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And we just have not been able to connect a lot of weird things going on. Maybe we'll talk about it next episode, but I'm solo so I'm gonna be short and sweet to tell you the truth. But I'm here to tell you that we're glad that you're listening to the show. I am heading up north to go. Camping with my family for next week. So you may not hear as much from me in the next week or so. We're still going to have some episodes out. There were still gonna have episodes of the clinical hacks and Smithson on you're gonna hear date. Don't act daily stuff. But we're going to be sort of incommunicado for a week but I hope you guys are having a good summer so far. I will say the weather has gotten quite awesome in Michigan's very hot today, which is great. It hasn't been up to this point. And so I'm looking forward to spend a little time outside that sort of thing. So today, we bring you one of my favorite interviews we've ever done. And interestingly the guy we interviewed Dr Richard Rosenblatt has been on the show multiple times. I mean if you've been listening for any period of time he's been on the brain trust a lot. We interviewed him. He's like one of the first interviews, we ever did five years ago that we've been doing this for five years. He's been on a lot and he's one of our favorites because he's a Larry, he's super nice super knowledgeable. He's like a Syrah guru. It's all he's got it all basically. But one of the things that we hadn't talked about as much is, like, how we all kind of got to know each other. Rich is one of the guys that was on dental town back when I started on dental, Tom that was, like two thousand two in when you start looking at the county, I was like seventeen years ago, which seems hard to believe, but so rich was there, and he was one of the original guys on dental town, talking about the Sarah talking about share side, CAD Cam, and all that stuff in he became he became a trainer pretty early on. He was very upfront about what he was doing in his office, with Sarah and honestly, his journey has been really interesting to watch anyone who is in the Serik space knows rich. But what I thought was fun was Jason. I kinda talked him about how he got into it from the very start like why he did it. What you know how it changed his practice in honestly, he did it so long ago that he's kind of only known practice with Eric, essentially, it's the story he tells is really interesting, I have to say, it's very interesting. And we talk kind of about the Lucien of chair side, CAD, Cam with someone who is there for the whole ride, literally from, you know, the red Cam in the very early days to, to blue Cam, we talked about the, the introduction of the Omni Cam in how that particular Serono world kind of change the trajectory of dental meetings from there on, because it, it put this huge high bar, and what, what a dental meeting could look like pretty cool stuff and enrich was kind of a front row seat for all of it. And of course, he's a fantastic storyteller, a good friend. So he's really good. I think oh, and he's got a prime skin, too. So he's been using the prime skin for several months now he's got last disable that. So I think you're going to really enjoy listening to rich. I know we did and sit back put your feet up real. Lacks take a listen to Dr ridge Rosie. Don't axe nation over the years. Cirque has made some pretty amazing 'isolation products. 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Also joining us tonight, a guy who's been on the show like a million times, a guy that we run into the Chicago midwinter almost every year, a guy that is basically the favourite of everyone in podcast land, Dr Richardson Blat ridge was happening starting out the podcast with lies lies. I heard lots of them. There is integrating your ally. Was when you asked me to come on the other day was very surprised in always excited. So we have lots to talk about as always because basically retro glad is like he's like, just a walking podcast. You can just put him on this guy in, in whatever he says is gonna make a good. It's a good show, this high school superlative. So a couple things I wanted to ask you about Dr Rosenblatt. I actually you are like the guy who started this got you started to Sirak study club in Chicago. It really shows our age a little bit. When you actually go back as far as you actually started the study club. When did you start your like the first time you started the study club was dragging brandy? The metro. Though, sweet checked loved it. My started in November of two thousand four I believe that Hosh. Yeah. They had Sarah back, then I bought it in, in awe. We got it in August of two thousand three. Yeah. Dos based it was. I would started on a Commodore sixty four us like several floppy disks to get the thing to run slash run Sarah, so you started the study club in two thousand four got you are old. I mean I'm old too, but you are definitely old. So basically, you start to study club out of necessity because you wanted to talk about Sarah, and you wanted you wanted to get people to go that we're doing this things that right? Yeah. I I started it for two. I started anything I may have said this on a podcast in the past. But if I didn't all I'll just admit it again, 'cause it always makes me laugh is. I started the podcast for two reasons. This is pre Sark doctors pre any kind of really like a cohesive training. That was the Saric back then was kind of the wild wild west yet was. Yes, in there wasn't a lot of training. I was we were like the thirty seventh office in Chicago to have a Serik. I think or something like that when we bought it in two thousand and three so I wanted I wanted to get like minded. Together. I figured it would be a cool thing to do that. I wanted to learn how to lecture a little bit, I figured, I've always wanted to teach. So let me get up. Maybe I'll do a lecture and I'll get some lecture some local people, but would end up really wanted to do. It was Harrison restarting training center, like right after I did it at or someone to start a training center. And I thought I deserved to be the trainer there. And so my office wasn't necessarily a full-time Patterson office. So, and so two understanding they hire trainers that were users and use their services and great. But I got mad and I you know, me, I'm always gonna get what I want. So I had to figure out a way to back door my way in. And so I got to study club big enough, and I invited Roddy McLeod out a couple years later, to when he was running the software beta testing program, and he's like, dude, this study clubs huge back in two thousand it was about six when, when I had him come out and, and the huge study clubs like fifty people, you know, I know now. That's. Tiny. But at the time fifty Syracuse all getting together fifty people interested in Cirque was probably what she's like. So you want be a beta tester. I'm like, shrouded with that is mature sounds great. And so they brought me on into beta test, or no six. And then once I started to do that and got in with Rona than they kind of got forced to hire me, as, as a basic trainer, which is what I wanted in the first place. So it was always a method to Madison doing it, but I love it was it was really one of these kind of labor laws when I did it initially. I, I really wanted to learn I, I was all about the learning aspect. I must listen. I've been doing CEO long time as far as just taking classes, you know, one of mean you go back, how many years seven that means your don't tone back in the day. I mean I got I got dental tone two thousand two you already there. And you and I, I mean one of the first things when I bought my office in two thousand seven I didn't have any money to do. See in. I wanted to do that clues. In course so I reach out to milkers and had it in my little off. Office in, you came out, frankly came out and own. Gosh. There were a lot of people are people in in. It was it was a very funny in the first the first night of lecture was in your basement at your house. Yes. It was. It was awesome. Like, like I remember I was running late. I was like, oh, man, I thought he's been d- trouble, and I go in, like you had pizza and people were like just sitting in jeers, and he like, had Mike had, like a little flip board of paper like in literally, the, the first part of the lectures, you know, the first night was just lecture and it was in your basement. That was pretty bold. Yup. I mean, listen, I didn't have any room in that have any money to get electroplating had room yet. Ruined your basement. There you go. Basements size so that worked out. Good. So yes, and that when I think about kind of all the how much I love doing C E in that kind of stuff, I just really wanted to do this, and then as I became then Cirque doctor started in six and my study club is growing, and then we got a new Serik specialist, and my Cirque specialists time his name is Ryan cleary Ryan was amazing. And so every time he would sell Serik he would send me an Email, and I would send an Email back to the user that just bought a machine welcomed into the serach study club and that these are the days, we Mead and this is what we do, and we look forward to having you. So we just organically grew that thing with every sale, every year by the time I stopped doing the study club in two thousand seventeen I think we let me see. It's nineteen. I think I did it sought the at the end of two thousand seventeen I stopped. The study club, we had five hundred eighty three members on my study, man were, and are they were they all Sarah, people were or was Serik or Serik Syra curious. If. You know, also either users or the maybe team members were in on that study club list, potentially, but for the most part, they were all Sarah users. Wow. That's I mean that's that's like kinda kinda concert traded cheer side CAD Cam goodness. If I've ever heard of that's amazing. And I knew I knew you had the huge club. I didn't realize it was really that big. I am curious. I want, I want you to go way back to I want you to go back to when you got your serach. So you're saying two thousand three. Okay. So this was even before, Sarah three D software. This was this was this, the red Cam right at the three D. So when we went to mid winner, and we saw the serach three hours witness OC at a practice in downtown Chicago. And when we saw that three D tooth spinning around on the screen, my boss, and he was a real techy guy. And he was like, all I get it now, basically, and then, one of the main like groups of Serik happened to practice, ten minutes, south of where I live, and he invited us to his office, and we watched him do a he did. There was a patient of the gold crown with the Kanner Neath, and it was to number twenty I'll never forget it. And he went in there. He said all right, we're just gonna take a picture of this tooth before we cut it off. 'cause the crowns in great shape, and we're gonna copy it, and we're gonna millet it out at of vita porcelain and we're gonna put it in and fifty minutes later, the guy walked out with a perfect look in crown, and I was like okay that was the coolest thing I've ever seen. What does happen the Boston right over to the rep and said, all right? Let's just get the paperwork done knows it and then was that's my journey. Start that day. So you're an associate in the office in. He bought it and you guys both kind of started using it together at the same time. Right. That's kind of cool. So, right. From the very beginning you were collaborating because it's not like you were alone in this thing. No, it shows up in your office. What do I do? Next actually had someone you, can you could like play around with it. Yeah, for sure. And he said he was a pretty techie guy. But I was the one that like even before I started the study club, this weird, like we I was me and a couple of local guys got together and one of them was the guy who we went for. A demo at office before there was like any kind of it was like, one eight hundred dentist was what kind of gave us this idea was? We were gonna start. We started pooling money together on a monthly basis. So we started a Bank account, and everyone started putting it on a monthly basis almost like a layaway program, where we would just wanted to get enough cash in the account, and then we hired a marketing agency to come in and create a marketing campaign for us TV ads radio. We were going to basically hire a call center, and we would be able to kind of field. Somebody would call in one visit crown you give them your zip code one of us, whoever was the closest one would get the call in, it was, you know, we really had this whole thing kind of planned out, and then a couple of people got spooked and then back down we ended up not doing it. And that's when I kind of focus my energy, on the study club, interesting interns. Dennis always have as good ideas to join together just seems to hit the fan of time. We are that way. That's kinda true. Yeah. I mean I had thought I had some really pretty good visionary ideas with one of the guidance. It just I think everybody wants that to see the money right away. And I don't blame them. Listen. I was in associate what the hell that I know. But, but it was it was a cool experience in it in a made. But it made me realize how much I really wanted to succeed in this for my practice in just how much it really was kind of I really found the one thing in this industry, that was really singing the me early on in my career. That's really cool. When did you graduate from dental ninety seven? Oh, yeah. So did I. Okay. So I mean you got into this really early like like early enough that, that's I mean you were you were a very young practitioner that point. And you had pre residency in finish that ninety eight practice one year in, like in mystic seaport Connecticut area right around there for year. And then moved out in nine. Nine and started working at the end of night summer of ninety nine started working at this job and stayed there for over ten years as an associate. Okay. So you had your Serik you and you're your an associate with the guy had Sirak in the Serik was at that point, it was the, it was the red Cam that, right? Yup. And it was powder. Yup. In it was it was a lot harder to get results than it is now. And you still were told you were totally into tells. Way in, like I just saw bigger picture. I didn't see the frustration of how touring and I didn't see that what I saw was when my patient sat up, and they walked out and had that crown they were like, what the hell just happened to me and. Later, and I loved that is a rush to me every single time. What does happen pay up front? Sorry, I usually come the church hips both ways. Don't worry about it. That's right. So, okay. So the selling point kind of always was the single patient or the single, visit crown then. Is that right? I mean, I know that, that was the big selling point for Sarik for dentists. I mean, I remember seeing the they had member Chicago win it one hundred years ago. They had a just a loop video of David David Letterman bitching about his temporary. Remember in that was, so the big selling point for dentists for Sarah was single visit, but, like what's interesting. It sounds like you were marketing to patients on the same level tells loaded about that. I just think that, that was something that for me rent, I it happened to me do different times in my career where really made a massive impact on. My patients, one was just initially being the first one in my area that when, when I was the associate in patients seeing that we, we, it was it was it was just the pricing, how many people? We had a practice that was very emergency based, though, a lot of root canal post in crowns. So when you can get somebody who is going to be transient coming into your office, and maybe you're not gonna see them because the back door was kinda big. We're a city practice with ninety new patients month and a Muslim state, a lot of them were only there for a short amount of time and moved away. So when somebody comes in with that, to thinking you can knock it out in one visit and they were as excited about it as you were. And you both feel like you won. It was I it was amazing to watch the growth of my practice from the year before we had Sarah to the year after he was, it was a market jump for us in the practice financially. And then when I bought my practice in seven, I bought the red it was still red. Cam seven when audit, we didn't blue Cam yet. I bought I didn't even have enough patient, probably to withstand the loan payment and I didn't care. I figured if I'm going down. I'm going down the way I like doing dentistry. And I bought it with all the other equipment that needed to get and then eight months. Later, the market crashed in hemorrhaging money. But all of a sudden, all these people from Abbott lab and Baxter. And these traders and people couldn't afford to miss work, and I would come in I was coming in early. I was staying laid just have to take off work, and I was like a young became the guy who had all the technology in town, the one visit crowned guy in, I started getting referrals and stuff that way, it was just, you know, it was my way of sort of the new guy in town in town, does not change very much all of a sudden, this new young kid in there that was way younger than everybody else. Wow. He's got this cool tool and it really I mean that came out weird. But yes. It is. And so, yeah, that was just something that, that has really helped. And now you know, I was just looking today at weirdly enough at like my some of my like yelp reviews because I've been looking at trying to work on that side of my practice a little bit. And it's amazing. How many things you get about either how great the team is or how mazing the technology is those us to things that people comment on every time in Google yelp review? And so it makes me realize how important that is to my patients. It's, it's good to hear that too, because I, I remember back in dental tone. Remember there was a time I felt a lot of shame because I wasn't really good at at doing the root canal core and crown on one. But I remember that there was a time on dental town that, that was like the pinnacle of, of dentistry. I mean what member Marshall? He always said, just, just give me a procrastinator with credit card, and I'm happy and it was all about is all about someone coming in with toothache and him being able to turn that around that quickly. Yeah. I mean, that's that. That was kind of reality. I remember that was sold as a I always felt uncomfortable doing the Endo and a crown on the same day, just just because of where where my brain was at, you know, but so that is really kind of sort of a success story because a lot of the Sarah guys were doing exactly that I mean that was kind of there. That was kind of stick it wasn't. It wasn't that they were looking at full mauve rehabs. It's they're doing exactly what you were doing. You were the guy who could turn it around in one day. So I is interesting that, that, that was not only it was marketed, not only to the dentist, but to the patients on that level. So that's interesting. And you, you said it to me resonates very strongly with myself in that, you know, I'd, I never in all the years. I've tried to do this. I think the reason that kind of done this for as long as I have from the teaching side of it is, I resonate with the everyday dentist. I mean, do I do some bigger case with it? I do. But not a lot. I mean when I get it go something really big bring Eddie corral from you bring a lab technician to do that. Do the heavy lifting exactly. 'cause I mean, I'm not an I love my lab guys. And I still use my lab. Is with Sarah from time to time but I have a great relationship with them. But I I'm a one Tuesday. Threes guy, I do one two three teeth quadrants in the post earier for eighty percent or more of my stuff that I do. So I'm the everyday dentist that's doing everything like everybody else's, and so I'm not trying to sit there. And, you know, Mike, I got we unless I get to teach with guys like Mike's cramps dead in Samir. And we got Meena Barsumian now, rising Latin just Ross n finger in these guys that are doing O'Brien puts a ridiculous stuff. And when you're seeing guys like that do that it's it's still inspiring to me, but it's not what my practices based on. So I do what works in my practice, you know, so with cool because it's a flexible technology that we can do whatever you want with it. I stopped using sir quite a while back probably ten years of were and people still ask me the daily do still have that machine that, that you can do that crown and people still remember that several years later. Listen. I tell the story many times about this is probably when I was remodelling my office. Last time it was seven years ago. And we, we just we actually downsizing the practice might landlord was taking over one of my ops, and I made him sort of reconfigure my practice so I can still have four small opera toys in there. And I they were doing some electric lexical work. I was doing I happen to have three six days. Well, three patients with Serik. So my first one was a three tooth case. My next patient was in with a regular one single unit. And the third one was a single unit. I had to search the Tuesday in one on Wednesday. I'm in the middle of the middle of milling the second unit with about five minutes left. Maybe a little less than five minutes, and all of a sudden I hear my battery backup on my Serik starting the beep. We had a power surge if fried the motherboard battery backup kicked on. So I had five minutes the thing finish milling but I couldn't mill last crown. I don't have material in my practice. I'm like holy shit. What am I gonna do this China in this woman's going to New York? The next day freaking out that she's not going to get a crown. So I walked over next door had to get like a crown former from the guy who doesn't use Eric made him at mater, a temporary cemented. The other two crowns on and my, my front desk comes she goes, can I call the other patients and let him know that machine's not working, and I said, yeah, that's fine. I said, we'll just take PBS impressions, and no big deal. The two afternoon patients cancelled didn't want it. Yes. She started calling the Tuesday morning patient. The first one canceled. I heard him like stop calling patients. I called Persson. They had loaner out like at the end of the afternoon. They came out the overnighted, the part, they had it fixed me the following day. And it was great. I mean their services awesome. But a moral story for me was my patients know me as the guy who doesn't on the same day, and they were willing to just come back only have to come once in, I think that for me when I talked to other doctors, the monies, I listen, I've certainly made enough money to buy the machine from red to blue Omni data and I paid for my machine. I'm not I do not get free machines. I paid Sheen's try this point. I know more enough. You hear me run on a very loyal user of your materials. Jason I tried to wheel out in Chicago, and they were having none of that say that right now. You get special deal. I pay for all my blocks paper every once in a while somebody comes by drops a sleeve off for you. I mean great. But I mean I pay for everything, and I still manage to do pretty well with it. And but I realized that much money as it can make a dentist. It's the patient, when they tell you how much of a short is to get at your to get to your practice. It's a big deal. I mean it's a big deal to them to not have to come multiple times. And I you know now it's, it's just second knowledge in my practice. But, you know, you start to realize it more and more with the affirmations from the patients over in over and over again. And that's really where I build my practice on what my patients are looking for and for me, that's what now they look for my practice. So it's been wonderful. So the Omni Cam came on was that two thousand eleven is that in my right about that. I know they had a big at a big desert. They had a big Serena world thing, and it was like, well, Octo August two thousand twelve okay? And they had the big big the show, the big show tells a little bit about that you were there. I was there too. I was it was it was I said it was it was the most surreal experience because nobody knew what was coming. I didn't know it was coming and my three of my best friends tested, the damn machine. Didn't tell me so Samir peak our Nell in scramming all had the machine Fleming knew about a two, and none of them said anything we talk to each other all the time. So we honest are they bad people? Yes, it's get record but, but great were the secret so Alan something they're not going to rant it out. I mean it's good to know. They're still horrible people, but they get your good in them, but they have a lot of my secret. So I can't really say many. Only give up some of the crap that I have on agree blackmail folder on a lot of people, which is why I still get the lectures much as I do. So good for you. It's nothing. I promise you that. And the Rosenblatt dossier. My no pictures after nine edict is. Who's okay? I wanna know who do you have the P tape on? That's what I ran. You don't have to say that everything cliffhanger, probably a common friend of ours. I suspect, I says, probably knows them. I probably have. Went there. It went there people. All right. So. Tell us tell us about the sorry. So when that came out all of a sudden they give these wristband you're walking into the room. Ingo Zimmer gets up there, and he starts talking and all of a sudden the music starts jamming and everybody's wristband. It was like a Coldplay concert. And everybody's wristbands start going on in the music's going crazy. And they launched the Omni Cami scanning in his mouth and doing all the stuff. And then the side after the whole like fifteen minutes or twenty minutes thing, the side, doors open to the, the lecture hall, and it's now the floorspace, and you just see, like thirty Omni cams like, in a link in a horseshoe around each other with all the reps there and do you remember the movie trading places with any Murphy, and Dan ackroyd? Looking good Billy Ray. Okay. So when at the end of the movie when they're sitting in the, the trading pin, and they're trying to get to maneuver the market in everybody is waving papers at them trying to get their sales in. That's what this was like reps were in the back and people were five people deep waving papers at the it was crazy. I've never seen anything like that in my lifetime. It was unbelievable. Katy perry. Less time. Yeah. Didn't any Perry was really good. I, I was actually I was going to buy a blue Cam the day before Oma God, I left. And then I went as I pulled back and went to the show here, it is the on McCain release was, was, like, everyone that story was kind of amazing, and I think it also set the tone for like later, Serono world and dense Fleiss Rona world, because everyone was wondering if they were ever built with top that, that sort of info moment, you know, when Omni came came on, like you said, the opened the doors was all that stuff. I think. I think it's almost that weird tone for this meeting to be that big of a deal because I was such a huge deal. You know, here's what a good and bad came out of that. I mean it really it put that meeting on the map is something special because you don't get moments like that. I mean listen, I've, I've been a lot of those meetings. There's been a lot of good ones. There's been some okay ones, but that one was like the penultimate moments as I was concerned. I think the problem ended up being that every from that moment, everyone thought that every time you go to Diaz world, there's gonna you're gonna have to buy something. So I think there was a couple of meetings in a row where there wasn't launches. I mean you get a new software thing or something that there was never a hardware launch because they really I think I, I don't know this for sure. But I really believe it that they were. They were like listen. We don't want people to feel like every year, it's going to have to be some massive piece of equipment that we're gonna have to buy, and Nick, they've been really. I mean listen. It's been it's seven years now since nominee was locked launched its along time for a for a piece of technology. So I'm thrilled to have the price can now. It's a what, what was interesting. I've been to I've been to DS world, the last two of them, I was in the last Vegas one. And in both Jason I were at in Orlando last year. And it was funny. I remember both of them since a lot of the a lot of the fans. I mean that, that meeting is full of people who are really fans of technology. There's, you know, in a lot of more like, man, you know, or are they gonna have the big rollout and stuff? So I think part of it is, yeah, people don't want, you know, there, there's a little hesitation of. Oh, god. I gotta buy more hardware than the other parties like I wanna buy came. I came to DS world, and I wanna see the show. I wanted like years ago. They had they had, they had a live. They had live implant placement thing that was pretty sexy. I'll say that amazing. So, yeah. I mean, like it's just it was just interesting how they've done that they've sort of become this giant show. And then when they roll the prime skin out technically the first time in the United States, he saw it was the mid winner this year. I mean they had a lot of prime scans at the booth. But, but I mean, they didn't I thought that was interesting that they didn't have the same kind of roll out, and I wonder well so they did. This with the prime game what they did with got a bunch of the KOL's out in Charlotte a couple of weeks before. So a bunch of us got to check it out before. I mean, the buzz was ridiculous. It was really fun. And then they did a great job of kind of laying out little hints. Online on all the different social medias, and they really use social media like savages, in my opinion, great job, just kinda lane out there in that day that they decided to launch it was everywhere. It was scape it on any social media. Whatever it was. You were if you were dentist you're gonna see something about that. We actually we actually rolled out a interview with Grammy. Yes daily. They even we even had that. I remember they screaming maybe promised wouldn't put it out until X day. So that was pretty. Yeah. That's very true. So in other words, instead of having it be the big rule out at the meeting. They did the big rollout by of internet and social media, which is kind of really that much more. How many more people are gonna win that then going to a meeting with seven thousand people, they probably hit seventy? Thousand less of this show every one of 'em, how seventy thousand listeners. So before I go for I, I wanna hear everything because you've had the prime skin since since February. So that's that's really exciting. I wanna hear all about that. But I do want to tell you I wanna hear about like how the on the Cam change it from, you know. So you had the blue Kim, you got you got in the Ana Cam tell tell us about, like the, the game changer of no powder and all that stuff. Tell tell me about how much of a game changer that wasn't them and ask you about the prime skin. It was it was very listen. I loved my blue cabinet so it was a really good piece of equipment for me personally, especially when the software change to the four point -o software. You can use that on the blue Cam also it was, it was a solid. You know, it was easy to it was just easy to do for quadrant dentistry. But NAMI, Cam was really let you kind of image wherever you wanted to add. It was total freedom in, in the camera. Not having powder was was pretty frigging. Awesome economy was very small. So you were kind of going all over the place. And that was a big in. It was weird when when. Ryan's game went to a bigger camera. But I'll tell you that it's I don't miss the size of the camera even remotely from the from the Omni size. But it was it really was one of these things where when the color all that kind of stuff was just really neat on in very different. And then the software was was was pretty spectacular. So I, I really I loved kind of where was where it was from just the kind of the powder, image, and all that kind of stuff to getting to something that was at least getting to be more realistic. I mean now where we're at now is, is a huge dump even from there. But it was a it was a really nice jump from going from the static images. We did to doing something very, very different. So okay, what's interesting about it is, of course, like the kind of the kind of change that. The kind of change that you had from the blue Cam to the Omni Cam was. Do you feel like like that change with the color in the no powder and all that stuff? Did that bring in a whole new generation of Syracuse IRS? Or do you feel like it was just it was just a they sort of from the more a lot of people involved in the blue Cam to the on McCain? Because I tend to think that I think a lot of people are turned off by the powder, even if they didn't know to be turned off by the powder that they were turned off by the powder. You know. So you had even the cameras at weren't using powder at the time, I think he for D was a powder free camera, but, you know, but it was static. It wasn't moving around at the time. So when they came out with this one that you can just move around. It was like a video camera, so to speak and, and capture all the images. I think the ease of that kind of capturing compared to what it was and not using powder in, in and being named maneuver around and arch a lot easier definitely was one of those things I mean, there's in the in the journey of Serik that I've been there for sixteen years, there's definitely been seminal moments along the way that have been kind of flagship moments that the three d with the red Cam was very big the, the, the how quickly and nice and sharp images, where with the blue Cam compared to read was the second one e max in two thousand eight was a massive of Boone because it would, then it became a materials war, and then Omni was big. And then it was. Really in my then it was zirconiums Konia. Yeah. With the speed fire oven, and I would always get people's. I'm not doing this until we can do same days or Konia. So they were always kicking the tires. And there was always some everybody always has a reason that they don't do it, and that's fine. I mean, again, doesn't matter to me, if people buy or not the, the longer takes the weight, the better is for me locally, so I don't really care. But yeah, but I have every person might town had one I wouldn't care. One, one little iota separate a good point. So what's your workflow right now? What are you, are you knowing about county now you still going back to e max or go to, I would say, for me, I do outweigh Moore's or Coney than I ever thought I would I have to say that without resume the fit. And how, how nice the anatomy is in it's just and being able to cement versus bond is very, very nice, but from an aesthetic standpoint, I still think IMAX for me in a high stress Ramic is still a nicer looking thing than than some of these are Kony's, but Catanha. Is a really pretty Konia in and three. I'm just came out with her Konia that is it mills very fast. It's not quite as pretty as Qatada is, but, but it's I put into today, very serviceable in nice and strong hells over thousand mega pets cows. So and you can use resume defy glass on it, and it's a twenty two minute fire. So I mean, I'm doing those I did one today in, in ninety minutes you know, start to finish with me. Mean with that Razi? That's crazy. Good. That's crazy. Are your assistance doing a lot of that or I just brought my team back? So I it's, it's so sad that I'm saying this in admitting it. I mean, listen, I teach Serik to a lot. I mean, a lot of people every year, it's, it's a whole side living for me. And my team has been with me and the most training to get is never from me in the office because I don't have where so busy. We don't have time to kind of sit down the way I would like to. So I have two wonderful assistant, I have four wonderful by two that are young and really love this Eric machine. So I took them in my associate Scottsdale last weekend, and they took level to which is kind of bridges in advanced quadrants and stuff like that, and level three, which is implants as they didn't know how to do any of it, and they came back the weekly came back. They did three implant like Konia split abutment case, they did a screw retained crown. They did a Maryland bridge that we delivered like a couple of hours ago on a guy who just had a, a tooth taken out on number nine and we put the Maryland bridge. And so they do they do the proper imaging. They do the design I drill kind of check a couple of things for them and then glue it in and they do everything else. Jason's like Jason's, like his mouth is watering onto that I can tell. Honey, can you check the checking account SIA much? We got in. Exactly trust you team. I mean, honestly the machine in the new software really does, especially with the prime scan the offer does a really nice job of doing a lot of the workforce. So there's mean you gotta do a little bit here and there, but we've really you know, Sam and Mike and Meena in the guys myself, we've really done. We work really hard to come up with with kind of workflows and designing strategies to help like a four step process to make it work really quick. A couple of tools. Master those, you can do ninety percent of your cases or more, which just a couple of not like minimal knowledge. So I think anybody now can can kind of jump in there and make it work. I really do. So obviously that landscape is kinda changed a little bit since two thousand three within digital scanners and milling units and. Obviously have some detractors now what, what do you say to people that are kind of evaluating the whole landscape of everything, like wanting to die in and there's they're seeing like a meta. They're seeing like a trio send they're trying to figure stuff out. Or would you what would you say to somebody just trying to thinking? You got you got to figure out what your endgame is. You know, I mean you got people out there that never wanna do any, they don't want to scan one thing in their life. I like Ahmadi like, you know, God, forbid. Never get an entering, you know. He jeez, killing it. Why would he want one? Interestingly. He's abet as crowns are being fabricated into digital workflow, even though like they scan is impressions for sure, right? Like you can't really get away with, but yeah, so he's so you've got the people that don't want gang and all. And then they are then you have the people that are going to kick the tires forever in there just scared to make a change in their practice. And I understand those people, the just they're just they're the people who are the, you know, they, they'll, they're just over analyzing everything in their never. They just can't imagine what the amount of workflow in their head that it's gonna take the chain stuff. Then yeah. People say, I don't wanna be a lab tax. They only wanna get into d I and listened, the is awesome. I don't think there's a massive return on investment for d I, but I think that I again I have the prime scan I have now and I'll we'll talk about that when I get to it, but I've I'm now eliminating all PBS for my practice because of how good the prime scan is. And listen, there's a lot of really good. Scanners out there. You know. And they all worked. So it just depends on kind of what the bigger picture of what you wanna do is. And then if you're somebody that your big thing is I wanna do same day crowns. There's no better kind of universe than the Saragan verse for that Sarah Sarah has that lockdown. They have had that lockdown. On what I find when chemotherapy, is that it wasn't a digital impression system. I it was actually a cheer side, CAD Cam system. I like the camera came out the same time as the mill in that Bose mind when you think about it like they didn't mess around. They didn't say, hey, look at this weekend skin teeth that that was not at all. It was like, no no, no. Now, we scan teeth, you're gonna deliver the crown the same day, and we have the whole system is built built to work that way. So I mean, if you're looking at, at cheer side stuff, I mean, you really it's, we know people who are doing chair site outside of the Serik system. But let's be honest man. Sarah started it in Sarah still has the most refined workflow on that of anyone, you really gotta go out of your way to do it. In other other ways is the other thing that it has it. Nobody else has it has the community. When in all honesty. I say this very selfishly because I'm super proud of what's been built. Sarah doctors com, especially there's other little communities. But the, you know there's keeps Eric on Facebook. There's you look at the passion of these people that push the envelope of you, you're in, you, probably get on that site. And you see what Donald tell on there and the people who are members of our circle dot com site. I mean, the amount of the Serra community. I find is very, they're very pay it forward like they want everybody to be better in that using it. So they offer so much help and so much they never want anybody to fail in. So I find that so refreshing that are so many users out there and you can find him in your town, you can in its hence the reason I was able to build that study club is at a bunch of people who are outside the box, thinker is a little bit. And now maybe not even so much because it's becoming so much more mainstream than kind of win me in the guys in the early days, were doing it. It's I really feel like you beyond all the other stuff. Sarah brings in the safety net to you that a lot. Of the other places, don't have because there isn't this organized community that has your back twenty four seven on multiple social media, or like art site, or things like that. That's a really good point. It's really funny. How that, that, that sort of community was sort of almost born on dental town back in the day to write, like, sort of bunch of bunch of guys that got this goofy, Eric technology gather, and they had a place to talk about it on dental tone in low bowl that sort of become this gigantic thing. Listen, I remember when back in two thousand three when I got it, I got mine about three months before Samir did. And I didn't know Samir personally at that point, I just knew virtually and I got it, and then I think scramming audit right around the same time as me and then Sam got it right. Afterwards inflammatory had it a couple years. And thus in Todd Erlich were like the only people who ever posted cases, a my cases where but, but ugly, I mean they were gnarly and I got my ass handed to me on dental town and like a dumb idiot. I just kept posting like I just didn't care. And at least I had these guys that were still posting stuff. And there's way nicer the mine. So I'm like, well, I'm gonna try to make that happen in their giving. Tips and tricks even on dental town and. And it really was kind of the birth of, of it all because that was the only place we had to go. There wasn't Facebook in all these other places to read. So that's where we went in. It was it was that was the breeding ground for at all. And that's, that's like we're the community where you basically that's where the advantage of, of cheer side, CAD Cam comes from the community kinda started their it sort of crazy and actually, those threads are still. They're like if you wanted to go look there's still fricking. They're like you can see history. You're totally see the history this movements nuts. But I remember when, when Sam started the when he when they when they did the message board on Sarah, doctors dot com. They basically did it in way, when the guys like myself in Gardell in scramming, and flam, and those guys Jeff caso in darn green hall, back in the day, we were the early faculty there, and we were trying to moderate, the, the kind of the vocab, you know, the way it was we just wanted to be where it wasn't. You weren't getting attacked didn't matter. If you wanted to sit there and tell somebody dude, you need to fix this. But give me a constructive way of telling me how to do it, and we're all in. So we didn't loud like. The way it wasn't dental tower was just too vicious. And so we let constructive criticism happen. But we also were there to say, hey, great job. This is great. But if you just do this, this, this, and this, it's gonna take your case from looking this way to really up into the next level, and I think that that's where and we still continue that way today, and in because it's just Syracuse the banter kinda stays on in that lane, which is kinda nice. So he knows the time now's the time to unleash the beast. I wanna hear all about the prime skin. I wanna hear how you heard about it when you heard about it. When you got a chance to start using it, like tells everything about, you know, how it makes a workflow different better the software because that's the only a lot of people don't realize that it isn't just it isn't just the, the scanner like scanners great, but I mean, like they also they also change the software over to work with the new scanner. So tell us everything gives the whole spiel again. So my one of my best friends in the world peak are Dell. And I talked every seven fifteen every Monday morning, my phone rings or peaceful and rings, we speak every month. Good morning just to catch up on what's going on. And that son of a bitch has been testing the sins like August of last year and never said a word to me, scrambles been using it the same amount of time. Never said a word to me. Meena gets it in December, or something like that never multiple flights to Germany. And yet, and I have no absolutely no clue. And so then the KO L thing happens just like son of a bitch. And this is unbelievable. And so I go to mid-winter and I walked right up to my branch manager and said other than Meena who had it. I, I said, I need to be the first person in Chicago to have this. I don't care. What I just I'm just tell it's in my office on Monday. And I went crazy for three days at the midwinter and on Monday. It was in my office. So and so I've had it since the Monday after mid winter. And I gotta tell you, it is for me. I you know I've been talking about for forty minutes on here. It is. I love it. I breathe the technology. I've never ever been this excited about what it's done, and I was telling Jason before you got on earlier before we stop. Recording. The one thing that it did for me was this, and this is how I can tell people how much game changer this prime skin. It's for me. I can scan an upper lower in a buckle bite into minutes. I mean, like with then that's kind of like a long thing I could with if I have an assistant helping me or if I have an opt in there it's I can do it in faster than that. It's really lightning fast, and beautiful pictures, so Crispin clear, and I realized that it takes me way longer just to do one arch on a PBS impression that I don't even know if it's going to be perfect or not patients can't stand it. So why in God's name, I gonna continue to do this. So I didn't have a three D printer. I don't have room for three printer in my little eleven hundred square foot for practice. I am now building. I'm building out my lab. So I'm spending money on a build out, just like put into three D printer and get everything. I want to go models in my practice or, or PBS. Listen stoneless in my practice. So we're doing we're getting a three d. Printer. We got rid of invis- align. And now we are do we went to hear smile because prime skin is not being accepted by invis- line. And I don't wanna use my Omni Cam in the Ortho software, because I'm not a huge fan of the Ortho software. So now I go, and I started sure smile, which is did my deliver my first case this week, it was great snap, right? In look beautiful. Nice little nice day liners were nice in. Scalloped inwards, really. Well done, so, and it's a thousand dollars less than invis- line all in yet, it's like twelve fifty versus eighteen seventy nine in another three hundred and something dollars for the stupid VERA retainers. So, so for me I've, I'll I'd rather save that money and use the machine. I wanna use I this thing has got me to the point where my team and I are getting rid of everything that analog and we're going completely digital and I didn't expect to do that for a long time. So that's the impact that it's had a, my office, which is something that I mean this stuff's been around for a little while. Three printers and stuff. And I was this was the moment for me. There was the prime skin that didn't that was a tipping point. That's I mean, that's kind of the dream to know that I know that when it came out in Chicago we're talking with Grammy. And it's like the, the dream is the dream is here. I mean like literally the all the all the things all the techniques that you had to learn to scan well with the Omni Cam with blue game with, with lots of other scanners. This apparently has learning curve is almost nothing like, basically, it's, it's real. It's more. It's more was the word I'm looking more forgiving of your technique, apparently. That's one thing. That's Grammy said is like the learning the learnings much easier. It is. It is. I mean anyone can pick up that camera honestly, and getting their throwing something like an gate and even if you don't the lip gets in the way you pull it out, you just scan over the area so you get the actual tooth the lip disappears, not that we want Jay. Let's go anywhere. It's very important. But, you know, little veers naked. So, and it just it really makes things I'm not saying that any technology is going to have especially the new ones. You know, people are gonna get online, and listen to this podcast, and they'll be complaints of. Oh, I had listen, if you're over imaging 'cause you used to doing it the old way with the army, and trying to turn the camera in every direction this thing because of the size of the camera. And the size of the lens the acquires, a million data points per second on the Cam was like five hundred fifty thousand or something like that. So it's like so much more data. So you have to scan so much less, so we're going to be in there for a long time. Gets what's going to happen? If you try to scan that much data, you're probably gonna get in trouble into things going to well, yeah, this is the data points. Boggs everything down Meru, we'll your hands and go. You know. So that's the fun part for me is just, you know, watching my team in I and just it's been a really wonderful it, I can't, I'm so excited about it. And I feel like I don't wanna sound like she'll I mean, listen, I get paid to do classes, but I don't get paid for anything. Else. I'm you know, that's all I get paid for in all my classes are just introducing people into into Serik ruin. They gets Eric just teaching them to be better at it. So you feel like having the prime skin that, that, that actual teaching is easier now. Because the technology just so much easier. Learn listen, the thing automatically margin, it's so it doesn't margin perfect every time it gets really close. It's it sets. There's a bunch of steps that already presets for you. And it has his AI feature to it that after a while it really starts nailing, your preps, if you get any kind of space between your prep and the, and the gum tissue, it kinda just finds it like ninety for me. I would say about eighty percent of the time on probably right there with getting my margins there. So it's. Court or using a laser most of the time. Sometimes neither. Just depends on where, you know, if I'm kind of, at the gum line or just I mean I will not pack their no way, if I'm a millimeter of ginger Bill, I will. But I mean, even done times where I I'm not because the gum tissues, not bleeding things going to see it, and it does color, the color. The color gradient is really amazing that way. And that's like I tend to agree that, that it's funny that there's, I've said this, and people think are nuts, but, but I think in some cases with skin, I am, for sure. It's okay with scanning the core doesn't have as much advantages, does with, like a three dimensional PVS or IMP ago, kind of thing. Like, like, honestly, it's more about visualizing that margin if you see it, you can scan it versus. Like you got actually make room for the material to get down in there. I know a lot of people are saying that sloppy. But if I can avoid pack and court, I'm going to vote it only because it's just that much more steps doing out. Would I do is I take like a number two cord? I pack it. Circumstantially I call it. All I need is digital flash. So I don't usually get down there. I just need that. Vertical wall beyond the top of the margin that little bit long as I can see that circumstantially just by getting that bed. Number two court to pull the tissue away. I'm done that things going to nail it. That's just it's it's that's the great part about it. I don't have to sit there and worry if I pull the cord I'm gonna start bleeding. Like I get the number to court and get everything out of the way. It's just let's get this done the through the cool. Yeah. Are you with? Are you worried? The software is gonna be so good that you won't need to teach people anymore that it is kind of people plug it in and go to town. Luckily, there's always like me that I'm. You know, I always say, I'm the low hanging fruit. I'm the I'm the lowest common denominator mitt, I can get this thing work, and it works in my practice knows this thing's gonna go places because I'm dying the Rosenblatt factor. It's been tested, the old Apollo DIA scanner years ago. And then I broke it five seconds, using and then they had to actually reconfigure the whole body chassis of the machine, and they put these metal bars over the handles over the top to protect the screen, and I went to ideas I said, what the hell is that? And the guy from the was with me in the in the testing sorta laughing goes Rosen bumpers, you like them Rosen, the bumpers like that they should skip. Skip scramming into goes straight to you them. Start out. You like the you're like a regular Chuck Yeager, if you will grant you get anything work. I'm no. He's like junk Yeager. I'm like Howard Walla wits the guy. In the space craft and I don't know where anything is. And I'm freaking out like I'm more that guy. Okay. They need that guy. They need that guy. Yes. There's, there's an AI component where it gets kinda learns your margin techniques. Learns your preps a little bit. But within judge. Yeah. Yeah. Everything judges you. But I I'm not really sold on it, until it actually knows your coffee preferences in can do that. If it can do that, then probably it's really ready to go. That, that AI was my assistant that my assistant information that's the I don't hurt that information that she brings me coffee. So that's the other this is on this is being recorded, so that's gonna go over really well for you that you said that I like that they don't. It's exactly I get. So tell me about the software like, okay, so we're, we're bragging about the camera. How easy what, what kind of improvements that they bring to the software for four chair side? I mean like people who are using it just from pressures. It's one thing, but for chair side like the cheer side, CAD Cam delivery. What, what are they change in the software? You know what it software hasn't changed? I mean, we got we got a touchscreen, so there's that, but. How long did it take you? How long did it take you to get used to the not having the trackball? That's the real question. Getting used to it. Honestly. It's funny. So there's a guy who's is really good three D print a guy. You know, David, Honey. Yes, I don't I'm sorry. David weighing, Honey, or whatever. He's like he's like an Uber nerd when it comes to anything three D printing, and he's got it. Prime skinny practices in the town over from me. And he just got this wireless track while he's like trying and trying to get used to this, and he bought this wireless track on flying through stuff now and I want to buy it, while my assistance while the training and I ask them. Hey, can I get this track while they're like, no, we like to touch pad in the touchscreen? So they like it. It's what they're used to. I missed the track ball. I think it's kind of what your what your preferences, but that definitely took a little getting used to as new user as an old user, who's a new user now, the software really doesn't hasn't changed very much. The look is much cleaner. Most of that stuff, I think a lot of it's just the, the inside as far as the, the, the way that the software makes the proposals that really nice as a really. Proved that side of things. But user, the user interface is still really easy. I mean it's like you didn't have to relearn how to mill around or anything like that. Very, very, very, it's almost exactly the same, really the same workflow as the other way couple little new things here and there like the tools, look a little different as far as on the screen, but they're pretty much the same position in everything they just the icons of chains a little bit. So it just getting used to that stuff. That's exciting. Yeah, it is. So you're, you're I mean you're a big fan in. You're, you're pretty happy with this whole thing, and you're, you're, you're you're as excited about as ever Evan. I love it. You know, like tell everyone, listen. The great thing is, there's so many good choices out there. You gotta find the choice. That's right for you. I'm here to say I love CAD Cam, I love Sarah specially I love being part of that, whole like that ecosystem in that world in the community, especially which is the number one, the Allieu no me a long time. You know that I'm guy who's a super social, you know that. Mark Fleming calls me like the mayor Sarik doctors as joke. But I like I know a lot of people I love hanging out with people. That's kind of my thing I love doing the dinners that I always do. I mean that's my world. So I like being involved in a community has that aspect to it. Whereas the other the other machines they have great. They all work. They all image. Well, there may be a little cost difference. There's all this kind of thing. So I think as a user, you got a test drive them all. And then decide is the community really important to me, and my somebody who loves the e. So I wanna get involved with that, and you bleed spear, and stuff like those things, or is it just my bottom line? I only care about numbers. I only care about this, and then you've got a lot of lower priced options that are out there and you're not going to really go horrifically wrong with a lot of them. I just think that what has been launched from the price can side, mice. Graham said said the other day, which was very scary to me said the program said this thing's only at fifty percent of its capacity of what it can be able to do that. Scary held me in the best way possible. That's, that's cool though. You got some heads base to, to work a lot. It's kind of awesome. I don't like anybody some and despite met it. I don't want that can. So I mean, the reality is Jason I sit in our basement, and in talking to Mike phones alone. So that maybe maybe the communities and ever ever a ham radio. It's not for money, and I get that, so that you gotta find what, what about the digital impressing resonates the most with you? And then from there, then there's a good decision tree from that. Well, it sounds like it sounds like the enthusiasts to the nice thing is if you wanna like not use the the, the easy. The easy workflow for tier side CAD, Cam that Sarah is essentially created you still can use the, the it's still great for digital impressions. In other words, in, you know, it's okay, so I'm gonna use the term because I don't know. Is it open source, how open sources because I know that was that was a concern that, that Serena had at some point. But it sounds like they've really changed. You can ask styles now and all, I think, OB, Jade, whatever all those other files are. I mean, I think all you have the opportunity to send all of those out so you can get all those to your labs, do all this kind of things. And so that really hasn't been an issue. I've done that for a couple of different things that I've need to for, you know, guides and I had printed, and thanks and I don't have a printer and stuff like that. So, yeah, so all that stuff is now certainly available in there's no cost to export that so yeah, it's a great great aspect of it. It's no longer a closed system. I any means. So one of the goals, I had talking with you was just to kind of almost go through the history of, of. Sarah in, in your history of Ciragan in honesty. Your history, reflects the history of Sarah, at least the United States, which is kind of exciting. This is a good thing. We have never really covered that completely on the show, but I do want to spend a couple minutes because you, you mentioned that, you know, you sorta got your start in speaking, and in the in the community and stuff by creating would ended up being a gigantic study club in Chicago. But now you're onto something you sort of changed the direction a little bit of it, or, or what have you tells a little bit about what you guys are doing over there in Chicago for, for continuing education because it's pretty exciting that you, you your team is put this stuff together. I'd love for you, and Jalen to come out and kind of see what we're trying to build. It's a lot of fun. You know, I again, I'm a C junkie, Jason really hate Chicago, though. So, you know. A lot of people don't like you this. We're, we're killing people at record rates here, who would want to gab. It's Chicago's honestly. I love Chicago, too. I'm just joking like jaisigher. It's our February date. Jason I meet their every year. It's very nice. I love that. You know, little Rahman little that's, that's right now a lot of Ramadan. Let's be honest. So what happened was a couple of years ago. I just I started getting burnt out a little bit on the study club because I was doing all the lectures, I did every lecture from two thousand five to two thousand thirteen I was doing nine lectures year new lecturers all the time, and it just got cumbersome because I wasn't getting paid. I was just kinda building my repertoire and using, you know, kind of utilizing the people kinda listen and or was like honing your craft at a comedy club or something like that. And so then I realized and then honestly to be to be perfectly. Frank about you or the engine of that thing. You're the reason it was going because you were pushing stores only reason it was fine into its, but that's internal in me. So I didn't even feel like that was something that just I wanted to do it. So it was going to happen, and, and as long as people were coming and it kept growing, and growing in the night, this wonderful partner, who was the Serik specialist. I just went out for lunch with today because he's patient of mine. He we were just talking about the history. Of that. And that today is a matter of fact, and so, so, at, and then he moved on, and then I was. And then I started is I was getting so busy traveling. I was traveling forty weeks a year. Sometimes add that in Meena was just coming up. Anthony ponzi. Oh who are my two partners? In study club working their way up the ranks a little bit. And ponds train basic trains, with me in Chicago. So we kinda run basic training and Meena was doing a bunch of other stuff in, and I was just, you know, I trained Meena so menas my student Pons was one of the other trainers. But I was just as I was getting busy. I was kind of feeding them lectures, and then they were, they were killing it, and so they started getting super-busy and then really involve Sarah doctors, and then I said, start lecturing for the study club a little bit. And so they were doing that. So the three of us started running that finally, we got to the point where Meena sat me down Danes. Like, why are we doing what's what's our end goal with, with all this, and I really don't know kinda get tired. And he's like I had this idea we started talking about. About sort of creating this kind of comprehensive study club because it was hard to come up with Sarah copy all the time, here we went we went off topic, and we would bring in, like t- members and stuff like that we get massive. We our biggest one was actually Brian lasting a couple years, Scher area was the get it done day yet. It was like it was when he just started like my, my team is trying to kill me lecture. I think is whatever that one is. That was ours was the first one he ever did that lecture to, and however many years ago, that was, and, you know, we all these members but not everybody came Patterson can only hold seventy five people. So we had a sign up list in the I seventy five could go we went to a private thing because all these team members wanted to go. We had two hundred fifty eight people thirty eight people or something like come the last lecture. Imagine a local snug in two hundred thirty eight bucks as an amazing. So, so I just was like, you know, we wanted to do something bigger that went outside the box. And so I wanted I was tired of traveling so much. So I wanted to get some of my C E right here. So Meena and I and and ponds just kind of split up. We figured out what all our duties would be split. I said duty and then got duty. You know it's not a podcast if you don't say duty and so in each split up kind of what we demean is really great with, like the tech stuff we call him Russell when when whenever you call up. And that guy, enter the phone foreign accent. And you ask them what his MRIs Russell? And so, so Meena is our Russell. And so he he, he sets up our Email campaigns, and he does all the online stuff. We have this really cool way that people check in. So when you check in you sign him with his ipad, it takes a picture of your face. We have an automatic printer prints at your name, your picture and automatically download your C E credits to the aged, you get an Email, that your c- credits have been downloaded. So everything comes to you, the second you sign in to our lecture. So we're really high tech in that respect Ponzi. Oh is works. He got us the see certification. So he went through the whole process. He worked for the mid western university, and kind of work through all the stuff for us. And I kind of have all of the relationships with the vendors obviously, with the existing user base. The three of us we just, you know, and then pond started working on all of the day to day stuff of the and it was great. It just this three great friends that had a common goal to bring some better CE, and we started creating a list of what we wanted to hear we figured, well, we gotta be kind of the norm of what we wanna hear. So we started doing stuff, and then we started realize what is the team wanna hear what is the hygiene wanna hear. So now we started creating this, you know, six six any year content in a really state of the art facility pavilions something else. I know Jason every time Jason looks at it. He gets a little jealous jealous really, really beautiful. And so we just stumbled upon it one day. And so, so we create, you know, we have the ability to, to purchase a season pass. I have friends of mine that, you know, one of my good Buddy's, Mike. Snyder Giuliani lives out Michigan, they, and they just, you know, even if they come out for like two of the big guys like last year there and destroy from spear this year, we had Josh Austin and, and. Again. Josh Austin, but but, you know, I've talked about him t- dunk. That's who they had favor chat. I've never heard her before she was amazing. She. So, so the, you know, and we filled that room pretty well. And so we just so that's where we're trying to kind of do a nice little you gave me a great referral. You were talking about Jamison, Spencer. So we actually have his nephew Cameron. Yeah. Yeah. TM J TMD, Israel. Good sleep at the end of the year for us. So he's doing a full day on that. And so we just have really high end speakers. We got Lee coming up in the to do a whole photography courts. Fisher of O'Brien coming out to do hands on interior and push your composites. So we really try to bring in some well, no names at a really reasonable cost. We give food we give you know to thirty something see credits year. And it's just been it's been a lot of fun. I mean like the year the year pass is very appealing because particularly for people who are local enough that it's not a big stretch to get there. How much how much you charge it for like all that? See for the year was ridiculous. I remember the. Yeah. I think we well, so the other thing that we do is everyone who joined for the season, we I basically hit up all the vendors because we have vendors who sponsor because it's expensive deal in their one, exactly. And it's great for them because they get to sit in front of seventy eighty whatever how many people show up at a meeting and not have to travel on the road and go to seventy different. Offices. They just get them all in one place, which is really nice. So we make them donate swag. So we get these nice swag bags that we give every year, and we fill him with swag from all the different vendors. And from us yetis a bonding agent locks you name. All we've gotten all kinds of mice anger made us a customized. Composite Burbach that Chicago study club, then everybody got a bird lock to go home with and with Burs in it. You know, and just cool stuff. We got really wonderful support. And so you get that. And you know, I think last year's value of the bag was like most almost a thousand bucks. And I think we charge like sixteen ninety nine or seventy nine for the year flick, ton ac-. Under fifty dollars a unit proceed. So it was really cheap. And so it was it's been a lot of fun. I mean, and then the other thing I tried to do locally was, I started a Facebook page called Chicago land, CEO vents. And so for people in Chicago, it was really hard. We have we have a local. There's like this dental peeps network, and so they have mall over the place. And initially they were there for the greater good of the, the people in the area or really just became a way for them to sell wares. It seems like for the most part. So when I wanna promote when I wanted to promote a study club because I was Chicago when we wanna do that all you can't sell promote would the hell you here for people want. See they wanna ask why can't promote it? So I started a web, a Facebook group called Chicago land sea events that anyone can join whether you're out of town in, you're like, oh, let me see if there's an event in Chicago on this weekend coming to travel and they wanna find one or when you're living in. Here and you don't know what you want to know what's going on. I let benders I let speakers I let people just looking for anyone can join post anything they want as far as their they can post any C E event, they want. And then I actually make them uploaded to the event calendar. And there's a calendar on the site that you can just go to buy the date you're coming to look for, and you can find how many people speaking that weekend, and where the events are all that kind of stuff, so Chicagoan like southern Wisconsin northeast Indiana northwest, Indiana. I mean so so that's been really cool. I've been trying to build that. And, and just let local people try to find the, whether it's ours or somebody else, there's lots of, you know, I'm see junkie. That's awesome. You could also go to the dental hacks nation. We can we plug it there, sometimes too. So, so little group were familiar with. So I guess the one thing I wanted to ask. So if you were to buy like to buy the season pass. Are you allowed to touch DARREN'S knows if you do that? I mean at your own risk. Yeah. Now, I feel I feel like Darren should take one for the team and just throw that in as part of this wag the yeti kissing booth. Everybody just stick behind table in the band lineup lineup everyone. Just touches their his nose Shah. Exactly. I totally think that, that's that would be a good swag, so annoyed every time that you and I talk because he knows it's coming out. He he Halabi and you know, it was okay in dental school, he can hate me all he wants. But in dental school is cool party trick. Like people love that, right? Like he had his big yet as big fro and he was like that was his party trick. We're gonna know of men so. Yeah. So. Paybacks are hell listen. He makes fun of me for being the, The Danny devito to his Arnold Schwarzenegger because birthday so you know what screw touchdowns knows please. That's fine. It's fine. But Schwarzenegger didn't have a frigging knows like that say. Man, rich, we've been going for more than an hour, which this was no surprise that. Once once we actually did get the recording going. I knew it would feel like it like nothing so we should probably role. But thank you so much for being on with us again. This is a blast I honestly I feel like we covered a ton of ground because it's like basically, the history of cheer side, CAD Cam in United States coming from the horse's mouth himself. I just called you pony pony Shetland Shetland pony really. I am quite a thoroughbred, but exactly exactly party. Ponies. We're gonna part two. All right. Rich will we will catch you again, for sure? And I think I think we're gonna make sure rich comes to voice denser this year too. I definitely coming this year last year. I got stuck with that other thing I had to do, but I am you know, I mean I cannot wait. We're actually going to we're going to like Jason on your show up on his door three days, earlier time while he will not be able to get out of going to drive Zona with him tied in the trunk. I think it's all these are too much fun. Like I said, I too many great buds that are either doing the podcast or listening to them in your event, is something that I feel when not even having been there. But just hearing the feedback from guys like Brent in Frank and people that I love if Brent and Frank come multiple times on their own volition. You know, it's got to be pretty good Jackson brings back the old school of when we were all doing townie. There's to me, honestly, nothing rivals that early time of when it was just so pure, and I think what you're bringing back in voices dentistry brings back something. So pure to what we enjoy doing, which is an end. So I can't wait to get their next year. Cannot wait. It's awesome. Are I rich thanks for being on any questions? Or comments hit us up info dot com or going the dental x nation. Rich the poor bastard is on the nation on occasion. So you could ask them questions there or emails and manned, thanks for being on again. Ritual Zun sounds good later, boys and girls. Thanks. Welcome back. I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did as men. I talk to rich a lot. I mean, I get to talk to rich a lot, I feel lucky because we keep in pretty close contact. But what a great guy, what a good story. So one of the things he talked about that. I think it's important for people to listen to is one of the ways he got to doing what he does which is to say he teaches people how to use this, Eric, he does a lot of continuing education. He's keeping leader for a lot of people. One of the reasons he got to do that is because he decided they needed a study club in Chicago. And so he started one and literally, he was a lecturer for a lot of it because they didn't have much of budget. And he was learning all the stuff. I mean what a great story I love that. But they've actually kinda volved the study club into not just Sirak stuff. And so now he talks about it in, in the interview, they call it the Chicago study club in the website is shy study club. See, h I studied club dot com, and he's got some really compelling. Speakers come in, in a really cool space in Chicago. Bunch of great people taking good courses you need to check that out. So again, it's, it's Chr study club dot com. Go check out his roster. They actually sell a season pass, which is a really it's a big value for continuing education and who doesn't like go to Chicago. You know, Chicago in the summer is awesome. He's got some really good courses coming up to go. Check that out. Riches. Pretty dynamic guy dentistry in, we're pretty glad that he's we've been so close with them for so long, so give any questions or comments for rich leave us, an Email, invo dental dot com or feel free to join the dental hacks nation, which is our gigantic club for listeners as well as other miscreants on the internet. You need to go to Facebook and just ask for an invite to the dental hacks nation answer the questions because here's how it works. We get hundreds of people requesting to get in every week in about eighty plus percent of those people don't answer the questions and we just discard. We just we just toss them out if they don't answer the questions, we need to prove to us, that you're at least a little bit dental. I mean, we're not like looking up license numbers or anything but got proved to us that you're a little bit dental but riches there, too. So you could ask him questions directly. And again, check out the Chicago study club. You either Google, the Chicago study club or its CA. Study club dot com. And again, thanks rich for being on the show. Now is the time on the show in my voice goes funny in Icee, go hack yourself. Jason were here. He would say, I never he's not. So he's not going to actually I'm going to go ahead and take the narrators perogatives. And I'm going to do to go hack yourself items tonight because so something's kind of funny, I am constantly looking at trying to streamline I do the editing and I do the recording and stuff for the show. And so I've had a lot of technical, I can't see their technical challenges. But I like the technical aspect of it in what I have found is. I'm the dentist who I'm kind of inefficient. There's a lot of people that would hate how inefficient I am at dentistry, in my office, like I like to give lots of time for aniseed you to sit. I like to talk with patients, why don't have? I don't have a bunch of opera toys running at once and what I what happens is sometime. Gms. I find myself a little more time on my hands between patients or or whatever than I expected, and it's so easy to just drink coffee, and surf the internet and fart around that sort of thing. But I kinda always have podcast production stuff that could be done in my mind for longest time that was a job that I did at home. It was not something that I, I did at work. I did that at home. I mean, I would do it at work, sometimes, but and I'm looking at it, and I'm going, there's a lot of time that I mean, there are times when I'll be driving home from work knowing that I've gotta do much editing and I've got a deadline and actually, I'm that guy who works better on deadline. I'm horrible. I leave stuff to the last second as me, but I thought to myself, I've got when I have downtime, I ought to be able to just throw this up and work on editing, because you don't have to edit in giant hunks time, you can edit a little bit at a time at someday. If anyone's ever interested in how I produce the show Email me at info dental hacks dot. Commerce, as something on the annex nation. I would never presume to show how I do this, because I would worry that you'd actually die of boredom. But if there's anyone who's actually interested in knowing how I do it, I might try and like, put together you to video or something just showing you what I do, but I'm not going to do this ask for because honestly, it's awfully presumptuous to claim it it's kind of boring. I like it but it's kind of boring just going to say that right now. It's for people who aren't into the technical aspects of it. It's a little bit more anyhow. It Jason I have really, we've kind of refined the way that we record over the years. And we've changed a lot of things over the years. We used to use just a two track deal with Skype and then we had multiple Skype computer got a new a new piece of software called squad cast at some point, I might use that as one of my go hang yourself items, but anyhow. I live kind of put together, I'm sort of building a more ideal studio space in my private office at the office. So between patients and stuff I will be able to work on editing stuff. And what's cool about that might my goal is that one driving home after work there? Isn't that dread of all the editing stuff like that? So that's so with that in mind. I, I got a, a new monitor in this monitor is absolutely sick. It is unfit. Believable it is called. It's an LG monitor. It's got a really silly doesn't have a fancy name. All it's got a. L LG four nine. Wwl nine five C dash w forty nine inch curve thirty two to nine ultra-wide monitor. So I don't know quite how to describe it other than the fact that it's, it's like it's like three monitors wide in one monitor tall of decent size, monitor super bright, and it's seamless. It's all one monitor. So it's like ridiculous extra wide monitor and you can essentially put three browser windows side by side easily with no seams in. What's really cool about it is, when I'm doing my editing stuff in audition, so first time ever being do I can actually have the recording tracks and the mixer all in the same frame at once and I can see everything once it's very cool. It's not something that you need. It's something that I wanted it's not something that you need. I love it, though. I'm very excited about it. So that is a, a forty nine inch curved thirty two nine very high definition monitor. And the second thing I am a I love trying, new wireless mouses, I just love him, and I have to say, I'm sucker for Logitech than brand Logitech really good stuff in, they have a new mouse. They call it the Logitech M X vertical organic mouse. Now, I have had multiple IMAX gaming mice because they're very fast and smooth during like that. I don't even know how I happened to see this Ergen. Amac mouse in in. It's goofy look goofy is looking thing you ever saw. It's like it's like regular mouse, except it's curved kind of, I don't know if there's a right handed and left handed there probably is because it's very, very much like a left handed person wouldn't like my mouth because it's right handed. But. It's vertical so your, your hands. It's almost like they describe it as hint shake grip in in. So earnestly apparently way less restraint and stuff like that. But whatever the electronics are in. It's very smooth, and it has really great movement like one hundred bucks stupid expensive, and I'm clearly, the guy who spends more money on this kind of lecture on junk, I probably should, but I'm enjoying the hell out of it in literally setting up this studio in my office. And this is just one more thing that I really liked this ergonomic mouse. So both of those will be in the show notes check him out. I'll see if I can get them photos them, too. But good. Good fun in keeps me, keeps me, hop in when I'm doing the technical side of the podcast. So are you guys. I'm going to leave you with that. Really? Appreciate you. Guys listening. You know, five years worth of this is gone pretty quickly. I won't you. I'm very pleased that we continue to have people listening. We have lots of cool stuff coming up. Voice. It industry is gonna be January. Twenty fourth twenty fifth in Scottsdale. Arizona. Mark your calendars were still putting some of the details together. I'm hoping to have that information out to you, in July, so you can buy tickets and get in early and all that stuff. It's going to be bigger and better than ever before. Got a bunch of great interviews. Coming up, we may even have some new podcast coming out, really cool. We're enjoying ourselves like crazy. And we sure appreciate you listening. That's most important. So I'll tell you what. If you if you like what you're hearing in if it's if it's helped you at all. It's if you've had any benefit, I would love it. If you go over to your podcast software, whether that's the podcast app on your on your iphone or pocket cast on Android, Google podcast or whatever leaves review leave us. I if you can't if I've starve us awesome. But also we love to hear what you think we don't get a lot of us anymore because we've we've been doing this for while and it's not something we worry so much about. But I'd love to see any reviews you got for us. And hopefully next time you'll hear both Jason I BA. Because we just have this crazy vacation coming up, we haven't been able to get together, we will don't worry about that. And thanks for listening. We will catch the next.
Will Newfoundland turn on Trudeau this time?
"If Canada's government is going to change hands on October twenty first we will get the first sign of it on election night in Newfoundland Finland and Labrador yes part of that is because the polls out east close earlier than anywhere else in the country but it's not the only reason this province as as a whole is often pretty red and stop me if you've heard this before in two thousand fifteen it was completely red trudeau and the liberals currently own all seven seats and as much as Newfoundlanders may be disappointed by some of the things that liberals have ever more accurately haven't done in their province. A repeat of the last selection is not out of the question. So what can the other party say to flip a few of those seats and send a sign things are changing what have liberals failed to deliver deliver that their opponents can capitalize on what do newfoundlanders need they aren't getting and which riding in this province is the most likely to be a harbinger Brynjar of what's to come on election night Jordan Keith Rawlings and this is the big story. David Vidmar is the legislative reporter for the Saint John's telegram in Newfoundland where we head for our latest in our lay of the land series the Saint John's telegram is part of the Salt Wire Fire Network Hi David. How's it going. It is going very well. Thank you for joining us from the East Coast. How is the grand experiment of democracy going out there. Well things are I mean changes changes. The norm. I think is a is a quite frequently in Newfoundland Labrador typically. We just came out of a provincial election which is back on back on. May Sixteenth where there was this massive liberal majority where they had thirty one seats in the provincial legislature and that has cut down to twenty which gives them a one seat edge over the you know over the opposition parties and whatnot so that was a that was a big moment obviously for us out here to see that amount of seats being cut down in Atlantic Canada. Generally I mean there's been there's been I it's only Nova Oh Scotia that hasn't gone to gone to the polls fairly recently they went back in two thousand sixteen you know but but we're seeing the Greens obviously making some eat some interesting in roads and whatnot in an and in an MP and New Brunswick they didn't quite formed government but my God did they come close so you know being close to the water being close to you know relying so much a natural resources. I think is is starting to rear. Its head just a little bit here on the East Coast. What are the chances that you're provincial election earlier. This year is a microcosm of what will happen to the federal liberals in Newfoundland and Labrador which were a complete sweep last time yeah and that's always the question you know. How much can we really read it into provincial politics to federal politics. you know it's it's. It's it's not a one to one ratio. There's we'll see how that plays out but I I wrote a story. Worry about this. about you know we can have of course online that talking to pollster. Don Mills Search Area Whatnot and the way that he phrased in terms of whether or not the liberals can sweep across Atlantic on to Canada with all thirty two seats He said that there's zero percent chance that happened on October hangover twenty so couldn't really be more more definitive than that a you know there and in Newfoundland Labrador everyone is kind of pointing at Saint John's east as as really Kinda main battleground. Perhaps even the only battleground. I think the Liberals will still see some success here in Oakland lambreau because we I have never in our history sent sent no liberals. There's has always been at least one liberal. That's insane from Labrador to up to Ottawa but we've sent all seven easier as liberals at twice in our history so there might I don't to be one opportunity Lucy. you know an interesting thing about about. Saint John's is that it's a direct rematch from two thousand sixteen election Harris Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's it's a one to one Nick Whale on it is the incumbent and in two thousand fifteen he beat Jack Harris who was a he was first elected in nineteen eighty seven that he lost real quick in the in the election after that and then he was years for the as the DP leader in the province and became the d. n. p. once again. I believe in two thousand eight hundred I elected and and now they're just having another crack at it. You know in John's east. I remember Canada conventional wisdom at the time which I guess didn't turn out to be completely wise was saying that Saint John's was was the most safe seat in the country for the new Democrats on the federal scale and then you so yeah yeah there was another really tight race so at the time in two thousand fifteen Ryan cleary was was was the incumbent for the MVP going up against the shameless regan whose name we all know much more on the federal a federal thing these days so any kind of went all in on Ryan cleary and maybe kind of forgot about it was just a little bit but this around it does not look like they are forgetting about checkers. You know Jagmeet facing was here before the election was even called so they really seem to be kind of investing there so you know in this province if any district is going to not be liberal liberal by the time October twenty first. It's probably John's east but you know nick. Whale is not going to go down without a fight no question about that so what makes Newfoundland and Labrador because we're doing this with all of the provinces what makes Newfoundland Labrador different from the other Atlantic provinces first of all but from from voters and the rest of the country to the biggest thing for us is that most of the people who live in Newfoundland Labrador live on the island of Newfoundland and most of us who live in Newfoundland live on kind of the northeast avalon which which is you know I'm I'm speaking to you from Saint John's right now which is really about as like it. If you're going to look at what the geography tells you it's as though everyone in on the island roofing like gathered as far away from mainland Canada as humanly possible which is essential for something but yeah which you know we'll we'll get back to that one but the fact that we are such big island really doesn't make us unique. I guess be is obviously an island is in the it's in the name but we you know we really are massive expensive land with a with a with a relatively small population by five hundred twenty five thousand people according in the two thousand sixteen sentences counter counted here and one particular thing that makes us unique across the country is that that population is going down the demographics of Newfoundland Labrador. We are getting older faster than anybody else. I believe that the the average population or the average age of newfoundlander right now is like forty six years old and by twenty forty. That's GonNa that's GONNA go up to above above fifty yeah. It's you know so we're getting older and the fertility rate is is is downward. We're dying faster than we are being born for one thing and then on top of that to oil downturn turn in say twenty two thousand fourteen twenty fifty and really really hit this province hard we in the last provincial budgets and twenty eighteen. We made a billion dollars off oil and gas. Ask and you know that's that's all guests are inter. Inter the royalties one for the government you know and that's on a pretty average price of oil. You Know Beckon Twenty before early two thousand twelve twenty fourteen or something like that. was you know we're looking at over one hundred dollars for a barrel also so my God we had money and now we don't so we have people people who are literally dying and not being replaced and people are leaving so the demographic challenges for Newfoundland Labrador really what's it's top of mind. I think that at this point. How does that impact what voters want from their government. What are they looking for right. Now that other younger younger more prosperous provinces might not well. This is a maybe a little bit of Jason here but but but but the main thing that we're looking for I think right now is is support from the federal government when it comes to Muskrat falls because that's the other thing that makes particularly unique in the country you know we talk about large hydroelectric dams you. I heard a sightsee and whatnot but but Muskrat falls was started by the provincial government or sanctioned in two thousand ten and at the time that the the sanction to the to the population or the the number that was put out there for the cost was six point two billion dollars. Not You know not a small chunk of change at the time for a prophet to five hundred thousand people now. It's twelve point seven billion dollars and there's a real risk that electricity bills in this province are going to double as a result of this and you you know the provincial government people were trying to work in trying to figure out how to how to prevent that from happening and one of the direct ask that. I think it was a little while ago. The finance minister just made a direct call just before the election actually the finance minister. Tom Osborne made a direct call to all party. Leaders saying we need money. We need about two hundred million dollars a year from the federal government a direct federal subsidy to Newfoundland Labrador's power bills in addition to about another half billion dollars annually that the that the province is going to have to come up with on its own court to try to to try to keep electricity rates down but but you know we need a commitment of two hundred million dollars from the federal government and so far none another federal leaders have kind of explicitly committed to that outside of saying you know we commit to working with Newfoundland Labrador on this particular issue so that I think think is kind of the biggest barrel on that. We're staring down so to speak right now that we need the federal government to help out on what about the things that the liberals promised would would help Newfoundland and Labrador back in two thousand fifteen you mentioned that may be only one of the seven seats there is really endanger of flipping to Newfoundlanders feel that that they've delivered in any sense on on what you were hoping for well they have and they haven't the funny thing about covering federal elections in duplan. Labrador is that you know we're sure we've only been in Canada for seventy years more so you know we we only have seven seats. We only have half million people so you know oh comfortable election time. We don't tend to hear a lot of really kind of detailed promises that are specific to Newfoundland and Labrador here one of the things that the liberals did come through on was there was a search and rescue center here in St John's that was closed down under the Harper government and shortly after the liberals gained end they went ahead and reopened opened that one so you know with the province as large an enormous has nine laboratories and Lord knows how cold North Atlantic is out there that was a search and rescue is a big deal here because we still have a lot of people on the water that was a commitment that they did follow through on and went there but one thing that they did not follow through on. That's playing out at this moment. Moment is is hesitant with municipal wastewater. There's a river head wastewater facility. I won't get to down in the weeds on this one but basically just you know in two thousand twelve there were some rules are brought in to say that you need to bring wastewater standards up to a certain amount and that means. There's going to be upgrade so just joking down here in two thousand fifteen and said hey look at that thing. We're going to give you two hundred billion dollars. That number just keeps popping up with something about two hundred million dollars really really popular but he committed that money that I was gonna come here and and when he was here about two weeks ago he committed that money again because it's not done and it's not just John but here's this concerns with the municipal wastewater one of there's places all across the province so we're facing the same same issue of raw sewage just being dumped into lakes. It happens here here in in in a number of municipalities because the municipalities don't have the the money themselves to do these expensive upgrades and the federal government hasn't put in hasn't put in their share at this point quite frankly so so you know in terms of what promises haven't have happened to and we're still going to wait and see what happens with with yet another province on wastewater that we got from trudeau ago so it's there's a there's a lot of reasons that I think that the federal elections take a little bit of a backseat here a Newfoundland Labrador because we're it quite frankly not as engaged in its by the you know by the way the parties who are running their largely due to how how far away we we are how small we are so we don't really get a lot of attention is what it comes down to well that was going to be my next question. Anyway is a lot of this election so far has been defined by scandal candle. I buy a SNC level and obviously men by the Liberals Bernird some opposition research about multiple conservative candidates and then of course course Trudeau's Brown face and black face scandal and from where we sit in Toronto it can feel that that dominates so I'm always interested in in more remote I would provinces that have more specific needs if that's a deciding issue for people or are we kind of an immediate bubble. I mean I think it matters to people you know. We're we're. We're seeing some of the national polls one at that. Don't seem to so much of a tick here and there for Trudeau. He's seen a dip. It was on the national scale. It's been written about and talked about plenty here in Newfoundland and Labrador but but the thing about Newfoundland Labrador and Atlantic Canada in general is that we we are really really white like I think it's ninety. The most diverse province I take from the twenty. Eleven cents is so we recognize. This isn't the most up to date number but according to the to the twenty eleven cents is the most diverse province in Atlantic Canada was Nova Scotia at at ninety. One percent white white or Caucasian candidate is is is you know we're we're primarily there there so a lot of people that I spoke to locally are suggesting that Oh asking why is this a big deal there and it's it's because we don't have a lot of people living in this part of the world that have you know an experience with black face racism of an understanding why that is such a such a problem you know and as such a racist action there so in that particular scandal in terms of in terms of how it matters you know. It's definitely going to take you know take votes while I mean I don't know and how can you really say anything definitively but but but I mean I can't imagine that it's not going to move the needle. But how much is it going to move the needle you know for people who maybe aren't super duper engaged in federal politics to begin with who don't have a symbol oh of lived experience to the people who who might have been directly affected and offended by this and then to some of the people who I've spoken to from you know from from progressive organizations and whatnot here in the province. They're saying forget about that. Let's talk about you know about a transportation institution into infrastructure. You know about about jobs. Those are the things that are going to matter to round newcomers one out of here so obviously it's complicated. Obviously there's a whole lot to it but it is jack error is going to win. Saint John's because Justin Trudeau mates really really really really really bad decisions back in the day probably probably not but you know but but jobs elsewhere well what could have him winning Saint John's east. If there was I mean you've mentioned money for for wastewater but if there were other issues that conservatives offenders share is coming to newfoundland before the election and he's promising missing things that would actually move the needle for Newfoundlanders. What's he saying. It should be something about Muskrat falls. You know once again about about federal support worked there. You know it. It's it's a provincial lead project but it was but there was a two point nine billion dollars in loan guarantees that were guaranteed by the federal government so the federal government has their finger in that you know has has a role to play their you know if if he were to come down and say do not worry about your electricity rates we got us and that's not even specific the sheer. That's that's. That's where everybody any party leader. If they're gonNA save you know don't worry we will bail you out. Hey money helps. Always you know yeah yeah. Sometimes you gotta see the Federal Government opened up the box dreams or over the strings. I need to say and we haven't seen it. You know we I ask them directly. Ah You know about it so that's the big issue because as it stands right now if people's electricity rates do double than people are literally in Newfoundland and Labrador Obrador in Canada in two thousand nineteen you're going to have people who are going to be choosing between heat and food you mentioned off the top one talking about Atlanta candidate in general that you you know the green parties made huge inroads in Pi and Atlantic Canada in general and I just wonder are they a presence in Newfoundland and I know the MVP has previously been a presence in Newfoundland Finland but all around the rest of the country were increasingly talking about a two party race and is there any chance of a third party playing spoiler in Newfoundland will the Green Party the funny thing about the Green Party not here I believe they do have a seven candidates or if not they have you know five or six. I'm not sure off the top of my head here but the Green Party is kind of nonstarter in Newfoundland Labrador in terms of their interests of their popularity because they have they haven't expressed anti-seizure hunt stance in their products out that they oppose the seal hunt and obviously the seal hunters is he's controversial here and there but in this province we supported in this province province is it's hunters or going out on the ice and taking what's there naturally you know and maybe with well primarily with guns the image that you see see their on screen white coats that are super super cute and cuddly those ones aren't the targets of the seal hunt and has been a lot of frustration over the people. You know who who are or are not recognizing you know at so anyway hill a little bit of a tangent there but but context. I didn't know that yeah that is the the that is the the number one roadblock for the Green Party and and I did actually talk with me about this. you know and and the basic stance is that well here's the funny thing about about kind of the Green Party policy there it seems as though the Green Party policy to say that the leader will not dictate and what issues the integrion. MP's would end up on and we saw the kind of Biton bite them in the rear. You know when it comes to comes to talk about separatism and when it comes oh you know maybe even reopening it would abortion debate. You Know Elizabeth May's kind of kind of stance there was was they can do what they want. You know I'm not gonNA stop them from opening up these this conversations and and and that policy which you know burn them here and there in the media there is also their defense mechanism against a about their dicillo hunt pitch because Elizabeth would just say while you know a a newfoundland and Labrador Greenpeace would have every single right to support the Green Party. Maybe even if the Federal Green Party opposes the seal hunt and wants to shut down so you know they have a they have a well known candidates in Avalon. His name is Greg Malone from Costco and wonderful grand band Jane and he's. He's run a couple times. You Run for city council he's. He's never had success on on the on the political scale. Oh and fun fact. We talked about black face. He also wore black face as part of what part of a sketch that he did. I think it was I think it was twenty eight days when when when it hits media here with all respect to the Greens and you know and and I know that the Green Party supporters you know here in the province but in terms of them playing spoiler in Saint John's. These are really any other part of the province. I'M NOT GONNA hold my breath personally so if Canadians are watching the early returns because you guys are I on election night. They should just be looking at saint. John's east to get a a sense of whether or not true is in for a good night or a bad one. Yeah you know that's where it will literally start because I think that would depending on how quickly the count that might Steve I decided writings is Saint John's but but yeah nick whale and holes on there. That's a good indication that that they're gonNA do okay here. you know if if these does change hands. I wouldn't necessarily read that as kind of overall condemnation of you know of how they're gonNA do but if a second writing in this province where to switch switch to the role that would earn your way from liberal to say that would be pretty jaw dropping that hotel a lot if I if they manage lose more than one sees a here in Newfoundland Labrador that's wouldn't I think that they're going to be shaking in their boots up in Ottawa. Thanks for this David. Thank you so much for having me David Marr legislative reporter at the Saint John's telegram and that was the big story another episode our our lay of the land series if you'd like you can head to our website the big story podcast dot. CA and right up there in the header Mary section where you can get all of these special episodes Komo before the elections. You know what happens if you'd like to talk to us about what's going to happen where or tell us who we should interview for these things up at the big story. 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