oh, he's Ali. I hope he doesn't listen to listen to our podcast right at Jeff. Aksa prize? Ruined it. I'm so sorry me on he won't listen to it till actually get back. But he may not that's okay. Like Thors behind. Yeah. So maybe just behind. Oh, so now, we're back in our room is awesome. Our rooms very nice. We has a full kitchen. We actually have a bar in our bar. I mean who would have thought it. I know we're so excited that we would get a bar with three baller Stolz. We have this huge dining room. Nice living room. Yeah. And then our bedroom actually overlooks the bar. Yeah. I mean, it's like the perfect setup. Iran seen a room like this before our bathrooms kind of awkward, but it's it's adequate we could see psych long and narrow it's kind of weird and the toilet basically, kisses the shower. Yeah. The toilets I get like right next to the shower. Like, literally like, I can be taken a shit, and I can touch cope in the shower. You can wash your own hair in the shower while you're taking issue. Oh, my God this tasking at its highest. Hopefully, no one wants us to demonstrate that if they do I'm not going to do that. Sorry. But if you want to do that for yourself, you just come to the days in court, Elaine, and then you can you can attempt that task all on your own. You could say I did that. Then would be accomplishment. Yeah. So tomorrow will have a lot more dance into watch. Don't that much though summit? Yeah. Yeah. We might to another podcast tomorrow like from the dance. Come. I think we might do is going to be kind of spread out throughout the day for you guys will just be the thirty forty minutes for us. It's going to be like full ten hours. Yeah. Yeah. But I think we're going to keep guys upstate on what we're doing. Yeah. Maybe we'll record a little bit from inside when that'd be fun. The record during dance. I think we could because it's not video. So I'm sure they would let us do it. It's audio and they may not even know what they've this looks like a cell phone does. And I think they just don't want you to do video or take pictures. I think yeah, we're not going to be holding up towards screen. Yeah. We're holding towards our selves. So we can record ourselves. Yes. So I think it should be fine. I think it will be fun. Yeah. We'll go to some wine. Series tomorrow too. And we have our amazing wine drinking team sweatshirts, and we're going to be rocking. With our meddlesome for sure. Yeah. For wear medals. Our metals we got last year. Yeah. Going to wear them and say that we're wind drinking champions this year. Yes. I think that that's going to work out. Really? Well. Heather bought all the spotlight Pence. They had for sale I'm gonna buy more blue ones throughout the week doubt. As many as I can these pens are awesome because it's a pen. But on the other end, it's a highlighter which a lot of people need that shit for the work. I how it's awesome to have the pen in highlighter own. Nobody understands how awesome that is. I mean, I think we do. But I don't think many other people in the world to sparkly guy. Did he Ted? This guy was in like the most sparkly blazer. I've ever seen in my f- in life had sequence over one hundred percent of the blazer. Yeah. There isn't a tiny bit of this blazer. That was I bet you the buttons were sequenced on this thing. And he said, it wasn't the only one he had no no any seem quite pleased that we commented on this sequence Placer. And he's not dancing. The best part about dance competitions as seen everybody their costumes. Like, I said, he wasn't dancing that was his normal attire. Yeah. But if you work for a spotlight dance, you could probably get away with sequence. I guess you should why shouldn't he get a sequence jacket when women can wear sequence dresses. Yeah. Why sequence? Why can't why can't he? Yeah. He should help. I mean, maybe I'll go sequence blazer ever. No. I just might do that might sound. Okay. I had sequined tank top before that I used to wear to like fancy parties, but not anymore. I think I've been gave away. You did what I came away my sequencing top. Why would you do that? Because I never wore it. Well, what if you would've now of this competitions you have to wear a sequined tank top? But when the occasion arises, do you want to have to go buy another one, not really, no? But I mean, I bought it wasn't expensive. It was from old navy. That's when the sequence called tops were really fastened. Yeah. Yeah. You don't see them as much. No, no. That probably is a good indication that they're not in fashion. No, more sequent. Yeah. Well, unless you're at spotlight. Unless you're in a dance club different than sequences a must or like dancing with the stars. Or if you're on the bachelor. Oh, yeah. You have to work a lot of sequences there. And feathers feathers seems to be a big thing feathers is a big thing and lots of spandex spandex. Yeah. So we've been having a good time. We have our plan for tomorrow. Yeah. We actually get the sleep in kind of my to get to sleep in get the leisurely do our breakfast and get ourselves ready. And yeah, it'll be a great day. It's nice. I'm excited for it. We have a couple of wineries to go to tomorrow. Joey, do we got some advice the last winery, but we're we should go. I almost think we're might go back to that one. Again, tomorrow was so such a nice winery, and they were so friendly there. And a lot of people knew where we lived in the wineries around where we live which all set. Ours are amazing too. 'cause they are shoutouts smell winery because with Karen because she's favorite there. My love care glove. You will change the her team to Karen. I'm actually shouted out to them too at the one they actually mentioned why did I think it's one of the premier amazing wineries of Angie, I it. If you go if you're ever want answer, you guys. Go to help their tasting room downtown one AFC on the way, Nancy avenue. By by the walkabout, girl. Yeah. And they're very good. They're very friendly. It's very reasonable prices. Mine effects lawn. And if you go in there and tell them Heather and Jacoby sent you. I'm not saying you're going to discount, but you'll get some extra special treatment. Yeah. Because they love us in Russian. If you find Karen. I'm going to say you're only at special tree me. Find Karen nobody else is going to give you that there except for her. But she pretty much I feel she lives there for the most part. She Sarah lot mo-. I would say ninety percent of time. I come in there. It's her. Yeah. Yeah. She Sarah till they young man. That's in there. He's decent to. I don't really care as long as they fill my wine glass up like massively. It's not tasting. I don't wanna taste. I just fill my glass up every time. I would say I want it one time we went in there, and we're doing tasting and we didn't realize I mean, we're waiting to get the next tasting 'cause they do at one time. Oh, yeah. And Heather just grafted tight. They weren't looking. No, just grab the entire bottle. And we went and sat down with it. As much better that way because we got to taste the wine. Apparently, you're not supposed to do that. They'll come over the bottle from us very quickly. It was a joke. I know you can't take that. I was like really I thought I was helping you out. You're a busy. I just grab the bottle. And we thought we'd sit ourselves over here. And you didn't have to worry about us. Sells goes just help. Ourselves tall of your white presently. You're not supposed to apparently. But I know they're so double we've two new little friends with snore are bowl with start the bull. We were told him about north bowl. I don't know if we have. So we're on our way to a Mariners game not last summer the summer before. Yeah. And we were hungry, and but we were short on time because we had to get to this game. Yeah. So we stopped at a McDonald's and Coby nine decided to get happy meals. And they were doing beanie babies, and we each got a snort which is a little red bowl bulls. Name snorts at high beanie, baby. Yes. And he's so cute, and we got him in her happy meal and snort has been going with us to Oliver adventures ever since he goes he was out the lodge. He has been lodged two times now us he's here today. He's right next to the little recorder thing. And so when we first got them each have snort, yes. On our way to the mariner game. We went to the game and parked. It the top in the parking garage on the top cause tops best to chops the best. So that we can have some sunshine. Yes, we went down. It was still a while before they opened the gates to walked down to crispy cream villa? Guys. Wanna Krispy Kreme Krispy Kreme and walked down? There. Got a box of doughnuts. Barely remember. Crispy cream. Can we were drinking our drinking came back to the car, and we were drinking wine either? No, it was it was it was tequila was tequila sukey law. So that goes pretty quick you can't take that stuff in the park. So we drink it all in the car, very quick Aren parking lot. And so by the time the security guy will do. All the security guard is like wandering around right there. But he we're like made friends with him and we're talking to him. So he didn't really care. What we did. I don't think he cared. But so by the time they went into the park in the game started Heather Nyerere pretty much wasted. Yes. And my God this so far. There's so many funny things that happened at this thing. Well, before we are right in the hundred level with literally like what ten rose up from the feeling like Koby literally was able to put her hand on the there is a pitcher of dirt honor hand that she touched the field set. I wanna touch the field. So we went down and touch the field leaned over the thing and rubbed my hand on the dirt. And then I took a picture of it what front of the security guard. He didn't say anything. Well, most of the time we told him we just need to feel touch the fields. And he said, okay. He didn't care. I had I have a picture, and then I showed my husband too because him getting snacks. No. I said look I have. Dirt on my hand from the field. It's feel dirt feels field. And I've dared on my hand. I don't think he was super impressed. 'cause I think he thought that he was a little barris that we were touching the field our attention. Well, it wasn't even we I was just photographing in encouraging. Yes. Yeah. Because I didn't have any desire touch the field. I just wanted to touch it. I get it. And I was very encouraging this just a big baseball game. She is and yeah I wanted to. I mean, I'm not a huge baseball person. Because seriously is the only major it's only professional sport. I feel like other than golf that people can be obedient. Sport is that. But it's okay. I get a guys if you are that good of a sport that you don't have to move around much, and you just get out doing it. Fantastic for you, also. Them. Well, then we it was a night where they were giving away bubble heads. We got somebody bubble house. And so each had got one and then apparently, Heather narrabeen so obnoxious. Can you imagine that I can't fucking believe people thought we were up in the auction that we're being so obnoxious that everyone around us left? They she's left. We like have nobody beside us. Nobody in front of us know any behind us, and yeah. People left ship behind. Yeah. So the two that's how quick they were trying to get away from us to people hind us left there to bubble heads in the boxes. So Heather grabbed him bulletin said these remind now, and they also left a baby blanket. Oh, I love that blanket. So Heather took the very bady point. It wasn't dirty leave sane. It was dirty. And so. Dirty blankets say to my car for so long. I know. And so we went after the game was over. We went back to the car to drive home a second three hour dry. Kobe was tired. I was so like wanted to pass out. So I'm in the backseat and lay down to to go to sleep on my husband's lap. Go. It's like here's a blanket. She had to blanket it's not too late. I realize it's dirty. That she picked up from the floor of the fricken. Oh my God. Coke feel wasn't dirty. It was dirty. It didn't stink. Do you? Also. Remember, the nachos yell. We'll yeah. Because those are good even off the floor. If you so if you go to manor game you can buy nachos. And plastic baseball helmet. And you get to keep the helmet. Yeah. You can wear it. His this is what they're doing. What we were trying to field are fun. Nachos. And they're not. I remember the notches be really good. They're really good. And there was a lot of aspects of it. I could pick around and eat. Yeah. So Heather's husband though, accidentally dropped the Nacho shocker into the floor. Yeah. That's meant cement concrete floor of the stadium. Yes. So that was a mound guys. It's a mount that's like a mountain of nachos. Okay. So any do the pitcher this before Kobe goes on any further? It's a mountain. So. This thing is raised off of the cement, so get your mountain of nachos. Please. Go ahead. Go ahead and trial, embarrass me. Now. Nachos or on the dirty cements a mountain guys. Riser of stadium. All of them were touching on the grounds. And people have walked they weren't all touching the ground and Heather says. I'm still going to eat them. They're still good. And I was like no there on the floor. Heather there on the ground. I was just taking the talk. All right. I'm only eating the top the tops, not bad. Let me just take the top off. And I can still. I like you're eating nachos of the ground of Safeco field. Yes. So I need to stop. Well, I did eventually because I wasn't eat anything actually touched the ground. Poor thorn. Helmet. Back to the concession stand. Actually gave him free. Nachos. They did like I I dropped them. And they felt they remembered him they did in may fell out. They didn't give him a new one south or got new ones, and he came back, and I was trying to eat the other ones all the ones off the floor. Yeah. Yeah. And then I stopped at that point. Because we got new ones. I got. Yeah. I hear some there's people next door guys in there laughing. I wonder what they're doing. I don't know. Maybe are the podcast will go. Check him out. You guys look good time. Yeah. We won't have a good time to we should bang on wall. Maybe I mean, I did that at the lodge when I got really upset about the people making a thunderous earthquake noise from above us. Oh that. Yeah. I literally was across the old lady on the on the chair with the broomstick were banging on the ceiling. And I told you to do it not thinking that you went actually do it. What fucking did it? She gave me the idea, but it was a joke. But it was not a joke. And now, I know that I'm going to do it just not to give her the idea to start with. I mean, people you don't need the run when you're on the top floor of a only of a hotel if your child you don't Onny better the parent does they don't care to hand care about the children. I'm noticing that as children are not bothering them. They don't care. I knew. Because I ended up having to put your plug this. I had to do mines then breathing to get myself. So I wasn't about ready to go up there and rip people are like I'm gonna call. I'm calling the friend. I did call and they didn't do anything. But I mean, they call them and then it stops for like two minutes. And then it started again. I was up there. Banging on the ceiling again with my little my broomstick and my chair, and then he left the chair and the middle of red. She fell on it. And then I fell on the mill, and then I actually move the chair. Why is this chair so hair 'cause you left it there? Kobe Toby the goal night, and I fell on at three times. And I said, why don't you move it? Fair of it. And I did. It's awesome. Oh my God. Oh my goodness. I'm looking forward to having many more adventures this weekend. Only God we did stop at that amazing pizza place today. Oh, it was. What was it called Boston? Something something Boston pizza. It's sports bar. Yeah. I think I think that might be the name a restaurant and sports bar. It was really good. They had so many different kinds of pizzas. They had tons of pastas and salads, and yeah, lots of stuff glued free crust. Gluten free crust. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Growth, and we had a really good merlot there yet. Really nice waitress, and it was a good atmosphere was that was at the mall outset rang out by the mall where we had to go in and get the surprise that had to alter that. We had to alter the surprise. But it turns out food. Yeah. And then Kobe got free stuff. We got phrase. I can't believe we got that free stuff like free item. We got which will expose next week. Should have been for kids was supposed to be kids, and they were going to actually what did she say? Write it off or we'll they could not get out of the system. Yeah. Because they couldn't charge for it. Because another child maybe this to give it the child because the child ruined it child ruined that goat container that was containing the items. We got. Yeah. And so the container that was holding them was done. So then they had to keep the item. And then there was no container. And then they just gave it to us. They couldn't sell it without the container because of the kind of item it was and so they had to she said tonight damage out died them, and whatever. So she just gave it to this starts not gonna stand up. He's drunk. He's snorts totally waste is totally wasted. I don't get it snort. He's we're gonna have to get a picture of him like this. He's gonna be like you said once there's no wind left in it. We just in the wine gloss. He's that small. He could he so f n q I love snort, I do too. He just has so many good memories. We literally the whole time. We were at the baseball game. Every time anybody did anything, which is the reasons why everybody left around us. Well during that game the Mariners had like three home runs. And so it was like a really exciting game. Yes. And so we're all cheering really loud. And we were standing up and with their snorts. Yes. At our hands screaming like stuff like fuck. Yeah. And well there were kids behind us. Never some kids in front of us. It'd be those and they were kept working turning around looking at us. Whatever Jeff Gordon looking at me one time just went can you stop? I know with over just me. And I was like what? And he's like you keep saying the f word and there's kids I'm like, oh, I am. I like a demon knows doing if you're gonna professional game the F bombs coming out. Yeah. Well, yeah. Any professional game because people say all the types. Yes. I mean fuck you too. But you know, he just like wanted me to stop yelling. I mean, I'm sure it was embarrassing time for both the guys would everyone vacated around us. Yeah. It was for me. It was nice. I had fun. I mean, I thought it was nice 'cause I got a free blanket. I am disliked this fucking lice. And this blank. It's been lost. It has been washed. Now, do you wash it for like eight months is true? It was in the back of your car. Yes. It was. But I did get washed when it came into my house. After I covered you with. Play kit. During baseball field Blake. And it was the people behind the not look that dirty. It was dirty. They left it on the ground. But it didn't look dirty. I yes, it did. There was no black IRA Brown. Anything on it on thirty. Well, I don't know. You're the cover up with it on the way home full men the way or drives. I was just like oh God law of slamming my head into the frickin I've softy slept at all actually at one point during that thing. I was in the backseat with you wasn't even Jeff Jeff is on the front keeping throwaway because I couldn't say away. Oh, man. So it was me. And that's why I was able to cover you up the dirty blankets because I was back on her with you. I was awake. Almost the entire time. You know, white knuckled on the backseat like oh shit. Oh shit. I mean, Thors fantastic. And so many ways, but my God that is an aggressive driver. He's an aggressive driver. Yeah. Not a straight driver. He just wants to get from point eight point as fast as possible. I mean, you've gotta respect that. But on the other hand if you're in the car, it's like whole. Wow. Okay. I'm scared. I used to have blinders like asleep mask that kept in my car. And I would literally look at him. If I got that scared like I would say something a couple of times, I find like fine. And I pulled my sleep basket out put it over my face. I'm like, okay. Okay. I'm gonna say prayer count to ten like a billion different times. Just to keep myself. Calm keeps going down line. Now. I don't wanna know if we get an accident. I'm not going to know about it. Yeah. It's okay. I'll be totally relaxed on us coming a year ago. This time we got an accident. You did and the parking lot because. Yep, Thorpe didn't stop all the way when we are parking. And he literally pushed the car like five feet. But you know, everybody has their thing. He can't be amazing everything that's true. That's very true though. Thor drives like an ass. But he's fantastic. A almost everything else yet. I will you gotta take it as you can. That's right. You know, what he's gone a lot better than last year. Yeah. I would say since that one of the Taco Bell accident. Yeah. Oh that would was system. Yeah. That was just you don't look down onto your Taco Bell bag, the grab something out of it when you're driving and then you smash into somebody. Yeah. That was just then he's bad situation. Like that's something to like just happens to you. It just does. I mean it happens to everybody yellow distracted. And like, oh, wait that car is closer than I thought. Oh there. It is. Oh, sorry. Oh, it is shocking. How some cars are just not made that well, they're not some of them just crumble like the one we hit a Taco Bell going like literally five miles per hour. It looked like we hit it at going about one hundred miles per hour. But yet our car was fine. That's how weird not even a scratch on my car and totally couple the other one. Oh, yeah. It was a lot of damage. I think it was a good six to eight thousand dollars damage to it that we had the pay. Oh my gosh. It was fantastic. Our insurance company hates us. The hate door. Please don't hate me. Progressive. Your only hope I'd psych Star Wars. I knew Hobo hard, please. So hard. I am so good. How are we doing on time? I think we're pretty good. Well, that's amazing. Yeah. Well, we're going to do another cast tomorrow guys will also do a Facebook live or real two-room, and that will be fantastic too. Yes. We might do that tomorrow. Yeah. I think we might do it tomorrow because stark now, and I think I think it might be harder to see tonight. We wanna do it tomorrow when you guys can see. Yeah. That'd be great. Thank you for being patient and waiting so long for this to come out on Friday. I know all seven of you are very sad. And then I'll. 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A Time To Resist

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A Time To Resist

"Today's show sponsored by Brooklyn in Brooklyn and makes my favorite sheets comforters. Lounge WEARING TOWELS. Get ten percent off and free shipping. When you use the Promo Code Real at Brooklyn and Dot Com? Hey guys welcome to the real life. Podcast where we talk about exactly that every single week real life which means some episodes might be about a fight we just had some episode might be about potty training since we have two toddlers and some might be about escott logical realism. Because I love thinking and talking about deep theological things and maybe we'll talk about all three of those one episode but we hope the show feels like hanging out in our living room with US Drinking Cup of coffee as we discuss faith family and culture and Jesus me and my lovely wife Eliza are your host and don't hesitate to hit us up or reach out on social media to say hi or comment on this week's episode. Enjoy Chapter Seven a day of resistance because I'm back to the future obsessed the greatest movie of all time by the way and this isn't in the book but just approved you guys listening to the Audio Book that I'm obsessed. I think I have a back to the future poster in my office. I have the special out of commission delorean Lego set. I have a couple Mardian. Talk many figures. I've a couple of Mardian. Doc like collectible dolls and a bunch more. My goal is to get a delorean check back and maybe a decade or two. But because of this I'm hostile thinking of times and dates in history where I use the delorean to go back to famous moments. Riveting moments interesting moments one of those times in places. I'd love to go to the little town of Schmid Nick Poland on February Fifth Nineteen eighty-two if I'd hop out of the delorean on the main street that day I see people grocery shopping picking up mail running errands and greeting each other. In other words everything would be completely normal except for one detail everyone would be carrying around their TV. One guy would be pushing a wheelbarrow with his TV in it. A mom over here would be walking with a stroller with TV where the baby normally goes others just carrying their. Tv's with both arms as they do their errands popping them down at the counters whenever they stop into a store and take a break. This was an enormous and Collective Act of resistance a deeply subversive act akin to Daniel and his friends when they said they would not bow in the Old Testament why in the early nineteen eighties. In Poland there was a clash of the communist authorities who are in power since the Second World War and a popular movement of striking workers called solidarity then on December Thirteenth Nineteen eighty-one the authorities attempted to crack down as hard as possible by putting tanks on the streets and stopping solidarity for good. Hundreds were arrested and dozens were killed. But this only invigorated the movement then. The strikers began to boycott the TV news which was at that point. Essentially fiction and propaganda. Only but a boycott of the news itself didn't hold enough power to embarrass the government or make them relent so everyone decided to actually go on an evening. Walk exactly at the same time. The news was on and with their. Tv's in tow and guess what it worked. It was a quiet and yet very public way to say this whole system is a sham and none of us want any part of it. It was an enormous picture of an entire community publicly embarrassing the government's propaganda news and simply stating with their walk and their TV's and they're shopping carts none of us care for this or want this and we refuse to watch as one supporter of the Movement. Later said if resistance done underground activists it's not you or me but if you see your neighbor taking their TV for a walk it makes you feel part of something and aim of dictatorship is to make you feel isolated schmid. Nick broke the isolation and built confidence. It went from being a private and individual act to a public communal act which opened the floodgates and enabled others to say. I'm not alone in resisting this government. We are strong together at its core. It was an everyday ordinary active resistance and it turns vinick and Poland upside down the. Take your TV for a walk out in public right when the news is airing idea spread throughout the entire country and absolutely infuriated the government and yet they felt powerless to retaliate. Since going for a walk was not a crime. That's why when I first heard this story. It immediately shot to the top of my bucket list for the Delorean time travel moment but second. I couldn't help but think about the similarities. This has to Sabbath see. Sabbath is an ordinary act of resistance in our Western culture that constantly bins the need to the gods of productivity work based identity and speed. Sabbath comes fist in the air. Every week saying no we are not what we do. We are not what we have. We are not what we can. By the way we toppled the empire workaholic. Nece and individualism and burnout. Speeds is by walking around town every week with our TV of rest under our arms. Put it in our wheelbarrow or stroller but keep walking because personally. I don't think there's anything more needed right now. In our culture and simultaneously incredibly misunderstood by religious and non religious alike then the sabbath. We need to learn to cease to stop. We need to learn to have a day of delight once a week. We need a day to make sure we are still hearing the proper music dancing into that rhythm and make sure the notes and our lives still line origin story when we talk about Sabbath. We are often basing ideas on some weird cultural or religious picture but let's go back to the source. Sabbath was created in the beginning. Just not in the way we think when we opened up the first page of scripture. We are immediately struck with a deeply beautiful poetic narrative about origins which are important by the way. Just ask marvel comics. We need them to properly anchor our understanding and the future now some quick back story. We often miss all the little breadcrumbs that set up genesis as an alternative origin story to the rest of the stories in the ancient Near East. The writer of Genesis was clearly playing off of other themes and ideas at the time saying few deeply subversive things see and other literature of the day. There was the idea that there was actually many gods and these gods reigned over various things like the rain. The food supply birth and so forth. There wasn't really a concept of one God over all so other creation text usually centered on a specific place or temple for that God to reside in. And when each God's dwelling place was built two things would always happen one an icon or an image would be placed in the middle of the temple as visible representation of this God to the God would be invited to then take up residence in that temple. Very much like an inaugural celebration where it's a grand opening party. And you stop the normal work rhythm to celebrate the subversive in scandalous thing about genesis is that follows the framework of the origin stories of its day but completely turns them on their head. It says yes. God has a temple but it's not a building. It's the earth the building of the six days and no physical structure alluded to the fact that this God is not regional. He is actually over. All the entire earth is his dwelling place then instead of statues made of gold and silver placed in this temple he makes images of himself wrapped in skin and bone and flesh and places them in the garden. They are the divine icons placed on earth as physical representations of this God who created all things and then the final day of creation makes a lot more sense quote by the seventh day. God finished the work he had been doing so on the seventh day. He rested from all his work. Genesis two two all has been created and spun into existence the images of in breathed into and placed in the temple which is earth. Now it's simple. Let's Party. It reminds me of July Fifteenth Nineteen Ninety nine the day my beloved hometown sports team the Seattle. Mariners opened up a beautiful new ballpark called. Safeco field. That inaugural game was set apart. I still remember the joy and celebration of it all and seeing Ken griffey junior the most iconic baseball player of all time stepping into the batter's box for the first time while it was a celebration it was also an invitation to fill the building. The new stadium was empty. Well under construction for years but when the inaugural game happened it was about filling with fans and players join spirit of baseball so when we talk about Sabbath it's about the deep sense of joy and filling and celebration it set apart and different. It is the day of rest but not in the sense of. Let's sit there and eat potato chips all day and do nothing at its core. Sabbath has an invitation to fill the earth with God's presence that first Sabbath is when God took up residence in his creation and so we set apart a day to remember that and ask him to come in a special way again and again and again every single week now imagine Adam felt on that first Sabbath. Humans were fashioned on the six day. Which means when Adam I opened his eyes he was looking at Sabbath rest Sabbath was his baseline his first moment his first memory. God's rest and celebration and filling of the earth is atoms very first moment and only then he could go work properly and live into the vocation God had given him. God's perspective was to work and then rest but Adams perspective was to no rest and then work to many of us are trying to be like God when we are adamant stead. Only when we truly no rest I and celebration. Can we know how to work and enjoy it properly? We work from rest not to get rest. When I think of atom and that first day of Sabbath the word delight comes to mind. Sabbath is a day of delight and always has been from the echo of the very first moment but then scripture the sabbath disappears for a bit after that the spirit of it seems to fall away once the curse falls work becomes a grind and only produces thorns and God wants to fill the earth with his presence but human choice and rebellion are actively pushing him back. Shalom is broken and decays here now. Delight is not the default so delight has to be fought for wrestled for wrangled from the very hands of the curse. It's strange reason why the writer of Hebrews says quote strive to enter that rest? It takes work to not work in our culture. It takes effort to cultivate a spirit of rest. But how do we practically do that? What's up guys? WanNa take one of this week sponsors and that is Brooklyn and a long standing sponsor on the real life podcast. We Love Them. They are awesome. 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Dot Com and use the Promo code real holy days. Our family is pretty Christmas. Obsessed if you've ever seen Christmas with the cranks we are essentially Dan ackroyd. We put up our Christmas tree and October. We start playing Kenny G music in July. Which no joke guys if you're listening to this recording this a month before the book comes out so it's September twenty one thousand nine hundred and guess what I'm not joking. We were listening to Christmas music. Last night don't shame me. Don't judge me and Mint Hot. Cocoa actually never makes its way out of the rotation. We drink all year around. We love Christmas. It's easily the best cultural holiday in America while other holidays are just one day. Christmas is a lifestyle. The reason I like Christmas so much is that it's one of the only holidays. We celebrate as a culture that does extend over an entire season and not just one day and it somehow still has retained a lot of its power to recenter us so we slow down and spend time with family. Christmas is magical and that's also I think. Christmas is the closest thing we have in our culture to what the true heart of Sabbath truly is so many of us see Sabbath as like a dental appointment. Something we might have to do something. We'd all say as good for us but really isn't that enjoyable and in many cases dreadful but it's much more like Christmas. A high point of celebration and delight. That isn't perfect by any means but something that draws us to something greater. I don't think there's a better way to understand Sabbath then to think about it like Christmas except you get to have many. Christmas is fifty two times a year. How epic is that I? Do you know our word. Holiday comes from the old English version of the Word Holly Day which means Holy Day and what day is more holy than the Sabbath one of the ten commandments is to observe the Sabbath and keep it holy it is literally commanded day that is holy the way we see holidays in America is the heart of Holy Days and feasts which is why I always find it funny when one of the first things out of people's mouths when you start talking about Sabbath is well do we have to to which the answer is of course not but do you have to go to Disneyland. Do you have to watch back to the future? Do you have to eat at a three Michelin Star? Luxury that someone else paid for of course not but you also realize you don't ever answer those questions with hug. Do a half do you get to? They are treats and blessings. And I'm sure most of us have never asked that question with Christmas. Do we have to celebrate Christmas this year? If my kids were asking me that question I'd realized they probably don't get what Christmas is or we've done an exceptionally bad job at explaining what better invitation to think of a certain holiday like Sabbath is so important we actually get to celebrate it not once a year but fifty two times a year. Let's keep thinking about the similarities between Sabbath and Christmas. I many people have the day off of work. If you're listening to this and you've ever had to work on Christmas. Thank you you sacrifice so much for so many of us and we were unbelievably grateful. But it's a cultural value to not work on Christmas. In fact it's one of those rare days you don't expect others to be available stuff shuts down. It's a special time of slowing down to prep many things days in advance. So that the day itself can be special to start the celebration the night before and have intentional family. Time to feast and to celebrate intourist and slow down as a culture. We have set apart that day as holy but notice how in setting apart holy we don't just sit somber all day. We don't prostrate ourselves in prayer the entire twenty four hours so it's always frustrating that with any special days that have religious overtones we immediately think boring burdensome. Hard too much pressure but holy means party. Just ask Jesus. His first miracle was at a wedding when he turned water into wine and he was always describing the kingdom as a feast or a celebration. We don't do a bunch of work on the Sabbath. Anyone who has busied themselves on Christmas usually regrets it but we also don't veg- out and watch football all day. We know that misses the mark to similarly. We observe every single one of the cultural values listed above for Christmas but also for Sabbath. Our family has been practicing and intentional. Sabbath for over three years now and I can say unequivocally that it has transformed our family. It has saved us at times while some like to say they keep the Sabbath we know that the Sabbath actually keeps us. It keeps US grounded rested and filled. It also keeps US resisting in a counter cultural way. We're aware of the hypnotic and alluring pace of our culture is so antithetical to the way of Jesus. The Sabbath is included in the Ten Commandments. Which are about living within. God's good design it's not some arbitrary command. It's simply a fact of the universe you don't have to but then your life may not go as well for you as it was designed. Sabbath rest rhythm is the ultimate music. You don't have to dance but if you sit it out you're saying goodbye to an awful lot of joy and blessing standing along the side of the room with your hands. Folded might feel most comfortable or least vulnerable but we also know. It isn't very memorable. No one leaves the dance thinking. Wow I'm really glad I was afraid to dance all night and just it against the wall looking at my phone. But here's the tricky part we've inverted our values so much that we've come to believe it will go well for us if don't sound with. I see post on instagram from some motivational life coach bragging about how little sleepy gets. It's all about the hustle. He says Hashtag never sleep. You can sleep when you die. I like to say if you don't sleep you will die if not physically than for sure. Emotionally and spiritually we honor and worship and value workaholics in our culture. Work is everything. It's one of the core places. We find our identity while the philosopher descartes is famous for saying. I think therefore I am. I think America's mantras produce therefore I am thinking about the Ten Commandments. Are they following our culture? I mean somewhat. I guess implicitly. If I cheat on Eliza I probably lose everything if I kill another person. I'd go to prison but if I don't Sabbath I'd actually probably have a bigger business more assets more money more accolades more followers and mortar. Show for my work. We live in a rigged system. That's considered the norm in our culture. You get rewarded and actually rewarded greatly if you don't Sabbath. But just like the coal mining industry extract a lot from the earth in a way that reaps immeasurable blessing like when coal brought levels of power and energy never seen before only to get one hundred years later and realize how much it scorched the earth depleted of its resources and left the earth to die short term gain yet a huge net loss and thinking. Work as your identity or some badge of honor is no different shaping the Sabbath. Admittedly Christmas isn't the perfect analogy for everyone. It can hold baggage from childhood and it can highlight losing someone close to you or it can be a particularly heavy burden for those who are responsible for the gift buying the menu planning and the pressure for all be perfect. I've heard more than a few stories from people who wished they could opt out of it all but even when we hear stories like that we know. The problem isn't with Christmas itself. The problem comes from broken relationships or painful choices. The problem is that somehow we started missing the mark and the reason we want to opt out is precisely because we haven't actually been living in it at all. The same is true as Sabbath. I've had a few conversations with folks who want to understand the allure of it but then they immediately tense up as they feel the pressure. Isn't that just another day to plan and prepare for well in some sense yes but again if it constantly feels like that we can safely say the mark is being missed just because it takes extra preparation does not mean a burden reminds me of our second Christmas with our kids? There were numerous presents under the tree for Kinsley and cannon from all our friends and family and we had only made it maybe two minutes before. Kinsley started to melt down. Isn't this supposed to be one of the more joyful moments of childhood? It was pretty clear she was overwhelmed. So much stuff and I don't think adults are much different by the way we just don't read the signs will but that's another talk for another day. Listen I looked at each other and thought well. That didn't work very well so the next year. We decided to be much more intentional. We said a few ground rules and Recreativo Shaping the holiday to serve our values instead of the other way around so we started a no toy policy. They have enough and asked family and friends to get much more practical. Things like pajamas or an experienced capacity aquarium. Instead one fun thing we did one year it was ask family and friends to get one book for each kid but not just any book one that their family can't live without with a special note on the inside cover and then we then added up the presence and Kinsley had six to open total. So what we did is we started opening one president per day beginning on December twentieth. And guess what it's now one of our family's favorite traditions it's magical. The kids are beyond thankful for that one gift. They open every day. They have more time to experiment with it. Enjoy IT USE IT. Show US and all around be more joyful and content with it instead of overwhelm. We've seen it create a sense of gratitude in the kids. It's way more meaningful. Why am I telling you this story because imagine if a listen I looked at each other on that very first Christmas and said this is terrible? Let's cancel Christmas. That'd be ridiculous. The issue wasn't Christmas. The issue was the situation and how we were going about it. The issue was are feeling freedom to craft an entire day. Exactly how we wanted it to and extract the most life and delight out of it so we made some changes and every Christmas. We modify it a little bit more. How can we center this holiday on giving not consuming? How can we spend the whole month? Reminding ourselves the beautiful expectation of our king. Jesus what are some fun rituals we can build on or create with the kids and that is Sabbath? You don't cancel Sabbath because you might have tried really hard to make a perfect day one time and it was terrible you just move on and realise that was probably too much pressure or you are sick or you had a bad day before all normal things and you keep improving. But here's what I think salads even better than the Christmas analogy with the weekly Sabbath you get fifty two tries a year and the year after that same thing again and again and again and like any rhythm you don't just start over every little thing build on another. That's why there might be some incredible Christmas traditions in your family. Like walking little gift bags up to the fire station on Christmas morning or seeing the neighborhood. Christmas lights in your. Pj's those traditions are magical. Not just because you did them once because you did them over and over stacking on one another like one huge memory mountain. It's compound interest. You were playing the long game. You don't get rich off of compound interest because you put in five dollars today. You get rich because you put in five dollars. Every week for eighty years imagine the richness in depth and meaning and memories. You can stack on such an incredible day if you have fifty two reps a year and imagine how much pressure that takes off your shoulders because you always have next week and the week after and the week after a few very close friends and mentors have been observing and practicing sabbath for seventeen years. Can you imagine how anchor to life must feel if you party and rest and cease and celebrate every seven days for almost two decades? Stop trying to be perfect and start getting reps and guess what by going for Reps not perfection. You'll actually get closer to perfection or better quality anyways professor Jerry. Osman learned this as he conducted a fun. Little experiment with film photography students at the University of Florida on the very first day of class divided the class into two random but evenly number groups. He then said one group would be graded entirely on quantity while the other group would be great at entirely on quality so one group would concentrate on taking as many pictures as they could and the other would be more intentional about taking high quality pictures every time. Essentially one was tasked with a quantity task. Damore pictures you take the grade you get and the other was tasked with a quality task. You're one best photo is what you'll be graded on. They only had to choose one photo to turn in. And which would be great for the whole class at the end of the term. It was clear that the best photos hands down. Were taken all from the quantity group. The students who just went around and took pictures like crazy. No pressure they experimented. They tested they learned while the Quality Group essentially sat frozen nitpicking. Over the idea of a perfect picture rather than just going out and taking pictures take more photos do more wraps and not just because human life is more about process than perfection but because we get closer to perfection rather than just waiting for perfection this is crucial to developing a life of rest because this is how life works as a spiral moving forward but always coming back to the things that matter. We need to practice it as disciplined because the curse is strong and works to overtake us. If we aren't resisting it's not a coincidence. That occur shows. Up In futile and endless work and production make more bricks as the endless drone like call of all of our hearts and it has been that since the earliest stories of the scripture from the story of the Tower of Babel where people wanted to build to reach God himself all the way to the opening chapter of the exodus narrative where it says the Egyptians ruthlessly quote made their lives bidder with hard service and made them work as slaves in mortar and brick endless work. The same work mindless work. Back breaking work make more bricks. Egypt was a task master beating the Israelites into submission using them to build. Their own empire are much different. Tired overworked overspent overextended usually from building. Another person's empire a few chapters later in scripture as disciplined for Moses Resistance Israel was then tasked with keeping the quota of the bricks but now without Straw harder labor but give us the same results. I always wonder what those first few moments in the desert and Mount. Sinai must have been like when God not only invited his people to rest but commanded over and against Egypt. As a way to say I am not that type of Taskmaster I am a covenant God of love and rest and delight but how four and must have felt they only knew slavery they only knew backbreaking work and they only knew ceaselessly producing more and more bricks and then to hear the command that says stop cease parts we can easily romanticize that must have felt good and full of life and I'm sure it did for the people of God at some level but I'm also sure they must have. It's just a little buzz. Just a little tap their leg on that first sabbath almost longing to make bricks because that's all their muscles and hearts and brains new to do. I know that because that's how it still is today. With us. In our family and our pursuit of Sabbath we love Sabbath and we practice it and we live in it and we delight in it but I still it usually around the eighteenth our itching to do something to be important to turn my phone back on and see what is really happening. See what I missed. Why do I reaching for my phone like clockwork on Saturday afternoons? After it's been offer a day or so in short because I'm captured by it. We long for things we love. When I'm away from Melissa I long for her. It's not just about attention but affection and it's that battle that is the true fight of Sabbath and we'll makes the Sabbath a day of resistance where we put our stake in the ground and say I'm not what I do and man. It's hard when I have a deadline or an email. That feels urgent. It's hard to believe that it can wait. It is not that important to believe that I can indulge in it but risk part of my soul because that's the journey God's taking all of us on the same journey. He took his people on in the desert. He rescued them from slavery. Brought out into the desert and then spoke tenderly to them. He gave them a new way of life no longer brick makers but y'all way worshippers. It was no longer about doing but about being not about activity but identity. But let's not forget how many times the Israelites wanted to go back? After Moses had led them out of slavery they even said it was better in Egypt with y'all way in the desert. Why do we think we are any different? See we need to steadily just put one foot in front of the other and learn how to dance with our creator in the desert. Were heap makes streams of water and Shalom and rest flow to us and through US and renewal and refreshment where he teaches us to be new people and where he gives us a new way of life.

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The Date

Scene Of the Crime

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The Date

"Spring and Seattle so little soggy, and the wind still kicks up a bit, but the ever present drizzle Izmir background music for many Seattle Lights. Because April means the mariners come out of hibernation. something. Ingrid Line could relate to at forty. Ingrid was a newly divorced Mama. Three young girls who had recently stepped back into the dating scene. And on April Eighth Two Thousand Sixteen Ingrid. I'm sure was feeling the fields. She was out on the town. Her ex husband had the girls overnight. She was enjoying that great American pastime. The home opener at SAFECO field. But she wasn't alone sitting among Sir of fans in the open air arena. Ingrid was sharing the backdrop of the beautiful Seattle skyline on a chilly night with a new friend. Until those bright lights, big city game would recede into the background. The next morning when Ingrid's x brought the girls home after their sleepover, ingrid a fit nurse, who prioritized her children above all else. was nowhere to be found. That isn't a gruesome recovery that would put a city on high alert, but approximately nine forty five this morning. Sanitation workers while collecting the receptacles found receptacle that contained what appeared to be and. by all accounts human remains body parts that would ultimately lead investigators back to the scene of the crime. I noticed the bathrooms. which has just been cleaned up I think that they found evidence in the bathroom that was where she had probably been dismember. A senseless and gruesome crime, a community on edge as investigators tracked down a killer what happened to Ingrid Line and why I'm Caroline Oria with Kim Shepard and this is the scene of the crime. Wow, caroline dismembered. I I don't even know how someone could do that. I mean not to say that I can understand murderer, but dismembering is a whole other level of crime and I think that that was the consensus Kim. As you remember, this was a huge case in Seattle and the days after Ingrid went missing, the story began to unravel, and what happened to Ingrid Line, a woman who had touched so many lives. She was beloved nurse at Swedish hospital very well. Well respected and an amazing mother to three girls in it just rocked not only the community, but the nation I pulled from a lot of different sources, including the Associated Press, q thirteen did an amazing job covering this crimewatch daily because I wanted to give listeners a real sense of the place and the time and what it was like during this time in two thousand sixteen, but Kim. Let's start at the beginning at the scene of the crime. April ninth 2016, sixteen started out just like any other Saturday and the Renton Highlands, neighborhood, a suburb of Seattle were ingrid lived in a single story home with her three daughters that morning on the books Ingrid's ex husband would drop off their twelve ten and seven year old daughters, and it was around eleven thirty. An Ingrid didn't answer the door. That's one alarm. Bells began to go off didn't answer. His phone calls either. Her Twenty fifteen highlander wasn't there either. This wasn't like Ingrid so Phil Frantically reached out to Ingrid's mom, who immediately came to the house, opened the door with her spare key, and that house was quiet. Ingrid's purse and phone were on the counter. No Ingrid. So, they immediately called the Renton police and on Ingrid's computer. They saw a receipt for a mariners game that Friday night. Officer Elliott, from the Renton, PD spoke to a friend of Ingrid's, who said she'd received a text at ten thirty five the night before the Friday night, and she said Ingrid said she was on a date. Ingrid's mom didn't. Waste a minute. She went on the offensive. She remembered that she had access to her daughter cellphone records because they shared a cell phone plan. And according to recent activity on Ingrid's phone, a recurring number kept coming up. Meantime Ingrid sister did an Internet search on that number and discovered a facebook account for a man named John Charlton. So. Ingrid's mom sent Charleston a text and he replied he said my name is John. I thought she was with her kids today. Ingrid's mom responded. When did you see her last? She's not here. Her phone is here and driver's license and perse, but she's not pleased respond. I've called nine one one Charlton response nine one one question mark. What's going on? We went to the mariners game last night, but we didn't stay the night together because she has kids today, not sure what she has told you about me and our relationship. Ingrid's mom says quote, she's missing. What time did you see her last? A police officer needs to speak to you as you may be the last person who saw her. Please call and she puts the telephone number of the police officer. And Charlton went dark after that, but of course Ingrid's mom kept texting and she wants answers. Can you please call me I know your name is John. Charlton, so, please call me so she's basically like I. Know who you are. You need to make me come. Find you because I am a mother who is determined to find my child now is you're describing? It sounds like she is a. Family Person She's got three kid- area. My a mother, too. She's got a mom and sister who live close by sounds like she keeps in touch with, and they have a spare key to our house. Yes, but they didn't know that she was dating this guy i. think that there's a lot about this relationship that people. Knew about, but there was a lot that maybe people didn't know about so it makes me wonder if she was either embarrassed of him, or if he was somebody that she didn't really see herself with for the long term. If maybe that's why she didn't his, why else would you not tell him that he that you're close to your sister, your mother about the guy. You're dating well and I think those were the questions. Questions that we're on everybody's mind. Where was she? We know they're piecing together. This family is doing an amazing job of piecing it together, but as they're talking to John. This person who presumably was could have been the last person to see her, and he's not really he's no longer responding. It's so heartbreaking her last text on this mother's last text to the person who may be the last person to see her daughter. Please John Did Ingrid. Say anything about someone coming to see her after you separated from her last night. We can't find her car as I. said her phone, ID and purser at her house, but she and her car gone without a trace. Any help would be appreciated. We are desperate. She would never just go off and leave her family. So I. Don't know as I read that and hasn't been researching this that final message to this to this Charlton really like reminded me I. Don't know if you've ever lost your child. For just. A minute or five minutes in a in a store, and even though increase forty years old that desperation just re took me there when I just remember. When I lost my daughter for just felt like an eternity, it was probably a couple of minutes, but I had security. The Gates were coming down. You know we were at a retail shopping center and. That that feeling any mother or parent can relate to that. Yeah I. Always Tell my kids like I. Don't really I don't monitor every thing that they do but I do monitor where they are like. That's the one thing I wanNA know I. WanNa know where you are because if you disappear on me or if I get a weird hangup, call of panic or something like that like I just want to know where you are so if something happens I can find. You can help you or get you out of that situation, or whatever, so it's like the most basic information as a mom to keep me sane and and know that my kids are going to be okay at least if I know where they are So a frightening picture began to emerge hair. Ingrid had met John through an online dating site and judging by John's facebook profile pic. He was a clean cut. Looking Guy Bride is he appeared in the photographs carefree, happy, go, lucky, thirty-seven-year-old, and that Friday evening wasn't their first date, so all of this was in plan, Renton, the missing person report had been filed and the Renton. Police were taking it very seriously and it just. Just shows what a family oriented person Ingrid truly wise because I mean the second. The EX husband showed up. She wasn't there. She should have been there. This was so unlike her and they took it very seriously. You know we hear that we have to wait twenty four hours well. This is absolutely nothing like that. The family is on it with the phone and trying to do everything they can to figure out what happened. So separate league, and this is just roughly three miles away from SAFECO field. A horrific discovery had been made at around four thirty PM. This is Saturday that. Saturday morning. Next husband tries to drop them off. This is not very many hours later and this horrific discovery, a homeowner called nine one one to report he'd found three plastic garbage bags inside has recycling bin. And he believed they contain parts of a human body A medical examiner was called in determined that three bags contained a left arm for mid humerus hand, a right leg from the lower femur to the foot. And a human head that showed no signs of decomposition, and the facial features were intact distinctive, and my mind immediately goes to. Where's the rest of it well and? Make an identification right before they had they. It sounds like a good enough they had. That sounds so terrible. You have to be so careful because telling the story, it's like you want her story to be heard of of what she went through, but on the other hand. It's just really difficult to talk about. Because it's what went to yeah, so you can imagine I mean to hear the nine one one call. Reporting a creepy Ron. Click a book with an hour Seattle Police detectives made the connection that Renton police were investigating a missing person and examination of Ingrid's driver's license. Photographs led them to believe that the victim was ingrid. Now this was the missing person cases being handled by Renton Seattle police were handling the dismembered body I'm Kinda surprised. They connected the dots that quickly. Well, it's just it's so great because and I'll explain more about this, but it was after midnight when Seattle detectives. Detectives got a search warrant for England's home. Now I talk to detective. Robert Onishi with the Renton Police Department about getting that call because at this point, you know. Renton is still thinking. It is a missing person on April nights two thousand sixteen that evening. We are actually doing an auto theft of SIS around Renton. We already changed a couple of cars at night, so around midnight we were incredible and I was about to get some coffee because it's midnight. When I became aware that are patrol folks were headed out to an address in the Renton. High winds on Campus Avenue Northeast. Seattle P requested their presence there and it turned out. This was with regards to Seattle investigation that started off when they start. Find Parts of human body in I think recycling yard waste containers around Seattle. When they contacted us, we've found. We had actually taken a missing person report on Ingram earlier in the day, so they hadn't connected that Renton didn't know about the body parts until around midnight, and so now I have to step back for one second. How many different receptacles did they find parts in? Multiple, but at this point they had found the one okay, and then how quickly were they able to identify the victims because they did that quickly, and that's amazing by by midnight because they could look at our driver's license, they were you know they? They did have her license I mean you have her face but you have to have something to compare that to to identify it like. How did they figure out what to compare it to well according to police the police report and the probable cause documents they. They made that connection. They got that tip that there was a missing woman in Renton. I mean the the turnaround time on. This was incredible. Okay and police referred. Referred to the remains as fresh and so they were able to i. know that sounds so difficult to ear here, but that's that's literally what they said, so they were able to look at that missing persons I don't know that they did this for a fact, but one can imagine that they said okay. Let's look at missing people in the community. And she came up and they compared because that missing person report had been filed. And you know they're going to use her license in that missing person. If you've seen this person, this is the person we're looking for right and they connected those dots very quickly. Business report came from Ingrid's mother and actually GonNa Star. Go off by. Ingrid ex husband, who had gone to. Drop lost their daughters at the house and had not been able to locate ingrid. UNUSUAL BEHAVIOR! She was apparently very reliable as far as her child custody. So I added that in because what's extraordinary about this case is the level of professionalism and cooperation between law enforcement, so many of these cases are bungled because police won't share information or even inadvertently Tanka. Case because of these turf wars, not this case, even though Renton police were already working that missing person, and technically it was looking like England's home could be a potential crime scene as PD, had gotten that search warrant Renton still took a support position. If we had known what circumstance was or had once, we started digging into. It found out what the circumstance wasn't that. This murdered actually occurred in rent. We probably would've taken it and actually. If Seattle dowse does, we would take anyway, however by that time when we talked the detective sergeant. Who is there his take on? It was hey, we've only gotten so far into. This will go ahead and take primer. On this case. They'd actually already sought a search warrant for the house. They're the assistance they requested from US was firm security and they because they had a limited number. Number of people there at the time, a few detectives crime scene. Response Eventually essentially CSI team. They asked we help them. Make entry to the house. We were able to Jimmy a back door. Get into the house. We did the actual physical clearance house for security purposes so just to make sure that nobody organ side so the CSI team. Immediately their hackles were raised when they saw a nearly empty box of plastic garbage bags that appeared identical in color and size to the bags that contained the dismembered body parts that had been found and in that bathroom that detective Onishi has. Strongly of bleach leaning against the wall between the sink, and the bathtub was a fifteen inch woods saw CSI would later remove the plumbing from beneath the bathtub, and they found flesh and blood now. Remember the the date that could have been with Ingrid never contacted. The police although Ingrid's mother asked him to. Even so detectives were able to track him down in Lake Stevens, which is about forty five minutes north of Seattle, and on Monday April eleven, so it's like this is happening. Really over the weekend. They brought him into questioning and according to court records I obtained SPD. Detectives described Charlton's demeanor during the interview as being very nonchalant Seattle Police Department release that interview, and here are bits of it from crimewatch daily. Address. Would you laugh? You get like. Give us your box. And we're looking into what happened chaining great as your where you've nothing. And we know that you knew her. Relationship with her had been dating her completely commander. So? He's from Lake Stevens, but he's actually homeless. He has a girl for ex girlfriend that he stays within Lake Stevens a couple of days a week, but he is homeless to your question earlier like why? Why could she have not told her family? What's going on? We don't know if that's the reason because you know. Maybe she was a little embarrassed of the person that she was dating. And that's it's like. Like when you watch this video I mean he just looks like this clean cut guy and not to say that there's a look to what a homeless person looks like. Because we know that is absolutely not not true, but it's like we don't know what's going on. Why is he home? I mean if he's such. A clean cut seems like such a typical Nice Guy. What's going on? Why is he homeless? So many there's so many questions that that we don't that. We don't know, but what we do know is that he said he'd been in a relationship with anger, and for about a month after they met at an online dating site. Her plays or Elsewhere. How often were you seen one another Michael? and. What kind of things did you like together? Tab. Adults. And they also questioned him about the night before Ingrid went missing. Had you had to that plane. For that. Across the street. We've often candidate pointer, a little, buzzed or Collapse member you have a contact with Grin. Remember. Do you remember her driving downtown? MESSES! New Kitchen. Next Day so. She your kids. Ever. Shoes did not include. Why that cutting for anybody days killing talk. Back her place and you had facts and I apologize for. Within. With bedroom or somewhere else? You think. Remember! Usually. This. Is there a reason that you can. That night. BEF Parcel So after this line of Questioning Charlton asked for an attorney because he says the questions are getting too complicated or a bit complicated, and what's interesting is when you watch. The Video Charleston's demeanor is so casual, and then after he asked for an attorney, the detectives leave the interview room, and he literally takes off his jacket rolls it up into a makeshift pillow and lays down on the floor. To take a nap, I mean is just. So. I can kind of see why he would do that. which may be a little bizarre, but I know for me personally when I have really big emotional trauma stress I, just WanNa. Go to sleep I have to turn it off and the only way I can turn it off is to go to sleep. That's so interesting, I, exact opposite. Well, that's it. It's like if I don't go to sleep. Then I stay keyed up and I can't come down and I'm frantic, and whatever so it's kind of like I have to completely shut it off. There's no way for me to slowly calm down and. Come back to a normal mood I have to just conch out and kind of reset my brain. Yeah, to like have a coherent thought really yeah, so even though it seems odd, and he seems like he's being pretty chill and collected and everything. I could see where you know. When I'm super stressed out. I may seem like a little bit out of it because I'm so in my head. Yeah, I mean I. I wanted to include this. Because what we're hearing so far. She went on this online date. And then what happened and it's like then you look at. It conjures a bunch of images into your mind like who was the sky. What was this thing and it's like he just looks like a regular guy and looks are deceiving as we've said so many times before another thing that's interesting about this is that police are hearing that he was too drunk to remember what happened and I wanted to get detective. Onishi thoughts on the blackout. Drunk claim. was he saying that as a way to outsmart law? Law Enforcement sometimes you have to take those statements from somebody about their mental state, or about what they remember about what their intent was with a certain degree skepticism. Not say that wasn't an, but we have no way to prove whether it was or wasn't at this point in time. All we have is a statement from somebody, which is admittedly a bit self serving about that, so the question comes up yet later on or you somehow attempting to. Cover your tracks for some Hora, blacks. Or was this. You know that degree of planning about things I haven't been in such a situation I don't think I ever been such a situation, but if you were to have situation where you found yourself, somebody waking up and realizing something terrible would happen. Would your instinct and beat to make a very methodical attempt to hide that entire terrent from having happened dozens off me. You'd think that may be for most must. The first instinct would either be scream and call somebody and tell them you know what happened or just run. How many people would have the presence of mind, let's. Shift gears. And suddenly make some sort of them article effort to. Hide the fact that this ever occurred at all and that would be you know again. I can't tell you having been there. That would be one of my point is kept. This is you know. Is that really how you would react? If the SA- happen? It was a horrible out. Character never happened before kind of insurance. I WANNA. Push back on that a little bit though because even though he did apparently or somebody, did you know use bleach and cleanup, and whatever, but they lift the saw next to the bath tub. Yeah, there's a law and the bags they're to the took the the bags, but left the box of bags in the home. He did try to clean up, but I don't think it's as planned and methodical as what the detective was describing. I think that when you think about the actual crime of dismembering somebody. I mean that takes. I don't even know what that. It certainly isn't someone who's blackout drunk. I can tell you that right could be so I was really curious about this. Actually so I was looking up. What it is to be, but I've never been blackout I haven't eaten pretty drunk. Yeah, to wear same same. Yeah, but I've never been blackout. Drunk so I was curious about this and they were saying. This is in psychology today that there's a huge difference between blacking out and passing out so when you pass out you're you're dead of the world, right? You're like asleep. Asleep when you blackout, you're still completely able to to carry on as a human as if you're awake and you are. You're awake and you're cognizant of everything that's happening around you, but what happens is the alcohol crosses the blood, brain barrier and attached to your hippo campus, so you're not able to create long term memories so in the moment you do know what's happening. But you don't remember later on because your brain never stores that information I. Do you know how you get passes that threshold because there was actually part of the article where they talk about how much liquor does it take? And they basically gave a percentage of an I can't find it at the moment, but it's something like once your blood alcohol level reaches like twenty percent, or there's a percentage once it reaches that percentage is. Is when it crosses the blood brain barrier, and when you can get those blackout drunk situations, so is it you've passed the passed out stage, and then you go into the blackout, drunk stage or is you don't necessarily go to the pass out stage at all. Wow, yeah, you just go to blackout dry I. Wonder if there's if more people are more susceptible to it than than other people to get into a blackout stage. No not experienced it. It's like I. It's hard to believe that when you're so drunk that you could have the ability to just I. Don't know the other thing I. Thought was really interesting This is an article in health line from a doctor Deborah. Weatherspoon and she writes that the hippocampus is found deep within the brain. It's critical to forming memories. It cannot develop long-term alcohol tolerance so even though your body might develop alcohol tolerance, so you can drink or it takes. You to be able to drink and really feel it so when people become lifelong drunks, they can have several drinks without any effect because they've developed this tolerance to it, but she said because of that blood brain barrier. The hippocampus does not no matter how much you drink, it's never going to develop a tolerance for it, so you will actually more easily become blackout drunk if you're a regular alcoholic. Yes, you'll naturally need more alcohol to get that drunk and high that you're looking for. Yes, so your tolerance level is way way high. Because it's the opposite of you know, the more you drink, the more you're tolerant to it, but at the same time the more you drink, the more likely you are to blackout drunk. I'm glad for the explanation. I still think that it's just in this story, and as we hear more it. It feels like such a cop out. Because even though Charlton's demeanor was calm as he was being interrogated that Monday, they photographed abrasions to his lip and face and small scratches on his chest. Detectives went to see the ex girlfriend that Charlton said that he'd been staying with the Saturday and Sunday night. And the X. Confirm that Charlton had spent the last two days with her. She described him as quote. A mean drunk. She explained that they had plans for him to help her with yard. Work that Saturday morning, but that he had texted her saying something that come up. He eventually did show up at the bus station at ten thirty at night with a busted lip, telling her that he'd been robbed, but she noted that he still had his wallet. Now it's not a genius. There's holes in the stores holes. There's Horny memory, and there's holes in the story exactly and so Monday night. They found Ingrid's vehicle parked in Seattle and they also discovered that Charlton had a pretty significant criminal history which included crimes and six states convictions for aggravated robbery, felony theft, grand theft of a motor vehicle, assault, third degree, Larceny, and arrests for battery I'm beginning to think. Think that anyone who's dating these days needs to do a criminal background. Check on whoever they go out with. Well, it's hard to again like I think about Ingrid and it's like you know so. Many people are dating online and I know that's not something you were I have done because we both been married for a long time and I talked to Robert Detective, Onishi and What do you do you know? Everybody's dating online I'm sure most people aren't doing backgrounds. They I feel like they. Should we write your online? Why can't you just have it? Be Part of the sign up? Marrying. Right some people like if they do the background check. They get that extra little checkmark by their name that they're verified. Yeah, not a crazy psycho. Yeah! I think it's helpful, but as we know to as we've been doing the podcast in a lot of people fly under the radar. Don't have a criminal history, and so it's hard to figure out. It's hard to wrap your head around in this because there. It's not like there were. Were warning signs? You know that she could have seen per. Se, you know I just I don't know and that really wasn't all according to the Associated Press. In Two thousand, six Charlton's father had requested a restraining order against him. His parents I guess came home to find him drunk in their Thurston County home where he allegedly acted physically threatening and verbally violent. Now Charlton's Dad said that he removed the movie Hannibal. You know the. That movie from a shelf set it in front of his mom, and told her she should watch this and beware his parents further alleged in this restraining order that Charleston has been known to hold grudges for several years and exposes frustrations when under the influence of alcohol or drugs, and that these frustrations he displays can be very intimidating and cause fear of violence. I. It sounds like he's got all the hallmarks of killer from when he was pretty young. What was his childhood like I? It didn't go into detail, but again it's like you have this person when they're not under the influence. And then you have this other person. It's like a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde. So three days after Ingrid was murdered. Her family released this statement this weekend. A light went out of our lives forever. Grid beloved mother, daughter, sister and friend was taken from us for reasons. We still cannot comprehend. Our hearts are broken and can never be fully mended. But out of our grief, hope still springs as does our appreciation. Words cannot express our gratitude to our communities near and far for banding together and expressing their support and ultimately their love. For this we will be forever grateful from the bottom of our hearts. We all think you. We would also like to express our appreciation to the Renton and Seattle Police Department says they work tirelessly to provide all of us the truth around what exactly happened to our beloved Ingrid. They have been there for family, providing answers, support and compassion, even feeding the girls cats when we needed. Oh, I, mean. I know I know it's just and then I think about those three little girls who had their mom taken and But this Kim was far from over over the next ten days body parts on three separate occasions were discovered in those same trash bags at a recycling center and q thirteen spoke to sanitation workers. She called me and told me they found a human leg, and then she called me again and told me that they found a hand in the bag with more body parts. They don't bring down here at Warner down. Here was stretchers when it's when it's. So these gruesome discoveries had the community on Edge. What happened to? It was just all so wrong. A mother of three steps a toe into the dating world, and she meets with this fate. There was just this feeling of disbelief at such a senseless act so that Monday John Charlton was charged with first degree, murder and theft of a motor vehicle bail was set at two million dollars at first Charleston pled not guilty, but changed his plea guilty at a court hearing in October twenty seventeen. You know here's Deputy Prosecutor, Jeff Baird and the presiding judge regarding that plea. Reads early morning on April Nine, twenty, sixteen, with premeditated intent to cause the death of Ingrid. Line, I manually strangled Ingrid Line for several minutes until she was dead. Is that your statement? Is it true. Charge of murder in the first degree. What is your plea? Guilty. To the charge of theft of a motor vehicle. What is your plea guilty here? We always ask the question. Why did he ever explain why? At his sentencing, we will get more to that, but prosecutor said they negotiated the plea to spare the family an agonizing trial. All have very mixed feelings about it. in one sense. Of course it spared them anguish of a very graphic and gruesome trial. It may be the the the details of the dismemberment will come out later, but this wasn't the day for that. And some of those details of what Charlton had done to Ingrid would come out at his sentencing Mr Charlton. Intentionally and with premeditation. Strangled, Ingrid. To death. He placed her body in a bathtub. Using Uprooting Song. He dismembered her body, severing limbs and head from her torso. Dangerous Valley easy would've pruning solids like I do it's Pretty Small and flimsy I mean as long, but usually not very thick. Yeah that would take a lot of effort. That's where I get back to that thing. About what's he doing this to? You know outsmart law enforcement, but unfortunately you make mistakes you like in the rush of everything you know thinking our is somehow somebody gonNA. Come back to the house. Is All that all those things play into your mind? I mean getting away with murder is not easy. I mean for some people I guess it's easier than for others, but you know this is what he the path that he chose to take. In disposing of Ingrid's body and this. was so I can't even imagine how the Family Ingram's family felt when Charlton's attorney and he himself actually spoke at sentencing, but he does hope that his decision to plead guilty as charged his decision to actually stay down a statement as to what happened that it answers questions for people. Agree no words that can. Breaking down here. Alleviate the pain caused. That obtrusive. But to answer your question, he never is saying what happened. He never explains himself I mean. Yeah. You were drunk, but that doesn't mean that you want to kill somebody. I mean there's still some kind of like triggering moments. Yeah I, mean one could say well. What does it matter because the the result is the same, but it does matter I. IT Matter I think it absolutely matters I guess we'll never know and I think that English loved one. She spoke at the sentencing and you smothered her laugh. You crushed her smile. You've left us with the nightmare of imaginable. Cowardly you ran and hid. In caught. You claimed you did not remember. Nobody believes that story. Ingrid. Wasn't just murder. Her body was brutally violated. And discarded like she was an nothing. She fought to live. New forced her to die. In the end, the judge sentenced Charleston to the Max twenty-seven plus years in prison. I'm sure that's little comfort for Ingrid's family. You know her. Children are paying the price in that their mother. You know they'll never see their mother again. But the community did come together for Ingrid and her family. They started to go fund me page that raised almost three hundred thousand dollars which is little comfort, but it's something you know it. It's really shows how they the community dares. Yeah, they really came together and and Kim. This case really got people talking about the safety of online dating and I asked Detective Onishi. You know what his thoughts were A. Different time a different universe there. Maybe you get to meet people and get to know them in a situation where you are not glowing with of where you are with friends where you're in a social setting and really kind of get a look at them that variety of different. Conditions variety different situations. Some of the dating APPs throughout their aren't geared toward that. You kinda worry about if some of these APPs primarily catered toward casual hookups. What kind of things might happen out of that? We've had not a large number of humps at most homicides we get. People know their attacker before the soldiers, but we've had a few where the outcome of some kind of a casual hookup is. Something, this totally horrifying, the most people and definitely not the kind of thing that we want see an wanted it. It's rare, but it happens interestingly one of the most cautious people that I know that I have ever known is my mother. supercautious, you'll not take risks like is to death risk. She met and married someone. From an online dating site. They ended up getting married. It's really what I mean. How else are you going to date like people I've talked to you? That's not any better. That's how it works anymore. Though you know it really isn't I, mean my sister in law and my brother in law and they've been happily married. It's a way of the world now. I can't imagine if I was the rest of the dating world again. Which you know, Cross your fingers. But I'm I would. That's just the way that it works nowadays, but it's it's scary. It is I mean usually if you go through a friend, you meet somebody that they know. At least they've sort of vetted them for you a little bit, or if you meet in a public place like a Bar, a friends, party or something like that, you know you get a chance to get to know them a little bit before going any kind of a private setting, but like the detective was saying so often with these online dating sites. If it's a casual thing you go from never having met them to being alone with them in the blink of an eye, and that's just so dangerous, yeah! It is so Kim. What are you working on for next week? We'll I have a couple of stories that are possibilities next week. That I'm following up on, so I'm going to leave you guessing for this one, but don't forget to go to scene of the crime podcast dot com to check out. All of our episodes also subscribe on spotify. I tunes. Apple podcasts. Whatever you WANNA call that one. Google podcasts. We're all over the place. Find US also at Youtube just look perceive the crime. I'm Caroline Missouri with Kim. 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Episode 46: WTF is Wrong With People?

Jeather's Random Stuff

44:48 min | 1 year ago

Episode 46: WTF is Wrong With People?

"All right there we go. Hey everybody hello. I'm Jacoby. I'm heather and together. We make jeter welcome to others random stuff. We usually sit around and bullshit for a while before he hit record recited just hit record today. We'll just continue to bullshit bullshit our way through this. Yes little podcast here well. How's your week been my weakest Finish Shit Show so far. We have some fun in there. Though we had our fun Saturday Saturday we did go drink and spend time on the lake. That was also seen. I've just like from from Monday. Oh well I've talking from last. It's Tuesday from last Tuesday. It's been wild and crazy ride. It's been awesome has yeah. We did a lot of we. Your yesterday was super a busy inch shithole. My yesterday was extremely stressful and rollercoaster. Theory was roller coaster yeah yeah that's a verb now. Add that to your dictionaries guys yeah ad that Webster's Dictionary Ilya Roller Coaster. Would you like to tell people what happened. Yeah everybody knows that I love animals to save animals. I have a few at home or couple a couple a few a few as subjective term yeah. It's not three guys. It's more than that like I then I you know I like the follow follows certain rescue pages and there's this one page that I follow that's from southern California from Riverside. Yes and it's the people that are they now. Don't actually affiliated with the shelter but they're people that volunteer I believe and they are trying to market these dogs so they can actually have a chance of getting they WANNA. I save the dogs. It's a very high kill shelter yeah so I've been watching despite my husband begging me not to and you know sharing and and you know rejoicing in the ones that get rescued in you know the tears with the one that got euthanized but last week I had one that pulled at the heartstrings a little bit more actually for a couple of weeks now but last week Friday she was supposed to be euthanized and I just bawled my eyes out and then somehow she got spared was still alive on Monday yesterday. So after many calls sweat tears messages Texas pleading bag leading and begging. I found the rescue that would pull her from this place because I couldn't get there in person in time to get her before she was euthanizing gain. I mean literally right before she was nice. They finally made contact and God or pulled out of there and the sweet little Doggie is on her way to Washington ten and that will have her on Friday. She's all yours. She's my baby and we have decided name her Merlot so Covina are celebrating with an ascent Merlo tonight that's right. We're Merlo well. Yes cheers tim or low. Let's do it. She is on her way up appear. Yes well Thursday night. Yes we are so happy by time you guys here this podcast. I will have we will have her yes. That is the the loudest looking I've ever heard in my life there. Can you hear him and working. Nat Your senior swatting nats and I'm staring staring at my dog because it's excessive looking like so loud right now. I don't know how patrols going to do with a anew for baby in the house. he's. GonNa be Jealous. I think for a while because he's my baby he is your baby and he is most of the attention but that's southern doggies going to have to get most of the attention for a little while you you know just social feel welcome and loved and so don't ignore the new dog don't. Nick Northern Utah Planning on it but I have to still make my baby feel. Don't let your beat the shit out of the new dog. You know ironically ironically. I'm hoping that's how it goes because she's a big dog and my cats have been around big dogs before but not one that never leaves and never a pit bull mix yeah so we're. GonNa see how this goes. Luckily for me. My cats are pretty fucking bad ass. They are they are they really don't take shit for many orientals so more than likely. They'll probably kick some ass plus. There's enough of them. They're like wolves chiefs this warm gather all they could take anything they probably could take a horse down though sixteen little mouse clause of Fury Alway- that's sixteen times like what to because they don't oh him use the Ba-. They don't use backlands too much now. Let's see what will they do. Sometimes okay well. That's four sixteen times four scares. Claude scary shell weight minus one per reason mytalk one pod oh but yes. I'm so excited for that and we've kind of worked out our our next month and my God were slammed. We are slammed. There's a lot going on the next month that this might next month. Both yeah every weekend are we. Have you know a wine club party coming up. We have some. I'm going camping. We have scrapbooking loyd headaches gone on wine walk. Megan are awesome. Assistant has a homecoming dance. Come in shopping for a homecoming and we have a haunted amusement park going like I don't even think we have enough time for us to to try to go. Do the corn mazes and stuff. That's over now that we have time. I don't think we do so. We might try to do one when we're camping. You guys should do that. so we're going to to try to do that. I was thinking I might have tried to do one this weekend. Like at that one farm we went to last year yeah but no now no not not since yesterday when I decided the rescue another dog. She's my now even numbers in my dogs you are you are and cats. I'm even number in both yeah. Although I have a my friend's daughter might be taking one of my cats really Cami might be taking one of my cats. Oh that's right. That's right. That's right and I'm hoping that you're brother-in-law's taking the other two that are looking for. I don't I don't know if he's ever going to take. I think we just stick ticket in there. I think you just leave it. We just bring the litterbox. Bring the food and the water and we just see how long it takes them to realize cat living in his house. Yeah Yeah I mean it's only going to be when he sits down and all of a sudden jump in his lap as high love me and how can you say no to that. Yes especially when I'm GONNA stick in his house yeah okay. We're GONNA have to do that before Christmas. We would have to do it the next time he goes a Seattle where he'd be a Christmas dismiss miracle like we'll put a bow on the cat there you go Christmas miracle cow. We'll put a bow and a tag around his neck says from Santa. Oh there you go perfect. Isn't that amazing. You can't give back at present. No that's me. I'm Santa. Almost said something but I don't. I think you're allowed to say that some of this on politically correct. I'M NOT GONNA say it okay well. That's fine that Nice Music Yeah. We're trying to be nice filtering for trying to be fucking Nice. I'm fucking Phil Torino arena filtering horrid right now. I mean God well. I mean guys. I can't say it's going to happen much longer because I am starting my awesome merlot bottle yeah yeah so it's good. It's a really really good service. Any ascent I think at that party regularly be any ascent but at the one in March. It's all a sense yes. It is all you can drink best day of my life. they are back days that we can't remember that's right best as in my life that I don't remember anything because it's all you can drink a wine they every day of the year. What do you mean of the year. This happens multiple the times a year. All you can drink sent sent wine. No that does not happen that happens once a year but all you can drink wine. It happens often for us it. It actually does do. You have a lot of these things coming so like you don't get your. You hooked me up. I did for this wine walk that you're going camping during because it was sold out at I happen to run into the executive director for the organization of the wine walk that I didn't l. but she was ended up at my place of business and we got to talk it and got the fucking hooker and then we got the hookup for some tickets of the sold out all Paul appreciate it. I'm going to be out of town so heather got the tickets. Fuck Yeah for me. It's amazing. I'm so happy about that and if you think about it so October sure we have the wine club party yes November. We have the wine walk. That's the best one I that's my favorite one. I look in December. I don't think we got some wine action going. We do not but will create one yeah. We just make our phone wind action. Yeah January I. I think we're GONNA. Try The slam winter festival. They actually have a wine not the tent we can do the tent but they actually have one where you get to walk around the stores like I'd rather do that me too. I I want to do both we do. Both I think you can buy. I think it's you can do both. Oh I'm sure yeah. We'll just do both so we'll do that one. Jd Marine Theory Fan. I don't think there's anything aim. February has one in February called wining. They do have one. That's called wine and chocolate. Yeah okay. We'll do that for Valentine's Day. Okay Okay and then in March. This is the one I really want to do. What is IT TASTES SEATTLE. Oh it's the biggest food and wine festival in the state owned almost one of the biggest in the nation over two hundred and fifty wineries home. It is a three day event. We would probably mainly due the main event one. Ah is expensive but there's over sixty restaurants there too so and then we could do they have when you buy your ticket you get to tastes injuring for free free every single one of these is just like the Wenatchee food and wine festival except I don't know where it's at SAFECO field how big this thing is. Oh yeah so we have our seal. The deal for my husband is at its at SAFECO field. It's around. I think it's March twentieth or something like that on a Saturday. It's a Friday Saturday Sunday thing. The things I would want to do is the main event on Saturday. Okay all right and then I kinda wanted to do the brunch on Sunday. Okay all right and then they have seminars. I don't really need to be educated online now. I just want to drink. I just WANNA drink. It and I WANNA eat yeah. I don't WanNA learn too much about it because sometimes when you know when I'm drinking the wine and you're trying to teach me about the wine. I'M NOT GONNA remember no all of that fancy shit. Ah Pretty sure the seminars a sober event. Oh God why would you go to it then. That's why we're not. That's just not right and they have a few other things too. They had like some farm thingy. I wasn't interested in that either. I really think those two things I wanna do because the one thing the big event obviously that's expensive. How like like what are we talking well? I want you to go so I don't know how much I'm going to tell you. Okay off the top of my head. I think the VIP which I don't think we would do for this. We might it's like two hundred dollars. Oh wow four tickets are one ticket. Yes the other ones are like I think it's like starting around hundred and twenty hundred thirty thirty for the other one Seattle Seattle. We only have like what twenty wineries at our food and wine festival yeah. This is two hundred in fifty God's laws okay. There's no way we can drinking all that wine. No we're going to try to pick and choose. We're going to try really really hard to drink as many as we can but we're gonNA have to like our tastes are going to be a sip I know and then we have to move on and I can't do that whole taste and spit thing. That seems like a whole big. fucking way is wrong. I'm sorry that's just seems wrong. Who the hell I mean you guys. If you're out there and you do do that. Give sent an email explain why you do this. I can't spit the wine out I mean. I'm sorry but that's the wine gives. You is half the reason why I drink it yeah yeah. I don't like to spend a wine out. No I mean no. You don't do that so what I don't know. If there's anything in April we would do Let's go to the two festival. Just drink wine while we're there well. I'm saying that Okay Tulip Festival so I've only tried to go there once and it was a horrible experience. I've been there twice. Actually you've made it to the tulips. I lived in Marysville Bill Yeah. I don't understand how you could not have gone because I always picked the wrong fucking day and the traffic was built up all the way on I five like like three exits away in the right hand lane everybody off to the shoulder and it took me the first time I had the drive by this whole dams like Oh my God that was a line for the exit had taken the other exit. Go Round to get in the line two who hours later. I said Oh yeah. I'm not even to the exit yet. Fuck this Gotcha. I gotcha. I see where you're coming from the following year. I tried it again. I made it to the exit but I never made the field because it the busy still well. We went my mom wanted to go. Do they have a Tulip Five K. She wanted to do so me and my mom and dad and went and the first year I went. I was pregnant with my son so we did the five K. You did the five K. running with no the Bait and run. We walked the Five K. and then the next year. We went again this time. I had my son who was nine months old aw his stroller and we walked the five K. again just because my mom really wanted to do it so I'm so but it's been a while since I've I've been to the Tulip Festival well. Let's go next April. We should go jeff. Go really bad then. We'll all go all go to the infest festival and you know what we will make it a wind weekend. Can we'll go to Woodinville. Yes here excited that just made her. We'll make it a weekend thing. I gotTa Woodinville. We'll make you tick a Friday off. Maybe there's a lot of wine and wouldn't bill. I know this but I haven't been there and I think I'm adding another wine club. Goose Ridge that is over there and I mean it's all up to there and then he knows what will happen in tasting their who knows maybe just adds more. You're it's my collection. I collect animals and and Weinstein number show in wine club memberships and shot glasses. Everyone has to have their collections. I just have four different ones. That's fine and they're all phenomenal. It's good to have a collection. You have to have them. It gives you purpose in life. Purpose gives me purpose all right. I've got a story for you. I can't wait to hear this story. Guy I hi. This is quite the wild ride a wild ride but stories a wild ride so up to that was my seatbelt. I'll did you like yeah. That's really good ed or click. Click it or because sometimes not always getting my seatbelt in right away like stumble or with it Gotcha yeah. They don't watch watch it so I think that's much. Dick okay got it. That's me the light goes off good yep. This is the story about Gypsy Rose Blanchard. Have you heard of her. No okay wait. WHOA Whoa what's her name. Gypsy rose blank or like blanche like Blanchard blanchard like blanche from golden girls. Yes blanchard gypsy Rose Regatta Gypsy Blanche her. We're GONNA CALL HER GYPSY K. What's going on with earn in two thousand one so she's Yawn so she's young when she was born her. Mom was twenty three and her dad was seventeen and twenty three. That's hard to say believe when her mom is pregnant her. The Dad took off so he wasn't really in the picture what he wasn't mature at seventeen. I know day and be a good doubt in what the Hell is wrong with him. You believe that no. I'm shocked her mom same was DVD so remember that K- I got this Shit D. Gypsy and gyp who was blanchard and we got the seventeen year old runaway dads out of. He's the runaway dad okay got it so when Gypsy rose was an infant the mom Didi brought her to the hospital convinced that she was suffering from sleep apnea because she wouldn't sleep yeah despite no sign of the disease. DD remain convinced and eventually determining herself. The Gypsy road had an unspecified chromosomal disorder. Oh yes from then on. She watched their daughter like a hawk. Talk Theory disaster would strike at any moment. So what kinds of does she think she was like. I don't think that there's something wrong with her. Daughter convinced against just because she doesn't sleep because yeah she thinks she has sleep apnea and that she has some kind of a chromosome disorder okay when Gypsy was eight years old she fell off her grandfather's a motorcycle so d- The mom immediately kerchief took her to the hospital where she was treated for minor abrasion to the knee but Didi mom was unconvinced that that's the only thing that was wrong with her back a hospital so that was all that was the accident she said had obviously resulted in something much worse and Gypsy would need several surgeries if she ever hoped to walk again so something's wrong with this mom so yes and until then she decided until she could have these surgeries that Gypsy must remain in a wheelchair so not to aggravate her knee any further. I have so many opinions about four okay so she was living with her parents and Gypsy relieving with DVD's parents and okay her parents started to question that there is anything wrong with Gypsy so D- took her and just moved out Oh moved away from them and into a run down apartment and she lived on disability checks that she collected because of Gypsies illness onus okay details not running a lot points with me right now at this point she's collecting disability for her daughter's services okay and living in some rundown apartment with this child that's in a wheelchair and she's like eight years old at this point so then the mom took her daughter to a hospital in New Orleans and claim that she was had this chromosome disorder again with the chromosome problems and muscular dystrophy so so I mean Oh my God yeah so now the child is apparently suffering from hearing and vision problems also Oh okay are there any proof the back any of this and then the mom also said that should the Child Gypsy has begun to have seizures K. Okay so they did a bunch of tests on her and they showed no signs of any ailments that the mom. DD claimed that she had but nonetheless the doctors prescribed anti seizure medicine and generic pain medicine. I don't understand why you would do that. Why do you prescribe scribe stuff if the person doesn't have anything wrong with them. That's a really good question because they couldn't find anything wrong but yet they still gave him. Whenever you looking out the mommy here and that's just not happening okay like the word yet because book and two thousand five Hurricane Katrina happened Hurricane Katrina Trina happen because they were in the New Orleans so it more moved them force them to move north to Missouri. They moved up there. No hurricane action. They're so so there they came became kind of a pair of celebrities in the community how they act as champions for the rights of the disabled tabled in the sick because Gypsy apparently has you know all these disabilities and things now does it anywhere in this article does actually give Gypsies Opinion eventually okay. We'll get there. Oh good there so so much so because you know everyone was convinced that the Gypsy had all of these medical palms habitat for humanity built them a house with wheelchair access for her wheelchair or she's still the wheelchair he's still in the wheelchair and say built a wheelchair ramp and they had a hot tub and you need the and the make a wish foundation Johnson them on multiple trips to disneyworld multiple yep and they got backstage passes to a Maranda Lambert Concert Kobe the other times. I do need a wheelchair. You did the last time we went to Disneyland. Yeah and I didn't have any no make a wish. Things make a wish you hearing ice suffer daily at like they had pictures of this girl to like in her wheelchair and her head is shaved and she's really skinny and just very sickly looking. When do I get to say my opinion biting my tongue. Hold hold on just hold up and it's only like one word with a question mark behind it. Just hold up. Oh my God they received a lot of press attention from all of this stuff and the various foundations that were trying to help them and a lot of doctors the the the caught the attention of a lot of doctors nationwide for her condition and things like that so a lot of these specialist doctors like we're are reaching out to her like in we help you let gladys help you with your daughter right. Well wouldn't dd just want. They wanted to see if there's anything they can due to help. which is you know that's really kind? It's kind it's nice and they're you know the generosity just the goodness of their hearts they want to help. They're good people. One of these doctors was a pediatric neurologist from Springfield named Bernardo laster steen. That's offered to see her hat his clinic so like a champion of a doctor right there so they went right up his alley. They went. They went okay okay mm-hmm so he discovered something startling. Not only did Gypsy not have muscular dystrophy. She didn't have anything anything else. That dede claim that she had shocker so basically the doctors run all these tests on her and they can find nothing wrong with her nothing. He told the MOM D I don't see any reason why she doesn't walk doc so DD brush them off and began to make calls to other doctors in New Orleans. Oh he did he was calling her old doctors to find out what was going on but DD said the hurricane had washed away all of her medical records which you know. Computers Hello Alot like backup cloud maybe they didn't have. I don't know the hurricane didn't wash away. Even the paper records likely it didn't it so so the doctor Flavor Stein Flavor Stein Flavor Stein I mean he has cool last name but yeah it's hard to say he was able to find some doctors that had the record still and after talking to them confirming once again that Gypsy rose for all intents and purposes was a healthy child and he began to suspect the real illness may lie with Det. Can I say God. Is it much housing Munchausen by proxy. I would assume that would be what to do because munch house them if you don't know so when you are sick in your fucking head sorry if you have a you just need get help self help for yourself connection to this not with the Munchausen Person Roy tells them by proxy personally but Montauban is when you are so starved for attention that you will hurt yourself to get medical attention much housing housing by proxy is when you will hurt loved ones. Usually it's a child viewers to get that attention from the doctors so so flavor. Stein began to suspect this and unbeknownst to him. Gypsy was suspecting the same thing. How long ago was awesome again. let's see two thousand five was Hurricane Katrina when they moved okay so this is relatively new so it's not that it's the I experience I have with Montreal's is literally from like nineteen eighty this where we're in the two thousand major so people know about Munchausen tells them by proxy they do and this is a pretty big offense if you're able to prove it wasn't in the eighties so in two thousand ten. Didi was telling everyone that Gypsy was fourteen years old. When in fact she was nineteen years is old? She looked for team because the girl was had her head shaved in a wheelchair and she was getting starved because her mom didn't feeder does she wanted her to look sickly weekly. She's tiny and Gypsy though knew that she wasn't sick. She knew there's something wrong with her. Okay good for her. She'd known for a while and she started attempting to escape from her mother. Oh my God that poor girl she's in nineteen gene at this point and so legally she could have just left yeah but you know the whole psychological thing. There's a lot of goes and it's a lot. It's a lot one night. She showed up at her neighbors door standing on her own two feet and not know wheelchair begging for a ride to the hospital. De Quickly intervened explained the whole thing away because that's what she did over the course of the year saying ain't she was you know like crazy. She's on medication and she doesn't know what she's saying and Blah Blah Blah so gypsy began to stray and become more independent good and just she wanted people to know that she wasn't some small innocent child suffering from an illness you know ask ad but every time she would try to talk to somebody d would intervene and just say that Gypsies Mind was disease and she just didn't know what she was talking about so she tell people that. Gypsy was mentally challenged. Rich wasn't true and that she had taken so many drugs for all of her conditions additions at had rendered her at an impossible to know what she was even talking about and because she was Didi was so just just charismatic. I think about it so she was really know and people just thought she just seemed to really care about her daughter and so people just thought there's no way hey she was believable. People believe it so after the incident where she went to the neighbor trying to get away yeah. Gypsy began to use the Internet good for Gypsy. Yeah so after Didi went to bed she would go online and she started to meet men and online chat rooms. I mean she's nineteen. You know that's our only outside contact so I mean to this. The greatest place to meet people go to school. I don't takes no. I don't think so so she's nineteen with no education crazy ass mom. That's making her fucking sick yeah or making making everyone else thinks she's sick. She's she's not actually doing stuff to her other than shaving her head makers sale wheelchair right so she's actually not physically doing anything else other than that which is bright horrible liberty ships right so. I can't believe this just happened not long ago her mother though you know found out she's has gone online. She would chain her to the bed. She changed her chained to the bed so she can get away and threatened to smash your fingers on a hammer when she found out she was using using the Internet but Gypsy continued to do it talking to all these men hoping that one one of them might be able to help her. It's very sad so finally in two thousand twelve not that long ago she met a guy named Nicolas. I don't know how he says last name. God go go to. John Got John kind of like the word God in that yeah 'cause. I sounds like he's going to be the helper now. Just just just wait now. God Damn it. I was just wanting something good to happen in the story so he's twenty three from Wisconsin and she's like what twenty now yeah yeah. He had a criminal record for indecent exposure history of mental my God awed just replaced poor little gypsy yeah they those did not dissuade her. Though a few months after meeting he came to visit her. Oh and while Didi was a rare solo outing 'cause she didn't leave Gypsy alone very often. He came over and the two of them. You know they did eh busy. Yeah Okay Yeah I mean so go after that that they began to plan plan how they would kill Gypsies mother. Oh Shit. There's just took a gnarly turn here. Yeah I mean millions a bit. I mean why not just run away just she has to. She doesn't have to stay there while she's her. Mom is one per they could overpower her tie her up. You don't have to say just leave yeah. What does she do so gypsy was she'd been waiting for someone to Kinda. Save her butt so this. Guy Kinda smoothed down. She didn't really need savings. Just needed to leave so this was the plan once. DD had gone to bed gypsy. We'd get up and let him in and he would kill her. Boyfriend would kill her. The boyfriend was gonna Kilroy friend was going to kill her. I don't think they understand that doing this plan. It ruins their chances of a happy life together together but then so one night and let's see June two thousand fifteen not too long ago. They you did while duty was sleeping. Nickless came in and bludgeoned her to death in her bed was bludgeoned mean hitter in the head with a some kind of object he literally killed D. Yeah okay here thinking so and then after she was dead they fled and and went to a bus station bus station bus station. Okay smart move here. I guess I know okay. of course they didn't get too far are they got caught obviously obviously obviously but then after she was caught and everybody's like sagged. Everybody like liked deedee. She was like like a very likable person and everybody she was after a such a good actress but then everyone found out what she'd been doing to. Gypsy the in that everything was a hoax everything was made up and she was doing it to get the attention and then they could not believe that she had treated her child like that. For so many years stone the years yeah so psychiatrist basically said that she was a victim of child abuse she was true which is true so she probably gets off citing. Munchhausen's by proxy as the root of DVD's behavior. Damn Munchausen Brown all know what happens to the boyfriend but well stay still committed murder right so yeah your mom basically you try. It was massive child abuse for your entire life but you still plotted to murder her right Ed. She's dead says does she can't even pay for what she did because like go to prison or anything 'cause he's dead. Can I say the first thing coming into my brain is she can't can't ever do it again. Though that's true like with her being was alive she would just manipulate her daughter exactly and and once she got out of prison because I can't see you going to prison for life for Munchausen by proxy. I just don't see it yeah. I mean in the eighties. You Got Counseling Union. Go to jail. No no no. Nobody know what to do with it. No you just have to go to counseling because it was a mental illness right yeah so and nowadays though I mean in in this case I I feel pretty strongly on the situation for most of you aren't going to understand but I do know quite had a bit about this and I don't know if I would have to put up with that for twenty years. I can't tell you wouldn't have done the same thing right right so gypsy confess that she had hired Nicholas to kill her mother. it was huge news at the time. I don't remember hearing about it but apparently was huge so she gypsy herself was sentenced to talk to ten years. She was twenty four at this time. She was sentenced to ten years in prison for second degree. Murder and boyfriend Nicholas was sentenced to life in prison prison because he's the one that actually did it. He was hired. He still killed somebody. You can't just kill somebody you can't. I'm sorry I don't get it because it's like a so somebody that you love right but you can't just kill somebody well. It's easy to it's it's easy to but you have to pay the concept morally and just you know it is live with that for the rest of your life just going and killing somebody yeah. I know I personally couldn't take a live right. No I mean I know so gypsy kind of as researched her mom's condition a little bit and has come to terms with kind of who are mom was and that it was like a mental toll and she'll help and it's yeah she never got any home for she's sorry about the murder but she still says she's better off without her and this is a quote that she said in an interview in two thousand eighteen okay and I quote I feel like I'm freer in prison then living with my mom because now I'm allied allowed to just live like a normal woman so she would rather be in prison for her mom's murder than live with her mom. I get it but I mean. Can you imagine living like that for your entire life. No I'm told that you're sick and mentally challenged and that you're adult with disease and medications are being forced to take medication that when there's nothing wrong with you you that's crazy right. It's insane. It's insane. I couldn't imagine living that with my whole life. How now at all so the reason I saw this and I've heard this story before but there's a movie on Netflix called the Act uh-huh and which is based off this story it's supposed to be you know pretty accurate to this? I was GonNa Watch it before. I talked about it but I you forgot and I didn't do it but I want. I'm going to watch it just to see you know how you know. How accurate is how accurate it is and you know just to see so. It's it's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. You know the worst thing about this is that there are so many children in this world that live with this they do the they don't ever able to get a voice they never able to tell their story and I don't know the percentage but a lot of kids actually die from Calvin by proxy well and what why is he growing out there. You can't even see anything dude. I don't know what he's doing. He knows it's getting a new system and he's he's not he's. He's like he's getting jealous already but he's getting any who I don't know what's worse just having regular child abuse or child abuse. That pretends like it's not child abuse. Do you know what I mean. I mean I do in a sense depending on what the Munchausen by proxy is like in Gypsies Gipsies case I don't I wasn't hearing a lot of what she was actually physically doing to her if he seemed like a lot of make believe other than shaving her head and starting her which is not good yeah. It doesn't sound like she was actually physically making her sick disease because the doctors couldn't find anything right there has been in some cases that I know pretty close to me that they were actually sick right and they actually had repercussions happen so I guess there's kind of maybe different levels like actually doing stop things your child to make them sick to get that attention so were purchased pretending attending that they're sick insisting that they are until. I don't know badgering these doctors until I give you medication. Remember so so I I don't know I as for the child abuse thing. I think if you're just making it up. I don't think it's as bad as actually being a child abuser but I don't see the big difference. If you're actually making your kid sick you're actually abusing them and you're hurting them and you're making them sick. I don't we'll see the difference between that and you beating your kid. Well and this poor girl. The only way out she saw was to kill her mother. Shot saw no other way actually ran to try to to get help from people and it didn't work so what I was hearing from that story which I'm sure most of your going to totally disagree with me. She didn't think she had any other option at that she didn't she already exhausted her other options. She tried to find help. She was using the Internet that didn't work. She tried everything she went to a neighbor to get help and they can help her. Nobody helped her because her mom was so convincing what was going on in that. No one believed her. It's hard to because the mom like everybody loved her shoe so sweet and all this kind of crazy how a lot of Munchausen parents are really sweet. They're so oh sweet and everybody thinks her so nice because they're actors. They are and a lot of time in this situation. I'm seeing the kid is not believed because because they're not preserved or perceived like right mom right not as loved it then of course they're not going to be because they're they've been abused them. Yeah J- that's all they life you've ever known like you don't know any different. You don't know what the normal because this is all you've I've ever had. Can you imagine having to sit and fucking wheelchair. When there's nothing wrong with you. I wouldn't have well. You don't know no not if I was has been down to that point my whole life. I'm not sure yeah but I I don't know I anyhow watch that act on next on flex okay and let us know what you think yes. That would be fantastic. Yeah so okay so we are. That was my story today. We're GONNA be doing a awesome story every week that we're going to be focusing on our podcast yeah so we're. GonNa try to stick with this kind of an older story but yes yeah came back up because of the net flicks movie but we're going to look into some current events anyone and some serious ones like today 'cause educational and scrape for people to know yeah so we're just GonNa Kinda. Look up some stuff going on in the world. Try to keep it neutral. Yes yes don't worry. We'll still get your fucked up fucked up. News is whatever bed I honestly today so I was pretty fucked up news. I was fucked up. I mean gene yeah. They don't get any more fucked up the Munchausen. No that's about as you can get well. We can't wait to tell you guys about our amazing restaurant week. We will post some pitchers of amazing Merlot. Yes we will be will and hopefully have a camping trip and I'll try to get one of the wine walk this weekend. You Oh you totally early. Should should I wear the altering to that shirt or should I wear something totally different. 'cause you're not with me. I don't think I can wear a shirt that we both have. Oh Gosh Josh don't you can wear. We'll have just a regular shirt doesn't have wine or like a regular shirt. That doesn't talk about wine. I don't don't I know got it. I know I it's out. It's this is the first time I've gone on the wind thing without you. I know so. I don't know how comfortable I feel with wearing something anyway. We'll see what happens yeah. I hope you guys have a great week. We love. You have any story ideas of current news. Shoot them to us to talk about anything you guys suggest perfect and give you are honest fricking opinion about it no-holds-barred. Bard Yeah you guys give us five stars by.

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Food Tech Show Live: Bugs as Food, Mycelium Whole Cuts

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Food Tech Show Live: Bugs as Food, Mycelium Whole Cuts

"Here one welcome to the food tech show. My name is michael wolff your host and this is another live clubhouse recorded addition of the food tech weekly news. Wrap up with the spoon team john. Marston chris albrecht and special guests special guests this week was peter bodenheimer and we had a good time talking about all the different news. If you wanna join us for our weekly shows on klaus just if you're on clubhouse just join the food tech live club and you'll get notified. You can call me. Michael wolff notified that that way as well and it's a lot of fun so if you want to join us get up on stage question. Please do so this. Thursday we will be recording live on clubhouse talking about space food. I'll be joined by dane. Goebel who is with the deep space food challenge an engine contractor. Who is the ceo. Be heck's a company that you made a pizza printer for nasa that got a lot of press a couple of years ago and he's still continuing to make food printers. That are really interesting so if you want to join us talk about the future of space food feeding people during hall space travel as it tried to go to mars and maybe beyond join us level phone conversation right. That's it for now. Let's get the news. I'm excited to get this going. You know as always we do this almost every friday. We didn't do last but this is our food tech friday food tech news. Wrap up as always. We have with those. The spoon game with us. John marston senior editor at spoon he john. Hello and we have chris. Albrecht our editor in chief. Chris how's it going so great. And i'm really excited to have not only friend the show but friend peter baden heimer with us. Peter how are you. I'm doing excellent. Thanks michael and i think in brooklyn now are back in new orleans. Where you at. i'm in brooklyn. I was in new orleans for a little bit for a family thing. But i'm now back in brooklyn and about three days away from being fully vaccinated some very excited. Team team motor. I am team pfizer right. Not by. I guess. Nobody really had a choice. Whatever whatever they gave us which get and they shouldn't be making team. We don't have this a competitive if you've vaccinated awesome but we're gonna talk some food tech and i'm really excited to have peter here. Peter you are a longtime food tech investor. Most recently with food expert of the broader sos. We umbro family until recently. I think they also late last year. They're going to sunset food x. Yet at the beginning of this year the decision was made to stop investing through tax in new a companies and to do the food investing through some of the vertical accelerators says being indie bio new york and san francisco where some of the food investing was already happening on the life sciences front and then hacks and china accelerator and some of the other programs so it was it was good timing feud ex had an run invested over one hundred companies and it was time to to sort of move on to. What's next. Yeah yeah we talk you know what's next or You know kind of what you're excited about nowadays as we talk through the news this week and so let's move onto those first stories and the first stories bugs weren't eating bugs Before we get going though before. I tell folks if you want to follow along with the news read maybe some of the stories. We're talking about as always you can click on my face Cook on my twitter and then go to the the most recent tweet where we tweeted. I tweeted out the wing tree with the articles that we're talking about today because clubhouse does not allow you to actually have direct links. You have to be so go to someone's profound do this But if you want to see him go do that and You wrote a story this week. About meal. worms. I think the impetus for that. The was the fact that why. How do you pronounce a. Y. y n. s. c. c. c. T. house pronounced earth. Insects inserts cleverly. With the weinstein. I and the french accent. It's not just a why it's a wi with an amount. Wow that's i don't even wanna try insect with the why they acquired dutch platform or dutch company pro pro-reform which makes wheel for human consumption and jen in your piece. You asked if we americans are ready deep. Bugs are we. Nah i don't think so. But i can elaborate on how we couldn't be But yeah just a quick background on that story the insect herring produce. Farm is actually coming on the heels of a big decision Regulatory decision that was made this year where the What is it. The european food safety authority basically said gave the thumbs up said yes. Meal worms are for human consumption. Which is a big deal because you have to if people can't buy your food whatever it is It doesn't matter how good it is. So this comes on the heels of that and because property farm has this Human being facing Element of their business at basically makes insect the biggest producer of mealworm And just basically makes it. We're one step closer to meal worms being something that Is part of the human diet at least in western countries. I don't know that that necessarily means that everybody's going to go jump to the meal worms immediately. Though i mean i think you know there are plenty of places in the world where in are regular part of the diet. I mean i believe the figure is up to something. Like two billion people eat insects as a regular source of protein but what insect and other folks have said is an easier entry point into europe or the united states would be you know i don't. I don't think we're anywhere near a day when you're going to a restaurant and someone's going to stick a plate of meal worms in front of you and be like bone up t- I think it's more going to come from including them powders in pasta or in sports nutrition bars and Things like that That you know. I don't know i mean. I think we love to try new things here at the spoon Well i don't know maybe you guys would not go. As far as trying meal worms i might if they were part of a sports bar But i think there really is that realistic. Kind of factor that that it's a con Consumer our perception issue right and you know the only way to get people to eat more. Bugs is to somehow change that consumer perception that they're disgusting dirty awful things peter plant based soviet. Meet all those these alternative chains. Getting eye-popping dollars. I haven't seen a lot going into bug protein. What is the reason for that. Is it because it is just one of those things that consumers ready to embrace it. Because it's not as efficient from an input output perspective in terms of just in terms of efficiency. Wh why is it well. I'm certainly not an expert on this. But i do know a couple of people. Who've invested in insect protein companies in the past and i think one of the challenges especially with like cricket farming in particular is the one that i think of the economics of scaling add up or challenging. I think the environmental economics of it so to speak or or quite good in terms of the efficiency of creating the protein. But it's very difficult to scale that as a business in to jen's point at least in in the us and i'd say in western europe as well the the market for people who wanna eat whole insects is pretty small. You've seen some companies. I think extra protein which was founded by the two guys who are now the founders of magic spoon cereal. They exited. But i think you know i remember having a conversation with them about how difficult it was to be one of the very first. Movers that category and they were making bars. That were a peanut butter and jelly bar. These were very standard acceptable kind of products. But i think they still thought a bit of an uphill battle. And i agree that at some point this will be an accepted part of our diet. It's just a matter of of win. And how. I think things like protein powders. I've seen it used in granola and other products. Like that where you can really hide any sort of getting his genta. Yuck factor away because it's really just a a spice powder that's that's all the product itself. We talked about it before. I think on the show i think you know. Insects are not that different than shellfish. Right i mean trumper basic cnc tax. And so i think it is like a mental leader. So yeah it's like a mentally. I think people have to make for warranty things growing like meet breweries. I eventually consumers get there. I wrote about a cup of coffee. Human improvement earlier. I think in two thousand twenty making protein powders in kind of a really nice like own almost magic spoon wake kind of cpg. Marketing spin to it So i think it's going to take some smart marketers to get some traction. But i don't know what it is also probably generational element to as well people that are growing up the younger generation that is more aware and cares more about the plan at probably than our generation did when we were growing up. Just because they're more aware of it probably will look at things like this. I can get past that. Yuck factor because the evidence is compelling that it helps the planet didn't you eat grasshoppers at the safeco field field. Yeah i mean in seattle. They've been serving them for a long time and it was palpable and part because he just had like a really nice barbecue spice to it Definitely was crunchy and it was. It was the full the full grasshopper writers. Like with is an all so. But you haven't been there. Kristie via the crickets are the grasshoppers. I have not and would you know ready to get big belly. You know no. I mean i have a hard time with beat so i can't have. I'm going to hop over to a creek. I'm with jen. Like you put it in a powder you mix it in. You know it's like grinding up your vegetables for your kids meal or you put it on their whatever like then i'll probably be in. There is a company. I wrote about called bill baya. They were kick starting your own like grow your own mealworm. Your crickets. i can't remember was grow. Your own insects for eating. There are based in ireland. And i think they got a successful kickstarter campaign. They would send you a kit where you could grow your own bugs and the video had them like cooking meal worms and i was like yeah i mean i mean i don't know the neither ground into powder maybe me you know but or have like a chef. Cook them bellyache. Growing your own. That's a little bit too like in times. Come yoga for me but We'll see to Whoever whichever one of you gentlemen said it was generational as well. I think You know. I don't know that the eighteen and under crowd is going to equate meal worms with end times sort of thing. I mean i think It's just i think whoever said You know the contribution to just planetary health that switching to more insects as protein could bring would-be motivation enough for for a lot of that audience. So yeah wall. St i dunno. I think jefferson nicely called me. An old curmudgeon. Nothing it's not articulate wasn't the first time i am all in so i don't i don't mind. Let's we wanted to next story chris. These you about territory. Foods a company that offers subscription meals created by local chefs There's been a few chef power chef powered marketplaces popping up over the past year. I really like this idea. Quite honestly Having chefs cook meals and then have them delivered. Tell but about territory foods. Yeah so territory. Foods i think based out of washington. Dc area what they did and it sort of kicked into high gear. They've been around since two thousand twelve but last year their service grew more importance because what they do is they allow restaurants to create subscription package. Meal services right. So if you're familiar with freshly it's not like a meal kit right like these meals arrive cooked and their refrigerated right to your door chilled and then storm in the fridge. And when you're ready to eat them you heat in the microwave and it's a full sort of restaurant meal on your plate and what territory does is they go to restaurants and go like. Hey would you like to be on our marketplace and then people can order your meals ahead of time and then you package up you you cook. The meals will help you with packaging and we'll take care of all the ordering and distribution and it does a few things that are actually pretty interesting one especially during the pandemic right when they had dining rooms shutdown. This provided another revenue source for restaurants because people could still or the restaurant food. They just weren't eating at the restaurant and they ordered it in a way that it was like. Hey we're gonna order this many meals this week and so it wasn't like oh we need to You know it's not like door dash kind of situation right there not ordering it to go so restaurants could also get a handle on how many meals they needed to make that week and how much money they were going to make that week. And they could pre order ingredients knowing a bit more about what their business was going to be like so it was really interesting and they raised a territory. Raised a bunch of money this week. twenty two million and they're expanding right there in a few there in twenty locations across the country right now including like los angeles But it's really interesting because what it does. Is it also in addition to providing this like you go to a restaurant and you go. Okay if you're gonna be in our marketplace and then they can see the orders that come in they can prepare for it but it also extends their geographic reach so where they may not deliver a restaurant a may not delete may deliver an only a neighborhood. Let's say they're in the mission in san francisco. They're only going to deliver to a certain area of san francisco. Probably not all of it with territory. They can get their meals throughout the bay wherever territory offers their service so because the meals aren't going out hot and you don't have to worry about longevity or riding around in somebody's car they can all be prepared but then you know people around the bay and enjoy those meals and now that things are hopefully relaxing knocks on wood. You know now that they've had those meals at home. They can go back out to the restaurant and then continue to order at home and so it's it seems like a real win win all the way around. It seems like just another one of these companies that are riding higher on just the the forced a i. Guess a forced a change at the restaurant. Industry is gonna had has to undergo right. I think this offers restaurants in other option which is exciting. It also seems to me I mean i think that obviously meal kits had a little bit of a comeback during covid. This this isn't meal kits. But i kinda feel like meal. Kits are kind of gonna go away tour. And they're going to be basely customized precise grocery shopping basic building grocery. Us around your render recipes or whatever and then there's going to be at this type of thing whereas prepared meal delivery so i kind of feel like we're kind of this is one of those kind of two point. Oh generation bill to every services or kind of subscription meal services. Peter in terms of when you look at this type of thing is this. Do you think something like this has legs. It's just like the type of platform you think he's going to succeed because of meets a need for a shafts also consumers ordering more food at home. Yeah i think one of the things meal kits in general was the the market. Is there for meal. Kits the challenge with meal. Kits has always been. And now i sound like a broken record the economics of meal kits and the sort of i think why. They thrive during pandemic aside from the obvious reasons. Was that one of the reasons people turned in meal. Kit companies pre pandemic was that life is complicated and the kids have a soccer game that got moved or something happens and people aren't in the mood for this saturday night and then people felt like they were wasting food was one of the issues whereas i think the predictability of life in the pandemic or at least your your eating habits in the pandemic have helped these companies. That said one of the things. I really like about territory in particular and i've seen a few other companies doing this one in particular whose name is now escaping me. But i'll look it up in a minute where they're working with restaurants because the chefs there and the restaurant tours are looking for new revenue streams more consistency in revenue as opposed to the ups and downs of weather. Time of seasonality. You know life in general and they're also giving them the tools to do that without having to do a whole bunch of other work around it figuring out delivery and things like that. I think that's a really interesting place in potala is when people are get creating platforms and services for restaurants to deliver their products in a way that works for the consumer but also doesn't load a whole bunch more work on the restaurant tour because at the end of the day they just don't have the time or the energy to add a whole new line of work to do every day. It's just the businesses too hard. For that i think would territory does is really smart and i think there's a real market for it. You know and one hopes that these things will be sort of the two point. Oh version of of meal kits and directed in tumor food right. I mean i think this idea of the chef being an entrepreneur and moving kind of along the continuum more towards cpg. This is is one thing that allows them to do that. I don't remember. do you remember chris shaft. they were Basically mielke company but the idea was they were gonna ultimately per slice meal kits. The they went out of business but You know this is not quite like you said. It's not this a meal kit but it's it's personalized And i think. I think when to the to the degree that like they might have the the kito flavor Personalization really met extra type of diet level position. I also freshly in the last month to announce personalization to certain degree along those lines. I can get the the key to obey subscription plan. So i i think this is a really interesting. Also move into the personalization put space as well for some of these chefs. Well i also think based on conversations. I've had with chefs Over the last year. Is that this particular method where 'cause you know a lot of chefs especially the ones Working in upscale fine dining settings they obviously don't love the idea of their food going out the door dash because it diminishes the quality of the food to have a finished meal sitting in a box. You know losing everywhere on the drive over This it seems like what territories doing is is similar to what a lot of other folks have have tried on a smaller scale over the last year which is to try to by allowing the customer to more or less finish the meal at home it actually get sick closer and quality to what they would be experiencing where they go to the dining room and actually sit down and eat the meal there so i think that that's another reason something like this could become popular with the chefs that i mean. It's it's another. I mean to the point. Y'all have made. It's a way to be involved with this takeout and delivery madness. That's taken over restaurants without having to compromise the food itself points. Let's reset the room as we move along here. We are here with the spoon gang. Well as peter bodenheimer doing our weekly news wrap up. We are recording this. We will publish this as a podcast as we usually do if anyone does want to jump on stage asking the question of the spoon team repeater bonded or suggest. A story feel free to raise. Your hand will bring you up but the next story. I want to talk about peter. You and i had a little bit of a new mail. Email exchange about this one It's about a company called at last. Who's getting lots and lots of and further my ceiling based whole cuts food In terms of buzz and then also just funding. They were spun out of a company called vodka which makes essentially my ceiling base scaffolding. I think in two thousand nineteen and the streets a bunch of money. You kind of a surprise. The minimum amount of money raised. Yeah so i actually did some digging. After we were having our email exchange. And i saw that. They had had spun out and it's sort of explained it a little bit more in the lead on their funding round is more of a private equity firm. So the the larger size made sense. But when i see forty million dollars series a my my brain breaks a little bit. Especially when i think there was a line in the story that they are only available in one food co-op albany new york so it was kind of shocking to me. When you see now that said i think my sealions space that super hot and my guest is given their where they're coming from in terms of the biomaterials research that conveyed does and things like that that there's probably some real ip behind this which would also explain that but at first glance it sort of made my eyes go wide. Because i thought that was such a huge number for such an early stage company. We're seeing lots of interesting moving beyond the men's based plant based food and coal cut based all proteins and meat analogues are kind of having a moment also think my helium is just continuing to have like a hot streak and so this makes sense. It is kind of at the intersection of both of those That continues to to get some momentum. And i think you see that in in start ups. I've had more than a handful of conversations with founders over the years around why some company raises a huge round with seemingly little traction versus in. It's generally the founder. I'm talking to saying we've got all this trash. And why are we not getting funded in the same way and you really do. It's rare that you know. All the details of wire funding round comes together like that especially when that feels outside of what you would consider the norms for that that stage of company in that type around. But that's also an example of a frothy space which food tax certainly is. I would just say. I was on a different clubhouse this morning and this this story was discussed and i thought one really interesting point that came up in that discussion. That it's worth reiterating. Here is beyond the whole cuts of plant based meat that. They're sort of this companies pushing. There's also kind of this question of how ultimately how are. How's the industry going to sell them to customers because it's a mushroom but it's not like you know it's not like lop off the top. Here's your portabella. Where whatever kind of deal. It's a fungus basically. So how do you sort of You know what is the language that you use to convey this product to people in a way that's gonna make them actually want to try it out and i'm talking mostly about not vegans necessarily but the flex italians for lack of a better word. The the meat eaters who we need to persuade to eat more alternatives just for environmental reasons Sort of that question of my cellular in particular. And just how do you explain what it is without over-burdening people with the technical side of things but while still being very clear about what the heck is in product so i think labellings always or descriptions and that sort of thing always. I think that's a really interesting topic in just alternative meets in general indefinitely for my sy- in particular do you think it needs like much granularity for the consumer. I mean can we just say it's technically is a plant as maybe it's more like mushroom aced. But but i mean can we do root fungus based. We really need to go into that detail. Do you think it's something that would bug people more than say another plant based food. I don't know i mean would you. Would you buy a box burgers the said fungus based if you saw that in the store i think the other side is if you say it's mushroom based well that just makes me think of like those vegetarian restaurants from the nineties Where it's sort of everything tasted like mushrooms because it was all sort of mimicked with mushrooms. So don't i don't know. I mean it's i don't know that it needs as much explanation as say cultured me but i do think that it needs some explanation and some clarity around what's actually going on with this product. I always think of lemony snippet and the medusa. My silly for anybody in the audience. Read that because we've been writing about my helium a lot lately very no reference but it's what pops up deep cut. I think it's interesting on this too. It depends how good the product is ultimately. If if the product is something that the in consumer just fucking loves then they probably care little bit laughs about that or they're going to need a little less prodding or explanation but if if it's geared at people as a this is a replacement and it's not quite as good as the real thing then people will probably have more resistance to to to it. You know our our ashland wilder who writes for our site mike. I'm trying to look it up right now. But she actually tried one of them. I want us. Yeah meaty the my sealion bay steak and she Her basically your headline was. It's definitely meaty. So i think you rented the same thing that plant based burgers off the blur having which is for vegans who don't eat meat they don't want the replication of meat right and for people who do eat meat. You're stuck in this in between where people who do. Eat me wanna eat meat. And they may not want to eat anything plant based but she definitely She thought it was really good. The one media. I may because they serve it at a restaurant in colorado and she said it was really good so anyway for what it's worth i'm excited to try it. It's i'm not even. I don't even like mushrooms. But i like the idea of understanding that my steely is a little different. And how it can be you know. I think it was a. They recreate chicken and fish. Or at least they said they could and filet mignon. So i'm definitely curious about it. Yeah we'll definitely this before bugs. That's for sure. So yeah i mean i. I'm curious to to try it as well We do have someone wants to go onstage. Welcome Jason on peter app. Say i'm going to die. Ira glass like you can have an episode on the on our website that is non beeped versus. When i always love. But peter is he spices language. Which feel free to do that. I'm not. I'm not condemning. Iot drop a bomb somewhere in there. You were a little latent dropping at this time. What's wrong off my game. A little bit now. Few weeks off all right. We got to warmed up jason. Hey guys have me. This is a really great conversation in this amazing. How many people. I have been looking for it. I just kind of stumbled into clubhouse searching for you guys Started a food delivery company in the beginning of the pandemic trying to add range incapacity quality. Control at some a to be back. Some spy. the mandate I i'm therese you. Guys think is going to allow some proper margins in that industry for restaurants and deliver it Do you think it's capacity. Is it range. You think they just need to keep build out the market today. Have enough customers. What what's the one metric holding back profitability. They're actually some gen. You think a lot about this you think about you know. The the continued dislike of of that. That high delivery charge is become the being auto restaurants. What do you think there I mean are we talking about profitability for third party. Delivery like doordash specifically ideally. I'd like to create a better margin for them with our capacity range extension. But really what matters to me is the restaurants Because i'd like them to have a good margin and for them to not be hit twice when there's an accident on their costs and that's what i'm trying to fix but I'm still not one hundred percent sure. What like the strongest. i know. I know there are a lot of problems and a lot of people are struggling in in this market. But i'm not really sure. What the main main issues are. And i'm wondering if you guys had inside is it. Do you think if restaurants could critics than delivery further and had the better capacity it would give them the incentive to have their own fleets and bypass the third party charges. Or you can. We created better for the consumer. They'd be like you know it's worth paying three bucks. Because i know my foods can still be good in two days which we have some good data on. But i'm not sure there's so much it's kind of around. Yeah it's it's overwhelming is precisely the word for what's going on right now so i'm glad she said i do. Think you know based on conversations. I've been having with restaurants for a while. Let's just stick with the last year for now. Is most of them generalization but most of them do not like the big third party delivery Folks the commission. The high commission fees the lack of access to data on the customers themselves. You know that all belongs to asher whomever as well as the lack of quality control. You know I think most of them have said they basically had no other option but to go with asher uber eats in order to reach as many customers as possible at a time when customers couldn't come to them. I am not really sure about the about how realistic a restaurant having its own. Delivery fleet is at this point. In fact there was News this week pinero which is a chain. Obviously but they're sort of you know they championed this in-house delivery we have our own fleet sort of deal for the last five years and they just shut that down this week and said we're going with third party whether or not they ever bring. That back is unclear. But it does seem like Just this expense of paying your own. Fleet is just out of reach for most restaurants As is you know well. Maybe not this much anymore. You know the technical logistics of processing a delivery order between customer and restaurant are fairly complex and so there are a lot of solutions out there. Nowadays that will that will do this for the restaurant without them. Having to go through third party but then you still have to figure out who handles the last mile. So it's yeah there's not. There aren't a lot of great options for themselves right now outside of of the big the big third party delivery services yet. I don't know if that answered your question. Jason certainly hopeful i mean. I don't know that anybody can answer my question in toy we've already spent a whole lot of money in the next couple years of her life right. I think the one thing. I'd add there is that there are new companies. Starting trying to solve these problems all the time and it's now becoming it's a little ecosystem of products and hopefully that's a step in the right direction. Because i think to the point. Maybe you both made. There haven't been a lot of options. Restaurants have felt especially during the pandemic when cities were locked down. Okay this is my only option to keep revenue flowing in a business that relies on cash flow and so they felt like they were squeezed into doing that. But the fact is that the margins that the big third party delivery apps cake are unsustainable there. They'll just run restaurants out of business at the end of the day and so there will be whether it's subscription based products that you then have to have a third party or last mile third party group working with you or you're getting your own staff to handle that if you look at the way drizzly in the liquor space started. That was their model. Is they would partner with the liquor stores and then liquor stores would hire the delivery staff for that would work through the drizzly app and that was because of regulatory hurdles that they had to get over because of liquor laws. But it's sort of the same thing could apply here with the restaurant space as well. Yeah i actually wonder about regulation and glad you brought that up because we have seen in the last year. Various cities not just in the us but elsewhere in the world to Start capping those fees that these delivery services can charge restaurants It's very like non standardized. There is no one percentage that you can cap it at it varies from city to city state to state. I just wonder is this a sector. That's ultimately going to need more regulation or is that not. Is that not going to be as helpful as some people hope it's going to be. I don't know the answer to that. Thought at throw it out there. China here in denver. It's definitely it's definitely interesting It's interesting from for my business. Because i what i see is oh look. We now have to create value to justify that that that margin so we'd better add range and quality and and confidence in every one of these meals or people are gonna stop paying for it and restaurants are going hurt and we need that food. I think we were talking about the news of pinera and we on the editor call this earlier this week. And just wondering why. Companies like like pizza and the pizza guys and chinese food or so optimized for in house delivery versus other. So can't be done. If it's organic to the businesses seems like versus a bolt on so just so interesting he goes up to the stage thinking you might wanna have. You might have come in on the bug conversation revenue from the profile. Hi michael thanks so much. I have been a kind of stalking you. Regulates my first time on stage. And unfortunately i i was in another room and i was like oh man. I got a jump on the food tax so i missed the conversation except for the tail. End where someone was like. I'd rather eat Mushrooms and bogs and to that point. I just wanted to say that. I i was. I'm not sure who said that. But have you ever tried eating bugs because there are over. Two thousand types of edible insects with wildly different flavor profiles with wildly different textures and functionality. And so i think that it works in my davor as an edible insect ambassador as chef. Who has the great fortune to work with a lot of universities museums across america to try to normalize edible insect explain why the un's fao the food and agricultural organization endorses. Edible insects for sustainability and Because it's nutrient dense and also provides a livelihood for so many people around the world got. I'm so glad you came onstage and man. i wish you had. You're because we had this whole conversation about meal worms and how investable spaces and so it sounds like this is something you think a lot about your your in a bachelor for you. Mentioned the united nations. After being a proponent of this which is interesting i've heard bruce feeder friedrich of gsi student basically kind of be a little bit dismissive verdict Jeff i just generally be somewhat dismissive of insects all protein source competitive things like plant based Because they don't think it's as efficient. So what are your thoughts on that. Have you heard some of those folks. Income volt protein space maybe dismissing bugs. And what what would you say to them. Well yeah i mean certainly the the job and role that i have had a. I have to have thick skin. Because there they're alive naysayers and a lot of people think in terms of extremes when they hear the i word of edible insect They think in terms of visceral disgust. And they just don't think it's possible food source for so for the first thing that we have to do is change perception and so that's why The main bulk of the work that. I'm doing on outreach and education and I'm happy to address it the plant base. And if you ever wanna to put me in a room with a good food institute to discuss merits of insight protein. Be happy to do that. But a a small case study that wanna share with you. Is that In montana state doctor florins dunkel has been hosting the bugs. I now for thirty three years for thirty years She's been trying to get the school to have insect protein. Being served outside. Above we above the faith. I go three years ago. i go and they're like. Oh so you wanna give presentations on like yes you want the buffet gassing i gave i i believe i. Twelve presentations to different departments and among them was a culinary team the dining and catering staff at instead of just purporting to the sustainability aspect of edible insects which is what floor instead. Because i know she's the scientists. And and that i was able to talk about flavor texture functionality. Look at just how incredible intact protein is and so we so we work closely with the with chefs there and providing food for every single presentation. I gave we. We cooked food and had food served at amazingly light. Bulbs went off and the executive shots and the director of of of food services were like Florence get it and this year montana state university. I land grant university to serve insect protein in their dining halls and or last year. The twenty twenty and we were gonna make so much noise about it but obviously with much of the world a covert happen and so we weren't so what's real status to the dining halls skin students he can eat in there and so we weren't really able to leverage The sorta press that would have ordinarily wanted out of something like that but that you know it just shows that we we need to get the we we need. Seven points of exposure for people accept new ideas and so people just like one thing and they'd get turned off by it. That's why it's so important to have this via internet interdisciplinary in nature and wild so happy to be able to present in not just anthropolgy. Notches food science. Not just food and hospitality But or biology plant sciences but to really be able to present this in a manner where we can really discuss. It have been discussion. It's fascinating to think that montana state cattle country. I got granted work at purdue university cattle country University of wisconsin madison also a big on cattle. And so it's fascinating to think that these states that get so much funding and has such a focus on the livestock. Industry are writing. Our grant giving me grants ago ensure my work in edible insect protein. And whether or not the merits of intact protein. I mean you know pe- people will argue the though but i'm happy to take that conversation and You know and and have a debate on plant protein. I by the way. I love lamb protein. I'm a big fan of of Plant rich diet. So i you know so i i. I'm a big fan of that. But this is michael. One solution silver bullet. We need multiple solutions in the portfolio to address climate change and to really create a new Regenerative circular system. Yeah that that last point that has just made is what is most important here is. It's definitely not a one or the other situation. It is all of these alternative protein platforms. That people are working on matter because we have a shit ton of people to feed in the future. And there isn't. We're already running into some problems around plant based proteins and the monoculture of crops that need to be grown to support the growth of plant based and then some of the questions around sell agriculture. So it really isn't a it's or this this and this and this this this in my opinion at least absolutely i agree. I don't know if you guys were talking about the the insight. Why inside that. They print out the insect purchase of those story yet. Right interestingly i. I'm part of a really fantastic team for the nasa. Deep space food challenge and Where whereas for which insect protein is the best one for deep space travel And we need to create a a module that is no greater than two cubic meters that takes an average of fifteen hundred watts that can provide food for four to five astronauts over of course of three to five years with limited resources. So it's really fascinating to to start to be in these conversations and participate in teams. Wet one of my team members as ashley One previous nasa challenges really excited to participate in this manner burr. Cole i actually just talked to the folks from them a i think yesterday and we we might have the claus in the coming week or so. But that's cool that you're participating that joseph thank you so much. I think people can go to brooklyn bugs. What is your your l. yeah Brooklyn dot com and on instagram separate. Inbox thank you so much. Thanks for contributors appreciative. Those things there's a seven points just mine real quick. I a aunts in survival program. When i was a teenager and they tasted exactly like levin heads and they were pretty. It's pretty incredible. They told me that. I did not believe it. Tastes like lemon heads like an aunt. and it is it like lemon had were pretty good in the survival school so we relied on those great who knew therefore make acid and so that that's Deflate as a defense mechanism. That's all lands. But but certain species events have f or magadan which gives it a kind of a lemony tangy Sort of flavor la times out joseph. You're making me wanna eat bugs. Which i didn't think would ever happen. Wow so congratulations. You're quite embassador. This final story is kind of related to the whole delivery conversation in chris. You wrote this week about Basically self driving delivery and how that just continuing to continuing to get more traction tell us about what's going on there. It's been a big week for self driving vehicles. At the beginning of the week we started with dell which announced they had partnered with mobile. I an intel company to develop a new. It's called transporter and it's basically on a skateboard platform. And it's an autonomous deliver vehicle and there. They've already got a preorder for thousand of them from donlan which manages and leases fleets vehicles. And their planning. Is i think to put twenty three thousand thirty five thousand by the year. Twenty twenty eight in do onto the streets They're going to focus. I think initially on sort of the middle mile delivery. He said the ceo in a press conference. That was there low hanging fruit but anyway that's They made that announcement then that was followed later in the week by neuro being tapped by dominos. Domino's is gonna use neuro for officially they've been doing pilots but for pizza delivery in houston texas or at least in one neighborhood in houston. Texas neuro. makes the pod. Like low-speed are vehicle Which doesn't have room like the transporter from utah. Doesn't have any room for a driver. It's just all cargo. And then we actually. I thought we were ended yesterday when i wrote a newsletter with walmart investing in crews self driving technology company cruise makes electric self-driving cars. And they've been piloting since november with walmart to do grocery delivery but it self driving cars walmart has invested them in them and undisclosed sum. But they've been working together since november and then across the pond over in the uk Ocado the big grocery delivery the big grocery company retailer that you know they use. They have a smart robot. Warehouses that are powering. Actually kroger's warehouse but they invested in the company called ox botica for self driving delivery vehicles. So what we're seeing is. There's still a long way to go before self driving cars are zipping around on our streets. But what we're seeing is that we're just we're inching closer and closer to it right. We're getting there with these new partnerships new programs new investments the walmart thing in particular investing in cruises interesting. They've also automated their middle mile with ganic delivery middle mile delivery autonomous vehicle startup. So it's a big week now for this kind of thing and i'm excited to see what happens to it next. I was gonna say we were talking earlier about just squeezing costs out of delivery because it's so expensive. I think obviously one of the obvious things that a lot of the bigger thing about is automation and robotics So yeah peter what do you do you think we need to move towards this type of technology to make this affordable and not such a big part of of the call structure. Yeah i mean whether need to is is the right qualifier or not is debatable. But i do think that ultimately when we talk about some of the things around last mile delivery and the efficiency of these platforms robotics matter there. And it's it's a much broader question about our society and how we employ people who are currently doing those jobs. But i think there's no question that that's where we're all headed is that you're already seen people piloting some of these much smaller vehicles in different neighborhoods whether in new york or san francisco and again. There's regulatory hurdles and things like that to get over but it's it's going to be there we we invested during my time at food ex-nasa in a company that's doing see store delivery and they're already talking to a couple of different providers about integrating that into their platform for convenience stores sooner rather than later. So you know it's one of those things i like. The i think it's kevin kelly from wired magazine. Had the the old quote the future happens very slowly and then all at once. I think with autonomous vehicles. That is definitely the case you know. We're we're going to hear about. We've been hearing about it and we're we're really close to starting to see them be a regular part of our day to day. Life must look stage. Thank you guys. Always great to be here. I think you might have forgotten one more piece of news. The kiwi bought team along with that chick-fil-a team expanding the pilot to santa monica. Why didn't forget but the keyboards a little. I mean thank you mossy. Mo- would look forward to seeing you at articulate are coming robotics and automation conference on may eighteenth st l. How did that. they're the key. Bot did make an announcement this week. It was sort of light on details though they mentioned the the chick-fil-a thing and the new robot but there's this is like a rover sized robot. So i was really more on vehicles that are going to be on public streets like neuro and you delve But definitely Kiwi bought made its own set of announcements this week And as i get more details on there. They're not giving many details. I followed up with them so when they do. I'll be happy to share them with people i got to call. You promised i wanted. I just wanted to jumping when that when jason talking i think sorry no intended but i think jason opened up the big can of worms there right with a third delivery third party delivery services and all of that on a common from jan. I'm gonna say is it's not just the cost for all operators that you talked to. It's always been this fact that you don't get the data. These are people that order your food by. You cannot get data from the from the rubble rates and so on right so when my earlier. Say how do the the chinese restaurants and all those other companies have been successful at doing their own. Deliveries is because they collected their own data might have taken two years five years ten years but they collect data now they have the data now. They can actually do their own delivery. Well talking about. How do we get past that. How do we get better bottom line. Forty operators for sure with the kiwi bonds with the neuro with all of these. Unfortunately that's not for all restaurants right because small operators. They cannot go into ballots. Situations like you know companies like others chick-fil-a or other big brands can do and go into it. So it's gonna be a long way before these smaller restaurants smaller operators can actually get into Into using this you know donald less vehicles so that they will save them tons of money in the in the delivery the other thing is here's just i dunno sometime. I think i have a crystal ball. But i'm not really sure about it. I see that look. There is a lot of ghosts kitchen companies. And you know why. I'm going there but you know clearly zule c. Three kitchen united. They all have their own platform right. Their platform charges anywhere between twelve and fifteen percent versus twenty five thirty percent. My crystal ball is telling me that very soon. We're going to see these companies using their platform their technology and license it out to a bunch of independent restaurants so that they can use the technology and pay a lot less all right. We'll check back your crystal jason. Go ahead that. I hope that. I actually have the solution for that. Data transparency that everybody needs. Because we're we're pushing the data onto the meals themselves so everybody gets a photo a real live photo and temperature reading of their meal Whether in the back end of uber eats server helping kroger or helping. A small consortium restaurants Everybody should have access to a whole lot. More data in the system. That's kind of kind of the backbone of what we're doing and i hope that a ballot as you say that because i think that's that's kind of more stone of our play here is we're we're trying to share data about the meals so that we can stop some of these losses and prevent prevent some of these bad guys from taking all the profit and frankly they're not taking profit they're just taking revenue. They're not making a lot of money. They're spending huge amounts of capital data. Such important thing. I'm glad you brought that up. Moscow this intermediation that the third party guys plays such a big deal and deserves more conversation. Well this has been one fun. We're almost at the hour. I tend to keep these like at an hour. So peter baden heimer Thank you for coming onstage and contributing and kind of. I don't know if you want to tell people you know kind of what you're going to be up to it the next few months here you. Are you hoping to talk to people in space when you do. Well i am an thanks for having me first of all. It was a lot of fun and interesting to hear. Everyone's perspectives on. What's going on over the last week for for right now. I'm actually enjoying a little bit of downtime. Which is one of the great things in life to be able to have a little bit of downtime but my plan is to to get back involved i'm still advising some companies and working in the food tech space so i won't be going anywhere and if people want to reach out to me you know. I'm on twitter. I think it's linked in my bio. Here i'll be on on clubhouse parts of some of these different conversation so Look forward to chatting with folks in the future and you could probably find. Peter nudge nudge. It our some of our events soon. So peter will try to drag into those as well so absolutely they. Keep your joining us. And jen and chris as always thank you for jumping on stage with me and jason joseph. Thanks for katrina competition. Moss moon. Denise we appreciate it guys. 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"Blue jays fans welcome to j birdwatching and we are parts of the stadium seen dot tv network. Big shoutout to stadium seen big shoutout to people that i've been working with for the past. Oh god for years now I'm proud jesmyn. Four years man I'm proud to say that you know obviously people that are familiar with my voice. End the show that i used to use to hosts a podcast called south of the six stadium. Seen dot tv was a big an integral part of the growth of that show but since ending this sort of migrated That partnership to jaybird watching So we appreciate the partnership we appreciate Help and the assistance I'm excited about it greg. I'm sure you are too and this is the start. I think of something beautiful for me. Oh we already been doing such a good job on a more and more people can get involved in this whole thing and this keep running with. It's great to easy and not to mention it. Altogether years already kind of weird that we i feel a little bit more official. I feel like i should like put the beer cans away or something. No they're they're they're great they. They're on top of everything I've had a wonderful relationship with them all this time. We've had the question. I feel like this is worth addressing. We've had the question of what is changing when it comes to our content and i'm proud to say nothing. Nothing is changing. Nothing is changing into in terms of the way this is being distributed. Nothing is changing in terms of the way we talk how we analyze the as how we analyze the game. Anything that you love and everything that you love about j. Vw is going to stay the way it is and they are just helping expand. Our product expand the show to new audiences and for that we are grateful so make sure you're following them on twitter stadium. See make sure you follow them. They have a lot of great bloggers podcasters youtubers on that network with us and we couldn't be more proud so shout stadium seed s thing is like you said you take our room shenanigans. Tv at the ball game goes through our blue jays and all that kind of good stuff is still gonna continue right here and it's going to be a fun. I don't see anything other than that. So blue jays fans the ones that have already tuned into the show this evening. Thank you for a day late because we had to like this whole not tender. Thank play out just a little bit longer. That's right our station is going to be the evening is there is a lot of fun and excitement going on in blue jalen possibly with what happens and is going to see where that goes saving during our conversation but anyway eighty one to mention where our third member trail i was gonna say does probably quite obvious that we are missing a member Brendan pennock are Had to get smuggled away. He's a witness protection program. We don't know or no. I'm kidding yeah he had some Some personal things to deal with everything is okay. There are no issues. he's healthy. He's fine he's just. I don't know how much of this you wants. Revealed on the show. But let's just say yeah. Yeah it's all good stuff. Put it that way. And he just had to handle his business so on shutout brennan. And we're gonna try to steer the ship In his absence. As best. As but craig i we had. We were familiar with each other. We've done this before was should be a breeze. It was the least forty something. I'm just saying before that you have plenty of before you know because of your south six staff our previous j. journals systems and everything and i was actually a blue jay right here for you for a little bit. They say that this is became more fun and easy this more. There's more drinks involved. The only thing we're missing is the axle ballpark behind you and This right there for me. It's sort of there. It's a puzzle. it's there it's free. Yeah we have. We have our on this poster. The fat had this behind me personally. Every time i look at just a little bit because if you look closely bluejays fans if you zoom in out this little guy right here for the jumbotron kelly. Frigging johnson us all right now You know for. Borough r resurgence didn't he who'd he was. It was it for tampa bay that he had a researcher right and then he was. There was racism. It was like how we say that adding alford eventually. It's going to be the best tampa bay. Ray outfielder like ever or the war nomination that he just got to so anyways yes Hey speaking stadiums you really good segue. Let's start there on so it's been revealed. Unofficially it's been revealed that yeah that The roger center is apparently going to be demolished and rogers is looking to build a brand new stadium. Either in the same location with other I dunno architectural ventures are surrounding or in a different location on the the issue at hand. Here is that while. Rogers owns the stadium. They're leasing the land and the land that the stadium is on. I think they had the lease until twenty eighty so they need permission to build on it. And that's where this is getting muddy but Look for me. This seems to be something that has been in the wheelhouse for a very long time. This has been something that has been discussed and debated and whether or not this needs some a facelift or an upgrade or a brand new stadium. Altogether it's exciting for me. Because i kind of think this is long overdue. I think the fact that actually having a real ball field is. I never had any problem with the actual stadium. Though thanks plano a turf is really the only thing i ever had a problem with age harder that recently with at least doing the infield right i saw. There's only so many things you can do that. Roger center wasn't it. Poppy uses regime. That was trying to actually find literally a scientific way to grow grass. and yes. He'll ballpark and get away from the multipurpose aspects of the rogers centre skied. And i i would love that. I really think that would have been the best way to attack it. Because honestly i would. I would miss it. I'm going to fall on miss the ballpark. If at is not the way it is anymore. But i see the reasoning hundred and ten billion times over. It is literally the last generation of ballparks. In major league baseball being the multipurpose mentioned regardless of the fact that it was the first retractable dome arena but it was really the green ingredient talking. At that time it was okay. The astrodome in the all the other ballparks kindle the baseball in those weren't problems or anything but i was just how baseball ballparks were seen in the late eighties and seventies still the big mosser ballpark that we can use for anything. And whether it's the rolling stones in town or you know yet soccer game or even like an toronto out of the argonauts play as long as they did. Rogers centre skydome so yeah. I can see the reason. I get the sentimentality of it. There's a certain level of nostalgia if you go up to five hundred levels you'll still see the sky dome logo on the side of the the seats. That are up there in the five hundred levels. I've seen them It certainly nostalgic is part of the toronto skyline rate. You see the dome feature in the toronto skyline can easily pinpoint. That's the rogers centre right next to the tower or the sky. Dome what have you For me it is exciting to have an actual baseball field rather than the turf as you mentioned. And that's their goal on first and foremost if people think that they're going to get rid of this aspect altogether. You're dead wrong. You can't have a stadium baseball or otherwise outdoor unless it's the first. Yes yes unless it's you can't have those types of stadiums where it relies on sunshine in order to play in toronto and have games being played in Late march early april. And think this can be done without a dome now. you can't. There's a reason why the doesn't open until i want to say mid to late. May they start opening it first office expensive soon oak. Yeah i you talking about. Moving brigade does controls entering an actual living as a lot of motor power. That you're all Pushing around and whatnot. So there's that aspect to it so in all reality it might just be that part of it my end up coming up yet wash because any new system that they buy for any kind of mechanical thing for the roof probably is going to be a lot simpler than the transforming thing that we got going on right now with rogers centre and second. It's probably a lot lighter in the middle east leak through or have didn't like ice through it or something at one point i. I couldn't remember if it was iced. Felt through it or if that was the actual sheeting fell through the the the structure. Yeah well there you go speak so. The device was a couple of winters ago that were falling off the tower during that giant. I yeah they were just coming off sheets. Landing on the roof courses breaks. It doesn't matter how well bill. That's you can only engineer for so much by long overdue. You mentioned a fun point. Because if there i really do not see the point where they would ever go away from having adult ballpark thinking into a point. Where it's got to be more open eric. Allah safeco field. Or you're going to have to get something that's more almost like caesar's son actually can you know get to the grass because like Air zona that does that for the football stadium. Or is that the one they literally wheel the grass out that in arizona because they they They use different grass for the cardinals and for their college team. But i think more like dallas dallas cowboys stadium. They had the big sunshine's shining through. I think so yeah. I think. Vikings is now made of glass all around. I'm not sure which is kind of like what. The walkie brewers park is the hill. One now. Wall is all glass and it actually the way it opens to. It's really cool. It's almost like walking out near like living room or something like that. Yeah so there's some really cool things andrea. They'll figure out for that. Because i don't see a way out of that. Exude is regardless of the fact. That it's going to be a ballpark first. Yeah bentley the foo fighters or somebody shop like. Hey hey have a concert toronto. They're gonna wanna do it somewhere. Cool like out. Whatever it's going to end up being something similar to what happened when the skydome actually open it was a sight to be seen. Come on wrestlemainia. Was there every s over the years and any big act. Spend their honestly. I slept fires years ago there and it was an ethics. I'm five hundred levels drunk off my ass out with brandon before the show was a great time road. The raptors game was at the skydome. It was for the it was played there too. I forget who was. They were showing that on twitter the other day. Somebody had the Feed going like. What was your best roger center memory. Really i can find that while we're discussing here but there was a lot of things like hulk hogan fought the rock wrestlemainia. Like twenty two or something like that. Yeah event and it was crazy. Things like that for yeah. It was all kinds of things like that. But i you know i remember when i was a kid. My parents took me college there. So things like that. But like i set any big actor can play at all. Parts is that yes. It's not just that it's you know when when you break it down to a baseball level first of all there are a lot of moving parts when it comes to this but let's if we fast forward to win if a when the stadiums actually built right let's say by twenty twenty five. This stadium is done and everything's all worked out. They have the the space in the real estate to do it period story you know within the following five years so this is done in two thousand twenty five by twenty thirty. Toronto's having another all star game always say percents honestly. I don't know how they haven't had that to begin with anyway. Regardless of the the quickly aged part of this ballpark. Because i'm sorry to say. I think the one of the blue jays old management people said the best online the other day during all this i saw. He said that he goes. I love our ballpark. I love every aspect of it and then the following year. I want candidate arts and he goes. That just changed everything of course. Yeah and how many all star games they had there. Just one right. One in ninety one was the My dad went to and this is a funny stories. I've mentioned it. Because i am the ball right here. He went to the home. Run derby and everything with my uncle and a bunch of people and came back and he goes. Hey i got you something that it was just the all star game night so a few years ago. Dzhokhar happened to be here in town in rochester for blue jays night of the rochester red wings. Because they're in the buffalo bisons. Joe carter was signing autographs and i told him my dad got see you. In the ninety one all star game he did was bringing this baseball and he got a good laugh. It nice signed to give it back to me. Well look you brought up rochester. And i think this is a nice again. A nice segue segue points for you craig. When it comes to this to this rebuild you got to imagine. Buffalo is now on the mind for a temporary home for the blue jays for our along a taste as if they're going to demolish the rogers centre. Let's say all things go according to plan. Because i think. Ideally rogers wants to have this new stadium in the same space. And they'll they'll not down. Yeah i don't know it's gonna. It'd be horrible to ruin that area town with just an empty ballpark or not putting something that epic right back in. Its place that is no you traveled like i have all over the country and everything done that and seeing all kinds of different shapes and sizes all parts that is literally one of the best locations. I've ever been to in any ballpark. Yeah saying something. For some of my favorite parts. I bet to milwaukee brewers miller park. That is one of my favorite baseball stadiums. I've ever been to but guess what it's just. The stadium in that area resent nothing. Susan bank in philadelphia for the phillies. Same thing. it's like ok. Guess what you're in the area affiliate others were arenas. That's all there. Yeah it's like a quite austere bar. So the the fact that you're literally living breathing toronto in that area that city and then you get to go see blue. Jay game lights out. Yeah so you got to build it on the same area and you. So you figure that's going to take probably about a year or two maybe three to get it just right In so in the meantime i mean they could play in various locations in canada. Maybe they i don't know how well exhibitions doing right now. i wouldn't necessarily wanna play there for a full season if on the blue jays or the opponents so if buffalo is on the table a wall star there. Do you think it's a realistic possibility that this team could play a full one. Sixty two for numerous years in buffalo because bear in mind if they do that. That's bad news for the bisons very bad news because in all reality is gonna end up. Push them cider evans. The weirdest schedules. Ot's in in baseball writer but I honestly after in what we've talked about on this show many time. I don't see this. Kobe thing going away. Quick enough where. I don't think the blue jays are gonna add anything. Bought the option of playing somewhere else like buffalo. And i think if this is even gonna continue. We saw what they did for a temporary cease new buff. It would not shock me if the Like let's say that right now. The bluejays said that they were gonna play in buffalo. I would think the city of buffalo pour money into that ballpark helped get something. Better going on in that ballpark ryan if they now. There's even a hint of this fact that it's going to be because also because of renovation to the actual major ballpark in toronto. I think they're gonna sign right up. They just rely renewed their affiliation with tea. And honestly i would imagine that it was even lights out more because of what happened over this past year and how that relationship was only strengthened with us the niagara falls region of ultra cars. Yes i would assume that buffalo would be on the shortlist of definite locations To me it just makes more sense that way again. I don't know what they would necessarily do with the bisons baby Like you said it would be a weird schedule dance or maybe the blue jays multiple homes and again if if we're talking to three years i'm hoping and i think you know this is the assumption in two years from now. Maybe this whole covert thing. It probably won't be on the radar the you'll probably see crowds again and whatnot and in that. Yeah in in that regard a two years from now on assuming stadium. Construction is underway. Maybe you'll have crowds there and you'll be able to do the song and dance and look that's a really good thing for the economy of buffalo. You could potentially be having baseball games all the time all the time baseball on that attracts people. Especially i'm still going to be able to work remote. I'm just gonna frigging find a place to live there. She's saying just park. Park your share rate in the outfield or behind it and just chill your computer family in buffalo. I'm sure we can get the jv w team some room and board for helping the mow the lawn and what you brought up at that point and i really think that something's going to happen happen regardless of the fans not being able to go to a ball game right now and probably for the foreseeable at least a good part of the year unless something. Drastic changes in the vaccine thing actually works. Would you say at least half the season. i don't see how anything but at least the star. Why why it's good at this. Point is not yet sucks but at least then that gives them time to sell tickets all out of the kind of stuff. They don't worry about things like that. They're going to love to have people all season for all one sixty two. I just don't see how the logistics of that fall in line right robert right now and it's not like people are lying down the street right now by blue jays tickets because they don't know even if there's gotta be he's right which i think is going to be a problem because they've worked well for sixty so i figure i at least got short seat. I mean at least it's not gonna be any games in toronto because the border still closed. And that's at least that's that's pretty indefinite and i don't think that matters susan office on either side of the personally. I think that's just how it's going to be for the foreseeable future. L. c. h. Quickly all right. I was going to finish. I was going to mention the fact that also on the facts of the buffalo bisons. Let's say they do get bumped out of buffalo because bluejays there. Yeah we already seen the more or less or blue jays or playing here in rochester. The extra theory is already there is. It's close enough that maybe some of the home games for the buffalo bisons are here in rochester when the now knew what rochester red wings washington nationals affiliates is not playing after that. That would be where schedule stuff. Because they're not. There's an our part. It really isn't too bad if it had to do. They would probably do that more for league team. I would think to get over the hurdle and make sure. There's still a minor league season. Because i can tell you right now. People very happy here in rochester. The nationals are town over the twins. Yeah yeah well. Let me throw this out. You pawtucket rhode island. We just lost the pawsox. Bro we got a full stadium. Not being used. It's relatively new but it's not being used rate so look at worst comes the worst of rochester's like yo buffalo. You can't play here packed with the redwings come down to pawtucket. Come down in rhode island. You have a full stadium at all think. There is going to be a lot of days. I'll seats airing your your. And we've already been hearing rumblings about what the blue jays affiliates are. Look like for our friends at helton. It kinda sounds like the bluefield blue jays unfortunately are dot along with that whole wonderful apalachee. I was great anti but unfortunately that might be the story for a lotta minor league. Baseball tastes array. Talking about changing the Did english as a regular single eight really abbott. A it just seems really weird to me. Unless they're literally thinking about because everything else going on restructuring that the fact that the whole florida state Level and they were talking about flipping it so the midwest league is the advanced age so our friends at lancing log odds. Yeah it was really weird. When i read that the other day on your 'cause to me it gets a play longer in florida. Yeah you would think that would be the extended the advanced level. Yeah well both leagues are always very very so i wouldn't that be a big change for either. Unfortunately this is going where yeah unfortunately. It's a blessing in disguise. I obviously you don't want to see these minor league team suffer. But at the same time it's going to open up ballfields. This may give the blue jays options thereby giving buffalo options or new hampshire. Whatever down the line to close up on this on this new stadium talk though. Is there anything in particular besides real grasp besides dirt on just in terms of i. Dunno the the spoils of a new stadium. Is there anything in particular that you would do. We agree it's going to be in a dome. We agree that maybe it's a new high tech ala's safeco field Maybe their grass dirt. Whatever what are you looking for on this new stadium. I'm gonna continue the conversation at eight hundred. Our goofing around within cup holders colors every wrote that in his article. I sent them a message on twitter. And i said why is this a problem and a guy carrying pretty years and he was looking around you not as we all go off argued come back with four beers to each hand. And you're like exactly got this down the hatch. Some things like that. I really. I don't think there's anything. The current ballpark doesn't realize so at least compared to for my my other travels. I don't really care about the area edition of the flight deck was key. I really hope it keeps some kind of a giant like andrea l. And i want. I really wish i knew what it was like. During a game for the ballpark sold out on the flight deck and just having a game going on yeah i. I came to imagine what that was like during the backflip. Yeah and i do want it to be an enclosed dome. Just because i don't want to lose the don't field advantage that i feel like we've had said yes. Yeah i epic During the baffler. But i was there during the first major opportunity. That trade to lewinsky. Add just like you hear bat. I guess marianna rivera. And i was on the us the lower level by the third base foul pole. And it's an area the ballpark for football game. Where actually rotates out. So it's on in hollow underneath just feeling everything shaken through just insane. Because everybody's not where i was like twenty two bat. Some of that it was insane in a unfortunately ends up. Triple butts lettuce. Hey i would like to see some craft beer some good beer there I want you wiser when you're a candidate. No i get that here. I'll take some blues though blues available where you are not really readily available here but if in yeah if you got the zuma's cans i'll take those off. I'll see if i can find some. I got my. I have a couple over here just like by ninety. Three world series beer. Can that still are you. Shapiro was daring me to drink that if we won in two thousand fifteen and if we won in twenty fifteen i would gladly put that on twitter video. Yeah at that point yeah That's all i don't really care about any of the other amenities i'm with you. It's all that stuff is greedy. Just keep it in the downtown area. Make it accessible make it safe make Sort of even around The diamond when it comes to No i don't like the pesky pole our the triangle at fenway. Just just make it even one thing. I've airline people goof around with on twitter not actually said the same one who was lower the fence get a normal fence height. Yeah push it back. Four or five feet. Whatever it is you don't have is legendary some of those kind of power catches in dot catch on white That is a really weird height for wall. Really really you're and doing something like you're doing at fenway park with the green mosser or something odd there's no real reason or rhyme to it. That was just literally how they get that not every ball. they'll go out of the rogers centre. That was the difference because you noticed seats. There's a law yes yes. We had kansas city. Ask them to do that. Reaches level over the wall to catch. That should have been on run right meister. Get hope they keep that idea least for the fans seats on the outfield wall are above the bullpens going to do anything on the outfield wall. It'll be interesting to see. Because i think those. Are you end up doing something where they're gonna have to grow grass. They're going to have to have open air somewhere. Which sucks because. I love sitting on the outfield wall. Those bog. Yes nothing really. Cool about having that aspect in that vision for the game There's only been a few other ballparks. I've gone to that have that you know that ridiculous view and milwaukee being one of them they have the bleachers out left and right field and then it's the big scoreboard and center right Those are the kind of things that add a lot of a ballpark. another mention. If you're somebody that does go the ballpark. Those little different fields from sitting here sitting there not always being in the same orientation for bogging can help and i would think for season ticket holders. They would love to have that feel hop around seats. Do some things like that to get that different deal especially in the depression years in the angry birds that ballpark pretty empty over our how. You always always seats. We used to drive up and just go get the nine dollar seats exactly where wherever. Good times all right. Let's let's let's get away from the stadium. Talk about one of the voices of the stadium. Yeah let's let's talk about wilner. Not very popular among the diehard bluejays fans. I would say some call him. Rogers apologised some call him rather condescending. Some have called him just not just stubborn to the bone I don't wanna hate on them. And and i know a lot of people you know like i said i don't like them. I don't wanna hate on them. I don't know the circumstances surrounding why he was like go or why they broke off the relationship him in rogers sports net rather. But i don't like to see anybody lose their livelihood. Don't and i don't personally have any gross with them Comes to how he called games. I didn't mind it. I really didn't I liked the susie azam. When a big moment happened he had a nice tone to his voice in that regard But when it came to his postgame blue jays talk. I can understand why people are frustrated with his takes You know the whole. It's not over yet. Wilner ism where they're they're clearly eliminated but mathematically they're not so according to him there still chance obviously that's true but in reality it's not. Are you surprised. By one of the most loyal rogers employees for sports that employees on has now been released or let go or the relationship severed Are you surprised by this. I was honestly wonder why didn't have a few years ago. They really bent lagman. And then i feel like they didn't know what to do with ben wagner there for a bit 'cause they had will so. I thought that you mentioned the timing of all this whole thing and i immediately but my you know conspiracy theory on a little weird that the stadium news came out and then five seconds later wilner was gone. You think he leaked it. I'm wondering a leaker. It doesn't seem like that either. It is just one of those things. That's why the same day if you were gonna let him go and you had that other. Don't news story. That went out today where you really want it to come out. It sounds like this is we would've Heard something official. I think from the team other than the Rumblings that we've gotten from beat writers and everything like people like us talk. It just seemed rather odd to be struck me as that. But i'm not. I'm not saying that. Please don't quote me one of those things. That seem weird because if you were gonna fire him in anything unless something odd happened to the point where there was all of a sudden to sour note could've got let him gracefully or something like that. Call a couple of games spring training and it's a step side or something like that and said don. I would assume that when you love the fact. I've been wagner's get a little bit more out of this deal though being the buffalo. You know all the way he calls again i to me he. I think you hit the nail on the head during the game. I didn't mind wilner because the enthusiasm but after an all round. I had a little bit of like really the opinion. I don't feel like that's all over. It is or just jumping right to the point where i do feel like ben wagner knowing him in meeting him a few times i feel like he is always that it uses the class act in run run runway with that job and he's gonna probably old underway for years. I really think staying. I think there was a dynamic thing there that they didn't know what to do with and they're trying to dragon more blue jays fans or keep existing blue jays fans happy. Maybe it was just as simple. As that more i think you obviously. This could be just a changing of the guard thing inside jerry. They really haven't had anything to consistent. Even with wilder and wagner back and forth it was boost taking these innings today about. Yeah yeah you know with the rumors. Are that jerry. Didn't really like wilner because i guess tom cheek didn't really liked jerry. I don't down hate things won't was a. He was widely influenced by cheek and Obviously that was a bond that they had. Because i guess he helped Wilner through his initial ships. Yeah and i guess by proxy that means they had some he and when he went. T- being jerry retired. I think the assumption maybe by a lot of people and again. This is all speculation. This is not anything official. I at least. I was assuming that wilner was going to be the guy because at this point wagner wasn't there and then i heard about wagner coming up and i said okay. This must be something to this. There must be something up and you know you still have sydell calling some place. Yeah i like him. I like a i think he's got a good grasp of the game. it's just to me. I'll always considered wilner and apologised. I always considered him. Someone that would always have company. I was the company man and they let them go and to me. That's like known is fucking safe anymore. No i can't get into your foot down on that like okay. While he's the one that was more or less just saying anything ever against the grain. Yeah somebody does go against the grain. Yeah if he's an you gotta win the imagine. Yeah you got to imagine that. Tsn or is it yet. Tsn or tnn. He's going to be working. Probably what j. p. c. dot. Who sports or that yeah. They're they're trump at the bit to have him shoe on rogers so to me. This is just. It's surprising but at the same time. I like the idea of having new voices they're younger. Voices into me this also signifies that may be a matter of time before we're gonna get maybe new television play by play by play guys. Who are scou- start somewhere. Yeah yeah. I can see exactly where you're going on that. I think this is where in the midst of trying to reach reshape. Their image with these young lawyers said anything out so it really wasn't if that literally isn't salon and only reason. I thought it was really odd. Timing stuff. I agree Well hey you know what we know enough money. We live with it on the field. Sorry one announcer. Exactly all right. We'll let me Let me hand. Microphone over to you. Because i know this has been something that you wanted. Well we you and i am. Brennan have had a lot of conversations about springer. so why don't want to take over onto the agenda. Still walk me. Do my my shooting on everything. Look i had the. I two now you can get the next to call show all so where it only brennan was here to make sure that. Divide around the screen topless apart so anyway on that no blue jays fans all of you have been hearing that the blue jays are not only interested but they had been having extended talks with george springer. Which would lead one to believe that. He is at least contemplating the idea that. Hey you know what tronto could be feature. It sounds very very possible at must mean that the offer is on the table at least enough to the point where you know. Got the worm on the hook and you're trying to drag the fission brennan aren't brennan adam in the midst of this. Are you shocked by hearing this. I get that it's exciting. The fact that we're bringing somebody that is a high tier free agent if this lands but is this. I know you will agree lettuce. Good move for the blue jays. And obviously i'll let you do that and we'll talk back and forth here i am. I surprised answer your first question that he's considering it yes. I'm not surprised that the blue jays were pursuing it off. And if george springer is legitimately considering toronto could we've seen the progression as you've alluded to the progress you know all they have interests. Oh they have serious interest. Oh they've done more than just talk on water to easily deepen yeah committing and for me. It's just like them. Money must be good the money and the contract offer must be good for some a perhaps the most high profile free agency free agent rather in the class of twenty twenty twenty two thousand twenty one to consider seriously toronto and that's not shit shitting on toronto at all but we know how difficult is for. Toronto signed free. Agents your reasons. Why exactly jing in the near future. So hopefully the contract offer is good. If i were a betting man in order for it to be good and for someone like george springer to consider. It wouldn't shock me if we're looking at a six year deal. I think it has to. Yeah i re-. I don't think the five year would get it done for right now. Is i think the biggest thing is. We are competing with the mets. And all of a sudden extra twenty four million dollars to throw money at somebody with this year with the drama not to mention their new management group is going to want to come in and make a splash. They still don't have a gm though. Still don't but i don't care what is going on. Cohen might just allow near. Gm assigned george springer on. You're you're talking about a guy that like like you said. He is the best available free agent on market. If you will that honestly makes move. That could be the reason. He actually gets the watts. That's that's the same thing as what we were talking about trying to get other free agent ballplayers come toronto. You get somebody like him. That is the big fish that just shows that every general manager out there that you've got the backing of somebody that is serious about winning a world series so i mean so flip that to toronto though if we signed him are we serious about winning the world series now. I think we're already serious than even the pond here with even talking to him and it is getting serious. They wanna make. This team is good as taxis period. There's no rhyme or reason other than that to me so if you're talking about signing the best free agent on the market they want to win and they want to win now so as a lot of money to be invested in a guy for even if they were doing the five year deal and correct me. If i'm wrong it'll be thirty. One yes season. So yes i learned from this show man. I never signed a guy after thirty. I mean this is prime years. Though like think of edwin think of jose think these are prime years for an outfielder if it was an infielder with a little bit more tread on the tires i'd be a little weary but as an outfielder and the big thing was sprayers. He is insanely athletic. Talk worst case scenario. What was he becomes. Your everyday left fielder. Instead of center. Fielder man i'll see him ever being the guy that's the jolie unless he's all of a sudden can't stay off you which it when his history. I don't see that being an issue. He's been period. I think the blue jays know what they're investing here. And i know what they'll get the reason throw money at it. Get us guy. That's worth it period right so i agree with all that on the flip side of the coin. I i made it abundantly clear. That i can't i can't reward him for being part of that team with the astros and i don't care what level of involvement was to me. This is the same thing as if you were going to sign a alex. Rodriguez or manny ramirez. Whoever it might be after you knew they were cheating. So by socks didn't know man he was using or allegedly knowing's thoroughbred money. I'm found out after all right. Whatever they did the right thing and let trade him off the dodgers on barely anything after that manny would blue jays have had a history of off not had they add some players that have had problems on it but really the only guy i can think of off the top of my head out of the fact is that milky cabrera dumpster. Dole's they got two solid years out of him yes after. He was caught in san francisco with steroids. Everybody else has been you know. After the fact that chris capello's of the world and everybody like that. I don't know it. That part of this whole thing scares me for a general magic group that is preaching culture culture team. Were all this other stuff above and beyond everything else and you're talking about like i said he could be the nicest guy on the planet i don't know but the problem is i feel like i'm rewarding. My child for stealing or something like that. Do i don't want to bring that into my clubhouse and watch it become a- like a hillenbrand ship is sinking all over again or whenever the drama that you can inject into what in my opinion right now is already a team that can win. I think we are a couple of key acquisitions like springer away from being a serious serious contender. But some of the other guys. We're gonna talk about here in a minute. I think might be a better. Spent that george springer. If i had a crystal ball and i could look through it and i said by signing springer to a six year deal. You're guaranteed one world series clean. I still don't know. Actually i would. I would take it. I promise right. Now i also think that we can get there without spring. I really do. And maybe it's just because we also decide the three guys just dumped. Yes out of nowhere onto the frigate free agent market. And honestly i don't remember a non tender deadline that has the names on it. That just happened. I read so you add anything on springer before we dive into that real quick if you if you had to guess if it was a six year deal how much do you think it is. Ib shocked if it's like not thirty ballpark for thirty per. Yeah i'd really would because just because who's involved in the competing for getting it and the other people that needed quality center fielder likes or teams like the red sox. I just want to start over and start over quick though. There's a lot of people in the george springer sweepstakes and i think a lot of people bluejays included even with the non tenders feel like the outfield. Marcus very thin through free agency anyway. Yeah so there's obviously some plenty of room through trades. It seems like all of a sudden to so we'll see whereas whole thing goes but it really wouldn't shock me that the blue jays are actually a lot in. It wouldn't shock me right now. From what we're hearing that he is starting satterfield or twenty twenty one and i will not complain about it under scared by ballpark rato That's all i have to say about it. Okay so we want to exaggerate. Show our show title era of under going to the the meeting betas good. It'd mean tators so anyway. There yesterday was the major league baseball non tender date so for anybody that is not aware of what that data means two days all these. I must sign whoever back to a contract arbitration eligible if their arbitration-eligible they have a told next week or something like that. It's a good week different items to either offer arbitration to a player or flat outside so the not tender tender deal is like i said they had to offer contracts whom to basically keep him on the roster are they player gets a chance to go to free agency. A couple of years is really wanna boils down to the names on yesterday's teams list. That didn't get tender. Let's talk bluejays. I eight j cole. And travis shaw do not get to come back to toronto at least on the contracts that they had right exactly this coming season and in all reality. It wouldn't shock me if they bring. Aj back on a regular cheap. Maybe even a minor league deal. Even as i don't think cove happened in the short game season. He obviously what had is good of a chance of rain roster but it happened in the actually did really well other than he probably should have been out on the mound anyway. We talked about that extensive. So are you shocked by the blue jays. Decisions here by letting go at least for the time being shot at aj call. Cole was a little bit more shocking. To me than shaw shots. I don't wanna say. He didn't meet expectations because the expectations were quite low for him coming in and i thought he was there for veteran pri peace and just sort of approve it deal for him. No i cole was the more shocking one and you know i think the more interesting part of the whole cha- being non tendered is the fact that I think it was Atkins that said they can really see. Cabin play third. Which is i. don't be around with that idea the show a little bit but officially that was really odyssey so to me that makes me think against my wheels turning. Because first of all that means maybe they. Maybe that's a to motivate vladi. Maybe to say oh you know. Third base is up for grabs. And maybe that motivates a lot because body has been outspoken about saying. I want to be the everyday third baseman and i wanna earn that position. Back okay cool. But let's just say they sort of wanna you know sort of reshape things. They put cabinets third. Okay well who's playing second. Well maybe there. They have a good idea that if they get endure. Maybe bo play second. It's not the most outrageous thing and if that's the case that's pretty solid infield right there. That's slightly ridiculous. You've acted like that would have that happened to i. Still throw the brick money at george springer. Yeah probably yeah. Just if i'm already make it that much more ridiculous anyway. Why not keep that out. I also was wondering if it came down to me. Picking between shot in. Oh to move to third. I would i pick up. Yeah exactly just. Because he's got the rifle for an eye and not to mention range that he shows that short i think which insulate to just one of the best field sides of baseball even if you put in it like they were talking about in jeans subaru as but i would think if they blue jays brought in jeans dicara he will be playing second base all day everyday. Don't think anything different than that. And that would be the one thing that would push that over. So that was the other random rumor that came up yesterday and it solidifies into that same conversation. We were just talking about this cabinet visual thing. What do you think of a bounceback candidate. Like jean gora. In lieu of not being able to get one of these other guys. We have mentioned to one of the big fish market. Got a really good year a few years ago. Yeah if it's just like a reclamation project and the the contract is outrageous. i'm down God his name escapes me talk. He played for the for the jays two years ago. And we traded him to milwaukee wins. Oh yeah yes. Yeah if it's something like that. Obviously he's not going to be the league minimum because that's what we signed so guard force not going to be a league minimum deal for but if we can get him on a cheap deal and it's sort of a he plays that vr position or that vr role that he was traded floors play until he fucked around chore. I have no issue with depth. Man i i would not like it to be taken away from someone like cavin or bow depending on the position aspect but Schorr it just shocks me. That they're even thinking about this. Because when i and this has nothing to do with kevin statin craig mitchell. A second base hasn't been Play baseball anywhere. He wants on this diamond. Yes it would not just something about his make. News is how we get to the baseball on everything. He cuts the ball. Perfect for me at second base is what he looks like. He belongs there. I know we a lot of this. Could just be literally repetition. Those games he played at third base just seemed out of place. It didn't seem like he was doing good or bad or anything. Weird like that but it was just. This didn't look like i have a third baseman mindset in my head i'm trying to get a guy that plays third base all day everyday. Let's say scouting. I just wouldn't pick current day haven't busy. Oh as third base. Unless he's literally spent all spring training doing nothing third base and. I still wonder if he'd get i would agree. I think that when you're talking about him as an everyday third baseman it gets kind of peculiar. But if we're talking about what. I liked about kevin and i know everybody that's watching and listening knows. He's my man crush monday here but when it comes to cavin what i liked about him is outside of second base which i feel is his more natural position He could adequately fill in here and there on other days in other positions right. So you're right he's not gonna do you it. Yes there's a feeling he's not gonna wow you at third but if say vladi needs a day off or whoever's playing third base needs day off you can rely on him to adequately fill in that spot at third base and not have to clench your teeth. Every time there's a ground ball hit him. He'll hold his own same thing in the outfield. He played any position that was asking to him with out. Hesitation without a fuss. And that's what makes me like him so much is that he can adequately do. He's like diet. Ben zobrist ray. He's not he's not at that level yet where he can play almost any position yet. I'm day day's yes. That's what i'm thinking. And so if he if he's going to be. The primary third baseman have issues. If i if. I had to take cannabis second base. If i had. Let's say i brought in a second baseman baseball history. And i needed a place to put cabin guccio. I would think i'm putting him in the outfield's billion over quicker or even maybe first base because he's actually a really tall second base. Yeah i take him in center. I i really think that he would stick insider printed out. He's not going to be the guy that runs down like every crazy ball will like a gazelle like jonathan davis center field. But he's gonna get to every fricken ball. You need to get to play these guys in well. Exactly arm that would carry. While is center. I have some issues with him playing right because of his arm. And i would. If we didn't have auras correal junior. I would put it in left field every i really wouldn't even think about it and i've always wondered how much of that equation. Actually ever move laura's Juniors canon of arar tube right. Yeah so there's some weird moving parts here but let before we dive into a whole turn shows were added video. Your let's talk where some of these other moving pieces could go here. adam. And i don't have you dove into this list of the actual full names on the not tender lists. Have you really dove into some other guys other. We were taxed back and forth yesterday on it really. I was like oh crap really look at the list and the majority of them don't excite me but the ones that we were talking about in our in our group tech's i was. I was thinking to myself. This could be a solid fit But i don't necessarily think they're game changers but they're definitely solid fits Yeah i don't know if there's one in particular you want wanna talk. What i we didn't talk about that i was kind of especially with all the surveys talk at everything and this guy was notorious for destroying the yankees and i time the phillies happened to come to town. Ness mikhail frankel. The royals of the nfl season last year didn't really find himself air. But we know. I seen what this guy can do in chile. And he's only twenty eight young. Yeh as good as third base is a good solid class. Act of a player to team player from everything. I've read and honestly right. Now if let's say stuff kind of fizzles out for the blue jays in some of these trade moves or anything. I think this is a guy who could bring in. That will have recap the american league east. I really really think that he would be a comeback of the year level player coming into the toronto and i don't know if i could say that for some other ballparks or teams playing with either something about that fit that screams picking up. Justin spoke nothing to me. But maybe that's just my opinion on it. What do you got. Have you seen cal franken enough to know that he released butchers. The yankees yes. Yeah and look if it's a reclamation project kind of thing i don't have an issue with it This is one of those low risk high reward kind of contracts much light to so guard contract that. I referenced earlier but i obviously think that a franco would get more money than than that. It wouldn't be a league minimum league baseball starting salary. I in any team to be a bench player. But like i said if you don't have another basement and this is where three weeks out from spring training and he's still available that raises the blue jays floor and actually could give us some better defense and some offense pop and keep everybody by the rat. People around is my worry like making the kind of visual you. i'm looking at is his fang graph page and they have them estimated or projected to be just under two wins. I if it's if it's a one and one deal kind of approve it a one in an option. Sure sure. I think that's actually where he's gonna have to. Because these in that ballpark right now. You remember wenn was dexter fowler. Science the cops. Yeah i that contract that he got that. I really think that he would be in that same kinda mold that you're open. He's got bad on himself for a year. Yes and then could get paid. And he's got the potential of somebody like that along with a few of these other names on this list. So i guess we could keep diving into some of these. Sure when i think you were Kind of keen on was the twins. Let go of eddie rosario ready we were talking. I i honestly love that. You're solid outfielder. And he really could get thrown into being without the current law that we have before outfielders on a rotation with Ned that would really be a hell of a potential for offense and defense with that quadrant of players. And i think that would really fit bluejays. What they're trying to do with having all this weird flexibility with do you think this would cost you a pretty decent amount of salary because we're talking about someone that's still kinda young. I think on the franco deal. This will probably be maybe a to an extra year contract. I think he's going to command a little bit more. The i- strange feeling that he'll command at least a two year and what it will take to get him will have in some kind of a mutual option for that third year. It leaked right right. If not a playoff let him bet on himself a little bit. So i mean he's too young. I'm kind of weird. Best played well up into this in season. I really don't see how he went ca- match by any major league team baseball looking or where he's a corner outfielder to me. I really think he can play centerfield. But i like i said i think it's one of those things that you don't move don't move. Anybody are outfield to keep all that. You keep rosario and you're gonna have to rotating those guys in and out of da spike because in my opinion. I don't think richardson centerfield. No czar. You're kind of actually same player but rosario has the ability possibly three hundred seats better basketball skills but do you think that that would be a sort of a way to dissuade them from signing with toronto. Because you've got to believe that he's going to get offers to be an everyday outfielder right and i agree with you. That he's national corner outfielder. But you can't move guerrilla away from left. And if you want to have any hope to extend tasker you kinda gotta give him what he wants and if he wants to stay in right field then you're corners are up so if he can translate to a center fielder and this is assuming we don't get springer sure but i just don't know that a deal is going to get done because i do see teams sort of saying no. We'll give you a full-time gig and left for. I think it would be a lot of it. In the midst of everything going on with mario that he would be a contingent move a trench. Right i really. He's in that ballpark. And i think he'd be really solid. I think if you've got let's say they did the the infielder you've got somebody that solidify our shield and you had to trade grischuk is throw win or somebody. From our outfield. You know platoons and whatnot requires instant plug in and you're right back where you were and probably better because i really think that resolve guy. I guess based better than cricket gurriel at scares me all day every day. I'm i honestly. I don't think we've even seen the. I think we're i still think we've only seen flash so at moria sklar scary all junior can. Do i really really think there's still a lot. More potential from 'em than what we've been seeing the way heat is districts that we have seen flores. I really think those are the real artists. And i feel like he just has slumped for a day. And it's like oh crap and then last week and then he's right back to being. Oh my god really. Yeah i really think that Junior in the next three years is going to be in the ballpark conversation with one of the best outfielders baseball and i hope to yeah exactly philosophy because the only ones that saw this coming were probably people in the yet so on the outfield conversation. Let's say the rosario thing completely fizzles out. And i'm looking for something else or like we said we literally outfielder a bat period. David doll was released. I the colorado rockies los and honestly i have really enjoyed watching david doll play for the rockies. He screams all. I don't know why he is. Rate is solid contact. There's a nice quickness is swing. I really think that guardless if the blue jays are looking for an extra bat and let's say is just because they something happens where they end up trading like roddy till as or whatever it might be an falls out from trade. Whenever i can do to get david doll in toronto because in all reality i don't even talk enjoy spring around the show but he automatically for the rockies tender probably moves into the top ten available outfielders right off the bat without even thinking about just like resilience in all reality stealing for david doll. I is a little higher than Presario and he's only twenty seven not thrown a three year contract item right now if we if we were needing desperately outfielder to thinking. I really wouldn't thirty least on employees. I still put an option. They're just you want to have some sort of prove it. Yeah i mean you you definitely are going to be competing with a lot of other teams for service. But i like the flexibility. Because i do think that he can. He can play He's not just geared towards one position in the outfield. he can't play multiple positions the outfield and that gives you a certain level of flexibility that These other players that we're talking about don't necessarily lend you. I like it in there but again it just depends on what we're if we're giving them like to in an option at i don't know wh- thirty i i don't i i think i honestly. His contract would look very similar to what we gave random check but i think the ceiling is higher. That's that's a little much for because we give. We rented like a five didn't we those very frontloaded. Wanna give them a five. Though i don't. I don't think i don't think you get on the years i think you can. I think you could get it done with three for that money. That you giving fritzy over those threes is. I don't think you give them. I think you hold them onto thirty and then you'll be able to go and he's still got high to re signed a do something else for his career. If you ask you going just watching him play in poors field. Yes i said horsfield. He looked like he was hitting the ball harder than a lot of guys on that team. And the two seasons or play seventy seven games. One hundred games bed to seventy three three zero two with sixteen home runs basically it each season and it's twenty nineteen season he was. This guy is on the rise. Still twenty twenty obviously screwed up everything. Twenty four games hurt. That is an opportunity for the blue jays. Maybe to buy low because of that us. I don't think it's gonna hinder too much because of the competition all son lineup for david to all but right i just think it's athleticism. Goes this guy that would be a safe bet for whatever money you end up having it throw at asia's fucking money when it added up because a non tender draft pick station or anything affiliated with these players are on this list. All of a sudden for free agency saw literally. You just thought proper money at it. Get me a flyer. It's just one hand or our we could just get a d. eight and guess kyle over watch. I literally hit home. Runs off the flight deck all day every day. They still had that ball at you. Hit the play offs encapsulated on top of that frigates overboard wrigley. It's just it's like literally in a little globe but the monster Does nothing but rake. But i honestly would. Our outfield is nothing but a d. h. draw. I don't know how much that gets Shorter is legit. No but if the season started tomorrow. I really wanted to seize a center fielder. Our tomorrow junior as a guy that is young young and on the rise. I really think that we actually were able to get everything. They needed out of them. I really don't and not the much of the guy who runs and base at is a difference of bluejays dumpster diving finding domon white. Yeah i it's all the player so and that was on the foot down david. What are demand white with that at that point. You gotta imagine that. Great chuck is on the outs arbor site. He's got be at that point though. Let's talk this we talked. Is there any other. Physicians wanted to touch on quicker. Should we dive into. The few pitchers would be i would assume in the sites of the trump losers knowing pitchers got so data holder was one that i thought was very interesting for a team. That's gonna probably wanna add a veteran prizes to bullpen. How the brewers Unfortunately corey can evil already Swept up literally five minutes. But i thought he was interesting by an an i a another coupla closures at one we even had ryan to para and then Has less i think could fit for the blue jays. Bullpen very nicely and that is way above what we've been doing over the last decade. Seems like adam as far as dumpster diving and hoping for the best for our role as being able to throw a moderate amount of money at with a team that has like lack of budget at all right now. Army lack of Expenditure is something about. Those guys stood out to me for a team. That's could be looking for adding around ryan baraki k. And all these other guys are probably uniform. Our bullpen this year for a team that we're kind of right now leading on the fact that join romano's gonna be healthy enough to run into the closer role is kind of what it seems like right now without and giles. There is much raphael delays. I think he's going to have to earn that job. Bluejays for twenty twenty one regardless out based brad away with at the end of this past. Yeah i look when it comes to relievers as sort of the last thing that i add only because of how cheap they aren't how widely available there. I don't think of these guys are going to command a bag right and i think i think come closer to spring training or whatever it's going to be you're going to have largely this list available What i like ryan to para just for the familiarity short. But i don't think it's gonna come ease really at high demand given the fact that he's thirty three on. There's a lot of last year. You go so winning. Yeah if it's gonna cost me little money in an. I imagine a lot of these relievers would because again you really just. It's a shot in the dark because one year reliever could be lighting it up. The next day falls flat on his face. Look zal so yeah. I do think they're going to bring back aj cole. I think that was sort of implicit in this. They sort of had to make the move otherwise look at again. Bullpen to me is a dime. A dozen it. I'm not looking at anyone in particular and saying we need to have this guy. Rt bradley okay. When you're thinking that would be actually blue closer. If you actually were able to sign him he was not on the free agent market. And honestly i think the diamond diamond backs the end up onto for the trade deadline. They were looking to trade him. And i don't think so if you if they were not able trade it for the non tender dates or some other team could tender him. Is it shocking that you think maybe his price might be a little lower than what everybody thinks. This is the guy that was just more or less dusting people in the desert in With the arizona diamondbacks racking up saves like it was because it was his job. He was doing a very good job lose as needed closer. Maybe this is the veteran guy. Bring in and lights out. Yeah i mean it's it's not outrageous. I just think that. This management is more geared towards building that position from within. Because again you have ramono and elise available for that role and they performed well in it. And i think bringing someone in just to be a closer would be. I don't know. I don't want to ruffle too many feathers in that regard so it wouldn't bother me put it that way we would. I be upset if they made the move. No i like the competition if that's the advised the bullpen and they're confident in that way. Sure but i just don't know that that's a move. The management would make my biggest thing. Is if i think. They ended up bringing archie bradley. I think you're gonna be telling me. He's had earned closer spot. I think that won't let him dime blue jays. Does that like you set. Bluejays do have a internal competition already for that position and that internal Internal competition already looks pretty good. Rice saw on noted last your. He wasn't able to get back on the field when he was. How many things did he throw out of the bullpen. Without giving up a run it was like twenty innings. Wasn't it was quite a bit. Yeah so you got to think that. I don't think that had anything to do with major league baseball. Not knowing jordan. We were watching that. That was nasty. I really think that they're hoping android romano runs away with that job. I think secretly if not right off the bat very soon so that brings me back to. I think we've seen the best we're going to get out rothfield. Elise which do you think. I i think the look at the beginning of the season. I think the way he ended twenty. Twenty is what you will always consistently get out of raphael the lease. He screams very much to be. Jason frazier which is perfectly fine these And he might not be lights out every night he's gonna get innings and he's gonna get me out of a bog to me. That's not a guy. I really want my clothes. Closer right. Yeah so as much as i love watching jason frazier or even casey. Yeah casey janssen. I i understood. The flip flipped him danny Rake pitchers rape pitchers just too much drama round. The clothes pretty solid closer towards the end of the tenure. Yeah you figure it out in the least could very well be but right now if it came down to pure stuff. And i'm headed to choose between those two i was ron raimondo. Oh yeah so and then like you mentioned. We have a few other arms. That could eventually contest for that too. So archie bradley comes in. I don't know if i could be like okay here. we go. You are non tendered by. Yes you know. I mean and his he didn't really finish the same lewis stint. They're very strong. I think that was because Saint louis in really know how to utilize improperly that come in just as much a fault of the club versus the player. But it was enough to me that okay. You're in the front running. Maybe for the job my these two other guys here nipping attributes. You know it's such a shame too because deletes has the stature of a closer. He's so fucking tall and like you're stepping into digging in that matters locks saying especially his arm angle too. He's like throw hammer at yeah. John rouse tall off. And you're saying that because you want to go to the give think no no. No no. I'm just saying that game. It was not actor. Just the the the height aspect of it and so like maybe deletes would be better suited as a as a a setup very yes. I think that's where it's at. And i was thinking while we were talking all right so if the least doesn't work out and say something happens with remote. Oh it's a shame. That sean foley doesn't have control the he has no control whatsoever. Because i think because of his just pure fire and he he make a good closer. But it's just a shame he doesn't have control. I wouldn't be shocked if he falls. What ryan baraki did this passes in this year or the one right after the problem is if it's this year after it will not be a probably intertribal. No but he's got this. That's his thing he's got it. It's just the commander shoes are just everywhere which is hilarious because the game. I think i might have thought the best pitch team. He had his career. They after you and i met in In for the first time in new hampshire he threw like a frigate fourteen. Strikeout game against the pawtucket. Saxon i was But that again the other guy that played really really well during the game to hit. Two home runs and slipping on his name. He was a second baseman. Like i remember. The i was live. Twee are doing a live feed of it. I was calling it a cracked home. Run out and then that was a second home on the game. i actually so Anyway let's talk. There's a couple of starting pitchers were off. Show your it. Urania stuck stuck out to me. It's really really well for the miami marlins bought never had that really run away with it starting job of thing but glimpses of really really good high performance and then also how do you get nine ten this guy that was literally like two years ago. The trade chip in major league baseball and the cubs took right. It's where he was fine when across town. Yes yes yes so rodion to meet us. I obviously lefty and he just knows how getting easily hitters out. Just feel like he's a good guy you could bring in this kicks role work right out of the end of this rotation at that point. Why not at that. If he's just going to be at best at best your third rate he'll be third outfielder best. I think that if it's a low risk move and you're not breaking the bank from sure but again starting pitchers coming at a premium rate. And if you're going to have to sort of break the bank for starting pitcher especially one that was non tendered. I don't know that i'm gonna do it. So when it comes to the competitive market you probably will get outbid but if you can sort of snag him on a two year deal just to be. It's probably starting off your fourth starter or even fifth if it gets bad whatever. Fifth starters two marriages whatever Short i'm down. And i think i'm getting him mixed up with somebody else but two years ago in two thousand eighteen are in twenty innings and it was pretty solid for the white sox. So he's a guy that you will be buying while on an open to get something out of it. He was very highly touted in the white sox organization going forward and he's only twenty seven. Romans starting pitching competition win. We don't have an arm's already but this will definitely inject a guy that's been there in an equation and yeah make it work. So i'm saying like at that point. You just need the arms and you need the the opportunities. And if it's just filler for the end of the year rotation sure one that i was fact and i i seen footage on radio. I am amazed that he just has taken the ira now. First of all really really well. And it's i don't maybe it's just the miami thing miami pretty good this year and I can't get his stance artist so only got into five games and had a five point four a. r. a. But he's just one of those guys that has the right stuff to me in back in two thousand seventeen twenty eighteen. He was thrown over a hundred and fifty innings each game or each season. It has some forty eight. The guy is not too far removed from and on the better side of being nine so it was kind of interesting that he might be another one. Guy's throwing it out quesion. I think the blue jays mantra right now for starting pitching less to get somebody good collect the ours is out there and I think they'd be able to run away with something pretty well after that. That's what i'm thinking if it's not going to cost you a lot and you're just going you're taking these guys just for reclamation projects. Sure but i'm not breaking the bank for any of these guys at all you would have to. I really right. This is like the good pieces to throw into that conversation and that not to mention we know at some point eight pearson's run through us and have a chance to do whatever he needs to do. At the major league level this is. The conversation is spring training. That you could have a few extra guys. Maybe you know maybe gets get lining the bottom you find marco strategic you know. Give these guys shot and they have the ceiling to be able to do that. Cool they reach it with a typewriter you. What is right right. Especially if you're pushing in for a guy like springer if you do make that move you don't have time for reclamation projects at that point you see the put up a shot up my friend near anything like to add to this last part of the conversation before we say good evening to the rest of the blue bluejays nation here and wait for next week. No no when it comes to Non tenders i hope. No one's upset about travis show. I know it's like sort of a high profile name but the high profile productions so otherwise. No i'm good the reclamation project there yes yeah it was just two point. Oh it's all was was and it didn't quite pan out justice. Okay now though that being said i wanna give special. Thanks to shout to my friend tom. He's provided some wonderful music for this wonderful program that we've been on here We hope you've been enjoying it. We've be getting positive feedback. He's been seeing a nice little up spotify page so you actually on spotify is where he goes to all his music in his tunes in addition to obviously daimler earm- on the intro and the out tro here jaybird watching. And it's tom richards and the name of the band is psycho mood project. Your old school rock. He's all got it all for you so anything else. No no Good luck to brennan with his personal ventures. I'm sure he'll be back next week. We hope for your phone. 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Effectively Wild Episode 1336: Season Preview Series: Twins and Phillies

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

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Effectively Wild Episode 1336: Season Preview Series: Twins and Phillies

"Shave. Really? Was falsely strong held on? Used? It was done of. And welcome to episode thirteen thirty six of wild eight baseball podcast from van graphs. Presented by our patriots. Porter's? I am Lindberg of the ringer joined by Jeff Sullivan crash. So so if you look yet the recent wrote a world news Johnny Cueto sock. The pitching twenty twenty Johnny Cueto was down twenty pounds. And congratulations to Johnny Cueto a lot of weight to lose. But he's not the winner. Not even today. Louis Cahora said Friday, he's lost thirty five to forty pounds over the offseason. And Brett Ceaser said Friday that he lost forty two pounds over the season. That is a hundred pounds between three players that's been lost. That's a it's a lot of pounds. Maybe Cueto is in mourning. Maybe he's not eating because of his horse Popeye. He's another guy who doesn't have to pitch anytime soon. So doesn't really have to keep himself in shape, by the way. There was a follow up on the Popeye story. Evidently, the horse was killed by poisonous grasshoppers, which I didn't realize was the thing. I've never eaten grasshoppers not even at Safeco field. Evidently there poisonous ones and horses shouldn't eat them. I didn't know that horses. Eight grasshoppers. No, I learned a lot from update. Yeah. It is funny. When you see guys getting in these so-called best shape of their lives often that shape can be very different with some guys. They both up, and they showed up with twenty new pounds of muscle and other guys it's dropping weight, which is not the pricing because some people are underway people overweight. But it's also interesting when you see the different regimens that they followed over the winter because some guys it's like oh west year. I didn't with enough weight, and I were down over the course of a season. And so I've really bulked up this time whereas other guys will go in completely the other direction will say I booked up too much Wes year now, I've just been doing yoga and flexibility exercises, and of course, drink stuff. And so there's always a different story, but it all boils down to best shape of my life of your life. And it turns out there is a lot of misinformation when it comes to physical Venice, and what might be best for an individual player. So you can give somebody. Advice that will your flexibility when approve if you actually got stronger you should bulk up you'll hit the ball harder. Your throw the ball faster. But it turns out sometimes it's not true. And the fact that you see somebody players who just kind of ride the BMI coaster suggests that not everybody has it quite figured out. I don't know. Maybe that just means they have the wrong people in their ears. But in any case Ryan vir event is back into organs. Baseball throwing knuckleball. Well, it wasn't that long ago that people used to tell baseball players to lift weights because they would get too big and bulky and either they would tear things or they wouldn't be able to hit or it would decrease their bat speed or something let the bunk that wasn't packed up anything. But that has changed in recent years. I feel like your response. Didn't do anything to acknowledge Ryan fear. I just I moved right hunt from. I am always interested in the guy who just comes out of nowhere with an uncle ball of a sudden. But it doesn't work out. I mean almost every time it doesn't pin out into the guy coming back and throwing a great knuckleball for ten more years. But most rooting for those people because they're just not allowed to knuckle bars left one of the problems with looking at Ryan fear bend. I'm going to keep doing this looking at Ryan fair band on baseball references that at least last I checked it. He's he's been bitching career and his twenty eighteen stats aren't actually included in. So you go there, and you think oh what happened to Ryan fear been but he pitched in twenty teen to four three era in Korea and the only walked thirty eight batters and hundred sixty three third innings. This look I don't know what Ryan been is gonna do. It's probably not gonna make the major leagues and he's probably not going to be good in the major leagues. But this might be the first blue move that just makes my brain renowned Carson still he did this. So I'm going to without without asking inquiring. I'm going to assume that Carson's the Steelers responsible for the Buddhist signing knuckleballer Thirty-three-year-old, Ryan Fairmont. Yeah. That that would sound like Carson Sicily move in the genre of players reporting. With different sizes one of our guests on this episode actually met Gelb tweeted when the Phillies reported for spring training. Michael Franko looks like half of his former self and he meant that in terms of dropping weight. If a player was actually half of his former weighed her mass when he showed up for the star receives and that seems like it would probably be a curious to do your performance if you were half the size that you wear. Well, so what was it last year? Aaron judge weighed in at what about two eighty that accurate. I don't know exactly where he was. But Aaron judge quarterbacks references to eighty two and wasn't Ronald to raise like one fifty two. It wasn't that the biggest spread at least in terms of official, wait. So if Aaron judge showed up one spring with I guess his Bill you can't really drink build but Ronald Therese's, wait. Well, okay. Hold on. What would be a bigger problem? Aaron judge shows up when spring Ronald's raises way to Ronald twisters up when spring Aaron judge. Sounds like some Email questions that we've answered in the past. I would guess I mean, probably like Ronald Therese can't get that much worse than Ronald Therese Arias. Right. Like if Rowntree were very bad. He's not great to begin with. So in terms of just like sheer impact on war. I would think that Aaron judge losing half his weight would probably be a bigger impact than route Trask doubling his I guess that's fair. But you know, maybe somebody's gonna tell round the rest of bulk up. I guess we should talk sticking with the Yankees while we've been recording this sort of the Yankees agreed to a contract extension. You got. Yeah. Got thoughts on Luis Severino sticking around. Well, let me first say that this is a team preview podcast in few minutes. We will be getting to the Minnesota Twins with Aaron Glenn and the aforementioned Matt Gelb to talk about the Phillies. So that is coming up soon. But yes, I did want to just briefly Pinter about a few pitching trends here. Because you and I have both written pitching trend pieces of. Sort this week. But this seems to be another one, and maybe it's not just pitcher specific. But it could be we talked about Aaron Knowle's extension with the Phillies the other day. And yes now, we have a Luis Severino extension with the ANC means. We also have max Kepler and Jorges Lanka extensions with the twins this extension season. They're always a bunch of extensions around this time of year. But it does seem as if the Nola extension and the Severino extension and possibly the Kepler extension. Are kind of of a piece here, I was just scanning your graphs chat, and you got a bunch of questions about whether we're just gonna see a rash of extensions for arbitration eligible players because of fears of regency and you sent to said, yes, I haven't run the numbers. It'll probably do that after we were the guests. But it's also too early to look at the numbers because this offseason isn't yet complete extinction season lasts right up until opening day. And then players don't want the distraction of negotiating his. But it makes all this in the world in theory that we would start to see more extensions not only because freedoms. Has been devalued. But also because players have concerns about future work stoppage. And so they wanna get theirs while while the Ken, so we'll see if it bears out in practice. All conditions are always different. But I think there's every reason in the world to think that we are going to start seeing more and more of these extensions. We already see a few every single spring. And now he's seen what like five or six already this week spring training just started. Yeah. And the Severino extension seems like particularly team friendly run rate in as always it makes sense from the players perspective in that they're getting much richer and getting enough money to live off for the rest of their life. If they're careful with it. And so you understand why they do that. Of course, Severino was about to make multiple millions of dollars in arbitration anyway or could have so it's not as if he was necessarily lacking funds. So does the seem to you like a particularly egregious extension that a player shouldn't have signed acknowledging that it's difficult to. Pass judgment on a player for agreeing to become very wealthy. What I like about this one more for every I mean, Severino was already going to make at least four point four million dollars in arbitration if he didn't sign any sanctions, so he he was already going to have that much money. And then even in the worst case scenario where he just blows out his arm tomorrow. He would still be tendered a contract by the Yankees next year. And he would make some millions of dollars Severino was already going to be rich just moving forward without doing anything. But what I do like about this. It is it's team friendly. Luis Severino would have almost certainly made more than forty million dollars over the course of his reputation years, but he only signed away one free agent year in you think back to all those old contracts. The Chris sale contractor that Matt Moore contractor, Madison, Bumgarner, whatever contract you wanna point to and they would sign away like two or three or four would be free agent here. So at least this leaves every note more of an opportunity to get to the market, which who knows what the fridge market's gonna look like in five years. Maybe it'll be fine. There's gonna be there's still a lot. Out of money in free. Even if it's not what it was. So severing didn't sign away too much of his future rights. He was already going to be club controlled. So that's that's not so bad. Yeah. I almost wonder whether the unified messaging that we've seen from the players lately if players are all very concerned about free agency. There are some good reasons to be, but maybe they're too concerned about free agency. It's possible that it could come back to bite them. If all the players are thinking, okay, we're not going to get paid. If we actually hit the open market. So we'd better sign. These team friendly extensions than all of them will be on these sort of low dollar deals, and maybe they will shoot themselves in the feet to a certain extent. So I don't know how you legislate out the need or desire to sign the sort of extension. You'd have to have a higher minimum salary or higher arbitration figures or less team control something structural would have to change to make it not in the player's best interest because teams can always absorb the risk of anyone extension whereas players. Cannot absorb the risk of their one career going wrong because that's all they have. Right. And it's it's a little surprising to see some of these extensions happening with players looking at arbitration because when players are earlier in their careers and they're still on referee league minimum salaries. It's maybe easier to to dazzle them by dropping like tens of millions of dollars in front of them as a guarantee, but the so many of these players recently have already been looking at millions of dollars guaranteed to them through arbitration. Or in the case of certain players like Aaron Nola had a signing bonus in the draft of three point three million dollars. Like, these players are already wealthy wealthier than you. And I not maybe wealthy by major league standards. But still this is I do look forward to running some of the numbers and seeing how this actually works out seeing what off last offseason, look like relative to some of the ones previous because there's every reason the world that we would see more and more of this. And you're right. This is kind of how it snowballs. If players veteran players start circulating all these fears about free agency, then you're gonna get more of these players signing below market extensions. And then everything just gets worse. And worse and worse at least from from that standpoint on the field is still the same. But you know, now where this is in the air where we're not just about the product on the field anymore. Right. All right. So I look forward to your findings on that. Maybe we'll talk about them next time. And maybe we can save a mex- Kepler question for Aaron in minute. But the other trends, I was alluding to you wrote about velocity. And what seems to be a stagnation in league wide classy, I wrote about pitching prospect. So I'll just summarize that first everyone knows saying the sabre metric credo from the ninety s there's no such thing as a pitching prospect, and that has always been something of an exaggeration. Not literally true. But these days it actually seems to be more accurate than ever. If you look at the top of top prospect lists, regardless of the source. You'll just see what fewer pitchers than there used to be. It's been a long time since we a number one ranked pitcher if you scan the list this year, I think fan graphs has three pitchers in its top twenty prospects. And that's. Including a two way player Brennan McKay. Lot of other sources have one pitcher in the top eleven or ten or twelve. It's usually forest Whitley is like fourth or fifth or seventh or something. And then to awhile before you get to the next pitcher. So it talked to a bunch of prospect ranker's and does seem to be a real trend. JJ Cooper baseball. Merica was telling me that they've had a lot of internal conversations about this. They're aware of it. They've talked to people in the industry who have said that this reflects what team lists look like there's just west confidence in pitchers now. There are just as many pitching prospects in say a top one hundred. We haven't seen a big decline there. But they're not clustered close to the top anymore. They're distributed toward the bottom of the list because the top ten the top twenty. Those are supposed to be your blue chippers. You're no doubters guys, you can really count on and pitchers cannot become too as we know. They have a lot of injuries there riskier if you look at me historical outcomes for top hitting prospects versus top ten. Ching prospects, the hitting prospects always outperform the pitcher. So this is just kind of a correction that maybe has been a long time coming I think public prospect ranker's have sort of been seduced by the ceiling of players. And now, maybe they're considering the realistic and expected outcomes a little more. So it's both injuries. And it's also the changes in pitcher usage where even if you get a really good starting pitcher. He's throwing two hundred innings now. Instead, a two fifty and maybe doesn't even get to two hundred. So a good pitcher just maybe not make the sort of impact that a good pitcher made in the past. So that's the trend. I wrote about an obviously that is related to velocity because Voss has had something to do with the epidemic of injuries. But you've found that it seems like the increase at least is slowing or has actually stopped that something actually stumbled upon for the first time live on this podcast. You might remember a few weeks ago up some data, and I thought, oh, this looks a little areas and looking at some of the trends, the velocity surge that I think we all. About a few years ago where league wind philosophies were on the up and up has plateaued doesn't mean it's done growing for sure but rookies aren't throwing harder now than than they did a few years ago the league wide fastball lawsuits have an increase them much and the rate of pitches thrown above ninety five or one hundred miles per hour hasn't meaningfully increased in the last few years. And so it makes you wonder maybe players have maybe conditioning who's improvements word that he's implemented. Now, everybody is already throwing it at around one hundred percent, of course, as more to pitching well in the majors than just throwing his heart as you can. But you know, we're we're kind of pushing up against physiological boundaries. And you as far as I know if a body is created to top out at ninety seven or ninety eight you can't make that body throw ninety nine or a hundred there's nothing you can do. Now. I'm sure if I were to have a conversation with people drive line, maybe they could steer me to something. Maybe a little more nuanced in maybe can develop tendon strength or strengthened other areas. But generally, we the harder majorly pitcher's throwing. The closer. We are to the limit of how hard majorly pitchers can throw. And so it's just interesting to see the last few years that there is no real movement anymore. Of course strike at rates continues to increase by bit. But I think you, and I both understand why that would be because it trying to get more strikeouts. They have the data advantage over the hitters, and they're throwing fewer fastballs. The threat of the hard. Fastball makes a change upper a slider. Curveball more dangerous. And so as pitchers are able to optimize repertoires. Of course. They're going to be more strikeouts. Batters are not disincentivize really from striking out because strike go hand-in-hand with productive plate appearances a lot of the time. So it's not pitcher velocity that's causing the strike at to continue to go up. But this does now make me reconsider whether the league needs to move the mound back, but I am still interested in maybe lowering the Madden and seeing with that do. Yeah. And part of it is pitcher usage has increased velocity too. Because you have starters going deep into game. So they don't have to pace themselves. You've guys coming in for an inning at a time. Maybe the pace of change there. I mean, that's still seems to be changing somewhat where you have guys facing the order for the third time less and less often. So you'd think that that would continue to drive the up at least a little bit even in the absence of actual changes on an individual basis, which we know that fastball speed is more mutable than it. Once was there all these science back to programs now for increasing velocity. But there are limits there, and I don't know maybe the pace of change has slowed a little like using an opener is not necessarily gonna drive up velocity. Because it's just a guy pitching in the beginning of the game instead of later in the game. But there are still some trends there where I was sorta surprised to see that stagnation because listener asked us about this when we talked about it before you don't think it's related to the rise of position player pitching. Right. That that there's not a there aren't enough innings going position players. Even now that that would be driving down or at least restraining the increase. Oh, no, no. Okay. All right. Okay. So I guess it's good news. Maybe for baseball that philosophy does not continue to climb. But obviously even where it is. It is we to strike outs and lots of injuries and by extension extensions. So we will stop there and take a quick break. And we'll be back in just a moment. With Aaron Glenn to talk about the twins, followed by Matt gilt Phillies. Fifty. Well this week baseball prospectus annual perspectives two thousand eighteen begun to arrive in some of your mailboxes. And right now, one of the co editors of that book Aaron Glenn has arrived on the podcast. Hello, Aaron little, okay. While we're on the subject wanna give us a quick plug. I don't know if there's anyone who doesn't know what the PP, and you'll is or looks like at this point. But hey, it's out there, and you can go get it. Yes. It is. I don't know six hundred something pages of tons of baseball stats and essays and player comments. And all that stuff. If you haven't for some reason, if you've listened to this podcast, and you've never read a BP annual nineteen bucks. Get it available. We're all books are sold. I'm relatively confident that if you listen to my voice right now, you'll think it's a good deal for nineteen bucks. I agree. Well, I almost rescinded our invitation to you to come on this podcast because you tweeted what you think the projected opening day twins roster will. Look like did not include William tested, the oh. Where in the venture starting lineup. I was very upset to see this. But I that you are just trying to project what the twins will do not necessarily what you think the twins should do. We know at least that s DO has gotten permission to enter the country and we'll be into camp on Saturday. So we can continue to play the twin season to cancel the whole thing. He will be there. But we have to get the STO question out of the west because we we start every podcast by talking about us to DO. So we're certainly going to start the twin segment that him. When will he be there? What role will he play? How much will win fans and all of us get to see him this season. I feel the need to say I am. I am on the lots to abandon obviously, like like many people including you guys. I viewed him has as let's say like a person of intrigue before he was called up to the twins. And then after actually watching him in August and September I'm fairly convinced that he's not only major league Calver player, but should be in the majors. Like, he's not just a borderline guy. But the issue there like you said when I tried to map out what they're opening day roster is they have Jason Castro making I think eight and a half million this year, and they have Mitch Garber who spent much last year as the primary catcher after Jason Castro got hurt. And so that leaves s the deal as the potential third catcher, which you know, most teams including the twins are not gonna keep a third catcher. He could potentially make it in sort of a quasi utility role. But I think most likely because he has a minor league option left. He's gonna be the fans of Rochester. New York are the ones who get to watch Williams as the deal at the beginning of season, absolutely infuriating. But whatever I guess we'll move on from that. And we'll talk when he comes back up, but looking looking at the twins, this this whole offseason so much at least for the first month or two is there's a lot of conversation. But have the Indians we're gonna take an intentional step back. Maybe trade Corey kluber one of their starters in one of the reasons for that was because the Indians weren't being pushed they're in a terrible division last season. It. Division that looked like it was not going to be very good again in twenty nineteen and you look at the twins this and the similar to last offseason. They've been busy. They've added. See crown Jonathan scope Nelson Cruz Martine Peres like Parker, Michael Pineda's going to be on the team this year after missing last year, Tommy John surgery. So the twins of been busy. But their payroll is projected to be down by about twenty million dollars. There are players out there on the market that can help what is your level of satisfaction or dissatisfaction with the twins off seasons at this point. It's low, although whatever it was six weeks ago. One of let's say the day, they signed Elson Cruz. I felt like that put a finishing touch on their plans for the lineup. And I liked it a lot I thought Nelson. Cruz was a great pickup like you said scope and Cronin. Some other moves at that really worked. Well, and my assumption at that point was okay now, they'll turn their attention to the pitching side, and they still have twenty five maybe thirty million dollars to reasonably expect them to spend. And at that same point whether it was six or eight weeks ago. Like, you said the everyone was kind of wondering if the Indians we're going to not tear it down. But but shed some more expensive parts and see you add those things together. And it was one of the few times in recent memory where I think twins fans were like, oh, wow. Are we gonna see some aggressive? Good moves might they try to swoop in and take this division a year or two head of schedule. And then it turns out no not really Martine Peres in and Blake Parker. The only moves they've made sense. And as you pointed out on Twitter, it's kind of ironic fit the twins just seemed to have shed the amount of money that they used to be paying our. So that twin's vins were upset and thought that Mauer's contract prevented them for making other moves. And now now is contract is gone. And they just have not replied that money to anyone else. It's it's on. I mean, I've spent so much of my online baseball dome. Trying to fight back against people who say either that Johm Mauer is overrated or overpaid or some combination. And then he's finally out of the picture. Clear twenty three million. And I like like you mentioned there at one zero five in terms of current payroll and last yet opening day, I think they were at one twenty eight and change which that's twenty three million which exactly what our makes. And I think there's a decent chance. Similar to what they did last spring training when they brought in like Lance Lynn in Logan Morrison very late. I think there's a chance that they end up signing another player or maybe even two to a one year deal whoever falls into their laps. But they're gonna be still think ten or fifteen at the very least below last year's payroll which. Yeah, it turns out Mauer might have been the only thing keeping them from having a very very low payroll. I know it's always easy to spend somebody else's money. And you know, there's always a two way street here. But as you look at the twins, especially after signing Martine Peres, you know, if they wanted to left you get Grandpa's Dallas on the market. You look at the bullpen. They got like Parker. But the angels didn't even want Blake Parker and Craig Kimble's out. There is a closer. Like could there be? Two more obvious fits for the steam right now, if they wanted to push the buttons because like you said like we've all said they do have the money to spend. But have there been any indications of those players or even the least bit interested? Not really no not that. I don't even really try to play the role of reporter. But you know, I've I've tried to reach out to the few twins people who will reply back to me and say, basically what you were just asking. Which is is there any chance here that if Kimbrell has to settle for three year deal that you guys will jump in. Or if wants to do a short term deal that you guys will jump in. And they always basically say, well, we're not the the phone lines are open. But I don't think it's going to happen. I think the more frustrating part for me because I at the beginning of the offseason. I certainly wasn't projecting them to sign either of those guys. But the frustrating part to me is why not sign I don't know Sewri a- or Robertson or some reliever along those lines even like a Cody Allen hype. Instead, it's just been Blake Parker who you know, can be a decent reliever. I think. If you look at their bullpen needs all kinds of help, obviously Craig kimbrel. I think would make tons of sense and realistically the money this year and the money next year would have really no impact on their voting to build long-term. Because like we just mentioned their twenty something million short of last year's payroll and even after signing a couple of guys to extensions today. Officially plonk in Kepler. I think they're total guaranteed money on the books for next year's like twelve million. So you could overpay kimbrel or Kyko this year and next year, and maybe even twenty twenty one, and it really wouldn't hinder you at all. But yeah, I I'm not even you know, I'd say there's like a three percent chance that either of those things have sadly, Jeff, and I were just talking about the extensions that have recently been signed. And we have tabled are cock about the twins extensions and saved it for you. So next Kepler and her hip Lunka have both been signed to extensions. How do you project those players over the life of those deals and particularly Kepler sin? He's been kind of regarded as a popular breakout pick in some circles, and he doesn't seem to have priced himself as someone who's about to break out. I've view them sort of similarly, I think there's more to be I guess potentially on locked in Kepler just because he's a really good defensive outfielder. He draws walks. He has I think a pretty good approach at the plate. He can hit twenty five homers, but his batting average on balls and play has just been abysmal every year. And so I think there's some tweak that they could potentially make there in terms of his swing that would unlock it. Hold a whole new like window of opportunity for him to be an impact guy Palumbo. Think is eventually gonna wind up at second base and eighth place hitter who hits seventy five with a bunch of doubles solid player. I think both of them have a high enough floor that you really can't go wrong with extensions like this. I mean, I'm sort of of the opinion that you can't go wrong on extensions like this period. Unless you just choose the worst players on your team to give them to. But the the reward is so high in terms of Bino free agency, and the really the worst case scenario is that even if both of these guys became terrible players, which I don't think they will. But even if that happens you're out like twelve million dollars a year when we just finished discussing the twins aren't even really max out there payroll, not even close anyway. So I like both of those moves I think the next step that they should hopefully be trying to take his lockup Jose burrito who obviously has a lot more upside. But he's also a two plus year guy in terms of service time, it's seems like they're not going to approach to know or Buxton because they approached both guys last offseason with offers and then things have gone haywire. Since then I'm going to leave the Buxton question to Ben. 'cause I look there's going to be a Buxton question is probably going to be four bucks questions. This could be a half hour Buston questions. But let's go right onto to an anonymous player last year the twins replaced Byron Buxton with Jake cave, and I could just reading aloud gave batted. Deed Hata half seasons with plate appearances had a one away WC. Plus it for our is Jay cave. Good. I think Jake cave is a pretty good hitter. And can be a really nice hitter. If platoon I think the big question with him is he's not a center fielder. I think he's pretty brutal centerfield any might not really even be a plus in the corners, which have Buxton Senator of Kepler. And right. You have any resigned and left. I think caves probably if things go, according to plan gonna get two hundred fifty at bats something like that this year, maybe three hundred he's a nice player like I think a borderline starter. But I think he's also I think he's twenty six years old, and he was cut loose by the ankles off their forty man roster because they had numbers crunch, and it's wins swooped in grabbed them. So I think he's like a good pickup and a useful player. I just think the odds are he's gonna come back down to earth a little bit. Here's the Buxton question. Or maybe we'll make it a combination Buxton to note question, and you can just talk for ten minutes. So I saw that you tweeted the year by year progression. Number one, same age comparable players for Buxton and snow, according to coda and Buxton's comps over the past several years have included Robin yount, Mike trout, Christian yelich, sonoma's comps have included just enough in Giancarlo Stanton. Kris Bryant and their two thousand nineteen comes are Austin Jackson for Byron Paxton and Mark Reynolds for Galvano Ray have come down in the world, according to coda. So what should we expect out of both of these guys at this point? It's like they would both be stars. It's looked like they would both be nothing where we're going to end up with them either this year in the future. I mean that is a very sad progression. It made me sad typing out. But what makes it even sadder? I think is there's not that much of me that really disagrees with where they stand. Now. I think the Mark Reynolds comp in particular for snow, which I think he said the last two years is seems kind of fitting to me in that. He's a guy who came up. And showed a bunch of power. But then the flaws were exposed and he's been a decent player. I mean, he said some thirty Homer seasons. But he's not really a good third baseman. So he's more of a first baseman, and he's probably gonna hit two thirty more often than he hits to seventy and you start in because he strikes out so much and you start to talk about it, and you go, well, that's kinda worse. Annot is I still think signal has more upside than that, certainly? But if snow settles in is like a two fifty hitter with some walks and some power, and he's really more of a first baseman than the third baseman. That's not really the type of guy, particularly in, you know, at this point in in team building in power hitting as an era that you really want to build around, which makes me think that there's more reason to have faith in Buxton still turning out to be an impact guy. But I say that if someone who says that every year, I feel like I've said that thirty years in a row, even though Buxton's only like twenty five and there's only really been like three months during that time where I've been right? And during those three months, I just constantly brag about how. I am that Buxton's breaking out. And then he gets hurt or he goes back to being terrible hitter. But the thing that Buxton can fall back on his healthy. He's a great center fielder. And he's probably one of the two best base runners all baseball. So even if he hits like to forty with fifteen homers. I think he's an all star caliber guys. So I've it's gone back and forth because I mean, sin wasn't all-star basically a year ago before he he had significant leg injury. But I have more faith now in Buxton, but that should be taken with large grains of salt because I am may I may renowned Buxton Bobo here locally. So during the twenty seven twenty twelve off season Derek fell v was the Indians co director of baseball operations along with David Stearns. Who is of course, now in charge of the brewers twenty sixteen Falvo was promoted to assistant GM and then in October of two thousand sixteen Derek valve he was hired to run the twins for the most part. So he had he's he's now completed his third off. Season one of the Twinsies had two regular seasons under the belts. So by this point, whatever Derek valves preferences are shoot have been implemented. He should have the organization that he was hoping to build. So in your estimation. You've had little over two years of the Derek valve Iran, Minnesota Twins. What is your evaluation of the team's front office? I think they have fall and also Thad LeVine. Have who is brought in from Texas at the same time to be at the GM. They've built the organization they want. They've brought in whether it's coaching whether it's player development. Whether it's research and development analytic guys they've spent a ton of additional resources compared to the previous regime who basically spent on on the decide and they've brought in a lot of people who I think are incredibly smart from some of our favorite websites and some of our favorite front offices, and that and in talking to those people you can't help but be impressed and be optimistic about the things they're doing behind the scenes now with that said. They just haven't done much in terms of onfield stuff or acquisitions except for maybe the Nelson Cruz signing. They've been trading away some people they've been making budget signings, which is sort of was has been the twins them for fifty years. So I'm very confident that this front office knows what it's doing is moving in the correct direction and his done, particularly behind the scenes a lot of things that the average fan may not care about. But will ultimately like the results from but you still have to put a good team on the field. And I do feel like they have taken a similar stance to the previous regime, and that it's well, we don't need to spend now 'cause we're waiting we're waiting and we're waiting in at some point. You know, I think fans is kind of sick that sink. It was a little embarrassing for the twins at the deadline last year when they traded Ryan Presley to the Astros and Presley went on to be one of the best relievers in baseball in the second half. Because. Does the Astra's set him down and made some recommendations about ways he could change his approach, and he did and suddenly he reached a whole new level not that he had been bad for the twins. So that seemed like an indication that the twins had some breakdown of communication somewhere along the way from the front office to the field, and they took steps to rectify that this offseason, can you give us some insight into the twins managerial makeover and they're coaching staff turnover. I think that's one hundred percent, right. What you said is everyone respects Paul Molitor? He is truly a legend in Minnesota and Milwaukee to I guess but in Toronto, but the problem that I think people found were a the sort of day to day relationships weren't there with Molitor who's like almost seventy years old and some of the twenty five year old players. But the bigger thing was what you just mentioned with Ryan Presley. And there were some other examples where they felt like wall Molitor was somewhat open to let's call it. The new school. Approach. He wasn't really a effective middleman. In terms of getting that information into the hands in the minds of players. And so they replaced him with Rockall ball deli who by all accounts seems to be potentially one of the more effective people. You could ever find it that. And then on the particularly on the pitching side, they hired west Johnson from the college ranks to be their new pitching coach. And I'm reading some of the quotes early in camp from I think Blake Parker had one. And there's a couple other pitchers who have talked about working on them. He's you know, he's breaking out all the tech. He can possibly find. And the early quotes are all basically, I have no idea what he was talking about. But he made it make sense to me. And now, I'm tweaking this, and I'm tweaking that and I think that's one of the the bigger reasons for optimism for twenty nineteen and also beyond is that they can start to get more out of the talent. They have on hand. I think particularly in the pitching side looking at the Beijing side. I don't know if there are many more intriguing. Young pitchers in major league baseball than Jose, bro. Sees I think it's probably fairly common knowledge. Now that there's the some pretty flattering pitch comes to the late Jose Fernandez in the pitches that he's able to throw but looking at twenty seventeen to twenty eighteen burritos didn't seem to take a huge step forward. He's he's still clearly very good. He gets a lot of strikeouts limits as walks, but is in in your mind, how close is Jose burritos right now to being a finished product. And what do you think that finished product would look like, I think he right now is probably I know number two starter. I think what you said is right that he he's really good. But he hasn't quite taken that jump to great yet. And I think part of it is if you look back not only last year, but the year before he really kinda fell apart down the stretch. And I wonder you know, he's he's a small pitcher. He's a slight pitcher always in great shape. I think that was one of the issues from the moment. They drafted him was how much terms of workload can this guy handle. And I think there's some concern that he doesn't break down. Physically. But he just loses a little bit of affective nece and starts give homers can't last as long in starts. I think there's also in terms of pitch mix and the way he approaches things I think the twins. I don't know if they said this on the record. But I know they feel like there's a couple of small tweaks they can make to try to unlock a little more potential just by having him focused on the things he does well, and and kinda ditch the pitches, or at least these situations where used those pitches that is ineffective, and I realized every pitch and coach every team is trying to do that. But I think there's I'm relatively optimistic about Berea something, I think he's he's a super hard worker. The talent just like from a pure arm talent standpoint is is for sure number one started caliber. So he's he's a huge key. Because if he doesn't take a step forward the rest of their rotation and really the whole pitching staff is is pretty underwhelming. Yeah. Will after years and years decades of constructing their pitching staff out of Brad Radke? Clones who were not mostly as good as. Radke the twins. Finally got out of the strikeout rate basement last year, they weren't one of the best strike at teams in baseball. But for the first time in a while, they weren't one of the worst than brioche was part of that. So it was return of Trevor may who's now a pitcher again in addition to a twits dreamer is there. Anyone else on the way who could send that strikeout rate soaring, even higher how high can it go who else was responsible for that change Taylor? Rogers is a guy who took a huge step forward last year in their coat on him to basically be their primary setup. Man. I think he was a former fifth starter type throughout the miners left-hander who got knocked around by righties all the time and then became kind of a mediocre middle reliever. Then all of a sudden last year turned his breaking ball until weapon and was bliss just phenomenal. Especially down the stretch, the one guy that I would really point to as having the potential to be an impact on along with burritos is Fernando Romero who's been a top hundred prospect for a while now. But the the question they have with him. Now is it's he's been a starter. Throughout his career. And he had five good starts with the twins last year. And then, you know, six or seven bad ones. And it sounds like they're all but settled on him if he begins the season the majors it'll be as a reliever so one I'm curious about there is what be traditional relief rural. Or will? It be a multi inning two three times a week role where they can maybe get him to ninety or one hundred innings anyway in which case, my usual protests against moving young starters to permanent relief. Roles won't be a strong because as long as you can get more than sixty five innings out of them in there may be higher leverage. That's fine with me. But yeah, I think he's he's an example of guy who could be an impact arm Pineda who you mentioned earlier if he's anything like he was pre injury would be really good. Although I feel like pre injury is sort of a constant state for Pineda. But other than that, I'm not SuperFood about their their bullpen options. Which goes to what I was saying earlier about I just don't I I'm confused about why spending eight. Or ten million on a proven good quality veterans setup man wasn't really in in the cards. You took my Kayla Rogers question before it could ever Escott. And I guess I can't really move onto a Trevor Hilden Birger question because that would have been more relevant year ago. So as you as you look at the twins. Now, this is a roster. That's clearly even just with burritos and Buxton and Keppler alone. There's there's a lot of upside that's on this roster right now. But do you think and also to question your degree of confidence is this organization moving in in the right direction is this team on the upswing? And and if you believe that it is because there is help coming through the minor leagues. Have some of the couple of the the best prospects in baseball at this point list, according to graphs, but how long do you think it would be until you go into these new? You know, the twins are at least as good as the Indians are and we're ready to actually contend for the title. Okay. That was like a thousand points question. Whatever choose I'm guilty of doing that too. So I don't I'm play that. Okay. So I think they're moving in the right direction. I think the frustrating thing is that this year, they're just sort of content to tread water. But at the same time as you mentioned treading water might still be a pretty decent team in terms of when they can realistically overtake the Indians. I think a lot of that has to do with the Indians. But I would say there's a decent chance that this time next year. If guys have me back onto chat about the twins were at least talking about more of a neck and neck race at the top of the central. Yeah. I mean, they have Royce Lewis and outs care lawf- and grad rawal, they have quite a few high upside prospects, but I think they're probably wanted two years away, at least from a stab wishing himself this year that twins keep saying this is all about we need to find out if Buxton and sano are still worth building round they need to find out if if burritos can be a true, frontline number one starter. But yeah, I think this part of what's difficult in terms of. Of the local narrative here, which I am way too immersed. In is all the frustration that we talked about with not adding to the pitching staff and not spending competitively is separate from the fact that while they're still a pretty decent team. I think pagoda has them at eighty one wins. I think fan graphs hasn't met like eighty two or eighty three wins. I absolutely see eighty five. Plus when team coming out of this roster at this point. But I would argue that makes it even more frustrating that they didn't spend another fifteen twenty million to try to make it an eight win or are a ninety one young. Of course by the time. We're talking about with the twins are better than the Indians were as good than we may also be talking about whether the White Sox can enters discussion. So that's a problem from the twins respect of too. So, you know, the drill we always end with the wind. Total prediction, and you sort of anticipation that they're you said, you could see eighty five or more wins. But how many do you expect to see? Okay. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say eighty four wins. How about that? Right. And do you think that this core? The current kind of Kepler Buxton sano group of players will make the playoffs again. Or do you think it's going to take until the next wave the Lewis's, and Greta role and KIRO laughs come along. I think it will take to the next wave. But I think that I don't think it will have to. I don't think we'll have to wait as long as it will take for Lewis and care lav to be the best players on the team for them to make the playoffs. But I do think they will need their help to make the playoffs. I think it'll be you know, Buxton, obviously, Keppler employees encore going to be around for a while. I think sonoma's the one that is less likely to be around long term you add in Lewis and care live. Maybe in their second year. Let's say, and then I think that that's a lot closer to it consistent contended. I don't think you said yesterday when they're at all that's true. I mean, that's here's the thing. We joke about them. But our projections have missed like one of the ten best hitting catchers in baseball. All I suspect that Zimba skis zips projections are the same like I'm pretty convinced that he's not a butcher defensively. And so part of me wants to joke about him because he's such a just a fun personality. But part of me also wants to say like if you give him one hundred starts at catcher, I'm pretty sure he's going to push you towards the playoffs. And that I don't know. It's I feel like I'm on crazy pills. When I say that. But I'm starting to believe that more and more. No, I heard I heard from a team person not a twins team person. Either not too long ago. I just I asked what do you think of that has to do is like, well, you know, he's at least a top thirty catcher in major league baseball due to be starting. So anyway, long story short just go to Colorado. Give us one more prediction than what day does s the DO play his first game for the two thousand eighteen twins. That's going on. I will say may third and I'll say he ends up with more than two hundred plate appearances for the twins. Okay. Where will he play the most games catcher? But also a little bit of D H. I think will maybe a little bit of first base. I mean, he started a game in center field for them. And he started multiple games at third base and second base. So I don't even know like I feel like we've talked our selves into like the story. And then all of a sudden the story happened. And now, I'm not even sure like how to react to it. So now after this conversation, I'm fully on board. Let's maybe I'll go pick it outside at target field. I wanna miss the opening day starter. Let them play all nine positions on opening day. Listen to the grassroots people. Karen, Cleveland, the voice of the twins fans. All right. So that concludes our twin slash DO preview podcast. You can find Aaron writing baseball prospectus and in the annual which also edited you can hear him on gleaming. And in the end, you can find him on Twitter hearing Leeman. Thank you as always. Thank you. All right. So we will take another quick break. And we'll be right back with Gelb. The to talk about the Phillies. All right. So we are back in MIR. Joined now by the Phillies beat writer for the ethic. Matt gal. Hey, matt. So I guess we should just get the inevitable out of the way here. I think with most teams in most winters, you might look at what the Phillies have done and say, hey, they've been active, and they made a lot of moves. They signed inter cut chin. They traded for JT real they signed David Robertson. They just extended or Nola good job Phillies. But no one really seems to be saying that right now because we're all waiting for the Harper or Machado move or the Harper and Machado moves. So why hasn't it happened yet? What are the odds that it will happen? If it doesn't happen will John Middleton be burned in effigy. Even without the gene cigarette trade. I mean, they they have had right? A great offseason. And that's not you can say two things that they've had a great off season. And that it's not complete yet. And that's because the market has really I think shaped up in their favor. So what's going to happen? I I don't know. And anyone who tells you they know is lying right now. I think this like why pick. Taken so long the players wanna sign on their terms and the teams wanna sign the deal on their term. I mean, that's kinda simple as that. I mean, it's not to diminish like all the work that goes into the Goshi shins and figure out where the best fit is. But I think that's where we're at right now. I think it's just kinda stare staring contest between you know, all these sides. And I think the Phillies view themselves as being in a in a position of strength right now. And that no whatever offers they've made their they're just gonna kinda stick with it. And and hope that somebody blinks on the players side. They're hoping that try to get more teams involved and hope that maybe the Phillies or another team blinks too. So I think that they will sign one of these guys I don't know which one is going to be I don't know when it's going to be I think it'll be before opening day. But I don't know maybe hot. I think they're going to land one of these guys. I mean, they the way the market is shaped up, you know, a year ago, we would've never would've never predicted the market would have gone this way. I think the Phillies, you know, could could stand benefit from from how it all went down. And and I think I ther harbor Matata will be on this team and would cap what would be, you know, a really momentous Aussies for them. I mean, they have gotten substantially better in my opinion. Yeah. Do you think one of the two makes more sense or would improve them more just from a talent or positional perspective? And and if they don't lend one of them for whatever reason do think Phillies fans will revolt or will they be able to look at all the other moves and save. Hey, we got better this winter, even without one of those guys, I think Philly's fan would reveal and, you know, why I mean, you know, it's because you know, the expectations were raised pretty high mean it was beyond the words of John Middleton. I mean, you know, the Phillies have been looking at those offseason for a long time. I mean, it was. You know, Manny Machado and price. Just didn't come freedoms. I dunno where I mean, they had targeted this off season as time to really start flexing their financial might and they have. I mean, look they sent I think the second most region dollars last off season. I think they're, you know, they're in the top five maybe top three this off season even before possible, you know, high money finding in one of those guys so they have flex their financial might I think given the way last year ended and the way, you know, expectations where this off season, and the fact that the market that they're competing for all we know against teams like the Padres and the White Sox for these players. I mean, yeah, I think people would be upset if they didn't sign one of them is that fair to the Phillies who you know, have had a really good off season. I I don't know. I mean, I think they should sign one of them. I mean, they have the payroll do it. They have the you know, they have the roster flexibility to do it. And I think that me more than anything is what is impressive about their off-season. They made all these moves signing traits and not once they compromise. Is really, you know, they're flexibility. I mean, they are sitting here making all this moves that we talked about and still Bryce Harper and Manny Machado fit somewhere on the roster who's the better fit. I think just positionally because he third base. He'd be an elite defender an elite offensive player. You know, Manny Machado is probably the best baseball fit. Is he the best fit period for franchise city? I don't know. I mean, people are constantly debating, you know, his his hustle, his attitude, and I it's not for me to jump into that. I don't know what kind of teammate is by all counties, terrific teammate. I don't know how Manny Machado or Bryce Harper would respond after getting a a major contract. They these are things that they are considering and when you're talking about a contract of this size, and this kind of dollar value, you know, sometimes more than baseball things factor into it. And that's that's part of it. I mean, those extra variables you know, could influence decision, but look Machado might be a better position fifth. But. For to. I mean, they they haven't outfield the hell down right now by Nick Williams, who has had a, you know, a decent started major league career. But he could you know, they could easily upgrade there. And then they would roll Andrew mccutchen and newborn Harare slash Roman Quinn and possibly Bryce Harper. So there there's there's a fit for both these guys on the roster. I guess we're just gonna talk about these two for the entire segment that we're doing here. But you know, now now that players have reported to camp beard, you're down there. It's one thing you try to as a team you try to get moves done during the earlier part of the offseason. So that you don't end up in this position where everybody on the team knows that the Phillies are in pursuit of many Machado or Bryce Harper. But at the same time now everybody's together. You've got Michael Franko Scott Kingery out there playing to win third base. You've got a dual Harare Nick Williams Roman Quin trying to win two spots in the outfield. I know maybe this is sort of soft subjective question. But what is the mood now with players in camp trying to win jobs when at least. Certain segment of them know that if it was their way, those players aren't going to have jobs in front of them anymore. Yeah. It's weird. I mean, there's no way around it. It's a weird dynamic and the players are. Well, this whole thing like they know that they could wake up one day, and that's their bosses have have hired a replacement for them. So it's it's it's weird. I mean, this usually happens before everyone gets the camp, and you know, you can make it a much less personal transaction. I mean, you, you know, the these transactions are hard for teams 'cause you're you're you're you're training people or you're replacing people it's harder when you're going to have to face to face here in spring training. So it's a it's a weird dynamic. You know, I mean like everyone's saying, well, we're, you know, we're going off you something that we rosters here. We have our full roster. But you know, nobody truly believe that. I mean, everybody knows that that replacement could come into camp any day. And you know, I I've heard scouts and I've heard people say in the baseball before one spring you're playing for for twenty nine other teams too. There's always somebody watching and that, you know, even if you're on the edge of a Roth. Or that just because you don't think you might make this roster doesn't mean you won't make another Rosser and that can serve as motivation for guys. But I I don't know if that's enough motivation. So to talk about something other than Harper Machado earlier this week. We did the Diamondbacks preview and we talked about the late season collapse. And what it meant if anything and Scillies, of course, ended their season in a very similar fashion. So what was perceived to be the culprit for how they finished was it just a a lack of strength on the roster that got exposed guys getting worn down. Was it a failure of leadership and did any of the analysis of how that happened impacts? How they went into this winter. Yeah, I think if I were to put the blame on one thing, it was just, you know, the roster was kinda held together, you know, with rubber bands for of the season. I mean the pitching starting pitching was remarkable for the first three or four months season. And they were doing it despite just horrific defense behind them and inconsistent lineups warning. Them and the defense never got better the lineup. Never got in starting pitching really wilted in August and September and everyone else out of our no of you know, just had a rough a rough finish the season. And you know, it was too much to expect the starting rotation to simply carry the team all the way. And almost did. I mean, that's kinda amazing. They wanna eat a game. They had a fourteen win improvement. You know, despite you know, depending on what defensive metrics, even if you just use your is one of one of just worst defense is we've seen in the last decade and inconsistent lineup. It's amazing to me the one eighty games last year and really is. And so, you know in their post mortem all this. I think they looked at the defensive somewhere they need to improve. And and I think they have improved. They're gonna big out Hoskins back to first base out of the Andrew mccutchen who was obviously not a center fielder anymore, but know should be good in a corner. Spot especially corner spot. That's says Bank car they picked teen score. Who is not a superstar defender, but he is at least average. To above average. And that will be upgrade over as drew Cabrera and got king ridge, which is really what they use for most of last season. So they they have gone better defensively they picked up real new toe. You know, who how far showed terrific games defensively last year. But now, you you fought in a guy who is the best if you know, one of the best catchers in baseball, and and a terrific defender. So they prioritize the defense. And that's why there were questions about not upgrading to starting rotation. They believe that a defensive upgrade is almost up to the rotation right now. And we'll see if that logical. I suspect that come July. You know, they could be on the trade market looking for some rotation help. But we'll say, so let's talk about that real military for for few minutes here because they did pick up the guy who seems to be the best Gagarin baseball at this point. I when I when I wrote about real modem in the case for him being the best in baseball. I realize afterward like, oh, I think people already know this actually people recognize that he is a he's blossomed into an excellent dollar catcher. And there is. Interesting divergence, I think that when you looked at how the trade was received publicly, of course, whoever wins a trade sweepstakes, just like whoever wins a Fredin. Sweepstakes will be the the high bidder and publicly there was a lot written about how the Marlins did a great job and the Phillies gave up too much. But then there was also a lot ridden citing industry sources saying that at least around the game. A lot of a lot of front office and executives were impressed that the Phillies we're able to get real motive for as little as they gave up. So where where do you think the the difference Independen is coming from? And how do you evaluate giving up far when and Sanchez and Stuart given some of the price tags that were talked about earlier in the season. So it's a I think it's a fascinating trade in cop out to say that both you said really well, and I think both teams did I mean both teams are in different cycles right now. Come Marlins are rebelling cycle, the Phillies are no longer rebuilding cycle. They they have different priorities and this trade pill. Both those priorities. I look at the straight. I think it's really. Interesting because I described this trait as being risky, but that doesn't mean that doesn't mean it's a negative thing. I mean, the risk that Philly's got back as minimal JT Romeu as his very worse will be one of the best pitchers in baseball for the next two years. At least I mean, I think they hope to extend them eventually, but you know, the risk. There is pretty minimal barring injury and stayed relatively healthy. He's been productive. When on the field Sabar for a above our catcher is lower than ever right now, basically baseball. So I think there is no risk there. But the risk that they gave up significant and the chances though that farro and six oh senses fulfill their potential is is limited. I I understand that completely. I think I I'm a big way off argh. I think he's going to be really solid catcher in a major leagues for a long time. But his profile is out of high risk does not put the ball in play. He has shown defensive improvements still struggles and some basic areas six oh Sanchez, if he fills us attention. He's the top of the rotation. After you know, one of the maybe one of the better pitching prospects in baseball. But there are questions about his questions about his secondary stuff their questions about their ability. And whether he's even a starting pitcher, you know in a few years, so risky trade. I describe it. I mean, I just got it for lack of a better term. I it was ballsy and fall doesn't necessarily mean a negative thing. I mean, I think when you're in a position that Matt clinic was in it was time to cash in on things. And if you're gonna cash in your top pitching prospect at DC catcher, you wanna get the very best. And and I do think say graded JT realm. So so much better than any other catcher in baseball. That's why they viewed this as as a trade that that they had to Gabe Kappler's, always going to be a lightning rod, and he is obviously come up for a lot of criticism this off season because of his actions or inactions few years ago as the dodgers player development director. Do you have any sense of whether the Phillies are at all concerned about his actions there in his defense. Of those actions and even apart from that. How would you say he held up in his first year as manager after being kind of a controversial choice and initially rubbing Fens the wrong way or having some embarrassing en- game instances, but seemingly settling down as the season went on. I don't know if the podcast long enough about. About. First year. I mean, he the complicated. Figure is a complex figure is fascinating. And with regards to the first part of the question by understanding that affiliates. Have have no concerns. I mean, they they went through a pretty rigorous vetting process from what I understand through major league baseball through the dodgers before hiring Kappler, and these issues had come up, you know, they were not aware of sexual assault allegations. You know, there were documents that showed that that no one of the daughters was and still a week or two after the incident. It's it's it's complicated. You know, I think there's are certain credibility issues that are play. You know, Gabe has to, you know, there are people who are or her questioning Gabe, and he asked to restore his credibility. And I'm not sure how one goes about that. Because you know, there there there should be. There are questions about how you handle these incidents and house. I think that he, you know, he he will he will have credibility issues for as long as he Scillies manager. I mean, he is a polarizing guy and people have good reasons, you know, to wonder about you know, some of the things he does or did in the path. And that's just that's always going to be the case. I think Philly's, you know, they may have properly vetted him and everything. But you know, they knew they had to have known getting into your when they hired him. I mean, he is he's a lightning rod, and it will only increase this year because you know, the expectations of have raised here. I mean, if they get too slow start with this with this Rosser this improve roster. I mean, there will be a lot of angry people in Philadelphia. And the first person they're going to point to we'll be gave tapper. I mean, I can already predict and it's very simple thing. He he is on Ozzie, and that's crazy to say for manager who was going into his second urine and inherited a team that had won sixty six games and improve them to eighty games last year, but he will be on the hot seat because he is who he is. And I'll say this about his season last year, he show in the Bill to adapt. I mean, the beginning of the season. Couldn't have any worse for a manager. I mean, he he had already the honeymoon's over before he stepped foot on his home field in Philadelphia. I mean after that first three-game series win when people were just and rightfully so. I mean, he had heating dates them some horrible moves and then bought in the pitcher who hadn't even warmed up yet into the second game of the season. I mean, it was just unbelievable. He showed an ability to adapt though. And I think he's shown some ability to adapt even this spring too. I mean, there will be some culture changes. I think there will be a few more rules than there were last year round the clubhouse, and he is a smart guy that anyone who criticizes him or who likes them. I think can agree on. He is very smart guy. He has different ideas. But he he is willing to adapt. And and I think that's going to be tested very quickly in this point nineteen season. I mean, they they have to get off to good start. I mean, there will be there will be a lot of calls for his job if they don't and fair or not that's just that's just what they got into here. I think everybody knows that. I know it was. Fascinating a year ago in spring when we saw the Phillies and Gabe Kaplan, experimenting with like moving from left field right field, depending on who is at the platen before the season actually got there's a lot of excitement around what Keppler might be able to do in. How the Phillies would implement different strategies and at the same time in the same spring training. There was a lot of excitement around Scott Kingery. I remember seeing a prominent national baseball reporter referring to Scott King reassembly being the best young player in any spring training camp or something along those lines implying better than Ronald with kunia better than one Soto better than whoever you want to say, I'm not going to go into detail. There's a lot of numbers that could read. But instead just use one educative bad, Scott King. Res rookie season was bad. He signed a long term contract. And then he played he was moved to shortstop, and he was bad. There was not seemingly a whole lot of progress. At least typically so moving forward. Kyrie's entering his age twenty five season. Got a good track record. He was good player in the minors. Obviously all of that excitement. That was their last spring can't have. Been completely destroyed or deteriorated so moving forward, I understand of courses Manny Machado signs than Kingery has to kind of move around. And maybe a path to playing time, isn't so obvious. But how is Scott Kingery stock looking now relative to one year ago, not as good? I mean, you're right. I mean, it was bad. I mean, he was just underwater from the very start at season any never never got above water. I mean, he really, you know, he he pointed out a couple of days ago, if he was looking at, you know, it's amazing. How many how often he was behind the counter? I mean, oh one too. I think he had the highest percent of otas town of any hitter qualify her here with at least porn plate appearances. He was constantly behind the count and pitchers began to him because they knew that he was taking the first pitch a lot. And he started to get his own head. Where's the stock right now? I think it's still using. It's not as good as it was last year and those comments about him. What do you like one of the best young players? And I mean, he was. We were Brian. He's been unbelievable for the last two spring. I mean, you really caught a lotta is two things ago when you know, when he was in his first big-league camp and you'll I think is pacifying sign than if they don't sign someone like Manny Machado will be supply all over the field. I still think they can find ways to get him in the lineup. Maybe four times a week. And if he does produce more than that for we. But look, you know, there were a lot of criticism last year when he signed that contract or other agents saying how how could he signed? He'll I think right now, you know, I think they still project him as being everyday regular at some point it probably needs to be a second base. At some point say are Hernandez second basement and had sort of up and down year, but has a decent trackers last year. So Hernandez is the guy there for now Kingery is going to be on the team. So he's gonna have to play a lot of position and he's walked up a little bit. But you know, he just has to have a better, I think mental coach at the plate. He he was just behind every pound and for. A young hitter. Rennie hitter that's impossible for young hitter. Tell and he really did go through that last year. In addition to all the player transactions. We've mentioned the Phillies have been very active this off season in hiring staff. Hiring coaches, they picked up unconventional hitting coaches and people from the Astros and sports science people. Can you shed any light on how they've tried to reinvent their player development and their coaching staff and sort of their information transfer process. This winter clock ran into rob second and Ed Lucas who to foreign players second who was playing last year in the minor leagues. And the dodgers system. They are now hired on the Phillies staff. They're minor league player information coordinators to kind of a clunky title, but their data coaches in the minors. I mean that that they started to do some out last year. Sample was the guy in the majors with sort of data coach, and they had another employee named Ben Worthington. The Orioles he was the Myrlie data koshen how they've added more data coaches and. They've tried to take a progressive approach. I think to player development, and they're not the only team that's done that this off season. They're most interesting higher. No doubt was a guy named Jason char- who came from Dr line. And he is the minor league hitting coordinator, he wrong. He is now in charge of the minor league hitting program. They are totally revamping that, and it will, you know, come with very database approach. I mean are, you know, built the hitting program at Dr line from the ground up. There were a lot of people who are interested in hiring him and major league baseball. There are a lot of people are trying to copy what did in Dr line and fired him. And it's gonna be really interesting to watch how they approach their hitting program. Because no their position player development hasn't been seller. I think they're pitching program as far ahead of their hitting program in the minor league side Raphael. Shabas has headed up that pitching program the last years, and he's done some really good work. With specially with some underside small bonus guys in the low minors. So they. They're taking a very data driven approach to everything that's obvious on the major league side with what Kappler has implemented even decision. They made pitching coach Rick Kranitz had been here for a few years. He was a respected guys very old school baseball guy and the Phillies let them go only. Because other teams wanted to hire the system pitching coach, Chris young, you know, who who was an advance scout for the Astros during their championship years years before that the system pitching coach last year and use very data driven guy. And then and they like what Christiane does and other teams liked it too. So they liked it enough to promote him to pitching coach and fire. Rick Kranitz who had done a good job here. The pitching was there last year? So it's very unusual to see, you know, change in pitching coach after the kind of year, they have pitching wise, but you know, they're they're all in on on on database development on on on database decisions at the major league level. They probably made more hires than last two three years, and they did and the previous decade. Fine. I mean, it's been that. It's been that swift of a change one of the young pitchers did emerge that pitcher development system last year came up made in immediate splash. Of course, was Sarangani Dominguez just reflecting on his numbers here when he came up in may case anyone's forgotten and may through thirteen two-thirds innings. He allowed zero runs he had zero walks and struck out fifteen batters also allowed just two hits. He was very good. And so during the first half of the seasons for the Dominguez was fantastic and immediate splash moved to the closer role. And then he kinda struggled a little bit down the stretch lost his, I guess, you could say release point as walks skyrocketed. And I was wondering is easy to look at the numbers and say, okay, well, moving forward, the real Saranda Dominguez is going to be somewhere in the middle of his first and second half, and that's cetera et cetera. But when you look at to make as you saw him up close and personal a lot of his pitching last year. What do you see moving forward? And it's real easy to look Anthony making say, well, here's a candidate to be the next Ed India's. But what what caused his his second half to be so much worse than. Than his first. And do you think that he has or is in the process of making the changes that are necessary for him to get back to pitching it as best? You know, Jeff, I think it boiled down to this. This was last year was his first full year as early ver-, you know, he had never pitched above high A coming into the twenty eighteen season. He had been in the high Clearwater rotation Florida state league in twenty seventeen. That's where you ended. They add to Adam to the forty man roster because he was rule five guy always had an electric arm. They made him a reliever last spring, and he was so good at couple a and then they had to bring them up. And I just think the workload caught up to he just was not used to the kind of back to back work that kind of two games and three days were through a full season. And it showed I mean in August and September he was really he was feeling it. I mean, I think he just he learned a lot about his body. I think he learned a lot about what it's like to be a reliever in the majors where it's like to be a reliever period, which something he hadn't done before that. And it is hard. I mean, it's. This is the different kind of mentality at different kind of training program. He was when the natural cut that comes on his fastball is a God given gift. I mean, there's just no other way to say it and as long as he can soar that pitch. He's got a great shot. He has an incredible arsenal. And I think, you know, with a little more knowledge about his role in the one more understanding about how a full major league seasonable. Penn is you know, you could see that guy that you saw when I came up you mentioned that. So he soap that the rotation will improve just because the defense will improve. And we know how good Nola is. We know who area is. Although we just recently learned that he was dealing with a knee issue SE's in head surgery to correct it. So perhaps there some improvement there. But you look at the lesser known players in that rotation Nick PETA, Vince, Alaska's eflin all those guys head giant gaps between their era and they're Phipps last year, which you can certainly a tribute to the defense at least in part. So which of those guys. If there's one who stands out seems poised to make the largest improvement or two maybe have more of an improvement in his superficial stats that makes people appreciate how good he already was. Donna, everyone talked everyone. Everyone has written Nick Bennett breakout season type story this off season. And because it's you know, it's impossible not to to to look at the numbers. And think that I mean he he showed a lot of growth last year during the season. I think you know, the numbers reflect that I mean, this guy they believe this guy is a really solid mid rotation starter, maybe even more than that. I I don't know if he's more than that. But if he's really solid number three them, then they'll take that out of the valuable piece and twenty nineteen major league baseball. I. The he's the guy. Yeah. I think he's the guy who is really, you know, his are may catch up to sort of the feeling independent numbers that we saw last year and strikes. A lot of guys out limits. Hard hit ball he pitched away from slugging last year. He didn't give up a lot of home runs. At least in the first half of the year. He is your your poster boy candidate for breakout season. You know, those three guys they need to them to hit, you know, they need to of the three guys out of that athletic, Alaska. It's really hip to be solid. Dependable guys every fifth day for this to work. And and you know, it's why I think you know, they've been tied to every starting pitcher trade market and the free agent market. They went after Patrick Corwin. They were outbid for him and six year deal. They will keep looking for stars. But I there stood fastener belief that that at least two and they think three guys will be reliable starters in the major league rotation. And I think they wanna see how those guys do with the improve defense before they make any other changes. And that's why I. Effect. A let it go into July before they make a move. If they do make a move in the rotation. All right. So we always end the segments by Eskin for a win. Total prediction now in the Phillies case, it's complicated. Because these are probably not the Phillies that we're gonna see on opening day or soon after it. So give us a current prediction for for the rest or as it stands now. And then give us also maybe a with Harper or Machado prediction. I don't know if the with Harper is the same as the with Machado, but you can get as granular as you like. Let's keep it simple. I'll say current Scillies drafter. I'll go with eighty six wins and Phillies roster with either Harper Machado. I'll say eighty eight wins. All right. So you don't think it's that huge of a difference or an upgrade if they get one of those guys, I do, and I don't I I guess I think I think the division is is going to be really good. I think that's part of probably playing into what I'm thinking. Here is that, you know, eighty eight you know, my win the division. 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"The one of the coolest things I found I don't know three or four weeks ago was Zun charger. That is good news for your. Which doesn't have been cooler to find Zun. But yeah, listener starting to know what Zun as group. Everybody. Welcome to a special edition of the geekwire podcast. It's peak wire editor Todd Bishop time reporter Kurtz Lahser. I'm geekwire managing editor Taylor. Soper geekwire acidic editor Monica Nicklesberg. All right. We have got the crew in here. I pulled you out of the news room. I gave you an assignment because this week show is a special edition recording this in advance right about now. I hope that as you're listening to this. I am poolside on spring break. We'll see we'll see. And so we wanted to get everybody together to do a full random channel episode the random channel for those of you who have not heard it before is typically the closing segment of the geekwire podcast where we talk about all the random items that we were buzzing about behind the scenes, so I pulled Kurt Taylor and Monica in here and gave them an assignment to come up with two or three random channel items each evergreen items as they say that might be fun to talk about. But first off Taylor. I want to jump right in here. Serious stuff. Serious step last night in slack. You were giving me some lessons on what different. What would you? Call them acronyms acronyms mean actually mean, and then you posted one of them inadvertently in the wrong channel. Explain what happened because I think this is actually an epidemic that people are going to be struggling with where you inadvertently disclosed something in. Channel that you shouldn't have to tell the story. What happened? Yeah. So we were talking about a topic. That was frustrating to the group and the group Chan I wrote I was like I'm going to respond with acronym. Sarraute SMH, which means shake my head yet. Endore don't say what all of them just say them because when we got to be a family show, but keep going not the obscene ones. But can I believe be them out at SMH headed the L A O like SMH at F O H F OH at voyage, which I thought you all might be familiar with not me now, and I'm youthful. So I say I started using that OH few years ago. Anyway. So I was respond. I was a spawning to your question. What is that? And I thought I was still in the thread, and it turns out in the wrong thread and the wrong third actually included Kerr election include all of us, but crew was there to Inci wrote. Would it mean, it means outta here breast? Yeah. Responded with a question, Mark. And I realized I had done I made an error. Have you ever put something into slack or replied, all to an Email that you thought you were talking to somebody, and you send it, and you realize that you are actually talking about the person who received it hundred percent horrible because then you have this like the gut drop moment of like deleted. Then you never know if they saw it, and you don't wanna bring it up. It'd be like, hey, did you see that thing that I said about you? So then it just hovers forever over your friendship. I have I will admit at times wondered if there was a way as the geekwire Adleman on Google apps, if I could go in and delete an Email that I sent to somebody internally. Yeah. Accidentally. Because for a while, you know, John John Cook, our our colleague his name was associated in our my contacts with events. And so I thought it was responding to John, but it was actually sending it to the events Ilias which went to everybody else. Yeah. The tech is supposed to be helping us. But on those lines. I had moments of that were with controlling our Twitter around thinking, I'm actually tooting. My own from Taylor that to there. So actually said on geekwire than I treat something goes out on geekwire. So, but I've also done that Jerry Baresi, do you? Remember when Twitter I started. There was somehow some way to inadvertently send a text message in response to an alert from Twitter that would then tweet something that you thought was a text message to a friend. They got rid of that. I once accident tweeted, my Twitter password when I thought that was that was horrible moment. Anyway, hey that was my first random item that right there? And even know it was come. Well. Away f- away. What is that? Sounds like some sort of shipping designation actually now that's phobe which anyway, all right? So you all had your assignments to come up with random items to discuss we have not discussed these prior who wants to start. I'm starting. I knew we all wanna talk about it anyway. And you know, it's it's spring is it spring. It is it is. It is. Okay. You know in Seattle the cherry blossoms are going crazy. And so our our Seattle Mariners. What the heck is happening. This is this is not where I expected to be the first week in April. And the reason why this is a geek wear story is because I spend a lot of time watching the Mariners on while you're trying to work places other than places other than the TV whether it's just following them on Twitter or watching the stream on the on a game cast on ESPN, or whatever the heck it is. But this has got us all got us all little bit weirded out because this team was not. Elected to very well. And I had a chance to go to the new ballpark before it opened and T mobile as you know, has its name now on the park and others. Yeah. And that's you know, I think that's probably going to settle down as the season progresses winning as distracted a lot of people from being angry about the magenta. That's all over the park. Now. That's funny. Funny thing that winning does is it makes you not realize that you're angry about the new baseball stadium. Name. Have you guys been yet know yet? Yeah. Well, it's looks weird on TV. That's for sure. But I mean, it doesn't let's be honest. It looks. T Mobile's a big sponsor of MLB. Anyway. So they if you are watching a game on the network their their sponsorship promotional materials, all they're they're in the app there in the the sponsor, the homerun derby, you know, so this is like now they're on the baseball stadium in there in almost their hometown. And it's it does feel like a lot. You know? It's very it's very painkiller follow. They don't like to call it paint. The bullpen is paying the the big signs everywhere. Paying every the garbage cans you name it I've seen jokes onto her about how what they're going to name the park because in one one hundred was the cell. I don't know about that one like s e l l like the nickname team gays make random observation tidier random channel item is so ridiculous. When companies either have a really complicated to say or spell name or pick a color and decide it's called another color, and then gets really sensitive about. Like, if you make your brand pink and everything is paying and you've decided from the beginning that color is magenta like you're planting a flag in the sand to correct people forever. Anyway, I'm so with the Mariners are winning not as much for me. But because my fiance is the most die hard loyal. Mariners fan you'll ever see. And it's been kind of challenging few weeks for us. We lost our very beloved dog. We're getting married in a couple months or still going on. And who so nice to come home and see him just like pink by this young exciting team? That's doing. Well. It's great. Circle back, Jude Monica. That's the thing that everyone said they'd be bad from the outset. They beat the Red Sox who won the World Series last year. This is happening last eighteen years here in Seattle baseball team since they've made the play. We haven't made the playoffs in today kids and every season kinda start whether we were winning little bit or winning a lot. So I was like oh there. There's like a great wisdom. And then by the time August comes around. But maybe this is different. Isn't there? Something great about blind optimism, though. Like, you just a true Mariners fan who spirit can't be crushed. Despite all the data. I guess so we'll have they started off on such a high note at the Tokyo dome right with each euro retiring, and it was funny actually being in the newsroom with you. When that picture came through. It was to me I was like this look at this icon photo of each row with his hat, and it just it was beautiful and your comment was one word, maybe two over processed. Immediately. Kirk gets into photo editor mode and says too many filters. That was definitely not hashtag, no filter moment on social media. Yeah. They're having fun. And it's there's it kind of goes with spring, and it just better than getting off to a jury start. It's been sunny around here. The Mariners winning weird anybody following two thousand one where you here in two thousand one is. Yes, it was. It was similar. It was it was a similar feeling at the beginning. It was like, whoa. Oh my God. I think I'm actually gonna spend three hours watching the Mariners. It was. It was remarkable. It was it kind of feels like that. Although I haven't gotten sucked in at all. I'm not falling at all which is really unusual for me because I am a giant bandwagon person. Like if there's a bandwagon. I'm there. All right. Good item. I think the magenta looks ridiculous T mobile. I it's a little noxious, which is kind of their brand. Well, the I don't know if you'll need to belabor the point but go go for it. I just think, you know, Safeco field opened well it was called Safeco field. After the local insurance company bought the naming rights twenty years ago. It had that classic ballpark. Look that that a lot of these stadiums were going for at that time, you know, coming off canvas yards being Bill and trying to replicate what they have at Fenway or or wherever there's a your historic ideal of a ballpark, and it's very green and steel in the brick, and so now this, you know, wireless company from Bellevue puts its name on there for the next twenty five years, and it's very pink. Is it a twenty five year deal? Yeah. Holy cow. T Mobile's not going to be around in twenty five years. They're not going to be not the around. That's very true the wireless industry like what was around twenty five years ago. That's ridiculous. They should not be making twenty five year deals. I didn't realize it was that long. All right going around the horn here to use baseball term base Taylor. Yeah. I guess I'll take it away from there. Yeah. I guess my Rando thing is Marie Kanda. You heard him Rekondo, right? Sure. So she has a very popular Netflix show, and she had been famous before that for her con cone, Mari method of being tidy. So anyways, I've actually tried to implement Marie condo in my life and got rid of a lot of my clothes and now use the fully method in my drawer, and this is so random I'm like. This is talking about this. But it's been really nice for me. I show talking to Monica about how I dress faster in the morning because I can see all my clothes, and I feel better about it. So for those you don't know her whole thing is if an item doesn't bring you joy anymore. Then you have to, you know, think it for its service and Senate on its way. Yeah. I guess I'm more joyful with multiple. Her book was very popular a few years ago. And then so the Netflix show is obviously writing that popularity and, but the interesting thing about when that Netflix series started is that that thrift stores were overwhelmed with donations really people were just like, I'm watching this new thing influx in you know, me and the wife cleaned up all weekend. And then you take a big load of thrift store, and like thrift stores across the country were basically saying, we're we're kind of overstocked we can't take your stuff. Good time to go thrift. If you're out of that sort of thing, I brought it up to my parents, my mom runs our house like hotel, it just looks like it's macula in there. And we laughed because my dad's like his response. They watched one episode, and he basically got the jesse's by new t shirt, get ready to. That was his thing. Good. Good on you. Yeah. So I'm feeling good about marine condo, speaking of thrift stores. Do you ever go to the superstore that goodwill superstore on Dearborn? I love that place. I I could spend an entire Saturday in the electron EQ section used electric section at a giant. Yeah. Restore I don't know. That's the beauty or something usable. I'd ever. Yeah. I'm looking I'm looking for cool studied pictures of and tweets like, it is fun. The Walkmans the tube TV's. I mean or even going farther than that overwhelms me because I just I look at that stack accords, and I just think nothing there works. No, not the courts, don't don't like gopher. Oh, you mean like you won't be able to power it up? No. For me, the the one of the coolest things I found I don't know three or four weeks ago was a Zun charger. That is good news zoom, which does it would have been cooler to find Zun. But yeah, these listeners starting to know what Zun is great. Let's let's leave it that way. Yeah. I wish I did more more shopping. I think it's the one place. I do frequent is a place in Seattle dot clued into old athletic stuff, like integer sports clothing. And I get into ventures. Open another locates as one in green one on the have and next to the university, Washington. But they just speaking on the manners. Just got this. Awesome. Nineteen ninety-five division champs. And or maybe it was a two thousand one team. But like the whole Ross was on the back of a shares mint condition. Twenty bucks. So yeah, I I love that was that he could make profit. Are you interested? So is this where you got my it. Sure. Taylor Taylor's looking out for me, man. Huckabee will never bring me shirts. The only suck up. That's not true. There's lots of ups are under. Okay. Hey, if you're just joining us and wondering what the heck is going on. Why did you join podcast ten minutes? And I don't know. But that's sort of holdover from the radio show. We are doing a full episode of the random channel we actually usually do talk about tech on the geekwire podcast. But this week, I'm on vacation. And so this is the show we thought it would be fun to get everybody together. People love the random channels. So we're devoting the entire show to it. Monica up. Well, my first item is similar to the Marie Kanda show. It's another Netflix show that I'm obsessed with called queer eye. You might have heard of it and several members of the queer eye cast went to Capitol Hill this week and visited a few different progressive lawmakers. I think everyone visited was a woman. Visit Alexandria, Cossio Cortez and Nancy Pelosi, and John Paul Jonathan van Ness is wearing a pink shirt, and skirt and Alexandria, Akasa Cortez is wearing pink pantsuit, which I just love that image. But it is kind of related to something. I saw last night I was on Instagram watching Cossio Cortez's Instagram story, and it's just her sitting on the floor and an empty apartment eating popcorn and drinking wine. She just is talking about how she has no furniture because she has been so busy since she moved to DC that she just bought any furniture. So now, I'm really hoping that Bobby Burke from queer eye sees that. As a makeover of her home. She has to like perpetuate that going forward now because she's on social media so much that, you know, whether it's clothing or where she's to work in the in New York City, and now her apartment is spares, and it's a sort of adds to her sort of myth of rising from nothing and getting to DC and her youth, and she shares at an scrimp stories, and you see it, and then you share it, and it's like Henchi so crazy at isn't any furniture, congress people they're just like us. I think it's definitely a schtick. But I think it's intentional. I think she's trying to break down the barrier that we put between ourselves elected officials. And so she's making point showing that she eats Rahman in her pajamas, and that she is young millennial who is struggling to pay for student loans, and who isn't really that different from her constituents because her whole thing is like if we keep putting politicians up on pedestals than we're not really evaluating them as real people. Interesting. Okay. Do you buy into that? Do you believe it? I believe it's on purpose and true. What was it? She she talks a lot about how the fact that she had been just recently waiting tables or something like that. Is that true? Tender and a waitress and she was involved in Bernie Sanders campaign, which is how she got into political organizing, President Trump just referred to her as like that young bartender some things make make of it which want, but why going back to career I west there in Seattle film. No, that's what I thought the other Capitol Hill, right? E capital? That makes more sense. Okay. Then you mentioned one of politician from Washington who was probably in DC per millage. I Paul politician from the Seattle area who's busy. She represents Seattle. But yes, there are in DC and Jonathan van Ness. He's also involved in a lot of political organizing addition to be inquiries, hairdresser and queer. Is was like. Possibly the same people who don't know what Zun. I don't think that's how that then dive. Yeah. It's a Netflix show. It's a makeover show with five gay guys who help individuals of all different backgrounds and identities change their lives. And it's very, heartwarming. We're going to break and we'll be right back. You're listening to the random channel. It's a special edition of the geekwire podcast. Thanks for listening. And we'll be right back. The technology management MBA program at the w foster school of business is celebrated degree for working professionals with a passion for innovation locating wind. 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Do we really have to do this? And then I hear Todd mumbling. And all of a sudden, I'm doing the roundup of April APRIL's round up. Some of them are local some of them branched out, and we do some national stuff. And and I did it again this year. Did you see how it was at the Washington? Post. Yeah. Washington Post had we liked really the way they they did at this year where they just listed probably everything they were pitched and everything they could find he's two hundred items one line each with a link to that item. And it said. I'll give an example, Google is not developing this thing, and it'd be willing to and they did that for every brand just to sort of put their snarky spin on snark. That's journalism. It was it was true. That's the thing. I loved about. It was it was absolutely true. I've ranted about this for years. We've got enough fake news out there. We shouldn't have a holiday short. Yeah. And Microsoft's this year decided that they were not going to do it at all. They declaration moratorium on it internally. I love that Microsoft advised its employees that the joke hardly ever works in in this day and age, maybe it's best just to keep keep that stuff out of the public eye. And I did see an internal Microsoft tweet that got shared and might sort of feeds where somebody put a box of top pot doughnuts on a desk that's a local Donut shop, and when you and somebody opened the donuts and inside was veggie tray. Good office prank. Well, my big concern. And all of this has always been that. We would fall for April Fools prank. And we almost did this year. I I had to jump in and go. Whoa. Whoa. Is that real that real? And there was one that wasn't what was that the t mobile team. Oh, they they came out a couple of days before with some what sent us. They sent us was the phone booth. That was the one we almost fell for phone booth. And then they basically sent us the mobile e foam booth, which was a little thing. You wear on your head to make your phone calls more private, right? Yeah. Okay. Well. Good riddance. I hope ever Microsoft starts a trend. I wanted with do basically do next year with the Washington posted this year. I'm happy to give him a hat tip and doing all mosh to them because I love the fact that it's just true this company did not do this because it's. And Microsoft is right. It's not funny. Half of it is not funny and trust me. I know not funny. I saw one good one. This year was not a tech company. I actually I hate pranks in general. I think they suck. But there was a pretty good one on Jimmy Fallon. Did you guys see that? The so maisy Williams who is a star on game of thrones. She plays aria. She went on Jimmy Fallon, and very convincingly pretended to give a huge spoiler from the last season, which is about to come out. And they have I mean, she breaks down. She asks picking if it's live to tape. She goes off stage, and it's like she's tearing up, but it's horrible. And then they come out and say Brazil. They are very strict orders not to give away any spoilers, and she's she pretended to slip, and then she got very emotional about it. And. And she's an actress. So she's also she's young. So she just like you see your crumble, and you're like, no, what was the those that are her character died. Kinda reminds me of that show member punked. Oh, yeah. I mean, I watched that quite a bit. What's he doing was? He was on you guys you and John talked about him on few podcasts ago because he was an investor in couple Seattle companies crowd cow, right? That's right. And I can't remember when they were crow is one crow and investing in crowd. Cal today. I learned crooked. Of Appalachian ELO. That's the way they're going to be the most successful and podcast. Evers? This podcast is called F O OH. It's either F T W or EPO. Right. Wouldn't that be same thing? Basically. W is not after you have is for the win. Too many Acuras over. All right. Let's hear years Monica. Oh, okay. Oh, you jumping in go ahead. Okay. All right. This is great great podcast. Random mortar, and I'm topics. Go jump in Taylor mine because laugh into hard which are. Well, don't do. You wanna go whereas Seattle four way stop. No, you go you go. Well, mine was I just read an interesting interview, Jack Dorsey, founder of Twitter and square and in he says that he's asked is it true that you'll need a smartphone and apparently five years ago guard he got rid of his computer Garrett of his ipad. And he only uses a smartphone says only I like my iphone is a single device can turn off modifications us one time focused on what I'm doing. And I love the freedom. It provides the focus of providers. Interesting because he doesn't use a computer computer the guy who runs. Yeah. No, computer type only own my own. I got rid of my computer. So he does everything it's phone. It's just fascinating to me. Just because how does the such a busy person? But I think it's maybe I think the kind of the future in two hundred eighty character tweets, what does he have to do? Well, he doesn't touch any of the code. I guess coating a little bit ago. So now, he doesn't need the computer. And that's well that implies it. He's not writing any memos. To the team because you can't could you do that on your own? I guess you. I would I would that would kill me. I have so many mistakes and good work guys. Jack. Yeah. It's gonna get carpal tunnel in his thumbs. Wow. Could you do that? Could you just completely give up? From what I do or what we do. But I couldn't even give it. My computer for this podcast at sitting next to me. Wow. Yeah. So interesting and kind of reminds me I remember talking my dad years ago just about his business shipping. But yeah, I I just been on the whole trip without really even using my laptop at all he's he's my smartphone for everything. So maybe there's a trend here of using your laptop bless, and I've gone on trips recently where whether I'm on vacation or for conference or something, and it's nicer when I don't have to bring my computer everywhere can do from my phone. So I don't know. Maybe it's not the phone. Maybe it'll be some augmented reality thing in the future. I've downloaded but have not yet had a chance to use a ten dollar app for the Oculus go virtual headset the VR headset where you can actually remote desktop into your computer from your VR headset and have your desktop in multi monitors in your VR headsets. You could just take your VR headset on vacation, leave your computer running at home. And then just sit there with a keyboard? I don't know how that works actually to try. This report back. I'm picture. Picturing you on the pool with your heads just going to find that at the thrift store. That's going to be in the thrift store in about two years. So right now, you're ready. You stop laughing for the moment. This may next random channel item is something that brought me a lot of joy last night. There's a man named dean Nicholson Scottish man who's riding his bicycle around the world to promote awareness of garbage in plastic. And I think when he was in the Middle East or somewhere in his travels this tiny kitten started following him and eventually picked kitten up and put her in his bike basket, and she's been with him traveling the world ever since she's totally used to being on the road. They'll be biking and you'll see your like playing in her basket or crawling up onto his shoulder. And it's so cute. The Instagram is called one bike one world and the ones are numbers. And it was just a heartwarming story on the internet. Those. No, all right. Wow. That's all she has to do. Don't I didn't really resonate with me. You kind of have to see animals like cats. I like cats this cat. She's so cute, and she's you can tell she's seen some things with the what is it again? One bike one world one by one nice. All right. Jim Jim one worker. I have one more. Okay. I think this is I think this is sufficiently random MacKenzie Twitter joined. She James you're to bazo today. She left base today. Keep going. One rule the random channel episodes, ending editing. Horrible Kenzi bays. Those joined Twitter. I think she joined potentially today. Maybe last night. She's already got her blue check. But it said she joined in April work with just a few days into April. She joined for the sole purpose of announcing that she was no longer married to Jeff. And I thought that was really interesting because it's her one tweet, she was a massing followers. You know, you just kept refreshing in the followers are rolling in. Because I always wondered if she was on Twitter and have looked for in the past to sort of see what her views are uncertain things cover images of a couple of books, as you know, she's a novelist and. Jeff on the other hand has been on Twitter since two thousand eight and he's got something like eight hundred thousand dollars, which isn't that many for the richest man in the world. I don't think, but he retweeted McKenzie's statement about their divorce which was interesting to some folks. And she is also the only person that he is following. He never before followed anyone on Twitter. That's we tried to find this out in slack. Seriously. He doesn't follow Amazon or Washington Post or blue origin, or you know, some show on Amazon prime. You know, is is only follow this little one right there and you click on it. And it's because he base houses ex wife weird and not not even his. New flame. We've debated on. We've tried to figure out what to call Sanchez. That's that's her name. Right. The former TV she's on Twitter. I'd I've already. I'm digging should go with Paramore Paramore that it's it's somewhat elegant. It's it's hard to criticize Paramore that really the strategy there. If you just sound super sophisticated people are just think you're too smart argue with is that the that hasn't happened for me. All right. Yeah. No. That's I think it is. That is really weird. And I bring this up because this is a woman in Seattle now who has instantaneously nine instantaneously, she put in a lot of hard work over a lot of years, but she is one of the richest women in the world now in it'll be interesting to see how she directs her money if any of it goes towards philanthropy or certain causes or pet project that she's into an whether she broadcasts on Twitter. We'll be watching. I guess speaking. Jack Dorsey fascinated me how Twitter has not only like managed to stick around. But seems to maybe the Trump effect or something, but if the means market cap as actually almost doubled in last few years, I saw some graphics nap drivers Twitter, and they basically switched Boston terms of how valuable they are. But. Just it's crazy. How important Twitter is speaking of Jeb as us, and he's he's made all these announcements about his divorce and his clapback against like the national quarrel. He wrote on that post on meeting, but he'd put out through Twitter. He's announcing his divorce on Twitter and Twitter's just you know, it started as the text message thing when it first debuted us out west many years ago, and it's still relevant maybe more. So than ever just interesting to see how these the world richest just man is even using it to make these bold announcements when you have more than you would have expected. I would do eat my Facebook right now before my Twitter. Really? Wow. Okay. That's a good question. If you could if you had to delete one somebody forced to to one of the big, Facebook and Instagram come together. No. I treat Instagram as separate from Facebook. Yeah. That's what they want you to do. They want you to think. Yeah. I would have a really hard time to leading Facebook. I that's where my that's all of the people. I know are like if I want to actually talk to the people, I know, and I've I've made a point over the years of not accepting friend requests, or making friend requests to people who I don't actually know. So in that way, Facebook is actually extremely valuable to me if I post something just to my friends, I know that the only people were gonna see absent some hack are my friends, my actual friends people have like talked with in real life shouldn't that be the standard. If you haven't talked to somebody in real life. You should not friend them on Facebook. Yeah. I treat my face. But like that too. It's various how could you possibly delete that because I'm sick of what my friends have to say, you know, like what strangers are saying on Twitter about goes. Funnier you need new friends. All right. Okay. What else is on the list? Anybody? That's it got time to we. Can you got another one Taylor early? But I come up with. No, it's all right. I think. Taking the random channels h. And with that that is the episode of the random channel. I am. Hopefully right now standing up and maybe walking to the bar near the pool. That's that's what I'm doing. Yeah. Yeah. Do you all you all see your Facebook feed from some beautiful beach in Hawaii? I'm just getting mine. All right. I'm just getting mine are hey until next time. I'm Todd Bishop. I'm Kurtz Lahser. I'm Taylor Soper. And Monica nNcholas Berg, we will be back next week with the regular addition geekwire podcast with actual tech news. But in the meantime, we hope you've enjoyed this walk and scroll through the random channel. 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Shoot me an Email Adam Abang, book dot com. Not sure if I'll do this for all the MLB segments that I do here in the month of March. But I will do it with every addition of the better Spock. So I cover a lot of things I cover a lot of numbers a lot of statistics. Probably in your best interest to sign up for the notes mailing list here for the batters box and the MLB segment, so advocate, bankable dot com. If that's something that you want to do. All right. Let's talk a bit League West here. We start with the Houston Astros last year one zero three and fifty nine for the Astros bounced, of course in five games by the Boston Red Sox in the American League championship series season win total here for the Astros ninety six and a half last year's team tied for the best pathetic and win loss record since nineteen sixty that was a much better team than the one zero three and fifty nine record would indicate there were actually a one team than the one three and fifty nine records indicate they were a one oh nine and fifty three team last year based on Therrien win loss, which is a standings metric derived from run differential. So they were even better last year than their record would suggest, but this year, I've got some concerns starting pitching depth is becoming a real weakness here. They're very top heavy with Justin Verlander Garrett Cole. Both guys had career years last year, particularly in the strikeout department Cole. James more sustainable because Justin Verlander in his mid thirties. Now, this is a very top heavy rotation though because behind ver- Lander and coal you've got Wade Miley, Callen McCue, and Brad peacock Lance mccullers out for the year with Tommy John. Josh James delayed with a quad strain here in spring training force Whitley, just not ready to go yet. And he's a guy that was limited to about seventy innings last year in the minor leagues. So I think there's a spot for Houston here. If they want to be the team that gets Dallas will. But the problem is that they probably only want go for one year he'd like some multi-year security. You can't fault him for that. So maybe Houston s to bite the bullet and either give kaikal a couple of years, maybe two or three years or go with these depth options that they have you know, McCue was a starter wasn't very good in that role. Went to the bullpen was very very good. Now, he transitions back to a starting capacity. Brad peacock San thing was a starter Denner reliever. Now back to starting. So. These are guys that have a track record. These are guys that you don't really have to worry about from a workload standpoint. But from a consistency standpoint. I'm not sure what to expect from them you. I'm not sure if Wade Miley is the real deal with that contact management. He developed a Milwaukee. I don't know how McEwan peacock who have very good secondary offerings. I don't know how they do with having to deepen their arsenals by being in the starting rotation. Lots of question marks here for this starting rotation. In fact, could create some depth issues for this bullpen as well to the point where a lot of bullpen innings mounting for these guys as we go throughout the season. The thing you're Houston, though, is that there are no weaknesses in this lineup. This lineup is exceptionally good. Carlos Correa was hurt. Most of last year with a back problem. He should be good to go this year. L experiment was a little bit late to the party and spring training with an elbow problem. But he's a guy that I think is a dark dark horse. But a guy I liked to win the MVP this year wholesale. Obey very good. They add Michael Brantley great light up tremendous lineup. They'll out hit some of their pitching concerns, and they'll still win the west division here. But again, we talk about players to watch. When you've got several guys here in this starting rotation that you want to take a very close look at. We move on to the Los Angeles angels of Anaheim eighty and eighty two last year season when turtle here this you're eighty three and a half on. Fortunately, sa- bad news here this week coming out of angels camp that Andrew Heaney is already hurt I presume Tyler Skaggs will be soon to follow. He'd he was a guy that really ramped up the workload last year. Relative to the previous three years disappointed to hear that he's already dealing with some discomfort. You know, Matt Harvey obviously a long injury history for him. Trevor K hill is a guy that you know, he's not all that durable. Either. So rotation depth a substantial issue for the Los Angeles angels of Anaheim four this season. And also, I don't like the bullpen at all. They're hoping Cody Allen can return to form I'm not so sure about that. He's the only guy with closer experience. Really in the back end of this bullpen, you've got just an Anderson and campaigns Rosen and some guys that have had cameo appearances in that role. But Allen has to be good for this bullpen. I don't really know if he's going to be. I do like the offense. Obviously you've got my drought. You have to get off. It's Mike trout. Just an update angelsen Simmons just in bore Zach coz art should be better. Coming back off the injury. They've got some offensive pieces. But man, I don't like this pitching staff at all top to bottom. Just not a fan. I don't like the Brad awesomeness higher. There have been some articles here about office embracing analytics a little bit more working alongside Billy up ler. That's fine show. It to me before I actually believe it don't love that higher. Hate this pitching staff. And hi maime Berea who's going to get one of these rotations spots here. Three forty one ERA last year four fifty eight v four ninety nine x v. Eighty two point one percent left on base percentage. Horrible K rate below average walk rate didn't do sweet contact. So there is that and credit him for that. And it's very good ballpark to be a fly ball pitcher. But I don't love this profile regression we'll becoming and also looking at another guy here in this rotation. Matt Harvey twelfth highest fly ball. Online drive average exit velocity last year. So he gave up a lot of hard contact the angels better score at tunnel runs. But I'm looking at the angels under team under eighty three and a half. I think they'll struggle to get the five hundred again and waste yet. Another year of the prime of Mike trout, the Oakland Athletics ninety seven and sixty five last year season win total this year, eighty three and a half. This team is not getting nearly enough respect. I love this Oakland team this a season win total that I played one of my biggest plays here of the season win total cycle here. I love this team. They've got a good offense. They still have an elite bullpen despite some of the losses that they had, you know. In fact, they pick up Joakim seora they spent some of their resources on him. He led the league last year among batters with one hundred fifty bedded balls in average exit velocity against so he's a perfect a perfect couple memory piece to Blake training. They still have Lou Trevino. They still have a lot of guys that are very very solid relievers in. That oakland. Bullpen looked rotations. Not great. You know, I get it. Mike. Fires Marco Estrada Brett Anderson. Frankie Montas Chris Bassett small margins for error not a whole lot to get excited about here. But look in the minor leagues. Hey, Zeus Lazardo is going to be coming very soon. He looks like the real deal one of the top prospects in this oakwood organization, James cappelli and comes back from Tommy John this year, he should get that stock rising AJ puck is the number two prospect in this system grant homes looks really good, you know, by July or August, this Oakland rotation could look dramatically different dramatically different. I love this team. I really truly do. They've got great depth organizationally Franklin burrito. Horia Matteo Dustin follower. Guys in the minor leagues as well. That could step up in the event of injuries. Matt Chapman's the best third base defender in the American League medal sins of good hitter. Chris Davis big power threat. Stephen piscotty. They're going to sell it out field. I love this Oakland team over eighty three and a half probably my favorite season win total play here for the upcoming season. You know, they hit for power. They've got that depth. And also to you know, I don't think that this rotation will be as bad as people think, and I looked at one key guy here in particular. And that's Marco Estrada Marco Estrada last year, five sixty four ERA five forty four v five seventy nine expe twenty four percent ground ball percentage last season. Well, where was Marco straddle last year? He was in Toronto top five parks in Woburn weighted on base average on fly balls and line drives last season. Toronto was third Yankee Stadium was second Fenway was fifth of the Twenty-eight starts that Estrada. Head last season seventeen of them in those three parks. He had fourteen starts at home where he was very bad with a five. Thirty-three ERA any five seventy slugging percentage against in two starts at Yankee Stadium. Astrology thirteen runs on thirteen hits and over seven and a third innings and four runs on seven hits in his lone Fenway start. So was he good last year? No, not at all. But he was really bad in parks that are really bad for fly. Ball and line. Drive pitchers. Estrada does not induce ground balls. So I think there's some hidden surplus value here this season in Marco Estrada because Oakland's ballpark last year. Oakland Coliseum was twentieth. In weighted on base average on fly balls and line drives Texas was fourth. So he'll be a fade cabinet when they got onto Arlington, but angel stadium was fifteenth minute maid park in Houston was nineteenth Safeco field was twenty-second. So massive park factor upgrades here. Four Marco Estrada. I think four twenty five ish ERA not out of the question at all. And with this bullpen and with. This offense that's gonna play for Marco Estrada. So Marco Estrada is a guy. I'm not seeing you draft him fantasy leagues. I'm not saying you get all excited about him. But when he's in a home dog role or a toss up type of role this year. I will be looking to back him well at home and on the road because I think he will be very undervalued commodity again last year, top five parks in fly ball and line drive weighted on base average, his home park was third. Yuki stadium was second. And he was terrible there and then Fenway was fifth, and he was bad in this one start there now much better park factors for Astrada. It really even a guy like Mike fires. Same kind of thing. Even Chris Bassett's? Same kind of thing. You'll let a pitch to contact guys in this Oakland rotation, but they're a much better team defensively than they've been in the past. And also this park factor. Does kind of elevate those guys with that cool marine air and all of the faults era. Tori at Oakland Coliseum the Seattle. Mariners. You're eighty nine and seventy three last year. But there were the biggest overachiever in baseball perpetuity and win loss. And then they went on to have a fire sale their season win total here, seventy one and a half the guys that are gone Robinson Cano Edwin James Paxton, gene, cigarroa Nelson Cruz. You know when I looked at this latte from last season Edwin James Paxton combined for twenty five percent of the Mariners total team strikeouts. So they lost a lot in losing those two guys. But that being said season went down to seventy one and a half. I still like Mitch Haniger. I still like to Mingo Santana a bummer that Kyle Seager is going to be out for the next six weeks, which will take him essentially into the month of may all when it comes to his return, but still some professional hitters guys. Like Jay, Bruce, Edwin Encarnacion. Yeah, they're on the downsides of their career. But I don't think this lineup's going to be nearly as bad as people think I like a guy like Alex Smith as well. So I'll go to be that bad. Now. I don't love the pitching staff. Marco Gonzales, you're opening day starter. That's cool. He's not bad for average or better pitches. Couple of beds months last year is pretty good otherwise pitch to contact kind of guy, but you know, doesn't walk guys, and he's left handed and that always helps a little bit especially when you're in a very good park factor. Like Gonzales is a lot of people. Of course, go to be looking at UCLA Kukuchi deception high swing and miss rates in Japan. I think he's a guy that could play above average here especially at Safeco field. So Gonzales and Kukuchi, I think are just fine at the top of this rotation. It's kind of everybody else a little bit worried about we know king Felix as nothing anymore. Wade leblanc. Not great. And Mike leake the guy I want to settle on here guy. Want to focus on here, you know, for Michalik last year, very high exit philosophies against early in the season. And I talked about this in my picks and tips piece that we had a nice little run backing Mike leak in the middle of the year. He did not pitch well late in the season though. This is a guy that needs to change. His arsenal quite a bit. You'll he did throw a sinker nine percent last last year needs to throw the slider in the cutter a lot more. If those changes take hold maybe he's the guy we want to look to back four thirty sixty IRA last year, four fourteen v four fifteen expert average v necks fifties. Not a great pitcher by any means. But he shouldn't hurt this team too much, quite frankly, I don't mind going against the grain here with Seattle over seventy one and a half. I don't love it by any means. But I think that there's a big over-reaction to what this team lost. And not enough. People are looking at what is still here. I think esteem despite a pretty weak bullpen. I will be very competitive this season. Maybe they fall around seventy wins. Maybe it's a pretty good number. I'm not going to bet it personally. What if I had to take every team? I would look to take Seattle over. I just stick it. There's a little bit of an overreaction to everything that the Mariners have done here this off season. One more team to talk about the American League. West is the Texas Rangers. I won't spend too much time on them. Season win total sixty seven and ninety five or last year's record. Excuse me, sixty seven ninety five season win, total seventy and a half. Look. This is a bad team. You've got so many questions in this circle. Tation does Mike minor hold up for a second straight year as a starter? Lance Lynn in Arlington with command and control issues. That's terrifying. Ensign volquez drew smiley Shelby Miller all coming off of major injuries volquez off Tommy John smiley off of everything under the sun. Tommy, John Miller as well. You really got to wonder what those three guys are going to do. And really what? The Rangers have done here is they've positioned themselves to trade those guys to contenders and the trade deadline, and you can't really fault them for that. I think it's a decent way to try and restock your farm system a little bit. But also, these guys are very high risk with marginal rewards. So I'd be very worried about this, Texas segregation. In fact, I am very worried about this Texas starting rotation. I will say at least there's this that Jose Leclerc. Probably the best reliever. You've never heard of the closer for Texas. Very very good. At least if they have leads in the late innings. They should be able to hold those up with the clerk and guy. Jesse Chavez and also on nice little pick up at Sean Kelly now offense for the Rangers. You know, they're going to work with. No, no Marvin Zara on his launch angle. We'll see if that pays any dividends. We know Joey Gallo hits dinger's, but a lot of them are going to be so low here, I guess gerbil Cabrera's a segment pet-sitter in this lineup. He'll be treated in the month of July quite possibly to Cleveland on Shitsu off of his first good year in the last three. He's heading into his age thirty seven season. You really worry. A lot about this Texas team, both pitching wise and ofensive -ly. This is an under to me. This is what I've considered betting. I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. But definitely look at Texas under their season win, total of seventy and a half. Are we move onto the National League east here where we start with the Atlanta Braves last year's division champs in the NFL east at ninety and seventy two their season win total eighty six and a half here. This is a clear-cut under pick for me. This is what I have played already. I do quite a bit. What they're the fourth best team in this division. They've got a good offense. They've got Ronald kunia. They've got Freddie Freeman Ozzy Albee's. We'll see what Josh Donaldson. Does if he's healthy dick Marquez ender? Inciarte you'll hunt. Camargo? They've got guys get hit. And the problem for Atlanta's that except for Miami. Everybody else in the division can hit to the differences. They have pitching in Atlanta does not, you know, Mike, Fulton averages already hurt. Plus, he was a regression guy. Anyway with a two eighty five three thirty seven fifty three seventy seven exit big drop in Bab had a big strikeout. Spike, usually you see the opposite. You'll see the strikeouts. Spike, the Bab go up adjusted arsenal through more sliders. Fewer fastballs. That's good. But you know, didn't get the same chase rate with more sliders. Got some swings and misses in the zone that I don't know if they're going to stick Fulton. So actually is quite frankly outside of the injury. The least of my worries here. Sean nukem eleven point six percent walk rate Julio, Tehran eleven point six percent. Walk rate last year for Tehran badmouth of to seventeen that was way off of his career Mark three ninety four ERA four eighty three v. He's a regression guy. They lost. Anabol- Sanchez Tuckey Tucson's going to slot in the rotation. And he could be good. But I think right now is more of a bullpen profile as he develops all of his pitches in that arsenal. I hate this rotation. I really truly do. I there's some upside in the minor leagues. There's good triple eight depth on those guys will be up sooner rather than later, probably. But man, even with Kevin Gosper who I think can be a little bit above average. I don't like the rotation. The bullpen is very pedestrian unless they go inside Craig kimbrel. That would be a big help. I don't love this team. I liked the offense. I don't like the pitching staff, and like I said the teams in this division that can hit also have pitching that puts them ahead of Atlanta. And a lot of different ways the central's very strong. The west isn't really a complete pushover. So Atlanta under for me under eighty six and a half, definitely one. That's on my radar as I said, I played it already. But we'll see if this thing goes back up again, I made double down a little bit on it. How about the Miami Marlins here? Sixty three ninety eight last year their season, total sixty three and a half already played the under on this one. I mean this team is worse than last year and the division is much much stronger than last year. I don't know how this team avoids one hundred losses. I really truly don't they're going to lose fifty plus games. They're probably a lose fifty five games in this division at least playing seventy six against these four teams. Fifty five losses already not asking for a whole lot to get the rest of the way to the Onder here on this one, right? Anderson is good. Sterling Castro is good. There's very little beyond that in terms of the starting lineup. They'll have a massive fire sale this summer with Carlos Granderson Martine produ way in Chen. If somebody wants him surly Castro's gone a year and a half left. He could be on the move. They've got some other rental guys as well. They're looking to cut payroll wherever they can the Marlins are going to look much different after the trade deadline here this year on it won't be a good look at all. And Furthermore, something else. Keep in mind. What are the rule change? There's one trade deadline now there's one trade deadline, and it's still I thirty I well, the fact that teams can't trade these waiver guys in August means that they're looking at two months of being rid of everybody. You know last year teams would decide you know, once they got in the late August. Well, I don't think we're going to do it this year, let's make some waiver trades while teams don't have that luxury. Now, not that the Marlins are going to be in the hunt at all anyway, but maybe they would have made some waiver deals because guys get put on waivers. Just in case they get claimed then the teams try to work out a deal if they can't the player stays with the team if they can there's a waiver deal. There's no waiver trade deadline anymore to end of August. So now these teams that are working to be sellers. Absolutely have to get rid of these guys by July thirty first so like taxes like a Miami. Here. These teams that won't be in the hunt. They're gonna go two months without some of those guys they've traded away as opposed to maybe six weeks or four weeks. So that's definitely a consideration here as well. With some of these. Bottom. Feeder teams for Miami. People are raving about public Lopez of loss and the increase for him solid. Minor league numbers. He's a contact management guy. I think he could be okay. You know, I like Caleb Smith and Trevor Richards both of those guys miss some bats both of those guys also missed some time last year with injuries, we enchant Dan straightly serviceable at home, but complete punching bags on the road. I would not be shocked if the Marlins only win twenty-five road games this year. I really truly wouldn't be shocked because they've got a starting staff that really has potentially a beaten up badly on the road, and they can't hit, you know. At least it holding the fact that they can't hit. It's not as bad because they could pitch better at Marlins park, but they can't hit and they can't hit on the road. They're not winning much of anything about these splits for we in Chen and hope in seventy eight innings, we enchant a one sixty two ERA get seventy eight inex- one eighty batting average. Against to forty five on base to eighty three slugging against two thirty. Whoa. Bug inst-. Kenan home in seventy eight innings in fifty five and a third innings on the road. We in Chen last year, eight nine twenty-seven ERA three thirty two average against three ninety eight on base. Six nine slugging percentage. A four nineteen wilda guest on the road four nineteen. Incredible. How bad weedy and Chen was on the road last season. I would not expect it to be a whole hell of a lot different here. This year to give you a frame of reference here last year Christian yelich who won the MVP had a four twenty two wilda. So essentially everybody on the road against we in Chen hit like Christian yelich, which is insanity. But that's just how bad we was on the road last year getting his fifty five and a third innings Slavi Asli. We may have some value at home on the road. Not at all. We're play overs. We'll play first five overs. We'll play that type of stuff against we in is on the road. Let's take a look the New York bets here seventy seven and eighty five last year eighty five and a half their season win total. Look this is an elite rotation. Jacob degrom Noah, Syndergaard Zack Wheeler Jason Vargas, even had some decent exit loss numbers against Stephen Matt's. The riddle for Mickey Callaway to solve here this year. You know, look the Mets Ed Robinson can all Wilson. Ramos JD Davis. Dominic Smith and Pete Alonso. We're going to play at first. Now, they've got more athletic bench with Jonathan Braxton won the Garas Dany head sharia jed Lowery's injured right now. But he'll be back. Todd frazier. Still, okay. If you went assessments comes back at all that's a big boost. Brandon Nimmo had a great year last year. Muggle Conforto closed out the year strong. I like this lineup quite a bit. I liked their balance like the versatility off Jeff McNeil place in left field. It's going to be ugly. But you know, really upset of that. I mean, the Mets are a decent defensive team. I guess overall. But a very solid offensive team problem is they played a part that really suppresses offense. We'll have to see how that goes for them over the course of the year here, but men outside of the rotation which is very strong. The bullpen is quality. You've got Edwin d as juris familiar, I love Robert Selman and Seth Lugo to right handers that I really like very high spin rate for lugos curve ball. You only thing I worry about is that this team is a little. Older. But really, I think the Mets have a lot of potential here this year one guy, I want you to take a look at here. Jason Vargas, five seventy seven ERA last year five oh, two v. Not good at all four forty two extra dough. So that homerun to fly ball percentage should regress to eighty five wolf against it home three ninety four wolf against on the road. But over his last fifty four two third innings held opposing hitters to a two eighty eight Wilbur and had some decent road efforts at in Philadelphia in Chicago against the cubs in Washington. So he was a guy that was hurt early on in the season. But got better as the season went along get head some decent exit philosophy metrics, Jason Vargas is going to be a hidden gem. I think at home in his starts this year for the Mets because degrom Syndergaard Wheeler. They're all going to be priced high. No one's going to bat an eye at Jason Vargas. I think there could be so upside and some value there with him Philadelphia Phillies eighty and eighty two last year season went to Italy here this you're eighty nine and a half. Look Bryce Harper is a big deal. But this was a strong lineup. Anyway, one thing at the Phillies were missing last year. I'm not a big batting average guy by any means. I'm definitely an on base percentage type of guy and then a wolf type of guy, but they were missing batting average top of the order now, they get Andrew mccutchen. They get gene cigarroa, they added that batting average element element, excuse me. And they didn't sacrifice walk rate. You know, they still have recess gins who's going to walk a fair amount Cesar Hernandez good on base percentage guy. Mckell Franko was back to league average. You know, this is a lineup that looks really really strong overall. And you're going to have depth one through eight in this lineup guys to get on base guys that put the ball in play guys at hit for power. I like this lineup quite a bit here for the Phillies. Now, the pitching staff has some surplus value guys God is so there's Aaron Nola, and you wonder about his innings increase who two two hundred and twelve point one innings last year. But Jake Arrieta was hurt last season. I would expect him to be more. Consistent, Nick potato four seventy seven ERA, but a three eighty fifth three forty two up. Well, over a strikeout parading cut his home run right down by about two and a half percent from two thousand seventeen to twenty eighteen if doesn't get this year, he's close to league average. So I would expect pathetic to be closer to a four ERA with those good peripherals Vince Velazquez for eighty-five ERA three seventy five fifth. One thing that did really hurt these guys. Last year the Phillies were terrible defensively. They'll be better defensively this year, though, not they won't be great by any means. But they will definitely be better. That'll help out this staff the season until just has no equity at this point with the Harper signing going up into the high eighties. But this will be a very good team will be a playoff caliber team should be right there for this division. When all is said and done. Finally, we take a look at the Washington nationals here eighty two and eighty last year eighty eight and a half their season win total. They added Patrick Corbin to go with max Scherzer. Stephen strasburg. Hopefully Strasbourg stays healthy this year. They also ended Annabel Sanchez an edible Sanchez really changed his arsenal around last season. Wanna put the second best average exit philosophy against in baseball behind Joakim Soria, and I'll talk a lot about exit velocity is the season goes along. But I mean think about it. You know, if you're able to avoid hard contact guys don't hit home runs with eighty eight mph average exit philosophies, you know, they just don't do it. So the most detrimental of hits the extra base hits usually balls to get hit really really hard. If you could minimize hard contact. You can have a lot of success Sanchez a guy that did that last year. I know people will look to fade him with his lower era is higher expert. But I believe in the sustainability their of edible Sanchez also going to national Stephen plays some pretty strong defense, which should help him as well. And look you add Corbin you add Sanchez bring back, Alex. You thirty beds starts from quad pitchers last year. Also, I think you upgraded from Tanner Roark with Anibal Sanchez. I really liked this Washington team quite a bit in the pitching department. At least starting pitching side. I like the lineup to even without Bryce Harper. Lots of high-velocity contact guys want Soto Anthony Don was the most under appreciated bit player in baseball and a meeting. Trae Turner guys that run guys to put the ball in play guys. Get on base. I Bryant dosier bounceback candidate like this lineup quite a bit too. Now the bullpen is my primary worry for Washington high risk high reward. Sean Doolittle gets hurt a lot. But misses a lot of bats Trevor Rosenthal missed all of last year. Kyle bear claw misses. A lot of bats. You know, the thing is like the Indians the Washington rotation will work deep into games. So that can help the bullpen out a little bit. But if injuries pop up for this bullpen major concerns there for them. And obviously you David Martine. He has people not to sold on him. So I do like Washington from a talent standpoint to win the east. There's a little bit of value on them. I their season win total over a little bit get high number when you talking about high numbers and a lot of margin for error. But man, this NFL east very very strong. But again, I think the Braves the team I would expect the ticket pretty decent step back here this year. And obviously the Marlins will be a punching bag and get Oakland over the American League West my favorite season wins. It will over bed here of the season. So there you go. There's a look at the American League West and the National League east could have to do some more baseball stuff. Here is the season getting very very close. 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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 538: Ken Griffey Jr. and League Updates

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 538: Ken Griffey Jr. and League Updates

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But it's going to come after this segment is going to be the second and third segment of today's episode first segment we're going to go over some stats and then the third segment is going to end with a little bit of a darker note. We're not going to get too deep into that just yet. But then we're going to end with just regular baseball talk we're going to go over some stats for the last segment of today's episode. And then after that will be will be perfectly fine ending today's episode with some stat. Talk we have a long talk about kenya junior in the middle of the episode. But first up we are going to be talking about the about know just standing up dates but before we get into that if you guys like this episode or wants to hear more about what we're doing here at at gmc baseball podcast. You can follow us on twitter at g. m. c. all caps underscore and then baseball all lower cased. You can find me on twitter. At patrick capital p. k. e. n. e. y. capital k. As well and then an underscored there. That's at patrick kenny. K. e. n. N. e. y. Underscore you follow me on twitter If you like this episode please follow us rate review. Give a gift please. Nicer view that what your first you automatically know when the new episodes come out. We put out a lot of baseball content every week from different voices. I'm just one of the voices here with the baseball podcast. So and that being said in it and start out with the al east so in last place still the baltimore orioles. That probably going to be there. The rest of the year They're seventeen games out of first place right now. Thirteen and a half out of a wild card spot. they're five and five out of their last temp. They did lose two in a row and they're the only team in this division that is positive run differential. they're minus sixty wants so far this year and they're i mean baltimore just really doesn't have a great team this this year and that was pretty expected coming into into the really into just baseball. The baseball season this year that they weren't going to be very good and they're kind of energy building phase but up next is the toronto blue jays. They're in fourth place right now. Seven and a half games back out of the out of first place there. Thirty one and thirty four games behind boston for the wild card spot. They're four and six out of their last ten and they've lost to a row. They're up against a series right now. It's boston which i believe is going to conclude tonight june twelfth and The they're they're they're missing. They have a very good offense. They have the second best offense in terms of opie s in baseball And like they they have the top five offense just their pitching staff. That's really kind. Let me letting them down and so blue jays definitely gonna try and make some moves in beef up their their bullpen before too long because they have a shot. Y'all are still waiting on george springer to come back a little bit and injuries have not been toronto's friend this season up next though in third place is the new york yankees and they're a game ahead of toronto thirty three and thirty. They're six and a half out of i. In three games back out of the wildcard there also foreign six out of their last ten. But they did lose their most recent game and they're up against a the phillies in a series in philadelphia in a little bit of a twenty twenty one rematch from the two thousand and Nine world search it has in eight world series and two thousand and nine world series that last time affiliates were really really good was That that latte those couple of years the late two thousands and in early twenty tens a but both these teams are really. Good with philly and the yankees. They're they're both. They both have similar records. We'll talk more about the phillies in a second but the phillies there are thirty thirty one. The yankees are thirty. Three and thirty. It's just semantics really there Until you get later into. The season but boston is currently in second place there. Thirty nine and twenty five and are bouncing back very well after a tough series against the astros their game out of first but they're two and a half games up on the next closest wildcard team. Which would be the cleveland indians They are seven and three out of their last ten in their winners of tuna row learn. They're playing toronto right now and they seem to have toronto's number kind of like how houston has boston's number this year Tampa bay is in first place. Their forty and twenty four only forty win team an entire the entire major league baseball right. Now they're six and four out of their last ten in. They're the best team in baseball. I believe since like early may and like that is evident in their record. The fact that they're twenty six games above five hundred right now and teams like the dodgers who at the beginning of the year. We're just so hot that they're not even that they're only thirteen games above five hundred and i didn't mean twenty six. I'm at sixteen games above five hundred twenty six. The the dodgers are only thirteen games above five hundred. The giants over are also sixteen games above five hundred. But they don't have forty wins there. Thirty nine and twenty three and we'll talk more about them in a minute but tampa bay is is doing fantastic this year and like they have one of the best hitters in baseball in vladimir engineer is making a case for mvp right now in terms of team. The only thing that they're really not doing well is is pitching but like even then they're still top ten and team era and in in hitting. They're also. I mean actually pitching his. What is kind of keeping them over the top and i misspoke when i said that but pitching their top top ten. They're number six era and then hitting the middle of the field but that's okay in terms of opie s Especially when you have a pitching staff like they do in guys like tyler glass now who who are just absolutely falling out right now but up next the ale central so in the central remember how last time. I was excited that the minnesota twins seemed to be riding the ship and moving themselves out of the cellar in the central. It does not appear to be the case there. Thirteen games under five hundred. They're twenty five and thirty eight to fourteen games out of first place and they are eleven games right now. Behind the wildcard there three and seven out of their last ten and they lost their most recent game. Their pitching staff right now is so abysmally bad. They've given up three hundred thirty. Three total runs this year. Which is Almost almost the worst in in baseball. Not by not by much their second worst in baseball with the Three hundred and thirty three runs given up so far the only team that is worse than them is arizona. Who's given up three hundred forty runs this year. They're pitching staff abysmally bad this year and that that was that that has been a concern for the minnesota twins really for the last really the last few years even even when they were winning the division the last couple of these The last couple of seasons the biggest issue was was wins. Or not wins. I obviously the based issue is how many ways you can get season but the biggest issue for them is pitching and it has been. They've never had a really good rotation like just a top ten rotation and baseball. They lost probably their best relief. Pitcher and trevor may this offseason and then just didn't really replace him and the like and because of that. And i'm not saying that trevor may is a is going to save them. Forty two runs with Like what into sixty three games into the season for them like it's not something that is is that big of an issue just them losing them him but that's a big loss to their bullpen. And it seems he's paying dividends in With him in in new york with the mets and minnesota is is has completely taken a just fall off the face of the earth this season. I believe it feels kind of like a fluke year. Kind of like Boston last season where they struggled one of the worst teams in baseball when they were projected to be one of the better teams but detroit. They're in fourth place right now in the central they're twenty six and thirty seven honestly like that's about where i expected them to be at this point in the season about a two weeks almost through june about thirteen games which they are right now behind the first place. Ten games out of the wild card. They are foreign six out of their last ten. We seem to be doing okay. They did lose their most recent game to the white sox But that you know they they actually have a very talented team. That's going to be good in a couple of years. And you see that when you watch some of these games were detroit is playing. Teams like the white sox. They're giving them kind of fits. They're not they're cadillac. Fighting a lot there scratching. They're trying to do a lot of different things putting a lot of young guys out. And that's that's a good reason for detroit to be where they are. The thing about detroit is that they're really gonna need to boost their offense more so than their defense. They've only given up two hundred ninety five runs so far this year which is not good by any stretch of the imagination. But it's also not that bad especially when you consider that they've only score at two hundred and forty runs this year so they need to just kind of. They're they're working on on becoming better as as baseball as baseball team. And that's really what's important here is than trying to build build up a good organization from the ground up. That's what they're doing this year. That's why they're twenty six and thirty seven right now. city though they are in third place again there about were projected them to be i i actually projected them to beat fourth place because i expected minnesota to be a lot better but being thirty two games below five hundred right now thirty and thirty two with a eight and a half had a first and five and a half out of wildcard. They're a lot better spot than i really thought they were going to. I didn't expect much of kansas city really anything this year other than to maybe compete with cleveland for about third place right now because of how bad minnesota's doing because i expected minnesota to just be running away with this vision. It seems like the white sox are the ones that are actually doing this. Cleveland is thirty three and twenty seven. They're four and a half out of first place from behind the white sox game and a half behind houston in boston for that. Second wildcard spot. They are Six four of last ten. They are winners of their last game. They are a series against seattle at home right now and they had a very convincing win last night On the eleventh the white socks though thirty three and twenty four they are doing a great job or thirty nine and twenty four. They're they're one of the best teams in baseball. They've only given up two hundred and nineteen runs this year which is very very low. It's only lower It's it's only hire to the mets and the mets have played fifty five games this year. Like which is six games more than or less than the The the amount of games at the white sox plate so you kinda gotta take into consideration but their offense is so high that they have the. They're they're plus ninety run differential. That is only second to the dodgers. They the the white sox are legit. They're they're real really really good team this year and that's something that everybody should be paying attention to about in the al west the rangers. They're in last place there. Twenty four and forty third thirteen and a half out of i twelve and a half back a wild card to an eight out of their last hand and they did lose their most recent game so so a little bit of a surprise right now in the al west because the seattle mariners have now moved into fourth place at thirty one and thirty four seven games out of first and six and a half out or six games out of the wildcard there. Three and seven out of their last ten. They've lost two straight And one of those being to cleveland the angels though they have moved into third place in the division. Just a game under five hundred. They're thirty one and thirty. Two six games back out of the out of first place and five games back out of the wild card. They are seven three out of their last hand in of won four straight and fortunately for them they're playing arizona who has not been good and they're losers of eight neuro right now so good thing for for the angels right here to kind of get a couple of good wins against a team. That is struggling and you yourself been struggling. You lost trout for probably the entire year. And you have shohei otani in weaver that really offensive pieces but making up ground. Now it's a lot easier to make up ground now in hold that ground then it is to be down there be back ten or fifteen games and then try and make that up in the last third of the season. It's better to be six games back now and kind of slowly edge your way up the up the ways to wear your your six your six games back now and then in a month you're four games back and then after that you're after august your two games back and then all of the sudden your two games back out of first place going into the really going into the final month of the season and then anything can happen if you're under if you're less than five games batted first place but houston their thirty six and twenty seven. They're a game back out of first place and they hold that second wildcard spot. They're also seven and three out of their last ten winners of their last one and they did get a good good series against boston just a few. We are just just last week. Oakland there in first place they are thirty eight and twenty seven a game ahead of houston like i said there are also seven and three out of their last ten and they're playing kansas city right now now going out. Stick it in the west going out to the nfl west arizona. They're twenty and forty four twenty games back out of i in sixteen and a half out of the wildcard bad news. Fair zone is that they have the worst record in baseball. And they're in the toughest division in baseball as well. They are one and nine out of their last ten and have lost eight games in a row. They're minus seventy two In terms of run differential. They have a really they have a couple of good pieces and guys like kettle morte but they should probably just cut bait and just really try and restart. because they're five games behind colorado who was projected to be one of the worst teams in baseball history like like they were projected to just not be anything granted right now. They have trevor stories. Still and john gray and any time. You have two guys like that. That can go out you. Probably you have a very good chance at winning you e wing that day when you have those guys you also have charlie blackmon like you have those guys you have a really good shot at winning a game when when you're aces on the mound but even with that they're twenty five and thirty nine games out of first and eleven and a half out of wildcard. They're five and five out of their last ten. They did lose tune row. They are minus fifty five and run differential. they're playing cincinnati right now. Cincinnati really could use a couple of big wins against colorado here in fortunately enough for cincinnati. There actually at home but seattle or san diego is up next their thirty seven in twenty eight they are three and a half out of first and that is because they are three and seven out of their last ten and losers of three straight playing the mets right now and the mets last night they degrom left last night But it but it was. It was a heck of a game. I was actually actually got to see some of the game last night. graham was just filthy and he allowed. He'll he got his fifth. Rbi of the season. He's only allowed four runs all year. Which is just astonishing and blake. Snell just wasn't up to the task last night Seattle ended up losing to the mets last night. But the dodgers they ended up picking up game on as did san francisco the they both ended up. Picking up a game on san diego though. The dodgers thirty eight and twenty five game and a half out of i and two games up on the next wildcard spot. Which would which is san diego. They're seven and three out of their last ten in winters of four straight like. I said earlier there plus one hundred in french. Category scored three hundred and thirty eight runs this year. Only given up two hundred and thirty eight. That is a very very impressive ratio but doesn't always tell the whole store whereas you have teams like you have teams like oakland who is in first place their thirty eight twenty seven but they're only plus nine in run differential whereas you know the the dodgers their thirty eight and twenty five so there are about a game better but they have a run differential. That is ninety. One runs better than Than in the as so. It really doesn't tell us that much really just kind of give us an idea on where teams are in terms of where where they really need to improve and if it's more runs given up than runs scored than they need to probably and they have a decent run scored then they definitely need to improve on their their pitching staff and in a certain aspect if it were the dodgers and they were you know they'd given up or given up three hundred runs this year but they've scored three hundred and thirty eight it. You would say all right. Well let's look at. Who have starters all right. Well these guys really good and their er is really low. they're not giving up many runs. That means that the issue is then both pitching but you look at that bullpen. pitching in. You're like oh man what's going on here there yet. Given up very many run earned runs either. And then you happen to look at you know certain defensive players. Oh this guy is. These guys are destroying us defensive. Lean is really the reason that we're winning games. We're losing games or something like that. Something that is really how we can use review runs given up versus runs scored. If you just don't have a lot of runs score that means your team's not hitting well which means one of two things you need to get a couple of guys in there that are going to hit well or you need to make a change with your hitting coach like that's pretty much it since. San san francisco is in first place though. They are thirty nine. Twenty three a game and a half up on the dodgers. They're seven and three out of their last ten and they're playing in a series against washington right now going out to the east flipping coast right here. Washington they're twenty five and thirty four max. Scherzer left after twelve pitches the other day. Eight eight games back out. I nine out of the wildcard. They're four and six out of their last ten. It's not looking good if you're a washington national fan miami. They're in fourth place right now. They're twenty eight and thirty five seven games back out of first place in eight games out of the wild card. They have really really good pitching staff but they just lose a lot of close ballgame. If you're playing. Miami's going to be a close ballgame. They're not gonna score many runs but they're not gonna give up many either and that's how you can tell like based on based on the roar in runs scored versus runs giving up is they are going. It looks like they're gonna lose more like they're losing more than winning even though the run differential is positive there plus six and run differential but they are five their minus six in terms of how far away from five hundred. They are the and so when they win. They win by multiple runs but when they lose the only lose by one run in. And so miami's always going to have a chance. It looks like this season to win a game so you can't count them out at all but atlanta they're in third place twenty nine and thirty two five games back at a i in six games back out of the wild card. So we're gonna take a short break here And then we're gonna pick this up at the end of today's episode with after after some. Ken griffey junior talk. And we'll be right back with some. Ken griffey junior coming up right now. This is your ultimate stop for everything. Sports the golden state media concepts lords podcasts. Should i say more from the nfl. Mlb the nba to mma. All in here. The golden state media concept's sports podcast. Listen this what's going on everybody. Welcome back into another segment of today's episode of the gs. Mcc baseball podcast. I'm patrick kenny. And in this segment. We're gonna be talking about one of the greatest players in my favorite player that i've ever gotten to see in person ever ever and So that is ken griffey junior. The kate junior one of the greatest baseball players of all time played twenty two years in the bigs. He spent most of his career between seattle and cincinnati and he also had a very very short stint with the chicago white sox and he is also a thirteen time all star one of the and probably should have been a a unanimous selection to the hall of fame but up until that point in time with the hall of fame. A lot of those writers. Were still really stingy. With the fact that some people have gotten in with like some people like babe. Ruth have never got been didn't get in with a a perfect one hundred percent not that didn't change its money on. Rivera became the very first and the only still member of the member of the an ob hall of fame that is a unanimous selection and he received just one vote or a couple of votes out of being the the first ever he. He was elected at at the time. The record breaking a number was ninety. Nine point three two which she said that broke tom. Sabres record of ninety eight point eight four percent saying they should yao into the hall of fame But griffey was a great player and a lifetime. Batting average of two eighty four had just three thousand hits for his career. Six hundred thirty home runs and over eighteen hundred. Rbi is as a player. She was such a fun player to watch. One of my favorite movies is like watch little bigly. Iran is in the the biggest reason for that is because ken griffey junior Is is actually in the movie. He makes us sick. Play up against the wall like running on the wall. The end the end the game for for the twins. And i just i love that movie so much bring in. Griffey is a huge part of that. And i mean but for his playing career he he was a a total beast and he said some very lucrative deals with international promise like with nike nintendo and a properly reflected it was reflected well upon is credited by some with helping restore a baseball's image after the nineteen eighty-four labor dispute. Griffey is one of only twenty nine players in major league baseball to in in hit in the history of major league baseball to played in four different decades calendar decades which is awesome key played in the started his career in nineteen ninety nine hundred eighty nine for the seattle mariners playing professionally but he admitted in minor league from nineteen eighty seven. So we're gonna talk about his early life for a little bit and then we're gonna get into his professional career. So this man ken. Griffey junior was born in dornoch end nora pennsylvania on november twenty first nineteen sixty nine. He shares his birthday with another native hall of famer. Stan musial muzio is really cool. The fact that he and Just another awesome guy like other stud in all time. Great are from the same town like what kind of odds are that. But his family moved to cincinnati ohio where his dad and ken griffey senior was playing for the reds and when griffey was six years old he junior was in the clubhouse during his father's backed baggage championships in nineteen ninety. Five in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred seventy five nineteen seventy six as child senior or junior senior would instill the confidence in his sons pride of team accomplishments rather than individual performance quote. My dad would have bought me on the head when i was a kid. If i home bragging about what. I did on the field. He only wanted to know what the team did and quote. You've attended archbishop moeller high school in cincinnati the same high school as future team. Barry larkin where he was the united states high school baseball player of the year. Nineteen eighty-seven griffey. hit four. seventy eight with seventeen home runs in two seasons of high school. Baseball gravy also played football as a wide receiver receiving colleges or receiving offers to play college. Football for programs like michigan and oklahoma in professional baseball e started in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven and was also like played through one thousand nine hundred eighty nine hundred eighty eight in the minor leagues review was the number one overall selection by the mariners during the major league. Baseball amateur draft held on june. Second nineteen eighty-seven you received a signing bonus of one hundred sixty thousand dollars from the mariners on june eleventh nineteen eighty-seven griffey join the bellingham mariners of north west league class a shortened season minor league which is basically the very first level of professional baseball. You made his professional debut. On june sixteenth in one thousand nine hundred seven during the fifty four game season he at three thirty thirteen. He led the team with home. Runs with fourteen and forty. Rbi's and thirteen stolen bases baseball. American magazine named him. The leaks number one major league prospect in nineteen ninety nine hundred eighty eight and griffey joined the san bernardino spirit. The of the class a advanced california league during fifty eight games with spirit griffey batted three eight three thirty eight hundred. Eleven home runs drove in forty two runs and stole thirty. Two bases late. In the season griffey was promoted to vermont. Mariners of the class aa league eastern league and he played seventeen. The final seventeen games. The club hitting chew said me. Nine with ten home runs ten. Rbi's excuse no home runs in then in nineteen eighty nine. He made his major league debut with the seattle mariners in his eleven seasons with the mariners from eighty nine through ninety nine in his. First eleven seasons i should say with the mariners. His first stint griffey established himself as one of the most prolific and exciting players of the air racking up seventeen hundred and fifty two hits. Three hundred and ninety eight home runs eleven hundred and fifty two. Rbi's one hundred and sixty seven stolen bases led the league he led the american league in home runs in four seasons with nineteen ninety. Four one thousand nine hundred seven nine hundred ninety eight one thousand nine hundred nine us for the american league. Mvp in one thousand nine hundred seven maintaining eight to ninety seven career batting average in his first major at bat he did double so Just based on the we'll just go over how how these these teams like work it structure wise so There is two different types of class. A ball there is class a rookie ball. Which is a very shortened season And it's mostly about trying to get to see if guys are going to be able to make a jump And some guys don't perform well and then they are resigned to play again in that or sometimes they're just cut then. There is a lot like in a traditionally length season for regular class. A ball which is where griffey would were would end up going after his stint with shortened season. Then it goes from that in rookie ball that first single a to double aid and then that's where most of the prospects like the best prospects are playing is in aa. And they have they have really good you know child the top prospects in the organization And then triple a. Is where guys kind of go to Like a lotta guys go straight from aa chew aaa mid a lot but the top top prospects go straight from aa to the bigs because if you could they're saying if you can hit and you can hit everywhere or and also i mean the same is good for Like class able because a lot of those guys have really nasty stuff but they can't control it so if you can hit even though they don't even know where the ball's gonna go. That just proves that you can hit off somebody who does know what he's doing and i mean that's that's a really common that's really common Like euphemism phrase in this in this career early in this career field but is defensive. Career was widely considered elite fielding practice during his decade exemplified by streak of ten straight gold gloves from one thousand nine hundred and nine hundred ninety nine. His impressive range allied with frequent spectacular diving plays in his dow often dazzled fans with over the shoulder basket catches and robbing opposing hitters of home runs by leaping up and pulling them back into the field of play. He was featured on the wheaties cereal box and had his own signature sneaker line from nike on april third nineteen eighty nine. He made his very first major league baseball appearance. Griffey hit a line drive double off. Oakland a's pitcher. Dave stewart at the oakland coliseum. One week later in his first at bat in the kingdom griffey hit his first major league. Home run review was a frequent participant. The all star games praying all star during the one thousand nine hundred. Ninety s led the to multiple times in different hitting categories in one thousand nine thousand nine hundred ninety one griffey. His father became the first father son to play on the same team at the same time. And since his father's first game as mariner on august thirtieth nineteen ninety the pair of back to back hitting singles in the first inning and both scored on september fourteenth appear. Hit back to back home. Runs in the top of the first against the california angels pitcher kirk nicastro becoming the first father-son duo to hit back to back home runs in. Mlb history the do of later. Total fifty games together before griffey senior retired in one thousand nine hundred one at the major league baseball home run derby nineteen ninety-three which was held at oriole park in baltimore. Griffey hit the warehouse beyond right field wall which on the fly and is still the only player to ever do. So as with every homerun that hit the hits utah street and each homerun. There is honored with a a a certain plaque. That is That is embedded horizontally onto the concourse walkway in the exact spot. Where the home run landed in one thousand nine hundred four. He led league voting for all star candidates in selection that season which ended prematurely on august twelfth due to labor disputes. Saw griffey hit thirty home. Runs and the mariners for sixty five games he would go on to have four multi home run games that you're the while his pace cooled somewhat during the final eight weeks of the season only at ten home runs in the mariners last forty seven games but his first forty home runs by august. Which would put him to ahead of. Chicago's frank thomas. F four ahead of cleveland's albert belle for the american league lead one of the most memorable moments of griffey's career with the mariners came during the nineteen ninety-five american league. Division series against the new york yankees. After losing the first two games the marriages griffey were on the verge of elimination but came back to win the next two game setting up a decisive fifth game and the bottom of the eleventh inning of game. Five with griffey on first base he may edgar martinez had a double griffey round. The basis slid into home with the winning run and pots of waiting into the waiting arms of his entire team. The one thousand nine hundred. Five american league division series would kick off brief a brief rivalry between the yankees and mariners and griffey may have escalated it by saying he would never ever play for the yankees because the the yankees allegedly treated his father. Ken griffey junior so badly. Also when griffey was a kid by also when griffey was a kid by visiting his dad. In the yankee clubhouse yankee manager billy martin would believing that children did not belong in the clubhouse would kick him out of there. Although the mariners subsequently lost the lcs to indians managed by later manager of the mariners. Mike hargrove that moment still remains one of the most memorable in mariners history capping season that quote unquote save baseball in seattle and quote and So if you're unaware of that. I really recommend you guys going and checking out the The the secret base They did a entire entire like ten hour piece on the history of the seattle mariners and it is fantastic. And i really recommend that you guys go and watch it a little bit. Just you can get to understand how that season did save baseball in seattle because seattle was definitely leaving. If they didn't get a new stadium built end because of griffey and that t and that seattle team they ended up making a huge huge like they ended up being just one of the best teams that had ever played baseball. And jill legitimately say baseball in that city and because of the just improbable late-season playoff run that year. Which was really spurred by. Griffey's return from led to the construction of safeco field and the future. Security of a franchise rumored for years to be on the move. That play also inspired the video game of ken. Griffey juniors winning run for the super any s and ninety seven griffey lead the mariners to the al west crown captured the american league most valuable player hitting three or four with fifty six home runs in one hundred and forty seven. Rbi is that next season in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight was the season by which was followed closely by the national media as griffey and mark mcguire entered the entered the summer ahead of the pace of roger maris's homerun record of sixty one despite griffey falling short major league baseball put forth an effort to draw a net of a new set of young fans in regain those disenchanted by the ninety four strike focused on the mcgwire sosa in griffey's pursuit of maris's record griffey however fell out of the spotlight. Do some nagging injuries much surpassed by chicago cubs slugger. Sammy sosa finished. The season with sixty six home runs himself. Falling short of maguire's then record seventy despite falling out of the record chase griffey nearly duplicated his nineteen ninety-seven statistics finished with fifty. Six home runs one hundred and forty-six. Rbi's an ninety nine one thousand nine hundred nine. He ranked ninety third on the sporting news. List of one hundred greatest baseball players this list was compiled during the one. Ninety eight season counting only statistics through nineteen ninety-seven at at the age of twenty nine. Going on thirty. He was the youngest player on the list. That same year. Griffey was elected to the major league. Baseball's all century team however when tia t s n. The sporting news updated their list. They're further new book in two thousand five having surpassed four hundred and five hundred home runs give free remained at number ninety. three or playing with seattle. Griffey was a ten time league gold glover in nineteen ninety two all star game. Mvp in one thousand nine hundred seven american league mvp in one thousand nine hundred eighty espn es py co-winner for male athlete of the year in the one thousand nine hundred nine players choice award or players choice award player of the decade by the players and was named to the all century team but he did have a dispatch departure from seattle. He would ultimately return later in his career but not before few cents with a couple of different teams griffey formerly lived in the neighborhood in orlando as golfer payne stewart after stewart's death in a plane crash on october twenty fifth nine hundred ninety nine griffey started expressing the desire to live closer to his relatives in his hometown of cincinnati. Not only did griffey wanted live closer. We also wanted to be able to raise kids trey and taryn. Tevin was not born time on september tenth. Two thousand griffey was traded to the reds for pitcher brett. Tomko outfielder mike. Cameron and minor leaguers antonio perez. Jake myers griffey signed a nine year. One hundred twelve point. Five million dollar contract after reds are trade was complete with a club option for a tenth earlier. That season gra vetoed a trade to the new york mets for rodgers darna octave octavio. The now the tano and relief pitcher. Dennis cook or a mondo benitez. You're vs agent. Brian goldberg said afterwards that griffey would only accept the trade to the reds and quote if he can't go to cincinnati then he's going back to seattle for final year of his contract but the cincinnati reds from two thousand to two thousand eight and two thousand griffey also changes number from twenty four to thirty. He wars father's number will playing in both cincinnati and seattle the year. The number twenty four was already retired in honor of tony perez. The two thousand season began. What has generally been seen by the media. As the decline of in. Ken griffey junior superstar status although his stats respectable they were far. Below is previous level of play and one hundred and forty five games griffey just to seventy one with forty home runs but his nine forty three on base. Plus slugging was the lowest mark in five years. Additionally from two thousand one to two thousand and four griffey played was plagued by stream injuries including a season ending injuries. In two thousand to two thousand and three in two thousand four were she at griffey for griffey. The of effects of injuries lowered his bat speed resulting in less power and fewer home runs. He slept only four twenty six before succumbing to injury in two thousand two But his lowest output seven years in injuries forced griffey to miss two hundred and sixty at a two hundred and forty six games from two thousand and two thousand two thousand four Diminishing both his skills as a player and star reputation in two thousand and four griffey avoided major injury during the first half of the season in on june twentieth was became the twentieth player to five hundred career. Home runs is five hundred home. Run mark came on father's day in a game against the saint. Louis cardinals busch stadium. With his father in the stands. The homers tied griffey with his father's career hits with two hundred with two thousand one hundred forty three however. The injury bug began to bite again. Just before the all-star break he suffered a partial hamstring tear nagging him out of the all star game and putting him on the disabled list. Yet again grief. You finish the oh four season on the disabled list after suffering a ruptured his right hamstring in san francisco. The play in the play in question occurred. At and t. stadium in a game against the san francisco. Giants griffey was starting in right field for the first time and he's sixteen year major league career when he raised toward the gap to try and cut off a ball before it got down to the wall. He slid as he got to the ball. But the process of hyper extending his right leg tearing his hamstring completely off the bone he later came out of the game complaining of tightness on in his hamstring exhibited exacerbated by a chilly conditions in san francisco however there was far more to it than anyone realized at the time. Shortly after his injury reds team physician timothy cram checked devised an experimental surgery w the junior operation. The that would use three titanium screws reattaching griffey's hamstring for several weeks. Griffey's right leg was kept in slaying that kept at nine. That kept it at a ninety degree angle. He was not able to move the leg until october late october. After intense rehabilitation period he returned for the two thousand and five season in april. He had to forty four with one homer on april thirtieth and nine. Rbi so we're to take a short break right here and then finish this in a second segment with the remainder of ken. Griffey juniors career tired of searching the vast jumble of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here nothing less than podcast bliss with endless hours of podcast covered from news sports music fashion cooking entertainment fantasy football and so much more so stop blurted around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guarantee to fill that podcast. Whatever it may be visit a sad. Www dot mc podcast dot com. Follow us on. Facebook and twitter download on itunes soundcloud and google play is and welcome back into this segment and part two of ken. Griffey juniors playing career important moments just who he was as a player kinda thing. So what can back to part two of that in this segment of the gmc podcast baseball. Podcast i'm your host. Patrick kenny soap. Starting off where we left out. Are we starting off where we left off. We're in two thousand and five. So that is a little bit after he has. He's about halfway through his tenure now in cincinnati and starting on may first two thousand five. We saw the resurgence of healthy. Ken griffey junior. He hit thirty. Five home runs that year. His highest since his first year with the reds and griffey slowly moved up the career home. Run list he ended the season tied with mickey mantle. After having passed jamie jamie foxx ted williams willie mccovey ernie banks eddie. Mad us mel. An eddie murray early september. He strained his tendon in aleppo in his left foot and unrelated injury to his past hamstring and calf problems and was listed as day-to-day for several weeks on september. Twenty second with the reds out of playoff contention. The team decided to bench him for the rest of the season so that he could immediately have arthur arthur skopje surgery on his left knee in a separate in a separate operation to repair scars from two thousand and four hamstring operation. Still after his two on one hundred twenty eight games in two thousand and five were the most he'd played since two thousand griffey's resurgence was recognized where he was named the national league player. Your comeback player of the year he played in the world baseball classic for the american team. That offseason with his father's the coach griffey batted five twenty four but the usa failed to reach the semifinals. During the the second game of the thousand six regular season griffey hit home run five thirty seven surpassing mickey mantle for twelfth. All time list. He returned may eleventh from knee injury after sir after suffering one on april twelfth and hit a walk off three run home run in the bottom of the eleventh inning against the washington nationals on june fifth griffey tied fred mcgriff record for hitting a home run in his forty third different ballpark at saint. Louis cardinals busch on june nineteenth griffey hit a career career. Run at five. Forty eight tying him with mike schmidt then six days later pass schmidt with five forty nine on june twenty-seventh he hit five. Hundred and fifty is five hundred and fiftieth career. Home run against the kansas city royals on september twenty fifth. Two thousand and six griffey hit his twenty seventh home run of the season against the chicago cubs pitch relief. Pitcher scott ir to tie reggie jackson for tenth all time on the home run list. Griffey's injuries continued in two thousand six offseason however while on holiday in the bahamas with his family he broke his wrist. Griffey said his fan. His hand felt finding the expected to be ready to go for the two thousand seven spring training and anger. This is about the time where i really started paying attention to baseball. And my dad would be explained to me who griffey was and how important he was to baseball. And and just how important was to ham which is a big reason as to why i am such a big fan of griffey today and growing up in central ohio. There was a thing If you were in the league there was a a program at the high school was involved in that. If you complete the program you got an opportunity to go onto the field in need some players and i remember dusty baker and i met joey votto and you know we walked around the field and i think i might griffey to And got some handshakes from some of the guys and they everybody. Who's there was super really. Just awesome super. Nice brandon phillips. I remember it was it was. It was an awesome experience. That i got to do and and and i think that's why a such a love for the the terrible late dots red steam stat. Were that were just not very very good. But at the beginning in two thousand seven season. Where we're you know taking off right here. Griffey was moved to right field and reds manager. Jerry narron said that quote. I've got to do everything. I can to put our best club out there. My feeling that with ryan friel out there gives us a strong defense up. The middle griffey changed his number from thirty two three two honors three children. During the next two seasons griffey would wear the number forty two on april fifteenth. Beginning the tradition known as jackie robinson day. That's really really cool. That he kind of started that. And that's actually something that i didn't know before. I was researching this and it's because of him wearing that in a couple of other like things that i could probably get into another segment That that griffey is the reason i bet. Jackie robinson day is thing and and that's i mean he's he's just a puts him an even higher on my list of my favorite athletes of all time but on may tenth two thousand and seven griffey hit six home his six home run of the season for five hundred sixty ninth of his career tying rafael romero for ninth place on the career home. Run list you pass. Paul marilyn may thirteenth in griffey tied harmon killebrew for eighth on the all time list. With five hundred and seventy third home run on may twenty second then surpassing him on may twenty fifth on june twenty second. Two thousand seven griffey made his first return to seattle after trade to the reds before the game. The mariners honored him with a fifteen minute presentation which include a highlight reel of his playing career with the mariners. A presentation of the house that griffey built and quote that the house that griffey bill in quotes memorial by the mariners hall of famers and former teammates j burner and edgar martinez. A four minute standing ovation from a sold out crowd graffiti. Expect such a welcome or such a welcome or a turn out by the fans when he came back and a short but emotional speech was given by griffey afterwards. Many of the fans in attendance made signs professing their gratitude and admiration for him or toward him with quotes such as the house that griffey bill seattle junior griffey. We miss you. And griffey went one for five in the game and griffey his five hundred and eighty third and five hundred eighty four. Th career home runs tying surpassing mark maguire for seventh on the all time career. Home run list. During that series following the cincinnati reds versus seattle mariners series from june twenty second to twenty four th two thousand seven a fan movement emerged petitioning manage mar mariners management to get griffey. Back over one thousand nine hundred signatures were collected on a fan vid slash blog petition. Griffey received the most votes of any player in the national league for the two thousand seven all star ballot and and on july tenth and july. Ten game he went on to drive in two runs for the national league on july sixteenth. Two thousand seven griffey hit his five hundred eighty seven homerun to pass frank robinson for six all on the home run list on july eighteenth. Two thousand seven griffey hit his two hundred fiftieth or two to twenty five hundred hit of an a single of atlanta braves. Starting pitcher smoltz great versus great for a very very important accomplishment and a player's career On september nineteenth two thousand seven in a game against chicago cubs griffey fielded a derek. Low single or dared leasing. Looks use me to right. Field then suddenly went down and pain. The injury i thought to be a lower abdominal strain was later revealed to be season ending groin. Strain this marked. One of the many seasons in cincinnati were griffey had to end the year on the disabled list. Griffey ended the two thousand seven season with five hundred ninety. Three career home runs on august. Twenty second two thousand seven griffey was selected as an all time rawlings gold glove winner on a list of nine players considered to be the greatest defensive players in the last fifty years. He finished the season with seventy eight runs. One hundred forty six hits twenty four doubles one triple. Thirty home runs and ninety three. Rbi's and eight to seventy seven batting average. Which is i mean. That's awesome and the fact that he was so close like in two thousand. Eight to getting to that magical. Six hundred number is kind of. It's kind of sad that he played the entire year that you're so healthy and then just fell short in really a freak accident kind of thing on april four two thousand eight though ken. Griffey junior past reggie jackson for on the all-time list after de driving in his one thousand seven hundred and second. Rbi on june ninth. Griffey hit his six hundred career home. Run on a three one pitch from mark hendrickson of the florida. Marlins in the first inning of land shark stadium in miami fans gave him both. The fans of both teams gave him a standing ovation. That was actually when david samson And it was pretty recently. The the The anniversary of that day griffey six hundred home home. Run and land shark stadium in miami. That was just one of the many stadiums given to what is now known as hardrock. Stadium the miami dolphins field and it has has been a there. There've been a lot of names for for that stadium. It's also been known as pro player. Park dolphins stadium bland. Sharks stadium And then that was before the marlins would move to my air. Chew their new stadium. That was recently up until recently Called marlins park and they recently got a naming deal with alone depot and art. It is now alone depot stadium in miami. But i do. I do remember seeing a couple of days ago. the the the Tweet from david samson saying that he remembers that night like it's yesterday or the day they like it was yesterday and it's one of his favorite baseball moments that he's ever been a part of and he was part of an organization that world series and he was a part of baseball for over twenty years. So that is something that is very important in somebody who's in baseball for that long and And this is one of his more memorable moments. That is something that really should stand out. But griffey was criticized by some of by some for his efforts during his stint with the reds. Greg doyle had to say this over. The year of the years griffey was named or was with the reds in comparison to the two thousand and ten reds team. It's a different reds team than older beer bellied softball teams of recent years those reds. Were ken griffey junior. And adam dunn lounging around clubhouse and leather couches hitting home runs. Miss playing balls in the outfield thinking. They had it all figured out when they knew how to all they knew how to do is lose and quote on july thirty first. Two thousand eight. The mlb trade deadline refuse traded at the chicago. White sox in exchange for pitcher nick mess. Set an out an infielder. Danny richard ending his nine year tenure with cincinnati in his first game with the white sox he went two for three with two. Rbi's a walk and run on august twentieth. Two thousand eight griffey his first home run as a member of the white socks off of mariners are a dickey which moved him into its high with former outfielder. Sammy sosa for fifth place in career. Home runs he surpass on september. Twenty third with one of minnesota's off of minnesota's matt guerrier griffey's signature moment with with the white sox came on september thirtieth in the last game of the two thousand eight season. He hit an extra one hundred sixty in an extra one hundred sixty three game between the white sox and minnesota twins to break a tie atop the central in fifth in the fifth inning of scoreless game twins threatened with michael carter cutter on third and one out twins. Right third baseman brandon harris flied out softly to griffey and center feel who then threw a straight to white catcher. A j present ski. Who tagged out cutter at home plate in a home plate collision to complete the double play in the thread. The white sox went on to win the game. One to nothing in advance. The two thousand eight american league division series where they would fall to the tampa bay. Rays on october thirtieth. Two thousand eight. The white sox decline these sixteen million dollar option griffey making him a free agent. For the first time in his career griffey would instead receive a buyout of four million dollars split between the reds and the white sox if eighteen home runs with the reds and white sox two thousand eight and one thousand eight season ended. He wouldn't retire. Saying i've got things to do. Turn to the marlins in two thousand nine hundred thousand ten. As a free agent griffey was courted. By the marlins and the atlanta braves. The national media was dubious about griffey's ability to contribute meaningful to meaningfully with the washington post noting. The mariners are not about to sign griffey for baseball reasons. They're bringing him back to seattle to sell tickets. Griffey alternately accepted the contract with the mariners on on february eighteenth two thousand nine after an agonizing after agonizing over his decision griffey in in indicated that he was motivated by sentimental reasons toward seattle when he received a overwhelming positive reception when he last played there a cincinnati red in june of two thousand seven but was inclined toward the braves for its proximity to home in atlanta florida in orlando florida. Excuse me anti desire to be with his family. During the season apparently griffey was very close to signing with the braves however a premature report emerged from the atlanta journal constitution saying that atlanta deal was done in a conversation with willie mays and own thirteen year. Old daughter played a factor in this choice. Griffey once again sported the number twenty four with the mariners. The team had not issued the number eighty player or coach in the nine years. Since between his two cents in seattle griffey would go one for two with a home run in his regular season debut against the minnesota twins. The home run was griffey's eighth opening day homerun run and as of two thousand thirteen. He is tied for frank with frank. Robinson and adam dunn for first place in this category on april fifteenth. Two thousand and nine griffey hit his four hundredth career home run as mariner with six hundred and thirteenth of his career off los angeles angels pitcher jared weaver becoming the first major league player to four hundred home runs. With one club the mar- the mariners and two hundred with another club. The reds ap stated the griffey returned to the mariners in two thousand and nine with almost a sink singlehandedly transformed. What had been a fractured bickering clubhouse with his leadership energy in constant pranks and then in two thousand nine at safeco field. In fact. June twenty third at safeco field griffey hit the five thousandth homerun in franchise history off san pitcher chad. Garlan garden sees me. The this was griffey. Six hundred nineteen th career. Home run on september. First griffey hit career home. Runs six twenty one at the new yankee stadium off andy pettitte of the yankees in the sixth inning. Mark the forty four different ballpark in which he had homered on august twelfth two thousand and nine against his former team. The chicago white sox he an rbi single in the bottom the fourteenth inning to win the game one did nothing for the mariners returned to the clubhouse for the two thousand and ten campaign with a similar contract to that of two thousand nine but struggled offensively for the first two months of the season posting a one eighty four batting average. On april. twenty-seventh griffey past. Andre dawson for forty fifth on the career hit list on may twenty two thousand and ten in a game against the toronto blue jays. Griffey hit an rbi. Single off of blue jays. Closer kevin gregg to win the game. Four three four the mariners after starting the ninth inning trailing three two one. The mariners rallied in the bottom and the night close to load the bases on two singles. A walk then tie the game the a walk and a sacrifice fly the walk off single and was the final. Hit an rbi of griffey's major league career and have moved impasse rafael palmeiro to fourteenth on the all time list. Inmates may two thousand and tan mariners manager. Doug wakamatsu may a decision to significantly limit. Griffey's playing time due to his ongoing poor performance on may tenth two thousand and ten beat writer. Larry lower the ru reported that walker. Matsu had not used griffey in a pinch hitting situation the prior week with two players stating that lineup. That griffey had been asleep. National media quickly covered the incident. Doug that nap gate in the ensuing days teammate. Mike we challenged anyone who said griffey was asleep quote. Stand up and fight me end quote with denying griffey. Griffey had been asleep however griffey did not deny it. Griffey's agent started stated lures initial report had been posted in error and that laura had asked his employers to remove it which they both refused in the aftermath of this report was report was boycotted by players on june second. Two thousand and ten. The clubhouse was still in turmoil. Griffey left the mariners. After the second game of a four game series against the minnesota twins leaving in the middle of the night for a cross country drive to his home in florida. He released a statement through his organization announcing his retirement effective immediately mariners president marriage president chuck armstrong was only made aware of this by griffey's agent a few hours before game time. The next day griffey then called from the road to confirm it. His retirement was announced at safeco field before the the mariners played the twins in an interview on march seventeenth. Two thousand eleven griffey stated that he had retired to avoid being a distraction to the team and that was that was him. That was him as a player he ends a he ends as one of the best players in baseball history. He is a flam. Flam trappist Doing several years supporting several causes including the boys and girls scouts of america several children's hospitals across the united states and is an honorary chairman co chairman of the ao p a foundation hat in ring society a charitable organization that promotes aviation safety education He's made a couple of episodes of like as himself in some film and television series but he also did have a suicide attempt at the age of eighteen. And because of that i will be putting the number and website description of the suicide hotline And if you are having any any issues with that. 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Update the hottest matches at news on the league's top players. It's the golden state media concept soccer. Podcasts long listen. Nah is this a and welcome back everybody to gmc baseball podcast This this last segment is a continuation of our standing update from the first segment. And we're also going to be going over some stats. So i kind of ken. Griffey one in pre recorded. It and i wasn't sure how is going to set this this this episode up just yet like up until that up until I finished that first segment and then I was like oh well. I have a lot more. I need to talk about in In in his last segment Still with some stuff going back to the first segment so just to recap. We went over all of the american league and then we went through the nl west and we were going through the east and we'll kind of go over it again briefly. The nationals are twenty five and thirty four eight games back at a first nine games back out of wildcard. they just lost sherzer Just just the other day. The only through twelve pitches before you're getting taken out of the game and then miami we were talking about. We just finished talking about miami. Miami's twenty eight and thirty five seven games back out of the wildcard eight games or excuse me out of first place in eight games out of the wildcard therefore in six as well but they're winners of two in a row they are plus six which is the only other team aside from the first place mets in run differential. But they're also they're also seven games behind are under five hundred. Which basically means is that. They're losing games by very short margins but when they're winning they're winning by a decent amount so they're they're losing by one run but they're winning by two and then they'll lose by sube win by three and and or lose a a general series In two games by a total of four runs but when one game by a total of four runs as well so evens out atlanta though. They're twenty nine and thirty two. They're five games out of first place in six games out of the wildcard losers of three in a row. And that's why they're not above five hundred right now but the good news for them is that they get to go down to miami and play a series against a sub five hundred team because atlanta so far against teams. That are above five hundred. They're twelve and fifteen. Which isn't that bad. Honestly it's not that bad but when you're when you're in a division that is this competitive when you're in third place in five games back out. I and this division you at the beginning of the year you could say well. Any one of these teams could win this division. You're thinking wow well we'll we should probably get a wildcard spot right like one two teams from the division. Well it would have probably gone something like that. Either the east or A a team in the al central because the central has a couple of good teams as well. But because of how. Good san francisco is this year which nobody saw coming it removes one team from either the central or the east pretty much at least right now because both teams in the al west could be division leaders in the other in any other division so it looks like right now that the winners of the east and al central are going to get home series against the you know the second third place division finishers in the nfl west. But it looks like it's only gonna be one team from each of these divisions and the and the braves are one of those teams. That i thought were probably going to. They compete for the division title. Is here and it's not saying that they're not they're only five games out from first in their kind of hidden at skid right now but they they're they're run differential right now is minus two. Which means they're not really their pitching staff which has been subpar as kind of being propped up by their offense which has been you know i. It has been par at least a little bit better. And that's kind of why they're struggling right now is that they haven't been scoring as many runs as they need to be philadelphia though there in second place in the east there. Thirty and thirty one. Four games back at first and five out of the wildcard. They're five and five out of their last ten winners of two straight but their minus thirteen and run differential. They are in a series against the new york yankees who fortunately for them happened to be struggling As of late four and six out of their last ten and they did lose their most recent game. Philly is seeming the in the going in the opposite direction which is very good especially considering. They're in a home series against an american league opponent. Which means that pitchers like garrett cole are going to have to hit wouldn't they're not really used to doing that well garrett cole might be a little bit more used to doing it. But he's been in the american league for a while now since he's since he left the pirates and so he might get a couple of hits but generally speaking anytime. You're nationally team playing an american league team at home. You have a home field advantage whereas it's not necessarily that case when you're an american league team facing a national league team when you're an american league team facing nationally team at home you have you still have to deal with a d. h. Which means nine guys that are that can that can hit the ball very well versus eight guys. That can hit the ball very well. And unless you're either. Jacob degrom or madison bumgarner. You really don't have much to worry about as the opposing. Pitcher is stepping into the box. Kind of a thing. But the mets are in first. Philly is four games back. That means the mets or four games up on the phillies for first place there. Thirty one and twenty four. They're six and four out of their last ten and our plus eighteen in run differential. They've only played fifty five games whereas the phillies they played sixty one games so the mets are while there. They are kind of making up these games over time. It's taking a yo and because of that you have. Even though the mets or seven games over five hundred they only have their only thirty one and twenty four whereas you know the other teams that are leading these divisions are either at forty wins or nearing forty wins in the american league in the central in the al central there at thirty six wins and the and the a west. They're nearing forty wins. That that's why it's because they haven't been able to make up these these These these games just yet but in the nfl central the cubs are leading the division. But they're also tied with another team. We're gonna talk about that in a second but pittsburgh they're twenty three and thirty nine they're twelve and a half out of i and the wildcard spot. They are thirty three and seven out of their last ten in losers of five in a row. They're minus eighty four in run if in terms of run differential. And they're in a series against milwaukee who's been red hot as of late cincinnati. There are thirty and thirty one. Five games back out of first and that second wildcard spot because of And saint louis now is then thirty two and thirty one just a game front of cincinnati for both for both spots cincinnati though they're seven and three out of their last ten and they won their most recent game. They're playing colorado right now. Which is very very good for them because they're kind of hot. Colorado is is one of the lesser teams. I would say they're probably in the lesser third tier if you were to rank the teams by tier like playoff to your teams like close teams and then like nine playoff teams or not. Non-competitive teams are competitive. Is isn't fair word to say there but it is something that is pretty beneficial for For for a team like cincinnati. Play that team that. Cincinnati should probably easily win this series. Saint louis though there are thirty two and thirty one and they are four games back out of first. But they have hit a major skid as of late there they're one two games out of their last ten and because of that they're also minds twenty four in terms of run differential now and since that leaves just two teams and i already said the cubs are leading the division one and the other team is milwaukee milwaukee and the cubs tied for first place and the second person is tied for the wild card spot or at least right now. They're both tied for first place or the wildcard the cubs are. They're both thirty six and twenty seven. The cubs are sixty four at ten on a three game winning streak whereas milwaukee is eighty two out of their last ten. But they're on a two game winning streak. Chicago is in a series at home against saint louis right now in milwaukee's at home against this series against pittsburgh so the cubs definitely drawn the short straw. There where they have to play team in saint louis who is very very capable and And just kind of struggling as of as of their last ten games or so but milwaukee's also kind of in a good spot here because they all they're playing a team that is three and seven out of their last ten so just a game better than saint louis but there are by far a a lesser team in saint louis and they're losers of five zero so there streaking a little bit harder than than saint louis and that's gonna do it for the Standings updates and things like that so we'll talk for a few minutes about some status updates so our league leader right now. In terms of opie s number five shohei ohtani played fifty eight game so far two hundred ten at bats a nine sixty one opie s number four ronald a kunia. Junior played in fifty eight games as well. Two hundred ten bats as well. He is hitting a nine hundred ninety. Six opie s number three is a couple of cincinnati reds. In two and three jesse winker is in the third spot. He's played in fifty five games had two hundred and sixteen at bats. He has an opioid of ten forty. Five nicholas kosta. Janos is in second with a ten sixty five opie s and then vladimir guerrero junior cannibals. Everybody else out of the water right now with an eleven twenty three opie s that is ridiculously high or league leader in batting average number. Five adam frazier hitting three thirty one right now through. Sixty two games played urugary yells in fourth place through fifty eight games play. He has a three thirty three batting average vladimir guerrero juniors in third place right now for the league wide batting average title right now is hitting three thirty three and then couple of reds at the top jesse winker hitting three forty three nicholas casinos hitting three sixty four for the corner outfielders for the reds men. They have hit a the they have found. Found some diamonds rate here to say the least in terms of guys that can hit the baseball. They both have on base percentages right now over four hundred I mean they're they're among the top five and four in on base percentage batting average opie s. And slugging like. It's it's pretty crazy there. And they pretty much rank to in three the the entire time except for on base percentage where nicholas castanos ranks to and jesse winker ranks fourth like. They're these guys are having such a great season. It's ridiculous like it's it's it's it's really fun to watch though it's really fun to keep up with. These guys. are league leader right now in walks that is number five carlos santana of the kansas city. Royals has forty-three walks. Jandi the first baseman for tampa. Bay's forty four. Max muncie in third place. Forty six joey gallo in second with forty seven in yeahs. Money rand paul. The catcher for the white sox has forty nine or league leader in rb is so far no tied for second. I'll just go with six place. Trae mancini with forty seven and then austin meadows rafael. Denver's hayes use at. You're brave you. All four of those guys are tied for second with forty six. Rbi so far and the vladimir guerrero junior way ahead of kind of everybody with fifty two rbi so far this season our league leader in home runs tied for six places salvador perez match haniger and all these garcia they have sixteen home runs tied for third for netanyahu. junior shohei otani and jesse winker. They all have seventeen in second place by himself. Is ronald kuni junior. He has eighteen home runs on the year and vladimir guerrero junior. Has the most home runs by any player. So far this season with twenty but the fact that shohei otani is doing this as a two way player makes that even more impressive Vladimir guerrero junior has fifty two. Rbi's on the year which is good enough for the league lead. And then jose abreu hayes rafael denver's and austin meadows are all tied for second with forty eight. Rbi's let's just shows you how good of a season that vladimir guerrero juniors really having this year. He's leading league almost every offensive category and the ones that he's not he's just behind the two corner outfielders for the reds but league leaders in strikeouts number. Five suara seventy six so far still hitting a buck. Sixty seven brendan low. Seventy seven strikeouts for the second basement from tampa bay a buck ninety eight batting average and third-place joey gallo eighty strikeout so far this year hitting two seven matt chapman for second place with eighty two strikeouts hitting to ten and then veer. Baya's eighty three strikeouts. So far on the year seven walks heating to thirty six so far this year now going over a little bit of pitching stats before we get out of here number. Five and era two. Oh two for trevor. Rogers of miami seven and three record. Thirteen game started brandon. Woodruff of milwaukee. One fifty two out of his thirteen game started a five hundred record for him in third place. Kevin guzman of san francisco a one forty three era in a seven one record. Lance lynn is in second place for the white sox. One twenty three era with a seven one record in the eleven games that he is started. And then jacob degrom in ten games he started as a six two record and eight point five six. Era giving up four runs so far this year. He has driven in five. That is ridiculous. He plays every fifth day on. Like that is ridiculous. And then going to strikeouts number five before yesterday We'll get even today number five. Mac shire's through thirteen starts has one more strikeout than trevor. Bauer and jacob degrom out of Bowers thirteen starts into grams. Ten boast bauer and degrom. Have one hundred and three strikeouts max. Scherzer one hundred and four zack wheeler in fourth place with one hundred and twelve of his thirteen starts garrett cole out of his thirteen year also has one hundred thirteen strikeouts tyler glass now in second place with one hundred and seventeen through his thirteen starts and then shane bieber in first place. Still a seven three record a to ninety six. Era one hundred and twenty two strikeouts for him so far this year are league leader in saves is number five josh hader from milwaukee a point seven three era fifteen of fifteen in its hands and saves tied for second now is liam hendriks. Craig kimbrel and alex raise. Ray is a three and two win. Loss record point nine. Era sixteen for sixteen at save opportunities. Craig kimbrel one and two for his white sox so far in terms of win loss a point six nine era in the twenty six games. He's played in he has a and eighteen sixteen or eighteen in terms of save opportunities. Liam hendriks for the white sox the other side of chicago on the south side. Here's a three one record a two thirty. Era and the twenty nine appearances that he's made he is sixteen of nineteen save opportunities and then mark melanchon of san. Diego hasn't wanna no record point. Six six era at twenty six games played is twenty one of twenty or excuse me twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty one out of save opportunity so far this year just a little update on kenley jansen in all chapman they're also up there janssen one seven five two record arado shabina one ninety six. We're getting sheldon. His last outing. Twenty four appearances for chapman. Twenty five for jansen. A fourteen out of sixteen record or save opportunities for johnson and chapman twelve or fourteen. And that's gonna do it here for the gmc podcast. You guys so much for listening. I'm patrick kenny If you guys like this episode please offer. Forget to rate subscribe review. You can find us on facebook or twitter just look. Gmc baseball on either. You should be able to find this and if not come back here you You should be able to find it On our twitter or on in the description they should be links to both the twitter account and the facebook account as well as our website. 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Encore: Pitch Perfect

Endless Thread

23:10 min | 2 years ago

Encore: Pitch Perfect

"Endless thread is supported by. Indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions and then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. Hey, it's Ben. Yes. It appears as though you are about to listen to an endless thread episode. It's going to be amazing. But I'm here to let you know that technically we are on break right now. Don't worry. We're working on some really exciting stuff. If you're just finding us for the first time, take a spin through our back catalogue. We've got tons of episodes on lots of different topics just waiting for your golden years to hear if you're a frigging genius. And you've already been our goods have no fear. We will also be dropping stuff in the feed. In the meantime to keep you warm and don't worry. Would it be back soon? Produced by the island at you are Boston. Sewing bed about about about. Oh, hey, then see there because this is a podcast. It's our old friend amorous Iverson. And I know I know were in the endless thread JAMES BOND villain layer cooking up some new podcast episodes Benz got a welder mask on on pouring beakers into other beakers small explosions are happening. We're getting there. You're going to hear all this stuff in like a month. But in the meantime, replaying you some of the old hits the home runs if you will or you catch and what I'm pitching. Yes. We're listening back to our old baseball episode from last year to celebrate the start of the new season. So while you await our return like Red Sox and cracker. Jack's here's one of our classics. What's up snoops Iverson? Hey, ben. What was that? It's the response you deserve. Do you know I'm calling. You snicks Iverson? For my rapping skills. No, definitely not. You've never heard them. All right. So snoops Iverson is the snoop Dogg style nickname. I made up for you snoop has a lot of nicknames. It turns out Snoop Doggy Dogg. We now that one you've also got big snoop Dogg. That's with four jeeze because it ain't nothing a g thing babe. Snoop lion. I know that one. Yeah. The rest of far nickname uncle snoop snoop Zillah DJ, snoop Delic dogfather. Okay. This is the part where you have to tell me where this is going. Okay. Okay. I'm telling you this because snoop has about as many nicknames as he does side gigs in different sports. Really? Yeah. I'm prove it to you with a Reddit thread, you ready? I'm ready. Okay. All right. We got bask- basketball. Did he just shoot a three pointer drain two three? Okay. All right. I'm impressed. Okay. Football. He's catching a pass of some sort not bad, right hockey. Snoop on us. Cricket snoop playing cricket. Okay. Come on. It's pretty good. All right. Here's here's the last one baseball snoop. Just went over the fence to catch a ball in some sort of baseball game. And we ended on baseball because we're going to talk about baseball today. He plays softball. Right. If you'd come to one of my games, then you would know man. Well, you got a new season about to start. So I'll come okay good. Are you a pitcher? I am the pitcher man. Okay. I think you're gonna like this episode because we're about to talk about a pitch. Okay. You get a pitch me. This story. Right over home plate. Well, it's a little bit of a curve ball. But I'm looking for the strike zone. I'm in the zone, man. Okay. I'll be the judge of that. Okay. What should we call this one going with pitch perfect? I'll take it. I'm Ben Johnson. And this is endless thread a show featuring stories found in the best ecosystem of online communities called the reds. Okay. For our first story. We've got our producer brother-in-arms Josh Schwartz in here. Josh tell us about Randy Johnson. So Randy Johnson was one of the best pitchers of all time hall of Famer. Okay. And he had this iconic. Look thick mustache grimy mullet. He was really tall six foot ten inches tall. And this led to one of my personal favorite athlete nicknames of all time the big unit. He kind of reminds me of a grumpy Viking like his look is like a dour Viking definitely some kind of liking completely agree and the most famous moment of his career probably happened in two thousand one, but it's not the type of hall of fame moment, you'd expect. It's March twenty fourth during a meaningless spring training game. And he winds up to throw a pitch. Oh, no guys. I actually know where this is. So the big unit winds up to throw one of his wicked fast balls, and I want you guys to watch the video of what happens next. Okay. Randy Johnson winds up for pitch. I have watched this video so many times many many many times. Okay. The pitch does not make it to home plate seemingly just turns into an exploded. Poof, like a pillow exploding here, something a poof of feathers. You can almost hear the sound of the impact. Basically what you guys are saying is Randy Johnson exploded a freaking bird mourning mourning dove to be specific what happens next. Well, it's basically chaos a giants player walks over and picks up the dead bird and shows it off to everyone one of the groundskeepers runs out and tries to sweep the feathers up with his broom, which was a bad idea, and he ends up picking up the feathers by hand and the rule at a do over. So basically, it's scrubbed from all the official records. So this is not the type of thing that the internet easily forgets. It's also been nearly the top post on Reddit like many times it was the seventeen year anniversary over last weekend. And it was almost on the front page. I think and there's a certain redder who did something famous with this video. Yep. He posted in the never tell me the odds community, which is where people post crazy things that you don't believe actually happened except there's video evidence of them happening. Okay. So lots of people were commenting on this and read it user, one one zero one zero one zero zero two aka Andrew cut window, this whole thing and decided to comment on it. I was really bored and nothing better to do. And I thought I should, you know, be a rebel and tell them the odds on the never tell me the odds suburb it see never tell me. The odds has one rule which is to never actually calculate the odds of these things happening. Okay. But this guy. Did calculate. The odds of that bird getting hit by Randy Johnson's pitch in that exact moment. Yes. Yes. He did. But this wasn't some basic math problem. He really committed to this. It's a simplified model involving the volume of birds in North America and the volume of pitches in North America. So the space that pitch takes versus the space of the Burj take-up. What is the probability that the birds and the pitch are in the same place at the same time, his, quote, unquote, simplified model also involves the radius of a baseball the land mass of the United States, the density of a typical morning dove Manby path a baseball takes after leaving a pitcher's hand until crossing the plate and together you can come up with a rough approximation of what the probability is. Okay. Josh, we are podcasters not mathematician. So I think we should just cheat and fast forward to the answer. I am right with you. Andrew did determine that. There was a point zero zero zero zero zero nine percent chance that Randy Johnson would hit a bird with any given pitch. That's five zero. If you're keeping track at home. I am and my incredibly nuanced in math expert translation is that. This is a really really really unlikely thing that happened. Yes. I mean, obviously. But the best part is that other nerdy. People actually responded to Andrews comment with suggestions about how to improve his calculations and they zeroed in on one particular detail about the location of mourning doves across the country in my model. I just assume them to be uniformly distributed across the US. And you know, there could be some biases for the bird being in more more places that are closer to the coast. And then also baseball stadiums. There's more people closer to the coast. So maybe it's more likely that there's a morning Govett. Maybe the probability is higher because of that. Or maybe there's a lot of food in a CD. So there's more likely morning does their Inder is actually kind of famous on. This particular sub read it for posting odds of all sorts of things. Right. And almost getting. Band, which is the thing that can happen. If you break the one cardinal rule of never tell me the odds, like a, you know one day one day, no commenting loud van for day. That's the correct terminology. So he's like a red outlaw roaming never tell me the odds and stirring up trouble wherever he goes has he ever been officially banned. He says he's only been banned once for calculating that. He had a zero to seventy percent chance of not getting band. Of course, he did that sounds about right for read it. But did Randy Johnson get banned from baseball for murdering a bird? Oh, it wasn't murder. Come on accident bird slurred slaughter least. He did not he retired after a long twenty two season career. And now he's a professional photographer, but he was never really able to escape his unintentional bird assassination because check out the logo for his photo company. Bird dead bird on its back with feathers floating up above it in his defense. And I think the Mambi has said this Randy Johnson is reportedly a conservationist. So I think he was kind of sad about this too. Okay. I'm gonna wipe this bird slaughter from my brain. Okay. Baseball related shower thoughts. Then oh, let's do some shower thoughts. These thoughts that you have in the shower that they can be kind of existential usually they're just kind of quirky and funny. Do you wanna do one? Definitely, okay. Baseball is really the only sport where the goal is to hit the spectators with the bowl. That's pretty good. This one is thanks to baseball. I'm allowed to F up twice before. I actually get in trouble three strikes. I like good. Okay. I love this one. The Los Angeles angels baseball team is directly translated as the angels angels. True. Okay. I have another one that's kind of kind of like that. Here. We go. The minor league baseball team for the Milwaukee Brewers should be called the micro. Bruce. Knew for a fact that my dad was on Reddit. I would think this was all him shower thoughts fan. Okay. Let's crack a beer and take a break. Okay. Endless thread is supported by. Indeed. When it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help. 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You are is about how an act of kindness can completely transform someone's life. Honestly, believe is Morton, this is what I was supposed to do. Kind world. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. So before the break we heard about pitcher Randy Johnson exploding a bird with a pitch, which we are sad about in the morning of community is probably also sad about. But we've now got a pretty feel good story to counteract that exploded bird sadness. Do meet Steve I'm doing pretty good. How about you the Stevie James is he's known online lives in California. But he's from New Jersey Mets fan and the lifelong sports fan in general mostly because of his dad, we would go out every Saturday morning, and we'd go get hot chocolate and a bagel. And then we'd read the sports section and then we had either go play tennis basketball throw a football around or throw baseball around. And so it was Steve's dad Jim who took him to his first sporting event ever on August twenty second nineteen ninety eight a baseball game Seattle. Mariners versus the Chicago White Sox. He was a big deal for a couple of reasons. Number one. The game was in Seattle. Steve's family lived in New Jersey. My dad happened to he was going to be going on a business trip. So he asked me he said, I know you like hang Griffey junior. Do you wanna go to this game? Number two, Ken Griffey junior center fielder for the Mariners at the time. An MVP a ten time gold glove recipient hit a great personality. He could field. He could hit for contact. You could hit for power. He was just good at everything. And he was just a real likable guy for a kid of my age. Steve was just four years old at the time. But even at that tender age he already knew how to heckle like a true sports fan. So one of the fondest memories. I have of this is one of the guys on the Mariners. He was in the batting circle. And I made the comment that he looked like a girl not knowing that was not the right thing to say being a four year old kid and the guy turned around at my dad, we still to this day don't know which player it was. But my dad always claimed it was Alex Rodriguez. So I like. To think that's who it was. I remember my dad put me up on his shoulders, and if I'm not mistaken, I think I went to extra innings it did by the way the Mariners one five four in the eleventh inning the feeling of the crowd when the Mariners won that game. I think it was a walk off hit from the DHA Martinez was unforgettable. Steve has been thinking about that game. A lot recently a couple of months ago Steve got a package from his dad's sisters inside. There were some baseball memorabilia and pictures of Stephen his dad and the ticket stubs to that nineteen ninety eight Mariner's game his dad had held onto them all of these years. It was pretty cool made me pretty emotional. I don't get a motion that often. But but these were difficult circumstances. Steve's dad had died. A few months before it was relatively unexpected. I had been told he had five years left. It was early dementia. The early signs of dementia, and I guess the medications he had taken didn't mix in the way they were hoping that would probably a day or two before he had passed was the last time. I talked with him Steve posted a picture of the ticket stubs from that nineteen ninety eight Mariner's game on the baseball sub. Read the post hook off registers offered their condolences some shared their own family. Baseball stories it was cooled to hear other people's memories too. Because I in a weird way helped other people relive their memories with their fathers that may or may not have passed away a couple of days later, a comment popped up in the thread from Mariners official. Yep. The official read it account for the Seattle Mariners. It read our deepest condolences. How does another game in twenty eighteen sound maybe August twenty second versus the Astros August twenty second twenty eighteen twenty years to the day since Steve went to his very first game with his dad. We can't promise another Edgar Martinez walk off they wrote. But let's make it another win. I can't even describe the feeling that I had when they did that. I mean, I know he's going to be there watching with us when we go. My plan is to take my daughter if I can if she's feeling. Up for it. If she's not going to act up on the plane ride and stuff like that. So her first game can be at Seattle. Also. Steve's daughter is three months old his dad never met her. Steve never even told his dad that he and his girlfriend were expecting mostly because they were having complications. And they didn't want to get ahead of themselves. But his daughter is doing great. I think it would have been very emotional for me for him to have met my daughter. I wish he could have. I know he would have tried to teachers sports like he had taught me, and it would have been cool for us to try and teach together. I would just tell her. He was a special guy. He was there for me when I needed to talk with him was very. Important her dad taught him the right morals and to be a good sport. When he played sports. Hopefully, my daughter will get my dad's genes in the sports area. Bye. See my that. And my daughter pretty often like her facial expressions and stuff like that. And I'm hoping she has a love of baseball. Like, I do and my dad did honestly, I hope she could continue on that tradition with her children and their children's children. Steph's tickets for August. Twenty second are waiting for him. It's Safeco field. The Mariners will be waiting for him to they've invited him onto the field for batting practice before the game. It'll be as first time back in Seattle in twenty years. But you know, what is not coming with him to that game. Those nineteen ninety eight ticket stubs, I'm not the most safe person. What stuff so I don't want to possibly hurt them in some way or lose them or something like that. Fair enough. You know yourself. That's good. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Ben, I have one final shower thought for you. Okay. I'm ready. Okay. The options go big or go home mean the exact same thing in baseball. I like it. All right. Let's take it home. No, mourning doves were harmed in the making of this episode. Also today, we learned Randy Johnson is a conservationist. I don't know if that was just some spin from major league baseball after people got mad about everyone joking about the bird staff. But, hey, if any major sports organization should be able to put a spin on something get Emory, but it's thin something get back to the dead joke. Sub read it where you belong. Okay. Not a home run fair enough. I'll walk off. Endless thread is a production of WBU are Boston's NPR station in partnership with red it. Our shows a dream realized by Jessica helper who when we ask if she likes the episode we've put together she says W T iris Adler is our executive producer. And she makes sure our stories meet the bar of mildly. Interesting mix and sound design by John Perotti and Paul vicous who whenever we go to record in the field with them. They remind us shoes. Our web producer is Megan Kelly who looks at our attempts at writing web copy and goes or intern is Chris Julian who when we put them on a task, he politely says, we'll not fear our advisers, Michael pope, and we slack him. All the time to make sure he's not out of the loop. Or theme music is by squelch. This week's shower thoughts were from sorry. What guy orange goose net grow toxin nickel dime and dragon balk one hundred shout out to celebrity use lash. Here comes the king also known as Snoop Doggy Dogg also known as uncle snoop etcetera. This week's episode art is by Reddit user, Chris hardest. 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Churchill & Luke Arkins talk roster, Seager, Mallex, offseason

Baseball Things

1:25:29 hr | 2 years ago

Churchill & Luke Arkins talk roster, Seager, Mallex, offseason

"Yes. It's baseball things. Here's Jason a Churchill. Baseball things. Jayson Churchill Snowmageddon episode of the podcast with Seattle and surrounding areas. Having been pounded by snow since Friday, and they're certainly more to come here. If you're listening to this at home safe and warm, thank you for doing. So if you're listening to this on your way to work on Monday, or Tuesday, I suppose, please drive carefully. And if you are at work, congratulations for making it safely, and I hope he made it on time as well this episode, we're gonna change gears a little bit from all the prospect discussion that we've had over the last three days with pitchers and catchers reporting within hours, let's preview this this whole spring training and this upcoming twenty nineteen season. We'll do a full preview a little later right before the Tokyo trip, but it's a preview spring training. Kind of see with the Mariners are at at this point. I figured we'd go up and down the roster and talk about some of the position groups and to help us do that Luke Arkan's agreed to come on and keep me from going absolutely insane. Luke, thanks for the time. How's this no been treaty over there in the north Seattle as we it is pretty bad over here? Of course, as you know, there's so many hills around here shoreline and everywhere else. And I think that's the toughest part. You know, I tell my friends back east. And of course, they're laughing at me because it's so cold back there. But you know, they don't have to do with hills. And they have more snow removal gear in the in the cities there than I do here. So it's quite interesting. Yeah, we're not prepared for it. Even though we knew it was coming were never actually prepared for it. And this is a town in, you know, this originally from her longtime longtime now certainly long enough to know that if it's nose an inch this town this whole entire area kind of freaks out like schools close or their late. I mean, it's, you know, we're we're babies when it comes to snow, this might change things. This is pretty ridiculous because as we record this on Sunday night the forecast in just about every area in Seattle or surrounding Seattle within thirty. Miles is going to be blasted with anywhere from two inches to another foot depending on where you're at. So if you're out there, please stay safe in the snow. Besides all the snow, Luke, what the hell is new with you. I think podcast listener seven heard from you in a bid, and that's entirely my fault, not yours. But what's new in Luke Arkan's world, these days not much just kind of look at Fota baseball season. You know? Of course, I'm teamed up with you over hero sports. Also, if I was working with them when we talk last it's been quite a while. Like, you said nothing really new kind of looking forward to going down to spring training next month and an actually watching baseball. I'm working on a bunch of recaps of the off season for each. AL west team and just doing that kind of gets me a little excited ready to go and watch people play baseball. How much do you miss the games themselves over the winter because I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't really start missing the games until right about now. Like, right. When the kind of like, you can smell the grass kind of thing that conversation is starting now because spring training opens this week. Do you miss the games in November December or are? You like me, and you know, you don't really miss that entirely until it gets closer to volunteer. Probably right now. Like, I say starting to think about who's going to be on each team and actually playing games really soon. I mean, you know, by the end of the season, you know, I'm a little baseball doubt. I mean, I watched a lot of a lot of games not just the Mariners. And so nobody ended the World Series. That know I'm ready for a little break. Football is over. And it's time to get the baseball. I think the big thing for me is the the free agent signings. The this year the free agent freeze. The all the moves all the trades. Really keeps me going, and I like that excites me. So when the seasons winding down, I'm like, all right? This is going to be good. Like, I'm actually even though I don't want the Mariners season to end. I'm still there's still something in front of me to look for that gets me to to January and February. So all right. Let's let's dive into this. I thought it'd be fun and perhaps information entertaining useful to go through each position group and kind of discuss what's possible. What's most likely things like that? Both in terms of who makes the roster to start the season. But also, maybe even looking ahead, and what what is going to go into some of the decisions that's got service and his staff and Jerry DiPoto and his staff have to make Lucas star with the pitching staff that rotation. I mostly because it's the easy one. This is by far the easiest one because. Correct me where I'm wrong or were you were you disagree barring injury or trade. It's going to be Mike league Felix Hernandez, use ak- way the blog and Marco Gonzales in the starring rotation huge heavy favorites. And there really isn't a whole lot whole lot of reason to believe otherwise. Yeah, I agree. You know, unless somebody gets injured, I don't think anybody could have such bad spring training that they won't make it out of fall out of the rotation e Felix I think they're all going to be there on opening day unless somebody gets banged up in the you're right there. I don't know how long they'll last together. But. Yeah. It's a pretty solid group at least start to season. Now. The possibility for injury is always there and the possibility for trade with Jerry Koto at the helm is obviously always there. I don't think we're gonna see Felix Hernandez trait. I don't think we're gonna see Marco Gonzalez trade, and certainly not gonna see you say Kukuchi trade. But I think it's fair to say that two of the five Mike leak and way the block it's possible. They make a deal before the start of the season where it's possible that they make a deal before the start of the season. Stateside, at least I think they're going to be squeezed, by the way, do you kind of have a feeling that the fact that they're opening earlier and they're starting the season officially earlier with that trip to Tokyo might change the timing of how they make some of these decisions. I'm actually expecting them to go to Japan play those two games against the as comeback and make more decisions that are entirely different from when they took guys to Tokyo, and I'm not just talking about each or I think even for the pitching staff, it could look different on the way to Tokyo than it does comparatively to when they opened the season against the Red Sox. Yeah. That's certainly possible. And you never know who might get injured. You know? I mean, somebody gets hurt over there or. Doesn't they're not ready. Eat some bad sushi. I think this is probably the choose to not use Felix over there needs more time. That's true. I personally think if one of the two guys I wouldn't be surprised if Mike leake odd move before the season started. I mean, if you figure he's making about what eleven million now when you when you assume what the factor with the cards are with the cardinals pan while he's had two years left on his contract. I mean. He hasn't. He is good or or certainly a more reliable than Matt Harvey who's making eleven million dollars for angels this year for sure absolute. So obviously the angels are hoping for upside there with with Matt Harvey. But there have to be teams out there in their absolutely our teams out there that are looking for some stability some reliability and there. Oh tation. I I'm wondering if you know the the mic leaks situation because his name was thrown around a lot in in November and December in minute died down. I wonder if a lot of that die down as a trickle down effect from the fact that guys like Dallas kaikal and GIO Gonzalez and guys like that are still on the market. It's not just Manny Machado in Bryce Harper. That haven't signed. There are several other guys to a lot of a lot of middle tier prospects and low to middle tier or excuse me free agents and low to middle tier free agents are still out there. And I imagine that could be holding up the mic the mic leaks and areo to maybe Seattle. Maybe. Does want to trade him? But the market's just not really there because clubs like the Padres. And the cubs are kind of hoping for one of these free agents. So yeah, I think you're right. He'd probably is the most likely what do you think about the idea through this out in a previous episode or maybe mentioned on Twitter, if the Mariners really like what a relentless or more likely and Eric Swanson, or they grab somebody that they don't currently have a contract between now and the time they have to make the decision of them doing what they did with way the Blunk last year again this season starting in the bullpen opening up another spot in that rotation because that's really the only way guy like Eric Swanson starts year to bigly level in the rotation. At least is if there's a spot that that's open and the mayors are gonna have to create that if Mike leake isn't traded. I guess Wade. The block to the bullpen is the thing because Jerry said on local radio what a week two weeks ago. That Felix is not going to the bullpen. Right. And I think you certainly need somebody to backup Felix and. We also, well, we I think I think we see eye to eye on him. And that is a good chance that his some Zada is going to be Shortland others. And we know that puts a strain on the bullpen. And then also Kukuchi is going to need to be spotted. Also, he's he's only going to come out. And I forget that. I think exactly how to put it. But he's essentially just going to come out and throw an inning, and that's going to be it for him. And when the case you're gonna need somebody to come in and eat inning, salience or Wade LeBlanc or Swanson. Yeah. I mean, that's that's certainly a possibility. I think that at least early in the year they carried the the extra reliever as well. In remember five ten years ago? The extra reliever was the seventh guy. And now it's the guy because I actually think they're going to carry it relievers quite a bit early. Very much for the reason you were just talking about it. You know? A hate the Felix Hernandez situation because Felix Hernandez icon here. Great pitcher. Probably not a hall of Famer or certainly not an automatic first. Ballot. Kind of no doubt or hall of Famer at this point. But he had that kind of a peak and he's just fallen off such a cliff. It's it's a it's a sore subject. And I really don't like talking about it. It's really sad that it's legitimate to say Felix Hernandez needs a backup. Maybe that's way, the bunks roller Eric's wants, ROY, right? That's a really interesting way to look at at how they might put together the rotation based on what they need after Felix Hernandez, and you say Kukuchi in his short starts leaves the game. Really interesting take there. I think the one area where Jerry would like to. In the future in the near future. Like maybe during the twenty nineteen season just before the twenty nineteen season or put it at the very top of his list. I think Jerry DiPoto understands that neither Marco Gonsalez or you say Kukuchi are going to go toe-to-toe with Garrett Cole and Justin Verlander and Corey kluber and guys like that on a regular basis. And as he builds this team, you're gonna wanna guy like that. And I just think as you look around, and I'm not I'm not suggesting he's going to trade, you know, five of the prospects. He just acquired this off try to get Jacob degrom. I'm just saying I think that's probably the position that's at the top of Jerry's like wishlist so to speak. As he moves forward with the rebuild. It does that make sense am I making sense there because I think he likes kind of what he's building around the infield. Maybe JP Crawford future shortstop. I think you know, maybe shed long future second basement, and they'll the worry about first base. If it's not Evan white at a later date. Obviously they're going to have to go out to go on and get a long-term catcher. But I think you know, he's got some pieces in the outfield and Haniger, and maybe even to bingo Santana, and maybe one of one or two of the prospects come up, but I think the one area where he knows he's going to need something bigger is that starting rotation. The in the reason, I'm bringing this up is because maybe I'm insane here because I kind of think he wants to go get Garrett Cole or Jacob degrom or just invert Linter. And I think he kind of has a plan to try to go out and get somebody like that over the next two years. Jerry does not stupid. He's a former major league pitcher. He understood he watches the postseason understands. How big pitching is not just relief pitching these days. But that's starting pitching still extremely important in my out there a little bit on this lucre. My my actually making sense. Well, it makes sense. But what we don't know is what is he think Kukuchi and Justice Sheffield does he view them as the guy that's going to our guys that are gonna top his rotation or not. Yeah. We have our opinion on it. But what what does he think, you know, what what are they thinking internally? The Sheffield question is legitimate. But I think we've already heard multiple times DiPoto hint or actually even say that Kukuchi more of a two or three and that they kind of expect that kind of performance out of Kukuchi. And if he was twenty one twenty two twenty three years old like Shaya Tani was a year ago, and he came to the states, and he came to major league baseball, you might think. Okay. He can work as way into kind of that ace role, but Sheffield is is legit though. And there is at least an outside chance at Sheffield becomes one of those. I just feel like if if there's a. Potential payroll splurge for Jerry DiPoto is going to be for for one of those pitchers really interesting to to follow on that. So I'm looking at the list really quick in the starting for starting pitching Lucan. I don't see anybody on that NRA list that that even really has a shot to mean there's a little different for the bullpen. Maybe. But that's not a real impressive non-roster inviting list when it comes to starting pitching. They really the only guy to me that stands out as max Posey, and he's got a long way to go. They just fade them. So the clear spot clear spot on the forty man roster, and he's really been stagnant. For the last couple of years. Do you see on that list starting pitching wise for twenty nineteen that? The kind of pops out as a guy who could be an emergency guy. Or if there wasn't injury to to Felix or away the blocker two guys for that matter that could really step in and start some games early kind of save the Mariners wall, I don't notice a the mayor's or sable, but I you know, saving them from throwing seven relief pitchers on back toback days. They give him somebody to go out there and give them for violating what Tommy Malone is anymore or some guy like that. I mean, if you just looking for a guy to come up for you know, a start or two. Yeah, you're right. There really isn't much there. It really is. You have the five guys. And then you have Swanson and Sheffield, and then that's a really big drop after that in depending on what you think of Rowena silly. How you doing? The guy, but on the non-roster inviting list, I just don't see really anything Tommy Malone's, the only guy on that list that that pops at all. And he's he's really more of a reliever at this talk about him in doing you start talking about the bullpen. So barring some other moves that have been made. We're probably looking at the group that we just seven or eight guys that that we just talked about do you expect depending on obviously, depending on the injuries and trades. But if if we're to assume that the five projected guys start the year, and that none of them have significant injuries. And none of them are traded. How big of a drop if any are you thinking the Mariners rotation gives them this season because I'm not sure it's going to be huge. I think it is either. Although I pretty skeptical with they're all going to stay healthy and not gonna get traded. But. I don't you know. I mean, I think you can expect the same or better for Marco. I don't know how much how much higher he can go. But you know, and then you cookie he hits me as a guy that wants to prove that he should be here. And that's a good thing in LeBlanc and leak will probably be what they are which you know. Is okay. And felix. Of course is the big question Mark there. So the the rotation. I don't see it as you know, being terrible. But there's just like I said this lack of depth. And when you think, you know, just like, you say you look at these names here. And so we have the five names, we mentioned you mentioned Sheffield Swanson and then Malone, and then if you throw max Posey, and even rob Waylon in there. That's ten names. I mean, we know they're gonna use ten more intense starters. So there's definitely need some help here. And who knows maybe they go out and get wait. Wade LeBlanc like they did a couple years ago when? What was that about three years ago when they got him in the middle of the season? Maybe they'll find a guy like that. But I don't think I don't think though that that part of their plan is Justice Sheffield going to get started big level this year, whether that's June, July or August. He's going to get starts at the big league level. So there's a there's a another guy to throw into the sheriff fire going to be worthy of starts kind of the thing. We know is are they going to even think about ruinously as a starter at this point because it kind of made the transition with him to the bullpen last year. And it started a work a little bit. So I thought it was kind of interesting. They kept him instead of. Trading him or or non tendering him, but not making a lot of money. So I think kind of like what they have there. So. You know, if they do go out, and they make a deal or somebody gets hurt or somebody needs to be bombed or it's one of those games work. Aku cheese. Only throw, you know, fifteen or twenty pitches. Maybe Sheffield's the guy that that helps them fill that gap. And they're certainly going to have to have a plan for that. Anyway. Because if he's throwing the ball, well, and he's healthy. You wanna get his feet wet a little more than Ke's did a year ago. All right. Let's let's move on to the bullpen a little bit. And we touched on it in the rotation conversation. There about how the how guys are used and certainly at our performance, but how they're used and what the Mariners plan is for them, certainly impacts. Who the mayors are gonna pull north with them when they first when they go far east to to Japan for the Tokyo trip. But particularly when the season starts, I wouldn't be surprised by the way, if they took. On additional arm with them in those two games too. Japan that won't necessarily be on the roster when the season starts, and they might even leave a player to off. Like, what's the point? Like if Marco Gonzalez is gonna start that game and Kukuchi is going to start the second game. What's the point of Mike leake being active like going on the trip? I get but what's the point of being active? He's not gonna pitch in those two games. So they could essentially. Leave those guys off the roster. They could put Mike Lee on the on the injured list on March sixteenth with a plan to activate them on March twenty eight days before the the regular regular season actually starts really interesting to see how it's going to be nippy. Wait the roster. They certainly don't need to go to Tokyo as if they're opening the regular season the regular way. But when when we talk about the bull in the program needs some long, they're going to need that that Felix backup. But I'm assuming healthy hunter Strickland makes the club. I'm assuming healthy. And ready. Anthony swore Zach is there to to pitch at the back of the game. We talked about Nick Rumbelow, and guys that are out of options may have some sort of advantage and Rumbelows one of those here Jerry DiPoto talk quite highly of Corey Gearan. I think he probably has a leg up heading into spring training. At least I think, Sean Armstrong. He's healthy is a shoo-in. I think he's one of their better middle options. And he came up toward the end of last year, some Sam to evil. Allies is not gonna be available until June or July. I think it is chasing Bradford, Dan Alta villa? You mentioned before a live here. I think the lefty Zach Roscoe, he's really interesting. I think the one guy though that really nobody's talking about at this point. So let's do that is Ruben these the kid the Mariners picked up twenty seven years old. Thirty percent k raid in triple eight Tampa last year the mirrors picked him up this off season. I think he's really really interesting. But again, I go back to the NRA list. And I really don't see you whole lot other than maybe Tommy Malone as a lefty add the bullpen. Are you expecting any any surprises in that bullpen considering what the Mariners have under control at this particular point? No, unless there's injuries, and and you noted there's quite a few guys that have no options remaining Armstrong, Rosskop Rumbelow and Elliot's. And so you know, there either. Making the team. There's a there's a chance they're not with the team. I would think for instance, alias might have some value. Maybe one of these guys since starts the season on DL. Yeah. You're right about Alon. Is he hasn't pitched in the majors yet? Right. But he has been oppressive in the in the minors, and I would suspect he'd he's definitely going to see some action this year. The other thing is to consider would be who can go multi innings chasing Bradford. I know has done that Elliott has done that that geared is done that those those that's going to be important to especially with all the things. We've already talked about about questions about Felix. And. Just the fact that early in the season you may not want to go as deep with guys as you will later in the season. I think I think Bologne has a shot if the Mariners want to take another lefty with them, although Rosca probably has a little bit of an advantage there being a little younger and already being on the roster, of course. But again, injuries things of that nature. Tommy Malone could be inching he's always been tough against lefties, including a year ago. When lefthanded batters went five for twenty eight off of him with just one walk one of their interesting. Non roster invitees is now Bill crease Matt up to ninety three with sixty changeup used to be in the Mets organization. He's twenty four years old. He's really interesting. Keep an eye on him. I don't think he's gonna make the club out of spring training. But he's a guy that could stay in the organization Tacoma and be useful at some point dishes to keep an eye on him. I didn't really know a lot about him until the mayor's tossed him a non roster deal. This this winter. Yeah. I think the bullpen just like any year is going to be fluid. It's just like when you think back to about a year ago, we had such a better idea who was going to make the club out of the bullpen, and they had their anchor. It was wanted to Costco. It was let's hope Dan Alta villa takes a step forward. And then he ended up not being healthy. But we had a really good idea of four or five in the names. And right now, I think I'm only sure about two of them, you know, as long as they're healthy hunter Strickland at the stores are going to be in the bullpen the other ones. I'm not really all that. Sure. Luke. I think this is pretty crazy. And I think the same goes for the rotation. I think he as we sit here and early mid February just about I would imagine more arms or actually added to the mix after camp opens in that the the options for Scott service and company actually expand rather than the other way around. So. Yeah. I mean, it's worth Zach Strickland. And just throw a bunch of question marks kind of you know, I guess that's kind of where we are. It's truly a throw spaghetti on the wall and see what sticks. Yeah. And and also I think what you're going to see a lot of these guys stay perform. Well, there's a chance they won't be here in August. You know, Strickland source for sure and. I think they're all going to get a chance, you know, every mentioned it's probably chance this year because of innings in spring training teams do and they do get spread around quite a bit. So we're going to see guys we're even going to see. Kevin aero, Jackie Anderson. David MacKay guys like that. Also, get get innings. We mentioned max pov- lefty Matt to new at a pretty good year in in AA and even made his AAA debut a year ago twenty five year old twenty six year old hander. He's interesting. You know to keep an eye on for the spring in case there are injuries to particularly left-handers. But yeah, I I really think that the most surprising thing, I think at this point Luke for me with the bullpen would be if they didn't make additions to it between now, and you know, the middle of March, I suppose as they prep to go to Tokyo, I think, you know, it's just a bunch of poems up and just kind of see what happens and hope to allow comes back healthy in the middle of the season. And hope the starters actually pitch pretty well. And the offense scores a lot of runs because. I don't have a lot of confidence in in the Bolton. Right. Although to be fair Jerry knows this. And if they're gonna lose games lose games because of the bullpen. And that's the one thing you have to fix going into twenty twenty. If you want to be competitive, that's probably the area you'd want to have to fix the most. And I my offer. No. And you know, honestly, this is a year to just enjoy baseball games. Like if if the Mariners were competing this far better chance that Felix doesn't make the starting rotation. But does it really matter? They're not they're not, you know, long as he can he's not a complete detriment to the team and let them get out there. Maybe he he can turn it around. You know, like you mentioned earlier he's been so iconic for this organization. He certainly deserves the opportunity to go out on a on a positive note. Instead of just you know, kind of kick to the curb. With the the bullpens. You know, it is what it is. You know, they're like you say it. It'd be much easier to fix that. You don't wanna have to fix the rotation in a year, you wanna compete, and I think they've done a nice job of at least billing some building blocks for that. In interesting. Let's talk a little bit about who those pitchers are going to be throwing to the catcher position the mirrors picked up Omar Vyas from the white socks over the winter. He's a bat. First catcher who struggles it some of the basic stuff with catching but calls a pretty decent. Game receives the ball. Pretty well. So you're not going to see Mike Zeno defense back there or anything even close to it. But Narvaez is probably going to get the majority of the time because he can hit as three straight years of believe it's three straight years in the big leagues of a relatively full season where he's posted at three sixty or better on base percentage. So look firm, you know, to hit two seventy two three hundred and get on base thirty five thirty six thirty seven percent of the time. And I do think there's more power there. So I think Narvaez is really interesting. I think the the question at the catcher position is is David freight is going to be the backup or and this is where the non-roster invitee list actually comes in handy. Luke is Jose low baton or Austin, Nola or Nina, Veras or. You know, Joe dicarlo going to surprise somebody or something along those? I don't believe Carol Karalis really an option at this point yet. But low batons probably got a legitimate shot and all his probably got a legitimate shot to challenge David freightage for that backup spot. I -gree he he couldn't hold onto it last year. They went with Chris Harman. They've actually brought Chris Herman to take place in you know, Fritos better catcher. But I guess, of course, then they had some Nino. So it wasn't as important, but if not Varas is going to get as is going to get the majority of the playtime, then maybe they're willing to live with freedus. But it wouldn't surprise me. If over Tom. Took the spot or somebody somebody else of that nature will will come into Blair low baton non-roster guy right now, the only two catchers on the forty min roster just the two. So if low baton stays in the organization, somehow, he's he's going to be have to be added to the forty man or somehow. Be cool would just being that that that minor league guy with no no forty man roster spot. I'm not really sure how plaza will that? Actually, isn't this the same with Austin Nola at this point those guys are getting to the point in their careers where Austin was twenty nine years old and low batons with thirty four. I think he is you know, they just want the best shot to get into the big leagues and make a little money and playing a winning team. So we'll see if those guys are able to to hang around. Joe dicarlo is interesting still a prospect twenty-five years old won't be twenty six till September making the transition from being third baseman. I wish they'd made that transition two years before and never really let them play third base. But you know, shows some promise, but still it's still a few years away. It's gonna be interesting to see how quickly they push him to AAA Tacoma because that's going to be real challenge for him to catch all those guys that not only throw ninety five but actually throw to other pitches that can command and kind of see how he reacts to to that probably starting the year in in. Aa, but he's gonna get some camp time and he's on the list. Yeah. I think you're right. It's probably going to be freight est. But I'm just interested to see what else do at that catcher spot particularly for Tacoma because shoot, you know, they find themselves, you know, what disorder Vyas get hurt, you know, who's coming up. You've got to have somebody who's not going to embarrass themselves. You just can't throw somebody to the wolves like that. So I imagine they try to keep guys like low baton and or Nola around in in Tripoli, if they they can't catch spot right now is just kind of boring. You know, look, I think almost like that the bullpen and the back end of the bullpen, especially it's a lot harder to do than the bullpen. But man as you look for your long-term catcher, which most teams are still doing at this point as you look for him. You just try to fill in the best. You can. And I think when you go what Jerry ended up doing saying, hey, if the bat, I guys the best we can do then then I guess we're going to do that and get some value out of out. Out of that position. Did that move surprise you by the way because Jerry such defense pitching guy? I once well rounded players once guys like play multiple positions, and and aren't really one dimensional to go out and acquire a catcher that that really is, you know, I don't want to say battle only because he manages by the plate. But to go get a guy like that. Was that surprising to do because I was actually surprised I like the deal like the player, but I was actually surprised at Jerry DiPoto made that move. I'm surprised, but perhaps they they believe that they can. Coach him up so to speak and may come a better defender, or at least help him get the most out of his visibilities, you know, along the line with the catcher position. It's you know, I was when you were talking I was thinking, well, they could look and see if you know, maybe there's players that are later in spring, you find a guy who's out of options or something like that you make it deal, but catches different. You know, you need to have the relationship with the pitchers and things like that. That's why kit pitchers catchers, reportedly, it's tough to add a catcher at the end of spring training and put them on the twenty five man roster compared to you know. First baseman or something like that. So, yeah, it's it's not a veteran a guy that's been around, and he's kind of gone through changing teams and having to learn guys that go through that a lot particularly the big level. That's a little different story. But if you had a young guy that doesn't have tons of experience. You're right. It's that was a little tough. There are free agent catchers out there guys that are probably worth a million or two million dollars guaranteed to come in and compete. But if you if you're gonna give guy two million dollars. You're going to bring in the Rene Rivera's of the world. And you're gonna guarantee them money. You're probably just guaranteeing the backup spot. And it sounds like that's just not something. They want to do at this point. Let's just let Narvaez start you know, four or five games week. We'll give freight as a couple of days to make sure we don't burn out Vyas and let Nevada's hit. And we'll just worry about the long-term effect a little bit later on. So totally get it. Totally get let's move onto to infielders. This is where the team gets really really interesting for me because I like what they did with the Tim Beckham move to make sure that GP Crawford is thrust into a a big league role until he's really ready to do it d Gordon's going to play second base. And apparently second base only shed long will start the year in the minors. Really interesting group there when you look at that infield list, the forty man roster infield list, what kinds of what types of things stand out for you as we had a little closer to twenty nineteen. Well, he'll eat seems like. The front runner to be the starting first baseman. But then you have Incan arsia on and you have Jay, Bruce and Daniel Volvo back, and and then you get into the whole D H thing, which I maybe you're gonna talk about later. But this there seems to be a log jam of redundant skills at first base not necessarily defense. I and some of the guys that are not defense. I really, you know, doing as well with the bat as they used to or maybe they never have. But yeah, I do like to Beckham move. I do like the idea of bringing a guy in. It's a great example of you have a guy JP Crawford who you think at least they think has a shot to be their future shortstop. So instead of just throwing them out there and let the kids play they're going to they're going to bring them along. We'll ever pace works best for him. Whether that is you know, half a season Tacoma, a whole season, or whatever they think is appropriate. And then you have a guy and Beckham who you can either keep or maybe flip them. He's not gonna bring a lot. But he may have some value. You know, as you go along. Gonna be interesting. If we project any mentioned, he'll he's probably the favourite to start at first base out agree with that. Although Encarnacion is going to be on the team you do the spot to to use for income housing. Which is really where he belongs anyway. But by the way, I made the joke on Twitter few weeks ago, you go to some sites. Looking up stats or something and incur nauseam still listed at third base? I just wanted to mention that really really funny. But I think you're right. I think he's probably the favourite and Dee Gordon at second. If we assume that Tim back the shortstop, so they don't need to rush. JP crawford. Obviously Kyle cigarette third base that could look a lot different. You know, come come August one. For example, if find a way to move d Gordon or they find a way to trade Kyle Seager or j p Crawford buses Wayne lineup or. They decided to something different at first base in trading. Ryan Healy and giving Daniel Vogel Bach more time. They're just kind of see what he has. And see if he can be part of the future. There's a lot of what to look for it. It's really fluid actually in the infield. And I think that's why the most interesting to me. Yeah. I mean, I'm I don't tend to leave. They can trade Seger. Although then again, I didn't think they could trade canal either. But they can trade them now without including a lot of cash Stiegler rebounds a little bit. I think the cash they would have to send along with them just starts to go down a little bit. So we'll see what happens. Yeah. I don't think they're going to trade him now. Because I don't think they're really interested in doing another Robbie can Okada deal where they split the Bill with somebody else because there's not a team out. That's gonna go. Yeah. We'll give you a couple of really good young players. If you split the Bill with us on Kyle Seager that that's not happening. Right. Right. And the difference to that it was actually hitting. Yeah. You know? You know, he was good last year. He was before he got hurt and suspended. He was really good after he got hurt and suspended. Yeah. There's there's no no issue there with Robbie those performances at this particular point, Kyle are really interesting. It's difficult to predict project or even really discussed the chances of a player having a bounceback year. But seniors not that old. You know, you look at his numbers, and they weren't very good in two thousand seventeen they were really bad in two thousand eighteen but he was really really good that three years before that. And if if you listen to the mic petrello the world, and and and study some of the data that's there with stack cast this shift isn't the only reason why Kyle Seager struggled. There are a lot of other things. He's not barreling it up as much. He's the eggs of Lhasa is pretty much the same. He's not barreling up as much not using the whole field. He's not using as much of the field even that he did two or three years ago. So it's not just the shift, and he's just kinda guy were I guess we're gonna have to wait and see if he can figure some things out and figure a way to to put up better numbers. I mean, it's unfortunate. But I do think he has a chance to do it. I mean, call me crazy thirty one years old. I mean, he's you know, he's not. He's not an William Cornell Sione, he's not some thirty seven forty year old guy who's trying to do something. He hasn't done in five years. It was just three seasons ago that he had one of the best seasons if not the best season of his career. Yeah. And I wrote about that. And you know, his barrels were weight down. He's one thing about the guy said he plays nearly every day. There's something to that. We listen to service talk. They've they've talked to him Seger about improving his flexibility, and they're certainly has to be something to the injuries. Now. How much the injuries have affected his play in? Who knows? You know? How how was he? I don't know. But it would seem to me that there was something definitely going on there. And. Yeah. I think at this point wouldn't twenty seventeen be good enough. If he did it twenty seventeen protection. I mean that would be two and a half to three win player. That's not so bad. Really good enough for what I guess would good enough. Get enough for the Mariners rebuilding year. Whatever seger. Does will be good enough? Right. I mean, I don't twenty six good enough for twenty twenty. What's good train? Get him traded, right? Well, perhaps at three win season or or better would be what it takes. He certainly is going to have to get on pace. At a better rate is on base percentage was terrible. And and you know, he's just like you say he's just got a barrel the ball better. And that the shifts are, you know, you looked when I wrote about it. There's plenty of guys that are shifted and shifted more and are still hitting the ball hard. They're still getting their hits and understand every players different. And they shift differently and depend on the player. But. Yeah. The it's the shift is the lazy analysis to why he's he's not doing it. He's going to have to he's going to have to. Just going to have to prove himself or else. He's he's just going to waste away here with the Mariners and really be no use to anybody which should set. 'cause like I say the guy plays every day. I think he plays hurt. And you know, there's some will try to keep them from doing that this year. Maybe one of those ideas will be hey, we're going to this kind of brings us to the player conversation. Maybe you know, instead of playing him seven days a week. He's gonna get days off, even when he doesn't want it. Whether that's Christner grown or Dylan more whoever handles that utility spot. Maybe at some point later in the year shed long get some time at third base. I think he's gonna play some third base down Tacoma in what kind of see what happens there. Maybe that's part of the plan for the mayor's Kyle Seager this year. It's like, look, you know, right out of the gate. Yeah. We're going to probably gonna play the for Senator twelve games, but you know, to kind of get going. But after that, we gotta make sure we take care of you. And if you get a this isn't the year. A play hurt. This is a year to recover and make sure you're healthy. And make sure you figure things out even if that means taking some time off, I am magin Seger understands that you know, this is the year to force yourself into the lineup. What kind of see what happens there? But who who do you like for that utility spot at at this point right now as we look at it? The the roster is doing more in Chris grown on it. We saw Christner grown come over from Arizona last year's and interesting player can run a little bit can make some contact doesn't have a lot of power Dylan Moore's younger, he's six years younger than five and a half years younger than than the grown probably a little bit or shortstop than the girls. So he probably has an advantage hit two eighty three forty ten or eleven Bob's last year in the in the minors. Pretty you like for. That's why I was thinking Dustin Ackley, but you know, all right? I guess if you're gonna system. Trying not to mention the acronym. But now that you mentioned well. The grown has the edge. Maybe initially. You know, just more hasn't hasn't played in the in a major shit, but more has more experience. Across the entire infield. A he he has more games at every position. Than the Koran. And so maybe that matters. I don't know again, ultimately, Tim Beckham could end up being kind of the utility guy of JP Crawford, ultimately grabs that shortstop JAL. Whether that's mayor junior August, or whatever whenever that is Tim Beckham. If he doesn't get traded could become that second base shortstop third base guy that goes in and gives Seger. You know, a day off gives Crawford today off gives Gordon a day off. And if he gets hot they try to wait they find a way to keep them in the lineup. That'd be really interesting. Yeah. I think that utilities butts another spot where hey, you know, what this is a potential scrap-heap kind of situation where if another club out there, let somebody go maybe we go get somebody else. But I think that spot could be important for what you alluded to there with your plane every day, and maybe for some of the other guys to let's not run, you know, JP Crawford in the ground. Let's not run d Gordon into the ground. Let's get a utility player. They've actually played for us and compete. And get him some time in commit to getting some time in sticking with it since you know, in the the end of the day as much as they want to win even twenty nineteen. They understand they've explained to the fan base twenty nineteen not going to be their year. So if they get to the all star break and their ten games under five hundred. There's no reason ago. Yeah, we need to Kyle Seager in the lineup more. I mean, that's just not a thing this year. I mean, it's almost like a built in excuse to do the right thing. Which is you know, sounds funny to say, but. There with the the utilities about what's they just sit him against some tough left-handers here and there maybe that's how you get him outta lineup. You know, don't have to necessarily. Schedule it. But you know, if you got a certain left-hander coming in just saying, hey, we just take the day off or at least don't start the game. Maybe that's how they do. It. I imagine Segers a little bit more again. Like, I was saying a couple of minutes ago. He's going to be a little bit more amenable to that this season. I imagine because of how much he struggled last year because the team's really trying to kind of focus on twenty twenty twenty twenty one. He's got a feel that he's got to see it to my imagine as much guys wanna be in there every day. No matter what the the win loss record is the matter if it's a winning streak or losing streak you guys wanna play every day, and I get it. But you know, the point is Corrine needs to understand that money's in your pocket. No matter what. So take care of yourself. And the team, you know, the teams going to want to do what's best for you. Because it's also best for them. So that's just might be the year where it's just easy to get your sit. But if it's not, yeah. At some points service has to put his put his foot down. All right. Let's move on to the to the outfield. Interesting group. Malik Smith mingles antenna. Mitch haniger. Jay, Bruce who also might get some time at DHA for space brain bishops also on the forty man roster. I don't I don't imagine. He has much of a shot to make the club out of out of spring training. I think it's pretty simple on most days. Santana's and left Malik Smith is in center and Mitch angers. And right, but before we live here. Luke made a good point when Malik Smith is a plant centerfield who play center field, and if it's Matana giving over to play center field who's playing right field that day. So are those the days that Jay Bruce plays right field? That's a really interesting question. I don't really know where any other answer actually is at this particular point. And I actually be really surprised now that we're talking about it. If if there wasn't a lot of movement in terms of trying to find that extra alpha that can actually play center field. Yeah. I think they have to pick somebody if if it is not ready and. I mean, he may be eventually, but he's not ready to be that, you know, back up three position outfielder. Yeah. They're gonna play Santana every day. They're gonna play Haniger every day whether he plays, right or centre. And all you have is Bruce and. Ecorse each are. Of course, there's always each out. But. And let's. Yeah. You both agree that that's probably short lived thing. You know? So once we get into the meat of the season in April. You know? Yeah. I mean, you're not gonna play Malik Smith hundred and sixty two games. So you're gonna play one hundred forty five to one hundred fifty most likely so does Mitch Haniger play those other fifteen or seventeen games? I guess because that's the way the the roster's constructed right now, he's really the only plane Jay Bruce out, there know, moving to Mingo Santana over and you're not rushing prospect just to give Malik Smith and Mitch Haniger a day off from centerfield, and to be honest with the older Mitch anger gets the less. He should play center field. He's not great out there. He's just you know, he's he's average or so. But yeah, that might be a position where they go try to find a stopgap or shoot can Dylan more play out there. I mean, this is a guy that can move around the infield. Can he play a little centerfield and give them five games? I'm not really sure what his background is. He's. Look at it. What's that? He does have some outfield experience. I did look at it. I think the grown does too. I don't know if it was centerfield grown. Definitely does. I know of is in center. Not again, remember him. Yeah. But you know, maybe one of those guys take some games too. That way thought always Mitch Berger going back to two debris and Bishop and we should Jake freely into the mix, although bishops probably a little ahead of Fraley in terms of timing. He's a little closer to the big leagues maybe by half a season or so Britain Bishop is twenty five years old his is development isn't going to be as speedy between now and the time he gets to the big leagues as it was from draft a to now it's going to start slowing down a little bit. Because he's in the upper levels of the minor leagues. And physically he kind of is what he is at twenty five years old. So I don't expect there to be some really big jump for him this year. Not a guy that's gonna hit for a lot of. So I think. Bishop not really an option that can't really be in the plans per se in my opinion for twenty nineteen and Fraley again is behind him. So you know, we're really talking about the millers of the world. That's not really a guy right now that you wanna bring them give starts to at the be level. We could see some movement there the alike, the Al filled as a whole Luth because it looks like if things go, right? If Santana bounces back guys, stay healthy. That's pretty good starting three. Actually, I think so Santana two years ago thirty home runs and fifteen stolen bases. From what I understand. It's not that bad a defender. And yeah, I mean Smith, you know, we'll see his. Know, I think we've talked about it before. I know people have brought it up to me before his his home in a way splits the last two years with Tampa. They are there is a very white gap. And the why behind it, I don't know. But we'll see how that plays out. And of course, Haniger 's he's really their best player on the team. I think so yeah, they'll feel is actually a position of strength. At least for the starting three. It's really just comes down to the depth behind it. Maybe pick up a guy Peter Berge law or somebody like that, you know, who's back with the angels right now on each are is some guy like that. Maybe that's what they do indicate. They find a guy that can fill that spot and between now, and when they go to Japan, we'll see what if Smith twist his ankle what if he's out he's out ten days. You know, he tweaks his Hammy on a cold day who you turn into you're not gonna put Haniger out there for ten. Days. I mean, that's what they're going to tell you. I guess maybe they are. I don't I don't know again. This is the best year to have this problem that you don't really have the obvious guy to toss out there. But, but yeah, you you do have to have somebody going back to the Malik Smith conversation. The. It's a little bit. It certainly a lazy explanation. But the explanation that I have heard with the home in ways the surface where he hits the argument. I heard from two different folks, he hits balls on the ground a lot which is true, but only compared to fly balls compared to landrights because he's only twenty five percent fly ball guy. But he's also twenty five percent line drive. Is we have a lot of line drives in the carpet. Help some of those balls get through. Whereas again, the argument the lazy argument here is. On the road. That's in the grass and the field. There's get to that more. But that's not going to explain the norm difference between some of those numbers home in Rhode like, you mentioned w especially twenty eighteen it's a big job as eighty point difference. He's three thirty two at home to fifty four on the road. He strikes. He walks at ten percent at home and six point nine away almost even a number plate appearances. So and that's doubled to five times as much as a lot of players. The majority of players are actually better at home than they are in the row. That's just the way that it works because you if you're going to do anything, you know, you're going to design your game plan around your whole ballpark. I mean, that's what that's what teams do Jerry is trying to build a team that fits for Safeco field now t mobile park, just like, you know, Brian Cashman's trying to build a team that fits for Yankee Stadium with left-handed power pitching and left handed power hitting. You're going to do that as a hitter as well. But those those differences are pretty staggering. I don't know that there actually is a statistical explanation for it. I don't know that there is I don't know that you go well at home, you know, he was doing I don't. Or some who knows? I I I'm not sure either I started looking at two today. And I just didn't have enough time to get all the way through you know, I was I was late. The I looked at the visiting ex WNBA WNBA at. Town of Tampa in. It's the same as Safeco field. Three oh to it's it's not a hitters park per se. But yeah, I don't know. I mean without doing more research. We'll see. I. Just something to keep an eye on right in the maybe temporary. And as the high contacts hit the ball on the ground guy each euro had a lot of success Safeco field. So it's not that that particular skill set won't work in certain parks like they do another. When you look at Malik Smith under his under twenty percent in strikeout rate, which these days is like striking out to all percents of the time because the strikeout rates up so high in major league baseball, and I think is walk rate is somewhere between eight and nine percent. We'll see I do think if I had to bet actually I would say the two ninety five three seventy that basically that he did that he put up last year probably a little high. But I do think to seventy five three fifty certainly plausible. And I think that's a that's probably a good spot to good places. Start for for mallets. We'll see likes to likes the ball up the middle on its lot of line drive. So it's it's hard not to think that he can't have success, everyone, whatever he does will probably be better than the combined production of Dee Gordon and Gail Haridi last year. No, really. Not that this year is that important. But let's be honest. I mean, he he like Crawford. You wanna see if he's your guy for the future? You know, you're Sesing is guide twenty twenty one twenty twenty two is going to be a key piece or a guy that used to be with the Mariners. Right. He's only twenty five years old. So yeah, he's kinda right? Where you want him to be, and you know, as kind of wrap this up here and maybe before before the regular season before they go to Tokyo, we'll do another one in talk about. Kind of try to project the roster a little bit. And then maybe also react to the roster that they're taking Tokyo. But overall, I've expressed my feelings about my thoughts about the job that I think Jerry DiPoto was done this off season in terms of the rebuild. How he went about it the types of players that he acquired the level of talent that the acquired one of the things that are really liked about it, and I wanna get your take as a whole and hear what you think of it. But the one of the things I liked it doesn't get talked about a lot is he didn't just go and get a bunch of prospects that were for years away. He went and got prospects that were either ready now and had two years of experience like Malik Smith, not really a prospect. But you know, what I'm saying? You say Kukuchi? Yeah. Technically, he'll be a rookie. But it's not like you're waiting for two years for him to get somewhere. You know, he can pitch in the big leagues right now. Justice Sheffield is pretty much ready right now. Whether he starts the season at the big league level or not we'll wait and see same thing with Jay Crawford. Even technically he's not a prospect. I think he mixed it up. Pretty well. I mean, just in Duns probably a year or two away. Jerod, calendars, probably three or four years away. I think there was a really good mix of you know, the levels that players were at and and they're ETA's don't all match up because if you throw all your eggs in one basket the way that Jackson Renzo kinda did you get you legitimately only get maybe a two year window to kind of see if it's going to work out. And then what do you do if your team's not gonna spend a bunch of money, you're kind of stuck and have to start over again. I think Jerry DiPoto covered himself pretty well. They're giving the team, you know, a real shot to compete, maybe twenty twenty but definitely twenty twenty one. And as we're looking ahead to twenty twenty two this team could be really really good. And he's added pieces across the whole roster. Particularly I like what he's done with the rotation. Get kukuchi. I think Kukuchi was a coup for them. I understand that. There's some risk. You know, there's an injury risk with him. But the contract is is unique. And it it does give them an out, you know, at most he's a he's probably a four year. Well, he's a four year guy. If. If he's struggling to three year guy if he's doing well, and they don't want to retain them. And of course, Sheffield Swanson are probably future pieces to the rotation in some form, and then already have Marco. So that's a fairly decent foundation to a rotation. I understand this. There's no aced there. But that's a pretty, you know, that's a lot of young arms. A lot of upside there. And you look at the infield. We'll see what Crawford is, you know, they're still. Still some questions what they're gonna admit maybe long shed long as their guy at second base. Although we I think we both agree that maybe he hasn't found his position yet. And then in the outfield, maybe flip Santana, maybe they don't put they already have Haniger, and we'll see how long he's here. And of course Smith, so there's he's you know, he's added pieces across the the roster. Not just one primary, focus and. Yeah. I mean, they set out had a goal. He was aggressive about it. I think personally moving canot. I'm just shocked. I'm impressed. I've really it. Just a move a guy. I mean, these the Bill bits splitting the Bill. But that you knew they would have to do that. And yeah, they attached the as but as much as folks love him here. He's a relief pitcher there's a lot of Allah, there is uncertainty there. I mean, he has a pretty violent delivery. You know, I don't know what you're far better qualified to speak to the sustainability of that delivery. But. Yeah. Yeah. The thing with and I said this quite a bit, and you and I have talked about it. He was never going to be more valuable. It was absolutely never going to be. He could go out there, and repeat what he did in twenty eighteen four the Mets and twenty nineteen they could go to the World Series, and they could win it. And he could save game seven and get them out of, you know, a basis loaded no out jam to save it, and he still wouldn't have as much trade value as he had this off season because of the control years, he'll be that much closer to arbitration arbitration eligible in that much closer to free agency and that much closer to teams just going yet. He's probably do like he said to unbelievable seasons. He's been used a lot. He's probably due to take at least a small step back because if he continues to go like this, you know, I mean, we're talking about first ballot hall of Famer here, and that's just not going to happen. So or at least teams can't bet on that happening. So when you're Jerry DiPoto. And you're like, okay. Do we hang on Wendy as when all his saves? Don't really mean anything or do we try to get as much as we? Can form while he's you know, his values at its peak. It was the absolute right approach. I know there are a lot of fans out there. And you know, nobody that's really probably gonna listen to this podcast. But there are a lot of fans out there that hate the rebuild that don't get it. You were so close, but were they actually close to? That's my argument. Luke, what were they actually close to? They were actually close to making the one the one game wild carp layoff. That's it for all Oakland did last year and winning what ninety seven games or whatever for all. They did they played one postseason game didn't even have an opportunity but their best pitcher in the game and lost. And that was their season. That was it. If I'm at Oakland A's fan. I feel cheated. We had a great season. And my team got one shot to do something in the playoffs one shot. And that's why I hate the one game playoff. But if you're the Mariners that that's what they were close to they weren't close to hosting that one game wildcard playoff. They weren't close to a playoff series. They were close to a one. Game playoff on the road like four out of the last eight seasons like that's not really close to anything meaningful. And I think the decision by Jerry DiPoto. And ultimately the ownership led by Johnston to say, you know, what we want more than this. We want better than this. We don't wanna be. We don't wanna be. I don't want. If I'm John STAN would have said this, and I think to some level. He did I don't want my CEO Kevin matter, and my my my baseball guy Jerry DiPoto going on local radio in talking about how we have a gold win games in the mid eighties. And hope we get lucky and hope we, you know, straight gold. I don't want my guys saying that because this town deserves more, and if you're John Stanton, you're part of this town, John Stanton is you he yes, he's a billionaire. But he is you it hurts when they lose games it hurts when they go on losing streaks. That's what's different about John Stanton. And I've been saying this for a couple of years now, that's what's different about Stanton than Howard Lincoln and the group. That was connected in intendo in Japan. They did not have that fan connection. They had a community connection. But they didn't have all my gosh. I need the Mariners to win kind of connection. I've told these stories before not tell it again, John Stanton is really close with the gentlemen that founded the company that I worked for in that now Luke works for a little bit Eurosport's. They are friends some of the stories that our founder will tell us about John Stanton. Her great because they almost always end with and then I had to let him go because the game was on or I only got one minute with them because he kept looking at his phone, and he wouldn't listen to me because he was following the game on game day. They were the mayors in Cleveland, and he was following the game. And he just just really didn't have time for you didn't have time to make a million dollar deal with you because he's got more important things to do. And just about every story that's told to me by people that know Stanton, like the founder of the company that I worked for always. Ends that way. It's like, yeah. I was talking to John for minute the other day. And then you know, it always ends with that. I mean, he is a completely different animal. And I'm not saying that makes them a great owner. I'm seeing it makes me significantly better owner who understands the pain of the fan a lot more than the previous regime because I don't think they understood it at all they were all talk John Stanton is not. And I think that's why fans should actually be excited because I get it. I get that typical fan out there is like, whoa. They traded connote. He was good. They let Nelson Cruz going. He was good. They traded James Paxson. He was good. They traded Mike Zeno N. He hit a lot of home runs, and he was a fan favorite. And he was great with the media. I get that. I get the pain. They traded D as maybe the best reliever in baseball. But you know, if if you're ever gonna put your trust in an ownership, you wanna put your trust in an ownership that actually cares about things the same way that fan does in John Stanton. Is that guy? I gotta tell you. I say this. A lot of people are like are you John Stanton buddies does he actually sign your paychecks because you say this a lot? No, the answer is. No, I get nothing for this. I'm just telling you what I hear and telling you what I believe in telling you what I know if I'm a Mariners fan at this point. I haven't been succeeded in years and actually as a baseball guy. I haven't been this excited to go to that ballpark. In ten years. Maybe you know, at the very least two thousand twelve because it was excited about the Seger Dustin Ackley because of what they showed in twenty eleven and a direction the team and Walker Paxton we're coming. I was excited about that. I think more excited about this team right now going into twenty nineteen for the future. Then I was then and I'm not even sure it's really all that close. Luke. I just think I get the fans just you know, they feel like the air was led out. But, you know, hanging there, you know, just like hang I'm not going to say, hey, you know, what just trust the process? That's a Philadelphia thing because that's bull. Ultimately, you need to win games and this needs to work, but they're in a much better position right now. And I just I think Jerry DiPoto did it right? And I think John Stanton being willing to kind of, you know, basically bite the bullet, you know, that team over there isn't gonna make nearly as much money this year as they did last year. They're probably going to have a red year financially. You have to be willing to eat. That if you actually care about winning, and that's the proof for me that that's enough. They've been all about money for you know, for twenty five years not anymore. Yes. They need to make money. But they also understand that winning is the way to do it. I'm jacked I don't know about you guys. You and yours or a little down on the organization for other reasons than I completely understand those. And maybe we should do a podcast on that a little bit at at some point. But you're gonna watch games, right? Watch watch every game. Like you always did before. Right. Yeah. I understand. There are eighty nine win team. I get that. But you know, one of the things in these these previews I'm doing I haven't quite figured it all the stats yet. I'm just giving a quick on each team. You know, what they're runs scored per game and on base and W R C. Plus, and whatever we're last year where it ranked ammo p the mayor I had the Mariners call up here. So four point two runs per game. Twenty second in MLB. Runs allowed four point four which is more than they scored and seventeenth X w obey for pitchers. Twentieth. You know? On base percentage. What was reasonable like like if they decided to just build on that what was reasonable this winter? They were so close a Maxine out one hundred percent on payroll. What was really truly possible for the twenty nineteen mares of they didn't break it up. I just don't feel like the ceiling was very high other than it could Cucci who else was could they have gotten. Right. I mean who else could without giving up. What they did adding Malik Smith would be great. But they did have to sacrifice my, you know, in some as Dorris talk, you know, take that with a grain of salt that that one of the appealing things about the Mariners was that they're not necessarily. Bill to win this year. So there's not this sense of urgency to run his guy out there over work him. Just so you can take a shot at that one game. You're talking about. I mean, and I do know, you know, he was griping about the Mets the way they used Harvey in twenty fifteen he's had issues with the way the nationals were using Strasbourg and other injury prone guy. So that is a recurring theme with him. And so anyway, yeah, you're not getting how you improving, you know, you you, quote stuck with de Gordon, you, you know, you're coach stuck with Kyle Seager, and you could still have canot, which is not a bad thing. But yeah, where where are you going to improve you know, they had nothing in centerfield. They had to get a center, fielder know. You know, maybe traits. She'll wondering what's going on at first base? I mean, what were you gonna do this off season? Like, you wouldn't have had when Nacional even pretend to play first base over there. And if you did that, you know, Nelson cruises the free agent he paying him fifteen million dollars to come back. I mean, there's just so many things that pointed to this being the right time to do it. Yeah. The the the low ceiling for twenty nineteen the relatively low ceiling was a big reason for that. You know, if you look around. You look at what the angels have done this off season. You look at the Astros are still good Cleveland still pretty good. The the raise actually passed the mayor's last year with with their August and September run, and they certainly got better this winter in even without the marriage strating them Zeno, they were gonna get better this off season in any obviously have the defending champ Red Sox and the New York Yankees who might be the two best teams in baseball. How how are they gonna make the playoffs? I mean, we haven't even talked about Oakland. But actually think the angels could take a meaningful step forward enough to be at least on the fringe right there with the mirror. So if you're the Mariners trying to go forward again in twenty nineteen instead of tearing it down like you did you're battling with yet. Another team. I mean, either the Red Sox or the the Yankees are winning the division. And the other one's probably gonna win ninety five one hundred games and be the number one wildcard. So it's Tampa the angels Oakland. And if you're the Mariners in this pretend scenario, we're making up here, you're the fourth team in that group, and you might actually be the best team in that group, and it's all for one tiny spot here tease you one game. So. I think if you. I think those fans that hate it. I think the majority of them will understand it better. Because I think there is will open when they start seeing some of these guys because some of these guys are gonna fail some of these these players that Jerry acquired they're not gonna perform, but some of our when they perform the big league level, you'd be like, okay because I remember years ago when I was just learning the game of baseball. And I saw that happen. And I saw teams like the twins, for example. I saw that that that that eighty seven twins team that went worst. I think that was no that was ninety one. It was eighty seventeen. And then they let guys go, and I believe after the eighty eight and I was wondering why and then ninety one they won the World Series again going worst person. I was thinking. Okay. Okay. I get what they're doing some of those players will older, and and they needed to go younger and guys are starting to get expensive. And this was about the time that Ricky Henderson and Kirby Puckett started making. Three million dollars year, the first two three million dollars a year contracts. I start understood, and I do think some of those fans will start to understand it. Once they see some of these guys that the mayor's acquired this winter the Malik Smith's of the world. JP Crawford Justice shift when they see the performing on the field. I think they'll start to understand. And then obviously it'll be a lot easier to accept at the mayor's landed winning. One time at least in the next three or four. I would say this. And when I say, this sometimes my wonderful bride who's a lifelong Mariners slash Seattle. Sports fan gets a little angry with me is that having lived in many parts of the country. Is that Seattle fans are awesome. But they fall in love with their players so fast. And and so when a guy is moved, you know, everybody loves Edwin d as you know, you have the maple grove, which is sort of teen created, but the maple grow for. And in the king's court and all these things for players, and you know, how about you know, what's his name. Forgot his name the guy with the hair last Taylor. Oh, yeah. I know. He was he was a big plant, and that's sort of what? You know, there's something endearing to that. But when you make these huge trades, and you move guys there's this instant, you know, outrage because you move a guy they liked or maybe the jersey for, but what I figured out that all cities have a common thread is they all like winning. They're all fans of winning. You know, when you hear all this town is a big sports town that they're all fans of winning. And so once the Mariners star winning consistently they'll have their fan favorites, and they'll have winning, and you know, I wasn't here for the nineties. But let's face it. The reason the ninety five team was so popular in the players because they won. It's at your doesn't hit. No. Griffey Griffey was the one guy on that team. That would have been just as popular had. They not want ever other than that everybody else on the team, including Edgar and buehner all those guys would have been, you know, eons, less popular and beloved if the mayor's did win and do something exciting if the double never happened like if the double never happens the one hit. That is the highlight the one biggest highlight of editors career if that doesn't happen. He probably doesn't get in the hall of fame because he probably doesn't get the median the fan support that he got. Well, he struck out any strike out against McDowell for this. The first time I saw the other day run all his highlights like like like too many struck out against him. And he I think he realized he needed to be looking for a different pitch or something like that. So he obviously found it. But yeah. So. Yeah. I agree. I'm excited for this. I'm excited for what's common. And I think fans should be to get it. They're not gonna win and that irritates people. But they haven't been winning really. I mean. Just haven't. Yeah. And when I say be excited, I mean be excited for winning. I'm not saying be excited for Malik Smith, although you should be excited for Malik Smith because he's fantastic can play. And he's a great interview. And he's a character. And he's got tons of personality is just so easy to love that guy, but like him because he's good player and he's going to help your team win. And the team has a chance to win a clear path now for the mayor's organization to actually get to a point where they can do something real not just compete for a while card win in two years. There's absolutely a chance. The marriage are the best team in this division last year last year. I did not believe that. I was like no that that can't happen. I don't see how that can happen. We'll look at the Astros after this season. Look who free eight that Cole is gone. Garrett Cole is they might lose. Dallas kaikal Garrett Cole is gone. Just Lander is is a free agent. Other guys gear Kohls probably going to the dodgers of the angels. Just they're not gonna pay Justin ver- Lander. If they were gonna pay us Verlinden, they probably pay Dallas this off season. They're going to have to make a decision on Carlos Correa. Some at at some point soon. They're gonna have to commit to Alex bregman at some point soon. So yeah, they're not a two hundred million dollar a year payroll team. So you're the mayor's opportunities going to be there and Jerry DiPoto in his people saw that coming. I don't think it's very hard. They certainly saw that coming and they played call them out. But he he basically said they kind of looked around the division and they see what's coming. You know, I'm not as high on the angels. I I, you know, again, I do these things like like. I mean, I haven't compared other teams. But if you take Mike trout's production out of the angels total statute last year. They're slugging percentage drops twenty points. It's like a four thirteen with him. It's a three ninety three without. And that's both indictment on the rest of the angels lineup is whole and a crowning of my trout as two-thirds of their attentional walks are might trout like thirty something, and he has three or something. Like, I mean, it's not a good team. But you know, when I was making the point about them being, you know, maybe in the mix they're hoping they're opening the Tyler Skaggs days LV. They're hoping that Haney stays stays healthy. They're hoping that Harvey gives them, you know, something that some of the site starts to show up there. They're hoping that. Jonah blank on the infielder. They got the the shortstop in in the plane third base. Art got hurt. Yes. Thank you that coz art, they're open that he comes back healthy, and is ready to go, and is basically your everyday guy. And if they do, you know is really not a bad team. But if somebody significant gets hurt particularly in that rotation they're in trouble and I still don't like their bullpen. But you know, it would it shocked me if they want to eighty six games. No, not at all. But that might be there. See, so I'm with you. I'm not really a big fan of what they've been right? And we talked a little bit about pool halls and how that's going to get handled. And you know, you have Justin bore you have pool halls. And then you have Otani in Otani is not gonna be ready for the start of the season. And and Albert Scott, and he's gonna pitch. So he's going to THE only, and then you have Albert who's going to he's last year. He played. Seventy whatever it was seventy three games at at at first base, which was double what he's done the two previous years combined. And now he's coming off an elbow and a knee procedure. He's thirty nine years old. You know? You know, like, how do you keep Buller Otani and Albert all on the the roster at the same time? Even if the other infielders are very versatile, and they have some guys that can play coz art, you know, where they place third or second. And then they have Fletcher and they have Taylor ward. And there's one other kid that they're looking at that their infield. But how flexible can you be out can right? Right. Kinda stuck with those three guys want so tiny Southie. You're stuck with three guys that really all of them belong at age. Even better belongs D H plan at first base. But yeah. So maybe they'll hit and maybe hit enough. You know, their new skipper of there has got got a big jet. Yeah. But the upside is not big, you're right. You know, it's it's there's not a ton to like, they're, you know. But you know, you look forward down the I mean, there's a chance might Trump's gone in a couple years two years. So and to be honest with you, if I might trout, and I know what I know. I mean might try to obviously place for the damn team, and he is my crowd. So he knows a lot more about this idea. But if I might try to know what I know I've already decided on leaving. There's nothing here for me. It's not even LA. It's freaking Anaheim, Orange County. It's not even Los Angeles. There's nothing here for me. I'm not an LA guy tight. Anyway. I don't like the bright lights big camera. I don't wanna talk. Everybody's ear off. You know, all ready know that I'm leaving. So its highest. Hitter that isn't on the west coast, and I'm out of here, and he'll get that from Boston or the Yankees or the Mets were know the Phillies or somebody, and he'll get a deal, and he'll be gone. You know, so thinking about, you know, the AL west and the future really it's what can the Astros hang onto? What exactly is the as path to ninety five wins a year? If there is one considering their ownership stadium situation, and the fact that they don't spend money and can the Mariners beat the Rangers in the rebuilding right now. They're light years ahead of the Rangers and the rebuild. So mayors are pretty good spot right now, and the more I talk about it. The more jacked up by get. Yeah. I think it there. Like, you said earlier, they're they're picking up players that are not years and years away. And while, you know, the Rangers of signing, you know, the people from the land of misfit toys that pitchers that are, you know, they're not. You know, I'm drawing a blank, but I just signed just looking just, you know, all these guys that are banked up over thirty same thing with the with the angels. They're not. The guys are adding short term commitments that are you know, they're not going, and maybe one of them doesn't maybe that Harvey pitches better. I wish that guy. Well, but. But who's the other guy? Oh, Trevor K hill. He hasn't made more in twenty starts like I forget four years or something like that. It's been several. So these guys are lying and by the way. Tommy, John, Richard is gone. Shoemakers gone. There's there's a lot of question marks still deal with. The west is not a good division after the Astros because to be honest. I don't really buy the as. They were really good. I'm just not sure how much better they can be with that rotation. Even though the bullpens really good. It's still really good twenty two offense is is good. But not great. I just e. Yeah, I don't I don't know twenty twenty pitchers that are coming off Tommy, John and other things, you know, Manet. Putter and the other kid I can't think of the other kid's name just had a setback. I wasn't few and him as a player this year. But those guys maybe. In two years next season there along the along that you know, timeline that you're talking about you get to you get a year from now all of a sudden match match at Mun is due money through arbitration, it just every other play on that team is either do more money through arbitration or really really close to free agency. And what are the Oakland A's doing happens? They end up training somebody Josh Donaldson's, the probably the last really really good player. Remember them trading? And it was just what three or four years ago. So. Yeah. I I don't really they don't seem to have a whole lot of stability. So it's really difficult to project them. But they certainly know what they're doing with their talent when they get it. How long they're able to keep it is really the key. And we'll see what happens with guys like Niamh puck. And and those guys what is gonna be are eligible before he can before you can even pitch again. So you know, we'll see what we'll see what happens. They're not, you know, they're automatically going to cut him if he's arbitraging eligible, but I imagine they probably treat somebody like him very similar the way they did sunny grave, very similar the way they did Tim Hudson and Mark moulder and berries ITO way back when it's just been there formula for you know, twenty five or thirty years, it's not going away for statements, or at least until they get any ball. Chris Davis this year. He's a free agent. Right. Right. Big. He's a slogger. Maybe maybe not depending on I suppose, but he certainly guy who may be on the on the move and all these guys they have signed, you know, veterans. They're all just like with the. Mariners. You know, they're going to move him at the deadline, if they're certainly make sense. Why would you retain a guy if you can get some value for them? Especially if you're good at the development partner, which Oakland Oakland. Good. I don't really think they're all that good at the drafting and signing Latin American players part. But I think they're good at making the best of what they actually get. So they're they're probably one of the top six or eight clubs in baseball at doing that over overtime success at that has anybody. All right. Yep. Baseball is is close as I as we wrap this up here. Luke, I see all these Twitter updates flowing on my my tweet deck here and about half of them are about baseball and spring training and the Oakland A's and the Seattle Mariners and the other half are about Washington. Huskies recruiting. So we're still getting football. But baseball is as really really close. I'm I'm certainly jacked about it. Luke, it was it was good talking. We'll do this again. Like, I said it would be ideal. If we did this again to maybe project some rosters maybe react to the roster once it's an ounce the Tokyo roster, and then maybe we can do it again week later when they do it again for the the regular regular season roster. But pretty I got a parting shot gimme a parting shot from Luke Arkan's for for this episode of baseball. Oh, man. I'm put put him on the spot. Ladies jump. I did not tell them. I was going to do this. But a parting shot make a prediction. It can be non baseball one time. I was one time. I went on a Portland radio station got it was ten or fifteen years ago. And he said Ghani last words, and I said pie is better than cake. That was my. So anything you want to say way away. I don't have anything. Interesting. I will say I believe you say Kuku is going to be he is going to surprise people and people going to wonder why their team didn't pick him up. I think he has a chip on his shoulder and a good way. He wants to demonstrate he belongs here. He really wants to be here. I think he's going to be really good. Good parting shot, and you didn't think you'd have to way. I'm gonna piss off here for a second. I don't have a shot. Thanks for joining me. Luke, really, really appreciate it. That's going to do it for this episode of baseball things. Thanks to baseball for existing. Thank you Sam. Thanks to all of you are sticking with us. The talent comes everywhere. But having something to say in a way to say it so people listen to it. That's a whole other bag. Unless you get out there. And you try to do you'll never know. That's just the truth. And there's one reason we're supposed to be here is to say some people want to hear. You gotta grab it, and you apologize. You don't worry about why? They're listening to how long they're going to be listening for you. Just tell them what you wanna say. Understand until you.

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Episode Eighty-Six Highlights: Mariners Mount Rushmore

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Episode Eighty-Six Highlights: Mariners Mount Rushmore

"If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it to first of all it's free but there are also creation tools alive to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer. Then anchor will distribute podcasts for you so you can be heard on platforms like spotify apple podcast and many others. You can even make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place. Download the free anchor app or go to anchor. Fm to get started break. So we're going to jump in here and do Do our mount rushmore for the seattle mariners. We started doing this. we did. We did the yankees because that's briggs team and then we decided to come west. Do my team the seattle mariners. So we're going to do that today. now for those who aren't familiar. Mount rushmore has four president presidential heads on it so we are choosing four players. We believe would belong on mount rushmore for the organization. brig. Why don't you go ahead and lead us off. give us your first one. That's so nice of you. It's been giving me everett team and it's the soft ball that you're just going to lob in there. Yeah so my number one choice. Is ken griffey. Junior mine to super are you. We should go ahead brig. Well i mean number one overall pick nine thousand nine hundred eighty eight drafted out of high school he changed baseball transcended baseball man with the hat backward and everything like that eleven seasons as a mariner three hundred ninety eight home runs one thousand sixty three runs in one thousand one hundred fifty two. Rbi's dude this dude is off the chain ale nbc metal. What especially when he was in seattle. Yeah we don't talk about that. whatever happened in chicago. It wasn't even in the documentary. It's true that was like two weeks. It's like the last month season in chicago. A lot of forget about that number seventeen with the white sox playing right field and the agent. What do you think about. It tells you your thoughts on the kid. Well so i mean you hit the nail on the head transcended baseball. You know the iconic backwards at the most beautiful swing we have ever seen to date. I mean i don't know of anybody who has that kind of thing. I mean cody bellinger. You could see kind of tries to mimic a little bit One time his stance is very similar to griffey's He's changes up since then His swing is a little bit in that direction. But i think that might just be. Because he's a lefty But i think you can see there are some inspiration drawn there which is obvious. You know like the kid who grew up in mlb clubhouse but i mean griffey had influence over an entire generation of fans. The only guy can think of who had that kind of influence as michael jordan. And you know they were contemporaries playing in the midnight in the nineties early. Two thousands pressure their contemporaries. And you know as like mike. And every every kid playing baseball wanted to be like griffey And you know one thing that. I don't know how well known. This is about. His influence on the game is that griffey is his approaching. Bugsy league is the reason. The jackie robinson day where everybody wears number forty two and also the reason that jackie robinson's number is Is retired across major league baseball. And that's right. Ken griffey junior. Had that idea brought it to bug the but see like and it was executed so more than just on the field he. I guess that's mostly on the field. But across the entire game that he understood the importance of jackie robinson in his life and the league and he felt like it was important enough that everybody should understand that. And i think it's great. I thought when. I heard that i thought it was amazing. Just somebody who cares way more about way more things than just himself because it could have been easy for him to be selfish his entire career. Oh for sure you know and you can argue that there were times. Everybody's gotta be selfish. At some point you know when he asked out of seattle. We saw in the junior documentaries because he was miserable he was. He wanted to be with his family. And i can't fault again that especially especially being a dad you know but yet no this the the impact. He had on my favorite team growing up. The i i've talked. I've spoken to people over the last years. It's like. I don't know why honestly if you didn't grow up in the pacific northwest why anybody be mariners fan and the same answer. Every time is i grew up watching griffey like there. You go there you go down the You know what. I mean any All of the ten all star teams. That's transcendent right there. That's that's how you become a fan griffey. if you didn't grow up there in any way griffin griffey just wins. He just is a winner. Wins all of the things that you can win the gold glove every single year. He was in seattle is exactly he wins all the things you can win thing. Yeah absolutely saved baseball in seattle. I mean we can't. He did this to this day. Now t mobile but safeco was called the house junior bill because he led that team on that playoff run you know granted they lost to last to the indians and ninety five in six games but because people were coming to watch griffey that year you know. He missing time with a broken wrist but when he came back he was just as electric has ever. You know he came back and people were coming to watch him play and watch. The mariners play in the playoffs that it was like okay. We need a new stadium because the kingdom is not great at one last. One last thing on griffey isn't tell me if i'm wrong but is he not the first mariner to be in the hall of fame. Ds yup one of only two one of only two. Yeah you're gonna go to the second one for your next one no okay. Let's don't talk. Don't talk to me like you know me supervisor. I apologize brad. Who is your number two funny. You ask that right now brag. My number two is edgar martinez. No yep yeah he is. I knew you were going to say that he was he was the second mariner to be elected into the baseball hall of fame and it took a long time. It took a long time for him to get because people were holding his defense against him. And to that i say but more so i say you cannot name the designated hitter year designated hitter of the year award after a guy and then not let him into the hall of fame and the greatest to play the game by far. I mean look at this here of course so edgar martinez three twelve three twelve lifetime average nine thirty three career opie i mean hello and then in ninety five. He had he career year. Ninety five. griffey missed some time. So he was bumped up a little bit in the in the batting order. Got few more at bats came out batting brig three fifty six with an opium s of one point one zero seven on base percentage four seventy nine and for a guy who hits for average and does not hit big twenty nine home runs. I know finish third in the mvp voting to your point. Fifty two doubles that ninety five season. And you know what the thing that's funny about that is that none of those stats include the important role that he had in the ninety five. Lds against your new york yankees My yeah there. It is because he had double double but also had a grand slam. He had a grand slam in that series. The brought the mariners back from the brink in game. Four right yes. They should've lost that game instead. Martinez the grand slam to straight away. Centerfield busts out the right bread and mustard. Grandma that's right. So i mean aside from those though i mean he was after griffey left seattle. He was the cornerstone of the franchise. Him and ichiro for the cornerstone of the franchise. And i mean. I think his leadership was a big reason that team one hundred sixteen games in two thousand and one. And whether he was a vocal guy in the clubhouse. I don't know you know. I was only fifteen years old at the time. Sure but so. I wasn't paying attention to that stuff but it felt like it was edgar. His team and he was leading that team to every single win. You know bret. Boone was doing the backflips. Jbl was hitting home runs by edgar. Martinez was the guy who was pushing that team along. So i don't know. I mean that's just the way i saw it. That's the way i it. You're really the entire time. His using seattle You know one of the big knocks on him is that he was a defensive liability. He didn't play much defense. He played a little bit third baseman. Here disney could play defense anymore. I don't know if the mariners would have done that. They'd ever made it to the world series. Because i would have been trouble winning two games on the road probably because he didn't have his bat except pinchitting situation but and he's also a guy as my dad said he. My dad always said he ran like he's out of the ground which i thought was really funny and also very true. Yeah that's right. well he spent. That's that's enough in seattle eight. Yeah let's plenty of an opinion. Yeah he spent his whole career in seattle. He's a guy who like i. I watched him from the beginning of my watching baseball until he retired. Two thousand four. When i graduated high school and like at that point i was just like gosh a note to do you know right anyway. What do you say about your break. Because i'm assuming you have him on your list. I do just wasn't number two brad. That's fine offered. no. I've said i mean everything you said i was gonna say and then i added the eighteen season. Seattle and yeah. I just just crazy to me that this guy is as good as he is in his underrated as he is and I use as the greatest to ever play the game. And i think there's a really good argument for that but other people know david ortiz better. And i can't figure out why it's got to have something to do with being in seattle And i think. I think david ortiz thing is the postseason right. Never got that chance even even though he did perform when he did get the chance but he didn't get the chance on the big big big stage like poppy too. Yeah right. yeah. But that's what i'm saying that's like there's your but you come up with seriously. If you if you say list five top three even top three best of all time you have to have edgar martinez in there. You have to absolutely have to no matter what i mean. You'd be a fool not to so he was. He's my number three. And okay i refuse. I refuse to move him down to number. that's fine. hey let's let's take a quick break when we get back. Let's talk about your number two brig. Okay welcome back baseball family now during the break brandon. I had a little bit of an exchange happenings very exciting. I said rather boldly that. I believe i know who his number three and number four picks will be. I also told him that. I think are number. His number three and my number two which has yet to be revealed are the same but that our number fours are going to be different so in an effort to preserve the integrity of our little experiment. I told brad has said. Look i'm gonna. I'm gonna send you a text message with my guesses because he's like prove it. I'm like no. I can't then cheat and i said well so so. I texted him. It's got a time stamp on it. Not looking at his phone or very excited to bring you this very exciting more for us than anything else. So we'll see what happens but okay my number two since we've gone out of order. My number two. Pick for the seattle mariners. Mount rushmore is ichi. Row yuki k. That is my number three yes. I'm halfway there baby. Half okay who okay. So now suzuki kate. Let's go context here. When a player comes from japan. It's not always a done deal. You can have a terrific career in japan and be lights out just be automatic and then you can come to major league baseball and things. The wheels fall off right it just there are very few players that pull it off successfully. There's only one player that's done it. The way suzuki has it's just insane so he has with seattle from two thousand one to two thousand twelve short break. Well i mean. Six years is not short and then twenty eight hundred thousand nine hundred came back right. Well yeah twenty. I mean if that's what you wanna call it. I mean he played fifteen games in twenty eighteen and then he played two games japan series and twenty nineteen so basically he came back Ceremoniously during that time sure but we got a good ten years out of him for yes yes. He's the all time leader in hits. With twenty five forty two for the mariners. Four hundred thirty eight stolen bases also leads that category and he has the highest career batting average. Three twenty one across the entire franchise history now. The team was inaugurated. What nineteen seventy. Seven yeah houser. Initial season so That's that's not a tremendous amount of history to top. But it is nothing. It's it's nothing to shake a stick at a three twenty one career leading the franchise with at least ten years. That's pretty good And we did see that there. Is that staff that came across On the on the nine plus as vip group. And i think it was an an mlb graphic but anyway it said something like each euro doubled up a up the middle or singled up the middle in his twenty first at bat of his major league career and never fell below three hundred again for his lifetime. Average right and you know. It's pretty good. He got off to a pretty good start because he hit three fifty. That first season as a rookie was an was the obvious. Rookie of the year happened to win. Mvp happened to win mvp as well that year And that was two thousand one. That was a that season that i talked about when i felt like edgar martinez leading the team. I mean each euro was just this. Phoenix came out of nowhere. I specifically remember his very first at bat with the mariners and it was like He hit like a little dribbler to like to third base. I think any beat it out right and we were just like. I think this is my mom and i watched the game. We looked at each other. Like who's this guy and then it wasn't too long until there's that from From right field to david bell. That was an absolute strike. Not just a strike but a laser beam in others like he can throw to. What what is this. You know if. I first impressions of ichiro. Were very big in my house. Because we hadn't really heard anything about him. Besides he's gonna be great right a lot of promises that are often broken promises. Empty yes yeah. It's like you talked about guys. Come over from japan and sometimes in like maybe they're good not great or they just flat out. Don't pan out at all. maybe seen shohei ohtani. Who's been very good for the angels and he plays but health has been an issue you know. He's on a second round of tommy. John surgery already. You know and who knows how much longer he's going to be able to play. He's probably going to be a pitch. Which is part of the reason they wanted him but each euro was everything anybody ever thought he would be and more. You're coming to the league. At twenty seven so it was absolute. Dynamite unreal unreal exellent engine each especially that first year so then in two thousand four when he broke the single season record for for hits with two sixty two that record stood until he broke it. No four from nine hundred twenty longtime longtime man and this is one thing about each year that a lot of people kind of argue against is his slugging percentage So he never had a slugging percentage. Let's see above four fifty seven. He's four fifty seven rookie season and he never got above that again and rarely got over. Four hundred a lot of people call him a slap hitter because he was just slapped the ball getting on base. But you and i have talked about the value of getting a guy on bass and we saw that with the mariners especially in a one-season there were guys who a could hit home runs. You have bret boone batting right behind each year. That season who was May or may not have been juicing. I don't know i'm not gonna say way. But batting right behind him but he sure hit a whole lot of home runs that season regardless of the situation and each year was on base for a lot of them so that turns solo home. Run into two run home. Run at least exactly and that's that's the whole point. Well not forget. He took home tate. Ten straight gold glove awards from A wonder two thousand ten at yeah at top. Yeah it is and you know they had the fan area out there in right field to call area fifty one which i thought was pretty cool And you know. I actually read at one point. I think it's his rookie season. Where he said the reason he chose number fifty one. Do you know what that was no. He's a big bernie. Williams fan kid out i. That's what i read that rookie season. I don't know how much truth there is to it but that's something that i saw. That's that's fantastic. Really cool tastic. Yeah yeah that was great cool but all right Let's see who's your. Who's your number four k into my number. Four is the big unit randy johnson. I was wrong. You said king felix thought so king felix real quick. Let me tell you why. I didn't choose king felix okay and it was strictly because he never pitched playoff game which i know is not his fault us young award winner but the fact that he was not able to get there. You know like i said. It's a pitcher nice fault. But but i feel like you've got to have that on your resume and randy. Johnson actually was the reason at one point. The mariners got into the playoffs because they had to play a one game. Playoff ninety five against the at the time. California angels And he came in and closed that game out struck out. I believe it was tim. Salmon to win the game. So brad that what. Oh that is ready instead of king feeling and see for me. Randy johnson has like just such a special place in my heart. I feel like you can't leave him off because like i said the role that he played on that team in those playoff runs like he was a twenty game winner in ninety seven when the mariners made the playoffs again he was an all star that season he was also an all star. Ninety three ninety four ninety five. He won the cy young award ninety five and like he didn't strike fear or king felix did not strike the fear and two batters that randy johnson did. Hey now that's that's the hundred percent true. There's because are you with that. Because i feel like with with king felix. It was like a nervousness of you. Know what's gonna come but you still can't hit it both randy johnson. It was like this guy might have a screw loose. And i don't know where the ball's gonna come. You know where it's gonna come. And i don't know if it's going to be a hundred and three mile. An hour fastball. Over it's going to be a ninety mile and our slider. Yep you know so like there was like a physical fear put into batters that very few other patriots have had of course over the course of a lifetime he threw is. I know no in nineteen ninety cy young award winner ninety five and four thousand. Eight hundred seventy five strikeouts. That's a fine of ten point. Six one yeah he also had one thousand nine one thousand four hundred ninety seven walks which is pretty good for a guy with those kind of control issues and just shy at seven feet tall. Yeah that was one thing that i always thought was funny that that yes. The ball is coming out of his hand. One hundred plus because he's stepping halfway to to the plate and he had he had a unique motion you know. A of guys have their arm at ninety degrees when they throw. But he had that three-quarter arm slot cock where he was. Yeah yeah it was like a sling. Coming out of there where yeah especially. Since his arm so long for left handed batter. The ball is starting four feet behind you and then have a swingback the plate. Everything feels like it's coming out you at that point. Yes as long as it's mustaches. And his molin is more was males but his car. He just wouldn't have been stock cars. That's the only difference exactly exactly like the one problem. I have with randy. Johnson is that he went into. And i don't blame them for this. He went into the hall of fame as a diamondback as an arizona diamondbacks and you know he. He had good years in arizona. He won a world series of the diamondbacks. So i totally get that. It's always wish he had gone in as a mariners because he had he was so dominant in those years. But i could see it because he was one two three four five time all star with the diamondbacks last time was when he was forty. So it is what it is. Whatever it's fine. He's he's my. He's the guy on mount rushmore. That's pretty good man i. I can't argue with you as far as not picking king felix. What i can do is tell you that you've left out. Arguably the most important personality in the entire franchise off your mount rushmore. Oh that's a bold statement. That is and i'm going to kind of break the mold a little bit and as i do. So i'll ask you to break out the salami and the muster grandma. Because i'm putting dave niehaus as my number four on handle. I cannot believe it insee. Dave niehaus because i was gone. Strictly players dave niehaus absolutely belongs to be on their more than the begin. It does one hundred percent. No there's no seattle baseball without dave niehaus. It just doesn't happen well. I mean it's carried on but not without the statue in centerfield. That's about that. I'm just telling me and So that is an absolute valid point. He started his career calling games for the california angels. But he if. I got that right california angels. I believe that's actually true. But the point is he was broadcasting in seattle from nineteen seventy seven to two thousand ten and that was the first that was the the team's inaugural season nineteen seventy seven and He was with them all the way until two thousand ten when he passed away. I just think that As far as as far as names go you. Gotta have you know dave niehaus gotta be on that on that mount rushmore. Definitely absolutely and it's i mean if nothing else nobody. I shouldn't say nobody. There are few people who have as iconic of a call as dave niehaus. Very phys the grand. Salami made it into ken griffey junior winning run the video game. The sequel to ken griffey junior presents. Major league baseball use. Winning run came out a year. I believe after. I think it was ninety six so it was right after the ninety five. Lds once again and anytime anybody grand slam. It wouldn't go through the whole thing. But it would just grand salami nice which was an obvious tribute to dave niehaus absolutely well and what i love about. Dave niehaus is causes. If you go back and watch you get you get the radio guy. Enthusiasm with tv guy. presentation right like he's he's he's broadcasting on tv but he's also giving you like all of the juice all of the excitement he he is invested. He's in it to win it just with so it felt like you're super duper knowledgeable. Uncle was screaming along with you on their baseline. It's true and and you know i have. I have a cassette tape from the ninety five season. I know i've talked about it a lot. This whole this whole episode. But that's like one a became a hardcore big league. Baseball fan was during that season and And all along they have the dave niehaus call you know with with the video and it's always just like it goes like three octaves above and you can tell like me being an audio guy you can tell that everything is peaking because you can hear it cut down as soon as the ball is because yeah it's it's almost like he sits way back here and makes the call you know because he's screaming so loud and it's it's when somebody hits the ball it's when somebody makes a great play. When griffey crashed into the wall and broke his wrist. It was like you know. Read peaks for days and then and then he was able to chop it down and be somber. Because he's like. Oh no juniors hurt. You know so. It's not just that. He had his signature call but he was. He was incredibly good what he did. He did a great job of feeding off the energy of the game and conveying that through the broadcast i agree man iconic absolutely foreshore. Love it but anybody who hasn't been to t mobile or safeco field They're like before. There's a statue out and senator the dave niehaus where he sitting at the broadcast desk and you can sit down next to him. Get your picture taken. it's cool. I think. I'll i'll see if i can Dig out. I have a couple of pictures and myself with all think i'll dig. Put them on youtube. You can see him nice well and they've got do they still have the thing On the outfield wall. That says dave the mike and it says mile. My is that still. I believe centerfield or wherever it is. Yeah i believe they do so. There's out in the outfield. They have edgar's cantina obviously edgar martinez. Eggers edgar's cantina. But they also have dave niehaus way out. There is one st. There's sort of dave niehaus way and edgar martinez way and so there used to be. I don't know if these there used to be mariners. Podcasts called at the corner of edgar. In dave or maybe it was Maybe their newsletters and like that. I don't remember but yeah they called it at the corner of edgar and dave. That is pretty sweet. So that's pretty sweet like that. Yeah yeah it's awesome but let's go ahead and get out of here brig But actually before we baseball family. Send us your seattle mariners. Mount rushmore not a lot of you who've ever really paid a whole lot of ten to probably or cheered for but let us know if we got it right or wrong. Because i mean should the begin to be on there. Should dave niehaus be on there and place. Maybe you had. Alex rodriguez on there. I don't know despite everything whatever that's up to you. There's endless message in the mail bag catch new episodes of the baseball together. Podcast every tuesday.

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Pit Stop in Kansas City

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

41:16 min | 9 months ago

Pit Stop in Kansas City

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST is. The Baseball Tonight For Friday September Eighteenth Two, thousand twenty producing from his home studio in the foothills of Connecticut is Taylor Schwenk Buster only working from my home studio in New York I'll start out by saying it again. Thank you to the listeners for the tremendous support. This year is you talked about on the podcast yesterday our listener ship is up thirty percent year over year. Very exciting numbers especially in a year that has been so strange and it was no baseball for so long to get that kind of support is is so amazing. Some notes as we start today, the padres Mariner series for the weekend has been moved from Seattle to San Diego because of the air quality issues that we're seeing in Seattle, the dodgers reliever. Kayla Ferguson is going to have Tommy John Surgery. His season is likely over He the other day, Dave Roberts told reporters that the I had come back not very good saint. Louis Cardinals right handed to co two Hudson had to leave his start yesterday due to elbow tightness this course at a time when the cardinals are dealing with all these doubleheaders it. Really does feel like all the extra games they had to play in the aftermath of their shutdown have started to catch up with the team. The Indians had lost eight straight games going into Thursday but Shane Bieber stopper took the mound for them yesterday and he was terrific seventy two thirds inning three runs allowed ten strikeouts and he got help from Jose Ramirez. Here's the three to swung, and there's a high fly ball deep right field way back haul run Jose Ramirez. `nother two homer game for Ramirez as he takes my steep for the second time tonight at Wti am eleven hundred Indians win that game tended three bryce Harper had a big night against the mets and it was punctuated by this home run. The air to right field. Wa Forget about that. That is. Off. The facing of the upper. Four hundred forty five feet. His second home run of the game? The phillies lead five three. Yeah with the end of the day, the phillies would still be in as the eighth seed in the National League but Joe Girardi their manager told reporters yesterday jt Real Mutya will not be available through the weekend in all likelihood. So that's a concern for the phillies as they move through this completely wide open wildcard race. In the national, league, the Yankees have been on a roll and man therefore fourth-inning yesterday was a Walker Driven deep to right. Center, Field Very. Into the Yankee Fan. To run shot Gordon her and the Yankees now lead by the two. Major. Fights off fly deep. Right going back. God. Get out off home run for la you and it six to Yankees as they go back to back. Look for wraps one deep into. Right. Center Field Very. Took back to back twentieth home run for point and the Yankees are pouring it on as they lead seventy-two. High Fly ball right field there it goes they've done it again they said a big league record seventeen runs at three games and the Yankees lead ache to. Fly Ball deep left center. There it. Burke Labor. Torres. The bronx bombers flexing nine two. So, five home runs for the Yankees in that fourth-inning, they had nineteen home runs in a three game series. That's the most in a single series of any length in major league baseball history, and they crushed the record which had been held by the nine hundred and sixty three twit seventeen homers in a four-game series against the Washington senators. The Yankees Nineteen home runs the most for any three game span in Major League Baseball history the Tampa. Bay. Rays moving closer to clinching a playoff spot face the Baltimore Orioles looking to sweep doubleheader and it happened. Now the one to pitch on its way swinging a ground ball right side to do Brasil has it grows i. Raise. Wed. raise win for the second consecutive season the Tampa Bay rays are going to the postseason for the sixth time in team history as a high rise ahead shakes the Tampa Bay rays around in the postseason once again. That from the raise radio network and via MLB DOT com, the white sox and the twins, the score was tied to all in the sixth inning and a bizarre play happened. This. Deep down the left field line haul broad. Donaldson with a solo home run and the twins hit three against Lopez this afternoon and what a move by manager Rocco Ball Deli come out diffuse that situation that Donald said focus back in on what he's trying to do. And then the spark that he needed. Donaldson didn't Miss It. He tossed him. They just tossed Donaldson for kicking dirt on home plate as he crossed home plate. So now here comes Rocco Bald Elliot he's likely to get tossed to. Donaldson kick dirt on home. Plate as it crossed and Dan Bongino just kicked him out of the game. You see something you may never have seen before I have never seen a guy get thought out after hitting the home run. But. Obviously fired up. You. Don't like to see him getting objected but. To, have motion just gets the best deal. Yep, that's what happened. Just Donaldson didn't like a previous strike called made by whole played prior Dan Bongino and is he crossed on played he kicked dirt on on home. Plate. Beleno injected him at that point the twins held a three to two lead, but the white sox would come back. And he rips wound down the left field. So that's a fair ball under the Corner Sanchez turns third. He's on his way to the plate Bre-. You gets the stop sign at third another run US home, the white sox untidy. It's now four three here on the seven. The white sox with the lead that from wgn and that move the white sox to within just a handful of outs to clinching a playoff appearance. Swings and hits a high fly ball handle left Centerfield Lewis Robert he's there. He's got it. It's playoff time for the Chicago White. SOx. have. Qualified for the playoffs for the first time since two thousand eight. And they get a four three win here against the Minnesota. Twins. And take three out of four. FROM MINNESOTA WE'RE GONNA be talking about the White Sox is the number one seed in the American league with Jesse Rogers and we'RE GONNA be talking about that. Josh Donaldson injection is well as a conversation with Todd Radim the chief executive of our weekly quiz before it gets all that check out the latest episode of the low, Post Zach Lowe discusses the end of the clippers season in previews the western conference finals with TNT Stan Van Gundy who by the way is a huge baseball Fan Taylor I. Don't know if you knew that I was down in spring training one year and Stan saw me came over and it was like our conversation was him asking me baseball questions? Him NBA. Getting the behind the scenes talk may I think that sounds like an amazing podcast I love Stan Van Gundy that that could be good buster. You know what we ought to have mine. Let's do some observations from that. That actually would be fun. You can listen to the low post wherever you get your podcast. Jesse Rogers. Coverage Baseball ESPN A Jesse new. You're chomping at the bit on some particular thought because you sent me an email yesterday saying you had a thought about playoff strategy. Yes I get buster. So hear me out on this one I. IT involves starting pitching and who your top three starters are going to be. Let me use the White Sox as my example team that just got into the postseason they have to solid starters, Lucas, G, Lido, and Dallas, of course, the guy with the most experienced team in terms of October now. After that they've young guy staying dunning and doing he's good young starters. So this is my idea in the best of three. If you win game one with Lucas, G Alito. Would you consider starting to be less experienced pitcher in game two and saving Kaikal for a win or go home situation and game three if you win game to always sudden Dallas Tikal Opening the next round, you lose game to the guy that has pitched in the World Series Picking Elimination game any team with a young inexperienced third starter I. Think should consider that. What do you think? You know that's interesting and as you said that I thought, you know who we have on the podcast next week is Tim Corbin who's the head coach at? Vanderbilt because of course, in the championship round at the College World Series. That's the sort of quandary that they deal with all the time like how do you line up your best pitchers and you know it'd be interesting to get some insight with you. But I I like that idea you know where you roll the dice and hope that you can get it. You. Know I just pulling a team out of the mix. For example, you know the Yankees will start. Garrett Cole Let's say they win Garrett Game One with Gary Cole then game to go bullpen game and try to wrap it up there, and then maybe you've got to knock in the bag, and if you win game two with the bullpen game than potentially you could. Start to knock in game one and you're better setup that series but there's a lot of stuff I think that's going to happen with the starting pitching because of the fact you know in that first the first round is going to be three straight days but then later in the world series are GonNa have seven straight days. I. Really liked that part of this postseason. Yeah, that's really going to be different for executives and managers. When they set up, they've been so used to the off days. This is going to be really different is why around deadline I think I was on with you. I was harping on starting pitching the cubs had enough and I kept asking Jed Hoyer, did you go out look for more? That's why the clemens trade was. So huge my point being you absolutely need for more than ever in their pass to get away three. You've an extra around and you have less off days you need for starters And so back back to right yeah look. We always talk about the ninth is different right that's why you have to have a special guy in the mall and there's a closer elimination games are different to you need a special guy on the mound to take the ball on those and I. Just if you're one nothing, you have some some some ways to to work this. Now you're down one nothing you have to start Dowse Geico game to you have to start knocking game to obviously, but it's that up one nothing scenario I think team should should consider fuster. He up and I think they will. It'll be interesting to see how the different managers handle that how the the analytics department. Of Front offices handle that you mentioned that you feel like starts teams need to have four starting pitchers they're going to need five. Like. This is the first post-season because they're not going to be a lot of teams especially with these analytically driven front opposites who are GonNa be like, yeah, you know what? Let's start our number one on three days rest there might be some guys like a Garrett. Cole. You could see that you know Trevor Bauer B. All in on that like right away with the reds he'd be like I can I can throw all day but then there'd be other teams that wouldn't have that which is it's interesting that some of the teams that have the deeper rotations, the Minnesota twins come to mind actually at the deeper they go. They may have more of an advantage because they have more options. No doubt about it you're so right I mean that second round best to Fi- five straight days. Are you going to start your number one starter on short rest or go with your number five what a tough decision to make I take the of tea? My covered alice mills is their fifth starter. He just threw a no hitter. Okay. Now I don't know what he's GonNa look like two weeks from now but is he the guy in a game five elimination or is that you darvish one of the all world pitchers going right now on three days rest it is just Decisions, are GonNa be crazy when it comes to the Elimination Games. Right yesterday the biggest moment I think in baseball was when Josh Donaldson hit a home run for the twins to give them a lead in the game over the White Sox After he had disputed a couple of calls made by Home Plate Empire Dan. Baleno and his Josh Donaldson Cross on plate he kicks hurt on a beleno objects. Him Donaldson very angry about the previous strike calls and I gotTa tell you I love Josh Donaldson I mean. This is someone who has so much passion. For what he does, he really is one of the pioneers of the the launch angle generation but watching that play out yesterday I was like Dude you can't let yourself get thrown out of that game in that spot and I love Justin Moore No doing the the serving his analyst on the twins broadcast basically saying I've never seen that before guy hits a home run and he gets objected and on top of that, it's a big game for the twins as they angled for playoff seeding. Yeah I was watching it live as well as having my Second Cup of coffee in the afternoon I literally spit it up I could not believe he did and then, and then he came back you know when a couple of towards the dugout came back and did it again. So that that was a and look they got down after that. That was I think the go ahead run they were up, they got down his spot in the order came up in the eighth or ninth inning, and that was that could have been a difference maker they lost by run that was a huge little turn their when he. Did that. So a terribly selfish move from a guy that isn't known for doing that but obviously, he was frustrated it was a terrible strike call. There's no doubt about it but look you hit a home run should be water under the bridge at that point Big Mistake is like I said one run loss and is he came up in that later in the game responded. So I haven't seen many of those at. All right I mean it happens once in a blue moon but I loved it I gotTa Say I. Loved It. It was an entertaining moment to see a player kicked dirt on the On home plate after hitting a home run, here's my question. Does he he doesn't get one more day out of that right for showing up the umpire that that but that? Now I don't think. So I think that'll. I, think if there's any ramifications it, it might be in a nice way for me inside of his clubhouse like I would love to have been a fly on the wall yesterday. In the late innings and then after the game someone is respectful as Rocco daily a great team like Nelson Cruz Santa Josh, do we need you like we need you on the field and you're right the the call made by Dan Marino that he was most upset about was definitely outside the strike zone the other part of that that surprised me a little bit. He's like I got know Dan Bongino the empire who was involved in that he's like a nice guy. He's not a confrontational guy. He's not one of the Empire's who are in players faces all the time and so josh, really did kind of pick a fight with them. Yeah. If that's true and I don't know Dan then that that's that's Josh know that as well. Right. If you know that he's a nice that that that's really sticking it to a Nice Scott. You know what I mean. That's showing up a guy that I I it sounds like most people kinda like and and and whatnot. So very surprising to see that it may have cost his team McCain. Now we have no idea he could strike out that last at Bat, but it could have cost team game. because. The guys got home on power. Okay. The White Sox with that win yesterday they qualify for the play offs and here's a comparison that I wanna make that you are better qualified than anybody to to assess I feel like the two thousand and twenty White Sox who were at this point might be the number one seed in the American league are a lot like the two, thousand, fifteen cubs, a team you covered where they have arrived on the scene maybe a year sooner than what people thought. Yeah. That's a that's a good observation. I think a lot of people in Chicago feel the same way. I think there's some comparisons even to like you know they signed Dallas Kyko just like the Cup Sign Jon Lester as sort of a final peace number. Two to elevate your team there are a little too young maybe to go all the way, but you never know the cubs got to the. That that first year because sometimes you know you're dumb and naive about these things right what what's really impressive about the white sox buster is how matured within the sixty games they had a couple rough spots early when the cardinals came out of there Kobe. Situation they swept us the white sox and a double header, and it seemed like the White Sox weren't ready on all of a sudden when there were games like that possible letdown games they started to overcome. They weren't very good against right handed pitching. They were below five hundred against plus five hundred teams and the reverse those trends they've come up big and learned how to hit right handed pitching a little bit better and it's not all about home runs for them which was earlier. So there are some comparisons. It mostly comes just kind of maturing and and I can remember a series two, thousand, fifteen, the cubs against the giants in August that really elevate the member of the giants. The giants in the middle of their great run the White Sox have had a series like or to like that they just got through a huge one against the twins just grinding out these wins for series win. They also had a couple of against the Indians that they've played. So I do see similarities but but in this in this postseason, anything is possible and I mean if. Their offense shows up and we know it doesn't always Kober Sky's the limit for him I. I'm sure for enforced series coming up in the playoffs at some point you're going to have to rely on pitching and there is a lot of inexperience outside of Dallas in October and of course, game one if the standings whole is they are right now game on, they'd be facing Shane Bieber. Who's going to win the CY young in the American League in who knows what's going to happen at that point? The white sox could have this tremendous season of progress and run right into the pitcher. You do not WANNA facing the American League playoffs this Sunday we've got you darvish pitching against the Minnesota twins You know as part of my preparation I went back and read your story on Darvish and how he's made Progress I. I've talked to some other people and what I've really sort of gathered was that it was almost like coming off the two thousand seventeen world series where he was a starting pitcher and game seven you know he mentioned To two staffers and the dodgers before that game. Hey, are you sure you wanNA start me in? So many words he said that just before the start of the game you know they had Clayton Kershaw, they could theoretically gone to that day they wind up losing that game and what I've gotten back from a lot of people's they really feel like that. In some respects, he was kind of knocked back on his heels from the two thousand seventeen world series experience even after getting that big contract from the cubs and it took him a little while to get comfortable and and for lack of a better way to describe it recover from that experience. What's your take? Yeah I think that's part of it. I think there's two other things involved one in terms of his confidence when the Astros got caught cheating that Kinda helped him like a lot of people were on his side from that moment on right every it was everybody against the Astros Darvish Kinda got let up there. Okay. Maybe there was more at play than meet tipping my pitches. They were stealing the sign that was one thing that changed and also he got completely healthy finally in his mind and when you are healthy and have that kind of ability man, you can let it fly I think the most. Surprising thing or interesting thing for me covering Darvish these last few years you know sort of the second portion of his career buster is how sort of I don't insecure. He was even in Texas when he came over from Japan when he got even when he got his feet under start pitching won't Texas he's he said often up here with the cubs that this is the best ever felt or pitched like and he has said that early on in his cups career once you got past the injuries like Texas wasn't just he wasn't completely himself down there certainly wasn't himself in La now it can finally be himself and documenting the peace know he could pitch backwards now which in two thousand twelve, we wasn't really the norm he can work slow and he wasn't a lot really loud to. Do that back then. So there's just a lot of things baked into this thing with with him elevating his game having said that by the way he said to starts that have trended a little bit different. Now, maybe he couldn't keep up the pace that he was on last star he came out and said, he was terrible. He was got off all yet nothing having said that he lasted seven innings and that's the other big difference within buster. His floor for any outing is now much higher than it used to be either six or seven inning guy even on his worst days, and that is not something we saw early cups career. So the last time, we had the cubs, Sunday, baseball. Alex Rodriguez conversation about hobby or buys, and it just mentioned to me. So look you know there's there's no question. The no fans in the stands is a completely different experience, not only for for baseball, but for the players and not having the juice of having the the instant feedback from fans when you make a great play in one of the guys that I wonder if we talked about this that I felt like was potentially most affected was heavier bias like he absolutely someone who's built for a stage. Alex agreed with me. It is interesting in the last week. It feels like he's starting to turn the corner a little bit. What's your what you see in an? Yeah Ah. Let me say this. I. Don't a hundred percent agree with that. Obviously guys like that. Feed off the crowd for sure there's some elements to that but I think. The thing that he complained about the other day is more important the lack of ability to watch the at bats. In game to go back to the video replay room and watch and think about this with him in particular. Here's a guy that is missing swinging and missing it those outside sliders often. Don't you think it probably could help guy especially that that does that to go back and Hey oh my God I missed that by foot a misstep by two inches I gotta I gotta get back within myself. You're like I think the lack of in game video he replay affects some guys more than others and I think he's near the top of the. List the crowd certainly must affect is some guys more than others and maybe he's at the top a-list there as well but it will say early in this thing, he actually not applauded it but he's like well, we can communicate better on defense without crowded not so bad. So I, understand the idea of high energy guys missing the energy of a crowd that just. That makes sense but I do think there's some other things in play having said that look if on Sunday you seem going to right field whether inside outing pitch or just taking that outside pitching driving you to right that's the sign that is the sign I don't care if it's a ground ball through the whole sort of shift or inside outing doubles down the line that's what he needs to do obviously taking that out outside pitched to right or laying off of it is what makes him you know that's the Siamese coming out of he's doing that a little bit more. Starts and stops within buster. John Lester after his start the other day spoke pretty openly with you guys about feeling some emotion. Knowing that it might wind up being his last started Wrigley Field and never envisioning of course that would happen without fans in the stands. He the cubs signed him as they were beginning to turn the corner in the winter of two, thousand, fourteen, two, thousand, fifteen to a six year one, hundred and fifty five, million dollar deal. That's one of those the the small handful of deals that absolutely paid off for the team. In a big way where you can go back and say that that certainly was worth what a the investment was. Initially, we could say that about Max Scherzer and the nationals that that's the case how important you think. John in a he lived up his end of that bargain. Immensely immensely important He really has found a home here in Chicago and man that guy's got a lot of pride right what he has done just this season to turn things around a little bit because he had a stretch of four five games where who's kind of bad. I mean he really went to work and found some mechanical changes that needed to happen and he fixed it between starts from September six December eleven you fixed what was bothering him. Rest free agent signing the city of seen on either side of town Chicago cubs or white sox. One of the best in any sport in this town at least to live up to two six years to be the leader to help you win a world series ending that drought to leave money on the table, the giants were offering more money I mean he wants to come back and win number two hundred and it cuts uniform. We don't hear about. Win totals very often do we buster? This is a guy that wants to win two hundred. He's at one, ninety two he wants to do in a cubs uniform and then he hopes to get like a C- Sobat Pierre Kinda the end of his Yankees career. Let's give a one year deal and he hopes that happens but I'm not sure the finances of baseball and allow it to happen. He's a ten million dollar buyout. So salary has to start at ten. Million returns. So all of that is in play, but he lived up to everything if not more and I can't stress enough how much he's found a home near nothing against the process and red sox they drafted him has an affinity there. But this is you know like I feel like if he goes to the hall of fame, you might wear a cup yet he might WanNa, wear upset or whatever. The case may be this really home for him right now. In the last one before we you go, we got about a minute left I've been talking this week about how it feels like the playoff seedings generally speaking the American league really don't matter because you know whether the one seat of the eighth seed you get the best out of you got the best out of five. There's no real homefield advantage because they're not fans in the stands I'd say this I feel like the seating that currently stands which has the Yankees, the Yankees at five and the Minnesota twins at four that matters. Is that would mean those teams who play each other and the Yankees time after time after time the last twenty years a beating the twins I gotta believe the twins one place somebody else. I guess. So I mean you know you'll talk the twins players and say, well I wasn't here for most of those. But I I don't disagree with that thought I. think There'd be a lot runs scored in that game. In that series, I mean a lot a lot of home runs in that series. But you're right. That's that might be the one up I can think of that that you know they want to avoid just because the history of it all but I am so looking forward to next month I don't think we know what's going to happen I agree with everyone the dodgers look that world-beater spy foster festive three best of five I mean, no I two rows are going to be wild with no off days who knows what's going to happen injuries within series all sorts of crazy things. But certainly, the dodgers look at look like the cream of the crop in both leagues but there are contenders and certainly there will be some upsets. Jesse great to talk to you. Thanks for doing this. Talk to you soon, enjoy Sunday night. See A. Dodd Radim is the chief executive of our weekly, a graphic artists whose work can be on ballfields all across the world all around America, or you can go to his website, Todd Radim, dot com, and of course, he's the author of the book winning ugly which now todd is coming out of paperback Yester- have ugly ugly uniforms and just kind of a general overall history of the baseball uniform coming out in paperback September twenty-ninth wherever books are sold. Yeah. And I saw the couple people were tweeting at you the other day you had signed copies. And I know you well enough to know that that's something you would facilitate easily for anyone who asked. All right before we get to this week's quiz our ballpark study. This week is around the Ballpark in Kansas City Kauffman Stadium and I gotTa, tell you I have a very specific memory. This ballpark you know as my awareness in baseball was was formulating in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, three, I remember listening to the All Star game that year on radio and it was coming from Kansas City and They, made such a big deal about what a beautiful ballpark that was in everyone just raved about the waterfalls and You know how wonderful the place looked at night. Tell me about that. Ballpark. Bolster. You hit it right out of the chute here. It is a really different kind of ballpark. It's got that very sleek modernist design aesthetic and I think one of the things that's really noteworthy nineteen seventy-three. This is an era of concrete cookie cutters. The vet and Philadelphia had recently opened Cincinnati Pittsburgh we lump them all together, but the case was built specifically. For Baseball, and that's one of the things that makes it special is a suburban ballpark in a certain sense. It's outside of the city You know where the Oakland Coliseum for instance was eventually closed in same with Angel Stadium in Anaheim Kevin Stadium, you still can look out there and you know, yeah, you see the highway and you see that. Darren's hospital across the highway, but it has a strange defined sense of place. It's not a city Ballpark, but embraces that it's an outlier. So in a lot of ways, it's more like dodger stadium than any of its contemporaries right and it was built well and it's outlasted all. Couple of things here in the Ballpark went through very extensive renovation about a dozen years ago and you know. I think they did a pretty good job diminish the look of the place to some extent particularly the exterior with really clad in glass. It's a little bit of a different thing but the signature fountains are still there and those giant swooping sharp lines that form the upper deck. Those are the signature elements for KALPA stadium the angular light towers right and left and right fields really is a different looking kind of place and of course, you can't think about the K. without these things the the water and Fountain Display Kansas. City is all about fountains that giant logo scoreboard, which was up gradation HD dozen years ago I mean you know talk to me your buster That's twelve stories. I. Come on I? mean. This is. And I love the fact that they maintain the buck O'Neil legacy seat they have special person sit in Buck's seat to honor his. Him and his legacy and they have a really good hall of fame. They're so calvin. Stadium the summit up scores, High Gimme the fountains Gimme the gigantic logo give me the book seat those modernist lines it really feels like a different place and the last thing I would say buster is along the lines of what we talked about with regard to Angel Stadium. It faces somewhat of a murky future. The lease expires in twenty thirty one. There has recently been a change in ownership when the club which has not happened too often across history and there are rumblings of a move downtown. Wow That would be interesting boy I hadn't I haven't made any calls on that I. I'm going to have to after you say that I'm curious about what the future would be that Roy I I just love that place so much you mentioned the Buck O'Neil seats when I was covering the orioles and then it covered the Yankees when those teams would go in there, buck would be there every day he'd be talking to people behind home plate sometimes through the through the screen from from their first row of seats and Bucco Neil to me was like Vince, gully like he was such a big personality that I was afraid of him and I never. I think I said Hi a couple times but I was like embarrassed to like take up as time. 'cause I just. Wanted to talk with them. And I. Felt Like I. Don't know you felt is a red sox fan but I was so happy when they went to grass in that ballpark because for years that was one of those astroturf surfaces and those old royals teams actually had an advantage because they were really fast. They were very good defensively in guys like Willie Wilson Amos Otis in the outfield Frank White bought. It seemed like such a miserable place to play for players because it was so hot and when they put grass on there, it just made it feel a lot home here. Yeah I. Don't think you're wrong I. Think you know to me watching games from afar on TV It was part of that sense of place to me that carpet and boy those royal teams in the seventies late seventies, early eighties, world champions eighty powered Fred Yeah I mean how can you say without George Brett absolutely a newest as part of the whole thing. I know we're prosper time, but you got time for a quick Buck O'Neil story. That's here it. All right I knew buck. O'Neil you know I v our friend Bob Kendrick I did work with the new release Baseball Museum back in the nineties and I would see Bob Kendrick and Mr Book and Mister Motley out there all star games all this kind of stuff. So in two thousand, one in the aftermath of nine eleven I had. My stepfather passed away in New York at. Nine eleven but he happened to be there for surgery at the time and I have to take my mother back out to their home in new. Mexico, and waited for you know waited to get out of the New York area flights, of course, didn't happen for several days but I got her back out to New Mexico and I took his car back to New York. So I drove by myself from New Mexico back to New York to four days, and this is you know September eighteenth. Two thousand one seeing army trucks on route thirty five just so weird worlds right and in breaking the trip up a little bit a made a pitstop in Kansas City and spent an afternoon with with Bob Kendrick in book. O.`Neil. At the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum and They. They had apparently run a contest and blockbuster pure familiar and or listened to familiar with what that is like their these. Statues of Negro League rights warming a field. So this little kid five, six years old comes with his parents. They had won this contest and see Buck O'Neil out of the corner of my eye talking to Bob wanting the basis kind of pretend running the bases with this little five year old kid and I have to say buster it. Revived my faith in humanity in the the the the week after nine eleven and it just stays with me. I, think about him all the time. Oh, boy. Yeah. That's a great story and it's so so much of you know Bucko Neil anyone who's who saw Ken Burns Documentary Baseball buccaneers played such a big role that and if you watch him in that that that was him and he had such a big heart. Wonderful Person Thanks for telling that story. All right. Let's get to this week's quiz. Here, we go Royal Stadium Now Kauffman Stadium Are you called it they hosted the All Star game in the stadiums first season nineteen seventy-three here's this week's question. This ballpark hosted the All Star game just two weeks after it first opened. Was it a SAFECO field in. SEATTLE. The Riverfront Stadium in Cincinnati. See Toronto's Skydome for de Marlins Park Miami two weeks after the stadium opened hosted the All star. Game SAFECO field in Seattle Riverfront and CINCY Toronto's Skydome or Marlins, Park what is? Wow. I Ha-. Golly I. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead Taylor I have no idea. I'm GONNA give to. Skydome see. And that's what I'm GONNA go to. You're both wrong because it was riverfront stadium. In Cincinnati, in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. Imagine opening a ballpark and then two weeks later hosting the All Star game. See, that again. Now I knew it wasn't Safeco I. You know thought about Riverfront because knew played the All Star game there that of course was where Ray Fosse. Got Run over by Pete Rose Yes am I right Yup and that would have been it, and I completely blew it another opportunity typical for two thousand and twenty. Love what roles thanks, Todd. Thanks, Taylor. Please leave me alone. Thanks guys. Bleacher tweets. Already Ready Buster bleacher tweets for Friday. Coming at Ya. I one up we got Josh Neufeld at Josh Neufeld he writes in just curious this season we've seen some players who wear face coverings on the field and even while batting, but you know of any pitchers who have worn a face covering while on the mound I've not seen anywhere. What about you buster know and I've been in ballparks in what's guys through a bullpens I don't see it there either and. Look. This is apples and oranges, but I I went out yesterday to fairly crowded park, and so he's wearing a mask while I was running and that was hard like it was hard because you know you sweat and then your mask gets a little damp and then breathing becomes more difficult and I was thinking about that in the context that question Josh 'cause I'm thinking if you're a pitcher and you got sweat born down. You know you're having a hard time breathing I'm guessing that It's probably not something that we're gonNA. See before that because nobody is expanding more energy on a baseball field in any given time the pitcher. Next one got Jesse pruitt at Jesse underscore pruitt in is Freddie Freeman. At a disadvantage in the MVP race because of his position, he's leading the league in offensive war but gets no value defensively even though he's one of the best at first base that is a great observation Jesse and I don't have the numbers in front of me but I wrote last winter when I was doing a top ten ranking of first baseman in Freddy, Freeman wasn't. Number One that in recent years like in the last decade last fifteen, twenty years you've seen first baseman fare worse and worse in the MVP voting in part because teams don't really just keep one guy a lot of teams won't keep one guy is their first baseman they'll go with tunes they'll go with matchups they'll move guys around, and so you're not seeing as many first baseman as say, forty fifty years ago who were in the MVP. Right now he's got a legit shot As. We talked about yesterday with Peres feels like that Fernandez Junior, it was his award to win but his struggles in this month that have brought him back to the pack absolutely last one for today. Don Vine writes in after this law season, what will the nationals have to do in the off season to get back in the top tier of NFL teams? They gotta get another hitter. They got to get somebody to complement want. So somebody who's going to help protect wants soda in the lineup boy what a difference it makes to not have anthony ran down which we shouldn't be surprised about because ran down is probably the best secure hitter in baseball but manner they need another thumper cause want Soto. He's so good that moving forward he's is not going to get pitched to he's going to get to Barry Bonds treatment unless they wind up putting someone at least near him, that'll help give him more pitches to hit I. Wonder if the nationals have any buyer's remorse with the big Stephen Strasburg contract and not giving that money to anthony reknown. Yeah. My sense is after talking with people that ran down was kinda out the door on the other hand Stephen is made it clear that he really likes to play in Washington. So in remember, they were both represented by the same agent Scott Boris. Tricky situation there. All right everyone that doesn't for bleacher tweet. Thanks for writing in. Keep them coming over the weekend Hashtag bleacher tweets on twitter. Please subscribe to rate and review this podcast wherever you listen to podcasts tell friend as always. Thank you very much. That's it for today. That's it for this week. My thanks to Jesse Todd detailer have a great day everybody I have a great weekend stay safe and remember hate inequality based on skin color. Something we have to fight against every single day. Thanks for listening to the baseball tonight podcast. 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Ep. 249: Surrender the Sword

Tights and Fights

58:48 min | 3 weeks ago

Ep. 249: Surrender the Sword

"The park is not perfect. Wrestle off off ban everybody for your favorite wrestling. Podcast stomped fee every body for your favorite wrestling podcast. Welcome tights and fights the show that discusses wrestling with sincerity and hilarity. That it deserves. I'm invinci- how how lublin and i'm joined today by my fellow members of the nation of conversation omni dan daniel radford. Oh damn that. No spoilers but okay i guess i'll take it and adam lindsay leave lindsay coke. Hello how was that a sports reference that you introduce the show with. Was that sports. what what what. What would make you possibly believe that sports and feel like that's sports was mine and danielle's faces not known what it was that made me think it might be fun. Well i guess it's a song. I've heard twice in the last week because it's what's played at the wells fargo center. When the seventy sixers defeat an opponent we have a lot to talk about or post. Max fund drive. Were post break. There's a lot of stuff going on in the wrestling world. There's a lot of news but none bigger than what happened on wednesday night during the seventy sixers. Dismantling of the washington wizards the final score one twenty five to ninety five thousand a big. That's a big ass whipping right there. Where is hans. Embiid the greatest center in the game quiet nuggets fans. Yokich doesn't play. Defense has taken to celebrating this season and and the the nba tv commentator acted like he'd never seen it before in his life. Truth is beads. Do it all season long where he will complete a basket and get fouled and white up on the ground and on his back start pumping his hips while also taking his hands and accentuating his groin. Area reminiscent fencing crazy. Move of certain wrestling maneuver. Oh and he he confirmed back in. I think december january that it's because he's a huge triple h fan and that's his that's his dx movement so now that it's happened in the playoffs everybody's losing their minds. People people don't quite understand but but He's explained it now so people have have added him to the dax tight in toronto and he's tweeted about it saying if you're down with the process we've got two words for you and both shawn michaels and triple h have responded. So i can only imagine now a scenario my head where the sixers have won the title and embiid is given a wwe titled belt. Yeah like felt birsh again it now. It's the law. that's all i know about. Sports is if you win a thing you get a belt especially if you acknowledge. Wwe in any way they just wanna be look there. Mommy's very special boy and as long as you treat them as mommy's various special boy at youth knowledge them Then they're going to give you a shiny trinket for doing the acknowledged line did not come from nowhere. Let's pull straight from the playbook that's exciting. I'm so pleased for you. How i love it when to come together but it doesn't stop there because you can't extricate professional wrestling from from mainstream competitive sports. Yes it's different in that it is predetermined but there's an athletic a major athletic component to it. And so they're often mixed together and many pro wrestlers are either former athletes themselves or big fans of professional sports. And it's sometimes you don't know who wear different wrestlers loyalties lie however if you were to have watched game one this past sunday at the wells fargo center. You would have seen chuck taylor in his joel. Embiid jersey sitting next to freshly squeezed orange cassidy. Who's from an area of jersey right outside of the pennsylvania border so he basically like the reading area which is philadelphia fan territory so the two of them about sixers fans then. You've ricochet on programming wearing a ben simmons jersey. The greatest defensive player in the league jazz fans shut up. Gobert can't guard the perimeter. So yeah jazz. Fan nuggets in those giles's that's the west. Look i take this as a sign that what's been a difficult couple years for me. Maybe things are starting to turn around as my world slowly colliding. Come together go out. You love wrestling. You also love your philadelphia sports teams. We have put them together for you in a major way. And i'm i'm just that's the best development in pro wrestling and the last in the last seven days i else this philadelphia freedom in my head for you because that's my only reference point but i mean i love me happy and i want this for you. Thank you. I want this for you and how you have my guarantee that unless someone does something if if y'all if y'all do the thing i'm not going to jinx it if you do the thing unless someone does something super crazy i'm not going to bring up the other thing because you know what it's been a hard year and we all need to get our winds where we can ghetto unless they do it again in which case we will it up so many times again but it. Let's hope they don't. I'm pretty sure that we settled this. Awhile ago delio. We did it allowed. See there's no you cannot ring that bell you can't un ring the bell filipov that is not your anymore but i'm sure somebody will do something like like. Try to punch statue. Ben franklin and abraham. I'm just so happy for you. It's been a hard year and like watching your delight like it's at the point. Now where of course we have a group jet and we'll just keep putting stuff in the group chat because it makes albert so happy. Yeah that's right and you can buy your thrust the process shirt by the way that is a real t. Shirt that's out. There to buy weight rushed the process. Okay yeah because that's him it's him mistrusting his. Oh the the other thing about basketball and the way it relates to wrestling is aws programming schedules. Been thrown out of whack. Because there are generally several games wednesday they were game so awa dynamite was preempted and has moved to tonight so we have not seen a w this week because it doesn't air until tonight at at what is it julian midnight. It'll be seven o'clock pacific time straightaway after smackdown. So ten o'clock on the east coast too late. It's too late to show that now. I believe i believe. I believe you gotta figure something else out. I'm down to have a good reason to have not watched it this week instead of just being late. No no by comment. my heart can't take it last week. I was saying somewhere that had no internet. Oh tv so that was the greatest reason this week. It just wasn't on which was a fabulous reason next week. I'm going to have to be back to like if i can And that feels like the least professional reason. When you take into account this podcast so you know. I just don't have cable. Y'all i just i cut hordes because we were told that's what everyone was doing and now all of the the tv shows are making it hard for me to watch them except for annex t. My perfect baby child felt foam. Yeah about dinelson extinct has. That's why this is weird. Timing for a w to have these scheduling issues because we have double nothing happening this saturday. Which is tomorrow as of this recording. And if you're listening to episode the day drops it's happening now. Hurry here's the card when it go over it and see if there's anything that's that's that you're really looking forward to here. We have kenny vs pack versus orange cassidy for the world title if she'd versus bread baker for the women's title the young bucks vs moxley and eddie kingston for the tag titles pinnacle versus inner circle in a stadium stampede match and stings in ring return. Is there anything there that you are looking forward to. More than anything else would say their matches on this cod. That under any of the seconds dances who've made me go. Oh this'll be good. Matches like kenney orange cassidy. How is that not going to be a really. I mean. I say that. I remember saying this about kenny. And joel moxley mike. How will that be amazing. It's like well let me sit down past lindsay and explain this to you. That should be amazing. Sheet of us. Brick baker should be amazing. They should all be good apart from sting's in return which shouldn't be in existence. Let alone good. I'm just really struggling to find enthusiasm to pay money to watch these matches. Yeah i'm kind of right there with ya. I'm mostly look forward to sheet of versus bert baker. Yeah on paper. It all seems like it'd be good except for staying coming back. I just don't. I don't need it. I'm happy for the people that really love it. But i don't give up. There's a siren going through. Because if they on their way to stinks house. Stop the match by god by god. Yeah i just don't give a shit about staying. I'm so sorry. I know that that makes me you know. But i just don't care about her in day sting But she did percents baker. that sounds. That's exciting could be a good time going to be a good time that one by genuinely looking forward to so the. It's time for rick baker's coordination and more than that. It's time to get that title off of off of shida out state like transcendent wrestler. Yes but being good at wrestling it accepted. Very few cases doesn't really constitute personality that that draws people in like i there are a lot of people who may not be as good as her in the ring but because and this is not her fault at all but when when the creative team behind the product doesn't really tell me too much about her or tell me why i should like her other than she's real good in the ring it's like there are a lot of people who aren't as good but are way more compelling as as characters and that is i think at a at a human level what attracts us to the product. They're all they're all doing things that we can't physically do that. A an amazing athletic aspect to all of them but the characters and the personalities and the conflicts that come out of of them being mixed together is what's most compelling. I mean you know i love shida and you don't know how so we see the because i would want to do anything and sure. Whatever speeds do but i do think a. It's time it's time like it was time for you to drop one. I would watch you do anything. Do what she did. Forever and ever and have a champion in my heart the rest of her life but it was time for and it's time for cheetahs but i just think she has been such a victim of the women's booking. Let's let's call it what it is. It's you know. She's not on tv regularly. She's not building up any feuds of note because she's not getting any storyline time and then not trying to give it to her then not attempting to do anything. I feel like they realized they had something with brit. Pretty early on. And then it's just been a holding pattern until they can do something with her because of the see she was injured out for a long time and they just never really bothered to grow. Anyone else is like oh they know they have stat scotland. They can rely on and then she went out in june. They knew that they can rely on and she was out injured. They went hard on nyla and then just dropped her and that kind of went away and then it was like oh no she you grow. That's going to be a story line. I was like well. No not really because she needs to be on tv together storyline and then at the heart of that you have this super super talented awesome champion in shida who is right there to be blown up into the world's biggest baby face. She's got the look she's got the music she's got the talent she's got she's really got that rainbows yukon smile bailey energy to me like i. I don't know how to the charisma of her. That i find very compelling like. I like to watch her. I like to see her. It's like an op. She's like op. Part of a w for me that they just decided. I didn't need to see regularly enough to care just i. I know we have other stuff to discuss. You do not need to speak perfect english and you can. In fact cut promos in your native language and people will still. They will get it. Yeah oscar yes. But we'll management allow it do management. Trust it as awa say different to someone else who might be making those decisions Weekend and week out we see the influence of that other companies learnings and teachings echoed through. Cody who you know. And tony mayo. May not whether they like it or not be the more rightful heir to the throne of that man. They want to believe you know. It's just all the it's all you see every week so let's hope that changes and we see something different. They're going to be a lot of good matches awa delivers in the ring. More often than they don't. So what about in the stadium. Do they deliver. The stadium will be another horsey. This is only question the only heads up on. They should have to wrestle while on horseback if you will or have them do it in pamplona during the running of the both why not. I would pay so much money. What's jericho run with the bulls. I would pay so much by or at least the tomato fight right. At least it would line see orange cassidy and the tomato fight. That will be fun. Did we talk about in our in. Our text thread the jericho and the rock putting each other over on twitter to that. Come up. I think so. Good those a really nice little moment jericho. I say like if you don't think the of the greatest you're more on basically like that and the rock going. I appreciate it. You're also one of the great sweet. We toured up together. We had fun and that was it. That's enough was anyone theorist people who are as a wrestler. He wasn't you proficient again. It's not the wrestling skilled storytelling ability and nobody told a story like the rock debt. On it come you know i. He's got it all he's got it all. We'll speak stories on raw. One of the emerging stories is kofi kingston back in the main event. Titled picture somehow mixed in there with drew mcintyre bobby lashley and not quite sure where it's going but i kind of like that. I don't know that. I have no idea where it's going. I like drew being like will. I guess this is what i come out. I like the. I've seen the soda lot to so. I mean i don't ever want drew out of the paycheck as soon as they take throughout the title patriots gonna have to surrender the sword. That upsets me right. He's going to have to give it back to the props department and then it's going to be on an episode of wwe's most wanted in thirty seven hundred liqun romance novel surrender the sword. We find it at thought of the glasgow. Tgi fridays i wanna read the back cover. Blurb foods are under the sword where he leaves it in a tgi. Fridays in glasgow. I've got time for that. I'm on a deadline. But i not get out this weekend. Let's see i. I love seeing kelsey. Do kofi things so i'm okay with it. I always wanna see koffi koffi So yes i do. Wonder i am in a bit of a light. what what. You're doing With roy at the minute but not in a negative way. Which i usually am you. Don't well let's say no more negative the normal I'm not like they don't know what they're doing like. Oh we're in the play time period of let's figure stuff out before summerslam so sanjoy. Yeah we're trying to a lot of different things on. But at the same time the fatal four way with biggie and apollo and sammy zane and kevin owens for the title was you. Could you could have made a main event pay per view with that so good and even at the ending having alastair black finally come out of the out of a gathering house to attack. Don't program with them is really like it's a great way to extricate big e from the icy title picture because he doesn't really need to be in there. I think he's done what he needed to do. In in that title scene. And let's follow. Move on to have a have a different feud was like that was a great establishing feud now you have to build off of that and it also is a great way to bring ulster black to have him return and be in a meaningful program. Didn't even bring any of his cats. He managed to bring the meaning on his own. So impressive. so impressive on the good for him looked so good in that match. He's a really good. Everyone in that matches is really good news just in a but for all of us houston restless. All good even when showed on television. So yeah it was. I just feel like you couldn't put those four people in a match together. I'm throw alison as well and have it not be great. It reminded me a lot of the ricochet all the stuff that's been happening on main event. Like oh what shockingly news that. These two great wrestlers having great matches makes me so happy when we when we see it. 'cause sometimes we're not allowed to see it because sometimes these people are kept pot a so. It's nice it's nice unloved finds itself and sometimes if you work hard and spend a long time and wwe finally when title linked to meena. Did winning the tag titles with natalia. But it seems like they're they're still not done with nyah jax and shayna baszler that is continuing. What do you want as fans out of out of title. run from to meena natalia. I'm okay with them. Being transitional champions. I just want them to stop biting and shayna ever. I want it to be like a contract stipulation. That then never allowed to fight them again. Is need nine shane to break up like posts. I know it looks like that's on. Its way that dig. God that end it now please. No more reginald. I i know him start fighting dudes get him out of now. I'm sorry i'm done with him. Making our women in our women's champions look bad like reginald shane. As a bad book it fills me with dread the idea of reginald shayna fills me with absolute dread. Shayna should not not be dealing with this. She should be out there breaking women's arms off and taking people apart into tiny tiny. She should not not wrestling. Oh god no go away. My right vegas is open. Reginald get yourself back get self back. I'm sure love needs. Somebody in there can go in there and be the sergeant pepper. Whatever ryan gonna be the only wrestler in disarray. Go reginald get you send back some you know. We talked about something that you didn't like lindsey. Let's talk about something you did. Like which was getting shot at the title match. He wrestled roman reigns at at wrestlemainia. Backlash pardon me but came up short. Yeah how are you feeling. It doesn't feel like he's done yet. I loved the match. I thought it was super fun. I thought he was great. I loved his mouth guard. More than life. Itself vampire swamp here. I just love him. I was sad that it was just like a clean win. Then i'm like oh just lost. That's disappointing because it felt like. Oh well you know you had your chance and now it's done but it does seem like you know he's in this great program now says i can't get over those outfits man. I know some people. Like i love it and i love that people love it. I want people to love it. And i'm actually sat here. I've do some reorganization at home. And jeff found a bunch of stuff that had accident accidentally. She says in inverted commas dropped behind a bookcase. You know when you let you don't have a place for thing you don't really want to see the thing but you can't get rid of it because someone boy of us so then it accidents falls bind bookcase andrea bed for. We found this gift. That jeff vote for me when we started dating which is a ww battle. Part of that is a twenty four team. Everybody you can't see it. But you have. You have a post shield break-up dean ambrose and rollins who's carrying he has two-tone hair and he's carrying the money in the bank briefcase the amber cobra kovac. Yes oh that's flowers for our generation. Yeah but he didn't know because he was like you love russell's that i was to start. I saw this boy. If you and i was like oh i hate i hate him right. Your nice yeah like i appreciate the gesture. We're married now so it's okay but yeah. I look back at that that. Seth rollins that i'm just like i'll take it please. I don't need the suits in the scillies. I don't love suit silly. Seth rollins i like brutal manipulative. Sneaky sly seth rollins. But i know they. You know you can't have him. Being manipulative sneakers lie when romans being manipulative sneak in his life. But silly outfit seth rollins. This is not for me. This is a parenthood. Man does does stuff to you does to you. I feel like it's a sensory suit creatures for the child because the baby is still so young it can only discern bold patterns and bright colors. So maybe that's where this came from like a baby einstein suit. Just give me all this azzaro. And i'll be quiet as long as i'm getting muscles. Rr will shut my mouth and say thank you very much nuts. It seems to me. Maybe he'll never hold the title but he has a better chance at doing it now than he ever has because the two of them have done a really good job of making him into a main event guy which he has never been in. Wwe love him out so much. It will be such an easy win even if it was just for a minute to think of the t shirts you would sell for the two weeks that you allowed him to be champion like come on. Just gimme gimme that two weeks. Give you that shirt i want. I'll buy it. I won't even wait till it's forty percent off. I'll i'll just buy it. Please visit full price price lindsay. Who price well. Maybe twenty percent off. But i wouldn't wait for a bug off. I would definitely purchase it closer to its full price most of the price. If you've got any thoughts on all the wrestling events of the week find us on the social channels in our show notes can find that when we come back. It's time to talk about one of the most shameful feuds and wwe history team that's next on titan five somewhere between science and superstition. There is a podcast. Donald is and say she's a demon. She says she's the devil himself. That thing is not my daughter. And i want you to tell me. There's a show where the hosts don't just report on fringe science at spirituality but take part themselves and its own. Oh rawson carry on maximum fun. This year we actually became certified exorcists so yes. Carrie ann i can help your daughter or we can just talk about it on the show ono rawson carry on maximum fund dot org ball. I'm how today by health this week. We're going to give one corner of the wrestling world some extra attention. This is our main event. It should always only get longer always only get longer until entire episode until it's literally like welcome to tights and fights and then that's and then we do the three count. And that's all i wanted to be julian. I think i think that's the julia next week. Can we add. We're live pal to the m sure we can thank. Thank you booker. T. recently got an a documentary on his career and surprisingly one thing that did not get discussed was his first shot at the wwe world championship against triple h at wrestlemania nineteen. Now this was in two thousand three near the start of the ruthless aggression era danielle. I don't know. I don't think you've ever mentioned this. But now weren't you in at the wrestlemania which is live from safeco. Field in seattle await was i. It's so crazy. I can't imagine i've ever i feel like i wouldn't have at least mentioned it once but i don't think i've ever said anything about it. I was at this one wild. I can't believe you've never told this there. There's a a fan who also claimed to be in attendance and on twitter said that when booker lost you could hear a mouse fart and safeco field. Is that your memory. Do you have memories about this specific match and the reaction after it Yeah i it just i. It happened after that pedigree and it does that moment was like aaa just kind of threw his arm over. And from what i remember. And let's keep in mind. It was at a live event. So i was partaking if i remember correctly At least in the area that i was in everyone was pretty shocked. Because it just seemed and we'll get into this like booker t. Was gonna win or at least not lose that way. Yeah a remember. I remember watching. I remember the entire program as soon as julian. Pitch this like a god. I have to go back like mentally. Have to go back to it and i and sometimes sometimes when we have these i'll i'll skim through stuff. Sometimes i can just do it from memory this one. I felt like all right. I'm going to read everything that. Julian said his research. I read i watched it just to be primed for. Let's let's set the stage at this point booker. T. had been wwe for a while. He was one of the i. W w w guys to join showing up the main event of invasion and running in during the match and also became one of the biggest names to not you know he didn't have a contract to wait out. He was the basically the biggest star in w to make the jump into the wwe roster he'd been tagged champion with gold dust which was red hot program that ended too soon and became the number one contender for the championship. After after triple h had defeated scott steiner twice. They had a battle royal to determine the number one contender and booker t. one by illuminating the rock. Which of course big deal at that time and then everybody heard this music. Can you dig it sucks. Do you remember the fire like awesome. I love this entrance so much. Just god-like especially god the flame. Pyro remember nobody else like had fire. That was gave his normally like a cane thing. God when booker did it. It was so cool frigging awesome. I was when the bad bunny song bucket. T was not just that ahead. Stop a charity box. I love that guy you up it. What a chance missed. There are a ton of different ways to build an angle and build interest and and create conflict and pull us in and with with a character aaa chew was getting into his. I'm the new rick flair right down to having referred him. This is a few months. I think before the beginning of evolution. I think evolution was was later on in the spring that that that kind of started. But you also have one of the hottest wrestlers in the business booker. T. going against him and the way they chose to create conflict was through racism. I nothing like a little light. Racism to spice up a storyline in elliott's wrestling. Is i mean at any wrestling. Andy wrestling but wrinkle on salt bay. Just a little bit of racism or they did that with harley race. And ron simmons in wcw and the the end of that. Was ron simmons becoming the first black man to win the world championship. Maybe the first black world champion Anywhere at least in. Wwe at that that they always make a wcw time mainstream televised. That was now had to at least be very rare. That was a very yeah. That was a huge deal. But in this case. I feel like we're building the match like let's start from the finish and work our way backwards because that ending is such a. It was so unsatisfying and is the reason why a lot of people disliked triple h just this whole period. Where instead of building stars he just put himself over and like it felt like he was chasing his own legacy. And i don't know who's influences. Where or what or who is responsible for the creative. So it's i can't. It's impossible to to pin this to any one person or even a group of people but it's bad visit. It was bad the the fucking commentary. It's so bad jerry. The king lawler is so bad fan. What is it about his background. I respect book. The irish triple eight never met tape. It's basically like throwing out all of his. I mean normally in a non racist angle. His jokes hit like two percent of the time. Two to five percents very very generous. The percentage of giving them the feeling generous deducted and in this one it's negative it actually retracts some of the good jokes. He has made in the past ashley. Reabsorbed them a gated their effect. Yeah yeah just so. S growth gross in like. It's a good reminder for everybody that you would have watched us in gun like well. That's wrong because racism is bad but not even pay attention to like. I forgot the commentary. forgot entirely. Well done congratulations. I won't you would that. We all had that power to just forget commentary. Julian maybe watch it so now. I remember leads full. It's weird isn't it. Because i wasn't watching wrestling at this time. This is my out period. And the more i lead about this period of the more i go back and investigate specific storylines the more pleased i am that i did not have to suffer through the stuff. 'cause you know there's part of me and i've read stuff. That bucatini has said recently and stuff that he said about. Listen and that's part of me that wants to believe bucatini. That was no racist if people go back and put racism on it. And i'm like maybe which is looking at through a new lens and context is key and things are different but then i realized i sound like my great aunt who lives in another part of the country and has different pigeons to me. Because you can want to believe those things and it does not make them. True and booker t. can say them even though he is the party here and it can still not make them true. It can still be untrue. It's how can you watch it and not take away the feeling that everyone has what they watch it. That's a weird. That's the weird thing is watching it and seeing anyone defend it and say no. You're all just look at it for a crazy. Twenty twenty one. Whoa lens and you see things that they're like i Book booker t. Can feel how he feels about it but it you know we call wrestling. Art and of wrestling is going to be art. Once you put it out into the stratosphere it is no longer just yours to interpret and it's no longer just yours to like it gets taken into consideration when it's no longer yours to say like. Oh it's fine. This was fine. Everything was fine it was. You can't have someone will listen to all of the stuff you can't have someone say the shit that triple h said and be like. That's not racism you know like you've just it's racism right jelly because it is what people can feel about it like about how they wanna feel. But as someone i will say. This wrestlemainia was one of the last time that i was an active participant wrestling for years upon years upon years and this was not an insignificant contributor to that like not at all. Here's some of of that initial promo. After the battle royale was the following week. This is unreal booker. Somebody like you doesn't get to be a world jam and look up and down to be a competitor here to be an entertainer. That's would you do you entertain people hell entertain me all the time. Go ahead wjr entertain do a little dance for me book. Give me one of those spin. Rooney's book dance and it pained me. That's your job. And when you get there you're gonna do what people like you always do. You're gonna lose yeah. He basically told him to stuck in jive. Sorry yeah and then also brought up his nappy hair and his his actual real life criminal. History came from a from a disadvantaged community in houston and made bad choices but then pulled his life together. Which i mean that's like the great the guy is i had the honour of monitoring. Qna for him and he not only like just not only was he really open and willing to talk about anything but like and you could see why he was so good at wrestling because he's so he has such a great mind for it and it's just like a smart guy in general but also just kind and gracious and anybody in the world who who has a rough go and gets a second chance and is able to create a better life a better life for themselves. He's like there's a there's a not humility but like a great gratitude there and he seems like he lives his life in gratitude. Which is which is great but this bullshit is and if that's the way he if if he feels that way then good for him but it doesn't mean it certainly doesn't mean that it it can also affect a bunch of people and not only be just racist prima facie but also also deals with the even if they could say a we were just talking about he has criminal. Background is nothing to do with the color of his skin. Bullshit it it absolutely does. Because that's the united states of america. I don't remember criminals instinctively. being noticed. good dances so i. i don't know. I don't remember that being a stereotype that i grew up with but i grew up in england so maybe it was different. I don't know i don't know. And hey guess. What aaa i have. Nappy hair you piece of shit at least like at this point like i'm talking to the character obviously it's whatever. Wwe you piece of shit. Like i have nappy hair. I you know watching a black entertainer and especially someone who is unambiguously fucking black. It's not like we've had a champions and other people who are mixed race booker t. Is black like he is a black man and fucking fuck. You like suck my dick. Wwe for that to be like you know. Oh with your nappy. Hair i love. I love my nappy hair. Beautiful underneath these goddamn wigs. This is why Doesn't get to just blanket. Say it was racist right because it's like it's not only his reaction to it. That's that's the issue. It's like he can feel his way. But you gotta know what you're putting out in the world you gotta know what you put out there and you can say what your intention was behind it at the time but when you get reaction like that from your fans from people who have paid money to go and enjoy this and that's how you making them feel like you've got to take responsibility for that. Surely she says everything to me as a question with wrestling is am i wrong am i not wrong. I'm not right because someone onto it'll be like no you're a fool. It was dot racist. It was wonderful. And then i'll have to bend my phone but that's going to be the fullest time. I've heard that provo this week. Because we've been we've been watching it and talking about it and it never gets less painful. It never gets more digestible every time you hear it like oh my god. They said that on television. Are you serious hunter. Hearst helmsley said those words there but pressing like four months after katie vick. Katie vick was the fall. Two thousand two had to look it up and see like was this was this a steppingstone to katy. Vicar was katie steppingstone to this and katie. Vick was a stepping stone to this. So it's a lot easier like sometimes it's okay to take the l to say. Hey i we were wrong. We thought we could press these buttons and we exploited something for the purposes of a wrestling angle that we shouldn't have exploited and also the message that you get from that angle is like well. The racists will always win. This is the big bad racist had lost and gotten his ass kicked. We may still wouldn't be acceptable. The language used would not be okay but at least we would be looking back on it. Now go like you know. Maybe we'd be looking back on it and that alone you and instead we're just like wait. Wait what in any lost weight. What run that pass me again. It's it's the sum of its parts are somehow even worse than everything that went into it. Like holy shit. I'm trying to find a way to enjoy this and it can't be done. It cannot be done. There is not one. Yeah it's one of those things where it winds up being. You're you're pushing buttons and it winds up being so bad that it it winds up for me being go home. He it's not like oh well this is heat on triple h because you know. He's this dude. And he's saying these things no one's being i don't wanna watch the product anymore. If that's what you're going to. I watched the shipper escapism. You know And so i think for all of us. We thought well if he wins his he's got a winokur that right then at least it will have been worth. It will not worth it but at least it would have been like it makes sense. I would have been a a satisfying cathartic and to the storytelling and instead it was it was not instead it was not yet it turns out. You can't trust debbie with delicate fucking issues not known for their abilities on the political spectrum. Fatalities newell stories with political meaning. The match was a good match. The finish kills the match. It's too talented performers right. I mean say what you want to triple. H he's gone through ups and downs and maybe wasn't as people. Whatever you wanna say triple. Eight can put on a great match booker. T. can put on a great match. It should be a great met with all the fire and the heat going into it should be a remarkable match. And then you got that finish. So yeah i mean we have people in our own community who talk about a reseda. They both came out of looking worse and people who similar to you. Then you'll get turned off from the product because of this there is a time to provoke. And they're about their things about which you can provoke and it's always gonna skate too close to a line. This is not something that wwe needs to do something for them to exploit. And you're only going to lose fans even like you're publicly traded company at this point and you're engaging in something that is only going to lose you fans what why. Why would you do it. Why would you do this because your name is. Vincent mcmahon controversy in button. Pushing like you said you look at something like the edge matt hardy and lita storyline. Where it's like. You took an incredibly personal painful incident in three people's actual personal lives. I knew made a story line. You know it's cheapen it's tawdry in. It's unpleasant and it seemingly like a lot of people it really damage matt hardy's career and his mental health. It looks like it was very dark to do it. It push a lot of buttons but it was three individual people who presumably all agreed to be part of that storyline whether they you know to discuss whether or not. She felt like she had a choice to be how she was portrayed in it and there was slut shaming involved in it. The whole thing is very dark messed up but it was a personal choice of the three people involved. This story light is like you literally took racism and said ago with this. Let's let's see what we can get out of this and it's like i don't think they should be the same discussion in the same kind of meeting you know you don't say can take these three peoples agonizing personal experiences and make a story out of it and have it be the same conversation as like. Yeah but what about racism. It's not the same thing it's it's not the same thing. It's probably not something you should expect for ratings is what i'm saying Vince if we fear if you listen he's not listen. So that's cool. There are similarities between this program and the kofi kingston story line on his path to the wwe championship which was a better executed angle and kofi one so there was a good payoff. It's very difficult to look at this at this wrestlemainia nineteen angle any any way of the negative including the fact that that booker lost if booker had one just trying to imagine that scenario do you think do you think people would talk about the angle as much I still still. Yes but i do think that it would have been a band aid if he wanted at that point. He was so huge. I mean again. It's it's trying to go back in and see the genie's already out of the bottle but At that point he was so huge that maybe it would have felt cathartic if you won i. It's hard to say. Because i wasn't given that i think that looking back even if you would have won with our woke twenty twenty one glasses or whatever i think definitely we all would have been like. Ooh that was still not a good idea. Probably didn't need the say. A lotta those words by now it will will never know because they didn't pull it off the way that could have at least helped them instead of what completely hurt them. Yeah especially with me as a fan. It's like hard to talk about because it's like this again. It's another example of this thing that i loved like doesn't love me back. Yeah i just think if boca wins it. Changes entire career trajectory right. It pushes him in a completely different direction and takes into places. He wasn't allows him into spaces that he wasn't allowed into as the storyline so rightly pointed out. Yet is such a huge. What if it's such a massive. What if how would it have changed wrestling. How would it have changed the careers of other black wrestlers. How would it have changed where he went to. Does it affect his king of the ring run. You know it really just asked so many questions up feel like it would have been a good thing but just wild to think how much of an impact it could have had on wrestling at that time if you look only at like what. His career was after that point. If you didn't know that existed and you saw the things like title holding but then what he did after which included i think. He held the icy title a few more times. Us title again. Then he became world champion. Like you would go. That was a really good career which just goes to show how great he was and still could have gotten their higher heights that he never hit. But we want to hear from you. Not here in this podcast. We can't hear you if you're yelling at. You're listening device. You're wasting your breath and hurting your vocal chords talk to us on our social media channels and you can find those in the show notes when we come back. We've got three things from the world of wrestling the you should know about. That's up next on tights. Hey everyone it's i john. Parliament of the judge. John hodgman podcast. And i elliott kaelin of the flop house podcast and we've made a whole new podcast. A twelve episode special miniseries called either pontius which we recap discuss and explore the very famous nineteen seventy. Six bbc miniseries about the called i. Claudius we've got incredible guests such as gillian jacobs. Paul f tompkins as well as star of. I claudius sir patrick stewart and his son non sir. Daniel stewart hillary. Daniel get there someday. I- podcasts is the name of the show every week for maximum fund dot org for only twelve weeks. Get him at maximum fun dot org or wherever you get your podcasts dies and welcome back tights and fights on how loveland i'm joined today by and lindsay calc this week. We want. End the show by sharing sums the joy of wrestling with you. This is the three count we do have our usual things to put over but we also want to make sure to give a special shout out to max members who saw fit to send some money our way at the higher levels of contribution like barron aaron to your duma shannon pratt snack tap or net. Baudry mike the whole damn show. John your despair. Oh valero josh rumbling and someone so hot take your shot and dot. dan. Valero put you on a stretcher. Fletcher direct read a the hit lady. Heart jeeves fun before the stunned gun. Now then let's get to the three count. Danielle what would you like to put over. I didn't realize the director of loomis could actually draw. Y'all i didn't realize that this was a thing. It's a thing that i just found out. I'm sure that all of you knew already Extra was posted a picture of indie. An him where he's got a knife stab in his heart with what coming out of it in. It's it looks amazing. I thought that it was like him. Re posting a photo of some like a different of a picture. Like a fan hadron. So i was looking for the credit so that i can find it and then i was like wait. Did he actually draw. This and i googled does dextra. Lummus actually draw any. Does this art style. So i'm assuming that he drew this So give it up Miss he posted with a broken heart emoji. Get-well-soon with your broken heart but also I i just love when wrestlers show us their different talents. They all have different things that they do in other passions on that made me really happy and maybe obvious. The drawing made me sad but his skill made me smile. So give it up for dexter this a check him out on dvr lindsay. I am going to put over putting over sad news but it sad news with a happy ending I i would like to offer by condolences to alexa bliss. And buddy murphy on the passing of their pigs on larry steve. This week which. I know a lot of people saw on social media and ryan cabrera pig step. I guess that's the thing that st- wrestling is weird. You guys but yet we we've enjoyed. Larry steve's adventures the stories of larry steve since his arrival at the alexa bliss formerly alexa bliss slash buddy murphy household and it was sad to see larry. Steve passed away but what was lovely. I felt. I don't know if anyone else had a couple of thousand life the other like i apparently did alexa. Bliss ran and instagram. Live to raise money for a pig. Sanctuary for wildlife refuge an animal refuge and made like over fifteen thousand dollars. Nice to raise over fifteen thousand dollars during the live which a lot of special guests. I saw sarah michelle gellar post about it. That's how i found it. I don't even want to know how those two wells overlapped. I just want to know that they did. She's a huge wrestling fan. Yeah i mean. I know freddy prince choosing to believe it's actually buffy. I'm choosing yeah had their own relationship. Freddie didn't even know about it. That's what i to know. Just don't want don't want to be involved with its. I just want buffy to have had a one warm relationship with that big but it was. It was really lovely and just really great to see a ton of money getting raised for a good cause in the light of a sad event. Larry 'let's repertoire. Steve raise a lot of money over his as times. He did manual charity walk. He he was a pig. He was in the style of babe and wilbur. A good pig. So i say to. You larry steve. That'll do pig that'll do. Yes larry steve may his memory be a blessing to alexa and her family. I gotta go back to the sixers. Somebody i gotta go check out the person who is smart enough to edit joel embiid into the dx tight and trod. I'm putting over that tweet. it is. It will be available as a link. Rewatch this special sound to it. But it's just a moment pure joy and we all need those in our life. That does it for this episode of tights and fights this week your host with danielle radford and lindsay. Calc along with me. How loveland who you can see. June twelfth. In all new thrilling adventure hour live show and tell virtual show you get tickets at. 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Amazon's real HQ2, Iowa tech fallout, AR at the ballpark

"Can we expect to see in a are Alaskan way viaduct if you turn your direction that'd be pretty awesome actually pie welcome to Geekwire. I'm geekwire editor Todd Bishop and and I'm geekwire civic editor Monica Nicklesberg or Monica. I'm looking forward to the discussion this week. We've got drama. We've got politics. We've got tech big companies. It's going to be a good a week. There's a lot to talk about all right so we are coming to you from choir in Seattle where we report each day on. What's happening around us in Tech Science and innovation as I'd like to say what happens here matters everywhere and every week on this show we get to talk about some of the biggest and most interesting stories? We've been covering coming up this week. Amazon was on H. Q.. Two might be closer to Seattle than you think what the Iowa Caucus APP debacle means for election technology elsewhere including Seattle title and the King Dome is coming back. Thanks augmented reality. That's GonNa be a fun discussion. I I need some baseball in my life with all this rain out there Monica. It's been a minute since we talked baseball. All right. So that's coming up in the last segment of the show but first let's talk. HQ To we're still talking about HQ to Monica. It's truly unbelievable. All right there were a couple of different stories this week. One of them a piece of news today about Amazon expanding and and really increasing. Its ambitions in Bellevue Washington. And then a really interesting story that came out from Bloomberg News earlier this week. The wet behind the scenes of the H Q to do decision making process such as it was. But let's start with Bellevue. What happened Amazon announced that it's going to grow to fifteen thousand employees in Bellevue L.? View in the next few years the phrase they used we tried to get a more exact time estimate but they wouldn't give it to us but that's a huge amount to grow. I mean let's say it's five years that's a big big big jump. They have two thousand employees now up from virtually none two years ago. And it's really starting to make Bellevue. Look like the true h q two after everything that happened in that search. There's some code words that you used in their first off Bellevue. Where the heck is Bellevue for people who aren't from the Seattle region? It's about ten miles from Seattle across Lake Washington and traditionally. It's been home to some other. Big Tech giants like expedia though they're moving to Seattle and it's the Eastside area. Our Microsoft calls home as well so they have about two thousand employees there currently as you said that's up dramatically from only a handful a couple years ago in Bellevue and and they are announcing that they're going to be expanding dramatically and when we're talking about H. Q.. Two though isn't that in Arlington Virginia. And what is this plan. Plan to expand in Bellevue. Say about where the real. HQ To actually is. It is in Arlington Virginia. And that's still the place that Amazon says the most growth with is planned. But when we look at this in context it kind of looks like these two tech centers are going to grow at potentially the same rate or it's not out of the realm of possibility disability. That Bellevue will even become bigger over time. Because the goal in Arlington is to get to twenty five thousand over the next decade. Assuming the a few years is less than a decade in Bellevue. It's going to be somewhat close in size and I don't expect Amazon's GonNa stop growing after fifteen thousand 'cause one if they ever stopped growing fear point. I mean that's Ed. People said that about companies during the dot com boom and many of them stopped growing very dramatically. So you never know you never know but if you put this in context how. Many people are in Seattle at Amazon headquarters. Compared to the fifteen they envisioned in Bellevue. And the twenty five thousand that they envisioned in Arlington Virginia. There are more than fifty thousand Amazon employees in Seattle so it is still really the center of gravity for this company and it's going to be difficult for any other region to catch up right now. San San Francisco is larger than Bellevue. They've got ten thousand employees but if Amazon moves to fifteen thousand faster than San Francisco grows than this is going to be one of the biggest places places it hasn't poise and we should also note that in Virginia. There's only four hundred employees now because that project is still really getting off the ground. That's in Arlington. And then they have an additional ten thousand housing across the State of Virginia. Yes that's right so those are the numbers so that puts it in context and gives you a sense for what Amazon is doing where and what it's going to be doing in the next few years which is interesting but like what's going on here. Why aren't they growing in Seattle? Proper wild growth in Bellevue. Why isn't Arlington? The TRU H. Q Two can you unpack all this for us. All of it try Amazon is still growing in Seattle. It's important to note that they've got twelve thousand job openings in Seattle well and I don't really see that stopping anytime soon. They say that the Bellevue move is really about diversifying. Their talent pool But that being said there also relocating a critical team the worldwide operations team that really powers the ECOMMERCE business from Seattle to Bellevue. And that'll include the head of that organization Dave Clark now. I don't know if you remember number. Three years ago. When the Amazon to announcement came out they said that their leadership team was going to be able to choose between the two headquarters and made it seem like it was going to be a very distributed management situation hence the H. Q.? Right hence the HQ. It's not enough to have tens of thousands employees someplace. You need leaders there for it to be considered a second can headquarters. I actually Google the definition of headquarters again this morning. I've done that many times covering the story. And you are right. So have they announced which leaders are going to in Arlington non so far although Jay Carney their head of government affairs has always been in the DC area. So now. It's kind of one to one. Dave Clark is in Bellevue View. Jay Carney is in. DC Most of the leadership is in Seattle but DC is not necessarily Arlington. Do we know the Jay's going to Arlington Office every day. We do not not. And I haven't heard anything to that effect. So I think that eventually Jeff bezos split time. That's my theory. He's got that swanky. New giant renovated renovated mansion in Washington. DC proper. I can't imagine that he wouldn't end up living part of the time. They're and commuting to Arlington his helicopter. It's possible I think of Jeff. bezos has kind of living anywhere has jet takes him. You know it's not like he feels like he spends all his time here in Seattle. At any rate we do not know. Who's going where apart from Dave Clark the operations chief being in Bellevue and Jay Carney being somewhere in the Washington? DC Area area. A lot of this story is about the symbolic nature of these things where the leadership is this announcement of fifteen thousand employees in a few years. I mean that's a pretty bold statement achievement. The way that the statement was worded is also important. Talks in the first line about Bellevue. Being business friendly which is in contrast to how Amazon has described Seattle all They've called it hostile especially toward larger businesses so that matters and their biggest office tower ever going to be in Bellevue. It's a big project they purchased and they've been developing hoping for all this growth. Wow Okay so what does this say about the state of things in Seattle. Because the other story you've been covering is this new city council council that was created in Seattle almost because of Amazon's blunders where they funded this big effort to try and unseat the city council prior and end ended up with the city council. That seems to be even more anti Amazon than the one they were trying to get rid of it shifted to the left. I think that's you can safely say that and it did seem like they're big spending at the end of the election to get a more business-friendly suite of candidates backfired. There's a lot of really interesting tension happening here because another story story that we reported in the past few weeks is the Washington state legislature introduced a bill that would let king county tax the payroll companies like Amazon that pay high salaries and use that money to fund affordable housing and Homeless Services. This is the regional approach to the homeless crisis that we heard the business community call for over and and over again when they were fighting a Seattle specific tax called the head tax. Now it seems like the business community is kind of getting their wish in this countywide tax. That would cover Seattle and Bellevue Bellevue. But the business community would also like that tax to preempt cities like Seattle from passing their own measures to tax business in order to fund the Fight Against Just homelessness and that's not a theoretical concern. There are council members like Shawna's want who has said explicitly. We're going to fight to tax Amazon at the maximum amount. We can and we're going to win so taxes plays very strongly into this larger story of Amazon's growth around the country and as as I mentioned earlier there was a fascinating Bloomberg News story that came out earlier this week. Going behind the scenes of Amazon's search for its second headquarters others and explaining the motivation which apparently started with Elon. Musk and tesla factories. This surprised me. It was a fascinating the story according to Bloomberg Jeff bezos observed Elon. Musk getting all of these tax incentives to build a tesla factory and pitting a number of states against one another to get the best possible deal and Bloomberg says it made him realize we're creating all these jobs were investing all this economy and we're not getting anything like that it seems like in the end that whole H. Q.. To search turned into if not a debacle at least something that was not along. The lines of what Amazon wanted to be cities and municipalities fell over themselves to offer incentives to reduce Amazon's overall tax bill as it expanded and it seems like it backfired on them. Is that too strong to say. I don't think so I. It's pretty fair to say that this was not a good luck for really anyone involved. Cities took like a ton of criticism for providing these offering these incentives and Amazon ended up pulling out of the New York project that was going to ultimately be one half of the HQ to even even the way that they did it choosing to split. What we were told was going to be a rival campus to Seattle with fifty thousand employees across the DC area and New York to if the biggest first wealthiest cities in the country it just gave especially journalists who've been covering this forever a feeling of being bamboozled to twenty five thousand person offices? This is not the same as one fifty thousand office the same size as your Seattle headquarters saw sent out the same. If you don't transfer your leadership we've already gotten there and the still could happen. The thing that struck me about this Bloomberg story was just how much Jeff bezos desire to not only match. What Elon on? Musk was getting for these tusla factories in incentives but also just to kind of push for what he felt Amazon was owed from these municipalities. He's and counties across the country almost to the exclusion of other rational thought and there was one quote from an anonymous person. The story who was at least familiar with the whole process that really struck me and that was negotiating. Incentives is easy. What's hard it is? Winning hearts and minds and Amazon didn't do anything to win hearts and minds it felt like they jumped the shark to use a television term by forgetting the entire picture of what they were doing is they. Were trying to expand. They focus too much on on the raw money and weren't thinking long term in terms of the overall relationships that they would have in those communities that would accrue to long term value for the company even if the tax bill was a little bit higher in the short run that was my key takeaway from the Bloomberg Story. Yeah I mean I think that this is really emblematic of the bigger picture. Conflict between Amazon and many on the left Amazon's perspective is we have created millions of jobs jobs and contributed to the US economy and two local economies like no other company ever before and we are entitled to incentives and other programs programs. Because of what we've done for the people on the left the idea is Amazon has become wildly successful because it's in the United States and in these these communities and because of the workers who power it and it does a lot more in taxes and that's really something that we're seeing play out at every level of government because this company is so big and powerful powerful last thing here on this topic there have been so many stories about Amazon and taxes and HQ too but there was another one that I think we need to mention and that was the story that you broke about Amazon Amazon disclosing new details of its federal income tax obligations. Each year I thought based on the discussions it's in the Democratic presidential campaign. That Amazon doesn't pay any federal income tax. Is that true. It's complicated. The researchers who came came to that conclusion that Amazon effectively doesn't pay anything in federal income. Tax Did it by calculating a combination of deferrals and credits. That Amazon was eligible for what Amazon came out and said was look. That's not true. In Twenty nineteen our federal income tax obligation was more than a billion dollars but the vast majority of that was deferred. I think more than nine hundred million of it is deferred meaning. They're not going to pay it immediately. It's not cash out the door right now but it will be paid over time so it's really a kind of a matter of how you look at it but statement that Amazon does not pay federal income taxes is literally not true. It's not unless issue subtract potential tax credits that they might be eligible for and are talking about the net amount that they do pay out the door in which case I say again it's complicated. WHO's the big winner and loser in this entire thing? Sum It up for me as for still talking about it for years Amazon. Because we're still talking about it. Three years later the speaking of elections and politics and technology. Let's get into another even thornier topic coming up next. We're GonNa talk about what the Iowa Iowa caucus apt to buckle means for the future of election technology that's coming up next on Geekwire Welcome back it's todd bishop with Monica Nicklesberg. You're listening to Geekwire Monica. I was glued to the television on Monday night waiting for the Iowa caucus results like everyone else around the country and they did not come. Everyone knows that the Iowa App that was designed for the election. Volunteers to submit the results failed. What does this mean for election technology because we got an election coming up in Seattle where we're going to be voting by smartphones Mart phone? So should I be concerned about the integrity of my vote. If I'm Semitic it on my android phone especially well you don't first of all you don't have to vote by smartphone but it will be an option in Seattle in the upcoming King County Conservation district election the first election wide mobile voting roll out in the US. So it's kind of a big deal. I wouldn't be you too worried about it because from everything that I've read in the experts I've talked to what happened in Iowa could have been avoided. The APP that was developed was done so in kind of secrecy. And it's still not really clear why but even as the results started getting delayed the Iowa Democratic Party wouldn't say who develops the APP now journalists figured it out you might say it was developed in the shadows you might you might say it was developed by a company called Shadow Inc.. And you're right you know. This company was not very a well known in the election tech world. Actually the the folks I talked to who are pretty tapped into. They said they'd never heard of them. And for something as high profile as the Iowa caucuses uses. They said it's really unorthodox to use an APP. That was not tested beforehand and other elections. Now it's important to say this also wasn't a mobile voting outing APP. It was an APP that caucus officials used to tabulate and convey the results at the caucuses and they reported having issues with it. So it's a little bit like apples to oranges comparing mobile voting but big picture. This is about. I think that nation's confidence in technology coming into our elections you talked with one of the leaders leaders of the company that is doing these pilots around the country including the upcoming Seattle election in the King County Conservation District. I love that they picked this. You know really vital Vital race which is probably the point. Right they don't want to do it in a super high profile race. It's yeah it's exactly what they were talking about. That they picked a relatively less impactful place to start and this stature all civic engagement arm but this is also after eight successful. Pilots is the first time I'm that they're rolling it out on a broader basis. So this is kind of the the example that proves what their point is that even for something like this which is pales in comparison to the Iowa caucuses focuses. We've done a lot of testing validating to make sure that it's secure and reliable and we don't know exactly what it is. That went wrong but we do know from reports that there were signs of issues and being kind of buggy before the Iowa caucuses and it sounds like what really happened. Here is an issue of process very interesting. And it's GonNa be fun to see what happens and in Seattle. We're getting a front row seat for this new experiment and this could be a sign of how things could actually work in a constructive and and effective way in elections around the country with actual voting. And it would be cool if it was convenient and secure enough that it actually replaced some of that really cumbersome ballot that you have to do now even through a vote by mail campaign it can be pretty cumbersome and it would be nice to just pull up and have the confidence to know that your votes going to be counted easily and securely. It's true but I'm skeptical but that confidence is going to be widespread I think that's the biggest takeaway from what happened in Iowa even even if it may have been a novel situation that was a result of human error. This is a time when public trust in election. Security and in the technology industry are pretty low. I would say most people are circumspect best and it'll be really interesting to see how many in King County actually use them voting after this. I mean we don't have a control to know how many he would've used it before Iowa but what I've been seeing in the wake of what happened at the caucuses is a lot of skepticism and concern and just a lack of faith in the process. Interesting this is GonNa be fun to watch your coverage of this so stay tuned for that on Geekwire in the coming weeks and on the Geekwire podcast coming up next though. Let's talk about something else. Let's talk about baseball. The Kingdom is coming back. Thanks to augmented reality. That's coming up next on fire Welcome back it's todd. Bishop Monica Nicholas Berg. And we're joined by Geek Life Reporter. Kurt Schlosser great to have you here. Kurt thank you and we know when you arrived in the studio for the fund can begin not to get fun in here. So what fun. Have you brought us this week. Are you ready for baseball. I am ready for some baseball. It's pouring down rain outside. I JUST WANNA dream of sitting at T. Mobile Park and looking out over the field watching the sunset. Yeah in with this weather. It just feels like it's never going to come but I I've noticed on twitter this week that they're replacing the sod there again. At the ballpark sewed you will smell grass soon. I'm in some other. Changes are coming. Yeah so you reported this week on an augmented reality. Experience a are that they're bringing to a new section of T. Mobile Park formerly SAFECO field in Seattle. And it it's resurrecting the King Dome that thing that why would you bring nothing back anyway. Explain explain what's going on. Yeah this is is The Mariners doing their best to throwback to there. I don't know if you'd call it. Glory days for a team that has never won a world series title but an interesting piece of Technology T.. Mobile is definitely putting their stamp on the ballpark beyond just putting Magenta everywhere. And the latest thing that they're doing is they took over lookout landing which his up above the left field foul pole. To sort of this gathering space. It's now going to be called the Trident deck which is a Omayad to that sort of trident symbol that the mariners is used to wear on as as a logo Fans are still very much into that. So on the Trident deck. You'll be able to scan a code and hold your phone up. And and they're in augmented reality. Glory above or I should say in place of CENTURYLINK field. You'll be able to see the kingdom from this China deck. The whole point is that they'll be other photographs of the King Dome up there. They'll be throwback photos to players who played in that era and it's just T mobile parks way of sort of giving fans and other immersive way to sort of be involved in the history of the team. When you're not actually staring out at the action on the field okay? I have lots of thoughts about this first off. It's twenty twenty and this is the best with augmented reality. I mean come on the show. This is like a story from five years ago. Why are tech companies these entertainment venues not doing augmented reality? That's more than a novelty at this point. Okay that's number one and number two so the kingdom I mean I. I know that that was the sight of some historic moments for the mariners architecturally. That thing was just brutally ugly. Why would you want to resurrect like that? You know it's a weird part of the culture around the team and the city in general. Think about the things that are touchstones in Seattle and if some of them are Argonne like the Kingdom has obviously gone. There's a real affinity to sort of hearken back to those days now you'll see mariners fans wearing shirts that are printed nowadays with the King Kingdom on it. I mean this team has been in the playoffs. They have the longest drought in Major League sports. They're trying desperately to give fans something to grasp onto. And sort of this throwback stuff jeff whether it's old uniforms old hat styles everything. Now's augmented reality pointing at their old ballpark Is just a way to sort of engage on like. Hey aren't we great. We've been around since whenever the nineteen seventies so if it's just about nostalgia for ugly old structures can we expect to see in a are Alaskan way viaduct if tena or the other direction that would be pretty awesome. Actually the team says that more little doodads or coming down the pike. You know. They've instituted. You did some tech down around charging stations quicker entry into the Ballpark if you are a T. mobile customer. There's T.. Mobile Tuesdays at the BALLPARK. So T. mobile is definitely really engaged in trying. To put tack in front of Fans a spokeswoman for the Mariners told us today that they'll have more sort of tech features coming in the coming weeks. You're a big baseball fan. At least you go to a lot of baseball games. You've a big baseball fan. And and you you go to the Games you enjoy it. I know you enjoy the experience so this question is even better for you if you. You could have any kind of technology at the ballpark not to put you on the spot. Like what would you want to actually improve the experience. Not just create some kind of artifact on your phone would you want well. This is very specific to me but I would love a cheat sheet for baseball. Novices away to keep up with the game. In Layman's terms. I mean so much baseball. Baseball has its own language. It's vernacular and my husband very sweetly tries to keep me posted on what's going on but if something really important is happening if I could look at my smartphone and got a little baseball for dummies guide to the game. That would be great. I think that's a great idea but I think you need to amp it up a little bit like why not have a full on Hololens on your head Ed. Where they're actually augmenting the play on the field and then giving you little tips in this batter had this much on base percentage against this pitcher? Sure you know like wouldn't that be a lot better. I don't think a Holland's would go with my manners hat. Can I play devil's advocate. I am playing the crank today. I feel like at at the ballpark. You can get as much information as you need about. What's happening on the field from the scoreboard and the stats that are put on the scoreboard? Iran there's not anything else that you should be paying attention to other than the action on the field the crack of the bat the food and the beer in your hand okay. If you're staring at your phone then you're at the wrong place. I agree with you. You should should not be staring at your phone and technology should make it so that you can engage with the action without having to pull the phone out and that is part of my problem. We want to wear a hollow lens to the Ballpark. No now I'll give you an example. Here's a great example. Kurt where did you watch major league games as a kid in New York. Did you go to Matt's where did you grow. We didn't have Major League Baseball. Elliot AAA in in my hometown. So what were the people of older generations doing or even people of like. What were they doing while they were watching the game in official official scoresheet? If they're diehard which still see at T. Mobile Park on some older fans or maybe they had a radio or some sort of headset in their ear. Yes there's a play by. I play so have you ever tried to listen to the live stream of a game through the MLB DOT COM APP or the local radio station APP. While you're watching the game in person know it sucks. It is delayed by thirty to forty five seconds this to me. He is an example of a tech problem that the mariners and T.. Mobile should actually be solving. I loved it I could get fired. Then when Monica ask her husband what just happened. And he's got the stream in his ear and he can't answer because he can't hear he just puts one air pot in the right ear on the side away from her and better yet. Monica has the airport in her ear so she can listen and she knows the answers to the questions. Because half of them are being given by the broadcasters I really think the baseball teams have stopped actually learning the lessons of the tech companies listening to their customers going out and actually solving customer problems and to me the fact that they're creating an ar experience of the Kingdom and trumpeting the fact that that is their new technology is emblematic. Of this fact. I know you you are Invested because of what you've seen through bomber and what they're trying to do in the NBA. Well actually I wasn't even thinking about that but yeah bomber. has this APP. Call the Steve Ballmer the former Microsoft CEO and the owner of the La Clippers has invested in a company called second spectrum ruled out a HAP- called court vision for the clippers person increasingly other sports venues and teams where you actually see an augmented rail layer over the court. And it's it's okay. It's pretty good. It's mildly useful but frankly on baseball would be even better so anyway. I really hope the mariners do well. This season season all right. We can all agree on that. That's it for Geekwire until next time. I'm todd bishop and Monica Nicklesberg. Kurt Schlosser Play Ball.

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267: Chad Jennings

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267: Chad Jennings

"It is episode to sixty seven of red sox speed presented by CEO asked. This is Josh Lewin and thank you for hanging with us here recording this on a Monday you're listening to it on a Tuesday or Wednesday I don't know what you do and how you live your life. I'm not going to judge but anyway I mentioned that because now that we're actually playing baseball for reels as the kids say the standings do tend to change. So I'm just trying to throw it out there that as of this recording there six nine in fourth place and nobody super excited about that but. They've won three out of four. This was after going three and eight to start the year are three and one since then when they get up there to five runs or more, they tend to win and Mitch Moreland as six home runs and only thirty one ABC's as were recording this right. Now, that's Fred Lynn stuff right there to distort a season and Michi- actually did this historic last season to just nobody noticed because the team got out to an eight but. The pitching's getting a little better although there's already been so much turnover. We'll get into a lot of that as we go forward. Here's what we are doing on. Red Sox beat number two, sixty, seven in the weirdest quote unquote year, there's ever been. I keep saying it's not a regular season. Anyway it's is quite an irregular season and I will have to be at peace with that Chad. Jennings will come by and talk to kind of point by point about what is going on with the red sox. What he's hearing he's closer to being on the ground than I am right now. So a wonderful writer, Good Guy Chad Jennings we'll take us through what he's hearing and for those of you wondering, are we ever going to see Bob Dole? Bag. If, we're going to see him this year. Remember he had to fight through the Kobe protocol round a month ago they don't really need them quite yet as of this taping, but we might see bobby and he's a fascinating kid. So we'll kind of tip back towards ours spring training interviews dip into that and let you hear what he sounds like just in case the never actually see him play here in twenty twenty. So again, the red sox winning more than they lost his past week, the Yankees are starting to falter a little bit. They don't look like the perfect team anymore stanton injured. They're pitching as issues, Yankees and raise where chirping at each other yelling at. Each other all weekend that was kind of fun to see from afar also interesting of course, the CDs and the Astros go at it of course, Ramon, Laureano Alex Central and all of that. So we have sports I. think that's the key takeaway here sports keep coming back. So is your chance to bet on Sports with our exclusive wagering partner but online daddy g MLB as of course, restored it. It's in full swing, lot of beds so you can get it on sports hopefully starch richer and more and more remember bed online is sat down with George Robert Horry. Harold Reynolds Lot of cool people getting their opinions on what it's like playing without fans what they've called. Fandango here to visit bet online dot ag today you can check out all of the odds and up-to-date sports news. Don't forget to sign up take advantage of all a welcome back up they've got going on bet online your online wagering experts again, it's bet online and we would very much like you to continue with them because they're continuing with US makes the world go round So. Jennings GonNA join us. Should we just dip right in? It's not a perfectly recorded interview because we're the times of Kobe's so I knows isn't going to sound perfect but for what it's worth here y'all. Going this and we're so glad he's doing that through the magic not zoom but some wacky record a call thing that I've got going on my phone, we're all making adjustments here obviously chat and first of all, thanks for stopping by again people love your insight. How are you adjusting I? Mean we're we're. Looking at games and have no fans or reporters, they're all Fred Alex look down at cardboard cutouts but nothing much more than that. How are you finding he twenty twenty season other than bizarre It's it's an adjustment on who ends really you know my my wife, my three year old and a one year old. So that's sort of the the first challenge is just figuring out. Physically how to Be Available to do my job and then one there you know whether I'm at the Ballpark or if I'm. Just sitting in my basement on his own call or whatever watching the Games on the road on TV it's trying to figure out how to how do you write about this even you know it honestly the the fact that that they just hit fifteen games were a quarter of the way through the season. I mean, that's not cup on. IOS. I was kind of charting to write something about the Of. The offense and you know years right fifteen games and then it just sort of at some point while I'm writing I thought Oh my God that's. Her Fourth of the way of the year, you know it it it makes it really. It's really odd and you know I think you can see it to you know in some of the evaluation that's happening both from those of us watching from the outside and and those inside you know being fifteen games into the season. See I look it up there today that fifteen days season last year mostly best was hitting like two thirty. And you know that's mookie Betts now. Obviously turn it around had a very good season. In two thirty, a quarter of the way through the year this year that would be huge story you know and you're seeing that with a lot of guys jd Martinez. Rafael Devers some guys who are often close arts. Kind of you're you're stuck between two worlds, which is the reality of this season for you. Okay. That's slow. Start is a real problem because that whole started now quarter were a quarter of the way through the year but also it's still baseball. It's so fifteen days of Atholl. So how much do you see you really just go ahead? Jd Martinez is probably not going to be good for the next forty five. Fifteen were bad i. mean you know if it's a hard thing to know living what to make of all of this? It's just also it's all just. So completely different from anything we're used to. Yeah I think we're all getting used to conversion rate now too right. I mean every game we're two point seven games. So I mean every that based me. Point. Seven at that and I I look Charlie blackmon heading for forty and I'm thinking well, you know you got course field. The weather is warm than team is winning. He's only got forty four more games to go. I mean. So he reminds third plan little tricks on it. So that's a good one charly blackmon. Let me get you to what you were writing about recently on the athletes, which is not a lot of Charlie's black go. With the Red Sox, in fact, then as you and I are speaking or team batting averages two-thirty bic. they're not hitting with men on base learning gory positional Evatt We're looking at what fan graph deems is high leverage situation hitting a puck forty three without an extra base hit What would you put it into that file only oil and phillies down there with him? So what's going on other than? You kinda get. That is only fifteen, sixteen seventeen games but Benintendi Martinez. But what are we looking at? Yeah. I. Think it's fishing to see it where the scene is so look. Offers in pretty good I mean fast has been good. ZANDER's been pretty good a lot of Anderson number. So they come from that one for anything but but even since then he's been good, he's walked down a lot You know when he's having Florida's then good and in this sort of part time role that he's in niche moreland has been terrific. So there guys who are making it work but again, I mean you look at. What everyone else can you wonder how much just? It's hard to say whether it's Hugh Sport and every time they talk about like, Oh, I can't watch video that feels looking at Seaford also maybe it's the reality for some of these guys I mean watching video of every at bat is what nays Jd Martinez. So from a guy who was released at the industry in trading to a legitimate superstar in the game he he's the guy just studied and studies and studies, and so now to to this season, take that away from him where he's not allowed to watch videos is that bad? It seems like that's really had a huge effect on him and and I thought the opposite will have an honest when I thought they were not going to have video and gangs got this will show the guy that they're probably overthinking it. I thought you needed to watch every little thing just go out there and hit, and this will show them that you know you just you're probably overdoing it overthinking it a little bit. Just go out and hit the A hitter just go and For Some Guy, you know Christian Vasquez Video. Guy Who who really modernize swing last year his numbers have stayed pretty good this year even without video but jd is a different hitter he he just. In every way whether it's just the sort of standard numbers that were used to looking at him at an RBI since opening day that's insane. But also a fresh, his his rate is hard hit break. All of these things are going the wrong direction so It's all there I mean he's just he's just a different hitter right now the only thing you can look at it and say is he was changed for him. Really is his whole routine golf. If he can't, he can't go make those little minor tweaks but then with other guys you know. Jackie Bradley Tim Higher said the other day they he started the year going really good and he was kind of going off the field a little bit eating some shift, and now they just started pitching in and it's a matter of he has to make that adjustment but again, shortened season. So when he has one good week and then one bad week if it all gets amplifies you know and it's like he he has to make those adjustments. Taking a week to making adjustment is. that. That's forever only that's right. That's basically taking a month to make the adjustment Well, I've been and we wonder about. Right now is is literally might be the worst sitter faithful by the numbers. I mean he has been unbelievably bad to hit all season set that unthinkable and with something like that, and you wonder. How much that sort of the intangible of A fifty game season for he's being asked to lead off and he obviously wants it writing. He wants to be that table center he wants to deal with the sort of. Health out and play a role. But if it off to a slow start which and he's been prone to I, mean in his career he it's very common from to have a bad first week or so and then he kinda get some traction and you get to going. So in this situation, you wonder Benintendi have a bad week and he knows that that we could basically the equivalent of almost three bad weeks send. He starts to press a little bit and he can't have the same conversations that he normally would with with J. D. or with hires with whoever else to kind of help. And does it all Snowball. Each because of the environment in which he's playing right he's used to come off through bad start having a bad I need and then he. Is Horrid of than get it going. Because of everything else is going on. I think you bring up a great point I. IT reminds me of the old. There's an old peanuts cartoon. Where Charlie Brown is trying to work through something and Lucy says, don't come to me with your stupid problems. And you know I mean normally everybody goes to jd he's hitting three, forty six. So he's happy to help everybody else. Well, right now he's he's plugging looking three, forty six. So it's gotTa be don't come to me with your super problems. Right you can't figure it out himself and it. was. Staggering Chatham. Benintendi in the fourth inning the other day getting kinship or by Kevin PA- lar- I mean you know that desperate time calls for desperate measures kind of tough. But then you're right you look at the calendar and realize you know there's forty games left in the season because of what twenty twentieth. Yeah and that. That is not an five right that that want email you say, oh gosh. The fourth inning fifteen, even fourteen fantasies and wherever. That matters I mean they need that win. So much more and look run. He's been around the game for so long he is. He is just a he's just a genuinely nice man who he no. In a normal circumstance I don't think there's any way he. That will that's embarrassing. For Benintendi, right to be pulled in that situation I. Mean it is a it is a show of we just don't leave. You can get hit in this situation but mets, that's a tough message thinned three weeks of the year and you know he's well aware of it I mean he was not a guy who his career was. You know it's kind of an up and down part time player I. Think he is very Very aware of what it, what it feels like to be in those situations. So for a guy like that for a manager like that to make that move shows that he just he knows that the. City has to make right now. That there's no way he feels good making that move and have it thought Benintendi I don't. Believe, in unions situation. But he it had reached a point even after only two weeks that had reached the point where he's just he had to do it because of. Of the way everything is so magnified. Ron. Reinecke. Who obviously look he's trying to prove himself an impossible situation and the one thing that you heard a lot early in that he just didn't believe enough it Mitch Right I mean Mitch Moreland. That another great day Sunday You know he walked off Palm Patch and they win it five or three second omer the game. So it becomes very appearance everybody who's been around. At, look never mentioned that he came up with the rain back in twenty ten I guess it was I get it. He's always kind of underrated overlooks he's not the suspect the player when it comes to fake dad's say healthy whatever. But you know another monster story if people like if you would have believed in mid from game one, I get it but I guess it's kind of a two long thing for you but house lawn Reynecke doing and can Mitch keep this up? Well, let's take those two things Kinda point-by-point. Yeah. Well, I I think he's you can see that he ron is Changing the way he's doing it right I mean this was all about. You know showing that they all sort of having a plan to it. But now we're seeing already after two weeks. I mean Ryan, Weber Vincent down. Interdependence didn't pinch hit for in the middle of the game. He is just. Sunday. Night when he was talking about, Moreland, he also left him in the face a lengthy late in the game. Showing. Some faith in there and also knowing painting ahead going okay. I need I'm GonNa need more than later in the game and then missions hitting the walk off. So I think one is adjusting from his own. His foul would be in a normal year I. Think Ron would be more of a patient Guy but we've seen you know and then Kashi even earlier in the year very early in the year when they. Sit Sanja Lukoil author authored add an extra feature I. Mean McCoy's is a renaissance guy. You know that's part of the reason he's here is because Ron nosing from their time together in the walkie so I think that Ron is. You know. You can argue whether it's working or not but I think they could use adjusting in trying to change some of the way that he does think to fit within this season and within these particular challenges but it's also you know I mean what do right? There's only so much a manager can do when. They Denver's and Jd Martinez are hitting the way that they are and win. The rotation is basically Nathan of all the Martine Perez and then God knows who's next to you know what I mean. It's just I don't know exactly how much of the. Is The there's only so much that he can control, but I think he's trying to and also to the Red Sox cray they say healthy I mean they had not really had injury issues so far you know what sounds like a kind of a minor ankle issue with with average right now but otherwise saying healthy both in terms of just the normal baseball injuries and also free of covid Sin. In some samples and you haven't had anybody test positive again, I think that's a good sign as for Moreland. The other thing he's reading up against his yeah the trackers that he has forgetting hurt. I think many key is understandably nervous about that. You know. And from Mitch to have to miss them time that whether you know sometimes it may just be two or three weeks and under a month. Well now, this season that that too much time this you know. So I do think there's there's some extra concern there of. You know if we do lose this guy for a little bit, he has another one of those little Maggie Injuries He really is sort of caring team right now and they they've got gotta do what they can to avoid that but you wonder how long can they continue to play it safe like that? You know they you understand why they're. There are a little bit cautious with Mitch. But at some point, if he's still is the guy who's who's driving all runs, they're just going to have to play them and and hope it works. Great there Chad. Jennings. We've got him for just a few more minutes. We've talked a lot of hitting I know you're about to start writing about the pitching Brian. Johnson won't be part of it going forward that news coming down very recently your take on that and also want to ask you about native all the WHO reintroduced the curve ball on his last start with getting. Horrific. So Brian Johnson out native all the healthy and way in Let me get your take on those two guys. Fit. Well, he's been great. I. Mean All these always had really good stuff and it's always been a matter of of of one getting enough swings and misses on his fastball. Velocity and he does a lot of strike before guys those hardy does he does a ton of strike. But it's obviously there's there's just not a lot of deception there. So that velocity has never been as overwhelming as it should be, and he's never had that goal to secondary pitch I. Mean you've seen him try everything curveball slider splits I mean he he works with a lot of different stuff. Try to give himself. Something else could get guys off velocity and it seems to be working this year. You know again you look at. If they had if it sale for healthy and Eduardo Rodriguez were healthy and Nathan of all the number three. You know. They put themselves in a risky fob with pitching depth but if they'd kept those two guys healthy, this would be a really a very different thing that we're looking at here because of all these are has them really good. He's been that sort of strong more number two type that they were hoping. They'd have when they signed him but again that seductive she. and. They they. It's a lot of kind of a cross, your fingers type guys around now rotation right now. So in Covey and and the fact Avi and the sort of guys they picked up and I think as a picking up those guys, it had to become obvious the Brian Johnson said. They're they're just trying to find alternatives to him right? He is of the inhouse, Guy? Johnson is the one you have a little bit of a track in the big leagues he started up here the Red Sox know who he is and what do you think do they just keep trying to find keep finding these shreds if they would rather have their they obviously see something into your see something in that golly that they like. And they would rather have that over Brian Johnston. So Brian Understandably says listen just let me go right I mean it's mayor stand the the desire just okay. Look just you don't believe I'm the guy for this and. Let me go somewhere else and and try it and I guess some we'll give him a shot i. mean you know especially look back at eighteen I mean find important part of that team he Will Not. Very, well, yeah. Huge game for sure. But also just the role that he played he that sort of thankless role of spot star Longmen kind of did a little bit of everything. He's the guy you needed to get through one, hundred, sixty, two south. Once they got in the playoffs. He wasn't a real impact guy who he doesn't sit on the playoff roster so. He helps in this area in two thousand, eighteen, that team will go to the was. Had A guy like Brian Johnson to help out. He had some good moments here, but he's never been. For. The standout that I think they hopeful for a drafted in and so now he's out and. You know kind of who who else you gonNA. Figure out who, who, how do you go about figuring figuring Out Who is the next guy? Who Ready? In, pawtucket when what it is is just a series of Inter Squad Games right? It's A. Has, to be such an odd thing. Where you know they're going to need more fishing here pretty soon and and so far they've gone with sort of known quantity, right? I. Mean It isn't Zach Godley has been doing these guys. Have a track record in the big leagues who they sorta know who they are and what they have. Now. How do you evaluate feature out? You know if Kyle heart ready is ten or how. To and plus. It's harder figure. That evaluation has to be much much harder right now because he's basically just. In spring training workouts, and now you have to figure out what that means. Yeah Ryan Weber and Matt. Hall where you're number three and four daughters they've already been dispatched and say to Tuck it and geographical. That's true. But it's really just. Campus all it is I mean this whole year just so weird but Chad you're covering beautifully looking forward to reading the pitching take if you've got coming in your next piece for the. You're hitting breaks down earlier this week with fantastic. Thanks again, buddy stay faithful to. It sounds good. Thanks so much appreciate. Jennings Athletic. Thank you very very kindly, and you can always check him out. Of course if you subscribe to the Athletic Oh you don't have in that, but we just think it's pretty good website. So going forward here again I mentioned I love the idea if you're going to have a mediocre season which it looks like the Red Sox are GonNa have start seeing what? You got what else? What can we start looking forward to Bob Dole back to me is one of those guys. So maybe if they're out of it in the middle of September is something we do see some Bob, Dole Beck and Michael Chavis came up last year and kind of turned everybody's heads all that could be that guy going forward we're going to hear from him Early, a reminder, this episode is also sponsored by our good friends are new friends, score metrics, sports, trading system. You've heard of sabermetrics. The analytic model is propelled the as to be competitive, right all throughout this century. 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And Finding out what it's all about visit sports trading systems, dot com slash podcast that's sports creating systems, dot com slash podcast actually back slash podcast she has to do that but. That's our new sponsor. We're happy to have him and it introduces Bobby Dall back to us. Now, this is where we wanted to end this podcast here today. Because again, we don't know who actually see him or hear him during the course of this irregular season, but you've probably done enough research on your own to know he was a pitcher in college a very good one for a very high quality program, the Arizona wildcats he was a fourth round pick and twenty six just like Shane Bieber for example, what are your? He's having for the Indians that's A. Guy, that stayed on the pitching track at of UC, Santa Barbara Doll back side of the change up the a hitter and that's gone. Okay. Last year I know he hit only two thirty nine but with a lot of pop twenty, seven home runs and seventy three runs batted in, they put him on the forty man and Cova Dennis showed up. So where we knew that his season will be pause a little bit this year power bat good defender. He has a lot of meet them. Here was the interview with Bobby Dall back from back in spring training. In terms of your childhood where I always start. When did baseball become the thing as opposed to the other things nauseam born in Seattle and my parents both love baseball. So Good GonNa Mariners Games. Quite frequently. So I think when I was about three years old my started like. Blaming backyard we like a big heads in the backyard that we would call the monster when. I. Think that's kind of where I'm just I'm not really stop sense. Do you have any free implosion to the Kingdom Memories? You all SAFECO field was also? I think my dad was at that. Game. Lower. SMART. Data area. So for people who don't know you now go to that stadium on drew Martinez drive I mean yeah. Know that big of a deal there who are your guys going? Eggert griffey was a big one. Of. Those those two. Big Fan of Bret Boone. Bad. Wall I've got to talk to him on the phone. He actually says Buni backflip third person. This is pretty Well. If twitter was a thing back, then that'd be such the Hash integrate. And I've talked to. CAPE COD lead. He's he's awesome to. So it's we all the talk with a couple of those guys that grew up looking to I'm glad you brought up the Cape League going to ask you about that experience that endures sox. Fans right. If you've already been on the Cape You know people that they see the movie with Prince Junior they think it's exactly like that. Yeah. Is it exactly like that or not? Really? Pretty Close I. Think. Now not as much. Partying don't think just because host families a we had curfews and all that. Curfews and all that stuff and none of us were I wasn't. I wasn't really ours anything like that going to the field the not. Doing your own field and you know like I played third base in Orleans and I wouldn't rake third base after the Games. Like you're the grounds crusoes. Point of order what time was. I think it was eleven thirty twelve. asinine. What what was your host family? All About Stanton? Yeah. To him I had and for two years, the Thomson Family wrote in page and Air Great. House five minutes from five minutes walking on the beach. Yellow Jeep Wrangler me to drive so. Yeah. Loft, and everything it was awesome experience back to your days in Seattle. Huskies fan growing up that you follow college if you think about that. My mom went to. Washington state. So we're kind of cougar fans. I moved to southern California when I was five and live there's all thirteen the move the Denver. In an. Entire pack twelve coverage literally. In the music business for with record. So we've kind of bounced around just because of that but. Last thing is ad exact path. I didn't want to kill you on your Dad's background. But when people find out that exact fact I would think everybody wants to be your best friend. I mean that sounds like the most what exactly does he do? He's VP's of motions with alantic records. meagrely deals the radio stations lot whenever bans are in town and. Make sure everything goes right but he does a lot more than that because it's been so long. So that'd be very social, right I mean. He's very, he's lot more social he's. Worked, with. Worked with Robert Plant when his solo back in the day and stuff. I grow going to mass walks twenty concerts. On Kid Rock and. All that all that good stuff. Do you find that there's a cost to over I mean your geeked up to meet kid rock it's he geeked up to me athletes does it work? I've I've I've seen kid Rockford ever. So I would know on like a saw rob again for the first time like eight years. Aussies. To six show in Phoenix my dad's in town. So I got to see him again after eight nine years. So it was pretty cool. Being able to see robin who your go-to bands now if you had to Baghdad or access. Tough. not necessarily as many bands. Records. I'm Big Classic Rock Guy So last I saw. John Thune American. Fighters Classic yet they will be. Fighters. A lot of. The yeah. so He's been give. That's why I'm fairly musically inclined. Teaching Myself Can. Last offseason in learning guitar right now, trainings on guitar instead of piano during the season. Yeah. Much easier to travel than a I'm a keyboard guy and I used to travel anyone with the mets until the equipment guy said, cut it alka guitars lot easier. Yeah. Would you think of the Elton John? Show it was awesome, right? Yeah. He's he's awesome. Super Cool. Seventy whatever and he's a little rain. Sounds Great. still. Plays the piano like hell. So it's it's crazy, right? Yeah. Very last one I promised. One quickey baseball thing or you ask. Or are you a goal setter? Do you say okay, this is the year I do the because it not now I set like little goals, daily goals one of those kind of mounting to more than just trying to chase one big one the whole time for me. This is how I work Obviously. Life. Goals. Dreams that are you know set from a young age major league? All Star by twenty-five going to crush. I don't really I. Don't really said that that kind of stuff you know I was only going to be better know keep working on where they need to work on who? Perfect answer. Thank you. Appreciate. Good luck with everything. Nice Kid Bobby Dall. Beck we appreciate his time and again his time as a college based fall two way player early showcased his ability and you know the mid nineties guy with his fastball. If you look at the Twenty Sixteen College World Series Arizona when all the way through one of the final against Oklahoma state in that championship series doll had an eight inning game one run struck out twelve or they lost that game one nothing. So really interesting guy I hope he. Makes it. I'm just glad he spent some time with us here. Glad you guys did the same thing always nice to have your red. SOx beat thanks to Chad. Jennings again for stopping by welcome our new sponsor as well or metrics sports trading system people appreciate them very much. Appreciate you taking the time as always. We'll be back a week from now with more and hopefully some more winning red sox baseball. This is Josh Lewin. This is Red Sox beat from C. L. NS.

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Aaron McDonnell on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

Comedians Interviewing Musicians

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Aaron McDonnell on Comedians Interviewing Musicians

"Welcome to comedians interviewing musicians. You're listening to the audio version the live streaming podcast from austin texas. This is season four episode forty seven recorded on july twenty fourth two thousand eighteen live from east siders laboratory with host becky joel and claude ramey. Our musical guest is aaron mcdonnell but first. We have a not so secret little club. Tell you about where you can get access to exclusive zip content merch your own spotlight on the show and of course more for as little as one dollar a month join our community patrons that make this show so possible sign sign up at c. I m. dot live at c. I m p dot live. Thank you for supporting live music and remember give the podcast a five star rating every rating helps these artists get discovered by new fans and now brought to you by music firsthand and their live music booking app. Here's comedians interviewing doing musicians. Both my name is becky joe neil. We weren't just staring at the twirling will light waiting for you to appear. We have lives damn that spinney light. Thank you you so much for joining us music first hand. This is my co host. I'm claude ramey and this is your real host. Becky julia real host would you like to we are here in awesome insiders. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you so much for having us again. We love you so much <hes> they usually make me this weird hybrid but tonight they have a new one the lemon ginger siderurgica urge you to try that try that yet. We just have a baby cups of water over here on the south beach something or others but the lemon ginger is the new. It's delicious. Gotta say very gingery sounds good for you. Yeah i feel cleanse. The f._d._a. has not ruled with that but i mean like we could write a letter. I'm sure yeah it's fine. Women gender cider. Thanks for joining us. Would you like to introduce our lovely guest this evening club. Our our lovely guest tonight is erin mcdonnell. Give it up us insiders lou. What's that all right. The song's called life sounds easy on the radio that sounds easy on the radio he even the hard with doll sound so low so my dream and set aside some way these singers shouldn't have heard about posing gene me bans up franklin see here at home scraping by working in hard for my chance by the good ones mealy god may given the choice who the fringes as we take my own shell and the records stove tipping my hand so scanner hang hang out to the be boo really uh my style get fans and maybe made some do live sounds easy all three zero. Maybe this you row get my <hes>. He get van doesn't smell lack shit and and on the road and prone sold out me and my friends will get loose allowed kidman name all the the neons <hes> danny out and y dad sparkle nude soon be all get the full my campbell and the good ones really guide me given the chose movie the french and as we take home shell for the record stove so just gotta data hang on to the be who really did get vanden me in may soon. Go live sound ezio radio. I've yet vans and me be me some. Do five sounds easy old radio. You thank you joining us. Thank you thank you aaron. Mcdonald was beautiful. Thank you very much you. We actually have a little tiny announcement. We have a patron turn that we'd like to shout out for <hes>. He is a really low incredible donor patriot account andy mcintyre and he decided sided he was going to use the awesome benefit that was having a shout out on her show so shout out to any mcintyre he's releasing a new music video for song called juice offers album melania so please check him out. He is a music firsthand alumni so he you know he's good. You know i mean everybody who's been. You're like like knows him and loves him so please shut out you any mcintyre area mcdonnell. Where are you from. How did you find country music broad broad questions for you country within the country. Where are you from. I'm worried associating here. I'm from independence oregon originally so just a little town. Did you grow up playing oregon trail like the video in grade school. Oh so you so you would leave from independence missouri. You know when you packed hacked up your wagon and it is from kansas city okay so you started the oregon trail and then i'm at the independence oregon independent is independent famous farrell. Come on independence. That's right <hes>. How long have you been playing music. I've been playing music for over ten years but it <hes> for a living for close to five now. Where did you like. Did you decide you wanted to sing songs one day or did you have like family family friends <hes> i've been playing guitar for for quite a while and then <hes> just sort of decided late in the game really i mean i didn't start playing out in bars till i was in my mid mid twenties and was sort of living the double life of <hes> doing the corporate ladder on this side and then releasing music and plan and bars on this side and then it got to the point were met my lovely wife and our band and seattle and yeah sounds. What was your corporate job. What was is your area of. Expertise was a buyer for a big box retailer. Okay yeah yeah it. Is i tell you it's traumatized sized under any sort of fluorescent light or if i see a cubicle like immediate panic attack or that like like not carpet carpeted panel wall cubicle walls convinced they're only there for soundproofing crying. I'm like that's all. They're there for us. You can't hear your cube mate's sobbing into a printer yeah yeah much less corporate america yeah so anyway we got married and she was like as you do this for real and she she was from texas originally and encouraged me to quit my job and we moved down here just a couple of months after getting married so we've been here for four and a half years now and your wife makes me too she does yeah she typically sings with me but she was busy today and couldn't make it shallots danny danny right. She just had her. What is it recently our first single yeah so she released her first single to texas radio just a couple of weeks ago <hes> so the producer of that of that record is actually an audience mr tate my you uh ohio red cabin on the <hes> famous band my own broussard. I'm sure many people have seen him at the white horse and other other venues like that up speaking to the we used to have a residency there right or do you select yeah. It's off and on but we're back there this coming saturday. I have actually we seen you at the white. Horse is several months ago and it was the ida very nice interaction in the bathroom with the lady like every every girl. Every girl in this audience has had like good bathroom. Yeah thank you brenda. She's always i'm gonna q. Skirt thank you time like okay thank you but i had a really love the interaction with the lady in the bathroom at the at your show and i like official wardrobe malfunction at your tripped and fell and i ripped my pants to fruition at your show. That's not good negative. I mean like i really hope not 'cause that was outside by the way the plutonium you unless he was the person with the french bulldog i i pet and cried into it because i was sitting on the thing like okay. My friends were drunk and i just sat outside petting the dog. That back probably doesn't ever want to remember me but it was fine to scupper. I know that's why i was outside and i tripped and fell on the way to watch my friends. Two steps not to sever was not and some guy was like. Would you like to dance and i was like this is not going to be cute for you and he thought it was gonna be like a meet cute cute it was not he brought me out that he's like two left feet and my cumin all right. I said no. I'm hearing meet cute a lot lately. I don't think that's not into it. I'm conversely. Did you meet your wife in like in music scene or is it. We met on craigslist. It's the all american love story wow i need to. Here's another craigslist couples in the crowd exist couples. Now's the time if it wasn't any anonymous meet ups it. It wasn't that it wasn't like hey. I was the creepy guy at the bar and you were hot and action. Drummer at the time was like we should get a girl to sing back and i was like no we shouldn't because every time that happens i fall in love with them and the band breaks up and it's this horrible thing but but he he posted the ad without me knowing and she showed up and i didn't even care if we she was a good singer or not you know it was it was on hired or not hired for wi fi. Here's the hired for wife. I'm so lonely that that's like okay. I don't think it there's probably like a kidnapping over meet. Cute yeah meet meet. Cute is just seems like improper english uh-huh like someone was like i don't really know how to condense. We met in a really sweet and adorable. Raum conway's like meet cute. Also something really messed up sandwich or something yeah meet cute sandwich okay. No what is it like working with your wife and felt like is it like the most fun and the the most amazing or is it also like randomly we spend every waking moment together and but but i think it's we we actually do better when we're together all the time rather than you know living separate lives and her going to the office because we've done that too and it's all good we've had a couple of like couple or like a relationship musicians on here before and they've always been like yet dope i roll over make song idea and then she's got got it i can do it derived a lot together. No i'm primary primarily the writer and she just makes it look good on stage bless her yeah. What is your writing being process like song. I keep a keep a note pad of cool things that either i i think of other people say i do a lot of these trail rides and things like that and my kinda. My goal in life is to be an old cowboy dude that just doesn't say anything all day and then we does say something. It's like the most amazing life changing line you've ever heard of and that's what happens on some of these things. This guy is will not say anything all day and then they'll say something interests like oh my god. I'm like all right downed like i'm totally stealing that guy on the sitcom the old prospector that has been really to say yeah. I'm a fan of that so you are inspired by a lot of the older country that you heard your grandmother listening to. Did your grandmother live to see you. You become a become a musician no she. She passed away in oh three and so she always thought i was the greatest thing ever at probably definitely was not at that point but like that's what kept me going and that's i don't know i think that's half of it for most people with music or anything else. You just have to be okay with sucking for a long time on until you. Maybe don't suck that bad yeah. It's like a lot that's he. Do everything one hundred times or something then you can decide whether or not you're bad at it. It's fair air makes a lotta sense. You like your grandma. Was your biggest fan like did she pass on any knowledge that you take with you on your music career like do you think about her. When you write and whatnot not necessarily but i ju- certainly a huge supporter and as my as my mom is <music> and so if no one likes my facebook posts of hey we're playing here at least my mom's going to comment on it. You know right. That's a mom's are for on facebook. I believe yeah yeah. Moms are for like the sweet endearing comments on facebook. Well mine doesn't but the but you guys have fun giveaways wage. You can comment on our facebook page if you would like to ask us any questions for if you're watching this video submit a fan question. My mom stopped like she. She is like the biggest fan of this shallots ridiculous. Would you like to kick off with another song mr mcdon- sure so here's one of a kind of i was talking about. Just older guys saying insane funny stuff. This guy called me up a couple of years ago and he was like hey. Would you wanna play the houston rodeo. This party and i said absolutely sir how how you doing today and he said well. I'm on the green side of the grass and i just thought that that was a cool thing of course meaning. I'm alive as opposed to being on the brown side of the grass <hes> so i i wrote this on the next day and kind of a danceable number this this things exac here from the old man around town bonnie this so bro ban van stop thank where <hes> slow turn in me and said i'm glad i read sad raza brian now bony do fall a man. Let's have fallen aw down now while the land big green and walked away feeling bound by that i saw in bad things i have not things things it. I don guy someday soon. I don't know and i won't be say words foods e. Oh man gave the excuse the days said i'm glad i'm mon read sad raza assez riding seventy two oh man let's tab down while bill glad glad we were all re red. Got you down just mean man. Do this lag riggott sometime. Sad bomb diff- will say all these bad towns. Man speak left wrong. Green red is hard and loves. You speak land. We're all we're all <music>. Thank you very much. Everybody keep it going off me ciders for aaron erin mcdonnell. Thanks so much for joining us again. We love you. Actually this is a question. That's impressing me since i been researching you all week. What do you have against sleeves. Don't like us this week. It's because it's one hundred ten i was like <music> have sleeves right now. I literally wore this. I had another shirt. It's like i'm gonna wear my sleeveless shirt. It's so much more comfortable. Though isn't it people like comment on your pictures when it was like i need to cut it off. Speaking of we have a fan question that says awesome johnny cash tattoo. You know what's one of his songs. You would never skip if it came up on a playlist o okay. Let's see here <music> that such a hardcore <hes>. There's so many of them uh. I don't know if we have the rights for you to sing your answer. We're not robin. Come out donate say i i would say when the man comes around it was on one of the later rubin produced records so yeah love that one on of course he's talking about jesus and the gospel tune actually my dad. I asked my dad for some questions today. That's actually quite a good segue. <hes> this tiny little segment my dad normally i would ask my mom for questions because she always thinks that she's better at my job than me but mike decided to ask my dad because he's a big country music fan and also he kind of looks like john denver when he was like a little baby dead. It's like it's like you're the only one that's going to get all the country music questions on your instagram. It says like for people who like dwight yoakam rodney foster and allen jackson. My dad is is a massive allen jackson fan and he was like i started talking to him about you today and i was like maybe i can get some questions out of. What would you like to ask this country music artist. He was like what's he like. I said well. He says he likes alan. Jackson and this is the stream of consciousness so just follow my seventy something year old father stream of consciousness on this one. Okay i'm with you. He said you know alan. Jackson played a arrowhead last week and i was like oh i'm from kansas city. He's played arrowhead stadium. I was like okay cool so i thought what stadium if you could play any stadium. Would you play and really thought of that. I don't know i know country music it doesn't it translates to stadium but i was thinking stadium rock you now motley crue or you know but some beer sponsor was like someone with a beer sponsor gets to play in a stadium sponsor. Everybody drink miller lite. I picked up my cases of beer on the way here. He also said you know so often but if you're not drinking thank you love view recovery miller lite into austin insiders but they have very refreshing. He said it also it rained on him. You know the last song arraigned on him and i was like oh wow dad still need to question so i thought if you could play in any inclement weather what would be your least hated inclement senate weather to play in this you know i would really have you ever been to the you heard of the steamboat music fest in colorado so it's it's this thing it's the first week in january anuary every year and it's been going on close to twenty years now and it's basically if you take the entire texas music scene along with some other people that don't aren't based here but mainly texas artist us and it transplant them to this little skiing town steamboat springs colorado. There's all right bad al anyway. There shows all over the place there in the hotel rooms during the little bars there in the you know the ski shops and there's an outdoor amphitheater empath theater like right in the middle of all of it and people put on bad ass shows even when it's snowing outside so i love to do that at steamboat sometime. Snow is not that bad. I mean right now. It sounds sounds. Well illustrate this my first year going up there. The first night was negative twenty seven. That's that's not a temperature. I don't it's not i don't i believe it's literally mitnick negating temperature like that's the whole man <hes> then he said and you know alan jackson as a gospel album i'm coming out or he just released. One and my dad said that could have been twenty years ago like i don't know if that was i real thing but he said i so i turned that into question like if you could switch switch john ras not that it's like a total genre switch but if you could switch genres at any time and just released some like random ass album in the middle of what random john on would you pick oh i would love to stone or metal band. I'm wearing a bridge farmers. I don't know if you know that banner in town. They're absolutely bad for h. Firm shange email us <hes> definitely stone or metal. I'm thinking about it. Just everybody gets one good like wildcard album. You gotta do it and then he said what's that <hes> one really big play really big venue in town that plays all the things austin and i was like okay dad there all right and he was like it's outside. I was like that's not a venue a._c._l. And he's like no and i said austin sincerity limits he was like yeah so if you could like put a lineup of your dream a._c._l. And play it like who would you want to play at a._c._l. With the entire poster in order yes you're just like a few like share yeah. If you were on one stage and you were like oh yeah i'm playing the same stages a._b._c. Who would you want it to be. <hes> let's see here. A lot of them are dead so i don't know does that count. It doesn't count. We're talking like resurrection aco. It's cool resurrection everybody a hologram. We can do that fancy. What was that coachella coachella coachella money. Please polygraph would definitely be merle haggard and ryan adams would be do yeah and probably probably like wilco and maybe johnny paycheck ooh so that's a good one are rolling in johnny paycheck or yeah. Oh anti okay now so now. We're going to have to have a little moment for band. Members paychecks car. I p so obviously well yeah. He'd be there be in the front row bam bam and that was my dad questions. I thought they were almost like dan didn't answer your first. It'd probably be safeco field in seattle okay because i would like to go back and be like hey hometown hero. We did this yeah look what i am going to see pearl jam their next month so adam jam. Your most recent single is called lucky me. Do you have any superstitions. Let's see here. I don't have any superstitions. I just have rules. My wife says where i. I can't watch family guy in the morning. You know there's certain rules to my life like that. Yeah that's called overnight okay and that's kind of a sarcastic song. Anyway doesn't actually mean it means like hey but that's a good question. I don't not really super sister snow. Okay see i feel like most. I don't know maybe country music artists aren't because like their their whole like it's like a story telly john nra like very much but the storytelling you're like. We don't care. We're telling the story. There are no like weird tricks about it. Point point and i feel like a lot of superstition is about like comforting yourself about something isn't about. It's about talking about the true. Maybe i don't no no. I might be making this up as like hey if i have a really bad ass show and it sells out. Maybe i will wear those socks without washington. Baseball players do right. That's fair. Yeah like we're polkadot says one day so it must be the polka dots polka dots. Let's do you have like an from seattle but like in the south like being in the south for a while w we like found any southern foods that like make you super happy like. Do you have like a favor fried chicken place favorite barbecue place or something in town aw i like a lot of that stuff we played tons of events where it's like especially ex corporate corporation. We're bringing all our clients clients in and we want to give them the texas experience which is hilarious because i'm from oregon our drummers from massachusetts guitar players from kentucky on jeff uh-huh but and so point being we eat so much barbecue and i hate to be snobby about barbecue but i'm just like kind of barbecued out just not having it. Lucy's towns real good for fried chicken and all that good fried chicken. Now it is a good time. I got called pearl beer. Ooh i'm very into you also have this great video on your instagram of you like trolling link through like when you first got here and you saw your first bookies like what the hell do you think because when i forgot i'm from the midwest and i'm like i'm no stranger to giant giant truckstop bathrooms or whatever but i'm wanted to shit myself i was like why are there three hundred kinds of taffy why someone explained to me why and yeah no. I really love big yeah. Actually it was before. I haven't moved down here. I was on a business trip and i worked for costco wholesale enough. You know so that was the company i worked for. Of course it's huge you know everything so i was with my boss and we were doing meetings san antonio and and he was like we're driving out of the way i drove by this thing. You've got to see it so we drove new braunfels just so he could show me the buggies because it's kind of like the costco of gas is is the costco of like sleeping felt. Can you just hear of it so really one bathroom rob. You can make it out there forty minutes. I mean you could blow a whole paycheck at a beef jerky. Let's take our next episode on the road bookies bookie's. If you're watching a monthly contract with bucky please god oh my god. Can we should have it. Sorry what was your first buggies experience like again. Oh my god. I got so distant sorry yeah. There are shining beacon of hope when you're on the road. There's no doubt what's your go to bucky. It's like when you go in. You know it's sir usually the southwest chicken wrap. That wasn't the thing. I should've said that you were like the always trustees south have you. You've never had a bad one meaning like you've never been poisoned and i'm trying to be healthier though so and i'm pretty sure they're like everything there is like five thousand calories in it so well yeah i mean when they have a wall of like candy like seriously the tap about leonard poor people who are on trips and they have to like on the oregon trail. You have to just less tame his nine nine die of dysentery must eat thirties is the twenty first century shooting buffalo and squirrels had a bucky with the wagon train. That was that's where they messed up right there. They didn't have bugis bugis doing the lord. Get your flour in iraq candy yes to fitted cows goat in three and a half pounds of rock candy essentials america. Would you like to do a couple. More songstress sure you were talking about lucky. Me's i'll do that. One uh-huh muggy me. I'm mad my ribaud looking me act. Stay here all night long mm-hmm sack guide no one call and the oh i could stay all the zone lugging me. Do whatever around wanted the lugging me. I got nowhere lugging me. <music> have said long gone any burgi and the i can drink my bill lugging me you to the mall in line. No woman had home. Gonna tell me <music> <hes> no at home. That's gonna hopefully lugging <music> do around me. I got no go. Oh me now. She's gone. Louis look sees gone away and here i ooh lord jesus gone away in iran and <music>. Thank you all right. Let's see you do another tune. Do another one <hes> newer song. They're all new assuming song's called them. Asking a whole lot of my heart. Who is that is too much sure it's to stall. Bird fees lack run into already said now owners ooh the you'll after all we we've been <music>. Black and blue really can't sing pao. I heard you is me. All is aimed small that would fall so westend spam through round we go to what's the difference between need me. There's lots we just can't explain bling zofy who would use to work in the after all the things we been through we and be a backhand lou. You can't see other news me a small aw saying tweeden fall s. O. is a uh saint paul but as the <music> thank you for listening. I really appreciate appreciate it. Thank you us new ciders keeping aaron mcdonald. Thank you so much for joining. Thanks for having me appreciate it. Ah you're a member of the aussie music scene. Who do you think that the rest of the aussie music world should be watching other than yourself like who would you. He liked to like champion. Slash shout wral about family here absolutely <hes> well. I mentioned them earlier. Mayan bruce together already know them. Maybe we got. We got a couple and we're out yeah. Fantastic band swampy tonk super bad swamped. Yeah something made up disease and i got they got gulf coast thing going on catherine la- gender. I don't know if anybody knows who catherine's fantastic. Mystic brian pounds great singer. Yeah great singer makes me sad yeah and then a couple. Oh my favorites <hes> jonathan daryl great. David ramirez is already pretty famous if he needs any help from me a screw on kill yeah so so many good ones and a bridge farmers. I love that question because it once i i'd love my friends. It's always a nice noah's mad about that. That's the best part about austin. Everyone's like on the same team. I feel like it's very even though it's different things we do. It's very similar in the music scene in the comedy scene to help each other out. It's so amazing. I mean i. I don't wanna knock on on the northwest but it's not i. I didn't find it to be that way up there. I mean it was more like i. I got these booking contacts and i'm not going to change them but whereas you know what's everybody there. It's just survival and everybody's like like too cool for school and you know it's like down. Here is none of that it was alarmed at so and so any way i can help you out and i just think it's fantastic in the super super super cool so it's also true 'cause there's so many there's a lot more opportunities here than other places so it's kind of like whatever like if i like i love you. We can play the same bar just as yeah yeah if you could change anything about the austin music scene. What do you think it would be. The name names to just traffic count is ah kill myself earlier. I feel like there's certain clubs and promoters odors to take advantage of musicians by not paying him anything but it's also on the musicians do not pay for play for nothing. You know like don't go play these shows and then complain because you're not getting in any money out of it so that's what i would say. Just like come on. I'll send i guess yes if you had like a favorite place to play in austin other than us niece ciders girl favorite place to play in austin yeah ah it's kind of it's a dope venue. It's so fun. I mean just the dance culture and it's all all all ages all different kinds of people and everybody's buddies dancing. It's a really great location. You wouldn't think there would be that mix of like yeah. It's all ages so come see you saw the saturday at ten o'clock the white horse dollar off miller lite back at it again with the man. They're like deal with it claude. Would you like to do your fabulous. B-list news segment awesome yeah so exciting my segment. I haven't named it yet. It's multiple choice questions so get excited for the audience or for you okay all right so i was inspired by the fact that you used to work in the corporate world because i'm weird so if you ever i think about reentering the corporate world. I thought maybe you should be schooled about startups so i'm gonna ask you three start up trivia questions and just see if you can answer them right <hes> so i found a startup called refill r. e. e. r. e. f. l. is it a an apt provides a live heat map of nut allergens. That is the wrong answer. Sorry refill wasn't going to pick one anywhere five. Oh is it a gas gauge that you can see on your phone away from your car. Be subscription shen access to tap water or see an app that snaps condescendingly to flag down a server so you don't have to. I think it's a incorrect subscription access to tap water. What for if you live in new york city see for a dollar ninety nine a month. You can get as much tap water as you want for many up their designated outlets. I didn't know that was the demand. You're seeing how thomas gas in your car when you're in it seems yeah. That's never stopped so that's a little robot for me. I don't do robots yeah yeah. They had these weird my surrogate machines that dispense tap water dollar ninety nine a month. Check it out. That's messed up yeah second question. There's a product as you know. When you're a start up you have to spell your name weird or come up with a weird word that you can copy right. There is a product that is a salt shaker that is is also a bluetooth speaker a mood light and a table centerpiece now. I can't imagine that you must have a very anticlimactic pepper shaker. If this product is this product called a shaker with no e and to ours be exist with a zee or sea smelt a combination of smart and salt shaker incorrect incorrect. Wow was it small. It's smalt no like a million hearts salt for those of you who were like why is my salt shaker so dumb and now you have all these are these are real things yeah guessing now and didn't get picked up on shark tank all right. My didn't even get picked up on shark week thinking get a single ad <hes> smalt go to bed my final question. A product called love nuts is it some guy in the back is a a heat map that shows you live footage of nut allergens urging. That's what i meant to be vibrating sex toys that can be operated by bluetooth and also double his flashlight selo sponsors this or see a dating app that matches people based on their mental health issues not tender <hes> be which one was that the data's correct yeah dirty one yeah it is a <hes> they're designed to look like giant acorns and they have flashlights in them for some reason and their tagline is it helps a woman any emergency darker you wanna get. Those are the two situations that it helps you. That's false advertising. What is it do. It's called love. It's it's it looks dangerous because it looks like you could just lose it in there but it they put an l._e._d. Flashlight in it because they could good interesting. I think you're not missing out on the corporate. World designed thirteen year old boy so we should just know what it looks like. We should put a flashlight. It looks looks like it was designed by not a woman not a girl not even a woman mostly thirteen year old boys in the basement. This is a startup run by children. Damn it all right congratulations on sticking music off. Thank god damn the corporate world. I love that segment. I think that's great to ask questions about stuff we wouldn't i mean why why not all of them thing today. Smalt i'm gonna have nightmares about small small to if you're watching you can be one of our patrons but don't you named your company small like that's on a trusting adviser eiser like the person who made this tiny rubber unicorn awesome insiders. Thank you so much for joining us. We love having you guys here. Give it up for aaron mcdonnell once again. Thank you everybody <hes> what is what are you doing this week. Claude this week. I host a weekly show every thursday thursday at eight at hops and grain. It's called gut busters. We have an amazing stand up comedy line up this week and every week because i pick myself ooh yum fancy <hes> and aaron. What are you having coming up soon. Where can we come see. You got anything coming out. We're finishing up our geraldine residency tomorrow or thursday today's tuesday right. There's a geraldine friday will be out <hes> viva big ben festival out in alpine and marathon marfa n._f._l. All that stuff back at the white on saturday sick right one final shout out to our spotlight patron. Is that what we're calling. Oh yeah andy sandy macintyre check out his new video for juice. Yes please do after after listening yeah of course and the audience of awesome insiders. There's actually gonna get a couple. More songs sneak peaky. We're going to cut the feed but we'd like to thank you so much for tuning in facebook. Thank you awesome for hanging out. You guys can stick around and get some more music. Brian ryan mcdonald but give yourselves around applause for hanging out. 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COVID-19 vs. Sports

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COVID-19 vs. Sports

"The podcast on Sports David. Pryor along with Ben Cooper from post media. It's official Ben. The Corona virus is a pen. There are a of things I thought I would here at this time of year. Especially in the throes of a stretch drive trying to make the playoffs. That word just wasn't in my vernacular and everything that we've been through on the connect speed here in the last number of days. To have it all come to fruition today where a of leagues are looking at playing in empty stadiums and now empty hockey rinks which will get into my goodness. This is unprecedented. You're talking one hundred and twenty thousand cases in one hundred fourteen countries over four thousand deaths so far even here in Canada is over. One hundred cases reported so far and the Canadian government has now announced a one billion dollar fund to deal with the economic impact of the virus. And you know when you look at something like the National Hockey League that unlike other pro leagues is more predicated on walkup crowd. The you're talking a lot of lost revenue here with Finding out today that the San Jose Sharks are not going to have any fans in the stands next three Games Columbus blue jackets. I said no fans the rest of the home schedule. So it's only a matter of time I would think that we're going to see this occur at Rogers arena and let me tell you. It's been really something since Sunday. Because the last time we were able to talk to players in the room was Sunday morning to Game Day Skate and talked at length a lot of players including Bohora VAT and Antoine Roussel. And I think the gratifying thing from our perspective as journalists is as much as they're aware of the health concerns. There's also the the task at hand I mean they have to perform as professional athletes and I was quite taken by the fact that they understood. What a guy like me needs. Who's been on the beat for twenty one years the one on one interaction? The trust Let's delve into issues? They both spoke to it. Which because that's important and people out there need to understand that when we get into a scrum like press conference setting. Nothing is coming out of there. The players aren't going to be as open. You'RE NOT GONNA GET INTO SUBJECTS. That need to be talked about and within minutes that entire scene or whatever you WANNA call. It is up on the team's website so the stuff I would normally get in a one on one interview in the room. That is mine and that you will see. A goal has gone by the wayside but I will give the connects credit. We've been working with them and were coming up with alternative solutions where we can still work in as sort of a semi one on one environment with a safe distance between us and the players won't happen in the locker room per se but they're looking at other accommodations in Rogers arena but having said all that day with the team on the road Thursday in Arizona and Friday and Denver by the time the Sunday game rolls around. Here against the Winnipeg jets. Five o'clock start. I don't know if there's going to be any fans while there in lies where I wanted to take exactly what I want to talk about right now because that situation is evolving as you're saying it is literally day today as you said off the off the kick you know it's Columbus and at San Jose. There's the start but the fact of the matter is you've got an organization here in Vancouver with the connects that have already added one hundred and fifty sanitizing stations throat. Rogers arena. Oh I know I hit them all. You know what I'm talking about and it it is what you're seeing. How strangers it you know in a regular to have these players the coaches the players going in front of a podium so that the media can go in and give at least a quote me some of them like it. It's like okay safety. That's who uses an. Ask Me that question now. This is this is beautiful. This is a beautiful thing but again just dialing back as much about that. I'll give players a lot of credit for being professional enough to understand what we do for a living and we're going to resolve this issue. Probably sooner than later ran a poll question today talking about you know the fact that exactly. What we've been getting into the connects are going to at the rate that we're seeing plan front of empty seats and the poll question was. Is that what you'd like to see in this pandemic that we're now dealing with forty six percent said yes. It was a pretty much a fifty fifty thing the fans get it while they get it. Because if you've seen all the guidelines and it's not just washing the hands and things of that nature and and you know using sanitizers and whatever it's the fact that the fans are jammed in there together right and it's the it's the handshakes it's it's the spreading of somebody's coughing and you're in the vicinity. It's in that kind of environment. A closed arena close stadium. It's you're much more likely The odd say to contract something or at least some symptoms or some corona like symptoms. You know the fever. The headaches the coughing so I give the fans credit and I've I've been hearing a lot of this today that they understand what's at play here. I mean it is health and come on. I mean you know. They love their hockey club. But I think they love being healthy more than anything else. The thing that I think for a hockey fan to be and we've never seen this before literally banned from going into the rink to sit down and watch. The hockey game is frightening on one level but also it takes away so much of what this game is all about. And it's certainly not hockey. We're going to get into a whole whole lot more about this. But the whole concept of professional sports is all about. Is that fan engagement? Well Tyler Toffoli spoke to this. I mean You know he played in the king system and spent some time in the minors and he said well. I kind of know what it's like to play in front of empty arena when you play in the American Hockey League or or when I cover the Atlanta thrashers and Atlanta and there was nobody there but he was trying to make a little bit light of it. Add some levity to the situation but he said listen. There's nothing better than stepping on the ice even in an away rank and here the fans chirping you doing yes or quite frankly the atmosphere in Rogers arena for the islanders game. Back and forth. Crazy game was really something special. It was very playoff like and trust me. The players feed off that. I don't know if they come back in that game. Quite frankly without getting a little bit of a push from the fans I mean they were jacked a you know a JT. Miller talked about it after the game. This is a guy who played in game seven of two Eastern Conference Finals Lost Game Seven on home ice when he's at the Rangers Lost Game Seven on home ice when he's with Tampa. He talked about the atmosphere against the islanders. Being playoff likes to get your point players are really gonNA notice it. It's going to be weird. Here's the other level that it can get to already. The scouts with the Toronto Maple leafs have been grounded. That's it during the same okay. Same thing they're going to do that. Okay this is going to be the next move pretty much across the NHL. Well hold on here. How far down the road are we from shutting the whole thing down? I mean we are going in to the final weeks of the regular season. You got the plants at stake here and now there is incredible possibility as insane as it may sound that they will just simply cancel the season. Because you're not gonNA put the players the coaches on the same planes that you're not going to put your scouts while this is why this is such a moving target in the last twenty four hours the San Jose. Sharks thought this. Okay hang on a second. Woo-hoo we playing is. They're building open. Maybe they can host the game. That wasn't gonNA work. Maybe a neutral site game logistics not going to happen and the last card they could play. Was We gotta get the season done? We're we're committed to this vision finishing the schedule. You can't keep postponing games. Because a player says playoffs. It's supposed to start mid April for the teams who are in it. So there's a real problem there I know in Europe. It's been different. Leagues have been. Shut down this Forget the plus done In the NHL. It's business as usual. Not at all at the business of the game and trying to facilitate a season is changing. The goalposts are changing almost on an hourly basis. Almost it's not even a daily thing. Now it's I'm hearing things almost every hour that affect the NHL. And quite frankly. I don't know next week I'm supposed to go to Anaheim. La and Vegas now. I don't know what what's happening in California. I do know that workers at Disneyland had some symptoms so here we are spring break. You can shut. Disneyland will probably be shut down now. Does my company wants me to go and do my due diligence and cover a game in an empty rank. I think it's a great story. Don't get me wrong or am I turning into a health reporter when I go well because there's going to be so many stories. I've got another spin to that. How comfortable are you getting on that plane? How comfortable are you out of your safe zone? Because you're putting your life career on the line as well? It's everybody I think I think I don't want to say I'm naive. I just think at the last road trip I was on before really took too cold. I mean I was in Montreal. Ottawa Toronto Columbus and of course Columbus has made a decision to not have any fans there to watch towards do his thing I you get on this treadmill existence. You kind of have tunnel vision because basically you haven't slept much you get up to catch the next early flight. Although I did have one flight where I had a young couple beside me That you know I struck up a conversation with and they had just got back from Southeast Asia and I had one of those w t f moments and then I turned around and they both had masks on and I reached into my bag and I pulled out my big wet ones as I say those big wipes and I wiped everything down. I looked at him and said. Don't take this personally. No but you better take one of these and you better wipe yourself down so I guess to a degree. My colleague Patrick Johnson is in Arizona for Thursday's game. He's not going to Denver on Friday because yesterday the state of Colorado called an emergency situation now. Patrick's wife is pregnant. They're expecting their second child in late April. And he's got a young child he didn't want to and rightfully so subject himself to that kind of situation so he's going to be back in. Vancouver and this is unchartered territory. I think what we're going to probably be doing is covering that game Friday night against the avalanche off TV and then you make an arrangement with the hockey club to talk to some people on the phone after. It's not the way we go about our business. Because there's nothing like seeing it with your own eyes and making your own judgments on what you see. It's unchartered territory. But that's where we're at. Which is why I do not take the possibility of the Stanley Cup. Playoffs getting shelved something that would have been unthinkable while I'm just a few weeks ago and yet what we have seen over the last twenty four hours tells you the speed of which this game can change and I just will not take that off the table that there's that there is a very real possibility that the NHL just stands up and says it is simply not worth the risk. Well I think the first one when we first heard earlier in the week that Indian Wells. The kickoff to the professional tennis season was being council in terms of an event that won't outdoors. Okay it's outdoors but it's in that area it's in that area where they're they're really concerned Although on the outbreak but a transmission and then you get the women's World Hockey Championship cancelled and now and I was in Montreal. And this was a big deal. They're preparing for the world figure Skating Championship. Which is a huge event. It's a huge event. That's gone and here we are today. I don't know I don't know what's next well. You you've got a baseball season coming up now. What will slap at a hockey here for a second? Let's move onto the other the other sports which which you've already kicked the door open on. Let's talk about baseball for a second. The whole idea of baseball is take me out to the Ballpark it is. It is the ballpark that is the show. It just is and how Major League baseball can sell. Anything without fans to me is insane. There is no sport that relies more on page that kind of patrons in baseball because I know because I am one and to me. I've always told my colleagues. I will never cover major league baseball because when I walk into that yard. I feel like a kid again. I feel like a kid I played baseball telugu seventeen but I feel like a kid again. It's so gregarious like I still call at Safeco by the way I can't call it. Pink and T. Mobile. I just can't to me. It's always going to be safe called anybody who's been there for the bullpen. Pablo's knows how gregarious the people are there that you spend half the game there and you're basically in a very tight area even though it's outdoors and it's basically germ center. If you really think of well th this is why today Seattle. Mariners made the announcement that they will not open their season at SAFECO field. Okay they were GONNA play a four game series against Texas March Twenty Six to twenty and then host Minnesota March thirtieth April first. All those games off the table. They're not going to go. And and take that risk. Same Seattle sounders Emmy for going to stick in Seattle for a second sound also postponed their game against a FC Dallas centurylink field. How far away are we from the NFL? How far are we from the seahawks? Understand something about Seattle and Vancouver because we are the big jumping off points to the PAC rim and a lot of the cases. A lot of the The diagnosis have been people who have traveled abroad and come back and unfortunately in Vancouver we already seen the situation senior centers. Where in North Vancouver A gentleman passed because of the corona virus because what happens in the senior setting unfortunately a lot of these residents have underlying health conditions. And when you add the krona virus to the mix it's obviously toxic and it can kill and Again I I hate to repeat myself I just. I can't believe like I don't know where we go from here with baseball. It is absolutely frightening because it is as we said before. It is so fan dependent in terms of the atmosphere of the game itself. The game experience. It's a four hour picnic. That game is often secondary because when you watch mariner game it is secondary. I mean you're going to watch the other red sox the Yankees ear and the Yankees. That's good I'm going but it's no different than a net bailey. Oh boy yeah yeah. Great Joel but same situation. Smaller scale but really. It's the same situation. We got the word also with the NBA that the Golden State Warriors game against the Brooklyn Nets. We've played with no fans the chase center. No here's the tweet from the team just said fans with tickets will receive a refund. That's as deep as it went mental. They wanted to say you got that on top of not making the playoffs. I keep many meetings. A car wreck celebrity. Got That great position with the Golden State Warriors until they fell apart. It's like literally like physically last year then now of course but as we've been saying throughout this podcast is all of this has been shaking down over the last twenty four hours. It was sort of like something that was sort of building. And we hear a little bit more about this. And you you've experienced that and whatever. The case was the last twenty four hours everything that we knew in terms of any kind of hope that this thing was not going to go and turn into a pandemic has been blown away and we are feeling the effects of it not only in sports but in every other aspect of life. But I'll tell you this with with sports you've got a front row seat to it. All I mean you're watching the Golden State Warriors game with Brooklyn and. There's not a fan of the seats. Not One fan and I think where we tend to forget when we do this professionally. As the people who pay the freight who are either do walkup patrons are have season tickets. This is the great escape. I mean a lot of people have jobs at you. Don't want they're not that great. But what's the big release alive? Sporting of us. It's great theater a great release. I'm away from the office. I'm away from my boss and I'm going to have a good time and I hope I see a good game and that's what it's all about them and that's been taken away. It's not just the the pro leagues as well in terms of college. Sports the Ivy League all-sports. All of them have been shut down and I believe Vancouver giants. If I'm not mistaken we're supposed to play a game in Seattle against the thunderbirds and it will be played anybody there. Harvard Princeton Yale Cornell all of them you got the NCWA men's basketball tournament which humongous moneymaker on the horizon. Not a single fan is going to be allowed to see that. What are you. Ncwa me that announced just a few hours ago. March madness will be played without fans. Think about that. Can that is nuts. You talked about the women's World Hockey Championships cancelled same thing the k. h. l. suits has got nothing to do playoffs angles. Can't do what about golf. I mean you're talk- outdoor where were you get into it? It's all over the map. Okay people. Yeah you've got your entourage following certain golfers but you'd like to think that maybe maybe it escapes the news. Just because they are gonNA. They're playing and they're playing but again Stay tuned masters is on the right as of today officially from the PGA. The word is that no PGA TOUR. Events will be canceled today today. Stay tuned on all of that. This is what two weeks away fairly wrestlemainia. Thirty six is going to go ahead shocking. But you know the people that talked about Lebron James. Got Most of the attention on all of this saying that very very disappointed at the NBA. Plays Games without fans Then he says he will listen if that is what the League decides to do come full circle all the way to the initial reaction though because he had no sooner had he said that we had our last one on ones with the canucks in the room in Iran. That right by Borat and said Yep I I wouldn't I wouldn't do that. And then he said well I guess if I had to I would. They don't want to. Nobody wants to well. They're they're still his denial up there with no not only with with fans who who want to go to the game because they're entitled to it all but it's also you know from the players that that again you hear that from Lebron James you kind of go really. What part of well I think at end didn't just see them. Here is that it is a flu. Like virus okay and people tend to think. Well if I just you know I'm GonNa Wash my hands and do what I normally do. I'll be fine but like you said earlier in Rogers or any you can't take six steps out hitting a sanitizer and even at my workplace today and every time I walk by you know even when you go to the crosswalk you press the button. You put your elbow into it. Two hundred two hundred fifty sanitizers added to Rogers arena last. Couple days Here's the here's the exception and I really truly believe that this will change the twenty twenty summer Olympics in Tokyo which will begin on July. The twenty fourth as planned fans will be banned from you know torch lighting ceremony and grease and stuff like that. But no it's going to go as planned. Nbc has already written a check for one billion dollars and they've been quite adamant Tokyo that they are going through with this. Can they delay it because whether you know even a month how about a day do you know how much has our perception of this pandemic changed in the last twenty four hours and it's easy for them because they take a look at the money and the commitment they've made and it is massive in? Tokyo as I said before. Just the rights alone from. Nbc is a Billion Dollars. So they're upping their chest and they're talking tough but I think that that's all that that is you come back a week from now. I've got a funny feeling a bad feeling that Tokyo will back off on all of this and it will be a very different story but right now they're holding to it and has everything to do about the money and you know the thing about Vancouver. It's such an attractive place for conventions. I know people who are organizing conventions this summer in Vancouver who have gotten guarantees from all the major hotel chains to extend. I mean the revenue that will be lost. When you've got ten thousand people coming to town and all the hotel rooms and guess. What's just around the corner? April second crew season starts in Vancouver ill-fated ill-fated cruise ship in Oakland Docks in Vancouver on April second. You know we. We were talking about this producer. Aaron before we got into the podcast the cruise ship business is still going and it's Goin' strong. Oh there's incredible deals right now is met side but I don't know about strong. Why would you get on a cruise ship period? And yet they're still in business. They're still load up everybody's waving and I'm going I you out of your mind. What part of all of this don't you get while? Go for a walk around Vancouver. Right now and you will see billboards for every cruise line at ridiculous prices right now. Because I'm taking an absolute kicking. I've been on cruises and trust me. They're great I've been on an Alaska cruise been on a Mediterranean cruise. I can't imagine what those people were going through. If you didn't have an outside cabin and you're kind of in quarantine on that cruise ship for the better part of two weeks and you're in this small room and you're not really getting along with your significant other. Can you imagine what that would be like? Oh No you don't get along no no to me it just. It's absolutely insanity that that you put yourself at that kind of risk and yet as we just talking but it's business as usual. It's a pandemic while they're trying. They're trying to salvage something and it's no different than the airlines. I mean you know even going back to that last trip I had flight cancel and I guarantee the reason council because nobody could tell me why they didn't have enough people on that flight. They cancelled they. Put us all on another flight. That was delayed. Four times and Steph getting to Ottawa ten. Am got there at four pm but that was the start of it all because people are not flying when you look at the numbers that we've just gone through especially in the one that strikes me more than anything else. Italy shut down. They just shut the country down. And you want to get on a cruise ship. You've got nine thousand confirmed cases in Italy and already four hundred and fifty deaths and the most insane part about all of this is that what is the age demographic that normally gets on a cruise ship Very susceptible age. Chris gets on. You know the funny thing too. I'm not funny but anyway they're older than we are. Yeah I mean van of First. Venice has the floods. I mean Venice's underwater. Now it's coronas. I was fortunate enough to be there on that cruise and seamark square and it's an absolutely spectacular part of the world and to watch the news now and you'd be hard pressed fine body in that gigantic square. It's it's mind boggling. It's absolutely mind boggling. So there it is. It's it's official. The coronal virus is a pandemic. And how we're going to see this play out over. The course of the next few months is anybody's guess but I got a really bad feeling. Well it's going to get worse the only other things I've been reading. Everybody seems to think. There's there's a cure around the corner that eventually with today's medical today's technology science They will yes. Will they eventually find a cure? But guess what by the time it gets approval. It gets the hands of the average person I was told it could be as late late fall or or the New Year. So you know before it gets better. Unfortunately it's probably GONNA get worse. Let's talk a little box here. It's worse news today. But only get into the whole Christina thing for. I mean. We'll talk about that. Yeah I mean from bad to worse. I mean you're the conducts are one day. They're below the playoff bar the next day. They're just above it And in the third period against Islander Game Chris. Tanner got hurt We were I think all our colleagues. Nobody saw a specific play. I would like to think that Chris has been through everything this year and knock on wood. He'd played every game and his fourth in the League in blocked shots. His face looks like His teeth misaligned ally. It looks like a picket fence. Lot of chocolate. And he's got an ear from taking that puck in the ear. That looks like he got on the wrong side of titlefight and he is kind of the blood and guts guy that holds things together and the reason why this is such an important story with the canucks opening. A two game road trip is that they're struggling in their own zone. I mean if you watch the Learner Game. Three of the four goals were all breakdowns. Either not being able to get the puck out or making bad decisions. Positionally and defending isn't just you know boxing guys out. It's when there's a play down low who's at what post who's reversing who has whom. Why can't we get the puck out? First Islander goal to chances boom point shot. It's in Kristan of is crucial in that respect in that great pairing with us. Now you have a situation where I guess Tyler Myers up one notch and plays with Hughes and I guess it's the infamous pairing of Oscar Fan. Berg and Jordi. Ben Can play the right side. He did in Montreal. He did earlier this year. You'll probably plays the right side in Arizona. They've recalled Jalen chatfield on an emergency basis. Which you knew that that probably Mentana was hurt. I've been kind of chasing the story all day in the folks finally coughed. It up. Tana's out week to week. What does that mean a lower body injury? What is week to week? Best guests is done for the year. I mean check the founder. What's week to week? I mean if they don't make the playoffs. What your last game April Fourth. I mean it's it's it's it's piling on is what it is. It's the last thing they needed and They actually needed to create some cap space To make this all work on an emergency basis they had to put mark Simone. Lt are just have enough cap space to make this all work. Before they dropped the puck and Arizona Mark Skating but You tell me. This is the huge question. Yeah with all due respect to the performance from Tatra Denko in the forty five saves. I got it. Beat the islanders. And he was. He's the first star I give you that but this has been the exception. Not The rule getting marks from back to me is absolutely every while they're only here because of Jake Marsh absolutely. How many times have we've referenced? That eight-game span where he had forty plus shots and he went seven. Oh one one I mean how. Many Games to Jacob marched 'em steal to get to this position because really when you talk to people around the League. They'll say you know what's happening. Vancouver is pretty amazing because his team is probably maybe a year or two away but when you go and get. Jt Miller which was the best trait acquisition while in the last calendar year. When you beat everybody to the Punch to get Tyler. Toffoli ahead of the trade deadline. I give a lot of credit for really seeing what they needed to take a run at this thing and have the kids take an incredible step. I mean Quinn. He every time he gets a point. He's passed another rookie mark. And if he's not the calder trophy winner there's a problem and Ilias Patterson continues to develop but The problem here is without Chris. Ten of being able to defend without Jacob Marks Gem. You know I was on that road trip and I know we've talked about it. And as soon as they said he was having a maintenance day in Montreal when he should have been practicing the day of the trade deadline. My radar went up because You know why. Why are we having a maintenance day and then we just threw some sleuthing and staking out the team hotel and seeing somebody limping The good news that came out of it just in talking to a lot of people who understand the injury that he probably has a meniscus tear. If it's the slight variety you try to play through it and I think that's what happened in Montreal. I think marched him thought he could play through it in a locked up on him talking to people who've had the injury that's what occurs by also talking to other people as APP Jonathan quick a year ago in L. A. Had the same injury just wear and tear? He was back playing playing in a month. Not Practicing and I talked to other people have had and you can rehab it right away so where. He's at right now doing some light skating. It's hard to say a week or two away from playing but will it matter. I mean once the calendar flips and those last few games They better be well above the playoff bar. I'm not so sure they will be. I'm not sold