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NPR News: 09-10-2019 12AM ET

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NPR News: 09-10-2019 12AM ET

"This message comes from NPR sponsor xfinity. Some things are slow like a snail races. Other things are fast like Xfinity X. by get get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make WIFI simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Nora Raum in North Carolina. Democrat are locked in a tight race for a congressional seat best been vacant since state election. Officials declared the two thousand eighteen race was tainted by ballot tampering voters go to the polls in a special election Tuesday from member station W. UNC Rusty Jacobs reports Democrat Dan McCready came up just short in the twenty eighteen contests. The new races considered tossup between him and republican state senator. Dan Bishop McCreevy Marine Iraq war veteran spent this final day campaigning in downtown Fayetteville. Please spread the word okay. It's a very close back. Thank you McCreevy's. Republican opponent is getting a boost from the White House with the president holding holding a rally for Dan Bishop in Fayetteville far less well funded candidates from the Libertarian and green parties are also on the ballot for NPR news. I'm Rusty Jacobs Chapel Chapel Hill North Carolina the National Weather Association. A gathering of meteorologist is holding its annual meeting in Huntsville Alabama. A major topic is Hurricane Dorian oriented and that president trump insisted that Alabama was endanger. The Birmingham Weather Office immediately corrected that assertion then last week the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said the Birmingham Office shouldn't have done that Paul Schlatter as president of the National Weather Association. He says Noah was wrong. Felt like it was coming against operational meteorology what we do to make the forecast we message what those impacts are going to be to the best of our abilities in a way that decision makers can make decisions and it felt like that was was being questioned when the office in Birmingham was just trying to <hes> relay that there wasn't any real threat to the the citizens of Alabama Schlatter says the meteorologist make forecasts they don't deal with politics coastguard workers rescued four crew members from capsize cargo ship off Georgia Monday all four were described as alert and in relatively good condition the ship had rolled onto its side and caught fire Sunday morning. Twenty crew members were rescued. South Korea says North Korea has fired more projectiles into waters office East Coast Jason Structure Reports South Korea's Joint Chiefs of staff say the North's military fired two unidentified projectiles as part of another apparent weapons test so-called an emergency meeting following the early morning launch there have been several rounds of such test-firing since President Trump met North Korean ruler Kim Jong Hoon inside the militarized zone in June Tuesday's launches come come just after Pyongyang said through its official news agency that it's open for renewed denuclearization talks with the US later this month but vice foreign minister chase on he said in the statement that Washington must come up with a more acceptable proposal for NPR news. I'm Jason Structure and soul this is NPR on the last leg of his three country. African tour Pope Francis urged government authorities on the island of Mauritius offshore tax haven in the Indian Ocean and to do more for the economic well-being of citizens NPR's Sylvia Jolie reports the pope also had words of praise for the multicultural nations respect for religious and ethnic diversity addressing severe youth unemployment and the income gap Pope Francis Urge Maurice's leaders not to be tempted by what he called an dollars economic model feels the need to sacrifice human lives on the altar of speculation and Prophet alone to the detriment of the poor the environment and its resources his Meritas is president and prime minister. Thank Francis for referring to a group of islands contest between Mauritius and Britain as CHATO's instead of British Indian Ocean territory they include the island of Diego Garcia which Britain leases to the United States and hope to a major military base the UN General Assembly demanded in May that Britain give up control troll of the <unk> goes in a vote that was a diplomatic blow for both Britain and the US Sylvia Poggioli NPR News Port Louis Mauritius federal authorities authorities are trying to determine if a crime was committed in last week's fire aboard a scuba diving boat off southern California thirty four people died investigators have collected electronics employee records and business documents during searches of the company's Office and two other boats owns. The fire broke out early Monday trapping thirty three passengers and one crew member for the crew members and the captain survived. I'm Nora Raum N._P._R. News in Washington.

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Politics with Amy Walter: North Carolina, Up For Grabs

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36:36 min | 7 months ago

Politics with Amy Walter: North Carolina, Up For Grabs

"This is politics with Amy Walter from takeaway. Now earlier this year. We're planning our election coverage. We'd hope to take you all on a tour through some of the states that would be the most critical in deciding this election. You're going to jump in our cars cross. These regions meet with voters and candidates. Soak up the flavor in the food and the mood of these battleground regents. But Alas? We have to settle for virtual trip. You don't have to buckle up, but here we go. This week just a nation is the tar heel state North Carolina with its fifteen electoral votes. It's one of a handful of states truly up for grabs this election. Since two thousand eight, no presidential candidate has carried the state by more than three points. The most recent polls show Joe Biden ahead of president trump by about two points we'll, north. Carolina is very diverse geographically and politically. There are many conservative pockets in North Carolina, but there are many progressive pockets in North Carolina also. Jarvis Hall. He's an associate professor of political science at North Carolina Central University when you look at the counties into East. They have a tendency to be more conservative counties into western part, the state with the exception of Ashville and to some extent what Taga County have a tendency to be more conservative also, but in the central part of the state what? A Lotta people referred to the I eighty five corridor have a tendency to be more progressive, more liberal more moderate if you will and they. Would include the triangle area of North Carolina. The try. Eight area of North Carolina in Charlotte there's only been one Democrat running for president that's been able to build a winning coalition North Carolina over the last ten elections that was Barack Obama in two thousand and eight Obama and the campaign he had on the ground were very important to the success that he experienced here in north. Carolina a good bit of that success was grounded in the fact that they were able to increase the number of eighteen to twenty five year as a as a proportion of the electorate and what we saw. Saw was a lot of excitement, a lot of organizing a lot of grassroots activity, especially on college campuses, and Obama came to state several times for example he came to the campus that I work on North Carolina. Central University actually before he was the nominee, and that generated a lot of interest, a lot of excitement, and and it was very important, especially for young people color as well as white you to have a Bible candidate, a candidate who is young who was different who appeared to have good ideas who's able to mobilize them? Mobilizing young voters isn't something that's come easy for Democrats presumptive nominee Joe Biden. In fact, it's one of the bigger criticisms of him as a candidate. But primary voters didn't ride on a wave of enthusiasm when they picked Biden picked him because he's viewed as the person best suited to beat Donald Trump now further evidence that this elections referendum on Donald. Trump is apparent in North Carolina's Senate race where Republican Senator Thom Tillis is being challenged. By Democrat cal Cunningham and according to Rusty Jacobs political reporter for North Carolina Public Radio W. UNC. The trump factor is the biggest challenge tillis one of the surprising things. In the aftermath of the quarterly campaign fundraising reports is that. Cal. Cunningham took in much more than Thom Tillis now the campaigns I think when it comes to cash on hand or fairly close, but the recent. Receipts for CAL Cunningham indicate a lot more enthusiasm, a lot more momentum and Thom Tillis for better for worse has tied himself to President, trump going back going back to win. He reversed his position on funding for the border wall. That president trump supports, and he is tied himself to the fate of the president, and right now because of public concerns over. The coronavirus health restrictions and the debate over whether. Restrictions are necessary. He may have tied himself to a position that public opinion for now. Seems to oppose so what's bad news for Senator Thom Tillis? Good News for CAL. Cunningham, Oh, absolutely I had a chance to talk with Cunningham about the race this week, and I started out by asking him why voters should choose him. Over Senator Tillis in the push and pull of Washington Politics Thom Tillis has. decided over and over again to put the special interests on Capitol Hill, his partisan interests ahead of North Carolina's interests and Look I've grown up by north. Carolina educated in North Carolina. Have built a business. Headquartered here in North Carolina have served with troops from Fort Bragg in Iraq and Afghanistan. I know my state of very very intimately and deeply I. Love the state that's made me who I am, and in the big fights and the big conversations in Washington. I'M GONNA. Make sure that our interests are hurt and are put first and We've got a real serious challenges facing our people and. My North Star is GonNa be the people of North Carolina. What has he not been able to deliver to North Carolina. If you're saying specifically that you know you, you're going to always look out for North Carolina. I'm sure if we had him on here. He would point to ways in which he's delivered for the state, but is your argument that he's too close to president trump and his looking out only for his standing with the president. I mean well well. Let's let's talk about one of the most urgent issues facing North Carolinians today. That is healthcare. He has been a consistent a vote to repeal the affordable care act which puts it risk. Over one and a half million North Carolinians coverage he was the speaker of the state out that blocked the Medicaid expansion that would include an cover bring down costs for hundreds of thousands of North Carolinians I'm on the other side of those issues, which were already present before the spring of this year, but are deeply urgent to our people, and so if we just start with the issue that is most frequently talked about in all of the virtual town hall meetings that I'm having engaging with North Carolinians. I'm four expanding coverage in bringing down costs. He has been on the other side of those debates time and time again Democrats haven't won a Senate seat. There's since two thousand eight, so. What's different now? What are you able to do that? These other Democrats were not. There are a couple of things I think going on one of them. Some some of them are very ables outside my control. This is a very unique moment in America this crisis both public health and economic crisis the. Way in which many of North Carolinians are justifiably in the streets about persistent police misconduct This is a unique moment, but I would say second to that. I'm a native of North Carolina grew up in a small town in a rural community and I understand my state very very well. No the people of North Carolina very very well and I would say as well that I'm a veteran and my family is a military family in a state where that is a critical part of our DNA I. Served, with the paratroopers, at Fort Bragg I have both served overseas with the Special Operations troops from Fort Bragg, and and even taught green berets in a classroom at Fort. Bragg and so my family has lived the an experience that is a very integral part of the DNA of our state, and that is. We're premier state that answers the call to serve by putting on a uniform, and I can have conversations with north. North Carolinians that arise from that life experience and I think that makes me uniquely suited to serve North. Carolina, but it also helps build a bridge to some North Carolinians. Either who haven't recently participated in politics, but also I can go places and have conversations that often. Democrats don't have speaking of Fort Bragg. There's a obviously as you know been a lot of attention to basis like for Brag that were named after confederate generals and. There's recently in amendment that passed in the Senate Committee That would give the Pentagon the ability to change the names of these installations. In about three years time. Is that something that you could support? Well I have called for US moving forward to rename Fort Bragg. This is a premier military installation. We call it the center of the military. Universe and it's not an exaggeration to say that. If the president not just if but win, any president has to dial nine one one. The phone rings at Fort Bragg, and so how this installation got for a slave owning trader to the United States who had bad personal. and was a failed. General is a mystery to most of us here in north. Carolina and there are walls of valorous service members on the walls in these headquarters where I've served any number of whom would be suitable names for this installation, and we have a process in in the army, we routinely name and rename installations and properties I think it's a good conversation for us to have at Fort Bragg. In the communities around Spring Lake unfavorable and I think it should lead us to name it after someone else as you pointed out earlier, you said you could go into a lot of these small towns and rural communities. Your background and military really gives you that that cachet that maybe other Democrats haven't had before. It also seems to me that you're suggesting that you do have while you are running as a Democrat, you are trying to distinguish yourself maybe from national. Democrats and I'm wondering if there are. Either issues or proposals that are out there that the National Party maybe even presidential candidate Joe Biden are putting forward that you disagree with fair question Amy Blunt. First of all. A seek not to represent a party in Washington. I seek to represent the people who call North Carolina home, and so part of what I'm doing here is less about being a Democrat and much more about being in tune with and in touch with the voices in North Carolina they're going to be times when I disagree with my own party and very explicit about that, there is a world. Where Donald Trump is in a second term, and as the senator for North Carolina I've got to figure out ways that we can work together when it suits and drives on North Carolina's interest now either. Joe Biden or Donald Trump I would expect to hold accountable if they are pursuing things inconsistent with North Carolina's interests and the voices I'm hearing from here, so they're going to be times when I disagree with my own party and I sort of got a strong scotch-irish independent streak is well part about growing up in a small rural community. It's a part about my own temperament but there will be days when. I'm certain that I will disagree with the leadership of the democratic. Party speaking of sort of you know the pressure is. You may get from your own party. We are a long way away from this. I recognize your focus right now is just on the election, but should you win and should Democrats be in the majority in two thousand twenty one? There is going to be a tremendous amount of pressure coming from progressive groups and many Democrats to change the rules about the filibuster, basically eliminating it altogether, so that fifty one votes is enough to pass any legislation. Would you support doing that doing away with the filibuster? Rather than do with the Filibuster, amy, what I have been calling for here is a reform in the way that rule is used and. And what it would require is if the minority party genuinely wants to shine a light and hold up progress on the bill on a bill on the floor of the US Senate. The Minority Party needs to actually take to the floor and have the debate, and that means cancelling the weekends rolling in the COTS, leaving the lights on at night, so that the American people can understand why the minority party feels that there is something that the majority party is doing either to run over the rights of Americans or trying to. Do something that is abusive. I think that's consistent with the underlying principle behind the Filibuster, and that is in the great deliberative body. That is the United States Senate. We should be hearing the debate and rather than requiring sixty votes to cut off the debate. Procedural trick that really has been used to thwart progress on measure after measure. Let's move forward with the legislation, but here and and give ample time for there to be hearing on what the minority parties umbrage with the the legislation is frankly in Mr Smith goes to Washington style. The American people will then get to weigh in, and that will only make legislating more legitimate. It will make the voice of. Of the American, people register more fully in what's happening in the US, Senate and I think it's more true to what the measure was originally intended to be, and that is to drive public debate on the issues of the day Cal Cunningham is the Democrat challenging Republican Senator Thom Tillis in North Carolina. We reached out to the campaign for an interview, but did not receive a response as of our recording. Like other states election officials in North Carolina are preparing for a spike in absentee ballots, due to public health concerns over the corona virus lawmakers in the state, came together recently in a rare show of bipartisanship and pass the legislation they hope will make the voting process safe, accessible and fair. So! What are some of these changes? I asked Rusty Jacobs political reporter at W. UNC from at the top of the show to walk us through these changes. Recent legislation allows for fewer witnesses. It used to be that you need to witnesses to submit a valid absentee by mail ballot. Now it's just one, and that's just a recognition that a lot of people are homebound and living with just one person, if that many to witness there signing and submission of an absentee ballot, they are allowing for applying for absentee by mail ballots by fax and email, in addition to on a mission to mail or going to your local county board of elections to request. Request one, so that's a big deal. They will they WANNA. Make it as easy as possible North Carolina has been sort of the center of arguments and challenges over voting laws. There is a back and forth for some time about voter ID laws in the state. Then of course we had the controversy in twenty eighteen with a ballot harvesting scheme by a Republican consultant. How confident should North Carolinians be that? The process that set up in the state for voting is going to be fair and that it is well regulated. The efforts and the fact that there was such bipartisan support for the recent voting legislation with respect to absentee by mail voting and getting more money from the federal government to make polling places safer should indicate that there is a sincere effort on the part of state government and local elections, leaders and officials to make access paramount. That doesn't mean there aren't. Aren't advocates out there and people that still think there are forces arrayed against making access as broad as possible. You brought up voter ID, so it's important to note that there was a constitutional amendment approved by voters allowing for voter ID. Later there was an enabling legislation that said how that would happen now. A federal court has put a hold that is. Is blocked at law from taking effect. There's a preliminary injunction in place. Put in place by Federal District Court. Judge that ruled that the voter id the most recent voter ID. Law has problems that mirror problems with an earlier voter. Id Law that was discarded by Federal Court for being racially biased. One of the issues in the preliminary litigation over the most recent law is that it didn't allow for public assistance cards food benefits cards to be used as a form of voter ID at the polls. So what Republicans did with this most recent absentee by mail legislation is they stuck in a provision that would allow for public assistance cards to be used as a valid form of ID at the polls. A lot of advocates who are concerned about allowing the broadest possible group of voters to go to the polls see that as an attempt by the Republicans to circumvent the pending litigation and to get voter ID in effect, but the Democrats in the legislature knew about the provision they weighed. It's possible threats where they they wait. It's possible significance in decided in the end. That voter ID is not going. Going to happen. There's simply not enough time to get. The litigation settled not enough time to get systems in place in time for the for twenty twenty, so there aren't many people at least in the state legislature who believe voter ID will be an issue for twenty twenty. It remains pending litigation. It remains under review, and that won't be resolved before the twenty twenty elections so one other thing. That a lot of states are talking about is okay. How do we make sure that it is safe for people who would like to vote in person? And how many polling places can we safely keep open? What is the state of North Carolina doing about that? Every election sufficient I spoke to they all say the same thing they will have the number of polling sites and precincts open on election day, and for one stop early voting for seventeen days prior to election day that would be opened in any other time. That's the goal that's the belief. How is that going to happen? That's the big question. Right in Wisconsin in their April primary in places like Milwaukee Green Bay you saw hundreds or dozens of polling sites reduced to just a handful because of shortages with poll workers like in other places in North Carolina the average age of poll workers, these volunteers are typically sixty or older, the most vulnerable to the effects of the corona virus. That being said there are intense recruiting efforts underway. To convince younger people to help out at the polls. This fall the recent legislation we've been talking about allows for unemployed people to continue receiving their jobless benefits in addition to any stipends, because there are stipends, so you can get stipends for working as a poll worker, and not have a disruptor jobless benefits. You're unemployed benefits. That was an important provision in the most recent law. There was another. Another change to the elections law in this most recent legislation that allows for counties to assign precinct judges who may not be from a particular precinct. As long as you're from that county you can work in a precinct that you don't actually live in It should be noted too that this legislation provides state matching funds that gets federal money to help. Get enough personal protective equipment for porkers. To hand out masks to each and every voter that wants one individual pens and Stylus for voters to use money sanitizer to clean down each boulder booth after every use, so the elections officials saw what happened in places like Wisconsin in Georgia and made sure that law a law was passed that would help them recruit more volunteers and equip them with all the personal protective equipment and sanitizer. They need to make sure that every voter that wants to vote in person either early. or Day We'll be able to do so. Now even with all these changes one more thing, election officials are trying to get out ahead of. Here's what the Chairman of the state board of elections told Rusty Jacobs people have grown accustomed to going to bed on election night, going to either knowing the results or confident that the results will be known the next day. The big change. On the horizon is that there will be a greater number of absentee by mail ballots to count. That will likely lead to delays. Getting the results will not mean there's any less integrity. In the outcome reliability in the outcome, but elections officials want people prepared to wait a little bit longer to hear the final results. That's a new normal. We're all going to have to adjust to. On Tuesday three states held primaries and runoff elections that had been postponed due to the uncertainty of the coronavirus. In Maine Democrats picked State House, Speaker Sarah Gideon to face off against. Republican Susan Collins While in Texas MJ Hager in Iraq. War veteran was chosen to take on Republican Senator John Cornyn. These elections came at a time. When the political environment is about as terrible as be for the GOP with no signs of pandemic abating majority of Americans give president trump failing grades on his handling of the crisis. Trump is also trailing Joe Biden and almost every competitive state. And trump's toxic brand seems to be seeping down into down ballot races control of the Senate is on the line this year, and at this point Democrats look as well positioned as ever to take the majority this fall. To better understand what the race for control of the Senate looks like I sat down with Jessica Taylor. She's the Senate and governor's editor at the cook. Political report, and of course my colleague. We started with a look at Texas. You do have a state that for the past few cycles has been becoming more competitive as we see demographic changes there but John. Cornyn is also not Ted Cruz. He cornyn has some troubling numbers for an incumbent certainly, but he is sort of not doesn't engender the sort of. Visceral reaction that Ted Cruz did for many people, so I think that helped bego raise a lot of money, but also you have MJ Hagar. She was forced into a runoff. It was a very crowded primary back in March two, and she hasn't been able to catch fire yet I mean she has a really good story. She was an Air Force helicopter pilot got the purple heart was injured. She you know her ads are really interesting. She you know is has tattooed, and she run rides a motorcycle on things too, but I think she just sort of hasn't been able to sort of capture the national spotlight in. In a way that an aiming McGrath hasn't who I think is actually has a west chance of beating Mitch McConnell, although he is the Senate majority leader and I think that's where a lot of her money is coming from, because people are attracted to McConnell and want to defeat him, but on paper Texas is a better opportunity in the bottom line is she needs money? She has the nomination now. Maybe money will start flowing to her. She badly needs it too Jessica. We were talking back in two, thousand, nineteen, or even early twenty twenty. The thinking was look Democrats opportunities. They probably pick up a cedar to bought. And it's just it's too hard for them. To realistically be able to flip control of the Senate, and now I'd argue it seems like the Conventional Wisdom is oh. Democrats are GONNA. Take the majority and there's less of a chance. They're only going to pick up a cedar to. Is that fair? I think that if we look at the map right now, it is grown since the beginning of the year. Even and this map would've looked different if we had a Bernie Sanders is a nominee instead of Joe Biden. I'm not sure that Democrats could be as competitive as they are. In Flight North Carolina Georgia I. Don't think that Steve. Bullock would have looked at this race and said Hey. How many get in Montana? So I think having Biden on the ticket sort of his muted. Some of these socialist arguments that Republicans would have been much easier for Republicans to make against Democratic candidates. But we have seen, too. Is that as we see the shift on the presidential level? These states are becoming to tell toward Democrats and. You know we currently have five seats rated as tossups Arizona Colorado Montana, Maine and North Carolina and then overall Democrats need three seats in order to flip the majority. If Joe Biden wins for if they don't, but in my mind, it's actually four seats. They need because we have Alabama where Doug. Jones I think is the underdog there because he democrat one special election twenty seventeen, really hard for lightning to strike twice sort of in a presidential year, so in my mind. Democrats need four seats and that is very doable. When we have my seats and toss ups, and we historically see that these tossups break largely one way to the party. This sort of has the better. Better political climate as well and I think Arizona and Colorado especially at this point are becoming very very difficult for Republicans, and then I think the other three are just sort of a coin flip, and then you have to Georgia seats in Iowa and Kansas sort of waiting in the wings is other opportunities, and how much of this then this changing map is really due to the president's falling numbers, or is this that these senators also maybe have their own challenges and shortcomings in Arizona you have Martha mcsally who was appointed to this seat? This is late, John McCain seat She was appointed to it after she lost a race to cure. Ston cinema in twenty eighteen, so. Typically these senators have you know six years whatever repair any bitter feelings or negatives from array? She doesn't have that luxury and the fact that she wasn't elected to this in the beginning and she's running against. Even Republicans will admit is democrats best recruit. Mark Kelly has been of Gabby giffords. A former astronaut astronaut is enough alone, probably people. Raising mammoth funds. Overpowering her almost double the cash on hand that she has. And that's a race where we certainly we see the presidential level tightening in Arizona, too, and this is sort of new battleground state for Biden and trump, but I think that her sort of negatives have made her more endangered their. Colorado I think Cory Gardner sort of the victim of an environment where president trump lost the state by five I. Think Gardner is a really good incumbent former chairman of the in our SEC. He's a very good campaigner. Well liked he could run perfect campaign and still lose. If trump is just getting blown out there, there's only so much that these candidates can sort of run to outperform the president. We! Know historically that. For members of a party where the top of the ticket is really struggling as this president is doing. They try to distance themselves. That seems really hard to do in this day and age, but are you seeing Republicans trying to do that and are any of them? Doing it successfully and I'm thinking specifically. Maybe I'm wrong here, but that may be the one place you can get away with that. Maine is an also. It's notable vet in our. Toss up races in these that are most vulnerable Susan. Collins is the only one that isn't a freshman AH, she has run before she's. She's better known in the states. She has a brand that sort of these freshmen first term senators don't. Now. She's won her races very easily. She's never really had a truly competitive race in this way before she used to. You know upwards of twenty points But her that brand she has built that independent brand has taken a huge hit because she voted for Brad Kavanagh for the Supreme Court. She voted to acquit president, trump and the. For the impeachment trial and I think all of those things have sort of really angered, not just progressive activists in the state I think have made these sort of independent and. Democratic more conservative Democratic voters that she got sort of take a second look, but Susan Collins. She has run ads where she's talking about how she's helped. Lower the price of insulin or She was very instrumental in the Senate and helping shape the P P. Program. That has really helped a lot of local businesses. They're so some of her ads feature testimonials from these small businesses that were. Helped from ruined during this but Susan, Collins I think is a perfect example of just how much the Republican Party has changed I mean. She is the last New England Republican. At that is a very endangered breed, had just being a centrist in the Republican party right now is just shows how hard it is because either you side with your party, and you face the wrath of these voters that are really turned off by the president, or you disavow them, and you sort of spurn them on things, and then you get the wrath of the president who? Prizes loyalty above all else and then not hurt you with the Bass Jessica Taylor thanks so much for joining me. Thanks Amy. Coach Beyond Jessica. Taylor is the Senate and governor's editor for the Cook Political Report. One more thing I'm thinking about today. Did. You hear this this week? From the President I'm very worried about mail in voting, because I think it's subject tremendous fraud and being rigged. You have tremendous. Fraud if you do these mail in ballots now, absentee ballots are okay when I heard that from the president. Well I couldn't keep quiet I took to twitter and I wrote in all caps. There is no difference between male and voting and absentee voting. Now technically there is a difference between states that have all male elections and those that allow voters to send in a ballot through the mail five states Colorado who. Or Oregon Utah and Washington sent every registered voter in the state a ballot. Voters? Don't need to request one comes to them. And none of these states have any problems with fraud. Just the summer as a response to the coronavirus, pandemic California passed a new law that every registered voter in the state will get a ballot in the mail this fall that bill by the way past with almost unanimous support. In every other state, voters need to request an absentee ballot. Some states allow you to vote without having an excuse. Other states like Texas require you to give a reason why you can't show up to the polls on election day. And given the fact that we're in the middle of a major health crisis, it makes all the sense in the world for states to try to make it safe and easy for voters to cast a ballot. Some states like Michigan for example are sending absentee applications to every registered voter in the state. They aren't actual ballots, the first up in the process of getting a ballot, but the president isn't trying to make distinctions between the rules in different states. Instead what he's trying to do is so distrust and suspicion about the entire process. If the process is suspect well, then, Abidin win should also be viewed suspiciously. What's more? We heard from W.. UNC's Rusty Jacobs. It's more than likely that in states like North Carolina. We won't have the final tally of votes completed on election night. And there's a good chance that in the state, as well as many other competitive in closely contested states, the winner may not be officially declared a couple of days or more in a functioning democracy. There's nothing weird or nefarious about having to wait for a couple of days for ballots to be accurately counted. But if the president is raising questions about the legitimacy of the process, every step of the way, well, a lot of Americans are going to be wary of trusting the process and the outcome. That's why it is so important for the state's election officials to take to every media platform possible to educate voters about how they're conducting elections this year. What they expect in terms of ballots Senate by mail Wyatt it may take more time than folks are used to those ballots to be counted and what it means, if they don't declare a winner that night and to be as transparent as possible, this may not be enough to stop rumors and conspiracy theories altogether, but it will help blunt its full impact. That's all for us today Tanzania Vegas back with you? On Monday as always, I'll be back next week. Shout out to the fine folks that made this show. Dot Tree is our board operator and she was in every day this week at WNYC. Put The show on for you along with our director and sound designer j Cowan. Show is produced by Amber Hall and Patricia Yakub. Polly Room Goo is our digital editor David is our executive assistant Lee Hill, his our EP. You can find the show on twitter. It's at the takeaway on at Amy Walter. Lots of good stuff for you and all of those places, and of course you can call us anytime at eight seven, seven eight. 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"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer. Democrats are calling on Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and President Gordon Trump to take up legislation. They say we'll help. Stop mass shootings embarrassed Claudio Gra Solace reports Democratic leaders call for action now in it in house. Democrats are demanding manning a vote on background check legislation at a press conference standing alongside Democratic officials from El Paso Texas Dayton Ohio Senate minority leader. Chuck Schumer pressured pressured Republican leaders to people in Washington can make sure the background checks bill passes Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said gun violence prevention groups won't take no for an answer Mitch McConnell and the Republicans in the Senate and the president will have hell to pay for now. Republican leaders remain largely silent on the plan cloudy. NPR News Washington could be another wave of violence in Afghanistan amid word US President Donald Trump as apparently called off talks with Taliban and a possible US troop withdrawal agreement drums weekend announcement came shortly after some highly sensitive events including an attack in two districts one of which claimed the life of a US soldier tax came even as the Taliban was so to be finalizing a deal with the US to end nearly eighteen years of fighting there in North Carolina a Republican and Democrat or locked in a tight race where congressional oh seat. That's been vacant since state elections. Officials declared the twenty eighteen race tainted by ballot tampering voters going to pose in the special election tomorrow from member station W. UNC Rusty Jacobs has more Democrat. Dan McCready came up just short in the two thousand eighteen contest. The new race is considered a toss up between him him and republican state senator. Dan Bishop McCreevy Marina and Iraq war veteran spent this final day campaigning in downtown. Fayetteville spread the word okay. It's very very close. Thank you McCreevy's. Republican opponent is getting a boost from the White House with the president holding a rally for Dan Bishop up in Fayetteville far less well funded candidates from the Libertarian and green parties are also on the ballot for NPR news. I'm Rusty Jacobs in Chapel Hill North Carolina a survey survey released by the New York Federal Reserve. Today finds workers were a bit more pessimistic about their job situation last month. Its monthly assessment of consumer expectations than New York. Fed also found many of those surveyed. Feel inflation will continue to decline that was one reason the feds cited for cutting short-term interest rates at its last meeting indicating. The body's is not worried about sparking undue inflation by cutting rates too much workers say they're skeptical. The unemployment rate will remain at three point seven percent of fifty year low a mixed close on Wall Street today. The Dow is up thirty eight points to twenty six thousand eight thirty five the Nasdaq closed down fifteen points this is NPR federal officials are accusing vaping company jewel labs of illegally pitching its electric cigarettes as a safer alternative to smoking including during presentations in schools the food and Drug Administration and a letter to the company admonished the firm for making claims its products or quote much safer than cigarettes the FDA's when looking at the company for months Eh previously issued such a warning happier child happier adult NPR Selena Simmons Duffin reports on a new study in Jama pediatrics it finds and having positive experiences in childhood may reduce someone chance of having depression later in life lots of research shows that adverse childhood experiences like abuse or neglect it can lead to depression and other health problems later on Kristina beth-el of Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health wondered about the impact of positive experiences. She used a survey of adults in Wisconsin. Which asked questions like could you talk to your family's about feelings and did you have non adults you connected with we found that having higher counts amounts of those positive experiences was associated with seventy two percent lower odds of having depression or poor mental health? She says the findings are a reminder that even if it's not possible to fix adversity adults building positive relationships with children can have its own big impact. Selena Simmons Duffin. NPR news automaker maker Volkswagen says it's rolling out what its billing as its new breakthrough electric car for a mass audience the effort by VW part of an expected wave of new battery-powered vehicles is about to hit the European market based on major investments in technology new factories driven by tougher environmental regulation. I'm Jack Speer. NPR news this message passage comes from NPR sponsor. 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NPR News: 09-17-2019 10PM ET

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04:39 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 09-17-2019 10PM ET

"Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jack Speer Secretary of State. Mike Palm Peyot is traveling to Saudi Arabia tonight tonight. His trip comes just days. After a major oil processing center came under attack. POMPEO has blamed Iran as NPR's Michele Kelemen explains who the rebels in Yemen have claimed responsibility for the attack though Pompeo says there's no evidence to back that up he's pointing to Iran and calls. The attack unprecedented the Saudis say their initial investigations have indicated that the weapons used were Iranian. They've invited. UN and international experts to join the Investigation Secretary Harry Pompeii always making a quick trip to Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates before next week's UN General Assembly in New York president trump had been holding out the possibility awesome ability of meeting around president. They're there Iran supreme. Leader is rolling that out Michelle Kellerman NPR news the State Department North Carolina's Republican controlled controlled General Assembly fulfilled order today and pass new legislative district maps estate court ordering new maps to replace what a three judge panel deemed to be excessive excessive partisan gerrymanders that violated the state constitution member station W. UNC Rusty Jacobs reports lawmakers were given two weeks to redraw dozens ends of State House and Senate districts. They had to avoid splitting precincts and counties and were prohibited from considering past election results they could take reasonable steps adapts to protect incumbents. Senator Ralph hice Republican and Chairman of the Senate's redistricting committee. We have drawn these maps without any consideration ration- of partisan data if approved by the court the maps will be used for the twenty twenty elections only for NPR news. I'm rusty Jacobs in Raleigh. President and trump was among those tuning in today to watch former campaign aide. Corey Lewandowski answer questions in the House is first impeachment proceeding where the appearance did not produce much in the way of news the the White House maintained Lindau ski was not permitted to discuss conversations with president trump beyond what's in the Miller report contract talks between GM and striking autoworkers showed some signs of progress with a walkout more than forty nine thousand employees continuing over GM and the UAW apparently remained far apart on some key issues including a two-tier TIRR wage structure forty Tracy Hamilton's in Detroit. It hurts morale. It creates resentment. not just on the part of the lower paid workers. You know it's a real culture shift here here for the Union where used to be. We all do the same work for the same. Pay and you know now. You might be working alongside somebody who's attempt. WHO's having trouble double paying their bills or maybe it's your buddy who's getting the lower wage and you know it just creates unhappiness amongst everybody to sorta to know that differential is there reporter. Tracey Samuelson in Detroit a Wall Street today. The Dow is up thirty three points this is NPR an important force in American music and art has died. John Cohen photographer who merced himself in the Visual Art World of the fifties in New York as Banjo player he was integral to the folk revival of the time as a member of the seminal new lost city ramblers is NPR's Stasi's Lucas reports. Cohen died yesterday at the age surveyed eighty seven John Cohen Front is calling in traditional American music from the hills and the data in his early twenties he set off to make his own field recordings in Kentucky Hockey and in Peru by nineteen fifty eight he joined up with Mike Seeger and Tom Paley to form the new lost city ramblers in other in addition to recordings Junko and made fifteen films and he was also an acclaimed claimed photographer whose work appeared in life magazine and is in the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of art in every medium. Coen celebrated American culture honest as it syllabus. NPR News New York the company we work says it is pushing back its initial public stock offering amid some concerns about the company's. Valuation Shen once valued at upwards of forty seven billion dollars. Some investors worry the office. Sharing firm may not be worth that much. Wall Street expected. We worked to begin so-called. Roadshow roadshow presentation would investors as soon as next week we work says it plans to list on the Nasdaq Stock. Exchange futures gained gave back. Some of their big gains ehnes benchmark. U._S. crude falling more than five percent today to end the session at fifty nine thirty four a barrel in New York. I'm Jack Speer N._P._R. News in Washington.

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NPR News: 05-15-2019 1AM ET

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05:10 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 05-15-2019 1AM ET

"Support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from Hungary, harvest produce delivery farm, fresh produce that's good for the planet and good for your wallet. Each delivery to your door saves at least ten pounds of food from going to waste along with all the resources used to grow it boxes contain a new and customizable selection of fruits and veggies every week. So it's easy to find the right fit for you. Go to Hungary, harvest dot net and get ten dollars off your first order when you sign up using promo code NPR. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Shay Stevens. Alabama Senate has given final approval for legislation. That's designed to get the US supreme court to reconsider the Roe v. Wade decision the measure would ban all abortions, except when the woman's health is at serious risk. Republican state Senator CLYDE Chambliss calls it a potential lifesaver. This Bill is designed to do is to go to the supreme court and challenge that particular precedence that said in nineteen Seventy-three that abortion is legal on demand essentially anytime anywhere for any raise democratic Senator Bobby singleton had this message for the women of Alabama. I would just like to say to all away state of Alabama. I'm sorr- measure now goes to the desk of Republican governor Kay Ivey. Republican voters in North Carolina's ninth congressional district of chosen their candidate for a special election to fill vacant US house seat as w UNC's rusty. Jacobs reports state. Elections officials ordered the vote after invalidating results of a twenty eighteen contest a political operative working for then Republican candidate marquess now faces felony charges Harris edged democrat, Dan McCreevy by just over nine hundred votes in the discarded twenty eighteen results McCreadie is running again libertarian. Jeff, Scott and green party member. Alan Smith are also on the ballot state Senator Dan Bishop when Tuesday's Republican primary Bishop is known for sponsoring the now repealed bathroom Bill that required transgender people to use public restrooms corresponding to the sex on their birth certificate for NPR news. I'm rusty Jacobs in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. San Francisco supervisors voted to ban facial recognition technology that doesn't have a usage policy. They've approved. The ban is part of legislation requiring local departments to provide. Details on any surveillance software planned or currently in use Russia. President Vladimir Putin says he believes President Trump is ready to repair relations with Moscow US secretary of state Mike Pompeo explored the possibility Tuesday during meetings with Russian officials in Sochi NPR's. Michelle Kellerman reports as he met palm peyot in so cheap. President Putin was again brushing off allegations of Russia's interference in US elections saying quote, however, exotic the work of special counsel Robert Mueller was it confirmed. There was no collusion. Putin's comments came after Pompeo had warned Russia's foreign minister to make sure that election interferences a thing of the past the Russians were engaged in that in two thousand twenty it would put our relationship in an even worse place than it has been and encourage them not to do that that we would we would not tolerate that says he was in so cheap. Because President Trump is committed to improving ties with Russia. Michelle Kellerman, NPR news, the State Department. You're listening to NPR news. There's some concern about the parts being used at the Hanford nuclear site in southeast Washington state. A federal watchdog is looking into all types of parts at a seventeen billion dollar construction project there and at similar sites across the nation. Details from Anna king, the northwest news network. The inspector general for the department of energy found that a sample of parts going into a large waste treatment plant at Hanford has problems. Specifically parts are not documented properly to ensure their safety for nuclear waste processing Bechtel is the lead company building the treatment plant this meant to process. Fifty six million gallons of radioactive waste and the company has been under fire for this same issue in the past. The report says this problem might be a nationwide issue for the department of energy at all of it cites the department of energy says that it firmly stands behind the safety of the items and services that were the subject of the federal report for. NPR news. I'm Anna king in Richland Washington. Tim Conway who appeared in television shows movies over five decades has died. Conway has best known as part of the on samba cast on the Carol Burnett show, which aired for seven years until nineteen seventy eight he won a Golden Globe. And multiple Emmys for his performance on the show and two more Emmys for guest appearances on the TV shows coach and thirty rock. Tim Conway was eighty five years old on stock markets in Asia shares are higher following gains. On Wall Street. The Dow Jones industrials rose two hundred seven points. The NASDAQ added eighty seven I'm Shay Stevens. NPR news in Washington.

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NPR News: 02-28-2019 12AM ET

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04:57 min | 2 years ago

NPR News: 02-28-2019 12AM ET

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Comcast business having the nation's largest gig speed network was just the start. Now, they're providing gig fueled apps and solutions that exceed expectations and help businesses perform Comcast business beyond fast live from NPR news in Washington, I'm Nora raum. President Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong UN have begun the main part of their negotiations in the Vietnamese capital NPR's, Anthony Kuhn reports from Hanoi. Trump and Kim held about half an hour of one on one talks with interpreters before breaking out into larger discussions with other officials sitting in front of a row of flags. President Trump said that North Korea has the potential to become an economic powerhouse. And he repeated something he said before about the North's nuclear weapons, we is not that important to react very much. Appreciate no testing nuclear rocket fizzle of it very much. Appreciate it Kim Jong UN meanwhile, took an. Unprecedented question from a foreign reporter expressing optimism about the summit's outcome. Anthony Kuhn, NPR news Hanoi. President Trump's former personal attorney spent Wednesday on Capitol Hill telling a house committee that has former boss is a racist. And a con man who lied about his business interests in Russia during the twenty sixteen presidential election NPR, Susan Davis reports it's unclear what happens next the longtime personal lawyer and confident of the president of the United States testified for hours on Capitol Hill, accusing him of crimes accusing him of having a poor character and any other number of offenses and the question now going forward as well for Michael Cohen, he will go to prison, but for congress. What did they do with this information, and and and how far down this past do they go and where does it lead? And I think we're still at the beginning of could be a very long chapter between the conflict con the conflict between congress and cap and the Trump administration on this NPR's, Susan Davis. The house voted Wednesday to require background checks on all firearm sales and transfers including those online at gun shows. The house is also expected to consider a Bill that would extend the review period for background checks from three to ten years. Neither Bill is likely to be approved by the Senate or by President Trump. The attorney general of Washington DC has subpoenaed records from President Trump's inaugural committee NPR's Peter Overby reports the committee raised and spent more than twice as much as previous inaugural committees. DC attorney general coral Racine appears to be focusing on money. The inaugural committee spent at Trump businesses, including the hotel near the White House propublica and WNYC have jointly reported the Trump inaugural appeared to pay unusually high prices for space at the Trump hotel, the committee spent one hundred seven million dollars overall the runner up was President Barack Obama's first inaugural at fifty two million to New York Times first reported the subpoena. The committee has also. Gotten subpoenas from federal prosecutors in Manhattan and from the attorney general of New Jersey and inaugural committee spokesman acknowledged receiving the subpoena her scenes office and the Trump hotel declined to comment. Peter Overby NPR news, Washington. This is NPR news. The United Nations is to consider a resolution Thursday calling for the peaceful restoration of democracy in Venezuela. Russia is likely to veto the measure since it supports President Nicolas Maduro who wanted to speed it election campaign operative who worked for a Republican congressional candidate in North Carolina has been charged with multiple felonies for absentee ballot fraud from member station. W UNC rusty Jacobs reports Republican Mark Harris hired McRae Dallas because of his prior success in helping candidates with getting out the absentee by mail vote in rural bladen county Harris seemingly won his ninth district race against democrat. Dan, mccready by scant nine hundred five votes. But in investigation by the state elections board found that going back to the twenty sixteen GOP primary and in the twenty eighteen midterm elections. Dallas ran into legal operation he allegedly paid workers to unlawfully collect absentee ballots include. The ones that were not properly witnessed or filled out as a result. There will be a new election. Mark Harris says he won't run again for NPR news. I'm rusty Jacobs in Chapel Hill North Carolina Garnesville, California is now an island after the Russian river hit its highest level in about twenty five years. It's now acceptable only by boat as well as the nearby town of Monteriro this part of several storm systems in the western US that also dumped heavy snow in the Sierra, Nevada and Montana, the storms closed schools and roads and brought down trees and power lines from Oregon to Montana, I'm Nora raum. NPR news in Washington.

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NPR News: 10-31-2020 9PM ET

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04:39 min | 4 months ago

NPR News: 10-31-2020 9PM ET

"Live from NPR news I'm Janine herbst it's the final push to sway voters for president trump and democratic rival. Joe Biden trump spent the day campaigning in Pennsylvania and NPR's Tamra has more on why he is back in that state it's the one where they think he has the best chance to win. Now he is still behind in polls but not as far behind this some other places he is focusing on areas where he won handily trying to drive up turnout among his base to make up for losses that they're expecting in suburban areas NPR's Tamra Keith traveling with the president meanwhile, Joe Biden. Campaigned Michigan today alongside former President Obama but he'll be back in Pennsylvania. Tomorrow. And here's Scott. detro- has more one interesting thing that the Biden campaign is doing similar to what the trump campaign is doing today in addition to hitting those big population centers of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh Biden has made a point to spend a considerable amount of time focusing on places that often don't vote for Democrats and he's betting big on the argument. The Democrats need to focus pay attention and still lose those places but lose them by smaller margins. NPR's Scott detro- in North Carolina. What started as a peaceful protest at the base of a confederate monument in Graham today and it with police using pepper spray to disperse demonstrators from North Carolina public radio Rusty Jacobs has more. It. was billed as a legacy march to the polls for Change Times with the last day of voting. North Carolina in what has been a banner year for turnout. The Rally of around two hundred people of all ages started with the march individual of eight plus minutes in honor of George. Floyd killed by Minneapolis police officer in May it abruptly and violently ended. Police declaring the gathering an unlawful assembly fearing the site with pepper spray. Carolina's attorney general said, he looked into the matter and determined the incident did not disrupt voting at a nearby polling place for NPR news I'm Rusty Jacobs. England, is grain a second lockdown because of a resurgence of corona virus cases. NPR's Frank Langfitt has more all pubs and restaurants will close along with non essential retail shops and universities will remain open. Prime Minister Boris Johnson addressed the country Saturday. The virus is spreading even faster than the reasonable worst case scenario of our scientific advisers whose models as you've just seen nine suggests that unless we act, we could see death in this country running at several thousand today. The decision is yet another u-turn Johnson who recently dismissed a second lockdown saying it'd be a disaster for the country. This is NPR news. The days are shorter on this last leg of a long election season daylight saving time ends this weekend tomorrow at two am local time have here's amy held reports on a rare confluence of events not only is a full moon lighting the way Halloween night. It's a blue moon. The second full moon in a month only happens once every two and a half years another rarity in twenty twenty, a pandemic year many people are hoping will hurry up and end but clocks. Will fall back early Sunday for seeing a repeat of the one. Am Our the American Academy of Sleep Medicine has added its endorsement to call for permanently ending daylight saving time saying it would improve sleep and overall public health folklore says a full moon can also affect human behavior though real data back that up scientists say the belief may be more about confirmation bias. Now, the Blue Moon is heralding the end of an election season already overshadowed by uncertainty, amy held NPR news. Another hurricane may be forming in the Atlantic the National Hurricane Center says Tropical Depression Twenty nine formed this afternoon in the central Caribbean Sea at is expected to become a hurricane in the coming days as it approaches Central America forecasters from the Hurricane Center say the storm, which is about three hundred fifteen miles southeast of Kingston Jamaica last check. If it becomes a name storm as expected, it would be named etta the twenty eighth named Atlantic storm of the season that ties the two thousand five record for named storms I'm Janine herbst NPR news.

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Election Day 2020: Dispatches from Battleground States 2020-11-03

The Takeaway

52:06 min | 4 months ago

Election Day 2020: Dispatches from Battleground States 2020-11-03

"It's election day. Twenty twenty and the world is watching without knowing when we'll actually know all of the results emotions are running. High anxiety is running high and as a result. You know you want the answer. You don't wanna sit with that anxious uncertainty but that may be what we exactly what we have to do. I'm tansy vega today on the takeaway for november third twenty twenty. You may not have all the answers for you yet. But we've got some good stuff for you on this election day including advice on how to follow those election results. Plus hurricanes and wildfires on top of the coronavirus pandemic how disasters upon disasters are affecting voter access and turnout between trying to deal with the insurance worrying about their home and the other thing that they had to deal with there were wanted to figure out how to vote but it was not the top thing on their mind. But i nearly one hundred million people have already submitted their ballots in early voting. That's more than seventy one percent of the total number of votes that were cast in two thousand sixteen across the country. Voters are taking to the polls today in their last opportunity to cast a ballot. So we're checking in with public radio reporters around the country in key states to see how the voting process there is playing out. We start in the state of wisconsin. My name is robert mentzer. I am the rural communities reporter for wisconsin public radio. I'm based in in central wisconsin. So in wisconsin. As in a lot of places there was a huge wave of voting so we have had something on the order of one point. Five million absentee ballots. That were returned ahead of election. Day and wisconsin is also a state that does not permit tabulating ballots election day so clerks across the state are sitting on these large caches of absentee ballots. That won't be tabulated and sort of counted until after voting closes tonight. Which is why we expect that in wisconsin. The results might take until you know well into wednesday morning for us to know with election. Looks like wisconsin. Right now is one of the top hot spots for coca nineteen in the nation and in some parts of the state. Infection rates have been climbing and hospitalizations rates. And so on and so. This is one reason why so. Many people had chose to to vote early. But it's like not distributed evenly across the state the urban areas and suburban areas are much more likely to have requested and returned absentee ballots in than in rural areas Still you know less than half of expected. Voter turn out. has been absentee in rural areas so an expectation that there will be a lot more people voting in person and so as a result. There's more risk exposure to the disease. Wisconsin has same day voter registration and so there are so as far as barriers to voting. Wisconsin has a voter. Id requirement which has been was very controversial and fought over in courts but ultimately upheld since it was was passed and some people see that as a as a barrier to voting however there is same day voter registration so people who have an idea and have the you know can prove their their residency and so on a have the option to show up at the polls and registering at still have cast a vote. That's going to count in this election. Next we move south to north carolina. I'm rusty jacobs. I cover politics for north carolina. Public radio w. unc. It's not an overstatement to say that the turnout. During seventeen days of early voting. That's person voting as well as absentee by mail voting. It's been unprecedented. North carolina heading into election day saw more than sixty one percent of registered voters. Turn out with early in person voting and absentee by mail. North carolina put itself in a really good position to deal with the flood of absentee ballots. This year north carolina. Legislators passed a bill in june. A bipartisan bill. Which is rare in these parts that eased a lot of rules around absentee voting including giving county boards. He authority to start tabulating processing absentee ballots as much as five weeks away from election day. That will ease the counting in the homestretch or at the end of election day. That being said that doesn't mean there hasn't been a lot of partisan rancor in strife around especially the issue of the ballot rules after the legislation was passed in june that did ease some absentee ballot rules advocacy groups started filing lawsuits against state agencies including the elections board. The elections board tried to settle a lot of these lawsuits with a comprehensive agreement. And what they proposed was extending the deadline for counting. Absentee ballots postmarked by but received after election day. The state law had already said that ballots postmarked by election day but receive up to three days afterwards could be counted. They that is. The elections. Board extended that to nine days november twelve nine after election day. Republicans in the legislature immediately sought to block that in courts as you may know the. Us supreme court a majority of five three majority decided not to intervene and not to grant the republicans request for an emergency stay so that extended deadline exists. Pennsylvania could be a huge tipping point this year. Let's head there now. My name's katie meyer. I'm the political reporter for. Whyy public radio in philadelphia. We've kind of seen our counties become overloaded and had to learn new systems in new procedures on the fly in a way that they didn't expect to before and one of the biggest things that's come out of that is just going to take us a really long time to count votes. Pennsylvania is allowing some votes to be counted between eight pm. November third with account is supposed to be cut off and the on november six and that was because the state supreme court allowed that extension because of mail delays out of the trump administration has been calling into question ed. Republicans in the state and republicans elsewhere in pennsylvania have been saying that they don't believe that those votes should be counted because they think it's not legal so there have been lawsuits moving up down through the state and into the supreme court. The extension has been upheld for now but we could see more lawsuits afterward. So that's part of this. The issue is trump administration has also been saying all. Well you know if we don't have account election than there might be questions about how it how legitimate the counters and you know. The answer here is just that we would never going to have a results in pennsylvania on election night. You know it's just. It's too many ballots to count. It's just gonna take a long time. You won't see results from pennsylvania on election night. You're going to see some results. They won't be complete. All of this. Logistical stuff has been tough for voters. And i think it makes it even tougher because we are sort of the consensus swing state. What are the big questions. This year is will the lone star state of texas. Turn blue. my name. Is joey palacios on the local government reporter in san antonio texas public radio. We're seeing a surge of voting in texas right now. At the end of early voting on friday about nine point seven million people have already voted and that surpasses the entire twenty sixteen elections including election. Day back then about nine million people had voted then so we are already ahead of election day. So it's worth noting that we have had actually six extra days of voting because of the pandemic the governor issued an executive order that extended the early voting time period and as you can see we've already surpassed the number of voters that participated in two thousand sixteen so there's been some back and forth one of the biggest challenges that happened was who can vote by mail so texas has rules in place that you can really only vote by mail if you're disabled or if you are above sixty five years of age if you're in jail or if you're going to be outside of the county during early voting and election day but because of the pandemic there are people who wanted to vote by mail so there were court challenges but ultimately it was decided that vote by mail could only be done by folks that fit that prescription that fear of contracting cove nineteen didn't count as a disability so even then we have seen record usage of mail ballots here in bear counting in san antonio where i am right now. We have well more than double. The record of previous mail. Ballots have been counted in prior elections. And they're still ballots that have to come in by election day up here in new york city. Something we're not used to long voting lines. My name is bridget. bergen. I'm the city hall and politics reporter at wnyc near public radio. It's the first presidential election in new york with early voting and voters took advantage of those nine extra days to cast their ballots. More than a million voters turned out for early voting here new york city. That's about twenty percent of the eligible registered voters and altogether across new york state about eighteen percent of the eligible registered. Voters turned out for early voting. Than if you compare that to the number of voters who participated in the twenty sixteen general election. We've already seen about forty percent of the eligible. Voters cast their ballots so far in twenty twenty now among the issues facing people who cast those early votes was long lines at the polls the city board of elections had to extend early voting hours and add an additional early voting site for the final weekend of early voting but we also saw that issue affect voters in other parts of the state of new york in ulster and rockland counties the boards of elections there were sued by lawyers because of the long lines and they were forced to extend early voting hours in both of those localities their concerns about intimidation at the polls we will have observers from election protection as we always do out at pulse. Aids offering bipartisan assistance to voters. Who have questions but new york city mayor. Bill de blasio also has organized a volunteer corps of more than five hundred volunteers. Who are going to be going out to pull. Said's they'll be wearing stickers that say election observer corps and they will be another set of eyes and ears on the ground in general really looking to see how much that early voting turnout takes away the pressure on election day poll sites and finally we go down to florida another state that could tip the election in the electoral college. My name is danny rivero. A reporter and producer for wwl on public radio that npr station here in miami. Honestly i think the latino vote here could be a decisive factor. Also just the number of african americans and black ribbons. You know we have a ton of of west indians here and a lot of them are extremely motivated to vote especially because comma harris on the ticket and she's jamaican and of indian descent. So that's really motivated. Some people to get out there and vote and is also really big. American voting block that a big chunk of them went for trump. Last time around that. I've talked to a couple of people that voted for trump last time in that community. And they said we're not doing it again. You know so. There's a lot of open questions about whether haitians and and west indians and african americans are really going to show up to vote for a democrat. It's a very big population if they do that. A numbers than that could also be a decisive factor. The election system here in florida. The cycle is actually well established. We can start counting early ballots. Twenty two days out. We have really robust early voting system. There's drop boxes multiple in every county and the lines. You know the first couple of days of early voting. There were some pretty long lines. But that's more or less smooth doubt over the days state-by-state we're in really good shape. The thing that always screws us over is just the margins like the margins of victory here are so small and so narrow that things often get thrown into like a recount situation. That doesn't mean the system is bad. Just means they're close elections. We had a situation here in south miami dade county over the weekend where you know. There were reports that there was a huge backlog of of mail at one of the main processing centers are prosecuted here actually called on the federal officials to go investigate it and they did come up with dozens of ballots. That were that. Were supposed to be delivered to people. Both i never made it. And now there's ongoing investigations into other post offices around here to see how many of those ballots just got delivered. You know that could end up being a big walkaway. narrative selection. A lot of people change the way that they vote. When you change the way that you vote. It's brand new more subject to errors. Big thanks to our friends at wisconsin public radio w. unc in chapel hill north carolina. Whyy in philadelphia. Texas public radio w. l. r. n. In miami and of course our own local. Wnyc newsroom here in new york city. Twenty twenty has been a record year for hurricanes wildfires and other climate related weather disasters. And that's made the voting process more of a challenge for certain voters around the country. This recent string of climate disasters from wildfires in states. Like california oregon. Colorado took hurricane zeta along. The gulf coast have complicated an already difficult election year as evacuees and others affected by these disasters navigate how to cast their votes for more on this. I spoke to john. Childs a writer for weather dot com and adam race the rural and small communities reporter at ku and see in colorado and according to adam. It's unclear just how much the wildfires have already affected the early voting process at least in colorado. We don't know exactly. How many of the people that are evacuated from the fire. Our voters and even from among those. It's difficult to tell how many have already cast their ballots. As mail in voting has been going on for several weeks as has in person voting and dropbox voting. So it's really difficult to get a handle on that overall. Colorado were seeing really good return numbers and the counties that are mostly affected by the fires are seeing record breaking return numbers as of the state Overall what have the options been for voters especially people who have been evacuated from their communities even up to today election day. Polling centers have been open since october nineteenth and many areas and there are more opening as election day approaches so voters can go to any of those anywhere in their county if they evacuated somewhere else in the same county or if they go to one in somewhere else in the state they can use. What's called a statewide ballot which would essentially just take off all the local races and allow them to vote on the national and statewide raises questions if they have their mail in ballot and they took it with them when they evacuated as you've heard Several people did do was one of the first things people packed. I've told in some cases they can take those and put them into any dropbox in this day. And that'll go even if it's a different county from their own. The clark county will deliver all ballots from their dropbox. That's outside of the county to the home counties election offices there's also emergency options They don't really advertise a lot of these options and because specific situations require specific solutions. And they don't want voters to get confused or misjudge whether or not they qualify for a certain option but one of the areas that was hit by the fire. The hardest a small mountain community has been telling voters that they can actually use an online ballot though. I was just told As of the morning before election day that only five voters had taken advantage of that interesting that you say that there were people who were evacuating and thinking about their ballots packing those that shows a serious interest and commitment to voting jan. Let's bring you in here. Wildfires are not all that we've experienced this year. Hurricanes like hurricane zeta Which is the latest that we're experiencing. How have they complicated. The early voting process in the gulf region louisiana particular has been hit a really hard this year. They've had you know five. Storms make landfall in the state and so a lot of that is kind of similar to some of the things that adam was saying in terms of the options for voting. And things like that and it's also true that we don't really know yet How that might affected Turnout among people who were evacuated or displaced from their homes Their early voting ended before hurricane zeta. So they had already completed but they were really concerned about How people would vote. In areas like lake charles that entire parish was under a mandatory evacuation for two hurricanes. There's a couple of thousand people still living in hotels outside of the parish and you know people dealing with repairs to their homes and things like that and so there was a lot of question about how that might go well. They had twice the number of voters. Turn out this year for early voting than they did in two thousand sixteen. You can't say for sure how many more might have turned out if there hadn't been these storms and hurricanes happening but it didn't appear to have a dramatic impact that we can see right now but it's like adams said we really won't know until it's all said and done and the ongoing issues. They have their now though are power outages That are still an issue in the areas. That were hit by zeta southeast louisiana right now. So they're having to bring in generators and things like that to make sure that the the polling places can can be all up and running and everything goes smoothly. Today is the expectation that they will be to maintain the polls open at least till the end of election day. That is the expectation. That's what they're saying. As of yesterday they were bringing in generators to the places that didn't already have them the power company. Also there in louisiana also prioritized getting power back to those polling locations so many of those already had their power back anyway in lake charles though they did have to consolidate Polling places into just a couple of larger locations so people there have to go to a different place to than they normally would have. And there's always concern about that because anytime you put any inconvenience to voting. It tends to be a barrier for some people. It's not just hurricanes that we're concerned about here. It's also an ice storm. That came through in october in the state of oklahoma and that's left thousands of people without power. What's happening there. How has that community tried to gather itself for election day. A lot of those power outages are in and around oklahoma city So you've got a large number of people. They're they're doing the same thing they're that they're doing in louisiana Bringing in generators that they have set up their polling places open and their early voting didn't appear to have any disruptions in terms of people not being able to vote. It's a little bit of a different situation there because people aren't evacuated to go back to colorado for just a second adam. I'm still thinking about the folks who have Who you said that you talked to pack their ballots as they were evacuating. I mean that's a time when you think about family photos and things like that. What are some of the emotional challenges. Adam that voters who are dealing with natural disasters are facing the primary emotions are just kind of stress right. now I spoke to to evacuees about this issue primarily both of them have actually luckily recently Been able to get back into their homes. Although one of them is under evacuation order may be forced to leave again but it was just a lot of stress. And i had one. Tell me that between trying to deal with the insurance and trying to work from a hotel room you know and worrying about their home and the other thing that they had to deal with they were wanted to figure out how to vote but it was not the top thing on their mind that they had much more important things to deal with and much more stressful things to kind of process is this Has this set a precedent This year in particular because of everything that's happening with the corona virus or have natural disasters disrupted past elections in the us. I'm trying to think about whether they've had a similar effect has this year is in many ways Unique in the amount of people who have turned out to the polls to do early voting despite everything that they're experiencing we all know this year has been unprecedented in so many ways. And i think there's still a lot of things that that we've already mentioned that that we won't know until you know everything said and done. Bad weather has interrupted elections before. Actually the best example is probably hurricane sandy in two thousand twelve because that was also presidential election year and that storm hit a week before election day. They had to make a lot of last minute. Changes there and it was really a scramble. It was very chaotic. There was lots of controversy. That election has been studied by researchers still ongoing and really after that a lot of states put emergency plans into place. Adam we've been talking about the effect that natural disasters. Wildfires in hurricanes and ice storms are having on how people vote. But i'm wondering whether these disasters have also changed the way or who they might vote for. So there's actually very little recent and reliable polling on wildfires impact on voting patterns for colorado voters and voters in areas specifically affected by fires. More generally there is some national polling from there's a variety of groups economist family foundation new york times and pew but a of it was done just as if not well before the two largest fires in colorado see that explosive growth though california oregon had already seen some of their biggest fire. Growth at that point The little polling that we do have on this that ask about fires specifically tends to be pulling people specifically on its relationship to climate change. We know that the longer harsher fire seasons are definitely a function of that. It's kind of being used as a stand in so many of the recent polls on election issues belief in climate change in the value placed on that belief tend to be pretty sharply divided along party and candidate lines mirroring how the two parties presidential candidates talk about it on the campaign trail and in general polls do say the majority of voters are concerned about climate change to at least some if not a significant degree but between corona virus and the economic downturn for a lot of these poll voters. It wasn't the top issue going into this election jan. You mentioned that there are different. Emergency plans that have been put into place. What are some examples of those thinking about the state of louisiana for example or georgia in louisiana. What they're doing right now is is getting the generators in place. They also have backup batteries on their voting machines which can last up to eight hours. Adam given that We're just that the polls are open for a couple more hours today. What advice would you give people who are heading out to the polls who have dealt with these types of natural disasters piece of advice have gotten from a local elections officials across the northern. Half of colorado is consistently. Call your county cleric. Collier county cleric collier county clerk if you are not able to access a ballot and you want to go vote in person or for some reason voting in person be difficult or you don't want to just use a statewide ballot. Call your county clerk. They'll be able to tell you how your state's laws and their local resources will be able to support you in whatever situation you're dealing with and that applies to any variety of emergency situations from injury to krona virus to the fires jan. Anything on your end. Any advice for folks says they head out for these final opportunities to cast a ballot in this election. Pay attention to your local officials. And if you're in one of these areas affected by the power outages check and make sure that you're going to the right place to vote. Jan child is a writer for weather dot com and adam raya says the rural and small communities reporter at k. u. n. c. jan adam. Thanks so much for joining us. Thanks fanzine editor off. Hi it's madonna. Wholesome of latino usa. We all love great stories and great stories are what we pride ourselves in delivering to you every week latino. Usa presents a mix of reporting on culture and politics diverse voices and coverage of current and emerging issues featuring stories from the heart stories. That will make you think. And maybe even inspire. You listen to latino usa on your favorite podcast app from pr wrecks. How are you going to watch this election unfold. Some of you will listen to the radio. Others were watch cable. News pundits others will doom. Scroll through social media but one thing's for certain is that whatever your media consumption will be today. You may wanna lineup some snacks and be ready for some uncertainty. Margaret sullivan is a media columnist at the washington post. And she's got some tips for how journalists and the public should proceed on this big night margaret. Welcome back to the show. It's so great to have you with us today of all days. Thank you so much for having me on election day we have arrived. The day is here and according to your new column election day will be the media's d day what does that mean well. I think it's a really important task. What i mean by that is that this is an extremely important. Make or break day for the news media to do a good job doesn't i. It's not about what happens. It's about whether the media can do. Its job properly which is to you know. Most of what. I'm thinking about is not to magnify untruths to explain in context not to parrot things that are wrong all the things we have unfortunately fallen prey to quite a bit during the trump administration. You also talk about having patients you're asking journalists to have patience and well. I know it's a big ask but i do think that i mean it may not turn out to be necessary. I mean if there's a landslide of one sort or another then certainly. We're going to know on election night What has happened. But if if it's relatively close race that could be much more of an issue because in the early moments in the early hours even into the next day it may look like one thing and turn out to be something else entirely because all the ballots have been counted. And i'll or at least a lot of them haven't been counted in key states for example pennsylvania. You're caution journalists to also be careful about calling racist too quickly what's at stake if they do not heed that warning. Well it lends itself unfortunately to a situation in which And i mean. I don't think we have to be to be careful about who's gonna do this or not. President trump has already layed lots of the groundwork for saying that if he's ahead that he's going to declare victory well If if he does that. And if the media parrots that or if the the news media's various decision desks are saying well it does look like it's headed in this direction or or whatever it may be then if it turns around the other way it's going to look like fraud or it's going to look like an illegitimate come which it may well not be. It may just be a matter of the votes aren't fully in and as you know tenzin. This is really unusual election for so many reasons but one of them is that we have way more mail in ballots than we ever have before and much more Much more turnout than certainly expecting much more. Turn out than there has been in recent years in recent presidential cycles. You mentioned the media's decision desks on election night what are they an. How do they work. Well they're usually at the big media organizations. There's a group of people veteran journalists. Or you know. Some of them are more on the sort of numbers crunching side of things who analyze the races look at key precincts and eventually make a decision about whether they can say okay yes. Wisconsin has gone to x. person an interesting one is the one at fox news which you know. We all think that fox news is very pro trump and that their coverage is very right-leaning but they have one of the best and most respected decision. Desks that is quite separate from the news content. So you know they have a real. It's a very interesting situation. So you know will they. Will these decision desks. Take their time and be really sure. I think they need to be extra sure. This year you yourself have had to make some pretty dicey early calls in presidential races. Tell us about what you learned in in that process. And i've been a journalist for a long time a couple of decades and the one that sticks out in my mind as it does for manny was the two thousand election when the you know george w bush versus al gore and it really all came down to florida at that time in two thousand our print edition at the buffalo news where i was. The top editor was still extremely important and We had to make a decision. I had to make a decision. About what kind of headline to put on the papers that people were going to get at their doorsteps the next morning and as it happened a consortium of news organizations originally called florida for bush and so many of us went with headlines that said our said for a very early edition bush apparent winner but then within minutes they reverse that instead florida was still up for grabs and so we ended up sending out a few that said bush apparent winner and then for the rest of our additions which went to most everybody. It said something like down to the wire but a lot of papers a did much worse on that and said you know went ahead and said that bush had one and a few not as many but a few even declared gore the winner. So it's a cautionary tale. You never wanna have that. Dewey defeats truman moment. Like one of the chicago papers did Many years ago. So back in september margaret. You wrote that. The media needs to prepare the public for uncertainty and there is a lot of uncertainty. I think that's part of why we're seeing such record turnout in advance of today. But that uncertainty can still be with us tonight as these ballots. Come in and some news outlets could be at risk of really putting forth the idea. That delayed results are an indication that the process is broken. In some way. that's right. I think actually i'm a little bit. It's not like me to be particularly complementary or optimistic about the news media as you know. But i actually think from having watched a lot of network news. A lot of cable news read a lot of different organizations work. I think that the news media actually has prepared people people who are paying attention for the fact that election night might not be the time when they really know the winner. But there's another factor here which is the for a lot of people you know in a good portion of the public. They're not paying attention in that way. Going to start paying attention Sometime during the evening you know paying close attention and say okay. I'm going to turn on cnn or whatever it may be. And i expect to know the answer. And if i don't know the answer will something must be very very wrong so while i think it's been pretty good it. It's not all on the media. Some of it is on citizens and consumers whichever liked to call them to really be Discerning and to be well informed and you know we see all different degrees of that and to be able to sit with the uncertainty for a little bit. If that's what's being called for right. Yeah that's and that's really hard to do. Especially because people have such strong feelings about this election you know everybody. No matter who you support is ready to say that the other side is gonna take us into some sort of end of End of the world scenario and so emotions are running. High anxiety is running high and as a result you you want the answer. You don't wanna sit with that anxious uncertainty but that may be what we exactly what we have to do as we are heading into the final moments For americans to be able to cast their ballot here in this country. How're you going to be following all of this. Are you going to be doing a combination of social media following and maybe tv and of course the takeaway will be part of that. But are you going to be doing it. And also how should folks who aren't journalists being following it. What's the best piece of advice for them. Well i think the best thing to do and the thing that i like to do is compare and contrast you know. Don't just say alright. A my only news source even if it's a wonderful one Is going to be acts. And that's it. I think it's important to look across the different platforms the different social media platforms the different broadcast networks. Different print outlets radio. You know that doesn't mean you have to make a science out of it but maybe to pick two or three of that have slightly different points of view and see how they're covering things so for me of course because i write about the news media all the time i of course look at twitter a lot of course look at the major print organizations the major networks and i also make sure that i see what right-leaning or a pro trump media is doing too. So i will definitely be spending some time on fox news and others that will be telling probably quite a different story than what we're seeing elsewhere and it'll be a long day for many of us Margaret sullivan a media columnists at the washington post and frequent guest here on the takeaway margaret. Thanks as always. You are so welcome great to be with you and your listeners. Ten tenzin this election marks the first time in. Us history that the number of eligible latino voters is expected to be higher than the number of eligible black voters. And that means that there's been a renewed focus on how latinos could shape the results in states like florida and texas but to fully understand. Let the voters this election. It's important to take a step back. And acknowledge the long history of voter suppression against latinos in the united states which date back for more than a century over the past month. We've been covering some of the issues that matter. Most to latino voters in this election cycle in our series avocado and through it. All we've been hearing from our latino listeners on this paula. i'm calling from west palm beach florida. I'm a latina. I'm voting for all my fellow. Latina latino people in this country who need a path to citizenship and will never get it under the current administration. I'm voting for all the minorities and this country and voting for democracy so that can survive claim is deena. i'm calling from seattle. Both my wife. And i are latin expoters and we feel very strongly having president that respect our own values and those our families is critical. Someone who believes in science in cleveland decency and respect. I'm joined now by michelle garcia a journalist and essayist recently wrote about the history of latinos voter suppression for the texas observer and palabra. Thanks for being with me. Michelle could to be here. Michelle your piece for the texas observer starts on election night twenty eight eighteen. Why was that the starting point. That night really stayed with me. Because i'm at a election night party watching the returns. Come in in austin across the street from the university of texas at austin really interesting group of political junkies and students and organizers and i'm asking them why are you here. What is it about elections and voting. That means something to you and everybody had a memory that they invoked. Whether it was the elder who said i remember going to the union meetings with my parents and watching what organizing community can do to the young african american woman at the local historically black college who said remarked to the polls today like they did in the sixties right. This is my legacy on part of that history. And meanwhile in dallas. You had david via levels. You know who was watching. The returns and who's connection was his childhood memory of block walking knocking on doors with his mom in laredo. Texas new campaigning. And i began to wonder. How important was it. Or is it to have a memory to have a sense that your vote connects to a larger narrative that you belong to a legacy of democracy and the fight for vote. How significant is that to either. Moderating people vote or also understanding what it means as you said the latino are so you know historic hide this year and you're sing historic turnout. Interestingly we are here about voter suppression tactics and poll taxes literacy tests and threats violence that have been used against african american voters in this country. Tell us about how those tactics were also used against latino voters in the twentieth century. I think part of why we don't hear about this as much is because of geography so much of the history of this country's told from east west but in new york for example in one thousand nine hundred thirties you would have a puerto rican woman go to the polls found an oral history which she's recounting going to the polls in brooklyn and confronting a literacy test and was able only to vote because there was another puerto rican in the neighborhood. A woman who's going around helping people prepare for that test so that they could cast that ballot. But you had the same test going on in arizona. You had them going. On in texas arizona pass laws that required minimum education property ownership texas passed a law in the early twentieth century. That just made it outright illegal to have interpreters spanish language interpreters at the polls but it went from poll taxes and literacy tests to violence. You had the state. Police in texas used to suppress the vote where mexican americans who can read and write and can pay. The poll tax were threatened by being sent to the penitentiary. If they try to cast a ballot you had all sorts of intimidation for decades going on in arizona in texas in other states. New jersey on that were keeping people from the polls. We have to consider that in arizona. For example there was a poll watching campaign of the nineteen sixties in which mexican americans and blacks were forced to recite portions of the constitution. This campaign was called eagle eye. And if they couldn't comply they were barred from voting. One of the people who carried this out was william rehnquist. Who as we know to become a us. Supreme court justice and chief justice so this is the level of suppression that was institutional by law enforcement. It was called a spirit of terrorism. Was how it was described by some lawyers in the nineteen seventies justice. Thurgood marshall wrote in an opinion that latinos faced quote a pervasive evil that was national in scope and it was aggravated by acts of physical economic and political intimidation. So you really see the range. And what is so interesting and important rate now is this history becomes institutionalized it becomes creates a chilling factor that then interrupts the tradition of voting. That's necessary to have a turnout. And so this is what so many groups of had to overcome and the basis for this was as vita wrote in the early twentieth century. Mexican americans were considered quote unfit to vote now. Consider that in twenty seventeen evans smith. Who's the founder of the texas tribune told the new yorker that there was a backlash to the rising latino political influence in texas because they were quote seen as unworthy so this history forms the context for understanding current events tactics long lines. We see an early voting and in and we will probably see today on election day. This history is often not talked about michelle. And i think part of it is really a lack of understanding of what role at the nose played in their own right in the civil rights movements in this country for their own right to vote and wide. Is it that. We don't know as much about this as we hear about other attempts at voter suppression. You're absolutely right and what you just said has an echo through time in nineteen sixty seven. The atlantic magazine published a story called the minority. Nobody knows and in it. It said when people on the east coast win the media elite when the political elite think about latinos at all they imagine mexican. American workers stooped in the fields and in the nineteen sixties in that same article a union organizer scholar writer has name was at an esta. Guy are so he said quote historically mexican. Americans have not been seen as a great constitutional and moral issue as were the negroes nor as an ordinary immigrant group to be acculturated or simulated. They have been looked on simply as an ever replenishing supply of cheap and docile labor. So when you have a history that is told that does not include that moral imperative that history of violence. That was carried out in western expansion. Then you have a story of let the knows that is relegated to the perennial new arrival. I would even argue this particular election cycle. There's been an odd fan. The nation with latinos conservative voters and latinos who are anti-black and. I think that this is all a critical part of our cultural Reckoning if you will but still a quarter of latinos maybe third but really about a quarter of them identify as conservatives and will vote that way and. I think that the media's obsession with that narrative is off few skating some of the history that you're talking about here absolutely in the irony to that is there's so much sort of curiosity about. Who are these out liars right and so many theories you know. Does it have to do with masculinity does it have to do with you have a large eventual population abortions. A major issue but what gets overlooked and this is in the end. They actually go together. Is that you've had a sort of gauntlet laid down by the trump administration about belonging about this is what you do to be one of us. You know build the wall. This is what you do to call yourself in. American and when latinos are constantly being subjected to apprehension criticism and questioning about the citizen bona fide as. It is not surprising to me that you will find some people who are essentially fed up with having their citizenship question and will just say yes. I you know this is how i'm gonna prove i'm an american. He is laid out a test. And i will meet that test. You've spoken with members of several different. You the voting rights groups. And i'd love if you could explain how their activism is inspired by this history that you're talking about it is i think the other you know in addition to The kind of curiosity about right the trump supporters. There's also the constant. What do we do about the latinos. They're so different. Right you have puerto ricans. In new york you have in florida and colombians venezuelans and as if like people cannot wrap their minds around this diversity. And what's interesting is you see that richness reflected in the organizing so for example. I talk with people in arizona and they really reach into history of the chicano movement That organizing of the southwest in response to the civil rights movement in nineteen sixties and seventies to learn from that to learn how that sort of was abandoned. How they were abandoned by the democratic party and to learn from that to organize people and chart a new path. Meanwhile i'm talking with an organizer in north carolina. Who is the daughter of farmworkers. When i asked her. Well are you inspired by you. Know sesa chavez's nine hundred sixty four marker movement in california. She says no actually. I was the only mexican american kid in my school. I grew up going to an all black high school. And i'm really. I learned a lot and influenced by the civil rights movement of north carolina. She has the motto of north carolina. Tattoo her wrist but she's also influenced by the social movements in mexico the search the desktop to see those so you really see people pulling trying to patch together because our i mean we did a segment here on the show recently. Michelle about the underground railroad. That helped black. Slaves escaped the united states not to the north but to mexico and the lack of a real united states educational system framework where for our history and our role in this country's civil rights movement has really forced us today to kind of patched together a reality based on these bits and pieces and scholarship. Like what like what you've done here but it's really unfortunate that this history is has taken so long to come to light. It's true. I think you know what year i interviewed francisco narrow at columbia university. And she said she's a friend of the show by the way a yeah and she said you know what latinos have contributed to the political culture of this country imagination. So i would say that. In the same way that the young lords puerto rican young lords in new york twenty percent of that group was african. american you've had latinos building and working in coalition for decades. You see this in north carolina. The group will. They sang outright. We are a pro black pro lat next. Lgbtq group right or an arizona. You see that imagination In action and i think it's also worth mentioning that The moral issue the moral imperative that has gone. unstudied is playing out right now. My interview matt kumar. From what the latino and she said this this this moral this is happening right now. In the confluence of events of ongoing voter suppression latinos. Hit fight covid at staggering rates and the potential to have major impact in these particular needs states of north carolina arizona and texas. So you see this coalescing. All that is. We're in the center of historic moment. And this history. That we've been discussing. Came provides the frame and the context for understanding that struggle and the meaning of all of these people turning out to vote. Michelle garcia is a journalist and essayist currently working on a nonfiction book about the border. Thanks so much michelle thank you and that's all for us today and don't forget today is your last chance to cast a ballot and make sure your voice is heard this election and we hope you stay safe out there and of course keep calling us at eight seven seven eight mine take. That's eight seven. Seven eight six nine eight two five three or send us a tweet at the takeaway. Thanks so much for listening. I'm tenzin abega. this is the takeaway and we'll see you tomorrow on the other side.

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Sept. 9, 2019: Relief Efforts In The Bahamas; Malcolm Gladwell's 'Talking To Strangers'

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Sept. 9, 2019: Relief Efforts In The Bahamas; Malcolm Gladwell's 'Talking To Strangers'

"This message comes from here and now sponsor indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash. NPR podcast from NPR and WB be while I'm Robin Young I'm Jeremy Hobson it's here and now we'll start the hour in the Bahamas which is assessing the devastation from Hurricane Dorian. More than forty. People are now are confirmed dead a week after the storm hit and as rescue and recovery efforts continue the death toll is expected to rise hundreds at least are still <music> missing joining us now is NPR's Jason Bobby and who's in Cherokee near marsh harbour on Great Avocado Island. That's one of the hardest hit areas Jason. It's been a week now since story and hit. We're still hearing about no electricity no running water. What is it like where you are today. So you're not sons actually out today and you can see see why this is such a beautiful destination for so many people <hes> when you get into marsh harbour itself the destruction is just sort of mind and blowing entire neighborhoods just wiped out and part of what's interesting now is it's getting sort of like calm sort of quiet because so many people have cleared <unk> out they've managed to push most of the rubble away from the streets so that vehicles can get through and there's some search and rescue crews going through there but there's actually sort of a AH creepy silence in some parts of marsh harbour that are just rubble but very few people around when we were hearing reports just a few you days ago <hes> from reporters who had made it to where you are. Who said that there were still bodies in the rubble? Are you still seeing that yeah yeah. Absolutely I mean you. You unfortunately can smell it. In as you move through areas you can just smell that there's there's rotting bodies and that's even how the search and rescue cruise we talked to some of them yesterday said that they are identifying where some of these bodies are is by smell so yes definitely still bodies in the rubble there in terms of getting people out and getting people to either <hes> the capital Nassau or to even the United States. How of those efforts been going so. There's definitely there's an improvement on that. <hes> they're sending ferries. <hes> there's a mail boat that goes back and forth <hes> to Nassau that they were able to get <hes> quite a few people on they also have this thing called the fast ferry <hes> they've been loading people onto that some flights have been going. Delta is actually just doing some shuttles just between here <hes> and Nassau. Oh you know small private planes. Many people still are having a hard time getting off the island of people on their own are contacting people in Spanish wells else which is on another island and getting boats to come over and pick them up <hes> not. Everybody has managed to get out who wants to get out <hes>. There's also people who still aren't accepting the fact that they're going to have to leave. There are people who are a lot of Haitians hear US talking to one guy yesterday today. He had just gotten a work. Permit spent six thousand dollars to get a work permit. I never three years to stay here and he doesn't want to leave because he it just spent all this money. <hes> there's other patients who don't have the proper immigration permits and they're worried that if they go to Nassau they're going to get deported back to Haiti then this assist some Bahamians who don't want to accept that there is no power. There is no water <hes> it's GonNa be a long time before they're able to survive right here. Jason finally you've reported from so many places that have been hit hard by natural disasters or <hes> or manmade disasters astor's. How does this feel in comparison. You know certainly when you're standing in the middle of Marsh Harbour right now. This looks like you know one of the worst disasters that that I ever seen you know just rubble for as far as as you can see you know the force of these wins compared to Typhoon Haiyan that hit the Philippines in really just destroyed Claybon your this. This was an unbelievably powerful storm. People talk about just the wind's howling outside as it pounded them. I mean people telling stories about just being completely surrounded in water order more than ten feet of water rushing through marsh harbour and there were people in that just clinging to trees and fences and in things trying to survive so you know and certainly for the people who are here now they're saying this is the worst disaster that they have ever been through ever seen in the Bahamas Hamas and they're also trying to overcome that trauma as well as rebuild their houses figure out you know where they're going next that is NPR's ars Jason Bobby near Marsh Harbour on Great Avocado Island in the Bahamas Jason. Thank you you're welcome. President trump will be in Fayetteville north Breath Carolina later today to drum up support for Republican candidates trying to fill the only two empty seats in the House of Representatives. There are two special elections tomorrow. One is a race for the vacant third district seat left open by the death of Longtime Republican Congressman Walter Jones the other is in the ninth district a Redo of that twenty eighteen eighteen contest tainted by ballot tampering as Rusty Jacobs of member station W. N. C. reports. The election may be a bellwether for key stayed in twenty twenty. Dan McCready has been running to represent North Carolina's ninth congressional district for more than two years. I actually measure in terms of number of kids so I had three when we started and I got four now. Believe it or not my oldest is eight and my my youngest. Eleanor just turned to a few weeks ago. She was born line after we started this campaign. The Democrat is addressing about two dozen supporters gathered at campaign office in Hamlet. A small North Carolina town in Richmond County mccreadie ran for the seat last year against Republican Mark Harris after election day he trailed Harris by just over nine hundred votes but an investigation by the State Elections Board found a contractor for the Harris campaign had instructed workers to illegally handle people's absentee ballots in Bladen County. The board ordered voted into election. The scandal is clearly motivating. McCreevy supporters like Lois Jones a Richmond County Democrat sample. You know you think elections elections are free and honest but we're finding out that they're not from the twenty sixteen election to DC. Let an and I think it's going to motivate more people just us to come out north. Carolina's ninth district is shaped like a golf putter sitting along the border with South Carolina crossing eight counties. One of them is Cumberland County and it's Republican Party Chairman Jonathan Strange calls at one of the state's craziest districts economically different you know when you are closer to the Charlotte Mecklenburg Lemberg area you still have a lot of business service based economy but as soon as you cross that line of start moving into Union county you automatically start moving into more of an in agriculture rural area strange says. Gop Candidate Dent Bishop's advantage over Democrat. Dan McCready lies with bishops clarity of message you you know where Dan Bishops going to vote. He's told you I'm a trump. Republican bishop made that clear in a recent one on one debate with McCreevy answering a question about immigration. President trump is right. We need a border wall. We need a barrier so that we do not have illegals under those circumstances entering the United States and then in have to be dealt with in terms of detention over the long term and bishop assailed McCreevy for supporting a veto by North Carolina's Democratic governor of a bill that would have required sheriffs to honor federal immigration enforcement attention orders for inmates in local jails. The governor vetoed that bill because the governor favor sanctuary very city policy and Dan McCreary said the governor made the right call wrong as much as Bishop and Republicans would like to lump McCreevy in with the demonized progressive aggressive wing of Democrats including congresswomen Alexandria Cossio Cortez Ilan Omar and maxine waters the Iraq war veteran and marine is running a middle of the road. Let's rise above the divisive rhetoric campaign his slogan country over party on Healthcare McCreevy favors fixing obamacare not medicare for all every single. One of the proposals in my plan are nonpartisan. They're all ideas to bring down the cost of healthcare and protect people with preexisting conditions additions and work with Republicans and Democrats do it and on guns in public safety mccready supports what he calls common sense solutions like comprehensive background checks <music> but not a ban on assault weapons. We've also got to look at what we can get done right now. Washington's very broken place just about nothing's getting done at all up there and and anything that's coming out of the House of Representatives right now is dead on arrival with Mitch McConnell. At the debate bishop a staunch gun right's advocate surprisingly said he wouldn't rule out the need for some kind of weapons prohibition but offered no specifics he did hedge on the idea of red flag laws which would allow courts to keep guns from people. Oh deemed to be a danger to themselves or others. I have grave concern in administrative practice for whether liberal judges who have taken so much on themselves to carry out in terms of activism might use such power to strip inordinate numbers of people of weapons as the candidates approach the finish line nine bishop is getting some late inning big name support president trump and vice president. Mike Pence are scheduled to visit the state today to help get out the vote an indication occasion of one just how important turnout will be for a neck and neck race in an off year September special election and to just how closely the political establishment and sees it as a sneak preview for next year with health care and guns among the top concerns for voters. David Maclean teaches political science at Meredith College in Raleigh. Really I think this has got a real national flavor in terms of the issues and in terms of the trump presidency being part of the campaign the race also features far less well funded candidates from the Libertarian and Green Party for here and now I'm Rusty Jacobs and a note now on another another story. We're following the coast. Guard is conducting a dramatic rescue operation today off the coast of Georgia where a six hundred fifty six foot cargo ships sailing under Marshall Islands flag and carrying motor vehicles began listing early Sunday morning. It's capsized now and the massive ship is now floating on its its side like a giant whale. We'll have pictures at here now dot Org the Coast Guard says twenty the twenty four people on board have been rescued four were missing but the coastguard now says they've they've drilled a hole and made contact with them. They're inside. We'll follow this here now. bestselling author. Malcolm Gladwin likes to take a fresh look at things things we assume we know about so books like blink and the tipping point looked at how little things can have a big effect or at how we make decisions now gladiolas US looking at the assumptions we make when we talked to strangers we think of someone is shifting seems furtive. They're lying right well. Research shows not true. If if someone doesn't show remorse they're guilty right glad will reminds us of Amanda. Knox cleared of a murder charge in Italy. A charge glad wool says was because she didn't act the way strangers thought she should poet Sylvia. Plath makes an appearance glad will says she illustrates something called coupling behavior coupled old with context so maybe plath only committed suicide because she could when the gas oven she used was outlawed in the UK suicides dropped and and more controversially gladwin points to Sandra Bland the African American woman pulled over for failing to signal by the White Texas police officer Bryant and Siniya. She was was upset. He handcuffed her three days later. She committed suicide in jail and was this racism as many say or as glad will says a complete complete misuse of a system of talking to strangers that worked well for police in Kansas City. Malcolm glads book is talking to strangers what we should know about the people we don't no no and Malcolm you say. We've you strangers as simple to understand but ourselves. We're complicated. We're nuanced yes. When it comes to judgments judgements about our own character and behavior we are willing to entertain all manner of complexity and subtlety when it comes to making those same judgments about others? We are depressingly simplistic. We default to not being able to believe that somebody could be a bad person. Yeah you're right about a famous miss. Example British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain meeting with Adolf Hitler Nineteen thirty eight convinced he wouldn't invade Czechoslovakia but you say that this idea that we default fault to assuming that people are telling us the truth is also the thing that lubricates the wheels of society. We couldn't function if we were constantly doubting people. The book is built in in part on the ideas of a really brilliant psychologists named Tim Levine and he says that occasional deception is the price of civil society. We shouldn't be so quick to condemn ourselves or others. When we're victims of deception. We should instead understand that that's just the unavoidable side effect of something really important about human nature. We'll because if we were doubting everybody all the time we'd be like man that you describe who ends up barricading barricading himself in his home because he feels he's going to be murdered by Bernie madoff or Bernie madoff supporters because he's the one who figures out that Bernie madoff is committing a huge Ponzi scheme but once you know having used his skills to figure that out he's a tortured person Yup. He's the world doesn't work mark if we are all filled with so much suspicion that were capable of seeing the truth about prison like made off. It's very interesting and kind of subtle. It'll trade off that I wish we had a better understanding of no but one of the things he tells you is something that judges think about and that others think about Neville Chamberlain. I thought about he doesn't WANNA meet somebody face to face because he's afraid that he will go to that tooth defaulted. He'll try to see something good in that person and you profile a double agent for Cuba. Nobody suspected her the double agent and a Montanez possibly being spy because because they didn't want to see it yeah and when you realize that even an agency like for example the CIA which presumably one of the most sophisticated group of people fool around and who have devoted enormous amounts of attention and energy and resources to the detection and uncovering of spies when you realize that they are so so easily duped then you understand the kind of what we're up against his human beings and that there are many things when conclusions one can draw from that one is it raises the the question of why we bother spying if it's impossible to tech spies shouldn't we just get out of the business of spy and that's actually a very very serious point but the larger point is that we have to I think come to grips as human beings and this is one of the arguments in the book with our fundamental weaknesses. When it comes to making sense of strangers we cannot swagger into our confrontations with strangers with the conference that we can make sense of them in the moment there just is no evidence that we are good at at that task well? There's so much here. The Sitcom friends makes an appearance because you asked to study. The faces of the stars of the Sitcom friends ends because the actors emotions and when you think about it it's true they are so telegraphed so transparent as a word that we hear about a lot so you see when somebody's angry upset scared and yet that's not how real life is. We don't express ourselves that way. There's a profound difference between fictional representations of emotion in real life representations of emotion and when psychologists have studied this they found that only very infrequently is there this perfect match between our expressions and our feelings now that doesn't matter when you're dealing with a friend because we become aware of their idiosyncrasies. Do you sing Kasese. When it comes to strangers we don't have that kind of inside knowledge and then over the door to all manner misinterpretation. That's a big theme in the book. This idea of how how much transparency is a problem in the way we behave well in the secondary theme. Maybe could also be that how theories about interacting with strangers <music> bite work in one context if they're abused or taken out of that context they don't work and that takes us back to the police work in Kansas City <hes> when the thinking was let's couple you know tons of police officers knocking on doors but also you know pulling people over in just a few blocks where the crime is and people will welcome it and they did and the crime will fall it did but that theory of pulling people over as many as possible for the smallest of infractions was then picked up by this taxes access police officer who pulled over Sandra bland in a completely different area suburban area and it as you say he done this maybe every fifteen minutes as for the past several hours he'd been just pulling people over pulling people over abusing that coupling and you say not understanding Sandra Bland Yeah. ASANDRA bland case is really about the same thing I've been talking about. In these other cases which is it is an example of our failure communicate effectively with strangers that the cop ethically misunderstands Sandra planned and that has catastrophic consequences when we talk about the Sandra Glenn case the most common explanation is that it's an example of what happened when racist ideas find their way into law enforcement. I think that's absolutely true but what I wanted to do was to dig a little deeper and say maybe this is an example of how some fundamental ideas that we have in our head up and how to do with strangers are are. Ill suited for the real world so transparency who had just been talking about is one of them. The COP makes assumptions about how Sandra bled who she is and how she's feeling based on her emotional expressions and body language that is when it comes to dealing with strangers an exercise fraught with danger while we go back to all the points that you've been making all along the way in the book the research that shows that we can't pick out the person who's lying and we can't pick out the person who's guilty not of a crime we can't so he imposed some of that thinking on this woman. Sandra blend who was angry. She was angry. She'd been pulled over. She was angry that he was asking soon. Get Out of the car. He was being as you said a bully who you know who was fired and misinterpreted her anger as he thought she was dangerous so this is a classic exemple of misleading strangers and they're you know that I begin and end with this question of policing because I think these ideas that I explored the the book apply very powerfully to modern policing the we're asking police in American society to do something very very difficult difficult and very very ambitious which is were asking them to aggressively intervene in the daily lives of millions of Americans and make accurate judgments judgments about what those Americans are up to and in so doing prevent crime but my argument in this book is that is an impossible task but it just went asked him Malcolm glad will again the book is just stuffed with scholarly research and experiments but some people might say you went a long way to then characterize the Sandra Bland encounter as a mistake between strangers when for them it is flat out racism but they're the same thing aren't they are. They <hes> what is what is racism. It is a strategy. We use to characterize a stranger right. It is one of a number number of different ways in which one privileged group a majority group chooses to make sense of a minority group group of a group without power so what I'm trying to do is to take that fundamental impulse and dig down a little bit and say well what are the components of those powerful inconsequential racist reactions. I think you can make a very strong case that this philosophy of policing that underlies things like the traffic stop of Sandra plan but also hundreds of thousands of other of these aggressive and ultimately. I think socially malicious traffic stops by police officers is a way in which policing has represented and codified racist attitudes. So why would you jump to a conclusion about a young African American woman driving lawfully down a street in the middle of the day in a middle class community in Texas. You don't jump to the conclusion if you had in the back of your mind some larger sense about how implicitly dangerous young black people were right. This is why you know that the project the book was really to take something that is very broad and vague like places him and say how is that codified in something like law enforcement mark. I'm glad well. The new book is talking to strangers what we should know about the people we don't know Malcolm. Thank you so much. Thank you Robin so there's his take on Sandra bland his thought on on a well known college rape case being at its heart an inability to read strangers coupled with alcohol is also raising eyebrows. Your thoughts is everything about speaking with strangers. Oh what a gut wrenching night of the US Open Center court turned into a boxing ring Rafael Nadal drenched in sweat his fingers covered covered in bandaids facing the newcomer Russia's Danila Medvedev punching the ball back and forth like prize fighters in a five-set nearly five hour match finally Nidal collapsed spread eagled and victorious in many of us watching hand yet recovered from the emotional day before Serena Williams failing to win her twenty twenty-fourth singles title falling to the nineteen year old Canadian Bianca Undress Q. Who seemingly came from nowhere David Walstein of the New York Times covered it all David Nidal Down Medvedev some of the best tennis you've ever seen. It was some of the most compelling tennis I've ever seen said that that at times the quality you play wasn't at its hype that was okay because they were trying so hard and the swings and that natural incredible. I mean at first I thought okay the dolls winning in three sets no problem then after Medvedev's come back up. He's GonNa win and I actually started writing in a panic manteca started writing a <hes> DeNiro Mendez upsets Rafael the doll store and then the doll breaks is served back again in the fish water yeah yeah we'll talk about Medvedev for second Nidal did win the first two sets. Do you think we actually watched this. You know newcomer who had been and the bad guy over the week he'd flipped the finger to the crowd was nasty to a ballboy to towel. He taunted the crowd. You know come on boomy. Something happened though in the middle of this. Do we watch somebody become a player. They hadn't been before well. I don't know if he became a player they are but I think what happened was people actually saw the real. Daniel Medvedev the the the sort of ornery guy that was taunting the crowd that was as an aberration. I mean he he told the fans afterwards he said you know during the surge said I was thinking about what I was going to say in my losers speech twenty minutes as you you say though he also seemed to go into a new gear of play but Nidal persevered and wept at the end when they showed video from his previous nineteen titles. This is his fourth use open. Where does this put him. Do you think oh he's GonNa Pass Federer next year. Thank you <hes> or at least catch. He's GONNA catch federal next next year. I don't think federal favored to win the Australian Open so he doesn't need the overwhelming favourite to win the French. Open and that would taught him with Federer twenty but you have to watch out for newcomers like Medvedev which I just WanNa ask you. Serena Williams is well aware of now here. We had Canada's Bianca Donka Undress Q. Beating Serena Williams. Serena didn't seem on her game. You know comment on that just briefly you know this is the fourth straight time that Serena Williams Williams since she's come back from giving birth has reached a final but then can't even win a set in those final. She's she's own Eytan eaten in sets in those final so I think nerves get the better part of her. In the in the finals it's just so intense because she's trying to catch Margaret Good Court with twenty four Grand Slam Times well and then you also had that nineteen year old really sopping Bianca and she was something Andre Ask you is on <hes> fierce fierce competitor. She's not afraid of anything. She's GonNa win a whole lot more of these David Walstein near times. Thanks so much you're welcome. Congress is back in session today. After a six-week recess house lawmakers acres will try to pass gun control measures avoid a government shutdown at the end of the month and launch more investigations into president trump. Meanwhile the White House is defending its decision to cancel cancelled secret summit between Taliban leaders and the president of Afghanistan and president trump questions are swirling in Washington and around the world about how the meeting came together gather and why it fell apart. Let's bring NPR senior political editor and correspondent Dominica Munton are in Washington High Dominica. Hi Jeremy Secretary of State Mike Pompeo told NBC's Chuck Todd yesterday yesterday on meet the press that the meeting with the Taliban was scrapped and that peace talks with the Taliban are dead for now. Let's listen is this mean. Talks are off completely so for the time being that's absolutely the case <hes> we've recalled embassador. Halil side back to Washington <hes> we've been working on this problem set for a number of months now and frankly wrinkly had made real progress with the government of National Unity President Ghani as well as the Taliban trump. I made the announcement that he was cancelling the meeting on twitter Saturday night saying he canceled after a recent. Taliban attack killed a US soldier afterward. The Taliban said the two sides had come very close to a deal. What does all this mean gene for the planned withdrawal of troops in Afghanistan. It's not clear really I mean this was supposed to be part of a deal with the Taliban. If there was going to be one or you know president trump could go on his own just like <hes>. We've seen a number of times before him kind of wavering waffle on an issue and maybe even decide to go. Oh unilaterally but you know there's a lot of the details. Here are completely unclear. It's not clear why or how this wound up getting canceled because there certainly have been a number of attacks on the Taliban and this was not even the worst of them now in terms of Congress <hes> Dominica the summer recess is over lawmakers are back on Capitol Hill all today. What are you going to be watching for specifically when it comes to possible gun control after the mass shootings we've seen while Congress has been recess. Yeah I mean of course the shutdown and avoiding avoiding one is of course you know the big piece of all of this at sort of like just being able to try to get normal business done keep the lights on in government is a bit of a Chore Nowadays. <hes> guns and impeachment are really top of the agenda and does this mean that. Democrats may go after impeachment and <hes> and will there be anything that passes on guns. Will there be anything that passes on gunned. I look into my crystal ball here and it's Fuzzy Jerem. It's fuzzy <hes> you know. The ball is in President Trump's court. Democrats are going to push for this. Senate majority leader. Mitch McConnell has said he's going to defer to president trump and there really is no indication that president trump is going to move to say even move on universal background checks something that has universal praise pretty much and support from people on in republic on the Republican side and on the Democratic side and president trump is kind of wofford waffled and wavered on this and there's no indication that he's going to actually push for this and the really the ball is in his court and it's GonNa be interesting we have a new NPR PBS Newshour Marras pull that comes out tomorrow L. Afternoon and we'll see what people think Congress should do and what they should pass when it comes to guns <hes> in terms of those investigations you talked about the the congressional committees are now looking into corruption <hes> to put pressure on Democrats who have not yet backed impeachment inquiry. What exactly are they looking at and and how much time do Democrats have left to decide if they are going to impeach united say over the next few months is really how long they've got. They don't want this to drag out into twenty twenty in the presidential election very long long just quickly. There's no longer is no longer just the special counsels Russia probe and obstruction of justice which is what Democrats had been talking about but they're also looking at these payments to women <hes> to cover up a alleged affairs reports that the president had teased pardoning people willing to seize land to build his wall and whether his businesses assist profited from government travel as NPR's Domenico Montanaro in Washington Dominica. Thanks you're so welcome well have you ever let go of a balloon and watched it float away or released a few dozen balloons for a celebration in Queen Anne's county Maryland intentional releases of non-biodegradable Helium Liam balloons are now illegal anyone who deliberately violates the ordinance can be fined up to two hundred fifty dollars at least five states already have laws restricting balloon releases but Maryland is not one of them joining me now is Queen Anne's County Commissioner Chris Corker Reno who proposed the ban in his county commissioner. Welcome thank you for having me. We'll we'll tell me about this bill that just passed <hes> there in Queens County Maryland. What does it do and why did you want to do this. So I was contacted by one of our local. Environmental Armenta groups there were balloons being found everywhere. We head on one particular farm. They were finding a balloon that released and there's a tagging that said we sent these from Ohio. Hi Oh give us a call. If you find it another form they found balloons that were released at the Indianapolis five hundred <hes> and these pose a threat not just to the environment because they're non-biodegradable but they get in the waterways and birds and other animals can get ensnared in them and they can't get free they land in farms and they can spook animals <hes> if they land farms that are not being used for livestock but just for crop rotation. <hes> farmers have to get out of their tractors. They gotta move the balloons <hes> and so they suggested adjust that well we as a county can do something we can say. We're not that allow these mass release of balloons in our county now grandma the balloons that we're finding in our county are probably released somewhere else but what we can do is we can say send out a signal that we're going to be good neighbors to our neighbors and hope that others will follow along releasing balloons off into the air when I was a kid we used that as a fundraiser at my elementary school and it looks majestic watch them going up into the air but they don't go into space they do lamb back somewhere else and and they're not biodegradable so the land in somebody else's yard now last year researchers in Virginia released a study showing that they had collected more than eleven thousand pieces pieces of balloon debris on uninhabited beaches between twenty thirteen and two thousand seventeen so obviously <hes> more examples of what you're talking about there but the executive director of the balloon loon council Lorna O'Hara told The Washington Post. It's not the product that harms the environment. It's the misuse that does that. There's a slippery slope from balloon release bands to balloon bands. What do you say that well so I. I don't think it is a slippery slope because I in our county. We're not saying you can't have balloons. <hes> I tell Oh people if you WANNA have balloons out of your kid's birthday party or you want to have them at a wedding. Get 'em time securely and dispose of them properly when you're done <hes> and we we actually specifically put into the bill that the unintentional or sort of negligent release was was not going to be punished so if you're at the carnival and your kid gets a helium balloon in they have slippery fingers and that balloon gets off in the atmosphere. Nothing's going to happen to you. Nothing's going to happen to your kid. <hes> that's not the kind of behavior that we're targeting but you do have some weddings weddings and funerals graduations where people want to release hundreds of balloons into the air and that sort of the paper that we're looking to curb what do you say to people who look at this and and see it in the same way that they see bans on plastic straws. which is Kinda the same issue that you're talking about here? which is that this plastic is not biodegradable? People often it ends up in the oceans are on beaches but president trump is out there you know giving away or selling plastic straws as a campaign <hes> tool because because there are a lot of Americans who see that and say why shouldn't I be able to have a plastic straw. I want one. What do you say to people who see this in the same category as that yeah and and people have raised that with me and I I try to explain to them. There is a distinct difference here where we're targeting different types of behavior right so people aren't releasing plastics rawls right there. You're not throwing them to WANNA purpose. There's people are being negligent about them and and the discussion as to whether or not we should have plastic Charles or another type Straw <hes> that's not something at the county level that we really get into but the balloons this is intentionally releasing it right. You're intentionally trying to put this into the environment and then it goes to somebody else's property so I look at it's more of we're looking at a more specific type of of behavior rather than the product itself. How would you enforce this because presumably you wouldn't notice the problem until long after the balloon has been released right so well <hes> I had put the idea we could get a secret drone squad out there but that was shot down. I don't think we're going to get that. <hes> the main enforcement mechanism particularly in in Queens County is the vast majority of citizens follow the law so if you have the law on the books it's GonNa be followed and that's your enforcement mechanism. Could someone go out and get a whole bunch of balloons and in the middle of field and release them and never get caught sure. We have a lot of wedding venues in our county so now that this law is there. They know that if a wedding party comes they WANNA I wanNA do <hes> a balloon release. They can say here in the county. We can't do that. Here are some other things we could do. Instead that <hes> are not harmful to the environment and then they can explain why we have this ordinance and when when we explain this to people they say oh. You know what that makes sense I hadn't I hadn't thought about that. <hes> is this going to save the world. No and we're not saying that it is but it's a little thing that we can do to curb behavior. That's unnecessary that is Chris corker. Reno who's a member of the Board of Commissioners in Queen Anne's County Maryland which just passed a ban on intentionally releasing balloons commissioner. Thank you for joining us. Thank you very much and thank you for your interest. In Queens County fracking for oil and natural gas is changing the landscape in more than a dozen states around the country transforming open space and countryside into industrial industrial zones some landowners making big money. Maybe for the first time leasing their underground mineral rights but in eastern Ohio thousands of new well L. Pads haven't been welcomed by everyone as the elegant fronts Julie Grant reports people who don't want to lease their land don't always have a choice in two thousand Rosen ten a land agent from an energy company knocked on Patrick Huckler and his wife Jean backstage door and it changed their lives. We ought to know much about Franken. He offered them one hundred thirty seven dollars. An Acre for the mineral rights under their twenty one acres in Belmont County in eastern Ohio under thirty seven dollars. I should probably the closest I ever came to excite lease at one hundred and thirty seven dollars they get one hundred calls after that and we're badgered by agents stopping by the House by two thousand fourteen they were being offered eighty five hundred hundred dollars an Acre Gene Beck says the money might have been nice but she'd heard about water and air pollution from fracking no I would have preferred to not sign a lease but still her husband was open to the idea. If the least protected the air water and dark night sky we would express our environmental concerns earns and that was never addressed. The only thing that they could offer us was money so they decided not to sign then in two thousand seventeen they got a notice from the Ohio Department of Natural Resources also known as od NPR Chesapeake Energy was seeking to unionize their property that meant the state could force the family to sign a lease allowing chesapeake to drill for gas under their property. The company declined an interview for this story. Idee Robertson is a professor of law and Environmental Studies at Cleveland State University. She's researched and written about unit in Ohio. We normally think of the rights of the landowner donor as being things like the right to decide what's done with your land or what's not done with your land but Robertson says that's not necessarily the case in Ohio Ohio. When it comes to drilling for oil and natural gas that's because the state adopted a unit law in one thousand nine hundred sixty five with requirements for the size and shape shape of land where a well can be drilled these are called units which usually range from three hundred to eleven hundred acres? Robertson says one unit can have hundreds hundreds of different landowners then you have to have the agreement of all of the landowners in order to cobble together the rights to drill. She says the problem for energy companies like Chesapeake Chesapeake and for people who want to lease their land comes when other landowners in the unit like Patrick Huckler and Jean backs say no to drilling. It's almost most like a veto a single landowner being able to veto the ability of all the surrounding land owners to drill and to make money from the oil in gas in Ohio. If a company gets sixty five percent of landowners in a unit to agree to lease their mineral rights it can use that unit as -Ation Law to force force unwilling landowners into leases since two thousand eleven oh. DNR has approved one hundred and forty four force leases or unit relations through hearings earings in Columbus like this one at this hearing energy company ascent resources is brought a geologist and engineer and a land agent to testify along with a slew of attorneys. The company Engineer Ganea testifies that a sense project is a twenty million dollar investment. He says without the unleashed tracts of land the company would lose the ability to collect so much gas ask that the project would no longer be financially viable that would be different likely would be a perfect best resources would pursue versus what we're not. The profitability of the project is the basis of whether Oh dnr issues a unit order and forces hold out landowners to lease with the company Chesapeake Energy's unit station hearings against his family. Patrick Conqueror asked the state to also consider his environmental concerns but transcripts of Hustler's blurs hearing show Odeon are told him they had no authority to consider that hey odeon are we have concerns about are not your resources. Who Can we talk to. They didn't listen to us in here but Mark Bruce Administrative Officer with Oh. DNR says the unit process allows citizens to comment mineral owners have an opportunity but her verbally verbally or in writing during the process and their comments are always considered but the state has never ruled against an energy company in a unit station hearing Bruce says that's because companies only only apply once. They've met the state requirements. The law specifically states that the division must issue an order. If the applicant meets the criteria defined by the the General Assembly Attorney Megan Hunter who represented Patrick Huckler and Jean backs says State Law has been changed numerous times in recent years to favor energy energy companies over holdout landowners. One side is really well represented and the government is often aligned with them in these administrative forums men. The citizen is left to fend for themselves last year the Ohio Department of Natural Resources did issue orders chesapeake to Unitas Hustler and boxes property but after constructing the well pad nearby the company abruptly sold all its Ohio assets leaving the couple wondering what will happen next for here and now <unk>. I'm Julie Grant and Julie Story was supported by the Fund for Investigative Journalism here now is a production of NPR and Wvu our association with the B._B._C. World Service. I'm Robin Young. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is your.

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Politics with Amy Walter: How North Carolina's Electoral Process is Unfolding

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Politics with Amy Walter: How North Carolina's Electoral Process is Unfolding

"Support for the takeaway comes from hint water. Hint is water infused with fruit essences like watermelon and blackberry no sweeteners no calories in stores are delivered direct to your door from drink hint dot com hint water with a touch of true fruit flavor. Listener supported. W NYC studios. His politics with Amy Walter on the takeaway. The bedrock of our democracy is free and fair elections. But it's not a given. It requires a lot of us the system itself is built on trust. Now, the president has been sowing seeds of distrust throughout the course of the campaign using his bully pulpit spread conspiracy theories about the integrity of absentee ballots. And it's having an impact. A recent monmouth university poll found that almost forty percent of Americans don't believe that the elections will be conducted barely inaccurately. Majority of Americans in that poll said, they think the trump campaign will try to cheat if necessary to win in November. While thirty nine percent say the same thing of the Biden campaign on top of it all of course is a pandemic. That makes going to the polls or staffing those polls a serious health risk for many. All of this has meant that state election officials are under an unprecedented level of scrutiny and pressure. and. That's why over the course of the next three weeks will virtually venture to three swing states to hear how election officials in some of the most watched states are preparing. These conversations are part of a series. We're calling every vote counts and this week brought us to North Carolina. Myself. Anita shirl. North Carolina. Hello everyone. It's great to be here at UNC Greensboro. What a great North Carolina Day North. Carolina, it's a state full of wise voters and I can truthfully say Nothing. Could be finer than to be. Carolina. Aside from Barack Obama in two thousand, eight, the state hasn't voted for a Democrat for president since Jimmy Carter in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six but polls show President Donald Trump and former vice president joe, Biden, neck, and neck. Also on the ballot is a hotly contested Senate race that could determine control of that body and voting is already underway on September fourth. The state began sending out mail in ballots I sat down with David Sir Kosta Chair of the North Carolina State Board of elections. Find out how it's going. Now unlike many states, North Carolina's election process is overseen not by a secretary of state but by a board of five, I started out by asking him how the board with three Democrats and two Republicans actually functions on the board of elections. There's five of us and not one of US think of ourselves primarily partisans. The Republicans aren't there to look out for Republican votes and I'm not there to look after democratic votes. We do a good job of making sure that all votes count we're we're the plumbers of. Democracy all we're trying to do is make sure that our pipe flow that everybody can get to their polling place or vote by mail or early in do it in a way that makes sure that their vote counts. So there's a partisan played to be made by others, but on the board itself, it's very, very nonpartisan in fact, one of the Republican. Members and I we co authored an op Ed right when the pandemic began about voting in the pandemic and how we all need to work together to make it happen. So if we have a very, very close election in North Carolina, you expect no matter what that this process is going to be carried out in. As open transparent and nonpartisan way. Possible even if you see, for example, the president way in or other political figures way in Talk about the pressure that you may feel your your colleagues may feel. The pressure. Really I mean obviously partisan actors are going to do what partisan actors do. Our job isn't to decide who north. Carolinians vote for our job is to just make sure your vote counts in. That's our North Star at the board of elections. So I don't see any pressure and I don't see any opportunity for that pressure to have any effect on what we do. It's it's boring in most years obviously, there's a lot more attention being paid to voting into voting in North Carolina this year, but but the job remains the same and that's just to make sure that we get it done. Right? It's not glamorous sometimes, it's exceedingly. But that tediousness is for reasons so that we can make sure that we get to count actor. Let's look at your preparedness for the fall. We know that there's a record number of absentee ballot applications requests that have come in talk us about. The preparedness at the local level and what this would mean from small town versus a big urban center and everything in between. We Kinda got lucky in twenty twenty. This was the first year in which we conducted our primary election during Super Tuesday. So the actual first case of covid nineteen was on primary election day here in Wake County So our our big election in the spring didn't that didn't happen before the pandemic. Had, a smaller congressional, primary second primary. So we got a little bit of a taste of what we would need to do to make sure that our election here in the falls going to operate. Well, here's the good news. Election administrators don't just work one or two days a year they're at at three, sixty five and lately it's been twenty, four seven. We learned a lot from other states we've been on top of all the processes that we need to make sure that it goes smoothly and we've had some built in advantages that were in our law well before covid nineteen. So a good example of that is how we Prepare your absentee vote by mail in order for it to be counted. First things. First, we were the first state in the Union to start sending those out. We started on September fourth, and we're very proud that almost seven hundred thousand haven't checked today absentee ballot requests went to us and we're getting those out as we speak. Not only do we have the opportunity to get out early those ballots out early but when they come back, we can do everything but the tabulation in the weeks leading up to the election. So a group of bipartisan board of Electors Review each ballot, the envelope in the container, and make sure that it's sufficient in secure, and then we do everything except tabulate those. So come election day, we'll be ready to go with all of our tabulation work and we'll be able to get many of. Our results out right there November, third for all the people who voted absentee by mail all the people who voted early and then as election-night rules on after the polls, close will start tabulating those votes as well. Well, I'm so glad you walked us through that because that was one many questions that we got from your state was when will vote by mail be counted. So what it sounds like you're saying is you can get the process all set up, make sure that all the absentee ballots are. Valid and then the day of the election. Starting. At. What time can they actually start saying Okay Adam up? So we don't tabulate until the polls close in the reason we don't do that as we don't want anybody to know beforehand what the results might be going into election day. But we can do everything beforehand ready to go. So as you said, we can review the absentee ballot. It's called the absentee ballot container, which is the envelope in which your ballot comes in. Make sure that's ready to go. We can get the ballot ready scam it get it in the tabulation machine, and then on election day every ballot that came to us before election day we will tabulate right. Then when the polls close there'll be some late breaking ballots people who the. Mail their absentee vote by mail in late. We will count those. So long as they're postmarked by Election Day, we'll count them up to three days after election day. So we'll get all of those those done, and then any balance there was any question on needed to go through a curative process will count those as well. But the overwhelming majority of our ballots will be counted on election day and into before sunrise if you will on on Wednesday morning, we'll have. Done that's not the case everywhere, and we're very proud of that here in North Carolina. You make a really good point though it needs to be postmarked by election day. We know there's been a lot of back and forth about the role of the postal service in this election if the is really really close, will you know how many ballots you expect to still come in? After Election Day. All certainly have a rough idea because you have to request your absentee ballot and we'll know how many outstanding requests there are. Some of those people might have chosen to go vote on election day you're allowed to request an absentee ballot and so long as you don't try and vote ballot, you can go in and vote in person, and so we'll have a rough idea of how many outstanding ballots there will be. It's really important for people to understand that our job is to get it fast. Our job is to get it right and we're GONNA do everything. We can to move as quickly as we can. But this is the middle of pandemic. We are anticipating a huge surge in the number of voters who choose to vote absentee by mail and those take more time to process. So we're GONNA ask the public for some patients and we're GONNA ask that everybody just sit tight and take a breath I think here in in twenty twenty a little bit of everybody just Kinda relaxing a bit is probably a good idea for all sorts of reasons. And we'll get done. It will get through it and we'll get through it together. Do you have an expectation for what percent of the vote you think is going to come early absentee versus in person internally we've been looking at. Anywhere between twenty and forty percent of North Carolina voters choosing to use their vote absentee by mail. We also have had a good history in the last decade or two of early voting and a lot of voters using the roughly two week period from October Fifteenth Talk Tober thirty I to to vote early so. There's a good chance that. North of seventy percent of our voters will have cast their ballot before November third. Well. So. Let's talk about that in person process Obviously what we saw during the primaries where a lot of. Places that normally had been open. For. Voting were closed either because they didn't have the poll workers to staff them or because they were in places that quite frankly weren't safe. During a pandemic senior centers schools, etc. What is the in person situation going to look like in? North Carolina at this moment and do you think you're going to get the number of poll workers and the number of polling places that you need? Well? On both fronts. I'm optimistic about poll workers for two reasons one in a bipartisan fashion. The General Assembly passed a bill that let's pull workers be from in the county in which they're registered, not simply the precinct which registered. So that will give us a little bit more flexibility in how we staffed polling places. We have over twenty five, hundred election day polling places as well as almost five hundred early voting, a places to vote, and that's a lot of stacking that we need to do. We're anticipating a need for nearly thirty thousand election workers in order to achieve the election. The reason I'm optimistic that will get those thirty thousand election workers as we've seen North Carolinians step up. We ran something called a democracy heroes campaign said not all heroes wear capes some work on elections and what we did at the state level is we opened a portal that let anybody. Know their interest, and then we're sending those interests forms to the county so they can use that in there already. Staffing preparations we've had seventeen thousand North Carolinians. Fill out an interest form that's on top of all the work that the counties are doing. I'm an election nerd I've been around this work for a long time and it nothing warms my heart more to see that people are taking the real interest in making sure that their friends and neighbors can vote and vote in voted away that's convenient and safe and accessible, and so I am optimistic that we're going to have our polling places fully operational and that we're going to have everybody step up. To do that work so that people can vote quickly on election day and during the early voting process and frankly during the mail in process, which also takes a fair amount of staff North Carolina and voting as you very well know been in the news recently thinks some comments. The president recently made encouraging voters to vote by mail and then go in person to make sure that that ballot was actually counted. Can you talk about that for a minute about what that would look like? Certainly. The first thing I'll say is in regards to the president's comments we sent out a statement earlier on that specific incident but generally speaking what I wanna talk about is the notion of double voting. If you. Attempt to vote twice fraudulently in North Carolina that's a felony in you will go to jail. And believe me we know how to catch you. If you're trying to simply verify your vote, you're doing a disservice for a couple reasons. First of all, we give you plenty of options to verify your absentee vote by mail. You can do it without leaving the comfort of your own home. You can do it online. You can call Your County Board of elections you can send an email and we can certainly verify whether or not. Your vote has been received in tabulated. Secondly, when you go to the polling place having already voted what you're doing is you're taking the spot of somebody else who hasn't voted in that line in you're gonNA, make it more challenging for your friends and your neighbors and other people knew who need to do their civic duty and that that's discouraging for lotteries and so I will say the everybody one if you intend to defraud us. You will go to jail to there are plenty of ways to make sure that your vote counts in three. Make sure your neighbors have the opportunity to vote as well. David I have to say that the number three is the thing that I kept thinking about is what happens. When two hundred people show up at seven thirty in the morning at the local polling place all asking these poll workers to double check and make sure that their vote was cast. Meanwhile, there's a long line out the door if people who still are waiting to vote in this creates gums up the whole works is that what you're thinking as well I'm concerned about that I want to. Assure, everybody that if you vote absentee vote by mail up, we're going to count your vote. What I will suggest to all voters. Is Make a plan. and. Make your plan as early as possible. So if you choose to absentee vote by mail request your ballot Arlen and get your ballot back in as soon as you ready. If you're going to early vote, we've got a seventeen day period in which to do it. Typically, the first day is really busy and then the next ten, there's plenty of room, and then it gets busier and busier as as the last few days approach. So if you're going to early vote. Do that early and if you're going to vote on election day, I would suggest you do that as early as you can you know making a plan and having contingencies. So if the babysitter doesn't show or something comes up at work, you've already done your civic duty I. Think it's just smart planning on everybody's part, and I hope voters will do that when it comes to how they choose to. But let me ask you this question if we got one of these from. A listener. I, think it was a listener from Raleigh who was saying, what if? I do request ballot, and it hasn't come like how how nervous should I be that I haven't gotten my ballot yet it should be a week. Should it be? Days. What's what's the process in which you would say to a voter? You know what? Cash that's that you should definitely would say one give us a little bit of time especially in these early days. But if you don't hear from us the middle of this month than certainly check in with us and see what's going on I would say to you if it's tour towards the end and it's crunch time and you're still waiting for a absentee requests ballot, you still have options during the early voting period. And during the election day I know people have some concerns about Kobe nineteen in in being safe? Let me tell you going to vote is going to be safer than a trip to Walgreens we have secured enough P for all of our election workers as well as our voters We're doing a social distancing where keeping people space and we're moving through relatively quick. So we don't anticipate you being indoors all that long so. There's plenty of ways to do this, and if you don't hear from us on your absentee vote by mail request to give us a little bit of time, and if you're still concerned, you still have other options here in North Carolina. Are. You getting those same kind of questions I'm curious in it's not just the president's remarks but. The issue of absentee ballot and early vote and safety being talked about constantly. What are the sorts of questions that you all are fielding at your office from from North Carolinians one of the thing that we election nerds election administrators have to remember is that while we live and breathe this stuff every day most north, Carolinians don't think about the election process all that often. So it's understandable that there are lot of questions. People really are trying to figure out what's going on I will say that, yes, we're getting a lot of the questions that you've asked and I'd say the one of the most important things you can do when you're seeking answers about your election process is go to trusted sources of information. So obviously us at the North Carolina State Mortem Elections B. E. DOT GOV is our website. We'd completely revamped it to make it more friendly. There's a trusted source of information go to to new sources that you have trusted for some time in check a couple of different news sources in case somebody. Got It. Wrong. The fact of the matter is it's a lot of information. The process is very demanding. If you're not familiar with it, and so what you WanNa do is make sure that we make it easy for you. In the way we make it easy for you is by sharing as much information about it as. Beforehand, and being as transparent as we go ahead and count the votes, how worried are you speaking of trusted sources of information that they're either through nefarious means this could be. Russians or other foreign. Governments. or through just you know the kinds of conspiracies that start out as US facebook post, and then somehow make their way through the viral process. that that really is making what you do so much harder and that some of these conspiracy theories or whether again whether they were placed there intentionally or not are going to deter. People from voting or impact. How people vote? Over the last couple of years you mentioned a Russian interference. There's been rumors going around somehow the voting apparatus or the machines are not secure and I can one hundred percent guarantee you that the hacking of elections will not happen because somebody's able to hack our machines in North Carolina everybody will have a paper ballot in whether or not you mark that paper ballot with a stylus or using a ballot marking device, and we spit out a ballot for you that you can review. Everybody's got a paper ballot so we can go back and audit these things if we need to. The machines themselves are not hackel what is tackle. Is. The mind of the voter and that's what the Russians did in two thousand sixteen and that's what nefarious folks will try and do again. The thing you can do to protect protect yourself from being hacked is being very, very intentional about where you get your information I want to cast aspersions on social media, accounts and social media feeds of one at the State Board of elections but the best sources of information are going straight to the source itself or two trusted a longstanding news organizations. The news organizations that have been in business for a long time have a reputation and a history of creating journalism verifying facts making sure what they're saying is true. And then we at the board of Elections a are only job is to make sure that you understand how to cast your ballot so. If. We're trying to prevent hacking. We need to worry less about the machines in which are used to conduct voting in more about people who are trying to spread misinformation, and in the best way we can inoculate ourselves against that type of hacking is to not trust anyone source of information and to make sure that we do our homework in who's talking to us. And how much work Damon are you doing yourself to knock down any of these rumors that start I mean, for example, I saw the Ohio Secretary of state on his twitter feed. He actually broke down what he saw on facebook as this conspiracy that was floating around that. Apparently you all send out different balanced different people can track who they're voting for. Right. You think it's a secret ballot. These letters here it means. They know you voted for a Democrat or Republican, and then someone can throw your ballot out. What I worry about too is people walking around the weeks leading up to early vote and Election Day with their. iphones their you know hand-held phones and and taking. Either photographs or videos of things that they think are nefarious whether that's with the postal office worker somebody they say is illegally harvesting ballots. How much work is the North Carolina Board of elections going to do to push back on every one of these at least the ones that make it into the social media at a at a pretty high level. Lot of people are watching it. Can say speaking of bipartisan bipartisanship I. Don't know the Ohio Secretary of state but I saw on meet the press he was on with our executive director last week, and he's doing an excellent job of pushing back against some of those nefarious misinformation campaigns here at the North Carolina, State Board of elections. We have the same job which is to push back in be speaking constantly to folks like you. We have a social media feed we've got a wonderful public information office. That pushes out as much as we can. It's it's incumbent upon us as election administrators to let the world know about what we're doing and let them see I mean every time we have an opportunity to show you exactly how we do this process of it's an opportunity for for you to see the job will be secure your vote will count, and so it's hard in a fractured media environment as we've had here for the last fifteen, twenty years, it's even more challenging. But it's it's a big part of our job and we take it seriously. Are I want to thank you so much for taking all of this time. Walking us through this process is really helpful. Thank you. For most of the last forty years North Carolina had been a rather reliable republican state. But since two thousand eight, the state has become much more competitive. Barack Obama. Nearly one here by less than point in two thousand, eight Mitt Romney. Carried the state by just two points trump. Won It. I just three? This state is big and diverse. It has fast growing urban centers like Charlotte in the research triangle, but it also has huge rural stretches as well. And reaching voters here is incredibly expensive because there's not just one may media market that encompasses the majority of voters. To understand a bit more about the political dynamics at play. In North Carolina, I spoke to Rusty Jacobs Politics Reporter W UNC North Carolina Public Radio and Michael Blitzer professor of Political Science Akaba College I asked Michael. If it's an influx of voters to the state that has made North Carolina more competitive, it is certainly in migration we are seeing more and more people registering. UNAFFILIATED that does not mean that they are independent or nonpartisan, but they are just choosing to go unaffiliated in the state because they want to have options. Particularly when it comes to party primaries, unaffiliated voters can vote in either one I would also add that there is a geographic in a generational dynamic that is playing out really that mirrors kind of the national dynamics I think. What we're seeing geographically, it's urban versus rural but in the suburbs of North Carolina, you have to kind of think about suburbs that are inside urban counties versus the excerpts, the surrounding suburban counties two very different dynamics playing out. There's also the generational component. There's thirty seven percent of our seven million registered voters are under the age of forty and so millennials, and now jen's ears. Are really going to reshape this stay and I think if they play true to the national. Dynamics week ago from center leaned right to center lean left in terms of north. Carolina politics moving forward rusty I. Want to get to you talk to us a little bit about the political environment right now in North Carolina when we look at national polls, it's the economy it's Cova did. A lot of issues surrounding, policing, and racial. Reconciliation. What is going on in north? Carolina. What do you think are the driving issues in? How do you see it playing out? Across the state that as Michael pointed out is so big and so diverse. Lot. Of those same things are happening. A lot of those discussions are happening just in the past few months I and my colleagues here at w UNC have covered protests really if you go towards the beginning of the pandemic public health restrictions that were imposed, there were gatherings outside the legislature by people who wanted to see some of those restrictions lifted and some of the economy opened the reopen a pro protests that you saw here in another states, but then after the killing of George Floyd Even bigger were widespread protests definitely with more diverse crowds with younger crowds and those protests continue. I would say if just comparing numbers. And and. You know broad array of citizenry the. Reopen demonstrations Kinda pale in comparison to the size and the volume of the demonstrations that have followed that ensued after. George Ford's killing. So in that respect, you've got this you know you've got the police chief of the demand for police reforms on the one hand and you've got You still got a loyal probably Republican electorate that wants to. See some of those restrictions lifted in easing or a in helping the economy get restarted, and you'll see that in the governor's race Dan Forest, who's the current Lieutenant Governor Challenging incumbent Roy Cooper is hoping that will help propel him. So you see in the governor's race certainly reflection of that debate economy versus continued public health restrictions and then of course. You know you've got a new A. New. Developments in the new cycle. That trump appointee leading the United States Postal Service has suddenly has his contributions going back a decade under scrutiny, and all of that is going to start factoring in the way people are are looking, and then one thing I'll I'll. Is that as Demonstra Kosta noted and is Michael Bitter will confirm some votes already being cast Wednesday it'd be cast are being based on the landscape now, not on whatever may happen in the next fifty days or so much. Yeah. I can't wait to get into that I wanted though follow up on your point about governor where Cooper who's up for reelection. His the lieutenant governor is a Republican right they run separately, which is how you can have a Democrat and a Republican as Governor Lieutenant. Governor. But my understanding was ray cooper especially in the beginning stages of the pandemic was enjoying some pretty good job approval ratings were right he was getting the public was supporting what he was doing how he handled the pandemic. Now that we're into September has that job approval that especially on that issue started to slip overall his policy in his approach and his steering of the State through this pandemic is is still supported by a majority of people that would be pulled. Ilan University, and Meredith College in Raleigh did polls recently and those indicated there were indications that. The not the plurality were not the majority of plurality of voter of registered voters expected voters do support a governor Cooper's decisions even though they council restraint and it's still there are still challenges to the economic. The economic commute or the business community that he does not seem to be damaged by those positions right and that they told debate back and forth between the president in the RNC and the governor over holding the Convention in Charlotte that doesn't seem to have hurt. The governor either does it would seem that Cooper is. Are. Viewed by. Critical number of voters it majority or plurality of voters in north. Carolina that he's making decisions based on what is best for the public not as what is best for him politically even though it may be getting cast that way by his opponents I'll know too that the cooper, the campaign hoover, the candidate, not the governor is trying to draw a lot of attention to the. Fact. That Lieutenant Governor Orest his challenger is holding in person donation into in-person campaign events despite the fact that those may present helpless Michael Let's get to the point that rescue brought up in that we talked a lot about with David Cer- Kosta about absentee ballot requests. You are following this more closely than certainly I think anyone in the country you send out wonderful gifts every day. Telling just what to expect from the upcoming trunch of absentee ballot requests. So here we are. It's September. What can you tell us about the voters who've been requesting the absentee ballots if you can break it down into the kinds of people? And the parts of the state. That requesting these ballots? Well. Typically for those folks who don't know much about care allina. A in two thousand, sixteen less than five percent of all the ballots cast came from absentee by mail in typically that vote method tends to be more Republican than the electorate as a whole. What we are seeing now is. Basically, ten percent of the seven million registered voters in the state have requested in absentee by mail ballot. That's seven, hundred, thousand, four years ago this same day the total number of ballots requested was a little over forty thousand. So basically, we are talking about sixteen times. What we saw this time for years ago we've already tripled the number of ballots that were returned. And accepted from twenty sixteen, and if we continue on this pace by the end of September, it looks like we could reach one point, seven million requests, which is a quarter of all the registered voters in this state. Now, the the breakdowns in terms of registration is really interesting because it is overwhelmingly coming from registered Democrats they are over a majority of all the requests. Registered unaffiliated or almost a third and registered Republicans that typically tended to dominate or only sixteen percent of all the requests. So something obviously is driving all of this. This is probably Cova infecting partisanship to a level that I haven't seen and I don't think. In North Carolina politics has seen this level of interest in terms of having a ballot in your hand. In case, something happens over the next two months how this plays out I'm not really sure the request are actually quite representative of the electorate religiously it skews older which is traditional, but it also very much skews to urban counties in particularly some congressional districts that are very competitive most notably the eleventh congressional district, Mark Meadows old district, which is now in open. Sea in the mountains of North, Carolina to rest his point, the I wondering if you can tell us what you think about how many of those ballots actually get returned in other words he made the point that well, if you were in the middle of this news cycle here in early September but in October, maybe something else happened that none of us can even assume Do you think that really does impact then the final outcome that people are going to? Be Voting at different times, and if Democrats have more of these absentee ballots in hand that it could. Benefit Democrats. You know I think in this environment anything goes and I think the the number of ballots that we will receive see returned this week remember just went out Friday I got my absentee by mail ballot. Today we have a federal holiday no mail came through. So I received my ballot today I think people who are returning in these first couple of weeks or the die hard power distance their minds are made up they're not going. To change their votes in. So the likelihood is we will get a flood of returns coming in the question is as I. Tell my students read the syllabus read the instructions you have to sign the back of the ballot envelope. You have to have a witness who also has to provide information and sign as well. If you don't do those things, the counties have the option. Of sending you an affidavit to attest to it or they will send you a second ballot saying your first ballot was invalid for these reasons make sure to do this read the instructions and then resubmit in two thousand sixteen. We saw about eighty seven percent of all the ballots requested return anaccepted granted also that some folks decided to vote in person that will automatically void the. Absentee by mail ballot. So there's no issues a Damon talked about of double voting, North Carolina because their records or so well kept, and I would also say in this state, the records are transparent. We know what's going on for those of us who studied this kind of dynamic one question Michael I'm going to start with you and then rusty I'm GonNa ask you about this. From Youtube. from Mary Cleanse who asked to talk about how the virus could be impacting student turnout specifically, college didn't turn out now that many are at home rusty obviously is in Chapel Hill, which has a lot of college students, of course. Michael. Blitzer, you're on a college campus. What do you think? I think certainly, a lot of students utilize absentee by mail voting they may be living outside of their hometown. They're attic college campus, they want that can. Be sent a ballot to their dorm. Often Times. What happens if if a college has closed down or they have to go back home, they will simply cancel that request void that request and then requested another one. They could also show up to vote in person as well. I, think for a lot of North Carolina voters who are probably requesting these ballots they can request the ballot and then return it in person to either early voting site or to their county. Board of elections. So as Damon noted, there's a lot of flexibility, but certainly, college students are a key, a group that is oftentimes targeted by grassroots mobilizing efforts, and if they're not on campus that really kind of loses the the punt shore, the impact trying to get them out to the polls we'll just kind of have to see how this all plays out in the data's we get over the next couple of weeks in two months I see what's going on. Chapel Hill Duke. Those schools obviously, that's a lot of students. What's the situation on the in person situation right now? Tumultuous I mean this. Is a great test case. They were one or two weeks into a semester where students were supposed to end actually attending class online and suddenly cases of Kobe's popped up and the school reversed course, and so those students aren't exactly the kind of situation you're conjuring with your question. You know if they had absentee ballot requests in and we're expecting to get them on campus, and now they're going back home. What can they do I? mean the best thing to do if anybody has a question is, of course, Chow Tat, contact the State Board of elections or their county. Elections Office or go online and issue another request but but you know it cannot be. Emphasized enough that once you have your ballot and that absentee ballots by hand, you don't have to mail it in. If you go in person to your county board of elections, go to an early voting site during that seventeen days or so of early voting but it's you know I it. There are the situation is complicated by the fact that you have an institution as big. As UNC had to reverse course and students had a group themselves and go back home because of the outbreak of Kobe's on campus right and I assume if you're a campaign that was planning on earlier this year targeting college campuses saying we're GONNA get on campus as soon as students are back in organize and get them registered to vote and turn them out for our candidate. Now what can they do? But my guess is they'll be a lot of phone banking and there will be a of cleanup by those groups I. Don't think any effort will be spared to make sure you know by organizations that Wanna see as many people load as possible. The question is just where do you reach them? Do you get the message time? My guess is, yes I mean again north. Carolina started sending up about sixty days ahead I mean the other states I think won't start for another two weeks or so forty five days out. So North Carolina has given itself a lot of breathing. Michael I want to get to this question too as the absentee ballot requests start turning into absentee ballots actually turned in what will that tell us if anything about the potential outcome in North Carolina. More, importantly, what can it not tell us? Well. I can't tell us until after seven thirty on November third right. You know those of us that watched the website for the State Board of elections are hitting refresh at seven thirty a one. To See, win these numbers get dumped, and oftentimes these early votes both the male and the in person early votes are the first numbers reported. We get a sense of how things are going in the sheer numbers but North Carolina has a unique dynamic in that in the past absentee by mail tended to favor Republicans. In person early voting tended to favor. Democrats. But then you switch back to Republicans on Election Day, and that's oftentimes what causes. This very competitive nature is that leads can be built up through these early votes, but then they get whittled down to competitiveness once the election day numbers come in certainly the dynamic of knowing is casting an absentee by mail vote get. The data we get the individualized information on these voters once they're accepted that gives us a little bit of a hint but I I'm you know it's twenty twenty? I'm not making any predictions whatsoever about what could happen over the next two months just based on numbers in the patterns playing themselves out here right. So don't read too much into this again if if indeed. Sets all seven hundred, thousand people turn those ballots in and they happen to be. More Democrats than Republicans at least by registration don't assume that means. Oh. Democrats. Are GonNa win the state exactly because we know from a lot of polling both nationally and starting here in north. Carolina. Democrats are preferring to vote by mail in Republicans are preferring to vote in person in. So that dynamic is really one to be careful in terms of trying to read the tea leaves. Rusty one other race I wanNA talk to you about because it's getting a whole lot of attention certainly here in Washington. That's a Senate race where Republican Thom Tillis freshman is in what looks like a by the polls very, very close race against Democrat cal Cunningham. Wonder if you can tell us. What your sense of were that races and whether you think that the fortunes of those candidates are tied to how well the top of the ticket does. So you're cal Cunningham, you need bite into win if you're Tillis, early need trump to win. Is. Certainly needs trump. And and needs need big turnout because he's tied his fate so closely. To trump and. You know she right now maybe beginning. Would say pulled under but snagged in the world pool of news. Again. Indications are from campaign finance records that Lewis. Joy. When he was running this company new breed and having some employees whether they were being coerced or not contribute to campaigns. Tom Tells was one of the recipients of money. That doesn't necessarily say anything bad about him, but it's going to require him to pay attention to that cal Cunningham is running a mainstream. Middle of the road democratic campaign very much like Joe Biden he's doesn't support of defunding the police. He supports reform he supports a public option with the ACA she's not making rat. He's not making radical pitches in terms of policy of he's running a very straight and middle of the road campaign and for him there's nothing much more to do than that. Right now, a lot of the work is being done for him by these new developments, a about campaign finance, and the fact that even Thom Tillis didn't wear masks at one of the aren't see eventually. Events when president trump spoke from from the White House. So again. You know the. For Cal Cunningham it's probably Stay keep cool and keep pushing very mainstream. Policies, and for for Tom, tell us it's playing a little defense. While while trying to hope again, as as bids said, ninety, five percent of the North Carolina Electric is probably decided I mean I've spoken to the most experienced political campaign consultants to out there and they'll tell you what it's coming down to his ten or twelve percent very small sliver of the people who call themselves on affiliate right and that's why I'm wondering if We're we're going to see the president come down there this week. I'm assuming at some point, Joe Biden's going to be coming down and how important do you think then the actual physical act of campaigning something that for the last few months Has Been Put on hiatus? It coming back is going to matter. Do you think? I. I'm surely speculating. If I. Guess if again, the candidates are trying to swing that lasts sliver of voters. HERB president trump to visit North Carolina and malign. A lot of people is probably not the best thing because the people who agree with him or already going to vote for him the people who are offended or put off by that that they're the ones who might walk away saying that he doesn't get now. Maybe Joe Biden doesn't get the person the vote from the person who doesn't vote for trump maybe that's just a a protest non-boat riding. Protest. no-show vote and for Joe Biden I think an appearance if again he doesn't get drawn into just or personal attack probably helps it. Again, for the few people who are undecided WanNa see him as close as possible right? Well, Rusty Jacobs Michael Bedser. This has been great. Thank you so much for taking this time with me. Appreciate it. Rusty Jacobs is a political reporter W. UNC. North. Carolina Public Radio Michael Blitzer is a professor of political science at Catava. College. And be sure to join US next Tuesday, September fifteenth for every vote counts Arizona. The event will be live streamed on our facebook page starting at six. PM Eastern. Many Credit Barack Obama's win in North Carolina in two thousand to strong turnout from African American voters. Exit polls that year showed African Americans making up almost a quarter of the electorate in North Carolina and they gave Obama five percent of the vote. But in two thousand, sixteen African Americans made up just twenty percent of the vote. And supported Clinton by a smaller eighty-one percent. To understand the role black voters will play in this key state and get a little context regarding what Democrats would need to do to win. We checked in with Kerry Haney a professor of political science and African and African American studies at Duke. University actually, think Democrats have a chance to win. Now in order to do so they need to have high black voter turnout. And they need to have in terms of two thousand and twelve where we saw record black turnout in North Carolina in election just over standing percent registered black voters turned out to vote for President Obama's re election. Now. In Two thousand sixteen we saw a decline in black voter turnout in North Carolina drop to get the thus far debate and Harris ticket has been using D. traditional means of mobilizing the black boat and ideas using churches and religious organizations. However, I expect in the coming weeks, we'll see a significant effort directed at historically black colleges and universities. North, Carolina has a large number of those and some of the Harris. Is. Proud alum of how university a historically black university and I suspect that connection we play well in. North Carolina is reached out to congresswoman Adams. She represents North Carolina's Twelfth Congressional district which includes Charlotte. I spoke with her about the role she'll play and turning out key voting blocs and how her constituents have fared throughout the pandemic. We've had businesses the close they are needing support not only for themselves and their families of also need a greatest support for schools and for our citizens city and county. So, people are weathering this storm, but it's been very difficult. It has been very difficult. We had a large number of of people of color to be infected by. Virus many of whom have died from the virus was we had issues from the outset in times of disparities already insists in in communities collar. Well I want to move to politics for a minute and I was. Reading a piece in the Charlotte Observer that. Said, you are quote expected to take a leading role in boosting turnout by urging early voting and you were taking a caravan of supporters to show up. Mecklenburg County Board of elections to turn in your absentee votes. Can you talk to us about what that means to be? Urging early vote turnout and how you're doing that and what you expect to be able to achieve. First of all, we expect to. achieve a large turn out here. Mecklenburg is I said before we have a large number of voters if you look at. What has happened with our early vote requests for absentee ballots. It is in my district we're looking at more than eighty thousand people who have requested. Absentee ballots and that suggests to me that people are very interested in this election. They believe that it is an election that will really determine the rest of their lives and I'm impressing upon people how important it is to vote early especially since we having issues with the mail service, can you talk to us a little bit about African American voters and their interest in this election and specifically their enthusiasm for this election what we've been hearing in different communities talking to different folks around the country is sort of a lack of enthusiasm for Biden but certainly an. Interest in seeing trump defeated I have not heard to any significant degree that African, Americans skeptical about by they're very excited about the possibilities that he brings to build back better So I think people are very excited about this election, and so I haven't heard that I would add is that we must get out to vote people are too afraid at this point not to vote an African Americans in particular because the president asked the question, what do you have to lose? We have a lot to lose and looking at these past four years with his president. People are just afraid of having more that for another four years We are very African American. Very excited. We also know that that they are this president is not truthful. I've been out here for a long time and I can tell you that from personal experience that the president has not been honest when he says that he's done more for Black America since president. Abraham Lincoln as a black woman who've been out here working I can say the biggest lies ever told I. Don't know if you watch much of the Republican convention. But if you did didn't one thing that we heard a lot about during that convention was support that the president was getting not just from African Americans but he featured a lot of African American men and the. Trump campaign does believe that they're going to be able to win over more African, American support in two thousand and twenty in part by winning. Doing better this year with African American, curious what you're seeing and hearing in North Carolina basketball. Well, I can tell you that. African American women. are going to carry this note. We. Have always done that and I think that the men are a little bit confused but you know you can always find a few I knew some of the WHO were. Who spoke at that convention? We've turned out for our Party. We've been the backbone of this party. We have been the ones who have sealed elections for many candidates who were maybe in a losing streak. So I, I, just believe the power of black women and the fact that we know what's at stake we're not to convince our men then when you look at it bill list. The president has not done anything even for the African American men and women. Now, we also know that he continues to Mayes I said before about what he's done community and I wanna just specifically mention the investment that he continues to say he's made in Hvac. See US he has not. He talks about the bills that we've passed in the Congress but those were bills that came through the Congress Future, act in specific that provide the kind of support for historically black colleges and universities which I have. A bipartisan caucus was not something that the president even pushed well congresswoman atoms I really appreciate you taking the time to speak with me please stay safe out there on the campaign trail. What thank you and I'm going to do that and. As. I said before you just watch as my Mama used to say you know Mark My word we want to turn the mother out in North Carolina. Adams represents North Carolina's Twelfth Congressional district. It's that time of year went summer fades to fall breath and under normal circumstances this would also be the time of year when candidates fluffed a battleground states political allies stump for them on the other side of the country. But nothing is as it was. So. As part of our continuing conversation about how the pandemic has changed how campaigns interact with voters. Checked. In with chase gates, he's a junior at North Carolina state and also the. Director for the North Carolina Gop the start of the pandemic we were doing all phone banking operations of virtually so that we could, you know prevent people from getting sick at the because when the start of the pandemic. We didn't have the personal protective equipment that was necessary to go out knock on doors. Now, that were able to get mask gig gloves were able to fall CDC recommendations and be able to door knocking canvas like we used to but you know with obvious new restrictions. So what kind of response do you get as you go to somebody's door? You know the I, think there were some expectations that you'd go to the front door and people would look at you like you're. Right. I would actually say it's very similar to what it was before a pre pandemic I mean people I? Think people see the after we go to to make them feel comfortable stepping six feet back wearing the mask wearing gloves it really shows through So no I I think people you know they'll give honest reaction. If if they liked the president, they're happy to see us if they don't like the president third low tech, the material usually read it over. So that's always a comforting thing. Yeah, and there's just a lot of enthusiasm surrounding the president this year I think one thing that's really got people's you know he's been here in North Carolina three times in the past three weeks. Sally we haven't seen Joe Biden in the last six months, Air North Carolina. So when you're talking to folks about trump, what what are the things that they cite specifically that there's The. Most excited about. I think they just love the way able to speak I mean the way he's able to speak directly voters kind of touch with their issues. The law and order aspect is so big in North Carolina I mean Santa's to say we've seen a lot of riding in the streets in the last couple of months and people want to see. Our country return back to normal where we're able to talk to each other conversation without you know fighting without being mad home Melissa people in law enforcement. So do you think that's what's changed? Let's say between I duNno earlier this spring and and now is the issue of some of the violence that we're seeing around the country. I it's just a mix of things I. Mean. There is a lot of turmoil going on with with the pandemic of course, and you know. With these protests recently I don't think I. Think Republicans. Especially I think we've been happy to see a peaceful protesting is just when things get out of place it's it starts to scare people really does I mean when they see I'll give you one example or local CVS that I used to buy weekly was burnt down. In Raleigh North Carolina. Obviously. North Carolina is in the news a lot and one of the reasons it's in the news it's one of the first states to. Mail out absentee ballots, and there's a lot of talk about the fact that so many absentee requests have already been submitted but many more of those requests are Democratic voters or at least people who are registered threats. So, are you concerned that Democrats may be putting more votes in the bank right now and that Republicans are sort of seating this. Kind of early vote to the Democratic Party counting too much on election day turnout. Right right now being sample in Chatham County where I'm from North Carolina I think it's doubled the absentee ballot requests doubled in just one county That's pretty astonishing but now I think we're making up ground. Has Been in the last few weeks we've. the trump campaign and a few other people have kind of asked people to request your ballot go ahead and do that I do think you'll have more Republicans voting at one site locations and going election night. I shouldn't have to do it. They like the the the feeling of voting on election day and seeing the results that night but I I will say in the past we've Republicans. Have One naps and team workouts North Carolina. So it's GonNa be interesting and I know there's still a lot of people North Carolina vote for the Republican candidate but are registered Democrats I think there's a I, know a burst probably about five in my family alone that do that same thing. So it's a, it's an interesting state and it's going to be interesting election. But I think we're making up ground we need to I think the the latest CNBC poll has president in the margin of error I mean that's in a way better than we were a couple of weeks ago. It seems as if nationally and in. North. Carolina. Republicans are doing much more hands on grassroots like you door to door canvassing type very few Democrats are doing this sort of operation they would be in the normal year. Kovin. Right. Do. You think that's a mistake I mean do you think that Democrats are missing an opportunity here and that they should be even doing maybe as you are doing wear masks put on gloves and? It does take a special. You know kind of person to be able to willing to walk around the hot sun with mass song gloves on, and you know doing all these different things to try to do that. But I think canvassing operations adds a special touch the campaigning I think touch from six feet away still but It is an interesting thing. I. Think the Democrats are making a mistake when it comes out. I think we had a voter goal and the Republicans of one million better contacts were at about eight hundred thousand now in the state of North Carolina, and that's just young Republicans. I mean, you've got field organizers for the trump campaign going on every day wearing the protective equipment going out knocking on doors I mean it's a it's an amazing thing. You've got more I. Think we're probably knocking on doors making more phone banking calls than we ever have as for any presidential candidate chase I want to thank you so much for taking the time. Thank you. Ma'am Take Care Chase gains is coalition director of the North Carolina Gop. And here's one more thing for me. I've talked to a lot of people recently who are nervous about casting absentee ballot. They worry the post office may not delivered on time that it could be lost in transit. For it could be stolen or alter. These are valid worries especially at a time when the president himself is casting so much fear and doubt. But of course of interviewing the people involved in the administration of the vote, actually feel a lot better. They know the challenges ahead of them and they're preparing for it sure. They'll make some mistakes. They're doing all they can to ensure a fair safe and transparent election. But. You have a rule in this too. If you WANNA vote by mail it, but don't wait until the last minute request her ballot as soon as possible get it in the mail and plenty of time before Election Day. Or drop it off in person, and here's the most important thing. Read the instructions if you have questions. Go to the website of your state election officials or give them a call. The way intimidation works is it gets you to doubt yourself in this process. Do not let that happen go out and vote. And remember, you can join me on Tuesday September fifteenth for every vote counts Arizona I'll be interviewing Arizona's secretary of state about the changes they're implementing to the election process in the wake of Kobe nineteen. You can rsvp at the greenspace dot org. We'll send you a link to the livestream or head to the takeaways facebook page and watch it live there on Tuesday September fifteenth at six PM Eastern. That's all for us today. Our senior producer is Amber Hall Patricia. Shakeup is our associate producer polly. Irungu is our digital editor David. Gable is our executive assistant. Jake Howard is our director and sound designer. Debbie daughtry is our board up. Vince Fairchild is our board OP engineer. Our executive producer is Lee Hill. 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"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard, get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WB. You are. I'm Lisa Mullins. I'm Robin young. It's here now, President Trump and congressional leaders of both parties will meet in the White House this afternoon to try to end that government shutdown now in its twelfth day. This has some Democrats are chomping at the bit to take on the Trump administration in the house, which they will control starting tomorrow. So will there be investigations calls for impeachment or compromise over the weekend? Senator Lindsey Graham floated the idea of going back to former a compromise immigration legislation proposing a path to citizenship for the dreamers DACA recipients in exchange for wall funding. Well, if there is chomping at the bit on the part of Democrats, let's hear. From the man holding at least some of the rains, Massachusetts, congressman Jim McGovern, the Democrats slated to become the house rules chair one of the most important positions in the house congressman McGovern. Welcome. I'm happy to be with you. Let's go to the shutdown and questions about the border wall. I you have been vocally against it. You said you haven't seen a wall that couldn't be climbed over or dug under? But do you agree with Politico's reporting that most Democrats now are against accepting even some DACA reform a path to citizenship safe for young immigrants? Brought here for a wall funding, which was the old deal last year. Are you another Democrats against that? It will first of all I want to help the DACA recipients. And I want to help those with temporary protected status. We ought to find them a pathway to citizenship, but we had not be blackmailed into providing protection. And that's what the president tried to do in the past. And I think some suggesting he do it again in the future. Doesn't look like it's the Democrats who won't compromise. Well, first of all we did not accept their deal a year ago because it really wasn't the protection for DACA recipients that we had expected and it did nothing to help temporary protected status. And if you have billions and billions and billions of dollars to throw away. I mean, I'll tell you. I I want you to invest that money in rebuilding our country. The Boorda walls would across tens of billions of dollars. That's that's just that's insane. I measures Democrats are expected to pass tomorrow. When your party takes moving house is the set of rules you've written for passing legislation in the new congress there things like three days to read a Bill. So you actually get to read it bills have to be considered in committee. You've said you told WBRC Bob oaks that you want to be more bipartisan than the house has been Yoon if you don't like an amendment you want to make sure that it gets hurt on the floor. But talk about investigations you've said things like corruption conflicts of interest overturning regulate. Nations on behalf of big donors. Can you give us some examples? Well, one is I mean, we ought to have the intelligence committee do a proper has to Gatien of the of the Russia scandal to we ought to look into whether or not this ministration is in violation of the emoluments clause. Whether there are conflicts of interest, whether the trunk families making money off of off of government policies jump in conscien- because you said that you think this whole shutdown people looking at not getting a paycheck is because of President Trump's personal problems. And we're reminded that just days before they were allegations that his charitable foundation is family charitable foundation was a personal piggy-bank. I believe that this whole shutdown is totally unnecessary. You know, there were seven appropriation bills that are involved in keeping the government running six of them are totally bipartisan, they, you know, they there's no controversy over them. And yet they're being held hostage over border wall. All so what we're suggesting is that we ought to move forward on all six of these appropriation bills. That's reopened those agencies on the controversial appropriations Bill, which is the department of homeland security. Let's open that up for a few weeks. And then we can continue to have this discussion with the president on the border wall. But most of this is not controversial. I think the president deliberately you know, was itching for a shutdown to be able to divert attention away from all the scandals that have emerged as ministration one example of overturning relation because of big donors. I mean, I I look at everything in Environmental Protection Agency. I mean, making it easier for polluters to pollute weakening regulations on pesticides. I mean, these are all big donors to knowledge of the president. But to the Republican party this pay to play stuff has to stop. We're going to change that. And we're gonna hold this administration accountable, and we're gonna hold members of congress accountable as well. I mean, some of the rules changes that that that we're proposing involve members of congress not being able to serve on publicly. Traded boards. I mean, we have been example of a member of congress. She'll get in trouble for inappropriate behavior while he was serving on a board. So we're not leaving the White House to kind of we're holding members of congress accountable as well. A couple of things someone say, maybe you need to be held accountable for one of the rules changes which is making it harder for the house to remove speaker. Why do you need to protect Nancy Pelosi? Well, believe it or not that's kind of a bipartisan proposal because when the Republicans were in charge one of their frustrations was that a small minority could basically paralyze by constantly trying to challenge. The speaker. Look, we ought not to be empowering small groups of renegades who have no interest in running the government but try but only want to cause chaos. I have to ask you about impeachment in the possibility you voted twice to send impeachment to the judiciary committee, where do you stand on that in your neural? Look, I mean, I think this president isn't abomination I think he's an embarrassment. The corruption the erotic behavior see corruption when you say corruption, I mean, that's quite a charge. So how well I mean. I shall much of what he is doing is in enriching himself in his family from his Trump hotel here in Washington where every tin horn dictator in the world, you know, when they visit Washington spends, you know, spends their time they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean that's corruption that the stuff going on with his charity. I mean, all the investigations going on I can go on and on and on. But here's the deal and the issue of impeachment that has to be a bipartisan decision, there aren't the votes in the Senate, and I don't want to spend a lot of time focusing on impeachment. My focus is going to be on what we can get done and what we can accomplish for the American people and for my constituents. Jim mcgovern. The democrat who is the incoming house rules chair concrete McGovern. Thanks so much all the best an American named Paul Whalen continues to be held in custody in Russia. He was detained days ago on charges of espionage is family insists that he's not a spy. Here's his twin. Brother. David Whelan talking with Canada's CBC news. There's no chance that the Russians are making an accurate accusation paula's a law enforcement background. Here's a marine he has worked in corporate security in his very aware of both the rule of law and the risks of travelling in countries that may have risks to travelers Paul Williams detainment comes just a couple of weeks after a Russian woman Maria booting, a pleaded guilty in the us to acting as Russian agent or joined now by NPR national security correspondent, Greg Mary. Hi, greg. Hey, lisa. So the man who was detained a Paul Whalen. What does his family say that he was doing in Russia, and what does Russia claim he was doing? Well, the family says he's been a regular traveler to Russia for more than a decade. And he went there for a wedding of an American friend who is marrying a Russian woman. This was he's made business and vacation trips there over the past decade, and this was a totally private visit according to his family he felt comfortable going. There wasn't really worried about it because he'd he'd made previous trip Newsom Russians. A, but when he didn't communicate last Friday, his his family got very worried and actually feared the worst. But then the Russian Russian security agency, the federal security service said that he had been picked up last Friday for spying activity. So that's that at least put them at ease that he was alive, but he's been in detention since then to Russian say spying activity are they providing any evidence. No, they're not. And that of course, makes it very impossible to judge whether that that claim has any merit or if there are other other reasons at play and and the. US has been fairly cautious in its response. So far as well. So the timing of this move is quite relevant here as you said it comes on the heels of the conviction of a Russian woman as an unregistered foreign agent in the United States. Russia says that conviction is unjust. These sort of tit for tat actions are not unusual. But I wonder if if the US believes that the Kremlin detained pulpy Lynn simply to get a bargaining chip or somebody say even a hostage. So the US government is not saying that. But it certainly this this possibility leaps to mind you look at the timing. Bhuttan pleaded guilty on December thirteenth. Putin was asked about this a week later on December twentieth. He claimed Russia would not us retaliation. But then just eight days later on December twenty eighth Wieland is arrested. And so it does raise the possibility that there is there may be some bargaining that will will take place at least that's what the Russians are hoping. But we don't have anybody in the US government saying that outright. Well, we do have his secretary of state Mike Pompeo saying that the United States will demand Huilan's immediate return. If the detention, quote is not appropriate. What do you make of that statement again a little bit of a cautious response thing? You know, they will the US wants to see if these charges are valid, and then then will demand is return, if they're not now, what Pompeo also said was that he expected US diplomats in Moscow to see a wheel we Lynn as they're entitled to and we have heard preliminary reports from the Russian media that that has happened hasn't been confirmed yet from the US side, but we we certainly are expecting that that may provide a little bit more clarity about where this is headed as the new year begins, Greg. I wonder how you would describe the relationship between the US and Russia now, and what has been considered kind of bromance between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump. Yeah. Those are almost two separate things the relationship between the US. Russia is bad and getting worse. And I think this incident just plays into this. Larger narrative of continued fractions of both sides pushing back against one another on the other hand, President Trump does not criticize the Russian leader that something is not done throughout his time in office, and he's refrained from commenting in this case. So again, almost sort of two separate narratives taking place there in q. Today and tomorrow, we'll be waiting in the roiling waters of the women's March, the nonprofit that inspired millions worldwide to protest the Trump administration the day after the president's inauguration. The next protest day is January nineteenth. But there will be two major organizing groups because of a split between the founding mothers, reportedly based on anti-semitism as reported by Farah Stockman in the New York Times early on black activist to meek Mallory and Latino activists Carmen Perez told organizers, Vanessa ruble, who is Jewish that Jews need to confront their own role in racism and later, they pointed to Jews playing a large role in the slave trade and rubel says that's partly why she was forced out of the group now in one line in the times report to make a Mallory says, she didn't make those antisemitic statements, and we'll hear from her tomorrow. But meanwhile, the perception of a schism was underscored this week when an offshoot of Mallory screw postponed, the women's March in Eureka, California. Saying there were too few women of color in the leadership there. Let's start. Our look with Vanessa ruble, now founder of the group March on Vanessa welcome. Thanks, thanks for having me and Farah Stockman reported in the New York Times that early on in the first organizing meetings in two thousand seventeen you said something like, you're Jewish. Heritage inspired your activists work and both to make a Mallory of who was black and Carmen Perez Latino said what to you? So what I was trying to say at that moment was part of the way I come to this work is understanding my own history. Obviously Jews have a long history of persecution and understanding specifically the holocaust. Really made me feel like I need to fight on behalf of other people who are being oppressed and marginalized and hurt by the majority society, and that I think is what I was trying to express in that conversation. You know, I it's not unique to me to feel that way, you know, to Coon alum repair the world is a Hebrew saying you saw the certainly in the civil rights movement. There were many many Jews involved and at the forefront fighting on behalf of the black population. And all of that is something that I'm proud of. And I think that what likely happened in that conversation is that they took that to mean that I was acquainting Jewish struggles. With. Struggles of black and Latino communities in the US, which is really really comparing apples to oranges. Well, we're gonna have a chance to ask me what she heard in your saying. But is it true that they both replied that Jews need to confront their own role in racism, and that even later there was something of a, you know, shouting match between you in which she said that you people meaning Jews controlled money, hold all the wealth. So it's hard to remember the exact words of what we're said. I don't actually remember them saying we'll Jews to confront their own privilege because I certainly would have agreed with that statement. What I remember what I was taken aback by was the idea that Jews were specifically involved in predominantly involved in the slave trade and that Jews make a lot of money off of black and Brown bodies. And those were the statements that I remember, and and and similar things were repeated sort of throughout our organizing together. And by the way, it was every Harmon of white woman who happened to be there who again told fair Stockman in the New York Times that things were said like you people meaning Jews hold all the wealth. Look, this is a an incredibly sensitive topic. Do you think that this is why you were? Pushed out of the group both Mallory in Perez deny that I think that there were certainly other complex. I think that that was one piece of it. And I think that probably that initial conversation set in motion a series of events in which they wanted to sideline minimize truly my central role in organizing it I mean, I was the person who put together the team was building out the departments. I was certainly behind much of the strategy. And I think that for whatever reason they really wanted to minimize my role. Now, I will say that to certain extent, I was okay with that. I do believe marginalized people should be centered. And I think that doesn't happen often. So to certain extent, I was okay with being in the shadows. But I think that there's a difference between making room for other people and being completely made invisible. Later to make a Mallory was also criticized for tending rally with Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the nation of Islam who is variously antisemitic. He said in the fall, he's not anti-semites anti termite. He said in the past Jews have infected the whole world with poison and deceit. I mean, there's no question there her backers, including Linda, Sarsour, the Palestinian activists point out, it's complicated for to make a her son's father was murdered seventeen years ago, the nation of Islam Plato and important role in raising the boy that group has also helped inner city families. But is it true that you were concerned in voicing concern that anti-semitism was infecting the women's March movement? So let me start by saying that I do think the issues around the nation of Islam are incredibly complex. I think that you can understand Farrakhan is hateful and very dangerous. And you can understand that the nation of Islam has done very good work within the black community. And I think that that is very fraud. You know, this stuff didn't come up. The Farrakhan stuff really didn't come up until after I'd already left what I was concerned about during the March was the appearance of aligning ourselves with a group that was known to be antisemitic, and how that could shatter very very vulnerable coalition. My sense was that if the nation of Islam were to provide security, the Jewish community could see that as highly problematic. You know? And I think Linda made the point that the nation of Islam provides great security, and they protect all lives, and and I absolutely believe that. But nevertheless, the optics of it. We're not good. We're not. Okay. And and that is what I warned them about the fair. Con stuff really emerged after I left and enraged a whole lot of people. And I was actually very shocked because I would have thought they would immediately distance themselves from that. And I just don't think they did that in a way that was ever satisfactory to the people who are being maligned. Well, of course into the mix came the horrific massacre at the tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and so feeling for very very raw at that point. But again, Linda, Sarsour, the Palestinian activists posted a piece in which he noted that and understood how feeling to a raw she said her. Group raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to bury the victims of of that shooting. But she also pointed out it was a white supremacist who carried that out. And that this splintering of the women's movement is exactly what white supremacists want. Meanwhile, there are now two major organizations where there was one. Are you worried that there might be a perception that women's March ink is led by women of color and focused on diversity and your group March on is focused on anti-semitism and largely white and women feeling that they have to choose what I would just say, that's an absolutely false dichotomy March on is incredibly diverse coalition that chairman of our board is a woman named Jackie algae who has been a longtime organizer and the real matriarch of marshawn, and we have an incredibly diverse board and we've been very intentional about this. And we've been doing the very very hard work to be radically. Inclusive and we're not perfect. But I think we've really achieved the start of that. And so I think that the media painting this as one group for women of color and one group for white women is just incredibly false. And I think it's also very dangerous each this t- think Vanessa maybe a splinter that's needed to be worked at and gotten out for fifty years. Now, I mean women of color in the sixties felt they were left out of the women's movement. Then. Well, that's exactly why I specifically reached out to women of color to come help lead this movement. I knew that if this movement was led by a bunch of white women and a bunch of white women only marched on Washington. It would be a disaster for our country. You know, my original vision was look the men have really screwed up our country. Look where we are. Now can the women rise above women of every for lack of a better word tribe in this country? Can we rise above and say, look, we're not going to be best friends overnight because there's a lot of distrust. But can we work on this together? Because we have a common enemy is the answer. No, do I don't think that's the answer. At all. I think that this work is really hard work. And I think this is part of the really hard work. And that's what's being done right now. We can't come together as a coalition. And learn about each other. If we have these underlying feelings and misconceptions about groups of people, and if we can come to a better place than this has been alternately a good thing. That's a ruble. The activists who helped start the women's March. She's since left that group her group is March on but NASA, thanks so much for talking to us. Absolutely. And again, we'll hear tomorrow from to make a Mallory of the women's March. This message comes from here now sponsor, indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist qualified candidates fast with indeed post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. An American health worker who may have been exposed to the Abol of virus in Congo has been admitted to a healthcare facility in Nebraska, the male doctor arrived in the US over the weekend. He's being monitored for symptoms of A Bola. The outbreak in Congo. Peers to be the second largest on record. There are more than six hundred confirmed cases Helen Branchville covers infectious disease and public health for staff the health and medicine publication. Helen, what do we know about this physician? This is a gentleman of physician who has been working in a missionary hospital in northeastern DRC his in a place called Nian day. He had some type of exposure to somebody who had a bullet and died very quickly after arriving at the hospital. He was working in. And the thinking was that he was somebody who needed to be watched and monitored over the coming days. And that's what's happening. Now. He's been evacuated to Nebraska as we know and he's being monitored there. But he's not yet a patient because he's not sick. Why of all the health facilities where you could have gone has he gone to those Nebraska medical center. What would does the center off to offer ever ask is one of the centers, which in twenty fourteen took a number of A Bola patients, you you will recall during the west African it. Bill outbreak several American physicians who were working in west Africa were infected and brought home for care as was a cameraman who'd been working for NBC. Several of them were treated at Nebraska. So it is one of the places that has expertise in caring for a bowl of patients the United States. And in fact, some of those patients lived in some died. This is not an easy thing to try once somebody experiences the symptoms of A Bola to be able to cure them. But I. Stand. There are drugs that are being tested right now. How successfully. Clinical trials started in earlier in the fall, and it's going to take quite a while to get answers on what is working and what works best it's thought that they improve survival chances. But the really isn't a lot of data on that right now, I have checked with the Nebraska medical center. And they've told me that if this man does become symptomatic they do have access to the experimental therapies and may use them if needed Helen if he does become symptomatic how much more alarming does this case. Become in terms of the potential spread of Bulla, obviously would be very very concerning for him and his family in the organization for which he works in terms of the prospect of spread in the United States. I would not think it would be high the purpose of these Biocontainment units that Nebraska and Emory and couple of other places have is very much to be able to offer care without. Posing risk to the general population. So anybody who goes into those units would be going in, you know, in what looks like a spacesuit, essentially fully gown glowed wearing face masks, all sorts of layers of equipment, and you know, special air filters on the room. It wouldn't be a risk to the general public. Helen Branchville senior writer for stat. Thank you very much. Thank you. As new lawmakers are born into congress tomorrow the seat representing North Carolina's ninth district will be empty because of evidence of vote tampering scheme in the midterm race. For that seat. Democrats are taking over the leadership in the house and say they won't seat the Republican candidate Mark Harris who got nine hundred more votes than his democratic opponent democrat eighty because of the scandal over how some of those votes were collected. Meanwhile, the state election board charged with investigating the scandal has been ordered by a panel of judges to dissolve because of a case having nothing to do with the scandal. Few rusty Jacobs politics report of a WNYC is in Chapel Hill, high rusty. Hi, Robyn, and we've talked about this scandal allegations from voters that a nice lady came to their house and said she'd fill out their absentee ballots that lady is the stepdaughter of Leslie McRae, Dallas political contractor working for Harris, the Republican do we know how far the board God in the investigation. Did candidate Harris? No, for instance. Well, congressman or I should say I'm so I- candidate. Mark Harris says he didn't know there were any proprieties. He did has said that he did. In fact, higher Dallas that he was steered towards Dallas by state and county Republicans who claimed that Dallas was very effective at getting in harvesting Republican or I should say harvesting absentee ballots in helping with that effort Harris lost a primary in two thousand sixteen to a candidate who got most of the absentee ballots in bladen county in his favor working with McRae, Dallas. So he knew that Dallas was effective at helping with absentee ballots. He says he did not know that he was engaged in any kind of impropriety. And so this board that had been investigating. I'm presuming we don't know what conclusions. They met may have come to write. And now they've been ordered to dissolve because of another case, correct. So without without making this too convoluted back in. Two thousand sixteen just before democrat governor ROY Cooper took office. The Republican controlled legislature rewrote, the law governing the ethics board and the elections board. And they rewrote it to that. They had more power on appointing members to that board governor Cooper challenge that in court last October, a three judge panel in Wake County determined that the makeup of the board was in fact, unconstitutional and would have to be dissolved they ex- they stayed that ruling giving the board time to complete its investigation after the board delayed the hearing that we're expecting on January eleventh about the improprieties in the congressional district. Ninth congressional district. They decided that it was time to dissolve the board. We are now without aboard. We are not without a staff though, investigators legal counsel who are still continuing to look into possible improprieties. But are we without a hearing? Because as you said it was scheduled for the eleventh, all I can tell you is the spokesman for the North Carolina. The state elections board has said that the staff continue. News to work as if there will be a hearing on the eleventh. But certainly there cannot be determination. Whether there is enough evidence to warrant a new election without aboard in place. I will tell you that governor were Cooper is standing by his or his staff's legal analysis that what should happen is the law should revert to a twenty fifteen law that predates the unconstitutional law. That says there will be a five member board made up of appointees by the governor. He is trying to get that in place in time for this January eleventh elect January eleventh hearing, right, but if there is a new election state law requires that there has to be a new primary as well. So is it possible that Republicans could decide replace Mark Harris with an entirely new candidate? It's certainly possible. And there are people out there who will say that report state Republicans have determined that Mark Harris, whether he did no or not is just too toxic that being said, a high profile Republicans Robert pittenger, the current incumbent who who lost the primary Tamar Carris this go round says. He will not run. Again. Pat, Mkhori former governor has his own talk radio program in Charlotte says he will not run again. I tell you a new one you said rusty a few seconds ago not to get too convoluted. I'm sure a lot of listeners yelled out too late because this is so complicated. It doesn't change the balance in the house because the Democrats, you know, have taken over the leadership what's doing people there in the ninth district as you see there's a cloud of uncertainty as thick as p soup. I mean, really for the people who live in that district. Everybody in that district and people outside the district. You're saying look this has been going on for years. One of the interesting things to come out of this investigation is that the the state elections board staff the executive director in two thousand seventeen reached out to the US attorney's office the eastern district saying we've heard about improprieties in bladen county, just where all this is supposedly taking place in the two thousand sixteen you think it should be looked into. Nobody did anything about it. So a lot of people are saying these are problems they should have been solved a long time ago. WINCE's rusty Jacobs. Thank you. You're welcome. There are those who love music and those who obsess over it. The obsessive are the ones you'll find hunched over the stacks of vinyl LP's forty fives. And yes, even CD's at record shows around the country, the shows are going on somewhere nearly every week of the year from Wayne New Jersey to Madison Wisconsin to San Antonio, Texas. The New England compact disc and record expo has been going on for forty two years now on a recent Sunday morning. The faithful gathered at the show in Dedham Massachusetts at American Legion post eighteen that's a long tradition. A wad of loyal customers off loyal viewers. You'll beat them all. One of the people who keeps his record show spinning is Sheila gold of the Randolph music center. She's right behind a big table of much right now, we've got albums and DVD's CDs. Prison. Classic. Oh includes Chuck Berry in nineteen fifty four. So there's really a market for all of this. It's coming back when we strong actually selling more vinyl right now than we CDs. Now, the people who come to sheila's show have strong opinions not just about their tasted music. What about for instance, whether vinyl beats out digital dealer, Don to brew of mine? Oh, man. Oh, definitely better. Quality sound. Compact, discs is a big lie. It's com fat. You can hid all on the Senate. So vinyl was always been the best. And some of the people who buy that vinyl are diehards such as Bill Pepperell. I'm fifty six, and I remember the days when people would like no that there was a leads up album that was going to be released in three months, and they would wait. And then we would bring it, and we would bring it into the common room by school, and we'd all sit around and silent listening to it three or four times. And because it's vinyl and you have to flip it over. And you have to physically be with it while it's play. Saying not dimension. Cover the cover, and but mostly eat interact with the music because when you put CD's on they just become background music. Like streaming music services. It doesn't even matter what you're listening to people. Don't even know what that will say, whatever you listen to you. You can sometimes get it for a couple of bucks, sometimes more. Oh, my name's Gary summers. And I am the king of pop culture. My job is to find weird stuff and sell it to weird people. So how valuable are these albums rugs can go for his lowest three dollars approximately for good condition record up to hundreds of dollars. So dealer done debris scored big I guess sold. Deal Hawkins Suzie Q album for six hundred bucks. Seen manifestations. Well, when sold today buddy Holly that'll be a day with original black label sold for five hundred bucks this lawn. Debris says the cleaner the copy and the better the condition. The more money bring in right now eighties music is big especially punk metal also the pretenders David Bowie. But you never know when someone searching for something way different attention dealers as someone looking for. Score you in New York on L P. You happen to find it in your kin. Let us know. And then there are the old forty fives sold at the front of this hall by David Marston. So I'm dealer here. In fact, I'm the dealer with the highest seniority at this show. I've been doing almost as long as the show has been running. So that's why have this front table space. And I just bought some records before the show started. So I'm additioning some of them, and you're listening these on a genuine nukem solid state Forty-five player. So what's the forty five year spending their now, this is the Villette sisters on MGM one two nine two eight some girl group I gave him back. His ring is the title here. I wanted to check out. Spinning the disks at the New England compact disc and record expo by the way. The website grew vinyl offer some advice if you're a newcomer to the record show seen arrive early feel free to haggle over the price tag and bring along bag for your stash because flipping through vinyl is a two hand job. The sub Ramallah temple in the Indian state of Carolis ancient Hindu shrine. It's long been off limits to women between the ages of ten and fifty last year, India's Supreme Court overturned that ban. But right wing protesters continued to block women from entering the shrine yesterday to women sneaked in the BBC's, Jill mcgivering following the story, you'll give some context wise it so significant that these women entered the temple these women who trying to excise a right to worship this high profile shrine is one of the best known in India, and they would given that right in a ruling by the supreme court last three months ago, but ever since groups of women have been going to the shrine trying to enter it trying to wish it on. They've been stumped by protesters. Now, the protesters basically hotline traditional conservatives Hindu groups who think that this is shrine that should be maintained. Sacred. They think tabu for women of menstruating age of childbearing age to enter it. And they're angry about the court ruling that define it by saying you think the right on paper. But when not allowing you in this is basically been going on for a while. And then finally these two women who will activists in Neff OT's people who had previously tried to go the gym in daylight to excise right by worshiping the shrine this time, they went in undercover of dumbness traditionally wearing black heads covered on the used a less known entrance to the they were going slightly secretly. Nobody knew it was happening until afterwards when the videos of that worshiping the shrine where released now to get there. It's not an easy truck. I mean, the shrine is up on a pretty steep hill. So they presumably had a difficult time getting there, and they could actually make entry once they were at the top at the approach. Yes. They seem to have the temple of a little by surprise. They say that there were other pilgrims who would gathered there. On the sacred step toy to go in. They say that the other people who were there. Steve OT's didn't respond to them. They didn't seem to mind. But certainly since news has broken the entered the shrine and worshipped there we've had priest the temple who've carried out a cleansing ritual because they consider that the that the win wash the wasn't impurity and they've tried to to clean cleanse the shrine. And then we've had also hard right group. So very angry that they've been who've been protesting they've been blocking highways they've been lobbying outside the state parliament buildings on there have been clashes with police water cannon and take s and so on his part of that. They also calling a major strike for tomorrow and saying that that protest and not going to stop. There is a also another factor in here. This very interesting. I think that there was a claim that the two women are transgender in that is apparently not the case if it were the case, though, their presence would have been allowed. It would we had. An example last month when for the first time since oil this issue was reignited since the supreme court ruling in September. Some transgender women went on prayed, and they want stopped. Basically, the police were a little anxious about it and initially had because they were concerned about the being any any protest or any violence had denied permission for the transgender women to go. But in fact, when they discussed it with the temple artists that we have no problem with that on traditionally transgender women how being allowed the issue tends to focus on the issue of menstruation. So we'll though we see broadly as the issue of women on this were transgender women who went and saw though it very are visit visually female, but they won't menstruating and not seem to be the key issue. The impurity and the tabu surrounding menstrual blood and menstruation being fertile being of childbearing age. All these things seem to be the the issue is, of course, offense to the conservatives and for those who are. Are on the side of of the women who did make entry to the temple. There is yesterday may be paid to picture for us. But a massive counter protest with women across Carola forming a three hundred eighty five mile long human chain. Yes. That was quite an extraordinary site. I've seen some of the footage of that of all these women standing shoulder to shoulder as you say extraordinary stretch of brightly colored Sarah's an under determined women that which policy organized by the the state government. And not surely, there's also quite interesting political dimension to this because we've got a state government in Carola, which is led by a leftwing communist party and the chief minister, and that policy of being very supportive of the women, and they continually said they have the right to wash it. I have this right? Given to them by the supreme court on the conservatives cannot stop them from doing that. But many of the hotline conservatives are part of a different political party, the J P, and they are also in power nationally and India on about to go. To national elections and a few months time. So there's a broad resonance tool this debate, as well, what happened to the women who who went into the temple where they know. They have spoken to the media since all this news broke. But I think there's also a sense of anxiety about this security because then name's been released on I understand. They all receiving police protection. At the moment. There's also a slightly broader show, of course, that had been people who supported the women who hoped that soon as the first women manage to enter the temple, it might create a precedent that allow other women to take their rights and to follow that doesn't seem much sense of that it's hard to imagine the sort of conservative hotline is at the moment who seems so enraged by the fact that this happened allowing any other women to follow in the footsteps anytime soon. Thank you very much the BBC's. Jill mcgivering things. Thank you hear now is a production of NPR in WB. You are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Lisa Mullins. I'm Robin young. This is here now.

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"From NPR and Wbz I'm Robin Young I'm Tanya Moseley it's here now the Centers for Disease Control is telling state public health agencies to prepare to distribute to covert nineteen vaccines vaccine a vaccine be by early November, Bill, Gruber, visor, senior vice president of Clinical Research and development told here, and now that they're vaccine is one of the vaccines in contention. Yeah I'm not sure which one is a or B, but we certainly are one of the vaccines in contention deliver on a November first date and we're still working very hard to achieve that goal. The other may be the Madeira vaccine that is also in phase three clinical testing. Angela Rasmussen is a virologist and associate research scientist at Stanford University and joins us now with more and an Angela. What is the CDC telling state officials about how they should begin to prepare for distribution of a vaccine in what populations might qualify first. So, the CDC has issued a letter to the governor of the states telling them that they need to begin preparing distribution centers So this would be either centers that are set up specifically to distribute the vaccine to people who are going to get it first or hospitals and other types of clinical settings in which a vaccine would be administered and the people who are most likely to be getting access to it. I probably frontline healthcare workers. And and that's really right now all that we know about that. Okay, and of course, this distribution plan, all of these plans are hypothetical but the vaccines in question are not briefly, what do we know about the Pfizer vaccine and how it works? So, both of those vaccines work in a similar way they're both what we call Emma vaccine's in that they give a piece of genetic material that encodes of the spike protein from SARS coronavirus to and that's what your body makes antibodies against. So your cells will produce this protein. The immune response will be mounted against it. You will develop antibodies to that, and presumably there'll be protective what we don't know about either the Pfizer or the Moderna vaccine is whether or not they actually can induce. Protective Immunity. So we don't know actually if they work or not. And just for clarification is there any difference between the Pfizer vaccine and MODERNA? Vaccine? Yes there are some differences. So they are formulated with different lipid that is required to deliver the vaccine to your cells Also they are. The MODERNA vaccine is the full length spike protein while the Pfizer vaccine is directed at just the receptor binding domain. So just the part of the spike protein that binds as to which it needs to do to get into a human sal and cause an infection. Okay and again Madeira is possibly the other vaccine that the CDC has an its plan. Again both vaccines are in phase three clinical testing. What does that mean? Does this proposed timeline? Make sense what are your? So my concerns are that I don't see how it's going to be feasible to get adequate safety and efficacy data from phase three trial by that date in. November. Two how phase three trials work is enrolled thousands of people. In this case, I believe it's around thirty thousand people per trial. They have a control arm Those are people who receive either a placebo vaccine or saline solution. And then there's the experimental arm where the trial participants received the experimental vaccine in question. Then those people are basically released to go about their normal lives, and in the course of those lives some them will be exposed to corona virus. Only after you have enough people get exposed to the current a virus in that way, can you then go back and look at the numbers in both groups from the clinical trial and assess whether or not the vaccine is having a protective effect on the people who received it? The both of these vaccines require a second shot given four weeks after the first shot. So these trials began enrolling in July. Some of these, some of the participants have probably not even received the second shot yet they are also still enrolling. They haven't been fully enrolled so there still ongoing and I just think with with those numbers, it's going to be very, very difficult to get enough people to make any conclusive decisions about efficacy or safety. Ngelo in the minute or so that I have with you in the context of the larger effort by companies all over the world racing for vaccine. How do we make sense of all the vaccine updates that we're hearing about? Well. It's important to think about the fact that all of the vaccines that have been reported to go through phase one or phase two trials do elicit an immune response. They elicit high levels of neutralizing antibodies which are antibodies that can actually render the virus non infectious they also in some cases. Tesol responses that's all a good sign but we really need to wait for the phase three trials to complete in order to decide if they're effective or not. Angela Rasmusen is virologist and associate research. Scientist at Columbia University. Thank you. Thank you so much. Well, a landmark ruling by the supreme this summer found that three million acres in eastern Oklahoma belongs to the Muskogee creek reservation despite more than a century of white settlement, this could have ripple effects native American reservations across the country including the boundaries of the wind river reservation and the city of Riverton. Wyoming. As Mountain West News Bureaus Savannah Mar reports lately, I've been spending a lot of time in municipal park in the middle of Riverton. Wyoming and asking everyone I, run into the same question. Are we on the Wind River reservation right now? We are not. I believe that we are young we should be. I don't know. Seventeen year old Darius Tillman has an opinion. Well, we should be a lot of people would say, no, we're not but. Yeah. We're on the reservation. Tillman is eastern Shoshoni in northern Arapaho and he's lived in Riverton his whole life. He says, most of the white kids he's grown up with feel entitled to the Land We're sitting on you know I'm I'm not I'm not a fan of it, but there is an attitude that this is there's. Which I find. Funny. Funny. He says because his ancestors have been here a whole lot longer. Tillman doesn't blame his classmates he says, he never learned about the history of Riverton in school either he's had to research it on his own. One of the main things that keep reading is at Riverton is land ceded from the Wind River as evasion, and that is such a strange way to put it because for Tillman seated implies that the tribes had a choice West Martell eastern Shoshoni tribal elder puts it a little more bluntly, I, say that all that was vicious starrewards which is. A bunch of crap in eighteen, sixty eight, the federal government set aside three million acres here for the quote absolute and undisturbed use and occupation of Shoshoni people. But by nineteen o five congress had shrunk the reservation by about half and the US army placed another tribe here the northern Arapaho there wasn't enough food to go around. So when the feds offered to facilitate the sale of some parcels on the reservation to white settlers, tribal leaders took the deal. Martell says, they did so under duress. Of the history of the waiver, innovation? Eurostar people. So they have to submit more importantly. Martell says that nineteen o five land sales agreement didn't diminish the wind river reservation. It only allowed for white settlement within the existing boundaries. As Proof, he cites the fact that the federal government never paid for the land. It just agreed to facilitate sales in two thousand sixteen. The tribes took that argument to Federal Court and lost they appealed to the US Supreme Court which declined to hear the case. Fremont County. Attorney Patrick Lebron says that should have put this issue to bed. He points to an act of Congress that formalized the nineteen o five agreement language used clearly indicated diminishment. In other words the reservation was gone there just weren't going to get paid for it immediately. Just as it was sold in the future Riverton Mayor Richard, guard agrees the opinion of the populace really doesn't matter does it and so to continue to pick this, this has been decided on more than one occasion by the courts but the wind river case may get yet another hearing and this time Justice Neal Gorsuch is on the US Supreme Court. Gorsuch is a Westerner with a deep knowledge of federal Indian law. He wrote the majority opinion in the recent mcgirt versus Oklahoma decision stating that it takes a clear act of Congress to diminish the boundaries of a reservation. Angelique Eagle Woman says that in the Wind River case, the congressional language was far from clear reading in inferences to the nineteen o five act is the only way the majority got to their decision and to me that is unjust in error and should be corrected. Eagle woman is a professor of Indian law at the Mitchell Hamlin School of law in. Saint. Paul Minnesota she says, the Oklahoma ruling sets an. Important precedent when there's ambiguity in these sorts of cases, courts have to air in favor of tribes. This decision is a wakeup call to state governments and local municipalities that treaties are going to be taken seriously as they should have been by the US. Supreme Court Eastern Shoshoni. Northern. ARAPAHO tribal leaders say they're taking a hard look at the mcgirt versus Oklahoma decision and might consider taking their case back to court. But right now they have their hands full fighting the novel coronavirus. Tribal members like Darius Tillman. Hope their leaders will make reestablishing the reservation, a priority and I think this new generation we need to re look at that history and we need to determine what needs to be done. So that the people here especially the indigenous people can be successful. For here, and now I'm Savannah Mar.. ooh. ooh, Carl, Hiaasen has a new novel. Those six words just brought joy to those who thrive on his satirical skewering of the absurd in the state that he loves Florida humor that barely conceals his disdain for those who destroy its natural beauty with overdevelopment or just plain stupidity Google Florida man in his new book squeeze me it's the wealthy palm beach crowd including a former reality TV. Star turn president with a Velcro hairpiece which screech owl confuses for Roadkill Fox as Janet Maslin says in her Rave Review in the New York Times look at yourself. If you're wearing a Maga- anything, you won't like this book. There's a group of women who adore this president one of them disappears wait a minute that lump in that invasive Burmese Python look suspiciously like Kiki Poo Fitzsimmons. There's also a recluse living in the everglades who pulls up his I patch to reveal a white sphere. I'm incubating Guana Egg. He tells a friend again, the book is squeezed me Carl Great to talk to you again. Thank you for having me back. Okay. Are we see what you've done here? This now famous president who never is named trump but has some sort of velcro. Skullcap is in Florida at a place called not mar-a-lago. But Kassab Bella Cosa. And he has a following of women who call themselves. The Po- tessies people can use our imaginations. It's a combination of two words. Police in another one, the president has used there is a mar-a-lago. There are questions about the president's hair and there is a group of women in Palm Beach, are they call the trumpets believe so I think that's what they're called. I think you'd probably Google them I don't get invited too much. So I I can't verify but Yeah, it's quite a scene and you know if you right satire you I mean you're drawn to the scenes that are target rich. Have you observed the trump that's been tomorrow. Go I mean I've actually been tomorrow logger was it was a number of years ago I'm I'm not sure how long maybe nine or ten years ago and I actually met you know the real president long before he was running for office or anything. So yeah, I've I've I've observed some of it but you let your imagination run wild and also you know there's a publication when I was writing squeezed me I subscribe to this the Palm Beach Daily News which is terrific the shiny sheet and basically as a society newspaper. So it has a lot of of event photographs. And what's going on in in Palm Beach Society and that was inspirational I have to say, then your job is a novelist, it's just to take the ball and run with it and it was the bad part was pretty easy. Did you ever fear that as you were writing something that you imagined it's so outrageous it could never happen could happen I had that fear every day when I was writing in the times we live in it's very tough to do satire it's very humor is difficult because you you you think up a scene or a character or plot line that you think is is so far out. and then you pick up the newspaper the next day or you go online and you see. There's a guy in the White House who who, suggesting, it's a great idea to inject You know clorox into your veins you're covid nineteen. You know when I was writing this book obviously, I was finishing up right in the beginning the first few months of the pandemic. But I was able to I had enough time to revise and working you covert references. But again, the idea of of lockdown, the idea of everything that's happened would have been hard to imagine I think even four years ago. Well some things are imaginable because as you remind us throughout the book you always. Bring us into some history of Florida, and so for instance, we have talked before about pythons and how to everglades but you remind us what the problem is with Burmese pythons summit up over big they're prolific and they're they haven't found a way to stop them. There's thousands of thousands of them out there and they grow by eighteen feet long and they're and they can. Eat a an adult alligator and they've migrated out of the everglades sort of eating their way through the food chain and they move north and You know I don't know that they've reached the island Palm Beach yet. But I, I kind of wrote the novel for all of us who who couldn't be there when it happened but has a socialite perhaps named Kiki pugh. Ever gone missing during a charity gala for which he written a check for fifty thousand dollars. It's the diamond patrons table at the annual white ibis ball committed to defeating irritable bowel. Trump. has a socialite than swallowed whole? No not to my knowledge. The has any but nobody's been eating yet by one of these big pythons they had they do however they beaten. You know full grown white tailed deer for example. So it's not a big leap. It was kind of a an irresistible combination. You think about you know I mean honestly in in my twisted mind pythons mar-a-lago. The Book Sorta writes itself. Out, what else are you saying here about Florida? It's not just a setting, not just a locale I mean, it is the this is the kind of place that's a character itself in every book I mean it is that significant a landscape and it's so diverse and it's so beautiful and it's so frustrating and exasperatingly live here because you know it's changing continually and filling up with people I. Think we now. There's over twenty million people and so th- that clash of this kind of wild and beautiful place with people coming from everywhere and filling it up is bound to be rich material for a writer. Now, it's not an accident that a lot of the most popular writers you know in the country have come here to now including Stephen King. John Grisham, there. Karen Russell who's WHO's caught it in a way. Not many people have just extraordinary, but it brings that out if you're a writer and you land here and I mean, you know if you you come straight from the Iowa Writer's workshop or somewhere plop down in. Florida you're GONNA be busy. There's no end to the material and and in a way if you like I born and raised here and you loved the place and you find it also maddening the writing itself becomes a form of psychotherapy. and. How much fun is it? I mentioned some of the lines in the beginning but here's the description of some of the local women this again Palm Beach he took up with one of the communities freshly divorced self discovering female yoga fanatics the traveled in packs ever alert and lies as mere cats. Why think that's probably a description that applies far beyond Palm Beach County but. When you're writing lines you know when you're actually writing at least for me they bury. I've talked about this too. You're not smiling or even laughing your writing. There's part of you that says, Oh that's funnier that works so that the time is good or bad adjective is perfect but there's a part of you that says is it right? Is the rhythm of it right does. It look good on the page is it funny but it's grim work when you're doing it and when you're finished and you see that it works and you and you get such great reactions from people are laughing at it and it just validates their instinct. But when you're doing it, it can be grinding because you one wrong word and it's that that sentences and funny anymore. Well we have to say Carl Hiaasen, for those saying wait a minute. He's really mocking some women here. You have at the center of the Book Angie Wildlife. Wrangler. She's the hero. Even though she fed the hand of a baby deer killer to an alligator, well, the hand was at that point still attached to his arm. Just to was a bad guy you know and she she she took extreme action. She's one of my favorites I. Mean a lot of the novels have have women who are the League Leib Roller. Protagonist in them and I just find them. They tend to be more interesting. They're stronger. They're smarter than the rest of the cast of characters, usually which in my own experience true real-life. You never know when you start you know, and originally that character when I was writing started was was a male character is most of the people in that business wildlife. Removal Business in Florida you call them and they come get the raccoon out of your or something most of those folks are men, and so that's why I started but I I was. Fifty or seventy five pages in I got I think would be much more fun if she was a woman in that profession and she'd have to deal with a little bit more and a little bit of. You know skepticism and a little bit of doubt and so and I just liked from the beginning I get I I really lucked out. Carl Hiaasen the book is squeezed me get it. There's a python involved. Carl we note on the opening page, it's dedicated to the memory of your brother Rob. We spoke after that terrible shooting at the capital gazette in an a-plus. Maryland. He was one of those killed. It's been two years. He changed the way. Right has that changed the way to dedicate this to him? Yeah. No, and I knew I would I I don't know that it changed the way I wrote I think what happened was I, went through a period after rob was killed and and he just he was let me just say an incredible writer himself and he was funny and wise and smart and just sharp and and had this wonderful sense of humor in it I I was frozen really. For a couple of months. I. Mean. The first thing I went back to do and it took me two months after he was killed to do it was to start my column again because. I just knew he. He would want me to keep writing and then I mean it wasn't easy I. The first time in my whole life, I just couldn't. And then once I started the column I started thinking about the novel and. You know gradually worked up to our launched on it because it's what he would have wanted meeting. The last thing he would've wanted me to do with sort of. Bail out and quit and and also I kept thinking of his sense of humor. The time while I was writing squeeze me because I. I, know he would have he would have enjoyed it. You know we always talked about books and. I think it was a motivation honestly robin to keep going because it was you know there was some dark times and it's hard to be funny some days when you know things happen like it's it's hard to be a sit down and write humor for someone else in for readers were expecting you know my readers are just terrific. We've oil and they're also shop and if I was off my game at all I felt like, I couldn't do the book. So you know it took a while but I think in the end. Healthy. You've pretty much on your game. Carl highs again, the new novel squeeze. Call thank you so much. Face rallies. Talk we get. The number of people filing new jobless claims. Last week dipped to eight, hundred, eighty, one, thousand, that's new pandemic low but much of that drop was tied to a new statistical methods. The Department of Labor is using for more bringing all evil she msnbc anchor economics. Correspondent. Holly. So talk first about the new method. which is accounting for this new lower number. What is this? It's seasonal adjustment. So what the government is doing now is smoothing out normal fluctuations in with seasonal workers. So teachers returning to work people who are hired for the holiday season being laid off things like that. The new method results in lower seasonally adjusted data on jobless claims, and it's likely to end our million plus figures that we're seeing a but it's still in line. When you take out the seasonal adjusting, we're still in line with what we've been seeing in the last few weeks I can't believe that whoever's calling you doesn't realize that you are on the radio on the. Radio. So but just to be clear. So this is this something that happens all the time the seasonal adjustment. Or is it something that is there whiff of W- trying to make the number lower? You, know I don't know about motivations just yet when you. If I take out the seasonal adjustment, we find that real unemployment benefit claims actually rose a little bit went from eight, hundred and twenty, five thousand. Eight hundred twenty six, thousand last week to eight, hundred, and thirty, three thousand. But it's the fifth straight week in which the claims have been below. One million dollars. I'm sorry one million people claiming so economists are still predicting the unemployment rate is going to be the same as it would have been nine point eight percent in August will be the first time that below ten percent. So overall, I think we're still looking at the same thing it there may be political advantage to it. There may not be, but I don't know what the motivation is. And we know the one sector that some economists optimistic about as manufacturing construction. Know the housing stock right now is low because people are moving out of the cities and buying homes instead of apartments and some people are predicting an epic boom as more houses get built. We think maybe the fifties do you think the sustained demand is there? I mean, it's incredible. It's a combination of two things people moving to get out of cities, and again, you have to be able to afford to do that and be able to be flexible enough that you can move away and interest rates being remarkably low because the Federal Reserve has deliberately kept rates low. It's the same reason even though we don't see today that the stock market is going the way it is, but it's real single family housing starts meaning permits to start houses. Climbed twenty two and a half percent in July lumber is up one hundred and thirty four percent. The price of a new home is up about twenty, two thousand dollars, the media new home because of the increased cost of both construction and lumber. So it's very real right now, I don't know whether that sort of edges off once the pandemic is over once we have a vaccine, but for now yeah. People are buying houses at record rate. Will be less than a minute here. Isn't this also? Not Great News for bartenders, people who normally work in cities Yes for anybody WHO's working in the city, including all the small businesses and restaurants that are in cities that have seen people leave. It is not good news. Again, it's not a massive trend yet because a whole lot of people can't afford to live out of where they live or or inner city into a a suburb or into a larger house, and again, we don't know whether ends when this furner virus comes to an end but for now it is real. Anchoring economics correspondent Elliott Kelsey thanks as always. Accord battle is brewing. In Iowa, over mail in voting Democrats are taking the state's Republican Secretary of State to court at issue are absentee ballot requests that county auditors had pre filled with voters information about sixty four, thousand people submitted those forms to judges ordered them thrown out agreeing with the Secretary of state that the county could only send blank ballot request forms the Iowa. Democratic. Party and two other groups filed a lawsuit this week to keep the ballot request forms in play and for more we're joined now by Iowa public radio's Katharina Star Ick High Katerina Hi Tania. So Iowa Democratic Party chair mark. Smith. CAST this in terms he said Iowa Democrats will fight tooth and nail against every militias effort by desperate Republican politicians to suppress our fundamental right to vote. What's the case from the Iowa Democrats bringing this lawsuit. They say that they're defending the rights of these voters, these sixty four, thousand voters approximately an Iowa who currently won't have their ballot applications fulfilled because of court orders. They return to these pre filled ballot request forms. Judges struck them down as a result of lawsuits from Republican groups. and. Now, the Democrats are saying that the secretary of State didn't have the authority to order county auditors to only send blink forms to voters in the first place, and this lawsuit from the Democrats is essentially kind of an attempt to reverse the judge's orders in these other cases that were brought by Republicans. Okay. Let's break this down a little bit. So Republicans have called these county auditors who mailed these pre filled ballot request forms as rogue what information on the forms Why did judges there say this violated the law All the information that was required on the form was already filled out by the county auditors. So the voters name address and birth date, but the main issue was this voter ID component where voters can either fill in their driver's license number or if they don't have that a voter pin that is mailed to voters who don't have a driver's license. The pre fold forms had that already filled out and the Republican groups who brought these original lawsuits said that that could open the door to voter fraud. Of course, there's no evidence of widespread voter fraud in Iowa, but the county auditors. Pre filled. The forms said that they rejected that argument because this is a number that was already sent in the mail to people anyway. The judges ultimately ruled that there's no law that states the form must be completed by the voter, but there's other laws about absentee ballot requests and the Secretary of State's emergency powers that bolstered the Secretary of State's directive that the county auditors can only send blink forms. Okay. These are ballot request forms though they're not votes. How could this affect the election? Well, if the people who have already requested a ballot. Don't see the notification that their request won't count and then don't send a second request for a ballot or if people. Fail to then go to in person voting if they don't send a second request for a ballot, it's possible that some of these people who requested a ballot already won't end up casting one. It's already causing confusion and uncertainty among voters. The something that only affects three counties out of Iowa's ninety nine counties. But I've been hearing from election officials and voters and other counties that you know they very requests won't count. Because what they're hearing about what's going on in other places. Yeah, this is definitely a national issue, the Republican National Committee President Trump's campaign and other GOP groups. Sued the county auditor to get these absentee ballots requests thrown out and National Democratic groups are part of this new lawsuit. What are the implications for this case Beyond Iowa While the trump campaign has filed lawsuits and other states related to absentee voting as well. So this is kind of just another front in this kind of battle over Mellon voting that's playing out in several states you know maybe just a different twist on it in Iowa. And of course, it's happening during a pandemic when many election officials including Republicans are trying to expand access to voting by mail. So it's just something that you know. Iowa seen as a competitive state this year in the presidential race. and. So it's something that I think. Some people see as being able to affect the outcome of the election in this state. What is Iowa Secretary of Paul Pate? Who's also Republican set about this? So he says that this democratic brought lawsuit is just going to confuse voters further and he says it would prevent his office from carrying out a mass mailing of absentee ballot request forms. He's planning to send blank forms, all active registered voters in Iowa and the directive he sent out that said, they can only be blank forms included this provision for sending out forms to all voters which parties both parties support in this state. The lawyer for the Democratic groups doesn't agree that their lawsuit would block the mass mailing of these absentee ballot request forms. Okay Here's our will start sending these absentee ballots voters on October fifth. Does it look like this issue will be resolved by then? Well it needs to be at least temporarily resolved by Von. For example, these ballot requests that have already been block these temporary injunctions. So at some point, the rules will have to be set for this election, but the lawsuits could continue to play out after November third. That's Iowa public radio's katharina historic. Thank you so much. Thank you. Let's turn to another battleground state. Now, North Carolina where absentee ballots will start going out tomorrow to voters request them and state election officials are scrambling to keep up with the record number of absentee ballot requests amid fears of the corona virus from north. Carolina public radio Rusty Jacobs reports requests for absentee by mail ballots in north. Carolina are already more than sixteen times ahead of where they were four years ago Catalbas College Political Science Professor Michael. Bitter says that means North Carolina could've well over a million absentee by mail votes cast this fall compared to just under two hundred, thousand, twenty, sixteen it would be a new day in. North. Carolina voting. Because of the coronavirus pandemic, Berkeley Bryant says deciding to vote absentee by mail. This year was a no brainer. I didn't feel comfortable going in person I was concerned about my health concerned about the health of my family and friends that I'm still being around. But the twenty six year old says she does worry North Carolina won't be able to handle this year's soon Nami of absentee by mail votes, local elections, officials like union counties, Candice Lopez don't sound too alarmed Lopez says, her office has doubled the number of staff assigned to processing absentee requests. We'll also had a team of individuals that will do Steph are packets which includes the. Instructions from the state and a voted early sticker coz everybody loves those in predominantly. Democratic? Greene County with around seven thousand registered voters elections director trae cash says he's looking at a fifty percent budget increase for this election season because of more absentee ballot requests, as well as extra safety measures for polling sites or adding more labels we're adding more envelopes, adding sneeze guards or adding cleaning supplies. Digital. Poll workers. World elections. This is Ellen and Durham's elections board set up a call center to deal with the high volume of absentee by Miller quests. And that requests for you can send to it's either by mail email or fax, or you can also deliver to us in person to our offices baseless claims of absentee voter fraud from the White House and cost cutting measures proposed by postmaster general and trump appointee Louis to joy have stoked fears of undue delays in the timely delivery of absentee ballots. To joy is defended his actions as necessary as heard on C. Span at a Senate committee hearing. Last month moving forward to shine to have any negative impact on on the election is outrageous claim to joy said, he would postpone further cutbacks until after election day just to state attorneys general filed lawsuits to block the moves. Still stayed in local elections, officials are urging voters to submit their absentee requests and completed ballots as early as possible. But for some voters like forty, six year old Neil Curry the act of casting a ballot in person sacred the paralegal was raised by her grandparents who gave her firsthand accounts of the struggle for civil rights. This is my way of saying, thank you is actually going to the polls and actually exercising that right to vote not just need but my children and. My Children's children as for fears of the Corona Virus Corey notes. She goes to the grocery store and stay safe by wearing the mask and maintaining proper social distance, and she'll do the same when she goes to the polls for here. Now, I'm Rusty Jacobs. and Are you planning to vote by mail or castor ballot. In Person We would love to hear about your concerns and questions about voting in this year's election just write us at here now dot org. As we barreled towards the election where touching down across the country to look at House races in our here now, district profile series this week. Let's turn to Maine's second congressional district where the Democratic Congressman Jared golden is trying to hold onto the seat. He narrowly flipped two years ago his challenger the Republican a former state REP Dale Crafts Steve Mesler is chief political correspondent and statehouse bureau chief for main public, radio. Hi Steve. How are you good tell us a little more about this district ended voting. Hey how are you? Good. Tell us a little more about this district and its voting record. Yeah. It's a really interesting district. It's the largest east of the Mississippi and just in terms of land mass but it's also very intriguing because it's very purple. I mean golden won that seat in two thousand eighteen but and just two years after Donald. Trump won that district by ten points and then before trump on it Obama won it twice convincingly. Maniacs like to mess with us. We'll take a look at the incumbent Democrat Jarrett Golden narrowly, as you said, winning the seat in two, thousand, eighteen flipping it from Republican control he served as a marine in Iraq and Afghanistan. Here's a recent campaign ad. We're living through times more difficult than we've ever known a dangerous new disease has taken the lives of tens of thousands of our friends, family members, and neighbors claim the livelihoods of tens of millions more, and we still face a tax on our healthcare on rights and equality. Non Our very democracy. We need principal leaders will work together. So what does congressman golden's record been like and what is he running on? Well he's running on a couple of things that you you mentioned he mentioned healthcare and that ad and I think that that's going to be central to his reelection bid at just as it was in two thousand, eighteen I mean one of the reasons why he was able to flip that seat I think was that health care for him in other Democrats across the country it was a winning issue, and so that was front and center of his campaign, and he's also happens to be a good fit for that particular district in the sense that he is a combat veteran served tours one in Afghanistan and other in Iraq in Maine has one of the highest if not the highest. Per capita populations of veterans in its state. So the veterans vote is a very important one and he made veterans, issues and housing and other matters central to his platform, and he's also talking about keeping big money out of politics. You know making a big, and this is another thing that R- Democrats are doing in other races to in in the sense that he you know he says he's not taking corporate pack money. Those are issues I think he believes will will lift him to a second term it's considered a tossup or maybe leans democratic. But it's been very little polling really know where the race actually stands at the moment. Well now to the Republican Dale Crafts here in recent ad, he talks about a motorcycle accident in nineteen eighty three that left him paralyzed. PRECAUT- worked in front of me on my motorcycle. I was paralyzed. But I never quit. I built businesses employing hundreds of mainers. Protected our Second Amendment Rights. In, passed the largest tax cut in Maine history. Again a former state rep tell us more about Dale crafts both these men with military one with this terrible accident have. A backstory. But what issues is he running on? Why Think It's interesting because Dale Crafts as you mentioned is a former state legislator but he really wasn't really that well known here I mean he was certainly well known within his caucus but in the in the primary, he just one which was a three way contest. It was all about loyalty to the President Donald Trump that really marked the campaign on issues. There was very little difference between the three Republican challengers, but they'll crafts had for one. He had a big endorsement from former governor Republicans Paula page who is considered a bit of a trump prototype. Well, we understand president trump also endorsed the Republican Dale. Crafts. Just wondering we know you've got a Senate race there with Susan Collins Facing Democrat Sarah. Gideon. And two independents, and some are saying Maine voters might be punishing her for not taking on trump more. What's the sense in this race just briefly of what president trump's endorsement means. Why I think it's helpful in the district that golden is running in the second congressional district. As we mentioned earlier voted for trump by ten percentage points in twenty sixteen and I think Dale Crafts is hoping that that is going to help him in this particular race, which is fundamentally different than the raced Susan Collins has to run because she's always positioned herself as a centrist in an independent the not necessarily loyal to the president in fact, came out against his candidacy in two thousand sixteen. But just to complete that thought, you'd think that this is a good thing. Fidel crafts. In this particular district that he has that endorsement I think it could be I. think she also has to be careful because because again, look at the history of that district and look at the fact that that district voted for jared golden who ran as an independent and he certainly wasn't a supporter of Donald, trump although he has kept him at arm's length and not really of his way to criticize the president. Well, we will follow this all with Steve Mesler chief political correspondent in State House. Bureau chief for Main Public Radio Steve Thank you thank you for having me. Here now so production of NPR WBU association with the BBC World Service I'm Robin Young. I'm Tanya Moseley. This is here now. I'm Peter o'dowd college students across the country are returning to campus and many are bringing the coronavirus with them. We as college students are socially starved, not fully mentally developed eighteen to twenty two year olds who. 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"From NPR and Wbz I'm Robin Young I'm Peter o'dowd. This is here now with fifteen days before election day president trump is on the campaign trail in Arizona where he's holding rallies in two different cities his opponent Joe Biden is meeting with advisers and preparing for the final presidential debate on Thursday. Let's get the latest from the twenty twenty campaign NPR. Political correspondent Osma holidays here and Osma let's start. With trump's rally in Michigan on Saturday, he again when after Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, who's a Democrat who imposed pandemic restrictions in the state that trump has criticized and of course, it was recently discovered that she was the subject of an alleged kidnapping plot by a militia group trump said over the weekend that she should open up the state opened up the schools in the crowd responded with this. Let's listen. Lock. Lock. Lock her up there. Saying, here's Governor Whitmer responding yesterday on meet the press. It's incredibly disturbing that the president of the United States ten days after a plot to kidnap, put me on trial and execute me ten days after that was uncovered, the president is at it again and inspiring and incentivizing and. Inciting this kind of domestic terrorism, it is wrong. Osma there's about two weeks left until the election president trump is behind in the polls including in Michigan? Why is he still focusing on Gretchen Whitmer Well, Peter. I think it really comes down to this is where he feels most comfortable, right? I mean the trump campaign has struggled with a consistent message all throughout this reelection endeavor and when we see what does president trump loved to do he loves to resort to what is most comfortable in common for him and that means you know sort of a critiquing. Different female politicians you know relishing that sort of lock her up chant that we often heard resorting to immigration language I. mean these are all kind of a pullback to the classic greatest hits of the two thousand, sixteen campaign. The challenge there for for the president is that this is not the two thousand sixteen election cycle. He has been the incumbent now for a couple of years, and this election is largely seen by most analysts as being a referendum on how he's governed and most explicitly handled the coronavirus pandemic. Would to that point, he continues to undermine scientists and medical experts on the risk of the virus and last night on sixty minutes. Dr Anthony Fauci said that he wasn't surprised that the president got sick especially after the Rose Garden ceremony for Judge Amy Coney Barrett on September twenty six. Of course you remember this was a crowded event no social distancing very few masks. When I saw that on TV I said Oh my goodness. Nothing good can come out of that. That's got be a problem and then sure enough it turned out to be a super spreader event. What do you make of this continued public disagreement between Dr Foundry and President Trump. So Really I. Think it speaks to a broader sort of. Of Opinion Between Joe, Biden and Donald. Trump. You know we saw over the weekend trump mocked the fact that biden he says, we'll listen to the scientists and he said at a rally that if he had listened to the scientists, the country would now be in a massive depression and we've consistently heard Joe Biden point questions about the veracity of some of the claims that Donald. Trump has made and the degree that he feels the president downplayed the corona virus. So to me the conflict we've seen we've seen to date between Dr FAO. G, and the president is part of just a broader conflict that we've seen between the president and various scientific advisers, the scientific community, and you could argue even just overall belief and trust in the scientific process around this. We'll for his part Joe Biden is still being cautious. He's not holding the kinds of big rallies that trump is having this week and he's now spending time preparing for the last debate. What should we be looking forward to on Thursday after that first disastrous debate and then the second debate that was just canceled. Well as we have now, president trump is not one to engage in traditional kind of boot camp debate prep We have been told by a source familiar with abiding campaign that part of schedule today at least does involve debate preps. So there's clearly just a difference in how they're both approaching. Thursday. Look I. Think there's a lot on the line and more specifically I would say for Donald Trump because is down in the polls right now and we're in a situation where millions of people have already begun voting. But. Can either one of them dramatically changed the trajectory on one night I would say that is the only night that either one of them has dramatically change the trajectory of this race at this point. So a lot is on the line, but I would argue, Moore's is on the line for President trump given the fact that he does seem to be down in a number of polls, not just nationally but in very key swing states that he needs the NPR political correspondent. Awesome. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Right about now many families are having tough conversations about Thanksgiving should they gather or not covid nineteen is on the rise and let's hear again from Dr Anthony Fauci this time in a CBS interview last week. A. My thanksgiving is going to look very different. This year I would love to have it with my children. But my children are in three separate states throughout the country and in order for them to get here. They would all have to go to an airport get on a plane travel with public transportation they themselves because of their concern for me in my age have decided, they're not going to come home for Thanksgiving. And earlier in the month, his colleague Dr Deborah burks warned that covid nineteen transmission is different than it was in the spring as people move indoors that contact tracing data from Utah shows that eighty percent of their transmission is occurring between household members and gatherings. Let's bring emory university's Dr Carlos del Rio in in Atlanta Dr del Rio, could you address why transmission between family members is rising Dr burks talks about how with humidity dropping it allows those respiratory droplets to stay in the air longer. Well Robin I think inside the house where close to each other, we're not wearing a mask. We're basically sharing a common space and that increases the risk of transmission and we know from different studies if you're infected and you go back to your household about twenty percent of the people living in that house or we're going to affect, it may be a lot higher because it really depends on the. Kind of living conditions that durant look I'm looking at headlines. Here's one from the Chicago area from the Chicago Tribune that a teenager Gay covid nineteen to eleven relatives across four states in a family vacation I it just seems so transmissible and talk about another reason this might be happening. We know that if you're living with family members, you're pretty much safe with them if you all know that you. Are Sick. You're pretty much safer. The people that you're currently living with but I've seen this firsthand. If you go to other family members, you tend to forget I mean they're so familiar to you. It feels like they're part of your pod, but they're really not you haven't been living with them. Even even family you know I, mean you know I. Live with my wife, but she's she's working at the hospital one hospital. I'm working at another hospital she could potentially get infected. So even even among ourselves, we tried to be sure that I tell people that early in the morning I checked myself to be sure I'm okay you know fuel code but the most important thing I smell my coffee and if I can spell my coffee, that's my rapid tests that I do every more. And I think we all confront this right when we're trying to travel in visit family members and be with family members that we think will this is my sister and therefore she should be okay because she's my sister but the reality is That she could have been infected. She could have a teenager that could bring the infection. So we seal this this clusters of transmission occurring within families when people get together when people gather and that's when you start looking at the holidays and you really get very concerned because this could be a time that a lot of transmission can occur between Thanksgiving Christmas new years because people are going to be getting together with people that they feel comfortable with when the reality is there could be transmission happening right. So what do you suggest first of all people who are thinking of flying to see someone there's you know cautions. There but what do you suggest about possibilities for getting together with people? Who is it? Okay if it's outside, can you share food? Well, one of the things I would say first of all flying actually learn from variety different studies that actually flying maybe pretty safe. The planes are actually doing very well as far as you know, filtering the air filtering particles many of the airlines are mandating mask and people obviously need to wear incorrectly but I think the airlines are safe. What it may be a little more challenging is that trip to the airport you know the taxi, the Uber the walking around the airport how? Crowded you know security may be that may be a little more challenging. So wearing a mask wearing eye protection when you are if you decide to travel is something that I always recommend particularly during holiday season when there's GonNa be a lot of people travelling number two is I. Think it's okay to share food but think about making a gathering that a smaller in other words have have less than ten people at the gathering. Make sure everybody the gathering is healthy. Make sure that you have some social distancing when people are eating. So you know no, no everybody hanging out together not everybody you know hugging each other. But trying to keep some social distancing. If you can get people tested I think that's useful. But again, remember attest helps you identify goose infected not necessarily WHO's not. So I'll give you my personal example I plan to travel to to visit my daughter who's having a baby right around the time of thanksgiving. So I plan to go up to to see her and will probably get Cope me and my wife will get covered tested about twenty four to forty eight hours before we travel, and then we will you know be wearing our mask most of the time and we will be trying to keep some social distancing. Safe doing that. Yeah I feel safe. But again, you know we're not going to be hanging out with a lot of people were going to hang out with with her and her husband who have also been mostly endorse and who hopefully will be negative. You know I definitely would not compete comfortable if all of a sudden a lot of her friends come to this, right Dr Carlos del Rio professor of global. Health and Epidemiology at emory university in Atlanta with some thoughts about what everybody's thinking about what to do during Thanksgiving doctor. Thank you the lining to talk to you. This past weekend at a rally president trump mocked Joe Biden. He'll research the scientists if I listen totally to the scientists we would right now have a country that would be an a massive depression instead of well like a rocket ship take a look at the numbers tombstones loved it. Other Americans may have wondered why and why are they so angry or Michael Dell thinks he has at least part of the answer he's the Rock Star policy philosophy professor at Harvard. He says in addition to jobs that have moved overseas due to globalization or huge disparities in income there's another inequity the huge number of Americans who haven't attended a four year school. Professor Sandel put it in an op Ed disdain for the less educated is the last acceptable prejudice and he says to bridge this gap. We have to reexamine the notion in our meritocracy that if you work hard enough, you can make it and he says if you did, there's a good chance you had help Michael Dell's book is the tyranny of Merit what's become of the common good. It's fascinating. He joins US now welcome. Good to be with you robin and you know I can just hear the voices saying and maybe mind saying a little bit too. If we're honest wait a minute I worked for everything I have briefly just remind US Donald Trump for instance, inherited two, hundred, million dollars from his father is that kind of part of what you mean it is Robin. There is a tendency to believe that our successes our own doing, but this leads us to forget luck family teachers, coaches what what I call meritocratic Hubris and it goes along with A. Tendency to look down on those less fortunate or less credential than ourselves. Okay there I'm sure there are listeners who really really really did pull them up by their own bootstraps singlehandedly and we want acknowledge that too. But you take us through where this noble idea of a taxi came from the founding fathers wanting to move from an aerostat crecy inherited power to one based on merit meritocracy. But then you also explain how moralities soon enters the picture. The Bible in part says, if you make it, you're blessed if you don't get a plague. Right, and that brings out the dark side of meritocracy. It certainly inspiring to tell people you can make it if you try. But the implication those who struggle, it must be their fault in a funny way you write the English might have had it easier because? They knew they were in an aristocracy. The power is just going to be handed down two sons, likely daughters, and so they didn't flame themselves here it becomes internalized and here's some of the stats. It's easier rise from poverty Germany Denmark Canada than the US Americans now born poor tend to stay poor. and. So let's go to one of the reasons you say this is happening the cousin of if you work hard you'll succeed is if you don't go to a four year college, you can't succeed. You. Remind US sat's were created by then head of Harvard to get more qualified students from the Midwest who were not in this sort of blew bloodstream that had been feeding Ivy League schools. But you say that it just doesn't work because schools have little impact on upper mobility. Most of the students there are well off in the first place. Today. There is a very close correlation between the income of your family and the likelihood of how well you will score and despite generous financial aid. Still it's the case. Then in Ivy League universities, there are more students from the top one percent. In there are from the entire bottom half of the country. And even if somehow, we could create a truly level playing field there would still be a flaw in the meritocratic ideal, and this has to do with the attitudes toward winning and losing that accompanies meritocratic society those attitudes I think. have deepened the resentment that have come along with the inequality of income and wealth that we've seen in recent decades it isn't just. That working people have faced stagnant wages and job losses. It's also That, those who've landed on top have come to believe that their success is their own doing. That those left behind must deserve their fate as well and this sense of being looked down upon sense of humiliation I think is a big part of what enables politicians like trump to succeed. What will let's stay with college for second because there's a sort of an arms race going on, which is one of the reasons that the people with more money have more kids in these schools because they're probably getting sat tutors or sending their kids abroad in the summer to beef. Up Their resumes by having them work on some good will mission I. Mean. If the current college seniors ungenerous to losers those who are left out, it's also oppressive to winners. It's making these kids nervous wrecks in other words, merit has become a tyrant. So you have suggestions yours and others and you start with colleges. You say, how about you just have to have a certain level of grades then from that group choose who actually goes to school according to a lottery right lottery. Of qualified places like Harvard and Stanford get over forty thousand applicants each year for about two thousand places run a lottery. What I'm hoping to prompt is a greater recognition of the role of luck. We've turned those adolescent years into a kind of stress strewn meritocratic gauntlet by the time they arrived in college there shellshocked. So the tyranny of merit exerts its oppressive character to those who were excluded and who denied dignity in steam in the society not to say, we'll help paying jobs. As well but it also oppresses even the winners. A lottery would help some climb up toward college but not everybody wants to, and this brings us to instead of making success conditioned on rising up that ladder, which implies fleeing where you are the improve and also respect where people are. You mentioned a Republican strategist owing cast. He says Republicans should not push corporate tax cuts and free trade to boost the GDP focus instead on workers including a government wage subsidy for low income workers. Renewed the dignity of work and put the question of the dignity of work right at the center of our political debate. We've focused too single-mindedly. On addressing the deepening inequality by saying, go to college what you earn will depend on what you learn. You can make it if you try and argued that this is an inadequate response what we should be doing instead is focusing less on arming people for meritocratic competition and focus more on the dignity of work, but I also think the dignity of. Work is more than merely economic. It has to do with according respect and recognition and socialist team. So what I'm calling for really Robin is a shift away from seeing individual upward mobility as the only solution to inequality, and instead trying to make life better for those who don't have a four year college degree and nearly two thirds of Americans do not. two-thirds. We, forget this and yet we woefully under invest in the forms of learning on which the majority of our fellow citizens depend state colleges, two year community colleges, and vocational and technical training. We don't accord these forms of learning the honor and respect that they do and that they have in other countries such as Germany. It's kind of funnier main point restoring the dignity of work because we're doing that at least in the short term now suddenly. Making some of our most low paid workers, heroes, orderlies in hospitals and cashiers. We know we can do it but as far as actually making change you know we've been here before you give props to Michael Young Nineteen fifty-eight book the rise of meritocracy he thought it was great. The class barriers being broken. The children of the working class could rise, but he predicted huber's humiliation would be inevitable. It would set up a false value system mistaking achievement for human worth. So how else make this change? I. Mean Donald Trump never says. If you try, which was President Obama's rallying cry Donald Trump says that he uses the language of grievance. He says, there's winners and losers and they think you're losers should Democrats stop saying you can make it in America if you just work hard. I think Democrats and Republicans have made the mistake of assuming that the rhetoric of rising. The idea that you can make it if you try. Is An adequate response. The rhetoric of rising is not enough and what what these mainstream politicians in parties missed was the insult implicit in this meritocratic offer of mobility. It was highly conditional. If you get a four year college degree, then you will have a chance to rise. I. Think that Democrats have had a kind of tin ear to the anger to the press tradition to the resentments that have been building. Donald Trump proved adept at tapping into that sense of grievance and I think we also. Need to remind those on top of the role of luck and good fortune recognizing the role of lot can prompt a certain humility. Humility is the civic virtue we need now and just to underscore that you're not saying get rid of excellence. We all want to go to the best doctors or have the best plumber you if you are one of those with a combination of luck and hard work, who's WHO's made it a little dollop of there but for the grace of. God, go i. Towards someone who hasn't? We'll go a long way real. Michael Sandel professor of Pali, Cy and philosophy at Harvard is the tyranny of Merit. What's become common good. Michael thank you so much. Thank you Robin. Support for here now in the following message come from MIT's system design and management jointly offered by MIT's School of Engineering and the MIT's Sloan School of management. Earn a Master's in engineering and management stm educates, mid career professionals to solve complex challenges at the intersection of business and technology with over twenty years of on-campus Hybrid, and distance education experience join, Virtual Info Session on Wednesday October twenty first from seven to eight PM. STM DOT MIT? Dot. Edu. Federal judge has struck down a trump administration rule that would've eliminated food stamps for nearly hundred thousand Americans in her ruling on Sunday. The District Court judge in Washington DC called the trump policy arbitrary and capricious especially during a pandemic that has caused demand for food stamps to rise seventeen percent. Since the outbreak began Ed Bolan is a senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and policy priorities. It's a nonprofit that looks at how budget policies affect low-income households and thanks for joining us. Glad to be here. And so it sounds like snap benefits, which is another way of saying food stamps are safe for the time being, but remind us with the trump administration was trying to do here. Sure. So the trump administration had proposed rule that would have made it much harder for unemployed workers who don't have kids in their homes to get food stamps or snap the administration did it by? Restricting benefits in areas where people could still have trouble finding a job getting to work. So states couldn't continue to provide benefits after a couple of months even if somebody was looking for work or working part time. well, a fair number of people do believe that if someone isn't able bodied adult, no dependence or no children there should be more restrictions on getting food stamps but obviously, the situation is very different. Now, because of the pandemic unemployment is up four times, what it was last year when the policy was first ruled out by the trump administration. But even pre pandemic weren't critic saying that this whole idea was short-sighted anyway absolutely. It is interesting that pandemic shines a light on why states needed to be able to continue to allow folks to get snap if they were low income enough to qualify for it precisely because unemployment hits people in communities. In different ways, we saw the pandemic that mostly low-wage workers were the ones that lost most of the jobs. Those jobs aren't coming back in many industries like the restaurant industry janitors. AIDS all these folks are folks that typically can rely on snap even while they're working but certainly when they're in between jobs so that always existed pre pandemic, those same communities in those same individuals might have job for a couple of months and they need some snap many of them would be working and getting snapped at the same time. So the rule we thought I was arbitrary capricious and harmful to low wage workers who are in and out of jobs, pre pandemic, and especially post pandemic or during the pandemic. In, by the way, we've done a lot of reporting on how food banks around the country are feeling a lot of pressure because so many people have lost their jobs in the pandemic strain has it put on the food stamps system on the snap system. Well, there has been a strain on on snap as well. Agencies State Agencies that operate the program have been swamped although you know it will vary some states got hit harder than other states, but almost every single state, some kind of increase we estimate six million probably more at this point folks have had to turn to snap. But the good thing about snap is that if you can make it through and eligibility system and that has been a struggle during the pandemic partly because a lot of snap offices are closed and agencies are using technology and everybody's trying to do things remotely. But if you can get on, then you get a benefit card and you can use it at a store grocery store Walmart. So it's very efficient and it helps relieve the strain on food banks and community groups that have been startling also meet the needs of people who have lost jobs in their income. At Bolan senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and policy priorities and thanks for you and say pre Shida. Absolutely. Texas has seen a surge of early voting which started in that state last week Democrats, there are trying to take control of the state, House of Representatives and that would be a big deal because Republicans have held all three branches of state government in Texas for more than twenty years actually. Lopez of ut in Austin has been tracking this story for a series and podcast called the big flip actually. Welcome. It really would be a big flip. Wouldn't it? Yeah. It would be A. Huge change it's I don't think it's hyperbole to say Republicans basically control every lever of power on the state level, the governor, the state, House the State Senate. You know even things like land commissioner and Attorney General even just one lever sort of changing to another party would be huge change that would be a big deal in why Democrats think that they could take the house this year is it demographics? Is it economics? It's a little bit of both but mostly demographics because Texas economy. Until recently has been pretty steady. A lot of people have been moving here because a lot of tech jobs have moved here like the economy's been pretty consistent but I think like, of course, nationally, the pandemic has changed all that. But you know the state has been getting more diverse racially and more importantly, it's always been racially diverse but more black and Latino voters are actually casting ballots and that was definitely true in two, thousand eighteen and definitely younger people are voting in larger numbers. So these are groups of people who are more likely to vote for Democrats at you know right now and the suburbs have gotten more democratic and that usually it was a place where Republicans could bank on support and that's been changing. Well, there was a time when Democrats actually held power in Texas and we have some sound here from your series. This is Tom Craddock, who was elected to the Texas House in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, eight by the way he's still there today. But back then he was just one of a handful of Republicans. Remember I introduced by I deal, create a district court midland, and basically were like. Republicans showman introduced bills. You know 'cause there were so few of us. So actually, let's go back in history for just a minute here. What happened in Texas that originally gave Republicans this lock on power that you've described today Yeah. So like this isn't unique to Texas, but there was a big shift that happened in politics around that time especially after LBJ's administration, there was like a generational resorting politics and that definitely changed politics in places like Texas and the South and you know Republicans I won the governorship and then you know years after that it was the Senate and then it Wasn't until the early two thousand and two that Republicans to take over the Texas House and have a lock on all three but it just happened over time you know new strategies the Republicans started spending a lot of money and targeting rural parts, the state, and I mean, that's still a big stronghold for them. So it just it happens slowly over time. But. Then in two thousand, eighteen, just two years ago the Beto Rourke the Democrat did a lot better than people thought he would, and that Senate race particularly in a handful of Republican districts Andrew Regan with Texas. House. Democratic campaign told you It's hard to really get your finger on the rapid change that's happening in these districts because it's both younger more diverse. And it's war college educated than the country. As a whole we've seen the college educated voters specifically have been repelled by both trump and the Republican party initially kind of hinted at this already. But was that Senate race two years ago kind of a prelude to what we're talking about now in this election. Totally, and if nothing else it was a trial balloon, it was a way to like for the. Democrats to see where is it that we have voters now in places where Republicans have been winning elections and specifically, there are nine districts that better work one that Republicans won the Statehouse, and these are places where Democrats are kind of bullish. Like there are people willing to vote for a majority of Democrats are willing to vote for a Democrat. They're now Republicans would say this is because of Beto Beto is a unique thing that happened in Texas Politics but Democrats No. This is about changing demographics. This is about something larger than better over Oregon. So that's why that election to. With something really interesting will in fact, here's Republican. Political Consultant Lucia sues talking about just that Republicans are going to hold onto the house because Texans do not want to move our state in the direction of the socialist policies that the Democrat Party has a stab as their platform moving forward. So yes, Texas has been a traditionally red state, but let's just say that Luke Messiahs is wrong in the Democrats do when the house, how does that change politics in the state of Texas? Likely just if Democrats the house, just likely fewer things will happen. You know I guess on the. Negative side of that, there would just be a discussion of things that may be Republicans haven't wanted to talk about before you know Texas is one of the few states in the country that hasn't expanded Medicaid for example, and then of course, the big thing is redistricting because at twenty twenty one is a redistricting year. So Texas has already seen pretty big turnout in early voting already this year before Election Day what does that offer any clues what might happen? No I never you know it is like historically like early voting doesn't tell you much about outcomes. I mean, if you were to just look at early voting. In two, thousand, eighteen, you would have thought that work was going to win but election day votes are so massive that I it just you never know what's going to happen especially during a pandemic but historically speaking like early voting doesn't tell you enough. It does show however that Democrats are energized and mobilized than they've been in a long time and I. Think you could have told people could have told you that before people started heading to the polls for early voting. Well. We're GONNA find out soon. Aren't we? Lopez reporter for K. UT in Austin they you so much. Thank you. Let's go Granville. County. In North Carolina, a swing county in a swing state that could be crucial to the winner of the Presidential Race Granville County outside the city of Durham went for Barack Obama in two thousand twelve and then flipped to president trump for years ago North Carolina public radio's Rusty Jacobs has been to Granville County several times to speak with voters and he has her story. I met Linda smart a couple of weeks ago as she was taking an afternoon walk in. Granville Park with her husband Henry it was just before the first presidential debate smart as sixty-six-year-old registered Republican. Who describes herself as a one time liberal her husband retired from the airforce and she says, she trusts trump to support the military and defend law enforcement and that support has faded even after presidential debate she described as terrible. They were both just antagonizing each other and saying it they don't. Tell you what they're gonNA. Do they tell you what the other person isn't GonNa do or would he lied about doing smart even confessed to thinking former vice president Joe Biden had a more presidential manner than trump i. feel bad saying that because I want dignity for the country and respect I. WanNa. But. Most of the whitest don't WanNa go socialist I caught up with sixty four year David Quinn at his historic home near downtown Oxford Queens a registered unaffiliated voter and like Linda smart was disgusted by the debate but Quinn says he's sticking with President trump anyway. Do. I like trump personally not really Why? Like what trump is doing from a policy perspective? Yes. Queen isn't even moved by New York. Times expose that reported the wealthy presidents federal income tax bill was only seven hundred and fifty dollars the year he took office I would expect anybody in on that level of operation to be leveraging the tax code every which way they can Granville County has a little more than thirty eight thousand. Registered voters with a solid mix of registered Democrats, Republicans, and unaffiliated voters Meredith College political. Science Professor David maclennan describes Granville as a quintessential exurban battleground caught smack DAB in the middle of the red conservative countryside and the blue urban areas of the research triangle. In reality the voting patterns indicate that it's almost a fifty fifty county creed more is where I I found. Walter. Blackwell cutting the hair of a toe hit teen at the major league barbershop. Blackwell's a forty one year old registered Democrat and a black single working mother of three. She's trying to make ends meet while helping her kids with remote learning during the Kobe nineteen pandemic. When I spoke with her blackwell said, she believes president trump's divisive rhetoric has made the country more hostile and she fears for her children I just want to grow. Up in a world, they don't have to be afraid where they go ahead how they look but still blackwill insisted she had not made up her mind about the presidential race but that was before the first debate now she says that contentious affair told her everything she needed to know about the current president Abbas floored I was like no way inhale vote. Blackwill says she's convinced the Democratic ticket would better protect access to affordable healthcare and the interests of working class people like her. Still it's hard to tell whether that view will prevail in a county that went for Donald Trump, by just two and a half percentage points for years ago for here, and now I'm Rusty Jacobs. We've been hearing a certain theme start this week. The number of new cases of covid nineteen is rising dramatically up by nearly a third in recent weeks according to the New York Times public health experts are warning of a new surge and Derek Thompson has some thoughts and how we can stop it. In fact, his headline is the Covid nineteen fall surge is here. We can stop it Derek Thompson a staff writer at the Atlantic he joins us from Washington as he does every Monday ahead, Derek. Hey as. Well according to you hopefully being you know that's something we need to hear. We can stop it and people listening. It's maybe as simple as opening a door and a window on opposite sides of a classroom. We're going to get to that but Derek before that, these numbers are grim. Where do you get this notion that this surge can be stopped? Well, two large buckets I would say the first is on the therapeutic side. We're just doing a lot better in terms of treating this disease when people show up at the hospital. Mortality Rates contingent on hospitalization have declined by a lot in Europe. In the US this is still a dangerous a disease, but it is not. Nearly as fatal as it was in March or April when you had all these sites doctors who didn't understand what was eight novel and still is a novel coronavirus that's number one number two is even on the non medical side. We're learning a lot about you know how to how to act understanding that there's a pandemic the evidence around the efficacy of masks. Has Really increased the evidence around the danger of crowded indoors has become impossible to ignore and so not only. Are. People working in big Pharma Smarter about this doctors smarter about this. But so are we and if we simply look at the evidence around the world, I think that we have a chance to stop a clear fall surge from becoming a winner catastrophe. Americans to embrace empiricism. This is science people you know what's what is laid out right in front of us, but also in perfection because right now, there's no silver bullet, but there might be a whole bunch of bronze bullets as you put it and to do that to understand that better. Let's look at South Korea for instance, which has managed to avoid large scale lockdowns and stay at home orders and gone with more masks more tracing. Yeah. I think people looking at the South Korean example which has really been an extraordinary success story in terms of the response to covid. Sometimes assume that South Korea must have locked everything down like China did and like some countries in Europe did they did not people who I talked to in Seoul in April said, they were never on lockdown instead the country focused on places like bars and nightclubs crowding was essentially inevitable. Instead they focused on universal ask a mask wearing and they also focused and making sure that places that might inevitably. Lead to indoor crowding would essentially be shut down and maybe even bailed out they also had really impressive test and trace protocols to essentially back trace large super spreading events to figure out exactly how they happened and get everybody to isolate as fast as possible. They simply had a much more organized, much more impure oracle top down governmental strategy to take this on than the US where it's been a little bit more federalized, a little more ad hoc and certainly a lot more scattershot at. The federal level when and they pay attention to the science to there's a new research that estimates that when an infected person and a non infected person both wear masks, it can reduce the chance of transmission to the non-infected person by up to eighty percent. So in other words, they can get that non infected person wearing a mask won't be as sick because they won't get infected as much if they do get infected and so they're paying attention to that. Let's move over to Vietnam. Vietnam posted a fine for people who? Posted fake or distorted information social media. They had a song that everybody Sing Jealous Corona virus. What else did they? Were I think. So interesting about Vietnam this country is right next door to China and has so far in a nation of ninety five million people announced an official covid nineteen count of thirty, five, thirty five. That's rough number of Americans dying of this disease every hour and a half. So even if you say, you don't believe that thirty five number because you you think they're fussing with their numbers well, they've returned to normal life throughout many parts of Vietnam. Much fashion the returned to so called normal life in America, and that's in large part because the government has been extremely exquisitely clear with citizens about the threat of this outbreak since January, you have had a very clear message. From the government saying where masks socially distance wash your hands they texted people's phones they have created these viral videos viral song that the one that you mentioned on the Jealous Corona virus. There's just been a very clear and Organiz message again from the top that says, this is the disease that we're facing and here are some bronze bullets empirical but imperfect ways that we can all fight together I just WANNA mention Japan quickly because they also did masks and tracing. But now they're getting kids back to school with things like plastic dividers that slow down the spread of these droplets and opening doors and windows on opposite sides I mean there are simple things in the few seconds we had. Masks social distance ventilation again, these silver bullets they are bronze bullets, their empirical, but the imperfect but all together, five bronze bullets can be almost the equivalent of one silver bullet. There in Steph writer at the Atlantic. Giving us so much hope impracticality. Derek. Thank you. Thank you. We're going to open all the doors and windows here now as production of NPR WR in association with the BBC. World. Service I'm Robin Young and I'm Peter o'dowd this is here and now

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February 18, 2019: Hour 1

"Support for here. And now comes from legalzoom for those wanting to start a business or secure their family's future from wills and trusts to LLC's and trademarks legalzoom is committed to helping people. Get started legalzoom dot com slash now from NPR and WB. You are I'm Robin young. It's here and now Friday's storm over President Trump's emergency declaration to repurpose money from the military to build his border wall has not died down Democrats in congress are expected to introduce a resolution expressing disapproval which is expected to pass though, probably not survive a presidential veto and lawsuits are gathering with the storm clouds, we have presidential historian. Douglas Brinkley standing by. But we start with USA today. Immigration reporter, Alan Gomez. Hi, Allen Cairo and give us a sense. Who's filing lawsuits? Well, this is going to really be a lot of lawsuits that ended up getting filed. We've already had a couple filed one by the an advocacy group called Public Citizen on behalf of several Texas landowners, who might have their land taken from them through eminent domain to build the border wall. We've had a lawsuit filed by the citizens for biological diversity that are seeking documents that were used to formulate this national emergency. But the big ones really are gonna come in the coming days. We have the ACLU and other immigration advocacy, groups that are really looking into this and preparing a lawsuit that they say they'll file early this week. And then we have another one from state's attorneys-general that one's being led by California and already just in the last couple of days, we've gotten states from New Mexico, Oregon, Minnesota, New Jersey, Hawaii, Connecticut, Colorado all signing on and saying that they will be part of that lawsuit. And so this is probably going to be tied up in the courts for for some time. Counselor Kellyanne Conway's husband, this is George Conrad the third who's a conservative lawyer. And a Trump critic tweeted out that Mr. Trump must know that he's going to lose because Trump did say he expected to go all the way to the supreme court. And therefore, he knows he's violating the constitution and laws. He's sworn to uphold is he though because we know the constitution does mandate that it's congress that appropriates money funds. But there was a nineteen seventy six law that introduced the power of the presidential emergency resolution. So we're presuming that's going to be the president's defense already has. Exactly. And this is as we've seen so many times we entering uncharted territory when it comes to the president and his use of executive authority. The problem is there is no definition of a national -mergency in US law. This the a lot of differences given to the executive to the president to declare national emergency and courts have historically given presidents a lot of attitude when it comes to this. And when we finally end up before the supreme court, that's where the president himself said he feels comfortable that he's going to win. And we just have to look at recent history to show an example of that his travel ban that was struck down by several courts. But ultimately was upheld by the supreme court cases. Well, we had a situation where his words we're working against him. He a lot of lower courts a lot of judges had said that he displayed racial animus when formulating that travel ban. But in the end, the five four conservative majority of the court ended up. Siding with the president. Well, what about the he has been huge discussion on even the use of the emergency resolution? There was that exchange on Fox News Sunday with host Chris Wallace and White House senior policy adviser, Stephen Miller over immigration statistics that the Trump administration is using to justify the emergency declaration. Let's listen to a little four times as many people were coming across the border and nine thousand has now why is that an accident? Ninety five percent could be turned around in a matter of days as a result of loopholes. And it went on Miller was repeatedly asked whereas the emergency Henny often said, well, we don't know what we don't know. In other words, there may be people coming, and we don't know. And that's why they don't show up in the statistics Allen. You have studied this steeply. What are the statistics about border crossings? I mean, both sides in that case do make a correct point overall illegal immigration overall apprehensions at the southern border are at historic lows, but would Miller squeezed in. There was the fact that the the nature of illegal immigration or the nature of migration across borders. Change were in before it used to be predominantly single men from Mexico coming over here to work. And now the majority are family units from Central America that are seeking asylum. So that has changed the way that the US government has had to respond to it. They have been overwhelmed. Their systems are not prepared for that. But do family units coming to the border presenting themselves ports of entry to request asylum crossing illegally literally finding border patrol agents. So that they can turn themselves in and request asylum. That is different, but is that a national emergency? And that's the question that we're going to be seen in courts. And that's what's going to be played. USA today immigration reporter. Thank you. Thank you. Well, now, let's bring in historian Douglas Brinkley professor of history at Rice University. Doug, welcome happy presidents day. We know this is big day for you. Yes. It is. I went for president stay last Friday to my middle school daughter's class in gay four different lectures on presidential history. So today, I'm kinda relaxing. I feel like I've done my due diligence. Well, we want you to do some more because we want to put this in context. Let's listen to another clip from Stephen Miller's interview with Chris Wallace about the emergency declaration. This is when Wallace was trying to press him on other cases. Let's listen. Can you name one case where a president has asked congress for money? Congress has refused and the president has then invoked natural powers to get the money anyway. Well, this current situations or no, sir. The current situation pertains specifically to the military. He went on to talk about Belarus and other times they've been emergency declarations. But he couldn't really answer that question. So we put it to you has this happened before. No, this was another one of those unprecedented. Donald Trump moments. Now, of course, there have been precedents that have used emergency powers, particularly in wartime. You know, ABRAHAM LINCOLN and the civil war and FDR. What's unique about this is that Donald Trump simply got shut down in congress and wants to grab money in moving into a different kitty and the power of the purse belongs to congress, not the White House. And if he's lucky it'll get to the supreme court, and there he might have a chance. But it's a a lot of gambling. And he's eating up a lot of oxygen on doing this sort of unprecedented Enron of congress and the constitution. We'll just to follow up on on your points. There. This nineteen Seventy-six law has been used about five dozen times thirty one of those emergencies are active, but as the New York Times explains most of them dealt with as you said foreign crises or involved freezing property or blocking trade the White House. When asked for you know, in a follow up could they cite any times that they've been used by presidents to spend money without legislative approval. They only found once by President George Bush in nineteen ninety but this was you know, responding to a new event the Persian Gulf war and by his son President, George W Bush in two thousand one after the terrorist attacks in New York. So it wasn't as much as if congress denied it was as if they need to immediately respond to events Birch. Right. And if I had to pick an analogy to this in some way. His I would look in Iran contra when Ronald Reagan did not like the news that congress didn't wanna fund the contras in Nicaragua. And instead he there his administration started finding ways to get funding for the contras. So this isn't like that qasis quite transparent Donald Trump's declaration, but it's not being met with with great enthusiasm, even in the Republican party. Well, he does have supporters. We're going to get to that. But talk more about this particular president in this particular time because he has made threats before that others feel were unconstitutional. For instance, announcing a plan to end the constitutional guarantee of birthright citizenship bicyc- it of order or declaring on the campaign trail that Hillary Clinton would be in jail. If he were president. That's when we started getting all those locker up comments and people have been pointing out that this national emergency comes with a lot. More special provisions in Americans might know, there's about one hundred including he can activate laws allowing him to shut down electron of communication inside the US or freeze Americans Bank accounts talk about concerns of presidential power at this point. That's what we're dealing with. It's about presidential power. Donald Trump loves the word power the idea power. He likes mobilizing in marshaling his own power. The problem is he does has really no sense of American history or constitutional law. His whole business Crispin is gut player. That's done him. Well, just make a decision. He sees this right now as a political problem. Well, polls show that most Americans do oppose this emergency declaration, even one by Fox News found fifty six percent against it. That included twenty percent of Republicans. And yet as we said, the president has his fierce supporters this morning, conservative radio talk show host. Chris Buskirk spoke to morning edition said he's very much in favor of the president's national emergency declaration because of the politics of it. Let's listen Rosen, obviously starting to think about the twenty twenty reelection campaign, and if you are going to make this a centerpiece of the campaign, which obviously the president wants to do then you need to make the political case you need to regulate to try and persuade people that this was the right thing to do. He mentioned the twenty twenty campaign that that that's what this is about politics. Your sense of that I agree with that. But but isn't that I mean, but he said that as a positive I see it as a negative, at least this way, he presents himself as a fighter on border security any lives for another day most likely in twenty twenty where I think this issues going to be front and center yet again, and they'll look for cases of crime made by one of the somebody from Central America on. Soil and try to use that as the law and order control our own borders. Message of the Trump reelection campaign crimes which are horrific for the victims and their families. But most analysts don't say constitute a national emergency. Doug Brinkley, professor of history at Rice University. Putting some of the recent news in context for us. Thanks so much q. Some news that caught our eye overseas today as Prime Minister Theresa may and British lawmakers argue over their Brexit from the European Union Sky News is reporting that Honda is set to announce tomorrow that it will close a factory in western England in twenty twenty two Honda makes it civic model at its factory in Swindon, seventy miles west of London thirty five hundred people work at the plant Honda has in converged confirmed the plans, but Justin Tomlinson, a conservative member of parliament said today that he spoke with Japanese carmaker. And he also said he was told at Honda's plan was due to global trends in auto sales, not Brexit, but again Honda hasn't publicly commented the plant produced about one hundred sixty thousand civics last year ninety percent of them were sent to the US in the European Union Britain's largest trade union said shutting down the planet's wooden would be a shattering body blow to the heart of UK manufacturing. We will follow the story. But let's talk. Take a break from all the news for a few minutes with a terrific book. That's now going to be a little easier to carry. It's Lionel Shriver's property, which is now out in paperback now Lyonel does not shy away from the uncomfortable. Her two thousand three novel. We need to talk about Kevin centered on mother confronting her own possible culpability in her son's school attack than there was twenty ten so much for that which address the US healthcare system twenty fourteen big brother, which looked at obesity and our relationship with food. And then last year, Lionel Shriver took on the often wince inducing role of stuff our property, and it's affecting our relationships in her first short fiction collection in one story. A couple's home renovation destroys the marriage and embezzler flees Justice and his wife, but the island paradise. He settles in becomes a living hell long ago lovers now. Best friends are torn apart. When the new girlfriend does want the old girlfriend around the book again is called. Property stories between two novellas we spoke with Lionel Shriver last April. When it first came out, Lando Shriver. Welcome back. Nice to talk to you again, Robin. I love this collection and often so painful to read I beg to differ, you know, in comparison to my novels. This book is a walk in the park. Well, actually, there's a lot of humor in it. But start with the standing chandelier it's about Jillian frisk and western bobbin ski friskin baba. They call themselves best friends after brief sexual encounter years earlier. They talk about everything they play tennis together. They are the perfect best friends, then enter Baba's new girlfriend page, suddenly unbeknownst to Jillian page starts planting seeds of doubt about her and bam baba breaks off their friendship is heartbreaking. So why drive this to that painful end? I'm interested in asking the question as to whether or not men and women can ever just be friends, and I'm very sympathetic with everyone in this scenario. And that includes the girlfriend who's new on the scene, and is trying to get a feel for this close friendship that goes back twenty five years, and it's like who is this woman. And she immediately takes a dislike to a woman that she perceives as potentially a romantic rival. But more to the point a rival for intimacy with her boyfriend. She doesn't like how close they are. Well, and the property in this story, I think is the standing chandelier, which is this bizarre piece of art that Jillian made and presented to them for their wedding president. It was such a symbol of her weirdness. And quirkiness that first page is like a hate that thing, then they both decide that they wanted and they keep it. So they keep her wedding present don't allow her to come to the wedding property talk about that idea. While I'm interested in property as a projection of the self, you know, when you buy a house, for example. That's you. That's your house one of the most. It's interesting things about the concept of ownership is the fact that it is mostly if not primarily defined by the fact that not only is this yours, but it's not anyone else's. So it's a kind of patrolling of the boundary between you and other people. And that's why the concept of property of ownership become so emotionally charged. Well, so the property in that story actually could have been baba the man or or. Tussling over. And that's what page the girlfriend who becomes his wife is really getting to keep. Yes. It's very sad in another story. There's a parents of a middle aged child who will not leave home. He Saturday pretty commonplace situation airy common, it's throw tightening. But it's hilarious. They decide. Well, there's gonna throw him out. Instead he lives on the front lawn with all his belongings becomes a a an internet sensation. People start picking on his behalf. How can you throw him out? He becomes this worldwide sensation they are cowed. Not only into bringing him back into the house, but they give up their master bedroom to him his girlfriend and their new baby would a horror. I had great fun with that story. I'm interested in the fact that when you look at that situation, you would think that the parents were in a position of power, but the trouble is that when you have a heart advantages disadvantage, their sons URI helplessness, his weakness, he can't survive in the outside world that means that he has all the power ironically because that dependency makes him vulnerable and helpless in someone who needs to be taken care of. And if you're going to be a decent parent, you don't abuse that I'm also interested in that situation of overlapping territory, most parents will recognize this. If you have an adult child living at home, it becomes a little awkward whose house it is after all when your children are growing up your houses their house, but by convention, they leave the nest and you get your house back. But if they don't leave home, there's a real tension between who owns that house in an emotional way. And even in a who determines what happens to what room? Can they raid? The refrigerator or are they expected to go shopping for their own food, it becomes complicated. And of course, that is great stuff for fiction writer, and is it great stuff that you are seeing you have borrowed from your own stories, and you talked about your novels being last rating at times and one of them big brother, which looked at morbid obesity. You had a brother who died of morbid obesity told us you were here before you know, how much is a writer. Are you excavating your own stories, I think all writers excavate their own lives? I mean after all you only have your own experience. So everything I know about the world is through my little lived life. Well, how much do these stories reflect your life in another one? A man is a meltdown TSA airport line. You also could have lost your temper at security at an airport is not a good idea, which is not. Have you actually gone to the day new Mon that he did which was being dragged into a back room? I haven't gone that far. But I do have a temper on me, and you do not want to go through airport security with me. I have very little patience for stupid rules that don't work. So that is you I exaggerated my own tendency, and in some ways, I I wrote that to chastise myself to please, please, please keep your mouth shut. In other words, do here on the page. And then show the terrible consequences of that. And don't do it yourself. Right, right. The point of that scene was that the character had been under his elderly father's thumb for years and one more time he's going back to visit his father who is ostensibly death store, and he's very resentful. He's made this trip over and over again, and the guy always pulse through and then he finally draws the line and. Stands up for himself in the worst possible place to stand up for yourself in all of the United States airport security, and by the way, the property in this story, a small chapstick, which is the offending thing in his pocket, which has gotten pulled over in the first place, and as he sits in this detention that he's now in that chapstick becomes a connection to his father that particular detail is strangely enough quite auto biographical because my father always used those plane champ sticks, you know, the ones with the black rapper tour and that smell and even that texture that because it's especially waxy, I always associate with him and being kissed on the cheek as a kid. He would leave behind that smell which is very masculine to me. This is your writing that. We've just come to love after her breakup with her friend baba in the first story, we talked about Jillian would migrate on her own to their tennis bench kneeling on the ground resting her forehead on the run. Paint peeling funt slat in a position that only could have been called prayerful, and then she wailed from the part of the body from which one is taught to sing opera. The father of the son who won't move out who spends hours on a website manhole dot com, which really is for people who love manhole covers the father asks his wife. Do you not like our sun? She says, no, it's not dislike all that idleness is oppressive. It lowers the barometric pressure of the whole house great writing. But it's in this short story form, how do you know, how do you know, when something a bolt of lightning hit you owe a couple laid back. Suddenly, they buy a house start renovating it, and he turns into, you know, a fascist practically how do you know that that's a short story and not a novel short story, you can kind of hold in your head. And I'm likely to conceive of it pretty much beginning middle an end, a novel is much more unwieldy. And there's something about it that seems intrinsically. Unresolved. Whereas this short story is more like a little gift, and it's already all wrapped up. It is a complete experience in a discrete period of time, and that can be very satisfying. Will these definitely our gifts? And they definitely are. Although people will be reading them screaming half the time. No don't do that. You know? You know, just property. That's Lionel Shriver the new book is property Leno. Thank you so much or really enjoyed talking to you our conversation with Lionel Shriver last April property comes out in paperback this week. Here. And now is supported by legalzoom who want you to know that if you wanna make twenty nine thousand nine the year you finally start a business or secure your family's future. Legalzoom can help with their network of independent attorneys. Licensed in all fifty states legalzoom can help you navigate your legal needs from wills and trusts to LLC's trademarks contract, reviews and more. And the best part is legalzoom is not a law firm. So they don't charge by the hour. More at legalzoom dot com slash now. More than three months after the midterms North Carolina's ninth congressional district. Still doesn't have representation you'll remember the Republican Mark Harris appeared to beat the democratic candidate, Dan McCreevy by just over nine hundred votes. But allegations that Republican supporter filled out mail in ballots for voters prompted the state board of elections to launch an investigation that board is meeting right now to hear evidence of this alleged ballot tampering and to decide whether to trigger a whole new election. Rusty Jacobs is politics reporter for WNYC. He stepped out of that hearing with his phone and rusty the Republican Mark Harris as you will know one sixty one percent of mail in ballot votes in bladen county, North Carolina despite only nineteen percent of those voters being registered Republican suspicious. Yes. But what's the evidence? Evidence. The board is the executive director overseeing the investigation that then underway says they'll they will show that there was an orchestrated campaign by this operative McRae. Dallas who's here today for this hearing working for the Harris campaign sends workers out harvest but collect absence about request forms. Then could go back out to the people who requested those points to get the actual absentee ballots. And then to even in some cases, falsify information, and we've already heard from Lisa grit. Who's one time stepdaughter McRae? Dallas was mother was once married to him and still is close to him and said that she didn't need many cases signed the witness boxes on these absentee ballots when she did not actually witness information being inserted and delivered those ethnic ballots to McRae Dallas events as they bought, but that's violation of state law curious, well, the hearing could go on for as long as three days and North Carolina law gives the elections board. The power to trigger a new election. If they find that irregularities in proprieties have occurred. We we've heard some allegations. They also could say that, you know, the Republican Mark Harris with nine hundred votes despite the alleged bear ballot tampering is the winner. So what will happen you? What's your sense of what will happen? Well, this is the last thing you said, I mean, that's exactly what Republican party members Republican party officials are saying say, look, even if there's some wrongdoing here, it has to be just about nine hundred five votes or more that were bought by it has in other words, that's the precise number that could actually reverse the outcome on the other hand the law and Democrats say that know, what you need is a tenth of wrongly enough undermine the reliability or the competence of of of wrongdoing in this particular election. So whether it's a painter precise number. That's the debate. That's going to be the board that decide the the board couldn't up in a kind of a deadlock. We're in other words, it's five number three Democrats to publicans three Democrats decided no, we are not certifying. My parents the two Republicans could say we would certify what you mean on a supermajority you one Republican during the Democrats to call new elections. So we could be dead. Block with his no certification. But no, no election. Ultimately house has started to jump in here and take over the investigation and decide on their own whether it's and it's a democrat critically controlled house of representatives now, which might refuse also to more Karen while the voters in North Carolina's ninth district weight and they've been without representation in congress rusty Jacobs and political reporter stepping out of that hearing of the elections board there in North Carolina to tell us what's going on rusty. Thank you so much. And again, it might take three days for them to decide. This month a local school board voted to retire the school mascot for cedar high school in cedar City, Utah by three two vote. The board ruled that at the end of the school year, the cedar high school's mascot and team. Name will no longer be the red men. That's also the nickname since nineteen twenty seven of the sports teams at McGill University in Montreal. And over the decades, stereotypical native American imagery started to accompany the name. So in the last several months students at McGill started a movement to put the Redmond nickname there away for good as well. Matthew stock of NPR's only a game has that story. Tomasz Jerusalem is a member of the blackfoot confederacy a group of indigenous tribes in western Canada about twenty five percent of his hometown of white horse Yukon is indigenous Boeing Tomas, I arrived at McGill University in the fall of two thousand sixteen he was one of only about one hundred and fifty indigenous students out of nearly twenty eight thousand undergrads there. Were these pockets where I saw myself reflected, but it almost felt more isolated now that I think about it. It never really felt as other as I did hear at McGill before long Tomasz found a place where he did fit in the varsity crew team. It was amazing like an instant family almost I was just so lucky to get to travel around eastern Canada with some of your best friends versity sports at McGill and other Canadian universities aren't as high profile as they are in the US. So it wasn't until later that fall that Tomasz I came in contact with MacGill's nickname the Redman I went to a football game. And that's when I heard it chanted Tomasz says he had heard Redmond used as a slur growing up. He was shocked to hear it on his college campus at this this reaction this visceral reaction, and it just struck me. So Arctic outside of the image that McGill was trying to project or the institution. Mcgill was trying to be Tomasz began learning more about the history of the Redmond name. Seeing old pictures of jerseys and helmets, and and just listening to the stories of so the older indigenous students alumni, and professors, it was just heart wrenching, a lot of indigenous students just didn't feel comfortable in McGill athletics. Because of the Redmond name McGill history. Professor Suzanne Morton says that the name was I accompanied by native imagery in the nineteen forties. Here's a new football coach hired from the United States, and he wants to make football more spectacle. He wants crowds. And so we have the the input of really explicit indigenous images onto particularly the football team. You have images of fierceness bravery savagery, you get new songs which talk horribly about things like scalping and warpath new nicknames entered the mixes well for a while. Men's teams were called the Indians from nineteen sixty one until nineteen seventy six women's teams were called the. Super squaws. And while all of this was happening. There were hardly any indigenous students on campus to speak out against racism at the time. Legislation called the Indian act prevented indigenous people from attending college without being kicked off of their reserves. Suzanne Morton says through her research, she's identified just to indigenous students who graduated from McGill between nineteen hundred and nineteen sixty pop culture stereotypes were the only exposure most McGill students had to indigene eighty they see indigenous people in the movies. They may see them on TV with Daniel boom in the nineteen fifties. But there's no contact with actual people. Morton says more indigenous people started attending McGill when the Indian act was amended in the early sixties, but even into the late eighties native students made up a tiny part of McGill student body. I'm not sure the university of Canada reliable statistics in that regard less than one percent of one percent is probably the closest numbers. Ned? Blackhawk is a professor. Of American Indian history at Yale University and a member of the tum mock tribe of western shoshoni Indians of Nevada in the late eighties. He was an undergrad at McGill and in his second year. He walked onto the varsity track and field team it meant that. I was in the gym law. And there was a giant Redmond logo above the scoreboard or right alongside at that was probably the size of a fairly large urban billboard, basically had kind of the side portrait visas of an angry Indian man with the kind of protruding nose and headdress under which just said Redman. So something I really couldn't avoid and I didn't really at the time have the vocabulary or said of intellectual commitments to really call into question that image. But it was something that bothered me and something I had to kind of confront in nineteen Ninety-one Blackhawk and a fellow undergrad. Led a campaign to change the Redmond name and remove the native imagery that came with it. Wrote opinion editorials for the Miguel daily newspaper. We were interviewed on the McGill University radio station. We how teach ends we you know, we were just basically involved in sets of kind of consciousness raising efforts and in March of nineteen Ninety-two MacGill's athletics board decided to get rid of the Redmond logo the billboard sized Indian head in the gym went away, the football and hockey helmets were changed sport the McGill crest. But the Redmond named state. In press releases that March the chair of the athletic sport, expressed his belief that getting rid of -fensive imagery was enough to disassociate the name from its derogatory connotation Ned Blackhawk and other indigenous students felt differently seeing that image taken down or removed over time. Seeing these things dropped from the hockey team or the football helmets. Did bring me a sense of satisfaction though. I wish they had come up with a different name in recent decades Canadians have faced their country's history of native oppression, and it's lasting consequences, and in two thousand fifteen the Canadian government's truth and reconciliation commission underscored the importance of education in creating a more Justice -iety for indigenous peoples and culture. The McGill provost office formed a task force on indigenous studies and education shortly after when it published its fifty two calls to action in two thousand seventeen replacing the Redmond named made the list, but a year went by Tomasz Jerusalem was finishing up his sophomore season on the crew team. And he says it didn't seem like McGill was taking any real steps towards change. So he and some other students decided steak action out of indigenous activists here at McGill. I was the only athlete at the time. With me being varsity athlete, I felt that it was something that could really push Tomasz spoke to news outlets and moderated panel discussions with indigenous experts. He started speaking to fellow athletes, and he organized a rally to support the name change on the morning of October thirty first two thousand eighteen demonstrators gathered at one of the main gates on MacGill's campus. I remember it being absolutely frigid an remember panicking because it was cold. And since it was raining I needed to secure tents of his had traditional drummers coming. And then once the demonstration kind of took off after had kind of got an overall the small he cups kind of just flew by. It was exhilarating really to see in the cold. You know, hundreds and hundreds of students at come somewhere between seven and eight hundred people at come to see that was just so powerful. It was nice looking up into the crowd and seeing so many of my teammates. They're doing everything they really could to support me twice a year McGill University holds a referendum period where students get to vote on various issues Tomasz and some fellow student. Legislators had entered the Redmond name change for consideration. This past fall on November thirteenth. The results were announced eighty percent of the student body voted yesterday. Mention the name this made McGill better. It really did. Mcgill student referenda aren't binding after the vote McGill formed renaming council that would decide how to move forward. It's report released in December quoted advocates for change, and it also quoted alumni who opposed the movement. The report describes a town hall meeting in which a former varsity athlete compared the team name to a family name, highlighting its role in emotional attachment, social identity and self esteem a jointly signed submission expressed attachment to the Redmond named so strong that the writers vowed that if the name were changed. They would never again donate to McGill. They would discourage their children from applying the McGill they would consider McGill dead to them and might actively work against its success. I was that the first people's house, and there was some I or sued been reading the report, I just remember seeing them cry. Because here these people who were trying to support the soccer comic institution, and they send an opposition to reconciliation to such a degree that they would actively undermined the institution if it shows to take the necessary steps in creating healthy and welcoming environment for indigenous students McGill was expected to announce a final decision on the Redmond name by the end of January, but on January thirtieth the university unexpectedly postponed the decision to the end of the spring term Suzanne Morton says that with such resounding support from students and faculty on campus. She still thinks the name change is likely to happen. If not now eventually, I think it means that the university understands where we. Right now, who is us an includes enthusiasts students, and it means that there's a future where hopefully more indigenous students will feel very welcome here for here. And now I'm at the stock and Matthew comes to us from NPR's terrific only a game. Amazon's break up with New York City last week scrapping plans for headquarters, there has become a rallying cry for some on the left now Amazon promised twenty five thousand new jobs in exchange the city offered three billion in tax incentives. And there were critics in the city they wanted Amazon to kick in maybe some new infrastructure or maybe hire people from public housing, which is reportedly why Amazon backed out knowing they can get those tax advantages. Elsewhere democratic Senator and twenty twenty hopeful Elizabeth Warren, call those incentives tax payer bribes and a tweet for Mont Senator Bernie Sanders also potential twenty twenty hopeful congratulated New Yorkers for standing up Tomasson. But Ohio democratic congressman Tim Ryan wrote a letter to Amazon Friday asking the company to consider setting up shop there. Derek Thompson is senior editor at the Atlantic. He joins us as he does every Monday from New York. Derek? Hello. So talk first of all about this reaction. What does it tell us about what's happening in the? Democratic Party if anything I think, it's so so fascinating, you know, every party every social movement really has to identities what are you against? And what are you for? I think it's easy to say right now with the democratic party's against their against Trump. They're against cutting taxes for the rich, that's obvious. But what are they for? And what we see in this Amazon fight is a bundle of leftist causes that. I think a lot of the media is mistaking for like a monolith. This is actually a really diverse group on the left. Some of these people are just anti gentrification in queens. Right. It's it's one of those all politics is local things this is just about public housing in queens. So of the people who are rooting against Amazon are anti monopolist like Elizabeth Warren. They wanna bring the fight to big companies. They wanna break up these big companies so that they can unleash the forces of the free market, and then others, frankly, like me are happy. This thing happened because we're against corporate welfare, we're against paying billions of dollars to a trillion dollar company like Amec. Zahn just to beg them not to create new jobs in America, but just drag jobs from Seattle to New York City. So this fight brought all of us together. But other fights are going to isolate these various trans the Democratic Party and help the media. See exactly what strain of leftism is strongest. Well, sometimes you can get it all in one person. You've got New York mayor Bill de Blasio who so he's he's dead set against what he calls economic warfare these tax incentives. So that states and cities that might be like minded have to battle each other to offer these tax incentives to woo these companies, but on the other hand, he was a supporter of the deal. But on the other hand, he blamed Amazon for walking away. You know, he and said, hey, this is New York if you can't take some critics where people asking for a little bit extra. He also expressed frustration with the Democrats who spoke out against the deal here. He is on WNYC's Brian Lehrer show Friday, I'll take on any progressive anywhere that thinks it's a good idea to lose. Jobs and revenue because I think that's about touch with what working people want. He said, I wanna see something different. Even though he was for this deal because of the jobs, it was going to bring it gets complicated. Oh, yeah. It gets very complicated. I think on Amazon's part, I understand why they pulled out of this. I think in many ways the reason Amazon opened up to the the H Q two sweepstakes in the first place was because they didn't want to work with a local government that was against the company the way that Seattle is turned against Amazon, and in many ways, I think they just saw queens coming to resemble the Seattle local governance. Something I'm gonna jump in for people on following this the reason Seattle's many there have turn against Amazon is that the the city council they want to pass a tax on big employers to fund homelessness a battle against homelessness. The company threatened to stop major expansion plans that would put seven thousand jobs at risk the taxes rescinded people say that's too much power. Exactly. And I think that a lot of people who are against Amazon moving into New York City. Understood. Yes, maybe this is a lot of high paying new jobs. Yes, we can make revenue from the wage taxes and from their sales taxes, but we want to work with a company that is famous for working with local governments to improve the city not a company that is at least in Seattle infamous for the opposite. I think there's a really really strong point that it'd be made here that New York City does not have an employment problem. There are more jobs in New York City than they've ever been in tech is expanding at a rapid clip in the city. New York doesn't have an employment problem. It has a household affordability problem and local governance should take on the house will the Ford. Ability problem in New York City. So that it becomes the kind of place that any company wants to go to even without a three billion dollar ransom. Well this against day with politics. We've got about a minute here. What's happening on the right because you have conservative strategist Steve Levy writing on Fox, News dot com that New York congresswoman, I league's Andrea or Cossio Cortez and her quote, radical business hating minions played a supporting role in this, and you know, trying to leverage this as finger pointing at what the right is really hoping people will view as a very radical left. So there's a lot of political points to be scored here. There are a lot of political points. We scored here, and I just want to end by clarifying a schism that I think exists in the left that has been under reported by the media. And that is that you have say the Elizabeth Warren wing of the party and the democratic socialist wing Warren wants to break up large companies in order to free up the energies of the free market to create more private enterprise create more innovation, but you also have on the far left. I think a real interest in moving the US toward socialism moving toward full blown socialism toward controlling the means of the economy taking over big companies and turning them into essentially the equivalent of what we saw with sort of the bells of the nineteen fifties government-sanctioned monopolies. So that is a really important schism. I think to look at in the future Democratic Party. Gary Thompson, senior editor Alantic, thanks as always. Thank you. And this is here. Now, Jeremy Hobson is off today. I'm Robin young. You're listening to here now.

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Sept. 11, 2019: Meet Hurricane Man; Spiked Seltzer's Spectacular Summer

"From NPR and WBZ. I'm Robin Young I'm Jeremy Hobson. It's here now today. Marks eighteen years since the terrorist attacks of nine eleven that led to the war in Afghanistan which continues today and the consequences of that war topped the news in Washington because it was a disagreement over peace talks with the Taliban that ultimately led to the the departure of President Trump's national security advisor John Bolton Bolton is a Foreign Policy Hawk and the question is what will his departure mean for president trump's foreign policy going forward. Congressman Michael Waltz is a Republican from Florida who joins us now he served in Afghanistan and is a member of the House Armed Services Committee Congressman. Welcome welcome back pay. Thank you so much when first of all just your thoughts on this anniversary of the nine eleven attacks well look I mean nine eleven was is the Pearl Harbor of of my generation and this is the war of of my generation yeah fathers and grandfathers fought in Vietnam that thought him World War Two but this this is this is our war and I was actually just dead memorial wall. That's one of the congressional office buildings that have all of the names that we've lost in nine eleven later today. I'll attend and the funeral at Arlington National Cemetery of a Green Beret that we lost just two weeks ago in Afghanistan so on John Bolton's departure from the administration. How do you see is that positive or not. Well look at the end of the day. The president needs to have a staff that he has a relationship and Eh decide I with. I hope that Bolton's successor continues many of the policies that that I've supported whether that's maximum pressure on Iran on standing up to Russia to staying engaged and the war on terrorism you know I understand the president's frustration with the war war in Afghanistan. I think we all share it but that doesn't mean that we can just walk away. We saw what happened when we do in the Middle East when President Obama just pulled pulled out of Iraq obviously that then led to isis and attacked across Europe and the United States but the president says the negotiations with the Taliban are now dead he also so has pledged to withdraw. US troops mechanic Dan so what do you think should happen. Now with Afghanistan should the war just continue. Should the president restart the talks what I I don't think we have a choice but to stay engaged in Afghanistan al Qaeda can and will reconstitute. Isis is on the march if Afghanistan devolves into chaos in in the wake of the US withdrawal those terrorist groups will attack the United States again it will follow us home so are missing there now is twofold one at the counterterrorism honor terrorism mission and to its advising and helping the Afghan army to improve itself so that eventually it will stand up on it so and for folks who say we've been there too long. I remind them that we have had fifty thousand troops in Japan since World War. Two for seventy five years we have thirty thousand in South Korea. We have over thirty thousand in Germany so it's far less risky to pull troops from those countries than it is from Afghanistan where half the world terrorist organization still exists so based on what you're saying my right in thinking that you are not happy that John Bolton is out because it sounds like you've got an appreciation for his hawkish views well look. I think there's a misunderstanding about what hawkish talk it means. I don't think John Bolton Anyway intended distort any wars. I think the best way to prevent wars is to show strength so I hope there is someone that shares that view at the same time on John. Voting specifically look the president has to have a strong trusted relationship with his National Security Adviser Bat broke down then. It's absolutely within the president's right and he should find someone new. I just hope they that that new person doesn't buy into the notion that we can stick our head in the sand and wish these wars away at as we're hearing a lot of commentary of folks just saying we'll let them them being folks in the region. Take care of it. They can't United States much lead and when we create a vacuum bad thing billable. Are you concerned about the chaos costs though seeming chaos in the administration. This is the third national security advisor to leave in less than three years by comparison. President Obama had three in eight years w Bush Bush had to in eight years. Clinton had to eight years and Bush senior had one. I don't know that that you know we spend too much time on that turmoil but at the end of the day I do yeah looks. Ability is a good thing I hope. The President finds someone that he has confidence in that can't be there for some time because it does take a while. How it is a huge job. I served in the in the Bush White House and pulling together all of the elements our foreign policy and really charting a path in line with the president's views a tough job. I want to ask you one more thing. which is that as you as a member of the Armed Services Committee as you look around the world that all of the various issues from Iran North Korea to Afghanistan to Venezuela? What's at the top of your list right now. What do you think is the biggest foreign policy concern concern for America at the moment well short terms and an longer term. You know how the big question in my mind is. How do we continue when you to maintain the fight against Islamic extremism which is metastasized has not gone away and will attack the United States again if we let it coupled world with a rapidly rising China that explicitly plans to contest the United States is the world's lone superpower coupled coupled with a Russia that is still very dangerous so to me that is the underlying question for our military and for our national defense strategy going forward that Michael Waltz Republican from Florida member of the House Armed Services Committee Congressman. Thank you all right. Thanks so much to North Carolina now. President trump is taking credit for a conservative. Republicans win there and yesterday special election and that conservative Republican. Dan Bishop is giving trump all the credit had it bishop won the Open Ninth District House seat over the Democrat Democrat eighty a day after president trump held a rally there last night bishop praise trump during his victory speech tired of winning. We're just getting started winning because we're seeing a successful result of president trump's agenda spring and rusty Jacobs politics reporter for W UNC and Rusty. You've been covering this campaign for months. It's been a GOP stronghold for decades. What's the reaction Sanada. Dan Bishops Win for Republicans. It's probably a sigh of relief. It was a close race that was not a surprise but for the Democrats they they may actually see a silver lining in defeat I think that the reaction for for Democrats is that this is an indication. North Carolina is truly a battleground battleground state. You've got statewide races coming up in two thousand twenty and so they're probably seeing the more positive aspects of close defeat well and how tight wasn't are. We hearing five thousand votes. That's a little less than five thousand I believe in. It's about a two percent margin and what's interesting is. It's an eight county. It's a district that covers eight counties. They were split mccreadie got the Democrat got four counties. Bishop got four mccreadie one where you would expect a Democrat to win. He won the more urban area of Mecklenburg but he also got some rural pockets Robertson County Anson County so it just goes to show it's it's a very tight district rick to help but it is possibly an indication robin that no Democrat could win in the ninth district the way it's drawn. Is that the best you could do is maybe a two percent margin well. The president is saying that you know he not only helped damn bishop. He really helped me tweeting out. That bishop was down seventeen point three weeks ago and he asked me for help. We changed his strategy and he ran a great race big rally last night. Take two things here first of all is that true was dan bishop down seventeen points in the president pulled him up but also so I mean the president probably pull them up a little. They're the providence of that. Data is is is questionable but it is true that Dan Bishop road or uh-huh campaigned on the CO tells of Donald Trump. I mean go for broke he from the very beginning said I'm a trump Republican. I want to help build a wall on the southern border I want to protect gun rights and so he attached himself to trump and say that the president needs Congress members who will support his agenda a do or die Dan McCready on the other hand as much as Dan Bishop tried to put him in a demonized progressive wing of the Democratic Party. He Ran mccreadie ran in a very centrist campaign. I think he avoided saying the word Democrat as often as possible. He said I'm a marine. I served with a platoon in Iraq and we didn't care what color you were. What party affiliation you had. We cared about what you stood for. So it was really centrist. Versus arch trump supporter well and many analysts are pointing out at that moderate approach from mccreadie resembled what the Democrats who won in republican-leaning districts in the two thousand eighteen midterms did and so that there is so lesson therefore Democrats as well that you know that might be the approach in areas like yours but we're reminded the election was called after claims ballot tampering in this district in two thousand eighteen ballot tampering on the part of a Republican operative people really seem to be clamoring for an honest election they they saw some light perhaps for Democrats but was there big turnout. No the turnout was low and that again that's not a surprise either. I mean we're not only talking about an off your election. Would we're just talking about an oddly calendars election. This was a special election to make up for that ballot tampering scandal you mentioned and so it was a Tuesday in September. People aren't used to that and then you've got to remember there was an early voting period that was disrupted by Hurricane Dorian storm certainly affected another congressional district the third where there was as a special election to fill a seat vacated by the death of a longtime Republican congressman but in the ninth there were also district's precincts that were affected now the state board of elections extended hours to make up for the suspension of because of the storm but still people don't always check the notices not comeback and so that may have affected did the the overall turnout was low to begin with but probably in the end it didn't make a huge difference rusty Jacobs politics reporter for w UNC Rusty. Thanks so much you're welcome Josh more Gherman craves being in the eye of the storm. This isn't figurative. He likes to be in the eye of the storm. Our seems just as strong as just replying spiking games it. It's GONNA look ugly. That's Josh in the middle of Hurricane Michael. He's known as a hurricane man we in thousands of others followed him on twitter at cyclone during Dorian he was right on Apple Island tweeting out about wrapping children in blankets for safety then we heard nothing what some point you'll be able to to see what happened on his Science Channel Show Hurricane Man. Josh has long been scientifically gauging where the eye of a storm will be and then heading there now he takes a film the crew his new season features every large hurricane of two thousand eighteen beginning Sunday with Michael in Panama City Florida. Here's Josh's cameraman worrying about a a couple at their livelihood of fishing boat things his mistake well now. Josh Morgan is back from the Bahamas Dorian Josh. You're back but are you over for Dorien. Actually no this is one of the most epic hurricanes I've witnessed in my almost thirty years of chasing and this thing's going to stick with me for a while well. I just have to ask what happened to the children. Children are okay. No one died or was seriously injured in the building where we rode out the hurricane which is miraculous oculus because we were in a concrete school which was a designated shelter and it would probably withstand most hurricanes but this thing was sustained winds of one hundred eighty five miles an hour gusts well over two hundred by the time we got to the calm eye of the storm. Which is the exact center where you get a little break. We knew we could read out the rest of the storm there. We had relocated. We were going to die okay right away. Let's get to what people might be asking. Why are you going. What's a good question guys like me. You know storm chasers. I really believe it's almost like a quirk that you're just born with a long island and I remember just even as a toddler. I just get so excited. You know my parents even noticed my whole. Life has been Kinda just hunting down that feeling again and again although the motivation has changed over time so in my younger years you you know when I was first chasing. I was just an Adrenalin junky and it was all about that now it's about data collection and my biggest thrill now is hunting down these hurricanes coming ashore oftentimes times in remote regions and getting into that hard to reach center which is surrounded by the most violent winds to collect rare data that otherwise wouldn't exist and Hurricane Michael which the show starts with and hurricane during which happened last week or two examples of some of my best work in terms of collecting data to end so the National Hurricane Center after any event they do a post analysis almost like a meteorological forensic files. They try to piece together what happened exactly and oftentimes in the post mortem. They'll come to a different conclusion about about the storm than what they thought in real time and good examples hurricane Michael so Michael smashed the Florida panhandle at the time it hit we thought it was a category for about six months later the National Hurricane Center after a very deep analysis. They decided you know what it was actually category five and my data in many instances have helped them or other scientists do that more detailed post analysis and some cases especially when hurricanes hitting areas in the developing world that might not have weather stations where the hurricanes come ashore. My data might be the only data okay couple of things first of all you said you're from Long Island. I'm from Long Island and I told you I remember to a hurricane and you went boom. You knew the year you knew the name you know your stuff Jeff. This is your passion having watched and having followed you. You are very very careful and you also help the people that happen to be around. Can you end up in a hurricane here. You are in a scene during Hurricane Michael. You've just explained that on the rear side of the eye wall of the storm the wind blows in the opposite direction and can and be lethal can take down cement buildings like the one you're in and then you stand your buckling walls watching that happen. If you hear your ears popping that means get away from the windows does but do you ever worry that people will think they are going to be safe because there with you because as we see there are often not yet well when I chase I keep a low profile file it just so often happens though that I ended up being in a situation with a bunch of strangers telling them what to do to get through it looking up like who's this guy this crazy busy guy but you know where the winds are going. You know what to tell them. Exactly you know the thing is I've survived a lot of really really really bad hurricanes. I've been collapsing buildings a few times. I've been another building that where the water came up and the people on I four almost drowned so I've survived so many times and I know what to do like for example example when the windows blow in the building starts to come apart get in the bathroom get in the tub get under a mattress well part of Uku was embedded with firefighters in ems US workers in Panama City before they're building pretty much collapses around them and they climbing the fire trucks to protect themselves. They field calls. Also from people who are desperate won a single mom whose houses collapsed. She shielding her three children and here's dispatcher dawn Kirkland who's WHO's trying to reassure her. As soon as we can get somebody out team we will prompt some. I promise we will somebody somebody will come in assist you promise okay so just hold onto their babies a little bit longer okay and basically don just breaks extended cries. You have your data to collect but what happens when you see that emotion in that fear of of course it affects me like I said on their document. The events spend more than a few times the danger of the event just kind of overcame me and I you know I've rescued people or I've pulled people to safety and everything else I mean. There's certain point where you just have to throw the camera. Gordana forget about the the meteorological data and just do it. You have to do as a human being you know and it's hard for this. There's emergency responders in storms of that strength vehicles throne and flipped and the flying debris is lethal you just you just have to wait it out and you follow one of the fire chiefs who finally says I got. I've got to go see if my wife lived and he has to hack his way through trees and everything to finally find Turkey. You know really this is just a really emotional stuff. You also tell the story you talked about growing up on long and being obsessed. You know the adrenaline rush but there was a moment when I think your father brought home to you. There's more going on here. Yes it's a moment that has haunted me. This is like thirty five years ago. Hurricane came up the coast. I was excited was hurricane. Gloria Nineteen ninety-five this hurricane crossed the Atlantic and it's shooting up because to Long Island and I'm just like Oh my God this is so amazing so amazing and the centerpiece right over my town in at the height of the storm the the biggest tree in our property and the big tree the entire neighborhood a china-led willow just went crashing down and it was the most incredible thing I ever saw and and then my mother started to cry and my father looked at me and he's like this is what you wanted and that moment that moment it has replayed again and again for me just that that conflict of being so excited by these awesome meteorological specimens these these these majestic adjusted creations of the earth and then just the horror at the kind of human suffering almost like a microcosm of what I would experience again and again a much bigger scale yeah the the aftermath we see people searching with dogs to find bodies and your crew finally gets to Mexico beach. We all know how that was. It just wiped out and there's an eighty one year old surveying the ruins of his hamlets. Listen Robert Hudson's home as undercut. How Al Shock is office gone. Dear Friends of mine were wearing Darren the hurricane at eighty eighty one years of age within the ISP way weren't prepared for it first of all. We didn't think we had to be prepared because they thought it ain't. GonNa build to be much. This is an awakening on the planet's changing Josh Mortga minutes. It's like Moses suddenly rose up. I mean get it. That's exactly that's a good way of describing him. You know we got there and it was just it was Irian deserted deserted and there was this one guy and he he did almost have this prophetic quality and it was it was just his take on things was just you know it was hypnotic but he also so says something that's true we know that the effects of climate change are warming sees. Maybe not more hurricanes but more violent hurricanes. Is there a point where you might say you. We know what maybe I don't go. No Hardcore Chaser dudes like me your this is your blood. You're born to do this and I'm always he's going to do it. That's not to say that I don't have periods where I have to step back after Super Typhoon Haiyan in the Philippines in two thousand thirteen which killed six to ten thousand people and for example Hurricane Doreen these epochs storms where I step back from them just emotionally and physically exhausted like I'm not in a hurry to chase next week but the urge always comes back. It's just it's just how I'm wired and just real quick. What would you say to other people who might say well you put first responders use endanger because they might have to rescue you or people might think he can do it. I can do it well. I wrestle with this a lot in terms of the example. I said I have a lot of fans for fifteen to twenty years old. Basically exactly you know when I was at that age. Just these like hardcore weather nerds and they see me doing this and they they find it very inspiring. They want to do it too. You and I always feel like I'm sitting really bad example but on the other hand you know it's very conflicting because I'm also I'm excited that I'm inspiring young people to take an interest in science you you know it's on mathematical equations. It's just witnessing the power of this planet so I have very mixed feelings. My net impact in storms has been positive. I've rescued people and more than I've sought help. That's Josh Morgan. The season of his Science Channel Documentary Series Hurricane Man debuts this Sunday with Hurricane Michael so devastating in Florida in two thousand Eighteen Josh. Thank you so much for speaking with us and for being for many people the eyes and ears of a of a hurricane my pleasure thank you British. Airways is trying to return to normal operations today. After after a two day pilot strike cancelled almost all of its flights. The strike stranded many passengers in one of the busiest hubs in the world. London's Heathrow Airport and another strike is planned for later this month here now transportation analysts. Seth Kaplan joins us now. Hi Seth Hi Jerry take back to what started this pilot strike in the first place at British Airways. What are the pilots demanding and how has the airline responded comes down to money. Jeremy these two sides negotiating a new contract for about a year now haven't come to any kind of resolution. The airline says look we've already offered a double digit raise and we thought we had a deal. We thought we shook and the pilots have have moved the goalpost. the pilots for their part say that's not true and British. Airways is in a tough spot here because it's not as though they can claim that they can't afford to pay anymore anymore. They happen to be in a lot of people. Don't realize this happened to me among the most profitable global airlines in the world up there with let's say Delta I in the US USO still at a standstill here and the pilots say they want a share of that profit what happened though to the almost two hundred thousand people who were supposed to fly in the last couple of days a lot of them got to where they were going but late the airline more than a week before the strike because it knew this was coming email passengers singers to say their flights would be cancelled and offered them either a refund or to be re booked on another airline. The Good News Jeremy is that a Monday and Tuesday okay and kind of an off peak month fair number of empty seats on other flights to to accommodate passengers on other airlines on the other hand. You can't have this giant airline line that accounts for half the seats at London. Heathrow basically vanished for two days and and not obviously impact travel. I can't even imagine what it would have been like in London's Heathrow Airport with nobody in it or nobody getting on planes Do you think that the strike will go ahead as planned later this month yeah the twenty seventh of September. That's a Friday edey heading into a weekend later this month. Look it's GonNa come down to math. Both of these sides here facing off the airline knows what that would cost to go through another other disruption like that the Union does wants and and basically you know if the airline thinks it can give the union some of what it wants for less than what it would cost to go through that again and then they could come to a deal but absent that yeah that that's strike. We'll go forward when I ask you about one other thing happening at Heathrow Airport. It's facing protests again by environmentalists who you say they're going to fly drones in violation of airspace rules this Friday which could once again stall one of the world's busiest airports what's going on here and and and how in the world can he throw authorities say they're going to keep the airport open with drones flying around yeah good question there. Heathrow pause is the group and its its most subset about the idea of building a third runway at Heathrow airport advocates say look this is inherent airport that should have long ago had the third runway if you compare it to other airports around the world but the activists say that'll be more flights and more carbon emissions and so so so this is what they're doing to protest they say they're going to fly drones into a five kilometer perimeter around the airport and they're going to violate at. They say they say look. We're not actually GONNA fly into flight paths but they would do enough. They say to disrupt operations. The airport has has basically said so far. We're GONNA keep the operation going unclear though how this is all going to shake out because it clearly a threat they're top really interesting to see. Seth Caplan here now transportation analyst thanks Jerry there is currently a a shortage of white claw its spiked Seltzer that is so popular with millennials in particular that stores have run out of it more evidence of the explosion popularity of Spike Spike Seltzer which have only been around for a few years joining us out of talk about the fizz frenzy is Craig G Amona whose business reporter with Bloomberg News Hi Craig Hi. How are you doing well so first of all for people who have not tried it or seen it. WHAT IS SPIKE SELTZER. Why is it so popular Spike Seltzer or one way to think about it. is basically like Lacroix with alcohol in it. You know it's about five percent alcohol and it's really all the rage right now in certain circles younger audiences particularly because it's lower in calories and lower in carbs basically than light beer. It's really taking a lot of market share from the giant beer brands that we know about Bud Light Coors Light Miller lite in particular and Sam Adams owns one of the a spike seltzer brands. It's pretty popular truly that's right in Sam. Adams is actually an interesting sort of microcosm of what's going on here. The the Beer Sam Adams beer really hasn't done that well. They've been caught in some of the trends a little bit too big to be considered craft and you know maybe too small to fight it out with the cores and bud but truly which is their spike. Seltzer has done really well as has twisted tea so seeing people kind of gravitate towards these drinks that maybe they think taste a little better than beer in beer really is the loser here in all of this and and have lower calories I mean I think that's a big point about Spike Seltzer. They do have that right on the front of the can it says whatever it is seventy calories one hundred calories per can that's right and that's a big thing. I think people just know more about food and beverages than they ever have before. You know I mean I think the notion that everyone's on a huge health kick is a little overstated when you see things like fried chicken sandwiches exploding on twitter but people are counting calories and questioning kind of what they put in their bodies and Spike Seltzer definitely benefitting from the fact that it's low in carbs herbs and low in calories. What is the alcohol inspect Seltzer usually about five percent. I mean a budweiser would be foreign change but it's kind of in the range of your average beer but what is it. I mean is it vodka. What what what's in it so most bike seltzer actually malt based because you know there's this interesting situation where liquor is taxed higher than beer which is made from malt so white claw which is the most popular one is made from Malt and what the innovation basically is sort of covering up that beer tastes without making it too sweet. The people that make a white claw previously made Mike's hard lemonade and you know Mike's hard lemonade moment years back but in this era would be considered sort of two sweet. I think think for the average millennial drinker but what they've done with white claws basically makeup average. That's taxed like a beer but you know tastes much cleaner. Now I have to say from personal personal experience I had never seen in this really before this summer and then all of a sudden this summer. It's everywhere in fact. I remember on the fourth of July. They ran out of truly the at the liquor store because it was so popular. How did this sort of just come upon us so quickly yeah. It's really interesting. I was looking back at some of the numbers in in two thousand fifteen spike seltzer it was like a three million dollar business in the US in two thousand eighteen. It was five hundred fifty billion so look to put that into context beer is one hundred billion dollar business in in the United States. Bud Light is a fifteen billion dollar brand but like coordinate Miller later having problems you know beer sales are basically flat. Even the craft boom has kind of slowed. Oh Down Spike Seltzer in that context is small to five hundred fifty million dollars. Business analysts think it could go up to about five billion by two thousand twenty three but what's getting people's attention. Here is the growth and you're right. It's sort of just came out of nowhere. I mean I was at a Bachelor Party. In The New York area recently where males in their young thirties were drinking white claw all night so certainly something is going on on truly is big in New England because of the Sam Adams distribution power up there and Sam an truly and White Club basically the two biggest brands in this space both at about one hundred ninety million but but growing very very fast but I understand one of the problems is that there's no brand loyalty that people I if one of them is is not available. They'll just get the other one. It'll be interesting to see what what happens. I mean everyone sees these numbers like these giant. Beverage companies are looking at these numbers beers falling and they're saying look. It's not hard to make we can do this too. We can make a spike seltzer so we'll see what what happens. When the beverage giant's SORTA come after this market really hard and whether or not the big guys right now truly and white clock and hold on to the market share that they have their ahead of the game right. Now you know anheuser Busch the largest beverage company in the world. They have a competing brand. which is really the third called Bone and Vive That's like the third biggest brand so it'll be a test most of those companies whether they can hold onto the market shares. Everybody comes after this. What's your favorite flavor of Spike Seltzer. I have to be perfectly honest. not the biggest don't like kit. I'm not the biggest Spike Seltzer Guy. I guess I'm still sort of a beer drinker. I mean some of my alcohol has moved over to Roseanne and wine but so you know the decent. I don't mind them and I think it's really interesting. I think from the younger perspective I mean I come from the days when you went to college and you drank beer slowly developed your taste for beer but someone pointed pointed out to me. These things don't taste bad so that eighteen nineteen year old. I Guess Twenty One. If we're being legal about it who's just getting started. They might never develop a taste for beer because they drink thank these drinks that just tastes better their light and refreshing so it's actually has really interesting implications ten fifteen years down the road for the alcohol market looks well if that means that they have a truly truly or a white cloth instead of a natty light or a PBR good for them that is that is kind of what it means but there's there's sort of progression there where you drink natty light those first couple of years of college and then maybe you graduate to Sam Adams and then from there you start drinking wine when you get a better job who knows if that's cycle is broken because people get into. Whiteclay like we. We don't know really how that's GonNa look that is Craig G Amona business reporter with Bloomberg News. Thank you thank you when recent years invasive live insect called the Gypsy moth has killed countless trees in the northeast and parts of the Midwest from two thousand sixteen through two thousand eighteen estimated Gypsy moth defoliated more than two million million acres of trees in southern New England alone foresters have to clean up a lot of those dead trees but as Connecticut Public Radio's Patrick Scale reports biologists say Gypsy Kamath populations are finally declining. I'm driving down a road and Connecticut's big state forest in the driver seat is Dan Evans. The Forrester Forrester for patch state forest or involved in town. Connecticut are pickup truck makes its way down trail. That's been closed since two thousand seventeen. As as we come up fire tower road you can really start to see the damage in some of the roadside oak trees here and as we drive up the road. You'll certainly know this. The fine limb material cereal on the sides of the road falling out of the overhead trees here. It's dead scarlet oak killed. Oh by gypsy moths an invasive insect which in high numbers can rapidly eat up leaves and kill off trees usually rain activates a fungus that keeps gypsy moth populations compilations in check but when it doesn't rain Gypsy moths can flourish and trees and bring with them their own type of precipitation if we were standing in this forest in twenty sixteen or even twenty seventeen. We'd be feeling a ghost rain on our face. That's what the foresters from the nineteen eighties always referred to the Gypsy Kamath evidence as a ghost rain. You're feeling the leaf particles and the excrement from the insect coming down from the canopy. Gypsy moth number number spiked in southern New England in twenty seventeen after nearly two years of drought paved the way for one of the worst outbreak since the early nineteen eighty S as we walk the the damage is all around us. Almost all of the oak trees in this stand are dead. Tony Comiskey an entomologist with umass extension says is Massachusetts Sauna fully -ation numbers peak near one million acres in two thousand seventeen but since then she's seen a big improvement. My Hope is is that in twenty twenty there will be very few folks certainly in Massachusetts with noticeable populations of Gypsy moth so my hope is that if we're certainly at the tail end of this outbreak the reason a lot of rain supercharged until Mafa my Misha a fungus. That's really good good at killing off. Gypsy moth caterpillars from two thousand seventeen to twenty eighteen southern New England saw acres impacted by caterpillars dropped dramatically in some states more with an eighty percent back at Patrick state forest forest. Dan Evans says it's good that insect numbers dropping but work still remains this gypsy moth off. outbreak has really changed. Our work plan over these past three years where we've been very much focused on public safety. Evans says the risk of dead trees grows as time goes on bigger limbs will fall and if trees aren't cut routes could rot potentially toppling the whole tree but there's still a lot of life in the Forest Evan Shuffles through the brush and shows me a seedling our future forest getting started here some good vigorous young oak seedlings started in full son conditions. I'm pretty darn continent that someday some foresters going to be able to manage this as a a dominant over story white oak in this. It's location about eighty five years in the future but for now Evans concerns are more immediate making the forest safe and keeping his fingers crossed that rain continues to keep the Gypsy moth in check for here now Patrick Scale Mitzner confusing time for Bahamian survivors of Dorian hoping to evacuate to the US the US Department of Homeland Security said Bahamian citizens planning to come to the US US Bhai Air can qualify for visa waivers if they have pre clearance but travelling by sea they must have a valid passport and a travel visa in addition addition trump administration will not offer temporary protected status or TPS to Bahamians but also the acting customs and Border Protection hedmark Morgan said on CNN the government would use discretion a case by case basis of need when it came to documentation while president trump said everyone needs totally proper proper documentation will meanwhile Bahamians in the US are trying to figure out how to get loved ones out but also how they might go back. Brendan Aubrey lives in Prince George's County County Maryland. He's at his office at Washington Adventist University and rented a we. We must start with your family in the Bahamas. It's difficult but the loss may be a of your cousins mother-in-law. Yes well you know. I don't want to speak too much to that out of respect for the family. They want to just remain in in hopes at this point she is missing but I have been informed that she was taking away by the surge as so many in the Bahamas what a horror would a har- so sorry even outside of that. You are worried about the family members there yes yeah. What are you hearing from them. and Are you hearing from them. Well Tom Communication channels. I opened through social media. We did the best we could either facebook or what's APP It's been very difficult difficult to maintain contact. The some family members were clinging onto life trees staying on their roofs they had to climb through manholes and this was actually through a thirty six hour period some immersed in the water while the water was surged. Oh as you can imagine it's very traumatic yes and hard on you and other Bahamians many of them in the US watching helplessly then there's another issue in in this ties into these all these questions about travel and who's where and how do you get to where you want to be. We understand your mother has been here in the states because you recently had a child so there's joy in the middle of all of this and now she's not sure she lives on Grand Bahama Islands. She's she's not sure how she feels about returning. What are the questions there. There's uncertainty she's not been able to contact someone who you can give her an update on the status of her while travelling during the the the hurricane was coming back from the West Coast and I saw the news yes and it was a bittersweet feeling you know you have family and I loved ones are enduring this storm and at the same time I had my mother who was in safe keeping. There's just really no no time line for when she would be able to return and then what does she returning to there's a lot that needs to be assessed and I believe that the Bahamian government is doing their best. You've been in the US for nearly two decades. What do you want people to know about the Bahamas. Many are just finding out that it's a seven hundred island chain as long as California will the Bahamas. There's an archipelago of islands seven hundred islands but seventeen which are inhabited two of our major inhabited islands were affected which were avocado and Grand Bahama Nassau was affected too no one's actually paying attention to the fact that there was actually flooding flooding even in national astle. That's worth pointing because some people are saying. Why aren't these refugees. Why don't they just go to Nassau well. Nassau has its hands full and everyone's doing the best they can There's something I'll say about the Bahamian people we are resilient. We come together such a small community. The population of only four hundred thousand everybody in the nation was affected by this in some way children that experienced this traumatic. McDevitt station will need the mental help. We need many experts to help us to guide us to to rebuild not just the country we consider ars but a beautiful destination for many and that's what the Bahamas is not just to me but to so many people and will you go. Will you go go back at some point I mean. Is there something that pulls you want to help the rebuilding I. I'm glad you ask soon as I can I will. I'm coordinating the best I can with the Bahamian Consulate here in Washington. DC A definitely will remain involved and do everything I can for the Orlando of which I am a native and I'm just grateful for the opportunity to tell you a little bit about my country Brennan Albury speaking speaking to us from Maryland Brennan. Thanks so much. Invest you and your family. Thank you all the best to you thank you and by the way Washington adventist university where Brennan Works has announced it will offer one free semester to Bahamians impacted by Dorian Hampton University and historically Black College or university in Virginia has announced it will do the same here. Now is a production of N._p._R. and W._B. You are I'm Robin Young. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is here now.

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"This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard, get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WB. You are I'm Robin young. And I'm Lisa Mullins. It's here and now rich and powerful players from around the globe academy this week in Davos, Switzerland. Where the annual World Economic Forum is underway. It's time to network strategize. And think big, but some key world leaders are missing from this year's event because of troubles at home. President Trump cancelled the US delegation strip amid the partial government shutdown secretary of state, Mike Pompeo did address the conference by satellite today. He said he expects progress with nuclear negotiations with North Korea by the end of next month. Other major leaders who are no shows in Davos, Britain's Prime Minister, Theresa may, she's dealing with Brexit and French president, Emmanuel Macron whose content. With a yellow vest protests. Tom Keene is in Davos, he is editor at large for Bloomberg TV and radio. Hi, tom. Are you doing good? So how does the absence of these three heavyweights matter in talked about and what gets done in Davos, it's every year somebody shows up. This is my fifteenth year. I have the clearest memory of Sarkozy wandering in with an entourage of one hundred. Maybe it was ten years ago and on and on course, president Xi two years ago of China and the President Trump with an extraordinary moment last year, and as you say lease it's all of apparatus, but that sounds almost like nothing's getting done, but doesn't this give a chance for the non English speaking countries to come to the fore because they don't have to share the spotlight so much. Absolutely. There's no question about that. And the theme will be found. But but what's fascinating is really for the first time with the new populism worldwide. The politicians are off their game in the bankers off of a huge year last year. And an okay there, you're this year the financiers the invest. The bankers seemed to have a little more spring in their step than the politicians in the government officials who are really beleaguered again by this global populism. Okay. I want to find out more about the bankers and financiers, and what they are doing there. But does the government shutdown, especially since as you mentioned Donald Trump came in last year with a keynote address saying the US is open for business, and we should note that the US government was closed at that point in a far shorter shutdown the same time last year this year, the shutdown is thirty two days. What what is being said about that? How is that being reflected in Davos? It's fascinating. There's a there's a stretcher and Brexit, but on the shutdown. There's almost a curiosity to it. There's less discussion of it than there is there's more angst about it. I spoke in London a week ago where the democrat operative, and he made very clear to me. He's looking for a six month shutdown. No one hears looking for that. And the the acts that you're talking about is that because of the worldwide implication of the shutdown or is that because it seems like the United States in some way doesn't have its act together to things it's definitely the the follow on to global GDP in the world order all that. But I'll tell you aren't Sorenson of Marriott was piercing about the effect of the shutdown. Obviously he's talking is book of the large Marriott hotel company. But he was pure sing about the effect of shutdown adjacent to his many immigrant employees. What did he say? He said, there's real strain. Just now beginning to click in. I would suggest Lisa that's one paycheck to paycheck out. Can you imagine if the Marriott extended family, very largely immigrants and immigrant families? Can you imagine if they get out to three or four paychecks? So you said because some of these globally. Leaders are not there that the bankers financiers are coming to the fore. What are they talking? Just well, it's very interesting. They're coming to the fore, and they're being a little coil last year. They were riding high. There was almost a palpable. Giddiness? It's different this year. The kidding is not there. They're talking about rationalizations. It's a banker aware of the December ugliness the Q four ugliness. They are more optimistic right now. But by no means are they stepping with a step that they had twelve months ago, Tom, we know that things get done at Davos, I wonder to what extent things get done that are tangible and actionable versus people working on their slalom because as you well know, the Rapa Dabo says that most people are in kind of enjoying the ski slopes, I really take issue with that. When I came here there was a little bit of the heyday of the let's go snowboarding skiing. Downhill course, nobody here. Would snowboard that would be beneath them. But but within that Davos has become quivalent Lisa to a plumber's convention in Las Vegas. The executives are here to meet other executives as a rule of fennel four days now with that said they're coming in and they're working. But I'm not sure how many are staying for full for days in my son. They gotta get back to their offices. They've got to get back in London to Brexit. They've got to get back in America, the shutdown, and we haven't talked about the other turmoil out there, including in France, France, perk up here much more than I expected, it has to do with a yellow vest protests. Yes. For from public workers there, by the way, this is a Swiss ski town. There is a lot of snow, but I understand this year in unnatural amount of snow. How bad is it? It's the worst. It's ever been going back to the leave nineteen sixty one or nineteen fifty one, and it is snowy. It is a snowy Tom Keene editor at large for Bloomberg TV and radio. Thank you. Lisa. Thank you so much. Well, let's turn to domestic politics and brace yourself because we're going to the last unresolved midterm election contest. The ninth congressional district in North Carolina. You remember this is where an associate of the Republican candidate Mark Harris was accused of collecting mail in ballots from voters and promising to fill them in which is illegal the Republican narrowly beat the democratic candidate, Dan mccready, but he wasn't seated. So that these accusations could be sorted out. While this morning, the Republican Mark Harris asked a judge to certify his nine hundred and five vote lead over the democrat, Dan McCreevy despite those questions about vote tampering. Oh, and despite the recent dissolution of the state's board elections. Joining us is w UNC politics reporter rusty Jacobs. Rusty this is. Saga? It is ongoing ever complicated as you said Marquez is legal team as file emotion to very specific legal question is can the court intervene in what today's judge actually turned a dramatic intervention. A dramatic move and intervene an order the state board of elections executive director to certify that nine hundred five vote victory by Republican marquess over democrat, Dan, mccready, I to back up because we mentioned the election board. The Republican party has reshuffled the board and that was declared unconstitutional back in October. But the judges that made that declaration then said that the investigation into vote tampering could continue and then in December they dissolve the board a new board is starting at the end of this month. I think January thirty first so what is Mark Harris the Republican arguing? He's arguing that the board acted in in a partisan way, and is essentially trying to delay his certification and being seeded as a congressman representing the ninth district. The attorney general deputy attorney general representing the state board of elections today pointed out that two of the Republicans on what was then a bipartisan bore was nine members four Democrats or Republicans want unaffiliated to the Republicans joined the final vote not to certify to Harris victory. So that cuts into the argument that this is a partisan effort to keep more carrots and taking his seat McCreevy saying the democrat. That's why the judge allow Dan McCreevy's attorney Marc Elias to intervene in this case. It is essentially a case between Mark Harris, the Republican and the state board of elections, but Creedy is intervening. And he's essentially saying that the the court doesn't. Have jurisdiction. There is an argument by marquesses team Zad door statutory timelines in place when a when a formal petition is filed and they're saying actually, they've acquitting never filed a formal petition. And that all the tapping there is a state board of elections investigation that doesn't form a petition? So by now under the statutory framework certification should have been issued. But McCreevy's attorneys saying the Mark Harris team wants to prematurely end, a fact-finding Judah Katori process that will play out once a new board is appointed after this law takes effect, January thirty first and the investigation and the evidence you're hearing be hill. Even if the judges there in the course, they were leaning towards saying Marquez, you know, you're right. This is taking too long. You should be seated Democrats this month took control of the house and they're saying they won't seat Harris without an investigation into these allegations. And that they. May even have their own investigation. Despite what a state elections board the newly formed one in the end of the month does. So can they do that? Can they if the state decides one thing can they stop it? Well, that is a key argument of the attorney general representing the state would have election saying, look, this is all going to end up being a mood anyway because the US house under its own is going to require a complete investigation before cedar. Mark Harrison fact, just before all this happened before Mark Harris filed his motion of they call the rid of Mandela's asking the court to order the certification. They said the US house reached out to the state board of elections to please, preserve all your investigative materials. All your records, turn them over to us. So yes, that that is an argument that that Democrats and at the state board of elections is making even if the court wanted to intervene, the US house is not going to see Marchetti that basically the new board is going to get planted within ten days this investigated and evidence you're hearing can be held it should be played out rusty Jacobs their WNYC politics reporter. Thank you for jumping onto the court on your cell phone force, rusty, thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. We know there are children who had a very young age feel. They were born into the wrong body. They changed their names and how they dress and public identify with the gender. They're more comfortable with it's called a social transition because these kids have yet to make any changes to their bodies. They may never, but there's much disagreement about how young is too young for kids to make that social transition. John Brooks of K Q E D reports there's a fierce debate roiling the world of transgender research and at its heart. It's about children like Gracie. I met Gracie and rainbow day camping Elsa Reto California on the San Francisco Bay. It was water day. Self-written gracie's gonna rainbow swimsuit and blonde ponytail. She throws her body onto a makeshift waterslide and pops back up. Again, rainbow day camp was created specifically for kids who are transgender Gracie. Who is now seven socially transitioned to being a girl when she was four. She still remembers what it felt like back, then when people thought she was a boy. It was not right to me. And I didn't want people to say that. But they said it. It hurt my feelings a lot. And what's it like now, she has happy to me from hurt too? Happy in healthcare. That's a success and some gender experts point two stories like this one is proof that even young kids like Gracie will thrive after social transitioning when Gracie transition she got to pick a new name in wear girls clothing in public family and friends began using she and her instead of he and his Gracie wants feud is a boy was reintroduced to the world is a girl all before age five. So we have seen some kids as young as to whose parents are bringing them in because they're beginning to say me, not me girl. Diane, Erin Saft is a director of mental health at the child and analysts in gender clinic at UC San Francisco. She's a leading proponent of the idea that parents shouldn't wait if their kids are ready to socially transition. She thinks d'alene can be harmful because what we are seeing in the. Children who are held back is children were anxious depressed because they are not being affirmed in the gender the trying to tell everybody they are transgender adults attempt suicide at much higher rates in average. So Aaron theft says why would we deny for the vast majority of kids something that is basically a suicide prevention at the UCSF gender clinic. There's no rule that kids have to reach a certain age before starting to social transition. And that's where it gets controversial. We are certainly accused of the either the wild wild west or even forcing his into transgender identities. When Gracie wanted to transition her parents did wonder if it was too early. Here's her mom, Molly, let me said what if we do this? What if we let our son walk into the world in address with fairy wings? And crowns in high heels, and then he changes his mind. That's valid concern. According to Dr dre treasure, he's a psychiatrist in New York who studied the treatment of transgender kids. He supports social transitioning. But he has doubts about doing it. So young here is why the research literature currently shows that most transgender children who showed up agenda clinics over the last thirty years did not grow up to be transgender. They grew up to be gay. There have been studies tracking transgender kids over time. They all found at least two thirds of the kids later switched back to their original gender. But these days lots of experts dismiss those studies including Diana, Erin Saft at UCSF. The problem is that many of the studies are old from time gender roles were more rigid. Most of the studies included kids who were considered transgender at the time. But one be today. Now, we would just call those kids gender, non conforming. Under that umbrella full a whole group of won't unquote, effeminate, boys girly, boys. So they were never going to be transgender in the first place. You might ask. What's the big deal? If a kid wants to switch genders again later, what would be the harm after all these young kids. Don't undergo any physical changes track. Crasher says switching back would be a big deal and could be really stressful helping a child and the family do a social transition in one direction requires a lot of resources to help the transition. Why would it not require a similar amount of resources if the child changes their mind their scarcely any research on so-called de transitioning once study did look at a handful of transgender girls who decided to switch back to their birth gender when they were teens they had a very hard time emotionally making the switch a second time. Gracie's mom, Molly knows all about the research. But she has no doubt that socially transitioning Gracie at age four was the right thing to do because Gracie had been talking about it for years as soon as she could tell us. It was I'm a girl. I'm a sister. I'm a daughter. I'm I'm that girl on that show. I'm not girl in that book her parents and really try to steer Gracie in another direction when she wanted dolls. They gave her toy trucks and pirate ships. But it was taking a toll. He never got to see that sort of like sparkle, and I got to appoint. Whereas like, I can't do it anymore. I need to see my child light up the current clinical guidelines cautious about social transitioning for kids. But a committee of transgender experts is now working on the next version, what comes out of those meetings could mean either more or fewer children publicly changing the agenda for here. And now, I'm John Brooks. And now. The town of Braddock, Pennsylvania. They're holding open auditions, that's right. Auditions we from today to find a new mayor is just temporary until the new mayor is elected in twenty twenty still mayor for a year. And it's a big seat left vacant by John Fetterman. A powerhouse mayor who served thirteen years, and is now Pennsylvania's Lieutenant governor Braddock borough council present Tina do say joins us and Tina, you know, headline writers are having a field day with this. They're calling it Braddock idol why an audition. Well, we could have just selected someone according to Pennsylvania state, borough code and the law. We did not have to put it out for applicants or ask for people that were interested. We could have picked someone and allowed them to sit in that position for year until the voting process was was complete. But we really wanted to make sure that there was transparency in the community was involved because John truly elevated the role of mayor in our little borough. So we chose to go about a differently. Well, and so may remember John Fetterman mayor Fetterman when he went on the Cobra poor and asked for a subway sandwich. Shop to come to his town because they didn't have enough places for people to sit down and eat. He got more than that subway shop. He's got software and tech companies to move into your town to try to. Help it spring back from it's more robust times when the steel industry was flourishing. But who are you hearing from what are some of the applicants saying by the way, they have to be residents, but what are some of them saying or their qualifications? Well, it so variety off of folks have applied, you know, people who have no idea about how local local government functions as well as individuals that our business minded and want to do things to built the business community back up, and we're we're expecting to to get someone that's engaged that is community centered. So it's promising at this point. And I I don't know how many people will end up with. But I I'm hopeful that on the twenty ninth. We'll be able to select someone that cares about Brock is engaged while we get another John Fetterman, another Harvard grad, I doubt. That. But I think we're going to get someone that is very focused on is energized about making brought a better place to live work and play interesting. We are at a time in our country's history. Where the debate about whether or not somebody having had experience in the world of politics. Whether that's a good thing or not are you looking for somebody who's had political experience or you're looking for someone who maybe hasn't had any, and and might be a bit of a, you know, a flame thrower. And either way what you know. Are you concerned? I mean, if if you get someone who's never done anything like this before it could go either way, I don't think that that matters is much as it does that the individual have. I guess what we would call intellectual curiosity. So if they have a willingness to learn to understand local government into to grow in that capacity. I think we'll have a we'll have a wonderful may Oriole appointment, and hopefully they will seek the office permanently. By the way, these auditions on the twenty ninth will they be? I mean, not dancing, certainly. But will they be making a pitch they will? So all the applicants have a registered with the borough office. We will be able to assess and and make sure that they've voted in the borough of Brock and pull up that information. They also submitted their resume and a letter of interest and during that public meeting they will for five minutes. Tell everyone council and all those in attendance, why they want to be the mayor of the borough Braddock credit quite a local moment at Tina do say the council president of the brat borough Braddock, Pennsylvania, former steel town that's seen quite a bit of a comeback under. It's previous mayor now looking for a new one through auditions thank you so much. Thank you. This message comes from here. And now sponsor indeed when it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. With indeed posted job in minutes. Set up screener questions then zero in on qualified candidates. And when you need to hire fast, accelerate your results with sponsor jobs. New users can try for free when you sign up at indeed dot com slash NPR, podcast, terms, conditions, and quality standards apply. Communities across the country have been grappling with outbreaks of overdoses from the synthetic drug known as k two or spice, it can cause people to hallucinate lose consciousness, even die. Remember last summer, a dangerous batch of k to the to more than a hundred overdoses in Connecticut over just two days in Washington, DC emergency officials responded to almost four hundred people in one week. Well, now the district is trying to combat use of the drug by sending out health workers to areas where k to use his highest from member station. W A M U L E U reports. On arena after noon Asada too far in her teammates huddle at the corner of peace street in north capitol in Washington p street, she says is a known hotspot the plan is to reach out to everyone that we see in this quarter talk to him bow where to get help on effects of two and prevention too, far as a community outreach specialist with the district's department of behavioral health, she's part of the small team that goes out daily to help connect people to services such as drug treatment healthcare in housing. The district has three team specifically for came to. Can we the five workers start walking up north capitol street? Some of them carried leaflets others little kids with lip balm in hannitized her as passed by Chinese food shop a group of five or six people gathered up a head starts to leave quickly that was a group of dealers, so no K to dealer. So as you can see they dispersed when we came up because that's that's usually what they do. But those aren't who too far and the teams are focused on anyway. So they keep walking up the block at the bus stop. They find a man smoking key to cigarette they stopped to speak with him. But don't linger. I mean, they always use in front of at in a way, I think that's kind of a good thing because they know that we're not affiliated with the police the goal. She says is to build trust with those. They need outreach worker. Andre Simpson von says, the drug has mostly been affecting those who are chronically homeless they're just out here. So. Why not K two is a very inexpensive drug. So the the whole purpose of doing the engagement especially to try to give them housing whatnot is to get them through because it gets discouraging just wait times housing. And so you want to bridge that gap with them. In the meantime, key to can be addictive, according to the centers for disease control and prevention and during certain weeks in twenty eighteen the DC outreach team saw overdoses daily last year. Officials say there have been more than thirty four hundred overdose cases in the district linked to K to six people have died Tanya Royster, former director of DC's department of behavioral health says it's partly because the drug is so unpredictable. So what is available on the street on any given day can be much more harmful physiologically than just the day before though Ketu is sometimes called synthetic marijuana. It's not really we'd at all. It's a bunch of herbs or potpourri that has chemical spr-. Right onto it. And the formulas are changing all the time back near p street Assad too far he says that's why it's hard to know what to expect when she approaches evil sometimes because you don't know how person's gonna react if they're using K two it could be it could be catatonic. It could be violent. It can be angry. They could just pass out immediately. You never know regardless. The district's behavioral health teams continued to be on daily safari says she runs into the same people over and over again, she says is a result of the reference some people have gone to treatment, but not all in this area. I would stay most people weren't into just aren't ready for the hope is that if we're when they are nowhere to go for here. Now, I'm Elliot. It's tough to be an independent commercial fisherman and regulations that are designed to manage fish populations. A part of the reason the government has imposed a quota system. Fishermen have to pay to catch certain kinds of fish like cod cod is deemed to be in low supply. So fishermen are only allowed to catch a limited amount of it. They can pay to lease someone else's quotas. So they can catch more, but that's expensive and makes it harder to turn. A profit. One fisherman in Maine is trying to fish more sustainably and make a living doing it. His name is Tim rider rider is the founder of New England fishmongers we caught up with him in Littleton, New Hampshire. It was visiting one of his customers chef Adam Aldrin at the Biel house in that is part of Tim writers mission to sell directly to the chef. We own a business where we saw our fish directly to our customers, restaurants and consumers alike. It's my whole life making this work. And what we've seen is when you cut out a lot of this. You know tap dancing in between seafood. We're getting. Our fish directly to our customers. Twenty four to forty eight hours after they're caught. It's a fresh fish the freshest Fisher I've ever seen has been showcased in food and wine magazine. Art crust simmers have supported us and love the fresh fish. And it really has really given me that fuel my fire. Keep doing this the people believe in what we're doing the fish is the best they ever had. It's okay. I want to talk about how you managed to catch the best fish some of these high end restaurants ever had I know that you handle liver the fish as you said you don't go to auction. You kind of get around to middleman you bring the fish directly into the kitchen, you have caught that fish. Yeah. The last stretch days, I just fish twelve out of thirteen days before we had this weather, and what we basically do we take the best care of the fish on the boat that we can we bleed our fish? We'd Bryner fish. We make sure they're packed in ice were diligently at the quality of our fish. You know, the average fish that you go and eat at an average seafood restaurant has been around for ten days and traveled seven. Thousand miles. We beat up by about ninety nine point nine percent say you're kind of like the dairy farmer who delivers his own cow's milk directly to the house. When you go out every day, you have your boat thirty six foot boat called the Finlander right Philander, one thirty six footer and Finlander to a forty seven foot LeBlanc. And when you go out how far out do you? Go Evy Aries for scalping. We're we're only two miles off the beach. But when we're hooked fishing for Pollack were sixty five to seventy miles offshore little dicey on sixty five mile offshore ride how come dice here the weather. You know, you're you're in harm's way. And if anything happens, you're what further from home and most people say we're crazy for taking a thirty six foot boats, sixty five miles offshore in January, and they might be correct about that. But one of the reasons we do that is because we can't afford to catch cod. So we pass over fish that we could catch to catch other fish because the folks of the sector system management has made us target species like offshore to stay away from cod. And it makes us risk their lives to do something that we normally wouldn't do. So you're catching Cusco and haddock and dogfish and monkfish, and as you said Pollock as well. But you mentioned something when you get the fish in. And this is rod and reel when you lower the fish in supposedly you take extra good care of it. And what is what is usually done in? What do you do differently? Well, Ron ralian, and we saw for flounders among fish you. Don't get monkfish on on rod and reel by with all the fish. We bleed are fish, and we Bryner fish lives. The bleeding part mean, we you hit the fish in a certain spot in the right, knee Oreta, and the fish pumps out all the blood. So you have no discoloration in a fillet. If you take a blood fish verse nine bled. Fish, the color of the fillets enormously different. Right. It's very similar to a hunter hunters bleed their dear. It's they sensually what we're doing with the fish after the animals done pumping the blood. We emerge it in a sea water and ice mixture to shock Chile and Brian and then layered on ice. So we take the best quality. Eighty of our seafood is you know, fish as we possibly can even scalping right now. Like, obviously, we're not bleeding every skull we catch, but we're going through our scallops and we're renting them quickly as we can in sea water packing them on ice. Really making sure we don't toss him around bruise them break, the pieces up and then gently getting them off the boat package to our customers is quick as possible. So the result is she say the bleeding partisan little bit unsettling to hear. But I suppose the fissure going to be eaten any way. But but the fact is that you're treating them in a better way. So this is what you have to do to try and beat the big guys, or at least beat the regulations because you're not going to have much greater quantity. So you have to rely on quality is that how it works. Yeah. I mean, really are not quantity. We still have to wholesale some of our fish out. But we take a lot of pride in what we do. And what one of the benefits that the culinary world is seen? There's a shelf life it holds up tremendously. Well, so he can. Irv our fish on fire fish on Wednesday and serve it on Saturday where the fish it's been around for two weeks. It hasn't been treated that. Well, he's already starting to throw out. And it's allowed us to we've had to do it to make it work because when we tried to wholesale a lot of our fish that are quality is in the no one cares. You know, we get the same price as strip fish. When we go to these places, and that's really hard because we aren't working on massive volumes. We aren't we do catch enough fish to service a lot more restaurants. Obviously my sales pitch, you know, and as our goal and our goal was also to with the businesses if I ever outgrew what I was catching to be able to help other fishermen get the best price that are doing the same things as because others are looking at us for an answer. We saw historically the worst prices and All England ground fishing at the fish that had to go to auction this year. The anyone seen in twenty years and local fishermen family fishermen paid the price of yearly us included in. That's pretty shameful that you know, we're. People are saying there's you know, there's not enough fish or this. And that or we gotta go to farm rates fish, and this all these different programs that they have, but we have all this beautiful fish coming up the day fleet that were basically throwing out or selling for pennies on a dollar people can't even make a living. So one of the ways that we've defeated that are trying to defeat that is getting that fish as quickly as possible to our customers. So they see the benefits of fresh fish and the other benefit of this too. Is a oh, Adam. And I were talking about this year is that the local fishermen is talking. I've talked to chef Adam on the boat couple times over the past couple of weeks while we're fishing. So these guys are connected with the product like they're connected with the farmer that raises the produce and the beef and everything they know who we are. And they can call us and ask us about what we're catching. He'll he'll ask you when you're out on the boat. What kind of fish you catching, and then he can plan as many accordingly. He will yet analog. These guys will call and see see what we're doing and what we're catching in it's focusing on seasonality, and we catch a lot of flounder. On Finlander to in the spring. So I'm hoping we see better better people grabbing more of the flounders. And obviously Pollock this time of year and Philander one we catch a lot of Pollick. We catch a lot of havoc in the spring. And we've seen a lot of people adapt to what we're catching people that were. Traditionally didn't wanna touch Pollock. You know, kind of had to force it on them and say try this please try this and they'd come back and said, it's great when you when you presented to them. The Pollock wouldn't you say try meaning make it or do you make something for them and say here, here's a fork Ville. I think a lot of our customers at our retail on say take this piece of Pollock can take it home and try it and tell me what you think because they're very reluctant, and they will take you home. And then it usually come back and say, wow, it was tremendously. Good, and how much more can you charge for that? Then say they pay it at the grocery store believe it or not our price off the boat are as competitive as a grocery store with the direct model because there's not that many people making as much money in the in between steps so our price to sell Adam cod in Littleton EMC off the boat is actually more forcible than the bigger companies out here, which is crazy, and that's for direct hook, you know, fish right off our boats. So are we do better by doing that? But there's not as much money made in the middle. And that's what's allowed us that really stay in business. If we didn't have this in the business, we would be out of business because it didn't work all sailing fish as many trips that have done with the beautiful hook can line Pollock that you see in food wine magazine. We came in with two thousand pounds of those fish and left with not even enough money to cover the fuel. We've we've literally wholesaled those fish out for thirty to forty cents a pound and made nothing for fish. That's considered some the best fish in the country. So it's a direct approach is people think it's only for the rich and wealthy that is actually very off off from the truth completely. So we're pretty competitive to what's going on with grocery stores or bigger chains or anything like that. And it's just the direct way that we do it. Businesses. Good. Yes. Business has been the retail under the business has been enormous. We have a huge following. And we have more and more folks saying we love what you're doing. And it's an old school way of doing business. I'm really proud of. It's a handshake in a thank you to our customers from the people that do the job, and that's fundamentals of what we've tried to do here. No, your fishermen, and they know. I believe one hundred percent and what we're doing Tim writer. Thank you so much. Thank you, all of you guys for supporting us out there very much. Question is Facebook going to have to pay for Cambridge Analytica. Maybe the question is how much will it pay? Let's back up. The Federal Trade Commission is reportedly nearing the end of its investigation into whether Facebook violated privacy rules when political consulting firm Cambridge Analytica shaped in part by alt-right consultant, Steve Bannon obtained data from tens of millions of Facebook users without their permission when the investigation wraps up. It could result in the largest fine imposed on tech company by US regulators today. So let's go to our weekly guide to the world of tech Recode. Kurt Wagner is senior editor covering social media Recode high card. Hi, robyn. So the FTC has been looking at Facebook for about ten months now since this Cambridge analytic scandal broke, what is the thinking that they're expected to issue. A a result. What are people saying? Well, there were reports at the end of the last week that the commissioners of the FTC met recently, I believe was in mid December to discuss imposing this massive fine on Facebook. And that they are close to get into the end of this investigation. Of course, the FTC is part of the federal government, which is currently shutdown. So there are some question about how soon this could actually happen report. So that some of the commissioners have been seen in their closed shutdown offices. So that's been a Tiwi people are looking at. But what is you know, Facebook guilty of here. Let's go back a little bit. Didn't they have a consent decree from twenty eleven that required them to get permission from uses of plans to share data? That's. Exactly. Right. So if we f- rewind, I guess, it was eight years at this point to two thousand eleven Facebook, head agreed to basically increase, the restrictions that they place on themselves and to get more permission from users about what data was collected and more importantly, what data was shared with other people, and they promised the FTC that they would, you know, get that permission from users before they made changes to their policies. And as we've learned with the Cambridge Olympic a situation. It does not seem as though Facebook necessarily followed that agreement that it came to which is what spurred this FTC investigation. And you know, if Facebook is found violated that agreement from two thousand eleven that's when we're going to see the fine implemented reported expected to be a record fine. Currently the most the FTC has find tech company is a Google in twenty twelve also for privacy violations that was twenty two point five million dollars, which doesn't even sound like a lot anymore. A but specially when it comes to. Tech company. How much would it have to be to be painful to Facebook? Yeah. That kind of fine anywhere in that ballpark would not be painful, at least financially Facebook is going to bring in probably m- well north of fifty billion dollars in revenue in twenty eighteen. And so, you know, even a fine of a billion dollars, which would be a massive jump over that twenty two million that Google find a few years ago would only be two percent of Facebook's revenue. Right. So there's not going to be a huge financial penalty here, or at least it seems hard to imagine the FTC could find Facebook enough for it to hurt financially. I think more importantly is will this change any of the rules and laws around what Facebook can collect? And how it uses it because that could hurt the business moving forward into the future other actions. There was a class action lawsuit filed by lawyers in the UK and the US against Facebook for the Cambridge analytic a scandal. It's just one of many lawsuits Facebook is facing. So might there be legal trouble beyond the FTC? There's definitely some potential for legal trouble. I think the FTC investigation is probably the most serious because not only does it come with this risk of financial penalty. But it does pose the risk of again, creating more regulation around the company what we've seen from some of these other lawsuits, the damage is less about, you know, financial thing. It's more about information about Facebook leaking out. So when we saw a few months ago about all these emails leaking out of Facebook that showed some of their privacy practices that was because those emails were part of a lawsuit that had been filed and then were made public. And so what we've learned from those is more about the inner workings of the company, and that's been damaging to its reputation more. So then you know, how it actually operates does is Facebook saying anything about this. No right now Facebook has been pretty much decline in common other than back in March. When this became known that the SEC FTC excuse me publicly said that it was. Investigating company. Facebook said, hey, we're participating, and you know, we're happy to answer any questions they may have otherwise they've been really silent since here, Kurt these. These might become very micro issues in look very macro right now like all of this big swath of of thought, but maybe they're just little micro things. And maybe overall people, you know, might ultimately give up in thinking that they can defend privacy. What what's your sense? I think this is has been the last two years of really been a chance for reflection on how we got here. And that a lot of these tech companies and consumers have realized that the notion of online privacy was very much ignored for the very beginning of kind of the social media craze. And no one really thought much about putting their photos in their address, and you know, their their contact lists online. And now it's coming back not only to bite, you know, consumers who feel like they've been betrayed. But it's coming back to bite these companies that took advantage of it. And so. I not sure that you know, you take Facebook fifty billion dollar revenue company and say all of a sudden you're going to be squashed into oblivion. But I do think that there's going to be some real pain when people start to wise up and leave those types of services, thank her senior editor for social media Rico. Thank you. Thank you, Robin. And here now is a production of NPR and WVU Arn association with the BBC World Service. I'm Robin young. And I'm Lisa Mullins. This is here now.

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"From NPR and Wbz you are I'm Tanya. Moseley I'm Robin Young it's here. Now there are no toxin site between Democrats and Republicans to reach a deal to help millions of Americans struggling financially during the pandemic eviction protection and six hundred dollars per week and extended unemployment benefits expired last month talks between Congress and the White House fell apart Friday although earlier today. Treasury Secretary Mnuchin said, he thought there would be compromise but meanwhile on Saturday president trump signed four measures to get around Congress extending unemployment to four hundred dollars per week extra. But making states pay for part of it and taking money from FEMA disaster relief in the middle of season. Let's bring an NPR White House reporter. Asia. Roscoe who's been following this. Hi. Hello. And we know Democrats want to keep the six hundred extended unemployment. Republicans wanted two hundred they say more takes away the incentive to go back to work. Here's the president with four hundred not he doesn't have the power of the purse constitutionally. So I are his actions enforceable. There are a lot of legal questions about these actions. Particularly, the unemployment benefits you know a a legal expert that talked to my colleague Tamra Keith said that when it comes to money for unemployment, I'm there could certainly be lawsuits because it seems like the president is calling for money to be spent in a way that Congress did not necessarily authorize. So these actions that he's looking at will likely face legal challenges challenges and there's also the question of how they would actually be implemented even if he tries to move forward with it, there's a lot of confusion over how they would actually be implemented. Right, and whether states can afford it. He initially said states would pay twenty five percent or one hundred dollars for every four hundred per week check yesterday he backtrack states might not have to pay. A governor saying maybe we can't Democrat Ned Lamont of Connecticut wondered if he should take the money from covid nineteen testing a Republican Mike Dewine of Ohio says his his statement may not be able to afford it so. The question is how soon this happened under trump's plan. There are no real answers right now coming from the administration unit President Trump's. Top. Economic. Advisor cudlow he was on the new shows yesterday and he didn't have specific answers about you know even the amount of the money that people would get. They don't know what states would actually be able to pony up, and then you have as you pointed out, states are already overwhelmed. So how are you? Expecting them to also come up with this money or to disperse this money. We know that even under the program that expired at the end of July that some people waited months and months to get their unemployment checks. and. We're still waiting. So now you have the president trying to do something that's totally unprecedented. And even with all of that said the money allocated to to back this would likely only last a handful of weeks before running out. So even when they if they were to get some checks out of the door, it would not last for long. So it's not a long-term solution. And what about the president's memorandum to pause payroll tax collection businesses and the self-employed not having to pay this tax? For Awhile. But then when it comes do won't it be much bigger? They're not this isn't forgiven its deferred. No, it would be deferred. The president can delay the deadline for collecting taxes up to a year. When you have an emergency declaration is Kinda like what they did with the income tax where they pushed the the deadline you know back to July fifteenth instead of April Fifteenth but that does not forgive the taxes they would still be old and the president cannot unilaterally forgive taxes that would have to be done through Congress. Well, you know. There's also a question of whether or not deferring that would hurt social security because. That's what those. Taxes go to pay for, but he also issued an executive order on addictions. What is that propose to do? So the the executive order on. On evictions actually just directs the Government to to to look at what they can do to help to help people who may be evicted to look at funds that they may be able to provide and to see if they can put in or to for the federal government to look at whether, they should extend some help or relief to people. So they don't get evicted if they decide that it is a threat to health so that water doesn't Actually Extend Eviction Relief it tells the government to look at it. Now and a extended relief for student loan borrowers. How would that work in the time we have? Yet. So student loan interest rates were cut two zero earlier. This year students could suspend their payments due September. Now, trump is pushing that back through the end of the year and he is saying that you there could be an extension even longer than that. And I should, what happens if Congress does come up with a deal to these executive actions just kind of go away. Presumably that's what would happen and that that the president would step back and that he would you know I think part of this is trying to force a deal in the meantime to try to force action. But you know it's not clear right now that the sides are really coming together. and. I was just GonNa. Say in the few seconds we have. Do you see any side letting go you? The Republicans maybe coming up from two hundred or Democrats down from six. What I mean both sides are saying that they need to come find some middle ground and so that certainly may be possible the the White House and the administration is going to be facing pressure because now that you've done these executive orders, people are GonNa expect to see something happen, and if things are happening fast, they're gonNA WANNA make a deal. White. House reporter Aisha Roscoe. Thank you so much. Thank you. Concerns continue to mount about mail and voting as the trump administration challenges, voting rules and makes changes to the postal service leading up to November's election meanwhile, North Carolina the start of. One Stop early voting is just two months away. An election officials are scrambling to make certain. They have enough volunteers to work the polls despite health risks because of the corona virus from North Carolina Public Radio Rusty Jacobs reports. And mobis signed up to work the polls for the first time in the march third primaries and loved it the sixty two year old retired attorney in western North Carolina's Bunkum county served as a precinct judge and said, she was looking forward to helping out again I just was so jazzed about it I didn't expect to really like it and find it as rewarding as I did but then the coronavirus pandemic hit the US and she decided that at her age with a predisposition to clotting it's highly unlikely. She'll volunteer this fall I would say that it. Would take a vaccine before I would be comfortable doing it, and even then I'm not sure health concerns like these contributed to pull worker shortages and hours long waits for voters in Wisconsin's April primaries. In Milwaukee, the number of polling sites on election day went from one hundred eighty to just five because there weren't enough volunteers to staff them. This election's officials, lawmakers and other policy makers are intensifying recruiting efforts and increasing incentives for the thousands of poll workers needed at twenty, seven, hundred precincts across. North Carolina on Election Day, and at one stop sites for early voting. Gary, Sims is the elections director in Wake County where the school system is made election day teacher Workday freeing-up students who might be able to help out at the polls just trying to get maybe a younger crowd involved elections assistance maybe as young as seventeen many of the jobs at pulling places this year will entail handing out masks to voters sanitizing voting booths after each use and keeping voters safely and socially distanced and getting younger volunteers is crucial since the average age of poll workers in North Carolina is upwards of sixty daymond cost a chairs, the state board of elections. That's. A population that's particularly concerned about corona virus and in one of the vulnerable populations according to the CDC Addison Grays at thirty year old school nurse. In Wake County, she signed up to work the polls this fall after seeing a public service announcement on social media, and it pays like up to two hundred dollars a day, and I was like Oh that's kind of enticing recently enacted state legislation provides additional hazard pay for poll workers and funding to help counties acquire enough personal protective equipment. The legislation also allows unemployed people to continue receiving benefits while collecting stipend as a poll worker. But Grey says for her volunteering is not about the money she was motivated by the calls for social and racial justice in the aftermath of the killing of George. Floyd. By a Minneapolis police officer I felt like I needed to be a better citizen as all of the unrest that's going on I wanted to do something. They didn't know what I should do which county is home to the state capital. Raleigh. The county has more than two hundred voting precincts and a large and growing population, which eases concerns about recruiting enough poll workers. But out. West in small rural Clay County Elections Director Rebecca Hall says with an older population. She's concerned fears of getting sick could make recruiting pretty hard as she saw with the runoff in the GOP primary for Congress we actually lost. Adverse sakes just for this off on the eastern side of the state in Chihuahua County Sixty, five year old June. Brit says her doctor advised her not to return as a member of multi partisan assistance team this year, the two person teams go to nursing homes to help residents, fill out registration and absentee ballot request forms. Caney with bronchitis and I have Adler. But Brit says she will work as chief precinct judge at a polling site even though her doctor would prefer she didn't she says she thinks you'll have more control in that setting to distance herself from others. To vote is a privilege and honor. And Brit says the others to vote is a blessing here now I'm rusty, James. A heat wave in Europe is complicating efforts to tamp down cove at nineteen temperatures have soared into the nineties and people are seeking relief in the water. A brawl broke out in Belgium when police asked people to leave an overcrowded beach and with infections rising and France where it is also very hot. There are new rules for wearing the BBC's Mark Lowen joins us from a restaurant and niece and mark explained the new rules. Well, the rules came into force earlier earlier on today Tanya for. Areas in and around Paris hundred areas there where wearing the mask is now bigotry outside. In order to try to bring down a spike in coronavirus cases around that area now that means that Harrison the area around that city now echoes. The city from where I'm speaking to you niece where a for some days. Now, there has been ruled to enforce what mask-wearing launch parts of the city centre, and if you are caught without a mosque, you risk nine hundred and twenty euros. For the first time you're court that's about one hundred and fifty dollars. That goes up to fifteen hundred euros for second offense and three thousand, seven, hundred, fifty euros and a six month possible prison sentence for third offense. But after say that police have not have been told to be. Lenient at the moment and not in not not issue the fines, and at the moment we are not seeing that the mosque wearing is particularly an strictly enforced or or that meant that many people are actually wearing masks in. Mark this culturally significant because Frances is known for outdoor dining and in folks gathering outdoors, can you explain that a little bit? Yeah I mean it's obviously a country that takes food very seriously indeed and. Outside dining, of course in the summer months is is very much the dumb thing. It's also a a country where it gets very hot in the summer. So now when we were out in the city centre earlier and we were asking some people, they were not wearing masks, they hit us just too hot and I said to one lady. You're risking fine should while I'm going to take that risk because it's just too hearts where if I go into a shop by will wear it but you know France is worried about the rise in in cases here it's a it's a two month high the infection race. He's the country in Europe with the third highest. Number of deaths over thirty thousand, and they are very very worried that they're on the cusp of a second wave here. I want to ask you a little bit more about that heat wave that you all are experiencing there and France you're in the French Riviera on the southeast coast of the country. This has really made fighting the virus really hard as as you said, because because it's so abnormally hot. Yeah, indeed, and on the beaches you see some people wearing masks before they go in swim but on the whole, you don't. So it'll be a question now of whether the police begin to enforce more tightly. And I think that very much depends on on the rate of infections over the coming days the level it's at the moment here. Now, the infections makes France a possible contender to be the next year Paean country on which Britain imposed quarantine. So Viz France could face mandatory quarantine when they travelled to Britain in the coming days or waiting for an announcement on that. If that happens that would hit the tourism industry very very badly indeed. That's the BBC's Mark Lowen speaking to us from niece France mark thank you so much. Well how about an escapist summer read j Courtney Sullivan writes a lot about female friendships. Her twenty ten novel commencement was set her Alma, Mater Smith College, and began as an Omar to marry McCarthy's classic the group which was set at Hers Vassar, and the Group is being read by Gossipy Neighborhood Book Club in Courtney's new novel friends and strangers, which is about book clubs and Message Boards for MOMS like the one courtney actually belonged to in Brooklyn and inequity particularly on college campuses, some students work in the cafeteria others study abroad, but it's also about babysitting I recently. Let us zoom. Talk. With Courtney sponsored by a consortium of libraries. Great Fun over an hour. Here's a little of that talk. It's about babysitting, which can be a profound experience. It sure was for many many years ago. It was a car accident everyone was okay but Anne title please get in touch. That's the thing that powerful babysitting experience is ephemeral everyone the hiring mom the babysitter the baby moves on maybe as in the case of Courtney's fictional mom Elizabeth and the college girl she hires Sam they might have trouble recognizing each other they were friends and strangers I asked j Courtney Sullivan. Why babysitting. I think those of us who were babysitters We understand something about the very specific rite of passage that is several years ago I wanNA say maybe eight or nine years ago I was at Smith College my Alma Mater to give reading. After the event I was going to my car and I'm standing in the crosswalk it starts to rain of course, because it's a very dramatic moment and this Nick Suv pulls up in behind the wheel of the SUV is this woman this mother whose baby girl I used to Babysit for my senior year of college and she very much put me on the path. That I ended up on, he knew she really encouraged me to be a writer, which is what I wanted most of all the world and introduced me to so many of her friends, it was just such a lovely lovely presence in my life. But as you said, that year my senior year that I spent babysitting for her daughter I felt we were very close and so here it's ten years later I see her I immediately know who she is and I'm like, hi. It's me Jim. No idea who I was and she just kept driving and so that night I was having dinner back in Brooklyn with a friend who's also a novelist and I was telling her this whole story was like we were so close. Then she didn't even know who I was. Jamie said Oh that sounds like it would be a great jumping off point for novel. And when you're fiction writer. Moments. And ideas and things that have this kind of shimmer around them were you know I'm going to write about that. Many years went by and then I was pregnant with my first child in this story was just really calling me because I felt like now I've been the babysitter soon, I'm going to be the mother I'm GonNa know. What it's like for both of these women's point of view, I love to write this kind of conversation between them, which in many ways, it's kind of a conversation with my younger self and also I had a piece in the New York Times this weekend about babysitting and I mentioned this woman in the peace and she ended up emailing me and so now we're back in touch, which is so wonderful. That's his. You sent me. I've been googling these poor children that I used to Babysit for who are like fifty now. You made me do that the New York Times and they were. You also pointed out that reading and babysitting share a distinct pleasure. They're both pulling back a curtain to see how other people live and I thought to myself a little. Do they know I mean nobody's listening right? You could go like see if they had like dirty magazines and I'm talking about like back. Then that was playboy I mean we're not. You know you could all their ice cream. To be. Home. When it's asleep, the house is literally asleep. If feels like the curtains are asleep late at night is a very intimate thing. The Best I remember knowing exactly how much ice cream you could take out of the container without getting that. Right, Oh you know your take like two cookies out of the box and some ice cream aunt is just a little bit here and there. From, the back of the box exactly and seeds something like your parents are such a puzzle and here's a couple you're watching them to you're watching them in their family and how are they functioning especially different from your family? Yes. Very much. So especially, mothers, they are these models of possible adulthood. It's true that you know people say like no one knows what happens behind closed doors, but your babysitter does no. Because at a certain point, you forget that the babysitter is there and that is where I sort of cut my teeth on being nosy eavesdroppers, which is essential for fiction writing and babysit go. Yeah. Well it's a reminder to again a lot of us are having flashbacks tour babysitting days on reading somebody's common. babysitting being shocked at the mother had wifey by Judy blume on her show. You know I had some really intense situations like you described to I care for these two little girls when I was in college and their mom asked me at one point she said, my sister could really use your house. I. Said Oh okay and The. This poor woman who she, her husband had been a doctor. She had two little boys and she was like eight months pregnant with a third little boy in her husband died of cancer. So these kids I. Mean I. I was coming into their home in this had just happened the little baby just been born when I first came along. And there was such an air of just you know. Sarah I mean it was such a heartbreaking place to be but then also like young children always add joy. So there was also joy and there were a brand new baby, which is a whole other emotional journey and it just. was such a part of their lives. In that case, it was such a short time. I couldn't tell you their names. Now I couldn't pick them out of the lineup and I'm sure they couldn't be either. But we just experienced this intensity together. That happens with babysitting. I. Think that happens with friendships to like I personally the older I get the more I'm just so grateful for my female friends but I, think you also do have these friendships over time. For whatever reason you know that friendship might actually change you in a very profound way but not last and I think that's going on in this book. In Chicago more than one hundred people were arrested after a night of looting and vandalism on magnificent mile the high end shopping area today, Chicago Mayor Lori lightfoot called it an assault on our city. This is not legitimate first amendment protected speech. These were not poor people engage in petty theft to feed themselves and their families. This was straight up felony criminal conduct. Videos on social media show littered streets, people leaving ransacked stores with bags of merchandise. A video even showed a car smashing through a glass window as dozens looked on as more people arrived the police presence grew gunshots were exchanged officials say several officers were injured and that the chaos could have been linked to the shooting and injury of a male suspect by police in the city sell side neighborhood of Englewood earlier. On Sunday, let's bring in wbz reporter. Patrick Smith. So Patrick Today police Lieutenant David Brown said what happened last night on magnificent mile was not an organized protest. So what is the thinking about what it was? Well I mean the police version of what happened as far as what organized this is. You mentioned that shooting there was a shooting on the south side of Chicago yesterday where police wounded twenty year old man who they say shot at them there was a big gathering of people out of tension between police and residents after that shooting police say that basically. Organized Collection of people took advantage of that moment basically when you have all the police in one place responding to protests and and went down in caravans, they described it as car caravans going gown to the shopping district to loot. He's saying not out of anger about the shooting but rather just. Using it as an opportunity to to try to steal high end items. There was a temporary halt on train and bus services into downtown. The city's drawbridges lifted to prevent more people from pouring in have officials been able to. Kind of restore order. Yet the the sort of vandalism and looting stopped early this morning although I will say that even as late as six or seven in the morning, there were still reports of people still still stealing things are smashing windows but but that has all stopped and been stopped for many hours. Now, as you mentioned, raised the bridges and they are even going to be shutting off access to downtown again. Tonight maybe for the foreseeable future, I will say the last time we had this kind of unrest they shut down the city shut down access to downtown, and what ended up happening is we had a lot of looting and vandalism in other parts of the city. You're hearing concern already from people and elected officials that by closing off access to downtown is just GonNa Kinda spread out the destruction today. Police say they have a plan in place to prevent that and and I don't mean to be fearmongering I'm not saying that will happen. It's just a concern from what happened last time. We'll just in the minute we have how are chicagoans reacting especially, you know black leaders. Well you're hearing a lot of mayor Lori lightfoot is is a black leader here in the city of Chicago we've also heard from Black Alderman. Who are who say this is terrible this is not the way to to show your your dissatisfaction not to wit not the way to express your righteous anger I've also heard from a lot of activists who are saying. You know essentially the language of Martin Luther King Junior which is that riots riots are the language of the unheard. Is People taking their anger and frustration to the areas of the city where. Hitting the city where it hurts in the pocketbook and that this is a an extension of the anger and protests that we've been seeing going on all year. I'll summarize. Patrick. Smith reported at WBZ in Chicago thank you. Thank you? Here. In America, we are not having as many babies as we used to over the last five years. We've seen a drop in birth rates and now according to the CDC rates are the lowest they've been in thirty five years. Now are beginning to track how this global pandemic will impact the future of childbearing affecting the makeup of generations to come. Christine. Wayland. Is a professor of consumer science at the University of Wisconsin Madison and joins us now with more professor. Welcome. Thanks so much for having me. So. What are some of the reasons we're seeing birth rates in the United States so low first of all birth rates have been falling consistently for the last several years and we see it because people are getting married later. Are pursuing their careers and we are feeling the economic pressures of trying to wait until couples feel that they have enough money to have a child children are costly, and so there's that dual income earner trap what was happening thirty five years ago I'm curious as to why it was low then and now it's the lowest we've seen since then. So. There have been baby boomers and baby bus throughout history I. Mean we can go back even further we can look at the Great Depression there was baby bust at that point because the economic situation was so grim then you had a post World War Two baby boom, the baby boomer generation as we call them and then on and on we've had some big and small a birth cohorts over the years that have tracked economics and the sort of the global situation at hand. People tend to not to choose to have children in times of uncertainty whether it be around money or health. We have also seen a consistent lowering of the pregnancy rate among teens and younger folks as well. So that has contributed to a lower birth rate to women in their forties. Though are actually having more babies. Why is that? In Vitro Fertilization and other assisted reproductive technologies have gotten so much better in the last decade or so, and that's allowing women to extend their reproductive years. So we are seeing women in their late thirties, early forties, and even into their mid forties having children with some extra medical help, and it's important to make the distinction though that these women over forty are of a certain class as as medical procedures are really very expensive. Absolutely. These in vitro procedures can run fifteen thousand dollars or more, and that's assuming you're using all of your own gambits and and so many people as they're getting older are using donor gates, which makes things even more costly. You know we're six months into this global pandemic but how do you think it will impact birth rates in the future both here in the United States and really globally? So here in the United States, the early indications are that the birth rate is going down even further. So we are seeing fewer women than normal pregnant right now, which makes sense infection of the concern about trouble in pregnancy, and also again, the economic concern leads people to be more cautious at the same time though we are seeing an increase in birth rates and pregnancies in some developing nations as access to contraception becomes more difficult to come by. So it's really a mixed bag on a global scale, but in the United States I, think our birth rate is going to drop even lower because of this pandemic what will this mean for the economy in the workforce? When we have smaller generations and bigger generations, you know this, this causes all sorts of challenges in terms of social security and retirement benefits, and you know government benefits who's going to be paying for who however, there are some benefits in the short term to being a smaller generation, it's easier to get into college. There's less competition for particular jobs. So, there could be a little bit of both with that and as we come out of the pandemic, as we hopefully get into more secure economic times, we may see it baby boom similar to the nineteen fifties post. World. War. Two baby boom as we have a desperate attempt to return to a sense of normalcy. Yeah I mean I'm thinking about how this will change family structures and dynamics imagine that generation will have to care for their parents at a much earlier age. Absolutely. Right now, we talk about the sandwich generation where you're caring for young children and for elderly parents. But you know in the future, we may have generation that is having children so much later themselves in part because they are caring for their aging parents and that that delays their childbearing years even further as they make the decision that they really can't or don't want to handle both. So, with all of this in mind, should we be alarmed by these numbers? How should we be processing this in the context of the moment? I think the main thing to know is that on a national scale and a global scale. All of this does go in cycles. So don't write off the family quite yet There will be another baby boom, the challenges depending on women's age and people's economic conditions. It will affect certain families right now very directly. So you can take the the large view, but know that for many people, this is a topic that's really hitting close to home. Pristine Wieland is professor in the Department of Consumer Science at the University of. Wisconsin. Madison thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Well, president trump has denied reaching out to the south. Dakota. Governor to have his face added to mount rushmore as reported by the New York Times the president tweeted that was fake news although he added sounds like a good idea to me. Meanwhile a monument. Atlanta Georgia is getting more attention in Stone Mountain Park. A massive tribute to the confederacy chiseled into rock has become a focal point for a reckoning on racism, a meal moffitt reports, for W., A. B. and the America amplified initiative. A Walk along a trail at stone mountain can be peaceful but looming over all this natural beauty is a nearly one hundred foot tall carving of Stonewall, Jackson Robert e Lee and Jefferson Davis all on horseback with their hands pressed against their hearts. The original design of the monument was created by Goodson Lem the same sculptor carved Mount Rushmore. Through the years, millions of people have stood in this spot and looked up among them. Beverly. Clark Jackson Mississippi visited with her high school choir group in the seventy s and it was just really exciting because it was the first time I had ever seen the the carving. It was just magnificent. Clark who is why todd elementary school including civil war history in Jackson for years earlier, the summer news reports from Georgia caught her i. went on July Fourth Armed. African American protesters marched on Stone Mountain demanding the carvings removal. That prompted Clark to write a letter to leaders in dekalb county where the State Park is located. The fact that it is is just a gorgeous piece of art I. Don't see how anybody could want anything to happen to it. That's one of the things that just. To be preserved for all time preserved even if it honors the men who took up arms against the united. States in defense of slavery. But Ed Williams an African American educator and community activist who lives in the Atlanta area argues that the carving isn't as much about the civil war as it is about more recent history. I believe that they carving depicts among a time in our history where America embrace racist the tribute to the confederacy wasn't actually completed until the early nineteen seventies. That's fifty years after work began on it and more than a century after the confederacy fell there was. Huge issues are racism here in Georgia in throughout the South Williams became involved in efforts to either remove or modify the carving five years ago when protests erupted in Ferguson Missouri over the death of Michael Brown at the hands of police and William says, the most recent wave of protests makes a change at stone mountain even more pressing realization to our millionaire is de racism still exists in his so obvious ness something that we can no longer tolerate in. American psyche in our public squares, he's gathering signatures on a petition and continues to press state lawmakers to make a change and he has the attention of at least one at Georgia capital. Democrat State Representative Shelley Hutchinson I would be okay if they just Sam lasted it off. I mean there's Stone Mountain in and of itself is someplace to visit and the Nice Park and I'd love to bring my kids there and I do not go there because of it. In. The final days of this year's legislative session. Hutchinson introduced a bill banning confederate symbols on state property, but that would conflict with a current law passed in two thousand nineteen by Georgia's Republican controlled General Assembly. The prohibits the removal of monuments. The Stone Mountain Memorial Association says its hands are tied by that law still in recent years the Association says they've done what they could play the celebration of the confederacy in the park to quote adjusted changing feelings and the public on the issue. For here, and now I'm a meal Mont.. And historian part of the America. Amplified. Initiative National Public Media. Collaboration focused on community engagement reporting. One of the Senate seats Democrats are trying to flip in November is in the state of Colorado that's where Republican Cory Gardner will face off against former governor and presidential candidate Democrat John Hickenlooper, and that's where we turn to for this week's Senate tracker. Bente. Burke. Land. Is a public affairs reporter for Colorado Public Radio and joins us with more welcome happy to be. Here seven to I WANNA start with Cory Gardner who has held this seat since two, thousand, fifteen he calls himself a common sense conservative and he was asked on Colorado public radio in July about his opposition to the affordable care act what he'd like to see in its place. Let's listen what I look forward to working on a plan to protect people with preexisting conditions. Planned it allows people to buy health insurance across state lines, the builds on the risk pools to drive down a insurance to build on the telemedicine work that we're doing but I don't think socialized medicine is the right way to do it in fact, Colorado ben to how would you describe what Cory Gardner? Has Been like in the Senate and and what he's running on Well, when Gardner was first elected in twenty fourteen, he narrowly defeated. Incumbent. And he ran on the idea that he will be a different kind of Republican. So he's a strong supporter of all of the above energy policy including wind and solar, and he recently scored a political win with the passage of this bipartisan great American Outdoors Act and he sponsored that legislation. It's a public land's package and it would help fix ailing national parks and hope states and local communities get new lands for parks and so gardeners definitely positioning himself as someone who will work across the aisle on issues that are important to voters like the outdoors. Is he aligning himself with President Trump. He definitely is, yes, he aligned with the president's on impeachment on on a lot of the big issues. He's not split from President trump and he's one of only two Republican senators up for reelection in the state president trump lost, and so he's walking this fine line between aligning themselves with the president which he needs to get Republicans who support the president and I've talked to Republican voters who say we want Gardner to back the president strongly, we don't WanNa see any daylight there at all converge a lot of other people who want to see incredible daylight don't feel like he's been independent Let's look at Democrat John Hickenlooper a former governor as I mentioned and presidential candidate. Here's a recent at our country's a lot thrown at us but we can come back stronger and more just than we were before we can put an end to this era of corruption and chaos. The sense of Washington isn't even trying to make people's lives better. We've got to do everything we can to make a change. Up Against Gardener what is shoes is Hickenlooper focused on. He's definitely focused on this idea of going to Washington to change dysfunction get things done when he was governor two terms and then he was the Denver Mayor for two terms. He was a popular governor and Colorado had one of the strongest economies in the nation and he tried to be a moderate force to get different groups together to build coalitions, and he was somewhat business friendly especially with the oil and gas industry supports that industry. Another big thing we're hearing from Hickenlooper and Democrats is that he will stand up to. President trump, and this is one of the races that could determine which party controls the US Senate. So for a lot of voters I've talked to the races bigger than Cory Gardner. The raises bigger than John Hickenlooper. He's also had some missteps he recently apologized for comments. He made six years ago comparing politicians to slaves being whipped to roll in slave ship. An ethics investigation also found he violated a state ethics law by accepting flights on private planes. When he was governor are those issues hurting him are coming up to the forefront. They didn't primary and I think they will. Again I also covered a racial justice forum during the primary was at the height of the George. Floyd protests and one of the first questions moderator asked. What does the term black lives matter mean to you and he said it means all lives matter that upset a lot of people he apologized for that. He said he wasn't using that phrase in a way that some people were interpreting it to mean but. A lot of voters I talked to felt hurt that he was so out of step or is that how he really feels and so? Having said that he won the primary by twenty percentage points. And he is popular. He's well liked I. think those issues will matter. But for a lot of voters, there's bigger concerns that play was control of the Senate and everything that's going on. So. It sounds like you've spoken with a lot of voters but what do poll say about this race? One. Of the polling groups called morning console was one of the most recent polls and it has taken up by six points over Gardner and as a comparison the same poll has Joe Biden up by thirteen points in Colorado over president trump. So because Garner and trump are linked, the political analyst I've talked to have said that you know trump has a narrow his margin fairly significantly for Gardner to have a chance here because there will be some split ticket voters but it's not going to be a huge percentage of people that don't vote for trump but do support gardner. Bente burke land is a public affairs reporter for Colorado public radio so much for joining us. Thank you. And here now is a production of NPR. WB You are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm Tanya Moseley Robin Young. Here.

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NADDPOD Live in Pittsburgh (Hardwon the Headless)

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NADDPOD Live in Pittsburgh (Hardwon the Headless)

"Everyone who came out to our effect tore it was so much fun the crowds kept US energized. What was an insane schedule Hilas elected this is a head gum podcast hey guys it's Murph and Emily Hi first off thank you an important moment in the podcast that was decided by a die roll in this case we'll be replaying the moment that hard one at this is not another De podcast series everybody thank you the first now without further ado on with the show welcome to the campaign after the campaign the fact that my loved one is dead guys so let's do a little recap to set the scene the band of boobs have just traveled Frost Wind Jim Lebron's beard was set to marry the Pale Prince Gerard Cold Dane during the wedding welcome party however Jemma was after the player introductions but they're still an introduction to the show so you aren't missing much we'll get to that in just a second but emily I have something important we'd like to plug handed over his axe to Jane Lebron's beard and told her to kill him if he really thought he was capable of Gemma's murder Are Sketch show hot date is coming back to pop TV for season do this Friday September twentieth that's tomorrow if you're listening on the fascinated by a cloaked assassin while out on a private balcony with hard one hard one of course failed is perception check so the decision was it was kind of a toss up but the audio for this one was clean and it feels like a great episode so I posted it for some reason the recording didn't start until be here thank you guys so much for coming out welcome to the show this is the net effect tour tonight we are going to be replaced this comes out yes and it also happens to be our wedding anniversary so if you want to celebrate with us you can watch on TV or episodes Friday September twentieth they'll be two episodes at ten and ten thirty the season is in New Orleans super five and our characters are planning the wedding so it's very relatable we've got some great guest stars like Thomas Lennon Randall Park and Margaret show so yeah please check it out we really love the season and it gets even better us what you saw while and pop aw waited at the tavern for Jana the rest of you did a little detective work and discovered that the assassin was a devil and so savage too hard one you guys did escape the party before you could be in criminal aided that then sent an animal messenger to Gemma sister the warrior Jane Lebron's Beard and asked her to meet you at a tavern named accurate who is pulling the strings of the assassins guild in town when you returned to the tavern to meet Jana and just download the TV now APP and stream. I believe the entire season yeah they're gonNA drop every episode on the pop now apps you can download that or you can watch she at one point liked you or at the very least felt sorry for you and your position that's all I need savage but ah however you're not greeted as a friend but as a suspect now hard one you have a long history with JANA cheers Chris Berg guys it is the last night of the nanny fly effect tour and we are pumped I'm not sure what other way it could've went really just Kinda your hand the axe she doesn't kill you that's it it's just happily ever ear here you have shown up in a strange city on the night of your XS murder right before she could wed someone else the dagger that killed Gem Jana ordered her nights to arrest you all and you reluctantly so Gina and her nights had searched your bags and found a treasure trove suspicious items including to protect US love no needs it well on this they're all caught up intros it yourself during the fight hard one offered his axe to Jana and told her that if she truly thought he was capable of killing Jemma to go ahead going to go a little differently and that's where we are now so hard including that you have the murder weapon on you and you gave her an axe right so good so far okay China look if you if you think I bear any responsibility for this in some small way shape or form do you think I could even be partially partially responsible through negligence I beg you take my head and you have just handed your ax to Jane Lebron's beard someone who has who's extremely emotional who feels like she veiled as the bodyguard of the royal family who's in an emotional place because she just lost her sister who has many reasons to be mad at you ED and take him out right then and there and in the original timeline you were able to convince her and she threw aside but tonight Chris Berg but you see Jana clearly kind of having acted in the moment sprayed across her face and staining her tunic looks possessed for a moment and then just kind of throws the axe to the side we have a flight booked for you back down and there's a car waiting outside Atlanta y Yeah Ed Bouchette beverly I give you a really poorly formed thumbs down Kazimi or is this how hard one would've wanted to go I don't think this is anyone wants to go oh okay stop in shock as hard ones head rolls from his body and his body collapses to the ground you see Jana with blood ah just kind of realize what she's done throws the axe to the side and turns to her nights and just goes we need to go leave them I don't think hard one was big irony I don't think you know what that word meant you're right or if she did the right thing or not it's Kinda just shell shocked and her and her soldiers quickly run off okay I run up to hard one back at starts holding you back here soldiers now holds he knows that this could be just moment what is that negative motion you've done with your hand I don't know but it feels very inhospitable moonshine in beverly EC Jane and he he runs down thank you and he goes oh so glad to see you guys Oh my God don his body but not on his head I would like to take hard ones head and put it on his belt has it for a second then steels herself an instantly slices through hard one snack okay there is no comfort who wakes up in the morning like I hope I get my head chopped off he loved beheaded in life so much he would not appreciate the subtle nuance headless body just spraying everywhere just twitching okay okay you see Jane Ed cast reincarnate but Moonshine you do know somebody who could reincarnate hard one and they look confused by lady we need to go and you see she takes off breath so so hard what is dead beverly you are not yeah Yup it's bad this is your can you hold him up blood spurting everywhere just sitting here let's get ourselves a road trip bow nor I know that you've done such good work with the bags what if you guarded the body I live there man so you see the bronze beard soldiers who were attempting to arrest Beverly Moonshine the tie you tie hard ones head right next to and then it looks like they're giving eskimo kisses Addi level yet where you can cast revivify and even if you could it wouldn't work not at a level where I can cast reincarnate and Moonshine cannot this is how hard one would have wanted to go who just wakes up in the morning it says they want to get decapitated moonshine to find her but that is kind of your only hope to save hard one is to get to the airship and get to meemaw yeah let's head for the ship that's book it let's with the knights split do you want me to be to not really mean that stay for rush hell yeah and I was probably super tense right when I die it's I'm looking like beefed up basketball yeah can I do underwear this is weird sweetly gently let me go ahead I'll put on a pair of boxers I think he would like these puts on a pair of super baggy south cast gentle repose or the duration the target is protected from decay and can't become undid so for ten days your body's how is it shea that was honestly my first thought talking to buy it is it's me mop it is me mommy mom rush down to the frost wind docks towards your airship and you see that there are iron doors here these big iron gallons the next blood papa was being Pablo is being held captive upstairs by the bronze beards but scrambles down the stairs when he hears that he needs to hold you it's likely that they could flee via the C O and you see he was upstairs with Papa but bow nor runs down the stairs with fire forged bellies patrolling while frost wind city guards search various boats to investigate obviously if somebody killed itself I know it's not gonNa work so I just use a first level here healing word I don't think I can't but bound I've been bouncing this off people ah I'll put the body in the bag with as much respect as I could muster you see he has a lot of trouble every job just quickly look a little bit like truck nuts feels like the three you guys plan this without me right now cards and this is of course you speak a one word command to a creature you can see within range and that one word command I think will be sure does rape tell me how you guys proceed it's just won iron dwarf in two Guards Kill Them Josh is strong enough that she could reincarnate hard won the problem with that is that far away right now right she is very far away and you would need okay he makes a what wisdom saving throw at Wisdom Save Okay we'll see thank you right amazing this isn't a vision wow insane yes is this how you want to go no I WANNA go suffocate Bash Jays tits Oh no oh so now I go back a if you could kindly eggs yeah single iron dwarf here and to city guards I'm going through your boat one comes out one of the guards comes out with the secret picture of gems all right everyone calm down sued you guys go ahead and you you sneak up to the storm born and you see that there is this one dude is able to steal the rest of the picture away the other guy and goes let's this fucking idiot jumps yeah come on you guys all work to push hard one into the bag you successfully get hard one's body in the bag in this body is way bigger than him here hard ones pants falls tenderly he's now wearing the park boxers I this is emotionally abusive I think he would want to go this way plate he's not my best guys please moonshine you got something because I've got a thought maybe I'll add love to hear you calm I would like to cast command on on one of the that hard won and the captain's quarters let the think this is everyone knows it's a tasteful photo off the boat and just don't sit into the water and the other guard goes what the hell are you doing man you just don't paper and the water a that is a natural seven he fails you see this dude is covered in bugs and and up jumps into the water after his friend surprisingly tasteful I might keep for myself no dude I wanted they start fighting over the picture and hard one you're not here to see this but the okay okay bowel nor actually has lucky halfway you can roll again that's better better we don't and I say dunk and I point to the water next to the dock yeah cast infestation on him to try and get him to jump into the water gotTa Save Very Constitution pitic it's weird the bag of holding should be big enough but starts trying to sham and trying to fit a suitcase in the back of a cab staff sweet sweet poets the story that tells us better than any we could we've joints take care of our dad I got a six twenty one wo de Natural One jake okay I'm thinking I'm thinking we just try and bypass this door just get on their get going yeah you're under arrest on you heard the iron sorry and the dwarf goes please get the other so is that other guy looking over the ED quick people are going to start swarming the ship right now you've just got this one iron chef on there at any point if someone would like to use an action or a bonus that is bound turn hey bud layoff or we have history dunked this is ruined it's covered water and bugs at this point as these two guards jump in sounded okay it makes a second attack that is a natural nineteen that's definitely going to hit that is another twenty one damage Glam attacks on you if you will not yield I will slam you twenty two ahead average better than me this is GonNa get retired but in the bag moonshine you're I you also know that if you guys don't take off on this airship pretty action to pull the lever and she goes off on to the sea that would guarantee that you just have to fight this dude to you however you guys want to proceed it's your turn doc Chinese sports the robot I am you have spit on me then I think I'm GonNa Moonshine thank you for protecting our cool dad twenty five damage to you moonshine as he smacks when the giant metal fist and I smacked the Mike hopefully so join us my action to just the natural sixteen that is going to hit with his modifier and then a seven suites take this the wrong way but you're a great belmore this sounds something more like what I would expect the gum out of your mouth a man is dead right we must protect hard one exactly what this guy's voice is always out there is something weird about Oh please drop it weapons I do Sim by it again to destroy them real quick for twelve then that was he thinks man we're dad flying from the air please yield a seven does not do it that's fifteen natural fifteen is going to do it yeah negative fix sweet from our I'm gonNA use my movements just run buying jump onto the boat right on okay this iron dwarf on addition to fifteen is going to act is going to run forward and take a couples for me that's an honor opportunity attacks I'll say you can attack with advantage if you jump on him you hear one of the dudes from the water goes now that is how you dunk ORF does turn around and see you everybody go ahead and roll initiative I was about to do it but then I heard one here's the thing I would like you to play bound that's fourteen damage does the thunder do anything to the robot yeah all right time to roll the dice Oh and Papa held in action to as soon as everyone was on the boat that is Ben Stern cool since they're both on the boat now yeah I'll just misty step onto the boat and toss a javelin at the at the Gholam Sweet Baby Ryan doors very against the law legal your voice is so soothing thank you making Stewart's done the ocean l. uncomfortable something own creature and must succeed on a string saving throat but it's a robot so probably not please do not call you are under arrest everyone here is breaking the law throwing javelins at surge and pretty much most of your abilities that's a six on the eight or so yesterday on the DA is a plus five so that's eleven damage and all another eleven damage Ballard doing work over here L. owns sorry I guess I should have just attacked he can play pop on now yeah we should probably you know maybe I should do like a lemon in there trust PA by runs out yeah like a setting on my speaking stone ask you questions you can actually download one that. WWW that frost wind sukru as you guys shoot off the iron door falls back into the water all action surges Bela Bartok's bound audiologist Omni slashing him from the air that's going to do And then Paul Paul pulls the trigger sweets yeah yeah at the end of Initiative Papa runs forward will ever twenty one super head can do thunder smart with Javelins yes Watch a boy called lightning let's do this and you know that while you were heading north to frost wind the Creek Elvis were making their way west to glade home from the creek you know the general takes about six days of sailing just to get back to the main continent you make your way near Glade home and begin to do a sweep of the area heading east hoping to catch the Creek elves ah that's a natural eighteen bell nor sweep that hits go ahead and roll a D eight Lou I'm nora also has accent sir action giant is behind the table thick yeah us see beverly the most about Balladur's turn bow nor cast jump on bowel nor deo half that they would take to get there but you don't know where they would be right now and time is of the essence you have ten days to be able to reincarnate hard one avs it with his mouth and pulls it down and you guys shoot off into the sea I'm going to say but you guys take off you let down the sales and begin traveling from the frigid north down to the main continent exception or an investigate check could help actually yeah totally also make his own one if you want he is a lawyer so I'll say he's it closed he likes to wear what like a double xl so it's nice bagging what is gone into you download the action certain tax already so make a second attack with advantage to yeah yeah you're coming you're coming from the sky Along their path and before long nine days have passed and you only have one day to find meemaw but on the tenth day you see something dreamily suspicious you are combing the area near Glade home then make your way to iron deep in the mountain pass where the creeks would have Fran Papa agrees there's a lot of a lot of duke the drawers and evacuate himself I feel like getting killed this park the airship get out investigate this you see that these words were killed by Creek elves more specifically it looks like a slaughter you see dozens of dead dwarfs moonshine and bad go ahead and give me a now I'm going to say this ir door is quite flat footed who's going to do a dexterity saving throat and not just big fall-back shout out to the on natural twenty sweet you all did a really good job congratulations to everyone thanks man you guys they're gonNA roll the border guard Scott Park and save the day Hellier I wrote once I'm going to be ruled that okay arguably lucky of raspy breathing coming from one door you do not look like they're from IRA deep iron deep soldiers are usually heavily armored but these look like barbarians mountain folk wielding crude weapon but this looks like a strategic attack more like it was perpetrated by wild shaped druids than actual animals and you see these dwarves sky you let the sales down and out hard ones body and air it out uh-huh and light armor with animal pelts and you guys take a moment and pause and examine the carnage when suddenly you hear the tiniest Paul thank you for lending us your enthusiasm so we could spit right back at Ya Oh yeah I've decided to post our Pittsburgh show I think all the shows were really good eh you see there are arrows and then bite marks from animals on the bodies it looks like some of them were gored title to really mess up your clothes maybe we should do a load of wash yeah yeah I don't know hard one yeah plus five has a need I got twenty six damn nineteen so he's good too I've had to travel to reach the western coast while traveling through the Valley of the cloud breaker mountains UC the aftermath of a battle Bel nor also rolled a d twelve valve world and other natural one heard voice shaggy from Scooby Soy Lyon that they'll get dunked on so you all take off on the airship shooting in Okay I'm GonNa run you run onto the shampoo your jump is tripled so you could just jump on jump onto the ship you don't take any the you guys walk over to him and you find this dwarf barbarian with a Mohawk lying on the ground with an accident his side his eyes are glazed in he's barely clinging to life just staring forward holding his neck which is Lee happen here we'll glad you asked me and my my family my people we tried to attack a band of the Laura just get it away from me Okay Papa you know what you are not everyone's Cup of tea I'm alive was he had his hand like over his neck halt like holding it in Oh you're in a bad way friend I feel better now okay yeah I'm working on a quilt and grants that sounds great friend rage I was about Burien against my will actually yes I have one more question yes go is this how you thought you would want to die uh-huh okay well yeah what's your name Bud jubilant I'm sorry javelin yeah I heard her Jiffy pop and further away Lynn the patch up his horrible neck wound bath as you lay hands you see that you could pretty much see his throat the only thing that was keeping I'm sorry all I had resisted bootleg shoestring it looks pretty fetching the needles quite thicky Crochet uh this is GonNa hurt a whole lot I start like sewing up his neck with that's a good question but being text by a chilling clocks Papa sure okay good good good good I mean not for you you're so polite for being such like a murderer yes it wasn't quite my fault I was I was I was kicked in me it's close but it's not quite jubilant Dylan Deffalegn liked jeff meets jazz don't that wasn't an accurate correction I'm not mad I'm nice I'm good you seem pretty chill right now dealing quite chill right now spent most of my life enraged but I feel good now moonshine is he dead should I kill him no no no no no he's a lab okay you are alive right a so do you are you bad allowed to align myself with you sure actually I think I'm good as long as a happen here because I don't want to think that Mommy Mama people are savage without res going to die instantly if somebody who doesn't so you see so given you actually know the way that the Creek elves probably traveled you can lead these guys he's yes there was one a buxom old lady who turned into an ilk in and Tapie Chevy Yeah Cute Yes that actually feels quite right Davey Davey well taking ills and they made us why we wanted load off my no we we are the bad ones it's easy cavern that will allow more direct trip through the mountains however these tunnels are notoriously dangerous they were once had it would seem that the creek elves are quite a ways ahead of you and you do not have a lot of time however there just happens to be another path through the mountains we we had what of our friends was murdered not as many of our friends died is your friends clearly although you seem to be okay with it he he were evil I shake my head solemnly so javelin leads the way and takes you guys through the valley and to a hi sweet little taking the whole thing very well I hated my people I'm afraid let's go let's guys enter the cavern you do see evidence that the creek elves have passed through here I got a fourteen fourteen Jim I'm holding your Barf so I mean if when we're out here the dirt and gravel on the floor has clearly been disturbed as well but you don't hear anyone echoing in the tunnels as a rolling start and you guys immediately take off everybody go ahead and roll initiative is this initiative it looks to be a little bit faster you guys see going through a different tunnel but in the same direction is a dusty old mine cart covered in spider webs the track looks to still be intact I'm not seeing any leftover crawdads around the mine cart is there a reason that the also a little bit of dripping because she was pregnant oh it's amazing congratulations how wild shape I wasn't I wasn't able to say anything because I had my throat too you see little yellow as them corpse curb stomps a bunch of young quite glad that is the opposite of a gentle repose all right well let's follow them hoof print so you follow me Mas Hoof Prints you see that she clearly dragged more of Jilin's family along the way to see if we get carsick yeah this is in what order people are seven I got nine ride the mine cart through these tunnels you see little yellow is appearing and like tiny boroughs throughout the tunnels everybody go ahead the everybody who got hit which is just moonshine moonshine you take twelve damage from poison darts on cart okay let's see yeah don't trust machines I get I'm let's go sweep you guys hop in the mine cart Balladur hops out gives as you hop onto the cart you fungal form yeah you guys see on initiative twenty you guys here a little echo through the cave of tiny voices going used for mining bat but have long been abandoned and said to be cursed by dwarf ghosts good good good good zone also see dwarf in body bags they hits my second cousin Trevor Good be quite good I step on that throat and then go ahead and give me constitution saving throw limousine seventeen you pass you cannot get poisonous on initiative fifteen you the oh you sweet naive dwarf fourteen damage on the bats swing in so you guys see on initiative twenty that is the Lehrer action we do this before we start I do fungal form you've fully these are two swarms of bats fully have one of the worms you just kill three bats with one swing sweet I'll try to kill some more sweet twenty men fuck bats roots bound Zoellick's what why did I feel like I needed to say that I home by the way okay okay so no we're not and anyone else to delete cabbage the okay let's kiss ooh bound to re role that ooh Yuck I hate bats and then you guys see Ooh on initiative ten echoing through the cave hearts you is it you survive that's so disappointing I hate you hate off both of them miss their just flying around you just chaos in this cart animals want to eat you bad I hate bugs that's instantly the bat we were they Dracula's though they were just regular bat okay thank goodness they they now get advantage on me shot into the two crew but I'll be going with the twenty two that I got a girl super hits Z.. To swarms of bats fly down from the tunnels and go Jilin may quit it really is they're just surveying Zine anyone here you want made because we're not a guy named it lady over there was the worst of all she was given that is your turn I'm going to swing at the bats calling sweet baby spokesman they want to attack them recklessly careful if things go wrong do you want me to make you mad he might be effective okay I'll just tell it hurts your feelings dede's the damage to the cheese US Chilean you cleave through the rest of the bats in this warm and fully take out all of the oh you thought about chew on my deathbed and regret being mean to you bought I loved every second of it I thought I would come back for a bit more right because I live your mother and I we wanted to have kind of a lot of fun when we were young then we go pregnant with you ruined events the weirdest Christmas Card a Jilin's dad is going to fly in the Book Baby Oh no G Evelyn you hear a familiar voice gals were taken this I don't know maybe they're fucking pussies there are thousands of creek elves and this is one jubilant be careful these could be dracula in disguise drake euless what the fuck is a drink no down laurel all in front of the table Ballard needs to roll a thirteen or higher to save on this you don't cower spits them out the other the other three ghosts are going to do my cousins skull Dave strike they can follow it there and get out of here yes my dad life I had nothing to do with it Oh yeah when I was conceived not fair that you put it on still you do see four Dwarf Ghosts Jilin your immediate family your mom your dad your sister and your brother the fly in are going to go after you guys in the car that's my mom my dad my brother and this nice to meet you jaylen smaller got I said I'm not proud of you bid I ha- sibling goes into a rage. Yeah I'm actually really proud of this guy I'll be his dad if you won't be during touch on volition you see the data's already gone your mom goes says a hot Gorey's this more there and just seeing here makes me so me I survived the arena right you get into issue four it makes me WanNa go into each that I'm used this sound so that is the moon shines turned okay would you say that ghosts are vapor gas or fog pray at Bell Nor can you say that you're not proud of what you say mother on she wants to go to hail with this so we'll be a family down there are now not inhale it I want to go this away from me up and attempts to possess bow nor and I keep myself honest I'm gonna go ahead and Spider cosign on the head please are you my son's friend yeah I cross it'd be dexterity saving throws as blow poison darts at you ooh Jilin now there's going to be twenty and then spores him for twelve jevons dad is immune to being poisoned hates ghost finally a little twenty-seven to hit sh she yeah must've been puts me the right I'm already provides so y'all must have such a contentious but pleasant thanks the seventeen aquatic damage that does not have she does hate you you see your brother is going to go after you I G Evelyn would you say that these are Fai- or fiend no well damn her if it's just like it disperses fog it's not gonna work there like they are entities then I'm just going to attack Jimmy Johns Dad pull life already it's such a blow me having my son here they're both smiling every brother and that means sending you to heal sorry really violates a packed well you know go fuck yourself then I guess I'll just hit them with a source how can't be poisoned can't be dispersed not fair phen- my dad's a fiend is that is bev stern I cannot stand the sight of a bad dad don't like him at all may so look at him I really thought that might make you appreciate me but I guess you relish Dad Hell Yeah Yeah I a light my sword with a holy justice and I slice into your fucking dead silence it's so hard that's going to be twenty three on the first attack in the park to feel like I'm catching half the words it's just like a vowel stew complete silence you so much thank you thank you shut up because we can't add the numbers aw maybe in real life but I'm a ghost you've just about as stupid as my son I guess I swan this isn't exactly therapy but it might be close enough he's going to be able to swing and hit this time I remember baseball ause this is just kind of a little slap kind of just slapping you go sleep hand if you don't mind I must admit I'm glad you did oh well you'll be joining me soon I hope you go to Hell Oh that's nice to know she went to Hill I've unfinished business in to die and then we sewed up his neck and he was really brave about getting sewed with a crochet needle and some bootlegger these it trooper to kill you Oughta I missed I think my heart wasn't in it good you know have a nice night Jeevan a good time to go into rage I oh I'm there I'm there I'm there I'm quite a one thousand nine don't forget dad plus four to one and I'm going to do a second levels might and that's going to be several days so give me a second here everyone please be but I won't give you I won't give you the citizen of decapitating you with his sword h my whole life because I was so mad at myself because I couldn't please you ought to new friends here and this new dead uh-huh reeks of tuna they told me that they should focus more rage on places this shit like you I obviously tossed villain in say Ooh does thirteen hit twelve sorry twelve does hit what he has to go sleep yeah he he does head that is sixteen damage I hate my family and that is ooh thank you for yelling because it was a fourteen and he added it wrong so that's really helpful Beverly Finished Jevons Dad the people's Knicks and I blink pop up Your Dad Papa rips out his goals how did gray playing with a bunch of second graders couldn't even hit on bice could you now you know what did you kick me and offer the cart to my desk it's been y'all know that was my only freed that is Lee neck and you see his entire ghostly being goes into PA Papa's swallows him immediately begins like gagging and burping I want to look at my test I did a good job and he was I wasn't I wasn't potty trained as a two year old so he was saying you should have learned hi I'm Steven sister brother what was your name sister Javelin Joplin something we should save this is not natural little piece I take some Tupperware for and then you guys see on Initiative Five Toll Plaza don't worry I pick up some of the throw up it's like this is glowing I feel like this is and then you guys see on initiative five I guess rather hear you hear another mine cart rocketing down and I'm Jay Berlin Joplin and we have to kill them this is confusing no it's easy on Job Lynn Ebbs hearing echoes of his data could it baseball t ball and then I switched to tennis Lynn lays out these little bridge per per papa I know what you can own from another tunnel and you guys see eight deep gnomes these gnomes with gray skin and yellow is a writing Loyd they're rolling legged dog shits there are eight of them one of them hits Moonshine I'm GONNA go ahead and try and S- might on the dad s tweets Japan is it okay if I hit your dad all right doesn't like you're my did did he doesn't have an opinion again that's twenty two damage yikes she looks quite messed up super hits I'll do I might this time here come some day Sir not good enough for second level then or no yeah you totally pieces shit can I take a pug held back Tech Papa freaking out about appier cart and you see many many giant spiders skittering across the wall if you guys are not able to but I have a date and a friend why would you be friends with a little bit like my son we met him for five damage go ahead and constitution saving throw one a net Chaplin's Stern Javelin you've got these three ghostly family members you do have the spiderweb down the line here at eight gnomes that are shooting at you guys with poison are the GNOMES also family we're family is about choice we're just best friends we have a bad office then bid for Spiel split-second there but you know I decided I wanted to be up next to you in a mine cart they are going to pull out a little blow darts and shoot at you guy on the brother I used to be friends with Lynn now no friends with them anymore this year is jubilant Jeevan sister I'm you guys see at the start of the next round in the distance you can see a spiderweb that looks thick enough that it might car also heading towards the towards the spiderweb yeah we're down the okay I'll try to kill my mom and I will tech recklessly twenty four super hits hits my mom spy sweeper I'll come here he vomits all over your shoulder me home I also hate a wreck needs I'm so honored you gotta correct that is so we're just doing like a Walmart photo studio of despair right with that's going to be a twenty two hit I break off the bottom half of my axe I get hit you on then wheel damage to my mom quite head good Jeff Lynne have you ever had a sticky oh I didn't like that one bit be nice to your kid and got two ghostly kids nice enough to them she's nice to my brother and my sister hit my mom that hits seventeen damage to my mom finish your mom javelin take my second attack Oh yes my mom did I didn't think I could be more disappointed in years laws were not not twenty it starts hurts saved but I also failed that is back around to initiative twenty mm-hmm I was Fed Rox twenty nine being blood terrible wounds there Eileen and I say are you alive he's his stick it through my mom's mouth and I a bitter at t-ball than anyone ah I point to the spiders and say those are bugs yeah that's bird those those are Arachnids we love killing people we have nothing more than finding somebody or wanders into the hair Straw this spider web by initiative one all of these spiders are going to catch up to you and there are a lot of them you saw is wrinkly fuck out Ludi don here we pretend we're friends and they were we start cutting them up I gotta respect to found family really do who likes Jalen still taking you on the loading besides yeah okay disbursed I think you should be this Biz issue the seen him when he was a little kid he was a little faint he'd come home he'd say dad I went too fast sister's turn and she goes I quite like you actually I don't know why I'm here right awesome yeah just really goes now in hidden listen it was good yeah I need I need to stack kind of a slow go that's what I'm going to call and I swing at her head while it's bound to the bottom of the ax her ghostly form disperses that is back still feel a lot of negative energy myself now I'm a ghost they're going to go ahead and try to you're brother's going to try to possess you Gillian around to the ghosts that is your brother and sister now quite mad at you if my mom and dad and the negative the negative energy Louis would say that I'm enough that I'm there little miracle baby boy yeah brother twenty not net yes you say hell yeah fire starts catching fire and burning away I the spider screaming as they run away art but it still looks like it might be enough to get you guys that is bev stern okay there's still some web left okay sweet I already damage twenty eight twenty eight you see that a great deal of this web is broken handy that's an Bev if the Ethel's might as a bonus action you can do another might on top of it and do all of that with creek damage Oh that's so many debates hold on one second my friends it should catch on fire does I'm GonNa say you don't even need a waste Moon Moonbeam if moon shines thing makes it catch on this messed up I'm going to go ahead and you know what I'm GonNa do a wrathful because I'm it's just a bit of a little Nakada touch on the chronic really pick it on them a little bit for where just for where our mind car is going through the known so all those spiders get go to the side that the gnomes she does nineteen damage deal that's an acrostic so it's not have that is monster okay I want a lightning bolt this web just uh-huh you know sounds of the creek a beautiful sing song voice yeah actually there's a lot of guys can talk quietly maybe catch up with your neighbor introduce yourselves obviously the web can't Rolodex chat called Web also your sister is GonNa do withering touch that is a twenty one ahead this is that like a wet willy or something that is a different action awesome so we're clear is burning away okay I'll keep like wiggling my way through Zehr I don't I'm an only child off your pants stopped a hugh because they couldn't stand ya just thought they'd have the one because you kind of a handful emotion I do a first level defines might so that's going to be three sweet yeah and double all year dice okay thirty nine points of damage adjuvants family then please hearing legitimate breakthroughs your school yes you are you have any brothers assist I will I'm going to cast moonbeam on the web sweet yeah nine wins I would say jubilant brothers on death's door but he's already dead he is quickly dissipated being off barely a ghost in Jilin you mind if I take another swipe Adam I would love it yes please did you not have any dreams for yourself other than just being a murder because your parents wanted you to have dreams I slipped in a Bush yeah we all thought it was pretty funny we just Kinda stayed up all night making sure that Jaylen didn't sleep we just poke them with states was always and we saw that he was smiling while he's dreaming we knew he was having a good dream so we'd we'll go play T. ball with the devil you ass that is the gnomes turn they are going to go ahead and shoot more employs and blow darts is because they're huge pieces of Shit I go at beverly first one is a school that is spur main things and it was his so he was a waking nightmare to this right now being attacked knows and spiders in my ghost family is the busy of the mortgage days to come buddy as a nineteen to hit that hits I'm going to damage that's nine more damage sixteen damaged beverly go ahead and give me a constitution saving throw I would love to next to go at Jilin they both miss the kills one he hits a second one for another ten damage and then hits it again they always end Balfour takes nineteen damage rolls a con save two concepts actually passes them both the darts fly go at moonshine both miss next to go at Balfour that's another credits and the hits there's a sixteen on time pass it does around to the terrain you guys see up ahead you guys all pass through these spiderweb you see it is burned away enough that the gnomes he's knows his critics on the one natural nineteen Jesus balance off into the abyss on a destroyed track however the gnomes cart is about to veer off and still be on track on a different track. You'll need to get that one or else you'll plummet that is jubilant stern yes terrain our greatest foe lynn right into the bone of my ass look burn this made his quite a thin s hard makes it through your guy's car makes it through the spiders quickly cannot catch up to you but you guys see your Kart track is about to end on initiative one it plummets take your weekend sitting looks very painful for him I can't do a single sit up I'm mostly it's going to be a nineteen good for you guys you spin it right out no no I was saving up I'm going to do to turns right now my family please founders gonna go ahead and start throwing javelins check to jump into the car which we'd see I get a motherfucker the balance or throws a javelin hits one directly between the is is at fault flies off the mine card and brutally dies abound manage twenty credits Berg thank you for lending us will jump into the L. Jump into the cat go ahead and make an athletics check your an array to do with it for another five damage bow nor kills two of these gnomes Dan six gnomes go at that is back around aw attached to vines can I stand up and surf the rail water skier Yes yes you can go ahead and there's this this is an upgrade those are even more poisonous you guys are better than my mom and dad like us bringing in for a family hug you're really you can swim right your parents taught you out of swim they love you moonshine you take nineteen damage as you fall onto the track and you begin falling behind some need to help you or gnomes are really sure right yes okay I would like to bonus action go into a rage so I can get bonus on my athletics is very silly looking and everyone's underwater they're trying to threaten you but their voices are all Burghley let's hear that between me and Moonshine I'm going to jump over into the gnome cart and then create these vines so that I can pull moonshine behind me she's basically bodysurfing hughes rope three nature cooler used that okay cool rope yeah I use nature's rope spectral vines appear I'll say what the Matt Twenty Javelin you jump over jump kicking one of the gnomes off of the car only get eleven you guys see Moonshot you know I still have I still haven't action if I follow that's fine I would like to create thirty or ten gallons of water in the mine car to try to drown out the drown the gnomes nick how much damage has driven take that is Jilin sisters the underwater cool DAB party is just a deep a hug the rather I don't WanNa drown so you guys see on initiative twenty metal hug one of them hits both guys nine damage to you javelin and eight damage to you have both you guys give me constitution saving throws it's been that is the gnomes turn they are going to attempt to stab beverly and Jim when she is going to go ahead and try to possess moonshine why not move jangling charisma saving throw come here people being afraid of us what's this seems quite pleasant comparatively psychic damage to the I can do it in the air I don't need to make it to the amazing Moonshine Hugh Create Water in pretty sure to see Evelyn Apple scrubber replica mud on you and you're able to grind the rails and follow along one you do see a way to avoid the falling though there is an extremely thick spiderweb on the top half of the cavern you basically taste quite bad then stop going into my friends my oh I'm sorry I miscalculated seventeen seventy that's fine you can still pass moonshine that is your turn okay get left behind can I try and use nature's wrath to make some vines to like basically you know what actually I've got rope Adage Athletics Yeah Twenty Two twenty two you're able to get over this you immediately begin sinking in this mine cart that is Jaylen stern you still have the ghost of your sister and a bunch of gnomes and then he got bad stuff coming out athletics check also you can do it with advantage pop shoot have helped moonshine on her turn but instead will offer an help action to advantage already that what I got was contract ends and you are going too fast to stop you see the tunnel opens up into a huge cavern you guys are going to drop off on initiative you know that you're attempting to you're hugging these homes and you're all under water right now and he comes rage buddy hey rates twin aw she goes you know what maybe I'll just fuck off they have to decide by the end of the round to use your movement either to jump up and grab into the spiderweb or to just fall and see what happens or maybe a feather fall or something a nineteen house Yep don't forget that for twenty seven you guys both pass ah watery hugged moonshine you luckily have your beverly throws a rope to you you luckily have your fully kill one you're now in this cart with five nightmare gnomes who are lucky you found and they all pull out what's that you see that there is one gigantic spider lying in wait I'm going to be able to get us out of this javelin can I get it on this hug we're free saying she thought she flies off your sister leaves I'm GonNa jump up into the Iraq needed web sweets at the end of the round that will happen are there a bunch of other a bunch of spiders in the web where Jay about to jump I'll go ahead and you be perception check twenty she did pass her check so she get half of that that was for saving through this this eighteen that is bowel nordstern bowel nor is going to make athletic check to jump over twenty one for Balladur Balladur jumps in that I mean the you see that the mine cart tracks are beginning to converge into one you see a bunch of tunnels are coming together ahead but up ahead the on arguably lucky that's a thirteen inside thirteen these gnomes don't look like they care whether they live or die oops sorry guys y'all come out I love to see her at the cubes not that well just twenty mom dad jove George Carlin remember which one I am one of them all able and you don't and go over the chasm and at the last moment cast feather fall on myself and wave goodbye as the GNOMES bow nor ends another gnome that is ended the round bow nor Jilin right right right in I would say see you ran but I'm a ghost now live in a cave now again in my life will be bev is we faulk hey what are you going to do probably try to kill you and then fly around the caves all right John sure did drown any of the gnomes though rounds are like six seconds they're just underwater but moonshine jump up into the web and get caught there you guys are restrained but you're safe there for the moment as long as they take you to hell with them we're all going to how I want to hug all the gnomes yeah you know what suicide really like hey you know what fifteen damage total worth that is balanced turn nat twenty from bound against spasms deja Vu that is certain militias turn you are grinding on rails right now doing sick tricks papa is clapping I'm what would you like to do at the end of your turn I'll jump up the JV's jump and I'm John Alright sweet okay I want to do an insight does it look like the twenty this giant spider begins climbing down towards you go after Jilin jubilant you are restrained to do this this garden can be persuaded check oh I do I make all my checks with advantage in now As they fall several hundred feet to the ground legs shatter as soon as they hit the ground booth bang their heads Super Hard Hell Yeah you ballin close there were already hugging hugging javelin that is like it if I never see you again maybe I don't need to kill you it's all right it's just both fuck off yeah this is both fuck off fe funky right fuck high uh I got that one wow this is really add up those cues you see this giant spider queen turns into a Bregman Dolphin are going to try and swim up and jump up onto the spiderweb to Chicago hitting Minnesota check cool I'm going to reveal that natural tailbone then that is balanced turn I think I might have skipped boundaries I turn is back this way wisdom all right I'm GonNa roll in front of the table who this this spider needs to raleigh seventeen or higher pregnant dolphin like slowly float to the side of this Jasim scramble at sweet yet bev successfully land on the Ground Hey Jeff Lynne would you like a new pit sure no one would be nice if I was spiders spun compared to my parents we've got to work on your standard that is a twenty three to hit on the first attack wreck needs the it's it's quite scary it's a cavern and yet you can start climbing back up to help these guys with the fight you guys do see back at the top of the initiative on is the GNOME stern we're going to try to stab you in the go ahead two of them hit that's so low oh can I specify I don't want to pull him it I wanted to just get stuck in the Web Oh this is in the web giving birth that's twelve to save twelve fails jubilant you take thirty five points hits twice for eighteen damage of regular piercing damage and then go ahead and give me a constitutes this is in the spider this big terrifying spider for some reason I have in my head the javelin would be afraid of big spiders I aim but not quite scary is my day on did of course you have to take them both right then you guys see on initiative eight just before you know year is a lot that is moonshine stern I'm appalling morph it the one low role one low role one low row one love row Bev's turn you see two more giant spiders skittered down from the cavern above and Bev and go ahead and give me perception checks eight twenty six a half a wisdom saving throw it has a plus zero again making their way down the web both towards Jillian who is stuck there you see the one hovers over Jilin Amanda Bowles about to bite down and the other one is skittering to the other side of driven as these two spiders approach ah yes that is halved nice and then this will be poisoned damage so go ahead and give me a constitution saving through cheerful and you're not related to the spider to you aw he's the mom or the child disgusting the web what's going on you jump off cast rather fall on yourself and just let these gnomes both cow they all go can spider that arrived seconds you see that Mama is writing it ah Moonshine it is hard to see what's going on because you are also stuck in this web but you do see the she's come back to take me Goto this one's good this is my mother wild shape rather into a spider she anymore one of our own right no that child that was a giant spider that was trying to kill you meemaw me Ma in giant spider form yes into the neck of the other spider right before it gets too Jimmy so you guys see yeah we gotta spray him down so I just I just shape create it does this terrifying Benham falling from its mandible it has it has a sweet demeanor it is currently eating the other spider biting into her turns horrifying mandible at Jv we it can do whatever he wants to get that fucking possible way from it I'm sorry that I killed you before I didn't realize you were an ally of you did jump down on us and try to hey it's me John just clarify I didn't five beautiful that's an that's enough that's enough for everyone to have a dolphin today I've had quite a day I had a breakthrough with my mom and dad as I broke through their skulls you could probably do godolphin sound wearing such loose fitting clothing you know I think it's how he would've wanted to go I do you see just ignore them down from the web you guys are able to ride her back she gets you guys all the way down to the bottom of the cavern and you see the rest out of her polymorphic she goes Moon Shanna heard a commotion up ahead so I flew ahead and I saw you saw that you were in trouble so I thought it would help what are you doing out here uh-huh so y'all know more about dolphins than me Jackson can I like a reverse water breathing on them like at air-breathing connects twist at my spell and make it so that they can breathe in the air I mean absolutely the accident killed me I was an ally was an enemy I was a bad guy so I was about three hours ago yeah it's possibly no more dolphins than us who had no fucking clue that there would be dolphins involved in this fight or fight of the creek elves this giant traveling party of Creeks Travel down another tunnel guys in the cavern you see meemaw comes come on jump off and just stick my face in the rails go ahead and make a charisma saving through I wish don't ask me so you guys you guys see meema finishes off this other spider that was attacking you guys helps you guys get the people in the crowd is yelling out Dolphin facts and none of it matters I would also venture to say you're not experts take can we roll to see if the dolphin goes into labor the Dolphin is in labor upon his face that was fun little experiment it was nine days getting here I think this gentleman looks strong hot Hanson fine does have like one has just the one where you know what this is a fucking magical world by world US gives you a big bag of holding dump it you just heard on help our friend he's offense can have litters beverly please Rela d six to see how many dolphins come out you're on your side killed you right did mommy mom Jamie either you see me mock uh-huh why don't you go ahead and roll how many how many babies a dolphin up to two litters yes pity will nothing could be loose on quads like that I was I was able to gentle repose carnation ritual she sits cross legged places a bowl of creek water next to her she holds her hand over it his body but his face has gone to shit ten days there you see me Ma begins the ring I pulled my Areola and I knew my baby dolphin javelins you begin breastfeeding a dolphin form of hard-won shore but hey guys why are you naked you is now is that what you're a look as as you tweet I'm in a strange inbetween world which you recognize as being kind of this area of the material plane that Laura that you are brought into moss trance you see that the colors of the world around you begin to bleed together until you find yourself instead I do an interpretive dance space you just begin freaking out is able to walk and you do see the strange fey creature the goddess MMA Laura appears to you standing next to the ghostly I'm beverly puts on the blindfold of Palomar which is something he lies about which is not an actual thing he just doesn't WanNa look at moon shines Ted's are all up high it's a half link disorder Javelin would you like to do anything sure the wide aerial but I don't know why they're so big and swollen I just don't get it yeah I got no aspirin big naps got big Oh you do an extremely herky-jerky sweaty team dance as you freak the fuck out I think he has on his neck that's your dad I didn't say anything because I'm new but it's mostly nipple yeah popping out from under the breast place leads but I pray every night to reduce manip- he's fine the way they are you tweak your nipples you see a spa papa sits next does the same in a spectral papa appears and begins doing the same thing new beautiful seabed look at it been abused shamed of just see a mirror you're you're welcome in the show go pillar you see goes now usually I would be happy to help one of my followers or naval I've tried not to show them they're kind of big they're Otley big for my body I was GonNa say kid we were going to take you to a doctor pop the big tweak the nip a lower close uh-huh and begins to why am I saying it's part of my religion that's just what is you gotTa wear the blindfold you have to see into the astral you have nipples blindfolds no fell off situation but in this case you just handed someone an axe and told them to kill you and -tunities if I had done anything wrong in retrospect it was not smart below all right though you could kind of see like a glimmer of honor there is courage stupidity she nods deeply this isn't cannon that's absolutely fine don't think too many are going to be sympathetic to your car so you'll have to stick with whatever you get hey all right well I can try to find a spirit that would be willing to loan you their body but I then I am going to check the potential races that he could come back as read them off to you guys and the audience will decide we would like to call up who is really the reason we're all year in credits Bergh Our good friend Chris is credits Berg here's how this is going to work hard one is going to get to roll the reincarnate table three times and that is a fifty six that is a half Elf I all right everybody let's go ahead let's go in reverse order because I came to have away I want this to go but I'll let you just give it up you're not allowed to say silence somewhat set silence and that made ever he comes back at actually you know what instead of hard one rolling the d one hundred we have someone as an insure than beverage the year all right Melissa has found a willing donor that is willing to help hard ones fate is in your hands I can go ahead and roll that here and I will pull up the table and see what finally please clap if you would like hard-won shore the bastard of the mountain six foot six of muscle NBA laugh that's not much of a cheer to hear clapping uh please clap if Zeh twenty two that is a dark Elf ooh sexy book Pennsylvania the MS Jackson Pebble plot a hard one to come back as a dark l. all right I would say I would say you seem like a good guy I'm a little roly poly and I'm a little bit shorter than beverly I feel like you'll make great use of this options are fucking good that is a sixty one that is a half Ling very nice but Chris guys decide up first off give it up Chris AIDS thank you so much has to come to Pittsburgh and it was so funny and great that we knew we had to come and that's really what kicked off this whole torso thank you Chris h hard won is 'cause let's find out who that is if you would like hard one to come back as a half Elf in the door to door orphanage the dad to come back shut the back wall wall the rest of the troops and and various cats each research yeah Chris come on up Chris h made a powerpoint presentation day. Danny P Bahamas resident artist painted hardouin senior portrait at the orphanage Danny will have to amend the portrait to properly reflect hard ones current law except Jay Loma seventy two AK steel breaker hard ones. Jim's brain when headless hard one was super tense and vascular he was channeling Applause O meter is is that about ten that was those are Jeb Bush amount of applause please clap steal breaker dillon be a sword wielding wizard surrounded by a floating army of blades at all times dylan be has beheaded fourteen more people than Jane Lebron's beard this week and it's only thirst Laura Javelin would say the Bug Kings Sparta's Jillions Dad's best friend who was only emotionally cruel to JV Sparta's was the best role model. Giovanni you hear hard when you hear a voice in your head go well hey longest beard and all of your beard man. Dan's beard is so long that the boobs could have ridden it to me monster of taking the mind card Hermes w the bad kings war scrutiny. Sas Dorm born and fought alongside allies read halldor was a serious party dude and spent the whole time drunk you straight up doesn't remember the Giant Wars Daniel You Aka multiple or the many faced magician multiflora actually bought VIP tickets to our Pittsburgh show for each of their many faces thanks for the support multiple Jordan Dj I want to be original Patriarchs of the family I was responsible for stating but you know what like body right could just choose I reached out my hand and I shake Elena see the most Professional Creek L. in history keeps all they're brown leaves in a Roth. 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Dan's Beer Devon be the Bodega Lord gives players and extras ace earl and Kathleen l two married iron dwarfs who found love despite being cold emotionless robots Dr g the coolest kid in the green tea take that we're letting our session thank you trout tavern who studied under rusty jacobs been fiddling and rusty's honor ever since the boobs left Elena m the greatest detective in Crag Water Ninety nine eight lamp for twelve hours every night Michael L. drivelines cousin who hasn't actually seen javelin since last family reunion over ten years ago but still absolutely hates his guts head mixologist at the blue monarch in created a milk themed cocktail for the Chosen Invaders called a White Frost Wharf Andrew m a known a GNOME WHO Spent Years Council of elders yeah so good starting with Brad d the only pepperpot that is in craven if Brad D. had offered his body hard-won would have been honored to take it Sam Gilanis's dealer has been really getting into microdosing which is when you take drugs that make you shrink into the size of a mouse it's thank you it's the end of the show everybody in that means we need a shout out our benevolent Lord Jeff and cord like to go one for one on firebaugh shots and get wild gutter w a high of Danny turned creek architect cutter has gone right to work setting up stumps and glade home after the in Ryan Hartman's Ram Brian Solis curse when he was eaten by Vampire Hard One and now Ryan serves as ill says faithful steed waiting for the day he can return the favor in his former master retire they look around Bohemia Lou card a reverse DRACULA UNLIKE NORMAL VAMPIRES ALU card can enter your house whenever they want and we'll only leave gene jive and makes it look like be early Josh rich a jock ostrich the coolest ostrich in the green teens also the only from World War Two just in either the Fastest Creek elven history that might be because they're constantly setting fires and trying to get away Jacob see a bar down at the hungry big buck pregnant elp moon shines elkin baby while most infant elks take time getting used to their legs big buck was born able to do a perfect line dance shake this pebble pots palm and then I toss him over my shoulder and I say John Bevere I gotta be honest I always wanted to go out to capitol I'm going to have to step at the quick collapse Kalou okay performing surgery Adam h the punk monk moves swiftly through the battlefield as if they were thrashing in a mosh pit anyone who approaches Adam takes an automatic L. trip trailer Fay who loves Timothy Shallow may what can we say trailing knows talent when she sees it Aaron g mastered the banishment spell Aaron Works for Active Power Josh s the Cyborg version of Josh the Kabul has liquid metal skin not one thousand from terminator but for some reason it soon last minute go give Sam Visit Dom Ara College of Journalism Bar Dom spells grow stronger depending on how many credible sources can vouch for the validity of their juilliard getting their T. he to perfect Pitch Victor T. boundaries boy who's loving dad was ripped from his family and transported to another world despite fan theories victor is not from World War One bridge in the green team. 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