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1619, Episode 5: The Land of Our Fathers, Part 1
"It just be careful because he will slice you not a better sound to to hear that your came move very to turn over that dern into watch this thing from. I'm a few inches to grow into. Almost a twelve foot stalk is just amazing. Realize is how depressed I get you know when I see people getting ready to play king because that was my time of the year I would wake up and just so pumped ready to go to the shelf dolphin start repairing wagons bow with my you know that was mine how misset. I miss it so much. I I can't say enough how I miss this. I mean do you think the fields miss you not miss me because I used to talk to them all the time hi. What would you say I mean. I want you all to do well. I want y'all to grow whale sound silly to her. I in Lega. Why are you talking to dirt but it's just like the low of the you have to land is just. I mean it's unreal. It's unreal. In what would you say that now that I wanted back wonderland back from the New York Times magazine. I'm Nicole Him Jones. This is sixteen nineteen in the fall of eighteen sixty four at the height of the civil war. One of the most famous Union Generals William tecumseh Sherman begins his march out of the city of Atlanta to the sea and his sermon and his men make their way through Georgia black southerners are seeing an opportunity and so by the thousands they start to leave the plantations where they've been enslaved and are falling behind Sherman's troops as they make their way to the coast I but these newly liberated people. Were not exactly welcomed. Sermon Chairman didn't actually opposed slavery and so he's really not as sympathetic to those who are fleeing these plantations and he also sees them as a drain on his resources purses. There are families they are people of all ages young and old who need food and care and they are slowing the troops down MHM by December of that year. Some Sherman's troops are about to approach Savannah and they come up on a creek that is both with two wide and to deep to cross without a bridge so the troops star building one and instruct the black people were following them to just this weight that the troops need to cross I but then they'll be able to come after but the confederate army is on their heels and once the Union troops cross they break up the bridge leaving all those people who had just escaped slavery Kehinde to face either the icy waters or the rebel army that was in pursuit. It is a massacre some of them drowned trying to swim across others are trampled or shot to death and those who remain are captured and Rian slaved when work. It's back to Lincoln Secretary of war Edwin Stanton. He is outraged. He has Sherman pulled together a meeting with twenty black church leaders. There's a transcript of this meeting and it shows that these two men Stanton and Sherman actually turned to this group group of black leaders and ask them. What do you want for your own people speaking for the group. One of the men tells them the way we confess. Take care of ourselves is to have land and turn it until it by our own. Labor that is by the Labor of the women and children and old men we consume maintain ourselves and have something to spare and what's remarkable is at Sherman turns that request of those men for for land to work for themselves into a government order special order number fifteen. It said that the government would take four hundred thousand acres that it had seized from the confederacy and split it up among those thousands of newly emancipated people. This becomes is what is perhaps the most famous provisions at the reconstruction period which we all know as forty acres and a mule. President Lincoln Approves Order but soon after he's assassinated and Andrew Johnson a southerner who had once lay people himself takes over the presidency and quickly overturns it and within a few short months the small amount of land that had been distributed to black people returned word to white southerners. Do you want me to pull around. Maybe that's a good idea again. Tell me about your trip to Louisiana so I went to Louisiana. Because despite the fact that forty acres on a mule was reversed the land was taken black people actually managed to acquire significant amount of land now. Let's navigate by the nineteen eighteen twenty s black people owned about a million farms which is actually fourteen percent of all the farms in the country at that time which reflected selected the population of black people but in the decades that followed that number has dropped drastically from fourteen percent to below two percent. Oh and so to understand why that's happened. I went down. They'RE GONNA get go with another producer. Any Brown. Only daily live call in talk show to a city just a couple of hours outside of New Orleans uh-huh be fruitful and multiply or the streets are named after plantations. It's harvest time or car and the crops that grew during during slavery still drive the local economy Granite Bay Dark Moody and where many people can trace their family line back to the enslavers flavors or the enslaved like Angie and wants list provost junior. My name is winless provost junior. I go by the name of June provos. Have you ever met a winslet's before has spelled W. E. N. C. S. This L. A. U. S. I the school was always rough would win. Solicit wind clause when sausages winchester it you name it. I've been called yes and then high school. They just started calling me. June provost because I was a junior so I was okay with that June Bug Aka Mommy so June Angie descend from a long longline sugar cane farmers going back prior to emancipation sallow Charles L. great great great grandpa okay they might have to our farm and each generation in case was able to pass down the livelihood. June's owns family is so important historically to the areo. His great great grandfather taught his great grandfather and his great grandfather taught his grandfather. June's family was one of the larger fines and his grandfather taught his dad long as I can remember remember my dad. He would always call me. He's right hand me and that was his los and for me. He would take me riding with him like all the time so for June. That training started did early. He was driving his first tractor when he was seven like what did it feel like for you to be driving the truck. Oh always like small near the year. I thought I was on top of the world. I mean I was like I'm driving tractor at seven years old. That was a toy for me. That was amazing in my thing was just to be next to my dad. That was my my whole. Oh next to my dad. I mean just those little moments like okay for instance. Now we have tractors that drive themselves by the time when you want to draw a straight row we had to pick pick a tree or something very far to make a straight Arrow in our never forget looking at my dad pointing a tree out and might have been like three three quarters of a mile possibly like pointing one tree out in making a straight road and I remember we had land owners will come in and see how you do that so straight and my dad was the one to do that and it was like my dad is a bad man like really like. I mean like I want to do that. One day June saw the connection his dad had to the land but like a lot of sugar cane farmers most of the land his dad farmed was rented ahead from white landowners and so when June's dad was finally able to buy a track of land. It was sixty track June understood what is father father was actually working for that. was you know one of the first big pieces of land that he bought in. I remember we chop the land up. We clean trees. I mean the land was looking great in when we started drawing the rose up you know we were talking just like all of a sudden just something it just came over him. He dropped to his knees in in he just kinda grabbed a dirty. You see this is marlene and nobody can take this. Uh when June graduates from High School His dad gives him twenty one acres basically so he can start his own farm and June's thinking he's GonNa be out there with his dad all summer but then his dad gets sick he has to go in for heart surgery tree so at eighteen years old June is left responsible with one of the most important jobs on the farm planting Cain was was that your first time ever being responsible planting. Yes I remember all my workers would ridicule me because I would like be on my hands and knees making sure you know. I didn't put too much dirt when you're covering when you know you're supposed to June is so neurotic about doing a good job that he's on his hands and knees making sure that the cane is covered with just the right amount of dirt and that following year I remember telling my dad. I see you know what the Qena planning came better than the ones yellow flame altogether because we caught a great stand I mean it was just beautiful awful. Is that the year that you guys all wine in ninety four. I think it was a nineteen ninety four so every year. The state has this contest and they award the farmer who produces the most sugar per acre in that year there. I was actually I in the non. Quote Unquote is when you had like one hundred hundred acres or less so I was actually the number. One State in my dad was thirteen in the state of Alabama. Stay so that was a great year for us. You'll be in your dad yells beating my dad exactly yes and I and I and actually we talked about that for a long time. Yes I rang him. Yes and what also happened is they caught the attention of everybody buddy in the area word of mouth started going around in like land owner after len on her come into us one is to form their property and that's how we just started expanding even even more and this is how it is for the next decade or so businesses good. June and his dad are taking more land leases farming more property and in in the middle of all this is when he meets Angie. Let's get it crack elected all right so even though her family had lived in Texas for a number of years her ancestors were sugar cane farmers from Louisiana so when she met June it was as if I've known him for centuries like doc our past lives were together are something it's so really deep. They clicked immediately. We were going to concert in Baton Rouge. They were going to to Keith Sweat concert own nice. June's a huge Keith Sweat Vam as my. I'm only familiar with Keith sweat as part of the Army Canon of baby making music. That's not why I like it. Just playing it is and basically their their moment is when they hear make it last forever. All you make it last forever. Yes when I turn to and I started seeing into needing being bess how you sound and so when they get married they have a farm theme wedding they put sugar cane leaves on the walls like as decoration almost like reef and then after the reception they wrote off in a tractor is so cute. Vinci Very Close Sarah. Kane is really their lives. Yes sugarcane is one hundred percent their lives aw that's where the problem mm-hmm really starts to kill. A MOCKINGBIRD is the most successful American play in Broadway history says sixty minutes rolling stone gives it five stars calling it a landmark production of an American classic to kill a Mockingbird is all rise one of the greatest his plays in history raves. NPR The New York Post says it will change how you see the world. This is what great feeders for all rise for her police to kill a mockingbird a new play by Aaron Sorkin Sirkin. This is a phenomenon says New York magazine on Broadway at the Shubert theatre get tickets at telecharge DOT COM It's care this book here. Black farmers in America Erica in June's family was featured in so that's why this picture comes from so walls in the photo June's brother Rodney. Me June's father June's brother Edward in June. Jones family was so motivating to see because they were one of the you know beacons of hope out there of light farmers that would remain in business and that is is not the story right around the time when June meets Angie things start to change June's. Dad's health has continued to deteriorate at that time he was actually almost incapable of working on a form on a day-to-day basis so June took over the farm so my production went from a three hundred Acre operation to close to a five thousand thousands of Acre farm so and at the beginning of the year in two thousand eight I went in two thousand eight to get across long June. Does what whether you've seen his father do every year he goes to the bank and gets a crop loan. You need a loan every year to form sugarcane so why would a successful farmer mar with a lot of land needs to take out a crop loan every year so this is just how farming works farmers their money at the end of the season and so in order to cover costs like fertiliser equipment labor they take out a loan and so two run a sugar cane farm the size of June's. It costs around two million dollars and then when you sell your Cain to the sugar meal. That's how you pay back that amount of money but June can't go to the bank that his dad went to because that bank has stopped giving crop loans so we used to find another bank. He ends up applying for crop loan at a place called. I I guarantee bank. I guarantee break talking to help you. Hi My name's Egan. I'm from the New York Times. I'm recording this call by the way how are you. I'm I'm doing good. How about you. I'm actually looking to speak to someone about a lawsuit that the bank is involved in. We're trying to get a response to and what happens between June soon and the bank is now the subject of a lawsuit currently making its way through the legal system. Okay that's going to be way over me. Let me you let me get you my branch manager and I've we've reached out to the bank multiple times but they haven't responded to us. They've also publicly denied ride all of tunes allegations but this is what June says happened I went to I guarany bank to apply for a crop loan. He says he goes to the bank and he shows them. How many acres he's planning farm. He also shows them his financial history taxes. His Credit June is expecting to receive something that's similar to what his dad had received all those years before but after he applies he doesn't hear anything back back in time is passing. I mean every day that passes crucial to the operation so he starts to get a little nervous almo- landlords are starting to call and ask for Landon okay. Now people are starting to spray herbicides so people's props are getting clean here. I am not even touching the fields. Let's go ride and you see all you neighbors. All these white formers or are in the fields have all their tractors running in and I have everything parked at the shop a similar thing had happened to his cousin a couple years before a scene my cousin we call him. Papa as his nickname was fertilizing and in the end of June like my dad always wanted to fertilize early like shaming the earliest we could offer lies the better because you can get a good jump start into pass and see him fertilizing at the end of June was like like what was going on like what was happening in June had started to hear rumors. The word was always. We know all of that alleviate guy. He's not going to be forming loan he. You don't like to get up early in the morning and he he didn't know exactly. Actually they were implying. His former practices were bad. He was lazy. I mean all of the above and now he was worried. People would start saying the same things about him. mm-hmm finally at the beginning of March the bank does approve his crop loan but problem was the problem was very underfunded but it's for less than half of what he expected. Did they say why no. I mean just say this. This is what I'm giving you. So you take the loan you try to form the best way. You can with that loan but it's just by time. Pay Land Ryan Spree Chemicals Fertilizer. I'm although funds already. June doesn't have enough money to pay for farming equipment so by the time it comes to planting season. He needs even more workers. Bob will wake up sometimes at midnight. Get back home at eight nine o'clock and just wake up again at midnight trying trying to do the job of three or four different other guys. I mean is not enough money in in times past and we're running out of time you know you so you have a small window clincher. Kane and by late fall he starting to get desperate. The date was November eighth of two thousand eight and I was planning Kane and that is something again. I can't say enough holidays that is not what should be happening in November. You should be horsing your crop. You should be through Planning Kane at the end of September early October. The leaders and I'm planning Kane in November in those about four o'clock. My Dad called. NCA IS GONNA see. What did I see. I'm trying to chop roles. I'm trying to open enrolls. I'm trying to cover keen fixing breakdowns. I'm GONNA have to shut it down for the day because I need to try to stay in and get some land prepared so he said well. You know what I'm coming Metri. She said we're GONNA stay late. Me In you see we're GONNA chop land. Get everything ready for the next day. I'm like no. It's as close to five o'clock. I'll try to get it. I said just go rhys and he he said Okay but then ten fifteen minutes later. I'll watch on the road. He came driving up. Let's see well. I'm here. Let's see let's roll up tonight near you and so that evening joining his dad even though he's retired and probably shouldn't be doing this type of work starts to help June plant the cane he got on a tractor for in a hook up the coven rig and jump on another tractor and I was covering Kane and he was opening rows and when he's opened in the rose making almost like a bid for the keen to sit in wrists and then here I come with a covering rig in throw dirt it over it and then I packed the ground so he's making the bed in your tucking it in yes pretty much yes. That's a good way to explain it. Yes yes very much so something he loved. I mean I love doing so to have us. Both in a field you hard gets full was just like people had had that opportunity to work with the family that owns. Ooh and then he called me up and he's like Jimmy. Sam almost out of diesel and I'm like with that and you know I'm almost out of these so what idea that's like. Daddy said we're just GONNA have to start off in the morning morning so he left and he was going to drive them back to the house and I went a detour because I had to pick up a few guys on another location in drove bag got on the highway and in maybe three miles down the road this when I seen a bunch of tail lights were going off people flashes on and the closer I got to it you know I see my dad land on on a highway so when I seen Harry up through the a truck and parking and I got down and I win my dad and there was there was a guy there and he was a doctor denounce like will he be okay we can in the guy told me no sir he's going tune says another doctor told him that his dad had likely died of a heart attack on dad is going that that is hard that is had his so civil heart for something he could stay at home. You know coming to help me to try to get it here in always sadism not the only thing that that made me sane and kept me through that is to form sugarcane. I dedicated everything to my dad from that point like he loved it. I loved it and that's what kept me going was to get back into the sugarcane and and and and put my all all into it so June goes back back to work and he's falling even further behind it was a struggle. I mean is cold. We have a frost. I'm planning king. You know I'm all in field and here are these wife. Owners are riding in looking at me planning fields in December while all their kane is up in in a beautiful stand here. I am planning in December. They pass look and put a smirk on a face and just like I mean laughing at me like literally laughing at me. I mean laughing and the next year in two thousand nine when he went to the bank. It all started again again. Poor loan amounts late loans alone half as big as he expected a day of that time I would wake up in in be in a panic move. He puts what's up more and more collateral so his home his parent's home his farming equipment and his farmland you see all the white roars or in their fields spraying in starting apply fertilizer here. I am don't even have a crop loan yet and then in twenty ten again two thousand eleven again twenty twelve again and some years the loan would come as late as April or June. I I mean I remember the county agent specifically saying what you and I passed down highway fourteen. I seen a fertilized truck in trillions said AH THEY CAn't be fertilizing keen June. He see that's not supposed to happen. It was me it was me I mean that is that is crazy. Do you know how humiliating that is. As he's fertilizing late planting late harvesting late he couldn't stop thinking about his cousin and we started talking a super bowls. I see I know my not mean nothing to you now but I I want to apologize because you know what people would always see all your form than last because you were lazy or you're forming. I'm in practices see. Maybe we should have been there more for you because you know they say the same thing about me now. I'm sorry I didn't defend Vinh him more in that that haunts me. You know that really haunts me. Because of course he knew what he was doing. I mean like he told me here. He's like June. They give me my loan on time. GimMe the adequate amount of funding. I can make a thirty ton crop just as well as anybody else because he's even I was born into this and by twenty fourteen. June's yield has dropped by more than fifty percent twenty fourteen was was actually a horrifying year for me. 'cause that's when everything came to a head. Everything came to hit in two thousand fourteen but we are fighters. I mean in you know. That's what we decided that we were. GonNa fight it out next week. In the final episode of Sixteen Ninety Part Two of June and Angie Story to kill a mockingbird has not played to a single empty seat report sixty minutes. It's the most most successful American play in Broadway History Rolling Stone gives it five stars calling it unmissable and unforgettable all rise for the miracle that is mockingbird on Broadway way. It's a New York Times critic's. Pick Jesse Green calls it A. Mockingbird for our moments beautiful elegiac satisfying even exhilarating Harper. Lee's to kill a mockingbird a new play by Aaron Sorkin a New York Times critic's pick tickets at telecharge DOT com.
Episode 5: The Land of Our Fathers, Part 1
"It just be careful because he will slice. You not a better sound to to hear that. You're not team move to turn over dirt into watch this thing from. I'm a few inches to grow into. Almost a twelve foot stalk is just amazing. Realize is how depressed I get you know when I see people getting ready to play king because that was my time of the year I would wake up and just so pumped ready to go to the shop Dolphin Start Repairing wagons vow with my you know that was mine. How miss it. I miss it so much. I I can't say enough how I miss this. I mean do you think the fields miss you not miss me because I used to talk to them all the time hi. What would you say I mean. I want you all to do well. I want you all to grow whale sound silly to her for like. Why are you talking to dirt but it's just like the low of the you have to land is just. I mean it's unreal. It's unreal. In what would you say that now that I wanted back wonderland back from the New York Times magazine. I'm Nicole Him Jones. This is sixteen nineteen in the fall of eighteen sixty four at the height of the civil war. One of the most famous Union Generals William tecumseh Sherman begins his march out of the city of Atlanta to the sea and is Sherman and his men make their way through Georgia black southerners are seeing an opportunity and so by the thousands they start to leave the plantations where they've been enslaved and are falling behind Sherman's troops as they make their way to the coast I but these newly liberated people. Were not exactly welcomed. Sermon Chairman didn't actually opposed slavery and so he's really not as sympathetic to those who are fleeing these plantations and he also sees them as a drain on his resources verses. There are families they are people of all ages young and old who need food and care and they are slowing the troops down MHM by December of that year. Some Sherman's troops are about to approach Savannah and they come up on a creek that is both with two wide and to deep to cross without a bridge so the troops star building one and instruct the black people were following them to just this weight that the troops need to cross I but then they'll be able to come after but the confederate army is on their heels and once the Union troops cross they break up the bridge leaving all those people who had just escaped slavery behind to face either the icy waters or the rebel army that was in pursuit it is a massacre some of them drowned trying to swim across of as are trampled or shot to death and those who remain are captured and Rian slaved when work. It's back to Lincoln Secretary of war Edwin Stanton. He is outraged. He has Sherman pulled together a meeting with twenty black church leaders. There's a transcript of this meeting and it shows that these two men Stanton and Sherman actually turned to this group group of black leaders and ask them. What do you want for your own people speaking for the group. One of the men tells them the way we confess. Take care of ourselves is to have land and turn it until it by our own. Labor that is by the Labor of the women and children and old men we consume maintain ourselves and have something to spare and what's remarkable is at Sherman turns that request of those men for for land to work for themselves into a government order special order number fifteen. It said that the government would take four hundred thousand acres that it had seized from the confederacy and split it up among those thousands of newly emancipated people. This becomes is what is perhaps the most famous provisions of the reconstruction period which we all know as forty acres and a mule. President Lincoln Approves Order but soon after he's assassinated and Andrew Johnson a southerner who had once lay people himself takes over the presidency and quickly overturns it and within a few short months the small amount of land that had been distributed to black people returned hard to white southerners. Do you want me to pull around. Maybe that's a good idea again. Tell me about your trip to Louisiana so I went to Louisiana. Because despite the fact that forty acres on a mule was reversed the land was taken black people actually managed to acquire significant amount of land now. Let's navigate by the nineteen eighteen twenty s black people owned about a million farms which is actually fourteen percent of all the farms in the country at that time which reflected selected the population of black people but in the decades that followed that number has dropped drastically from fourteen percent to below two percent. Oh and so to understand why that's happened. I went down. They'RE GONNA get go with another producer. Andy Brown only daily live call in talk show to a city just a couple of hours outside of New Orleans uh-huh. Be Fruitful and multiply or the streets are named after plantations. It's harvest time or Abubakar's and the crops that grew during during slavery still drive the local economy granted Dr Cody and where many people can trace their family line back to the enslavers flavors or the enslaved like Angie and wants list provost junior. My name is winless provost junior. I go by the name of June provos. Have you ever met a winslet's before has spelled W. E. N. C. S. I guess I the school was always rough would win solicit wind clause when saw Sula's winchester it you name it. I've been called yes and then high school. They just started calling me. June provost because I was a junior so I was okay with that June Bug Aka Mommy so June Angie descend from a long longline sugar cane farmers going back prior to manage the patient sallow Charles L. Great Great Great Grandpa okay they might have to our farm and each generation in jeans case was able to pass down the livelihood. June's owns family is so important historically to the areo his great great grandfather taught his great grandfather and his great grandfather taught his grandfather. June's family was one of the larger fines and his grandfather taught his dad long as I can remember remember my dad. He would always call me. He's right hand me and that was his Lesean for me. He would take me riding with him like all the time so for June. That training started it'd early. He was driving his first tractor when he was seven like what did it feel like for you to be driving the truck. Oh always like small near the year. I thought I was on top of the world. I mean I was like I'm driving tractor at seven years old. That was a toy for me. That was amazing in my thing was just to be next to my dad. That was my my whole. Oh next to my dad. I mean just those little moments like okay for instance. Now we have tractors that drive themselves by the time when you want to draw a straight row we had to pick pick a tree or something very far to make a straight Arrow in our never forget looking at my dad pointing a tree out and might have been like three three quarters of a mile possibly like pointing one tree out in making a straight road and I remember we had land owners will come in and see how you do that so straight and my dad was the one to do that and it was like my dad is a bad man like really like. I mean like I want to do that. One day June saw the connection his dad had to the land but like a lot of sugar cane farmers most of the land his dad farmed was rented ahead from white landowners and so when June's dad was finally able to buy a track of land. It was sixty retract June understood what is father father was actually working for that was one of the first big pieces of land that he bought in. I remember we chop the land up. We clean trees. I mean the land was looking great in when we started drawing the rose up you know we were talking just like all of a sudden just something it just came over him. He dropped to his knees and in he just grabbed a dirty. This is Marlene. Nobody can take this. Uh when June graduates from High School His dad gives him twenty one acres basically so he can start his own farm and June's thinking he's going to be out there with his dad all summer but then his dad gets sick he has to go in for heart surgery tree so at eighteen years old. June is left responsible with one of the most important jobs on the farm planting Cain was was that your first time ever being responsible planting. Yes I remember all my workers would ridicule me because I would like be on my hands and knees making sure. I didn't put too much dirt when you're covering when you know you're supposed to June is so neurotic about doing a good job that he's on his hands and knees making sure that the cane is covered with just the right amount of dirt and that following year I remember telling my dad. I see you know what the Qena planning came better than the ones yellow flame altogether because we caught a great stand I mean it was just beautiful awful. Is that the year that you guys all wine in ninety four. I think it was a nineteen ninety four so every year. The state has this contest and they award the farmer who produces the most sugar per acre in that year there. I was actually I in the non. Quote Unquote is when you had like one hundred hundred acres or less so I was actually the number. One State in my dad was thirteen in the state of Alabama. Stay so that was a great year for us. You'll be in your dad yells beating my dad exactly yes and I and I and actually we talked about that for a long time. Yes I rang him. Yes and what also happened is they caught the attention of everybody buddy in the area word of mouth started going around in like land owner after len on her come into us one is to form their property and that's how we just started expanding even even more and this is how it is for the next decade or so businesses good. June and his dad are taking on more land leases farming more property and in in the middle of all this is when he meets Angie. Let's get it crack elected all right so even though her family had lived in Texas for a number of years her ancestors were sugar cane farmers from Louisiana so when she met June it was as if I've known him for centuries like doc our past lives were together are something it's so really deep. They clicked immediately. We were going to concert in Baton Rouge. They were going to to Keith Sweat concert own nice dunes a huge Keith Sweat Vam as am I. I'm only familiar with Keith sweat as part of the Army Canon of baby making music. That's not why I like it. Just playing it is and basically their their moment is when they hear make it last forever. All you make it last forever. Yes when I turn to and I started singing to me winging bess how you sound and so when they get married they have a farm theme wedding they put sugar cane leaves on the walls like as decoration almost like reef and then after the reception they wrote off in a tractor is so cute Vinci Very Close Sarah. Kane is really their lives. Yes sugarcane is one hundred percent their lives aw that's where the problem mm-hmm really starts to kill. A MOCKINGBIRD is the most successful American play in Broadway history says sixty minutes rolling stone gives it five stars calling it a landmark production of an American classic to kill a Mockingbird is all rise one of the greatest his plays in history raves. NPR The New York Post says it will change how you see the world. This is what great feeders for all rise for her police to kill a mockingbird a new play by Aaron Sorkin Sirkin. This is a phenomenon says New York magazine on Broadway at the Shubert theatre get tickets at telecharge DOT COM MHM. It's care this book here. Black farmers in America Erica in June's family was featured in so that's why this picture comes from so walls in the photo June's brother Rodney. Me June's father June's brother Edward in June. Jones family was so motivating to see because they were one of the you know beacons of hope out there of light farmers that would remain in business and that is is not the story right around the time when June meets Angie things start to change June's. Dad's health has continued to deteriorate at that time he was actually almost incapable of working on a form on a day-to-day basis so June took over the farm so my production went from a three hundred Acre operation to close to a five thousand thousands acre farm so and at the beginning of the year in two thousand eight. I went in two thousand eight to get across long June. Does what what he'd seen his father do every year he goes to the bank and gets a crop loan. You need a loan every year to form sugarcane so why would a successful farmer mar with a lot of land needs to take out a crop loan every year so this is just how farming works farmers their money at the end of the season and so in order to cover costs like fertiliser equipment labor they take out a loan and so two run a sugar cane farm the size of June's. It costs around two million dollars and then when you sell your Cain to the sugar meal. That's how you pay back that amount of money but June can't go to the bank that his dad went to because that bank has stopped giving crop loans so we used to find another bank. He ends up applying for crop loan at a place called. I I guarantee bank. I guarantee break talking to help you. Hi My name's Diese Egan. I'm from the New York Times. I'm recording this call by the way how are you. I'm I'm doing good. How about you. I'm actually looking to speak to someone about a lawsuit that the bank is involved in. We're trying to get a response and what happens between June soon and the bank is now the subject of a lawsuit currently making its way through the legal system. Okay that's going to be way over me. Let me you let me get you my branch manager and I've we've reached out to the bank multiple times but they haven't responded to us. They've also publicly denied ride all of tunes allegations but this is what June says happened I went to I guarany bank to apply for a crop loan. He says he goes to the bank and he shows them. How many acres he's planning to farm. He also shows them his financial history taxes. His Credit June is expecting to receive something that's similar to what his dad had received all those years before but after he applies he doesn't hear anything back back in time is passing. I mean every day that passes crucial to the operation so he starts to get a little nervous. Oma Landlords are starting to call and ask for Landon okay. Now people are starting to spray herbicides so people's props are getting clean here. I am not even touching the field. Tsk and you'd go ride and you see all you neighbors all these white formers or are in the fields have all their tractors running in and I have everything parked at the shop a similar thing had happened to his cousin a couple years before a seen my cousin we call him. Papa as his nickname was fertilizing and in the end of June like my dad always wanted to fertilize early like shaming the earliest we could offer lies the better because you king gets a good jump start into pass and see him fertilizing at the end of June was like like what was going on like what was happening in June had started to hear rumors. The word was always. We know all of that alleviate guy. He's not going to be forming loan he. You don't like to get up early in the morning he he didn't know exactly actually they were implying. His former practices were bad. He was lazy. I mean all of the above and now he was worried. People would start saying the same things about him. mm-hmm finally at the beginning of March the bank does approve his crop loan but problem was the problem was very underfunded but it's for less than half of what he expected. Did they say why no. I mean just say this. This is what I'm giving you. So you take the loan you try to form the best way. You can with that loan but it's just by time. Pay Land Ryan Spree Chemicals Fertilizer. I'm although funds already. June doesn't have enough money to pay for farming equipment so so by the time it comes to planting season. He needs even more workers. Bob will wake up sometimes at midnight. Get back home at eight nine o'clock and just wake up again at midnight trying trying to do the job of three or four different other guys. I mean it's not enough money in in times past and we're running out of time you know you so you have a small window clincher. Kane and by late fall he starting to get desperate. The date was November eighth of two thousand eight and I was planning Kane and that is something again. I can't say enough holidays that is not what should be happening in November. You should be horsing your crop. You should be through Planning Kane at the end of September early October. The leaders and I'm planning Kane in November in those about four o'clock. My Dad called. NCA is GonNa see what dad see. I'm trying to chop rose trying to open enrolls. I'm trying to cover keen fixing breakdowns. I'm GONNA have to shut it down for the day because I need to try to stay in and get some land prepared so he said well. You know what I'm coming Metri. She said we're GONNA stay late. Me and you see we're GONNA chop land. Get everything ready for the next day. I'm like no. It's a it's close to five o'clock. I'll try to get it. I said just go rhys and he he said Okay but then ten fifteen minutes later. I'll watch on the road. He came driving up. Let's see well. I'm here. Let's see let's roll up tonight near you and so that evening joining his dad even though he's retired and probably shouldn't be doing this type of work starts to help June plant the cane he got on a tractor for in a hook up the coven rig and jump on another tractor and I was covering Kane and he was opening rows and when he's opened in the rose making almost like a bid for the keen to sit in wrists and then here I come with a covering rig in throw dirt it over it and then I packed the ground so he's making the bed in your tucking it in yes pretty much yes. That's a good way to explain it. Yes yes very much so something he loved. I mean I love doing so to have us. Both in a field you hard gets full was just like you know people had had that opportunity to work with the family that owns. Ooh and then he called me up and he's like Jimmy. Sam almost out of diesel and I'm like with that and you know I'm almost out of these so what idea that's like. Daddy said we just have to start off in the morning morning so he left and he was going driving back to the house and I went a detour because I had to pick up a few guys on another location in drove bag got on the highway and in maybe three miles down the road this when I seen a bunch of tail lights were going off people flashes on and the closer I got to it you know I see my dad land on on a highway so when I seen through the a truck and parking and I got down and I win my dad and there was there was a guy there and he was a doctor denounce like will he be okay we can in the guy told me no sir he's going tune says another doctor told him that his dad had likely died of a heart attack on dad is going that that is hard that has had his so civil heart for something he could stay at home. You know coming to help me to try to get it here in always sadism not the only thing that that made me sane and kept me through that is to form sugarcane 'cause. I dedicated everything to my dad from that point. I he loved it. I loved it and that's what kept me going was to get back into the sugarcane and and and put my all all into it so June goes back back to work and he's falling even further behind it was a struggle. I mean is cold. We have a frost. I'm planning king. You know I'm all in field and hear these wife owners are riding in looking at me planning fields in December while all their kane is up in in a beautiful stand here. I am planning in December. You know they passed look and put a smirk on a face and just like I mean laughing at me like literally laughing at me. I mean laughing and the next year in two thousand nine when he went to the bank. It all started again again. Poor loan amounts late loans alone half as big as he expected a day of that time I would wake up in be in a panic move. He puts what's up more and more collateral so his home his parent's home his farming equipment and his farmland you see all the white roars or in their fields spraying in starting apply fertilizer here. I am don't even have a crop loan yet and then in twenty ten again two thousand eleven again twenty twelve again and some years the loan would come as late as April or June. I I mean I remember the county agent specifically saying June. I passed down highway fourteen. I seen a fertilized truck in trillions said AH THEY CAn't be fertilizing keen June. He see that's not supposed to happen. It was me it was me I mean that is that is crazy. Do you know how humiliating that is. As he's fertilizing late planting late harvesting late he couldn't stop thinking about his cousin and we started talking a super bowls. I see I know my not mean nothing to you now but I I want to apologize because you know what people would always see all your form than last because you were lazy or you're forming. I'm in practices see. Maybe we should have been there more for you because you know they say the same thing about me now. I'm sorry I didn't defend Vinh him more in that that haunts me. You know. That really haunts me 'cause he. Of course he knew what he was doing. I mean like he told me here. He's like June. They give me my loan on time. GimMe the adequate amount of funding. I can make a thirty ton crop just as well as anybody else because he's even I was born into this and by twenty fourteen. June's yield has dropped by more than fifty percent twenty fourteen was was actually a horrifying year for me. 'cause that's when everything came to a head. Everything came to hit in two thousand fourteen but we are fighters. I mean in you know. That's what we decided that we were gonNA. Fight it out. Uh next week part two of June in Angie Story UH to kill a mockingbird has not played to a single empty seat report sixty minutes. 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Inside Mr. Trump's Wild Ride with Steven Portnoy
"This is the takeout not what your country can do for you with major Garrett. Fister Gorbachev tear down this wall. This is the binding. Change has come through America and we will make America. Great. Again, welcome to the very best part of my broadcast week and boy, do I mean it this week? I major Garin host and creator of this amazing show known as the takeout. Thank you to all of our podcast early adopters on radio stations across the country, and of course on CBS and those of you watching on CBS and you see ever raid my necktie around the Mike stand. Why? Because about to have the show off to my dear colleague and trusted friend, Steven Portnoy. Why? Because he's going to interview me. What about. About this kid's BSN can see it radio audience. Podcast listeners my new book Mr. Trump's wild ride. I can't hand the show over to more capable professional and delicate hands than Steven Portnoy. So we are where we're having dinner city, tap house, DuPont circle champagne is on the way. Why? Because I have a new book folks. That's why and why? No, necktie because I wrote a book what have to wear a necktie TV majors phantasm thank you Mr President Steven Portnoy, take it away. Thank you major. It is a high honor to be on that micro and for you to have selected me to walk our takeout audience through this amazing new book, which was a lottery, I feel like I did. You put you put all your. I circulated. The barrel I reached in and out came Steven Portnoy, which by the way happens to be one of the images that you paint in Mr. Trump's wild Ryan, the full title, the thrills chills screams and occasional blackouts of an extraordinary president. All of those are value neutral intentionally because our country is responding to evaluating the presidency and lots of different ways. You can be thrilled. You can be chilled, you can scream and you can have a blackout, and that could be positive or negative, just like a roller coaster ride, just like a manic interesting to Rilling. Right. Those are value neutral intention. I wrote that my publisher came up with Mr. Trump's wild ride because they I propose rollercoaster and I said, if you call it roller coaster, I won't write it because it's too hackneyed. It's too cliche come up with something better. And Mr. Trump also works because this something I had to get used to when I first started company can't covering the campaign which I did for sixteen months more than seventy five Trump rallies. People around Donald Trump only referred to him one way. Mr. Trump Mr. Trump. That's right. Incessantly instinctively like they've been programmed Mr. Trump Mr. Trump Mr. everyone highest to lowest. So it fit perfect. Mr. Trump's wild ride countries on, and that's where we are. The first question I have for you, major Garrett is for the last eighteen months. You've been in the front row of the first car of Mr. Trump's wild ride, and you've also been sitting in the front row, the White House briefing room, right? You've been appearing on national television. You have been the host and creator of this very takeout program when in the world and you and I have flown all over the world with this person went in the world had found the time to write three hundred page book. So I don't recommend this writing a book while you're doing a day job and a second day job third or fourth, right it, it was the hardest work I've ever done in my life and nobody cares about that. I understand. And that everyone in America works hard. Everyone has parts of their life that are stretched to the maximum elastic, whether they are carrying three jobs or one job or two or a combination of that. So I'm not holding myself out as some sort of hero figure, but I had to write this book. I felt the need to take what I learned in the campaign. What I was trying to learn covering the Trump presidency and how unique it is and put it down on paper. So I did this on weekends. I have split shifts of some weeks as people who are devoted and we thank you viewers of CBS. No one week. I'm on CBS this morning one week on CBS evening news. All of you who are devoted followers of CBS news. We thank you. But when you wouldn't see me, I'd be at home working on the book, do doing interviews, gathering notes and writing. And in fact, I remember when we were in Helsinki Finland, yes, you secreted yourself in your hotel room continue working with your. Hitters on this book just as a measure of your devotion. And one thing that I will tell the audience about the book is we were live editing it up until mid July. So the Helsinki summit is in the book, the Singapore summit is in the book. It is as contemporary and EV. The moment as a hardback book can possibly be thank my publisher Saint Martin's for that. One of the more impressive aspects of Mr. Trump's wild ride as we are served champagne, should we give you a toast here? I think so. I'm ready to toast myself to major Garrett and successive is brand new book. Congratulations. Thank you. Now champagne always goes down easy. Let me ask you about what you because you you say you aim for this to be in your words, a credible balanced and nuanced assessment of the first year and a half of the Trump presidency rendered a made, its cyclonic spasms. Yes. You compare it to try to light candle behind a jet engine. Yeah. How could you have pulled this off? Because what you've done is you've essentially written what I believed to be the definitive history from your perspective and the reader's perspective of these last three years of American politics. How difficult wasn't to pull that on. It wasn't as difficult as you might think allowing four one component which I will say to our audience, I believe in very much, which is my own sense of humility and my limitations. I'm not the all seeing all knowing all encompassing observer of Donald Trump. I am an observer who didn't know Donald Trump at all until early August twenty fifteen. And I've got to know him bit by bit every ever since. And he is as president as he was as a candidate, and that is very different. For the American experience I write in the book. He's the first person elected to the presidency of the United States who did not lead army successfully into major battles or did not run and serve in elective office previously and say in the book that says something about Donald Trump and also says something about America that we have to pay attention to because it tells us our collective American expectations of what a president needs to be are evolving. Donald Trump is a part of that Evelyn. Some Americans are ecstatic about that and some are horrified by that. What is true about Donald Trump is the emotional reactions. He creates are very real and they're part of this larger conversation as emotional and his vivid and his vital. As those reactions are the purpose of this book. Is to step back from that emotionalism. The noise is I say, in the book and say, what happened? What's going to be with us ten years from now from the Trump presidency? What's could be with us twenty years from now from the Trump presidency? What is the legacy making impact of this unique figure and this unique time that's try to capture one of my favorite lines in the book. You write that the difficulty in writing a book that capture something in progress and writing it to sit on shell for years to come. Is that what? What difficulty about in writing a book about what actually happened during Trump's first year is you write in a frenzied state of dread what the blank is next? Right? As I was putting the put together, I kept asking myself. All right. I've decided these things are the most important, but what happens next week will these things still be important as compared to what happens that I don't know about this freight train that's coming at my cerebral cortex week from now. Is it going to last? I don't know. Good. How are you? Jesse's here testers tap. Our Jesse. So can the state freaks, please athle- medium plus just a teeny bit more than medium, not medium well, to teeny bit open, medium plus, plus I'm gonna health kick. I'll have the salmon, please? Yes, sir. Oh, how about the? Can I get it medium placebo. Plus there you go. I want it that. No, we'll say, well, whatever, medium plus you'll be delighted. All right, listen, there is a ton of news just in this. I hope so. And plenty of it will make you laugh. Make you cry. It'll make you grab your your sides, it'll make you sick to your stomach. Just like you said, a roller coaster, and we're gonna get to all of it. So to don't miss segment. But before we go to break, there is a bit of of sound that regulars listeners of this program will recognize Jamie, let's have sought. Number one major fin tastic major Garrett will explain to us just what was. So it's about that moment at least the man who said it a teaser. When we come back, I'm Stephen Portnoy major Garrett and you're listening to the ticket. You're listening to the takeout major fin tessick. I'm Stephen Portnoy in for major Garrett interviewing major Garrett. The author of Mr. Trump's wild ride of the other microphone. Fantastic. New book so much fun over here. We are. Here at city, tap DuPont circle in Washington blocks from our CBS news bureau few blocks from the White House, and we're about to play sound bite that I believe represents the very first time that major Garrett met Donald John vice and vice versa. And he met me which was a thrill for him and don't think it wasn't in many respects. It was where major GARRETT'S wild ride with Donald Trump began. Exactly. So let's have sought number two major fin tastic. I watch you with President Obama two weeks ago. He was not thrilled. I'm sure I'll be more thrilled. So major Garrett set the scene we were in Bertrand Michigan. It was early August twenty fifteen. The first Trump rally. I covered on behalf of CBS news and I was in the front row to the far left the far left seat of the front row of a group of about thirty reporters at a press conference with Donald Trump before the rally was to begin and Trump looked around the crowd. And finally any notice after taking one or two questions. And that was his first response major. Fantastic. What does that mean? Well, get to that in a minute, but I want to read from the book because it's. Important because I opened the book by holding myself to account, and here's how so that sound bite you just heard is the beginning of prologue titled what I should have learned. Those were the first words Donald Trump spoke to me and they should have told me so much more than they did at the time. They told me nothing. I was surprised by what sounded like in formality in an odd sense that somehow my presence at an August twenty fifteen press conference with Trump and Bertrand Michigan matter as a thrill. I've been a journalist in Washington since nineteen ninety and attended thousands of press conference in the capital and the White House briefing room and campaign venues across the country and thrill had never been part of the politico patter who gets thrilled or not thrilled angry. Sure. Vase of course board sometimes, but thrilled that was a circus word not a campaign were why was Trump through? Because my presence told him he was becoming a bigger deal. CBS had sent a correspondent. To witness one of his rally and not just any correspondent mind you, but the chief White House correspondent for CBS news and Donald Trump had seen my interaction a few weeks earlier with President Obama over the Iran nuclear deal where I pressed the president on the four American still in captivity in Iran, the president blew up at me, which is also explained in the prologue and Trump noticed that and played out this idea. President Obama wasn't thrilled. I'm sure I'll be more thrilled and in the prologue I say that those two sentences had a paid more close attention to them would have told me ninety five percent of what I needed to know about Donald Trump had I taken the time and been serious enough about what he was trying to tell me, well, then I wasn't and I hold myself to account for failing to do one of the things you see here. I'm sure I'll be more thrilled as immediately. He is a candidate really just having entered the racism mmediately acquainting himself. The sitting president sitting his acquitting himself of the sitting president major, fantastic Hisense of adjectives exaggeration. There's a time continue. He. Says I saw whatever it what is, what is it? I watched you with President Obama two weeks, two weeks ago. It was. It was a month ago more than a month ago. This idea that he has any sense of timing is completely obliterate. He said two weeks ago everything's to right and all of what is central to the persona, the strength, and sometimes the weakness of Donald Trump was in capsulated in that little encounter, and I take myself to task for not paying closer attention to that because I didn't know how because I didn't know how to measure evaluate Donald Trump at all like so many people who had covered previous presidential campaigns. This was my fifth. He didn't fit in any conventional to put it mildly box. I'd ever seen before, but you're so honest and forthright, as you describe that for the reader and one of the things that struck me constantly, as I read your book is just how stark it is an honest. Here's another one of those lines and I'll quote you after one year politics under Trump felt Froemel as if American destiny was at some unimaginable crossroads demographic and conceptual place. Of past present and future that Trump perfectly and at foreign Lee personified. We were there and we are here. It is very re- there are clearly major moments in your book in which you seem flat out exasperated by the president, but also mildly amused, mildly abuse, and continuously fascinated. Donald Trump is someone as I said in the first segment, who provokes tremendous emotional reactions, I say in the book is proto partisan, he's bigger than the party's. He is a bigger than life bigger than democrat Republican figure. Those who love him, love him with a passion. They've never felt for political figure before those who dislike him slash hate him do so with a vengeance that they've never really felt before. They don't think they can remember feeling before. That is a real phenomenon. It has to be a valuated on both spectrums. What is there that is positive, what is there that is negative? What is there that has lasting. It's not easy to try to equalize or place all of those before the reader as neutrally as possible. But that's what I strive to do as you did that you did it mainly through your own observations, but also through the direct words and on the record comments of some of his most senior aides. There are echoes that we as readers can sense from the first portions of your book in some of the other books. And we've been talking about in Washington for the last few weeks. There's a blind quote at the top of your book that reads, the way these guys work around Trump. It's like they're running a government behind his back, echoes of the New York Times op Ed and what Bob Woodward writes in his book. Did you ever in your reporting for this work encounter a quiet resistance? No, not a resistance. And I will say to our audience, the blind quote, you just read meeting, it's not attributed to a person that you can read up about as the only blind quote in the book. One. Everything else is tributed on the record. Why did I use that one for transparency sake because I thought it was illustrative of phenomenon described to me by countless other people who work or have worked or continue to work for the president states. I don't describe it as a resistance. I certainly do not describe it as a somewhat well known. Author has recently described it as an administrative coup d'etat. His initials are w I believe. It is a coping mechanism. It is a sense that Donald Trump brings a loudness a sort of spitballing. What about this? What about that? What about this? If you thought about this? Can I talk about this dimension to the presidency that rubs people who are accustomed to more conventional conversations in an Oval Office within the White House the wrong way. What is different about Trump is plainly different. When I try to stress the book is that it is different, doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong. And that's important distinction. And I hope people will appreciate even if they don't like Donald Trump that just because it is different, doesn't necessarily in every respect mean it's wrong. It can be wrong from your point of view, but he's the duly elected forty. Fifth president, I states he is real. His presidency continues day by day hour by hour and what it is and how it has already manifested itself. As the central focus of the book, the takeout hide, cast listener, radio, listener, CBS viewer, obviously senses from what you've just described, how fair you strive to be the spoke. Is in the beholder. I've done everything I know how to do professionally as almost thirty five years as a journalist to do that to accomplish that. The president spoke of b w's book. Yes, pretty negative terms. Do you? Do you think you'll like this? I don't know. I lots of people who are close to the president who want to suggest to him. This is as this is a book that is more focused on what actually happened than any other book so far. And there is a fascination. I understand it in the behind the scenes reality TV show aspect of the Trump presidency. I get that. I understand that that is by far the best way to traffic in the same world that Donald Trump sometimes traffic traffic controversial sensational, I've quote attributed to Corey Lewandowski's. The book says, Trump hates negative publicity unless he generates his own sense of swirling things and shirring things. So as my book about the churn. About the sensational about the noise actually, it's not which may make it for the moment, commercially less viable, but I'm betting on the long arc of history and those who want to take a measure appraisal of this presidency seriously. They will turn to my book, you know, they will read or delete in that readers. I believe at two leaders will learn a lot as they read this book and they will also learn some of the newsy revelations, particularly about this moment in January of seventeen sought. Number three, Jamie stabber, Shane new bedding measures to keep radical Islamic terrorists out of the United States from there. No one. One red sure that we are not admitting into our country the very threats, our soldiers of fighting overseas, what you didn't know about the travel ban you will find out in major GARRETT'S new book. I'm Stephen Portnoy and we'll have more with the on just. From CBS news. This is the takeout with major Garrett. Welcome back takeout nation wraps, right? Steven, Portnoy and I've been discombobulated part of this program since the beginning you normally hear me say, this is the takeout with major Garrett so well, and today it's my honor to interview major Garrett. The host of this program. There's no one I would turn the show over to other than Steven Portnoy. It's a high honor. You know major and I one hundred percent fact met behind rate. Yes, sir. Go ahead sir, major Garrett and I met behind radio microphones fifteen years ago. You remember this when I was little baby broadcaster, radio News, Radio station, your in Washington, you are never a baby broadcast major Garrett used to come in at five o'clock in the morning and help do this radio show in the morning, and one of the things that I've I'll you w male. That's right. One of the things I learned very early on was what a serious journalism journalists you are an and and even at five AM right to come in at that hour of the morning, talked on it, but it is the high honor of my career to be sitting here next to you to talk about your work. Thank you. Mr. Trump's wild ride. Thank you may know as viewers of CBS or listeners to our CBS News Radio, takeout, affiliates. I'm the White House correspondent CBS News Radio, yes, you are. The man who sits behind major Garrett trying intently to stare at the podium and not behind any in your head. Yes. You asked him. Classic eight questions. You do, sir. I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Just trying to follow your lead and if you haven't seen it yet. Go on the Google machine and find lip reading. Sarah Sanders catch a teeny bit of me and a great swath of the immense talent that is known as Stephen Portnoy. Why are you saying this. Just bring the nachos, right, you'll get it folks made you, you won't regret it. Google major Garrett is our host and our guest tonight and what am I doing? I'm signing as we speak because you gotta read you do with the marketing department, tells you to do the takeout podcasting or plug your booth announcer will read this copy if you like a sticker signed by the guest of this week's pro right now on camera, and you'll request along with the self addressed stamped on vote to take address takeout sticker care, CBS news, twenty twenty m street, northwest, that's m. as in many will enter, you will win Washington DC to double-o three, six. And now just watch me, sign them folk. And now Bob Barker it is regrowed we now we continue our conversation with the author of Mr. Trump's wild ride. And before we broke, if you remember, we played a sound bite of the president, late January, twenty seventeen scientists. I travel ban order, and here's what it led to Jamie sought. Number four. There was chaos and confusion airports today as President Trump's immigration crackdown took effect protests erupted as refugees and immigrants from several Muslim-majority countries were detained or blocked from flights major, which learned in researching your book that we did not know about how that came together. Two very important things. One, the president was presented eight options for this travel ban eight different options. He chose the least restrictive of the eight print. Print place before him, they will least restrictive of the eight. So you have come to know that there were seven more restrictive options that Donald floor countries more restrictions. Was this process thoroughly vetted throughout the ministry answer? No, that's pretty clear. And one of the questions the country's been sort of kicking around for the last two weeks in part because of the op Ed anonymously written in the New York Times. And by that other book written by b, w. Is there a process that's a bit chaotic. Look, ladies and gentlemen. The travel ban is a living breathing publicly. Adjudicated example of that. I'd impetuous driving intense president says, go and they go, I quote, Newt Gingrich in the book saying, you know, they did both things hurriedly because of you spend time getting it right, you lose the boldness. That's a general description on exact quote, but it captures the essence. Then there was a redrafting of the executor, which Trump didn't even like and said so publicly. Then there was a memorandum backing it up three stages, all the played out in public view, all subjected to court scrutiny in the end of memorandum that reinforce the first two executive orders withstood not one, but two passes before the United States Supreme court. And what does. Trump do now. Calera declare absolute victory. Why? Because he doesn't count losses. I also quote, former speaker Newt Gingrich why? Because he is a frequent regular adviser and confidante of the president. What is Newt Gingrich say about Donald Trump. He never counts the losses only the wins. He only counts the victories. So is this a Catholic process? Does it sort of jumble and jostle along the rails of governing? Yes, it does. You don't have to ask yourself. I wonder if that's true. Look at the travel ban. The travel ban is from beginning to end which goes into twenty eighteen an absolute illustration of how this process both to some doesn't work and to some does work. You can actually appraise what you either like or dislike about the Trump presidency through the travel ban all by itself. Another bit of news in the book all year. There's been this dance between the president attorneys in the special counsel over whether there will be an on the record sworn interview between a special counsel as President Trump. You had White House lawyer Cobb on this program on this program, this microphone. And he said that the president would be willing to sit down with Muller's long. It's not a perjury trap. What happened major right after Taikang appeared on the takeout. So Ty Cobb, the president's lawyer, White House lawyer interacting on a daily almost hourly basis with a special counsel I call Tycom about a week and a half before we did that episode I said, would you ever consider coming on the show? He's like, yeah, when you want to do it and I'm like, what? So literally, that's the intelligent journalistic respond. You expected to. Yeah. When you want to do it, Mike. Taikang brings his handlebar moustache up to this microphone and makes global news. I mean, that news was insane all over because what was tight? Why did I didn't know this? Then I learned it. Later top was laying the predicate Mr. presidents, okay. Muller is responsible. Respectable prosecutor. We know the questions. We have a sense of preparation. You can handle this. He says the Muller. I don't think he would lay a perjury trap laying sending a signal the Muller and the president Taikang is directionally talking through this show to the special prosecutor and the president, John doubt. As I learned later, another one, the president's attorney. Here's that show and goes nuts and says, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, forget it. No interview kills convinces the president not to do it was scheduled for January twenty seven. It was scheduled for January twenty. Seventh, one of the many revelations in your new book, ask yourself collectively America. Where would we. Be in this saga, had the president talked to Robert Muller January twenty seven. And not done a lengthy negotiation in between which Michael Cohen, David pecker of National Enquirer. Other people are implicated other things arise. Where with the story be, would the president not have been wiser to do it then then never until now. We don't know. One other thing I didn't know was your retelling of what happened the day that Robert Mueller was appointed. You write in your book. About the fact that Jeff Sessions, the sitting attorney general actually submitted his resignation to the president and quit his job when out to the west executive drive and had to be coaxed out of the car to rescind his resignation, or we'll talk about that on the other side of this break. I major Garrett was even Portnoy. Now, an excerpt from the audio book of Mr. Trump's wild ride Trump watches an inordinate amount of television or as former White House lawyer Taikang told me a load of television from cobb's charitable point of view. That makes Trump a great multitasker. The first year of his presidency would be defined by multiple tasks. He said in motion and the many mistakes he committed because he watched a load of television what he sees in what he watches about world events and him can drive policy. The first Syria missile strike is a classic example. The image is horrified Trump. He wanted to rapidly flip the chemical weapons script inherited from President Obama. He launched Tomahawk missiles, and for his first year that became a plot point, luster tiv- of his decisive leadership courage in a cocoon of cable coverage. His worldview is not only shaped by television. Vision, his judgment of and reaction to events, true or false are reinforced almost entirely by TV Trump gathers information and other ways, of course, but TV is Trump and Trump is TV. You're listening to the takeout from CBS News Radio, and I'm Stephen Portnoy from CBS News Radio, the White House correspondent who sits right behind major Garrett in the briefing room as major Garrett is the author of the new book. Mr. Trump's wild ride. A fantastic book had takes you inside some of the crazier twists and turns of the last eighteen months and and the ones that were stand the test of time, you know, ones that are history, and if I could say something semen on behalf of both of us, I just want to thank our audience on CBS early podcast adopters and on more than forty radio stations around the country. You get the vibe of the show. The show does not pander to you, ideologically allows you and requires you to listen to people on the right on the left and the centre, and I just wanna thank you for picking up on what this show tries to do. And if you have a modicum of respect or appreciation for what this tro to show strives to be. It's all in the book what the show strives to be replicated in the book. And that's the best advertiser not give work. Well, I'll second all this points. One of the things we were talking about for the break that I learned that I didn't know now is that in may of twenty seventeen around the time that Robert Mueller was appointed as a special very day the very day Jeff Sessions, the attorney general who so aggravated the president by his decision, recuse himself from the rest of education actually submitted his resignation and wound up in a car in the west executive draw Choubey black SUV that all government officials ride around in Washington. You call the chapter ten days in may. I dare say it's the wildest turn and Mr. Trump's wild Rivage agree with that. It was certainly the ten days I remember most vividly and I felt most overwrought at the end of begin so much exhaustion, physical exhaustion, emotional trauma because I never seen it before. And part of that is. So Ryan sprees, the chief of staff is informed that a special counsel Robert Muller has been named Robert Muller who had been interviewed the day before by the president as a possible. New FBI director is name special counsel and Jeff Sessions submits his resignation. His real live written resignation to the president and then leaves the White House and writes, previous the cheapest finds out about it and starts looking for Jeff Sessions. Reinsch previous at this moment, hearing that the sitting attorney general has just quit at is roaming the grounds of the White House yet stop. Where is he? Where is he? Where is he? And he runs out to west exac, which is the small driveway. From which many people who enter the White House. Do. So it's ripe between the executive, whether the west wing and the old executive office building right across the west, any fines, Jeff Sessions inside his SUV and implores him to come back inside so they can have a conversation. And essentially as I relate in the book, the chief of staff talks Jeff Sessions off this resignation. Ledge, one of the many eye-popping revelations that will have readers of your new book really bewildered by that story has been told before in a book by Chris Whipple who writes about chiefs of staff, but more details in my book. I don't want to suggest that everything is a revelation. I don't want to oversell who I am or what I've done. I want credit those who have been there before, but I am one hundred percent confident in this rendering and that it was a significant moment in the history of the Trump president and example of fairness in full disclosure that readers will find in your new book. But you mentioned Ryan spree is one of the several officials who spoke to you on. The record in this book every others and household names at that you spoke at Tycom John Dowd, Jared, Kushner, Jared, Kushner, Mick Mulvaney, Mark short, Mitch, McConnell nights. Previous I mentioned John Kelly was Lou douse today bossy. Lots of people who respected me as a professional as someone who was curious and rigorous. And if I would say there are two words I want to forever be associated with this book. It's curious and rigorous. What because I don't think that journalists really is about anything else. Those two things. If you if you're both of those, you're good. What did you learn about Donald Trump as as a president? How does he fall in comparison to his predecessors? A lot of people are talking about him in in light of Richard Nixon, you something different. Well, look, I say in the book and I think the president might like this comparison. I never checked with him. I never actually went close to him. I talked to people on Capitol Hill about this who care deeply about presidents who engage with congress, and there are not many recently who have. And they say there are three aspects of Donald Trump that are reminiscent based on their reading. With Lyndon. Baines Johnson, what are the? Is it encyclopedic knowledge of the legislative process? Obviously not? Is it a sense of deep Texas roots and all of the evolution of Texas mystique? No, but three aspects I think are admirably and importantly, comparable. Lyndon Baines Johnson and Donald Trump both six foot three, and they care about their own physicality. Both the same height and the physicality of owning room and walking into a room and using your physical presence to dominate. Point. One point two, they both relentlessly worked the phones and gathered for Mason independently of their staff and their minions. So they themselves have their own independent sense of the moment, the politics and the policy. Well, LBJ had those phone calls on tape, right? And I hope oh, do I hope there's something that's recording Donald Trump if there isn't. I know for fact he makes ten twenty thirty phone calls a day, hey, talks to people high and low. Lori. We hope there are tapes and he uses that phone as his own check on what's happening in the world. He tests people own sense of courage, sense of confidence. The third aspect of is very similar to London main Johnson. They both use television as a window into America. Lindane Johnson was the first American president of three. Televisions put close to him so he could watch the evening news. Obviously, Donald Trump walks that disproportional amount of television. So in these three respects and I don't, I don't say this is good or. Bad I stated is Lyndon Baines Johnson and Donald Trump have three significant similarities that I think we're taking note of the way you described Donald Trump's interest. Some I'd say obsession in television news leads me to my last question yet because the president talks a lot about how much you know we in the mainstream press criticize him. We know that he very much enjoys watching consuming the news. One of the things he says, I want to get your take on. He often says that we reporters will miss him terribly when he's gone deep with that. We go in for about withdrawal, Donald Trump office, possibly. That's certainly true in the sense that he churns and he interacts with us and he secretly loves us more than we ever know. He hates us and he loves us. And you say to yourself major, what are you talking about. Some relationships are dysfunctional. This is a dysfunctional relationship. Donald Trump hates the media. He loves the meeting. He hates us with intensity, says things about us that have there been set by an American president. He also craves us. Craves our sense of where he is what he's doing. That is a real dynamic and no American president will have that psychologically as arch and as dependent and as quizzical and as interactive relationship is Donald Trump. The book is called Mr.. Trump's wild ride. The author is major Garrett major. 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The Comey Rule
"Role. Report on. What's going on everyone welcome back to another episode of making podcast. Great. Again, I'm your tech stuff guy J now and we are here of course with the president of the United States of America Mr Donald J TRUMP MR president. Another, crazy week in your life. How are you? Even by my I would say strong standards sort of powerful standards I. Think this has been one of the. One of the toughest Weeks we've had, but we're doing strongly and things a good so. We're not worried not at all. Mr President. We have a special guest this week. Okay and I don't know if you're a fan of the series on showtime the Commie rule, you must be familiar with Komi. Do you know you? Bell showed of, well, he was a showboat and sort of a nasty nasty failed FBI director. But now I didn't see the series I think I. Don't know how long it was, but I didn't see more than three and a half hours of it. I think. I was passing the channel and I think I, might have got three and a half hours you know by accident basically. So you cook the whole thing except for the credits at the end. Now. That well. I don't know how much I caught, but it was I certainly didn't sit down and watch it flip the channels and get it and you see some you know that happens when Shawshank on and I just go and then I got the end. Well, we have the writer and. After of Komi Rule, billy ray Mr Ed is Mr Ed Billy Ray Billy how how to me to address you. Abilities fine and billy. Okay. Okay. Billy. This is Mr President Mr President Mr President Sir you throw you know you gotta do the Sir shut of respect. So you you, you want to call you Mr President Sir every time he addresses you on the podcast. Let's excuse me. Okay. What now I'm talking to the filmmaker we're not talking to the tech stuff guy. Can Call me Mr President he can call me Sir in. Go Me Mr President Sir can call me Mr Trump we it's we give it's like our great health care we give it's about choice. It's great choice. Ability welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us. Really appreciate you spending the time with US tonight. Mr. President Happy Report on billy do celebrate Yom Kippur. Well. What does it really celebrate? Right your tone tone. Today town. So I'm fast they now actually have an hour left to go. On a twenty four hour fast for I can eat I I don't know I honor you are you fasting? For. 'em Emma Simon says I have to say Simon's Respond to done but I will say I don't know. Obviously sort of a big Hollywood type. So I didn't know Yom Kapoor's obviously maybe the new fad diet is that what it is, it's sort of. Like a day, that's you know they've talked about the fasting being a new thing. So it's called out ya I'm Kapoor. That's what the the Hollywood. It's not a bad. I. Think it's been around about fifty, seven, hundred years and. Paleo it's like the the Paleo Diet that's like the caveman instead it's it's an all diet as okay. So Yom Kippur Arts, the new diets that in Hollywood you not I I I'm not gonNA lie. To, US A COUPLE OF POUNDS, Mr President S Kamanga or jared they might be familiar with it and and they might be atoning right now you know what you do on young to four as you take your fist than you, you lay out all the sins of the previous year for the sin I have sinned by lying the sin I have sinned by wishing ill and others you know etc, and then you ask God for forgiveness I don't know if you've ever been through a process like. Well, you know as as you know. I'm a very. Powerful Christian and I don't really think. I need to ask for forgiveness. You know what? Sorry that I made the economy the greatest economy in the history of the world please forgive me. President I don't. I don't think it's really like that I'm sure you have. Well, let's talk about some. Sorry sorry that I'm the greatest thing to happen Israel in the history of the Jewish people I Apologize Sorry God. So I. Guess you see you're not celebrating with Ivanka and jared. Now that I'm a little busy. Okay. I don't know if you know there's some president. So now they're doing their stood of whatever what whatever it was called the Paleo Diet You know they're doing they're doing what they need to do, and that's a respected. I have strong respect for it but very busy. We've got sleepy Joe Debate tomorrow so we're getting prepped. Any any atoning maybe for Covid for two hundred, five, thousand jets for not doing anything about that. Well I've done a lot of things forward actually, and if I had done nothing if I had taken a six month nap and nobody did anything we have this is what the scientists said. We would have eleven billion dead people if I had just done nothing. I stepped in I ban China I said to China now that stopped so much virus, and now we're working on Therapeutics and vaccines and I'm actually calling the first vaccine vaccine waters. Just A is. The low IQ individual in Congress. So we're going to call it vaccine waters and. That'll be a beauty. In. You I know we're to talk about the comey will I'm just curious. How Can you take me through the science of the vaccines like? Your understanding of how Works. Of course. We have a lot of things to talk about. I. Think there was A. Powerful agenda laid out for the show. But I, you know. What happens is There's a virus. Okay it starts. And actually they what they did was we had a meeting in the situation room, which is a very sort of Siri broom i-it they should rename at the serious room situation. You can have a good situation, but there's it seems like whenever in there discussing good situations it's always serious. So I said we're GONNA call it the trump serious room. But what I think we should do is they played the movie. Contagion have you heard of this movie contagion? Contagion, can you know those different? You Know Thailand. Thailand has different pronunciations, but we did a very strong viewing of the because instead of charts and things I think they did such a good job with that movie that showed explained the science a Bat. Took a dump on a pig. Gwyneth paltrow doing a stupid. You know she's a lifestyle, the lifestyle brand, she does a lifestyle brand brings it over gets Matt, Damon Sick, and the next thing you know we've got a shutdown China so that's I mean that's I'm making it a little simple. You know they call it layman's terms I'm putting into stood of terms that everybody can understand, but it's doing very powerfully but it was a very helpful film very helpful failed in terms of explaining. I hope I didn't lose you there with all the science soon I sometimes get. Up. Thank you. Mr President. The near Times revealed year your income taxes this this week and ten years of not paying taxes I. Think you paid Seven hundred fifty dollars in two, thousand, sixteen, two, thousand, seventeen. The biggest thing here is that your hair your hair costs seventy thousand dollars a year. And you paid seven hundred thousand dollars to Ivanka as a consultant which I don't even know is legal. Would you like to explain all this place? Our tax code is totally should be illegal. Okay. They take money from people great great jobs and do very strong things for the economy. But basically it's called depreciation. Okay. When you're a great builder and you buy properties like I do the value, it depreciates you know it's it's what happens with a wife the wife turns forty. and. You start to have less appreciation for that's depreciation. And sometimes, that can depress you. You know you're you're trying to be a strong businessman a member of remember my wife is now forty two gross. I'm no longer doing a strong at business because I'm depressed about you know the model is not looking. Looking like an old model, we want the new model. And so then you have depreciation and then you get divorced and you know you, you buy new businesses you meet. Transylvanian women who come over for green cards and you know it's a very there's a there's sort of. A cyclical nature to it. So we have many years of depreciation and but at the same time I'm worth forty, two, billion dollars. So it's a, it's a very complicated sort of arrangement spicy too complicated. You know we should be talking about other other things I. Think any Vonk was a a tremendous consultant she deserved all that money. And so I mean you guys do. You ever ever go I mean you're married now tech stuff guy. Yes. But when you're when you're courting, they call it courting when you're trying to data woman, it tried to flush some cash is show off. So like whether Vonk, I was like look at me of cash doesn't impress you. While you your daughter. Now I didn't say I was courting my daughter I was saying I was trying to impress her. Okay Well. Can you question? Yes. Does it trouble you at all that in a year like two, thousand, sixteen or two, thousand, seventeen you you paid seven hundred, fifty dollars in taxes. That's less taxes than a teacher would pay or a nurse or a waitress. Or? A Guy, who installs your cable in fact it's less money. Than some would pay taxes if they were not unemployment. People. In unemployment actually pay more in taxes than seven, hundred, fifty dollars. So I wonder. Do you think that makes them suckers? I wouldn't go as strong as to stay suckers. I would say you know something nicer losers. I think that you know that suckers is the worst thing you can say but I'd say they're a step up from suckers. Believe. Me I understand there was a time in my life where I didn't have anything except fifty, five, million dollars from the Great Fred, trump? Okay. I've been in some pretty dark places. Some pretty depots. So I, know what it's like to struggle but now I am sort of. The, the the phrase to the to the. Victor go the spoils. Yes. Well, I don't know who victor is in our family. We have a saying that says. Donald goes everything fuck everybody else it's sort of a more blunt phrase but I, think it's sort of a powerful phrase that we use show. You know I feel sorry for these people that that talented that they have to take sort of jobs you might not want but I think if they work hard and if they you know vote me in for another. Four to eight years I. think they'll see that everybody will get a lot richer with me in power. Mr President. Can you explain? The seventy thousand dollars right off to take care of your hair. What are you doing to your hair? Doesn't look like you get a blow out every day or what is exactly happening? Mike Pence certainly wishes he could do that for me. That guy looks at me. Like my vice president and not my mistress calm down. The. It's it's a very powerful hairstyle. It's I would think you would agree it's sort of conic nobody ever remember Rachel remember the Rachel. By the way she wants asked me out and I said, no because she wasn't hot enough but Jennifer Aniston. Brad Pitt and she asked me out I think I might have broken up their marriage but. For now, what happened was everybody was older right shoulder Rachel. She had this hack nobody ever asked how much it was. Everybody knows an expensive haircut because he was very stylish. I. Have AN ICONIC HAIRCUT I'm not on friends. Okay. I'm in the White House. That's sort. I would say a little bit bigger deal than being on a show and you know it takes a lot. It's a brand it's sort of an image. So you know we spend a lot of. taking care of the presidential main. Let's call it. Do you see? I'm sorry billy had a follow up question. Jay If you don't mind go for. Because you never know the rule is is two nights but. I'd be happy to to write and direct sequel, and this may be part of it So in those tax. Returns singer Lee clear that you're in debt somewhere around four hundred, twenty million dollars to somebody. That's why you're. Declaring all these loss ears. Who Leo that money to? It's. You. Know I promised her. Certain people. Named Vlad that I wouldn't say. So I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA share that okay. That's you know between May and powerful people. that we will work that out but you know. I'm the king of debt. Okay. They called me the well. I called myself the King of debt but I'm the King of debt and I'm not afraid. Okay. I've dealt with very tough people and that's the risks when you're a big time player like I am you take certain risks but will be fine. We'll be fine and by my third term in office just like. We will have you know done a lot of deals and it'll be I think, very strong. I heard that the membership fee at mar-a-lago for you were President with six, hundred, thousand dollars, and now it's six million dollars. Isn't that enough to cover your debt? Well. You know. I still have to eat. Okay. I. CAN'T PAY DEBT I've got. Properties. I've got women I've got McDonald's says you can't just go. Oh here. You know if you if you owe money, you don't pay the whole if you have to eat if you have to live after, do you have to have life it's called life and it can't just pay off your debt the whole time. So now and mar-a-lago, by the way thank you for bringing a such a such a strong club. It's doing so well said such A. It's I. Think it's a total coincidence. It's done so well since I became president. Mr President. Speaking of a very strong club, we have a strong sponsor this week, and that is Ben Online Dot AG. Every. 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You were heavy favorites to president but not the heavy favorite almost an even line and this might have some heavy because I'm six foot five, hundred, twenty pounds. That's right. Slim. Rock solid and speaking of rock solid. The Rock Mr President, he is endorsing somehow I. Know You're GonNa do that. The Rock has endorsed Biden Harris Iraq has lots of followers on social media. He's in touch with the youth that should scare you a little bit. He's like I think he was running for president right now he might be able to take out you and Biden. So. It's and I think you know we have Hollywood person here. So I think it's sad that of talented people who you know seemed to be solid people who get so brainwashed by the Hollywood left. The Rock. The Rock is centrist. He's always been sort of a non-political good guy and it's sad that decided after all this time. To throws. Way. And by the way is not that is not that strong behind sleepy Joe Biden and Koala Harris like, why would I don't I? Honestly don't understand why he would do that but did you see him in his State Shirt? Did you see him and his women's small t shirt? He looked has entire body looked like it was made up of D. Cup. Breasts like silicon. Everywhere he was just he looked like an action like. I mean believe me. I had to see the picture because Mike Pence wouldn't stop at it but. It's you know this is this is we're looking for for endorsements I. Don't I don't need the Rock I have kid rock. Okay. At any Barack, I have kid rock and kid rock is a much better patriot. And you've got mail. And don't you know Antonio. Junior. Probably I don't think you've worked with them. I. Don't think you've worked at that level talent. Don't forget Jon. voight. He's a strong conservative although he scares me a little talk sometimes I. You know I have a high opinion of myself but I I praise to me at night. He's a little. I loved somebody. WHO LOVES THEIR PRESIDENT BUT? Even for me. Jon. voight get design little much. James Woods. While James Words is actually sort of the front runner to replace the Great Jeffrey Epstein in my inner. Circle. You know because once the Great Jeff Epstein and I don't know if you're familiar we I don't like to bring them up on the podcasts. It's it gets sometimes it gets me it's though loss is still very raw. because. He was definitely. Not, murdered by Attorney General Bill Bar in a sound, it was definitely a total suicide. And it still affects me. So James Woods is sort of you know. You know that guy who likes the sort of to? Walk the line in terms of Is it legal? Is it not legal I? I should have a risk taker that way show we're very excited. We're going to see if he can join the cabinet next next time. Mr, president our guest billy ray he wrote and directed Achey. breaky heart. Remember that song now that's. That's billy Ray Cyrus that's billy ray Cyrus. This is just billy that hose that now who's this when I was still you told me we had billy race Irish I said even though he did the country song with the gay black I said. I still think he's going to be a strong guest. Ellie Ray you just missed. You misunderstood what I was saying he's the writer and director of Komi Rule. It's on showtime right now. You said you didn't see it but then you said you didn't see any of the three hours and forty three minutes or whatever you. Like three hours and thirty five minutes. It says I'm sure there's gaps that I totally me because I wasn't I wasn't very interested in seeing. The James Komai story you know whatever it's called the Komi rule. Now Mr frozen since you didn't see any of it, you didn't see that. Don. Jr. had a little cameo in the series. Did you happen to see now? I caught that that part I saw I did see him I saw. The first, the first part, it was a two parter. and. I'm watching the first part and I see this tall handsome blond guy walking around in a suit and I go well finally somebody showing me respect. And then at the end they. They were saying that James. Comey. I was like, no, that was a tall handsome blond guy had to be that wasn't James Comey and I'm watching and then they have this guy up in the second episode. You know so. You. Know this guy looked like he was about six, one, two, hundred and eighty pounds knock not six foot six to ten like I. Trim sort of strong and fit and I'm GONNA lose they totally messed up the casting the other guy looked more like me the James Comey character totally trump. So I was I was confused from the beginning. but it was I've seen worse. I've seen worse. I thought that was There was some talent there was some talent. I. Thought. Patron lease can I ask the director? Can I ask the writer director? Of course, now Peter and lace I. Think you know that I've. Basically done phone sex on at my rallies in character Peter and Lisa paid a painter Lisa Lisa what we're going to get that son of a bitch Peter I think it's one of my greatest hits. Let me tell you something the actor and the actress playing Leeson Pita. Quite the upgrade. Okay. These are good looking people and yet, and this is why I think you should have failed as a director. No sex if you're going to upgrade and get the hot Peter and the. Lisa well, let's get. We know what they were doing. Let's get. Let's you know. Let's show. Let's get some me rules and C. Seventeen action. PG Thirteen I was like what's gone? I mean if you're gonNA show these nasty people who who hate me let's at least you know if they're upgraded. Hot version. Let's get that version. You asking for penetration was depressed. Is that what you're asking me? I didn't say that say that. Okay. Okay Nice did What am I did some release steamy scenes perhaps with you and stormy Daniels or you N. cared McDougal or a whole host of others I could do that. Know. I think we'll see what happens. I think I'd be willing to do a cameo as myself for those has as a sort of great entertainer. I was in home alone two, which is you know when of great films? So I have I have great entertainment experience so I could do that. You hosted the apprentice. You have you have some chops, Mr President? The president you upset that there was no Ivanka. Well I couldn't. He couldn't. You can't. There's one Avianca. There's an actress alive who could play vodka. Peter was that the case that you couldn't cast someone as beautiful as Ivanka so you just didn't writer into the script. That it's exactly the case. Okay well now, you know what? Now, this is sort of top top Hollywood Burston we're talking to that was a test. You pass the test we wanted to see if you're sort of one of these. Fake fake Patriot libs who just likes to track. But now now now I like what we're talking about. It was actually I thought a solid series. Now I can say that now that nice to me I can tell you I was very impressed with that. You know like I said I. Only three hours and thirty six of the three hours and forty two minutes so I might have missed a lot but. showtime it's on. Showtime. I was I was actually really curious. What you thought about the scenes where it was just you and Komi because you know to to fashion though scenes. All I had was comey's. Point of view I mean all I had was he had memorialize all of his meetings with you. You know he had taken very, very serious notes but that's all I had to go on. And so I'm wondering what your perception of those scenes like the. Dinner or the scene where where Komi told you about the steele dossier or the scene where you ask Komeito go easy on Mike Flynn. I just wondered what you thought about. You feel like I've got them. Right. Can we go off the record? Can we go off the podcast records? President okay. Thank you. Now, this can't be used in court. Okay. That's sort of odd cast law. I thought it was very accurate. I thought the only problem was. A lanky James Comey was just sorta week. He was such a sad week person about of course I asked them to make deals and to be tough. I. That's how APP Eight. Okay. That's how I operate. It's I but it was. It was the sad thing was his response was so weak. That was the problem now I asked him for loyalty because I think the attorney see bill bar. In our meetings would be like if you do a sequel, the the bar rural. It's a two minute movie. He comes in with that Hound dog face and he says, yes, Baugh us, and then he goes and beats up protesters and. Definitely. Doesn't Murder Jeff Epstein on my orders and it's a great sort of. It's a quick movie. You could go on quickey your. Webby where they make the five second movies or something. The Bar rule on qube coming this fall five second show the barrel. So I think I think it was so weak I thought that those I think those were basically what happened. Let's go back on the On the. Back We're back on the record just answer your question because we're not gonna hit that part. I never asked them to do anything with General. Flynn. WHO's a good guy by the way and I thought it was. Not. Totally truthful. What happened in the movie, but I didn't think it was the biggest fake news I've ever seen, but it was. I understand Hollywood it was not terrible. It was a little bit much but not terrible. And just between us why did you fire him? I don't understand how the presidential podcasts works I. Get to call when we go off the podcast record. Okay. Now you get one, get one, one mess up we allow that were very. It's called Grace Very. Gracious. Nobody fired him. As of the Hillary does. The Russia Hillary Flynn should have. Many things but I'd say it was the Hilary Russia Flynn. Loyalty. charges reports issues. I think sort of a Combo and but it was you know he deserved to be fired. He was a he was a crooked cop. He was a crooked cop nobody liked them at the FBI of that I know that I, can tell you. That actually wound up not being true. You know Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that in a press conference that but Nolan liked him at the FBI, and then later when she was under oath, she had to admit to the Mueller investigation that that wasn't true at all that she had completely made that up. Are you calling I? Don't excuse excuse me excuse me. Okay excuse me. I don't know if you're familiar with this show. But you need to be very careful when you invoke the name of the Great Sarah Huckabee Sanders. My most loyal, you think bill bars, a loyal soldier Sarah Huckabee. Sanders would destroy bill bar in a loyalty test again. She did not lie. She told the truth I wan near anything other than that. We call the Big Hawk on the PODCAST and I won't have any huck slander. Mr President, I have a question for you in the series you're described many times as spiteful. Would you describe yourself as as a spiteful person is the present? Now no not at all in fact. Before the podcast, I actually told I R S to hold off on Auditing Billy Ray. Yesterday I was very mad and I said, audit him taps phones. Make sure. Take away health insurance. See if we can cancel sags health insurance or whatever. He's a member of the the WAG the writers guild. Of America. That, we go the way. Okay well. And that was close I was close to offensive and And then before the show I said you know what? Let's put a pause bill bar pause that don't investigate him yet. We'll see if he's a nice guy. So I thought that was very that's the opposite of spite that's called. Generous. I. I will say though I I liked. How mahler looked like a total asshole. And I think you'd Agree Bob Muller looks like a total asshole in this. He's in it for like five minutes and it's like what a jerk Even, call me seemed to be like, why is this guy such a jerk so call me and I actually find common ground. Bob Muller doddle Esau. From the that the movie is about how art breaking can be to be a public servant and Jim. Coney. Embodies that from a lot of people in the FBI do and it seemed to be that that Bob Muller was absolutely a public servants who was just SORTA burnt out. It had just been doing the job for too long and and. I think he was Outta gas in I. Think you have benefited from that when he investigated you because investigated like like a tired person were. Like a dog I like to say like a like a tired dog hated looked like remember he looked like an athlete that should've retired five years ago Willie mays playing for the mets. Gay was terrible but he was a real jerk in this one's. and. What I found interesting was Andrew McCabe. Okay. WHO's of course? Very nasty person he's in the series alight. Total failure, Total Democrat and. Lifelong Republican Sir. That's what he says. That's what he says. Okay but. I thought it was interesting. Because, you don't know but their. Excuse. I'm sorry. You were a democrat. Now that's fake news I. What I can tell you is that. Andrew McCabe I learned from your series. I'm watching it and I knew the guy was bad news but then I watched series inside very closely. This Guy Andrew McCabe murdered a bunch of people on cards. Because Another sport during the government shutdown I was very famous as I shared on the podcast. I finished net flicks I watched all of 'em. Now, there's new goes on but finished netflix's during the government shutdown. And how cards I watched very powerfully Andrew. McCabe murdered a bunch of people on House cards. No that's another character played by the same actor. Okay well see I thought you'd say that and yet you know who I saw in your in your little movie on Showtime Don Lemon. Don Lemon was in the mood that wasn't an actor playing on lemon that was don lemon. Show now you're tell. Okay. So you're telling me Don. Lemon was the real don lemon but the Andrew McCabe was played by an actor. Andrew McCabe is in scenes and Don Lemon is is behind TV screen. We showed a piece of Don Lemon broadcast. We did that there are there other news reporters a lot of CNN by the way a lot of CNN I wasn't too happy about that. And you call them the Clinton News Network in our in our show. Yes. So that's but that's my point and this is why nobody trusts the dams and nobody trusts Hollywood. News Fox News appears in our movie of Rudy. Giuliani. WAS ON. Fox News. At the end of a night one. And that was a good night we like that. Very interesting and entrusting that you have A. Chanel migrate supporters are supposed to believe that Oh. No when it's not good, it's you know it's an actor and when it's good, it's the real person I know it sounds like a total hoax I think the Komi rule is a toto how Mr President, I have a question for you. Who Do you think was the hottest FBI employees. In real life or in the movie when the movie. I was Lisa come on Lisa. He's still got thing for Lisa. Might. Not The least that they had in this in the right Lisa Lisa actress Lisa Real I think she was murdered in game of thrones. So it was good to see you come back. Tough Lisa stuff she. Had murdered at our wedding and game of thrones, and then she comes back I. You know she was very motivated to hurt the president. So. Chaplain is her name Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter. Eugene, O'Neill's great granddaughter I believe. When I see something I like I do strong with Capena. Very, strong, Kapadia. Mr President I was confused because during this podcast, you talk very family of prostitutes, and then in this film, you denied many scenes, Russian prostitutes where listening to this podcast you talk very highly of Russian prostitutes very confused. You know what? I thought the show did very well that nobody gives me credit for nobody ever gives me credit. I was very concerned with my wife Messa Thelma's feelings. I was very concerned with feelings. I didn't want her to be offended and insulted and here lies nasty is and everybody always acts like I'm some bad guy I showed great caring. In this movie I showed tremendous and powerful caring. Okay it was some of the strongest scaring. I think you've ever seen so I did think that was good I. liked I liked seeing that because it showed. You know that I That my Lanta means something to me that we have a strong a strong bond that you can only have with your. Third Trophy wife a special. Level of love. So you. I'm sorry to interrupt Jake. Did you feel that Jim Komi loved his family too. But in a weak way, you see him cry you're seeing him cry at the e cried Ekran F- big. Dusk. Jim. Komi big. Tall FBI man crying. Crying I think more than his wife. What You can't have a guy leading the FBI who's standing there like a giant tree. You know what we call them. We call them the weeping willow. That's what we're GONNA call him because he's a big tall tree that's crying waiting willow. Komi. That's his new nickname if he ever gets a job again. Mr Mr President. So you're happy the way it was it accurate. The way you care for your wife shown in the film is that. Accurate to real life. Host, wife Your wife is at as an accurate the way the film showed it because it is at factual how you care for your wife like that was concerned about with the prostitutes. which why are we talking about? Milania, the wife that you were married to right now. Oh. Now it's it's you know it's great respect we have great respect. And she's you know a great a great first lady a great. First Lady that's what we call the third first. Lady. I WanNa know on any. What else is this? Your first? Is this your first film? What? What is this? What else have you done? Mr President he has a huge resume. Did I know you're you're a fan of these movies? Way. I don't think it was I'm not saying I want to be nice I thought it was like went on for you. Know I think he's working with a lot of libs in Hollywood? So he can give the full truce because if he was doing the true story, we would have Jon. Voight, as May. We would have had Vince Vaughn. As as Jared Kushner. Gary. sinise would maybe played Ryan Spree. James Woods would have had to have been in them maybe as Anthony Weiner something who can someone's play? Buso Chuck Wollery. Watch. One of our great Hollywood people. Tell, something about rights pre-bus. It's interesting when we were on the when we were on the set and I was talking to a tr night who plays rights priebus and I was talking to Brendan Gleeson. Plays. View and sort of the watchword for all of their scenes was I would just say that I'd say to Brandon look in the White House every day is shit on Ryan's priebus that. And that's how he played it and and I know that's how you feel about rights. He's I, took them on because the R.. Say they want their own little house to keep their eye on me but You know I told them I told them to get the hell out of there. Fired him. I think I fired him by Tweet I love firing people by tweet. Stretch. Did for somebody who showed a stuck in the Hollywood elite I think you actually did a fair as fair job as you could do. Okay I think we would have gotten. Nash Desouza had done the Komi Rule I. Think we would have a much higher quality honest film. You know they called the Nash Desouza the the Orson. Welles of zero percent on rotten tomatoes. That's what they call him. He's a he's a legendary filmmaker but But I think you did you know your show to handicapped by being surrounded by the Hollywood elite. But if I think that's a very strong effort, it's not as for Mr. President he's been a part of films that you enjoy. You enjoy the hunger games, right? Well. Especially, after I leaked Jennifer Lawrence's photos on the Internet. You were the one who come. Take Edit that edit that in post whatever you do with the tech. The Hunger Games was great. The Hunger Games was like what we're working towards the end game for trump like three three to four terms of a trump administration. We're hoping to hot blondes murdering people in the woods while the rich watch that is literally. I don't call it. The hunger should've called the the the movie heaven but it was that was an excellent film. Oh, I didn't okay. Did the okay so Broken clock is right twice today. So you did hunger games. That's another thing that you've talked about. I was I was one of the right right Did a part of it yet see every Captain Phillips. Captain Phillips is one of my probably my most favorite film ever made. Well I wrote ask. I got nominated for an Oscar for that. Then you wrote captain. Phillips. Okay then how did you get stuck with the? Roy. How did you get sucked into the sort of Liberal Hollywood? Nastiness captain. Phillips is the I would argue the greatest film of the last decade. Okay Tom. Hanks tremendous Tom Hanks everybody loves Tom Hanks unlike the rock whose week you don't see Tom Hanks doing instagram talking about endorsements because he's too busy being a great. American. The squad kidnaps dynamics Ilhan Omar kidnaps Tom Hanks. The squad, the squad from Somalia they kidnap. Tom. Hanks. No who saves the day they were selling Somalian, right? There was molly. Yep It would they were. Excuse me I'm pre men. You got excuse me take. You gotta take the compliment. So the squad. AFC. Any alano marsh. Hit an APP Tom, hanks, a great American and who saves the day, our great armed forces, our great military and they saved on hanks and it's a beautiful thing. It's it's that movie was so well done and so tense. And the ending is so great and it just tells you that Tom Hanks in our military will always defeat Ilan Omar and I thought I. I changed my that is a you have. I'm going to give you I. Think I'm GonNa. Give you one of the presidential medal the remember the award that the great rush. Limbaugh. One. I think you're almost to that level I. think almost worthy of the same award rush limbaugh got I would turn that award down 'cause I don't WanNa share an award with rush limbaugh but secondly. Share his he has his his own. You would get you would get. Interested in it, but there were no women were no women Somali pirates they were men and and it wasn't Ilana women so malnourished, can you really tell at that point when they haven't eaten and so they sort of just become very skinny week beep. At you know it's lovely that you say such nice things about the seal team at saved him. But I I'm wondering why you at the same time would call people in the military losers and suckers because because you were able to avoid the military that doesn't seem to square with what you're saying about the military and I wonder if that has to do with why so much of the military's turned against you at this point and now I think well, I, think you as somebody I think I would call you a talented writer at this point. You know I think you've borough Vin yourself now. I think the troops that you wrote about. What better troops they were like they were like super troops? And we have good trips to but I think I like the ones in your movies the best. Okay. I want a movie where we have the team from Captain Phillips. Go go against Jennifer Lawrence in the hunger games. Let's get that going. I think I just wrote your next hit movie. The president, we have two more pieces of news. I'm no I want to let. You. WanNa talk about the other movies I understand, but he's going to be breaking fast. So I want to let him get to the Jewish holiday. No I. Mean you're you're in charge was the president I just thought no. I. Think we discussed this sort of a new diet. It's like a Hollywood but that's okay. That's okay. He's been very nice. His is one of the few Hollywood elites the libs that I think I actually think is not so bad. I'm gonNA tell everybody by the way this should help you film I'm GonNa say I'm, GonNa tweet out. Your president's favourite writer director. Billy ray think that'll do so many good things for you in. Hollywood. I think it's going to do a lot of things for him. I don't know how good they. They'll do some things, Mr President you chose your nominee amy, Coney Barrett billy what do you think about the president's choice. At, player in a movie, I've got amy. Amy Adams. Nicole Kidman. Oh and that's okay. That's what while they can both audition but Nicole. Kidman. Good choices well. She's not from America and I think it's insulting that you you're part of the reason probably why we have all these. Taking strong American jobs in Hollywood. Ami conybeare it is going to be a tremendous Supreme Court justice. She believes in. Antonin Scalia I think that's her judicial philosophy whatever Scalia would've done. She's GonNa, do it but do it prettier. President I don't know much about her but I did read that she's so religious that she's been in ceremonies where you talk in tongues. While in the eighties I went to a lot of parties where they used it on's, and there were a lot of fun I can tell you that. I don't think it's the same kind of party we're talking about. It's a very extreme crazy religious kind of stuff. You think that's fine for the Supreme Court. Well. We'll see we'll see what happens. I think you know we're GONNA try and we're actually pitching a show about the supreme, court so I think you get Clarence Thomas, Brett Cavanaugh and acute chick that talks in tongues in the same room. I think you've got a hit show for net flicks. Okay. Obama's got a Netflix deal. Where's my Netflix steel trump's supreme court that's. Going to be the best show. Mentioned about. lot of people out here. Think that your endgame. after November third 'cause I I think a lot of people out here pretty convinced. You're not going to be reelected but the thought out here is that you'RE GONNA take over O. A. N. and just turn it into into trump TV and you'll wind up making billions of dollars a lot worse than rush limbaugh ever made. Is that the plan for you. That is. Pretty much exactly the plan. We're going to have. Because what I love about Oh and is it takes its all of its recorded in some kids basement. It's most low budget thing. You've ever seen the average age of the on air talent is fourteen. So. It's going to be a tremendous. It's going to be the easiest takeover ever. All of their anchors are already competing to sleep with me. You'll see them in the press conference they. I mean. Basically I think, oh, an recruits you know. Polynesian. Runaways from authority in New York and that's their talent you know it used to be. You know if you saw the deuce on HBO it used to be they'd go into other things if you found runaways in Times Square now they put them on an so it's it's a beautiful thing and I think great takeover and it's going to be. the trump America News Network Tan. There is quite a bit of research indicating that o n get into news from Russia. There's a lot of. Talented people in Russia. Out of smart people in Russia. and. That doesn't trouble you at all. That's why should we? If they have great news? We should use all the news you know. I'm thinking we're going to arrange there's going to be Russian pro. We're GONNA have Russian news. We're GONNA get Great North Korean News. We're going to have a lot of it's called a lot of perspectives want to have great perspectives from all over the globe not just Amex DNC which I'm sure you like. Mr President. You have the debate tomorrow night. How are you preparing for this debate? I been going to local nursing homes and pushing people downstairs. So that is basically my prep for sleepy Joe Biden. It's not going to be pretty tomorrow night that I can tell you. That's all you give me. I'll give Hillary credit. A terrible candidate but she didn't. She didn't get rattled. Okay. I said nasty things to her and she just put that plastic smile and nothing happened I think sleepy Joe. I'm going to get to them and I'm going to get quick. I'm going to enter up to him every time he talks. And you're going to see him get flustered and his hair plugs are going to start coming out and it's not GonNa be pretty and people are going to realize that they can have a sleepy joe in the White House Mr President after tomorrow night's debate at ten thirty you were going to go on live podcast for a patron patriots perfect ten level at ten thirty PM for a debate recap and. Acuna. So that is very exciting. So you must not think that you're going to even have a battle there that you're going to do double duty with show after the debate I will have a towel on my shoulder wiping my brow from the life sweat because I won't even have to exert a lot of energy and I'll be eating a happy meal from McDonald's, and that's how will end the debate prep. Billy. What do you think? What are you look at it as a sort of top tier writer director? I. Think I can tell you that no. Hunger Games and Captain Phillips, and the and you could have done a lot worse with the Komi Rule I. Think. You know some of these liberal. If Spike Lee had directed it. Okay. It would have been a total disaster but I think you you're respectful which is something I. Don't say a lot about. Horror believes. Like you so I think that. What do you think as a filmmaker? What do you think is GonNa Happen during this? What are you looking for in terms of entertainment? 'cause I want to what would you like to see and maybe I can deliver that? Well. You mean in the debate. Okay so Listen Don in in my business like sorry can't hear you can hear you. I have too much respect for the office of President to call you. Mr President. I can't do it, and that's not even correct Ms. Well, tech stuff. If you could just say before he starts speaking Mister Peres. In Post that as him saying it. Okay. Go Anyway in my business like in your business if you're explaining you're losing. So I think what's going to happen is what does that? What does that mean? It means is you don't want to be playing defense and you're losing. Gotcha you're explaining. So now you've lost. Point for you forty five. What I what I think is coming is. Joe. Biden is GONNA. Make you answer questions about. The taxes and a vodka. And he's GonNa make you answer questions about covert and bounties on the heads of US soldiers. And rollbacks on environmental regulations can I make some predictions on things I will say and I and I think he's going to make your explain about the huck. So I. my guess is you're going to be the WHO, what was that last one the Hawk Sarah Huckabee Sanders Sarah well better. Not He better not go there. I can tell you that. Is I'm GonNa, show you I'm GonNa give you because you've been such a nice guest. Stuff guy finally hasn't screwed this episode up. I'M GONNA. Tell you right now when they bring up taxes, I'm GONNA pretend like they said Texas. So I'm going to do like a two minute talk on Texas, and then we're onto the next thing when he brings up Ivanka I'll give you the lion of the night ago. Well I can tell you what I wouldn't allow Hunter Biden anywhere near Czanka, and then it's a free for all. Then then no issues it's against kid and now the bait will be off and I will win. So look for that those D., my little predictions for the strong podcast people in our great guest. Would you be interested at all in in doing a rewrite on maybe you're opening their your closing. On that would be. That's actually a good idea. What would you rather do the opening of the closing? I'd rather do both honest with you. I mean I rewrite for a living that's what I do. So, you let me know your stumbling at all I mean I can I can do apologize for you. Okay well, now, we can tweet out that not only my favorite writer director in Hollywood, but now you're actively helping the trump campaign so. Good. Luck you'RE GONNA. Have a great job in Danish. desouza studios. Turn. Billy Ray. Thank you so much for coming on and being our guest. This is so awesome and everyone out there. Please wash the Komi rule it is awesome. It's on showtime. It's a two-part movie It was fabulous. It was really awesome. Even the president watched it. So it is a great movie check that out also on demand I'm sure it's got listings, but it's on demand. So Oh. Yes. I. I usually don't break character so quickly but thank you very mom. Billy for doing this. This is a lot of fun and it was really. Great. It was it was it was we we don't make a lot of recommendations on this show because it's just a narcissistic. Drama. Comedy but. It is for all our fans who are probably political junkies of some some degree. It's awesome and what I will say is my mom is like, Hillary, ride or die and she hated James. Komi for years but she I, she's watched it yet but she read the book and it actually sorta changed her mind about. But I'm saying I think the movie conveys that very well as wet like in terms of migos. Whole approach and shows sort of dilemmas that he deals with and I think knowing that my mom loved the books for the for that reason, I didn't read the book but I'm saying I feel like the movie clearly conveyed that that Balance so well done and. Incredible to have you on because until you tweeted at me, I was just like, Oh, this guy. This blue checkmark guy liked my stuff Kurgan who? I am and I was like, Holy Shit. Literally I was like Oh my God I had like four of this guy's movies. This is nuts. Thank you e you are a genius I, I mean literally, this is just an hour of knee laughing I. Hope I didn't ruin your grave. You were fantastic eight. When is the podcast up like Lincoln I? Can I tweeted I think J, if I know we're still recording but I think what we should do only because we have the debate recap tomorrow just throw. Up Tonight so that the debate you know so that people aren't having stuff bunched up in the wrong order. You. Email me and at me and I tomorrow tomorrow morning. We'll send you everything for shadow that. Yes everyone please check out Komi Rule Billy Ray. You're awesome. Such is such a great film and thanks again for for coming on the show it's showtime everyone check it out also tomorrow night we are doing Patriot Patriot for perfect ten debate recap Patriot dot com slash mpg a check out the new website and PGA pod dot com got t shirts youtube page episodes. And out there on tape in a special on Saturday night at the Belair outdoors in a parking lot next to a dumpster I'm an idiot, please I need a crowd. So come check it out all the pig is out there. We know your story succumb checking out Belair Diner eight o'clock Belair diner that NYC and again everyone check out Komi rule on showtime it's on demand. Billy. Thanks again so much. Really appreciate this. Was this was so much may may God forgive me for doing jumped to four? And if I may just want my my sense sign off. I will be doing on trump the internet YouTube dot com slash trump the internet in character a cute alive. Before the debate so YouTube dot com slash trump the internet subscribe there you can join it'll be an hour long live Q. and A. With me. Then the debate then are queuing QNA podcast everybody who's a perfect ten member but another thing October seventh I will doing as Mike pence a pre VP DEBATE QNA as my pants so. It'd be a little tough but I am I'll show you a video that I just made. That's coming out this week, which is the trump kings of comedy, which is me as trump pence bill are Mitch McConnell Don Jr. doing like a Netflix stand up special show. I watched it today. It's just two and a half minutes, but it is I'm very proud of that. So I'm getting all this political comedy out of my system. So hopefully, things turn normal in January so. Thank you so much again, everybody check out the Komi rule of subscribe to this podcast. Especially share this episode with friends and God help us all. Thank you.
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And if that doesn't work we're gonna close the border too, close for comfort women step forward to say former vice president Joe, Biden made them feel uncomfortable, Biden did not apologize but released a video are. I understand. And I'll be more mindful. That's my responsible Meyer responsibility. And I'll meet a White House whistle blower says security clearances were issued that should not have been. She spoke with NBC. The protection of national security is not a democratic issue or Republican issue. It's an American issue. Join us what's moving the world this week. Join us anytime it on point radio dot org or on Twitter and Facebook where they're at on point radio with me in the studio this hour, Kimberly Atkins, WB wars, senior, Washington, correspondent Kim great to have you here to be here with us from Washington is Fernando Perot. He covers congress the White House and the federal government for Univision Fernando. Welcome back to one point great to have you. Thank you for having the end from Hanover, New Hampshire on point news analyst, Jack Beatty. Hello, jack. Jane, Kim and Fernando. So let's start with the House Judiciary committee this week authorizing a subpoena to force the Justice department to give congress full copy of the special counsel. Robert Muller's report, Kimberly, let's start with you. It's been two weeks since Robert Muller released his findings your reaction to this house subpoena. I mean, I think that's what was expected. We knew that lawmakers democratic lawmakers in the house of particularly those in the committees that are investigating various aspects of President Trump was they were gonna want this information. They want them full Muller report. They have the ability to see even the classified parts of it. They want the underlying evidence. So that they can see how these conclusions were drawn. And I think the the report that even Muller's investigators were unhappy with William bars attorney general bars classification of it only adds fuel to to the fire that Democrats have for net or I'm surprised it took two. Weeks for the Democrats to step up here and say give us their report. Yes is taking them along time to get this done as they promised to act to as soon as they would have to report. Let's remember that it also includes subpoenas for evidence from some of the president's closest advisers of former advisors like Steve Bannon hope Hicks, Ryan spree booze and a whole bunch of others. But as as Kimberly was saying, the whole idea as well, the some of the investigators of the report are are telling some of their colleagues or let it be known that they are not very happy with the summary that attorney general bar gave on March twenty fourth to congress because they feel it doesn't adequately portray the findings of their investigation that they could be more problematic for President Trump that it's been meant to or was said or implied in the report that bar sent to congress. It's also making a lot of news as wing here is house to destroy. Air chairman Jerrold Nadler is saying that it's important that the full report by special counsel, Robert Muller be released here. He is at a Capitol Hill hearing on Wednesday the constitution charges congress with holding the president accountable for alleged official misconduct. That job requires us to evaluate the evidence. For ourselves not the attorney general's summary, not substantially redacted synopsis, but the full report and the underlying evidence, and here's President Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday night on Fox News responding to the Democrats requests to release the mullahs report in its entirety. Here's what he said. There are a bunch of sneaky unethical leakers, and they are rabid Democrats who hate the president of the United States. I am absolutely confident that the report will bear out the conclusions the conclusions. No, no, obstruction. No Russian collusion of any time. It will bear that out. So there's Rudy Giuliani. Kimberly Atkin sang the report will bear out the conclusions that we heard from Bill bar, but is Fernando said some of Robert Muller's investigators have told associates that Bill bar didn't accurately portray the findings of the inquiry and that it was more troubling for President Trump in bar indicated. Yes, according to reporting by the Washington Post, and the New York Times, these investigators said the built into the report summaries that could be easily released to the public for the very purpose of having more disclosure, and and really giving a clear picture as to what they found in that William bar took just a couple of sentences out of that not even full sentences and put it in this four page letter. Which was the only thing that came out. And that is why we are here with demands to see it everybody classifying it in a different way, initially, President Trump said, you know, let it it's up to the attorney general let it be released. And now he's sort of pulling back in your hearing him and other Republicans saying, you know, what it's just the Democrats trying to make something out of nothing. And even if you gave them ten thousand pages that wouldn't be enough for Nando. These members of Muller's team are also reportedly saying that they are concerned that that Bill bar has created this first narrative of the report, and that Americans will have some sort of conclusion or perhaps a harden view of it before the actual conclusions become public. We'll they've sent as well that they actually had as Kimberly was was mentioning they had actually done their own summaries as as this investigation went along. So they are very concerned that they feel that as you as you say the narrative that that attorney general bars has presented to congress of which of course, we've seen very little of it and the rest of the of the nation. It's not exactly what was included in those summaries that the investigators themselves had been compiling. Over the last few months. So obviously, they are concerned that they want that to be included in any kind of summary that the the attorney general would have released to congress than so now again, I guess they're going to be pushing for full releasing the report as well. Jack beatty. How did you see all this? Well, I was struck with William bar. Here's a man with the phrase, sterling reputation who seems to have placed it at risk, you know, in his testimony before congress, Michael Cohen said that if you work for Trump the first thing you do when you get up in the morning is you help you figure out how to further Mr. Trump's plans, which often rests on deceit deceitful himself, the president appears to be the cause of deceit in others witness bar who now has according to these peop-, the retorts from the Muller people spun deceived, call it what you will this initial report to congress in a way that will soon be exposed. And it's it's the kind of thing that seems to happen again. And again to people who work for Mr. Trump their reputations are at risk. Let me get a caller in on this point, David in York. Maine, David you're on the air. I Jane, how are you? He will. Thank you. I I heard Devin Nunes this morning on Fox News impugning, the integrity of the Muller report. He actually called it the molar dossier. Now, this is the mullahs report that attorney general bar summarized as saying completely exonerated Trump. So you've got Devon Yun is the president's point man in congress impune the integrity of the report that supposedly completely exonerated him. I'm just hoping maybe your panel can explain thank you Kimberly Atkins. I mean, it may be trying to defensively or preemptively guard against any information in this report that will come out that is negative to the president. We know that congressman Nunez is one of the president's biggest defenders we also know that according to attorney general bar himself. His letter that some of the evidence that is contained in. This report is evidence that could support obstruction. We know that. Robert Muller didn't make determination he said that there's evidence on both sides of the and he left it up to someone else perhaps congress to make the final call. So maybe they're worried about that obstruction evidence. Well, House Democrats certainly flexing their muscles right now with the subpoena for the mullahs report and this week also the chairman of the House Ways and means committee, formerly requesting that the IRS handover six years of President Trump's personal and business tax returns for Nando the sets up a momentous fight with the administration the president saying during the campaign way back that he would not release his tax returns. He's under audit. Give me your sense of of this this this week. Well, the the president this week as well said the Oval Office that he responding to reporters that he thinks that they're going to have to talk to his lawyers or to attorney general bargain. The White House is still claiming that the the president's tax returns are under audit. Which was the the big. Excuse used during the campaign not to release his stacks tax returns. All those years. Let's remember that the the request by the chairman of the House Ways and means committee, Richard Neal. It's about six years turning over six years of returns a personal and business tax returns. Which is apparently a standard procedure that the IRS advises that you keep at least six years if your tax records for your own for your own good. So this is basically following a certain standard procedure here is House Ways. And means committee chairman Richard Neal of making this formal request this will likely launch a court battle that could stretch months even years here. He is also a case is likely to make its way through ports over a period of time. So we have to make sure that we handle it, Jack Beatty. Republicans say, you know, this is all unnecessary. Democrats say this is their duty their overriding duty their role. All right as overseers. How how do you view this? Jack beatty. For nando. Are you there? Yes. I'm here. How do you see this? Well, I think obviously we know that the president has has fought this for a long time. He's fought against precedent of of many candidates in other presidents, releasing the tax form. So obviously he's gonna fight this up. You know, the, obviously he never wanted this to go out in the public. He fought against it the whole the whole campaign, and obviously now he's gonna use the the the powers of the executive branch in order to avoid releasing these these tax returns and Kimberly Atkins. You know, Republicans are saying this is just another investigative assault on on Donald Trump. Yeah. 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I'm speaking with WB wars senior Washington correspondent Kimberly Atkins, Univision Washington, correspondent Fernando zero and on point news analysts, Jack Beatty, let's turn immigration now. It's been a week of back and forth for President Trump. The president repeated repeatedly threatening to close the border with Mexico. If the Mexican government would not restrict the flow of asylum seekers trying to cross into the US Kimberly Atkins. What'd you see in the president's sort of reversal this week? Yeah. Look there is the Republicans are United around this idea that the border needs to be strengthened. I think. Democrats even a want a tougher a strong border. But it's the way to get there, which is proving the problem, and I think Republicans realize once the president started talking out of frustration about closing the border entirely, that's a difficult proposition. That would cost a lot of American companies farmers and others millions of dollars people crossed over that border on a regular basis every single day and shutting that down with 'cause a lot of problems, and it probably wouldn't solve the problem that they're trying to fix which is influx of people migrating up from Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala and other countries because of the situation there, and so the president realized that and it seems that someone pulled him back a bit. And now he's saying he's giving Mexico a year to try to curb the crossings from their vantage point before he acts on Tuesday after President Trump had started talking about shutting down the border with Mexico. Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell said he. He does not want to see the border closed across the border. I think the president's right about that closing down the border would have potentially catastrophic economic impact on our country. And I would hope we would not be doing. There's the Senate majority leader Fernando talking about potentially catastrophic economic implications here. I mean, what is it? One point seven billion dollars of goods and services crossing over the porter cars jeans, flat screen TV's. You name. It talk about the trade offs here for the president for the American people in this kind of decision. Well, absolutely. According to Mexican figures three million Mexican border jobs a stake. I mean, we we're looking at it only from the Americans perspective. But yes, of course, all the all the trade one point something billion as you said the daily of of goods coming through the ports of entry. And that would be a massive head adding to to Senator McConnell's Ted Cruz. Who is not exactly a critic of President Trump? He he obviously said that was not the right thing to do to close aboard. But the but the president if I may add to the confusion this Thursday, he says in first that he's going to at this year. Then in a later appearance in the Oval Office with a Chinese delegation to talking about trade, then he's asked. But by a colleague says Mr President this mean, you're going to keep the border open for a year. And then he says, well, I didn't say that. So it's it's very confusing. Still what he means obviously looks like he's giving Mexico a year to deal with the drug issue, which for him is also very important. Let's not just the issue of migration the Mexican embassy yesterday held a press conference and the ambassador and the under secretary for North America where both president they they also react to the assertion that President Trump has made in the last few days, including. A Friday morning in which he says in the last week Mexico has done more than has done for a long time in decades. And they said that that is his own interpretation. Mexico has deported more than four hundred thousand Salvadorians Guatemalans, endurance in the last three years that one hundred thousand more than the US has actually deported. So they're not happy about this idea. They say they're willing to cooperate with the president. Now in another set of news if I may add this again this morning Friday morning. The president said the following because apparently he is withdrawing the nomination of ice director run the Tele was a CB p career officer. And I actually had been promoted by President Trump to be the director of ice, immigrations and customs enforcement, which is another agency under DHS. And apparently now he's withdrawing that nomination saying he wants to a different color direction. Right. Exactly. So that is a big big story going on. And maybe he's not happy. How things are being done in the interior enforcement. Which is what is does. Jack Beatty did Republican lawmakers talk the president down on the border issue. Yes. The president went out on a limb and they talked him back. He went out on another limb. And he's busy at weeks. In soaring. It off that would be cutting off aid declaration will cut off aid to the Central American countries from which these wretched poor people are coming and from where where and all experts agree that cutting off aid to which mostly goes through is filtered through civil society programs that help people stay in these countries that cutting off aid will hasten and increase the volume of mass migration. Make people even more desperate because they'll be less support for them and create even more crises, of course, from a policy point of view that looks like a recipe for failure. From a political point of view, the president wanting to charge up his base. You know, he's he told the CPAC recently. I will protect you. That's his message for the campaign, and he can say to his supporters. I'm protecting you from these these waves of Brown immigrants who are now surging up, and we'll be if this goes if aid is cut off to the border so Kimberly Atkins, by the way, it cutting off aid to countries like water Malla and Honduras, and El Salvador, Democrats, say those cuts are outside the law and would need congressional approval. Right. Democrats are definitely going to fight them to fight him on at every point on that. But to to Jack's point about what the president is doing a lot of the reason for the increase in these migrants that you see coming to the border has to do with the president's policies. One was the fact that he had ordered. There was this policy that separated children that had to be pulled back that had to be abandoned and children or order to be reinstated. There people who are more people are coming now for fear that that program will return his threats to close the. Order or actually causing more people to come up people. They're being encouraged or being courage by smugglers and others. Who said, hey, you have to you have to go. Now pretty soon you won't be able to because Donald Trump is going to change the policy. So his rhetoric is actually adding to the surge of migrants coming toward the United States, not keeping them away. So that's immigration. The president also backed off of his threat this week to kill ObamaCare saying that he wants to deal with that after the twenty twenty election Fernando Pizarro why they reversal on ObamaCare on healthcare. And this is one of those other occasions in which he says something in the tests. I didn't mean that he did say that he did imply that he wanted to push and he's apprised the congressional Republicans arrived right after the same week of the Miller report or or that when the attorney general bar sent his summary to congress, and what seemed to be a victory he got into this other. Fight which was try to repeal ObamaCare be, you know, in the next couple of years before the election, and I guess that panicked. Republicans Senator McConnell has insisted that he did talk to the president about this. Apparently, the president and said, well, I didn't mean to do it before twenty twenty. So we'll we don't have the house, and he said on camera that it had been his decision to delay. And and so basically now this has been pushed back to after the election. So jank PD Mitch McConnell made it clear he did not have the support in the Senate for this certainly not in the house. What did you see in the president's announcement on healthcare? Yes. The Republicans can't come forward with a replacement health care plan because of reasons of ideology to to guarantee preexisting conditions. There are only two things you gotta do and both of them require either direct government involvement Medicare or extreme regulation of the market ObamaCare. And both in that anathema to Republicans. They can't speak to preexisting conditions within the limits of their ideology, the Republican Senate showed that and when they were debating this in the summer of two thousand seventeen Trump's approval rating went down to thirty seven percent. Now, if if healthcare is salient again in two thousand twenty and it looks like the president may make it that with this with this announcement. That's not good news for him at the ballot box Kimberly Atkins. I mean, I guess the bottom line is Republicans don't have a replacement plan for healthcare. They don't. There is no plan. They're certainly not going to be one coming out of congress. Several Republicans including Senator Susan Collins who who expressed her displeasure at this new found a focus on eliminating ObamaCare said that any new plan would have to come from the White House that it is up to if the president wants a new plan, essentially he's going to have to. Come up with it. And find a way to sell it. This is not a fight that Republicans wanna have certainly not right now, certainly after not after the twenty eighteen election, which healthcare was the top issue in one reason that a lot of voters said they went and voted for Democrats. Well, let's turn to a meeting that the president had this week with the NATO secretary general we're in he criticized Germany for its defense spending also falsely claimed that his father was born in Germany for an this got a lot of play this week talk about this this NATO meeting with the secretary general with the president. Well, the, you know, as we all know, the the president has not had a good relationship with NATO. He's been complaining for for a long time since this campaign, and then he did it in one of his first trips abroad that that most of NATO members do not contribute the same amount of the United States doesn't that they should pay up basically the same. He criticized Germany as you said for not paying enough. It's not the first time he's done this. And at the same time. He also again claimed falsely that his dad was born in Germany. He's done this before he and he's just does it publicly when he was born in the Bronx, exactly. Well, it turns out that the the grant has. Grandfather was German, and he came to the US in eighteen eighty eight hundred eighty five and apparently actually he went back to Germany, and he may have come apparently with his wife who was pregnant with Fred Trump in one thousand nine hundred five and apparently, according to the Washington Post thing he was expelled from Germany in one thousand nine hundred five because he had actually emigrated illegally to the United States. So, but I don't know why the president keeps claiming that his father was from from Germany. I think it's good enough to say that your grandfather was, but anyway, the president keeps making this claim let me play this clip on NATO secretary General John Stoltenberg addressing congress on Wednesday. He praised the United States for the essential role. It's played in NATO over the last seven decades, even as President Trump complained that NATO member countries do not pay their fair share America has been the backbone of our lines. It has been phenomenal to European security and for freedom. We would not have the peaceful and prosperous Europe. We see today without the sacrifice and the commitment of the United States for your enduring support. I thank you today. Kimberly. Atkins your thoughts on this. Yeah. I mean, this is puts Republicans in the in a tough spot. I mean, we saw the standing ovations that were given during that address for these ideals this idea that America, and it's in its European allies need to stand strong together. This is what got them through tough times in history, including World War Two. And this is a strong fundamental value that we share it's very counter to the Trump doctrine from the moment, he stepped into the White House. Donald Trump has been America first, and it's caused European leaders to come and say publicly we have to defeat we can't depend on the United States anymore. And that's something that troubles. A lot of Republicans. It certainly. Troubles democrats? But the president is not a pulling away from it at all before we go to break here. Let me get in this story about Democrats running for president releasing their early fundraising numbers this week. Bernie Sanders at the top of the list top of the leaderboard eighteen million Kamala, Harris, twelve million Beto Aurore nine million and mayor Pete. But a judge seven million Kimberly wooded you read into these numbers. I think overall it's good news for Democrats. It's very early in the campaign. Hillary Clinton had forty six million dollars this point. But Hillary Clinton was also seemingly the the arrow parent the the presumptive nominee from the very beginning. Right now, it is a wide open field. And you would think that a lot of folks would be holding back waiting seeing. How this plays out before they start putting their money behind these candidates? What we're seeing is a lot of energy a lot of excitement. A lot of you know, Democrats are really. Focused on trying to unseat Donald Trump. And they're hearing a lot of good ideas. From a lot of good people. I'm sure many folks are given to more than one candidate. And you're having people come out and do really well, Jack Beatty. What do you see in these numbers? Well, Bernie Sanders, I mean in two thousand sixteen so that the average donation was twenty seven dollars this year. It's twenty eight percent of the donations under two hundred dollars most from him Giardi from people younger than thirty nine and a total of almost nine hundred thousand contributions he's reached that in forty one days. He that it took a hundred and forty six days to reach that in two thousand sixteen. This is an extraordinary record for him. Kimberly, you interviewed mayor Pete mayor Pete. But a judge this week in Boston relative, no name coming in with seven million in presidential campaign fundraising not too bad. Not too bad. I mean, I think look Democrats have a I have an apparatus where there. Are able to raise these small amount donations very quickly very easily. And we're seeing that that is being that's a big benefit to them. But you have an people to judge you have somebody who is from the midwest. He is a gay, man. He is a veteran. He is somebody who can speak in about ideas and principles in a way that isn't combative. And I think after two plus years of Donald Trump in office and the combativeness in Washington, I think a lot of people are drawn to that. And I think that's one reason he's resonating so much. But on the other hand, we have a big wide open field. We have a very diverse democratic base. It's very different from the Republican base. And that's why you're seeing other people also doing really well Senator comma Harris with her twelve million dollar pull she's been working, very hard. And and doing it in a nontraditional way, she's been focusing on black communities, even when she goes to place it places. Like New Hampshire in Iowa. She makes a point in really engaging with everybody all the communities in those states in effort to build a strong of base of support. So it's early yet. But I think that so far it's pretty good news for everyone. It may be tough newsra Joe Biden because he's going to have to find the lane now once he jumps in. We'll talk about Joe Biden after the break Fernando are last fifteen seconds. Hear your thoughts. I think too many candidates so far. I don't know. How those primary debates are gonna be. Rinks shows three hours of debate. We're discussing the top stories this week with a great panel, Kimberly Atkins, Fernando Pizarro, Jack Beatty listeners we'd love to have you in on the conversation. What's your takeaway from the White House whistle blower this week from the mayoral election in Chicago, the breach at mar-a-lago more of your calls and more news after this break? I'm Jane clayson. This is on point. We'll be right back. Now that my says has lost all its territory. What happens to the people is left behind? She chose to take us off out that Fisher study in Syria and raw and what about their children. How it ends a new series on embedded. This is on point. I'm Jane clayson listeners. We are talking about the week in the news, and you can join us. What's moving your world this week? Follow us on Twitter. Find us on Facebook where they're at on point radio. My guest today. WBU our senior Washington correspondent Kimberly Atkins Univision Washington correspondent for Nando Pizarro and on point news analyst Jack Beatty this week of former Nevada State assembly woman came forward with allegations of unwanted touching by former vice president Joe Biden at a campaign event in two thousand fourteen Lucy floor is described her allegations in an article for New York magazine in which she says, Biden took her shoulders from behind smelled her hair and kissed the back of her head Florez spoke with NPR, you know, I just all of a sudden feel his hands. And and I feel him get up really close to me. And I'm just you know, at that point processing, and I'm thinking, okay. This is really weird. But then he leans in. And then he like inhales in. And then he proceeds to plant this long kiss on the top of my head in the entire time. I'm just kind of like what is happening. So several women have come forward to say that Joe Biden's behavior has been inappropriate or unwelcome Kimberly Atkins. I mean, Joe Biden made a video this week promising to be court, quote, more respectful of people's personal space. What are you making all this? It seems Biden was struggling a little bit to understand the concerns of of these women. Yeah. And and I think that's the issue here. Right. It's the initial statement that he put out said that he didn't intend anything inappropriate. And I think he has probably been told now and we've heard folks like Nancy Pelosi say, well, it's not about your intention. It's about how you made someone else feel and particularly in professional in professional settings. I I'm not sure there's ever a great time to plan a kiss on someone. That you're not in some sort of relationship with. And I think he's understanding that it's about personal boundaries. This isn't me too in the traditional sense that we've been talking about it. This is about the fact that people have the right to the autonomy of their personal space. And that is being violated in some situations. Particularly when it comes to women, there's already a difference. They are in how women are treated in these public spaces and how men are treated in. All that's being brought to let it think. You're trying to see him try to say, okay. I understand that. Now, I will modify my behavior he can still be a tactile politician and shake hands and put his arm around people to let them know that they understand. But you know, I think kissing is probably something he should stop a lot of callers wanna get in on this point. Denise I in Attleboro, Massachusetts. Hi, Denise, welcome to one point. I thanks for taking my call. Sure. I'm really disappointed an unhappy about this situation. Joe Biden's of fabulous politician. Great man, and he may have overstepped the bounds of personal base. But you know, I a frayed that this is playing out as more than just that. And you know, just before he's expected to enter the race, and you compare him to Trump, and there's just nothing the other thing that upsets me about this is I I'm a professional who's near the end of my career. I've worked my entire life to be in rooms with men to be seen equal, and I've had more than my share of uncomfortable situations. But it's getting to the point now where I I know men that say that they're not going to have. With women anymore that they're afraid to be in the same room because they feel like everything's been blown out of proportion that we don't have balance anymore. And I wonder really wonder how we're going to get that back. Denise. Thank you, Jack Beatty. What you speak to that? What we've heard that on on our program callers have have raised that fear that sense that the culture is changing to radically. But surely there was a correction due. I mean patriarchy is millennia old and Joe Biden has behaved like an old time patriarch that is he's he's Kimberley said he's undercut women professional women in in moments of professional enactment. He's he's undercut their dignities. He's lowered them through these gestures. And now he said, I didn't mean I meant to support them, but they were undermining and you know, the gestures fit into a pattern there. They're sort of the physical correlates and worse than that really of of his of his gaffes of his verbal incontinence. The which the worst most recently was his claim that it's his boast. I will I I wor- I take Donald Trump behind the highschool Jimin win of a fight. And this was about ironically. Enough Trump's treatment of women. So Joe Biden has been a terrible candidate in the past because of these verbal gaffes. And now we see that there's a pole physical side of Joe Biden's as your will misbehavior. It's not to downplay the allegation, but you know, Kimberly Atkins, Al point to Stephanie Carter the wife of former Defense Secretary ash Carter coming to Biden's defense. Yeah. I guess some people see different ways and in a photograph of her was meant to sort of embody this idea that that Joe Biden is to Hansie and she wanted to make clear that she felt supported in that moment and not violated. But look, I think I think when you have a different there's a difference between to the callers concern, there's a difference between engaging women as equals and being more likely to invade their space. I think most men probably don't nuzzle or kiss other men in a room. It's it's incumbent upon men to know the difference between that the answer isn't a. Voiding women. The answer is learning how to treat them equally and with respect without violating their personal space. Let's go to juniper in Saint Petersburg, Florida high. Juniper how do you see this issue that Joe Biden issue? Hi. I completely agree. It's with what Kimbler was saying. I wouldn't think that men would kiss other men in another room and invade their space. I think that you know, I don't think people's careers per se should be ruined. But I think that these types of behaviors need to be known, and I don't think that they need to be tolerated. Because toleration is what got us here in the first place. And I think change is, you know, and at least acknowledging the problems that and that are arising is the way to go about it like, I don't I'm twenty years old. I don't wanna live in a world where I'm not seeing equally and I'm not treated as that. And I I I don't think that we need to just sit down and be quiet and not say anything because that was how it was before. And that's not the world. I wanna live in juniper. Thank you. Let's one more calling here. Edith in canton. Connecticut hiatus you're on the air. Hi. Hi. Hi. I think for. Came out at a very critical time just went Joe Biden is the back to announce on or not announce his running for presidency. I am all against any touching or harassment or anything that demeans a woman, but it's Joe Biden's nature. It seems to do what he did for years to. And I also look at those women today who stand by him who might have been hugged or touched on the shoulder and feel it was just his way of encouraging them at the moment. The thank you. I'm going to jump in. And I'm gonna ask for Nando Pizarro to its point to all of our caller's point for natto. How do you see this? And and might this all impact Joe Biden's decision to enter the race. Which most people think he clearly will. Well, I think some of these comments illustrate that the that Biden has a political problem here. I think. This is somewhat problematic for him. This is not exactly the way he would like the preamble of his official or formal launch of a campaign. I think obviously the fact that he has had to first of all his through statements, maybe his up future campaign that not handle this very well ended up having this video. And let's of course, let's not forget that the president President Trump who bragged about touching women during the campaign has actually used this politically as well making fun of Joe Biden in a posting video of Biden speaking and apologizing in some way, while touching himself. And anyway, I do think that this is not exactly the best news that Joe Biden wanted right before he's about to to launch a formal campaign. Will it be will he be able to overcome this and the future and his enormous popularity will make up for this? We'll see. But I think obviously this was not the ideal environment. Edith collars. Thank you very much. Let me move on here to the White House whistle blower this week the security specialist. Chris Newbold who told congress that at least twenty five officials were granted security clearances despite quote, disqualifying issues, including concerns about foreign influence conflict of interest drug use criminal conduct conduct. Apparently this woman tried for a year to raise these issues Kimberly Atkins. What did you make of this story this week? Yeah. It sort of brings to light this issue about security clearances again. And the reason that we have them in and what could happen when when those standards, of course, the president of the United States has every right to grant security clearance to whomever, he pleases that Laura law but doing so doesn't necessarily make it a good idea. The reason that we have these requirements is to prevent foreign entities or others to use someone's information about someone to try. Use or their mental health or their financial status in order to exert pressure on them, exert them to do something that is not in the national interest. And when you're in Washington and lots of people hold different levels of security clearances, it also encouraged courage them to continue to live their life in a way that doesn't put those clearances in jeopardy. They don't take bad financial decisions, and they seek help or care if they do have drug or mental health issues, not they're not necessarily disqualify. But it's to keep people on the up and up in it's to keep them free of potential influence when you have folks like Jared Kushner, according to the report who did not make these who did not meet these qualifications and were given clearances. Anyway, that's a problem in this whistle blower was bringing that too late for nana's RO Tricia Newbold, this whistle blower has a form of dwarfism and in her testimony. She said that her supervisor's in an act of retaliation would move files to a shelf beyond her reach after she complained about these decisions to grant. The security clearances over the objections of senior staffers. What what did you make of the store this week? Josh she said that she felt humiliated in this testimony that she she had as Kimbler saying to the house oversight and reform committee. You know, she had told her bosses that clearances were quote, an adjudicated were not adjudicate in the best interests of national security. And then obviously, she she she face retaliation for this. And obviously, she she's not very tall. Because of this of this form of dwarfism that he that she that she suffers an of obviously, she, you know, the fact that she they moved the file way above her reach was was something that really really humiliated, you know, in front of her colleagues well from security clearances to security at mar-a-lago the president's Florida resort on Saturday. A woman was arrested there she had to Chinese passports, four cell phones and a thumb drive. With computer mala wear. Yesterday in a response to the arrest. President Trump was asked if he was concerned about the Chinese conducting espionage against the United States by spying on him at mar-a-lago. Here's what he said. No, I'm not concerned. I have Weaver. Good control. We have extremely good. And it's getting better and cyber frankly what we're doing with cyber his is a story of self. No. I think that was just a fluke situation, Kimberly. Atkins a fluke. No, we have seen this president do things like using unsecure cell phone despite being told not to seen him conduct business in the dining room at mar-a-lago that could be overheard by just about anyone it seems this president does not really fully understand. Why past presidents have been initially told not to use a cell phone of President Obama had to have a particular one built with all of this security inside for him to be able to use that or I kids to be able to use ipads. This is serious business. And it seems that the president not being. -cerned about it as a problem. Let me get a collar in quickly on this point Lee from fort mill South Carolina, highly quickly, you're on the air. Yeah. Hi, my concern. Is that President Trump is pro he is profiting personally from people going tomorrow Lago. Don't sell memberships to Camp, David if you're gonna call it a presidential compound, and it needs to be secure, and he has purposely undercut put service at every point to make it publicly because some will not accountable. He has no concern for national security, and obviously not concerned that he might be monitored or taped Lee. Thank you. Thank you very much. I wanna get to the jobs numbers. They are out today and the good the unemployment rate holding steady at three point eight percent. Just above a forty nine year, low employers created one hundred ninety six thousand jobs in March. That's more than expected, Jack Beatty. These numbers relieve any concern that the economy is cooling in any way. Yes. And they're good news for the president. We'll have to see how that holds up the forecasts are not encouraging forecasts from prognosticators and even the Federal Reserve for growth that's a good deal lower than the president wants for his reelection. But, but we'll just have to say at a couple of stories this week the man accused of killing rapper nipsy hustle was charged with two counts of attempted murder. Just in President Trump says he will not attend the White House correspondents dinner says it's too negative. Also, Lauren Lightfoot was elected mayor of Chicago this week. She's the first black woman to lead Chicago. She's also the city's first openly gay mayor here she is telling supporters she overcame the odds when we started this journey eleven months ago, nobody gave us much of a chance. We're up against powerful interest a powerful machine and a powerful mayor. But I remembered something Martin Luther King said when I was very young faith. He said his taking the first step when you can't see the staircase big store in Chicago this week, Kimberly. It is I mean, it's it's a change. It's a new beginning in Chicago is a city that faces a lot of serious issues that the mayor is going to have to tackle. But for a moment they can declare a victory and breaking some barriers there for none of Perot about ten seconds left here. Good recap of the week that's past. What are you looking forward? What what do you see in the week ahead? Oh my God. We'll see what happens with this border issue. I think that's keeping us busy certainly to see what you know, what the president will do, and it will change his mind again on so many other topics finance desire of Univision. We appreciate your time today and your expertise. Thank you Fanego. Aren't you Kimberly Atkins WBZ, our senior Washington correspondent, so great to have you an in the studio has to be here when you come in and Jack Beatty always great to have you have a good weekend. 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July 14 - Sen. Bernie Sanders, Sen. Ron Johnson, Megan Rapinoe
"This Sunday the Democratic presidential race that the American we believe we have a chance to this and I gotTA plans are brand new N._B._C.. News Wall Street Journal poll. WHO's aw WHO's down? I look at the candidates fair against President trump. We have a president who is undermining democracy Li- guess this morning Senator Bernie Sanders Vermont plus those immigration rates start art today we take those people out and we'd take them out very legally as Democrats and Republicans argue over how to handle the border crisis. What will we say to this generation of children in parents? We imprisoned for seeking safety. We should it'd be the ones begging for forgiveness. We do not get anywhere by blaming the with doing their best to help these people. I'll talk to Republican Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and America's newest hero better them more less. We gotta listen more in Talk. Less Megan re Pino joins me to talk about the U._S.. Women's World Cup win her fight for equal pay and why she won't go to the White House to celebrate joining me for are insight and analysis on N._B._C. News chief White House correspondent Halley Jackson former Republican Congressman Carlos Carello of Florida former Democratic Senator Claire mccaskill of Missouri and Tim Alberta chief political correspondent for politico. Oh magazine welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press N._B._C.. News longest running show and television history. This is a special edition of meet the Press Chuck Top <hes> good Sunday morning. We're getting our first clear. Look at where the race for the Democratic presidential nomination actually stands and where the candidates stand against president trump here are are. I had to head matchups of the twenty twenty race in our new N._B._C.. News Wall Street Journal registered voters. We have Joe Biden leading president trump fifty one forty two. It's a healthy nine point edge outside the margin Bernie Sanders also with a healthy lead sitting at fifty percent to president trump's forty-three then going on down the Line Elizabeth Warren up five but under fifty forty eight forty three Nkala Harrison essentially tied with Mr Trump holding one point edge forty five to forty four and as you can see there while the democratic numbers do change depending on the cannon president trump's numbers essentially match his job approval rating which in this poll is right in line with where he's been at forty five percent in the democratic grace for the nomination. Joe Biden is still on top despite a shaky debate performance followed by a surging Elizabeth Warren Kamala Harris Bernie Sanders and peop- Buddha Jude's round out the top tier and yes ladies and gentlemen that is your top tier sorry to everybody else these days looking at the rest of the field look at this injury Yang Beto <unk> even reached two percent and there's a real prospect that the remaining one percenters and lower than that seventeen of them won't even qualify for the third debate in September and we'll be forced out of the race ultimately. The real story of our poll is at two separate and distinct races are emerging on the democratic side each defined by the magnitude of change voters are looking for there's the small change get things done restoration side represented by Joe Biden and and the big change take risks side that is favors Elizabeth Warren. We need big structural change in this country. I'M GONNA why we get rid of what in fact was working and move to something totally new. It's it's a tale of two primary electric's forty one percent of Democrats in that new N._B._C. News Wall Street Journal poll seeks smaller scale policies that cost less maybe easier to pass and bring less change thirty five percent of those voters pick Joe by who elite the field among them by double digits naive. It's not some old fashioned way of doing things that no longer exists is the only way our system is supposed to work the other fifty four percent of Democrats want larger scale policies and major major change. Those Voters Pick Elizabeth Warren again by double digits. You WanNa make change. We're nothing to do this like getting one statute over here a couple of regulations over there may be a better secretary over here. It's not going to work that way while Biden does best among Moderates and Conservatives Warren holds a substantial lead among liberals now facing rival Bernie Sanders who is competing for the same voters. He's not radical ideas but we need to rallied the American people by the millions. That's what I mean. Why a political revolution the fight between electability and progressive purity is playing out as Democrats debate how to take on Donald Trump? You've been awaking awakened by Donald Trump. Let's talk about that Jesus. I don't think you by cutting up every day and talking about Donald Trump. I know this is our chance to talk about our vision for America and argue over issues like health care Medicare for all single path system. I think that we should not be scrapping obamacare. We should be building on a battle is also playing out in Congress where tensions between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in four freshmen Democrats who've called themselves the squad boiled over after they voted against stay border aid bill they argue empowers president trump Pelosi told Maureen dowd all these people have their public whatever and their twitter world but they didn't have any following listen dismiss. It was a statement of fact they were four who argued against the bill and they were the only four who voted against the bill. I'll I said was nobody followed their lead Congressman Alexandria Cossio Cortez fired back criticizing Pelosi's singling out of newly elected women of color the given these divides can any one democrat build coalition bridging the distance between the parties to groups voters Comma Harris among others trying criticizing Biden and warn though not by name. I'm GonNa tell you that's why I'm not turning out plans like a factory because it is really important to me that any plan that I'm prepared to to implement is actually actually doable and join me now presidential candidate Bernie Sanders the independent senator from Vermont running as a Democrat for this campaign Senator Sanders Welcome back to meet the press sir good to be with you. You know it's fascinating at our poll I think about your candidacy from two thousand fifteen dean and you sort of your come from nowhere insurgent candidacy and here you have you have changed the Democratic Party more a majority of Democrats one big SUBSIDIV transformational change. How frustrating Beijing is it to you that right now among those voters they're picking Elizabeth Warren Right now and not you well? That's in your poll the poll to the came out and the last week or two which had us in a strong second-place and let me tell you chuck. Let me tell you why we are going to window Democratic nomination and we're going to beat Donald Trump and that is the working class of this country is sick and tired of working longer hours for low wages they sick and tired of three people in America owning more wealth than the bottom half of America Mirka sick and tired a fifty percent of American workers living paycheck to paycheck and being the only major country on earth not to guarantee healthcare to people that is why we're GonNa win this election well as I was saying. I feel like message wise. You're winning the argument voter wise. You still have a ways to go. You know why you and not Elizabeth Warren. What would you say to those Democrats at one of these transformational change because they look to of you and they say yes there is a few differences here there but they're both advocating that big transformational change Elizabeth is a good friend of mine? All I can say is the following what people understand is that for decades now out there have been great speeches great legislation great plans about how to move the working class of this country and yet in the last thirty years unbelievably the top one percent has seen a twenty one percent increase to twenty one trillion dollar increase in their wealth while the bottom half have fallen even further behind in other words what we need in this country is a mass movement of millions of people which I am prepared to lead as president to take on Wall Street to take on the drug companies or ripping us off every single day to take on the insurance companies to take on the fossil fuel industry which is literally destroying this planet. What we need is a political revolution and I think I am the only we'll be candidate who has been clear about that? Now has the capability of doing that in the feeding Donald Trump in the process. You're getting a lot of advice these days from a lot of friends the New York Times story earlier. This week was filled with a lot of it. I want to show you an excerpt a deeper challenge confronting his aides and supporters after nearly four decades of running and usually winning iconoclastic campaigns on his own terms he is deeply reluctant to change his approach and you've had a lot of friendly. These are people very much supportive of you who are saying it sounds like two thousand sixteen. You have to rejig things a little bit. Oh be more personable. What how are you accepting this advice? Well look to things people say Birdie. You know you're repetitious. Petitions you are talking about the rich getting Richard Forty million people living in poverty. You were talking about so many old people who cannot afford them medicine and so forth and so you know what chuck here's a promise I will make you when the poor we'll get richer and the rich Paul when all of people have healthcare is the right but we are leading the world in the fight against climate change in what I will change what I am saying so it's not me that's being repetitious. It is what is going going on in society continues to favor of the people who have the wealth and the power while all over this country people are working two or three jobs and I understand that I keep hammering away that issue because I believe that in the wealthiest country in the history of the world we don't need forty five million people struggling with student debt. Kids can't afford to go to college. Those are the issues I will continue to talk about and those of the issues will win on. I'm very curious if you have of what you make of what's happening in the House of Representatives on the Democratic side right because it does feel a bit like it's sort of insider outsider Alexandria Cossio Cortez who was a volunteer in your campaign. She was very upset with Nancy Pelosi and she said when these comments for started I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive blanket more of an arm's distance in order to protect more moderate members which I understood but the persistent singling out it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color. Is this part of this bigger disruption that you helped lead for years ago where the party is just having growing pains or what do you make of this dispute chuck. This is what I think I think it goes without saying that the future of our country in the future of the Democratic Party rest with young people people and I'm very proud by the way in virtually every poll that I have seen we a winning people under forty five fifty years of age and young you do all of votes in our poll as well yeah okay and what Alexandria and and other young women and women of color saying we have got to reach out young people we've cut the he'll the pain of the working class of this country and that is causing some political disruption within the leadership of the Democratic while they let me give you. One example where I have very concerned I have helped lead the effort to expand community health centers in this country and right now there's legislation in the House the Democratic House to cut in real inflation accounting for dollars community health at this twenty percent unacceptable acceptable so it's I support you know Alexandria's and the other women's desire to bring more people especially young people working class people into the Democratic Party. That is the future of the Democratic Acre being tough on them. I think a little bit I think you got you cannot ignore the young people of this country who are passionate about economic and racial and social and environmental justice. You gotTA bring them in not alienate them. I'm curious. You're one of seven senators running. We've got this crisis at the border sustainable conditions at now. Even Republicans are saying that they think these conditions need to change. What could you guys do right now in the Senate? What do you think you could do? Oh now in the Senate I I know you have plans to do something if you're elected president but you guys what do you plan on doing in the Senate and the next couple of weeks well. The immediate crisis is that we cannot be separating children from their parents parents. You cannot be having unsanitary disgraceful conditions in which women and children and people are living. This is the wealthiest country on earth. We can make sure that if people travel a thousand miles with their children wildfire awaiting the asylum proceedings they are treated with respect and dignity and as human beings. Is there something more though that you could do band together almost as a presidential caucus and try to demand some of these changes so it seems as if there's a lot of rhetoric what could you guys bring on the campaign trail we could raise consciousness about this issue and understand that desperate people were fleeing violence in Honduras and other countries with their little children. These are not criminals. These are desperate. People who deserve to have an asylum process into the be if possible not detain that all go with their relatives and friends while awaiting the proceedings but at the end ended the day chuck we have got to do at the American people want and that is comprehensive immigration reform a path towards citizenship for eleven million undocumented. We need to provide immediate legal status for the one point eight million people in the DACA program and humane. What a policy that is really what we have to do nation senators senators? I'M GONNA leave it there for now. Thanks for coming out and sharing your views and stay safe on the trail. Okay thank you thank you now joining me from the other side of the aisle in the United States Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. He's chairman of the Homeland Security Committee Senator Johnson Welcome back to the show Sir Warning Chuck. Let me start with the vice president's visit with some Senate Republicans down to a couple of centers. They're one of them. The Pool reporter traveling with the vice president described horrendous render stench when they walked into the facility. The vice president himself said this was tough. We've heard a lot more Republicans acknowledged. The conditions here and these facilities are just unsustainable okay. Where do we go from here? Are you comfortable with this situation. Oh absolutely not which is why was supporting the emergency funding measure for months before Democrats finally decided to cooperate and granted the four point six billion dollars dollars or vote for the four point six billion dollars and funding so that's just a first step chuck. The problem is the uncontrolled the overwhelming flow of people coming in this country. Illegally in May alone is forty six hundred people per day came down a little bit in June into about thirty five hundred people today but on average spend over twenty eight hundred people per day for this fiscal year so again with the context since two thousand fourteen that was the humanitarian crisis year when that President Obama called humanitarian in crisis when one hundred twenty thousand people came this country illegally either unaccompanied child but primarily as part of a family since two thousand fourteen the last five years nine months one million eight hundred one million eighty six thousand people have come in as unaccompanied child or primarily as a family unit have been apprehended one million eight hundred one million eighty six thousand people about half of those who've come in in the last nine months alone so it's overwhelming our system and and the goal of our policy should be reduced that flow turn it into a legal process. There's a number of things we can do. One of the things we have dues. We have to raise that initial bar in terms of claiming asylum hopefully setup centers in Guatemala in Central America so people can claim refugee status but this is completely out of control well senator. There seems to be that enforcement. There's an argument now that the extra enforcement measures get tough measures. The president is tried is actually actually encouraging more migration. Let me read you a clip here from Ricardo Salinas. He writes this. The people of Central America are left with a stark choice endure growing instability poverty and intensifying violence as part of the failed drug war or flee now before the border is closed completely completely the rapidly rising numbers of families and unaccompanied minors who are willing to risk their lives to make the perilous journey north even knowing that detention and separation await speak of the increasing desperation. I mean this seems to be. We're talking about the border when the real core of the problem. We're doing nothing about if anything the president took money away from Central America first of all Chuck Yeah there is some short-term detention but we are in full catch and release. I mean people aren't being detained for much more than most probably a couple of weeks so we are in full catch-and-release. There's a survey done by the Association of Research and Social Studies in Guatemala said that he third of Guatemalans intended to migrate to the United States. That's almost six million people Gallup poll short one hundred fifty eight million people worldwide forty eighteen million people in central in Latin America want to migrate to the United States. We can't take all commerce. We have legal system primarily designed toward working with our economy to get people in here to work so we can continue to story Konami this completely out of control so again. The goal of our policy should be to reduce the flow people coming in this country illegally in turn that into legal flow. I understand that but you don't believe coming up with some sort of better. A Marshall Plan for Central Chill America might actually be the best way to decrease the flow well. That is a very long term solution. You have R._N._C.'s Manfred. Drugs is given rising drug cartels done great harm to the Public Institutions Essential Americans. There's no doubt about it. We bear responsibility disability. That's not GonNa fix this problem in the here now anytime soon. I certainly want see money flow to make sure that we can save your return people. I'm working with the Democrat colleagues on pilot program called operation safe return where we can rapidly and more accurately cooney determine those families that clearly don't have val silom claimed in the majority of them don't have val asylum claim and safely return them to Central America that will require some years funding as well. There are also humanitarian organizations are willing to facilitate that but we have to have that consequence when Michael Chertoff two thousand five faced his surge of Brazilians set a process of expedited removal reduce the flow by ninety percent in sixty days. That's has to be our first step is reduced the flow and then we're long-term with central the American to improve the conditions down. They'RE GONNA turn to a little bit of politics as a book out called American carnage by Tim Alberta and there's some interesting Paul Ryan Quotes Being Wisconsin Guy Paul Ryan Guy. I'm curious if your reaction here's the exit for a long long stretch. The Two Thousand Sixteen Campaign Paul Ryan refused to accept trump's takeover the G._O._P.. He traversed the stages of grief denial. No way trump can win anger. I called him a racist bargaining the powerpoint slides and depression this is fatal. He told Ryan spree this before finally coming terms with it. This resistance was grounded in basic belief that the Republican Party was still as party looking back. Ryan says he should have known better. You Know Wisconsin Ryan you know trump. What do you make of this dispute in this personal is this misread of where the party is? And where do you fit for. I consider Paul Ryan friend. I've got a good working relationship the President I've always abided by the Ronald Reagan commandment. I think we do need you realize Republicans Tokens Conservatives the president trump does socialism president also some Democratic Left. We need to hang together here so I think we've accomplished a lot of things the last two years we've stopped any in the regulatory burden who have more competitive tax system. That's Redo. That's produced more more than three percent growth much ten times higher business investment. That's GONNA grow our economy in the future so again from my standpoint. I'd like everybody to get along because we need to preserve this country that this marvel the American economy and model of freedom. Do you think President President Trump's criticism of Speaker Ryan and his speakership is warranted well again. I I would prefer that we all understand that the opponent in this political struggle are Democrats and they're growing socialism in what they would turn America into so we need to hang together I for nobody criticize each other on our side all right Senator Ron Johnson Republican from Wisconsin. I'M GONNA leave it there extra coming on sharing your views much appreciate it every day. When we come back those immigration rates starting today the debate over the crisis at the board of the panelists next and later the CO captain of the U._S. Women's National Soccer Team Meghan Regina Hi? It's Katy Tur- WanNa keep up with M._S._N._B._C. While you're on the go subscribe to the M._S._N._B._C. daily newsletter. You'll get the best of what you've missed. During this unprecedented era of news text M._S._N._B._C. to six six eight six six to subscribe welcome back panelists here former Republican Congressman Carlos Kabila a Florida former Democratic senator Claire mccaskill Missouri N._B._C. News chief White House correspondent Wally Jackson and Tim Alberta the cheap political correspondent Politico magazine on author of the book already referenced once American-carnage or buy it now ten welcome Com congratulations on the book. Let me start before we get to some of that in intramural politics and Republican Party and we'll start with the ice rates that are happening today Halley. Here's what a couple of mayors I have said. Even the president said mayors are welcoming this. Here's a couple the mayors who say not so much but this fear mongering and making immigrants scapegoats and really disrupting families who are just here trying to live their life. That's not who we are or should be as Americans. There's anxiety that's being created not just in our immigrant community but with anyone who has passion compassionate concern for human beings and of course the president is sort of bragging about these rates is what he said about it. The word gets OUTTA gets out it starts on Sunday and they're gonNA take people out and they're going to bring back to their countries or they're gonNA take criminals out. Put them in prison or put them in prison. In the country's came from we're focused Sousse on criminals as much as we can before we do anything. This is what if you cared about this. Why would you tell people because the president likes talking about this? He knows a place with his base and he's got twenty twenty on his mind. Listen Q. The president's tweets to and he starts going after democratic mayors for talking negatively about his ice rates but I can tell you there are people inside this administration who feel this has been grossly mismanaged that the president is way out over skis on this trying to rile up people who support him and that's not backed up by what these ice rates ultimately when they happen will turn out to be and it's a concern I think for people in the White House Tim Immigration in Your Book Chronic. Let me there it is probably the greatest sort of Fisher point inside the Republican Party and why trump is president. President and Helen talked about this before to use a basketball term. The president really sees immigration. Illegal immigration is a high percentage shot. It's a slam dunk for him with his base. The problem is that we know for in fact that there were a lot of suburban traditional upscale Republicans who voted for trump in two thousand sixteen who voted for a Democrat in two thousand eighteen and a lot of them did view immigration as that Fisher point that begins to sort of split the traditional Republican suburban upscale college-educated Republican from that more urban rural working class conservative Republican and the president is playing with fire here because well he may rile up his folks while he may mobilized that true believer base he runs a real risk of alienating that broader coalition and he's going to need to win reelection action Carlos you represented part of the county that is part of that broader coalition. The President Needs Cuban-americans Venezuelan Americans Colombian Americans in South Florida. At what point did they not like this raid business yeah there as a breaking point in south Florida's different a lot of the Hispanic vote there looks outside the United States to foreign policy and that kind of determines their votes however there is a sense of solidarity in the Hispanic community and if you pushed too far on some of these enforcement policies than you do start losing using some of those other Hispanics weren't directly impacted by them but who certainly feel bad for those families the individuals that are going to be hurt by this and the sad part is this is not the solution the solution to this is to reform our immigration lost to fix the entire system. This is a political stunt quite frankly because if you wanted to conduct effective raids. Why would you announce it? Everyone's hiding now. It's also had a character for this president who for every law enforcement action or at this taken loves to talk about the element of surprise right and loves to talk about how well I'm not gonNA preview what we're going to do because then you'll know what's happening in this instance. He did the opposite but Claire Look Immigration. Issue is probably one of the reasons you lost and Missouri because of how we spoke to Missouri but I want you to Wrexham here rob the Heritage Foundation Robinson Cox wrote the following so the open borders enthusiast Nita Rethink America's not a perfect nation but it is done pretty well by its immigrants over the past couple of one hundred years. Everyone is welcome provided you come here legally work hard and stick to the rules. It's not the pithiest yard sign. It is however still more sustainable ethos for a nation. How did Democrats walk that line? I think they've got to be respectful of the fact that most Americans maybe not a the far left segment of the Democratic Party but most Americans want there to be a process that's fair and legal and they do not like the idea that people can come because if you open the borders than anybody can come and I think that what's interesting about this raid is they are supposedly going after criminals in other words people who've committed felonies. There's plenty any of people who've come here illegally that have committed felonies that they could be busy with you never announced that ahead of time because if somebody's committed a felony they know how to hide so the notion that he's trying to throw out this idea they're going after criminals as Z.. Announces they're doing it just shows. He's sending a secret message to his base that he thinks all of them are criminals is not what America thinks and how. I think there's a competency question. I got ahead because here we have. We have an acting homeland security who used to be who who used used to be the Border Patrol Commissioner. There's an acting border patrol commissioner who used to be the acting ice director. The current acting is director. It's the second time he's been the acting ice director. That's just V._H._S.. I'M GONNA put up a squirrel here of all the acting that we have here. It's going to take awhile. Wow so we can start talking. Well people see here Labor to Fa- I mean these aren't small agencies this competency question the president doesn't mind it though charming. He likes he thinks and based on my reporting the president truly believes that he has more flexibility when he has and he said publicly late to he has more flexibility when he has all these acting positions in place he has a new acting position obviously with the Labor Secretary who just stepped down what two days ago but the bigger issue and when I talked to folks in and around the White House it's not necessarily Homeland Security Chuck. It's not necessarily D._H._S.. It's the Defense Department apartment who is still without a permanent defense secretary that is a concern for the president allies from people who support him in and around Washington here and really thumbing the nose at the constitution. These people are supposed to be confirmed that are leading these agencies. That's the way our founding fathers wrote to council solution. I'm so sick of some in your party Carlos waving the Constitution when Democrats in office and it completely ignoring the constitution when a Republicans and supported remember that even when there was not this long list of acting things even in the earliest days of the administration when when they rolled out the so-called Muslim ban there was no coordination between any of these departments the the White House Com shop had not given talking points to anybody even defend this when the president was over at the Pentagon signing the executive order so even when they were fully staffed with the team. This was still really messy so now when you get down to the third string it's going to be worse and member that eighteen not everybody thought that was eighteen right and fairness all right coach one one more by just briefly the other side of what Tim said because immigration is going to be a top issue in twenty twenty if the President Can Bait Democrats into saying that the status close acceptable that we should have open borders or that like some are saying that we should offer benefits and all sorts of a public welfare benefits to those that are coming that could cost Democrats as well. I think there's potential peril for them there as well we'll pause it here. When we come back? We're all pretty excited about our next guest pink hair purple hair and we have tattoos dreadlocks we got white girls girls and everything in between the story of the championship took your women's national soccer team Mega Burkina joins me next. This is my charge to everyone. We have to be better. We have to love more hate less. We gotTA <hes> listen more in talk less. We gotta know that this is everybody's responsibility. Welcome back that was Meghan. Rufino who right now is bigger than Lebron bigger than Brady bigger than just about anyone in the sports world. Maybe beyond Pino of course is the CO captain and star the U._S.. Women's national soccer team which just when the World Cup again but she's about much more than soccer Pino is made news both for her fight for equal pay for women's soccer players and for a refusal to celebrate or teams victory with President Trump at the White House and we are very happy to have making repeated join us this morning beano welcome to meet the press. Thank you thank you for having me on <hes> so a longtime boxing reporter who's now a baseball announcer. Charlie Steiner said to me he viewed you as a modern day Ali and here's what sports illustrated wrote their elements elements of a Modern Day Ali Muhammad Ali the boxer in re Pinos Co Mingling of sports and social activists and say nothing of our ability to turn the media attention even when negative in certain circles to her advantage. What do you make the comparisons? That's very flattering. I don't know if I'm if I'm Ali but I'm happy to be. The biggest ally can't holly what what opportunity do you see here. Do you see it's like okay. We got the attention. I am going to make these points. I'm GONNA make these. I ain't GonNa do this activism. I think the opportunity is in everyone's exhaustion of the fighting and the negative and our team has managed to make people proud again to capture people's interest and make them. I want to do something I think people are asking the question. How can we rally around this team and in that really what the team stands for whether it's equal pay or racial equality or l._G._B._T._Q.? Rights I think we've just managed to give people hope doc and with that now we need to do the next step which system to actually take the progress that let me go specifics with equal pay I I. I'm sort of surprised here that the corporate communities that support the U._S. talker federation have been so slow to see this have been so slow to fill the gap. I know proctor and gamble came out today and they've they've given an additional bonus to every member of the team but I I understand the way these deals are negotiated. Some some of this is the U._S.. Soccer Federation but are you disappointed in the way corporate. America's handled this your sponsors yeah I am. I think that we can do a lot more a lot more quickly. I think that it is a complicated issue and I think sometimes times we get in the weeds about it 'cause he. The force for the trees when you know big sponsors can just write the check these are some of the most powerful corporations not just in sports but in the world and have so much weight that they can throw around <hes> and I think that they just need to get comfortable throwing around how much of this is you gotTa grow the game globally by the way because it does seem as the Westernize nations who've supported women's sports I yes and that and that is perhaps made folks in the corporate community think oh there's not enough. No I think that the global aspect is huge even just in the last three or four years to see the way that other federations have succeeded <hes> with their teams on the field. They've thrown money behind them and shocker. Those teams hurt doing better. It's good that it was harder time right. No no fed to the other teams but it was a little bit harder. That's good for the game exactly it's great for the game and I think it allows us to put so much more pressure on as well to mandate that these federations is have the money to pay their programs and to mandate that FIFA and to push them really to do more. You were talking about the beginning that you see an opportunity here to to to preach a message of unity. I think the hardest conundrum that a lot of us are in an American politics whether it's those of us the care about these institutions in this town or otherwise is that how do you preach unity and at the same time you don't want to be near President trump and I get that how do you do both. I'm figuring that out the day <hes> I think you inspire people of until a trump supporter who loves watching him. I wish you'd go to the White House yeah. I think that I would try to share our message. Do you believe that people are created equal to you believe that equal pay should be mandated. Do you believe that everyone should have health care. Do you believe that we should treat everyone with respect. I think those are the basics of what we're talking about and I understand people feel upset or uncomfortable table. There's <hes> I think some feelings of disrespect about the anthem protests or things that I've said in the past but ultimately I think I am here open and honest. I've admitted mistakes I will continue to do that. I'll continue to be vulnerable and be honest and be open and want to have that conversation because I think trump's message excludes people that look like me and that army of course but it explodes excludes a lot of people on his base as well and I think that he's trying to divide so he can conquer not unite so we can all conquer conquer anything he could do to change your mind about visit to the White House. There's like fifty policy issues that we can reverse get going. I'm unit. Would it would take a tremendous amount. I think I'm I understand that that progresses sometimes slow and I'll never close any door all the way but I think it would take more than than trump is willing to do. What are you going to do next? You want to keep playing. Are you going to get us one more World Cup and would you at all entertain professionalizing social activism. Perhaps running for office or something else. I do continue to keep playing. I'm not sure I'm calling for office. There's no qualifications for office. Yeah that's true up to forty before I guess there was you know what I'm GonNA fight for equal pay every day for myself for my team and for every single person out there man woman immigrant U._S. citizen person of color whatever it may be equal pay. As the Great Serena Williams said until I'm in my grave tell me what you were about eleven or twelve. When Brandy chastain was that moment of guess what girls can go crazy and celebrate? What do you hope the twelve year old girl bunch of them are in the audience? Today thinks about twenty years from now in remembering you and what you gave to the sport. I hope the same thing I felt I think in that moment it was just an incredible the explosion of joy it was so bright old so off the cuff. It was just everything that you want from sports. You want just those moments that are totally indescribable. I hope they feel inspired that they can do that. They can take on more you're that they're worth every penny and more and that they have fun and with a smile doing well. You have fun. You always have a small on your face that is that it's been. It's been great menu. You have a lot of humility. I have to say that Pino luck to you. Thank you very much room for you. Get another World Cup to always always there's five fingers exactly all right when we come back as Robert Muller gets ready to testify in ten days went to Americans think about impeachment now that's next. Let's we are backdated download time until billionaire. Tom Star jumped into the twenty twenty democratic racists week. None of the candidates have wanted to make impeaching president trump the main focus of their campaign and there may be a reason for that based on our new N._B._C. News Wall Street Journal poll. Our latest poll finds it just twenty one percent of registered voters say there's enough evidence for Congress I to begin impeachment proceedings now. That's actually a six point drop since last month when we pulled all adults by the way not just registered voters and it doesn't tank much imagination to guess which voters are driving the pro impeachment sentiment thirty nine percent of Democrats say there is enough evidence to begin impeaching president trump though that's not a majority of Democrats compared to twenty one percent of independence that of course Republicans want nothing to do with it. Eighty five percent say they want impeachment dropped altogether and like everything this year this has has to be looked through the Lens of the twenty twenty presidential race especially among those Democrats. That's where you've seen increasingly predictable divide along the ideological spectrum only thirty seven percent of Joe Biden supporters or more likely to consider themselves. Moderates are interested in starting impeachment impeachment hearings now compare that with the more progressive candidates sanders warn Harris support for impeachment among their voters is in the mid to upper forties now of course where the candidates stand in trump's impeachment won't matter if these candidates Alston from office at the ballot box but politically speaking impeachment is not likely to go away at least as a wedge issue Robert Muller will testify about his Russia investigation before the end of the month and president trump is likely to run against the idea of impeachment no matter what Speaker Nancy Pelosi closely decides to do about it in cotton when we come back the democratic divide small change for speak chain the pragmatists versus the purest policy the A._N._C. and gave us next back now with endgame in a lot of intra-party politics and divides it seems this week let's start with Pelosi see Maureen Dowd started this last week with their interview of Pelosi and then just comes brings the house down on A._M._C. Claire mccaskill in the age of trump. There's no more stupid proposition than that than that. Nancy Pelosi is the problem if her pygmalion acolytes decide decide that burning down the house is more important than deposing trump. They will be left with a racist backward president and the emotional satisfaction of their own purely yeah. I think the thing that really set me off this week. was them going after cherise David's ads this is the first native American woman elected to Congress. She is the second openly lesbian member of Congress in history. She represents Kansas from a district that has been held owned by the Republicans for cycle after cycle after cycle. She took out an incumbent Republican congressman the notion that they're going after her and playing the race card. What are they thinking? I mean what the hell are. They thinking this is a situation where I appreciate the passion and I appreciate the point of view and I appreciate the debate but we have got to come together and stay fix on the goal here and remain pragmatic about how we win and twenty twenty or the way you sound like Ron Johnson Ron Johnson said the same thing wouldn't take the bait their call us Cabello is what I say I sound like I don't say I sound like Ron John. What's interesting here? Is this are you having Bainer. Flashbacks works with the Mark Meadows Jim Jordan. Is that what we're seeing here. Although I feel like the the Freedom Caucus had more followers than does right now well for now but Nancy Pelosi sees this coming she saw John Bainer suffer she saw Paul Ryan suffer with a difficult element in their caucus and she is doing everything possible to prevent it. She knows that it's a threat to her majority makers. She knows that it could make her caucus ungovernable and that's not good for any leader so that's why we see her coming out very aggressively container and especially Ryan were more laid back about dealing with some of their more difficult numbers Tim. What advice do you think Ryan would be giving Pelosi right now? He seems to have a lot of opinions about how he failed. He basically is admitting he failed. The parallels are actually pretty uncanny between the tea party wave and ten and this sort of progressive wave in eighteen although it is worth noting Carlos has point the progressives weren't the majority makers in two thousand eighteen furthermore the Republican wave in two thousand ten was not just in Congress it was in the state legislators across the country that allowed them to consolidate power in the state houses redraw these lines and so that allowed a broader portion of the Republican base to move to the right in seeking elected office has to realize is that if it weren't for these forty Democrats picking up these suburban held traditionally Republican seats that they don't have the majority right now and that's obviously the message Flosi has been trying to push but she's going to have a hard time keeping the lid on this thing halley this directly sleep plays into where we're seeing in the presidential primary of Warrant S. It's the phrase it earlier. I think with Senator Sanders it's the insider outsider piece you're seeing that large on the twenty twenty debate stage. You're seeing it here in the House of Representatives with this pretty frightening to your point Senator Listen listen you may and Republicans may not want to talk about the intra-party back and forth guests who does WanNa talk about Donald Trump. President trump loves this please directly into what he's tweeting about this morning the way that he sees Democratic Party weakness Yes your book. Your excerpts got under his skin skin. I'm told based on my reporting. The president was tweeting about Kevin McCarthy for example and how much more he likes him but the president will focus on this issue with Alexandra Cossio Cortez with Speaker Pelosi because he thinks that it wins in points and also he hates this talk about Republicans not supporting him about the never trump movement. He hated that so much now he has an opportunity to say. Look Democrats have their own problems too. Well clear chick this up we the Democratic presidential primary is a tale of two primaries among modern conservatives which make up forty five percent of the democratic. The Primary Electric Joe Biden is up twenty points. Take a look here Kamala Harris second under the moderate conservative category at fifteen nobody else the other three and single digits now among liberals fifty three percent of the party call themselves liberals and look at this. It's worn by double digits add up Bernie Sanders. If you assume he grabbed she eventually grabs more of the sanders support or vice versa. You can see where this is going. We're GONNA have a clash at some point here between the leading moderate and the leading liberal. What does this mean for the party well? I think a lot of it is how they communicate with the members of the Democratic Party. <hes> you know wide sweeping structural change. How do you do that under our Constitution? If you only have forty nine votes in the Senate. How do you do do that? You can't do that by executive order so there is a disconnect between what is possible and what is pragmatic and I think that whoever wins are nomination needs say focused on those voters that are going to decide this election and and they're not in the Bronx is Elizabeth Warren starting to at least. Do you think she has the ability to to bridge. This divide sanders. It feels like has less of a chance I I don't know Warren keeps talking about this massive structural change and I keep thinking how does she do this right and I think voters will eventually begin thinking about that. I do think that any of the top five have the ability to begin to focus more on some of those voters that make up almost half of the Democratic primary that are so into Joe Biden right now because they see him a steady and she goes someone who will bring normalcy back to the Oval Office and that's a really important thing he has going for somewhat counter intuitive would've but in a way by is the change candidate the party that is challenging. The incumbent president has to make a compelling case for change and Joe Biden is probably the candidate on the left that is most different than Donald Trump. Joe Biden is vanilla and Vanilla would be a change to the presidency. That's an interesting point. You make this argument that okay. He won with disruption. Democrats need to be more disruptive but does the tree right. Does the country is worn seen as more disruption disruption in a weird way by that kind of I mean listen. I think that the if Elizabeth Warren ends up being the Democratic Party nominee there's going to be some frankly celebrations at least from what I'm told inside the trump campaign who believes that she is somebody who they could beat easily in some places where they need to win and there is not that sense of Joe Biden and that is evidenced by the president going after him so directly and so frequently now there are others in this race who could end up being problematic for president trump like Senator Kamala Harris who got a second look by the trump campaign by people close to the president after the debates a couple of weeks ago. We'll see what happens at the next. One Harris is the one candidate who's in third among liberals third among you know I is is she. The one that's got the porridge that everybody's comfortable we talk about coalitions in politics right and as you examine this Democratic field you look through the polling you talk to the campaigns and sort of studied the strategy of their races Harris would seem to be the one person if she can put it together if she can run a strategically coherent campaign who could build that coalition whereas you struggle to see it with some of the others Claire Megan repaint. Oh what do you think I think I think she's fantastic. I was struck how humble and it was really refreshing. I mean listen a cost of the last couple of weeks. I've admitted on these cameras and number of times. I'd love to have that vote back. I regret that vote. It was mistake of when I love it and she admits mistakes did she hasn't done it all right then everything she said hasn't been perfect but you get her heart and our hearts in the right place and she will do more to move the needle on equal pay then all of the Democratic Women in Congress if Nike hasn't filled the gap by now. I don't know they're not the Nike that I thought they were. That was a wonderful interview. I enjoyed it. I think she should go to the White House. I think she should show the country then we can talk to each other that we can meet and that we can disagree three but refusing to talk to each other refusing to meet. That's GonNa Guess what we can always talk here and we were happy to host her here so there that's all we have today Tim again congratulations the Book american-carnage go by. That's all we ever today. Thank you for watching the remember. If it's Sunday. It's meet the press.
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"It's politics with Amy Walter from the takeaway. It's going to be with you. President trump. In tweets have long been considered to be inflammatory bit as of late seems like he's doubled down on his usual bit of stoking. Division and fear. His Kickoff Rally Tulsa was a flop. He shared a video of a supporter shouting white power on twitter and a surge of us. Coronavirus cases is sweeping the country. This week we saw a record single day spike of sixty thousand cases. All the while he's been dismissive of the protest against police brutality in systemic racism while defending symbols of white supremacy at a moment of collective reckoning. Meanwhile the president's job approval rating sits at a dismal forty one percent and national polls show the president trailing Joe Biden by nine points or more. Of course, it feels like we've been here before. In Two thousand, sixteen trump was counted out plenty of times. Only, to come roaring back. Here to join me to discuss with this. All could mean for November's general election is my King Campaign Twenty Twenty reporting fellow at politico. David Nakimora White House reporter for the Washington Post and Clare Malone senior political writer at five thirty eight. Things are not looking good for the for the president and you I mean you outlined the the real nuts and bolts of it, which is that it's not just that he's doing poorly and national averages. He's doing poorly in these key swing states, and he's doing poorly with some of the constituencies that he needs to win. I think some of this is trump's really poor performance leadership wise during the pandemic, but I also think we have to chalk it up to the fact that Joe Biden. Has Nominated Joe Biden and not say a Bernie Sanders who might have scared some of those older white suburbanites who are now upset with trump and seeking refuge with Joe Biden, who sort of a conventional familiar face to them. And you know I. Think the fact that that Biden remains not super high on the on the headlines He's. He's he's playing things well I mean it's certainly an unconventional, an odd race I get lots of. Press Pool report from the Biden campaign, and they're mostly resume calls, which is funny. But such is the nature of twenty twenty campaigning, so I think you know yes, the president will will probably recover somewhat in the poll numbers you know things often revert to the mean, but it is it is. It is quite a hole to dig himself out of and especially if we have a second wave in the fall of this and. I think trump is and a lot of trouble. David I want to talk about then how the president and his campaign are trying to maybe dig themselves out of this whole after his July four speech at Mount Rushmore you wrote that. Quote the US has already reeling with deep anxiety over the devastating public health and economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic, and is also facing a cultural reckoning over the residue of its racially segregated passed. So, what is campaign staff thinking about the ways in which the president continues to lean in. On this cultural reckoning, and does it matter to the president? WHAT HIS CAMPAIGN STAFF! That's the big question every time because it often does not matter to the president. What others think we just saw the other day? The president in the in the rose, garden doing a news conference about the new US Mexico Canada trade deal with the Mexican president. That's a reminder of the kind of campaign. They initially thought they'd be able to run. which was about the economic growth? Growth Under this administration the president had really felt that going into the year that he was in a strong position, but now of course the with the virus and these protests as well some other news that's come out about the president foreign policy. It's really been a problem. You have books coming out right now. About from his niece from John Bolton. That really puncture the president's. Message as well and they can't seem to write that and what you've seen the president deciding that he doesn't WanNA fight the battle over corona virus. He's pushing to reopen as much as he can to try to juice the economy, of course try to get people feeling more confident, but people do don't and the s evidence of that. That was his own rally also retried to kick off again. These public rallies which he really feels good about like. Do you know and get sort of energized by his his crowd as base we we all know saw. The arena was just partially full about a third full, even though the campaign said up to a million people requested online free tickets. And that was an embarrassment. So now what you're seeing from the president is decided. I have to fight what where I feel most comfortable, which is as cultural war, even as as you see his staff. Try to get him not to talk about certain really. Touchy Subjects, obviously like the the the statues of the confederate generals in the confederate flag president. You know he's people said Oh. He stuck to the script and didn't mention those things in these speeches on July third and July. Fourth, which themselves were still very divisive in dark speeches, warning of all sorts of. Leftists! Marxists, that threats to the country He didn't mention confederate. Symbolism directly, but then of course in a tweet just a day or two later he did, and we are seeing now. Is that the? President seems to be tied to take over his campaign once again on it on his own. You're seeing a replay of twenty eighteen where he's giving a lot of. Interviews where he feels, he's as best. Spokesman two different news outlets conservative outlets to others He's made some changes to his campaign staff, a deputy White House spokesman. We really trusts over to the campaign, and he is hoping that he can write this, but you're seeing the campaign really struggling They had talked about expanding the electoral map now. You're seeing them to spend offensively in red states including Georgia place like Arizona which they had. Previously and that says something about where they are right now, so the president is usually his own top advisor. The I think that that's what you're gonNA see. Not Changing anytime in. My. Let's talk a little bit more about this Fourth of July speech, and then as David pointed out you know, he goes back to his greatest hits, and wants to be the candidate of law and order, and some of that worked for him pretty well in two thousand sixteen, right, he was the culture. Warrior Democrats are the coastal elites and they're keeping down Middle America. Is there a reason to believe that this could in the end still work that as the president talks about there? Is this quote unquote silent majority out there sitting in the in the middle of the country that they're not talking to pollsters about it, but they are worried that Democrats are coming for all of their. Important? Mementos of American culture whether that's the Jefferson Memorial or Any other thing. I think the president is right to point out that there is a constituency of people who feel threatened by this moment, and by this reckoning on race and racism in the country and people who agree with him when he says things like protesters are radical extremists, and that taking down statues is an infringement upon American heritage. What I think he gets wrong is an understanding of just how big that group is I think that the president is now through these talking points appealing to a slice. Slice of his base that was going to vote for him anyway, and that was always going to support him the part of his base that was willing to attend a rally in Tulsa in the midst of a pandemic. I mean these are the people that he is speaking to, and these are the people who are more than willing to engage and participate in a culture war You know I don't know for sure what the whether or not. The polling would reflect that being a large with people. I liked it I doubt it despite looking at the crowd and how smart. How much smaller they've been, but it really. All remains to be seen I suppose you know whether or not this is actually a viable group of people, and whether it's a big enough coalition for him to build to that would actually result in success in November right, and and I, want to get to. The one thing we haven't talked about yet. Is the fact that we're in the middle of pandemic right. We have a major health crisis in this country we haven't seen the president spent really any time talking about this the task force now which used to be one of these daily press briefing has kind of gone by the wayside. It seems like the president's hoping that he can kind of just avoid. Talking about it, my and hoping that these other issues become salient enough again, these these cultural issues become ceiling enough for enough people for him to win I. is that viable? The the thing about the corona virus is that it's taken a direct hit at the one talking point that the president has always been able to to rely on which is the economy, and so you know there's no way for him to really be able to alleviate that immediately. politico reported yesterday that now trump's health experts who are giving the public advice on social distancing and wearing masks don't have a platform with the White House anymore, which is extremely dangerous, and now they've had to go out on their own speaking with individual politicians, and individual shows and things like that to actually get this message out. Out and the more people who are taking trump's health advice I mean the states that are sauce I. Think South Carolina is a really good example of that as as one of the worst places now in the world for the corona virus, and so I mean there's the president. is not able to to really talk his way out of this and I think as cases continue to grow in this country. More people are going to be looking at him for for guidance, but when his when his guidance is, this is a hoax and that it's going to go away, It's not very effective. I mean I. Think he felt that he did as much as he felt was needed in the six weeks or so that the federal government did of push for abroad shutdown, and even though some places in some states, including some very supportive of trump red states, didn't follow the guidance as re-recently some of this places on the East and west coast that were feeling early brunt of this pandemic You know. The president said Look I. Follow the advice of of those medical experts. Telling me we have to do it. He talks often about you know I. Had to shut down. Of course. This was six weeks late after you've I initially said. Virus was under control that Xi Jinping Tone Google away in the warm weather, which was flat untrue, but I think he felt that after that he could get back to is reopening message and then sort of goes back to the the comfort level of you know. The stock market is backup which continues to point to even though tens of million people are out of work. Can he continue to have these sort of moments? I mentioned the the one in the Rose Garden the other day about the the. The trade deal with Mexico and Canada, but also He had one to celebrate the June job. Numbers which people point out were somewhat incomplete in that the country now is shutting down again because it just has to. You know once again. The administration is offering two different messages. as you said the help. Health experts and the and the Crow virus taskforce have been sort of shunted outside of the White House where they used to have their briefings to other locations that HHS and That's a problem. Because the you know people around trump have been sort of saying. We need to sort of get this under control. We need to do something they recognize that and they're you know AIDS including vodka trump are sort of pushing the message after mass. Now something that's simple, but the president just refuses to do it this this week. They've been arguing over of the CDC guidance about how to. To reopen schools in the president is pressing full speed ahead to do so, and you know so once again it's it's beyond just the political question. It's very could be your it's. It's really dangerous to the public on to get these kind of uncertain messaging I and the president just flat out. speaking on at times about the virus Clare. I wanted to go back to just to. Your pc or at the other day about the Republican choice. A party spent decades making itself White and. You know we've had. So many discussions Clare over the last few years. About the fact, that Republicans seem to have put themselves into this demographic cul de sac right. They keep talking to a smaller and smaller group of Americans and that eventually that would just not work out politically, but trump proved that there still are enough white voters out there that you can still win elections by appealing to a very narrow group of white voters. Has the time now run out and. Number one but number two and I want everybody to weigh in on this. What kind of long term damage does this do to the Republican brand? Even if trump loses Democrats win, what is the Republican brand look like years from now after a campaign for the last four years that has been so divisive on race and on these sort of quota quote, Unquote Culture Wars. Yeah, I mean I spoke to Karl Rove. Piece Karl Rove is obviously the sort of famous or infamous. Depending on what side of the aisle you, you fall on strategist for George W Bush. Who? Who helped engineer the the base strategy right turning out evangelical voters, and he said to me of trump's. You know of of winning the Electoral College but not the popular vote. He said it's a fluke. Right happened to his candidate tap and five tons in US history, but he doesn't see it as a viable long term strategy right so he thinks that trump needs to win the popular vote in order to win again, so it is not something that I think Republican strategists in the mainstream or even frankly those who are. Are Who are advising trump think is a good thing. You win elections by addition, not subtraction right in fact Rove told me that he thinks that people have misinterpreted his base strategy right? He said yes. We turned out evangelical famously by playing to the issue of gay marriage, but also he said we were making gains with suburban women with Hispanic voters right. The George W Bush one something like close to forty percent of Hispanic voters in two thousand four. They seem to have stopped trying to do any real appeals to. Voters of color and in two thousand sixteen, the trump campaign specifically had you know outreach campaigns to suppress the black vote on? Largely. Black radio stations. They were playing. These you know the the super. Predator Hillary Clinton doesn't like black people types of ads. I'm just trying to get black voters to stay home and my. What about that? I mean the president. At one point was talking about look. I pushed criminal justice reform. We did more on criminal justice reform than any previous presidents including Barack Obama and there seemed to be this moment where he was at least outwardly. Trying to show some sort of appeal beyond this white base right at the same time that they've sought out support from this voting block. The president is also spewing extremely racist rhetoric, and when you're your top black surrogates. Are People like diamond and silk who have pushed conspiracy theories and alienated themselves within the Black Community. That doesn't really set yourself up. doesn't set trump up very well. for really being able to connect with this demographic, even more while one of the Most Prominent Black Republicans Colin Powell has made several very full throated rebukes of this president, so I I think that the trump campaign's playbook of trying to suppress black votes or paint. Joe Biden as A. Less exciting character, or is even remotely racist one China to play up the role that he played with with being the architect of ninety four crime bill. I mean these are these are the only tools they kind of have left, and they're not that effective because Joe Biden as we know has overwhelming support from African. American voters and I think it's also worth mentioning that you know Brandon slogan is is the battle for the soul of America which has. has turned this now into almost a moral argument. Mom for his candidacy. You know you're you're you're choosing between someone who has a spouse? Racist rhetoric and someone who has a steady hand in has said I want to get America back on back on track and back to its soul I mean, so these are these are words that play well with black voters and play while with other demographics that trump has has seen slip. Older voters suburban white women. College educated voters people who were who were on the fence about who to choose or even to stay home. These are all people now feel energized to vote into against trump. and Dave just about that the soul of America Hillary. Clinton tried that is well that there is a moral argument that she made love trumps hate, and and that obviously didn't work out so well. So what's what's different about what Biden is doing versus now? Well I, think as my pointed out. A Biden has an enormous amount of goodwill in the black community and. Obviously another reason is because he served for the first Black President I. You know in two thousand sixteen. It was no secret when president trump, you can't trump, certainly tried to demonize Hillary Clinton, but he also running on some sort of backlash among a lot of his base to you know Obama's tenure in the fact that the key parts of the country felt that he you know he and Washington. We're not speaking for them. And that they were they were concerned about the way the culture was going and changes to the country, and felt threatened by that and trump of course capitalized on that but it. You just have to look back to two. Two Thousand Twelve when the Republican Party had lost the second time to Obama and they did the big autopsy and Ryan Spree was in charge of it and wrote. Basically we have to expand a not shrink our our base, and we have to appeal to minority voters, and we have to deal with immigration in a real way. and trump ran right against that, and even though he took a priebus into the administration as its first chief of Staff with sort of you know you know team of rivals and he was going to have you different influences from that from the far right of Bannon to sort of establishment. Folks like pre-bus. Those establishment folks most of them out. There was even some reporting I think in the new. York, times, recently that that trump was musing privately that he was, he was through with jared. Kushner's idea of pushing for some more of these efforts around criminal justice reform, and some of the things that he has touted as successes for the black community as as you mentioned, and you know I, think it's interesting where everybody thought that, if trump lost in two thousand sixteen, the Republicans would be under this big reckoning for their for their own future of their. Their party trump consolidated support in a way that a few people imagined, but I think if he does lose this time. It is a problem beyond the reason you while we're talking about, but but also because trump is not going anywhere, and he seems to be certainly eager to stay the conversation in ways that test presidents haven't on a day-to-day basis. I'm sure and he'll he. He likely maintain a lot of clout and You know that you know trump shooting from the sidelines. The party tries to rebuild itself if it loses here I'm you have the? Never trumpers running ads like the Lincoln Lincoln project, and so on in a former consoles. You think that trump has really damaged the brand there there could be that continued fight among Republicans as I if abide administration content comes forward. And then, and then who knows what will happen with that for years from now so? Trump's done a lot of damage and you know I think for him. It's all about personal survival, and that's why he's headed down this path, but about how the future of the party beyond him. I don't know that he's he's concerned about yeah, and that's a really good point. He is not going to fade into the background as precedence. All right. Dave Maya Clare. Thanks so much for joining me to be. My, King is a campaign. Twenty twenty reporting fellow at Politico David Nakimora is a White House reporter for the Washington. Post Clare Malone is a senior political writer, a five thirty eight. Issues of systemic racism police, brutality and reform are firmly anchored in our national conversation. The fury with which we approach, these conversations has ebbed and flowed at least since the killing of Michael. Brown in Ferguson Missouri Twenty Fourteen. But in the weeks since the killing of George Floyd, a new urgency has emerged I think what we're seeing now is maybe an expansion of the demands that are being heard in the mainstream and of the demands that are being taken up by city council and at the state level. That's Daniel. Nissan founding editor of the appeal political report. He's been chronicling these changes, so we thought so much that things had not been happening, but especially the conversation around rethinking the scope of the role assigned to the police, and therefore also the resources the amount of funds it receives that conversation seems to be what's really been added into the mainstream conversation just over the past over six of course it's. It has existed at many levels at in grassroots activism before we've kind of I. Think the past month has taken seriously the idea that it's not enough to change the rules on. Paper that the police has asked to buy. It's also not quite enough to think about how to create consequences for the people who break the rules. There's a bigger culture around law enforcement and justice, sheer size of the criminal system that has now really come under scrutiny over the past month, and that is what. At least at the level of the national discourse Sims Sims new in the past month. Well I have been avidly following your twitter and you have a wonderful thread that you started early June and you're tracking where reforms are taking place linking to articles in local papers. One thing I noticed from just a cursory look at it is a lot of these are happening in some of the big cities New, York and San Francisco Obviously Minneapolis is in there, and then the other places where they were popping up where. where in towns that were like college, towns or more, Progressive Norman Oklahoma, for example was one of them, so is this just a progressive city phenomenon, or is this happening in all different kinds of communities I think that's that's a great question and a very important question, because we've seen at the level of the protests that are happening. We've seen them everywhere. We've seen them in smaller towns museum in Conservative areas so it would definitely be. It's definitely important to not just pay attention to the big cities you mentioning. With more progressive politics kind of around the country I think it is true that at the level of what city councils have already done over the past five six weeks. It has tended to be concentrated in the bigger progressive cities or in smaller towns I think a number of reasons to relative. Is that a bit one is that at the state level? We have seen already some conservative states or Republican Ron States such as Iowa past past emergency bills. That that that add some rules. Ban On charcoal for instance that the police. Should follow what we're also seeing certainly is conversations and debates around the country, and obviously I want to remind everyone that it's only been six weeks since George. Floyd's murder and discussions and debates are continuing. And certainly seeing also coalitions of maybe unlikely bedfellows, having anyone follows criminal justice reform debates might not find it unlikely, but there are conservatives who have been pushing these the these issues for four years now. So for instance on in Fort. Worth in a in just a few days. There's GonNa. Be a referendum on whether to renew south stacks that is funding the police and there we are seeing Be Activists Making the case that we should. Reduce the funding of the police department, but also seeing some people who are from conservative, bent and the -Tarian Bent. Argue against the sales tax from from a more traditional perspective. Reducing the revenue given all the different kinds of reforms that you're seeing in so many different cities. Are there any themes that are emerging or any you know sort of bullet points that you can share with us about the kinds of reforms that are taking place now that we really haven't seen before I, think I would classify the kind of changes. We're seeing and kind of three big umbrella. The first is. Changing the rules that are that the police asked to follow the kind of on paper. The rule that the city the police departments create so for instance, not a lot of cities have banned the use of restraints. Chuck holds just over the past month, but the second piece of the puzzle. The second umbrella is that the core of the argument really is this idea of culture of impunity that that was rules on paper. Mean mean very little if there's no accountability or consequence for them and so I, think the second umbrella over form that that that is moving forward is tackling culture of impunity. For instance I think one of the biggest thing that has happened so far is that Colorado has passed the first loss since since this new wave of protest to end qualified immunity, which is a defense used by police officers to kind of avoid liability of so Colorado has has moved to end that defense at in in state courts, and if that and that's right now, a big topic of debate at the federal also can be very interesting to see what comes of that, and then the third kind of umbrella reform is what I was mentioning. Earlier this idea that it's not enough to to treat this? As as some officers that that it's important to rethink kind of the scope, and the roles assigned to the police and more broadly, rethink the footprint of the criminal legal system, the footprint of of incarceration, and kind of take police out of things that have been doing and also. Broadly criminal legal system so maybe the biggest trend we've seen over the past six weeks. Is Cities have taken out armed officers out of schools, a lot of schools, a lot of CDs have partnerships. The police departments to have police officers in schools and many of them. Oakland Portland Cement Cisco have cancel that, but I also want to again. Make the case that this is. A bigger conversation about the footprint of the criminal legal system beyond law enforcement and its ties to to racism That that is leading some cities and states to reevaluate the bigger brawl that the as are playing that that prisons are playing etc, and that's very interesting that that kind of big conversation that's unfolding right now. Are there places where some of these proposed reforms? Have failed to to be implemented, so there's been. Protests activism all over the country obviously, and it has four city councils to to take votes that are that are for many members, uncomfortable and and the the biggest headline headline failure. Just start with that for instance was the Chicago School Board voted four to three last week or two weeks ago to keep police officers in school, so keep that partnership, and that has been very controversial and a number of also refused to revise their the the budget of the police departments. So I do WanNa, say just thinking about that again. That phone call for all its early and and second of all we still are seeing a sea-change in the political incentives around these decisions The case that for a city council member to vote to reduce the police budget would create a lot of headlines. Around around the danger of voting for such a thing and and and backlash from from the Police Union etc, but what we're seeing in many of the cities that have Don even small cuts to the police budget is headlines that really prioritize the idea that it's not as bold as what the activists wanted an often as what other counts K. Council members wanted often the opposition to even small cuts. The budget has come from. Council members wanted to bigger cuts, and that interest the the sheer scope that conversation just seems so new over the past six weeks, and it's GonNa be fascinating to see what comes of it Daniela Shania and thank you so much for all of your insights on this I. Really appreciate this. Thank you so much for having me. Daniel. Machine is founding editor of the appeal political report. Retail. Me Singing their from vigil held in Cincinnati Ohio following the killing of George Floyd. Back. In Two thousand one, Cincinnati was the center of and rest, following the police, killing Timothy Thomas, nineteen year old black man. The sound of scattered gunshots blended with last from police guns, firing beanbags. Tear gas. It mixed with the taunting of demonstrators into a sometimes surreal, but dangerous mix in which a pregnant woman was shot with a beanbag that sound from local W. KRC TV in two thousand and one covering the unrest, the movement that followed led to an overhaul of policing practices and Cincinnati, and a groundbreaking for the time agreement on community and police relationships. Irish Rowley is the founder of the Cincinnati Black United Front. She was there in two thousand one and worked on the agreement. They made the agreement with the city, and they do the standard use of force transformation of policies and procedures. The good thing about when the DOJ came to Cincinnati, we had already done the pre work. They used all of our stories that we collected to design what they were looking at, so we had done the pre work in the city of Cincinnati and plus both of these agreements aren't tasked in joined at the hip they. They are so intertwined that you can't separate the two aiming the beauty of it all is that we're the only city that has this. We're the only city that has in the first line that it says of our federal document in Federal Court these Cincinnati, black in front, and the Aclu of Ohio sued the city, the police and the police union, and we're the only ones that I know that has an agreement like this were the black community should be in all rooms helping to design implement monitor any evaluate any police decision in design around crime black. Anything that has to do a public safety. Well, that's what I wanted to get to is. We're in the twenty first century now. This is almost twenty years old. Yes, are you surprised? That, there are not more cities that have put together something like the collaborative agreement that you have. Well I'll answer that two ways. No, I'm not surprised. Oppression is real. scare tactics are. Very evident and they have been for very long time, so we didn't get here easily We got to this particular place being beat Dow shot killed. May is geared quite frankly to death to even try to do something. and to speak honestly and openly, and frankly to legislators who should support. And Police Accountability and they particularly don't. You should be able to talk to chiefs and unions very openly, and honestly about police abusing power usage. Be Upset when after twenty years you're still getting resistance from the people that you pay to protect and serve you just like all other people in your city where you live. And what were they saying to you I mean? What was their? Push back when you said here the things we're asking for? Would they go back to you the same things that you while you. I not heard them as much, but you're tying our hands then is that your hands are giving us more work. We are one of the things that I heard that. I hear now that have consistently hard said. This is a very. Tough unsaved out well I beg to differ in the city of Cincinnati you will find officers who've never in twenty years, plus being on the fourteenth, never had to pull their revolver. Never. And those are the type of individuals that you want people who utilize the process of thinking through issues before just going to. Lethal deadly force, so we hear things like that. This is additional work. And why are you making? The citizens pay for it well. What's great at what's the greater pay than death on the families having to live with that in or incarceration where we are saying where it relates to black people that are released after twenty thirty years, saying that you know the the evidence bears out that they did nothing, and where does fairness? Fairness and accountability and transparency. When does that ever expire? Where's that not part of the job? Can you walk us through where we are in the city council and the budget for next year? What they did was move funding around from different parts of the bureau, so they took some money from training took some money from over here it took some money from over there, and they created, or they wanted to establish the. The bureau of a resources I think that's what it's called. The Resource Bureau will where it was supposed to address the needs of collaborative agreement. Another outstanding justice issues while the amount that they were taking from these other bureaus inside of see PD netted them a million, not that they were going to get an additional million. They still have a hundred and fifty million dollar budget, and they've never been audited we need for. For the police department's budget to be audited the entire budget to make sure that the operating in the most efficient and effective way that benefits, all citizens, not just one side of the city, and as a member, this is what striking for me as a manager advisory group member community member that has been on the Mac. Says the exception. It was signed into law in federal court in the year, two, thousand and eight. You did not share that with us. I don't know what your commitment level too heavy better public safety is if you can't communicate to the people who supposed to be communicating to their constituencies about what's happening, so when folks look at Cincinnati and say you know since two thousand and one, there's been a lot of progress made in the relationship between the community and the police. and and that other cities and areas should use this as a model. Is that a fair assessment in your mind? The relationship between fifty more specifically police is black community. No matter what city are in is extremely complicated and smeared and a lot of murder death paying, and so you will get resistance from community. We can't rush community into to trust. You can't do that. That is something that's built and sustained over time, so we need to start with a hurry up and it'll be fixed overnight. It doesn't work that way, so have you killed my brother? Brother I'm gonNA live with the killing of my brother and I believe in in the facts. Don't bear. It was justifying my brother did something, or you could have used some other tactic to help save his life that you saw his life first before you saw a crime, then the me and the rest of my family and a whole host, a group of people are not going to trust you or and going to want to work with you, An- or Corner WanNa file a complaint, because sometimes we feel as if nothing happens as we see now and. National leadership is saying just give police the right to do and beat the hell out of black people anyway anytime that they want to, so it's a constant struggle and fight being black America and then to have to fight systems that you actually pay your tax dollar for is even more atrocious and gross iris rarely founder of the Cincinnati Black United Front. But I wanted to hear more about how the city is meeting this moment and renewed calls for change so I called up. Chris Sale Buck Cincinnati City Council President I started by asking council seal back how the city responded to demands to fund the police. A lot of the people wanted to see a cut in our police budget. We spent almost seventy percent of our budget. Our operating budget on police and fire thirty five percent on police, the police department, so many of the people wanted to see defunding police are mayor city manager had actually recommended an increase of over a million dollar store police. Department And as you probably know, we're under. A contract with the F. O.. P., that's a two year contract that expires next May so there's a lot of limitations on what we could do in this budget cycle but we did take the million dollars that was recommended to increase the budget by the mayor, and take that away from the police, and put it toward youth employment, and we've also done a lot of things. A lot of a lot of the protesters want us to ban the no knock warrants I. Have An ordinance drafted to do that they want us to stop using any kind of gas, OC, gas, or CS, smoke and And we're studying ways to do that. They want us to strengthen our citizens. Complaint Authority, which is the independent agency that allows someone to file a complaint against police officer They want us to fully fund that which we did in our budget cycle, and also strengthened the recommendations that they're just not filed away. those are some concerns that people had and we're taking all of them into consideration, the banning of the no knock warrant I, having an ordinance drafted in. There will be a vote on that so hopefully. My colleagues will do that from Louisville Kentucky originally, and that's where Brianna Taylor was killed. And Louisville became the first city unanimously to ban the no knock warrants, and so I'm hopeful that my colleagues will support by ordinance to do that as well as reading some of the news accounts of some of the hearings that you were having and at some point, one of your colleagues vice. The Vice Mayor Christopher Smitherman said that. While, the Cincinnati police had become a role model for police community relations since two thousand and one. It's time he said to take reform to the next level is at the next level. What you're talking about the warrants or you or is what he's asking for something real, even more significant than that. So we a lot of what police are doing. We started twenty years ago after three unarmed black men were killed in two thousand one, and we had a civil unrest here and out of that came the collaborative agreement between the city, the black community and the attorney general. The time John Ashcroft. In that led to a an abundance of community police officers in the Citizens Complaint Authority, but many of those things that were agreed to have lapsed, and so the last year, so we had been working on a collaborative agreement. Refresh be hard a full-time person to run that, but it has not been going swimmingly the F. O. P.. President at actually when this all started had actually refused to attend the meetings to attend the meetings of the citizen complaint. Tend the meetings of the collaborative refresh. And so what we're doing is fully funding assistance complainants already, and we're GonNa make sure that the city managers working group which is a group of people that advises the city manager on public safety issues is brought back to life. It had not been active for some years, and so we're bringing that back to life and we're GONNA. Make sure that the collaborative refresh gets going and that if if someone doesn't WanNa come to the table, then we're going to keep. The world going and ensure that you know we are serious about this and that we wanna make the reforms that will make our police department more responsive, and and you know there will reflect the values that so many people are asking for, but if the if the head of the F. O., P. is saying he's not interested in doing this. What can you actually do about that? How do you get buy in from that person that community? It's difficult. You know what he is a difficult person but you know he's not our police chase and our police chief is a very reasonable, a good guy, good leader and so You know I'm hopeful that he will come back to the table, but if he doesn't you know, we can work directly with the police chief who actually runs the department? And I I'm. I'm confident that we can still pass and get consensus on some reforms. What was the reaction from the Police Union and From others in law enforcement about this budget. That you had just passed, that took this million dollars, and and put it towards summer, Employment Program, and not to the police department. There was no testimony. At any of our budget hearings from the police union chief or the police chief or the union president. You know I think if we were going to be cutting the police, which would lead to a mediation because that would be breaking the contract the two year contract that we had. That would likely last year. He tried to cut their. If we tried to break the contract and we know that we are going to renegotiate the contract next May, so that was a good idea. So because we weren't gonNA cut them. There really wasn't an outcry from. Police officers or the Union president at any of our budget hearings. And I think that if they would have attended, they would have been booed. Quite loudly, and so, how confident are you that you will be able to make some really significant structural reform to how police are funded and the sorts of things that they are able to do you? I am confident that they were gonNA. Make some real changes. and I think that our council really does what to give direction toward ministration to negotiate the police contract next May in a way that we've never done before. It will not be easy and our our union. Will absolutely be pushing back on some of the systematic changes. We WanNA make, but we're committed to it, and we have a supermajority of Progressive Democrats City Council that you know that they value these reforms that that we've said. We want to make these changes, so you know it's not gonNA happen overnight, but I'm confident than the next year you will see big changes in Cincinnati and how we police and the mayor's on board with all of this as well. I'm not sure, but as I said we have a supermajority, and so we can override any veto that he may have it unfortunately our. Up At the protest or Didn't even really make any statements during all of this which was disappointing. Most to all of us are participated in the peaceful protests. We walked marching side by side with the protest. Many mayors throughout this country did I'm so I'm not sure exactly where he stands but I am sure that the Super Majority of council wants to see real changes. Chris Sale Back is Cincinnati City Council president. And one more thing for me. It's hard to look at where we are today in feel any confidence about what things are going to look like in November. After all just a few months ago, when our biggest political scandal was a meltdown at the Iowa, Democratic caucuses, and we're also still haunted by the ghosts of two thousand sixteen sure polls show trump potentially losing in a landslide today. But many of us thought the same thing was going to happen. After that access Hollywood tape came out. And it's also important at this moment, though not to overthink things, it's not twenty sixteen. We're in the depths of a once in a generation health crisis and the person in charge president trump is getting failing grades from the public on his handling of this crisis. Meanwhile Damore. He leans into racial and social grievance. The more disconnected he gets from the swing voters he needs to win over. Can things change. Of course. There's every reason to believe that a lot of the voters who are currently on the fence. Come back to trump in the fall. But we also know that the one thing that's not going to change is the president. He's not interested in changing his approach or his focus. And politics is all about meeting the moment in two thousand sixteen. The moment was ripe for an outsider disruptor. This year voters want something more steady and stable. Quick shut up to the crew. Our senior producer Amber Hall. Patricia Geico is associate producer DNA. Sodomy Ed is our digital editor this week. David, gable is our executive assistant. Jay Cowan is our editor and sound designer and at WNYC. Studios are Debbie. DAUGHTRY are poured up and Vince Fairchild our director and broadcast engineer. Our executive producer. Is Lee Hill? Call US anytime at eight, seven seven eight. My take or send us a tweet. I'm at Amy Walter. The show was at the takeaway. Tenzin is back on Monday. I'll see you next week. Thanks so much for listening. This is politics with amy on the takeaway.
Inside the Trump International Hotel
"Thank you everybody. Appreciate thank you. Thank you. Milania Tiffany, Laura. Where were very proud of our company, we've built one of the great real estate companies of the world with the notable exception of sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue. This is the most coveted piece of real estate in Washington DC, the best location that was then presidential candidate Donald Trump in the closing days of the two thousand sixteen campaign taking time off to announce the opening of the Trump International hotel in Washington event. Didn't get all that much notice at the time given everything else that was going on. But now that he's living in the White House. Trump's hotel just a few blocks away has become a legal albatross for the president as evidence mounts that foreign governments corporate lobbyists and lots of others are spending big bucks. They're in an apparent effort to curry favor with his administration and next week. The Kuwaiti government will throw its Grand National day celebration there. The third time. It is. Done. So once again in rich ING, the president's personal coffers as Washington awaits, the completion of Robert Muller's Russia report and picks over the new book by acting FBI director, Andrew McCabe will dig into what's going on at the Trump hotel, and why it represents one of the biggest legal and political threats of all Trump's presidency. And we'll talk with Virginia congressman who is demanding answers on why Jared Kushner still has a security clearance. All that and more on this episode of skulduggery. Because people have got to know whether or not their president's. I'm not a crook. I told the American people I did not create on's hostile my heart. And my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence it is not I did not have sexual relations with that one. There will be no lies. We will honor the American people with the truth and nothing else. Michael gove, chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo news. Mike co host Danny CLYDE, men is off this week basking in the sun in southern Florida. So we have a guest co host our yahu colleague hunter Walker honor. Welcome to skulduggery as a host. Yeah. This is this is I guess. A longtime fan, but not a first time caller but first time host, right? First time host. So look actually, you just got back on vacation yourself from Mexico. How did you manage to get from Mexico into the US? Do you have any tips for all the thousands of people tens of thousands of people who are trying to invade our country that way they haven't built the wall yet. So I guess I was still able to get through because in the future. The wall will definitely stop plates. Right. That's of course, you will not be able to fly over the wall. All right. Look this is shaping up as a momentous time for the Trump presidency. Multiple reports now that Muller's report could becoming any day at least submitted to the attorney general I imagine they're quite a few people at sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue who are on pins and needles at the moment. Well, you know, this is a White House that has just been repeatedly rocked by tell all books, and this is going to be the ultimate tell all I guess folks are going to be doing that old DC read where they look through the Muller index and see where their name is. But I think there's a lot of questions about what this document will be and what we will get to see molar has been filing these what they call the legal community. Speaking indictments that are pretty darned detailed. So will the report be even more detailed or have the indictments been his primary communication vehicle. The other question, obviously, this is going to superiors at the Justice department. What will get from them to congress, and then what will ultimately be made public. So we know that we're headed towards some type of conclusion, but I think we don't know whether whether we're gonna see that much from right? Look all the rags require is that Muller submit a confidential report to the AG William bar. And then it is really at bars discretion about what gets publicly set now in his confirmation hearings. He made clear that he believes as much as possible should be publicly shared is that just the conclusions. When you get into the details of the report, and then you're dealing with grand jury material with classified information, you know, with comments and testimony about third parties, private individuals who are not criminally charged by Muller. How much latitude is bargain have to make that public clearly congress. The Democrats are gonna wanna see everything will see how much gets publicly disclosed. But I think the pressure is going to be enormous on bar to release, you know, something very soon, and I would think it could come within days, but we will find out spa. Speaking of tell all books, though, I mean, we had this week the extraordinary media tour of Andrew McCabe, the acting FBI director who was fired by then attorney general sessions, the guy who launched the counter intelligence investigation of the president to determine if he was a Russian asset after the firing of Jim Komi and the president has been tweeting way about McCabe hasn't. He what I find really interesting is their reports. And we're seeing the tweets come out Trump and his allies are both speaking out against aspects of the McKay book that put him in unflattering light. But also trying to take some elements of the McCabe book where you know, he talks about efforts underway inside the government to either investigate the president or even consider removing him from office, and they're using those pieces of the book. Argue this quote unquote, deep state conspiracy against Donald Trump is real. So it's really interesting to watch them sort of say, the book is true when it when it serves their narrative and also say McCabe is this liar in fabulous. Right. Right. And I gotta say I mean, having read the book I was surprised because it's well done, and there are some priceless anecdotes in their ones that haven't gotten big headlines, but among others, Robert Muller rep, here's in the book. I mean mccabe's the brief Muller, and he talks about what a ball BUSTER. He was to brief out intimidating was. And you know, where's that material? I asked you about the other day. Why don't you have the answers? Bubbler is like six foot seven. No. That was Komi was six foot seven molars big guy. But not quite that at six five, but, but, you know, marine Lieutenant in Vietnam all that here's one I didn't know Muller d- had gone to interview with Trump for the FBI job. After Komi was firing. We knew that we didn't know is while he's in the Oval Office being interviewed by the president. He left his cell phone behind in the White House. And then there's a call made to rod Rosenstein, he needs in cellphone back and rod has to go intercede to get the cell phone back. But my favorite is the moment. And I think this tells us much about the Trump White House as anything I've read it's February two thousand seventeen and the senior White House staff has learned at the FBI has this information about Michael Flynn. Now, he may have lied about his. Conversation. This must have been like a week after Trump took office. It's it's early February and McCabe get summoned to a meeting with Ryan spree bes- than the chief of staff and Don Mcgann, the White House counsel and previous is very quite upset. We need to see what you've got on Flynn. We need to see the evidence right now. And suddenly, there's a TV on in the room and starts airing a story about some event in the Trump White House, and they all turn around currently, it's an unflattering story. And they get into a big argument about who leaked the story, and there's pre-bus and Mcgann going at it, you know, poor McCabe is just sitting there patiently he's been summoned to the super sensitive national security briefing. And he's watching the White House. I'll just read you if you lines everyone turned toward the screen, and they all began to talk about the story, which they said had been leaked. I don't remember what the story was only how much upset them. They. They had a heated conversation. I waited for that to finish. You know, this is a White House that to me is Vakhidov of a Mel Brooks movie. I think I mean, the only thing I can compare it. There are so many ways that's the ultimate anecdote of Donald Trump's Washington. You have this highly sensitive and important meeting. Get completely disrupted by cable, news, and leaks. The meeting itself featured pretty much an entire cast of characters that's no longer there because of the turnover, and we're finding out about it in a tell all book written by a fire behind this. Not even the first time that's happened. And it is this really unique feature of Washington right now that these fired FBI guys are like the new selling Rockstars. It's amazing. I know now next week. We also have a guy who hasn't yet written a book, but Michael column is supposed to finally testify before congress in public. Nick before the house oversight committee. So they now the caveat here is this has been scheduled three times before and canceled three times before. So there is a wait and see aspect to the he's the runaway bride of congressional right? Okay. All right. So Colin goes before house oversight. Now, the scope of this hearing is not supposed to include Russia because the next day he'll be before Adam shifts intelligence committee behind closed doors testifying about Russia, why behind closed doors at this point is beyond me as we've discussed many times on this on this show. But the public testimony is clearly designed to to have Cullen talk about how he was abused in his false loyalty to Donald Trump. But that should be quite the show coincide testimony. You know as the president has. Tried to distance himself from Michael Cohen Africo ineffectively flipped to borrow the very appropriate and these game rat, right, right? Yeah. You know, since then the president has tried to distance himself from Michael Cohen. And I have I think on skulduggery and elsewhere just repeatedly tried to make the point that that doesn't hold up. I mean, Michael Cohen was as close as you can get to the president in twenty fifteen. There was a point when the Trump campaign was really like five people and two of them were Michael Cohen, Roger stone. Right. Cohen has this decade long relationship with the president and his business. He was apparently the fixer these really sensitive instances of alleged affairs, and he continued his relationship with Trump, although to a lesser extent after the president took office. So you know, he and his attorneys have claimed he's now finally telling the truth after covering for the president. And he's ready to do his patriotic duty, and you know, tell all. And given that expectation in given his close close ties to Trump. I think this could be if it actually happens one of the most interesting hearings and needless to say the Republicans will have plenty of ammunition to fire away at Cohen on. I mean, this is a guy who is an admitted liar. He's been convicted of lying to congress. He was raking it in shamelessly right after Trump's election collecting, big giant consulting contracts from covering business AT and T, and, you know, foreign interests as well all pretending that he would have inside access that could influence the administration. And I think you're you're also gonna see them get into his family ties and personal business. I mean, this is a guy who built his relationship with Donald Trump by having his family members, many of whom are from the Ukraine by with cash properties in Trump buildings. So that's actually how they got introduced. And it's funny you've seen the president make these allusions about Michael Cohen better watch out for his father in law, which is an implied almost legal threat. But there are a lot of questions surrounding Michael Cohen's vast personal fortune his own some very very valuable properties in his own, right. And also his family, which has extensive links to figures in the former Soviet Union has had tax problems of their own. So I'm sure a lot of that stuff. Whether it's appropriate or not for the president to threaten this guy testifying against him about that is another question. But other Republicans will certainly feel free to bring up this morass surrounding Mike Ryan, and we should point out that that's how cone got into trouble with the southern district even after he pled they wanted to know everything about his knowledge of various criminal acts, including those by members of his family. And he was not forthcoming about that. So he did not want to tell the prosecutor. In the southern district about that. And that's one reason they threw the book at him, even though Muller's people were satisfied with what they got from Cohen the southern district. Prosecutors were not I do find it interesting that in Cummings memo Cummings being the chairman of the house oversight committee and his memo about what will be covered in this hearing. He did say that Cohen will be asked about the campaign finance violations, the payments, stormy Daniels and the arrangement to pay Karen McDougal that is something that is squarely within the southern districts jurisdiction all indications that that's been an ongoing investigation. The fact that Cohen will be testifying that suggests to me that maybe there aren't more prosecutions that the southern district is going to give on this. Otherwise, why would they have given the green light for Cohen to testify? Yeah. But you know, what one of my favorite things to bring up as we talk about. All this everyone talks about Muller. Right. But they're so. Oh, many legal fronts where the president is being investigated. There's congress as we're seeing coming up there's the southern district, which may or may not be wrapping up, and then there's potential with the attorney general in New York. So so the president is just getting it from all sides, plenty of material for skulduggery. And we've got some interesting guests to talk about that. But before we do a little presidential politics. We've had a new presidential candidate somebody who's been around the block before Bernie Sanders who just jumped in this week. And I understand that you do a pretty mean Bernie Sanders, and he's got something to say about who appears as a guest on skulduggery, the millionaires and the billionaires have avoided being guests on skulduggery full thought who long for the rest of you. I'm asking familia volunteers to listen to a program. This is an unprecedented movement where we don't. Take any corporate money except from Verizon, which owns us. Right. You can give Randy Credito a run for his money. Anyway, thank you better than let's get on with the show. We are now. Joined by Zach Everson, the publisher and editor of eleven hundred Pennsylvania Avenue and a guy who is tracking perhaps more than anybody else, the comings and goings at the Trump hotel. Zach welcome to skulduggery, thanks for having me. So this is a absolutely fascinating subject that only gets more interesting as the days in weeks, go by how did you get onto this in the first place? Why are you spending time following what's going on at the Trump hotel? I had been a freelance travel writer for about fifteen years, which is how I met hunter. And I hadn't assignment for Conde nast traveler to go right about the hotel in the traditional Conde nast traveler, kind of stuff but also dig into the legal issues. The hotel was facing. This was right after Trump became president right after the hotel opened and so from the vantage point of my stay there. We kind of looked back at what lawsuits were. We're going through the courts, and what was happening that way in the saw the president there that was like the big takeaways that I saw the president. I talked to the president briefly because I was a customer at his tail was this while he was president. Yes. Yes. This was president. This was in April of two thousand seventeen is there he had a steak dinner. So what he told me? I didn't throw any hardball questions. I just wanted to see if I could talk to them and would you have for dinner, Mr President steak, right? So from that I started looking at social media seeing what was going on at the hotel. And it was amazing. What was happening there? And that it wasn't really being reported on. I really took a look into during the time that Scaramucci was communications director. And he was there every night, and it it just looked like a fun place to go. The he was there Kellyanne Conway Sarah Huckabee Sanders, and I started tweeting this stuff and it kinda took off. And I just stuck with it. Okay. But there are some really significant legal and political questions about what's going on at the hotel. So why don't you? Outline them sheriff's. Well, right now, we have three emoluments cases that are going through the courts at various stages. One by crews filed the first week day after Trump was inaugurated that gut that that was dismissed for lack of standing there appealing. We're waiting to hear on that. The biggest one we have going on right now is the DC and Maryland attorneys general they were granted standing only regarding the DC property though, none of Trump's other businesses. They had originally filed regarding New York and some other properties and that they were granted standing they started issuing some subpoenas. And that guy kicked up to the appellate court though and subpoenas are on hold. So or arguments on that wonder in March and just to be clear. The issue here is the plaintiffs in this case the D C in Maryland attorneys generals. And there's a third one by members of congress one hundred and that they also the president is violating the Molliems clause of the constitution by maintaining an interest in his business while he's president. And that business is collecting revenues and profits from foreign governments corporate lobbyists and others who are trying to influence his administration state governments as well. That's another big one there. We just found out that the state of Maine dropped twenty two thousand dollars of taxpayer money on forty nights at the Trump hotel. It's nice steak dinners as well. Right now. The the big one though that is happening next week is Kuwaiti national day celebration. They're back. They're back for the third time for the third time. The Kuwaitis are having their grand reception in Washington at the Trump hotel, and they made big headlines the first time, and that's part of what kept me wanting to stick with this is that I figured the headlines would start disappearing when these things kept going on and on it was just a matter of habit. But I felt like it's not the first time. But this happens that it's really is important as the second third and fourth. So the first time the Kuwaitis did this. They'd actually sent out save the dates. To have the event at the four seasons. And then Trump gets elected and they have a change of venue, and it becomes the Trump hotel. And that first one has been cited in those emoluments cases like it is mentioned there and they're going back for third year. If it's already in litigation why it's face. Yeah. I would agree. Yes. So I just want to step back and set the scene here a little bit. As one of the many people in DC who now in this administration is finding myself spending a lot of time in this hotel giving president your business giving. Yes, I use my expense account corporate card is a frequent flyer over there argued it needs. A there needs to be a Trump hotel press pool. And there's a lot of us where reporters go there, and the reason is this is the old post office building on Pennsylvania Avenue. So the lobby effectively is this cavernous space with this huge ceiling. It's got a bar. It's got the steakhouse on one side. There's a Brioni trumps favorite and Taylor and every night that. Bard sort of the seats around. It are aerobics gallery almost the Star Wars Cantina. Trump administration officials and wannabes. I mean, I've seen the president there. I've seen done junior. There are numerous occasions, Corey Lewandowski is a frequent hanger on and then sort of more outside or types who either are close to the administration or want to be seen to be. So, you know, this would include controversial outright blogger Chuck Johnson. I've bumped into him at least twice there, the staff of the daily caller. So I think a lot of the issue is that are people spending money there either to give money to the president or because of the access that seems to be the excess to officials and others that seems to becoming since he's taken office. And you have just I I've been following this since you were doing it on Twitter. I'm so glad it's become a newsletter. You have been ahead on so many of the people who are in there on a given night. I wanted to ask you, how do you use social media? What techniques are you doing to figure out who's there? It's taken me a long time. Home this down the results out there. It's kind of narrow narrow out all of the false positives there, but is looking to see who geo tags that too silly. And not just the hotel, but the alternative sword if they tabula post office going through that checking tags there's certain people. I just know who are there all the time, and they may not Geotech. So I just check them out going through Facebook, which can be a difficult. One to talk to Facebook was one of the biggest fines I had was. I saw the day after it happened that t mobile CEO, John lagaras there, and that was he was there the day after he announced the merger with sprint which was going to need government approval and them talking to you was talking to some two random people the best. I could tell one of them prayed with them that was according to the caption, and for approval from the Justice get into that draw pictures, no longer on the internet a lot of these pictures. I gotta take screen shots. If everything I see because a lot of these pictures do have a tendency to disappear later, but he was there media, and where's that noticeable t mobile logo? He's got the mullet. You can tell who he is. And he was there all the time. That first couple of weeks, and as he was pursuing a Merck as he was pursuing a merchant that needed government approval. And then, you know, the Washington Post recently got this great scoop with the documents that they were on VIP list. So many days how much money they spent their. They were able to back that up. You can find this stuff. A lot of the times on social media. I, and I think that's another important point to make is how much money folks are spending because this is not a cheap hotel. And I often joke whenever I'm about to hand in a hefty receipt to my overlords from the Trump hotel that you know, this is the most overpriced bar in DC. I mean, it is the cost for beer, house wine. I believe is is near twenty dollars at the fifteen dollar temper. Neil rate license to linger wine anything cheaper than that. I don't know. If I'd go with fifteen bucks or anything cheaper than that, though. You might be able to. Teen dollars about the minimum cost of beverage at this hotel when the hotel opened it was losing money. The room rate was below the break even point it was reported. And yet after he won the Washington Post somehow happen to see documents that were just briefly posted a run to the GSA website that the hotel made two million dollars in the first two months when it expected to lose two million dollars that whole first year. I mean that is a heck of a tournament. Let's remember even before the Kuwaitis the Saudis stepped in right after the election, and they start this lobbying campaign to change the law just passed by congress jazz stra that would allow the families of the victims of nine eleven to sue the Saudis in federal court in the United States, the Saudis didn't like that the we're trying to get the law overturned they start flying in veterans from all around the country putting them up at the Trump hotel, and then deploying them to go. Oh, lobby members of congress to change the law that happened immediately. After the election is when those trips from the veterans started two hundred seventy thousand dollars two hundred seventy dollars about Saudi money going directly to the Trump hotel. All right. So tell us what's wrong with this. Why why should we care that the Saudis and the Kuwaitis and other foreign governments are trying to patronize the president's hotel without getting too much into the archaic language of emoluments? It's the whole point is to show that the president works for the American people. And there should be no question about that. Now, we don't know if the president is finding out who stays at his hotel every day or not maybe he's getting lists of it. There's been the Daily Beast reported that one of the hotel's front office workers said that he had briefed the president on on the banquet business, the hotel tonight that, but we don't know you want to know if the president is working for the United States people, and if you've got Saudi Arabia drop in two hundred seventy thousand dollars there, you don't insert people are going to that hotel thinking they will influence the president. There's a picture of the sugar, beet farmers. They were in town. They were at a different hotel for some event, but they went over to the Trump hotel and the caption on the picture said having a drink to support the president who supports us. Us. They they said the quiet birdie pretty much there. Right. That's that's the reason. The other DC hotels weren't getting their business that night. And I also think that you know, there's a Gulf between how Trump's other businesses have done in Chicago in New York and seemed Trump hotels have to pull his name off the wall have to cut their rates because people were actually less inclined to shop after he took office. One thing that I find interesting I've actually gone to sushi Nakazawa a couple times because it's pretty frequent. Yeah. It'll and this is inside the same building they leased from Trump, but it's a separate room. And it's a round the back of the hotel. And actually it's way easier to get reservations there than sushi Nakazawa in New York, and it's also not crowded most of the nights, I've been and, you know, it's really interesting to see the spaces where you know, the president's not showing up because he he only goes to the steakhouse the spaces that are not attached to this lobby filled with Trump. Fficials are totally empty. He's not otherwise apparently drawn to the space. So it's not just foreign governments like the Kuwaitis the Saudis and not just corporate interests such as T mobile, but it's also political interests, right? Who are patronizing the hotel? You mentioned one that you just learned about in the last few days. Yeah. The vice president we just found out today that his pack spent thirty six thousand dollars in the last two months at the Trump hotel, bringing the total up to over one hundred sixty thousand dollars that he spent there so vice-president Pence is pack America committee, one hundred sixty one hundred sixty thousand and his brother's campaign spent another thirty thousand their Greg Pence who's now congressman from Indiana. So you've got the pets brothers combined pushing two hundred thousand dollars at the Trump hotel. Kevin McCarthy, another big spender there, and in fact, there was a report from one of his events at the Trump hotel that Trump spoke to that Trump gave a nod into. To people he would support McCarthy's candidacy for speaker. If you are in sees at a lot of fundraisers yards. Yes. The Trump hotel a lot. They actually go to some of the other ones as well. Did you go to derail a bit? But the RNC's their regular endless forget where we learned about the Trump inaugural committee spent a ton of money five million the hotel wanted three point six the Wall Street Journal reported today, but the one point five million figures been reported by a lot of people I think WNYC and propublica had at that. They were paying one hundred seventy five thousand dollars a day for events base. And they even got a prayer breakfast kicked out of the events base. So they could use it themselves. Okay. So we have these lawsuits that allege this is all a violation of the constitution the emoluments clause. The Justice department is representing the president's on this not in his personal combined city, but as president states, what's the argument of the defendants here about why this is not. Not evaluation there. Several the main one is just how you define a millions. I mean, there's there's no case law in this. So they're going to the dictionaries, and that was one of the things that I think judge singled out in Maryland judgment, setting Sadie right here. Sorry. The point tips had more and better definitions of me than the DOJ attorneys did and the point to stare at gotten a professor from Georgetown to go through these dictionaries that were contemporary with the drafting of the constitution and define a moment. And see what that word would have meant for the founders. So that's one of the big arguments that the Justice department argument is what it's not in a moment. This is because it's a hotel. It wasn't written like that. So they're saying only if you slip cash to somebody and put it in their pocket. That's an a that argument. There's also the fact that the president has distanced himself in that, you know, it isn't a trust. Of course, the trust is still his and he can take money from it at any time. But they they're saying that there's also that trust there. And additionally, but it's he's he's not distance. He still that's their taints ownership. Interest in the Trump right organization, which owns the hotel his seventy percent ownership of the hotels put in trust. I'm not the one making the argument. I'm just telling you what THEO this is as the president his attorneys would say, quote, unquote, totally legal and cool. You know, and I was there at the Trump Tower press conference. Court filing. That's the one he used Twitter. Okay. I was there at the press conference where Sherry Dillon this lawyer came out and talked about how he had just gone so far above and beyond and distancing himself from his big stack of papers. Yes. And I tried to look at that. And they would not show it to me. Imagine wa I it's almost as though it was a giant blank stack of papers to look quite impressive. But I wouldn't want to speculate on that. But what we do know is that the president has not removed himself from his company. He's not divested from his company claims. He is no longer involved in day to day operation, but let's be very clear. The people who are are his family sons are running that company. So when you're patronizing this hotel, you are directly handing cash to the president and his family. I think that's that's totally fair. I would agree with that. I've always believed. This is a not just a legal, but a political threat to the president in the. Sense that if we ever get to the point of impeachment, and we'll know a lot more perhaps in the next few days when if Muller really does some it is report, and how far that's going to go, but any impeachment Bill of particulars will include almost certainly an article that says the president is in violation of the US constitutional prohibition on Amalia minutes, and that this will be part of the case against the president. Now, you pointed out something to me as actress before we came on which is that next week. We have Michael Cohen's testimonies. Finally will see it's been, you know, scheduled and put off three times before the house oversight committee. But in his memo about the scope of that testimony. He mentions Cummings does chairman of oversight the emoluments clause. Trump as one subject when they listed the scope of what they were going to talk about and several of the other items on their pertain to the president's business, but they specifically singled out the Trump hotel there they didn't single out more relied. They do that. We're going to find out. I'm really curious. I don't know of any direct connections that cone has other than having worked for the Trump organization. He's been there a few times, there's a great picture posted online. If I'm having cookies and coffee with diamond and silk who are also having a concert having bringing their chitchat tour to the Trump hotel also believe next week, and they're they're doing a tour. I think they're about fifteen or sixteen dates in four or five of them or at Trump properties. So we got the Kuwaitis diamond and silk. Stone was just there recently really tell us about is for Virginia women for Trump was having an event their campaign kickoff there their private LLC. They're not affiliated with the campaign indicted, Russia gate defendant, Roger stone. Yes, he dated just it was the day after he was up your first, Raymond I believe in it was two days after that. Which if you remember the judge said notebook door and she specifically used the phrase notebook tour, and he was at the Trump hotel signing books and hawking t-shirts for his legal defense. And wait, this is this is a point that I always have to stress. What are those t shirts say God if I can't Roger stone? Did nothing wrong, which is a pretty blatant allusion to a popular Neo Nazi Meam Hitler. Did nothing wrong. So this. This. Didn't know that one. I saw pictures of him signing books. She said no bookstores if you're talking to an audience and signing books, then we got a guy who's been indicted could potentially be hoping for a pardon from his former close associate the president. And he's handing money to the event. That's it sold out. They had about three hundred people there all I can say is what better place to celebrate your arraignment. National hotel. It seems like a magnet for indicted defendant. We've seen a lot of people celebrated their acting attorney general time Whitaker went there and his testimony. Don, jR, was obviously staying there around the time he was being talking to the special counsel. So you see a lot of that's broadly. What categories of people? Do you see there? I think you nailed it. I mean, you do definitely see people who are members of the administration. You see a lot of hangers on. I mean, I sometimes when I'm deciding if I'm gonna share a picture, I found if somebody go does this person matter, do I just think this person matters because they are always at the Trump hotel a lot of people whose value depends on the perception of proximity to the president you'd see Katrina Pearson's their ally. Eric Bolling is there are a lot. He actually did his TV shows after state of the union live show from the Trump hotels lobby with special guest. Sean spicer. So you see a lot of those people you see a fair amount of lobbyists. You're coming and going. There's some people who work for the the nonprofits that benefit. That work with the Trump campaign. You'll see them they're the big setting. I had recently. I was sitting in the lobby. I got to see this one in person a large contingent that looked like they were from Africa coming came in. There was all sorts of video cameras on them. I said I'm going to see who this guy is I took a look on social media half hour later, he was the main opposition candidate in Nigeria's presidential election, which was thirty days after that. It's not like the election was nine months down the road. And he's checking out the Trump hotel now, and as I did some digging it was a campaign issue whether or not he was allowed into the US. For well because corruption involving Representative William Jefferson way back on that one the money in the fridge. Yes, exactly. Just get this straight. This is a guy who the State Department and band had to the United States because of allegations of corruption and there he was at the Trump, right? It'd been an issue in the campaign whether or not he was allowed in so Trump didn't want. So what did you do? He did the next best thing ton of video cameras on them as they was doing it. He actually even held a town meeting for Nigerian ex-pats in the Trump hotel and to take their grievances. And then as I was looking at that there was a second Nigerian presidential candidate at the same time a long shot seventy to run as to campaign for president of Nigeria then the then the Trump hotel. Well, look, it sounds like it's going to be a wild week next week, maybe Muller's report, Michael Cohen's testimony and Trump hotel will be doing business like gangbusters still be there. All right. And you can we can all read about it on its eleven hundred Pennsylvania Avenue, probably easiest ways to go to Twitter and just type in eleven hundred pen, and that'll take your at there. All right, Zach Everson. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. We are joined now by congressman Don Beyer from Virginia. Congressman welcome to skulduggery. Thank you very much for the invitation. I'm really looking forward to this a lot. We wanted to talk to you in particular your efforts to get Jared Kushner's security clearance revoked in which you've been at the forefront of. But before we get there. You just got back from Central America on doors, sell Salvador, and Guatemala, obviously the countries from which the caravans have been coming. And you know that which the president is citing is the basis for the national emergency. Tell us what you learned down there. There's so much. We were there on the ground for five days and his hard to compress at all. But but the basic purpose for going to try to figure out what are the root causes of this what they call irregular migration and understand what the people there on the ground are doing about it. We had a chance to meet with all three presidents. And the president elect in El Salvador, this young man bouquet -ly within their varying things we came to really way with str- three very strong impressions opinions conclusions. Number one is to the extent that the corrupts is rampant. That's a huge disincentive for people to stay for example. The last two presidents of El Salvador, one from the left one from the right both serving prison sentences right now, the the hundreds of millions of dollars disappearing independent indoors too, right? Other of the president was just indicted. I I think in the brother and the son of the current president Guatemala of day. I asked him about he's trying to get rid of the independent UN commission so called seasick that is trying to provide he's banned them and took would let their their leader from who's from Brazil back into the country. And I had a chance to ask him directly. Whether how is it going to fight corruption? If the corruption fighting unit was banned from the country. There's a an internal corruption unit in Honduras called maxi and then doing a pretty good job El Salvador, just with the existing. So we actually met with two or three of the attorney general's prosecuting this to all these countries the attorney general is not part of the executive branch a separate from the president. Which is a good thing. At least in those countries. The second big thing was violence. You had murder rates in El Salvador recently of one hundred one hundred thousand people by comparison, it's five in the United States twenty times. Larger they've cut it down to about fifty Guatemala hesitant to twenty which is still four times as large as ours is. And then the third is poverty that Guatemala, particularly sixty percent living in poverty. Fifty seven percent chronically malnourished showed his pictures of Guatemalan children in Guatemala, watermelon. Children in the United States, and there's a six inch height difference. And but the really interesting thing was that they said give them any reason to hope that it's going to be better. And they'd won't they won't make track north not really wanna leave. They leave because they see no future there or they're afraid. They're going to be killed. And so the better we can make conditions there. The much less migration, we're gonna have. And in fact, the investment that we've had largely started led by Joe Biden vice-president has already led to significant declines you look at the numbers of people come in north it's much less than it was ten years ago fifteen years, although the administration is you know points to the increase in the number of families coming with. With children. And that that is what they are saying is the crisis, and it is more families. I think it's I think it was up to like twenty to twenty four percent the different countries as opposed to five and six percent, historically. It had been young men coming from the poorer provinces outlying who then would send back. Lots of money was fascinated that twenty percent of El Salvador's GDP is remittances from the United States. So it's in fact, all three countries remittances for these states are larger than in their tax revenues from all sources. So in a weird way it they really help their family when they can somehow make it across the border and find did this change your thinking at all about immigration issue. Oh, very much. What would it? I mean, clearly told me and we had five other members of the congress led by Senator Tom Carper with us, and my wife and his wife was the more we invest in education in public. Safety and in reducing corruption the less people were going to have to turn away at the border. The fewer people we have to catch either ports of entry or in the back land. And one of the fastest attacks is a minimum twenty seven thousand dollars US taxpayer money to repatriate somebody that we caught at the border, or we call it in the interior that I'd say send back and that twenty seven thousand dollars goes an incredibly long way in these very poor countries where the average ways is three hundred dollars a month in terms of giving them a reason to stay. So we're we're putting the money in the wrong place. Right. We're we're doing it. The. Mm businessman cardio, right? Yeah. And and I like to brag I think I'm the only flew sort of autumn mechanic and congress, right? And when I didn't know you have that particular expertise remember the next time stuck on the highway is dated because I haven't worked on them and twenty years, but they probably couldn't do it today. But one of the kickable mechanic is if you have time to do it, right? The second time, you should probably do it. Right. The first time, you know, that quality is doing it right early. It's what we're doing is. We're spending money at the end of the process rather than at the beginning. And I think, you know, given the trip you just went on, and that you represent Virginia which you know, it's gotten a lot better. But they were sort of the first state to really face a big MS thirteen problem and implicit I think in the president's rhetoric and also as we saw with Ed Gillespie in the ads in Virginia is that MS thirteen is part of this threat at the border. What what was your sense of? I learned so much one hundred with most interesting things as I did not realize that before the year two thousand. There were no gangs in El Salvador that MS thirteen and eighteenth street to gangs. Call eighteenth street, the southerners and the revolutionaries were all created in Los Angeles. And when we started deporting them because there are bad guys from the United States. They went back and got footholds el-salvador. This is an American export to Central America. And now there's something like three hundred fifty Cletus which of the small bands sort of independent cells of these gangs, and we have our FBI and homeland security down there. One by one taking them apart sort of reminded me actually of what they were doing. We're trying to do in Iraq and Afghanistan is dismantle disrupt. These little clicker these little cells of gangs and take back neighborhoods one by one. But the idea that we can restore repair a failed state, which is what these countries are hasn't worked. So well and Afghantistan, you know, hasn't worked elsewhere the idea that we'd be able to do it in central. Erica in such a way as to make material difference in the number of those people want to come here seems like, you know. Asking a lot. It is asking a lot. But I'm up to mystic. I think one of the differences is the cultures are much closer. I mean, first of all the hero, worship the United States. I the our, you know, you're listening to our music and our books, and they all have families here, which is not the same with Iraq or Afghanistan. Those are very very different cultures. That religions are largely the same the philosophies. So I'm in fact, was Nell Salvador eighty percent of their exports to the United States eighty percent imports from the United States. So that's it. You know, you you walk down some of the streets. There just seems like. Poor neighbors in Virginia thirty years. All right, Jared, Kushner, the president's son-in-law you have been at the forefront of demanding that his security clearance be revoked because of the multiple mistakes. He's made on his SF eighty six the form yet to fill out when he joined government, tell me how and why you got onto this and have you gotten any response from the multiple letters you've been writing I I got onto it. Because back when Barack Obama was about to be elected. I'd raise my hand said boy I'd love to be on the transition team. They said, okay. Fill out this SF eighty six four we got a vet you. I it took me two and a half days to talk about where my grandparents were born every country ever traveled to every foreigner that I knew and yeah, I live in greater Washington DC, and a lot of people that are foreign board, and it was incredibly comprehensive then offend out that Jared Kushner failed to list at least one hundred if not more. Foreigners that he had talked to that had business dealings with that he'd met with as part of the campaign. He just forgot about them just left it blank. And then his wife, let them all blank to. And then that he'd had to make last. I heard was more than forty corrections to his financial data just thought this is just not right at all. So with Ted lieu, congressman from California. We wrote I think five letters do seventeen saying this is wrong. And it is over seeing this, and it turns out completely correct? When you come back to the fact that the internal White House people is that he shouldn't get it either. And one of my favorite points that you've made because I think we I talked about this in July twenty seventeen when you were on maybe your second letter, and you had twenty members of congress. Join with you to talk about Ivanka's security clearance, because this was right when we were first discovering all these over one hundred updates Jared made and you made the point that based on your familiarity with the document SF Eighty-six doesn't just ask about your. Or contacts it asks about your spouse's contacts. When the case of Ivanka if Jared had to update his one hundred times, then she did as well. And I don't think we've really gotten any information from the White House on basic part is so I serve foreign services a political point for four years of many friends of the foreign service and in the military, and everyone I talked about it said, oh my God. If that had been me I'd have been fired my security clearance who've been revoked it could be imprisoned. And instead he's meeting with the president a couple times a day. Right. Right. And we know that you know, certainly in vonda made trips to Russia. She was in Moscow in two thousand fourteen that would have been within the time period that I believe you had to answer questions. So let's review what happened here. He corrected on a couple of occasions. This form to include all the foreign contacts, including meetings he had during the transition and the White House people reviewing the security clearance. I recommend. He not be granted a top secret clearance, and then they get overruled who overruled them. And why? So there's this guy named Klein kale? I n e who had been a Pentagon official, and he apparently overruled and said that Jared could have this top secret clearance, this I guess TC clearance, and then turns out that he'd done this thirty other times. And we don't know who the other thirty people were who security clearance was recommended to be turned down by the internal professionals who do this in the White House through different presidents different administrations. And turns out they said in the years before Klein came up to this position. Only once in the previous three years had their recommendation been overrule now overruled thirty thirty one times as climbed been questioned at all. Apparently, he has I've not heard any responsiveness. In fact, it almost. Gets worse. We he's out of the White House. Now, they sent him back to the Pentagon. And I don't know if that was a direct result of this. But in the meantime, the woman who is the whistle blower who had been in the White House for some nineteen years doing this job. He suspended her for fourteen days. Apparently for whistleblowing climbed climbed it. Yeah. Suspended, the whistle blower. Whistle blower protection laws? There should be. I'm sure she's pursuing it. But and he did that she she has some rare form of dwarfism. She's four foot nine I guess the first thing you didn't pull the files to high for her to reach them apparently set to her. She wrote this letter to her family members where she described how he said to her wolf you want files, you can ask me or find someone else to get them. So he was according to her he was literally preventing her from doing her giants of guy. Just just incredible. So we're approaching and then go one more step because they're different levels of security clearance. So Jared wanted to the segmented compartments SEI, which at the top level went over five because that way he could be in the president's briefing because a lot of the stuff you see is a level five SEI, and that has to be done by the CIA. They looked at it and said. So he still doesn't have that. Thank goodness. So but Trump does have the prerogative to basically overrule any this? Right. We introduce legislation just on this to say the president should not be making the decision on his internal staff on security clearances should be made by the FBI director. It has not passed yet. But so so is their next step on this can you call Klein to testify before congress and grill him about what happened was he pressured to make this decision. Yeah. I hope so I'm not the chairman of any committee, but I think oversight and government reform, which is allies Cummings. It'd be perfect for Representative Cummings to bring Klein into do that. And we will if we have already we've probably will ask the chairman to do that. I was going to say we're approaching in April. I think it'll be the two year anniversary of you pushing on this. And since then we've seen the Democrats take back the house, and we're seeing Cummings used the oversight committee to begin security clearance investigation, or they looping you into all that given that you were out in front of us. I'm not on the committee. They usually are gracious enough to let me attend the hearings off on the side. But yeah, we we talk all the time. Gerry Connolly's, one of the leaders on that? And he's a dear friend reclose. Now, you are on ways and means which is one of the committees that can go through the process to get the president's tax returns. Where do we stand on that? Are we going to see his tax returns qualified? Yes. For slow liberty quickly review the law. At least the way understand it is there to entities in congress that that can under this ancient law request the tax return of any American citizen was the joint taxation committee, which yours Democrats Republicans from from finance and tax on both sides on that's not likely to happen. Because of the Senate controlled by Republicans or the House Ways and means committee where we have twenty five twelve advantage. So our chairman Ritchie, Neil, Springfield, Massachusetts is going about this and a deliberate. Thoughtful way as he says, this is a really big important historic thing. He doesn't want to not do it. Right. Wants to make sure that he crossing all the TS and dotting all the is. And and so they've begun the process, by the way, as I understand it at least he's explained it to us. The the first step with his request is that the Internal Revenue Service will share it with him as the chairman confidential. He will then review it and decide what can be shared with the full committee. And then ultimately, what can be shared with the American people. They're also anticipating that the White House is gonna fight back right away that once that requests goes to the they'll be requests for injunctions and. Go back to Newt Gingrich you as Newt described some months ago saying now, we now we get quote now, we get to see whether that investment capital is worth it. All right. So what's the legal argument here? What's the legal argument on on your side and getting the tax returns? And what's the house the White House going to push back? What's going to be there? That's that's I probably can't give you an adequate answer. But that's a really good question. Because one of the things that chairman Neil has said is that we can't just say, hey, show us the texture. We the ways and means committee have to have a bona fide good legal rationale for asking to see the presents the legal. Oh, well, I'm not writing the brief. But I would say as Don Byer speaking that there are so many suggestions that the president's behavior for with Russia of others has must be inextricably linked to his financial fortune. Why else would he give Putin a pass on dander, everything from Crimea? To believing his intelligence rather than our own intelligence agencies. His willingness to criticize everybody in the world, except Putin is strongly suggests that when no US-backed wanted to lend the Trump organization anymore that these are Russian funds coming out of Cyprus and places like that. So I think when you when you get any McCain saying there was reasonable concern that he could be a Russian agent the best way to start with that does he those tax returns. Well, and he's also he has not been transparent about his business dealings in Russia. I mean after we started doing some reporting on the Trump Moscow tower really now has become abundantly clear that when he got up and said, I have no business interests in Russia. That was not correct. He well, he was pursuing business interests at that very time. We have a semantic argument on the also know the New York Times Washington Post the times that this man has lied is absolutely historic. And this is also a commitment that he. Made all through the campaign. The first president in longtime not to share his tax returns that in this isn't an average citizen. This is president United States. Theoretically, the most powerful person in the world American people have a right to know. Do you think we would before twenty twenty before the elections? Again, I'm not a lawyer. But personally, no, I think we need to do the best weekend to get them. But it's been suggested more than once that it could be tied up in court for years. Okay. You are a member of congress from Virginia. And there's been a bit of controversy, shall we say to say the least about what's been going on in your state at the highest levels. You are among those who called for your governor governor north rim and your Lieutenant governor to resign northern because of the black face photo on his yearbook and Fairfax because of the allegations of sexual assault. They have not followed your recommendation and of many others. So where do we stand on that is Northland going to survive? You still think he should resign? And what about Fairfax, I still think both should resign? But they they're not listening to me. And they may both survive they will survive in very wounded. Positions is very difficult to see how any of them can run again, and the strong leadership that we need in Virginia. Really that was Mike from the beginning, my perspective, and that of many many of the people that I've talked to was how do you actively lead Commonwealth eight and a half million people more one hundred thousand state employees when you are so give that. Gog in. How damaging is this going to be for the Democrats in Virginia? Well, the, you know, we have a we have a minority in both chambers. Twenty one thousand Senate fifty one forty nine in the house. So we were very eager and excited about the opportunity to take both of those back now, it's just gonna be a lot harder. We can still do it. But the whole notion of having the gov- Lieutenant governor hosting fundraisers all around the Commonwealth for our best candidates. Right. That that's in the races this year for the state legislature. What about presidential in twenty twenty? Wow. That's I haven't thought so much about that. That does make it harder. We've we've won ten or eleven straight statewide elections. You started purple even almost blue depends on who our nominee is. But what's again, it's hard to imagine our nominees wanting to campaign with either of them. And again, I don't wish them ill at all the sexual assault. Things are much more concerning because it's these are actual crimes. The the black faces was stupid, and suggests that we have a long way outgrow are deeply racist past last question. You are a businessman car dealership. That's how most people know your name, and we have a lot of progressive presidential candidates right now in your party, who in some cases, call themselves socialists, or calling for some really progressive ideas that are not necessarily in sync with where the business community. Is are you concerned that your party is drifting too far left, and this is going to hurt the party in twenty twenty? Now, I'm not we've always been a big tent party. I think some of these progressive ideas sound less scarier than they really are. And that when they're temper down by the reality of actually governing. They can be really really important fascinating. I read this morning is in in the year two thousand the top one tenth of one percent had seven percent of the assets in America today. They have twenty percent is tripled in the last generation. We are struggling to maintain a democracy where there's ever-greater inequality of wealth and inequality of income and is the greatest Thomas Pickard. These were the return on capital so much greater than the return on labor. So it's really difficult to work your way without a lot of luck into the upper middle class from the middle class. So we have to find thoughtful ways of doing it and. Actually in inadvertently quoted in some newspaper last week about does having twenty one million dollars rather than twenty million and five hundred thousand dollars. Make you live a day longer. Riot happier. Now, you know, there's a there's a great op Ed I just read newer times yesterday. One the philosophy essay talks about the good enough life. We we need to find a way to make his Mark Warner my pal the center says we need to rethink what twenty percent to capitalism really is. And I think it's gonna have a greater concern with the wealth of every American. So he started they say Medicare for all. I'd almost rather get down to say, let's find a way to make sure that we understand healthcare is a basic right in every American deserves universal. Carson buyer were at a time. But when you get the president's tax returns, would you please come back and share it with us on skulduggery with permission of. Thanks for joining us. I give center. Thanks, congressman. Before we sign off understand. We have a quick update from the courthouse where judge Jackson was holding a hearing on Roger stone and his provocative Instagram. Posting showing a picture of the judge with a crosshairs next to it. Yeah. And the judge basically gave Roger stone gag order. He is no longer allowed to publicly speak about his case. He had argued this was necessary for his livelihood, and she's going to potentially shut him up. If he obeys the order, which I guess means he cannot be a guest on skulduggery. So a loss for political dialogue there. Thanks to congressman, Don Byer. Zach Everson for joining us on this episode of skulduggery. Don't forget to subscribe to skulduggery on apple podcasts. Wherever you listen to your podcast and tell us what you think Lieber review waste episode is also on Sirius XM on the weekend. 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