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AWTY 56 - Play Nice (A Silent Voice)
"This is wrong on so many levels and welcome to our exploration and education and anime. I'm your anime idiot Patrick Dugan. I'm an anime expert Dana Hollander Brennan McCullough your animate. Uh Ha ha. He's got jokes league because it's a sin points yeah the because there's not nearly start. I think that's the best way to do it. I think he did at one and it's not going to get better. It's GONNA be some weird cryptic references in the sixties otherwise behind the scenes. We are very worried that Brendan's computer will it and that was a very mean prank to play on as soon as we started recording computers. GonNa legitimate it is the most perfectly timed way for computer to be like fuck this. I'm out trucks. It feels like that sometimes her bus goof because we're watching a silent voice yeah he gour where watch another movie this week we've been burned into by so many series just forego that medium entirely just movies now so yeah. This was your pick this week. Dana what what what was your history with it nothing. I've just heard very good things about yeah. I know I know what it's about vaguely but like I don't know exactly what it's about but I've always been interested in watching it because I like a good would animated film. You are a cinema goer who of s Japanese persuasion well you love Japanese films all the same right films all of them Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. That's my shit on loop every day playing Brendan. Do you know anything about this movie probably about the same as Dana. I kinda got a basic idea of the plot and I remember when it came out. It had some buzzed because I think it came out not too long after your name so it's too big emotional anime movies. I got like wildly popular order like even in the states so it's kind of like. Oh Hey how's animates not just tits and monsters which covert Albert that the release of this US release I should say was October twentieth twenty seventeen so within the careers here is your name. Your name came out in in the states in April two thousand seventeen. Okay convenience. Yeah your name in April great great snow different the same so yeah. I know I know just about the plot and I know it's supposed to be like a beautifully animated and Wonderful Score but that's that's about it. I don't know too much and this also I analysts to watch eventually well. Let's let's get that. Pencil ready to cross it off because we're about to watch the UH I'm I'm not crying. You're crying correct. I am not cry one of US money. I'm crying yeah. We'll we'll. We'll talk about it but I haven't really been and saying how I feel about this movie because I don't like it very much. Oh did that on top. That's long I wanted to see I. I was being cagey about it because I knew that you liked it so I wanted to talk about it on here. So we'll wind side me. Make me especially sad. That's fine yeah. Let's go suprise uprise karnavas sweeter the bell yeah. I I should rephrase this I think this is a very a beautifully well made movie. I think the message is yeah so well well. We'll get into it. Okay so movie starts. We have a boy and he's making making plans. He has a calendar that has deadlines on it. want us to quit his job. Another wants to go to the bank. which I mean I mean I know are signs of like wrapping things up so yeah content warning talk of suicide so he's shown on a bridge and he crosses off a day that says final day and he gets up on the bridge and he well I think in his mind he gets up on the bridge but he doesn't actually do that. and he's like distracted by by some kids doing some fireworks and then we get like an opening which is him just hanging out with all of his friends just bunch of kids elementary school kids and the opening leads up to the stay at school. When a new girl is their transfer student she's yet. She's very cute. Shy and the teacher tells her to introduce yourself to the class. She does not do deuce. Oh he taps her on the shoulder. She gets out a notebook and she has notes on it. That says my name is Shoko. If you want to talk to me use this notebook because I can't hear and all the kids in class are pretty like Haw 'cause I guess they've never met a deaf kid before. Noni Noni she she just gets to know some of the girls in the class the pretty nice to her start out her nickname is show John which they say is the same nickname as the boy we saw earlier. His name is Ishida. 'cause last name is show. Ya So he's Shoshana also what a coincidence and then we're pretty much just shown her in several different scenes having a really hard time at school because they're just not accommodating her her disability there's a girl names now who at first. It's very helpful to her. She takes her notebook and she writes stuff down for her during class. there's a moment where they're reading out loud in class. The teacher still has her do it because she can talk like most deaf people too they can talk and because she can't hear herself it's not perfect and and then when Ishida goes he makes fun of her which is Shitty and she's having trouble well making friends were shown her after school with now and like a couple of other girls and now we're leaving by. Shoko and she's just by herself and then he she comes up and she signs to him that she wants to be friends and he she says it to and he calls her weird in throws dirt her face. That's cool move off to a great start off to a good start very likable learned and then the teacher tells everybody that they're gonNA start taking some time out of every morning to learn sign language so everybody can talk to Takushoko easier and now is like why do we have to do that writing easier for me and then there's one girl that gets up up. She's like I WANNA learn it and her name is Sahara and then there's just like more shit of them ridiculing her him and he writes something on the board. I think I missed something because he writes something about how she took Sahara away did Sahara leave the school for some reason or another yeah. I I also missed what they were trying to get at with this. Ah No clue cool chalkboard is what it boils down to yeah. It just comes up later so like and miss something and he erases it as she walks in and he's like Oh. No someone did this rude and then she writes thank you which is sad because he's jerk children awful children awful and then she has hearing aids and they kind of start making fun. They don't start making fun of her for it. They do make fun of her for it. He yells in her ears and and starts taking them out just fucking throwing them and then one day he rip them out of her ears and she starts bleeding like he pulled hold on her ear lobe and he's called the principal's office because assault and as he's leaving the school with his two friends friends she's waiting for him and he's like what are you want and then sorry she holds up her notebook and it says I'm sorry which which made me very sad and she wants to she just wants to be friends so bad and he's just the worst and then he tosses her notebook in the pond and the next day she's not there and the principal is in their class saying like she's not in class today because she's her mom found out. She's getting bullied like you guys are fucking up her hearing aids which are very expensive who done it and the teacher was just like Ishida Ashida you. You're the worst you've openly done it in class in front of me. I know it's you. I know it's you also also shitty teacher. That doesn't give a shit so I'm I've just sort of. Let it happen and get to this point. It's true everyone kind of sucks. Here's these two girls else so she does kind of trying to be like Oh. Well you guys you make fun of her too but it's just you know just that thing of he's the one who got caught. Everyone else is just saying like well yeah but we told you to stop even though they didn't and then school called his mother he gets. Home and she she tells him get ready like we're GONNA go see. Shoko and her mom and she sees they go see her. and his mom gives Shoko smother money to replace the hearing aids and then Shoko is like with her like adjacent to the scene. She's feeding. Some pigeons sounds so easy to kind of sneaks up behind her and tries to be sneaky but the birds fly off. We don't really see them have a conversation BIA after this he starts getting bullied for one reason or another I guess because kids suck and there's one day where he goes into the classroom and see Shoko wiping the tape wiping his desk off and he's like what are you doing and it's evident that she just didn't want him to see whatever someone had wrote. She thinks she's returning the favor for him doing that for her. and then he just starts fighting her physically which was sad and she pushes him down and gets on top of him and he's like like he says you always have this look on your face like just say what you're thinking and she says I'm trying my best and that made me sad and I was semi cried. It was like the first time I teared up yeah and then after that altercation. Shoko transfers and there's time drum woo ishita is at at another school and he is there to find Shogo and he sees her and he's like hey do you remember me is she's just like and runs away which is naturally physically fire the last time they saw each other you're but he's he chases after her and he wants to return a notebook and he like hands the to her and signs. You forgot this and she likes signs to him. Like why do you know sign language and he says I learned it like I just wanted to learn it and then he asks if they can be friends and she cries and then we jumped to the day after he tried to commit suicide he he goes downstairs for breakfast. His mom looks exactly the same from his childhood. she yeah she. Thanks him for the money because he left money on her pillow and then she asks him why he tried to kill himself and he says like. I've been through a lot lately as she was just like I knew like I knew something was wrong. Like why don't you talk to me and she picks up the money she holds a lighter to it and she's like a few. You have to promise me that you're not. GonNa try some shit like like that again or I'M GONNA burn. This money worked so hard for and he's just like okay. I'm very very sorry Ma'am and then she burns it by accident oops so I I want to talk about this real quick. 'cause this also solidifies why I think he such a the piece of shit so they say one point seven million yen which I did. The conversion rate is almost sixteen thousand dollars who yes oh we it's sort of built up as light childhood bullying but my dude cost this deaf family sixteen thousand dollars in damages yes that was it directly the money he cost them and that's what he was paying back or is it just a general yeah because when when they go to when his mom drags him to apologize she gives the money to pay back for all of the multiple hearing aids that he trashed which cost sixteen thousand dollars okay. I knew she gave him the money. I was feels directly like he's paying back exactly how much he calls her or general like Hey. I'm going to kill myself. Here's all the money I mean. I have to make up for. Just everything yeah well. Oh you believe it's a direct correlation to that. Okay who it's a split and the other thing I wanted to just while I'm talking about this number. One a felony damage charges for like destruction of property is anything over five hundred dollars at least in the US so so This kid would have had felony like hate crime charges against him for targeting this death woman in her class but light light bullying is the great kids are shitty and angry and especially the talk about there's shitting though yeah gets a real shitty which is why I don't like it. I don't give a shit about this piece of shit yet. The reason he started getting bullying they say later on he has contact issues which yeah I I get that but also a lot of the bullying we see in him. Being bullied. MONTAGES are him being bullied for being such an asshole to this person. He drove out of school. A lot of the graffiti and stuff are like Jerky fucking asshole so that is some of the bullying stuff he gets to you and we'll feed into more stuff. I don't like later on but I just wanted to establish that well. It's still relevant great. Okay Sorry I have feelings about this movie clue so he's going back to school. he explains that that him taking that notebook to. Shoko was supposed to be like a last act of courage. He reveals that like once they graduated waited from elementary school and moved on to middle school his friends kind of dumped him and told everybody not to talk to him because he's crazy and we have this visual of him. His in his is just like XS being over. Everyone's faces 'cause he just doesn't WANNA look. He just ignores them all. He doesn't WanNa look at them. You can't look at them. He doesn't want to deal with it and he also while sitting in class has this moment of like making things up that people are saying about him saying that he's crazy. Roese and asking what he's alive and stuff and he's eating lunch alone and he's like wondering when he can see Shoko again 'cause he really wants to he goes home and his mom apologizes for accidentally burning the money and then. She says that she wouldn't have wanted to use that money anyway because he raised it specifically to kill himself self which would have made her feel gross the next day he's parking bike at school and he's walking toward the school when he sees this kid with really fluffy hair very steven universe. Ask I was a little little fro and it has a green tint to it so it's slight Steven Universe decorative so someone comes up to him and it's like let me use your bike. I forgot something at home and he's like Nah. This is my bike you cannot use it and they kind of start fighting each other and he's calling for help and then issued goes over and he says do you want to use my bike and the guy's like yeah so he steals his bike national and he has to walk home and he's thinking. I have to find like a natural away to see. Shoko again. I can't just go see her. It will be weird so he finds God divine intervention God I was GonNa say God intervention. That's not sees Jesus POPs hello. There's a coupon for some bread and he's like Oh. She likes is to feed the fish bread. Bring her some bread so he gets to school. He gets to her school will and there's a kid standing at the door and very is Scott here. He just left because he's like see. Shoko and the the kid is just like she's not here and he's like I can see her. She's over there and they're just like she and they closed the door. She's not here and he's walking home and fluffy hair boy. Is there with his bike. He's like I found your bug. I looked all over for I found it abandoned in a rice field here. You go friend. My name is Nagasuka Suka. I think nice to meet and his ex falls off of his face 'cause now he's a friend because he did this league for you. Shida and and now he's comfortable with him. She's a friend. Also I look at my notes and yes that is correct. Knock Asuka Great. They go to the movies together. They're just like having a chill time. They get food and she does like what does it mean to be friends. Like what are the qualifications applications of having a friends and Nagasuka a very funny guy he liked grabs a French fries ketchup so it looks like a cigarette and he's just like my dude. There are no qualifications for being friends friendship transcends words and logic my man and he starts to see so so which I also love this. This is the biggest I've ever seen and I love him. Yeah he's great finally character. I lack back you don't even like Shoko easily with okay so issue to try to go see. Shoko again but the same will kid is blocking the way and he's like this kid that we at this point assume as a boy says I'm going out with Shoko Andy. She does just accepts this. He's just like all right that makes makes sense sure and then the kid says if you're here like to be selfish and get some kind of self satisfaction out of this you should leave yeah yes and and my is the movie ended right there and then soukous there and he grabs the kid and he's like hey fucker. My buddy wants to see this girl. Let let's see the girl so they're causing a scene and then all of the people that are in the classroom like come over to watch and she'd makes eye contact with. Shoko and he's like you and he eats himself out of there and Shoko follows him and they're having signed conversation down by the river where she she feeds the fish and the kid that is supposedly going out with. Shoko has a camera so he's like zoomed in on their hands and hand is translating the conversation for Nagasuka and a Ishida says like I wasn't sure if it was okay for me to come see you but I wanna be your friend as she says I want to be your friend and then he gives her the bread and they feed the fish together and she pulls out the notebook he gave her and like opens it to read it and he's like no never mind I don't want you to read it and they like struggle over it and it falls in the water and then she jumps Simpson the water to get it and then he jumps into and they get out he apologizes for that and gives it back to her and then they part ways for the day so yet all all pick up from here trinity half the next day at school it turns out the kid that was so protective was taking pictures and posted all over. Social Media show Ya jumping into the river and he gets suspended for like improper behavior or whatever he's not supposed to jump in that river or something irrelevant. Yeah Basic Leo's like against student conduct which is being an idiot all wet and stuff so he's suspended his mom tells them to go pick up his sister at school and when he does he's here's someone in the park like play tunnel thing and he goes and it's it's the kid it's the kid those taking pictures we learn another name is Zorro and they there's still mad about stuff stuff and show. Ya is our sorry. I should say zero is still mad at show. Ya but show you doesn't really care that the picture got him suspended so rather than men sleeping in the slide decide show you decides to take take them home for a nice dinner so that night Yuzu is staying over and goes out in the rain show you a follows gives them shoes so they are out in the rain and it turns out that zero had a fight with Shoko and that's why they were gone and questions show you as motivations for trying to reconnect the Shoko and show you like hey. I know I'm a bad person. I know I don't deserve anything but I'm trying here. Try and then suddenly we learned that use zero is actually Shoko sister and not her boyfriend at all which number one I before they established when we first get them in the classroom. They just say Shoko is it's my girlfriend and I was like yes. She is gay perfect great. No because they had an established us are as the boyfriend yet they just said. SHOKA SHOKA was my girlfriend. Es finally that's what I thought that's what I do but also earlier Maria the younger child Donald House was like oh by mom casey their mom her mom go off to work and I was like Oh but show us mom's still here. I was like Oh to mops ops yeah and find Maria. Maria actually show you the niece assist so it's like okay yeah. Fuck me up that relation that whole family dynamic. I was so confused because we don't see the movie so it just Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. We got the big reveal that these are the sister they get to the house and Shoko Zeros mom comes out wow and recognizes show ya as the boy who was the worst and of course slaps him in the face fair yeah so they go well he leaves and then in the mom go inside and the MOMS like hey they don't hang out with that piece of Shit and use our or zero fuck is I misheard it as us us. Abu My doing back and forth so I'm just trying to translate my handwriting and real-time line if everyone nicknames yet all gay sister is like well. I can decide who I want to hang out with so I don't care. I'm not gonNA tell Shoko to not hang out with anyone. so the next day show you introduces knock Asuka to Shoko and zoo and tries to get shockers phone number but says it's so vaguely that Shoko is like oh I actually want the the phone number of one of our elementary school friends who was not the meanest person in elementary school but someone who's still all the bully. I don't think so they learn that she goes to a different school horace phone number. I'll think Sahara ever believed her with with the time jump I lost track of who was who elementary school so. I guess yeah sorry Yeah Asahara Person. She's the one that I wanted to learn sign language right yeah yeah I narrow after being told so so yeah they go to visit her. She is going to school in existence city so Shoko and show Ya go and travel and they find her and learned that she learn sign language and is super friendly the and immediately jumps back into being friends and apologizes for what happened and all the bullshit the happened in elementary school aw so while they're catching up show you feels super guilty and all that and walks away and passes NOCA- Ohka who was the extra M- mean girl in elementary school. I'm going to cry and her name. Aim is but they call her now Turkey right now. Her name is bitch. I just fucking. She doesn't deserve I ate her. She doesn't deserve name. No early. Pay attention to anyone's name in the elementary school. I'm just learning all of their like adult what adult Gotcha but now but now yeah however Shoko wants to earn I forget who wants them to reconnect but show your shoka wants now to be at least reconnected somewhat they visit her at the cat cafe that she works at she sees them and hides so they end up not connecting and show Ya. It's like oh I wouldn't want to hang out with me either self-loathing so we see Shoko at the doctor and she's getting news news and show you gives us our cat to give her that like a little purse that he he picked up at the cat cafe and she's crying in a room but I I believe the news was that she got like a new he or she lost hearing in one ear but got like a new hearing aid in the other and is able to verbally communicate a little bit. This was also left as subtext so I don't know the exact change that happens here. I just thought it was like is that she's he's just. GonNa like fully lose her hearing eventually like that's just how I read it probably yeah because I was confused because she is being more verbal than previously Asli but they do know that one hearing aid has gone so I assumed she completely lost hearing in one ear and I don't know maybe as trying to verbally communicate. This is all subtexts yeah yeah but yeah so later on now actually meets up with ler show yeah and sees. Shoko across the street right buying something is like Oh that death idiot. We're still making fun of her right to hate her and so yet show. Ya is now like oh no yeah so. Shoko oh comes over to meet them and now jumps right back into bullying her and takes her hearing aid and show. Ya is like hey. I'm changed now and now is like Oh. She's your girlfriend. You only care because she's your girlfriend. this is when she started out as mean girl in my notes and this is when she wanted to just Schertel bitch yeah you would think as you get older and mature as a person you would think wow. I really shouldn't have made fun of the girl in my class. No no she's Classen her again. She was like old habits old. So the next day after the bullying they go to see the car show who is wearing her hair up for the first time and you can like exterior see the hearing aid and she's speaking show you is thrown off by this and Asif she consigned in which me immediately makes herself conscious because basically what he's saying is your voices weird because your death and she she gives him a gift that she got the previous day and in her voice. She says I like you but he cannot make out the words that she's trying to say so he thinks she's talking about the Moon and so he defends her and she runs away and is all embarrassed because she confessed her feelings and he didn't understand stand her so the next day in class he goes up to one of the other people from elementary school. He hasn't talked to basically since since then and is like hey so. Why do girls change their hair. There has to be a single answer right one reason well. He over hears talking before he talks to them. She walks in and she they hear all the other girls like oh you change your hair. You got got a DI. Di like somebody and throwing these suggestions of why she might have changed your hair and that's what makes him think like. Oh is that why Shoko changed her hair and that's enough for him to to get up and ask him but she is like now. There's many reasons. It's not always about a guy but also this other classmate. wants to hang out with you so they they less uh-huh so they gather up. They're all they're all being chums actually trying to have high school friendships so it's basically every character we've mentioned so far. goes to amusement park. It's Shoko Shoko Universe Steven Universe and bitch for some reason who because I don't think it was. I think it was trying to like because it's like a bunch of light. The grade school kids again. Oh everyone should be either. I don't know it could it could have been the blonde girl maybe yeah yeah but they go on a roller coaster word. We get some enlightening like hey don't judge things until the end heavy-handedness and we see deep show. Ya is actually having the realization that he's having fun for the first time in is still feeling guilty like I don't deserve to to have fun so he and the bitch girl decided to go get food they go to the concession stand and the person some working at is one of the old friends that turned on show yeah and he's now feeling all weird again end because he remembers about what a Dick he was and bitch girl is like I thought you would want to reconnect. We're doing uh-huh doing you. A favor each be happy and basically just goes into the life was so much simpler before death death row showed up and ruined everything because you got weird appeared and every everyone feels weird. It's all deaf. Girls Fault man fuck this bitch so hard hard yeah and she goes and he's like hey. I really wanted to go on this ferris wheel. you and me alone go on this ferris. Wheel sounds like a great idea especially after areas saying how much better better things would be if you were never on it. Let's go on this very tall object. zero is like. Hey hey a shock. Oh take my camera and maybe take some pictures and they leave and then after the amusement park they easy through and show you meet up and US Zero is like hey I snuck. I was basically just rolling the camera the entire time. You really need to see what happened. and we see that on the ferris wheel bitch girl was like hey you deaf idiot. Why do you have to ruin everything. Everything's your fault and then just like attacks her and that's basically where where mm-hmm we get to the third the third act so yeah. I'm just GONNA call her sister. Because I'm going to butcher the name of pronounce it shows show you the the video and we basically says all he wants is for Shoko to like herself and he sees a lot of self loathing in her so I just I just I just want her to enter all the Shit I and when he's at school show you tells his new friends. He's like the red. I just caught him. Ron But girl the other all time such Colorado. It's easier another name. He tells us about the video and he's kind of like wow what a bitch like who bullies the death is the only a douchebag would really be fully to defecate dies inside and then we get it it gets here at team of for this person hold too and when he gets back into the classroom her mining the blondes a friend who was like in school or wherever search stuck in a show you show you confronting him about the stuff after she finds eh the video as kind of like you were bullied to and he's like no. I was just like all of those bullets like no I wasn't but you laugh along defender you didn't stop it and and then they just Kinda got into the tussle and she starts freaking out like yelling and kind of draws attention saying like the reason show change schools is because you show you or the bully that really drew the school and he's like. I'm going to BARF and runs out because he's getting a tax sort of thing again. You've runs out wholeness now shut and and as he goes out he just leave school and goes on the self reflection thing and any ends up at the usual spot on the bridge NEC Shoko and her sister there and while he's there they're talking about an everyone else shows. Steven Universe me to bitch smashes everyone everyone's here everyone should be and undermining comes up to show you an apologizes saying like sorry. I kind of like when I just had a lot of emotions bottled open. It's kind of speed out and it bitch comes strolling loan and on our high horse thinking the. Dow Look me gotTa hear so much. There's literally no redeeming quality and she comes saying we're we're all guilty of bullying shook. Oh you guys in stop. You guys made fun of her. I'm worse now. Jeeze the worst well. Initiative is definitely the worst one they were kids she just causing a scene kind of saint everyone's socks and show you kind of snaps if he kind of goes league in a fetal position on the ground and and just kind of sense like why are you trying to bring everyone down to your level just because you know you'll never be at their level. Everyone else down like that's why everyone doesn't like. You and they're like Oh wow hey that was pretty harsh and he's like. What are you trying to defend her me? Do you run away with you. Always do whatever get tough. WHOA got about the names the one that wanted to learn Sara. Sorry Yoko Sahara yeah I I watch. It's the dubs I think we have. The names are as me yeah that's that I had Miyoko to an and like he's like her money Sadah Voice. That's why you're talking to someone who put yourself in situations that you really don't belong into scalise fucking were show yeah like what the fuck happened with you and Siemian universe comes slope like you say what you like. What are you doing like touching me. We barely even know each other like we didn't like a month ago. So why are we doing what you're my friend. It's like all right. I'm GonNa give you your space 'cause you're clearly working through soften some of the most emotionally mature thing in this movie and everyone just kind of leaves because they're just like wow way too fucking shit over party and Ronco. Hey man that was cool. He's just like what are you but do here. You're not part of our group and he's just like I fuck it. I try to help them. We'll see when I got me leaves and so he kind of just like bullies everyone else just like just a real hard on everyone at scares them all off. Shoko and her sister. There and he's like hey so What are you doing during the summer. Maybe we get paying out this one. fucking dude re to room. It's like oh boy and so shook under sister go back home and her grandma pulls. Her sister signed classes like hey. I'm worried about you like you're really wrapped up in Showbiz life like don't forget to like liver yourself and her sister's like you're doing the same thing with your learning a sign language. It's like I'm doing that for me and her sisters like I'm doing this for me like it's the same thing your kid. I got two good grandkids like you had kids and then we see she has like the circus sister has dream about going like this dead pigeon or something at freaks out and Wakes Wasabi. We see her in bed with grandma trying to come back to sleep and then it cuts to show you out dating bread. Kinda talking up. Hey she'll go how you doing planning to meter began acting like nothing happened yesterday after he just snapped at everybody and at the British. She sees her her sister in a school uniform crying further down under the bridge. He's like oh I should probably say something never mind kind of turns away alien and see at she sees him up at the bridge. CK Show you what up shit sober and school uniform trying to play trying to play it off like a normal day and he's like yeah. I saw you crying earlier. Words going on you. Don't WANNA be involved. He's like yeah not worried about you. Though you grandma see the same thing yes because it's concerning find if you wanna come along you can tag along with me is he okay and get to this gate abolished the street. She's like all right. I'll see here and kind of futile boarding school. Is that what she's in the uniform. as he shows walking away she confronting back obscured and then comes back and she says she's scared. Hoard fucking cut to grandma's funeral dizzy that happening and we see that she's in her school uniform because I'm guessing it's the most formal clothing she has so. That's why she's wearing it in the summer. It's just like oh boy. That's that's a rough game. Show you Texas show okay. Oh saying like hey you wanna go out tomorrow kind of get your mind off things and they go off. Co Train and they do to museum and they spend all day together and you get flashbacks whether kids moments like this and we see him going uphill trip and ship it goes to help him and she politized. He's the one that made her unhappy so so now he'll always be unhappy when she's around her kirk kind of saying like because you believe me when we were kids and now you're just trying to redeem yourself so now you'll be unhappy when you're around me and he's signals not truly come on. I WanNa be around you and then we did a shot of all fizz like newer friends turning their backs on him like in a kind of a date or kind interim. This was sad. This reminded me of the end a fan of the opera when he singing masquerade to himself off. I don't know if either of you have seen the I haven't heard it since I was a wee baby. Oh it's sorry some says he's doing the same thing. He's he's definitely going through another depressive episode well. There's no there's no pretending like we can just go back to the way things were be happy so down to double down and he just hangs out with. Shoko and her sister a bunch and he's like clearly forcing himself to be happy and upbeat. I feel any guilt on happy when we hang out. This is healthy healthy lifestyle L. physically and he's like Oh hey tomorrow we do. The singing like we already got plans. He's like okay. Maybe I can come along like yeah. You can come along and then which cut to them in their apartment and showcase apartment and they're making a cake. It's the month birthday so they WANNA make cake show so he was helping out. He's a yeah I'm GONNA trump bounce for your mom gets back because the last time she saw me she made me upside the face so leave your mind because of the multi thousands of dollars that I call stir. I don't know why it's fine. He could stay and as soon as the mom walks back interesting the footsie to here okay okay tha chill mom cool he can rock and they're having that they made and they're having a little birthday dinner sort of thing and sook his mom says like oh is. I submit your photos to a contest. So what do the show because idea come on. I did just somebody for fun. It's not a thing than the make plans to go out. See Fireworks Erase later 'cause it's the summer it's anime fireworks gase the main girl Yukata check so we'll be on the bigger point and and so we see them out like at the festival having snacks and stuff and having a good time in this fireworks and while they're watching the fireworks sugar sister and her mom get up uh-huh hey. Let's go get some snacks. Come on mom and he'll leave the two lovebirds alone yeah. Thanks for everybody out and started kind of his birthday and sugar. It's like she was happy. She signing and they're talking about like Oh. It was her mom's birthday. When's your birthday. Oh Man. I can't believe I missed it like just miss it a few weeks back next year. We got a plant something he's like. Oh God I'm planning next year stuff like we're a couple kind of gets nervous nervous and all of a sudden. Shuki like get something well. I gotta go. I gotta go to study but it's the sum ISSUR too key. I got a Gal now granted 'cause. It's all signed subtitles so that's just like Kinda. Don't know sidelining that you kind of what she's saying from him saying okay. I guess I'll I'll see you later and she leaves the festival to study and her sister and her mom comeback wing what happened the other. She just left us. Oh Hey do. I left my camera at home. Can you run back to our apartment and get it for me. Get into the fireworks instead Amigo back to get it yeah okay weird so it goes back to their apartment. It works just went and he goes in. He knocks and everything he's polite but he goes camera. I should make sure it's charged and as he turns he sees Shoko out on the balcony uh-huh. I wonder what she's doing out. There thought she was supposed to be studying and he sees her start climbing up on the railing of the balcony. Oh I know what's happening. He's been there there and as he do Surani does the Shoko trips a table chair and he falls over and it gets back up and we see we see the current flagging over the window and we you see her standing on the railing and then the curtain flaps over the camera pulls away she's gone yet but then we get cut him like leaving like diving over the railing hanging on and and he grabbed her by the hand at the last minute. He's still holding her and he's like trying to pull it back up like come on you. GotTa help. This is what we're doing is praying to God bodies like God if you help me out with this like I won't run away anymore. I'll start listening to other people's feelings and stuff l. SORTA looking people in the is like a turn my life around and all this stuff and he's even realize it's like I never even apologized for stuff. I did as a kid like I don't think I ever apologize for scarring here. Here's from ripping. The hearing aids out. All this shit is come on guy. You GotTa help me out L. and that you see Shuker reached back up. Its or pulling yourself up onto the balcony and ready. She's getting back over the railing. Show you like falls trips over at he falls off the railing instead so then we got shot of him falling any falls until the river we've seen earlier we see kind of blood pouring out a bit and it's just a hard cutoff sirens and lights so yeah show you fell off the balcony instead. He got his wish familiar Ed. This fad cuts to ship it. A sister like I guess in a hospital waiting room. I think this is super clear and show his mom shows up. Hi Mrs show US bomb just wanted to ask how show he was doing and all of a sudden. It's go. He's chose. Mosley seems pretty upbeat considering her sons in hospital for falling off how many stories and now he's buried. He's fine now. They took him out of the ICU in. He's in Gallatin room now like he's doing good. He's in a coma own. Yeah we find out she's really upbeat and I ah you will live just not right now right now and at the moment does mom like walks in and associates sees showing his mom she it just drives down and like based forgiveness at Super Hard and crying like I'm so sorry it's my fault. It shook his follow. It should and should show his Mobley pornography non. Stop the stopped note. Stop for for dentists isn't. It's no one's fault like it. Just it happened. He's fine. Let's move on sort of and her sisters cry I too and then we cut to we see shook an outside and just what's happening. She's getting bullied a fucking game by bitch. Who's just Yes yes. You just saw physically hitting her meeting her your reason he would never be in the situation hitting her while she's hitting her. You're shook his mom comes out and it's just bit slaps the girl across the face and then they start fighting and like I know sure because moms trying your best. She seems it hit a lot of people. I don't want knowledge that I think as soon as we are introduced to her mom. She just doesn't seem like a great person. 'cause I don't know it's not it's never made completely clear but in my mind the fact that she was like tell. Shoko this to to use you to in my mind again. It's like that. She never bothered to learn sign language so like she doesn't know how to talk to Shoko. You know what I mean so like I was just like Oh. She's a bad mom got it. I mean I think I'm not mad at her. I just think I don't see nearly enough of her to get a real idea Sushi. She's in maybe like scenes in this whole movie because we only ever see her children so excuse me beating children who have beat her child. Yeah I mean when she slept now across the face like it's what she deserves said that out loud. It's everyone in this deserves to. I'd show code needs a nothing. I have nothing against her beating her daughter. Ron Ron Anyway as she is mom comes out pulls them apart like let the doing knock it off your bitching about my son and trying to see him. AM and don't be don't be fine around my thug off and she goes to the Shoko unlike how sugar crying and apologizing profusely got Jesus what I just say. It's not apologise about my son. He's GonNa be fine and then back in their apartment. You see her sister taken out some of the photos she had like stick picture like some dead frogs or like roaches. I think maybe if there's less death brown. Sugar won't try to kill herself as his Zuroff seen. That's made me cry right. That's something that made me cry is another day. She'll try to visit show you and run. Stephen and they find out bish has been in the room the whole time and blocking. Shoko from going into visit so Shoko goes out and like talks. Stephen a bit more finding a he's a he's my true friend. I can't lose him. He's the only guy it's just like. You're a pure boy and he's like I know you'll wake up like don't worry and shocking wants to try and she says she wants to try and rebuild what was destroyed so she goes to all of their friends that like snap that and trying to rebuild all the relationships and stuff and try and bring everyone back together and then we see her waiting outside the hospital for bitch to come out and she's waiting there like multiple days in a row wral. Try to mend the fence with her but she's a bitch she won't she's walking past and then we see Shoko has a dream about Chile's suicide. I'm lost here. The stream was confusing for me. He's getting a lot okay yeah. I wasn't super clear on that. that makes more sense she wakes up search running down and she wrote the bridge where they usually meet up and she's just crying crying like he's not here and it's right when she did her what she's bringing out crying. Show your wakes up in the hospital. It just like Oh what the Fuck Oh God why live in hospital fuck this and he gets out of the bed and to serve this. This hospital's got shit as security 'cause I just won't go from Tacoma and just walked right out the where is his nurse Yeah. There should be some sort of alarm or security guard of some sort hello so he walks in the room service. He walks up to the proud of you so you know she's not here but it's because she's off to the side like crying on the Loyd a cubby area and when he gets close enough he sees her. He breaks down and cries and they have this. This moment startled is accused really here. He's awakening maybe here and conversations or didn't meet to her and he apologized for all stuff he did as as a kid and she's saying that no my phone. I was being selfish and like everyone's trying to be because of me but it's like. I'm not being better for them and and it's just this real like I'm not doing justice. I'm going to try like I am but as a conversation between the two of them saying like basically trying to say like they both heat themselves and they're like well. We got work on this because so far. We both tried to kill ourselves. Shoko doesn't deserve that at all. Nothing is your fault none. None of it's her. Oh yeah all of your friends. Everyone says I want he wants. Shoko to teach him how to live any kind of gets like for the Oh God. That's very openly embarrassing. You guys just almost idly. It's okay to be open and we see show you asleep in the car car and his mom's driving back from the hospital when he gets there. Maria watering plants offside. She's like Oh show you died and hugs sport of this movie we as well as they believe actually ducks back. She was in your bed hospital room. Every day like waiting for you to wake wake up and say oh I should talk or still bitch and she goes a little heart to heart. Anticipate says like I'm never going to like show cow. I'm always GonNa like heater her 'cause she's deaf have and there's a little rain and she says tears enough she says. What is your believe you in high school. He's the one applaud you out of the river like when he fell into Donna told you that this kind of trying to like even still repair his friendship from back that goes to see he goes back home. NC surface MOMS that are getting Erica and she's like hey show you sorry again about the whole balcony thing it's fine. Stop and let me see ads popping like I'm GonNa go pick up Maria from the playground. What what who were severely nice. Can we introduce a new character five minutes before before this movie ends Cool Yeah Okay we see him in the montage in the beginning and now and yeah so I I think they say he's like a soldier. He was deployed or something and he just came back so he goes upstairs. took a sister to go. Hey when the photo contest. I'm trying to get back to school. I won the contest. I'm bad at school. Can you help me out. Is it helps. Teachers are study and get ready to go back to school and then he sees those little stick animals that show could gave him earlier his Mama. Maria put them in the garden. He's like Oh. I guess that's what they're supposed and he means show back at school together. Thanks for being here at my school school because she doesn't go to the Simpson. Thanks for being here for me and as he wants back in the school he's Kinda getting another exciting attacking getting depressed because everyone's talking about him whispering and he's kind of get overwhelmed and handed sugar. I pulled him back. Obviously not an end like pulls a by the hand back to his classroom to help and when he opens the door everyone's like oh shoes bag in any just shuts it began overall again an and goes into the bathroom like get some catches breath in like brief and it's Stevens there and he opens the bathroom door. I'd knew you'd be alive. uh-huh and he's like my best friend and I couldn't I couldn't have gone on my only friends with any kind of brings back to reality and grounded pulling out the bathroom you see Ron and reminding there and every kind of like rekindle yeah we kind of had a thing on the bridge but like we can go past asked this and everyone's their sugars airlie talking still and we hear bitch on the silent stairwell like come walking actually got everything's game so sappy. God hears. She's like Let me guess. He's GonNa apologize like she always does. You're a moron Iran Iran and that's when shoka grabs her hand and start signing when Moron isn't sign language. It's just about it's it's. It's nice soc- Shoko kind of her her now now H. Yet she signed it wrong and Choko was like hey moron. This is how you sign more and it was a good like finding supposed to actually stands up for. It's supposed to be array deeming moment for now being like Oh. She's learning to sign. That's nice but it's like the first thing you signed to show more on so I solution and choosing Oh. That's pretty close to what you're trying to say okay yeah. I thought her hand came doesn't let me fix it but the other way you guys described it makes more sense in a better seen anyway so now that they're all like rekindle stuff they mended the bridges and all the hurt feelings show you goes on to like the fence folate courtyard of the school and seasonal stands shots of all its friends and everyone's happy and he gets all emotional up. We get another shot of like the shape of voice. Which is what the movie opened with so it's like a nice book end to the to the opening so yeah? That's that's a silent voice. He accept public people into his life God. I'm not even GONNA ask anyway so yeah. Let's let's chat. Shall we so you know how y'all felt about bitch girl that that's how I just felt about show you the entire entire movie just like we can't come back from this. I mean I can see your point of the severity of what he did. It was so bad it's irritable but is that to make the argument that no one is ever a table like there is a threshold of irritability that is right like. I do believe in redemption but I feel like number one. He was feeling ostracized because everyone was like hey you fucking suck. You bullied that deaf girl out of school and also while we're being critical of you we also notice you don't make eye contact but primarily you are a believe that we do not like or want to interact with so setting him up as the victim in the same way as the death girl is not a fair comparison. I guess and I guess I never really saw him that way. I never saw him as a victim like yeah. He was bullied but I was just stayed with fucking movie in like it all comes down to basically we wouldn't have this movie. Show yeah was any other person that would say fuck you as soon as he showed up in high school like if we're all DORK ASS losers. There's if someone who bullied you. In elementary or middle school came up to you and just out of the blue didn't say sorry or anything. It was just like hey. Let's hang out. Would your immediate first reaction be yes. I'm going to fully dive into that but I think another thing. Is that Shoko Oh is so naive like she always wanted to be his friend so like I think just like that validation from him like this is a toxic relationship like I think I think that that that validation from him of like I wanna be your friend. Now was was like hell yeah man. You know what I mean. I think she already had more of an into more of a reason to be more more accepting than if light hey I got bullied by this asshole like elementary school and I never wanted to be his friend and he wants to be friends no thanks but she had more of a a goal worship. They already had a reason to establish that also I would say I was being with show you with these guys saying like he was an asshole. He doesn't deserve to be redeemed. He deserves to be bullied like he was bowing others coon. You also make the case that that's the same as what bitch girls doing. She's like Shoko deserves to be bullied because she's different. She deserves it. It's justified defined for yourself. Why you're treating her like this so you were saying he was a bully now. He deserves to be bullied is just another justification for like. I'm just applying as is happening. I think we want to dissect it. I'm not standing by like yes. It was right of the school to lash out against him. It it was the movie sang in high school now. They are on the in even playing field. That is what I disagreed because he's ready to kill L. himself because his high school life is so terrible because of the repercussions of his actions when he was younger okay okay so it's not so much of yeah. This fucking bully deserves to be bullied. It's because this bullies bullied that does not erase race the debt that has been established by him bullying this death woman okay yeah. I guess I just saw him getting bullied as its consequences. Commodities come up was shitty harm to someone who couldn't really stand up for themselves force them out of school in cost them sixteen thousand dollars in damages and the school was like you know what you're not a good person and we're not going to hang out with you. That seems valid. full-on bullying is a little much but see. I've even when they were kids. I felt it as the reason everyone turned on him because he tried to bring everyone else down when he got trouble and they're like Oh. You were trying to get us in trouble to night. You're going to get ostracize yeah. I think there's just a lot of it. Also is like not a lot of it is that there are things tiller. It should be interpreted in your own mind. That's what it's coming down to right. Now is like we all saw subtext we all saw. These characters is different people so like while while shows like not likeable. I think that because he saw the error of his ways he's he is more redeemable than like now because she still hates. Shoko for literally. No reason you know that brings me point number two so yeah like with the establishment that bitch girl is still bitch girl outside of elementary school. It's SORTA leans into. I specifically remember. There is a Demi. Digitally Bay has a parody of the ending song for Green Book which has a great line. That's it's been stuck in my mind all day. It says perspective is a key. I'm GONNA paraphrase a little bit. I just needed to find someone more ablest this than me and that sort of what now the character was of oh now we can root for show yeah because we have someone who's even worse so he's no longer the villain. It's the person who's even worse see what you mean so establishing. Oh because because I was as a child we can overlook that because she's ablest as an adult well even then still in highschool so not even full adult okay so superbug me so much at least twice in this movie. Someone has has told Shoko hey life is hard. Sometimes you just have to deal with it. Says all of the able bodied bullies to this bullied deaf woman saying hey life sucks sometimes yeah multiple times so they really tried to hammer that point home. That life sucks sometimes as like. Hey No. You don't get to say that you person who bullied this poor defenseless child yeah everyone had the best intention but just that such like tone deafness of hey you struggle just with everyday society but me a person who has everything. I'm GonNa tell you life is hard. Sometimes you just gotTa deal with it yeah to the one person who has not been like visibly affected the most forgiving person to like Jesus Level I would argue the case. There is still There's a saying where it's like. The worst day in someone's life is still the worst day of their life. Regardless of the severity of other people's lives the worst. I S soldier has two faces much worse in comparison to the worst day of late in year old girls but it's still the worst. They live up to that point so it's hard to compare you. Don't don't WanNa make pain and suffering competition into WHO's. Had it worse but it it I think it is much more of a problem with this movie because it's it's the pain and trouble that Shoko is going through isn't flicked it upon by the characters like talking about their struggles as well. Will you have struggled for other reasons. She has struggled because of so I I do think that is a fair criticism of this movie. so it's it's interesting that there's so much subtext and maybe language barrier and miscommunication in a movie about a deaf person communicating how she feels yeah and I I will acknowledge. I am very much in the minority cuzner. The only two bad reviews I could find on rotten tomatoes of this movement really one. I agreed with I've heard some people uh not admonishing but like saying like there's a reason your name was so much more popular than like. I think I think a majority of people do say I I have heard other criticism of it so yeah but like on rotten tomatoes critic reviews is like ninety two percent positive and audiences ninety four and some of the audience were like it's too long. I only like the funny one so I just credited. Uh those things but yeah the one review it was from the village voice. Basically I agreed with it saying hey they coded oded the attack on Shoko in the classroom when they're elementary school as rape because he's like standing between her legs beating on her so like where why do I care about this kid and like I I have the same feeling like I don't care about your redemption. You don't deserve to kill yourself. Of course we're be bullied but like no one knows you you this forgiveness to to bring in another quote from a show. I like Bujak horsemen. You have to live with the shitty thing you did for the rest of your life. I'M NOT GONNA give you closure so sort of going in and being like hey I wanna be friends. Woman I tormented is putting it all on her to to keep being as forgiving as she was as an elementary school kid which she has every right to say. Hey fuck off like her entire. Your family basically did but she just happened to be the most forgiving yeah. I I agree with some of those points I think that's still would back in does not deserve redemption and it's up to because she was the victim the bullying it's up to her to determine if he deserves to be redeemed and in this situation it's based on what the writer wanted. It's not like she's a functioning person. She didn't make so. It's just it's a very scripted scenario because it is a movie. If it was a real life circumstance it'll be up to it would just be up to debate of whether she forgave him or not and that's it because it's a frame narrative. It's more debatable of like. Is this okay or not because it's so much chose to do it for her so we're also already doing long so I won't be too yeah. I'll I'll leave it there with this is a well intentioned idea but it sort of leans into you. Boys will be boys as long as there had good adult. Everything's fine and it's like that's not great yeah. I can see that case that that'll that'll. That'll do that if you want to end on more positive notes because you like now. I'm I mean I'm going to I've been. I just feel defeated like I don't know what else to say like. I I mean I liked it while I was watching. It and I think every point you made is is fair but I don't know I don't have any. I mean I'm not gonNA. I'm not gonNA spend sometime. Defending it like you were defending Iraq and again favorite anime vast majority of people agree that this is great so I I will gladly Bradley Retreat and say it wasn't for me if that's what it comes down to you on a lighter note next week the birds birthday things but we're starting up something special. We made it a year. We did a full year so we're not just doing just doing an anniversary episode. We're doing a month special when we are doing anniversary upset but it's leading into a marathon. Yeah we are where we're diving into to at least my anime origins. We're going to watch a whole mess of four kids silver our one year anniversary since next week is the official anniversary it'll just be as the celebrating but then we're going to have a whole slew of fun people joining us to talk about some questionable at. Eh so next week we're starting off is also dangerous birthday so he picked to Hugh Mu. Yeah I'm excited. I haven't seen anything of it really long time. 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Episode 198: Baile Sorpresa
"Hi this is five eighty five and this and we are. Let's he knows who lunch. The podcast talk about important things like though though those oh look over hello hello hello. Good shoka shoka show. Oh you know just here. Barely able to move. Because i am at an age now. Where like my back goes out. I guess it's the first time it's happened. And i have been bad written ami bed ridden. Yeah that's the word. Yes so. I can stand up now. I know what that is. It's it's the beginning. Today we collect rupaul at the judges panel. I can't turn my neck to the to the right. Just forward okay. I'm ready to judge on drag race. I'm not gonna move my neck promised. Oh my gosh oh my goodness what are you. What are you doing to are you into the i can. I can give you really good in vegas demand on me like this is model said get you so what. Yeah i will need that chiropractors information thank you just yet texted to me Or we could just keep talking about it on the podcast like we're old ladies Yeah yeah that's that's the i was. That's one of the things. I was talking with shane that my conversations are now like what are you listening to or like. What are you watching on. Tv is like cavalier order like did you use surviving clear. What what are you so when your bed. Ridden get kicked kaminsky travis. What are you talking about. Not just laying there to. Yeah just drinking my herbalife shakes. You know he's got to stay healthy. And i i drink herbalife shakes and i watched zimba on youtube. He was and they said that they knew that was dead. Okay they line days. No nobody where have you been up to enough about me. It's you know like today. I woke up. And i was like let me so. I'm record. latinos who launch have my class and. Today i'm going to talk about my project. So i don't have to do a lotta reading. I went for a walk. Because i'm trying to do this thing like i do a lot of weights but i've been watching. I watch a lot of youtubers who talk about you. Know like weightlifting and perfect form and blah blah blah blah. But one of the things. I noticing is that like all this like big like weightlifters. They actually take walks and that helps a lot. And i want to start seeing results after like a year working out pretty much like five six times a week also. I'm trying to change my diet a little bit so we are doing a couple of like vegetarian. Nine's a couple of like non from nights. But i don't wanna be on a diet like i just want to implement new habits so yesterday was was carved night so we got noodles. We got raise. Thai food from albuquerque was really really good so this morning in in the spirit of healthiness. I made some of my famous scramble x. Which basically is like looking gwen thrace louis. Just a little while. So it was with champignon nez canal opinion concerning voyeur. Consultants you name it. I've been reading a lot a lot of protein because it girl ever. Since i got this couple of chino sheen i have like four couple china's a day and it's not like full fad milk with like sugar and sugar and sugar and sugar. That is not helping. So i have to cut back on that and then you know like push myself to have more protein all throughout the day. So that's what i been trying to do. Oh well but the point about this whole thing is that I went for a walk. I went for okay. Okay okay okay. Back in our in our my my agenda full got full. I went from like. I was busy for like two hours this week today to like i've been here since like eleven and i'm not going to be done to like eight. Pm like just in one hour walk. I was walking in answering emails and accepting zoom meetings and. Yeah yeah yeah. Some sort of them better. You know hashtag but less how. 'bout you besides being stuck in the bed. Hashtag riveting content. Thank you for that. So what have all you know what i have been doing. Okay here we go shout out to texas. There's this begin diner in fort worth dallas. I think there's in both places. Yeah it's called spiral diner. And it's like a fun quirky. You know vegan diner and they have these nachos there that are bomb with like cashew cheese and it tastes. Median very savory. I think i talked about on the show shoot cheese. Yeah so it's it's nacho cheese but made with cashews santa maria okay. Yeah yeah and so. You've never heard of a nut cheese before nine that for it's too early for that stop. It was done it. A warm up my vocal cords. So stupid you don't have a comeback. Okay i'll keep talking now. Great low. Great yeah so. I gave you another one. Oh i just like like a t. Ball just have it there for you and your brain works interesting ways. You're too busy about eating enough protein. Oh my god like blacked out during your diet talk. It's triggers just like okay. okay. Wait. we're me. Riveting content that i've been waiting for a girl let's do it. Let's talk about cats shoot cheese. It's i'm not going to give you the okay. So i may or may not have gotten a screen a screen screenshot of a picture that somebody took from the recipe card from the kitchen at spiral diner shadow to ever of the radio for this and so i have their official recipe. I'm not going to give you the measurements. But i'll tell you what's in it but it's basically cashew cheese oil like vegetable oil but you take the cashews and you soak them in hot water. If the cashews aren't raw. If you just have some roasted cashews you can even ever gave me this tip. You can boil them a little bit so to soften them up and then do the rest of the process so if you have raw like fresh cashews you put them in a blender you let them soak a little bit with with a couple cups of hot water. And then you add vegetable oil you add equal parts nutritional yeast to cashews. That's what gives it like the the cheesy meaty flavor and then thickness and then you add lemon juice or lime juice And then you add a some pepper peppers. I should say for flavored like red bell pepper. I made mine with jalapeno last night. And get those and then spices spices. Different kinds of spices flavors. Okay let's of flavors and then you blend it up and then you put in a crock pot and you let it thicken for hours. And then when he gets to the right thickness you pour it over your nachos and you. I'm you know. I'm the i thought you were going to say. What is the right thickness advil. Vida he then you and i had some. I had made some choices. So the from the day before. Like Soya reseau potatoes. You know like on our neighbor with with but i made like a vegan version of it with jodi. So damn that's commitment girl. That is some commitment to their diet. I mean it's not a diet. i'm just i've just. I've been vegan my whole life. I don't know what you're talking about so similar way but anyway it was great. That's what i had That's what i've been having for the last couple of days because shoe nachos yes alamo underway all where you been. You're over here. you know what i did. I discovered walks. Oh girl please ask. have you eaten. Give me some good. What give you some good that you eight that's it. Oh what are we always had poach cod onto middle all right. That's enough that the nice yes gave him beat. I didn't think it could get worse. But we're already a little nozzle x. Okay let's take a little break and then we'll be right back with listener ladders. Debate sh- today's episode is brought to you by you. Thank you so much everybody for helping latinos with lunch over the years. Especial shoutout to all of our patriotic patrons. And this time we're thinking are gone. My that is so you can go to patriots dot com slash latinos. Who lunch and join our patriotic on bonus episode. 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Did she all right. Let's do this on on Thank you so much everybody who sent in listener letters. And we're gonna try to give you advice. I was going to say the best advice but that is false. You wanna go first or or should. I bet that led to all right. First letter is from. Stephanie titled mfa. Or nah i'm gonna tell you right now Nah nah i'm just kidding. Okay my question to you is what kind of work can i do with an mfa. Since i know you are both fellow artists that is both meaningful and pushes me to produce do any jobs like that exist. I do love being a teacher. But sometimes if i'm being honest most of the time i wish i had a different job that could give me the freedom to work on my craft. How did you find a job that allowed you time to work on your craft. I feel like. I have no idea how to find a career after finally finishing my mfa. I don't think i can commit to getting a teaching credential. Something i will need if i continue teaching because i have so much debt after grad school and wanna work awhile before i even consider a phd. If i decide to do that i have been offered an opportunity to possibly be able to get my teaching credential for free but the reason it is free is because i'd have to teach at a seattle school for at least three years after receiving my credential thou would mean four more years here. I'm not sure if i can do that. I missed the son good tacos parties and super and hot summer nights. Please help any. Advise is appreciated. Stephanie thank you stephanie. I thought that with an mfa you teach at least in out in the level of a community college. Yeah maybe they're talking about teaching like Like younger kids in a school system. You can have an mfa in are not have like an mfa in education you know. That's probably what games. So so i think the phd. Listen like a phd is such a fucking commitment. I if i to be honest he knew what i was getting myself. I probably would have said no really. Yeah really because they were so many moments where like not only. I questioned my career. But i wish life like you became so heavy but at the same time i have no regrets and i'm so happy i was so naive about it. So if you go into a piece to grandma program you do. Have you have to come. You have to go with the knowledge that this is it like a professional student. It's your full time. Job and a phd. I don't think there's i think there's one or two programs in the country where you can get a phd in art. You can yard history or other things but not in art so if you were thinking of in i don't even know. What are you learning the art program. Anyway i don't know it's there's been a discussion about that in academia for the last i'm gonna say ten years or saw if it's okay or not i would you do have an mfa. I feel like there's a lot of things you can do where you could potentially be part of a community college program there or even even a four year program that will give you funding to keep working on your work but at the same time teach. I not teaching is not your thing but listen you have to have a backup because in career as you know five we can give you everything and then all of a sudden can take it all away so you always need to think about a backup and having having either your credentials or having experienced itching and a college level. It's something that you could have for the rest of your life and and if you end up teaching you in a state level school that's it like most tomasson tampa of windows and i don't know i feel like there's a lot of things to do. You just have to explore your choices and if you having doubts about the i wouldn't go for the right now. I will just like try to give it a little bit of time. You know 'cause sometimes a year or two does a lot of work you know. yeah. I don't know way but do you regret getting a phd though because no not at all as an art historian. You really can't get the gigs. Unless you got one right right. I could teach no-no i actually you have to even lease have passed your exams not finish this rotation but you have to at least passed your exams in order to get a community college gig. I don't regret it. And i'm so thankful that again. I was so naive. No idea what. I was getting myself into but i think that thinking of myself thirteen fourteen years ago. When i made the decision. I probably would have said no because it's scary. What what happens and like like kirsten says like when you write a dissertation. It's like when you finish writing your dissertation. You don't know how much trauma you have because you have to deal with a lot of shit. It's very very complicated. Yeah but no. I don't regret it at all. Oh my gosh. Yeah i don't i don't i also don't recommend being an artist in the show. It's so hard guys. it's so hard. I love it. I love that. I i'm doing what i what i what i'm doing But i find myself in a position all the time like and might doing what i love. 'cause i feels like i'm just doing things 'test just to get by. It's just really hard. If you wanna be a fulltime visual artist you have to be like a jack-of-all-trades of all trades. Every does you know. I got the podcast going and i got you know these like gigs. That i have is kind of like producer facilitator consultant kind of gigs couple here and there. And then i'm like curing stuff. And then i'm trying to maintain an art practice that's like fulfilling but it hasn't for a long time. Then you throw your back out when you have a mural to make and four days and you can't move and you're not going to know how you're gonna do it and it's going to be shipped to. India is going to be shipped to indianapolis on monday. Any listeners are out there. it's going to be at some hotel let you know. But it's probably gonna be less detailed. That i was going to be because i can't move. So you gotta think about all these things and it's hard it's hard i will say if you really wanna be an artist. And you already have your. Mfa girl you're good. You go like I'm team bfa. I don't even have an mfa. People think i have an mfa. Because i don't correct them when they write that i do have one but that's thereby not mine and so I know a lot of artists that are successful. With just as and emma as yeah. I don't it's just not fair. You know like the the the academia is just it's a scam basically and there's just so many people with degrees that it's it's the workforce is hard to get into anything if you wanna have a backup plan right so i don't know i have a lot of artists friends that don't really rely on that. The ones that don't rely on teaching. They have to kind of work within this gig economy and pick up like a bunch of gigs that kind of sustain them as far as like paying rent and eating and then there art practices like extra. You know what i mean. Yeah and like back to that brillian quote academia scam like you had no business going to school. They just wanted my money right. That's what i'm thinking like. I'm documentaries about this out there. But ever since the sixties the university ceased to be so much educational space than like a business. And you're nothing but a number you know. And even and the level of teaching you know it becomes that but in the flip side you also have the opportunity to encounter others that are committed to what they teach there committed to what they produce and like me like. I cannot think of myself without having kirsten in my life you know. And that's despite the fact of like. I own a house in terms of how much i owe in education and thought the nets like i o fucking house. You know so. Like i couldn't even begin to think about buying a house before even paying off all this stuff so it is a scam into let them money. It's a business your number but with the good with good research with good community you also can end up in a program where it's it may change your life like it did for me so there's a lot of decisions to keeping into consider and a lot of 'em because because college has become a business. The decision of going to college has also become similar. That okay so this careers gonna make me money in. This career is not gonna make money like you say you do all this things but part of it. It's also komo. These import our morality. I was just thinking about this like really my agenda. Got fold today with content. Like with the youtube videos with interviews with this and that it's just shed that i'm doing for free just because i'm so committed to what i believe in an putting in creating content for for the channel and like like right. Now you know like recording this podcast so you have to weigh those things up. You have to say okay. Maybe i went to create a type of work that i don't know you think it's going to change the world and with that in mind it is worth owning a lot of money. You know so. It's just a lot of things you know. It's a case by case basis. So as much as we can say yes or no you have to wait. All of those options before fully ca mainland position. You know yeah yeah. So what's our advice don't do it. Don't don't get your teaching credentials. Or yes i will say yes because you will always have teaching as a backup because way in windows stucco under. You don't know what's going to happen so in at least i mean i'm not like we're would not necessarily essential workers but we also are because people always want to get educated and people always wanna learn so at least you know that you'll have a job you know and and in this economy and in this world knowing that you at least have not a nine to fiber you have on your you know into would answer yet ching. After way which is part of the reason why. I also say yes to impeach. The i'm like well. At least i'm going to teach even i'm not may not teaching harvard but even if i teach again in our community colleges long as i reach community and have a salary to fucking eat. That's it you know so you have to think about the. Yeah so. I say yes. Okay and just take a really hard. Look at yourself right now. Stop what you're doing. Okay way up while you're doing okay. Hopefully your home go into the bathroom. Turn on the lights off. Look right into the mirror and just turn them on right now and look at yourself. Put some so. Let me ask you stick in the background. That helps ask yourself. Do i really love teaching. Ask yourself that and look at what your eyes say the is you can tell a teacher by. Is they're tired. Solis is okay. I if there's a shimmer of life in the in the in the reflection in those is then okay then you do enjoy being a teacher If you don't girl don't do a girl don't do it okay. You just gotta the four years that you're gonna go through or three years In that program they're going to suck but you know what else sucks is your first four years as an independent artists trying to figure it out true and so you can do both at the same time. Okay all right well stephanie. Best of luck we just like we worst a hashtag. It doesn't get better. Okay nico and from nicole nicole nicole. Let's go with the negotiate podcast help. I recently volunteered to help. Host radio show for my cd's community organization. Gasoline la raza. I've never made a podcast or even on the radio. So i'm wondering if either you have any tips. Because covert already segments will be prerecorded in assembled before being published on there. So i'll have time to draft and finalize my ideas. My segment will highlight different music from around the world primarily latin america. Hit me a girl and drive into the cultural social and political implications of said music questions. How do you both prepare. Build your podcast the you improvise most of it or does a lot of planning. Go into it on a separate note. Do you know of any podcast hosted by peruvian americans or peruvians that you may recommend thanks again for your insight and always putting on a great show good mutual more nico year nicole. Nicola okay how do you both prepare slash build your podcast you improvise most of it or do you plan it. Actually this is. You know we've never talked about it right. I can't believe it. After all of these years. Five years. But i i actually write the script for this podcast. You think it's off the cuff reading right now as booze old little neier actors and yeah this whole show scripted. So it takes a longtime every episode takes about four weeks start off with a pre-production meeting brainstorming storyboarding whole you know we bring in the team we bring the producers. We usually get sandwiches. But you know beverly hills in a move. Just protein for him. Sometimes i don't know anyway. We go back and forth and you know we pick the best ideas and then we you know we build off of that and then we come up with the script and After that We put out the show and we make sure that it sounds like this amateur leave. We wanted there to be some charm so the sound is always a little off. The editing is off like we use. It's different it's what our music is. What can i say it's our aesthetic. It's our aesthetic like homemade like make it sound like beverly toes in random airbnb with the air conditioning on make it sound like like five. He's in a in a in a garage with jackhammers happening outside. You know make it sound real. Because that's what people want ability and real miss. That's what latinos lunch isn't and so that's why we have not that but the podcast is. Do you get what i'm saying. What else did i miss. Anything other alice babs all we do have. We do take a quarterly retreat. We take a quarterly retreat to joshua tree. And we get a big hjort. A big ten teepee remember that year we were on the tv. It's called the your you fucking uncultured swine yet and we do. I owe oscar and and that's really where we get the ideas. We're like yo- d- d say like we we get in from like outsource universal energies. It really is a very complicated process. And i think you can tell you can tell when it's a new moon or a full moon ideas during the full moon or the new moon like it can totally reflects you know you hear that you guys here. The dump the dump truck in the background. I i put that all in post. That's not even real. Okay okay how do you think we answered it right. Sit that's exciting are complicated process it really when when when five we talked about how. This is an extension of his art. Exactly what he's talking about. It is the production of this. Very real sounding. Podcasts yeah well. I hope that helped babs your next read the script so what would be a good tip of on this complicated process. What would be a good tip. I dunno pay somebody else to do it. I wish i would have for okay for was cute. But how do you how you both prepare build your podcast girl. It's a lot. I mean you're going to do a one off thing or is it. What what did they say. They're going to be on the radio show. It seems like it's going to be an actual like music show so yes it's like a second school. I mean i we. When we plan our episodes we plan them. We kind of plan them ahead of time. I feel like we do kind of like six months. Chunks of like what are themes are going to be so there actually is a lot of thought that kind of goes between them like beverly does like. Oh i want to have in our history month and then i'm like okay. Well i'm completely drained and have no idea so i'm just gonna do listener letters the last couple of months and that was kind of agreement you know so we do have kind of these brain story meetings to figure out what we're going to what we're going to do and then by lethal night over years have built up this report so we can just kinda do off the cuff like so for this episode. For example i was like. Hey bob's you're ready gray. Whose turn is it to do the intro. And that's it and then we go you know and and we do the and then i'm like okay. We're gonna do a couple commercial breaks and that's it that's all we talk about But for the more For the interviews and for the most in the more themed episodes you know we do our research head of time. Sometimes we even have phone calls ahead of time to make sure we've were kind of on the same page or we're going to talk about. And then we kinda just improvise as far as the music episodes. Because you sound like you're going to do kind of like your lawn chair like our parody radio episodes. That's a little more work. You you know you wanna if you're going to talk about the songs you wanna make sure you have good sound bites and and you know what you're talking about so you know there's there's a lot of. There's a lot of planning that goes into the listener into the the musical episodes. I do yeah. And i like i always keep in mind the whole entire year that at the end of the year. We're going to do this. I will listen to a novel. I'm like this content like like this could be the of the year you know like when when lippi mantha came out with that album which was like april or march it was like in the beginning of the pandemic thinking. Okay like this is like this is going to be one of the top. Three like is just too good. You know and it ended up being the. But i've been thinking about it. I've been listening to it. I've been doing research about looking interviews. So screaming domain subscribe at the dollar mask lies to us to lottery. Listen listen you have to be versed on those ideas and nineteen does what we see like like one five. He talks about all these recommendations of different park assist because he's listening to a ton of home and by now he's listened to so many and he listens all the time that it's easy for him to say. Oh this is a great park. We haven't heard this. Please listen to this stuff. But it's a matter of just like starting to get into the into the practice and it seems that you are going are versed in in latin. American music is just a matter of getting it started and don't be afraid like be natural and the beginning. I remember the very first time we're recorded in my house. I was like what are the ask. Manila's led the lunch and finally was like pinch cook with aluminium. And i was like what you're right like. Let's beaches natural and part of the reason why we don't do elaborate scripts or cuckoo chick. Almost good one good one but that was literally. That was the best advice dude. Because there's so many latino podcast out like bienvenidos like it's just like but that's that's the old school radio voice. You don't want to do that especially if you want to do. Hey i'm a regular person. And i know about music and these are my recommendations and that's it so that's it. Yeah that's it. I would recommend like if i mean usually during a music show. You don't talk during all the tracks you wanna play at least a couple you know. Let the let a couple go through. You know what. I'm gonna say my recommendation now because Because we're on the topic but used to listen to the show and it was my favorite favorite music show. It's from richmond virginia. Actually and i don't think that it airs anymore or at least they don't put it online like a podcast anymore but it was called the show and it was it. Was this guy christopher bogus. who's in that band. Guar guar for war. You know that going through. Yeah they like dress up as monsters bleed all over the audience and stuff. They're cool. I've seen them a couple times but They he had a show on. Rv news on like the. They're kind of npr station and it's spelled b. o. p. s. t. so bogus show and i discovered so much music Or learned about a lot of music through that show. And i don't know if he's the but he had a lot of spanish and latin american songs on that show and he has to be or his one of his relatives. Somebody so it was. I loved it. But what i love about the show is he. Did it kind of like a radio. Show like he would introduce himself at beginning and then he would introduce the song or a couple of songs that are coming up and then he would let like three to five songs. Play and then. Just give you a little nugget of like so. He's like okay at at the top. You heard this song by this person in this one and the latest song heard was this- and i like this song. Because it reminds you blah blah blah blah and onto the next one right. It was just like and there was always music. Playing there wasn't too many breaks. It was always music happening in the background. And even when he was talking it was some sort of instrumental song like he had a curated so well that like the song would start. Person would start singing when he stopped talking. You know kind of thing and so if you're doing a radio show. I recommend not writing script and and if you do want to talk about the band have have an outline. How bullet points so that so that you don't you say everything that you want to say but you're not reading it because once you can always tell on radio when somebody's reading and it and people automatically will just get bored sucks. Yes like so. I recommend if you wanna talk about the band in between bullet points you know and make it quick because people are are listening for your insight but also they want to hear the music right like for like is spent so much time and i read a book. I read fucking entire book. I listen to podcasts. But then deny sat down. And i was like okay. Tim important. Talk about this about this about this about this but i we didn't read anything. We had general themes that we wanted to that. We wanted to develop it. Hopefully you'll develop voice soon enough where people will listen for that. They wouldn't necessarily want specific details but they will. They want to listen to you. And your opinion and your taste in why you like it and while you're playing it and the last question the post it's about peruvian Approving american podcast. If there's anything you recommend. Can you think of anything. I i don't know if i know any peruvian specific or maybe i do listen to some podcast but i did. The nationality of the hosts have not been revealed to me. You know so. I don't know where they are from by But this is a good question for the listeners of anybody knows of any peruvian podcast please please please shared on twitter shared in the comments on this instagram episode. Post and let the people know. Because i would love to hear some. I would love to in terms of music checkout again. We always recommend the same one but kickoff sonmez because song mask cure rates shows from area. So he did like a whole entire series of interviews from artists from donna and then he did a whole entire series of artists from costa rica and peru and colombia. So check out some of that some of that content and again once you start once you fall into bed hall like you start exploring more and more and more and more and more and more and more so i will definitely use sung of reference for this new venture and let us know when it's ready hopefully before we we stop recording every week and maybe we can recommend it and let everybody know. Thank you nicole nicole. Ed nicole nicole nicole. I think it's just nicole while you've been extra okay we're gonna take a quick break and then be back with our last listener letter for this episode shish but the idea of a whole. We're gonna take a moment. can you believe we. Let's try to do it like berlin. are you ready. you can do it right. 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Okay category is blue being chip body. Okay here we go. Which lat next song always makes you run to the dance floor again. Me against the body like okay. He doesn't land pro-gay opponents opponents Community a man like illegals allowed. Leon late monday bus. You see doesn't atkinson year. They're like gear cumulus in amita like i'm down in body must have watery though. That really depends on the party. But if it's aladdin party less concern is the only way mincy and then mitterrand forum months to muesli musical and obviously swatter mantha even the white not put that on when when there's latinos to please let me know audience alabaman's swab him anti okay and so that was always a fun one. I love meeting so anything that ain't gift for me. Honestly he silently. It'll be dvd. I know i still like bela wait. Look you'll demented like we been like. I'm i'm talking about my alcoholism. But we've been buying bottles of mescaline always drink with my family or like your friends. Come over like we'd like. I'm getting into misguided. Maybe a little bit too much but mubanga baylor and a half to listen to bookies shout out to rudy and shout out to my mother like i don't know like that's how i get as he meant fiesta. You're anything from the book from the most boring songs to the most lead songs. The life sarah romanelli their whole episode about suave mentha the album lee and Elvis crispell who i believe is purdah rican. All right so let's do this next question. What's the best latin x party you ever been to. That's problematic question. Why 'cause like do the kenya that means pretty much quantum combat next party like. Yeah like i just think of it as a party. So i went to latin x fem- party or like you know what i'm saying so i don't know like why. Yes i go to the next party. Okay yeah like a latino party girl while you fronting. That's not a problem. Dan fuck it then. My wedding. That was sold lid. Like i mean. Maybe i was the only one that i had all kids in norway level with other mirror manner. That shit was fun. I will say that were on the. It was so good that i will. I will pass by the venue which is in front of the airport. In like i get like nas talia so but i think it's like having family together. The almost tacoma rainiers me and music. And so yeah. I'm gonna say la carnell cities man. I it's hard 'cause you know lat next weddings are so fun. It's gotta be a wedding for me to be a wedding. Yeah 'cause we party my dad's the family. They're fucking party animals dude like. I don't know it's like the people from our ranchos love to party. They have a party like when they do kingston yeras the duke era and then they'll do ladder colleen tara the next day at either the same venue. It's at the venue not somebody's house and then like or at a smaller ceylon and then they'll have like then i'll just keep partying and then the kids that go home. And then the adults keep partying the next day if they don't stop so yeah there's so many gains and not gain says really. I think there's too many kids that keane says. I can't really party you know it's like the weddings are where where the debauchery happens. Okay here we go next question if they don't play blank. Was that even a latin x party. So what song. If they don't play what song by the burrito the little. I think i think any also. Yeah or what else. Um gosh there's so many there's so many backing artists back. I remember when i was a kid like in the eighties. I've la la la and they don't play it anymore. How much how does it go. Ooh strength la la gap again and then everybody sent yup loses in the next. The next part will be like those part of our whole almost always come up in the hospital our known as gondolo and then it was like a whole whole entire thing and 'second soon novel tavern asked guna body way but i'll say we will keep us. They're more time would you. You know what song i hate. That they always play. Is that one where everybody dances. And it's like a fiddle. Is that the one that the one you were saying. It'll what does have it's like. It's like a fiddle is like a violin. it's like that song that everybody dance square dance to it. They do the same thing. No i think it's faster and faster meaning to getting any bitch. I i hate that song. I'm like because the dj always has the worst version of it. I'm like who is doing this anyway. If if anybody. If any latin artists wants to make some money just do a cover of that song. That sounds just a little bit better and you will be at all the says go yet. Yeah highway is an tony. Vito has to go did did. Yeah the one or like gives me gives me anxiety. Because i was alarm that i had in highschool not my here like the for school veto came to replace la jolla now. In retrospect what else lavaka move that one also. I mean less meat we of those songs. What's the one where they sing to each other. That one's that every fucking party it was so popular. I think he says the guano where the guy and the girl seemed to each other way. How does it go. Oh my god. Oh my god just take my lat next carter ready. I don't need white this or did regularly say anyway. All right so those are a few songs if they don't play those songs then is it even a latin next party okay. Wh- monkey super cristiano. They didn't want to play music for for people to dance. Those devil dances so there was no music and then finally girl welcome to my family parties on my guatemalan side bitch. Joy kilrea were bill. Wade gila crooked fallen novia. Getty norway's move all. I wanna fucking dance. Finally like reenact started like. Please don't stop the music and don't stop the music that's anyway next question. Okay next question. Candy slash snack you hate. Getting the most from bonanza anything that it's not wrapped like when i was a kid i wanted candy lament diem fruit us. 'cause that's the traditional way i will be a. Yeah when they put the little oranges in there. I'm like girl really come on. I'm like he's not even a problem anymore. Trying to heal us. Okay next one candy slash snack. You love getting the most from opinion when you get those little sneakers or milky ways. You'd new money like so from the border getting that you is like ours oof anything from the mars bars company. Okay anything for mars. Thank you so much. You're rich if there's chocolate and you're being yet the you're ridge okay but to get anything now like l. candy of three months yellow. Need us anything that marino. Because they don't like it so they just give it to me. So that's like my favorite now. Okay growing up my favorite candies were. I had two favorite candies from the out that it was the six. Let's do you know what six litter komo chickens. no no. They're like little balls of chocolate and they came in. They came in like a like a little to a plastic tube like in a row not a tube but like do you know what i'm talking about no i share like really small spheres of candy coated chocolate and they. They came in a row like in a little plastic six of them. Oh no and then so then you would bite the plastic and you could like eat all six like the know at one time. Nope i never had those were. Those were my favorite. No i know. I need to see them if i see them. Maybe it'll be like. Oh yes they look Okay we had. And then we had a and i just love the classic. The little mellows the little square brown oils yes. I came in the in the clear plastic. I can chew on those for day girl. That's why you don't have no teeth. That's what happened. thank god. I became a vegan at three years. Old dating them. Okay i know. Aren't they so bomb. Though and and little kids. I feel like little kids. Don't really like those as much as the other candidate. Because they're just kinda boring looking. Yeah so i would be like that thank you that yeah ok okay. Okay here we go. We don't have a few more questions left. You can only get one for your holiday season. What are you. Choose the malice or ross cavaliers tamales. Hello russ careers is just decoration girl. Okay would you rather have to. Okay here we go. Would you rather have to get another require though for your mom or get your face. Smashed into your birthday cake walking in another record of the for your mom. Okay so your mom never made you still quite of those all a get another record over my mom always bitch. That was my job. That was my job at all. The keith says that my grandma would be like hey florida's and i'm like oh god here so you know. Whenever it was time to go. I would hide it. It's funny 'cause like lacking enough to buy rental security in the moment of truth comes out last coverage for florida. No no no no. Sme mama no no no no no as media and they start fighting. I've been to continue. That's where like people fight and then you always have let the senior massinc goes as soon as a party starts ready. Have them all. They've already have them. All men go heels. It's like very contentious question so well you know that my family stop doing that like five years ago because a couple of our family members started party companies so they just rent those now like the not that aguado because then you know usually get a little something like on your table like i in your plate that you can take with you but like las los sarah lows in the middle are now like the party planner. Put them there. You know what i mean so it was funny the transition years from that to being like no no no no right. You know. you can't because you know some of our older diaz we're trying to take these giant as floral arrangements like did you buy them already. Aren't you going to throw them away or like no. They're rented bitch fight. You think you think all these fish tanks in the middle of all the fucking tables. We bought them winter. Pastel people please stop using fish in your leg lows. It's not cute. it never was cute. I know there are just feeder fish or whatever but girl don't do it he never see you've never seen that no one longer vegas extra girl. They put him live. Animals looking unique cardinals. People butterflies girl butterflies for the great butterfly massacre. That asia. o'hara did. I remember my. I told the story on the podcast. Before i think. So yes My cousin said they release the butterflies and the butterflies were in the cages all day and it was too hot so they didn't fly they just fell to the ground and everybody was just stepping on. It was supposed to be this moment like the birds flying in the air. You know like when they released of really started releasing butterflies and the butterflies. Were so tired. They were just like landing on people to get her to just because they didn't they cut fly. They just needed some water. Honey anyway. you know what tradition before when you should know. Content is like when they take top of the cake and then look like for years and i remember it since a kid i was stupid. You cannot eat that shit and like after years. After my sister got married. I went into her french open. The and i was like. Oh my god yes she save the top of the wedding. Which by the way i made it was so beautiful. That's universal. You're supposed to do that. I don't get it and then you're supposed to eat it. You're supposed to eat it like at your at your tenth anniversary or something like we made it. Clear those kinds. Yeah and then you get a new teeth. Had not new. I got i gotta get outta here. These painkillers kicked in hunting. Okay here we go. Would you rather be a chamberlain or a groomsmen okay. First of all is timberland aaron. I don't know why say with an our. Is that a french word. What do we say that chamberlain. I don't know why use the are as well because it sounds like chamberlain. But i have no idea timberland I don't know but i'd rather be none. i hate. I hate going to weddings. Atkins says To be completely honest. I only like i only like the reception sometimes but i hey putting on an ill fitting suit. I'm fat. nothing ever fits me. I have to go to fucking men's warehouse or wherever the fuck they get their suits from david's bridal and and just be assaulted by all the fucking people there that tell me. I'm fat over and over again. You know the last time for my cousin wedding who i'm about to be a groomsman for in mexico later this year the ladies like the ladies like okay. She measures me. Looks me up and down and then size like Like that and i was like. Is there an issue. Is there a problem here. And she's like no no. I have something for you. And then she comes back and she puts it on and it like fits a little too big and she's like. Oh i gotta take it in because the pants and the like. She's like talking like i'm not there to the other person pitch that's your engine up and then this is how fat people get treated. I'm just telling you. And then so then they brings out another coat and it fits me like perfect. And she's like she looks at me and is and goes. I'm gonna need you to do me. One favor by by june or whenever i don't even know when the wedding is now because it got moved because a covert but by the wedding you need to lose one pound okay and then everything will be great and i was like one pound and i'm like i literally can go take a shit right now and lose. What are you talking about. And she looked at me. Like i was like the devil and i was like why don't you. Why don't you get me a suit that fits me right now. What actually wanting to give me a suit. That will fit me if i gained ten pounds. How about that how. 'bout and she's like. I think this will be fine. I'm like okay by the years santa. here's a couple of hundred bucks or it was more than a couple of hundred bucks and second of all linear for listening to this. You mainly by an ill fitting suit for your wedding. That i had to travel to mexico to during a pandemic people in there fucking weddings. Okay would you rather be aware of that. So what would you rather be by. Lanner groomsman my my my answer. So much more. Simple tamburlaine always groomsman knowledge milan. Okay because it's fun. Or your little in your. I don't know i wouldn't. I'd hated being inconsistent. I was a kid. All i i fucking loved it all right last question right. I no no who more. If you had a keen say if you had a keen said what would your theme colors and venue location of any location food music by lettuce or press and who would be in your court. Simple question go ahead. Hey what's your theme. My theme will be highway escape. I could never do that. I think there was a point in my life where i was like. I'm gonna do this. I want to have like like triple kingston. And i went on compliance yet to be bit. What's your theme. i don't know man like what's your theme My theme is going to be under the see. What's your theme. might be will be land. Fine. everybody will have to be fabulous. Nice like great gatsby. You know these mexicans love a great cat been put on a flapper dress in a fake fur coat and a cigarette and they think they're white. Love it okay Colors colors will be the most obnoxious ones like like almost the prosecution. Rosa fuchsia e auto. Nice mine are going to be all jewel tones. Okay necks venue slash location. I always wanted to do a party. In a big casino like fancy as so like the bellagio Under the sea under the sea. I would have to say. No if it's under the sea it's gotta be somewhere cool. Maybe we can rent out like a like an aquarium. You know what i mean. That would be so cool. Like at the mandalay bay here in las vegas downtown. Las vegas i went to a wedding. Oh no absolutely not no food okay. Yeah wedding as not akin said. These kids will get murdered okay. Food sushi girl is going to be decade end sushi. I wanna just have a buffet. So people can just choose whatever they want and it'll be she buffet. No girl you don't wanna sushi. Buffet just want raw fish sitting out for hours. You trying to kill everybody. Nowhere okay music. What's your who's your dj. It'd be Mexico narcos sanity screw yes. I'm gonna have scrambled. This is all wrong. So i'm going to have person that i will never He's going to have scream bitch. I'm going to have the lady. Bunny be my dj. And then what. You're going to be quite violent. Sort of grace. I don't choke with other is a lot of bookies we something that people people thought we're working to bring get done. Then we're just gonna dance bookies. Going to be ridiculous might is going to be she. Bangs by ricky. Look and then who would be in your court in who shot charleena kim. Mitchum mitchell lama the because she will just love it who la linda marry. Oh yes she will be. Yeah that'd be fun. Yeah mine would be my just said. Yeah oh yeah that's perfect. Still she's like my best friend and she would love it and then it would be like all my cousins all my girl cousin so i would have like my court would be like twenty couples of all my first cousins. Oh that will be. It would be great. That'd be cool. Yeah so actually it would be. If it was all my first cousins it would be like thirty. two couples. perfect okay forty. Five couples perfect perfect. Okay and then cheated. Amari didn't add this question about a half to know where you're going to go take your pictures in front of the statue. All my god. I was gonna say in front of volcano next to the siegfried and roy statues the same location. You gotta get there early because then there's too many tourists. Okay all right last one. Well would your wedding slash vow renewal. Look like yes. So wh what would your. What does that as moment. I don't know what that means that. What would your what would your wedding vow slash restore look exactly the same i. Actually i keep like people that went to the wedding. Keep asking me what we just do it again but only being what three two and a half years. But i think in five years. We're going to do a party ingestion tracy. We'll be exactly the same. Nothing exciting nice. I think i would do. It has nothing to do with concern yet. I was like maybe we could be like enough in that tank at in the dolphin tank garage that it's maybe everything will center around under the sea. Themed so it'll be. We're going to go swimming with dolphins. And then the sat out to the the only people the yeah you know. She listens to this every week. The only people she's like my favorite podcast lunch Yeah i wouldn't want any gaps. Just the dolphins lift lapping. Actually i would like to invite the tigers and white lions as well that are in the secret garden so would have to be in the back pool. Where the you know. 'cause the lions and tigers are six of the garden so we would have to. It would probably. The dolphins aren't allowed. The male and female dolphins aren't allowed to be in the same pool together. Because you know they have sex all the time and so maybe it will just be the lady dolphins. We'll do to ceremonies to two for the female one for the female dolphins and the felines and then will do one in the front pool. And maybe that's the one we'll invite people can sit in the stands you know and watch a good old gay dolphin party. You know what why not. Okay thank you so much for your questions. That was really fun. We're going to take a break. And then bob's we're gonna come back and do you have any recommendations. Yes i do. Perfect did he shoot goma. My god we couldn't do without you. Thank you thank you so much. 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Thank you and we'll be putting some extra little things here and there before the end of the parkas did it did shoot all right. We're backed babs. I recommended that Radio show. I'll make sure to put all the links in the show notes if you forgot already. Don't worry about it. i'll have a link for y'all but babs what's your wreck surprise. I had no idea this was coming while tests has a new show on new. Show a new actual. Lp they really load lots of came to my in two thousand and eighteen. Like it was a little late to the game with with an epi kolkata. Carmelo and i fell in love with him. I think actually those one of the shows i saw in chicago. But this is the first full ep. Since two thousand sixteen. And it's those while if you like them it's like this beautiful stand. Pop duo from puerto rico. Its sleek the the production. 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Episode 160: No Pares, Sigue Sigue!
"Hi. This is five eighty five. And we are Latinos who lunch the podcast about important things like not live a niece blanche lesbian. Alot Shoka Shoka show how going BABS. Good back noisiest Chicago. How're you noisy. and. You live in the middle of city or what? Kind of yeah, but it's you know because everybody lives on top of each other right here like fucking animals so. There's construction next door la eleven, the simplisafe step in the. For now. Ask. And so I just. I set up in the middle of the living room with their phone. And away from the windows. Hopefully, it won't be too bad that very happy to be back home. How are you? I'm good I. Actually I'm still at my grandma's house because she has not come back from Mexico yet, so. This is still my studio. I do need to clean it out. Though because I I got a feeling, she'll be back this week. And so you know I have to like bleach the whole house down 'cause. If she saw the state of her living room mate now, she would have a heart attack. There's like Oh, my literally. My studio girl like I. Have The table set up in their? Hanging everywhere macy's Beta allows. You'll know it. You know it. Is Nontoxic Washable, so it's easy to clean up just. It's GonNa. Take me a couple of days so I gotTA start. After we record today, I'm going to start doing that and taking my mind, materials, home and stuff because yeah. ooh And then I gotta find a studio because I can't have all that paper in my house fire hazard girl. Are you kidding me? Mike Garage is just like ready to combust any second now so. I I got yeah go I. got to find a place that has like sprinklers because I don't WanNa. You know I don't WanNa. I don't WanNa. Burn a building on accident. Just on purpose right now so. Yeah, but you know what. I'm torn because. Living in a city with neighbors. I. Don't know there's something interesting about like being surrounded by that energy of other people. Because I did I used to live in a place. Remember when I lived in a warehouse downtown Vegas like. Literally, nobody around, because technically I was living there illegally. That was that was very peaceful for like a month, and then got kind of weird like just being. Just like not hearing anything at all ever you know. It's it's weird. It's like when you go to Joshua tree like it's a freaks you out that it's like dead, fucking silent. Yeah, but at least in nature there's like birds you know the occasional. You know desert borough, but like. I was. There was not even birds they're like. This is like I was next to the train tracks. So. The train with no trains because it's Las Vegas, there's like all this. All this. Infrastructure that they don't use. But Anyway All that to say I'm at my grandma's now. And the neighborhood that we're in is quite diverse I will say I'm on the like Spring Valley area of Las, Vegas. When it first was built back in the nineties, it was like very white and like White Latinos and now. It's like. Predominantly Asian. Let's Korean people a lot of Korean Americans. And now it's just like. Really diverse, so like my neighbors are all from all kinds of different walks of life, and but unfortunately the neighbors right in front of my grandma's house are trump supporters so constant reminder, it's a constant awkward stare. And I'm trying to be like a nice neighbor so that they don't i. don't know like you never know you have to be nice to your neighbors, you know. But They made this sign about reopening Las Vegas and they have these parties on their porch and finally I was like I'm not going to be nice to these people. They're fools, and so now I don't even look. Like say hello or whatever I'm just like. I'm just going to keep my head down because. I don't need I. Don't need me being fake. Nice to them like that energy to be like. I need to say that energy for something else. You know what I mean. Yeah I mean. We came back, to, Chicago. And it's a little bit of that. We're on the edge of a very racist. fucking neighborhood is changing. It's becoming very Asian bridgeport. But. You know it during the during the manifestations. There were a lot of vigilantes I don't know how they call themselves like that and be so racist. It's V lantis bend the host and they. They were with guns, just walking around the fucking neighborhood. It was like it's like. Like terrorists Ya Then it is a reminder, but it's also from three months. We were away coming back. You can already see the face of the neighborhood being diversifying more and more and more, so that's cool. But I. Know exactly what you mean so there. I do have a couple of those neighbors did in the first couple of weeks were here at tried to be nice. And I just can't so I don Looney Nana. Bencher. But. Here is not worth it this whole like Christian, like turn the other cheek thing I'm okay, but nobody response to that like nothing ever changes when you do that and you know like hello. Catholocism Christianity, it was spread throughout like control. Brown people. You know so. Maybe. We should be a little bit more critical of those lessons. Instead of just throwing out Random Bible verses go. Now. Let's talk about when Jesus like straight up whip. Those mother fuckers on the stairs of the church like. Remember when Jesus got all Dominatrix on them. He's like. Your Gallo earings the church bath. Get these. T shirts Outta here. He was pissed. Don't be selling shared at the church. Good yes, that'll Jesus I believe in. God should really make. You should remake that movie. I've seen so many movies. It's such a great scene Jesus up. He is fed up. Yeah! Gosh. I didn't ten JAHRE. Get you all English on. Baseball caps out of here. Do. Cake and I guess so. Thank you, thank you so much. Concern not now for the. I I now gone conscientious. Be Knock, Galago, go. More now go. Chiampou rally is Julio What are you doing. Alyssa neuro the. Ever ever life to have her stand because you know she's special. Jesus flips over the table with who owning and he's like. This is an herbalife. Church. Duchenne, Hor! Have Cookies have been? That's us. They must. Put those. The HOAGIE, no knee! How's your diet? What's going on in the past couple weeks? I haven't talked to you girl. I'm still on the struggle bust I. I'm trying not to go to the store so I'm just like eating random shit. You know what I ate yesterday i. I I haven't eaten since I was in high school. Because in high school I would just like. Make random shit cause. I mean my mom, my mom. She was such an excellent cook. She would just buy the ingredients to make the meals. And if we wanted a snack, we had to just like invented with whatever was leftover because she would get mad at us. The ingredients were God laws or whatever? So I would make I would make rice. Or take like leftover rice and make Tacos like rice tacos and put like I started with hot sauce. But then I took it to. The next started making rice rice ranch tacos with reg. Eight that yesterday it. GIC and I said Okay I. Think I don't have to do this ever again, but it was. Delicious but I'm glad I did it? Yeah. That's that's that's. That's above, but. That's about my that goes the Bologna human, dilemma, NASTY There's no nitrates in mind but okay. Go ahead. Kicking wrenches Florida's. Sugar how? Whatever you need a lot of pork belly. Horn belly, damn girl. Yes, some rich tastes. You'RE GONNA. Get the during this. Pandemic I can't tell you haven't been in district for a long time fucking at least so cheap. Yes, I am going to get the go. I'm not saying. that. It's expensive. I'm saying it's like it's like. That's that's like A. Year. Don't eat that. You shouldn't be eating that everyday girl. They'll. Tell you gout. Yeah I know that's what I'm saying so okay so I'm on defense because I am obsessed with watching videos of America's test kitchen, but I am just waiting for the t to come out, because everybody does a condo therapy soul. Everybody seal something, said something fucking stupid during all of this fucking protests I'm bona petite editor I think just got fired the cross feed. Person also quid This. That cross fit. All Cross. Cross feed. That can I. Can I work out crosby. So I keep I keep thinking. I keep giving all this fucking free promotion other. They needed to America's test kitchen and nine hundred something sheet is GonNa. Come Out, but anyway you know what a big influence or you are. On. The Twitter several bury. Shut Down Because you mentioned that block. You Anyway you get a fucking Feel the pork belly. And then you only slice the top like the skin and the fat lip bonus. Sally E. Commerce here Asuka Morava Marina and then you just keep it in the fridge for a whole day. You take it out. You put it in the oven for like three three and a half hours, and then you take it out of the oven, and all that fat that came out. You use it to fried the skin. The use card to begin with way. Run. When I, tell you I mean it takes forever, but so fucking easy, and you can just put whatever sauce yuan he quit would. have ever had pork belly moose UBI with an egg. Yes good. Incriminate! A WII excuse me. I. Forgot we have a Moose connoisseur over here. I am I could live off of Mosul for the rest of my fucking life, especially with all those combinations they do over there. They have this. They have this like spam wavell i. what got the Bacon Moose Ubi. It's fucking insane mental allante of meal. Put a cobb salad on a Mosul. What are they doing? But Anyway yes, a lot of important bellied this morning I had coffee. I had homemade banana bread. Made with strawberry jam home. Eating well, thank you so much I. Say Fuck it good. You know what? You mentioned bone, apetit and. I've been I've been seeing a lot of discourse online and. You know what we're going to save it for the listener letters because I think one of our first listener letters is surrounding. The performance of activism that's happening right now. Yeah, and so everywhere. Yeah, wait, so let's take a little break and we're going to get into your listener letters. Did they. Pitch. Hey Bob Alito. Home Guess what made me the. We are almost at one thousand reviews on itunes. PODCAST I tunes. And so I just want to encourage everybody. You know not everybody can help financially, which is fine, shadow, taller Patriot members. We're GONNA shot you guys out at the end of the episode. But. 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They don't know how to write I'm so sorry I love how the conversation flows from. To by Knoll, and it's it's by the funniest podcast. Okay, all right. Let me I'm just going to add some words to. This is by far one of the funniest podcasts that makes me burst out in laughter. Nobody's has podcast. or No Paris she. That's me back Mitch. Okay so. You can see hey, so listen. Please, help us get two thousand views. I would love that. That's Hashtag, attainable Hashtag very low goals. WHO's! The show. Did. And we're back. Okay, let's do this. Let's read some listener letter. Okay, so you as always, you can send your listening letters to ask l. wwl pod at Jimoh DOT com. You could leave a voice message. At our phone number, five, one, two, three, three, three, zero, four, seven one, or you can send us voice memo and an email last couple of episodes. We had some really fun voice messages. Keep them coming up, but if not an old fashioned email is just fine. BABS? Do you want to read the first one or should I? I all start, okay. This is from anonymous questions from by lethal students. Who Nice High! Wow! Yes, hi, l. w. l.. I'm one of the little students and I've racked up questions over the years one. Can you tell us how you got woke? When did this happen? How old were you? What happened that finally made everything. Click for you. I also wanted to ask if you experience quote, Unquote, a walk guilt with everything happening right now. I feel like I'm not doing enough. Although there is so much, I'm currently doing and have done to advocate for anti-racism in the past. Is just feels like there's so many issues in the world and I feel like Martyr Syndrome to fix everything I see. Too. How do you go about confronting your own family members about anti racism? When you are aware of the ways, they are systematically disadvantaged for example or for X.. I always feel hesitant to call out of my Mexican uncles. GRANDPA's because I know they have struggled with financial and racial inequality, their whole lives in this country and three. Why should we do about institutions that are performing activism right now? I feel like I. AM hyper. Were activists and performance right now by companies are institutions some of? Of which fun me find me or people, I know minute through diversity initiatives, but have no space for B.. B. P. O. C. People. What is this black indigenous people of color, but have no space for black indigenous people of color in their positions of power officers, advertisements, etc. How do we come back this? When we are the working class or working for them and do not have as much agency as damn good land answering all that? Lol, anonymous I. Think I know this is. You know who you are. Shut out you. Really they are yes okay. This this one's a lot. Okay, so I'm sure this was not prompted by you at all. Okay so. First, question Can you tell us how you got woke? I don't like using that word and. I don't know how about you, babs. I US walk, but I like these folks because everybody thinks her woke when they're not God some every time we say woke just like gives me that feeling. You get when there's a lot of holes and stuff. Every every. Every time you say woke. It gives me like alternate. Cringe, it's. Maybe it's coming from you I. Don't know bids. I think I started to. Okay, let's use another phrase become aware of the bullshit I think for me, was Grad school it was conducted intense for years where I was like fuck. I've been asleep this whole fucking time. And it was a lot and it just it doesn't stop. It doesn't stop so to for you to say your walk is just doesn't because you're always find something you are with learning and I think part of the. Part of the process of being or stain woke is knowing that you don't you're not so it it it it takes, it takes a lot. But I think I was so fortunate to be with some bad ass scholars in the University of New Mexico that women to fucking shape goon by the coach at the borrowed jingle that catch it so I will say that's when. For me started, but you know it just continues just keeps going. Yeah, that's a great point. Because a lot of people are like okay I'm woke now like I got gotTa Salon CD and like I went to protest. And took a picture by the way you fucking hoes gone to protests just to take a picture. Movies you I went to protest last week, and these girls literally pulled up, took a picture and then left like we're here. Black lives matter. It's so distressful so many levels so. Yeah, it's an ongoing journey like like I, said on I. Think the last episode like the more I learn, the more I I realized that I have so so much more to learn you know so. Yeah, there's just so much history and so much theory and just like. So many. Activists and social justice. People that we don't know about authors that we don't know, but I mean you could just this. This could be a. it's an ongoing journey forever you know, and so I think the first time that I realized that. Like. That there was like There was a world beyond like my reality. You know because I think when you grow up like in Las Vegas growing up here like everything you know everybody kind of thinks in the same way. We're all kind of institutionalized to like serve Torres. Be Friendly and ignore racial dynamics and. the the working class in Las Vegas like they just keep us dumb and just like content with like having an in and out by our house. You know so that we don't like. Hey, listen you like for example like hey, you, you make more money being a valet or a dealer on the Strip then or so, why even think about being? Young even go to college. Go Straight to the Casino and I did that, too like I, I work. Wi went to college and we're delicacy at the same time, but. It's this mentality and I. Think I realized that in high school. Because, I had never I had never been into a white person's home like that was like upper middle class, and I had a lot of white Mormon friends in high school, and I think it was like my my sophomore junior year I went into their house and I. Just like couldn't believe I. Just couldn't believe how they lived because I just. That just wasn't. I. Just could not relate at all. You know and I've had those moments. So I see I just started realizing like okay, there's this is not just about this dad, having a good job because there's there's levels to this you know, and that's kind of when I started to like the onion. You know started to peel back. You know little by little I think since college I've just kind of been working on being more informed. And you know the more people. I meet the more people we talked to I. Think the better. I mean the best person I've become and lie, and by better I mean less ignorant, you know. Correct, yeah, it's. It's an ongoing process and once you start. One, though I was like sixteen, and then I was aching to get a job. emend Mega Mimi shout in El Paso. She was like if they say. Once you start working. You can never stop working like this. Is it for the rest of your life? The same thing with with learning this systematic oppression. You know like once you know. Understand the root of some of these problems. You realize that it's it's endless, and the system works for a reason because it's been around for so long, and it's so motherfucking intricate at the core of it all. It's all stupid, but it's very very very intricate, so yeah. That's what it is. Okay so the second question. How do you go about confronting your own family members about anti-racism? When you're aware of the waste, they are systematically disadvantaged. This is also an ongoing battle in this is where I see a lot of people's. He's going to Kiev Kievan means because it's personal at home. You feel this model you fueled. You cannot do it anymore. You just want to like. Stop talking all your family members. It's I mean if you are having this conversation outside of the home. Your family also deserves it a lot of us a lot of Latinos we've been in situations. Where as you mentioned are a lot of family. Members have been conditioned to fucking do nothing but work, and that of course is not necessarily the conduit to understand and learn about some of these things so I think if you were given the opportunity and the privilege by your family members by your parents to be able to college. It's your fucking job and duty. It is difficult than it is complicated and you're going to. To yell at each other and stuff, but don't stop. I still have those conversations and I. In the beginning, I will so eager. I was learning so much and I wanted my family just like you know quote, Unquote. Walk with me at the same time, but that's not how it works. You know what I mean, so it ended up. Being just fights. It dubbed his fights. So you need to know when how what is the perfect time for me was sitting down and eating Boca Pogo Dot. Let's have our own or I will just questions. You know their needs and getting. Easier, they stopped themselves when they hear themselves saying some of this bullshit. So bad. But it's I. Mean I'm talking about ten years of you know. I've antelope at the Kiev Anthony Rita. Yeah because I love my family, and if I make it personal. I'm not going to go anywhere, you know. So, and but you better with this because you have you have like a bigger mission with more extended family I did I will go into at met with a lot of my extended family I. was I just gave up I? was like fuck it. I cannot spend my energy with all this fucking people, but you'd better at that than me. No I I mean. It's very simple I. Just my family, both sides of my family. They're very I. Love Them for this though they're like. Very argumentative like it's a healthy kind of argument arguing that we do like during the holiday. Sometimes you know especially my dad's side. There's just so fucking loud. I love them but when but it's fun when it's just like something stupid, you know and like not when it's like something regarding politics or racism, but. It's the thing that happens with people of color like if you're the loud one like then you become like the aggressor and the violent one, but if they're loud about their racist shit, there, just right you know, and so it's. So I started I made a conscious decision maybe like three years ago after we started this podcast like I'm just not gonna let. I'm not going to be silent like when these conversations are having for my younger cousins for my younger family members, and it's actually worked amazing like. when somebody says something mildly. You know offensive or politically incorrect rate you know. I. Just say I don't I don't really agree with that. I don't agree with it. Because of nobody says anything. Then my little ten year old cousins, probably thinking Oh Justin, things the same way to well let me to you know. and. and. Then the other thing is asking questions. If somebody's talking about politics like no shade, but I know that I know more than certain family members about stuff so I just be like. Oh, so okay. What? What do you mean by that? What does that word mean to you like what does that mean? Can you tell me and ninety percent of the time? They have no idea what they're talking about and I can see it in their head like Oh, they're so pissed at me because. Because, they fucked up because they're just being ignorant, you know like on. With no with no information. They're just being racist or they're or they're just being xenophobic, you know. Asking questions a big deal. Your and saying that you don't agree with something you don't have to be. This is the thing would let us to is like in. This is what I think too like. We usually have these things that might deals house or at my grandma's house, or whatever, and this is like you have to respect the house. You respectfully disagree with somebody and I've had to say this before I'm like I'm not gonNA argue until you. You're wrong in your own house, but I. Just want you to know that I disagree with what you're saying. And that's yes, you know, and that's I think that's like. Just to do that. And I've I'd like. You said I've noticed when I'm around my family, I can see them like stopping themselves from saying something because they don't want me to point out. That they're being racist. You know right and. and it's it's just GONNA be. It's his constant constant work and you know what? Honestly out of all of my family members over the years the person that has grown the most which I honestly shocked me. Is My grandma. On my Dad's side, the one that doesn't like you she last wireless imprisonment in these other always surprised you see 'em, but I always him, but we we did the show in Denver and or in Colorado and I had a lot of people. Some listeners from Latinos who launch come help, and most of them were queer or non binary, or you know like all people from from. From all walks of life you know like all genders gender expressions. I should say. and. We went to a buffet and eight with them, and like eight with a bunch of people and a few of my friends that were with us. There was like a lesbian couple and you know a non binary friend of mine and so like. My grandma was sitting eating with us and I could see her. I could see her processing this. In her head like what is happening? and. And, then we had those conversations at the end of the night. Like was that person, a man or a woman? I? Don't understand, and I just said there. They're neither they're. They're in between both and she. She's like really. That's I. Never heard of that, you know. And, so she's the one that's that I've. Because I haven't blown up. You know which is like sometimes. You have the right to get mad, but because I just say like I don't agree with that or I. Put a little correction here or there. She's comfortable enough to have those conversations with me and not just like. Like my other side of the family who keeps everything quiet and just doesn't say anything you know so. Anyway, it's a long road. It is a long road, or you can just be like swamping chapin, they flip the table, prostitution, and this right, or that's right. My! Now the question. What should we do about institutions that are performing? Activism right now. Oh! Yeah. What have you done, babs? Bid which I so I wanted I wanted to use. To call a certain art institute Chin in town, come on I'm going to get my facts rights, and then when I get my numbers, someone await the best, but you best believe it's a fucking local museum, and it's happening everywhere. That are putting this online face about their black collection of the collection of black artists and no moment. We've always supported this. Chara, but then they're cutting budgets and who goes I. It's always GonNa be the people of Color. It's always GonNa be always woman of color. Always, it's happening in universities is happening my fucking university as well. It's happening everywhere. But it'll because everything is online right now. Everybody's like using this opportunity to show. How fucking? A Walk they are and how? They've been like this and they've always supported. But then the budgets are caught in pre med with a non tenure track positions in who are those composed by by junior faculty and a lot of junior faculty around the United States because the numbers are teaching our people of Color, and they're the ones that are going out right now, and it's very fucking frustrating so I. DO WANNA use this. Platform and cal out a lot of places because it's happening. Everywhere so next time you see this sort of. Not even activism just like. Like institutions putting out his face, today are so diverse. That is the first red flag when you have to announce it right. When you have to tell everybody, oh, by the way we're always supported this movement when this movement has been going around for fucking decades and decades and decades, and all the sudden, you are aware of things right now, and also this has been an opportunity for a lot of those CEOS. A lot of the people in charge to show their true colors. Bet also, there's been a lot of wide op solution. What does that mean when you're like? Oh, I need. This is an opportunity for me to learn, so please teach me so you could so you? A person of color can absolve me and I can feel better about myself. Do not pay attention. Attention! It's too fucking late for that. If you have the opportunity ways to call them out, call them out. Do not absolve them. Do not be bought by the fucking. Why tears not anymore man? Do you see what's happening out there new? Not Do that anymore. So you have the capacity. You're not jeopardizing your job or your future what you can do it. Go ahead and fucking do it because it's just it's too late. It's too late for. To teach a lot of people. You know what I mean especially when. In the middle of all of this, people want to censor their own. Their own experiences Abou-. With ideas of the Patriarchy and raises them I. Can I have no fucking? No foggin patients I'm telling you I see that in my school. I see that you I see I see that in a lot of fucking places, so it's it's. It's time in its type to call them out. Fuck them. Yeah and it's. Like you said you know some people are working at these universities, so if you're agitator or a few people and nonprofit organizations for example, people at at academic settings. If you're a whistle blower, your target and you're usually fired or slowly like they start giving you less classes like they punish you for that I've experienced it myself when I saw for. Different organizations and so I had to learn how to. Make a difference Sir more. Stealthily because. Because the system is made to get rid of us. As soon as we start noticing the whites Ramzi that's taken place and so Yeah, maybe that's some advice like okay. I'm just going to vary just personal example of something that I'm doing because I've been the last month. You know like I've just really been. Like depressed I again like like like this reader says like I've been feeling white guilt. Obviously because I feel like I hadn't done enough. You know, and even though we have this show, even though you know, I've been I've been trying my best to be antiracist. I could have done more and so you go online and you go through instagram you go through twitter, and you just get this sense of doom. The term now is called Doom scrolling and. I've felt like that for the past five. fucking years man well yeah. For other reasons much. We're not gonNA. Get into that. Cab Okay So. Sorry. So I said you know what this is. Also part of it like this. Also part of white supremacy is just tiring us us out mentally physically so that we stop fighting back so if you want to be the change that you want to see. Start locally start small right. Okay, I send last episode work on your family. Your family's not listening to guess what my mom doesn't WanNa talk to me about this stuff anymore because she's told me that she's afraid of saying something offensive and wrong, so she she just doesn't. She just doesn't say anything anymore. You know which okay we'll give it a break. I'll work on. You know we'll have more conversations in the future. You know, but. Yeah, I've shifted my attention now to unlv the university. Of Nevada, Las, Vegas I am an alumni from their sore you bubble lethal, and we went to a school that has a frontier Zeman as their Mascot, Aka a native American killer as their mascot, and before it was a frontier command, it was actually. That Frontier Zeman was based on a confederate soldier. So UNLV's mascot is a symbol of the confederacy in two thousand twenty in Las Vegas a place that. A place so far away from like. The South you know I. Mean technically where in the South West but like. What what's the point of that? Why do we have that Mascot And so. As soon as I started focusing on that. I found. I found that I could could use my energy in a more direct way. And you know okay, I'm going to help with the protests here in Vegas, I'm going to help find the bailouts for the people that the bail funds for the people that are getting arrested and yeah, in a focus on UNLV and that racist. Ask fucking mascot. I was going to be honored this year at this a big alumni event. Along with carrot, top and Lady Gaga Saxophone player. I just wanted to. A great picture of that table. But we weren't because of the Rona and I already had a speech prepared talking about like how lucky I am to have such an amazing community here in Las Vegas, but also how awful it is that I am representing a school that has a confederate soldier as a mascot, one of the most one of the most diverse schools in the nation of Ray, when it comes to the demographics of the students, not the faculty, the Faculty not necessarily. The same demographics of Stanford Okay So. Listen they have a sculpture of. Like statue hey rab. Okay, so let me give you a little bit history. Guess the The statue started like as a cartoon wolf with confederate like costume on on it when it first opened in the fifties school. Even then in the nineteen seventies flash forward a couple decades. The basketball team made mostly of black players right because that's you know. People are still commodifying black bodies on TV and every fucking sport, but nobody talks about that. But at the basketball team in the seventies, protested the running rebels, so they changed the name to hey. Rab Right and the basketball teams called the running rebels. Cute I know, and to the best of all team protested and they for a few years. They actually did change the UNLV's logo to a son because it was so racist. Time goes by. And it went back to hey rab, but they change it from a confederate soldier to a frontier, and that's what they're calling him, which is like? Which is literally? The native American killers that would scout. Native Americans and were part of manifest destiny. You know what I'm saying so and he looks just. It's he looks like a confederate soldier. There's like there's no hiding it. In the early two thousands, they actually built a statue of hey. Reb which is looks like a bobblehead. Yosemite Sam like confederate soldier, made out of bronze, and they put it outside of the alumni center right next to the art building. And I remember at the time, not even thinking about it because again. You know this journey of like being socially aware is lifelong I was like. Oh, whatever? It's fucking goofy cartoon thing, but the more that I learned about it. The more friends that I made the more I talked to the. Local artists and indigenous. Tribe. Tribe members here in Las Vegas Southern pilots here in southern Nevada. This represents something so violent. Still celebrating here right and so I started posting about it on social media and I'm not saying I did this. This was a collective effort because shadow to our friend. FAWN DOUGLAS WHO's an amazing artist and she's MFA candidate at unlv right now. She was telling me that the native American or on on the campus of unlv have been petitioning and writing letters about hey, rub for years and years and years and years and years and years. So this is this is a long long long long battle, and so I started emailing people also. Even There's this big map of like all confederate soldier symbols or confederate symbols of the confederacy. By the I think it's called the southern poverty law center. WHO does this map? Because they're trying to get rid of all of these symbols, confederacy and UNLV is not on there so I. WanNa make sure that unlv is on that map, and that it's a and it is officially nine. A symbol of the confederacy because UNLV has gotten away with this for so many years because they keep hiding. They just changed the logo from I was GONNA say they redesigned things they need. Designing it. They just changed the logo from this goofy bobblehead like white moustache guy to to like a more sleek like abstract version of this native American killer, so they try to make animated. Yes, not be fucking choices when oh! Lord Okay and so we got good news yesterday. Because of what's happening because of the social unrest because of this uprising that is happening right now. All over the fucking world. President of the university had the statue removed and. And return to the to the donor of the said statue, because of course that was donated by a white person to the University of course. Really Yeah, no Shit! Which I'm kind of sad because I had these art pieces already planned to do interventions with the sculpture, but I'm also really happy that it's gone, but then I said no of the battle is not over the school. This is what institutions do. They're like we hear you. We love you. We're going to be part of the community, but guess what UNLV that's not enough. Your mascot is still hey, rub. You need to get rid of this fucking mascot. Get rid of Hey, Rab, so thank you, thank you. Thank you for taking that sculpture down. But that is the the literally the minimum. You can do okay. The Minimum Lisa Kurland the director of the Burke Museum. And I have been talking about the original mascot that's still painted on the ground in the museum because that museum used to be the schools basketball gym back in the day. And so that's right. The Center court circle with the with the confederate wolf is still there so when you start talking about what are we gonNA do with that? What's going to happen with that? Because we can't just have it there? That is a trigger for people I think white people understand that black people are reminded of the confederacy, and about the injustices and the trauma that their ancestors faced every fucking day, and we don't think about it because we're fucking white people just walking around with the utmost privileged and blinders on because of that, you know what I mean and so. It's gotta go. It's gotTa go, so that's kind of what. I been focusing on and and why can't I do that because I love you LV. To, an extent like I love a lot of people that that are teaching their I love a lot of you know. My best friends now all came from the art program have so many great memories, but I also have a lot of a lot of bad memories at unlv, a lot of racist interactions that I can remember at UNLV and we need to start calling these people out. We need to start calling academia out and. And I'm kind of in a position to do that because. I. I don't work for them. You know what I mean and I understand a lot of my friends that work for them need to pay their mortgage need to feed their family. You know so maybe that can be something that I can be a little bit louder about you know, so it's definitely when it comes to calling out institutions. It's definitely you. There's a lot of things to consider. So and I'm just saying that because people get really mad at people that are in positions. But like if you know what she kinda person or a Latino person or a black person in academia. You're like well. What are they doing their part of the problem? Yes, they're trying to work in a way where they won't lose their livelihood. You know what I mean and so, but we have to hold them accountable for it, too, because That's the only way things are going to change. The beauty about everything that's happening in to see I see more and more footage of of money being toppling down and I remember the first wave. I remember we in. When we did our episode about monuments we talked about the monuments of course and people were ignored, not ignoring that, but the fight had to start somewhere right, and it was about the southern monuments, but now I see it. They call the city of New York to get rid of the fucking. Start to of Christopher Columbus on Columbus Circle and the governor came out. Saying like no, this is about this is about Italian pride well, let me give you a little bit of fucking lesson governor. Cuomo about how this whole entire. No, you're listening CUOMO -TUNI- S. Then bunions does channel so there you go. So Christopher Columbus was a figure that was ignored in the history of the United. States for a long time after the independence fast forward to the nineteenth century, the United States tried to go westward. They tried to take over a lot of the the territory of the West. So because it's a fresh in country and they try to find. New figures to represent the new empire. They hold on onto Christopher Columbus. This is why we have paintings off. Christopher Columbus landing in the Caribbean. Quote, unquote discovery of America's. Even though he was invading the fucking Caribbean right, but we call it the discovery of the Americas. That's why we have them in the Rotunda of the US capital because the United States government appropriated that figure, so they started pushing and pushing and pushing for this vicious date, October twelfth to be a celebration of this Italian slash Spanish Spanish, immigrant, basically or invader ninety mcgrane invader. Because at the same, you'll have a lot of people from Italy. From from Ireland from different parts of Europe coming in, they started to adopt figure of Christopher, Columbus as a way to. To approve of their unwanted citizenship in the United States fast forward to eighteen ninety to the four hundred year anniversary of the soup host I'm discovery of the Americas. The United States put so much money into celebrating. Christopher Columbus with parades with the a World Expo that happened here in Chicago the Columbian Expo of eighteen, ninety three, and he was all about the legacy of empire. It was all about the legacy of expansion. But by then it was already starting to become a fieger, not only affi talion Americans, but also of Irish Americans and a lot of other people, so the parades that started in the middle of the nineteenth century. Continue to this day, so you still have a huge parade celebrating the legacy of Christopher Columbus in new. York City every October twelve. And the excuse to continue to do that that it's about the legacy of Italian Americans in New York. So are you going to celebrate the legacy of some a group of immigrants by basically disrespecting? Hundreds I mean millions of indigenous people have died because of this motherfucker millions and millions hundred million over a hundred million people died within a century or two auster, he arrived. It's so fucked up, but I started to see that a lot of those monuments are starting to come down, and it's so beautiful, but that is a great suggestion. Five like write letters about some of these monuments have used feel like you don't want to protest because of covid because a lot of things that are happening if you are feeling some guilt like start to do that, you can do a lot of things by writing to your congressman about this fucking stupid horrible monuments. Doing that thank you. Thank you, so mama for that because. That's horrible at another thing about performance activism. All of you mother fuckers out there on social media, putting black lives, matter and We can see right through it. We can see that you don't give a fuck about black men. Like all these big corporations. This is another thing we live in a K.. A Patriarchy a capitalist white supremacy patriarchy right so like. Guest how you can really protest by boycotting is a real thing. Okay, so fuck starbucks! Fuck. McDonald's all. Your fucking favors shit. Fuck in and out you know catering to the LAPD I'm never going to eat there again like that's where you. Really, make a difference. It takes a little bit of work, but literally just Google us. Okay, and then a message to all you fucking assholes like just posting for clout right now and then fucking up and then being exposed. And it's not just but black lives matter shit. It's like everything. There's so many things. On my gosh. There's. Not Going to get into specifics because there's multiple, there's multiple counts in examples that have recently come up on our feed. that. We're kind of close to and it's like. I just WanNa say this, okay. Before you post an acknowledgment of what you did wrong google how to apologize. because. I've had this conversation with you. Bob Alito before, too. I remember people don't know how to apologize. Saying I'm sorry that you feel that way is not an apology. I'm sorry if we hurt your feelings, that is not an apology. An apology is taking. Ownership of what you've done. Right is taking responsibility for your actions and inactions. And saying this is what I did wrong I. Acknowledge it and now that's not good enough. We need to know what are you doing? What are the reparations? This is what we're doing to contrast that. This is what we're doing to back up this apology. I need to see receipts. Let me see how much money you sent to the to the Bell Funds. Let us see on social media. You can't just say you're you're doing it because all these hoes out here like. MINNESOTA. They don't need Minnesota Freedom. Fund donating Fuckin- money anymore. Where is the money? Where is the money? Nobody knows we need to see the receipts dating to be donating local organizations. They need to actively be doing good, so we can see that they're actually doing something any. and honestly. There's this local coffee shop in town who they're not gonNA learn, but at least at least the minimum you could do like post. The receipts shows what you're doing. You know and Does them out, but it doesn't matter because all of these people that have benefited from white supremacy and from Patriarchy I'll put that in there, too. They're always going to be protected under this system and guess what that coffee shop in town is GonNa, do just fine because all those girls wearing their round brim hats are still going to go to their fucking coffee shop to take their Lotto selfies. And they're not going to know that they disrespected black lives matter they disrespected people of Color Black people in our community that they disrespected The disrespected people during a pandemic by not wearing. Pp like you know what I mean like they. Nobody cares a year from now. All these organizations posting black lives matter. They're going to be onto another fucking thing if we don't even. If. We don't keep pushing them on this and that's another thing that I wanna say is like this needs to keep going there trying to shut us up. You know it's not going to happen if we don't keep pushing this. And and again. Seeking absolution from people of Color is not a fucking apology, either. It's not GonNa do anything in again. All of you listening do not give them. Do not give into the fucking white tears, not anymore. People not anymore. What's good? What's a good resource? Francesca Ramsey she does. She's the Youtuber. She has a really great video on how to apologize that. Link. So if you are somebody who's under fire right now maybe. For. Single half ASS fucked up. Apology learned from this. Learn from this thing. We can all learn from this and I'm learning so much from this because I'm not saying we're perfect, of course, not I mean y'all know that because he listen us for years like where not but. When I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. I fucked up. How let's let's fix this. You know what I mean not fix it like. Let's let's take. Let's learn from it and take responsibility. Have Yeah, anyway. Yes, right? You know what else to say. I think yeah, wow, what a great email! We got through one email today. Thank you so much anonymous. We really appreciate you and. Thank you for your letter. That was amazing. My take a little break. We're GONNA. Think are Migas in our paper towel members today. Did he did. Sh- MGB toe. We got so many Amigas and we just WANNA. Give them a big big big shot right now for helping us out on paycheck, and you can help us to. If you go on paycheck, dot com slash. Let the lunch or just GonNa donate page on Latinos lunch, DOT COM, and it'll send you their social to Amando M. 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Powell supporters Mucci Marcus. We really appreciate it. Right back to the show. Did it. Shit our babs you got any recommendations. Yes I have yes I. Have a recommendation I'm going to. Break I am in this South American. Slash Colombian train and I cannot get off. And it. Comes Comes as consequences. This is a band that I'm going to shut out and cut out at the right. Let's do it. This is a pair of deejays dangling from Lima that. Create incredible music I'm all about artists that are taking references from all over the world I think it's great i. think shows respect of the ARD as long as you don't appropriate the fucking coulter. So then. Thank you! That has dingus. then. Get thank. You are deejays. have been making a lot of great music for a while. Now they've caught the attention from critics all over the fucking place, and for example the single Lucas Juke. It's amazing you'll love this song for me Then I started to read descriptions about their music, and it's always about this tropical mother fucking fantasy. That I'm so tired of yes, the music from the tropics is amazing. The music the Afro. Columbia from the Caribbean they they've offered as a credible music for centuries. That doesn't mean that we have to fantasize about this fucking jungle shit! You know what I mean like. It's all made up and guess what when you do that. You're part of this system. They were calling are right now. That has been around for over five hundred years, so just stop it. Like just look at the music respected Peyot. Marsh and move on. You don't have to appropriate a hall and tired as static surrounding your persona, because you play bungles in some of your music like go fuck yourselves so with that in mind, then get then get. EP almost take it or leave it. It's good, so recommend them after all that. Recommended because I want people to see I want people to see that this is very common in. We talked about always amplifying the music of Latinos in the United, states, and all over the world, but I start to see the strength more and more and more and more, and nobody's saying shed about it. We're just always amplifying our our music because we have to compete corner, getting goes, you know bear on Aman Man. Like again to make good music doesn't mean that you have to be. You know not aware of what's happening, so it's take of the fucking mask thing. Thank you make grip music, Stub, the bullshit. Does it. What about you? I'm going to recommend a podcast and a resource sent by one of our listeners so There's this podcast called Kanye Niagara that's. Hosted by author Latinos that's. Really Great, so please take a listen to Ganja Negra, and then also. We're recently emailed I. Don't know if they want to be anonymous or not. So I'm not going to say their name, but. We're emailed actually a slack channel and I know a lot of people now that they're working at home are working on slack and so it's a really great resource. They're putting all of the resources to fight anti blackness. I should say. anti-racist resources. into a document. Into a slack channel that's in different categories in different conversations, so it can all kind of it's all kind of organized in that way so I'm GonNa put the link to that select channel in the in the notes, so that people can sign onto it and even add to it depending on the different categories in there, so it's a really nice concise way for people to go through that information that already used to that platform. Okay. Anything else, babs. That's it all right as always. visit us a WHO lunch dot com leave us a review, please. itunes apple PODCASTS, five stars, five thirty. Days because the more reviews we have. The more visible Er and visibility leads to representation and representation matters. 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Episode 155: Tomate Tu Caldito!
"Hi this is fine. This is Bob Nido and we are not knows who. Lunch the PODCAST. We talk about important things like. I hope your bacon burned. Hello hello who show show. Show our you babble legs. I'm good it's been a strange little. We still here porn teaming planning exit strategy to go back home. I don't know what's going to happen in the fall. It's all crazy but I have enough work to keep my mind busy. How are you? I'm good I'm just here You know in self-isolation living my best life You know just Trying to get up before noon every day Being men like a lot of people like a lot of people are slowly being like. It's a lot of people are going through that. Yeah I know and then just reminding people that don't have Internet because everybody wants to Zuma facetime or this and I'm like I'm I can't so I mean I can but it's not great quality. Have you ever? Have you played house party or any of those APPS? No I I've only used in Google hangouts. Oh Yeah House parties fond but the interfaces like Soak Lychee it slows down all the time and I can't play some just there like a fucking mental frozen the whole time so I call my mom to say Happy Mother's Day happy mother's say to all less Mosca Siegen In shoes fun she's like the were Manasseh. Cow Died and now it's like okay. She goes SIP Ouzo Beta not to wolf yesterday and I immediately got mad. I'm like I like a lot of people have big reunions. This fucking weekend I was like I been seed is GonNa Plan Blah Blah Blah. She's like no. She had a party online. Shouldn't she'd never heard of that. She's like pauline. Hey Keno a two to four lane. Their net yeah. I saw your sister the day that it was going to happen and she was getting ready. She was getting her she sent. She sent to go to the store to get beer for her despite like Monte. Mario coziness but she was upstairs for three hours talking to her friends. But that concept wasn't going through my mom she's like so y shots like what's happening. Oh my God it was shot I to my roommate. Bobby it his birthday a couple of weeks ago and the party started at seven. Pm and it was really sweet. Because Bobby's a bartender and so he makes really amazing cocktails which is dangerous. 'cause I live with him but I'm not allowed in his liquor cabinet anymore. Let's just say that. No no he didn't. He never said that. But you know I drink. I drink as menzies alcohol for years and I stopped doing it because I'm not an alcoholic anymore. Okay too much too much. But he he made this cocktail and delivered it to all of us like they dropped off at the front steps of everybody's house so that when we went on Zoom we all had a cocktail. We just had to pour it over ice so we all get this mason jar full of these delicious drink and let me tell you we were. Aw It was like it was so good you know. An alcohol is so like when a cocktail so good that you don't even taste the booze and it's just delicious. You know you'll like it. It's sweet sweet. It was just so bomb I was I got wasted by myself at this party. Cut to like one. Am No run still drunk on the zoom. We're playing truth or dare. Never have I ever like high school. So it's fun it's fun. My phone died like three times while we were doing it because my phone girl I should. I don't know I don't multi task. I could be cooking something on my phone. While I'm zoom calling people he gets so fucking hot. Oh my God Rosa marshmallows. Or something makes them. Moore's speaking of food. What did you eat today? Oh my gosh. Today I had actually I just had some. I made so much I can. Where we'LL SEE PAPA. Ichi Lake Orion Cheryl something simple this all thing. How do you make checking? What do you mean like? How do you make your my checker like I much about? I think people have different concepts of much much. Echoes just dried meat right. That's how it is for us but I think it's different in. It's just really dried meat. That stamped out really flat and so you pull it apart and then you just you mix it with eggs and whatever and you eat it young. That's how we eat it. I know a lot of people make Sopa with that Shit. I don't know so but CARNESECCA BLESS I. It's good I've had. I've had not meet the answer. Nora she made like this color The MACHACA with with pine and stuff. It was delicious. Which sounds amazing. I've had yeah. I've headed that checkup but also One of my students month from gun. She reconstitute With them the Cotonou consults where the embroil said to get a little bit soft casino campus. It's so good. That has like a specific. I mean this is dumb but it like a dry flavor so so good. Yeah has dried house. Dry of flavor bro. I don't know like I don't know like why aren't you? I guess his age. I say I'm more trying to say it's aged. It has like an labored to it. That's what it is it is it is. Is this cardboard. No it's too good. It's too salty. Tastes good speaking of food. Today's episode it's all about food because the quarantine it's wrapping up for a lot of people. I'm still not fully convinced by God. Bless I need to start this exit strategy to go back home because I might have to move here again because I don't have a job? The world upside down and I have like plant. Abc D. E. But in the meantime I have to go back home. And maybe pack my house and so it's weird because we've been here in. California for a month and a half so I wanted to recalculate everything that we have been eating and I got together. The whole family. My husband's family and You are familiar with that family. Because I feel like some has been in the podcast more than anybody more than more than after US. More than anybody more than you actually. Can you ask her? She wants to take over this strategy from the products and everything and then Russell Mike God that'd be so sick me grew. They told them you. Can you imagine onto the Rosa Momma? That's it I actually. I actually wanted Roma to start their own podcast because you should see them. Talk to each other itself wonderful. It's set up set up this. Change the picture on the on the website yesterday. It'll be my gift glorious. Where do I sign up? You probably Lita those cover numbers but anyway it's it's it's exciting that I love. This is ending. But it's in a weird way it's bittersweet just because a lot of shit has a month and a half so. I mean never know you might be right back in your houses for a couple months so careful what you wish for. No my ms way people were having all over the place around here so furious girl all my friends in Texas it's like Dallas is open and thankfully my friends are being save and they're not going out still but the restaurants are packed people. It's going to be so sad when people start getting sick again but people don't like to listen. I we don't like to ignore facts so you know I see bus when Makiko is going through it man and I talked to my family. It's not fun. Mayawati lethal in Mexico. Actually taking it very seriously and so. My grandma has been trying to get a bus ticket to come back. They won't let her buy one. They're like are you crazy And then me and my uncles were coming up with the plan. Like well. Shit. I think the safest thing to do is to drive there to go. Get her right But we would have to go through WADA's and we're like oh I don't know man because right now. Well it's just like is it going to be safer than her just staying there another month? Probably safer for her stay. You know so yeah doubt. I don't know how the situation is better because I know there there's Given by like eight. Pm OR TEMPE PM like nobody. Can you ask? It's why does this also taking it seriously for that same for that same bracing probably better that she stays on. Because you probably don't even find a hotel you know unless she knows somebody over there. Yeah that's what we were going to be like. We're GONNA drive straight there. It's like the twenty hour drive Let's switch drivers but I don't know. I don't really think that's a good idea would have passed those Burrito stands and quite is and girl in some like you away those one. I mean when I did that. Lady Empire algae wide. You know it's GonNa be you know is going to be so good. I'm not going to be able to stop but always has eaten away Chihuahua. Okay enough of that. So why don't we take a break and then we'll go straight in to the episode okay. Great did did they Sh- O. M. GB ALITO? Have you heard of the new? Latinos who lunch ABC's of Latina that coloring book? It is so beautiful. You know what I'm actually using it for all kinds of different purposes including embroidery. You can do anything you want with it. Why how creative. Who are you are my goodness? So this book is amazing it was Isla straighted by Giovanni and then collaboration with you with five eighty five and illustrations are a reflection of. Abc's of let me that which wasn't an episode were released last year and it was very popular so the idea was to show that so people can Can Collared all this different drawings and I love the choices that you all made into the for the different. Abc's I love the book. It's Amazing Yeah. We're trying to make it fun but serious. Kind of like our podcast. A I don't think we're that serious anymore. but You know like how do you if anybody remembers the episode like how do you illustrate blackness you no like? In a way I mean there is tasteful way. It's so It's a fun book. It was a it was a Giovanni did an amazing job against shout out to him. And if you want your own the that coloring book they are going to be mailed out on June first you can pre-order now and. I'm doing everything so I'm probably not going to do this for very long. Because it's a lot of work and so or now before they run out because I'm taking advantage of being in quarantine and so I can. Actually I actually have the time to mail out thousands of coloring books right now right So do it now before I get tired do it it. This is an awful commercial you and have several copies but you have to order like different copies one for yourself so you can do like that. Yeah is artistic coloring and then number two seacoast per gallon on this Maria untold rather and then you want to keep it without any color because it's GonNa be a collectible item at some point. Hopefully exactly so go to Latinos who lunch dot com slash coloring book and get your copy today order it now folks and when you get the book some of the marinas the next batch of other stuff is going out now because people have been updating their address says thank you so much Once you start coloring your book Hashtag L. W. L. A. B. C. and will post them on our social media. I WANNA see what everybody's coloring I It's been a lot of fun to see what people do with the book so I'm excited to see your embroidery girl. Oh my God. That's going to take some time but when it's ready I will show you. Abc's Latina that of coloring book. Get your copy. They pitch cannot take home. Big Reader Coaster Extend Shoka Shoka show by lethal here. I hope everybody's safe and healthy right now. It is my mom my month. Wow I just had some miskulin some beer so you'll have to excuse me so it is my month so I wanted to check with everybody first of all. I want to know how everybody's doing. You should send us your emails letting US know how you're doing how you're surviving this quarantine. It is my turn to let you know what is happening with me. Some of you may or may know that I escaped Chicago because the weather there is horrid and I decided to be with our families of I we spend a little bit of time in Vegas and then we came here to California to spend time with my husband's Family. And that's exactly where we're going to do today. We're going to talk to my family in California CA- SHOKA show everybody say hi and we'll start with. You should all know that I'm going to house with seven people and we've been sharing a house we've been sharing meals. We'd been sharing tears. We've been sharing laughs for a month and a half now and thankfully and not thankfully at the same time. The quarantine is coming to an end but one thing that has been constant throughout the quarantine has been food. So that's where we're going to talk about but before we get into it. I want to introduce everybody and we'll start with Mike. Neither whenever they take it away. Haya thank you for for having US giving us the space in for share the experience that we have been living in this past weeks Hi everyone thank you for listening and Hopefully you like the stories that we will share with you. Say My name married. My name is Intel's what you do so I am actually a designer but I work as Half the signer Administrative Assistant I. That's my nine to five job. I guess I actually live out in Washington DC. I work for the. Oh yes and on my free time because I need to fill my soul and live away from politics. I am continue with creative side. I guess and so I actually studied a project about maybe almost two years ago So it's a little bit of a personal experience. We are a family of six kids. So part of her life in growing up it's it was handing down Or clothes younger siblings. So that was a way of life to US Insi- Khanna kind of went back to my roots and I always love drifting. And that's the thing I would do as a family so we're GONNA get into it so I am took my Havi I guess and turn it into a business so I started a a brand that its goal. Six me holes hand me downs and obviously refers to literally describing US siblings and something that we did and we're still do And just Kinda give it. Also a thoughtful and creating conscious about the wasteful is of all the fashion industry and how it affects the environment And so it's a little bit. You know of that just being mindful but also created site that so that's kind of my my side project I feel like I need to go back to it. But it's something that definitely keeps me alive and then you know I also held my mom here and there with all those credit project. But I'm GonNa let her talk about that. Yes we're going to get into. There's some punch. Oh so This is this needs no presentation. I was just referring. I was just talking about how you are The against that we've had the most and Latinos lunch everybody knows real some swagger KC now let those get keep their set of as anyone more noise system atoll's O.`Neil nor mantis Jalan the loss of era's Alito polling Betas for bulwer knows Opportunity participators that allow the NCAA. Latino school lunch when no is almost I keep by Sando. Lucas is the important widened. Thin whom DOS and don'ts No says e in the on the three dollars Talk Swagger. Get all of our little. We're not raise. I'm happy to be here in these families here. Comb or our or experience in this quarantine. Yes and I'm ready to wear in thirteen of all right. Let's do it. Let's do it fairly pay back. Hello everybody I'm Marco. I'm the youngest of the family. I I what do I do? Well you see. I am a archaeology technician. Over here at Stanford I love to dig and they keep me busy digging okay and next. Hello I'm the husband I bake. What are we doing? We're spending the quarantine here. I been embroidering Baking the starter. Keeping it alive but as a collaborative Medevac. Okay next hello. Everybody Poncho yellow one or the middle kids so you already know the Joe. Sous-chef they they'll Marito guy. Joel Meh in hospitality. Yes it does his me. Metropolitano north Studies Peninsula borough. May that he got the last night in the Gaza the participate at the Post GonNa familiar you. The windows moment is GonNa use and I just want US publicly think bunch of because he led. Us use his room and believe it or not. I feel guilty everyday but I also feel very thankful every day because it's the big room in the House and I get to exercise and secretly danced Toledo payment every single day anyway. So way will start with. I want to talk a little bit about because we we've been working a lot on one thousand projects before we get into that. I want to talk about the first weeks. Because Amb unwary wanted to do a schedule cookie and it was like a schedule that took an hour to put together and he put. He went day by day and said this is where we're going to buy. This is where we're GONNA do Monday launch Monday. Dinner Monday breakfast Tuesday. It was perfection and we followed it and everybody kicked and everybody complained and we had the best meals. And then what happened with I stopped making a schedule. We've been eating well only on certain days when it all. Kinda come together and I mean it makes it fun because it's unexpected. You know because not every meal has been thought off a week in advance so who has thoughts about the schedule that put together in the beginning. I mean okay. I'm GonNa Start Young. Everybody called me like I was. It was delicious delicious but it was just almost. It's because someone has to kick everybody into gear and into organizing them into what they're going to cook and what they're gonNA e and then that way everybody can plan their weak like. I'm GonNa Cook on Tuesdays so I know that like I have time on Monday to do whatever you know But then apparently there was too much for everybody so they called me. The governess like over So owned it I did I. I also plan for the pastries and desserts every other day. So it was good okay. Anybody else have opinions of other scheduled the first week when a your intimate with Norway. Lucky O.`Neil Jack. See those macy's and joke Modera- Kambauk adult La Famiglia Michael's Erotica Gaza in the boy no after dope until noon less consequence. Beto this low. See Him when you cook annoys. Done Dun combination thicket deposit Tacoma. My depositors like what in cuisine Nando but apparently paraliement the see it depends in in Tacoma sales. Seattle Molin Manta Pulpit addy up at the park on unless chimeras as well no I kid on this day a man welcome Manta at the Michael enthrall. Yoweri our Lewisville anthem says litter elementary also so radios The the seminar Look Law Handle Thatta. Dmz Most win committed away. The lobby is one of those losses. Blasio's on their simone need to lower the tax that accepted it. Went up Stiller's at the boys the Illinois severely. He'll eat them with the end the ran. Ems committed daily. See also. Don't get to see a lot of the Philippe it in you to people's but I guess that Acoustic member cloud swagger bill in the or use I'd seen would've does was gab. Radio Way wars this puzzle Mike. You're not casino. Mutual Betas. See so you're set up the KITCHEN K. Their key Mitchell trap yellow lifespan helicopter on Kennesaw Kuzina cub on attainable outcomes. Trust your finger yen. Komo's Komo by having know of my own Thursdays Puma okay. Let's talk about Filippi's nonstop organizing in the house. Oh okay so imagine okay so you all housing here potter right. This is the best -nology so here potter and the philosopher's stone they and all of the Harry Potter Films They have those Matt stairs they constantly change constantly shifting. Never resting ever. That is how things go here. You put something down and just set into motion next thing. You know it's not there it's just gone. So that's that's how it goes down. I get a competitive putting him. Look at the Komo Komo Poverty Laura you came and just Buso is looking up. But that's like a yellow mercy. Supposedly entrances assembled. Sooner let the night I must tolerate Mandela but Oklahoma Personas. It raised a community epicenter system which I commute by the are set up in the garage. But I'll ask US getting free. Hit US dry storage stores. He the Oregon Nissan. Though not lost lasco's societies Basil's but sadly mediscare prepared allows Ramos Muskie man went on a similar Simonis. Ascione met a lot by Unisys. Send me last. Who carried cable and Friend Day? Yes he's El sponsor. Papa Vian remarkable loyal listening. Carol Lost Does Synthesis. I love lost rested. Musso Los Unlimited Process Avenue Dispenser Erie organiser although and then eleven domino's Mugabe LASCO's us don't they let Vm of would again Does this daughter Constantinople donate that lawsuit of which Philippoussis tickets in your papers and yellows Lorraine to getting cares? Yet the Anatolia Parana Li fi indicator less regretted came. I mean Cain look. I don't think that he always says that. The response is your Naga Wren. wound thing. Y'All know said on this time now before we could. I wanted to describe this garage off so this is a three car garage that hasn't been opened in. How long Punch you? I honestly can't remember Michael. How long what was the last time? This garage was opened five to three years. Okay so let's say three years ago so this garage hasn't been open in three years. It's covered on the walls because the organization here it's pristine it's it's museum quality. We have paper store so we have. We have a couple of good with paper goods and then we have even have clothing over here. This is how much like I have adopted the environment and then we have a section with jackets. And what's behind that thing? We have more jackets and then we we have machinery. We have art in behind the art made by Margot at some points or ceramics and then there's green curtain and behind the Green Curtain. There is a lot of goods anything you need. What do you need on literally? Every time every time I said hey do you guys have this. Philippi will come out with a box with three of those no matter what the garage. Eskimo Latina. They'll dollar Hanta Cohn Cohn target onto. I WANNA I don't WanNa give gave a lot of promotion to them and then behind us. We have the pantry where we have dry storage. Dry Storage with everything you can imagine. And then one day all of us were sitting here and then another curtain open yet. Total Colorado's it. Those waters that have been have been collected by Moma for the past twenty years. Devise the garage into I am just getting started on the other side and another son that is not here on the Hunter Charlotte hundred his one. Who whole entire Zadie out your setup? That's the that's the recording studio slash Grocer Mama Jewelry Business. What is the name of the Jewelry Business? They curious crowd. They curious crowd. So it's a curious crowd workshop slash storage of guitars slash recording studio slash books back there. There's a leaving anything you can imagine. You will find it here so the world can and we don't give a fuck because we are read before Jim like where did I assigned okay. Okay but some the last bands. Because there's no. There's not the equipment that I need to make exercise so people think I'm going to kill myself now. I'm just going to hang into some pull ups that's all but yeah so it's like a made up. Jim and then how many fridges are in this House? So we have four like the main one on the kitchen. We have another full-size Fridge in the garage where we keep all the greenery and then all the extra Mex- next we buy We have a free for all the meat. That's the back patio. And then we have more fridge for all our start all because we started a business. And this Caro- okay bunches. How does this whole thing started? How do how do we went from like? We WanNA make us our. Because that's what everybody is doing on twitter to a business Okay so huge. Shout out to cody's That is my good friends operating out of Upland California and they actually Out of the goodness of the heart and started this whole banking thing. That inspired me to try to make something out of my something predictive into to actually create something that would be you know like that. We all invest into time wise energy wise and actually profit from and so. That's kind of where this grew from. It really started. Because they're seven people in this house and we really just love carps and it was really hard to to find though it was really hard to find them like we literally seven ables. Y'All don't understand. We're life averaged five eleven to six seven like come on Five ten five nine yes. They're go close enough but anyway yes so you know we needed her own bread and then with the starter you're Kinda just forced to deal with the discarded and we never really knew what we were signing off for next thing we know we're beginning by a Lopes Day and we didn't know what to do with them and next thing we know like everybody loves them because once again My good friends at starters. Delicious distorted right so they give you the starter for the sorrow and then it started with like one or two loaves and now there's two fucking shifts gesture is actually like into a full own business actually make deliveries to what about. I mean at the farthest will spur fifty miles a day but it's only like the fifth day and he seems to be going well so hopefully deliver today like sixty miles lies. I did. I dated drove today. Sixty miles to the liver. You beat me beat me so we have soured auto industry happening in the House. I Want I e was the failure I I. It was my failure bright the first or second week we started making sourdough bread and then it was just like failure and then. I got criticized. We didn't we didn't have the right flower to have starter so we have. We were trying to start a starter without the right flower so the flower was just not rising so he tried to make bread and it didn't rise so it was like a baked it was baked. Flat Baked Bread. Turn it into breadcrumbs. It was useful really sour so here in this house we all in conversations about where we're going to eat or we're GONNA have what we're GonNa Cook. And then Marco stays in his room and then Marco comes out of his room and he makes whatever the fuck he wants. They're all experiments and I'm here for them. Bread doesn't rise corn bread that he forgot to put a flower in. It was amazing. That's the puzzle except in the wouldn't try this. Try that out in the lead. Turn it turn it into fall once again but I actually saw a written recipe on the fridge. Yeah that's right Today I made the Prussian. Bake a cake. Sorry it's a recipe from instagram. Turn out quite well actually Kind of like a dry non chocolate fudge Brownie. It's in the fridge. Maybe we'll have a piece after we're done here today or we bring out right now. He had called that I love cake. Okay so let's talk about our favorite recipes. I want to go around the table and I want you to tell me which one was your favorite recipe. And we'll start with the. I know it's a hard one because we've all been making really good fucking food but okay. We're all drunk here So we'll start with are they are they. Which was your favorite your favorite meal so far. I think one of my favorites was definitely tackles in to the those gay already a nonstop better Lucy Parada in with Equa- style but instagram. In put okay so for another me's a Communist Party does get definitive can get them in the process. Okay rather throws the casinos also said casinos. Say Porn Gabrielle. Little Scan Timothy Right. The first time we did this it was over Christmas break and we started cooking and then Bunch O. Started making drinks and then we all got drunk and then feliple sweater girl came out with instruments from the garage so it started with them bundle and they don't board and not throw better and then it was over. It became a party so we kind of have done that. A couple of I mean without all the instruments where. We've done that a couple of times here. I think those Las Tacos Theorem Day until another means for economic ultra super assets on less Pisa's skipping channels but about Ocasio quarantine mec where the Quintas gave Ocho Komo years e. Calhoun where they wouldn't war the daily show us. Okay since on. Those property does okay. Let's Talk Costa those those away. Pizza Grocer the mini-vehicles Takasu. Sooner rather stay total strategic. You said it's Awesome. Parral all my circle by those who set those. Bobby Lethal Yemen. Well look number but I'm a bit. Wia Past is past icon pork belly pasta indiscriminate so it's delicious pork belly Caramelized with brown sugar. And then you add fish sauce and soy sauce and let it simmer for like an hour and then it consumer soft and then yeah and then once. It's a nice soup. You add pasta and it's just the lucious Vietnamese Pasta. Litas elite does wing told the Korean the Korean wing slash chicken slash. We had our last night for the third time. We had the leftovers today for like an hour got up Lopeti Muslim over multiple next week and another look. Let me tell you. A monitoring. Eat Sushi them engaged poncho number. She talked Philippa. Where not solic- low NICO THREE INTEL CORE INTEREST INTEREST? Plenty year right. His title of a Minimum Service only as popular as study. Just until A. Lock US Nicole Gangway for me. He will wear visa in the next shift Very to be. They said he talked to him. Blow you array of data is zero number. You Buddy you take on media metro killing quota Perez de the you know not only move we call point is Game Molly appointed finance and some common concordia quota fatal Merrick with his punk one eight hour meeting ne-new in beverly in Nicosia. Wherever on label is the little you'd better record. Various was imposed law. Lipoma Peres cancel the Bongo. Chilli tone. She lays me not getting could live from our brand muscles. We don't pay L. Panel. Look my little better. Every time we eat we always had Rosa in Philippi. Your own say okay. Goals your favorite restaurant Milk amounts middle stole and said Hands Down L. PORK BELLY VIETNAMESE PASTA. But I have been getting good and making homemade. Kimchi interest to for yes man. We gotta go buy some more on upper cabbage and carrots. And we're GONNA get Korean. Fried Chicken confronted rice. I gotta say that Michael Puts Anything on vinegar and it just turns out good. There's a asked chicken but that Kimchi is this shed so my favorite has been the Korean chicken. I gotta say because it's it's not fried. It's Friday twice so yes that's I think that's mean I love my goes but I can make them so. I can let him go but that that Korean chickens I love to cook and I can cook all the time and I can cook for a lot of people but if it takes more than five steps I don't do it and that's where my new takes over. That's why he him and Make the make. The bread make all the difficult recipes. What is your everyone? Yeah because this hour brad takes like twelve hours to come together My favorite recipe. I have to say is also the Korean chicken Not Because it's double fried but because of all the different sides that we usually make to go with it because we have Korean chicken and then yesterday we have fried rice and pad and then the time before that we had Mac and cheese and cream cheese born the cream corn. So it's just like it's it was just much food and it's delicious and they loved it every single time two or well you'll already know however I'm Kinda sad to notice that nobody remembered because once I say you're all going to be are like yes because something Elza. We did more than once and we did fly twice was it but the and I think that a favorite meal and we did make that. What two or three times twice? I believe But also what am I saying in is what I was GONNA say about? The whole Korean fried chicken was that it's not necessarily about the one main item. It's about the entire meal and ads will make the Korean chicken amazing as what really made by the Communists come together as well was the first time we made our own garden. Need to go with the time you made her own. Braise port Both of the times we have or like we made a separate salsa multiple salsas actually that Landreau pre Outta last all of that yell more Nicholas. H These another love you go see now. Yobe Competitive Mica. They also also. It's doing its job but also going to say it's every single meal we have been having like five delicious sites and it's not just like a side it's also like a condiment so we make a salsa. I remember every time we made TACO's like there's like seven different layers. You have to put the me and then the sauce and the veggies and the tomato and then on the answer this salsa some sort of like you eating listen I know it blessed eight five Tacos and then you see like some other ingredient that you hadn't seen on the table and you're like shit like I. I already ate everything now. I have to like make another TACO's I can have that delicious side and have the entire effect of what it's supposed to be. It's been so good that the other day I was in punches room folding clothes. Philippi is all year style handle. If the teaching thing doesn't pan out should open a restaurant and we had a twenty minute talk about food. That's how good the food has been. They can prove canal hysteria easiest. Don says he does say. Let me try out this. Master's I and the girl financial aid dateable about that though. I also just wanted to add quick about food before we move on is something that I think. We all have to take a minute to talk about. It's We've had some really awesome bomb. Basic simple breakfasts and or entire quarantine is just been good because breakfast keeps US sane. That's yes like in anybody can take over in the morning because we all wake up. We go to the table. We open our computers. Because we've like a lot of us in the table like we've been blessed enough to continue to have a job I've been recording my classes online. As you guys know my husband has his job stealing the museum and everything is done online so others so like in the morning. It's work work work but also I think we we wake we opened. Oh yes that's right. And Michael Stays calm and pass his scoring tween twin quarantine every single day. But then we're like fucking. I'm hungry like the other. I'm hungry and then You bought all this Baloney and then put together this breakfast sandwiches and then there's been bred like tolls Sir. It's been beaten out of control but also one of my favorite things is when we come to right now. It's a little warm but for the first month which will just come here to the garage. The first time we all were here in the garage we played bundle recall though he got a whole entire concert as people were needing everybody was knitting and I was like the whole entire weird concert because it was it was really strange but it was so good you should watch it so knitting has been a thing but also there's like a lot of businesses happening so other takeaway you talk about saints. Macos also do I have been like you always promoted something. So why don't you tell everybody about all of the different things that you've been promoting so and I'm going to put all the links in the in the website so they can support you okay so if anybody from actually my nine to five job listens to this. They're going to think I haven't been working at bid on me smoked the no say go home with a project owner of India w minimal it but away a Komo. Yemen's Polka me project. Oh the me. 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I got really good news and I also got really bad news through this whole process and now also sure that I was part of this family and for that I WANNA thank everybody here for allowing me to watch you make all this as I'm trying to make my own land classes in doing all this work for the bottom of my heart. Thank you thank you thank you. I am ready to keep working but I'm also going to miss you all when everything is over so I don't know if somebody wants to add everything before we go to get him doesn't get him on much. Tesla Mr Corazon Nece Day Labor. Your Mama Ma. Then total CON ESTA Lamia. It must tell kids. Salem mass lawmaker Perceive Moose. Correctively that is going on a WHO panels e Kit and most Philip apart the league in the bad news. Good News Jeff. Fake News fake news than the than the to talk about cafe rather this juno bed. Almost the case that the rural literally Stuff the stole swoon. Missile though At wrinkle thrown on my main. The KOMO F- Amelia Book was Astara Media. 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So you can visit our blog in the name of the blog is one two three. That's right because I lake's has a blessing called Luca he is holding Lucas three years. Three years old Komo Novelty Toshiki. And he's speaks better. Spanish than most of us one time. He wanted to leave the house and the data. Like let's go. Let's go go. But his dad's played was full of soup. Bondi gas he goes no poppy dramatic Ito like just starting him so they wouldn't leave so I was like okay. Why don't we call the project to Kalita so you can go to? Instagram is called. D'amato cal veto also the blog is Kalita. That come through as easy as that. And you can see pictures of all the meals that we've been having Are they in Punch Oregon? Post some more pictures in the next couple of months. Recipe member knows memories all of that stuff and then I guess. What are we stop right here? And then we'll make we'll make Patriot extra episode with the story of the best story the best story of the quarantine. Thank you but here which is grass. I said what I had to say and I love everybody to Lou did it did it. Did they And we're back. Get The bonus you oh my God. What an amazing family. You are so blessed they are so fun. I was kidding in the beginning of the episode when I said they should take over the podcast. A joke no more. That was so fun you wouldn't. They told everybody that we should record. Say if I don't perform modern I'm like video like this. This is in part because they were so nervous so we had to pull out the barrel of mascot everybody will get kilos pedal not allow Hamilton bookie must but it was still. It was still a lot of fun. Oh that was very sweet. Makes me miss my family ally? You're really lucky to be quarantining with people you love so shout out to shadow to all the people are with their families And they're not as nice as Beverley toes family. I know y'all are going through it right now but And then shot up to the people that are by themselves. Hopefully you can listen to this episode and think of Your Fam- you know. Yeah it's been like there's Times where I've been. I thought I was like what what what we do. Just like like was the best decision but yes like I. I think I think the the heavens time fools fast and there's a lot of activities going on and we've been really really really productive so thank you Lord Rama's for housing me for a month and a half now And thank you for this episode. It was so much fun and don't forget the matter took a little thing. It's a thing now so well. There's like a instagram. And everything all put all the links on on on the website. Yeah that's awesome. So do you have any recommendations before we go I do? I want to recommend this podcast that I've been listening to out of Texas called last hill at Tina's funny a couple of my friends are in it I don't know if they want me to reveal who they are. Because it's a very candid. Podcast they talk about a lot of personal things but it's Gas dudes talking about just talking about their life. It's really fun so check out last Latina's podcast. Everybody awesome so I have one. I have that the Butte. Actually this month I have a couple of the butte album spirit. I want to start with south cathedrals. Debut album charisma. This is Dembo Heaven. It's like the type of music that they have been making for a while. It's it's very experimental but it's also very approachable. And it's like it's almost like they slow down the dem bow dragged on that. It's happening right now. Almost into the dream pop kind of round and they have come up with an amazing all won. The album is coca mine. Shot out the because I know they have been following the podcast for a while so I hope they're listening to this. This is an incredible album and it just came out its debut. I also want to thank all of this band because they're not holding on their releases. They're actually pulling out some of their albums right now in the middle of the quarantine any facts. I'll get even thought about it for a second because when they produced this album There there's like Aleta shifts happening in their lives but precisely for that they decided to do on the decided to do a fun album and releasing right now so necessary to have this type of music again that they viewed album from South Cathedral. Gatti's Ma and just school a looker. It is everywhere cool. I gotTA check it out. Thank you for that wreck babs. Yes Awesome Awesome Music. Anything else boom. That's it some as always you can visit us at Latinos who lunch dot com. Please send your letters to ask. L. W. L. Pod at Jimoh DOT COM and. We might read them on a future episode. You can also leave a voice memo. You can also call us. Who will put the phone number in the show notes Yeah and if you have time please leave us a review five stars Five Stars. 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Episode 148: Sandy Rodrguez
"Hi this is bobby. Don't we are Latino? Much the podcast where we talk about important things like the hello. Hello hello to show could show gear. We are yet again. Let Dino's who watch on the airwaves. Hello Kit that almost best life. How about you Same here getting ready for crazy couple of weeks of traveling but looking forward to being on the West Coast for a couple of days. GonNa get to see my family and you know my dad is GonNa come to visit me in California. 'cause I WANNA be there for like two days and I told them I need at least color. So you know you best believe. Oh Yeah. That's when they get like a hubcap and flip it around and put a bunch of meat and the way that my dad. My Dad's discover for anybody who doesn't know who discovers like Google but my dad's discover is basically this Komen. Walk Thicke right and you just put it outside. Canoeing with a burner is can have any started talking about food but Lipponen Dolly Puerto scene. Las Aleka dosing Lola Porn gardening hit Chile Kosovo. Yeah and then. He adds beer. He has like three years in a couple of shots of Tequila and he leads marinade for like three hours by the time you eat it. It's almost like you eating cody. So 'cause it's just like all the juices and all they mean. Start INTO THIS INTEGRATE. Just at the perfect moment yeah. It's like all the all the things that that people like. You know like crazy diet culture people that like us. The NAPKIN PAT OFF. The that always cracks me up when people think when they're eating pizza and like pat the grease off of the pizza. I'm like bit. You're still going to eat that slice of pizza. Just enjoy enjoy. The grease like doing but this guy is like that Greece. That's what you're eating like. A go to add salt to the wound. You use that Greece. And that's how you hide it or oh. I see Oh my God. I don't know about that because I'm a Vegan but smells so good on you guys are doing. It is so nice and my favorite is a little. You guys always chop up the little things so you can put like rob I know and like all that shit on there so good do but it's become almost like a right of passage because it's for the dudes rights like I don't know how to make that. Shit but my sister this lady Kiddo. We ask so it'd be better like my brother in law is the one who like. I don't let torture also like in the Family. Really the word torture. I feel like that's a spangles. Were NOLATO chair. Let it wasn't even a soap opera in the nineties called and neither so maybe sale say like a soap opera star. Let your chance indeed How about nineteenth century Mexican history because in the nineties isn't every novell about empowering every November eighteenth century fucked up Mexican history but anyway. That's what's going on with me. What's going on with you hope it. We got to talk about what we've been eating because you know I've been really inspired by the junk food that I eat. A lot of my work is about that and write about thinking about food a lot a lot lately ever since last year when I did that. Show about tex-mex food you know. And so I'm always thinking about Donna's that we and like like Doritos for example. And how they're like kind of like DOROTHEA chips like Mexican but they have their own. It's like this really weird identity. That doritos have their like masculine chips. Kind of I feel like they're I like Doritos are very masculine. Like it's always like lightning bolt like doritos. From what I mean I guess. Yeah so like always bright colors. There's only one bag. That's like pink which I mean I know that doesn't mean masculine feminine. But and it's like the one that's like I think it's like variety thing I don't know anyway you know how they make those like prefabbed Not Fab pre mixed Both Ghana bags like like it's for lesbians for Y'all you high ass. Mother fuckers Wani cheetos amp pretzels Andrea. Those at the same time like Oh my God get a life but guess what I started making my own. So so my favorite is to get regular doritos. Okay Latinas launch sponsored by Frito lay and then get so regular Doritos but just a little bit just to just to pay homage to to the godfather of chips. Okay and then. My favorite potato chips are actually ruffles. Ruthless has roofless. Please decolonize ruffles. Roofless and regular roofless are the best because you can put like Valentine on 'em and Shit. Oh Saddam lowly mon but for this mix. I'm trying to go all the way trying to like high blood pressure all the way to the hospital with this so I to get the sour cream and Cheddar roofless. Okay then I put that in a bowl then I put in Hot Cheetos sprinkle hot cheetos on top of that only see at and then I'm do regular ruffles. Okay on top of that the white ones and then I put more hot cheetos on top of that. And then that's when I put in the keys non not the Spicy Spicy Takis. 'cause they're always on fire girl? They're my new favorite are the barbecue ones. They're Kinda spicy there like an blue bag But for some reason actually you would really like this because you like to catch up and sugar and all the bullshit you eat them. I will also because they remind me of divine God for three weeks. Those are the Guatemalan chips. They remind me of somebody. Yeah they're caught torturing the chips that they they sound Guatemala. I don't know why you're laughing. That's disrespectful American culture. I don't appreciate Mexico. Centric eight here coming from the microphone. Macarthur three weeks. I explained it to you is played three. It's not you know what stay walk by. Believe I told you about six Guatemala episode. We did earlier last year. Okay so I like to mix all those together and I eat them. And it's like the perfect pairing with like a Shitty soda and so I'm not saying all that to say that I just ate that who with the Diet coke and I feel like absolute trash so it's a high for like ten minutes and they'll get this eating it because it's like. Oh Spicy crunchy. I love those textures. And but now I feel like I'm absolute shit as Gomez thirsty locals. Yeah and you know and I am always just like excuse my my capacity for using this term but I'm always flabbergasted at the amount of sodium in Like the amount of salt in like Latino treats like inland like okay. The let me get a fucking callers. The Montana's with like all of the fucking tacky non it. Yes I remember. You know what it's called when they like when when you go gone are Malakand and you say I don't know maybe you And you get like the Cup of like Gueti with like what happened says and then they put in like a full body in those Straw and then they put in. What is that call? Nobody I know exactly where you're talking about the mighty Khun Sheila. That's what does the locals are with supposed to like. Yes he does. And so. Oh my God it's so good hold on might the as here. Aweso fucking annoying. It's because I'm staying at Grandma's house so they just show up. You can leave this and if you want give me one second. I gotTa stop bringing the doorbell like Damn House. Sorry I'm just kidding. I'm not mad. I'm just angry. Okay does always talk to my family and and we're back. Oh I don't think you got me. Cussing out my aunt on there because I was just getting out. Thanks okay what was I talking about? She didn't Cacao what does happen is what makes him Japanese. Except for the raise fucking wrapping I. I think it's made up. I think it's like a fortune. Cookies aren't really Chinese. You know kind of thing. They were invented in San Francisco and Chinatown right like Sushi. Okay like California roll. Yes I think that was a mentoring. California. You're right something but anyway what about good. He does what he does. No I'm just saying like that's the kind of snacks that we have though. It's all the fucking sodium. That's what you were saying. It's it's true like when you think of I never think about the scene but you're right like when I eat pineapple Pineapple Sandia on this summer. I fucking loaded with shed but one day. I look at the bottom like deal seat dose until it's Insane Way macomer says my resume. Unical a never use rings before till now with my wedding ring semi at Tora Ole. We get it. You're married thought main showy offy with US Shit You're eating a lot of salt as well I know it's too much it's too much and and you think. Mexicans are bad with Sodium Guatemalans. Oh my God let them on. Assault net plan led the way like when we use when we cook. We LIKE SALT. We season and salt the shit out of everything. My family does anyway and I feel like the same worldwide but like I feel like. Yeah 'cause 'cause my Mexican family like Oh my God you put a lot. I'm like oh I thought this was the normal amount of salt. But I don't know it's a lot to watch it but anyway so we are here because I we have a special interview. Well especially because all our interviews her special with artists Sunday Rodriguez and I wanted to talk a little bit about a couple of things before we start. Get before we go into that recording. Because we nerd out I have rarely talk about colonial. Shed like that in the podcast before so we just started talking about all these sharing night. I was listening to the to the Interview and I was just like you know what? Let me break down some of the things that we talked and then we'll listen to the interview. There's more questions and other things that they can so that we can come back after the interview and get into it but one of the first things that we talked about. And we didn't get into it in detail is the Florentine Codex. And Yeah what is that so the Florentine Codex is pretty much one of the two or three surviving documents that we have about Pre Conquest in central Mexico. Pre-conquest now what traditions Michika traditions. And also it's an account one of the few indigenous accounts of the Conquest in Mexico. We have that we have the lien so that last gala and a couple of things but most of that show got erase you know and and and there was no time because there's a genocide happened outside so a lot of people couldn't record everything they what was going on at the time so this was of course was commission by a religious person. Franciscan Spanish person so you have to take that shed with a grain of salt. So what are we talk about? Is that? We'll talk about the history of how that book came to be because he was thirty years of research of different people talking about different traditions and to me they look. It's Dan Lewis. Planters like everything about the now. What world is recorded there? So that's what we refer to when we talked about Bernardino. That's how goon is. Differences can hook a mission that and the Florentine Codex is named after the Florentine Library. Where is at in France because a lot of that shit? A lot of those things became Became like trump trophies of war so instead of staying in Mexico they went to they went back to to Europe and then they were given away by the The Spanish kings sort of like look. We conquer this and we're bad asses. So here's had been onto the Montezuma our here is this that and or this book you know so. They became trophies of war and but again steel. Today that's pretty much the only information we have about a Lotta things pertaining the attic world. You know that now. What the world Okay so her. Her art is based on that a lot of research and a lot of the materials. It comes from that document and also we when we talk about. Larry less graphic as something. Also that I. WanNa do a whole episode just on that bridge because it's so interesting so that are less. Unicef geographic. Us. It's also around that period. This was commissioned by Philip the second the King of Spain towards the end of the sixteenth century Middle Eight sixteenth century. And you know we have our idea of a map right. A map is like Berta view vessel. You see the territory the ocean and there's like lines all names and all kinds of shit. It's a very European way to see things it's like. I look at this and I possess this shit you know so like everything that when we think about maps including Google maps is based on that and when you see those close ups those three d. close ups of maps. In in Google dive was a creation of the Romans. Like that's been around for like two thousand years so with that in mind Philip. The second is telling everybody who now owns properties in in Mexico. He basically said everybody in a different territory of central. Mexico has to make me a map because I want to know all the territory that we have but because people have a different relationship with land the maps look different so it doesn't look like Berta view so some of them are around. It looks like a big circle. Some of them look like spiral. That's because everybody's relationship and movement within the land is different so by the time they put all the maps together of that unit's geographic us and we're Brad back to Philip. Dip can what the fuck is like. How can I used that? That is a form of resistance. So that's another thing that we that we talked about. We also mentioned the bourbons. And that's just the family that was in power by the seventeen hundreds so there's like a couple of details here and there's a lot of historical details that we didn't get into it but the most important one is Africa's because it's about non-european type of understanding the land through maps and also the Florentine Codex so I just wanted to like you know. Break that down and then we can get into the interview right. I hope our taking note duet over for your car over before we go into the interview. Why don't we go into Short commercial and then we'll get to listen to Sunday for these. Did it did? It did Bob Alito my word. It is so nice to see so many people helping us out on our patriotic and pay POW. And yes thank you. Everybody who's been supporting and donating. It means the world to us and without your help we will not be able to do this but remember that if you want to join our are group's in Patriot. We have three levels the first level. You can donate one dollar. 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Oh okay so I'm nervous and excited but I'm GonNa tell you a little bit of the story behind how I met Sunday so right after my wedding this was in December fifteen. We spent a couple of weeks with my inlaws in in Riverside in somebody's Reno and we were just looking for things to do so. We decided to go to the art museum and we heard about this exhibition. That that took information from the Florentine Codex. Go this has got to be called. Go Watch it immediately in early yet. Iki In his mother on it was such a good show and I remember talking to my husband and saying you know what I have to get her information. I need to talk to her. This is too good and I went back to Chicago and send you an email and I said I want you podcast. And then when she replied yes. I know Latinos who lunch hour so so so so excited so this has been in the works for a whole year exactly and it's finally happening again. Thank you so much for having us in your studio. Thank you so much for agreeing to do this. Short interview Thomas. I am fantastic. I am so excited to have you here and to be able to preview the newest work of the Alex Rodriguez going series and to just kind of share some of the process and stories behind everything with you so tell our audience. What do what is your I mean I you do a lot right. But what is the main idea behind some of your pieces? Tell us a little bit about the material because it's very fascinating so what I'm doing is creating a series of maps portraits now and studies of both locations endemic flora fauna and now people to the Americas and really using the materials that have been used traditionally in this region to tell our stories. So I'm really working with contemporary politics. Moments of the Conquest finding cycles and histories that intersect with a variety of subject areas and the materials that you use water that inspiration. Come from so having had a background in working in museums and working in museum education. I was very familiar over the course of twenty years with Western European Art History and materials the cat and so as I became more familiar with colorants that were specific to the Americas and Gucci Media. Chesley kosher meal being kind of the gateway for understanding how the global art market and global trade was influenced by color of the Americas that led me to text called colors of the new world by the Aloni right. Which would you and I are like fans. I have absolutely been obsessed with this text. The author and all the related material for the past three years so in the text she describes how book eleven of the Florentine Codex is a painting treatise of the now all world in the sixteenth century. My investigation started there with understanding that there is a code of occasion a conceptual basis for using earth materials versus solar Rome plant based materials. So I'm really playing with this idea of conceptual. Contemporary practice rooted in a tradition of my history. My people my region right. I'm three GENERATIONS PAINTER. And so really kind of playing with colorants that are hand foraged processed and impregnating. The surface of sacred ceremonial outlawed paper. I`Ma Day to tell. The story is critical for me. See It's this is fascinating in for those of you for those that might be familiar could transform the world canea. It's a buck that you get from Nepal and it dries in when he drives you smash it and you get the brightest red right the most beautiful red in the world most beautiful red so when the Spanish arrived there like they brought it back to the new to the Nura. Don't use that word. They brought back to to Europe and it transformed the empire completely transformed the empire. Because now you can get all of these pigments from bugs from plants as opposed to like semi precious semiprecious stones and there was like this big demand and now that I think about it one of the things that only talks about in the Florentine Codex. Which is. It's almost like an encyclopedic book of everything from the now at world right it was based on please. I'm Roman like the history of Rome and I remember in tax of Maloney. She talks about at some point. Everything in black and white because the demand for this segment was such in the extermination of native peoples in central Mexico. Was such that the people that were creating the CEO's those those those that you could buy you could actually extract the collar from were dead. They were completely gone. So there's like a whole history of this this practices in the Americas but yet when we go to school will learn the same fucking thing right. Yes and the two dozen like we look as that are working in the Galil. Doug the logo some clues by the time they hit book eleven and once they start describing the chapter on color is when the best is so tremendous that they can't go outside and harvest anything they can't collect any colorants from anyone. So even the chapter on color and the entire book. Twelve of the conquest calls black and white. So there's a way of describing color through different kinds of visual elements six fires. Yeah so if there is a particular bottle brush plant. That's bright red. They put a little lady bug next right. I was just explaining that to my swallows because we were talking about your art and we were talking about what we're going to do and I was explaining the Florentine like keep that. Keep that because that was a signifier for red like by the time we get to book. Twelve of the conquest which is the only narrative told from the indigenous perspective of the Conquest. There's still a couple. Folios are not folios but miniatures. That have a little bit of my green and a little bit of a blue and I was like I thought they were completely out. No they were saving it to highlight certain geographical locations where these scenes took place and so in dealing with the map that I described to you of Los Angeles. I had to really think very strategically about what was going to be heightened if I'm trying to make the parallels from conquest to caging right really jumping off from that. How do you in a very restrained way use color you know yet so why maps of Los Angeles White Maps of California? Are you from this area? I'm from the border okay. So is born in national city. Grew up on both sides of the border. The WANNA in San Diego moved thirteen times before ended in Los Angeles Nineteen eighty-seven. Oh Wow so. I consider the border in the south southern part of California and the southwest to be home right. And how long have you been working with with doing these types of maps so this is now starting the third year of the series and so while the first map was really my explorations into the various florist provinces of California understand which colors from the Florentine are available in the Sonoran Desert Hobby. Desert to the Great Basin Desert encamped out five to seven days. Each time under the full moon with bright bright gorgeous light in the sounds of the coyotes could bring it all my water campfires every night working with all these herbalists and different people than Art People Sola Con Herbalist in Group of the hint. That on ninth especially for these first field studies. The first map was about plotting the natural resources that had been used as medicine and as color and so by the time I finished that map it became crystal clear that I couldn't ignore the detention centers that peppered the California landscape Console really understanding that the criminalization of our people and our history was not known. It became this moment to really kind of collapse time from the colonial to the present and really make that crystal clear in a document that could then be performed to to kind of teach about a contemporary history. An earlier history that we're all a part of but it's not appreciated right so just to describe a map of Sunday's Rhodesia's you will have a map that shows part of the west coast of the United States highlighting but at the same time subverting some of the border area. Sometimes maps highlight the border of new Spain right before independence in one thousand nine ten so that includes Nevada Utah California Texas etc etc and imagine a bird's eye view of a map of California but inserted within. Maps are little signifier. Za while you saying of of clashing time collapsing time. So you see helicopters of ice agents. You have markers. Were some of this cages. Were they incarcerate our children at and then at the same time you have sea creatures you also have a variety of things that all of them have a source of historic historical documents source. That's what I was fascinated about it because I am an art historian and I have a lot of kids working with me and I have a few artists and I'm always pushing them to do research based art so when I saw your art and I was like Oh my God this is this is i. Show it to my student by the way. I want to invite you to give electron microscope. We'll talk about that but anyway explain a little bit of that of of of your attraction to do at every single. Turn it your work. There's a reference to a historical document says I mentioned before I had a long background in supporting my art practice by teaching museums and teaching with historic collections. So every single element has a source. Every single element has a resident to do right. Nothing is appear invention everything is retold from another time replace and is a reference in upholding. Something bigger so in creating these works being very much aware of these traditions. It became an opportunity and a responsibility to really thoughtfully pluck elements from different texts but primarily from the Florentine to populate it with what we've known for five hundred years I as our history in our culture you know so like every sea creature that you see in the ocean is a direct quote from the Florentine Book. Eleven every plant I found in the Wilderness and cross referenced it with something from book eleven or another ethnographic source so I'm cross-referencing all of this with ethno bought me from a database out of University of Michigan with the Florentine with contemporary botany databases out of Berkeley. And really getting to. What do we know about these plants in twenty nineteen or twenty eighteen or twenty seventeen on this thing and what did we know about five hundred years ago and how are we kind of understanding the uses of living things around us that are part of us in this location and what? It's fascinating about this your projects but also this process it's that the processes themselves of going out and quote unquote exploring. Have this very oppressive history right so like the first botanist. In a way where the Franciscans who are just serving everything but the purposes of the Franciscans was extermination was controlling was power was land possession and then we have a second wave of that in the late seventeen hundreds with the bourbons because they were obsess about classifying everything from insects to humans. The French don't get me started and you in some of those practices better for a completely different. And that's what I find fascinating when we were driving over here. I told my husband what I like about. Those maps is that you're surveilling the surveillance and that's fantastic and really thinking about how you use these conventions of cataloging for different purposes for my purposes right and the purposes. And that's and this is what we refer to in the PODCAST. Now is an anti-colonial gesture supposed to decolonizing practices because everything is so colonialism. Possible to decolonize but this is the perfect example of a D. colonial gesture that is taking those practices that are embedded in a way of understanding the world because we understand maps all of us understand maps the same way and kind of trying to change that. It's almost utopic. But they're still thinks anti-colonial things you can do with those practices that have been around for so so long so looking at maps and looking at all those identifiers and Cigna fires. It's exactly what I'm talking about. It's a non anti-colonial gesture and really kind of looking at a variety of mapping from the indigenous perspective as opposed to the European perspectives of mapping from this particular period is something I get to play with and collapse and turn on its head and experiment with so every map uses different strategies right. I one was a complete aerial with a few kind of landscapes. Kind of juxtaposed right within these florist kinds of provinces. The second map had more combination of both those. But then also these google map kind of aerial views of detention centers. So it becomes this lived media and then historic love it the third man becomes this more kind of elevations of the transverse range. Because I'm doing Los Angeles for the First Time. This is home and yes. That's your lived experiences. This is my lived experience since nineteen eighty-seven but when did it finally take me a wended? The opportunity finally arise for me to go into the foothills of the saying Gabriel's and into all of the Santa Monica Range and really slow down and the same way as we look at art and we slow down and we inventory and we look very closely and we really kind of make associations there's a way of looking at the natural world that has a very clear parallel for me for looking at art so it's interesting that depending on how much time. I've spent an place it'll change the way that I depict. The place in this reminds me a lot of another sixteenth century project. Larry Lesean and let graphic. Was this this empire project gun wrong for the best way so basically the second? He's like. Okay girl we need to inventory everything that I own now. So everybody that has has properties in the in in new Spain and lease in central Mexico. They all have to make a map from me so they go to all the people that own those lands and they in return commission indigenous people from the area to make maps but everybody understands mapping and understands relationship with their lives in a different way so the idea was to have like two hundred maps put together into a book. So you can tell who could show so he could show basically all the different areas and the result was like sixty or so different maps. They all look different. Because everybody has a different relationship. I think that also key calls a rea- circular realism. They'd give walking around the land. And they understand that by walking so they have different perspective. They collapsed time. They collect space and they are fascinating so I also I recognize that too when I saw your your pieces that you are not only just looking at one way of understand. 'cause maps as we know it today. It's such a colonial thing. A gate like gazing possession. But there's so much more to it and then last February. When I was invited up to Berkeley I got to go into special collections. And they pulled all of these objects for me including the seniors and so now. I'm looking at full color. Sanyo's with these amazing squiggly lines to describe the OAKS and little bears like with their tongues out like by this tree by a stream and it's got ABC. And you know there's a key to it understand that my property is from this stream by this tree where the bears hang out to over here by this. You know a hill and Mountain. This land marker right and so. I became very much aware of the Sanyo maps and those are all attached to the land grant cases after eighteen forty eighteen forty eight kind of acquisition of this territory. So thinking about the role of maps to defend. What is your correct family's livelihood in in concert with Luciano's in concert with some of these earlier maps and so really kind of plane with this idea of place and how you know place and how you represent place became something really important for me to think about with these new landscapes. Purposefully in these new landscapes have pulled out and they're like thirty one inches by forty seven inches a lot of the visual vocabulary from ABC News. But I thought was really familiar when I arrived into this area near Dallas that I hope is legible writing and I. I know in one of the texts. It's another piece. Not that one reference the Sanya writer in that collection. It's so amazing. So now tell us a little bit about this new project you're about to unveil so this new exhibition Is called you will not be forgotten. It is nineteen portrait's a map and folios about this seven Central American migrant children that were killed in customs border enforcement custody so in addition to their portraits that are painted on twenty two by fifteen inch folios of a brown. Monday which is different than the mixed amount they have that I've been working on. This is the exterior bark of a wild FIG that is harvested. It's then simmered an ally solution pounded with volcanic rock and laid to dry in the sun. This particular Mata has klay from Puebla embedded into the tissue of the the amount that so it almost looks like flesh so these portraits are done Of the seven children the era of their birthday or their death their names and their thoroughly researched those have companions of the medicinal plants that are used in a recipe to treat trauma or sue. Still in this this recipes from the Sixteenth Century Right this recipes written in the sixteenth century by a physician who survived both? The conquest and the plague down and so this recipe has a number of ingredients. And so I'm mapping both the locations of wary the died but also offering up the Ramiro for trauma that they sustained that we are sustained by living through this particular moment in addition to the maps. And the child portrait's you have a selection of healers that are processing dramatic IOS or recipes for treating the flu for treating certain health issues. That eventually kill these kids. And so I've taken scholars and and folks that I've been in conversation with replaced the images of the healers with their portraits and really created an opportunity for us to both humanize the children who have been killed but also to think about the traditions of healing and and care and protection that we have in our cultural history. And that's I was. We were just talking about this and I was just mentioning how we tend to forget. This children have humanity. They're human beings because they are they are the signifier. They're the they're the body. I mean we basically put all of the weight of the fucked up immigration system onto them when they just want to play right they just WanNa be the children. And I learned this from my advice for Kirsten you and she talks about how they're difference between children and Childhood Childhood. Are you adult? Fantasies of what children are It's important to see this that that they have humanities they have faces they have stories they in In what what I find really interesting about your work. Is that you address this issues. But you're very very conscious about material like the material and the actual portrait. There's a lot of. There's like a big relationship between both of them and that's something. It's is carried throughout all of your work but it seems to have a significant importance on this project in reading all of the news stories in English than reading all the news stories in Spanish than reading all the foreign press and then the testimonies of the parents of the kids. You have a crystal clear vision of them as people you know. Philippa seven years old. He's the one that died on Christmas Eve. Right after sleeping on the floor underneath the freeway El Paso well with no blankets mighty. He was healthy. She was one years old. But after being in a how ally in the the Aletta for an extended amount of time with sick kids develop a respiratory issue. She gets no treatment. She dies in the hospital. You know every single one of them have an extraordinary story that is just you know tallied up as the sixth child migrant today no they just die you know and so to humanize them and to not traumatize ourselves. Their memory or their families are community. It was a very very difficult dance between. How do I respectfully present the story? And how do I honor moment in a way that will keep the conversation alive? Despite whatever shit is in the media and this ties to our interview with with a net because she talks about how many times when we have this war crimes because that's why they are when we have this this this em the empire strikes in such a way with the news and the idea is to focus on the parents. What did the parents do? Why do they have to migrate right as supposed to say no? It doesn't matter where they come from. It doesn't matter what they did. What matters is what happened right? And that's something that sometimes get census you Annalisa though because you know. We'd love to empathize for the wrong reasons. But at at all turns their their stories and their humanity. Even though it's in the intersection of conversations we glaze over. It would completely forget about it. And that's what what's fascinating about your project that so thoughtful and soul soul specific about the relationship between the material and the biography and the behind what happened and also connecting it to this material also makes it something that it's been happening for five hundred years right and also blinking into what's happening today. It's amazing and I'll tell you that. I work with a group of writers and we call Ourselves Project. Fifteen twenty one and just before The holiday break. I invited them and we meet once a quarter in the studio to look at the work to hear about the research and then to respond in the form of variety of voices. There will be a reading at the closing of the exhibition. The exhibition opens at Charlie. James Gallery in Chinatown here in Los Angeles January twenty fifth and the show will run through mid March. But we're doing a performance on the final. I think it's February twenty-second. It'll be all on the website but we'll have readings of tax that was created for these kids for these objects and to activate perform this particular exhibition through the voices of ten different writers. So this is now your two thousand nine hundred busy twitching busy. What's next? What's next for Sunday's well wonderful things? Wonderful Things I was just awarded a seven-week artists residency. But I can't talk about it yet. Till the announcement comes out but that begins in April. Oh Wow nice. And then in April. I was also invited to come to Yale to do some research in the Bindi rare books collection to look at that and give a few talks. So I'll be doing some east coast research and some artists talks and then going into a seven-week residency. That's so pretty much booked up through late. June that's you know. I don't look those colo colonial art historians Nostra local because we'd never get any artists the do and understand what we do in. This is something I talked about an Esa road that the empire and the nation works in the ways that you supposed to be Gr- not grateful but pride of your pre column pass or your modern history. It all Looney Alvin moderate way. Even though we are I mean I'm we hated but would part of this system right so when I find out about you I was like I'm gonNA write about two hundred and then I found out that everybody else was writing about Sunita. My colleagues were writing of. What's on the shout out to Cohen? Who's an amazing scholar in in Cornell and she also listened to the podcast so shout out to you grow and we talked about you or narrating are like Oh my God. I'm GonNa go meet her. I'm writing an essay about her. I'm like what you really wrote an essay about it is. It's like a thing so and also like the fact that you work closely not only with your research but people that have done research with this amazing very few artists. If so that are doing this now. I am so incredibly an on and inspired every single time I get my hands on a new article or get to go to a conference and just get spoon Fed all's scholarship and be like I love you. I love you so much you you know and just to have a chance to really understand what are some new ways of looking at this material that hasn't been presented in a wider way. And what I like about us you take the which is what. Try to do with this podcast while we try to do with this part because you take the academic and then you bring it to a large outings. Because sometimes I get that mix. We tend to do circle jerks and nothing happens. You know we just talk about this shit and that's it and then we publish books. They only us read. And then we go into fucking parties and then we pretend we're better than everybody else. What's the point? So the idea is that academe is dying and we need to share this forms of knowledge with everybody not just with our students because we get paid and to see artists like you to see people like Nancy who's also like expanding this idea to wider audiences. It's very inspiring it's an it's amazing so for that thing you thank you so much. God and I can't tell you how incredibly nourished I am. And how amazing it feels to be so openly embraced by a group of Scholars. That have a different kind of area. Focus right like. I've been working with artists and contemporary and historic art history of the Canon for so long that to be able to really kind of get down into the weeds with the people who are writing the tax that excite me and to be so generously invited in offered PD s and offered new articles and pointed to new resources allows me to go so much more kind of deep with the content that I'm dying to learn more about yeah and again and that's something that it. It should be like a like a little bit of a lesson to a lot of artists because as artists and sometimes to students we are afraid of what we consider as as you know when you have. Those scholars are like all that. And you know. How's HE GONNA sheet an answering my email? Just do it. Well Yeah and you get scared to dead. Yeah get pooh-poohed view. Yeah and it's like I'm just like crazy artist. Who like asking me? All these questions of she stopped right. We're more hungry for this type of content this type of visual and material culture in our circles and outside circles than we think so. If you doing anything remotely with Research Base Art or historical documents just go for it because we also are like girls to also fan grow with artists and we're always very thankful that that are awards. Go beyond you know like a fancy article but anyway thank you so much sandy again. This has been in the worst for a year. And I'm so so so so happy until thrill I go back to Chicago very very happy. Thank you thank you again. Oh wait tell everybody where to find you. If there's anything else you want plug. I'm your social media all of it so there's a ton of things coming up. I'M GOING TO BE UPDATING MY websites. I go to Studio Sandy. Rodriguez Dot Com. And you'll have all of the links for the new catalog for the upcoming exhibitions. The talks from the West Coast to the east coast. And all upcoming wonderful things. Gula loca and your social media. My instagram is studio dot. Sandy Rodriguez or a studio. Sandy Rodriguez Dallas coach. Iron is at Bolton and fungus. Thank you very much. And we'll talk to you later. Chow Chow Chow. Thank you to Lou on my gosh. I was so into her. Are I had to do a deep deep dive after I listened to this interview Thank you for introducing us to such an amazing artist. Ga- hurt the cook. The few colonial art historians in this country are crazy about him has about her. She's been in journals and I got to see that shit a year ago and he was in incredible the that the amount of research for every single art piece is fascinating like she. What what I liked about that is that it's the for example. The first series that she's worked that she worked on the maps that took three years that took three years of like camping in the middle of the fucking desert getting samples of plans taking those samples and comparing them with samples of Makiko like pedal dot the Dot de the result. Was this incredible. Incredible incredible body of work that the whole entire tire like all the Latinoamericanos academia. They're just like crazy crazy about her art so she exploded with those with those serious. So it's nice. It's nice to see this like research based type of work. So thank you so much. Sandra gets for this way overdue interview and I really liked what you said about circle jerks and the art world and in academia world. I mean not only because they happen every Tuesday at a and I'm just getting because I guess I mean honestly it's it's like what's the point of doing all this research if you're going to keep it in you know like just have an exclusive club of people that know this information like there's gotta be a way to share this and I think that first of all like you for example being an academic that is aware of that because let me tell you a lot of your historians are not aware of how boring and like like not not like accessible your work. Is You know But to celebrate an artist. That's making this work visual and like accessible and to see that information process in such a way is a huge deal and then for academics. Like you to actually talk about it and celebrate it and you know come up with a new kind of way of talking about the work and or the history and viewing the history. I think that's really really important. Babs doing us. Andy are doing great work. And this goes with this this with what we were talking about las last time. We got our own successes. And we've got our own where we working on so now for example when I get an interview for For anything from grant when I'm writing a grant all the way to Getting an interview for a job. I highlight the podcast. I highlight the Youtube Series. That we're working on and it's part of the digital humanities and it's something that a lot of people don't talk about. There's an awesome essay by Paul B Jazz Jazz Cut. It's called digital art history and the social history of art tours the disciplinary relevance of digital role read and for someone last College of Art Association. There was a whole panel just on podcast and waste dead. That artists and art historians are using podcast as a way to take this information outside of academia. Because I'm sorry to say it but academia is fucking dying so we have to keep up with the times and highlight artists like sandy and sent I. I don't hide it anymore. Bitch I tell my students this is my podcast and you need to listen to this episode like I send them to listen to the episode of a loop or if we're talking about the CASTA system and we don't have enough time. Lego listened to that episode. I don't care anymore and they actually appreciate in. Does the stuff that the sticks to them most so youtube videos and and podcast all of that is becoming the future of academia so people need to change because otherwise your yes. You'RE GONNA publish your book and it's just going to get dusty in a library. Nothing's going to happen. You know so. I think it's important to talk about this things future. I'm the future your tired ass showgirl finished that quote. I WANNA say. Wake my God come on. You're killing me. Babs say go back to city where you go back to party city or You. Hong all my God. I do know that part of the quarter now. The first part wow. That's why I thought okay. Set it up for him. Maybe he'll impress me. Here with the IMPROV skills but river success. I'm sorry about that I apologize anyway. Thank you so much. Susan Rodriguez for this amazing amazing interview. Any of your And if you're interested you google there's all the links that we posted on. They're going to be posted on the website. But are there any recommendations coming from you before we go? Well you know that. I'm always listening to podcasts. And since I'm talking about Paul's drag race I listen to a lot of Rupa's drag race recap shows and I really love. I don't think I've ever talked about drag her on here. It's a podcast by Mano a gap Ian and Nicole buyer. And they. Well there you Nicole buyers so fucking busy that she. She has like five podcasts. And sometimes she doesn't show up to the drag one so he has mono has special guests on it and I really liked their take on the show because I guess mono is a drag queen. Sometimes like he does it as for fun. He's a comedian but he's not a full-time drag queens. So it's it's like It's a perspective of the shows from fans which is always you know it's always great because having also guess that are people of Color is also fine and they really have a diverse set of guests that show up sometimes so it's fun and I love love. Love to listen to that podcast. That's awesome How about you so I got to. I got to sort of Crooners of Mexican music. The first one is going to be safe. I know that the name it's a thing. Say who had thirty or say authority and he has two singles that came out last year. And I'm waiting for the fucking album because it's like do you remember Gustavo's at the solar share. You know how much I love it. So the the the the song for example he denies which is also available. Everywhere reminds me so much of her of who say that these book another which is an album from one thousand nine thousand nine hundred and yet to listen to somebody like I said I think I think I found it named once again at six thirty and he is produced by what base which I recommend that in the podcast like three times and what basis this kid his twenty one by now and he's just making smooth amazing music so the main person from way What base is the one the producer of of Sahadi? So I went to the webs and I found this amazing article by a friend into Richard. I'm from Sung Mass. What he was talking about in that article. It's about this movement of kids especially from the from places like Chihuahua. They're doing this amazing amazing acoustic stuff. And he gave us a list of all. These like this. Like folk like pro folk are not proto fault but like Neil folk artists that are coming our from from Mexico and out of the whole entire list. There was one that totally cut my attention. Also from the state of Chihuahua from the city of Chihuahua his name is Ed Maverick. In this year he has a new album and this is a live album. I was like a live album in metropolitan and then metropolitan is kind of like if you anybody like any artists any singer. Whatever if you perform the metropolitan like jealousy stay where yet ching so I was like what the fuck this guy already has shown the metropolitan and I went back and I started to listen to all his music. Most of it is an acoustic end. It is the fucking cutest most honest most Danial music. You can listen to like I'm not gonNA say allow more. Just go and Google at Maverick and listen to everything because his lyrics are so so so amazing love and it's part of this bigger movement that is happening. That's why I love sung mass. And that's why I love Richard because he always makes me aware with one artists. He makes me aware that that behind. That is like a fucking Malino. There are doing all kinds of amazing things so once again. Listen to add mavrick and also listen to say authority. Both very romantic very acoustic very chill type of music that you will and enjoy a lot and those are my recommendations thank you so much all right you got anything else you WANNA share babs. That's it all right as always you can visit us at Latinos who lunch dot com. Send us your emails at ask. L. W. L. Pod AJIMA DOT com. Also feel free to send us a voice memo We'll air your question also On the next listener letter so I know a lot of your email but if you wanna talk to us a little bit and we would let to hear voices. Just keep it under. You know five minutes or two minutes. Just keep the shorter. The better the shorter your question the more likely it is to get on the air. And you know I'm I'm done with like niceties if your email is wacko girl fix this email and send it again and I will read it because somebody all you say niceties yes. 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Episode 149: Listener Letters - "Bye Racial" Edition
"Hi this is five and his lethal and we are Latino. Watch the podcast where we talk about important things like that came me. Hello Hello Hello. How's IT GOING BABS? It's going to stay busy trying to be positive and it's going how are you? It's also going to be one hundred percent honest from the very beginning. Because I don't know how to do this but I was going to try to make this episode like Fun Fun Fun because I know everybody's going through a lot right now right but I just got a phone call from one of my best friends Thomas who lives in New York and so I just WanNa just Talk honestly about what I'm feeling about. What's happening because I think that's just the best way to spread actual information and actually affect and help people right so I I just got off the phone with him. And he has cove in nineteen. The novel Corona Virus He is a New York and I asked him if I could share this with everybody. And he said yes because like a lot of people have been saying this is affecting people at a very rapid rate and eventually everybody will know somebody that's been affected by it so now you all know all Latinos who listeners so please. If you're not taking it seriously this is this is your message. This is real. This is real. So Thomas is a very healthy person and he has actually been quarantined. Like self quarantined or self isolating for over two weeks now He did go to the store. One time But also his partner. She had to go to work much like a lot of us. We have to go to work. We can't stop working right. I'm and a lot of people out. Her work. Were also infected and are sick so Sh- it's she might be a carrier She's showing no symptoms so again you can be carrying it and you have. You can have zero symptoms. Let me just say that again. You can be carrying corona virus and not have any symptoms and be giving it to in your house to people in your family so That's probably most likely what happened And so he is doing okay. His doctor actually told him to stay home because he he has a larger risk of infecting other people if he goes to the hospital and he's passed the worst part of it But he said that he had very light fever almost not noticeable and didn't realize what was happening until you know it was. Kinda too late and he freaked out and he called his doctor down so he's breathing just fine. He you know he drinks hot. Tea and lemon can hold his breath for ten seconds. And guess what Mimi's he has krona virus so everybody just be very careful and please take it seriously to stay home Because unfortunately some of his family members are really sick. One of them has passed away. my mother has a CO worker. That just passed away. Which really freaked her out and freaked all of us out in our family so I just want to start by saying that. Because you know on Latinos who launch for example like during this whole political campaign season. We'VE STAYED NOT APOLITICAL. But we haven't endorsed anybody or really talked about anything. Because we want us to be like a place a safe space for us to just have fun and hang out and talk and but we can't pretend that there's not a a pandemic happening right now and maybe hearing it from us of for me And Will Change Your Mind? I'm still trying to convince my grandma not to come back from Mexico. But she she wants to come back next week. And it's like the height of what's going on here in Las Vegas Week so it it seems like the height is GonNa come in the next couple of weeks and he's getting in getting dangerous and like I I I'm teaching online and I just encourage my students all the time to take care of your elders like always be watchful of your elders. Because that's the always a section of the population that gets forgotten and those are the people that are dying the fastest so this is very very very important but as you say like e can be any of us and for those of you who may not know Thomas. Do dear friend of the PODCAST. It was because of Ham that we guy one of her first gigs and Wellesley He made it possible for us to go to nyu. He's always supported. So Thomas we love you stay strong. Thank you for letting US share your message and this means a lot to us and again everybody please be mindful like I also had to go to the store. Because he's just you know you have to survive. And I noticed like the distancing in people that just a lot of people. Don't give a fuck and you know like is but it's biting us in the ass so just please. I'M GONNA put a pin in that and just want to end the statement with Thomas. Wanted me to tell everybody because until nobody nobody in his family took it until his family started getting sick right And if and if he can stop y'all from going out for no fucking reason this is it. Tell your parents tell your aunts and uncles tell you. I've well those that don't believe that it's actually happening. Because there could believe it or not. There is still people cutting onions in their house. And and blow drying their mouths and drinking Lee morning thinking. They're fine to just live their lives. Please people just stay the fuck home if you can? I also want to stress that I understand that. Not all of us. Have that privilege so if you have to go out. Please just take the necessary precautions. Thank you that being said Bitch. I went to the store yesterday. And let me tell you talk white people. Oh my God I was so angry. Okay listen this is what happened okay. I was like I'm not going out. I'm not leaving house. I haven't left the house in two weeks. I don't WanNA put any bit at risk. My like White. Let the came out right and so listen. I had this huge institutional order that I put in last week to come this week. And then I saw what was happening with Amazon and Insta- card and all these companies that are treating their employees like animals or actually worse than animals because white people treat animals better than us right. And so I'm like fucking car I know that a lot of the people from Amazon in New York went on strike so I I deleted. I canceled my order and I read. I'm literally out of food so I had to go to the store. So I'm like I'M GONNA go stock up until I went to the grocery store yesterday. Let me tell you. There's people walking around that. Don't give a fuck still like there's this old man I went to. I went to the store and there was this old man that was like so close to me several times that I had to tell him to step the fuck back and he looked at me like I was crazy. There was literally signs every ten feet in the store. Please stay six feet away from everybody and he was like breathing on my fucking neck in the line please. If you go to the grocery store stay six feet away from people. If you'RE GOING TO BE IN LINE KEEP THAT IN MIND. Wait behind people. Don't get close to them. Don't bring your own bags to the grocery stores. I'm sorry you're going to have to use plastic bags. Use your credit cards. Don't use cash use commonsense people. Don't be a fucking idiot. Okay Anyway. you went grocery shopping. Yesterday was very very stressful. And and I'm over here and my grandma side of town which is a nicer side of town and people. I feel like people are acting crazier in nicer. Places the town because these why people are acting like nothing can affect them because I see it all across the board man like I think from last week to this week. People are a little bit more mindful but if my sister says she works at a big pharmacy company and she's like the wagon on fire and people don't give a fog and there's like lines on the floor. Nobody's respecting down. And that's what that's crazy when when you see again your elders not giving when you know bitch. I'm doing this for you because if I get this shed. It's bad but if you get this shit is really bad. It's it's infuriating. The only thing you can do is protect yourself and protect others said man but I know exactly what you're talking about. Yes they stay in the house if he can take walks. You know it's it's great. It's great just stay away from people right now and hopefully this will be under control soon. Because you know again i. I don't need to say all this shit. You've all heard if you're on the Internet you've all heard it like if we had a different administration right now. This would have been taken seriously weeks ago and we could already be like in a in a safer space. But we're not. We're very capitalist country. We'll have to keep making money about Blah and they don't give a fuck about us so this is definitely like people are really showing their asses right now and it's it's really sad it's really depressing and I just wanted to tell everybody. It's okay not to be as productive right now. Because I see a lot of people posting on social media like all these things and you know like okay time no reorganize my house. No if you just WANNA fuck in being dark room and watch tiger king and E do that. That's fine and please. I'm not doing fucking instagram challenge. Stop sending me those fucking instagram challenges. I haven't done a push up since one thousand nine hundred seven and then for all you people taking shots like alcoholism is real bitch. I'm not trying to take shots when I'm by myself during a pandemic stop. Sending meals fucking challenges. Thank you so much okay. Well with that said. Why did you go to the grocery stores? What have you been eating while the last thing that I made was before I went to the Grocery Store. I was so stressed out yesterday after the store that I didn't even eat anything. I literally just like disinfected all the groceries. I left everything that's like nonperishable in the garage and I just like was like I'm just GonNa go to sleep. This is crazy anyway. So before that you know who was ready for this pandemic. My grandma was ready because I literally have been shopping for a month and there was enough food for me for a whole month without going shopping at my grandma's house a rose color. Seco- chiller circle. There was guess. Oh in the freezer. There was meat in the freezer vegan meal. Of course like chief has dried milk. Like for what I don't know and you better believe that her garage was fully stocked with toilet paper. Toilet paper looks like it's older than me but she has a lot of toilet paper in the garage. She had a secret stash of peanut butter. You know my grandma wasn't radd the so last week. Actually I made a big crock pot of beans and pork. So I made pork and beans. And I've been eating. I had been eating those for basically the whole week and They're really good. They were delicious and I also made some There was potatoes and got him Issa Guy so I made like you saw those and Carnesecca. There was not lower so ritchie liberal. I Have Sheila now so I can make it now. Vegan you know of course of course is when I make sure I mean you know. Northern Mexico specializes in Vegan. So but that's like my favorite. You know when you get. The diced potatoes actually made it on. Instagram live with. We did a little cooking show last week Shot to ever from the colors radio. She's been my my Corentin Queen. We've been talking every day and doing a little fun things like that so I cut up a bunch of potatoes. Kinda like just sauteed with onion because I had a little bit of onion laughed at. Put some spices on there and then she had castle Ranchero in the freezer. So I put that in and with it got an asset guy. Mix it altogether. It was delicious so I have stuff like I ran out of eggs to saw normally I would crack a couple eggs on top of their and make it a scramble. That's really good to Cairo. Saudi them in some places. Yeah for sure how about you? What are you what have you been eating so I am in a house? With four people maybe five people We are in California So we've been here for almost two weeks and that's all we do. We eat and when we eat. We talk about where we're gonNA next and so forth and so forth and I hadn't really cooked because I tried to transfer my class online was a task and I was like. Oh it's easy record videos and now it actually took all of my time last week but I figured out I can imagine and So I didn't cook. Finally I was like you know what This people and by these people I mean my husband's family like the family has been cooking a lot and I haven't done shit. It's my turn and you know I went to my Queen Mighty dividers and I saw video of Takasu. Data Analysis. Like fucking. This is going to be this shit. And Lemme tell you how she did it and that's exactly how I did it. He wasn't mathematical level. Could just thinking about so. She takes last cheap. I has a lot of Giza those so we may not be salvo charon. Better the con- non-charter on congealing. Where and then I may be the chiller because the US ground meat with potatoes. And I made Red Silencer this scratch community me swagger and then. I made being roughly does I made Baba and then Kissel and then you not an oil and you fry it. Just lightly they ds for it to be a little Like not a little hard but not too much and then after that you dip that the yeah that was just fried in South Africa. And then you feel it with the different DESALVO's and we had five desalvo so we made little pouches with Portillo menial like packages of five little tacos. And then you put him in again you put him in the packages and then you add them to love operator yucky Melissa and we stack this shit up covered for an hour and then way Latakia Down Komo deandre you put us. Outta there on top with pickled onions and my husband did page. I ate so much I couldn't sleep. I had heartburn for fucking hours and hours and hours that I did not care because he was so so so good and I also got ready for Michael's hitters which I talked about in in the podcast before but one tackles every fucking day. So that's what I've been eating. Just tug goes off Lucas Himachal. Rather Bologna the Sava. The look look at beans and so I've been eating a lot and maybe four days ago I started to feel it. I was like man I have done nothing but work in need working need so I went out for a walk I one for The fifteen minute walk and then I started going again with exercise because I was feeling in man I was starting to get in a bad mood and I'm just like I can't do this. I can do this all do looking eating but now that I finally have my shed together with my classes now. I have a little bit more time to actually do what I like. Which is right my own scholarship and Exercise so it's been okay but last week was was a little bit crazy but eating eating eating man eating and eating. And that's it yes. Well you know food. It comforts a lot of people baby and we need comfort right now. Right so keep eating America others. Forget those come who said that scene theatrical while Jessica while yes it was just an interview Jessica Wild One time. He's he's like I see Latinos who lunch porchet. Komo'S I I love Jessica Wild. Oh my God okay. So let's get to it. Let's get to the listener letters. We have a lot of them. And I WANNA get through as many as we can So we're going to take a little break and then we'll be right back deep. Sh Yo lethal diga me. I want to take this moment to thank our patron. Familia if you don't know you probably should know already. Latinos who is on Patriots were also on pay POW. But if you want to donate on patriotic you can be part of our Patriots family. There's different levels. We have our AMIGA level for just a dollar a month. You get a shout out on the show. We have our our commodity level for three dollars. you get a shout out and also get access for an episode every month and finally you get a you get a bonus episode and then our mother deny level not only get a bonus episode. 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Wwl I love you and don't always agree with what you're saying but I love that you're saying it because it gives me an opportunity to argue in the car when I'm by myself driving down the highway saying girl I wanNA bring your attention to a new millennial media all right. I think I've seen have you seen that? Beverly Toe the millennial let that. Yeah okay so if you want you can google it and she says I always cringe when a negative Thala Valley until Katrina and Ella Patches show up. They reinforced negative stereotypes. That is always white. The botch is always holding a bow and Arrow reinforcing the savage violent way they perceive indigenous. People don't get me started with what's wrong with the negative though look up black stereotypes and is always a white man and Verragio is clearly brown. There is a lot wrong with level for me. It is a childhood favourite at it brings me brings my family together but simply because it's traditional doesn't mean it isn't problematic and shouldn't be called out We are the generation that will address what everyone else wants to sweep under the rug. I don't know if game is it though. Maybe something that actually addresses the problems and not just another substitute for what's wrong in the first place in my opinion okay emoji with the Brown hand Smiley face woman with a bomb haircut with Brown skinned Emoji. Please let please. Let's talk about this. Also my sincerest apologies for this ridiculous new game. On behalf of millennials. We are a young and stupid but we still get it but we still get it right. Somedays thanks Blanca. Are we really the generation that is going to address all this bullshit? I don't know but I'm glad you're addressing it and lucky for you if you actually go into our episode one thirty seven. We address all of this shed and shut out to Cynthia Neri Lewis. Who was our guest? Who wrote her thesis on Landlord area and long colonial history of Custos? She actually was teaching abroad and she got stuck there for a while. But she's back home safe in California shout using We love you but yes they help romantic and we get into it in that episode. Yes please listen to the episode just to touch on it a little bit now while we have people listening though It's something that I think about a lot. Especially recently I think for years. I just saw that you know. I saw it as a family tradition. That I didn't think anything of IT BUT RIGHT. Yeah the more you look into it. The more fucked up. It is doesn't mean we stopped playing it. Yeah why not? It's not that hard to find other games. That's that's like the biggest thing I remember teaching once Class on modernism. And I was about to talk about well. Done and guidance is French artists. Who went to French Polynesia in the early twentieth century and he was horrible and I said I don't want to give this for the benefit of the doubt so I'm just going to tell you that he was horrible and somebody raise your hand and they're like oh but he's colors are so beautiful. I'm like I'm sure there are other artists. Who's scholars are beautiful? Like fuck like we can divorce ourselves from this shed just because it's the cannon doesn't mean that we have to follow it all the fucking time you know. Get the fugger guess. Who Else painted really beautiful paintings? Hitler Bitch and George Bush George Bush. Oh my God. His paintings are really beautiful. But guess what they're awful people and guess what? I'm not going to buy there are. This is the thing. This is a great opportunity to talk about this. Like Oh my God Michael Jackson but he but he wrote thriller R Kelly. Are you kidding me? I still believe I can fly like guess what Mimi. There's so many other artists that you could be supporting. That's when when people tell me like what you're just gonNA throw all your bill cosby records away because I used to be a big bill cosby fan right and I said Yeah. I'm just GonNa do that because there's so many other comedians that I can support that weren't drugging women and assaulting them right so you're going to not watch every movie Harvey Weinstein produced. Guess what if I do that? There's thousands of other movies that I can still watch bid. It's not that hard right. And yes if you start. This is my favorite thing to do if you google. Somebody's name like a celebrity or a director. Something you know or influence or whatever and the word racist next to it. You better believe that shit is going to pop up right once you find that you can't unlearn that so either you're being willfully ignorant and hey sometimes. I've been known to do that. That's fine you just ignore things and you just keep watching them because you love them so much and and that's okay but don't come over here preaching that year though woke assed of the woke and that you're you never fucking sleep and urine insomniac because social justice and Brown you know I can go on and on and on but yeah. It's something that we have to juggle in our heads but guess what ever since I saw that R Kelly documentary. Guess who. I haven't listened to guess. Who's on Fucking Mute? Him and Michael Jackson. I don't give a fuck about them and that's okay. Sam would look that he actually last year. My cousin made looked at Charlotte. My cousin Gabby she. She actually printed a new law that he out with all of our families faces on it. Cool really fun so we're already In my family playing a new version that he had that we made ourselves. It's really easy. You could just put do a brady bunch of grade on a fucking computer and put people's pictures on it and print them out like it's really. It's really easy to do. So that's that's that's that's perfect like if you're going to keep engaging with this shed like use it as an opportunity to talk about these things and we've gotten letters in the past there like will listeners are asking how do they start a conversation. You know how to start a conversation about race gender and class in the dinner table. I mean this is an opportunity for that so there are ways to address it. But it's also God. There's so much out there when when. I'm thinking about music. I always think of what a friend of mine told me. Years ago he said. I don't listen to anything. That is coming right now. Because we won't realize what the goods shed is until twenty years from now when people are going back to the archives and reviving shed the nobody cared about and realized that. That was the real stuff. That was the real influential stuff. It's always happened. We live maybe not twenty years before now but we live in the cyclical times that every ten years we rediscover in real life and we actually value things that we didn't before because he wasn't considered Canon so when it comes to movies when it comes to influencers when it comes to music sweat ten years and you realize that they are not that essential. There's other people on their need them. That are doing way more interesting things. And that goes with everything that is right on the surface and there were always consuming so we can live without a Lereah but if you do yes use it as an excuse to have this important conversations. Wonderful Wonderful Okay next. This is how a letter from Willie And it's called finding community as Biracial Hispanic here. We go again. I don't know what makes me laugh. My racial identity is both wide And Puerto Rican. Okay and my complexion is rather pell. I'm cafe CON Leche. Meanwhile isn't that nationality. Okay never mind go ahead. I'm definitely I y passing Hispanic though not quite TV. Talion like five and J. growing up. I spend more time with my Hispanic family than I did with my wife family so being around other Latin x people in cultural always feels like home to me wherever I am however I have trouble fitting in with other Latin people because I am quote unquote too white or too or not Hispanic enough. My fluency in Spanish also isn't a strong guests. My family deliberately didn't to me because they didn't want me to know this shed they were up to so I didn't learn it and two classes in high school in Colorado Rude. I can hold the conversation and understand bed. I steal really slow even growing up my Puerto Rican family. Tease me about how wide I was even though they wear that much. Tanner than me or whole family is passing. But I digress. I left home ten years ago and have moved several times since I really miss the Community. I had when I was younger. And one to find the next community to be part of because there's something very fundamental about Hawaii 'em that my wife rinsed. Just don't get. How would you recommend other bi? Racial Hispanics go about finding communities in a manner that is both respectful and genuine. Lots of love. Willie thank you willy for your letter. Samadi how did you find community? I know men. Sometimes when you're Latino and this is who you are you are my problem with this type of emails. Men Is that we're so stuck up with the color of the skin in only the color of man right. That's what I was. That's what I was getting like. Kinda cringe Moments with with this idea also like Hispanic by racial. That's also I don't know like to think of identity in that way it's limiting it's limiting. It's limiting yeah yet limited to our communities and the problem is that we've been raised in this country and they're standing race in that binary system because the binary fucking real in the United States in that sheds affects a lot of people most specifically black people. But again as you know the when it comes to talking about race in Latin America and we've said this so many fucking times it's so fucking complicated And it's in color is just one aspect I mean. Of course it is important because it affects a lot of people it is just one aspect of how your identity is. You know it's disgusting. It's manages performed so for all those people that do not consider Latino enough because you're too wide fuck thumb. You know. That's the places where you shouldn't be looking for a community the is Gonna. I mean it's just GonNa it's just gonNA come. I don't I don't know I. I don't think there's a formula of how to behave and how to perform your identity in order to find larger communities. I will say start with your family like You will be surprised that type of things and the type of communities and we always have to talk about communities in plural. Because everybody's like oh. My community is number. It's there's a lot of different communities a lot of different perspectives in a letter for ways of understanding the world and you will be surprised to find out how your family's involvement in different communities really is part of their identity so I will say start looking there. That's good advice babs. Wow you really surprised me on that one. I was GonNa say let me that has cancelled bitch so I don't know why you're trying to be Latino. So hard council last year actually thinks all the White Latinos cancelled letting me laugh for everybody. Shout out to America and who was the other. Gina Rodriguez all you. You get a get a get a blood test and hopefully you'll have a little bit of Korean black because that's the new thing right now so I just go to black. I'm pretty sure you're black. You know what that is cancelled. Just be Asian. It's really hot right now. Okay next question. Hector says guest showcase showcase shows those my wife Karla and I listen to your podcast and love it. We're always looking for other content and coming through your library for oldies but goodies. We have been looking for and still have not found any evidence on the origin story of Beverly does famous and unique opening line of part in the spelling K. K. Show K. Hyphen show. I apologize if you have already covered this but my wife and I have appropriated it in our greeting to each other and are friends. That is so sweet we just. We always wonder what it means. We love it and we love you guys. Keep up the great work. Best Regards Karla e Ecuador. We discuss it but I think he was one of the very early episodes. It's just a way that my sister and her friends greeted each other in in quite is they actually had a friend. Her name is awareness because he was speaking of way Latinos but whereas only lived. I mean he lived in his house but on all other league so he he actually cell he watching these weed out of his window. So you will have to. He said he get ahead of me now. Mass documents what else it's else. You will say everything three times and and I always think of them so I remember like as as a kid watching my sister a teenager show because show in other words the cool this fucking people back then you know. So when he came down to finding like a agreeing for the podcast you adopted Rupaul and I was like oh I'm GonNa say show but it's I'm going to say it three times one because of a wet US rest in peace and also because of your because of Rupaul. So that's what it is. I I actually adopted it from Lisa. Kudrow from the comeback but because Rupaul is a colonizer and I don't want him to be any more part of my life than already is thank you. Do you know the drama with Rupaul. Right now Yeah I mean my Haynick wintom. He has all this land in Montana or something Wyoming. I don't know one of those states shadow taller listeners. Out There Sariano states and I think it's Wyoming you know. He's like Hot Australian husband. He has a out there and they they like. Go out there to like fucking a barn play cowboy so he has all this land and he sold the mineral rights to his land in their fracking. On on Mama. I'm done I'm complete on. You've been done based on your give him the benefit. I love the SNL skits like I watch them in rewatch them but now this is fucking growth. He sold his mineral rights. Do you know fracking is? Yeah what is it? It's to get minerals out of the land from like Colosseum Michelman data lists like like pressured the gases out of the land. Okay so you don't know what seaway Google look US drilling and sometimes they use explosives and start blowing up land to extract minerals and then they use a shit ton of water To like to to like wash everything away and expose the land. It's really fucked up. There's a lot of that going on in northern Nevada so yeah and So rupaul is okay with that And so you know we always knew. He was a capitalist. But you know he's really he's really going all the way Back to the question. Shoka show out just to be clear. It's geared like the word what gay Q. U. E. and then show like show like TV. Show so I guess show like what's happening. That's what keeps Shoka. Shoka SHOW MEANS OKAY QUESTION. Madaka this is from Magda titled Checking Bucks All Fiv. Allow ALEX. My name is Mac. Donald Twenty three year old mom to a biracial baby. Who is this biracial episode baby? Who is a Mexican Italian Commodity Kavi? Abc's episode all the Aleph Garden when you're at US House. Your family is OK okay. I was listening to episode of one list to take stuff yet. You were talking about the use of the term Latino versus Hispanic. I heard a comment about how in the Fifties Lennox people had to identify as white. Well look us in the year of two thousand eighteen when signing up to work for my local school district. I got a firsthand of the same. Oppressive experience also conflicted as a mom of a BI racial child. I want her to be proud of all aspects of her identity. The fact that in two thousand eighteen this is still happening is mind blowing. My question to you too. Is you think this is a problem of the antiquated system or lack of representation for context. I live in Washington state as liberal as it gets when she must grassy us for the laughs and mentally expanding conversations. Keep IT UP. Gardenia Martha and I see a picture of of the the Racial Code that you supposed to fill and it says I for American Indian Asian for black African American that will you occasion P for native American in the bottom. It says Hispanics should enter race code E for Hawaiian or Pacific. Islander Hispanics should enter race code which most closely represents the individual shape. Shifter's what do you think? Well I'm white so I usually put white yeah that's it This is actually very interesting. Because I've been now that we have I have all my job's got cancelled through summertime. So I have a lot of time on my hands now. I've been able to go back on twitter and actually like twitter more than instagram. Now because girl. Instagram is just becoming facebook to electric Google Lunar. And it's really annoying And so I take a break from instagram and I go on twitter and there was somebody talking on their about the census and how important it is to fill it out and but also for for all you. The message was directed to all those Chicanos out there who feel very tied to the land and think of themselves as indigenous people. You're not a native American if you're connell. I'm so sorry to tell you that. And it's actually Another way of colonization. Don't identify as Alaskan native or American Indian If you know that your family is from Latin America and I understand the border crossed us. We didn't cross the border. And some you got you know like but be real people. It's like all these white people like. Yeah I got a little Cherokee in me like okay. We get it but This but but then again. Then what do you pick right because none of these? None of this code describes how I feel I identify. What would you pick over little? You know what in this case we have to go with the system because if we make it personal we are not gonna be accounted for right. So yeah I I you just have to go with what you what you think. It's going to give more visibility to your community as much as it makes us uncomfortable to say we're white or would this or that like you've got to do what we gotta do. Man You know. And it's just it's just incredible that there's not a Latino or Hispanic box still right. Why do you think that is? I don't know because advertisers as are just catching up to that trend. Remember like one of the things I remember I think. Yeah but this is a this is a government document but see whip it or they run along because this is how this fucking government. It's all about consumption. So this whole like this things in the government. Run along with what you see advertising. Because they're part of the same fucking system so lat next and Latino is just becoming in the last couple of years and it's not going to be an official thing yet so I don't think I don't know what the boxes are for the new census. I haven't figured that out yet but I will not be surprised if it's not present. Yeah please everybody. I know that a lot of you already know this. But the census doesn't they don't need people's names they're just counting people and trying to provide services to people so it is important I know that a lot of undocumented people are afraid to to be honest on the census because hello survival and people are crazy so eh. I understand that that you don't want you. Put Your family in danger but If if we actually this affects so many things because The census is important also because of the antiquated Bullshit Electoral College and the system that we have in this town but it actually does affect the amount of representatives per state. And so if we're not counting the people that even undocumented people those people are still being represented by somebody based on how many people live in an area so it could switch the numbers of delegates per state. If there's if that shifts do you know what I'm talking about? Does that make sense? Yeah that totally makes sense. And it's it is an antiquated system and we talked about and this is why it's so important and I know you almost swindle more like broken record but like this is why our conversations on the colonial period and the CASTA system are so important. I always show those paintings and I told them there's they were like about two hundred different customers that you could belong to in the colonial period but then you look at the Census and it's the same thing there's so many fucking categories so this shed hasn't changed but again at the end of the day you know like big brother needs to know who we are and sometimes visibility as we mentioned is important when it comes to the way that we are representing government is definitely important. So I'm sorry Mimi. Take your feelings away from it in your own personal struggles with identity and you just gotTa do what you gotTa do Alleluia. I'm in glut. Has In your okay. We're GONNA take a little break and we'll be right back did sh- all right. 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I don't know why the Spanish accent just makes me like gives me like look. Okay thank you again to all of our commodities again. This is Wonderful Help we love you. We can wait to show you. What's coming get asked about those on Patriots? Yeah we'RE GONNA shout out the rest of our people on the next episode. So if you didn't hear your name they're still more episodes this month. Baby deleted deep Sh. And we're back back back back back again. Okay let your next. And this is a long wound actually. Let's wrap this shit up Bro. Okay do you have any recommendations yes I do so in. Just one just one. I'm going to just. This is a recommendation. This is an artist recommended in the podcast before. I think he was on our top albums on the first time we did rather lawn chair this new album by Nicolas Jaar Nicolas Jaar is a DJ slash producers slash musician from Chile. And He. He he did this whole retrospective thing before everything that is happening and he came out with. It's a very dark audible. I'M NOT GONNA lie and I know These are not necessarily the time to listen to that. But it's also very introspective. He is `electronic a lot of ambient music and as I mentioned before Last year I was talking about. Hi How much. I've been listening to a lot of ambient music that allows me to concentrate and this new album titled Sadness just came out a couple of A week or so two weeks ago so again listen to Nicolas Jaar last year. He's album he's album sirens. We were all about. It will listen to it. In Two thousand sixteen. Were all about it in. This new album is not as poppy. It's a lot more introspective. It's allow more dark ambient music but I think If you have the time right now sit down and commodities five. Go into a dark corner like this is the perfect moment for it again. Nicolas Jaar album said NASA's get into it lager. What about you well? Yeah I've I've been actually not listening to as many podcasts. I usually do because I have been. I have had time to actually sit down and watch. Tv and watch net flicks which has been very interesting. I did end up watching. All of hinted fide Because I was talking to might and she wanted to talk about it on her show With me Yeah it's very interesting to see that after watching visa you know and like right I don't know it's a formula now. It's a formula which is really weird sake. There's Latinos there's other Latinos in California that aren't in Boyle Heights people right There was a lot of touching episodes. So I know that. A lot of people Maybe watch the first episode ahead defied and we're like Oh this is bullshit. I'm not GonNa Watch this but I do recommend to episodes from it. It's episode seven in episode eight. I think are very powerful and beautiful So you can watch it. You get it from the context of. Who's WHO and what. The relationships are but Specifically the Brown love episode is very beautiful. So if you want to if you want a nice cry I do recommend that and yeah. I've just been catching up on all my old favorite. Podcasts like C. Y. C. That go. Laura's Nobel Queens. They're like a group of therapists or mental health professionals out of Sacramento. They're really awesome. So yeah just old recommendations and like I said I will keep updating my podcast wrecks on Latinos who lunch DOT COM and. I know that you just started a new project of Alito that hopefully you will share on our website as well. Yes I I. We've been working on some videos on the history of medicine and art history through Youtube They take they're taking a long time. Just because we're doing everything and resources and time and money everything but what I decided to do is because I now am obligated to teach online and the resources that are available for us to teach I wasn't familiar with them. And I didn't like them. And to assume that everybody was GONNA do zoom meetings with me every morning. Every time we have class was just impossible because people's wife's Is Different. People don't have all the equipment and to assume that everybody has a great computer in. Gray Wifi is just fucked up so what I decided to do is to start uploading the videos to our new youtube channel so I am uploading two classes per week. This week was pedal next week. We're going to finish with pedal and then we're going to go into the eighteenth century. I believe there's a whole Class owned Kosta so the stuff that we talked about here in the Parkas in a much more Professional I mean as professionals can be a fucking professor Way I am talking about it in this episode so the name of the channel is unsettling jer niece. And again I am. I am posting my own land classes from. Uic for everybody to listen again. Hashtag The colonize and I don't like that word but I don't have another one decolonized knowledge and hopefully by the summer we will have other videos. That are not just me talking about My classes had my power point. So get in them. I am I be working really hard on them. And I'm actually very proud of the result. And how they look and how they sound so if you have any suggestions or questions you know you live your comments right there and I'm excited because it's kind of like we've been thinking and talking about these youtube channel for a long time. It's almost like this is the first step towards getting where we want to get so again unsettling journeys and thank you. Everybody who are ready subscribed up S off this morning. So yes. Yeah if you click on whatever APP you're using I'm GONNA put the link in the show notes on the description so you can click directly to that youtube channel and above Alito. You could do me the favor and update the website. Maybe put it in your profile. Like in your about Bava lethal yes and also to link to link right there yes also need to update my book lists because in the episode of would Sunday Ordinary Shutout to send it. Rodriguez talked a couple of books. Sandy yes oh Oh yes. And we talked about a couple of books that that inspire her process and their books that I use in my classes one specifically by the animal I will add those books to my list and the website and also a link to the unsettling journeys YouTube channel. So thank you for reminding me about that. It's so wild how small the art world is. I was talking to a curator. What am I. What am I good friends now? And she's like. Oh my God you know Sandy. Rodriguez and like yeah. I love her work. She was just the Latino so it was so wild. It's such a small world. Y'All it's so cool I hopefully we get to work together soon. That'd be so awesome. That will be fantastic. She had no idea that I was just in Favila artist which was hilarious. She takes me. She takes me a couple of days. She goes de Judo. I'm like yes I did. You guys not only do I say dumb shit on a podcast every week but I also make our by my art please by our police as I don't have any more jobs for the rest of the year a laughing but really. I'm crying inside. I have a show up in Vegas actually right now that not many people saw because of what's happening and it's at this place called site projects and so if you go on test site projects dot com. You can see my work. And and if you want you can buy print They'll frame everything for you. I made a lot of prince based on banana leaves from when I make Myla's with my Guatemala and family and their you beautiful. They're actually on their. It's Alluminio Aluminum foil mounted on paper. And then they screen printed banana leaves on them which they just look chef's kiss and then I did some other spoofs of of of prints and Donald Judd prints. That are pretty. I think they're really funny But those are more for art people you know but you know you gotta make that money honey you gotta you gotTa Okay decolonize the Canon. My right okay. Let's end this all right as always you could find us at Latinos who lunch dot com. Please send your letters to ask. L. W. L. Pod at gmail.com. I'm GonNa say it again. Ask L. WWL pod at gmail.com and we might read them on a future episode. Send US fun questions. Two guys maybe not about I'M GONNA I'M NOT GONNA go to dope all right. I'm sorry I'm so sorry. I'm trying to be more positive. I'm trying to be more positive. Okay Yeah and if you WANNA leave us a voice memo recorded on your phone and email to us I would love to hear your voices on the show to. I'll play the if the if the questions are good. I'll put him on the put him on the show Again if you want to support us you can send US money directly through our pay pal or your patriotic links are on our website Latinos who lunch dot com slash. 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Episode 25: Do They Wanna F*ck It?
"Yeah i walked in the bill and frankie pop culture i AM frank and with me as always is bill how excited for this action packed part two of this two part arc that we're doing right into two part arc which means we got you know who back with us mr johnny beaver they do johnny good as everybody knows i by myself on your podcast just so i could talk about the man delorean so i'm super excited that we're we're getting to it just to recap you know previously on johnny had his ass absolutely handed handed to him in our star wars game show i was in luke skywalker he was jack porcupines red seven this so have you have you have you looked your wounds in in comeback ready to talk amend laurie and johnny i was a little out of sorts but i- shaking it off and i'm ready to go all right well we get long winded in this one again so strap in folks hope you dig it let's start the show okay so fresh off my victory in the battle of the oven great shot kids that was one in a million ryan that that transitions nicely into our next topic which is not just the premiere of the first ever live action star wars television series as the mandatory but also a larger discussion on the launch of disney plus which has been sort of all in engulfed the world i don't where would you guys like the star do we want to talk about mando i do you wanna talk about disney plus in general i let's let's start with mando okay yes so as far as i'm concerned is sort of exactly what i want i mean there's a there's some nuance we can get into but this is exactly what i want from almost exactly what i want from star wars stuff now it's got a real you can feel the connection to the star wars universe but it's completely its own story and and more than that it's just the production value on this thing is off the charts and i thought the first episode was i mean i watched the whole season one sitting if i could before i get any more specifics what were you guys have you guys both watched the pilot i've watched both episodes i've also so watched both one and two so i don't wanna be super hyperbolic but this is the future of star wars to me i don't see how this kind of the trilogy that's ending ending in december i don't really see the characters from that launching another trilogy i think that this is this is where star wars has gone you know we when i was in podcast last time we talked about what we wanna see from star wars that you know i was kind of out on the stock of the skywalker saga after this last movie and i was interested in exploring these nooks and crannies of this universe that lucas created and this is exactly what that is this is you know delving dowling into the history of star wars obviously i don't know that much about all the books in crannies a star wars is we saw from their quiz show just did but you know that there are so so many little callback to other things whether it's the holiday special or you know these really obscure references john fabbro abro the the the creator show runner he's just a huge star wars fan and he's huge original star wars fan i think that's why for those of us who are series for those love this for forty years this is this is where you this is what we're looking right i understand that the the new trilogy is meant to appeal to a broader audience than people who are really love star wars since late seventies but this to me is for those people the people that have loved this forever and i think that's who favelas making it for and that's why i find it so much so i think think it does the little things really really well like for example huge each pop for the original stormtrooper outfits g. eleven in it not too much and you know of course this isn't a small thing but the you know the end of the first episode showed the biggest thing i like about it is you've got characters that if this were the prequels would be in one hundred percents CGI yeah and they've gone back to they've gone back to awkward masks and costumes in i love every fucking second of it nick nolte's character in particular exactly i i it's super enjoyable you know mando is he's a bad ass but he's got a conscience which is interesting because we've never seen amanda laurean as such yeah it's i loved it i absolutely loved it i was really surprised at the second episode was only like thirty three minutes i love the audacity of the second episode i mean like they're not concerned earned with having this thing fast paced like that whole episode was just essentially him getting little iota to his ship that's it that's the plot of the second episode there's two people in the cast of the second episode that's the other thing you know you can tell they're going to tell a story maybe one story they're not gonna jump all over the place and try to get all their shit in and it's going to be a cobbled mess like yeah this is you can tell now listen maybe we'll be wrong by the time we get episode ten but you can tell this is going to be a standalone story there there it's slow paste it's like yes a whole thirty minutes on him getting from point eight point this is georgia conceived star wars in nineteen seventy seven he he called it a space western now it really got away from that this is a space western this is like this is a clint eastwood movie with is the delorean that's what i really wanted to the mo the thing i want to talk about the most you know obviously you can there's a lot of this yoda's kid isn't a clone of yoda richest does race it's the it's the star wars missile and it's and it's one that lucas delivers very deliberate about not revealing he was always is willing to fill in all the all the the background of all the stuff which is why you can have these you know the quiz shows and things like that about things that everybody else would be sort of say that's a thing who that was a thing but but with iota they've never done any of that you know and obviously that's the biggest link besides the mandatory and armor to the you know the main series by to me i know fabric has said he really wanted to go back to the first tap of a new hope and that was kind of the look and feel that he was going for with this show and the inspiration he was taking but there's a lot of other inspiration here he's obviously fan of westerns as you know he directed space cowboys or not space cowboy cowboy we've made you know he's obviously a big fan of westerns mando is very clearly clearly based on the man with no name so he's definitely a fan of sergio sergio leone spaghetti westerns but you know i think the thing i like nick i like the most about it was and i don't want this is gonna come off as a potshot against a neutral gene it kind of is but he's not perfect right he getting up on the sand crawlers indiana jones tracking down nazi chasing down the nut the nazis with the with the ark of the covenant right like it's hard work he gets his ass kicked act now he gets his he gets his ass kicked at the end of the second episode to and that's kind of again going back the original trilogy right like i love that han runs after after the couple of stormtroopers and comes running back when the whole platoon of stormtroopers coming after him because hans not perfect either right that's the and lucas too short to be a stormtrooper you know those are the things that i don't think we get from ray in particular the neutral gee that i liked about this was this character is kinda fallible and he's he's we don't know a lot about him i don't like that they're not not having pedro pascal take the mask off either one of those decisions where i always scratches my i always scratch my head like do they really think the audience doesn't understand like empathize is this character is because he wearing a mass he's interesting he's a character that we that we still think is pretty cool wanna wanna follow after him so i'm just really on board the vibe i got from this and i'm sure these are not things that fabbro is thinking about what he's making it but the two shows that i felt like this spelt the most like or firefly and justify and because they're both westerns and firefly is also very very much takes its origins from from star wars wedin said that the ships around ease very much based on the millennium falcon and now is clearly a han solo type character and even some of the plot beats with the fact that the second the second episode felt like an episode of of firefly yeah did did you know what's amazing is like and the the score to this show is so western and so not star wars yeah i think john williams at all i think they started with again with like a sergio leone with what's the name of that guy rico something the the guy riegler rica started with trying to emulate that and then sort of added the orchestral stuff in that made it sound a little more star wars this a lot of drums and a lot of like don don mike mike it's it's very it's very not operatic like john williams's bill and i are big western fans frank i'm not sure how you feel uh-huh about westerns but you know this is very clearly is this is a show that has lobs western driving and you have like basically your standard western saloon seen in the in the very the beginning of the first episode and the end of the first episode is kind of your bolivian army standoff from the from butch cassidy and the sundance kid so this is a very very western influence show i've seen some people saying that the point that it's too much but i don't know honestly to modern audiences are that familiar with western tells the fuck off yeah and how familiar modern audiences would western tropes anyway like honestly i don't know unless you're you know a dad that will you know what i think i do think that the west the modern western has sort of made a little bit of a comeback in the last four five years not only because i'm more in tune with because of where i work now but justified was a big hit yellowstone is a big hit right now and a good show too yeah there's there's more of a place for them there was maybe ten years ago but at the risk of being all positive i do want to kind of be that guy a little bit i'm going to need like john you seem very comfortable with this being its own standalone thing in the star wars universe but having no connection to anything frank using equally as comfortable i don't hold on hold on before you go there yet let me just clarify and i think johnny's gonna agree i'm okay with with it having no connection to the skywalker saga i would like to see have a connection to other things things in the star wars canon in universe that we know about their that's the thing like there aren't that many like ninety percent of the star wars canon is the skywalker however saga but i think i mean i just wanting the placement of it in the timeline that it's five years after return of the jedi as seven seven okay but you know so they're filling in the nooks and crannies here i keep saying that phrase but around you know we could see that the werner on her character ends up being the person that found the first order right or that you know because clearly you have these imperial stormtroopers that they don't know who to answer to now the empire has fallen and we know that eventually they become the first order right so they could be developing that kind of thing whether they were not is not necessarily something i need from this show but that doesn't mean it's not his that's where we differ that's where we differ 'cause that is something that's something i want to happen i do wanna see we don't necessarily need it to like find its place in the skywalker saga i don't need that at all but i do i would like to see like if the first order sort sort of came together on the outskirts of the galaxy then i wanna see that if i'm not opposed to isn't a little a little baby a iota that's a fucking janai enough yet yes it is they need to keep that up like and we'll see where that goes like it's an it's a great hook put it that way it's a really great hook it's a great way to easily identifiable thing for anybody who's is watched any star wars ever which is great it's also a toy our kids have got christmas time to see whether we go with it like or my love i love that there's all these questions like who is worn her he's i guess you know it seems like he's an imperial remnant what what is his interest in the yoda young ling i'm for lack of a better term does he want to cause he was okay with it being dead or alive so what are they want it for they want to rip open study it do they want to figure out why this racist four sensitive do they want all that get all that stuff is really interesting but they have to it has to like they they have to keep it up like he's only two episodes not gonna judge anything also i'm not sure if anybody caught it but it certainly appears like boba fett was in the first episode yeah that possible symbol in the background when he goes into the best gar armory thing i i did that guy has armor that startling we similar to you you can you explain to me what was going on that scene i've i'm confused like he got paid with this with looked like the equivalent of you know swiss silver with the empire mark on it they melt it down and they made a shoulder pad for him like i don't i'm confused list so they don't explain it so you should be confused like unless you're star wars nerd like star wars nerd like i am so the empire entire laid siege demand allure and one of the key exports of mandal or is this the the metal that had a mandatory and armours made out of is stores version of vibration him or adamantine lightbulb them right that's like the chief mineral unmanned lor and then when the empire took it over they took all their metal and made their own credits with it that's why she said like it's great for this to be back in the tribe but like i love that fabric does that comments she made she's like did you get your your signal yet or something dinner what did she but i what i love though is that favre was like i'm content not to explain this my go look it up go figure it out i love when people trust the audience to be smart be able to figure it stop or ask questions they don't need everything like there wasn't some mandatory in that wandered internet scene and gave a big exposition dump like i love that yeah i mean this is the first ten minutes of the second episode were basically having john wadsworth talked right i mean that's that's yeah it's a they're very willing to you know to let this unfold obviously knowing you have eight episodes and pretty much guaranteed second season minimum helps with that so i mean that's that that'll help i mean obviously we have this this story line of mando and he no he's an orphan he may not actually be eh mandal laureate right he may an orange from somewhere else that was adopted by mandel orients and you know there's i know that like the the the canon clone wars rebels have explored some of the background of mandatory and you know that i'm not as as an no i'm the i may have dizzy plus may actually go watch it though you should the clone wars is fucking spectacular i know it does a lot of character development with obi wan to which is all considered answer canada which will be important for the gross shows both animated shows the first seasons of both are a little rough but then they they both kick into high gear there are still many there are still many side characters that are awesome in the clone wars cartoon that i would just absolutely kill to see see some some time live action and i think the guy is so qatar being number one i think the guy that directed the first episode was a as an animator on stuff enclave fabric did vocal work for clone wars so there's obviously a connection there and i'm sure that they'll be that elements from that are going to be important in this show and would be helpful but i don't think it's necessary to watch this show in order to know you know but i again i mean i think we could you know there's a lot of this background and stuff in it that we could definitely i'm not gonna know all this stuff i know there's already plenty of articles and websites out there that are going to pick through every every single little kernel of you know the this callback this thing that thing you know but i think more broadly going back to what you said bill there's there's a difference between when i say the skywalker saga and like what i want them to get away from and star wars right and that's what's that in i don't want to speak for anybody else but my favorite character on sola right who is yes he's part of the skywalker saga because he's luke's best friend but it's not in those parts are the parts that i think are lacking in this new trilogy are the characters like han solo po is probably the closest thing we have that and this show to me is like one that's exploring more characters that are not integrally involved in you know things about the forest and jet is a stuff like that it's more about this universe and they know this galaxy far far away and all the outer systems and things like that that are in this galaxy and the characters visit inhabited and that's like we're really interested in is less so you know what's happening with ray what's happening with what's happening with with the jet with reno bring back the jet is what's happening with the politics of the new republic and things like that and more about just there's cool shit and galaxy that we can definitely explore and if it's really i just the other thing is i want to be to keep hammering on the neutral here kathleen kennedy is not kevin foggy and the reality is i don't think think that she is frankly capable of connecting the show to the movies to future children with ryan johnson to the trilogy that never happened with with watson ben affleck i don't know that honestly she can she has the capacity to connect these things were in charge of this whole operation maybe he would be able to bring this altogether gather but i don't think we're going to see anything from this show certainly come up in you know in the in the movie that's coming out of december and surprise prize frankly given brian johnson's disregard for what came before in the last jedi that he's going to bring it is neutral either no but i do think that this what i would like the series to do i would certainly like to see some of the various characters that are in the clone on wars perhaps there's a great opportunity to bring them into this year i mean if grain admiral thron shows up in this series he's like i'm not gonna hate it who is who would hate that or or if a so catano like they still haven't they're still not really any clarity on what happened to her shoka shoka so yeah anagram with ron last we saw was sort of sent to the outer rim to search for something by palpitation and that's why he's not in the the mains skywalker movies so there there could be a place there you know fab was super cagey when they asked him about that kind of stuff which which is good i got my antenna up so i mean i do think i agree with john like i don't need check ins on the major i don't i don't need them to try to connect this story to ray or poe or anybody i also agree about with john's ons point about the characterization that your point about ray is well taken although i would argue that kylo ren is pretty flawed po and say on and finally john is saying is for example like when when mando's trying to learn to ride the blurb or whatever it's called like he's getting on on it he's getting thrown off it takes him a little while learn how to ride it it's not like finn in rose who just jump on the back of those fucking horse things and immediately know how fucking ride them perfectly or fins able to jump on top of a you know an i an ad s. t. and you know surf it out of the fucking you know line of fire without stumbling or anything so i mean that that's kind of what i took from john said no and that's what i took from a to i'm just saying for fin ray are good examples to prove to make that point kylo ren and podins marin are good examples of churches they have done a better job with yeah and i don't wanna to put you in the position of having to defend a trilogy that you know obviously is very divisive and but i but has his moments of enjoyment i think you know i think force awakens his frankly i think the negative reaction by a lot of the hardcore fans who last jedi has bled into force wake when wiggins somewhat unfairly and i think we're going to see more of a return to form in in the in the in the last movie now that i'm jay jay emerson back on board so i don't wanna play addition to i oh i do think that you know obviously you know there's all this is a very delicate topic and there's a lot of people that will very negatively to any kind of criticism of ray in in particular at this point very touchy about any implication that she may or may not be a mary sue so you definitely want to stay away from those kinds of things but you you know i think it's the it's the feel of the show that they went back to kind of the western vibe which by the way was also lacking luke's prequels so it's not like it was just slacking in the new movies you know it really it's the we all i think that the fans that are like the three of us just really want to go back to the original trojan particularly the first movies and i think that this this so far has the feel of those more than any of the product they put out and it's also why honestly i like i think rogue guan is probably my favorite of the movies come out under the disney regime and i and why i'm not even saying ashamed to say that i enjoyed solo even though it didn't take that much money because i think that that movie also had i enjoyed solo at more of the feel of like these more fun western things rogue lawn is without question the best star wars in every sense we're trying to the janai and it might be it might be better that's that's that's you i don't i think gun to my head i i would say no but you can have the like that is a fantastic movement that does seven samurai accepted guan yeah and i mean again that's because it's got a lot of the western teams seems that right it's very it's a magnificent seven which is based on seven samurai it's also got a little dirty dozen so it's it's it's a great it's a great movie and it also oh i think even like the the costumes and things in it just felt like old star wars right you know i think they'd gareth edwards really got the the production design i and the feel of it and wanted it to feel more like a new hope in the end the original trilogy i think what i'm most concerned about is because of dry and ryan johnson and the extremely polarized reaction and how negative people are on the skywalker saga that that to me doesn't mean everything has to be like the mandola ran like i'm very very excited for the obi-wan-kenobi mini series to come out i'm very very excited for the cash and or mini series that's gonna come out on disney plus because i thought he was really great character everybody's shit on for no reason so i mean i'm just saying not everything has to focus cash you know he's run diego luna oh why don't we shouldn't people should on him yeah he was like super hated especially when rogue one came out of i think he's appreciated with time 'cause he's another one where i feel like that's a character that they went to great lengths to sort of not making perfect like he didn't he didn't know which way he was going to go in that movie and they're doing this series of him in k. two SO which is allen traffic for disney plus all i'm saying is that as great as this is it doesn't mean there aren't pockets of things we've already seen that will be fun to explore yet it's intriguing that they're really clearly mining at least for the television television series this time in this gap in between return of the jedi enforce wakened yeah you know there's the which i think is smart you know no i think it's a it's a smart way to go as far as this is it's interesting to see it's politics and things like that but it's interesting to see what happens the the empire collapses in how do we get to the point where we went from a new republic to basically the first order becoming the new empire those are interesting things to to explore i i wouldn't want it to be explored the way they exported in the prequel trilogy but but i think it's it it's something that i'm i find fascinating so if it's if it's done well and right now i trust jon favreau and honestly not that i thought the lion king remake was all that good but it was somebody i think we can trust in general because i think he loves star wars and you know oh i think that he loves star wars in the way we want the people behind this love star wars i agree and you know and the kanobi mini series is going to be interesting because that's going to take place between episodes three and four which is sort of like a time period that they've kind of covered already so i mean it's got it's got the potential to be not good but i love you mcgregor and i love obi wan kanobi so i mean i'm okay with with them going back and using those legendary characters i i just i don't think everything needs to be a complete departure i guess is what i'm saying yeah i agree i mean i think that you know certainly i think of anyone coming out of the prequel trilogy the person who came out the best mcgregor and i don't think that really there's a lot of negativity negativity around him getting to go back dig into this character and i also you know i think we made this joke in the last time i was also like no one really thought that will be one was was just sitting around on tattooing waiting for luke to grow up enough to be a jet i right i mean there's clearly something happened there and it's a character everybody's fascinated by and it's an actor actor does have you know he's an actor the people like regardless of the box office of dr sleep and you know it's a character that you know i think star i phantom is is ready to see more of agree totally so the question then okay so john you started out this whole segment by saying this is the future of star wars this is this is where you wanna see star wars go so in your opinion both guys wear the star wars go oh theatrically after rises skywalker i mean i think well i gotta be honest i'm super concerned concerned that it's in the hands of johnson i being the the prick that he's turned out to be i really think he's going to double down down on what he did with the last jedi i wanna see i mean i think everybody liked the the real marks arcs wanna see knights of the old republic you know that's what i'd like to do like what i'd like to do is go back in go back like before before you citius before all that shit way the way back in in in in learn about well you know maybe you know the tribes of the south are in just learn a little bit about the night so the the knights of the republican can explore that deatrich li i mean to me you know with where we are with shows like you know the witcher and game of thrones and in options like that out there i think he could put a really relevant star wars trilogy out there if that's where you went and you did it well unfortunately i mean i take with ryan johnson do it's it's gonna be a super politically correct you know politically charged trilogy with all kinds of you know hidden messages suggestion meanings not so hidden maybe in i'm i'm afraid that's gonna blow it down just like the last jedi well i i mean the good thing i mean i don't think you're gonna i don't think you're going to get twenty minutes of the man delorean walking from point a. to point b. no but the good thing that's happened in the last gear so is it certainly seems like both the star wars people kathleen kennedy in company and ryan johnson have sort of it's not been as firm on whether he's actually going to do something or not and they and they've already cut being off in weiss loose so i don't it's certainly seemed like the disney guy i said after rise skywalker star wars theatrically is going on a high eight us which is as much as i love star wars it's probably a good idea for them to completely regroup figure out what story they wanna tell and then figure figure out who's best to tell it if they're gonna do nights of the old republic which i think they should there are certainly a million characters that are now noncanonical that are led that are the legends group that they should use their i mean because there are some of those books are just fantastic and i would love to see them come to life i don't fake ryan johnson's the guy to do that so and i think i think that they'll realize i don't think ryan johnson wants to do that i don't think he wants to do nights meal republic so that's the way they want to go they should figure out who's best suited to tell that story i think wait a couple of things here right so one is DND were apparently you going to explore how the jedi order was founded so they were going back even further but they were looking at more of the history of this galaxy that's now al gone so we won't see that i have a feeling that you know nothing is obviously come out the ryen johnson is going to be more interested in how he ended the last jedi right which is this kid with force powers and you know this kind of the hope that even you know having thing just few rebels left inspires this galaxy and i don't i don't think he's going to be bringing back and frankly i don't think it seemed like daisy ridley in particular he's just not interested in doing this after the third movie but you know you never know money talks although i think john boyega would jump at it i think john would jump at it you know i think oscar isaac is he doesn't need it but that doesn't mean he won't do it these early seems like out of everybody he certainly seems like he's having a lot of fun he does seem like he enjoys it but i mean clearly to me even going back to force awakens in abrahams the idea was not that this is the end right this is just the transition between between the between return of the jedi and a new cast of characters to take this series moving forward i kind of don't think that's going to happen at this point you know i think that whatever intentions j.j abrams had an kathleen kennedy had at the time are now not the case and i you know i wanna keep hammering on her but i don't trust her so i don't think the kathleen kennedy frankly is qualified to to be the the kevin feige of this universe and i'm very happy to cabinet by coming over makers on star wars movie because i do trust is where i wanted to go where like where does see now aw if kevin wants to make build republican sign me up i mean kevin baggy wants to make anything sign me up where i'm at the point now where i implicitly trust him you know to make pretty much anything right and that you know he's earned it and he's earned box office wise he's earned it with the quality of the marble vilis even the ones that you know don't make nick the huge amount of bank are frankly ones i think people secretly really love like ant man and stuff like that everybody's super excited that is going to be an through even though they don't make the same box offices we know say a you know an IRA movie or something like that so you know what i'm i'm interested to see what can five he wants to do in this university of his his plate is very full at this point you know with taking over full creative control over all of marvel now you know what that really means for him as far as how much time he has to put into everything is gonna be interesting question as well and how much he has to delegate and the people that the ends of delegating wanting those things to we'll hire a great director i mean that's for sure and be somebody out of left field it'll be somebody that you know you're you're gonna be scratching your head of the the time of saying like these guys only directed episodes of community is not going to be very good at this and they're gonna end up being excellent because that's how that's how he rolls you know so i obviously i'm watch more excited for the kevin five movie than i am for a ryan johnson getting another shot there's that being said you know ryan johnson has made some very good movies and i have a feeling is out is going to be good as well i really want and clearly there is a very big divide on latch at i write a lot of people especially a lot of people who i think to be blunt hardcore star wars fans thought latch at i was somewhere between fine fine and fantastic and i have a feeling that those people are not necessarily people especially people who think is fantastic that i necessarily want to have a conversation with by because we probably disagree on a lot of things but you know it's not like he's in he also directed a couple of great episodes of breaking bad the guy knows what he's doing he's not competent you know i think he i think he certainly has as frank alluded to a very specific political agenda that he he laced i into the last jedi i must have people's dismay but you know and i i wouldn't i don't think that's gonna go away although it might depend on how the twenty twenty election goes does so you know but i think there's a lot of avenues to go here i think bob iger has also seen the writing on the wall with kathleen kennedy a little bit you know you can't have the kind of disastrous creative track record that she's had of basically having to bring in another director to redirect indirect portions of rogue one and unloading lord miller and then the failure of solo at the box office regardless of what we feel about the quality of that movie you know oh and then having to know the firing to other directors and having to kind of almost seemingly beg JJ come back and make this third movie you know there's has been a lot of very on founded or not as unsubstantiated rumors about abrahams not really having the time to make aac this movie because he wasn't prepared to make that there's been a lot of last minute adjustments have being have having to be made with you know with the third movie because because he had to scramble to get this done i'm sure that's why he's coming over making movie because eiger sees people handling his his two biggest IP's and he sees the one that he can trust right and you know i think there will i think we're going to a banger kevin flaggy at at minimum and you know maybe the ryen johnson movies unburdened with kind of having to deal with what abrams had set up and fan expectations will actually be fantastic so back to disney plus overall what are what are your guys feelings on the app myself i absolutely elite like there's so much content on there i'm in love with i came home friday night after a very long stressful week at work and just laid on the couch for two hours and watch tailspin and was incomplete like heaven so guys overall felix i mean this is oh you mean sorry this is the apotheosis of bob eiger tenure at disney right acquiring all this IP purchasing pixar purchasing marvel purchasing star wars allowed this app to launch with a level of content in addition to the disney involved and then the purchase of fox that no other app is going to be able to launch it's very telling you know within the within twelve days of each other other you know that that the apple TV one launch to frankly shrugs and now obviously apple's not in the same business and i think that a lot of these shows are really more or so they can put giant pictures of jennifer reese witherspoon in apple stores than they are to actually sell an app but you know the acquisition of all this IT key is what allowed this app to be so successful right is that we really people are excited because there's a lotta shit they wanna watch i shared my password with my brother other in his wife and my sister-in-law is super excited because she gets to sit the kiddos down and have the entire disney hall their enemies stop there which is now i'm i'm a huge fan of the incredible and the blackhawks i'm really happy that since we can't get a black hole videocassette anywhere that i get to see the blackhawks fan on this app but the video cassette period anywhere also true but that's the only way you can get the black culture and so you know i'm excited i get to see that but i'm more worksite obviously for having all the MC movies in one place and having you know an have arm yeah well mo- most of them in one place with the exception of black panther author and war and and they be guardians to an ant man to most of them in one place right but you know that it's really is as close to a kind of a four quadrant launch as you can get right with the having this much content that appeals of this many different people bowl and it's just it's it's a resounding success i mean ten million subscribers in two days so bill what so you well first of all i agree with john i mean besides take my interests out of it like in just a couple of days that we've had it in my daughter who's seven has sat there with the remote and explored there's so much for her to watch like between all the disney shows that are on there are like going back as far as lizzie mcguire that's so raven hannah montana and all that stuff she's gonna have stuff to entertain our forever the and then john said you add these like is even steven on the starring sheila booth yeah and the and the suite life zack cody like if there's all kinds of stuff on there and but what i like best about a two is like the layout of the app is spectacular like it's it's it's such an easy app to navigate they put their top IP's right in your face as soon as you open the thing up and yet the i just we're not gonna see like no matter what streaming services come out like when the HBO one i feel like will will make an impact when it comes out there the HBO max or whatever it is especially if they launched the friends reunion which that made some news this week but no no one is no one can come close to what disney has with this app i mean you can be on this thing twenty four hours a day every day you you won't get to the end of it like it's it's it is really staggering and it's unreal i feel like net flicks and they gotta oughta be concerned about you frank as the disney had kind of interested in your take as well yeah i mean this is something that would interest you guys we'll will you know one bit but one of the things that's on there that i'm like gaga over is the the show about the imagineering you know a whole season documentary series about building the parks yeah i'd be interested in that i mean that's not view yeah yeah but that's like porn for me as you about set your jerk off oh my god like i mean next to man the laurie and that's the thing i'm most excited about having women on there in the guy didn't even think about like all the disney afternoon cartoons that i used to watch every day when i get home from school like them all in one place gummy bears ducktail tails chippendale rescue rangers goof troop tailspin like they're all right there it's awesome it's amazing condiments endless in you know no you johnny talked about johnny talk about you know buying all those IP's and buying that library but i mean you think about it even before they may they bought fox or whatever else they bought think of the size is of their fucking vault you know in for years for years they've played this game with their movies where they've released them for for six months and then pulling back into the volt for ten years and then release them for six months in pulling back into the volt for ten years now they're all there you know it's it's awesome for kids it's awesome for my kids you know yeah like francesca of course is gonna love love you know all the all the disney oh the the animated movies and all the pixar movies but then you've got i've got my like tweens liam and isabel who you know they're going to get lizzy mcguire in hannah montana and you know all those all those shows that started that that young that young tween live action show john nra in you know and and i get to masturbate to hillary duff again again it's right no it's awesome it's slick liquors hell looking it's beautiful and i gotta be honest like i was worried because in this is you know take it from me you know disney from from a disney parks perspective has struggled with their internet user interface for the last last ten years everything they've ever put out including their my disney experience app in my opinion is very hard to fucking navigate and not intuitive active i was really concerned about that yeah i was not i however this thing is is your right bill this thing is slick it is sharp it's it's you open it in it just it's immersive you know you feel like you're in a disney app you i feel like you've entered this world in i mean the content you know it goes without saying is there's no where you're gonna find i mean thirty years of the simpsons yeah and i don't think about that in itself yeah not only that but signed up for the i mean i'm paying eleven seven bucks a month or twelve bucks a month and i'm getting disney plus hulu and ESPN plus all at once the i did the same thing it's it's so worth it used broad because to me obviously i'm very satisfied with it but the only big thing launched for me was really mando and then having access to is this content library i think a lot of the dialogue has been by adults talking about it has been sort of you got all this great content and you have and people are talking about mandatory but it's interesting to get your take frank because there is a lot of other stuff they launched with its new that's not just mando and it's not necessarily stuff that's targeted at the people who are going to talk about the difference between this app and that app and this IP kids sir my kids are super excited about the about the the the four key show from toy story toy story four that's on on there that live action lady in the trump that's on their daughter watched that last night was a good i don't know on whether but it's yeah i mean it it's it's really an it's really an app that the entire family can share you know i mean netflix had netflix had things the problem with netflix kids was deaf looks would have something that a kid wanted to watch and all of a sudden they'd be gone yeah you know and then they'd have the struggle then they'd put net flicks down for a couple of months and never go back to it and then they go back to it and they'd find something else and then that that would be gone this everything on there's not going anywhere yeah you know it's but i but you know this is just me talking like i'd like to see the more disney parks related stuff like i love this imagineering show i would like to see more stuff centered around the disney z. parks that's just me i know i know there's a lot of people out there that would like the same but they have the platform to do it now uh and yeah so just i'm excited i'm excited to dig into the thing and and just actually sit down and get some hours in and think about it think about what the conversation we just have less fifteen minutes we haven't talked about the eight marvel cinematic universe TV show coming to the right they haven't even hit yeah it's good enough now when does the window when when's that first one hit next year when it's a falcon winter soldiers i won like spring of twenty twenty one right so i thought it was i thought it was the i thought it was late twenty twenty was that one it might yeah you might be right but i mean it's so there's a lot of content yet to hit but again i think what you hit the nail on the head there frank is that you know netflix has been losing a lot of content because these the owners of this IP are no longer willing to sell it anymore they're bray they're collecting it back in i've certainly noticed that you know bringing back to my sister-in-law my brother their kids like they frankly before this app launch were actually dipping more into amazon prime than they were netflix made up of their kids because they just couldn't trust netflix to keep it all there and as netflix loses this IP which is why they've been launching so much new stuff you gotta remember what they originally were was they licensed other people's content and they added there and now they don't and we like a lot of that flick shows a lot of their new original content but they're gonna lose more and more of this they're not going to have access to allow these movies he's anymore as all these all these studios and all these companies roll it back in for their apps and no i think they're i think they're going to struggle on wanted to number two most watch things on netflix are i think it's office in friends in friends in the office and they're gonna lose both of them by twenty twenty one and that's a disaster for them but they just didn't they just paid a jillion dollars to get seinfeld i think they did they bought fought seinfeld it takes me all the way from hulu so that's the thing like netflix is going to be in a situation soon where it's all original oh content they're going to have to make original like but they have no they have no legacy of their own and the wrestling legacy is what brings people in right and really if you think about netflix original series content they haven't really had anything really land hard aside from the marvel shows which are not their's anymore stranger on stranger things stranger things and then i think you could make an argument for for a card house of cards sort of but that's like in the past dow and it's got such a stain on it now the people don't want to watch it i know orange orange is the new black with actually arch is the new black was actually there most-watched original show i i was not a fan of it but it was i guess fairly well regarded the one about suicide thirteen reasons why yes i mean they hadn't learned annette hard because i didn't watch it leads a pretty hard show as part of the national conversation true and i mean i think that you know getting going what you said frank frank like they've are already said you know anything about PG thirteen is gonna go to hulu it we're not gonna put it on disney plus so we're not gonna see deadpool you know we're not gonna see logan again which is a shame but but it's but it also keeps it friendly for the whole family right that means that there's nothing that francesca or my niece and nephew you can wade into jumble oppose going to be like do you guys agree with i mean do i agree that they should not be in one place i don't know no i don't agree with it no parental lock feature on it and that's that but i think there's no i agree but i i think there's arguments on both sides so what are the okay so what are they gonna do if dead pool is in you know deadpool three the MC you release that's not going to go to disney plus apparently not if it's gonna be rated r. which from what everything i understand they're assisting it's going to be rated r. you know i think it goes a little bit back to what franklin indiana jones movies well i think the PG thirteen the highest right now they're still net flex but i think PG thirteen is they created a PG thirteen eighteen rating for temple temple of doom particularly so i guess they technically could be on there there any jones rights are really weird because is there i think the old movies are still owned by paramount even though the right to make new movies now goes with disney didn't necessarily by the library the way that they were star wars so the indiana jones ones are kinda funky that's the same reason we'll never see the incredible hulk movies on disney plus right because and that's why we will not we're not gonna see a standalone hulk movie we because universal so as right a few first refusal on our on hawk i'll live without the incredible hulk movies on disney you know what the norton what it's not terrible i wouldn't mind revisiting that yeah i got it that's not what i would ever pull up on my own i would actually the first thing i watched besides mandel orient was was kathy america the first avenger and then after that i watched the rocketeer so is very happy joe johnson night take sides the first thing i did besides the mandatory and was watched the previously unreleased scenes from the original star wars trilogy i already told you what the first thing i watched was your loser guys so it's been a little while since done this i've got some the mom got some questions from listeners which you know we always love it's like one of my favorite things about doing this show is getting questions israel people that that actually listen to the show which is fun so i remain shocked at anyone listens so the first question comes from from our friends over at pineau comics the pinal comics podcast thoughts on CNN punks sort would've return by way of fox bill i think from a purely business standpoint standpoint rating standpoint buzzed standpoint it's great i mean w w w w needs all the help it can get and i know that punts deal is with fox he made it very clear excruciatingly clear his deal is not with WWE's with fox but it's a foot in the door for arguably the most polarizing sports entertainment talent there is and the only guy i feel like that could show go up somewhere and legitimately move the needle who's a free agent so i mean that's good if he's allowed to shoot on things which i'm hoping since his deals with fox then backstage stage will be actually a a show that i kinda watch right now prec among i don't wanna watch it at all because booker t. makes me want to kill myself like literally makes me want to kill myself else so i don't i won't watch it but if he's going to be on their given his honest opinion about WWE how do you not want to hear that is do you think it's i mean i think it's a huge step it's definitely a huge step and i mean definitely tune in next week to backstage in i'm guessing all like a lot of people to be the the first time i tune in because i heard that there's like forty thousand people to watch it will the for the premier was like forty eight thousand people watched it which is like like incredibly like it's hard to be that bad but jumped to like half a million with the second episode and then the third one jumped even further that was pre punk so i mean they got their feet under them a little bit i think people just honestly honestly didn't even know it was coming on the first week but it's i mean i watched a couple minutes of the first one it's not good it's not a good show oh i don't care i don't need your talk for an hour i'm excited about it i think i i i know you probably don't agree with me bill but i think it's a first step towards pumpkin and up back in the ring i really do if there's any step towards going back in the ring this when i would certainly say that someone who has come in and out on WWE ally light and who is probably too big phases of really being into WWE adult like a bag of the hoagies the late eighties and early nineties but were you know the attitude era and see cray you know that's i think it moves a needle for fans that maybe our lapsed i think i think this is a foot in the door i would certainly not be surprised at all to find punk wrestling intermittently you know unlike brock leser kind of a deal within over the next two years probably opens the door for his wife to also come back i honestly i think is UFC cruise over i think he's kind of bored you know i think he wants i think this is i obviously am bill you can speak a little more too but you know he said some pretty nasty things on his way out the door and not just about vince and hunter has been one who's been the kind of guy that's brought the people who were really dissatisfied it's five with vince back in but he he pretty much burn that bridge with hunters well but that being said i think you know money talks for WWE as well and don't they'll get over it if it means he'll wrestle again if if it brings in the box for them and brings in the is the eyeballs and there's a question of him getting over them getting over over look jeff jarrett works backstage for WWE right now like vince will forgive anybody if it makes sense are that's right so and and honestly sleep for puck who has got to be sitting there like i'm sure he has money i'm sure he's done fine but yeah i think he's a little bored and also he's gotta know with a w coming up right now how stale WWE is and how panicked WWE is to lock up all the talent in the world so it doesn't go to a w. it's his best chance to just rob them blind like so if he comes onto backstage does a good job get some buzz going if eventually works out a deal with WWE is going to fucking fleece them i mean he's gonna he's gonna get kind of deal whatever whatever he wants wants to do whatever you know i don't want to travel i don't wanna go there i don't wanna go to hear like he'll be able to do whatever he wants i mean bryan even has a little bit of that deal now he's he he's allowed to say i don't want to go to saudi arabia you know i think that punk is pretty much going to be able to set the terms he wants to set the workload he wants to set and frankly even probably the storylines he wants to set yeah he just wants to wrestle in chicago and they let them do that yup and they probably toy beliefs one thing would now be all one major event would always be in chicago until plunkett could decides to retire for good especially if if opening the door to him opens the door to AJ they could really use to like it's it's honestly a win win for both because it doesn't matter how much money punk tries to get from WWE like w is going to be fine they're not in that's the that's the thing that's so weird that me and frank talked about a couple of weeks ago is like you would think with how bad WWE it's like but it's not like nineteen ninety-six where like WCW had a legitimate shot to put w the out of business like WWE is not going anywhere they're fine like they have more money than they know what to do with so it's a win win for both if it happens it's all right our next question comes from the laughter life at laugh life albouy here we go he s he asked awesome so this is a two part question what are your thoughts on the rock entering the superhero film universe with black adam his second part this question is why did they kill kennedy in why have we stopped these practices okay i mean my thoughts on the on the black atom movie movie and i know you're taxing about this a little bit so i'll probably share something that i've already said to you guys is how does it fit how clearly a d. c. has thrown the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to and interconnected universe and you know they might allude to the fact that aquaman was part of the justice league or whatnot doc but they're not they're not going back to the snyder verse well i i don't see them framing the black got him character the way he's been framed since the late nineties and you know his kind of reintroduction with jay essay in the way that i'm geoff johns and james robinson wrote him you being the way that character is going to be in the movies because that doesn't fit with suzanne at all and the tone of the zamboni which i loved by black adam there's a very dark hair during the comics anti hero and i don't know that that the the you know this kind of benevolent a despot from north africa who with you know were there's like genocide involved in his origin and things like that it's something that's really going to go with the tone of the zachary levi if i brought to she's an that fits so i can't imagine it being a spin off or crossover zam unless they really you know change this from the source material pretty drastically that being said i love the rock he's about as close to a movie star is we have have you know so and i think he'll i think it'll be he's for the role i guess i mean and this has been kind kind of on the back burner for a long time and i was actually shocked that they that it went forward as far as who killed kennedy i'm pretty sure it was just aubrey oswald bill watts well i agree with john marrying these movie you see here's the thing is i agree with john that marrying these two movies is extremely difficult but i don't i don't understand how you cannot do it lectures and lack adam are so interconnected intertwined like everybody's gonna be expecting it i'm not sure like i think you've got to figure it out but if you look at the rocks post like he wrote a lengthy instagram post about how into the character he is and how it's sort of like a darker version of superman it certainly seems like that's how they're gonna play it like he doesn't want it to be you know kid friendly he wanted to be like the flawed anti hero type character but i mean i don't know how you don't like how do you make that movie and not not not at all refurbishes i don't know how they do that like that'd be that'd be very strange inch like i don't know how the i don't know how you make those two movies fit together i don't have the answers to that but making them completely separate is would strike strike me as very odd i love the rock i think he should be in every movie however i will say that i'm a little disappointed this is his entry into the superhero cinema world interesting i would like to see i would have liked to seen him in the MCI to be quite honest i think he is maybe the only person on the planet earth that could make play an interesting in an intriguing wonderman a. plus i just think the movies would be better and we'd see more of him i think i think there's a great chance that we get this one black atom movie and that's it you know and then would you do with the rock so i i don't know i mean it's not we've hi how you have i don't know how you have the black adam and i don't know how you live in a world where you have a black adam movie and you have a sham movie and they're not connected the next time i mean i i feel like you'll have to really really really go out of your way like i i feel like it will be hard to have them not aware of each other than it will be to have them aware of each other i certainly agree that you know even like the costume and everything is so similar to there so interconnected that it's but you know i the eh one thing i think going to your original point i don't clearly there have been actors that have been in both franchises so it's not as though this excludes the rock from being anything anything else the rock is also has cultivated a very kind of specific persona you know whether i think he's probably i'd like that for the most part in real life you know and he's not gonna do anything it's going to damage his brand is kind of the last vestige of the box office movie star of with a movie we'll be like this and make it dark and grim ingredient you know go against his sort of his what people expect from him so i don't think we're gonna see see something super-duper dark but i still think it's going to be very difficult to marry this up with with him and you know that's no slight on his aim at that movie movie was again very very enjoyable i had a lot of fun i re- wash it i had a lot of fun on but it's kids i mean it's a good kid and it's a a fun kid i it's it's a movie that when i was like eleven or twelve absolutely fucking gone batch it for and i still really enjoyed but it's a movie movie that works for adults who my brother watched it and there's a lot of fun i can't believe he didn't tell us a watch this earlier i'll say oh i need your wife was ending the superhero movies so you know so the way we worked and i i they're not going to damage that brand either i think by ups and they're going to be very careful about how they approach this whoa how it's so bill who killed kennedy i i mean i don't know but not least not not lee harvey oswald or not just lee harvey oswald insane he's apache to quota CD's either patsy several but like at this point i feel like it's ludicrous to think thank it was just him i think it was obviously winter soldier right call frank j barnes killed kennedy all right so next we have a question from w six seven six seven and bill he asks what got you guys into doing podcasts and can i have a grant aw that's funny i don't know what got us into doing podcast bill well from i know i chased you for a couple years well from my recollection it was like we would every once in a while we mostly communicate through text but like every once in a while we'd have a actual audio phone call and they'd end up being like like an hour and a half long about all kinds of different stupid stuff and at one point you were like we should just record these and then right at sort of at the same time in the last couple of years mostly i've really been podcasts almost matched TV and reading for me as in terms of like the forms of entertainment that i consume we have really gotten into it and it's also like thing we could do you know like writing a book as hard making a TV show is impossible but doing a podcast is possible so show so for me you know it's a couple of things i think it's definitely based in the fact fact that you know i really am i really love being what you would call a geek or a nerd right i just think opening yourself up to that it's just enjoy life so much more whether it's comic books wrestling movies television you you know just deep deep interest in anything having friends that are as passionate about the same things i am you know makes it even more fun in in part of it was you know bill you live all you know all the way down where you live and i live all the way up where i live so it was like a way to get us together for an hour and a half two hours a week in just talk and hear each other's voice you know in then we can do things like have johnny come on who's because one of the best you know i was on i was on the laugh life podcasts last week in you know some of the best night's ever those nights sitting around the table at johns short house in ocean city drinking beer in just talking about movies and comics in quoting movies and just acting like assholes all night til three four five in the morning and that's always what i envisioned this being whether or not anybody would ever listen to it in you know give a fuck doc about any of our opinions you know like we said in the first episode like we have no basis behind any of our opinions we don't have any right to like you you know voices opinions and talk about them with such finality that we do but you know our passions speaks for itself and the other part of it is i'm so fascinated with i've said this before but i'm so fascinated with the concept of where technology is today if you have the balls to put something out there people will find it it people will listen to it in in if it's good in if it's consistent and if it's if it's quality not absolute shit people will like it and they will come back they will support you and that's always fascinated me because back when i was trying to be a musician we didn't have anything like that at our disposal we didn't have facebook we didn't have i tunes we didn't in have any way to self publish or self publicize we had my space actually what we didn't even have my space we didn't have anything think we had message boards on other people's websites that's all we had and you know i really wanted to take advantage of it because we do have stuff to say and we do have opinions which i think are fun and i find myself in my friends entertaining and and i think we're i think we're relatable enough people at other people do and do too and you know it it it it's always made me a little mad you know being that like having an indie background that i have in things where you know the big big powerhouse companies in media outlets take advantage of this free media outlet to to further publicize their million dollar companies and their million dollar IP's and you know i really love this idea of you know an independent podcast movement and independent people putting content out there in being creative without anything behind them except their own blood sweat and tears so yeah i mean that's where i'm coming from with this whole thing that being said disney wants to buy our podcast than they can question wasn't for me but you know going off with both of you said you know as somebody who joined the podcast several times now i think i think the the democratization of criticism and the democratisation and kind of the john vacation of everything sometimes been looked at as the negative you know obviously my feelings on twitter and they're not always very positive but you know the the the echo chambers have been created about politics and things like that but there's also a lot of positives around it too right you know that oh we don't have water cooler shows that everybody talks about anymore and stuff like that but does that really matter does it you know i think it's fun to find find the corners of the internet where you can find the content that that you enjoy and the people that you know that that agree with you and that or not even necessarily agree with you i wanna talk about the things you wanna talk about wanna get geeky about the things you want to get geeky about is is is a is a great thing the internet has given us that i think has been unfairly l'ambassade because of some of the negatives that come along with that over the last few years you know i listen to podcasts all day i sit in front of an excel spreadsheet most of my day and it was in the podcast broadcasting what was your guys in the abbot bunch of other ones i listen to and i think there's i think it's great to have access to all the stuff into the that we don't have to to have just the select few people that decide that our taste makers anymore and that we we all get to do that now and you know some people aren't very good at it but that doesn't mean that that doesn't allow voice to be heard that weren't her previously yeah john i mean that's a great point so it's like that's another point is that where else can you get unfiltered uncensored media right that's you don't have to be politically correct you can say off color things you can you can use bad language you can be disgusting gusting you can be sexual you can you can voice your opinion without fear of censorship yeah sure there might be somebody out there that wants to be offended by everything everybody says and they might hear it and they might choose to block you on twitter whatever but it's unfiltered in yeah you can you can i wanna i wanna i don't wanna listen to what you know viacom komo radio is telling me i'm i should be listening to i wanna listen to a podcast about wrestling so i'm gonna go listen to a podcast about wrestling i don't wanna hear about whatever i want to hear about comic book so i'm going to listen to a podcast about comic books and you know just because somebody ready you know is broadcasting out of their fucking basement or their you know or or their office they're den doesn't mean they they don't have talent and they don't have something something to say and they can't put something out there that's enjoyable i i'm i remain to be completely blown away and in awe of the podcast medium ms all that being that's all both of you guys said is true i do i do wanna say though that even though i'm a part of this i think fan fantastic society is a problem that you know the flipside the double edged sword to everybody deep being able to have a voice now is that not everybody should have a voice yeah i mean the anonymity of the internet is not great and it lets people be their worst cells and and that's that's certainly not a benefit of what's come here and then by letting everybody be a critic i certainly agree with that but i don't know if it's necessarily maybe it's worse than only having slack few people really get their voices out there but i'm not sure you know that's a tough argument to to make but i don't but i i don't i don't know if i would do a podcast if i had a co host that agreed with everything i said right like i think one of the reasons i know i know what you're saying but what i'm saying i think why i enjoy one of the reasons i thought this would be a good idea to do is because you keep me like taking what you said and like you keep me in check right but i do listen to a lot of podcasts where everybody is on the is on the same page nobody disagrees with each other everybody's got the same agenda same thing they're they're all shooting from the same gun and but you know it's important to live in a world where where everything you say or hear isn't only what you agree with no right that i don't agree with like everybody has a voice so people can mount these trolling campaigns or they can spam rotten tomatoes to kill a movie's rating before it comes out or you know we've made it clear we don't like the last guy we have real problems with what ryan johnson did but some of the levels of toxicity he dealt with are ridiculous like and we don't like rose tico is a character but there's all these fucking people licking cheeto dust off their hands in their mom's basement that are sending death threats to kelly marie tran and that that's where it goes a little like sometimes i don't know of this culture is good or bad well nobody should be threatening anybody regardless of the medium right in no you're right like that's where it goes bad but i also don't think the people we'll sending death threats on twitter are ever going to have the balls enough to actually let somebody hear their voice on a podcast i i mean these are trolls that's trolls hide in the dark but there are plenty of those there are plenty of podcasts around that are that exists literally you just to like it's not a good natured conversation like me and you have it's like i don't listen to him because i don't want that now yeah and all i'm saying is that there's there's a flip side to everything and sometimes i'm like christ maybe this is maybe it's too easy to get your voice out there and i i agree with that i don't want to i want to open that can of worms and i certainly agree but i think on the other side right like you know we're talking about wrestling alive and that has been a industry that has had to you recognize what fans react to positively what they all and do it in central because of their bottom line or be because crowd really dictates a lot what happens i think there's a lot of other entertainment industries that don't have that direct interaction with their fandom and i'm sure that they wished that was still the case but that's not the case in the longer auger and yes there are a lot negatives that come out of that but i also think it's it's harder for people to just say like this is my art and i'm putting it out oh and i don't care what you think of it because you know what no one's going to buy it and then you're gonna be left with you'd left not making already more because no one's going to support it and i think that was a little bit of what scorsese it was getting at night and the way i said it in his comments but you know you don't get to dictate policy about what produce anymore marty you know the people spoken and they want certain things and they're not necessarily the studios that are just gonna flow the money for this stuff anymore you know and i think that's both a good and a bad thing and i think we've seen reactions to it from a lot of media outlets and songs negative some of his positive but i think it's really hard to just double triple quadruple down on saying like i'm making what i wanna make i don't care what you think or because you have to hear people think now all right so next question comes from frank thank o'brien at citizen cans can you talk about exactly how erect you are what got you there in how long you guys will be erect interesting is a good question how my question so on a scale of of flashes to purple i'd say on lake chubby and what got me their they're free balling it in sweatpants so whenever i move it just rubs up against the sweatpants and that's enough now how long will i be erect i mean who knows it's at at my age you know your account every minute senate bill i'm like whatever is below flaccid is what i am right now you're like inside uh-huh not a non on nothing going on that's nothing johnny young i'm pretty i'm pretty flaccid to you know before i jumped into this i was on i bills recommendation i was watching the what we do in the shadows TV show and it was it was very funny and very good but there was nothing to get particularly hard about unfortunately much cartoon dan before we do this stuff all right so that makes him happy listen i'm gonna jerk off when we're done so there you go so then we'll be there will be some erections later another another question from laugh life adam what what in pop culture has moved you emotionally the most a film a song seen lyric bill you i ever recently ever i mean that's it's probably different parts it's probably different for different phases of your life right right i don't know i mean that's i mean that's an impossible i cry at tender commercials so i mean that's that's a really hard question to answer i think it stuff because like i said i think it is different phases your life different things move you i mean there was a time in my life where nothing gene moved me as much as as listening to pearl jam the now i've now i'm like i'm on alexa pro and i'm kinda dead inside so i don't know that anything really new to me i johny recently offenders endgame historically the shawshank redemption is probably the movie that gets me still gets me the most emotional even on like five hundred viewing i can watch shawshank right now and i probably will get worked out by the end of the movie so into the shawshank probably all time shawshank would be at the vendors is the thing in pop culture that got me most recently come metoo builder's recently because it was such a long ordeal and i'll be honest like we spent a good amount of time talking about how outweigh are on the skywalker saga but why watch the the final trailer to that for the rise of skywalker when the music kicked in at the halfway point of that trailer like it hits you that that's this started the a year before i was born so bill would you say the biggest pop cultural impact on your life is are worse probably honestly impact on my personal life it's probably a tie between star wars and stephen king mind probably for talking about just like shaping the way i think about things in the way i think about pop culture will be star wars spiderman in buffy the vampire slayer i wasn't really sure that that was what we were that was what he was asking i thought it was more about what get motion emotional about but the way i think about and frame my thoughts and the things that i like those three things are probably within even the way i think about storytelling in general the characters i like and what i wanna see from storytelling comes from voices in two of my three of the same as john's i would take out spiderman and put in stephen game so bill yeah we got another one from our friend truth monkey oh no so i think this is going to be another one we gotta come back next week to two deep and johnny feel free to like right in your answer and we'll cover it next week so johnny i don't know if you've listened so we've got this truth monkey funky thirteen at monkey thirteen truth writes in pretty much every week with a very like soul searching question he we try to answer questions as thoroughly as possible thinking that it's the last question but he he keeps coming back and he's getting in in like i think he's got a little bit of an ego because this this time he's even given his answer which nobody uh-huh nobody has asked for truth monkey thirteen asks at the efi if he pop culture mix and match former actors in their roles for a new batman movie you must have batman gordon alfred in three supporting characters so would he's in he has his answer sir but i don't know if we should read his answer now read it read it okay so basically what he's saying is based on his answers take an actor in the role they play in mix them all together and make your own batman movie i get it okay so his answer says this is truth monkeys answer his unsolicited answer keaton as batman irons is alfred oldman is gordon gershom as the ridler yikes hearty is bain in hamel as CGI joker the answers all right okay so we'll come back next week and we'll we'll have ours in janis xy feel free to right in and we'll put out to all right so all right so what you know that once say thanks everybody for writing the questions so always fun it's like one of my favorite things that we do and with that i think we can take it to the go home all right guys we're going to wrap this one up want to give my my big big big big big big big big banks to johnny for coming on and spending the time with us that he did he put some hours in this time so thanks thanks a lot john it's always a pleasure you gotta buddy i'm always happy to be here and even invite myself to get here in bill will you were clairvoyant as always thank you so much of course of course of course it was always fun being able to out trivia john at something doesn't can happen that often so i'm going to savor the flavor and thanks to all the listeners for your questions and we hope you enjoyed his two part arc visit us at on twitter if you haven't already at e f e up culture won't in the less forgetting something bill i think that's it right it's all i got all right i'm fucking drain so i'm gonna cut this baby loose johnny thanks again we'll talk to you soon all right buddy thanks a lot thank you all right