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NLU Podcast, Episode 167: Ryder Cup Preview w/ Bones

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NLU Podcast, Episode 167: Ryder Cup Preview w/ Bones

"Feeder right club today. That's better than most. About. Better than most. Expecting thing. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the noling podcast. I'd never thought I'd live in a world where I could call Jim MCI AK bones, a three-time guest on this podcast, but he keeps saying, whenever you want me, I'll come back and I'm going to take you up on that every time bones, you count me and I've had a great time doing him, so let's fire away and do it. All right. We are here to, obviously this is recording this on Wednesday of torture ship week, wanted to catch bones before the torch championship. He's gonna be working obviously this week, but we want to talk about the upcoming Ryder Cup. He's going to be covering it and calling it on the golf channel and NBC next week. But this is the first Ryder Cup since I believe, ninety three that you won't be caddying caddying in, is it going to killing you? Not to be there as a caddy. It's it's a tough one to miss. I'm not gonna lie to you. I had a tough time the week of the masters this year, missing that out. And of course, this Cup. I I the first time in ninety five, but in ninety three at one over on my own nickel to watch because I always been fascinated by the event and fill in one a terminal couple of weeks before. So I had a couple of dollars and I just think it's the greatest sporting event I've ever witnessed. You know, considering what those guys are planned for in the factors, no money involved and whatnot. So it's tough to miss, but I'll be very, very happy and grateful to be inside the Roques and checking out from close working for NBC. What how much have you seen or what have you seen the most evolve over the years? How's the event changed since your first one and ninety five or even the one you saw ninety three two compared to what it is today? Wow, it's just become so big. When I won't over in ninety three just to watch, I was gonna be outside the ropes. And was there literally a matter of minutes earlier in the week and and they asked me to come inside the ropes and work for the team. So basically the best way for me to answer your question is now there's all these assistant captains in Sistan caddy captives if you will to to, you know, leave no stone unturned in terms of taking care of people take care of the players in the caddy's. There was none back in ninety three. So I ended up being a gopher if you will, for the team in this running errands all week long. And there was literally a situation in ninety three when the players were about to TI on Friday Davis Love and Tom KYW we're going to be the the first group out, and there was a two hour fog delay, and those guys were hanging out in the team room, just climbing the walls because they basically told them you, you've warmed up. Now we're gonna come in and grab you guys go straight to the t. when it's time to go alternately. So the players are in there just kind of wasting time. You know, just itching to get out there and Fred Couples was going through everybody's bag. The bags for neatly stacked against the wall. They're standing up and was going to everybody's bag looking at clubs and he went over to Davis Love's and was looking at one of his irons took out his nine hour waggled and the head fell off the shafts what ten bounce down this moral staircase. And we all happen to be standing there and we're everyone's just to gas. Everybody heard this thing bounce around saw what happened in. This man comes in the front door of the team room, said Mr.. Love Michika. You've got five minutes and we're gonna go t- off so Davis Love grabs this head of this and the shaft, and gives it to me and says, go get this fixed. So there I was the guy who just before had been over there just to kind of wash and taking this Ryder Cup. And I was running across these fields somewhere in northern England, looking for some guy with a trailer with a poxy on it, and this is not the air of trucks all over the Dakhli. No Tyler truck, no Calloway truck. No anything. It was literally some guy. Who had this homemade trailer was there just in case disaster happened? And we found the guy got the club repack he gave it to them. And later that week on Sunday Davis came to last hole to make par on the last hole to win the Ryder Cup at this amazing Dr hit assured on the grain in to put it to win the Ryder Cup and came over to me and said that was your nine iron. The green. So it was like, kinda my get welcomed the Ryder Cup moment in one of the greatest memories of all of that event. I've never heard that stories that when you keep holstered if you told that one before I felt it a couple of times somewhere, I guess going into going to ninety five. Then how long had you been on fills bag leading up to leading up to Oak Hill there? He's twenty five at the time and on this on this team, that's kind of a normal age, but he was he was a baby on that team in that era. He was, I'd started working for him halfway through the year ninety two. He came out in June of ninety two, and you could have made the argument that he could have potentially been a pick in ninety three, but the timing of it just didn't work out. So I just remember, you know, grinding away with him trying to q. late. It's many points as you could to try and make that team. There ninety five. He had a really good US open at Shinnecock which to some degree ice that deal. And then we got out there in ninety five and it was. It was just, you know. You're so jacked up excited and you know, as a caddy, you get this box in the mail with your clothes in it and your first Ryder Cup, rain suit. And I just can't tell you how excited I was and ninety five turn out to be very exciting Ryder Cup for a number of reasons. Do you have that all that gear kind of memorialize anywhere in your house or in the closet somewhere or anything like that? I absolutely do. That's that's the crazy thing about Kenny. For a guy that may twenty two straight teams is that you have Tony to rain suit somewhere in your house that drives you nuts, but that you'll never get rid of because they mean so much to you. That's awesome. So come in and he's twenty five years old. He goes three, no, in ninety. Five pairs up with Jay Haas in one of the matches. And he Corey pave was the first partner he ever had how what is kind of what was fills process like for finding partners by my counties had fifteen different partners over the year over the years. Has that process changed in the later part of his career? What's that? Like trying to match them up with somebody. He's always just been a put me out there coach when a point for you kinda guy. You know, he's certainly later in his career when he became more established one tournament of one majors, he would, you know, go to the coaches and say, hey, you know, this guy struggling or this guy lost a heartbreaker match the day before put me out with him, but early on, he just wanted to play and and on Friday of that particular Roddick ninety five of Friday morning, the first thing he did not play. And so we were sitting in the team room, you know, you know, hitting some balls getting ready to go Friday afternoon and you know a few few hours into these first matches. They on TV said, okay, well, here's the Friday afternoon, best ball parents and the parents came out and he, his name wasn't in that either. We're like, oh my gosh, we're not playing the entire day, and that's an extremely tough situation to be being turns out a mistake it'd been made and they'd posted the wrong names and they clarified that mistake gotta figure it out. And Phil did indeed play, but I'll never forget. We got. We went out there with Corey. Saveon and he hit it on the first hole at Oak Hill. They're in into fill missed, green shifted up their foot and Corey had forty feet for birdie there on that first hole and he hit this pot. And the putt was about ten feet from the hole and Corey turn his back the ball and subtle walk into the second and the fall when right in the middle. And I was like, oh my gosh, this is the greatest thing ever and they went on and won that match. And you reference plane with Jay Haas played with Jay Haas the next day and actually played against ballots Theros which was, you know, a just a an experience in and of itself to see sevi- kind of going through his whole kind of Ryder Cup thing. He wasn't playing very well, but was doing everything he could to affect the match. And it was just it was an amazing time. Corey pave, low key, got some pretty amazing tour sauce, and some moments he was. He was, he loved the the move of making a long putt, and then just walking off to the next hole and making somebody else get the ball out of the whole. I love that. So what it so ninety seven is the next one. The US loses in ninety five ninety seven. This is tiger's first year on the team Tigers than now the young guy at Valderrama. What was did that feel kind of in some way like a changing of the guard that take some of the pressure of some of the other guys having tiger there? What was that? Like having that guy introduced to that guy kind of team element? Well, it was also knew at that point. I mean, he obviously come on the on the scene late ninety six and you know, with a lot of fanfare, but you never know what's gonna happen. And of course he goes out there and dominates the masters and everyone's realizing, oh my gosh, this guy is more than for real. He is potentially the man. And you get into that team room and I remember, you know, everybody wanted to play with them and you know it was we feel really good after Louis Wright, a Cup that we lost ninety five. We should have one team at a two point legal in the last day playing in the states, you know, and some guys didn't play well on on Sunday and we lost. And so there you are ninety seven and you know you're up against sevi- battle sevi- pal, steroids coach team, if you will, and on a very, very tricky, not very American golf course. So with tiger in the fold, you know, we were all looking to to get back to, you know, some kind of team win and though it didn't happen it was it was very, very interesting to have him over there and spend time with him because you know, while you see each other at work, the other fifty one weeks of the year, you really, really get to know guys at team events. And you know everybody really liked him and and was fascinated by him. And you know it was, you know. Obviously the beginning of a long run of him playing team events. How has his demeanor in team rooms evolved over the last twenty or so years? From what I gather, it seems like he, I don't wanna put words in your mouth, but it seems like in the beginning of the process, beginning years, he was just the way he approached things was very much from an individual basis and from all all reports from twenty sixteen, he has fully embraced this kind of team in kind of captaincy role. Have you seen that kind of Lucien with tiger involved in team events over the last twenty years? Absolutely. I mean, there's no question and with good reason that early in his career, he was just out there too strong people as an individual and port of his MO. If you will was was just to kind of, you know, he was out there to to win and you wouldn't have you wouldn't in a millions, call him win at all cost guy, but he was out there. You know, he's just to beat people in the wind tournaments and more power. Till him and he did that. But to your point as as he got a little older, you know, as time goes by, he got more and more involved in the process of these team events. And then when they put this taskforce together after the two thousand fourteen route a Cup and Scotland that we lost so badly. I mean he was a huge, huge part of it. And Mike, some of my greatest memories are fond memories of all these cups that I've been lucky enough to do was how involved he got in two thousand and sixteen there on Hazeltine and and with, you know, basically, you know, like a co, head coach, if you will, with with Davis, Love, you know, they're, they're co, captain season sense and how investi was in call and guys and talking to guys. And and he was a big part of that last win. And I think it's great that he's he's where he is, and and I think he he's the captain of the next Presidents Cup team. He's all in and went Tigers all in FARs. Yup. It seems like I don't know. Kind of information you're privy to on this front, but I've heard I've heard things heard it mentioned that only two only expect tiger to play three total matches in the upcoming in the upcoming Ryder Cup one match each day. Do you have any in the inside on that? Or would that surprise you if that ended up being the case? Well, I think that it's easy to say that about guys that are picks. You know, I think that that that, you know, it would just be natural in essential say, okay, we'll these two, three, four guys or picks, and they're more likely to play less than guys that made the team appoints. But I also think on the other hand that if you get a team that stitch dominating, the things will change quickly. I mean, if you put, you know, let's say you put tiger into Shambo or tiger and read or whoever it turns out to be out there and they're, they're not only winning matches, but they're, they're beating people up so to speak. I think things will change in a hurry. I think there's always you're always gonna have this plans as you head in, but the bottom line when you get there as you want. To win and you wanna win as comfortably as you can take much pressure off the players as you can. So I could see that changing once you get there if some team steps up and really starts hammering guys, and it seemed like in the jumper too much between years, but on that on that topic in twenty twelve fill and Keegan, we're absolutely destroying guys the first three sessions and it seemed like Phil was insistent upon, listen, we are not playing Saturday afternoon. We are putting all of our energy into Saturday morning is in a very real thing that if you run a guy out there for the first four sessions that you'd have to be drained by the time, Sunday comes around well, you know, one of the things I wanna find out prior to this, this route a couple about to do on TV is is what guys records are on Sunday that have played the first four matches. I was told once that they don't tend to play as well in singles, but you also gotta remember that particular Ryder Cup there in two thousand twelve that you're referencing. It was maybe a year year and a half after Philip diagnosed. With Sewri attic arthritis, and and and he he was saying early in the week, I can't go all four no matter what the circumstances are and be affective there on Sunday. So he had let them know. But it's it a lot of it's got to do with, you know how you're feeling physically and whatnot, and certainly he and Keegan, were they one of the matches? They want Saturday morning, I seven and six. So they weren't out there a long time, but they had they had given Davis Love, plenty of heads up, I think still what they were thinking. And, and again, you've got to trust your body's telling you because as that wink turned out, you know, even with a four point lane, no latest safe in the Ryder Cup and you've got to have some energy, they're on Sunday. Yeah, just found that I find that interesting because I think it's a similar kind of question going into this one and that twenty twelve team was very deep. This twenty eighteen Ryder Cup team for the US also very deep. So it wouldn't surprise me if every player sat out at least one session, whereas the European side. They've got a very, very strong top eight or nine, and it wouldn't surprise me if you know Justin Rose and Rory and and maybe even Rahm and Fleetwood are out there going all all four team matches. Does that sound like something that would fit into a plan? If you're Ryder, Cup captain for each of those teams that sound like something that might be implemented? Absolutely. I mean, you're right, and ultimate gets down to who's who's playing well and how many of these guys are ultimately getting it done for you, but to your point, you know, looking at this, right? A Cup coming up. I mean, if you get Jon Rahm playing well and certainly Rory, you know, it's hard to imagine a less. They built some some incredible lead that those guys would sit out, but they're, you know, they're, they're young guys and you know they're, they're very healthy guys and, and you've got, you've got to ride the hot hand. I think in that case back into it was just a question of a guy who wasn't a feeling up to it as he otherwise would have been and. We wanted to do right by the team and be very upfront with coach. So I'm curious to get your take on this kind of was I've always viewed from a TV perspective in watching from afar that foursomes was the much more difficult format in that your players that are bit more streaky. You may be throw them in four ball and your guys that are more consistent and straighter hitters would be foursomes, but kind of click for me when I went in two thousand sixteen in watched foursomes how how play doesn't need. You don't need to be super exact foursomes. You just need to keep the ball on the planet, you know, per se. But in four-ball the it's actually I felt like it was more pressure because you have to pin your years back and have to make birdies do you is that is that kind of a fair thing to say about how captains approach who plays four ball and who plays forums? I think so, yeah. I certainly think that putting the ball in play off the tee is paramount in terms of the foursomes. And what we're learning about this course that that we're going to hear in in in Paris for this upcoming Ryder Cup, you know, it's apparently a layup course off the tee. If you will you hearing stories about Justin Thomas playing in the French Open earliest early this year, hitting seven drivers and four ounce. So you know to your point though, about maybe not having to be that exact you gotta keep in mind that in enforce them's, they're going to be as plenty of holes. One with par. And when you get to the four balls, obviously you better put the ball in play off the t to as you said and get the ball in the grain, and what's what's very important in four ball is to have to putts at it. If you continuously have to fifteen twenty footers or closer for birdie on these holes, you're putting a tremendous amount of pressure on the other team if they're not doing the same thing and ultimately you're going to make putts and where down. Yeah, no, I just found interesting. People are saying, you know you the only wanted to pay because. Because it seems like rookies don't play a lot in foursomes, but I think that's even a tougher ask to ask rookies to go out and play four ball and really be really beyond make a ton of birdies. Hello, friends own breys swale does the merge are here to tell you about the Callaway rogue five would the number one fairway wood and golf? Well, all right number was probably the road three would which is an absolute RPG off both the fairway and the t. but when I'm looking for more control into longer par threes and gettable par, the five would has been my go-to club, a high lazy ball flight that false softly from the sky Siamese up it certainly silence the chorus of losers that say it's lame or soft. The carry a five would, yeah, don't knock the five would and till you try to Callaway Roque. All right enough for me. Let's get back to storytime with bones smell you from from caddy perspective. So I'm curious, honestly have no. Idea what this is like from your first Radic up to now our caddies paid to be at the Ryder Cup to do players pay the caddy's does the PJ of America. I have no idea how that works. The the PGA of America gives you a little, you know, thank you stipend at the end of the week, and it's it's very nice them considering they're obviously picking up every dollar of any any potential expense that you might have. But the. But the truth is that caddies would pay ta- caddy in a Ryder Cup. And you know, I've said forever that you wish that all your friends that you carry with on the tour that love caddying that do it as as a serious job for number of years. You wish that every one of those guys or girls would have the opportunity cat in the rata because you know you swim over to Paris to to to do this or take a canoe or whatever the case may be. It's got nothing to do with the money. You're just as I said. So excited to get in that team room and get your rain suit, and to be a part. Of it, and it's just such an honor that the fact that PJ of America does give few bucks at the end of the week is just icing on the cake because it's just an honor to be there. What in that regard there was leading up into ninety nine. There was conversation around players being paid to play in the Ryder Cup, did the way that was portrayed in the media was that was that was that fair to the players? I felt like the players really got looked at as being greedy, the ones that actually said something about it and Ben Crenshaw of doubled down by by by not supporting the players that said anything, but from the inside. What was that kind of pay for play discussion? Really about. I on it might take on that was that was one guy think had that on his mind who who said it publicly or maybe tried to generate a little bit of momentum with the players in terms of bringing it up and. And I can't can't understand what what his point of view was. I mean, it's certainly the PGA America and the and the the European tour does very well as a result of owning this Radha and we all know what a huge event it is. But you know if they wanted to do, I think they give the players, you know if I'm not mistaken money to donate to their various charities and their foundations, and that's great, but it's to, you know, I remember when it went on it was very uncomfortable and I think you know, two or three people got associated with that movement that wanted nothing to do with it. And I think in my years, you know, being around that event, that was the the only guy that that's ever wanted to, you know, some kind of, you know, reimbursement if you will for playing in the event and that went away very quickly. Yeah, I think that that foundation money is how basically ended up being settled was that that the players were were able to contribute. Money to to Dacian that came from the PJ America, but I was always always curious just to you've been through so many eras with this Cup. I go on with a million different questions, believing up there to ninety nine. There was some take us there to fill it up. Playing his singles match against Yaro Sandelin take me through kind of what it what they're they had some some history together leading up to the event. What was that like and what was the animosity factor like leading up to that match? Wow. I think we get to Yama with some fun here. I made it like twenty minutes. So in ninety six, they used to have this tournament the old Dunhill Cup back in the eighties and nineties. It was phenomenal that that they have in the fall at Saint Andrews, where you'd get three players from from from certain countries and you go over there and you play against other other teams. If you will in, you know, whoever won two matches or what have you would advance, and it was just great kind of knockout competition and early and fills ninety six. He made the team. We went over to sit Andrews with Stricker and Marco Mira and play these matches. And it was just, you know, it's one thing to be seen Andrews. It's another thing that there that time of year it was kind of cold and fund and the US team was playing well, this is a time when strict was a bit of an unknown quantity, and you know, guys from other countries that know who he was and he was just crushing people over there and it was so much fun. It was just great week and and use guy. Yaro sand was playing for Sweden, and they were playing. They were playing South Africa in, I believe. The quarter finals and Phil and I were watching it from his hotel room. We'd already one or match early that day in the US advanced than we were gonna play. The winner of whoever won these matches and your most sandlin was playing in a in a playoff. I think he had tied Nick Price and they were playing playing it off on the first hole at Saint Andrews there to see who would win the match and your Mohmaed of pot and put his put the, the putter head up against his shoulder and kinda like shooting motion. And after he made his putt to beat Nick Price and shot at Nick Price. So to speak. And we were just sitting there just dumfounded as to what we will watch. And a lot of a lot of locals, a lot of people in Scotland were very offended by this because it was either weeks or months removed from a school shooting in Scotland with just absolutely horrific and tragic in a number of people. Kids lost their lives, and it was it was a pretty tone deaf thing to do to say the very least not to mention the fact that he was doing it to Nick Price, who I think at the time was maybe the number one ranked player in the world. And if I'm not mistaken, also his caddy squeaky who who, who passed away way too young was maybe an import health at the time. So there was a lot going on with Nick, and it was just stunning to see this happening. And and Phil said to me at the time, my gosh, if that guy ever did something like that to me, I, I don't know what I'd do. So you know, as sure enough, you know the, you know the. Team advanced and and. Of course, we get them US gets them the next day and the parents come out and it's Sandelin versus Mickelson like, oh boy. Here we go and we went out there and play the match and to your most credit, he was playing pretty well are the two guys Amerian strict. We're going to win their matches. So the US was going to advance, but on the tool of thirteen told her there in saying Andrews the next day he made a five or six footer for polar to go into increases, lead overfill and the same thing. He put his putter up to shoulder and shot at Phil and this kind of shooting motion. And it was just like, you know, Phil wasn't having it and Phil, let him know on the next t- that he absolutely wasn't having it, and it was. It was in my years as a caddy. You know, one of the more tense situations that you get involved in out there and it was like, holy cow, and these guys were were nose to nose at one point. And, and you know, Phil was not, you know, at that point of major winner or a guy that had been around a long time, but he was a very accomplished. Player and and your mo- less so. So it was just it seemed disrespectful. And so when you fast forward sort, it's for taking so long. But you know. To the ninety. Nine Ryder Cup all three years later, you know, your moat didn't get. He didn't play it all the first. The first two days there were two or three guys in that team Coulthard Yar MO and maybe van-de-velde that didn't play the first two days. And you know our team is is is four points down. We're getting our butts kicked. It wasn't. Our guys planned poorly is just the the European team was just amazing. And for me back then in ninety nine pre internet pre, you know, cell phones all this stuff. And when we left the golf course on Saturday night, none of us had any idea what the pairings were on. I remember going home and saying small prayer, driving my car back though, tell anybody but Sandelin and and sure enough. We got to the course next day, you know, and there was, you know, twelve guys. Each team is suppose random draw and fill gets your mo- and singles. I'm thinking myself. Oh my gosh. So we get out there the next day and we hadn't seen the entire week guy the entire week 'cause he hadn't played and he comes striding to the tea and fills there, and it's, it's tense. And I remember NBC was doing the Gulf and they'd sent Mark roughing out there to cover the smash because they knew there was a history between these two guys. And one of the craziest things happened on the second green. They, they have the first hall. Went to the second hole was a really tough par-three. Phil hit a six to about thirty feet than your moment is six, never left the flag. And we heard this kind of gas if you will, from the American fans pint. He literally almost told it almost made a hole in one. The ball went about two or three feet behind the hole, and we got up to the green and I'm cleaning fills ball, and I hand it back to them, Phyllis going through the process of reading his putt, and your mo- is just standing there. He's done nothing with his golf ball. It still three feet behind the hole, and it's definitely something that you want. You know, you're not going to give to them. It wasn't close enough, but we didn't realize they came to find out later from your almost catty as Yarra had something like a special coin that he always marked ball with. And somehow he had a hole in it's pocket and between the first green and the second green, he'd lost his lucky coin, the coin that he used the markets bowl, and he had nothing else. The markets ball with. So he says to his caddy, give me a coin, the caddy's got nothing. So they're not gonna. Ask me. They're not. Going to ask Phil, he standing there behind this fall on the second green and he's got no coined Marcus ball with nothing and little literally, you hear this voice from the crowd, some guys from spectator that kind of picked out what have been going on. A guy goes, hey, your mo- you need a coin to Mark your ball, and your Motors run goes. As a matter of fact, I do and all of a sudden coins come raining out of the corral and I swear to you. Chris, we were. It was just this incredibly surreal moment were there were twenty thirty forty, fifty coins rolling across the green that spectators thrown Adam. So we're out there picking up coins. You know, your finally picks up Marx's ball, misses the three footer and topped it off. The next t- and Phil went onto to win a match. He topped it. He did. He had a fairway wood off the next tea and kind of cold topped it it in the, he'll dribble it, you know, I don't know a hundred yards down wherever it went, but he was. It was just as crazy crazy moment. He topped it off the tee, fill one, the whole in went onto win. The match is like God. That's mazing amazing story. That was that was worth the journey to get there. What what is the most? That might be the answer that that match. But what maybe other than that? What is the most contentious moment you've either seen or been apart of or heard of happening in the Ryder Cup since you've been caddying in them? Oh, well. Well, let's see. That was certainly was that I was that I was personally involved in. You know, you just I, it's, you take these things really, really personally, you know, you're playing for your team and your plan for your tour and your plan for your country. And everybody wants to win, really, really badly and everyone's friends at the end. That's the bottom line. And and as poorly as as the US did there for a stretch there in the tournament, we would always kind of inside joke if you will, amongst caddies was what we lost the right a Cup, but we always win the party on Sunday night and we would have these great great team parties. And you know, you're drowning your source a little bit. And ultimately the European team would come over to a room and it would end up being a big, you know, collective blow out if you will on Sunday night and it's it's no hard feelings in the end. You know, everyone's gonna give the guy hook and you have a drink with him and in a laugh and it's it's, it's a great great event and nothing to overly contentious goes on. You just got, got you have guys that really, really wanna win and you know, you know certain. You know a ninety, nine one when a laws of all play had that match against just an injustice made that you know, historic putt on seventeen green. You know, there was some hurt feelings there, obviously with with, you know how we reacted when Justin made that putt, but but but in the end it was just guys, you know, it was what I would consider a natural reaction to guy making a putt at a time when we desperately need it for us to win the Ryder Cup. I'm curious as to what what you think the main differences are between rhetoric up in the US Radyr Cup in Europe in terms of how the fans treat the events are is one side a bit more hostile and more personal towards the players and how how are they different? How do you see the difference between the two? I don't see much of a difference. You know, certainly, you know, some things were said about what went on in the last last Cup there in Minnesota, and I don't care where you go. You know if you've got you know, thirty forty thousand people. Out there. There's going to be, you know, a dozen guys, you know, doesn't got folks that have you may be too many beers and and get involved in the competition. And that's why at Hazeltine you know, when when that happened, you had guys on our team that that made a concerted effort to say, hey, you know, knock that off and you know, we had a match against Rory at one point work is being disrespectful and and we tried as much as we could to to to stop that from going on and to explain to people that you know, you gotta show the proper respect and and because a, it's the right thing to do, be Rory such a great great guy and a first class competitor that you want everybody to play on the same kind of playing field if you will level playing field. But it goes on everywhere and for for for for those folks that can recount stories of what goes on here in the states. In terms of crowd behavior weaken recite, you know similar stories about it going on overseas. So it happens every. Everywhere you've just gotta shake it off and play and not use it as an excuse. You know, specifically for this Ryder Cup, the US is going to come in as the favorite. This team seem different to you than some of the other years that the US has been the favorites and has walked away very disappointed. Well, I just think that this is building up to be maybe the most epic rutta Cup ever played. I think that certainly the US team is stacked. They look, you know, incredibly strong. You know, you've got tiger, you know, let's let's let's not forget. Tiger wasn't a, you know, this was some kind of present. They gave him in terms of being picked this team. He was absolutely deserve a pick and is playing incredibly well. And he brings that presence and the whole kind of tiger or to the competition. He's playing incredibly well. The US team is very, very strong, but but I think it's easy to get caught up in that and overlook how good this this. This British this European team is, and you know, while you can make a lot of you can have a lot of discussion about this so called rookie thing that they have going on, but I don't care. Tommy Fleetwood, not a rookie. You. Know what I mean. This guy's played world class golf now for a number of years, and he knows what he's getting into. He's he's not only seeing these competitions played out over the years. He's played this golf course in France a lot. And in this is a huge thing about the Radka being played in Europe is that they tend to have competition on courses that they play year in year out on their tour, and we don't necessarily do that. And so they're going to this very tricky golf course from what I understand where you don't hit a lot of drivers and they've all played there quite a bit. That's a huge, huge feather in their cap. So while I think that own paper, you could say, okay, mic, gosh, the US team is definitive favorite. I think there are other factors play here. The that could result in this competition be just devastatingly you know, competitive and just, you know, I have a feeling that the Monday, Tuesday, evidence Ryder Cup. We're all going to be talking about it for some time. I hope it's case. You know, it's. You know, it's easy for younger people to kind of be have recency bias and want to say this is going to be the greatest Ryder Cup of all time for someone that's been involved in it for twenty plus years and seeing how much just how much this event has grown to say that it's going to be one of the one of the ones that validates a lot of what we're thinking. I think in I couldn't be much more excited about it, but so that air from two thousand to two thousand six was very dark one for US golf. When you guys when you guys showed up at those Ryder cups, did you arrive thinking you had a chance to win those events or what was kind of the the the vibe, like going into some of those. Well, you know, it was the thing a lot about the Ryder Cup is is momentum. And we had this negative momentum that you're trying to overcome. And you know people, it was tough because you know, you'd be playing regular tour events around the country, and you'd run into fans of golf and fans of that event. And they'd say, my gosh, you know, great plan last week, Phil or whomever. But gosh, can you guys just went a Ryder Cup and and the response that is, oh, my gosh, you know the teams trying so hard that that that you can it some point get in your own way little bit because you want to win so bad because there's so much pressure on you because you haven't been performing that well in the tournament and getting it done. So you know, we were trying to reverse this trend if you will, and in two, four and six. And you know, some teams weren't as strong as others and two of those three were overseas. But again at that, no excuses you just getting beat. And it's and you know, I. But what I do think about some of those Ryder cups was that it was, you know, some of what went on in those cups and others was the foundation for what ultimately happened in two thousand fourteen with his task force. And you know the task force thing there. You know it was a bit of a, you know, people kind of trying to make it a bit of a joke there for while a bit of a punchline, but there's no doubt about it in my opinion, certainly relative to the team's win in two thousand sixteen and now moving forward that those guys getting together after the two thousand fourteen Ryder Cup and saying, okay, we're not running this operation properly were getting out thought outmaneuvered outworked by this other team, we we've got to take on a lot more than we have and take this for more seriously than we have have a plan that we're gonna follow in Ryder Cup after Ryder Cup and implement this plan. Maybe get it done. And I think that that this task force that the people try to make fun of their for while is a big part of the reason why I think that the US is going to have some success you're moving forward. I was going to getting ready to ask about that because I wanna know that in twenty fourteen was it, was it evident that there was dissent building up regarding the leadership of that team? And in my personal opinion, I think that what Phil said after the Ryder Cup, it was felt and seemed very personal at Tom Watson. But if you really read closely at what he said, it was more of an indictment of the entire process. So was that kind of momentum building up before that event even began in the middle of the event and just kind of bubbled up at right into that press conference, or how did you, or was this kind of thing that you saw playing out pretty easily. It was an absolute indictment of the process. It's to use your words and. I mean, this has been building for some time. I think you know you could. It was. You could have a problem with the way. You know, the captains were selected and I'm not talking about Tom Watson, I'm just talking about generally speaking over the last fifteen twenty years. But again, I think the players also all wanna be part of the process and you can't. You can't go to a guy. You can't go to a guy the day before the matches start and say, okay, you're gonna. You're gonna play with this guy and you've got, you know today to get used to his golf ball of whatever the case may be. You know, you've got to take these things very, very seriously. And you know, again, you know, to kind of. Reiterate how, how well the Europeans were doing it. They go so far as to having control of their t. times of their European tour. So the captain of their Ryder Cup teams was basically putting guys together on Thursday and Friday or or calling the tour and say, put these guys together, so they could get used to a one another being around each other, seeing how they play spending time together on the golf course because they were thinking some months down the road is putting them out together, you know, in in some kind of format at the Ryder Cup and they, there was just they weren't leaving anything in the left to chance in terms of, you know how far they would go to win these things in the setup of the golf courses and all this stuff. And and we weren't doing that and it had to happen at some point collectively, these guys had to get together and and get some kind of movement. You know that the turn out to be this task force to get it fixed. And you know, certainly, you know, Phil took it upon himself to kind of get this ball rolling and. You can like it or not like it, but the reality is that a tremendous amount of positive, you know, in terms of the US Ruddock up movement came out of this and had a lot to do with with the winning Hazeltine. Yeah, honestly, one of the one of the kind of quotes or looks at it that kind of had the light bulb go off for me was Bubba being an assistant captain in twenty sixteen and him walking away from that process being in the team room and not being a part of it and realizing internally to himself like, hey, I'm kind of trouble guy here. Like, I'm I'm way too particular about who get paired with, and I'm a burden on my captain instead of being a contributor to my team. And I just think like, Phil, it seems like fills and assistant playing captain and obviously tiger wasn't assistant captain in sixteen and has relinquished that role to play in it. But it just seems like these guys are almost having this playing captain role of look. There is nowhere else to put the responsibility of anything if this goes wrong. And I think that with your backs against. The wall, they're just more likely to perform better in fill in the last three right or cups, I think is seven, three and one a lot's been made about his Ryder Cup record over the years, but it seems like we're in this kind of different era of understanding what the responsibilities are where they lie, and they just you're so ingrained in the process. Now that there's nowhere else to look and it's time to just to liver. Is that a fair way to look at it? Absolutely. It is. Yes. And so on that note, a lock, it's made out of, you know, tiger and fills overall Ryder Cup records not matching up to their individual accomplishments on strokeplay events and others style Vince. Is there anything that you kind of being up close and personal to it? Any reason that you acquaint it to that. I just think that. Certainly, you know, in eighteen holes of of match, you know anything can happen. Certainly, you're out there playing with partners. You know the first two days. Oh, you only get chance to play an individual there on Sunday. I would just say, hey, you know, guys get up to play them. You know, we certainly, as I pointed out earlier, we had guys putting a lot of pressure on themselves to play well into win because the team, you know, we just had won many Ryder cups, and I think that as a team that you know it was it was a lot of heat and we kinda got an are away a little bit there for for several years. But I think also you have to tip your hat to the other team. I mean, they were, they were. They placed those guys really, really stepped up Surata cups and you know the, oh four Ryder Cup that everyone made so much, you know, so much, hey, about in terms of tied them Philip together at Oakland Hills, four. We play to see we played Monty and gosh, darn it Padraig Harrington on Friday morning and I think alternate shot. She's me in best ball and. In lost that match and Monte and Harrington played unbelievably well and and Monty may not have won a major in his career, but he was an unbelievable Roddick player. And at some point you just have to tip your hat those guys and say, you know what? They just flat out Vitas today. Yeah, and it's his singles record, I think was like six. Oh, in two and just go back. The record thing is, I think with that big of a sample size for those guys, it's hard to say, you know, it's just it's all random, but like somebody like Phil shot what sixty three the last day at Hazeltine and only got to have out of it with Sergio because because that's what Sergio shot as well. And I think that. Tiger ran up against Nick. Cole starts shooting sixty to think that Saturday afternoon. I think it was. Maybe it was Friday afternoon, I think was Friday afternoon in twenty twelve and whatnot, but it is. It's just it's your exactly right and what people I think kind of tend to not realize how often these guys tee it up against each other throughout the course of the year and how close their records are even stroke-play round around. I'm trying to do some analysis of like all the potential captain's picks, and I wanna see how they were against each other. And I just thought this guy's going to blow him out of the water. But really the wind percentage was like fifty five to sixty percent across the board. So there's just so much so much left in there to rain chance to your point, but zigzagging around a little bit for years. But I wanted I was kind of curious after twenty twelve. And you mentioned, you know, even when the the US loses, there's always a nice party and celebration. Was it any different in twenty twelve the fashion in which they lost after having a ten to four lead that was ultimately ten to six on Saturday afternoon. And then then. Losing Medina? Was that year any different as far as the aftermath. Well, well, I think there are a lot of your drowning, your sorrows that night. That was that was just the mean there were. There were a lot of tears after that Ryder Cup, and it was that was that was a real low point. And again, you know, Phil, we lost Justin Rose. Who made this incredible birdie on seventeen to have the match them pretty eighteen to to to beat us one up. And there was just this incredible play going on and around the golf course Rory had that crazy situation where he almost MRs tee time then went out there and play Craik off and be Keegan who was playing really well that was a brutal brutal loss. And and I do remember all getting together and and having a big blow out that evening. But man, it's a long time, you know, months and months to get over that that was a brutal way to go down. And again, give those guys credit obviously. But Poulter did you know a David Ferte had that great line. I think he said after after Saturday's play after poll to run off all those birdies on Saturday afternoon said, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a tie is ten, six. It's all. It's a draw this point or something like that because they had so much momentum and I'm not quoting imperfectly there, but he was exactly right. They carried so much into that next day that they went out there and got it done, and it was, I'm not sure I'm still over. I was I was there for that one that was absolutely brutal into take because it did feel like it was over that Saturday at ten to four, which we should've known better at that point. But few more here, we'll let you get out of here, but looking at the twenty eighteen Cup. Do you have any insight into any surprise pairings that we might see or how the pod system may play out or anything like that? I really don't. You know, they're, they're keeping, you know, all that stuff under wraps as they should, you know, within the team room and I'm just fascinated, see it. You know. You know, I'm I'm interested to see if I actually think that that fill in Bryson would be a very interesting team because of very similar type people in terms of they're kind of like analytical ways. They look at the game. I'm mentioned to see if tiger, you know, there's been talk obviously about tiger into Shambo. I'm interested to see if tiger and Patrick replay together. I think that would be an interesting team and I just all those. I just want I want to get there and I want, and I want to check it out. I just think it's it's going to be epic. And I think there's some really potentially interesting teams there on the other side too. I think you know, Tom Tommy Fleetwood, who I think is just world world class. You know, one of the very best players in the game. I think it's gonna be interesting to see how he fares who they put him up with because he's got a game. The translate translates really well both to force them and four-goal the guy just hits like an absolute golf and God, if you will enrolls it well too. So I can't wait to see how plays out what's the most fun read or Cup match. You've ever been a part of. Let's see. Wow, that's a good question. While give me a second. Here I got so much. I will say, this is this isn't going to answer your question the way what's a lot of fun at the Ryder Cup is going out and watching when you're not playing and there's something to be said for not playing every match and having four or five hours to chill and going out there and just rooting on routing on your, your your teammates. And of course you're inside the ropes and you're very close and you can go out there and you know, high five, the cat or the player and kind of, you know, just just do anything. You can support them. So there's been some. I've got some great memories of just going out there going back and watching Justin Leonard, you know, when that match in ninety nine two, Brookline, I, I guess, you know, for me, Mike greatest memory is is film making ten birdies there on Sunday at Hazeltine against Sergio in a very, very tense match at mental it. You had, you know, two guys that didn't want to lose to the other. And you know, Phil birdie cheesy made so many birdies. I can't even remember them all that. We were in a tough spot there on eighteen because Sergio stiffed it hit two to six or seven feet and Phil hit at thirty feet behind the hole and made this downhiller that broke a couple of directions made it right in the middle to two. At that point, you know, the worst he was going to do was tied the match and that that that meant a tremendous amounts of me. And of course, you know, it looked at that point like the US team was going to go on win and they did, and it was just nice to to to finally be to come. Out on top and event. Well, if you do never catty in Ryder Cup again, that if that was your last match caddy did and that that's a good one to go out on. It's curious, did you Jeff? You've talked a lot about adjusting for yardages for people being pumped up on Drennan. What's that? Like the Ryder Cup if you ever had to adjust for yards for Phil solely because of the atmosphere. Absolutely. And that shot, I just reference for he hit thirty feet behind the hole nineteen was was probably me not doing a good enough job in terms of factoring in the adrenaline. The Phil was feeling that that point. But yeah, you're getting Jack there and you get anywhere else. You're as jacked up there as you are Sunday at Augusta with two shot late. So you've got to factor it in at least and some players different. I believe I've read that tiger. He hits the same distance on Tuesday in a practice round on Sunday in the middle of a ride, a Cup or the. The last round of a major. Each player is different fills completely different. He would hit the ball much much further when he. He would get that adrenaline pumping through him. So yeah, it's it's it's excited as as those guys I think are ever going to get in his fired up. And I think it translates into what we all see on TV. It's just tremendous show. You got the adrenaline pumped in me right now. I could go out and blast and 175. Very last question. Saul, some kind of high headline in the research. I did, but I didn't hear the actual story about how fill almost got you arrested somehow in a writer scenario in some way, what what is that story? Actually, it wasn't a, it wasn't a Ryder Cup. It was at a USO. It was at the the ninety, six. It was the, jeez, it was the congressional US open that Ernie Els one. If you want me to tell a story, I'd be have tallies do. So I go pick him up. He staying at a house a couple of miles from the course. He's just going to hop in my car and we're gonna drive over to player parking congressional. And so we do, we drive to congrats. Pull in the driveway and it's for an afternoon teatime. So there's two hundred spots in the parking lot, and they all seem to be filled so we can't find a place to park. So we're driving here with Dr in there. We're looking for somebody that's pulling out of a spot somehow we see a spot and it involves me backing up the car and going back to what we just come from. So I stick in reverse and I'm really backing up and I'm going a mile and a half one and a half miles an hour is I sick and reverse and go back to pull into the spot. And there was a gentleman that was walking kind of parallel to our car who was on his phone, wasn't thinking about what he was doing his, we pack we, we backed up past him. He just took a hard right and walked right into the side of our cars. We were backing up. So he kind of, you know, rights himself. I was looking where I was going, you know this and that no cell fine and we pull in the parking spot. I grabbed the bag head to the range. Philip goes to change his shoes. So I'm out there cleaning the clubs and getting rid of. Go, I think I'm pretty sure it's the first round of the US open and these two policemen come over to me tap me on the shoulders. I'm standing there on the range cleaning the clubs and said, yeah, Mr. MCI we need to talk to you about a hit and run your evolved in the parking lot. And I'm like, are you kidding me right now? This is on the ranger players and caddies are standing there couple of people turn around looking like. Are you kidding me? And the guy said, will did did did you or did you not run into a gentleman in the parking lot? And I said, well, no, he walked into the side of my car and I was going, you know, a mile two miles an hour time in reverse. This does manage the hit and run. You know, you didn't stick around. You know, we're gonna find this gentlemen all this stuff, and there's you need to come down to the station, and I am literally, you know, jumping out of my skin and at this point and just shaking my head and looking around, just dumbfounded as wash do. And I look past these two gentlemen, these two police officers and their fill. Look, you know. Peeking out from behind a an advertising billboard, looking at me, the laughing lies that he's put these guys up to it. So again, that was the stuff you dealt with working for Phil, he was he was a pretty big practical joker, and that was just yet another situation where he got the best of me, you know, and you look back at and laugh that you had me that prank had me. I was believing that this real thing, so you related well, all right bones. Thank you so much for another hour of your time. Look forward to seeing you and France next week. It's going to be an awesome week and hope. The trophy comes back to the US, but best of luck with all the coverage on golf channel and NBC. I know every listener. This podcast will be tuned in and watching as well. So best of luck over there. And thanks again for the time, Chris. Thanks for having me anytime. Cheers. Feeder right club today. That's better than most. About in is better than most. Spectating.

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NLU Podcast, Episode 300: Ryder Cup Draft - 12 Captain's Picks!

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NLU Podcast, Episode 300: Ryder Cup Draft - 12 Captain's Picks!

"Beater right club today. Yes that's better than most about. It is better than most fatter than most before we get rolling here as I I'm about to take into the cleaners. Drafting our twenty twenty eight Ryder Cup teams. We started our last episode with some Trivia. Courtesy of our friends callaway. That was fun. Let's do it again here. We go. What is the only Masters Round in the last twenty five years? Where player hit all eighteen. Greens in regulation. Who did that cannot the hurry. I'm not gonNA wait much longer. The answer is Jim Furic. In the first round in two thousand and nine you can actually watch him as well on our latest edition of. Wow World of golf. That if you're listening to this podcast live on our youtube channel. And if you'd like Golf Trivia like this Calloway has got something fun for you on Friday April tenth at five thirty PM Eastern. They're partnering with Fan. Beat to put on a ten minute. Live Golf Trivia game. You can play on your phone. Your tablet or computer. I believe it's exactly like the. Hq The old. I the H. Q. Trivia Games I stopped playing those but a lot of people love playing those for a long period of time. It's the maverick majors. Trivia Challenge and there's prizes on the line like a maverick driver jaws wedge chrome soft golf balls and many more so get on a spot quickly. The game is going live Friday April Tenth Five thirty. Pm Eastern time and to answer the first question in advance go to callaway golf dot com slash fan beat that's fan beat FA N. B. E. A. T. Keli Goff dot com slash fan. Beat to be ready for the ten minute live gave happening Friday April Tenth Five thirty. Pm Eastern. Let's get to the pod. Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying a podcast another special edition if you will. Which if every episode special edition is any episode Special Edition? It's a great point. It's a question but I think this is special. This has never been done before. Extreme circumstances Sala here of course My opponent today Mr Trump card welcome opponent but in these in these trying circumstances also friend. Samuel Ryder would've loved that statement. That's the intent of Of this competition and we you know things are GonNa get probably a bit hostile. Today we brought in a mediator for today's conversation which is of course none other than Mr j Pie. Hey guys glad to be here Excited to take some concrete steps towards maybe solidifying a little bit of a brighter future here. Ej Thanks for thanks for stepping in and Appreciate all you do for the game. Yeah absolutely thanks. Takes us to keep a fair fair. Keep affair well. Why don't you tell us about what we're doing? Well guys. It's a fluid situation as I think we've I think we've discussed. The world is in a fluid situation right now. The Biennial Ryder Cup matches are currently scheduled for Friday September. Twenty fifth to Sunday September twenty seven to fluid situation. Do we think the world is going to be back to a recognizable state by then. Hopefully yes but the qualifying process is GonNa be completely upended. We've lost we've lost it. It was on the edge was going on the edge. But that's another another topic and we've lost it so what we're GONNA DO. Today is in the spirit of really staging the Best Hypothetical Tournament. That we can stage is to pick twelve captain's picks. I think that's I've been writing hard for this idea trying to know you've been writing hard for sally. I forget where you stand on this idea for pro. This idea of the idea of a point system should could potentially add a player that you wouldn't want on your team needs to go out the window. It's not good and the the point system is also terrible so that the combination of those things yeah timeframe and it's so dumb some tournaments count. Some don't majors or somehow worth double if you win it and already almost get double the money if you win so basically win a major. You're on the team. Shot Jimmy Walker Twenty sixteen. It's bad it's really bad. I don't know how much time you want to spend on this. But the idea that an captains default to this all right well ninth on the list. I gotTa Take Him Gosh. She's seventh in the world and ninth. Actually they didn't Sixteenth bubble which was sick but they they just go default to like well. He's got the the the next most points. Let's take him and it's so dumb. I've got them right where I wanted very throwing hashes team under the bus. No I'm motivating them. It's a tactic so so to underscore the point a little bit with so many tournaments being thrown out with so many tournaments being thrown up in the air the qualifying process no matter what happens. Let's say everything stays put with the Ryder Cup and everything goes on normal? The qualifying process is just not going to be what we've seen in the past so you'd fill me in on how realistic there is but there. There's a possible chance that we could be seeing. Just twelve captain's picks to to fill out this match in the fall and for the sake of this episode. We're going to treat that as if it's news. It is official. We are the twenty twenty. Ryder Cup will be. Played with nothing but captain's picks okay since neither captain was available to make their picks and locked him in on April first. I decided to go with the next best thing which is to reach out to representative consider area from each side for the Americans. Choosing for the American team will be Mr Chris. Solomon Solly congratulations your captaincy. We're GONNA get to This big moment just one second. I introduce the guy on the end or the other end of the day is here. You know him. As Turncoat Tron Trust Fund drawn a lot of nasty names. That American fans have come up for for this guy but Europe. He's he's huge. He does a ton to support the game over there in Europe. Tron Tron. Welcome to to this morning's proceedings thanks aged I You know I've been called worse on twitter after I butchered the US national anthem the other night on on Torres season finale of season five so glad to be here. I'm sure you and your and your wife and your young son would have knocked at the Swedish national anthem with no with no problems I will. I will offer that my both. My wife and my son have Swedish citizenship. So that gives obviously gives. Try to pass for not knowing the same speed. The Star spangled banner. The Stars and Stripes start over to our American captain sully sully. What does the Ryder Cup mean to you? Well you know as the Ryder Cup captain. Here I will be spending the next two years speaking nothing but platitudes saying absolutely nothing of importance for you know considerable time to come. I will say the word experience about thirty eight times. Even though there's absolutely nothing statistical that supports the fact that the non fact that experienced matters in this event or that experience as well so that's pretty much. The runner show. I have nothing but the utmost respect for my competitor. You know we've had many days dueling On the golf course and now we go to dual Ryder Cup. Which is a dream. Come true I you know looking ahead to captaincies. Kind of had a feeling that we will be lined up and What better way to kick off twenty twenty then to go because my good friend John Carter area very cool. Saw Of course these matches will be played in Sheboygan slash color slash haven slash outside Milwaukee Wisconsin. You know as someone who's been to Wisconsin. This must be huge for you. Well who packer fans here tonight? Come on here. Yeah thank you. Yeah the whole crowd's here. Yes thank you guys. Thank you please please. Let's get to the show. You know the people. Wisconsin dude was passionate sports fan. Of course you know. The University of Wisconsin just Just down the road and man they have some great golf courses if there to bring this event to bring the world really to Wisconsin You know I used to live in adjacent state in Illinois so you know how much Wisconsin means to me of course and for some reason being from that general region means that you're a great leader to go and take a rider we can't we can't wait to see what happens and Tron on the flip side of that you know obviously a a links master in your own right Season tour sauce. Champion played a lot of links. Golf of season four as well season. Four as well thank you. You know clearly just a very links style golf. Course we're GONNA see. Hear it whistling straights. Talk to me about how this this must hearken back to your many many many many many many trips overseas listen for sure on at least on the surface it does pretty sticky grass up. There doesn't really play like a links it's like a fake links it would be one of the captives came out. Was like yeah. Listen that's bullshit man. That's not true. That's not how this goes well. The the Straits courses not linked but the Irish course up. There is an Irish course. All right so I would like to point out though that September late September in Wisconsin on the shores of Lake Michigan correct correct. Is You know if you go to see the lack of confidence. All bets are off. There's a lot of a lot of variables that can be added with with the weather. Which you know. I think we all know that the US team they're not mutters. Sure we're not talking about you. Know a beautiful course on the shores of the Red Sea. Of course taking say he is that sort of thing so actually kind of breathtaking views. It's Awesome Yeah. Do Talk Seriously. About whistling straights cloudy. Are they really breathtaking views? Let's let's okay. I'm I'm moderating so I'm gonNA. I'm gonNA steered in this direction. Let's talk about whistling straights? Because we're going to pick two hypothetical teams here and I WANNA know how factors into your decision solid. We had a chance to go there about six months ago as a bit of a scouting trip for videos that will roll out at some point when the world be returned to normalcy. Which I think is bullshit that you guys were able to go on a scouting trip and it's open to the public trial and you can go anytime you like what you see from the golf course and And how did that? Impact your team selection. I would say you know. I wish I would love a little more. Say in the destinations we choose. I think it's a okay. Good Golf Course for my team. I think there's others that would fit better. You know. I think the steps that the Europeans took in two thousand eighteen towards core setup design and selection I would have would have encouraged me to steer even more the other way you WANNA set up like a pro and those are your words. Says we're definitely your words I think if the weather is an element The match I think it's going to be very similar to I would say Pete Dye Golf course that is very difficult and that can favor the Europeans as easy as we could potentially set it up. I don't WanNa give too much away and kind of what we're thinking with the set up you know it can. We can try to shift that more towards our advantage. For some reason that's allowed in this event. I still do not understand why the NBA coaches got to set like weird behind the B- behind the backboard you get put the hoops at different heights or something solid. Once everybody got trophy team trophy. I do want everyone on my team trophy. That's kind of the idea of this competition. I think so philosophy different of that first of all. There's only one trophy situation. Yeah and IT'S A it's a cup right not but you know but also yeah like shit should be hard you know the margin should be thinned. I'm okay with hard. I think neutralizing and squeezing the life out of the excitement of an event is going too far the opposite direction. Do we think it's going to be hard no? I don't think it'd be hard. It's hard for a twenty handicap. I think if you've played back and if the wind blows the wind it'll be tough. That's the the big factor. I think I mean these. These Greens are difficult to come into when there's wind elements to it and the because you can't there's no there's not really options in you know to turn the series hat on for a second just like slap anyone that calls it a links because these. Greens don't present you. An opportunity to approach them with run-up shots in a lot of situations. So it is going to be more of an aerial game. A lot of golf courses That true links courses are almost always based on how the wind plays going to give you a ability to run a shot up if you're downwind And that's just not the case here so if the if the wind doesn't blow I mean Shit at the two thousand fifteen. Pj Shut Twenty under on this golf course like it. It doesn't have to be difficult. There's a lot a lot a lot of flexibility on the cap inside in determining that so right. There's WE GONNA get to that. Yeah we gonNA talk about setup more here. We're tired but what. I'm GonNa do what you know. This is unprecedented variety. Yeah cut down all the all the native. Listen to that I would say what native already gone. It's been destroyed you know. There's not a ton of native grass out there. You can hit kind of almost wherever you wanted to off the team to to an extent. Yeah I get it. But that's where hit. It's not you're not hitting that's the reason why scores or so the the this golf course free twenty handicap is a complete nightmare. Because if your top and balls if you're if you're spraying away right you're in very very thick grass where pros hit that. Thick grass does not come into play especially the for a match play them. It's not much determines. The fairways are plenty wide out. There we're going to keep it that way. We are going to be flexing tease quite a bit. Depending on the wind situations you know my goal is to put you know. I think rory maybe Rom. They're kind of in a different category when it comes to link but you look at my lineup Situations where you know maybe potentially more of my guys have abilities to cover. Bunkers in the Europeans do is going to be kind of where we're looking to gain some of those margins so there's a lot of charting going on we're gonNA get real creative. We might you know we might be playing from the red tees one of the holes we might be paying for on on it from a t on another whole. There's no rule against that. I never thought about across country. We've considered ideas where you know like you play. Maybe even like a par-five we might make. A park turned into a par three one day. You know the Secret. T- that we won't tell the Europeans about I took what happened. Two thousand eighteen very personal and this is going to be my revenge setting up holes where you're forced to play it off of a hospitality tent. Sure absolutely very comfortable doing absolutely. There's going to be you. You'll have to really look to see it but like targets will be added above hospitality tents. That's the only way to get to a certain pin is by banking it off. I mean I learned that some of this from polly's Zinger. You know we talked about it. Of course set up in the two thousand eight Ryder Cup and you know. He watched that Europeans in practice rounds. And they're putting to all the corners of the Greens. You know any turn gets to his assistant or someone just says. Put The pin right there right there. Put it right there right in the center of the Green. So these guys give me so nervous. They can't spit. Let me just say from an outsider. Viewpoint it's very fresh and see a captain taking it so seriously finally and put it in this kind of thought into it. Thank you I forget who wasn't on the POD Somewhat recently and maybe even what Zinger but when asked about captaincy or setup or any of this need using breakfast I forget but he he asked somebody in the PJ of America. Does it matter to you if we win? And the guy like someone offended like of course it matters okay. Well you wouldn't do things the way that you're currently like the ceremonious Captain Feng and just all the dump stuff that goes into it like you wouldn't do that if you if you only cared about winning right so we're going to cut some ref out. Well speaking of winning. I know you know a massive part of any of these wins and losses is the assistant captains. That are in In the team room the ask that are that are driving the carts that are everybody's wearing the same belts. How many do I guess I haven't care have as many as you want? Cool everyone sick. Let's play let's say no more than twenty. I got a little down. You know huge huge part of the announcements really stretching this thing out over over the course of a couple years here. Why don't you start with your Let's say let's hear two of them two of your system captains well the first in y of course my first captaincy pick. He's going to be leading our security operation for the week as well He will be also head of communications and he will also be in charge of his own fire squadron. And of course we'll be going under the codename the cat for the week but Mr Tiger Woods will be having a pod and he will be running the COMMS While playing as well he's going to be wearing the earpiece. I felt like that kind of held them back a little bit role Melbourne illegal. Well that is not my current rules. You're not changing the rules of Golf. Already we'll change but So that Mr Mr. The cat will be referred to from this point forward We'll be taking over the fire squadron. Eight the fires. Well you did you kind of slipped in a very. Yeah a very loaded word there. Which was pod so clearly you will be going towards some sort of pod system we will be going towards the pod system and actually Will be kind of all encompassing some ideas that I've heard you know a person in particular to try to establish some continuity going forward Not so I'm not just looking for the two thousand twenty Ryder Cup We are looking for a certain formula going forward for the foreseeable future sir. Would you like me to continue with more one? More assistant would be great for two. I do apologize for the first time if you have to. Do you really have won. The second POD leader will be Mr Philip Alfred Mickelson. His group will not be a fire squadron but it will be an investor group extra He will be leaving yes he will be leading that one. And that's all I can say about that one curly. Thank you tron. Couple assistant captains from you and and why. They felt like they needed to be in the locker. Yeah before I get to assistant captains I WANNA shout out. I got my my statistician team. Fifteenth Club of course. Oh yeah so. They'll be doing a lot of work for me to justify it. And all the FELLAS Westwood's team room manager Westwood in Thorbjorn Olesen. We'll be team room and post Celebration and all that what. What was the culture? You're really looking. Well they're trying to keep them kind of keeping everybody loose but also more focused on the end result not the process the process. I asked only as a journalist. But are there any probation standards? That Mr Olsson's under that that would keep him from being in the United States or anything like that or has all that been cleared up. I believe all that's been cleared. Okay where's Jamie Donaldson all this? He is our chief pastry officer. So someone like Westwood. For instance the The any type of role specificity in his role is is there. Less situation hangs out in the team room and also hangs out with all the the wags. Okay so it keeps all the wags occupied and and all that. No no not stealing anybody's girl. He's he's just providing alcohol and hanging out in the hot tub and just just an ambiance exactly keeping everybody loose but so those are those are my sister. Captain Edi pepple. It's going to be my lead assistant. He and padres will be Kinda handling a lot of the golf stuff for me. And then toto. Wolff will be interesting new position team principal from Formula One. He is Mercedes Benz Patrols team principal slash CEO for the formula. One teams and a really really impressed with the job. He's done with them and think some of those principles that he can bring over to. Our team would be much much appreciated. He's organized strategic big Fan. And just just for the golf media assembled here that was toto. Wolford Hodel Toto Wolff. Toto Toto W. O. L. S. actual name Toto Wolff. We are Non Formula. One in our but holy smokes. And then I'm also gonNA have chimerine Monte as soon for not having just a word about you know what those guys bring you know. Pretty good record at this course. He's he's got some strategy to got made a million dollars into the mix and then Yeah Monte is going to be in charge of the the culinary operation. It works with the pastry chef. I'm sure saw who round out your your system. Captains your ass captains. Well you know I kind of throw some jabs at the at the term experience but I do want a captain that has experienced actually running the show you know as a first time captain myself. I can't see around the corner. I don't know what what traps are waiting for me. And I want someone that is able to implement this kind of pod ish system better than I can and the one guy that has gone outside the box off the US captain That's not named Hal. Sutton in recent years is Mr Policing So I'm bringing him in brain to handle all those roles. He's the most cutthroat I think he's going to help me. The most in terms of maybe literally cutting some throats but also just cutting the rough and he knows a thing or two about set up. What kind of setup where we can get those advantages? I'd like to pretend like I know a lot of those things. But he's good relationship with the players and you know if you need a tree limb taken out it gets taken out if I may correct me if I'm wrong. But his radic. Nbc It is so if you could speak to. Maybe the downstream effects of Viewers will not have their lead analysts in the booth anymore. With as you're selfishly hogging him for your team room. Well it's in our hearts. It's in their blood. Imagine that for three days. And that's what you're missing so he's also hates Europeans. Yes which is a big big plus I saw him. Yes and also a Roy will be passing on in not taking the brunt of myself as lead captain. I've just I won't be focused on the competition. Right and this. This whole thing turns into one big media toward big media circle jerk if you will so I wanted somebody. Who is you know? Decisive committed of committing that word competitive admitted committed. Sure that works see. I'm not the media. Speaks well for nominating me. I'd be honored to do. It can represent us very well. We're gonNA take Mike One. Oh allow this might be some reasons. He buys recorded with him but I want him handling all media. Prescott he can go on. Ferte he can do he can be you know the figurehead of this for all. I care All I care about getting that John. You should get I know he's not technically European but That guy who is the White House. Press Secretary for like six days. Spicer get the mood as your as your video. I think I think You know just for the record. I'm not planning on relinquishing my role. Here we're trying to build dynasty me and toto and Eddie peppers you can do all my media for me excellent. Well just a few more things. I think we'd want to get to before we actually get into to the actual team solid. There's of course much more that goes into the Ryder Cup than just You know three golf. There's there's a lot of events there's Gallus Galas Gallus. There's all types of speaking engagements everything it gives a bit of a run a show of what what your players can expect. What transplants can expect how you might be changing the The the week the week of process you know. I don't have a ton of can share at this point I do. I can't tell you the things are set up your happy to talk about this. He'd like to keep keep under wraps our team will no. I think kicking off the week with something like the the opening ceremonies is of course you know tradition that. I'm happy to uphold. I don't think I want our teams mingling and too many other distractions after that I think my that's my way of reaching across the aisle and saying that I think more time for the team's individually To hope that they played their best golf Gives his best chance at a entertaining. Competition you do you think the American captain could sign the European team up for a bunch of events that they had to do. I think it kind of is how Jamie American European tour organized like this gala mobile. Some of that stuff has fallen off over the years. Because it's like we. What are we doing here? Why are we driving an hour into Charleston? Inland car accidents before the show even started also liked to name an honorary assistant. Captain Please I was hoping she will not be allowed in our team room or anything like that but I just. I want to honor her effect in the touch that she's had on. This event is Giannis Rice. Just in read. Yes you think. Your opinion tour member Her husband so dressing legit almost as an assistant captain as a as a pod leader. Your you know your your lost looks to be trump's game so I was willing to make team Europe one up before we kick off the festivities too. I'd like to proud announce the team. Usa's new clothing partnership with original Penguin. Of course we will bring party boy element to some of the scripting. There'll be lots of blues and just be just a whole new look for the the. Us team it's really signify. The new era excellent. I thought that was an address. I thought you know not absolutely not all right. Great shot the original our show we get into it. Let's do it before we do with the teams as well. Just WanNa add that. Of course of course we would be switching to the President's Cup style of deciding match. Of course of course. That's an offer that has to have and to reiterate what that is for the for the listeners One team puts up a match and then the other team has to decide who they're putting up against that match instead of the blind draw which is the current setup which is dumb and lame. There were also. I had a feeling that would be well received. I have a feeling my next up. Might NOT BE THAT. Well received the second the afternoon. Wave of rounds. will be starting a bit earlier than Than in the past. Okay so there will be some time for guys in the early groups to also play in the afternoon. But we're GONNA put that depth to test so there will be some matches that are kicking off in the afternoon That you know I don't I don't i. I don't think that the team captain the hosting captain can dictate the honestly. I'm worried about daylight this time of year. You know Up in up in Wisconsin. And I'd hate to see this thing go to a Monday. Finish concern so I it's it's in the best interest of everyone involved that we get this event it in three days. Cool I guys just GonNa beat the shit out of these matches early. That's certainly subjective. It's that'd be sick as if your banking your guy winning so early that you put them out in a match that was set to start before he finishes first time that would be could be the TC way all right. Let's get into it without further ado. We had a coin flip. Of course backstage sally congratulations. Thank you you you will be going. I not together really drafting from the same pool of players but What I'd love to hear your first pick we. Of course we're going to have twelve guys on each side. I'd love to hear your first pick. And maybe even what pot or squadron or Investment Mutual Fund. They'll be put into so that's one thing. I WanNa make clear before we get going here. The reason I'm bringing Zinger in here is I don't know the personnel the relationships between all these guys okay. I'M NOT GONNA pretend to be that guy. I am going to surround myself with guys that do know the inner workings of these relationships and trust that we are going to have a beautiful fall out. And everyone's going to fall into four nine three nice categories with that in mind. I Guy I'm GONNA take coming off fantastic performance at the Presidents Cup. I've been assured every reason to believe he's GonNa be fully healthy come September not. Of course he's going in the cats fire squad and he is the cat himself so he will be playing assistant. Captain Mr Tiger Woods feels like a no brainer. You know anything else. You WanNa say about what he brings to the team or you know. Probably the greatest player of all time guys. That's not an easy course to walk cold. Potentially Wendy we might be doing some climate control up there as well. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA BE THE CARTS. Exxon to hadn't thought of that. Thank you for the idea idea. How about the fact that he? Wd from the players before he knew all the cove in nineteen stuff was going to go down. He knew the cat and it makes you think all right listen. I don't know what else we can say about the cat. He's a cat. So congratulations on having the cat Tron your first pick police. Yeah but before we finish that I always wanted to say this for Schuessel. It's the first pick. I guy needs no introduction dusted scam champ at the Walker Cup in two thousand seventeen at L. Country Club t six Saudi Arabia. This year. Similar similar Look at the Red Sea. We'll be having to Lake Michigan. He's got five second place finishes in the last two years number sixty seven player in the world. Big Shop McIntyre th. Wow Talk to me about making him your first choice really set the tone with Bob McIntyre. Yeah I know. The resume speaks for itself you know. He's he's only he's only what twenty three years old? I think we can. Fact check that real quick. Hold on one SEC ROB Iraq entire four nineteen ninety-six age twenty-three went to college at mcneese. State UNIVERSITY DOWN IN LOUISIANA. Which we don't have to tell you much about the program down there you know the fact that you can go from. `Obon Scotland to mcneese state and guy can play anywhere. Yeah exactly you know. You're you're very He's had he's got one professional win. Which was the Kuwait Championship in Twenty Seventeen? And then t six at his first and only major appearance last year. Of course at the at Portland I do also think it's heady since Solly will obviously be putting Kyle Stanley on his team to to put the guy who tried to end cow. Stanley's life last year at the open championship for the no four call will that and you know he beat again beat the shit out of Camp Champ. Not On my team. So He's got Walker Cup experience playing on foreign soil and yeah. He's he's shown that he's not he's not afraid to back down eighty four or no he. He won't back down not afraid of the of the thing any else for eighty ellsberg which is all right very not who? I was expecting it. I love the rationale solid. Your second pick please. I'M GONNA go with the guy that I was going to run right back out there with Mr Woods had great success again real Melbourne This is very obvious. Pick as well one of the best players in the World Mr Justice. Thomas Course listen. Of course you know you've gotten to know jt. I you know I I know you mentioned you're not familiar with the inner workings of the interpersonal relationships of everybody on the team. But jt guy you've got to know a bit. What talk to us about him. What's what's he like Off THE COURSE. Let the people in a little bit here. You know. He's the same guy off the course that he is unsure he. He's you know people often ask me. Who are the best of the best hangs out there? And he's one of them he's he's the guy that doesn't treat himself like us a famous. Professional Golfer Eh. Any point and Is just a you know a good casual guy to hang out with you know? I looked to in trying to match up guys in their relationships. With other guys for how they're gonNA play enforcement right and these guys have forced them to experience. There's always a lot of uncertainty and maybe not enough attention paid to the golf ball and how guys play different golf balls He was able to make the adjustment to tigers. Golf Ball. it at Roman and They're experienced obviously. They were a very formidable team. Down there Their experience you know running through the internationals at Melbourne with that in that exact force format makes me think they can do it again. So just for my own edification. Of course he will be playing under the CASS qualities. Quadrant trump pick number two police. I'd like to go back to Robert McIntyre. Talk a little bit more about what I saw there Google with this guy last few minutes. Actually I've been I've been six. Am this morning doing research. Second Place Finish at the twenty. Eighteen finished challenge People forget about that place at the Sean Open in in China in twenty and then You tied for second at the British Masters. Twenty nine thousand nine hundred second intimate in Denmark. Six at the open championship t to at the Porsche European open to say I wouldn't be doing my job. Talion open hearing a lot of second places hearing a lot of. I'm not hearing a lot of winds. Listen it's just sample size okay. Now He's twenty three what morning you want. Well listen I mean as the Americans just through. Jt a prodigious winner in in his young years you know it's it's interesting. I'm interested to hear who you come about with with pick number two. Yeah take number. Two top thirty in the world guy went three and at the twenty eighteen year Asia Cup. Which is something else that we really look. We look at your Asia. Kapalua walkup look at performance in national opens and we get the Trophy Hassan to formula Tearful had talked to listen. Everybody obviously saw him in the cauldron of Bay Hill. Talk to you about how much that performance influence your decision to to put on this team. Yeah that I mean certainly kind of an aerial golf course you gotta hit. Commit to lines off the tee. And then you've got to really bring it with the irons so just nails. I mean the guy. And he's he's a he's a nutcase which I dig which we like Bit Ryder Cup Experience. He played in the two thousand eighteen. I'm really loving the potential ability for the top guys on Trans Team to get flustered because it seems like Bob macadear against quite flustered quite easily and cash. Kiro hadn't I don't know how he's GonNa hit the US galleries. That's going to be interesting to see. Oh boy this is good if you was beloved down it Don At Bay Hill people were really take. I think people really different at the Radha. It might be slightly different. I don't think he'll have quite as warm of a reception. I do think the Middle Finger endeared him to some American fans but I think people are going to put country before. I'm expecting more of those middle fingers. That's that's true. Solid police continue. Pick number three. We're going to stick in this. What we're pencilling in is Tigers. Fire Squad sheriff. So fluid is a fluid situation. We're GONNA go with P. can't layer read so it is going to be PC. Mr Canley unbelievable player that I think would have been a great addition to the twenty. Eight team is campaigning. Pretty hard for him to be a part of that team And I think we're GONNA see him on every team basically for the next ten years. I think we're only scratching the surface of what he's going to accomplish out in the PGA tour. I think he's a tremendous tremendous match by player. When you're when you're campaigning for these guys to be on. The team talked to me about how that process goes. It's me and my bathroom mirrors. Take him no just pointing out. You know what guys have done that you know I. It's hard to break through in this weird network of hierarchy that the. Us seems to have your buddy system. Let's get you guys. Have a buddy. I refuse to acknowledge the term guys We're changing things around here Turning the battleship. But it's hard. Yeah it's hard to get you. It's hard to get through if you don't break the door down with your play as as somebody who's never been on a team it's hard to get a captain sick so he and he's not really a guy that really would campaign for himself so he is just a quieter guy that probably he was on the radar. I'm sure but I'm sure. No captain felt any pressure to pick somebody like a lot of people you know. When they do become captain's picks there's a lot of texting that goes into it. You know now with this being all captions picks your phone must be just a lot of texts. We may get to that later. Okay Okay Webb. Simpson the team team Europe on your third Piccoli's. Yeah you know. I don't think this guy needs any any sort of introduction. Either if you can't figure it out yet I'm backloading my stuff and I'm GonNa you know we're going to get down to some of the important tough decisions here at the end but you know I'm trying to give give a little bit of Of A bump to some of my rookies some young guys here so World number eighty two again needs introduction with highest Schwab. Okay in Junior Cup team in the Ryder Cup. He's twenty five years old again. Route played really well last year in in national opens in. Then you know. T- three add the BMW international t nine at the made in Denmark. T nine at the trophee. Hassan wonder to T- four at the Italian open to T- four at the W. H. Speed see champions and t to the Turkish Airlines open so really consistent player. People have said that he reminds them a lot of Bernard longer. And you know twenty five year old Austrian. That was the was it the through a playoff at Turkish Airlines open. It was that the one that was like under the lights where they finished. Who could say again? Who could say I know he? He lost in the RIB AT THE HSBC. Hsbc is probably pretty pretty similar. Course what we're looking at up and was you hate that. Even though I know I do but you know. It's a pretty similar. Of course I think also you know you couldn't you couldn't find any of the European tour guys that we're actually successfully manipulating the world rankings. I want for the guys that were really. You know these guys consistent and he went to the finals of the British amateur lost in the finals. Which I know again I I. Don't you know the results are great? And it's impressive to beat big fields but a lot of I'm hearing a lot of runners up on your team And and I'm I'm pointing. That was a red flag as as a friend. And as a as confident these would be my captain's picks even if we weren't doing all captains picture. You know what I mean so I'm trying I'm trying to get get these guys out there. Get him comfortable and they will announce the big guys later on. I see okay. You know any anything. I don't want to put you on the spot but I've not watched matteis. Schwab a play much golf Mataya Shrub. There you go anything you can say about his game what he does. Well tron walk seventy two holes with the mustard at the Australian Open and this is really impressive. What he saw he went to vanderbilt. So he's very very Musically inclined W Belmont Belmont Comfortable playing in the US. He was joint third in the individual competition. But the two thousand sixteen twenty Seventeen Division One championships leagues answers. I don't mean to your question. Well no it's. It's very possible that you're I know you're working with the club. I know your big data guy. It's very possible you don't have a good even seen him up close very much so I would not trying to put you on the spot. I don't know much about his game. I know he's a good driver of the Golf Ball. Okay and just just hits a Shitload of Greens. I love it. Live look at the Fifteenth Club. Monkey mean per your question whether he was part of that massive playoff hero Hatton. Yeah Benjamin Bear Kirk Victor Perez and Eric in resent it was a live. We watched it in the in the mid Pines clubhouse the morning we were filming. That upset shows original penguin. Soli- I believe we're filling out the cat squadrons. Yeah we are. I think Gosh I might be making some changes to my team. Just to have a little more fun with this. Guy. I want the competition to be close and fun again. We even got killers so I'm going to round out. This is an easy one an easy nickname to run out this squad squad with and that's the X. men or we're taking zander somehow has never played on the Ryder Cup team. Which seems insane. Think his his game fits any solid. Course HITS IT Super High and this kind of golf course favors that and I think he can't leave. Made a great team. They made it okay team at role Melbourne and I'd like to see them tried again either comfortable with each other clearly. And that's that's my. That's my guys. Maybe the best player in the world that nobody ever calls the best player in the world wouldn't quite say that. Yeah he's coming He might be the best player that nobody ever says. It's the best you don't actually yes. He's very good That's a it's a big miss on your part not to have his dad as an ass captain. That's a great point complete Alpha team. Oh speaking of your team trump. Let's go to your fourth player. Yeah I'M GONNA go with my last. You Know Young Buck if you will young hove area now. We're talking all right. Mr Victor Hoffman. You didn't mean yeah. He's he needs no introduction. Anything else you WANNA say about him. Not just next bucket topic Puerto Rico. So he's he's a winner. That's right thank you Wonderful transition to the next group. Which is Phil Mickelson's investor group? We're going to be straight hidden bombs in this group winner of the Puerto Rican. Open Tony Female. Come on down. Talk to me about some of his other winds We do not have time show to cover the rest of the winds. But you don't need that in in radical. You know you you kind of been ribbing Toronto a little bit on a couple of runner up finishes you don't necessarily need to win stroke play events to be great match by player. He was You know for a golf course. That did not fit his style of play. At all. In France he went out there and I believe went to and one. I know he had a winning record and was one of the lone bright spots Campaign very hard for them. Of course as you know to get a spot on the team and you go in some loose of God. The last spot and He's coming with us to Hazel or to whistling straights. I don't understand why you say that. That doesn't suit his style play. Is it accurate? Drive the golf ball. He he's comfortable hitting long. Irons Roy. Macaroni hitting irons off of our five because the fairways were so narrow. No no I think female it's a misnomer to say that he's just a a bomb gal or inaccurate off the tee. I think I think that actually did favor his style of play. I would respectfully disagree. But listen FELLAS. We're not here to relitigate for guys hitting data and far the the dispersion that those fairways allowed for is tighter than what they pros natural dispersions go even if he hits a very good tee shot. There's a good possibility it was going to roll into the rough on one of the sites that fits that fits that allows his driver to go. Almost uninhibited is much better. But he's got a distinct advantage hitting a three or four iron off the tee. Listen we'll see tron. Let's let's move onto you anything else about mystery. No no I think it was a great point that you know you can't give away matches at the rats and expect to win matches essentially sex all these loading up on cat's lot of surprise you didn't put him in the cats cats. Don't get along that well with each other C. You know you've got to separate them tron. Give us player number five from team Europe. This guy of course needs no introduction. He's proud to partner with Morgan. Stanley shares Justin rose almost less left them off the squad but But Yeah I looked back at his record you know. He's a part squad. Is someone who I know. You're a tinkerer. You're you're certified. Master fitter as far as equipment goes Any concerns about his Auma Clubs and and some of the discrepancies in some of the Potential falling outs. That are going on over there. No absolutely not meaning I. I let me rephrase the question. Would you completely back him down and force a set of clubs into his hand that you think would be a good fit Yeah absolutely a longer with on my next question. I'm saying there's a lot of uncertainty going on and I'm I'm curious if Tron sees himself as maybe someone who could fill that void and help clear up some of the the uncertainty there again. Yes next question. Not a Lotta time. I don't need it on my next. Pick one of the best players in the world also in the in this bombs division. Of course we are talking about Brooks Kepco and he will be a strong. Contributing member was amazing at Hazeltine And we are going to set this golf course up to look a lot like that one In a lot not very much so like France where he struggled so as someone who admittedly doesn't follow pro golf as closely as they would like to project that they do is brooks hurt. What's going on with Brooks? Is he good as knee needed a little bit of a little bit of work but he'll be fine comes September again? You gotta remember this. We're talking about event at six six months away. I've total confidence have received a lot of confidence. A lot of people down there in Jupiter. He will be fine. Why why put Brooks with To fill investment group. You know it was a different difficult decision. I'm getting. I want to reiterate that these are. The squads are just pencils right there just in pencil but You know it's been an instinct for a lot of people myself included to pair. Dj in Brooks together in these team events. And they don't like they don't like playing with each other The last event they got in a fight actually and out that was that was a wild Wish we knew more about that but that happens from over with a couple of Alpha's from time to time they run hot out there. But they're playing styles from what I've heard you know brooks maybe hits putts a little too hard for DJ. He doesn't like done like hitting. The comebacker is coming back and they don't have that chemistry that you think they might be in good friends. So I'd separate the two of them and I ended up thinking Brooks and fee now are going to make a decent pairing and then the other the other pairing within that in that forum might be. It might be my house Hutton. Move but we'll find out all right. I thought about that. Dj HITS AS PETS. Kind of drippy. Interesting trunk please. Your next Tommy. Fleetwood no-brainer there. No brainer there. What Mr Four own one at a Paris something? That sounds about right. He Lost Douglaston dusted by female but gas. Yeah well I know. He's he's one of your three five favorite players in the in the whole world. Talk to me about what you like about. Tommy fleetwood everything everything I love having been on the bag having been on the team room as well Yeah Tommy just excellent iron player. Great Driver Golf Ball. No concerns whatsoever with thrown him out there every session a guy who has You know obviously we saw what we saw at the Ryder Cup since. Then we've seen him in contention. We haven't seen them win a lot. Any any concerns on Tommy in in big moments recently none whatsoever asking me yes or no questions. They're not they're not paying offers. Sorry go ahead this next pick. I wouldn't say any my picture controversial. But maybe is the most controversial to commit to at this point again. I want to emphasize how this golf course is. GonNa play is GonNa be a big ballpark all right. There's going to be a lot. It's it's one big blank. Canvas Jessica Oscars Somebody who has had a lot of success at this golf course has been very close to winning a major championship. Aga- cheer Erba in the bombs. Division we are taking Baghdad. Jerry Bubba Watson you know I I see where you're going with Why that would be controversial but low key one of the best players in the world of. Oh yes four months played great golf great. He only played well in even years to make sure that he's on these teams for some reason It's a great setup. Forum Francis obviously a comical set up for him But I think he. I think he should have been on the team in Hazeltine at the time. It was a great great golf course. They picked Ryan more for some reason who did find but not exactly the best. Golf course fit so Yeah we're GONNA hit some bonds the BUBBA He's GonNa take it over that huge dog on the fifth hole. We're GonNa just GonNa let him let him go nuts. I I commend you on that. I think that's I think that's an interesting one in. I love seeing outside the box. Although how far outside the box is up for debate? But it's interesting to see something a little different box. Jason Boxer Jason Tron. Take me way outside the box. Man What are you got? I mean I think I've I don't think there is a complex cloud. We're GONNA put a lifetime membership to the European Ryder Cup. Team is just a member emeritus. He's he's a dog complete and utter dog talking about the state of his game. I don't think we've seen much. I don't think we've seen much from him over the last you know. I don't know since Medina really we got his. Pga Tour Card back true. That weird statistical anomaly. That was going on. Yeah which was crazy. Icees point fine. He was a t thirty two T twenty-seven Honda t seventeen at Saudi. Which I know we look pretty closely as Northstar. He's sixteen at the Omega Dubai. Desert Classic T- thirteen at the Zo t at the at the CJ car ran he's hanging X. Year I would jump in and say you know when he comes to earn Ryder Cups. You throw records out you know when he gets out there against that. The Stars and Stripes you know. It doesn't matter what his game I mean he was he was he was t six at the Twenty Nineteen. Saudi as well. So I mean he's he's GonNa peak at the right time. I have no concerns about. How do you think he's his quarantine polishing his car's many many cars? Yeah Yeah could be a rotator cuff issue in his in his feature film me out Mr Mickelson's investment fund here. Who's going to be paired with Bubba Watson? Well again you know. The pairings could be fluctuate Lewis situation that out but you know a guy that similar to fill fancies himself a bit of an intellectual similar to fill straight hidden bombs. You know exactly where I'm going with. This cannot believe I can't explain you. How much money I would pay to watch. Bryson Imbaba parody and that's where I'm going. This is an entertainment product of the day and Bryson to get paired together. And that's where I am Bryson to shampo welcome to the team. I'M GONNA add to Susan Captains okay. I'm going to add. Preet Behara the former the prosecutor prosecuted of New York. Okay just to. That's going to follow the Phil. Pairing around or the Philpot around and then I'm going to have to bring bill. Nye The science guy onto the squad to deepen the climate change seen right now. I don't know if he's have time on his calendar but Brin questions thought of do you have to be of. The nationality of one of the teams. Had the same questions and who could say? I don't think so. I think someone like a pre who's representative the DA of New York's southern district You know I'm sure. He would put the stars and stripes above a silly golf contest but if you had several conversations with them Then obviously I think he puts the law above of any sort of affiliation with same with Mr or Dr Ni- built Mr whatever I don't know if he's actual doctor He. He puts the the he puts science above everything. He did. A perfectly if you did a documentary that couple of years ago it was a little a little off had had some thoughts on it a little bill bill. Nye might be kind of a thirst bucket. I think. But let me just dive real quick back in your actual your actual selection. I picture for whatever reason immediately. What comes to mind On the BUBBA Bryson pairing is how weirdly natural the BUBBA JEFF? Overton pairing seemed to be just a couple of people who are diametrically opposed in every possible way for whatever reason bubba kind of like was wide open to it and Totally rolled with the whole weird situation. So is that was that. Was that one that was on your mind. Well it was kind of like taking my two problem children and making them sleep in the same room in bunk beds. You guys figured out okay. We're not webb. Simpson has been through so much. I had already started typing in websites. Now I will not put web in that position again. I think web needs to play his first. First Real Ryder Cup without having to babysit somebody and We're going to let that happen very interesting. All right and let's let's go over to your squad who's going to be back in Mr Poulter here. We're going to go with the RIB. Rory mcilroy again needs no introduction. T four at the jets. Hsbc CONCERNS. He does not play. Saudi it's also great success at the twenty ten PJ championship. That's exactly right. I was going. I was trying to think if If he had any real significant lakeside moments. I know he won the match. Play at Harding Park That's that's very lakeside. Maybe the fifteenth can get some of some of these Roy's other great lakes moments Kiawah Kiawah notion like But still similar VIBE. Let listen I'll go out and say I think we're always agree. Pick thanks yeah. I think I think he'll really bring a lot of stuff to your team. It's all I please in the final pod. I'M NOT GONNA lie. Zingers got his work. Cut Out in this pod like I. I don't know how you know these personalities all Mesh. This is where I would lean on him to say. You know what we need to kind of. Move some things around. But a guy want leading that pod kind of being the spokesman and being the guy that people turn to is Webb Simpson. Flush our now for. He is a certified dog he has been through a lot when it comes to not just his radka pairings but the anchor ban and he's come out the other side as truly one of the best golfers in the world so consistent in the exact guy you don't want to go up against a match because he's not. GonNa let you in. He just doesn't let it doesn't give you away around him. He is one of the best. Iron players in the world has been for super long time our good friends over the sovereign rankings. Absolutely love him currently number one in the world rankings and I want him as a state I think at least three matches. I don't WanNA commit people to four matches but I want him going at least three matches. Talk to me about this. I know you don't want to disparage any of your your guys. But talking about the wholesale turnaround that seemed to make on On Webb Simpson. Because things were a lot bleaker a would say back in the day so I was just trying to protect his cell phone bill. He doesn't have unlimited texts to be clear. Webber's texted his way onto onto my team. Where I for a long long long time. I just couldn't look at that. Follow through and think that he was actual good ball striker. I couldn't I just thought he faked it around. And that's on me. Look that's on me. Obviously one of the elite players in the League ball starters. You didn't hit it far far. I don't think he quite hits it as short as we've pointed out in the past But he that's the guy that's GonNa give himself tunnel. Looks at birdies. Putting thing he's completely clear now with his arm off putting and he hit parts with such conviction and taking down. Justin rose of the two thousand Eighteen Ryder Cup. When Rosas Number One player in the world Maybe number two player in the world. That meant a lot to me. That guy can lead. The I remember being on that Sixteenth Green or whatever that par-three was And watching him close that match out and being like a guy one on my team. Do you remember him. Shaking it on eleven at Augusta. Yeah Sixteen and Augusta and number eight Medina. Yeah I do but as somebody that also lives close to say. We have a lot in common any concerns that you know obviously you and This has not been widely reported in the media but you in his caddy story of had a bit of a running a kind of rift or a running kind of rivalry going in the in the Florida. State Association Winner Series Events. Will you guys be okay being in the same team room? Of course we will you know. How can you not say this? You know look at this pairing and not think how great it would be to have caddy. Who is a great player? His own or on the bag for Webb Simpson. I it's impossible to say how much how much value that is. All right. Excellent Tron You know we've got the rebound team. We've got fleetwood on the team. I gotta think you're looking. Maybe somewhere Jon Rahm someone like that what. What's on your mind before we do that? I'm going to add to big jungle bird as an ass. I'm GONNA have him follow around whatever. This is the guy. That Webb isn't yeah. That of course erupted the ceremonies at the twenty thirteen years of that. He's got unfinished business with the web. Got OUT OF JAIL CELL ACA Joe Jail Cell Pal. So web should apologize for that that was classless coming soon. Maybe yeah I mean we. You know we're going to go with Rahm here. Yeah I listen. I think it's a no brainer So we're so really are less. You know less five picks six heartland rose fleetwood poulter the RIB and Rahm starting really get into the media order here. I mean you know you. Can you can sail. You want about my squad and then I got some young young bucks backloaded roll up front forty nations ready to roll. Listen to look at. What more can you say about Jon? Rahm certified killer number two player in the world needs. No introduction needs no introduction solly WHO's Who's going to be joining Mister Simpson in the as in your pod. This is where things get a little weird honestly. Dj and Brooks going together would help things so much and I end up thinking. Dj's to go somewhere. He seems as the most adaptable to kind of playing with almost playing with with whoever I know. I just said he doesn't play well with Brooks but I think he's willing to try almost almost anything so I'm putting him in this pod not pairing up necessarily with web but maybe potentially with their next guy okay knees introduction and this is the part of the of the press conference here where we're GonNa hear. I love for each of you to say something nice about someone else's player and so on. I know you consider us into a great player of all time. Maybe just a word on on why he inspires you so much. Thank you not at all. Get Out of your next question. Which I'm sure was at the top of your list. We're not at all concerned about any bad memories at whistling straights for For Mr Johnson. I would like to acknowledge that are. Just just ask really. How will we be treating the sandy areas? Yeah that's a great great question. I don't WanNa give too much of it away but there's a chance we may have one of the keys in one of them at these spot at taught on eighteen so there will be no hospitality tent there. They'll be no I. I think they covered it up The bikers take change shape out. There is allegedly so there is nothing. Dj Bunker Anymore. But we will have a plaque. There might have either one of those very cool. Who says he's have to be on grass? That's a great a great man. The fact that you put a tea in one of the spots that would kind of haunt one of your team members just shows shows your leadership experience. Hit a great shot out of their tron. Your next big police. Yeah we're down to the last three here you know. I'm just GONNA I want to let some of these guys down easy. I don't want to have to have them. You know worried about where. Or if they're going to get picked at all. I can tell them. You're not getting picked. Sergio you're not picked Matthew Fitzpatrick you're not getting picked. You've gotten dusted in previous Ryder Cups. I like you lot. Rafa Cabrera bail. You're not getting picked Stinson. I couldn't picked Paul Casey. You're not getting picked Matt Wallace. You're not getting picked. Sorry Michael I thought he was a dog one and be a dog. He's not he got spooked after SAR catches twitter. Beat the I didn't realize he went to Jacksonville. State University in Alabama. Yeah it does. Dm Keep him off your team or are you. Purely trusting the fifteenth club and and going on data are there are some personal vendettas and ut both but yet not a not. A great pressure player. Letard at Tom Lewis. Not on the team though. Mike Lorenzo Vera great hair not on the team Danny will not on the team host. The great stability is a availability. He's been hurt a lot lately. Nana Team Alex. Noren looked hard at him. Trying to spook solly not on the team blew. His Beard. Looked hard at him. Guido miglio's E. Yeah not on the team. So let's thought I wanNA talk about away. Who isn't a team? Stop asking me about focused on TV to go with molinari really. Wow we're going to. We're going to nurse his aspect to health. He's got some really really good He's come out firing the last couple of times the PG has been there had a couple couple of really good first round showings there. We're GONNA nurse him back to health. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA paramount with Tommy and get those vibes going again and and You know I know. Solid thinks he's he's GonNa set the course up accordingly but I think regardless of where he puts the TS. I'm you know I'm confident. In on Ari's iron play and putting to bring it home for all in the spirit of this round solid. Tell us something positive about Molnar here. He has won five matches in his Ryder Cup career. Yeah all of them at the most recent Ryder Cup. And he one zero of his previous six really did not know that. So we're GONNA nurse suspect to health. What's your process of doing that herd immunity strategy here? I don't know I mean we're just we're we're we're taking a flyer could be an atom. Scott Presidents Cup situation. Yeah Greg Norman. Picking him to give them some confidence. I also looked at getting you know doing some British Commonwealth research here seeing if we could possibly annex Australia share with thought about that. Now that you bring it up I didn't WanNA bring it up. Should we be discussing whether or not Britain is part of Europe? Wow I feel like. Let's operate assumption that and Europe based on the bylaws that you that you think it is great. Britain in Europe is your is a Europe era. I think all right. Let's let's pick apart the captain's agreement after this headed for the purposes of this press conference. Let's operate under the fact that Great Britain is part of okay. You know what I'm just getting word. I'm just getting word. Francesco Molinari has opted out. Oh He's off the team now he opted out he said. Mr. TC CAPTAIN TC. I should've mentioned that was out six. Sorry he's got some haves in there but not won any of them off the team now according to him he thinks he's better served as an assistant. Captain Oh wow okay well. Who would be taking his place that Tom? Peters wow someone who obviously has some. I'm getting word now. That tron just forgot about Thomas Peters is all right well guy that that has some some good vibes needs an introduction needs no introduction went to college and one St Down in exactly in Illinois very comfortable plan in this part of the country bomber. I'm going to pair him and Hatton up and they're going to just ask murder people all right sally over to you for pick number ten. I believe all right now. This is this is number eleven. This is number eleven. Two guys left here. You know I really was trying to avoid doing it. I wanted to go the other way I didn't. I felt like what he's done. Recent teams has been too much of a distraction. I consider bringing his wife in as as steering into it and just bringing her in as an assistant captain. I couldn't ignore his play on the field. It's just it's just too good. He is the twelfth ranked player in the world according to the Saginaw rankings of course About five in your heart. He's way up there and strokes gain on the PGA tour and of course Yes yes top. Five in your heart. I'm going I'm GONNA take captain. America Patrick Read. This is a tough look. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA be honest We have just to set the stage. We're going to we're coming out of The world's just being completely in shambles were hoping for a new world. That's completely unified. We're going to course with nothing but questionable bunker situations. That's exactly what I'm so glad you mentioned this in that. Tc's question was whether or not we're playing them as waste bunkers. Not we are of course playing them as ways poking and no one is better out of a waste bunker that Patrick Review whatever you audit their head But my strategy here is. I'm throwing the kitchen sink at Mr. Tc here I'm going. I'm forming a great group of twelve players That can play on a lot of different solid golf course but especially can play on this one. If we were going to France with my team look a lot differently a lot differently. Yes it would but I'm not going to get caught up in trying to formulate the you know the Gulf core of the players the team to the golf course. I'm going to manipulate the golf course to match the team. The team Europe response to seeing patch greed lining up on the other side of the field there. Well I think we we. We saw this coming. That's why Justin is is one of our assistant. Captains we're trying to to You know totally divide that household. Sure off she won't be allowed near our team or anything like that right drawn. Pick number eleven. Yeah the repick stinks. It's disgusting yeah. I would've loved to see you. Leave him off. Come on. I've been. I've been on the fence on which team to root for here and that's a tough one to overcome as an American fan. That's going to be tough on home soil. It's different scenario. I I kinda WANNA see him. Dj Together. I think it'd be interesting. That would be interesting to to left here correct. I'M GONNA go with Shane. Lowry Oud needs no introduction the reigning champion Golfer of the year. Maybe of the of the to actually could be two years. Yeah Trey Team Room Guy. No concerns at all with with Shane. Admittedly he had not even cross my mind in this exercise which is crazy since he literally one the last major. Yeah very interesting. I like that pick said we rounded out here. What do you think let's do it? You know I. I'm going to put a put with the bulletin. A few guys heads here before the last Pick Phil. Mickelson isn't will not be part of the team I think he's fine with. I've talked it over with. He's fine with that I wanted to. I wanted to so bad that I see you. You're the eagerness and DJ'S FACE. He wants me to take him. I won't be taking Jordan spieth. I can't can't make too many good talented players right now. If I felt like we were in an underdog situation and we needed to mix things up. I would do it. I would take a swing. But we're in the captain's seat here. I truly believe that Gary Woodland you won the US Open last year. I'm sorry you're not going to be on my team. I you're close Just don't I think we filled the role of bomber quite well With the other guys. Honestly maybe the closest call Matt Kuchar mccutcheon absolute match-play dog again. The kind of guy you hate going up against he's so consistent not gonna be on the team. Kevin Kisner of course always gets thrown around for these team events. He won't be on the team. J B Holmes again. We're kind of think we're good on the bombers grow K. A. Closely follow the The wyndham championship results very very close. Very closely rickie. Fowler not going to be on the team it's I just I don't need you. That just shows the depth of what we're working with here but quietly somebody that's played some of the best golf in the world it takes a long time to get all the way up. The official world rankings. Especially when you're special young player just playing in your first few professional events but a guy the sagging rankings absolutely love and you just your your favorite ball-strikers favorite ball-striker calling more. Cala love it. I was I was trying to lobby for a Chevy. Pick there but Very interesting that's that's I would say your riskiest pick is that is that fair to say. I think it's the only you know. Yes the only one. That is any kind of reach. I don't think it is a reach based on what I just said. People don't realize how good he is. Of course I considered now wolf. I just kind of want somebody that I think I can. Riot rely on a little more that whilst good is really really good But more cow the you know the what really impressed me was his appearance on the noling. Podcast you've heard it yet. But the confidence he he kind of talks about in that. I don't even want to say it borders on arrogance because it's not but it's just like so reassuring he's so sure of himself and I don't think there's a situation for him. It's too big. I want him on this team. I think he's GonNa be on a lot of them and I'm is a great great team for him to break in at home soil. A lot of veterans. Let's go calling you want on that while you need them on that. Wa- He is going to be on that wall. Try and please finish it off here got. I'm let this is coming down to the wire Molinari's back on the Tiv. Yeah I looked at alerted Chris Ventura as a total wild card and then I realized that he either wins or emcees We didn't want that God. We're looking hard at Bernard Long. I just don't think he's quite has the distance. Um So we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA leave him on the shelf. So you know what it comes down to two guys that. I feel really confident. Both of them got to figure out which one and it's between Victor Perez. Forty in the world obviously needs no introduction and Victor Dubuisson. Who and you know Peres For those of you ignorant Americans that don't that aren't very familiar with him. I literally had lunch with three weeks ago on. Look at me like that. Is You dinner actually really Victor Perez? Yeah that's why I ran into him there and his agents say hey you want to have okay sure one. The Twenty Nineteen Dunhill links championship each to pull a guy fourth at the W. H. B. Champions which we don't have to say you know very sort of course here t to at the Turkish Airlines Open in playoff right. But how did he played? Saudi leaves a little bit to be desired. T thirty eight this year and then last year at Saudi t thirteen. So you know these mixed bag. Great Yeah also on the Sean Open which has come up a number of exactly which is cool and then they trophy his on to miss the cut so hates CNN but very very good young player in his twenties twenty seven years old on the flip side we're looking at Dooby Saul do we saw is busy busy. I don't really know what's going on with Victor. We've reached out to him we. We've not heard you kind of said he could quote take interleaving. He hasn't played in the cup in like six years. Hasn't really played and much less six years. So we're going to go with Victor Perez. Okay it's a good pick quite a quite a build up there. I I like it all right. So those are those are our twenty four players Congratulations to each of you on on a great team. I'd I now kind of inverse of what we did earlier. I'd I'd love for you to critique the other the other teams worst player if you could man options to choose from here Bob McIntyre. That was a an interesting way to go leaving. Stetson and Paul Casey on the shelf. Listen I'm going off. Pass results will necessarily dictate future. I don't disagree with that Just doesn't really have any past results. That really impressed me so dusted scam. Champs came chance that I do feel for my opponent Ronnie is just not the same depth of of players to choose from so there was a good chance that somebody like Bob McIntyre was going to be on the team so you know I'm really not in the in the spirit of this competition. Want to disparage a team. Mem- another I think it's interesting saw always said the same thing about the European team before the twenty eighteen Ryder Cup. So the same thing about the European team for many other twenty. Sixteen that we're asses. Yeah I mean I you know I love my young gun for building for the future. A little bit but also relying upon. We've got some veteran leadership on the team. Now follies team. Yeah I mean you have Bubba up there and I'm GonNa Build on the science guy and clone that pot around spook bubble. A little bit I think and then yeah. I think I'm going to rely on my assistant captains to really get these guys head a level game gamesmanship. I wasn't willing to go to but my opponent We'll we'll be coughing and back swings than Perhaps we'll explore a little bit more on the the core set up front. I mean you know. I'm not sure. The cat pod gets through the first day without an injury. They're you know it's GonNa be cold. It's going to be windy some bad backs in that pot. Yeah now. Where'd you know we got Brooks and Bryson and Bubba in one pot with Phil? That's that's like I've mentioned that the pod situation is very fluid. These are you know and then and then you've got web and DJ. I don't know how they square. They're they're world views. There are some competing worldviews. I have noticed. I don't know that bubbles a huge science guy. I could be wrong on that. That's that's conjecture I maybe I don't plan to put them out in foursomes interesting. We're ball. Let them play their own ball. Bryson I said this is a two thousand eighteen. If there's any player in the history of the world that needs to be playing softball it's price. I'm not putting him out enforcements. All right well gentlemen. This was Enlightening invigorating Hopefully entertaining and any closing remarks. I'll look forward to the competition. I feel somehow even better about it than I did A week ago would like to congratulate my opponent on this baller aspirin. She's I've never even seen before but yeah look forward to a thank you so much for a very fair moderation. Do we think closing question. Do we think the router cope goes off without a hitch on September twenty fifth. Asca ask your boy Corrigan. It's already postponed. I think it does I think it. Does I think printed up much merch for it not to call Tony Tony Tony. That's interesting. Yeah that's different than like the one hundred forty ninth open. Yeah all right. Well listen as big. Rainy says You know we don't know but it'd be fun to find out what happens. We'll see thank you very much for tuning into this draft and shake. I believe I shake hands are well. We're not gonNA shake officially but an air shake of hands on this Tremendous Competition Jess beater. Right club today. Yes that's better than most about him is better than most most expect.

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NLU Podcast, Episode 359: Paul McGinley

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NLU Podcast, Episode 359: Paul McGinley

"Beater Right Club today. Yes. That's BETTER THAN MOST About. It is better than most. than. Most Ladies and gentlemen welcome back to the no laying up podcast. We got a really strong lengthy interview here with Paul McGinley WanNa give a shout out to our partner BMW. They are global partner of the Ryder Cup. They do so much to support our content. We've been working very closely with them. Over the past. Year working on a bunch of Ryder Cup themed episodes. Of course, the radical getting postponed until next year is Kinda. Put a delay on some of that stuff. But this is episode one of you know looking into some stories about the Ryder Cup and I really wanted to dig in deep with Paul McGinley. On being a captain specifically in all the nuances of that and really asked him to spend some time opening up on some specific examples and I, think the detail you're GonNa get out of this is it's unlike anything I've heard at least to a, you know all the things that he did with the individual players when he was captain in two thousand, fourteen kind of blew my mind a little bit I. Think you guys are going to enjoy it as well also before we get rolling. I. Just learned this. This is officially old fashioned week. If you want to mix a great old fashioned, you should be reaching for a bottle of Elijah Craig small batch. Bourbon. It has a rich flavor in full body is perfect for mixing this classic whiskey cocktail just need a little bit of sugar to enhance the sweetness and some bidders to bring out a little bit of spice. Learning this as well old fashioned date back to the eighteen eighties used to be considered a morning cocktail. 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Right in between if you pictured anybody who's been to the UK, you the the the Knight Green in Wentworth and the first T. in Sunningdale and I'm right in the middle of those two probably between the two you've probably. For somebody like Justin Johnson, that will be driving a wedge and I'm kind of in the middle. What is it about that area? That is that is so appealing to a Golfer from what I gathered from the little bit that you and I talked when we were at lunch last year. You. Do seemed like a bit of a golf course and that is that fair yeah, got very feeling strong feelings towards golf courses, architecture history of it what a golf course should be a basically, I. Obviously grew up in Ireland married an English girl. We got married in Nineteen ninety-six automate traveling at that stage to go through Heathrow because that Dublin was a small airport and everything was the connection and. Took a lot Outta me you know getting getting the half six flight in the morning to get in to catch a flight to go to Spain or whatever the case may be and you know after about a year. So we decided to buy a small house as a base in London than that out of eight it into a bigger house, and then another one we are still here kind of twenty, twenty, three years later, kind of run us through in the Surrey area what your your your favorite stops are if you had. Ten rounds to distribute. Kinda put you on the spot without one. How would you divide up to play golf in that area? Yeah while I mean, this is an oasis here of golf courses is no doubt. It's a bit like the sun belt these down on the Strategy Chris for for people who might be familiar with that you know it's a very well drained soil around here the sand mixture of sand and clay in their drain really well, he found they call it. So it's sometimes it plays like a links course I mean you can get run down the middle of Sunningdale in the summertime can get run on fifty yards sometimes. even in the wintertime, it drains really well, and and Wentworth is maybe not as dry as but still quite dry I'm. So you put Wentworth on their Swingley, which is an old gem of a golf course Harry called design. That's a really cute off course very few people get to play, but that's something special walker standards another one I mean, how do you call somebody all great designers and you know they they put their I into creative I around a lot of the golf courses in the area mixed in with that heather heathland the trees. These golf courses have really evolved into in some great golf on. Obviously my favorite is Sunningdale I also played a new course designed a few years ago called design twenty years ago now that call Queen which is much more American style private club but that's only a few miles up the road as well. But no sunny that will be my favorite oldest authentic Scott to. Golf courses at the old and the new There's only six months between them even both in our over one hundred years old. The famous one is the old one but my personal favorite at is a new. What's always funny. You know anywhere pretty much care Ireland the anything that's called a new course is always the term is very relative. Right I mean Yeah Old Tom? Morris designed the the new course at Saint. Andrews and I remember my first time going there I thought I don't WanNa play the new course like show me the old one and then no, this was designed in nineteen ninety-five. Okay. Actually sounds like it would be a pretty cool experience. I love the Heathland Golf may be my favorite because I just love playing golf when it's firm when the ball's rolling but you have to elements in. Heathland golf that you don't really have in links golf at I. Think the advantage it has over links golf is it's hard to play a lot of people take long trips and it's hard to play eight to ten straight days of links, golf in the wind and just kind of getting beaten up by people that aren't used to doing that every week. That's one and the elevation change you get a lot more land movement in the. Heathland yet, still getting the firm turf and you know it's it's more peaceful than getting crushed by the wind and Sunningdale Bark sure Walden. Heath and everything in that area has been just I. If I could pick a place to escape Florida in the summer I think I would want to do it in in the area where you live to go play golf. Yeah. Agree with all of those cautious you mentioned there Chris. An hour right on the edge. London I mean we're Kinda fifteen minutes from each airport thirty minutes from downtown London it. It's really an at the same time in the middle of the countryside south on it. It's a really nice area to to live in with lows variety golf courses were very fortunate. That's for sure and I certainly make the most of it. I play a lot of money games around here. That's what keeps me interested. As much as I like, the golf courses in the heat land and all of those new make good points there. But the architecture on the particularly how he calls they, they very rarely close off the front of a green. So it's it's unusual to have to carry the ball over the bunker over water hazard onto the green nominally they give you an opportunity. To Chase it in off the Brown and you've got the contours underground that help you chase it in our feet away from us if you don't get it right and that's what's so brilliant about the architecture but up in Sunningdale. Just going back to that took money games Damon. was talking about last week money games is one way of keeping yourself sharp. That's for sure. Got To stay sharp as competitor on. Sunningdale. A group of maybe twenty guys are solved maybe more thirty guys maybe forty and we rotate against the playing the caddy master puts the Games together We all have handicaps and give the shots than what they do. They do two things. First of all they play history. So if I play Guy Off six, hundred Kaplan I beat him. He gets seven shots the next time against me an NF I beat him again, he gets eight shots against me that if he beats Neko's back to seven and so on. That's what kind of keeps it fun, and then secondly they mix up the groups all the time. So you're not playing the same guys over. It makes for a fair gain. The money kind rotates, but the money could be big. You know already. Like everything, sometimes, it gets open to forefingers. What do you playoff of his handicap then? Between Placebo and plus four. Dependent who plan, and sometimes at the moment is probably near scratch I'm not playing very much I. I was planned about six weeks ago quite a lot. But I've been busy the last month or shell on being arnovitz. I haven't been able to play a UP. It's always so hard to to to try to handicap what pros are as one I mean all your tournament rounds are on courses that are just are. There's not even a rating for how difficult you know some of these courses play and whatnot, but I want to kind of go backwards you know Gosh, the Irish listeners are GonNa hate me for talking all this London Golf with you not talking Ireland Golfer somebody from from outside Dublin. But where where did you play grown-up I guess where did you learn the game and kind of did you realize? What a what a gem of Country Ireland was for golf as a young person or do you have more appreciation for that now? I think appreciation now I mean I grew up in a very insular Ireland back in one thousand, nine, hundred eighties at you know going away to Spain Portugal like going to the moon never mind thinking about going to, America, you know I never left the country. I was I think nineteen or twenty years of age. State a group in our group in a suburb of Dublin, my mom data from donegal the very top left hand corner of Ireland Lisa Sup- there. For the holidays some holidays for two or three months dad will come up every weekend and Mama, go put the kids in. We'd stay there and small house there and that was kind of my my childhood. I am and I wasn't a Golfer Chris I, mean, my dad was a good player. He was a one handicap used to play the amateur scene in under the great amateur scene in Ireland North, South East, and West of art, and for big championships, four majors as we call them and he used to play in all of those as well as the championships. As the artist championship and the scratch cop and used to caddy for him when I was younger during the summer holidays. But my big passion was football and that's what I was good at. Golf was not something that came easy to me. It never did my to be honest doesn't come easy to me. You know gay football was where I was driving a myself towards until brought knee when I was nineteen I hope you understand how frustrating that is as an American. Radyr Cup fan that Gulf comes very hard to you and you you be you beat are asking the Ryder Cup every single time and you had a very storied Ryder. Cup Create. Now that's that's great that really helps the helps a helps helps heal my wounds. I'm still looking from that but I wanted to get. the ninety one Walker Cup was that poor mark was that of course that you had yeah. I played a lot as a junior or as a young person and just kind of scrolling through some of the names they're you know Padraig Harrington was a a peer of yours. You grew up in the same area and then going up against Phil and Bob May and David Duval other team. What was did you have full appreciation for how great the? Walker. Cup was how big of a? Deal that was when you played in what do you remember about that event? So growing up in Dublin as I said, at Gaelic football was my passion I play golf during the summer I was about five hundred capitals, nineteen years of age, and then I brought my knee and I couldn't like football anymore adopt stages in college in Dublin do a diploma in my career Diploma Carson in Marketing College. So quick for six months come off the coaches Golf Dan the last two years of college. Soccer play trauma to the year rather than just two or three during the summer on couldn't play football couldn't train anymore, which is really devastating for me because. I was a thought that was pretty good at I was Gonna get the very top. My Golf's got good. Wasn't amazing but got good. I got down to Kinda scratch handicap. Maybe one handicap when I finished college than I worked for year six months in Brussels in DC that was the first time I left Ireland. So that was what the air was. Dot Ninety seven. I was twenty one years old. Yeah. So's I was twenty one when I left out on the went over there twenty one a week for six months in. D. C. in Brussels network six months in investment company in Dublin, and then I met a guy who knew coach at in. San Diego. Small University call, US International I ended up going there for my last two years for two more years to get a second degree in international business. And also kind of play golf and that was the first time I went to America was twenty two years of age when I was over here. That's where I really escalated Golfer I used to play in the same tournaments as fail. He was the big star of his own at the time and we would team, but we were certainly not to the level at off the top teams and I did okay and played well, and then came back and dominated the amateur scene in those two summers that I came back on that escalated into the Walker Cup team. So yeah, I. of course, a new how big a deal it was. I had made a kind of private deal myself before when a college in. America to say if I don't make the Walker Cup team in Nineteen ninety-one mark I'm not GonNa go pro and if I do I woke and I made the team and went to the tour schedule after came second on that I've been endorsements. So that Satan a nutshell that's quite a bit to have made with yourself. You have. Do you ever wonder what? Would happen if you didn't make that team. Yeah I would have gone into business I mean that's what I always. Thought it was going to be as what I was prime for five years of education to be business I was thinking all about business. That's what I was going and I really didn't think. I. Was going to be a proud to be on a cited Nichols good enough to be pro But I kinda doubt I really good. Amateur career wasn't true dynamic golf. It was just pure grit and determination I. Look back in a on anything else I had a good game I had a solid game, but it certainly wasn't anything that was tourist standard on Connor. Nobody's more surprised than me when I went to the tourist killing came second I kept my head down I didn't look around we did look at didn't know what what was going on didn't want to know what was going on and just kept playing away and I end up coming second. That was that was kind of me stumbling through professional golf. Say IT worked out decently well, at least it's fair to say, I. I usually wait a little while to get into Ryder Cup stuff with with someone, but there's so much Ryder Cup to cover with you that I. I WanNa make sure we get this. On, the front half of we can so first question I have. So you're a Ryder Cup rookie in two thousand and two and I got a lot to ask about that I Ryder Cup you play. But first off what was it like waiting a year for the event? Obviously, this year's event is postponed until next year the circumstances are obviously quite different it was postponed because of nine eleven, but notably, the team was set in two thousand and one didn't change for the two thousand and two playing, which is different than this year. So what was that year like waiting an extra year to play in your first Ryder Cup? What do you remember that? What water a member quiz was it was nightmare what I remember I went into making the team in two thousand and one finished sixth in the money list I had made the team comfortably it was my first Ryder Cup I just won the Welsh Open I was flying I was playing really well, I couldn't wait for the Ryder Cup and then nine eleven happened and it was counseled and then the next twelve months my phone just went down down down I was languishing of fiftieth in the money list by the time the Ryder Cup camera down the following. Year having a really poor season, very few top tens and going into this huge event as probably the weakest player on the team because I lost my mom and it's like Oh my God Ryder Cup is so difficult. Enormous trances never mind going in there playing as bad as a have missing more than I was making them that yeah I went into it with a lot of fear I have to say, and that's where you know why hold some tolerance? The captain in such high esteem is is he was the reason I came out of the theater side. So. What was it like come into that team? who were the I want to really dig into you over the process of a lot of these questions on what makes you here Paean model work in kind of. At that period of time, it wasn't this you know pure dominance from Europe we've seen over the last two decades or so but I want to know when you walked into that and you came in and saw that team rookie imagine you're probably being one of the quieter voices in the room. But what did you feel like you walked into? It did feel a I guess describing the team atmosphere and the confidence and the way that team carried itself from year to year. And had you know kind of getting into the succession plans in the way the whole system works in Europe is that I really want to unpack without. Of course, you won't give away too many the secrets, but I just wanted to like when you came in. Did you did you look around and say, wow, these guys have really got this figured out or you know has come a long way since then why don't remember mouth? There's definitely a hierarchy you move into the hierarchy and. You part of the team. So that's important what I moved into more than anything Kris which is never talked about. But one of the real absolute fundamentals in in our brought a number fundamental Sultaniye into my captaincy, the number one fundamental more than anything else was fun. You know when you walk into an atmosphere that was alive, there was energy and the energy wasn't of all my God I. Hope we don't lose God is so. You know. It was quite the opposite of all my count. Wait to get this on just sitting in the room I'm looking around remember looking around and seeing Monte it was just so ready for Thursday offer. Friday Radha I. Mean for early in the week and it wasn't like giddy ready. It was just like, yeah just bring it on. I'm ready I remember looking he personified and he gave off a body language of. I got this and then you look across it. Langer you know you look across Sergio who's just person trilobite stage and you know Westwood and you know there was such a star witness a resident resolution about them but it wasn't in a stern way. It wasn't in a giddy way. It was more of a resolute way but also smile under face the Banter was great. The atmosphere was relaxed. You were made feel very part of a group of guys. Taken on this enormous challenge in the Ryder Cup there is no doubt but doing it with a smile on face. Did you get the sense that there was extra any angst in the room because of how things played out of Brooklyn in the in the previous Ryder. Cup was extra revenge factor in that I know you weren't part of the ninety nine team but did you get that sense of the other guys? No, no wasn't even referenced. I don't even remember it being mentioned to be honest. Sam was of ice cap into that and a nickname cotton instead called the this day. Happy Sky in room. On Mean San was everywhere you saw me was beaming as a captain. Now we just that body language is a captain it just kind of is like you just punch the air out of all anxiety righteousness around there was no bitterness recreations of what happened in in one thousand nine we've moved on it's now three years later because of nine eleven and Now, I don't even remember to be mentioned to be honest is the first that I tee shot in the Ryder Cup all it's cracked up to be. Yeah well, I knew I wasn't playing in the mornings on captain me really well, and you know it's important to kind of touch Omni. So what he did myself, there was four of US Myself New Westwood. A price I think it was folksy. The four of US had really lost formed that year some players of land better simply not was just product does four players will sit in. America, so the three of us who are based in in in the UK were brought up to 'em. The week before by Sam I beside psalm here down Sunningdale and. We went up for practice twelve or ten days before the Ryder Cup at World Championship was on over in Ireland -ironically. Qualified planned and he said come on, let's get getting us all get together. Good Open on have a runaround about we have look at the course that stage all the stands we're open. We kind of had a nice day fall away round. We'd a bit of food afterwards. Nice but a banter and then on the way back we've got in Sanga driven, BMW? Driver and we got him to back of the car and he jumps into backside. Me Add speak seven series BMW and he's got a bottle pink champagne and two glasses y'all up the Butler champagne if the dry back about two hours from from Birmingham. He said, right. We're going to talk about your role this week and he went through everything and he basically showed some confidence in me. He told me the road everybody was gonNA play and many matches. Every was gonNA play many matches I was gonNA play who might who my partner would be just give me such exude of confidence that you know you're part of the team. You're not kind of guy I'm trying to manage here. He made me real proud of it getting out of the car. On our side, you know really felt like I was going to be in a very important. He made me feel a very important part of his team, a very important members of his team even though you know in the car journey and the way you felt that I was the outsider and I was a problem that he had to manage while that sounds like leadership to I feel like on on our side of the pond, it's a lot of the players dictating so much stuff and instead in. Almost, not having. Feeling like they're kind of reporting to someone I get the sense from you that you just had such respect for the captain and maybe the Europeans have more more respect for you know the the process and the figurehead at the top of it. Than than maybe the Americans you I don't know if you can speak to that directly. But that just sounds like a very different system than maybe what we have well I mean I. Think it's different in America now Chris but certainly when there's a huge apartment onomic here that America where missing that don't do now and that was the fact that all of the Ryder Cup captains in Europe were chosen by their peers chosen by the players right? The Players Committee representative of the players were the guys. Who chose the captain would be not a PG board or you know somebody from the outside? Are you know some figureheads picking it? No, it was the actual players who put the captain in place, and that was a very important onomic. Now, pose task force. Now American of change the players to the task force are very much in control of that. Now with no, I felt that was probably where a lot of that respect game we're going back to to you you become the person that is. Seals the clinching point one I want to know why it seems that did that to be so So important to the European players and that's something that I've I hear talked about a lot which is I find that very interesting because I think you guys have such a great team dynamic to it that it does seem I. Remember apologizing you're always referencing the the European nobody wants to be the guy that loses the final point but the Europeans take special special joy in clinching that final point. So one, how did you end up in that situation where you were you know having the match with Jim Furic to to get that final the. Point you needed and you know what was that? What was that like for you as a first time Ryder Cup well, again, I just had a question if you don't mind telling you story on it, and so my role was to play day t to the first two days I'm currently was going to be my partner is going to play the afternoon foursomes with him. Then I was going to play in the morning foursomes on the second day, and then I was going to play my singles match and first time we would go out the first day we lose three and two, but I quite quite well, that was my first radical match after I had my own. Product felt he didn't play very well and went to sign afterwards and said look at Paul Down I haven't played very well, I need the morning off tomorrow to practice. So some EH, decided to leave him outside comes to meet. He's taller got bad news part of doesn't WanNa play tomorrow breezy fees that you down today and I'm afraid. That leads you without a partner in somebody else to play because you haven't prepared to play with the. You've prepared to play Republican and you know I. I don't take a chance of putting with somebody else. So he said look in the afternoon is the fourball yet probably not you're not gonNA play that you know that anyway so you won't be playing doubtless. So I'm really disappointed because I, just got a taste, my first Ryder Cup match even though I've lost I, felt the Fed, my own, and now I want more I drove. Out of the forgotten about my fault coming into it I'm I'm looking forward to having another bite of the Cherry. So roll out the next day which is a Saturday morning, and I'm out walking we play nine holes behind the groups that went off just to kind of get a feel for the course wasn't playing in the afternoon and then one of the vice captains come down the fairway we come up the ninth. Guy Called Derrick Annette he turned to over towards. May We all looking at Judah God what he come down here for? What's happened or WHO's playing in the afternoon and he turned it over to me said, jump in a car on the forty five minutes, your plan but Darren. So I, get up to the up into the players into the players lounge and I sit down on that Sam comes over me says, Look said last minute decision at Thomas played really core. Thomas Bjorn with this morning with with Darren I'm going to give us arrest you darn good friends I. Know you can fit in and a foul ball off you go. You'll be great and I'll be went on. We had an unbelievable game played myself and Darren play in the fourth game I. Think we played Davis and Aska think Davis Skull. In the fall ball on Saturday afternoon. So all matches were finished. We were wound down playing the eighteenth hole the game. The Gulf was unbelievable I. You know we we were about eleven or twelve under par better ball on. So what America's a golf was fabulous no. Actually was planning, Remember Ivy. So updating the Doug Lake Leftover, the water I'm on the fairway hoke was under fairway. Could Long Story Short three players made a bogey and I hit no believable for shop at four hundred was the last shot of the day a held its forearm beautifully into a back right against the wind wind was whipping across on this unbelievable. When the best forearms ever hit to the twenty eighth made par wounded hall now that half the match now we Will level going into level overall going into the singles following day. It was a massive psychological boost for the team and I performed heroically counted in the last few hours at thirty sixteen as well and come into into the lounge afterwards, and everybody's on hide in music skull when were flying as a team sound comes over and gives me this massive bad Hogan's this grisly. Grisly grisly guy grabbed me plummy really tight and he whispers in my ear. He said McGuinness showed some which balls today at that number M when it really counted on the eighteenth hole, I'm going to put you out tomorrow number twelve because I know you can handle big occasion if it comes down to it. So. Now, I intend for Tall Pitcher, a guy coming in missing city's making, and now here I am going to be playing the anchor role in the of Cook the following day in a match there could welcome down and to the last game. So I go to my room and have a shower and I come back down for dinner and they're all the guys are sitting down. And remember Thomas Saint BBC The draw for tomorrow I said now but I don't in my own head that sat is playing number twelve told me but I didn't say to anybody and I kinda Caisley went over picked up the draw and I looked down over twelve. Yes. But PARNEVIK that I looked up number one that was Monte Muscle, where am I and then Osama at number nine thought. Got Him in hidden some playing games in the whole thing doing another kind of hidden me there at number nine and the order. Say, not an honest sit down and Sam, comes comes in about twenty minutes later from his press conference as he comes in a step up when I go over to walk off, he says I'm not WANNA. Speak to on over here. He pulls me over it against it's down pulls up a chair right? OPPOSITE GETS HIS FACE RIGHT IN MIND HE SAYS I. Know You're GonNa say I, said well Look Sunny Thomas GonNa play number twelve but I was looking forward playing that role and you know as feel it hit me now number nine he said no, he said before putting the team to think about and I really feel the winning point is gonNA come Somewhere. Between eight and ten on a put you right in the middle there I know you can handle this occasion when it comes down to it. So I was kind of pacified enough that okay. Fine. If that's what he thinks that's what I'm GonNa, do and and off I went could long story short roll up the next day and Jim fury singles on we've just missed the green both of us have missed the green on eighteen left and they're as walking up San Lien against the bridge I can still see lien against this bridge with this big huge grin on his face as I'm walking up remember the Ryder Cup is on the line and this. Is that the biggest grin you've ever seen the captain looking at me as reach and reach the bridge he puts me how he's handling shoulder walk across the bridge at me and he says, this is why number nine do this from me do this team rights you've got this and I walked over the bridge and I walked away and Rodney. Thinking Oh. My. God. The Ryder Cups on the line he Utah also told me that down would win the Ryder Cup I I as I walked away thinking Oh my God i Hope I don't screw it up The help I felt the opposite I felt so empowered and unshackled the think I'm GonNa do this. I'm going to do it I'm GonNa do it and that was the mindset I did I chipped onto whatever it was ten twelve feet all the pocket. So that was kind of Management Sam did of me and he gave me responsibility sponsor ability out was was what I needed an on and I seem to relish it Gosh I wish I could root for for you. You know I as you're even as you're beaten us that that's a really cool story. I wish they'd almost me to forget how much I I root against him Europe. But that is a extremely cool story. I knew you'd be a great guy to kind of get those kind of nuggets from you've just seen so much stuff. In the in the course of playing and and becoming a captain and whatnot but go to Oh four I don't really have a whole lot on this but just kind of curious as to a building up towards your captaincy. What did you learn from Bernard longer as a captain or how different was that the next year and what are you? It seems like you vividly can picture how the the vibe and everything was for two thousand two but it did that change it all into two thousand and Ford continuity kind of speak to kind of what what's what would later come for Europe. It was a different vibe captain brings divide Chris. Barron was a lot more serious guy on them. You certainly wouldn't be playing music in the in the team room wear with some but that was okay we all had a huge amount of respect for Bernard Langer statesmen, the tour statements statesman of the team very dramatic in how he was going to captain. We knew that you know a meeting at seven o'clock meeting at seven not one minute past seven we all knew to be early. You know he would wait even though. We all be sitting down to five minutes to seventy wouldn't come into the meeting room until it was it was at seven o'clock and remember with a big long table like a big boardroom table in this marital Think we stayed in and outside of Detroit you know it was just a generic boardroom table I remember looking around before wanted to meetings and gone while it should be alive. We should have images on the wall here they should be alive we need to. Enough I'm ever captain one day if I'm you know I'm I'm going to have a tea room that's alive. That's you know a discount be just another marriage boardroom get anybody uses the should images on the wall I should've curtains carpet and I started dreaming of all these things which ultimately put in place in fourteen. So Bernard, was very and he was love more hands on to me as I evolved into because it was formulating my ideas all the time. He was a lot more hands on he was got involved in what the players were doing on the course something I didn't do in fact I did the opposite I stayed away from the players went around the Golf Carson. I didn't see my rollers town Roy mcelroy define modernist six are because with the wind hair you need to do this. Impulsive whatever the case may be, what's the? What's the reading of this book? The guys in front Mr by? By you know overeating on whatever. So what did what was very interesting was he stayed under par threes are generally confined to the few. The rates aren't. Really, good start here myself impolitic played tiger and Davis on the afternoon of the second day we to down after two we got ourselves back to maybe all square I think Turquin in Oakland Hills is the part I'm pretty sure thirteen. It's about one hundred, forty yards or so on. It's a two tiered green really narrow neatly narrow tear on top and a bunker behind the green. And it's all of a distance control. We were all square, maybe one up at that stage playing we definitely had the honour. So was products tee shot. This was the foursomes and debt cried behind the t box in stand Bernie comes over in his very dramatic way and Kinda gets it to was to get GonNa hit snow products whatever forty three he said that. He said that will be going out one forty three. Nine arm he said, no, he said I want you to which. Parts of the, what's the? What's the top tier? Says One, thirty, five he says Bernard I counted Wedge thirty-five. Get it on the top there. Bernie said I don't care I want you to hit it into the slow back down to the bottom of the hill he said but but that's going to really talk about he said Yeah I want you to come back down to. Make it look like you've hit a good shot. So beans, the dutiful player and he was at that stage. Donna Donna. Later in his career, he stood over thirty five shot pitched the Slope Balkan run down the hill and all the crowd when Ooh, behind all of that kind of product finish a lot to discuss. But he kind of looked like he was disappointed in fact, he probably was he was not a Baronet even though he'd never admitted on picked up a t and he kind of. Walked over to meet he looked at me with this really look like I was never gonNa data what what's this guy doing? Next of all tiger stands up his his his shot and he plays the most beautiful nine three quarter spin off. You know low the spin open the air distinct common down really really soft it pitches two feet from the pin hard bounce into the back bunker. And he looks at Davis Deka crazy hop beautifully. So Davis gets into the bunker and he's got no shah. On plays an unbelievable shot out just misses the flag catches a tear back down to where I was putting. I. Wrote a put up to two feet product oxidative. We win the whole. The point being burned not he saw the top Taylor rock-hard he saw that nobody could keep it on the top tier and get part of the information he hid under the bottom tier and You know there's the value of a captain getting involved in what the players do. Wow that is a that is quite the nugget I kind of I I hadn't I was wondering kind of where you're going with that and I thought it was gonna be you know the tiger was? GonNa think you know that Basically you were gonNA play off the tiger was going to get the yardage wrong and try to hit it to harden maybe fly the green but the fact that he knew it was that baked up there that's a that's an interesting interesting twists there. That's a very cool story. Yeah. Well, we would afford game dot day creosote stood on not in wash its first we go through and had the information assessed and how firm the top tier while so. Yeah, he put it in play now. I as a say when captain I didn't do that I didn't get involved with no one way you know and as we go on to speak about the Captaincy You my insights on what I did. It doesn't mean what I did is right is just what I thought was right and and what suited our team I think there's there's so many different ways to capture the team. I. Mean Savvy Status with around in a car instructed the players what to do what not to do. There was chaos behind the scenes by all accounts still ended up in a winning Ryder Cup talk and stuff there's no, there's no just one way of doing it i. what you have to do is kind of be true to your own personality and you have to Kinda, dream it up yourself, and I'm the dream comics need to be on how you're gonNA captain Racing forward to last year, for example, two years ago in Ed. In Paris Thomas Bjorn you know he was a very different captain what I did. It was a very much had a data driven approach. You know he looked at the American team. You know nine of the top twelve. I believe if I remember rightly nine at a top twelve were what will ranked outside the top honed driving accuracy only one I think Ricky Fowler for member right was the only guy who was the top. Fifty in driving accuracy. So they were kind of there were long team, but they were erotic. Yes. There were a lot of great players but you know hitting the ball on the ferry was was not something that they did. So you know he grew rough accordingly. We'd all played that French Open over the years I think every one of our players at a top ten finish over the years every one of the twelfth. Plan, that Tyke, off course any set it up so that would suit us and and and knocked the Americans, and you know that data driven approach was kind of how he set a out as a captain and put together some great carlings and we raise the victory. So there's different ways of approaching every every captaincies differently certainly in Europe is not, but we did exactly the same thing every time. Everybody. Comes with a slightly different approach. I'm sure it's different player to player to right how how? Individual players respond to some of that stuff and some would not respond very well, I'm sure to advice on the course or you know kind of a raw raw cheering atmosphere or more series atmosphere and and all that. It's yeah there's not like a a formula but I was GonNa say this question for later but we can kind of get into it because you just hinted at some of the Just just just not point Chris before before you go on I, just want to comment on that point there again, a great nugget that I learned my first Ryder. Cup was from Gaspar Parnevik to learn so much from very, very underrated person as well as a player. And he said to me when I was paying practice around the first match of the Ryder. Cup He said, Paul, is one thing remember playing in the Ryder Cup this week to an energy gonNA come from the crowd that you've never experienced before. Because plan a home is going to be a very strong positive energy to organic. Now you have to decide are you going to take that energy on a you GonNa ride at interact with the crowd get really involved on Kinda? Right? Like a surfer would ride a wave or? Bernard Langer you're going to be the duck underneath the water kind of slowly going about what he's doing and kind of disconnecting away from all that energy that's going to be out there. Neither one is right. Neither one is wrong. You have to determine which one is the best use a player, and then you act accordingly and that was great advice because i. was very much interactive guy with the crowd and I certainly learned a lot and got a lot from the crowd and impulse. You'd say we'll be something similar and not guys like price. It'd be very much underneath the radar kind of disconnected almost like I'm not planning to write a cup. This is just another match and that kind of mindset is expected for them. That's interesting and the nugget I was getting ready to get at though also is you know kind of talking about how the twenty eighteen team was structured. There you kind of alluded to the US team was weak and driving accuracy. I'm curious as to what you've seen over the years as to I. Don't know if it's typical mistakes. If that's a good question, what tipple go mistakes you see the team making or those captains making Just kind of a general discussion on you know what? What, what you would do have done differently than they did it or or what traps they may be fall into. Of course, you may not want to give out too much of this advice, but just gotTa wear. Where things have gone wrong. Again, you touched on that earlier about saying you know having the players pick the captain, etc but for fans it's kind of hard even as a die hard fan myself. It's hard for me to really. Put my finger on and say, this is what we're doing. Wrong. But I had had to think being on the side of. So many winning Ryder Cups that you would be able to share better insight on that. While again, I don't WanNa be given away too many secrets, but I will the same answer your question I I think there's a couple of things that would immediately spring to mind on on a lot of people will disagree with that I seventy fail at one of them is. Under this becomes more from the media than the players. Were written off very quickly. You know just because Taylor happened is not winning the PGA tour. We're kind of dismissed on a chip broke something You know in advance in a right after you know your Merica were very giddy winning in in New York and the president's about how this is going to be the future we're going to knock. Cups to oblivion going forward. You know maybe it was said in jest whatever. But I'll tell you what it really resonated with us. It hurts US and. The lack of respect considering how which we done in Ryder Cups over the previous years really hit home on Unin energize us and I think rory references in this press conference. Afterwards, there's you know at the time the number one player in the world stake in an out to say now now, what have you got to say and those kind of things although it might be said in jest and I noticed journalists, there's GonNa be narratives out there. And you tonic rates often but we loved dot com of staff. You know Paul is dismissing a few months ago I. Know I know we kinda regretted it because he understood understood the mistake he made but dismissing Kinda Tommy fleetwood because he never wanted a PGA tour, you know those kind of things and apart megyn he realized he made a mistake and all over trying to rectify, but that's playing right into our hands. So respecting your opponent. You no matter what it is and is massively important and uneven a media person or somebody comes out and. Says something like that. It's important nip it in aboard quickly as the Captain Nip it in board and say that's not what we feel as a player. He might be writing that as a journalist but you know I didn't hear any of that from the containment i. Respecting your opponent. No matter what it would be whether it'd be in business whether it be in any kind of sport where being the right a cope wetherby war no matter what it is. We all know you know I would have engagement is still respect impovements. I think there's a bit of that goes on On. As I say it's not just one of the players but there is part of that goes on I think also the expectation on the American team is huge you know what I talked about the The phone element that we bring to the European Ryder Cup team of something that I really tried to highlight bring as much as possible into our team was that element of fun. I still cdot Pichit of Sam Torrance leaning against the bridge eighteenth. With all the pressure in the world on him and analysis a team with this massive grin on his face like this was not the most important thing. You're ever GONNA do the. This golf is a sport and I'll keep it in context. You know I think we been back to the table and we deal without a whole lot more better than than a whole lot better than than what the American team do I think data driven approach the Thomas put into play in two thousand, eighteen spectacular someone apparently seeking mope with based on data were fabulous than how he set the golf course up based on data was absolutely. Genius, some eighty took where Americans were weakened any highlighted and we were really well prepared for the examination paper that that was that was a US Open style settled, and we as a team were really well prepared for dot uneven going down to Thomas's picks. Much, as he got criticized because out of form, he picks extent some he picked the two of them as much as probably deserve a pick because it farm but he picked him because he knew this was going to be a test, the fairways Greens and to better guys in the Game Been Fairways Greens than Sergio on Henryk over the last ten years but never give away an immediate never said he picked them took all the flack on the head but he was preparing for the exam that that of course was going to be and I think we will read really prepared for this and I don't know if the American team where. Switching back to your one more event from you as a as a player in the Ryder Cup I got you gotta take us to two thousand six as to what what happened at the end of end of your singles match their the the result of the Ryder Cup was not in question as Europe just absolutely dominated that year, but the tickets to your singles match. Playing JJ JJ Henry and and. Look I mean that was it was a writer cope where we romped to victory at the very strong team we were very much driven fueled by the emotion of Darren's wife had her. Who Live. Right next door to US actually here in Sunningdale we had. A gate in the garden between us that connected to two houses So I kinda certainly personally lived through those last two years of a life when she knew she terrible cancer and slowly slowly went downhill and then passed away in August Pga. Week you know the Ryder Cup was only what five weeks later on down internal place we're very much driven by that emotion at the team room down was a pick and. And you know went onto to play hello weekly and we were we have very strong. T don't fairness I know the Americans get criticized. For, getting beaten badly there but I mean, we were first of all very energized team as I say secondly, we would have very very strong team if I remember rightly hand extended in Robert, Karlsson. Two picks that year you know he went off stellar careers both Robert Win in the art America we were really strong to twelve. We have good parents in place and was he was a great captain because he kept hypocrites I mean there's you know there's all the different styles of captains are interesting to analyze and was he wasn't a rocket science. It certainly wasn't a data driven approach to weigh the. Thomas. As well as his was more a case of you to fight. Weather passed off. You go again you know allows vol you've played well in the past with ABC zero off you go You know Paul said, well, the product off you got you know he just he took he took fundamentals, imperatives and stuff that worked in the past and Kinda got out of his get out of everybody's way and lead the quality of the team come through, and that's what we did my singles much Jj. As you said, the radical over at that stage that usual coming from the sixteenth. Grain. Onda Donald's Macci concluded that stage eighty five in the Cato Bova Water I'd hit the fairly Jay was in a bunker machos all square I hit the best. Of. My life over the over the water to by forty feet behind the flag flies in front of the. Green Jj laid up. One hundred, twenty yards pitched onto twenty five feet. I Guess Amaral my put down dead on them as was walking off the green jj conceited. Walked my not eat at twenty, five Florida for half matching and a half point. and. Walked off the Green Streaker K, run 'EM, pass a male streak. Mad Say I remember at a big Arrow one is backward with a when at point towards the nineteen tall on a turn to 'em. I turned to decimate he was vice topless at my God what do I do here at this stage the road were charity going around a green I knew was going to jump in the water and if you read what I said as I walked off the greed because the camera was facing, you could see I could say to them don't run on his line don't run on his line instead of twice the guy just kind of breeze by me and he ran off and he's waving at the crowd and expert start doing circles around Jj who's lining up his paw. So, I walked over to Jay said, pick it up, pick it up. Let's call it a half. Much Ha conceded the twenty twenty, five platoon on. Yeah. I. Mean it didn't make a difference to cope was worn at that stage but I guess playing records makes a difference in a lot of people came up to me afterwards and still to this day are mad because the be back to win. With the bookies still not as was he every time he's a few drinks out of now. See now that this day you need a record, McGinley of one dot game I don't WanNA, write a couple Reagan's margin after that everyone lord and lying are more than anybody you cost me though I think he's half serious. I don't think Monty is is is is giving up that singles record and and conceding that but. Now, not a maintenance. Again, you know sorta think about going back to the. To the underestimation of in European and and mad monty was Britain on a team room Chris he was just phenomenal not because you know saying with the impulsive neither them stand Kinda, rip it on the kind of we got. You know they're not the kind of lionheart it guys that you'd expect them to be both are actually quite quiet in the team room are but there's a real air of a resoluteness about them on bring it on on. Don't worry. We got this covered I'm not swat then they will bring to the party on to be part of a STOIC. Guys like Lee West another one and easily dismissed them certainly in the media in America there is very quickly because they're not having won a major newlyweds a major. There's no talk to guys that I ever played against competed against them the Westwood on Monte, and and yet a lot of you know a lot of their records and despite winning massively around the world, both of them dismiss very quickly because Adam won a major and I think that's fair. Yeah. I never understood why winning a major would help you lead a bunch of professionals in a team event I just I. Even, you don't even have to have been you know an amazing player or anything it it. It just seems like a weird kind of prerequisite that the US team seems to emphasize a lot really until until Steve stricker becoming the captain but I've never never really understood. Yeah. Well, I mean. Were in Europe to be on Chris I. Kind of was a little bit of the game. Changer not regard I mean if it just bring you back to two, thousand twelve allows with a captain a miracle in Medina how he won that was amazing. That's a story in itself. I was vice captain. I had already captain twice in. Europe at that stage, what's called a savvy trophy, which is the best hand from Europe against the best hand from Continental Europe, and we had a heavily underdog team on two occasions and I was captain and both times one. That's when I kinda got this sense of gotTa this comes easy to me. To meet in hidden a golf ball I enjoyed this I looked into strategy I, looked on the team management I looked at talking with the players I looked the psychology and the media look how we put it together with a really really undervalued team. You know the big star players like Luke at the time Paul. Poulton those guys you know they went playing they were over America plan and I was. At, the European team had Stinson and calls of these guys plan and we were heavily underdog. I took that team to victory, and that's when I kinda gone. The radar you mcelroy came through with that stage two in his rookie year he was on the team captain in as well as Greg MacDonald on we went onto as I say, went on to win and that was kind of along with my vice captaincy. Put me position to be right a cook Catholic. But when did a bake came up into players comedian picky and immediate beforehand and players views as to who should be the next captain. The view of a lot of people was well on the on the next guy in line But then if you have a lot of other people while while you now he hasn't won a major McGinnis. He's not being a star superstar the game in Europe yes he's played on three Ryder Cups. Book. You. Know he's always been six to twelve in the team. He's one of the also rounds when it comes to the team, you know we gotta look for we're going up against. Tom Watson Captain American team we need to have a big stealer big name to be able to sit at a press conference in kind kinda go ahead against one of the greats of the game and Tom Watson I wanted to scream even though obviously didn't to the media but I wanted to scream show me the correlation between the better player to better to captain there is them you know Jack Nicklaus. Is the greatest player of all time car into major wins and yet he lost his an inside captains on a golf course designed in his home state of Columbus, Fowler was our greatest player you know and he'd lost. You know comfortably in two thousand and eight as show me the correlation that in order to be a great captain or a great leader, you have to have a stellar record and I, think that was a mistake. America will make for a number of years and. The posthouse force now going forward if that's going to change because you don't have to win a major to the to be a great Ryder Cup captain leading man, and in fact, the say the opposite the traits that you need this is just my own hunch of. The traits that you need to be a stellar name in the game are to be a stellar winner in the game, a prolific winner in the game in terms of major championships, not driving an individual sport that you need to be so driven. So self centered. So selfish. So incredibly about you you, you know those traits don't translate into leading twelve people. The two different two different skill sets and I think that's where the disconnect comes between the two and that's my home. Generally, that's my. Well. I think at a certain point as well A. I would say you had a very strong team. If I'm looking objectively at twenty fourteen team, I would say that it's a much stronger team Europe fielded in twenty say twenty, sixteen, two, thousand, twelve team was a very strong team. At a certain point though you know it, it does become somewhat about the players and how well they play. Obviously, there's the captain can do a lot of things to draw that out of them but at the same time, also there's also no substitute for just strong town on a team. Is that fair to say? Absolutely, there's no doubt about that on me. He can be best captain later that you WanNa be in any business. But if you don't have the talent to work with, you're really going to have a bottle and you know I was very fortunate. I'm with a wonderful team I had already mcelroy writing the top of his game, for example, world number one at one, two majors that year you know. The top top of the order I mean, you know I had a very strong team Garcia stance in rose on me wherever you go. You know I seem to have a lot of strength we're playing at home but. was important as a captain that you don't play on not too much certainly, not an immediate. You don't WanNa. Build yourself up under promise over liberty is a great mantra paired many times in different facets of life not just in in in Captaincy, and that's Kinda where where I was out with it. But. At the same time it needed organization. You know you just don't put the pairings together. Now you go and step back off you know you have to create a platform for these guys to excel as a captain and often data's Don true simplicity and clarity, and these are in my view certainly the most successful ones they liked structured like organization that like to know exactly what's going to happen they don't like things coming out of left field long they like a nice easy relaxed atmosphere evening times, and they were all kinds of things that I have to do to create a platform. Then in terms of communication, it's very important that you're. For me having having. A lot of integrity with the players and being really honest with them. Never telling a lie never tell them be s never telling them stuff that they. You know they're not going to believe as a player. That's what I wanted. I just wanted to be straight talk straight and and that's what I like to think that how I dealt with all twelve of the players you know it wasn't a case of of Shirley anything you have. To be really really honest and clear with them. put a strategy in place and you know I was I. Think you know looking back and reflecting back on my captaincy reflecting back on, you know successful competencies whether it be American whether it be European I think that's what the captain bring to the table. Certainly Zinger did that with pod system you know he brought a lot of clarity and volume from players with what he did with that. Personally I, have a hunch on this on. You know my hunch is because I wasn't what we call a superstar game by any means and certainly not a major winner but it made me think about the game and I ride a cop said I played in and Ryder Cup captaincy. It may be thinking a very roundabout way because I had to think in I the skill set to go out and overpower golf course or the game never came particularly easy to be so I have to think in a very broadway about what I have to. Do in order to compete on it, you know players who are not as talented have to think in a different way a different approach to the game in order to compete against the more talented ones, and and that's where you know my view is that radical captaincies from players who may not have been the very, very top echelon of the game are guys seemed accelerate the captaincy because they've got they've got a much deeper thought process on the game. It's not a blinkered view of basically reaching the pinnacle as a player on his player only. To be honest again, you're probably going out in the saying this but I I think that also extends into the telecast on into certainly my role as a as an analyst golfing I watched broncos shambles. Well, you know the easiest these kick the can give also. Mcginley are what's gotta gotTa know that the game of golf and never were to stop player to never never won the the number one may jump than ever competed regularly at the very top level and granted. That's a fair criticism. But at the same time you know bramble and certainly me how to think on our feet we have to think of the game in a very, very rounded way in order for us to get an edge and I'd like to think that that's what both of us would bring in the what when we do sit down the telecasts is that we have a more rounded and more relatable to the. Guy Sitting back in his armchair because you know the game never came easy to a second I could speak for him saying that at the same time you know it's great to have a Nick follower you've are as you're have that inside of guys 'em who did reach the very pinnacle of the game but I think you know good TV telecasts comes from comes combination about the just because somebody wasn't a great player it's it's it doesn't mean that can't be a great captain and just because somebody wasn't a major winner was a main they can be a real cutting analysts when it comes to to the game of golf. That's really interesting. I thought about that a lot with when it comes to broadcasters in how you know I I may disagree with some things brand says, but it's not because he a his lack of experience or the fact that he's only one time that he's been there, and if anything some people like yourself and brand whose perspective is look I've been there I've competed with these guys I've gone toe to toe them and I can recognize the you know the skills and the people that have been you know been able to separate themselves from someone at at my level. That has a lot of value and sometimes I think the more success you have it can cloud your views on certain things and not be able to appreciate certain things and as you said, how that contributes to Captaincy I've never really thought of it that way in terms of. You know when you're a top top top player in the Game Phil has not been a captain yet but let's just say Phil, Mickelson, you're used to kind of having things your way in general for twenty thirty years now of. Whatever it is you know with sponsors with every time you walk into the room. You're tigers right there. You're you're the best player. In that room career wise and all that and that you know how does that affect your decision making everything you do in life that I would imagine that's very different for someone. Like yourself who's has kind of been had a lot of success but not the not to that same level absolutely I mean. You're talking about it ride cook team from six to twelve. I was that soldier what's like I know how to manage those guys who's that's where I was I know what? It's like to be toll psychologically when when the captain says Oh by the way, you don't even play three matches out of the five or you're gonNA play two matches out of the five. Are you know you're gonNA play down the order whatever and the focus is on the players I now that I'm Sitting down was announced captain I was very honest myself and. I wanted to know what the psyche was like at the top players. So I made it my business to get to know what way the top players think and also how to manage rea- superstars So over here in in Europe I'm sure it's getting bigger now into states. Soccer is is a huge game over here on Alex Ferguson. was. That was the manager remind united probably the most decorated successful manager in the history of soccer club level and. He was a guy I saw it out and prior to the Ryder Cup Captaincy with a couple of Nice lunches. Nice Butler wine over lunch up in their open Manchester where he lives I met him on two occasions there as well as numbers Johnson the phone, and you know it wasn't just a case of you know I'm Paul McGinley. I'm now Ryder, Cup captain tell me how to lead and how to manage a team up they're very organized and with my notebook out specific questions in areas that I wanted to hit him with on had to be very careful that I wasn't getting sucked into drink in a really good whiny button to favor and. But my question to him were very much along the lines of of that you know, how do you manage Ronaldo are how do you manage a David Beckham Ryan Giggs going into a big huge game what are you doing media? Howdy position on what do you do? We communication them how do you? How do you communicate with them with the players in the room as well? What do you say to them at room meet at a team meetings? What kind of psyche these players have? How do I? How do I get into that psyche? How do I get credibility from them? All of those kind of questions. Were were ones that that that he in particular I was picking picking the brains off because when you become Ryder Cup captain the you're not given a manual. All you have is your own experience and it's important to kind of isolate where the areas that you know. We are strong I mean we all have and we all think we were strong in certain areas but where my week and it's finding finding people who can help you on lock those questions that you might have the answer to and that was A. Big Part of my captaincy at that mentoring and wasn't just Alex Ferguson. There's a few other people. I'm not too many. But a few people that Garnet opinion on but I only went with specific questions not with a whole generalization of what I should do. And that's where I was planning to ask you about the controversy that surrounded leading up to you being selected as captain. In two, thousand fourteen and just kind of how they played out and calm combining some of the earlier things you said along with what you just mentioned on. Some people saying they needed a stalwart or somebody with a great record to go up against Tom? Watson one I never understood that argument, but it became a public spat in some ways in that I don't know what your relationship was like with Darren Clarke leading up to it. I don't know if he was necessarily the ringleader saying that you know potentially somebody like monty should be elected as captain he four years after. Captaining, Celtic Manor. But can you kind of take us through that time I don't know you just touched on it some but you know who was in support what what kind of support you felt and got and how that whole thing went down remember being very confused at the time and it's somewhat cleared up for me but it's still kind of confusing. It's confusing to me Chris the only won't. It was that it was a horrible time to be honest. I may know I kind of three from post Medina which was September two thousand twelve to me being announced in. January two, thousand thirteen was a horrible period shown in my life because I felt that I'd I'd I'd I had the C. You know not loan the plate at three Ryder Cup sin but a captain twice Europe to victory in the seven trophy which was huge and in some ways my captaincy both is better than what I ended up doing. I really do feel out dominant strategies I use the mind the quality of player with all due respect to how my disposal compared to the Europeans great to like put a strategy in place of leading from the front established views of. You know using the best players kind a high. There was the whole thing went on behind and I ended up we under wind out, and then you know my vice competencies went wild where I was vice captain, the money in two thousand, ten vice captain to To. Allows Obama two thousand twelve we'd one on both occasions and you know now don't five Ryder Cups in all positive experiences. We'd want all five. And I felt that I was on the escalator and I I I I was the right guy to be, and then out of left field without even speaking to me Don did a press conference on announced that he wanted to be captain and nobody saw common nobody expected it and all of a sudden it's like, wow, where did I come from an nobody's more surprised than me and of course. At that stage down Donald a big name he's a lot of charisma on the big golfing CV He wasn't major winner at that stage and and you know a lot of media and a lot of people said, yeah you know what? Darren and is is is the guy You know to be the next captain and it was like, Oh, my God, I'm going to get pushed out here and Donald Spade work. But Luckily, for me, a lot of the players stood on my shoulder. All on name a few Donald, impulse, her uncertainty mcelroy who ended up being a number one player in the world and come in very influential all come out very strongly initially to social media, and then through the media that I should be the captain I think Darren realized and the writing on the wall that maybe this wasn't his turned that he needed to wait. And then believably instead of withdrawing and kind of saying you know what? Maybe this is not my time I'm happy to wait and you know probably a great captain he she said that. I don't WanNa be, but maybe Monte should be. Stop turn it off in a whole different a different time to Nafta that the kind of you know I didn't see anything to the media, but I was very distraught about it and very upset that I might end up being captain but looking at the state of the players come out on my side. And the players ultimately will make enough decision because players committee were very highly influenced by talk player said Luckily, when it came to that meeting, it was a two-horse race between my Monte, on on the committee decided that I would be the guy you know, did it affect my relationship with Darren? Absolutely you know hasn't been repaired yet to announce extensive house. I'm very fond of Donald. We've gone through a huge amount in our careers together like I said earlier with Heather in everything you know we grew up together. Thanks to golf are right through careers. Donald One of my very best friends on tour and You know he he he he wrote me afterwards apologized on all of those things and of course, acceptance apology and of course, it was one of those things in between the relationship between bullet goes wrong on it did go wrong. But if I go out for dinner with our now gopher drink with golfer absolutely every day of the week Mel Problem It's you know we've got bygones be bygones any move arm out, but it was a it was a tough time to be honest. It was a very tough time and particularly because it really affected by relationship. With Darren well, do at least believe that he. Bear with me on this one that he was doing in his own mind and in his heart that he was honestly doing what he thought was best for the team than it wasn't personal towards you. where I'm coming from is he knew it would affect your relationship and he was still willing to do it because it was what he believed whether or not he's right or. Wrong completely ignoring whether he's right or wrong. Do you at least see that way at all I I do see it that way and that's how I get Pasta Chris do do see it that way and I see it that that was his view wasn't a lead with that was his view I do honestly think he was doing it because he was worried that might. CV and my pedigree going up against Tom Watson was gonNA. Really hurt at the European team i. think that was what's driving as much as anything else. Yeah. That's that's just the way it is on and he saw it that way. I would have looked to data, and again, my argument would be showing me to correlation. Darren. Between the better the player to better to captain show me the fact that you have to have won a major to be a great captain because there is no correlation, you can't do you mean I'm. Excuse me they may be parked on them. Of the London business school here in one of the top business schools in the world. The Leadership Institute made me a an executive fellow post a of my captaincy. It's used as a case study. Now, every year and Sloan core set for release students and at I go in and I lecture on on the case study at every year for the last five years on. As. Well, as that of also got involved the leadership institute there and we've expanded this this feeling I've got a This question of you know those the best businessmen make the best leader you know those. Those the best captain in football you know the best footballer make the best at manager. There's certainly no correlation in sport but I've we've kind of done a thesis on it at London Business School. going into leadership in business, and again you know the correlation is quite clear The mindset to be driven to be the best in the world at what you do shut translated to be the best and in terms of leading people. Makes Sense in the world to me. So now that you have the rains, what where would you say from previous captains you either captained under or played for you know kind of where you pulling what from come up with your own style and then eventually, I want to talk to you about what happens when you get to gleneagles how are you saying? Here's my here's my team and here's how I'm setting up the golf course in. Here's how My Ryder Cups to go maybe maybe too many questions there. But I'm wondering if you can to build into your philosophy basically was as a captain and how you went about setting up the golf course. So my philosophy of the captain was very much a long lines of sometimes it was about communication. It was a bad relationships it without managing relationships. I mean, I didn't have twelve guys that I knew really well, I knew a lot of them well. And some were easy to manage and some are more difficult. You know to do Basan had made team who you know all the French guys tour telling me he was kicked off the French team when he was an amateur out kicked out of the federation he went around close it wouldn't be told what to do. We won't do not meetings and Olive Alison that was highlighted the red flag to me so I. Made, it really made it my business but a lot of effort into managing him and I did that by getting a person remember going to Malaysia for a week where he was playing and spending a week I'm having dinner with him at night and trying to break down his barrier that he had as a human tried to get me into it. He's very trustworthy people and and you know try to get him in. There took him down to Monaco we about the wine on a on a friend of mine. WHO's a Formula One team new Formula One got him into that environment got him in an ice kind of know county managed them slowly brought him into the team. Then grabbed got ran dowell to play a part as a senior guy neither seen a guy not to talk the Jello grain into claimed that role at raigmore. Could. Play a big role. He wanted to be one of the stars of the team playing all five games and I said, no grandma, his plan stage I was formulating the plan of WHO's GonNa play just like Sam me in the IT UP BMW on away down with a Butler champagne he had plan on I was going to have a plan and I was starting to formulate the plan plead out right a cup. Of who was gonNA play with WHO and on a question of when Ryder Cup came was gonNA roll out plan. It wasn't making look I went. It wasn't making it up two days before this was going to be made up well advanced base into statistics based on on on the golf course and M and that was going to be the planet and that the the the communication got planned to each individual player and not telling them like Sam did what everybody else is doing so for example, you know rory wasn't aware of who else was doing, what detained except who would be playing one who's potential partners where many? That's all he needed to know whereas victor saying, you know you're going to be playing too much as you wanted to play Graham in the fortunes of I two days, and then you're gonNA play. This thing is going to be playing three notches. Then with Graham A. Little bit of the in the Yang. So trying to get Graham convinced to play this role of only client three out of five matches was not anything. You know Graham like all players has got an eagle he wanted to play five and he's coming off know not long after the US Open champion on a big star a you know an Edina absolute hero in two thousand ten and really wanted to play that big old lead role and. I had a little bit of a small phone play a very important one attempted looking after one of the rookies plans to matches in a difficult format that as foursomes on a have to try and convince them do the right thing to do. So I did it in by talking to him on a humane level and also on a common sense level, and I sat down based on what I knew what statistics and what I called out Honestly look the real key to unlock this golf course based on on the Stocks that I've got it over the last ten years Johnnie Walker around goes golf course is the fact that the real key is unlocking the par fives this four-pack in his golf courses while driveable four. Now they're all big pie fives and what I really want to do is a WanNa have the the bigger hit of driving on these calls four out of those five holes or even numbers game I really need. You're not one of the bigger hitters I need to put you in a big hitter on I need you to. Look after the guy who's is in who needs somebody senior amateur on the team and nobody better than you to play that role, and then I took out the outage map. When I showed him, you know your average drive down to second Graham is is he can't get home into whereas he drive you're able to get to and then slowly went around the golf course that way when it comes to fourteen, he can drive the great the grant because it's an even number it'll be his driving hall whereas you know if you're. Driving on that and you're GONNA have to lay it up and so my forces partnerships will union young had a big eater and a shorter hitter in each partnership in order to attack the fives with the bigger hit or driving on the on the even numbers. So if he played that role forum, I then gave them the Cherry of say, look if you do this for me on, put out number one under singles in two weeks time I'll put you leading out the team singles. Now plan to his EGO and plan to. Enroll, me wanted to play really what will always say about that then said good with all of this we're gonNA parolee up number three because putting out number one expectation shoulders I know the last two European captains have put him out number one, but that hasn't worked out too. Well, he's of his games you know I personally wouldn't be putting out the best player number one because they've got nowhere to go number one at expected to win as a huge amount of expectations of shoulders, and that was my my my. said. Michael, instinct is the best number, one street fighters. The guys are the biggest heart that's the number one gram, and you're the guy with the biggest heart and his team. So you know it was all about managing not just an example of the communication about Adwa Graham. So he went away then he played his two games with with Victor they wound both our games and grain was terrific and then he went out number one singles on one. In the singles and you know the European tomato about playing the same as grants looked Graham, if you play this role in the first few days, I've only playing one match. You're going to have an advantage in singles and advantage will be America are going to do one or two things they bought Saturday always don't want to things that a lot of doubt the best player number one audit put out the player who's playing the best that week. I'd away. Graham. They will fade seventy two holes in the first two days. You only have paid thirty six. You're going to be fresh or going out against whoever your plan against the matter who it is, and that's ultimately what happened. You know he went out against Jordan speak who was their best player and and Jordan tired I mean Jordan three but Wednesday Graham. But faded Dan as grandma not to win two months. So all conversations were two weeks in advance of the Ryder Cup Graham new well-advanced underwriter copy exactly. What will play on? That's ultimately what happened. This is clearing up so much for me so much confusion as to why you guys win so much in how everything works like. That is that just that's just what managing one guy right there. That's not even can you can you get guy is that's that's the lead example. Maybe you go to any other examples of how you how you went about managing other pairings or anything like that because I was some of the most insightful stuff I can never remember hearing on this podcast. Yeah. How many look I mean I get it wrong as well. Let's say it's not a perfect science and I got it wrong to I. Give an example of getting it wrong. Regrets about the Ryder Cup Captaincy one on is that you don't captain everybody the same level of Captain Graham obviously really well, and crop victor very well and unroadworthy very well, they they all play Great Justin Rose Henrik you know they're all stars of the team but some guys you don't captain as well on one of them was was impulsive I felt that let them down in was one of the guys at least for me to be captain out very vocally and and in terms of me being the captain and them. and An. Almost to the point that. He was so strong and I also felt he was versatile that I kind of not the elected on but I kind of I didn't put as much energy into managing him as I showed done. And your guy did that too was was was stephen. WHO ended up in a lot next Monday, and if there was one more pick if the wound law qualified, it was him. He just missed out by wound shot in the last qualifying event. David Howard chef sixty two in jumped into second place and if you had to be second on his own were qualify for the team and he was Scottish up the road I need one around Gleneagles So I ended up picking them but I made a mistake there. Chris of I didn't think that Steve had that performance in the last qualifying event in Italy he had his chances over Uspga over in the World Series on the weeks before he hadn't taken them yet a number of opportunities to get points on the board and confirmed spot team hadn't taken. I thought he was he saw a finish line and he was slow in coming to the finish line rider mix eight. So I picked them don't regret not picking absolutely not as. He just missed out on a team that performance was tremendous in in in a in the last qualifying event. So moving onto the Ryder Cup because I've taken off my eye off the ball with him, I hadn't didn't think he was gonNA make team. I hadn't put the state with him that I did with Victor and hadn't prepared him to play with a partner and then come up with the idea that kind of the last minute come the week before or. To, do Steve Geller and nominee you don't WANNA play rookies. In the first morning you know we we were playing. The first morning were falls on reason why went falls is that we've always done that when we'd always gone would fall bulbs I. Ultimately, you don't WanNa, play a rookies in the morning there Stephen Gallard is not a fall is a fall ball player which more so than a foursomes player so I felt like had to put out the first morning because. I wanted to play all twelve players I. Eh, they'd all made the team on to show confidence won't be twelve bomb out you go guys we're not GonNa win this Ryder Cup at eight or nine years we're GonNa it with twelve. That was a very important message I want to get across was he did out in in two thousand six he said that in the meeting and I certainly is a player who was six to twelve. The team was very happy. When I knew I was going to be playing the first day green. He managed me well and he built me open I. Think it's important thing to do as a captain. So I wanted to call him out in the first morning but I have to put him out in the fall and I had to put him out in the first series of matches. saw has taken a bit of a chance because you want you don't want to get away without stock you. Know. You WanNa be putting your experience players out in the first morning. So I can open a great idea Dan you know stevie Scottish he's one on this golf course he lives a couple of miles down the road were playing in. Scotland is going to be a huge crowd around up i. they're all going to be watching the Scott Steve is going to have an unbelievable energy and in in this game and the best guy in our team who's GonNa feed. Off that energy is in Polka I talked in into doing that role on a cop them into plan which they even got her ultimately they just never ignited. They got beaten got beaten heavily and I wasn't prepared what either player for not and you know one of the things that got wrong in terms of pairing listen. If we had more time, I could give you through every single pairing a as the why come up with it and for what reason was but. Not Not all of them workout. Now, it's an imperfect science being the captain well, that can be part two of the podcast and we will definitely do again. But before I go I do I. Do want to at least get a question in about your work with sky We've made it no secret. We're not exactly fans of how golf is produced in the US and I've always loved how do it in Sky When I lived in Europe. I got to watch their telecast and it was fantastic. But is the difference obvious to you. I don't know how much you know of the US golf to get to watch. But I do know there are events where you guys just get a feed from one of the US networks and what's that like how does it make your job easier or harder and kind of wondering how you could compare and contrast the two Yeah me look. Don't want to be critical of anybody else's work out but one of the things that's hurt me as an analyst with Sky Chris is modernism with the players because one of the things I promise I was going to do it is I would never say something I didn't believe I was going to be absolutely honest in in what appraise the was. and. Sometimes, you've got to say something about players that you know they're not GonNa Light, but you've got to highlight something with them. You Know Rory is a prime example always asked about Roy artists connection, a cook connection and all about, and you know Roy your friend and was at his wedding and. On Rotary stood up for me when I was going to be right a cup captain and. A Lotta? History, Rory mcilroy but at the same time, I've got to give a balanced view on I've gotta give an insight in all and US Open I I don't fancy ready. To win around a really tight golf courses these never he's never performed on a really difficult costs. You know he's one twenty, eight times on tour and all would a winning score of minus twelve are better. I. Always won't buy a number shots on occasion but still you know determined that he did win and by a number shots, you noticed twenty odd guys underpass. So it wasn't really you know when he wanted congressional he couldn't call out a really difficult. Uso. Golf course. So having to give that insight. Affects my relationship but rony because I know that he's upset that I don't. have his back and I'm not kind of cheerleading farm. So. That's the consequence of being in the media. It's not something. You know that I do enjoy doing but I've got to give that the balanced view you know as I say, I don't to be critical while other players. Odor expires do and other people do it on their shelves but you know there's not a lot of balanced view this there's a there's a lot of cheerleading under a lot of positivity around everything and Golf as we all know is not a game that you can be incredibly positive all the time about and Vicky about players and you can't just put it down to having a bad day. Sometimes, there's an insight there you've gotta give that's what I try to do but you. Know as a whole is some great analysts that in America as well too but there's very different vibe in all. It's a it's a much more positive vibe, the American coverage and a lot of people like that. It's a lot more positive. A lot more will be a lot more show the shots come thick and fast constantly giving the upside of the positivity but I think that's Americans by nature. You know you're a very, very positive nation in general you know we're we're. Certainly in the UK and all where we'll converged redone than you would be in America and and. I guess. Maybe that comes through in the in the coverage. Yeah I I I prefer the budgetary. That's that's what I'd like. It's a lot more real in my. Life I took you a lot for longer than I said I would but it was absolutely brilliant stuff and we really appreciate you you spend the time with Paul and sharing your insights I'm sure listeners are going to love listen to this and we'll have to do it again. Sometimes thank you pleasure, Chris, thanks for having me on and hoping you away too many. European secrets. I'm going to have to go back. I might have to send these around some of the American players to see if they can implement some of these things. But now I think you'd probably say, thanks so and we'll do it again chairs. All right. Thank you bye-bye. Beater Right Club today. Yes That's Better than. Most About him. It is better than most. got. Expecting

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The Sessions at Midori House: Bill Ryder-Jones

Monocle 24: Culture with Robert Bound

17:18 min | 2 years ago

The Sessions at Midori House: Bill Ryder-Jones

"Eight. Let's do it man. Bill rotted Jones on this cold. There's something on your mind. Welcome to the sessions at majori house guest this week is Bill Ryder Jones, as we shall learn Bill isn't altogether. Sure. What being a solo artist even means? But it is as such that he seems to have established himself. The former lead guitarist with the coral is now nearly a decade into a restless yet distinguished career under his own name. The latest fruit of which is a fine new album called yawn. This. You'll. This. Stones. Twisting to straight line. Change. Circumstance. So too much. Butch. To be. Everyone wants. Well, this one thing your. Put. Twist. Straight. Change. So. This is so. Almost. Slightly. Does. Stars. I did want to start by asking by one line from one of the songs that she played this something on your mind, which was that the line, and, you know, which ones coming about there being a fortune to be had from telling people, you're sad when you wrote that did you have a moment of thinking, I have just entirely demystified pop music right there. No. Because it's not true in my case. You know, it be true. If Morrissey said it. He's rich. I'm skin. That's just the way. It is. I just thought it was funny. You know, something you were reflecting on. I guess in response to the response to the previous record which had been an extremely personal one. Yeah. Conscious decisions right less than. It's a slight less cohesion. I didn't wanna like full. What was that men? Emma mind on other people quite so much to be us. What happened with? It was more important to me that I write I was writing to formalities than the last record. So that's where it starts with me with maladies always knew it didn't want wanna write immediate catchy melodies. That's not what I like. And that's where it fallen into. I didn't want to write those melodies fairly effort before. And as a result working so hard on that. I realized that the lyrics should probably follow suit something you actually needed to talk yourself out of the because there will be a lot of people who've attempted to write songs, we will hear that gnash their teeth because melody I think we'll have always thought is the tricky bit to right to come up with a melody that people. He wants remember forever. He's no small trick. That's not something many people can do. It's like, I think I think to be good at Edison. You gotta have half, determination and half that silent, you know. And sometimes they just fall out there as it's been set by sell many, great writers. And sometimes she got half a melody and have to push the notes around Lucca Sadako. Got it. Right. You know, this song it's called. And then there's you. Number. It's easy to chain. No. If I only. So again. Everything. Something. I do too. Everything strain. Once owned. Is all. A one. Man true. Strew see? True, smartness true. True. True. Oh. It's true smile. True. Loan with. True true. True. Say okay. True true. True smile true. See? True. True. Say. True. True. How much of any given record? You make certainly your solar records have all been extremely different is is a reflection on what you happen to be listening to at the time. Yeah, that's all. It is. I mean, I don't. Aside from the first one which was. What it was the others in my mind that different like this the only differences. Not much piano on the third record, heavy guitars. But still I think about something like off about wind blows, my heart still like brushes and quiet electric guitars. And there's something on your mind is is just start should she's an electric guitars got some kind of re ABS and things going on the kind of hadn't done before. It's not not huge changes in my mind. The lot more happy bits on this record book, but you have slightly right? I mean, I don't like have any ego about being honest with you know, how important bands like dose turn right else payers, and and bet had and lower to me when I was making this record any you know, I said the same about about those my heart and how obsessed with the Gorky. So I was. You completely comfortable now with the idea of yourself as a solo artist. Is there anything you miss about being in a band now? Well, I'm not completely comfortable being Acela. And there's nothing on this about found either. I mean, I've still got I've got I've got me mates play with me when I go away until and they'll I'm best friends. I don't miss having to share attention. On only child. This song is called either. You've been listening to the sessions at Madari house. This week's performance was by Bill Ryder Jones. He's new album yawn is out. Now Bill is playing European dates for the rest of this year and into two thousand nineteen you can find tickets online details at he's website. The show was produced by Holly Fischer and recorded and mixed by Alex Felix. We'll be back at the same time next week with live music by Joseph. But until then I'm Andrew Miller. Thanks for listening. You still play. No. Every day. Yes. Juiced. Me. I have this train. I. Why? No, I don't feel Channing. Right. Bye.

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Matt Cardona fka Zack Ryder - Notsam Wrestling 294

Notsam Wrestling

1:53:25 hr | 8 months ago

Matt Cardona fka Zack Ryder - Notsam Wrestling 294

"Coming off of an amazing. Takeover, there is so much to unpack, and we are mere days away from what could be the greatest wrestling match ever plus podcast worlds collide cave is broken Mac Cardona the former Zach rider is here this. Is it welcome to not say him wrestling? Dance Is. Introducing your host from New, York here is Sam rulers. Bad. About it! Welcome to the show welcome, not Sam Wrestling Happy Monday. If you're listening on time, if not happy day I don't care what day of the week is for you. I just hope you're having a good one. Could Be Wednesday could be six months from now to podcast. Inches lasts forever could be years from now. You. Go back on this feed that you're listening on right now and you could hear this episode. I think two hundred, ninety, four or something like that. Plus bonus episodes. Go back. Listen episode one right now if you want to. That's how crazy this podcasts were Elizabeth. Whatever Day you're listening to it happy day. We're coming to you now at the time of this recording, and by the way. If you were a not Sam Schill on Patriot, you would have this mere minutes after I was done recording if but. As of press time. We are. thirty minutes thirty minutes removed from. Annex t takeover in your house. I tore myself away from WWe twenty, four Rick flair special ironically about Wrestlemainia twenty four. Which I was in attendance for. SURPRI BE. Scanning the special looking for my Afro Head in there probably won't be there though. I was working for wwe times long time ago, but I was there I was at the show. Doing some media stuff that we think. But I was amazing. The first part of it that I watched was really really good, and just anytime they start going over ric flair and his career, and who he was as a person like I. Don't know how exactly to handle it because you know. All I by the way I saw both of my children being married. Being. Married I will see. Both of my children would be married one day God willing. But I saw both of my children. Be Born I was there for my wedding. I'll be honest now that I say I was there for my wedding I actually will miss the rehearsal to the wedding. I was late. I was late. I actually pulled up. And my wife was finishing the wedding rehearsal. That actually is true, but I made the rehearsal dinner. That's the point I was working that morning I was on the radio. So, what are you going to do? And I made both my kids birds. The first one I came real close though. Thank God the First Kid came eleven days late. Because four days after my wife was due. And I never even told WWe This I was I was in Phoenix Arizona for the Elimination Chamber that year. It was only my second GIG with wwe. And then my second kid we did. We schedule, the C section so that I could be there for an xt takeover twenty-five but look. I'm watching this Rick flair twenty four and he said that he worked. He has four kids. And he was working the day that all of them were born. Which? When I first saw it I was going to present to my wife Hey. Man, like you know just seeing that's ric flair so good enough for ric flair is good enough for me, right? And she goes yeah, but what's good enough for Ric flair's wife? I don't think ric flair's wives are the happiest people in the world with the husband's that they chose. Ni- go just as a great point, maybe Asian abrupt that up so now that I know that I think it out in my head a little bit. I'm glad I got a chance to talk this over with you guys. I probably won't bring that up as two points for last professional broadcaster hack wrestling journalist scoops, Roberts probably won't bring that up in my favor. But, what I will do speaking of working and speaking of takeover. is of. Course is busy busy weekend for your boy I. Was there with Scott? Stanford and Skyping in Pat McAfee. As we did the annex t takeover in your house kickoff. First of all I loved the MOTIF. I never thought anybody that knows radio. History knows how ironical it is that because not a word. Thanks that I was on. WWe Show a Tad pettingill this weekend, even when we weren't in the exact same room at the exact same time, the fact that we were on the same show. Wild. It's nuts I never would have expected it. But I loved. Everything that they did to make this feel old school I mean. Like the tonight with the tonight graphics that they use to us back in the day and the music that they use to us back in the day and everything The intro was great to annex t logo coming up, and all mirrored and everything was awesome. Promotional consideration paid for by the following. When I looked at it when I listened to it. I was like. Seventy doing like a bad Lord Alfred Hayes impression then I realized. Nope, that's just enthusiastic. William Regal. That is freaking amazing. Loved that loved the in your. House setup. I always wondered why more people didn't jump off the roof of the house. You know your kids like up. Somebody comes up to the roof that house and jumps off. He'll. Shirai made all our dreams come true. We'll get into the whole show, but I thought the MOTIF was great. I was trending on twitter I did I. Did get some flack a lot of negative believe it or not. There was some negative feedback. About My. Performance which I thought was fantastic. I thought it was great I. Thought I brought a lot of great points. Not all of my predictions were right, but many were what did I go? One two. Three four six. That's still if you're in baseball. That's a hall of fame average. So that's really not that bad, but. But. Still I mean you know. People accuse me of being negative, but if you go back and watch that thing I mean it's got Stanford started the whole thing negative to begin with Scott. Stanford is really the problem. An Act if he really doesn't come across as hostile more often than not so you know I I'm just trying to stand up for myself in there. Okay I don't want to be bullied, but you know. I turn around, and apparently that's not. That's not the thing to do on social media I don't know what to tell you, but luckily for me. I'm not terribly concerned with it. It was a blast being there in Stanford and doing it I was Not only I have a great time, but like dude. It is I feel safer in terms of my physical health, and in terms of you know everything we're going through with the CARONI. I feel safer in the WWE's studio than I. Do in my own house. I mean masks filling out forms Everybody's staying apart like it really is I. Don't know what it's like in Orlando. I can't speak to that, but I can speak to Stanford and tell you that there's. There's a reason why they've been able to maintain the show as long as they have with everything that's going on, and that's because they're taking everything extremely seriously extremely seriously, so big props to wwe on that I know shocker, right last professional broadcaster. Give him props to wwe well. I, give credit where credit's due and we have to give credit where credit is due to what was a fantastic takeover show. This is one of those things, and we talked about it either on Thursday nights, in Thursday or last Monday maybe both. that. There was something plaguing me which was. How are they going to pull this off? You know the magic of takeover is really a lot to do the energy of the audience. that. The audience I mean these are the only arena shows the next he runs. there are also annexed east best shows, so the audience is usually sell hungry for an t, and then when he shows up and over deliver the audience the intern. By instinct. Ended up with this explosion of energy. which even if you have? Trainees. And Xilai I. Don't know why she is. In the audience get her out of the audience. She's a character on television. But when you got trainees in the audience like are they going to be able to the people who interact coworkers? They're watching their co workers perform. Which? There are a lot of people on serious that I've admiration for a lot of radio shows on Sirius that I'm like Oh, man, I'm glad to see. Nicole is doing a good job over at the Masher. Looking at. My POW Jason Analysis tearing it up on the afternoons there on Sirius Xm, one or three. This is great. How listened Bennington? How wonderful or they, but my relationship with those shows is a lot different than if I didn't work for serious. It's there's a closeness. There's a you know that that separation between audience member and performer is real and impacts the relationship that the audience member has with the performer so I. Did wonder and let's be honest. An arena full of people or Twenty trainees like it's big difference. I thought that the energy was good. I thought that the people that were in the audience at a good job of keeping the energy up the whole night, but The people that you gotta give props to I mean. Number One, every single match on the show was great. There wasn't one match on that show that I wouldn't be like. Yeah, you should check that out every single match. Had stuff to talk about had reasons for being? Every single match was really really good. Every single match had a real finish. All these stories were concluded. At least this chapter was anyway. I just thought. I just thought it was great from top to bottom. You know this isn't one of those takeovers that you're going to be like okay well. There's all these takeovers and then takeover in your house is literally. You know there's a pandemic going on. We'll just kind of given that Mulligan, no, not for me. Not For me I thought it was really good. It's it looks different. Not The arena show, but like for instance wrestlemainia this year. I think it looks different it's. GonNa hear the worst Wrestlemania of all time. There's some good stuff at Wrestlemainia this year so. I don't know where I would rank it one day. One day I'll rank all the takeovers, but the thing about takeover. Is You get so caught up in the moment? that it becomes really really difficult to put everything into proper perspective after every takeover. You're pretty sure you saw top five takeover of all time. I don't know that I've ever left to take over going. That was not top ten. You know what I mean so and this one is no different. Started with the six person tag shots blackheart Mehan. teagan knocks over Kansas Laret. Raquel, solace and Dakota Chi, although I did predicted, the good guys would win on the podcast I should have stuck with that prediction when I did the kick off show I. I got caught up in the Kansas Larijani thing when I was doing the kickoff the pre show. So I guess theoretically you know if you'd asked me on Thursday I wasn't surprised that the good guys won. But I was surprised that it didn't really feed into the Johnny Gargano. Keith. Lee Story at all. It was just a different thing. It was just a moment to I think. He inox got the cover writers just a moment to let teague and knock shine which you know, clearly, they're high on teague Inox, but I think my statement kickoff show about it being a display of how good that women's roster is stands, and and and we stand. For what happened later on in the night we go to the second match which was Finn Valor? defeating. Damian, PRIEST I stab. Damien priest got a ton of offense in I. Still think it was a really really good performance for Damian Priest I. Think the right person won that match but I also think that now it's time for Damian. Priest to gets victories. I think that we are at a point now. Where Damian priest has looked good in plenty of big matches that he hasn't won so now. We're getting to this place where he does have to start winning matches, so we can get Damian priest to be that future main inventor. That I believe he has the potential to be I do say that that Finn Valor was the right person to win though because. I think. That! You're building in Ballard to be at this place where he's almost bigger than the champion. Where he's the he is. The biggest star next t and he is the most unbeatable person in annexed almost above the whole brand. To the point where you stack them up against a person who also can't lose. And now we're really dealing with something You know I think. A lot of people are assuming that his next move. Is To be with Adam Cole. But I think that's something we gotta talk about. Let's get to the rest of the matches I. Keith Lee defeated Johnny Gargano, which are surprised by thought, Johnny. Gargano is a no brainer here, but maybe. Maybe, they don't want to bad guy champions. Maybe you know clearly. They really WANNA push this new generation from next. Generation that I feel is going to be responsible for another golden era, but I I think they want to. Not Have Right now I think going into this show. And I know because I kind of think about these stories in my head before I, do these. Pre shows. Because I think about like what do I really think about what's going on and I think the stories that rea- Ripley and Keith Leeward, telling river very similar, even though we still had his title. He really has lost momentum since royal, rumble. And beating. Gargano is a big step. I think we can now have plenty of mixed tag matches on TV and stuff but I think by next takeover. There has to be a formidable opponent for keithly. Built and there are a couple of directions we can go in and we'll talk about that. Adam Cole defeats the Velveteen Dream Not a shocker. For me, anyway I thought that was great. I thought presentation of it was great. I loved velveteen, dream and AMCOL being on top of the ladder. Velveteen is about to do with thing. Honk Honk Honk the interference of the undisputed Arrow was done perfectly like just being a distraction in the car and everything dexter. loomis is under the ring, the back lot look cool I liked it. They filmed it. It was like this hybrid where they did technically film cinematic Lee, but they still did commentary over it, and they still kept it feeling like it was a part of the show. Yeah I thought it was nice and I thought it broke up the action very well. So I thought that was a big success. Them I'm glad that Adam Cole one because again I think that you're building Adam Cole to also be in this position where he's kind of unbeatable, and that may play into where we're going, but it may not as well. Carrying Cross. Over Tomasso Champa, and I mean over Tomasz Oh Champa. CHAMPA got enough offense that he came across like a serious threat, but I morrow, shouting out that this is his shortest. He's I. Think he's at thirteen takeover matches or something, whatever morrow said and this is the shortest one any lost. This is a different. CHAMPA I set it on the kickoff show that he's lost his edge. You know I think that this this is not the Champa that we saw with Johnny Gargano. This is a different. Performance as a different character, there's a different guy. Clearly carrying cross is the next big thing in annexed. T clearly you don't have him. Beat CHAMPA. I was I guess no. It wasn't technically as I annexed he match. He wrestled on TV because we've seen the entrance before, but his first big matches I pay per view match. He destroys to myself Champa to the point where like there's no reason to have that match again or even think about having that match again like you can't even have the discussion. Who Do you think's better? I was made very very clear. WHO's better All he's got to do is move upwards and onwards from there. You know carrying crossing is so interesting because when you see him. And I don't want to compare every great character to the undertaker I done that before I think people do that but Michelle. McColl said something interesting on the. Undertaker last ride documentary. which was that when she met? Undertaker he and Kane where the two people that she even WanNa meet because she was like intimidated job and she said that she thinks it's because. She, the character is so believable that it comes across real and I. They did a lot of fans are like that like worlds more. We all know you. But. There are certain characters that defy. Our intelligence to what we're watching. Undertaker's on those characters but Carrying crosses you know. When you look at carrying cross on TV. He comes across like a guy. Who Will Kill you? In comes a scary. A grown man watching this thing and I'm like I wouldn't. I saw him at work I work. Him At work I would probably just kind of not hello and keep walking. This is not a guy that I wanna make friends with seem scary to me. And that's why I think one of the reasons why the character presentations unique having scarlet there is I see next level next level? Like I said you know there's nothing like his entrance you the he stays in this character that feels like he i. I just think he's great. And I'm beat champion I'm happy, did it in such a dominating way, and then probably surprised of the night in probably the best match of the night. Shirai Beats Charlotte and Ria Ripley Charlotte had to figure four on. ESPN for the cover very similar to the Rockstar, spud Drake Maverick finish to the cruiserweight match a couple of weeks ago where he be Shida. And Jay outlets was that the other person. No wasn't shakeout. WAS SOMEBODY ELSE I? Don't remember who was You guys would probably yelling at your podcast right now or your whatever phones or hover you listen to this. So I think that But I think it's a good thing you know. I I liked their fresh fresh blood. I liked it. They're giving EEO. Shot I think. Yo is the you guys know how long have been any? Oh, sure I fan and it reopens the Women's Division in my opinion. Realistically speaking. Even e Shirai like who, besides rewritten leany, Oh sure I would be realistic opponents for Charlotte. No one now that Yo. Sure is champion again. I think we can talk about rea-. Ripley's quest to become champion. In fact, she's simply can't do it. And I think we can start opening it up I. Think we can sit there and say and say we can build teague Inox to an Yoshimura teagan Knox match chassis blackheart. Certainly I mean th the candidates Laurey that we know now. We saw Candice Eero. I to the dark side. And killed her so. candice is a little more dark than than even though is. Maybe, that's something we revisit. There's a lot of directions we could go in and I really really like that But I was thinking about the future so. I My personal pick for. I would love to see her. Do something with Dakota Kai. I. And have re kind of go through this path of proving herself again where she's taken out, you know. Maybe maybe she's the. I have imagined candice or or or museum or something I. Don't know I. Don't know, but I would love it if Dakota kyw where you'll is first opponent. I was thinking about. What to do with Keith Lee. I think. I think Keith Lee Finn. So I'm trying to figure out what to do with Finn Ballard and I'm stuck between two things so originally. I was like clearly fim valor is going to be ankles next opponent right and it's like no, I don't think so and I. Don't think that's the way to go anyway, because I think we're pushing young right now. We're pushing the next generation of annex. t not the kind of. Elder Statesman as Adam Cole and and Finn Ballard, both are you don't WanNa. See Adam Cole dropped the title to somebody who's been around even longer than Adam Cole. And you also don't really want to see Adam. That that match doesn't do it for me. It doesn't push an xt forward. So. I mean I think clearly Dexter Loomis is Adam Cole's next opponent. I don't see Dexter loomis. xanax t champion I. See that as A. placeholder before the next opponent is ready. So. I think thin ballor. Can do one of two things either. Fin Ballard can serve up. Ankles next opponent. or Can put Keith Lee on the map. You Know I. I think. Would probably be better used serving up. Adam Cole's next opponent I think maybe maybe Keith lease next opponent is Tomasz Oh Champa. The Keith Lee versus Tomasso Champa, and maybe watching Tomasso champion get rebuilt. And that way Keith Lee can get a victory over Champa. It would stay in that Gargano family and it would still be huge to watch it happen. I WANNA see. Carrying cross versus valor. I think that that you really want to make a statement. I think. Carrying cross versus. The way to go. Carrying Cross Hands Fin Ballard his first defeat in an xt since coming back. and. I think after that is when you have carrying cross for example coal for the NFC championship. Because Once carrying crosses dominated to Moscow Champa. Once, carrying crosses beaten thin Bauer. And maybe you don't even do the next over. Maybe it's to take over after next, maybe Ballard. That's another victory over I. Mean I think he. Oh, as technically technically. Trevor Leave Him Valla right on TV but I mean you know we all know what that was so I. Guess Still Owes Him One but I? Don't think you need to do that. It'd take over. There should be I like to see get one more big victory. He's beaten Johnny Gargano. He's beaten. Damian Damian priest. There must be men, and maybe it takes building somebody. But I'd like to see a story told where imbalance, one more victory I think he could get one more big victory. Where you're questioning whether or not he'll get it then go on to face carrying cross. In the meantime carrying crosses beaten everybody, so you're sitting there going like well. Is Not going to get beat. He's going to be the champion only to have him lose to Carrion Cross. And now carrying cross and looks at them calling he goes me and you call. And I'll tell you on that when that happens, you know that might be. That might be the moment that It's time for amcol the sacrifice the NFC championship. We'll see when we get there, but it was a great takeover can't wait to see t on Wednesday and all the fallout thought it was awesome. Can't wait till possibly the greatest match ever on Sunday I'm I'm actually I've gotten so excited for it. I mean they've hyped it up so much. Something's gotTa. Give here. Something's gotTa give. I'm not asking around for spoilers or anything, but something's gotTa give and I think something will give. And we'll get there. We'll get to it. We'll talk about it on the Thursday podcast for sure. 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They turned into Curt Hawkins and Zack. Ryder the edge heads. Zack Ryder ends up going to e C W Becomes Long Island is e. Starts his youtube show. You know whatever it was. Set years before being the elite and kind of turns marketing yourself as a professional wrestler on its head. Believe it or not the way this thing catches fire like nothing else had on the Internet for wrestlers on that level in wwe before Has An. Year with the success of that show. and then as a couple years that are not amazing. ends up eventually in attacking with Mojo Rawley called the hype Bros. gets injured a few times. IS OFF TV for years back on TV he's back on a tag team with Curt Hawkins, they become tag team. Champions on the ways got this amazing moment when he wins the United States, championship. When nobody thought he would do anything he's got an amazing wrestlemainia moment where he wins the Intercontinental Championship and. He's got toy collection. That is just to die for. There's clearly a lot to talk about with. Zack Ryder so this is going to be a nice lengthy one strap in enjoy ladies and gentlemen this week on not Sam wrestling the one. The only long island is e Woo Woo, you know it formerly known as Zack Ryder always. With Z. Ready. Ladies and gentlemen. This is Cardona. The Not Sam Wrestling interview. I know. You guys have been waiting on this for a long time. Ladies and gentlemen here he is. On the podcast you might know him as. Depending on how long you've known him, maybe you. You knew him. At one point has long. Island is e. maybe you knew him as an edge head. Maybe you knew him as a major brother. Maybe just knew him. Zack Ryder but today. He's known as always ready. Mac Cardona. Sam I don't know what proves that. Is Dead more that the undertaker does it tell all on the last rider that I'll admit right now. All our beef. It's for show. podcast wars. You know that we actually do like each other. Yeah, but the the the the only the only hiccup here is that this had to be a non figure related interview. Right start talking about figures. We will definitely whether because I think I think that neither of US really know whether it's real or fake. Once we start talking about figures because we get like we're defensive, so we'll start talking about figures. WE'RE GONNA start fighting I think K.. FEHB is dead. It's been for a long time wrestling figure capable libs. That's right up. Saying that's right, and so this is not Canon for the major recipe or podcast exactly exactly exactly so we're not yet. This is outside of that universe. This is not can completely like here here. Bill could walk in here bone-dry, not sweating a drop because it's not cannon. Lose bill exactly exactly exactly it. Yeah Bill Clinton. I will say though and I need you to know. This is a fact. I need needs to be on the record that I technically did indeed join the mattel elite squad. Guys were still a member. I joined the elite squad that the same time. You guys did your last thing. The the WRESTLEMAINIA reveals I think, but in my opinion, that doesn't count because we didn't. We didn't get a vote and We would have voted yes, or no I see you know with the seat of the world. The state of you know Mattel the toy business. We only two guys could do what we did no script. Cover everything we're just GONNA put figures on screen and you guys canal we did. You know the elite squad is in good hands with you and Johnny and Kansas. My point is what it is I feel like Johnny and Kansas your guys spot and I took Kathy Kelly spot. Well you actually do something. About that. I guess that's that's actually a good point. But I. Tell You you know you. It's interesting. It seems like your last. WWe figure is going to be chronicling like the first big thing. The you and Curt Hawkins did in WWe. Assuming it still comes out and I'm talking about the edge heads. Hey, don't don't don't put any bad off. The, guards if you listen. I do believe the edge heads yeah edge with his interchangeable edge heads right. Zack Ryder Hedda. Curt Hawkins Hogshead, which by the way Sam was all my idea. Reser rarely. My I've been pitching for years. Finally slip through the cracks. There was a lot of hiccups. A lot is happening. No, it's not happening like. We saw pictures that we heard his canceled. Its common. We think okay, so it is cool that our last figure will be. Kind of like our first big thing, it was already made rather figures, but it's cool. I mean. Did we get screwed? No, Hawkins Ryder elite. Yes, but that's where differ podcast different thing altogether, that's. That's where we get back into Canada. We're going too far out. So when you and I'm an right and you guys are edge heads right in the beginning I mean you did the smart thing which is eventually you stopped painting on all the edge tattoos, but in the beginning you guys both painted on. Complete replicas of the edge tattoos. Did you guys paint those on yourselves? No No, so essentially. What was supposed to happen was that are supposed to be a one night thing and I, guess there was supposed to be like stencils, but of course they weren't there. I see so like the makeup ladies and a bunch of different people had to draw them on with sharpies. It was on. A Sunday and then Monday's Rob. We're not on raucous wants back down the tapes. smackdown Tuesday. So all Sunday Monday. We're scrubbing it off. Because supposed to be a one night thing right so trying to scrub off arms for smackdown, and of course we get there like Oh, no, you gotta get. But Love was only a two day. Thing The edges thing was so cool. One thing that people don't really know that we were supposed to be like when we first switched our names all over from from from Brett. Major Bryan Major to our real names, right. Radical talking, of course, there was a little miscommunication. We almost became. Like I think keates and. We're going to your names. With case I love it because Johnny. Johnny was like yeah, we need something like slash or axel that go with edge right, of course who who's going to be Keita's and who's going to be cobaine I was going to be Kobe better. Eat US A. Couple of hours before it's like. Real names, but not your real names so together Hawkins, Zack Ryder, and then we even got. Our own gear. Ever ever. I think Hawkins wearing it eventually, but I never worked because the thing was. We're going to be with edge. In that gear for one night and then just be edges, Guy, right. Archers and the point in the beginning was not to be like Little Girona. Guys, which we ended up being just. Gas Saint Time. It was awesome because the learning experience that we got, plus we're doing nothing on TV one week. Right literally nothing to. Do so and wrestling Batista undertaking. Shawn Michaels Ric flair right. It's one of those things that people remember to like every. That's the thing about doing that. Everybody remembers that there was another under the ring, so the idea that edge would be that next person that had another edge hiding under the ring. I mean it's not a bad spot to be in. Excellent spot and you know. It was something that we had pitched and. Edge, we did not know him I. Don't we didn't know him really just besides along by? Not need us. He did not eat to help the major brothers along, but he did. And I'm so thankful and grateful because I know for a fact, we would have been fired. Early two thousand eight. People tie back right all right. So he definitely saved our careers. And then obviously we ran with it but if it wasn't for edge saying yeah, let's take a chance to these kids. Because he was the world heavyweight champion, or was going to be rather than. that. He really need Britain Brian, Major. No, no, but he realized that it was a great idea. And you know we all ran with it where you guys wearing edges all tights or did edge just have three pairs gear made up every time that he got gear made up, or how did you? How did that work? I think for the first night. It's all new gear, but it all is fit edge. So, like it's like black with a silver star, so it's a little too baggy a big for me. It looked like Jerry Lynn tight. Yeah like. Like crush plastic thing because you could see the wrinkles. And then only got I think two more pairs of tights that we got to US and I. don't even think they matched edge like to compliment, but they weren't the same once he was wearing. You know right right because they wasn't supposed to be. You were just pretending to be edged. The idea was supposed to be that. You were different people right? We're friends with edge. Got Lost in translation eventually came the edge heads or Goes call this other all once. The edge guys. We were setting up this big I. think it's like a six man tag or visit to like. Andy CAPP match with with flair Michaels for smackdown, and this is our big moment on his like accepting the challenge or laying out the challenge. Alive. and. Those guys like the whole locker of POPs if he. Loser. Because! You're like in your twenties at that point so one moment you're like this is so cool. Shawn! Michaels is talking about, and we're about to be on TV and then, but it's as the edge you. Guys didn't know our names, and that's not just Michael everybody back there and say everybody the majority of the people. who were the majors? The edge heads like be in the hallway and like someone's. What's up, guys it, but it just to be like me and like what guys? Knew who we were? I thought and I. Get it and what really? Was Challenging for us. Is when edge got injured and the edge heads were no more right, just the guys that looked like edge. And like okay, we switch the bark year. We're Hawkins Right. But nobody cared right. He had anything against us. Because who is, that's what I was thinking like. Who is at that point Curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder they don't there. You guys aren't anybody because you've just been sitting there. Being like well, we're like edge. Except we're like the guys, so we were at the time to take champions right. Now. At different here thin matter, no it wasn't until it was the draft of that year where we split where we finally got the opportunity. Because we have been pitch first of all, we were supposed to be split up like instantly, and it never happened, so we just kept getting brought the TV and losing a great Khali in handicap matches. Can Orange Lago. Nothing was getting done and we had been. We actually just put up on Youtube this. This pitch that we had sent in, we gave to the writers where I was still the Wu guy, but Hawkins was like you know like the straight man to it. All you know like look at this idiot and I'd like ruined. Thanks for being so goofy and that was the dynamic I think we kinda had in real life. Yeah, but the with you hear that volume raised up. The mine was raised up a ton for that. And that was what we were trying to pitch, and then eventually I mean it all worked up because I. Did that and you're like. What did you do that without you I don't need a straight man I'll just do. It wasn't my decision. I got I got drafted. Easy W RIGHT! And then and they wanted to run with that and can I cut my hair. My hair just idea cow. We're the one like tights. I just wanted to be as different as I could from that look. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you were completely different person now. You're actually a person like this is a personality. When I see him. I know who he is not just. That's guy that used to be with edge right so whether it's whether they knew my name or not. They knew Oh. Yes, the guy was like tights I was. Edge thing was out of their mind right, but the the one I think probably the best part about the edge head. Thing was wrestling you twenty four right getting to do that. Run in a two percent. Yeah, for the undertaker matches that one of those things where. Are you just so pumped ear about like. We're just going to be involved in this match or you nervous that you're like Oh my God. This is the main event and it's the undertaker match and that's undertaker. And if we screw anything up like I don't want to piss him off, undertaker was super cool during this whole experience like I worked on smackdown one on one. Asked me what I wanted to do. And then afterwards sat me down, said okay. We need to work on this or this was good. This wasn't good, so he was always super cool when he didn't eat the undertaking right right. To be in that situation to run out and be involved in the main event. I remember sitting in. The hersal that match. And like? We're like getting this. Learning experience that people would only dream up behind the scenes of Wrestlemainia main, and we're GONNA. Be, involved. The only thing I was really nervous about was that we'd get like crucified like sacrificed the week before missing Wrestlemainia. For the cascade. W! That didn't happen and we got to do the little run in and. The. The main of running which was great There's like. A photo this fan captured photo of US helping edge to the back, and it's a cool like a bird's eye view of all of us like while the pyros going off and stuff like that. We were just so young then that we're you know we're like okay. This is just the next step in our career. Maybe next year Wrestlemainia we'll wrestle the triple threat match. Edge Little we know we'd be in lumberjack. Business works exactly how the business works. This is a business works that you've got to legends like the undertaker. An edge and the undertaker's photo from Wrestlemainia, is him with triple h and Shawn Michaels and they're together and edges photo from wrestlemainia. Is You and Hawkins and him at like twenty two years old going like all right well. I guess this is the three that I. It's just support for you. It is. For you, it's a great photo for you. It's great for Hawkins. So when you're when you're like when you go over to easy w and you become long, island is the and you start to take off like that character I feel like I got it because I'm around the same age as you and I'm from the East Coast so I immediately knew exactly who that guy was, but it's also one of those things that I look back on and go I wonder if. The. People, who go like okay, yeah, that's a good idea. Go do that on television like did you do explain to them? What is the for a couple writers who got it out there? These guys They understood it. what what essentially what's going on is that I was going out. I was twenty two, maybe twenty three time going out to clubs bars on Long Island New York City. And seeing all these idiots. And I hated them I said. This is what needs to be yeah. Just the spiky hair. The sunglasses inside headbands pop collars like I. Need to be this and it took a long time I was doing on TV. I think for people to really catch onto what it was, and then eventually Jersey shore came out, and then people are like Oh Zach justice show. I came. I. You know. But. EC- W was such a great time for me because. You know big fish small pond. Whatever that's what I needed at that time An hour show and it was for guys. You know. It was like the island of misfit toys and I was throwing there and. Whether I got Promo time or backstage ads or get into work, Christian. It really helped my confidence and also helped me in the ring, because before that I had maybe like three singles matches my entire career. Like I was always taking with and so I, needed that so just adjusting to a single style totally different. And to get to work with guys that Christian and Regal and Tommy Dreamer. Great learning experience where the one legged tights come from. So like I said I knew I wanted to be completely different. With the hair, the headband and I remember this guy in deep south, wrestling Sky Crew Jones. He wore one leg tights and I thought it was so obnoxious like this. This fits yeah, an remember. At first the writers wanted me to wear jeans. Oh, no like Jason, like addressed shirt. He thinks dress shirt off. It looks like Jimmy Wang Yang. Right so they're like. Go go go pitches. Vince pitches events and like. I remember like Vince was doing like rehearsals like leading rehearsal. The ring I had it on like business. Okay, and he like personally office said he loves it. That's IT I. Mean that's that's what you gotta do. Yeah, that's of course. That's what you have to do. You also know the when you're pitching that Vince McMahon like there's no reason for you to think like. Oh, he's GonNa totally get this one leg tights. Long Island like Guido Club kid like that's right up Vince is Allie. He's GonNa. Know exactly what I'm going for like. Yeah. It's good with Greece to like. Just. Busy. hersal breezy it'll be sacked out. But Hey. It all worked out. I got to wear it very Toyota. As they say the Biz GonNa ask you. Did you think to yourself because I? Mean? That's the like that Zack Ryder action figure is still very very valuable. Did you think to yourself like they're GONNA? WanNa make figure out of the one guy who wears the one legged tights and all bright colors and I'm always thinking figuring. You have to yeah right. Yeah, and some people think figures just for the money of it, but you're thinking figures, 'cause you know I need more Zack. Ryder's on the shelf. Under Percent Mike Affection right right? Yeah, do you? Do you collect the Hawkins figures to? I think my favorite lake. Ruthless Aggression Era Hawkins figures the one where they actually made him wearing the Hoodie that says Hawkins across the front well. I've been a two pack with him. So I have to count it. I have to get it. Yeah, yeah, easy W. is also of course. Where you got to go one on one with a rapid delivery. Of course you've talked about your podcast. Thousand Times, but that's the pay the tights ripping incident, but were you excited like just as a wrestling? Yeah. Was it. Live Roy facts of. Life was so excited. So he's the entire. It's supposed to be me. Going over strong I'd give a couple of shots. Spread a little. pull the. Trunks. Pull them into. The the turnbuckle. His were made up dust. Trunks their sewn at the sides seamer on the side. Yeah, his were stone at the crash like connecting the front in the back. Yeah! I pull holding explodes. I have no idea what's going on right, so he's in the corner now. Covering up I don't think anything of it of course right? Yeah, the the corner. At the time that we. Could, pull out for the cover yet what I would do was. The old slingshot. The worst move you could take with no tights out by the way. I look I realize what's going on right right? You saw rapid delivery. Thought. Given the Slingshot, and then I'm thinking well. I can't I can't beat up with this slingshot. Think academic, of course weird. He spent over knee in the neck, grabbed the arm neck breaker. If you find photos a lot, he's covered up the whole time i. hit him with it one-two-three. Luckily this was live to tape right, so they had a couple of hours to adjust it. Where if you watch it back, you just see like my chest up, but like the last half of the match is he is. He pissed because I mean. Even if I believed you that you didn't do it on purpose I'm like okay accidents happen. But why did he keep going that long? Because he wanted to make sure that everything worked like I, had no tights. Why couldn't? Do. Do, he approach from his perspective? He's thinking I understand. You normally wouldn't but just pin me with the slingshot. You figured it out. WHAT THE PROBLEM! So I got to the back. It was so nervous like am I gonNA get in trouble, but the the whole guerrilla position was laughing at. Replayed at. A Little Dick Sloppy. PROZAC, RYOBI's. was pulled tight to hard, but dude first of all, he didn't have any under trump's on companies. See Underneath and for years. He thought like I had been convinced to. You can't rip so much tights on purpose right right? Yeah Yeah. You can't sit there and go. Okay, here's the plan will realize tights off his body types don't apart. You're supposed to wrestle in them. Supposed to be struggle. Now we're buddies, and this is obviously since it's not cannon We do stuff in the major us. We were podcast where he's pulled my pants down right. He's hit me with my title. Is this big beef big war? But you know that's that's the podcast when I talk about podcast. No Right now. That's cannon. That's right with. was there a part of you when you're sitting there? Right and rapid delivery Rory Fox's yelling at you because you've embarrassed him so much. Are you just sitting there? Thinking like Oh my God. Look the guy from MTV's mad at me now that's so funny. Just. Felt bad for him because I knew I wasn't in trouble, right? Felt bad for him. Like oh man I hope they call him back and I don't think they ever did. And you know to your like I know. This guy had a dream to be a superstar. MTV I saw it. It all worked out he got his revenge like ten years later at the live major recipe your podcast for right. Of of course tidal. Not Part of the script he took the title went downstairs and AK- did the Shawn Michaels playgirl pose with the title that was not part of the script that was definitely not cat. The show the whole time. I don't know what's going on rental later I. Find Out right there. The photo ops posing with the title. I don't know what it is about you. Every time you make a title, somebody you know has to do that. Naked Shawn michaels posed with it. Well, you know, it is what it is, it's. Pos-. You know I make titles Davis. What can I do you really really do? So what was your? What would you say is the best other than that? Obviously the best single kind of moments from your w run I think wrestling Christian yeah. Or retiring. Tommy Dreamer, who still fucking wrestling. New Yeah I was there for that show any stood at the ramp, and his family was there, and he said goodbye, and then he's like he's wrestling now more than anybody in the business, yeah! It was cool that you know. He trusted me. to do that and wrestling Christian was super cool because I went from. Not really having any singles matches to wrestling Christian, the guy who a think one of the most underrated. Shot underrated performers of all time and one of my favorites. Of all time, so that was really really cool. Christian so well. How do you like? When you're that young, you've already now. You're still in your mid twenties, not even your late twenties. You're in your mid twenties. You've now had a wrestlemainia experience. Let's call it. You've had a sit down conversation with undertaker about what you're doing wrong. What you're doing, right? You've wrestle guys like Christian and Regal. Is there any of the kind of too much too soon. Like what do I do now stuff going on in your head at that point. I don't think so. Because I don't ever think we got like. Do much right. That makes sense. You know what I'm saying, we if we like. You know one of the tag team titles like right away like with edge, and it was a slow process. It might seem like it was fast because like one night. We're doing nothing then where the edge, but it's a slow slow. Build of you know. You're on the outside like literally on these live events. You know whether we're working like Finley and Jamie Noble early in the show or Jesse and Festus. We're learning that way, and then we're outside the ring. Watching these main event matches watching Ed's who? I think the best of the world. At that time I definitely at that time, and we're sitting there better than a for seat. You know right that learning experience was so invaluable. People, People Watch tape and they watch old footage and they said he that way. I was standing there. Looking up watching, you know edge versus the undertaker Edwards Batista. Crazy stuff. Yeah, yeah! So, that's where I guess you take care building to another level. Because obviously you're like okay. I think this long. Island I see characters. Clicking like this works people get it. It's unique although when Robbie showed up on. Were you like dude? We. TRY TO GET hot. Tub Robby Robby free. Talk. For a long time. I like rob so anything I say. Let me just say I'm just busting is of course I don't really say even though I do mean a little bit right. So Robin I, we knew each other. From like I say. The New York indie scene, but really he'd come in and work and YWCA while I was like setting up the chairs. Maybe up, because I knew of him more than he knew of me right. But we were facebook, friends and stuff like that and I had made the wwe. Very make it so early and he had sent me this facebook. Direct message basically say first of all. It's definitely like a mass message, but just change the first name like hey Mac. Gotten the message. Is His demo. Tape Demo Link. If I had any contacts for Japan or Puerto Rico. Rob You've been around? All right you right something like that. Yeah! A couple of months go by. He has unfriendly. Be On facebook. We. Don't talk for like a decade. A decade wow right. Unbelievable, and then he shows up and he starts. He's your wife's manager or your fiance's manager and. Their patch at a couple of years before, but right good good. Well. There was never any real heat. We joke around. Yeah, yeah, of course of course. On these click bait pages big heap between. Oh I've been there. Many Times I've heard I've read many times on the Internet how I'm very very poorly received by everybody. It's not good for me right now. So that's like a round when you start obviously DISEA- True Long Island story which is like kind of your breakout. Thing was this because? was that what w gone away at that point? That's what happened E. C.. W turned into an X T. The NFC by the way the NFC like reality. We're just show the NFC that we know now right. And I had moved to RAW, which in theory is great moving a raw? It was that great. At all right? Now. Like I was on every once in a while. Getting hit by the big jackass, hand or something like that. But that. Wasn't anything really you know. I'm still trying still busting my ass still luckily on the live events every once in a while still working I think. You know my favorite matches were happening against like Evan Bourne, it's up on live events open in the open, the shows and these live events. But it was around so I. Guess It's early two thousand eleven I. Say like all right. I see this isn't changing. It just whatever's happening. I gotTa do something for myself. I told a million times. I'm sorry this is repetitive. But I wanted to create some buzz whether by getting fired, or you know being so much of a commotion so much noise that the WB had to do something. Luckily, I didn't get fired right, but I thought okay. If I get fired for the stuff, I'm doing awesome bus to the indies a you know. Yeah, but my end goal is to get you notice my wbz yeah. So that's when I started the youtube show with no big major plan of what it would be, listen I wasn't the first person to have a youtube show wasn't a first person to have a a web show, or on the Internet I think it was the first person to really. Prove that you can use those platforms to help your wrestling quote unquote character. Because I think at that time I was still Wanna one of the younger guys on the roster. So to me, you know twitter facebook Youtube. It's even around yet, but those things were things I was using as the real person Matt Cardona Right. Right who had to do everything? So? Why don't I just do it as Zack, Ryder? Let, the people in like wrestling is so odd where you can like be in this heated storyline and post this this this post about your opponent. You're wrestling next week and your next tweet could be you and your dog. Yeah Yeah. So I think like I think that's now, but at the time people were just using it just wrestling wrestling wrestling wrestling. Even W. W tried to start their own like the WWe universe Platform Yeah Yeah. Listen I don't want to choose my own. But like if you go back I, would ask the guys the rise of he's W pay. These status updates on the W A universe. Can we put those onscreen as I'm walking out? There's one. Zack Ryder can't wait for the new backstreet boys, album or Five ten years later. There's tweets all over the screen. Yeah! I invented. That could happen eventually. Yeah, it was eventually yeah, right so I was just one of the first people. If not the first who realize hey, this is important and Ken Work I. Mean You also like? Were early to being like a mainstream guy that was incorporating like internet, lingo and wrestling jargon and stuff the way you were making jokes about pushing and I'm not getting over and all that sort of stuff that you wouldn't hear mainstream wrestlers like you wouldn't hear. Mainstream wrestlers use those words publicly right, but I was also doing it in a funny way. Making myself I wasn't like okay. Right. I mean. I had this big. Push me. Like nobody pushes out. Web, climbing! Offense and somebody. Would you doing oh I'm just trying to get over so I made it fun right? I was like complaining or being bitter, because if I was doing that, the show wouldn't have taken off. Nobody wants to hear. That's now now. People WanNA find show. So I think that goes along with kind of introducing the Gimmick as a whole when you're that early to the game now when you see wrestlers going around, and like logging or doing whatever is pretty commonplace, and you get what they're doing, and you get white school and why it's like. Yeah, it's a good idea. Everybody should be doing it back then. Did a lot of the guys, especially the guys that weren't your age. The the guys that are older than you did they understand. In the beginning you were doing at all or why you're doing it. I don't think so and I think there are a lot of people. There are a lot of people who didn't understand it, but still supporting me like. I'll never forget aren't Anderson. Laying on the couch like backstage in Mexico and he's got the laptop by up on his belly had he's watch the show and he doesn't get what's going on, but he knows I'm putting in the work right? Try to do something, and that's what he appreciated right. He wasn't getting the jokes or what he didn't know what I was doing, but he knew what I was doing something and I think that's why he. He, you know helped me out a lot because he did. This kid wants it, you know yeah, I think it probably how that's one of the I mean you doing it in character probably made that go even further because you're not just like you said on the Internet, complaining or doing some separate thing, you're actually using the Internet to try to get your character over the TV and further the business that you're all. I wasn't on TV really like I, said a couple of times here and there but I was. Doing things like plugging all this emerged at first it was this t shirt. Hey, if you bought my t shirt I'll send you a card aside actually did it right in like. Oh! Sold well, let's make them another show. Let's make him a headband. And then I, plug all this stuff on my youtube show and I'd have like the Brosky of the week. Everybody you know dress up as by merged, do video I'll put on the show or like I would I hired some guy I used the term hired. I didn't pay him. When he would sit there and watch Ron smackdown anytime. There was a Zack Ryder sign. He would screen shot it. Send it to me and that I put it in the show as the signs of the week, so that would entice people. Hey, if I bring aside Sacramento. Put me on the show. Right and so. They were supporting me and I was giving back. Thank you. That was my way through them on the show. Hey, the head bangers show and my son was on it. That would have made my life right especially if they're mentioned by name or they're going like this guy's cool. You're like Oh, my God! That's me. They're talking about me. I had like the. Are you serious? Bro, tweet of the week. Right where the has. Are you serious? Bro, and then like I would Sir Hashtag. Pick the best one, and I'd read it every week on the show right right stuff that. You know that's so common nowadays and I'm not saying I invented. It obviously didn't but I was. I knew it could help me get from nowhere to somewhere, and did you were an early adopter? That's for sure that's the that's the best way to put. Yeah, what was the? What was the connection with seen I always felt like Sina seemed like he was into what you were doing. Early I feel like there's a lot of like John seen as I don't know if it's a sense of humor, just kind of when you look at his instagram like the weirdness and the kind of comedy that he's into. I think there's still a lot that a lot of people don't like you. Don't see that side of him very much, but it seemed like from the beginning like even when I got to raw, it seemed like he was of into this Weird Long Island Gimmick that you were doing i. do think it's definitely because of the show and I think like. I think he understood it a bit more than someone like arm right right, right? But. He also like art, said Hey. This kid wants it. Try It this kid's. Busted his balls. Okay, like okay. The videos like three minutes. It would take me my whole week off to do it. How days I had off right. That show I don't know what happens. Do it right, you know. I, would you know film I'd Schedule Okay Hey Dad? We're GONNA. Shoot this day. Hey, all my buddies this when I get some of the guys on the road and I put together. It would take me forever. A three minute video where if you watch the quality like the you know, the audio video quality sucks, but like the content was pretty damn good and I think he saw hey. This kid's trying and I think that's what he appreciated. And he helped me out big time by back in the day. Like by a re tweet from him or guys like punk. WHO Like the top? Top top guys reach my stuff. It was a big deal. Right or they would both I mean both those guys would figure in little spots to mention you on TV or whatever like when they'd be in groups of guys or Zack. Ryder, and you'd hear everybody, but you'd be like Oh like those guys. They're not putting him on TV, but these guys are mentioning him right, yeah! Speaking of being toy attic, you know what always bugged me. That they never did figure that had a little flip cam. I know I figured like especially when you started walking down the aisle with the flip cam like it was such a moment to like the flip Cam. It's so funny because it had like this two year run where it was like that was the camera. And now I look back. I'm like. How did I even film on this thing? You can't do a front. Facing camera didn't know what you were filming. Goes I I would come out blind really like coming down the aisle holding. Who Does? Yeah yeah, it isn't one of the video games though I'm proud of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah I like that. So! That kind of takes you on this ride like two thousand and eleven I. Two thousand eleven was amazing because that's when the show starts taking off. That's when they put you on TV, so survivor series two thousand eleven. That's Madison Square Garden that's the Rock and John. Cena vs MS are truth. That's the Rock. Doing is Promo after the show, and that's when everybody starts chanting. We want Ryder in the middle of Rocks Promo now. Is this one of these moments where you're going oh? My God this is great and everything's working. Or is there a part of you I hope this isn't too much like I. Don I? Don't need the rock being like Oh i. Loved it every. The Best Yeah Right. Yeah, there's the best yeah love that night. Super Super Memorable night for me! you know they were just so loud. The peoples MSG building that I would go through so many times as a kid and to have them. You know the world's most famous arena tour, but my home town, you know. To go so crazy. Yeah, like interrupting, the Rock is really really cool. But I remember before the show even started just the chance and I think we were like the Ziglar Morrison for the first match on the show and I was running out that so like I'm already geared up ready to roll and I was just. It was all worth it for like those moments like all that whole year. It's like all right worked that hard work like I. Knew I was right. Yes, it was A. self-satisfaction! Yeah, yeah. That that has to change your perspective on things, because when like that is happening, it's when when you're just on somebody else's TV show because at the end of the day you're at the mercy of you know the people who are scripted TV show. It's like. If you don't have that response from the audience, 'cause you're not on TV. I know for me I'd be sitting there wondering like. Am I as good as I think I am like? I'm not really getting response because I'm not getting to do stuff I hope I'm as good as I. Think I am and when you start doing that stuff on your own. The gets the response I feel like it gives. You gotta give you this confidence. The you're like you know what? Regardless of what's happening I can be confident in my own ability because when I'm left to my own devices. I make it work. Yeah, and at that time. I was still super young like twenty five twenty six. Yeah! There are a lot people. Ask Me you know we'll probably get into in a second, but there are some things where I'm like Oh my God. It's a boss I. Remember at one point W W K obviously I'm doing this as Zach W owns the show. Yeah, yeah, but I'm still doing all my youtube channel. I never monetize the channel because I never wanted him to say you're making money off US right? You know what I'm saying, so there'd be so many times like the show. Get taken down for copyright stuff and I have the email. Whoever's in charge like? Hey, I work for wwe. Footage of yourself, but it was wwe's footage, and they would just have one of those spots taking everything down right. Yeah, and then they wanted me to move it to the wwe. Youtube channels like guys. This, W. was even wbz Channel W DOT COM? NOBODY GOES TO W DOT com it's not cool. About moving this show. I don't know. How had the balls to say no to that? Yeah, yeah, that Kinda. Give you when it's working. As well as it's working and you know there are people that doubted it. Does that give you and you're only twenty five twenty six years old. Does that give you an ego where it's like? No I see I'm very. I would say it's an ego, but like you said a little bit of confidence. Right maybe a chip on your shoulder. I wouldn't actually even say a chip on my shoulder. Just like hey, like it's working. Just let me do my thing right right. Yeah! Well you're not doing anything wrong here. I'm helping I'm trying to have everybody. You know one of the top. Trust me getting more that money than I am. Let's just keep going here, baby. Yeah, yeah, now, did you? were. You involved in the in the merch process I know that now it's like what are your main jobs especially since there's no wrestling is designing new merch constantly. I heard. You make a pitch for. Major wrestling figure podcast, war Bonnets, and I know that you were being serious I know. By the way because they're so ridiculous. You know if they're limited, they'll be. Much upset. So luckily at that time since my was selling that I, did have a lot of. Say in what was made. In designs! The first ever. The shirt that it's like my headband mcglasson spiky hair. Based on my my first official shirt. And they sent me something with. Pumas. Teddy bear, or maybe it was a tiger. I was like what. No, because if this if this sucks, it fails. Chance like no way because at the time the only thing I had was that when I was telling you about wearing the cards, it was like I think it was called. Go basic here. It's just me like this. Oh, I remember! Yeah, yeah yeah so I'm like I'd rather have that basic shirt then than any of this crap. Yeah, Hey, guys I'm sorry for the interruption. If you're like me, you're sticking tired of these interruptions. You're going saying there must be a way that we can listen to this podcast without all these interruptions. What if I tell you there was a way? What if I told you there? 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So at first it was a joke, and I had my little brothers keyed intercontinental title, and put stickers on it, and I drew on it and it was. Internet title, even ward out to show in Australia was defended the title against Primo. Photos out their? Kids title. Mike Rotunda the IRS producer. He didn't like that much. Time. It'd be like what was I, do it? Did I just walk? You walk out with a toy bouncer actor way so you haven't even asked anybody who you know. You don't understand my my youtube show. I wear it all cool, thanks. Mike Reciprocal I ever do that again? I mean the fact. The fact that you were fired on the spot means that Mike was Super Cool. Especially Hey I need to make a real title which. I don't know if you. Can See. so I you know. Listen was I really the champion Internet? No, Gimmick Gimmick so I I brought it to TV because I've had it with the anyway for my youtube shows if I needed something, or you know if ziglar to beat me up, I always had it with me. So is there any part of you right? Because I know that you're? You're pretty confident, person and somewhat shameless. Is there any part of you? That is going like these guys are going to think I'm the biggest mark. If I show up to TV with my own title that I made for myself at that time. Yes, and I'll let me tell you the story so okay, so I wear it out. To ringside earlier in the day. I'M GONNA leave leave out names here. Okay, all right. That's fair, but I wear the title out because I I. Don't like Dubai Entrance Posey I. Want to show what it is like. Even like it's not like people. Even people don't walk around in their gear. People aren't walking around with their titles. I'm it was like people were at that time. People were like rooting for me in the back. You're trying to give them every reason to stop. The! Think the boys were cool with it. Okay, if I would have walked out the INTERTIDAL, two thousand and seven hardcore holly. Different story, maybe right Gotcha okay. Buddies. Yes yes, this is the era that like all the guys that came in and around the same time as you are starting to go up the car and there's more of you. Guys got it okay. So I presented to somebody to Kinda show. Show it right, not saying. I'm told. That I'm such a mark for myself, right? AM I. Am I. Don't know, but that's. That's not the point I mean we're having a conversation right now. Where you're wearing a t-shirt shirt of your own podcast, you wearing your own hat I've seen you promotion you go to the gym. You Go to the gym with weight belts with your podcast logo on it I mean. Not San thing in the back was like you don't see me walking around all the time. Promotions now you're right, you're right. Right Anyway, so I say listen I. Don't think I'm really the champion of the Internet. It's like the million dollar title. Asi Wasn't like walking around the locker room. My Hey, guys check out my. What I'm saying, I'm wearing this to present it. Around right right where you go at present it also. Didn't make it himself, but go on. well I, think this I think it's great, I mean I you know I like it I'm just saying. I see I I'm a big kid I. See you know Mattel Making I. See the phone. The phone bells, the rebels, the t shirts I see all that dude as a figure collector. Know How excited I was when they said there's Zack Ryder elite at one Zach writer elite that has the one legged tights and the shirt I'm like. That's cool when they announced there's another Zack Ryder elite headband sunglasses? For that. GonNa Give Permission Anyway okay. So you're a ringside? Somebody says your for yourself. I say no. I don't really think on the Internet champion. You know it's Kinda like the million dollar title, and then I'm told. This is what you're gonNA love. It. This was ten years ago. The whole locker room with kicked your ass. With. Well the whole locker room loves me. The response to that is. High the houses are half empty. I guess responsible. A. Whatever? Great. I. Don't get satellite TV. Look. It also doesn't help that. There's like corporate logos on it right like there's a facebook logo and twitter logo like they wouldn't put that on TV right, or was it just because? We're looking at the side. Swipe changed. Just looking guy too mark for himself, and if you wear that bow, two houses will get even lower. Just so. I never with the title is. But I mean it's I. It's the title that. You've won the title the intercontinental title the Tag Title One Hundred Fifty Thousand Times. That's the title you're associated with. Still the one that you made the risk most real title there is yeah, yeah, out of the ones I want with the icy title. Listen great night. Career night night of my career winning it Wrestlemainia I pulled so many times. Dad Slide into the ring. Awesome storybook night loved it right right, US idol, great the culmination of the whole year. Amazing Awesome, right. The first time, cool second time with Hawkins Cool, but that Internet title was not the titles, but I'm proud of the movement. Yes, you go! Rhino Revolution yet that, but like getting old or hey, you're going to be here. and. I said no, I'm not. Going to be here and to bust my ass and prove myself for an entire counter year. and. Proving people wrong, yes, and I say this all the time proving people wrong cool, but proving everyone right right? That's what felt much better. All those anyone who is supporting me in the back or online proving them rights, right family my friends. That's what matters not proven the haters. No doubt is wrong. That's cool. I guess, but that's not what I cared about. Then certainly I care about now now. The locker room that all loved you. Yeah. Sorry about the house. Head. It is that is true? That title is symbolic of that era and what was accomplished and really I. Mean People Do have to give you credit? What was accomplished at a time? When the Internet was not nearly as powerful as it is today, it was jess starting to become that super super powerful tool. So, like yeah two thousand eleven. Is this banner year? It's incredible like two thousand eleven is the year. That wasn't supposed to happen for you right in happened. So two thousand twelve comes. You going like what the Hell I didn't realize is going up and down up and down. I thought I thought we hit a plateau, a nice little plateau in two thousand and eleven. And it's only up from here because do as at twelve. Now good all right, so couple of things happened. One. WWe They have a youtube channel, but it's like raw and smackdown clips. It's not a channel shared nothing sure so my show is part of this. I don't know if it's a pitch or a presentation or you know, let's start our own channel with original content. We have this show that's proven to be successful and I didn't really want to do it to be honest. Because I done a whole year by myself, and the point wasn't having you can show. The point was to get noticed. On TV I done all that. Really want to do the show itself anymore like it's accomplish what? Like that was the end of the story rooster champion. Because, you're right, because it doesn't make any sense, it's like if you did another season, Sopranos after Tony was already dead like we did it. But I was convinced into doing it. I I don I won't say that. They gave me nothing because they did. Give me a camera to use a laptop. That didn't with a box. That sick! You don't need to throw it out then that's great. That's easy easy. It makes it easier, but now it just what? It just wasn't fun anymore. Because now it's like I needed A. There had to be approvals. Right right. I was too old. There wouldn't be things cut there were things cut right. There was deadlines Adamy so now when I'm home instead of like Oh if I get this up at midnight up to now, I need to get up by. This time has to be done. Yeah, yeah, I mean it would be like. I get it from doing a podcast. It's like. You and your buddies get together and do this podcast and you have your own schedule that you make and you've got your release time that you put it out every week, but you decided all that. If all of a sudden, some podcast network gobbles guys up and goes like no. This is when we need it. This is how you have to do it. This is the segment that it has to be now you're like. Wasn't where we started right, so not only is the. What's the story of the show, right? I don't know and now there are a couple of great episodes in the last fifty. You couple of good. What like last one I'm very proud of this one? Where like a tour of like New York City? There's a couple of cool ones. Most of them are not that good right plus like you said. I mean you're spending literally all your off time doing so? It's like when you don't have that fire to do them because. The purpose isn't as clear as it used to be. Like you spent all those hours doing a thing and there's a couple of times where I'd get a call from somebody from WB. Hey, we need a new show right now. What do you mean new I think people thought I would just take my phone and talking to over three minutes. Solid, right. So like there's a couple of out there There's one where I think it's setting which I'm not GonNa Complain. It's like challenging for Wrestlemania match or something like that so. I'm going to get a recipe. Masquerade I'll put it up, but there's one I put up. They said no to. Like we need a new one by, you know whatever the ended today. And I'm like I can't do that when we need it, so I filmed it I said hey this episode. I told the over poorest episode. was going to be sent whatever seventy-five? Approve it, so I have to talk for two minutes so here you go and I walk off the set for the next two minutes and thirty seconds, and they didn't put that. Know I wouldn't have either I think you put it up right? Didn't you just put it up? put it out not too long ago. Yeah, I saw that I could see why they wouldn't put that up. You know what I'm doing. The show, the first time I see my career going up and up and up and up and up so it's like motivated meets great. Yes, this time I down down and down and. I got to stop doing this. Because to do the same thing over and over is these are the result we gotta? Stop I can't do. We gotTA start it. Just. Listen we talk about how I earlier where I said no, we're not going to do it on w dot com. Now. Here's Times on the flip side where I should have said something I did it. Yeah, yeah, so I think to around this time is when you're not really kidney more either like he's starting to get into those late twenties approaching thirty. Is it difficult to to shift people's perspective from seeing you as a kid like when you come in as a kid and an edge head, right, you're twenty two and you're just following edge around dressed up in tights, and now you want to be like no I'm adult accomplished a lot here. And you know I want to get to that next level. Is it difficult for the people that saw you coming in to kind of make that transition? Let me. Answer that in two ways one when this is all going down, it's like two thousand twelve I'm like twenty six K.. So when everything's going down, the cane pushed me off the stage right either commune. The nuts at the time I was just so like. I, don't WanNa. Use Young as an excuse, but maybe naive thinking okay well canes do, and all this I'll just backlash. Okay, right? At that that wrestlemainia moment where you're like maybe next, it'll be a triple threat. I'm just like okay I'll. That's up to you know something will happen there. Singular moments are still big spots right so right so I'm not like only girl get kicked to the balls to me. Thinking Oh my God wrestlemainia last guy so thinking like that so but. When all this stuff wasn't turning around, where wasn't leading to something? That's when I should like. Knocked up door. It's like hey, what's going on here. Right I at the time because I still let some gratis still sell emerge so popular people still work working my ass up bust. My ass I should have said something. That's on me so I. Like you were Berry. Listen anyone buried anybody? I buried myself because I didn't. Knock on the door and asked why I wasn't. Maybe I was scared enough or not mad. Enough I didn't do it so i. believe me nobody else. And maybe they were waiting for anyway, maybe they will. Maybe they was all just you know if he wanted this bad. Who? Never, be one of those people who says this person helped me down or this person. Talk on my back or this person Barry me listen. I had the opportunity to stand up for myself and I didn't yeah, that's on me. Do you have a that's it yeah? When it comes to the age thing yes, yes. I, even think to this year what I'm. What thirty five right here thirty five. I think people not just me I think. People looked at whoever got into the business in the at that age I think people still to your your question still viewed as twenty one twenty two year old kid, right? Not, you're. Right. Grail right when I saw in the locker room different era. I understand you know back in my day all that BS different era. There's guys like you know jbl highly taker Ben Watt different era. You're not you're walking in from developmental. You're not allowed in the locker room you to earn your spot, right? You know what I'm saying. You need to earn respect. Then go ask if you're allowed right. It's not like that now, and that's fine. Not Saying one way is better than the other. Yeah, right when I started. Okay, there's all these big jacked up, guys. It's probably one of the guys roster now one of the biggest. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, still I'm still viewed as like this little kid, right? When I'm a thirty five year old man. Yes, do I have the toy show? Yes, but I think also the whole world has changed in that regard. A love down yeah yeah. Are you going to that? Two thousand seven locker with my husband. Shop. As supposed to last year off, look legit went to to restore brought it in. It was like in the locker room, and I would say like ninety five percent of the boys like Oh my God I had so cool where you get that I, remember getting this. My birthday or Christmas different era. Here's here's when you know. It's a different era. When it was like official to the world that it's a different era when you guys get ambrose on the podcast talking about toy memories, I'm like that that says everything. Dude. Ones better than the other right, but listen this. This generation of guys are all my age around my age. When when we start hawk, as I was so fortunate to get so lucky, get signed so early. These guys didn't grow up with with figures. We play with their HASBRO figures, yeah. In groping wrestling buddies. Cheats I think that grow up that I think that that's a big difference that like. Degeneration that we are, is that first generation that saw wrestlers as superheroes. You had he man and Ninja Turtles and WWF and that was what you grew up with. Yes ours. Yeah ice cream. You name it. I bought it. My generation had it earliest knew what it was right right right I don't blame the generation before not getting it right. Totally let's I. Don't think what I do. What I collect is like quote. Normal I can see if someone walks into my toy room and sees thousands of action. Verbs play I can understand why people don't get it I get that. Right, but I think it's more accepted now, not just in WWe, but in pop culture in life it's a society you go to these kamikaze to accommodates. It's madness. People like scalper tickets to get in. Wait in a line to get a raffle ticket to maybe by a piece of merchandise. Yeah. It's nuts. I've watched people I mean. They sit there and they camp out. So they can sit in a hall all day long, so you can watch a movie trailer. The by the way will be on youtube after the con- like right after right like that day. You want to watch it, but you gotta be, and you've got to be a part of it. You got to be a part of one of those people. In? My my happens to be the toys collectibles I. I'm not into video games. I grew out of it like sixty four got too hard for me. Retired consuming. But I never I. Don't know why I just never grew out of the toys. Yeah, I mean. I'm the same way. I said I go through that time period where I was embarrassed. Sure Right, I would go to toys. R. US and get gift receipts because I didn't want the cashier. Mind these toys. It'd be the worst when the cashier who that was like. Especially when you guys were right around the same age like it was like a girl that was right around the same ages you and she was like. Do you want a gift receipt and you're of course I do. Of course I WANNA. Give received like what am I going to say? No I don't WanNa give these are for me. Definitely, WANNA give recede I. Don't I'm not going to bring these home and open them up right away? That's ridiculous. I remember when I was in college like all my figures were by bedroom. Look normal, but if you opened up my closet doors, they were all in there like on display. I DUDE! Hit It! Do I. Remember being in Syria, it's like. My whole house is. Anywhere you go, you can see something picking another. You'll see yeah, yeah, I mean now. Now it's everywhere. I'm explaining to my kids. What the differences between their toys and dad's toys like it's a whole thing, but I'm the same way I remember in. Syracuse is in college like right when the classic superstars started and The classic tag teams came out Rockers Legion of doom, and I was like all, because that first series of classic tag teams was Amazing Rockers Heart Foundation Legion of doom, and I was on the wrestling wrestling message boards and. I. I'm I lurk there but I'm sure not say him is still there. But somebody said that they had seen them at the toys R. US Syracuse. So I had to go like in super stealth mode. Luckily I had a car, so could just sneak out in my dorm. Didn't tell anybody. Where I was going found him freaking out, and then number one I had to like you really WanNa. Talk to somebody like look what I found and you you know. Look at people have no idea what you're talking about, but I sneak back upstairs into my dorm room. Like kind of like hiding the toys R. US bag. As I because I didn't WANNA have to explain to people like. Get Out of here to buy these wrestling toys, but look got him. These are still hard to find the brand new. And the wrestling. Is because you know we're on the same age, so of course early ninety s all my friends love it warrior. Hogan Macho King that wrestling but era. Then nobody watched it right so me so like me. Playing with these figures was like my my friends, really creating these these figure feds and these storyline. That's how I really kept. Because nobody wanted to watch it with me, saying I couldn't go to my buddy's house. Which of course I watch it myself or my brothers, but nobody else watches so me playing with these figures with how I kept like the Hobby alive in the love live, and then of course attitude era. We Call I. Call Them Ninety Eight. To. Again! Yeah, yeah, when you guys weren't watching the in your house era. So, then they're out again and then that's when you know I. I can't figures that that's. Like the backyard wrestling like the ten fifteen kids. And then that's how we. Express our love wrestling. which hey, kids don't try at home by the way right like you know. There was no one else people you know. People would make fun of me if I wore a shirt to school. Wrestling shirt to school, because of course if I went to raw Monday, you know I'm wearing that shirt Tuesday. Yeah, yeah. It was one thing when it was cool, and you could wear like the suck it shirt or the NWF. But like I was the kid in middle school that war you know that like that read Sean Michael Shirt where he's just kind of out of the heart like when you're a kid in eighth grade. Or seventh grade whatever it was and people are just starting to kind of like. Hang out with girls and stuff and I'm wearing my red shawn michaels coming out of the heart bash shirt. It's like yeah, but that's my favorite teacher. And of course I'm GONNA wear it. It's like ninth or tenth grade. I'll never forget I'm wear like a two coup. This loopholes. Care really like the coolest in school wasn't. A WBZ receptacle kid. I didn't really care no me, neither me neither, so you had this great presence of mind moment you talked about the intercontinental title. Win at Wrestlemainia, and it really is this. Wild series of events. You're not supposed to be in the match. You tell row dog that you want to hear your music. You've never heard your music played. He goes to bat for you. You're not only ended up in the match, but you end up winning it like I remember sitting there in Dallas to whoever I was with. Who Do you think's GonNa win? I was like I could see I could see them giving it to start maybe probably the Ms. they're definitely not going to give it to Ryder but. That was the thing right and? That's that's it right here? We go right and that moment that's what made it a feel good moment. But how did you have the presence of mind to know? If I let my dad, who's not even supposed to be here by the way just snuck into the ring. If I let my dad put this cowboy hat on my head right now it's going to ruin everything like you had the presence of mind. Hey Hey. I know my dad. So people still take, it's like storyline or part of the show. It was not right like I winning. I don't even know where my dad is. I know he's I'm sure he somewhere right right so I'm doing the woo hard cam and at that point, ziglar come on in wave. Okay. In the ring, look it up me. I'm like what? I, go to I, go down. There is A. God Damn how? I rip it right off. They just instinct like come on. Yeah, you should have. Serious Doubts Ebb. pull the show. Michaels like you know that Ole Wrestlemainia twelve story where you get Outta my ring like. Listen Super Cool I've said this before. On other shows like so rob Schamberger who is important is painting of me hugging I'd at mania at the icy title and it's. What I got release. I knew it was coming because I've got A. Matt. Please call me when he talked. Early do think a raise Wisconsin. I saw I saw. Hawking. So? Yeah, so I knew what was about to go download. That painting hanging up. And I just stood in front of it. I smile. I took the call you know whatever I said and that was it like. It is what it is for me I. needed this to happen and that I my contract was going to be up in August I had not resigned yet and I was offered a new deal like almost everyone else was like before last Wrestlemainia In negotiations? Up until this past muscle mania, obviously, and then you know, I didn't know what I wanted to do. Do I WANNA stay? Yes, like I've had this up and down. Career and I'm so grateful for it right like my dream was to be a wwe. It's all I ever wanted to do and I was there when I was twenty right so I lived dreamlike. Today main of Wrestlemanias win the world title. No, but some some bad memories of things I'm very proud of. Because actually figures out of it, yeah. Yeah very proud and happy and my career. There you know plus the minds to like I feel like those moments I think about that. A lot of those moments are the things that. Can never go away like regardless of what happens now. It's like I feel like for you. Honestly even though you weren't actually in the ring at the time, you know we want Ryder. Being chanted to the rock is a moment I feel like the Intercontinental Title Win I. Feel Like that last tag title win at Wrestlemainia with Hopkins. Like that's one of those moments that you're like. If this were to end today and I never wrestle again. I never step foot in a ring. I'm not even a public person. After this like that happened I did that. And, you see these titles that have on the walls and like. That I. hold the. Day or the US idol for two weeks, or whatever yeah, but like you said every time I, one of those titles. It was a moment right I didn't win it at backlash. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, he was something to me. so super cool but when I got released I knew okay, because I've been you dealing with us. Do I stay. Do I do I stay? Do I go for over a year? And it was just eating me alive just every day thinking about it or you know what a mad TV like having to talk to like Mark Chronic. What are we doing here like? It was just. It was just eating me away. You know what I'm saying. So when that call was made, and the decision was made for me. Oh. My God you, you hear the people get relieved. I was so relieved, right? Decision was made now. Okay, now all right, personally DOT COM Ecuador. Let's start that baby up which by the way already had set up before I was texted the call because I kind of do, something's going down. I feel like like what you guys set up with the PODCAST. How Entrepreneurial Entrepreneurial take a shower? Take little you guys were like you kind of already understood. How this business can work even in a time like now when you can't wrestle like you would already started becoming that sort of independent business person through the PODCAST, because it's not like you know the income from the podcast just comes in through adds. A mighty fast. Say Crumbs May crummy cake baby? Yeah, the Ad, revenue or podcast very low, because listen, you need to listen to podcasts right? Listen to wrestling podcast right, and then what Elizabeth wrestling figure podcast right so the an issue of Asia right, but then like we take that core audience, and then we okay with this youtube channel. Hey we have this merch here. We have these toys over here. Live shows over here and. It just crosby cake and we hustle hustle I. Don't mean like Slime Ball, alike, you know. Copy a lot of money. We work our. Asses off right especially now because we have more time, and we WANNA provide the most content, the best content, and we want people to feel like. Hey, you know what like. I can collect figures I can't like figures. I can like title belts or chocolate jackets and be cool. You know what I'm Dan. I WanNa ruin that stigma like that's not cool to collect toys or to collect wherever you like, and I think with the pockets. We've been doing that 'cause. Yeah, there's a little kid. There's look to come to the shows or by merger. Listen to shows, but it's mostly like people, our age, a little younger little older. Yeah, also I mean. It's also the community that you've built like I. Know that I I've. I like. I knew Zombie sailor. Before your podcast, I knew a new. Toys before your podcast, but like the. Plugin. I'll probably edited out. Just, throw the old silver balls beep. But there are a whole bunch of other people that bought Hasbro's and stuff from people that. You guys have talked about on the podcast because I'm like. Oh, I knew about that, but I didn't know about this and I knew about an anti brings everything together, do you? Do you think? You guys are one of the big reasons why this Hasbro market has blown out. Yeah, one hundred percent because I think there are a lot of people who listen to podcasts who maybe collected at one time. But don't anymore like let me give this thing a shot. They listen to like you know what man like. Let me, get that one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one hogue, and whether maybe they got it further birthday their favourite gift ever and I'm just using hold. It could be anybody right right, or maybe they didn't get it. Maybe that Christmas morning. They they waited. They opened that gift. Is GonNA be Hogan? It wasn't Hogan now. They can recreate that. Oh, you know what maybe I'll get Texas Tornado didn't ask you know what screw and let me get them all, yeah! Plus the way people have been collector shamed. I won't mention any names on the show before they know like I need have a perfect Ludwik borge like I can't. Run and. So I think we're just spreading awareness and. And I love that there are other podcast popping up. There's there are other pockets before so I. Love it because. Why wouldn't you want other people talking about this subject? Because guess what I. I hope that this Guy Mark Bushy he's creating his own wrestling very podcast myself. I hope because bigger than ours, because guess what what people listening to him, and they love it so much well. Who else might list to listen to podcast right like I? Don't understand why anybody would hate somebody else for a creative. Want community, so anyone who's trying to like 'cause the censured listen wrestling community. If is causing in a wrestling community. You really need to reevaluate your life. Say Yeah Yeah Yeah like. We all need to come together on this. We can't cut the editor. We can't like yeah, yeah, we need to support each other here. Because otherwise like it's not like we're going to be able to go into the world, and they're gonNA understand US right, so we're all this community, and you know an very proud of what we've accomplished. With the PODCAST and we want to make it as big as possible and you know this something. We presented the WB. Obviously sacking Kurt, whatever it was going to be called time. They said No. We weren't doing eight. We're not doing any podcast so a little Birdie told hey, just go ahead and do it. so it became Matt and Brian's major recipe pockets, and that was the first time really I'd really gone by Matt Cardona Right. If. It wasn't for the podcast I wouldn't be comfortable. Wrestling on the indies Matt Code I'd probably be like. Z. Man. Oh. Yeah, yeah, and it's also one of those things to. If you're not the one in charge of this podcast like is is if you have a boss, even wwe if it's one degree. If it spotify lever, the boss doesn't matter like. Are they going to sit there and be like? Hey, we don't want you guys spending forty five minutes. Just listening the things you bought this week. Meanwhile, they don't realize that the audience is listening because they want to hear what you bought this week. You know what I mean. It's not the list of what we bought. It's conversation, yeah. I M right. There's a way if this is a wwe show. I'd be able to produce a shirt. This, it's krld. Who's that referee Dick Warlock? We're. We're talking about a hard to get Dick Wurley action cars. Yeah. It's impossible, yeah. figure. Out Lewis! It's middle caught, so it's hard right right? Right Dick is hard, yeah! Yeah, yeah, that's same. Together. We're talking about a very hard to get rare. Actually figure out Dick Worley. You going to the gym where you that's cool? And the newest thing we're doing I think you'll pop this. I know you're definitely not a Patriot member, but something we'd been doing on our Patriot. Now you talk about nerdy. Nerdy, we have fantasy fans and we you know we don't actually sit there and play with the figures, but we talk about them like we are. Having you know Brian has his guys I have my guys, but it got so popular the Patriots that we're doing it as a spinoff show to the major recipe podcast every week, so it's going to be like its own. It's all show every. August every. You like my stover's his show and I like so it'll be a figurehead which means it's not just about like Oh will. This wrestler is my favorite, so he's going to do well. If it's a good figure like figures that are more fun to play with or just like like Roddy Piper won the championship in my Hasbro Fed when I was a kid, not because I was the biggest Roddy Piper fan in the world, but because that figure look good with the belt on him. So. He became the champion because it looked good with the Hilton. Catch you can't just you know. Let's say we're doing L. J. N. figure we. We can't just draft. Well! A, good example. Let's say Mattel right. Draft? Undertaker has to be series forty, five hundred. It has to be very specific, and if you say like, let's say you are doing now. If you said like ravishing rick, rude, you know he won this match with the rude awakening. How do you do that? His hands are. Possible. Yeah, he couldn't have done that ridiculous. It's completely loses the integrity of what we're doing here. I love that I love that actually coming soon. Yeah, yeah, no, I love it because I'm going to be sitting there. Being like that is a good figure. That figure does that move good like no jumper. In my Hasbro Fed ever won a title ever without a big jumper guy. Now I hated them hated hated him. Well Look Matt Cardona the Michael Jordan of of of wrestling for collecting. Out Yeah. Yeah Yeah I think it's important if you guys want to. Support! The former Zack Ryder now Mac Cardona always ready, but it's funny that you say you're always ready. Cause listened to Pat Bucks podcast, and Hawkins said that you look always ready, but your cardio is terrible. You get blown up because you don't do anything in the ring when you're not wrestling. The. Hawk Hawkins said that Buck Show your. released. I've only been in the ring once. Bax Spirit. I worked out there. I gave Chelsea the Brosky boot. Yeah Yeah. But let's say there's like it was like riding a bike. He said he said that when you were off. TV for like a year you'd. You wouldn't do anything like if you work in live event. You're gonNA live events, but if you weren't, you didn't do anything in the ring. I'M NOT GONNA. Let Hawk spread this property. Just jealous, you know. I work a lot harder than Haughey's. Oh you. It's icy. Wrestler school he cheats. That's true that. He has created a pro. Up in New York and you, the school here create a Bro. That's good. I like that. The podcast spinoff of the school. Yeah, yeah, and then you gotta competitions about who's stooge. Students do better. Yeah. Super Show Tuber show mania we. BROZA PROS It's really it's A. It's still create a probe like you know. Create a maybe some spray paint right. You'll create pro wolf pack right you. I got. I got it we you can. You can of course if you're a wrestling, figure or memorabilia fan in general like. If you're just a collector you'll, it's so funny like if you collect any wrestling stuff and you listen to the major wrestling figure podcast you start going like yeah I really should get that like I. Literally last time I listened to your show. You're talking about wrestling figures and I was like I gotta go check on my Simpson's collection I gotTa. I gotTa make sure that I'm complete their, Mike. And I went through the box and started ebaying stuff and everything, so it just gets that. That collector bug. It just activates it every single time theft. Doing that's what I was doing by the way remember you sent me that Louis Borge. After the caroline show. 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Riggs Calls In From the Ryder Cup in Paris

Fore Play

1:34:13 hr | 2 years ago

Riggs Calls In From the Ryder Cup in Paris

"I guess this is just of wa. I say goodbye and French born Bonjour. Hello on jobs as say, Hello. But I think our vase e the thank you or goodbye. So that's where we're gonna. I think both applies here. And look at this stuff that they probably some of it's like, absolutely. But some of its action quite quite amusing and stuff like that is what we need to get people to attract people to to the game boys. Congratulations. On your doing. Mediocre as it is. He's no are younger hip or forms barstools four Tigers had three back surgeries. He's had one fusion. We welcome in from barstool sports rigs. And Trent guys awards presented by barstool sports. I am talking to you live from France. I am in France, gentlemen at we're gonna. I'm actually I wanna talk about how good I am right out, but I want you guys to ask me, so I'm gonna ask you first. How are you guys you're in another country right now? I think we sat in here just about two minutes ago and I looked at Trent and I'm like, we're going to do this podcast wears rakes like he's just you're just in another part of the world right now, and you sound great. You're probably feeling great. I guess. How are you doing. Boy, let me tell you. I am sitting on a balcony out here on kind of a roof deck. I guess my cell phone, Logan, where out a roof deck, I'm drinking some French wine. I got a French read in front of me. It's about nine o'clock at night. I'm in France. I'm in gay and call France, which is about forty five minutes outside of the Paris. And let me tell you this. We've had a lovely couple of days a fantastic couple of days. A lot to talk about a tons of talk about. We've got the pairings pairings of come out. We're gonna talk about that or travel to the la- golf Nationale, which Frankie your nail. Everybody out of here says leg off national. I mean, it's right off your tongue right now. I, it says, if you know, sounds better that you're saying in front. Yes, but it's almost as if you never heard me say it's just coming out of you that way. So one day I kinda realize that the French their teens aren't as enunciated as we announce them, they're almost more like essence. So if you say like leg off Nationale then it's, it's almost you have to kind of like present it like you're incapable of making a t. sound, but you're trying to and you say, like leg off NASA now is kind of how they say it. And then once you get to that point goal, I mean rigs. I'm not. I'm not. I don't wanna. I don't wanna get past what you're doing. I mean, I'm looking at this picture right now of you just I guess, on this deck that you speak of, you're wearing all Peter Millar gear. You're holding your wine. You look like it looks as though a French artist painted the background from behind you. I mean, you have like this little tree in a bunch of rocks that sitting there for like, I don't even know what that's doing those rooftops background really, really finish it off. It looks fantastic. You look like you stepped out into, you know. Into heaven. It's funny. You should mention that Frankie because we probably took that photo. Logan took that photo. I don't know an hour ago, maybe forty five minutes ago, and we're hanging out in our beautiful Airbnb here in France, and he said, you gotta come out to the deck. You gotta come out to the balcony the sunset right now off the charges, unlike anything you've ever seen. So I came out that's just naturally what I was wearing on my Peter Mark here that I was wearing came out and he was like, you should grab a bottle of wine. So we opened all bottle of wine poured myself a glass of red of literally just genuine, sincere French Red wine. And we took that picture and I put it on the Instagram and let me tell you Frankie. People are bunch. And also Logan's like cheat code, right? Logan takes these pictures each other to that guy because he just knows how to Anglesey knows the color schemes. He took a picture of me wants drinking fireball and it's like I have it hanging in my rude when he first got here, Kevin started that kicks in the office Instagram account where like people were around the office straw shoes and Kevin was like, all right, I'm gonna. Do I'm going to do another one in loans like, no, no, let me do it. Logan took the shoes, took it outside onto the street through the shoes into the air and and hit a bunch of pictures, and they are the best pictures on that entire Instagram account. Logan is a wizard, Fisher, Logan. Joe Logan was like, well rigs. I'm going to put a couple of filters on it. Let me let me touch it up a little bit. And then when he says it back to me, my phone almost exploded glowing from how hot the picture was. And he said back, and then he went on to say, because I started, I started teasing a little bit, but the last time that I changed my profile pic on Twitter was two and a half years ago when I was in London. With guys. And I was like, dude, I might have to make this my new profile pic because it's that hot. It's that good. And then he bragged him was like, if you do that, you'd be like the fifth person at barstool whose profile pic is a photo that I Nate. Nate, avatars, the picture that Logan took me. It was like, I, I've never even seen myself look like this and he changes avatar. So Morgan looking can make the anybody look fantastic, their impressive what they do, the camera, the balcony. I'm on the balcony, the balcony that you see in the photograph that many people are going to source in reference after a here. This is exactly where I'm coming to you from Logan is walking around like a wizard right out taking all kinds of footage he's film and everything that happens. Bigshots Logan we landed. So let me give you a little taste in my journey so far we took the Red Eye last time I saw you guys was Tuesday at the office, took the Red Eye to Paris, pretty gotta be honest. It's almost it's almost devilish and like a little too tempting how easy it is to get the Paris, specially when you. Live in New York that we just we just arrived at the airport like five. We took like a seven o'clock flight. Watch the movie or two fell asleep for like three hours on the plane woke up, and it was like eight AM and we were just in Paris, just like if you can do it, so unbelievably easily, we're just in Paris. So we arrive. We're all hyped up. The driving gentlemen in Paris, and in France in general is so exponentially easier than it is in Scotland that I was just stunned in Scotland. I don't know. It's almost like in Scotland, they didn't want anybody to come visit. So they just decided to reverse everything to the to the degree that like you didn't even know fucking which hand you in which engine left in in Scotland because you're sitting on the right side of the car, but you're in the left side lane and it's all chaotic and France. It's just normal. The only thing that's different is the language. So when you look up at the street sides, you just can't read anything. You have no clue what anything says. You don't know what any of the streets is mean whatsoever. So it's kind of the total crapshoot. Like when you go through a four-way stop, it's. Of just a total crapshoot drank slowdown. Should I go straits? I go west. I like what the fuck should I do? But outside of that, the driving same side of the road, same side of the car. All that we got ourselves a nice Mercedes-Benz because all the Ben's out here, like in Europe, the Benz is like the normal car. That's like it's like a Toyota. Correct. So they were like, hey, it's like seven dollars a day more to upgrade to say he's been, do you want to do that? We like, oh, yeah, you wanna do that. So the boys, I mean, we buy like French Red wine. We're buzzing around in a Benz. We got Peter Millar had the tell. I mean, life is good right now. We made our way out to golf Nationale yesterday we walk the course, the course is I have to say the course is one of the most phenomenal venues for an event like this because every hole it's almost like TV see sawgrass. If you remember Trent, daddy, all the stadium stuff that they have down there. Every hole is like they just have these elevated hills and stadiums. The stadium course all that stuff. They golf Nationale. They Goff gnashing out. They golf Nationale is exactly like that. Whereas like almost every hole all around the greens or these elevated mound, and it's like they, they built grandstand certain spots that they almost didn't even have to you because the whole thing is just perfect reviewing. So it is going to be a fucking scene out here this week, get a seat. I always I saw some of the pictures that you're putting up. I was stunned at these, you know, already built in grandstands into the grass essentially that you're talking about right now on the water around the around the greens. This look so calm that it's everything. Everything just looks so picture. Perfect. I don't know if it's because you guys did you guys walk the course a little later in the day where you there all day. Did you take the pictures later when it was just like setting for some reason? Everything that I saw just look like. Perfect. Unless it just is perfect. That's a really good question cracking. So what happened was when we arrived, we arrived to like eight or nine in the morning by the time we got, I only out here. It was like noon ish or so we gotta do the rental car stuff. We had to figure out where to drop our stuff all that. So by the time we got here was noon or so. Then we got into the course it was like one o'clock. And by the time we got on the course almost all the players had finished because they only did like nine holes. So most of the players were off the course. So most of the pictures we took, they were a combination of nobody was really on the golf course. And Logan was doing his magician, like photographer, Viagra for crazy act shit. So the pictures did come out, unbelievably like peaceful and calm largely because nobody was on the course. But also because even if I, if the entire country of France was on the course, Logan would've made those pictures appear unbelievably calm. Oh, man, so so you go around yesterday. What's the? Is there a buzz there? You know a couple of days before the Ryder Cup even begins. Is there buzz amongst the fans there already. So it's kind of weird in that it's in Paris. It's in France and France. I mean, it's not like a golf hub. It's not a Ryder Cup hub outside of John van de Velde who honestly surrendered and collapsed as like, that's just what the French do. They like nobody really knows any French copper. So it's not like France's this huge golf hub. So the first couple of days out here have been. I mean, there is a buzz in the sense that the grand stands behind the first team or the most outrageous grandstands at ever seen in the history of grad says. I mean, they are. I would describe them as their head tilting. Like if you approach them, you have to stop and then tilt your head backwards to see the top of because they're so tall. They're like head tilting, Lee tall. That's how it's all they are. It's crazy. I'll tall there. So that is that little thing that's like. That grandstand is almost like a a beacon of like excitement that exists on the course because almost no matter where you are at. Of course, you can see the grand stands behind the first team and you just get this crazy excitement about how packed and wow d- and just jam-packed is entire things going to be so that does exist. But yesterday afternoon, it was kind of it was quiet. If I mean we went to a couple of like burger spot. They have like these trucks that they brought up trucks, pizza, places, all that you saw a little bit from the video today. But when we rolled up to them, there was like nobody alive basically. So it almost feels like a calm before the storm. If you will, people excited. Don't get me wrong tiger. We saw tiger for a little bit yesterday and there was a sea of people. People were chanting Tigers name. He was just walking across the practice and the Europeans. They were like Thai or Thai Thai. Got how. Let's listen to that little flair gave that man you are turning into. He might never come back with the French guy. What's the word now that what's the word? The little accents. He's putting on these things. What said. Day goose. Excellent. Did you hear the way he tell Tiga. It's like he can. He does. It's almost like he's saying it was like a mouthful of water like, and he just doesn't want to close his mouth. If the golf balls, the only piece of equipment you used on every shot entitles lets you make your own at titlis dot com. We did a title this ball tour. When we went, we went through what was it? Ball plant, number thal, relent number, three's in Boston. Let me tell you something about these golf balls. Trent. I've been golfing a longtime, yes. I've been using ProVia one's a longtime. There's just something different about getting them customize. I'm not even just saying this because like it's on an ad read, I'm telling you straight up right to your face right now that when I put a ball, especially a ProVia one or my, my personal favorite appropriate when I put it on a t and I look at that and it says pizza maker on John say or used to say, I used to put return this ball and get one free drink of Borelli on my ProVia ones. Yeah, you can do whatever the hell you want on these custom balls and their incredible. It's the best ball and golf, and then you customize it. When your friend picks up your ball, it's just your name on it. Right? Yeah. Mine just. Has Trent on it. So we're going to see it does customize ProVia ones. Probably one Xs, here's what you gotta do. You can customize your titles golf balls with a favourite play number personalization or logo like we're talking about, and we've worked with title is for in a sweepstakes to win a supply a year supply of golf balls. All you gotta do. Here's all you gotta do. 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When you go through, they like tag it and then there's like prices and they kind of confuse you on, like if you don't order the right meal, then they're gonna charge you twenty euros or something for this extra caveat to your meal and all that. Meanwhile, will you go to the US open and you go to the PGA championship like you guys know Kwan dive bars are basically just falling out of the freezer. They're like slapping in the face all that we grab a bottle of water and feels like they're going to tag you for like six euros or something. So it's not great. We basically, I guess that we've Oude that we will never step foot in the media cafeteria ever. Again, the entire time number here, the media center is, I would say. Five, five times less cool as either media center that we've been into this far. It's just I don't know if it's just because we're in Europe and it's right, got Europe. Europe, putting thing on instead of PGA have America or Ryder Cup USA or close personal friend US j. or whoever. But in general, media accommodations, nowhere near what I've seen the US or at the PJ of America. And also I have to point out of that. We are the furthest away media outlet, but as ever been put into immediate center and not only that, but our little like booth thing that they gave us in the back is in like this corner, and you have to go through a bunch of other media outlet booths to get to it. And so we're basically like all the heat has for some whatever reason been like pushed into this little corner. So we're literally in like a four foot by four foot sweatshop in the back in the knees. So don't love that. I only saw that not it sounds like they just jumped the the American media and they gave delay do all the other American media companies have a horrible, horrible accommodations. I feel like the Ryder Cup Europe is like, fuck these guys. Which turned daddy. That's a great question. If that were the case, I would respect it. I would totally understand it and I and that's fine. It's US against your up. That's what we're doing here. That's the whole thing. I don't know. We spent so little time in there because of how disgusted we were by their lack of hospitality that I didn't even have time to investigate where the American outlets were versus the European outlets. I will say that I saw a bunch of like BBC news tags very close to the front of the media center, and that's not where barstool sports is. I'll tell you that much, so it is a little bit curious. Very curious, the media centers have these huge large, you know, TV screens, right? So you can see what's going on. Obviously you can do your job from in there and from where rigs and barstool sports is sent a little. You know, our spot is in the picture. It looks smaller than what you're it's his hotel room, the TV look, they make your so far away that that like eighty foot TV looks like an iphone screen. Brady, no joke. I need a pair of documents in the media center to see the screen in the media. I can't even. I don't know what they're putting on. Can't read it. You legitimately can't read it wherever sitting you have to go outside of our sweatshop booth in the back. Right. And you have to like walk five rose up to even see what's on the screen. Yeah. I mean, listen, like you said, I would totally respect that you're on their soil. You wanna show up to their place and you want to cover their golf course. They're gonna stick you in the sauna, but if they're not doing that, it's just like they just fucked up and they just didn't. You know, live up to the standards of what we've been accustomed to here in America. And with our close personal friend, the USDA and the PD of America. And like you just said the amazing amenities. We have Klondike bars. We have stuff we have. We have snicker ice cream bars everywhere you walked the starburst pairs on her, you know. You know, chicken, chicken nuggets, and chicken fingers. I was eating salads. I was eating salad. I had tuna fish everyday. I don't wanna make your mouth. Listen, you're in France. All right. I wanna stop this actually right here. You're in France who's sitting on a God damn balcony, sip and red wine in verse. I. I think you can take, you know, not the best amenities when you're on the golf course at the Ryder Cup. Let me tell you this. I'll give you an example. The food is so bad. At the media accommodation centre that Logan, I just ordered Domino's, oh, shit. Yeah. Ricochet Sean dominant side. We're basically in verse I and we just ordered Domino's. Now, you know, frankly, we've gotten into this debate before I love Domino's. I think Domino's delicious. However, when you're in a new place, yeah, you like to venture out a little bit. You like to dabble get a little bit of cultural experience. All that. We're so scarred by our experience at the Ryder Cup, Europe provided media cafeteria that we just ordered to medium pepperoni and sausage pizza pies from Domino's, and we couldn't be more excited about anything about it. Yeah, not great at look for the for French cuisine, next nails. I can't even think of the French French French toast. Yeah, right here. I gotta ask you. I saw that pizza, or are you from sauce or whatever? Is that pizza that good race, I'm not. I'm not even fucking around the. I know how suspect that review is for people that don't understand. You know, I film Dave porno e pizza every single day of down four. Hundred and fifty reviews. We go to every single place in America. It feels like nonstop. I, I started my life out of pizzaria with my mother. My dad, then I finally ventured out and now I, I'm, I'm still doing pizza. I just can't get away from pizza. So with all that in your mind, you would think that I would know, like pretty decent pizzas, right. I've seen a lot of good ones as a lot of bad ones. When we came across this new place sauce pizzeria can't believe how much promotion they're getting. It is seems like they paid us right does when we went to sauce. We just like stumbled across this place. Dave got recommended from this restaurant owner of this amazing fish place in the city called Lur the skies like, and when you get like a recommendation from a fucking chef in New York City, you know, it's gonna be the real deal. So we were excited to go. There we go there. It's raining, we weren't. We didn't know how it's going to be. We always do the reviews outside. It was pouring it only been open for a week. Don't even open for a week. So we're like, there's no reviews there. No one even knows what the hell the place is called, ma'am. We had this slice of pizza David. I give it a nine point one. I was blown away. I, you could actually, if you if you bumped up the volume, you can hear me in the background or wall. Like when Dave says a nine point one. I mean, we've done really good pizza places. I print street pizzas one of my favorite and he rated it like an eight point something I'm like when I when he's did not my jaw hit the ground. I went in there. I had to do the piece. I had to have a slice of p. Pizza, and I may Dave for the first time in my life. I'm like, Dave hold. This guy named camera. I told him we can't leave until I get on this video. I said, I must tell the people that this isn't the owner came in on the review to be. There happened to swear to God. He happened to be there. His girlfriend happened and be there. It just seems suspect. We give this new place. People think Dave has equity in this place, right? Which would actually work if he if you own a place. Instead it's nine point. One people would be going crazy for sure. I had this pizza. I told they film me, I swear to God. I don't think I've ever had a better tasting pizza mind, tireless. I went home and told my dad. I'm like this place just dominant. I I was like, this is the best pizza I've ever had. I told my dad, he has to come to the city to try it. It's craziness stunt. Moving into sitting next week. I told the guy I will only be ordering pizza from this place. He's like, he's like, absolutely unbelievable. That it was that good. Nine one is so high. I mean, that is very high. I've seen a lot of pizza reviews Frankie and I'm watching this one. And then all of a sudden the end, my guy Frankie appears here. It is review the pizza. I was like, khloe shit. It's Frankie's going out of his way. Yeah, devours for this place. It must be pretty legitimate, but you're right. I mean, there was not only was it the, the owner and the girlfriend were all involved, but the fact that it's only been open since Saturday like come on a place, can't have act gonna pizza. It's only been over for like two days, but you know, you came on your pretty convincing buddy. You're very convincing him that it was funny the top comment on like Facebook was and now this guy's a millionaire. The owner was just glowing. Yeah, he's watching himself become successful in in front. It looked like he was gonna hug. Dave. When he gave them a nine point one and I'll end on this. He has his fucking. He has this oven that can I can change the heat of the crust and also change the heat of the cheese. So he can shoot heat at the crust and also at the cheese and he can change the heat. I'm like, what are you talking about? Now, dude, this is Bryce, and this is the Bryce into Shambaugh pizza. But honestly, it tasted good. So at that point I threw all that shit out the windows eight. Buddy. It looks domino. So I had to ask you about it. All right. So the last thing I is a couple of things I want to say about the French before we move onto actually talking about the goal, which is that. If you lead with bone jolt, then it changes everything about your interaction with the French. So we all have this. We've all been told kind of this, this judgment that the French are assholes. If you go to France and you don't speak French and you're not a French person, they're going to be mean to you. I have learned through a couple of days now try on air that if you just lead with a little bit of French, even like any little dosage of French that you possibly know if you lead with some French, you disarm them, you can you disarm them from their like, fuck miss American perks to like, oh, he's trying like he's at least trying to speak French. Okay, I'll be friendly and then you actually learn that most French people are actually incredibly cut and they're actually been unbelievably like hospitable helpful. We need directions. We went into a little sandwich shop last night. We got sandwiches. And pizza. And like we, we didn't speak. Obviously we speak basically, no French. The guys spoke basically no English, but I went in and lead with like, oh boy, your like pizza. Like all that cheeseburger, you know. And he immediately, he was like, oh, I smiled all that many helped us out. However, do you go into a French conversation? And you just lead with like blockhead English, they will not give you an outs. I'll give you know thing. They'll give you Jin nothing and you're stranded island like you like you're not humid like they treat you like you're a bug and that you're incapable of like forming thoughts or anything like that. So my number one lesson, my number one tip to anybody out there goes the France and the future, or like one or two words of French that you can lead with like lower your and say, Mary seem though coup drop that shit left and right, and they love it because they sense that you're trying. And as long as you're trying you disarm them and boom, they'll be very friendly. That's interesting. Because I feel like most people think that, like if you said that to a French person, they'd be like, all right, you're, you're not saying correctly, and it feels like you're mocking us, but it actually works the other way, which is a very good lesson to teach. It reminds me of national Lampoon's European vacation when they're out there in France, and they're ordering from the French waiter and yangs like talk. And they're just using just very, very, like you're saying, just like boneheads is American words in the waiters talking back to them if for being. You obviously you don't speak French. You don't understand God damn word. I'm saying you. He's like nodding very nicely and he's just giving them everything that they didn't want that is what I would not want to do. I actually, if I ever do go to France, I'm gonna now lead with just bone, Joe. I'm just gonna, say Bonjour, like time. I think I'll do great in France. Yeah, because I just all the words up, so they'll think that I don't think I think your friend don't think I'm friendship. There's there's something wrong with me, right? Why is this guy? Is this guy where in USA writer he's French, but he's off right. You guys. Trend data, especially, you're absolutely right, and that you're I sense, you're nervous to start dropping French words because you don't want to be exposed as someone that doesn't really know what the fuck they're talking about. And that is the sense that I had run out of the gate. That's kinda what three hours you that plague Logan is that he was like really hesitant to start using French words because he's like, I don't think I, I don't think I've pronounce them the right way. They're gonna know that I'm just some cloud trying to pretend like fit in turns out it's the opposite of you. Just if you show any effort whatsoever, speak their native language. You're trying to like fit in your pointing and just like friendship riding words a little bit like you're trying. They dig that that totally disarms them and their way more welcoming, and they'll be, they'll be very helpful to you going forward. For the most part, we had a couple of bad interaction a couple. I would say, like eighty percent of people have been more than accommodating once we lead with like more sure. And. Then you gotta go, what's your, what's the vibe, or what's the sense you get from European fans towards just the American team USA the golf team itself? Are they inviting or is there? Is there any hostility? What's what's the feeling like. You know, I would say that it's been surprisingly friendly, and I think too that there's a certain degree of the American players are. On the whole bigger stars just in general across the globe, then the European players. Right. So you definitely get a sense of, they're almost like desperately clinging to this like euro team tried, which I can't blame them for because the European team is obviously like if it's not very common for if you're a French, if you're like a huge French Phanor, huge Spanish cough, enter huge English gone fan. You typically like you like to in the euro copper in the World Cup, you root for England or Spain or France, and now you're pitted into the situation where you root for Europe as a collective thing. And that's not very old. Like the European Union is not very old, and so it doesn't have kind of this traditional ruthless all in national. Realistic vibe that America has right. Like we've been throughout the existence of the Ryder Cup. We've always been America red, white and blue. You know, everybody knows what that stands for. We might be obnoxious. I'd be this or that, but we are America. Whereas the European crew, they hype themselves up every couple of years to get into like, oh yeah, we're all in on Europe now, like I might be a Spanish guy, but I love English, which is not something they do all the time. So I do get a sense that that exists. I get a sense that the American stars especially tiger tiger and it's probably skewed right now because he's coming off of his win. People are buzzing. Everywhere he goes. I mean, you saw the opening ceremonies tonight when every other player Europeans and Americans included got introduced at the opening ceremonies, nobody got anything close to what Tiger Woods got which was a standing ovation. That brought tears demise again, and I'm pretty sure tiger like started crying again as the European crowd, and you could tell it was massively European because they did. They tried to do if you are rooting for America, give this if you're rooting for Europe, give up that, and it was like ninety five percent European. So clearly it's like a crazy euro crowd and they for tiger and they started chanting, Tigers name. They were going nuts for Tigers. So it's kind of this weird vibe of they obviously love the Europeans. Logan made a great point that when we rolled into the airport in Paris, there was like a giant billboard for Tommy Fleetwood. That was all about, like if you wanna look like Tommy Fleetwood do this, which is crazy because that would never fly the states, but he's a way bigger starred Europe. So there is a degree of that, but overall, the US guys, especially the tiger fill to a certain extent are way bigger global stars than almost any of the European guys. So there. Kind of this weird feeling of like a lot of the people here are just kind of excited to like, see guys. If you are a social butterfly liquid Ivy aids recovery after a night out fuels. 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Whatever they don't want to be seen as the guys that yell into the microphone. After somebody, it's a tee shot, which I completely respect. I think that we all kind of like that to a certain degree, like we ought to see American. We have a higher tower for people that are loud and they get obnoxiously drunk and all of that. We have a very different tolerance for that, and but sure we're gonna understand how people find it classier more traditional, whatever the way that they might do it over here at certain events and all that, so that a hundred percent exists. I will also say that like our only experience so far has been mostly just a Wednesday at the Ryder Cup, which is still two days out the pitch the fever pitch has gained a ton of traction yet today we were inside the Airbnb, editing all day, trying to get a video up trying to do like social media stuff, blog come this stuff, so we didn't even really make some the course today. So our only real experiences from Wednesday. In Wednesday, just again, the excitement hadn't necessarily built. I think that when we do our follow up podcast on Monday or Tuesday of next week that comes out, I imagine we'll be singing a different tune. People are going to be coming in, smelled kinds of different places. I learned we learned on the way here that it's only like a two hour and fifteen minute train from London to Paris, which I just I didn't even know that was really possible. So I think that there's going to be a ton of rowdy European fans that are going to get, you know, under the skin of certain Americans or certain American fans or whatever. I think that to a certain degree, they're going to be just as obnoxious just as drunk as American fans getting all of that. So I think it's going to pick up a ton over the weekend tomorrow morning. I cannot wait for I marry excited for us to talk about the pairings and all of that, but so far it's been pretty calm. Okay. Yeah, that sounds about right. What you're saying like. It's going to be the polar opposite of the next couple of days. People are just as soon as they get get into their drinks, it's going to be. It'll look very much like a Ryder Cup feel. I would think the opening ceremony really gets people go home and those fucking planes were flying over and tiger. Like you're saying Tigers getting chanted like now are gearing up. Now we're going. Yeah, I mean that kind of bra. I think you're you nailed that brought a whole different feel when I saw those planes once people were kind of how many people were in there. It was like it was like a. It was a Stanley Cup celebration when they bring it to that final destination and they look at a sea of people. That's exactly what it was. It was insane. Unfortunately, our rigs guy Bryson to Shambo was the first person we saw come out of the tunnel and he's like walking around and giving people like thumbs up like a a pointed at people like pro. You're not the Beatles. Get up there fucking to sit down your kid. Go one podcast without Frankie about with all the sunglasses. They're huge glass crew. Yeah. Ever since. Kind of like a night. It's like the, it's like the plane them getting off the plane set the tone there. Like we're just going to wear sunglasses the entire time rigs is Francis a sunglass place? What what's what? The sunglasses. I feel like every picture we see these guys, they're, they're all rock and shades. Have you guys could hear me too, and they're chewing some fringe cheese. I can't explain how good their cheeses French era. For the most part, the food is not great. They're changing. Their bread are off the charts, your guys, we're talk to their non on a piece of cheese and for the Domino's gets there. What did you say a piece of cheese? It was phenomenal. You should hasten this cheat. I can't get over. It's still on my taste buds on my town. It's crazy. I'll go the cheese. Good cheese. I had a cheese platter on the train the other day. Whoa. We sat first class on our way to Boston. I I'm I've ever sat first class on on a cella train, hey, and they brought me over a cheese plate and I it was delightful. I spent probably you know there's nothing better than like making cheese last. I was taking little slivers off with this little butter knife. Oh yeah, not to be confused with my wedges. Real nice real thin slice and I was taking real thin slices and I was just like perfectly putting them on crackers. I asked this lady for crackers seven times. That's how many crackers ahead. I must have had thirty five crackers almost thirty five crackers on this guy doing trade, but I I gotta I gotta agree with you. Rakes eating cheese is delightful. That's the only word that you, it's it's so astute a stout is that the word I'm looking for? I don't think so. Shit. Pretty sure it's not. But anyway, Frankie. Let me say this. You're talking about the crackers. So we went to the grocery store last. This is a big time moved to when you're on a big trip. We exhausted last night. We did the Red Eye. We walk. We ran around the whole goddamn golf course to fill in that video. And then we just wanted to go to bed last night, but we force ourselves to go out, go to shopping mall, go to the grocery store, get a bunch of food for the for the Airbnb we went in there. We got a bunch of crackers. We've got a bunch of cheese, but we miss judge the cracker CI ratio cheese ratio. So we we already ate all the crackers. So I literally cheeses so good. I've just eating slices of cheese by itself, and then I'm washing doubt with sips of red wine, French Red wine, French cheese, just to give me that sets. All right. All right. I know. Domino's drivers kick in your door and deliver you to go have a bag get. You're sitting sitting there, eating Domino's. I get mad when people eat dominoes in New York. You should see how many people walk around here with bag at it's crazy. I mean back like you. I do think that that'd be stereotypical rights like, oh, what do you eat in a bag? But like apparently, that's, that's literally all they. No, I'm not kidding. They. They walk around that. You see people their home the bag like they just got back from the shopping malls and then you just see like half of the long bag piece of bread sticking out of the top of it. It's great. Shout out to. I mean, Dave, once David a full bag every single day for like five years from Pinera Canaria. That's why he got fat, Dave. I'll note no free ads right here. Sorry, what a lunatic. Okay. So now for the next part of the show, gentlemen, I believe we should talk about the Friday pairings, but we have to preface it by saying that when most people listen to this podcast, almost everybody that listen to this podcast. The pairings matchups are already going to be concluded right? Because they start at like two ten in the morning. And this podcast will be listened to between six AM and noon eastern time by most people. So you know, we can. We're going to talk about the ups. We're gonna talk. About the pairings and all that people have to understand that we, they need to know that we know that what we're saying is being consumed in the future the the results of what we are talking about are already known to that. Yup. Wow. That was good. You just talk to people in the future, some deep shit, some black mirror stuff, right. That's an awareness to the situation. You're that's an awareness to the situation because it's true, makes sense. I mean everything. They hear thirty, Evan. True. It's a weird thing. So I wanna go through these. The first matchup Tony Allen Brooks kept against Justin Rose and Jon Rahm I looked on the Vegas bookmakers and this is actually the only match up out of the four that the United States is the underdog. You know, I think that makes sense. Right. Justin Rose coming off. You know, FedEx win being the number one golfer. John Rams a psychopath. Justin Rose can wrangle him. I mean, if John Rome can just be like put in place and just play his golf and knock it not behead case, and you know, he feels comfortable. He's in, he's in a good situation. He's a deadly golfer, I think it could go one where, yeah, one way or the other. Jon Rahm in the Ryder Cup, he's either going to be awful, and he's going to be in his own head and frustrated and maybe break Justin Rose's neck or he's going to be dominant. And he's going to be one of the next like Ryder Cup other side. You got Tony FINA who finishes second in every single goddamn golf tournament. Then KEPCO who like one two majors, like, I mean, that's it actually, to me, shouldn't be what were the odds? Was it kind of close ranks. It was at believe. I saw plus one thirty for US like minus one ten for Europe, which I thought was crazy. I thought that was a crazy line. Brooks Kapka has won three majors in the last two years. Tony fee now has finished second in every golf in two thousand fourteen is it is true that out. It's like holy shit. These guys are much better actually. It's weird. It's very bizarre that they're underdogs. Now, having said that a lot of people in Vegas included in this is probably why Vegas wins a lot that they literally just go off of world rankings. And this I think is like our worst matchup world rankings wise because rose is like number two or three in the world. Now he dropped after last week and Rama's like number seven or eight. Camp goes like four or five and then fee, now's seventeen or eighteen or something like that. Yeah. So I think that Vegas does bite of a pretty strict world rankings thing is how those lines get set and clearly at works. 'cause Vega's always does well and whatnot. So it is kind of weird in that respect. It's bizarre to think that Brooks got going Tony feet. How I belonged earlier. I pulled up there driving distance stats, and I believe that Brooks kept us for the year is somewhere around either third or fourth on the entire PGA tour and driving distance average for the year and Tony female I think, is a, they're both over three hundred. You know, three hundred thirteen yards or something like that for the year is where they're at. So they both bomb the golf ball. I think you're gonna know how that team's going to do. I'm all morning, like an hour before they tee off on the driving range of their their drivers straight. It's. Over if they're hitting them a little bit sideways on this golf course golf Nationale, then you have absolutely no chance. If you miss fairways here, you have absolutely zero chance, right? They may actually come down to more precision as opposed to, you know, distance Ray, especially the golf course like that. So, but I'm locking in that bed. If it's one thirty. I'm going to sleep tonight feeling pretty good about making my money when I wake up in the morning because I'm going all in on Tony fee now, Brooks KEPCO plus one thirty against that match up in the morning four-ball. Yeah. I mean, I think numbers wise value Bank, right? Call value pick again. I don't wanna. I guess we haven't really touched on the golf course too much, but having seen if the rough is brutal, brutal, brutal, brutal, there's water all over the place. So if you miss a fair way, there's a lot of greens too. That are either carries where you have to carry your approach shot to the green or one side of the green is completely covered by water and a shaved off, or it's a little bit of a drop off and you just can't miss on that side. Otherwise, that's in the water. So. You know, in a lot of areas, it's if you miss the fairway and you're in this Ross, you legitimately can't even go for the green or expect to hit the green. So fairways are a premium that is very, very important. We talked about it on a couple of shows ago a week or two ago that the Europeans whenever it's in Europe. Whenever the rider comes in Europe, they set it up to favour European strengths in to hurt American strikes. That's natural. We do the reverse whenever a tear and our strengths are not necessarily out your scalp, the team, its distance. We bombed the golf ball, and we make pots. That's what we do. They are reversing it here. The euros are trying to say, hey, you have to hit fairways if you do not, then you're going to have to hit a layup. You're gonna chip out. You'd have to try to hit a wedge close and make par that way. Jordan speed himself said he thinks there's going to be a lot of pulp. Cars is what he thought, because the golf course is very difficult. There's going to be a lot of instances where guys you're gonna have fifteen or twenty footers for par to have the home maybe to win the whole at all that. So it is interesting to see that we lead with a group of bombers. I heard Brandel Chamblee and the boys on golf channel talking about how I think the first, whoever wins the first match of the Ryder come as one like thirteen of a last nineteen Ryder cups or something crazy like that. Now, granted Europe is one like that. Many of the last night of they've just been dominating us. I feel like, so I don't know how much legitimacy there is to that, but the Europeans lead with their best team in my opinion rose of wrong or as good as it gets. That's gonna be a tough team to beat next up. We got Dustin Johnson Rickie Fowler against Rory and Olsen. I love this matchup for us. Buying tickets can be complicated and confusing, but there is a simpler way to buy with seek seek is the smartest easiest. 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She took a bunch of pictures on Instagram with Jena SIMS who was Brooks kept because girlfriend. So things were looking like they were heading in the right direction. But then yesterday, if you see the pit group pictures of them, they look miserable. They look absolutely completely miserable. There's no everyone else in the picture is smiling and they're the only ones who are just dead straight looking at the camera. And then the pictures, of course, came out of Dustin taking pictures of Paulina, like trying to be the good boyfriend trying to get out of the doghouse. So it's and then there was another picture also where she really just look miserable. Maybe you caught her at the wrong moment or whatever, but it's not looking great for Dustin paulie and despite her being there and by his side and being at the opening ceremony, I don't think things are going as well as they appear to be. No. And that was one of the points that I said that she would be there is because she's got to get that into and God damn that she. That ends up because I mean, like she literally has like Dustin Johnson, who's in the second pairing up taking pictures of her like the palace verse. I like making sure like, you know, it looks all good with her boomerang hitting me right now. I picture of her that went up was her in front of the Eiffel tower. So it's like she's in. She take pictures. She is. She is flaunting on that insta- she has that insta- is on fire. I guarantee you the conversation between doesn't apply to happen where she was like, I hate you right now. You're the worst person ever. I don't want to be together, but I'm not missing photo opportunities something just not doing it. So that's that's sort of the vibe that we're getting that she's there. That doesn't, you know, instill a ton of confidence in in dozen Johnson, in my opinion. Her face. One hundred percents screams. I'm only here because the Ryder Cup is imperative hundred percent water face screens, like this was twenty six when it like this is twenty sixteen. She would be nowhere to be found correct. No chance, no chance of business in bump stock Minnesota Paulina gone out, see over six months or something like that. The fact that this thing is in Paris, she's there. It's screened that on her face, they looked like you said miserable. There was not a smile, incite dust and doing everything he can possibly do clinging clinging to some love from ballina by taking pictures bay. What do you want vertical. He what this, like, what he's like, clinging trying to get back into good graces. She's walking around like Queen Queen watch Queen. She's walking into the palace of fucking verse. I all that. So you know, we talked about it in the last show that we were debating like there's on one side, her jealousy and savannahs, and all that stuff. There's no way she shows up with dusting on the other side. She is literally an Instagram stone. I mean, she is a star resolve them first person at the US open at Shinnecock. We were mesmerized buyer. She's magnetic. She draws a crowd. She has a star. She knows she's a star. There's no way star like that misses an opportunity where your boyfriend who you have to children risk is in the second pairing of the Ryder Cup, and it's in Paris. You just don't miss that opportunity. She didn't. She's there. You can see it on her face. As like, I'm only here because this is in Paris, which I respect it kind of we said it wouldn't happen. We were wrong. Obviously, we were wrong, of course, in Karachi showed up to pairs. This is number one go from the world. We're talking about this is like this is the guy on the American squad, who has the highest rate is the highest ranking in the world. So to have the stuff going behind the scenes, I will say he can go one of two ways. He can be pissed and depressed, and he's going to play like shit or he can be like, I'm going to play super well. And maybe she will like me again, this is a weird match up to go into if you're going to bet it or if you're going to be rooting for one side of the other. Yup, deciding who's going to win. Right? Because Dustin Johnson's coming off of this just ridiculous public bullshit with his girlfriend. Right? And we all know we just said and Rory's coming off of just having one of the worst rounds of golf. I've ever seen a mind tire life against Tiger Woods. It's almost like he forgot how to play golf. So now you have these two guys that are going at it that you know, you really, I wouldn't be able to say who's going to do better than the other base off of what's been going on in. Their lives for the past week or so, and then recovers Olsen. I mean, for me, it'd be like a coin flip, so I really wouldn't be able to decide on who I want who I would think is going to win this match. What about you rigs? Do you have you know you have any input on who you think is the favourite in this. Yeah, it's a weird match up. So it's very clear to me that the that Thomas Bjorn in the euros came up with this strategy of look, we have, I think they have five rookies and the rookies are what everybody's talking about. We had notably gay on on the show on Tuesday and he and his been any thought, the Ryder Cup would come down to the European rookies if they could come out five hundred, he thinks you're up, can win. And so clearly Europe has a a rookie issue, a rookie situation and they decided to just face that head on, they put a rookie and every single there is a rookie in every single match up. Now Rory play with Olsen is crazy to me because they have on their bench, the healthy, scratches shutouts. You guys talking show. Brad, I should say, have Ian Poulter Henrik stents in Sergio Garcia, and Alex Noren are the five healthy scratches in the morning. That means that Olsen made his way into Roy's match-up beating out those other four guys. The only reason that he made his way in. Is clearly because Bjorn was like, look, we can only win if our rookies perform in the only way they're going to be able to form his, not if they sit on the bench and get nervous and get skittish and watch all this drama buildup and all that. The only way that we can win if our rookies get their feet wet jumped right in and get some wins. So that's he's, he's kind of taking this this this battle. Like, where do you wanna fight your battles? And instead of kind of giving Rory a Poulter or spent like some surgical reliable veteran to lead on, he's giving Rory's of rookie like almost in and saying, hey, man, like you either bring this guy up to a winning mentality and to victory or not. And that's where this Ryder Cup is going to be wondering law. So I kinda respect the shit out of the move by euro captain Thomas Bjorn by doing that, I think. It's risky, but I do think it's kind of the right move that like, hey, dude, you either throw your rookies end the fire or you don't. And that's kind of what he's done and and I like it. I don't. I, you know, I like it. I think it's a smart move. I think that it's shocking. I'm surprised that Roy's not playing with again, a Sergio extension a poll or somebody like that would be such a no brainer. However, I think Bjorn's kinda gone outside the box a little bit come up with a strategy and to be honest with you, I've American guy rooting for America. I think DJ Ricky are still going to win this match, but I respect the move by Thomas Bjorn. Yeah, they didn't. If I recall correctly, ROY was matched up with Thomas Peters in two thousand sixteen and that worked out pretty well. So Roy's obviously, he's he's pretty good at taking these young guys in maybe getting them accustomed to what a Ryder Cup is going to be like. That's a great point. I even think about that Thomas Peters had an unbelievable record of the last Ryder Cup, unfortunately, very sad for him. He didn't make it to this Ryder Cup, and then he made comments about how Europe only loss because like Phil was able to make forty foot putts. Or something crazy like that. And then he'd pitched and says that American pans, they lost because the American fans don't allow Drake, Thomas, maybe a little sent. He was being a little sad boy who's been a little baby a little bit. Yeah. You don't like to see something like that. Like he just didn't play good enough to make a fucking team. You got five rookies on there and they're all better than you. It'd be a real shame if Thomas Peters made the twenty twenty four team that had to play Bethpage Black and then people at Bethpage Black who are New Yorkers mostly who tend to remember things led him here that they remember that. He said it'd be a real shame, but you're right trend down him and Rory had a good record in twenty sixteen. He had a great rookie showing. So I think that's obviously really interesting match. The fact that we have DJ in Ricky when almost were thinking, we were going to have a DJ Brooks cap gun and then like Ricky JT type thing is very, very, very, very interesting which leads us into Justin Thomas Jordan speed against Paul. Casey and tarot Hatton which is, in my opinion, the biggest layup that we have go. This is this is a bloodbath the. Is the blood that I am to be a blood bath. If Paul, Casey, and how'd you say that I zero terra? You went real soft on that Terrell hat. So I think to be honestly, I think so Mickelson at one point this year literally asked him on the I. He how you say is first name, and so I don't know. I think it's like tyrel or. Your time. So I, I thought it was tear l. TRL this is the domination. I mean Justin, Thomas, all of that Justin, Thomas in Jordan Speth are going to absolutely. I mean, I actually feel bad for Paul. Casey in Hatton. I mean, these two guys are just playing. They just play well together, you know that they do speak in Thomas. You know, they're, they always. You're ever shoutout what the hell's a shoutout smiley Kaufman been in that crew. And you know, we haven't seen him in. I don't know why he just popped up in my head. We haven't seen the likes of smiley Kaufman a lot. We got on this list. We were just talking about Fowler Thomas and speed that probably what put it in your head. Well, God, damn. I mean, the last time we saw, then they were at someone's waiting was at his wedding. There was Miley Jesus. I mean, you know, God, I hope that guy's. Okay. Last time I saw him was that that that muffler shop in Augusta National when all his friends are all running. It. He was. He was playing for the green jacket the year before. That's was his big breakout. Yeah. And the next year he's at this muffler shop Midas shutout Midas. We're all playing cornhole which is. With my Kaufman and making winning winning the masters. Frankie goes, I hope that I hope he's okay. But yeah, I was on Thomas beef is a bus off cherry on the top of that. That one's lock. If I mean, I can't imagine what the the odds are on that one at. That's gotta be, you know, minus two hundred type shit. Speaking of speaking of Jordan spats. Did you guys see this DM that I send you this DM I got from this guy. No, no. So there's a guy in, whereas I can't see exactly where the location is. It cuts off his business card. What did I the French son? Like glaring off, you know, now it's night. Right. So is it like the stars and the moon? That's probably like closer in France and beautiful because everyone likes married there. Is it like is this starry night like shining on your phone? So you can't see the DM correctly. Is that what's going on. The only dot he's bringing you actually, I wasn't even thinking about it in that context. And now that you said that look to my right and you know, joke, I'm the, I'm not being mean you should see the sun right now or the moon. The moon is because it's nighttime here, the moon, the brightest mode, spectacular color I've ever seen on fire. I mean, they, they show that in the movies, right people going to France or sitting on their balconies. They're looking at the most romantic city in the world, and the moon just like comes. I think there's like an old old school movie where the guy thing I'm gonna go get that move for you. Any like persona money? No. Well, no, that's the shit. I'm talking like old school. Oh, yeah. Of all the gin joints in the world. Shit like that. It's a black and white movie in the moon brings it in whatever. That's what I'm thinking of you now say the DM I'm sorry to keep us off track. Okay, Frankie. So the DM is this guy sent me a DM and it's a, it's a picture of a business card, and it's all the guys DM says the real Jordan Speth and the guy's name on his business is Jordan s. p. a. e. t. eight. Is your trusted advisor wherever this town is. It says personalized service with the professional touch, your trusted advisor. Jordan spent. So that was that that one came up differently because sometimes when we say speak in the Spanish, we say real soft. And you said it the way it's like it's pronounced in the way the spell you said that so strongly, that was the funniest way I think I've ever heard Jordan Spain. That's just his name is Jordan spin. What are the best I've ever got a laugh out loud admitted straight and I can't reading it like, did he Photoshop this? And no just says Jordan spent, and it's just it's amazing. So anyway, Jordan span and Justin Thomas? Yeah. I mean, you know the the, the biggest thing that take away from this is that stat and Patrick Reed have been separated? I don't. I actually don't think that that's that crazy. If you really remember back to the last couple Ryder cups, especially in twenty sixteen spent wasn't even playing his greatest call read was just holding out. I mean, he was holding out in the middle of fairways shit read with carrying read, carried him a along way in that in that twenty sixteen one, right? I mean he was he was dominated he, he, he ended up beating Rory and probably the most famous. Ryder Cup match of the last generation of the last ten fifteen years with all the, the sure shes going on putting their fingers up to their mouths, read taken down, Rory, who is their number ward, of course, all of that. So on one end, it's a little bit crazy because everybody looks at this. This this read spent Parag has like kind of the new age, American Ryder Cup dominant team. But when you look at it on the other hand, spent really hasn't performed that much within that group. He hasn't been that important and Patrick green is going to do whatever the fuck. Patrick greed wants no matter what. So putting with tiger putting them with spat, putting him with whoever the fuck you wanna put them with. I don't think really matters that much. So I kinda liked the fact that Jimmy fear of just separating them and didn't really gonna fuck about it. Yeah. And it's you get now we get read and tiger, which is so fucking interesting. I love that they're the last group. It would. It would have been wild if they. Had like put them in the in the first match just to like get things started Tigers probably little old for that. He needs to be like, he's the warm up a little bit on the golf course, but having read and tiger together is like it's almost like Jimmy Feerick was like, I'm gonna give this, these fans the most bad ass matchup I can get just to know that we're not fucking around on this Ryder Cup. Sorry. I mean she's just crushing just crushing French cheese over there. It's unbelievable. Do you like pizza? Yes. Wanna find the best lies near you. Yes. Well, the one by that is the best way to find great pizza near you, regardless of location and help others find great pizza. Not even sure why I'm reading the copy for this because you say, give this copy out to all of our podcasts and like I'm just a part of this app, right? Like we built this thing for years feels like yes, and just going every single damn pizza place in the country. 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I think number one and number four, our toughest match people got to remember. Tommy Fleetwood won the the fricken French Open on this golf course golf gnashing out and Francesco Molinari played with Tiger Woods in the final group of the British Open championship at Carnoustie and won the damn. So those two guys against our two guys here Patrick creed and Tiger Woods or about the best possible thing that Europe could have imagined in making this pairing. We are still a favorite, aren't you? Guys are the favourite Tigers? Probably the hottest player on earth right now. Obviously just won the championship. I went back and I didn't really realize like how good has stretches been for the last eight tournaments because we're so focused on tiger winning that we kept coming up a little bit short and being sad and disappointed. However, I went through and looked at the stats. Tiger has five top six finishes in his last eight starts in one of those is a win. So tiger is literally the best player on the planet right now that's ever since the USO. So ever since the United States Open finished, he missed the cut of the US Open. I believe he started at eight tournaments since and he's finished top six and five of them. One of which he won another one, the PGA championship, which is a major. He finished second solo. So Tigers the hottest player on the planet right now. Patrick read, I think he's like six one and two and his Ryder Cup career. So he is obviously on flag, oh, when it comes to the Ryder Cup, and then like we already kind of introduce mall at Ari in Fleetwood. This is obviously going to be the finale match tomorrow or today whenever people listen to this and this is gonna be broadly the match that people catch the most of, right. Like if you're in the US so you guys are east coast time zone. You probably like, okay, maybe I'll get up at five or I'll get up at six and I'll catch the end of these matches. You'll probably catch the back night or something. So a lot of people are gonna see this match. And I think this is going to be the best match of before. Yeah, you bring up a good point with the Molinari Molinari's seeing tiger in, you know, a showdown setting where he's had to, you know, keep Tiger Woods like kind of just in his place as he's roaring up the golf course, and you know, running up the sand running up the leaderboard infinitesimal and Ari was just nails. I mean, that's all we talked about after the open was how he didn't give a fuck. Tiger Woods was just kept playing his game and he just like, I'm going to win because I shouldn't even be here. I'm an Italian waiter. That's all he cares about. I mean, did you see the picture the picture of them also, I saw, Yep. He looks like a little short man right shows and not that he's not a grown man. Yeah, I've made that mistake on this year pocket. I, I'm just waiting for you bury yourself, you. Well, I'm not gonna. You know, he looks as though he was the one that you know, Frankie's situation where you just say, Francesca Francesca molinar looked as though he let everyone out of a really long limousine and he just happened to slip into the picture like they were just like holy shit. The the limo guys still below the Italian, limo drivers in the picture. I mean, that's exactly look at the bigger look at the picture that I'm talking about. We have to pull it up here. I mean, hold on. Okay. So it just looks like he just snuck on picture what it's important to note that you are not making disparaging comments because you yourself are an Italian waiter. I'm literally in it. Parrella I've been in Italian waiter for since I was like, fifteen. I don't even think I was allowed to be a waiter when I was fifteen, but I still was Yup. I was running around bringing people. I was opening up doors for people. I was parking cars. I was a valet guy. I was delivery. Boy. I was a waiter. I was a bartender. I've been in the Italian business forever and Francesco Molinaro looks like my cousin. I can't find the picture, but that he's, I think that's why I always go back to this because Francesco molinar is like in my family, like I know who Francesco Molinari's I know exactly where he's been. I know where he will be. I know everything about them. I know his family and knows cousins. What is kids look like? And I don't even have to know what they look like, but I know what they look, but he just happens to be really good at golf. Yeah, Molenaar Borelli. We're family, you fam- cousins. But yeah, I saw that picture. I legitimately laughed out loud when I saw that picture. I mean, he's like on the, he's on a lower step than everyone. He has his hat off. He has a bad tan line on. He's just sitting there with that. Literally with that waiter with that waiter stance, his hands are in front and he's got his his chest way up high, like welcome to rallies and it's just go, holy shit. You come on a near like, that's that's my uncle. That's my cousin. That's Francesco. I love him. I love Francesco molinar fucking love. The guy. I gotta be honest with you. Francesco Molinari is a man of the people. He might be my favorite guy on the Ryder Cup, you man. He's just so unbelievable. He's like, he's funny and he's not even trying to be funny. He's awesome. He's just a good golfer the way I after he won the open his like the way he liked laughed and smiled. These just looked like, I think I'd I didn't like him after the open because tiger high chance to win. I think I was like, really just like down on Francesco Molinari. But as I've had time to just, you know, Tigers got his w under his belt and I've been able to just go back. And I've really like, I've, I've actually moved on from Patrick, read hate a little bit after he was wearing the red and. Yeah, you know. And I just didn't like him for around the black. Yes, I didn't like him for time. And now that once tiger just starts to become Tiger Woods, I'm able to like all the hate starting to go a little bit away from the from the stuff that was anti-tiger at the time molinar. It was definitely anti-tiger during the open, but now I'm just I, I'm all in on Francesco Molinari. I actually hate that he's playing. It's Tiger Woods because I would actually like to root for him. Yeah, I agree. I mean, he's I love everything about the man of the people. We really, he's not in any way. Could he be misconstrued as being like above the people? He's just a very normal gun that Francesca on. All right. So it's gonna be. It's gonna be a great match. Tiger does not have a great Ryder Cup record. Patrick Reid does. I like the fact that Tiger Woods instead of being placed with someone who. Tiger would be looked at as to carry on. Tiger has actually been placed with a guy who everyone's expecting to just go crazy. Everyone's expecting Patrick read the second that he's off the Ryder Cup to just turn into like he goes from Clark pet to superman, right? That's just what he does. He becomes captain America. The second of the Ryder Cup starts, I think that pairing Tiger Woods with that kind of guy, right out of the gate is an incredibly smart move. Get him some confidence because despite Tiger Woods is records as the greatest golfer that ever existed on planet earth. Despite the fact that he just one for the first time in five plus years, despite the fact that he's finished up six and five of his last eight tournaments, he does not have very right accomp- record. So you have to factor those things in clearly jumped your calves. He put them with Patrick Reed who is a savage in the Ryder Cup, so tiger doesn't have to lead on himself. Tiger doesn't have to worry about carrying anybody. Tiger Woods can go out there and play his game to his. Thing and know that Patrick read as well is gonna play his game and do his own fucking thing. And I think the Tiger Woods and Padma create are both built as guys that they don't rely and they don't lead on other guys. They do their own fucking things and putting the two of them in the same group together, I think will work really well love it. Totally agree. Totally agree with absolutely love it. So are healthy. Scratches that we have on the US it's fill, it's Bryson, it's web and it's and it's Bubba, to be honest with you. I love that. I think that's if you had asked me yesterday, which four guys would I leave out? It would be those port is. Yeah. I mean, -absolutely and seeing the pictures to of Phil doesn't fill just look a little bit older. It's going on. I look at Phil woman on there. Yeah, that's it. That's it has hairs way too long way too long when he walked out on the opening ceremony today, I was like, that's Phil, but it's also like someone who looked kind of looks like midlife crisis. Phil, I think it is he's, he might be completely fucked up over this. Tiger thing like he's definitely going was gone. I thought tiger with back surgery. I didn't think he was going to be able to get up in the morning, and then he comes out of the casket, like whatever that wrestlers name is I'm going to get. I'm going to get killed for not knowing what that wrestlers name is undertaker. And then it's just like, Phil, I think you've painted a God damn good picture, right? Phil Mickelson has been numbered two Tiger Woods his entire God damn life, right? This guy tag Phil Mickelson in his own right. Could have been one of the best golfers of all time, right? I mean, he still is one of the best golfers because you know five majors and all the whole thing. But without Dega woods Bill could have won a ton more majors. He could have been, the guy could have been tagged with. So you know, he goes his whole entire career with this guy, just dominating him day after day and Tiger Woods, and he's playing unbelievable himself, but he just losing and then tiger just disappears. He's gone no more Tiger Woods. He's just like he can't swing the health club anymore. Phil wins for the time being right Joe's just out there playing, he's walking down the golf course himself. He's smiling. Everybody loves emerge. He doesn't have huge scandal doesn't have a huge scandal until like the whole thing with the money. And you know really talks about that and then you know, life's going great fills like just feeling great. He's looking fit, right. Everyone was talking about how Phil just looks young. Everyone was saying fill, you're glowing. And then Tiger Woods comes up like the undertaker and he's just back in his life. He's, he's, he's, he's like betting him ten million dollars. Hey, Phil, I bet you ten million dollars. I can dominate you talking back coming all the way back tiger is like fills boogeyman. Like Phil thinks he can go to sleep and everything's gonna be fine. But then here here comes mucking tiger in his nightmares and in real life. It's, that's why Phil looks like he is like going through. His hair out. He's like, I don't know what to do. This guy swinging this guy's swing. One hundred and twenty two miles an hour. He's he's, he's driving the ball longer than everyone. What do I gotta do? I'm in these. I mean these commercials and everyone's looking at me laughing at me. I'm like, I'm trying to be cool. Got Bill, but I gotta get back. I gotta get back to my shit because this guy's winning golf tournaments. I'm plus fifteen. He's winning. This is insane. No joke, no joke. The best thing that ever happened. Tiger Woods might have been still winning earlier this year on the PGA four. Yes, because I can see tiger sitting there in his little tiger layer being like if that fat, fuck, win, and forty. Eight years old swear to on me with my new back. I'm fused I'm a machine. I fucking winning again for there's no chance I'm going out without winning when this fat fucking clown is out there. I guarantee tire thought about that. So it's really bill's fault. I Bill Bill buddy if you would've just one these, the British Open in twenty third. Eighteen you would have gone quietly into the night. Nobody would have noticed. You could have been like this Heroux kind of tapped in father figure on the Ryder Cup team forever. Task force. Do your task force thing. That's cute. That's great. When you decided to win again earlier this year woods rose up from the fucking grave likes attor like undertaker and just was like, buddy. If you're winning. Again, I'm winning again. And that's pretty much what up tiger legitimately got a new back because he didn't want to have a victory after him like he didn't want Bill to have that. He's, he doesn't want to have any sort of step up on tire because that's just not how tiger operates. They tiger only operates by just pushing down. He got three back surgeries, none of them were and then he's like just fucking fuse, all that stuff together. So I can get out of bed and win tournaments. So good man. Oh my God. It's a beautiful sight. Honestly, I love it. Okay. So people when you people are listening to this show, you are going to know the outcome of everything that we just thought about. We're conjecturing. We're planning, we're getting excited. The beauty of it is that even even though if we were wrong, if we were right, which we're probably right about everything that we said there were still four sessions of Ryder Cup stuff. We've got afternoon matches on Friday. We've got two sets of matches on Saturday, and then we've got singles all day Sunday. So there's endless Ryder Cup stuff. Talk about the parents. Are they gonna mix it up or are they gonna? Excuse me, mix it match. I was kinda birthed up there on French wine and cheese, and all that stuff. Are they gonna like church it up there. They're going to mix up the cobbler's we're gonna. See, are we gonna see a speed read combo, or we're gonna see tiger get into it with Bryson? Are we gonna see our Philip pricing. Play Friday afternoon. All the shit remains to be seen. Gentlemen. Let me ask you this. How are you treating it in the states? Because here you know, we're, we're just gonna be up at like six in the morning. We're gonna go to the course that t- off at eight, I'm gonna see everything. It's going to be great back in the states. You got a weird time zone to deal with. What do you guys? What's your plan? I was actually going. That was the next thing I was going to bring up. I was gonna ask Frankie what your plan is because I still don't have one. I don't have one either, especially Sox's were so busy here at work that I have such a busy Thursday and Friday. I don't know if I can physically do it. You have to be able to wake up to him. I just don't know. I may be able to wake up because I'm going to be here until like. Friday's or impossibly busy for me. Right. I'm here until like two AM editing this college football show. So I don't know if I'll be able to physically do it. So I'm planning on like, you know, waking up. I'm gonna set alarm for like three AM. I'm going to like keep one eye open. I'm going to try and stay up. I'm gonna watch golfer like two hours trying another, like go back to sleep for two hours and then wake up in the sex scroll my phone and see what else happened. I'm going to try. I think I'm gonna end up getting hooked and I'm just going to stay up. Yes, kinda suck, but it's also going to be awesome. Especially if we see tiger just lighting it up in that fourth in that fourth pairing, but I think that's my plan. It's just gonna be like wake up, see if you can stay awake. If not just keep. I'm going to keep the lights off. I'll tell you that you're not gonna make it easy for me to stay and think I'm going to my plan maybe as I'm going to try to lay down at like nine o'clock tonight. See, I can't do that. Right, right. So much shit. That's the thing like tonight reading, so I can't do that so it it's tough out here rigs, it's it's a battle. It's literally it's a grind. It's fucking crazy in that. Like everything's just over by one o'clock like, yeah, everything like, you know, what's amazing. Though what that's Sunday. Yeah, right. That's Sunday. You wake up at like six AM. I think it's a later, right? It's an leader. You wake up at six AM and you just watch the golf all the way up until football. Right. And then you just watch all day long. Football? Sunday is perfect. It's the Thurs. It's the Fridays where it's starts at two AM. That's brutal. So that's that's kind of what we're juggling here. Obviously you can just like you're living, you're saying way over to the golf course at the more like like their team of eight fifty. And you can just like go there and just watch it. No joke. I'm going to assume that hang over this podcast. I'm going to eat my entire Domino's pizza. Finished his bottle of wine go to bed. I'm going to wake up at like six AM. We're going to drive the golf course, and then we're just gonna go watch golf, the entire. And so that's pretty much my plan tomorrow I fully understand where you guys are coming from. I've been there on the US side. I get it. I will say that the Sunday move that Frankie was describing is perfect because you can drink while you watch Saturday golf, while you watch football, you get the better the decent our because you've been drinking all day, right? You trick yourself into like a drunken stupor, pass out at like eight or nine PM you wake up at five or six, seven. And then boom, Sunday singles are on all day until one, two o'clock, whatever it is. And then one Sunday singles are done. You've got the conclusion of the first round of football games, and then you've got the afternoon rounds, and then you've got Sunday night football. Next thing you know you've had like. The best Sunday of all time. So I do think it's awesome the United States, but I have a better because I'm just here and I'm gonna be literally when you guys are watching tomorrow when you're watching the highlights and all that stuff. I'm going to be standing on the first team within like forty feet of Tiger Woods. Watching empty off in the first year, man isn't grantable. I can't imagine what that I see is going to be like when tiger tiger shows up. I can't imagine. I cannot imagine what that fucking huge stadium. Seating. I e area what they do. The release rates, we might a loss Riggs. I think it'd be a time to just end this thing. Okay, rigs, you're not there. I guess this is just of wa. I say goodbye in French, Bonjour, Hilla on shows. I say Hello, but I think of Ozzy the thank you goodbye. So that's where we're gonna. I think both applies here. Okay. Ova ov- wa. I love those York shit big. Well, you know what? He's back from the dead. Yeah, we so you your phone cut out and Frankie and I just said, all right, that's it. Ov- wa. And then we kind of now you're back, it's just us there you John, that may that may be just some of that little French, you know, magic. Something's going on out there. There's just there's something something's afoot in France with you. I, I just I just saw a new picture from Logan of you'd podcasting right now with us. I guess this is just the way you look right now as we speak to you and there's just like this glow off the camera on. Sorry off the laptop. That's like, you're, you're, you're, you look like an angel. You're like your glow. Owing. Boy, I'll be the first to say, Beaujoire grades to see you again his bones, your both. Hello and goodbye. No, goodbye is over what I was bright, who are right, Chris, I thought it was both an idiot now. I also I saw a line that ov- y also could mean like until we meet again, which sounded a little aggressive. I actually liked that I would. I think I'm gonna start. I think. That's I think that's going to be my like closing statements from now on you're getting on the elevator at bar Soviet again, ova. No, I'm going to say the English term. That's that's way too until we meet. Again, I think you're right. I think the English version of a watt just saying to people like until we meet again would be awesome. I'm gonna say at the day of the next time I see you because you can get off on. He's gonna get off the elevator as you get on the elevator. I'm gonna turn around from my seat. It's going to be closing. I'm going to be like until we meet again. I think he may ask if I know him Craig, I think he may stop the elevator from closing and just what the fuck did you just say, no matter what? I'm sorry. I don't know something just blurted out. I'm just being stupid. I'm just digging hall seal later. BI French rigs like trick on. I don't know. Yeah. All right. So the next time that you talked to me, we'll be when I'm back in the United States of America, do you have the any last words that you would like to say to me before the Ryder Cup starts? I wish you the best of luck. I hope that you have the swiftness and the luck that I had an Augusta National everywhere you are the the, the stuff is happening. I, I like to wish that upon people that are going to tournaments because I think I had the best experience of all time and I want you to have the same. That's just a little dig. I'm getting that you because I know that you're out of place that I wanna be right now. If you didn't pick up on that and number two sled us note, I want you to take mental pictures as well as regular pictures of Tiger Woods. I, I wanna know. Yeah, that was what I was like, what it's like to be around Tiger Woods in this setting right now with him being back in him just like the owner of Tiger Woods. I just want you to like bottle that up and bring it back here. And if you can just like like, like meet him and tell him, I said, hi, yeah. That I agree with you? Yeah, definitely try to sneak in some sort of picture with him. I don't care what line you have to cross. I don't care what sort of trouble you have to get in. Just somehow get to him and be like rigs Franken, Trenton, they, we all love you. Okay. I very much appreciate you guys words of kindness. So I'm gonna respond saying this first of all, I heard from every PGA of America official, but I could talk to every Ryder Cup Europe official that I could talk to that the players are exclusively off limits this week. You'll never get any time with them. All that. I will say, I'm not making any promises, but I have a hunch. I have a feeling that this week I will produce a photograph with soccer woods. I think that's going to happen. I think that's going to cause this. I don't know in what context. I don't know. It's going to be always in passing during, you know, going from from the eighteenth green to the locker. Maybe it's in the party scene Sunday night. When we win the Ryder Cup, I have no clue. Maybe it's on the practice screen, the pack, this range. I don't know. It might not happen, but I've hunch that I'm going to have a photograph my first ever. Meaning when Tiger Woods this week, I just have a hunch. The second thing I'm gonna have, so I have a little something. It's not called a hundred will will will Boehner a little bump. Maybe. Your cited. Just the fact that you are going into this week knowing that you may like meet Tiger Woods in any capacity like just not looking through without thousands of people just like being up against them. I know that you had that little run in with him at Bellary. Right. When you like almost like you guys did a little fucking back and forth and you always made them trip in like, I mean, that was different. That was like I was just a, I was a pilot. This is this would be huge and I am. I can't wait to see that notification pop up. It's like Briggs. I'm here me and my best friend just at the Ryder cope. Tiger Woods. Yeah, I look, I, you know, I again, I don't know if I, it's, it's I would say it's probably unlikely. However, I have a hunch on the feeling. I have a belief that's going to happen. I'm prepared for it. I'm going to say you guys know, I've talked to you about this many times. I am of the belief that Tiger Woods is to certain degree a story. I think Tiger Woods knows Marshall. I think our type of humor is right up his alley from everything that I've heard about him from everything that we do all that, you know you guys know, but I'm of the belief that Tiger Woods knows that what he knows what we do is where all of that so factor everything in. I think there's a chance be tiger this week. We're guardless. I'm not here to meet tiger. I'm here to bring home and w I'm here to get a win. For the United States of America feel great about it. We start tomorrow morning when people listen to this, it's going to our everybody mostly happened the first round the first session, all of that huge week, Ryder Cup week cards. The biggest week in golf. I'm jacked up gems. Do you have any final thoughts. No, I think, oh, best of luck in go USA. Yeah, isn't saying bring back a, bring back a win. That'd be great. I think that's it. Got go USA, hit it hardware and at heart. No. Known data prayed. Most people would have given up by now all the rub apps, these ups and downs, somehow Jews, keen Bom play through. So you bull. At the winner's circle suit. I'll be there with a half smile. For you. Me. Tell me how to live my. These lawyers stream spending money like my ex wives. Sure. I gamble and drink smoke three packs a day. HALE country music supposed to be this way. His from the hard man. I hit it hard man. Agreed. Through. I, I. Wrong. Peeve in hardman. You.

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Zack Ryder - Notsam Wrestling 253

Notsam Wrestling

1:39:59 hr | 1 year ago

Zack Ryder - Notsam Wrestling 253

"This week i'm not saying wrestling. We've got the michael jordan of wrestling figure collecting for me. United states champion intercontinental champion tag team champions zack ryder is on the show plus. We're going to preview all out. We're going to talk about the big live not sam wrestling show coming to caroline's arm broadway times square new york city sunday september eighth seven p._m. Tickets at caroline's dot com. This is not sam wrestling. It is introducing your host from new york. Here is sam worse here. He is but start the damn thing welcome to not sam wrestling. It's going to be a fun one. It's always is a fun one. Tell you it's going to be about one and it always is welcome to the show everybody so. I was looking over all your feedback from last week. When i talked about <hes> what i was thinking when you know quite honestly professional wrestling kicks it into high gear this fall with no end in sight. I mean a._w._s. Abused putting tickets on sale for tv taping after tv taping ads for every wednesday on u._s._a. Or littered all over ron smackdown. This is for real. This is really really happening. I can't wait for it. I can't wait <hes> and i think we are going to go with the plan so starting starting probably the first week of october. I think we're gonna have a two podcasts a week. We're going to have the standard podcast. I would probably an abridged version of the state of wrestling where it will cover smackdown and pay per views and do an interview every monday on not sam wrestling then every thursday. We're gonna do a not sam wrestling update and that's going to be a <hes> just topical stuff. It's going to cover raw. It's going to cover a w. It's gonna cover annex t anything else that happens in the meantime meantime in between time but i feel like so much is going to be happening with wrestling wants. The fall begins that one podcast a week if we really want to get into it is not going to be enough enough so that's the plan. Set your calendar starting october. We got a month left of the podcasting the way we've been doing it every thursday a morning first thing when you wake up and my goal is so you're going to be sitting there okay well monday. The podcast is gonna come out. My goal is and and this is gonna be tough if i'm on the road w._w._e. For some of it but i'll still me i'm figured out the goal is gonna be immediately after the paper used who's to record those state of wrestling segments so i can get the podcast up the night. I can get the podcast done so that first thing monday morning. Those podcasts are up and the same thing thursday will be an afternoon release thursday will happen because wednesday night will go down <hes> i will go to work. I will come home. The thursday podcast will be an afternoon release. It will go up when it goes up on thursday usually early afternoon monday. I'll all still plan on doing it first thing monday morning and everything that i do whether it's on sunday night whether it's the thursday podcast when the thursday podcast gets recorded our court here in the nazi a._m. Studio barring any reason for it not to be recorded here in the not sam studio and one that is recorded. I will do it live on patriots. You will be able to watch the video live stream it contribute interact. Whatever you wanna do everything that we record for the podcast besides the interviews. We'll be done live on video so if you're on patriot patriot dot com slash not sam wrestling. If you're not sam shell you you can watch everything that we do live and then you can watch the video of all of it <hes> after it gets done as well exclusively at a patriot dot com slash not same wrestling so that is the plan going forward in the fall and i guess the last grand hurrah before we really start to move towards the fall. We'll be the big live show that we have coming up so much. Birthday is september sixth september eighth. I have never done a live show oh to celebrate my birthday before and you know things lined up so this occurred on my birthday weekend but i figured why not why not if it's going to be my birthday why not celebrate with as many of you guys as i can get to show up to a new york city comedy club why not get as many not sam wrestling people into caroline's on broadway as we can and just have a celebration right. It's gonna be a live show and i'm not saying it's going to be a celebration to kind downplay. What your expectations our expectations should be high. I've been working really hard. You know i've been off of my sirius x._m. Show for this week. Jim and i have been on vacation but i haven't been travelling. I'm not on vacation so in the meantime <hes> make creating a ton of content <hes> for the not sam youtube. I'm channel. I'm doing wrestling podcast. Of course i'm getting video content down. That's gonna be first available on patriot and then on the not same youtube channel and and i'm putting together what i need to put together for the big live show at caroline's on broadway and i tell you i always have <hes> a bit of a feeling of dread when the process begins because really when the process begins i have an empty sheet of paper in front of me and a commitment to caroline's lines to put on a show and commitment to you guys that i'm going to put on a show worth paying whatever it is twenty bucks. I think it's not expensive twenty bucks worth paying twenty bucks to to go see and i go okay. I gotta figure something out here and we figured some stuff out here. I mean this show the last time we did a live show that was officially in not same same wrestling show. We did one show in february at caroline's but it was the not sam wrestling major wrestling figure podcast dual show. That wasn't an official not sam wrestling live show really it was more of a major wrestling figure podcasts live show. I think the last official not sam wrestling live show was way back in january wary in phoenix we tony hinchcliffe we had renee young we had corey graves and we have pat mcafee and we had a blast. You guys packed <unk> out the venue in phoenix. We were watching some clips from the royal rumbles <hes> of past goofing around making jokes the last time we did an official no not sam wrestling show at caroline's. It was over a year ago. It was to celebrate the two hundred episode of this podcast and the lineup for that one. If memory serves was bruce prichard dalton castle corey graves pat mcafee. Was there for that one too <hes> <hes> and i think that was it. I'm not sure if anybody else was there for that one but this one in everything pans out might be one of my favorite lineups ever and that's that's. That's a big hurdle to get over. You know i'm trying to get as much representation tation as i can get. I'm talking <hes> trying to get to the main roster representation. I'm trying to get some w._w._e. Hall of fame representation getting representation from the announced. I you know i'm trying to get not as much a representation as i can on that stage so we can entertain the bejesus out of all of view so if i could recommend you do anything it's the come celebrate my birthday look at this point of my life. If i'm gonna throw myself a birthday party. I'm going to try to make sure it's not lame. Okay like there'd be nothing more depressing than sitting there and realizing his party sucks. I'm an adult galt. What have i done with my life so the pressures on and guess who ain't gonna crack yours truly the last professional broadcaster. Get your tickets now. I'm trying to keep as much as surprised as possible. I think it's gonna make for a much more special shell. If i keep as much a surprise as possible and quite honestly i want those those people who decided not to go to this show to just be looking at twitter instagram and just feel foam just in in the pit of their belly. Just get that foam. Oh feeling so it's going down. It's happening sunday september eighth a week from sunday. Seven pm caroline's on broadway in times square. It's the night before monday night. Raw returns to madison square garden. <hes> and it's gonna be a barn burner. Okay get tickets now. Carolina's dot com you can also go to my social media. You can go to not sam dot com. They've all got links to get tickets to the big live not sam wrestling show at caroline's on broadway way speaking of that we got news as it pertains to rock coming back to madison square garden. We will absolutely talk about that in the state of wrestling segment. We're we're gonna talk about a w. We're gonna talk about the fact that look. We got too big. <hes> wrestling shows that are happening this weekend both on saturday and i'm thinking that may i mean that over on the patriot page we need to do we might need to do to bona shows on saturday. We might need to do a one showed that is a post annex t u k slash pre k. w. show and then we may need to do a second post a. w. show on saturday. <hes> <hes> you guys aren't patriot already know what i'm talking about and you know how we do. It will go live on video <hes> for you guys that are in darling above. I believe and then audio will come out for everybody. That's any tier on the patriot page less than a dollar a week to become a member patriot dot com slash not sam wrestling so we'll get into all all that state of wrestling is going to be a big one but we got a big interview this week speaking of the major wrestling figure podcast. We've had curt hawkins on the show before he's he's actually been in the not sam studio before which is why you know way back in the day when he was making cracks about my collection he knew it wasn't true but we've mended ended fences since then myself the major wrestling figure podcast as far as wrestling figure collecting goes. We've mended fences. Were all friends again. Dan and i've been i've been sharing with. You is some of the interviews that i did. When i was in toronto for summer slam. This is the last of the set <hes> hopefully collected them. All if you didn't go back and download 'em but zack ryder is the guest this week in is media days. Zack ryder decided to sit down and you know most of these shows most wanted immediate day. We're doing like five minute interviews not only because because there were tons of superstars there so they wanted to get as many interviews as they could but because it was the right thing to do they wanted to be able to share these superstars with fellow turn lists that were there covering this event me zag rider comes in pulled off a couple of chairs set. A camera on a tripod pulled out my recorded with one microphone. I decided to go one mike on this one after the criticism. Maybe i'll go to mike's on the next one and we just talked and the point was in my mind was to talk about wrestling and i'll tell you right now. Most of this is geek stuff and action figure talk. It is but we get into personal drama. We get into wrestling stuff for sure and it's a great conversation between myself and long island is e zack ryder the michael jordan of wrestling figure collecting <hes> you guys know wrestling figure collector by now i just got ultimate in addition series to shinsegei nakimora bret the hitman hart in the mail <hes> they're amazing. I'm unopposed on my social media but these ultimate editions that mattel putting out are just next level. <hes> i think zack ryder is also very happy with them. We don't talk about ultimate edition but we talk about a whole lot ladies and gentlemen my guest this week from from the major wrestling figure podcast is the man himself long island is e zack ryder then not sam wrestling interview. Hey guys let me just take a second to tell you all about a new service that i found recently. We've talked about it on the podcast before i'm talking about monday dot com now monday. Dot com is a team management government tool that improves your office workflow. Let me tell you all about it. You can track projects you stay productive you go through everything no more emails and spreadsheets and ram him files and whiteboards and all that stuff monday dot com is going to organize all of it and track everything in one place if you're trying to get organized and you're trying to run a business properly monday. Dot com is the tool that you're missing. It's intuitive so it takes almost no time to set up. It's flexible which means that it can do basically anything that you need it to do. Think about how much time you waste searching through old emails trying to find information oh. He said this at some point but where was it. Where was that attached. File no more of it. It's a nightmare monday. Dot com organizes everything in one place so you're not wasting time searching and searching searching it creates accountability. You're not going to need to email people and say hey. Where's this thing i asked for. Hey what's your progress like on this. No no no no no would monday dot com. It's going to show you the project. You're going to be able to track the progress yourself. It streamlines everything. The platform is suitable for any size team mm-hmm whether it's me and hot dog or whether it's thousands of people collaborating across the globe monday dot com keeps you in line at so effective the your meetings things are gonna be finished. No more long boring meetings trying to figure out who's doing what new tactics for staying organized doesn't matter you know why because monday dot com is already already doing all of it for you. That's why i'm recommending it monday dot com and if you go to monday dot com slash not sam. They're going to give you a free free fourteen day trial just because you listen to this show no commitment. You could check out monday dot com. You can see for yourself how helpful their software is once again. It's monday dot com. Slash not sam for a free fourteen day trial and make sure that you use that exact u._r._l. Because if you're using my u._r._l. There's going to be additional national savings. If you choose to sign up monday dot com slash not sam. You'll be so much better off for it. Let's get back to the show for the first time on the podcasts hot cast except for the live podcasts ladies and gentlemen long island icees zack ryder's here to rose one bike. Mike sarah's one mike yeah one night. What do you need more than what mike for. I like to maintain control. I had the same <hes> zoo podcast recruiters you they'd even use at least two mikes. There's there's four mike inputs and i'm like we're using one mine interviewed the brothers. We made them share one. My so's those two cities one mike. If you have that recorder you could put three. Mike's right but you didn't want to one hawks at one okay. Can i could have but you don't watch it but there are lucky enough to be able to show that you like insulting than the whole podcast and you're like you guys want to do the show and they yeah sure they love it. Sing brothers have the best social media in w._w._e. History why is that do you follow up. I think so yeah but i don't know if i i mean i want. It's you to go back through time light. It just scroll. Is it twitter instagram either or it's the most ridiculous any event that's going on. They could somehow related to their childhood. Oh my god twenty years ago. My dad turned on the television. Bret hart was on and now twenty years later. I'm in caterer at brit. Heart isn't the sabe rumors me catering whatever it is. They'll go somehow turn into this story. I love it have you. Are you surprised it has except for the podcasts feel like you're not you knew it was going to happen court of course of course i mean i kind of feel like aac in a year where you and hawkins finally got back to the top of the mountain. You won the tag titles at wrestlemainia in your hometown and i feel like wrestling still your secondary career and your podcasters who happened to wrestle on on your off days. I mean i love the podcast is great. It's a great creative outlet. I love wrestling. I love wrestling figures and like you said this has been a great year for us with the podcast. We had some beef. We've <hes> squashed. Hair looks beautiful. Your beer looks great by the way it looks really good but yeah it's it's been a hell of a year almost one year of doing the podcast. I'm proud of it. I'm proud we do some live shows <hes> proud. We have merchandise dies. We have our own attributes coming out. <hes> i mean it'd be great if we had like mattel elite figures coming out but we know that's not happening so make your own bigger. Oh yeah ah we've got screwed. Avocado san diego screw job over there really was i. I'm like okay i didn't it didn't even occur to me that they didn't introduce new hawkins and ryder because i figure at some point. They're going to have to put them out. I'm sure but then i was like why would they ask those guys. Who are the biggest figure fans in the world. Who who have brought like the figure community brought the figure kind of back alley world into the mainstream. They ask you you to host it clearly thinking right that it's like when a girl goes. You should ask my friend out and you go. Oh yeah okay. I'll ask her out and she goes. You know go out with you know we talked about this briefly on our podcast the major wrestling figure you never get the name right the major wrestling figure i get it right now. I didn't get it right when we were beautiful like like last year hawkins and i we couldn't have been to bigger roads right new retro right all right p. retro by the way there on long island icy there on a hiatus hiatus right yeah. We've heard that before so this year we're like i'll get the bod cast. We got figure it out. We're the elite squad we're back. I mean that's not the retro. Thing is so true because you weren't doing anything. It was your gear anyway when you i mean they're just like there's only a few guys that are getting rhetoric. You're one of them could believe i'm not gonna. I didn't deserve but of course water. It's incredible it so basically they're gonna give us battle bags. There is a move steadily leads so we're the host so we have the script which by the way it was a pretty long script memorize our pros we handled it but but in the script he says figure reveals you know zach and kurt react. We don't know what the reveals are. We just know like okay. You're the reveals to every time the thrown to the reveals here we go. Here's keithly here's house bharti against those guys. I'm like where's august but bill mckean is bias started shining through is what you're saying. He got h. A. r. d. just watching exceed designing these figures yeah but be on the pot. It's like it's like dating this girl for a long time right and things are going great or you think they're going great you know and it's time and she's sending you signal at your signal right deanne after and pictures everything right and you're like okay. This is it. I'm gonna tell her. I love right and you get discouraged. Courage you you you you dig deep down and get it and say baby. You know i love you and she just looks. It doesn't say anything back. That's how i felt onstage. I stage with no reveals. When did you realize the reveal wasn't coming because you got to be sitting on the end of the scripted said okay guys the the panels over said what what because you're probably sitting there going. I mean i guess they could be saving it for the very end just to get our reactions right like goodbye and you're just like flipping through his there and one more thing and are you waiting for like one of the guys hey before you guys go see like got. Steve has some things like in the kofi in the becky concur that i mean we're not gonna complain. I'm not complaining about it was it was it was disappointing but it's it's. It's so funny that i know that you guys you. Both get elites hawkins gets the chase you get the red white and blue jacket and the sunglasses kabakov how mcadoo got that right. You've had those moments and it still like they find a way to still make it hurt don't they. It's never gonna be enough. I mean i love mattel. I love those figures that we've had thought this year for sure. We'd get this was the year to her. You heard it hurt. It hurt it hurt. I'm not mad. I'm i'm not angry. I'm disappointed. What were you more but this is what i'm saying. I think when you found out when you lost the tag titles it was like oh okay okay yeah. This is way more disappointed. What hundred no question this was more disappointing than losing the title. You lost it after a day. I'm i'm very proud of that. Yeah i just explained so i would rather have the title for one day that have it for five and a half months. Why is that because then the moment just lives at the moment. It's it's a zach writer to finally win the title and lose the next day. That's my career yeah. That's your legacy. That's my story. That's why have it for a month right and lose it at backlash or whatever you don't like the next day right but integrate yeah you've got to i guess technically if you count the eve torres kick three wrestlemainia moments okay right like we did run in the main event. That's four wrestlemania twenty ninety four. I've been in like every battle royal. There's ever bid those kind of moments. I'll give you joining four to three threw me out about a royal resume thirty and it wasn't even on t._v. T._v. wasn't even it wasn't even filmed. There's so many bodies in the ring that doesn't that w does not even know wasn't filmed right. It just happened to the bag up. It was one of those we're like. We're down to twenty like this. I don't know i don't know i guess i mean you you if you can find away to have all those wrestlemainia moments. What difference does it make. If you lose the titles later like when you go and make the best of real. It looks like a million bucks million bucks right the million dollar brosky. They called me <hes> yeah. I mean look. I've had the tag team titles twice ic- title u._s. adult internet title title. You made that up. That doesn't count of winning it. You know you just bought it. Pat patterson made up the little one either we look at look at the legacy of it now that's true and they did mattel even made an internet g._o._p. A chance at the video game so it's i guess legit yeah. It's pretty legit yeah. I hanging up in my office with other titles the major recipe podcast. I had another one that you you made that one that would i made up right and you could goodbye that through your toys coming through the ringside collectibles dot com right right with the podcast play said to you could buy right. There's also a tables and chairs place now. Do you in hawkins. Actually actually i saw the podcast play-set. Do you do your podcast and commentators table. We do it with monitors courtyard marriott headsets and monitors and no headsets. I did have a headset within my cat chewed on the cord and i'm too cheap to buy another <hes> headset to find him. I was that you just had to find find mike like is the mike had said oh. I just use regular mike but i think the commentators play-set it kind of works as a podcast play say it's good enough right. You're i know you're not go to buy what you're going to talk about email delivery. I know yeah michigan go and do figure review of. It'd be like roberts over there. Otherwise authorized of your own figures like just didn't just make them yeah i mean i guess i could not a huge fan base. You'd follow no that's true and i mean it's all about limited. We did run. I yeah that's right. That would be sold out. That's what we do. Who cares why why have stock you know stock stock sellout outsell out reminding the next year. It's all about selling and wwl sold out. I get it out just sold out. You're not who's been your your hobby. Everything we've done it sold out except for the summer of stop package believe it or not our repairs did not necessarily what stop in paradise beach balls. I'll tell you when i saw can keep up where you guys are doing. When i saw the towels as i okay the cows are cool how will sold out legit. You only made like fifty of them right right right now. He's like okay. There's a super limited. They look cool logos cool. I got one for free by the way when i when i saw the beach ball package is like seriously if people by the summer don west beach ball package like i'm like this is oriental trading stuff. You know what i mean thought for sure. This was going to sell out in seconds so much so that i paid don west. My hard earned money to film a commercial like who cares how much it cost like swimming in the door this thing making bagley mini super soaker. We're gonna south website. I thought zombie ambi- seller dot com glitched because because vibe in his later there was still so many left that traffic was so massive for this drop but it just turns out that people didn't really what the beach ball we had a beach ball a water god a cousy uzi a beach pass autograph hawkins and ryder ryder. There's something else that a sunglasses. They didn't want it they just i couldn't believe it are scratchers sold out dog tags sold out shocking. I sold out summer. Stop package didn't quite sell out but if you came to our live show we gave the rest away so technically they're gone. There's no stock. This stock did sell include the ticket price kind of free gift. You know they're sold out yeah. No i think it counts. I got you know you made your money back and enough merch you on anything. Why don't you partner was ambi- for ins. I guess so with the beard you're limited run limited. Gotta sign the car back. You know it's all about the signature going to make a nice card back right. So why don't you do it. I'll do it hundred. Here's a limited one hundred twenty five and then to give give their way like your friends family. Giveaways got some social media influencers yeah yeah <hes> jurassic park. Mattel people said i can't get the drastic mark figures. I can't be an influence why not politics. They told me no so because you're on the wrestling side of mattel. You can't be the drastic park guy. I went over to the park section of college. I was like wow these are great. You know how come up 'cause. They put the doctor figure out right the what's his name the the old guy john hayman. I think he's a doctor. He started support for god's sake mosquito a tree anyway so i said oh i would love up to get sent some of these. How come i can't be how do i go about being like an influence for these and <hes> they said all you can say oh. Why not all politics. I they'd what's up with two million dollars posted. A picture of the dinosaurs apparently now did you try to follow up on like when they politicians okay. You said you know what screw it is went. <hes> ebay and i bought a dinosaur. I wanted for forty bucks so funny. Toy politics you understand isn't it. Matala doesn't yes. It's the same company eddie. I couldn't believe it. I mean you know to be fair. I think that there is something going on because for whatever reason every time i buy stuff i add neka italic talamo buying it. They never replied anything. I post. I love necker. I love next to all the horror figures. I have all the exclusives from shout factory. I have all all the ultimate you have. The ninja turtles movie figures. That's what i'm talking about the movie initiative and get the horror movie fatal heart movers. I'm not a horror guy. Now you like cartoons yeah. Yeah that's true. I was gonna say myself again. Last year. Comical neka made the v._h._s. of the turtle and i'm on the back instead of having like a movie reviewers. Toy reviewers like these figures are sick zachariah. Did you keep it does that when you kept in the box no no but i <hes> i kept neck appreciates me mattel not so much not w._w._e. Or the jurassic park section oh oh boy it's not good no makita sweating so hard right alison liking this not liking it so what did you. When did you kind of stop. Stop liking stuff like i feel like you developed your hobbies. I'm the same way you developed. Your hobbies is a kid and you were like no. This is the stuff i like turtles ghostbusters wrestling and then maybe getting a high school. You're like boy bands and you're like this is just for life. What would that stop liking edging rings or have you developed new hobbies and fascinations okay. Would that's it. I mean it's a complete fleet throwbacks stranger but that's because it's a it's a reference like this last season of stranger things. Every episode had like nineteen references to something for when we were kids. Every episode has done well. That's why i love the show. I think the sasha is in. I think it's i think it's never been like it is now yeah and like you can go into target forget and by ninja turtles figures from one thousand nine hundred ninety nine hundred like style figures at target our t. shirts or whatever so i love that to buy things from my childhood things that were actually produce produce during my childhood now things that are like you know like reimagining thanks so much out there like the cooler versions of nineteen ninety movie turtle figures they take technology. They have now and just remake the old figures. But when did you decide like okay. I have my stuff. This is where i'm going. I don't think i necessarily decided i just there's nothing really that's come out recently. You're not like power rangers guy to overpower rangers. Nothing against it right like my little brother likes his. I wash it but it wasn't really one of those things right strange things. I'm into that right but i see what you're saying so there's like ghostbusters turtles star wars but not another new star wars right so like it is new stuff. It's just yeah i get it. I get it <hes>. Do you like the new star wars movies i do. I'm just listen people saying like like it should be removed from canada like last jeopardize with that means removed from canon removed from canon no. I don't know what that means. The cannon means like like. I don't even know how to describe it. I can't even explain it so people want that movie. Last year they removed from the star wars universe. They wanted to not exist. That doesn't count which was the last jedi. Was that the you're not. The j.j abrams one after the j._j. Remove oh that's the that's the one that everybody hated because they said the first one was just like new hope but people liked it and then the set but it was just like new hope and the second one through two different yeah big beer minds right. I was similar cigarettes through different. Come on is i like the fact that we had the star. Wars movies in two thousand eighteen is incredible but there's no way i didn't even see the last jedi nazi watcher but there's no way that the last jedi is worse than the three prequels back prequels. Listen the prequel suck right but i still love him because their star wars right. You know what i'm saying. Yes absolutely appreciate it right right. You gotta be loyal to the brand of course and there's always something in the essence of star wars the socks but at least in the last like they have yoda but he's an old school puppet not c._g._i. Like i love that i appreciate it. Yeah you forget about that stuff. I went to see ghostbusters. Here's the first ghostbusters at a movie theater like a year or two ago. They had it on like thirty five millimeter or whatever and just watching it in that environment and seeing all the puppets and the real sets in the know c._g._i. And i'm like this is like it's tangible like it just feels. I like it so much better too. I hate the c._g._i. Stuff because if you watch like five five years later it's already dated. It looks like you know what i'm saying as opposed to like a lot like versus ghostbusters proton stream still look good. You know it's i guess that is whatever technology acknowledge that was but even like the terror dogs in the marshmallow man like a real marshmallow man you know and it's it's not c._g._i. But how do the practical effects and everything like that and the the giant <hes> giant a man and like set and is a miniature cars but they made it look real like you know i'm trying to say absolutely looks great. Absolutely i think it does stew and you know. It's not like real but you also don't you don't it. Doesn't you still get lost in it. You know what i mean 'cause. It feels like there's something going on ghostbuster. <hes> you're going to ask you about you got to think about it is undertaker shawn michaels john seen rock stone cold occur hawkins and ryder i do we should have been in the line at least me screw all kids but the factory at these one of ones. It's really cool to have it in my top ziegler's giving detailed. I've got a couple talk. I have it on display. It's a great <hes>. It's a one but everyone it's great. I'm honored to have it and i will. I will tell my grandchildren that it was really in the line right. Yes that's a lie though it is a lot yeah. Did you get is it. Did they make two sets. Do you have a hawkins and i have the it's like the two turtle doves the whole do like i have one and hawk says this is your and hawkins best friends necklace. Now you're forever lanes crossing the streams bad well but are you thinking about it this way one of one but don't you think that like there's a maybe a kid out there who at some point is going to be our age right and is gonna be a collector and they're going to be like you know what the i got the ghostbusters line but i gotta get get that one of one zack ryder gonna get it. You're never gonna get out no i don't. I don't like to sell my. There's there's things that i sell the michael jordan of bressler collecting. I've heard <hes> <hes> but something like that. I wouldn't sell like i would sell the hawkins one if i thought it but not this act on a big family i know i know i collect all his merchandise tonight's now. Did you go through a period of time in your life where your family or your friends where you're too old to still be collecting of course i when i was in high school or in college allerg- like i was embarrassed to collect i would go to toys r. us and always that give receipt you know what i'm saying. Oh yeah yeah when they going to. Do you want to give her seat and you're like yes. Of course i mean these kids eh me but now i don't give a damn. I the podcast that you know. I'm making a second living off toys. It is nice when you get to a place where you don't care because i remember when when i was in college that's when the classic superstars came out and when the two packs came out i was in syracuse and i was like i gotta go to the toys r. us in syracuse and they had that first wave okay which was rockers l._s._d. And the hart foundation and they had all three and i was like oh my god and not only was i like grab mall right away. I had to go by myself. Obviously i can tell the other people but i was so excited about it that you wanna talk about it like you want to tell somebody i just found the two packs and there was just nobody that i could tell without seeming seeming like a total outcast and that's how i initially bonded with hawkins is because we hated each other when we first met a wrestling school because reach of this competition but then when we realize oh my god you're eighteen eighteen and you still play was wrestling for years to finally somebody by the way you didn't just say you still collect wrestling. Please just fed for sure okay i. I no longer fig fed at eighteen i did i did yeah. I think yeah for sure i told myself i was just practicing spots for wrestling school in my head. I think it kind of ended when bone crunchers ended got all the titan and i kind of messed around with them but in terms terms of like i had a fig fed where i had like i would write down the match cards like the notebooks like every card thing i would do four ross and then a pay per view four ross and then it pay overview but i think so whatever year titan try and kicked off. That's when i started to kind of i think it was because the figures sucks so much that i was like i can were so bad except the ventures good vince was good. I that's the vince i have undeclared tie into glacier right now. That's a good that's the best tried vince the original great all jacked act up and stops yeah. It's perfect but the rest are terrible. Billy god is so bad. Who do you talk about wrestling with your sam. Nobody nobody nobody now have your interview of the day. Probably the lowest like views on whatever channels is going on the most interesting although i the truth was just talking about god knows what okay all right <hes> did you have. You been surprised at the people that you've talked in the locker room because you've had guests on the show that all have figure stories as well. Are you surprised at how outward they are with that stuff about how you've got. You and hawkins have kind of opened up that world to the rest of the locker room being like oh yeah we did this to. I think it's a different era when hogs and i got on the main roster in two thousand thousand seven. We were like twenty one twenty two and everyone was grown men. You know like undertaker bob holly j b l. Those guys didn't grow up with eljay heads ads. You know talk to jacob. Elevators fake fed did it didn't grow up like letting the phone fingers. They didn't grow up going. You know so like a different era and now i'm not you know now. All all everyone in the locker room grew up. We did like everyone. We've been there for so long but we're still young. You know what i'm saying so everyone now grew up grew up with the sleeping even bags in the bed sheets and the ice cream bar yeah that's the difference that like and i'm talking to people about this before the that all the guys now grew up fans but in an era where it's like wrestling was like a live action cartoon you know before we go a step further. I want to remind you guys about one of the most loyal sponsors to the show. Oh a sponsor that i hope each and every one of you is supporting whenever you get the chance. Of course i'm talking about seatgeek not only should you be supporting them because they're so loyal to not sam wrestling but because they're actually an amazing service i mean think about how many live event tickets the you can get out there millions of them whether it's sports live music comedy seek has all of them and they're all in one place you see. 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Games is a totally different era back in the day. There's no way i can be like hey undertaking wanna hear about this cool off guard fig. I got you know like undertaker. Did you get any any mail aways of you right but now it's totally different now. I don't care for instance like this year when i propose the chelsea <hes> wrestlemainia weekend. I don't know if you another story. I hid the ring in a grapple gear. Undertaker casket surprised the ring fit in there. 'cause no figures could fit in there so i hit in the task because i knew that like i-it's figures in my bag like chelsea wouldn't even think twice serves as like sound like of course you're bringing your gear with you of course but <hes> i told ms is the story at access and then take it happened to be access to and he brought me up to take care of the story now. I don't give a damn but like ten years ago. I would have been like grabbing. My parents say he was laughing about it. You know but like i would never have told that story ten years ago but now it's you shouldn't have ten years ago but what up dead you tair like everyone school about it at school. I mean you've been here ten years right like you. You're you're establish a lisa. I don't even know decent after a few years ago like a two year run with no t._v. Or something like that. It's not true one year i i've been on t._v. Every single year exam at least that's true because you've got in right at the crowd at the end in december right smack dead made that cows it airs internationally. That's true. I mean w work yeah i commentary for me so i made a big deal when you do that with bressler got it a huge now now. It's become a huge deal. I don't know what it was doing before but now it's a huge deal was by the way don't you like isn't there party that looks at hawkins and goes dude. We've been doing this for year. We are the representatives figure collecting for you to not have a male away hogan and your hasbro collection. No he does have one okay. I told them i was it was disgusting and he he was county. That purple heart brett loose as a male away. No not out of a bag of a bad forget it now. There's no proof that that's a male away. Now i <hes> he's now has the <hes> the hogan in the bag. Finally he does not have brenner taker in the back. I don't have rather take her either but i got home. I understand that brenton tiger but that's like. I can let those slide because for years. I'd have either because they're so expensive. There's nothing really that different about it. It's just a complete. It's just a complete thing but i can. I can see why people do without cogan. You need of course because it's completely different figure. It's one of the best hogan figures. I think it is the best yeah i mean. He needs to be a little bit more tan. He's pretty ted is not no no no no. That's the one hogan's not handed all nine style. It's great yeah. I like it a lot to talk to the great local a little. You know all right. I mean he's not the michael jordan scottie pippen you hear about lebron james coming after me. He's invite a lot of prototypes so you don't listen to my podcast now no i i mean it's so much like like i'm your so please. Dot com traits traits the week with no. I i enjoy for you like i i. I'm happy for you guys but when you're just like plugging people on instagram and i'm like oh they got more free figures like the tracy of the week it's for best wishes she's eight by ten or side like ryder elite side right or retro eighties saw glasses had ever do is it the rare writer elite aw which was the first one the only thing u._s._a. Jacket dude. I have a whole stack of those and the retro judas walmart and target. Don't you go to a target walmart. You show me his agra while they did for a long time. Yes i've never seen a rider retro on the shelves. What never a retro the elites. I've never seen the elite around for quite a while. Nobody was interested. That's incorrect sam. Nobody know this not apollo crews peg warmer level no way no always follow me. That's a that's a lie sam b._s. No zag riders did well retro the leaks it is well all right if you say hey i'll trade skis and the fans appreciate it and they love the best wishes they by ten made you when i had this <hes> this autograph signing on sunday fancy dmed a best wishes and you're gonna say bring your figures because i'm gonna need your collection and i'll size debate. They wanna best wishes. They're gonna have to ask everybody. Best wishes autographed risking signing so many autographs. I love the following your show account on twitter because yes that's where i get to see what it's always your stuff. I'm assuming what you're looking for. Hockey is is bare. Minimum brian doesn't control. I've i've given him the passwords these as a captain doesn't do it because he doesn't even tweet about the podcast he'll just like quote tweet my tweet and like a thumbs up emoji or flame emoji. Come can't even tweet tweet the podcast. I love your twitter account. 'cause i like to see what you what you're looking for like what you did like your new obsession because i can have session just clicks on and you're like okay. I need all this <music>. I'm currently looking for. I was outbid and not because i didn't want to spend money. I just forgot a foam al snow head bringing up. I saw i was going through twitter last night like the guys in a bad mood. 'cause i eight hours to get here from new york. It was ridiculous nice. They're going through twitter and the only thing that brought us smiling face the major figure podcasts send out a tweet that said if anybody has this protrayed ski of the week. It's one of the owl snow foam heads house. No responded to that on instagram. He said what if everybody what but he doesn't doesn't have one doesn't have now. It's very rare. I had it as a kid. <hes> and i don't know if i threw it out or lost it but now it's not the ones they gave out. It was the venue venues it was on the website emerge catalog for a period of time and it just helped me sticker on. It wants to be tracy of the week yeah. I never had that. I had my mom got me. A mannequin head look just like the one he had and i wrote about. It's not an official say roberts. You wouldn't buy the ten dollar head adult. I mean come on. What do i need to get that for. What do i need it for will look zack ryder. I'm glad things are going to go by the way you're seeing a little podcast. It's not a little podcast. Yes okay. Coca van is the godfather and then there's me i will give credits. Have you been you've been in this game for awhile so i i give you credit you. You've been <hes> uh hustling everybody gives me credit when they first start their podcast and then they do better than me and then they forget me. Give you credit for my podcast. That's not what i'm saying. I give you credit for hustler uh-huh and working hard being a hard worker. I remember meeting you or not. We met but i remember doing interviews. You've ringside fest in two thousand eleven that all these years later yet that a beard you're still here. You still get yeah. I'm zack ryder. I'm still here. I sitting there like at walmart last night trying to try to do this and i was like i can't believe steve. I'm still doing this look you w._w._e. They love you. It's great somehow you need to the the guardian program. I'm on. I'm on the pre show this weekend. I'm doing obviously makes needs to be sick. Smell the water me disgusted by it and the other part of me is happy for you. I feel the same. Thank you zack ryder. It's like it's now time for this. Week's state of wrestling here we are it is time as the think said for this week state of wrestling the top five stories in the whole world of professional wrestling as decided on by yours truly the last professional broadcaster sam roberts here. We are <hes> my top five stories of the week. It's a loaded week for sure too. Big show's happening this week as i said i'm thinking that we may very well due to two bonus video shows that will also be posted. His audio shows further not sam shells exclusively over patriotdepot dot com slash not sam wrestling the first one <hes> will be right after i think annexed to u._k. Takeover cardiff that would be story number five as well annex t u._k. Takeover cardiff goes down on saturday now look. Let's not all pretend we're watching next to u._k. Every week the amount of programming the w._w._e. Alone puts out now. They're adding at least an hour at least bare minimum. We're going to have an hour of content added when next he goes to ours but with all the talk of fox sports one having being w._w._e. Shows added to that platform some rumors rumbling of smackdown being three hours long. Hopefully they'll just do a a talking smack instead instead of a third hour smackdown or something like that but idea is they'll be even more content in a month or so so plus a w. That's that's two hours right there. Plus pay per views so i don't get to watch any u k every single week however i watch all of the live specials and so far they have not struck out once and that goes back to the original u._k. Championship tournament when tyler bait was crowned the i ever w._w._e. U._k. champion in a main event match with pete done and we've seen the careers of mustache mountain and what's happened <hes> <hes> what kind of the top tier guys in that tournament since that tournament happened you know especially pedone pedone carrying that title as long as he did he'd just part of a tremendous triple the threat north american championship match at the last annex t takeover. It's amazing to watch these guys and at some point at some some point. You're gonna see tyler bait. You're gonna see pete done. You're gonna see a lot of these guys on the main roster. I believe at some point right now. I'm glad that they're not on the main roster because they add a lot of star power to the next to u._k. Brin are technically pete done. Is i think in annex t not x t u k <hes> he's kind of distanced himself of course since losing the annex t or the w._w._e. U._k. championship to walter who is the force to be reckoned with in annexed to u._k. But there's some rumors floating around says r._o. Mentioned on twitter that he he was heading over to cardiff for annexed to u._k. Takeover and pedone responded to it just said like okay or something like that. The rumors are now flying that maybe there's going to be a surprise cicero pete don match at u._k. And i take over and i really hope that that happens on saturday. What a match that would be an it will be so great for scenario. I think if anybody says aro desperately needs the opportunity to you have a five star match to have a match that everybody's talking about and let's be honest the people performing at takeover cardiff if our aware that they're performing on the same day for the american audience. I mean i guess for the u._k. Audience too although i think with the time change technically a._w._o._l. Out is on sunday morning. It's the same hours of difference but they're ahead of us. The reason that we're getting this special in the middle of the afternoon is because it's primetime over in the u._k. <hes> but realistically these guys are gonna wanna put on a show. The the people are talking about on sunday knowing that eight. W has their pay per view happening as well. They want to be able to get at least some of that spotlight and i think that says aro is the guy that wants to take full advantage of that opportunity. Zara is a guy who wants to grab that spotlight for himself breath and make sure that he gets the weekend and i think done is the same way i think if you gotta saro p match on that show you're looking at two guys that want to take the weekend on. You know a huge weekend for wrestling. I'm not saying they will take the weekend. I'm just saying when guys like pete dunne annonces r._o. Are in that mode. It's a treat for all of us because they're two of the best in the world so i really really hope that match does happen matches that we oh are happening. Travis banks gnome dr going to be great. I'm fans of both of them. This match may steal the show dave mastiff. If versus joe coffee in a last man standing match if you've seen any of anything from these guys the fact that they're getting the opportunity and they know by the way they know same. We're talking about zero and pedone but on a different level these guys know the the is there on these annexed he u._k. Okay takeovers. It's not dissimilar to annex t. There's a lot more people that watch annex t takeover. I believe so far then there. Are that have watched tv. I think that that all changes when annex t is on the u._s._a. Network but for now there are more people to watch takeovers than their watch annex t tv. I think the same can be said and probably exponentially more for annex t u k. I think there are a lot of people do not watch annex t u._k. Every week but will tune in to this live show because is your saturday afternoon. You got live wrestling on t._v. And oh yeah it's going to be you know. I don't even know on what level i mean. There are so many good wrestling shows right now you i would say that this show would be candidate for one of the best shows the year but it'd be candidate along with thirty other shows so but i i i do think that this match is just going to be a hard hitting slugfest and i think it's going to be a real treat for all of us. You got the triple threat tag title match wjr that gibson and james drake defending against mark andrews and flash morgan webster defending against gallus which is mark coffee and wolfgang saying i would. I don't know i would like to see mark andrews flash maureen webster get the tag titles. You know i like both it does guys a lot. <hes> you know i think that they they add so much personality and then once they get in the ring. Just tear it up. I'm i'm a fan of both of those guys in a big way. I'd like to see them. Get the tag titles but i wouldn't mind either if the champions retained two big matches on the show annexed to u._k. Women's championship tony storm members's kaley ray. Tony storm has some of the biggest buzz of anybody in all of the n._f._c. u._k. Brand. I think that you're nuts. If you even consider you're taking the annex t k women's championship off of the waste of tony storm. Look you know i think that the already when you you talk about the women that connects u._k. Has put on a platform. I rea- ripley is going to be one of the the biggest stars that annex t u k produces period men male or female. I mean rea- ripley to me. I i am so i i wanted her to hold the u._k. Championship forever until we got a champion versus. Champion shane obeys lereah ripley match. I think i could say the same thing about tony storm. I would love for tony storm for the next year to hold onto that annex t u k women's championship or maybe not even for a full year maybe until march wrestlemainia season at the takeover that would go down in whereas wrestlemanias tampa takeover tampa. I guess it will be that's a nice alliteration. Put tony storm as the annex t k women's championship against shane obeys. Lawyer is the next women's champion. I think it'd be cool but i want tony storm to hold onto it forever and then you've got walter versus tyler bait which is perfect because tyler betas so small mall that the stuff that he's going to be able to do with walter is going to be amazing in terms of selling. He's gonna make walter looked like an ogre but the fact that he is freakishly strong. I mean you see the quads on this guy jesse freakishly strong and so good in every position interesting ring the fact that he's going to be he's going to be able. I believe tyler bait is going to be able to pull off moves against walter that it should be impossible for a guy of his size. You know i think that tyler bait was the good guy star coming off of the x t k championship tournament and for me. The only thing that stole his star power was pete done all. I cared about coming off of that annexed next to u._k. Championship was pete done immediately as disguised my favorite. This guy's the man this guy's star. I had him on the podcast not long after that u._k. Championship tournament before before the u._k. N._f._c. u._k. Was even a brand. I had pete down on the on the podcast because i was such a fan but i think that saturday at takeover cardiff that's going to be the night. The tyler bait reminds people who he is because you know it's amazing amazing matches with pete done but eventually annexed. He moved on from having done tyler bait annexed to u._k. Champion or or w._w._e. U._k. Championship matches and we saw pedone do some amazing. I'm sorry tyler bay do some amazing things in mustache stash mountain with trent seven. We saw become a part of a great team but really the idea of him. Being a top single star. Dr was put on the backburner momentarily because at the end of the day pete down was champion. He'd beat him a couple times. What else are you gonna. Do i think now we've gotten to a point where people need to be reminded. What a championship caliber athlete. This guy is and i think they will be reminded minded at takeover carter. I think it's going to be a really great show especially if you potentially add innocence match maybe against pedone but even these five matches are amazing think but regardless. It's going to be great story. Number four is all about the stories that are going on on smackdown right now an kobe versus randy being one brian verses roman being too so covy versus randy again. This is the story that i've been waiting for but i think that somebody needs to tell the villains of smackdown. They don't always have to go after families. It feels like randy. Orton saw samoa joe going going after a._j. Styles family and he was like oh do that to kingston like i think we can do a lot more dwelling on the real life heat that may or may not have existed between randy orton and kofi kingston make it uncomfortable make it relatable. You know we all have people who we've worked with. Who we can. We know are that person is actively working against me. That person has the ear of my boss and he's going to my boss and he is sabotaging me. He is slowing down progress. You know if we're getting kobe's family involved at all. Cova should be saying randy. I don't wanna hear about you going to my son's hotel room. I want to hear you explain to me. What gives you the right what gave gave you the right to make a concerted effort to take food off of my sons table the w._w._e. Champion campion makes a whole hell of a lot more money than i've been making over the past ten years trying to get back into the title seen. I could have been making that money but you made sure that. I didn't get the opportunities. It's like i said to j._b._l. On the summer slam kickoff show you could make the argument well. Kofi kingston deserved it. He would have won the title. He didn't have any title matches there. You go. You can now blend that because you're going unlike sam like we gotta blend some storyline in here. We can't just tell the real story of what's going on behind the scenes. That's true whining. Kofi kingston of any title matches because randy orton was politicking king against him put him at the bottom of the pile and then have kofi saying have kofi say and we all know when you're not the shiny new toy in in a certain persons i in this company. There's not much you can do to get back into good graces. It took me ten years and a guy getting injured. The only reason i- kofi kingston was finally able to get the opportunity that i got is because these fans made it undeniable and once i got that opportunity i showed the world how ready i was ready. I could have done this years ago and you. You took it away from me. You stunted my career. You took food off my family's plate and if it wasn't for your woods you put in a hospital and if it wasn't for big e coming to my aid when i needed them most and forming the new day with me me i don't know where i'd be right now if it wasn't for these fans making it undeniable and if it wasn't for biggie eggs aveer woods holding me the up like you never did doing the opposite of what you did. I don't know where i'd be right now and it's not because i'm not good enough because the minute minute got an opportunity. I went to the top and silenced every doubter every doubter. Tell the story of a guy who has had the best post wrestlemainia season of any w._w._e. Superstar on the roster mr tell that story. This is not a flash in the pan covy went to summer slam and his left. He is still the champion indian from wrestlemainia and he's still a believable champion and he's still the champion. The people want rainy ordonez the guy to say we'll yeah now now. You're ready for it no dude. I've been ready for it now. Apparently you're ready for it but that doesn't really bother me. What bothers me is you. You actively campaigned against me. You know that's the story that i want to see more of less of the you know. I'm never mad when he gets personal. It's relatable. Somebody was messing with my son. I'd be curious like yeah. I get it. Bring out the reciting kofi but i think you could bring out the angry citing kofi by citing thing really really really getting into everything that happened ten years ago because the build up to summer slam you scratch the surface but you didn't really dive deep. You didn't make it ugly. You didn't make it hurt. You didn't hit the route you know. You still haven't hit the route with that story. As far as i'm concerned and i think he could and and i think if you're really good the other story is the roman reigns daniel bryan story of course the who done it starting to be solved. <hes> there are a couple of things with last week or this week last week leading into this week. You know it's weird. I saw some complaints about like <hes> how how this week kind of nullified last week and how you couldn't really tell the difference in the video that we watched watched which by the way why did it take this long to get presented but in the video that we watched it could've just as easily been the weirdo with the red beard that we met last week on smackdown as it was eric rowan like why all of a sudden was clearly. That's era groen. Why didn't you go with that's. That's the guy that we had under a sheet last week and what happened to the guy who is under the sheet last week still questions out there and part of that is because i feel like every time there's new information formation to be put out there in the roman reigns daniel bryan story daniel bryan roman reigns and eric rowe and have all of three minutes to cram into the last segment the the last quarter of a segment on an episode of smackdown to just try to rush to get it all in but some people blur like mad about it and i you know i don't i'm not sitting. You're going like who doesn't that. Nullify every happened last week like if this was just going to happen. Why would you do that like we're finally getting a story. That's being told over time. This is the same these are the same people who thought that the story was getting rewritten two days after it happened because the angle wasn't good which isn't true like allow this long form warm story to be told before you sit there and go you know well this week may last week not make any sense. Well okay dude but we're trying to see the fourth through the trees. You know what i mean like. What do we want here. What are we what are we as fans fighting for at the end of the day i get it. We're fighting for quality at the end of the day. Whether it's long form or short form we just want good stories and good matches right. That's what we want but i think that there is a need for long form stories. Everybody talks about you know the year long bill to the mega-powers uh-huh people constantly bring up. Did they want more long form storytelling and not like on a whim changes that you know make it so that nothing matters and if that's the case then you gotta have the patience to let stuff play out. I mean that's what we hear. All the time is that you can't do these long-form stories because you have two hours of smackdown. Three hours of raw live every single week where you expect magic to happen every single week you know and if you want all the answers every single week you can get them but this storyline is not gonna last all that long so i think that that that's something that people need to keep keep in mind when judging the progress of this storyline in my mind it's still playing out exactly as i thought it would play out at the end of the day whether it's rain your and kofi kingston whether it's daniel bryan and and and the roman reigns story from beginning to end really whether it's king of the ring whether it's any of this stuff a lot of people do ron smackdown recap podcasts. I do the recap podcast week before the shows are actually on the air. I think that's pretty impressive impressive. I've been hitting it out of the park with my not even predictions suggestions lately. I just want to put that out there but yeah i mean i'm not i'm still i leave. Smackdown knock on wood. They didn't make any sense. I leave smackdown going okay. Where's this going because it is going somewhere every week. It has gone somewhere. There's no reason for me to sit there and go. This isn't going anywhere because it is. Every week has gone somewhere. We're just not at the final lionel to use a daniel bryan pun. We're not ready for the final countdown just yet you know i think that we should she go pretty far to convince people that there is a rift between era growing and daniel bryan. I think daniel bryan should fight eric rowe in next week on smackdown. I think there should be a match and they should have legit match you know and maybe like eric rowe in wins via count out right like i think like like you could give here's what i would do. I would do eric rowe versus daniel bryan next week on smackdown. I would do a <hes> eric. Raw daniel bryan like building some real sort of old school daniel bryan conquering the giant david versus goliath type type of magic then i would have eric rowe and just lay a beat down on him just a bad sympathetic good guy beat down not that air groans good guy but we're having we're showing sympathy for the good guy daniel bryan i would have era grow and not paying him but win by countdown just beat the tar out of him on the outside of the the ring and arrogant gets back in the ring almost like the beserk were used to win matches against jobbers by countdown. You'd give them like the gorilla prez over the top rope out of eric grown win by account out <hes> i would then have grown drag daniel bryan back into the ring and continue the beatdown. I would have roman reigns. Come out and saved daniel bryan. I would have roman reigns staredown eric rohan. I would have daniel bryan like you know shaking romans hands saying thank you and then i would have the challenge made by roman reigns. The match announced at clash of champions because again. Let's get roman reigns on pay per view but let's not put them in a title match. Eric rowe versus roman reigns and you've done two things here. You've made it so that eric rowan is clearly the bad guy who's responsible for this attack and you've made eric rowan looked like a powerful force in the sense that he just beat daniel bryan into oblivion right so you're not sitting there going like roman reigns versus. Some jobber like you're spending the next couple of weeks before a clash of champions. You're spending unless it's a champion's. I think it's clash of champions. You're spending that time building up. Eric rowan is this guy who could legitimately beat roman reigns and then maybe the next week daniel bryan's off tv entirely. Maybe just on a promo whatever it is but daniel bryan find becomes almost ancillary but he's a good guy again like he basically has a baby face. Turn over the course of a week or two only to have daniel bryan interfere on air groans behalf at night of champions that leads us to a hell in a cell match between eric rowan between daniel bryan and roman reigns. Maybe between heroin and daniel bryan against roman reigns at helena sell some shamas thing happens and we get to survivor series with daniel bryan versus roman reigns. I mean it's kind of like that's why i'm not covering king of the ring this week because i was a one hundred percent right this week again so i could just sit here and say the same thing i feel like i've <hes> this this very similar what i laid out last week for daniel bryan inara growing because <hes> i've been right so i don't want to <hes> to my own horn but totally to okay you know i mean i'm happy with it because i've been i've been pretty right so far even with the samoa joe thing pretty impressive. Gotta take one more time out from the podcast so i could tell you about something. I'm very excited about and that's the new season okay. I'm excited about antonio brown being on the raiders. I'm excited about levy on bell being on the jets odell beckham ecm being in cleveland. You're sitting there going sam. Do you know anything about what you're talking about right now. 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We all know that that's a big night right away. It is because that's september nine september eighth. The night before rock comes back to madison square garden not sam wrestling. We'll be live at caroline's on broadway. Lots of great guests lots of great fun in happening. It's going to be an amazing celebration. Caroline's dot com for tickets. It's my birthday show. It's everything going on all the same time. You're gonna regret not being there. Her caroline's dot com sunday september eighth seven p._m. Not sam wrestling live but the news broke out about that show is that stone cold steve austin will be at raw in madison square garden big deal madison square garden is a big big spot for raw madison square garden. I remember because i was there is where kane got unmasked for the first time madison square garden. I remember because i was there is where triple h returned from his injury to announce that he was going to be in the royal rumble frame. We returned from his quad injury and it was literally to this day day to this day to this day. It was the biggest crowd reaction. I've ever heard it was incredible. People people forget in that era how popular triple h was. He really was <hes> madison square garden. Also oh the the night stall steve austin stunned vince mcmahon and that was a bigger deal than i think people even realize because vince mcmahon was not sort of people people knew but onscreen he didn't really play up the fact that he was the owner of the company but this is when stone cold steve austin was out with his neck injury coming owning off of summer slam ninety-seven and started stunning people that normally didn't have much physical contact. You know stunning a referee. He stunned gave j._r. This don't call stunner. He gave sargent slaughter. This don't call stunner and there was this thing that is fans. You're like oh my god like nobody had ever really put their hands on vince mcmahon in a in a real way is vince mcmahon gonna take stunner this was before he was getting spat on by brad hard this was before he was <hes>. Ah doing matches this was before. We even see him in a tank top. Okay this is vince mcmahon in a black denim jacket that said raw on it before thousands. This is casual. We'd never seen him before that it was just that weird sky blue double breasted suit so he stunned him. Amass disregarding huge moment huge huge moment madison square garden has missed the last few moments. They didn't get raw twenty or twenty five. I guess it was. There's a couple of them. There <hes> <hes> it's been years since we're always at madison square garden stone calls coming back and you would have to imagine that a lot of this has to do with promoting his show and that there is a high likelihood that this could go like rory union went where stone call comes out. He does a promo go. The route twenty five show went where he comes out. He doesn't promo. Maybe he's stunts vince mcmahon again. You know and nobody would be mad. It's don't call just comes out and has a fan service moment but hear me out on this what if forgive the noise in the background. If you hear it what what if stone cold steve austin he comes out. He's drinking beers. He's doing the whole thing with everybody. Mr mcmahon comes out not they're not stephanie. We don't want an exact repeat of what happened at the barclay center but mr mcmahon comes out and he goes steve. We've had good times and bad times. You know it was right here. You stunned me but steve. I'm glad we're on the same page babo by they go back and forth right. They tease it. We kind of know what's coming. They cheers a beer. They tease it. Oh events. I'm not going to stun you. Okay grace steve says it. I'm not going to stun you. Bob over there is one more thing of events and he goes. What's that steve and he goes. I thought i remember i told you all those years ago and vince goes what's that when he goes d._t._a. You stupid son of a bitch. Don't trust nobody and then he stands him right there right there. Boom people go nuts d._t._a. He's up on the top rope dead at de dead dead it that first corner second they can corner third corner. He goes up to that fourth corner. He puts his arms up in the air. Bird lights goes out. Oh my gods don't go looks around like what is that book burr another. One of the lights goes out. The fans are going no way but there goes the third one stone cold is standing in the ring. He's not gonna run from anybody but we'll we're. There goes the fourth one this couldn't be. This couldn't be there he is the fiend is here. Stone-cold turns around he looks at the fien he gives the fiend the double bird he puts the boot up to kick him. The fiend slaps the boot out of the way and he gives steve austin the mandible claw he puts he slaps the boot out of the way he grabs him. Stone stone calls looking up at him. He kisses him on the head. We think he's going to give them the sister abigail but he locks down puts. The two fingers in gives steve the mandible claw and puts stone. Don't call steve austin down. That's what i'm advocating for. You go to madison square garden with stone cold steve austin you do that. Oh my god you have everybody talking about the fiend forever you get the fan service moment you get vince taking a stunner again in madison square garden arden and then get the fiend coming out after laying out kurt angle after laying out mick foley after laying out jerry the king lawler he lays out stone cold steve austin look a lot of people have laid out legends before nobody's laid out stone cold steve austin. You remember wrestlemainia. Stoical uncle stunned the entire new day. People don't lay him out. You wanna make the fiend different. You're gonna put him a step. Above all of a sudden the fien is not laying out legends that other people have laid out and really when you think about it kurt angle mick foley legends of the attitude era the same error that stone cold steve austin is a legend of these are the guys that don't go steve austin had matches with you know if he can lay out her angle and he can lay out mick foley at quite frankly you lay out the king of memphis tennessee jerry king lawler. Why couldn't he layouts. Don't call steve austin. John stone cold. Steve austin is not currently wrestling in a ring then. Why wouldn't the fien be tough enough to lay out steve austin. That's what i wanna see fan. Service feel-good stunnerd of vince mcmahon celebrate beers lights start going out fiend fiend. We think it's going to be a sister abigail. It's the mandible claw and the fiend gets up and that's it. That's what i wanna see and i'll tell you one of the main reasons i wanna see it is story number two story number two. I think helen sal is going to be in sacramento this year. It's the next pay per view and the venue is promoting that it helena sell. There's going to be a helena sell universal ursel title match between bray wyatt and either seth rollins brunch stroman now. It's not a mistake because they're being careful enough to say either braun strowman or seth rollins so this moment that's kind of nuts. Let's he's had one match. He beat imbalance is a great match is dominant. He's at one match a bunch of in yet and several run ins. He's got nothing booked for clash of champions right now. He said no television matches which again. I don't think he should but not so right now. Story number two doesn't make all the sense in the world. It's almost like you wish that the fiend would lay lay out some more people and you know we talk about kofi kingston being undeniable make the fiend undeniable made it so that the only thing that fiend has left to do is go for that universal championship championship before he goes for the universal championship but if you have the fiend layout steve austin then i would think that the universal championship is kind of the next logical step. If you lay out steve austin the only legend you have you have to legends left to lay out the rock and the undertaker you know realistically if the fiend laid out hulk hogan i think we'd all assume that he would layout hulk hogan. I think we'd all assume he lay out ric flair. You know these are guide but steve austin that would put him on a whole 'nother level and it will put them on the other level the type of level you need to beyond to go to helena sal and compete against seth rollins or brench braun strowman. I would imagine seth rollins if that's actually happening. You know if that is the way it's going to go. I hope it does and i hope that that's how we get there all right so that was story number two who let's get into story number one and that is of course all out is going down on saturday night eight ws second pay per view fourth show show yeah they did. They did double or nothing then they did fight for the fallen then they've done they did two shows on bleacher report live right yeah and then they did and then this will be the pay per view look man i liked it annexed next to you going head to head with a w because a._w._s. Put on the one paper you they've put on was really great. Awa has not yet put on a show. That's been better than the best takeover eight. W has not yet put on a show that in my opinion is better than a takeover in in this era of annex t in my opinion could they yeah of course you know they've got a tremendous talent roster and they've only put on one pay per view so it's not like i'm saying like a._w._s. Goes annex t a._w._s. Not better or worse than anything yet. It's like facebook in the beginning of the facebook movie. We don't know so what it is yet. We don't know what it is. People were like it's better than w._w._e. Now it's not it's worse than w._w._e. No it's not it's they've added one pay per view and to televised live events theoretically right you know i would say between october second and the pay per view after that that will be when we we can decide what it's better or worse than when we see the run of t. Weekly television shows leading into their first pay per view. I think that's when educated opinions can really start to be formed on on a w but <hes> they took a big hit <hes> dean ambrose jon moxley has mersa in his elbow and so he's not going to be able in to <hes> compete at all out so the john moxie kenny omega match is not happening if this paper. You doesn't suffer too much because of it. It's almost a blessing in disguise because now you've got a big job. You've got a big match to go with the next pay per view. You know what i mean. It's not like kenny omega versus. Jon moxley is going anywhere soon as john. Moxie is able to compete again putting that match on the next pay. Per view is still a huge match right and they replaced that with pock the former naval <hes> versus kenny omega which is a great replacement like that's going to be an amazing match especially since nobody really he knew what the status of the bastard pock was so you know i. I think that a._w._s. Done a good job of of fixing that issue. It's nearly as big as jon moxley because i think there's still a lot of w._w._e. Dean ambrose fans that wanna see jon moxley be jon moxley and want to see him in a match that would be by far the biggest match he's had since leaving w._w._e. So you know i think eventually everything will be okay. I think it sucks for this weekend. For eighty w <hes> it doesn't suck as much as it would have because they got packed but it still sucks. Let's go over what the matches are. Of course the twenty one woman casino royale winner receives a match for the inaugural. Awa women's world championship scheduled for october second <hes> so i guess the dell decide. I don't know who that match is going to be with. You know the way that they did <hes> unless no they didn't say the triple threat women's match was that i don't think so. I don't think that they've made any decision as to how they're going to determine who the other woman will be. They could do it razor. Ramon rick martel rules the last as to women in this battle royal <hes> get the match but i don't think that they've done that. I think that they're going to have another women's match the same way they did. The men's cassino battle royale at the first awa pay per view. That was the one that adam page. One chris jericho be kenny omega. Now you got jericho versus. <hes> hey man page obviously though we sound kind of match to determine who the opponent of the winner of the twenty one woman casino royale will will be <hes> to determine the first women's champion so you've got that which i think it'll be tremendous <hes> rio verses hickory shida i dunno. I know either those two guys. I have no doubt that it'll be good but it'll be on the pre show. Those are the two pre show matches then you've got six man tag the trio's lucia soroush jungle boy and marco stunt. You know if you're gonna have jungle boy and marcos might as well put them together right. I liked the idea of lucia stores just having one guy on each shoulder when he comes to the ring you know the boys share their dinosaur versus of course s._c._u. So cal uncensored christopher daniels frankie gazarian scorpio sky. If i i don't know i i would. It's weird because on on one end i would say you know i think you want to build sympathy for marco stunt and jungle boy and had them lose. I think so callan censored will probably do well to really start to define themselves as bad guys and that would be one way to do it but at the same time part of it is is you know especially with the marco stunt story like the feedback that he got online from people saying that while you're too small you shouldn't even be a pro wrestler. You know having that person get victory on the first pay per view wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either also on the i'm sorry the rio hickory cheetah matches not on the pre show <hes> there they were i. I looked at my list wrong. The other pre show match is anjelica. Jack evans versus private party. I mean that matches gonna steal the pre show for sure. That's going to be an incredible match. You got the cracker barrel clash which i'm looking forward to of course cracker barrel clash darby alan versus joe jalen versus jimmy havoc. I wonder if cracker barrel knows what they're in for. I don't mind having sponsored matches <hes>. I think that you got to keep the same energy. I get the cracker barrel. All is a more organic sponsor than like some of the w._w._e. Sponsors but if you're okay with the cracker barrel clash until you've got to be okay with you know whatever sponsor presents the next raw match yeah. I think it's all fine but obviously it's gonna be no-holds-barred because it's a triple threat match and i think this one is. I think that there's will be darby. Allen's match to win. I think they're making a star darby allen joy john. We'll get his time and he already has a lot of buzz. I think darby allen will win the match because <unk>. I think a lot of people were talking about darby allen after the cody rhodes match and i know a lot of people wanna darby allen to beat cody so <hes> adding needed this will be good for that. I don't think that darby should have beaten cody by the way but i do think that they're trying to build arbi ellen into something i think you you got to lose your brothers. Versus the young bucks. I could watch this. Oh it's a ladder match for the triple. A tag eighteen o w w front row is correcting me rio and car ashida our <hes> female wrestlers so again. I have no idea who they are but but it should be good a clearly have not who they are because they just said they were meant wrestlers but if you use that clip out of context please also include my correction <hes> and then you could still film academy the aaa world tag team championship ladder match. It's coming unreal. I go watch the brothers and the young bucks. The only danger is as i feel like they're gonna take the entire show for themselves not in a negative way but who wouldn't wanna see this match go for three hours you know. I think it's going to be great. I think this is his <hes>. This is what a._w._s. All about matches like this. You know young box andalucia brothers. I think everybody wants to see them in w._w._e. Next for a reason so yeah i i can't imagine a better opponent for either team and if you're gonna do that match again we've already seen it make it a ladder match this time killer killer killer killer <hes> we got the best friends chuck taylor and trent baretta versus the dark order a winners will receive a first round by in the awa world tag team championship tournament so really this is the first match in the a w world takes him championship. Tournament is the same thing like i would imagine the team loses. I mean i guess i guess you could put the other team back in the tournament ornament and that's how you could save them but theoretically this is just a first round awa championship tournament match. I have the best friends when you know the dark. Order doesn't do it for me. Add all like i. I don't dark order feels a little cheese to me. It doesn't do it for me at all but i like chuck taylor and trent baretta cody rhodes versus shawn spears. That's the grudge match. Of course everybody's looking forward to now. Shawn spears has tully blanchard in his corner. I would imagine there will not be any chair shots to the head gimmick or non gimmick <hes> <hes> but look. I mean realistically if i ask you i mean cody is in a tough spot now because he kinda got called <music> out vince mcmahon talked about the <hes> bloodletting happening at the bloodbath that was going on at their competitors cody has bled on every show but you're trying to tell the story between cody rhodes and shawn spears as this portrayal of friends ultimate grudge edged match. I feel like this one requires blood to. I doubt there i mean i don't doubt that there will be but i would think that there wouldn't be but we'll see if anything deserved blood on this show cody versus shawn spears <hes> you know i kind of wonder with all great stories that are being told around cody rhodes odes cody. I shouldn't be calling him cody rhodes. You almost wonder if we're going to quick i mean i guess they didn't want to do a whole long thing with dustin inroads in a._w._s. Maybe but cody versus dustin incredible story cody versus shawn spears incredible story to have these matches already happening. Even cody versus darby the allen. I mean maybe it's just because codes is a good storyteller and he makes you believe in every match but you almost wanna go like pace yourself buddy pace yourself then you got we already talked talked about pack versus kenny omega as good. I think substitution as you could possibly find for jon moxley and then of course your main event for the evening for the inaugural a._w._o._l. Championship anna page versus chris jericho. I think if it's up to me <hes> chris jericho wins. This match becomes comes the awa world champion. He'll champion. You know i do think i mean look it. They hired shivani. They hired j._r. They are like i i feel and it's you know it's cody and his road sensibilities. I feel like a lot of what a._w._s. Is doing does hearken back to the n._w._e._a. Days like they are looking at that as a model more than w._w._e. I think now being said it wouldn't be shocking if the way that w._w._e. Usually has a good guy. I champion. If a w starts out with a bad guy champion <hes> you know. I think chris jericho is the guy to do it. Obviously i think if you want to have press conferences as you wanna media coverage you want chris jericho to be the guy who's holding your championship makes your product seemed like a bigger deal to people who don't know. 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After the final Ryder Cup

Fore Play

1:19:36 hr | 2 years ago

After the final Ryder Cup

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Slash four Peter Millar dot com. Slash four. Let's talk some golf. John. Know this stuff that they post some of it's like. Zoe stupid, but some of its action quite quite amusing and stuff like that is what we need to get people to Chuck. The to to the game of goal is to be your boys. Congratulations. On your doing. Mediocre as it is. He's younger hip or forms like barstools four Tigers had three back surgeries. He's had one fusion. We welcome in from barstool sports rigs, and Trent guys welcome to the show four players in abide barstool sports. We're coming off a big show coming off, Greg Norman, the shark himself. Yup, was in studio. Many people are calling it our best interview that we've done it works out so well, when you get someone in studio, and then when you when you make that person, Greg, fucking Norman, right. It just takes it to the next level. You get re Trenton. I talked about it in the few minutes that we did last show before kind of leading into the Greg Norman interview, how he has every right in the world to be sort of above us to walk around in his own world to be largely impervious to everything that's going on around him. He was not like that at all, aside from everything about him and he's awesome. He's worth three hundred million dollars. Yeah, that number doesn't make any. He doesn't have to come into this godforsaken hellhole of an office that we haven't come talk to us for a full hour for no reason for no reason for no good reason. He just came anything specifically. He's just like, I never knew line a word to us about promoting a new line of shark gear coming out. He's just in town and he wanted to come hang out with us, where do we sit and what are we want to talk about was pretty, it'd be more in the mix. Like even when I went to go to the pizza view with him, he's like, when are we doing this again? And I even asked his publicist like, why is Greg doing this? Like I said, that's why, because I have that same question whenever we do something with these guys, right? Like sometimes we'll go to the, these guys will have to travel and sit in these cars, and sometimes they'll municipal like pizza views like in queens and chips. Like these guys are worth like hundreds of millions of dollars, right? Why and what are they doing with? He says like, he just can't stop like he didn't. He couldn't stop. When he played in his career is what he told us. Like if a guy had five hundred practicing seat hit seven hundred, like he just can't stop twilight. Paul McCartney's still comes out with new. Music and towards just what they do. It's just like they can't live, Greg Norman can't live without just talking about golf around work and work ethic and just owning life. Can you imagine owning lifelike that now he's in inspiration, just put together a nightstand in my room. Yeah. Do move to New York before I knew move to New York. Wow. It's morning, eight minutes, six minutes. What was your commute was like an hour and twenty minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Door to door had like my dad dropped me off. We were rushing. We were making. Sometimes we'd see the train coming and I'd make him just like shout to my dad who would always dried, make him just drive on the other side of the road. I mean, talk about like waking up at seven o'clock in the morning drive on your side of the road. Where do you like. At the at the station that we go faster, you're driving. Station, we get to write. There's a spot where the tr- the things come down for the train tracks. So all the cars stop and we need to make a left before the train check. So I would always have him. There's always be a backup, and I'd have him get on the other side of the road and just speed before a car comes our way, and we'd make that let than we'd like catch the train. But that was an intense couple of a lot of stress every morning. My dad's like sweat and tech someone on the training like, thanks for that. I don't know why they put me through this. So yes, a lot easier, but took to my point. I put together a nightstand when when you open up this box, you see a million fucking nuts and bolts. I couldn't believe what I had to do, but I felt so accomplished after I'd worked so hard and I built it, it's kinda like like you just you just feel good when you're working all the time. Right. Just totally him back from work. And then I worked at night and I did that nightstand Greg Norman's just working. It must feel great to just like work and be successful. Yeah, leave New York. It'd be like, man, we dominated new to all these different places. We gave all some interviews. People love us. We're talking about Greg Norman's like the most likeable dude I've ever watched on video. He is awesome if you have not listened to that interview for some godforsaken reason goalless into the Greg Norman interview. We also so it's it's off season right now for golf, it's the low season. We're cutting back to one show week. We're going to obviously work to get guests. We're gonna fill those shows with as much awesome stuff as we can. If you remember last winter, we had Gill hands on who talked all kinds of awesome course architecture. We had Steve rabbi do who's the course superintendent and wing foot, Steve Ravindu. Awesome. It sounds like a boomerang. So we did all kinds of cool stuff. We are talking still with with the shark and with his folks about doing more of an in-depth like Greg Norman unchained episode where we may be throwback a couple of cocktails beforehand, then turn on the cameras. Turn on the audio, turn on the record button and just let it fly. So there's been talk about doing something. Like that with his people. So it's going to be an awesome offseason, but we're cutting back to one show weeks. We're gonna cram a lot in there. We have maybe the longest outline I've ever written with stuff to talk about all the Ryder Cup. We had to shelve a bunch of it because the shark, we didn't want to obviously clutter last Thursday's show. We want that one to be clean. It also works better that way for the archives. Like when somebody goes back to, you know, listen to the Greg Norman interview. I don't want there to be thirty minutes of random Bs on there. I want them to be able to just get the Greg Norman stuff. So we shelved a bunch of stuff. A bunch of Ryder Cup gossip a bunch of drama, a bunch of back and forth. So we've got to get to that. Okay. This weekend. I play chenecocs. Jay did not. Gil I have is crazy, but yeah, kinda came out of nowhere. I started posting about people like what is was happening right now couldn't believe it. I usually I'll like send you a message. I'll like reply to Instagram, like, wow, I didn't even wanna do that for this one. He knows rigs knows and he didn't even like you knew that everyone knew where you were playing because you didn't tag it, you didn't? Right. That's what I found very interesting is they're going to see the clubhouse and be like, oh, that's where he is in both any edge. Put the picture up. It's like the first pictures, just like whatever hole it was like their whole like Darius. That's like, that's just what I have to say. So Shinnecock you know, the first time that I was ever there was when we did the mulligan challenge with Dave, and I had been all jacked up for weeks leading up to this because we had two spots in the US open media day. Thanks to our close personal friend USGA. We had two spots in there. It was all set up as a Monday. We're gonna play Shikoku to be able to talk about it three weeks before the US open. I'd never even seen the place that never been there. Couldn't wait and we got there and like the day before I was the US j. caught wind of the Morgan thing, Dave hijacked the whole day, which to be honest, we ended up being like the best thing that's ever happened to four. Blake got credential, US loved us. We use the US j. relationship and showcased how well it went to get credential to the PJ and the Ryder Cup, so it couldn't have gone better. But in that moment on that Monday, when I realized like a whole end of the thing to holes into thing, I'm trying to hit an approach shot from like one forty. I look up and the flag sticks out. There's one hundred golf balls on the green five cameramen Dave's Aaj running around the house. Like I just can't. Fuck. I cannot play the golf course. I just can't play golf course here I am at should've Cox. Bosa play cock can't play shuttlecock. So a couple of people that were up there that we became really good friends with were like, look, I know this sucks for you when it gets you back out in the fall in the course dies down while bomb. So I cashed it on that ticket. Shinnecock is seeing it without all the tents. Bullshit. It was a different place was spectacular. It is. Is the best golf course I've ever played. It's not that's different than my favorite. My favorite is still Cabot cliffs, but it is the best golf course I've ever played from an architectural standpoint from simplicity, doesn't rely on these crutches or like views or anything. I love us and all that stuff, but it doesn't rely on any of that stuff. It's just built so perfectly like that. Dark like dark Brown Shinnecock fescue only look that it has that only Shinnecock looks like that just makes it stand out in all of that with the club houses. Just constantly in the background like the clubhouses like the north star and it just that every point on the golf course, you can see it. All of that how open it is an expansive older runoffs around the green like people gotta. Remember there's like no rough, really around the greens, like your ball just catches on slope like you put it like three feet past the pin. You're going to have a three footer coming up the hill. You've got like forty feet and you have a chip over a bunker apologised caught a fucking slow, so so. So playing it experiencing it in in its pure form was one of the coolest experiences of mine tire life that plays. Now I can see why Greg Norman the shark said on Thursday show that I was like, what's what's your favorite golf course in the world? There's three of them in Shinnecock was one of those three s crazy completely make sense now play not good, not good. So what tease did you play for? So a lot of people chirp me about this on my Instagram that shirt me for playing the red tease, look dumber people. The red teas are the tips they're. Oh, so there's the, there's the, there's the open teas, and then the one t's closer to that, which of the club tips are the red teeth. So we played sixty nine forty as what it was. Nice fairness, pretty deep, hush. I eighty five. Oh, and it was I had dude. It was the weirdest round of golf. I had like thirteen just tap in bogies is like every hole tapping in for bogey at one double on the. Eleven th hole. I hit it. That's the one the the part three ever be. That's their big lines. Open, shortest par par-five in America. They always say it, and I made five. Hit in that front. Bunker hit a great bunker shot out of there to like twenty feet above the whole front, right pin of it off the green into the rough. So that's the one that was by our radio with the with just a fucking crazy. That's where Phil. Yup. That's just like Razi town Il just like disrespected the rules on that whole? No, that was on that was on fourteen now that was thirteen. Okay. But that was on the other side of where you're talking shooting it up? Yup, you hit it up hill. It's like one fifty, five. I had an eight iron that came up like a foot short to this. Like we're all look like that looks really good, and it was the kind of bounds Irwin. Oh, in about straight backwards in one of those huge bunkers again, hit a great bunker shot had like twenty feet down the hill for pars all jacked up. I'm gonna. I'm gonna talk and beat this whole. Let's go piloted into the rough legit off the green got up and down for their for double. So I had one double. I had probably fourteen bogies a double in like three or four parts that were. That's not that bad of a day from the, you know the club tips it. Honestly, I shot my titles 'cause I drove the ball great. I just was struggling to like hit just to hit greens. And when you're missed greens air, it's like, yeah, what can you do? Yeah, barely putting off course. So I I would have on a tunnel holes. I had like twenty five feet for bar as lagging up, their closed tap in bogey, wrapped in for bogey million times. So anyways, Shinnecock fantastic. Read tease you guys are idiots. Sherpa me dumped. You. Look. You must feel like idiots. I have my own hole in Scotland. I saw what is this? Yeah, some guy emailed me and he's like, you have a whole with your name on it. It's Largs golf course on the west coast of Scotland. It's a the thirteenth hole three hundred eighty two yard par four and it's named Riggs. The guy had a series of the boys flag to offer the odds at like the guy's playing that whole a huge bar. So fan knows enough to like be go rigs and like combined with you. And then he happens to have just are merch, I'll storm. So one. Another guy was tweeting at me and was like, dude, I live like twenty minutes away from that course. I've played it one hundred dollars. I never knew it said rig. Yeah. So anyways, got my own hole if you ever played Largs l. a. r. g. s. but you're going to get a lot more pictures now because a lot of people probably just went right by new idea because who reads like the whole us, look if there's like a picture maybe and then you just buzz right bought, you'd never see it. Actually, when he sent me the picture, even see it. I looked at a picture like thirty seconds the boys. That's good, right? But he's like, it's named after you like, I don't. That means that eventually I saw rigs right in the middle of the picture. So that was cool. Like lar Largs is the town Largs. Really? Yeah, rot. Largs is Bri the golf course to true because you're not uncommon like have a town golf course in the town to Carson named after the town, like Bethpage Black thirty goats in Bethpage new right kerryon kerryon Largs golf club. You act like you're like, you're like telling me I was wrong. 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I think the reports were out of DJ and Brooks, but like not all of them, they're like, maybe there was a toss Abbas kind of it. And then I, I was at the airport in France, still, excuse me. You guys were here that were that was legit over a week ago that that will happen threat. We haven't spoken about any of it sense. I don't even know where it really begin with this star, the gym furic interview. I watched this whole thing today. Jim furic did a big sit down with Tim Rosa fort of golf channel. First of all channels website in terms of the video is one of the hardest things navigate in the history of the internet. They have one of those weird video players, right? That's I hate those things. I really do to navigate psycho proprietary video player thing, and it just, you know, it's one of those where like the ad read plays like three times before I can see a video and then and then when you finally get to it, it's like a two minute and eight seconds lip and you're like, okay, so it was just give you the raw footage on on YouTube or something right? Or let me watch like one little add the beginning, and then I should be good after that. Let me coast after that. Now it was a war of trying to get it and they had to kept scrolling through their player thing in it was like if they had like ten different two minute clips. So I spent, I probably spent half my day to day watching golf channel ads. Keeping their lights on for, oh, man, it was a battle. I started tweeting them out and then a couple of their writers dmt me the link to the full thing. So I tweeted that one out so people should be able to find it. Jim furic, full interview. It was done in a way like there was just a tragedy struck, and it's now been a week since the tragedy and they're, you know, kind of breaking down second up the pieces. Yeah, that's kind of how it came off your. It's like it was almost weird in that sense. My main takeaway from this thing is, Jim furic does not have a brain like he. I like Jim Feerick. I've always been Jim Feerick fan. He doesn't have a brain like they're asking them. One of the questions he asked him about the team and all that, and his quote was I'd still take those twelve guys into the fire any day on any golf course. So I can understand that answer because he doesn't want to ruffle any feathers, but that's not true. That's not the real answer. He's either being disingenuous or he doesn't have a brand. He's being disingenuous. He has to. Because one of his other answers they asked him. What was your biggest concern going? And he said the golf course, and then it was spoken about leading up to it about the golf course. Brandel Chamblee on this very show talked about the golf course with people. Don't understand how tight and narrow it is. If you cannot miss fairways you're fucked. If you do then during the whole tournament, we couldn't hit fairways and we sucked. We weren't even close and then afterwards everyone's like, well, he picked Phil Mickelson Phil Mickelson literally in the two thousand seventeen two thousand eighteen PGA tour season. There were one hundred ninety. Three players who stats. They Cup for driving accuracy. Phil was one hundred ninety. Second out of one hundred. Ninety three. Do we know who number one hundred ninety three with Ricky Barnes plow Rikki Rikki Barnes, Phil Mickelson and then everyone. Everyone else. It's not a good combo. So you're telling me you're telling me watched all that Jim Feerick the whole thing. And then your takeaway was like, I've just run it again. If we ran that same event again with the same twelve guys against their twelve guys, we would lose a hundred times. I would like look. At the twelve guys. If I was fear, can I gotta do over? And I would take the opposite of all of those twelve guys because they just the ones that he picked the hundred ninety two hundred one ninety. Three is a perfect example of a guy. You should not pick if you're that concerned about the golf course completely like those two things. Jim furic just do not make sense. So his interview was just pissing me off sitting over there my desk fuming as like, what is he talking about that he watch what happened? I watch what happened. We're missing fairways left and right. And then one of your four cabins picks was a guy who's the one the the second worst player hitting fairways in the world basically. And this is the guy that you chose out of your forecast. It's tiger you had to pick Bryson d Shambo you had to pick. He had just won two in a row and Tony fee now played great during so fine. You could say those three fine. You had to take those three. Phil Mickelson people were questioning beforehand being like he doesn't have a great a Cup record. He's been playing like dog shit ever since he won in Mexico earlier in the year, and he's old. He's forty eight and he doesn't hit the ball straight. Not only does not head straight. He's the. Second most crooked guy of the PG twice. Statistically like the worst driver. The only guy worse is Ricky fucking Barnes. That's who's one Ricky bars is now part of this conversation to talk about RIC what back Ricky Barnes gets brought up in any sort of capacity like that. We're that we're comparing Ricky Barnes to anyone and the fact that it's Phil Mickelson and the fact that it's the Ryder Cup. That's not a good. Some of the things tells you about Jim furic is that he just has no balls like he saw the evidence. Jiffy oracle, he saw the evidence of what the course is going to be what Phil Mickelson was, and he made the pig because we were like, oh, tiger and Phil played on the Ryder Cup. That's cool, correct. One hundred percents where you can't do and his whole answer when Roosevelt pushed him about Phil and people. Second guessing he ever Gretz or anything like that, and it's all answer in justifying. The Phil pick was he was like, people have to understand that Phil brings so much to the team and the team room, and he went on and told this anecdote about how Saturday afternoon when Phil had to sit how he was out there ruin the guys on. Phil can do that as an assistant captain enough. Fucking Gulf card in like a winter hat and those gloves on that he's wearing. It doesn't need to be playing in like, what are you talking about? Jim Feerick. So I was losing my mind. I was fuming watching this thing like, I don't mind that we lost an admitting that your strategy and your captain's picks or whatever were flawed and that there's ways to change it. Would I mind is him sitting there being like, yeah, no, we totally knew the golf course right concern. We picked the wrong guys, but we would definitely run it back, you know, get killed if we read it, but those are two too many different things to be like I had the strategy going into it, and that's how I was gonna pick my picks. And then I'm like, Phil Mickelson off the board. That's crazy, and it was the buddy buddy stuff so that that part of the interview drove me crazy. Now the other parts, and there's a ton that kinda get into it with him about all of the different drama. Brooks CAPCO Dustin Johnson. So kept came out at the Dunhill links, which is one of maybe the MO, the single most. I think I saw shame bake tweeting us and he's right. The single most underrated golf tournament in the world is the Dunhill links where they play the old course kings Barnes and Carnoustie, and then they do the final round at the old course at Saint Andrews on Sunday. It's hard for us because we're obviously in the US it's football season in the key in the fight and all that this weekend. So it's like, what am I going to get up at six AM on Saturday and Sunday and watch golf. No, I didn't. I was hung over. I slept in, but I watched. The highlights is very cool. But anyways, Brooks CAPCO was at the the Dunhill links like a day after all these rumors are going out that him DJ basically came to fistfights over Paulina Gretzky, which is how golf digest painted it. Yeah, they, they really, they snuck down one in there. I wasn't willing to go there when I blocked about the Brooks and dozen thing, but they golfed. I just were like, Paulina was at the center of it and I couldn't decide, and this is the reason why they did it if they. Meant she was physically in the middle of it, like trying to break it up or she was the reason they were fighting credit. It's still unclear credit to them having the balls to just be I, we're gonna get listened a threesome clicks. Basically, we are in the click and I'm mad that I didn't think about it. Yeah, genius move by them because they didn't. I don't think they overstepped in a way that like that party the the party of DJ in Brooks could be mad at them, right? But they did get those clicks and they did make you you. When you looked at the headline, you were like it literally said, like DJ Paulina Brooks Kapka separated at parties. I was like, wait, are they were like dozen Johnson getting the fight and Paulina Gretzky at the center of it. Like what I mean? We cover golf for a living, and I knew all the details that were in that piece and I still click on it like five times what happened in here, what is going on. So and they did a great job of that Brooks cab cook came out and just adamantly denied everything is there was no confrontation. I don't know what we're talking about is actually text with DJ today, like were best buddies all. That stuff, then Jim Feerick reaction to it was because I guess the their other reports came out that the two of them got into it a little bit on the plane over there and that then they got into this. This almost came to blows in the European locker room on Sunday night after the tournament concluded. So all these reports are going on. I think it's pretty simple that these guys are indeed like best buddies. I think they were boozing it up and prod got into it over something really stupid. And then Jim furic said that the two of them even gotten a cab afterwards, like went out that was his quote, went out together. People don't seem to think that like best friends or very close friends can fight like I would actually argue that that happens more often between good friends than someone at a bar like that just happened if you're uncomfortable, if you're not gonna, like confront evaluating, make fucked back. I'm never talking like what a loser, that guy like that guy. He's not my friend, my friend. Are you a fucking getting face in idiot, you're not going to back out right? And you get these to meet has neither one of them's going to back down from each other chance. Next thing, you know, they're almost fighting and killing each other in the team room. There was a part of me that in the article that I originally came out, it said that this happened in the European locker room. I thought maybe some European snake may or may not be Poulter like got in reporters. Ear was like, I saw Dustin and Cup ca fighting just so mean a little bit more. You know, a little bit more trouble in the United States, locker room. I wouldn't hate that because this is after the Patrick read and Jordan speech stuff. So maybe they were like that might as well throw some gasoline on the fire or did that credit to him. Smart MU. Yeah. I'm just saying that's conspiracy theory endorse law walking away from the like the gas station like the and the the flames. Just go behind you. That's just like a movie scene. That's what Paul Poulter walkaway and his visor. Like laughing. Yeah, his spiked hair. I agree though. I think something definitely probably happened, but it's what I think it wasn't a big deal. Right? Like they were. They were painting it as something happened as basically a culmination. And a representation of the entire United States team, and it was hard not to fall into that because like you said, we had the read speed stuff going on. Justin read that fucking lunatic was like firing person, fire and missiles off on Twitter, talking to the New York Times. It was crazy, see that video that went viral of the girlfriend that keyed the guy's car. Yes. Yup. And she just like maniacally laughs and she's like, I don't care anymore. I don't care. I don't care runs after him. That's exactly the guy. Just the guy heals your, you're kidnapping, you're kidnapping me. That's just the. That's what she does. The Patrick. She, she blocks him in. He can't get out of the car and she just tells them what he's gonna do today. Yes, I think that's correct. I have formulated a the the same theory, but even to in more extreme degree that I actually don't think. I think Patrick Reid is incredibly more normal than anybody gives them credit for. I just think that she operates his entire life and his movements and is the puppet master and their Westworld has his laptop yacht open. And she just tells him exactly what kind of emotions he can have and what exactly. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to because I look at a guy like Patrick read, and I think he should. He's just like a normal dopey guy like he, I don't think he's very controversial and he shouldn't be, but he's got, you know, just seen behind the scenes kinda pull in the strip. Yeah, and he, you know, he's kind of a victim too of like the way that he looks. He's got kind of Dushi look to him. You know what I mean? Just like that. Look, he's cocky. So who else has that? Do she looked that we just can't explain. Yeah, I know what you can say show by disagree. Will you kind of just went into like a little spider trap there and you can't trap me your Mr.. You trap your cell phone? I always do kinda just like, explain why we always say, we hate Bryson. You're like, you could get you say you hate Bryson. You have to have a reason and he's always cool and he's different. And I just said like, he just looks like a douchebag and you're like, well, it doesn't really make sense. But if look, if yet was your big thing where you were like, I'm going to hang my whole thing on the fact that he just don't like it certainly start. That's fine. But I've argued this with you before that your, hey. And you've tried to get out of it being like, no, I don't just hate Bryson. There are legitimate reasons to, and I've been like, no other now you just ate price and, but what goes into the whole science thing. And I think it's part of his brand and he knows it, but I'm just saying it all started at the route with like, has his hat. We're not going to have to do the whole thing, but I just wanted to let you know that you were creeping on the edge of may be coming over to our side. All I'm saying is that there are people out there that do not like Patrick green largely because of just the way that he looks. He just comes off with like a Dushi. Look, we have the whole top five comment. All of that just made him seem significantly more Dushi I think than he actually is. And then when you have the whole, Justin is actually the Westworld person programming him on how to interact with people and all that. It has fed to a very poor narrative. I have it on very good record from someone that I trust very, very, very well. Well, okay. Who spent six out of seven days with Patrick read during US open week, which I must note. I must note that Patrick reads wife got sick that week and was not around. Interesting, and I have it on very good record that week of the US open that a couple of different sources went in and they were like, look, we went in with this whole the same exact stereotypes and rumors, and everybody else had. We were like, this guy is going to be a douche there. He was the nicest guy in the world is said he was incredibly kind. He was polite. He was an open book talking about a lot of them at scandals and stuff that have like been written about over the last several years said that at the driving range, he was the only player on Sunday when us preparing for the final round member. He was like in contention on Sunday at the US Open that he well, maybe Saturday, you shoot himself out Saturday. He's playing pretty well. These open and on Sunday on the driving range. He was the only guy who win couple of guys that were working in the range walked by him. He took his headphones out and was like, hey, guys. I want to say you guys have done a phenomenal job this week. Thank you so much for the help and all of that. So I heard from multiple different folks. They had great things to say about Patrick read. I don't think it's. Coincidental that what's her name was not around. And so that kind of lends itself to my whole theory. And I think that Frankie was saying it too. It's like she's just got the Westworld thing going on. There's not much he can do about it. That's just what is world is nice. Everyone kind of knows. I mean, I don't know, maybe not, but I have like a family friend like, and I feel like this is in every family group or friends group where like a wife or even a husband, it can go either way. But in my in my case, it's like a wife of a family just like controls every year. And it's. Super. Like just like gets in fights with the the rest of the family. And we'll like not talk to like sisters and brothers and like make the family not show up. And then you see the husband and he may be or the wife in any situation. But in my case and the husband, he looks like he's just like, you know, going along with it, but then like you, you see them at parties and stuff, and and there he's like the nicest guy in the world and you say like, God bless this man for dealing with this right? Like he's, he's like, they'll in scenario like this family would just like walk out of a party and like you'd see him just like pick up everything just fall. Following back. Sorry, we're gonna leave coming back from the curse. He's big. You have like all of the president. That's exactly. Yeah, everything all the leftover food, the bedrock, and he's thank you for having us. He's got nine hands worth of stuff in two hands and he's carrying out of their kids are getting thrown out of the house. Like she's like, just pulling everyone the credit. We don't need this situation. I listen, it's it's, I don't know. This is just what happens every year. So, and I've seen it at, it's been, it can be. The husband can be the crazy while s wife could be the crazy one, what you're right. Everybody's seen that situation with a couple, whatever. This just feels issues feels like one of those way too. He's getting dragged whichever way you want to say they drank. He's getting dragged too much in getting connected to much like his spouse. Like this is Patrick Reid. He's the golfer, he's the guy who has the mic in front of him. He's the guy who has the golf club in his hand. Why are we? Why is he letting this happen? I don't know, but it's gone way too far. It's also it's tough because he did win the masters this year. So it's like, and then she wore like that ski off it. Yeah. Maybe he needs like a crazy. You got the win, so right. So maybe I don't know, but it is. It is tough. I was because I was I was at the bar Saturday night, talked with a couple of buddies about this, relaying this information and the buddies were like God damn it. I really didn't like they're really thought we were over the hill now that we could hate Patrick read. But again, I gotta go off what a year. It does sound like, you know the type of situation we're describing. So we'll see what happens. However, we're here for you. Patrick airs. You need any Patrick and we'd love to have you on the show on my guard up. I'm no, I agree with you. We're not like all in, but just I'm trying to present the information. That's that's fair. That's very Fairview. Fi withheld that information. I don't think that would be fair to Patrick read enough. So I did not withhold the information. I did notice that he I went through somebody pointed out that he one of the tweets that he liked on Twitter. He's only liked in the last like three weeks. He'd liked like one tweet and it was a tweet that said, Sergio had the worst form of anyone played four matches in one three. He lives for Ryder cut reach should have played all five match. Scrolling through Twitter's like this fat Dom. That's the one that won that guy. Nailed it. So we had, obviously the Patrick read or just sent him that like right now. Yeah, I just. Definitely has access to his Twitter. Thirteen. Twitter, you're definitely right. I don't think that she basically runs his Twitter account, then you're crazy. Smash you guys his dream, but one hundred percents downstairs like shooting pool and I came upstairs and it's just like, hey, like, why am I getting so many tweets about this? Like like that, then she's just like sitting there, live cross my mind. I would not be shocked. Patrick Reed doesn't even know. He has a Twitter, she's just on there and he has no idea. So it was it her that tweeted the thing about the tickets, the Red Sox game, you think she definitely motivated it. Oh, are you kidding me? Of course, I bet she tweeted the whole. He's he's not even a person at this point. We don't have anything strike you as a guy who like, I don't like, I don't care where we said. That's how he strikes me. But now with all this stuff, she definitely was like, I can't believe these seats. I can't believe the way they're. I mean his last tweet. Well, no, there's one that's very I. It's just looking forward to a great week the courses in great shape tour championship. But then the last one is that tweet like she, she has that just front and center. Thank you to the PGA tour for tickets and the Red Sox game tonight. I love how you put my wife. So that's the first line. I love how you put my way. Was myself in the lie in the line drive section, we paid six hundred fifty dollars end up in the same section as the rest of the tour hashtag front row and like she's the one taking the picture selfie. That's her tweet. Patrick Reid, if you if you look at the tweet, I mean he has no idea. He's happy as can be. She's like, hey, babe. Let's take a self, takes the self guys. A great time of the SOX. Ballparks my buddies on the tour is wearing the Ryder Cup. Garrett drinks it so much more whole plan. There is so much more TS like Patrick, we got it free patchy ventriloquist Dolon she's just talking for him and tweet, man. We gotta find a way to free that man, poor guy, Jesus Christ as bad as we think it is. It'll it'll end ugly, she a hundred or so he doesn't even know about the PGA tour ticket thing. He doesn't even know that existed. So he's getting probably getting asked these questions. He's like, I don't know because talking about great. What is it tweet? I don't know what any of this stuff is. Four, Patrick, we really. I mean, if you listen to early episodes of this podcast, we probably do not treat Patrick read all that. Well, have you listened now? It is. We finally figured out what's going on, but we feel bad for him it again. It's not like he's the single most likable guy in the world, but I don't know that he's as bad as he's being painted to be in. These got the, I don't wanna take this too far, but we were all shocked when he went to the New York Times after the Ryder Cup instead of bringing something up. I would imagine just maybe like, let's talk to this New York Times reporters. See that's going on. Definitely. I mean, she runs the show. He just does what he's like. Let me just play golf at place, all the win. I want to be top five. I wanna to win made. That's it. Like I wanna play with tiger tiger's my body. I wanted to play with them in like who wouldn't wanna play tiger in the in the Ryder Cup, which were Jim furic said because he was asked about the whole splitting up j. are splitting up, speak and read, and he said, look, that was that decision was made weeks ago. Those guys knew that they were going off. He said it was to the point where he had messages with Patrick read from like weeks beforehand about like which time slot. Tiger and Patrick. We're going to go off of go off in terms of times like they all knew they're playing together. I again, it's almost like Patrick reads, probably like one of the boys and all that. And then meanwhile, like as all this is going on, he's got just just sewer again behind the scenes. He's like what the hell is going on here. So so Feerick did say that he said that he made some interesting comments. He said, basically that if tiger didn't make the team, then Patrick Reed and Jordan speeds would have stayed together. However, since tiger made the team, it made way more sense if he split up speed and read that instead of having one really good team, he would have to really good teams is kind of the way that he described the whole thing. It is hard to knock that whole decision because JT dominated, right, right. Fifty percent and tiger just wasn't the same guy. He was literally five days before that. And Patrick Reed was not the guy that he's been in the Ryder Cup or that he was at the masters, not even close. So I think. I think Feerick did get a little bit just unlucky on that one. And you know it is hard after the guys struggle to just abandon them on day two and be like, we're going to totally blow up the whole teams. Now, in hindsight, that would have worked way better than whatever the hell they ended up doing. So those were his comments on that. Again, you can check out the full interview on golf channel. You've still got Ryder Cup, fever and whatnot, but it's it's interesting. It couldn't have possibly gone worse, really. And it's funny because Jim fury communities, he's talking about it afterwards and it's like this guy spent. This is spent literally two years basically like preparing for the Ryder Cup, getting his team ready. The captain's picks gets so scrutinized, the pairings, what are you going to do all this stuff, the fallout and all that. It could not have gone worse. No more like responding. Like he's incompetent of doing anything like me. I'm said he hadn't didn't have a brain. I'm he might not have a bright like I was sitting over there fuming at my desk. Someone put him through coaching school and he just can't handle it. Right. Like he was like the type of reaction and the answers to give. Everything's very just. Yeah, like I would go out, put these guys in the fire any day of the week. Any golf course. Like dude, we need some transparency here. We need you to be able to be a little bit more genuine when the entire country got embarrassed. And you know over, you're not going to be the captain again, like burn every bridge. If you were burning bridges, just be like we fucking sucked in like, this is what we could have done better, like you were saying in the beginning, like it's just insane to just do this PR one. Oh, one bullshit and say, yeah, I'd take the same guys and this is all our team. We're gonna go hand in hand insane. It's, I mean he told a story that Phil was out hitting balls on Friday morning when he didn't get put out there and he didn't get out of there very morning because he'd been playing so poorly and that he was like, I had heard. Rumors from good sources that were with Phil, that they saw some stuff that they liked from fill. So we decided to go with them in the alternate shot in the afternoon, which is a format where if one guy struggling at all, you're fucked. It's alternate shot and they were down seven down through nine holes. Yup, seven down. He put him with a rookie Bryson and the two of them stunk and boom, they're seven down. So it's like, how can you defend that type of decision? How do you defend this Catholics? Pick of a guy that you played in one out of the four. Times when you can sit the guy and the only reason you put them in is because like somebody told you out of the driver, just tell them hit a good shot or something like that, and then you put them any seven down. So to whole thing is driving me. Crazy, Ryder cups driving me crazy. I love it though. I love all the drama afterwards. It's great. It's awesome. It's so good. I wish you know what they need to do like try your big Batra guy. Yeah, they do like after the final rose, they need to do that for the rider. They give it one week off and then sit everybody down in a room that. I mean, that's the best idea you've ever had thank you. They should sit the whole team down in one room and they just and then they bring like two of like, right. They bring like Patrick, read and speak up together or something and sit them down and Chris Harrison, ask him questions. Yes, interesting. Comes in and destroy, Chris. We're going to bring on a surprise guest, just steam. With like the stone cold, Steve Austin? Yes. Good. They definitely have to do that with all the drinks and everybody the shot would be. They're showing the bottom of the limousine and all their feet or coming out. Right. And it's clearly all men, right? Like it's all their pants suits and their shoes. And then at the end, it's just one like woman's foot and it's a red, he'll and it's like that's coming next. I just know who's coming man. You gotta Paulina come out. You can do it all. Could you imagine Chris Harrison pulling up the tweets from Justin, like be like? So you said during the singles matches us like the music and to Packer out, and they've got the always the live studio audience in their reactions. It'd be real that should be that's going forward. That should be an obligation. If you agree to play in the Ryder Cup team, you sign this whole thing. And then part of it is a one week afterwards. So like the Sunday night out towards primetime TV on golf channel NBC or whatever. You sit all twelve guys down from the losing team only and they just Chris Harrison gets biggest per like the biggest one there would be tie a tie would just be there who knows what would have. All right. Tiger you played like shit all week and Chris Harrison's just grill. And how frustrating were you win? Patrick read shot eighty-seven on Saturday morning and just here, and then Chris hairs hands. The microphone. You got to do that. So anyways, Ryder cups over. We don't get another one for two years, which is just devastating. We have to live with this the Europeans how much better they are than we are. All of that stuff is just purely brutal. Phil Mickelson, fuck Phil Mickelson with a t seventeen of the Safeway this year or this week. He was tied for the lead to routes you talion farm really well, hosted seven under on Thursday, like couple of days after he literally couldn't keep the golf ball in France, and then he shoots seven under at the Safeway ends up, finishing t, Sabatini faded over the weekend, but that just made me that just was infuriating. He went out of his way to talk about the golf course. He said, the fact is they had brutal rough. This is him talking about the Ryder Cup almost unplayable and it's not the way I play. I don't play like that here. The Safeway can miss the fairways. I can get shots out of the rough up on the green and it's playable and I'm forty. I'm not going to play tournaments with rough like that. That meaning the Ryder Cup course anymore. It's. A waste of my time. I'm going to play courses that are playable then I could play aggressive attack. You making a lot of birdies style golf. I like to black. Okay. I guess we're not seeing you Bethpage Jim furic had all that information every bit Iraq. Nothing changed, correct. Nothing changed and he was still like, that's my mean, I don't play like that. It's the golf course. What are you talking about? I don't play like that is what's so infuriating like you tell me Jim Feerick your quote is I would take these twelve guys into the fire again to disguise saying there's going to be in the fire, the fire, what's to be in the fucking water, nice water against fire, water, and in the water, then he shook Monae sand. It was over. He's the literally lives in the law. Hey, we kind of. The cuff. So frustrates the the writing was on the wall. Dude. The guy was not supposed to be, you know, I would love. I don't. I want Jim Feerick to read that Phil Mickelson quote, and then I want to see what Jim Feerick says. Yeah, this'll be the Chris Harrison. We Chris Harrison read through them one hundred percent, yeah. Would you still take those twelve guys into the felt says, I don't play like that, and I only played tournaments where I don't have to play courses like that. So it's incredibly frustrating. The whole thing is driving me crazy this. It's just a whistling straights next whistling cool. And they're going to people are people worship dumb. People were tweeting us like it's only going to be worse. It whistling straights. I've seen the PJ's there and stuff like that. Do they just cut all the rough down day of? Have you ever heard of a lawnmower? You morons the cut the whole thing down on US soil. We're going to figure this shit out, right the base the whole course. You're going to be fair way. Basically. They're going gonna cut the whole thing down. So it's basically just fairway and hopefully we should be good to go to be up on Lake Michigan. It's going to be beautiful all the stuff. We've got two years out still. So we'll see. We're at that point to see Phil play the PGA Bethpage where he says he. Doesn't like the play thick rough anymore. So I think it's rough ever you little. He's not gonna be by the, he's not. He doesn't play like that anymore. He might not even show, oh, he said that three days after the Ryder Cup after whatever whole thing's driving me crazy. I'm so out on Phil right now. It's I was at stunning how quickly we're all out on Phil and it's I mean, rightfully so you kind of think that this Tiger Woods Phil matchups going to be kind of like whatever he and shit, and now it's the hype is way down way down. Nothing has lost its hype quicker than this thing lost the Tigers are fire enough real corny tweets. Yeah, that's coming. How did this happen? We also jacked up a lot jacked up after the tiger win. Then he played like shit. We need like Chevy honest Tiger Woods yet. I know we like to, you know, say every great thing about him. He played horrible. We were. We owned up to that when we talked about the terrible. But you know, he, he, he's holding his end of the bargain with like getting the hype up. He's playing well, he won a goddamn tournament. You know if. Phil was in the mix and fill like finished, you know, t- stike to when tiger Juan fill like the Ryder cups. One thing like the Ryder Cup, they sucked at, but like Phil was just playing good golf right now and tiger and they were both just like lowering into that matchup. That would be great and tiger is roaring into that match up. I don't take the writer capacity room and it's it's like a weird way to vent Tigers played terrible at the Ryder Cup when he was just the most dominating golfer of all time. Like it doesn't take it is from fills blowing Bill is blowing this match of like funny funny tweets can get him everything. You just said this whole quote, and he just had just makes me think that Phil doesn't want to play golf anymore, and we're going to just wash them play for ten million dollars. It is funny. It's like none of the the US open stuff didn't bother me. I still love to fill some of the weird stuff after we got another penalty for the for like brushing the grass downs club, none of that bothered me. This him play like shoot at the Ryder Cup and then like ads and like, oh yeah, of course I played like show like I don't play those kinds of golf courses like you were picked to play that golf course over a bunch of other. Phenomenal players like Kevin Kisner, Zander Shaath lead all these guys who were like younger Studly player. You like John Bryant. Gay has a seventy percent accuracy on the draw off the tee. I'd think I'd rather have him. I mean, there's one hundred ninety one other random and driving a golf ball, CT pan way, higher way air. He's in thirteen who who was Brennan Chamblee's pick Kyle Stanley house. That's who he wanted Br. I mean, we love Brandel, but he, we always talk about how much we love him. He could not have been more correct. Shoddy Brando who we, we love brand-new. He's one of our bodies that guy lives for I told you so moments. This was this whole last week has been the biggest. I told you. So in the history, he's talking about the course amount how Americans we're gonna play well in it nailed that. And he was like if they had picked Kyle Stanley, they would have been. I mean, they would have been vied luck in Brandel sitting up there on the set with his hair like flowing in the wind and his suits just with the biggest like I told you so smirk on his face. I definitely like chocolate. Oh yeah. He probably did it live on air on Gulf to just started drowning people in statistics about how correct he was about everything he deserved. He was absolutely correct. So anyways, that's the right a Cup. If a storm takes out your power, simply safe is ready and intruder cut your phone line, which hopefully doesn't happen. SimpliSafe is ready. Say they destroy your keypad or sirens simply safe will still get you the help that you need out. None of those things that if an intruder cuts your phone line. I'm glad you better hope you have simply safe. You better have something. Even reading that out loud that is terrifying scares thing that has ever been sending the studio in and cuts your phone line. Storms happen that can happen then right to if an intruder cuts your phone line who wrote that in the ad. Copy on that is gonna hopefully motivate some people to get simply saving, say you better hope to God that you have simply safe. 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Safeway open, solid trophy though this is a big old barrel Donkey Kong barrel who won the Safeway last year. Fuck trying to remember who it was last year because I remember I blog. I don't think the only thing I blog about the subway Oba was like. Have you seen the trophy of the Safeway open? Just a barrel. Loves us an awesome barrel. So I do like that one. One thing of note branch net occur was in the mix him and Ryan more loss in a playoff, Brendan Steele. He want it so looks like, yeah, yeah. Okay. I think I blog that picture off to find that pictures great Bishop barrels of bigger than he was branch net occur finished he to. He kinda should have won the whole thing kind of blew rattled, but he's big Peter Malar guy always in the mix that Brenston ticker is he wasn't. He was my cookie, cutter guy. Yeah, he is just always. We call them like a big old babe. I called him milk and cottage cheese. Did you? Yeah. Jeez, that's not like a disc that's just like I when I think of brands, Medicare, I think of cottage cheese. All right. Okay. That's fair. Just like, you know, not all that much flavor. Yeah, just kind of, I think. I think of the babies on the like the moist, wipes boxes. Interesting. Yeah, let's let's add insult. You just have that because he cried at Augusta times. Yeah, just everything about his face every time he makes a pot at Augusta. He cries. Yeah, it's just like a scrunchy baby face with a lot of hair, like on the five year olds and have a nice luscious hair. He's like the Johnson and Johnson shampoo commercials, where the goes in there, don't let it get in there is that's him. That's him. Has brand soccer. Well, regardless, he's a peachable, our guy so it looks good. Bye doesn't looks great. He looked so good out there. I was Keyser gears amazing the best. So that was the Safeway opened. Again, it's fall off where I mean, we're so not into this type of golf that were not even doing two shows a week. That's just worse, whatever the stuffs again, you can't hit me with all the tournaments that you've been hit me with and then give me all Jack McGregor. Guinness face Beata in and he got you got all kinds of football's back hockey back all that stuff like we are obsessed with golf. We go nuts for golf, all wind rather. Senator how Foale you'd rather play than watch. I got my pupil all gear on. I got my titles clubs in my hands right now and like a lot of these tournaments, all these big events like on Saturdays and Sundays we have to be were inside watching glued to the television because Tigers in the mix or the Ryder Cup choices are coming down. Captain's picks coming out whatever. Now the let Lucille golf. So Safeway open. Sorry, buddy. CCA later were more playing outside that he did. Yeah, care more in sync. Shout to the barrow as in sync as you guys tearing my heart. 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It's a nightstand. I haven't gotten around to the entertainment center. Just brought it in yesterday. Hasn't hasn't happened yet. I haven't even taken the entertainment center. I haven't tackled that problem. Have TV on the floor I now and the first thing I did. I I shouldn't you guys not. We got our wifi out. We got an internet running hooking up by the way. I I, I've ever gone cable this. I'm like, I'm doing this new streaming service is the whole thing's just on new world for me right now, you are going your quarter cutter, mcchord cutter, so they call it. It works. No, I dig that court. Cut channel. Twenty-one popular. You need like cease. No, I get the theory, but I've always thought that was just in the future. I know where you're there. Oh, where. I use a no free TV. Okay. Well, I use another one, but we won't let me say this. I so I think the sensors, three of us have two roommates were a little bit more willing to pay the cable, but sure get to split it three ways. Well, here's the other thing. I have three roommates with four of us in a nice apartment and the streaming services only forty bucks. So it's ten dollars a mama, and we get every single channel. Really? Yeah. And you just watch you hit your favorite teams and it's just like a menu of when they're flying and you just click on it like I just click on. HBO Showtime, cancel. I'm gonna cancel right now. Cancel the longtime didn't cut. My cut. The cord was because of DVR because you need that as a blogger, but I got the streaming services. Now working in the menu, what am I doing then you show pictures of the show. So like you just scroll through CU. It looks inviting you like I like watching like modern family. I never watched my. I'm still on the guide system from the nineteen ninety four. You gotta cut that cord. Probably the page button scroll brutal dinosaur. Do you know me and bad channels? I go through before I get to a good one. It's page for like hundreds of channels. This is essentially like how your phone has just apps like I can just click off. Challenges comes up on my. I have I go. I'm not going to give me more, but I have one of the streaming things that I can just hooked up into my each DM I and I'm good to go anyway. Here's both court covers. And the first thing I did was hooked up the wildfire. And the second thing I did in my brand new New York City apartment, and I am not just I mean, yeah, this is exactly what it did. I, I hooked him. I play station for I updated. I hadn't. I needed a. It was an hour update. I hadn't updated my PlayStation a longtime. Okay. I downloaded the new game, the new. What is it called? The golf club. Twenty nineteen. Yep. To t g see, that's where this came after me building my nightstand to own through all this shit, the streaming service change of life. So it's relaxed. I wanted to relax and play video game. I haven't played a video. I've often said that the demise of Tiger Woods for the last couple of years. The biggest problem that I've had side from, you know, he could have won all these things and been the greatest golfer, just typically of all time could've past Jack and since the and all that stuff is that we lost EA video games and the progression that like you know, mad and has gotten to NBA two k. and that company like they've gotten so realistic that tiger Wood's video games would have been on real talked about this. So I was so jacked up to play a nice relaxing game. I you start like in q. school, I made like this player. They bring you out to a driving range and like you start hitting and you feel like a million bucks. You're like this game, so realistic. And that may be the only problem I have is that it's too realistic you. It's fucking impossible. The game is in this video game, and I guess this is appealing to people is so realistic that you almost can't play it like you have a back swing and it tracks every motion, right? Here's tempo the way you're coming down on the ball like you can hit different types of shots. You can hit like a, you can hit like a chop chop down shot. If you just do that with the analog, you can hit a fade. If you just do it with the analog, you can hit a draw. But every time I went to make a swing, I just hit it out of bound. So I play Q-School and playing TPC Scottsdale, and I'm like, jacked up the first hole. I made a fourteen because like you just don't know what you're doing. Tread daddy. I'm telling ya. Yeah, it's so mind. The thing kept saying that my transition of the top was terrible. So I'm talking my guy literally couldn't hit the ball inbounds because they're telling me I'm pulling it back straight and all that. But I'm Russian from. My backstory into my downswing. So my guys a lot of sink and I like can't make contact the fucking golf ball. So I play with lurch in the game by the way the courses and like the all six on believable sick, like it's awesome, but it's impossible in fucking the only reason that I know the game is playable is because for some God forsaken reason, lurch, my roommate is like sick at it, isn't that good at all that weird shit, though. He's groping pong player. I don't know that PR hog is like you're good at the golf club. Twenty-ninth kills don't explain great at like, yeah, can control when he's plays what it was like. The first hole I'm talking. I literally made him switch controllers with me. I was so adamant that I was like, you don't understand minds on a different setting. Like I literally, I'm going straight back straight through straight back straight through straight Baxter. He threw out about every fucking like what is going on here. We switch controllers. He made barmaid like a twelve. He's control the butter knives in the video game. I couldn't hit a guy. It's real real, hit the word I couldn't get away. That's the most. Okay. Thank you think. All right. And also they always give you a wedge on the skirts of the green. Right? So you're just in the first cut and you're like, put this thing. They give you a little. They give you a nice little lob wedge. You're like, I just have to tap this thing. Just tap it and just tap, tap, tapping, and you do it, and it goes two inches, and then you take a full swing and you skull fuck it over the green. So there's really no getting around this thing and the the putting's impossible. But if there's anything I can sell for the video game, it's that it's not. It's so realistic that if you get good, it is fun to probably play against a buddy if you're both. Good because you can't like do any spin like Tiger Woods. Yeah. So you legitimately have to hit the ball perfectly to have any sort of backspin and I guess you have to progress your player to get the attributes. Yeah, to have backs. Like right now I'm like hitting the green and it's just rolling off and into the water. There's just nothing you can do. Yeah. And my guy to like I was able to what have I was so bad of this game lurch bet me heat. We are on the eighth tea and he goes, I will give you eighteen shots from here on it up at your ten bucks. I be and it was a, I barely won like. And the reason I one I was doing these half swings. My guy was driving at one eighty off the tee because the only way that I could not hit it out of bounce like if I tried to rip it, I, my transition socks in this game. I can't hit the call. Fuck it was bumping it down there and I had I had eighteen shots to work with. I bunting dollar bonding down there and I finally beat them, but I ll Jit, I beat them by like two jobs and maybe our fault. I think I may have put it on like regular or even like. So there was like extreme mode and then there was like hard and easy. I didn't put it on easy. I put it on regular or like hard, whatever it was. They don't show you where your backswing is when you're swinging only when you hit a practicing. So if there's anything that I would add to that, it's either I have to change the mode and go to an easier one, which I'm assuming shows you all have on the middle mode, and I think it shows everything. Okay. So I'm on a road where it's just like a blank screen, and you don't know where you're back swinging forward swings until you hit the ball. So there is some like imagine of racist plan on that mode. Yeah. I don't know. It's very, it's very knows this. Has you guys all sorts of this? It's hard day, but it's it is like golf. You're like working on your swing. It's there is there is something sexy about like playing with your body and like an eighty three win in grinding three eighty four win. Like we'd always put two thousand seven Tiger Woods and you could shoot up forty seven forty, seven forty, six at pebble around. Yeah, right. Yeah, the whole outbreak go a couple times every single shipping out into the fairway. I literally was a slice. I am. I was like, playing it safe. It was great the other. So there's a couple of beautiful aspects to it. One is there's unlimited golf courses. Yeah, like people you see, there's a big mode that people take very seriously. It's create your own golf course moat I like that. So and then you can just upload them to the internet and they're just up there forever. Beautiful. So the shittiest part about the ROY game that we don't talk about is that there's only like eight golf courses on the whole game and it ruins the whole. That was the worst thing that's ever happened. Avenue games, effort. And this is unlimited golf course. I'm talking. You can just scroll through the pages all day long. Zillow Monique there Omar. A lot of guys make like their own courses or like famous courses, they make their own version of and all that. So you can search him and find courses and play a bunch. Of course not potential the this is their first year that they integrated with the PGA up. And I noticed like to k, I think, has some sort of like their logo pops up, which I was stunned by. Yeah, I noticed that too. I don't know what's going on. Yeah. So to k. like I guess, has money into it and production. So I think that the future of this game is really bright because once they start if I can just like play with Tiger Woods in this which I know will never happen. But if I could start playing with any sort of player that would be you, I don't wanna play with myself. I'm gonna make Tiger Woods. True. I'm gonna do that tonight. I talk about like I hate it, but it's a dictating because now he's very better now I have to get better. It's awesome, but I just it's not fun yet because I suck up. Right. Like I can't tell you how my swing is the game like transition. It's like every transition stinks. It's like every single time every swing I make. I feel like the clown from happy gilmore's start laughing at it sucks. But I, I am going to go home and I'm gonna play my buddies. I think like I think we're gonna look back. Like a ninety. Two won the game. Yeah, let's do a week. And I actually even after my last round, I pulled up a couple of YouTube videos. People were telling me about it and stuff like that. So we need to do research, a low attribute level airside hair that we can't hit the ball far. My cousin like to sixty and like they don't have a smooth swing. You can get different swings on telling you. I know my guy too is like the most generic like original version player. He's got just like a generic red shirt, blue pants and black shoes and a black belt. John doubt. He's like right off the conveyor belt is like, that's my guy, and he just sucks it gone. So it's not over for back next week. I'm going to fire it up to get really frustrated. 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He's the one who asked the question, would you rather have tiger when the tour championship? But it guarantees a US loss and the Ryder Cup that we debated for a while. And then Frankie had like a big I told you so moment. After we lost the Ryder Cup, I remember this Brandel Chamblee ask. He basically submitted goes. So I gotta follow my question a couple of weeks ago about Taiwan's championship guarantee. You has cost us the Ryder Cup. Am I to blame? I feel horrible about the. I think he might be to blame the one wrinkle that we didn't have any original question is r. yeah, tiger it's the wind and that feels great. But then he absolutely shits. At the Ryder Cup and you don't feel as good right afterwards. It would be so much cooler if the Ryder Cup happened before the torch championship, yes, we'd be on cloud a billion right now tiger and we all still feel good about tiger. I would imagine, but you don't feel as good. I am great going on the record as saying, I'm I have no regrets about what happened. I will take the feeling that I had after Tiger Woods won completely surpassed the down feelings I had when USO when the US loss, and he played as bad as he did. Okay. I I agree, but I also ever felt more. Yeah, I, yeah, I never felt better. I felt more better than I did worse. And I think that you guys definitely felt that way too, but here's no, but here's, here's what I say. I don't feel as good now as I did Sunday night when tiger won championship about tire, same us. You're saying it didn't carry over like as long as you would think like your? Oh, I'm just saying, like from what I saw at the Ryder Cup it, it took a. Notch down, like my thoughts about how confident I am entire, like when he won the torch amo chip is like, holy, fuck you. Like he is back like he, he can do any the best player in the world. Again, he almost won the FedEx Cup. Here we go, and then he sucked at the radical players in the world sucks. Threat Cup, right? Like all those guys sucked. Bryson was coming off two wins. He was like, those guys are Tiger Woods. I know of Tigers always sucked at the radical. That is the one part where I felt. Okay. Tigers always know that was a spin zone. Everybody was saying, but deep down. I was also kind of like sucked and everyone he played with sucked. So it's like as the whole entire like is the entire US team just like never gonna be able to rigs is right though. If the Ryder Cup had been before the tour championship, I would feel a billion. I can't. I couldn't take couldn't give away that that win. He's giving it away. Frank. We would feel better if tiger didn't suck dick, the Ryder Cup. All right. So go back in time. They're giving away the tiger win for a Ryder Cup win. No, no, I rest my case. Pretty good, Frank. What's fair point? Should we end the podcasts on that? Because I think we are pretty much done here. That was Brando like Brenton. Let's grab a drink. You might just earned a drink. I mean, look, it's a good point. We got put in a tough spot when we decided to hitch our wagon the way that we did and it just couldn't have the chips couldn't Afam better. We've worked Ryan when tiger one cry. I cry yesterday, watching him win again. I get chills with everybody, fallen bite him on eighteen this guy be slings on YouTube. I told you about this name. This guy be slings on YouTube. He goes through and he takes everyone attack with rounds from this year and he just boils the whole round down to basically every second that they showed tiger during the round and that's it. So I also this porn, all his videos are like you're on porn dot com. Awesome. All of his videos are like twenty to thirty five minutes log on YouTube and it's like Tiger Woods. Final round torch Abby chip, and it's literally every single shot. The tiger hip and it's not just the swing. It's like the minute that they cut to him. All right, Raj. What's Tigers out here? It's amazing commentary all over the place or does it like sink? No, because it's it's like it's the real footage from a real tournament from the real broadcast coverage. They just cut out every part of it. That's not Tiger Woods like Tiger Woods. How many views do these videos have? That's that's what I wanna know how it's like thousand, but like I thought it was going to be like fourteen, no. So. Trent. Daddy's looking them up right now on the YouTube machine. My point in saying this six hundred thirty thousand one of them does. So I'm saying this. So for example, like I watched the final round shot by, yeah, there is it look at his cover photo is the tiger tiger. With the backwards. See his videos do well. I'm not the only guy. Yeah, seventy one thousand one hundred. Four thousand. Yes. So there's people watching it. I thought this was something you had found that no one else had found it was just you and be slings watching. I got to be a little rattled that I talked about it because I don't want him to get like shut down. There's no way what he's doing can be legal literally, no way, but this guy he is awesome. And you could spend ladies and gentlemen. You can spend your whole night's watching this guy's videos, a Tiger Woods. It is just straight porn. It's like the one from the torch Ambit ship final round. Like as soon as you turn it on the guys like next on the t. from Jupiter, Florida, Tiger Woods. And then he rips one and twirls into the, I t and then the next day it cuts to his Tigers hitting his approach onto the green. Forty minutes straight, four minutes of just forty minutes. Stripping went to went back and I went back and all the way and be slings videos than his first video is impractical jokers botchy episode. And then he has a bunch of looks like a high school soccer tapes in that. He's like, fuck this. I'm just going to start doing Tiger Woods. So his saga tape has sixty five us. Forty-three views, forty, three fifty, five years. And then how to end the call duty montage. That is how you figure out the game like tiger sells his next one from tiger has six hundred eighty six hundred thirty two thousand. So that's must have been what it was like. All right. I'm doing. I'm doing time off school soccer. You wanted to hold his whole round of the Arnold Palmer final round and twenty two minutes I've watched. I've watched like all these. I believe that he's awesome to watch. You're gonna love it. Interesting. So be slayings if you're out there listening, keep doing what you're doing. You are just one of the best accounts in the history of YouTube, and if you get shut down for this Email me your new name when you start doing this again and I'm going to watch, I'll promote us. We get some more followers in there, but your count is fantastic. He doing what you're doing. Everybody go check out Beazley's on on you, the direction. I didn't think we were page. I'm telling you is pages life-changing. It'll Justin. I don't watch football at night. Really. I don't watch. Any other sports? I just watch Tiger Woods. Thomas more college, verse Washington and Jefferson, two thousand eight soccer game hour and thirty seven minutes. Good stuff here. Really. This is the one fifty five us. Any comments though. All right. That's it. We pretty much have to. We gotta do gotta let Frankie ended on the note that he's right. We basically we, there's zero percent chance that I would give up that tiger win for pretty much anything in the world. Right? Yeah. Let alone like fuck the US team. I don't even like those guys that much of this. They all just a bunch of drama queens seems like they are and it's like the European team right now. They're just so much hotter than our guys are like, Qatami flee with that because the coolest guy in the world, I wanna hang guy Molinari's Molinari's the funniest guy ever seen in he would be if he worked in the barstool office, he would. They would just keep a camera on his face all day and he would have ten laugh out loud facial expressions. So those guys are way cooler than our guys right now. Their stocks are obviously way higher. So yeah, I would gladly give up that win. I'm sorry, I would gladly just be. Yeah, we'll take what we had because the tire win was so awesome. You can go watch the whole thing on bee's slings YouTube account. Go, check it out. We'll be back next week. Next Tuesday, we got some big gas coming up this fall. So. People should get jacked up for that. And if you haven't listened to the Greg Norman tape, the Greg Norman interview from last Thursday goal do because one of the best we've ever done till I got hit hard heart. 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Geist Day for a Zeit Wedding 6/23: 7.4 Magnitude, Fauci, Ron Jeremy, Mel Gibson and Winona Ryder

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Geist Day for a Zeit Wedding 6/23: 7.4 Magnitude, Fauci, Ron Jeremy, Mel Gibson and Winona Ryder

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And then you see like that old porn guy and like your breakdown toxic kids. You don't know what the fuck your folk dude. Dude Russell Julia here dude. To then you get older, and you start actually realizing your shit bag and you need to kind of change your shit up and you see. All right Sir there's also a Hollywood producer named David. Gila who think a lot of people I know no or like had to work with, and he was charged with sexual assault rape over like a number of them over the course of a number of years. Wow, so not a great industry turns out maybe. The senator payment industry, also the the guy who wrote kangaroo. Jack and also was like a big billionaire or a millionaire guests jumped off of the highest building in century city. Yesterday Steve Bing. And that is all over the news. I don't know anything about him, but you know obviously very sad. And Mel Gibson is trending and so's winona Ryder. She gave an interview that we're. She talked about just facing anti-semitism behind the scenes in Hollywood. Mel Gibson, telling a anti-semitic jokes, misogynistic jokes all P- very shocking and surprising. It's really it's like. The weirdest thing, is he? His response is like they're absolutely untrue. It's like you think people are gonNA. Believe you like you're on wax talking. On certainly true. Off The interview also she mentions that Prince Ford Coppola was trying to get her to cry on the set of. BRAM STOKER'S DRACULA and. The way did it was asking the other cast members to like verbally abuse her essentially. Hurl insults at her and counter reeves. refused to do so so counter Reeve stays the one good guy in Hollywood. Maybe it's almost like people. We gotTa Stop Exalting Him. Because you know the higher you are, the harder you fall. Yeah, I can't. I can no longer put all my eggs in the basket I have to just I can no longer be like Qian ruse free from any. I'm not saying he's evil, but I like in my mind. I was doing the thing that we do with celebrities like that guy is pure, good and nothing ever be wrong when I'm like I, feel like that's a weird way of thinking I'm trying to be like people are human I'm glad all the stories about him are good and that's how Andy. Yacky honorees is actually Jesus. Christ back. With shaggy your hair in like really good close quarter, combat skills, yeah! Were you of an age where Wynona Ryder was like a early crush for you. because. I love beetlejuice. And I loved her beetlejuice I'll I. Yeah me, too. I think yeah, there was that was probably the first time. That's all I needed. I'm trying to think of whatever the next thing was because for me, my strongest memory of Winona, Ryder and always being like I like Winona Ryder I. Think just because I loved beetlejuice. Heathers was big. mermaids was one that was big in my household, choosing kid in that I. Think but I think I saw when I was like a child also. Anyway shout out to an underwriter and. That is the four things that are trending right now. anything else we want to talk about not also just say Edward Scissorhands. I liked Edward scissorhands idol. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, back to back whimsical things and I was like okay I like. I'm into. Absolutely. Are you guys going to do it for today? we'll be back tomorrow with the whole ass episode of the daily Zeitgeist until then. He'll then be kind to yourself kind to each other. Wash your hands and don't do nothing and. I.

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Maven, Curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder, & Hornswoggle LIVE - Notsam Wrestling 228

Sam Roberts Wrestling Podcast

1:32:43 hr | 2 years ago

Maven, Curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder, & Hornswoggle LIVE - Notsam Wrestling 228

"There's week. I'm not saying wrestling, we're taking listen to the live event that went down. It was not Sam wrestling. It was the major wrestling figure podcast. Curt Hawkins Zack Ryder horns swallow maven. Everybody was there, and we'll be listening. We're going to break down fast lane and everything that went down this week in the state of wrestling. Let's get it started. It's not same wrestling. His. Introducing your host from New York here is Sam rulers. Oh, busy busy week. My never do. Busy for not Sam wrestling. Welcome everybody. Welcome to the show. Happy to be you're happy to be here with you. You know here in the not Sam studio. It's also my. Mine. Yeah. Not Sam terror dome. Not Sam studio is a it's a giant room on one end to full-fledged audio-video professional broadcaster last professional broadcasters studio, where I do this show out of if you wanna see all the videos that we do out of the studio four not Sam wrestling. You gotta sign up to patriot patriotic dot com slash not Sam wrestling. But it's also where I keep my collection. All my wrestling figures are down here. My mannequin with the ring worn gold dust outfit. A ton of live event shares. I got my sneaker collection down here. I got my TV I got all I got I got all my photos of everything I got my Bruce white original painted acrylic on velvet WWE paintings. From galleries nineteen Eighty-eight velvet mania shows. I got Owen hard undertake a rock Sasha banks. I got everything down here. But I'm I'm reorganizing everything. I'm moving the the collectibles out of one side of the room and moving them to the side of the room where the TV and the couch and all the lounge stuff was an I'm moving the TV and the couch and the lounge stuff over to where all the figures are now. So literally everything in the room has to be moved. And at the moment, it's a disaster area. Thank God the studio is quarantined off because it's my one solace. Although like to the left of me right now is the Mattel ring that they made their the Monday night raw wing ring that lights up and everything and on the right of me is the Mattel retro ring that looks like the old Hasbro ring, I mean, there's stuff everywhere. So hopefully over the next couple of weeks, I'll actually be able to get everything cleaned up and make this place livable again. That's the goal. We'll see if we get there. But in the meantime, I'm gonna live vicariously through you and all your beautiful clean, wonderful places of business and leisure and living gay, and that's all we're trying to do. Speaking of wrestling figures. You know, I got all my wrestling figures on display what not all of them not nearly all of them, but many of them, and I'm going through all my old figures and cleaning them up, and I'm recollecting stuff, and it's really getting absurd. But the reason I'm doing all that is because I was inspired by. Curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder and their podcast the major wrestling figure podcast I've been at war with them. It's been no secret for the last couple of months, some of you have been enjoying it. So if you have been suffering through it, some of you have been indifferent. But I'm happy to announce that the beef is indeed over I did the intro for their podcast last week. I'm sure they'll talk about it this week. But the beef that was it was pretty brutal. You know, the shots that were going back and forth. Not only on our podcast, but on social media. It was a lot quite frankly, it was exhausting. I'm glad to be done with the bitter, bitter rivalry, and it all culminated at a live event on Caroline's on Broadway. We were able to squash the beef, and we were able to move forward as friends at that great live show. I appreciate any and all of you that turned up to Caroline's last week to watch that show live. It really wasn't amazing thing to be a part of. And I was getting booed out of the building. But I know that a lot of you. Were there? You know, how I know that because I taught you all you got gotta boo the bad guy. And in that moment, I wasn't he'd the villain. And I think I did earn my booze and came out of it on top. And I appreciate I appreciate everything. And I wanted to share some of that with you today. Now, there's a couple of things I want to share with you today. I'm going to share with you. I'm going to share with you the live event that was the plan going in. But you know, we lost a couple of people this week. First of all, we lost King Kong Bundy, and that's a real shame. You know, I never interviewed King Kong Bundy, but I did meet him as a little kid somewhere. I've got a polaroid of me when I was probably like twelve I look like I'm about eight, but I've got a degeneration next suck at t shirt on. And I'm an independent show. It was in new Rochelle New York. I believe in, you know, a high school gym somewhere and King Kong Bundy was on the show and they were offering entering photo ops for however, much they were Polaroid's. I gotta find the polaroid is the thing. But I never forget that moment because not only that I get a picture with king gung Bundy, and he wrapped his hands around my neck, and it was the coolest thing in the world because this wasn't that far removed. This was like, you know, it was years, but not that many years removed from his run in the WWE with the million dollar corporation. But not only was that the first time that I met King Kong Bundy, but it was the first time than actually stepped foot into a wrestling ring in any of you guys that are fans, and I would expect that you are all huge fans of pro wrestling, you know, especially when you're a kid all you wanna do is feel what the what is the canvas feel like what are the ropes feel like what does the apron feel like I mean for me. I was always such a fan that I would get star struck just on the on the on the physical things like I wouldn't just get star looking at wrestlers. I would get star struggling at ring steps. I would get star struck looking at the bell. And when I'm staring at a wrestling ring. And it's right there in front of me in real life. It was mind blowing. I was have been still am always will be obsessed with professional wrestling on a whole 'nother level, I realized that recently I was getting starstruck by the ring itself and still do to some extent to this. Day, you know, just say reaching your hand out, and you get to touch like the corner post it's mind blowing, but it was super mind-blowing as a kid. So I got to go in there and meet him. And I remember just what he was. He was he was a nice guy sweetheart. But you know, you talk about guys that made an impact and boy did he main event of wrestlemainia to only become back years later and be be the huge heavy in the million dollar corporation. He'll be sorely missed King Kong Bundy will be sorely sorely missed. And of course, he was the inspiration for the bundys on Mary with children Al Bundy Peggy Bundy Kelly Bundy, bud Bundy named after the name Bundy was named after King Kong Bundy, the creators of that show where you'd wrestling fans. So real shame that we lost King Kong Bundy over the week. We also lost Luke Perry, which I don't know how many people, you know, his son was just signed a w jungle boy is Luke Perry, son. But I don't know how many of you guys know what a big wrestling fan. He was. Awhile back. He was on the wrestling podcast. I had him on the whole interview is on YouTube, and what I'm going to do this week is share some of that interview. I cut a portion of that interview mainly the wrestling heavy portion where he's talking about meeting and working with Vince McMahon where he's talking about what an influence dusty Rhodes and RIC flair were on him, even as an actor stuff that you would never guess about Luke Perry. But it's also a great insight because you get to hear the way he feels about. You know, his son being a wrestling fan. And and and how what is responsibility in passing that down. He just the way he was talking. He sounded like a great father the couple of times I met him. He was an absolutely phenomenal, man. And it really is a shame again. I mean, it's just so sad to lose guys like that. So we will be listening to a portion of that Luke Perry interview later in the show, if you've already heard it or you just want to look it up on YouTube, or whatever you can skip it. But I just thought it was now is the time to share that again with everybody in case anybody forgot that input. You know, Luke Perry's name in the title of the show, or or you know, kind of plastered everywhere because I didn't want this to be about capitalizing off of that. I just thought that that this would be a good moment to to share it. That's why. He's not the main guest because I didn't want to go. Like, hey, I've gotta Luke Perry interview. I just think that that's that's kind of a not cool thing to do. But what was cool was doing a live event with curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder at Caroline's last week. What we've got for you today, and this video will be available on the not same YouTube channel within the next couple of weeks. If you're a subscriber on patriot patriot dot com slash not Sam wrestling, you can watch the video immediately. We've got corn will onstage with us to start the whole thing off. It was myself Zack Ryder curt Hawkins and horn will sitting down and just chatting it up. Just hanging. Get to hear some great stories and then. You'll hear horn swat will takes a powder. He leaves. And after horns Ouaga walks off. I talked to Zack Ryder and curt Hawkins for a little while until Zach, right and great great stories out of them until Zack Ryder introduces the world to his surprise. I mean, not not did this. Curt Hawkins introduces the world to the surprise that he brought four Zack Ryder, and that's the prizes maven. And when I tell you may even stole the show maven stole the show. I mean, it's it's it's incredible way to you hear maven stories. You will not you have no idea how much you wanted to hear maven stories and you'll hear him. I gotta get made on the podcast for an extended interview. Because. He he tore the house down. So we're going to hear it. We're gonna start with horns Twaddell move onto just Hawkins and Ryder into maven. And then we'll be back here. It is this week. The interview on not Sam wrestling, my new best friends in podcasting. Curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder and friends. The not Sam wrestling interview swat will you become shut the fuck ups. You've got it. On our side now. Oh, sorry. Keep okay. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. You've been you become a pretty big part of the major wrestling figure podcast amazingly. I can say it very easily. Now, I know the name and everything it does the major wrestling figure podcast, you're on the t shirts. Yeah. You know? Are you a figure fan I am? Oh, I actually sold guys one second. He's on our T shirt. Yeah. I don't know what the t shirt is. Well, if I'm not mistaken, I know I was a big collector. So you know, when I was growing up no had to get the show on Playgirl. Right. Did. Gore. She did don't the night. I realize I fell in love with my girlfriend Chelsea idle house party. It was called. Beaming with the boys in Zack, Ryder's toys. The next day. I woke up to all these photos and one of them was horse. Wagle naked lane down HPK Playgirl style with the internet time covering this midget penis. Midgets penis. There's a posture for a midget little small peanuts. It's now a Chelsea saw that night. So swallow you did stripped naked impose with the intercontinental on the internet championship. Yeah. What's what am I supposed to do at Brusque's party? Well, now, you said that you also patrol the halls but naked with only a proton. He was so guys. This son of a bitch, which you used for this Asper? Zach will correct me say it's a real real to shoot real ghosts. Music. It's good for the kid. Sweep by nine year old has one too. He was so angry. He gets how dare you put on my fucking proton pack you and your doodoo chocolate fingers. Not my fucking proton back. He was more upset over this. Then when as you know, hair treatment didn't work quite well. On. Hi, Sam nice to my friend. Matt. He said, yeah. You got it. I got your back, dude. So. So as a as a collector, it seems like you don't have a tremendous amount of respect for other people's collections in the sense that you're walking around with do chocolate fingers. Putting on proton pack guys this this fucking do chocolate fingers. This is the worst thing. I listen, I support my best friends and Zach I support I support them. I listen every every Friday morning and every week doodoo chocolate fingers doodoo chocolate fingers doodoo chocolate. It drives me crazy so much to my son goes dad, you got doodoo and chocolate on your fingers. He's ruining my life. He's forcing me to drink. But he's now feel bad. I stole that line. From eastbound it down when the kids are on his jets gains chocolate. But you haven't yet tonight wasn't he do to chocolate on your fingers. I'll never deny it. Well, okay, good. That makes me a liar. Sam I'm not a liar. Good for you. Thank you large lot of jazz. Classic superstars from horn swallow. And that's the thing. I didn't trust him because I collect loose. I'm a loose guy. Let them breathe right? I didn't trust him to open them up. I didn't trust his discussing. Plus the figures and he touched the excess. He actually said he actually said to us to Hawkins that I touched them as little as possible. That's like what that's like what you when your ten when your friends come over. Like, I've never again, I've never said that to my own son. Just don't touch out a lot. Take photos and sell it to me don't touch it though. So you type of collector that allows your son to put his doodoo chocolate fingers on your home. I son has doodoo chocolate fingers. Now, I just thought you fucking join cared son of genetic kid. I swear to God Sam I'll give Bianca BelAir on your ass. I don't need that. I don't need that. I thought it was genetic. That's my mistake. That's my mistake. I apologize. Oh, that's genetic doodoo chocolates to next. I don't know. It's all I'm sorry Zach he started it. I'm gonna have to do another show with swaddled after this. But you'll will you allow your your son to put his very clean hands on your collection. I don't have a collection anymore. I'm a goddamn grown ass man half grown out. So. Oh, you have that whole been bone crunches your house? Wow. Them up and stuff. So here's a question. I have for you Brosky is what is the most expensive at peace and your collection expensive, like the most I paid for it. Or that it's worth no the most paid. I think the most I paid for a single figure you want me to say right here. I do. Yeah. Who who likes numbers? He is never told me the exact amount. What's the exact amount? The highest amount. Are we talking about Greg? No, we're talking about for a steel. Well, steal everybody. Okay. Well, let's start there. I didn't know there was one worse than that down payment on a house. You're talking you're dragging steal your dragging. Greg the hammer Valentine, a huge lot from an ex Hasbro employees. I spent a lot of money on the lot. But I kept what I wanted it sold the rest. So I broke even that doesn't count. No, no, saying how much did you pay how much? How was that was the one with the two ups and all of the lot? How much was the line keeping my dad's keep in mind? I kept with I wanted and sold the rest. So really I made out on the deal. You didn't go ahead. Did you didn't make a profit? Take Jamie Lee Curtis can be mad. It's a fantasy that he made out right? There's no proof of that forty three thousand dollars. I got back on it doesn't pay. Forty three thousand dollars. That I got it all back how much how much do they pay you to sit in catering that could have fixed your won't be. I. I got it all back. So it was an investment. Okay. All back. You got some back. I got I got all back at lot. Like, I think I'm gonna keep the demolition. Keep it's another thing. I got it. All back, though, what I wanted. Do you sit there like do you have to start moving things around at that point? Or do you just sit there with a checking account for figures with forty three thousand dollars in it? I already lined up attentional buyers. I see you know, what I'm saying you were prepared. So I didn't spend I, but I made it. Okay. And I have to keep what I wanted. I kept Greg the hammer Valentine the two up and the regular. So you ended up getting a good deal on kept. What a bargain, what's the most expensive single figure this? Nope, you're interested, right? This is sweating. I will. I will. I will. I bought a mood. Shut up pug is still not for you, sir. Now I bought a moon belly Kamala. M O C Ivo. See? Oh, no. And you're sure it's it's real, obviously. Big ear. Moon valley canoe fucking idiot. Eleven thousand dollars. For one figure. Let's who wants to let Kamala breathe. I thought that maybe while we were all here and gathered with our friends and everything that we would shift things over to the not Sam wrestling way. Maybe get to know the major brothers a little bit get to know the stories of curt Hawkins and Zack Ryder a little bit. And yeah, oh, what's the whole thing and start there? Okay. And start there and asking. Especially my daughter idiot. Who's mackenzie? Good major Mark now. Now, what's the half's is the first question, especially right, now, I'm proud of shooter this event, man, they come back. Yeah. I think it's pretty amazing. When we talk about a lot in the podcast, you know, once upon a time ago, like the deepest darkest secret that we had was that we collected wrestling like when we first got called up to the main roster. We were twenty two year old kids. There's no way you'd be like, hey undertaker. You want to be on the major wrestling for your podcast like no fucking way. So that would do a live show with you San here, New York City Caroline's. Yeah. Dan. I mean, look at the guests. You guys have had on the podcast. You've had a whole bunch of the guys that are in the locker room. The like, let's be honest dean Ambrose probably would have been in that category. When you first got here dean Ambrose have been there. When you first got there, you probably wouldn't have gone up to him and said, you wanna be on my wrestling figures because you didn't listen I did. And he told me fuck, no. Then like just that conversation jar just like what wrestling figures do like it jarred? All these sentimental thoughts in his head unbeknownst to me. So like weeks later, he said something him like, hey, I'd like to do that pockets where like wait what what's going on? And it just made him like all these memories that he hadn't thought about so long. We're like flooding back them even during the interview, you could see he's like almost getting emotional when he was telling more stories about figures. Yeah. The week ethnic. He goes after we talked. I thought I had this guy. Crazy. So where did you guys? What like what came first? Did you guys decide? Okay. We can talk about figures around here because there's other figure fans in the locker room because people don't think we're schmucks anymore because of the or was it fuck it. We're just going to do what we like a little bit of both of the times have changed. Yeah. Big time time to change WBZ's chains. Everybody's just more open minded, you know, and loose about, you know. Like young little babies was grown as men. You know? Yeah. Now, we're thirty three, but we're still younger than what the guys were. When we. Yeah. I think a big thing is like we grew up with WW being characterized and toys and video games in bed sheets. And it was like that. When we first started the guys in the Rosser older. And it wasn't like that. You know, it was like Raleigh Allen watching a black and white TV and their kids. So. So it's a little different. So like, we romanticize wrestling in a different way that they did totally. So they couldn't see on our level. I think now like ninety nine percent of the roster. Besides Mojo rawley like grew up. Unloving Wesley wanting to be a wrestler. So now wholly different totally different times. And it's a generational thing. Right. Like, you guys all grew up with that same exact wrestling like, you know, we all are around the same age. We all grew up kind of idolizing. Watching superstars of wrestling is hit the nail run in the head. We're all like the same age as opposed to when we debuted was way older than. Yeah. This is such a special night. I want to do something special for my friend, Matt here. Isn't that? Great. So I booked a guest. No way your favorite wrestler of all time. The man that eliminated the undertaker from the Royal rumble with the draft pick the winner up tough enough seats. Enough. I didn't know it was going to happen. Very is that can live event at Caroline's on Broadway momentarily, but you know. How do I put this delicately? I was watching the way Zack Ryder reacted to maven on all levels, mentally spiritually, but mainly physically, and I thought to myself, how would I be able to get those affects how would I be able to get myself to the physical point that Zack Ryder is all of that writer has to do is see maven, but for the rest of us. How do we get to a place where we are ready to go where we have that physical confidence where we know the no matter what happens we're going to be good to go when it comes to. Well, the bedroom. And that's where blue dot com comes in Zack Ryder has made in for the rest of us. It's blue dot com. Blue brings you the first shoe of with the same FDA approved active ingredient as Viagra Cialis. 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But that's on that's on fucking rules, man. And what's funny about that song? Because I get asked about that song everywhere, I go and newsflash. I hate that fucking. What I know. I'm thinking about on Monday. I'm going to go in and be like, hey, Kevin Dunn can mean rider have that maven song? It is your gym playlist like every every time I work out. And that's all if you're struggling, you know, you want to get off that treadmill? You need that extra put on the main theme you're gonna fucking you're gonna stick it out. And here is what is gonna show my age. I still have an ipod. So fuck all y'all. Also, I don't even own that song in my playlist. But I respect your humble, I respect it. And I'm here to give the truth and honesty, I have met more people that like that song. And thank you guys. I actually met the people that do the song one time, and I felt like the biggest asshole earth because they came up in their life. Hey, how you doing? I'm like what's up, and they were like, yeah. How do you like our song? And I'm like, it's great. Well, no, it's your instances like I do now. Thank you. What are you up to me? And it's been a long time since a lot of folks have senior. Well, I'm doing films now. Can grant's Brosky you got. W W figures that vibrate. No, actually, you know, what transitioning from if you're from from wrestling. It's a heart. I'm not gonna lie. It's hard. It's tough. It's tough to go from being on TV tweak getting great receptions. Thank you guys. So much. Mm. Go on EBay today by your attribute your maven versa. You know, what if it would be great? If it was back in the day when I saw dime of that. Well, speaking of which you do while you're doing whatever it is. You're doing hope isn't getting naked. You're touching me. You're touching me. Now, I'm actually saying I'm working, I'm working for the the Brooklyn nets. Now. I'll fantastic I worked. So I'm local I live in New Jersey. And I've been with them then with the team when the front office for a little little under a year now. And I I'm enjoying my time there. That's amazing. That's amazing. So what do you got there from even two Matt from mavens? And to tell you guys the backstory when we're not found out. This guy was a fan of mine from back in the day. I was shot and honored. So, hey, it's the least ACA do I don't have a clue within there. All my friends at favorites. I have signed figures of not here has none. So I think he should start his collection right here tonight. Oh, it's a good idea. O. L A true pro I don't even. Yeah. Am I going to sign? It right here. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah. To mad Mex and such a fucking Mark for me love. Maybe. That's it. I also have. Better. I eight by ten oh my God. What a hands officials you. What are you thinking about right here? Yeah. What what's going through your mind right here? There's a little middle schooler named Mike. Might get him while he signing your favorite go to Matt to Matt you're such a fucking mind number, but we'll drop kicks nowhere near as good as mine was. Oh fuck. No. My number one one. If you look at the old footage of Zack Ryder when he's a kid at the HOGAN signings and stuff like that his face right now looks exactly say. This ad pimples. There you go mad like I said when I came out. This is the this the first time I've signed an autograph in ours. Ooh. Although. Play. Oh. When you let's while we guy here, we gotta get some more soy's got you show up to rumble. They tell you eliminate the undertaker. You went you went the behind the walk us through that one. Okay. So at the time I'm living in Cincinnati and working for less fatter. Who smoked more weed than he coached wrestlers. And they learn something every and they called and said we want you at the Royal rumble. Of course at this time. I didn't know what. Roll what position fuck they want might want him to park horse. I don't know. Hey, the checks were clearing. So I would have did whatever how far removed from tough enough at this point months. That's right. This was and if you if you look at oath footage of that it's before I even had trunks, and it's before I even had wrestling boots. I was out there. And I want to say sneakers back pants. Yeah. And track pan. I just want to say you were my pick from week one may even get. Dude already got a cross on. You're already got a man crush on you. So you got me you got I was more to win ski guy, but we can keep going. Don't get me started on that. Now, he's a good do. But anyway, so so I get to get to Atlanta where the rumble was and this is true. They call me immediately down to the ring. And there's Shane they take me. Right up to Shane shaneco MAC and take her. And I'm literally standing there. I'm a fucking child at this time. And I'm standing there like this looking at at taker and Shane looks at me he's like Maeve so takers come out, and he's going to shit can lead as gonna shit can Matt and Jeff your music will come out, and he's going to be looking around, and you're gonna drop kick him in the back and eliminate him from the the the rumble taker no lie looked at me went and said what the fuck. I I've never shit my pants grown man until that moment. And then later later on. He was like, nah, kid. I'm kidding. But take your new one thing about the business that I wish every every superstar new and that is in order to progress the business you gotta make new talent. And that's all he was trying. He was trying to do not only favor for me that night but favored for the business and to this day anything I got in wrestling iota that man another quick story that night, and I'm assuming everybody in. Here's Mark semi. Right. Oh, yeah. I mean like level Mark, Mark. So when I a Mark like, so very sure. All right. So you're gonna save up. So when I say get color, what am I talking about? You guys are fucking marks. So the the match called that night for me to get colored and in the business if you wanna get good color you take aspirin. Right on time. Well, I'm allergic to aspirin. So I take backstage tells me, you know, an hour and a half before we go out. He's like you'll take a couple baby aspirins to get your thin your blood out. And I'm like, I'm allergic. She said drink some Jack. I'm out. I'm out there. He's not feeling thing. Because he's taker and I'm half half two sheets to the wind hob shot clock that I actually hit the drop kick. But I'm glad I did. So. With. There was anybody else there that had a problem with you being the one that got to eliminate the undertake, you know, what I'm sure a lot of people did and God rest his soul. I love this guy. He turned out to be one of my best friends before he passed tests. Yeah. Yeah. That's brusquely other favorite wrestler ever give it up. That's true. Andrew test and meet him became good buddies later on you know, after I got released I did some stuff with TNA back when they started. And then I I worked for the home shopping network and they're down in Florida. And when I moved down there tests, your it was like Murray's, you're moving down. Stay with me. And channel side. And I was like all right. And he turned out to be one of my best friends before he passed. But he told me he was like fucking hated you, bro. And if you know Andrew that that was his personality. And, but you know, I'm sure a lot of guys did I know Saturn. You know, I do I know he did. But it's just natural. You know, the way I came in was different. And you know, I want to do all I was trying to do with with with the position that I came in win with was just earn guys respect, you know, and I earned Bob Holly respect which that right? That right. There was enough for me. And once I knew aren't his respect. And he saw that I respected the business that a loved the business, and then I was going to do right by the business. Then I knew everyone else, you know, was either gonna come on. And and whether you're fan, I'm you're not. That's that's fine whatever, but understand that. I love what it is. And I'm out there doing, and, you know, I just cut you off as a you're very handsome, man. Maybe. Bono, mocking him. Look at him. Do you have the real skin are three figuring how you can stare at it for the end of time God blessed? Godless looking. He's a handsome not bad for Ghana's, mid forties. Yeah. How did you? How did you react to that? I mean, I'm sure growing up yet. Plenty of people who thought you were a handsome guy. But once you show up on MTV Mona let me cut you off. I grew up in fucking southern redneck Virginia where this was his black as anything ever seen. There was not many people thought, I was handsome going by those eyebrows. These to have. You're right about that. Stephanie mcmahon. Knicks those. Daily. She pulled me like one of my first weeks of TV. She pulled me aside. And she was like, yeah. Maybe the eyebrows. They gotta go. And looking back at old pictures. She was right. But how did you react to the fact that you show up on MTV, you're getting a lot of girls and young Cardona attention, you show up on WWE you getting even more girls and young Cardona attention. Like does that not inflate your ego denied end up making mistakes? I mean, of course, I'd be a liar. If I say it didn't flight your ego. I mean, anytime you have people chanting your name anytime, you have people. What does that sound like when you chant mavens? Right. Admiral boats record that. The clip. I mean, that's definitely that's going to inflate your ego. But I I would like to think that that that my mom raised me with enough. You know, just respect for people to understand my mom made. Sure that I always remember where I came from true story. My mom used to give I was on rawal, and my mom used to give kids my numbers, and they would call me after all, and I'll be like mom, you gotta stop this shit. She would be like you got time for your fans. I'd be like. No, I really don't. Trying to get to the next town. I can't talk a little kids. Maybe new Twitter was before any of us. Now, we all got Twitter mentions. It was mavens phone should've been me. But no, I I hope anybody that meets me. I realize I'm never going to be, you know, somebody as famous as John CENA or or rocky. But you know, what I'm never going to be the lowest guy I'm somewhere in the middle. And I'm fine with that swab the lowest guy here tonight. I'm I'm I'm fortunate to have the career. I did I'm humbled to have the career. I did. And you know, would always go down as the best the best time of my life. And and it's for people just like this. Thank you. Yeah. Well, let's give another round of applause. All right. Very common. Dot baby. To there. They were thanks again to Maeve into horn swat to curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder and make sure you check out the major wrestling figure podcast of wrestling figures. Are your thing. It's great. It's a great thing. So before we get onto the state of wrestling and everything else as I said at the top of the show, I did want to take some time this week to pay a little tribute to Luke Perry I interviewed I've interviewed him a couple times. But the most recent interview I had with him was a little while ago. I did aired here on the podcast, and it was all about wrestling in and phantom. Of course, he's talked about Riverdale in the other projects he was doing as well. But I wanted to share the conversation that we had about wrestling with you guys this week on the podcast. Of course, if you wanna go straight to the state of wrestling, go straight to the state of wrestling. But in the meantime, as a tribute to Luke Perry, I thought it best that we share his stories, and we experienced them together. One more time. Of course, this interview is available on video right now on the YouTube channel YouTube dot com slash not Sam here. He is. From a little while back. The great Luke Perry and good for you. Did you see that a what what caught wind on social media? Was you checking out your son's debut wrestling match? I I heard some about that. Yeah. Yeah. What? So. So did you see the video? You just heard that it was in either. No, I saw it. Yeah. What did you were? You surprised that it drew as much attention as it did? I try not to think about it. And that's not my end of it. I don't you know. I it's him doing what he's doing. Yeah. I want him to have his own world and his own privacy. It's well, I mean, first of all I wanna tell you as a big wrestling fan. He's got an amazing. Look that had a hair is like perfect. Are you a wrestling fan? I your WWE fan because you popped up on the edge and Christian show. Sure. I I've been in the ring when you the last time they had their diva. Search I refereed that. Right. You know, dusty Rhodes American dream. Yeah. The nature boy that those guys from my time. I love wrestling. And what do you do you do you actively watch now, or are you just kind of peripheral? You know, the time commitment to Riverdale is such that I can't really actively watch anything the moment. But I watch whenever I can't great thing about those guys throw network. It's out there. All the time now twenty four hours a day. You get the WWE channel. Yeah. See it all the time. Absolutely Thursdays at nine o'clock has people watching Riverdale on the CW. When we recruit the CW CDW means cool, watch it. There's a little comment in there, too writes, the comma w there is now watch it. Yeah. And with guy to be great for you as smackdown got moved to Tuesdays, which means Thursdays are wide open. Well, yeah. But Riverdale and who wants to be competing mismatch down. No, no, no smackdown and raw or in the top twenty every week and had amazing fifteen years. I've been those the most consistent two programs in the top twenty. So have you been wrestling fan since your kid? And and did it ever did it ever escape you? Or is it always just kind of been something that you're interested in nothing escapes. He doesn't does it. I it's always just something. I'm interested in. I appreciate the level of theater again. I it is fantastic. I've been fortunate enough to meet a lot of the performers and they've all been really nice guys. Isn't that amazing? That like I feel like, you know, you mean athletes, and they're not always the nicest guys in the world. But I've never I mean, I've met almost every pro wrestler that I could wanna meet, and they're never been disappointed that the whole like you don't wanna meet your heroes thing. Like, I haven't variance that when you met John sina. You're not disappointed. He was the he was the guy Ramos stereo, right? I love that dude. Right. I like I said if fortunate we've met a lot of them Cain. Great, call Lee. How is collie? I haven't met colleague. He was really lovely. I remember he reached down to sign an autograph in. I mean, it's difficult for him to hold the pen because it's so small writer to his hand is like him taking a sewing needle. When you see the physical size of them. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing Teesta David Batista's haven't quite a career for himself as an yeah. Yeah. Do you get happy when you see because I feel like professors don't get a ton of respect in the in the more mainstream industry. Do you get happy? When you see a guy like the rocker, Batista that can kind of break through that. And got a career. I don't like people trying to pigeonhole and tell you what you're about. And what you can do. And what you can't do clearly Dwayne Johnson never listened to anybody says I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. Right. And I think David Batista's kind of getting on that path. Now, he's gonna do. And you know, I met, you know, big show. He's a great guy. He's like that scene has had a lot of success in movies. Yeah. This got good thing. Going put up some great entertainment, and you probably had a similar attitude in the sense that like I'm sure at the bigger nine or two one got the more people wanted that to be you will we figured out. What Luke Perry is? He's the guy from nine to one hour, and whether that shows on the or not that's what we want to put on our show. Oh, and you have to make the decision to not do that. Which is which can be a risk, right? That's what acting about writing risk for all the good work lies on the other side of some risk. Yeah. So who's your who's your favorite wrestler growing up? I'm obsessed with wrestling. So that to me is is is we're talking about the American dream dusty dusty Rhodes with my favorite wrestler, who was a friend of mine, I got to know in pretty well before he passed. How'd you get to know? We're backstage at Anaheim. And I was taking my son to I think we're going to triple age and as we're walking across the room. I got to the corner. My I saw dusty Rhodes, and I said shows over some time out. I don't care. We'll get to them, and I made a beeline straight to that man. And I mean, he put his arms around me hugged. I got to squeeze. And I said this is big for me. I, you know, I've I've met every actor in the world not so much when I met dusty Rhodes is a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it amazing with those guys can do like like just the, and I don't know if it's something about being like human superheroes? Or there's something about if you really love it. And appreciate it. There's no actor whoever it is. That's going to measure up to be like, no. But that's that's him. That's dusty that's him. That's dusty Rhodes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The one I mean, you know, the nature boy RIC flair got a buddy of mine who is doing a show with him right now. Documentary, enemy spend a lot of times that the thirty for thirty with Rick don't know if it's gonna be a thirty for thirty about flare. Right. It's all about flair. And he's he's he's a Riverdale fan. Ric flair. Woo. Yeah. Do you have a favorite a dusty? Or RIC flair promo the you'd watch. When does he does? He would talk about being a son of a plumber right in west Texas with hot hail. Yeah. He talk. He talk it, man. And that was a great thing. Nobody wrote that stuff now he would just sit right down. He looked right down the pipe. Ed cameron. He started laying down to you. You start telling you how it was baby. Telling you about him being sick about you know, him being the American dream, and I'm sat there and as a kid knowing full long I wanted to be an actor. I'm sitting there going this is one of the best actors I've ever seen yet. And he is just up there Roland he role. You didn't have a moment as a kid where you wanted to be a wrestler. It was always an actor. Look at me death. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Who are we kidding, right? I knew that wasn't coming around. But I still appreciate you know, appreciate great writing. Right. When it's done, well, dusty fabulous. Nobody ever wrote that that was him as all him all the time. I mean, you can go on YouTube or the network now watch these promos from the eighties and went to put your hands up on the screen like you still get the same Reverend hike. He asked up on the screen now touched the dream where Where'd you grow up, Ohio? So so. What in a small town? Not unlike Riverdale only none of the freaky stuff going on. But that's the thing about the shows small towns rank are all the freaky stuff. Hap-? There's always folklore and legends surrounding these things isn't there is in my, you know, all the small towns that I've lived in. No different is always freaky stuff going on. It's never the people. You think it will be? Yeah. And Riverdale is a great way to have a look at that sort of dynamic that totally exists in America. Do you like doing a show like Riverdale because allows you not dissimilar from professional wrestling while we're on the topic? But it allows you to do a lot more like you're not restricted necessarily to the confines of reality. Yeah. The gentleman who writes our show Roberto Aguirre, so he's not restricted by any he's only restricted by his own imagination and his good taste. And he's put together some great script for this thing. I mean, he was singularly the voice that got me interested in turn it all around for me made me want wanna get in and do this thing. Yeah. Is there anything in the acting world that you haven't done? That you specifically want to or is it just about finding. I'm looking to run on top of the moving train car to car always wanted to do it and hasn't had jet. I had a movie going got cancelled where I was going to get to do that. And it was a worst in dude, I've made some bad movies. This was. And I said, I was gonna do it. Anyway, may just like you're not I said did you see on page six where it says I run on top of the moving train? I said all you need to do is confirm that they have a train that I'm going to get to run on it not to stunt, man. And then I'm signed in this. He's like you are not because I am and I did and then the movie fell apart. But I was ready to go just so I can run onto train that didn't even if it had fallen apart after you shot that scene, you could have at least said can I just have the footage of the train run more to the point. If I can just find a slow moving train. Yeah. Non somebody without their iphone. We'll make our own movie a selfie that check this. That would be cool. Yeah. I think so I I read it a the promotion that your son was gophers. I was a pro wrestling something that you brought into your family. Did you did you? Or was it something that your son found they find their own way? Kids find their way to stuff in life. See I'm wondering that because my wife is pregnant with a boy and all I want is to have a little wrestling, buddy. But I don't know if I feel like if I tried to hard he's gonna be like, this isn't cool doesn't matter. What you do? Right. He's going to be who he is. And you're going to have to find your place in that. That's what parenthood is you give your children every opportunity, you can you try to teach them all the things, you know, they are who they are. They're going to be who they're going to be you've got to find the way to support that and to stay in their life. And that's that's what your job is just pushed them with whatever it is that they are doing. We don't push him. Right. Just let let it all. Let them roll it out as it's rolling out for them. It's I think it's one of the biggest gift you can give your child. Let them have their own life. Let them figure it out with everything. Don't don't. Indoctrinate them in any way. Let them figure it out and try to find what you can do to support that you've seen a lot of pro wrestling or anything you wouldn't want him. There's all kinds of shit. I don't want him to him. But that you know, that's that's not. It's not always up to me. He and I talk about he doesn't want me to discuss this too much. I see, oh, I didn't is he wants to get past that he's on his own his own thing. Have you just in terms of you being a fan of this stuff? Have you met Vince McMahon? I have what's that? Like, I mean, I've I've talked to him very briefly. He runs that show. He runs that show. I mean when they're in their two o'clock in the afternoon doing a rehearsal, Vince McMahon stand in the middle of the ring with a clipboard and headset on gone. Okay. Q these lights bang when I say that I want that to happen now bring him out. He calls the shots. Yeah. On how that stuff goes down. And I know a lot of guys who that have, you know? You have a lot of money on a lot of stuff. They wouldn't be there doing that. But you can tell how much Vince loves it. And it's what he does what he's about that families about. Yeah. And I had never seen anything quite like that. But to see him stand there calling the shots at the rehearsal that brother runs a show. Do you like that as a performer like you can obviously put yourself in the position of of a wrestler, a performer, do you like seeing guy like that that you're like, you know, what I might not have all the freedom in the world to do whatever I want. But I know I can trust that guy. 'cause he definitely has a vision d like that like when when you see that do you walk in knowing I can trust that or do you prefer looser environment? I really like, you know, when when someone's in charge on the set with a director. Yeah, I like to hear one voice. I like your one person giving me direction. Tell me what's going on. That's the nature of how film works on the call it the last dictator Oriel position. There is one guy to call the shots. Vince McMahon in his world of his very much that dictator that got it says this is how it's going to go. And this is why and because he's had so much success people. Don't question it. They he tells them to do something that gets done. Right. That's how it works. That's officiency. Yes. You know? And that's how I try to be on the set director tells me to do something. I'd do it. Right. I don't ask a lot of questions. I don't do it because that's my job. But the, but the so so what makes it difficult and it would make difficult. There would make it difficult for you. If there's a whole bunch of different people management type people running around going. Why don't you try this? Why don't you try that in this guy over here? And you're like all these why don't I try that? Because the director didn't tell them to. That's it. Yeah. And because I didn't feel it and he didn't tell. Me too. Hence, it's not getting tried. Right. You went to be tried go be a director. So with the wrestlers they pretty clear when Vince tells him it's going like this. Yeah. That's how it's going great. But if some other guy comes up to him goes have you thought about it? They're like, I don't work for you. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure there's only one name on the paycheck. You look at that. Is that your name? Yeah. Then my way, right, right? Yeah. And it's the same guy who's paid guys that have been more successful than you. And you're in his way. Now, you gotta go. Here is Sam rubber tes sa- rest in peace. Luke perry. Just to really really awesome guy that whole interview is up on YouTube. If you wanna see the whole thing, but I just thought it would be cool to share some of the stories with you this week before we get into the state of wrestling at the time of this recording. We don't know exactly what it is. It hasn't been confirmed. But it's I think most of us know, the WWE has has confirmed that there will be a big announcement on Thursday, which is day the show comes out. But obviously we record before the show comes out because otherwise how could the show come out? But on Thursday in Tampa, the WWE is making a big announcement and based on where the day falls on the calendar, and what rumors would have you believe I would guess that the WWE is in Tampa to announce that that will be the site of wrestlemainia thirty six that's what a lot of the rumors are thinking, that's what a lot of the speculation. Is that Tampa Florida is going to be the home of wrestlemainia thirty six. I really I think that's going to be cool. You know as much as it's fantastic to have wrestlemainia in your neck of the woods. You know? There's always I mean, there's something special regardless of what city the WWE goes to. There's something great about being in New Orleans and having mardi gras not mardi gras bourbon street instead of being like, mardi gras having bourbon street filled with dude wrestling t-shirts, there's something awesome about when you know, you're sitting I'm doing my day to day life here in New York City and slowly wrestlemanias starts to seep in to New York. I love that. But something that I really enjoy is when the WWE goes to a town that they can truly get their hands on and takeover. And I feel like Tampa is going to become wrestlemainia central when WWE goes there. I just think I think everywhere you go it's going to be wrestlemainia wrestlemainia wrestlemainia. And I think that I think that's fun. I'm looking forward to it are Powell. Mike Calcutta who do does a radio show out there in Tampa? I know he and his son or big wrestling fans. So they gotta be psyched. I got a text and find out if he's excited, but it's amazing. It's amazing. When you think about just what a machine WWE is. And how the show just keeps going and going and they keep rolling and rolling like we are right in the midst. We are in the teeth of wrestlemainia season. It is heating up from television perspective, the storylines going going going going everything is is going towards wrestlemainia. And from a media perspective. I mean, I know because of my unique perspective, but they're getting ready to to all the press is really starting to wind up and all the appearances and they're getting ready to take over New York City and have takeover in hall of fame and wrestlemainia in raw and smackdown and access and everything is happening while at the same time. Before they they're a month out from this one. And they're ready to announce next years already. It's just there is no rest in the WWE. And I don't know that there's any other organization like it in the world. It's pretty remarkable. Let's talk about what the television has been like in WWE. Let's talk about what the build up to wrestlemainia has been like lately, let's talk about everything that's going on. And let's do it inside this week's state of wrestling. It's now time for this week's state of wrestling here. It is welcome to the state of wrestling. My God, if you could see what I'm looking at right now, if you could see I mean, I can't I just got up from the studio for a moment and everywhere around me that's not directly in camera shot looks like a bomb went off. I can't walk anywhere because the whole place is getting reorganized. But as far as you can see for those of you that are seeing everything I think looks hunky Dory. But. It's basically just this camera shot that is not a complete wreck in this place as I reorganized the entire not Sam studio if you wanna see everything that's in this camera shot. Of course, you're sitting there going like, it's a podcast. What do you mean? See you can actually watch the state of wrestling every single week. You can either do it live as I record. Or we keep the veto the videos up in their entirety, and you can watch them after I've recorded them over on the patriot page if you're not Sam shell at patriotair dot com slash not Sam wrestling, the only place to get the full video version of the state of wrestling both live and recorded every single week. So you know, what we do here in the state of wrestling, we break down the top five stories the week, according to yours truly the last professional broadcaster Sam Roberts in the world of professional wrestling. And we start with story number five and that is this week Tory. Wilson going into the hall of fame I love I love the hall of fame weeks. I love wrestlemainia season. Because every single week every Monday or Tuesday, we've got another big announcement. Now, Tori Wilson was heavily rumored. I think those rumors I started to see them pop up on the internet on like Thursday or Friday, but the official announcement. I believe was Monday. I wanna say that Tori Wilson is going into the hall of fame. Of course, a lot of times only one woman goes into the hall of fame because each year because of the induction we've now got China and Tori Wilson both going into the hall of fame. And there is some controversy. You know, and I think this happens every year there are people who think that Tori Wilson is not hall of fame worthy. You know, the way the WWE hall of fame works is that if you made an impact in WWE if you did things in your career that make it? So that years later people still talk about you your hall of fame worthy. You know, the hall of fame is not in the mount Rushmore. Of professional wrestling. There's not four spots. There's however many spots every single year. And granted there are some people that you go why aren't they in? And why is this person in baba at the end of the day the class has to look a certain way each year. Right. You can't just sit there and go. Well, you know, the first class is going to be Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart and undertaker and stone cold in the rock. It's like, you know, we need. I liked the way it's you know, I liked it goes down the list. There is a spot for somebody like CoCo beware to be in the WWE hall of fame that there is a spot for somebody like hillbilly Jim to be in the hall of fame. These are people that necessarily would be, you know, first ballot headline candidates, but. They fill the box. They served a purpose. There was a role for them in the WWE the WWE is this conglomeration of all these moving parts, and I think all the moving parts, especially the moving parts that are on air should be rewarded and somebody like, Tori Wilson at the end of the day. When you talk about the final years of WCW. And the years that followed that in WWE when you talk about the real divas era of WWE, whether you like the divas era or not it was an era, and Tori Wilson was a huge part of that era. You know, I mean, she was she did the playboy spread that mainly mainstream star. And then of course, when she left wrestling, she became a mainstream star. She's are you going to sit there and go like, oh, let's watch the classic Tori Wilson matches of all time Nell. But who doesn't remember, Al Wilson? I think is first name was Al Tori, Wilson's dad. Who doesn't remember the dawn Marie, Tori? Wilson rivalry on smackdown. And that's the thing. Right. Wrestling is sports entertainment. Tori Wilson was a hell of an athlete. I think torii Wilson is probably more athletic than I know she's more athletic than me. She's probably more than most of us. They're listening to this podcast right now. But at the end of the day her major contributions in the world of wrestling were in the form of entertainment, and that counts too. Same thing for honky tonk man, really, I know he was the greatest intercontinental champion of all time. But what's your favorite honkytonk man match? His reign is remembered, but remember any specific matches per se. Maybe not, but he was a hell of entertainer. He is a guy that everybody who was watching wrestling in the nineteen eighties remembers, you always remember, the honky tonk man, you remember these larger than life personalities and everybody that was watching wrestling when Tori Wilson was a part of the WWE remembers Torey Wilson. And that's why to me she's absolutely hall of fame worthy. There's a lot of people that are hall of fame worthy. That's why every year we get to induct more people. We could just get the top of the top of that heap and induct them all in one shot. But guess what? That would make it difficult to make this a yearly tradition. So you know, and keep in mind too. We're talking about the WWE hall of fame. We're not talking about a hall of fame. That's based on a batting averages. Right. There isn't a set and some people talk about the WWE creating one. But it doesn't make sense. It's not the way. Wrestling works. It's not the way WWE works. There's not this set of new Merrick's that you can play somebody against and say, okay, if they have a certain number of wins and losses a certain number of title, victories, a certain number of years served a certain number of whatever that makes them hall of fame worthy. I mean at the end of the day if somebody wrestles three matches, and they're the most three memorable matches of all time that field hall of fame worthy to me. I mean, there's the celebrity wing and people, and that's the other thing people complain about the celebrity wing. I don't think we should be complaining about the WWE hall of fame. Everybody that's meant to go in at especially now at this point will go in. There was a time when people were getting ignored right? But I think the ultimate warrior many Bruno Sammartino before him Broussais Martino is probably the one that changed all that. When every year you've got guys like Bruno San Martino ultimate warrior, Jeff Jarrett, China honkytonk, man, when you've got people that everybody said, you know, they'll never be in the hall of fame. They're blackballed from WWE. I could see that as being complete like look Jeff Jarrett can't get in the hall of fame. But so and so can okay ultimate warrior can't get in the hall of fame. But Koby wear can okay. Even Randy savage who unfortunately went into late, but still went in. We're not really I don't think living in time anymore where we're running a risk of certain people not getting in. It's just a matter of when. So I would say anybody that's riled up about the decision to put Torey Wilson in the hall of fame needs to take it easy because it's tough to argue. Right. She made a pretty big impact on the divas division. WWE? We still talk about her. We still talk about her. And we're still talking about her. I believe that makes her hall of fame worthy. So congratulations to Tori. Wilson some bad news, Tori Wilson going into the hall of fame. Great news story, number four, horrible news. Tomaso ciampa gets called up to the main roster. All of a sudden after what was it two weeks? Maybe. Gargano chomping disappear. Have you watched WBZ TV this week, the NFC call up story the shakeup that happened? The halftime heat crew that got brought to the main roster. It went from four to two Gano and ciampa nowhere to be found over the last two or three weeks. And we find out now that we're recording this on a Wednesday Thursday, which is the day. The show actually comes out ciampa is going in for next surgery. He's got some kind of neck injury. He's going in for surgery. And it could mean that he's going to be out for some time. Which would mean that that next title? I would think may take an off of them. Then not in a match. I think that he may have to vacate the championship. Now, I feel like over the last year Tomasz, oh ciampa has brought the idea of right? Alright annex t and the NFC championship to a whole 'nother level, I think that at a time when some people thought that an XT had already seen its peak. There were people who thought that the best days of next he were behind it when he'd lost the majority of the class that included fin ballor, and Kevin Owens and Bailey and Sasha banks, and Charlotte and Tyler breeze and Sammy's AIn when all these guys and girls leave annex t there were a lot of people that thought at kind of it for an XT. You know, they're gonna have to bring in some star power now and try to put together some hyped up Indy matches whatever you can do. But you know, what happened and exte-? Regrouped used power from the Indies as well as homegrown power. And by the way, took power from the Indies and tweaked it and developed it, you know, I would say that the tomato ciampa that you CNN XT bears very little resemblance to the Tomasz. Oh, ciampa that was on the Indies before getting to annex t. And they created. Certainly the best t ever. I mean, the NFC in the last year the next twenty eighteen now going into twenty nineteen is the best NS t has ever been. And quite frankly, I believe in twenty eighteen annex t was the wrestling organization promotion, whatever you wanna call it brand. That was putting on the best wrestling shows anywhere that includes new Japan, so Sumi, please don't actually sue me. I don't have much, but and a lot of that was was because of tomato ciampa and also Johnny Gargano. Who knows what this means for tomorrow Champa? I mean, you have to sit there and go does this mean that his legacy? Is the last year? Because quite frankly, if he when he comes back first of all who knows if he comes back, maybe doesn't come back. I don't know what these injuries are like, but if he doesn't come back or if he does come back and he's running at half speed because it is what it is. This is the way the world works. His legacy is going to be what happened in the last year. And quite frankly, the story that he told with Johnny Gargano, and it will go from the formation of DIY. I mean, let's let's keep an honest while the matches that Gargano and ciampa we're having against each other defined annex t in the last year the matches that they had when they were a tag team defined annexed t in that era. People are still talking about the revival versus DIY still to this day. And I'm not talking about the revival versus DIY match that we saw on raw couple of weeks ago. I'm talking about the revival DIY match that was on takeover a couple years ago. Okay. So they were stealing the show is tag team. Then they split up, and they created one of these storylines that I believe in one of the rivalries that people will simply talk about forever in that exte- Gorgon overseas. Ciampa it will define this era that we live in right now and thinking we a long time before any series of matches in any rivalry in t- beats what we saw quite frankly, a lot of people we saw three Gorgon overseas ciampa matches. There were a lot of people that said I wish we weren't having so many I wish these matches were split up a little bit. I wish that we had one match now. And then we waited years before the next one. Thank god. We had the match is when we did. You know, and maybe I'm jumping to conclusions. Maybe I sound like a Debbie Downer with this Tomasz, oh ciampa thing. But it really is a bummer. Who knows maybe who knows? Maybe you'll go under though do surgery on his neck, though, realize this isn't that bad and he'll be back into weeks. Who knows maybe this will all be baloney? But maybe it'd be a lot longer than two weeks. And that's a real shame. Not only for Gano. But for I mean, not only for ciampa. But for Ghana is. Well, you know, I mean, it's it's really lousy timing as the Gano ciampa story was just starting to move into the next phase. And these two were making a major splash on the main roster to see something like this happen. I can only hope for very very successful neck surgery for Tomasz. Oh, ciampa and. Hopefully, he's back really really really soon because he's just such an asset to WWE and to annex t his jet. There's nobody like him right now. And I just I just think the world of him. So hopefully, he'll be back soon. And and or at least we'll get some details into what this is gonna look like as we look towards the future of tomorrow. So ciampa story number three on this week state of wrestling. It went down on Monday night, raw we got the official shield reunion. It seems like Roman reigns. Is back full force ready to jump right back into things. And I think this is a chain Roman reigns. The gratitude that he's displaying his real life. It feels like real life, smells, like real life. It's it's got the essence of real life. You know, it it. He comes across as a different guy after going through what he went through. And I I would. Imagine that going through what he went through would leave you a different guy. You know? I would imagine that. That's that that's natural. But I think it's forced you know, you talk about phases in Evelyn's. I think it's forced Roman reigns. To evolve into the superstar that he always kind of wanted to be because he probably now is much as he knew before. Now really knows. There's no second chances. No such thing as second chances. We have to make this happen now. So I love seeing Roman reigns right now. And what he's doing the? She'll reunion went down on raw. Seth Rollins dean Ambrose and Roman reigns. Dean Ambrose put his fist back in. I've gotta tell you. It makes absolutely no sense. To me. I understand they wanna get one more shield match in if Ambrose leaving WWE as the internet says he is in as WWE say he was Michael Goldenrod this week said D numbers leaving WWE. If Ambrose is really leaving. I guess I understand WWE wanting to get in one last shield. Reunion, but dean Ambrose turn on Seth Rollins for. No apparent reason on the night, the Roman reigns announced that he had to leave WWE because of leukemia because he had leukemia. It's one of it could go down. Really if you just look at the one incident. Right. Not everything that followed it because quite frankly, most of what followed it was a letdown. But if you look at the one incident. You gotta believe that's one of the most evil turns in the history of betrayals in WWE. That's I mean, the brutality of leaving your brother, quote, unquote, when your other brother announces that he has this cancer. I doesn't get much more evil than that. Especially when you never really get a justifiable explanation as to why that happened. I don't understand why the shield is is forgiving dean Ambrose for his sins. And I don't know if he's making the choice to leave just leave. I I don't I don't know it just doesn't. It doesn't do it for me. I would rather see Dina and Roman reigns. Kick the crap out of I mean, Seth rounds and Roman reigns. Kick the crap out of dean Ambrose because he's screwed up. You know? Roman reigns. Should come back and have Seth Rollins back for having to deal with dean Ambrose in his time gone. But instead. We're just the band back together one more time, and it feels like we're going back to the well, you know, I just don't I can't say that. I understand it all that much. What I do understand is what else happened on raw. And that gets to my story of the week number two, which is the Ronda Rousey segment now, it does also seem abrupt that Becky Lynch is back in the title picture. And she's now got this match lane with Charlotte where if she beats Charlotte, she's in the wrestlemainia match if she loses she's outta wrestlemainia for sure for sure for sure no more complaining. No, more bellyaching. No more arguing about no ifs, ands, or buts. Becky, Lynch goes home. You know, I loved what Ronda Rousey did Ronda Rousey told the truth on raw, Ronda Rousey acknowledged the fact that look. Core. WWE fans are booing Ronda Rousey, hard-core WWE fans after last year's wrestlemainia hardcore WWE fans were on Ronda Rousey side. Everybody in New Orleans which cheering Ronda Rousey, even if they walked into the match skeptical because she had proven herself and sometime between now. And then that's been lost. The WWE universe is heart was stolen by Becky Lynch. And in that process, they decided to kinda give up on being supportive of Ronda Rousey, it was almost like in the beginning. They said this is great Ronda Rousey is really taking this seriously. But then so fast, it became what have you done for me lately that I don't know with Rhonda Rousey knew what hitter. So I loved that. Ronda Rousey, went out on raw. And and said screw you to the fans and just said look like enough of all this nonsense in me trying to be happy to be here. In everything. I'm the biggest star in the company. She said it without saying Ronda Rousey is the biggest star in the company WWE is lucky to have her. And so the idea that she's got to put up with nonsense on Twitter. From the people that she shares a locker room with what she did on raw was what everybody had to deal with Twitter. Trolls has fantasized about doing Becky Lynn was bothering her on social media. And Ronda Rousey went to the ring and pummeled her as Rhonda Rousey should do. If you go after Ronda Rousey on social media. She should cram her fist down your throat. And my God. Did it look real what she was doing? Becky lynn. It looked fantastic. It looked real it looked justified. And it reminded everybody run around. He's not a joke. Ronda Rousey is here for real to do this thing. So let's do this thing. I thought it was great. I thought Rhonda did a great job. It was some of her best work so far. I love the new dynamic of where all this is going. And I think it was I think it was very very justified. All right. Let's get to it. Let's get to the fast lane preview story number one fastlane coming up this Sunday. I'll be there in Cleveland to be a part of the kickoff show. Once again, I can't believe they keep asking me back. But. I don't know. I think I'm just gonna keep saying exactly how I feel on those kickoff shows and hoping that they just keep inviting me back who knows who knows fingers crossed though because this is looking like a doozy. I was thinking about this just today after rod smackdown because I went into this week going. Okay. We're kind of on thin ice with fastlane not thin ice. But shaky ground in the sense that I don't know if we've established the strongest stories in the world for every match, but looking at the card now after the work that was done on raw and smackdown. This is significant cart. There's a lot going on here on fastlane this week. And I'm pretty excited about it. I'm pretty excited about the pay per view. We found out that Ramos stereo in and draw are going to be on the pre show ravers. Andrey is the pre show match. I was really happy to see Lena Vega without the Frankenstein or the Hudek Alana. On smackdown this week onto our truth, by the way, kind of surprised that our truth lost the US championship so quickly. I enjoy our troops antics, very very much, very very much. You know, I love the idea of Samoa Joe being champion. And I like the idea of the championship not just being there. So that our truth can have fun with it. But I really enjoyed our true champion short-lived is it was I like hearing our truth come out and talk about his idol John CENA that he looked up to his kid. I love all that stuff. But I believe in drought versus Ramos stereo. Those two men will have one goal in mind. That's steal the show. I think that this match should be a wrestlemainia match. Not. I think that's what they should use this pre show for the WWE used this pre show to sell people on the idea that Ramos stereo versus Andrey is one of the best matches available today in WWE. And I think they should really put some stipulations on this and bring these two wrestlemainia and not have them wrestle on the pre show had them wrestle on the main main. You know, I think that watching these two in front of a stadium full of people in the middle of wrestlemainia show. I think it would bring out the best in each other. And I think it would make stars. I mean, Ramos Tyrian, you know, Ramey studios. His biggest stars you're gonna get in wrestling right now. But I think it would remind people and really shocked people and how good he still is. And then make star out of Android leave wrestlemainia with people going Ramos Terio stills has still got it one hundred percent and my God what about Android? What about Andretti? You know? I think there's pre show match could very well steal the show. I think it's going to be great. You got a lot of titles on the line here. You got the raw tag team championship on the line triple threat the revival versus two black and Ricky shavers. Chad gave him and Bobby rude like to Chad Gable and Bobby ruder showing a little bit attitude. But quite honestly. This match to me comes down to the revival and Alastair black and Ricky shea Alastair black and ricochet. I mean, if they never lose a match as a tag team. I would be okay with it. I just I just think they're the best when that music kicks on when I find out that they're going to be in a tag match together on raw smackdown. I get excited for it. There's not that many teams, you know, we get exposed to the product so much. There's so much wrestling on TV that there's not that many guys that you get excited just to see them whatever matches happening right now. If that person is involved, I'm excited I'm excited when Allister black and ricochet come out as a team it excites me at the same time. I'm not ready to see the revival lose the raw tag team championship. You know? I think that they're great. But here's probably what I would like to see I would like to see Alison black and ricochet win the raw tag team championship. I think it would shock a lot of people. And I think it would make a very bold statement that these. Guys that just came up are the real deal. So I'd love to see them win the raw tag team title. I would also like to see it happen in such a way where it results in the revival wanting their rematch, and I would love to see the revival chasing Alastair black and ricochet in t two on two tag team match at wrestlemainia. Let's have the rematch at wrestlemainia itself and see and let the revival and Allison ricochet just tear the house down 'cause they have the ability to tear down MetLife stadium. But I think the best case scenario for that would be if Alastair black ricochet shocked the world fast-lane and walked out the raw tag team champions of the world. You've also got the women's taking championship on the line. I believe this is the first title defense of the women's tag team championship Sasha banks Bailey versus Niger into Meena. I think that the women's tag team championship needs some significant establishing. You know, I think it really needs to be built up as a as a true prize. I think that coming out of this match. Whoever wins should be defending the women's tag team championship on raw and smackdown on a regular basis. I mean, maybe every show for a little while, you know, in really get some victories. There's near needs to be a lot of title the fences. The issue is the last title that was introduced I think was the universal championship. And the universal championship is like, you know, half the time it's not even in the conversation because more often than not Brock Lessner is the champ. And he's barely on TV. Before that Goldberg was the champion barely on TV before that Kevin Owens was the champ. And he was like a bad guy champion. So there's really not a lot of legacy. That's been established for that universal championship. I think that that has to change for the women's tag team championship and women's tag team championship needs to be defended constantly, and really let's build up a desire for it. So by the time, we get to wrestlemainia if you don't build up the titles as a major major major prize. Then I don't think you're gonna care enough to want to see your favorite team win those titles. We have to want those titles for a team. And maybe that means Sasha in Bailey need to lose the titles. So they can win them back. But I do think that. This is the moment that we need to really start building up those those tag titles, and maybe that'll happen fast. You've also got the smackdown tag team championship. Three all three tag team titles are on the line. You got the smackdown tag team championship? It's the mizzen. Shane McMahon challenging the use os. Of course, the MRs dad is going to be at ringside at this point in the MRs life. I don't know why need his dad's approval so much body wanted. He's looking for it. And God bless him for it. I'm I'm hoping you win again, I don't exaggerate when I say, I think that the use os are the best tag team of the last decade. I think they're promos are great. I think they're matches are great. You know? I love them on smackdown. This week. I just they're a team that feels like they keep evolving they keep coming up with new stuff. And they're a team that I get excited when that music plays, and they come out and grab microphones or get ready for a match or whatever it is. I get excited. I wanna see what the sows have for me this week. So I'd like that that continue like it to continue with the use os as the smackdown tag team champions. Of course, you got the big triple a six man tag match, which is the shield Ambrose Roman reigns and set Rollins versus Barron. Corbin drew McIntyre and Bobby Lashley. I can't picture the shield losing. This is Roman reigns. Triumphant comeback. And I think you know, I was talking earlier about how I'm not sure why this is even happening. I think part of it might be that they cannot confuse the audience the WWE cannot afford to infuse the audience and make them think that Roman reigns is the biggest star in the company. I think if you've Roman reigns going solo, then all of a sudden, you know, the last thing you in the world that you wanna do is take any luster away from Seth Rollins. Seth Rollins is your guy going into wrestlemainia in a match with Roman with Brock listener. I mean that could have been frightens Freudian slip unless you change it. Seth Rollins is the one that's getting that match. Seth rounds is the one that won the Royal rumble. So. You know, you have to. Keep the idea of Seth Rollins being the top good guy in the company alive without making it. So that you know Roman reigns is. Anything less than that? I I don't think at this point. You know, even before Roman reigns. Went away. It would have been tough to not take Roman reigns. As the top guy in the company. But now that he's come back now that he's even a bear hero than he ever was before. I think it's damn near impossible. So I think WWE is doing is setting up a match like this where we can have the Roman reigns moment. And we don't have to worry about him over shadowing Seth Rollins because they're on the same team. So any any shine on Roman reigns is shine on south Rollins? And I think that's necessary. I yes, I would think that they the shield will win this match unless a they're gonna have dean Ambrose turn on them again, which would be crazy possible or be digging to set something up for Roman reigns at wrestlemainia. But I would imagine. They'll be a lot of people tuning into sea Roman reigns. Back in the ring for the first time since having leukemia, and they're gonna want the moment of Roman reigns. Hands being raised in the air and truly showing somebody who has triumphed over this horrible, horrible illness. So I would think that shield win. You gotta ask versus Mandy rose a moment. Afraid to say that you know, they smackdown has done a very good job of making Mandy rose seem like a credible opponent Roska and part of that is because ask it hasn't been on TV, and maybe that's by design because they want us to concentrate on Mandy rose. But. The idea of Meinie roses champion, isn't that far fetched? I don't think it'll happen. You know, I'm really hoping that they've been strengthening Mandy rose. So it seems like an accomplishment when Oscar beat beater and between for the next month between now and wrestlemainia they remind us all that Oscar is not one to be messed with. But quite honestly at this point. I wouldn't be shocked if many rose walked out of there with the title. I hope it's Oscar, but I wouldn't be shocked if it went the other way and finally you've got your WWE championship match, Kevin Owens versus Daniel, Bryan. Kevin owns and Daniel Bryan were phenomenal on smackdown. This week that opening segment was incredible. I would love to know when Kevin Owens decided that speaking to people like you're better than them became a cardinal sin. When did Kevin Owens decide that you shouldn't be obnoxious and talk down to people? Because it's all Kevin owns did for a very long time. Nevertheless, I think that their great rivals. You know, I mean. I mean, it goes back to ring of honor days Watson, these guys on the independence. Have you told me that the pay per view before wrestlemainia would be Kevin Steen versus Bryan Danielson for the WWE championship several years ago. I tell you you were crazy, but it'd be excited about it. And that's how I'm feeling right now. I just think it's so cool that these are the guys I do think that Kofi Kingston, and you know, some people were wondering why would you take Kofi? Are you the biggest good guy on smackdown for sure right now? And. Take him off the show. Why would this week? Why would you have coffee in India when everybody wants to see Kofi Kingston? And you know, I think that the answer is because we are going for this match with Kevin Owens, we want people to forget about Kofi Kingston, very very temporarily. But I got a feeling that Daniel Bryan, walks out of this match still the champion and Kofi Kingston steps forward and takes that wrestlemanias spot. I think the world wants to see the only reason why the WWE universe is in the Kevin owns Daniel Bryan matches because the WWE universe is expecting a Kofi Kingston Daniel, Bryan WWE championship wrestlemainia match. And I think WWE gotta do the make good. I think that this is the introduction to that. You know, I think it's gonna be a fun show. I'm really really looking forward to it. I think it's gonna be good. Don't forget to head on over to patriot dot com slash not Sam wrestling and. And be a part of what we're doing over there. Video early podcast the whole deal starts at less than a dollar week. 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NLU Podcast, Episode 171: Final Ryder Cup decompression w/ Job Fickett

No Laying Up

1:23:17 hr | 2 years ago

NLU Podcast, Episode 171: Final Ryder Cup decompression w/ Job Fickett

"Feeder right club today. That's better than most. About in is better than most. Expecting thing different guys before we get going here. I have a I. I have a confession to make to everyone. I have been telling you guys about the true golf balls from Callaway the troops chrome offs. And I had actually never tried them before Friday for some reason. So I had these stars and stripes American flag troops, golf balls line all over the house, and I just needed to take out my anger on something. So I went to go beat them around at Tim quantity other day, just hoping to lose all of them. I wanted them out of my sight in before I even got to the golf course. I actually kind of fell in love with troops. I might play exclusively troops now. I don't know. I've kind of thought it would just be weird to not look down at a white golf ball. I'm not going full colored golf balls like bubble yet or anything like that. But the cow, the trove, the troops, chrome sauce. I love how they roll in the green. For some reason, just helps me visualize a line on the greens and they're, they're great to look at when you're hitting iron shots, and I don't know what it is, but I actually. I loved the true. It's got everything you love about the performance of the chrome soft includes the graphing infused, outer core, allowing Khallid engineer incredible feeling ball, low spin off the tee and increased shot stopping spin around the green, and I love on the chip shots. You can actually see the Gulf ball spinning as it lands, so they're available in limited quantities available purchase. They got euro balls to those are the ones that Tron plays and they're for sale online, visit Cala golf dot com. For more info pick up yours. Now let's get to our final Ryder Cup up with job. All right, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no laying up podcast. This is gonna this is it. We're wrapping up the Ryder Cup after this. No more Mercifully. We got a lot of positive feedback from having job on from just doing some bread cut previews and stuff. We kind of rushed out the Ryder Cup, recap podcasts. It was immediate reaction. It was just after live show. We need a chance to fully decompress from what happened last week in France needed a week. Away from it away from the phone for a little while to gather my thoughts marinate. Yeah, calm down a little bit. But job my first question you why? Why did the US lose the twenty eighteen Ryder Cup badly at that? Let me let me clarify that. Why did we get stomped? I just think twelve individuals does not a team make. I think that we had twelve individually very good golfers that for whatever reason, we just haven't figured out the the team gelling aspect yet we still haven't. Maybe the guys genuinely don't like each other as much as the Europeans like each other in that might have something to do with it, but it's just not. It's not a team. It's not a cohesive unit and you can't force it. Apparently. Yeah, I, I just kinda struggle with the idea of playing as a team. I just don't know what that means. Like four ball is for you play your own ball and like, yeah, you have a teammate that also playing their own ball next to you. But foursomes I get that there's kind of like a team weaving in an out Ella. But it's still about just playing good golf like, you can't. I don't know. Maybe it's kind of an environment thing that helps promote good play. That's the that's where I kind of draw the line on what the team aspect of it is, but there is obviously something to it because I think people have said that I've called this the greatest team ever. I don't think that might have to check the table in that. I believe what I said was the greatest collection of talent that we've ever had. And I stand by that. I think that's right. You know, kind of what you said about the even though Gulf is still an individual sport. Even when you're playing as a team, there's something about picking up your teammate. There's something about, you know, rooting teammate on knowing the right thing to say, having the personalities that make you feel comfortable on the golf course. I mean, you know, it's, it's impossible to think that there's not some sort of intangible something that we're just missing and it becomes obvious every time there's. A beat down like this, especially on European soil where the the press conference afterwards us just basically trashing each other in the captain's. I mean, clearly it's Larry. I loved just like the difference in and I don't even remember the twenty twelve press conference afterwards, but twenty fourteen obviously we know what happened with Phil and kind of just slamming Tom Watson along with the whole process sixteen with the Europeans like kinda showed up. I think a little bit drunk. They probably already started drinking and they just like laugh their way through it and just like tip their hat to the US they, it's just interesting to me that. People people are getting all over me for complaining about the course, and we're going to get to this golf course because we have a lot we actually have to cover with this might stink as far as I know only one of the last however many losing teams has taken the stand afterwards and just shredded the golf course. So let's revisit what happened after the twenty sixteen Ryder Cup at Hazeltine. So Rory. When when asked about the setup, ROY said, I hope it has more rough just to say, but that's about it. And he said it was like a little smirk on his face, like I would love to say more about this course at he didn't. Justin Rose, did not hold back setup wise. This course can be as tough as you want it to be. There's no doubt about it. I think today, I think we're all to be honest about it. I thought the setup was incredibly weak of it was very much like a pro-am in terms of pin positions. They were all in the middle, the green. I don't quite understand that to be honest with you world class players, twelve world class players here and twelve world class players here in. He minutes time and we want to showcase our skills. We want to be tested. For example, the waterholes out there. All the pins were far away from the water as possible depend on seventeen was absolute joke. It's a nine hundred in the middle of the green and you stiff it with a match online line. You feel like you have to have something. You want to have a player step up a little bit more than they have to even eighteen if you hit a good drive down there. You've got a wedge in the green. Yeah, the wedge to the middle degree and you're within twelve feet of the pin. So I just felt coming down the stretch a little soft well, got his wish a hundred and eighty degrees in the office. I do think it's funny how we then in two thousand eighteen the US starts throwing shit at each other, not quite in the press conference. Read at least waited till afterwards. And quite I don't know if you had didn't have the opportunity to speak at it or didn't. I heard he was asked the question. The question was asked about breaking up speed and read, and the person who asked the question did not direct it at a person. He said, like either either Jordan or Patrick like, and that's not what you do because. Get you gave speed the opportunity to jump in and take the question not give readers chance to share what he had to say. If you're a grand to the failing New York Times or read ring. New York Times shout out to Karen Krause for forgetting like the these story of the Ryder Cup. We had recorded that that are Rapa podcast before readhead decided to just start slinging. And honestly, like what happened. I had to laugh at it and really get today. It's so special. Like, I, I'm sure I'd purposely not listen to any other Gulf podcast this week one because I just couldn't take anymore Cup stuff in two, I wanted chance to kind of develop my own thoughts on this, but read fully expecting to be paired with speed, and he felt blindsided. He said, when Feerick decided to pair speak with Justin, Thomas who starred with Ricky Fowler and last year's Presidents Cup read is a petulant individual. It's every time that you that you think that he is going to stop taking to the next level. He just like, is who we thought down. It's incredible. And he said the issue is obviously with Jordan, not wanting to play with me. I don't have any issue with Jordan when it comes right down. To it. I don't care if I liked the person paired with or if the person likes me as long as it works, and it sets up the team for success. He and I know how to make each other better. We know how to get the job done. So this is why turncoat Tron has the right idea. We're not a fun team to root for. Let's be transparent about this. I'm not gonna I, I know I said some things week ago that I now somewhat regret, but you know, as far as wishing that I was able to pull for Europe and I really, they are much more fun team to root for their. They look like they're actually enjoying this. But when you see the way that we played see how flat we came out and every session other than the first four ball session, and then you see read and say, stuff like this, and you read the stuff about DJ and Brooks, and it's like, whoa. Like this is not fun like this is not a good team to to try to rally around. There's nothing that gives you kind of hope that they're going to be able to figure it out in the next two years. Right? Not not playing in Europe and then we're going to get to what we think is going to happen in a future Ryder cups here, but like reads done, I thought he might go back with the groups that have worked in the past for for somebody successful in the radical design. I don't think it's smart to sit me twice. He said this after not breaking eighty on his own ball and tiger had to apologize to him tiger. She's like, honestly, he lives in this world of like, he'd think thinking to these things are verifiable like its own little bubble that it's almost like a certain politician that we might not want to name like just everything's Rosie and every trying to paint everything as in this is the situation here, and I'm going to convince everyone, but. Unlike half of the country buying the other politician, nobody's by what redesign, get all know as source told the New York Post. He is so full of shit blindsided my ass. He begged to play with tiger coocher with the throat. I do hope that it is Cooper somebody. We'll get to some of the questions we got to somebody's asking who is the source? All right. Don't ever ask that question. Just don't. No one's going to give up who the sources one and two like searching for the source means we don't get more information like this sources that don't wanna go on the record. Do that for a reason in finding out that source means you don't get this kind of information in the future. So anytime if it comes from somebody, you trust that says, hey, a source told me this. There's a reason why they said a source and not insert name right here, right secretly. We can all kind of try to figure out who the sources but publicly like granted anonymity to speak. Candidly, a sensitive matter. There's a reason why these people do this and we'll love palace intrigue in this country that we want. Reid finished by saying every day I saw leave your egos at the door in referring to the Europeans. They do that better than us. I'm not sure that read knows what the word e. I don't think so either. I think it means what he thinks it me. I don't have the coats now in front of me, but I saw golf dot com had found my Facebook. I think it was Facebook quotes from his mother-in-law that claimed that reach out seventy four on his own ball that day. Yeah. If he picked up, didn't get to eighteen holes what he might have seventy four and had an equitable stroke control. It's hard to put into words how bad he was, and the idea that it was tiger that laid that on him or whatever policy is to him anyways, that source that he would have shot eighty three in his own ball Saturday. He totally screwed tiger. He has no clue how to play team golf. I saw firsthand how bad of a team player. He was eleven players. Understood the concept of team Gulf and only one didn't, unfortunately, that one proved to be too costly for the team to overcome extreme that. Yeah, that's a bit extreme. If you're asked to ask me like the one reason why the US lost the Ryder Cup. I think it's tiger going four. Yeah, that's probably fair. I mean, and it's. Well, we'll talk. I think we should talk about tiger just at length probably because there's it's inexplicable how tiger has been this bad at this event for his entire career. And that's what I've just been pacing around the house for the last couple of days. Like trying to trying to. I noticed a added walls in the Killa. It's not a safe. It was. It was starting to be not be a safe place. The sharp edges around here had all be protected, banging my head up against them. It doesn't like thirteen twenty one and one now or something like that in Cup matches. Right. And it's and some of the losses of been just ugly too. It's like not even really competitive. It wasn't even golf and just like, I don't know. You had to twirls off the first tee like, but it just fate. Yeah. Looking back at it, right. You did. This game was not there. Something was completely totally off. And I know we talked about this cave and again, I'm not. I'm not for PD myself. We're just going to try to cover this pretty comprehensively here, but is interview that he gave after the round on Saturday was weird and slurred and just slow and not sharp the way he delivers words. And maybe we only breakdown Tigers interviews in this way, but it just felt off something was off about him. And it's, I think even he would tell you that there was something not right about him. I think he was tired. I mean, I don't have any reason to suspect it was anything other than just, you know, sometimes after you wouldn't know about this because you don't have a real job anymore. But sometimes after a long week I, you know, I just come home and I'm just like, I just, I just wanna turn my brain off. Yeah, and I think that there was if there had been a week in between the torch championship and the Ryder Cup, we would've seen a slightly more sharp and probably tune tiger than what we actually saw. I think so too. I mean, he was it just didn't make sense though that he won at the end of this crazy exhausting stretch and then showed up played like this. Like that's the part that just doesn't add. I dunno it just there's no way to explain it other than so much of why the US lost just comes down to golf too. We wanna find all of these reasons, and you know this team atmosphere and whatnot, but it's like, dude, number one player in the world can't show up and go one and four. Tiger who's one of the hottest players in the world is climbing. The official world governing at a ridiculous pace. When Owen four books kept went one and two Ricky went what one, three and one or it was not great. What what? What he finished at and that he, he's gonna be one in three. Ricky was quickly the forgotten this Ryder Cup point. Yeah, the the other names in front of them that that played so poorly kind of took away some of the heat off of Ricky too. I don't know. It just is like, I don't think it's easy to say, like all the bombers just couldn't play this course and whatnot. JT's like one of the biggest bombers in the world, and I know that people want to do this correlation causation like he went over and played the French Open and he went over and came back and went four and one, like maybe, yeah, like Phil went over and saw the golf course to. He didn't play in competition, but he played it before the open one of their saw the golf course society fucking hated it and never went back probably dreading having to play. I guess which I don't know. I don't know if Phil really, and we fills recent comments. He made this past week on the course setup and how he said playing won't play tournaments that are like that. I didn't actually hear the audio of it, but I think he's mean, like if this was a golf tournament, a stroke play tournament, like I wouldn't show up and play this tournament on these in these conditions, which he shouldn't. I don't think he was calling. I think he made it abundantly clear with this shenanigans at Shinnecock how he felt developed overwrought setups on golf courses, and but I don't think he meant like that the Ryder Cup was a waste of his time or playing this event was a waste of his time. I don't know, but I don't know how he can go over play that golf course in in the summer come in with the form that he was in and be like, Yep, like I'm a good guy for this team. Like, I'm I'm right for this team. If I had this blind faith and Phil, I just had this feeling that he was going to be able to flip flip the switch and turn it on. He's done it in the last three Ryder cups. And I just thought with how much he's taken on himself. F- with owning the process of forming the team in this whole transformation. I just thought he'd step up or have the wherewithal pull himself back, and I think he did Saturday. I think he told Feerick don't send me out Saturday, probably, right. I mean, just like Sergio, he was never not going to be on the team and Sergio did the thing that Phil probably should have done, which was take a little time on, factually, go, decompress, it's range balls. Try to find something. Sergio came over head a little warm of Portugal and played well and fill him over and didn't play well at all. And you know, fill in his interviews on the fair show back a little while ago. It was like, I'm going to be on the team. I'm going to be on the next one after that. And I'm probably going to be on the team after that. And it's like after this performance dude, I don't know that we really, I think there might be a time for changing of the guard here shortly. Yes, yes and no, because I think like if they go to whistling straights where this is not the things that mattered at golf Nationale won't matter. Maybe he will be. A good fifteen. I don't know. I mean, well, obviously depend on how he's playing and like a lot of different factors. I just this this golf course is ready to do the golf course yet is at time. Let's do. We wanna do Brooks and DJ I because that's the other big development that's happened. Let's do that first golf course. So I promise we will because that needs its own, like maybe separate podcast Brooks DJ this originally came from, I believe Mr. Corrigan the guardian. It's fine to pay well, so I don't. I don't know what's in the article, but it alleges that DJ and kept had to be separated in the European team room on Sunday night of the Ryder Cup. Multiple sources also revealed to golf channel that the incident occurred. Tim Rosa fort on morning drive convert that that this did happen. KEPCO says this week at at a press conference. Gotland the Dustin thing I don't get. There's no fight no argument. He's one of my best friends. I love the kid a death, and we talked on the phone Monday. And yesterday he told me how he thought people like to make a story and run with it. It's not the first time. It's been a new story that isn't true that has gone out as far as the camaraderie, it was fine. It was perfect. The problem is you guys tried to find a reason we lost simple reason is we didn't play good to take on this. Yeah, first of all, do we really believe that Dustin in Brooks had to be separated and we're about to come to blows. I mean, Dustin anything within three feet of him anyways. So I'm not sure that the he was really going to have a problem tried to cross hand punch. He kept on my, yeah. There you go well switched in the middle of the of the kerfuffle when this when this came out, like I tried to get in touch with a couple of guys from the team room and everyone's like, what? What this happened? Like they, nobody was able to confirm if I'm not saying it didn't happen. I mean, if if you know froze Ford has multiple sources or whatever confronted is, did happen if kept because just straight up. Lying. For for content purposes. I hope this happened. Are you kidding me like this? The perfect way to end this Ryder Cup, two players or fighting each other. This is my second take, which is that KEPCO is legitimately sick and tired of people in the media not asking him questions. So he had his people leak the shit out. So that way people would be the media will be forced to come asking questions that he could answer that too, by denying them and continuing to be boring, he should've fed into it. If this is what he wanted feed into it, I love it. No, I think the more like wrestling we can make the Ryder Cup, the better like this. Been supposed to be entertainment purposes that the only entertainment the US has given us. The last like deck accord of century that they've been going to Europe has been this drama that comes after we lose the Ryder Cup, which just happens every frigging time, which is amazing. I mean, it really is, and that's the thing that I regret the most of anything I said leading up to it. I really, I maintain this this team that the US put together and I'd stand behind the captain's picks again, I've stayed away. I thought Phil was gonna be an okay pick that that's the one I could change if I could, but leading up into it. I said, there's no way you can't take them. It's just not realistic. I mean, it's easy to the hindsight thing and everyone just gets on Twitter when Saturday, when they're losing by bunch and says, we should have done this. It's easy to say that, but like there's a process to this thing and if you weren't saying on, you know, back in the beginning of September, Zander Shafi should be on the team then don't say it on that Saturday. Or Sunday, there's and you can make the case for Philby. The right pick, but being utilized completely inappropriately, which is what happened. I mean, in my opinion, why would you send him out on Saturday in the foursomes with front enforce? Sorry on Friday foursomes. I mean, it was just, you know, if you're going to play and play him in four-ball. Yeah, I agree. I do agree leading up to this new United talked and I'd kind of debuted the take that I thought it was easier to hide a player in foursomes and it was four ball. Looking back at that. I think that was a lot more relative to the kind of golf that happened at Hazeltine. And I don't think that's necessarily the case at the golf Nationale. I mean, there was nowhere to hide. I mean, if you're spraying it off the planet, they're like, you're just you're gonna lose in like less than three hours, which is pretty much what the entire US team did. Yeah. I mean, even on the I t you know, you actually, you know if you hit it just a little bit overcook draw just a little bit of politics a little bit here in the water. I mean, there's like, no, you know, like you said, there's nowhere at high. Tide. Yeah, and I thought I and it's not just because the US team got absolutely trounced enforces. I thought Hazeltine was a boring course for four ball. I think there just wasn't a lot of interesting elements to it. I thought the golf Nationale was interesting for four ball. I thought it was fun. It was kind of like, all right, he's out of this whole. He's taking these guys on one onto or odors only. It's one on one now. What happens like it was just enough madness going on that it was just it was intriguing to kind of play best ball format. I didn't think it was very fun for foursomes matches weren't good like there was no real good matches and even singles. I thought that just too often way too often holes were decided on the t box which I don't think is good golf, not maybe quite ready, fully ready to get to the golf course yet. But so I agree that sending fill out in forums was kind of crazy. And we, we've heard of some rumblings of like people within team Europe. We're going to look at the pairings of like kind of laughing what the US did and some. I'm wrong. Buttons were pressed and liked the idea of, I think it was Shane, Shane, Ryan on Twitter was saying like Bjorn lured furic into the trap that was a good take. Yeah, like rolled out his best players on Friday morning and then Friday afternoon had some just kind of question Mark pairings and I don't know. I think a lot of pairings are question marks until you try them and like, I don't know if your team Lee, if your team loses. I think it's really like, wow, who pair those two guys that doesn't work, but it's like you don't really have sent out Bubba and web on Saturday afternoon, and they won. They want don't know how this stuff's gonna play. You kinda can look and see. I mean, I know Phil probably went to to Jim. It was like I wanna play with Bryson like, yeah, me and Bryson foursomes good stuff. And you know, if you're if you're Jim furic like, what do you say? No, I don't think that's going to work. I mean, maybe that's what you have to say. If you really honestly believe that. But if if you know you have a guy like Phil, who is we've talked about at length is kind of reach. Shape this process. And he comes to you and says, I think this is the matchup that I really wanna go out and try to prove myself on and try to bring Bryson long and it just didn't work. I mean, like you said, in hindsight, it's kinda easy to look back at and be like that was a bad idea. But you know, it's hard to without knowing what goes into it from a firsthand basis. It's hard to to second guests at the time. I mean it, but I think here's where I think the US is aired in that the pendulum swung too far in the terms of the process, and now the players have too much control over it, and it's way too much feel based and not data-based. I mean, it's easy to kind of and I gave the fifteenth club who are like this, the statistical group that basically consults essentially for European tour on behalf of team Europe or something along those lines. And they come up with these models and be like, this is who you should pair, blah, blah, blah with at cetera. As much as that worked worked in two thousand eighteen. Let me also add that they also help. At the Europeans in two thousand sixteen and they got absolutely trout. So I don't wanna give them too much credit or just be like, this is the blueprint like just do exactly what the euro's do, but there's got to be something to like, hey, yeah, this these, these two guys playing alternate shot. The other makes sense for this reason they might win. They might not, but here's the data points kind of support why these two should go play together. I doubt that that's anything close to what happened on the the US. Like I don't think anybody like any data would be like ope Bubba in web. Those are the two that need to go together and maybe that's personnel like they, they're just kind of roll the dice with these two like each other, somewhat, and they should play good golf together, or these guys talked about, they wanna play together. Let's do that. But I just don't know that there's actual enough thought or the proper thought process that goes into pairing guys for foursomes, whatever they're doing. That work is our last two Ryder cups, thirteen to three in favor of Europe enforces. That's just it's, it's so lopsided that you gotta just think we need to. Whatever, whatever we're doing, blow it up because there's gotta be a better way, and I almost got into seem to do that on Saturday afternoon. It was like, because we had I specifically at the at the Presidents Cup DJ kept guide, played foursomes together and what we had heard that they did not think that they did not want to do that again. Like they just their their styles didn't mesh like you. You might think that they would and they didn't get together for the first three sessions. And then the panic sessions afternoon, they did get paired together. They did not win, but they wanna matches partners and in the Ryder Cup, they've played together, lost loss. And so I think they're just was general panic because leading into it. Like I know I, I'm pretty sure on kept because side like you just like would have preferred not to play with DJ, but it also just goes to and we talked about this in the last pot, but the US players didn't know who was going to be paired with who leading into it, like all the way up 'til Thursday, which seems insane. It does, and maybe it just. Kinda like maybe they kind of had an idea who's going to get paired, but they wanted to figure out what sessions were. What was like, you know that what the Format's going be, you know, maybe they wanted to figure out kind of maybe take a straw poll on Thursday, like who was really playing well, who's seeing their lines and who who's who can we roll out there? And it just didn't. It didn't make a ton of sense. And I don't know, it's it's four ball is I just don't know how much credence to give to the pairings in four-ball, like is, is tiger responsible for read playing poorly. There might be something to that. I think maybe maybe tiger, they've never been able to find a partner for tiger really to play his own ball well, but maybe you don't play tiger and four ball. If that's the case, if Tigers this exhausted, maybe just plays foursomes. Having said that, I don't remember. I remember hitting tiger hitting three shots from the fairway all week. Well, all right. So I need you to kinda help me to with something that I had no insight on, but I've never seen a Twitter reaction. So strong of disdain toward. Broadcast, like there was Friday morning for the Ryder Cup. It was despicable. It was probably it was everything that we roast all the Sunday afternoon broadcast for as far as too many commercials, the same commercials over and over again, bad timing of commercials. I mean, it was. It was like, they forgot that there was a live golf event going on at three o'clock in the morning, and they were just like, well, let's show all the infomercials that we were just gonna show at three o'clock in the morning on golf channel. When we're usually doing, you know, a repeat of whatever it was impossible to get in the flow for the for the commentary crew like you could tell that they were having hard time with it. We didn't see. We saw a lot of opening tee shots and very few shots from like the second hole third hole, and then they would pick it back up again on the fourth hole with the group, and they would be kind of telling us what was going on, but it was the most unified. I think American golf fans fell all week was y. Watching this unfold and we're just like, how? How do you set it up this poorly? I mean, it was it was awful. It was high, honestly, pulled up. The golf channel mentions just to see it. I want to see exactly how bad it was. Oh, my God, it was. I've never seen a company get lit up so badly and people. I know we beat to death the broadcasting like this is why we do it like if if they don't start feeling pressure in the development from Friday Saturday, from what I understand was way better if they don't start feeling pressure from social media from anything they're going to try to get away with this in like there's a balance to be found with your sponsors and advertising and all that stuff like you have to make money this how all this stuff works were not forgoing that, but there's ways to be creative about it and there's ways to present your product so that people still want to watch it and not want to give you a middle finger what you treated fans to that woke up at three o'clock in the morning. It pissed me off. I have to watch it. And I was like. It was very upset. It was. Yeah, it was a visceral reaction. I mean, for me, you know, I'm a junkie. I'm gonna be up to watch it anyways. There was no way that I was not going to watch it. But I, you know, I tweeted out a text message exchange the head with one of my good friends who is a casual Gulf fan, watches the majors. And you know, occasionally watch us on afternoon. I said, hey, dude, Ryder Cup like this big. It's gonna be awesome and he's like three clock in the morning, but he's a new dad. So he's like, I'll probably be up anyways. He's wide awake at three o'clock in the morning texting me and saying, I cannot watch broadcasts. As the word you watch was used was unwatchable and for casual golf fans, you know the, the people who your quote unquote trying to grow the game too. You know it. It was like you said it was a middle finger to the entire group of people that was up on the east coast, the United States trying to watch it. It was horrible. Sixteen golf balls are in play during this time and they couldn't keep up with these matches. How do I supposed to have faith and anybody to present a golf product? If this is the, this would be easy. Est event to do. There were no playing through commercials until Saturday. I mean they didn't. I don't think they did once on Friday. Even during the, you know, the morning broadcast the after six am broadcast. And it was the same ads over and over again. It was a stupid flex seal guy. I mean, it's just like give them any more publicity than they've already gotten. I don't want to hear it. It won't believe that out. Yeah. Nobody, it's and they try and I get the the kind of, well, we were frontloading commercially if that's the case, that was not. Well, I was going to say that is never the case. There's always an frontloading commercials means like, all right, during this portion of the beginning, we're going to air a ton more and then just air the normal amount on the back end. But it's not like it's not like a stroke event where you can air a bunch of commercials on the front end because it's in early holes and it's not really gonna impact. This is like, you know, when when teas often you see the first whole plow and then you don't see him again until the fourth or fifth hole, and you're like, okay, there to down. It's like, how did that has very important, right? We talk about this particular vent, like for two straight years, show us the data show off shot. And that was honestly, I know I remember how bad the the reaction was pretty bad too. In two thousand sixteen that first session was so bad with commercials. I remember thinking like I got a very last minute offer together. I was like, dude, I bet on there's going to be a shitload a commercials. And it's going to be a shitty viewing experience like I might have to go over there just to be able to actually understand what's going on and man like every single time they try to tweet a highlight just like, oh, well, we miss this because you guys are in commercial. It's it's man. I mean, we have to keep the pressure on them. I'm serious like the the in. And if it's anything like profession, like normal Gulf tour, we give probably CBS and NBC too much shit and more blame needs to go to. The PGA tour is a tour dictate so much of how that is. They sell the rights for so much money that these companies are kind of hamstrung in terms of and they need to sell so many ads spots to be able to make a profit of it. Bob LA, probably some of the same blame goes to PJ of America. This event is turn just in this one, huge insane corporate outing and this huge behemoth of a, it's basically like a corporation this, yeah, and I'm I guarantee golf channel. NBC has to pay so much money to broadcast this that it's like, all right. We need all these commercials to be able to make this justify. There's just got to be a better way. All their does. There's gotta definitely does because when you have people that are turning it off and the saying, like I don't. I'm not even able to watch enough golf to understand what's going on here. Why am I up at three o'clock in the morning watching this? Yeah. Yeah, it's it's tough. Are ready to the golf course yet. Let's do it. Okay. So people typewriter, tired of hearing me talk about the golf course and whatnot. You're kind of golf course architecture guy. He could say, but what is what did you think of the golf Nationale in how played for this event? It's a better strokeplay course than that's been my. My only prayer prior experience with has been watching the French Open and it's a better strokeplay courses still not a good golf course. I think that from a fan perspective, like from a fan viewing perspective on the grounds and maybe you can speak to this a little bit because you were there. It's probably a pretty awesome place to watch golf. If you're on the grounds because of the stadium atmosphere. The fact that you know they dug out these big lakes and used the dredged earth to build up these big mounds, but it's as a match play golf course. It just wasn't all that fun to watch the threes or really monotonous. There weren't that many half par holes. They only set up. I think one driveable par four. And there was a really a whole lot of trouble around it as a six hole, and it was just kinda like everybody's gonna bomb. There was no risk and reward for it, and I just didn't think it produced the kind of drama. I mean, it's easy to say this as a fan of the Americans, but I just didn't really think it produced great matches overall, just kind of a kind of a blog off course, and but when you. Say, sums not a great match, by course, what does that mean? Like have in my definition my head, but what does that mean to you? I will. I think, with matchplay course you wanna see a lot half par holes because again, part doesn't matter. And it doesn't matter if if the guys are holing or having holes with threes on a par five, that might be okay if it was a really kind of like a five hundred twenty art hole where you gotta have a second shot force carry over water, and there's a are roic aspect trying to play it. But for you know, for the kind of golf course that it was and it didn't really. It's hard to say that it didn't produce a lot of a lot of fireworks. I guess you could say. I mean, that was really the the part that I was looking for was you know something that was just kind of, you know, fireworks and excitement, and it just really wasn't all that exciting to watch. Well, if I look at, I look at like some like the second hall par-three and most of the days it played pretty long like five or six iron to back left pin. It is the one day that I think of and he's up water all left. It's almost it's not an island green, but there's just the question that just kept being asked was, can you hit it right here like the? Can you do this? Hit the ball right here and you've got, I guy could step up, hit the ball in the water, and that doesn't change your situation at all. Like you still the question still, I've got hit the ball right to this spot or else. I'm in trouble. I think it's a lot more intriguing. If like, say that green talk that pin back left, protect the front that left with the water. That's fine. But there's a green, a bigger Greenspace in the first guy steps up and hits it to thirty five feet to the safe part of the green. The question is being asked to the next guy is a good one. That's all right. Do you want to try to take that pin onto get closer that guy, or do you wanna fall the safe route and go there? And there just wasn't any element to that. There wasn't like a what? What kind of risks shut take on to do this? It's like, no, this is just a really hard shot that I have to step up hit. Right. And we see so much of that on this golf course because precisely of the way that it's kind of design. Signed with, like I said, the the water features, water hazards. There's just so many force carries on the par-threes. You look at every single par-three like, oh, it's it's the same whole again and early in the morning, especially in kind of the colder weather on day to where we saw a bunch of guys hitting it in the water on number two. And you know, we have. We finally got to see some golf shots on the second hole on on day two, and most of them were a lot of them are going in the water. They were bailing out way right into the bunkers that right of the green. And none of that is the excitement factor that you kind of hope for in a matchplay course. Yeah. And it's just like, and what I also says like this, this whole golf course just kept testing the skill of can you hit it too? Right here. There was not any strategy really to the golf course, and I know that. This is kinda where it's hard to not sound like extremely sour about it, but I'm like, listen, European tour can do whatever they want with golf course. Like you are the home team, the US set it up very favorable to themselves at Hazeltine European tour. They're playing chess while US plan. Checkers went to a golf course that benefited their style play, and they had guys ready to play that golf course where the US aired is the had guys show up that looked like they'd never seen the course look like they didn't spend three four days practicing at this course all week. Look like he's still hadn't figured out the green speeds on Sunday and they just didn't prepare well for this golf course, and they needed a different mentality to play it. But it's just a golf course that totally neutralizes distance is not good. Like yes, the PGA tour courses lean too far in benefits guys. Just bomb it. And or what I've always said is the issue I have with PGA tour setups is when guys can take driver to eliminate trouble and it's an easier shot with driver. That's not good design, but a golf course for you. Just also can't take driver just because it's not no Don literally, no fairway to hit it to, you know, ROY. But the same goes yes or more guys on the US side that kind of specialize in that style of play. But like ROY, macaroni two and three and was hitting irons off par-five that's not good. That's not good like, but it all goes back to my overall point of how the US said, a incredible collection of talent and go back to when Mark birdie came on the podcast at wore them all Nari Francesca's brother obviously had said something to them, like if you were, if an Amador don't let the don't take this literally. I'm not saying the Europeans are Amador's in the US team has pros. If you have a professional golfer, an amateur golfer, and you want to square off against each other on a one whole battle with the Amador golfer, choose a twenty foot putt or two hundred yard par. Three. Choose to like you have the further away you get from the whole, the more highly skilled player just has a better advantage when you take that advantage away from, I still believe is crazy. Sound is buttered as as the European Gulf ends are going to be about this. I still had better talent. Like I think all the data supports that now that doesn't mean anything. If you don't go play this golf course again, the Europeans had every right to do this. I'm not knocking that, and it's just it's just the way it is. They were smart in the setup and it neutralize the US top players. So as much as we want to break down the pairings and you know, they just didn't. Dustin can't shop and go one and four tire can't go and four Bryson was very easy. Captain's pick. I don't know a a formula that you can't take Bryce Ryan. I think if your biggest mistake probably not letting Bryson plays on ball, like if anyone that needs to play their own ball, it's probably pricing. But aside from that, like you just can't have your top players go out and all post losing records aside from JT and and speed and. Webb Simpson at a winning record and I, we were, I was actually up to them like, dude, I'm Reid with web on this in this event. I was ready for that and he played graded playboy and he looked interested. I mean, that was the other thing that I just couldn't help. But notice what the US team is at certain points just look, kinda disinterested. They flag just not really in, you know, had no inspiration to try to try to go out and play well, but I think it can be it's not everything has to be to the extremes and everyone just wants to be. I'm not proposing that there should be no punishment for failure of accuracy off the tee. But what Phil said about the setup this week, it was actually pretty. Interestingly said, Ben Hogan had a five degree, the greatest ball-striker all time and like a five degree radius of error, whatever. And like with as far as these guys hit it now you can't have sixteen yard wide fair. That's not golf. I'm sorry to completely eliminate the idea of a recovery. What's the? I remember. One good recovery shot Rory like from the water hazard. Yeah. And that was I think, in four-ball when shoddy probably wouldn't have tried in singles or alternate-shot show was incredible. And on how can you play entire vent where it's like our hinder of punch back out in the fairway. Is that fun? Was that exciting? Is that do you want holes decide on the t. I don't, regardless of what the perfect example that was the eighteenth hole in singles in the ROY JT man, which I mean, obviously ROY. Got it really bad break with how that ended up in the bunker. And I mean, just completely plugs always, but that match was deserved a much better ending. Yeah, got it did. But even that shot, I was like, I, I'm sure this wasn't the case does the first ball. I remember landing in a fairway bunker all week. Like there's other ways to challenge guys off the tee than just like ankle deep rough to feed off the fairway and like and kudos to Justin Thomas for taking driver. They're enforcing ROY to take driver. I mean, growing at three would Dow back to three would. I was kind of curious as to why. I didn't even go back to that t- box and understand that tee shot is very, I mean, it's difficult obviously off the tee, but I don't know there's different ways to challenge guys with accuracy and the idea of like narrowing fairways near where you need to hit driver is I like that you look at seventeenth fairway, that whole is a joke. It's four hundred eighty yards. And you could clearly see where the fairway has Ridgely designed to me and where they set it up to what they do. I don't know if they brought it in from the French Open. Maybe they do that on the exact same bring, but then also mowing the rough back total t so it Matt's the ball and the ball sinks. So it's all all ways on these guys ability to hit the fairway off the tee. Is that like no school of golf that is described to is the most interesting shot? Should it be the teashop I guess much bombing. It is a benefit. It's all still about guys. They hit the ball close to the whole as far as Rory hits his biggest weakness, unless several years have been as much play hit it close to the whole close enough to the whole doesn't hit as as close as it used to. I should say. And there was just no element to that. I don't like seeing ROY, be neutralize. I thought Justin Rose is even a little bit neutralized and Rahm just looked completely out of sorts. And I've been fearing that guy on the Ryder Cup for honestly for as soon as he came out on my goal, that's that guy is going to be an issue for us. Robert wanted to Rosemont to and to ROY, went to three a guy that had never won a writer Cup match before he played six Ryder Cup matches and never one one went five, no. I mean, come on, you can't tell me that that that that golf course didn't play in enormous factor in deciding the winner. This event for sure is ignorant in his mad as the Europeans are going to be me for saying this. I believe this those same teams went over to Hazeltine and played the next week. I used to be favored. I the US would win. Now, having said that there's no excuse for the US showing up and playing like that. And knowing that this is where the events you have two years to prepare for this event on this golf course, right? They did not prepare for it. And the Europeans again had every single right to set it up that way and they are playing it smart like they deserve all the credit in the world for that. You can take all the strategic interests out of golf course, but that doesn't mean that they're still not a strategy for playing it. Correct. And we didn't. We didn't for whatever reason come up with the winning strategy for playing the golf course, and it's all cod. The comment that I got the most that just made might me what a bash my head against the wall was your therapist right now. Awesome, because letting you just get all the takes out sitting here, kind of like the the worst one I heard was Europeans calling this a proper golf course guys. You have all of the proper golf course. This is not like a US verse Europe thing like we do this better like you guys do golf courses so much better. You have all the proper golf courses. This isn't one of them that's this is this is this is trying to knock off an American style stadium, golf course, and it came out looking like a like a cheap knockoff. Yes, it really did. And that's what people comparing it to grass was kinda like guys. It was the same way, but that doesn't make it same or seating. Yeah, but it's not nearly the same kind of like soccer pretty good with to it. And there's there's so many elements hundred perception issues with some of the bunkering and round the fairways kind of make it look tighter than it is, and there's a whole lot of visual elements. There's a lot of risk reward that goes into a lot of those holes. It was just not a good advertisement for the golf Nationale like if you're a tourist, and obviously if you're you're not going to France to play golf specifically, but I would look at that golf course now and be like, I have no desire ever play that golf course for any reason. Like I can't. I can't hit those fairways like if these guys can't hit them, why would I want to go play that? Right, and that's where you can make narrow fairways to as long as the rough is playable from there should be an element of like a guy guessing as whether or not the is going to jump whether or not he can get onto green from one ninety with you know, eight iron or whatever they would hit from there. But like there was no, there was none of that intrigue and that's where it just the matches were duds. It wasn't close and having said that it wasn't close at Hazeltine either in this kind of goes to my overall point that I asked caveat about was like, is it good for the Ryder Cup for the home teams to set it up so drastically in their favor. Going back to ninety ninety seven. The home team has won every Radyr Cup except for two thousand four, which Halla Moni tiger and Phil paired together. Chris Riley and fifty year old cabins pick Jay Haas. So how much do you put in setup to that? Probably not a whole lot. Twenty. Twelve was Medina which the US lead ten to six leading the phone around the ten, four at one point collapsed and love actually took a lot of heat for setting up the golf course not American enough quote, unquote, like two thousand eight like zingers cutting down tree limbs for j, b Holmes, and like putting pins all over the middle of the greens because euros were practising to the corners and like taking it to the extreme and like the US wins by a bunch in that one. So what I'm hearing you say all is that we need a neutral arbiter to come in and set up the course welcome. Mike Davis. Welcome to the renter. I was wondering where you go at that. I didn't see that coming. No, but like if they're gonna US going to double down a Hazeltine and make it seventy eight hundred yards. Probably straits me. I'm sorry. It wasn't straits and they're gonna. They're gonna be no rough. And like the US will probably be heavily favored and probably win by lot. We haven't had a lot of good Ryder cups lately. Twenty ten was good. I didn't think Len eagles was like extreme euro set up all the much better team. They're just better team going into that and any golf course they probably would have won on. I think, twenty twelve a great too great teams. I thought to really strong teams and it was really exciting, twenty ten was a sneaky. Good Ryder Cup the the weather kind of neutralize. A lot of a lot of the elements of that golf course, but it wasn't. It was much wider. I mean, the rough there was very thick and it was super wet, but it was just a it set up exciting playing the most neutral setups were probably twenty ten and twenty twelve, I thought, and they were on coincidence the best, right? Yeah, yeah. So. I think there is something to it and that if we're able to find some middle ground and make this event, entertaining the last two cups, not been fun. I mean, it was great. The actually, hey, they needed to set up a dummy proof course for the US just finally win one at Hazeltine. Right? It'd been so long and the Europeans actually seemed fine with that like, all right. Yeah, you guys, you guys needed to win one. We need to give you one, but I don't want to go. I don't know. I don't want to like the Europeans to react again to being overly American set up in twenty twenty and then do the same thing in Italy and twenty twenty two. And it's only it's good entertainment. And that's my take. I again under the current setup. I don't fault the euros at all for how they set it up. But I don't know. I think the problem is the the courses in general just are not just just not good golf courses to to go like. I just wish that there was a way in which you could find. You know some more some more golf courses that are in the sixty eight hundred seventy one hundred yard range that. Would just be more fun to play in matchplay and we're not going to any of those anytime soon on the US side now. And that's again, all goes back to what this event is and you need honestly, I don't know if there's golf courses that can handle European Ryder Cup, not European, just they can handle Ryder Cup crowds, like I wanted Medina. I wanna Hazeltine I went to this one. None of them have been good experiences on the ground like for viewing for following or anything, and they were not. They weren't ready in France. I'm sorry, not they had did not have walked, they need you gotta figure out a way for traffic flow for fans to be able to knock it cut off and stuck in just massive throngs of people waiting for groups, waiting ten minutes for groups to pass from one green to the next and it just the traffic flow is not very good. The toilet situation, not the lines were enormous like it just it's so many people on the ground. So little golf that it's, I'm sorry, it's just not a great viewing experience the Hazeltine and and at the golf Nationale the upcoming writer. Venues for the United States, whistling straights Bethpage back to Hazeltine Olympic club and then congressional. I mean, are do any of those golf courses excite you in any way shape or. No. But I mean, like I mean, like the Ryder Cup is is the golf courses. Don't matter that much about the setting like it's not. It's all play in. It's it's not the same as grinding out around stroke play eighteen holes. So setting up a good feeder for exciting matches should be like the bare minimum, I think, and I don't think the golf national met that test. I mean, that's, that's we got see the eighteenth hole what two three times we maybe maybe four times. I'm not going to defend that golf course. It's, let's get some questions. We we got. We got a decent amount of good ones. Lake Mathur says, don't we? You mean American Gulf Twitter need to stop promoting the hot players before picks are made, and instead promote gulford that actually fit the course for way cups. We have to have accurate dry. Who can putt simple as that fiery would also be good. Yeah, yeah. But like you're gonna not take tiger right. I get fill is like the question Mark pick. He went on to. We lost by six. That wasn't the reason could've made a really good case for Kyle Stanley on this golf course. But are you going to pick constantly over Bryson? How could you like that's the thing is that the the US is hands hand was forced, and the guys that got picked didn't step up and play. You imagine taking like Zander over Bryson having Zehnder go into and be like, we left price and we lost twenty fourteen Ryder Cup because Billy Horsham didn't go. And it's like guys, that's just not. This is not how it works. The only argument I can accept his if you don't fill in the team and you put some accurate straight magical driver that I still don't know who that American is. Honestly, like Kevin, I guess, but him on the team that it helps the pairings fall out better and magically like re doesn't anchor tiger down and it doesn't mean blah, blah blog. It's paired together. That's a huge kind of domino. Effect that you're asking that again, you don't know if that guy's not gonna show up and go and three. I mean, Tony female was not a great fit for this golf course in a lot of people's arguments and I, but I just thought that how female played the course was how DJ and kept go. We're gonna play it right. You can be a bomber and still play golf courses like irons off tees and just kind of keep it. But I think the guys that hit it a long way just cannot fathom having to play that way anymore. Like they just don't want to adjust their entire mindset for one week. JT was able to do it. Tony female was able to do it like. Are not j b homes, they're not like cranked driver left to right every single shot and just wedge on the green. J b Holmes formula works very well on PJ tour DJ in kept his games like translate right, they can his shot. Yes, DJ had success in open championships. I know this is not an open ceviche venue or not, but sil- play like KEPCO has played the European tour. A ton played years on the European tour by the challenge is played a lot of golf courses like this, and he just didn't step up and play the Gulf that needed to be played. And that's kind of what it comes down to all that comes down to. Eventually you just have to play better golf, and if you're not gonna play well, then these are the kind of results that are going to happen along those lines will hardy says, why are people so keen to make excuses for DJ because of his temperament, his world one and yet didn't turn up and seems to be escaping any flack, twenty wins, and one majors the biggest waste of talent in years. And people seem to let it slide because he wins in Hawaii could take a bit harsh a bit, but win. Is I don't ever want to hear that as an argument against player. I know that he probably should have more majors, but like you win twenty minutes by being unbelievably good at golf DJ is simultaneously the least relatable player for an amateur when you watch him four hundred yard drives and he's the most relatable player when you see how his knees quiver over three and four footers. I mean, that's really, it's ultimately comes down to putting for him mostly and we've seen it gone chambers Bay. I mean, you know yet a three footer to win, you know, and I, I was watching the the Gulf you last weekend and I tweeted out this is a dangerous to since for DJ's four feet away and he didn't hit the hole four feet. I mean, you got to be able to make some putts when it matters, especially the short ones. It turns out switching to cross hen right before the event and having never done it before was not great and not the best. I I, he made like twelve footer on four on Fridays and I like sarcastically or are we still worried about this cross hand, turns out one putt was not a very good sample size. To make that take off of. But no, I don't think lease on this end. We're not cutting DJ any slack. I mean, he's behind tiger. I tweeted this on Sunday. Our biggest disappointment was aside from tiger was DJ. I mean, won't point in the world. Losing four matches. We're not gonna win your flat out, not gonna win the Ryder Cup of that happen. So. Michael Frazier s are Jordan's struggles single struggles due to a lack of motivation, or is there something about his game that doesn't translate to match play? I don't. I don't listen. I love the way the questions phrase I would just ask it like, what are Jordan's? Radyr Cup struggle or Ryder Cup presents Cup, singles, struggles, Owen, six, pretty big sample size. I don't know what it is. I don't either. It's weird is weird. I mean, he's he's his team record is I don't have it in front of me, but something like six, two and two or something like that. And granted that has lots of Patrick Reed and bearing JT this time around going three and one I can't explain just absolutely trounced by job. Yon Olsen is kind of unexcusable really. I don't wanna make any excuses form on it. I don't wanna make excuses either. I think that there's an element of he's the type of player that always gets the other guys best shot, which is part of it. Teague playing. So many minutes definitely never says outgoing was well rested was ready to get out there. It's going to be a captain, never sits out. Mike. I don't think that there's any excuses to be made form. It's sounds cliche the same thing we've said over and over again, but you just have to play better golf at, especially in singles. It's like, dude, what possible? Excuse? Could you make? There's no format. There's no, there's no nothing. There's nothing to this. It's like, it's you. I, the other guy, you gotta go beat him and he hasn't done it. I don't. I don't know if there is an explanation for it other than fatigue or think he kind of alluded to that in two thousand sixteen when Dustin was kind roasting in for being Owen four at that point, he's like, yeah, dude, I play every magic. I'm tired like, all right, man. You got to either figure out a formula, sit out a match that helps you win your singles match or something, but lose all your presents matches to. That's that's not great, Doug mce fairy. You get to blow up the entire US team selection process. What do you do instead longtime proponent here of twelve captains picks. Listen, will never get that. You'll never have our way with that, but saddling a team with guys that you wouldn't take. Over if you had the choice? Never seems like the right answer. So I think the point system needs to be adjusted to not be so top heavy towards wins, but one three times this year and should not have been on this team. Like I think if you ask like, hey, should you be on this team on this course? No, right? Baba should have been on the team Mazel team. Probably that would have been a great great format. Bubba came in three and eight, I think, or sorry, one in six on European soil and went one and two eight on oil had previous bag. Spears's on this exact golf course. Yes. So a system that rewards top heavy play and listen, this is a lot longer take that's been written on the website, but like you guys that are consistent week to week. You don't want the hit or miss guys, like I wanna see how guys are able to grind out when they don't have their best stuff like a guy like female who just so freaking consistent week to week and he just laid it on the entire field every week. And he did. Beat. You didn't win any tournaments, but like that guy was there every week in that matters come Ryder Cup time, and he proved that so happy with how Tony Pena plows. So happy for him. Yeah, I thought you know, played great. You know, kind of coming up, especially hitting the first teeshot on. Like we looked nervous. Yeah, welcome to the Ryder Cup, rookie. You know, I think maybe if we could get to six captain's picks that that would that's brighter. That might be. Yeah, that might be the equilibrium. I don't know six captain's picks and not tying the points to money like the the money. The way money is a sign on the PGA tour. Again, it makes sense like create, it's an entertainment product like you want those guys playing for a huge prize on that last green. And if the winner gets a million in the runner up gets nine hundred thousand. That's not that interesting as much as like the Cup is not interesting like you do like it's intriguing to watch guys play for a a large amount of money, but that doesn't necessarily mean you've had the best season of played the best golf by having a bunch of great of great finishes, but not any consistency. So not tying the points directly to the dollar and giving in. I've things six captains pixes for the better and I have a hard time with and making them all at once to don't. Yes. Make them don't stagger them. I mean, make them all at once. If you wanna make them late, and if the schedule falls out better, there's a two week gap. If there's a week gap after the torch championship in twenty twenty, which I don't know if that even going considered yet. If there's a week gap, make all the picks after tour championship, like the hottest players, your whole picture will be painted at that point, make all the selections right then. Rather than whatever they they did now and it worked out. The horse will pick has gone to and one in both of the both of the Ryder cups. But they ended up selecting? Yeah, I'm pumped that they went with female, and, but like the argument that it's kind of weird. The hindsight thing comes in like, dude, if there's a guy you chopped off this team from the captain's pick for core setup, it's probably female and you would have gone with somebody like Kucher and female shows up and goes to one. You just, you don't know what you're going to get out of these guys. It's Kevin's got a pressing buttons and gotta hope. It's right one. Do we think that Stricker's going to be the captain? Yeah, it wasn't straits. Everything I've ever heard is that I mean, what do you think the Stricker captaincy is gonna look like two years from now. I mean, feel it's still filled. Phil. I think it is still fill running those the wizard of Oz and look, I, it's, it's I again, it's gonna be upset about it. And I've, I think I've eaten enough humble pie like I was very wrong in thinking that the US team could just overcome the European setup. I just thought it. I thought it was a new era and that they their issues were behind them in their approach to the Ryder Cup of changed. It was premature. Look once excessive Ryder Cup at home, covered up a lot awards and I was dead wrong about that. Having said that going back home, I'm not nervous about that one. Like I said, I thought the US would win four out of five Ryder Cup starting in twenty sixteen. I still maize on pace. Still maintain that. We're gonna win the home. One's like I just think we should. It would be an upset, big time to lose at home, twenty twenty two, the, I think the European guys will have aged some of their top players. Love age that point. But listen, if you get step. Performances from Francesco Mon and going five. No. Oh, I can't. You can't possibly predict that for years out, so, but the way things are trending. The US should have a better team than the euros in twenty twenty two. The us strict. Well, my question is, I mean, Stricker is a super quiet guy. You know, he's he's going to be in his home. Say it was concert, which is kinda why you thinking might might be the log for the captaincy, but I don't see him being, you know, whether it's more assertive is what we need, or I see him being definitely a very passive captain, which I guess is why you said, oh, it'll be fills capital effectively. I mean, that's what I want to know like what is the captaincy now? I don't really know what it is. It's so much, honestly, like it's so much work from a media perspective and like going to Steelers gaming. Yeah, I don't know really what it is, and I think that I do think it needs more data, and I don't think I'm worried like the data that uses like printouts from the PGA tour and not like actual models to understand what where are your stats gods. Now, stop people citing the driving accuracy, percentage that like, that's, that's that honestly doesn't mean anything like people that are playing for driving accuracy on the PGA tour are playing the wrong game. Like it's just not what's rewarded out there. So why? Why does that necessarily mean that they're just driving straight doesn't mean you're going to play great at the golf Nationale like definitely a good start though it would help and it would definitely help, but I'm not just take Kevin out there just because he hits the ball straight off tape anyways. Very good question here from Tom. Clearly, Tom is European as you might be able to guess by this question, do you think the European tour is a. Better standard than Americans perceive it keeps generating Ryder Cup winning teams. When Americans play in their events, they don't win such as phenol and kept this weekend at the Dunhill links team USA should play more European style courses to succeed. Okay. There's something about the way this question is phrased it actually makes it a very good question because what he said was, is it a better standard than Americans perceive not? Is it a better tour which clearly I mean from talent perspective purely on Italian bases, it's it's not, but as a better product than Americans perceive, absolutely one hundred percent. I think it is. Okay. I think that there is a lot of good golf that gets played on the European tour on a weekly basis. I think that there are a lot of players that have had success in the European toward that come over to the United States. Having a great success here. Tommy Fleetwood being a perfect example Brooks could being another one. I don't think that American Gulf fans, the casual American golf fan cares. As much about the European tour as maybe they not that they should. But I think that if they put a little bit more effort into learning about some of the guys and watching, I mean, it's it's definitely a better broadcasts, a better product from televi- television perspective. And clearly they're doing a lot of things right. And they're willing to kind of change the formats and change the game, and they had a shotgun start this morning in order to get in front of the weather like she's mazing. Yeah. Would anybody the PGA tour ever consider that? Of course, not there. They're a little bit more innovative to have the Gulf sixes. They, you know, they just play a little bit more. Have more fun with it and and maybe having more fun with it is what helps the European Ryder Cup team kind of come together and and enjoy one another's company and the you know that. So that's my take. Let me clarify that. Love the European tour due to the vibe on European tour. The PGA tour like ten times out of ten, like the atmosphere, the guys out there, the actual players like the whole, just the supporting crew of European tour staff and every of European tour event we've ever been to is a blast like way more enjoyable. They're just so much. They let you do so much more stuff. There's way less red tape. There's no rules out there. Like I enjoy watching the European tour more than I enjoy watching the PGA tour on all mostly almost one hundred percent basis. A lot of that has to do with the broadcast though, too. That's true Roach to it and the European tour's attitude towards making sure that it's product is really good on television. I'm looking at UP toward fix it. Anyways. Having said that, I guess the way I view the quote unquote, European tour is very different than I think what Thomas implying here, like what eleven of the twelve European team members play on the PGA tour play a majority of their golf on the PGA tour. Jobe on Olsen is the only guy by my amateur thought process. I haven't looked this up as you only got doesn't play on the PGA tour is not a world golfer, I guess you could say. And so the way the European tour it self like isn't very strong to me. It's like all lot of the top European tour players go and play the PGA tour. You're the majority of the type and like they re re allocate the rules this year. Like Paul Casey's European tour member by token only they made, they changed the rules so he could play on this tour like, yes, the golfers from Europe are phenomenal. There's you're better at the Ryder Cup in us like that is if the question is, do Americans not perceive European gulford as being good enough? Yeah, probably I don't like European golfers are incredible. Like I would never argue that the European players are not good. The beef I've have of the European tour is like the world ranking points and whatnot for the events where they don't bring in the top players are way skewed way too hot and like that level of golf isn't nearly what it is on the PGA tour. So listen, if we want to do a strictly like players that only play in Europe versus players that play in the US and have that Ryder Cup, that's not going to be very good competition. We actually had that one for a lot of years. It was the US for scrape written in Ireland and it was like. Ninety seven to three final scores. Like that's not the case like the best golf is played on the PGA tour mostly because all of the top Europeans come and play on the PGA tour. Right. That makes sense. Yeah, that does. So yes, they are European tour members and whatnot, but like Tiger Woods as the third most European tour wins of all time in my Matt, he's never been a European tour member, but. My, I guess my take is is just that there's a lot of good golf being played in Europe that probably goes under the radar because it just doesn't get the. I mean, it's it's probably harder for most Gulf fans to watch the European tour because of the auto hours, especially early in the season when they're playing in Australia, Australian Asia and stuff. But I just think that there's a lot of good golf that goes under the radar. They played around the world on the European tour in more Americans should invest some time in getting to tell you this with that. I don't screw that. I don't think there's like players lying in the weeds on the European tour that like you could just insert on this team and would have tremendous success like there have been some that of come up kind of quickly. I mean, hadn't Fleetwood and some of the guys that really were not household names in the United States at all that played most of their golf on the PM toward two years ago and have now broken into the American golf, seeing a little bit. You know, have ended up there still products of the European towards. I agree I in that regard, I guess I just guess toughly would plays on the European tour, but like he's a tour member and like I, I view him as a PGA tour player. I think he's gonna be playing. He's playing almost exclusively in the US next year. It sounds like he's really upping the ante Ona's golf in the US which you should do, but that's like the product of the money. Like there's more money on the PGA tour and all the best players are coming over the US and play. And that's kind of probably why it's going to morph into one tour events. But no, I mean like listen, I just don't think like looks bear. I've kind of been low key like favorite European players for a longtime appear. You line had just had mentioned him on podcast. Couple years ago. It was like an under the radar guy that he's seen on the European tour that people don't know yet. He just wants that was awesome. Like it was that was really cool. I don't think like he's bound for decades of European or European team success like Kendrick Senator Justin Rose or anything like that. But like I dunno, I ask this comes in the definition of European tour. Rahm is a token European tour member Hatton and flee would guys that are products of the European tour. Like you said, probably should be viewed through a different lens, but what or it's a lot of fun heart the part that trouble with his female and kept ca playing this week and not winning be part of his argument. Wait is the standard that when the when the Americans go over and play the European door, they have to win like they finish top ten this week. Is that not good enough? That's that's. That's kind of logic of like guys. I don't know what what the European fans want us to say more like you beat us like you crushed us. What do you want me to cry on here? Cry if you need me to like, what? Why do you have this? I don't wanna say inferiority complex, but it's like it's not even good enough to have won the Ryder Cup like we have to just bow all of your feats and you guys are the greatest golfers ever to walk the planet, and I love your golfers is the problem. I don't enjoy interacting with European Gulf Twitter. I've just gonna say that like, man, it's not been fun. I've root for a lot of the European players. Timeously was one of my favorite players. ROY is one of my favorite players like God. There's just no perspective that comes from from the European Gulf fans on Twitter for the most part. And the problem is the ones I've interacted with in person have been so much fun such a blast. All of you that are now on following solely on Twitter. Wanna come follow me. It's at j w fit. I talked about the tour of fun. We have a good time just it goes past like friendly banter, like this point. Here's like fee now and kept getting to win this like, oh my God, I just can't. I can't do it. I did enjoy. I just I hit the mute button so freaking off. And it's like so many non sequiturs of of like how you said that they were gonna destroy, like, where's your article now on? Like, I'm not Ellen chip neck. I didn't write article like, I don't know why made a nice hedging hedge. My bets very well the week before the Ryder Cup, writing the feasts of same how the European European team could win. And it ended up being way worse than I ever could have. I again, that's kind of what happened to no one predicted that fifty people out of seven thousand, I guess, predicted seventeen and a half to ten and a half year paean like less than point four percent of. Predicted that final score and like no one, no one predicted like worse than that. I'm pretty sure like that is worst case scenario could of possibly happen to the US if they teed it up again, Europe would probably still win, I would imagine, but like it wouldn't be seventeen and a half, ten enough. I can't foresee a situation where it could have gone worse for the US. One eight straight matches that does. It was that doesn't happen. We've answered this tire question Anders Hof stead. How come only to European Ryder Cup players? How come the only two European Radikal players both beat the only to USA Ryder Cup players playing in the Dunhill links three different courses when the Gulf Nash now was the main issue. Again, this kind of what we're dealing with. It's like guys like you one like, do you wanna point to one more strokeplay event the week after the radical to help validate this win? Like you won the Ryder Cup? Why? Why? Why does this still somehow a point or a question. Because we put because we're asking for it. But I guess, podcast, I guess, man, Craig w should the format be altered in the future to even things up. Example, Europe, verse the rest of the world. Oh, Mike, this is tip of the iceberg of what we're dealing with your. I just wanted to throw a few examples for because I know that people people here what they wanna hear on the podcast and it's already people shut this off. Our blow me up on Twitter. So Mike Hennessy, y on earth of the US only go to the golf Nationale for one practice session and with only half the team. We've known about the course for more than two years. I bet you players visit a US open course were much more frequent. Do you think this is one of the problems lot on rap here. One. I don't think the players visit US open courses for more pressure on much more frequently. I played Shinnecock this year, three weeks out from the open, the US open. It was nothing like it was three weeks later. There was nothing to really learn about it, very unrealistic to just expect US players to hop across the pond for again. This is like as much as much as fans care about it. It's an exhibition like there's no money in this event for the players. And that dictates so much of what how they set up their schedule. It's easy for us. Sit back here and say, hey care, more care more. But like I don't know if people wanna point to JT play in the French Open and going for and won, speak, didn't go play. The French Open. He went three and two female went to. And one web went to like, it's not. It's not a correlation causation thing to just be like, you had to play the Gulf. I, I agree playing that course in competition would have helped. I think it had to of it had to help with some of that shell shock look that we saw a lot of their faces, but I don't know. It's it's so much easier for Europeans to play a writer, Cup course in practice on it because like they're all based in the states. Basically, it's just a very different different animal and the argument guy when they come over the open, they should go play the course. A lot of them did. So I don't know. James tore knows why not give the cath another chance. If you're has learned loads from this experience and would be able to build on this makes no sense to keep rotating captain to give everyone a shot. There's something to this. I've always wondered why they changed captains every year, but it's also probably the cabins. I don't wanna do it more than once Davis Love doing it more than once was strictly a nominally. I mean, I'm not really sure what the rationale was forgiving him. Another look at Hazeltine. I think one of those spots was slated for Payne Stewart, to be honest. I don't remember which one was like, all right, you got this was this was supposed to be pains year. It went to Davis and like that's why he got to goes at it. I guess. I don't know. There's a lot of change at the top of the PJ America and whatnot how they selected. And so I don't know exactly, but I don't know if I'm a captain. I don't know. I don't necessarily wanna do more than once. I think it's it's a complete overhaul of your schedule for an entire year and it's fun. But like you get like a decent amount of credit if you win and get all the blame if you lose. So there's not a lot to gain from it. So. In the mash NL in the team room is Phil Mickelson an added value or a nuisance to a team captain with less charisma. It's very fair. Question fair question. And Phil has been a part of so many losing Ryder Cup efforts and taking as much on to this to his plate as he has like a lot of the blame for this one has to come on his shoulders like an I credit him a lot for sixteen like he took so much on played great, and they whip some ask. He still has a lot in his plate. He played terrible and they got their asp eat so like, but there's I mean coming forward with tiger and Phil now are going to be captains and upcoming team events. Like there's a lot of losing history and the same with furic. This was not a good Ryder Cup player like there's, there's going to be a streak of teams here where there's going to be guys that by default are going to be captains that do not have sterling Ryder Cup records players, and we're just gonna have to get past that and figure out a way to to use it to use other things to our advantage. Like you said, if it's the stats or fit. Having six captain's picks and actually finding is like each other. There's gotta be something because it's not going to be. We're not gonna rely on all the good memories of Phil tiger playing when they become captains. I think it's easy and convenient to point back Zinger did in a with the Holland. Those pods like the pod system thing is just being to death, but what Zinger did the best was this four guys like would have gone to war for each other? And there was no doubting who those four guys are. And there was a plan in place like this week. It was just pod issue like it's all right. Yeah, you guys are kind together, but there wasn't like this battle mentality of like, here's what we're doing like you foregoing about together. You guys figure out who's playing what, and let's go and we'll get behind it. There was still too much like maybe it's read the only one doing the blaming, but there just wasn't that kind of mentality of. I got your back. You got mine. It was too much individualism along from from from top to bottom, really. So that's that's the element that I think they're missing just like a total by. Into the pairings a plan in place guys should know well in advance who's going to be kind of playing what matches. I thought this podcast was gonna feel very cathartic, but no, I'm getting upset. We're hour and seventeen into this twos we might have to wrap this last question. I'd save Andrew, James golf. This may seem crazy, but do you think it's possible that there wasn't all that much wrong with the US team other than the fact they were out played out putted by the euros. I mean, it's golf. Sometimes you got your game. Sometimes you don't. I kinda covered that. But like that's probably the main reason like we want to break breakdown reasons like Dustin Johnson, Rickie Fowler books Cup can Tiger Woods are very good at getting the golf ball into the hole, and they were not for this week. And good it up that there's a certain amount of element of just sack up and do it, and they didn't like I don't. I don't think there was some magical thing. Furet coulda done to make them play better golf, and that's, that's kind of that's why the US got beat so badly. And I think that there's a momentum aspect to that feels probably more real for the players than it does for the fans. When you can kind of hear the things going on around the golf course, and you know that you have to put more pressure on yourself to play well, because you can tell by the the sounds of some of the roars and stuff, if you holes away that your your teammates probably aren't doing well, and I think all of that you just kinda builds on it self. And eventually it comes down to digging deep and playing better golf, which it's easy for us to say because I'm not a not a professional golfer, and I don't know what it feels like to be in that arena. But it comes down to like who wants it more. And clearly the warned there is just, I don't know. It was just a it was just amazing that Sergio played so poorly all year long and comes out and goes three and one. And and then there was the super predictable stuff which was, you know, Tommy Fleetwood Francisco Molnar maybe not predictable them each going undefeated in the the team formats, but you kind of knew that they were probably going to play well as teams. And that's yeah, I, I've done kind of making my my course point, but like that. Is that the best that kind of answers the question. Like Tommy Fleetwood world class player for just cool. Molnar is one one, the open shame ship this. We had the best year of his career and has transformed as golf game, but like never want to come match before. So I don't know how you could possibly prepare for that or predict that or think that that would happen. And that's the thing is as well as Europeans played. Like, you look at their top players, having a losing record and being like, whoa, they could've put up twenty points on us like that is just kind of jarring. So you're right. This podcast didn't make me feel any better. We're ready to put it behind us. I'm sure we'll get blown up all over Twitter for for this, but that's listen. Like, what did you expect for us coming into this term? Induce just to like, no, I don't know who's gonna win. Like we'll see what happens. Like that's not fun for anybody. No, we thought the US was going to win. We're wrong and we admitted it and I don't know what else you want from us. So roast away. This off seasons can be boring. Go glue. Listen to the Fredericks Cup podcast because I'm fired up for like fall golf now that we all have these Fredericks Cup team. So if you don't know what that is go, the trap jaw podcast feed, listen to that and trying to find some, you'll find some some rooting interest in some players. And if you haven't listened to maximum yet you're doing mazing. I'm going to try to really focus on training on some good content for the European tour for the end of the race to Dubai because there's some good tournaments coming up Walton heath this week. Yeah, British massive. Awesome. So that for anybody that said, the Gulf nationals proper golf course watch the British masters, right? Walton heath is a proper golf course. So. All right. Let's let the rain come on in. I feel like Jon snow at the battle, the bastards, pulling the sword with all the. All the everyone charging at. I'm not gonna speak about the Ryder Cup again until the year, the calendar, your twenty twenty. So from here on out, let's just let's just forget that this happened and move on with our lives. I'll be ready next week to start predicting who's going to be on the joining Tony seem. So I thank you everyone for listening and listen to rant. Cheers. Crack on. Feeder right club today. That's better than most. About in better the most.

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Hour 1 - Ryder Cup rescheduled, NFL without fans this year? And Angels GM Billy Eppler joins the show

The Darren Smith Show

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Hour 1 - Ryder Cup rescheduled, NFL without fans this year? And Angels GM Billy Eppler joins the show

"The white glove guys. Previously Darren Smith. Show Out there if you have the condos behind part of the part S A bounty on ABC watching games with his. Send us a shot of a AC. and. Our gratitude. These clusters gift cards and Being told we we have to adjust. We have to on the fly to things changing, but no, we would we we need. We need a bounty we have. We want the pick of a C-. Welcome to the Darren Smith Show. Is the one that brings us back soon. Am Radio Long Rain. He wants more. Now here's Darren. On extra thirteen sixty. Hey their greetings to you. It is Wednesday the eighth day of July for two thousand twenty. I am Darren Smith than you are listening to exit thirteen, Sixty FM one, zero, three three. We are available on HD Radio One zero one point five FM channel number two. You can download the iheartradio APP. If you haven't done so already, we ask you to do it. You can stream this show wherever it is that you might be located whenever it is that you. WanNa listen to it. 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It's going to be a quick moving show. We're going to be in and out of a lot of different subject matter coming up here in just a matter of minutes as a matter of fact, we might break a couple of minutes early, the general manager of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim he's a San. Diego Guy's name is billy up. Billy Apple will be here to talk about well. What else might trout the return a major league baseball a situation earlier this week where the angels were? Had to postpone batting practice, which they then made voluntary a little later on in the afternoon. They were one of the teams that we were talking about earlier in this week, and that would be one of the teams that you really wouldn't want that to happen to. From a sports standpoint because they have the best player in the League on their team, Mike Trout who is back and forth with the decision, whether to play or whether or not to play, so if you could pick a team for this situation for this type of snack food to not happen to, you would say please don't let it the angels, because we don't want that impacting Mike Trout in his decision. Making as you know Mike Trout, his wife, due to give birth to their first child coming up in August so. There will be here. We'll do a little NBA talk later. With Mark Medina was last night on twitter as everybody was analyzing the food that was delivered to different NBA players rooms. There's context there because of course there is. It doesn't mean it wasn't funny. Last night and Dennis Leonard the athletic. Join us to talk about the padres specifically a little later on. We say good afternoon or do we not say good afternoon I? Don't know what's going on the other side of the table, but Mardi Caswell is in the house. Martha what's going on I'm I'm here? I'm still here. I'm currently with you. Are you muted properly? Because now we've been on muted at times and people have heard things that are going on in my life, and in your life, and now this radio show is on the air, but there's a zoom press conference with Kirby eight lacked. I won't even tell you what was going on. As Zoom press conference was beginning, describing in great detail, a dermatologists doctor appointment that I had earlier today and The show a specific area of my body Marty, and that may have been on the I'm not quite clear I. Don't know. Very Weird People People's minds right now, but you're right, I. Have I should know better by now I? Feel like I've probably been in about fifteen zoom meetings or press conferences since the padres reporters for their very first workout, and literally every single day I've had some sort of. Flu Or glitch or mistake that usually ends up with me getting a flood of text messages from other participants, and now now they're texting you yes, in their horror because they're giving up on me. Yes, so they now no longer. Texts Martin the text me and say. Would you tell Martin Commute herself on this doom? Call, please because they're having some sort of situation down there, but yes I was describing the Mardi that I had a dermatologist's appointment today, and that I had a little spot that the doctor looked at, and she said well. Where is it and I was I was showing to her choir just that I lift my shirt a little bit and of course. Zooming this to all Hungary's media. From my house. Now what's going on? Is this thing happening? Are you rolling on curb tailgate speaking? Are You bowing out of this conversation sure? Or you not I'm not sure yet. I'm still here though I'm serving. I'm suffering from afar. Looks very very serious. He's when the last the last players to report, not covid related, but Kirby ages today Zoom Hawaiian. Does he live in Hawaii well, he. He does live in Hawaii I. Don't know us for the off season now again with Spring training ending when it did so abruptly. And players having to go home I don't know if he chose to go ahead and just go to San. Diego or attend go back home. I have no idea what he did what he did after because the Hawaiians did it right like hey, we don't want you people over here if you're coming here, you got a quarantine for two weeks and they didn't just say it. Yeah, they didn't just talk day. Walk the walk through people in the CAN I put in jail, I would I would like to implement the exact same procedures in Pacific beach where I live. The hot spot where apparently all hell is breaking loose, I! Saw The video that you've posted yesterday Poe. Show of some fire hydrant just burst. Venus Schnitzel. So we'll talk with billy APP. We're coming up here in a little bit San Diego. Guide padres angels, six times twice during the preseason or whatever the preseason is is called summer camp coming up here at the end of the month. Shohei Ohtani? We're going to get back to Shohei ohtani update. I love it. I'm looking at some. Some odds here sent to us. by Bo Vodka or no. I'm sorry, bet, Online, dot, AG and Shohei Ohtani total home runs in the twenty twenty regular season, nine and a half. Nine and a half nine home runs in sixty games. Okay, it's not bad. I've got some Fernando Tab. Junior profits here, too. Don't worry padre fans. It's just that since we're talking to billy. Know talking about ten minutes. It reminded me of Otani because tiny makes Mardi happening does. and. Just think everybody for those of you. That hate the if there was a D. H. in the National League I I, really think that the padres would have had a better chance of landing Shohei Ohtani than they did and I still think that they had a chance just not as good a chance as if there was a DA still me still think they may have been second run, but I think the made that decision a lot. Tougher Over under and a half homers for Shohei Ohtani. Actually let me ask the question in a better way to quote Carlos Quintas. Okay let me because that's. It's hard. Right like we're not sure exactly. And he was pitching yesterday. If I saw right had a rough outing, and we know what to go ahead and make of that. Do you remember his very first season when he had outings? In spring training. Everybody said he's. He's a double a pitcher. Double a pitcher well, they were more critical I remember. The thought was on Otani that he was a much more advanced. hitter than he was hit your that he was a hitter. As a hitter like a double I hit her and does a pitcher though he can do. A bunch of different things in the ball moves Cetera, so let me rephrase it in a better way, because who knows not and a half home runs I kinda like it. I think he could do that, but these are where the over under totals are Mike Trout by comparison has over under total of thirteen and a half. If now let's play and who knows I don't know. The general manager knows we'll get some Intel hopefully hopefully. Let me ask you this. Since he was on the mound yesterday, and it didn't look great. He dealt with some command issues from what I read in my research for this interview. More homers forget the nine and a half per second. Just forget that number. More home runs or more starts for Shohei ohtani okay. Let's again presume sixth game season Hey. Somehow the angels are able to play all sixty and all of the other Major League baseball teams ours well. Would you say he's GonNa hit more home runs or does he have more starts in them Kinda. Give up throw once a week. Once a week. Is that I've read in the La? TIMES, that's the plan for Shohei. Plan as before. Once a week. About a little bit more than two months so September August going in reverse chronological order September gives you four and then four and then eight and then. Mean it's GonNa to be close. It's going to be very very close again. Presuming Health and Take. More starts figures going well. That's that's that's what the analysis was. We came to the states. He was much more. Questionable Mac here, then burrito bed. I'll go with the homers. Okay got it, but it'll be close breed about. Deal done or usual. All right. Do. You have to go, okay, see you later. We say good afternoon Jim Russell. This is Jim. So Marty will attend to the things that are most important in her life. Press conferences saw this that the Ryder Cup has officially been pushed back to twenty twenty one and I want to read some of the press release to you because it got my mind thinking about what else are summer might look like, and what else might be impacted in the state of Wisconsin again. I know at times people think well. Hey, you sound. Sound super negative about this stuff. It's like no I'm just pointing out what's happening because we need to pay attention to this. I want all of this stuff to work. I want major league soccer to work today I want to see. The padres play sixty games I wanted to see Shohei Ohtani play and hit a bunch of home runs and hit horror home runs then he has starched. Just because I'm selfish. I want a Burrito. And I want to watch all the big stars play I want to see the success that we've seen in Germany. And that we're seeing in Spain and inland with soccer I wanna see that sort of stuff here are circumstances obviously are a lot different than they are in other parts of the world, which you can't quite help, avoid when you have these kinds of conversations, but still I think. It's just interesting to point this out. Because today we saw A. A heck of a decision from the Baltimore Ravens that they are according to reports going to limit capacity for the twenty twenty season, the fourteen thousand people these are the Baltimore Ravens they are announcing that they will suspend and defer season ticket holders. They will give them right of first refusal, but they're anticipating. They will allow fourteen thousand people in whatever the name of their ballpark is in Baltimore. You're back. What are you doing here, so Mt Bank Stadium. Sponsor right and their and their capacity is. Because, it's over. and. That was a quick Kirby was quick. I know the right about seventy one thousand capacity, so they're going to allow up to at best case scenario fourteen thousand for stadium that houses seventy one thousand pounds. That's the NFL pretty significance the NFL that's never not driven by the ultimate bottom line by scratching every last single penny out of every single conversation, and it's in the Kansas, city chiefs have done the same thing. I haven't seen the numbers yet, but they sent out this. These are the world series. These are the Super Bowl Champs. He sent the release out to all the season ticket holder. Saying we're going to have reduced capacity plan at least for the first few games it could be for the full season, but we will not theirs, and we will not be able to. They will not be able to go ahead and accommodate. All of their season ticket holder fans, so you see NFL teams now making the moves and letting their fans. No, it's not gonNA be. It's not going to be NFL that you that you've been accustomed to wow again. One of those where you're like. Yeah, of course, don't you follow the news like? Don't you hosted new show on a different station? Yeah, but until you see, it's still hard to believe. Believe that the NFL is going down this road with regards to its decision so back to the Ryder Cup and the President's Cup which is announced today that they're not going to be able to host these events, so the Ryder Cup will be moved back one year to twenty twenty one president's Cup back to twenty twenty two PJ of America CEO His name. Is Seth Wa- said the following W.. H. I.. Assume that's why. It became clear that as of today our medical experts and the public authorities in Wisconsin could not give certainty that conducting an event responsibly with thousands of spectators in September would be possible given that uncertainty. We knew rescheduling was the right call now. He said a bunch of other things here as well and there's other. Considerations. That have to factor in with regards to the Ryder Cup like. People from Europe allowed to come. Are they allowed to come here? Are they gonNA WANNA come here. How does that work are? They allowed to go home. What's the deal? Because one of the great things about the Ryder Cup is international competition, so it's the United States versus Europe and it's just. It's like the top of the bucket list. Of things that I would really like to do just slightly ahead of Texas. Oklahoma which is we found out yesterday. Not Happening. So? That's the Ryder Cup. Maybe we're going to watch. Maybe you weren't gonNA, Watch it? It's September Wisconsin and you say okay well. What else does that mean? The packers are supposed to play a preseason game in August. If health officials in Wisconsin can't give them certainty today for the Ryder. Cup preseason game preseason game against the Arizona. Cardinals I don't feel great about that one. The packers are supposed to host the Detroit lions on September fifth. Again. Public authorities in Wisconsin can't give certainty that conducting an event responsibly with thousands of spectators in September would be possible. So I don't know what you're supposed to do. Their the Brewers have eleven games scheduled at home at Miller. Park in the month of September eleven. Wisconsin Badgers People Love Their Badger football their camp. Randall supposed to be one of the great places to go in the entire landscape of college football. People will tell you the camp. Randall in Madison Wisconsin is right up there at the top of the list. They are scheduled to host Indiana. Illinois, and then not too far out of the month of September is October third against Notre. Dame the whole reason you scheduled notre. Davis because you want a bunch of Notre Dame people coming. So again I don't know that that. Does. Corley I don't know that all of this adds up I don't know, but if you're hearing that today, and there are other factors for the Ryder Cup like I, mentioned the travel, and it's very boisterous, and the golfers right now or are dealing with their own set of circumstances in their own set of challenges as everybody knows, it seems like the right decision. We talked about it with Steve Sands. You can't have the Ryder Cup. You can have the memorial without fans. You can have some of these other golf tournaments. Some of these other silly season golf events without fans. You can get tiger. Tiger, woods and Phil and Peyton manning and Tom Brady to go run around golf. Course without fans and everything will be fine, but this is the Ryder Cup. This is the event. The fans are essential the fans. It's more essential sometimes than even the golfers, so but that second part from the PGA of America today. Saying Whoa we're not sure that we can get clearance from the state, of Wisconsin for the month of September, so it's in our best interest to go ahead and pull the plug on this event that had me thinking a little bit about the packers and about the brewers. Wisconsin so we'll see which direction that heads, and then today Baltimore now the seems like the smart thing to do and I suppose you should say good. This is good news. This tells you that they put some thought into this that they're not going to be stubborn. They're not going to create an unsafe atmosphere. At least in terms of irresponsibly saying of course seventy, thousand come on but Baltimore some others as you mentioned Kansas City Green Bay is talked A. A little bit about how it's GonNa look, and how it's going to separate and keep in mind that the weightless for packers season tickets is like a billion years right, so you know there's a lot happening. There's just a lot happening in the sports. World is teams are trying to get back. Sports Leagues are trying to get back. The Ivy League et Cetera so man. There's a lot happening here is we are just in a free fall to sporting event? The return of one sports league the first one today major league soccer, which doesn't make anybody feel real good about what's happening. Let's more than. One team. They only had to get rid of one team, but maybe they're gonNA have to get rid of the second team and I keep thinking to myself. This is mind blowing that we're in the situation like like. Is this going to happen? In other sports is the NBA just going to look at the Brooklyn Nets and be like you Brooklyn Nets. You are the FC Dallas of the NBA. Take a hike. You guys gotta go. They lost another player yesterday after the show I. Suppose it's possible. Is Baseball willing to do such a thing because we've seen situations and Oakland and in Houston and in Washington and you're only going to be as strong in my opinion. As your weakest link. I don't think you can have a season a sixty game season if you're minus four teams, but maybe baseball thinks that's a decent idea, so so we'll wait, and we'll see and coming up. We'll speak with billy upper the general manager of the angels. Find out if he is campaigning and politicking for Mike Trout to remain with the club that has to be a real tricky spot for a general manager, and I can tell you this because I follow soccer, I don't necessarily follow major league soccer. But that said I could tell that there's a little bit of backlash against Major League soccer starting today. That some are saying this isn't right. This doesn't feel good. This kind of feels dirty. And we've heard some some some shots. We've seen some shots from Jeff Marga from Sean doolittle. Some shots from certain baseball players, but you're in a tricky spot when you're the general manager of the angels, you probably want to go up and put your mask on and nudge. Mike Trout, and be like saw Mike. How's it going how you feel on yet? Things? Good right? Things are safe. Things are safe. Things are great play. Play absolately, but you don't want to say you don't WanNa do that and at. And come across like like major league soccer's coming across for a lot of soccer reporters. Which is why are we doing? We're forcing this and it doesn't feel good at making us feel dirty. About this coming, when teams in your division aren't able to practice, they can't. They don't have workouts because they don't have testing. They're testing time I. Wonder How many players in baseball and on the angels are waiting are GonNa take their cues. Mike Trout does they're waiting to see. What is this guy going to say? What is he going to go ahead and do and if there's going to be a ripple effect if he does decide to go ahead and opt out and be with his wife and newborn child. Could, be? In other words, you could see a player saying like do it if that guy's not plan, I don't know what kind of chance we got anyway. That guy's not playing. Right now he's showing up there. He's being the good teammate. He's wearing a mask. He's putting. You know. He has been a great psa where your mask here Mike Trout can wear a mask and run the basis the best player in baseball and he could hit home runs. You know what then the rest of us and go through the same thing, but I also wonder. If they're saying this guy, he wants to play a lot. Huge contract, but he's he's out. I just wonder how many guys are going to wait and see what he does, and then follow him accordingly, if if if Mike's there right now, and he wanted to work, and he's giving his best shot great. Okay, we'll be there to, but when he's out I'm out. Interesting. Plus, the whole philosophy. The philosophy of If you're getting set to start a season under normal circumstances obviously like well. We got one hundred sixty two, so if Otani is dealing with command issues, we can work through that. We've got plenty of time. It's a long season. We can take our time with it, but for all intents and purposes this year. Urine first place with sixty games to go with the regular season mark, right? That's the way this season is sorta structured here mentally because. We're all starting at the same place day one of one hundred sixty two game season, but deep down. You kinda like I. Need a bunch of plans to align. But. I think the mentality is if you're even thinking about baseball and I thought Craig counsel had a great line the other day about like I. Thinking about the Games I'm just trying to keep my players say. But I thought. That the mentality of We're in first place with sixty to go, so maybe we're not going to have as much patience if he's dealing with command issues and we're not going to let this guy work his way out of a slump. And if this guy is struggling in the bullpen then we're going to have to find somebody else to do that job I. Mean, that's sort of has to be where you're coming from you. Hot Streak like waiting for Eric Hosmer so and so to get to get hot in a month of May cause. That's his month. This think so, are you? Billie Apple, the general manager of the Los, Angeles, angels of Anaheim joins US next. Three. All right back with you on Xtra Thirteen, sixty and the iheartradio APP. Let's say hello to billy apple alert. He's the general manager of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim. Padres and Angels GonNa. See each other six times twice during summer camp four times regular season. Good news under normal circumstances. Obviously, these are odd circumstances, but we appreciate a couple of minutes abilities. Time here this afternoon billy. Darren Smith in San Diego. Thank you very much. We hope you're well. And on with you. Well, we appreciate it a listen when you're a general manager. You sort of have to prepare for things coming your direction here that you might not prepare for. How has it been here? How is the role of the general manager been since the middle of March when the world turned upside down? you know I? It's one that you didn't have a have A. Stadium, management and logistics, and then travel and testing procedures. You're getting pretty close to that now. I mean we. We're living through. You know very unique time throughout the. Throughout throughout the world and you know our our part in this you know in this in this whole production is you know to to make sure that we're following the health and safety protocols worth by LB? Even if we're implementing some of some things, you know on our own I in addition to to the health and safety protocols, and that's where our mind goes You know all the time is is that? That standard of Care for Players for our coaching staff clubhouse personnel for our. You know members of our front office that that have to you know be inside the clubhouse. Do a job in the clubhouse. That's just where your mind goes for everything nowadays and You know it's. It's been a learning moment for for everybody you know regardless of of business or industry, but it's You know it's something that I think we're gonNA, come out. Come out on the other side better than better than we went in and and you know that's how I'm choosing to look at this. You know this this whole thing. Billy apple are angels, General Manager, joining us an extra thirteen six craig counsel said it very well. Were you know he was asked about getting prepared for the season? He's like I'm not there yet. I've gotTA. Worry about my players here which must be unusual in a bit counterintuitive for a manager and I would think also for a general manager. Do you have any idea like when you actually start thinking about the season coming up at the end of July, fingers crossed like how does that work? How do you expect that transition from what you just described to what you were hired to do? Which is get this team ready to go out there and compete for a OS title? Yeah it's funny. You bring that up because yesterday. with with our first intra squad Inter Schwab game and I mean we played in a total about seven and a half innings in that in that game, and you know we don't have enough players on the field to field two you normally in spring training, you'll see an entire roster you know for especially for the first two weeks of spring training. You might see you know my child. Go Out and play in the game on Monday. He'll play five innings and they won't play Tuesday and they'll play a Wednesday for five days, and then you'll have a you know a player, usually young, minor or a backup outfielder, coming and play. Play the the the back end of that game, but now if you're playing inter swabs, you run out of position players so you instead of actually having teams we've done is kind of more of a collegiate model You know that between Joe Madden. And Mike and Ryan Arcos GonNa put in the day to day schedule together. We'll rotate five hitters in. In we'll come in, and they'll be a team of five and another group will go out and play those positions, and then that group will get hit in the first, and then again in the second inning, and then the third inning, the fourth inning, and then they're playing the bottom half in the outfield, or or in the field rather. And that's how we're having having to do it. Because otherwise we're GONNA we're, GONNA run out of bodies because you're trying to appeal to teens. And also understand the workload. You're putting on players, and after you know after about three month lay-off so that we've got to get a little creative. It's not A. It's not exactly as easy as saying okay. Here's a red deion years a white team and we're just GONNA. Play the whole game all the way through. We'll probably able to do that later in campus here in the early going. That's that's just like one of the adjustments we've had to make, and you know talking to Joe Mad yesterday. I said you know. By the time the next week, let's we're GONNA need to start talking about the actual roster and some of the strategy elements that are gonNA. Come into play for sixty game season. You know what what are we? WanNa do strategically in this window of time then we wouldn't have done. If we had a full hundred sixty two game schedule we might have. People a little bit more early, and so on and so forth so you know these discussions that the Joe, really dig into. We have a working document that we both are putting our thoughts on, but we're GONNA have to roll up our sleeves and start having some of these discussions early next week is when when we talked about. and. You would obviously growing up in San Diego. I always think about something Trevor Hoffman said when we asked him once upon a time. If he was superstitious, he says no regular baseball player I'm very routine oriented, and I've learned over the years. Billy. Sure as you have as well, baseball players, coaches managers, I'm sure general managers, even as much as you're used to dealing with variables, unforeseen things happening, you guys are routine oriented so so the whole structure like in the whole mentality around a baseball club right now. When as you said here routine? What's that? It's out the window, yeah? We've definitely preached a priest adaptability and I mean those are those are at the center point of every discussion. We're having whether it's with our player group whether it's with our coaching sapper everybody together on one you know large zoom call which we do have with with players and staff and. Sometimes everybody on on on one call together and really talk through things, but we do preach that adaptability and flexibility are going to be paramount characteristics having success this year. I think players in the the one the one thing that you can kind of lean back on his. We all experienced rain delays. And so you while nobody likes going through a rain delay they. If an easy way to get them to understand what a particular day could look like if. You know if there's some circumstances that arise that just. You know, make a little abnormal but by and large I do expect us to have a very consistent routine. Especially once this this plane kind of reaches reaches its thirty thousand feet. You know cruising altitude and we're still on the offense right now, but you. We've We've been able to iron out an address things in a in a very very quick and very quick manner and so I feel good about where where will eventually had notwithstanding you know what what globally might happen and globally or at least nationally might happen. You know we can't predict the public. Health And it just how things? You know kind of how things maneuver through society that that's out of our control, but the things that we can control I, do trust that will that will have you know by and large A. Regular routine for people. And speaking of things that are out of your control, billy the general manager. He's joining us on extra thirteen sixty. It was reported earlier this week. You guys as a team had the to pull yourselves off. The field had to delay session on Monday. There was some sort of lag with testing. It wasn't just you guys. It was Oakland Washington Houston handful of other places. How does that go over? And how do you? How do you navigate through that? Because you know I love the rain delay metaphor, but that's unlike anything else that that anybody's used to hear when you are being taken off the field for reasons like that. Yeah I. Mean so so I looked at a number of ways we. We didn't actually cancel. Cancel workout. Well we did is we moved it back in the day and we're all going through learning moments and our learning moment. I mean we have to own some of this to you know we can't just quaint at you know other circumstances outside like. Maybe we shouldn't have scheduled our workouts for early in the morning. We traditionally would have done. and if we if we scheduled workouts for later in the day that would give more time for us to get the results in earlier in the morning and be able to navigate that. We were setting work out early because we were learning a testing process on our own because we set. Those workouts up early in the morning. You know we had a tighter tighter you know, period of time and less kind of maneuverability, because of that hike area time, and so we had to do is just say. Let's move it back later in the day and because we've inconvenienced. The schedule or the routine? Let's now just converted to optional. And, so we did that. It was a day when I talked to. Joe About it had when I talked about earlier. This is the last day of kind of live EP before we start in their squad. It seemed like you were planning a light day. anyways and go. Yeah, I was completely planning. He said you know. I was completely planning a light day. So you know I'm I'm? Let's just make this optional I said okay. I'm making an optional, too, and so you know once. Once we got. The test results in that morning Monday morning or Monday mid morning. Then we called players in foreign players and say okay. You're good to come in, but if you want, but no, it's optional, so you don't have to come in. And so that's that's you know. That was again back to that adjustability and flexibility. That's what we implemented that. We moved through it. Players were solid about it and and you know we. We kind of had a good learning moment there, so if we were having three PM workouts every single day. Would we have encountered that and had to move it back? Probably not so or at least based on that particular day. We have so You know we're all. We're all learning and growing through this process and again the number one thing is that health and safety protocol make sure the players feel comfortable. Make sure your staff feel comfortable. Answer that I then get to the then get to what you actually have to do that day. As far as an on the field or or or progression, hitting progression, strong progress, and so on and so forth, that's how. I. Yeah I! Read some of your your lines in the La. Times and you know I said you know that sounds like it was a manageable situation. I know things like this. Sometimes they get a little bit out. Of Control and people in my business, you know they look and they panic and they start clutching their. You know they start hand-wringing a little bit. It comes with the territory, but I think what you said about. The players were solid is probably the most important takeaway because let's be honest. The whole sport is is. Is Looking at one player in particular who wears an angels uniform and wondering what it is that he's going to decide and I thought about you know you guys with the angels have a postponed, and then ultimately just decide that it would be a voluntary workout on Monday. I thought about how that might impact the decision making of Mike Trout or any other player, so from your sense sense like that was okay. The players were okay, even though that was perceived hiccup from the outside with us, not knowing a lot of the details. Yeah. At least in my experience during the more you communicate, and the more transparent you are, the more you humanize the situation, the more understanding people become and I, you know. I have a number of our players. Text me on that that night. I know you guys are doing everything in your power, and I know the League's doing everything in their power like. You know just continue to communicate with so on and so forth so I'm getting some some. I haven't had any any anything. Adverse with you know with any of our coaching, staff or front office, staff or anything of that nature. People all understand. We're learning and you know. One one of my favorite quotes is like if you can keep your wits about you, while all others are losing theirs and blaming you, you know. The the world becomes easier. The world will the years, however that however the ending of that goes, but it's that front end about it just. You know. Accept that there's going to be adversity and keep your wits about you and do the best that you can. Throughout this entire process be transparent, be accommodating, adjust workouts and JOE has imparted that among that coaching staff from. Months ago when we were having zoom calls you. Have we have to know what we can control and we have to be to accept the things that we can't. We're learning a lot of the life lessons that we were taught in kindergarten or elementary school or high school. All of those all of Expressions and all the things that we were learning in those in that time period like it's time to to practice what we preached or practice what we heard and the more you could do that I just think the the easier. The more accepting things become, and at least that's the approach that we're trying to take care and keep a positive growth mindset among our group. Lastly I only because I. Know you know it's coming. But what is your gut telling you about Mike Trump's decision? Continue to communicate with them. every day I have have learned to never never never go with my gut I. I tend to like. Let People you know. Bring things, and and and you know Introduced the things that they wanna introduce or or Make their own. Make their own decisions. everybody has. The process this in the way that makes the most comfortable. And from. From this day! On July eighth. You know my understanding is that all of our players are still comfortable and I. Ask them fairly regularly either via text message or You know if I happen to walk by one one quickly. and I might ask somebody here. How are things coming from your standpoint and we're trying to do everything to make our guys at comfortable as possible, so we have every every player in our stadium. Every player has their own individual luxury suites with us, so that locker room is no nothing more than workflows. Hang it is. We've removed couches and chairs besides the confronted the locker, so they can sit in put shoes on. Everything else out, and there's just clothes hanging in there, and they all have this key, and they can take their key and go up to a luxury suite, and they're all assigned their own sweet foods delivered there. There's a sofa in their refrigerator. TV's WIFI IS AC. We created an individual lounge for all of our players. and we've also been able to space are locker room where there's a gap in between every single locker so. They recognize that they see what we're doing. And and you know by and large they're. They're all comfortable. At at least at this moment in time and we'll continue to seek their feedback as as as each day goes by. I love it well I know Tatyana. Mountain yesterday. We have a quick little wager here. On this show what number will be higher home runs hit by Shohei or the starts for Shohei this season? ooh, good, one good one. What's he going? I'm going to go with home runs. Mardi is going to go with starts. Okay all right. This is good. What are you got riding on this thing? It was like a dinner or something. It's. It's the standard show back. We Bet Burritos. From where? Well Santana's machos and billy, just so you know if I win, I'm willing to to share my burritos with you. Let my winnings a love. It will only be a California Burrito. All right I'll have some of that done done. In this situation. hey you. Hear you, can you? Can I roll me like virtually? I, roll neon. Say they'll be. Could you. Could you feel it from here in North Park? Could you feel? Good one. Time wish well, we'll see you soon. We help cool always good to talk to you guys. Got It thank you and that is of course, billy apple, or who's the general manager of the Los Angeles. Angels of Anaheim wanted to head John that I thought. Maybe he'd give us one lean one way or the other, especially since MARDI tried to bribe him in, entice them into picking her side of the wager, which would be the starts, but it seemed to to not work on. Billy APP who's very is very good back after this on their nannies here. Hey! What's happened to come tomorrow morning on? Kosten Richards on the beat of the angels. Maria tour of the La Times will join us. What is my trousers worn to do? Which direction is? He will ask her at seven thirty gets her and six actually thirteen sixteen NFL. Dave is GONNA. Join us at the top of the hour mark. Medina who told by Marty is heading into the bubble. Yes, he leaves a belief Saturday for the Orlando. Bobby now we spoke with Kevin Baxter the La Times yesterday, who was in the MLS bubble? which didn't sound like the safest place frankly to be no, and he had data to back I. Don't think Kevin Back Sir I'm going to guess he did not pack too many too many clothes I think he might think he might be out of there sooner rather than later I also wouldn't want to check a bag. Honestly if I'm flying here Danny, you wouldn't in a perfect world. You're anti checking back. Like, you always quiz, but we had to go on our trips. You're not checking bag, are you? Yeah, of course I am every time, because of course you. You gotta bring boots and seventeen different pairs of footwear and a hairdryer. Whatever else it is that you need to pack as you need clothes for the work and then closed for the fun. TRIPOD! then. She ends up just buying a bunch of calls like she did in Miami. So it's just a mess and you slow everything down. That's the problem. It's not that I care what you pack is that you just slow everything down? Because then you've gotta sit. You gotta wait baggage carousels. It's a mess. So funny last night I thought on twitter that NBA. Players were tweeting out their meals. The NBA players that were already in Orlando started tweeting out the meals that were delivered to their rooms now again I think it was funny because he enjoyed it though they weren't. They weren't tweeting out there. Like oh well, this is amazing. Oh No, no, no, no, no, this is how you complain about something that your luggage is lost. Your flight is delayed. What do you do you tweet it pictures? Everyone knows that's exactly what the NBA players are doing. Wait a second now I think you're taking a little bit the extreme. Exactly that that's what the takeaway was because I then later saw. Maybe they weren't as popular as some of the other goofy pictures that were posted and shared. That were compared to the meals that you would get on spirit airlines. Which made me like? Getting like? Getting Sushi and some of them are getting no. Way By was fine. It was fine. Okay, now I'm guessing the higher seeded teams. They're getting like the Sushi right and the players, the sick six seven seeds, or getting like the lettuce sandwiches on like the fruit roll ups. Things like that dried nuts. No, this happened and. Getting. Your mind. Tried nuts well i. hope that that situation, but yes, I know what you're saying. Drank fruit. Dried fruit right. Now I will say there was. An MLS version of this. And I will tell you these MLS players. They would murder one another just to get some of the meals that were posted last night. That look like airline food because they were getting Bologna Bologna sandwiches when MLS showed up to the bubble in Orlando Fire. There are some say again like fire. Fest two point Oh. Yeah, the MLS guys had a pretty rough by comparison. These guys have it a little bit better. Even in its worst form I think that they're having it a little think where you're going with. This is what what is Mark Medina desks. Just some media guy. What's the expected staying I also wonder. Do you just get to order room, service or meals prepared. How does that work the bars, should we? Should we send Mark Dina Care Package. Like some top Roman, what do you think some Granola Bar? I mean he's not a freshman going up. Here! He's a professional sports writer. So we some top. Point. Good Point, we should send him a care package. What do you think he's been really good? This show I'm. Happy to contribute some wine, let's. That's I mean if you were going into a bubble. What would you pack? I pack a twelve pack of wine for sure. No doubt about it I would have wine absolutely shipped to my bubble. Food, of course you would, but let's talk about some sustenance we got. Pack Bunch of kind bars. Kind kind candy kind bars like. I have some in the fridge if you'd like him. I. Pack my dried nuts. Hot pockets. Now how pockets for me? I don't do the hobbies like a instant ramen wolves, maybe some. Maybe some impossible burgers. Expire I duNNo. Since, we've been getting down with the meatless days here in this house very successful. Very successful. Yeah, maybe a little soy reseau. Forget! So. I might have to take, but I know for sure what I would send would be in advance. Ship out can't let's do it couple of cases, let's do it. Let's let's working were care package from work Medina all right well I. Know I might be related to somebody who can get free shipping on deliveries for the next couple of weeks. We'll take mark order when we come back. MARKMAN DIVA USA Today joins US next.

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Creating a Spark with Jennifer Ryder

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Creating a Spark with Jennifer Ryder

"Welcome to ride with love. I'm you heist. Sarah Williams Selling Author Speaker and Creative Entrepreneur. Each week I checked too passionate conspiring Olefins Janey in creative writing some are traditionally published some himselves. Everyone's Janney is different and everyone has something interesting to say. We all love love and love will be. Today's show is brought to you by Arab mazing fans and supporters unpatriotic. If you'd I'd like to help support the show and get some awesome. Bonus episodes very patriotic dot com forward slash Sarah Williams author to learn more. Now now he is. Today's show gained welcome to ride with love today on the show on heading heading to Jennifer Ryder. Thanks for joining today. I thanks very much for having me a pleasure. So we'll get this going. Can you tell us a a little bit more about yourself and your gender publication. I K- I'm a ago born and bred Leave on the outskirts gets cameron. 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And I think that's Komo rotting journey has being Arken attribute so much to lauren because she really has helped shape me as as an also Helping hoping to find my voice but also It's maybe better rod because as rotting getting ready to go into edits. I'm thinking sitting in the back of my mind. What would Lawrence Lauren kill me now? I need a bit more. He will be less here So I think you know you on that soap editing and you know what you need to do With H. Book It doesn't get any Asia Wind with H.. Book because I feel like he's starting over African By the to publish a lot feather they stays Do often where can and all of that. Tom Battles Just some stories just need to Maronite For a period of time so that they They're ready each day released You know they're at their best and it is so important. Growth is to have been tools. I definitely had won many and dumb. I think that is very important. We need to talk to other rashes and Iceland's things now. In understands what we go through. 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If you can't get traditionally published. Sorry did you make that decision consciously or did you make it more as a business point of view go independent or was it really Fine I think there was a lot of People around yet time the shoutout to other authors common general Bill Aurora Laura McCullough And you know those also had released recently united before I had indie I thought it was a big step. How am I going to do this by myself? Like how is that possible You know now I kinda Con- imagine doing it any any other way but it was a matter of. I had that moment where it was just like I just have to try. I just have up to see what happens when with the spot series because I'm a big radio And I'm impatient when it comes to writing books folks in a series I purposely waited until I'd written a couple of months before I released from So spot series wasn't originally going to be a five spot series. I thought maybe three So I planned it. So that I'd I'd I finished writing spock And Spike the second book in the series before I published the first one and then before I publish the second one I've written half of strike which is a third will can series? I've got this is the cover struck Studies one's it's very very might across site aries Microsoft names throughout this Fox series but yeah in terms of making the decision whether to be indy. Your self published. I think once I started that series was always great and continued doing it. So indie we I have reached out publishes on a couple of other books. I did rate chat mute seeing Sam which is my most recent relates? which is it's small town romance All my book so based in Australia Strenuous and I can. I can't imagine I think it would be a very technically difficult to rot You know on character is based on all the pop. The world like I think the Lingo is very unique and I think a little Rita's united for Oscar letterman's in the US. 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So we've got There are there are topical issues in the book in the sense that you know there are young people or restricted you'll living in nursing homes That really shouldn't So Sam Marshall Singer Songwriter. Ease his recovering from a The pill debilitating incident and Jane Reinhard has just taken off the physicians they at noon Events Coordinator night at the nursing home so her job is to interact with the residents. Run activities And you know make sure. Everything's running smoothly Giants thanks grandma is known as the Queen of historic will surely in her. I met So she's got romance riding in blood and She she is determined to write a romance novel so she Grandma one day. A book The problem is she hasn't really experienced love And same whilst living in the nursing harm caves very much to himself Very secluded jae-in connotation as bringing him out official So slowly but surely the relationship blossoms within the walls calls organizing. 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I'm in with this new job. It's a great opportunity. Really GonNa have my head in the game and then I had a dream about boy boy a young man in a wheelchair in a nursing home Knocking me Ova and kissing me on the lips and always like R K this is this is Israel dissolved but the story would not leave me line N Find that out sound that. I was daydreaming at On my way to work And it just wouldn't leave me okay. I'M GONNA end. It was the easiest book for me to Raj Still be edits. Prices took long time But I just yeah. I'm just so proud of this I think if I was going to recommend rate permit recommend and any of my books While the love spot series they connected me undercover detectives If got foul mouth mechanics that have got lots of issues Ann Marie Cross riders. We've EGOS Australia I really yeah I think if you try to my shootout raid old recommend think is GonNa be any more in the series stories listening and Sam or is it just going to stand line. I think it's going to stay. 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I released the cover of my go to Rome. combinability coming out in January and it's called non-ferrous sites and it's based on issue is likely camper go circles very close now And it's basically basically she goes on nonsense tights And I'm sure that a Lotta people can identify we've had dates Just just things that happen tots of people that you run into whether it's through matchmaking whether it's through team though Or crushing your car in the car park And you know this This something in every in some. It's the shortest booker written. I have written a novella be full But I think I. I think we're all so busy these days and I think also after seeing it Sam. I needed to rot something a little bit lot to kind of get back into into writing but I think it'll be the perfect as little betrayed This summer for US Ozzy in January But yet nine fist fights with my Edita. Lauren clock DOC and so hopefully I'll get some advanced Rita Kapisa by Christmas. What else was I going to say? 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NLU Podcast, Episode 169: Ryder Cup Recap w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg

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NLU Podcast, Episode 169: Ryder Cup Recap w/ Kevin Van Valkenburg

"Feeder right club today. That's better than most. About in is better than most. Spectating thing. All right, let's get on with it. I, I'm here to take the beating. We are going to get to caught up with Kevin van Valkenburgh from ESPN a bit. Earlier. We wanna do this person. We were planning to have a joyous Sunday evening podcast recording with a lot of laughs. It's not the same. It's just not going to be the same. We ended up on the opposite sides of towns. We actually had to do this via Skype. So regretfully we weren't able to be in the same room, but you guys will enjoy the what Kevin has to say, and you will enjoy me eating a lot of crow and sulking my way through the next hour before we get going, I want to give a very heartfelt. Congratulations to the Callaway t- European team members. Sergio Garcia, Henrik Stenson. And of course, Alex Noren all gaming, odyssey putters this week, including Sergio's custom to LAN Atlanta made specifically for the Ryder Cup. An AUSSIE the number one putter at the Ryder Cup. Listen. I'm just so absolutely thrilled for the fellow Calloway staffers. That's really what it's all about. And I'm just as basically a win this week seeing so many Calloway guys play well, and I'm not at all bitter or butthurt about what happened this week. Now I'm handling it fine, and you'll hear that you'll hear that we're, it's a, it's a joyous occasion, celebrate this wonderful event. So without any further delay here is Kevin van Valkenburgh from ESPN and our recap from the twenty eighteen disaster of a Ryder Cup. All right, Kevin, where do we start where what's first? What's I don't wanna be the one that determines where where we go from here. So I need you to kind of give me some guidance. Here's what do we do I, yeah, I imagine this this pod post Radka pot is going to be a little less joyful than our previous one. Well, I was regretting initially that like porter and. And porath afterward here this will be like, oh, we're going to miss out on recreating all the joy that came from, you know, from Hazeltine two years ago, but I don't regret that at all anymore. Now we're good. Let's just let's just kind of get this over with and get on. Somber pot a couple times, reliving the misery of the beatdown in Pelly. I'm trying to come to terms with my happier that we just got crushed or what have been better if it was close. I don't know the answer to that. I don't. All I know is I have a lot of questions. You are the trusted journalist among the two of us. So I kind of rely on you to be like, what are the questions that people should be asking right now? I guess my first question that I keep asking myself is why didn't I see this coming? Like I didn't pick a blow out like I didn't wasn't one of those people who thought it was going to be a touchdown. Scoring difference, and I'm not talking, you did this, but I saw that that require a trusted legitimate journalese, Jay journalists weeks. I picked it as a one point American victory, but why didn't I? Why did I fall into the same trap that Americans always fall into, which is that we never sort of think about how much the course set up is going to be different and and really think about like how, how well they're going to sort of pair together and how well they're they're, they're journeymen are going to come to life. Maybe the course, I, I don't really remember the course being this big factor in Gleneagles, but I just don't know why they didn't think anticipate ahead of time like, hey, there's a lot of evidence sort of in in the barrel here that shows that it doesn't really go well in Europe and why? Why didn't stick to that? I'm I'm glad you started with that because I kind of I was pretty dismissive of the golf course leading up into this and there's a million things I was wrong about that. That one is probably the one that I was the most wrong about my general assumption. I think a lot of our kind of general sumptious was like, all right, let's let's accumulate our best talent and these guys while the course doesn't set up great for them, they're capable of hitting irons off the tee, hitting them straight hitting into the fairway and still being really good at hitting the ball into the hole. And I felt obviously felt fine through morning four-ball. That format was has been good to us in the past and was good, and then foursomes honestly, it sure. Me how bad they played enforce them. I mean, it was it was jarring and I think they got shook after that. And after that it just was it was never the same and I, there was almost no recovering from that. I was much as I wanted to believe that has harassing the euros for giving me a hard time Friday afternoon, like it kind of felt over to me at that point. Yeah. I mean, it was a beating, you know, think about how bad the United States has been in Ryder cups in Europe over the last twenty five years. This is the first time they've ever got swept foursomes so it was as bad as it could possibly be. Like just the fact that they at that point. On five straight matches. That was a huge momentum. They won the last match in the in the four-ball and then they won four straight. I mean, it was eight straight total across the two sessions going to the next morning. I wonder what the actual chances were of that happening. I mean, we're we're three, nothing like three, nothing. And then we lost the Ryder Cup by seven like it wasn't even remotely close. So get this. I just was crunching a few numbers. We won the last Cup, seventeen eleven, Justin. Thomas was not on that team. We added JT. He went four and one and this week Rory went to in three rows went to into and Brahm who's just terrified. Me for two years went one and two. We lost by seven. How is it? Just doesn't add up if you told me those those numbers. Oh, okay. So did we win by twelve? Did we break the Ryder Cup, is it is it is it all over? But I mean, if you really look at it and so off top of your head, how many European players do you. Had winning records. Gosh, I would think that. Got eight or nine, ten, like the only person I can think about a losing argues wrong. I think because he got his first winning, it's tiger today. They had five players winning records what. Flabbergasted that Molinaro went five. No, Fleetwood went four and one. Sergio, three and one Henrik stents three zero and Norne was two in one. Everybody else was five hundred or worse. I I'm going to own up to this take and you can own it too if you want. But I thought it was gonna be washed. I thought that we were joking about it that he, this was like the hair Westwood in easel teed in him, they used him perfectly like the way that wrote the didn't like home today. The way that the orange new Stinson, probably the way that he should a few action to use. Tiger just play him in all shot. There's points are just as important Tigers obviously, really good of a ball striker and a really good putter, and you know, you don't have to hit half the shots. So you're not quite as mentally worn out. And I think that that might have been a much better, especially when he saw how drain tiger wasn't how just completely. Like kind of out of it. He seems from the star of the week that would have been a much better plan and Bjorn just kind of aid knew it wasn't going to get since for every match with Rosen. He just used imperfectly. Yeah, I definitely didn't see that coming from sense in even I think after his first match, he came out in alternate shot on Friday afternoon and he missed a putt early and he just looked shaky early and I think I was firstly, the comment like our, Yep, he's this year's Westwood, and he went three though. Again, just just absolute victory. Lap around all of my takes both during the week and the two years leading up to it. It's it's a, it's taking barrel, fire fire over here, man, part of it. Listen part of it. I deserve and I will admit, I did predict that the US would win by three. I think that a lot of people that are all Europeans, listen, this podcast that I'm Alan ship nook and that I declared that the Ryder Cup is over and then it's the US gonna win forever. I did say I stand by this. That the US I said this before twenty sixteen as the US will win four out of five. And I think France is the one where most likely to lose. I feel very good about whistling straights. I'm fine with Bethpage Italy still. I think the talent is going to be overriding. I'm balking that a little bit just seeing how ridiculous this course messed up the US team this week, but I still stand by it. I think you're US team is going to be dominant for years to come in this event. I. Dominant might not be the right word after what we just saw because we'll be dominant. I mean that was it. It wasn't even remotely close. Yeah, I think that as bad as this might feel for Americans that in a lot of ways they're still set up so much better for the future than they were a few years ago. Like if you essentially like if tiger and Phil there either this was their last one or maybe tiger play one more whatever. But like if you think about like JT speaks being your sort of new tiger Phil going forward the guys who have to sort of galvanize you forever. Gonna compete with majors urine such a better position going forward than you were with tiger fail because for whatever it is made eighty three matches and they've lost like forty, four of it's just there's no like it doesn't make any sense. You can make excuses for them, but I'm just I'm done with it. Man. I am ready to move on. They can be captains naked. Probably do a good job with that, but they are just not great players in this event, and it's enough to sort of make that statement. I think it's it's no longer just like, oh, it's a small sample size like bull. It is a legitimate thing and nothing can convince more than what I might own is saw out there. The two of them just did not have it, and it's time to move along. What I mean for did. I guess for some reason this year I felt like it was different with tiger. I don't know why, and I defended the Phil pick, and I said, you know, he's been seven, three and one in the last three Ryder cups. I think he's figured something out with this format. And he owns this so much now that he just won't allow himself to play poorly. Listen. He went into it was pretty inconsequential, really. I mean, his match by time in singles, it didn't matter and he lost one match forces when everybody else also lost. I thought he got a ton of blame for what happened, which I mean, if we're blaming play Tigers and four record sitting there is just too glaring just massive hole, the just got sucked. He got Grandy ran up against the Molinari Fleetwood group three times. But I mean, what could possibly be the reason for these guys being such incredible all time players and sucking in this event? I know the common answers like they don't care enough. They don't believe they, they're not team players, but like no, someone. Evens out after time in this. It never even with them. I don't think that it's that. I definitely think Phil cares maybe too much like I think he so badly loves the action. And so badly wants to prove whatever reason, whatever he found with Keegan in that sort of stretch where he played really well Medina and then played pretty well with them for a stretch in letting goes like that was his partner. That was his guy. You know, he had actually had some success, David Toms earlier his career, but I think that he's just, I don't know his game in general, like maybe just isn't really made for match-play like it just it's a little bit too while little bit too loose when you especially when you put him on courses in Europe where you can't really recover all that. Well, there's a reason that his record, even though this was not a links course like there's reason that his record Europe was dismal for a really long time and winning the open championship failed on the best day of his life around his life was. A race, some of that, but he was really not a good player in Europe for a long, long time. And so you know, some of that I think is, is the case I think tiger like, I don't know this weekend maybe was different than some of the other weeks. This week. He disliked gassed like he looked like there's something legitimately off about him like whether using pain and he was, you know, taking some medication to deal with it or whether he was just completely song couldn't sleep, but he'd barely looked like he could keep his eyes open after matches. Like he lived legitimately looked like he's gonna fall asleep in the press conference today. And so I'm really don't know like something was off with him and maybe he just poured so much energy into getting that win that he needed so badly. I think to prove that he could still do this that by the time the Ryder Cup came around even though I think he wanted it. He was just gassed. He was done. Yeah, known is kind of not been talked about a ton. His interview on the golf channel and Saturday afternoon was just. Little bit off. I mean, it just was a bit slurred bid just not sharps like it. Just I know we only kind of breakdown one of his interviews or press conferences like this, but I mean, should I've had have a bottle of wine tonight. My speech is a little bit slurred, but that's for that reason. Like if he's coming off the golf course in doesn't really speak very clearly. It's kind of like, all right, what's what's going on even commentators on sky, we're talking about he was walking around a lot slower than it usually does, and I don't know why that would be I, it's something's off and I actually did funny mentioned them not sleep in like, did here in general report from the team room is basically like Tigers not been sleeping this week. Our leading up before the event even started. He's not been sleeping very well. So I don't know it. It's it's I, I guess. I don't know. I blame myself a bit with like I blame. I blame myself man. All right. I believe in north, I'm yes. As I tried so hard all season to keep everything. He does in perspective through the lens of what he's been through and through all of that out once he won and I was like, okay, he's our God again. And he's going to do this this time. And this time it's going to be different and it just was not man. It's. I wish I. Yeah, go ahead. I think he's just so hard to keep things in perspective with everything he does. I am a hundred percent guilty of this too. And I, I always used to be like the tiger skeptic even when he was at the height of heights in when he was at the low of lows, like I was just never quite willing to sort of buy into the myth of not missed, like been into the magic of it all. And then I felt myself getting sucked right back into it. I was like, I finally body and I was like, oh my God like planes. So great niece is able to do things that just didn't make any sense to me. And so I lost perspective sort of did the one thing that I always kinda swore never do with him in especially to in this, like if he plays in whistling straights, if he makes the team on points or if bigamous captain, there will be people who will be like, especially if he's been playing well, you gotta play them all four or five sessions. Like, you know, he's easy one of your top guys. It just doesn't. It's not a good format for him. He'd makes guys uncomfortable. They don't like, I don't know what it is that he makes other teams are fired up like they really want to beat him. And so it's just a double barrelled thing. Like I, I've never ever seen. Patrick read play that poorly than way what he was like tiger was basically playing fluid Molinari by himself without his best game. Yeah, without his best game. And so when Patrick is not even sort of like, can't even find fairways dunk it in the water. Of course, it's gonna wear on you venture like it's, I don't know. It doesn't make sense, but it is what it is, and I don't think it's going to change. So that's why I almost think that they should just use him sparingly like, have him have his presence, be there be like, hey, you're either just gonna play foursomes or maybe you know, you're just gonna play two matches. That's okay. I mean, I heard leading up to it that he was only gonna play three total matches. And I, I don't know what I think a little bit of panic kind of set in with the with the way foursomes went on Friday with how they sent guys out Saturday because we'd heard that DJ and KEPCO didn't necessarily enjoy playing foursomes together like they're putting sows were different. And it just and I, we had heard from people close to KEPCO that had said like he probably played with web or Bubba that leading into this week. And so this is kind of leading into where where we land with furic in that what we think of the captaincy and I, I'm, I love second guessing. I absolutely I live for it, but I'm struggling wear to second guess. I think it I had no problem with cabins picks. I'm not gonna flip around on that. Tiger Owen four, but like that is like ultimate hindsight, you're not not taking tiger. Imagine they just didn't take tiger. Phil was the one that was the big. Mark, I argued for it because I thought he could dial it up. I just thought he could. He didn't. It didn't work out Bryson window and three. He was an obvious pick like you had to take them. There was no, there was no decision to be made. Their female was the last one he made it really easy to and he ended up going to in one the only two matches any of the captain's picks one, which is insane. But where do we lie with the the captaincy of Jim furic and if we're going to critique it where the where did the criticisms belong look? I mean, I think you and I will pretty openly bidding that we did not think that Tom Watson did a very good job as the captain. And so I want to be careful in the way that I sort of phrase this. But like I was wondering a little bit today if there was some a little bit of over correction in terms of like making it a player, friendly environment. Like I think Feerick is a really good guy. I think he's very smart. He's also really close to a lot of those older guys in some ways. And I think like if furic had been a little bit more like, I don't know, courageous the right word, but a little bit more bold. He could've thought this out, and this is again, this is total second guessing, but he could have said, hey, fill. You know what? I don't think this, of course, is good fit for you. I don't. Think that you're playing very well right now. I absolutely need you in the team room as a decision captain. You're going to be the next radical captain or you know, after strick I need you to sort of you'll be out there. Guys will be rubbing your billing between shots. You're gonna help decide the pairings, but your game is just not in good shape, and it's not a good fit for this course. I gotta leave you off and could have been able to do that would fill have kind of accepted it and embrace it would have gone behind Zurich's back and politics and done all sorts of things tried to basically leverage his way onto the team. I don't know the right answer to that and could fear had the guts to say, tiger man. You totally spaced out this week, like you are exhausted. I gotta use you like a lot less than I thought I was gonna do. I don't know, like it's a great kind of what if I don't want to bang on jerk too hard because we have the sort of benefit of hindsight. But I'm wondering like if the neck Stricker son really work, it doesn't really. Apply Stricker. But let's say whoever is the captain let's say it's Johnson in Italy in in for years. They don't pick Phil. It's going to be back. I think if you are gonna sort of accept that you have to bring different kind of players to a European style course. You have to start like making that clear two years ahead of time. So Zack's I kind of thing you'd have to say, I don't care if you are ninth in points in the if you're game, does not fit that course. I'm not going to bring you. It isn't going to be a huge insult to you that you didn't make it if you didn't make it, you didn't make it in. It's up to my discretion whom I four cabins picks, and that's how the next captain could have the freedom to say. You know what account Stanley is a really good ball striker. I think he's a great fit for this setup. Soza pantley I'm gonna bring them and I'm gonna pass over seven, eight, ten guys to do it because they're all bombers. They're all guys who do not know how to play another different style of play. They have no experience in Europe, whatever, I think even. You know, that would be controversial because there's always going to be people in the media who just don't get that kind of Italian. But if you started that campaign like a year ahead of time and just drilled it into people and indeed a little bit of politicking it would be easier to do than it would be to just sort of say at the last minute by the way I'm taking Stanley and the revolt of like, or you can't me who's caught, what are you kidding? No. How could you leave? Phil Mickelson off the team. How Tiger Woods off the team? Well, trying to win a Ryder Cup, you're not trying to win a popularity contest. Yeah, and that's that's kind of where I'm landing. I'm glad you glad you dress that in that again, I had no problem with the captain's picks under the way they do things in how the players of essentially taken so much more on their plate when it comes to the entire approach, like Phil as a basically playing captain and like an, I guess, where I lost. I lost my way lost my way is that I just trusted him. I trusted fill to like to have that much pressure on himself. He threw Watson under the bus and basically was like, all right, I'm revamping this system for and he played well and Hazeltine. I just thought his only way of really drawing the best out of himself tripling down on himself to say I am putting my ass out there and I'm gonna do this for the US and I will be the mortar if we lose. But I'm going to be here of we win. And he in that regard is the martyr. Now where I questioned the overall captaincies along the lines of what you said is they've had two years to they've known what this golf course is going to be. I mean, some things were bit of a surprise to the guys though they were surprised to see how high the rough was up. I knew they knew it was gonna be up. They didn't think it'd be that bad and it was mode back towards the tea boxes which took them by surprise. But you had you couldn't. I don't know. You couldn't be that shell shocked at what you saw out there that you forget how to play golf. I mean that foursomes on Friday afternoon was so freaking jarring, but as much as much as we want to put on that, it's like, man. All right. Are we not taking DJ? Are we not taking Brooks KEPCO? Are we just not taking Ricky on the team? And those guys went one one in four, one, two, and one in one in three. At a certain point, it's like, all right, you guys are some top players in the world. You've got to step up and learn how to play different style golf. You gotta deliver at some level. I mean, this is not an excuse to just that that's that's where the team lost that I think is that's why I tweeted today as DJ's the biggest disappointment and the number one player in the world. And he went one and four. I know it's not the best best setup for him, but I've got, I need more out of you than that. That's for sure. It's not like he doesn't. I mean, he plays the very bombed, gouge sorta style, but just I don't know, like just was able to figure it out like Jordan was able to figure jobs on a bomber, but Brooks hung in his matches. I just don't. I don't get why it. It's sort of flunks as them so much. I mean, maybe they just four years is a long time. So I almost feel like they forget some of the lessons that they've sort of learned previously. I mean, think about it like John JT's gonna be twenty nine when they are in Italy, you know, it's, that's. It'd be older than Brooks is now. It's just crazy to think that four years forever. So are they gonna remember like, oh yeah, they're gonna mow the rough backwards so that we cannot miss fairways an, oh yeah, they're like the greens are to be pretty slow. So we are going to have to. Totally just that after planning all at east lake and stuff, it's just it's a hard thing to do. Like I was think that one of the hardest things to sort of recover from his when you lose the Olympics because it's just to get back to the next Olympics a floor year flying. That's what winning Ryder Cup in Europe is going to be like, it's it's four frigging years away. And so it's going to that's going to dwell in your mind and you're gonna, forget the some of the important things and in convince yourself like, oh, we're good game is better. Our teams better like our system is better. I don't know like until you until they win one. I just I don't think I could never pick them again in Europe until they prove they can do it. All right. If you're a European fan listener, this are we? Are we sitting or are we making excuses for the US team in any way. I think we are making excuses. Yeah, but you can't. I mean, you really have to understand how well they played, particularly like in alternate shot when they were like four and five under in some of those matches. I mean, it's so hard to play alternate-shot. You know, there's just you feel an enormous amount of pressure just to not let your may down and they're just so good at fat kind of thing of never kinda like blaming I rolling or feeling frustrated or whatever. They just pick each other up in this remarkable way. And I don't know why exactly some of our guys can't do that. Here's what I'll say. Like whenever you try to talk about like wise, Integra great writer cover, it's hard to sort of imagine him ever like going over and like picking a guy up, bear hugging him during a match. It's just not his personality. It's like it's not kept his personality. It's not. It wasn't. I don't know, like Matt coutries personality, and so it's a, I don't know like something about some of our guys who've been through this. They're just not kind of built like the guys that are Europe where there are just a little bit more free spirits. There are guys are a little bit more straight edge and they don't really have that kind of looseness to him. And I think that that gets them in that format. That's why the US is just bad. Yeah. And so one other thing, I guess I'll cheek on the on the furic front is I was digging, so frigging hard for weeks leading up to it and all the way up until hours before the opening ceremonies for what the pairings are going to be. And like the players didn't know. They didn't know what they were going to be like, and you know, some guy's like, yeah, I think I might play with so. And so like in the next week will be like I might end up pairing with so and so and caddies. All right. So who is your guy going to be playing with like I just I think either be so and so it's like the European tour and the European team has they employ this called the fifteenth club. It's these statisticians that basically have made models for them to be like, here are, here's, here's what we're telling you are the two guys you should put together for foursomes here it is, and like, here's why, because these two guys are compatible off the tee and blah, blah, blah. And I've always kind of overrated that just because I think like on the US. Side, they they do so much stuff by feel. It's like, I don't feel like a great where a great partner a pairing, something like that, whereas they just kind of trust the data and like, all right, this makes a lot of sense for you to go send out. Here's I'm telling you this three weeks out like so when I played the pro am with Tommy Fleetwood at BMW championship, I'm like, so what do you think the pairing is going to be like? He pointed over, we were walking down the sixteenth fairway and Molinari's walking on the eleventh. I'd probably be playing with that guy and he like yells over Adam, something kind of like a little boyish wave at each other and they went their separate ways. I didn't think anything of it at the time. Looking back on it, I'm like, oh my God. Those are the two guys that just executed our team and man, it's, I don't know. It is second guessing, but it's a very macro second guess of like guys like your strategy in Europe's got to be different. I mean, I I've no doubt that they're gonna make make whistling straights seventy eight hundred yards. It's going to be why put the Penza mill, the greens to piss Justin Rose off and the US is probably going to win. It's it's my question in. This is going to sound like the ultimate butthurt nation here in this is, let's say that is the case. I think it will be the case. Think the US going to win big and twenty twenty because of the setup. Is it good for the Ryder Cup to to trend? So hard in different directions for the home, the home field advantage. I'm not at all upset about how the European set it up. They have every right to do that, and I commend them for that part of the strategy and they played that brilliantly. But my question to you is, is it good for the Ryder Cup to have such control over setup? I I love that the home team gets to set it up, and I think honestly, that road games should be hard like that's why you know it's hard to win road games in the NFL. It's hard to road games in the NBA like you can control control like it's it's kind of neat where especially where like if you. You win a home Ryder Cup, and then you got a defendant on the road. You have to go play to that other teams strikes. So you should be under like underdog in that scenario. And if you can upset them by playing better at their style of game, like it's almost more satisfying then that to me, like if you win two Ryder cups in for your span, it shows absolutely one hundred percent. You are the better team. So in a lot of ways like the Europeans just held serve and that's why like when you win on the road, it's such more satisfying thing. That's why it was so devastating in Medina like they thought they had figured out they did everything right? And then they just kinda gagged at the very most important part and you know, so getting it back, like as a team that was huge and now the Europeans got it back soon. So now they'll have to sort of figure I don't know, can they really is whistling straights gonna be like kind of anywhere they can mow all that rough down. I think Pete dye would like. Be aghast if. Gary Player. Think of that if they. If they set it up for the European bomb or the American bombers. Oh festival. I think there should be books jumps into fairway for the year. And then they should have to do. I'm curls for fifteen minutes before they tell what does he think of Brusca and his way. Oh my goodness. I've never. I've never seen him a handsome. Exciting. A more Gary Player s man, then books. All right. I wanna do. We've, we've, I guess, kind of mourned the US here, but I do. I think we do a ton of credit for the Europeans and how they played, especially mowing are in Fleetwood and it's just like that's kind where what the crux of a lot of the things I said on Twitter this week was just like guys like this. A lot of is just golf, like a lot of it is honestly golf and that especially on the DJ KEPCO Fowler front, it's guys like you just did not play good enough golf, and I don't think it's a whole lot more than that because again, those guys are gonna be on this team regardless of whether it's a putt, putt course or nine thousand yard golf course. Like it's those guys just should be there and they got to deliver and they didn't. And so I don't know that regard. It's like I don't know what to change other than like hat tip to Europe and be like, you guys. They didn't just beat us. They walked our asses. I wanna know what was what were the, you're at the the, the wrap-up press conferences, but were those. As is always. I mean, they are just so like Fleetwood is like they know trying to the press trying to get artist, say something interesting. He's got that pretty dry wit and says something to Fleetwood. Everyone kinda looks fluid fluid, blows him a kiss and Sergio's does his usual like trying too hard to make people laugh. He keeps doing like Sergio's impression of Connor sketches doing Sergio's laugh, which is like super annoying, like very like, Sergio way. Roy's talking about how they're he revealed that they make Bjarne get a tattoo somewhere Bjorn's like it's going to be somewhere only my wife can see it. So it's just like they're funny like there. I think Sergio and Poulter try a little bit too hard to be funny sometimes, but like Rory and just rose and Fleetwood. They're just sneaky funny and it's just they, they make it. They were that way and Hazeltine. Yeah. Remember remember that kind of recap that press conference at the start of the week. It's a sort of reminder of like they're always kind of the same way, and I think what do you think is kind of we should pay tribute to is like this is probably the last of the sort of Ryder cups for the group. That's one a bunch of, you know, that's, I mean, you know, Henricks forty two. Ian forty, two, whatever. You know, there's a lot of guys Rosen cases getting certainly older. They'll probably play with selling, but that then they're starting to really gauge to catch up with them. This group is kind of transitioning into the next thing. I don't know who's going to be the next generation of young Europeans who's gonna come up, whether it's, you know, Victor, Hoven, whatever the kid is just one that you Osama to think he's Danish Netherlands or something, you know, like not Wallace is he good enough players is Matt. Patrick, get back on like those guys are gonna have to sort of fill some of those roles because some of their old lions are sort of retiring. But like those guys are still, you know, the guys like Padraig Harrington like Darren Clarke in Westwood, and those guys are all kinda hanging around like a system captains, whatever. And they've been really good at this. And it's been honest like you gotta just respect how great Dave van and pay tribute to that because they've made it fun. They've made this event lot not dour not sort of depressing. Made a joy for their fans, and that's all you can ask for them. Oh, I think that's what that's what gives like fans like you and I and whatnot. I mean, I know sorry, you're, you're journalists on the fan, but like that's what gives us the intrigue and it is like we like. I don't know if we're not used to losing, but maybe it's the American arrogance and just being like, why do we keep losing at this? And it just bothers us that much more and it just doesn't bother them as much another. They don't care. It's the opposite. It's just ingrained in them to just have this kind of tally. So leading leading into this week. There were five rookies and they had seven guys with experience everybody, but Francesco Molinari ironically, had a winning record and guess what? He was, oh, four and two. And now he's got a winning record because he went five in their only guy that had never won a match, went five. No Henrik Stenson was five hundred leading into everybody else. These huge crazy winning records. It's amazing. It's kind of hard to figure out like what change for Monory like in the last year. So that just made like this is a guy who was sort of a like a never like an also ran like he would make Ryder Cup teams, but he was never like a big factor known that have against tiger which is sort of the most memorable thing tiger beat him in another Ryder Cup. But like, you know, I always just basically confused him with his brother. Between their games. And now one of them's an elite ball strikers a major champion and the other guys out of the out of golf, right? Like it's fascinating to me what happened. What changed know the flying Molinari's I don't. I don't mean to take this. I don't dislike him at all, but in in very two reasons that I've had to route very hard against him. One being the open championship in this one. The most frustrating player in the world to root against might be Francesco Molinari like that guy doesn't miss like he saw him scoop ab- ball because he was basically chipping for par bogey or something like that. And and he flubbed the chip netted scoop it. And I was like whole lot. I've never seen that out of that is absolutely insane. Leading up into this. I gotta address kind of I, I thought I did a good job of being like, all right. Now, listen is soon as play starts. These rankings, don't matter at all. But like leading up to the right or Cup, you evaluate kind of how guys are playing against each other, how they fare against top players, how often they beat them and the US was so dominant. I, you wouldn't believe how many messages I got of how those, what are those sickie rankings or whatever you call them. Listen, I try to make this very clear that anything could happen once it started in. However, I will say that I when I meant anything happened, I thought we lose. I definitely thought we could. I did not think we could lose seventeen and a half to ten and a half. So we ran a pool, we'd seven thousand people enter it in fifty. People predicted this the final score right out of seven, which I'm actually maze. Fifty people got that because that is absolute insanity. I speak the right score, but I picked Saturday night. I said. Eight. I didn't. I didn't really have a lot of faith in American comeback as I thought that Europeans woodwind seventy points in the middle of the day, I was like, oh, I'm gonna have to eat this because the Americans on the first six matches and then it just all apart. That's at least fun. There's always that fun moment on Sunday where you at least doing the math and you're like, this real possibility like we do this and then it all just kind of on route, but it it. So I, that's why I had no faith coming in today either. I just did not think it was possible, but the only way it could was like you throw that read up on the board. This finger start to tighten and like you just that that's what happened to Medina was it? It was just like the threat of it made everybody else start. Choking. Just happened one by one by one and I honestly, I already lost faith and then there was a twenty minute span where it just got blood red at the top of the leaderboard and like they flash the leaderboard where I was sitting on the sixteenth hole, and there was audible groans. On the whole and then like they would updated on leaderboard another whole and you would hear it the other whole like, oh, shit, like this is all my look like. They're like, oh, we have to turn a match right now. If it ends the way it is right now, the US wins that was kind of. I mean, it's still a long way to go to kind of keep that, but it was like, whoa, this just got real and then it flipped back pretty quickly. It is Denver. It was a short period of time, but it was real there for a second. But I think we also, I mean, we've got pretty far into this and haven't really said enough about what j. t. did this week at four and one losing in that forum session that everybody lost in, but just playing five matches and then go and tote it. So th ROY Rory did not have his best Cup and did not play very well today, especially that back nine. But man, that's the guy we've been been wanting and needing for the Ryder Cup, and he he delivered. He had a lot of pressure on him coming into this, like he just has been so good for so long and actually never played in one of these. I thought he might actually kind of. Wear himself out, but man, his decision to play the French Open. I have no ideal in the correlation causation of that, but it looks like a good decision. I mean, he's a really good player so he probably could have figured it out if the head come. But it was a very smart to calm. You know what I was thinking about today as I was walking around, I, I walked with them for probably twelve miles or so before I dot, the internet goes start kind of figured out what I was gonna say, winner loss, but I was remembered thinking wave AC before when he kinda just broke onto the scene and someone asked him OJ rather a Ryder Cup, a major. He was like at Ryder Cup, and it was like a controversial take. It was like, what? Why would he say that? Like, I don't know. That's that seems so like and like I just he, he might be board for this event like he, you could tell it really, really, really matter to him and he was the guy who was out there like steely determination, like pounding his chest. He, I thought, you know, he didn't make a lot of birdies today, but Rory hit all. All over the map and kept making these ridiculous doubts. Rory short game was as good as I've ever seen it. JT just did not let it sort of break him like it would have been so easy to be demoralized me like, what am I gotta do to like beat this guy, and he just kept grinding and grinding grinding. And then he just noted that t- shot on eighteen which honestly think shook were a little bit that's made him. So reconsider clubs, like, all right, got it. Gets the fairway got a chance and and that's what sort of I'm really kind of admitted it or JT admitted afterwards, said, you know what? I'm sure it was a lot of pressure when I put the ball down the middle of the fairway and stuff. And then then it was kind of really great that JT like if you can hear this on the broadcast or anything, but like he grabbed ROY on the green was like, I just wanna thank you for like, always been so good to be like, you've always been such a like a kind person in really respect how you and everything like, thanks man. It was just kind of cool moment to sort of there wasn't any hate between them like, I'm sure there. They might not be friends, but they're certainly friendly and it was like a very great sort of finished his route. I, I do. I think they are friends. I think they're pretty. I don't. That's the only thing they hanging each other's houses and whatnot. Rory's got mostly kind of a private life, especially these days. But I remember back in twenty sixteen after the Ryder Cup talking with Rory. And he just he was talking about j. t. back then he's like, dude, this guy's talent. And then when he wants Sony, I just remember he like message meters. Like that's the guy right there. That's that's the guy. And when he when he wanted the PGA last year is like what I tell you about JT like he has a lot of respect for him so that probably along those lines out, imagine that very, I wouldn't say like a coach to JT. They're like four years apart in age or not even that whatever it is, but like they do get along really well and have a tremendous a lot of respect for each other and it's kinda. I wanted to tweet this, but I've got butthurt about it. But I want to tweet like on the team from Jupiter, Florida. Justin, Thomas. And on the t. from the other side of Jupiter, Florida, ruby. So speaking AT you. I don't think I've said this on the pot or anything, but you know that privately. I've been a little bit reluctant sort of think that he can win like a masters or a British Open and ready to walk back that take like he's got a enough game that like it doesn't matter. Like if he plays mostly through the air like he's he's gonna dust one of those horses someday and he's going to, I think he can, you know, win. You know, you can't ever predict someone could win the grand slam. 'cause a lot of really great offers never did, but he could easily win three of the four legs of what they are. But Seville helped me fill me in kind of on some drama that was being uncovered a bit today. I know that we knew that we kind of had an idea leading into that speed and read. We'll get broken up speed played well with JD, of course, lost a singles, match six in row between the President's Cup in the Ryder Cup, but that's a different animal. Patrick read looked completely lost. Play Tiger Woods in four-ball. What do we think happened with tween speeds? Read. So I could tell you a little bit of a combination based on what I know versus what I saw versus when I think happened versus reading. Some of Justin reads weird burner Twitter account, which was partly unveiled today in bouncing around the Twitter verse. There was a very, I would say, semi awkward moment in the wrestler afterwards where someone asked, you know, I, I really think they if they were a little bit smarter, ask the question they would've just put it writes, Patrick said battery. What do you think about not playing with Jordan this week? But they were like, Patrick. What do you think Patrick or gym or Jordan? What do you think about, you know, breaking up that pairing and read and Jordan like looked at each other from, they were sitting kind of opposite ends of the presser and they smiled at each other and they started each other for a good five seconds. And Patrick kinda raise eyebrows and looked back at questioner and in Jordan, jumped in was like, you know, we were just trying to make a couple of pairings. We felt really good about what we're doing and in furic jumped in and he was like, yeah, you know, I thought we. Two pairings obviously about any. He really tried to spin it like this was gonna be a good thing, and you know what? I think it was a good thing. I, I actually agree that it was okay with splitting them up because I think brand medicine on golf channel your, I don't know that there's any guarantee that page agreed is going to be like a generational player. Justin Thomas is and Jordan speaks already is. So you put them together. You're essentially building a great bearing for the next twenty years, but it's clear that to me that it did not sit all that well with Patrick and you can look at just in Reid's alleged Twitter account, sort of ripping people for saying that very thing that Patrick wanted to break them up. She sort of after she kind of confirmed that it was her on Twitter more or less disposals dribs suited Gulf dot com. L. d. like she kind of admitted and honor, it's winter count. She was like, you don't have to like to be able to play with Patrick, didn't wanna break it up. Patron tiger ask while somebody asked Jordan. And so in that moment like furic it's talking and it's clear like Patrick hasn't gotten a chance to answer any sort of sitting there and the moderators like, okay, okay, we're gonna go and I kind of shouted out like Patrick, Patrick, do you want to answer the question and project just kind of raises eyebrows. And he talked a little bit to one of the reporters on the side and was essentially like call me if you wanna know the answer so was call me or call us. It was call us. If you wanna know the answer, so not all is. Well, I think honestly, Patrick had gotten that question in just Patrick. Which is a good journalism lesson here always asked the person, just the person most likely to give the better answer. He would have probably caused a little bit of controversy in the in the country and that may still come. We'll see. Like I, I wish I had your number because I would definitely call him and just Steen and ask him what they think about that. And it's not that I think it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't the the wrong move, but it clearly bugged him a little bit and it was just he's an odd kind of duck in that sense, he wanted to. He want. He doesn't wanna feel disrespected. You're gonna wanna feel like slighted like he was not worthy of it of that of being in with the golden boy. And I don't know what did speak wreck that by saying at some point. Like, look, I just wanna play with this guy anymore. He's as annoys me with my friend. I don't have any problems around my friend. So tough question. It's probably something that the both of them should get the opportunity answer Auden in a press conference setting like that. Yeah, speculated leading up to it that I just had gotten the feeling and I don't remember who had told me or where at heard somebody say like Jordan would just like to get out from underneath that and the Jordan is used to being comfortable, and he's just not comfortable with Patrick for whatever reason packages plays so well, and he almost feels inadequate to him in the Ryder Cup was pure speculation, but said. I asked you a t about it leading up to do. I mean, listen, we've been talking about playing team events together for a long time, like I would love to play team event with with Jordan. And I think kind of we've been spinning this almost anti JT speeds momentum just because of how overblown everything is. But like truth of it is they are good friends. They're comfortable each other and went to bat for each other and really battled together, and that was that was cool to see it actually become a real thing, but then it's like, what do you do with read in Maine? Was he just an anchor to tiger? I mean, it was some of the lowest golf I've ever seen from a professional. It really was. It was it was atrocious like any dropped on m. f. bomb on the television and you know he was. He was hitting it at both water hazards, like the idea that he in any way contributed to that match was. No way like it. Just I, he me in will be so much because I really thought they met in pay enough attention to his form coming into the Ryder Cup European, say his full, lost his phone, but he totally did like didn't play well. And I thought he could just turn it around. I thought about him. Maybe what you thought about Phil was like he would just raise the stakes and be like, of course, I'm gonna play well, and he was a dog man. It was terrible. Yeah. So back to that foreign point, I know a lot of people are getting on me like saying like, oh, you guys are playing in the torch championship, and I was like, no, it's not. It doesn't matter said maybe I sealed our fate by saying tiger could win this week and go three. No, I'm sorry. He could win this week and he could go three at at Ryder Cup. Well, turns out he went, oh, and four. On top of that, like current form good or bad, doesn't necessarily mean anything look no further than Sergio who didn't make the playoffs. Got some time off plays a meaningless event in Portugal. Finishes top ten and then comes out and plays even better this week. I mean, that was extremely predictable and Jordan. Didn't even make the tour championship and comes out and plays really good golf the. I mean, it wasn't great here today on Sunday, but played really good golf. So it's all huge variable and you can't. Rory played well at the BMW and torched championship and didn't play great this week. So I don't know. It's all big. It's not necessarily something you can really matters. I guess it matters some, but it doesn't. It's not the end all be all. I guess I could say. Yeah. All right. We talk about your boy in Poulter just I sure do to again. Well, yeah. I mean, that was I, I kind of considered that or was expecting that at least some regard. He went five hundred. He was too into like he wasn't that good. Let's let's. There was some. Yeah, you're right. Like he was. He got dusted in one of those matches Kim to JT that, yeah, beat him her they got. Yeah, they spe- underrated moment. This Ryder Cup was all right. I was trying so hard to grasp at the Medina straws. It was ten, four on Saturday afternoon, just like it wasn't Medina and Ian Poulter is playing in the last match. And a putt was made by speak, and he did the Ian Poulter pounding of the chest to pose the match to make it ten, six leading into Sunday. Now the momentum felt entirely different, but I was like, hey, that is as similarity speed pounded his chest at Poulter. Can we talk about that for a second Libyan Libyan joy something from this Ryder Cup, I guess in credit like he is, he's gotten a lot out of whatever talent that he had like in this event will always identify with him like at some. It's he's not the player that Monty was, but sort of a similar thing like it is never. He's never got to win. He never was quite good enough to win a major. He never even really was that close who's not as close as Monte, but Ryder cups always sort of be part of his legacy ended. I think it'll be really fun someday when he's a captain. I think for whatever it is like I was I would love to talk about this Sunday, but. Could he is he just better at controlling the adrenalin that's in your heart a little bit when you're standing over putz in this event because everybody's nervous, everybody really wants it and he's just, you know, some of it might be skewed by just a memory of big putts, but like he just he really is much better putter this. He just makes big. Putts plays like is iron gamers. Driver isn't like outstanding, but he makes must make kind puts to keep is guys either in matches or. Put away matches. And that's, I think we gotta give credit for that. It's pretty awesome to watch. My question is why does it feel like this has happened like every three months or so like, no, I'm serious like he didn't play on the sixteen team. He was bad on the twenty four team. He didn't win a match. And why does it feel like when I'm seeing him, you know, pounding his chest and screaming. I'm like, oh, Yep, that's like, I've seen this fifty thousand times. I'm six years actually. Why does a just saw this makes I watched replays Medina, but man, I was just like that that that whole thing, not this guy again, please? No, and it happened. It just stab me right in the heart and just you own you own me in, I'll give it to you like, listen, I, hey, you with all my, I sports hate you with all my might and it just crush me. So. Question for you. What do you think of the way that furic handle Bryce into Shambo. Little weird Bryson, I think is a pretty. It's pretty easy to say he's a Centric, but I think what's also true about him is he's kind of sensitive. There was a moment that press conference tonight where European was like, oh, can I ask for question for all the rookies and female JT both talked in the moderator, it was like, okay, well, moving on and Bryson was like, what? What about me? Like? I feel like I have something to say, and so the Chris arms grind to a halt so that price could sort of say, but he looked like genuinely hurt. I was may be struck me as like kind of funny that we always make a lot of jokes about price, but I think that kind of someone who is, you know, he's very ITO in a way throwing clubs and like walking off in the middle of the rain session at the British Open, like with his hands on his aired like he can't eve- e- finish wet like fifth top fifteen in that event. Like if that's where you're completely lost, like you got a lot going on there. It's not just like math and science and analytics. It's also emotions and so I don't know. Maybe it would have. Better to get him out early in a format where he could just plays on ball and be comfortable and not have to have so much pressure like he, he didn't play that. Well, often play that great nephew match, but they both kind of couldn't pick each other up man by then it was like, was Bryson's Ryder Cup kind of over it was it was interesting one less thing. He his matches Ozzy last match today, the Sky Sports thing, and they were just appalled that he would not concede the batch so annoyed that he would not like he went to the drop zone on sixteen. The actually ended up having that old keeping extending it. They were just like like, they just wanted to get him out of the way the fascinating like super home rush sky, I think is great in almost everywhere covering probably superiors, everything United States, but the homelessness of the media there with it's just like a live and die with it and completely like, you know, oh, that's a nice American shot to two feet just rose. Just hit it to eleven. I actually I was actually, I watched the Sky Sports as well this week, and I'm a, I'm a big fan what they do, but the more I listened to the commentary was getting to me. I thought Butch Harmon actually is. He's a struggle bus in the booth actually, and it is. It's just such a, they were almost attacking. Paul McGinley was like attacking the American way of life basically like. The way you know America, American golf courses are just way wider than this. And it's just would say every fifteen minutes. They're not used to playing golf courses like this and it's and it was just over and over like, do we get it man like? So what happened in the in the press center when the Europeans one, it was a huge eruption of cheer. Of course. I'm not. I'm not kidding. It was an entire side of the press Prescott. Like I just couple of guys who are Brits who are great guys and got sort of a little bit better this week. You got a couple of when we were in Birkdale years ago. Great. Just fun people and they're sort of barest by because it's like, but just so many, what I think is so true joking about this, like there's a little bit of the New York media and the press in the British press. They're like homers. But then when things go bad, they just turn into vipers. Really turn on seems, but the the whole. Scale, like just roar that went up when Mickelson hit that in the water and took his hat off to sort of she it was. I was really like it was verisign, come on like just people were tweeting out me like, what's the problem? Like? Why shouldn't it be will cheer sick? You're covering an event, like, how are you going to sort of be objective amount. I mean, I, I wrote three things this week and they were all ripping the Americans. Like I, I'm an American and I like American Gulf and I wanna see them win, but I'm pretty like, I think I kind of like still able to look at it objectively. I don't think there's a lot of objectively going on in the other side of the the media center that day. That alarm that you hear in the background is the British media coming after you. The buddies coming Chris. What did you think of the fans much time? Did you spend actually out on the golf course, and what did you think of just kind of the overall atmosphere and the fans, the treatment? Everything that went on. It was great. I did not think that it was going to be as good as it was, and it was just, you know, it's fun. It's my first up in Europe and they just do like really everyone kind of kinda rolls football chance. But it's like just really fun when the whole crowd is like singing. Does. And like there was a point in the first match today when like they had like four different sections of the crowd chanting, Rory different times. So it was like it would kind of like echo throughout the EPA theater I was, I kept thinking like, how do they organize this? Like, how do they know? I think it's because they all grow up like as football fan of soccer fans. And that's the kind of thing that they do in those stadiums is kind of these cheers that are sort of singing variety, different things, and it it was never, I will say. Poor. Our kind of joke about how I was like fact checking the British fan behavior because of all the sort of talk about Albers has a so polite, European polite. You know, the fans as terrible. There were definitely a lot of European fans taunting Patrick agreed saying things, fatty Patrick and get in the water every time you know they booed. Now when he made that birdie putt, that bounced off the post in fell for like near pain fans are not like perfect. In any way. I do think that they're better behaved than the ones at Medina. I'm a willing to concede that, but it's not like there aren't, you know, assholes in that crew to it's just there's, there's a lot of fun. A lot of sport auto creativity. There were so many people there and they were. They were nuts. I think it'd probably if the next time the Ryder Cup is ever in Scotland, rangeland again, I would really love to go to that because I think we'll be fun to see that MS fear, but they turned out great and they were super supportive. Yeah. No, I think there's. I thought, hey, I said this on the pie when we did it. Last Hayes was definitely too far. There were idiots. There were. It was more than a small minority. There was like it was still a minority, but it was like there are a ton of people that were verbally abusive towards the players and it was not cool, just do. It was not great. I didn't enjoy that part of it that so the lows were lower at Hazeltine. The highs were also much higher like the actual cheers and the support was actually much stronger easel team, but just the highs were lower here and just a lows. We're not nearly as low, so it's kind of a million fans were totally fine. Everything cheering bad shots is totally within the spirit of the writer, but does happen in Europe. I don't want to ever hearing again that it doesn't and it'll it'll happening in twenty twenty beg we never cheer. Yeah, you do, which is fine. Just it just be. We're cool with it like, we understand. That's what you rooting for. That's fine. But let's just don't act like you're holier than. Everyone else and that regard. But I thought I was not a media member this week. I decided the week before I was actually going to end up coming, special shout out to be w for all for actually getting me hero, which was part of the only reason I actually ended up here as a fan, not the best logistical setup. It's just not there. They desperately need some overpasses to get players to and from certain locations to disallow fan traffic. And I mean, you can't go out and follow anything because you just get stuck and you never will see a group again or never. You can't get to where we wanted. When play ended. Friday morning, we were trying to get back to the. I t took forty five minutes, give him sixteen to one tea, which is like within earshot of 'em is such such a bad traffic jam. I'll say, willing straits is the worst outside the ropes. Just use me Cambridge as the worst outside the ropes viewing experiencing I've ever had. But this was one of the best viewing experiences. If you just wanted to see. Certain holes you could get, you could travel with the mounds around the holes like you could always see like the action. It was great. And so that was good. They just needed. You're right. You're dead on needed. Some overpasses need some tunnels. They needed better kind of like ways to traffic. It's amazing the way that Gulf people who understand that stuff kinda get it. I think usually the US open as a pretty good job with it. But you know when it course doesn't have those kind of overpasses to help kind of get the players over get. The fans could just go right under stuff it. It causes so many problems in your really stuck watching one or two. And that's what like, I don't know. I've I've only been to one open championship in the viewings not usually graded open championships, but like boy at Portrush like the guy came in is like building a tunnel behind. I forget which green it is because they changed some of the holes around the front nine, but behind maybe six green or something like that. There's tunnel. They spent like a quarter of a million pounds to build a tunnel behind one of the holes to just just to get fans from one side of the other just for fans. That's the kind of planning needs to go into it. And this is second Ryder Cup. I've been to outside the ropes and it's just, I mean, it's cool to to drink at and sit on a hill and observe and whatnot. But like it's just not the best. It's a fun atmosphere, but it's not. Great viewing experience fan experience, long lines, and it's I don't know what you do to it. I mean, you want as many people as you can, but it's just a logistical difficulty Fisher. So anything else we missed man, I kept you for an hour. I thought we'd do like forty five, but it's just too much to complain about. You know, I was just thinking about your take of, why can't we have the Ryder Cup every year. It's just such a fun experience. Maybe part of that comes because the build up is two years long, but like it's it's my favorite events, sports even still feeling a little less excited in. It wasn't I think, even with opposite, like CDS win, but I like a good story in the Europeans great story. I don't know that this Ryder couples quite as fun last time we had a lot of dramatic shots and and that's kind of maybe what the American offers like recovery shots, ROY mic, and walk off eagles and feeling Sergio throw in ten birdies at each other. And that Ryder Cup couples just a little bit more fun from the standpoint of, you know, the great Gulf that the amazing golf shots that we saw. But this one was still really cool in its own way. I didn't think it was gonna be what it was. It's it's really far removed. From Paris, and so you don't really feel like you're in Paris in any sense, but you know, it's being a suburb of Paris's at different than being in a suburb of Minneapolis, like probably. So I, I'm grateful that I get to do this for living come here because it's such a cool event. And I've always. Can you were there too? In the I t like it's a fun atmosphere when it's finally here finally getting to see the best in the world. Rip that opening teeshot it's nothing sports v. will sort of replace it. Yeah, I t is, is I haven't. I haven't missed it in any days in the last two Ryder cups because it's just such a such a cool. It's it's the only event, man, it's the only thing that matters. I maintain. I mean, that's what makes it hurt so bad. I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm pretty heartbroken about all this. You can't tell, but it's like it's it's the only event that makes these guys freak out like they played majors under pressure and Brooks KEPCO handle this differently than he does when he's in contention at a major that is what makes this event what it is and just the way the whole elements of all the team aspect is makes it so special. I, it just sucks like legitimately since ninety nine, there's been too exciting Ryder cups like Celtic manor Medina with only two. Citing ones and it's just like, it's it's, I don't know. That's why I was kinda thinking, do we want to trade off home and homes for eternity? And that's that's. I don't know. I don't think it's going to change, but we'll see. So it'd be. Point Kevin, enjoy your spend a couple of extra days in Paris if I remember. Right? Yes, I am see some sights and. Just kind of get cleanse the Gulf from me, maybe despair from Twitter for Lyle in be a regular human being, get on the Gary Player, workout plan, get back in shape. I've already made it all the euros from from my mentions, but I've worst game in Normandy tomorrow. I'm on the phone away for a couple of days, so, but heckuva season. Thank you so much for coming on the end of crazy long week and a lot of work for you, and they'll always appreciate your contributions here. So euros can always be grateful that our grandfather the made it so they can live in a free society thinking, we're gonna and we're gonna go check out where that happened and remind them of that on. So all right, signing off from a very disappointing Ryder Cup, but Kevin, thanks coming on. Cheers buddy time letter. Feeder right club today. That's better than most about in is better than most. Expecting thing.

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Curtis Strange Round

The Golf Podcast

1:36:31 hr | 2 years ago

Curtis Strange Round

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Nine text l. i. f. t. two seventy nine seventy nine seventy nine. Now on the t. it's Mattie the caddy here's Matt berry and Michael college. After today's should've your Tuesday time, this function onsides the caddy. I have the that dairy. We appreciate you download and subscribe at and listening to add indicating in the podcast as always hit us up on social media, Mattie end caddy, Mattie, and the word and catty CAD I e that is both Instagram and Twitter, and I have a story right out of the gate of a podcast. I've been waiting to do this particular podcast for five years. We'll get to that in a minute. Today's guest, Curtis Strange and unbelievable conversation about the Ryder Cup, oh, going to be a Ryder Cup preview podcast. You do not want to miss what Curtis Strange had to say just remarkable conversation with him that coming up. But first the story of why the podcast is late. So Collins and I are, we typically have a long distance relationship because of our setup with me, my hosting duties in Bristol and colleges, golf duties out on the PGA tour, correct. Well, this week this week are long distance is I am sitting here at ESPN LA. Because I'm here for promotional shoot and Collins is in Paris, France, nine hours away. Normally, at least we're in the same time zone. Yeah. So now nine hours different right now we're in different hemispheres, but here's why it's late. We we have only one person would make this avid yet. Only one person could make us do it. Had this great plan taped it on Tuesday. It was great. Curtis Strange Ryder Cup. We were full disclosure on Thursday. We said, hey, listen, we've taped this prior to the start of the tour championship so taping. Great, right, great. Our episode, you run your way to Paris. I was on my way out here to LA for the promotional shoot. And the one thing we said we literally put our headphones down. Talk with our producer. Last thing we said is like, you know, the only person that could screw this up, right? Is tiger. But what it is, I mean, seriously, what are the chances that tiger would win the torch have been ship? And then we would have to find a way through a nine hour time difference on different continents to figure out, come back and they'll do another make, you know what we should do. We should save out. You know what the original opening that we did. We should save that. And that could be part of one of the lost pieces to the podcast as well because like we have a lost episode and now we actually have a lost opening. How about this? Because you're going to be gallivanting through the Parisian hills next week. Maybe we just dropped that opening next week because you're not gonna tape next week. Yeah, because I'm going to be. I'm actually I'm walking the Eiffel tower which by the way it's bad form we'll get. We need to get tiger wood as bad form that after the Ryder Cup, we're not going to do one. We're gonna have to. A way to make this work. We're going to have to do something, you think. So maybe you know what? Here's what I'll do for the Paco's look. What do you think so? Well, here's the problem will remember we did do one right after the open championship. I'm going to get WinCo that night. Wait, you're going to replace me. No, we look if you can find it in your heart to work after the Ryder Cup for an hour, then we'll keep you. Well, you're the one that's going to happen to make time just -ment. I would think we'll get it figured out. We'll get it figured it all. This is to say, we'll figure out next week, but we had to readjust our plans because of Tiger Woods finding himself. And there are three layers of this. I want to get to. Here's the first layer and don't worry from here in perpetuity. I will drop you. I told you so until I can drop you, I told you so's anymore, but I want to start got, I would let line from Samuel Jackson because he's here what he say at the right up. You know, now remember I'm quoting this, so there's gonna be some bleeps. Okay. But this verbatim is what Samuel Jackson just told me on the eighteenth green as he was playing in the celebrity Ryder Cup match that they had here in Paris, France before the Ryder Cup got started. He goes, how about our boy. And I was like, how 'bout that? And he does quote all of those that try to say that they believed the whole time are some lion. I go close close quote, and I said to him, it's amazing how many people came out of the woodwork and said, I always believed. And then Samuel said again, and I quote those gin are some lion. Nobody. Nobody. Oh time he was hurt thought, yes, Samuel, wrong Samuel wrong. I know those people now is one of those people that said numerous numerous, maybe not on the podcast because we weren't on the record yet here on the podcast, but I would tell anyone who listened in our golf coverage when we were doing the masters when you were doing the US open, we were having all these conversations. My biggest thing with tiger was that he did it just overnight lose his other worldly skill set. They made it in the most talented player in the history of the game. He was compensating for injuries, and if he could get the injuries figured out, he wasn't just going to lose this Tiger Woods which is to say a once in a lifetime talent. He was compensating for things that happened to his back. We were waiting to see if he could get fixed. He got fixed. What trying to get me to believe is that at no point ever at no point ever through all the injuries and all the surgeries, did you not go. Oh man. It might be over. I did. Again, I quote Samuel Jackson, and I quote, unquote your relying on you got all you want. Okay. Just checking away so we can get him on the podcast and I wanna see the one expression on his face when you tell them that 'cause you know, bring it up and number two that I wanna see your reaction when he gives you that look and then says that to you. I'm gonna ahead messages. I've got text messages with people that date back of me talking about tiger are one of our executives that runs golfing ESPN Mike mcquaid. He and I would have conversations. He would look at me like I came into his office with my pants down, like what are. What are you talking about? What are you doing that. And I'm like, hey, look, look tiger, and but but Michael, neither here nor there, whether we thought this would happen the fact that it did now changes the conversation Gulf for the next three to four years because what we saw on Sunday, yes, with that crowd and that gallery. And that finish says to me that took us back fifteen years to the heyday of tiger and it was one of the greatest things I've seen in sports in probably the last three to four years. It proves the point that I have been screaming to the heavens for as long as people would listen to me. And as long as I've had a microphone and I've taught golf and that is Tiger Woods is not the needle, but he doesn't just move the needle. He's v. needle the standards on and the shipping crate. It came in that he still and I don't know for how long it will be, but it is. It is right now and it has been forever. He changes the sport, not just not just the ratings. He changes the sport itself. And now what I'll say about that you're one hundred percent right? Because Gulf had a moment where we had to get on without Tiger Woods and it couldn't. We tried with Jordan speed and they couldn't. I I wouldn't say couldn't. No you. Oh, you. You want me to Email you data of numbers that said that it couldn't survive without the numbers weren't zero. The numbers were down significantly numbers worse where but that's my. That's my point in this whole matter, if Gulf was going to make the attempts to get on post tiger. Look, the NBA had this moment post Michael before LeBron and before the second wave of hall of Koby there is a period right? There was a period where it wasn't good for the NBA because they were trying to figure out how to get on without Michael Jordan and Gulf was trying to do that. And even when we had Jordan versus Bubba, the masters in two thousand fourteen which was one of the greatest back and forth in masters history. No. The number. No one cared. No one watched except hardcore Gulf ends. And that's the difference between tiger and everybody else. Tiger made people tiger probably beat the NFL for that half hour. He was playing seventeen eighteen in walk it up. Yeah, and that's just it's so amazing. The amount of people who would like my phone in Paris was blowing up like, can you believe this is happening? This is real. I got people texting me saying I'm crying watching because I'm so happy and people were saying, I'm screaming in my house. I mean, I was screaming in the hotel room because it was, but I, I believe that's partly because of that notion that people were not afraid to go. I thought there was a chance that we would never see this and I don't. I don't. And there was, yeah, that's that's. There was a good chance. I always remember starting off this comeback because it was last year at the hero. And I remember like, you know, the crazy fans. So his crazy fans at the hero were like, he's gonna come back and he's going to intimidate all these do's and he's going to get back to the old tiger was and I remember asking him at the at the end of a press conference tire. All these crazy people on Twitter. Like did you can't tell nothing that are saying like, you just you come back, you're going, what do I tell these people? I wanna tell them, look, I talked to tiger myself, would I tell them? And he goes, might. Just tell them all in China due to hit a fairway. And then if I hit the first fairway, cool, if I hit the green, that'd be nice. Like within fifteen feet. That's all I'm trying to do is on the first hole. I just want to hit a shot and hope it's in the fairway and then and and I was like, how and flash forward to this past week and it was like, okay, we've seen tiger put a couple of good rounds together seriously. Can he really do this for a four day in a row? And that was going to be six of the last eight weeks that he's played. This guy who at one point when we again, when we was at hero walking on the practice rounds, he was telling me Mike, there was a time that someone had to help lean me over and I couldn't get out of bed and I was Lillard kit. Yeah, he was the bucket next to his bed and someone had to lean them over because he could move himself. And now there's do wins the door championship and almost won the FedEx Cup like we were owned by Disney. We don't write movies like that. No, and that's, I think I would. I know, look, we're prisoner the moment, but I can't think better comeback in sports history. And if you looked at tiger, this was his eighteenth tournament this year also by the way, what a great way to get his eightieth career win. But if you look at if you look at Tigers progression throughout these eighteen tournaments, Michael, if you wanna listen to your co host here on and the caddy you, you could pick out different podcasts. I said, okay, the driver wasn't there. He's got that figured out. He's gotta get that in play, and then you're responsible guys never played tiger. Okay. You'll get the driver worked out. Danny had putter issue where he went away from Scotty to a. Volkswagen beetle on a stick back to a Scotty, Cameron the scare hosmer and and then back to the Scotty Cameron, he got the putter figured out. It was basically watched him Michael, do the course of four days at e sake with the narrow fairways. We saw him round by round, pick up confidence swing by swing, and I am convinced on that front nine on Saturday when he birdied six of his first seven holes when he started that round and he went on that run to me, you could see it clicked like, all right, I've got it. We're winning this tournament. I remember I think their first birdie on Sunday on number one. Yeah, I think because even tiger has nerves, you know, he talks about having nerves, you know, feeling the butterflies and whatnot. I think knowing he knew the position that he was in how long it had been since he been in that position standing on the t- on Sunday with a three-shot lead. The fact that he made birdie on the first hole. But you know, even tiger said in his press conference here at the Ryder Cup because of course everyone wanted to ask him about it. But even he said he missed an all the right places. Yeah, and that's what it's always been about for tiger. It's never about him hitting the middle of the fairway every single time because he just doesn't do that. But if he misses in places. Yeah, that's. And that's the game of golf. Golf is not a game of perfect. That's why they named the book after it. It's all about Bob Rotella. That's one of the best golf books that you can read if you play golf and you really want to understand the psychology golf, read gall a book. It's a really Dr Bob retailers book. It was the first one he wrote and is probably the best one they wanted, I think is his best one. And that's that's was good to see. Tiger. I like when tiger doesn't hit it perfect. But you can see the confidence that he has hitting the neck shot going. Oh, I got that. That would cause that's. Yeah, because he said there were a couple of times where you're watching that tournament and when he got up to the t. when he knows that he got on a driver, he knows that he's in the fairway the way that he was hitting his irons. There were a couple of times where he was in that discipline like a one twenty two and one twenty eight one thirty. You knew he was sticking it inside ten feet and he knew he was going to do it and the and the people even playing. Yeah, while get to that, that was part two of what I was going to say before you sort of quoting Samuel Jackson, but the by favourite part. One of my favorite parts of the tournament was Johnny Miller. One point. One point diving it's up to the DEA. Johnny goes, well, let's see if he could keep it out of there right. It rough and tiger goes three forty, five mayor's office twirls the club. I like the Johnny Miller line after tiger made a putt in Johnny goes and that distance right there is why I started announcing. Now he knows he's got no chance against tiger. Yeah, that's what an speaking of no chance. How how much you think Rory is hoping that he'll see tiger no more. I love the showing, Hugh you attention span and memory of everyone. People who were coming out going, hey, I think ROY is gonna take tiger down. Wait. Did you not remember what happened in LA when they were paired together? Like everyone forgot about LA. He played the first two rounds with Tiger Woods. And after both rounds said he got a headache and he doesn't know how how your does it that tiger. This was ROY said the Haggar gives up a shot and a half to the field. Every time he tees it up because it craziness around him. Now Rory tiger takes his shot and a half from the field and whoever plays with them. Rory gives up like four. Shots every time that man is because. Wrote tiger was going Rory, rose, and everyone was like Roy's the next one. He's the guys and we were all trying to say, yes, he is. But even if you combine Rory Jordan, Dustin, just in Brooks. And Ricky, even though regain when a major you combine all of them together and you don't have what tiger had to go through as far as stop. There's stop there part two of what I was getting at with tiger that you have fought me on since we've started this podcast, you've thought on this river. When I said tiger is gonna win again and tiger is gonna win. Another major. You listed those same players of nihay because he's got to go through this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, and this guy what I saw on Sunday in the first time that Rory and tiger repair to the final group on a Sunday is I saw Rory wilt in front of the. The pressure and he couldn't take the greatness of Tiger Woods guest as other young guests whose name y'all can't either hold on this two different things though, because guess whose name I did not mention when I said about the guys coming up, who you know why? Because I, I seen ROY action with tiger and I know that's the guy who can't hang. I'm talking big picture because it's all well and good when these guys are dominated a two or sands tiger. It's all well and good because they don't have to deal with it. It's even all well and good when they don't have to be paired with them. But if you put Jordan, we had this argument if you put speed and tiger in a final group on a Sunday, Jordan doesn't stand a chance. Yeah, I'm not going there. I'm not going to say no. Say that Jordan playing his best. Jordan being Jordan, Jordan, Jordan who won Jordan who won the master's, that Jordan Spieth. Yeah, he tiger, yeah. Yeah, that do the George b, that won the masters. I'll put him on a Sunday, found a group with tiger any day and the hill hold his own. But this is to say Michael, that that with all of these young players that took advantage of a few year window where tiger was trying to find himself personally professionally with his injury, they haven't had to compete in the same field that Phil did that Ernie is completely these other players. So they know what I agree, but you know what the other thing that you have to admit to is this Tiger Woods is not that Tiger Woods. No, you're right. Like that Tiger Woods. That's how you woods back then who was going against film beating Ernie and wearing VJ out. That's how your woods didn't. He didn't have any guys. He hung out with like on the golf. He didn't have any golfers that he was hanging with other than Marco mirror. And the only reason he was hanging with Marco MIR was because he could woman's behind every day and they were neighbors. Yeah, like, but he didn't have any people. He didn't. None of his contemporaries did he hang out with where like Jordan and just in and smiley, and Ricky lake them all hang out together, we'll guess who hangs out with him in Jupiter guess who even gave them credit for getting them back on the golf course to play so much this Tiger Woods. That's what I'm saying. I guess he's going to be guest is going to be the same guy when they go between the ropes who's gonna wanna stop their head in. It's tiger and they don't know what that's like. Yeah, but they also. No. You think Tigers he takes all their money all the time when they play at home. Yeah, but that's a well. That's a, that's a bad example because this is wild because it's here's what's different. What's different is like, I like I was saying before earning never played practice rounds with Tiger Woods, like just at home for fun. So like you just in already like Justin. Thomas is a great example. So when they ask just in Thomas a. what you're gonna do when tiger like goes up to the t. and now he don't talk to you and just goes, I'm gonna do the same thing. I always do. They is all right. If he wants to play like that coup play, bring it like this. What I mean, it's it's completely different. It's completely different. When your friend big times you as opposed to Tiger Woods the intimidating tiger from two thousand two thousand four, two thousand seven like that dude was intimidating because when he stepped at t, I never plano practice rounds with him at home. We never had lunch together like we didn't hang out. I didn't wait for him. That was the other thing that was cool when tiger one thing all the guys that was standing there waiting for them Kuch Ricky Bryson, Jason, that was. Awesome moment. It was the same thing tiger did for Brooks at the at the PGA championship you ever see Tiger Woods back in the day waiting for anybody, but you Michael, your your taking this at a very psychological level with I take. That's I don't think that's what's in play here. What I woke is in imitation is all psychology. Intimidation is all psychology. That's all psychology. It's getting in somebody's head. That's what I mean. The reason that those are the reason that people couldn't play with tiger back in the day is because they were so scared being around him. Did they couldn't play their own game? That's intimidation. That's at your head, but that I did it. Great. I'm glad that they're all friends now. I'm fine with that. I think it's good for the sport, but tiger does. It need to be intimidating tiger like back in the day that he does now because the thousands of people in the gallery do that for him because now these players are dealing with a Tigermania in intimidation, the roars, the game within the game, the putting the walking up to the grain. That's a whole different type of intimidation that these players didn't have to deal with friends or not. That stuff that they can't control that is true. But again. Why gang showed everyone how to beat tiger. She got your playbook. You go to this, you go to the stand example wasn't Jiang, it's because that's the problem. I think it'd be perfect. It's it's not that why Yang was not perfect day and leave the entire imperfect on Sunday either. I'm just I, I still believe, and this is where people getting fuses, where I got killed on Twitter was because they came out the woodwork. It was like, yeah, see, tiger showed you show me what I. I've been saying forever that I believe Tigers going to win golf tournaments. I completely believe that. I still think he's going to dominate in golf tournaments. I still think he's gonna get more next year. It's going to be a great year for tiger next year, but everyone now is going to be waiting until we get to the masters, wait till we get to the master like the massive is a long time from, let's start out with Tori behind. Let's start there. He's one there. I don't know, hundred and thirty seven times. Let's just go there and see how we do. The other thing tiger did that he never used the do to tiger never miss cuts. He missed to Custos year healthy. Tiger missed two cuts. One of them was the US open like, okay. Yeah, and that's. That's okay. We just I'm trying to get p. I'm what I'm trying to do is make sure that people temper their expectations and don't don't go all in like, hey, now to Tigers back, he's gonna win all four majors next year. Then he's he's already to betting favourite in Vegas, but that's only because everyone has a short memory is the same thing with the European media that they did with a Rory's, ROY. He's got a chance to take tiger torch championship. No, y'all forgot. LA already like AM been nine months. So tiger is great what he's done. But when mitt multiple majors again, he's gonna catch. Jack, come on. He's now. And I do think people are getting ahead of themselves with where they think Tigers gonna go all this was this weekend was the culmination of a comeback that we've seen different pieces of and he did miss cuts, but I don't care that he missed cuts because it was just a next tournament trying to figure things out. And we saw glimpses of it in the vowel Spar. We saw glimpses of it at different tournaments. He was in contention at Bay Hill. He then got in contention. It was actually leading the open championship on a Sunday, same with the PGA championship. So we just saw little snippets of tiger greatness. We were wait for him to put all of those together into one and he did what that means from here. I don't know. I legitimately thank this Tiger Woods that showed up this weekend. If I, if Eastlake tiger shows up in Augusta, he wins the masters going away. I firmly believe that will that happen. I don't know. But what I do know sit in here taping this podcast and l. l. you're in Paris, is that tiger. Has the ability that we saw this weekend to now put it together and win tournaments. I completely agree t- has the ability to put it together and win tournaments tournaments. Majors are. How do you think now that we might as well take advantage of of tape of this late on Tuesday because of our travels? What's been the atmosphere at the Ryder Cup with tiger coming over there with victory who it's it's different. So of course they were out practicing today and it was tiger and Phil with Bryson d, Shambo, and Patrick Reed and all the talk. Now the buzz us and fill didn't. He threw gas on the fire. But the buzz is that tiger and Phil gonna play together. Who I know, I know so, and you everyone's talking about four ball, so it's just tiger Phil playing together instead of playing alternate shot. Both of 'em play their own golf ball. Put them out three times in four ball, like imagine that right there, and you know, feel kind of talked about how they're at both of them are in a place in their life where they're, they're both not only ready to do it, but would be an almost want to do it. Because they both Tigers only one one Ryder Cup on the in. He's what's the last seven. He's one one fills never one one on the road. Never. So they're Ryder Cup record for teams is not good at all. So the fact that the two of them kinda wanna come together and go, let's do this together. It's that just gives me goosebumps. Dude, thinking about the fact that those two are like our men. You know what me and you. Just go to take his picture of them, like even on the three, what you didn't even want, you didn't fill in the roster. See, look, what did I say when it comes to fill and someone asked him that he wouldn't answer any even fill said. Phil said, this is in all likelihood, this is my last team event. That was the last thing he said. Of course, he started by talking about how the coffee over here and the bread is so much better. And then he looks at the middle of misty and he goes, you know what I mean? Right. Mike. And of course the whole place explodes laughing, and I was like, I'm not gonna lie. He was like, I had bread last night. I was like last night. He goes the bread last night and I go last night dude. I had to croissants less than an hour ago. And of course the whole rule bus up laughing again and even feels laughing. So it was great. So. I said, and I still think this my fear is that this is Phil's last Ryder Cup, and I don't want it to be away from home. I want fills last Ryder Cup to be home in the US now. Hell no go, none. Go overseas. Go grab it. Go take what's theirs over there and bring it back. Title ours right now, and I want us to keep it and bring it home. Zane. Valuers I'm just nostalgic because I, I know what Phil means to the United States golf fans, and I know that there's been too big separate tiger and Phil camps that are slowly also trying to maybe not even trying, but might be trying to make peace as well since the two of them are making peace. And I just think if you had a chance to put that supergroup in the United States together, and that's their swan song, like the two of them, it's that literally is bad boys part three like that's Will Smith and Martin Lawrence, as Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods back to back like guns blazing going out in a room for bad guys like you. We can argue that bad boys. Two should have never been made period, but I'll I'll, I'll buy your analogy, no mass when they said we ride together, we die together. You got a great quote Atta the, but the original was just so good of let me give you a couple of nuggets in our apologies for the delays Michaels over impairs. Again, I'm in l. as we've got a little bit of a delay every time I try to respond to each other, we typically FaceTime and so there's would stepping all over each other sometimes for our apologies for that. But I do want to give you some nuggets before we get into our Curtis Strange conversation which again, Ryder Cup history, remarkable. Some of his bands was seven by stereos, some Ryder Cup nuggets. The home team has won five of the last six Ryder cups dating back to two thousand six and the Europeans haven't lost a Ryder Cup at home since nineteen ninety three. Who and if you, that's why I want captain Phil to go get it. Captive, do. We'll give Jim Feerick a lot of credit. Like the last time we were over here, the whole Tom Watson tobacco happened, and that is the very nothing even, you know what Phil did say, fill said that the whole Tom, well, he didn't say his name, but he said the last time the we're over here for years ago. That's when the relationship for him and tiger actually started like, that's that's where the men started because they decided that they had to come together, hit that him and tiger had to come together and figure out a way that to make the team thing work. So that's where it started, which is wild to think that that so even though it was a horrible thing that happened with Tom Watson that actually weaken thank Tom Watson for bringing starting to bring tiger and Phil together, how cool is. Is that like there's always a silver lining right there. It is. And now you look at it. I was talking to folks back in Bristol about this. Now you can kind of look at what Tigers done for the Americans. I mean, how poetic is it been a guy, gets his eightieth career victories still chasing Sam Snead at eighty three, but he gets this victory, but you couldn't pick a better player to win the week before the Ryder Cup. Because in that victory Tigers now take this entire roster and his looking him in the, let's go. Yeah, yeah. And tiger understands to like how his his Ryder Cup teams haven't been hit. The records haven't been real great, but he also understands that there were a lot, the pressure that was on him and on those teammates were completely different than the vibe that's around this team. Now he doesn't feel the pressure tiger. I mean. I don't think he feels the pressure. In the burden of it's it's all on his shoulders. That he used to. But that was also because we were talking about it before a guy who's the intimidating Tiger Woods. He's not gonna be good on team. Because you're right. A team of it only happens once for one week. That's like, I'm not going how I got to pretend to be your friend and we cool hanging out in the team room and then for one week. And then after that, though, they'll talk to me, we're not hanging out. It's not cool. So now it's not like that. This is why this, why that win last week for tiger was so awesome because we saw I'm doing air quotes, nice guy. It's higher win. You have new tiger figures out of nice tiger can win and then still step on their throat. On between the ropes we get three years at this, I think of healthy tiger being competitive. All right. Before we get to Curtis, Strange, cou I want quickly. Let's you let their fries. You've been there about three and a half days. Now, what has been the most Michael Collins purry experienced so far. The French serve French fries with everything. Through its mayonnaise to well, yeah, that's parts kinda weird. You know what you would love about this place. They also they are crazy for Tabasco yo like you, I know. Yeah, I know. But you know what? Like I'll never be able to eat a croissant in the United States. Again. They're so buttery and flaky off just everything about the bread over here. I don't understand why there are more fabulous over here for as many. They've been nice to you. Yeah, they've been really good. I'm about to put up a bunch of pictures all social media. So today, walking around two things happened one. There's guys that aware in all European. These European jacked out suits with an these wigs that are French colored hair, and it's great. It's flying. It was great and I'll go, hey, can I get a picture of you guys? And they're like, yes. Would you like picture to get into picture with us? After we take the picture those guys like, hell, you welcome to France. We hope you enjoy yourself here. Have a great time. NS. Thanks, man, this that means a lot. Merci. Beaucoup my friends. They were like. They were like. So you you had street cred with Seba. Sheba. I said Maher c. yes. And I said, Bonjour, apparent, look, man, bones. You own Swazi good went to drop them a boom soi. Yeah, not doing that for the same way. Now you're trying to get me hated over here, but I say messy and a messy Bogu and emboss boss wa most wa. Good morning most want. But I always say you give me favorite for the social media? Yeah, for Matty and caddy. Can you? Can you posted video of you narrate any giving yourself play by play beating at croissant and post on matting the caddy Instagram. For me. Yeah, I gotta find gotta find yet because okay, there's actually a bakery right next door to the hotel. So yes, because you kind of. That's not right next door, man. This just when that break comes out and his warm and stuff like watching people watching people come out or just walking around carrying a bag yet. That's like three feet long, and they're just one end of this bag. Paper bag is opened and they're just who went on it and it's like, it looks so right, and I keep thinking, we go home and you hear people all the time. I'm on his died and I cut out all bread and I'm like, you, you need to go to France because everybody over there is pretty skinny. They're in pretty good shape and they drink wine and eat a loaf of bread a day a day. I need a VO from Brennan with some butter and they put cheese, you eat a loaf of bread and a role, the geez every day. And how do you look at skinny? It's crazy. I think you need some alone. Time, my goodness, you'll want to leave me alone in no bakery us. You know, here's the thing come out of there and your barest. I'm beat. I'm a writer by. You're right about that. The people over there, like we've been my wife and I had been to perish, and we've been to Italy in all these people do is eat in there all skinny and beautiful. Yeah, but I'll tell you what they are aggressive drivers, put it drive angry when the two taxicabs and mies do's. And I kept saying, hey, man, we not in a hurry. It's going to be the same price no matter what time you get us. There's is, okay, man, chill. There's a, there's like twenty seven billion scooters and motorcycles, and there's no lines on the road for good reason. They wouldn't follow him. It wouldn't rely on the road and their their suggestions, not even Ned so that they just tore them up just, you know what? Forget it. You wanna go eight wide on a street that's been around for eight hundred years. Knock yourself out. Go crazy. These guys Dr gr- I feel like I should put a helmet on anytime you get into a taxi. But other than that, I mean, it's been great going around. I did and it's all social media. Now on the from the hotel, the girl at the front desk said, all before you leave, you should drive around the art. They Triomphe and I was like, yeah, and she goes off their worst road in France, maybe in the world. And I was like, you're telling me, I need to go do that. Not it's all right. Good riveting. You. Two on the way to the golf course, the arthritis into the circle of art Detroit. Yeah. And here's our American ambassador, an awesome experience. So it's all social. All right. So we'll check that out Michael Collins or American embassador over there for the Ryder Cup coming up. Next, the conversation with Curtis Strange, we wanna pivot from tiger two Ryder Cup would a remarkable week. It's been for the sport of golf. Curtis Strange coming up next on Madina caddy matting cat brought Ricky always wanted to play baseball in the majors. He was playing catch before. He could walk practically live to the batting cages. He was behind home plate more than he was home and one day after all that hard work be found himself walking into a major league baseball stadium. After buying a ticket at the gate, a news bleed seats obscured by poll, but he was in there. No, Ricky never did play in the big leagues, but he did switch his car insurance to gyco proud partner of major league baseball, which saved them a lot. So well in all things were good. You know, Ryder Cup week there is a better in Basseterre to the great United States of America. Then our friend of the podcast work with him at Augusta, National for the masters, a two-time US open champ five-time Ryder Cup participant, including captain in two thousand two. Curtis Strange joining us now. And Curtis, what is Ryder Cup week? Like. Unlike anything else you ever experienced in your life as a professional golfer, thanks for having me guys at I. I actually look forward to this in a in a statistical kind of way. I feel like I'm getting ganged up on here, but you know what better way to start the rata Cup is is to talk about it and you know, we talk about it leading up to the last couple of months who's going to be on the team. What are the teams look like? We'll tiger play Willie, not. You know these Shambo k the list goes on, so, but for the players and and for the I think you hear it the best way I can describe it is some players who had never played those play saying, you can't be that big a deal or it's, you know, it's Mellish to whatever. When they finally make the team to come back and say, while I wanna do that again. And that's, that's the best description I can have. It's unlike anything you've ever do. I love the fact that the guys who have never played in before, say, you know what? I just I'm going to try my best to keep it as a normal tournament. I know it's a little bit different. I'm pretty sure I know what to expect and then they come back and go. I've never been that scared before standing on. You know, I never got like that, sir. You're Darvish and and your and your nervous for for many different reasons. And that's part of why it is special. You know, you wanna. You wanna represent yourself well, but you have eleven other teammates and a captain in assistant captains that you really wanna perform well, you wanna hold up your into the bargain. You know the waving the flag out there which is a pretty big simple for us. And if you're planning on home soil, you've got thirty thousand or or in two years ago in Minneapolis, fifty thousand rooting like crazy for you. So there's a lot on the line and knowing full well in a in a negative kind of way that if you don't perform well, you're gonna get right on the coast, so but you know, back in the day, I quick story my I wrote a couple of nineteen Eighty-three in Palm Beach. Jack nNcholas was the captain which is pretty special and I was young and Jay Haas. Now we're both on the team together as rookies and you know, we're playing on the same team skies or our heroes growing up Floyd and nNcholas being cafe. And Irwin and that and the likes. And so you quite nervous doing that. But you know, I never got to where on the, I t that I was scared. I know that part of the conversation I can tell you is that so Sunday afternoon is about fifteen hundred people out there. Watching the end of the matches. That's how it's changed in in a few short years. You know, we went over and loss at the belfry in eighty five and came back in eighty seven, and it became very big over here twenty five or thirty thousand Deerfield village. So in my lifetime I've seen it grennell into something that is really quite frankly the biggest event in golf, not competition, not the majors or the WGC's or whatever you wanna call them. But the event and expect to go that the fans love to watch. Curtis take us. You've had both vantage points that I find interesting as a player, and then as the captain take us inside the locker room, what's it? Like with the players in the captain's throughout the competition. Well, I think that that's, that's some of it's a bit off limits, but it is. It's like high school or college team sport. It's fantastic. I was I grew up playing high school basketball and running track. Literally early on, and I love teams for us. You know, I, I gravitated toward golf and I think you know raises for that, but team sports, there's nothing like it. You get to route four and you know, pump somebody up or have somebody pump you up or win together, or you know, sadly lose together. So you got coaches. I, I just, I just love it. So it gets back into that mode of team sport and your route like hell for each other. They come together as a team, don't believe anything you've ever read as far as not coming together as a team. And Michael, I think you've seen that as the guys try really, really hard and they, they enjoy to this company and. No, quite frankly, there's some guys that make the team over the years. It hasn't been best friends with most of them on the team, but they learn to appreciate them and they learned to respect them and they come come away that week with a greater understanding to their fellow guy who they didn't understand before as well. That's a good thing. And that's one of the things about the Ryder Cup and even the President's Cup is that guys who normally. Would look at each other and kind of go, don't want to be run a guy. I don't really like that guy that much. Now when you're forced in team room with someone who you may have had some thoughts of before you actually sat and talk with them or got to know them once you're forced in that room