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Podcast Ep42: July 12 2019

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Podcast Ep42: July 12 2019

"This is trying to talk podcast brought to you by Sharon Gaskin of the trainers training company and and meet that test you get that cost line over the next hour or so. We'll discuss what we've been up to in our businesses top of my topics relevant trainers a cool tool to use online and an event to consider of course it wouldn't be trying to talk focused without the dog walking digest and we'll also cover listener letters specific issues sent to us by you you can contact us through twitter on at Traina tour poured or feel free to email other Sharon. Only if you've got a challenge you'd like us to cover so why not sit back with a cuppa make that journey or Choco little bit quicker with a weekly inspiration developing your training business. Welcome okay welcome. This is trying to poke cost. I and we are at episode number forty two and of course you know the thing about the number forty two it is of course the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything according to the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy say I think we need to say anything more about an forty to really know you could absolutely literally everything K. so Sharon. Tell us about your week last week anything exciting how well we'll yes. I'm very exciting. Choose Day. We have the best episode trainers look inside decided no. You're quite right considering. I know very well what's coming but yeah wow yet. She's attached late at night. You feels like a long time since last Tuesday when it was what have been doing this we though China's will confide that was previously absurb last week. I don't know why as maybe there's just a lot going on books and China's hope inside it yet do the best one I'll facebook on cheese state and it was sandwich. Forty seem to come down <hes> an accident stole. It was really nice to check equal untalented about what's been happening in the chain so community kiss as we keep saying awful lot that that happens in the week and then the woods when done really well as a proud recipient or one of the recipients of the Big Cup go pence eh eight dismay midnight it works on the same principle as what we tax people in August and said Oh we gave you mentioned. We'll know that this is going to be a wall see. They showed up to see it's true. It's true people do like mention. That's for sure you like mentioned so just in case. You're not China to open up to anyone at times. Look inside quickey will just detect three so we had a win of the week so that was a joint way between Alex Hewlett Ambuhl Haaretz. We had a big accounts load he as pleading out that compass and that was you all. I know yeah eh creates your Michaels of people. Watching weeks is amazing which we talked about the last week we date yet. I can't young also faced lives in jeopardy. Komo visible gets a detailed award because you know we look dumps in China so dumb we always and and Wacky town ward as somebody who <hes> you know because stocks or the Roy's face nice to see you say we start the extra bile and always make you feel better yet. You said Whakatane Award is somebody who I felt had done that. That award venture event again join winner between benefit at Boston at O._G.. Kaufman then finally we had to seek support and this is to somebody who I felt you know this could be real champion of China tour and has actually rope people into our membership community back when to Sarah Goldman Mattis Craig Colored Sim joins directly on Gareth Recommendation Bereket. That was very exciting at a bit of phone so that's GonNa be every Tuesday clock. You need to the macro. China's folks come in today the phone so what else happened last week we had a leasing of all transfer likely this invade yep yeah and that was really just too because the three now trying to cool so we at Cambridge the Ami at Manchester step this is just a chance to get will the niece together anxious to get the ones who had done that China to Michael's to give some feedback into what worked what didn't and so for those of view next oh please you know it was quite nice to just sit down. How hansel and encouragement is to a works didn't so so it was great? It was really useful session. I thought <hes> and it was good that we were able to get as many local leaders on there as we could because it's always difficult trying to coordinate. People's diaries isn't a and find find something coming this convenient for everybody and I know the original date and time that you had planned just couldn't happen. Real Salsa reasons not least because we couldn't get anybody. They're dirty held him so <music> C._S.. So having a the revised time it was great that we could get so many seventieth leaders there such going again for the first time yeah exactly so yeah so so it's really really good to hear how bad founded oversee to listen to the importance of cake because it is crucial for these things to go well. We know this from trying to live right. GotTa have good cake. If you have good cake hike then it go okay but it won't goes what is it could have done so so yeah so I just <hes> especially I think for for the people that haven't either done open events before or done anything like this before now. I'm quite fortunate in the I've done a few of these sorts of things so I'm well aware of the potential pitfalls I know the venue that I'm going to for example use it for other stuff other similar types of events that I run <hes> the certainly for those people that knew to doing something like this are new to the venue they're going to be using you can go and have a site visit gems coming back in again now you can you can plan something and you can have a site visit to the venue until you actually hold the event. You don't realize the things that you assumed that you forgot talk about all the things that you didn't realize he needed needed to know or say or do the venue on all of those sitting little things that have the potential to upset the upper call on the day so to speak <hes> and so having that experience of people who have been that dumbness and I think I can't remember who it was. It might been natalie who said to them. You know thank you for being wants to go first to to entering at Jeddah because it does help to <hes> if you've not done something about before to have somebody go first so you can hear their experience so it was great really good. Do you think that's why she decided not to do that. Could be who knows knows. I'm sure Oh that's not the case but yeah maybe we discovered his strategy. Play very mind. Yummy people going bonkers release on Day Sony. It's crazy believable Oguz foof elites now in the long term. It's very out but great. So how did you think it went. Did it through work. The way that you'd intended it to be me does meeting actually asked take everything that I will seek to get yeah and just to just to keep everybody else cuties to share what worked what didn't work <hes> although I have to say <hes> pretty Moteki thin seems to work so far the amazing a really successful I think we have been the bigger and debated about people's expectations got people that is not trying to sort live night now and a half fifty people there. Could it be walking to him and in be balancing your Coffee Cup by talking to somebody else you could actually sit down exactly whole kind of local need saying it can it is important. Probably anybody is coming along and get accent at the not disappointed because I never set is not accessible so yeah yeah good good good all right so that was likely Disney takes yet. What he said were all votes to the next one because the mark Williams is up next is may in writing by the seaside? Oh yes day a medical book across China so we day we day next week is very popular very popular indeed indeed. Do you saying that talking chick. Maybe I mean naturally. I've picked up picked the week. That is one of the most popular certainly in the month. The is the most popular but I think a lot of is going to be <hes>. I quite like actually I have to say when when I was looking at something that was listing out all the dates it was quite nice to be able to see that they are spread out over a few months so the there's lots of choice in terms of location and. End Date as well for people which will give us a really good spread so instead of everybody trying to do everything in the same week of the same months which I think would call cause untold stress for for you actually trying to keep track of everything going on at the same time it must have been bad enough just having the two going on the first two going on on the same my goodness yeah it was really as when I heard about one o'clock they see no news is good news. I'm sure somebody said in the meeting but yeah we'd like to but yeah the Yes. I'll just concentrate a mark is we can see how his his does. I'm sure it will can really bother got. That lovely Kinko's some very brighton isn't it. I can say that because my brother brother lives there so I know it very well. He's lived full the twenty years <hes> so I have visited often and yet they'd see it's definitely got a an assertion air about and rocking horses in the corner of just adding to to that so there's like a great venue actually really good really good well. We've got generally speaking. I mean there've been a few sort of teething troubles and and I'm sure that they'll be some places that we might not go back to again but by and large there some crack in venues across the different events over many many not into victory cake some sperry ethic <unk> over just having that it's getting a ride five is not yet anyway is kind of coporate less. It's going to be sort of wool. Welcoming conveyed yeah had nice relaxed blind to it you know so what is places that easy to find yeah yeah yeah Seinfeld said good exactly exactly when we live and learn with all these things for for sure so yes on should be getting my head around everything that I need to work out for mine line which is a week from Friday bombers so that'll be good <hes> and I've also just purely by coincidence. I've got another event in the same venue next week as well for for something else that I do <hes> so but that's on on Tuesday evening <hes> I know I know the people that run the facility really well and and there there was very good <hes> to anyway so I've got no worries that we're going to get the warm welcome. We're GONNA GET K- could we're GONNA get in a k. i. cake and then other than that. What else is there frankly okay so that was the <hes> luckily meeting so what else happened? Las Week Sharon anything so I was going to get away with that while I didn't they so the quiet week the way you know one of the things we don't have many appointments so they just haven't had the Chinese likely <unk> inside of the medallion citing three tesla great among died apartment backs yeah of course that up that one dimension clients at should we reschedule okay. This is like you know get everything to see that yeah bonus week or days where you not yet. Sometimes you think oh it's relatively free and then something happens. You think I've got a lot free time brilliant. I can get with stuff yeah exactly well. Then my friends sports talk with you know you meant that you he he does his alleged job ghost whipple to to wait syntheses by the slide of the code taste chosen. You know I always give you water job one job that he has to get the ticket obviously obviously on so this day he ought to the point that you got to panic that he take so Adamski with his wife overseas in my best friend and it was like Oh should we should we should we go into this other payment you know but she didn't have send cool to kiss audible to kiss. I knew that I needed graph was playing because he's <unk>. Joel anew junker ditch P._M.. sensical which I think not what to say so that was actually fine by me and I look down there that half the jaw eighty no. I don't think have you might be laid off to cool. She got peaceful and then of course you could just evander <unk>. Act Cycle is wild yes and so we go now. We're going to do it so then going into Palette that about you know Pumpkin. Macabre hub obviously missed the deadline which was previous Friday for blockading Wimbledon Car Part Yeah but really stood lucky because I just went online got one of those rabbi Wimbledon so everybody has houses the driveway likewise out yes and I went online at fat fabulous websites and the people did it came across this House that had a space speak for Friday and also and he put lots of reviews. He's on that these people yeah literally just yesterday the day before you know it was by the old review so they have nice they were lovely book that instruct way and he was literally five minutes for facts mazing Pathak Auditor. It's quite hilly round there so there's five minutes and then there's five minutes five minutes for the and so well of course that bands concern is a goal that so and I had to Sibusiso Tout. We'll just actually now see now. I'm going to be prepared so I and then I had put the campaign Dole because I you know I gotta be there. Private <unk> said you have to be that that take full advantage to date right left time about seven but then you go through this coal hoboken again traffic you know business stressed all the time but it was fine. It was absolutely great. I wish that excellent article to Tan well done and the lack scene eventually the accomplished would billion in the cooking for you won't keys and that you've been in five minutes before we obey basically your car for your million race. That's fantastic Weitz Sarah so yes that into the grounds unfortunately derives about our issues coming from bunches to the Stability Stockland yeah so yeah so she did get book but that was fine because I- tensely abused smicer uncounted that work then what did you get out Sharon is if I didn't know you see gays well. I did watch some doubles. I Damn kid use headed the sutter tennis attacking by buying used today and he plays and he hit his pounder with the makes the Bulls say much news billion they wouldn't and it was great and it's quite touching down as well that is fine well then as essential anew laugher walsum declaring their aways deems finding Webby is great for stoker go of them. Yeah I know that obviously in your practice unity's practicing now so I went round that longtime juicy record that initially avenue dammit Goff on who was election time two grades so what should a practice while on at this point. I was seeing everybody yet so I so tactical suggesting only ah so under the desk though I saw him to. Oh stay I suppose that can also Sebok. I saw like everybody but Raffarin so it was a case then not at which point Loyd was back to Komatsu wanted vans look outside causes to that now. My friends had means said Oh on here now. I'm here so okay well. Let's see what I got on head Baxter the practice area away p there because I'm just going to have another look and see new astounding that King. My Body is healed a nice saw. I'm standing on this wall books. See the distance show that strife his dad's vicinity did what's your guess a little faster and not coach his team. Those definitely was some stats about. This thought that I won't be yeah. You really essentially like you. You know you could reached out and whip the cap off his head now too. That's how you get arrested. It's a fine line Michelle Complex Day because I always do it now. My what I gave is on premises I have never failed yet oh to see it well. That's proper devotion and dedication that is it got to know. The news got an tree tree tree tree nats no. Glad <unk> relax them because mission had been accomplished so that we ended up to two cool that Thailand the Hash Melvin Batista Gig match and then the and then MEDVEDEC which and a half to amend the seat we were literally right at the front by the top officials clearly with photography's eight was amazing onto the match itself Jost we privilege to be that because the level went to five sets the level of tennis was unbelievable full one time in the fix the managed to get comeback win and he's taking place anyway okay yeah because he looks like it's his scenarios. He looks like right particularly in back. I was watching you practice. I message as embodied video but I just like what she knew. I'm sure would love to be at that level. I'm sure she set what punches to which from the exciting has created for 'em but it was phenomenal. The crowd really got behind him on the used car took that everybody was supposed today in the air is really eh and so yeah but had to laugh the sack stay came back heading up watch table all again the B plates. He got a different spectrum tech you so remember that list to I Teddy Wall took about five minutes days off because I just all over the telly yeah sign underneath same wanted for stalking rougher there yeah the era of again the phone cameras coming to talk about so it was it was a phenomenal matchy was absolutely amazing. We sat affidavit full unwound by the time we have. We had a few Greg's where we just we put it was very hard. Religion Lot showed until behind clouds so could ties. We went out just to wolf. Sobriety put majority of the time. We sat that after that we laughed we went two. It was accidentally he. It was just a never seen seventy people because what happened. All of the outside courts have pretty much stocks that Santa caught by this time then everybody preceded Henman Hill yeah yeah and watch the you know the cocoa gough yes yellow who an eight was on believable. How many people will land onto this little space yet the accent we sat there about ten minutes ace looks at me? She discovered not raining so sitting there in the middle of everybody stood a Chapel Strobe Raziq many now I can imagine it's not the Nice pleasant experience. Just what will not fair enough. I mean you don't want to spoil the day De Having had such good day up until that point you kind of lost memory to be of sitting in amongst sticky sticky strawberry kind of crushed into just two people at one place. I mean I can imagine being the <hes> luck. It's packed when Andy Murray's in the final isn't it did Henman L. is rammed and you can imagine that an amazing experience to be a part of the atmosphere when that's happening but when it's just kind of the end of the day and yeah case cocoa coffee is something of a sensation at the moment and you know whether or not that continues or how that pans out whatever but it's not quite at the level where you'd need to be out to say I was there when people just going absolutely bonkers and it was really the news local whistle believable <hes> well now had had enough. I need seen Rothfusz. I've everything that was going to be an anti-climax right maxine by that stage will turn out blackouts at ten bucks so I said then I got home about the Lamido Kherson play yeah and then a cool you to stand on economic stimuli highs the. Sit there with a glass of wine and you Kinda. You know really all and we'll have a man on the Saturday stocks to shatter detachment recovery so I just have to but fortunately Wimbledon's depends on the day so I just watched <hes> Wimbledon premature both thing I saw I saw a bit of a subsidy which some good nee crush on more <hes> yeah a little bit of the thing that made me laugh over the weekend. I was GonNa ask you come across the parody. Twitter account called Sudafed now. I know you know Van cise funny. Did you see the block the time that he wrote the weekend now. I'm sure it was done and started originally out of love and respect for the rest of it but it is so safe funny <hes> say for anybody that hasn't come across it just search twitter for Sudafed P._S._e.. You take it is very funny. Chew Them. Maybe it does read fulls any kind of <hes> feelings that you might have about the man especially if you call Sharon Gaskin it's written for the points of view of him being very self-centered egocentric and with all this stuff to the rest of it but the block that was written at the weekend was saying wasn't it will about me. I can't believe that that you're talking about other people when Wimbledon also about me but the thing that made me really laugh was the one of the very first references was to conspiracy theory and I'm not talking about the draw which may be love because you'd said about how he always gets already Paul well because this is a person you ever watch each cleaning chick remind graphic because you're supposed to say it's always the same exactly exactly exactly but yes so that that was very funny. I read that thought to be that made me laugh out loud that so that was pretty good week fear that a high sex science and this time next week I will not record it. Might we just as well. He knows what's going to happen this week. When Bolton this is true? This is true so so yes I think either way will ever happens is probably a good thing that would would not recording next Monday. I should imagine you're going to be hoarse from shouting at the telly on the assumption of course that things go the way we want them to but of course if they don't then you're going to be very very disappointed in that doesn't make your podcast go to last year's divall gates that was hard enough money and and <hes> yeah I will say that it might rain him still finding <music> now that as well though that was awful fate is not good because we need rapid binding sunshine absent high over business contain sub because on one hundred starts to the wing design miss out that he wasn't going to win win because you have such a took Joe Energy constellations reading potent fun tournaments yet. GotTa get free this week with late in the tank again comes back to buy in full tubbies long. Five sections and Minnesota is draw God. That's going to be so hard because he's he's competent job. Anybody reminds how quickly he's managed to get through that drew. Every I'm kind of get more harmful Maso all right. Should we put our listeners CNAS after the mystery and stop talking about tennis so that I can just quickly recap my week. <hes> just obviously no in week last week last week was it went really quickly actually so I know what you mean about it feeling like ages since the sort of things that I'm looking at my daren going. Oh yeah that happened a year that happened but that feels like ages ago okay so <hes> loss we sort of had a few bits and pieces to do including <hes> some non work related stuff one of which actually is relevant to our top of mind topic today so we'll talk about that later biohazard lots of little bitty things to do which tenter <hes>. I don't know if you find this when you've got lots of little bitty things to to do it tends to take up so much time entitle the ECON of you you get the end of the week and you think go. What did I actually do last week? What did I g because you getting Siamese sort of city little things done and not all of the city little things I had to do anything to do with business as well so it was things like having to pop up to monster to borrow the hedge trimmer shrimp because that he just do some gardening city things like that actually takes about an hour and a half two hours out of my day or my evening evening as it turned out because it's not just a question of going up there? Picking <unk> hedge trimmer going 'cause chip's informed today isn't Shea in and out in and out the sound why she she goes on. This line is starting having in the mid second. Yeah sorry about that. Worry it's fine. I'm I've decided I'm not gonNa take it personally but she does it went. I'm talking yes. So you can just if you if you boring something ecoconscious guys thanks very much and leave again so I stayed for a cup of Tia and then inevitably the tech support questions come out so to fix a laptop or do something or workout outweigh. Something's not working the way it should that thing which is fine. I'm pretty confident that many of us will be able to relate to that one <hes> if we have <hes> Michio parents who are perhaps <hes> trying to wrestle with wouldn't technology monchy that said since yesterday my mother now has a more up-to-date I find that I do but there we go. That's a whole other story said bits and pieces like that going on but one of the the things that are most excited about in geeked out about is that I got a second chance at a special offer on a set of software and for anybody that uses things like Photoshop. You'll know uh-huh that comes from Adobe Adobe also do <hes> p._d._F.'s so I would imagine that most people have got the ability to read p._d._f.. Documents through acrobat reader what she's an adobe product while adobe have a a whole suite of stuff <hes> which includes things like photoshop which is <hes> the grown up version of Kansas for making images and photos and that kind of thing but it also has other design programs <hes> has has movie editing a movie editing suite and something called after-effects which enables you to sort of cool after-effects into your videos and stuff. It's a real sort of for me as a game changer in terms of video making ability but I have to say the most excited about is the ability to do character animation and the way it does it. You have to put all the different layers in place. It's quite labor intensive burr once you've got all the layers in place it will allow you to animate characters by reading your facial expressions three webcam which is just extraordinary so that the potential for being able to to work with stuff like that and for what can be produced not only for my stuff but also as a service to to be up to offer out to people as well <hes> is really quite exciting so I got very excited about that and I previously passed up the opportunity to buy it at the discounted rate because I couldn't justify the purchase the time quite just purchase at the time so when it came around again and I always had two teenage boys rather known boys remorse about that so when it came round the next time I had subsequent conversations with a few people the undo some collaborative stuff with <hes> and <hes> now there is a genuine reason for for that being something that is <hes> that I can justify as part of the business part of the business expense so I'm I'm a happy Little Geek. It has to be said although I haven't had the opportunity sure just to play around with it very much <hes> the moment but it will be happening so I'm very excited about that and then most of most of my Friday <hes> was spent gardening which is not a passion of mine in the slightest <hes> with the wet weather that we touted June and then the dry weather that we've had in July the the hedge in the garden of just sort of exploded and it was gently tickling people's heads as they walked past so it was time to get all of that sort of sorted out and done and dusted so that was quite hard work <hes> for most of the most the day on Friday and yes <hes> all in all. It's kind of <hes> everything's gone by in a bit of a whirlwind. I think <hes> in in the last week but we we march on everyone what's and all the rest of it and one of the things that I did last week was time out to have a sports massage which I get done pretty much monthly <hes> every now and again this warm missed for for various reasons <hes> but it's something that I've done <hes> with the exception of a two year stint where <hes> the my my friend who does the schools massage wasn't available. The husband was posted overseas. <hes> I've had one every month since nine teen nine twenty eight nine thousand nine something like not so about twenty s <hes> and it's really important part of my self care routine <hes> on a on a monthly basis so I think that leads quite nicely into our top of mind topic doesn't it for this week <hes> which is all around self care and we discussed this that we know we've talked about the importance of taking a break from from your work but that was more about planning a holiday or planning a sort of a longer break away from what you're doing to recharge your batteries <hes> and this sort of idea. This notion of self care is more about the things that you do on a day to day or a month to month basis in order to give yourself a little bit of breathing space in order to get yourself away from having your yourself so a heavy buried in in what you're doing. That's working on your business or in your business. <hes> you know we can only think as people who are self-employed. We run the risk of almost feeling guilty if we if we take a bit of time out it was something uh-huh definitely struggled with when I first started the idea that I could if I need it to stop while I was doing to go and put part of Washington or Nick Down to the supermarket jeering inverted commas normal working hours <hes> I mean I. I don't know if the was the same for you. It's all Sharm when you first started. Absolutely I was absolutely terrible thirty bind tonight. This one is thought to China's training carbonate I have so little time is this I literally have about three hours in the morning because I used to take the kids to school and then a tech giant walk and then by the time I got back it was about two and a half nine or something like that yeah I'm Ben Act to go pick by generally twelve thirty and from schooling and taking twitch bastion and then I might do it. D._C.'s Moloch took into Carlos of their generally. My of quote production house was such a neither. It'll so the trump etching twelve raiding on so an yet because of that I wouldn't that we'd get to the stage where especially Ashley have no food in Ryan Kaufman. Go ahead. You know govern want restock. Also there 'cause uncle get finish up on sewing doing it in in my business and I think I'm definitely the GO-TO lot better over the years and we were talking about about the steeple. We will be saying we take the ducks. Go Ball not something that we have to do you know in com- computers all day because we have to activate the Tech Award and then a nice schedule about me but I basically but I schedule in calendar because it makes Tissot time and then the other thing obviously now that that schedule time for this is the Jim which are now that that you do as well. I have a China on the reason why I decided assault <unk> is because it makes me go yeah the point of it somebody so scheduled Monday Wednesday Friday three o'clock now if it wasn't scheduled that I know of would go because what would happen doc ID is I'd be sitting at my computer tendency. I'll get to the gym at three and then it'd be like how fast now gets so. It's the discipline the plane sent you that that makes me go yeah totally tightly agree and they're definitely <hes> I have an appointment three times a week <hes> for the strength training the why do you have to book that in beforehand. The only slight variations that is on a Wednesday where actually I'm normally quite flexible for any of the three evening appointments and I leave it to my coach to tell me which one he wants me to come in for <hes> <hes> <hes> because I can be flexible and they take a maximum of four people at a time for this particular program <hes> and and other people so rubbish booking chest. It's fine for me to be up to go but I can. I can get five fifty. I think he got six thirty. I can get some forty. Five is no problem <hes> an an unfortunate in being you know freelance or working for myself. I do have that flexibility to do that but you're so-so right. If I didn't have somebody somebody there waiting for me I know for sure they would have been several occasions over the last few weeks months where I would have got to the time where I absolutely had to leave and Gone Arch No. I'm just too tired or I'm you know I I'd me to carry on working on this thing more. Whatever it might be the excuses will kick in or I need to put the washing on or I need to go to the supermarket or something else that that is supposedly more pressing and <hes> and I think that the trump trap that we we can fooled into is if we don't have these things sheduled <hes> we can kind of find it too easy to to put them off and I don't <hes> for example? I don't shed into my Dari. The duck walks because I know I'm going out with him three times a day the first morning lunchtime and and lasting in the evening <hes> however when I'm trying to fit all the things around it I know I have to fit around at some point usually near the hours of twelve to two. I'm going to have to take him down to the road down the field for a half hour <hes> just to give him a quick stretch of legs <hes> <hes> a good sniff around that kind of thing. I know the in the morning on each take him out for three quarters of now to an hour. I know in the evening same thing <hes> so I have to shot everything else I want to do in and around that commitment <hes> I mean that said it eats. It's a commitment obviously too miserable. Somebody else's something else <hes> it to to my dog but also it forces me to take time away from the computer like you were saying and I know I'm like if I didn't have him and I have done this all on the few occasions where he's been staying at my mom's because I've had. Other things I needed to do or I wanted to take advantage of of not having to take him out for walks because I needed to work through. I will get my cup of tea and I'll sit down desk in a dressing gown and that'll be it until it gets dark and you sort of you know you lose track of time because she working on stuff or you feel like you have to work on stuff. You have to keep going. You have to just do this one more thing just check that what one more email answer that one more email whatever it might be and and I think that is the danger. The that we running see is that we don't force ourselves to take these mini breaks which force ourselves to do the self care thing <hes> and okay so we talk about putting the washing on the market that might not sound like self care but actually if if you've got no one else to to do those things or it's you know part of the deal for whatever living situation is that you are responsible Johnson for doing those things then getting done in itself is much self care as as going for nail treatment or get your hair call or going to the gym or whatever having a message like I do or occasionally the chiropractor appointments said and I can get going Wimbledon having the opportunity to do you know about that Sam behind. I serious points about this because you know I have been cool town this how I've learned so you know a few years ago fancheng comes pepper year Wimbledon comes up every year. There's tennis goes on oil alone. We let you watch a lot of it but a lot of it. Sometimes it's not convenient time-wise taking China will America whatever Australia's simple the ones that are the big ones arena times the whole place season deny unchecked Wimbledon and I've been cold out so emme times in previous series where we've got to those leagues diarrheas eventful stole several strata because I've been sitting here not being able to go watch it and what what I did now is at the start of the year. He's caught my scheduling process block. How because I know that now I can? I can choose to go block that they stay. I know that those are the weeks and so not going to count your many things in pine no I'm I want to watch that semifinal second by me. Yeah those who stated if I'm not able to do it so please is thinking ahead to think that maybe trying to save a lot of people in the track. All you know they have training business H.. Just all about delivering training and a Lotta people site snake quite often quite one attention. Oh Yeah I could do because I'm the would you not day <hes> I'll say what won't you a gift today. Yeah out I WANNA meet is unknown to they. China Import. You'll business is about so much more than just delivering chiming exactly though you know one of the things news on talk about this to one of my will mention clients last week is that you know having a massive big wall panel you do counter whatever you step back from it and he look in your year what other things that need to schedule day. Eh Delivering Training Yeah Yeah H marketing it should issue South Carolina activities achieve. This is important to do that because what you have is a realistic picture uh of what Your Business looks like and the things that you need to do to keep your business woman because it is about so much wool than delivering China Guess Yeah so trey it so very true. <hes> and I mean and I we've we've discussed this before when we talk about <hes> people coming to events and things like that and I know that one of our local leaders has recently had a conversation with somebody who said well you know on need to lead leave. Leave it till the last minute because if I'm delivering that day well okay when you when you there are some days some days that come along the is too good opportunity to pass up etc etc but let's not fool ourselves. You are still making an active choice that that that thing is more important than anything else. You've got planned on that day however certainly in my experience and I know it's true for yours. When you first talking to a client or potential client about possible delivery? It's not that often often that they are incredibly inflexible on the dates of delivery and especially if they're if you're in a situation where you are the person they identified that they want to work with if you're in the early stages Zapata off negotiation war is the problem in turning around and saying that that we will be bit tricky for me. How about following week all that day is is <hes> you know I could do to push but I'd rather not what else have? You got all that sorta thing in just because the client says Oh are you available on the nineteenth of July <hes> well known I'm not unfortunately I have another commitment that day then not saying you must be available otherwise I'm never going to give you any working on that's it. Our relationship is over. That's that's the subtext of what they're saying so it it follows for me that if you have something sheltered in such as <hes> I need to be watching Wimbledon that day the organ from massage appointment or whatever it might be those times are sacred to you are allowed to have those things in order to to give yourself a bit of balance in in what you're doing and a bit of time away from from a business and you shouldn't feel guilty about saying you don't have to say oh. No you know I'm going to get announced on on that day. That's why can't do your work Klein in just say to them <hes> yeah. I'm not fundable not day. All that will be a bit tricky if if you are if you are all prepared to move something you know just push back a little bit and say is there. Is there any possibility of something else or whatever now yes of course there can be occasions where something comes along and and I know you're astounding for somebody else or is networking event in an it's somebody else's schedule their calendar and it's the data's been fixed for long time. We'll you still have a choice about that. You know if you decide to do it. We'll find but I'm not choice for. I start <hes> boots. Don't don't fall into the trap of thinking that it's not just as important to have time for you to do things that feed you Nari Shoe and do whatever whether that that is getting a massage I do go to the gym like we do. Take you talk for walk whatever it might be if you don't have a dog then. You don't have a reason to do something like that. We've talked about this before as well but see where you can. Shed you something in even if it's right. I'm going to go on facebook the half an hour <hes> you know an an now myself thought destruction you could close that to self care. If it's something that brings you pleasure and joy and makes you feel good on GonNa sit here and say that no it doesn't count a self cat. That's ridiculous. Of course it counts. If it's something that makes you feel better on the whole point of this on I say this often is that you know this is your business and the business and make it work for Hugh Count All yourself to you know to schedule these things of duty sings GonNa make you feel so much faster than you might as well not have a business comey do yeah yeah exactly exactly that and you know I do get the when you'll particularly <hes> if you're in the early stages of establishing your business and you're trying to <hes> get yourself known get your name out there all that kind of stuff <hes> it can be it can be difficult to give yourself permission to go and do something during Wa- Traditionally Working Hours <hes> but trust me you'll soon get used to the fact that they're all. There's no such thing as traditional working I was for free on says that's for sure but at the same time take take pleasure in in having that little for some of the guilty pleasure of nipping out in doing something <hes> while he can until he until such time as you get used to it <hes> because you know you you will get used to just having a different routine <hes> about things shore but don't fall into the trap. Please please is pleased. I fall into the trap of thinking that you have to be acted solidly all the time and all of you weekends because that's how you fall into the trap of of gist burning yourself out and and getting completely exhausted in which case you know good to anybody and you're certainly me not gonna be your best friend delivery <hes> if that's the case right yet yeah exactly and the thing come out of this too simple a bit of a mind shift change which I think you so they could probably talk about on the day that that is important because this doesn't happen unless you change you thinking about to say True Trey and I think we've talked a little bit about mindset and what have you. I think what will probably do is that happened back and see specifically what we've covered because mindset. I know we talk about a law in pieces here and there <hes> but mine says he cheech thing and we can have a brilliant mindset about some things and then completely miss how that can be deployed hi to it to elsewhere in all business and how much better off we would be in how much more we would enjoy things if we just flipped that little switch US I speak but yeah I mean you know whatever self-care means to you <hes> whatever you feel is something that would give you a pleasure and joy in a chance just to step away from the business whether that's for five minutes or five hours <hes> and just allow yourself a little bit decompression time and space to breathe more than anything else <hes> whatever that ease making sure that you you hold that sacred for yourself. This is not the big stuff. This is not if I can just get to the end of July then we'll have two weeks holiday because we know what happens there you spend the first week winding down from work and then you spend the second week worrying about getting back into the first back week back into work is busy catching up on everything. Everything and it doesn't feel like a break in the end. That's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is the daily stuff that you can do just to <hes> give yourself a little bit of self care a friend of mine actually <hes> he <hes> <hes> es in America she runs a group called Brag out loud is drag out loud and celebration central and the whole premise of it is that you you brag about things that otherwise you might let slip buyers as relatively unimportant you can brag out loud about hey? I cleaned out the fridge this weekend. I'M GONNA break out out about that and in order to celebrate I had a a nice cup of herbal tea and it gets it's those sorts of things where you make a big song and dance dance about the seemingly ordinary stuff to really kind of reinforce this idea of I've done a good thing I'm going to I'm going to have a celebration and a celebration doesn't have to be we'll see you don't sing. Let's get the SECO- out a celebration can be. I'm just take five minutes with this Nice Cup of tea and enjoy it and really savor the taste and I love love the idea of that that you sort of give yourself a little mini pat on the back for doing something that lots of other people might go here and and then you have a little mini celebration even if it's just yourself but the facebook group that she is a place where people go in and it doesn't matter what they brag ISM will their celebration is everybody is just got yeah pretty well. W Such enough the idea. I love that already do we can say that was self care yet. Dope walking digest apart from going in and out of the room a lot today. What's Gendron up to so? I'm a Dope Walking Digest. She's Mr on walks this week to be on his because he didn't really heart ACLU's a couple of times in the afternoon. where I just saw is not going to take her out because you're back before we're just because she's black as well yeah nineteen oh she just gets raiding hall and I did see Games on facebook? Cosa wet out is horrible picture on the Docks Pool. Oh 'cause they combine that on the Tarmac Kia. Oh that's horrible. You know a sandwich yes. She was so yes we spent a bit not as an active this week she normally would be. You won't stop nickelback afternoon. Found fine with that is it went to any home. Steve Hawes anytime to people in the know exactly and I think if a a nice golden for them to go into then missing out every now and again is a biggie <hes> for sure <hes> scam will absolutely bug me if we don't go out and down to the failed <hes> or down to the Paul three times a day I can just get away with it. Amongst Nice backyard and my garden is is a bit of a postage stamp so he really goes out there. <hes> lasting at night low last night big drama there was other account or a Fox in the garden but he clearly disturbed so all of a sudden we hear is this sort of scrambling through the Gulbuddin something shot through the head. I will quick enough to see what it was just wasting for himself out but that was we had to do so said tree patrol patrol up and down the the newly trimmed hedge <hes> so we could keep an eye on any pesky cats or foxes coming back whichever one it was could feasibly in both <hes> there has been a neighborhood cat recently that sir trying to mark his golden as its territory and he's not having any of that so it's high drama in the garden last night but so yeah as far as walking at lunchtime is concerned. We're really lucky in the IT's thirty seconds to to a minute to get down the road into the wooded area and even with some last summer they say the tests don't those if you can put your back the back of your hand onto the pavement the surface that you're asking you to walk on and you can hold your hand there. It's not too hot for your dog's paws which I thought was really good rule of thumb but he's absolutely fine going down there and he likes he just likes to have a little sniffer wonder around <hes> in the cool of the woods and I must admit is quite pleasant on very home day just to be doing the same and guessing that sort of twenty minutes half an hour away from the desk to do that so that's good. She didn't make enough yet yesterday at the park so you know she has to save wet because she's recipient brutal will children in children's obsessed with children and those we'll continue to caucus today. There were a couple with with with children that so she didn't know what she just makes me lie Michael Than So. I had to go this while they'll stroke. Investment checked you. Do I got love lacing. She looked me toques. How old is she said? I've sat she twelve and a half. I told you not got snow that you would and then for the issue as though she's a caucus Lhasa j just happen is she in cross raw degree very bounced. Yes judge said have you been Oh. Ah I say well. They we are scam as we know is is cross with something Jack Russell Cross with something not sure what but we teach quite early owning getting him. I joked that his kennel name would be something like Lord scam delicious Doodo because what's it tessier and some I tap into put this one of the facebook groups. I was on at the time and Sunday. She took me seriously instead. Oh how wonderful where do you show him because I know the name of the Joke Lauderdale and Right Anybody Smith stalking digest so events. What are the trainers told locals coming up Sharon deed Friday <hes> we've got to seaside yet without Bryson with Mark Williams in China <unk> Java Ah that's taking place revolution in Bryson which looks coup quickey named Dayton Coles? Yes indeed yes indeed or I think what's next week and the next week we got to got next three resumes several go kart it. Sorry the that we got caught it on this diet on. We've got you on the Friday. We mentioned it several times case I will as usual will put all the details on the show notes for people that are interested in that and of course sir any other venues and us as well because pretty much think all the details are on there for the next <hes> the next venues coming up in in each location so that's good exit okay so notebook this week but we've talked about the vast size. Is this week to Beijing. Yes hashtag priorities yeah quite so let's move swiftly on to the cool online tool and this week I have found a website called old foil hippo dot com F.. I L. E. H.. I. P. O. Dot Com and effectively it is a site where you can download the latest versions of bits of software and there's a couple of advantages is to be able to do this. The first is that sometimes we might come across in the course of browsing and looking for <hes> tool to use for something in particular we might come across a website that says oh hey download this thing. It's the answer to your prayers or whatever it might bay and he just saying okay. I don't know where this is coming from and I want to protect my computer and and we should all have virus protection on our computer anyway but just in case what you can do is actually download it through file hippo you and they will guarantee it will be virus and malware free. That's a great starting point and the other thing that is good for ease if you are using the free tool and they bring out an updated version of it <hes> and you instantly update take version you think actually I don't really like that. Don't get their or breaks something else that you'll using you just for whatever reason want to go back to the previous version file hippeau will have the archived previous version so you can you can use this over rollback tool <hes> in that respect and it is free to use so I will put the link in the show notes as normal and it saying it's GonNa counter live counter on screen on its homepage and so far it has served three billion nine hundred ninety three million three hundred eighty three eighty four thousand and fifty one different downloads and it's going all the time so yes so that was quite a cool little tool for for people if that's the sort of thing that <hes> you're likely to want us so that we are that Wo- wonder folks all right I think we are don't we all yeah. How are we not yet? You don't think of anything else that we need to bowl. I mean detain ominousness with Sipho. Oh you've just so to something. You've got that look well. I I just don't <unk> podcasting notch. 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Wooden Cask, Drunken Hog and Adena - Beer Meets Barbecue

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1:16:05 hr | 1 year ago

Wooden Cask, Drunken Hog and Adena - Beer Meets Barbecue

"And Ladies and Gentlemen Boys and girls. I'm denarlie noman this since Hebrew gas to welcome back to another fantastic week Another episode. You're coming at you from the past to the future because I'm working through the craziest scheduled. I think I've tried to put together for this show trying to prepare for the new clever nickname for number two. I call number one the terrorists. This one's I guess the demon seed. Maybe we'll see maybe he'll be the good one so you have got a baby coming in very short amount of time so I'm trying to make a bunch of shows to try to prepare myself as best as possible. I didn't tell my wife yet but I'm planning so I do a weekly livestream on Monday nights because I need more shows just because I'm a masochist. I guess but I do on Monday nights and it's looking right now like they're scheduling our C. Section for a Monday night. So I haven't told my wife. But I'm probably going to bring up microphones and a laptop to the hospital downstairs and winged podcast from the hospital after we a baby. The last episode. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa figure something out where it wouldn't cask. We are here to talk all things Spear Barbecue. Easy drinking beer. We'll see where this takes us. Let's run around the table. Everybody say I introduce herself so people can hear your voice and know who you are. Hello my name is randy. I'm the head brewer. Here had owner. That wouldn't Casper and company. I Michael The head distributor of DNA distributing and. I am trevor. The owner of the master of Drug Barbecue. Everybody's got way better. Titles an idea. Head distributor head brewer. Pitmasters I gotta come up with something clever Before we dive into everything we need to drink a beer beer. Free Port us a nice big barrel aged Scotch Ale Scottish Ale Scotch. What is the style officially? So Scotch Ale right that we age in new riff Ri- Bourbon Barrels. And the the chose at Rye barrels specifically for this beer. Most of them. We do Bourbon. This one is Ryan. So can we get a little geeky before we dive into the beer itself? What is the difference to Scotch L. and a Scottish Ale or is there a difference there is it's alcohol level really when you're talking about Scottish Ales? Those rooms of the low alcohol beers the three percent up to kind of five five and a half percent range and the Scotch Ale so there was the big high alcohol start around the fibers or seven percent above and this one comes in like twelve fish. Scotch Ale that we do for this On tap it's eight and a half percent alcohol beer and we'd tweet the recipe just a little bit. Forbear Legion then. We try to GET REALLY FRESH BARRELS. And the the alcohol level will bear vary by batch but depends on some. How much is in the barrels? And how we treat them so I think this one's eleven seven so yeah it's it's delicious. I love your barely beers and and maybe it is just that fresh of the barrel that I that I enjoy so much but it. They're they're boozy. They definitely showcase kind of some of the spirit that was in the barrel while still complementing that beer styles so freaking well it just it goes. It goes together. Perfect everything from corruption to this like. It's just it's amazing how you guys do manage to pair up those barrels with the style even down to that that Wind barely decided that. I love that you guys make. It's just it's it's done so well. I don't think that everybody puts that much. Thought maybe into what they're putting in barrels or I don't I don't know what that is but the barrel aging program here is fantastic. And maybe that's why we're here why we're here. What do you guys think about? Let's start there. I I really like this beer when you're drinking at you're not GonNa get overwhelmed with Using fresh barrels. But the beer's not overwhelmed by eating the oak or the kind of the the Ri- that's still in the in that Oak. You'RE NOT GONNA get a ton of Vanilla. It's going to overpower the base beer. You're going to get a little bit of car more you're GONNA get a little bit of Kind of toffee character that you would normally get in the beer and the oak and the vanilla character you get is going to add to it it just kind of pushes it up to another level. I love it. Turns up to eleven point seven trevor. What do you think I think it's great one of the first things that I told random? Boom we started this venture here with him as the barrel character that they get out of. The Beers is one of my favorites of any barrel aged beers that I get. I can't figure out what it is that that makes it so different here than other places. There is definitely a distinct style that you have with your barrel aged beers and there's some really great barely beers and around town. There's some really great barely right here. Northern Kentucky but there's something different about what you do here and I don't know what that is. Well let me share some secrets with so the the big one really is temperature fluctuations. So if you want to have a beer that is has bourbon notes to it right. You can fill the barrel and put it in a cold area. And would when it's when it's cold it tightens up and brings up in. It'll push the bourbon out of the woods. You get a big ass bourbon flavor. This one here so we have. We have stacks and and for this one and we we try to keep it higher. Stacks of it. It goes through some temperature swings. Just learned the Bourbon would and depending on your your temperature swing right when the wood when it gets warm it opens up and the beer goes into it and then you know goes to the temperature. Swing town closes down. So if you're going through the temperature swings the beer will go in and out in and out to be careful on your swings if you go to harp and you get in so I if you if you take a bourbon barrel and cut it open and look at it. You can see how far the Bourbon has gone in and you want to try to keep it in that range so that it goes about as far as the Bourbon did And that way you don't get too much of the UC if you're looking for if you want a beer that's really okay. You can go hot cold hot cold and it'll take a little opened up and the bureau back into the to the part of the barrel that the Bourbon N. touchdowns you'll get some fresh barrel you can squeeze it and it'll it'll give you that the flavor and depending on what you're looking for so we try to mimic the what the. Bourbon barrel goes through so that we We don't have beer going way back into the barrel and getting the new coq. We WanNA keep it into the old oak with a Nice Bourbon. Infused Oh is it just kind of trial and error though figuring out in your space kind of how. How how it reacts and different different places or different parts of the different parts of the Brewery. That kind of thing is just like. Let's try it here and see what this tastes like and then when something hits good or you know or so in the beginning we knew kind of what we're looking for. We knew what we wanted to do with the barrels but signing that place in the building where the temperature swings and getting the the the stack height and all that kind of stuff. That was a little bit of trial and error it. You know. I didn't walk around temperature. Probe trying to figure out where the the the there's a difference between summer and Winter Beers and stuff like that so even if we can treat it the same and the the winter beer actually goes through Moore temperature swings than the summer beer because we have our barrel aging program back actually by a big hanging heater and the that'll actually put it through some some really nice temperature swings then I I favor the beers that were made during the winter and this one is one that was kind of last winter that was spraying brought out so has really really nice barrel character character that the bourbons there a little bit of the barreled oak there. But it's not like you're chewing on. A burnt piece of stick had those fears beforehand on the opposite side of that. I've also had the ones that. Are you know Holy Crap? Is there any beer in this? Bourbon is Olbermann. So are all of. Your fears are single barrels like you're not blending anything from multiple tiers or are there some where you're blending a couple barrels kind of all blends so we are corruption. That's are barely age when we do all year round. We do large batch of that. And the that'll be. Neil eight barrels blended together this this. Scotsman seven zero batch so it's four barrel and as we're going you know you taste each barrel at the end so I'm not a fan of the nail. The nail pulling minimum minimum minimum time has to be in a barrel four months. Don't mess with that. Don't don't even get near it. How how much of a difference is there when you try one barrel to another? I assume that they're all kind of stored in the same General Area. And they are but they're so like when we do corruption. There's eight of those barrels and there's quite a bit of difference. I I'm I'm always amazed at the UH we'll taste it them the smelling it just ensures problems in any any infections that and the differences in the just the flavor of the barrels. It'd be some that'll have like really rich vanilla character and some of them like a little chocolate character to it. And then that's one thing we noticed. So we've been working with new ruth that they're they're a newport the distillery and right here Newport brewery why not try to work together and We we talked to them and they let us use their logo on our packagings by the important thing. Brogel people kind of work together so it helps got such a great distillery in the US. Two different barrel manufacturers the Kelvin Coop Ridge and then I s C. I can't remember I have seen stands for but the flavor profile from those barrels. It's different Calvin. Coolidge get big chocolate from it. The at the top of the stack that go through pretty wide temperature strings as this to huge vanilla and we were talking about this the the month ago some of the barrels we do the eight of them and your taste and if there's that one that's like Holy Shit this is it will separate people have been doing it you know. Just just your taste them. There's no problem with it and blend it but on occasion. There's that one do this one. That's somewhere to the same thing that they would do at a distillery where if you've got some barrel that's your magic barrels and that becomes something that you use for a single barrel in kind of don't necessarily him with the other stuff because it's it's so unique so what you're saying. It wasn't an original idea. I hadn't done here original. Everything had already been done. I'm still I think that Whoever decided to put a bunch of glitter in beer was probably an original thinker. I saw pizza beer. Pizza Beer. Cheese melted around the rim of the glass. I what an interesting choice I mean. I've heard of people making beer. That tastes like pizza before and driving. You Know Basil shipmate or make it taste like pizza that tees. I'm all I'm I'm open-minded and I'm up for anything. But I don't know that I love cheese but another one cheese on my beer weird person. I like beer right and I like it to taste beer. These has its own little flavor. Ethanol has its own little flavor and some of the grains and stuff I really love those flavors together. But you know. I don't need it to face like cereal. Where's that where's that? How do you like? Where is that line for you because I mean? I think everybody kind of understands that this when you listen to past episodes they get. You are a traditional I. Guess is a good way to put a nice. Where's that line? I mean you've you've got New England as now. They're they're trained a little bit different. Where where does that sit for you? As far as where does it cease becoming beer and start becoming some kind of other thing or do you know what a month ago when we were coming? I'm looking at my distributor over here and saying hey the last time we were talking. I said this is the year of doing shit just doing stuff just stuff that that I would never with wouldn't so the bruins technical brewer and I want to know exactly what my brewery is doing right. I am when we put together a recipe. Even on our small batch stuff it comes out like we want it to and now we're kind of our our fourth year. This is where we can. I afford to your here and we can put together a recipe. We know exactly what we're going to get out and so we're we're we're brewing and Cincinnati exciting. But I mean it's it's it's exciting to see. I still enjoy brewing. I still enjoy it. But there's gotta you know this year all the stuff that we were not really known for small batch stuff. We'll we'll we'll do some leaking out of stuff going on and I've seen some labels I've seen this stuff sitting in a barrel back there that I think people will be very pleasantly surprised with but it. Does it still stay true to that? Traditional kind of side of things or are you. Are you pushing that to a little bit? So is there a traditional northeast? I don't know I I is itself exactly so we have two small batch ones on tap right now so the on the barrel aging science so we are doing a lot more. We're filling four barrels a month and we've been doing that for a while now so that we can then put some investments to say that. But you know we're going to put out more barely beers you're coming up and we've already started seeing that kind of ramp up a little bit with the barrel aged products coming out from you guys on a on a regular basis more in packaging. It was it was when you did corruption the first time everything. Oh apparently beard like this is this is this is exciting. This is cool. This is this is different than everything else that you guys are doing now. It's almost like we were starting to expect you to keep those wrong. Casper and company right. I think the first time in all your beers agent would know the so we. We'RE STILL NOT DOING. All of them in would but a lot more of them would yeah. I'd probably said this before on this show but the name comes from the way that Ma'am Beer used to be served in wooden casks and being traditional good beer that the yeah the more barely edged up not not just bourbon barrel. No not well we I am. I allowed to talk about this case. Scenario hotel me out later. He's obviously the relationship with new. Riff is is great nerve right in northern Kentucky. They they're in you know to the Bourbon state but he also got his hands on some Tequila barrels and is going to be hopefully in time for we got it there. Okay fantasy for Cinco de Mayo. We're GONNA have a tea liberally sour come out Which we're forward to is it goes goes up because I don't think anybody try anything else on a Tequila barrel and I would be curious to see kind of pushed into some other other. I don't know what else you would do traditional period maybe cider. I don't kind of interesting to to kind of go to kill a barrel age CIDER. Have we have there been any of those around the March? I did something one of their age. Cider yes dry and dry counts. That's that's what some people want and style of burial that we're in right now where they're starting. He beat us up from at our last. Randy was Well we we work on rumours heartburn. Hard hard to find talking about Jin. Oh that's right. That was all right. Yeah and I yeah that'd be that'd be very fun. What are you going to put in a barrel? What are we gonNA put engine barrel? That's how I mean a lot of cool stuff associated with this building that I think that It might be fun to play around with. I think there's there's a lot to. There's a lot of history here and I think it could be very fun where we can come up with puzzles. The building itself has massive amount of history and run by the mob. Or WHATEVER CLEVELAND. Whatever the hell they follow but that they were a social club right so it's hard to you know. How far do you WanNa go with that kind of stuff? You know. Some some breweries will? That's their whole thing. The whole stick is some of the history of all that kind of stuff and we tried to not to be all about that. I know we're in Newport. And He's be called the sin city and try to depend on shy away from that a little bit you know. Part of it is also kind of my opinion. Part of it is as you kind of get rolling in as you settle into who you are and what you do. It's kind of figuring some of that stuff out and figuring how that plays into the story of the brewery versus coming out of the gate and saying this is who we are. This is what we're all about this. This is our brand. I think there's something that makes it more more to To the drinker when it's something that kind of develops overtime a little bit and you kind of grow into what? That is the odd thing about this. We are not on camera. We're on audio here. So you can't see that I'm shaking my head. Yes yeah that's kind of the way we're we're going with that trying to figure out what we a lot of history how much we want to incorporate that we'll we'll work it out there and that's that's part of the you know the year of doing stuff the stuff that we were you know. Got All that other shit figured out and now we have to figure out a little bit of the fun stuff the stuff that sometimes can make a damn brewery. They do something that never start of doing before. And all of a sudden that's what they get known for like Suzanne really bad goose island right. I mean a little known brewery. They do a barely beer and bound people lineup for damn days to get there barely beer. Do People still do that? Do People still lined up for so they go on social media and say I will never lineup for that beer but then they go in line up for that beer so I think you can get it at Walgreen's on sale on so several years. I'd say the trying to be politically to your point. You kind of went above and beyond what they normally do took a chance and it landed and there was a big thing it was. It was a huge thing for them. I mean it still I imagine is a big chunk of you. Know who they are as a company and I don't know it'd be an interesting conversation. If you could get somebody from goose island really sit down and and talk about it in depth that would be introduced special guest. Let's talk about doing things differently in the last. But how long has it been six months since you guys switched switched partners? Four months officially opened October eighteen. You need to be here well. Here's one here WHO's this? That's the ghost beer beer for the for the history of the building military. There's there's always. There's always a beer sitting in the table here somewhere. Don't drink it because it's a it's for somebody okay. They're just not drink. I think you can drink that when I think it's okay you guys. When you opened up did not have food was was it in the long term plan that you knew you wanted it or was that one of those things that all of a sudden. You're like Oh my God we. We need to figure something out. We've got people who aren't coming here because they want to go eat somewhere. We have people that are leaving because they wanna eat somewhere. How did that kind of out of that happen? I am in the year that it took me to gut this building and make it what we wanted so I would walk up and down monmouth over here and you know there's you know there's strong pizza of this Newport Pizza. There's there's a lot of food right here in this general area and my thought we'd have a good relationship with the food trucks and then local food and because I know nothing about food man I know that like to eat but but making it and know that the food industry. That's something I know. Nothing about and you know it's financially know nothing about food and that'll be burden that I didn't want to do so. I figured you know the food trucks and the local food would be enough and as we're going along we had a pretty good relationship with Newport Pizza. And some of the food trucks but some of the food trucks are difficult to work with and not not not not punctual. Just our just what you think is gonNA happen because their business revolves around the business that you bring in and the people and and it just didn't the food trucks. I didn't work out at all and the local and the pizza places. We had a good relationship with them but it just kind of wasn't enough. The you know the the the the question we hear all we heard all the time you know people walk into you got food. No but here's place that you can order from. Okay we back. You know crap okay. So that's that's customer gone right there? You don't get anything from them off so we decided after we started paying down all the bills of gutting and redoing we would make this the kitchen section and you know with that and try to find a partner. How how did the partnership start? Did you guys ever. Did you guys always have in the back of your head? Maybe we could go brick and mortar at some point. Let's start with the how. How did you get into all of this? Let's start there. Tell me into food. Engine Food in general. Just tell me the story well. It really started as a hobby for me to a barbecue with no intention of ever opening a restaurant or anything. I just want to cool. I smoked all the time. Thank you could make on my own so I started and then I think really the jumping off point was in two thousand seventeen me and my cousin who's my business partner decided to enter a barbecue competition so that we had to have a team names though we got together over a couple of Beers and somehow drunk and that's where the name came from and then we just kind of really got into doing pop ups catering. We had an opportunity with westside brewing. We used to set up there all the time. Actually they called and they said because my wife worked there at the time in their food truck cancelled the day before and she called me and said is there any way that you could do a pop-up be bent at West side tomorrow and I was like no no way. I have no idea how to do any of this stuff so I did it. And we kind of got addicted to it and we did pop ups for about a year. And ironically I talked to Karen I think in late two thousand seventeen. There's a garage out here in the parking lot about converting that into a kitchen and opening a restaurant there but remember that this one here actually open if you want to and it comes with the beer beer but at that time. The timing wasn't right I don't think for either of us and so then the kitchen space comes events happen to drive by an mid-september. Oh I wonder if she's still interested in doing kitchen because we're in a much different place now. Kind of is a brand as a company. We're kind of looking to take the next step so I just reached out to her randomly and she was like we happen to have a kitchen that we built in the taproom. Do you WanNa take it over and I think we met that same day and I met with David that night and I think that after that I went to lines our pretend that you're not like eager awesome. I think we were both pretty excited about it so really. We were within two days of doing it on. Our own. Didn't want to do that. We have been studying going around all the different Food Service places and trying to put together a menu and you texted Cairns at. Hey you still have that brick and mortar building over there random. How that happened could not have done better. I mean anyone who hasn't had the food needs to have the food. I mean this is a perfect fit and it's I'm not. It's I'm glad you guys found each other and I'm I'm not getting anything directly. There's something very brilliant about putting barbecue inside a brewery because as soon as you walk and you get that smell like. It's it's one thing when you go to a barbecue restaurant already there. You're already planning on eating but there's gotta be a lot of people that walk into the store and they I'm not hungry. Yes I am the key here so we are traditional beer and you are traditional barbecue. Cheers my brother. We go already started marriage. What makes traditional barbecue versus nontraditional barbecue? We kind of make it the way that it's kind of generated over the last hundred years or so we don't really add anything to it. We don't like I don't know how to explain it. Basically the main thing that makes it traditional as we smoke with would only nothing other than what it goes on the smoker for depending on what it is eight to twelve hours and comes off and then you get like brisket sliced with pickles onions and a piece of white bread so we do traditional beer right. We don't do we. Don't all the FRUITED CRAP. But the and the brisket isn't injected with the creamy white sauce. Or whatever you know on Oakwood bowers. That's all you need good. There's an again I don't know what it is about the beer here but it seems like everything is almost designed to go with barbecue to me. Like oh there's something about the beer styles that you bruin that personality of the stuff you put on that just perfect with barbecue. That's not even getting into the stuff that you've made specifically collaboration with them which I also talk about going but you know it just it goes so well with the the whole the whole idea of it. It's it's to match made an have I you know not that. I don't like some of the pizza inside them around town but like barbecue with my like sometimes. I just don't think pizzas very hard to pair up with a beer if I sit down and I order something Var and then decide. Hey I'm gonNA grab some barbecue. Chances are whatever I ordered is going to go really good with the food. And that's that's really hard to do with some other kind of food styles. I guess it works out perfectly for the year of doing stuff right so trevor. He is the guy that all these stuff so for me the and we put together so he has an idea. It's an okay. Well let's do this so I'll kind of kids recipe that you'll put together and I will put it together for our system and grains that we use and the northeast a we did a pretty damn good Keagan. New England is so perfect somewhere up hoping to do what I did. And that we did was sweet stouter rushing not not a wretched imperiale imperial Alan today the imperial suite style. Yeah I wouldn't call it sweet. His helmet yeah. Yeah so on. Actually the I will say that on my homebrew system. It's I can route ten gallons at a time on that system today. There's no way in hell. We should've been so it was maxed out. And when are we going to see that because keep in mind? This show does not air right away. We've got a couple of weeks before that beard south. We'll take a couple of weeks to finish out the that fear The troop beer is to really figure out a good recipe. That will go into a barrel at a later date so we are doing a barrel pickup bourbon barrel pick party source them and we will have that. Bourbon here so because we have a full bar with almost one hundred bourbons here so we will bring the beer. We'll put it in that barrel. And then after ages will have like a little bit of a release party here and you can have the Bourbon and the beer that came from the barrel. That urban was aged. We need an infused barbecue sauce to with lawyers. So I think we're gonNA used staves from the barrel smoke the barbecue the release and then probably use the bourbon for a barbecue sauce. What can we do with the green to get beat? The cavs the release comes full circle. Full circle down like this all of this and like a partnership I guess seems very fun and very very exciting but how like. How do you keep doing stuff like that overtime like you guys you? You said you're entering what your years here on the fourth years of how do you. How do you keep that that excitement when you come into work and either Brew Beer Mc Barbecue? Whatever it is like. How do you keep that that those gears spinning to not make it to where you're just coming in and punch the clock? Well because we have so comes in he gets the fire he puts the meat on there. And then there's this time span as it's smoking and you know and we'll set over there at the couch and we talked about stuff that we talked about a beer. Just the other actually. Today's Today So communication may be. Bs Communication just smacking each on the but so does he does not smack in about. There's no sexual harassment in the workplace. Not Working but I don't know that everybody is as lucky to have somebody like trevor coming in here when they're brewing or somebody like Michael Coming in and say. Hey you know we we need to try this and we need to try this and kind of pushing them into these these areas and like I. That's that's my biggest fear right now with a lot of a lot of the people that I know that are in this industry. It's you know we're starting to hit that point where everybody's kind of settling in a little bit and my mind it's easy to kind of get complacent and bored with what you do with what you. How do you keep pushing that I? Yeah so we we. We've been talking about that stuff how to you know and this so I usually don't like to read reviews and all that kind of stuff or even go on and the. There's a couple of sites that I go to people you know just looking and now also the older brewery that the the people who are working on getting their standard beers out right now the I was. I was talking to somebody about it the other day and I'm GonNa get shit for this but You Know Mount. Carmel is one of those places for me that I love going to mount. Carmel I love sitting down eating drinking the beer but I can't tell you the last time I picked it up off the shelf guy. That's that's an issue with with with how I'm drinking and why I'm drinking. I can't figure out as this all keeps growing. And that's you know that that might even be a whole different kind of topic. Healthy beer was always about buying for the record. I mean it's been around forever Craft Beers always been about bringing better beard people who would otherwise not have it. You know what I mean like they. It was always about the customer. The person to person who was drinking the beer giving them a better beer experience when you go to the wooden cask website. What's IT say? The you deserve a well-crafted more flavorful. Beer like I you know I yes. We all deserve that but we we also. We've got a lot of it now to Lincoln. It's hard to kind of figure out what that means today versus what it meant you know in in nineteen eighty nine. I thought that was Killian. Refresh was jam. Drank the hell out of here. But it's I I think it's also like there's a danger now of some breweries kind of settling into the single. Yeah I make I make you know. Well-crafted flavorful beer not understanding what's happening around them and watching these changes that are happening and it's a it's a weird industry so we have meetings the Edina distributing all the time at least once a quarter trying to try to listen to them you know and and they do like traditional styles of you. Do I like it and so this year is the year end up doing trying stuff that you know that that is in beer like to drink but it up the new England now. It's not as fun I've been going to all the different places and drinking those style of beer and and I'm not an IP fan. I'm not a big guy and we were at a place. It's the other day in had a beer by this west coast brewery trying to that style. No so damn sweet holy crap. He was like putting powdered sugar in your mouth and was strawberry or what it was and I couldn't. I struggled to finish that. Twelve ounce sample. You know where do you like how do you? There's a lot of people say that's what a lot of drinkers are looking for. Now is the sweeter ear kind of beers. How do you? How do you find that balance for for you and for who you are and what you? WanNa do with with wooden cask versus what maybe somebody comes in and is is begging you to make like how do you find that balance of it we take it to a whole seltzer kind of side of things too. Because that's the way I mean you had the the Drunken Hawk beer right. Yes I'm frigging love it. It's a fantastic fear. That was a very successful year for us at Edina and it tastes great random during that era. Yeah everyone seemed like it was a unique beer had smoked characteristic and it's still fit perfectly within what wouldn't cast doing and you know we're talking about wooden casks figuring out who they are but I mean this is a team that's been doing this for a long time. They know who they are. But sometimes you're figuring out who people want you to be without changing who you are. That's what I'm curious about. Balance of of letting yourself grow as as as keeps changing and keeps evolving but still maintaining. What what everybody loves about you like how do you? How do you make brand plant randy started doing a bunch of QC lactose milkshake? Ipa's with care bears. Sixteen ounce can rightly we were like? Oh man what happened? You know a big. I think we all know that. They're they're putting a lot of different beers. Were able to make people do that. You're going to be able to say this is a wooden cask beer but this is what this is what the people who drinking beer one drink and I think that there's plenty of overlap and I think we've seen that with a lot of the stuff and with with the beard that trevor in in Randy cooked up I. I love that beer but I think it's it's fantastic it I don't know if I drink it on the show or vibes. I drank it at some point on some kind of thing rows talking into a microphone. But it's like this perfect balance between everything. There's a lot of smoke fears that just kind of go balls to the wall. Smoke just to be a smoked beer. There's a lot of your imperial stout. Just go so heavy on the alcohol that it's like you can't get the character of the beard all in this doesn't go heavy on either of those things. It's like this perfect balance between that managed. It's absolutely fantastic. I I love that beer. I've got a six pack of home and actually I found that I like it kind of like the other barely edged fears that we have. I like them more room temperature. Kind of saying room to sixty five degrees little warmer. They're easy in my house with a with a toddler. I don't get to drink anything quickly. Go it takes me. It's really hard to To drink a beer while you're pretending to be a lion learned that so which for the record I don't know why always Fossa because he's the line that dies and I know why that's thing in my house but man I we're not therapy or something here me or her beer styles thing in the traditional European thousands of years so we do a fruited in the summertime. Goza Tangerine this year. But the so the hopper house is like six blocks away about them on. This show got arrested. I got arrested outside of offer. I wasn't even actually at Opera House. And so they do. They're the whole logger thing. That's them you know we we we can do lagers. Do our number one. That's a logger. We can do it but you know kind of out of respect for them or expect for you. Try to respect your your breeze around you. Our we have a style. Do we like they have a style they do. You know some tiny bit of overlap. But we don't WanNA dinner phase good into their seen. Do you think everybody else. Put that kind of thought into what they're making. I don't know but that's my kind of what you think. In a city like Cincinnati. We've got what seventy seventy technical breweries right now unless you include platform and release says drilling Cincinnati things going on and they had. All of the platform had brewed. They had all of the outside. I think there was an anheuser. Busch thing in there and it's like the hell is this man and you had to give email address shit to sign up. I didn't vote. I get enough. Dan Spam another wonder. Do you think that a lot of those breweries are putting that thought into what they're making in who they are the same way and kind of trying to find that niche or do you think everybody's just trying to cast this really big wide net to get as many of us again on the the smaller that microbreweries seen? I think were were trying to be the you know your own focus. There are some of the larger broods that will cast a giant net. Whatever whatever's popular now. That's what we're doing what we're doing. This is probably a good time to announce the launch of the wooden cask locale. No longer is at one review. You've got up there that I'm sure locale. I got a tweet sitting in front of you. There's no eight as as a high calorie beer. Oh so and that's a weird thing. We we talk about this on occasion. My wife and I run the business together and we're always here together and we and the trend thing now that low calorie beer. We've been doing that from day one so but it's not something that we advertise because most people don't want a low calorie fear when they is they're paying six dollars for it they don't want to be locally so we'll see how it goes this here. Who Find Your for those guys the year? Doing lots of the Seltzer thing because we do that way too much on the show but why are people buying Seltzer? I I is it because they think it's Seltzer is about as tasty as light beer but a little bit more dignified so I mean I don't know like we're taking shelter is the cores light meal all those guys. That's the scene. That is being just tortured by all the Celtics. So you if you look at it all the big guys they now have their own Seltzer and we we will do a seltzer for taproom own table. I you know. I can't figure out like the doesn't make. It doesn't make sense to to be a little bit louder. Tell people hey we. We've always had low calorie beer. We if that's what you're looking for these flavored seltzer isn't bud light. Clear that that's an odd so it goes back to your what's in your heart. What's what what what are you again? How do you like? How do you figure out how to toe that line? How do you? How do you push yourself to the point of saying yes were? We're okay with making a northeast. But but you know. We're not going to advertise our three point what. What's the percentage of as low calorie? Like how do you? How do you figure that out? How'd you figure out where where you where you push where you don't know that's a a an advertising thing and and that's some of these breweries they? They have huge budgets in people and some people even say there's a couple brews in town that are advertising agencies that Brew Beer Breweries. That said that about themselves. So that's really it depends on your ultimate goal so candidate decided when we were kind of putting this stuff together we went to. We WanNa brew enough beer right so that we can pay good salaries but not have a manufacturing plant where we're we have two and three ships of people and just you know the third shift people don't really feel aligned with I shoot. You know so the this. We were very passionate about the things we do. WanNa keep it in that realm and I think that's a you know when you when you start to feel non passionate about what you do and I'm I'm not passionate about Seltzer. But some of the people that come in and ask Seltzer no we. I've met very few people. That are passionate about Seltzer. Couple weird thing. If you're yeah I I don't WanNa get too deep into it. Then he'll do it. You know them we can. We can do a small batch seltzer and have the the people that come in and ask for it or something like that. Can you make some kind of Malt Syrup that you can put on the counter them on the bar for people to escort him there if they want to pretend that they're drinking beer circle after about five or six eight? Scotsman? America Seltzer for you oldest. What GETS BIGGER PICTURE? What gets you excited about? What's happening in Cincinnati crappy right now? What is besides here? Obviously because you know you should be excited about what you're doing but bigger picture There's a lot. There's so many new breweries opening up in the area in an exciting though. Well opportunity to to define yourself and I think that now you don't have to you know you don't have to worry about you. Know people are aware of craft beer. And now it's it's kind of. It is kind of about making sure that you have the ability to back it up with something that people appreciate craft beer so we go to. We went to North Carolina. Ashville and Shit. You can walk to twenty different. Breweries city is built on craft beer. Basically you go to San Diego. You go to the Portland all these different places you can walk to. You know twenty different breweries in a night and most likely not get arrested Ryan Kaufman and that you become more a destination and then then you know your your your focus your style. Perfect your craft and eventually or occasionally occasionally step outside Your Comfort Comfort Zone. And you know do something or not. Do you think we're getting close to that point in Cincinnati where we're GONNA see more breweries that are figuring out who they are better. Maybe there's to me. There's only a handful of Burris that I can. If somebody asked me what kind of beer they made. I could actually give you a really good description of that. So there's there's not a lot of places pretty. You're pretty specific each. You know so I was Fredbord music right right so I mean there's there's a few bus traditional-style wranglings hoppy size. So there's a few breweries and were smaller smaller. The less beer you have to put out into distribution and the kind of wider that the can be more flagrant with your styles or whatever them because if you're taproom only you don't have to worry about that beer that goes out to kroger's that has to be the same every damn time you know if you have a government buys your six pack of our. Pacific time will face the same every damn time. So if you don't have that you're not really worried about. You can brew nine exactly. Yeah that's my wife. Karen the ZAN reforming twenty three years. The if you're not worried about putting stuff out and package you could through different beers all the times and and that's the fun side of it and we are original business. Plan Kinda packaging brewery with the taproom and we have another here. Also WanNa hold outs on bottles. Oh Yeah well. Because we we. We bought the bottling line before we rent a storage space to people stuff in the packages important. I mean I I will tell you. I've got a toddler is very important. Moved to a canning line. Bottling will be cool again not probably true. We've been looking at canning lines like that. But the the the the thing that we would as a a brewer oxygen and I would like to have a Channon Line. That does the double purge with we. There's a lot of stuff that that the ones that are fifty sixty thousand dollars. Don't do and you gotta get up into a hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty thousand dollar bottling lines that do the counter pressure fill to keep oxygen out. GonNa stop and I will say that if you are the last bottles on the shelf they will stand out with it so well we will. We'll have both systems are six head and can't sell it for so at the end package is important. I mean so when I first started in the brewing industry marathons all that stuff. That was those were gas stations. Bud Light Budweiser and now. The lounges out. Barrel all this show so my local grocery store speedway have beer caves so the interest is industry has changed a lot and but the the the liquid. That's inside of a bottle and a can really. Isn't that much different? And I know that the a lot of people think that the CAN is better for oxygen ingress for some reason. I mean theory. It should be in theory but the canning system is the the the the systems that are out right now. Aren't very good unless it's I don't talk shit but he had a little bit. Trevor what gets you excited about. What's happening in craft beer in Cincinnati rate? Now everything I love craft beer in Cincinnati. I love that so when I go out here kind of talking about what we were talking about before. Kind of all the different breweries when we go out. Plant a night out. We want to four or five breweries that are within five minutes of each other and were pretty close to achieving then Cincinnati. Maybe not five minutes. But you don't have to go very far to him here. An Uber drive away from five or six different breweries. And you can get flights at each want. Try every beer at each one so stuff like that. Gets ME EXCITED ABOUT BETH? Beer it just. It just keeps getting better and better like I keep looking at a place will announce that they're in planning for a part time to call. That's perfect because now that ties this with this and it connects us all other little trip that you can do. It's gets exciting. It's on Asheville vibe. Where like you were saying when I got to go we just kinda start at the bottom of the Lupin just walk around and single brew that we can. We're not in walking distance of of a ton now but you can still get out and get to a bunch of breweries in a short period of time. There are little pockets of town where you're starting to get these little walking areas with a couple or ubers also Cincinnati. We don't walk here. Here's what I'll say the The walking down when we didn't have a restaurant we had the dog walkers the end of the day you get home. You have to walk the dog and people who you know they would visit Braxton US and darkness all night and when we had food people. Oh you can't dogs anywhere now. I know what in summertime you can still have your dogs on the patio and it was. It's a whole other topic. We could talk. Kids in breeze depends on the dog on the. We've had dogs bark at everybody. And the little bitty dogs that people you know carry with them and those are the yappy little things that just to We won't dig into. We won't is all angry. What do you want people to know about wooden casket? You think they don't know right now. Actually we have a full bar so this is one of the things in this year. We've been working on so almost one hundred bourbons over there. We make wine on. We make wine here and CIDER. It's a full bar. So there's there's a there's a few juries that have have spirits available. You guys kind of went and said you know we're gonNA have it available. We're going to do it right here. In Your Northern Kentucky Housing actually bought a barrel of Bourbon Friday. Where where's that ought to. And that's actually. I've never been bourbon person you know. Usually I am a Kansas boy. Drank burgers a Glam. She shoots back and get screwed up not remember the next day so we did so. We started working with the Covington Police Department and the Thin Blue Line Project and we started to learn about Bourbon. They do a barrel picks and they bring the barrels to us. We put a beer in it and sell it as kind of a charity event for them and in talking with those guys we learn how to taste bourbon shots taste you know so we learned to taste bourbon. Actually it's like Oh crap I buy like Burbot and you have to get past that initial sean. All the alcohol past that you start to pick apart the fingers. There's a tasting method that will help you get past that I didn't know either. So the once you start drinking properly appearance Cairns very special ice cube that she makes the but yeah so it's a really enjoy bourbon and now we been doing wine classes and trying to figure out the whole wind side as well. Because we're we're making wine here and try to do the best. We can't brings up a whole another topic. That is probably way too big to dive into but is there any interest in distilling? That's the next big kind of thing that we have certain guy that keeps trying to get us to buy a still. Yeah so it's making beer is if it's one thinking of it might already sold persnickety he'd tells us you should buy a still there. There was there was one in town that I think was for sale. But I don't think anymore and I'm not supposed to talk about it so at this point you know we're too much too much. Fire suppression that. You'd have to change the building with another license. I mean the TV literally said if you get a distilling license. We're coming in and were place just so I mean you know beer cider and wine. Bourbon all stuff. That's that's a lot of regulatory stuff. And that's the part of this so I tried to help any any small brewery that comes in anybody that that's Wanting to put a brewery in in the area and we've probably had thirty years. So brewers come through this. Walk through and help them you know. Lay out their brewery. Lay out chat rooms and stuff like that and the The regulatory part of all that you know you you federal state and local and each one of those things has its own regulatory system and at this point. It's you know it's enough to Segue to that. New Risk is already doing good bourbon. Oh Yeah and then. We've kind of partnered with them for barrels or the barrels. Like why try to compete with them. I was just curious from a creative standpoint if getting into bourbon kind of starts those gears turning wonder if I win the lottery first and getting into it. Yeah so we. We enjoyed some you know done. Some barrel. Picks Weller Barton Remiss. Yeah so it's been fun. It's an interesting sign and it. It's helped I think and relaxing a little bit of doing traditional either. You know getting new Bourbon. We'll do that and it helps you. Relax. So if people want to know more about wooden cask. Social Media. Facebook twitter instagram. 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Who's to say that there won't be some extra special beer? That won't come out sooner or later. Your price point so we'll see how that goes. That's the real this is you know right. Now we're rant. We're think we're we're in that zone. Where the brewing side I can put together a recipe and I know where equipment and it'll come out exactly what we wanted so this year. You know we're we're we're trying to do some stuff That I'm not comfortable with his. There are also some Kinda Fun in knowing that you're being pushed outside of your comfort zone a little i. I would think that as a as a brewer. There's part of it is. That's part of the fun of it is just trying new stuff too. Yeah the unknown the birth today as we did a you know the imperial smoke coffee stout and and we had. Our efficiency was a couple of degrees lower than we wanted. So we had to figure out later out of boil half hour long or so. That kind of stuff to me is fun. We'll fun it's out. Yeah it sounds. 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Otto Wallin vs. Travis KauffmanLive Fight Chat

Tha Boxing Voice

25:50 min | 7 months ago

Otto Wallin vs. Travis KauffmanLive Fight Chat

"Acids intended for mature audiences the views and opinions expressed those of the panelists and do not reflect in any way. Those are the podcast partners, sponsors or affiliates enjoy. This is Michael Buffer and you're listening to the voice of the people. Let's get ready. For. Boxing Voice. Mother fourth. Production. Guys. My Life. Second, Western lot to. Over critical to. Know my mom. was. I'm not saying to match. Dot Com. What. Welcome back ladies and gents we got the heavyweights in ring going to see what Ulta violin be able to do. That see, but we gotta Travis Calvin in varying and He's wearing I'm so against police brutality sure he's looking very thin man I don't know. Did he maybe? Come in the best shape of his career. That's going to be something. To See, his definitely ring outfit is looking fly. Got Lucky. Got Himself a tribute to Nazeem Richardson going on. But yeah. You got the whole crew duck in me. That's why we ain't done nothing yet. In man they always got excuses for the ducks. Got To restart my computer. Getting a caller. I'm only again a call on a phone I'm not getting it on the computer because you'd be answering on your phone so you don't skype off and I. Don't. He does. That all about to get US flag shit. Man So we got the heavyweights in building. Bells about the Ring Mario during a lot of duck and so he was twenty minutes late give he's an hour twenty minutes lead. All right. So own Travis coming out. Otto straightforward to doing the hook Adamo landed a good hook they're. Definitely looking to saggy in the mid section but. What are you going to do? He got the shortest by Havoc Andrey's Rozsa like trap is trying to make the Safai but I think. Vilain GonNa stay on the outside to tire travis side a little bit. And do me looks like his cat got his tongue but I. don't I don't have a cat but yeah, he does look a little pudgy. This is your guy I told, right Yeah? got. Auto parlaying looks like he's taking his time. He started have some success with the JAB. That's for sure out of that. South. Pole stance. Let me tell you Sam I don't know if I've ever seen a Kaufman in super shape man you you not lying right now this is not. This is not looking good man shot out to kill the cows with the suprachiasmatic just so in love keep up to work you already know. CAL's getting some big wins over this weekend in the in the pre pro man, my man one hella dough on some betsy made. Call the camp I called attacking he is he's the aggressive of Eileen is able to just stay back and kind of Nagy, hit by mo good left hand over the top for violin lands right on the top corporate said then he drops it back downstairs and he landed a two right hooks after that what you timestamped champ. I'm one. Oh, nine, I'm GonNa live feed on the cable yeah. Yeah. I'm on I'm one, twenty three. Okay. So. Will link up in the next round I guess yeah it'll give enough time in between the break look man Kaufman is still the attacker in the aggressor is only the first round. I don't know if this is what he plans on doing the whole fight. It's crazy 'cause outta volume was the attacker and the Tyson fury fight, and in this fight, he's playing the back foot I. Don't know what the game plan is way. He's Kaufman just switched the South Pole and it worked oof but vilain Doug a body shot after Kaufman land straight left. Liu Right in the breadbasket switched to southbound could swear in the first round he was coming with the left hand throwing a left Hook. Now, he's got the. Left hand as the backhand among violin still doing good. Work with that his own left hand he's looping it and it's having success. Kaufman look like he went ham. Got An advance him on some tattoos. Thought you was gonNA. Say He went hamburger. Now. It's funny because he looks flabby in the midsection, but he does look thin. Face shoulders you know chess is just that you know it's it's always harder to get rid of the gut. Is that. Okay. It's crazy. You gotTa keep fighting that right now too. I was set up to do that. But my man Raymond Ford took forever. So I can go some bullshit fights going there in the first round right now. Nikita, right now. So I'll let you know exactly when. The fighter stand up so we could learn. Lincoln. On the volume versus Kaufman. Makita, fired is a six round fight. It's going on right now they're in the first round. So we'll we'll just keep everyone posted in the meantime. But Kaufman seems to be the aggressor man and I walk I wanna see if that's switch really happened because he did mention that when he was on here that he could switch Nah I believe he switched man I believe he switched see now he's backing Orthodox with the left leading. Guys are still on the stool. He got caught s right man you remind me I pose to forty seven. We're pausing we'RE GONNA linkup with slow dooming every fight Chad he's behind we're going to link up with slow Dumi. There in the center of the ring clock just began I'm GonNa let you know exactly. To, forty nine to forty, eight to forty, seven to forty seven now look. To forty three to forty to. Think to try is coming with the High God but I I don't know wildfires do that that. You, know if you just put the earmuffs on and think you're gonNA walk in, you're gonNA walk into some shots. Now he's shorter guys. So he got to have a pie because I Lean Punch in one that why he he? Won One that right. Hook. Company here. Really. Embody beautiful himself. You know what I'm saying I mean does he look better than Travis Year but he's not body beautiful. Now I'm not even saying that you know I'm not even trying to make Kaufman seem like like, oh, he gotta be all Abdullah, but he looks a little flabby a little flabby out of all end. Don't got no absolute like that but he doesn't look as flabby and again like y'all auto auto on he he won a box, but he's really I mean he's trying to get some rounds I think he did sellers May. Out Bro like he's the older fighter, he's gotta catch auto and that's a good game plan make him Lee. You see you see there travis had to. Commit and overcome even though both shots landed but that's where that's where also should want to. Look at Travis with the veteran's tactics going in between. The body right these. Auto definitely somebody shots begin the referee stop in the FI here. What happened there? I duNNo. It looks like he's GonNa warn or you're GONNA get some taped up. What did we got tape? Then he golden here by your champ stop. Playing. Wonder what that was I didn't get that. Lean. Coup would just happen them Bro. and. Coffee with the little fake one to. Measuring eat little little speed, but he tap for now side violin got the high end reach daring big left by Kaufman. But he aa some stuff on the top of the head violin really manhandling. No. Now a good time at the end of the punches against the ropes good to three by Arleen off the rule. Will will rather after Kaufman bounced off the now Kaufman and the Orthodox style shoulder row Oh snapchat. So he dead rolled into the the stance I told you that. You see those. Fake Shuffles at. No. He does good in a distance without jabs is when he gets, he's not accurate. Coffers making the to fight it. You know I just. I'm fearful that he won't. He won't be able to keep this going in of those got the right game. Plan. Well he's is their exchange of right now it's people going to retire you lose this fight so he must not think autos about. Or he was just he knew what was going on because that belly looking flat flabby. Maybe somebody can tell me otherwise man maybe he's always looks like that when he comes in. But definitely. The white chocolates on his own right now, they're in the second round. I'm watching Atlantic Ocean USS. Some would alway boxing thing going on. No clue what they're showing me what is this like I got I got no audio either so I don't know this could be like some military minute looks like, yeah that's where they used to be boxing match you. Know. You see the still shot in my man throwing the right hand style or my guy that was pretty bad. Yeah. I WanNa say I was maybe they caught it at the wrong time. You'll he bought in held his head down. And he Look. blocked. Landed in the elbow and you see you see. His body just. He's Put in. Center thing Travis got some some tactic. You see he's throwing it. He's on a throwaway away punch at the Elbow Bre. Dan Lobb style. Softball and now what you do is you punchy nullify the hand for a fraction of a second for you to place your punch and. Now, it's just like when you tell you what the guard. But travel is. The issue with Travis is he's at the end of. Violin punches you know, Oh, good those sneaky left Hook Hook over the top. He's still coming up short. Coming up show you gotta you gotTa get Coz that distance. ooh, he's handsome heart shots. Now, I'm not liking that Kaufman guy to protect themselves. Celine Lena's also start good hand by lean. But what Kaufman Walk into that? He's a warrior, he's a warrior, but he's getting tagged with the heart shots now. Well I mean look I don't need to make a statement so. Definitely does is the third y'all. Traveling a Kaufman's left hook looking a little telegraph. I don't know if that's just him being overweight and not being faster than you. WanNa see guy do come on he's got to go to the body more. Because he'll have more success on try and Travis and he's able to land that left lucrative round. Man. Vollene is really moving for heavyweight. Let me tell you. What gave age a lot of credit for moving on the back foot when he got his rematch anti rubies. GotTa gotTA gotTa give this guy same late I, don't know. I don't know I. Don't know that we can I mean he's he's running from Travis Kauffman like it does look a little weird right the big guy running from the small guy. I. I. Mean Look is he really going to get his rounds in and that's why he's not really pushing because when he wasn't Tyson and he was urging to put Tyson away right now it looks like he's just kinda working the browns. Carrying all. The cows just say if you listen closely, you hear Kaufman breathing that's out quiet is oh, nice. Ripping Right Shovel Hook by. So. Many shots to cut the distance at least Bob Their head chant. Yeah, he could be using that that that showed the we've. A little better as his head is still in the livewires. One to. Eight had nothing on there. He's comfortable. Comfortable. Now he's working. He's laying his hands going good low back up. Oh, right hand by Kaufman Puts Jab piling. Via Lean on the roads but he bounces out and starts to get his. You know. That was a good a good Ryan Kaufman looking tie. It may valley needs to start investing into that body just a little bit more. In on a May, he might give himself short nine. Pushed up. Okay. He parried the left hand as pretty good. Kaufman. Got That tyron ability is. Working at another body side and Bush. Like. Companies like Chizzy. That will really. Really. Hurt Go. The second fight auto pretty dirty main little shovel. Shopper. Other. Fight he was raking faces this he's shoving. You know you know you know my may gamma what's his name Joey Match Joey Demise Thais. Try Travis better get in here. Stop Plan Man. Gala Demands Go would it do alyx lemon the Chad. Column Limo. I call another little shove by out of volleying y'all and Kaufman like Okay Good Double Jab by auto up and down he started actually in the stomach and brought it back rake face. Suited he's working now I feel like he's not putting much. He's just tapping tapping tapping. He's going probably change the speed of later he keeps pushing them. Real Quick Kelly Thompson on the Super Chess says just show love. Did you read them absolutely? It was another one that I teddy be read down you know. That's the one I was trying to re. Teddy. Be Midwest sportstalk says turning into one of these masochist style dude I mean, I'm not but this the heavyweight division. I want to see you know not heavyweights. I would have been on the right now watching Ford on the keyed I buy this heavyweight I'm not trying to see VI- lean dance around the ring with Kaufman is not even a top five. Like you you run in from a rank eleven who hasn't fought in the year like now he better it better be bought a game plan like maybe he was trying them out and that's okay because this is the fourth. Oh good bodywork an-and and little short write up top. You need. A little rabbit punches on the other side of the Res- vision. You need call job back man dropping that left down there slow up. WHOA Kaufman is really look entire broke. HIS IS A. Big. He's just catching shots now it's crazy. The fights on showtime guys showtime for those in the asking. Thirty nine if you win xfinity. Kaufman. Double. Jazz tries to bring that overhand left seem vilain Perry with the left. Column Perry. Oh. It's not that grant around the corner. Amazon. Damn. Lean pop them with the JAB. Jab making it a rough night for Kaufman. Jab Look. Another job. The way deflect. Work and into Swiss at eleven hook to the body. That's them deflection right there Peiris right there like that. He comfortable in the Comfortable. Teddy be said, ness you fight the same way. Crazy I get knockouts are getting knocked down. In every chant my many bring nobody. Now, we'll fight the same way first of all thing about it I'm putting people down in three rounds multiple times my man in ten rounds and it's the four frowny nobody going down. Don't do me like that chant. Violin I planned I played outside to that right hand Lang his bang. Bang Bang Bang. Bang Bang. Bang. Bang. I. Well. What are you GonNa do I was expecting a little more excitement from this I ain't on frontman. Bro. Looking. Why lead to go work go. You go work. Come, go way out around five. You Imagine Travis retire on a stool and then retire retired that'd be way to retire retire because he said if he loses his fight he retired retired. So retire on a stool he retired retired that's s that'll be some simple. My man said retire but Tiger Palm Travis Kauffman. Look like he got the spare tire you. Know, that's the bars boxing. Live. I Live is cruising the I'll tell you golly while in on the bed so my he need open were. An and Google get Kale's Duale and you. Know he he he he might get. He might get it broke off. Tired hanging low. And now. That's a different story he will and he wiling. Call Otto. Call of Violin I'm starting to put pressure on coffee. On cough manny that's what he should do. So legal force, Kaufman and fire. Danny Lennon combos now nab roads over. Trying to tell you you see Travis. Try to hit him with the shoe side to the our. Body shop and I seen it's not doing. It's too much targeted. That's what He. Did going out of that body's too much there. I say Kaufman. At McDonald's all. He kept on the show is plan I play what you mean is the fifth round he's still head. I this is halfway through the fight. So I know filing right now come kick up he's going to start working more combinations and he's GonNa he's going to overwhelm. Kaufman it's been very comfortable in his own face. Aiding the pace you going to see out of our lean, I'll turn up stop Mamane Kaufman Man Yeah Oh. The risk is put. Me recalled monotonous into his London. Laura I, know you I. Know You want me to believe Utah Laura versus can Canelo. But you really mean I turned into law with a beautiful Cuban boxing. In. Turn into law do Kaufman like he did. Oh, what was that? Oh Soda pop shoulder the. ooh. He faking a y'all now dan they'll sit ns y'all his showed the using it. Why? Why is wise my man not doing another of right hander was. Left hand was. So what's violent doing? Not Doing the right my main right? He can't throw it. Violin total one to Chan now he might be faking. An ample bra you rush at Man. High, faking it come on. To Punch. Straight. Lab made. Why you going to the side where he could block RTD fifth round six he don't come out now is over he vk pool the shoulder. Okay with the DIP had movement. ooh Man. S It look. What The referee stepped. I stop. He wasn't even hurt. He knew he only had a one arm man. It is what it is. Look it is what it is man. Man S, it was well. Boy. Showed to stop oh man. That was. Still on the to still on now he just finishing up now he got one more round. I can think Makita Yao where you at you're showing that's what you get for opening up the the the the call which which a phone you're not even on the show grow. We don't know where you what I'm saying. Him. Yeah I picked I picked up on the on the on the computer, my phone's off. Transferred. Though you answered it on your phone, I not hit. All we got is your phone still. Then saw that is crazy. At least finish round with one arm. So so we just let the doctor assesses the reffet. No DACA. He's supposed to do that. How you supposed to stop the fight with my main can't continue he obviously contained was jabbing order to the body. Look. Jab Jab. Can. Then, he dipped under, I assume mega you they can't see you though. It was crazy because right now it just switched. What else? Is Crazy whatever the call you stay doing. So so they can't hear me they're gray. Hit, you can see you because they would have been telling me like your white talking to yourself. true that. You believe we out man we all need to wait for the results. You already know what happened. You know. It was it was a poll showed I guess I mean, I don't know what's the official. Announcement because we're not using their audio we we're actually calling ourselves but. You know at least the rich believes me man reference to fires man he just. Arm Man. That's what it was. He was like you know what he coming out he should have he should've lamb retire totally the corner we can't do me but we could. ME. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah, I was asking. Obama both. Is the wizard of voice. Of fights over and Travis saying on the floor whining but he wanted me to believe it showed the messed up. And catch on the next one. We come back with another one for her Orlando Romero versus Michael Jackson. Is it Michael Jackson? Gm why you call them. Michael Hawk Zone. What is this Jackson? Was a Michelle Jackson. I mean let's just make sure we get it straightened out. We are. We going to be back for, next one peruse.

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"All I am is One Mic..." Episode #102

Tales from A Butterfly

28:04 min | 1 year ago

"All I am is One Mic..." Episode #102

"Hey guys. Welcome to tales from a butterfly podcast. I'm your host to reassure endo. Sometimes Caterpillar sometimes butterfly but always driving to make it through. Life's many metamorphosis with my faith in tech with this podcast. I hope to encourage anyone that is going through life situations. No matter what they are they have left. You feeling like you will ever be a Caterpillar. Cocoon stage having to continually shed your skin while fighting to get free from any chains that are holding you back from your transformation. I WanNa tell you keep your faith in the transformer believing that just like the butterfly. When you come out you will be a thing of beauty who is not afraid to fly so come on butterflies. Less you're listening episode one or two of the tales from butterfly podcast titled All. I am one Mike and I'm your host to reassure so. Let's get into it on Sunday. February seventh twenty ten demi Lovato tweeted one day. I'm going to sing at the national anthem at a super bowl one day dot dot dot dot ten years. Later on Sunday February second twenty twenty Demi Levato was apt to super bowl singing the national anthem and the Hashtag. Yes Demi started trending because she killed it on Tuesday January. Twentieth of Twenty Twenty voice-over artist. Gabrielle Kunda tweeted Bra. I just want to voice trailers for whatever movie at AVA is working on. He was talking about do rene then in that same thread he he did a tweet and then in own threat or in other words for people that don't know twitter. He posted it on twitter and then went in his own comments and said man. Someone's screen shot this as in somebody better get a screen shot of this. Because I know it's coming through on February tenth twenty twenty. He did what's called a quote tweet meaning that I tweet that. He tweeted about wanting to voice the trailer. Whatever movie EVA was working on? He Re tweeted that same tweet. Said y'all remember this tweet. Well here it is big. Thank you to at AVA. And the and the amazing team at own TV for using my voice for this show. I will never forget this moment. And then he did. The praise hands Emoji the microphone EMOJI and the praying hands emoji needed. Hashtag veto life for voice over life and Hashtag. Shoot Your Shot Twenty twenty minds you. Gabrielle has an amazing voice artists like I said and he actually did a mock trailer using his voice for the movie that he wanted to voice so he didn't just tweet that tweet about just wanting to voice the trailer and have faith that he would get it. He actually did a mock trailer using his voice. And put it out there. I'm not sure if Abe was tagged in that one I think she might have been but then he ends up getting the chance to voice the actual trailer because he put it out there on Friday June First Twenty Twelve Matthew Cherry Director Short film. Hair love tweeted. I'm going to be nominated for an Oscar one day already. Claiming it on Wednesday may eleventh two thousand sixteen. He tweeted an animated picture and wrote any three. The artist follow me. I got an Oscar worthy short film to go with this image. Get at me on Sunday February knife. Twenty Twenty Matthew Cherry won an Oscar for best animated short titled Hair Love On April Twenty. Seventeen name Lynn. Who is a comedian? He is a member of the plastic cut boys and he's also on the show straight from the heart with Kevin Hart and the Plastic Cup boys on Sirius. Xm radio he's one of the hose April of two thousand seventeen. He put a video on his old instagram but kept the video and in that video he said by the time he was forty because he was thirty nine by the time he was forty he would have a brand new house a TV show and he was going to buy himself an Aston Martin within that year he got the brand new house and bought himself the Aston Martin and guess what he also sold a TV show HBO but it didn't air and he commented and said 'cause he posted the old video from April twenty seventeen that he did sank claiming all this on his new instagram which is nine the star in a I m the star on Instagram and he wrote under that that yes he was he got the house and the acid Martin and he sold the TV show but it didn't air so he said while he was disappointed he decided to do some self reflection and he said he waited patiently for his next opportunity but while he waited he didn't just sit there he put out in the atmosphere out loud that he wanted to work with tyler. Perry thanks to someone overhearing it word gets back to tyler. Perry and on February Fourth Twenty Twenty Tyler Perry confirmed the House of pain revival on bt and a new comedy series called assisted living starring. David Mann Tamla Man. J Anthony Brown Courtney Nicole Taylor Buck Alex Henderson and Naim Lynn. Now you have four different people for different examples that I gave you Demi Levato Gabrielle. Kunda Matthew Cherry and namely four people and there were two commonalities between all four of these people and their stories that jumped out at me number one. They used their voice whether out loud spoken out of their mouths. Which I'm sure they. All did like naive did when he made that video and their metaphorical voice twitter. They put it out there number. Two they all had to realize that. Their all their own personal microphones. They and their actions are their own microphones and the sound. They chose to magnify is what they believed themselves capable being able to accomplish no matter what anyone else thought of what they were trying to do no matter how many disappointments came again nine sold a TV show to HBO. Didn't air yes. He was disappointed but again he looked at himself look inward did some self reflection and spoke some more. He's still believed. They became their own microphones and magnified their thoughts to an audience of people that got to see their proclamations manifest. And I'm looking at their manifestations right. I'm looking at all this like they. They truly are their own microphones. They're not waiting for somebody else to speak up for them. They didn't just keep those thoughts in their minds in their journals. They became their own microphones and they spoke out loud to what they wanted. So as I'm looking at that I'm like what does that look like being your own microphone. What does that take to have enough? Self confidence to continuously put that out there for hundreds thousands maybe millions of people to see you're putting that out there and not just putting it out there. You're doing the work behind the scene. Demi Levato tweeted but she didn't just tweet that in two thousand ten and then not ever sing again. She had some things along the way she kept her voice in Check. There was she had to do. Gabriel Kunda did a mock trailer using his voice. He didn't just put out there that he wanted to do it. Matthew Cherry tweeted twice claiming and he made the hair short he made the film. He didn't just put it out there and wait for somebody to say. Hey I wanNA partner with you to make a film that could possibly win an Oscar. He did it and Naim Lynn again. He didn't just think all these things are say to all his friends and the plastic up boys what he wanted he put some working so I was like. What does that look like? What kind of work does that take to become your own microphone and to not be afraid to put things out there and to end and for your dreams to be manifested and to be heard? What does that take so now for those? You who've been listened to the podcast for a while Y'all know I love. There's nothing more that love than doing research and learning stuff not just taking. Somebody's word for something. I love to research and ain't nothing changed. I did a little research on this to now. We all know an order to use a microphone. You must first have a sound that can attach itself and then wrap itself around the consonants and the vowels that blend together sort of like a dance to form the words. Y'All I'm a lover of words. It's called a logo file and I don't say tell people I'm a local file because that sounds a little you know like something I could get arrested for so I just say I'm a lover of words but anyway you need sound to wrap around the consonants in Nevada like I said the blend together like a dance to form words words. That will never be spoken without you having tongue. That's a part of this beautiful formula. So you need the tongue in your mouth to help you form words. Your tongue helps you form words and not just have sound and ideally you would have a healthy tongue and what's really interesting in doing my research. Is that the tongue can actually be used as an indicator of just how healthy you are good oral dental hygiene can help prevent bad breath tooth decay and gum disease and can help you. Keep your teeth as you get older now. An unhealthy mouth. Especially if you have gum disease may increase your risk of serious health problems. Such as a heart attack stroke poorly controlled diabetes and preterm labor and article on health line DOT COM says. When it comes to your health you may be used to looking out for differences in your energy levels your skin and blood pressure and one often overlooked window and see your health includes your tongue while you're Dennis will look at your tongue for any clues pertaining oral cancer. There's other changes you can be on the lookout for yourself. Generally speaking any significant changes in color or the development of pain and lumps may indicate a health problem. However there's a wide range of possible changes to your own all with different outcomes another article on Piedmont Dot Org says at your annual physical one of the first things. Your doctor May do is ask you to stick out your tongue and with good reason. A healthy tongue has a warm pinkish color. Anything different might indicate an underlying health issue Ryan Kaufman. Md says it's amazing. What can be learned simply by looking at a patient's tongue without even asking atkins tell? If a patient is well hydrated a smoker a dipper tobacco user uses a retainer has an auto immune disease and the list goes on and on so when. I read that the first thing I thought I had was well clearly your tongue. Although little incised gives a window into the health of the rest of your body in the natural in your natural life so now let's talk about your spiritual life because as it is in the natural so what is in the spiritual the tongue please just as important a role in your spirit life and based on what comes from it. It's an indicator of your spiritual health proverbs. Ten versus thirty one thousand thirty two and IV reads from the mouth of the righteous comes the fruit of wisdom but a perverse town will be silenced. The lips of the righteous know what find favor but the mouth of the wicked. Only what is perverse? So what you allow come from from your tongue will determine how healthy you are and just how far you'll go. Doug K read author of the Book Divine Intentions Life. You're supposed to live the person God meant you to be wrote your words or the guidance system of your life and your tongue is your personal. Gps system how you talk determines ultimately how you end up our own. Words can be our greatest ally. We know this it can be. They can be our greatest ally or our greatest weapon our greatest enemy our greatest destroyer depending on what we say. You know. We've all been there where we've said things. We shouldn't have set our hope. This don't happen or this is going to happen to me. And Boom what happens you manifested you put yourself in that mindset and it happens so we know our words can be our greatest ally or our greatest weapon enemy and yet we still at times tend to just carelessly toss out words and we do that either one knowing how detrimental they can be to our lives and the lives that were speaking them over. If they're not our own lives or two we do it not truly knowing at all which still doesn't stop the words from affecting your life. The ignorance of the words you speak does not absolve you from the consequences of your words. So you can say oh. Well I didn't mean it that way. That doesn't mean you won't suffer the consequence of what you said so we keep speaking these words or sometimes we speak these words and they become our greatest enemy are weapon instead of our ally. Now anyone listening out there listening to this podcast this episode if you have a weapon take for instance a firearm. Would you take your firearm loaded? Full of bullets and then just go wave at around leaving the safety off. Not even having a safety on leaving the safety off while saying I'm just playing around. I'm not gonNA shoot anyone with this weapon. This weapon engelhardt nobody. No you wouldn't do that. You wouldn't be that dumb. You wouldn't do that. You wouldn't be that careless because you know that not only could. The bullets ended up injuring and killing. Someone else you could also end up injuring or killing yourself. So why would you be just as careless with your words that again are your greatest ally or your greatest weapon? The late John Holstein Josephine's father wrote in his book. Titled Your Words. Hold a miracle. If you want to change your world start by changing your words to those taken straight from the word of God he also wrote that you have to believe there's a miracle in your mouth and that a person creates and brings to pass what he continually says so whatever it is that you're continually speaking you're GonNa Bring into pass whether you're speaking death or life and now know y'all listen and maybe thinking yeah. Well that sounds good to reassess. Sounds really good. But it's not always easy but guess what nothing is always that easy nothing for Demi Levato Name Lynn Gabrielle. The voice over artist and Matthew Cherry. None of what they did was easy either so nothing is always going to be easy. Which is why you have to continually remind yourself to speak on purpose with purpose and give direction to your words. Tell your words where to go and tell them what create for you while also remembering John. Olson's practical advice for putting the word of God to work in your life using what he calls three sweet peas p number. One praise by praise. You can act. Like God's Word is true and you act by praising P number two plan you can show that you believe the word of God and that you are acting on that word by the plans that you make p number three participate as you. Praise got and make your plans. You must also participate. Meaning you have to do so. You can't just sit there waiting. Be Active about it. Do things that you can help you get further along so through. Praise a plan and participation. You Act react and show God the strength of your faith by Building Foundation on belief in his words. So our words have power and again. We are the microphones that magnify those words. Now all of Y'all listening once again know-how microphone is used and know what it means. How ever I'M GONNA go ahead and give you the meaning anyway. A microphone is a tool used to amplify your voice. It also captures audio by converting sound waves into an electrical signal. This signal can be amplified as an analog signal or maybe converted to a digital signal which can be processed by a computer or other digital audio device. So if you're hunched bent or tents the sound waves you produce will bounce around your throat rather than flow out towards your audience twisting or bending. Your neck puts your voice biochemical disadvantage but by holding your head up and not looking down. You will assure that airflows out smoothly as you speak to create sound the vocal apparatus the microphone needs breath and space. And you enable your voice by Standing Straight and aligning your head with your spine when using my when using a microphone. You still have to use your full voice to engage your audience and establish your identity as a speaker you also have to find someone to act as your audience. Position yourself properly and make sure. Your posture is appropriate. By standing up. Right you will improve the sound of your voice and facilitate the most effective use of the microphone. Sometimes your mic. We'll have a river a reverve short for reverberation which is the combined. Echoes of a sound arriving a little later than the original sound after being bounced off walls or other surfaces per an article written by Daniel Keller on the U. Audio Dot Org blog. Humans are quite well tuned to reverb in that we intuitively understand by the delay. Time and attention. How big a space were standing in. So now we're confessing God's to be our Lord and Savior and confessing that were children of God. We become gods microphone here on earth not just our own and not just in the words we speak but in our actions also an example of this would be first. Thesselonians one four through seven. Paul was God's microphone and his audience then received Christ. And they became microphones to Again I s alone. As one four verse. Four through seven for we know brothers and sisters loved by God that he has chosen you because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power with the Holy Spirit and deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for your sake you became imitators of us. And of the Lord for you welcomed the message in the midst of severe suffering with the joy given by the Holy Spirit and so you became a model to all believers in Macedonia. And okay. Paul Silas and Timothy. Were Gods microphones spreading the word of God by their words by demonstrating God's power and by living the words that they were magnifying see their actions and their everyday life arguments things not going their way their egos. It didn't cause they're Mike's to distort what they were supposed to be getting out to their audience which were the people who lived in these towns see in the midst of the chaos and the status of life and the nonbelievers. They still live the life pleasing to the one who created them and breathe life into them. They didn't switch their Mike. Microphone buttons off but they continue to magnify God and just like in the natural. They used their full voices to reach their intended audience who then became models to other believers. But now just imagine a Paul Silas and Timothy only talked God's talk but didn't walk the walk imagine if the townspeople heard what they were preaching so they heard them talking being microphones but saw contradictory actions from them. Imagine if the three got into an argument and Paul started cussing silence out and tried to fight him. And then silence decides to go to Timothy and gossip about Paul and Timothy Indulge in. Imagine if they saw that how distorted with their spiritual microphone and the sound coming from them. It wouldn't be pleasing to God now. I'm not saying that they were perfect. None of us were you know none of us are and they weren't but believe their hearts lined up with God's heart and they had a true heart for God and a deep sense of repentance which let's be honest some of us are lacking because if you continue to do the same thing that you know is displeasing over and over and over again. At some point you got to recognize that. It seems like you have a lack of repentance. I tell my kids if you keep doing the same things that you know. I don't approve of over and over and over and over again and just saying you're sorry eventually that sorry doesn't mean anything and you don't have a lack of repentance because you would do whatever it is you needed to do to stop those behaviors even if you had to get help so. I believe that they had a true heart for God. Any deep sense of repentance not repeated intentional messy behavior. Imagine if they held onto pass pain bitterness anger and the past itself. That's the sound. That as gods microphones magnifying and the more pain anger and bitterness. That was magnified by them. The more it would have affected the people they were preaching to see as gods microphone. We have to ask ourselves. What sound are we? Magnifying to the people in our lives and around us and that are observing our lives. What message do your actions and your words say to people and do the two matchup 'cause your words and your actions could be opposite. You know we have to remember that. Just like in the natural goddess counting on us to use our full voices and to establish our identity and authority in. Christ to speak over our lives and the lives of our audience in other words the people who watch us and possibly our reactions to things every day are co workers the cashiers at the store we frequent our neighbors our children our extended family members are significant others our spouses the WHO hear US proclaiming Christ and spitting out scripture and praising God and giving glory and seeing how we react when things aren't going our way they hear what our spiritual Mike's are amplifying so when your co worker makes you upset when the cashier get smart with you because she messed up your order ringing up and then have the nerve to roll her is when your neighbor cuts down your tree parks in your spot when your children are acting like hell on wheels just rolling through your house and when your significant other or spouse the one you're supposed to respect the one you promised to love when they wrong you or do what you perceive as the wrong thing what is the sound that they hear from your microphone. What about one? We've magnified the prayers of our hearts our hopes and our dreams and our desires just like Demi Lovato Gabrielle Kunda Nine Lynn and Matthew Cherry. They used their microphones which were themselves. They magnified their dreams in front of the entire world. So what about you? What happens when you've magnified the prayers of your heart. Your hopes your dreams your desires and your goals but yet we feel like it wasn't really magnified like it hadn't happened. I know I've had that happen and sometimes still have that happened especially with this podcast and his media thing and things I wanNA do in media and I'm like Lord. I didn't put this out there. I told people you know. Especially when I've magnified in told people and they're looking at you like Thought she said this was going to happen. Thought you thought you believe in God and you still saying the same thing and nothing seems to happen and I know for me. I don't know about y'all but I'll be having a conversation. God I'd be like really so you just gone. Have me out here? What a microphone that I'm not even sure is on. That seems like all I'm getting back is silence the Mike's not even giving me any feedback. I'm just getting silence but in those times at just like Naim Linden you do self reflection and you continue to be patient while still speaking positive things into your life. You still have to speak it. We can't give up. Y'All we can't stop praying. We can't cut off our mics. We need to check are standing with the father. Okay we need to do the same things that we do in the natural when we want to check Mike Sound we need to do in the spiritual so we need to check are standing with the father. Are We standing upright before him? Then we need to check our position and make sure we're in a position to receive from God and we need to make sure we have the proper pressure. The posture of worship. And when we've done all that we have to remember that sometimes Mike's have a river or a reverberation so that what we have spoken into the Mike and what we have asked of God what we put out there. It is coming but it will arrive just a little later than original request and how much later may just be dependent upon how big of a space that we're getting ready to step into guys. Thank you so much for hanging out with me today and listening to tales from a butterfly podcast episode one to all. I am is one might now go to either items. Blueberry B. L. U. B. R. Wise Stitcher. Google play music spotify radio DOT COM or any other place. Podcast can be found and typing tales from a butterfly. Please subscribe and leave a comment and also if you could rate the podcast clicking that fit star a promise that takes less than two minutes. The more ratings are getting comments. The more visible the PODCASTS. 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OBI Mailbag: What does the immediate future hold for the Bengals?

Cincy Jungle

30:59 min | 1 year ago

OBI Mailbag: What does the immediate future hold for the Bengals?

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan Hey everyone how's it going. It's Anthony Costanza with the orange black insider bengals podcast. We are coming at you as promised on this Friday live here on Cincy jungle dot COM on Cincy jungle dotcoms facebook page and hand on our orange and black insider youtube channel. I know it's kind of a weird time for summer some of you we thought on this Friday we'd catch those of you on the eastern time zone on which probably are is the majority of Bengals fans. We thought we'd catch on your lunch break or something like that so We've got already a lot of questions that came our way over the past handful of day so we're GonNa get to some of those. If you want to submit some questions to us whether it's the live live facebook feed through our youtube channel or on Cincy jungle dot com through the comments you can do that will also take some calls and texts some of these that we have queued up are actually from voicemails and texts anyway but if you WANNA give us a call during the live broadcast shoot as texts nine four nine five four two six two for one will be taking those so John Hayden but twice a week dude we get to we get to talk to the bengals twice a week doctor Dr Sharon Dr Zang's ready to take your bengals venting for another half hour laid out on the couch and tell me about your problems problems right. You've got more. The doctor looked with the with the skeleton guy behind you. Randall for those able to see the live video. You got the dock and you've got the colored shirt on. You got more of the the buttoned up. Dr vibe going. I WANNA extent scope and I could be fake docker that truth people a couple of years ago yeah well. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. Try and play a little little psychiatrist. I guess for some of these bengals fans because unfortunately the Bengals are O. and four your feelings are not great about the team right now as evidenced by some of these questions we already have so. Let's just teed off a an email from Jason Dickerson who lives in Germany. I believe so this may be like nighttime for him. Abbott he sent an email with quite a bit of thoughts and in really he kind of said you know the the crux of everything thing was how long of a leash should Zack Taylor have. I mean it's only four games in but we've seen already I think a bit of regression from from the team last year under Marvin Lewis granted the injuries air and whatever but you know he kind of says it three years. That's kind of the standard. I guess especially with quarterbacks in coaches to get a proper evaluation but I don't know if that's what the leashes what do you think gone on Zach Taylor on that one I mean this is the bengals and they're not gonNA rush to any decision unless there's just a fan outcry that they can ignore one thing. I know about the Bengals Zack Taylor in the relationship when I talk to Emily Parker who's director of media relations with them and just the differences between how they operate in the communicate with with tailored compared to the final years Lewis. It's basically nine day like there's obviously a great relationship between Taylor in the front office and I don't see just a bad story halfway through his first year getting in the way of that. I think there's obviously a precedent that has been set by Arizona now. Fires Rookie head coach and hardened something else. There's just no way that's going to happen. Cincinnati like this is the same ownership herships that held onto head coach sixteen years with no playoff wins. There's no way that just one crappy started to one year is basically Covilli shot for Taylor now talking the beyond this year maybe beyond the next couple of years. I think yeah like after year three. If there's no progress than like the hot seat I guess starts heating up under Taylor but but I think who he is as a person and how they relate to him in that relationship going on. It's GonNa take a lot more than just like straight losing seasons for them to basically cut ties with them. I I I would say like year. Three or four is when we would start seeing like the pressure really said not Taylor yeah before you get to the next question here. I don't know if you're able because of the you you know the confidentiality and relationship you've built with with you know the bengals representative. There was anything that you're able to share are concrete. in terms of example. You mentioned that you know Zack Taylor was the communication level is different. I don't know if that means better. I don't know if that means more frequent quint what whatever that means. I don't know if you have any inside information on that if you're able to even share it but I'd be interested to hear it is a lot of recency biased because I wasn't like old enough to really understand any of this. When Marvin I came in I imagined when he first came in when he was a young head coach himself he was. It's very similar to tailor I think just about how like the final years of what Marvin Lewis was in you know what that relationship basically down to be compare that to Taylor who disappeared from what I've been told this open as a communicator and so much more open to trying new things in just just more open relationship. I guess in something that is a lot lot fresher than what they're than what they experienced in the past and just a breath of fresh air breath of fresh change brought to change into a lot of new facilities the building a lot of different things that they did in the off season. It's just all just someone who who is a lot easier to work with. That's obviously going with the age difference in whatnot but op but still at the end of the day you need to produce a coach and I think they realized that this is not really his team. Yeah this is still out of the guys that Marvin brought in and it's going to take some in time for him to really implement what what he's trying to bring with with his players so the leash I would say is fairly longer than what other coaches get at other organizations. You're on this team is been known to be a bit more patient than some other franchises in terms of knee jerk reaction firings firings and all that good stuff you go the next one there. John Yeah this was from me. Frequent listener show can dimple via text is already trying to think about a firing in a room alluring dinner in what about Jack del Rio well. They tried to hire Jack del Rio and that essentially didn't work out so I don't understand Dan while they would try to go back to him. In the middle of the season after firing the defensive coordinator that they waited fifty days to hire in a room is the guy that obviously Zack Taylor trust in at the WHO was brought in because relationship was Taylor. There's definitely still deficiencies with the scheme right now but even with that said it's a personnel knows you and The fact of the matter is defense from a personnel standpoint didn't really change enough for any tangible improvements to happen on the defense side of the ball on yeah they facing tough offenses to start on the season but at the end of that you got to produce in this is a very similar to Taylor in the skinny has only often side entering was gonna bring in bringing his guys on the defense side of the ball is just not enough positive roster turnover to see any real change in yeah like there is improvement last year when the moved on from Tara Austin to Marvin Lewis I think is because the marlins been here longer in those were his guys need more comfortable if those guys were they succeed but I I don't i. I don't think we're going to see him in season finally in a room either. I think just with with the walk of getting him in the first place in the struggles of finding a different score in the off season. I don't think there's anybody that they would trust to basically take over the reins on on the team right now to take over for in a room. Oh just for how long that came together. maybe they'll evaluate in the offs in the off season but I think in a room basically not necessarily tied to tailor per se but definitely has along released at because they don't have a viable option the roster to replace him with yeah. This is this is what's. What's you know what's been frustrating about this year. Is there are signs out there where you're going okay there it is there is some positive there are some you know like week one right. I mean the the the bengals played pretty well. They gave up only what what twenty points on to Seattle on their home field. Seattle Seattle scored at home against the Rams thirty thirty points just last night thirty one points something like that so you know I mean there are signs that uh has these guys and and Taylor to to an extent has going in the right direction and then once they do then you have this forty niners game you you have this steelers game. You look back to this Monday night. Game Not only was it ten to three at the half. There were penalties that were not called the if if you read since he jungle dot com there's an offensive pass interference on the James Conner touchdown right before half that was not called. There was a penalty if you saw my twitter that I believe was in the first first half T. J. Watt was part of a quarterback sack of Andy Dalton was leading with his head and his elbow to Andy Dalton's head and that was not called as a as a a roughing the passer penalty even without those it was a ten three game at half and he had the minute. The offense wasn't doing anything so I mean there. Are Things where you kind. NSA tackling been awful you would hope for more big plays in terms of turnovers but there are signs of this defense is adequate a- guess but you know as they get put in bad positions from the offense not moving the ball and or you know offense offense moves backwards because the penalties and saks. They're not putting the best positions obviously those guys get fatigued and you know there's been injuries on that side of the ball so I'm not the biggest luana remote fan at this point but I I understand there have been some variables a little bit out of his control and like you said talent talented certain spots is is definitely an issue Let's go with in other texts Dan from Tennessee. I'm going to Kinda lean on a I'm GonNa Lean on you for this one. Why are the bengals not running more two tight end sets I know that you know there's a certain personnel grouping that Taylor likes to run which is a one tight end set but you know you sign. Cj on to this big contract. He's been basically non existent this year. Are you draft drew sample in the second round. You Bring Back Tyler I for you would think you've got a plan to use all these guys some at the same time. They're not really doing that yeah and actually to the to the person asking questions point their success rate in twelve personnel which is the two titans compared to their success rate which is one time in is actually twelve percent more they only run nineteen plays the are this year twelve personnel tendons on the field and they've they've succeeded on fifty three percent of those plays personnel and I think they're still in the top five in terms of running alum I now there are only exceeded about a rate of forty percent which is about five percent at lower than league average so yes your point when you have a lot of injuries at the virus your position and your death is winning in your town is dwindling there and you still have a lot of indepth WanNa see what drew sample can do you WanNa you WANNA use Tyler. I for more be as to preserving him because he's you're gonNA get injury and you sign to us on to this contract you you want to get more of those guys onto the field to basically compensate for the lack of town. Now is a wide receiver so you have guys like David Willis on Wednesday playing more snaps inner keeping perhaps your most towns to receive her on the bench and Tyler I I I would. I would prefer to see more personnel This detailer told me in a couple of the guys has a this off season when we interviewed him. Eleven I know is really about what the US with with the tight end and topers no is really about what these tight end is ways. You can get creative with that so so it with your eleven personnel says you have three receivers one in line but you can create Olympic personnel opportunities with tool. You can use your type in the slide one them in the slot in the position. Maybe one guy out white. You can get more creative with personnel but personnel that you have when you're more successful using to finance. I think it would be smart to use more of that going forward and also you know maybe one of them in for pass blocking in hoping that CJ zone is one of the worst passed China's fell right now. Yeah anything you can do the health pass protection in any way you can get more created with the talent you have. I would definitely I I definitely sanctions are there. This episode is brought to you by Cox with contour. TV from Cox you can find all your favorites all in one place. It doesn't have the youtube you bet at what about that net flicker thing Netflix and although superhero movies come to her has all the latest titles on-demand. Oh my grandkids love that Ping Green Guy. I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay. I think we're done here now. Now get all your favorite. APPS SHOWS AND MOVIES ON CONTOUR TV from Cox. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and I and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script onto riff on what that means and basically what I mean is. It's all spoiled every a Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken subscribe live for free on apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast. APP so before we move onto another question you have you may have forest Boris John obscene Steph facebook. I have not they're asking what's going on with Joe. Mix and dizzy one out someone said either on instagram or facebook or something he put peace inning like people are taking it like he's leaving I have not seen that still a little early on my my side out of the country so I've not seen some of that stuff but I don't know any any long-term worries me in this franchise has a history of some of its best players especially skill position players getting disgruntled with the losing contracts and all kinds of different stuff to to be fair like there's a lot of stuff going on her on the NFL right now with with with players you know not liking their situations whatnot in. I'm completely for them in wanting to better situation in wanting out of what could be a toxic execute with the team. We don't really see that much awful things and we haven't seen that with Joe Mix yet in terms of his words with the media. He's taking responsibility the lack of success in gaming in a believe the tweet has been referenced here. Is You just pulled the deuces sign put on instagram story too and I. I don't know if you've ever seen like like athletes. His Post win a trade rumor going on. I think ninety percent of the time US ten percent of the time. There's any way to it with with with with that. I always say with a grain of salt and nothing that I've seen or heard from mixing up to this point would indicate that he's a guy that would have those emotions on social media like that. Even though you've been a proponent in urging the bengals do things over social media but I think until we see something more concrete is worried about with that yeah and I mean if you've heard interviews and seen him on the on the I mean I remember last year the Falcons game when Aj Green cut that game winning touchdown he's he just has had a knee procedure done he's sprinting down the sideline and celebrating with Aj an obviously when he you know he expressed frustration this cheer when the fans were bullying and he also said you know I haven't been doing my holding up my end of the bargain but I think we all know that's primarily an offensive line issue at what what else you got for us John. Let's see here. We got Chris. W in the lap comments section basically asking about Ronald Reagan is what is doing is run a bus or is he. GonNa take. I'm taking the law. You are a big thing. Coming out of the draft was one of your favorite picks but you know for for him being twenty three years old for him being graven after he was he still rob player and yeah yeah. He is going to take some time and unfortunately for him. Will this kind of to a street because of angles have been obviously a lot more five two or three four one. A base sets to basically stopped running account for lack of linebacker death in with that ran has been playing a lot of what is known as the three four defensive end like a five Techni he basically be gap player and basically to run-defender and because of the lack of definitely now have a defensive end. He's playing also more on the edge more than it inside so I think right now. He's just kind of planet position a little bit in for player. That still really doesn't know how to use his hands. Maybe still being lost on some. Simon's is basically a a snowball effect of bad things going against him and snaps having creased because they have had carry win. They haven't had Ryan Glasgow. They haven't had Carlson for the past couple of weeks. So we see more rain and unfortunately it's been getting exposed. Laws run defense. He's made some good plays. The Baptists have outweighed the had outweighed the good ones and you know he just doesn't really not yet and I I would prefer drafting guys who do have a sense of what to do with a handsome you have a sense of what he knows to do on the football field but he was always going to take some time time and you would like to see those states as early as possible to get him out of the way but each is not exactly ready to get dominant player that his athleticism says they can't be you know the hope is. He's a project player that turns into a stud. The worry is that he's an athlete and not a football player right and he can't develop these skills so you know. It's still very very early for him. But yeah you know he's kind of a microcosm of this entire draft class this draft class. The first draft class of Zack Taylor's tenure needed to have guys that were immediate impact players. Now I mean he can't help what happened with John Anna Williams but he was set to be potentially in immediate impact player but I've said this a couple of times I mean you basically had to go six picks deep for to find a guy who is starting and or having a major role in that's Michael Jordan. He had to go to all the way in their third pick of the fourth round to find a guy in this draft. That's doing that because of injuries because of they're not their inability to crack lineup and all of that so that is worrisome and you know that that is with the bengals telling us that they are going to their plan. Was You know we think we can win now. Despite the coaching change I if guys stay healthy and we add some pieces I mean if you if you really thought that you needed to have a draft class to have guys immediately the impact your team and they they have not done and the one Guy Michael Jordan who has been starting has not been playing very well so ah it it just is a you know I. It shows a cycle of problems. There are a couple of comments to both on twitter and on our facebook live. Have you know we can't really talk about it too much. It's talking about you know. This team basically went to hell when they let Whitworth Zeitler. Go No I I mean they're not wrong in bringing that up but there's been a couple of people talking about that. Here's one from Twitter Ryan Kaufman asks. How much can we say. I am assuming meaning the problems in the enforce start. How much can we actually say his personnel. How how much of it is coaching. I had high hopes for Zach but getting worried that he's a bit off more. He has bitten off more than he could chew a head coach. That's that's completely fair. I think this is mostly personality too because like we talked about there wasn't that much roster turnover nevertheless obscene. The turnover was mainly with coaching staff in a lot of trust in a lot of faith from a front office in the fans was how this coaching staff Elevator Roster Dez underwhelms the past three. Here's while at the end of the day talent much more than scheme and like Zach Taylor is not build a is not any innovative head coach because he's very inexperience and this experience coaches have around Taylor in unfortunately there's just a lack of talent all through with the with the exception of maybe a couple of physician listen goose and the injuries have been held. Obviously there's a lot of four players aren't playing right now and they've done a poor job of replacing score players with death layers that they found off the street and lack of scouting department will end up doing that but yeah I would say this is definitely more of a personal issue and it's not going to get better until they edit personnel and hopefully they can build a proper proper scheme around better personnel that ends up to be a better product but it's hard to basically shine crappy shirts. Yeah I mean my my fear with the bengals fans. Hope is at yeah. They've got this. Big Bay guy a guy that can turn around a team right up pretty much right away. Get Him too deep into the playoffs playoffs in and kind of be this offensive guru guy my worry. I guess just being the cynical bengals guy that I am my worry is that you know it doesn't work out out for for Taylor in Cincinnati. He gets let go and then a couple years later he lands somewhere else in all of a sudden because he's a crude experience with the bengals because he has landed in an organization Asian that is more run like a proper business instead of a mom and pop shop. He's more set set up to succeed. Basically he does well like appeared. Carol Likable ballot check you know these first couple of chances it didn't work out and then all of a sudden he turns into this guy his second or third chance down the road and Cowie the Bengals I I guess maybe that's just cynical and again. We're only four games into this act Taylor regime but you know I just worry I have have you got you got any others John. Let's see here did Ken Evans. Can Evans asked the billy price played better guard Michael Jordan well well in the buffalo game. I think price played fairly well. it wasn't definitely a liability on that line that that was a better game for the offense line that they played against. It's very I think right now. It's just offensive line coach. Jim Turner Insect Livingston Doubling Down on their of Michael Jordan. That's the guy that they drafted this guy that they scouted together. They brought in was start. If he earned the starting job in the preseason training Camp John Kerry of faltered at that position but I think the reality what is right now in Jordan says not ready to start a lot like rental. Ron Is the guy that he's a great after the at the position but he doesn't have any functionality to his right. Now and opposing employers are going to exploit that and especially against defensive lines like buffalo like Pittsburgh who had into your Russia's who were not only athletes great technicians who could just get under under his pattern level right now like the worst thing. Jordan has gone from right. Now is the six six he doesn't play with any answer leverage and guys get under him basically raised him up until he learns learn to play the lower level. He's going to have stor billy. Price will always obviously has like Falcons game because of his physical limitations him being having short arms and being really aggressive receving stats but right now he's more prepared to start in play in a consistent level Jordan and nothing the Pittsburgh improve that and their undying commitment to Jordan's very very confusing to me but I also understand it from the perspective that they brought in there just stubborn facts yeah so we've got there's there are a number of tax and stuff coming through. We'll try and get to one or two more here. We're running a little long but in case. You are just joining joining us. I'm Anthony Costanza. He's John Sharon. 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Our staff is there and you could you could subscribe to one of those channels where we get your podcast. there's there have been a couple of different text messages coming our way. John one is Unfortunately we kind of addressed a little bit this. It's a little bit with his. Act Taylor in coaching is I just wanted to acknowledge. Danny from London is listening so that's pretty cool. We've got someone across the pond. Hope Danny's go into that game. the the Bengals Rams game because it's not in Los Angeles so I'm not going weekly thing yeah there is there is one year saw poll on twitter. If the Bengals were sitting at number one and the dolphins want to move up to take to a would you take their the two top ten picks in Josh Rosen also keep up the good work so to to top ten picks Josh Rosen for the number one if the bengals were to have the number one pick. Would you do that. I have no idea I don't know ten players in this next draft class at the pig like like I'll just say this right now like for the next however many months before we actually know who's in this draft class besides chase young in like year. Judy Alabama mm-hmm if the Bengals in the top five it's mainly because the quarterback laze in shoddy and if there is a quarterback worthy of epic not just a Christian ponder. What's the Blaine Gabbert a guy who just gets over hyped his projected to go there. If there was a quarterback who is deserving of a top five pick in England or in the top five. I would suggest the bengals take that quarterback quarterback. I don't know for fact that there are going to get enough quarterbacks for them to take if they don't get the first overall pick. I don't know if there's enough generational town for them to pass on a quarterback automatic. Take two other players in the top ten but if they have the opportunity to get the franchise quarterback who's worthy of epic. I would advise them to take that at this point. I'm not a hundred percent sure now because it's the fourth of October is college football to be played but as of right now that's where I'm going to stand in the statement. I'm going to have the next about four months. Yeah Yeah I mean it's it's difficult not only because we don't have a crystal ball but it's difficult because you go back to the Ricky Williams trade that the bengals did not make and then they drafted who they wanted as their quarterback and that whole thing just set this franchise back for years. There's so you look at that and you can kind of way the options there I personally. I like Justin in Herbert more than two A so. I mean I guess if you're able to to move back and still get Herbert while the dolphins may take two or or something like that then I would do that. I mean I mean both seemed very promising. I just think that herber does more with less around him in terms of talent than than to a does because is Alabama's Alabama but you know there are people who think too is much better than Herbert's. I understand that too so you know I I. It's it's it's a hard one to say I I would maybe say yes depending on where those pixar in which you know all that kind of stuff but it and you know you're you're also talking about getting Rosen he's he's this kind of guy a roller coaster term self so and who knows how he's GonNa react in terms of being on three teams and three years big ifs there I don't really see it happening and I don't see the vandals does having the number one overall pick anyway but we'll see any others. We WanNa get you before we get out of here John. I'm just not looking forward to these. Don't waste the pick on a quarterback willing to drop off line. I'm not looking forward to that debate. let's see here why is under. Smith Year because the scouts and they he knew Andreas name and the signed to help him because they have more than before a lot of familiarity lot of that went on Bengal Scott new report anything else know that that just doesn't yeah yeah there. There are plenty others that there was a long one to a a really well thought out fortunately a little long to get you on the on the air but it was from from todd in Scranton. PA TODD IN SCRANTON long we'll try and get that on on the next episode or something He's a obviously a fan of the office but he's deep in Pittsburgh. In a steelers territory said he's bengals fan so I don't envy him on that front but I'm thanks everybody for tuning in. Thank you for submitting all of your questions. We tried to get as many any as we could on the different platforms were were juggling in Simul simulcasting on appreciate you joining us. Enjoy your weekend be sure to subscribe to our channels else Youtube spotify stitcher itunes. 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How to Apply How to Win Friends and Influence People (with Amber and Charles Colaw)

Thrivetime Show | Business School without the BS

31:20 min | 10 months ago

How to Apply How to Win Friends and Influence People (with Amber and Charles Colaw)

"In October of nineteen thirty six a man wrote a book about personal communication and persuasion that became an international bestseller and that book is called how to win friends and influence people. The Guy who wrote the book is often called Dale Carnegie but really his name is pronounced Dale Carnegie on today's show. We have a thrive who reached out to us and asked. I love the book how to win friends and influence people. But how do you actually apply the book? How do you apply how to win? Friends influence people when managing your team. How do you apply how infringed influence people when you're managing relationships with customers? And how do you apply to win friends and influence people when you're dealing with customer complaints all this and more on? Today's very practical edition of the thrive time. Show where they? I appreciate your letting me in the studio here with you. Not I want to share something before we get into the show. That's all right well toll booth Willie on. I'm glad you got a chance to visit the studio today. A shirt what do you got? Where now can I have? We do have time. I wanted to share about a manuscript accompanying sound. I've been working on. While being in the tollbooth and called how to lose friends on inspire. Everyone sounds really incredible. How did you ever get the idea what what inspired you to write? This song in this manuscript were hours working inside. The box and cars were coming by and we were like. Hey I forgot my eighty five cents and forgot my change. Could I use a credit card like are no? You know we're in another car will come by and they would say like if you know. Nice lady in a minivan with kids and everything you know come back come back from a soccer tournament or something you know. And they'd say Sir. We forgot our change Could you could you take credit card and Mike no and so really what inspired the Blue Book and then the sound was a depression And quiet desperation as I wash my soul die slowly over the last twenty years that box. Well that's that's pretty dark. I appreciate you for sharing. Still free to go ahead and just cygnus I. You know thirty seconds or so of your song in Bemba make it quick. 'cause WE GOTTA get into Today's interview in today's show where we break down the book how to win friends and influence people late to myself retain. Now were above ground. Box It's Ryan Kaufman bulletproof glass and some locks around Auburn Providence. Kill marseils after my shift our day he and above ground box. That's all I got so far but I just got your listeners would need to hear it. Well I think it checks all the boxes. It's low energy it's an uninspired and I'm GONNA go out on a limb here and say that it's probably not going to win you over any friends okay. Well that's that's fine. I just WANNA say one more thing before you start your France. Show terribly out there. Who's ever driven on turn? Pack didn't bring change and you're going out toll booth. Willie or a good guy. I didn't bring a change. Could you let me go this time? Could you could you let me through well? First off ignorance is no excuse to know and three. I love giving you a ticket. It inspires me because your pain is my gain. Some shows don't need us a liberty in the reiter to introduce this show. This show us to may eight. Kids Co created by two different women thirteen multimillion dollar businesses majors and gentleman. Welcome to thrive time Shaw signs. Yes yes yes. And yes thrived nation. I cannot be more excited to be here with you today. And on today's show we are responding to a question from a listener. Who wanted to know? How do you apply how to win friends and influence people? How do you think it's a great book? Hey I read the book. I liked the book. Dale Carnegie is names actually pronounced Dale Carnegie. I read his book how to win friends and influence people but how to actually apply it and so on today's show we're joined with two experts in my opinion in the field of communication because they're business owners and they've had to communicate to the marketplace for years that co law fitness is essentially like planet fitness meets Chick-fil-a. They've had to explain over and over again. If you're looking for like a planet fitness gym but with the culture of CHICK-FIL-A COME CHECK OUT CO LA fitness. Charles Coghlan Amoco. Welcome to the show. How are you guys? Oh yes we are about to be here. I'm excited to have you guys and I want to ask you this. Have you guys glanced at the book how to win friends and influence people? Have you dove into that book? Have Glance have not read it but I have looked at some of the notes on it so well. I'm going to summarize the book for everybody out there. Real quick basically five five points in the book and the Big Book. There's more points but I'm just GonNa make it very simple cliff notes. Version report needs benefits close isolate objection. Report needs benefits closed isolate objection so basically if you want to influence people. Step one build report with them. Dale Carnegie Rights. You can make more friends in two months becoming interested in other people than you can in two years by trying to get other people interested in you. At Colo. fitness people love the gym experience. That's great how do you get people to love the experience though Charles? Because there's a lot of gyms you come into the gym and you feel cold. You feel like nobody cares about you. You don't build a relationship and you don't build any friendships and you don't come back. What things disco law fitness do to actually build a rapport with your clients? Well that's great question. Klay because a lot of times you have the people that start working the front desk. They had never had a lot of jobs. Or they don't have a lot of experience that so we try to script that and teach that and what it is is showing people that you genuinely care and I try to actually create created an acronym that we used within our business called act acts acknowledged your presence so a presence Closed the gap and then physical touch. And that's like in a healthy way that hey and you and you do all of that by smiling with your eyes and teeth so that your genuine and that allows people to see that you're safe you want to address their needs and make a connection there. What is closed the gap mean like you? Just if you're at the desk in your desk between you and another person you take at least take a step forward towards somebody and so you're you know acknowledges the presence smiling with your eyes and teeth and you generally have a script and then you step forward towards them. Their presence is accepted in wanted. And it's intentional intentional. So Act as your program which is again a acknowledging acknowledge their presence got it and then closed the gap. Close the gap. So if you can get around and actually walk around and shake their hand or you just do a pat on the shoulder. Something that's like. Hey value you as a human and You know it's like that like like a puppy you've gotta stretch from behind the ears. Scratch you on the ears and make them feel good but you intentional about this. Yes and so we have to train this if you have like these new. Let's say a lot of these. New millennials are on their technical devices and they don't have a lot of social interactions. So they don't pick up on that quick and so we have to actually just expect them to not know it and so we teach these not be annoyed by it but you expect them not to know. Teach it to them correct now. I WanNa talk about this Closed the physical space amber. You're a female. You're married to a guy with a large arms and you said accidents for again is acknowledged acknowledge their presence close. The gap in t is touch. I talk to me. Because you've you've you've seen your husband trained people and when you're training people and a GM people might not know what is appropriate. And I'm sure there's been times where somebody's done some weird stuff where you're that's not happening so I wanNA take us right into the lion's den where we don't want to talk about this but let's talk about the rules. You have as a female entrepreneur for that physical touch. So what does that look like? We think it's good to talk about it We open very open. Communication in our marriage. we always try to communicate and we also tried to set boundaries long before the problem comes and so there is appropriate touch and Charles is a super friendly loving guy and anybody who knows him knows. You'RE GONNA probably get a hug from him. You're probably going to get a high five But he'll never he's never inappropriate. He loves people and it just. It's obvious in the way he carries himself. But we do have to set those boundaries trainer. Staff in what is and is not a joke. Generally we try to do you like give them a fist. Bump below pat on the shoulder touch the elbow or shoulder as they come in generally like the very first time knowledge knowledged present smile. Lean towards them and as time goes on. You're like you just hey great to see you start using their name. But that's just the stuff that we teach of when we do our hiring shadowing and that way we see that they either get it or the because you know some people are just kind of socially weird and they just are a little bit too forward. The guy's motive is to to touch every girl. This is not going to honestly think I don't think it is I. I'm not. I'm not speculating that I think. Sometimes it's not taught him. I say by default. Almost every time I found it wasn't taught at home gallery and just as an example we had in our office one of our companies about a year ago. I won't mention the specifics but we had a member of the team. Who comment to a lady man. You're looking great today. And she didn't want to hear and she's definitely on the marriage side and he is on the married side and he was like I don't know what the deal is but she looks at me all angry and I'm going. It's like when you lost your wall. Where did you put it lasts? I'm like what did you say to her last. I don't know I mean I just she catch. Oh I know she got a new hairstyle and I said wow you look beautiful and I go. You didn't say that did you. And he goes. Yeah I did. I said she looked beautiful and I thought she just wanted to knowledge. And I'm like okay. Okay and then. What else did you say? And we start unpacking. And he's like well what's wrong with now. He's from a family where everyone's like. Oh you're beautiful. There's a Lotta hugging and there's a lot of that's kind of his family and I'm going you can't assume that's the norm. We worked through it but again I want everybody out their homework number. One number one. You need to make script for building report that consists of five specific lines that you want your team to say maximum when grading New People five specific lines five maximum. Five specific lines maximum. Now go on to step two of the book here again. How To win friends and influence people the summary needs once you build rapport. You gotTa Find. Someone's need you say your. What are your fitness goals? What do you want to do with your cabinets? What kind of pool do you want to install? You want to find the problem that you can solve. And Dale Carnegie Rights when dealing with people remember that you're not dealing with creatures of logic but with creatures bristling with prejudice and motivated by pride in Vanity. So when you meet with a human in. They're not in shape and you own a gym like this. You don't walk up to him and say so now that we've built report. It looks like you need to lose some weight. Looks like that's enough but you see trainers that do that. I've seen I've been to gyms where it's happened. I've seen people do need to be here. I see trainers that literally make fun of how small a guy's legs are as a sales technique. I've seen this before Charles if you guys have an uplifting experience co law fitness dot com. Tell us about this when dealing with people you know that yeah you could point out how you look. You need to lose forty seven pounds. But you don't do that. Talk to you about the loving. Kind Wade. You guys at Colo fitness. Try to find the needs of your new members in a way that leaves them feeling. Good we actually have a one sheet at the front and we say this is what we offer. What are you guys interested in like? Farzin trainer instruction. They can tell you exactly what to do for losing weight you can. We've got idiot proof templates. You can follow through help. You be a follow program and then we have them but have tanning massage. You can bring a friend for free you get free trainer instruction they can get free trainer instruction and tell me about what you're wanting to accomplish literally look at this document the reading through all these things to say free free free free free and no up sales and they're looking at it and they're like. Wow Wow wow like well. I'm I'm looking to wait shapes on their like awesome. Well if you want you can look over here right to your right. We have literally listened. People say lost. I lost weight. I feel great. This is a great pro. Proof statement social fits all right at the front right. Tangential made it into a thing absolutely so they see that their needs are being met by Saturday. Guide customers on. Tv's Origo so that then gives them that say that their mind saying Oh wow. This is perfect in tension will be intentional. Be Intentional everybody out there make a script today for Rapport. Make a script here for the needs now. Benefits kind of ties into the knees once. You have a problem which you've found the problem you want to put you. WanNa make a one sheet. Which Charles just spoke about you make a one sheet the one eight and a half by eleven sheet of paper that states the facts states problems you can solve supported by facts they used before and after photos testimonials. They have the most reviews of any fitness company in the region. You look up to Pika. Gyms Joplin Gyms Bartlesville James. They have the most reviews from real client's real objective reviews and deal Carnegie says he says actions speak louder than words in a smile. Says I like you you make me happy? I'm glad to see you. So you WanNa you wanna be kind McAfee but then you also have to have facts. You can't just have empty promises. You got to have those proof that what you're saying is true again. Make a one sheet now. Step four the close the call to. Action. It's not mean to ask for somebody's money in exchange for the problems you're solving and I'm sure Charles you never ever. We're on a place where you undercharged amber. I'm sure he's never undercharging. Go for the close here to win friends and influence people. They'll carnegie says if some people are so hungry for a feeling of importance that they actually go insane to get it. Imagine what miracle you and I can achieve by giving people honest appreciation this side of insanity again. He's saying you gotta go for the clothes with the call to action. Make people feel the way they need to feel ever? Did you ever catch your husband closing a bunch of deals and actually not being profitable back in the day yes? He was notorious for giving away the farm. Why House we would call it. He is so generous he loves helping people and so we had to give him price sheets he had to fall. We had to give him form C. Had to complete did you make your deposit checks dead. We would find. Oh I mentioned this because so many people listening right now you have just read how to win friends and influence people. You are having a piffle going. Oh my gosh I now feel good. I am excited. That's called entertainment. I'm excited but I WANNA help you turn this into reality. You need to do what? Colo fitness has done. What Amber Charleston need to distill proven systems into tangible action items? You need to script out those five report building question script out. The five needs finding questions script out your benefits. Make a one sheet script at a price sheet like amber said. That's good it's the call to action and then you have to ask people. Do you want this package or that package? Charles over the close what happens. Oh Yeah it's a No-go I make sure that if the decision is already I put myself ideologically buyers seat and I look at. They just went through the the value proposition of listed all the benefits. They see the price Paradis and then I tried to give them only like two options. Because here's the deal like humans get so caught up if they see like ten or twelve options. Yeah and so I try to make it where each one of them makes that because anytime a human has to make a decision it creates US mental fatigue and creates a mental dissonance experience. And so I just wanted to. There is some other membership options. We have but I only lists two on our chic. That's like ninety. Five percent of everybody buys like certain two options on a price. You only target that so the front is really trained on that. They're really confident. That night Zerorez. That is very very easy for the consumer to make a decision. So you again we. What is Carnegie Teaching? How To win? Friends and influence people. Okay one report. You've got a script out those five report building questions to needs. You got a script out. Those five needs finding questions. Three benefits. Don't say a problem that you can solve unless you can prove it. Don't say you help people lose weight unless you have before and after photos. Don't say you're the best homebuilder in Oklahoma unless you can prove it with reviews and verifiable verifiable evidence as example of what happens when you script all this stuff out though show homes. I got a text message from Aaron Anton Friday last year against Shaw home since I've coached from thirty. Seven million in gross revenue of thirty-seven million of annual sales to eighty one million in annual say. Oh Yeah now if you take twelve months a year and you divide that by. There's eighty one million. We divide that by twelve eighty eighty-one divided by twelve. That means they would have to six point. Seven five million dollars of sales a month to keep up. That pace. January is the slowest month of the year. Last January we did just a little under three million dollars of sales so far in January and we are not in February yet as of the time we recording this they are now up to over. Ten million of Sales Sean homes is on pace to do two hundred hundred dollars of sales this year over three fold increase. Yeah it's three hundred and sixty eight percent up so far so a few more days. Why because like went into the company? I find out what works well. Aaron antiques has has sold himself almost a billion dollars of homes. I networks this just in that were out. Let's let's again what's copy? What works building questions? Five needs based question. Let's get benefits. We've got a guy who used to teach tumbling six months. Who has sold seven million dollars of houses this month? I mean then you build the call to action that you build your five closing questions six isolate objections it's might be called the FAQ sheet. Charles you're GONNA get asked every week. Where the bathrooms where the bathrooms? How much is tanning? Where the bathrooms showers. How can park park there tonight? Bring my friend wherever you want. What if I want to cancel amber? Why do you have to take the time to sit down and think about all of the questions that you frequently asked? Why do you have to take the time out to script it out at Colo Fitness Dot Com? You WanNa help the customer and you WanNa make it a no brainer. We've already gone through all of those questions for you. We've provided answers and we WANNA make your your sign up process your first visit your whole time being a member as enjoyable as possible. One of the takeaways on just thought. That problem is like a lot of times you have front. It's high time people are signing up. People may stop by need to cancel my membership moving or something and I don't like it when both people are ones on boarding off boarding same time it just kinda like it's just a weird deal and so what I like is the fact that we have all of that information. Say Absolutely. Here's your stuff. Call this this is our customer service. They'll pick up the phone right now handle all that and that can give that person away from the desk if there's issue or and that way the sales acquisition is an awesome. And usually this is what this is this someone cancels it co La fitness and. I know this because I've worked with gyms before they go. You know I haven't worked out ever and I have all these amenities and I just wonder if I can get a refund real quick because I paid and I know you've you've paid a mortgage or a lease for the light bill for the staff but I I signed up just not been there this year at all and I just WanNa refund for the whole thing and it's your fault and they slip in and I just WanNa refund real quick for the whole thing. Yeah I just real quick just kind of and then you'll go the way it works. It's month to month like cable bill. You don't get a refund if you don't use your phone a lot or your TV a lot. But we can't just cancel out right now. It's all good. I'm going to have to get a refund over here and all of a sudden loud because that's removed they've been taught that's how you the squeaky wheel gets the oil and it kills the person next to like who's thinking about signing up there going. Oh No this is how all your members are. And it's just weird so you've thought through that again be intentional script out your Faq now Dell Cardi says a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion. Still so you want to do is script out how to convey it how to communicate so our listener asks the question Nathan Asks. So how do you apply how to win friends and influence people to employee relationships? Well what you do. Is You make script for report. Needs benefits close and isolating objections for employees. Yup well then how do you? How do you apply how to win? Friends and influence people to customer complaints. Well you build a script with report heath benefits close and isolated objections you say. Well how do I then does this book for dealing with potential customers? You build a script for report and he'd been if it's close isolate objections you gotTa have script for all these things once you have a script once you nail you can scale it. Now we have another question from thrive and I wanted to speak to this. They're kind of in a little bit of a tighter budget. How many people work with you guys at seven people? Seventy people forty-five corporate team of five and we have about ninety or more employees close to one hundred people ish about ninety five and so you have people on your team you can now pay to write search engine content for you right. There was a time we first started working with you where we wrote content for you and then we taught your team. Your team does it. This listener is wanting to know. Should I keep spending all my money on ad words or should I invest money in in Google optimization now I personally a huge fan of google optimization because with Google a Joplin gyms right? Now you guys are top and you're gonNA stay top as long as you're adding content but Edwards is like fool's gold your top for the weekend and then after you get to the end of your budget you spend those three hundred dollars for those pay per click ads. You're to the bottom of Google again. What advice would you have objectively? Not a coach not a consultant. Your business owner. What advice would you have for somebody? Who's a little bit leery about investing paying his team to write content ongoing? Well I tell you what you're doing is you're investing things that are going to last longer than just a paid ad. So it's it's basically investing into training your staff on how to get objective good reviews making sure that your stash really doing that That's going to help. You know populate more on the site map get a better presence for your website making sure that a company like Klay that fully understands how to make sure that you're you're hitting all the little key indicators for your website being built and then making sure that all these articles that you're writing about have good role than content Plays got a great acronym for that. He'll go over that with you but these are things you've got to be constantly doing in your company if you WanNa have top presence on social media on search engine optimization and the dollars you spend in there I th. I would believe we're going to last ten to twenty times longer than just buying Google ads and things like that. So what I've done is if you go to the best. Seo Book Dot Com the best SEO book dotcom everybody out. There can download my new book. Search engine domination for free. You Download the book opened up to Chapter. Two and on there. You'll see a checklist and everything on that. 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Get a video review from happy customer every day at an image that is optimized to your website. We can teach you how to do that. And other shows three right search engine content at least a thousand words of content per page and four. Get those Google reviews video reviews images optimized search engine optimization content and more Google reviews. Now if you do that consistently you're going to see this cool thing called the search results you see when you search for Joplin gyms everybody do a search right now for Joplin gyms and if you live in Joplin sign up already but do a search for Joplin gyms and you're gonNA find fitness with four thousand one hundred thirty nine reviews planet fitness betting number two with two hundred sixty one reviews what. I mean that's like an NBA game. Where the one team scores a thousand points team scores. Twenty you're killing him. Four thousand one hundred thirty nine reviews to two hundred sixty one. Your video reviews. You can't fake those. Those aren't holograms. Homeys those are real people. You've got to be consistent if you want to win. I'm GonNa Give Amber Mike for the final. Take home point here. Consistency is king. We all get motivated. We all listen to podcasts or read books or go to seminars. We all get fired up for a moment. You've been fired up. For how many years have you guys been fired up about? Colo fitness earth. Fifteen years. Help somebody out to that. Struggling with consistency what feedback would you have for them about the consistency? If they have a coach about showing up and doing their action items and if they don't about just being accountable to themselves. Talk to them about consistency. You just have to determine what your goal is. And then you need to break it down into items. That are doable. And you just do one a day and it's not what you can do in a day. It's not what you can do in a week or a month but it's what you can do over a long period of time so just being consistent at the small things and the small habits and putting those in place on your calendar scheduled you protect those items you even like. We've we have a lot of friends that struggle with this just to show up at a small group every week same time place. The group's getting smaller maybe kidding swollen because things come up So they're not truly committed to the group. It's whatever comes across their plate so you really have to protect your calendar and your time. Let's get amber. I was going to also add that With the Thrive Group in their business coaching. What I love is they break it down into one. Two three easy action items every week and the goal is if you just freaking stick with them for like three years or two of trying to sound crazy but you're only going to get one to three items really done because most you guys are working in your business on the day to day and you don't have a lot of time to work on the business so you you'll say I can do everything in the first meeting. Just give me all of it but if you say. I'm to budget to stay consistent with the program. Do One two three action items. Be Realistic with my coach. Three years later. That's like one hundred and fifty action will transform your whole comp told me this he said you know. Klay. We've been getting two percent better every week for five and a half years. He tapped me on the show today. So I got on the show I gotta be on the show. I tell you something. I said what he goes when you started coaching me. I was a startup and I didn't know mortgages that start up. I did two hundred fifty one million dollars mortgage sales. Oh yes and then I mean that is wow and shah homes. They're sending me text messages going. We're on pace. Remember started thirty. Seven million dollars of revenue there on pace right now if they if they just keep the pace they so far there I mean right now. This is crazy ended last year. Eighty one million dollars at their current pace month per month. Sales the last two months there on pasted you twitter and sixty five million dollars sales and again they just do their accidents. We're getting better every week and eat. Clay has helped us really document create create really good checklists and and and in each department with quantitative scorecards. Everything every week is getting done and we're not trying to do everything at once. We slowly add more and more and more every department gets all the action items on every week. Now we've gotTa do possible Scalable prototype like a franchise prototype that you know. We can hand it to any other person. He's gone somebody can grab that fought. Make sure that all the marketing getting on making sure all the call center making sure the customer service stuff taken care of but all of this to say you know we're on track to triple possibly triple company in the next nine months and this is where we've worked for fifty fifteen years. Yup and our proposed grow sales of we hit what we think. We're GONNA hit off based upon our history. We should maybe three times to at least a revenue of what we do previous. You're so all I ask for his Lamborghini rides so I'm looking at whereas Lambert now if you're out there today and you feel stuck don't be go to thrive time show. Dot Com and book. Your tickets to our next in-person drive time show. Workshop money back guaranteed. It is the world's highest rated and most reviewed business workshop. My Name's Clark. That is Amber Cola and Charles Law and each and every show now that he further at three to bought Oh.

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NEW - Judd Apatow - 06/16/20

The Moment with Brian Koppelman

59:47 min | 9 months ago

NEW - Judd Apatow - 06/16/20

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You'll only find sleepnumber at sleepnumber stores, or by visiting www dot sleepnumber dot com slash cadence. Hey, this is the moment Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening super excited to have a second time. Appearance here on the moment by a world class, writer, director and producer Judd appetizer. Whose new film King of Staten Island I watched this weekend and man. What a great thing to get to see can. Thank, you I, was an early guests on the show right pretty early in in the run. Yeah, well I was thinking about this I went back and looked just before we start. It was twenty fifteen men, and this is kind of where I wanted to start with you, which is? The world was entirely different. When we talked in Twenty fifteen. and. And so I, kind of want to talk to you about life. Is You know because as I said to you last time it's funny jet I. Mean You and I are not friends, but we we. We have so many friends in common that we know each other. but we're not friends, but we should be, but we don't know what to do about it. Yes, exactly right, but we have like a full because we're just in the same world all all the time. And have a real affinity for I have a real affinity for you and I. Do look at someone who I watch. You navigate the world. Through these difficult times and I. I get a lot out of seeing the way. Your value system has been interacting with the world for the last four years because I see somebody who's. A feels as buffeted by all of this as I do, and feels a similar duty to like. Do whatever little pieces he can to try his best when he has the strength to to help and. I'm just like even podcasting almost feels wrong now like what are you? What is your self talk around? Continuing to do the work that you do in a world that's like on fire. I have a three. Mine's on all of this. One is. I have a real sense that we're all supposed to be really loud right now. And so. As someone who? Thinks about the Holocaust way too much. Yeah, as as we do here at our house. Yes, I have a general. Feeling That there were times in our history in our country and other countries where people were just quiet and whenever you think. How did that happen there that happen there? Most of it is people standing by, and not making a lot of as not complaining, not getting involved when something terrible was developing, and that just was a feeling like. Oh, I'm supposed to be loud and obnoxious, and I may lose a lot of people who might like me, but baby that doesn't matter at all grand scheme of things I. Just need to sound the alarm. And then at the same time. You know there's always that part of your mind that's like. Is that doing any good? And would it be better to just quietly to benefits for people and support in quiet ways, people who are really getting stuff done like I like to do things with the ACLU because they're in the courts, and most of this happens in the courts or supporting certain politicians, but. Generally I try to do that in addition to being loud. because. It just feels morally wrong to not be part of the collective voice and sometimes. I think we'll does my voice even penetrated anyway, but then I tried to think of it like we're all waves on the ocean like we all have to be doing it. You know what I mean like. It doesn't matter if I penetrate because. We need everyone to penetrate like we're all in this right, and so everyone needs to do it, and if I don't do it that anyone could not do it and I think that it's definitely been something that creates problems at times, but so. So worth it, you do lose people. There are people just like I'm not gonNA. Watch your stuff anymore. and then I think well I don't know if if your world is about saying sick people should wear a mask I. Maybe I don't care. Maybe maybe doesn't matter and I and I'm certainly in a position. You know I'm in my fifties. I've done a lot of work. It can all go away. This point and I was able to say a lot of things that I. don't have that terror about that that I would have had as a younger person. Right, but then so then I agree with every word you just said. And I made a pretty cautious decision as the season of billions was. About to air the first half of the season because we got interrupted by covid that. I was still going to speak out. And if that meant that, some people campaigned against people watching the show, I was going to deal with it. You know I couldn't. You know there's a an argument to be made to to sort of get quieter in certain key moments, but I felt like it would be just totally inauthentic, and also as you said I feel like you have to screen fire. When you see the fire, you can't hope that wait until they get to the quiet part of the movie. And then all right well. We saw that and now we can let you know. We can stop everyone before the fire takes over so. I did the same thing, but then. What you've talked to yourself about well I'm still going to go do this work. Instead of the voting all my you know, I'm still going to go, make comedy that has feelings as opposed to. Spending all my time five. How do you get it up to to to think that what we do matters? I think it's hard, but what my wife. Leslie always says to me is. That I can have more impact. Just making what I make in in terms of. In whatever way art. Helps. People find their love and their compassion, and they're concerned about other people that that's what the work is about and. The totality of the work hopefully has changed some hearts, and that you know it sounds Corny, but it is, it is one of the main reasons. Do you want people to think about how they affect others? You WanNa think about the ways we're separated, you know I think a lot about channeling now I think about what. You say and you know there's a thing in Buddhism, which is the illusion of separateness that you have to get over the illusion of separateness that we are all connected. We are all one and a lot of conservative and Republican thought is. A, real Darwinian an randy in every man for himself survival of the fittest philosophy. And the truth is that will lead to our demise if we don't lift each other up, we're going to destroy ourselves in one way or or another, for instance, if you're just a wealthy person, and you don't care about climate change, and you don't care about your kids and your grandkids, and and it's just not your priority then. Then the world is not going to survive I. If so, you need everyone to join together and make sacrifices. I'm always amazed by politicians. Don't ask people to just I dunno drive less or use less water like you don't even hear those messages in the culture anymore. About anything affecting anything. Yes and no I agree with that and I think the way to that Sometimes. It seems when they think about A. Their the. Things like the grandkids. It's like well. If I can amash generational wealth, I can pass it onto the grandkids, and they can insulate themselves from. Yes, they create their bubble in the middle of the woods that no one can get into. So how do you manage? How do you manage that? Because like you know you've been and I? Hadn't thought about this, but when we said it. Know. I mean you've amassed. Generational wealth, and so how do you think about not about your personal? Giving I know you're very charitable person. But how do you do the math in your own head? About and I was thinking about watching your incredibly talented and amazing actor daughter in the movie kills it I. Mean She's tremendously great. Thank you, but how do you think she really is i? mean she really is a standout and has always been great on online and everything, but this movie really is. A great sort of like. Introduction to hurt a bigger part of the world as this person who can really hold down the screen and look in. You'll be really intelligent and all that stuff. And But but I I have to thank you. You and Leslie gave it a lot of thought before casting her in such a big part and. Sort of these ideas of. Generational stuff passing forward like that it it has to 'cause I. Imagine you'd think a lot about well. How do I help her become? A contributing member of society. What is the downside of also allowing this to happen? Like? How do you do that? How do you weigh all that? I have a very simple theory about all of that. Which is you know? A cobbler's kids make shoes. And so for my kids to go into the same industry is me is natural as a lot of doctors and their kids become youngsters and that's. And that's fine. I mean. We all love Shits Creek. That's because Eugene, Levy son, Dan Levy created that show they all do it together and Sean Penn's parents. Were you know you know in filmmaking in? Directing and acting. That's you know that's just part of what it is I'd never really. Think about that part of it I. DO think about. you know wanting my kids to be good people to care to to be involved to be involved politically in a way that. They're comfortable with and be good people I don't mind paying taxes, and I wouldn't mind paying a lot more taxes and I've always felt that way. That's that's really what it comes down to. And if there was a gigantic estate tax, I would have no issue with that at all I. Mean obviously something's going wrong in the country when the wealth of the of the. High Wellness. All the money's going to the richest people I read a no I was listening to a podcast about this the other day and was about. How it was on Sam Harris's podcast and it was about meritocracy and basically said that it doesn't really work anymore. Because the people the top have the system, so figured out and games at this point that it isn't America crecy that you're never going to get rid of the people at the top because they have it all figured out in terms of their education in terms of opportunity in terms of how they run things so I've always read I'm happy to pay taxes. I'm happy to look at all changes. Let me tell you what I don't like Brian. I've sat with people wealthy people complaining about their taxes talking about. Let's move to Florida because the tax rates lower and I'm like my God. You are like so wealthy, and you'd lear your bitching about your tax rate like you'll never spend your money you, don't you? You have houses with with Help in them waiting future show up, and maybe you show up three weeks a year and those same people are bitching about tax rates, and there's something deeply wrong about that. You know when you know when we're about to have a trillionaire. In this country. The world doesn't work at all those people. We're going to give our money to charity or give or money to charity. Remember that the agreement. All got richer in the last bunch of years since they said that. Every single one of those wealth has gone up exponentially in the last three months. The richest people in the world got so much richer. The system serves them because they get it. They understand something going to have such a headstart and all shared information. It's all some form of kind of insider. Trading is the right word, but. Having so much inside information that kind of crony capitalism become so immoral. And you know I. Think we all should start about that because it relates to everything that people are protesting about which is, the system doesn't let people rise. That's true our our our. Chapelle talks about a beautifully and I mean. Our TV show is about that and. We each season of the show has has has made this. This more clear like we've consciously sort stripped away a bunch of stuff so I. Agree with you and I think the taxes. Thing is easy for somebody to sort of ignore, but it's really. It's really valid. which is that people who have money who? Sort of entire reason for choosing who to vote for is to pay less taxes are. Ignoring all the structural inequality in the system so. Could be everyone else that they're gonNA. Get Rich. I mean they've got people who are never going to have the money. Bill Gates think I don't want that. Tax rates for people who earn more than fifty million dollars to be too high because I, I'd be there one day. Well that's the aspirational part of the American dream for sure. That's just baked in culturally and it's really hard to. Defeat that I mean that's that you know that question, but. So for you making the work matter just to return to this because I had a thought watching Staten Island which is. When I was thinking about the conversation. You must be having with yourself about all the things that. All the sort of the the full focus has to go into a movie that you're GonNa. Write direct and how you decide to make it still matter to you while the world on fire. I was then listening to that the CONDO. The the the movies having the whole time, which is about what is worth. What is it worth sacrificing four? And what are you sacrificing? And what should the people who are left behind? How do they square the legacy of someone who sacrifices and I'm I'm wondering if that conversation. Starts at the baseball game in which carries through to the end the movie really. Great Shot for you know on the firetruck heading to. Heading to fight the fire and going in. How consciously did that resonate for you? As a sort of central question in this time, where the sense of duty seems to be very far away from the way, many people are thinking about you know living in the United States. Well I. Started thinking about this idea years before. We started writing this movie i. You know. Sometimes, you feel like you've been preparing to write something. I. Don't know if you've had this experience. Where just you feel something bubbling up on you so around the time I did the podcast with you? In two thousand fifteen I kept thinking what what don't I write about? And it occurred to me that I didn't write about sacrifice. And For me. That's not a common thought. You know I'm a comedy person. A lot of my work has been about coming of age stories or I like to write about relationships and. Why they're difficult, and how are you know are different life, histories and traumas make it. So complicated. And I was thinking well. You never write about sacrifice. So. What would that be? And then I wrote a movie with a friend about returning soldiers from Afghanistan. And I wasn't sure that it. It was where it needed to be. and then I. I started trying to write a play about. People getting out of jail and would that experiences like and how hard society is on them. And I did a Lotta research on that and wasn't sure how to do it. And then I met Pete. And he started talking about his dad and he was talking a lot about how it was hard for him to. Deal with the fact that his father was willing to die for strangers. And, what does that mean for him and his family and we talked about this for years. You know. What does it mean? When you're dedicated like that, and then I met all these firefighters, and then I met all these firefighters. Who Lost Friends on nine eleven. And I realized that they had that. They were kind of happier than most people I know. That they had a feeling. Of Comfort in their life's purpose. And their energy was different than Hollywood writers and actors and directors and executives. They seem comfortable, not that they don't have problems at a lot of the same problems as everybody else, but they had an energy that was very. Different and one thing that I tried to do in the movie in a subtle way is just show that they're. They're all feeling pretty good about themselves. They have a a, I. Don't even know if I want to call it. Self esteem, but they have like a comfort in their skin in a way because they know that that they're actually engaged in serving yes, and and in a way. That's what. I hope the movie says the people. Maybe it's even on an unconscious level that we do need to serve each other. We do need to sacrifice four each other, and we're not going to be able to make the world better or even survive it if we don't. We have to be there for each other and a fireman is a metaphor for everything. He Bill Burr jumps in the building and Pete watches bill walk in a building on fire. And that's what the movie is about trying to. Understand what that means and Yeah, that's like that that that that was one of my favorite moments in in the picture was. When when Shammy Who's casting was just gotTA. I'll ask you about that, but when Bouchette who I know, was firemen all that stuff when Bush Emmy looks over at Pete, and it's like they got. These guys know what they're doing. And there was this thing about this legacy, and you know Shammy is can't go in anymore his body. You don't even say but clear. He can't go in there anymore do it, but he's served. He's done it and I just. Just thought there was something so gorgeous in that in that, so human and gorgeous, and in what was being communicated in in that moment, and I love that you didn't have a big big scene of shammy talking about how much he wished, he could still get in there and do the thing because he played it with a kind of a calm of I've done and I can let the next guys do it now that I thought was. Beautiful. Did you guys talk about it? You and Steve it all or Is, that just the Energy Brooke that that is the energy he brought, and we didn't even talk about it in terms of that he wouldn't be allowed to do what they were doing. We just said well. What job would this guy have? And we did want him to be able to talk to Pete? And he said well he would be The show for is what it's called. The person drives the truck and. There is a soulful to Stephen. shamming which is very powerful. He does have that spirit. He was a firefighter in little Italy in the early eighties before his acting career took off and we knew that he would have that. You know that warm energy that would be important for Pete because. Some of what the movie about is about is almost repainting of Pete's character that by being around these people. He is learning lessons that he needs. He needs to learn so move forward and it was powerful for Pete to be in a firehouse for weeks at a time. He had spent that kind of time. At a firehouse since his father died, he said he used to go to these yearly nine eleven memorial dinners, but then he stopped because it was too sad for him. So I think being around the community was very healing for him just in making the movie and doing the research and everything i. Just going going back to this notion of sacrifice, because as you were talking about about this, it's like. If I think about pretty much. Maybe, not every president, but most of the president's in our lifetime before this one. I believed. Put to the test would sacrifice. Like would do the thing they had to do to sacrifice I'm talking about both parties you know. and. This is the first one who is so clear. I disagree with every single policy that both George Bush's I've but like. There's no doubt to me. In a certain kind of situation, those guys would have thrown their body in front of something to save a kit for instance yes. This is like the first guy I could think of who you just doesn't have. It's just not in his wiring. Right as an artist who looks and studies people judge. Do you like, do you? Don't you look at this guy and like there's just no way he would sacrifice himself for somebody else. Here's a detail. I noticed during the election. They would play. You know these old interviews with him like Howard Stern and there was a section in one of them where he was just bragging about having never changed one diaper. And right as anyone who's appear knows that's the best you know. That's the best moments of having. A baby is being a caring for your baby like there's nothing weird about changing diaper. There's nothing gross about. It's kind of the coolest thing in the world is. GETTING UP! You know that he didn't get up with his kids. Either in the middle of the night and we didn't do change a diaper during the day and so. So. The strangeness of Not Wanting to be part of something that personal and intimate and loving is so weird, but then just wanting to brag about it, as if it makes you a man and in a way, it's the same as telling people not to wear masks. It's the same thing like I don't look tough like I don't tough changing a diaper. There's something wrong with this person I mean. He is a malignant narcissist. This isn't just. He's not like a character. He's not just like A. You know a unique man. There is really something wrong with his mind. Someone hurt him. Someone broke him. He doesn't have that empathy and compassion that you need a leader. And he and he also just doesn't make any sense and I feel like people now finally are getting it and even people who supported him in much larger numbers. But I think it's been obvious to anybody who's paid attention to him. Even a celebrity from day one. He was always a Weirdo. And that's what was fun about. The apprentice is that his opinions didn't make sense that he would lash out at people for reasons that you didn't see coming. He took strange angles at how he judged people and you were fascinated by it not because the game was logical, but because you had this demented man at the center of it, that's a brilliant take I mean. I could never bring myself to watch it. I don't mean your from Long Island right. Yes. Are you from aren't? Right and you know I'm from Rosalind so like I mean we grew up twelve minutes from each other so for me those characters I just knew guys like that my whole life, so it's very easy for me to understand exactly the ways in which I wouldn't trust and it's so confusing to me. You know those were the guys you would see in those north shore restaurants and who you know cared about where they sat in those restaurants, and you would watch them. No, you know you would watch them. bragging about who they were their conquests and stuff and you just knew what they were an all these. Shocking to me that so many people. Just didn't grow up. Kind of aware of that species of con man. You can't grow up where you and I did without not knowing exactly what that is well, I read all of his books now I know he doesn't write. His books brings on the ghostwriter. Maybe they chat a little bit, or you know someone in his world, you know fills them in on his opinions, but. In one of his books, he has an entire page where he lists. The great ways we treat immigrants in detention facilities and he's mocking that people want to be treated humanely the idea that they want to use a phone the idea that they would like to. You know to maybe have a television there or to eat. Healthy way, and it's all in the book before. This before he was elected, you know how extreme and how vicious he is, and of course, a guy who doesn't lose sleep about putting kids in cages does not know how to respond to racial problems in the country. I mean he's the guy who cages kids and that really hasn't changed. I mean in the middle of these riots. The amount of Executive orders he's. He's put through it. All sorts of areas the environment how we handle immigration. They're all despicable, and it makes you wonder does even know they're happening. Is it just Stephen Miller quietly, saying hey. Dynamics to push through while everyone's busy, and you don't really know how much of a puppet he is because he doesn't. He doesn't seem like he has a real mastery of facts or even. The choices that the government is making it's more like. He's he's in. He's in the web of a bunch of sinister minds, and he's sinister, and it just gets pushed forward well as a movie character. He sort of like dumber version of Victor. Maitland you know and. From Beverly Hills Cop, which is I think he would find what he perceives as weakness to be funny almost and. He. There's a sadistic Leonid so I think Miller can wink at him in a way that lets him know you're going to like this, and then he goes along with it all right. We don't have to have to go the whole way on this, but. Well, let me say. One thing positive because it's also negative. As as troubling as it is when the world erupts. Yes. Things are changing. Things are moving. It's like something was clogged and we'll see how far it goes, but like the metoo movement you feel this explosion of sentiment where people are saying enough is enough. What can we do and now is the moment where we go all right well. What are the rules for cops? If someone is running away. What is the rule? When do you use a rubber bullet versus a real bullet you know? How do we hold officers? Accountable and people are beginning to educate themselves about the specifics of this. The that most people probably haven't before, and so at least there's. Big Conversations having ended election. Right on the. Heels of it. I agree with you. I was thinking about why this movie got to actually come in direct it. And write it and I did read it as in some way. Reacting I in some way right this. This idea of noble sacrifice. Being I could see why it resonated for you, and then I was thinking about these movies that that you've worked on over the past few years. As a producer to you know I was thinking about Canal and Emily's movie and Goldman's documentary. Ns and and I was thinking that there's something that attracts you to these stories of. People, who weren't really seen? For who they could be or what they could be, and or were limited, somehow by the place they came from. You Know Kumail and Gary and Pete. Were sort of limited by certain expectations that were put on them, and and you help tell these stories that. Articulate. This stuff I mean. Gary obviously wrote his himself, but there is something in the fact that you decided. You. You were touched by his stories and this thing he went through. What is it? Do you think that in in their work that? That draws you in when when you when you find some, you know someone like me or Goldman or because you know Goldman. My wife and I were intimately involved and Gary Journey I. Mean I don't if you know. Gary when Gary talks about his friend Amy. Saves Him. That's my wife. And what is it about that that? That draws you into, you think. It's funny because I only recently started connecting the dots. Working on and what it might mean for my mental states. I. You. Know I think as a person who loves comedy. You start out just trying to be funny. And so for me, you know. I made this summer camp movie I worked on Cable Guy that I worked with shandling. Who taught me a lot about digging deep into your personal material? And trying to reveal the core of people and he talked a lot about. You know people love each other, but something gets in the way. And, I? Don't know if I understood it as deeply as I do now when I was working there i. don't think I did. I think I was still living in. What's the funny way to do this? And then. I think on freaks and Geeks I learned something from Paul. Feed who really understood. You the the sorrow in being. Unseen. And these kids were so special, but they were treated like they were garbage and. I felt that way as a kid I didn't feel I. Mistreated I just felt left out. We'll make friends real athletes or Part of other cliques and I felt like no one really likes what I like. And I'm not really valued that much for this interest in comedy and and and what I wanted to do. But I think it all turned in a big way. Probably with Lena. who was so brave about saying? This is exactly who I am. Here's I'm going to be naked emotionally I wanna be naked physically and I understand how people feel about it. And I'm going to tell stories and satirize. My world, and then she talked about mental illness and obsessive compulsive disorder in a very brave way and I think that made me realize. Oh, you can go so much deeper than I even. And that led to working. You know with. Amy. you talk about some difficult subjects like her father having Ms and I think it related to everything Chris and. You're talking about being women and not feeling like they had measured up. Their careers were working well and they were married yet as the characters in bridesmaids. This Shane and Leslie. My wife always talked about how women were not represented well in show business and a description terrible shallow. It was very hard for women. So for me. I thought well I'd love to be a part of that change and when I met Camille and Emily I think I realize. Oh, there's a way for me to make stories about communities I am not in if I partner up with people. and. That changed a lot of it for me because I wanted to do it. I wasn't sure how I thought I'm not a good writer to talk about other people's experience, which I haven't had and I thought it would offend. People is well and so I think slowly figured out a way to team up with people to make movies about underrepresented people or or ideas. Does the. Does the obligation that you commit yourself to ever feel really heavy to you as you get older and realize how hard it is to like, push the boulder up the mountain. Because you know when you say to someone, okay, let's write this. I'M GONNA. Get in there with you. I'm going to. It is like. It's such a big commitment and it and it it I've had experiences along this line. where it it. It sometimes can feel. Gosh I don't WanNa. Let these people down. Very do you. Do you feel that you feel the way to that ever I? Do completely and. I don't know if it's healthier unhealthy, but it certainly wakes you up in the morning. Yes. It does after keeping you up at night. because. He was going to say I'm willing to share. My deepest trauma with you for us to create a movie that hopefully is good and funny, but also touches, people and helps people process their grief. If the movie's Bad. It's the worst movie in the world. Would people really messed that up and you don't get the tone right, and it's whatever chew sentimental or coronary or whatever? It's an embarrassment. It's a massive embarrassment and I always felt that way working with my family like if this bad, it's really bad, and of course I also know it's you have to be in that terrain to do something great. You can't do something great unless you're taking that risk. That's why I was so proud of Pete because he was taking bigger risks as you can take because it is. Based fictional, but it's based on feelings of him and his mom and his sister, and there's nothing more sacred than that, so yes, it's scary as anything, but it's also exciting. And if you take years to try to figure it out by the time you say, let shoot it. You feel pretty good that you have a handle on it. Well I remember. I remember when you first. Contacted Goldman. To say you're through, Michael, or whoever it happened and he called our house and said Judd wants to do this with me, you know all of my wife started crying and everybody in the felt like cures. Gary the best comed-, arguably the best joke writer in the world. And not recognized for it in the way that he should be at that time and. You decide. You're going to do this in about that subject matter because you and I haven't talked since the we've talked online a bunch of we haven't talked about this the Goldman. I want to touch on it because I do think it's the comedy special of the year. And it changed. It changed his life completely and for us for Amien me. It felt like well. Well Amy in particular was there to help change changed. Help Gary Change himself along, so he could get to the point of doing this. Then you know you took it from there, like took the baton and helped him. Get it across the finish line at. Are you aware that when you make a call like that and you say I'm going to do this with you. Are you aware of the ripple effect of that, and does that feel pressurized to you or does that only feel like okay? This is going to be a win I. Once I make that call. I'm sort of guaranteeing in my head that it's going to be a win I think what I ask someone to do that. I so believe in them. that. I feel like we're going to pull it off. That's that's that's how. I do have a confidence from watching what you know. Someone like Gary is doing that. The work is insightful and funny and brilliant, and it deserves to be seen and. I think the best part about. Having a track record and having people look at my. List of projects and go you know they go well. Most of them are pretty good I don't data from our disaster you know some of them have made money sort of lost money, but no, but that's a big deal. Not being disastrous business a big deal man. Yeah, I mean. Even the ones that didn't work. The Bachelor or noble efforts and people are proud, and for the most part they do well enough and every once in a while something. Out So if I can give that credibility to symbolize Gerry and also an environment where we're going to be tough on him and ask hard questions and developed with him, but also we're gonNA protect him, and he has final. Say over everything. So that it will always be his piece of art, then I feel like people can do their best work because they feel like okay I'm not in a scary situation because you know that. When you're a comedian, a writer director. Sometimes you accidentally connect with people who don't understand what you're doing. This. and. Notes make no sense and the projects start spiraling out. And, so the best thing I can do with someone like Jerry is just go I. Have Your back and I get what you're doing and here's how I think you could make it better in a way that inspires him and gets them excited, not scared that at the last minute. Judd's going to fuck this up. No, he I mean yeah. He felt totally taken care of through that whole thing in the in the best way, and then when it hit man. Did it feel like? Did you feel great about the fact that? When it happened because I found it moving that when the special incredibly moving and being there when recorded, but I found the reaction to it so deeply moving and. Like you know because you guys did this incredible amount of good like people felt seeing this thing. We started by talking about this thing that you're interested in people who are. In a way showing people that you can that they are seeing that they matter all these people reacted to Gary special in such an incredibly cheap way so that it changed his career obviously and put him in the place. He's supposed to be an professionally, but also it did a world of good to me. It's like a win in every way. Did it feel like that, too you? Definitely did we had a similar experience when we did? The Chris Gathered Hbo Special, which was of course, career suicide. And Chris Special you know was incredible. One man show about his journey with his You know mental health issues and and suicidal ideation, and it resulted in him getting tens of thousands of messages. On facebook from people who felt seen? Who felt like him? Expressing this gave them hope the fact that he had found a way through it, and he talked about how he got through the hard times so. When we met Gary. We thought well. This is important. This type of work is important and I also thought there shouldn't just be one of these. We did it once. That's never do it again, and you know when I was working with Pete on the King of Staten Island. He said to me. Kid Cudi's music which discuss his mental health. Issues! was what helped Pete get through it as a kid. That was someone that related to what? was going through. That voice was so important to him. And that's what I'm most proud of with all three projects. It also raises the question. For me personally. How come you doing three shows in a row about mental health depression suicide? It's clearly on my mind, somehow and I should talk to my tooth therapies about it, but I am so glad that it has that effect on people. It when the King of Staten Island gets released I get a lot of tweets and messages from people and you could tell there will be people on a difficult night. They'll put on Gary Coleman or the CASSATT NYLAND and. It will help them in some way to process or understand themselves or find hope in a moment, and that's really what it's there for YA. Let let I agree with you I completely think that that that tracks for me. Let's just talk a little bit about the style of the movie. You know in your films. Sometimes you have tighter approach and sometimes looser and here you have a looser approach. I can feel where where the scenes have some improvisation, not necessarily even just comedic improvisation. Where there are times you're letting. People say stuff the way that they would say it. And how do you sort of decide which approach suits thing like when you want to be exactly on script when you want it to be? Looser I mean. You have Bob Ellsworth the best cinematographer and the game probably and it. It's a different approach than often takes to with the camera in that the camera to has a very kind of a loose and. Not Exactly Verite, but there is a verite element to it that often ellsworth stuff is highly highly composed and here it seems you were making a conscious effort not to like live in that space. I think that when you do comedy. A lot of times you'd locked down the camera because people are improvising and playing and if the cameras moving. There's always the potential that someone will say or do something incredible and the cameras you'll, you'll miss it. And I think the biggest choice I made was to not care if I missed it and yes. So to shoot this more like a Sidney lumet movie then how I would normally shoot it and. Every every movie you know begins with the conversation. About what should it look like? How should it move? I worked with a fade in Papa Michael. This is forty, and I love how movies sideways looked, and so we tried to have that life like energy where you really felt like. You're living with this family I think the difference with Bob as we were in A. Gritty. Staten Island and we wanted to feel like there was. A lack of hope. And that Pete was a bit of a manic character and the camera work would reflect. The fact that everyone is on eggshells around Pete. In the film they're all concerned about him. They all think anything can happen at any moment, and that's what he did in. In working in this style, but for me I think in terms of the comedic style. Sometimes it's the lead person determines it. Seth. rogan speaks in jokes. In real life. He just talks almost in perfect joke structure. and. That sets a tone for a reality level in style, because that's really who he is and Pete speaks in this sort of shambling. Rambling like not rambling, but he's he's sort of like. Find his way to it. So that was part of what the scenes in the movie we're GonNa feel like. If you just pizza never witty. In the entire movie. Hits all character driven. You know he's outrageous. He's Brash. He's honest when you least expect it. He's manic, but he's not witty reminds me when I worked on the TV show. The critic was one of my first jobs, and I'm the only idiot in the room. Everyone is like Harvard educated and I remember making some dirty joke in the room. And the writers. I think Ken Keeler. Judd you've outwitted us again. But I I think that because that's pete style. It felt like the entire movie should support that that vibe and it should feel like the way people talk on staten. Island I think in some movies I'm making a choice. To make, everyone is funny as they can be I I. Love Albert Brooks in Broadcast News. You know there are these movies where the writing is just so sharp and funny, and in emotional and I think a Lotta Times that's what I'm going for, and sometimes with success, sometimes with limited success. But in this one, the style of why it's funny was was very different. Yeah It was watching it too. I love that you pointed out the way that this question of what because yes, this movie is less verbal has less sort of verbal pyrotechnics than most I would say most of your movies do. And there're pyrotechnics all over the place in terms of like you, said the outrageousness or inside characters and what they do, there's the great. Run by by Vecchione, solders, roommate Bekjan, which I love seeing. And Which? I also love that. You decided to keep that in the movie, which is just? I did know because you could see. Someone decided to cut that out of the movie. Because its besides well know right I'm sure it's a conversation. You editors had well. I mean I'm sure to watch cassidy. Jake Cassidy a little. There's no way Jake Cassidy didn't look at you and say. Do we need this? He was a big proponent of it but I. Guess on my part. That sequence which is a piece in the firehouse. He's living in the firehouse sequence. You don't want it to be the. Simple Pete learns about life Corny. Bondage Hodge so. You're looking for things off kilter and Mike you had these this amazing run about bedbugs and how they've ruined his life and. What I like about it for character is. These guys are not all noble people, there also hilarious pranksters and their strange. It's not just solemn good people. There's also neurotic flipping out about bedbugs. How did you okay? This is useful I think for people who write and wanted director directing a first movie. See said Vecchione Vecchione had that great run. How did you find that great run? Like. Did vecchione do that in stand up. Did you just hear him saying it one day when you're at the table at the seller like what's the process by which that shows up on set and makes its way into a movie. Someone communicated to me. The VECCHIONE has a problem with bedbugs and. I. Assume it's in his act although never seen him, do it onstage right I. Would think that it is because he's so funny about about the assault of bedbugs and we were shooting different firefighters in different locations. To, ask questions Vecchione in the movie when someone told you that he was already in the movie or were going, yes, he was in the movie, and and then at some point, trying to figure out what firefighter is doing. What with Pete during this montage and we knew that we wanted to show all the different shores. And at some point someone. Probably just said evacuate twenty runabout bedbugs. He's he's. He's obsessed with bedbugs and. And I think. I assume probably. In rehearsal, but maybe not I don't have a great memory about it, but I know on the day you know we shot for about. Twenty th straight minutes talking about bed bugs and here said to Mike you just to Mike. Compete, talk about bedbugs is that it's not scripted. It's not written down right zero. Zero scripted as he does that. We started seeing. That, we ask him to repeat certain things that I. I I don't know about you. I'm sure you do the same thing as I'm watching anything. That's loose I'm in the editing room in my hat. Yes, yes, yes, I'm just going. Okay. That's that's that's a thirty eight seconds. How can that happen in twelve seconds? And I'm I'm asking him to. Adjust during it and I'm imagining how it'll function, but what has none of it does wind up in the movie? There were an enormous amount of runs. That didn't make it. There was a great run where bill was at dinner at the college with the Family Bill Burr and he's just explaining why Boston is Great. And he's explaining why it's better than new. York, and he's like you know even got better. Pizza even pizzas better in Boston Norton. Better in Boston and He's talking about the Chunnel and the Red Sox and and tons of hilarious stuff, but when we got into editing, we realize. That we had this one where they talking about going to see the place stomp, and it was enough to to serve the purpose of Pete Listening to bill babble and hate him. As. Part of their family. And how does it work with people who are less like I thought I thought Marisa Tomei was just mind bogglingly great in the film gotTa wanted to watch her endlessly. Everything is in her face. I mean she's just one of the great performance I think. But I do I looking through the movie She's done I'm not sure she's been in much. That's that's sort of. Has This improvisational? Feel, so how did you get her? Like sort of used to it or comfort whether or are those scenes shot in a way? That's more tied to the script. Is, one of those funny people. Who will say, this isn't my thing. Although she was in. Movie by the do laws. Brothers called Siris. with Jonah Hill in John, c reilly, that couldn't be better that I believe is. Heavily improvised. So how I would do it as I would just do it in rehearsal. A Lot, we spend a lot of days riffing in rehearsal. Some of that is to find ideas that we could bring back on the stage. Some of it winds up the script. And it's also just get comfortable sitting with bill Burr talking and building a reporter and sitting with Pete. How do they feel as as a mother and son? Can I get them to place where the actually seem like the are related, and that requires rehearsal just to get used to looking at each other and and getting a sense, each other's rhythms has weird rhythms. Marissa's trying to figure out how she would react at Pete because. Especially in rehearsals, Pete's really nervous about making the movie. And so we haven't started shopping yet. He's uncomfortable and she sees all his real pain in the rehearsal. It's not like she's working with an actor. She's working with someone. That's really experiencing. It and I think that that. That process. Allowed her to. Figure out, however she does how a mother would react to a son that is in constant crisis. Yeah that makes sense to me. I mean she's I- everyone's GonNa. Be Talking about Burr's performance and rightly so but I do think what Marissa does in the movie makes the movie work Oh. Yeah, because the it's the. It's the key relationships. The key way that we look at what's going on with Pete is sort of through Marissa's. Is You know and and we wanted to tell a story about? What it's like to be the parent of somebody who? Self harms. Hit It on the news that much. But that is the subtext. Is that they've been through this trauma. He and her son is having a hard time figuring out how to get his life together, but also there's this danger that he's the guy in the car closing his eyes, and so the idea of dating or having her own life. Actually in her mind puts her son in danger, and that's that's the cycle they're locked into. She doesn't know how to have boundaries with him. She doesn't know when to push them out of the nest because she's nervous about this, and it's a wonderful wonderful moment with his sister with with your daughter when he when when? He says she says something like. Are you going to hurt yourself? Because probably probably it's GonNa probably I am. and I know I mean it's great, because it really does set the table for sort of what you were worried about. Bill Burr politics jurors are not exactly the same. Does that stuff ever come up? I don't even know that trip. Because we never talked about it and once the entire process well, it may not be true it just from his last special. It's like I. Don't think he I'm sure I can't imagine he doesn't see trump. Trump is, but I'm saying just you know. When I look at his comedy, he draws certainly he looks at the world from a certain perspective. Let's say that's not like you're so. You don't care about that stuff. In terms of casting people, you'd cast somebody who's politics widely diverge if you like their work and they're a good person. I I love comedy. I think he's unbelievably funny I. I love the whole conceit of the point of view of his act. That doesn't mean I. listened to every routine and say that's exactly how I feel, but I think he's. And as someone. WHO's worked with him? I think he's the most fierce comedian I've ever seen every performance, even the in situations where the stakes are low. Bill is doing it like it's Madison Square Garden and I. Really think that he is an important voice and yeah, we're all debating like. What should we talk about, but you know for me I. Want all the different opinions I don't like cruelty. That's the only thing that sometimes bumps for me, but it doesn't, but but we all have different ideas about what what makes something cruel. And I feel like we're still has a big heart and I always see that in everything that he does. And he really was amazing to work with just so smart and sensitive, and I had the best experience with him, but I also didn't feel like. Let's start the day talking politics because. The issues are so intense that it would just distract him what we're doing. We only have so much time in so much energy. And I don't think that we would solve anything in that conversation that would help the world but I do think it would be on the same side of most issues more than you would more than you would think. I believe it way better than I would. How did you know he could pull it off? He did an episode of crashing. Yes, and he was fantastic and I watched the dailies. And just thought. Why isn't bill doing more of this? He. He was also funny and human, and also very comfortable, being vulnerable and sweet. He just had so many other sides and I know you know he does amazing work on efforts for family, and he was great in on breaking bad, but. This clearly wasn't his career focus to be an actor and I think that he's as good as they get and having collaborated with him. In the rehearsals that onset I mean so much of what he did is from him in improvisations in discussions and. I think it's a beautiful relationship. Because the movie is really about Cana kid led a new father figure into his life, and you love bill you could tell. Bill Loves Pete and so it's fun to watch fight. Dance! Yeah. He's totally as loveable as you could possibly be in the movie. Man. Thanks for doing this. It's great to get to talk to you I'm really glad you got to make this movie and. If this represents the end of a certain kind of triptych, or just the first of your deck log about this kind of depression, for whatever comes next I'm ready seventy. Let's do it. Good, van. Good good to talk to, you could find on twitter. He's on there I. Think you're on Instagram to. For sure I am so as hats. Honey appetite, so you know that's the most important instagram account, so follow the cats on instagram. You can find me at Ryan Kaufman. You write. A moment became a gmail.com. Save your emails telling me why I'm wrong about the president. All right, take care man. Talk to you soon. Be well, thanks very.

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Maggie Haberman 10/2/18

The Moment with Brian Koppelman

1:01:40 hr | 2 years ago

Maggie Haberman 10/2/18

"This episode of the moment with Brian Koppelman is brought to you by Amazon Alexa skills. Find your favorites kills today just say, Alexa. What are your popular skills on any Alexa enabled device. Hey, this is the moment, Brian. Cobble meant thanks for listening. Our guest today is Maggie Haberman of the New York Times, Maggie. Thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. I invited you on here on Twitter a couple of times, and I promise that it would be polite that was before we got to know each other as we had closed mutual friends. Now won't be all I know now I get it. I can't no guarantees. I've been fascinated with the position. I, I would say, you found yourself with us on the position. You've put yourself in through a lot of work and focus, but I feel that you are in a a particular and fascinating unique spot in the culture right now found myself, I think was right. Actually. I mean, I think, yes, I worked hard over a long period of time, but I didn't expect that I was going to be covering the White House two years ago when this campaign ended. Right said this is this is this is a happenstance moment. I mean, I think that I think that I have known Donald Trump for a while and in a way that must my colleagues didn't said that put me in a unique position. He is obsessed with the New York Times. So that puts me in unique position at all of us in a more unique position. But the confluence of, you know, my knowing him plus the paper that captured his imagination in a way that. Else does has created something. I've heard you talk about that stuff. I, I did a pretty deep dive and listened to a bunch of podcasts at a bunch of interviews, and thanks, I think. Yeah, I'm sorry for your loss of time. One thing that struck me and this isn't about Trump is about you is it is. It seems to me that humans, it's clear humans need some time to reflect and to downshift processing time. Decompression, I think anywhere this is going to it's just clear from your interviews like that long form episode was almost SNL level. It was horrible. The way I was with him, I felt so bad, but it was almost l. level in the your lack of ability to disconnect from we all understand it. Right, because we're in a way you are. You're a cynic Deke for the rest of us and our engagement with this. I don't disengage my colleague amateurs. I actually had a great piece today in the Sunday review about how everybody is sort of addicted to the Trump show. And I do think that there is something to that. So yes, I think for those of us who are serving as sort of the the adapters. Right? Like we're the cords by which the material is flowing through there is some of that, and I think there I have felt an obligation to not disconnect because if you disconnect you lose your place but isn't there. But I want this is what I want to question at. I wanna question that because the adaptor has to run has to run clean without, sir. Yes. And part of your job is to not just be an adopted, but to be prism in a way in a way. I mean, I think that look that has been, you're raising something that I think has been the an issue and you know this very well for the last two years of the what, what the role of journalists is in this moment in time? Yeah. And so journalists play very different roles. I, I do think that it is. I have taken more steps back now than I did during a lot of the interviews and podcasts that you're talking about, especially the long form one with max landscape where I was literally writing a story as we were talking, which was nuts and like not ideal, but but was necessary because we had this interview setup and something was breaking at that moment and there was nothing I could do about it. Now I can step back a little bit more because the cavenaugh stuff which actually is like authentically not clear where it's going right. Whereas like much of these things have been kind of showy and. Aside from that in the last two months has actually been easier to take a step back and reflect. I wish I had been able to before that. It's not so much. I guess I see it as let's have a choice. Then I think some people. Because I understand it right. I understand the impulse to let the work speak for. It's the immediacy of the work snow. The also the immediacy of the word drive the process in a way. But as a human as I'm watching the Showtime show, also the fourth estate gives one I was at the premiere of that, and I would say it, it engendered in me a real empathy for you that I didn't have before, but the question is inks. Yeah, before I really angry, but. But the question is. Would you do your? Is it possible you would do the job better if you built in two hours a day or an hour a day to meditate journal, like disconnect from the endorphin hit? I guess it depends what the definition of better is. Right. What do you think though. I don't think that I would do the job better on the day to day. I think that what I would be able to do and I have started doing this actually and again, because time permits now is I can look down the field a little bit more. I can communicate with colleagues who are working on similar things, and we can compare notes about what this one is heard without one is heard on my way here, I was talking to a colleague about something that she had heard, and then I had heard something related to it this morning in the light bulb went off in my head, and I think we think that these things are related that you wouldn't know that if we weren't talking all the time and to be clear, there's other colleagues. So I've had these kinds of conversations with, but I'm able to sort of expand the repertoire. I think now that things are calming a little bit and it's a little easier. What about inside you, though? The churn? Are you able because as a human right yard of this, are you, do you find it necessary or do you think? Well, I'll just pay for it later. I don't even I, I don't. That's actually not even a conversation I'm having. And maybe that's a problem. So I always. Think about this when this when this comes up. I, my metabolism was formed partly at politico where I was for five years and I had a blah at two blogs actually. But honestly, I mean, I came to politico with a certain metabolism, and it was just sort of beaten into my brain over a decade. Almost a decade by an editor I had who I love and who I'm forever grateful for named Greg Birnbaum who's now in BC, but I will never forget that in two thousand one. I was assigned to Mike Bloomberg for the Merrill race, and I was very angry because it's like this guy's not gonna win. I can't believe this is so unfair. I, it's just an I. I don't know who I thought I was twenty six. Assure course and it was, and, but so, but but everybody was convinced this guy was pure and fray. And why are you attached to him and and Bloomberg was just empirically a bad candidate? Right. He was just he had never done this before. He didn't wanna learn. He didn't want to be taught and very early on one of my colleagues received from somewhere a piece of direct mail that Bloomberg had started sending out he, he sent out tons of direct mail that campaign. It was sort of unheard of how much he had done and in one of them, he described himself as running a hospital and he was referring to Johns Hopkins where he was, I think, on the board or might have been the chairman at one point, but it was it was a bit of a stretch to put it that way. And my editor said, we have to do a story on this and it was eight PM and I was getting ready to go meet my then boyfriend. Now, husband I said, I will do this in the morning and he said, no now, and it was ten of eight, and I was really agree, and I went back to my desk and we pushed it out. And so that has sort of helped form my. Response time. Right. I mean, there was a lot of that during that race of we hear something we have to do this right away, and I've never really changed how I do it. Do I think that it would be it? The news cycle has sped up, right? I mean, even then when we were trying to do things quickly, it was still a daily paper. You could get things on the web, but it was not quite the same. I worry about the speed at which this all takes place, especially because when we are also Twitter reliant, that tends to be part of the story will the the for me the the most disturbing moment of the fourth estate. And I, I haven't heard seen, you heard you asked about this, and I am really understand juxtaposition and how the way something shot in the way it really is Eva familiarity with that. I do understand that. But you know, there's this jarring moment when you're watching Trump's be to those police and your reporting. On a story, right? And your reporting on a very important story that John Kelly story that John Kelly is going to Ryan's is out. And what I was struck by because knowing what a thoughtful person you are in a human which Trump that's the day, Trump made the speech to those cops saying, you know, and it goes the question of what the role the journalist is, because so Trump makes a speech and he says, you know, from now on when you put the, you know, when you put a perp in a car, be so nice about their, he'll be so nice about their heads, feel free to bash their heads against the thing. Something like something along those lines. It was not quite like that. He said, you know, they did the crime. Now what he's when it was some. It wasn't even that explicit. It was to be clear. It was pretty explicit, but it was just take your hand off. He said, I think you're too nice. You don't have to protect their heads when you're putting them in the car. The last thing you said was take your hand off your off their head. They would have to check the clashes. I watched it. Positive. Okay. I thought take your hands. That was the end of it, but this is the point, right? You're writing a story and you leave there and you've got the story and you ain't everybody. In fact, you were really diligent in super impressively in waiting until you didn't jump it. You waited to to new till the tweet came from Trump, but then you know, you're driving away and you're like, I'm so happy and which I understood professionally. But the other thing that happened was Trump talked about nine. It was as much bigger deal and the annual rate. It's a really important. It's a really important piece and we had and to be clear. It was a conversation that I had with my editors about what he had said. It's not that we didn't know right is not in the show. You can see though in the show that I'm shaking my head as he's talking, it's not like I was sort of just missing this moment, but you're, you're raising a question of parodies and I think that that's a, I think that making those decisions on the at the speed. Right? Which way up when beating the post is important. This is the question or whomever is it's a legitimate question. I mean, so what I what I. I tend to think about is. Honestly, there's a lot of difference to sort of what my editors think is the priority, how I think how they think we should go about certain things, and that was the conversation that day right belatedly it became clear and it shouldn't have to your point. It should've been clear in real time what he had just said was a huge deal and it it should have been elevated. It should have been given its own headline. And I think that that was a mistake on my part. I think that it was a flaw that if I, if I could go back and do it over, I would, but how much better you than the president just that you can even say that. This is the world we're living in. It's an amazing thing for someone to admit, they made a mistake. It's incredible think that I think that part of the I have had this complaint about all coverage, not just our coverage that I think that we we all have gotten in. This is my point about people being addicted to the Trump show is I think that the chaos has become an addiction, and I think that like the castors is what it is and in some ways, it's actually not as bad as as it was in certain areas. He is who he is. He's no different than he was wearing the campaign every anyone who surprises kidding themselves or was. But I do think that there's a lot of things happening at agencies that we are missing. There are thinking one of his one of his skills as a politician, and this was part of how he survived the primaries was he would throw out so many things in each speech that. Nothing sort of permeated just this kind of sheen that he puts out there. Right. And so what you're talking about as an example of that because we were all focused that day on rhines leaving every sense that rights was about to be gone. And then as it turned out there was this far more significant thing that the chief law enforcement officer on the country was saying. So yes. I mean, I think just forget due process steamatic. Correct? And it's wish you and which we have seen repeatedly, right lure at the sandwiches. The irony of his conversation about cavenaugh which is that, you know, we're just going to set a precedent that's really terrible for this country. If if he I tweeted about this line that he had had at this at this press conference about what a terrible precedent that would be. And so many actually somebody near posted a tutorial. Page writer tweeted back at me also lock her up. I mean, which is exactly the point, right? So there are certain through lines of his speech and what he says that. I certainly wish I did more of that. I wish we all did more of. And that's a good example you ever even going beyond this Pacific. I, I mean, the the question I am asking is about. The pressures of the time and how they affect everyone. Calls you a genius all the time and spending three minutes with you. It's obvious house, don't know, warm out that it's clear how smart you are in two seconds of time spent together, but nobody can be at their smartest without sleep. You Frank. I mean, there's there's no question that that that look, there's a reason the pilots are told to go get some sleep, right? I mean, so this is it's the thing in. The thing in the glide will book when he talks about that one pilot, a crash, the plane. He forgot in in worrying about the micro pressures. He forgot the macro. Yes, and that is this is this is what you're saying. I don't have a great answer for it. Yeah, I mean, and I think the answer is we are. We are evolving and changing as we go and hoping that things become a little easier to have it. If you took two weeks, I literally can't, and it's not because I haven't tried. I mean, I did actually take a week this summer where I was pretty much off and that was the first one where I have really been off off. Let's see us the election, but yeah, I had I had. I had promised my kids look. I mean the that's the, but that's the. That's the other thing right is it's like there are. There is the real demands of the job. There's the real demands of my life. And so those are those are often incompatible, of course before before you add in the lack of sleep or anything else. So it's important that people remember because we dehumanize well, we as a culture now dehumanize. All these figures and Mullins petitions are denigrated and their members are denigrated. So Yes, What's their members aren't even been thinking a lot about. It's been fun. Just getting to know you a little bit because I have in my own way. Understand the question of the access journalism thing because before I watched the fourth estate and before you and I met him, realize we had a dear friend in common. I would be as angry with you because you are avatar in certain ways. We think you are avatar who can write this somehow, correct this somehow who can hold it to account and it's easy to forget. There's a person doing trying to balance all this stuff and trying to think ahead. And I'm wondering what that feels like to you. Well, I think I mean, a couple of things. I think that I, I hate the term access journalist some because, but with all due respect, you're almost using it. Like I mean, because you all have formed a concept of how I do my job. I'm saying what I'm saying is I understand it because I get it. I would have had a different conversation with you had not spent an hour together weeks ago. I just would've right. And I believe that. I mean, I think that I think that is. Have been covering government and campaigns for eighteen years. I will cover whether people talk to me or not. I will cover it whether they are helping me or not. Like we don't mean one of the things that I think is so jarring Donald Trump is president is that he cannot control what people say about him or write about him. In that a government devoted press corps doesn't need his permission to cover him, and he is very used part of the whole hallmark of his campaign. I mean, I sort of laugh when this gets said about, you know, access journalism or wherever because it's he was constantly cutting me out his campaign, Wisconsin cutting me out of ability even get near him during the campaign in various ways. I wrote a story about him, leaving open the idea of a Muslim registry in November twenty s fifteen, and he spent like several days attacking me for it. And it was like, and I was one of the only people who actually elevated that to like a larger story because I thought it was pretty important. There were reporters at other outlets. Who were like happily taking rides on his plane and things like that. You know, I, I mean, I right. I give Halpern a really hard time about that in real time though for what it's worth like in in in real time. I, I'm just saying like that is like that is taking something like that is a problem right in that respect. And so that's that's not how I covered him. That's not how I cover him, and but I think that like I think that there's also just a lot of frustration that people have about a, I think a lot of people don't understand what journalists do. And so I think that's a big thing. You're not one of them, but I'm saying a lot of people are and the I think that to the phrase that you used as want, hear a lot of who's gonna hold him accountable. There's one institution in this country that has the mandate of a check on executive power, and it is not. It is not journalists. It is. I mean, we we are. We've a check on our not just executive power congress as as opposed to be the check on executive power. They are choosing not to do that in ways that they. Clearly did with Obama chose to exert their power in ways they did with Clinton in ways that you know, I mean, go down the list. So this gets to the heart of something I wanna talk about, which is. Are you sure that. Are you sure you're not the one who doesn't know what the function of journalism. Yes, I'm quite confident because I'm not as sure. But I'm not sure. No, because because this is the question is the way we've all because the country was set up three branches that was supposed to be checks on each other. I understand what you're saying. I know shifts win the ground shakes, right, right. What does that mean? You know there there were people riding horses and buggies, long after there were cars and the question. Sure. And and the the question is when the whole thing starts skidding how does one decide the ways in which one should apply the bricks? Let me ask you a question and turn it back to you. What is it you think journalists should be doing differently? I think that the New York Times in particular, I can answer it this way. When I watch Mike Schmitz say he hasn't voted in the last two elections, and then I see the Rosenstein story and you defending it. I understand it completely. And in your shoes, I'd do it too. On the other hand. If as people who I won't say access journalism, I know you don't like it, but if. You. Have a level of access let you actually get a three hundred sixty degree picture of this person. The rest of us don't have, and I've heard the whispers from a lot of people around him who think that there are that he's unbalanced. Then if people are quietly talking about the twenty fifth amendment, do you have to duty to national to ultimate national security? Not to run that piece. I know I just I just don't bring. I mean, I understand the question that was asked a lot that day, but I think that number one, I think I, although I don't think this is what you are doing to be clear based on what you just said. I think you understand that this is not what a lot of people were doing, which was this was a Trump plant, which none of that none of that. But now let's get different question is how do you order if we're if democracy, if if what you said is true, and I think it is true that the congress is even if you go back to Johnson and before you can go back a long time and there was always this sense of patriotism, little Nixon. I mean, look at that that's the zone correct, but, but this idea that I completely disagreed with everything. George Bush said everything. George Bush the the ecclesiastical side of George Bush to me made. Him disqualified in a way to be president, but I never doubted that he had an ideal of America. You're saying that he net you never doubted that he put himself the country or something larger than I mean, look, that was the correct, but that was the theme of the McCain funeral right was or several funerals. Was that you know you are? He believed in something bigger than himself that it was not all about, you know, glory or personalization of it and set, but I don't. I still don't think that if one is if one takes it as fact, and I think there is certainly reason to do that that Donald Trump tends to think about what it means for him on almost any given thing. The not then. And I mean, I are reporting has shown that a again, then you. I still don't see how then you get to and therefore you should not report XYZ. I guess I just can't make that leap. That's all throughout what your savers have made the choice and even criticized for it. I man like papers have made their, it's these have not been made in a vacuum and they have not been made easily. And I guess it was when the norm slip. This is the question I have because actually I don't wanna prescribe. I can't say this is what it should be, but I can't ask the question that I think a lot of people ask, which is in an extra special circumstances are extra special methods called for an and if not, can you explain why not? So let me flip it back this way. What if rod Rosenstein Stein, excuse me is not the figure that Trump critics think he is. What if for instance, rod Rosenstein is not Bo working the Muller investigation. The way everyone has decided he is what if everyone looks at the complete picture, which is not just that he called. For a special counsel, but that before that he was fine having his memo be the basis by which Comey was fired, and it was not until after that that he suddenly did XYZ. So I think that is the that is the three sixty three sixty is that everyone has decided that Rosenstein is is x. and I'm saying actually our reporting shows Rosenstein might be x, y, and z. And I think it is important as important to show that as it is anything else, but this gets too. So that's valid fully valid, but it gets to this question of dispassionate, journalists, I understand. I totally understand, but you still believe I do that. It's called for I do. What circumstances can you imagine where wouldn't be called for. I'd really have to think about that and I don't want to give a flip answer that is recorded for charity, but I really have to think about that. But I really do think that I guess my general guiding principle is that Donald Trump is not going to be president forever. I understand that people are incredibly angry and incredibly scared. But I think that if we start changing the way we do our jobs, then I don't know how we go back when there is another president. I think about people like like will end so and vodka Halbe stuff. Right. And how an an and. An thorough and and and the idea of the journalist as dissident in hobbles case not case, right. The journalist is distant and the an often win that's called for history. When we look is winning a Thawra -tarian is is beginning to organize understand a systems for power, right? I understand that, but I guess we're not there. I don't think we're there yet now. I don't now. I think we suppose we could get there look, but that's guess that's the question. So you so that's right. You think we're in a situation yet where in thorns Harian is gr- grabbing the reins. So the thing he started saying about China messing with twenty eight right many of us paranoid Merrin many of us, paranoid people like going to be an excuse for deflection for when the elections are. The elections, it lend make himself try to make a bulwark, so he doesn't have to leave the White House and twenty one, I it is. It is. It is certainly understandable place to go. Do you think that that's crazy. I don't think it's crazy, but I also don't think that we can report based on the idea that that could be what's happening either. I think that that cannot be how that cannot dictate coverage decisions is on is on what might be happening. I think that is not what journalists should do. I think that he has. I have written and talked about his third -tarian leanings, his sympathy for dictators. I mean, he was pretty. He described himself as being in love with John, which I'm pretty sure if Obama had gone anywhere close to any approximation of that heads would have exploded all over the Senate Republican caucus. They would've said we have to impeach or something or something. I mean, it would have been, it would have been, it would have been problematic on, and so I don't. I don't think there's any question about how he views how he personally. Views power, right? I think so far, the institutions of the US have held him mostly in check which people don't actually want to look at for variety of reasons. But look, this is I don't know what's going to happen in November. Right. I mean, but but all evidence looks like there will be a flip who knows, but who knows? But I still think this is sort of something where voters have to decide what they want to do and then we can. And then we can assess whether there is a reason to question that to question, whether that will you're actually I was what I was afraid to is you're saying that there might have been election, tampering, right? I mean, like I, I just don't think we can. We can't base our coverage decisions based on on fears of of what could happen. We have written repeatedly about the possibility that elections could be tampered with. We have written about government officials saying that Russians are looking at hamper with the elections. I don't think there's anything more than we can do than right about that because we don't have subpoena power. We are not cops. We are not. I mean, I just I think that I think people this is I guess what I'm trying to say is I think people think that I think a lot of people who are very scared right now are looking for somebody to be a hero and so to go back to your Rosenstein question, I think maybe it's possible. Rod Rosenstein is not the hero. A lot of people thought that he was sure, and I think that that's a deep point. And you know more about that than I guess part of it is we, we have to believe, you know more about it than we do, but most people are not willing to do that. And that's part of the problem is I'm willing to shape that very much. But if you hop on Twitter at any given moment, there's a lot of disbelief out there what part of that comes from. So the one thing that I was and I told you this when I saw you, you know, when when I felt like you defended. Huckabee. Right? And that was a really that was his era who could be over and shall wolf and an end. And by the way you didn't do an Mitchell did, which was not at all, say. Anthropology. On the other hand, I will tell you how that read the way that that read to even savvy viewers of the media landscape was one of two things either your sympathies were with Sarah or you were protecting a source at the risk of chilling, the first of chilling. That's absurd, and that's not how I get my job. So why unders? Yes. But gosh, San how it read beat, what you're making an argument for why people shouldn't tweet. Not why people should change journalism. Okay. And said, number one and number two like so, look, if I could go back and undo that tweet, I absolutely would, but not for the reasons that you all think why them because my mother-in-law had died that morning and I shouldn't have been on Twitter period like, yeah. It's terrible and sarin. Thanks, but I'm in, but I. What I was actually trying to do is compare. Her staying to the Mercedes and match slap. Mercedes is a communications advisor and mad as a Republican strategist, and they're a married couple. They did this showy display of leaving and then walking out and then going to all the after parties. And so I mean, lately, Sarah stayed like, and so I didn't think that Michelle did anything that was out of bounds. I didn't think she did anything that was, you know, whatever. I mean, I think that that that was what I sort of couldn't get over where I was being attacked. People were sort of reading whatever this is the problem with Twitter too, is that you see one tweet, but you don't look at the other four right that the same person sent. I, I do think she was making fun of Sarah's looks. I know you don't agree with me, but that's fine. Other people do agree with me and I think that if you start making fun of somebody's looks, it makes it really hard for certain people to hear the rest of what you're saying and I think, oh, thank you. Do I look like Anita? Just to look like an looked like it needed some some some sugar. The then I think that I think that you, it's needless and you don't need to do it. There's enough material and how she does her job to make fun of like. So that was my issue with it. Right. But just to make, I actually got to say that whole thing. Well, I appreciate you. I appreciate you to me opportunity to say it and let Michelle wolf should here that I think I mean, or I don't really care what she hears, but I care. Yeah, people people can hear it, but I care what Michelle I underst-. That's fine. She's your friend that's lovely friendly and she really helped me when I was nervous on Seth Meyers a couple of times to choose a writer. She helped calm you down and get me ready to go. Super. So for that reason, do you ever think about how history will judge you in this time and your approach to covering Trump now? I mean, because if I did that, I think I would make myself crazy. But how do you not? How do you not do it? How do you? So are this valuable for people doing their jobs? So I don't think I could turn it off. Right? I don't like. I'm quite aware of the way people watch my show and I'm quite aware of the reactions to it and putting us busy what Chit repeatedly? Yes, I love over and over and over. I love it. You love to show. Thank you very happy. Thank you. But how do you so so talk about this. 'cause I think it's useful to people because all of us are walk. Most of us walk around. Really have to discipline ourselves, not to walk around wondering how we're being talked about Howard being going to be judged wondering what the ramifications for us will be later. I'm being very judge negativity right now. So I think that if I spent a whole lot of time thinking about and therefore are is, is Twitter going to be my legacy right now? People behave, then I really would drive myself crazy. I, I often reflect on there's a difference between thinking about how history will judge me or whether I look back day to day or week to week or month to month on whether there are things we could have done differently, and I always do that. And I have always done that long before Donald Trump was president. I have always gone back to stress test for myself, whether I would make the same decisions so that credible useful to, but that's not do that. Do you have like a journal? I know I talked into a tape. I talked to my husband, but my husband and I have this running conversation. When I say conversation, it's just me talk. And him. So because you don't want them to be spin it now I don't turn off because they just don't journal because it actually requires a level of just sitting there that is really hard for me right now. But so talking to a tape is easier, no type could basically in it, but but. But, but but the subpoena thing is a risk. It's not preventative for me, but it is something that I know a lot of people worry about and do you, but, but how do you, what's your, what's your process by which you will look at you? Wait six months and go back and be like, how can we've done this battery? It's usually a week or two weeks, and their story plays out more full out more fully. I just in the moment. There's just sort of no point because then I feel like we're reacting to cross-currents. How do you figure out who's lying to you? And who was just how do you who's lying? And mid is literally the best question that anyone asks and very few people ask it. So I appreciate it on it's really hard. And during the campaign, my then colleague, Ashley Parker, what is now the Washington Post who's fantastic. We developed a system. We always told each other who are sources were Schmidt, and I do this to a large degree to we will always tell each other who the sources are, and we would come up with you had to have to at least two. Two and preferably more sources, confirming there had to be overlap right on these pieces of information and if there aren't than everything else gets cut away. And so and some of it is also just having dealt with a lot of these people for a very long time over time, you develop sort of an ability to tell whether somebody is actually making a mistake or whether they are doing something that's dishonest. The motive frankly doesn't really matter to me at this point. All that. What what matters me is whether it's what's going in the papers, accurate. Although the motive might speak to a different largest well, but I think that we've really covered that there's a whole lot of line going on. I loved what you said on the Atlantic podcast. Where were you said it's not chest because it's not to opponent radar six teams and Mets. True. Yeah. The it's there are not. No, it's definitely not it's there are no. It's like rival. We used to be anyway, like rival gangs. It's a little less gang warfare now, but it is still every man for himself. So this is not some this is there's not dueling narratives. It's like it's rush Amman though as a great reference. And if anyone has wheel use that term, if anyone it hasn't seen the curious how film don't do useful to see and it's great also. Trump's ability to co-opt people to get people on his team in this thing. You talk a lot about how he wanted to get the elites in New York to like him and and the thing that you don't quite say, and I know why you don't quite say it, but it's underneath what you've sat a lot is that he was mostly considered a buffoon in New York by it was considered a fraud, and I'm not just feel like I'm not. That's not a judgement that I'm making that is how every business person I would talk to who had dealt with him. All would describe him. He was not a member of their groups. He was not a member of the partnership for New York City. He was not a member of revenue the real estate board of New York. He would tell people, I'm not a joiner, but in reality they didn't want him with Matt Mattielo would walk into a room. They would take that guy way more serious that guy's son more seriously than they would take correct. Donald Trump. Correct. So he wasn't able to co-opt. The people that he most wanted to get in this in this city and in a way it he ready to coopting those below him, but he thought were below him. That's I think that's the case still. Do you think? No, because now he's the president, so he's actually and he, he, he has such impact over whether Republicans down ballot when their primaries he has such tomorrow. I'm going to Tennessee where he's doing a rally. Marsha Blackburn is the Senate candidate, and if she wins, it will be because he helped drag her over the finish line. Do you believe? I know you can't won't answer the. I won't. I won't even ask it as a specific because you're no good Mansor. This Pacific heavy added. Okay. No, because I this, I'll ask you this Pacific later off the air on off the record, but do you believe this one image that Trump would do would blackmail somebody if he could. What was the name of that movie with with Michael? Pitt Naomi watts where they show up, do you know which one I'm talking about? There's there's a movie filmed in the Hamptons where two serial killers sort of show up in their house. Yes, that's the original Michael Hanneke movie? Yeah. Hanoch he made the original in German of its terrifying movie. Yes, I wouldn't go watch the remake because the first the original so terrifying. The remix, pretty scary director made both solid pull by the way. Thank you. It's a little. It's a little like that. It's a little. I don't know about whether I can't. I don't want to say whether he would blackmail someone's that's a crime, right? So, but what I do think is the way that he has gotten people to he has co-opted people is much like the Hanneke film. He shows up at their house and makes clear that if they don't do what he wants, he's going to do something terrible. So like whether it was reading Lindsey, Graham cell phone from a rally stage in South Carolina. The very beginning of the primaries reading a Senator self personal cell phone number out loud. Well, you just said Lindsey, Graham's name, and obviously that's what I was implying. So. So you do think it's possible that he would use whatever he could to leverage. Somebody will always do whatever he can deliver, whatever situation, where person without regard to morality. Opinion, this is only opinion in your. I don't think it's without total totally without. I actually don't. You don't know. I think that there are. I think that there are instances and they usually involve either a member of his family or somebody who he's very personal close to where he would not do that. I don't think that this is like a universal. I know that there's there's a perception that he'll sell anybody out, including members of his own family, but rebut, but saying to Iran and Senator though that he would do something without regard to morality, potentially. I think it depends on what the thing is. I think that's a very hard question to answer. Fine. That depends on what the thing is. So, okay, this is the way I wrote down this question that we sort of got, I'm just gonna ask it the way I wrote it down, which is if Trump does have true aims to attain leader, and if he's declared you the opposition, why is civil colloquy still desirable. What's the advantage of it because isn't civil colloquy, the objective no matter what. So why should we abandon that too? As reporters, I, I just don't get that idea that like somebody's doing exa, you should do why I understand that his his political critics feel that way. But I think that he has tried to make us into the opposition party. And that does not mean we should therefore become the opposition party and to abandon civil discourse goes toward that. That's my. I mean, what should we? 'cause you don't think that we're in the Republic like you just don't see it that way. So you don't see it that, but you know that those people didn't see it that way either. I it doesn't that ever does it never worry you that does it never? Were you the slow creep of authoritarianism, the Hannah Arendt yet. I know you've read all of it, but so then what are the ways in which we're obligated to who's the we? I mean, this is up citizens. The citizenry who's aware of different. That's a different question than what journalists should be doing. What you're both and you're a mom of. A person in this society, a really smart person in this side. Because right now we still have a system that is a two party system. And so if you are going against him, then you are by definition with the other party. And I do not think journalists should be doing that period. You would be if you felt that in twenty s if if in twenty twenty and since you're not a politician, we can deal in hypotheticals if you felt that in twenty twenty that. Let's see. There's an election, his side lost. He said, that's an invalid election. I'm not leaving the office like in those sorts of situations. Very okay. But that's very different than what we're in right now. So that's very different. That's very different. Good. If if that was that. Glen, I think you would see a vastly different landscape of how 'bout obviously how citizens react, but but I think how how, how the broader collective journalism would react. That's not where we are right now. So I just I think that. Right? But you do have a person who by your own admission and we have wishes he weren't authoritarian leader and we have a system that has not allowed for it, and I think we'll continue to not allow for good because that's what the US system is predicated on. And we have written repeatedly on the difference between the president and the presidency, and you have not seen that any more starkly than with this president. I mean, this is a president who is fundamentally at odds with his own administration. A lot of the time you're questioning whether he can make administration all into him right now, I don't think so. If we get to that point, then we're in a very different moment. Okay. That's fair, really fair. So I, you're the editor in chief. How do you pronounce his name? Dean dean by? Yup. He so I know where this is going, where's it going lies? No. Well, no. I mean, look. You know, I found a moment on Twitter where people were critical of you because you didn't say the word line then the next day you did. And I wrote a tweet saying, I was real that like that's why you're really great because you said it. You said it. I found this tweet that I wrote before deleting other sweets, but not about you, which is, you know, leaving. Twins in general, but. I found that tweet, but no, this quote where he says on that show, you can think about how many people read how big it can make your audience without selling your soul. And I'm wondering, I don't think that's true. So I'm wondering what you think after that, say it again. Voters said this. He said you can as as in his position and in yours, you can think about how many people will read it. How big you can make your audience without selling your soul. Link journalists should be thinking about clicks, an audience size. And can you avoid thinking about? I don't think about it. I really don't. I mean, it's an I and I didn't even when I worked for a web based publication, it's I am writing it because it's news or not news. I am writing it because it is information or does not information. It is not because you know this is going to get a lot of clicks. I can't stand misleading. Headlines, can't stand stories that don't live on what they're supposed to. I think that again, clicks plus Twitter are a toxic combination for actual journalism titans me. So what makes you feel that if it's not that what makes you feel successful like you've do you feel successful? Are you success in your mind? Well, I've got. I've got the syndrome of a lot of neurotic Jews from New York syndrome, so I don't know that I'm a great person to assess that. Yeah, but I've had a good career and I have been very lucky and I've had some very good mentors, but the metric for me of my success is not how many clicks I get or what is it. Whether I've done good journalism, whether what I'm telling is a, whether I beat the competition, which you know I grew up in one of the great tabloid worse. Right? So that's part of that firm our mentality. I do think that's healthy for journalism. The thing of having to beat the competition. I know that would wanna burn San to beat the times. I know that. So do you think that's healthy competition for journalism is healthy? I think when when you lose competition is actually when you start seeing atrophy of local news and you start seeing statehouses not get covered and so forth. And so as long as beating them means being quicker and more accurate and it works if it's just being quicker than it just being quicker, then it's then it's just kinda stupid. Then it's just the game if it actually is beating somebody substantively than I think. So let me go deeper on this question of access journalism. And I understand. I mean, this is how I translate it anyway. This is how I define it. This idea of and this is what people think of trading right while you just that's the problem. I'm saying the question. No, that's the question I wanna ask you. Do you ever censor your. Language or characterization of of an event to maintain a relationship with a source. Okay. Don't want that on the record. Yeah, absolutely. Not. So that's why that's why you feel like in fast. That's why I feel to be in there and develop relations. Listen, I do it for the podcast right, and I do it with that. We do you want to get it performance heaven actor, you're building a relationship. My job is to get information periods. And my job is to find a way to get that information into the paper period and. The chips will fall where they may period and you're willing you, and so you feel, do you feel that's the biggest miss sort of characterization? One hundred percent? And I'm glad you asked that question, so thank you that people believe you're trading secrets, or you're going to shade the way you describes on Bengals in exchange for proximity Iraq, and you reject it, I completely so you don't do it that's your job or or you can think about it? My job, but I'm just doing my job, right. I mean, it's like I am doing. I'm not people we work in a in a, we are in a relationship business, but that does not mean that we are in an in an exchange business, right? On the other hand, we have seen, right, and you came up in the tabloids and I've seen this. The way Trump was able to control the tabloids in large pole was able to control the gossip, the gossip pages, and that's very different, I know is, but, but that experience, that is an example. Those pages can at times be worked, but not complete. But so, but let me. Okay. Let me let me throw the fact though, so they can be worked. I've, I've seen it. Sure. I mean, this is there's no question. I wrote a story recently quoting genie, McIntosh, who was the deputy page. Six editor for a long time, and is is in full disclosure is is a good friend of mine, but she was finally willing to go on the record about something that she hadn't for a long time which was about how when she called Trump to ask him about Marla Maples buying two gold lexuses and him making her return them with. They've gotten a tip about, he said, if you kill that story, I will give you something better. What was the better? The better was. He was divorcing Marla like, that's a big deal. So it's like, so the idea is like he's he's quote working that I have seen page six run all kinds of things about Donald Trump that were pretty negative. And that's that one is actually not even what I'm thinking of. I think that everybody has this misconception that everybody, but people have a misconception that there is this Marian Eddin going on with reporters by. The people we cover and they're just, they're just isn't. I mean, we we, we are in a relationships business or at least those of us who were source reporters are, but that does not mean here's how the transaction will go. We build up trust over a long period of time, but it gets the part of it that I. The porta that I've seen the, I don't wanna say the opposite play out because I think that what you're saying is mostly how I see it. On the other hand, after twenty years of having relationships with people or more in my own life, I've seen it where. You one does develop relationships, and sometimes there is there is some is they're never favor trading. I'm sure that there is considering that we just described sort of back and forth on a relationship. But. The stuff that I write about Donald Trump is a lot of there's a lot of skin coming off of the body a lot of the time. So really. Oh, for sure. So I, I guess I don't understand what the, what is it the, what do people think I had that I'm training for? I mean, it's like, I guess that's the part that I, I find really strange the, I guess what people would say as the position being being that close to the center of all of it, which on some, what when you do a really good job in life? I've listened to a lot of interviews with you. I can tell you do a really good job not to use any transference to put the proximity to power onto yourself as a as though that in itself where the thing, but, but I guess those are the thing. So I think that is where where some people think the the the trade off is because what people want you to do is say in an article. Well, Trump's a monster higher. They want to hear that all the time, but that's nice to hear that I understand, but I don't think that's the role of journalists, at least news journalists. I don't. And I think that I would think that if I had never spoken about Trump is, is it worth it for you though? The pillorying. You know what's much forty, five at a month. I'm going to start a new career. I mean, I don't. I don't know what, but is it is it. So it's worth it. Yeah, I love my job. I love my job. I don't. I don't love what's happening in the country. I don't love how how toxic and broken everything is, but is the hope that like senators. So if if there is a try, if we're all tribal a little bit, if if yes, you agree that your your colleagues, I know you believe your colleagues are rights or write a story, but also there's the tribal urge to protect our own. We all have some extent you'll have it. Is it a pipe dream to think that senators will ever not be that tribal. They're only going to not be that tribal if why? It's not a pipe dream, but it's gonna take a while. I mean, I think that are. As I said, I think our system is pretty does it make you sad Eber often it does often all the time. Going back to the election. I think readers want to know that. Well, so you think it's not your place to put that in? I don't. I don't think that that's belongs in news article, my sadness about the system. I mean, I think so let me let me I think about. I think about this day a lot October eighth two thousand sixteen, which was the day after the access Hollywood tape came out and I was staking out Trump Tower. Where he eventually came downstairs and did the sort of fist pump in the crowd, and they were all pointing at him. And after I left and I had written my story, I got a call from a top Clinton campaign person, and it was the third in a series of calls from people around the Clinton campaign who called that day. And each of them said, a version of ha. Ha ha, isn't this wonderful? Aren't you loving this? And what I said to this person in this final call was what is there to love about this Zoll horrible and and the person said, well, I'm loving it and okay, but that's the difference between me and you because you're a partisan and you're a campaign person, and I'm actually watching all of this and it's all messy and grotesque and terrible. And then the next day he brought her husband's accusers to the debate and paraded them across the stage. I think I found everything about that weekend to be the table Soder for almost everything that has come since and a lot. Of ways. And I think about that weekend all the time and it depresses the hell out of me every aspect of it, but okay. But this gets to another question that's often raised to you. The question of of false equivalences. So like it's a question that I want to give you a chance to actually do it right because I mean, I'm not bringing up something that you don't hear like this is what people tweet about the times all the time. You guys bend over backwards to sort of build a false equivalency. So yes, the Clinton person should not be taking some joy in the fact that. It's. I'm not saying that that person is such a terrible human and did did you know, was as terrible as as saying, really grotesque things about, you know, sexual assault on a woman. I'm not saying these things are equal to say that both made me depressed, but, but that's but one is that my phone is that my obligation, I l seriousness to say to people, but but so you understand my saying that I'm sad, you know, with what is going on in our country. I need to make clear really more sad about this like that's, but that's okay. That's a fair Kuna, Maggie. That is a super fair question to ask. And I think the answer is that the sense that that the liberal part of the meeting, the times history is as being more of a liberal paper, there's no, you can't. I mean, you being in the inside of it. But you know what the legacy of the times is always been editorial page has left. That is definitely true. I know for a long time even though now there are a couple of people I won't. I'm I going to do that, but. So the the idea is that it feels like Democrats are always bending over backwards in the sense of the let's make this fair and the other side doesn't care. They just want to steamroll over you. And I think that's the reason people ask it. So I get it. That's not why people. I think people raise it because I think that people get upset when I mean, honestly, I, I think that it gets used in misused a fair amount. And I guess I'm saying this is an instance where even raising in the context of that weekend would be a mister scripture of false equivalence. My saying that a bunch of things happen that we can that I found toxic does not mean therefore, I'm saying that they are of equal weight, and that's, I think, here's another way to look at it. I, I think tummy. So the guy calling us being a crass political operative writing. But when he says, don't you love this? Isn't it possible that what he means is, isn't it great that they're getting to see just how dark fucked up dangerous? Oh, I, I suspect that the person had many of those thoughts in mind that it doesn't. Isn't that a framing that that then blamed you? Well, no, because it was also because it wasn't just that offered a part, but it was also put but that you can't have worse them because the operative part is also why it is that they then thought that they had the race in the bag after that huge mistake. Okay. But you know what kind of so one. Sorry, that's journalists fall to. I mean, like I just at a certain point, I feel like everybody is not everybody, but a lot of people are trying to abdicate their own responsibility, either as citizens or readers or what have you and news consumers and make it that it's all that the reporter is somehow not. Doing XYZ for me the right way. Just couple more questions, and then I'll let you go have your of your Sunday. I really appreciate your time. Great. This this question came from Emily Hornsby, who's our assistant Princeton, grad brilliant, brilliant person. And I think it's a great question. She's young person, brilliant on prison. She said, do you think that do you think this is what you want to know from you that the campaign that Trump not only the campaign, but Trump's organization that they intentionally use inflammatory issues a smokescreen. So France, since do you think the I don't care jacket was intentional or just clueless? 'nice answer both. The specific in the Janelle. On the general? I think that they use. They sometimes use inflammatory issues to gin up their base and but I don't think that the jacket is one of them. So I mean, I think I think a lot report of a jet, like, did you go and try to find out? I did the jacket was not like some intentional, whatever. And she did not run it by anybody before she put it on. She's a very small staff. This is not like an and she's not a focused on the semiotics, not the way you'd imagine she would be. So she's not the way one and in her her correct office is it aware of the semiotics they were once it happened, but they were not before that. So. Okay. Here you keep coming back to and I agree with it. This idea of the journalists, the purpose of the journalists which is to report. But if one of the big issues is that it's the first sort of unpatriotic president of our our lifetime. I'm sure in history there have been others. But let's say the first who's not traditionally patriotic or it doesn't otherwise, and his supporters would argue is very patriotic done here that. He puts his own. I said that he is running as against his administration, a lot of the time or operating. It's all about how I don't wanna put words, but I think earlier you said something about how he said he tends to view things through the lens of how it affects him more than the country. I'm asking that is more. I Don. I think that it depends on the case. I don't think that that's across the board. Now sued you think the journalism that the journalists who does the journalists work for his journalists work for the citizenry? Does the journalists work for the ideal of America? Like what? Because it doesn't think what you're like. I don't know. It's a good question. We'll right now. I work for the New York Times, and so I think that, right, but if there's a bigger question, there's a, there's a bigger question as to what journalism is supposed to be, and that is a different point. I'm and I think we were. I think we worked for people who don't have power. I think that's who we work for, and I think that that is neither the that is nonpartisan. I think that we worked for people who do not who often can't speak for themselves now in the people who don't. But that's the collectively, I think different journalists are assigned to do different things. I am assigned to cover the White House. So my perspective on it is going to come from how what they do affect people, and that is part of going back to something we talked about earlier. Mike. Concern about how much of the chaos coverage goes on in the inside the room stuff that people are pretty addicted to, but which doesn't really tell you how things are actually affecting people. But that is who I think journalists are working for your that makes sense. Who's your, you know, Salinger talks about the woman on the listening to the radio. So who is that for you? Who's your ideal reader? Who are you? That's an excellent question. My ideal reader is somebody who is not in the Acela corridor. Somebody elsewhere in the country who wants to learn something more about what is happening with its government. That is not just looking for a quick hit or who knows all the characters or and so forth. And I'm not and I'm and I'm not one hundred percent successful at that, but that is Michael. That's a really, that's a noble goal. You know, the answer you gave about the for the, you know, the person who's the less privileged pros. The Brazilians have standing. It makes me think of Tom Jody, and and you know the idea, but. And I guess that's the disconnect. And I think that is we might have a different. And when I say we much me those who were critical might have an idea that when Tom Joe to San wherever there's a copy Nagai I'm going to show up, you know, and and in the Springsteen version of Tom Jones. And so the question is, you know, and I understand it, and I think it's really great to have had the conversation year saying, look, I have to tell you what's going on. I don't have to stop the guy. Well, I believe you would jump in and stuff. I saw snow that you would say. But isn't a metaphor as metaphor, but metaphor. Look, I think that. I think journalists have done a lot to try to stop the guy in the case of the border separations. For instance, I think that journalists did as much as turn lists could do there, and I think that was really important work, and I think that was worked with the government was lying to people, and I think that was work where here's to Nielsen, the secretary has lied about whether there was actually a directive to do this reporting has shown there was somebody recently posted the actual memo that she signed in this case, I think that, you know, I think it was a tragedy that a lot of people moved off of it. One of my colleagues Caitlyn Dickinson has been covering it aggressively. She's a wonderful story today at heartbreaking story about children secretly being moved to attend city. I would encourage everybody to read it, but that's an instance where I think the media's done really well. So I mean, I think there actually, yes, I think. Do you think that that does it ever does it bother you when you go to bed at night? When if you're like look nine out of these eleven things, not only did I get right, but I did. Stand up to the guy and I, it bothered, no, because what I try to what I'm trying to, I took a. Overpublicized Blake brakes from Twitter for a while. And then I got back on and I'm getting back off because no don't know AM, but it's because it's because look, what you will you don't want to do is you don't want to become numb to criticism either. Right? Because there are legitimate criticisms out there, and so we welcome. We welcome criticism. That is that is on the level. The problem is that it's gotten very mixed up with a lot of criticism that isn't. I, I go to bed at night worrying that. What did I get wrong in a story and what can I do better tomorrow? That's what I go to bed at night worrying about not whether I. You know, did I do enough standing up to x, y, z? I mean, 'cause it's because I think what matters is whether I got the story, right? And if we get the story, right, that's what we're supposed to be doing. So I just that's that's how I look at it. And I'm sure people will take issue with that, but that is how I go. That's a great point. And unless the I'll say to you, I think there is a way for you to frame this for yourself that it's part of how competent and smart we all thank you. Are that makes us distinct. That makes the she said isn't going makes yes. That's why we're disappointed in you. If I could just be complete Jewish mother and give you the complementary down. But that's the idea is that everyone feels like you are the one person out there whose both close enough to it and smart enough and tough enough to stand up to it and that and you do so much of the time that when it feels like you don't, I think is why you get that brush. Well, I appreciate you saying that and I hear you. All right, Maggie. Haberman. Thank you. Listen to keep her on Twitter by saying nice things to her on there. She's at Maggie NY on Twitter at Ryan Kaufman. You can Email me, but listen, you can even if you want to talk about anything at the moment. Bekasi Mel dot com. But no, I don't wanna harangue about Maggie Haberman who clearly doing not only the best she can, but pretty much the best anyone could do in the spot in which she finds herself. So I will delete your screens. Maggie. For them to make thank you very much, much by everyone.

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Closure Optional Ep. 51  Rohan Thomas, D.I.Wireless Films

Closure Optional

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Closure Optional Ep. 51 Rohan Thomas, D.I.Wireless Films

"We've all got that voice in our head. That tells us we can't do stuff. But some people are just better at not listening to 'em by sitting down with us people asking them questions, and then according in blasting it out on the internet, perhaps maybe I can help other people like me get out of our own. Back to close your optional. My guest this week is Rohan Thomas. He who. He's a filmmaker presently. And he originally had a podcast was the only punk-rock podcast at the time in about two thousand and nine and he did it for a good long period of time before he stopped, and then started making documentaries, and I've always really respected what Rohan gets up to before. I even knew him as a person, I followed what DIY airless was which is the name of his podcast, and it just sort of in braced that simplistic, do it yourself punk rock sort of nature. If you have an idea, and you wanna fuck and do it. He'll find a way, and he'll do it. So super cool. He this documentary that he did is called the other option, and it follows a bunch of Australian punk bands and the punk music scene in southeast Asia. And how crazy it was that there was nothing going on down there. And then all of a sudden out of nowhere because of kind of poor Ozzy bands that just wanted to go over and get some. Exposure and get some playtime up when over there all of a sudden, they created this kind of massive scene of southeast Asian punk and hardcore so. This is really really fun conversation. I don't know there's all kinds of troops being told all kinds of ideas about what it's like to be a creative person. What it's like to be a human being in general, and how to push through all the bullshit that gets in our way. This is the Pitta me of exactly what this podcast is about is about to people who barely know each other telling a lot of real truthful things and having a deep conversation about how to be better people for ourselves and for the craft that we're trying to do. But I I should warn you the my fuck and microphone. I don't know. What's going on with it? My mixer is old. It was thankfully, given to me by friend, but it is fucking old in heating up. And every once in a while just one of the microphones drops out like just doesn't record any sound and have with his podcast camp. The camera. They computer also stopped recording. So there's a tiny bit of sound issue for the first three minutes. But then it does seem to sort itself out. So it's fine after that just bear with me if it is annoying. Don't worry you just it's does get better after about three minutes. All right. So we'll get into the pockets just quickly before I go. Someone did mention to me that this would be important for me to mention this before the podcast starts and not at the end. Like normally do this podcast is supported by people that listen to it through patriae PAT R E N. N dot com slash Lorna Bremner if you'd like to support the podcast, you can also check out your options at Lorna, Bremner dot com. Pedro a cool site where basically the people that are getting the benefit out of the content that I make can also support the current or directly like that way. You know that your money is literally going straight to me to keep producing this podcast to hopefully, get myself anew mixer slash microphones at up. So that this doesn't keep happening, and the your money's not going to some fucking corporate wanker that's going to spend it all on blow in hookers by giving the money directly to me, you know, that I'm gonna spend your money on blown hookers all your options there on Lorna, Bremner dot com or patriarch dot com slash Lorna. Bremner? Thank you so much for listening as fucking always. Thank you for your messages in your comments things putting up with my stupid, social media, please. Join this wonderful conversation with rowing. Hi. Very much may choose. Thank you so much coming down. No ours. Beautiful die on the Gulf Coast. So happy to be dancing. What's out there? Now used you low. We start from the beginning you start with the wireless. That's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And someone said to me, Dan, I was actually on the coast around the corner from here the other day having with a friend, and he introduced me to one of his knights, and he's like Roney was the head of the head of the curve. He started a podcast in two thousand and nine, and it was it's it's funny that it's like when stopped in two thousand and thirteen because I wanted to stop issuing visual stuff and filmmaking documentary filmmaking and all that sort of stuff. It was funny that that's when it took off roughly two thousand thirteen when I said I've had enough is when it was like, and then within the next two years, everyone was doing one everyone was talking to me about have. You heard this podcast of you heard this podcast. Also like, no not in that game anymore. Like, I love Tom Donut. But yeah, I just got to a point where the way I describe it as I hit my coming close to thirty. I think. Sorta a lot of my friends, and my social network sort of that was starting to to settle down and get married and have kids and things like that. And I was like, you know, what I'm not done. I'm not done creating still finding out things. And I was lucky what something of always wanted to do is start interviewing bands. And I was like I'm going to do it. And so I took mock you off a guy called Ryan Kaufman. You can Google who wrote a book called New Brunswick, New Jersey. Good bye. It was about basically the punk scene in New Jersey growing up in the basement punk scene in New Jersey. And he started doing podcasts two thousand six or something. And he got through fifty episodes before he started doing different stuff. And I took my layoff him. I'm like this is a maze. Ing each grade. Even started introducing visual aspects back then, but yeah, I just got to that point where I was like. A love media, Iran. I love media rand in particular music. And I was just like when I used to hear people get interviewed. I was like in an egotistical does like can do better than this gospel economic questions that actually tell about a story. The amount of times, you listen to music interviews. It's the same fucking question. Nobody's listening to the answer. They've got this set. And we've set it all the time. But like it didn't show up to how obviously gross like corporate media type of style journalism was compared to podcast until the podcast started exploding. And then all of a sudden, we're like, yeah. That's the story. We wanna hear that's the story. We're looking for we want to hear the people's real voices. What really happened? What really is going on? Who is this person really not some fucking scripted answer that came from a magazine. That's really interesting. I never actually thought about punk housing. Like that that it's raw is really about that. That's stripped back sort of thing about a toss component questions. I it came. Because people started seeing like people started watching reality TV and reality, TV's gross. Is fuck obviously, as we know. But it was like the initial rise of reality TV was like not fuck this like built up image of what people are, you know, what I mean, like culture always. Rises and falls. We will get sick of the reality stuff. And we'll want more produce stuff like, hyper produce stuff. We'll go into like CGI shit, and we're going to drop off of that again. Because each phasing culture is a reaction to the previous punk rock was was a reaction to the overproduction of disco. So they're like not fuck this stripping it back. And I think that's what happened with reality. TV? It was like not on hold on a second TV's to polish. This is bullshit. Let's see the dirt underneath the Paris Hilton getting fucked in the ass by someone or whatever. And then once that happened, then it became this is where she gets corneas like then it became a market. And now you have the Kardashians where it's a scripted reality. And then podcast come and gone up. Fuck all that here's the rawness again, and it will get pushed somewhere else again because it'll stopping just as filtered as your. An EMMY interview or something like that. Persons had to look at and things that hopefully not because the past is in the hands of people like you who are just getting hold of whoever they need to talk to talk about what what's important to them about. Whatever story sort of comes up. But yeah, was definitely wasn't a when when I started a definitely wasn't a thing as I said there was people. Well, before may, so I'm not a trouser anything. But I just I just loved that's where it came from. I just wanted to the stories about the characters behind all the music and the songs and stuff. That's what I love like I was just like whether it be the folding of a band or the relationships behind it or the issues that I've faced like that was what I loved. I loved that sort of stuff held some horrible interviews as well. But. What was your worst one? I don't know. I think some of my early ones when I was doing my first few podcast. I was just doing them with like local bands, and no one ever interviewed them. And sometimes I just let ourselves talk for white too long about white too much random shit like mutual friends. One of the one of the loosest ones I've ever had is mutual friends in a band called not which the point van for museum and relocated to to the Gulf Coast Hammett on vodka when we had an interview and the end of the fifty eight minutes, fifty minutes, or whatever it was. I would touch that would. And it was just like absolute ramblings, but blessed that that interview led to an amazing friendship and going on the roads going on the road together and all that sort of stuff so well with that's the cool shit ever. Like just being able to hang out with people and get to know v on that that other side, and that that the real trouble is I think trying to figure out what's fun for you. And what's interesting for others. Because there is I mean, there's always like that fine line where you're just doing something for your own, self gratification. But like that people do just want to I think this is what Joe Rogan did with the podcast world was that he made it more mainstream to just allow a person to sit in a room with a group of. And listen to them chech- shit. Do you know what I mean once once that because probably your time you're like nobody does this is a bit too risky. But I I imagine now like that would be an like there's an entire channel for this. Where people just get fucked up together. And just see what happens, and it's not my style of thinking because I sort of prefer to like, maybe try to have some ideas that you dissect. But yeah, there's an entire market for that. Like people do that all the time. And so crazy at the time you're sitting there going this is not journalism. But it was really start of what it is. Now is locked. And then I mean, not necessarily the channel where people get wasted and hang out and chat together, how interested are being that. But I definitely did start to appreciate the different elements that people put into interviewing people, and that people could come out of because always always very serious. I was like I wanna ask the serious questions. You know, what I mean that was why I did. I want to ask questions that no one else has asked is what I tried to do as much as I could. Yeah. Just just wanted took myself a little too seriously in that aspect, but then I'm happy to tell the story. Now have you ever heard of a God called nod wa human Soviet? So I one hundred percent encourage you to go and find this. He lived in Vancouver discovered him there because he's this guy. He's been around since the early nineties eighties oughta interviewing and he's now interviewed some of the biggest musical acts on the planet. And he's got this. We'd stick where his nerdy guy with the Bala cat with a poem poem on top of it. And he talks like this nerdy schoolteacher, and he's got a catchphrase that goes, dude, loot, doot, doot, doot. But he is like he's grown up in Vancouver punk scene, and that was him being punk-rock that was him being different. He's nerdy. Punk band that plays? But he showed me when I saw I saw his interviews. I'm not serious not answering the most important questions. But when you go. Through all his YouTube clips, he has the most amazing approach to research that I've ever seen him on a life. He. Recommend anyone out there? Just Google nod wa human Soviet, ferrall Williams. So he didn't interview with Pharrell Williams for L Williams is sitting there speechless throughout the whole interview to this guy just going because I'm not going to give too much, but he hands people these props and their props that bring up memories from their whole career look back that no one else knows about and that it triggers a memory and starts talking about on this this part of my career or anything like that. And then he brings out luck. This recco. Like, we'll be like the first record evident in their basement. He's got a copy of it. And these people like hell the fuck did you get this? And then it just starts his coma sation about. So he was bit so easy to laugh. This guy off as jerky guy. And he was delivering some and he ended up. He's talked to snoop. He's talked to Jay z all this stuff off the back of his incredible research ethic. He just lives it in this special little nerdy kinda way, but he's still asking. Important questions, maybe not important questions. But interesting questions end up making an artist do everything like instead of. Towards being good. So far Imbaba body. Like, I had I had so much doubt in that pot of aloft. This was just me and my boys doing whatever we did. And just telling real stories about when we're talking about in podcast. It's real stories because he's triggering all these memories from these these props that he introduced the people did, you know about this research ethic is like something never seen from. He broke down Rollins once like Rowlands was like the Siamese. Likewise, nerdy guy. Asking me these stupid questions, and there's an interview from the nineties with Nawa. And then he goes he kinda goes. Do you have any important questions for me and not just hits him with like, oh, it was about to ask these questions, and it's just like boom knowledge of Rollins law on him, and you can see Rawlins like this is tough guy early nineties Rowlands when he's still enrolling Ben and stuff. He just goes. She's just saw. Well, you seem to know quite a bit and just highly backtracks on this high cod. Go listen to go to YouTube nod wad stuff. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. So I mean, that's the idea like, the what people I think care about in general is seeing the human and everyone, and we because we there's a specially now like I feel like there's just this real gross movement towards the polish variety of yourself the internet self because it's used to be a one point. I think it used to be that famous people had a persona, and then they had hidden lives that we will never going to know about. And that's why TMZ exist all the uncovered the truth of whatever Leonardo Capri life. But now with Instagram social me, all the shit, every single human being has an persona that they can be at any point in anytime, they can create this online thing, and then they also have their personal life. Some of them are exactly the same. Some of them are not at all remotely this room. I mean, so everyone has this ability to be that thing now. And so I think it's like we've seen too far beyond the curtain. We all know that. Everyone's capable of bullshit. And it's not really interesting anymore to be the polish version of you. Or the unpolished version don't give fuck like what I think. It seems like we're moving in this direction of individualism in such a way that we're starting to understand ourselves. And we get worried that you don't know which one which version of that person is that you're looking at am I looking at the polish version that you're presenting to me, and my looking at the real version of you have you really got your shit together. Or are you just acting like you do? And so I think where you tie that gap in what I'm most interested in is like, what is the human struggle within being any variety of those things. What's the real human struggle and being a musician? Also being a dad also being the guy that thought he wanted to be a musician, but turned out he's wants to be a Potter. Do. You know, what I mean, like all the fucking weird doubt and confusion that goes on because when you find out that Henry Rollins is afraid of fucking failure. You're just like holy shit. Euro legend, like you're a hero to most people always your way. Yeah. Kind of like it breaks these people into human bits that turn you into yourself doesn't make sense like the more. You look at the real diverse aspect of every character of every nature of every person. You realize you possess all of those in yourself. And then it kind of like a lens you back to yourself in a way. Well, that's. Digesting all of that. I think part of it. We've already talked about growing up as Aram punk rock communities. You know what? I mean. I think people in those communities I have such good bullshit Mehta that they can win. They're seeing that happening Mel pick out the stories, and the people that I that I want to learn from an I think that's a real that's real and can learn from that. And all the other bullshit. I just let it fly heads not that naughty impacted by the struggles of that creates about having self doubt or anything like that -absolutely ever on is. But yeah, when when it's when it's taking in all that all that content. Just think punk rock is in particular. Good Bush made it to the truth and to to on that inland lessons from what's important of what they're looking at. And we're able to take things seriously like that. I think I was drawn to those two things things are talking about before like punk and comedy as a little kid like when I was growing up. Those are the two things that were. Immediately. Call in everybody on their bullshit and not taking yourself zero Asli all the time. And I think like the punk community itself. Also takes itself too seriously. And every once in a while you gotta get in there. Like, you know, you have. Yeah. Just fucking be addict for. I remember that grownup like a lot of my friends because I grew up in Colorado. A lot of my friends are real into country music, and obviously like country and punk rock. We're always like polar opposites, and I just there was nothing authentic about it to me. I couldn't feel whatever the fuck was going on a didn't make any sense to me. I felt nothing. And then my brother, my brother's a few years older than me, and he brought me home pennywise album or something. And I was sitting there. Listen to it just going. This is what I meant, dude. I mean, all this time. This is what I meant. So whatever the fuck is going on here. This is the truth isn't an incredible. Isn't it amazing? Just love those. I don't know how many people be listening. He won. Millions the whole internet one of the things I always wanted to do and. Patent-pending copyright here. I've always wanted to voice thought a coffee table book would be like the store you just told of like going around and listening to punk rock was what was that moment. What was when you knew it because I know my moment when I had when I heard that record and things like this is it this is me talking about mom, and you listen to that pennywise Recco. When you like this is it there's people out there. That know what I mean? Say what I mean? But I completely understand what you're talking about. Right. It was it was a friends will Rome record, funnily enough. It was like, yeah. It was my odd moved away from Vandenberg, which is where I grew up going to school. I moved to Brisbane, and then my nights who had left behind Vinayak started getting to surfing and skating, and then tried to digest Novon. I didn't know what Navonna was at the time. I'd tried to digest Pearl Jam in offspring. And I didn't know what anything was. And then I started getting surfing, and skating and remember, my my best night home still best nights with two to this day came and visited me in Brisbane not too long after I got there and goes, you should listen to this. This is punk rock cutting. Noah punk rock was I k- any friends not so tough. Now, Erica was ninety seven or something like that. And that was it. It was like it was just that moment where I was like this things fast. It's funny. It makes me feel good. But it makes me feel angry at the same time. Like like understood. But also like. Like one of us are something in a way. It was just a. You understand it just clicked just made me feel right? And that was it the way you knew it was for you and not for anyone else's you play it to one of your friends, and they'd be like, oh, you play it to your sister. And they're like, oh, what is this? And then that's when he knew on me, and I'm going to be with the people who understand this and the other people that just never gonna get it. And that's that's fun thing about that. Like that that saved me in a very critical point for a long period of time. Like that was the thing that just created this community for made of really good friends of mine credit entire lifestyle for me. But then in a funny way as all things do when you have these protection mechanisms that you develop like that sense of community and understanding and singular nece and individuality eventually turned on me as well. Be starting sitting my options for being able to connect to and understand and respect other people because you definitely is you probably have gone a rule book. Grat when you get. Only allowed to like this shit where this let's it's fucked. What will you get typically when you young you think this the you know, what I mean now that I'm a bit. All there. I realize all this bullshit like can love Ryan Adams is nothing like he's adult. He's adult. He's adult contemporary flack, but I can love him. You know what I mean and himself? He's a punk rocker loves diagnostic. He loves all this stuff. So, but yes, I completely understand the limiting Niger of. And that's why you respect people within punk rock communities who have managed to completely bay their own individual and stuff like that. And mine time, their own voice thing. So yeah. But definitely ticking. Because it is it's a funny thing it says it's a it's that attachment to like something outside of your parents. I talk about this fair bit because I'm I really love Karl Young's general his theory familiar much with young and psychology. You can you can tell me he's a he's a. Student. He was originally student of Freud, and he's like one of the grandfathers of modern psychology. Obviously a lot of their ideas. And especially Freud's ideas, kind of defunct now that we know more about the brain. But young just has some really great like central points about the development of a person and one of his main ideas is that like in seems obvious now, but like Azure, a little kid. You are this really dependent thing that's dependent on your parents to tell you how the world works nature of the world is and then you must go through this developmental phase where you have to break away from that in order to establish your sense of self and identity, and that's when your peer group becomes your sense of self. So you initially have your parents dependent developing years where your brains developing once you bring develops mostly than you become this, independent teenager. That's when you become a pretty much, you know, XT shakes teenager, and that my friends know better, you know, bans. No better punk rocker. Fuck you mom. And so there's that thing. And then what tends to happen is that. A lot of people substitute. We substitute our parents for peer group, and then we substitute. Our peer group for our work group in our family life, and we just transitioned straightaway instead of going through this independence and growing away from that and becoming an our own individual we substitute that peer group for. Or whatever incident. That's that typical path of like, okay? Finish high school go to college. Then go get a job now on this guy job. And then this is why we typically have a midlife crisis. Because once she get to fifty years old you've done all of those things, and you always had a substitute then. So he talks about us substituting, the parents now for the government government rules regulations in your boss, and then suddenly so instead of ever growing up as an individual person, you have just replaced the initial need for a parent with all of these phases life, and he says the key to critical development for an individual human and to actualize as an individual adult in truth is to several all of those ties. And that's usually what happens sort of your twenties thirties where you have to take that step and just sever all of it. And so this is probably what what you kind of started to notice that. You're seeing these people that are because they were strong enough to be leaders in the punk world at the time. They obviously were. Stepping out away from their parents looking for a sense of identity, then they develop this peer group, whatever. But then even that peer group they sent start to grow out of it. So this is actually sense of a really healthy development of an adult that you grow out of that peer group, and then realize fuck I don't need to have a job because that's just going to replace my peer group. I don't need to believe what the government's telling me because that's just replacement for my parents. I've got to figure this shit out of my own is DIY nature. This is the ultimate DIY person the person that goes on hold on a second. I appreciate what you're trying to tell me. But I'm gonna go figure it out on my own. I think that to me is the kind of people I tend to be drawn to probably because I suppose it's a nature in me that I really wanna grow and develop. I never felt particularly satisfied in any of these environments, and helpful. But then you always feel like it's kind of hold me back a little bit. I wanna see what's on the other side of that curtain like what's out there? What's the other side? And when you start to notice these individual stories that people have they're all people that have taken that time to self actualize. And they're the ones when they come back. They come back powerful as fuck because there is no in. It's scary though. Like, I was just talking to my flatmate about this this morning. It is uncharted territory. Always when you're doing something you're on way. Unin feel we had a chat before this that. I kind of I kind of moved from podcasting into a love of doing the same thing storytelling. But documentary filmmaking stuff and. Was telling you now that I've moved away from that deal. I documentary by stuff because I've gone I'm gonna go to apprenticeship actually learning going on coal per sits. When I mean looking on TV ads and working for government clients, don't really boring stuff, but but learn the learn the visual Niger in the production Nitra what goes into production. But the whole idea of that is to hopefully one day when I learn when I've done my apprenticeship paid my Jews can come back and start telling those stories again, and I talked to lots of people in video production work who do the same thing. I only ever wanted to step into the corporate world to be able to support themselves, but they still want to go Mike short films. They still wanna go and creating those sorts of areas, and what you're talking about is being able to have the strength to not get lost in. What is your job? What what is your job and being able to snap out of that? And go I'm going to find mine wine and do it my own way, if I can find funding or fucking whatever I've learned from my few years in the corporate world. In having the courage to be able to step away from the corporate world. I think is is pure product of knowing that you've done it before. Because like, I think that people that tend to get stuck in those traps, and this is not said with judgment by any means. But the people that tend to get stuck in the corporate job trap are ones that never had that vacation outside of the you know, what I mean like we all kind of have to go get fucked up for a while. Like, I did it. I didn't have major way I went and disappeared in one foot three years. I was fucked run of came back. Crawling back like just in our mutual was telling me this. He was like scary for you. And it was scary for us. The you're out there doing this thing in kind of disappearing into that thing. But look how much you develop as a human from it like it was something you needed to do in its right? Like, I've I've always been I've I've always done it through elation ships had this lure like we were talking before. I've been nervous to do anything that matters to me because I've got. Self-doubt? So I'd always like stick when relationships or stick with safe things, and I just needed to jump off the phone bed and crawling my way back now, I only have the confidence to do what I do now. Because I went as far off. I think the rails is I coulda gone without getting lost. There's no substitute for character building. It's one thing. Do you know what I mean like on on not I'm not saying that that that Tom wouldn't have been tough or whatever for you, whatever you're experienced? But it's one of the things that I notice off to going through my life, and that's become a parent as well. I'm one thing that I've noticed is one thing. I hope tight from my parents really protecting me from a lot of stuff is that it's going to be okay. Son, daughter, whatever to go and do some character building stuff like this so much merit in it. You know, what I mean, like learning lessons that sometimes tough lessons? Like have learned anything about yourself the way you did in less. You did the podcast the way you did it what I mean. Like, you are only going to be able to tell the stories in the future the way you can because you've done all of the groundwork. You're all took the plunge. You know what I'm saying? I it was it was that thing it was like. That's not judgment on any more friends. There were like I'm gonna hit thirty. It's time for me to have absolutely go and do that. Absolutely, no judgment that book. Just for me. Personally. I was looking around with my now Wath, and we would just like I'm not done. We went, and travelled and all that sort of stuff. And that was just us. You know, an dot of the podcast. I wanted to tell people's stories that moved into documentary film Webuye stuff, and I was just it was just a choice. It was just like I'm not done going and finding out things. And it's that whole thing of like. What's the what's? Slowdown but never ever stop. You know what I mean? That's fine. Like, we all get. It's the difference between getting old and getting all we're all getting we will get Alda. But people get old. And that's that's that's all it is whether you have a slow aloft as long as you don't completely stop what you passionate of that. That's a fun life Rogin Aldo. We all have to we'll have to go to bed bit L. I fucking do. I can't stay up editing podcasts and film clips until midnight. Every not these days. Yeah. Just as long as I don't lose the passion for doing that somewhere along the line. That's fun was pretty intrinsic to your nature. And I think since you've found like you spent all that time doing all those interviews and seeing value that brought you in the kind of life people that you met the kind of people you interview like looking at it from punk rock perspective at least your sin. Am like holy fuck. He sat down with those people. You know what I mean like? Duncan redmond's. I see that was one of your last ones. Like, he's you know, what I mean, it just you got to experience the inside of the brains. The some of the best people in that industry, and you can take that now. Now, then you go back into the real world. Learn how to do it perfectly through that that art of cinema and Faulk man what you can produce out of that is going to be a store. You asked me before we came and started recording about one of my worst interview experiences. All I'll tell you. It was like I was the result is me in Montreal crying. And this is seriously. What happened? So I. Snuff came to Montreal when I was living in Montreal. And always like straight onto a head a whole up with the people who booked snuff fix a strategy. Can you put me in touch with someone who's looking off stuff at here snuff? Among one of my favorite bands of all time. I'm might never get this chance again. I might never come to a strata. And so she's like, yeah. Sure. And then the tool with no affects and then it just turned out that like whoever was the manager or whatever it was just like so you want to interview fat Mark Duncan together ought and I was just like. And this was like a die before it was about to happen. I had all my Duncan questions ready to go. And then you're going to be interviewing fat, Mark and Dunkin, right? Yes. And so and then tells all of a sudden holy fuck. And then I was in touch with the manager. Have you seen enough X documentaries that can't go? Anyway, they manage some indirect contact with him. So I go down to the show this massive show that they're playing together, and it's very organized rotten off exit one of the big fans, and they have all these media people trying to get hold of them at different times. And they manage said to me white hia by the store, and when you're ready to like you need to be here waiting by the store and fat. Mark will be ready when whenever the door opens this and people in the nail whatever. And then I was waiting there for long. Nothing's happening. He went up, and I watched. Snuff sand check and nothing's probably going downstairs. And Moreover, I think even went down check and nothing was happening. Then snuff finish. This check enough ex came up, and I'm off fact mocks do here. We'll be able to do the thing after that. And then affects this and check and then we went down. And then like I went back downstairs and not fix management walks up to me because what the fuck you still doing here. What are you talking about having you done your interview? I was like no waiting for this door to be open enough come down a couple of times. And he's like you fucking done. Like, you're an idiot. What why would you fuck I told you to stand? The you've missed your interview get the fuck outta here. And just went, and I was just like not only have miss this great opportunity, but a guy who's had to deal with a lot of Oceania they manage on he s to be straight down the line. It just made me feel like a fucking like an ant. I'm not saying that was bad thing. But then I yeah, I'm on my final I fucking this bar. One of my really down moments thought these fucking podcasting shit. I'm not doing this anymore. Sick of chasing bands around. Piece of shit. I was I was and that's funny that you mentioned like snuff that was one of my worst experiences in an interview because what a great opportunity it would have been Nile that interview to I was ready for it. Because that Mark love snuff. So what did just being like a cool interview to have? But should happens. I think I did like. It was die the next day. And I was like, you know, what I'm gonna keep having a crack this. I did about ten thirty more episodes until this sort of documentary filmmaking came along, but you definitely get shut on along the way. But if you just stop off to that then. This. There's no fun in that you Coney. But you gotta keep going. You do me. And my said this bunch of times. My biggest struggle in the podcast is just organizing people. I just that and like the amount of sheer rejection just rejection, and it's like, I know people don't know me. They don't know anything about me. But I'll I'll reach the feelers out McKay this thing, but I like him critically aware that I'm not like known or cool or have this big following. So I've got no leverage. You know? I mean, I'm like. I just want to come and talk to me, and my shed and they say, no. And you're like, yeah. I know why would you? And then it's like get up go again someone else just ask someone just keep going because eventually sometime like the one thing that does keep me going. I'm so fucking grateful for is that like, probably as you had you have a niche following of people that are interested in what you do because it's a community and thank fuck for that. Like, I have at least a good community people that will consistently tell me like, hey, that was cool. That was neat. I like this. This is a great idea. So then at least at the very least just boost me up high on a shit day. I'm like, wait. There are people that need to try man. Fuck. Yeah. Look didn't have that. You're just be like go. I all the winning more. Mortga shouting into an empty room. They in like, you just look out. And then all of a sudden everyone's walked out. Fuck. What's interesting that you say that kind of magic how you'd operate a podcast in today's media environment. Cannot imagine how much those those particularly artists who have got to the stage where I go to rip or something wrong. When I think about bands because that's mainly contacted. But if you step above the local bands, and you're starting to talk about other abandoned touring nationally, you'll you talking to an international ban. Like go to you going through them for the interview. I just can't imagine. How many people hitting like it was different for me? Because I was I was the one you know, what I mean? I'm not trying to to mine home, but in two thousand and nine when it came to punk rock podcasts. There wasn't anyone is one of the reasons why I was like no one else is doing this. I'm going to do it. And so, but I still had the challenge of people going the fuck, I wasn't what's up podcast. I wasn't. I wasn't a writ from blunt magazine from Rolling Stone or whatever just the student wanted to chat to people like any oddest that I felt inspired by economy and the environment that you on not saying that any sort of bands you pursue. But just speaking to people who might be the level where multiple people chats at the same time. No and Addie again had he stand out. What's the point? Why why why somebody's time? I mean, all of it. And basically really I rely on my own interpersonal skills chatting away to people and be like, hey, I think we would have a good chance. Let's do it. And luckily to like what I'm interested in his stories about people that do hard stuff. So I am quite broad with the kind of people that I can approach because really what I'm looking for again. Like what I was talking about before. Is this kind of like inner core humanity of everyone, and it really it stemmed from me realizing that in my own self, and pursuing all different varieties of creative or physical endeavors. I was still running up against the same walls inside myself. And I was like fuck it's me, I'm the one. That's the problem. I was like I wonder how many other people go through this shit. And that's why I wanted to start this thing. So it is pretty lucky like I can kind of space myself out of it. Have you talked to many comedians? Yeah. If you definitely the sort of network of comedians that you know, on the on the go coast kind of thing. Yeah. This story interests me so much. I'd have not met a sane comedian yet. Like, I haven't met a comedian. That doesn't have a fucked up life story, they think in in. It's the same like, I was just talking to a comedian actually just before two podcasts that go was I call dusty Ritchie's, a South African comedian who lives over here now, he's fucking brilliant. They're eights. Eights. He's on the level of kind of how do I describe them like the energy level and improvisation and speed of Russell brand title style character. But dusty is just this like he's an egg. My he's really really hard to describe you just have to see him happen. He, but anyway, so he was in here in just talking about where he fucking comes from his his whole all the men in his family. He grew up in a part tied, South Africa. And the men in his family were on the wrong side on the white people side, and he grew up. He was fourteen looking around on. This is fact you as a wrong, and they're like, how dare you? And he's like, no you seriously fucked. So he was having physical altercations with all the male role models in his life, all the male figures in his life. Everybody is telling him the way the world supposed to be and he's gone. You guys are completely fucked and so- physical violence. He had to escape all that drugs comes back, and you just. Found his own way. And the reason why he's so successful at stand up comedy is because he possesses no fear because he's been through that much shit. And and this is something interesting. I found about fighters as well. Some of the best fighters are the same because imagine. The people that love you. The most are the ones that are supposed to be guiding the world are you are at risk of getting violently beaten by any of them at any point. So the people that you're supposed to trust. The most are also the people that are the worst you after that nothing is scared. Exactly nothing. Nothing hurts after that being betrayed by the one person that's supposed to look after you is your fuck can do anything, and and some people, and I think I get into dangerous territory talking about this a little bit like the whole new world of anti bullying and safe spaces and all of its like, I appreciate we want to boost the growth of people's mental wellbeing. But at the same time. Going through shit like that can either out turn you into a victim or turn you into the most powerful version of you possible facing your own death, and realizing that you're in charge is the one of the strongest things, I think that can happen anyone. It's not easy. It's not nice at the time. And you need to have a good network of people around you to help blue. But fuck like watching the kind of powerful human being that a person can be that comes out of struggle. Like that is it's it's incredible. It's the character building talk about as long as you can as long as you can come out of it. You know, what I mean, the lessons loan as part of that sort of stuff? It's yeah. It's really important the comedian thing just interest me because I'm like when I was talking to bands often the thing I was interested in with him. It's luck. Look, what makes a difference of a ban getting a role on what's the difference between a band slugs it out as a local band same with the comedian? What's what's the difference between the comedian slugs it out really talented has a great? Why don't they make? You know what I mean? And then that was always interesting stories is like who who the goal is to get a role. And he's really just that luck thing. What is it is? So I think I've got a down. I've got a dance I'm points for how it's multiple things. Right. So when it came to bands, and you could probably ply this to comedians. You could probably apply this to Newton. I thought is anything like that? So this multiple things I'm going to try and remember more. Now that I discovered one of them is. I mean, you have to be good at what you do. So let's talk about bands you have to write songs with connect with people. You know what? I mean, if you're if you comedian you have to tell jokes that make people you have to have that Specht of it next thing is you have to be a person who is this is so Coney but willing to sacrifice Gino wanna main and what that is sacrifice personal relationships. Sacrifice a steady income. There quite often the people that get a shot in the band world. It was those young kids who just like people say, oh, we just got in the van and we did that. But I didn't. And I had to be home to go to work. It was the lawns will like I'm just going to quit my job and just see what see what can happen. So one of the other elements of a band going the next step to being a band is. You have to be a person that someone wants to be around. Lord. Jan geis's. Got quite quite quite about it that I talk about being a poll a bit. And I can't remember what it is. But it's basically based on that is not on the good at their job. But someone wants someone wants to be around. So if you to with an international act, and they're like, you get an interaction with them. Fuck you guys a good people. I'm having fun with you. Of course, they more likely to say, how can we get this in the U K tour or something like that? It's just be a band that people want to be around. And then. Yeah, the last one is dumb luck you play in front of the right person who puts out your echoed, and I have a bit of pull here, and there and you start touring in a way, you got always love. That moment of who who gets those shots, and who doesn't. Yeah. Me too. I've always wondered that like what is it? An even I like to think about it. Even like to this sense of one particular piece of artwork are one song. One sound like what is it that makes that thing it when something else is very close. But not it like, what is that thing? Like some nights a humongous Danta comedy fan. I just I constantly spend my time watching it thinking about it. And I go and watch a lot at live comedy. And it's just fucking mesmerizing to me to watch even the same person to the same act over and over and over and some nights they're fucking on. It's just it. And then other nights, it's just not it, and they could be the same jokes. They've fucking exact same delivery exact same energy everything some nights it is. And sometimes it's not, and it's really amazing to me. I'm always trying to figure out what is that magic. It's a think it's my opinion would be it's one of those points that I came up with that connection. So the oddest ruts that wrought song. And someone's like, whether it's just the melody, oh, whether it's the lyrics fuck that's a good song. It's one element of band things that I was talking about. But for comedians that why did I go off that one knocks people connected with that not that off that it was no longer the person standing on the stage and the person having drinks and telling jokes that would just like into whatever that person was saying and having a laugh it was connected with them. And that and I think too it comes to the human connecting to themselves. I think that so much the time when in my own personal experience whenever I find myself to involved in myself, like if I'm sitting here doing podcast like, okay, I've got to make sure I say, something smarter. Be interesting or be cool. Then I'm fucked. The whole interview sucks. I don't like it. I don't like listening back to it. I feel like I'm trying to art. And it's the same one. I'm drawing sit there, and I'm like, this is going to be wonder soon, I'm gonna be able to take a picture and put it on Instagram fucking throw it away like don't waste your time. And then there are other times, I'm lost. I for. Got that six hours just past finished. And I looked out and go shit. I drew something, you know, like the absence of you impure connection with that thing that you're doing in this pure, everyone talks about at the moment to be in the moment, and it seems so fucking wishy washy, but when you actually feel it like in that moment when the comedian is one hundred percent embodied in themself committed to what they're saying. Even though they've said it three thousand times tonight. They're saying in a way where they are like in it inside it, and then the crowd feels it and then the crowd jumps in you know, we're all on these people are getting onboard and literally you're on board. And after it's over I feel like even when I do interviews like this sitting down a room. I never even call him interviews owes. You say doing the podcast because I don't even know what the fuck this. Is you sit in a room with someone? You have mad conversation with them after it's over. It's like we create an alternate dimension in here for that little period of time. And then he walked back out in the real world restarts. But that moment is fucking amazing Sohar. Defined? Well, that's why it's good that you're doing it in that way. You know what? I mean, there's no you'll happy just to to sit down and have those types of conversations that are going to bring those stories out. That's that's definitely something can respect because I think it resonates. It resonates with everyone. I think every human being has got an ability like a little antenna picks up connection and like you were talking about before like people in the punk rock. Roll had this like really strong bullshit filter people in the comedy world. Absolutely. Do definitely definitely because that are scammy a little bit in accent. Sometimes I I mean, it's your job to point out when someone's doing something and point out of it. And that's what's so nice about it because it's like don't take yourself. So seriously, I don't either and we're gonna have a good. But if you start to get a bit uppity fuck off. It's not in. No, no meanness. But it's like I don't need to talk to a costume. I wanna talk to human. But. I have no idea where I was going with that have. No, I'm really interested in your it was one of the court sits in your intro about the and I'm sure you talk about this on this show. A machine a lot. But that idea of what we're talking about about fear and things like that. How I think you'll you talked about people who piss you things and do well and things that we all have those thoughts saying we can't I think quite is. Like, we all have those thoughts saying we can't do things. It's the people who composed them. So I don't actually go and do it that. Yeah. That can end up like achieving something really cool. And I just love that. Because one hundred percent have those same doubts like the people closest to me see it and stuff like that. I'm we all do. I just think unlocking that is just like, I'm like, you know, you have to had to tell you to do it. We're having a conversation about this is what you need to do you need to be able to push this to the side, and you can you can achieve things. But then you and on we'll sit down and try and achieve what we actually want to achieve and then all those data come on because this and this and that and the other like unlocking that ability to push that to the side. That's why I love that quite from the insurer from your podcast. Is like. Like, how do I reduce that feel level? You know, when I mean that everything's gonna be okay on the other side, and you just touched on it, man. Like as far as every single person I've ever spoken to on this podcast and people outside of it. It always comes down to fear and in the fear. And this is why we bring it up dusty like why dusty so magical is because he as far as his art craft is concerned, he's dealt with that fear. There is there is a huge few and his fear will manifest in other ways. You know, his doubt comes up in other areas in the end know like you could look at somebody who's a really great improvis- improvise. Fuck that's our word, improv. Comedian that can come up and just say whatever the fuck comes out of the top of their head. There is an argument that yeah. But how good is his writing? I mean, how good is he putting together clean tight? Our that would work across all cultures across the world. You know what? I mean. How could he could he tour an hour? Okay. That's a good question. Because it's like that's a totally different art fund. That's totally different craft. So dusty may have a fear in that world that's different than the fear in the improv world who knows? I mean as far as I can tell dusty doesn't seem to possess much anything as far as stand up is concerned. He's at home. They're his fear comes in day to day life shit. You know, like just figuring out how to taxes so we've all got them. And where where we tend to focus, and unfortunately, I think for most creative people in your probably the same is fear, manifests, the strongest and the point that are the most important to you. So where and Steven have you read this book, the art of the war of art? Great. It's a great fucking awesome book. Try I think I've got a copy of entity. So he talks about the idea anything that brings up fear in you is thing you must pursue because your greatest point of resistance is going to be your greatest growth. So everything anything that means the most me, I my artwork creativity. I've always found ways to get around it. And then it sucks me back, and is always because I was afraid of facing the fear at the time I needed to go. Learn something about myself, and then come back, and at the annoying part is is that it takes a really long fucking time to figure out your in that cycle and till you fucking commit. Said the cliches all the time. But it's exactly what you said there, and it's like. You start learning you start experiencing things when you add sawed you comfort sign, and they're all cliches, and we're all saying them when we all know them that had the fuck the you're actually doing you know, what I mean? So, and that's why you respect these people that whether it be a band just jumping in the van and going we'll we'll just work out. What happens when I mean just letting everything else go and just doing that as long as I can it with all the other things I was talking about their chance of having a crack at Dona for living with just getting experiences. I never normally would you know, what do you think you central fears are? Jeez. That's that's a pretty full on question. Come on. I barely know. You look it's look I've actually just had a chat with a friend about this just being through some mental health stuff. Just talking about how I on you. I had I've now recognized hiding anxiety when I was young and it manifested in sports because I was quite successful at a couple of sports and didn't take the final step of Nike into professional realm because and it was so much of it was mental. I recognize now because I got to the point by some momentum upbringing got to the point where. When I was going out on the field. I was more focused on who was looking at me. Whether I was performing enough to go to the next level or and. When my teammates thinking about me, what am I coaches thinking about me was this going to be good enough, and you froze, and you started like, always cricket and you started performing horribly because it was it was a mental thing. And I saw all the goals that went further than idea who was part of that when they are in those moments and the pressure was on baba instead of them thinking about all that stuff. They just like I'm going to do this. And I just I got a personnel or they hit Bandra did whatever. And of course, the guys that had talent and hod work. But in those moments, none of that other stuff came into their head. That would just like I recognize them and went for it. Whereas I would go back in Mushonga. I don't wanna be the guy who loses his game for the team. You know, it's such a cliche for all these sports people, and you've million sports biographies and not like, I'm definitely not from particularly my lighter jock world, but the so much can be land from those guys in that soda. Stuff. They did the same thing. I just let all that stuff. Go recognize that in a moment. And like I'm going to be the guy fixes this on the field. And that sorta time, and it's the same thing. It's letting that fear did you feel at those moments that it was like an like unachievable mystical thing that they had that you didn't have your light. Definitely definitely I was like how can you be the guy who's like give me the ball? Now. I'm gonna win the game. And I was like fuck like autumn. I don't wanna be the guy. That's like lost us the game. And then mccutchen me and my teammates will make the next team and stuff like that. And it didn't matter. I should have just been having fun at WTO. If and when you go back in your off the field in those situations, and you just having fun. That's when you end up doing really, well and coaches recognizing man. This guy's good and stuff like that. And endlessly beat yourself up about it. 'cause you know, I'm case. But it it wasn't mystical thing. It was like, and then you start judging yourself even more. Why did he make it an? I didn't. Yeah. And you go they have it. And I don't have it on. This is being a mantra for me my whole life up. There are people that have it. And there's me, and then I realized I still fucking daily and working on this. And this is like a daily mental practice that that thing that sense of Ignace, I think in my experience and interviewing these people and hearing what people had to say about this. Because these I'm talking to people that assumed were it, and then all of a sudden, I've met them got to know them been friends with them and realize that there as much as I am it that we're all it every single one of us has always it. It's your perspective. And where your pedestal and people are not that's your relationship to them. So this is where you're putting yourself next to them that you're creating the pedestal not them, which is fucked. But I'll explain the kind of mystical thing because I think my hope you it helps majorly helped me is that. If you can imagine that what happened to you on the field is that you turned yourself inside out where they went inside. So at the moment where you are starting to think about other people you basically turn yourself inside out. So if your body is turned inside out, there's no physical thing going to happen, right? Because you're all of your energy is outside, and you're looking outward, whereas these people through some miracle of self confidence perhaps or they don't have damage in there for they don't have self doubt. Or the lot of times it's a lack of intelligence, which I'm not saying all athletes are not smart. But usually a more intelligent person has this has a hyper awareness of what's going on inside is also related to intelligence, unfortunately, sorry, you're stuck with it. But because you're smart enough to be aware. And then they call it, hyper vigilance in psychology, and that's in a state of anxiety or hyper vigilant because you're aware of the threats. So you're hyper vigilant kicks in when you start to get a bit of nerves. He become hyper vigilant, which means you're more aware of what's going on around you, and that means all of your energy starts going outward. So you focus is extra your focus is no longer internal those people. Have the ability of turning their focus inside. And the way that I've learned to do this in which I help some of my clients that are struggling with is just to sit down closure is in squeeze your fists together and feel the inside your fingers feel the inside your toes do take three five. Depress whatever it is. And then go back to doing what you're doing. And all that does is as you're about to turn yourself out. It turns you back it reconnects you to your body and brings you back into the present moment. How did you learn this through reading your knowledge reading through extreme psychology study, just because I was a mental case, and I needed to sort my I've never done any degree in psychology. I've just read like thousands of hours of books on how health people that you've given that advice to immediately stopping anxiety attacks. It was originally. I learned how to do this because I was getting constant anxiety attacks and I just like out of nowhere. Nothing was happening. I would just like fuck and have a breakdown. And so I needed to stop it. And a lady I'm actually next week's podcast is all about this. I do once a month eighty solo podcast talk about an idea, and is all about this in this idea. She's a Buddhist lady, and she taught me how to just return my energy inside. And then I have a trainer Taito tighter that through many peripheral channels out to do Moi tie. It brought me back into my body outside of my head. And I was like fuck this feels really good. This is the same thing. This Buddhist lady was teaching me about being back inside my body. And then I met a trainer when I moved to this gym who lives by the same philosophy. And so I get it every once in a while the magic of sitting down with him. And he's so smart, we had largely said just sit and talk about it. So this is a very physical beat the shit out of you kind of guy who is Buddha nature. You know what I mean? He's like very zen kind of guy. So anyway, so I'm gonna use it on actually gonna use that what you're saying. Because I'm sitting here I'm gonna use it now because I'm just applying it to my current life with. Told you before a sort of moved into film filmmaking whatnot, and sort of serving an apprenticeship working on corporate social media, videos, and all this sort of stuff, but I still a narrow recognize still that anxiety of when you're on set, and you trying to the energies going out you trying to cover every problem that could possibly happen on a set you trying to make sure that everything is in place that it needs to be. And when all that now, it's making sense to me because you describe it because I'm thinking about all that going out. That's when you start to lock up, and you phrase, even if it's in preparation for the day to die before when you've got so much get organized cameras, batteries, whatever. If you trona Covent every scenario all that energy Stotts going out to those scenarios some Guinness thought when I experienced that tonight when I'm getting ready for these jobs, like it's it's honestly, it's it's fucked, man. And and it's a it's a real classic trait of smart person, especially smart capable person because you are capable of thinking of all the end thinking things away. Fuck. Yeah. Hundred percent. And the the funny thing is like when you actually think about it. When you're thinking about the things that could go wrong, you're actually just fantasizing like those are fantasies. They're not reality in your head. You're thinking, oh, that's a reality that light could fall over and you're like could. But it's not it isn't presently falling over if it was falling over right now. I'd know what to do about it. I don't need to worry about that. And that the main fundamental thing underneath this. And this is the thing that actually you've already got sorted. So you don't have to worry about it is having the skill set. Do you know what I mean? Like, there are people that have a dream of being a more typhi ter-. Let's say they trained for three months half asset, and then somehow. Convince someone to let them have a fight. And then they get the living shit beat out of them. It doesn't matter. How present you are on your body. If you don't know how to do around house kick, you're not gonna win the fight. I mean, you're gonna get hurt in the same way. If you don't know how to make movies. You don't know how to set your batteries up get charged and get the lighting setup. You're gonna fuck it up one hundred percent. So this comes back to on. This is interesting too. Select if you're eating a meal, and you're watching TV or you're watching video or something you don't really realize that you just ate because you weren't experiencing the meal in the same way. Like if you're anxious or thinking about other things while you're doing your craft while you're practicing getting set up or working on stuff, you won't trust that you did it right? Because you don't actually have a physical body to get it make sense. So like if you are physically present while you're practicing and working and thinking, you will also then your body will retain a physical memory of having the skill. So you don't have to rely on. I know I can do this your body knows. It can do. That's interesting. Yeah. It's interesting. Definitely when you're on a can apply that to being on set. And look I'm not gonna roll probably on. This isn't going to be in focus six cetera. Excetera fuel like fuel thinking inwardly at all that. Do it for one time. Then you know, when you go to gain for the next shot, you lay do this before I as I said, we we talk about this stuff, then controlling the Bryant actually do it. It's easier easier and theory than it is in practice. It's so easy to doing teary. It's just I mean, it's like reading a book it's like reading fucking. I mean, my my newest gripe in the thing, I constantly complaining about these fucking inspirational quotes on Instagram like have you ever considered just like being yourself? Go. Fuck your. So he got no, yes. Obviously one of my friends called me. And he was like this is a philosophy stemmed in Buddhist philosophy that I've been thinking about for five years this idea of coming back to the center. Take a pause. It's probably most popularized in modern mindfulness mindfulness practice. It's kind of the general fundamental idea of it. And my friend called me the other day, we're having a chat, and he was like have you ever thought about? Like just like taking a break like, relaxing and. Fuck you, man. Yeah. I've thought about it right now, I'm in a spiral of Gore's of thought about it. But again now, but then isn't as simplistic from spiral at the moment to step back from it. But then like you walk away and like two two days later after I've had a chance to relax dig myself out of my spiral. I'm like. Yeah. Fuck all I needed to do was just stop in that moment, you're sitting there like it's way more complicated than it, isn't and actually is in. It's just really hard to tell yourself out of that. It's such an interesting. I'm not trying to get to prohibit. It's such an interesting time with all the competing things that we have on alive to is that stuff it really is. And it's so easy to compare that because there's so much content while I talk I actually take on one in the my big breaks from social media because because. Of course, she follow directors cinematographers or stuff like that who you have a connection with or anything like that. And then the way my brain works, which I've taken you through the thing is like doing such cool stuff. And I'm not there it, and then and then you're worse off. So I've just taken massive breaks social media at the moment. And I'm actually when I get back on their the moment when I get back on the back on my phone or whatever. Quite quickly. I'm telling you, this is KOMO should I need this anymore because it had such a long break. And I was like I'm fond with add it. They only trouble. The hardest part is that that's where your best free advertising is unfortunately, one hundred bucket down. And that's the other thing is I recognized that I've missed shows because unlike what don't you fucking Colmey men Perron Instagram fiddle five weeks, I'm not on Instagram anymore. You miss those connections completely understand the reality of it is a means of communication, but for me personally. I just noticed that he was triggering some not good things. So I just I just take a break from it. So that's a really healthy way to be. I'm doing I'm doing some new like experiments. I'm trying to explore my psychology through social media now because I realized that this is a sore spot for me like I didn't have I never was active on my Facebook for fucking ever. I didn't know what the thing was. I didn't really get it. So now that I I know that I have to use it as a means of producing this podcast and getting it out there. And I am grateful that obviously people can hear about what I'm doing. The only reason people listen to this thing because I keep putting it out there. So. I'm glad for it. So I was like all right. I'm gonna make this thing. My bitch. I'm going to figure out how I can turn social media into something that I use productively for my own mental health and for everybody else's. So I play around with all kinds of like, yes, fuck I'm still like in the throes of embarrassment about this. I'm barris I'm going to tell you about this. But it's happening now. So it's coming to my Mallika can stop now, you can stop it right now. It doesn't still Tom you can start right now. But if you feel comfortable enough in the forty five minutes that we've known each other to tell the story, I'm always that's the podcast or in me coming Cohen. Tell me. Well this. Because i've. I've noticed that. I have a tendency to attach myself worth to the things that I'm doing my social media, and I've made fun of a lot of people for this like people that put up a selfie face. And then they're like be yourself. And then I'm like, obviously, that's not your face. You gotta filter on that. Nobody makes that face in real life. You're just this bullshit. So I will make a stupid face and put it on my social media. But then still I'm judging the reaction of that too. Like how good I am as a person. Like, oh, people get me. There think I'm funny. Do another one. You know what I mean? So even though I'm making fun of somebody else for trying to get validation on the internet doing same fucking way. So what I did yesterday. That's what the platforms boot full got. I I noticed that like after I wash my clothes. I put them out on the line embarrassing part of the story. Okay. So I washed my clothes. I put them out on the line. And I go to put them away and all of my clothes perfectly intact. Except for my underwear. My underwear all have holes in the underwear part. That is onto where partial the right under the underwear part. There's holes in it. So like animals are eating my underwear, the critical poet or the underwears. So I'm like, so I thought it was a funny concept that like either my washing machine is like crazy officiant in. It is washing my underwear. So well that it's like, actually. Out of the dirty part of my underwear, or it's not cleaning them at all. And nature is doing the rest of the job for my watch. Right. So post this. What kind of fucking psychopath? So I thought this was funny. It's a funny concept, but because I'm a fucking insane psychopath, and I'm like, oh, look this will be funny for the internet. I put it on my story on Instagram took picture of it put it on my story, and then send it away and think twice about it. I was like this funny idea, and it was going about my life. And then I went back onto my Instagram for something. And I saw the story come back from you know, like after you have a break of doing something look at it. And it's like a new perspective, I was filled with hot shame just so much. Shame. Like, what kind of fucking psycho puts a picture of her underwear on the internet. That's the comedian coming in you. Yeah. Yeah. Possibly I mean, do you d- mind me saying that like I think that's that hall on and give a fuck this is this is funny to me. Yeah. So I'm gonna I'm gonna tell this joke, and who knows a comedian who might do something like that on their own social media profile might have that same hot. Shame lighter on this. Fuck. The judge that tried that bombed like I don't know if your undependable bombed or not like maybe it was huge hit. But but and so that's the thing. So I saw this. I felt this horrible shame inside myself, and there's a delete button right there. And I was like, oh great. Just fucking deleted. You're an idiot. And then I said, no, wait a second. Now. This is actually your chance to deal with your psychology Lorna, you've made a thing you're embarrassed about it now fucking sin and deal with it. And don't let this thing to find you and now so it's my twenty four hours. I'm like counting down the minutes. I think the twenty dollars almost up now, I've just made it immortal times everybody. But now it's going to be going by the time. This is online I think God's can go back and unless someone fucking screen shot at overnight. You learn nobody likes me that much. You know, me known gives a fuck. And that's the main thing to remember is that like, yes, sometimes you make joke that doesn't land you're going to do something stupid. And I think if that is a road that I wanna pursue an especially like, I'm going to be doing. More live podcasts where I have this interaction with people out there in the real world. I have to come comfortable with the fact that sometimes I'm going to do at that is questionable an amazing. If felt funny to me at the time, it was thing. I did. And then it's okay. It doesn't define me as a human. So this is my new attitude towards social media. I don't know if it's going to check back with me, and like six months, my mental health this show, you wanna take this. That was one of the big things I did want. I wanted to podcasting trot couple of time than one to take on the road as much as possible. And I was going to be had all these like, I'd all these ideas that always going to be look at live shows and doing live podcasts like this. Like this big like, this some big international band was touring, and I'll be back talking to them and talking punches and then bring in visual aspects list of stuff, and I just never got to it. But you wanna do you want to like, yeah. Reveal some this thing ideas that you've got coming up that you told me about this pen testing stuff if any for people who listening, we've got some this some cool ideas coming up some of the challenges you setting yourself. Yeah. I love I love this fucking. I think it's because I stopped fighting. I need something else to punch me in the face to come after me need that challenge. But I think cannot come see you when you try these new challenges that you've coming up the sound interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll let you know a nice to have a friendly face. Not too far away. I'm not I'm not potty network knit yet. So. Exactly. So judge me. You're exactly right. It's just another face in the crowd, basically. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Like, it would be that. When I think of like ole time end result goal of this thing is that like if I'm doing something that means enough to enough people that they would leave their house and sit in a room and listen to me talk to somebody. I be doing my job. I think like I just the ultimate feeling to be sitting there in a room and having a room full of people laughing watching interacting getting ideas. You know, what I mean like fuck, but but I don't think you can even look out of luck that like the stuff that you're doing here the way I look at it. The whatever Amana time we've been sitting here having coma you'll doing a positive thing for you yourself right now, do you know what I mean like you could be sitting on your phone? You're not you talking to me. And I'm not that important. You know what I mean? But I don't think we've talked about bullshit. We've talked about some pretty important stuff. So. I don't think you can just think about it all on making a difference for the people. That's fine. If you've got that in your head. But you also have to go back, even if no one listened you've had an intelligent conversation with someone for the last forty five minutes, you have worked different parts of your brain. Maybe we've learned ostlund enough you today. So how is that? Not a good thing. If it's just me, and you and the black hole of the internet and no one else listening run. Now, you've told me something take that away from today. You could have been sitting doing nothing getting tan, whatever, you know, having a chat here. So then I fit in. I think. I think it's and that's the thing. Again, we talk about it. And I'll give feel like I can give good advice the paper, sometimes my friends can appreciate that as well. But. I can give that advice, but taking it on myself, sometimes difficult thing. But I think like it's I think it's always like walking that tight rope of like remembering that this moment is the most important moment. And in order for this moment to happen. Those other big moments like the multiple people moments happen, and then you come back to this moment. Like, the end all be all isn't selling out a theater and have never clap and say your name and throw flowers at she. Because at the end of the day sitting in this room and having a good connection with someone is what the goal is sitting down and drawing drawing that I feel connected to is a goal. But it's only half of the goal. The other half of the goal is giving that drawing someone that connects to it to do, you know, what I mean like as you said you fucking touched on it. Perfect. You said it's connection. And I think I mean really at the core of almost everything that means anything in this life. It is connection. And that's what's for me. It's always toys music, and then eventually storytelling, whether it be as it in particular documentary, storytelling. Just i'm. I'm excited to see what you make got one out at the moments called the other option. Yes. So that's that's a little old now it's like a released it in. Jeeze two thousand sixteen sixteen. I think it came out. So yeah, that's a documentary. A bats the essentially the underground touring circuit that started in south East Asia. And it was essentially. No one from southeast. Asia's told me I've got this completely wrong. And it was essentially a big pot of it was a strong in bands making connections with people over there and starting that touring circuit. And then it just it went from no one being there in the light nineties to being you could be no one band. You could applied five shows in any garage. And then all of a sudden if you reach out some kid from south East Asia, they're like, yeah. You wanna do an international world book five shows? Hundreds of people, and that's why ended up interviewing and tell the story a million times and talking about the film mutual friends in the band not. I k one of the reasons I was drawn to their story. In third episode of whatever my podcast was like, no one knows you. How did you pay play in front of five hundred kids in some random city in Indonesia and just telling that story was was interesting to me? And it turns out that I truly believe it was a straight man had a big pot of obviously, the work that South East Asian kids and promote his in whatever you wanna call them medic, huge difference diet to do the work. But it was it was the strain taking the plunge, and then it became a legitimate touring spot which was, but yeah, that was I'm proud of it. I'm proud of the storytelling aspect of it. I think I got the story. Right. And I think for for someone who had only done like web based documentary series previously, actually, do a ninety minutes feature on it. I feel like a brought it together pretty well visually. It is horrific. It is like now that. Being as I said away doing a bit of an apprenticeship actually working on video sets and realizing what it takes to actually make something look Knauss. I'm embarrassed by that extend the shit at focus is just like stuff on an I find it was a film, but the storytelling aspect of really proud of. And I definitely want to go back to it got. I've actually pitched some ideas that have already shut down. About doing more documentary some music by stuff, but I've got one that I think. I think you've make I've got one on the on the back Ben until has said craft, and I'm ready to pitch it into fall in the right people to help you with the money to do it that I think could make a hopefully make a big difference in this country. I went reveal too much what it is. But, but yeah, I always want to definitely want to go back to it. I got scared off. One of the particular director that I know of that went might a quite successful Australian documentary here, and he said to me. Done documented films gonna make any money out of them and perspectives immensely, and he also makes TV's, and that's why he makes his money to be able to support his family, and that sort of stuff, and that's fine like television, commercials and social media more. And I was like for wall as cau- documentaries anymore any money? But in respect the guy he's told me that it's like, it's a dead end. And he's was in cinemas, and all this sort of stuff, and he said, I didn't make any money out of it. So that really bummed me out. And then I was like, you know, what it's being a point recently where I'm like, what is other moments in my life where I've listened to that person. I always wished I'd done journalism in school finally enough because I love doing documentaries. Always wish I didn't. I didn't do it. Because I let fucking some jokes gamy out of it some guns. Cancel somewhere told me that there's not jobs really difficult to get jobs in that. So I went and did exactly what business communications, exactly. And now, I think I would be so far along with my end goal if I hadn't listened to that person done journalism, maybe that would lead more quickly to the kind of. Visual stuff. I love which is another thing footage. Doing interviews. All that sorta stuff like this the stories behind the stories, maybe I would have been they move quicker than come the roundabout way to do it. So when this guy told me as a person who's really respected me actually going now fuck that on K on Ganic back to it. One hundred percent. I'm going to go back to it. Because foundation you've got the skill. You'll fucking smash high play a, yeah, I'm learning how to do it. So when I go to do it. This time ran rather than the other option of got a bit more idea of exactly what goes into film. It was incredible learning experience that that film. I'm still getting people still oughta DVD's from overseas and stuff which is cool to be able to send them out. So people wanna find you can find yet. Well, the film the other option dot com, I think it is other option film dot com, but just Google the other option film. Bam you straight there yet. Wallace that the podcast too. I think he'll be taking down one day. Those fifty. Fifty three on episodes there. Yeah. Some of them really good some of them as I said early ones, quite bad. Yeah. I had some interesting conversations with people the years. That's for sure. And I definitely not regret. It was a massive learning. Careful me enough up mice respect for people. Like you who who are doing it? Also continuing forward. That's well, I'm happy that it existed. I'm happy that I found you through it. So you so much. Thank you for inviting me down. It's being lovely to have this chat. As I said to you before Dineh degrade, these kind of chats, even if it was just awesome. It's important shit. Thanks. Hello again that was in Thomas. You can find out more about him at D. I wireless dot com or check out the other option film and stay tuned for more cool shit from Ron Thomas as he finishes his as he calls it apprenticeship doing corporate video production for a little while until he makes them more mad documentaries. Thank you as always for listening to the podcast if you'd like to support the podcast he can do that patriot dot com slash Lorna, Bremner or pleased to share it with your friends. Tell your friends whatever do all the nice things that you always do in helps me out immensely. Thank you have a great week.

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That's be with what shoe goal and I want to talk about growing up there for you and all of that, and then we'll talk about your career after, but so the date for the national. That's that's gone or who knows as of now. What were we add officially? Well you, you put a post out. It's going to start on the fourth Yup. Obviously. It's GonNa. Go Rhino, basically into the fall but you know it I mean the the realistic side is what probably everybody knows. Is You still got to put together a travel schedule and the date that works for each state, governors and guidelines and restrictions. And so on so lot to in in all, the tracks are really willing to do what they gotta do to fine tune and come up with a way to make it work. Yeah, no and you know you heard. Some them guys talking. They're being pretty grateful and respect. They get back on their dirt bike so hopefully from the. The big sponsors all the way through. We can find a plan that works. You know for everybody I. Know I'm willing to do whatever. And, you could see a different date, or maybe maybe I can make it work. With our restrictions government. You guys, are you. Guys are a little bit tighter tighter state tighter lockdown state than than a lot of people are doing right now. So that's definitely an uphill battle for you as far as that goes, it seems that way from me from Washington state from what I read. Do you agree? yeah I mean outside of everything. Yes, we did actually. I I got here cater with. Our state and all that is most probably do especially in our sport with. One way or another? I'm not going to get to politic. But when things were, said it Kinda lit the fire under my body in EMEC sports, catch put together that safe to raise task force and I started reading into some of that, and then I thought well Melville did a activity recreational day then all of a sudden. We're able to go fishing again. I mean you couldn't even you know. Yeah it was crazy, I mean nobody agreed with that. You know and. And, so then they opened the doors for recreation so I. I did all the. Ground Work on all that I won't bore you with it. All opened for outdoor recreational activity. You know including exercise. Basically it was. Sure whatever you gotTa do, we ran a little weekend went. Will people pretty respect for the people that struggle with at all? But we implemented some stuff above and beyond I think what the state can do in their own recreational parks per se. And that said we implemented that on F I worked with some local local councilmen and all that they went. They put us in there with the small business meeting with the governor last Thursday. We were implemented in as more cost cities, essential and open immediately, okay? Pretty impressive. Yeah, good news I'm not mess, not necessarily given the props. You know to the guy at the top of the pecking. Order here in Washington Bod. He? wrote them and we're in. But, but the biggest thing is. Everybody's respect that and understand the work that went in to get there. Is just. Too Much, Stephen Wayne. Were there and we got phased in people. Are you know and I'm speaking to all you northwesterners right now and people want to come to our facility. You got you got to remember. We can be phased out now that the governor's labeled as he can lay with. Respect. Maple. Careful everyone! Yeah. So it's crazy. It's crazy I. Even opened the doors with all this, because whether I am one way or another, it's just you know. Put My head down and found a way and here we are right now. One of the reasons I ask about the date of the nationals because from what I understand and you can correct me is wash. Shula's always ran the national that weekend. Because the permits for that weekend, it's preferred. It's been that way for a long time to move the National I've always told Ryan was a bigger deal to get the permit. Obviously years ago, there were some issues. Wash you go with some some national and I think that didn't help things, but are you, are you? Are you able to twenty cop cars in our food and they go around. Let's just say that. One of the cars got stolen. I heard I heard. I watched it I think it was fifteen years old and I actually sat and watched it. From. The back of somebody's truck over, and you're just like data. I'M GONNA, sell past. But. Can you get a permit for another weekend? I guess. Is that what I that's where I'm going with this? Actually. We don't have to necessarily get a permit. We work with officials. We're grandfathered in like one hundred year old farm. We did a bunch of work I mean that's just the amazing thing on my dad. You look at this property where it's at Talks about L.. You charge too much you this to that and I'm not gonNA. Try to get the sideways because I'm already getting a little excited here. But he did a ton of work to get this place for everybody back in the day, and we proved that we were in before the land use laws seventy, two, needless to say. We don't necessarily have to permit, but there's still the guy the governor about a fall that's Kovin. I'd just met the permit from. Non Cova time I thought I was always under the standing that while she could only operate a few weekends of the year for the national for the national. Affairs and having the cousin what happened back in ninety one is basically restricted to making sure we have the proper involved. Thirty and when there's all fares, officers going on in August, that makes August tough. Man so I from what I know of what she goes history obviously. An iconic track, but there was a point and I don't think your Dad Ralph. What's your mom's name again? I'm sorry. Caroline Roberts Carolyn owned yet, but wash you go from reading cycle news isn't and everything else. It seemed like one year. That dust was so bad that the next year there was one single year. The series didn't go back to a shoe. Eighty three may eighty four, six, eighty, seven, eighty, seven maybe. And I believe Ralph and Caroline got it after, is that do I have my history, right? I mean the real history. Lesson is nineteen. Eighty was the first national. They might have been involved with motorcross at its. Southern Oregon track and my brothers that are all twelve years older than me all raced. And he he just ran help build that track with his really good on equipment had the queant available through his timber operation. That sad they were. One of my brothers was really fast. Taxi battle their keyhole damage pro level. and so we're into a pretty good and my dad knew they wanted they had the opportunity for national. He funded nineteen eighty, so he got. He got involved with the funding of it from there then on and made a deal. It changed hands within a couple of people, and he got more involved in always my dad's working. And he would probably eat probably work. Mornay did even though it was his place. Here and there and kind of going downhill, so he made a new deal with them when the. Funding that was around then. That was around that time around eighty five. Okay and they lost it in. They couldn't pay him back, so he got the rights to lease. And fixed it all within a year, and got the national the national back and we're off and running. That's it. Yeah. It's crazy to think about because what Chicago such. A great track, and so many famous obstacles and everything else, and then you go and. You lose it because the dust was so bad guys I remember what the second was. Bailey was like I stopped. Bailey was stopped. I just couldn't I didn't want to go up the hill wide open and I couldn't see anything. And you think about how great of a job while she goes been. I've been going there. Which is nineteen ninety-five? and. You're like you're like. I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine it being that bad so. When are you born? What's your birthday? I was born in seventy four so my. Your your. Fifteen sixteen years old, when the nationals are like? When your dad starts running it. I mean he was helping it when? I. was just running around the place like a little till head crazy Kim. And or whatever In my little fifties back then, but You know I mean my first national I. Really Remember I remember watching him I've been I was at all of them. But he seven or so, when I got serious for my dad, yeah, so eighty eight when we got it back I, think it was eighty eight, so eight on is what I really remember. Now was fast youngster. I just knew that. Hey, how cool is this? I come up here in ride while he worked right well, that's where I'm going. Can you imagine everyone listening to this? Just having Shula as your personal playground now? Aimar and J Mart have showed me photos and videos of Millville when it's a non national weekend, you know, and it's not this epoch place right? rain rowdy and grown in and all this, but still while shoe goal is your personal track. Pretty Damn Nice. YEA definitely answering. It's cool to say that you know it. It's mine you know the funny thing, is you? You look through the History Southwick, my best track racing. So I love my dad, no. I did this podcast with McCormack case? And McCormick and he passed on your number to me, you know he rose. He showed me shine at wash. You go right. That was his case. It was always his place, but look at look at our Wash Ugo. Only one yawns. So it's weird how that works out Ryan? It's totally weird. Yeah, well, diagnose I love beaten Jason here at local racists because God. Damn, he get pissed off. Them Great I'm rubbing it in bit right right right. Out of all the years and don't maybe not recently when you've taken a better hand of it, and you're running around, and you're working your balls off at these nationals, but as a kid watching them. Is there one year that stood out for you? I want to say I feel like it was ninety when I when I knew I was getting fast. Or Ninety one get onto one twenty, five ninety and I feel like I was watching. Larry Ward go fast. And I just remember thinking. Wow I A to I'm going to be here doing this. And more I was hoping to and don't let alone. Outside that you know this is my dad's place. I get to be part of this and while I'm already nervous race. Kit What am I doing it. Right. Did. You ever get to go out there with Larry number. Did you ever do you ever get go their practice with Larry or any of those guys like? Be Honest Leeriness Stepdad were. As I got to be one of the faster fastest kids in the country on many bikes. He'd come stay with me in Roseburg Oregon and his dad. His Dad was the one that finds. Your bike could work better now Michael? What do you mean and so? His Dad were riding, and they just turn my clippers all the way one way. Or another way, and then he made me learning I'll never forget Roseburg, and his name was Harry, Thorpe okay, and Harry and Larry spent a whole or poetry or three days riding with us down Roseburg and taught me to know the difference. I think I probably was twelve or thirteen. Yeah. That was that was a real fun day and and I learned about my bike. More and course you know, then you're. You're thinking about it all the time and always trying to fix your bike, especially McCormick local race or something. You've got to blame it on the of course always always you know Daniel Oven, or whoever it is. Yeah, yeah, I actually raced against Daniel a little bit I got the Gnome a little bit too in Canada, he came to the Canadian nationals whooped. Everyone's asked him. So I, kind of became friends with them a little bit from that He was fast Danny was really fast he he quit. He quit way through soon, but I guess when his family business. He's GonNa Screw it I'm going to do that know he never looked like he was trying hard like? In a sense David Bailey, Kevin, windham ish, but not tall even. True. So shoe goal. Obviously, I've always wondered about this Ryan. You can ask answering a couple questions so. I didn't like the taking of the Chuck Sun Jump Out I, didn't like that. And I didn't like the catcher's Mitt going away and all that I'm just a traditionalist guy, but you gotta. Make Challenges. I get that Why was that done? And what's your feedback on doing that? What what's your? What's your take on that? I'll try to make this. Honest and funny. Please do so you know. My Dad's known as one of the best guys on those are ever and they started talking about it well. Let's back off my dad being so good on dozer. Let's get to the first part. There was talk about. We need more fans space than room and go into the VIP pants in the different ideas to have. A little bit more. Open, space to build up. You know in a sense. Call it the festival, Yeah! Vending festival all that, and that's before we took out more trees close to the whoops, and all that so between food, and all that really fit. Right was just a good idea to do that and You know to the you know. The bigger side of things called him exports Amei back then and all that kind of being involved. And me a tyke Randall. He's GonNa. Listen to this, he he. I'm pretty sure it's harder work tycoon. Was I doubt he called one cents posted help us do that. And you know the funny side is is once. We got started bug, my dad. He'd let me run cat on her okay property down southern. Oregon and he knew I was pretty good on those wash new bill. You know you had yours kid. You gotta dig ditches. You gotta water. Pick rocks Blah Blah like the Martin brothers by the way, yeah, the Martin Brothers the same way Jeremy and Alex do growing up. That's all. All the time Oh. Yeah, yeah, no different from me I'm I'm glad they had to go through that or maybe not. It makes me feel better. Now. Anyway my first day getting onto those guesses win to help. Push dirt out of that. Was I'm thinking? What am I doing? Here, it was really hard to see it. Go, you know. In the end of that also real quick, so I was kind of irradiated with that in up on the hill where we got that big Buddha jump built job. I've jumped into fences and jumping over the top of that right after that, my dad sir led me run the Cadillac. That was gone and I wanted to build I seen this one day after God that can. Jumper guiding did some kind of Mike Craig stuff, let's say okay. Yeah. So I've seen this and I built up and in the midst of the My Dad ended up putting a weird turn in one year and I remember Chad reading. A lot of the writers didn't like it on the face or that road. Yes, yeah, yeah, I remember that yeah. anyways, so that was going to ask what that is. Chuck sons out. Can we build a table top up and over that? And put something back in for these guys to have fun on that right, and so we ended up getting that now it's never gonNa make up John You know I don't agree we get. We'll get lit up after this more than anything people that watch our facebook's going to blow up with. Bring shots and. It was cool. It was you come down your your hauling ass. You sail through the crowd. You know you're. The fences line did it was it was a neat thing, but yeah also also, but as well for guys like me. They're old school in bitching and moaning it time moves on, and things have to change. What about? What about I wasn't this? So some of the sections? Definitely, the dirt gone right. It's harder than it used to be back in the day. Can you just and you can see by the size of the track? Things have sunk in in right from guys riding it oh. Yeah, can you just move it over? Is it possible way too hard to do that kind of stuff? The waterlines! Hockey is in fan accessibility and all the tunnels make that tough. We didn't hit some really good dirt last year out in our field, which would have never thought and feed of Topsoil, okay, and so we started out then last year, so the track was definitely better last year. Let a let alone the weather in the morning when you get a mystery. Bitch us about the enslaved. They got other. Writers Bitch before so I've been there done that. I can't tell you how many times a mechanic. We would run the same tires all year. We get to your track, and I would just hear nothing but complaints about tires and pressure and Moose's and what's going on and I'm just like it's washed. Go Man, that's what it is, you know. Like, there's nothing we can do. But, we had some guys so back dirt roof. We had some guys nothing to get good hardworking. Help us at this facility, but they wanted to roll the dirt, and I'll never get. My Dad's really good at dirt and all that he used to used nobody can run a dozer fast as him and pushed her, and in the end result Ian. He's still he's eight years only still works. To Oh Jeez. Okay For Himself anyways, but they rolled the dirt from underneath. And you start some of the stuff we add so it looked really good, but my dad says this topsoils called tops for a reason and they buried. Well. We've been trying to get that back on. And, you can get back, but. We get all the rain. Apparent washes away so like right now. My tracks and Packed in. Pack you know we don't do a lot because it runs off raw. She wanted to trying to get the topsoil back on, and we're working on it, but it's a real scientists, isn't it? It's a real science. And here's the other thing. We used to water a little bit more practice practice, and when the writers road. You can't do that with the pros and the fast the speed of the bikes now. We used to watery more through the morning on the pro day and can keep it better. I'll never forget Trey Canard was looking at the tracks somewhere in the mid. You know two, thousand, six, eight nine. I don't know. Maybe it was a little after that. And he's walking on the amateur day and he goes. how Ain't like this for us? I go. You gotTA. Let us water while you're riding. Probably, Really. because. It is even better during the attraction considering condition. Out. No you can't. When you were younger and Yamaha was shooting the brochures up there, and there's a mountain dew commercial film. That was sugar. I believe, were you? Were you part of all that stuff that was going on? Yeah I was I did see him shoot like an five mountain do commercial. Mia McCormick your. That was fun, yeah! I mean we were Pretty Young Jeff you can only imagine between Jeff Glassy new. Yeah. There yeah probably more than I needed to learn at that. We've seen. But yes. So you around for that kind of stuff. Yeah, Oh, yeah, it's been rented by. Wasn't A. was there a movie? Shoot there or TV movie? Shoot or Chicago one time it was. who was. Nike's rented it for a big deal once or like. No Hummer didn't had Nike and a bunch of people here for some stuff once it was big. There was other little to other commercials. One was site for some you know. What are those half hour? Commercial things for a workout machine. Stuff that. Photo sheets shoots for Yamaha Honda. Kawasaki. transworld used to like to come here a lot of that stuff and you were always. You're always guy riding the eighty. Back then, right? Yeah. More once I got on one twenty, five, okay, and stuff more than what I did that I I was too busy, riding and racing and gone. To really fill in that too much when I was on A. Kid If there was eighty two weekends. I raced Andy two-time Yeah, right I couldn't get enough of it. So growing up. I guess you're looking at Larry. Ward, mail, those type of guys right. That are like the Pro Pacific northwest people that are. Mike and Phil get probably a little bit before your time, but. Austin. Yeah! Fast Brothers are fast Oh. Yeah! Rick Zimet Lol Thompson, yeah yeah whatever. Whatever happened Rick. He was on the cover one year. Yeah! Yeah. It was fast. Nikki was always number twenty three Yep. Yeah he did. So! How much do you get to ride now? Obviously, you're religious. Tommy Week Right. and. He rides a little bit and try some things out for you. Do you get on a bike and run the track a little bit and try some stuff I unlike McCormick. Jason would ride, but I think he's still finds his his. He's GonNa. Laugh, but his donut shops and dairy queen too much. But no, I still do I actually fractured my Napkin gut fuse. Okay top gun if your last year. Mentality going up, not blame. My Dad's for this, but I'll. I'm fine. I finished racing all weekend a couple of weeks later. My chiropractor said No. You're going to get an x, ray and boom. There you go go damn. Doctor's like Oh, I think it might kill. You should wait a while. And I said No. I'm not waiting around I WANNA. I WANNA be able to to you know, go ride, and be you know be athletic verse. Sit On my butt, and just be the Board Guy Yeah. We will you. Will you ride the track like no? Were you just for fun? You and Tommy or are you in yourself? If you drive up there on a Wednesday afternoon, will you water it? Will you refuse to ride unless it's prepped and when you go out there and if it's just hammered and just to ride it. You know I I'll ride it. Even dry out is when I when I'm into riding and I want to get my time up there I just ride it as. Go trip the whole thing for me, because then it dries out and it's. It's harder to prep later on. I worry about that before me, but Brian Flick listening to this or listen as he's probably going to chew me out because he knows I ride on. It was dry and hard, and that I'm calling him going for tires. But. He's got a few new ones here lately. That newer harder one that lasts longer. It's good good. Good here we're sponsored by mattress on the show, so we can get you some of those if you need. Now No, no, it's fine. Don't worry about hey, and also since I've been going to wash, Hugo. Three different starts maybe four. Yeah, what do you think of the current one is? Are you the fan of the current one? The most was the one that you liked. I like the current one i. mean maybe it's a bit long, but know Amex Lords came in they wanted to. They wanted a bit different. One I one was too short and forget I helped my dad build the one before that and me and Jason I think practice starts on we wanted. Let's just say forty feet longer than it was. which doesn't seem like a lot, but really it's extra gear for in fifty feet. and I think it was his dad me and Jason. We taped it out. And we liked when when my dad built it. He ended up squishing it up a bit okay, that was a struggle. They just wasn't quite long enough. Going up into that tight left-hander for the bikes to get spread out. Schroeck down and scrunched together all we. Know. Is it really? All fellow. The first time I went. There was about a whoops right very first one. The original ones way over by the whoops. Acres House and the then those what we still have the current. Start which is at the bottom of? The old national star is still there I. Don't think I've ever noticed all not. No. One the moved across the track. It was an uphill. Yeah yes, at the bottom of the track, actually the most south part. We use that for the amateurs during that much. Okay I didn't know that all right got it and then yeah, and then we had the short one that you talked where that cost them. I turn bunches up and now we have a current one. That's a little different. Pretty successful throws. Dirks changed a little bit like that's what I went down when I fractured my next last year of course I got up because I've always been a whole shot him was. It wasn't mad that it was a bit slick. I was mad. That I didn't hold shot. That's why. Man That's forty. So it's got to be for you. It's just literally that land that acreage of wash ago has just been in your life your whole life. It's just that you know that place inside and now it's got to be so weird man. Cool yeah, doing tracks awesome, and and you know it's for reaches further than just the track what it takes to make our facility and the crew cab is awesome. And the young kids you get out of high school. That Kinda weedy forty hours a week and what they are right now. We are hiring back on since we got that loan so. It's it's not like you eat here and there I mean you know. Let's see tracks, one point two miles, and so you've probably got a mile and a half a fence line has to be weeded so side. What's it like backwards to ride backwards? Fast and fun yeah. says. It's fast now. It's really fast. Couple of new changes. Last year we ran funding. We came down the downhill and did a big sweeping lesson up the appeal, and then out of the second turn. You went left. The step up of the appeal actual. Yeah, that's right, yeah! Really cool layout. and would be really cool backwards to, but I don't think it would be fan, friendly and for the pros it'd be a it'd be tough to fit in a wide enough second third. Turn Out I. Get. Hold on section would be really tight. Yep, yeah, it'd be I I just don't know how go over, but man once you riding the track it. I guess. If you're going to change. Wash your goal. That one worked well the best one that I've received from most people right? Yeah, I don't go backwards, but southbound. Did it I just it's a conic. The way it is the wolves before the finish all that stuff I'm old school that way. Listen I gotTA. Get a rental car parking issue this year Huffman I just got to figure it out I. Put time I get there I'm way down the hill I. Just don't like that I can get in the main pit somehow. Goal get you there. Okay sweet. Hey so yourself like. Let's talk a little bit about your career I. I met you in ninety seven You were working. I was working for I was hanging with Fernando and McCormick a little bit back then and Birdwell. Koffler, right? What's that? Glen Yeah. Yeah and I was A. Mechanic, so it was all all around then. I knew you coming up as an amateur. You pretty fast as an amateur, but. As a point like you said you're riding Larry Ward when you're a kid and all that. Is there a point though where you're like Hey Dad I want to? I don't WanNa just run the track. I want to be a pro like I'm getting pretty good I'm taking this seriously. Do you remember that being a mindset at some point where you were like? This is going to be what I WANNA do. I mean I always can do it when I was young. I mean like sixth grade I wrote the report in school. I'm either GONNA fly fifteen I'm going to be oppressed. Okay all right. Not a doctor or lawyer or any of that whatever I don't know what kids went. anyways, that's what I did with. Mr Gray was my sixth grade teacher. He looked at me and thought. Why Hope YOU'RE A firefighter? Think prolonged across. What's that? But anyways through that. Yeah I was I did good as an Amtrak championships everywhere. Butler Edis. I sent you that picture of my broken hub. Yeah, yeah, that's me, Ballin because well. It's crazy. Red Is went for me. I can't even had a lot. Of flying through some dirt, you're so. What what? In eighty six I'd one PONCA okay. I'll tell you real quick funny story about Ponca. Eighty six. World Minis I did good. On my sixties against Ezra and I think it was calling Edwards. No Con- Edwards's eighty five. He was a year older than me so I. Think People probably don't realize? He was fast under youngster. By champion, yeah, good family could do but anyways. Sweet Championship in Loretta 's I got a flat tire like in stock class, or let's go back to Ponca. Sorry punk win there in the Maud. Class I have that one, too. I'm going into the main with like a one one or whatever because you did like two qualifiers and then one main, and you took your overall from the qualifiers to the main, and then your score between the two was still a two point, two motive format, okay? These honcker. Anyway so I was going into the stock with A. With a I in the Maude. Was a second or first, and that's as or less a bunch. The fast guys back estimate all them and I get back to. Go and do a parade lap in the stock or the Modern Class I. Yeah, we pull off and no kidding Dave Miller comes up and I had the super fast sixty in I. Know McCormick said I had the best bikes ever. It was my first Maude. By Jason was wrong. Yeah I never had a big, old, tall fifty. Actually my dad at Punk when I was Riding Fifties Offered Colin Edwards Dad. He was selling one. Five hand-back in one for a fifty that was modified, and they wouldn't sell us one because we are. They're competent. Okay. It was kinda crazy, so jason was wrong on that one I never did have one of those crazy fifties. But that said as I did end up with a real fast Martin. Sixteen and Ezra had that. I don't know also a twenty five thousand dollar Maude Sixty from Dave Miller and I won the MoD class over as and it was obvious fast, my was. and Dave. Miller wanted to protest. So my dad looked at him and he says you know what you can and I'll pay. I'll pay the protests before. I got real big and he goes. Oh! Yeah well I I'm probably going to sponsor your kid one day. So you know what I think we're good. I'll never forget. That so anyways, then we go to Loretta and get a flat on the Stock Class I. Don't get a win there on the sixty. I didn't win. The Stock Class PONCA because demand took my starting gate after got mud scored on it after parade lap. And I caught up Kasim past him, and then went down, so I lost. That was I went to. Loretta is all fired? You're ready. And I get a flat and stopped class and then the Maud I. I got it one I'm unlike tense though. Probably riding tie and a flag or throws a rock dirt. Clod hits me in the face. We actually Tony Staff no Easter film everybody there and he would feel must because we let them come to Wash Ugo Yup. So on the film. Just see something. And then a tree. It was after ten commands. Going back you coming back on some doubles inner table. And you see the tree and you see me. Go off the back of my bike for no carry my hands, so he went someone. Like somebody right right, right? So then we. On my dad's not happy. Abundant me I'm bummed in me and dad that slager through hit me in the facial with Iraq, and I my dad's like come on kid. No excuses being a dad. Yeah! So we only get this lag had like a number on which the station he was at, and we turn them in, and they're like. Oh, you're the second complaint like what? Can we have my modal. Needless to say we got along with. Kim Senior out and they were nice and to be honest. We always thought that. I come back and win one anyway. Go everybody knew I was winning that year. That was good enough for us. All Right! Would you do to the guy? Nelson. What might? Who knows. we moved on. JEEZ! I'm after that I could never win. Loretta cleared a stuck in my chains on the classroom classes so. Jason really wanted to. KS Me on that one, so I told him. I'd just bring it up so there you go. Jason now, did you. Did you McCormick just like? Are you guys this battles the whole time the whole your whole lives like literally. I would say me him an open. There's one other kids getting in the North West. That was. Definitely fast our age. You know. Three or four of US yeah yeah. And mediation once on sixties at the end of when McCormick. Over moved up, me and Jason deathly would battle, but then we'd go stay with each other in the summer. Yeah! That's fifty gallon. Do we see I? I don't know my memories. It's a long time ago, but I S- I always thought that you and Jason didn't really get along much and then I. Did that podcast with Jason and he talked about was hanging out with you. Racin you and. Funny and jabbed you and I'm like I. Don't know why. I thought you guys didn't really get along back in the day I. I don't know why I thought that when when the gate fell. Necessarily friends. I knew how he checked. Right. You. Know if I could push Jason. Kidd that would he had more? More try get after whatever strength out. I can't come up with the right word, but he was going to go for it. I think you have more talent than you had more tighter. Yeah, you had more talent, you you. You were really good on a motorcycle. Talent could come up me and and his attitude strength to to take the chance. That's talent, right? So I mean if you want to call it, that would've show be but. He had more that that gnarly drive where I went off count like the smooth style, the wind of Josh Go. Rhino, I tried to smooth, but when Jason got me going, and I wrote out of their comfort level. Guess what? I can get him to that point. which is what I usually try to do when it was, his day was to get him out of his comfort zone, and either flat smoke me or he went down. You like. You were like toying with them. Yeah, you're right Oh. That's funny. Yes, so I walked over there. Yeah, that's that's how we push each other vast right. So as an amateur coming into pros, you have much support. Do you have anything? Yeah I had a lot of support from Omaha. Let's see. Highpoint gear was big for me back then but everybody. Lucky enough you know my dad. Does well with his timber business. We owned a bike shop for quite a while, so I had mechanics and help there, but funny thing is just as easy as people think Ryan Huffman had it. Yeah. I did. I won't lie, but there's a different side of my dad that people don't understand. Is You work for everything? And like? He knew I had four bikes lined up when I was done ride. We can I had to wash them and if I screwed up. In get him all the way to go to a mechanic. Then I washed them with toothbrush. Oh Jeez! I mean. If. I didn't have very many times, and that's where my dad wanted me. He's basically said CR this. Right take it away just as Yeah yeah, so I mean. I had the support from my dad on through a really good bikes. Gamma who was very helpful and in bars, com back in the day bars bars bars are still around back then early nineties, yeah. Had A pretty trick with this gray all that time and Even have got me some. You know. Japan cylinders and stuff. That were pretty impressive. To us and we had one five bike that nobody really had on the ause bright, so yeah I was. A, pretty good, but burnt to bridge with them I didn't burn many, but on once when applies I did burner bridge with and what you do, what you just what happened? Well. I mean. I was up and coming fast kid. Got On. What's in the Maha Bikes? I was small on shore. They didn't fit me well. The one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety one, I got fast and I'd beat Danny over time or two already and Danny was fast on him as their media and I'm saying a time or two. You know couple Motta's. We knew something. And Yelm Hall Migra was setting us up with the killer plan Kinda, follow behind Bradshaw had a lot of high hopes and. It'll give you one of these plans. You should never give up when. You're not get the nineteen ninety bite and I'm riding in the trend goes out and breaks the few problems and I want rates and ride in one of these epic days. Carts Branch Roseburg and And I got on my bikes and stuff from Yamaha and I. Jump on a Honda. And in the first moto on it I was almost five seconds faster, nineteen, ninety, one twenty five. Yeah, I could. I could believe that back then those Honda, one thousand five hundred so much better than everybody else. And My dad's always done business within his timber operations where you just don't burn bridge, and you talk to people and I called my guerrero. I think my dad made me. and Said Hey. You know I'm so much fashions. Hondas I really liked him and I might try to talk me out of it. And my dad to a little bit, but I I had to deal with it some and I just love that Honda so much. I didn't see well I learned about I knew factor bikes were what they were, but I didn't know that might grow was willing to build a bike that was going to work for me and give me suspension. I never had any idea was out there Yeah, basically, he just waved by and and. He offered me all that. Just like Bradshaw is going to have, but we just went with the Honda Honda. Help nobody back, so we went from four free bikes plus a mechanic at all the amateur races arts all the help to hey, let's by Honda's. Yeah and I think it would help me to stick with gray hair. He had a plan that would've. Showed me training ethic of what I needed to have. You just put in forty gallons a week and ride super, fast and talent. You know he had that plan for me and I turned away from it, and that's my fault, right? And I'm sure to this day might. Like Yep Yep. Yeah I mean is that part of part of life is making mistakes and owning up to it and no one wants. You did how things happened, but I mean. 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Don't my results don't show actually capable of that day I was on that first pink conduct, and this is where it got cool with hundred for me. What I thought was real. Cool is as an answer back then haunted. It knelt nobody well. I just proven that. Let's see I just proven it. The Winter Olympics at the B class. The year before I won fourteen out of some main jumped sixteen. Maine's when these to do you know T, T, super cross, outdoor plus GP. So I was. I was going to. I was one of the fast guys in a sense. Of course, a little reticent nothing can. Leave that one for what it is. anyways, one. What three out of four championships at the world many of that year and then I didn't go to walk anymore. Because when Jeff dement dement took my spot that when you're we fought, they buxton. We everybody knew Ryan's never going back to pump. So that one was out, but that said leading into my first national got back. You hear sorry. Lead into my first national I was the guy in Honda's decided to pull from the Seattle port, or whatever one of those new one twenty for me, and Mitch already done a little bit of suspension and stuff on them, so I got some suspension and just a little bit of stuff to it early, and I was just all jazz. You know first national in I. Go out and bike runs good and I get up to like eight in the first motor. My one of my favorite pictures actually. My best one of my best friends, Pat McGovern he's. Going to be my guy in the my wedding. Coming up here this year he's a in the background, and krause cried on my Kale, and he was the champion that year I believe. So, it's one of my favorite pictures ever just because that day was my first national, but the bike the bike kept dying in boggy and I'm like couldn't figure it out, and then you'd bring it back and we tried to get it to run. You know after the qualifiers and run fine. We go right it out and field somewhere or whatever. And then Sakamoto same thing. Starts Dying I. Worked up to one point around top ten, okay? Off I got sixteenth seventeenth. Each motor, seventeen, eighteen, sixteen eighteen. Come to find out during the mountain dew commercial McCormack's dad was dead set because I think Jason rotated bit and figured out that it would boggle them. Okay, and you're wasn't just saying. This was happening for no reason and Jason's dad in the middle of the mountain dew, Commercial all getting paid stupid money to. Write dirt bikes, or he has to work on them back then. He starts messing with it and. When he pulled the car apart all sudden, the float starts leaking had a panel in it. Would Philip. A few get. Down, dropping a lot, no! I national so damn because Macomer MICALLEF. McCormick's first one he got nine I was like holy. Shit, Jason, five hundred class, but I'm like that's that's phenomenal. Lineup, for the first one was third place in the first, the one mud got third. Yeah, something like that. Yeah Yeah V v V. I can't right, but yeah, it's pretty damn impressive for sure. Were you nervous? Were you you? Do you remember lining up behind on? These guys know watched forever. No. Could else can riding around them now don't. Be Walking around before. Yes, absolutely once the gate drop in the fans and you're young and. You don't get tired. Even though you know at that time, all they did was mountain biking. Put it in so many laps I. Never had the. The people around me back into show me that ethic of fully training to be honest I, just rode. A lot of people think while she was. You should have seen where I live there or my dad's still does. It's like Millville dirt. It's three hundred four hundred acres. My Dad's personal plays really. That I mean washable, Riding Wise and beautiful, you can't be washing. Up With was, unreal for tracks. to practice on? They weren't the greatest in the summer because it was so silty. But yeah that that that said. Baxter washer yet was amazing. It's this place you grew up with your dad's cap around. The fans run real. They know who you are. And that all kick in and upon them way and you know just bite kept dying and I was you know disheartening yet? you get through it and the end of the day. You're like wow, I did this. You know in ninety, three and ninety four. You only have one result for each year. Did you get hurt? You're on Cowley's. Well, I mean back up so the end of that year on those Hondas I go to I go to after my great year. Winning whatever X. amount of mains getting the the. Trophy in Florida at the Winter Olympics I go back as a pro. And I'm bad on from yeezy. Chic I remember. Those two are really fast back there. And I think as a less maybe just went up to youth, so he wasn't on. We didn't have to worry about him but I'm telling you right now. We wouldn't have beat him wells. Wyndham come, and they were fast fifteen sixteen year olds yeah, but. We get all the things we get the motor cost and I reckon for Laden reconfirm chic. She thinks I'm going to get off the track out of the way. I decided to go for my bike. I want backup up and on he between me and the bike I my left hand goes in his front spokes, goes around and gets his forks busted my wrists in three or four spots. Couple bones in my hand, and put the bone out of finger to Oh Jeez. Yeah so from there I was I just be honest. Never was a came out of that what to Seattle supercross and got a twelfth supercross. He'll. Remember. I don't know when Seattle was, but maybe March I. Don't know I get a twelve and I never even wrote a super cross trap never. Never you know I think in California one on one. That wasn't even nothing like test traps. And I get a twelfth and now my tracks. Everybody says I'm always a good jumper about to my house in Roseburg. My Dad. He's like he's like Oh. My son's always good jumper have fun. He's not get bored. He built the whole. The whole track was built my big one. To go both directions, so there was no landing. Received so I think that's why I was able ride. My first supercross pretty good. Yeah, but then weeks later getting ready for Loretta One more shot at Loretta as I tore my Acl, okay, I never went and tried to fix it. I kept trying to ride. Then went downhill than I partied with my friends for a good two three years. I just wasted away really really. Just over it, yeah, yeah I just never was coughing and I was scared to get hurt that I never took that injury right until I finally started watching Jason Train and he was a work, hard work and full young. He didn't even know the right path until he met. Doug Henry or both of us, but. That said I started to go camera. Start Training in a little bit, and and I wanted to lose weight. I was going to get out of context and was done partying. and. What your! Dad pissed that you were doing this. Was Your Dad pissed at you? was was was like whatever yeah, he was like whatever yeah? I. Kind of be my own I. had the mountain dew money to spend on my only let me. Hold my own out new money. Was Happy. He wasn't giving me no free wrong. Yeah I mean every kid goes through this I mean I just wrote a story about Kevin Windham and he went through what you did, but when he was factory Suzuki, rider I think everybody goes through something like that. At one point, my own brother did he was a gnarly all in Ryder three classes, three bikes discovered. You know hanging out with friends and girls right like things happen, right? So okay, so then in ninety five. You got serious again. You're like okay in ninety five. I started. I think I got with Doug and back Jason. By can stay with them. I'll never forget. This is when it got serious. Should we mean Jason Mountain biking? Jason could always out mountain like me. No matter what even we're both in really good shape in later years ninety nine, he could. Just is twitter waiting for me? If there was, we came to a crossing and sure, he knew he had left and I didn't know where we're going well that exact situation how Doug Henry and he broke his derail off, and Doug waits for Jason at a at a spot in there. In Connecticut Jason has to wait for me because I'm another five minutes behind. And then we get going. We didn't know Doug brokers derail. Well we get another spot six miles left and we get a mile from the the truck and Doug's running full on with his bike on his shoulder growth. We're mountain biking, and because of me, Jason Jason what a dog and kind of gave us you know gave me some Greens and and. Keeps me about it a little bit more than Jason and from there. I thought wow. So I started. Put My head down to run. How was over mountain bike? So I started running and. That's where I started doing a little bit better towards the end of ninety six, and then I got no surgery. And was able to breathe right and ninety seven turned into what it was top here in supercross and. That's that's when I first. Met You and hung out with you and you were allender lucky. Was Your Mechanic Great Guy at all Al? Good old al.. Sweet box fan you were Tom Morgan was doing your cowboys, and they were nasty sounding by the way Tom, if I ninety seven cakes fifty. I've tended to Tom Morgan tomorrow. That'd be at what. I remember. He made inserts for my car in a sense. Of It. Oh, yeah, the to your what I like. You didn't have the ability to have. To Do, you can do today right right? So he kinda tuned it off the car, but in these inserts with all these funny little grooves and stuff. And and you were wore axel gear, and you crushed it as a total privateer. I mean back then there wasn't any. Sort of sort of semi factory, help or anything else it was. It was a privacy effort and I and I, said this on the McCormick pot. I believe in the told other people. I watched. You jumped ship before factory riders. That's the that's the God honest truth. Maybe not Gary I guy, but say the second third fourth guy to jump stuff. That other factory riders would not jump and. Crushed that year, and you were really good all year man. It really came together for you. Yeah, it was a fun that was by far the best year for me. Ever racing was fun. Allen Allen Allen had the. Ability to talk to me and get me going. I, was the Soft Kit when my dad got mad at Ya, you know didn't work. Why the hell are you going outside? You should going inside. I've just keep going outside, because said that. Didn't work for that. Reverse psychology Monday on the way to push me, and it was pretty cool, and that said I got so I, I my face on the bars when I was young and messed up my nose, really bad and I couldn't get it fixed vulgar on. Have, since I was getting better and Doug was talking to me about breathing Henry. I'm reading and the Diet stuff and all that so I thought well. My brother-in-law happen to be a doctor. Diseases of chest lungs and breathing and he's like you gotta go get surgery. Why did Mean Casey Johnson actually hit in the Reno arena across. Endo broke my collarbone. I thought, screw it. That was at the end of ninety six went and got the surgery on my collarbone was broken came, and I was in new person. I lost weight quick fit like. Be. And slept better, and it made a big crazy Then I was like. Let's go race trial. You know not just my talents going to get out there for a few laps and. There was ninety seven I mean. Try to try to speed it up basically. We the first Super Cross in those twenty two. Or twenty two or three factory writers, twenty spots, and I qualified at the first one wouldn't even ready for that, and they had that privateer bonus where four grand wet towards the privateers when they split. Race! At all. But I made more money from the. then. Immig one that day. I can't remember. Ninety, seven McGrath's struggled. Suzuki's I think but whoever won that night? I made more than them with my twelve, hundred and four thousand eight this for. School right was it skull yeah, score money yeah. So then you know, the whole year went pretty good for me through that I. Just couldn't break the top ten for the life of me. And, there was a lot of factory writers really was, and I just remember every week man you would. You know sometimes you were in our practice, privateer, practice, and then soon enough. He's in the big practice and. We would get in the big practice and so. I'm watching I. Know Al. I'm hanging out with Alan and Ryan and. For Net and we're Birdwell, and all that and I'm like I'm like this dude is unbelievable. He's just. Again the bike sounded. The bike was on point Allen was. Great, it was a it was a good year, and you got a primal Suzuki right out of it. Did you, have you? To throw Ross under the bus, but I did have suspension that went back every two weeks. Yup, and when the last race was done, your bike was framed sitting on the floor and it was with him. It didn't even go home with you. I will say that help and it wasn't nothing like full factory. Yeah, he a little bit. Ross for me was your huge huge deal so I really want to give him props for the help that year between Tom and him I had a bike that was better than privateer. Ninety seven fifty. Tom Organs. They make the Selma Grind Hoffman's by God. It sounded nasty. I think were you in the running for northbound ride like Jason I think. Yeah, I heard you recall. Basically this happened southway. which was always my track? But the results don't always show it because of Iraq or whatever but. For some reason to cost, or and a few of them were watching me and south look I, remember I caught up like six past, but. I think it was one time I'll tell you a try to get in a funny thing with Michael, Rocco. I'd pass Morocco at one point. He was chasing me the whole time. And then I wrecked button wrecked on the blind side and I hit him and I got up. Button got up back to I. Don't know. I don't know what place but towards the back yard work back up in heat in that rough track to the top ten again. And then the second modal, bad star, or one of the motives, bad starting I worked up pretty good. The other motor was the crash and everybody saw that they were talking about it well. I. Think seem to cost therefore, and he mentioned it a little bit okay. Oh, he noticed. That week I got a phone call from him. And then from there. I can't remember who Honda was calling me, but somebody from Honda has called me. Inform me as you heard from. McCormick about the EPSOM, yes! Satellite Team I sat down with Henry and Vivo to be honest, and they walk me through Doug. Henry is a big help and he's like fullback. You bike four sure. Suzuki, take don't. He goes listening and seeing this new stuff. What's going on? Take the full factory, less and less money and and. and I got to clarify one thing about that. Brian deegan gets this tells everybody. I took his ride. You can look at the results I wrote a K. Two fifty that whole year. I never jumped on Zouqi that year he. Should he have got the Suzuki ride when riders were hurt. Yes, I agree to that did I take? No. I didn't I wrote A to fifty all year that. Yeah. I mean I got clarify right I haven't heard that from Brian, but yeah. I haven't heard that from Brian, but his Brian. Dr Results weren't there they weren't. If you look at the role, the they weren't there. He was a supercross sky and and factories need people who can ride outdoors also so. Were you always so. I kind of making it. You talk about that supercross. Track that your dad both ways. We always gonNA jump in always. It started on sixties. Jump stuff that. There was a track Blythe California. Had this huge table top and it was like one off race. They, did can't remember what it was called in, and I was jumping it on sixty five and nobody could believe. And Yeah. It was a table top and then. I think when I remember when I was young. Everybody 'cause I knew what he was jumping that so kind of fire, my but. The kids that did that. Because Damon Huffman, and all the guys weren't jumping it and still, and it was a table top and now. I'm thinking what. A Harper. Wide Open Shop. So that was kind of the beginning of it. And then the tracks, my dad, he knew the weird thing is my dad's old logger. Never did rider dirt bike. Makes Jokes that he got a of whole shots without a front wheel and makes jokes to get people to laugh, but I mean he had a wooden leg since he was nineteen, but he could build jumps and traps better is better or good or better than anybody around especially in the north westbound yeah. I don't know how he's seen it what he saw what it was. Because I feel like. Guy, that's really good on a dozer. The junior writer build you junior left. I hate to say. It doesn't match the speed of the by sure. He always could match the speed of the section. You're on, but he built me some stuff. That was pretty crazy. You know I had a woops. Everybody says Oh, you're so fast. Whoops, and you're the Chicago one's. You can go through faster than. Any of the guys. Well my set down. There was two sets Washington wrote was about three hundred and five. Out this sounds like a new Max Dad when gene gene. Gene new MAC daddy just build the most dumbest stuff ever. Yeah so the ninety ninety eight primal impulses Yuki your salary tsuzuki writer. Todd Brown's your mechanic. You start off with a fourth pretty good from there, you know. It's looking okay and then slowly. Kinda gets worse as the season goes on. What was it like that you're? What did you pressure or Pressure not so much to be honest a backup, everybody you know there was talk of. That's what I learned to go to oops. Stupid fast, so Scott was a show Agai we're testing and I was all into the testing I'd went from Tom Morgan taught me a lot, but I didn't get to go to Nevada all the time to see him do staff, but because listen Tom I was really excited about testing. And with the Japanese and Burley D. and all. What's the other? was within forever. Alexander was there. Yeah. But no was mechanic Leroy. Leroy. What's that mccullum? Lee Delete Yep so I had them to myself. chesting back inaugurated a couple of jumps. Thanks. I had fast bike and I'm in an I hire trainer guide always Kinda know for a while to help me a bit and did some different training and the testing. I'm we get my get my practice bike built. It's built like my race bite I'm doing twenty five lap Maine's that are almost every laughs at least a second faster or so at or the speed of Larry Ward or Albertine Yup And everybody's like no way then everybody can hear me through the whoops because Scott gets me the setup for my bike to run I run my vikes lower in the rear so in the whoops. If you're biking sucked down in the rear. It'll just clean through him way better and even goes little sideways. You can track better and I've been the writer. Always the learn to drop my heels in so I could get through the whoops like no other without work, suspension and people could hear me going through them all right up and it's going to win well. My wrists start really hurting. and. and. Something that you did or the the cost nothing against a costume. I have my beefs with them by any means, and he has his with me, but. I! Promised you know hey I work with UCLA doctors. You ever have any problems. I'll help you training a healthy this. And then he was so overwhelmed with two fifty stuff. 'cause those bikes. Coming from they just. especially after my ninety seven bike when I jumped on one of the to fix this. Day. They weren't great. They didn't look at me very nice, but you know it was the truth, and so he was really overwhelmed out in my wrists or hurt. In I'm like I'm down to eighteen laps. I'm down to fifteen. We're getting into December I'm barely doing fifteen. And I and then Roger I'll never forget Roger Goes. You training. What are you doing? US Roger. I've been trying to talk to you for a month. Dockers. Risks Really hurt in. Try and stretch. What about your fitness are you doing? Good enough work with your wife on all the herbalife. I've never felt so healthy. Right and finally I go you know what Roger you still run. A I know used to run these hills with Rocco some. Let's go for run right now. I was kind of scared because I knew he could still run to test truck, or where is this? Restaurant on the hill. I heard he likes to go run around and he backed off and. Back to the fifties he was just he had to get those bikes. Lodge has a big history going back to Nathan, Ramsey and tim ferry and and a lot of guys that if you're one twenty five dude, and you don't catch his eye right away, he doesn't. He doesn't do anything with if he doesn't really. Doesn't care cons. I was the thing my lap times that he was concerned. Test. Everything was falling off, but I was trying to tell them. Hey, my. Is this your. Is this something new? Is this an old injury coming from the sheikh days or So I hired my own trainer a little bit because I thought Roger was gonNA. Help me a little more guide me. He was wanting to get with Jeff Spencer and by God Jeff Spencer up in Oregon. Problem was I couldn't be an Oregon just spencer. He was out of so-called. He didn't want to do it down there. And he found a place in Oregon and I didn't know that so I was trying to figure out a plan now anyways I got it helped me, and I did a lot of that Olympic weightlifting I thought I need to be stronger. I can run like no other and run a high heart rate I learned from Doug, industry leader his name. Was Jim kind of Hippie cool dude and I've really learned about heart. Rate my heart monitor. I was good their side. All do this Olympic. Weightlifting's all that well. It was ripping on my wrist and I wasn't doing the proper stretching. What is to be doing well? I didn't know what time, but leads through supercross. Goes this shit for me. Until right before Minneapolis break my thumb fun I can't hold on. Well I go get tested for carpal tunnel. because. A few doctors send me that way. Finally, because Rogers helped me a couple of doctors, a few things and no kidding, they shocked me and I slapped the nursing. The face because I know carpal tunnel finally, unlike what a friend of mine in grants, pass Oregon, his sister. was really into fitness, and all that we'll see Jeff's Spencer in grants pass so I, just called Jeff up well well well ahead of his times. He kind of had a wellness health. Not Really Chiropractic but whatever. Facility their spouse. And he's goes through all this and come to find out he has. We do a few things in my wrist. Swell up. He's like you got full on tendonitis. And I Fractured my thumb of it, and then he goes, he goes with my, and so that's something. I never told her Roger Nobody I had I've always had algae induced asthma. So you can't breathe well well between all the above. Then that Spencer had me get to a stupid high heart made on a treadmill, and you watch my breathing, and I taught myself when I'm struggling with breathing getting titled Non Shrug. My shoulders and I would lock air off to my wrists to in a sense, your shoulder. Shrug up to your ears I didn't breathe for crowd when. So, he worked with all that got tendonitis. Adam arrest showed me how to stretch got man a lot I profile because it was the quickest way out, and then I went to Minneapolis and got a six. Hardly Know Yeah Yep. And from there comes outdoors and yeah I I. Hope Shot at every supercross, but our bikes and you can ask your artworks junk outdoors, and Roger was all in building us to fifties. The Japanese that have time for us me and Renard even went to the head guy above Roger About building bikes. Todd Brown would tell you all about this and our bikes suck. They had the long first and second gear for supercross. Yeah, so we can jump triple and second round twenty five believe it or not. That's sweet, but we could hold shop because everybody else's shift the second we were still pulling I and you could get that Elba. Well when you shift to force gear on outdoors, guess what that gap. That bike wasn't ready. No good and we just never got help and we struggled with suspension Ando Renard night. We're really want our full works stuff back. Not The kit and we were Shug. Did you ever meet that Kurt Clovis Sky from primal? Did he ever come around? Oh, yeah, I knew well I stayed with him in that house. He had in Temecula this that he got in trouble over because he built all the tracks, and in the wine hills. I one off I. Never I. Don't think I ever saw kirk. Clovis one time in all my years I'm like who is this guy never saw him didn't what he looked like so? Dude. I mean he loves the sport. You know one way or another one of those guys go. They come in because they love. He could've spent this money somewhere. Oil Money was it. What was it i? Mean I always just heard his dad more property than anybody in tax. Okay, all right. Yeah, basically what I was told. I never dug into curtain. Or Kirk Yeah I never dug into them and asked I. Just didn't go there, you know. I almost wonder if things have been different for you picked up. chaperone Yamaha arrived a to fifty. Some sort of there wasn't a lot but A. Few right or You know. I would have been smarter about training I. Would've did with Doug Henry. Offer you know stick to your plan? You're getting fit. I'd learn. Doug used to have his own little one facility with rocks and and trees, and picking up logs and. Course she had, and his guy taught me about heart rate on all that which is in a sense ahead of your time, and then I'd learned a bit from. From McCormack to through that and we'd put stuff together. Between Jason I had a good plan and I should have never changed. Yeah, get on the bikes to Koster, and you know I changed it and it was hard on my wrists and. You know I. It's all on me. What where it went down could have. I chose a different ride. Change all that I. Don't know if I would have done the same thing with training and. In all that still all have happened, probably one way or another? Get one shot and knocked away. To like. An intense Zucchini to sign me a reply or whatever they have to sign me back for ninety nine, but mean rodgers cost. You didn't see eye to eye. And I was bummed, you know. That he didn't help us enough, without goes I. Mean when Renard Started Smoking Carmichael. Couple Times. Know if I can say this now, but his dad built those cylinders. Yeah, yeah, I think we knew that yeah. So that, we know. and I think Roger knows that now and zookeeper probably knows it all right anyways. I just come from going back and means Jason has the opportunity to go to planet together. Just sounded. It sounded sounds like I need to get away from the stress of how that all went for me? So I went for the new ride with Planet Lynn three honest I never got a ride more in two weeks without breaking a bone that whole year. Route that whole year up for you right there and that those Honda's weren't very fast, either they weren't. Those. Like I was on for super cost, but then again when I'd shift to fourth in the way, they've carry kind of Ottoman. They were doing. Yeah, was it wouldn't die. Right. Planet Honda out of Michigan, who owner and the owner Poland's. Oh Yeah. Oh he was who I I hate to say this, but he was one of. Chuck kind. Good do good news. Kids was good to me and Jason, but he's just in a sense metro. Sexual mean that in twenty but. He was a pretty boy. himself. Hell bike shops I always thought he was there for the parties to be honest the after party. To have that guy with? What's yeah kind of a bummer right now? You're pigeonholed as this. Kid that. Didn't got a shot and didn't make it or whatever, and for a lot of reasons, and that's especially back then. There wasn't a lot of rides like there was now you know. But I did a lot of its myself could have made better decisions I didn't, so you know? and. you know I. Got Jeff Spencer like Roger, said regardless and flew back and forth. If there's any change I could had. It would have been right all right Not that al nothing like album Baker by any means, but he was definitely beginning of all that. So long as as willing to go back and forth to grants pass. He would've built me a plan. Really Right. That's the only thing I'm not one to say. You could change one thing one way or another you know you live and learn you move forward. Life you learn and you move forward plans to plan. But I would love to go back and maybe found that earlier. But here we are yeah. No, Hey, listen, and you're not the only kid that happened to over the years as far as like. There's no and I've always said this like look at a guy like buckling to buckling was so fast as an amateur and. He comes in as a pro, and he wins a supercross race, and he breaks a leg and like he's just done with Yamaha after two years invested with them in the amateurs. Ferry and Nathan Ramsey washed out Suzuki like they just couldn't do anything right. Eddie warrant a Kawasaki back in the late eighties like they give kids, rides and I'm not blaming anybody, but this is how it works. They give kids rides money, and there's no manual for how what to do at least nowadays. It's like Hey, kid, if you Kate Tim and Husqvarna. You're going to Baker's factory to work with South American Baker and here's what you're going to do. There was none of that back then there was no. It's sink or swim literally. Just that's it. It's pretty much a blueprint now. There is there is. You know we ages. Preschool. Some of them are sharing facilities which. Is. Great, but you know What's kids are fifteen or so fast. I mean if they're lined up with Mitch or GEICO or or Will haunt and some of that. Levi kitchens young kid right now. It's kind of like villa, Porto because he was so small a year to behind, but lineup with Yamaha. Under cycle trader, but I think we'll haunted me. There's all the plan is. Pretty pretty good. No back then they didn't. Speaking a little Levi kitchen one thing for him I hope that kid goes far I love. The kids got crazy talent his house actually. Huge burst the Big Guy, a frame front windows. He looks right down down. He's got an awesome family. Cool. Yeah, they're good at this facility. SALZER that out there so he's got some pressure on him, but while she'll. Right yeah, no, for sure. It happens all the time right so. Well Hey man, thanks for doing this appreciate it love to talk about the tracking, and then and in your own career, and I stand by that ninety seven season a yours man I was there. For me. It was arena across. I loved it. Quick. The whoops. Nobody could get through. The wolves had a blast. You Make X. amount of dollars and you're done by March and you can help your dad wash you, will you know? Yeah, I mean why not right at that point? You're like look this is. Not the not the way it's going to. Pan Out where you're GonNa win a national championship. And now it becomes making money and. Having a good life. And it was fun and gesture. Why I WANNA. Give him props. He was so good to me with no fear never actually signed a contract with him those years. I wrote no fear doing arena cross. Same thing I'd always get battered and arena I missed three rows because of an injury, never even though I could finally get to where I'm beaten, demuth and man. He didn't like it when you beat now. Got Along with him but boy howdy. the sheriff share. No kidding what I told buddy ns because he was going to help me moving in when he was doing some agent stuff what I got read in, that was never even contacted by. What because I didn't get that he was women. Was Awesome. Dude. Yeah, but I'd like to get that out there. Jim Hill was always good with back at Axo. Those are the people in in Vivo got I really WANNA. Thank Vivo. He was my first sponsor. I think eighty-three PONCA. He was doing a goggle session on how to put tariffs and lenses, and all that on I sat in a right with him, and he knew kind of fast, and he says kids are sponsored, and we've had our longest relationship with my dad, and so on with Wash U. who is Scott. Scott or sorry Bebo? I shouldn't say Scott because he's one hundred percent. These things and they're really good to him. But Bebo was the guy for us in connected forever, and he's the one that helped me through everything, and and when my arms are really hurting and Roger was helping me, he gave Roger his sense, and and the next thing you know I ended up Sir Wall and was a big part of that. That's good. Brian Flick Dunlop's backed me since day one. And, so there's more instigating getting I wanNA make motorsport both shopped sales. All your sponsors, goodies and In our sponsors and so just want to make sure they all know, I appreciate them grateful. And also I remember you are the first talking about Jim Hale. Passed passed away for years ago. Really really bummer. Coming in and doing a thing on axel before he passed away. You're one of the first one of those all carbon. Akzo helmets, too. I was like look at Holly Offense got one. Yeah I remember crashing at once, he said give it to put up. That's it right. They were awesome. I mean they were I? This Day since that day I've always had ever like helmet. What Mabel closes with. A PG Jason for net story. Do you have any? Do you have. Do you have any share, not necessarily PG because. He was just always. Matter for me if you A. Hannigan up there by candidate racing and you are pissed off. 'cause land smell is taking out. Eat make sure you cracking up laughing duties. He's a legend. Right. Yeah. You know. Hard worker he was. Do you train your trade his balls off, but then he would stay out super late, but. I was always. Good ties with Frenette for sure. Thanks for doing this Ryan I really appreciate a man i. hope to see you. Go I. Really do this year. I think we will. Maybe we can curse you into doing something. Some kind of one of your shows you all. She wrote one point. I would probably Debbie Piazza. Steph is part of the nationals and lineup for you that way. But well listen you. You work on that rental car parking and we can talk. We can talk. Maybe I'll get your side by side in. Your own person to drive you around or something. I've ever go. That's what I'm talking about well. Thanks for the time, Ryan I really appreciate it congrats on everything that's been going on with you. Fly racing racer x podcasts presented by Max Paul, Ryan Kaufman thanks man. Hey, thank you one more thing. Really WanNa let everybody know with this facility. What my dad's built I'm super grateful to be here. Be a part of this for the Moto people. Got Tommy Week right down the road. It's very helpful. He had building a house. Right out here to my own crew. My fiance, my kids. We've got a killer killers group of people up here and see all this cove the one thing that. That's stronger for me than ever is the love for this place to keep it open, and I want everybody I'm very grateful to have the opportunity to put in whatever time to learn. You. Know through these hard times to keep this track going in and. My gratefulness comes off to my crew I. Hope they all hear that. Tie Crandall I, said this a little bit. Go but tie Crandall I. Think I actually love this track as much as him now. Would have went through to get us open for during the. That's also that's funny to add on. No I really WanNa, thank you guys very important. Part of every track out in America for sure so. Thanks again. Yep thank you for the opportunity. Thanks for listening to the fly racing Steve Methodist, show. Don't forget to check out. Some of our past shows including motorcross legends such as. A Rick. Johnson look down my hands jock. Over to the side, the tendons worked jerking and weird places, and my biggest disappointment Danny store, because he never said sorry to Danny, and I were friends and we've never talked since. N! Before four the five hundred events David I fly to Germany go down the street guard. There's just a little shop at the back of the mall factory. We get their cylinders. Take them back. Know off. We go and you know we're in Nicosia. Cylinders is a battery park. Handful of years before anybody ever saw in production. McGill was all you know. He did the big pancake thing and he's got the thing. He's completely lay on the gas tank, trying to miss his tree I mean he would have gotten. Even harder jump farther. That tree hasn't been you know. been there. I love the guy. I don't think he's the greatest competitor. This sport ever had absolutely one hundred percent in my mind. I firmly believe that statement I said about these modern day. Guys in Switzerland or Belgium forty five minutes on the bike you're not be. Crazy. They're not doing it if they think they're so much better nowadays than they were in states, there fool so different bikes different times beasts from the East Damon Bradshaw, it got to the point to didn't want to leave home, and once I got to the race I wasn't into it. I wasn't gonNA. Give one hundred percent I'm not gonNA. Take money. A WORKING-CLASS HERO. Henry. Definitely an emotional moment for me, just thinking to myself, that's it you know, and it's amazing. The stuff that goes to your head in a short amount of time of. Things that you know that I was going to miss. Machine until you really open yours and you WANNA. Listen to what they're saying. It's like being Ed. Morrison and I know from personal experience and beneath by ever sit me down. Of course everybody did goes. Mitch pay. Two ways to make the money one is, you can sign for money or two. You can earn the money. I'm a high believer in earning the money. I think they ride better when they earn the money. Seven time Jeremy McGrath. So mad like so disappointed so frustrated. Pick and I left every point count. I could kick myself to this day for not just riding around and ten been no problem. My in my ego got in the way you know. Show Johnny. Stuff that you could eat. He didn't WanNa ride just wanted to look at it. All Day I got a chance to test on that I like that Air I really do search Popa Maximiliano tune store to enjoy these over eight hundred grade motocross podcasts.

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Jim Ross. Jim How are you man. I'm good karting. Better underserved release at least a huge week in my world for some of us some of those to join us a Wednesday night from Charlotte. You know that's how it started. I got another trip of making Divall Baltimore Star cast also doodle play by play for a full gear and I can tell you Conrad this. This is really reminiscent a when I was younger and very emotionally invested in. What I was doing doing as far as work was concerned? I've looked forward to packing. You're not talking. We recorded this show you you know I was hell. I've been trying to get tax Sunday. I'm ready to go to work on ready. Ready for this team is GonNa play this week are younger guys and gals and see what they're learning and if they're putting to use what they are learning because part of our process so it's fun to be a fun week and opening week. I I think a lot of talents between their performances on Wednesday and Saturday night on pay per view are going to do a lot for themselves are not it on their wealth or they're not their wealth their value because everybody's always auditioning and so what is my value your values what you provided on your last opportunity. So that's what we all got that opportunity this week kicks from Asan. I think it's GonNa we have fun night. Both nights Wednesday nights good happy. I'm jacked up about this Saturday night. Show yeah and I think everybody's jacked up you know. Baltimore is a wrestling hub. And there's so much wrestling history there and you'll get to enjoy it with star cast four in Baltimore and of course full gear. I'm sure we'll be talking doc in that as we continue down our show today. But let's get things kicked off man we we made this are Hashtag ask. Jr episode as is your chance to ask the voice also professional wrestling. Anything you want and we're going to try to get through as many of these as we can. Jim Are you ready. I am ready Sir. Jeff writes in how. How do you respond to those people who call wrestling fake well? I think it's the wrong word to use. Wrestling is a a theatrical performance. Obviously for many of us we've known for quite some time and the actors within this body body of work. Perform their own stunts. They also Performed a multiple live shows per year so oh fake is probably not the right way to describe it I think Predetermined the outcoming predetermined is one thing but the course we're getting from them from the opening bell. The closing bell is not fake. You're not there's not a mysterious bed of air. That official meeting that hard are getting hit in the face or whatever is the is the act of the of humans trying to fight so that they're so good at what they do do that we forget that they are in a performance. So I think fake is a bad way to describe it. I would agree I would agree. Let's keep it moving here. This this is a a deep cut here. I can't wait to see your reaction bad money. Slim friend show wants the now. Your memories of the train wreck. That was triple late. Scott Steiner at Royal Rumble. Two Thousand Three Scott Stein. Oh well they had no chemistry and neither wanted to go out of their way seemingly to make the other guy look good as he could have is saying. It's not a this. These things are not acapella deals. There's the symmetry in a teamwork in a some degree of unity. Not that has to exist when a match booked and when the talents get in the ring to performance these guys just. I don't know if it was. They didn't like each other. I had I know I should. There were issues. I don't I don't recall them ever spending the holidays together but so I would just say was a lack of chemistry and cooperation in both guys quite frankly at that point there could be a little bit more professional. Jay Wants to know what are your. What are some of your favorite cities needs to visit while you're working or otherwise? Oh my goodness you know I. I'm so lucky to steal. When the Jovial Chevy Cheik Oklahoma border comes out that hat on I never seemingly have Meta Stranger? I easy to talk to each other to approach unless I'm standing at the euro and of course my hands are full or a meeting so that's not those are not good times just as a heads up for those I a lot of cities are great. I I mean I love the warm weather places. I'm a warm weather guy. I've had great times and I've had some great times in Toronto. I had gotTA. I had a wonderful experience one night in my hotel room in Montreal and I don't think either was what the hell we're talking about because she's still princeton. I smoke something else but just great if you could always the WHO's the Foodie. I like to different cities. Always offer there somewhere in that city city Pat Patterson and Jerry Briscoe and I went to. We had a big show of Manchester England and we wanted to place go eat local or whatever and so the guy gave us a direction over to Chinatown in Manhattan and Manchester a walk from the hotel. We're staying at. It was one of the best experiences most fun nights I. I've had in my career. The food was unbelievably delicious. And we drink a Lotta Sake and you know. It's chilly night. The warm Sake I could draw Patterson Cadre Briscoe got drunk and we ate and how much we appreciate it. Vince buying booze food. But little things like that. So what you remember. I can tell you that right now. A little things like that and then Gordon going to Japan being taken to a bath house by the accuser when some of our party had tattoos and they still got in. Tonio are laughing about that experience of the day. It's just amazing the things we've been able to do but the point back to that surface that that was cool because of the week we we took on a little dark side of the culture and it this comes in adventuresome but the food that we were able to they provided for us was simply amazing so I allows travel. That's why you know we'll get this job with Awa Tony. Kahn saved my life. I believe that because I like getting up now I like getting a going somewhere You know every Tuesday morning man. I'm four five o'clock at the latest. Catch a plane for slide out but I'm going to do to do have our production being on Tuesday night and then art show Wednesday so I got a direction now in a destination and all of them are funny. Make them fun. I go on twitter at JR's BBQ. Conrad what's the Best Barbecue Place in Baltimore. I'll get endless suggestions. And I love their fans and affects. They enjoy watch me eat. I guess. Let's talk a little bit about Saturday morning TV. Jay stovall writes in growing up as a youth you. I was a big Fan of Saturday morning. Programming especially watching action zone livewire. Do you have any good todd. pettingill stories I feel like he doesn't get talked about very much top pros and Rada Guy He. He did more knowing less product knowledge. Just about anybody I can think of but I never had a AH issues with the eagles he was. He was not an ego maniac in my eyes But that's from one ego maniac proven me talking about him. He may have been one. I just didn't see it but he was a good guy to work around. He was touted hill. I remember one on top. Got The biggest last the biggest laugh on a on a thing with McMahon's I can't remember where we were but he's he had this idea he was there and Lynn always thought toddlers hilarious. Yeah so he. He wasn't funny guy so todd. imitated a A wrestling announcer would to ritz. And to be honest with you. It was for your hail but you can't do it on TV because your mom mocking someone has an issue. Linda Lavin Linden led to have a good guy. He was a player. They had a great gig on with Scott Shannon in New York City on In the mornings and the field Jay considering a friend but he just he wasn't an ego guy. Probably a little underrated as far as wrestling fans concern. But you gotta understand. He got by where the credibility that he needed needed to buy. And knowing less than you would ever dream So that means to me. He understood our process what he knew. And how communicated so. That's talent okay fehb now. What the key skill of being a professional broadcaster slash commentator? The most people don't think is is important when pertaining to the job. Oh preparation preparation. I was just going through Notes votes before. I WANNA tacked on Delete Oklahoma. You're going to trip and You know I've got every every note on the talent. The BIOS Alex Marvez so kind enough to provide us All everyone who's ever distributed since we I started this business so I got BIOS every talent multiple times sometimes changes because the results of last week changes you bring the story forward but preparations for the biggest thing and little things like you know when you're when you're calling a live event you utilize monitor and not your eyesight as much much as you would think. So you're GONNA be fixated on the Monitor because a monitor what we're seeing at home. It's your job to describe at a narrative to the the lyric to that music that they're seeing or hearing so it's the preparation he's always been the key thing and that means a lot of things it doesn't mean who. How tall are they? Okay what have they come from Emi. Titles they won and all that stuff you know know something about them and understand that who to who you are where your audience is and it's just a paper use a little different than than tonight for us for me it is because there's no there's no TV time there's no there's no commercials so the preparations have biggest thing and that goes for a lot of guys your broadcast or do you want to be broadcaster. You already already baseball or hockey or whatever you got to prepare you get on a who the players. Are you know what the game plan is. What's going to take this team to win this other team to win And then have all that stuff filed away where it's automatic automatic recall so so that she can focus on getting get into the flow of what you're seeing in the correct narrative so prep work is the key to success my well. I'll tell you what you get Lots of prep work with the new brand new. WWe To k twenty. 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And I don't know that Tony and Bruce use Would would have that commitment on the structural side Gaza. The Tony Probably Second Guy. And then approach bruce coming up at the end and not because businessman he is he's created a businessman that's forte creativity and so this creator. Cats are not as structured and buttoned up as other guys are so therefore I would say that Bruce proudly on the business side is not quite as buttoned up as Bischoff. But they're very good at the specific things that they do is not as one not one. Suck socks in more one-size-fits-all saying a one size fits all deal now argument for me. Let's keep it moving here. This is a fun. Deplorable hombre. Wants to know inquiry minds WanNa know as far as non competitors like announcers and commentators as far as you know is a w chocolate cake friendly. Yes they are. At least I think they are chocolate cake. The old the old the old buzzword heinous buzzword for pot I you know I haven't seen by smoking part of building or don't tell but I've never heard discussed. I've never heard any of our. We've all we've all been at. We've had documents documents for us. And things of that. Nature explained county policies. But it's not an everyday discussion therefore it is for seed in my. Have you listened to my professional opinion that we have. We don't have any significant issues whatsoever at this time. But he humans they can fall off the wagon. That could make mistakes. But I don't think there's any big issues there right now. These kids are so down young many of them and Hungary and seeing opportunity this line before there is so they're not making twenty five or forty or fifty or one hundred bucks a night on Andy Show. They got a chance to really make some money and I tell I tell us all the time. Don't screw this up. I had talked to the brothers. Said man you guys are as good teams. I think I've seen maybe forever the only thing there's GonNa stop you is yourself and that goes for almost everybody else just in his locker room so don't screw up and they're great great kids they get it. Hey this is for your family man. This does not run country songs here because he has changed the life of this company. So why what you try that. Why would he be the best? You could be and see where it takes. You Know Fun game so I don't think there's any issues serving you know. I don't know that there's any Chocolate cake of referendums on. Conrad You oh no I I. It's never come up. This is the first time I've ever even considered that. That might be a question. Yeah they were good there buddy. Mike dolman wants to know what minded the sound like. If Gordon solely were to promote blue well my cock has never been harder since of every forty seven the forty eight. It was that era and now it's harder than a CAC scratch. It's hard the Mr Perfect Fan Canal. Canada writes the downfall of JCP's been fairly well documented over the years. A lot of common mistakes are brought up that sped up the breath if someone could have avoided some or all of those mistakes would McMahon of still found another way to wipe the company out it would have been challenging the issue that Turner had refused to yield their muscle. Full with The Cable and satellite cable and pay per view companies All broadcast partners in entities. They had a big a group of those guys they've players in cable world that were on Turner's stockholders and big investors. If he could have ever pull let together to where they could have seen. What the potential pay per view was and product knowledge of pro wrestling which they did not then then because at that point? They didn't really know what they had. And that was unfortunate. But I don't think I think the The thanksgiving crocodile hadn't have didn't have the the the working capital to have distinct fund. Too many failures and that's what happened and the knockout punch of course was you know the Head to head on Thanksgiving night and kill the killed all that and there's a lot of money invested that do a lot of money money but I think there's a lot of money on the line. They're based on what the I proceed. Income would be so this will. We'll get this to come in with this cash. We'll definitely be here after the favor. You know what it died. A natural death because McMahon went head to head a guest and of course when we turned around and did the same. Ain't thing in that clash one. It costs a big old. You know pissing contest and so then the cable system said well. We just came wrestle. Three McMahon's medicine autumn money burn has tuna Bush. They look at the big picture that did not look at the long term. And they didn't look at their broadcast partner Ted Turner. So there's a lot of misconceptions a lot of bad management of I think if the game stay somewhat equal as far as the favor you distribution crock. It would have even just fine. Quite frankly Matt right was to know how well did. The von Eric's sell tickets in mid south. They so good they show well especially in Oklahoma City and Tulsa because and the reason for that is is that not every market of ours I in mid South had a syndicated world-class Hampshire wrestling show. But most of them had cable systems that carried Channel eleven out of out of Dallas Fort Worth the carried the von Erich Saturday night show to our show. I think from Well I can't remember I can't remember I thought it was from. I think it was a tour or the place support worth anyway. That cable cable show got good ratings got got great reach in a crate. Great name NBA daily for The von Eric's through that cable show of course in their syndicate. Show if you're lucky enough to get that In enforce the fact that these kids are special and they were event stars in it. You get a rare opportunity Sam Command and then watched good about booking them you know as he always they would always you to go over but it wasn't without a struggle and then not be some that the end where that she'd angle for the next show to give them a better reason to return but yeah they did well they were us. I could tell you that you know there was one time that came to also and Calkins in undoing the TV competitively the TV together with your booking at that time and so we got Carey is there. Kevin and is there and Chris Chris is just tagging along and I couldn't find him and I finally found him a near the baby face locker room out in the hallway behind a row of Folding chairs lying on the floor asleep and then we went into the I went into the other the Beta fish locker room and I had to get some attack carries carries boots and it was sad and so the cow. We're going you know not so great you know. So like any promoter. You don't want any bad news. So what is it I said well of course versus far nursing your partners to your partner sons. We're having a little problem here tonight once over here. Let's talk it over there bill. Is he dead. He's not dead he's passed out and then Carey has trouble tieing shoes so I can remember. Somebody's some good a dude refereeing. Maybe somebody tied Muslim. It was just. That was the wild west man. I guess what you said. Well thank you didn't know wrestling's wrestled Asia shares L.. Did was the right decision. Of course not of course not. It wasn't my decision whether it was it wasn't it was not the right right decision with fanfare of the mound. Eric's Goddamn if they got the eric since the irony of this is those kids carry especially I think Kevin was. I don't think Kevin Kevin nearly that kind of shape at that point this I saw but man When that when that when that came on and the music hit an the crowd cheered and boy they carry on Eric at one time was hotter that doughnut Greece? He was hotter fucking Elvis and he be irradiated sexuality issue -ality in an animal magnetism. Mr Moore on my God so yeah. They helped us a lot. And it's just is that we show. Conrad it was supposed to buy. We'll try if you can have if you're GONNA be a restaurant reliability. You can't rely on. You can't Flan anything big for them. Let's keep moving here really fun question here from Ronnie just says do you think if given a fair shot to succeed you in coronet could have been just as good as you and King Corny has said Multiple Times that dawn and Russo did not like that much southern on one show. I like to gas together other. Thanks with a lifetime of memories with fish. What's interesting about that is lawless from Tennessee? So he's a southern guy. But maybe we've been to southern To for Cornell Jim Ross. What do you think though that do have worked long-term Cornet Kentucky as we know absolutely there were times when there were shows that we corny and I had together Clashes favor views are are TV. Friday tonight shows that we had a nice fat match call that he was as good as I've ever worked with But there's always you know now both of us have big mouse and both those are kind of to political at times in our business. At least I know I am have was so. There's always something. Imploded are duo but he was really really good to say that we would be better than the king and JR car or is called Oklahoma and chair. And the king. Hard to say. 'CAUSE lawler and I work through do you think about it. Amazing Times in the history of our business amazing times life death all kinds of you know all kinds of things you know money not wars eighty three weeks getting or ask kicking row you know steer the course all thanks we endured and we work through and came out on the other side. I think it was amazing. asset. WWE and. I'm sure they would say the same thing in the right audience. But I really Laura special but cornet was really really good really good as there's other guys. Terry funk was underrated detail when he was focused. WanNa go cheese to try to dual him mentally. Are you kidding. It goes amazing so I've Heynen Heynen. God bless him. He had a birthday recently as talented. A human being as I've ever seen arresting Venice setting him off talking about looking at a picture assigned pitcher dwayne Johnson big movie movie poster from his walking tall movie. I love that movie blood. The other one to the original be professor story. Heynen was the the best overall performer that I've ever seen with my eyes in the wrestling business. He'll Asaka he'll which there are very few of today whatsoever. It was a master at it. He was a is the manager as I ever saw I. There's not a better manager than bobby. Heenan ever in the business ever. What about what? What about our kids but the Kleenex up? Okay let's knuckle chair here. We go good with Shane. As you can figure this shit out S. throughout the foreign channels. Yeah Bobby Heenan the best ever saw and the TV host TV co a color analyst. God He's he's amazing and go back look at any of his work folks at any of those areas those areas that I just described job descriptions and tell me he wasn't as good as you ever saw in doing that role because doing this. Row the best so bobby Hannah's always wanting vp to me. Because he could do more. Thanks better than anybody. I've ever seen rinkside rant. Wants to know. Jr Fewer to book a stadium. Show for a w where would you bucket. And and what would your main event be. Good Man Toil I mean what year like nineteen to twenty twenty. Let you got a core there. Are you gotTa Cortel. That had that Tony Kahn is invested heavily in. Cody the bucks and Kenny Omega now. There's this other cats that are getting paid a lot of money too but I would say they're the top four guys so Tosa kids donate that everybody wants to sell t shirts. You'll be a baby. They sell t-shirts. You don't not in this world that's good for you. I said that we got four guys and I just this name though and they are getting. I paid a lot of money. Rightfully so and they're occupying a position team as baby face. That's the position I play. So let's say at remotely true and you still own your quest to be a baby face at eight. W right now the way I see it the best. You're going to do number five. If you drop down this a little bit already number six so I ask you you. Who is the number one? He'll well that's obvious Chris. Jericho trying to get packed their moxie job. If you're GONNA mix those other four guys the way the make money right now in restaurants to be believable. He'll that understands the psychology of wrestling. That understands that he or she must be able to feed a multiple spot comeback staggering and falling on your flat back. Ain't it feeding a multiple spot. Comeback is what is an Bernie. He'll worth a damn so so I'm a the heal thing is big to me but I what I book you got your your book. Cody or something You'RE GONNA book. Maybe it's the blow off the cody and Jericho. I don't know the bucks gotta be. There's the we we're going to have a lot of great tag teams and she's young kids get better better but you gotTa have the bucks involved in something something maybe it's another big ladder match or a TLC Mash with a buck. Something along those lines and then Kenya Mega and you know and is issue right now l.. Jon Moxley should be money for us this Saturday night but when I go for I don't know it's hard to save it and a dome right. We're not ready for Dome Right now. I wouldn't even entertain that thought. We're not ready for a dome right now. But that's not a bad thing. We're building owning a brand. We've had a half shows or so. So Dome is premature view. Steve Hinchcliffe cliff wants to know. If you had to pick just one of your sauces. What would it be and what would you cook for Conrad to accompany it? Well my best sauce loss. There's a lot of ways to look at this the straight answer the my best sauces and JR's original 'cause Jr's original is a the the the the motivation for that was my mother's barbecue sauce. She made a saucepan on a stove. Top in our little four room concrete blockhouse Oklahoma and we had a screen door so we have an air conditioning so when she would cook the screened the door of you open and you that aroma. We'll go right through the screen door right outside where I was playing or doing something. So that's what we replicated that so that there is a marquee sauce. I says grandma friendliest sweet. It's not vinegary but I think one of the one of the mustard is amazing. This guy I think one gram sugar in it. It's Jalapeno honey. Mustard is sorta terrific and I think that the chipotle catch if when warmed up is a really interesting steak sauce sauce. So that matter of fact I just re partnerships the guy. This week a friend of mine. I've been working with us for the projects. He's going to help us Create a website that we're GONNA have a we're GONNA have a warehouse here in Norman and we're gonNA fuss own orders. Where's your own products and we're going to try our hand at that? Goes I want to be in control of my destiny and we have. We don't customer services on my ass. I don't have a problem with that but we will have good customer service and if we don't we'll dixit but we'll be able to sell stuff unhelpfully have opened before By Black Friday. That's our goal. So you know things are growing nicely with the reservoir Q.. Sauce is the money money and I would probably make. Conrad you know Conrad and I got to be smarter. We gotta eat more Turkey and chicken so I'd probably smoked on radisson Turkey but but just our backup. Well the state chaser. Think safe. Jamie waldrop wants to know if given the book and eighty nine on versus a committee. What direction would you have taken the company no corporate politics? You have complete control the hire fire and book while US broad scoping a question they I would not have discarded the incumbent that had named identity but I would use those individuals to make new stars. We Fall in love these characters as Vista me about Doc Mick Foley. That's why you should not harm mic vilis. Break your heart and That never have had had yet so I think we're good but I appreciate what this is trying to tell me. He's trying to prepare me for heartbreak from talents. And I can tell you. There's plenty of talents. I work with that down here. Come near breaking your heart then not because it has failed. They failed a lot of areas but they failed and he didn't think they would would. I don't know what do you think. Conrad I don't know man. That's an interesting question though because flairs eighty nine. We're coming off. Three flare steamboat. Matches were as good as any matches in the United States. In my opinion those happened then eighty nine as did thing so I know but what I'm saying. Whatever I did going forward would include those guys right so oh shape form or fashion? Ric flair versus Ricky steamboat versus blank. Terry Flip Front versus blank. Then all the against each other because all three of those incumbents mentioned flare focused steamboat have the abilities to make anyone they compete with and perform with better. And that's what you want. These young guys need to get better and by getting a win or a great performance or a time limit. Draw anything along those lines with with a hall of fame. Guy Can't hurt you if it's at the the Nassar out of their ass. They can't hurt you so I'm do something like that. The the object would also be. We've got to create the new stars and who's going to be and I never I didn't have I would not have had the confidence in in Lugar as a champion. I think he's a better chaser to better. He'll I think sting if you're going to build a territory create a hill. uh-huh factory sings a great big hand place in my view. So and at one time I would have endorsed Moudour as being the ended up the champion or the WCW champion without a doubt something different something global and but that never happened either because there was never a consensus on that I was kind of the last county out on that deal so by thought we study different and the women are office love murder. I knew that women lacked his look and he had great skills he had the moon. Salt were else is doing it basically so anyway a lot. Oh things like that but you got to always look booking. WHO's the next big thing? And how am I getting there. Who is here? She and how to make them better interesting question here coming on the heels of that one where he talked about Muto Brandy Wagner rights and says what does JR Call Fans. Is there any special nickname for us. US female fans ladies No no special names. I look I'm a southern guy. I I can probably offends you because you've been mere talking honey. I just call you honey. 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You will and get get control of your goddamn brush file. We walk around like good Lord. There's no reason for that is not good guys unless you you want your crosscheck supplied Davy. Crockett hat okay. So you don't have your scrotum and surrounding area look like Davy Crockett's at trout reptile. Bit Talk to me a little bit about seeing Pock Greg question here on Twitter Matt. Carlson wants to now have you or would you speak to see him punk. Since I feel like you could be the perfect bridge for his return to wrestling by the possibility of coming to a W I I have great respect for Phil Brooks trucks. I surely do and I think he's a marvelous performer. He something that the business needs right now because was he's real. He suspend disbelief. Amazing Storyteller. But I would love to sit down and talk to just about you know our friendship. You know just not initially going straight mainline into the Harvey. Okay Eh what's IT GONNA take to get you back. Any idiot can ask that question so I think maybe you discover those things on your own find out you know whereas at is and what he wants to do. What if you just want to match well I would take him to do one match? I'll build it right. I get it back on TV. I build it and built a one match of course on paper view so he can maximize your investment. But I don't know what fills commitment to the business. Right now would be if he wanted to do it. I know it'd be all in. I'm just not sure that that's for you said is right now. He's he's got a movie out now. Thanks very entertaining. It's a Nice David horror movie. You know he's very happily married just seems to me like that's worth a lot man. I tell you that in fact so it I would love to sit down and talk about stuff but And I think we would have a very productive conversation because we both I think a lot of ways but again if he isn't of the Mindset Conrad to want to get back into the business with any type of commitment and we both know that is a huge commitment especially in today's world so I don't know I just I want to be in Chicago the Wednesday night before Thanksgiving and I think I'm gonNA stay Chicago for two or three days so maybe we'll accidentally run into each other. Go have a taxi. That'd be interesting. I think a lot of people would want to be flying off offer that conversation bass whilst another some legendary storytellers in and around the business. In your opinion who tells the best stories and can you give us one. Oh my God well any of the biggest. Here's the deal I'll say this. The best storytellers are generally the guys that had territory experience and the next best storytellers whereas the generation that followed those people into the business because they got trained by them they around him. There's some of these stories. They experienced any storage stories and then they got into the business level they could. Actually you know. Pay The rent by by supper. That's what I was there. So many the late Skandar Akbar was the best storyteller of all Jimmy Weaver Vernon Texas Mon Deborah. Ah or Lebanese immigrants. He was a strong man for real. The squatty fullback burning Texas USA. Fishing them off so much. Because I will do play by play in the car of the burning. Lion's games where I would construct my play by play that the squatty fullback from Vernon Texas Texas get stopped. I'd tracks. He ate it. He Sasha scoring to squatty so whatever. Great Storyteller Taylor and it was really fun to be around all those territory guys methodist. They travelled by car. They were together all the time and they didn't get tight. They didn't work so it. It works five days a week or six. What are you GONNA do? I WanNa work six days. A week are seven so they were together all the time. Those stories gathered up their facet territory to territory and you can imagine a kid twenty two years old like me. That's riding a car Dr With Hodgson Akbar on Don Giardina Sport and all these other cats you can only imagine stories. I heard what they told. And what I learned from those guys but a lot of stories are salacious. You know they're they're about You know their sexual escapades and and you know I didn't realize we remember that loose and I was so naive I know clue. So there's there's a great story there in that regard I remember they they The boy section picture of this woman one time and in Baton Rouge she was. She was a manager of a hotel so she came to my room. Pre predetermined the voice Hajj Akbar or some of the guys dirty bashers. Really bad bad bad guys in other kidding there's a great rip but she was a INTO SEM. Yeah so the first thing she wanted to spend my ass I said well will. This is from taking out honey. That's why that tattoo above my ass. Do not enter. We're going to enter their and WINGO SPANK my ass. How's that for you? And she latte or everybody said this is what you say or something like that but it was set up because she was going to sink my rear and and do other painful things to other parts of anatomy that I chose to not participate so stories like that. They're all salacious their sophomoric. They're wild west justice you know and some are some are distasteful owner told are are they are just harmless at you. Know You you learn things Akbar take me to the Buffet Russellville Arkansas. While hotels around I forty. We'll get to thirty buffet at three. So it thirty minutes straight like we're going to the electric chair and that would be the other day seriously no breakfast or driving. That's our lunch. Go The show a little rock and then we'll drive back to determine fifty miles. There was no dinner. So you'd load up on the Chinese food. Swell up. Face relics tangles fill up everything. What needs fills up? And and she got he had all you can eat for two ninety five. Goodbye uh-huh Charlie through our wants to Jim. What can you tell us about? Vince McMahon. The person here about the business side of him a lot but can you speak on him as a husband and father grandfather well. This has overachieved tire life in a big way I know him very well. I still have great respect for him. He knows in his heart that he needed me for anything that strong. That serious as a personal favor are as this as this friend that I would not be there. No doubt and the saying goes from me. I know that in my personal life is something occurred that I needed to reach out to him. I know He. He would respond quickly and positively so I always believe need that he has a very good heart in that respect. Can't tell you all the things he did and said offered when Jann got killed that means a lot to be folks is more than piss off somebody because they have a three hour raw and it shouldn't be in in your view come on so I think he's got I think he's I think he's a workaholic. I think he's obsessed with this company Bill. I think he's I think he would say it. But there's nothing really more important than for prominent more important. I'd be the right word but more prominent seems seems to me like then w. e. in his life. I don't know if there's a good thing or bad thing I think it's the thing that is there so I he's had a hard headed. We've had some of the most amazing conversations when we're by ourselves that I've ever had any other human being thing in my life so it's just the fact that I figured out how to communicate with him and he he me and we always did better two of US and You know that's why a chance that you know. He's Vince. Walt Disney or even Michael Jackson to the degree that he didn't he didn't he didn't do well all at times and other people's worlds so he created his own world that he could be the king of and function better. In and at the end. The day you start thinking about it you know they had a bad philosophy. Create your own space. We the the king of that's face where you're making the decision so I got bad things about me a lot of money that my kids and my grandkids will be spending some day so and and I again. He's he's been a great France when I needed. I lost the biggest thing in my life to my best friend and my wife. He was standing right there so that means a lot. You know one of the things. I've always heard about events that he would or he still does. I guess he works. You know his own schedule so you know there's business meetings that start at eleven o'clock at nine sometimes he'll land in a town at one. Am and then he'll just go straight to work out but he's got meetings the the next morning regular business times since ever sleep told me one time that was our enemy remember back you saw that more than one time sleep is our enemy. He believes that just as a credo he has. I think he believes they can get away with anywhere from three to six hours of sleep a day and he's his body he's lane he's he's trains. A lot of eastwell rallied lot of protein. So I just think it. He just convinced himself that he it does require the sleet that most people do and as long as psychologically. He believes that they're just going to work for him. 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Let's talk about Michael Passer he's got an interesting question. He says On Raw Eric Bischoff nephew. Eugene debuts Eugene comes out by the commentary desk and by you and then he winds up paying a miles to the bush-whackers it starts licking King's head King. No that was coming or was that a rib. I think that was a little bit of a real cost Jerry was not prepared for that. So the reacts you saw was pretty legit. I thought Nick dinsmore phenomenal job. Is Eugene and obviously the character. Today's world is very UN politically correct in the eyes of so many I get it so but boy he was a good performer. Silly is great worker. Good teacher You know came into the W. Group with Rogers and Danny Davis. Jim Cornet et all those guys else. No so he was trained right in Rob Conway or great team. We had a real good operation there over Udougov proud out of associated with dudes but And the other thing about that. Nick discourse really impressive. Conroy's you know this. He he he liked many of my friends including you out punter coverage in marriage. He's married to Mrs South Dakota and Stephanie Dinsmore She's beautiful woman and they had their promotion. Are South Dakota so check about sometimes folks. It's always good health. The other guy and he was one of our guys. We recruited sign and I I wish him and her nothing but the very best. Let's let's throw another question here. This one's from Jr says Adam page is my new favorite wrestler. What do you think the ceiling is for the hangman? Well we haven't senator yet. We don't realize what a ceiling might be He's got a lot of really good qualities. There's no doubt about it Smart Guy I know key got. He's aware what's going on. He's aware of what he needs to do to get better. And unlike a unlike a lot of guys quite frankly he's not unwilling to admit that I need to work on this. I need to work on that. Whatever it may be so a guy graduated from four year degree in two years? Two and a half years or something. He's twenty seven twenty eight years old He's been schoolteacher. He's used his brain to formulate things and sorta things is so he knows he's got bought his body Audie wise these things to do there There's psychologically always get better there but he's a great look is is a good good talker Walker. In his cowboy shit line was proved by Turner. Gone I knew he was going to say it. And it didn't move me one way or the other but the crowd liked it so then. I knew t-shirt for arresting tease which by the way is doing what needs to for a lot of people and he had a cowboy macelroy shit shirt so point being is that he's got a bright future people going to say is I I got I said Eddie. I said that Young Eddie Guerrero amount of me a semi the Vara insert little body body tides. Emotions cares himself. You know the Latino young good looking can kid thing and feel got my ass for it so I guess you're not a I don't know the ability to give in any longer but I can't hear because this Conrad my show I think Eddie Guerrero and and and this kid semi-good bar has some sooner traits. That's all infants. Only inferior so be also thought that the syndicate amount of Nick Diaz Nate Diaz. Yeah well either one of well. Yeah Nate Nick Nick Innate. Allow those guys are. He got shut down to fight. That fight was a bad move as bad for broadcast in New York State Athletic Commission flex their muscles. It was a nasty ass cut blessing worse and he had one more round to go right over to to Morales the best office. Conrad another less. Let me ask you a question they are. Have you ever heard of Daniel Cormier. Of course I have the greatest enemy fighters of all time. What about Moskva Doll? 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God how good with that day in aid of you but these guys have. They've got something because it is common traits that reminded me of a predecessor. That was truly great. Let's let's take another question here about your hats. Let's comes from Michael He wants to know. Is there a particular brand of worn through your career or do you switch it up back in the day. I bought this hats off the shelf right from it usually a Stetson or resist all then for Christmas one year. I got a Resist all one hundred x Hassard judge whether access they have on the band and the top of the mark I think is a hundred I think so. I got a black resist. All one hundred X at stone don't call and his then wife Deborah And then the next year or year after that I got another one so for a couple of years I wrote with those and then when I when John I moved Oklahoma I heard this place called shorties cowboy Harry shorties cowboy hat. Are- three. It's in the stockyards district Oklahoma City and they make hats so since I discovered those those guys I have them make my hats. And they're one hundred percent beaver little little jacked up a sweat band little bill quality cost you about a grand but thousand bucks and call when phone say who am. I need to get the hat they know I. I use three audits when he sided the nose of. It's about a four room hats black you know best you can buy but they last forever these these along with me. They'll probably on Ebay Sunday. Lucky as I say we they dad's Hazar worth so anyway. We'll see how that goes well. Yeah Oklahoma City shorties cowboy battery and they're one of the few Harry's they make they get the basic for and then they form into all all the stuff is it's amazing processed. All custom made the other interesting question here from the. He'll pop this about a sensitive talent a situation. He says who made the call have ladies enhance their upper gimmicks like sable China etc.. or You're part of the sensitive meetings. Please chat me up about about this society it was a wwe decision. The women are not stupid they they knew what we were selling at that time in the in their for their for their gender. Let's let's keep it moving here. Let's talk about Christmas question because this is a good one one. If you go back in time to nineteen ninety-seven and reverse Montreal were bred stays. But Sean leaves. Would you do it. Why or why not want? I my philosophies cone straightforward here and it's kind of what you tell some Tallus Alice if if if if you have an issue then I got an issue because I'm representing you and I want you to be happy and productive but if I can't solve your problem then we have no other alternative. If you collectively we cannot solve your problem. The only alternative we have is to eliminate it so if a talent doesn't want to be there at the talent wants to leave. Give your team your talents going to be a negative influence in the locker room. Then I go figure it out figure out a play an exit strategy that that doesn't sting as much but don't let it linger and off. You go so I I would. I would have had an issue either one either way. Hey they're both great stars. They both you know had amazing careers there. They both had had a lot left in a tank as we thought but guess injury issues. You can't go wrong. You Got Shawn Michaels Bret Hart on your team but the one that wanted to leash him and allowed to leave. I you know. I don't know how anybody could really argue that but it is sort of find To fantasy book look all of that. Sure whether I think about that stuff too time time. What if you know? What is the fantasy thing well? Let's fantasy book something else. Corey wants lost the now should he w bring in Bischoff and if so under what role there again you know. I haven't talked to Eric since he left. WWe He I don't know that he's had his fill of Daily or regular wrestling. Or you know where he's doing something on a regular basis I I know he's got his podcast The does you and eighty three weeks very successful. There's very well. And we're happy to say that for Eric and I don't know what is what is long term. Goals are what he wanted to be involved in a W is at so enjoy reduced of doing it or it's just into the payday type deal. He's got a lot to offer. There's no doubt about that. But you know he manager or have some sort of authority figure type deal or somebody's agent or something along those lines. He's not going to be you eliminate certain roles for him because this is a skill set and his age. He's not going to be your top. He'll he's not taking Jericho spot so some of their some of their more verbal role. But who knows you have to ask you what is interested in doing so. Maybe somebody talks about Monday's fascinating question here. Curious on your take David Watson I will earl governor ever make it to the wwe hall of fame. We'll certainly earl should be on the wwe hall of fame But I say I I used to say oh no you'll never make it the culture. There's so much in that I thought over the years ears that the Hall of fame was could have should have more meaning. I've always thought that the hall of fame officious Invest Longtime that the wwe hall of fame should have a line of merchandise. It should have gear and have opportunities for the hall of Famers to go out and make extra extra money has of course you'd have the you'd have a logo for the hall of fame and that would be something that would be a shared revenue. Share royalty I know the highest trust has had lunch today with Steve Owen. So when the high sixty nine here normally federal union We're talking about their line of merchandise. How well it does? And it's not even promoted that much just a real good quality sports tire the highest one brand so So anyway that's what I would say the hall of fame. I think it's been kind of it's like it's always a special thing guys by Friday. There should be more thought into it and all that actually that change a little bit for them in the hall of fame you know. I've I've prided take Friday and I still take pride in it So but I don't know I pol phase says for me to talk about. I love of a civilian. But I don't know I don't know for the political landscape would be to count that because here's the deal earls biggest claim to fame whether we like it or not. And he's a Helluva guy. A good friend is a Montreal strata. So somehow well that's that's the origin so his becoming famous and that's not going to talk about the same analogy. I will give you by saying the KRISTOF involved. How should never go in the hall of fame? Because it's all going to be about him. Killing his wife is a little boy and committing suicide. All al-Sirri dug up you relive that again. You know the story GonNa have the reporters go into other people or are twenty years later. Whatever it be I I don't I don't I don't think so? I don't need to relive any of that so that's GonNa look at that. Conrad it's just. It's a earl should be great for him. I don't think I ever happened quite frankly Tim Wriggle Watson was everyone hate Terry Taylor. Everybody hates Terry Taylor. He's got a Terry's Uh can't have carried terry is a Can be a wise ass in can be You know Kinda sharp-tongued I think a lot of personalities I think sometimes it's a defense mechanism for him to distract you know but you know deteriorate most of his harmless but interesting business you know at the gossip and the Innuendo dirt and all this other stuff. Uh is such a vital part of the underbelly of what many of us spend our lives in and sometimes when you walk the Shit again help on on your shoes. That's fair to say Scott. Ingram was to now. You may have covered this before but what was what. The undertaker being called booger red during his American American bad ass ruined well. That was my nickname. Scott discussed history for in in Texas College Football Lore. Texas had linebacker Middle Linebacker. Tommy nobis US IN OB. I s the also plays the first draft. Pick of lanna falcons. Tommy had red hair had a size twenty neck and they called him Boettger. Red booger red was because he had red hair as did the undertaker by the by and booger for is a word. You look it up. It's like a off shoot up a Goblin or Goule or a a you you know a manifestation of some spirit evil spirit. So that's why Tom you know. I got the name Booker. Read so here I see the I think it was. During the undertaker's there's a million on that America bad s era and I called him Burger read and it causes an in an uproar backstage. I don't think mark gave a damn nobody else. What's it mean? We don't know what it means. You know you guys are you. You actually listened to my commentary. I'll be damn stupid so I quit. Houston they got too much backlash internally because they didn't create it and all the big a lot of those big nicknames Texas rattlesnake the cerebral assassin. All those things for my my my star so anyway didn't go anywhere. Didn't I was in the wrong side of the aisle. Conrad you know what I'm saying saying Francis Ray has wants to know what's the worst hotel tell you ever stayed out. Oh Jeez there's one when I say that the jury in J. U. R. Y.. I N. I can't remember what town I was in the Manchester Union. Oh God maybe Manchester or I don't know Somewhere on one of those when I was doing the the kyun ice state shows low doing those when I can but we were one to her and we stayed the jury in. I saw more. Call Girls Pants in that place. At least that's my suspicion. Associate this the way I saw what I perceived to be more letters of the night and I'm getting my my room. I said it on the end of my bed and reach change channels on television so small it was so it was. It's like a my bed was like the bottom of a bunk bed. It was horrible horrible. Small depressing couldn't wait till the train the next day then mayor off better. Yeah jury in one of the most memorable that I thought was a little A Little Hotel type thing. Last one ream stir wants to know. If you could say any one thing to Jim heard what are they how you doing. Hey feelings old I I just. Can't I feel bad for some fans that think it's important to carry this negative shit forward. I love wrestling housing fans. I'm still die hard to my bone marrow wrestling fan and I was like that for much of my Phantom and my years. Here's is fan until I realize that's a stupid. Why worry about something that was perceived to be whatever it was I didn't it was hard? It was not a positive guy no product knowledge. He tried hard. He had the right ideas for having a work ethic he wanted to be involved. Talk bad ideas was also checked anyway but none of them worked he WANNA make changes. He was not prepared to make for change's sake sake which I say all along in wrestling change for change's sake is bullshit. What's the reason for change? How's it going to you? Better US at further us down the road or is it. Just change for change's sake while we do something different. We'll give me a plan. Figure it out so nature so I would say you know I also think about that guy. How he's doing is unhealthy life? Things realize too so. I don't haven't driven animosity form and connor you now. We're GONNA talk about our t-shirt business. Yeah listen to save that for the end because you got a little bit of criticism if you're out of the loop. We're talking about go to Jim. RAW SHIRTS DOT com. That's Jim Ross. SHIRTS DOT com. We've loaded a lot of new fund shirts up there There was a Felicia. Sheriff says I can't spell it what I know what it means Just I F. in Russell and always comes down to cash in creative thimble nuts. I'm the wrestling expert. You can kiss my dimpled Oklahoma ass us a really classy shirt with just the shape of the state of Oklahoma and Jim Rawson cursive. How about American Airlines? Get your luggage to the house. On Tom. Read it asks wrestling commentary. Reagan your case of the Red Ass. Every Thursday I like wrestling and wrestling likes me just in time for the holidays. The jolly bastard sort of ugly Christmas sweater style shirt but the three everybody is talking about right now GOES BACK A couple of weeks to our conversation for station where you addressed the comic con. That Seth Rollins took a question about Kenny Omega and he took a couple of shots about the minor leagues in the major did your leagues comparing AWS WBZ and you're famous quote from. That was maybe one day. You'll be his girlfriend. That's a shirt. And then last week we have two new shirts grill slayer with grill it down instead of Berga down instead of Seth Rican rollins. It's famously at the beginning of the year. We heard cody Rhodes referred to you as Jim. fucking Ross. We have a J. F. Shirt. That looks eerily similar to the Seth rollins shirt and man. There's a lot of people who didn't think that was humor. They thought that was painting bullshit. Let's say I. I was amazed by this. I mean to me. It's obvious it's a business opportunity. No more no less taking advantage Asia. What has the social media were created? Obviously we were originated it and we helped along without a doubt but the Social Shamir were picked it up and ran with it and took another places that we were not going. So there you go so it's a t-shirt viz op dirty selling on t shirts and look. Here's here's the thing folks i. It's I got not one. Ill thing thought about seth rollins. I hope that he does great right. I really do enjoy Washington for four. There are things I can really helping with. Is he a rasping in saying that we have heard but some of go telling the truth at some point in time and they're small things he could fix them even bigger and better than he is most psychological things of that nature but nonetheless I wish nothing but the success and everybody else had been a site. May this naked live and doing what they love. But at the Sherston sale guess what folks folkestone red. And we know we're going to do right. They're gone if they sell their up and we keep them if they don't sell their asses Outta here. Is that the hard. But during this holiday season they're interesting gift ideas so Jim Russia's dot com what we got a lot of WISCON- mentioned to. I'll take the heat on that. These these to seth rollins shirts those Ramadi as we came up with it at the W. show the other week said around shooting the Shit and catering and I said Oh man what about a grill slayer shirt and then from there. We're just freestyle woman. Cody calls you. Jim fucking Ross. He has a seth rollins shirt. We should do that guys. We're trying to have fun. We have mimicking the Austin three sixteen shirt and the N. W. O.. Shirt and Hulkamania shirt. Those have been so to parodied for for for decades in a weird way. He said no mosh like this. We're not shitting on south round. Seth rollins is one of the best wrestlers in the world and everyone listening to this knows it. So let's let's let's have a little fun with this. We hope that you guys have had fun with the Special Queue in a episode Konaga admission Last week I'll schedule go out to Southern California The folks great people at I don't empire toy store bringing me out for days. Investors Appearance In Ontario Areo. 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Guest: Tony Lorusso

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Guest: Tony Lorusso

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So what's what's been going on with you what's happening not too much Basically I you know pretty much after. You know my my racing career. I guess you'd call it ended up Getting a practice track in Connecticut and I was running that for a while and racing any se at the same time. That was Kinda after I was doing the national thing and supercross stuff. I kind of mellowed out. On that went back to New England race more local stuff and And then was run that tracking Connecticut that ended up closing down in two thousand seventeen but I ended up buying another track In two thousand fifteen. I believe it was in New Hampshire all. Nhmf motocross Did that and then When Connecticut closed down I ended up leasing. Another track at the other side of New Hampshire by the New England dragway. They had a motocross track on their property. and It was a good location. It's about an hour and a half from my place in New Hampshire. So it's the other side of the state but it's a it's a good location. It's Mars It's north of Boston. It's right on the east coast so a lot of riders around there and they've you know the dragway just They realize it's a lot of work to run a track. And they have their hands full with Ronin. The dragway and their motocross really wasn't their forte. So I came in and lease that and I had the equipment from Connecticut that I brought over there so doing that for the last couple of years as well it just running track. Yeah what have you learned about promoting and running tracks? That may be surprised you from when you were racing and you were focused on that and everything else like what has been what has been an eye opener for you. Oh it's just I mean. Just look at things completely different. I mean when I was you know what I was bracing. It was you know it was just you know focusing on this your race and you really didn't know what went on behind the scene. You know what I mean and what it took to put race on and and and it's tough like this new one any AC- race. It's like you trying to scramble around. 'cause WE HAVE ANY SE races at my track and You know you're scrambling around trying to pull together like twenty people for the weekend to you know to work you know or more. You know what I mean. So it's It's just trying to. It's tough trying to line up all the help and all the expenses that go into it when you start figuring trophies the insurance and and just trying to get everybody to to work together and and make the day run as smooth as possible. You know it's it's a bit of a project you know what I mean and you don't realize that when you're at the end of it just like. Oh why don't they do this different? What are they you know? Or whatever but You know they should pay the pros out more. Yeah Yeah exactly. Yeah do you still still ron? How much do you get on a bike? Yeah Yeah Yeah I mean I still ride quite a bit. I mean You know being that I have track. You'd think I'd ride more but not so much the case but We're open up. You know up in New Hampshire Open on weekends. Mainly we do open. Maybe a day during the week but Sorry about that. I'm actually outside Norway Tom. Yeah I try to get out weekends. It's my body's come up with Ryan with some friends and you know. I'M NOT POUNDED OUTLAW. Does really you know when. I'm up there. It's just kind of like a ride and what my buddies and stuff like that and and it's more of a fun thing now you know what I mean so but I am in Florida. You know I spent the last couple of winters in Florida for a few months out of the winter just Like girlfriend ended up buying a condo down near the cocoa beach area. And I've the last two years of come down here for like three or four months so actually do more writing down here than I do back home. Run a little bit of time and and I actually help a guy out This Guy Bernie. Who Has Boston Creek Motocross Park? He's up by Just south of Jacksonville. I kinda help them run as track on weekends. I'll do the grooming and stuff like that while I'm down here So I kinda buzzed back. You know buzz over my girls place for the week and you take a couple of places while I'm here and then up to there and help him out. So somehow I kind of ended up with that decade to really just so it's interesting to to hear and by the way Florida and New England motocross racers. Go Hand in hand. Good got all you guys all of you guys. Just go down to Florida. All the winner for so many years right. Oh yeah so one of the things that one of the things I talked again about and and he's more plugged in with the Amtra stuff than I ever am or anything like it seems like local racing is dying from when you and I grew up and we did it you know. And and now there's five amateur races and everybody stays at home and get ready for those and you don't WanNa come out and race and show your skills quote on before you need to or whatever like down in the same way. Do you find it going the same way that local racing people are scared of that. Now they don't WanNa do it and I I'm not sure what it is as far as You know I just know that you know back in the nineties or even even two thousand whatever. It seemed like there was a lot more people like following the NFC series Roy. As far you know they they would raise religiously every week. They were in the points and things like that and and it was You know I remember back in. The nineties raised as much as I could. Raise the supercross like in Michigan. I think I've driven back to south to race. The next day Ronn ten hours through the night and we would raise so much. You know But yeah I mean even like at the NFC level is does not that many guys chasing points. They'll hit whatever racist. They feel. They want to or whatever tracks they like. And it's definitely kind of you know chips there. It's deluded and I don't know if it's you know they say the four show so the more expensive or things like that or just things are more expensive but also I you not you know. I remember back back when we were doing a full time. It was There was a lot of contingency up. You know you know where where that's dropped off and the track can only afford to pay so much. I mean the thing. Is You getting less rider turnout? So there's less to give back on. It gets more expensive. So it's kind of a snowball effect the dealers on getting what they used to get. And then it trickles down to you know contingency and then it trickles down to the tracks not getting the rider turnouts and going in a bad direction. Hopefully hopefully you know the the economy was was picking up. And you know it's it's been picking up and stuff like that other than virus deal but Hopefully things start to get solid again. I mean I think the four strokes a pretty good I mean. I think they're really like reliable. They're almost cheaper to maintain. I don't WanNa say cheaper than two stroke but I mean they. You don't have to do top endless frequent and as long as you stay on top you maintenance say they think I wanNA say bulletproof pretty solid I used to be. I've long been beating that drum. Unless you're like a top guy that modifies the shit out of there to fifty. Four strokes are great. Change of filter the oil. You can run on my buddies at one hundred plus hours on Wisey Four. Th there are not time bombs. Everybody makes him out to be when you start adding compression. Now you've got a problem but who really needs that outside of you at your peak or one of your top elite guys like other than that. They're great right so yeah It's yeah it's interesting. You know who is doing well. It's the rotting facilities. These routing facilities are printing money from what I gather. Everyone's just hold up there doing fast laps and racing the Stop Watch Larusso. Nobody's actually racing each other anymore. So Yeah Yeah. That's that's pretty crazy. As far as I mean I just remember back in our days. We're you know we're qualifying through heat races and all that stuff. Now it's just put down the fast lap qualifying that way. So things have their do you. Do you still go to Southwick every year do you? Do you follow the pro stuff. Do you watch it on our view into it every week to watch it and Yeah so it's Yeah I watch it. Religiously and and Definitely fully into the sports still and and I still ride and I I race. Daytona wasn't a couple of weeks ago. The amateur the ricky calm cool yeah. Yeah racing that I ended up winning the forty in the forty five. I ended up beating grew in that one. Oh Nice Nice. He was pretty strong. He went good competitor. Outgrew he's solid man. He's just GonNa put ups due obviously southwick coming back on the schedule. That's Awesome K. J. is working at well. Nice to have it back in the original direction too. Don't you feel like I always? I always felt like the other direction. Never worked that well. Yeah Yeah no. I definitely think especially the start. I mean you know. The start seems to work really. Well go in the direction. It seems a little more fair. You can actually start from inside or outside and pull a good start You know so Yeah the traffic flows pretty pretty well this way and yeah just you know. Bring back memories of how it was. How many People WanNa talk to you about your nineteen ninety-six Moto all the time. How much how much does I should come up with you all the time. I come up a little bit. Yeah that was awesome people. You know it's you know it's one of those and then some people that I it's funny because I'm down here riding and stuff at some of these tracks and like man I've heard that name and and then they'll be like oh man I remember you. You know so funny how it Kinda pops up and and yeah. It was a good Modo. We you know. A couple of things went film. I found my way and And got a good start and it worked out pretty good and honestly you know the way I felt riding that race. It wasn't even the best of felt. You know man. I you know like I've had some local races where I feel like a really ripped and then that one was just. It was a good race for me but I I didn't feel like I was You know you know how some of those days you just. Everything's going on your your way. Feels like you're not going fast but you're going away I it wasn't quite that way for me but But it was still a great great finish great race. Yeah I was just telling some sound someone about that like in my small small riding career. Let's call it Canadian pro. I want one pro moto at a local level at a state level and I want one Moto. I still to this day. I felt like I was going super slow. Do you know what I am. I totally felt like I'm like I don't know how I'm winning this photo. I'm going so slow but I was pulling you guys. It's just weird but I know for I was there that day. It was a mechanic for the. Pj One team. And Y- I believe. Did you run second for most of the Moto if I remember correctly? Yeah I mean I was I let it for. I let it for a little while before lot. Five left whatever it was and then Lampton ended up getting me. Then as their luck ended up you know he came from A. I thought he wrote a maze. I think if I remember right but yeah I thought you ran second for ever and then late late got got third but great moto now. It's awesome yeah I was full. Yeah it was just I mean it I mean the whole thing is just so much the whole shots. Just get up there at the beginning. It's you know it's it's makes it so much easier but yeah it was. It was awesome. I've had some some decent Roger Southwick and You know so What yeah what happened? A second mode. I don't remember Second Moto. I went down in the first foreigner. I ended up fourteenth. Yeah I went down. The first term obviously wrote Zukis for a long time now growing up in New England. Like how'd you get involved in racing? How'd you get started writing like so? Your first result in the vault is ninety five. So I'm guessing the mid eighties or something you started. You started writing. Yeah Yeah I mean it was probably I started riding. Probably when I was five in the late seventies and then and then And then started racing. When I was ten I think it was nineteen. Eighty two thousand nine hundred eighty. I started racing. Some short-track and t t some oval really cool. Yeah Yeah and In New Hampshire loud and and then the motorcross went on like across the way like man. I gotta try that out because that's kind of what I was into the more and motocross stuff so When I think when I was like nineteen eighty two. I started racing motocross and then And then I believe nineteen Nineteen Ninety turned expert. And I think that's what I raised my first Self with national had just turned expert lines eighteen and and Ninety nineteen. Yeah I think I went like I think somehow I got a good start and and I don't know I think I ended up like Kansas in one. Motor like a ten twenty two. Maybe or something like that and I think he got like knock national ninety five or something the next year but I don't know if it was it was a good start. I think who raised back then. Guy Cooper and We gotta fix directs volt. Then because it doesn't have you in it I gotta go back in nine okay. I'm pretty sure. Nineteen Ninety was my was my first first time run and then then it was just minimal stuff mainly new England stuff and then probably ninety four ninety five or something. I started getting more more into it. So speaking of a guy you know putting it to the national guys where you re at the wicket when Barton ran second forever or was he. Winning Barn was actually. That was that was before I turned expert. Yeah I was only sixteen then I believe so. Yeah he I watched that Moto. Kinda women saying and then Ended up having that little. Get off I was like Oh man I think he had done the lead and actually had a cushion. You don't really want him. I think he actually from what I remember. I'm going by memory. It was a long time ago but I think he actually. I think it was Eric Keogh George Holland with guys back then Like this is Yuki guys and I think he was actually leading up until like twenty minutes and then I think he went down or something but pretty wild Toronto cool to see the local guys come in not when you were in fact you mechanic like I was like you guys would beat us but yeah but it was always cool to see the fans and you know like I miss those days where the fans were right behind the starting line just yelling and screaming and banging on Ricky and bagging on Jeremy and cheering on John and Henry. Just you know sure why Obama because like we said back then was really strong strong organization. I think like man. I have to say like the top ten experts in any se or even more like probably seven of them had national numbers. Treadwell Barton doubt. It was a whole race each other on a weekend off weekend. Yeah just name. Yeah. Here's a special time wasn't it? It was a special time Moto. Yeah Yeah it was. I had so many good races with with Dow Henry Barton all them guys. We did a lot of battling and we've had such good racing together. You're a little bit behind Barton and doughty. Are you like heath or Keith? A little older. Like where do you fit in with these guys? Barnes a little older. Yeah Yep Barnes like I think like seven years older than me and I think he's the same age as dowd. I'm Steve Ray around that I'm I'm forty seven and they probably like fifty three or four. Okay so you're you're you're the pop coming up to those guys a little bit. Yeah Yeah Yeah and then Keith. I believe he's a year or two older than me. He's forty nine or probably he probably forty nine or something like that Sudan Keith. A lot growing up a little ahead of you He was a little a little bit ahead because He started on big bikes when he was You know I kinda road my eighty career out like right till I was like sixty 'cause I was always really small and keep with. He was on big probably when he was fourteen or something. So we need cross paths too much until a little later on and then when I was doing any kind of in the national and and then obviously once I do nationals than we. We started racing winter series together Raise some local stuff together and things like that. So did you. Eventually you grow up as friends with any of these guys like dowdy or Henry Cagey like were you friends off the track with these dudes or were you just kind of. I don't know where you're from exactly or how it worked out. Yeah I mean it was Obviously we're pretty good friends that we traveled together and stuff like Chartwell and I we you know. We traveled to some of the racist together. And then You no doubt you know. He wasn't too far from me Especially when I moved to Connecticut so we'd go practice together. Henry we cross paths and and do some writing together usually Henry. Maybe he hooked up without and then nine end up going wrong with those guys are so yeah we all kind of did some riding here and there together Didn't hang out every week together but definitely cross paths and did some writing together and and then race. It on weekends was was doubt success. Maybe the most is one of the Mo- more amazing stories and Moto. I mean he didn't start racing till he was sixteen or something right Yeah Amazing Story. Yeah Yeah it was. It's pretty wild. It's you know. Because he started you know a little bit later than everybody else and stuff like that but and It was just amazing. Like you know how we kind of you know. When he got into the national he he was really strong strong. Where either you never. You never faded was very strong to the last lap and and Really just You know he elevated his game. It seemed like you know like There's been some local races where me and him would battle and and this time where I beat them straight up. Whatever it was and I'm like man but every time I did that it was it felt like I felt like I work. You know what I mean like gave no in like holy crap beat them but I got my tongue hanging out on my name. He didn't let me go to last. Frigging corner you know. Whenever I whenever I got him it was it was. Well thought you know what I mean. Man But but definitely tough competitor in it. It's amazing what he did when he when he did go the national. Like wow look at a man. You know what's funny is funny because why can't work. I'm a little bit. He's a great guy and why can't worked with them? Why can't were arena across like color guy right for one year on TV and okay mic? Why can't like dude? I would try to grill junkyard on his career and junkyards just like I don't know man I just. I didn't have a trainer. I Dunno I just went for bicycle. Rides I just wrote a lot. Yeah I don't know like they're like John. John had no idea other than balls off. He was success like he didn't. He didn't he didn't know about his technique. He didn't know about it raining schedule. He just just figured it all out. Somehow you know. That's what's crazy because you know it's funny because I would look at him and be like man. He's you know he's not doing anything. Flashy run down Business Kinda guy on the track and and then you watching these other guys that that you're like man this. How is this guy you know like Wyndham or something? Yeah for smooth real technical and you like and then down feet now and you're just like wow. I wouldn't have thought that you know what I mean. He's he's strong and he just elevated game when he needs to and it's crazy you know get it done kind of like a Jeff Stanton. I guess you know down a business kind of like grind it out right. So we're at your at your peak so ninety six you get third at a national. Emoto your sixth overall in ninety eight supercross you know some good results. Are you always like making your money in New England? Are you always do getting free? Bikes and parts from Suzuki. Are you do you have to stay in New England? Did you ever actually said? Hey I'm doing the full full deal. I'm not even GONNA race locally at all or was it always a case of you had to do that to make money. Yeah it kind of seemed like I always had to try to hit race in the try to make it make a little bit. Extra make ends meet you know. There's the National Zoo. Just the level I was at it was yeah some weeks if I got fifth in a super cross say everything was good. You made a couple of thousand whatever it was but then you know the next week I if something went wrong and you didn't qualify or something happened and you're just like well there goes out you know like you. Kinda like way out your Your pay you know what I mean so we felt like I had to kind of go to New England to like any weeks off. I had to go there because it was It was kind of consistent money you know bad day knowing that I'm finishing third. You know technically I could be winning. You know what I mean. So it kind of made ends meet and stuff like that and and I don't know if the extra gate drops were good or or not. I always thought expiration was always always good as long as you didn't get burnt out from it. Yeah I think I talked to Keith for one of these Keith Tread I WANNA say. They told me they raised. Forty eight weekends or something. I don't know who it was but it was some frigging crazy amount in a year. Yeah Yeah I mean the NFC goes you know it was going for like thirty two weeks and then and then obviously you start throwing in like the winter series. You know what I mean like a six race went to series and then we had some supercross is going on. Well we based out of Florida. We buzz up to indy. We'd go over Atlanta or we'd go to Camp Orlando so so yeah I mean it wasn't there wasn't much time off and we did. We did definitely Get our time and and what do you remember about that season? You Go sixth overall in one twenty. Five supercross ninety. What do you remember about that It was it was pretty good. I think You know so I I believe. I started racing the series for Ohio and then we had some issues there and then primal impulse. This is Yuki team kind of picked up like an addition okay. I don't remember that young. Yeah so rainer was on there. I think Hoffman Ryan Kaufman was on their Jerry. Docile Bogarde Charlie Bogart. So all those guys so I I went on there and I was just kind of an addition so I got to use some of their stuff as far as rain His old man was doing our motors. I know there was a couple of guys so that was kind of a care team. I think Rainer Hoffmann with a factory Suzuki stuff where they got the factory Suzuki. You know suspension and hubs and all that stuff and then it was kind of the second tier von where we KINDA got rained motors. And and we had some access to some stuff that they had and And things like that but It was it was a pretty good season and I was just Kinda bummed because like I felt like that that could have been a year where I kinda get my foot in the door and I felt like maybe that could have been a year. That outdoor went well because the last year outdoors was number thirty seven and I pretty good outdoor year and I was thirty one that year ninety eight I was like. Oh moving forward biggest headway and then that first round First Round at Glen Helen. I think What happened was Out in the heat race somebody crashed. I clipped him and didn't realize it so I didn't end up qualifying through the heat so I went onto the last chance because I click. Somebody went down and Going into the last chance right when I was on the line My radiator started pissing out any free. So if obviously broke my radiator when I caught the downright so then I didn't make it into that one Because the bike sees In the last chance qualifier And then Going into hang town. We're practicing at Glen Helen and It was just an open practice. We're doing some suspension testing and then ended up coming on jump and it just being an open practice. You have so many Rider levels there. Somebody was sitting on the landing of of one of these jumps. We attend the drift coming out of corner and I was in the air and a guy just sitting there talking those party and he's on the corner of the track like the edge of the track but still on shit so I'm in the air trying to pull the bike back and when I landed. I crush my foot between the two bites. I didn't crash but I broke three bones in my foot and it kind of put me out for the whole season. I'm like Oh man I was hoping to get someone in there but it is what it is but Yeah so it was. I mean it started out to be a pretty pretty good season And then obviously the the outdoor stuff kinda got jacked up a little bit especially like for you like most people think of us a moto guy and six overall supercross series is pretty darn impressive. You know it's pretty good. Yeah Yeah Yeah you start. I mean started getting into the flow of it. I think you know bike. Set-up seem to be really At least what. My supercross stuff. It seemed like my bike. Set-up was pretty important you know what I mean suspension wise and and trying to get that right. I felt like if I got that right I felt comfortable but otherwise you know if you stuff was a little too soft and it would geo and give you a kick. It was hard to build confidence that way. You know what I mean. It's too stiff. And it's it's dancing through the wolf's doesn't want to track right. It's hard to build confidence through the roof so it was kind of and I don't know if it's because I was smaller. I probably a hundred and thirty pounds so I probably wasn't manhandled on it as well as maybe some of the bigger guys but yeah the primal fit the primal team. Did you meet that Kirk Lova Sky? Did you ever meet Him I don't know if I met him. Just one of those guys that had a team for a few years and I heard some eccentric as about him you know but never came and went but the bikes looked good. Always pingree loved his Robbie Road. Really well for them. So Oh yeah kind of that way. And didn't you at some point and again? Maybe I'M WRONG. Should done my research. Didn't you break your leg really badly at some point ankle anything? Okay just just my foot. I mean a broken ankle and a leg before but Probably not during those years. I thought I thought I remember something about that. Would knock you out for a while so at your peak. Ntsc Tony Laruso are you. How many bikes again from Suzuki? Or you're getting double teensy. Are you getting gear money? That kind of stuff like are you doing a good job of pulling it in like because again it was such a strong series it really from talking to guys over the years. I mean people made some serious money racing. Yeah I made. It was pretty good. It wasn't anything too crazy. I mean I dealt with local dealership and back then. It was fat imports court date. Bank court Who was great support and a lot of us and and I mean at that point. I think I was getting like. I don't know if it was four or five bikes or whatever it was. You know I'm to get me go through the season and and I had some parts and things like that so it was just really low expense for me to raise everything pretty local and and then You know the contingency and then I was supposed to get paid from the dealership like you know bonuses for championships and stuff like that and we did that for a little bit but then I I started winning many. I can't do both. I'm like fine man. The bikes are fine So yeah I went on like kind of a and that was probably when I stopped doing national so IQ thousand one. I think it was when I got back to naked star. Two thousand one to two thousand five. I believe I wanna like all all the championship. A lot of championship. Sound like twenty of those expert once like four year so it was like a little and and that was at some point wh what. Kgan Treadwell. We're doing. The Loretta Thing Dowdy in Henry. We're doing the pro thing so you just. You just walked up on everybody. Who so you yeah. I felt pretty good. Everything was going good and then Key Caja. He would he come back once in a while he'd do some local radio you and then there were some years where he did some local stuff and I was doing national. I think probably enrollment. Not you know maybe late nineties. He was doing some local stuff. When help was winning championships. And then I was doing national and we kind of crisscross back and forth some of us. You know what I mean and I'm guessing and I'm guessing Robbie Marsha was after you a little bit like you probably race them a little bit but he became the new guy right after you or am I getting out. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. That was a few those few younger guys that will pretty good Robbie Marshall Jimmy Dakota's race with those guys so it's you know and then Jake Morrison. He was also pretty good. Then support your your Pat Barton and Jimmy. D is Tony Larussa. Say thing right. Yeah it's crazy and it's like it's not because like you know once in a while like I'll still race You know if any he comes to my place I'll still go out race the pro class or whatever on it right. It's just funny that I'm racing against like well. I'm racing against some of the older guys that that'll still do it like doughty and whenever but then I'm so then. I'm racing against their kids like band. This is Weird Ryan. Some kids go ahead saying some of these kids. I did lessons with when they were on like a fifty or sixty racing with them. It just seems so odd. Like Ryan Ryan's and eleven in Canada Canadian promoter on John's like sixteen th last year. Whatever you're just like what the hell is going on here right fly racing flat racing dot com racer x podcast with Tony Laruso. Please check out the latest and greatest from the folks that fly and they got the new twenty twenty and a half kinetic mesh out as well thanks to Max Tires. Aj Campaigns Alex. Rae using the access tease out there. Also thanks rental. The Fat Bar. Thirty six is available. Rocks was winning super causes with fat bar. Thirty six and I imagine whenever the hell we get back racing. He'll be continuing to run that Bar Rent. Dot Com and race tech assault. Well Race Tech Dot com pulp. Twenty is the code to save the race tech big parts of the chaperone. Honda team there folks that race. Tech's Tony Laruso on the show. Yeah Tony it's amazing. The career the raiders. You've had in the guys you've raised against for sure when you brought up. Bettencourt are sort of thinking about Joe Joe. Of course. What's what's your Joe Joe Story. Everyone's got oh man. What's what's your Joe. Start odd you don't. It was a little before my time but I know definitely I mean. The Guy has a lot of talent and They were I mean just when I was a kid. It was amazing to watch. You know he could ride a one twenty five at the size he was. You know Which you know. And I just think like as far as him like the rougher and gnarly or the track was the better he was like like unit. Adila was his place. Okay Bony Shale and you're just like man he's GonNa do good today. 'cause it's like that Guy. I don't I don't know if it was talent. You know the the amount of talent he had or you know the size of you know how was it just as white control or whatever it was and he was just I heard stories about him being the Huili for five miles. I heard stories about able to ride on a railroad track without falling off so many Joe Joe Urban urban legends stories. It's amazing it's amazing. The guy definitely talented. I paint a picture. Him like wheeling on a bicycle carrying Jimmy and his arm and he always said that Bettencourt Jersey on even when he was like racing. The national stuff always had the right care. Good he was you know he would have been really young but he was crushing it in the mid eighties. You doing a great job so All right so if we had a mythical race at Southwick with everybody in their prime larusso everybody Joe Joe Doughty Henry Barton Caja. Everybody Tread Yeah. What's your top three just all time. My top pre. Oh man so from there. If you want you can put your. You can't all right but we got it. I got to say that one twenty five or two fifty if it's one twenty five. I put myself in their smoking. Do both what are we? What are we saw one twenty five to? I would have to say I'd have to say I could be in the top three in one twenty five and I think I think out and Henry or I mean it's hard to count them out. They're both one twenty five great. You know what I mean. So I'd say that that's the mix I I'd say you know I'd like to think I could be in that though with those guys and the one twenty five class I was a little smaller and lighter and things like that little more my specialty I would say it was to fifty man. I'd say Dowd Henry and maybe K. J. J. J. Maybe he could be in for those guys run You know. it's hard. It's so hard because we had different eras. You know what I mean. Like bar was really strong in the early nineties leading early. Ninety one I I turned expert. I I didn't have anything for first. And then I did but doubt is always especially southwest out specialist hard. You know. It's really hard to even the one twenty five. I thought I could you know. Ibm It's you know. Sometimes see me more than I beat him but There's been some really good races. I beat him and Henry but Like I really doubt and Henry full factory guys and you can beat them once in a while. Yeah local stuff you know what I mean and but again you know the thing is the local stuff also is The track does develop a lot different than it does nationalized line. You know so Sometimes you race that local stuff so much that you get so dialed into how the track forums and what kind of line form that. You ride it really well. And then you get to the national approach off a little bit but Okay so what was your favorite tractor race outside of Southwark like what's another famous. Nasa check that you loved. Oh NFC south. You know what it all depended on the day. I think I've had a really good day that a lot of places. Central Village is a kind of mal track in Connecticut and it was kind of jumpy and tight and I've had some good runs there and had some fun there All the tracks I it all depends. I mean certain days I mean even national stuff like. Sometimes you have those days where the track is prep. Good it's awesome rods and the you know the dirk consistency is good like red. Bud always had good routes good material You know so. It's hard for me to pinpoint You know I think it's a lot of its conditions and the day you know 'cause there's a lot of good tracks up there but sometimes you get those days where the conditions are just right and and you're just feeling it. You know what I mean like things are looking and back. Then you're bitching about the track and now you're now you're like listen. This is what happens. Why the track isn't that good and you know all the reasons why right right right yes sir you're Comey Comey Slack. Water truck broke This this thing broke blah blah blah. Like Oh Yeah L. listed on everything so yeah yeah. He didn't have a sweet box fan. I remember. He'll a lot of good stuff and he was like he always put on a good show all his bikes were always decked out and you know it was like it was crazy and then his gear was always awesome. He had like probably you know ten painted helmets. He could choose from every year. I can't play everything was Yeah everything looks I remember. He had jt gear and Suzuki's a really. Maybe a Suzuki box found like from the factory guys. He might have thought he might have bought or borrowed or I don't know got given to him probably got given to them. Knowing that it was a sweet it was sweet set up. You're like Oh look so. What was your favorite supercross? She ever did. Was there one that stands out for you. I mean I think I might have got a ninety six and Andy was You know that was. That was pretty good. I got a good start. I think Sean was in there that on her. I forgot who was. I think it was cheek. Degan some of those guys were there. But I think those are the guys but Had A good run. There had a pretty good run in Charlotte That was kind of a different one short. Somebody Right Yeah. I remember that I was there. Yeah jeeze he'll I don't know I don't know if you know I mean it was. It's tough you know. I've had a lot of a lot of fun times. You know what I mean with. The super crosses nothing. I mean I guess results stand out a little bit more than the others. Where did you practice for? Soupy how did you see? That was the tough part I. We didn't really have much practice. Practice like in rhetoric you know like basically it was a little. There was a little Super Cross track on the infield of the motocross track which wasn't even really a supercross track but it was a little something to test a little suspension stuff like that. I did make it over to Brian Swings. Couple Times Because he had a kind of a supercross layout Not Too far from there. You know what I mean. I went to swing wants to like dodge trees and stuff like branch. Yeah Yeah I know. That's like the outdoor track. You're jumping between between you know. And he was like yeah. You just jumped out thing hang left though because of that branch duck down and then Raila turn or go around that you're like Oh my God yeah I remember that. Yeah yes that was one dude. That was really. He was talented for sure. Oh a good yeah. Also I just talked to g new Mac the other day and he gave me some great swing stories and stuff to also. It was great. Gene was yeah. He was pretty tight with swing title. Ready to track and Florida. You remember Jason Frenette. Remember my buddy for net from Canada. We I stayed there with Frenette for like a month and we and we commute back and forth from the supercross track to the supercross back and forth and like Indian Atlanta. All the stuff that you talked about and God for not just every single day. He said that the thing dialed right. That's what's so crazy now. It's like you know I mean it's definitely the sports but I mean you got all these training facilities and you've got a lot more access to supercross tracks and you know it's obviously elevated the Super Cross. You know I think the the level of the guys as well just because they have that stuff to practice and through To train on back then. It was a little tougher nineties. We didn't we didn't have quite the trainers and like you said you talked to doughty and there was a lot of stuff that was questioned you know questionable like what was good training back something that you know what I mean. You just didn't. You didn't have all the stuff figured out like like they do now. Shrugging his shoulders. Tell me why got. I don't know why I was fast. I don't know yeah no idea. Yeah I I can't help but think like the number of you guys and look you're all good in the sand because of Southwick and growing up in paterson we one time I went with doughty to this place behind a grocery store like sand pit behind grocery store or something so so you guys all road that but you were also very fast outside of the sand and I can't help but think it was because of you guys racing each other every single frigging weekend you know what I mean like Alpha. Sure we there was so much there. Was you know they could have been eight of us? That could've want emoto you know it was just. That was the thing to and what helped me? I mean I don't know about some others but I you know I think it was ninety. Four Ninety five started coming to Florida and race in the winter series and and then I started getting introduced to like hard pack. You know like play and you know Ryan Hard Rock. You can't get any more hard pack and So then I started to pick up the heart. Paks stuff you know. 'cause I always even know we had a little bit harder stuff in New England. Everything kind of burned up and you'd use berms to pivot off of. We didn't have too much the ruts like we have you know doing national and The red clay stuff that sometimes you come across down here so that helped me out a lot with those those winter series and and and you look a little bit too like so nowadays not quite as strong obviously robby robby was pretty good and Jimmy Dis hanging down there and everything and you know there are some good guys but it's not like it used to be and it's probably because they're not racing each other every single weekend like you guys. Did you know when I look at the strength of a state or a region? That's what I look at to me. That's why you guys are so good. I think I don't know yeah. Elevate your level when you push in each other every week you know what I mean. It gives you that drive to go out during the week and work harder and try to do better the next week if you didn't you know and you know so it's I definitely think that that's a big thing. I mean we've got some decent writers In New England now but they're they're kind of spread out. You know what I mean. They're not racing each other every week. They they may come together. You know once once a month or something they may already together but it just kind of spread out where you know. I do think if it was weekly that it would elevate two guys that maybe you know second or third might try to elevate them to start giving the leader a run or whatever it might be you know. Yeah you mentioned being a smaller guy and you are smaller guy in one thousand five. You better did you. Did you have much success onto. I mean locally. You said you went. Kyle's and all that but did you did. Did you do find it or did you do. Did you find a tougher bike to handle? Yeah Yeah I mean the thing is I always just felt like my two fifty two strokes no matter which one I wrote. I never handled like a one twenty five. You know what I mean. And characteristic of the bike you know what I mean. Bills like the front ends a kind of light and floating the you know it was hard to get them to feel plush the the front ends and then the back end you know with the power. They just didn't want to hook up as much. They would dance around some more so I always felt like you know I did well locally on them. I didn't really I didn't really go to the nationals with them. I always felt fast twenty five. So that's what I stuck with but You know I mean there was times when local stuff fairly you know fairly easy on it and then then you get down to you to come there southwick and you're like Oh shit. I didn't have nothing for them on the two fifty. Oh man you know you get things rolling and then he comes in and it's like Oh man. I knew I wasn't naked on this thing. But Hey did you even survive that the ad that terrible knx RMC to fifty thing? Oh Yeah Yeah that thing Yeah that thing is broken down a couple of times. That wasn't the most reliable Introduction to the four-stroke that's for sure. Yeah Yeah we we survived. That and I know that time I was debating if I should've stayed on at one twenty five another year to move you got one year on a Honda in the in. The results actually got a couple of years on Yamaha early nineties but when you first started making it and ninety six she switched to a Honda which I don't remember but that's that was the Celtic model. I see the Celtic year. I could've swore you on US Zouqi. So because I remember so the Russo. You've got third on a motor on a Honda and you went back. Sukey I did. I know I gotTA deal with the Manchester Honda that year. Connecticut and an and I had dropped you for Bradshaw ninety-seven maybe that's what it was. Yeah now I am. I mean that Honda one twenty. I was pretty good If I was thinking Pearson's Nukita haunt I would say they were. They were pretty pretty damn close. I mean if I think the Honda was was better. I probably would've made may do what I had to do to stay with it. But I really think the Suzuki solid bike back then and I had some good help You know Steve Tasks and everyone that does you know the cages and stuff man. Hammond and I had a mechanic mark back then so I pretty much grow to you. Know Out of Steve Tasks motown era. They would take my bike every week. And they'd work on it and and you know so we had a really really good Suzuki's back then In the early nineties and stuff and then went to That hundred ninety six ninety seven. I think I just end up going back. This is key and go to deal with that Through the dealership and stuff and and And then I think I just went pro circuit went pro circuit motors. You know that that year because it was kind of phasing out a little bit because he was so busy with his four course. That's a great invention. Oh Yeah for sure we were pro. We're testing prototypes of that. Like your local years. We had like he was making them out of like just billet aluminum. He was caught in the blocks. And and then we're testing different Read read pedal materials and you know different carbon-fiber weeds and so he did a lot of a lot of testing on that stuff so they definitely work. I tell everybody a two-stroke put that thing on a two-stroke stroke you have that. That was a legit MoD random or Yamaha also random on every privateers I think ever worked on like they. They're really good so yeah. I mean there wasn't anything they didn't work on. It seemed like you know they follow response the need range that it gave it was like feel like a mmediately like you grab the next year without having a fall off the pipe. You know what I mean it you know it just. It made that much of a difference gave it more grunts and it. Didn't you know I actually emailed texted him to try to podcast with him? He never replied. I was like Oh really. Yeah so if you ever have you ever see him or talk to Him. Tell him down. I WanNa talk to because he worked for factories. You for a while as a mechanic and everything so yeah and then. He ended up doing all our bikes in the early nineties. He was doing my bike. Barton's bike treadwell's by like we own Zucchinis and he was the guy that did all our motor work and do this Everybody like me being Canadian like in the mid nineties everyone road Suzuki's because they pay community like like Vallon Courts. Swish rollerball switched and always Canadian. Guys are also Zukis. It was amazing. Yes credible show yeah. Yeah Hey what what about ziggy. Do you remember Ziggy? When he was a mechanic or coming up Larry Ward. I'm like eighty nine was around. Yeah Yeah I mean I you know. He was a little bit older than me so I think he he did some reason. You know back in the day like in the early days and I never. I don't know if I've ever raised with them. 'cause he was like a couple of years old of them using the eighty class. I might've been sixty class but I mean I know pretty well. He does some testing at my track and stuff. And you know with factory connection and I've had a long long relationship with those guys. I think they've been sponsoring since. Oh great around. Nineteen Ninety S thirty years. That right I know so. They've been really solid with those guys have been awesome but Yeah I think he's a great guy and Yeah I do remember doing some are yes factory onto stuff right. I'll reward your fan Larry. Back in the day. How many Suzuki parts you have in your garage. You have less than Berry Karston but you must have a law I I had somebody but it. It just keeps getting phased out. I'm actually writing Honda. Four fifties now. Yeah I was on Suzuki's until two thousand fourteen. That was the last year I wrote a Ma and I actually raced Loretta Lynch that year. You know I'll give it a shot and And then after that I ended up going with Honda's that's Sukey Kinda seem to Stay a little stagnant. I guess everybody else is making changes. And They Kinda. I agree it's It's brutal I got to pull this stuff back together. You know. Everybody wants to see him. They've had so much success over the years. You hope you can figure it out for sure. So but I'm I'm glad they went with four fifty just because like I told you I always had hard time on the two fifty two stroke like I was so happy to get on a four fifty because they felt like there's so much easier to run. Yeah I mean I just I just being smaller and stuff I mean I know four kind of contradictory but They just track. You know compared to a two fifty two stroke. They track so much. You know you don't track. Well they stick to the stick to the ground. I mean you know it's even though it's a heavier bike and stuff like that Like I said I always fought them to fifty two strokes. A little bit never never felt like I had any that really works among them. You Know My one twenty five did so it was a good change for me but But yeah well cool Tony. Thanks for the call man. Thanks for the walk down memory lane fantastic career one auto races locally and podium him at a national that's awesome Yeah Cool Yeah. Last time I was in front of the crowd was like couple couple of years ago. I raised the twenty five all star class fifth. They're my best but I ended up fine at one twenty five this year too so I may end up doing it again. The Southwick if they have we'll see what happens that'd be awesome right. I remember that Yeah. She remember that coming out we because we were betting on we bench racing about you guys and yeah. Somebody's all Larusso Dude on one twenty five. Yeah I know I let them down. I gotta I gotTa be more prepared this year buddy bike like two weeks before house didn't have too much time to get ready but But I don't know we'll see if I end up doing it. I'll give it what I got. Yeah absolutely well cool man. Yeah no thanks for the time. Fly Racing Racer X podcasters under by Maxim Rental Nice to catch up with you and I'm sure I'll see you at the races at some point Tony Thanks for the time today. And Good luck with the track and everything then really appreciate it. Thanks for calling. Thanks for listening to the fly. Racing Steve Mathis show and don't forget to check out some of our past shows including motorcross legends such as bad boy Johnson. Look down in my handlers. Jock I mean over to the side tenants were jerking and weird places and my biggest disappointment. Danny store because he never said sorry to Danny and I were France and we've never talked since I n luminous for the five hundred events Dave and I fly to Germany. Go DOWN THE STREET. 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EP51  Ryan Copeland from U Illinois-Springfield Talks Slow-Mo Cameras, Rapsodo, High-Tech Training, Command and Diversity in the Dugout

The Morning Brushback with Dan Blewett

1:19:31 hr | 6 months ago

EP51 Ryan Copeland from U Illinois-Springfield Talks Slow-Mo Cameras, Rapsodo, High-Tech Training, Command and Diversity in the Dugout

"There's a long. Are Welcome back. This is the morning brushback I'm your co host Dan Blewett, and joined he remotely by Bobby Stevens Bobby. How are you? I'm great. Great kind of a good episode and we're joined here by Great Gas Ryan Copeland head coach at University of Illinois Springfield Brian What's up man? Trying to trying to get through this. Yeah Ryan's a another repeat guests from a couple years back at least probably what two years now that and he was December of eighteen came to campus here in all. That's right. We did the impersonal. Very cool. Time set up with all the cameras, the student union at Yeah that was that was when I was just getting into like trying to figure out all this different stuff I think I lost. Footage from like one camera. But in general I thought it worked pretty well. But that's part of than people realize to get all those different views and I don't know. It was it was really good. It was enjoyable. Air For two hours well. Yeah. There's been multiple recruits in their parents like some of the office where meet in. The Hague coach. I. Want to mention that listen to podcasts at your on and You know you're gonna Dan Balloon. Yeah. Yeah I saw it on spotify into while we were driving. Okay I hope I didn't say anything. Stupid. Well, that was a really deep dive on on like pitch sequencing and lot of stuff. So that's been part of the overall plan with some of the podcasts with like guys like yourself search, engine, optimize it for your name and all that stuff. So it's almost almost certain that if anyone's trying to research your school, they'll find you and podcasts, which is I think is a benefit because, yeah, we talked about a lot of stuff in that in that episode. For those of you who don't know coach Copeland he was a Illinois State Division One player. You're drafted played a couple of years or a bunch of us in the minor leagues, and one of your big things is that you had impeccable control which I do want to talk about today and you're also coach Copeland is really great with technology and finding a blend of. All this stuff that everyone seems to bicker about on twitter people are always bickering about the city and there's like old school versus new school but especially if you listen to our conversation before. Ryan like you do a really good job of finding like the balance because you played like you were good and you know the balance of all the different things and you're not like too far in one camp, the other you're just trying to mix it all together. Is that a fair assessment that you've tried to be pretty balanced Yeah I mean I appreciate the kind words and I think I come from a background where you think you guys as well. When you're playing college falls, we didn't have all the stuff I mean like a band wasn't a thing I remember seeing the On, Amazon Spring Training of twenty eleven. I was like making fun of this kid named Boudwin what are you doing? All in. Crazy does that sound now? So I had a very very old who had coached my first couple years Illinois State Jim Brownie. Seventy five years old now and She tells you in World War One World War. Two Vietnam. He was tough really really tough and it was about getting guys out is about competing It was about being an overall really good pitcher. You know. So I think that kind of morph into the picture I became the person became eventually the coach but I kinda saw an opportunity It's at the tail end of my pro career when I got to work with Brett strong was part of the Astros and He kinda opened up my eyes to to a lot of things that are going on. Now you stand on the forefront with that time house and Very, very cool stuff. So when I got released the second coaching that was something I wanted to get into so. got into the cameras high speed cameras, purchase my own wraps it. Oh, back in two thousand sixteen. The the funny story about that is I was on the phone recruiting Eric Jaeger's Air Jaeger's drive on guidance design. Was Of course with the reds now and so of deciding on where to go to school, he was a gap year. So I give them a call was well, coach I'm interested. Do you have rap pseudo that was I had no clue stockton was. Oh. You know we're. We're we're working on getting it. You know slow pricey. But like you know, we'll have time to get here. Okay. Sounds great coach. We hang up the phone get off I, get what rhapsody was Like Hey, you know what? Like? Going to Iowa. So we are going to get him anyways but like if that was a kid that didn't have that offer rooms for like Iowa like we lose out on that kid because I was like I need to learn about this. So yeah, I think with your players it's about lending them together having a good balance and understanding that every single tool you have might not be for every pitcher in your program, every player in your program, and certainly we use some of those things more than others were certain guys and I hate a sell out mentality like news lose it like you have to be data driven throw hard tech guy, and you can't care about winning or or you gotta be the Ol- schools or this stuff doesn't work I see. I see bobby on their twitter with. I'm all over. I scrolled never like tweet I never time but I see it so. Yeah. Don't don't commenter. Yeah. You WanNa you don't want to turn. It's your reputation my job on my twitter. That's that's. That's the scroll past. That's where you gotTa have feel. About every college coach in America tries to do think some can't refrain. It's funny because I get a lot of messages on the side being like I love to say this tweet this to like, but I can't. So. That's Dan Dan like a yeah. I really agree with you I I'm not gonNA comment on It's not worth it. Now you can't you can't. That's you guys can in your possession you can't take a hard line stance one way or the other you can't really attack anybody. I can. Do well benefit. bobbies paid gun for hire. So if you need to read Illinois Twitter Send Twenty five dollars event. Stevens I'll do it for free if we gotta get. The message from for myself. Right. So speaking of, let's start. We're going to cover a couple of things they were talking about command a bit. We're GONNA talk about the black lives matter movement bit, which is which is home for you a little bit, and that's also talk about we're GonNa chat about some technology. So let's start with cameras because we were talking about this off camera. So you guys you said, you gotta Sony X ten like the mark four, which is the most recent version of that camera, and obviously the edge traffic is the one that gets so much. Press who like everyone. But you said you don't feel like that's the better camera. Is that right? Yeah and I guess I should preface it by saying I've never used a Solid I can't speak to that in fairness, but just looking at the video quality. And lack of color with the agitronics and I just think that the. Sonar extend four is night and day better aunt Joan's is quality and all that. So yeah I mean, again, I can't I can't speak to grab US editor China, but we love the the Sony it's unbelievable and. I would highly recommend anybody go get it if you're end up its design and. An. Inch overlay, but we use it for Amazon will use it for. Chemical. Now says swell not just for their interests but our. Interests as well. He has a really for those of you out there. I, just grab it off the shelf. This is the Sony are extend mark for and the mark four just like the fourth version of it like is like a ten year old camera they update every four years. They don't change the name of it, but has a super long Zia mental have a battery in it right now but it's it's easy like portable hand held. It's like the size of a DSL are. And it has a crazy zoom. So I've gotten footage from actually going to screen share. So people can see like what we're talking about I. think that's helpful. But this is an instagram video that I took on the Sony are extend from behind the plate from like thirty rose up at University of Maryland. and. This is I think four, hundred, eighty frames per second. And it's pretty incredible as you see the pitch common like you can see the spin orientation really really. Well, I. Mean it slows down because up to one thousand frames per second. That's a guy said four eighty. But I mean, it's pretty remarkable and you could get this view this close from over the Centerfield Wall. So when you're talking about. You know tech that's like accessible to college I. Guess the Eighteen Hundred Dollars Camera? I. Got Mine used for I think twelve hundred. But I mean what are some of the ways that you guys use it or how to use it the most? I would say the most common way we use it is for the pitch analysist it's designed down in the bullpen you know. So we're out there in the bullpen, the marine our guns up, we have our APPS pitching unit out, and we have the the camera setup you know behind the pitcher's. Throwing hand and zoom in on his hand and we'll find the right a right angle. We need to get to everyb- issues a little different you gotta get. Pretty good with that in some gotta get creative because of the height of the Pitcher, the different kinds of slot you gotta that's what's Cool I think about using it always experimenting with and trying new things and. Know, we get the bullpen, and if we know, we have a freshman that comes in and So. Many guys come in here. Young pitchers slow loopy ball most. Doesn't have true depth to it It's not gonNA be as famous finish and I guess kind a slider program like we kind of. The curve balls unless they're really good when they come in and kind of go to something, she'll more short tight. I will hybrid cutter slider thing. So we get in the bullpen we go through to get that testing data see where they're at initially right away. You'll know is tell you that too but like, Hey, let's take what we see with our eyes pair that up. It was Kinda show proof it. Was One of our pictures to show them that this isn't going to work. Here's why. So let's tried to do this, and then it'd be Kinda comes trial and in the bullpen and you throw a patch, you try new grip a different placement seed on high speed camera at thousand French per second. So when we finally find the one that looks really good, we have bad or feedback we utilize that one. In a game in of course, we still have our apps out there during an inner squad we kinda identify this is the one. These are the metrics this right this vertical horizontal break. This spin access, and then from there, we tried to repeat it as often as we can. You can't really do that objectively issue don't have high speed video. So yeah, you kind of pairing up with what we will fill with the objective video and the objective data with the camera on the rap. So unit and then from there it turns. You know what would be your your standard ten to fifteen twenty pits, bullpen an ominous. Miss. You know to something really really exciting for our guys and feel like you compost so much uncertain days because of this technology. So that's one way we use it, and of course, we use it for for mechanical analysis and It is so unbelievable how clear you can get that shot to be from you understand from the side of you force in game we can't have anything in the dugout but. We put a couple of pitchers on that I'll teach him how to use it in the fall so that when we get to the into the season whether homer away, we're getting high speed video of every single one of our church and Tell you this I think the scouts really appreciate it because you asked for any coach, you got any video. Yeah. Then you send them something like that. Oh whoa kind of cameras at. Like we don't have that like now I got one of our former players is in A. Cubs. So he's the one that kind of told me about Sony Arcs and three. Choice clubs. That's unbelievable. How much it costs. US. Only a couple thousand like we do that Eric and figure that out. So in spending valuable for us, it's a really really really. Good value for for what you get with it and It's been a part of our program in terms of volume improving guys, ten repertoires in their in their arsenals on the mound. Yeah and it's funny I when I was at a when I was still back in Bloomington a year ago I went to a pure chiefs game about like a month for four left. And I was getting some footage from the side for for youtube videos just like trying to get like little shots of things happening in games like if you catch a shortstop doing something in slow motion, you can like talk through it and teach about. And there was a a chief is either chiefs player visiting player was like four rows in front of me with the same camera getting footage of all the pictures of the tripod and I was like, Hey, we should be friends but the. Teams have this technology to because it's so like you said, it's so easy. It's portable you can teach anyone it's not like big setup, and again, I don't know about the inner workings of Edrich either. But those higher speed cameras are more complex and they require a little more know-how and they're expensive. I think the only the only downside with the Sony is that. You can probably if you're high speed mode, you can only get by every other pinch because. Factor, which which is fine I do believe I take the Edrich traffic is about every really ten to fifteen seconds. You can get a so about the time of guy in the mound and there's a there's a trigger button you can have you know from ill from a wireless perspective you can be in the dugout. You can have your camera setup back there and click a button from the dugout is year in Intersquad and nobody NASA run the camera which is pretty cool. So That's probably one of the benefits of. Yeah One and and to be fair with a lot of this technology and you know full well, when stuff is such a long set up like for example, like you talk about your bullpens, I'll be set of wraps it. Oh, you set up your camera when stuff gets too cumbersome, it just gets hard to do it like for me doing youtube videos when I feel like set this up and that up in this up and and it's just like. It just doesn't get done right and so when you have a camera like the Sony is like, pretty. Nimble. Because like a normal camera, you could send someone into the stands and they could hold it and like get the shop potentially when it's just easy to use it just makes everything a lot a lot better and sometimes. Even. If they're superior technology but his way more complex and hard to use, it's not better than just like the grab your cell phone camera and get something quick. Cell phone technology is still pretty good, but it lacks the zoom. That's the big problem. Yeah, I think. You can certainly use iphone especially with the new cameras that have on those the they're also worked thought I have iphone four is my is my iphone Nice Four. Bobby, bobby had flipped. So they gave us going so I'm just fortunate to have a work phone. So but I've seen people do crazy with iphone to and. Yeah. You just do the best. You can obviously not everybody can afford a a big of camera late but you don't need to. That's the great thing now. So the ramp sodas free mobile to isn't it it's a it's. kind of like a box almost triangle get. US At it's not like the hit track. Hit tracks is just a big bulky. It's needed suitcase drager out. Yeah. The wraps both units the hidden hand ambition balls Super, portable so you can be in the bullpen, use it before game. If you WANNA get spin right data and see what a guy has gone on. You'll be four out in that's That's something that some MLB teams of diving watch games where CREAGH gamble and this guy's started fisher, they have the wraps it all out there just I guess the checklist, right? Like, okay this is good. The break them all for his. Arm Slot because it gives you a pitch affects data to gives you the arms laws are released. So. So yeah the old unit was on the tripod and that was a little bit of a pain you know you. Try off put it up. Had to be six feet from the tip of home plate yeah. That's that's pretty close to your catchers setup. We had so many times for ball goes into the they go to block naturally and they kicked the tripod. Now, the ause you're praying, you didn't this break your four thousand. into the ground unit, which is awesome Yeah we had. We had a showcase yesterday and Tuesday, out air we have the hitting unit based on the hitters and we have an issue of inches and. I think that's the selling point for sure recruiting. In for nothing else if you don't believe in it, don't know anything about it. You don't care about it. It is cool. It's Pretty Dang. Cool to get out there and see exactly how you're all spinning and You know to kind of a jump off the bat of you. Be Low and and all that. So. So, let's shift to cause you were and I I saw this graphic recently I think I was i. don't know if I follow Illinois State Baseball but they tweeted. A graphic of their all time leaders of walks per nine and it was like Ryan Copeland Ranko Ryan Kaufman, right. And we were just talking about. With Liam Belen who's the head coach of my Alma, Mater, university Maryland Baltimore County and really really good talk about all that. So you could always command the ball well, because all of your said like all of your numbers pretty much every year of your college career the Division One level you're to walks per nine innings, which is impeccable. Obviously. and. As far as talking about rhapsody and technology and all the stuff that you can try to tinker and make things better. What is your opinion on command? Yeah. I think it's the name of. It is. Far More difficult to train command and. I think. You see that. And and again, you get back into. Utilise is evident like. People think you can't try to train bowl and there's this debate on social media all the time you know with guys about. If, you can throw this fastball a better command why don't you but? That's assuming that you can improve it and like. You get into feel. The feeling of the feel for your hand field for your body and space you know the more technical term exception of course. But like I think that it came for me from the countless hours and hours as a eight year old nine, ten eleven twelve when you really in that motor ill motor learning phase of your life and development as a child playing. Catch with my dad and playing catch with friends and I grew up in a coldest. We played tennis ball baseball every single day of the summer, and then he took a couple of hours off and you played your Little League Game Your House League game yell at six PM and like it's just all we did all we did So I think that helps a time. Always been able to throw anything exactly where I want in like. I can't really explain it but like there's certain things I think some people can just do and feel with the baseball others can't and it's like sometimes with our pitchers like. Throwing the ball out with a mitten on their hands. It's like they don't. You'll their hand whereas like one of my pitchers can teach me a grip ariss placement or what they do the ball and like we could get out the rhapsody. Duplicate it like within five pitches like almost exact metrics and likes I. Honestly don't know the answer we try. We try a lot of different things. I think the most basic waterdown answer is catch play. Like we see a lot of people play the cats and they're accurate. Then they get on the mound and like they just can't throw the ball where they want to, and then then you get into the argument of Control Command control to throw the ball wherever you want in the zone, and then within the zone is more command, I can throw the ball on this far the plate up down in out in. That's where how many guys anything about how many guys lease even have that I mean I think Dallas. Kyko Wendy Cy Young Twenty fifteen. As I read a stat average, miss of his location was around ten inches, ns cy young winner with good stuff with oil accounts. Your really really good command in the major leagues with far less philosophy and he still misses his five by ten inches everytime on average like so I don't really know the answer but I think we're trying to figure it out. We do stuff with command baseball's. We try to do anything that we can get what is a command baseball So the so Dr Line came out with base falls, and of course, part of their weight in baseball sets that are actually bigger and smaller So they actually have a little degree of a different way to them in addition to different size. No. So it's like you pick up a baseball on and you pick Iraq he picked up a baseball A. Off On, you're trying to throw the ball same exact spot every single time. You Body plays tricks on you. I. Think this the way to describe it, and it takes a ton of you know quote unquote feel an appropriate option ability to to be able to know that ball where you want to and We try things like that we do wait evolves as well getting in the bullpen and throwing Yo at in seventy eighty percent you know so we're making sure. We're staying safe but throwing six ounce fallen and then four than five and a seven six and trying to throw the same age where you want to go with different ways in now. So like there are things that we try but I I don't know that. I. Know The answer I don't know that anybody does because why wouldn't we figured that out yet why rates an all time high? Correlation between that and the increase in velocity. Is the pitching better now than in the in the seventies and eighties I think absolutely. But those guys don't tell you that I think it's worse. So I. I heard that it's five walks per nine is the division. One average released I mean is that is that the same individual? Yeah. Like I know like in like in the middle of the pack with that, like you know in, that's weird for me because like that's not who I was as an. And I think The best advised some of the best advice I got from a former former coach of mine was that an never assume that things are going to be as easy for other people as they were for you invite Ursa is going to be guys you coach that can do things you couldn't do. The worst thing you can do is recruit a bunch of. Players that you think are going to be like you because you know when I go recruit I would love to have a left handed pitcher coming near the freshman as five eleven. That's eight, hundred, five, eighty, eight. You know that can absolutely pound zone and they can tell the both sides of the play three four pitch mix control the running game they're athletic. Guy Doesn't really exist. Yeah I know that, and if he does he, he's going to a power five right because they can. They can see that and I noticed him bulow jobs. It's easier to take the six, two, six, three guy that has a ninety mile, an hour arm and a little lack of command and his hope of the course of his time in college. You'RE GONNA find the zone enough that stuff is gonNA take. He's GonNa walk some guys but you know he's GonNa have swinging missed off BALZAC can be put play a whole lot. His opponent batting average is going to be down. So turn his whip is about where it is be with the walks even being high and I think that guy's a lot easier to recruit lot easier to sign in like we have guys like. For a guy that you know went an entire season walk nine guys in the twenty, twenty, eight season and around one hundred innings Very, frustrating for me sometimes but I remind myself it's a different time and it's not as easy as throwing a throw strikes I say they're trying to throw strikes this. There's something going on in the body hidden in the mind and that allow them to do that. So yeah. One thing that I found bobby go ahead. I was GONNA say throw a strike so to hear the. STANDS, but part of it too. We talked about this Liam like I mentioned I think part of it is attitude. It's like stopped trying to nibble off the plate and some trying to throw your to seem on the corner like throw in the middle let it run. Let it run to a spot own try and be perfect with it and it ends up being a ball as not necessarily that it wasn't a good pitch it was at the hitter just. Like. He doesn't WANNA swing it inside fastball runs off a plate. Now it's all were to be thrown down the middle yet his eyes are GonNA light up and he's GonNa jam himself like it's more of an affiliate of a lot of attitude with Younger guys like I'm not. I. Don't do as much with college level athletes don't do a lot with. But. If I ever coaching a game I have to go to the or talk it's a cake. Let's let's focus on what's Powell in the strike zone and let them make some mistakes like you're making all the mistakes or them let them make few mistakes and get a little bit of confidence like I try and preach confidence. But it's more of an attitude I think than people realize when you run a pound, the strike zone throw strikes because Kaiser taught to hit the corners stay loans zone. be fine with it. You end up one or two or three Oh pitcher to good hitters, and those are the best counts hidden obviously. I agree, and we didn't end up cover that in our talk with with him. But I mean you're right and and I think the weird thing with youth players is they don't learn from almost anybody that there's more to the play than just the middle in the corners. And they don't realize as much as I. Explain this to all of them that there's middle halves thirds in corners and really like to have you watch big leaguers catcher setting up to the half way more than you realize like out or half first pitch in her half because they know there's going to be some leeway and outer half becomes out third when you miss that way right like Dallas knows he's GonNa miss off the plate. So if he catches outer half first pitch that gives him plenty of room to just alright boom I, hit the corner if I missed his. First pitch big deal he ground's out anyway and kids don't realize that they get one strike and now they're on the black, and then you know by just like the law of averages if you through one thousand pitches, you're going to have a spread right A. What do they call? Then are no blanking at the moment earlier. Yeah Yeah and so if you're on the split of your splitting, the black half of those who are going to be balls, half of them are going to be strikes us from random chance assuming all your misses a relatively cons. It'll probably be more like an egg shape but. then. If you okay, let's take that grouping. That's the word I was looking for that grouping your heat map and move it to the Senate over the half. Now you throw sixty seven percents strikes because less of that grouping off the plate. So Bobby one, hundred, percent correct. There's a strategy part to it like so many kids are boom strike one on the black boom ball Juan. Now, they just come back over the plates like you should just on middle than the outer half now you're Oh to then you can screw around and like and you're good. So I mean, do you see a lot of that Ryan like guys come in with like a a lack of strike zone awareness? Yeah. No, that's a great point A. Philosophical thing and that's what we ear. By brought that up I might slip past me we teach our pitchers to throw the ball down the middle of the plate I am not on that lines you if it's o o or even a one, one one are catcher does not move. We give ourselves margin for fight. You're not good enough no one in the big leagues enough to actually physically throw the ball exactly where they want it every single time it actually probably really happens you know. I'll watch him tonight and I'll keep track but like the catcher sets right off the outside corner, like how many times is the pitcher actually throw the ball and there's very minimal. Love I mean almost never knows are the best throwers in the world the most accurate throwers in the world and they still struggle with that. So we have our catcher Senate right down the middle of the plate and we have our pitch cons on one, two, three, four, five, six, zero. But like yeah we WANNA give ourselves margin for error so you can throw your nine you wanna on. It's you seem right down the middle. In and you just let that thing play to that. So the arm side and yet you give yourself room to miss and all of a sudden. Sometimes on the black anyways you know. But if you're trying to be on the corners, all the time with the amount yanks you get at this level the amount that people fly open, they lose themselves on the front side yeah. A PITCH DROOPING IS GONNA be all over the place and with our breaking balls. We have two zones. Your breaking ball as hard and as late and sharp as you possibly can with the most spin right down the middle and then do the same thing and throw it on top of plate. That's it. Yeah. We do try to locate. We will try to locate fastball. You got to pitch inside you gotTa, Miss, intentionally end sometimes but. When we try to throw our our changeups and are breaking balls, we focus on the pitch quality. The DNA of the pitch is something that we talked about and like we all have DNA Dan, Bob you guys look the way you do because your DNA, on and same for me. Hitches have DNA that pitched characteristics the kind of cool thing about pitch as you can change them a little bit. You can alter your DNA with your pitch. So like let's find out what the DNA of your pitches are was understand how they break how they move when they're at their best. Throw them right down the middle of the plate. So we just train the stuff and then we rely on the movement of the page in the pitch profile to to get the hit her up and The best example to to show pitchers for the young pitchers is that watch a college ep like we'll talk about the babies those guys are so special but one good college program take batting practice. Every fastball is fifty six miles an hour right down the middle of the plate and how many miss you still see 'em an unbelievable we. Really Swing it here we get frustrated with our guys sometimes like. Like what are you doing? Why are you pop in the ball on top of the cage? It is hard to really really hard I. If you take that philosophy and make pitcher to understand that you can really really help yourselves cut down your walks, increase your week contact evill, more presence about you. So yeah I, completely agree with that. Some of it isn't about Kogo sanctioning command training it's about philosophy and. Sometimes, the disconnect. I believe is. We have pictures with better stuff than ever. I don't think that's debatable. We have pitchers throw harder than ever. That's not debatable what we also have the old school mindset of. throwdown zone you got to be on the black he can't be in the middle of the plate coming up as a youth. So like you're pairing a philosophy of in terms of how you attack his own with a completely different philosophy that we're what point. Do now and they clash. Don't everything. Now the middle of late, and if you throw ninety seven, I'll take my chances that it's GonNa be hard to square up for any hitter. No. Yeah that's a guy I want to ask you guys both because I'm not a pitcher. So. If I talked pitching to anybody, it's more like how to attack a hitter like what I would do if I was like what I would expect hitter in you know do the opposite but. So. We've got a lot of guys like they'll throw first pitch guile Yank. One. Three fifty pulsipher foul and Alaska. Would would should you throw here again? And I always get the answer. It's always why I'm GonNa go soft something soft away and my answer is always well, he just showed you what he's GonNa do with that that pitch throw it in again I'm Mike let him give you another strike. Give you strike to keep going in there until he proves to make an adjustment. Is that? Am I wrong there I'm looking for more validation like weather not tongue kissed not well all all start because it's funny. You started you mentioned pitching inside because that's a really another good piece to your previous question, which is no one like strategy stuff because. When I would do simulated games with kids is we're getting close to high school season and we have fake batters on my guard. This guy's gotta you really Fast Bat really likes to ambush and really likes to pull the ball like how you know how do you WANNA pitching? What do you want to start off with? And lots of kids in that situation you know or say the kids got US guys got a slow batting likes to opposite field. I'll go I'll go fast ball inside first pitch because I know he's trying to hit the ball the other way. That seems to make sense in theory. But Ryan you'd probably agree do hitter swing at pitches on the inner third inside on the first pitch. They take that stuff at least in my experience. They don't like to swing inside like N N on when they don't have to like Oh, well, no, either it inside. They're taken it unless they're like ready to ambush dumpling but you take most most hitters in my experience inside first pitch is really hard to get a swing and Umpires, don't like to call it. So if you go inside third or farther in First Pitch, you're pretty much setting yourself up to be balwant. Whereas if you get a strike under your belt and now you go inside o-on that hitters like I probably need to swing it seems close out of his hand. Then, they're more inclined to help you. That's a basic strategy thing that I figured out because I pitched inside a lot to be successful and I knew, I'm not going in early I've got to get ahead. Then if I go in later, this guy is going to help me by swinging at that pitch that maybe as a borderline ball and that maybe the doesn't want to call anyway and now I get I, get a strike because he's helping me by swinging how do you feel about early inside inside Pitches Ryan? Well you know you talk to talk to your hitters and talk to your pictures and You have those conversations with them like the one thing you find the matter who's had intimate how talented they are is in any count, they hate the ball inside if it's firm in, it's in whether it's first strike around the inner half or off their hands. They hate it. They cannot stand it. They don't want to hit bet now of course, there's the those times where hitters will ambush Indochino try to zap all Ben. They still have to be pretty Dang good to be able to keep all fair and get on the barrel again, if there's assume there's a base of velocity. So Yeah that that's a common take, and then there's the middle ground that the one strike pitch were like they feel like they're kinda swing mo now. A little bit especially if they're behind the town and then I, think it reverts back to a no strikeout with two strikes as in you get a lot of takes with two strikes. You don't fast all in. It is just out of the hand. It just doesn't look right? It doesn't look good Some of the best pitchers we've had have been able to do that really really well and We have introduced drafted out of here two years ago to the padres and. That's all we did together by when in doubt we don't fastball in it. You Know Ninety Ninety one and I would love to see his opponent batting average on that issue and It's just almost an unhittable pitch that no hitters want to swing a bat. So yeah, that's a I. think that's the that's where you get into the advanced. The pitch is like we see so many fastballs away fastballs away. As a right handed pitcher to right hand hitter, you have to learn how to throw extension sided build a to build those strike on the outer half. It's a I would say it's one of the tougher pitches to drive if it's in the location but if you're out there all single day hitter to pick up on that, Scott reports it out so. Yet. was huge for me a big part of our staff and in our culture and our will we try to accomplish assigned easy. Though a lot of guys really really struggle with a there's a fine line between trying to throw in and. For. Strives trend throwing for Stack up a lot of times guys. They just yanked the ball and they can't get in there as a righty as a lefty they pull off and ends up being Middle Way. So yeah pitching is probably one of the hardest things to teach but I think it is a mindset. Kinda, like Bobby mentioned about strikes philosophical as well. Yeah, and. To your point more specifically. One of my biggest, and it's still like a really vivid memory for me. 'cause it was when I was really starting to learn to pitch in summer ball because we had old like salty left-handed. Like Minor League in any ball veteran as as my my manager and one of the best in the League was the guy who was coming from Louisville I think he wants to northwest shoals after that like he was like a Louisville first year then bounced album. Super Fast Hands. He was crowding the plate and this was a guy that would just like would hurt you. I. Mean he was just Fast Bat, and so he wanted to pull everything. He would not hit a ball to the opposite field the entire season, but he was hitting three sixty against everyone else and hitting like to twenty against our team because coaches like look. I know it seems like because he wants to pull the ball down the line you want to stay away from him. He's like that's wrong. He's like he's trying to pull out her half pitches. That's why he crowds the play a little bit. That's what he's looking to do. We're feeding him nothing but inside fastballs and we're all like okay. So the staff bought in. And everyone's just pounding the student were hitting him like not trying to hit them. But just like you're GonNa hit him when you throw them all in and he's roping balls foul and it did it took some conviction because I was like. And he hits a missile foul and like. I KINDA WANNA go. nope. Go back in. And pulls another missile foul and he's getting frustrated because he knows he can't keep it fair. and. You just keep it in there. It's like he can't get you. It's like having like a you know like a fight where like the bully like hold your and you can't reach the bully that kind of thing. So he literally can't keep that pitch fair because he's not going to change his swing to in inside out at her get into the big part of the Ballpark, and we literally just own this kid all summer by pitching. That way inside which definitely seems counterintuitive to everybody else, and then once in a while once he's really on the ropes, freeze them low and away, and he just shakes his head and just walked back but I learned a lot from that because it was counterintuitive Kinda needed somebody to say, Hey, this is this is it seems like the wrong thing to do but it's It's the way we're GonNa go, and you'll see how it works and it really is fascinating just that like back and forth with headers and and some of the like I said counterintuitive approaches that. Take. So hard on affiliate gets It's hard as a player general somebody has some success success. I would consider as like barreling a ball off of you when it's foul and in the think that that's not the correct. That is the correct thing to do like he hit foul. It's so hard to adjust like especially reverse it. If you're throwing fastballs away, he's just pepper in the opposite field dugout. Stick with that pitch until he shows you, he can at least speed up the bad enough to keep it between the lines. If he can't do it, there's no reason to speed it up forum try and tell guys like, Hey, they're giving you tons of information whether it's how they take a pitch or how they swing at a pitch or where the ball goes when they followed off. Take that Info and use it like don't make don't overcomplicated like the pitch you just through is also a good pitch that next special you can double up, you can triple up you don't need to just you have three pitches doesn't mean you need to mix and match every bitch like it's okay to pitch with just your fast all until someone proves that can hit your fastball. I don't this is coming from a non pitching guy by any stretch I'm just in my my I play shortstop shows. I'm Nago you have to all you have to be win your into the political scene you gotta you got a big juggle out of different buckets here but was a shortstop I watched the pitch calling young the whole game every to every game ever played in I. Remember thinking like this is not the right pitch. You know, why are we calling this pitch like what's? Sometimes, it'd be rights be wrong but I'm learning because I'm basically in it with the pitcher Catcher as shortstop like you're a middle guy, you're basically in that pitch sequence the whole game. So you learn a lot by watching guys that were good. Calling Games got what you guys were terrible calling games like. It's it's helpful to know the pitches, Kinda like. See the results, talk it through. Yeah Ryan what's your stance on on calling games like? Has a work at your program. Yeah so I I've called pitches most of the time here going back to two thousand sixteen. That's something I always. Fight that I always fight like. I know the arguments for I know the arguments against I know you're a big proponent for not calling pitches and. Like I absolutely see both sides I would say are catchers have the ability to call pitches at certain times and we we try to do is. If even if I'm calling pitches in a game there is still is coaching going on because I think the biggest argument is like, let them learn them develop like what if they have a chance to go play pro ball and like? I think that's an outdated argument because like. Pro Catchers are essentially called pitches based off of flight data. Now, like if it gets to this point, this is what we do and I- bobby touched on it and I with Bobby I think a lost art in talking about data collection. What about the data that a hitter gives you from their swings in their tastes in a way that they hit the ball and what they're trying to accomplish in like that's a big part of pitch as well. I guess the argument I would make is like I don't I don't know what my strengths weaknesses are. Coach province taught other people. I think my biggest strength is taking what I did as a pitcher with for most of my career underwhelming velocity, but being able to pitch at a high level of in a really good baseball conference in getting really good hitters out in taking that knowledge in helping our guys get hitters out in game by controlling that stuff. But also still trying to coach them up as well. and I guess the you know the one argument again is is will not necessarily get into themselves right? They're not getting to fail themselves and I think. Again I get arguments like that. That's what you want for your bitches. But like I think it's a lot easier said when you're not out coach being paid to win games like I think that if someone that means able to see your side in, understand it and appreciate and respect it like kind of agree in some ways. It feels like the other side isn't that way like no you should never let them do that I guess the argument is okay if I have to catchers. Neither of them are going to be pros, which is not case roster. We've pretty Daedalus Melissa saving two guys that are really good is not gonna be pros. I guess the argument is and what they call their own pitches and whether they're good or bad. What do we let them develop four they're gonNA go get their MBA working account. I mean that's the argument I guess may like they're here for four years? Are we supposed to let them be very average in? Alternate Pitch Calls for no rhyme or reason not double up not triple up not have the wherewithal to understand the scattering or while everything else is going on for couple of years and we lose some games and turn not that coaches don't lose games that happens I am sure I. I've called the wrong pitch and they're on absolute and I. Think. The communication aspect starts with your relationships. Your players I mean. I. Can think of Specific Times where I called the fastball end and I guess wrong guy was all over it. I thought we could beat him. You talk to your catcher and a was that were needed to be yet yet. Go it was. You walk over pitcher and that's my fault. That's my fault that's on me keep going like Emmanuel goods and I think Again, this is. The the running team. Mutual exclusiveness like I don't think it has to be one way or the other. Because? I do see both sides. So we've called pitches here for the most I've done. It I think. Is a strength of mine as a pitching coach. I'm also very very aware that like a lot of people don't believe in it and they have really reasons as well. That's the best way I can describe. Yeah well, and you have both played in bobby as well. Have played with pitchers who don't call their own game very well and pro-ball, right that's like how how have you been around for five years and you still throw that on that count to that guy you're like what? What's wrong with you like they don't ever really learn and those guys become college coaches and they're calling on kids is games and you wonder okay and that's part of my point is like there's no certification test there's no checks and balances half the programs in the country lose. Cash. Right. How certified? bobbies. Obviously. Calling. The. Pitch collar on your twitter bio. But but yeah no, I get that. So it's it's There's there's definitely a lot on both sides. and. You know what's really interesting jumping back to command and you through from a lower arm slot, right? Yeah. Like pretty low. Isn't it bizarre though and I had this thought this past summer as I was thrown BP to my guys isn't weird and I think this comes back to what you said about some of the playground stuff is that you can be on the mound and I'm just like I'm GonNa mix in a cyber like a submarine pitch. And as you're about to do that, you like get this feeling in your body that even though like I remember this moment from last summer rows about the do this like. I know how to do this and I know how to throw this first strike and I feel like that's it's truly bizarre to think I haven't thrown a ball sidearm from a pitching mound. I in I don't know how long right I really never do that, and it's yet. I am going to throw this ball strike and then as I throw it, it's close and then throw another one and I make an adjustment to strike like that ability is is baffling when you really think about it that a human can just be like I'm just GonNa do this and I'm GonNa know still know where it goes. Do you feel like young players lack that do you feel like infielders kids who are more well rounded maybe as youngsters develop that like the fact that you're playing shortstop and your pitcher gives you more appropriate -ception the ability to make adjustments. Thinks so and while. I think the play as many sports staying is is good but overplay I. Think I think We? We've had this conversation. It does no good to play sports and be bad at all like Muslim in display baseball and the average display his average, and you can play basketball on your own football and all that but yeah it it's fascinating. Could because like Somebody with a lot of feel that those a ton of strikes you can take an entire pitching staff. Let's say you're their coach. And you're like, okay, I'm GONNA I'm gonNA emulate your mechanics your mechanic mechanic's also here here here here I'll close my eyes and open up I'll do a little shimmy marcus stroman and I will still more starts today and it's like That's what we got. Yeah. We talked about like how can somebody explain that I don't know natural? Like that's the thing like why can Marcus Stroman do that and like you have some pictures I just can't even throw the same twice in a row in same spot and like. I think I think being a young kid at like. I Dunno I think we're all pretty similar age like I just know the way that we're up in this old man on the porch kind of thing I guess. We're outside all the time all the time and is that just like video games? That's not the only openness a different world. It's less safe. Now, it is like but like we were outside all the time running around playing ghosts in the graveyard. Skipping Right like playing pickup baseball playing tackle football, and you gotta play quarterback I think like. You have some some level of athleticism as it is as a kid, and then you just develop further develop it by of all those different things constantly being outside like one thing that I I've talked about with a close friend of mine. Have you ever noticed that like talking about injury prone athletes but especially against all in sports certain people know how to fall better than others like your play with somebody and pick a basketball they always roll their ankle they always fall when it get a rebound and the other guy doesn't or he falls, but he knows how to land right like that something nobody talks about like Nice will be played hiccup basketball's staff and offseason light and I, think that's a whole another level of appropriate exception like in injury prone athletes like they just they don't have a feel for their body in space like the other guy does and that of course, ties right into. It will throw something where you want and like. Whoever comes up with the answer to that like the why I remember I remember this moment I. Think it was two summers ago we were playing a small school from. Illinois. Like a team that might team should have like destroyed. And I'm watching my pitcher he went to winnings walked five or six I had to pull. And I'm watching him throw hard with like good standard like clean. Nice mechanics. This is a good pitcher will play in college. He's got a really good arm all lay you know his name after the. Show. Yeah. And I just watch him and I'm I'm watching him walk people. We had a couple of mound visits and I'm like what I've done anything different with him all winter. No does he look good yes. As you have the mechanics, he needs to throw strikes. Absolutely. He looks every bit the part. And then on the other side, we play this team from a small town that had like ten kids. The kid has terrible mechanics throwing slow pounds the strike zone at the strike zone vividly remember this yeah, and I'm like. It just isn't mechanics. It just isn't if it was, it wouldn't be like this in now on. It's just. Like you said, it feels like a cop out it feels like you wish you had an answer. But when you have enough moments of those watching kids and like you said it's just What is it? It's It's something isn't the answer hours that you spend like I feel like kids today like it's not just video games but the amount that they use their mind in the end how little they might use their body like I've got kids come to practice and that's probably they're only. Active. Activity like physical activity all week. And it's were like. Like Ryan said like he's out playing tackle football and underplaying lab you know tennis. Ball baseball in the sack. I I remember being outside every single day throwing a rubber ball against my stairs and whether or not I mean that's logging hours outside. But I mean, the amount of my arms got I would say ten times the amount of throws. At fourteen years old than my current fourteen, you players had yeah it's not and it's just it's not to say that lot of them aren't talented or as athletic or more athletic than I was. But the amount of hours I've logged I've heard people say this kiss from Dominican Republican Rico that. Like their physical maturity in the amount of ground balls that they've taken. Dan You've talked about this like the amount of ground balls a twelve year old. Dominican player has taken is gotta be infinitely more than a twelve year old American get, and it's just that's not a tried and true like hundred percent but. Ninety nine percent of those kids down there. That's all they're doing is taking ground ball after ground ball. So they're hundred percent actions just their designated for. Yeah for sure we'll. A switch gears. Because we want to talk about before we wrap up here the the black lives matter movement and So what have you guys done as a team to talk about that How's IT affected? You personally like we both all three of us have been through pro bowl and seen that there's definitely some of that going on like there is still racism in the clubhouse teams and I shared my perspective. What's What's been your taken? What have you guys done as far as all that? When When we were at the height of that with the protests in turned into riots, they're back in. May May do actually had a view players reach out to me individually in are like. Trojan Houston what's going on Now? What are your thoughts on it? Will pick up the phone line just have a conversation you know and I think that's where it all starts like. There are. Very few people in this country that can just have conversation and it's like. You have to be able to have a conversation. communicate your points understand that maybe the person you're talking to disagree with you and like that's Like we can still all be okay. We can respect each other and just try to gain a different. A different perspective so We have a black player We have an African American player and. So when that was all going on, he's he's a Chicago get I reach out to him just you know and like I kinda went back and forth to be honest. Now it looks like, of course you got to reach out to right but like at that time I was like is he gonNa take that differently than I want him to take it I I want him to know I care about him I want him to know that like. I'm here for him. So I called him and you know hey, I, just want to. Check in with you and see how you're doing and right away. You tell how much it meant to him not that I can never understand what he was going through. And not that I ever will and certainly I haven't lived in his shoes and things. He's probably been through as a as a black man in the United States I can't relate to it but I can try to understand it and. It was really really important for me to know that. I was there for him and if you needed to talk to somebody about anything regarding. The stuff going on I was your friend and so then I made the decision, I talked to some people on my talk to my former boss who's out Lenore Ryan and You know we're GonNa meet as a as a team on doom and we're going to talk about what's going on in our country and I was like, okay, that's that's a that's a tough thing to do. Because like it's not fun to talk about. But like I think it's our duty to talk about that stuff like if you ignore it and you just pretend it doesn't exist and you pretend that systemic racism isn't thing in this country like you are just as guilty as everyone else and that's that's my opinion very strong on that. So we got together we had about an hour meeting. We brought in somebody from our campus that works in the diversity center. I. Wanted to have our players here from a voice of somebody who probably has a little more a little more experience with everything that was going on and it was It was fantastic and I, had my talking points in I wanted to be clear that this is not about sides this. Is Not about laughed right conservative liberals not. It's about human beings being treated the way that they deserve to be treated an acknowledging the history of our country and the racist history of our country that you cannot deny and clearly of gotten much better when you look back two, three, four hundred years but have gotten to where they need to be not even close and. it really hit home with me and my girlfriend is laughed and US and she she has a really really tough day as some really tough nights that really really hard on her and I think I got to see how people were reaching out to her but really didn't know what to say how to say it and people were leaning on her to give them like. And how they should act she thought that was really unfair because like I think if you're black Ersan his country like you just you just want to be treated white white people have in this country forever. So I was really really close to me. It still is. I think. We need keep speaking up about need can't let this go away until things. Get. Better and and understand that you know there is things that we can do in one of the most powerful things that I did with my girlfriend we went to a protest you're in downtown Springfield said to me five years ago you're going to go to a black lives matter protests. In support of. Is Black men that and why women that have been killed by police in recent times I thought you were crazy and. I think. One of the things that I've sat back and gain perspective on is like I've changed and I think for the better I remember five. Ten years ago, not caring about any of this stuff it didn't matter to me and then like a switch. Got Flipped and I don't know what it was. It wasn't necessarily my girlfriend. I. Think it happened a little bit before that were like I changed. My perspective, change all that stuff and I remember the Ferguson riots in in in the the Baltimore riots and the protests and might. Kind of shutting them with what are they doing like I admit to that and then like there we are five six seven years later and like I can't believe I thought like that but I think that's a good thing i. think it shows you that you can change like you don't have to be setting away as you can try to gain a different perspective. So yeah, it's really really Important to me It's a it's obviously very, very uncomfortable to talk about I'm sure there's people listening right now. That are like, Hey, we were just having a conversation about pitching in baseball and like why did you do this but you have to keep pushing on through that you have to you have to get people to understand that we cannot talk about this until we we have quelled. Like you said I think a lot of us didn't know what to do and for me I'm not like a very raw roberson like I went to a in DC one day. but I felt like I could write and that was sort of like my best way to reach other people in young people that I work with and for people that don't know you're in central Illinois. It's where I lived the last nine years where we met. And it's predominantly white and for most people like they just they don't have a horse in the race essentially, they just don't know what's going on and it's not really in their backyard. Their problem like you're in central Illinois is a lot of great people there but they don't really have any connection to Ferguson Missouri like they've never lived in a city where they see the diversity like I appreciate here I live in DC like I see all types of people every block that I walk like like all types of people and. And like you said, we've all experienced this in our club houses. There's only you only have a handful of black teammates every year, and it's typically almost if I looked back on my own careers probably two guys every season now and that I think that a bow represents the eight percent. That is in baseball now, but and those numbers are still dwindling. But yeah, I think it's hard for a lot of kids especially like in your neck of the woods just to really understand because they live their life. You know they don't know as many black people in Central Illinois. and. They don't know anyone who's really suffering probably from it. Whenever astronaut or asked You springfields Kinda. I've been the Springfield probably a half dozen times springfield ordinary diverse mortimore diversity in most antedates more diverse, but it's also very segregated like there's Dislike a big city Chicago There's pockets where you know you have your neighborhoods in there definitely segregated and then you get into. Why that is and red lining and all the stuff that goes on especially in the bigger cities and. You'll you back in Chicago History Cabrini-green, the Robert Taylor homes and Phil Way that those families were redlined and the the one point that I wanted to really make with our players is in. I think this was important because I think. As a moderator you're trying to get people to have a conversation. You can't be biased right like that. That runaway tweet credibility. Different than the people that argue CNN were suspected it's old they're both bias. So it's hard to watch sometimes if you're trying to be neutral so like I wanted to make them understand that you can. Acknowledge that there is systemic racism bet police brutality with laugh man is harming rate comparatively to everyone else. In also. In be pro police and you can you can acknowledge that black lives matter. The movement is a great thing and the protests are great navy chief so much in terms of bringing awareness about the cause and not support writing and understand and condemn that that's wrong like. Again like people think that you have to pitch aside, you can acknowledge both like you can. You can be so tired of black men dying at the hands of the police that were unharmed. But. Also still support the Police Illinois I. saw a quote one time like unfortunately in a really really hard Joh- incredibly difficult jobs it job where you can't have that apple's you can't. You can't because people lose their lives because of it, and so that was what I want to make. Clear guys like this Van Diagram, right like we can all be in the middle you can. You can want everything you can support everything and acknowledges at a while. This may be right. I also if now is that this is also wrong like. So that's what I really want to push our players and to be open about that like we are GonNa talk about it like I. I Kinda I kinda used to be like, Hey, no politics guys don't WanNa hear about it but like I guess if this is politics, then we're GonNa have to talk about because it's it's about human lives and Again and it's not about politics and that's what's unfortunately. I mean it's current news but like with my letter that I wrote. I got a lot of angry emails back for my email list and most of them were this is political I don't need to hear your political bs on Mike Not one thing about it was political. Came from had nothing to do with it. But if you think being on this side means you're this on this your laughter this having this opinion means you're right and I was like look what if what if Democrats Love Pizza I love pizza does that automatically make me Democrat or you know if you love ice cream you're Republican I love. Ice Cream that makes me the that's not a Republican opinions just like it's just an opinion. You know and and I think that's what's unfortunate is all this stuff becomes politicised where it's like, no, this seems more like a moral and dislike a societal issue, not a political issue. Up Little like how? Yeah it's everything. Everything is political though Sarah things political now it's it's like you can't. We can't have an. Opinion that doesn't love you in with a certain tribe. Yeah overall thought process or you can't is it's almost impossible as much as you want to like cannon your small in your groups like amongst team can be political writer having conversation because you've got different backgrounds on the team I have conversations with all of our kids mainly the high school kids because they're the ones that are that are actually active on social media like they're posting things they're saying they're. They're reposting things. They're liking things on social media and my big echoing overarching point to them was that the Internet's permanent. You have you believe what you guys want to believe what you guys all come from different backgrounds like go just understanding. Whatever you post is going to be seen by everybody and it'll never go away. So. That doesn't mean you shouldn't post it. I'm just telling you if this will. This may affect you in ten years from now so. Take it for what it's worth I. Go I'm not GonNa sit here and. Give you a tell you think one way or the other you guys believe which WanNa believe you're all. My big thing is if you have a smartphone than you're an adult like if you're dependent adults now that's the worst posse ever but that's but that's how I. Read I get what you mean by. That's treat the high school kids link. If you're an adult enough to be interacting with basically all of society on your phone, you have to be adult enough you have to be as Donald About To make your make smart decisions Sivas. Adult and if you own a gun and you could smoke, you could drugs. Here you go. Here's the whole package you get your phone, you can get a box of guns. These, honestly, he's like some of these high school kids might know where to get all the all the drugs and gun by hopefully some of the adults right? They're just they're. They're they're in touch with everybody. But if you have you, you can have has been political politicized even if it's just amongst. Small Group of friends like it's always one person it feels like it's GonNa politicize it or I try not to talk politics Dan I. we'll talk politics like on here but I really don't try and talk politics amongst my friends or family or anything because I don't. One nobody cares what I think and I don't really WanNa hear anybody else's ranting about. Fox. News, Vegas that's the biggest problem I. Don't I don't know if I'm facing friends that you Dan all I, do share posted dogs any homes the? Exact. Founded a dog rescue so that that that's the extent of my facebook posting and people. Because they're annoyed because I. Yeah. But like the amount of people that just can't. They need to have their opinion Boyce. Type they have to type it out the posted. Hey, it's okay. If people don't hear from you, I promise you. Bobby like nobody cares about about your opinion on politics nobody cares about mine either I know that so. Yeah I I don't know if you guys have Dan you're not on facebook. Are you gonNA face postal no I am but I unfold every person and I never post ever. So if you're going. I don't see any of your stuff I literally I have no feed and I haven't posted a personal post unless it accidentally auto post from like a piece of content but I don't put anything personally. So like on facebook, there's groups like I live in I live in the neighborhood called town Chicago ride by familiar. So is like Buck town community. Watch like in this group like you know you to see what's going on and it's just people posting ridiculous things that happen to them like I went to the gas station and he was rude to me and they posted it gets two hundred comments like Oh what nobody cares nobody each hairs what has like enough that is just how people interact now. So why posted? They posted an, it's it's it's great entertainment offering judges. Love. It So do you have any new policies going forward with your team like what's been like the the action plan going forward? Yeah so I think we'll make an effort to have formal conversations You know throughout the semester will actually sit down and we talk about certain certain issues and I would like for us to to be much more involved with the diversity center on campus and Again, it's just all about getting different perspectives and in listening to people and the enlisting to try to understand, not listen to try to respond and I think that's really really important and Yeah. I just want to have a team that. Kind of reflects. What we're on trying to accomplish and be better people be more understanding of everything and I think you can't do that if you don't talk about it. So if you would as a year ago, I would hurt conversations. About this type of this type of thing, going on in the dugout been a little off to me a little weird but I need to be. I need to be aware of things going on within our team as well. Because things that. Happened within a group of guys and and I wanna be I wanna be on the on the four that in our in our community and You know I think you might girlfriend. It has taken a a an incredible lead with some of that stuff some of the things that she's done especially for for our black student athletes on campus. She works she works department and being able to learn from her and understand the things that she's doing to try to make change as been credibly moving. So I'm certainly I. I'm I'm in a position where I can learn a lot naturally just about every single night that we're together but Just trying to push through trying to get better and better and better in the let guys you guys share their thoughts and have that dialogue and never let it go away as. I think we have A, we have a we have an issue with that in in this country where things happen we react it's the talk Talk. For Cycle New Leagues, the new cycle, and then it goes away and everyone goes back into their normal lives like we can't let that happen if we WANNA make actual change. Yeah it's a it's. It's. It's been an interesting year. I mean so much going on with Cova protests. and. Like you said like the reactionary stuff like I mean to your point about being able to support everyone. Like I. See when I was in DC. Monitoring around through all of it, and of course, it was like every day very close like there's like signs and say, all cops are pigs all cops are evil. That's clearly not true because a lot of cops that do a lot for people and there's a lot of black ops to like like people just want to jump to one side and that's unfortunate where there's just like. There's a lot of angles to all of it and it just if you're trying to make good decisions caring about other people that seems to be all that, you really need to like eventually get where you want to go just like making good decisions. With. Other people's interests at heart. You know everybody because like the whole defunding police thing it seems like I don't know what that even means like. There's lots of different stuff, but it's all a big conversation to try to figure out what is best for everybody. One thing that I've been trying to to do and Certainly it's tough. Now with with the Kobe climate, we're in with restrictions but I've always wanted to run a voluntary youth camp inner city, Saint Louis inner, city, Chicago go into their neighborhoods, and come with a bunch of college coaches, and maybe this is something down the road you can help me with and lobby me with but. Just, like you run a showcase camp and the L., you've got fifteen college coaches there in their gear. Go do that same thing in the inner cities right Chicago St Louis Kansas City Indianapolis go go get those communities to understand that they can play baseball and we can help them play baseball one thing that we've kind of touched on a little bit. That we didn't get into was the lack of of black baseball players in the major and that starts with the neighborhoods. They just they don't have the setup they don't have the resources in the that's not okay. So? That's always something I wanted to keep that keep that in your mind, and maybe we can figure something out I think that'd be really really cool and special in to give back to. A. Different community, right like, oh, give back to a different community. We always talked about doing things for the community but sometimes, like you said, it's in our bubble and it's where we feel comfortable. Once once be uncomfortable. Go do something that maybe five ten years ago we would never thought about doing. Sway mentioned cause in in DC. There's the nationals Youth Academy, which is in a rough area to the point a girl I was talking to who used to work for the national said like on one of their first as open, like someone was murdered like very close to the grounds. And since then I think they've been open eight or ten years and I sent them an email a little while ago asking like what kind of like volunteer opportunities they have their but they said like that place is slowly transformed to like a protected space in that in that really rough area where people know like, Hey, there's people coming to go to the youth. Academy. You leave them alone. They're here to help our community and it's just like done such good for that that that spot in DC. And just like one of the lower income areas. So you definitely see that it makes a big difference just get kids having structure and they do lots of outreach programs and a lot of educational stuff in in addition to baseball stuff there. But. I just heard so many glowing stories about what they've done. It's just been a really special place I know Ian Desmond talked about that. And he and his instagram post where he was talking about his experience with racism because he I known was working when he was with the the nationals with with a young man who was then shot to death at age thirteen acute who couldn't read who has been making such progress and then was murdered in his own community just like. Those kids really need help. and. They need that like you said St Systemic Change and people to put themselves out there to help make that happen. For. Sure. That's crazy. So Ryan we appreciate you on the show. We covered a lot of good stuff today. How can people follow up with you and your program and and where would you like to direct people or any LASTA sentiments share? Yeah Obviously, we're pretty active on social media Ill, you can follow us on twitter at. Baseball underscore you I asked for on facebook we're on Instagram and We're trying to get ready for a normal fall here. Guys will return to campus next week and so far so far, or we're going to be able to practice that we was canceled outside competition. Would, which stinks for our guys were supposed to almost state southern Illinois but Yeah. We're trying to do the best. We can. We have weekly testing here on campus so we're very fortunate to build to be funded for that. So hopefully, we can keep all of our all of our players, all of our staff, all of our students safe. We are having our annual golf out for all you golfers on September twenty six. And at the Rail Sherman Illinois in PG or way back when so pretty cool two hundred and fifty dollars for four, seventy, five for Ninja. Job. Super affordable on the very low end of a price for golf. So Many listeners enter interest in that. It's not just an alumni event. As just a US baseball, you WANNA come out you want golf you want to be around the program we'd love to have you and. Dan Thank you as always always a pleasure talking to you. You probably don't talk. I know. Conversations, and bobby. Thank you for having me on and I you still with Wendy. City. So the. Is Windy City. Yeah. The the brand now I know you've talked to. Our pitching guy in our art seventeen new ad Korea lot yeah yeah. Yeah he's second players House. I mean for anyone listening. If you don't know anything about you is baseball, you should take note I mean that's what I would consider the Premier Division to program definitely in the Midwest. The country where two guys. project this year as far as ranking. Wise. They come out any preseason. Not. Sure. Not sure will be, at L., I like to think we're using in the in the top twenty, five there and. Yeah we're The worst has been put into this program from twenty eleven when the first year of the programs inception to where we aren't out not just with the facilities and. The recognition we've gotten for a really really just seasons bear very proud of that and it wouldn't happen without the people around program. Take you surround yourself with really really good people and really really good things happen we get a lot of credit as a coaching staff or doing a great job. The reality is is we have really good players and a lot of really really good. Young men that do a great job. Do you need to be asked to and Yeah. I think sometimes people yelling where I'm at camp yesterday I mentioned, Hey, you know we've had. We've had six guys in the last three years including a couple of Siamese be signed by SALIDA MLB team or be drafted I think people step back what six and three years I'm like yeah, a lot. That's alive for school. Yeah. And we've done all kind of on on our own down here in central Illinois with. A, probably as little as possible on to this day, right we still have. Few. in, we've won forty games on average each last three years and. I love the Talk about culture just let you hear about development right those those were. Elites. Culture and Development Yeah. I try to avoid them But I'm so proud of our environment our players just never made excuses I in that comes from over the top down and It doesn't matter what we don't have we focus on what we do have and. That's really really good baseball players that really care about what they do and and hopefully we're doing our job is coaching staffed to make sure we're putting them in the best possible and If you're about getting better, you're about getting from point A. to point. B. I'm young point be as as a guy ceilings I think we should be an option for anybody in in the Mid West and certainly, we get toll no a lot more than we get told Yes to recruit because we're going to go try to recruit the big boys and l. again when we all know out but the really really good players and then turn People Think you're pretty good job with fair fair unfair but Yeah. Really. Really Proud of what we've done here my former boss release at the foundation I for our program and Again Really. Really appreciate you having me on and an avenue conversation that over there entrusted to listen to just some people some insight into. You guys and end on US baseball myself, and of course, some of other things that we discover that probably a little more important than baseball as well. Yeah. Absolutely. Bob You WANNA send us out Air Ryan. Thanks for coming on. Always welcome back we'll get. We'll catch everybody in the next episode of morning brushback. Thanks.

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Edward Norton - 11/12/19

The Moment with Brian Koppelman

1:24:20 hr | 1 year ago

Edward Norton - 11/12/19

"Is the moment rank album and thanks for listening. This is well this long time. Coming in a super treat to have A guy in here that I've been friends with for over twenty years and who was so instrumental in me having a career to begin with and be able to do this for a living. Edward Norton Writer Director Producer Actor and incredibly loyal and good friend Edward. Thanks for being here you you got me choked up right just when you were saying writer director. Ask the chick again. I even as you were saying that I was always set me up. No no it does choke me up. I can't believe you last night when you said twenty two years I was. It's like that. How is that possible? You're not even one of my college friends. I know it's crazy. We're we're all dude go. I mean I just showed when you told me your son. Sam Is writing a book with Neal. You'll I was like I am fucking passed it to rounders when he was like you said Eh he was two years old. Here's here's where I want to start so Edwards. New Movie motherless Brooklyn is out and it is a must see movie if you're the kind of person you're listening to this podcast and you are. You need to go see this movie in a theater as it's meant to be seen but I WANNA start And I was David our around and watched Edward Work on it from the beginning. As a as a writer and watching your commitment and determination and relentlessness was inspiring Edward trying to understand last night. What do you think the actual number of years since from when you read it to it actually being released its twenty exactly because I read it in the fall of ninety nine when it came right before it came out I read it and I got it in? GALLEYS A friend I was at a party in the village and a woman. I knew who knew Jonathan. Actually I believe Stuart Blumberg my partner who you know well writer director. He he was dating someone who was friends with Jonathan and tip me off that That that he knew about it and and I got in galleys. So I I was GONNA say years. Twenty years. And Edward went on Our mutual friend embarrasses podcast. And they're really really told the story in a granular gray. We'll get to some of it. But I encourage you to listen to that pod because I want to try to give a little more context of certain things and one is i. Have I have to talk about how we first met. Because I'm really interested in the person you were then and and how much of this this this life you've been able to build. You saw it so when David I wrote rounders and we were Matt was in was cast and we were just about cast. We had this crazy idea Ted Ramey said to us if you could have anybody want they were gonNA maybe cast somebody who's worm who didn't have really credits that mattered to any of us in Teddy one day one. What are we doing? Who who would you guys want? If you have anybody in David and I both said Edward Norton us down on a stone. Three you've done. Three movies had come out and you were smart. You know we can tell you smart and it it is interesting though because primal fear I was in Italy for the Rome Film Festival. We this movie. We opened the film festival. And they did a little career retro. They did a little conversation with and they showed a bunch of clips and I saw clips from primal fear and everyone says I love you also radio but you know what's really wild is. I made a joke about it on stage like I was like I'd never I didn't even change my haircut. I didn't even change my haircut through primal fear. Everyone says I love you when Larry Flint. Maybe on Larry Flint. I combed it the other direction and I had these little fake sideburns in but it is astonishing to me that no one including me thought to say maybe you should change. Adrian was the look in your eye on the front. It was look in your eyes on the front steps of the Supreme Court. When after? When you've won the case you come out there and emory there is this mischievous intelligence at play and your it was clear? You're thinking in our member putting David. I'm putting all three of those things together and saying saying well we have these incredible cast but this is the the amazing thing so they they fly. I have to ask you because this is the moment. I'm I'm fascinated by that because in primal fear basically doing like a you know kind of stuttering Innocent right right then. There's this flip into this like thing and I guess I guess 'cause I'm trying to think what would make you associate any of it with worm because woody woody Allen thing is completely like goofball light the Larry Flint thing. Yeah it's intelligent but it's very square very straight right and worm is the farthest or this thing from square. He's you know Johnny Boy Right. So but what Roberts in French village David me really but he. Dan Bugs Bunny. Yeah Yeah but but I I am curious what you what was it was their stuff in the primal. I'm wolf fear in the in the turn guy in the way. He's sort of needling Richard. Because it because there's not a lot well it's probably hard for you to see the your own charisma like the charisma's one of the hardest things to see right but worm had to somehow be able to keep you the problem with Eric Roberts's character and pope and you're right. Johnny Boys Bez. Eric Roberts from the moment you start you just want Mickey to get rid of them right. Worm had to be endearing endearing so you had to be able to roll with him and understand why Mike was rolling with him until he couldn't am any longer. These guys is poker. Players are very smart so it was really important to us. That even if worm as Didn't do things the way might did that. You understood it and and and it was also like we were just trying to put together an all star team right. We had two zero. We had Malkovich and it was like you know Maddie and so the idea of well. WHO's going to stand in in there and really feel like okay? We have a chance to make diner. 'cause you know David. Our biggest inspiration was diner where these groups and and I do remember seeing Larry Flint and and and both of us saying well. That guy can handle that kind of dialogue. That's the Edward Right. Those were two of those not primal fear but the other two. You had big bursts of dialogue. That were had rhythm musicality to them and you had to be able to deliver that shit to play worm and you were able to get liver that Shit Shit but so they tell us everyone says. Oh Edward Norton Never GonNa do these two biggest star and Ted Demme's it. I was not in any way shape or form like a big star like I literally had done three movies in supporting parts but this was supporting heart and they were positioning you to be leading. Act Time Right. I'm talking about the business people I think. And then we get word that you are that you liked the script and wanted to meet just to know that it wasn't all bullshit or something they had said to us and John. The director trusted David Mehan instead of John. Coming going to meet you because he was he was like Bryan. and Dave. Do you guys want to get into Plane Norton so which was super cool of him to do as a director Detroit. Yes it has nothing and it's kind of a Montana Laconic. It's a very clint eastwood move. Actually it's it's it's sort of like you know I care but not that much that's like and maybe you know it sort sort of like it'll be what it'll be coached us up but then there's the part that I wanNA talk so we get to cal l a text you or call you and you said come over to my the house. We're going to take you to a poker casino. We're going to be you and you should come to my house and you gotta remember as I'm sure you remember everything on your first movie. I remember every detail of everything that happened on that film. And we let us in your house and very warm and welcoming. Oh you immediately said I'm working on. Something is the first thing you did. Did you go working on something. Can I just show you guys. Ten minutes of footage without telling you anything about what you did did know and also I didn't have a house lead was no it was at your house other. Oh it was drew Barry. We're staying Jesse. I was borrowing her house because I remember we walked in and on the right. That's where the Mark Halperin book was against the Front of the. I remember the whole thing yet. So you go compare and you had. The Room had very little furniture but there was that one there was a big TV. Yes and you go here. Just watch ten minutes of footage and you fucking played us. The first ten minutes of American History Acts Oak. I'd really yes you did and you were like I know we just written this movie and you were like. Hey tell me this works because you were when you editing it then yeah and and so literally walking you know you that I don't know your goofball in certain ways and you're like US and your I've context other than the race and I they walk into your house at the curb. Stop and then you turn around and get arrested all jacked up. And then you're like so guys you think works remember just like Holy Fuck. What am I dealing with like? What's this fucking but you were in this incredible herbals pot? What did it feel like to be with us? But I'm really interested in this right and then you were amazing right. We went out together. went to poker by the end of the night. It was an and this happened with mad. It did happen to the four of us by the end of that thing. We were all like family in a certain way. And that's why these bonds have stayed for so long. But what did it feel like to be you in that moment men after those three movies and sort of making his American history x and you know having arrived in California now at that spot not in in your life what what did it feel like. I have to sort of think back on. I mean I guess we're talking talking about. I feel like we it. The only thing that's strange about that is that we we made rounders we rehearsed it. In the fall of nineteen ninety eight no came out and date. It was ninety seven. Oh I know it was the end of ninety ninety started filming December right. No Fight Club in ninety eight. Well okay so that makes it make more sense. Yeah we may yet we made. You're right right. It was early on in in like the post process of American industry acts. It's late ninety seven and right. Yeah so an interesting thing had happened right. Then which is I was supposed to. I was GONNA do the original incarnation the runaway jury that fall But what had happened. There was a lot a lot that year. Here is a pretty wild year because in the spring the previous year everything I did had come out all in one. Wave Tsk primal. Fear came out in the ninety six was primal fear. The fall and in the fall was Larry Flint at the New York Film. Festival and Woody Allen's Allen's movie there and then the Oscars was in the spring of ninety seven Cetera. But my but my mother passed away in the spring of ninety seven literally like two weeks before the Oscars and I was you know I was pretty I in all these when you talk about like. Oh you know he's not going to do is supporting part in their queuing him up for big things. And what's the mood. You're in but the thing was I had just like I just dry dumped off of doing everything because like when my mom died I I was basically like my dad needed help of course and I had been. I had been away working a lot. You know all this all the newness Of everything that was breaking open for me was happening when my mother was getting ill And so I my whole. Mike's not not primal fear. But but across making the Woody Allen Film and then making Larry Flint I was not having I was loving the work but any forty eight hours. I flew home so so there was no like I'm partying. I'm hanging with woody. I'm doing this. I'm doing you know it was like it was like do. I have two days off gone home so I was and and the thing that was weird about that is one of I was like I need to not be working. But my mother was like my biggest champion of being and she was like she was like you are argued. There is no way. You're not doing woody Allen film there is no you know. She showed me all the way down films like we watched them and it's it was literally like it was. It was a strange moment because and an American is Jack's we pushed because we we were going to do it and we pushed it they. They were very nice and we pushed it because she was really ill and then and then I went to it too soon after after she passed away. Honestly which which is in that film on your. It's it's more. Yeah more like the the the second second half of his story and stuff like that but but it does things and by the time. I got done that when I got done that I really kind of collapsed. I was like I was like I need to. I gotta be like a human being. You know what I mean like. I can't I can't like just I can't keep like I forgot forget being careerist I was like I got. I got nothing like I'M A. I'm not what I'm not in a place but it was right at this moment. So did what was wild. Was I was supposed to off. I was going to play the lead part in Terry Malick Thin Red Line. The Jim Caviezel so part. Right which have laughed about Adrian. 'cause I I knew that Shawn's part and did Jim Caviezel played where the really great parts and I had gone on I had spent a year Mo- a lot of that year I had been flying. I had also been going to Austin Texas to walk along the river with Terry and talk talk about that and he was one of my idols. Course and I was very Bought I was very passionate about doing that with him. I was so excited about working with Terry Malick on his first film in forever and I just worked with me Loesch foreman and it was like Oh my God Neil Foreman and Terry Malick Alec. And it's like this is like the dream you know and But I caught when my mother passed away I. It was like a month before I was supposed to go. It was the thin. Red Line is GONNA be like six or seven months in Australia and I just felt my dad than just my family I was like I can't I cannot leave. I can't go away right now for that long. It's too selfish. It's too and I don't have it. I'm I'm not like in a good place and I and I taught and I pulled out of it which was very heart defect? That I pulled out of it shows that it really wasn't even had to be has if because an answer when I pulled out of it. I Terry I was very understanding very humane about it And then there was like and then I didn't do anything anything. I wasn't doing anything at all. I was just kind of drifting. And then they came out with the runaway jury very and Joel Schumacher was like really really leaning induce. Before David and I wrote that became the movie and it was about that cigarettes. Yeah not not not not guns and is you know the guy on the jury is his lost his sister to you know lung cancer right. He's going after it was it was the girl now. You figured out should be him. It was like girlfriend. Actually write write. His girlfriend had lost somebody L.. At Yankee helped yeah so it was. It was Anyway there was. This is how crazy it was going to be. Sean connery sorry in like Gene Hackman role was committed. Gwyneth paltrow was going to be Rachel vices. The girl you are going to be in Coosa yeah and and and and it was all baked and and I was like very disinclined to do grisham thing. It was like to me. That was not at that time in your life even though you wanted to do the other Grisham movie that Matt God no that was later. Oh Oh no no. It wasn't it wasn't they. I was very disinclined and I thought Joe was really nice but it felt to me like a programmer and these other things I've been looking at were so they were so rich rich. The thin red line you know. And then I and then Toll Schumacher like leaned into mainland into bin Laden and he and he said all these things he was like you have to trust me. I need you in this to make good but you need to do one of these. You need to do a big starring part with big people and this is your. You should do it. You should do it. and Ed La Motto. My famous agent was going like kid. You do one of these. The world is open to the bub-bubba and I'm sort of like going and and honestly what twenty seven ninety six. Yay This is ninety seven. Yeah Twenty eight and he but the honesty a funny thing happened to me. which is I sort of did something I don't often do which is I sort of surrendered to? I surrendered to Lake Nick in my own mind. I was like I'm too. I'm too blown out to do anything deep. I can't I can't do anything deep I can't I pulled out of the thin red line. I I can't think straight and I can do this in my sleep. Well something I've ever heard heard I say I can do this. I can do this. And there's a certain tactical argument that people are making that I don't really relate to but and like I'd rather you know but I was like you know what it's in La. I'm not in lots of it. I can slide over to the editing room on American history. Acts accent was like you know what this get paid really well like more like I you know. I didn't paid like like you know a couple hundred grand I think at most sure you know and it was like they were talking about like millions and millions of dollars. So we'd like you know just like life altering and it just felt like you know what don't be just be let your let yourself do something easy right now. It's good it's fine it can you. Can you can use. And so they're doing it and they made me pay or play on the movie and then they pay you tell people that means they start art date and they don't want you. The studio is now committed to you. Yeah they say you're committed. And they say here's a start they were booking your time. And they had a start date and and and then like Joel's Batman movie and he went through this like he went in the other direction he was like. I need to be doing something serious. I can't keep doing Grisham Batman Grisham Batman and then he was like he literally I was like I can't everything he had said to me. He was like. I can't do this programmer. You know what I mean for. Or and he and he bailed. Hollywood actor bailed after they made you pair play and he build. And here's the thing you talk about like little. I was like I was just like laughing. I was like see I was right. I was right right. But was warner brothers. Back in like the Billy Gerber. Lorenzo Bonaventure is I. We know these guys from A. I wouldn't have known him if I'd seen him in a crowd Warner's originally Fox so I so I I I yeah and it was regency too. Because they hadn't jump region anyway anyway. So I'm like I had thought myself and my big Hollywood Hollywood agent. He's going he's going he's going you sit tight your old say God damn word you let this ride. You know you're going to get paid for you know and and then I'm GonNa get you paid again. That he did it for Jen's Oh you know what I mean. You're going to get paid then you're gonNA get paid again because you love 'em like this sounds good research ed and I'm like and I'm like and I had this little sit with myself and I was like you know what like that's not a good long game in this town and so I asked to go so I go into warner brothers which check never been to a drive into work and I go to the big executives. There's I walk in and I sort of said. Hey guys I said listen you know honestly all all of this was Joel. Dino Joel leaned on you to make me pay or play like earlier than normal and I I honestly was a little ambivalent about it in the first place I am not nothing and I said I so appreciate it but my I said my feeling is listen. I know you you know you got me but I said you know what. Why don't we just? We should just tear this. Wow and shake they can say like. Let's find another one you know and I was like what could I do. That could be more. Stand up right and walking in and saying hey you know we sure This is an arranged marriage. Let's let's like like each other for the long-term right and I play out now and they all go and these guys and they all go they go. Oh my God like you're such a man. She or what a good you know. Like what a great guy but but but no. We're making the movie and I was like like. Oh because it's supposed to start in like four months and there's no like July or August. I'm like there's no director and they're like do you want to make the movie. Do you believe in the movie and I was like candidly. I I think there are things that could be great about it. I think this this and that and they were like Joel Joel. They're like wheat. People are lining up to direct. This movie who do you think would be great and I start dreaming and I start going. We'll God what about Sydney Pollack. What about This person that person Anthony Gala. You know I'm like throwing out names and there and they if you start going great. Let's work on this together. We're we're doing. We're doing it like you. We want you in it and you and I was like okay but now if I say yes like I really am not going to do something else so we really are doing it right. And you're like yeah so I start like throwing names in and they're saying no no You know they're saying no to people and Lo and behold like the time comes around and the movie is supposed to start and there's no director there's no production and now at goes he he goes. You're getting paid like he goes out and so in my mind. I'm going this. This can't be good no matter what. It can't be good to force a studio Japan million dollars or whatever you're not going to make it blah blah. It can't be good and aren't in relations lawyers get all toothy with and then they look at the deal and realize warner brothers. has boxed us us in to paying money for a movie. That's not going to get made. They were so angry. And then someone sent me the rounders script and in that this thing and I'm just sitting there going. I tried to do the right thing I but I'm really on the fence about like what should I do. And there was kind of thing until late came in and they were like and it was in the same slot. Yeah and I kind of went. This is great like this is great. This is really fun and I could use it like as an let them off the hook thing because it it was in the same slot I could say. Hey whatever they give me at remediate staff and why don't you guys get fifty cents on the dollar or what. It gives me a a chance to have a great time to exactly what I wanted to do. In the first place with the kind of people I wanted to do it with and still get the same dough and and make a man WanNa break them. You know go go okay. This guy's all right and so it was like and so it was really funny because that was the end of that year and when you guys came out and I went around it was like I I lift. I felt that year because the it was a bad year her weird it was it was it was it was here on one level and a bad God year dominates everything it was it was it was actually actually it was like the Oscars I barely remember making American extracts was like it was like putting a finger in the dike right. It was like a way way to just shove everything completely decide then it was just like a it was a bad year. It just nothing. Everything was like I just was it was a bad year And and you know and at the end of the year it was like okay this. This is starting to look like the fun that all this was going to produce you know when it kicked off a two years ago really you know what I mean right and so I did feel going into rounders like I. It was Kinda like this deep breath like all right. I'm allowed to have some fun. You know what I mean that's awesome. Yeah yeah well that night felt like obviously to the to to Dave in me you know like I said we watched the American history thing. Where like all right? This is really fucking intense and then you mark help book which meant the world to us to people who don't know not Mark Halperin Mark Halperin. They're different people and then going out into those poker casino already sort of and it was great because we could see already sort of figuring out watching and figuring out mannerisms and had had to do the thing But had you because of what went on with your Mother did. Did you get to really enjoy the whole thing. Until after until you're in New York on rounders and then after that when you went off and did fight club like like you said to me during that because of somewhere on remember you turn to because it was such a learning experience and you said just you know you're gonNA be on a lot of people who become famous the first two years people come famous. They're kind of useless. Do you remember saying saying that the first year comes famous. They're useless. Don't ever worry about with someone doesn't if I hear it was great because you would just come through you. Were just on the side of that it kind of did you get to enjoy it. Then no I I mean and the funny thing was rounders was really fun. I thought Around is really was like a spot. A lot of of lightness and fun and kind of You know because obviously like I remember we said we shot in some bar on Eighth Avenue and sixteenth or seventeenth street or eighteenth and Nineteenth Street. I don't remember which Bar Billy's topless when when no no no wasn't billy's topless note all the way west and also that was sixth avenue with Microcephaly. Yeah no we shot on Tenth Avenue and in the teens just north of Chelsea market. It was the bar where Matt and Martin Landau. Of course. I don't remember what it was and I wasn't in the scene but I did something else earlier that night and I was just it was because that was done it was New York I was done. It was like go to my apartment. It was like go but I didn't want to. I was like I'm hanging because Landau I think it was Landau's Dow's first night right. Yeah or something like yeah maybe it was last night whatever and it was like it was like it was like you guys were there. Teddy was there air Madden Marlin the whole. Yeah and everybody was there and it was cold and I remember in between takes like or whatever Landau I. I remember one night in particular that we were standing on the corner and everybody was sort of in big big coats and land was telling stories about James James Dean but he still laugh because he did. He did that whole thing. Where he's like? Well being my Jimmy and we would go up to them. To this roadhouse et the tour and we would do this thing I would say Jimmy we go to these things and he would say mark. We gotta do this thing. And I'm GonNa Jimmy. We gotta do this Jimmy Dean the new like luggage nine minutes about something I would do with my pal. Jim Jimmy and we do this we do that and then he would pause and look around the circle like Jimmy Dean and I laughed so hard cleopatra that Patras Elizabeth Taylor Learn and Richard. So that was. He's in that he is some small thing in and he goes he goes you know I was the only one in the makeup trailer with the two of them and I was the only one who knew what was going on like whatever and he would constantly and I was like you know you're barely able to hold onto what that it is so anyway. That was fun and then And then did you get the fight club script in the middle of that. Yeah it was a cross that same same fall was across the same fall when we were rehearsing. And whatever and he's he sent it to me and I read it and I knew it was great and I that was all that things sort of to me. In that moment things sort of click start clicking a little bit like in the sense of you know like okay this this is I'm I'm okay to start to get into gear and enjoy myself and and rounders was Super Super Fun and and And then You know it's funny to dyke details. I had this very funky apartment for a while on on rounders I had I still. I lived in New York since college after college but I got this during rounds. I got this little apartment. That was a tiny tiny. Any little Brown's was named brands at one of those two story. You know the you know the greasy spoon diner in the village on Hudson on Hudson called Bonbonniere of course. Yeah like right right by Jane Street right and we're very close to there right now and and and there are these tiny little things that are from the eighteen. Hundreds hundreds there two stories tall across the street and I had this little apartment. That was very funky. Likes super suit. You could literally imagine like Bob Dylan and suzy core Yang hang there. Yeah of course it really. Is that kind of joint. Creaky old stairs and weird and everything that all the time when I walk around here by the way and I and every time I go by there now and the funny anything is in motherless Brooklyn scene of me and Willem in the diner when he says I'm hungry buy me dinner. We go in the diner. It's we use Bonbonniere and It's that really pretty Edward Hopper you looking shot at the start of the glass in our thing and the whole night. We wish it was snowing the night we shot there with William you know and I live three blocks from there. Karen Willing lives like two blocks from there and we were both kind of just going isn't it. Isn't it fun to like work in New York and things that we got talking and I said you know I live cry. I lived literally right there across the street and he goes. Oh that's funny I lived. I lived right here around the corner and it was Kinda like the you know the. It's amazing to work in a place where you've worked and you see ghosts of yourself like goes to myself on these sets and doing these things thanks and the and the thing is like rounders to You know so that apartment and the the places we work than the details tells of it or are so funny because remember the Blackberry it wasn't even called blackberry was called rim. That was the original company that made the blackberry but at the rim had the original little black pager it was the led screen. It was just a black rectangular pager that you could text on row. I don't it wasn't that firm and it had it had the blackhawks I had by then a little phone from my record Biz days like I definitely had no. We had phones Motorola flip phone but this was they came out with their texter and it was. It was a small rectangular thing with the great thumb keypad. That blackberry was. That's what everybody loved but all you do is text and that had one and so I was like an I got one and David Blaine lies just met David which is another another interesting thing for. I met David on rounders because you would just ask him right there. Yeah because I I met him through a lean Keshishian the agent who had given me the rounder script and she represented him and I said and he was like a kid practically and I said you know. Hey I gotta do this thing where I get caught bottom dealing and you know. Can you show me that. And he and he said like I'd love you know he was like I'd love to help you in any way and I was like can you. Just show me shuffles. Can you show me like enough to look good. And he was like a bomb dealings really hard and David said. We'll I'll show you stuff enough but I you should really just meet Steve Forte. And David Introducing Steve Forte. Who is the all time? Great manipulator of cards with the purpose purpose of cheating. Yes he's written. Second dealing bottom dealing. David was like literally nobody better David. Come up with the ACE thing. Herded Steve Come up with the ACE thing. Housing know if you remember when you first see Matt you're really good and you and I know how yeah you get. It kept. Who came up with that David? That was David. Yeah I remember you coming up to us and saying I know how to do the thing. And what's funny is what's funny is actually jumping forward and connective. Like that's when I became friends with David and then when we did the illusionist David Ricky jet. I mean Ricky Rick Ricky. He obviously was our main Dave Levin and I went to Ricky and Michael Weber and then you had no no and I went to. I spent all the time with Ricky in L. A.. Ah Fifty two. We went to fifty to fifty two assistant assistance together on the west side. Me You in Libya at the Geffen playhouse. The movie yeah but but when they work in New York New York New York took a whole year Renan age one of US went onstage as the assistant. Yeah whatever that that's wild that's really wild. I but but David David again really specifically when I was showing the film he was like this. You know obviously you're he said you're already working with Ricky and Michael in there like the kings of the period nineteenth century historical stuff and everything but when I said to him when we were working on the illusionist and I thought the the orange trick the thing of the tree. The mechanical are intrigued. Growing out of the pot and the whole thing. I had a notion that I wanted to do something fluid with the orange in my hand and I was talking to David about that and he goes. Oh let me show you Michael Motion and so David. David showed me all the old videos of Michael Motion. The juggler who won a Macarthur Genius Award and you saw Michael Motion doing those things where a ball seems to roll roll around his fingers and and I was like well. How do you think I could even do like one bit of that? Like the thing we put it on his fingers and it rolls across and and David basically like D.. David knew some of Michael motions techniques for the handball stuff and he worked with me on that. I have a few things that I want to get. Make sure that we get to re related to two things that you've said that I can just come out of one of those is we really talking about is the beginnings innings of building a creative community that you could lean on and and and who all could lean on you too and for David Lavina and me VAT that is probably in a certain way one you know one of if not the greatest thing that came out of that time was that all of us because we were young together and because we had a lot of the same intentions I would consistently check in with each other sheriffs scripts with each other through creative problems is and and I I remember runaway jury which is Hilarious have never talked about that on the show them when Grisham on But Dave and I were at a weird spot career strike was coming. We didn't really want originally. We were like Oh. We don't think we're the right guys. Do this and then agent made the same call to us that Lemay to you. You Tom Strickler was like you have to do this if you do this. And you are able to deliver a green light draft. You will then be the kind of writers they can come to for. He was like there's is a math and say he goes. There's a math reason why you need to do runaway jury and David and I said we called you because we knew that you you had. We didn't call you to be in it. We knew it was very clear you weren't going to be in runaway jury but we called you and we said why did you ultimately want to go off that movie and what do you think. Because we knew you'd studied it and we respected your take on scripts so much and I remember you said because the main character you really take it. Apart doesn't have personal incentive. He's not connected to the problem and if that guy doesn't have his own reason he can't go through all this just because his whatever and I remember we had this like our long Combo Ombo with you and at the end of it. We understood what we don't bear the lead. It was literally library the lead. Look if this guy's GonNa give you said like either you make the woman's ends care either. The the other character has to be the character on the jury. It's the dude then. That guy has to have his own reason and you know again. We're all young and I was still in our thirties thirties. And you unlocked it for us. Which and and we've all done that for each other and I don't know there's something I don't know of people understand that there? Is this creative community in. Haven't you found you've gotten tremendous value out of that. Not just with us with this cold sort of cohort of appears. Here's yes although it's funny because like I think I I think on rounders you guys were the nexus like even though Jon Dahl came on and even though all these actors came on the truth of that whole thing emotionally is that you guys were the nexus. It was your thing It just was and and and because it was fun for all of us but a career inflicting moment women for you guys you re you derived the network out of it more than the the rest of us in the sense that. So you're at the hub. Everybody else state. You stayed connected to Matt to me you know Mount or Teddy All of it. All you built these threads of connection and and we've done illusionist. You guys the runaway script gripped said stuff like that you guys unlocked models Brooklyn script issues for me when I was struggling with that. But what's funny but I don't you know L. A. Community. That's not a community. That's not a community that I built but but it's a IT'S A. It's you guys built a network work. That's that you've expanded talking more about that whole period of time for you and the way that I'm not sure people know that sure you go from movie to movie as we all go from project to project and build these but I'm talking about in general Vit- There's a creative community of people that you've built. Yes but but what I was getting to. Who is what's interesting is what's happened with you guys what we were doing that you know Matt had a good will? Hunting was exploding at that exact moment right and and and Matt and Ben and Casey and and you know the the the th they ear their crew like was lighting up into a thing that is still there you know that that's like all of their thin right there. There club there clicked their their crew And and I went on I went on over to fight club and you you know one of my great experiences without a doubt not just like what the film became but just it was just funny and fun and vital and we were making making things about with love those guys but fincher and Brad had already and sustained from Lake. They they they they they they were like a you know they they were a a team. You know what I mean and and Dave. They've used they've they have this alliance. That's gotten a lot done. They got a lot done together. You know what I mean over the years and everything and I I have frequently gone through and by the way I felt this way in high school. That's weird like I was a floater. Like I never. I never had a group of friends in high school rally complete floater. No like I I. I was always like I was always on the margins and an that was not true in college. I had. Yeah and that's my my deepest bench of friends. The the people I met when I was eighteen are my tightest longest group but But in the movies it was funny I would sometimes like like move around and be like I can see. I can see that that happens. That there's like alliances of people and you think about like Redford and Newman or you think about like The cohens and like their crew. And you're just sort of going like like you know the dream. The dream of every actor I think is to be in repertory company. Right now is to be part of a theater Troop that was part of my romance for sure. was like literally going back to when I was in college and read about Orson Welles for the first time when I I read. I don't even know Melvyn Douglas's brochure. Sure whichever is the book. I know. Melvin Douglas of course. I don't know right that it was him getting the best wells book is the Henry Jagua if you haven't read that yeah that's the greatest but I I I remember thinking my God. He was twenty five years old. He was twenty five years old and he he was more adult from time he was eighteen or nineteen the most people but still he was very very very young man but what he did when he got his his shot to be a winner kind kid and direct a movie and he made this thing is he took. All of his New York Theater Radio people and brought them across into to citizen Kane Agnes moorehead judge cotton all these people that he knew knew him weren't GonNa like look look down their nose at him like some snotty kid that he he was already he was already he already had a troop. You know what I mean. And he and he took them across Senate like that always made me go. That's what you want. You want like you want people who you don't have to prove yourself to you know what I mean. Who who who kind of do things? But when I but when you're talking about community I like had made great like you guys were D- John Curran when I went and made The painted veil with him and another movie two movies with him. Yeah you know and I I really you know I wanted to keep working with him or whatever but we but it's funny like I until I started working with wes anti-stalking with wes. I really did not. I have never once working in Hollywood. Felt like I was in a group a group or in the cool kids club like I always felt that Nadya partly like being a New Yorker and never totally buying into being out there or the nature of the things I did like I couldn't be more tight with David McKenna. Who wrote American History Acts We? We went through the fire. Hire together right bonded forever. You know what I mean like an But he does his thing. You know there's I have great like histories with people all but an but in less I've done my own thing I never I had to create my own ones like i. I you know on motherless Brooklyn I had to like pull together but you have. I mean you did make your production company with your like best friends for life in and do yeah And well it's fascinating that you've felt like West is west is you're part of that world. Thing was the one that I most sort of felt felt like in a weird invited into what is more fun to talk about than the New Yorker. Here's here's thing I talk about the New Yorker with my friends with the people I make television with with amy. My wife with our kids are grown. Kids we talk about the New Yorker all the time because the New Yorker has the most compelling articles that any you can find anywhere and I'll tell you something to to me. It represents the best writing in America today they also hold people in power accountable through reporting and compelling storytelling honestly. That sounds dry when I say it like that. They just look at the world they understand the world they understand power dynamics understand. I want to say these are specific ethic writers who are experts who spent years training themselves to be able to look complex situations. Take them apart and understand and the inequities understand all of the different power dynamics and the thing is you read the New Yorker and you have a great time while you're doing it you also maybe I'll pick up the magazine because there's an article about a film. I'm interested in or a particular news story but then I mean you know maybe I will go oh to the site because there's a specific article I want. I want to read about you know a movie that I'm interested in or an album or a book or a particular political story story but soon I'll find myself getting lost in things I didn't even know I was interested in at all beforehand. I mean I I you end up. Finding reading. Tens of thousands of words on subjects like The dinosaurs last down Earth or an indigenous tribes fight for their home. These are incredible writers writing about important and crucial stuff in a way that is gripping and and really fun and you can get twelve weeks six bucks plus the New Yorker tote bag home delivery the print edition each week unlimited access to New Yorker Dot Com ten to fifteen an exclusive site only stories every day access to the APPs online archive crossword puzzle and more get twelve weeks to Newark or for just six bucks. Plus the exclusive tote go to New York dot com slash moment summit listeners save fifty percent when they enter moment New Yorker dot com slash moment. I want to cover a couple of other things that are really related to you one and I wanNA firsthand talk about this idea that you monkey with scripts and I just Wanna I wanna I wanna give you a writer's perspective and then talk through because when you showed up on the first first movie now movie rounders showed up on on the first movie. I remember you came up with five of the best lines in the movie and and That wasn't monkeying with the script. And I remember the being a writer and around the first day you came up to David me and you said something like I have an idea for this. Maybe maybe the line isn't this that and the rhythm and rounders is so specific and I remember having a moment of panic back which is where any of these disagreements come from is creative panic where you're worried the ground is gonNA fall out from under you and I and and then David I just saying to you. Hey Pants anything anything off of us. If we can have a relationship where you're gonNA come up with thing if a line feels weak and you have a better line if we can then say to you. We don't think that one's better keep going and I don't know how much you remember this but I remember we would get in this rhythm where sometimes we'd say. Hey Dude does reason this has to be like the way it is because it plays in these three ways and you went. Oh Yeah of course done or you would say something like snow snowing Pirogies and Shit and and I find your contributions to be so additive and that if somebody meets you I just WanNa say just like on the record with you here like if somebody meets you from a place of security and a place of trying to make the work better. It's a fucking looking delightful experience to work with you and and it only makes the end result better but I think if somebody comes from a place of holding on incredibly tightly then it can be difficult because of the part of you. That's like Lionel in motherless Brooklyn because what I see can you tell the story about line and you say well it's an actor you see all sorts of reasons why the character was appealing to you. But I see having watched you and thought about this stuff. A lot is your like Lionel. Aren't you in that if thing like if you can hold when you get something in your head that it's not landing ending right in creatively in store. You're trying to tell as an actor. I just think you have to chase it down until it feels right. Yeah yeah the the there is a bit in the movie where he talks about in motherless Brooklyn he talks about how he can't stop doing a thing if it doesn't sound right And that that's what's that that that comes from A thing I saw in a documentary the member Chris Jackson NBA player Mimo Mohammed Abdul. What what did he isn't that the name Mohammad Roof? Yeah right sorry I forgot in. Ah I'm pretty sure I think you're right I. I didn't know him as a player. I wasn't tuned into him as a player. Yes but in the documentary about people with Terrell. He was still Chris. Four so He talks about the reason he has threats. In the reason he became A one of the reasons he became a great free throw shooter was that he couldn't stop. He couldn't leave practicing free throws until he hit ten in a row. The sound of the net was exactly right out and I remember thinking that's amazing. That's so wild. The big and I really related needed to that like I really related to that. I the compulsive Nisa all my life. Since I was a kid I've had a compulsive impulse else to mimic people to like Zelic like to. If I'm talking to someone with a Chinese accent I start unconsciously. I can't stop myself from like my brain gets completely fixated on what is what are they doing. What is the shape of the mouth? That's producing that sound. And I was talking about this with Larry Wilmore the other day. 'cause he's he's he does impersonations he's so smart and we talked and I really interesting talk about the The being very young and being so obsessed with the sound of people's voices that you're almost like in a movie you're doing a mental mental processing on what does the tongue. Where is the tongue in the mouth? That's producing gnat sound. You know what I mean us and and I think I talked about this with Matt sometimes. Sometimes because Matt's very good at Matt Damon's does great impersonations and stuff and and I remember. I remember sitting in the car when we were doing in The stuff down at Princeton. Or whatever we're sitting in the car and he was doing either Morgan Freeman or Denver with so you guys Rosanna midnight run. We're doing all kinds of things. We were doing different ones but it was funny because He you know kind of everybody does Matt McConnell on a he and I think everybody is pretty good but matches the best if good. Justin long's is really really good. Have you ever heard I believe you. It's really good and Jim Carey. Terraces was not bad either on Saturday night live but there is a this is going down the rabbit hole. But there's this thing You know you know I have a cold hold right now but I I can't do. McConnell has thing was instincts the whistle. He has whistling teeth right. There's the funny thing is Ian mckellen. Has that too like when you're talking to Kessel. Yes it's that sound right and he really does wonderful. You know at He one time said to me When we were both up for the Oscars or something he goes on my dear boy boy? That's I was given this fund and he goes no. It's horrible because I want it. I want it. It really made me laugh and I said Oh well you know I think maybe you're GonNa get it 'cause you know. Tom's got a couple of times and my thing with the swastika. Nick Nolte's The's pretty dark you know You know like I you know it could be your year and nobody had said Ian goes. He said he was fine. So you wonderful. You want to pay anyone as long as it's not that fucking Italian clown no really then of course Scott so you were saying about this obsessed. He was putting. I WANNA say he was being funny But but the thing that I recognized because it does I think is the way that you're misunderstood. Edward which is the when someone is an actor. And they're the reputation is they're gonNA fuck with stuff. It it presupposes that the thing shouldn't be fogged with. And he's suppose is that you came into its saying you wouldn't fuck with it but it also presupposes poses that it's driven by ego and driven by a need to make yourself look good and I've never seen that point. Let's talk. Can you talk about it a little bit. I think I think there's there's layers upon layers of Horsh it in in what you would call like reputational things. The the first is that is what you said that any anybody who's pushing on the work like there's people who are there's people who are exercising themselves. Who knows what they're doing? Forget whether they have the chops are not the intention is about the me. It's it's it's it's it has something to do with assertion of ego if people are working hard learned to put pressure on the piece of coal to turn it into a diamond and that's really what it's about than people outside the trade should just F- right off because they don't understand like the whole thing is a collaborative process of collective pressure. Sure on a thing that is not a thing it is it is a mirage. It's like a a movie and by the way a script is not a movie a script is an armature that movie gets hung. I think it depends but yes I think there are times. This is what I would say like. I remember when you were going to do I. Wes Anderson I remember saying to. You are are are you at your house and I was going to be able to. Just go and say those words and you were like yeah. I read the script. It's what it should be and I'm GonNa go say the words by the way but by the wait in that case it was still an armature. It's still west is armature for what he was going to create. It doesn't changing. Words doesn't change the fact that a script script is not a film like new. There's there's music and there's the weights photograph hundred percent the proscenium quality of films. And there's the costumes and there's also like discovery three of shit that just doesn't work way And and it. It's a frame that you it's a frame that you continue to build the sculpture around and that's just a fact it you you can't project a fucking script onto the screen. You know what I mean. It is photography light. Music is yes. Reading is wasted a script reading quite different than the movie. It Ain't a movie and and it's this layer cake that the meals foreman told me films sculptures and that's the most true thing and he told me that shooting a film is gathering clay. He was Milosz was like yes. Not Not dismissive of scripts but militia like was like the script is like literally a a place a step one on one hundred step journey. He was like he prioritized casting and editing. He was like those are the two most important things in fellows are crucial. And he he you know I'm just saying people have different views of it but the bottom line is the thing that's most choose that it's a sculpture. The script is the the armature the the the the form the frame you gather clay when you shoot shoot you sculpted later you add varnish you add glaze. That's that's what it's like. You know what I mean. And but anyway when people when people work when people's focus is let's make the best thing we can make. Nobody should ascribe automatically the intention shen of ego to it. That's just not the case that there there are lots of people. There are lots of people in our trade who work with a very passionate intensity on the thing itself. I've worked with Julie. Taymor I've worked with David. fincher of worked with like Spike Lee. Eh Alejandro do like if you think. Those people aren't ball busters lake. You know and I've worked with with writers who were who were being pushy demanding whatever worked with actors who are being demanding like but when people are working on the thing when they're when you know what they're doing is is carrying investing and bringing to it depth breath of thought. And Care you just have to respect that. I know there are many many many films where the process this is. Full of of struggle of different kinds even interpersonal creative struggle. That ends up where and and if the people are all good always they shake hands and go. That was that was that was congressional right. Yes David I always talk about. When you've been in the wars with people by you are bonded? Yeah no matter what as you go through that absolutely and and and when you when you when you argue even and get to the end and shake hands and go and go you know respect man. You're you take the Syria Eh. You take this seriously we did it. And and I think you know what could be better like. Honestly what could be better you want to be in a grownup trade or are you WANNA and I guess I guess it makes sense to me because David and I have this process ourselves first. Because they're two of us. Yeah so we are talking about this stuff and trying China improve and really check it. I would say the only thing I mean people who are secure yes to your point. People who who who are in their own shoes on their own footing almost never resent work. I Thrill I would say there are terms. I would say you can set the terms of engaging right on a certain project. You won't say hats it too so so the thing is the other the other you know the big distortion the huge distortions. That comes in on on like an act say is what were the terms of engaged in terms of engagement. Our kids beyond beyond key because because when someone in When someone says I need you in on this thing you know I need you in on it and you say to them yes no yes no right this is name? Shame why and you say because because in my opinion these things don't work it doesn't work for me and they say we're GonNa fix that together her and may say I want you to be not only a part of that in some cases they say a yes or yeah take a pass is or whatever and that gets reduced down to. He gets in people's faces fully valid. I think war or he monkeys scripts. It's like Hey Mojo monkeying with the script the studios paying me a weekly for five weeks to do a punch punch up on this. That ain't especially if you especially want to say I think it is perfectly valid for an artist a writer director writer producer to say. We're GONNA make this. I've thought about this for really long time. The rhythm of these words really matter to me. I'm not very interested in changing it. You WanNA come. Yeah and then if that is what every film if done with Wes Anderson at the right. Yeah it's like I want to do this and then if you say yes. Those are the terms engagements right and I've seen I'm saying I've seen you do that and be like great. Let's go to work but also we. You're also so getting into the territory of what I would call like so so the terms of engagement are are never ever are never given context you know like any any stories in these stories that come out. The terms of engagement are never given context the the the truth of the truth of the fact that the good lots of the people who have real chops are never in the end in intractable or offended that that only insecure people all who often don't really have any jobs And we're lying about what the terms of engagement were people who'd be about at this stuff. I know I agree with you and and And the other thing is is that this sort of is the other other thing is like like so you know like on Americans reacts for instance. There's all this story about like conflict on that rate Descriptive that movie was written by David McKenna. David McKenna it was. It was edgy. And it had a whole drug subplot it and all this stuff it wasn't. It wasn't the full on Shakespearean tragedy that we made it and I thought it was full of potential but I thought it had a lot of Lake Mill. You you fat on it and it had this thing that was not being realized which was like it was it could be a fellow it could be. Macbeth could be completely focused on. How rage destroys a person right? There was no prison sequence. That's amazing there was flashbacks to a lurid image of him being slammed against the wall and rape. That's it there was not one bit in David's original script was about the nature of what had transpired in the prison isn't that had changed him and we sat down and everything he's the best. David is the best and he when we talked for a long time. About all these things he lit lit up and he was like. Oh my God dude. Like let's fucking go. Let's go and and he said to me he was like let's tear this thing apart. Helped me out. I WANNA make it I want to do with you Blah Blah Blah any said just one thing is this is my first script. It's really important to me. It's a career making moment for me. Whatever we do I don't care he goes right? Do whatever I need this. You know this is my script script and I was like and I literally put my hand out like dude done right. I corps all I want to. Let's do much done. We worked for like months and months and months together every day. Him Writing me writing doing these things we worked on that and turned it into into the thing we wanted to do right. Yes we wanted to do. I would no more betray David like the rules of engagement. I live with us. I want to say on ranters remember you literally said I remember. We're standing outside the country club. Were that first scene with with you and Matt in that Long Long Crescent shaped drive within and you said if I think I can find something. Funnier I'M GONNA try to say if you guys want me to go back to the script I'll go back the script. Whatever and it was like hey and like I say I think there are? There are five or six lines in the movie that I know David and I'm so fucking happy that during the movie and then the rest of it is exactly the script that we wrote and but but the thing is the thing is that that's unfamiliar. New Line. They we we. We started making a movie with Tony. Tony told me Tony told me in David I have no. I have no experience with narrative literally whatsoever. He said I'm I I understand the moment. He say things like I'm a photographer injured in a moment and he was like he used to say I leave that to you guys. I leave that to you guys. He goes I think this is fantastic. I know what to do with this. And for all of Tony's like what does he did he had he had a great. You know he's amazing for as great. I a great sense of things. He wanted to use the photo. Sonic cameras on the turn. He had he has like amazing visual instincts right and but it was to such a degree that found that he he would pull up he would pull up in his car and take. What are we doing today? And we would say it's the scene at the table with Beverly Dangelo and Elliott Gould. Right Edward if rehearse is it for a while to get it all together when you're already call me right and then he would go do phone calls and I would rehearse essentially like act like director actor rehearse the scene and then we go get Tony and Tony would watch it like an audience and then he would go right. Great Amazing Amazing. Don't anybody move. And he would run around setup lights put the camera on his shoulder and shirt and shoot it and we would go and this was obviously unorthodox and we were all young and I remember thinking well this is great. We're we're all a team where we're this is David. Nye are working the script. I'm sort of handling the wishing that staging of it. Tony's shooting it but Tony was. I could Tony Throughout and on into the editing. He was a person of great emotion and on many occasions he wept like would he would break down in tears and he would give me a hug and say I have never been this supported I have never had and if I can just I just wanted to. I've never had a Collab- I've never we're been supported. I just want to jump a slightly ahead because we have to end soon and I just want to say I'm going to deep into this. No no you're not because here's I want to jump ahead because I saw saw the cut that you had to work from I because I was there I wanted to say like the thing about the rap about you in this way and again as someone who's made movies movies with you and then been around a bunch of them like the cut that exists of American history. X is because because of what you did in the editing room and I know that not because you told me but because I watched you showed me the cuts that existed before and the cut that you not in order to just say because I had objective but also people don't understand like Tony had a commercial editor. Who did this really Gonzo cut? Nobody could make heads or tails of it. Tony got a little insecure. Whatever Tony went off to shoot a commercial it literally in the middle of the whole thing? The whole thing was sort of flatlined literally. No one knew what to do and and I got on the phones and called around. I didn't go in and and cut it. I I went in I went in. I did some stuff to reassemble reassemble stuff. They're trying to into a more full throated away. That it's almost like a script assembling trait just so that an editor would know what we had to work with. And I went went and I got Jerry Greenberg. Who won the Oscar for the French connection Kramer versus Kramer Apocalypse? Now that literally those are his credits. I got that guy to come in and and work on the movie with me and Tony many times in the course of that process Tony wept and said to me like you know like I've never been so supported and everything and I had great love for the guy like he was a very. He's a very eclectic figure and everything but we serving your I just WANNA say watching it it all you wanted. I remember you show David me that original cut and then later cuts and you're like tell me like you were so open. Yes it being told. Here's what we're GONNA so we went through this whole thing and everything. Tony went through Tony went through a struggle to make a thing. Go he he and he and by the way I am. I'm not saying that critically but it's also other things people. It's like what has happened since then. How many how many films has Tony completed since then none and I think he's a great artist? I actually really really do. I think he's a Gr like a great conceptual artist and a great thing. I witnessed him go through a personal struggle to complete a thing of course to complete a thing to let it go these extraordinary talent. He captured that. That's a really incredible. And what happened to save. What's happened is not not an argument between me and Tony? What happened is Tony? In my opinion he's struggled to let it go. He struggled to do what. Frances Coppola says an abandoned abandoned. Your film like don't you don't finish it. You abandon it. Coppola still recording apocalypse. Forty years later and I will literally watched Tony go through at the exact moment that people after thirteen months of post that Mike Deluca in Bob Shaye went guys. It worth it. Congratulations what a visceral thing. And I literally watched it dropped through. Tony o'malley God this. This it's over. This is over and he kind of lost his mind a little bit like he didn't want to let it go and I and I I sympathized list but in the end the the argument that developed such as it was. Actually I think it was just a person acting out sort of flailing a about confronting the logistical realities of how long you can work on a thing and having to let it go and and it actually initially was was kind of this. Data is provocation between him in the studio that I literally I could point to the single article in entertainment weekly clearly the the tagged me with it and from there forward. Is this whole story. This whole on. regattas door hell it in the way that it was like but to me. There's there's a thing in that that's that's interesting. which is we weren't in the Click Bait World Than Yup but we are in this world? We're in a world today. Where where where there's only been since then an intensification of of reductive ISM right? We we reduce. We always reduced things but two things have happened. One is there is in our culture horribly. There's this people like to create narratives of antagonism they liked to create narratives antagonism. And I talked about this the New York Times when I talked about it. But the the Russian the Russian military intelligence units of the GRU are literally working to foment don't conflict in America that is now documented fact. It's in the Miller report we have we have people outside our country working to destabilize. Our country by intensifying social conflict. Okay it is literally like spectre in James Bond. Just just so discord right but we also have These new economies of online advertising that have led to a Click Bait Click bait journalism which is literally. What words can we put together? That will make a person click on spike your blood pressure so it's like the tabloids on crack right and what and what gets done out of that. Is that like if Martin Scorsese says says something that as a man in his seventies with a full career he. He says something that he's every right to say and it gets reduced post to an assault literally like they they they make it like one of our great elder statesmen and philosophers about film. Film has literally balled up his fists in Punch someone in the face and it's just it's grotesque it's really grotesque it's really it's grotesque to due to to create conflict where it doesn't exist for the purpose of getting people to hit on things and punch comes through in read so that you can run ads but people have got to realize like people even people in our industry. I think people have to realize like we're being manipulated added. We're being manipulated. All the time into believing that that fights exit that there fights all over the place where there. Aren't you know what I mean. I'm and this is why and I'm going to end here. You're right about fight club. All along. That Fight Club was a movie that people needed to see and understand because it presaged the whole culture. It really did in many ways. PRE-STAGE the culture and I will say the first time I saw fight club. I didn't get it at all and as we do each other. I told you the truth. And you're like you're wrong. I fully remember. You're going you're wrong and and then see. I didn't even remember what you were saying. When you say you're right like I Yeah because then a year later I saw it again and I was like Oh my God is the best movie of All Times that does happen before we started this and this is where I want to end Edward because we before we started this you and I were talking about sort of about motherless Brooklyn and and about the business realities or something like that and what I was about to say but I wanted to hold for now is the one thing that's really occurred to me By doing this for so long. Is that what the game. You're playing isn't about what people think of your movie today. It's about about what this work means. And the way in which this works GonNa be related to years later because if I think about fight club if I think about rounders if I think about about American history x but I think about so many things you've done they over time your instinct for what is capturing a moment in time that that might be recognized in its time but that comes to be recognized. It's pretty unerring. And and that's why I think you're one of the great movie artists of our time. Well thank you I. I will say that I think To claim that's by design though is not true. No no no not by yeah. People People texting people externally assess like careers. And then it's almost like they take the data points they impose a shape on the more narrow humans. We have to order things that happened but they but they but I think that I think I tend to get interested in things that I find provocative intellectually or spiritually or whatever or or the like I feel resonate with the moment. I've definitely it's produced. I can't lie and say it doesn't produce. There's an emotional Beta in it. Of course because you invest very heavily in with the conviction that the inch the the thing has a weight and a even in entertainment value and then there does seem to me to be a pattern of like you know things the things that have a lot of complexity and a lot of sustaining power. And everything don't necessarily our Tuft distill surly connect right away. There's some of the toughest ones to market and they don't end and you can be as thick skinned as you want but as a human being with a brain in ego that lives in the Matrix of an industry that measures ashort term success Financial Success You you you. You're subjecting yourself to this constant process of like do you know 'cause it's funny I mean I've done films that did really well. Even films like the illusionist that didn't make one hundred million dollars majored hundred worldwide. We made the movie so cheap that it was it was a big hit race an anti some great when when when Grand Budapest has pops off and it's like you know of course West is biggest. That's always nice and you know Birdman is a weird weird movie really weird movie not a highly highly accessible mainstream movie and it broke. It broke through enough not crazy. It made fifty million bucks in the US but at one best picture any did well it. It ended up being as weird movie as ever made a dime of profit right. And and that's that's nice when when those things happen but like allow the ones in the stack up of films I've done that. Generally make the top of the list whether it's clever twenty fifth hour or whatever they N- not not only were in like words Matrix Even the weren't financially successful and and it all it always stinks. You know it always like now. You can't can't help it like it. It's not to sit to act like you know I'd like to. I'd like to think like Bob Dylan doesn't care ever about what was successful in the pop matrix in the course of his career. I wonder if I wonder if you know over the course of career he he had his moments of just going like I know I'm relevant or I know I'm admired but God damn look at what's making money these days like you know what I mean. Of course no. Because he's he's well disciplined artists who who holds himself close he holds of course of course. Of course it's going to hurt and sort of wrap it up. I'm GonNa say this since these things can unhurt. Go See motherless Brooklyn. Don't hurt Edwards feelings goes. It's a great movie. It's really worth your time. Go to the movie theater. So that more movies like this get made aide as these ghosts and Edward. Thank you for giving me one of the most special dinners. I've ever had in my life last night. When you Bruce Springsteen I won't say anything else about it but the fact at that happened and was a surprise was like the greatest thing of all time and folks Ed you you you you you you were very you kept yourself? I can't say it was very very hard and the no no no just when when it was over I did go home and I was like I actually got through that I thank you thank you for that. It was amazing and motherless Brooklyn is fantastic and everyone should go see it. Edward is on twitter there. He will tweet sometimes. Are you on instagram now. Yeah I I hardly I I confess to just using these things in a very Lazy Z.. Task that's fine. But he's there on twitter. You can find me up Ryan Kaufman. You can even leave the moment k.. At Jim L.. Dot Com. Thanks a lot for listening. Everybody Cenex Time Yeah.

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Missy Robbins & Sean Feeney  - 02/04/20

The Moment with Brian Koppelman

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Missy Robbins & Sean Feeney - 02/04/20

"Hey this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. I'm so psyched to have my friends. Sean Feeney missy Robbins events here I got sean over the last couple of years and Missy Right afterwards. They are the partnership behind due to the best restaurants in New York. And I would say in the country Lilia and Missy Mris the chef and Sean is the business business person in front of House but their story of how they came together where they were in their lives. When this all started happening is inspiring and fascinating fascinating to me and also an excuse? I get to spend time with. Them is great for me so Welcome we're so happy to be here missy. I'm GONNA try talk less than I usually do on the podcast. Because there's two of you but also because I you know I don't know that every people are that familiar with your story and even missy in your bio which leaves out sort of you know it says. Oh you went from voce where you were famous New York chef to sort of figure out your new restaurant but I really want you to talk about what was going on in those couple of years and and Which which I know you've written about some but I would love to talk about it because so many of us struggle with so many of the same things so in terms of figuring out who we are as we're trying to move forward so he's talking about your journey to New York to cook and I don't talk for ten minutes but just talk about how you got to to that place and then we'll bring Sean and how how how you guys came together? Yeah definitely I I at the point that I left voce in two thousand thirteen and I had been cooking for twenty years and I needed a break and I didn't. There were a few things going on. I had this incredible credible twenty year career. I had done amish training in New York for the most part I had gone to Italy to to kind of delve into that world. I it came back I worked at a hotel called the Soho ground. which many people don't know I worked at and it was actually a kind of significant part of my career from remote from a business perspective and understanding management management and numbers? And I then got this incredible job in Chicago Working with Tony Montesano at speech And took off and left for five years from New York which was tough for me but I knew it was the right career move and I knew in order for me to get back into find dining from from where I was. I wasn't going to be able to do that in New York at the level that I could do in Chicago and I just. I loved Tony when I met him so I picked up I moved to Chicago but but three weeks after Chicago. I kind of in Chicago. I kind of knew that it was never gonna be my long-term home but I stayed for five years because of the job and my brother lives there and he had both of his children when I in the first year and a half that I was there and there was a lot of exciting things going on and it was worth staying until I found the right thing in New York and I I thought that right thing was going to be going back and opening my own restaurant and Tony was going to help me and I was flying back and forth to New York and looking at real estate which I had no idea what I was doing And then this job of Oj came along and it was an incredible opportunity to both takeover. The original uh-huh Che which opened in two thousand seven. And I took it over in two thousand eight and to open the approach and Columbus Circle which was curated. This incredible collection sean of restaurants and I was going to get to work underneath the place. Were Thomas Keller was and at the time that seemed very exciting to me If you asked me today today it wouldn't matter but So I took. This was the height of the height of fine dining and they were putting all these chefs in there and and I felt included in in this weird way and I was like Oh cool I I felt picked. That's that's correct and I took the job and it was. I really hard and really intense and for many reasons I took over the original From Andrew Carmelina. Who is the hottest chef in New York at the time and I was relatively unknown in New York? I mean people Kinda knew who I was from Chicago but not really and Taking taking over that kitchen was probably the hardest thing I've done in my career. Harder than opening. Either of the restaurants not feeling picked. Ah I andrew staff was still there Very talented group of people who are really really amazing talented but they were so loyal to him and and they stayed sort of they were waiting for him to open something and they stayed. I think are respected. We're waiting for LACONDA Open. I mean no one will say that out loud but the this is crucial right. You know you have a series of skills and you're excited to make it your own and you walk in as a woman in New York kitchen. Yeah and how long until you got the feeling of fuck a four minutes. They just they were so loyal to him and it was so obvious and everything. How did it manifest while a see Da da Da da Has Been on this podcast. And he's a legend. Dan Yorke mark on different leadership. Styles understand Andrew and I didn't know each other and this has nothing to do with the hand. Never met him. It was just this feeling and gradually gradually so that I started in September and sort of by February everyone had trickled out and I started bringing in my own people and the second I started bringing in my own people and these were all a new people. They weren't like I didn't have a collection of sous chefs because I hadn't had this kind of position so really had to build a team from scratch and and once I started building it was great. I found the people that were right for me. That really like my food that wanted to be there and that makes a huge difference and then things started rolling thing but then once I got comfortable with the first coach I had to open the second of oce which was a really large stage for me and sort of to me. What I thought was going to be this like if I screw this up? I'm dead in New York moment. And how did this all affect you personally though like were you taking care of yourself you know so I stated of Oj for five years and and over those five years. I think I got progressively less healthy and I was not aware of it. I look back at Ed at pictures of myself or Google myself once in a while just to remind myself of sort of where I was and where I am. Now Oh and I I get pretty mad at myself and like how. How could no one say anything? Why didn't anyone say anything? Why doesn't why you know my best friend who lives in California? She's the only one who said a name. Probably only one who could get away with saying anything But she at one point said like. I'm really I'm worried about your health but but this was pretty towards this was after I left and the decision to leave was wasn't one hundred percent about health. It wasn't one hundred percent in about opening a restaurant. It was this sort of I. I don't I need a break. One hundred percent so I need a break I need to figure out what I WANNA do. Next evoke as not the right place for me. It it forward in my career in this incredible way and I- honed myself as a chef theran as a creative and a leader in the kitchen. Every night I was there. Yeah every night. Five six nights a week and how many hours a day you work in that job solid twelve to fourteen right right fourteen six days a week. Yeah six days and it was really unhealthy. My Body hurt but to me. And it's so weird to say this now now. Six years later like to me. That was norm. The norm was. You worked that much. The norm was it. Didn't matter if your body hurt because you were trying to be an amazing chef and and you would do anything to to be able to compete in that field rewards that for you when you're doing it right because we we keep doing behavior that's horrible dos. If there are certain there rewards were having busy restaurants and finally getting recognition after twenty years of being shot by the fact that you were called chefs in New York during that time. Yeah people were singing your praises. I would also say to that. She was incentivized in a way where she had to meet these very finite goals and that's what she attributed success to such as has reviews. If you got a certain amount of stars you gotTa Bonus if you got a Michelin Star if you got a eater. If you've got one star you would get had a bonus and I think she was attributing success in those those very material goals. WHOA wasn't fundamentally? I just wanted to be the best of the best and I wanted to compete on the level with all these great at the time I mean I not even necessarily anyone in New York but people I had worked with in the past I mean ah I worked for an Rosenzweig when I when I was in my twenties and she was in her forties at the time and was running these two restaurants and and coming from Biagio. Tony had this restaurant that at the time I started was twenty five years old and it just turned thirty five and he had this longevity engevity and sort of like the people I've worked for but even like Andrew like I saw this that he had shower. You came from and I saw a lot of younger people opening restaurants before me and I had this goal noticed that because when I started cooking at twenty two I was like Oh. I'm going to open a restaurant I'm thirty and then that didn't happen. I never knew that part. It's like a silly goal because like where did that come from. Where did I make came from ambition? Just just pure ambition. I I was an ambitious young cook and you went. You went to Georgetown. I did and not a lot of people from George Tenet becoming cooks. No there were two of us in the kitchen. He defected the second. One defected after a year and as finance. Still today a little more. I think he had a lot of family pressure and my family. It was like do your thing do what you WanNa do. We support you. What made you start cooking because so I can understand how ambitious and takes over? 'cause you're Georgetown person you're very smart. You're driven if you're cook you're going to be the fucking best. When when did you first get lit up about? It was like a long along kind of thing that my parents were really into travel and we lived an hour and a half from New York City and special occasions were always spent it old restaurants like the four seasons and I was into. Yeah but I was into it from a dining perspective. I loved the whole thing. I loved the service. I love turning over the dishes and seeing where they were from which I learned from my mother who grew up in the resort business. I I loved just like looking at how the menu was written. I loved the whole thing. It wasn't just about food but but it was a meal in Nineteen ninety-three during Thanksgiving Charlie trotters that kind of sealed the deal and a friend of mine who went who I grew up with went to north western and started cooking there after her senior year. And we ate there my family and I and I said at the end of that meal okay. I'm done this is what I wanna do to me. was like Okay Pallet. At that time no my palate has taken years to develop. I wasn't like a neatly lightly innately skilled. I was driven and I wanted an. I'm competitive so I'm told by many people And I wanted to be the best asked it wasn't about. I was good in the kitchen when I started and I and I moved okay but I didn't know anything. I didn't know anything. I didn't know how to hold a knife. I didn't know how to do this. I didn't know I didn't know how to to do anything but I was first job. My first job was at a restaurant above my college bar called seventy-nine and the tombs very famous George Learn. How do I knocked on the door and asked if they would hire me and you hadn't really been cooking? I had never cooked cooked at home. I admit Pasta with Broccoli. And that's it. Yeah unbelievable but ah the competitive. We're bringing you in one second trump. But I'm really excited. I'm really interested in this because I've lived this thing. Where then you get the thing you want the super high profile spot now and it doesn't bring you joy now I was pretty? I what happened in your head. How do you accept? How did you start talking to yourself to think there was so much pressure there? I didn't I didn't necessarily have the support that I needed. And the mentor ship. I needed And I think there were a lot of problems at the restaurant Toronto. I was never staffed enough. We had staffing issues. And I think all of that pressure led me to not be the leader. I wanted to be and led me to you. You know it trickles down if you don't feel supported than you're not supporting your staff and your staff isn't supporting their staff. And I just I just felt like I. I wasn't able to help people in the way I wanted to help them. I wasn't able to mentor people the way I wanted to mentor them and I just realized like there there. There is no doubt in my mind I could have said okay. I'm leaving a voce and I'm going to go get a job and I just knew that I'll work on my restaurant or I'll do this and I just knew something in me. I just knew that if I had done that I'd end up in the same position five years from that and so I yeah. I knew that the only way to really with clarity make a decision about what I wanted to do. was to just leave and have not a plan and take some time to myself and do a brave and some might say stupid but I thought I was making a really lovely salaried laureate voce and I had more money than I personally had ever had to meet. You couldn't working fourteen hours a day. You can't spend it right and you were saying I was is not single for you. Were supported also support supporting anybody else Senate no so I was single and I was making very nice salary and I was making anything bonuses and I and I saved all this money and to me the bank account and I'll never share how much it was but the bank account looked really robust to me. Right I was like okay. I have enough to take a year off but I didn't account for three meals today. I didn't I didn't account for money. No more coming in Palazzo bodies. Did you go to during the week three times three times three times a week pilot but it was awesome in the West Village Lady of Leisure. Right I was having I was was having to write a book. The book came out of like kind of could starting to cook at home and going on weight watchers and changing. I talked to quit so I realized I three days after I laughed. I was like okay. I was burnt out. I had never used those words before. I'd never acknowledged edged it that way but I was like hi. I think I was burnt out and I just had kind of already committed to getting healthy but I stepped on that scale and I was one hundred ninety eight pounds and I was five six. I was heavy and and I felt terrible. I couldn't walk my ankles hurt. My shoulder hurt like I had so many problems and I was like okay I got to do something and I had a free Palaudi session and I was like I'm GonNa try it and see what it's like and then I became like addicted and I started going to a personal trainer three times a week and it changed my life. But I wasn't. I wasn't losing weight because I hadn't changed my diet and I wasn't doing enough cardio so I was like okay and then a friend of mine also chef in Chicago said you should on weight watchers. I just lost thirty pounds and I'm not going on weight watchers. That's not happening. And then he's like just try it. Please try it's a game. You'll love at your competitive. Here's the competitive thing again. He's like you'll love it and I said okay. I'll try it two weeks if I don't lose if I if I don't lose any weight loss I lost five pounds in the first seven days and I was like no stay on this so I stayed on it for a year. I learned to cook in a way. Yeah chain so I changed the way when you guys talk about cooking at home more and I cooking cooking I cooked with the same flavors that I always cooked with but I started thinking differently about how to cook in how to get that flavor into stuff with less fat so like on weight watchers. For instance you have a tablespoon of olive oil equal all six points. I was a lot at twenty three point. Sorry I was allotted twenty six points today of food. That's not very much and I was like the first time I had never measured olive oil before right and the first time I I went to make a pasta for myself and I put the olive oil in the Pan and I said Oh my God coming in a saute garlic. There's oil in here. Like what am I going to do and so I just started like thinking about it and I would add instead dead of Saute garlic I would add anchovy paste or I would start like sauce with tomato paste and water and add garlic to that and simmered in it and I just started. I just I don't know it became. It became a game to me and it became interesting and I realized when I learned to Cook Pasta in Italy. And it's Asha Russia. You just finish it you stand over the stove and you just throw buttering anytime you're throwing more butter and that's to me how you made Pasta. And that's what I did it a voce and and I stopped doing that and I was like wait. A second doesn't taste. It doesn't taste worse. It tastes almost better and cleaner and also weight watchers. Really encourages encourages eating vegetables and eating less meat and eating came. 'cause you restaurants are so there are not vegetarian restaurants. But they're so vegetable lowered amazing West. I started cooking vegetables. The same way might Cook Pasta so I would make Broccoli Rob Rob in tomato sauce. But I wouldn't put the pasta or I put an ounce of Pasta status six ounces of Pasta just learn different tricks and I felt the challenge turned you on did you like did you start liking this kind of cooking or formed menu at Lilia Right now clearly so so you're not only. Did she start getting excited by. But it was also during this time where we were living together in this apartment where you yes so so. You're in this building in the West village. Living your best life figuring out who's going to kill starting to panic about money polly berry so you're panicking panic to your ear leader. I am not panicked at so she literally is living. Bobby axelrod type of lifestyle not living. Bobby axelrod type of lifestyle. I understand that it wasn't a million dollars. I was going out to lunch a lot. I was drinking. Negroni is on my my stoop. I was I before. Watchers are included included in the weight watchers during a lot. Yourself a drink once in awhile. I travelled for a couple of months but at the same time I was trying to figure. what I was going to do with my life and and after after I got back from traveling and after I realized like okay a year is almost up and I had nothing at that's when I started panicking thinking okay so Fini Yep so urine Sean Feeney who I now. So I'll just say Sean you know you're a remarkable. Oh Dude because you have this incredible ability one. You're obviously great partner and you're good at recognizing exceptional in somebody and helping them bring it out and helping make the world safe for them to do what they do your cry we focused on your family. You were your incredible connector of people. You're you're a Network of people rivals mine which is a rare statement I think for that I possibly make but you were in finance at this moment of your life. Let's talk about where you were. What year was this two thousand fourteen so talk about where you were six years ago? What what your life looked like can include your sort of hobby love of food? We were telling me about the other night game. Really give me an whole thing. I'll be assured as possible so you you don't have to be so in two thousand eight. I married my high school sweetheart and we moved into an apartment building on the West in the West village on Grove Bleaker Street and it was right around two thousand nine and I was a massive foodie. I I knew I traded bonds and I always try to lean on what I was good at and I knew that to give myself an edge as as a market maker I needed to have the best relationships and that's what I could do so I happened to do that really well in restaurants and it started out me going to all the steak restaurants in the city and having the relationships with owners the Maitre D.'s. Grow up knowing a lot about food I did very similar to missy. We were fortunate. And I think if you looked on a piece of paper putting missy against me. There's no way we would be France like just very different people but what is very constant and extremely similar that you wouldn't know that our family mom and dad had their biggest investment in family. It wasn't stocks and bonds. Real estate was literally family so a lot of that investment had to be done around the dinner table Sundays. We had massive of family parties at my Mom Almond Dad's house in the Jersey Shore. My Dad had t shirts made feeney's patio bar and on the back. Nearly this is going back to nineteen eighty-four a sunny place for shady. People people like it was just a a hub of hospitality. Every night we came home from school my sister and I would have dinner with my mom and Dad. We wait till my dad. Dad got home and we would celebrate and also all of Life's challenges we would go to restaurants and my mom and dad made sure when we were of age we we would go on vacations a year so those vacations were also the first time that my mom dad traveled to those places too and they had to do with. We're the best food was and they're very curious and they wanted to challenge us to so growing up. I just had this deep respect for food dining out every night whether it was going to squad tavern or the farmingdale house which was a fine dining restaurant in Jersey I I respected the the the hospitality and the food and theater of it all the same way missy did growing up with her mom and dad and I think that when we finally did find each other and and learned about each other. That's probably really. What did it and so my wife and I moved into this apartment building on Grove and bleaker in two thousand nine and missy had moved in a couple couple months before us to take over a voce me being this crazy foodie where everybody on the trading floor every day would say hey fini where do we go for a romantic dinner in Soho? How how did you hook yourself up at these restaurants in New York? People always want to know. What does it mean to become? How do you become before you were Sean Feeney? And well known. How did you in the New York food world? You are well known back then because it's been so much of the firms money and people were seriously what. How do you become regular restaurants? Everyone wants to go granular. So yes absolutely for the first couple of years I was in Manhattan. I was going to all these steak restaurants and and I gained forty eighty pounds. My my grandmother would pinch me all the time and say like you're always so skinny definitely. Where're you going like? Sparks Sparks Smith and Walis Luger's bobby vans. I mean all of you would go to steak places and you would get to know the maitre. How would you know that I would be I? Would I would know the entire story three of the existence of this restaurant so that when I would go to these dinners I would run them. There would be twelve people at these dinners from the bank but also all of our biggest clients I would run the show. There would not be a menu put on the table and they would treat us very well and Iran it and so would you go there on your own and drink the bar to get to know these people who are you mean so it was. I want to make this was a conscious. Yeah I land on your part. I'm going to distinguish myself in the finance. That's world but being the guy who can hook restaurants. That was a plan as I felt so comfortable in the setting of foods and restaurants and I wanted the people to know when they came. Mm to dinner with yes. I knew them that they were going to be well taken care of. They were gonNA feel extremely comfortable and they were going to feel like awesome. I and I was essentially a major. Even though you're GonNa make the thing just work yes really well and so you would you would you tip the Maitre D.'s. In the beginning to get to know them Oh oh every December people got so once a year you would take care of tackle. Yes and that was something that somebody taught me early on in the business of just make sure you take take care of people that are taking care of you and I was like Oh. That's so cool. How much right? And then when he told me I'm like I can't do that but like five hundred bucks off John. I mean I'm sure but yeah it'd be it'd be one hundred bucks or stuff like that and Always made sure that I was definitely tipping more than twenty percent at the end of the meal but essentially when they went home. The people that I was I stayed real and hung out and I became friends with them. And One of the the Knights of a buddy of mine who's a bit older than me Mris age couple couple of ten years. Whatever and among ours in here so he he said to me? Look you obviously really love this. Why are you going all these steak restaurants and I was like like this is two thousand and five as well I mean? What do you mean is what we do? We're and finance. We go to sparks all these cowboy Rubai whatever and He goes. Yeah but we're in the best city in the world of of food which is an advantage of the role for it. You seem to be so passionate about the whole experience. Are you really not seen it so I thought about it that night as I was walking home and I just was like. Wow He's right. I gotta go so in February. Twenty third two thousand five to Babo for the first time yes and it changed everything because it was the best meal of my life. And I'll never forget every single buddy had and after that night I said who do I need to know here and it was John Menia who either lease the grumpiest man of all time is not easy I sean him. Basically and and that was a term that missy came up with third person yourself your own. I've had very famous people on this pod who didn't later but I Chris I note. I didn't WanNA leave until John. Mesnier knew that I really loved the night and it changed my life and I was gonna come every single week literally every single week week. You said that to him that nice and it's like what do I have to do to go here. Once a week and number two this lady Caroline and I would call up on the first of every month and I would make reservations each month and you showed up five and probably till two thousand eleven. I went to Babo four or five times a month but then my friend also took me to Masa to Danielle and the sky box and I started seeing this but I also had a wife in two thousand eight and she said you cannot go out to dinner six nights a week anymore on this work stuff as I respect that. And let's do something else so let's go on date night so on Mondays we would go to these West village places these hidden hidden gems and learning those types of restaurants too so I was building and then talk about what you guys the food exploration you guys together you said you would do a year of Oh we would like doc we would say this year we're going after burgers and we would just go attack Burger joints on Mondays every Monday. We go to another joint on Fridays. It was always pizza. Night at the FEENEY's he's where we would pick a new pizza place in all of New York five boroughs and invite friends to say. We're going John Bleaker. Meet us there every Friday night. Hi and we did one year of just barbecue where we literally just did a tour of America and made our trips. This is before kids and we said if we're going to do this you decided even there you weren't you started to make a lot of money. You're making a fortune when you were very young right I never I know you weren't bobby. But you're like I am ready. Ratty yeah and I wanted to do this because I love. This had occurred to you then yet. Never it never did it when we opened never did so so I was doing all was reading and I was excited crazy food and I learned that missy was living in our building not just in it but like there was only three apartments. My wife and I are on the top floor. Missy was literally a in the floor below us and the landlord made this huge mistake of telling us around websit around selling being apartment leasing them. They'd be like Oh a chef. Lives there sure so in two thousand nine when we moved in there. It's very effective. When I was buying buying on up our apartment we he walks in the elevator? We love this place. We're at one hundred percent. Sure we're probably going to do it. And then we walked in the elevator and Fran mcdormand Joel Coan where in the elevator and and they guys live here. They're like Oh. Yeah it's great and I got to the bottom. They walked out and we'll take it as soon. It is by the way. There's a really well known chef that lives below you. Her name's Missy Robertson was like missy Robbins below us like I just read this great article about Bocce so for the next two weeks. I signed a lease for the next two weeks. I'm literally circling her door meter and finally one. I don't know you just know this. Was this family at this point. You guys have it. Was Maria myself mind you I was never home. I wasn't working. I arrived voce every day at ten fourteen when I left my house at nine fifty. Four like literally same embody away. And you'd be out. I was really home that much either so so whenever I was I was trying to. I was trying to run into her and one day. She was coming out of her apartment. I was like. Hey Are you commissioner Evans. And she's like yeah I was like. Oh Yeah I'm Shaun I live upstairs and she's like Oh okay. Cool the restaurant and she's like yeah. No I am going to a restaurant I was like. Oh I know I know I read about you. So that was freaked out or it's all right. I'm like who is. Is this higher. I'm coming I'm coming your wrestler on a suit every event not even invest back. Then that was like you called me like vineyard finds boycott now right so right away. I'm like I'm coming to your restaurant and so for two thousand nine until two thousand twelve. We only knew each other as neighbors. Yeah I essentially was embarrassing to say a massive fan boy literally like I would go to the restaurant voce with would you come out and say hi. If he was yeah of course I felt cool. People there were like let your neighbor. My parents we come in. We would go to the restaurant and I tasted greatness. From the first time I went I I knew she was the best like I just and it was biased. Because then you would have this education too. Because you'd gone to all the time trying to you made crew cruise sort of built a pallet. I could I I was yes I was able to say. Well this is different. This is another level and some of these things that I'm tasting. I've never tasted as to be for the first time ever. I wait truffles. All of these things experiences but that was our relationship. She would come out knowing that I was the finance neighbor. Nice Guy Seems seems to be nice and my wife. I'm the club and his wife didn't really talk that much shy. And then two thousand twelve the night that hurricane sandy hit New York City. I hi come home from work. And she's in our apartment hallway. I was like what are you doing. She goes I just shut the restaurants down for the night I was like. Oh do you WANNA come on up for dinner and she was like well. You're going to cook and I was like yeah. Yeah I'm going to cook and she's like what are you gonNa make and I was like. Oh I've been working on a bulletin as like all day and she's it's like you're going to Cook Pasta for me and I was like I was like yeah. Let's just do it. We'll hang out and that was the night that we literally became friends friends. We had been living in that building for three years. I have so many questions because I've had chefs over for dinner and it's really uncomfortable so like it's great but it's uncomfortable. Yeah and she's and so. Were you resisting the urge to get in there and help or did you make a decision. Not GonNa and I'm sure your other chef friends would agree with me. It is such a lovely thing when and someone wants to cook for you that you Kinda don't care if it's good if it's bad if it's like whatever like it doesn't it doesn't matter and he. Ah I mean as you can see sean exudes a little bit of confidence. All passion offense all all manners. No he was like it was also so by the way a blackout and he also I had already started. I had had a few before I went to his house. I I went out and started when you just preference I I now drinking twice. I barely drink at all by the way. I've seen MRI with a buzz. Once in eleven years this one Grown out of like after the hurricane hurricanes coming we had. If you grow the lights went out at at eight o'clock I think I'm on a diet now or not a diet. I'm thinking of food differently. I can't say Diet but so I haven't had a drink in. I've been sick. I haven't had a drink in like a week week. I only drink a cup. Yeah I only drink two drinks a week. Anyway but on my the way of thinking about food now growed I drank and just even here. I've just tonight Dominic Dunn. I've just made the decision done going through. Yeah so literally that night were sitting around and we tell each other our life stories and my daughter was one years at that time so she was sleeping. Marie and I are hanging out with missy. She approved of my bowl and as she goes. Oh Yeah Yeah I mean I'm very I practice so hard at Bolan as like obsessed about it and I really wanted her to enjoy it and she said what do you want me to be critical. I said please like I would love you to be and she. She was like she enjoyed it. And I knew specially now knowing everything she would tell me if she she didn't because there was many moments where she's told me I've got no. Yeah but so what was our lives change because we became friends and that was the night where she told us that she was most likely going to be leaving a voce. I was shocked but I was also sad because I heard why and I heard that of all the greatness that I've tasted every time that I was there over the course of twenty years of literally putting your blood sweat and tears into this craft and becoming somebody who is mentioned in conversations. Only a few can be mentioned. I was GONNA say at Voce. Miss Miss You were the thing you want to happen for your reputation did happen to Michelin Star. You had a famous chef. There was only ten ever given to female female chefs at the time and she had two of them right. I think about that. That's insane so I was really sad to hear how kind of over it she he was but I woke up that next day. I've also tried to get her to stay over that night. I was like just stay here. It'll be great we have we have. She's I live eight. Go Away from you and I was like. Oh yeah sure go ahead. So then that next morning I woke up and I was just thinking about like how bummed I was to hear that she she was in that spot where she should have been so happy in life and she didn't have that much to speak for other than these great acclaim and stars and enough money to put away to to live a life of leisure for a year. And I thought that bummed me out but then two thousand thirteen happens and I would come home every night from work and I started seeing this front row seat like Spike Lee seats at the garden of her reset a refresh and then this goes then check on each other. Then you start saying then. Once we chose apartments you would cook them. Sometimes I would do a lot of like I'd call him and be like hey. I made like I text him and be like Oh stop by on your way home. I I'm working on something kind the that I knew we were friends. It was game on run. I was like Oh this is awesome. She's going to be home all the time. I was home by so I lived with someone. I'm on at the time. And she was also a chef so she had just opened a restaurant so she was not home. You were home alone a lot because she was alone a a lot and I was cooking and I don't fault anyone for that. It's just the nature of of the job but I was home a lot and by myself and I because at the point where this was happening was when I was is starting to tone down the spending and realizing that like a for my health I wanted to cook at home but also needed to stop spending so much money job offers during this time that you we're well this is what happens when you leave a job and all these people start calling you and you stay to them. You know what. I'm really not interested. Leave me alone please. Don't call me to like five head hunters don't call you. Stop calling you. And that's where the fear comes in. So I wasn't getting job offers. I was setting up a lot of meetings as with a lot of people and then great people the Great Restaurant Tours of of New York I I was very fortunate to be able to have meetings with them and and it was amazing. But I wasn't I I wasn't getting the results. I wanted to be honest though in the beginning when she took off she did not want to go into the restaurants again her initial reaction. I was like I'm done. Maybe I'm going to be a therapist. Maybe I'm going to go back and do interior design. So you really might be done as I. You love a furlough homer for brief for a couple of months. I really wanted to have this epiphany and the therapy thing had always been in the back of my head being a therapist and I always liked that role. I liked that role as a chef. Also which you play every day and I sort sort of realized that I had hit this level income level that I wanted to keep an if I decided to go back to school and become a therapist I was going right-back. It just wasn't and it wasn't. It didn't seem practical to me. I'm I was in my forties and I was uh-huh responsible for myself and didn't have like a backup for financially and I I just I just did. It didn't seem right and then I went through this stage like I met with a pretty big restaurant tour and I was like. I don't even know if I want to be a chef and he was offering me like a really big job and I was like I now. It's too much psycho che like it's not what I WANNA do. I'm really interested in design. And he's like great. You can be on our design team. I have zero. I mean I have vision for design but I don't have skills sales of so. I'm so you said no to that. Well when I realized it's like actually sitting in an office and at a computer all day I was like I'm not gonNA and now I'm like I'm coming home from work now knowing that she's most likely there and are you liking your job at this point. I like they're like Oh yeah I always liked liked it. I always liked it. And I loved the the action of it the competitiveness the building relationships and trust like that stuff I loved I I still do for Sir like I. I loved what I did. Nothing like what I feel. Now yes but I would come home from work at a hedge fund and I would text her and be like just grab two pork chops at onto Manelli. Let's do something and she's like that doesn't fit with my diet but yeah I'll come up and let's do something so I'm like you know whenever I I always do like that whole that. Hot and sweet pepper vinegar and stuff and I kinda WanNa do something else. And she's like Oh cool like let's open something up and she just like finds an onion and she she charges it and she sees peaches and she makes this peach like puree and throws olives in there and we grill smoke. Yeah most start out like we literally smoke out my apartment. I'm like what the hell are you doing. She's like high heat high heat and I'm like okay. The Fire Department is going to shut up soap in the windows and during this time. She's like what else do you have in this place. And she's like I just WanNa Salad. Do you have any dressing and I'm like yeah. Yeah just go in there. And she's like are you kidding. Me wishbone attack rising as I. I don't know what it's doing there. I was like Maria. What is it doing there? That's yeah so so MRIs like tasting. It opened up your cover. And she takes all these spices and makes her version of wishbone dressing. which by the way is now the dressing dressing? You tasted on our little gem at Lilia. So we're having these like experiences. I'm also tasting this food that she's cooking for herself on weight watchers as support and selfishly. I'm like hey instead of making one. Why don't you make a bunch of those will eat with you? Yeah I'm now tasting things that I've never tasted in my life and I thought she was the best chef before and I'm now like holy moly. Every type of pepper all these vinegars zero fats citrus. Every part of a story picturing the two of you at this place in your lives. You almost quitting you. And you're being this finance guy young family at home I'm being inspired this relationship. That's like obviously you start must have started getting something out of two that somebody was passionate about what you were doing i. Oh I think. I had companionship than I needed to be honest with you. I mean I wasn't thinking of it in any other way other than like it's a pretty cool thing to have neighbors abors that that you like and I was alone a lot and I like I think when you're not when you're not employed like I have a huge network of friends. I grew up in in Connecticut so I have a lot of very old friends that live here And I I think that I but like when you're not employed cloyd you spend a lot of time by yourself. There was then so by six o'clock like you think you're like oh I'm cool and then by six o'clock you're like Sean combs also. There's my daughter's literally running around like crazy so I would say like come on up. We would sit there and just talk and at this point. Now it's it's middle to the end of two thousand thirteen eighteen and I'm all in on this relationship. It's become more than friends. It's family like we have our doors open all the time. My daughter's fourth word she ever said was missy. AC Pasta she called Missy Missy Pasta. So I'm all in. I'm challenging her. I'm trying to figure out like how do we. How do you get to? This is place where you're going to be excited. You should be owner and all the stuff and I do what. He's challenged me to the point. Where like I'm almost aggravated? which which he still does now six years later where it just fire and I appreciate it now but he like fires a lot of questions and those questions make you have to dig settling their unsettling and you feel like I feel like you're getting a little bit on defense and that made me very uncomfortable but I now know I mean now? I know that it's like six years years later. That's just his way I see him do it with every and at the end of two thousand thirteen I could send she was getting a little nervous anxious. The leisure of the Lady of Leisure of the West village the time was running out and I said one night blurted out that I we. We believe in you when we we love view. Marie and I and we're GONNA do whatever you need us to do to support you. And when I said that I swear to God it meant that we were just going to go to her restaurant every single single night. If that's what we had to do we were going to pack that restaurant. Whatever your restaurant I think it also meant that like He? He wouldn't let me like become homeless and doc and move out of my apartment. I don't I don't know how that was going to happen but like but I think a few weeks later I learned that that was going to be a little bit more. The media's going out to to her restaurant and is what they're doing all these tastings for for for big time restaurant tours and the her her first one wasn't like exactly what she wanted to hear and it was more of like I was going to be encouraging and say just keep on going and then she met with somebody who just was as successful and big and they were really into it and she was really excited about it and then somebody else gave her an offer and and she was really pumped about it and I listened to it and I had this moment where I was like well hang on backup wasn't pumped about doubt it too I was. I was feeling like I really needed to go back to work and a person was offering me a deal and and an immediate salary to do that deal over there restaurant. Open your own open with them and but something in me knew that it did not feel right the ideal partner it was not and for variety of reasons and we don't need to go into it but it was. It's just feel right and and between clean my lawyer who's also very good friend of mine and Sean and everyone being like. That's not the right. That's not right it. Also the marriage wasn't right or the deal wasn't either or both both and I really believe that what she had told me. I didn't think that it was going to be a long term successful or or she wasn't going to be long term happy abby and I was like all right well the way we could try to help support you is everybody's GonNa WanNa work with you so let's get more offers negotiate between people bowl in like volunteered to help negotiate no just like spice just literally like listen and like any support. She wanted to listen to I. It was therefore and then my literally family my Mom Dad my sister my wife my daughter and I went to a three day vacation in Bermuda. Yeah I I had taken literally since we got married after the honeymoon and I just turned to Maria and I was not thinking about finance. I wasn't wasn't thinking about anything except for missy and just came out. I said we should figure out a way to do this with missy and we you believe in her. We think we trust her. We love her as a family member. I I think we should do this. This makes so much sense in my wife was like what are you talking about. Like but seriously sean what what are you talking about. I've never made a crazy investment at this point in my life every bonus check I ever got I put in the bank. I was not a person that was a cowboy. Even though or living big cowboy spending money on dinners and it was my money by the way it was somebody else's money as you would go to the expensive restaurants on the on the con- The company and then you guys would do your Monday night. Yeah seniors in a more modest being very conservative and frugal so I said this thing out loud Maria what are you talking about. I said No. I'M NOT GONNA leave my job because initially she was like you can't leave as like I'm not going going to we can do this. Where financially will be the support and whatever we don't put in we'll find it and then we'll help manage the finances and operations and it's going to be perfect and my wife was like okay? Well if you will be the same dad and husband then literally after twenty minutes. She's like let's go. Oh I texted missy. I'm GONNA be home in two days. I have. I have something in the show you but I think that we should probably be partners. Immediate taxed immediately radiantly. He said no he says No. She's like absolutely now by the way with a lot of worry inert part like very normal part of my personality her first reaction is never the one that you want. And I'm getting better also know makes no makes sense because you guys have this friendship. Yeah you're an outsider of the business. which partially helps the friendship and she seemed the way restaurant partnerships happen? So I mean so I think I think for me I had this fantasy Of like the partner being the front of House person and I didn't just want a finance sky I wanted and I didn't want someone just to raise money and sit on the sidelines. I wanted someone to go to work with every day and I wanted someone to to to be that support that I was missing before and and the greatest jobs I had had were like there wasn't amazing front of House partner As as a chef you know biagi the GM and I like that was. That was a we were in together. And that's what I wanted so him saying we'll raise money and blah blah blah. I just didn't did but it's also you lose a lot on texting yet so so I came home and I had this like little business plan. I made up and I have never done that before. I was always employee I was never. Entrepreneurial came to her when I got home from the vacation. I said this is it. You have to say yes to this. This is this is this is best for you know where the restaurant was going to be. Oh we wanted to be across the street and via crow like. That's that's that we wanted to be in the West village where we raising a family and so immediately she just looks at it and she's like listen absolutely effing not. This isn't isn't I appreciate you but I have to go with somebody. That's done it before I was like okay. Do not say no that fast. You cannot say no that fast. I'M GONNA go upstairs but please he's think about this and I went upstairs after ten minutes. Maria was like what happened. I said she said now she's like that's it. I said yeah she said no and Maria was like well. What are what are you going to do you? And I was like we're GonNa she's GonNa say yes and so for the next four months. Every single night I come home from the Hedge Fund. I would knock on her door and like literally seriously. Yeah Oh yeah yeah. Yeah Yeah I I I definitely took it seriously. I was again I was terrified. I was I the biggest issue for me is like I just. I kept seeing the bank account dwindle and I was like how how. How am I going to get paid like even if I say yes to him? We're not going to open a restaurant for two years. Like we have to uh-huh. Oh yeah she said that and I am find a space we have to build it out. We have to find a designer. We have to find money to you also nine the right way never do things. Is there highway on them like half going to do. I was saying listen. Don't worry about finances and she's like how can you possibly say that and I was like you'll get a job like if we really need to figure this out you'll get a job and income. She's like you think it's so easy like how do you know and I'm like I don't know but I know I'm I'm pretty sure. Literally two days later she gets a call to do this consulting job for six months like that. Actually choose killing it probably making more than me at that time and and like I told you which I've never said but but so then all those months those four months of her continuously saying no to me I would be at work work looking online at all these companies that I loved whether it was Apple Nike Goldman Sachs all of these companies have a website and they would have of these missions and the values. And I'm like this. Is it like I I always saw missy as not a chef like she was the best chef in in the world in my opinion mean but I also saw so much more I saw her as this executive I wanted to be partners with and start a company with not a restaurant and I would go to her at after work and say hey. Let's talk about why we're doing this. The reason and she said what are you talking about and we would sit there and like talk about a statement that would simply state our intentions and then the values which we knew we had shared because of our backgrounds and are endless meals together. We knew that decide to throw in. I think it was one meal. It was a meal I mean we we went. We went to a meal. We had a conversation. What's the name of the place on on on Seventh Avenue? Like right over here. It's a like a little Italian place neighborhood. Place remember the meal. That's great that was during the day. It wasn't no it wasn't it wasn't night it was six o'clock at night avenue near near has like a green sign. It's like anyway. It's a little neighborhood Italian place close to the house. We went there and we had this conversation. I kind of left him was like okay. I I I'm seeing more and I think it was the conversation about about having a company him about you know a lot of the conversations I was having with these other people and a lot of the reasons why didn't work out. You know one of my favorite and I thank you Danny Meyer for having this conversation with me when I met with Danny who who was always sort of like the dream of who who I wanted to work with and I had a couple of really incredible meetings with him and Richard his number two and I- Danny said to me in the very first meeting he he said what are you happy. Are you happy with Pan in your hand and I said No. I'm not happy with pan in my hand. I'm happiest when I'm planning and mentoring winging creating and I don't need to sit in the kitchen all day with a pen in my hand and Kinda came to light than that I. I did want to be more of an entrepreneur and I still wanted to be the chef and I wanted to control the food and I wanted to control the kitchen but I. I didn't WANNA have to be in the kitchen. Twenty four seven. Sure you WANNA grow at right and so I think Sean I think understood that and I think he saw that and I think everyone everyone else that I saw like every some people would pay me lip service and say yeah. Yeah we see. That's cool we get you on. We get what you WANNA do. But like like I kind of knew that I'd end up in the same position. voce being like a fake partner you know with fake equity with not Dan himself would have made a good deal with you Dan. Danny yes. I'm saying I'm sure Danny was more Danny. The conversations with Danny and Richard were incredible and an and they re what they really did. Listen they sat me down. They said listen we love you. We don't have anything for you. Don't we don't have we. Don't have the right thing. Richard I remember. Remember him sitting me down and asking me in four hundred different ways. Are you sure you want to cook Italian. Jewish Moroccan right you. Do you like northern Italy. Would you like southern like and I kept saying. I'm not done with Italian. And what they were trying to get at is they had it in tally and Brown and they didn't want another one and I and I respect that and so so that saves you waste time Dur during this time to and I was devastated by the way that day. That's that's the only time that I walked away from a meeting with tears in my eyes and it was at North North End Grill with Richard. Danny wasn't there and he sort of said we don't we. We don't have anything. I remember walking. I'm back up. The West side to to our house in the West village would just like cheers. Like I couldn't get the one thing that I actually wanted so door are you invited them happened by the way I had always gotten everything I wanted so I was. They also did say if you do find the partner. When you're ready we're ready we can? We would love to help any way that we can so during this time when she consistently said no to me every single night for four months I knew the reason why it was because of the risk. I had never done it before so I decided for the first time in my entire life that I was going to attempt to monetize a serious relationship where I I went to all of my friends that I met for the last from two thousand three until two thousand fourteen all of those restaurants that I became friends with I essentially went and said I. I need some help here because I'm going to do this with a really well known chef and I need to know exactly how these things run and I essentially essentially asked and pleaded for. PNL's I asked for the ability to learn how you order food and beverage and basically went to school every tonight that I wasn't with her after I left my job and in those four months I got the confidence to say by the way like not only. Do we have have to do this together. Because it's the right thing for you but I'm also going to be able to perform the way you can and I'm going to match you in your ability need to create the best restaurant that you've ever dreamed of in terms of a menu. Of course you ended up getting your fun in the house part and he did did end up meeting with Richard Crane. As soon as I say I I texted Richard. I went to that meeting like a in like a laser like I already had the plan like. I didn't want him to think he was gonNa tell me how to restaurant even though he should have and I needed that but I wanted to let him know. This is what I've done. This is what I believe. We can do together and obviously looked at my numbers. He's like you're insane. I basically lock sent him to Richard Though to get like Richard and Richard's blessing right because that's how much I respected church. Did it give you did but like I don't think he knew that that's what I was like like. That's when I just want to jump ahead here because we're GONNA have to part to at some point of the way you sean you quitting your job and what's amazing when you go into your restaurants. Is that the two of you. Are that kind of partnership that you wanted where you're both you both do all these different functions. But he handles this front of the house. Who have this team? You have a growing series of things that you're doing together and you got three stars at both restaurants in New York Times and nobody can get a reservation at either Louis or missy and and the whole thing is what I do. You have satisfaction now doing this. Does it feel different. Does that ever been right yes I the restaurants aren't will say when I go back to eating pasta like I. That's the first thing I'm GonNa do is go to both restaurants. Thank you moderation. Run you ask the satisfaction and I think the biggest thing for for our when I said yes to him was to say to him. Listen like I have this lifestyle now. I've created a healthy place for myself mentally and physically and I just want you to know. I'm not going back to working sixteen hour days six days a week and I'm going to have boundaries and I'm I'm gonNA keep going to pilates and pilates. I'm not showing up to a meeting and I've stuck to that for five years now for years and when when I when she said finally said yes my whole objective in this thing was going to be whatever she needed me to help her with this thing great but it wasn't going to become my profession and as soon as she did say yes. I could understand that that my responsibilities. We're going to be a little bit more and more and more and more and more to the point where after the first month of US opening this restaurant I was there every single night. I was literally lead doing what I was doing. When I had all those business meetings I was doing? Bring it on the floor of our restaurant and it was. It was incredible and I wasn't even thinking about the fact that I was going to work at five thirty. Am Rushing to the restaurant. Essentially breaking that one promise I made my wife immediately and one night. After we had opened the first month of us being in business where on the Williamsburg Bridge home in an uber at one thirty A. M. Getting going over back to the West village missy literally says are you okay and I was like I'm amazing like I feel I feel great this this is incredible and she goes all right because she literally was the only person that knew that I was doing and she just said look. You gotTA keep on coming to this restaurant. You gotTa keep on doing this. Because you're really good at it and people seem to really like you and they're they're they're looking to you to leave. Recognize the front of House thing in a conscious all that and also you know. Oh the the the front of how you know when you open. It's a little different now like I can. I can have a little more involvement everything but that that those first few months Lilia uh-huh Yeah I. I was so focused on making sure the food was good in the kitchen was tight and and we. We had good front of House people but yeah he has this very natural literal. Now I did. I did everything wrong. She would yell at me every single night. You know. We had people that were forty. Five minutes late on a table older people I would bring them Glasses of I turn around thinking I did something amazing looking for her. Like a great job buddy and she had this face as red as Osama. It's on a tomato like summonsing me over to the past which by the way I didn't even know to pass was at the time and she said don't you ever bring anybody drinks without a tray. This is not a fraternity and I was like Oh like every all of these lessons I was like. Okay keep on telling me I need to know that but I do know what I'm hearing from. Everybody everybody around here. They love this place and we're doing it and by the way we're also I thought we were going to lose money for the first four months. We were profitable in the first week. Something was happening owning people that I looked up to my entire life in read about at books about that memoirs titans of every industry were giving me their card every night in hopes that they could get a reservation from me. I didn't even have a car to give them because it was too expensive so I would basically say A. Please give me your card and I'll email you the next day and I just remember that crazy period in the first couple of months missing like you need to come and I'm like I am. This is it. This is exactly what I want to do and I went home that night and woke up. Maria started apologizing because I broke the trust and she didn't finish and she was just like let's just go like we'll move to Williamsburg. Let's go and that night. Was it for me because of all the Times that I gave Mri that belief in her she gave her back de eh. Rio is the one as well as like encouraging me like she knew she's known me since I was sixteen. She saw something changing right and she wasn't going to stand in the way she sacrifice so much so we literally just we went. We went really hard. I mean it's incredible and I remember like after the six week of Lilia Being Open P. He came in three times. That review is coming out and I remember that whole process of going through it as so surreal as you can possibly imagine. I was such a fan restaurants and dining I would read that religiously and now. He's doing it on us but it's the biggest thing of her life. which by the way we want to make it that because it wasn't why we opened the restaurant? What ends up being the biggest thing but I remember like I offered everybody in our restaurant? Two hundred dollars for the first person who spotted pete wells whoever spotted him and to the door they get two hundred cash. Then we made these big fat faces of all of the of the people coming to right and and and we just trained of like we're going to dominate this thing and sure enough we got it and the first six weeks it was like it was like the stone pony in the early seventies every week. That guy would come bruce. Get a little bit busier and busier. But then when they wrote the future of rock and roll like literally Pete Wells wrote that review and it was gone. It was gone after six has been. Yeah yeah well you guys did it to you did it together. And it's really inspiring to see and you should all try. Try to get reservations at these places. Maybe tell him that you heard them talk on this podcast moment. Help for Lilia you gotta do. What the first of the what is it the first month had? What do the people did every thirty days out every like thirty days out at both places every night at told the end it comes online? And do you take walk ins you do at both restaurants we do right. And if you're nice and you're standing there might get some PROZAC while you're while you're it'll definitely be on a tray and it'll shawn's instagram is really worth following. If you like Doc Seeing a dad living up to his promises a lot of stuff with kids with missy and eating pasta and saying no to him about hugs. Miss you work and they find find you on social advocacy a robbins on instagram. All so I am kids. I'm sorry that was not his. My kids are Godson no I get the whole thing and it's obvious and you can find me up Ryan Kaufman on twitter. You can even be the McKay. GMO DOT COM. It's really unlikely I'll help you get a reservation at lily or MRI. It's not even though I can go anytime you want. Okay everybody uh-huh.

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 247: Featuring Luca Caputi + NHL Trade Deadline

Spittin' Chiclets

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Spittin' Chiclets Episode 247: Featuring Luca Caputi + NHL Trade Deadline

"Everybody two hundred forty seven spit chocolates presented by Pink Whitney from our friends over at New Amsterdam Vodka here on the hostile sports podcast family. We coming to you from the Liberty Hotel and Boston business suite overlooking the Charles River. We're in town for the pond hockey tournament this weekend. Let's say hi to the boys. Fresh Grenell Produce Boston's balls little hockey this weekend. Film Buddy I feel sore but I I will say this. I sit here as the captain of the Pond. Hockey team embarrassed in front of you guys I let you guys down as the captain and I will take full credit for all the losses and everything is a captain. You don't get credit for losses as the captain that was on me and I'll be better boys. I'll be much better but I will say this. I had my guy craziest part about all of it is. We'RE GOING TO CANADA NOW. Where these kids you all winter long whacked by this. This might be massacre in Canada. And I'm I'm not putting my name on it. I'll be up there but I have a few days here in order to whip you guys in the shape but we'll get into that during the episode. I'll let you continue. The intros are. Yeah next up boy the width dog. Ryan Whitney. It's nice to see you actually in person. Not Not all hotel room down in Florida Gulf coast behind. I know that's where you'd rather be. Yeah exactly it's it's. It's not cold here today so I'm GonNa good mood and it's pleasure to be with you guys as always when we get together. These episodes seemed to flow and a little bit more easy for more our style. I want to say thank you very much. I missed the cut. I missed the cut. I didn't play good. Eighty seventy nine. I missed I missed the cut by about eight shots. Nine shots could have been ten shots. Just not good but I had a blast. The members at Palma. See this goal this tournament. They put on just the coolest thing. I've been a part of so I can't wait to be back there and I want to say thank you just suck up playing well when I met some great people and I appreciate and Grenell. I wanted to bring up to you. You did though. Have some guys that you were not happy with Yeah Yeah there's definitely some guys on the team that I think everyone was not happy with and let's just jump right into it Rudy Rudy. What the Fuck Buddy your national champion National Jerry beating since this game? What did you see out of them? I will be very honest about the situation. I saw about forty to fifty percent of the overall action guy. Not enough to really wild. I was watching. I was not impressed. I was impressed by Y. P. I loved his work ethic I thought exe- was actually pretty decent as well. I thought the ultimate real big letdown was was rudy. I I was actually disgusted and it just so happens lately. He's we talk about the production that we try to put on for you guys and The sandbags vocational. He was one of the cameramen sent out to do that. One well it was a windy day. he didn't bring a fucking camera stabiliser Sometimes well we were talking. Half of our head was cut off. I wasn't I wasn't too pleased with his performance at the sandbag or on a production standpoint. So too are following. I am very sorry. And then he's coming out with all these tick tock videos and I don't know. Is this guy behind the cameras and the camera. That's a question for you. Deport noisy content guy or not okay. And if he's not a content Guy Wisey in front of the camera and then not worrying about other responsibilities so then he gets picked for our pond hockey team and also another disappointment. Just around the time as I mentioned too many talk videos. Get in the gym. Get your cardiovascular going. This is unacceptable lungs. So Rudy's Rudy's been on a bit of a tough stretch here. So I'll allow him the chance to redeem himself. North of the Border Jeff Hampshire though outside of the hockey. I thought I had a great time. I thought the turnover is unreal. Not just the people who came to play but I met so many listeners and fans who of not just the chocolate to Boston who came. They woke up that morning and drove the just the hang. I mean some people drove to three hours. I thought the event itself was was a pretty good success. It was a tremendous success. So we gotta give our thank Yous. Here Lisa Litvak was the one who Who was basically given the reins on most of it from Erica? Because it was Erica's idea and they executed it perfectly. She came over from the NHL Network. Grinnell has some other names. We need to think that. Thank excuse me I know all business pete was one of them. Yes Scott crowder. He and his team ran everything. They were unreal his pond hockey classic. They do that a few weeks earlier. It's unbelievable tournament Sean Brown and his guys are the common man. They made Friday night and Saturday the party at at all the restaurants at Lago. They're unbelievable Seth Michaelson. He was unbelievable. He's another guy with Barstool he. He was running the whole show with Lisa. He was fantastic. Nba and her team. And Solomon Nick McKay unbelievable and then just to go back to the people from barstools spider. P GENITA- sticks here just hang on. We'll that's the thing went so many people were there because this was such a big event. We've never done something like this before. It was so big and I said to Brian. You'll before I think there was more people behind the scenes there from barstool running this shit as opposed to just talent one hundred percent and we expected what five maybe six hundred people to show up with participants and then walk ups. There were eleven hundred people there so this turned into a winter fast. So next year what we're GONNA do is were more than likely going to go back to that same location. Have you know the same ban? And then maybe even put on a DJ as well afterward. GET MORE ALCOHOL LINE. So we're going to start doing these over Candidate in the United States where we get to come and see all of our fans in throw on these awesome pond hockey tournaments and have some fun as I did. Get a little scrap. What did you? What did you think we give guy of block is so we're going to get some pictures online rolex so anyway it was an awesome event Brunelli. It was fun you helped in putting it on as well. Let's move on to some hockey stuff. That's not barstool related absolutely One thing we've talked about in the show longtime had a a small obsession with I. Guess is the bugs emergency backup goalies and we've been lucky enough to talk to how what's his name. I fought. I've lost the he actually get into a game in Chicago but for the first time ever an emergency backup goalie got the W David Eyres who normally is Zamboni driver for the H. L. Molly's helps out and maintenance at the old maple leaf gardens. He's practiced with the leafs of bunches practice. Tamales a shitload. He comes in because I rhyme got hurt get hurt and a vicious collision with Kyle. Korver we can get to that collision itself later So now all of a sudden this guy who drives zamboni helps clean the building. Does all this like the old blue collar stuff? He's decided the game he's in the game and I've always said this to wit. It's crazy to me how you know so much on the line the NHL. The playoff rush. It Takes Two fluke injuries like they don't even fluke injuries just to injuries to have a guy literally off the street deciding a game and he got the win the first ever win by by. Gullion. Nhl History. I think that that rule should never change even even if they're available to have another goalie there. That's a competent one. It should be normal civilian. Who is just off the street because it is to me one of the cool things and all of sports when a normal member of society gets thrown in a professional game and then all of a sudden this guy ends up fucking getting a W for star the week in the NHL. He got a W. A. Luongo tweeted. He's had more career wins than he did. Listen I actually before we get into the whole situation and let me tell you how it went down when I shall go into that now so I go out to dinner with two of my buddies and we were the wives. It's a great little Saturday and just flown home from Tampa after missing the cut. Oh well so we're going to dinner and we're sitting there and all of a sudden one of my buddies get detection. Big Group chat were and he's like Dude Carolina's goalies out emergency goalie coming in this eight minutes left in the second period. What's going on here like we should live better so we go. We go we go and try to live bet at well what what happens is it's not on the board we're sitting there and we're figuring they probably know at that ahead of it. Excuse me Holy Shit would talk much there. That ahead of it where they know all right. Well there's now civilian in this game was forty two years old drives Zamboni so we can't you gotta take this game off. The board. What happens next is all of a sudden. Toronto gets the two goals. So I- clip I pull up the NHL APP. And I pull these goals are boys the first one you guys saw the first one. I mean he looked as civilian as you could look out on the ice from tomorrow's five hall one of the worst schools you oversee. And the next one's appoint shot and not really his fault but he still looked kind of terribly out of positions at the top of the crease. So what do we do? We lay the absolute hammer down on the Toronto. Maple leafs live and this is a lock and they just scored two goals quick there. No now. They're only down one. They were down four to one. They're going to get eight goals in the third period. So I pulled this up and watched it on my phone and I watched on fall and let me tell you to lose when you think you that good and to see him. Come in and shot the door and not give up one goal. Not only was the perfect slap in my face slap in my face because the Karma for me to bet against this poor guy horrific. I'm trying to make money on on a on a common man and this guy just shut me up and just slapping me and so I really respected the hell out of it but just watching it and see it all go down and then seeing the maple leafs Dubus God. This team has been bad for a month and they just lost to not only a men's league goalie but a guy who were scheduled to who their backup lowly with your H. L. team sometimes. It's one of the craziest stories into have it. Happened to the maple leafs and to have it all. Go down that way where he did look horrific at the beginning. And let me let me tell you. At the beginning. I explained the situation to the girls. The wives they had no clue what an emergency goalie was and they were so shocked. They actually all said why. Wouldn't you put an defenseman or a forward and I said well because you're actually better off with a guy who knows how to play goalie like we wouldn't even know how to put the pads on maybe and then what if they get injured right so I kinda understood why they ask that but I started thinking as. Ra's brought this up before the craziest part as they kick the guy could play for either team. So I start thinking. Listen if you've got rick from radio or if you've got Terry from Toronto and you think how much they love their team. If this guy had any true passion for the maple getting into that game dude and literally letting in any single pocket goes at them and they couldn't and the League couldn't do a thing about a guy who actually fear for safety this poor guy. A guy could do that and be very obvious about letting pocket and are they going to do you. Put Him in legal exact. This is on you. Let's talk about live betting I'd be not my old lady in her thought that was going on I. Two of 'em Jesus airs. I mean you're looking but congrats him because a lifetime dream for this guy and one of the coolest stories of the season and his wife was live tweeting the events because she's thicken. Hey He's just going to the game. He's got a seat she's on. She's on the couch at home watching television and next thing our husbands in the fucking game she goes she tweets out fucked me she did. Yeah Oh my God I retreated out. She had some great ones after that. But now all of a sudden this kid's on the biggest media tour and what I mean by kid I mean another thing too is that you see a couple of things that just make you shake your head and really appreciate it. The first was the interview after the game. I don't know if you guys caught it. But it is so good he you could tell these really nervous. He's got the hockey nine candidate towel. Which is every player's dream to get back. Biz Towel Postgame Ring. You get the logo out. And he's got that and he's talking he's like yeah. I just I went into the third person are boys like he was. He was just one of the boys I got. I got US guys. Don't wear any mention that I forget who the player was one of the might have been Khawla. Who just got traded? He came up to him and to do. Even if you up ten goals who cares. Go and do the best. You can have some fun to have some fun and so that part really the post game interview. It was so good and to see how fired up he was that got me and then you come to find out that this guy got a kidney transplant. I think fifteen years ago from his mother. Yup and what a story I mean. Do that guy. He could easily not even be here right now and he got to live a dream. A dream came true in front of the whole hockey world in in in the center of the hockey universes. We all call Toronto and I just I deserve to lose that bad because it was a win win for me to see holiday. Take over right now. All right the oldest goalie all time to win his regular season debut forty two years old. So he's in the record books in the record books and I think if like the somehow miss the place by one point and it was because of this one that would be the most Toronto Maple leafs thing of. It's lose up miss out in the playoffs. Because they lost two there's the Bony Dr Mollie Zamboni Bony in Rhode Island. It's actually the May believe guy. Yeah it's I forget what it's called now with their HR rink Yeah I met re. I don't believe Ricoh Coliseum was her old Toronto me I just drove his own. The NHL Arena. So I you might get slammed for that because you said at the beginning but whatever. It's all good we also actually. I did read one referred him as a former Zamboni driver. So it's got to be careful. It's now is a win in the NHL. He's moved on also Carolina hurricanes handling it perfectly of course during the whole media car wash tour like two days in a row but also bring them down to Carolina for their next game. They're selling his tee-shirt jerseys which Part of the proceeds will go to him and then part of the proceeds are looking into doing it in to a liver foundation. That will be a kidney. Because he's work. A siren sounded too that they read up. Whatever the declaring it. David Eyres Day appropriately. Enough now I want to ask you guys like. How do you think the lease feeling the room after that? Like and not to belittle the guy but you you lost the the guy was not in the NHL. Like I mean they film like extra shitty after battle what. Well I thought after the game in their response to the Penguins S- clobbering when Angela beaten him back for nothing and code. It was a great step here. We go I thought okay that was the P WACK. They needed all right. Let's go here and then for that to happen. After it's like same old consistently inconsistent sheldon. Keefe had a great port. After he said didn't even matter who if they had a goal we we were horrific they. I think they gave up fifty shots. I mean when they get the game two four three after the two goals when airs came in the third period comes and they come out and give up two quick goals it was it was just a really bad effort and it was funny the four nothing. I think had a lot of fans very hopeful for all right. It's been it's been a rough couple of weeks now. That's a huge win against the top team. Get us going and then you just have your lowest moments in an IRA guys. It's embarrassing ready to Barish lose. You can lose a game in Toronto in a normal setting in which you're goalie plays and you play against the normal goal. Nothing's different and be depressed after that so to add that it was just like a slap in the face. While you're down we have to go back to the Clifford Collision. Yes and I mean any person who's ever played hockey and most people are in full agreement that he's going to make a plan. The PUCK MORASS MAKES A SPLIT. The second decision that he to it. It was just unfortunate to me that does not lie on Clifford that is accidental collision on Mirage. Part that's his fault folks. No Way Clifford could have expected him to do that. If you think otherwise. I think you're fucking dead wrong and you need to turn to a change your opinion. Yeah Unfortunately Razek was concussed in the play. Clifford was penalized for. But I mean you know which is supposed to do not pursue the puck. He has as much right to the puck is and I think he actually does. Beat them to it. I watched the replay slowed down frame by frame. And I. I'm pretty sure he gets his stick on before. Meraz does it was just an unfortunate collision and it was just one of those things that happens in hockey on unfortunately. Moraga the brunt of it right there. I if you come out of the net like that it's it's like get your head up man you you have to be wary of what's coming. You don't have the safety of your crease anymore. And there's one hundred percent of respect not run over a goalie but we're now talking behind the net. We're we're not talking when they're playing the puck and a usual fashion when a guy is going balls to the wall to a loose puck down three one. You're you don't you don't necessarily know. Always come at forty feet of the angle as well. It's hard because if he's looking at the polk he asked to see coming out of the corner of his eye and also assume he's still coming by the time that things near the Blue Line our these top of the circle you watch the replay and it doesn't look like he remotely had any chance or not going to say that he had no chance it doesn't look like he ever saw him though you seek clifford staring at the puck and until the last second how you supposed to know both guys go committed to each other solar put it this way. Muratovic has an atom like that. He Ain't coming out of his net the next time after something like that but let the guy get it and make a save and let your back check back. Check get back. No no coach ever wants to seize going loose puck when you're talking about it being near the near the Hash marks on the ball either way. We hope he's feeling good You got a quick word. If you're an athlete you know. How hot is the find clothes that fit you? 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Lots of good stuff going on and on we want to send out. Congratulations to our boy. Cross and sausage crossing sauces Alexander Ovechkin. He became the eighth player all time to score seven hundred. Nhl Goals the first Russian to do it next up on the list is Mike. God who has seven hundred eight goals overseas the second youngest seven hundred after who ninety nine Wayne Gretzky who is just twenty nine when he did back in ninety one and only Gretzky did it and few a game. Scratchy did an eight hundred and eighty six competes overseas 1143 wet. We've been talking about ob seemingly every week and other milestone. I mean what more can we say about the guy? Well we've said so many things about this guy alright since we began this this podcast. We've mentioned the the ability to play at such a high pace while also playing so physical like a bull in yet rarely ever missing games to injury. I don't think he's missed the game to injury since two thousand sixteen. He knows exactly. Everyone knows exactly where he's going to score from yet he continues to do it. It's just like this. Go on and on the type of player he is. You may never see someone like him again but what I thought when he hit seven hundred was truly like the races on. Its now like I don't know what happened. Hitting seven hundred is like all right. Eight ninety four is now his goal because I think I think he's going to at least get to second. I really think that that's almost a not a guarantee but I think you'll be number two and then it's Kenny. Catch Gretzky so you could send you to see him. Just not slow down another forty this year and he's what is he. Twenty Games love. He could easily get fifty two this year and he took a little while to get seven hundred. We talked about that but now it's become realistic and we've continued to bring it up and Biz things. I think you mentioned you think he's going to do it. But that's what I thought about it and I actually thought it was pretty cool that the quotes Gretzky had in which you know after the record or not the record. The seven hundredth goal happened. Gretzky when I went out and said that. I'm big believer. That records are made to be broken. And what I accomplished him very proud of. It's hard to do what I did. And it's really hard to do what he's doing now but there's no question in my mind that he has a real legitimate chance of doing it the two things that you need. You've got to stay healthy. And he's proven that over his career. He plays hard and he stays healthy. And secondly you've got to be on a good team and he plays in a good team so to hear Gretzky Kinda come out and mentioned that I think he also said I'll see you at eight hundred because everyone's thinking like is this a real possibility now and I think he's proven it to be Maybe at least a chance of going down I mean I was GonNa say you've pretty much covered all there. I think he's the greatest goal score. The world has ever seen tweet out a little bit at cost a little bit of fire I mean. Let the debate begin if I think if he passes Gretzky. As far as number of goals given the fact that goalies are so much better bigger. They're bigger they're the best athletes on the ice there's always going to be counter arguments as well the hooking and grabbing back then the fact that there was a red line the technology was nowhere near where it is now. So there's always gonna be that that fight in the fact that Gretzky did it way faster. But here's the thing though. When when Gretzky hit the nineties goaltending started getting way better it. His his goal production deteriorated very quickly. So so what? Ovechkin is doing in the second half of his career is. I believe we've never seen anything like it. And anyone been able to maintain that number of goals he scoring at that rapid pace so to me by the time. It's all said and done. He will undeniably be the greatest goalscorer of all time debate over people. People also love to throw Mario just based on the fact that. How much did it for little amount of games that he played so Mario I believe is the top or one of if not second or third as far as goals per game and it's over point six. Yeah I got the goals in front of me for again. But we don't need to go on their. They're all incredible. They're all being the top three And and and he just announced that he's having another baby. So congratulations holy. Shed a sky score on and off the ice and Grete said that you know when it gets close. He hopefully he'll he can follow around. Ovechkin similar like Gordie. Howe did when Gracie was Jason. His record he was falling around. Yeah how how was kind of a game to game? He wanted to be there when he broke the record. And you know Gracie cuts go fucking five calls to be there for a lot of them also to Ovechkin has twenty-seven hattricks natural or otherwise eleven forty goal seasons and the last plate is seven. Hundred goes was YOGA BACK ON MARCH. First Twenty fourteen when he was with the devil so a few years since we got one but the trade deadline. That's we're all here for delayed flights. Speaking of the caps the rich got richer as the metro leading squad traded for Canadian Ilya. Kovalchuk the CAP. Cynthia third round in June two Montreal nabs will retain fifty percent of the salary and per Dimitri Philipovich Kovachev is currently taking up cap space on four different teams. That's hilarious and Albouy e Albouy Ego giggles Iraq. Oh reported that Kovalchuk had a choice of two teams and he picked the caps over the bees Biz. Let's go do I will take on this deal. I I'm going to have to see a play out. I mean he had a great start in Montreal towards the end he wasn't producing like he had been when he first got there so that Cinderella story kind of wore out I believe Bird Burger van said that they would be open to resigning him. Once free agency hit but the fact that they're able to get him for seven hundred and fifty thousand dollar contract and then flipped him for a third rounder. I mean hey you gotta score that as a win for for Bourbon and as far as the caps are concerned. I don't know I mean it could be one of those things where you think it's going to be some fairy tale ending because you know. Kovalchuk get to play Ovechkin and I'm sure they have a history and I'm sure they love playing the played in the Olympics and world championships together. So who knows though I do? I think that's the move. That's going to end up getting Washington over the Hump. No I think that maybe he's able to get into that line up and make some type of contribution who knows though. Maybe he's the type of guy who's going to be an in and out guy I don't know I don't know where he lies in a way better deeper lineup. And I think you'd be stupid if you're Washington to scramble up the the depth lines in order to implement a guy who he doesn't execute those roles to the best of what should be so interesting. Move to say the least. I really liked the Dylan. But Hey we'll we'll see how this one pans out very well said. Kucova chick made me look stupid at the beginning in Montreal but you know there were still games when you can see. There's a pace could be an issue. I think he made it clear though that he chose to go there right already. Did you say okay? Sorry I didn't know I might have missed. That makes sense. You try to win a Stanley Cup with Alexander Ovechkin. They're very good friends. You've seen pictures of them together on each other's instagram's tons of national teams together so I think that's obviously his choice but I don't know he'll be able to play at the pace when the playoffs especially second third round gets going. But I've been wrong before about him on. Am I crazy when I said that? His production did drop off. I thought we mentioned a COUPLA. After that little scoring Shuki had he went six games without a point. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So he been struggling a little bit offensively but hey I mean we've been wrong about him before as you said wit so best. Select them and What else we got chuck was also extremely complementary of Montreal. It was the best decision he's ever made in his entire life. It's like family there. And he also encouraged upcoming free agents. That are going there. If they're hesitant to go to Montreal. He's like go ahead. It's like a family. They're so awesome. I wonder would you settle a line of over? Under how many playoff goals East Gua? Who would you set it at? I'd say four and a half okay. So that tells me you think they're at least going to rounds. Yeah I guess yeah so you think about the caps I mean you know. I LIKED BILL TO CHECK. And so are you a believer. You're going you're going over four and a half well at the line of four and a half from. That's very bad right now. I think four and a half is a fair either way. I just mentioned he picked a capsule of the B.'s Speaking of the bees they made a move to solidify the middle six as they traded. Anaheim's Andre Kasha in a cost them this she has first Rhonda Defensive Prospect Axel Indecision and they got rid of the Davis. David backes deal. They had to keep by twenty five percent of it. But that's a deal. A lot of people didn't think they'd ever built unload. They did is obese fan. I like this deal by Sweeney If this kid can stay healthy men that Middlesex for the beaches. Got that much better. And we'll have that ripple effect on the lineup. I don't know how good along the walls he is. I know he does work hard. He does play with good pace amish skill he's really skilled. He is undersized. This could be one of those moves that ended up panning out just because he's surrounded by better players and even though he's a little bit deeper in the lineup he still playing with guys that you know. Maybe you could help them to those point total so this could end up being a genius. Move and the fact that they're able to get Backs off the books at least seventy five percent of it I don't mind it. Although there was an article I wouldn't put the same category the RA is dom I. I can't pronounce his last name from the athletic. He wrote an article about the amount of teams at when they give up. A first rounder For a player to help them for a push how often it doesn't actually pan out so it's I I don't know in today's NHL. That's why said I think it's a little crazy. Some of these teams are making moves and giving up their future when they're to me nowhere near a contender at this point but going against that and contradict myself. It seems like there's a lot of teams that think that there's not really a big front runner this year and that's why teams are taking a stab at it. They think if they just get in the dance that everybody's got a fair chance to win it now. Do you see that as the case. I don't think that everyone who gets as a chance to win it but I certainly think it's way much more open than other leagues now. The bruins aren't really one of those examples because they realized they. What would you say the Bruins have three years from now? That's their big window. The next four years right. I mean it's going to be done with John. Rask you understand that Kasha also get cash right. Yeah yeah he has another. He's he's also signed next year and I think they're thinking when you talk about finding the second line and the scoring depth that you need in. The playoffs is a kid from check. Okay and you think David Krejci and what he can do and playoffs creates every single time. The bruins make up rump to the cup finals crises. If he's not their best player he's right up there so they get a guy like him who's able to senator this kid from the same country. He has skill. He's able to score so it's going to be fit into the bruins system of everyone's pretty responsible. Everyone plays on the east side of the PUCK. And if he's not willing to do it he won't play but they haven't signed for next year too so I think that was important of a little term on our APP. Believe I was talking to you and you said this wasn't an insult to him. But you said Christiane is very particular about who he plays with correct. Yeah he's been known to be pretty finicky about his wings over the is. Is that why the Hainan thing didn't work out? I'm not sure that great she was wide. That's another trade to get to there. Wasn't the only trait between Boston and Anaheim Boston also sent a separate deal then? Hainan in exchange for Nick Ritchie. I think they might have just felt like the Hainan hasn't really turned the corner. He looked like he was going to be more of an offensive threat. I think early in his career and he just I mean he's a pretty good in his own end. I just don't think he really contributed shitload this year. But I don't think I've really had anything to do with David Creech. I think they wanted to get tougher so far off base here but one of the frustrations is at least. I would have as a fan. Is I believe keeping Hainan was the reason that a Chari was not able to be re signed with Boston and that would frustrate me seeing the success. He's Ogden Florida right now. So let's not go too deep into that. But what you guys think of. Getting Richie. I think that if you look at when they got beat up and pushed around against the Blues. This is a guy who will allow you not to be beat up and pushed around. He kind of does that to the other team. So I don't know how he's GonNa fit in offensively or wearing the lineup. I'm guessing the you know the bottom of the lineup but still be able to bring a physical element that if you think of their team Wagner brings it you know. Berge Ron's fiscal and his own say poor man's Pat Maroon. Yeah I I. I think that he's big enough. We yeah I I don't think he has the offensive skill. That Maroon has in terms of hands down low and around the net but physicality wise. He can bring it and he's not going to get he's not GonNa let his team or line be pushed around. So I see the move in terms of looking at how you lost in the finals and Hainan. I think has kind of gone down offensively each year in the league. I mean there's there's times you kinda gets it and nothing gets done you know. I'm not saying he's not good away from the park but when he got it. It seemed that the play would kind of fizzle out a little bit. So they're ready to move on and try to kind of change the way they play in terms of personnel being a little bit heavier after after the the shit kicking the blue gave him the. I think that basically Kinda put cash eight I mean not that they traded Hainan because creech Biz like you said but they basically put Kashi in the second line and an nick. Ritchie toughened up. The bottom six BS long aright. Absolutely buddy. Yeah. The oil is also made a big move Traded for thirty four year old defenseman. Mike Greene who will be? Ufa some he waived his no trade clause to go to Edmonson in return they sent forward Kyle Breezy and a conditional pick to Detroit Biz. What was your take on. This one might pick Mike Green I have not watched a lot of him He has struggled with Detroit this year. That's not a good indication of where he's at as a player because their in general has really struggled on. That's Snapchat STEVE. Bring some bottles in the background. There have you heard that noise But I I would imagine if the oiler start the cell properly that this is a guy who can come in me. Help take a little bit of pressure off a couple of their demand who are power play penalty. Kill and playing a decent five on five amount in order to not only bolster bolster a very good power play especially when Neil comes back but as I said if down the stretch and they do squeak in the playoffs. Maybe a Guy. Darnell nurse doesn't have the focus so much on power playtime more so five on five shutting down other guys Other teams top lines and also being a fuck in mutant in front of that on the penalty. Kill Yeah I think that if you if you see the side of oilers fans who don't like the deal is Mike Greene. Pretty poor on the power. Play in Detroit this year so if you bring them into kind of help with that they'd almost rather maybe give Ethan bearzot because of the numbers you've seen my shirt up but everyone has bad numbers for Detroit this year man. I mean this is like the they're going down as one of the worst teams in the last ten years to to show. You can't really judge a guy based on what you've seen this season now going back the past couple years Mike. Green is certainly not what he wants wasn't Washington this skill playmaking wizard. That could just score the way better than most forwards could but if he can go in and help a little bit. I don't think he's going to be playing a ton of minutes there. I think that if you get on the second power play maybe even the first power play if he's feeling good and get some sort of Mojo with mcdavid dreidel. It's kind of a low risk. Move by the right and and if if you look at kind of who who they gave up and broad CEAC. Who isn't playing a huge role with them and his older as well that you give a defense man. It's like the enough puppy defense. I lasted so all the way I describe GES is. That's what they're thinking best-case scenario worst-case scenario. He becomes an insurance policy. Exactly the case one of the guys who does work a power play goes down. And Hey they they got a repairman no just given their fix the job Is that the only deal they made or I believe. They made another with the same team. Oh Yeah Andrea. Anthony See you in forward Ryan Kaufman Fazon Gonyea a second twenty twenty and a second in twenty twenty one and see you obviously the centerpiece of this deal. He's in the last year of a two year. Six million dollars daily is restricted after this year. Still just twenty five years old wit. Let's go to you on this one. I think if you've watched Anthony O. Play in his five or six year. Nhl Career one guy. You could always say imagine if you played with mcdavid because last year Anthony was dominant games. Thirty goals score on a bad team. This year he hasn't been great. But the wheels are at a level that you think of connotation I mean. There's not many people that could actually keep up with him. Well this one guy who will that doesn't at all mean that they're gonNA play together or that it'll work but at least in your mind you think of a guy who can score and can skate way. Mcdavid Ken while what if this does work out so it makes sense now. I've never heard a good thing about this guy's attitude I really haven't and I haven't heard much this year but beforehand. It's like you know there's a cockiness there in terms of acting like you may have done some things you haven't really done yet now and when you get a thirty goal season it's maybe a little bit easier to show a little bit. You did have a season in which not many do every year the NHL. But I don't know I mean he makes three million. He's got ten goals. You could see why Detroit's taking while we don't want them in our future plans and we don't really know what's going on but he's GonNa be ready to move on and they get a couple of assets I mean would you say it was a second round pick and what else Let's see sides gags a second in two thousand twenty and a second twenty twenty one okay. So two second round picks you can find some good players there and I do feel bad for for Sam Gonyea who I got the chance to play with an unreal guy played in the NHL eighteen with with Edmonton. And you saw them bounce around a little bit went back there. This year was doing well I think he had a little bit of injury right now. He might be injured. I might mistaken there. But you know he gets the chance where it looks like Edmonton's GonNa make the playoffs and possibly going around and gets traded to Detroit. You feel bad for a guy like that. But you understand that. There is an ability that Anthony O. R. CHANCE AT Anthony. Ceo and could just breakthrough in pop off back. I completely agree. We can move on after that. Lots of folks are wondering where Ottawa Centre Senator John Gabrielle. Paseo was going to end up. And he's going to Long Island. The aisles gave up a few picks for the twenty-seven-year-old is making three point. One million this year and you would have been. Ufa after this season but the island is also reopened six yet. Thirty million dollar deal Let's see an in return. The sends add to their bounty of picks The Second Rounder. In Two thousand twenty for certain while the other two picks they got conditional would wanna one we can waste the Hoffa shows all the conditions. You folks can look them up online way to too much detail that go into these but Peugeot men did you think he was gonNA end up on Long Island. I always say I expect the unexpected. I think this is a perfect example. I yeah and then and then you look at their lineup to and you're like Dan they're pretty well spread out and they got that fourth line that plays very physical and that has great chemistry together once everyone gets back healthy and yeah that's perfect little little fit in there too and they end up signed him to extension. I don't know if you've mentioned that yet. Five years at five million per which I mean from from what I hear. That's a pretty solid deal. He's Court of course he's going to be happy it but another one that I would call a win for Lou based on what he probably could've gotten free agency so Nice move by the islanders. They show a team at the beginning of the year. I wrote off and didn't think they were going to be able to repeat and get the playoffs again but I believe that they do have a very solid team and once again is at the year where anyone can merge a Stanley Cup champion. Is there really a front runner? Given Tampa Bay. They're non success last year. We will see this trade. You not often. Do you see something. Go Down and pretty much. The majority of the reactions be be the same and that what deal and kind of the perfect fit for the islanders. This is a guy who is like a big time to weigh center. He the offense this year. I know he's always been good offensively but I don't know if it's been like this level. I mean he's he's GonNa he's probably GONNA get thirty goals. You Get Twenty. Four Forty Point. Sixty Games while also being. I mean this is a really good penalty killer. You put them out there against top lines now. Bussard can play wing in Long Island right He. He gets pushed back to wink because their stay was short. One Center. And it's like the Berry Trots type player. You know we talk about a map cars L. Once in a while maybe tries to do a little bit too much. In terms of what Barry Trots want. I don't think you're going to be dealing with us with Peugeot. He doesn't have a play he gets it in deep smart. He's really really good defensively. People don't really understand that that's probably the best part of his game. So if you look at that whole lineup and how they play the perfect edition. I love the deal when I did see the return in the first second third round pick thought it was a lot so it made total sense. You see him. Sign the extension. Because I don't think you could give all that up for just what you thought was a rental and made sense when you saw the return that there was going to be an extension in place in the sense. They're doing lots of asset management. If you take a look at Cap Friendly. How many picks they have well. They also send Vladimir domestic off to Colorado for a fourth and twenty twenty one. Keep on adding. We will talk about this long but another one. Where to me? The risk to reward this could end up popping off. He plays at a very high paced. He's very high skilled. We all know. That's how Colorado likes the play and if they're just adding another guy. The lineup was able to do that whether he fits it or not. Who knows but guess what they only gave up a fourth round or forum that to me. That's that's not bad at all and I'm going to call it now as I did on Sports Net National BROADCASTS AT. Ain't on I beg dude real Is I think that's going to be the undercover best deal. The deadline based on return for a fourth rounder. That's my call right there. Wow that's your that's your call. I think of the deal the the year I I would based on return. So the fact that the fourth rounder. I think that I think they're one of the front runners in the West and yeah and I think he's GonNa put up some points allowed in actually boys. We haven't mentioned. I guess we're not bringing him on quite yet but we do have Luca pootie coming on a little bit. He played professionally for several years. And he's currently the associate coach of the Kingston Franek of the GEL. WanNa mention that. Like I said we get several more trades to get you before we bring on Luga though this was a trade. I think a lot of people were surprised. By Vincent tro check. I was traded by Florida to the canes for Eric Hala Lucas Walmart and then a couple prospects e too loose arena is finished name and a defensive prospect chase. Frisky is currently in the H. L. Check he's battled injuries lately when he's when he's on. He's one of the better bargains in the League at four point. Seven five mil per season. He still has two more years. Left out to this one Let's see ten goals. Twenty six in fifty five games played this year with. Let's go to you first. We were shocked as a seemingly everybody else that he ended up in Raleigh. No I wasn't. I wasn't shocked by that. I mean I was surprised that where we ended up. I guess I wasn't shocked. He was traded as you heard his name. He kind of being out there. And you heard Brodine in Minnesota that we talked about and you just heard different rumblings that the panthers wanted to kind of defense in back and it ends up being a hall of players who oh no pun intended. Air Hall Abi and one of them but it seemed like ever since churches injury. You know e- It wasn't going the same way it had been before and was it last year at the beginning of the year midway through the year and so he's got ten goals right now but still thirty six points and I think he could really help Carolina and it's a good trade but I also think of how much did they gave up right. I mean grand. You don't know how long Eric Hall will will be there. But that chase frisky. He was really good in college. Rookies first year pro. He's having a good year in the NHL. So maybe that's a defense. That can kind of help. I think Florida or thought Florida would get. Somebody could help him. Now try to get into the playoffs. But instead they they they make a trade that I don't necessarily think makes them like that much better. You know what I mean like. If you look at the deal you said this to all right. I mean I. Don Will the panthers beat out much better than they are right now in getting rid of. Tro CHECK. I mean maybe I think what what happens is they may be see him as a depreciating asset based on what they're paying him and salary and they saw an opportunity where maybe he does have this year and maybe one more year left but where they think he's going to kind of start tailoring off. Hey I haven't washed them enough. I haven't seen in place since he coming back from his injury. I can't make that call. I'm just saying that may be a thought process behind why they got rid of them. Based on the fact they have not been getting the goaltending that the expected to get what they paid abroskin. Maybe they also think. Hey it's just a matter of time before the goaltending does turn around and he does catch fire so maybe at that point in time. Hey we we can see an opportunity to move him. Things are going to get better than that. And still we're GONNA maintain maybe even be a little bit better than we have been at this point and the canes certainly weren't Don Don witches that trade they also sent their first round into the Rangers. Defenseman brady she a. I don't think anyone saw that happening. That was a big deal. She has four more years on his current contract. Annual Salary Cap. Hit five point two five million. That's a big deal right there with it and let defenseman move a guy that I think he makes over five million a year. Five hundred forty five and a quarter and maybe the Rangers think that they they weren't seeing a player that that is worthy of that pay. I think there was times when Rangers Fan Love Scene Brady shape. I mean Jesus Christ by the way you're losing maybe the hottest guy in hockey to off the Raleigh so tough loss in the man rocket department for the Rangers. But I don't think that they. They saw a guy who's kind of growing into the player when he came into the League early that they thought that the ceiling would be. Now this is. Maybe I'm just thinking I we're paying this guy a ton of money. We got Tony Tony. The Angelo's coming up. He's going to be restricted but the year he's had they. WanNa pay him right. He's a demon and then this atom. Fox's kid will he'll be up in a year or two. He's a rookie. So and he's lighting it up. It's kind of an asset where you look you're in you're able to move him. So Carolina gets better. They Needed D. Help they don't have Dougie Hamilton with that injury to toughen. I didn't stop there. They got that Batman. Yeah Alright Yup not yet. Gains also got defenseman. Sami Vatanen from the devils for a second round in prospect. Yanni Kook Kook Ainun Another Finnish named trip me up Kook Kook Cannon. But he's in the age all right now. He's had seven games with Carolina last year. I will say this about Carolina. They have the biggest balls when it comes to making moves like like they're throwing in two D. and of their lineup. But you don't know how that's GONNA shift play. You don't know if they're GONNA fit into that system. I mean credit the coaches if they're able to get these guys on board and dialed into exactly what the how they play a very soon. 'cause Holy Shit Man They J- they just fucking make moves man. They are not afraid. I love that fucking team and now they're doing the the David eyres thing like they just get it man. Y'All absolutely and I I would say this little. Cain segment is brought to you by Budweiser. Yeah that's helping bring guys together. Along with Bud Seltzer. Budweiser candidate is back in our official beer of spitting chocolates twenty twenty but is helping us guys get together for Pond Hockey in Toronto this weekend. This sponsor and the La- laying in on the line hottest shot contest where the winner can go up against the boy. Grenell to see who wins signed. Budweiser Buzzer in the year. Supply Biwa. Wow that's a pretty good deal on my behalf. I am not. It's an easy win for against. Yeah I was going to jump in on hat and wet Biz. I'm not sure if you saw this but the late on the line. Beffa Pond Hockey Bug Grenell. What's the over under our home? He goes grandlieu score pond hockey. That's good you first Biz. Well GonNa Hamad you get in the New Hampshire one. I think I had four. Oh but WHO's come okay? All right okay. So we'll set it at four and we all know the competition is going to get harder. But I'M GONNA get confident in the fact that you will be digging in a little harder in order to redeem yourself so I'm gonNA say over four. So what do you think what I'm on the under no doubt about it because of the Canadian competition? Exactly they're just these guys it's like you don't you're small fish or efficient a barrel right. What's the saying a big fish? Small big fish. Small on New Hampshire. Go Up to Canada. Men's League Gustilo pond hockey up there. Granola you tried to get one goal. You just try to. Collab- two sayings involve fish. Yeah I know so. What do you bet I'm hungry? I WANNA bet too much because I'm betting on to fail. You decide two hundred bucks sure. Let's sculpt on all right. Budweiser is the classic Laga. A beers dependable as the fringe share with. We can't wait to get together in Toronto upon hockey. If you're anywhere near the MSCI come watch all the games and say the boys we love interacting with you folks. Meanwhile back to the trades we got a bunch more to get through here. There are quite a few no doubt about it. Let's see Rob Melena. He went from Chicago to Vegas as the Hawks. Scott Malcolm Shubin second round in a defensive prospect Slava's Demon Dem Demon in return. Vegas also grabbed nick cousins from Montreal for four three hundred twenty twenty one. Let's see the leaf sent going Michael Hutchinson City as a defenseman Kelly Rosen. The hawks also sent so I should. That hawks also sent defenceman. Eric gossips in the Calgary for a third round in twenty twenty. You guys want to. Chime in jammed been on the Vegas Golden Knights the Parlor issued this year so far has been goaltending although they have been playing well as a team lately. Currently the hottest team league with six wins in a row seven two and won their last ten. Malcolm sue ban has been good since Since the Boers moved over although he does lead in quite a few goals in the team's been able to help them out as far as goal support. So no brainer here. 'cause flower has not been up to his old ways So far this year overall this is an insurance policy. A Guy who only has the rest of the year on his deal so if it doesn't work out may know really risk associated to it. Although what was the return what did they give up to get him? It was Malcolm show been But Second Rounder in defensive prospect so you know second round is a good little just a very healthy return. Because he probably WON'T BE RESIGNED MY VEGAS. Yeah can't imagine that but it is good to know for team that is planning on going to the COP trying to make another run that they have some some depth because it flowered isn't playing his best or somehow ever to be injured. I think it's fair to save Malcolm. Subban was their backup guy coming in. They they don't really have much of a chance to go on Ron whereas Leonard could get real hot and and help them continue to win even without flurry in that might be too late a firearm to his ass. A little too. Because this guy could steal you draw. Oh at this point. Yeah if he comes in and plays great influence struggles they. They could go with him. I mean it's all about. It's all about who's feeling and WHO's playing well the ten fifteen twenty games leading the playoffs absolutely And other people. Very curious about Wayne Simmons he ended up in Buffalo Buffalo I believe out eight points out of playoffs right now. New Jersey Gotti Conditional Fifth Round Twenty Twenty one forum and the devils also retained fifty percent of his salary. We guys I mean you would have thought he wanted ended up on a better. I can tender. I guess right wit but I also think that Buffalo's trying to show the team and the fan base. We're not out of this. We think we can go on Iran. I mean you've seen what was done and if this guy can really come in and score and help us then you never know. I mean chances them getting in a very slim right. You can be realistic and look at the chance of them. Getting into the playoffs. Being eight points out right now is is probably not going to happen. But they weren't sellers and they weren't well. They did make a couple of their trades but they at least brought something in where it doesn't show the team that are we know we're done. We're kind of just going to ride this thing out until the regular season ends. Yeah I was shocked to see it but who knows I've seen crazy things They also flipped to save is also flip forward climate Sherry and. Evan Rodriguez to the pence. Far Forward Dominic. Cahoon which you know it's would talk about it. They WANNA look like they're keeping the season alive but and then they do kind of a salary dump deal. It seemed like more than anything else. So a couple of other moves here. Let's see Buddy Nate Thompson from Montreal to the flies for the flies. Fifth Round route. Twenty twenty one. So good for nate man. Philly gets in the playoffs going to kick at the Ken out flyers also snagged Derek grant from the docks for forward. Kyle Chris Goal in a four hundred twenty twenty in the pens. They also picked up. Patrick Milo from San Jose for a third round pick should the Penguin the cup the pick becomes the second rounder surprised that my my little gull Biz on. Yeah I was a little bit I could see why Pens would wanNA bring him in though just for a little bit of experience. I mean they're clearly in a in a make a run mindset So no I'm not I'm I'm happy for him. I was sad that Joe Thornton didn't get to move over to Boston. I think everybody was dreamed that one what happened. That would have made for an unbelievable story. Book yeah. I don't really have much else to say Buddy Andy Strickland out in Saint Louis. He noted this morning that big buff will not be playing anywhere at all this year. There was some scuttle bug that he might get dealt before the deadline. And you know people didn't know what he was doing because it's Buffoni kind of disappears. But he's definitely not going to be playing this year. Has Few Jarvis? You'll be determined at a later time and we've got a big congrats to our good pal. Scottie upshall who officially hung them up. I don't think it was a real surprise. But he made the announcement on the. Yeah it's you know. He's a good friend of the program so we want to give him a big hug in a big congrats on dynamite career right Biz ob- -solutely show shockingly. He did it on on television where he looked as handsome as possible in the makeup crew. It had a mop right beforehand. He had his His His Jersey on from what's the fungus Spangler Cup. Jesus Christ figure at the fuck out and and I mean yeah. Congratulations on what fifteen year? Career great run for the UP. Now he said it's time it's time to get on the golf course. I'm sure you'll be seeing on TV. He's a guy that doesn't seem Someone that that that might take retirement. You know the wrong way. I mean I think he's ready to just be living it up. He's been living it up. Since he was born nip. No doubt about it. Good luck to him in the future going forward. I. I'm pretty sure. That's all the trades. Now there was a shitload going on. We were doing it to us all day. I don't think we missed any major ones. That might have been one or two. We didn't mention that might not a rose to the level of getting mentioned. I if we did miss one we apologize. I think we I think we got them all. But we're GONNA move along with some other stories. Our beautiful boy. Hank Hank Lundquist was a healthy scratch for the first time his career on Friday night and Raleigh Egos historic and Alexander Gogi EV. Basically the two goals who started that night he never watched the game before. Also we do want to note before we kick off. I'm sorry I should have got to that first. Couple of guys were in a car accident today. It was ego hysterical. Pablo BOOP boop niche. They're both okay. According to John Davidson we just want to send our best wishes to them Obviously terrible news to help you hit car accident but it sounds like they're going to be fine now. We just want to send our best wishes but anyways back to Hank He's GonNa be thirty eight next week. He's got one more year left at eight and a half million. He has a no move plus so he doesn't have to go anywhere if he doesn't WanNA Wit of the Rangers trying to force his hand. Here what? I can't say that that that would be the case. I mean it's pretty It's pretty shocking. Though to see him not be one of the two goals you know what I mean for for them to be saying. Listen our best chance to win. The starter goes down isn't you is is it? It's crazy. I mean you want to say that it would make total sense that that they do move on now he doesn't have to. He deserves to finish. His career is in New York ranger if he wants to. And then they'll be forced to trade one of the other guys because of you know hanks contract. I don't think they wanna be doing these three next year. You gotta think it before next season that they're they're down to and if it's long question and I can see team where would be the starter and maybe get a chance to compete for the Stanley Cup. Maybe he does want to move on but in the end he's deserved because of the contract he signed because if prior performance and what he'd done as arranger since he came into this league he he has the right to knuckle anywhere if he doesn't feel like it so. I just be surprised if this becomes the norm where he's the third goal. You not even dress for games that if he'd want to sit sit part and have it all and like that. We'll see what happens but right now. It is weird that that what a shame. I know it's such a weird weird thing the game like I don't know what his relationship with his with. Its Quinn Right. Whereas it's such a difficult decision for him. I mean you think a head coach especially a new guy who just stepped in. I know how I would be. I'd say hey this guy's earned the respect of the city because he's put so much blood sweat and tears into this organization he's going to get the net until he doesn't want to or the GM starr stopped signing him to contracts right but then on the other side of it like he's getting criticized by the whole city if he's not winning games right so is being thrown to the wolves at this point Is he telling Hank? Hey Listen Man. I gotta put these other guys because they're my best chance to win 'cause if I don't win I'm not GonNa be here much fucking longer. Yeah you can't worry about feelings. Being last year was his first year as coach and they struggled this year. You could say David Winston as good of a job as anyone in the NHL. But in the meantime of maybe getting a few more wins and the team played better which they have. I mean they have been one of the better teams as of late. And you're burying all alleged of the city. It's hard because if you turn half the fan base on you because of that decision are you digging your own grave for when things aren't going as well if you're winning games right. Now it's like what fans are. GonNa be mad at me. Diehard hanging Henrik Lundqvist fans maybe such a such a difficult job being the head coach of NHL team since January seventh The Rangers ranked third in the NHL in wins tied for first and regulation wins tied for third and points and tied for fourth point percentage and also ranked fourth in goals per fifteen goals against per game sold his ears. There's been some serious improvement from that team. That just four points out of a playoff spot right now and you know I mean you gotTa grow with the hot goalie and you know it's it's just the top. This might be a case of where they draft at a couple of goalies who they thought that she could take over for. Hang it just so happens. They they won the lottery and got two very good goalies. Not Saying that. They drafted both but they have now. They're in control of two very competent. Nhl Netminders. I'm not saying hey can't go in somewhere else if he wants to perform up to. Nhl Competent Number one eight standards but right seems as though they got a couple of guys who are better than them a couple of the names. That guy who didn't go anywhere and in fact they're going to stay put for a little longer before we get to the interview. Chris Kreider was a guy that everyone thought was going to get dealt. Will he stand in New York Signed a seven year forty five and a half million dollar extension Rocco GRIMALDI DOWN IN NASHVILLE. He signed for two years four million dollars. He didn't get traded east and they're in Jake. Muslim signed a four year extension for twenty two and a half million dollars so those people are staying. Put the not going anywhere and boys. I think we should take a breath and send it over the last like that but a lot of talk and guys we're sorry our next guest talion fellow born in Toronto Ontario he He was drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins in the fourth round. One hundred and eleventh overall in the two thousand seven. Nhl Entry draft played. His junior hockey and Mississauga now. He's back in the. Oh l. now as an associate coach. He's actually coaching Shane. Right one of the next prodigies coming out of the Ontario Hockey League. Welcome to the spit and check. Podcast look like a poodle. Thank you so we gotta keep this. Pg So we don't get you can from your coaching jar junior coach and we we've been known to get people just gas pipe so we'll keep a careful with you know we're we're so you were actually a coach wealth to start out your coaching career. After transitioning out a plan correct absolutely started there Actually it's funny story. Not really funny. But it's it's timing and who you know and I was prepared to play in the next coming year and golf. Had An opening at the assistant coaching position and I played for my. Kelly used my junior coach Mississauga. He was the GM there at the time and kind of everything just fell into place and ended up doing three years. They're great ownership and and all that it's funny I was GonNa ask you about when when you finish playing because played over two years in Sweden good seasons and I was wondering why shut it down. That makes sense. How did you know though like I WanNa get into coaching? And my heart's not fully into playing or this is the toughest decision I've ever had to make what went into deciding all right. I'M GONNA change my career to the next level next step here. Well it was both I I actually had In the same season when I went to Toronto and up getting traded the one year from Pittsburgh I had hip surgery and Sports Hernia surgery and the exact same year. I'd never really was the same so I was. And then I transitioned Sweden. Obviously you know you're on the back nine at that point and I got engaged so the one year I didn't Sweden. I was engaged in the next year. My wife had come over in Sweden. So did two years there and she had a great jobs took a leave of absence from her job. So just all timing right like you. Just everything fell into place and I knew I wanted to be a coach. And it's funny 'cause the other day I kept everything from Pittsburgh. All those training camp booklets those rookie. Camp Book Looks Anything you know Todd Todd Richards or Dan Byles Mar Saad Hariri said I write it down if I thought it was It made sense and something that I wanted to pursue and and and it is and I'm really passionate about coaching and I always knew I was so just kind of fell into place in here. I am five years later. I'm a coach. You know each other. Well it's pretty pretty mature decision because you're there's always still that fire and they're good for you man and then right when you got into it. How hard was it? Was it transitioning? I mean going from one of the guys to not be able to really be one of the guys if you know what I mean. Yeah that's my next point. It was the hardest thing you like I've ever done because I went from. I trained all summer so August tenth. I I think I had my interview with Mike. Kelly and then I met Bill Stewart was head coach. Who offered me the job? So within a two week window I went from being a player being around the gym. I I worked out at Biosteel nickel for two years. And you know there's can malaria and Wayne Simmons Stewart Brothers Tyler stagnates whole slew of of NHL players there and you go from being a player and then you've got to separate yourself from not because you're you're the authority figure and it was tough. It was really tough to to Transition dot quickly and but it was. It was awesome. They were good with me Obviously a new always green and and it's funny because when you go into something new you're like you're super passionate about about you. You kind of you know that you're feeling your way through it. So they they allowed to make mistakes and all that and that was that was a key component and and you know being who I am today and the coach. Im today look. I'm not sure. How many games you play it underneath Michelle -Tarian but what if anything did you? Did you learn from him as far as Cochin he? I just remember him being. You know you're holding you extremely accountable. And he had a great sporty stuff and well and Mike. You'll for sure he he. He took me under his wing and he told me what was right. What was wrong about doing something good? You'd be in my ear and I was doing something wrong. He'd be in my ear as well. I didn't really talk You Know Michelle too much but My first game in the NHL. I remember My first meeting with him I was. I was scared. Death Actually my flight the night before had been cancelled so I didn't even think I was getting the call up ratio semi text message. Not to worry. You're coming up and I showed up. I think witkin it's us this. I showed up late to the morning skate. Everyone was dressed and they gave me like the standing ovation and the Bell Centre coming. Come in and my suit. Everyone was like five eleven. I swear everyone's going on the I'm rolling in a suit and then had my bag over my shoulder and then Brooks or pick was my roommate that he kind of calmed me down. It was. It was pretty awesome sad feeling. That's incredible I guess we should dive in your NHL career a little bit of course started with the Pittsburgh Penguins after spending some time in the minors then you ended up getting traded to your hometown team. The Toronto Maple leafs like that's I mean. I couldn't imagine the amount of tax you got the day you got dell back home it was. It was surreal so both teams are. Pittsburgh in Toronto at the time and I my phone started blowing up and and Says you'll you'll have a good laugh at Josh. Richards the equipment for heads very I was at his wrestling events God so we had an assistant. Yeah he had. We had an assistant trainer and woke spare who used to do backyard brawl slash gymnasium wrestling. What was his name the ice crusher you had the skull crusher. I think so. Okay if he'll be listening on. My phone is just like illuminating. It's crazy all my buddies. You just got traded to Toronto and I hadn't heard from my agent and actually Me and you the same age guy. I I texted him. He's like strongroom or out of Toronto and Lo and behold the next day I was in Boston. You know getting ready for a game. The following day with the lease it was it was it was surreal. That twenty four hours a Biz. Biz quickly went through though. I had a couple of questions about especially the first hear pro. You played in the coast the H. L. and the NHL. The first year at a junior right. Yeah Yeah did you start. Well no fun. Laura boy the wax and down to the cheese toasty. Yeah did Made a couple mistakes. They're mistakes and Things I made me better as a person they they hold you accountable and Pittsburgh one hundred percent and it doesn't matter at this is always in the NHL to before and it doesn't matter who you are If you're not abiding by standard there then obviously you're going to be held accountable on and Obviously a huge learning lesson makes me who I am today. I I really preach I tell every one of my guys junior here or our our guys my story and so that you build those relationships so that you can turn up the volume in the noise when you need to and they and they respect you for it but I had to learn I learn and this was there. He saw new new Capucci. I'm convinced that Pittsburgh had wheeling as an E. C. H. L. team that way. If you did kind of get get off the tracks a little bit. They'd send you there and no offense to wheeling West Virginia but if that place will whip you into shape to try to get better and get back to the next level so it definitely worked we gotta talk about. Now you're assistant coach with the Kingston fraud. Knacks you have this Shane Right Kid. Who got what do you call exceptional status when you're allowed to play at? Oh L. as a fifteen year old. Yeah absolutely so he. So he's an old old four birth last year. We were able to drop all three birth years. He was granted exceptional snow by Hockey Canada. So you went through a whole slew of testing Buying psychological and all that and he passed with flying colors. They gave him the status to play in our league and and we were lucky enough to be able to select them first of all what type of psychological testing. What type of questions are they asking him? You know what I never even. I don't even know. I just know that. It's like very extensive. Because it's IT'S A it's a privilege in a in a right to be able to play in the NHL just as a sixteen year old so to be fifteen year old. I think they they WANNA make sure that you're you're ready for it. Especially because they're so young and vulnerable and moving away from home. They WanNa make sure that you know they're mature enough and and ready for that. You know the huge the huge Yeah obstacles so I think that you know nine times out of ten they WANNA make sure they check all the boxes and make sure the kids really ready to make that step well Luke. I'll also that's a perfect explanation of what the whole status is. I did a little bit of research and four guys in the. Oh l. have ever had it. And that's John Davar's Connor mcdavid. Aaron Act Blood and Sean Day. So this is the fifth player and Shane Right. Then Shane Jason specified as well. Now he didn't really he didn't started an old five so maybe special was before that but the issue being the whol never given out exceptional status. They had three kids apply for next year. So Elliott Friedman says one of those kids you assume. We'll get the first whol one and I Apologize. For Not knowing the Quebec League. But if you don't get one hundred and fifty points in the cure scrub anyway. What I'm wondering I think that The Vallejo kid had it. I'm pretty sure that's why he's playing in grand rapids team cans. Yeah Yes yes okay so. My question is like right away when you met. Excuse me Shane Right. Did you know that he was mature enough? It's not even on the on ice thing. It's just meeting them as a Kid. In a person because fifteen so young but you knew right away a little older than than his actual age. It seems. Yeah absolutely the first foreign will experience we had them. We introduced him to the public at City Hall which is across the street from our. We have a beautiful sill in here right on the water. It's right across the street. He he was able to without a script name. Everybody in our organization hockey ops. That's elected him and thank us for that. And I thought that was super impressive for a fifteen year old kid. No script is looking at camera knew what was going on dial reader muggers and start getting enlisted off all these names. Yeah but he wasn't. There was no script you just knew you knew it was going on and just like. I said mature prepared and ready ready to like. Nothing's GonNa hold him back because he's got that we talked about yesterday. Biz At crosby like mentality. You wants to be better. He makes everyone better around him. That's why he's wearing a letter he's you know. He was fifteen years old for young kid. I can history wearing a letter. But it's not because of anything other than he he. He raises that bar everyday. He's learned from Jacob broncos captain But I think that's ingrained in people and he just does it right. Nothing send his way and outside of the personal accolade dog on ice stuff. So you know he's had a fantastic starts as junior career. He's been able to maintain a ninety plus plus average at school which home and so the kid is not really really stand with you. Just you just have that mentality Dan Dale while you gotta think that those should be proud parents right there and I think that when you say he's at an outstanding stars all mention that Connor mcdavid sixteen year old year or fifteen year. He had a point per game gionta versus a little above point per game. And Right now. Shane right is at a point per game. So you can imagine the names. He's gone on with at a young age and on the ice when we talk about his type of game is it is it. Is it Sidney? Crosby acceleration is it. Is it vision like Pinera? And I'm wondering. What kind of player is he? You Know He. He reminds me of March nicely and his favorite player. Actually Matthew Bars L. A. One. He will like his role model. I wouldn't say it's nasty bars. But he reminds me of March lease able to hate gaps. Does everything right right handed. You know he's able to scan is when he has. The puck is looking for guys. He's making you know he's cutting back. He's making people around him better and he pushes the pace like he plays at a pace where everyone has to elevate their pace when he's on the ice already at fifteen so you can imagine you know he and he knows he has a long way to go. We we have stuff we need to work on. And as an organization and as a as a team and him individually and he's cognizant of that very receptive to it But you know this guide limit I. I don't know where it's stealing is so high. As far as physical play is he adjusting to that and have any guys from other teams try to take liberties based on his name? And do you guys have someone there to you? Know maybe protect them a little bit. Yeah well it's not. It's not like when we used to play in the older visits. And you know you have three fight. Rule minutes a two automatic two game suspension. So but I would say that not really liberties but you know if you're if you're playing at some you WanNa be you know physical and take his time in space way. So there are certain instances where you know he's been been hit hit hard and then we have guys and it's just it's just like the kind of bond you on dressing room. Is You know it doesn't matter who you are if you're GONNA go take liberties and we're going to your stand up to defend ourselves and and that's just I think that's the way hockey should be played. And that's what our our our kids look. I WanNa ask where and when did you first meet these to chuckle? Heads was it at the same time in the locker room. Did you meet him in different years? And what what was that like with these? Do you know bears. And before I tell this story I'll tell you that he took me under his wing good bad indifferent. He was always A role model to be honest with you. Probably the reason why we still talk to this day. But he actually sold me used clothing out of the back and pick up at the melon arena. I and the batch a nice Nice kolding like not John. I just think he has an addiction to Kolding. I had a little bit across a little bit of money and my short there. He's he had. This backseat where he had all his. Co. I don't even know where they came from and he's like I'll give you this thing you know next thing you know. I'm a hundred bucks deep but I had a whole new wardrobe and then progress. So he like I said he took me under his wing so then we ended up going to woodberry Commons which is just outside wilkes-barre on On practice as one o'clock in the afternoon you're a rookie. You're there late and his I'll give him credit use a tireless worker. He'd be the first one in the last one out whether he's grooming himself or get an extra work out and it didn't matter and you WanNa you WanNa go you WANNA go shopping. Sure let's go shop the next thing you know. You're he's the best guy to shop with. You'll make you feel like a million bucks because as soon as you buy something he's GonNa buy two things and So you're eight hundred bucks deep at the end of the day. And then it progresses to you know King of Prussia Mall and in In philly after I got a call up I buy a laptop. And then he's eating laughing. I mean you can't go up there with that knapsack. He's a chirping me. I'm like what do you mean he's like you gotta get up better. Knapsack nuts ended up. I ended up buying a computer and abstract and Gucci Shoes. I'd say just because they have the best to shop with you know you're going to spend more. I've been through the same instances with Biz. I know exactly. I can't imagine the heat. I'm GONNA take online after because Luke I can see it. Now it's like a Abercrombie shirts sick. I paid a buck twenty four. I walked once. GotTa kill you. GimMe Seventy five four and I and I already had it dry cream. And then all of a sudden you're a rookie. You're like okay and I'll even throw in the C. Shell Necklace for free and I'm going say I got it for cheaper than he paid for. Sure but you you actuation isn't a curation. Do you remember those sneakers? You sold me those gum. Converse sneakers the gum solar like yellow dummies. Like all right. Let's talk. Let's shoot never add. Let's keep going. I hustled you. Not as good he sold. You Unaware leg. I said the guy took me under his wing. He's unbelievable we still talk to. Yeah you still got those hairy legs. Harry is fucking legs seen in my life girl sign. Hey back to the bus. You're the back to the bus lifestyle or you crushing movies or are you like. Is it video like most of these rides? Yeah movies only like Kinda when we win Yeah we do a lot of video on the bus. You don't WanNa after Games you WANNA you WanNa get it done so next day. You're kind of preparing for practice and stuff like that so your video out of the way nine times on the bus and if now you're just waking up early and get it done before you know probably there is open. You'll huge movie buff Not so much not so much. These slapshot young blood and our power tape our play power play gonNA say are if you're you're a coach in today's game you have to be watching video constantly. Now Look I gotta ask you this from when we played in the Oh l. to now how. How better are there resources? And what type of drills and skill worker these kids doing in practice so then we were doing back then. Yeah great question. It's it's it's tenfold like every week you get one on one video you You obviously have your your special teams meanings but one on one video five on five and then will we take pride in here in Kingston. Everyone drills like your corporate some sort of skill whether it's a cutback or you're getting off the wall and make it a play or your you know and then and then you want to build that foundation where those little details hitting the net calling for pucks putting passes on the tape early and often in practice You WanNa do that now. So that when you're ready to win it's just ingrained in the culture and then they hold themselves accountable and you're really just coaching. So we're we're at that point where we're just we're still On they're trying to turn the corner with that but every drill has a purpose. It's it's it's thought Oldman thoughtfully and Myself and Curtis whose head coach Chris. Foster who I think was your department admits in there. What WE WE DO? We do a lot of work Three practice in planning those little details and trying to incorporating them and we still got a ways to go but I think that and we believe that as we knew it early when you're ready to ready to win like I said you just you just. Coaching Kurtis Foster had an absolute Canon Canon. Still it's still does. Does he like the Junior? Goal is up with clap bombs from the point when he gets like once in a while he just lets one rep. It like like like in the net note than that. It reaches like the Far Blue Line from the netting. Mom One quick question about the meals on the bus have they improved the the postgame meals. Is it still all Gardner? East side Mario's are. They had to improve that while we try. We try and actually I'm in charge of that. You try you gotta you obviously any type that you can get. You GotTa Know What. You're feeding them so This year especially if we have a game the next day we try to feed them at the rink Whether it's grilled chicken pasta or something. After the game we try to incorporate that ownership Doug Springer you know Doug Gilmour and are jammed Darren Kyle unbelievable died and Jeff. Too He actually. Who's WHO's just Come on board He. They've been real strong and and implementing died and and we WANNA know what they're eating we want to. You know control what they're eating so and like I said coaching and and any type of hockey operations and within our league. You just looking for an advantage because everyone's prepared everyone kind of sees what's going on where the Games go on so you just want that edge and if we can control how they're sleeping control how they're eating. I think that gives you all the benefit in the world for the next day when you know that puck drops at two PM. Sounds like a cult. Now I've fought. I know I know the tranquilizer dart. Everybody's going to sleep. Know you mentioned a real. Legend killer Doug Gilmour. I don't know how how often he's around and you know how involved the but is he. Is He talking to the coaching staff Z? Talking players I mean what an invaluable asset to have as a guy was always around a true legend in the game. I mean he just actually took up position with the leafs but when I came here year and a half ago US involved in in hiring both myself and Curtis Okay and you know he kind trusted his stuff more than anything When he's around you listen. Obviously Doug Gilmour and Biz can attest to this. He stayed at my parents house. I have a big and I'm just walking underneath. He's got a a banner here in our rank. I'm just walk underneath but I have a big picture of him in my in my bedroom online and handles my one of my idol growing up so it's pretty pretty awesome. That you know he he was my boss for a year and a half and like I said he just you know he trust people and when he speaks you us and that's pretty much is You know that presence that has local. What's the hottest part about communicating with? Today's teenagers just keeping their attention. Oh another great question what I call it two minutes or less. So whether he do- eighteen clips or two you have two minutes or less of their attention and I really think it's about building relationships because it's not like when we played you. GotTa know what buttons to press when the you know pull on the reigns wanted to ease up and I think that if you build those relationships when you turn your volume turn up the heat. They respect you that much more for it so you gotta get build their trust and once you have their trust than they respond the right way nine times out of ten and it's something I've learned it's taken five years really and I'm still you know green and I'm still learning but it's something that it's it's an everyday processing like I said you have two minutes of their attention. Maybe and then you gotta be you know you gotta be onto the next thing. You mentioned food a minute ago a US sauce or gravy guy sauce. Search all random question. Hey what's the what's the rule with phones like no phones in the room or does it change on the bond. I know we have. We have We have a bag actually. We implemented the rule recently where we just we. We just take them. Because I just feel like you know when we went to the rink as players. I don't remember you could joke around but I don't remember after meetings ever joking around so I think they should be talking about the game and you know conversation between wants to know one another and making sure they're prepared and like I said any advantage you can have you we we do take the phones now well it makes sense and then it turns into the guys just shooting shit you with the boys in the room. I mean because even if it's two or three guys that would be on their phone and everyone else would be doing the same thing while those two and three guys there now involved and you're doing stuff you're playing ping pong things like that. It just makes total sense. Yeah it's it's something you can control and part of being at the rink is being professional and you guys know if we teach them to be pros early on whether it even life lessons just being professional anything you do and Business say it's like a call but it's really just just life lessons than if you can teach them those and they can mature earlier than later than I think. They're further ahead in life. Lougee mentioned the first time you cross pass Biz. But what about what? He must've horrified you early on somehow. No no he was awesome. I mean Like I said I showed up late to one day We got on the plane. We played the next day. I I remember I. I didn't believe my hotel room. I've never been so sore in my life. The next day we had a back to back. I think it was one thousand game actually. We've you've talked about that story on your podcast healthy scratch scratch and Franklin Omo break but Domo team services guy came back through the plane and told you what time you had to report to the ring so either said I think eleven thirty or six thirty which was or five thirty. Which was the youngest time to report for the game so But then a couple of days later I still. I don't know how but managed to still be up and then after Paxton as A. Hey you WanNa go to a movie him installs Ian Well. I would also GonNa do your cross streets in the Marriott or go with them and it was awesome. GonNa go today. Movies do keeps you out of the bar. I mean I as Matinee Matinee Babcock not moved from Terry and a health and guys before the milestone interesting play by by -Tarian aid but Luca. What about any memories granted? It was kind of quick and I hate to put in a spot of Sitter Gino. Yeah I remember I say I'm pretty sure Biz was up one day with me while I was up We were all in the bathroom. I think You know they had those Dupont registry in there. Oh Yeah then the Nice cars and And the nice houses. It's just a rich mercy magazine. I'm pretty sure they'd said Hey. This car looks pretty unbelievable and I was like I just overheard it right and then I think Biz confirmed that obstacles. He told the story two hundred people out there but he said I know this car look sick. Biz In disgust. Just said so by it through a back at them. It was pretty funny. I mean the guys making probably for sure for sure you remember that the car and you're just like so by it. I I am so respectful to the fact that SID is probably the most conservative person on the planet he. How long did he have that first? Range Rover he bought Metal Range of over twelve years and I was like the First Range Rover Sport ever created. He had the concept that get the CON. The only other story I remember is we were in Just before the Olympics were in Vancouver and I I'm pretty sure meeting with the Reebok Rep and Sushi place and like half. The team ended up going there just after practicing off day and he paid the tab without saying anything just walked out the back door and just speaks the waters pass on US eight. We've we've taken enough of your time and I know you guys got to practice this afternoon. Good luck to your team. Luca this very insightful. As to how how junior hockey organizations are being run in which we should expect from the next wave of hockey players because this game is just getting better and better so thank you for the insight Good luck to you. And it's interested in hearing the psychological aspect of how to be a coach in today's age. All right boys appreciate it. Thank you have a great day? Get those legs a trim. Those Harry Thanks DELUCA Pootie for joining us for a nice little chat enjoyed having you and him Biz about him roasting me about Abercrombie and Fitch back you Biz. That's just like it's too good. It's too on brand for you. Swipe up exactly. There's the original. Soy actually where conditions were invented. I would like I. I'll trade you this Abercrombie with the seashell necklace and you give me twenty bucks and conditional on the fact that if you wear it to the bar and getting Kale with another twenty bucks twenty but I'll throw it Abercrombie Cologne for the next time you go out so it's like we used watts. Well Talk Swipe up. I wonder if Zach Bogosian things he got a swipe up. He went from getting weighed by the Buffalo Sabres had his contract terminated Then a couple of days later he signed with the Tampa Bay lightning lightning for one year. One point three million dollar deal obviously going to be prorated goes from Buffalo eight points out of the wildcat to Sunny Florida and Ana Content. That not too shabby on this deal. Make sense right. They they bring in a guy for depth And just for him to have that moment of. It's it's embarrassing right when you when you do get way they didn't want to go to the AHL so everything gets terminated but then when you hear your agent say hey there's some teams interested in Tampa one of them. You just start feeling a lot better about yourself so I don't know how much he'll play. I'm sure he's going to go down. He's going to get the vibe of how that team is. They're going to see how he looks at practice. He'll get a chance. And who knows if he really is a part of this lineup and playing lots of minutes or at all when they end up getting to the playoffs and try to get back what they lost last year and then bashing first round. I don't know of ZAKPA. Gordon will be a big part of that but no matter what he's around a winning culture and he's not playing in the minor so everything's everything's good in his book all right Biz. I know you pretty impressed. With the way Brenden Dillon. Endeared himself to his new capitals teammates immediately by punching genome. Alcan a few times I think you said you thought the stripes gotten away a little bit too much and it wasn't the first time this season and not as bad as as the one the other night between Kyle Clifford and admits. I believe that was the other one where the REF was like grabbing clifford arm from behind while he was in in the midst of this thing. There's a lot of pressure from the League in order to break these things up as soon as possible because of the to today's climate and we don't have to go into it but this one like it was. I mean somebody could have gotten hurt like getting tangled up between those guys. And they're throwing bombs at each other. Dylan's of getting Malcolm with a few cuts and Gino's got his head completely knocked his helmet off. I was it was it was. There are some bombs being thrown there but I mean men Gino. Gino was just one of those superstars that he doesn't mind getting in the mix. Now I'm not saying he's the toughest guy and I'm not saying that sometimes when he realized he's bit off more than he can chew. He kinda puts his arms above his head so he doesn't get clocked mistimed. But Gino ain't fucking back down. He's going to stand his ground and Yahoo. There are people who are tougher than them as far as like toughness and skill or convert combined in the whole package. I don't think there's anybody with a bigger chip on shore genome. I agree with you right there. I think he has the ability to snap kind of snap. Show out there. And then he saw that Dylan is like six four to thirty back to work out better for Dylan either. At the fact that he gets the show. New On morty in this rivalry and wh you know we just dropped the puck. Well look like Gino. So willing for the linesmen to get in. And IT FORGOT. Serious and Dylan was so willing to make sure that that didn't happen any finally disrupts away from and you see that right hand get free and do you notice the smart thing and cover up. You really do say that in a sense of all the capitals guys like we go. She thought he was yelling. At the fucking Guy Louis Vitton to keep the doors open and was like hey. I'm not your fucking bitch boy at three superleague didn't mean Shit I'll tell you. What three or Super League? Todd how to UPPERCUT SANDWICH I in the same game? I recent guests that Norris Trophy favored John Carlson. He assisted on CAL. Haglund's first goal to set the franchise record for points by a defenseman when he passed Kelly. Johansson's four hundred seventy four Scott. Stephen Sternly Kevin Hatcher for just even idea the names. He asked Schulkin grass the John Carlson. Juju accomplishment team's been around for forty five years or so show. Also if you're a big fan. His check out his Merchan- the Boston sports website. Yup We dropped couple. Abc Seventy Four G. OFF. A little bit folks. It's been a long episode and and for me to have the drive. The bus read off all these trades. His brain is probably fried. So Hey let's who some stick tops for IRA right now. Everyone the car. Maybe they'll top on the steering wheel. Daggs boys tanks boys. I appreciate. It's my job but yeah it's it's been a long day but we'll get we'll get to the end of it Speaking of another Ad for you folks without home security. There's two ways you can go about protecting. Your home is the traditional way where you wait weeks for a technician to do a messy installation that costs a small fortune. Or there's the other way simply safe simplisafe has everything you need in a home security system. It's award winning. It's award winning protection. 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You'd hope that they pan out and become next level stars and and that's how you climb out of it. So Detroit had that twenty five year run where it was every single year. They're competing for Stanton and exactly and that just shows that this league It happens to every every single team you see Edmonton be bad for a long time. You see Detroit now and Pittsburgh struggled. It's just I it's I'll say to the game I I wouldn't be shocked if for whatever reason all of a sudden it turned around quick. If you get a couple of studs I mean they gotta they gotta get I and they get Lithuania or however you say it. And he's nasty and then maybe e still struggling you get another top three pick. It's it can happen. Quick yes but it has to be done correctly and I think that if you got one guy to do it. Steve is the Guy. The Guy who wouldn't trust him to rebuild. He saved at once when he was a draft. Pick as a player. Can he save him again as a GM? I believe he can yeah. It's almost like anytime. A team and any sport has a dynasty that the bill always comes on point. You know Also allow Bobby Ryan spoke to the press off for the first time since entering the employee. Assistance Program Must be such a thing to do. I mean that's how to talk to your family or friends about having addiction issues. Let alone having going in like shelby. Sports right is asking like personal questions. So kudos bobby for coming out answering some questions and you know we hope he's doing well man because it's a bitch of a battle and he's playing soon. I think it said he's going to be back soon. That's what I figured. If he's talking he must be coming back soon and like I said we wish him nothing but the best. That's that's a nightmare Goto anyways but to have to do it in a public forum. I it's so much hotter. So you know wishing wish the best for him and also are another guy who just went in and opened up about his his. You know I wouldn't say his mental health but where he was at the beginning of season when things were going well as luke and I don't know if this is the case for Bobby Ryan but sometime in certain guys aren't playing up to their contracts they become the punching bag in the media and some of these guys are affected more so than others by. It just doesn't become fun anymore. Because they feel like they're going out there they can do no right. They're able to the big dumb goon and they're overpaid their use us out there anytime they make a hit and maybe it's like questionable to today's standards and they're getting dragged through the mud again online. It's just a big goon fest again. So it's like these guys are I don't know I don't. I'm not saying the reason. Why you know Bobby Ryan and a turn at the bottle was that but like that's why I don't mind being a little bit less critical in these guys. 'cause I know what some of them have to go through mentally and I mean could you guys imagine if you had fucking tough six months at work that you're you're being in the ear in the front page of the newspaper they're dragging you through the mud fucking difficult man? Yeah yeah no matter on how you know big tough. These guys are there's always a mental aspect to it so Just you know. Congratulations to both those guys for overcoming their issues early on in the season and I hope they continue to get success and and move towards becoming better for the front page of the like electronic section of the Boston Globe is like Eric from staples sold seven. Printers this quarter and you just getting ripped on. I mean it's not that easy when you got when you got the whole world. Seems like kind of coming down on your so. I'm very very happy here. That Bobby Ryan's doing better. That'd be playing the game. He loves again. 'cause you know what he's been through as a young kid as well and I'm very happy for him 'cause I got the chance to get to know them and play with him and he's a great person so to see somebody battle that is hard and then to know that he's now doing better makes you feel good and it's nice to have guys who like to have fun the League as well and Hubbub BOY HAZY GETS THE OT GAME. One of the other night then does little strap on like. He's got a wrestling belt. I mean he's he's a character he's a showman he's an entertainer and all those people who bitching about him early in the season. Philly because he only had X. amount of goals. I think can chew on on those words now the way what I do. I think that he's been a great addition to that team. And Yeah I mean. He makes a lot of money. Well that was the perfect timing. That's what happened you hit the USA mark at the right time like he did. That's what went down and I think that he's gone out there and perform twenty goals now or coming up on. That could end up getting even more so I think that when you get to the playoffs to which it looks like Philly should get in right now. I think they're third in the in the Metro. I could see them getting in and then I could see hazy having a really good run because he's a playoff type players hard. He's a big Guy Leans on people. He can play both ends of the same on the. Pk He's constantly breaking up. Dd passes getting chances offense. Even when he's down a man so I I love him as a guy. I'm very by. She's a good friend but I also think he's had a heavier as far as just sneaky. Good at hockey and gray with his stick. I would put him on par with Mike Richards just away. He's like just peak breaking up play. He doesn't he doesn't kill you with the speed but has just as hockey census is out of this world. He's looked very very comfortable so much so that I wonder if he's wearing. 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Fa- Columbus as bookstand is expected to miss eight to ten weeks risks brain In an ankle fracture the twenty four year old has twenty one goals fifteen assists in forty nine games so now the huge dot Columbus ten afford in the playoff chase also a little late breaking news the other day the we already know. Minnesota has the winter classic next year. They will be playing the Saint Louis. Blues at I believe target field with the baseball team plays. We'll be there as well next year. So many Saint Louis boys any file notre thoughts before we wrap this bad boy up. No no I think that it was an exciting deadline. Day For for Year in which tons of trade went down prior to Monday it was still decent enough action packed day and we got to make her appearance on sports. That toes went when when The only other things I had written down where mcdavid return? He looked like he was fine. Hadn't missed a step yet. Shaw and The Band Bowie L. 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1273: "False Positive"

"Quarantine for two weeks. Oh Adam. Curry John's divorce. Twenty Twenty Award Winning Given Nation Media Assassination twelve seventy three this is no agenda. Celebrating. Six percents and broadcasting live from opportunities own thirty-three here, Frontier Austin Texas capital drone star stake in the morning everybody I'm Adam Corre- and from northern. Silicon Valley where we don't have rand Paul to beat up anymore Johnson. Direct. Sales. Of course we have to beat up. On Silicon Valley. What you mean not in Silicon Valley, he doesn't come here. Look did you you said you don't have I don't know maybe I was confused. He's been beat up enough poor poor rand. Paul he's been beat up enough I. Tell You I have a clip somewhere from him but. The news is finally out and the new. York. Times The New York Times has admitted. That the corona virus test could possibly be a piece of crap. Headline, a headline. This was I couldn't. You recall a week ago. I just I think it was a torture devices torturing device sticking it. To wrote. A week ago I said CDC published a chart where everything is down to zero. You can't even see deaths or anything. And that was the CDC website and know it's like no one really paid much attention to it. But then finally New York Times came out when was this published? I think. Yeah. Yesterday your corona virus test is positive. Maybe it shouldn't be. The usual diagnostic tests may simply be too sensitive and too slow to contain the spread of the virus. So the article. Says, something that we've discussed. I think we talked about months ago where they're spinning the you know the the little piece that they have the. The the DNA segment or the sequence they they looking for that. So they're taking your DNA in they're spinning it. Thirty Times to replicate it to see if if the viruses in their thirty times is what most say is is what you should be doing. But the New, York Times, as I think pretty sure we discussed on the show maybe months ago. Is. Doing thirty seven to forty times which really every single health professional says, yeah, that's too much. You're going to get too many false positives. Now, what the New York Times does is they tried to spin that and say, well, thank God we've got the rapid fifteen minute test coming up. That's completely accurate data that'll get us back to back back to work in the meantime if you look at the numbers. It means the testing is overstated by a possible factor of ten, which is exactly what we said before, and now the death rate is also only six percent. Of that total one, hundred, eighty, three, thousand number. The CDC is publishing this nation on their website and they say table three shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with this in does. In. Corona Virus Disease Twenty nine thousand nine for six percent of the deaths covid nineteen was the only 'cause mentioned for deaths and conditions or causes in addition to covid nineteen on average there were two point, six additional conditions or causes for death. Is MOGUS. Everything is bogus. So then. This video going around several videos. You may have seen the minutes usually some personal lab coat going. Well, this is very strange it turns out that the CORONA VIRUS PR test protocol calls for a humanoid chromosome eight which is something that occurs in all human beings. So this clearly means that all tests would ultimately prove positive. So this seems Kinda sketchy to me and I sent it to our lab technician I can't mention the person's name. This person sent me back a very long very in