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Round Table

The Sustainable Futures Report

41:26 min | 1 year ago

Round Table

"His the he sustainable futures report for Friday the second of August and I'm answering day a few weeks back back. When Theresa May was still Prime Minister I had a roundtable discussion with three patrons of these sustainable futures report? This turns out to be one of the longest episodes serves to date but I hope you find it interesting. We'll probably hold another discussion in September and if you'd like to take part please contact me via Patriae on dot com slash on its and dot com slash S._f.. Arm We started off with introductions so so I told you so. I'm Tom. I live in New York and I. I'm a web developer. Uh so I make websites for a living but I also work in my spare time with your community energy. Currently we are focusing less on generating energy and more and saving energy transit until it people's homes basically okay and you're interested in the whole climate changes shoes choose walt I would like the planet's not fall apart and not have food shortages pitches and terrible droughts and flooding and things like that really turn up. I think we probably agree with African. We ask you to introduce. I'm Katherine. My company is rethink liable so there are a couple of helping small businesses mainly small businesses and community groups understand the circular economy and workout how it can help strengthen that businesses us make it more profitable resilient and sustainable and Amanda find a Scott. I'm Scott User you throw <unk> novelist. Although we do have some nineteen is taken vaccine two years ago to the master's in Sustainable Economic Shema <unk> world shortly after that I read the adaptation paper which further complete kate rearmament us work so I am acting article extinction billion group. I am very hard to get regenerates his army to take off in my area construction which is a rural area because I genuinely believe regenerated on can be part of the solution and I collected active in politics on the exchange. We're not going to change in time any time scales. We were talking about tipping points earlier. I don't Oh sing. It generally has any crew of the time scales. I think there's still a sense. This is something that will happen in our child killings eligible okay well. It's a question already reaching the tipping pinpoints. Have we actually got to the point where public opinion is on a roll. We'll let change things. Let change behind you start that Catherine shove fails to me as if we are reaching a tipping point. I'm certainly not saying a lot more a conversation on the news on TV in newspapers and so on not just out the problem but about some of the responses Johnson solutions that come out with so I think it's starting to swing round to more not not a vision yet with that would be good but more of you know how we how we could leave. Most sustainable lives on particularly the reports that came out a week so ago about about the importance of planting trees on the new calculations on just how much difference that could make a started S- approximate people feel that it doesn't require technical technological wizardry doesn't require a miracle. There are simple things that we could get behind the would starts the head is in the right direction and the other thing that's encouraging is the number of businesses and pension funds and so on really stock. He's taunting to talk about what they need to do. Differently and actually businesses canvassing the government and asking full policy changes the support the right behavior like taxing common taxing the use of energy resources instead of labor not kind of thing. What was your feeling? Are you noticing a change to sink to a tipping point. You think we're finally seeing a difference I in some ways yes certainly in my teaching. I'm finding the students are coming with much bigger questions. About how do we fix <music> this rather than hardaway find the best Joe I teach reading so it will tend to come his personal questions. Becoming were next existential questions. We have a little extension rebellion group last week and we have seventy people reverse meeting which souls <unk> was good rush but that said I until people in the supermarket Q. or other people in the village can people who are activists and and they still look at me as if until Gibberish <unk> chasing that sought through at least Aso's at least they are aware climate change is a thing but in terms of changing their remainder not yet but I think I think what's happened is coming terrorists. Era is beginning to take notice and it's becoming something that's more remarks on new figures other than just the Guardian and all television division. It's it's not just long voice in the Wilderness and then also busy eating they have to get somebody from the denial listening to every single statement will change so we're heading the right direction <unk> estim- is entirely on the question whether they incredibly slim base of change that happens happens in our political structures will move fast enough to make a difference is a similar question but I am extremely relatives putting a little the pressure on and if we can continue the pressure that we can change we need in the time scale okay. I think we generally accept except the government of course has the power and that government and business has the power to do things while the consumer and citizen May believe things. Should it's only the institutions which can actually make it happen. Now you <unk> Russian Business <unk>. Maybe we all three white with such comments along. All you seeing a change in attitude with the business yeah definitely big businesses are starting to realize that it's not just about you know some green messages and on things that will hopefully persuade people that I'm doing the right thing but thank businesses starting to realize that their own futures are at risk and I can't put out a really good show video this week on I think soon he said it's on linked ten white barry actually shed on. They talked about reshaping that business so that they thanked can meet the needs of future customers. That's lessons analyze allies the results securities in his big issue if we'll want more stuff and population keeps growing than goes find different ways to create that stuff if he liked the the resources in the first place and so having things that lasts longer can help that recycling recycling things can help that but it's an expensive way to do it and starting to change people's mindsets away from owning stuff to using its in having access to it can not only help spread resources across more people but can be brilliant business model full will businesses. I think even actually starting to realize this planned obsolescence approach is run could that's dancing to invest smell in subscription services software and they've also <unk> to a circular future that with no dates but it's entirely feasible that apple could develop a fascinating type famous upgradable on this repayment more easily repairable on something using the people engaged with just a great thing you know new things become available faster processor Bassett Cameron's whatever you can just swap outs then and then athlon risking somebody thinking well actually the Samson long does exactly Simon is half the price. I wanted the swap the key you'll customers engaged and I think companies are really starting to see the value of the engagement which means you can talk directly directly to the customer instead of trying to attract new customers through Google Lonzo. Whatever is not very manageable not re precise extremely expensive? Okay you mentioned the adaptation of that. I'm I'm about a tenth of the way through it. I haven't really thirty six yes well. I think clearly <hes> the GEM Bendel appears to be fatalist coma catastrophes who says his old guys got it wrong so easily do much more optimistic reading breeding on. I've heard so okay but he talks. Was We need or zero okay. He talks particularly about social breakdown and I think Tom on on cosmic both talking about whether in fact consumers can recognize that things have to be done on except the things changes which go announced be made in the short term so what's his take take the thinks ability to the deep adaptation paper so might obey the comedian gatherings in Devon on the early stage adaptation. Oh extinction. They're bugging grew up on. I think that would be my take on. Is We need to follow this line of. Nobody invited direct action because it's the only thing that makes government because otherwise. I think I think we risk putting the emphasis on what what we can do is individual consumers restored using US expose a recycler better. Are we still taking flex when actually what needs to happen. These last days industry needs to cease to exist and planes to fly and if we take I always Khalid Al Gore your view which is into us as individuals than were suck which as them to say as individuals we count might a huge amount of change probably wait for me. Most of the change we can see is in our immediate social groupings in our connected local areas in really obese albeit big direct-action that makes the government itself potatoes indexation believe in his words. Are We got a government that I am not know what this is essentially toss. It doesn't mean they will do it. It doesn't mean listen to but at least they're thing he yes yes okay. Can you envisage a world where people accepted. They no longer fly. I don't know we'll get into Bristol. We're not flying Bristol and it's a very tricky question on. It's something I've been thinking about and be thinking about you. Know WH- how people feel about not having calls and things like that you know the the easy. Answer is the choice nice to have the end of the day. It's all death essentially so I think it's one of of those things where you know as people come to realize the urgency of the situation than they might start to reevaluate it. It's it's just another thing. I don't have the answer to his. Will they realize in time okay catharine. Can you envisage the plastics sticks industry closing down. Oh do you think that the sector economy will actually as stop that from meeting to happen yeah kind of combined plus slicks in a site in just chip in on the Times because I am I don't to lane vis a who you might have huddle hosted the only a couple of weeks ago about should we will stop flying and his view was as it was only two cents of carbon emissions. It was a futile gesture so <hes> engendered quantum bits debates an I chipped in with my view it those of us working in sustainability should be the ones saying. We're not GONNA fly because if we're not prepared to do it. How do we convince other people tweeden think about it and as you can imagine so I wasn't saying everybody should fly asked you saying you know this is my view. I haven't flown on holiday for ten years is now stopped flying full business them so last last week Holland to use long of turned turn down speaking patients to came down in Australia in the last couple of weeks because I couldn't see the points of a flying set out deer webconference but I think lots of people are still you know that's the point of having something taken away from you so those those lots of <hes> quite quite strongly usual kind of tweets struggling dinner debates with people saying you know you can't stop people going on holiday on that kind of stuff but my views the more of us who choose not to fly the more pressure that puts on the airline industry to find clean fuel if there is clean fuel if we all carry on and say it's up to them to do it but we're not signaling that without panned vote than why will they hurry up. Give it the more in the Modi fail veiled threats of losing their business the quicker they'll do something amounts at an subs of plastics. I've written a few blog posts on nice and <hes> plastics are fantastic invention marion everything around us with probably all surrounded by plastics. I'm looking at furniture in some some of those webcam shops polyester fabrics and the old packaging that helps keep things fresh so if we banned plastic that would be a retrograde step but I don't see why any company should be allowed to plastic into the market that isn't recycled Michael recyclable. I think there are enough options the <unk> everything should be able to be recycled. We don't really need laminates crisp packets. They could just be a single film and if you are going to put something complicated in unique pay for the cost of that being recycled and in the U._k.. Hey the packaging waste. Levy only covers temps into the cost of local councils during the recycling so we're not giving anybody a fighting chance of putting and good recycling systems in place but a day thing I think we need to rethink it and we need put the the costs whereas the wet weather causes of the Qassam people shouldn't just make society pay for something. That's an advantage used to that business but a a penalty for every ounce while I don't know if you saw the B._b._C.'s will plastic crowns recently but Michael Guy who's currently the Environment Armand Secretary was very point about why is produced by only ten percent of the cost of recycling and he said his plan was to make it one hundred percent that whether he'll be in office long enough to do that is another question but some found twenty four is nervous planning to do it <unk>. Ortiz <unk> smiling when you're talking about flying. I've just been watching the prime ministerial. L. Debate makes you sound far more important than his Jeremy. Hunt said yes without question. He would support a third runway at Heathrow so we've got a a long way to go. I think to persuade politicians mounted you fly. I haven't flown since making ninety six <unk> exactly for this reason until this year when I did a huge. This is going to be table. Shi'ite Shirai appeared to be teaching in America Anizah. That's no way because I don't fly and two days after I I let taking events I was invited. Education market with raped regret Harrell never do again on has the experience was quite enough to put me quick thinking was justified and I slice the egg destroyed. I still don't fully understand why it was necessary. I don't but I have family members of the things that worries initial about recycling plus I have members of the Senate family who are fanatical about recycling industy down to the toothpicks but still flying holidays three times a year on the it's giving people something thinks that they can funnel their hair into but still having Lakers about wrestling needs somehow have a coherent narrative explains why that doesn't work and I have to be a six this actually recycled buckled still or do they get shut down to China with the what's actually happening to the recycling end whether it's actually worse when embodied energy the the carbon required to do it is is useful because otherwise we need to we need to be is not beyond the which is to produce things <music> function adult ten years. I think the key to it is charging the rights amount of the recycling because that would then slade producers to use less plastic simple plastic in Nike packaging rest of it to avoid the penalty and then but recently is much more effective than continuing to make plastics petrochemicals and A. and bio materials and the answer is that because you know as you probably know we have enough question on lenders without trying to grow materials to make. Think by a based plastics men so there's lots of issues but I think it's just this this thing of not allowing companies to analyse realized costs in that goes through food as well as full common not kind of thing you know we're we're allowing companies to get away with selling his rubbish. That makes us <hes> L. Council estimate and society has to pick up the cost of broken elements to the Lillian right is interesting what you're saying about <hes> bioplastics because I went to electoral this week I was falsely but <hes> they were making bioplastics. All food waste in other words out of sugar cane most left off to the the sugars being taken out of coffee grounds and the things like that one interesting point was the plastics they were making one necessarily receptacle while some but not all animals they make the point that if you put by degradable plastics in the way stream at other plastics you can contaminate emanate and you can find out repressing while the recycling prices of those plastic so we we need to sold you too loud and I think as you were saying we need to to control the use of plastics being put onto the market is the second call me at the design stage. He's you've got to think of. What's GonNa Happen to the product when it's actually finished with otherwise you end up with a massive rubbish which is also sorry college started? I think also just generally move away from kind of takeaway single use culture in general lightly went. I am to a Temple Needham this weekend and you know with our lunch we they threw in a load of wooden knives on Fox and it's like well you you know it's still waste. It's still going to be used once and then thrown away was generating all this waste whether it's plastic or not it's it's the whole attitude the needs to shift really yeah yes as well as our a reusable cups. We should be taking out reasonable. Folks shouldn't make when we come out. Perhaps possibly those got instantly a few weeks gang in I'm billion items of packaging waste the generates violent show ago habit in Yes yes well how we get the message forward the trauma you involved in any way in extinction about do you approve of it. You support it. I'm not actively involved in it. I did go to their citizens assembly in York couple of weeks ago which was excellent. Actually I thought they did an amazing job and eh if they were able to conduct the democratic exercise which was reasonably represents. I think they said there was like three hundred people and you know they and managed <unk> had cats effectively. There were lots of people with strong opinions all trying to speak and they money's not really well. I thought the whole thing's amazing and news lightning speed competitive. You know governmental local governments I yes I I approve of what they're doing. I think like like we said before they are getting the message through in a way that other people have failed L. Today and if ruffle a few feathers then so be it at the end of the day some feathers need ruffling because we've tried being polite for decades and it hasn't worked so and the fact that they explicitly commit to being nonviolent is absolutely crucial because you know I some people might say oh well you know what when are they going to turn around and become violence and it's it's written in from the start. That is not what this is about. I think that's incredibly important. It's all the protests in London was so good natured and looked like they were just having a big party and it was really good fun positively there and the guessing message across and so yeah that's giving me more hope than anything in a in a long time good well you may know that they're planning to paralyze leads and several other cities next week so everybody retains their equanimity chronicity and good spirits so that the actually there had three months to one was to <hes> get the government to do something about it and the government has actually said that his aim to reduce the the target for twenty fifty from eighty percents two hundred percents they also about a citizens this assembly and the government has said this going to be a citizens assembly. <hes> the other thing they want is to <hes> decarbonised by twenty twenty five. That's a challenge but maybe he'll continue to push that about that as a challenge which is the same as in zero. The name will put much your rice. Yes calculations of met zero have got to be scrutinized is very carefully because you know Yukon right coalitions which say that drax power station is clean. Thank you think love a people would really believe also. I think it made me one of Your Business. CanNot this my understanding. Is that military outwards of C._O.. Two an use of embodied energy is not in anybody's undulations in any country of the borough and its nose then we can do all Louis light is the civilians and only have to do this and the jets on training missions on loan. Everybody's helping budgets year ksfo quickest mattress secret curly is an that doesn't stop it being incredibly damaging really important that we yeah that's something else against it so I came across a couple of websites which I shall mention the podcast this week once cool of climate optimism and the other one is called something very similar to that and I think we do need a bit of optimism it's always about it's a balance between scarring people's death and to the extent that I think well it copied out by won't out and I don't want to know and telling people well. You know we could do something it's under control and they think well. I don't have to bother under control. I think we tend to on the catastrophe side and so now if you cannot treat talk positively talk optimistically about the progress to climate mitigation then it's it's going to be easy to get the message across. I was just reading a post on leaks in from organized a A._M.. Conference of investment companies and pension funds and another thing and he was so cute about the kiss of gradualism and you know doing things gradually isn't GonNa get where we need to be in twelve years time. A nature is the whole conference round lesson trying to get people's thinking about what they will do that in their roles and they'd completed the accounted voice was much stronger than <hes> just the individual companies and songs <unk> agreed later and I think that can be quite powerful from that company plans view but I think about members points and <hes> people do feel hopeless and focused on the things that they can do this week and more ooh visible side of the plastic recycling concede down plus what you buying. You're not trying to thing but Mendelsohn's I ride the that's not so I think perhaps more awareness of what you to count and footprint looks like an we know slang driving <unk> an eating Mesa. The main cools breaking down a bit so that people can start to see the actually you know the in the U._k.. Say the average person types what it is one long-haul one short haul flight that might be the average so why not do long whole once every three years <hes> unusual really year and then deuce locations instead of making it an enough but that would start to get people thinking differently at once people start thinking taking psych Haitians just considering different choices than I think he becomes easiest <unk> next up once. You have a good holiday in the U._K.. Okay you might think well. Let's do this again next year. Let's not fly because actually we felt quite good about not having those whatever it was three Walton Wallin Alvin and the same thing with meeting are how little meat you ask them have to considerably reduce calvin footprints on what about eating grass fed inmates instead of you know where it's coming from instead of just buy from supermarket and it could come from Brazil and been raised on Trade Watson pools deforestation relation to this soy consumption unrest that than having local pasture means that kind of thing so giving giving people off a bit more information and an idea of what would be a better choice instead of just interesting <hes> you know where a Hasher Council many things thank you likes can be Already knew no we have to we have to get this if we don't change farming methods and you decide that everyone's announce that you'll be in eubanks series <unk> juice classroom destroyer by air faster than we are currently serving everything you're going to religious Jews don't use or climate change is not going to be the problem we faced in crushing by disease <unk> Yasser <unk> which is why beef particularly regenerative for me is my thing an Ireland Renault going by too much but is leading towards increasing diversity. We need foster to do this and if we the only growing carrots in great big Monaco choose then we could forget it. It's not answer. Let's read interest. I'd Electra explored more detail. We've got six minutes left but really it's say something under just the carnage lies. Are you saying it's not it's not so important to fixate on whether you're gonNA give up mates all be Vegan. It's more about not having processed food and having choosing things that AH locally grown regenerative Lee grown zone and then it wouldn't matter Ish United F._M.. <unk> of the population decided Vegan because you wouldn't be buying this kind of mass produce. How how many grains lanes is it that we is like six ounces net <unk> rise eight? Send him on diet so it's more important house. Nothing is likable and a wide variety of uh of pumps. Looms passed me whatever it is. It's okay okay well. I think we're coming close to a winding up point right now because it's always aware is very lots of interesting points being raised by the rest of you. Yes you any thoughts that we haven't covered anything. You'd like to add because we have left you in the corner of that because you wanNA scream if that it's it's such a huge topic isn't it. I mean the thing sort of the area that I'm trying to focus on energy edgy. You know as a huge tusks there if we if we don't deal with our energy production than is is not gonNA work basically we've we've just despair when I hear about these oil and gas companies. He's a continuing to explore for new resources and it's just I just I just find it incredible. You know a time when we just we just need to stop burning fossil fuels all altogether and start this this huge rapid transition to renewables. How can they still be talking about looking for new reserves never mind using up the ones that they already know about? Yes and there are plans to open a new coal mine in Cumbria won't against isn't whole cognitive dissonance so I don't I just think it's it's also much of this donations and so much of this is driven by money obviously again coming back to the flights and all that business on the you know the fact that the companies aren't really paying for the recycling. You know there's there's all these all these things you know if flights actually if the price of flights reflected the true cost. Let's let's actually any make people pay the tax on the fuel for a star and then you look at the other cost associated with it because we talk about half a free market and the free market will will resolve everything but then you know fossil fuels are being subsidized left right and center while the subsidies are being cooked for solar and wind and things like that so it's not a fair fight and it's not just being left to market forces. There are people intervening in the the wrong direction Catherine. If you'd like to some points it would be great to hear more on your podcast so the average person average citizen you know where where do you start some. How'd you find helpful resources that you know you can kind of share with your family that on GonNa now Fox the the people who thinking but I like my and from the holiday we speaking someone has and intelligent friends and family just don't get in a nice line item and it would be it would begin spills? The point people ways nice to kind of calculate says one of the main things you can do as a person to see that I know you features somebody you WanNa gave the number one thing. was that have kids that might already be too late. Philosophy will so Chal studier see you in the double counting and things in that you talk about how helpful resources to the average person as Lady Alm Lincoln Colds Zoe Code and don't know whether you've come across but she's done a very interesting article. I think ten points on how to be responsible but he's very well written article. So how will up for lunch Manda. Where do we go from here and we'll just guessing I just put into our chat on the boot code? There is no <unk> be on Mike earners. Lee's brother of the guy who invents India is kind of the answers to announce yeah he goes through system assessment. What's wrong and what we can do personally what we can do to ask Council sedan what the government can do what needs international action? It's incredibly slow and really nicely written. He's obviously brings us the casting digging. I thank you need massive <unk> almost rice that monthly is pushing for she's in their own direction. We I need in structual chains but we will get until enough people realize that we it's that we can create political teams need but I think economically kind of modern economics ways people like catering looking us how we could shift economy in a way it doesn't necessarily lead a pretty estimate only insightful but attained his from assistant where we have growth whether or not oh people flourish to assisting where people flourish Unin versus whether or not we have growth so anything that's immensely versus and I think that whole races longtime your is one thing and become really really expert acids so that you can talk with a Versi Versi and with intelligence in a way that uses the kind of emotional intelligence that essentially running bringing weaning raise the level of will our interactions point. We're not fighting <UNK> mid range mid brain were actually having some kind of open hearted compassionate discussion amongst ourselves away from China listen that has marked pretty much over religion so it will be hard but I think we have have to do it on the alien our I think the adaptation is obviously so I relented lead also yes well. Let's have the Brexit has will see reason on climate change if they won't be open to discussions of other political points. Uh thank you very much. I think that'd be very useless very interesting and as as I said I'd like to <hes> fellowships as an audio tape <hes> on an episode and I think combined you individually and take up some of the points that you've brought up and developed Bama's well in fact as Tom said it's a big area. It's very complicated. I think I'll go ten topics in this week's punk Kosta were only one last week's show at ten in the one in the week before and I'm still cutting things on say not allowed to go in next go up. There's just so much anyway. Thank you for your contribution so important and it's so useful to thanks to you all thank there's Konczal check ins now and then we left it. Thanks for listening and we'd really like your feedback please. Let's have your ideas either via patron or mail art Anthony Dash Day dot com that was the sustainable stangl futures report for the second longest and yes. I know it's August but they'll be another one next week and I've got plans for no on the week after the May not be one the week after that. That'll give you time to catch up have a great weekend. I'm a

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III.D. Trump Campaign and the Dissemination of Hacked Materials (Mueller Report)

Mueller Report Audio

21:04 min | 1 year ago

III.D. Trump Campaign and the Dissemination of Hacked Materials (Mueller Report)

"Welcome to the Miller report audio before we get started. You should know that part's one eight through one D are heavily redacted. Aren't you get about six and a half minutes in starting with Part One E. The rest of the section has unredacted until the concluding paragraph of the Section Section Three D. trump campaign and the dissemination of hacked materials the trump campaign in show interest in wikileaks releases packed materials throughout the summer and fall of twenty sixteen the next four or five lines or redacted citing harm to ongoing matter one redacted citing harm to ongoing matter background a paragraph of five or six lines redacted citing harm to ongoing matter be contacts with the campaign about wikileaks four or five lines redacted citing harm to ongoing matter on June twelve twenty sixteen assange claimed in a televised interview to have emails relating to Hillary Clinton which are pending publication but provided no additional context in debriefings with the office former Deputy Campaign Chairman Rick Gates said that here's four or five sentences redacted citing harm to ongoing matter skates recalled candidate trump being generally frustrated that the Clinton emails had not been found Paul Manafort who would later become campaign chairman. The next three lines are redacted citing harm to ongoing matter Michael Cohen Former executive vice president of the trump organization and special counsel to Donald J trump told all the office that he recalled an incident in which he was in candidate trumps office in trump tower five or six sentences redacted citing harm to ongoing matter Coen further told the office that after wikileaks subsequent release of Stolen D._N._C. Emails and July twenty sixteen candidate that trump said to cohen something to the effect of redacted citing harm to ongoing matter. Here's one more line in a half redacted citing harm to ongoing matter according to Gates Manafort expressed excitement about the release redacted citing harm to ongoing matter Manafort for his part told the office that shortly after wikileaks July twenty to release Manafort also spoke with candidate trump two and a half lines redacted citing harm to ongoing matter manafort also redacted citing hard ongoing matter I wanted to be kept apprised of any developments with wikileaks and separately told gates to keep in touch redacted citing harm to ongoing matter about future wikileaks releases according to Gates by the late summer of two thousand sixteen but trump campaign was planning a press strategy a communications campaign and messaging based on the possible release of Clinton emails by wikileaks two and a half sentences redacted citing harm to ongoing matter while trump and gates were driving to Laguardia airport redacted citing harm to ongoing matter shortly after the call candidate trump told gates that more releases of damaging information would becoming the next paragraph about four or five lines redacted citing harm to ongoing matter see redacted citing harm to ongoing matter three sentences redacted acted citing harm to ongoing matter Corsey is an author who holds a doctorate in political science in two thousand sixteen of course he also worked for the media outlet World Net daily W N D the next three to four lines redacted citing harm to ongoing matter. the next paragraph redacted citing harm to ongoing matter except for the sentence of course he told the office during interviews that he must have previously discussed assange with malik the next two sentences redacted citing grand jury according to malik doc corsi asked him to put corsi in touch with assange of course he wished to interview malik recalled the course he also suggested that individuals in the orbit of u._k. politician nigel farage might be able to contact assange and asked if malik new them malik told coursey that he would think about the request but made no actual attempt to connect coursey with assange the next paragraph of seven or eight lines redacted citing harmed ongoing matter malik stated to investigators the beginning in or about twenty sixteen ian coursey had multiple facetime discussions russians about wikileaks redacted citing harm to ongoing matter had made a connection to assange and that the hacked e mails john podesta would be released prior to election day and would be helpful to the trump campaign in one conversation in or around august or september twenty sixteen corsi told malik that the release of the podesta emails was coming after which we were going to be in the driver's seat the next five paragraphs on page fifty six and fifty seven are redacted citing harm to ongoing matter de wikileaks october tober seven two thousand sixteen release of stolen podesta emails on october seven hundred sixteen four days after the assange press conference redacted citing harmed ongoing matter the washington post published an access hollywood video captured comments by candidate ended at trump some years earlier and that was expected to adversely affect the campaign less than an hour after the videos publication wiki leaks released the first set of email stolen by the g._r._u. from the account of clinton campaign chairman john podesta the next paragraph about seven or eight sentences redacted citing harmed ongoing matter than another paragraph with four or five sentences redacted citing harm to ongoing matter of course he said that because he had no direct means of communicating with wikileaks he told members of the new site w. n. d. For an launched website focused on trump's unprecedented and dangerous ties to Russia Putin trump dot org wikileaks publicly tweeted. Let's bomb Iraq progress for America PAC to launch Putin trump dot org at nine thirty A.. M. oops P._W.. Is Putin trump Putin trump dot org several hours later wikileaks sent a twitter direct message to Donald Trump junior a pack run anti-trump site Putin trump dot org is about to launch the pack is a recycled pro Iraq war pack. We have guessed the password it is Putin trump see about for who is behind it any comments several hours later. Trump junior emailed a variety of senior campaign staff guys. I got a weird twitter D._M.. From wikileaks see below. I tried the password and a works and the about section they reference contains the next pick in terms of who is behind it not sure if this is anything but it seems like it's really wikileaks asking me as I follow them and it is a d._m.. Do you know the people mentioned and what the conspiracy they are looking for could be these are screen shots but it's a fully built out page claiming to be a pack. Let me know your thoughts and if we want to look into it trump junior attached a screen shot of the about page for the UNE launch site Putin trump dot org the next day after the website had launched publicly trump junior center direct message to wikileaks off the record. I don't know who that is but I'll ask around. Thanks on October. Three 2016 wikileaks sent another direct message to trump junior asking you you guys to help disseminate a link alleged candidate Clinton had advocated using a drone to target Julian assange trump junior responded that he already had done so and asked what's behind this Wednesday leak. I keep reading about wikileaks did not respond on October. Twelve two thousand sixteen wikileaks wrote again that it was great to see you and your dad talking about our publications strongly. Suggest Your Dad tweets this link if you mentioned us wwl Search Dot T._k.. wikileaks wrote that the link would help trump in digging getting through leaked emails and stated. We just released Podesta emails part for two days later. Trump junior publicly tweeted the wwl search dot T. K. link part to other potential campaign interest in Russian hacked materials throughout two thousand sixteen the trump campaign expressed interest in Hillary Clinton's private e mail server and whether approximately thirty thousand emails from that server had in fact been permanently destroyed as reported by the media several individuals associated with the campaign were contacted contacted in two thousand sixteen about various efforts to obtain the missing Clinton emails and other stolen material and support of the trump campaign. Some of these contacts were met with skepticism and nothing came with them others were pursued to some degree. The investigation did not find evidence that the trump campaign recovered any such clinton emails or that these contacts were part of a coordinated effort between Russia and the trump campaign a Henry Up Naski Aka Henry Greenberg in the spring of two thousand sixteen trump campaign adviser Michael Caputo learned through a Florida based Russian business partner that another florida-based Russian Henry Lansky who also went by the name Henry Greenberg claim to have information pertaining to Hillary Clinton Caputo notified Roger Stone and brokered communication between stone and Oak Nancy Okay Danske and stone set up may twenty sixteen in Person Meeting Oak Manzke was accompanied to the meeting by Alexei Raisin. A Ukrainian associate involved in Florida real estate at the meeting raise an offer to sell. allstone derogatory information on Clinton that raisin claimed to have obtained while working for Clinton raising claim to possess financial statements demonstrating Clinton's involvement in money laundering with raisins companies according to the ASCII stone asked if the amounts in question totaled millions billions of dollars but was told it was closer to hundreds of thousands stone refused the offer stating that trump would not pay for opposition research Ach Naski claim to the office that raisins motivation was financial according doc Manzke Raisin had tried unsuccessfully hopefully to shop the Clinton information around to other interested parties and knock Danske would receive a cut if the information was sold raisin as noted in public source documents as the director and or registered agent for a number of Florida companies MENA boyish appears to be connected to Clinton the office found no other evidence that raisin worked for Clinton or any Clinton related entities in their statements to investigators off Nancy and Caputo had contradictory recollections about the meeting Ach Naski claimed that Caputo accompanied stone to the meeting an provided an introduction whereas Caputo did not tell us that he had attended and claim that he was never told what information knock manzke offered Caputo also stated that he was unaware Lansky sought to be paid for the information until stone informed him after the fact the office did not locate raisin in the United States although the office confirmed raisin has been issued a Florida driver's license the office otherwise was unable to determine the content and origin of the information he purportedly offered to stone finally lead the investigation did not identify evidence of a connection between the outreach or the meeting and Russian interference efforts be campaign efforts to obtain deleted Clinton emails after candidate trumps dated July Twenty seven twenty sixteen he hoped Russia would find the thirty thousand emails that are missing trump asked individuals affiliated with his campaign to find the deleted Clinton emails Michael Flynn who would later serve as national security adviser in the trump administration recalled the trump made made this request repeatedly and Flynn subsequently contacted multiple people in an effort to obtain the emails Barbara Ledeen and Peter Smith were among the people contacted by Flynn Ledeen a longtime Senate staffer who had previously sought the Clinton emails is provided updates to Flynn about her efforts. Throughout the summer of Two Thousand Sixteen Smith in investment advisor who was active in Republican politics also attempted to locate and obtain the deleted Clinton emails Ledeen began her efforts to obtain the Clinton emails before Flint's request as early as December Twenty fifteen on December three two thousand fifteen. She emailed Smith a proposal to obtain the emails stating here's the proposal I briefly mentioned to you. The person I described to you would be happy to talk with you either. In person or over the phone on the person can get the emails which one were classified and two were purloined by our enemies that would demonstrate what needs to be demonstrated attached to the email was a twenty five page proposal stating that the Clinton email server was in all likelihood clean hood breached long ago and that the Chinese Russian and Iranian intelligence services could reassemble the servers email content the proposal called for a three-phase approach the first two phases consisted of open source analysis the third earth-based consisted of checking with certain intelligence sources that have access through liaison work with various foreign services to determine if any of those services had gotten to the server the proposal noted even if a single email was recovered and the providence of that E. Mail was a foreign service. It would be catastrophic to the Clinton. Campaign Smith boarded the email to to colleagues and wrote we can discuss to whom it should be referred on December Sixteen Twenty Fifteen Smith informed Ledeen that he had declined to participate in her initiative according to one of Smith's business associates Smith believed the Dean's initiative was not viable at that time just weeks after trump's July twenty sixteen requests to find the Clinton emails however Smith tried to locate and obtain the emails emails himself he created a company raised tens of thousands of dollars Amer recruited security experts and business associates Smith made claims to others involved in the effort and those from who he sought funding that he was in contact with hackers with ties and affiliations nations to Russia who had access to the emails and that his efforts were coordinated with the trump campaign on August twenty eight twenty sixteen smith sent an email from an encrypted account with the subject secretary Clinton's unsecured private email server to an undisclosed close list of recipients including campaign co Chairman Sam Clovis the email stated that Smith was just finish in two days of sensitive meetings here in DC with involved groups to poke and probe on the above it is clear that the Clintons home-based unprotected protected server was hacked with ease by both state related players and private mercenaries parties with varying interests are circling to release ahead of the election on September Two Thousand Sixteen Smith directed a business associate to establish K. L. US research l._l._C. in furtherance of his search for the deleted Clinton emails one of the purposes of Kale s research was to manage the funds Smith raised in support of his initiative Kayla's research received over thirty thousand dollars during the presidential campaign and although Smith represented that he had raised even more money Smith recruited multiple people for his initiative including security experts to search for and authenticate the emails in early two thousand sixteen as part of his recruitment and fundraising effort Smith circulated a document documents stating that his initiative was in coordination with the trump campaign to the extent permitted as an independent expenditure organization the document listed multiple individuals affiliated with the trump campaign including Flynn Clovis bannon and and Kellyanne Conway the investigation established that Smith communicated with at least Flynn and Clovis about his search for the deleted Clinton emails but the office did not identify evidence that any of the listed individuals initiated or directed Smith's efforts in September Timber Twenty Sixteen Smith and Ledeen got back in touch with each other about the respective efforts the Dean wrote to Smith wondering if you had some more detailed reports or memos or other data you could share because we have come a long way in our efforts since we last visited we would need as much etched technical discussion as possible so he could marry it against the new data we have found and then could share it back to you. You're is only Ledeen claimed to have obtained a trove of emails from what she described as the dark web that purported to be the deleted Clinton the emails Ledeen wanted to authenticate the emails and solicited contributions to fund that effort Eric Prince provided funding to higher tech advisor to ascertain the authenticity of the emails according to Prince the tech advisor determined that the emails were not authentic a backup of Smith's computer contained two files that had been downloaded from wikileaks and that were originally attached to emails received by John Podesta. The files on Smith's computer had creation dates of October two thousand sixteen which was prior to the date of their. Released by wikileaks forensic examination however established that the creation date did not reflect win. The files were downloaded dismiss computer it appeared the creation date was when wikileaks staged the document for release as discussed in volume one section three B.. He three see supra. The investigation did not otherwise identify evidence that Smith obtained the files before they're released by wikileaks. Smith continued to send e mails to an undisclosed recipient list about Clinton's deleted emails until shortly before the election for for example on October Twenty Eight Twenty Sixteen Smith wrote that there was a tug of war going on within wikileaks over its planned releases in the next few days and that wikileaks has maintained that it will save the best revelations for last under the theory. This allows little time for response prior to the U._S.. Election November eight an attachment to the email claim that wikileaks release all thirty three thousand deleted emails by November. I know emails obtained from Clinton's Server subsequently released Smith drafted multiple emails stating or intimating that he was in contact with Russian hackers for example in one such emails Smith claimed that in August twenty sixteen careless research had organized meetings with parties who had access to the deleted Clinton emails including parties with ties and affiliations creations to Russia the investigation did not identify evidence that any such meetings occurred associates and security experts who worked with Smith on the initiative did not believe that Smith was in contact with Russian hackers and we're aware of no such connection the investigation did not establish that Smith was in contact with Russian hackers or that Smith Ledeen or other individuals in touch with the trump campaign ultimately obtained the deleted Clinton emails in some the investigation established that the G._R._U. Hacked into e mail accounts ounce of persons affiliated with the Clinton campaign as well as the computers of the D._N._C. and d triple c the G._R._U.. Then exfiltrated data related to the two thousand sixteen election from these accounts and computers and disseminated that data through fictitious online personas onus D._C.. Leaks and Gustav her two point. Oh and later through wikileaks. The investigation also established that the trump campaign displayed interest in the wikileaks releases and that here's a line and a half redacted citing harm to ongoing matter as explained in volume volume one section five B infra evidence was sufficient to support computer intrusion and other charges against G._R._U.. 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Weekly Roundup: Thursday, January 10

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Weekly Roundup: Thursday, January 10

"Hi, this is generic colour from Dallas, Pennsylvania. I'm a third year medical student, and I described in on my first C-section and delivered a healthy baby. Boy, this podcast was recorded at four thirty four PM on Thursday. The tenth of January things may have changed by the time. You hear this? Okay. Here's the show. Hey there. It's the NPR politics podcast. It's the twentieth. Day of the government shutdown partial government shutdown and President Trump visited the US Mexico border. I'm tamer Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Susan Davis. I cover congress. I'm Mara Liasson national political correspondent, and I'm Ron Elving editor correspondent, all right? So before we get to the president's border. Visit very quickly. I would just like to go back in time to yesterday. When all the congressional leaders came up to the White House for a negotiation and thirty minutes later, they were outside talking about how the president had walked out by by. Well, some of the headlines said stormed out, some said walked out, many of the Republicans who had been in the meeting came out and said, no, it wasn't like that at all, very polite. Nobody raised their voice, and nobody slapped the table none of that happened. But the president himself seemed to confirm that he had left the left the proceedings very abruptly. And done so ineffective Pete because he says and Nancy Pelosi says he said if I reopened the government thirty days later, will you give me a wall? And she said, no, right. When she looked out exactly what this is all about. And what it's been all about since the government shutdown started twenty days ago, right? There was no creative way to bridge differences compromise language. So both people both sides would get what they wanted. The president is eager to skip all the way to the last page of the novel where he doesn't end run around congress, declares a national emergency. And does it all by himself that state of emergency thing is something that he's been teasing for a while the idea that he could declare a state of emergency. And then take funds from the military, basically have the military build the wall. Not soldierly, right. Yes. They would fund the wall not build. Yeah. They would take money from a military construct. Funds and not do those things that it was set aside for and instead use it to build the wall. He was on the border today. And you know, he's teased this before he talked about it again on the border today. His message essentially is if Democrats don't give me what I want on the wall. Then I'll do this thing. The for any reason, we don't get this going. They're not going to act responsibly. And they don't mind death and crime and all of the problems that they caused by not having a barrier. Then you will see what happens with national emergency, which I can do very easily, and there's no question halls up, and it was approved by congress pussy acted self was approved by congress earlier today. He said he quote, definitely would do it. If he didn't get a deal, he seems to be very eager to do this, Tim. Do you understand this emergency Powers Act? How does it work if the president were to declare a national emergency is that all it takes? It's not all it takes. But the president's power to declare a national emergency is. Pretty unconstrained basically declaring the emergency gives the president access to about one hundred different statutes, but not all of them would apply in this case and somewhat argue that none of them apply in this case has the president ever invoke these powers before. Yes. This president has invoked them for sanctions on Zimbabwe or unfinished Walea. There are a bunch of presidential emergencies related to a lot of things Ron was telling me like there. There was an emergency declared after nine eleven for instance. And there was an emergency declared after Katrina, and there have been any number of times when the president has declared an emergency as a way of getting access to more of the government's powers and moving money around in ways, there'd be expeditious to deal with something that was universally regarded as a problem like nine eleven or the hoarding of gold at the time of the beginning of the depression or say, Katrina, everyone could agree the government had to act. A needed to act as quickly as possible in this case, it would be invoking an emergency in order to break political stalemate that is a completely different kettle of fish, and the political Genesis of this idea came from the president's outside advisers who have told me quite flatly that they believe if he can't build a wall, he won't get reelected. And if he can't get the Democrats to give him money for a while he has to prove to his base that at least he did everything possible in his powers to fight for this. And they said if the end game to this confrontation over wall money is that if he can't get it from congress. He declares an emergency goes down to the border as he did today. He gets challenged in court, which he will inevitably inevitably challenges even if he loses in court, he still will have kept faith with his base. It's better than the alternative which is throw in the towel and say, well, all right. Maybe we don't really need wall. All that much. I guess either way the wall doesn't necessarily get. Get built. But the thing that would happen. In addition to court challenges is that the house will hold a lot of hearings on why is this an emergency. Why if border apprehensions or the lowest since the nineteen seventies you need to do this. Why you didn't do this in the last two years? Why is it an emergency now, and it wasn't an emergency seven months ago. So there will be a lot of scrutiny on this decision. Yeah. I I was talking to a couple of legal experts about this. And and what they were saying is yes, the president has this pretty vast power to declare an emergency. But if he does it to solve a political problem, if he if he manufacturers crisis, or if the emergency declaration isn't up to the crisis, then they see that as an abuse of power. I think that's part of the reason why it's so interesting to see the discomfort in the eyes of a lot of Republicans on the hill when they start to talk about invoking, these emergency powers. Is not necessarily because they're don't support the president on the wall. If anything I think this week proved that the rank and file Republicans up here are very much behind him. But if he were to do this there is a recognition that it does challenge the norms of executive overreach, which is something that we heard a lot from Republicans during the Obama administration as saying that the president because congress would not act would end run around congress to try and essentially legislate, and that is essentially what the president would be trying to do with these emergency powers. And why couldn't a democratic president say we have a national emergency. We must do these things on climate change. We have a national emergency. We must do these things on healthcare. You know, there's two things though, we now have what might be a majority on the supreme court who believes in executive power, and we also have Republicans in congress who not only are for the president's goal in this which is to build the wall. But they really want the government to be reopened. They want this problem to be off of their plate. And that's what would happen if he declares a national emergency because he'd have to open the government before he did that. But then wouldn't that be congress sort of abdicating its job to wet else's news? This is this. Homers having to confront the fact that they have already sacrificed much of their Coequal powers over the years drip, by drown issue by issue. If you take the president at face value that there is a humanitarian and security crisis at the border. That is a thing that congress could fix through legislation, but congress is not doing it. Well, because the president says the answer is a wall. The Democrats are willing to do a lot of things on border security, the sticking point is a wall. The president would be invoking this national emergency to build a wall. A wall to get. Yes. While by his definition, not to get more beds in detention centers or more immigration judges. He would be doing this to build a wall. And and this is where the new divided government would really come into play because you'd have a lot of house committees who would be able to investigate this and really grill administration officials on why all of a sudden this is really a crisis when it wasn't before. And when illegal border crossings are have been coming down steadily since two thousand three is also the counter political incentives, mar talked about the president his advisors who see the wall is critical to his presidency to his reelection to his to his base support. I mean, Democrats get that too. Right. Nancy Pelosi understands that calculation that if Donald Trump gets a win here on the wall that is good for the president. And I think that's why you see Democrats in lockstep behind this strategy between with Nancy Pelosi, saying, absolutely no wall. There is no sentiment that I pick up talking. The Democrats up here that they are in any way nervous about what denying the wall could do to them politically if immigrants have a base to exactly and if anything House Democrats that just took the majority look at the two thousand eighteen midterms where the president weaponize the border in the closing weeks of the two thousand eighteen campaign, and they still swept control of the house. So they in many regards think that this issue has been litigated by the public. The public does not support the wall, and they're going to keep fighting it till the bitter end because they do see if they went on this a very destructive political loss for the president, which is a pretty big prize. If you're a democrat right now, he's made it so important him. He's made the wall kind of the focal point of his his presidency to the point where Democrats have to stop him one thing. That is totally mind boggling to me about this is like a messaging thing from the president. Is he went from who's going to build the wall or who's going to pay for the wall and shit Mexico's gonna pay for the wall too. To tax payers need to pay for the wall. Congress has to pay for the wall. And we're going to shut down the government to get it to potentially. We're going to take money away from the military to pay for the wall. You know, this is on track to now become the longest shutdown in history. I do think it's worth thinking about the pressure points on what could possibly end this Friday is a payday for a lot of federal workers. I think the pain that real Americans are feeling becomes more and more a reality. And one of the realities of the shutdown is that hundreds of thousands of Americans are being asked to suffer due to an unrelated political stalemate in Washington, and I don't know how sustainable that is. But I think as more and more people are actually affected by this. It will be hard to connect the dots. As to why you're not getting a paycheck or you can't go to a park, or you know, your airports getting jammed up or all of those things are somehow tied up to a border fight. And I think that that is gonna be a hard message. Wjr, particularly for the president to continue to tell the people that you know, Americans should suffer because of this border dispute. That's why can declaring a national emergency is so appealing not just to the White House to congress because it ends the shutdown, and it might be the only way out and right now right now, President Trump is getting all the attention. He's at the border. Those are the images on TV as those paychecks. Don't go out the people who were affected are going to be the ones whose images are dominating the news. All right Mara. And Ron we are going to let you go. Thank you so much. Thank you for. And when we get back to letter up it is time once again to talk about the Russia investigation support for this podcast and the following message. Come from the Annie E Casey foundation developing solutions to support strong families and communities to help ensure a brighter future for America's children. More information is available at eighty CF dot org stash shepherd thought she knew. Hi, dad. Then one day a stranger called home phone is in my ear. And he saying your father's a crock. Did you know that the story of a fallen hero? And the mysterious obsession that drove him for decades this week on hidden brain and were back and we've got Carrie Johnson and Phil Ewing in the studio. Hey, guys, high Artem and we've brought you in because we got news this week that we actually shouldn't have gotten because it was supposed to be redacted in a court filing. But it turns out it wasn't redacted. Kerry. What happened there it appears that a lot of lawyers in this country need to take elements courses in technology because they was kind of a cut in paste fail. Paul manafort's lawyers intended to make something redacted or blacked out. But they did it wrong. So that if you copied that texts that was in black in their original document and pasted into new decadent you could see every secret word that they tight. Okay. So what were the secret words? What did we learn from this document? Well, we learned at least three new facts about alleged lies that the special counsel believes that Paul Manafort, the former campaign chairman for Donald Trump told investigators after he agreed to plead guilty one is that he allegedly shared. A polling information with a Russian business associate a longtime Russian business associate that the Muller team, the special counsel team has linked to Russian intelligence that seems like a big thing. It seems like kind of a big thing. We don't know exactly when this handoff occurred. And whether this was internal secret polling data from the Trump campaign or regular old polling data that a lot of people would have had access to but nonetheless, kind of relevant to an investigation of Russian election interference in two thousand sixteen you might say, right. You might say the second thing that we learned was that Paul Manafort head gone ahead and met with this former business associate con. Instantan- Kalim Nick in Madrid where they allegedly discussed a Ukraine peace plan that once again is code for lifting sanctions against Russia. And the third thing that we learned about Manafort allege lies was that Manafort who had told investigators he was not in touch with the Trump White House or Trump administration officials really very much at all after the inauguration and at period after that Manafort had in fact been in touch with several Trump administration officials and he had authorized some unnamed third party to drop his name to drop Paul manafort's name. If this person ever got a meeting with the president it also is unclear yet, whether President Trump had any knowledge about these contexts or what metaphor vitamin doing Trump was asked about this as he got ready to go on his trip to the border. And he said, no, he did not know what metaphors doing. But there are people like Senator Mark Warner who doesn't usually go out on a limb. He's the ranking democrat on. The Senate intelligence committee in he was on with Anderson Cooper saying this. I don't know whether you call that collusion or what you call that. But to me that is inappropriate, and is is one of the most significant items of this whole investigation. We've only really here's what was fascinating to me about Senator Warner's comments. He was asked elsewhere on CNN on Wednesday. Whether he knew about this contact before his committee. The Senate intelligence committee has been looking into Russia since almost before the special counsel's office in two thousand seventeen and he said, no this was new to him which is important because it shows you even after all this time and energy by members of congress. There are still things that they are learning in real time. The way we are coming out of these government investigations or coming out in this case of these legal disputes between people like Paul Manafort and prosecutors, and so we don't know what we don't know even after all this time, and it could be that around the corner, they'll be more huge revelations or other bits of information that no one expected. That could change the story in the way that it's been changed. So many times before I just wanna pause for a second because this is one of many developments that have happened over the course of the last two years, maybe not the biggest development on its own. But we have come a very very very long way from ho picks the spokesperson for the Trump campaign saying there was no contact with Russians. This is a long way from no contact with Russians. Not only that meeting in two thousand sixteen between Donald Trump junior, Jared, Kushner and Paul Manafort with this delegation from Russian that was supposed to offer the campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, the Russian lawyer in that meeting was charged this week in an unrelated case in New York City by the US attorney's office there with obstruction of Justice and the two important things about that case that we need to know for our purposes one she's very close with the Russian government. According to the allegations in that indictment and to the US government has been collecting her communications with Russian government officials. The court documents allude to. Email. She was sending and receiving with people who work from the Russian government inference that was the case in two thousand sixteen as well for this meeting further inference, the US government, the national security agency or the CIA or the FBI have been monitoring what she's been saying to people in Russia. So again, there's this huge pool of information that the government has the special counsel's office, the Intel agencies still have that we only see small snippets of. But the story keeps moving forward. So even if each individual thing is not a big bombshell. It adds up to a much more complete understanding about what took place. All right. Let's move on to one other Justice related thing. Which is the president's pick for attorney general has his hearings next week. He's been up on Capitol Hill. Carey can you start by telling us who he is his name is Bill bar. He actually has been the attorney general before under president, George H W Bush. He's a well known quantity. Pretty well liked inside the Justice department a guy who went on to have made major roles in. In Washington DC, go community made a lot of money working as general counsels for big companies in the DC area. And elsewhere his daughter happens to work for the current deputy attorney general, and he's a pretty conservative guy. But also pretty pro law and order law enforcement guy, sue you are up on the hill. He has been up on the hill. How is he being received? You know, usually these are more about charm offensive and giving a chance to get to know senators one on one it is not necessarily gone as well as these visits often. Do he did spend a part of the week meeting with people like Lindsey Graham, but he also had a bit of a I guess like a PR mishap in that Senate Democrats, including mclovin jars a democrat from Minnesota saying that she asked to meet with him, and he refused and declined blaming the shutdown, but that became sort of a mini dust up, and then they backtracked. And now they're set to meet so not going necessarily as smooth as I always think they like to go. Oh, maybe that's because of the government shutdown. Good good use of shutdown excuse, I think. Ooh. Sorry. Shut down. He probably is in a good position for Senate confirmation because Republicans grew their majority in the midterm elections. They have fifty three seats now. And I would say barring a really poor performance at his confirmation hearings next week the sense, you get from Senate Republicans is most of them are inclined to support him. I think he will probably face some tough grilling uncertain questions, certainly the Russian investigation. But there hasn't really been within Republican circles, which is where it really matters any real sense that this is a nomination in trouble. He had written this memo this extensive memo that he sent to people at the Justice department, and apparently people affiliated with President Trump as well, lawyers affiliated with Trump. Sort of outlining what was wrong with the Muller investigation. And why he didn't think that the president could be charged with obstruction of Justice, which you you gotta figure he's going to be asked about that. E will be asked about that. And he has been about that in fact in the meeting with Lindsey Graham yesterday, Lindsey Graham said he asked him about the Miller investigation, and what he protected and Graham ca essentially came out and said he was told that he would protect the Miller investigation that he did not believe Robert Muller was on a witch hunt. And also dropped a little bit of trivia to note that Bill Barr and Robert Muller are in the words above our good friends, and even Lindsey Graham said publicly to reporters, I didn't even know they were that close. I fact check this. And it's true. It is true that they are good friends. It is true. That Muller has attended the weddings of attorney general nominee, Bill bars. Children and their spouses know, each other, and that is all true. And I think that is something it's a it's a minor piece of trivia. But I think it's major in that that is the kind of thing I think you will hear. A lot of Republicans point to in the rationale for why they believe that they can trust bar is that personal relationship. And I think partly it's true as Gary said, but also I think that is something that will we will probably hear a lot about next week in terms of giving his nomination, you know, giving people cover to say, you know, I believe in my trust it can vote for him. And there is another item that comes out of this, which is that rod Rosenstein, the deputy attorney general we've talked about a lot on this podcast who's been overseeing the Russian destination. He would leave if bars confirmed. Yeah, word from inside Justice is that rod Rosenstein who will have been in the job for nearly two years. Probably run the time that Boris confirmed. If he is in fact, confirmed is thinking about leaving there may be some period of overlap where these two men kind of exchange information and work alongside each other for a little while. But in a way, it's normal. It's natural. It's not one of these situations that some progressives and people on the left in. Including some Democrats in congress feared where Rosenstein is getting pushed out by Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is I'm gonna take the Muller investigation over and control it himself. The issue is listen when you get a new boss at the top of a department that new person generally gets to pick his or her number two and rod Rosenstein seems to understand that acknowledged that and is leaving kind of on his own accord as opposed to being pushed off the plank. All right. We are going to take a quick break. And when we get back can't let it go support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from the Ford Foundation working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide to address inequality in all its forms. Learn more at Ford Foundation dot org. Hey, it's guy-roger here. And on the next how I built this. How to women with no background in fitness setup. Some stationary bikes. Dim the lights boosted the music and created a cult following in a multi-million dollar. Business called soul cycle, you can find how I built this wherever you listen to podcasts, and we're back, and we're going to end the show like we do every week with can't let it go. Where we talk about the one thing we can't stop thinking about and talking about politics or otherwise carry, you know, the president was asked today about the personal business of an individual American citizen. The president was asked about the pending divorce of Amazon founder and Washington Post owner Jeff bazo visas is getting divorced. He's getting divorce from his wife of twenty five years. They barely announced this divorce on Twitter said it was amicable. They've been undergoing a trial separation for a long time. And they hoped to remain amicable for some time to come. But for some reason, this became a point of questioning of the president of the United States. Well, that's a whole nother question. Right. Yeah. Exactly. The fourth apparent I wake up. I wish you luck going to be a beauty. It's going to be a beauty. You know, this president has said about a lot of things over the years that word beauty Tam. It's true. He he has described a lot of things that he considers to be negative as a beauty. Yeah. So it's unclear to me whether the beauty of the situation was Jeff Bezos. Whether it was the amount of money that Jeff Bezos may be losing or just the whole idea of divorce in general to this particular president. But wow, it was a lot. It's stuck in my mind this morning, something we don't often see in Washington. I can't wait to see the tweets, Tim. What can't you let go of this week? There's a video going around on the internet of a nineteen fifties. Western TV series called the track down. And in this episode of this show, a doctor Walter Trump comes to a western town, and he is predicting doom. He is predicting that the town will be hit by an ask. Streudel comet and blown off of earth. And there is just one man who sees through this. He brings the whole town together to tell them how he is going to save them. It will cost a lot of money of people. But they were ready to believe like she ran toward the slaughterhouse and waiting for them was the high priest of fraud. I the only one. Caspi has Mr. Trump, I can build a wall around your homes that nothing would penetrate. Do how do we save ourselves? You ask how do you build on you ask? And I'm here to steal slats. So what you're saying? Is he alone can build this wall. That seems to be what Dr Walter Trump was going to say in the show in eventually they catch him. And they say, you know, you're going to have to tell the people about your fraud. Tell them Trump. You're going to come back and tell him it's a fake. Is it true? That in the next episode of the show the sheriff's office shuts down and the deputies. I'll get furloughed. I don't know what happens in the next episode. This one seems to be the only one that is posted on the YouTube. Well, there you go Soo. What can't you like? Oh, okay. Have you guys ever seen the movie broadcast news, one of my very Farris? No when I was a little girl. My dad said someday, you'll be a journalist you need to watch this movie. Yes. So broadcast news is an eighties film. It is. I don't know if I'm going to say, it's my favorite journals and film, but it's definitely one of my favorite films about journalism, and in it, it is essentially the story of female news producer, who's like really high strung, but really am vicious and sort of captures the Geist of TV news in the eighties. It's a perfect little movie and unto itself people should just watch it because it's so great. So I love that movie and earlier this week. There was news out of CBS that they had named new head of news. And it's a woman named Susan's or Inskeep. I admit if you've never heard of her I had never heard of either. And I was at home and my husband works for CBS news. And he got the announcement about. Susan sqi. And he kind of says to me off handedly like, oh, yeah. No. She was the basis for the Holly hunter character in some movie. And I like sat up, and I was like, wait a minute. She was the she was the basis for the Holly hunter character and broadcast news. I had no idea about this that in the movie broadcast news this character perfectly played by Holly. Hunter was based on Susan's Renske that she was actually a technical producer on the film that she worked with Albert Brooks to get the character. Right and people who know her say like the character. In the menu resumes are all based on Susan's earn sqi, and it just kind of blows my mind because I've had my whole adult life believing that this was like a purely fictional film. And did not know it was based on a real person in the news. And I think it's so perfect. Because if you know, the movie broadcast news that is probably what ended up happening to Holly, hunter's character. Jane, Craig, yes, but promoted at the age of sixty six years old. I asked the question whether. You know, she might have got this job twenty five years ago. For instance, it's great that she got it. Now. She's a hero of mine having never met her but adore this movie. And I watch it at least once a year because it's funny. And it's funny because it's true. Did you know that she was the basis for this? Like am. I the only person that did not know this piece of news trivia, I did notice I did not. Yeah. I just think it's really cool. And I think that is like an amazing bragging right to be the real life person that this conic character at a journalism movie was based after an if you have not seen the movie, dear podcast listeners. You should watch it because it's amazing Phil why can't you go off? Here's what I can't let go of this week two words baby shark. Baby. Baby. Baby. Oh, baby baby. Baby shark is as those of us who are cultural leaders here at NPR. No, a huge hit online for children under. What's the cutoff Tam for? No. My six year old likes it. So I'm going to say at least six my daughter is three and we sing baby shark in our home or permutations on baby shark literally every day multiple times a day and half for about six months and this week baby shark broke into the mainstream. It became number thirty two on the billboard hot one hundred list of actual songs, and you heard it here first. But anyway, it's a thing in the mainstream. Now that it hasn't been in a lot of ways, and it's kind of become a crossover hit which is insane. It's made it by this up for kids. That's right. It's created by the South Korean children's brand which has all this stuff on YouTube, videos, and so forth. And I looked at the original video which is actually from two years ago. I didn't know this. It has more than two. Two billion views that's billion with a B. And now finally it's kinda working its way into the American mainstream yet sue your child is too young for this. This is the horror of my future. Baby shark within the next year. And you just can't get it out of your head. We will all be singing this all day. I will be walking around in. They be chocolate. Baby. Also, the songs that make you think that there are subliminal messages for kids like there's some things ever petted in the sound of it that you're like you telling all these kids baby shark. Or that is a wrap for today. We will be back as soon as there's political news you need to know about until then head to Twitter or Facebook or Instagram and search for NPR politics for the most up to the minute news. I'm tamer Keith. I cover the White House. I'm Susan Davis. I cover congress. I'm Kerry Johnson. I covered the Justice department, and I'm feeling national security and thank you for listening to the NPR politics podcasts.

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The Revelations And Redactions Of The Mueller Report

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The Revelations And Redactions Of The Mueller Report

"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Fidelity Investments, taking a personalized approach to helping you grow and protect your wealth. Learn more at fidelity dot com slash wealth. Fidelity brokerage services LLC from WHYY in Philadelphia. I'm Terry gross with fresh air today. We talk about the Muller report with Rosalind Helderman an investigative reporter for the Washington Post. She co-wrote the commentary and analysis for the post addition of the Muller report. We'll talk about the report's revelations the reductions and Muller's conclusion that there was insufficient evidence for charges of conspiracy. She also says there are questions that were left unaddressed the issue of what we should do about. Russia moving forward weather, the president's campaign or the president's behavior is damaging national security, whether some of these things were not legal but immoral or wrong, and none of those things were in the mandate of the special counsel. And so. Nothing like that is a dressed in the report and Justin Chang reviews avengers in game. The twenty second film in this marvel series. Support for this podcast comes from the Neubauer family foundation, supporting WHYY's, fresh air and its commitment to sharing ideas and encouraging meaningful conversation regard to talk about the Muller report with Rosalind holder men. She's a Washington Post investigative reporter for the papers, national political staff, and she broke several key stories about Russia's interference in the election and connections between Russians and the Trump campaign and administration. She co wrote the commentary and analysis accompanying the Washington Post publication of the report which has been published as a paperback and e book Rosalind Helderman, welcome to fresh air since most of your reporting has been about the Russian interference in the election and ties between the Trump campaign. The Trump administration in Russia. Let's look at a new story. You learn from the Miller investigation the story that wasn't known before. Has to do with the Russian business name Peter oven. Tell us that story. Sure, this is really interesting. So this apparently happens after the election, and you know, one of the things the report points out, which is worth contemplating as we think about this whole subject of what happened during the campaign. You know, you had all these half hazard efforts to get to Trump people before the campaign, and they don't really seem to have connected. So then we got the election. And apparently Vladimir Putin is concerned that he is not close enough to Donald Trump and his team especially his team. And so Peter Ogden is a board member of a big Russian Bank Alpha-bank, and apparently he agreed to sit for an interview with mowers team. And he told the investigators that in December of twenty sixteen President Putin started speaking to his oligarchs about his desire to get closer to team Trump oven described that, you know, the biggest business leaders in Russia. Are required to have a quarterly meeting with Putin one on one meeting where they talk about the world, and he says that in his own meeting in that month. Putin sort of started talking about how bad sanctions were for Alpha-bank, and how it was obvious responsibility to try to do something about US sanctions. And you know, this concern that he wasn't close enough to Trump and often told the investigators that he interpreted that as a directive from President Putin that it was his responsibility to find a way to get close to Trump people. And he said that he he actually did try that and didn't have a lot of success. But he said the Putin would press him in future quarterly meetings. He would ask, you know. How's that going, and he had to sort of report back that it wasn't going very well? And didn't Putin also imply that there would be consequences if his oligarchy didn't make connections with the Trump team. Yes, exactly often indicated that you know, that was part of his understanding that this was something he really had to. Try because Putin had indicated that there would be some kind of consequences for failure. Now that particular episode with Peter Ogden at least appears to end when he gets a subpoena from the more investigation, and he reports back to Putin's chief of staff that he's received the subpoena, and you know, they're going to want to be speaking with him, and that's kind of where where that story trails off. But they're sort of this implication that if this was happening with often it was likely happening with a whole lot of other people as well. So what's the importance of this revelation from the mullahs report? I would say, it's twofold. First of all, I think it shows the ways in which Putin sort of understood that having worked hard to help Donald Trump ghetto acted that. He now believed there should be a way to ensure that the new Trump administration was friendly to his interests in the Russians. We know experts who have studied their behavior talk about how they really believe in the use of back channels the sort of soft power soft diplomacy. So you know, he was not just going to try to affect Choate a his policy aims through his own personal phone calls with President Trump or through his diplomats interactions with the US State Department. He believed that this was a task that should be also embarked upon in much more informal ways using his class of businessmen who might have the ability to get to a Donald Trump junior or to get to a Jared Kushner to sort of tell. Them how we can have better relations between Russia and the United States. So that's one thing. The other thing is what I sort of looked out before. Which is that it does suggest that at the end of the day. There had not been a connection during the campaign. And it helps us understand. Why mowers investigators determined that? There was not a criminal conspiracy to be charged against the Trump campaign because of Putin is still looking into semi 2016 to make these connections. It is a sign that he did not feel he had made the connection during the campaign. So in terms of the soft back channels that Putin wanted to create we've seen a lot of examples of that in the mullahs report. And of course, in the reporting that a journalist like yourself have done. Yeah. That's right. And you know, right after the report tells us about Peter Aubin it goes onto explain this long. An interesting episode that happens. During the presidential transition involving the head of the Russian sovereign wealth front Curiel Dmitriev, which is a incident that was first reported way back in two thousand seventeen by the Washington Post where this Russian banker meets in the Seychelles the Indian Ocean resort island with air prince. So you've got some sort of back channel to Putin of the head of the Russian sovereign wealth fund meeting with potentially backchannel to the Trump transition team. Eric prince, the founder of the former company blackwater, the brother or to Betsy DeVos education secretary. That's that has been talked about a lot and people have been wondering what was that really about? What went on there? What did we learn from the Miller report about what actually went on at that meeting in the Seychelles? Yeah. We learned a lot new. I mean, this is a really good example of a moment in the report where they take on an issue that has been reported on a lot. And yet they found a lot of new information about it. So one of the things they found was that Eric prince, frankly, despite what he had testified previously to congress. He definitely believed that he was there as a back channel to the Trump transition team, he told congress that he didn't even know this Russian banker was going to be in the Seychelles that it was a meeting that had been organized by representatives of the UAE. And he thought he was meeting with government officials from that country and lo and behold, you so's ups in the Seychelles, and there is KIRO Dmitriev, and they have this very informal chat. Well, what becomes clear from the report is basically that's not at all. How it went down? In fact, Dmitriev had been coordinating with this guy named George Nader. An who was working with the UAE for quite a while pressing Nater to try to get him to meet someone actually during the campaign from the Trump campaign, and then subsequently from the Trump transition and neater coordinated with prince prince received by graphical information about Dmitriev before going to the Seychelles. He in fact received it while he was sitting at Trump Tower and mower team tells us that he opened that up. So it appears he was reading it potentially showing it to someone else. And then there's quite a lot of documentary evidence that shows that prince and Mitri of and George Nader all of those people believe that prince have been sent to the Seychelles by Steve Bannon to make this contact the have this meeting with this Russian banker wearing they were going to talk about how to better relations between the US and Russia Steuben in apparently told investigators that he did not know. Oh, the Seychelles meaning was going to happen and doesn't have any memory of talking. Eric prince about it. So what Muller is reporting is different from what Bannon and prince testified. Yeah. That's right. And what they say is that they sort of acknowledged that the accounts of this of this episode that come from Eric prints, and Steve Bannon are very different. But they say that they ultimately can't resolve the difference in a one of the reasons is because they tell us that neither Steve Bannon, nor Eric prints had retain their text messages from that time period, even though they can see meta data, and they can see that the two men exchanged dozens of text messages, Eric prince, actually texted Steve Bannon from the Seychelles, and yet none of that material was was retained, and it's actually one of a number of interesting moments in the report where Moore's team alerts the public to the limits of their investigation a places where they were potentially stymied and could not ultimately weren everything that they wanted to learn. So, you know, some people are saying, well, the report says there's nothing to see here in terms of, you know, conspiracy with Muller report saying we had access to a limited amount of information. And then there's things we just can't see their to Opik because of encryption there to pay because people were lying or not speaking. So, you know, Muller even concludes at the end that as we find out more information, his conclusions might change. Yeah. That's right. I mean, you know, he describes each of these episodes, and then there's sort of an analysis in which each of them. He describes that they concluded that the evidence did not establish a criminal conspiracy. But the report also indicates that the worldwide of links and ties between people associated with the Russian government and people associated with Trump that there were various kinds of offers of assistance, and that in some cases those off. Offers were welcomed, and in some cases, they were less welcome. And you know, as you indicated mower also tells us that there are things that they could not figure out and additional information that emerges later could change our view of certain topics. So President Trump dismissed the reporting that journalists were doing as fake news was your reporting affirmed by the Miller report. Yeah. I do feel like a reporting was affirmed by the more report. You know, I think when you look across the the span of of the two three years of reporting they've gone on on this subject. There certainly been some errors made by the media writ large. I think they're some moments of overheated rhetoric particularly on cable news but episode after episode that's described in the report came out I in accurate reporting the Trump Tower meeting, which was first reported by the New York Times, the Seychelles meeting between the Russian banker and Eric prince first reported by the Washington Post, Paul Manafort, campaign chairman and his relationship with Constantine Kalinic has Russian employees first reported in various places, including the Washington Post. We were the first report that Paul Manafort had offered private brief. Things to Russian billionaire named Oliveira pasta one hundred percent true. And in the report, you know, our reporting certainly never said that there was a criminal conspiracy. What we indicated was that there were links and ties that were interesting odd weird to campaign did not reject them. The campaign did not report them, and that was certainly vividly illustrated in the report there are many reductions color-coded reductions in the mullahs report. What were the most frustrating reductions for you were, you know, you're getting to something interesting all of a sudden, it's blacked out. Yeah. I think the ones that are most frustrating are the ones that indicated that they've been redacted for possible harm to an ongoing matter. H M is the abbreviation they use in the report we been having a lot of conversations around here about the the home material the harm to ongoing matter material because we know that that's been redacted because there is some continued interest in it. And so that's very enticing that there are things that they have remaining interest in and, you know, some of those I believe have to do with Roger stone. The president's longtime friend who has been charged with lying to congress and attempting to obstruct Justice he's going to go on trial in November, and the judge has imposed gag order in that case. And in fact, before the report was released prosecutors filed something in his case to alert the judge that they would. Redacting everything having to do with Roger stone from the report. And so you can sort of feel just when they're getting into kind of good or interesting conversations about what Donald Trump's campaign was saying internally about WikiLeaks at the time of the of the releases of the hat emails. Suddenly, you have a big balk of redacted taxed, and it feels like it's likely because it relates in some way to Roger stone. Do the reductions over clues about what you should be investigating. Maybe maybe they do, you know, there's this appendix at the back where we learned that the mowers team apparently referred fourteen separate possible. Criminal matters to other US attorneys offices around the country matters. They believed to be outside of the mandate or scope of their direct investigation and of the fourteen there's only two that appear in unredacted form. One is Michael Cohen, which we all knew have been referred to the southern district of New York which prosecuted him for various matters, including campaign finance violations. The other one is Greg Craig the former counsel to president baba who was just recently charged just here in Washington DC with lying to the department of Justice about whether he needed to. To register as a foreign lobbyist for work. You did in Ukraine. So we know about those two matters. But apparently, there's twelve others. And we don't know what they are. And they're ranged alphabetically. So you can kind of try to do a little bit of sort of a mixing and matching and trying to figure out if you can figure out for instance, there's two of them that come between the names Cohen and Craig so you can try to do some guesswork to try to figure out what they might be. But I don't know that we have a good sense of that. And that's a lot of criminal investigations were. They restrictions on Muller that you hadn't known about until the release of the report. Not necessarily that. I can tell we do. Learn a lot more though about his efforts to get an interview with the president of the United States, which certainly seems like a big hole in the report. There's a live discussion of the letters that go back and forth between the president's lawyers a on mower. Steam over the issue of whether or not the president is going to agree to sit for an interview, of course, at one point he had very publicly sort of boasted that he would be happy to do that. And that he should do that his lawyers apparently prevailed on him and convinced him that that would be a bad idea. Ultimately, he submitted written answers to questions having to do only with the campaign not to his conduct in office. And those answers are included in an appendix in the back of the report. But the most team writes in the report that they found those answers inadequate. They were imprecise they weren't detailed enough. It's. They couldn't sort of ask the follow up questions that you would ordinarily ask an actual interview. And they write that they considered trying to subpoena the president and compelling testimony. And ultimately decided not do that. Because they understood that it would spark an extremely wealthy court fight that would have extended the investigation and delayed its conclusion in a way that they found unacceptable. They also did indicate that the main thing they would have wanted to know from the president particularly about his time in office. How did you with his mindset as they explored the issue of what was his intent as he did all these things, and they did note that they felt like they had a lot of information about what was on his mind from others and from Twitter. I mean, this is a president who tends to let people know what's on his mind in a very public way. And so they feel like they had gathered quite a bit of that evidence. Even without that interview. Well, another thing with Trump's written answers to prosecutors. He wrote that he didn't recall or didn't remember to about thirty seven questions, and I should note. He'd previously bragged about having the greatest memory. Yeah. That's absolutely true. And I mean, let's let's be clear what we say. He wrote. He did not right. I would encourage people to to. I would encourage people to read the whole report. I think it's a it's a good thing for for all citizens to do. But I would certainly encourage people to read his answers for themselves, and you can get some sense of whether those answers sound like the President Trump that you're used to hearing and public statements her on Twitter, or perhaps they sound maybe a little bit more like his lawyers. But indeed on question after question where he's asked serve rather specific things. What is he, you know, did Roger stone ever tell him about WikiLeaks? You know, all kinds of things the the answer is I do not recall that or they're sort of a hedge, you know, essentially trying to say, no, I don't think that happened. But I don't really recall it. My guest is Rosalind Helderman an investigative reporter for the Washington Post. She wrote the commentary and analysis for the post publication of the. Mullahs report, which is available as a paperback or e book, we'll talk more after a break and Justin Chang will review avengers endgame. The climactic twenty second film in this marvel series. 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No want to quote, a few lines from it because I'd really be interested in your reaction. He writes, as I read the report, I was struck by how much was missing the enormous counter intelligence and national security risks and ramifications of the president's conduct and those around him the special counsel's investigation began as a counterintelligence investigation by the FBI into an attack by hostile foreign power yet. The report describes the counter intelligence component only. In a single paragraph. A wondering if that struck you too. Yeah. I was struck in general by what was and was not in the report. And I think it's important to remember that these prosecutors they have very specific. And in some ways narrow task their task was to discover whether anyone committed a crime that could be proven in a court of law beyond a reasonable doubt. And so the issue of what we should do about Russia moving forward, whether the president's campaign or the president's behavior is damaging national security, whether some of these things were not a legal but immoral or wrong, and none of those things were in the mandate of the special counsel. And so nothing like that is dressed in the report as congressman Schiff said there is one paragraph. That tells us that there were FBI agents apparently embedded within the more team too. Right. Ports about foreign intelligence matters. And counter intelligence matters that they learned along the way and send those out to other parts of the FBI. So we do know that they were as they were doing their investigation. They were gathering intelligence that can be used by the US government for the protection of the country. But we don't know anything about what the content of those reports were and if they were useful. And and what exactly was learned so questions you just raised? There were outside of the scope of the molar investigation were was Trump and his administration's actions immoral unethical, presented they present security risks. And we know we know whether or not the president conspired with Russia or whether or not his team conspired with Russia of the president was very dismissive of any information showing that Russia interfered with the election. President Trump seemed to do like nothing. To try to investigate that or stop that from happening again, bolster our security against that and similar cyber attacks from hostile foreign powers. So this was outside of the scope of the molar investigations who gets to weigh in on these questions is it congress is that a question for impeachment proceedings like who who decides the answers to those questions? I mean, honestly, ultimately, it's the American public. It's the public that has to decide what they think of this. I mean, yes, there's obviously a role for congress. There's particularly sort of additional investigative and oversight role for congress to bring out facts to make sure the public knows about this. And here's about this. But ultimately, it's going to be the American people, and you know, the American voter who needs to decide what to make of all this. So one of the things you reported on before the mullahs report came out was the Trump Tower meeting in which what led to the meeting was that Don, jR, was tipped off that if he met with this Russian lawyer Natalya veselnitskaya that she would have dirt on Hillary Clinton done junior responded. If it's what you say, I love it. So the way the Trump administration tried to present this meeting was that. Oh, well, this meeting was about the Russian adoption laws. Ause which were controversial and sanctions because Putin wanted sanctions lifted and everybody was trying to investigate what was this meeting really about? So what did you learn from the mullahs report about what actually happened that this meeting? Yeah. And this is an area where I think the report basically confirmed public reporting and also congress has actually dug into this quite a bit. And so there were no huge surprises about the Trump Tower meeting. What seems to have happened is that there was some puffery involved with the setting up of the meeting. Donald Trump junior believe he was going to be getting about Hillary Clinton from the Russian government as part of a Russian government effort to help elect his father. But that turned out to not actually really be true. What this meeting was really about was the Magnitsky act this law that was imposed in the United States to punish Russia for human rights abuses, and has been a real thorn in the side of item of Putin. He is extremely distressed about this law and in retaliation for it. He imposed a ban on the adoption of Russian children by American families, including halting adoptions that were in process at the time that he did this which has been a real issue. For American families. And so that's what they were actually there to discuss the meeting took about twenty minutes with remotely crew. And it seems as though everyone came away pretty disappointed in it on the Trump side thought they were getting dirt on Hillary Clinton, and they didn't get it. And they felt displeased without this meeting have been a waste of time and on the Russian side vessel sky who had been really working. This madness. Ski act issue wanted to press her policy issue, and she didn't really feel like she had gotten like a real a real reception for that. So Don juniors willingness to meet with Russians and ever cereal foreign power to get dirt on his father's opponent in the presidential campaign. I mean, you're not supposed to do that with an adversarial foreign power or with any foreign power. So why did motor conclude that that wasn't a crime? Yeah. I mean, they are never going to be able to race from history that if it's what you say I love. Email right. I mean, the Email he received was as clear as could be about what he was being told this meeting wise, it was dirt on Hillary from the Russian government as part of a government effort to elect his father, and he said bring it on. But ultimately. Yeah, the mower team determined that. They did not think that they could make a criminal case around this meeting. They said that they looked at it in terms of whether it was part of a larger conspiracy, and they did not feel as though they could establish that this meeting had sort of a nexus with the other Russian government efforts to elect Trump, you know, the the hacking of the emails or the social media campaign. And so they did not think that there was a way to say that because Donald Trump junior took this meeting he had engaged in a conspiracy to do those other things with the Russians then they also analyze this meeting for a possible campaign finance violation in the United States. You're only allowed to. Cept campaign finance contributions from American citizens or permanent residents. And so could you see the offer of the dirt as an in-kind campaign contribution? That was then accepted by the campaign from from a foreign source, and they decided that would be a difficult case to make it would be difficult to show that the dirt was sort of thing value under the rubric of campaign finance law, and those laws also require for a violation to be criminal requires a knowing violation of the law. You have to know that you're taking an illegal contribution. And they said that it would be very difficult to show that the people at that meeting. Understood that taking it was against the law. So in that respect on juniors possible ignorance of the law helped prevent him from being charged with a crime. Yeah. That's right. I mean, there are various areas of the code where ignorance of the law actually is a defense because prosecutor has to be able to show that you're. Knowing and willful to prove a crime, and they assessed that they would have difficulty showing that the people in that meeting that was knowing and willful violation of the law. So Don, jR, did not testify he declined to testify. So I guess he wasn't subpoenaed. Well, I'm not so sure about that. The report does indicate that he declined to voluntary interview. And then there's another sentence that follows that sentence that's been redacted as grand jury material. So we don't know what's underneath that sentence. It may well indicate I mean, given that is grand jury material that in response to that Moore's team gave him a grand jury subpoena. And so, you know, did he testify before the grand jury after being compelled did he potentially assert his fifth amendment rights and therefore not testify? We don't know. That's one of those things I is indeed fully hidden from us by redaction. Well, let's take a short break here. And then we'll talk some more. If you're just joining us, my guest as Rosalind Helderman. She's a at at the Washington Post where she's an investigative reporter for the national political staff, and she co wrote the commentary and analysis that accompanies the Washington Post publication of the mullahs report, which is available now we're going to take a short break and be right back. This is fresh air support for this NPR podcast and the following message. Come from the United States postal service every day innovative companies are reinventing the way business happens. 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What was your reaction when you heard that? Yeah. I found that incredibly striking first of all it ignores the fact that most prosecutors actually charged two separate crimes it was not just a couple of Facebook ads. There was also the whole other part of the effort where they very aggressively hacked, the emails of the Democratic Party and people associated with Hillary Clinton and then weaponized. His emails in a way that was welcomed and amplified by the Trump campaign by publishing them through WikiLeaks. So it sort of Nurdin big prong of what the Russians did. And just generally it was so dismissive of something I if you've read the report and the previous indictments was a really well orchestrated wall hung stayahead, hang Russian government effort to interfere in our democracy. And you know to dismiss that as a few Facebook ads is is quite something. But that's one of the really hard things to understand about this whole story. Why has President Trump and the people close to him denied the importance of Russia's interference in our democracy? I mean, we'll an explanation is that President Trump thinks that that makes it seem like he didn't like legitimately win the election and that it undermines his presidency. But it's just so hard to understand why there so much evidence. Russia's interference and the president people close to have been so dismissive of that evidence. Yeah. And that's a question. Not an exactly that way. But we do get some insight into it from the report itself because you know, they spend quite a lot of time as they're analyzing the questions of obstruction of Justice at examining what they believed to be the president's mindset his motivations. Why he is doing things that he is doing and they do over and over again mention that point that you just raised which is his fear that acknowledging the Russian attack that allowing an investigation into it. That's going to bring forward additional facts that that will de legitimize his victory or in some way, take something away from it. And we know this is a president who is very invested in his own victory. You know, two years later still routinely at campaign rallies tells the story of his great victory over Hillary Clinton in two thousand sixteen I believe still. This day likes to hand visitors to the White House a copy of the colored electoral map to show which states he won. And so you know, we shouldn't discount this idea that he is a fearful that any acknowledgement of what the Russians did in two thousand sixteen somehow take something away from his personal victory. One of the stories you help break for the Washington Post was the meeting at a New York cigar bar near Trump Tower during the campaign between Paul Manafort, there's an August twenty sixteen when Manafort was still the head of the Trump campaign. And so as a meeting between Manafort his business, associate Rick gates and Constantine Kalinic, a Russian Ukrainian political consultant who worked with Manafort when Manafort was working on the campaign victory on a kovic who was elected Ukraine's, president became a very authoritarian. President Manafort worked with Yana kovic for several years. US intelligence thought that Constantine Kalinic had ties to Russian Intel. Agence? So tell us a bit about what you reported about this meeting when you help break the story, and then we'll come impera to what the mullahs report has to say, well, this is one of those moments in the report where there's been so much public discussion about it that it's easy to sort of forget just how incredibly stunning it would have been for us to have worn this back in August of twenty sixteen here, you've got the chairman of the president's campaign, chairman of the of the campaign of the Republican nominee to be president of the United States and throughout the months that he's working for Donald Trump. He is on the side communicating. Emailing phone calling and in fact, meeting twice in person with a guy that the US government believes has ties to Russian intelligence, and what we have learned through a previous court documents. And through the report itself not just communicating with colonic passing along to him messages that he wishes to be take. Taken to Ukrainian politicians and also a businessman who's very close to vitamin Putin, a Russian businessman or pasta, and in fact, even passing along to him polling data internal polling data from the Trump campaign. So you mentioned this August second meeting what we know about that meeting is metaphor is still in charge of the campaign. He's in charge until about the middle of August and clinic comes to the United States from Moscow where he has been meeting with victory on a kovic people will remember that Yanukovych was ousted from office in Ukraine in two thousand fourteen as a result of the public protests there against his rule, and so he's been living in exile in Moscow, Yana kovic and Kalinic met, and then Kalinic came to New York to tell Paul Manafort that he and Yana kovic have a plan for peace in Ukraine, but this is peace in Ukraine on Russia's terms. It would be a peace plan that would result in Russia. Retaining the portions of Ukraine that it has. Faded a next and the goal essentially is to get Paul metaphor onboard with this idea. And Paul Manafort says that he tells prosecutors he understands that this plan was a a backchannel effort to help Russia, and he understands also that to to put it into place. It would require the approval of the next president would acquire the provable the guy he's working for we also know that at this strange meeting at the cigar bar, Paul Manafort lease out Kalinic what's going on in the campaign and describe as to him a plan that he has to win the campaign by contesting traditionally democratic leaning states in the midwest places like Michigan and Wisconsin at Donald Trump did ultimately win. And that is in fact, how he won the presidency. And so you have this image of the president's campaign chairman sharing. All these details with someone who according to the F B I has ties to Russian intelligence though. I would note that we at the Washington Post have had some contact with Mr. Clem, Nick including recently as last week, and he has always denied that. Claim that he has intelligence. He absolutely says, it's not true. What did you learn that you didn't already know about this meeting from the mullahs report? Yes. Some details about the the Ukraine peace plan. Just exactly what it was. And how Paul Manafort understood it to be? I think we also learned just how extensive the effort was by Manafort to provide internal campaign data. He apparently asked Rick gates is deputy to drop memos for three Ukrainian politicians and also der pasta as soon as he joined the campaign, he asked for these memos to be written sort of describing his role with the campaign and essentially saying that they should wanna work with him in the future. He clearly was viewing his role with the Trump campaign as a way to alleviate debts. He was actually a legal dispute with their POSCO claimed that metaphor owed him money as he wanted to somehow find a way to use his Trump campaign role to make that dispute go away and to make money in the future. But interestingly, we also know from the report that the investigators were actually unable to crack every mystery involve. With this interaction. Well, Roslyn Hiltermann, thank you so much for talking with us on. Thank you for your reporting. Thank you so much for having me Roslyn Helderman is an investigative reporter for the Washington Post. She wrote the commentary and analysis for the post public ation of the mullahs report, which is available as a paperback or e book after we take a short break. Justin Chang will review avengers endgame. This is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from going through it a new mail chimp original podcast hosted by an Friedman. 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Chris Hemsworth, Mark, Ruffalo, Chris Evans, and Scarlett Johansson, film critic Justin Chang has this review at the end of vendors Infinity war, the marvel cinematic 'cause MOS had been plunged into chaos, the six Infinity stones those magic gems that govern all matter in the universe fell into the hands of a giant purple super villain named thunnus who with the snap of a finger reduced half the population to ask iron man, captain America Thor and the hulk survived but a lot of their. Allies like Spiderman Black Panther doctor. Strange and Nick fury weren't so lucky I found Infinity war entertaining enough like most marvel movies, but also jaw-dropping in its cynicism. Surely, these deaths were just a stunt amass tragedy that could be reversed with just another snap of the finger. It's that sense of disproportionate excess. That is often made the marvel movies such cause for frustration despite their obvious pleasures so much endless narrative. My new show in visual effects, razzle dazzle, the plow through for so little genuine feeling in return. But maybe my last defenses have finally been worn down because I gladly surrendered to avengers endgame which runs just over three hours considerably longer than Infinity war, but feels much quicker and lighter on its feet as it turns out killing off half your on Somboon has its advantages. The new movie has fewer characters which means we get more quality time with each of them as the grand. Culmination of twenty two tightly interconnected movies avengers endgame brings this initial chapter of the saga at least to a stirring and resonant close as the movie opens those who have survived the apocalypse Arna tents ragged mood as the tragedy of losing several billion souls at once starts to sink in some of the movies best scenes are at slowest and quietest taking stock of the characters grief and their struggle to move on. It's consoling to be reunited with the forlorn faces of Scarlett Johansson, Mark Ruffalo, Don, Cheadle, Chris Evans, and Chris Hemsworth also known as black widow, the hulk warm sheen captain America and Thor who are determined not to let thunnus have the last word there. Joined this time by Brielle arson as captain marvel introduced in her own standalone movie last month who believes she can tip the scales in the vendors favor. Soons again. We'd be going in short handed. You know, look, he's still got stone. So so let's get up. Use them to bring everyone back just like that. Yeah. Just like, even if there's a small chance that we can undo this. I mean, we owe it to everyone who's not in this room to try if we do this. How do we know it's gonna end any differently than it did before? Because before you didn't have me. Hey, new girl. Everybody in this room is about that superhero life. And if you don't mind my asking where the hell of you been off his time. There are a lot of other planets in the universe. Unfortunately, they didn't have you guys. Robert Downey junior is back to as iron man, whose first movie kicked off this enterprise eleven years ago and his deadpan yet heartfelt performance remains the emotional Lynch pin of the series, even with iron man's technological genius recovering the Infinity stones and undoing donnas. Evil scheme will be the riskiest most complicated mission. The avengers have undertaken, especially with several key personnel out of commission. They have some help from ant, man. Played by Paul Rudd, whose understanding of the finer points of quantum physics comes in handy. I'll tread lightly over the plot. Suffice to say that endgame becomes a dazzling journey through time in which the avengers must navigate and playfully manipulate a series of flashbacks from earlier movies. There are enough inside jokes familiar faces to tickle, your nostalgia. And the sense of dramatic convergence of countless threads from the entire marvel. Saga finally being. Pulled together is thrilling if also a little exhausting like most overstuffed finales, this one sometimes finds itself at narrative cross purposes, how do you tell a story with relentless momentum? Also staging giant cast reunion. The returning directors Joe and Anthony Russo have mastered, the kind of crowd control these movies require and they're good at steering the shifts in tone from gravity to whimsey. I wish the action scenes were better staged shot. The final showdown is a murky indecipherable blur in which you can barely tell who smashing whom the marvel series has become a curious phenomenon in that respect these are action movies in which the action itself is almost beside the point what matters is the serialized storytelling in the superhero mythology the Reverend humor and the memorable characters we say goodbye to a few of those characters in endgame, and this time there's nothing gimmicky about their deaths is a genuine point. Ency and finality to these farewells. This isn't the last marvel movie, of course, anew Spiderman picture is coming up in July and the next chapter of the overarching saga is probably already in the works. I wouldn't mind if they called it quits now avengers endgame is a remarkable payoff and easily one of the better pictures marvel has made, but I hope the next one this good isn't another twenty two movies away. 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0170: Scott Dworkin (1/7/2019)

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0170: Scott Dworkin (1/7/2019)

"Hi, this is Lorraine in Ohio. And you're listening to two broads talking. Politics. Are you listening? Hey, everybody. This is Kelly with two broads talking politics. We are still basking in the glow of a new democratic house. I'm here with my co hosts Sophie, hey, Sophie. Hey, Kelly basking, right? And we are joined today by Scott workin who is the co founder and lead investigator for the democratic coalition and is host of his own podcast the door can report. Hi, scott. How are you? Great better better now than last week, right? Lutely. Absolutely. All right. So it's cut. Maybe you could start us off with just some background about you know, what what you've done up till now and what the democratic coalition is. I went to NC state, and I got a degrees in sociology and all political science did internships that turned into jobs during college. And then went on the road for campaign starting at two thousand five and then in two thousand seven I started working in defeat and. A guy named Barack Obama decide to run for president. And that worked out for him in the in two thousand nine I was the deputy director of the narrow committee. I was lucky now to be the liaison advanced person, handling his friends that were on the campaign trail with people like Quincy, Lucas and lily Ledbetter leaders in the movement people who write commercials things like that. And was able to finagle away that we could dance onstage with an after his first dance with Michelle. So that was a fun little ditty. Only problem was I was very very ill. I got boys day after the campaign. I ran a marathon two days before the lectuing, not smartest thing in the world. I did it was poisoning, which is not the not very smart at all. Anyway. So there's an iconic fixture of him with Denzel. And then I'm right in the middle of it with a side view while I'm on steroids. So I looked up these. So at least my pictures, you know, for denzel's house, that's interesting enough. So then I worked on after that I worked on a bunch of congressional gubernatorial campaign all across the country of working all states in DC on on Detroit's pains twenty twelve w director of the convention in Charlotte. My job was to run the stadium speech, which we did not have the stadium speech. If you remember we did in two thousand eight two thousand twelve the weather was bad. And you know, so we moved into the convention center. So that was you know, eighty thousand people difference and the my job is done. So I got to work on convention that with those a lot of fun and. Then in twenty sixteen building up to the start of the coalition. What happened with it people started threatening Hillary, and we were I guess me and some friends started get really concerned because no one was really speaking out in like a more official capacity. And so you've got one guy who was a West Virginia delegate as in the state house Representative, and he he decided to say that Hillary should be hung on the mall in the National Mall. And I was like, well, this is that's crazy like e should be in jail for that. Like, this is not something. That's okay. No one should be. Okay with this kind of talk. And so I'm vested him a little bit because I've done background candidates and things like that in the past. And it looked into him. And he was a United Airlines pilot. And it was just like, well, this is just like, I am who should not be a pilot who should not be in government at all. And so we really well, what can we do about it? So you know, we filed a complaint with it against him with the secret service. And then we promoted that online then this ball, the Ciro guy and a couple other threads started coming out. And we started doing that again, where we would push back and say, you know, we filed a report with the secret service, we contacted FBI amount it, and we publicly said that and then that stuff started getting reported by, you know, different news agencies in a survey get national tension, and you know, that is the beginning, I guess of or coalition or resistance and then against it was. Maybe he's the timber twenty sixteen googling the wrong thing and found my way onto a Russian business website. And of course, as many would do, and I was already investigating his mom is and other things about Trump. And I just saw this rushing. Honestly fight. Why are there so many businesses registered, you know, under his name, even though he had a trademark it really didn't make any sense to me. It didn't add up. And then, you know, I tweeted something out. It was like, well what what is this about in the response from the campaign was no Russian ties. Let's just belie like I can see here, you know, forty million for this piece of art that he got commissioned, and then you have millions. He made off with Trump because there then you have twenty million from Miss Universe mocked out there at least, and I'm just like wine been lie about that. Like why cover that up? What you did that publicly? And now you're lying about it. So we started to dig in. I took all the information put into report in three days after the election after the White House, and then to congress as well that included people like Carter page, my twin the admirals people who did mock out Miss Universe Moscow, and that he was going to build Trump Tower Monica with and then I took that. And I started reporting it on MSNBC so worked with joy and others for the next year. And that kind of you know, that mixed with the social organizing aspect of it. And then getting people to do stuff in person like vote, you know, activism, basically, and that that leads us figure, you know. You know, the kind of the road is a very general way to go about at the death, Allah got here. So I'm interested in this investigative piece because the intelligence are just published something last week. I think that says Donald Trump was never vetted. And so to me that feels very much like sort of where we are right now is that, you know, most most people by the time, they become president have held other political office have have done things that have caused people to already be looking into their background. It's it's sort of shocking that we have a president that there's so much still to discover about and then there's so much you can still be doing digging on. So what are the kinds of things that you're sort of focusing investigative lens on right now. The Republican senators provoke member members of the house and the Republicans that are part of the party state elected officials as well. We're tracking the money trail for each seeing. If there's LLC's that our math that early to foreign agents, and then we are really focused on from in his family and tracking back of a budget different thing, but I can say Middle Eastern time. And so we'll be doing or on that they're more extensively thought. And then African as well they've done a lot of work in North Africa in South Africa and across the continent. So it's been you know, there's that there's also Russian link connection in different places across the world where he got funding or they but condos apartments, so we're we're focused on following the money, basically. Now, we know you know, we know that Robert Muller's on top of. All of this. But we think that you know, the public has a right to know. We don't want to negatively affect you know, anything in the vegetation anything we can track down though, you know, we usually presented attorneys, and then we decide whether or not it's worth releasing and who to release it to sometimes we'll just take our evidence. If not, you know, something that you would want to send out of because it doesn't make a lot of sense. But you're not sure where it goes. Then we send it to our Turney descended the procreate federal agency or or whatnot. But we always wanna make sure that the due-diligence. So that we don't, you know, throwing stick in the spokes of their investigation. But he's about ten years ahead of your ear nose. You know, everything about him. I think I think Trump is is pretty screwed when it comes to two molar is it did not going around, but we're focused on you know, basically him is family. Everybody's ever known and just make. I'm sure that you know, where was he every single day of his life for the past, you know, forty years and figuring out in any company that ever been linked to them any documents to and then most importantly going through the, you know, tens of thousands of documents and files and photos that we've already collected. So the a based on or that we've had over two years, what makes more sense now. And what can we put together we put together this map of his time line what he'd done where the money's come from? And so on so it's really about following the money. That's what we're really focused on right now. You have mentioned that you believe the public has a right to know. Can you tell us based on reactions that you've seen in the past two year investigation, and sort of what you know? Now, what you think how much she thinks people the average voter cares. What what you think the reaction of the average voter is to these types investigation. Sure. I mean, most people, you know, there's a lot of information. So simplifying it and making sure that you know, you have you have this clear as possible that that's the that's the key making sure that you put it together in a cohesive sort of p either in or or or, you know, Twitter string, or whatever it may work. But you gotta make sure that you simplify in connected us. Usually there have to be some sort of criminal element to it. It can't just be like he made money there. You have to figure out like did. He do it legally. Did he do it with a Bank that was under sanctioning? Did. He, and so it's gotta be it's gotta be have to sort of angle to it in order for people to at least a massive level of because people are starting to get tired of the same thing over and over again. Okay. He's got more and more in that sad. Because, you know, this is it's crazy. How many different ties how many financial ties to ever cereal government? I mean, this is a guy that still operates casinos across the world. And he's the sitting president, and I just, you know, Panama, China and other punchers, and the, you know, he's still selling apartments across the world and Turkey in South Korea in places that you know. People wouldn't really expect the American presidents is still be operating business. And I can bet you know, this has is absolutely has a decision making capability than he he decide based on his business. And that is not not just against the constitution is against everything that marriage stand school. So, you know, the American voter I think is a of easily wants to get to the bottom of it. They wanted to be some duck. Now, you know, and so that's gonna be hard to do without Muller. But but as long as we keep on it and trying to you know, again and get more people to talk about it more people that were involved with them. You know, I interviewed someone like rob goals, and he was in the Trump Tower meeting, and in that interview, he has said, you know, would just. Slate slip up, I guess he's of sky, the Russian Atari spoke English, and that was a big deal because she toward after David congress where she said, you know, I need a translator like all this other jazz, and, you know, combined with the fact that will you know, they might have met with outside the elevator. So you have these things that start peeling away stories become more real and honest part of it start to slip out. So, you know, we have to keep digging it like that that's one thing for sure. But it really is it's tough because you know, these people intentionally lie, and you can see that with McClatchy reported that at least cell phone of Michael Collins was in prod, and I told him I was like the young like, you know, were you ever in Czech Republic. For for any reason ever. And his responsibly was no all caps period. And that was like two weeks ago. I think, but I it's it's so they're starting to I think he's mind by the way 'cause he told David porn. He was there a few years ago. He told Wall Street Journal he was there two thousand one and me personally. I don't forget any countries that I've ever been to. Yeah. I mean and non that. So it's just there's lions lie. And I think as being cover more thing, you know, it may be annoying to some people. But it's something that we have to do in order to make sure that we call up these people with they are, which is a lot of them are traitors. But by the definition of this term, if you want to what I what I like to think of it is we're insider award and the main opponent in that is Russia and we're under attack by Russia via cyber methods. And so. Sitting anyways, treat them. And you know, I I think some people agree with people don't. But I think they redefined freeze it, I think, and I think that the the voter is doing care about what comes next because about five percent of this all has been reveal like most of it has not and is worse than you could ever imagine. We're recording the sun Monday morning and yesterday was the Golden Globes. So there were some choice comments made. About some Republicans Christian bale talked about Mitch McConnell is being in uncharismatic asshole. You know, so the it's very clear that there are a number of people in Hollywood, especially who are just being very very outspoken in a way. I don't think we saw as much in previous previous Republican administrations. You know, you've talked to a number of people you had a an interview recently with rob Reiner you've interviewed alyssum Alano. What do you think is sort of deriving this sentiment among artists who are pushing back against Trump in the administration in do you think that that pushes the needle at all? With the American public. I think some people say, oh, you don't have a right to talk about it. I say they have responsibility to use their stardom to talk about these issues in the bring them out and speak out. They have to use that megaphone for good a little been doing it for decades. You know, rob at of is they had as well. But like at this level this explicitly, you know, there's the benefit of efforts are not outweighing the negative of it with the death threats. And you know, what not? But a lot of these a lot of these liberties that come out and speak out against them. You know, there's something that crosses the line. That can never be returned. You know, it could be an anti comment could be something about the environment. But e crosses the line in there. Like, okay, I'm done a lot of times, you know, a work with different sludge to to see like your to make sure that they don't say. Something that just you know, doesn't make any sense. So we'll be the messaging guidance. Sometimes we ran the of first artists against Trump group, which we opened in twenty sixteen. I think a lot of people just wanted to be gotta get them this level of speaking out. I think some people obviously wanna do it because it's a popular sentiment to get. And they wanna be you know, in the mix of that. And they don't wanna stay on the sidelines. But I think most of the people most of the luxuries are speaking out. There's some kind of issue that the cross the line with and they're just airtight him because they know how bad he is for this country in the world. And I think that you know, they do help because you know, look at Taylor swift. I mean, it, you know, I forget the hundreds of thousands of voter registrations that were made within the week of her announcing her support of the democrat. At a pushing the fact of vote has been really a sensual and a lot of those votes seven crap into I think, it's a I think it's a necessity for for celebrities to to get involved with with politics. I don't think that there's a lot of. Oh, I just wanna be Hoppy. Because again, the the blowback at least used to be so negative in their mind because they never wanted to get criticized, and they just have to adjust them get used to trolls. And that's going to happen. You do this. But people like litho stepped up early. You know, those those are the kind of people that added got to do it before it was cool. But I welcome. And I challenge any any person to to use their megaphone. She's gotta get this. Because again, I think it's at a level now where you shouldn't be famous. You shouldn't be, you know, famous actor actress and musician if you don't use that megaphone for good. Good. I've always been a believer in that. I definitely don't think that anybody should stay on five times. Whether you're, you know, play sports, professionally like, LeBron James again like who else is going to speak out for different people, you know, and he's got an opportunity audience use it for good that he's been doing that. And it's been very helpful. Not only is less than the death threats against me and people like me, and but it'd be. Developed ill. Brings more of a lack of people, you know, shape, their word for her their fans of these people. And so they will look into an issue when they bring it up. So it's been extremely helpful especially in the media when we have celebrity mixed into it. We get news coverage. And that helps the cause because you know, a lot of times it's positive news coverage it's not criticism. So, you know, I I think celebrities have done a lot. I think they can do more of. But you know, I'm happy with where we're at. I think that you know, it's going to be a different level for twenty twenty. I think you're gonna see more people than I guess call it forever, -ties, speaking out of level of we'd never seen before ever in the history of the country. Feeling as though the Trump administration was screwed by the molested. I'm wondering if we can talk a little bit about what that means. What do you see as the end game for your investigations? And for the molar investigation for the Trump administration. I know we don't know for sure, but speculation is fun. I think with with more. I think he's been do probably multiple reports not just one, and he reports will be made public, and I think that ill make it clear that Trump's committed crimes, whether you know, the election fraud, embezzlement, money laundering. I think it's gonna hotline that I think outlined the course of history, you know, what he's done how much money is where I think the criminal aspect of it will overcome him. I think you'll then make a plea deal or him is family and the Trump organization in exchange for his resignation and lesser buzzer. Crimes. Still out the face crimes. They'll still charged with something. I don't think you'll get all. But it might be we so, you know, there's the disappointment of like he probably not going to go to jail. They'll probably get it doctors to bone Spurs, doctor's note, or whatever and he's older. So he may be able to prison, but you know, he's not gonna be able to. The justice. I think that that the Justice here is him losing money and losing position moving any family of respect in America, waking up because you think like that this is like the best worst thing. That's happened to us in generation like this is it's a terrible thing to happen. But it's woke up the people care about redistricting gerrymandering, you'll care about voter registration more ever. This is something that we needed to move the needle in this country into wake up sad as it is. I mean, if you get the positive of this nature Timite, I think that we become a stronger country. I know that are personally have become, you know, stronger more Teflon s again attacked and things like that. But the end game, I think that molars gonna do all drawn like, you know, homily of him his friends, you know, whether it's redoing. Or, you know, arresting people on a map to scale. But you know, the fact is most of this is not done. Most of this is not ugly and all of it will become public. We may not learn some of that about it and never learned some of it. And maybe maybe for the best. We don't wanna know, you know, if the Russians were here if Russians attacked Americans, I know different Americans here that have been not despite on, but they're broken into. And this is not conspiracy stuff. This is real legit. You know, obviously in way when I was pushing for a special counsel with group in twenty seventeen the Russian government, the embassy in the u k tweeted out something with Louise Mench and me thing. Cheers. Keep calling Trump Putin's of it. And. It was the cafe au from great, Kathy. Cheers up and after that became one of the most accounts in the world. And so it was it was very into teen and continued, but it was very targeted and a normal president with stick up for someone when a visual embassy is tweeting out basically targeting like that. But at the end game here is the bottom line. I think with our education, I think that we'll be able to bring ethics charges against people not us personally. But congress will be able to based on evidence collected against remembers congress chief it and others have let congress that glass while they were in congress, and people's they left congress, but their staff out, and we need to make sure that those people are flushed out as well. Well, so investigations in the them will be filing will refiling are updated at this complaints. I think there's like the teen of. And so, you know, I think the key for the coalition is to make sure that everyone pays for the crimes that they commit in making sure that Democratic Congress does it for our size. Well, so if someone is democrat, we treat doesn't say, you know, again, this is I I don't care which side you're on we need to relabel at the here. And right now, there's it's just a cesspool instead of swamp. I'm so we're in a bad spot as the country, but I really truly believe that through everyone doing together in the resistance, everyone the port we get throughout the world, and what Muller and congress will uncover and just imagine. Like, they have access to everything they'll mill if newness was texting with someone at the White House. They'll know if they emailed back and forth, they'll be able to release any whole transcripts. They'll be able to take any evidence and make that ugly or make people aware, and then they'll also have full access to everything now. So, you know, I think that the the craziest thing is Republicans don't know can happen next. But I I really do believe that in the next month. The world is going to completely change is this. It's not even a question. Like, it's just a matter of when and I think in the next few weeks, you're gonna see things shift into a more fuelling like this is America again and the back on the right track. At least this is not going to end anytime too. This is a continuous battle in fight definitely through twenty twenty. You know, I I think Muller is going to do more than the people seem I think that Trump's de trouble. And I think the person's gonna suppose his fraud and everything he's done throughout his entire life. And the guy that's gonna bring them down is doing to be route remote. And I just don't see how it's possible for be any other way based on everyone. I talked to everything that we've done, and, you know, on top of that the coalition of make sure that again, you know, just as disturbed to any members of congress that have done illegal ex and making sure that they are pushed out force to resign or you know, face consequences based on whether it be fines or jail time sell. How do we also Kaz? Now, there's so much going on. There's the mother investigation there's the government shutdown. There's people starting to. Say they're running for president twenty twenty. What are what sort of your thoughts on? How how we all focus? What we do where we where we should be messaging. What we should be doing moving forward when there's so many balls in the air. I think the presidential stuff is awesome. So like, the more people that joined the fray, the more ways is we have lake Biden going back into the fold. Now, he's going to be able to speak in reported. Are you know? So I welcome every Democrats step on that national stage because we need everybody began. You know, staying sing focus. I think we got a obviously, the key right now to make sure that Mitch McConnell vote to reopen the government and Trump signs it right now Mitch is, you know, pantley the puppet of Trump. So that makes things confusing. But you know, there's so many, you're right. There's so many issues going on right now, there's so many corruptible, and there's so many acting attorney general acting chief as death. It's a conduct consolidation of power. Obviously, it's a dictator the keys to look at the thirty thousand foot level. So right now. Our main focus is to reopen the government, and then we have to look at. Okay. How do we do that one of the key ways to do that is for speaker Pelosi to lead the charge against McConnell, and then McConnell will vote? And then the pressure's Trump because there's no way doesn't pack. There's no way that they don't get the votes they have in the Senate. So I think that there's going to be, you know, there's a plan on the democratic side of things where it's going to be made clear the ineptness the sitting on the hand, and then the unwillingness to compromise or do anything on the other side. And I think that they've looked ability for any credibility or being able to claim, you know, just all talk talk talk of so staying focused on right now. You know, I what I do is. I take day by day. And we look at it. Okay. What are the battle? You have to fight to that. What our priorities for today in the grand scheme of things are the priorities for the week and the month. You don't wanna plan to for head because the conversation can change, you know, almost immediately. But think about it like the we have hearings in the next few weeks on let's start with the two children that die. During an after being in border patrol custody. You're gonna hear those stories. He covered rub world. No bad. That makes America. Look, you know what I mean? Like, if it I think that the the conversation will be driven by as in what topic it will be. It's more Trump and speaker Pelosi, but we're ready to talk about every single corrupt subject and make sure we bring everything back up depending on when hearings are for what subject, and so it's the day by day battle where you know. You can't you can't plan ahead. You can't do do too much of that. And then you have to be flexible yet to be kinda like rubber bandaged where you are able to adjust based on what he tweets what he says because it does control conversation, but we just embrace that we embrace that we say, okay based on this, lunatic, and whatever. Tweets out today. We'll be able to respond. We're ready for you know, a hundred and fifty different subjects and we're ready to bring out. Okay. You wanna talk about, you know, the environment than we're ready. We have videos. We have old news articles in current news articles. And then we have a different tweets that we draft of Italy, a hashtag never ready to push out to control the messaging. So, you know, they can they can define what starts, you know, immigrants to how day gonna go. So what they're not gonna control the narratives. And that's what I if you're wise, we need to make sure that we have more control of narrative overall. They can control the subject matter. You know, they can say, oh, this is, you know, this is going to be sunny day that they are we going to be able to do that for so long because again as secret Pelosi takes more patrol the helm here. And there's more people. Seeking out and, you know, four in congress giving testimony that's going to be that's going to be truly L pull it'll make it. So that we can finally control a lot of that conversation. Weakened controls subject matter, we complain ahead. You know, we can not be caught off guard on a daily basis. And so, you know, we just were patient. We made it this far, you know, so it's kind of again day by day battle, but we're slowly. But surely being able to control where the narrative that being said there's obviously emergency situations. Like right now where the coalition's almost full focus is on two things. One is investigating these people in the Senate mainly and then in their money on top of everything involved with the shutdown and making sure that we get stories out there about how people are. Affected by it. That is really is. It really is about controlling that narrative of much as we can and making sure that the people speak out, and there amplified from that from that time on so it's a is definitely is definitely day by day process. But we're prepared we're organized we're bigger than ever louder than ever. I think com combined myself cedar Pelosi and represented Acadia Cortes bind for more positive interactions in the past week on Twitter and Trump and that beating him on his own field. And once we start chipping away at that is tweet start to matter less, and so then he doesn't have his fake news outlet. They doesn't have his propaganda maker. You know, like, that's where people then repeat whatever he says there, and that becomes the narrative national because really Trump's. Ed, so low of because it's so crazy, but he actually controlling the narrative, anyway, the long story short is that if the day by day process, we're ready for anything even aliens attacking maybe not that. But you know, we'd probably welcome them at this point. It is really about shaking everything and just making sure that every single day we are diligent as possible in to make sure that we can find every way possible to make sure that the truth gets out there, and that we override any kind of fake messaging. He has and fightback in every single way. But the key right now, we're going to be cast on the shutdown and to getting government Ryoko. That is our that is our main focus. All right. Is there anything else that you wanna make sure we talk about? I just say that I know the roads been long, I know it's been hard. I know that. Everybody is sick of it. But we made it this far. You know, like we made it this far we can make it through anything. Like, I know that it's probably gonna get worse is probably gonna and then especially when he leaves office, and we uncover everything that he did like that's when as when stuff if the fan, and we have to do with the fact that you know, the he did things that were illegal while in office. And then we're gonna have to face that at the punch Frey and rebuilt. But luckily, he's so off the charts. It's gonna be easier to rebuild because he's so crazy. It's going to be easier to rebuild these relationships internationally and be trusted once him and all his cronies or flushed out. But again, we have to get to that point. So this is probably this time right now is going to be some of the tough that we've ever faced country. But you know, we we have to keep our on the ball, which is going to be twenty twenty and. You know, making sure that we fight on a daily basis, I know that I committed to being with the coalition through the presidential election. And I know John the rest of the members are as well. So we're not going anywhere and we're just getting louder. So, you know, I think that things looked rate for here thing, you know, we have nothing attentional in the future. But again, he's still in the White House. He's still controls a lot of things, and you know, he's going to do what KiKi ns day office. And we just have to be prepared for anything you because he is a lunatic. So, you know. Just keep in mind, we can be positive about it. We can be excited about the fact that we have a democratic house. Now, I mean excited about we have the potential taking with the Senate and the White House, and I think that is in the grant even things things positive as possible in this native time that's going to be this would be the goal for for everybody. I know I'm going to try and do better online knows where and you know, I'm not gonna not gonna tone it down. But I going to, you know, be more snarky, and, and let's let's you know, I I'm not gonna say the world is falling. I don't think ever really say that. But I do, you know, he's you know, fraud, he's criminal. But anyways, the story short is everybody keep your head up. We've got you know, this is is is a completely different world. Now, we made it through the hardest part which. Two years of just direct control and without anything on the inside, no years allies and not being able to expose anything. Now, we have some sort of semblance of control at that is huge. So the the future is bright. So, you know, I think that people should keep that in mind. How far we've come in. It's only because the American people. That's why we may have as far. Yeah. Totally agree. I remember on November ninth twenty sixteen health far it seemed to get through four years in. Hey, we're halfway there. Yeah. I mean, it's throat. But but again, I think it's worth it me personally, I'm stronger person now, and I know a lot of friends that she'll in members of congress stronger speak out louder. And Finally, I think we're going to have at the end of this. I think we're gonna have the strongest Micra c and strongest country in the world by far and. You know, one of the things keep in mind. One thing. Putin never expected. This docket is the response from America's never expected to be so resilient in so harsh. So I mean, you know, be ready to March ready to protest, the resist more, but the future's bright, and you know, because people like you and others. This is this is why we've this country in they actually up folks like us now and to you. Thank you, Scott. Thank you so much for joining us today. This has been really great really loved watching all your stuff on Twitter and people should check out your podcast as well. If they haven't twerk in report as thanks in willa will keep fighting you so much ridiculous time in black too much. Everybody. There's a lot to say right now. Angry. They could take up fire day we wanted to do. But they were having me. I appreciate thanks for listening to to broads talking politics. Are theme song is called. Are. You listening off of the album elephant shaped trees by the band, EMU Newry. And we're using it with permission of the band our logo and other original artwork. Is by Matthew Wesleyan and was created for use by this podcast?

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Russia if you're listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing. So it is political Europe. Communist know. Mr. green, communism is just a red herring. Like, all members of the oldest profession. I'm a capitalist. Hello and welcome to Muller. She wrote on your host AG. And with me as always Julia Johnson. Hello and Jordan Coburn. Hello, welcome to the beginning of the end for Donald Trump and his nasty crotch fruit. Children. We have a massive episode today. Do you laughing at crotch route? Including an interview with Jennifer Taub. She was the professor that Jacob all ensure fire intelligence tried to reach out to get her to lie about Muller sexually harassing her. She's joining us today, and we also have law professor and CNN contributor Renato Mariotti Jalil, you're going to be talking about Trump's wonderful Washington Post interview. He's so articulate and Jordan you have some Nunez news Nunez news. And I'm going to cover the Manafort blowing up his plea deal this week. But I we have a correction from last week. I had mistakenly thought it was during the Mayflower meeting that Bettina asked Trump her question about sanctions that everyone thought sounded really rehearsed. You know, I think it's a coffin corn went over that and Russian roulette Bannon was like what the fuck did they practice this? Bannon says fuck lot was it. What what was it? What was she actually if not the may? Oh, it wasn't the Mayflower. It was freedom fast. Member of the prayer breakfast thing in Vegas a freedom fan and RA stuff. Yeah. So I I I want to welcome all of our new listeners. We got a ton this week. So welcome to militia wrote freedom fest. I'm going to do a lot of explaining of inside jokes in this in this episode because I feel like you you might listen to it. And you'd be like this is great for the news, but one of the Fokker beans, and why are we talking about freedom fasts so freedom fest was this prayer breakfast thing that's put on every annual every year. But we have insisted that you have to call it freedom fast. And it's in all capitals. Yes. So that's how that works. I think we also you might hear us talk about essential consultants or in central consulting. That's the slush fund that Cohen set up, and you have to say it like this. And we wrote a tagline for it to essential consulting is fucking essentially. Yeah, you might say that to anything else pops up. I'll try to try my best to stop and explain it. And I think puke. Hugh is that a part of freedom fest, or did I it makes it up is that because people there Pugh gun nuts or doozy's? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It sounds and lasers. But. Is there an NRA for lasers Oulu like a jar baiter type of? So she was one. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. When anyway, we have a lot of news to get to this week. So let's jump in with just the facts. All right guys, beginning way, back on Sunday sidebar blog picked a hell of a week to report that a judge in the Miller case in a Muller case upheld the legal theory that makes collusion of crime. According to Randall Eliason, it's true that there's no criminal statute, titled collusion, but the relevant crime is conspiracy under code US code title, eighteen section three seventy one which prohibits conspiracies to commit an offense against the United States in any manner for any purpose. And in the concord management case, that's one of the Russian entities. Indicted by Muller when he indicted all the Russians concord asserted that Muller can't charge under section three seventy one unless the prosecution can prove willful intent or willfulness. But the judge said, Nope, sorry, bro. The judge determined that. You don't have to do that meaning in order to be found guilty. The defendant does not have to have known about. The precise legal provisions they were violating. So while there's no statute called collusion it still crime. And that precedent is very important to the more investigation, especially considering all the news that came out this week. And we also know that Rosenstein in his redacted memo that outlined the scope of the investigation called them crimes of collusion. So I know that that's a big talking point for Trump when you collusion, and he's been using that word, and I think he's been using it because there's no statute called collusion. So that he can just come out and say collusion's not illegal. Well, it is. It's just different words. Boom. Little Benjamin witness tiny cannon, boom. Monday popadopoulos reported to jail want what we had said last week that we were one hundred percent certain that the judge would rule against popadopoulos motion to continue his bail. Meaning he wanted to stay out of jail until the Andrew Miller. Subpoena battle was decided the judge in fact denied his motion, and he's in jail and those popadopoulos beans I alluded to last week. Let's hear that clip. Also Wednesday Muller filed a motion to deny popadopoulos as motion to wait. Until the Miller case is decided before he reports to jail asserting that if the court finds Moeller's appointment to be unconstitutional pob, adopt thinks he shouldn't have to go to jail. The filing by Muller used popadopoulos his own tweets against him saying the reason he wants a continuance is because he feels the entire investigation has been very unfair to him Muller also points out that regardless of the outcome of the Miller case popadopoulos signed a waiver that he can't appeal and he lied to the FBI, and he's agreed to go to jail for it. So he's not even going to jail for collusion. He's going to jail because he lied to the FBI, and he agreed to go to jail. So Moeller's appointment has no bearing on his jail sentence. At all one hundred percent. Sure. The judge will deny popadopoulos his motion he'll have to report to jail tomorrow. Monday to serve his fourteen days. Also, keep your eyes peeled for a mega story coming. Out about popadopoulos this week. There's going to be huge pop it up beans, and I can't tell you anything about it. But I have a source to put some beans on it. Well beans, come true. No matter. I'd be. True. Natasha Bertrand in Scots deadman, both frequent guests on MSW reported in the Atlantic that Adam Schiff had received a letter saying popadopoulos had bragged of Russia business deals a Russian business deal. Even after the election, the FBI in the house intelligence committee are now investigating this letter sent from an anonymous source alleging a series of unsubstantiated claims, including the popadopoulos said he was going to do a business deal in Russia back in two thousand sixteen that would make a great deal of money for Trump and himself, which is interesting because now we have some news coming out a little bit later in the show about that Trump Tower deal with Seder and cone was in on it. We'll send out a picture that reducted letter in our newsletter this week that goes out to patrons. If you're not a patron, you wanna be you can become one at patriotair dot com slash MOS. She wrote, and if you're wondering why keep talking about beans. If your new episode twenty four explains this really, well, if you wanna go listen episode twenty four I was looking for a catchphrase like how Maddow says watch this space or someone might say put a pin in it. You know, and I didn't I couldn't think of a good one. So I remembered a bit that a comedian friend of mine used to names Dallas McLaughlin where he wanted. It was right around the time. Larry the cable guy came out in the whole blue collar comedy tour was going on. And Dallas was I bet all I need to do to get famous come up with a great catchphrase. So he started testing out catchphrases. Ironically, these aren't real right? They're meant to sound sound stupid. And one of them was put some beans on it. And so I asked him if I could have that. And he's like, yeah. So that's where that comes from. And thank you guys for just like going with a because it's taking a whole world of its own. Now, y'all ran with beans, we need to L Beena sponsor us. We'd butchers us. Go. Roya role that being footage? That's bush's. Right. And sometimes we'll say space beans or super-secret space beans, and that's because I've combined watch this space with put some beans on it. And it came out watch these space beans, so that's kind of where that comes from welcome to. Yeah. Try the beans. I think you'll find they're actually very fitting it really rolls off the tongue. It does beans put some beans on don't fight it because a couple people reach out and be like stop with the beans. But only a few most people love, it's like putting beans on black, you know, off. And so now, you know in this show from the very beginning. If you listen to the early episodes site about sound quality. We we talk about how I lay out facts in news reports. And then I say, and then this is conjecture, and I always want to make sure to separate my fears from what's actually being reported in the news. And so now sometimes put some beans on it has just been shortened beans. You know, exactly like if I come up with a theory, and I bet you like I did a week ago. The last year about Flynn's going to get dated beans and bam December. I wasn't a love it too. That's just kind of guessing and regular news organizations and outlets and journalists aren't supposed to do that. That's why I wanted to do a podcast. I can fuck and do it all day, whatever we want. Yeah. Whatever we want. But nothing crazy crazy. We aren't gonna collude with Russia fixing election anyway. So that's beans. Also, Monday, if you can remember that far back, I can't. So I take notes we found out Jerome Corsi decided he was going to reject a plea deal offered to him by special counsel special counsel. Bob Muller, he alleges that prosecutors asked him to commit a felony when they told him he didn't have to report the plea agreement to the financial industry regulatory authority or FINRA because the agreement would be under seal he said, he'd rather not he'd rather rot in jail than sign the deal because he says he didn't lie, but probably he's more worried about losing his secured. These license. I guess he said it was shocking to me because a special counsel was advising me to commit a felony. I felt like an American soldier in the Korean war being interrogated by the communist Chinese. Okay. All right. That's a bit of a stretch, Mr. Coursey. He's fucking insane. He's crazy. He's absolutely insane. That sounds a maybe you shouldn't call the people investigating you communist just as a start. That's probably a good place. And yeah. And then Coursey released a draft of his charging document given to him by Muller. He drafted up new said, here's what we're going to with. And here's what you'll get. And I have a theory as to why he did this which I'll get to in a second. But the charging documents said that Coursey told several lies to the grand jury, but was offered a deal where he'd plead guilty to one count of lying and an inex- change for that cooperation he would get no jail time. He'd be just given probation, and he wouldn't take it. The charging document was interesting. It said Coursey lied when he told the grand jury that. Stone never asked him to reach out to WikiLeaks. When he had. He also lied when he said he didn't reach out to a third party in London to ask WikiLeaks. What they had that third party was Ted Malik and Coursey did ask Malik to find out. What Assange had that was after we knew that the GRU had hacked, the DNC and the D Tripolsky, then he lied Corsi lied when he said he did not get back to stone telling him WikiLeaks had documents incriminating Hillary Rodham Clinton, and that they were going to release them in October of two thousand sixteen. He said he didn't do that turns out. He did tell stone and Muller had all the emails to prove it. So he's got documentary evidence. We also learned that Trump was mentioned by name in the draft document, saying stone, Trump were in communication and Washington Post report later in the week that stone and Trump would talk frequently by phone late late night into the wee hours. So Muller has this documentary evidence, and that stone and Trump talked a lot back then and stone ask Coursey to reach out to WikiLeaks to find out what the had which he did through Ted Malik and then reported back. To stone that they have dirt on HR see and they're going to release it in October. So why did Coursey released his draft plea agreement? Why do you make it public my theory and these theories, and this is conjecture is that he was communicating with Trump letting Trump no what Muller has and what he told the grand jury. In fact, I think and these are super spes beans, I think that Coursey stone Miller Manafort and Trump we're all communicating about what store they were gonna tell Muller in the grand jury. And and that's why the joint defense agreement was never cancelled. And I think that in return for lying. They don't get pardons. It's the only explanation for Coursey releasing that document and refusing deal where he we get no jail time or he's going to go full number, and he's just doing this as a phase a teenager acting out for a second. Yeah. I don't come back to more leg. I'm sorry. Mom. Yeah. Gonna come back. I think he's gonna go full Berg. And when we say that we this happened when Sam Nunn Berg went on did all the talk shows. Right. He goes around. He was high as fuck. Yeah. And I think Erin Burnett was like you smell like alcohol right now, sir, are you drunk? He's like, no. And I'm sure he was on coat but anyway. Hamlet comedians. I can tell when people around cocaine vide- picked up on this wonderful, beautiful lawyer who was also wanna show with him was like dude, you don't want to do this because you'll end up in prison, and you'll sit there until you tell the truth, and you could be there forever. And like, you could get charged with everything you've done wrong and also on top of it, obstruction of Justice and conspiracy to defraud the United States by making this deal and lying, and and that's when nutbag was like, oh, and he went to the grand jury his face when he when she said that he was really. Like, your lawyer fuck until then your lawyer, let you go on national television rivers publicises really needs to be fired as well. Oh, yeah. So that I I'm with Jordan. I think he's going to go number, and he'll be like, okay. Because he'll only probation Muller doesn't fuck around. Man. He he'll I will wreck your life or or you can go home. Yeah. Yeah. All of stones minions. Like, Andrew Miller. They have this false sense of confidence right now. But I think since that happened on Monday everything that happened falling Monday, which you know, we'll go over is probably putting even their brain. That was a horrible decision. Yeah. Yeah. And he and he still has time. And I I have a feeling Miller will give him that time member. When Muller pushed the Manafort sentencing back ten days, and we found out this week we found out why. Because he was about to blow up as plea deal. But I feel like Muller gives you time. Like, you Sherm he'll ask like a hundred times, dude, bro. Are you? Sure. This is the route you want to take because I know why you're doing it. And I have all the evidence, and you're gonna go to jail forever. And we'll talk a little bit about why I think Manafort doesn't care if he's in jail forever. We'll talk about that later. Manafort, don't give shit. You don't give a fuck. He's Honey badger him and Ellis judge. Another inside joke sort of right? Oh, yeah. We had Randall from Randall's animals. Do you guys? Remember, Honey, badger crazy Honey badger, don't give a shit look at him. Eat the snake gross. When we had him come on in narrate, the trial for manic Manafort, and it went beautifully. So he referred to judge Ellis's crazy ass judge Ellis. He's like Honey badger shit. So you might want to check out that I think that was the Manafort episode. Well, yeah. With Randall's animals, you should check that episode. It was pretty pretty funny. Still Monday, we learned that Representative good lot. The embattled chair of the House Judiciary committee said that it's really tough for government officials like Ivonne Trump to comply with agency standards for secure communications when sending emails he went. He went on to explain how I Wagner was doing what she could to comply. But there's a lot of different things that you have to make sure you're doing and whether it's a Cording to the rules of the White House or. Wherever you're doing. It is what he said. And this is from the chair of the committee that just subpoenaed coma. Lynch to question them about the handling of the Clinton Email investigation. Fuck outta hair. Good lot. Yeah. I know. I don't need to say this that I don't buy that reasoning. But considering that's the the one thing that your dad was saying locker up about maybe you shouldn't. Maybe that's the one thing you should have ice on that. You shouldn't also do, but she didn't elite them. No. She didn't delete them. It's not illegal. Okay. Whatever she won't go to jail. Neither should Hillary everyone shut up not you guys. But you know, everyone else about the damn Email. Tired of hearing about the damn emails. Oh my God. I was so funny. Everyone was like, yeah. Everybody clapped. He's like we could talk about something. He I swear to God. He was about to say fuck. Anger man adorable. All right, then Tuesday in in an interview Komi actually said about Whitaker. He might not be the sharpest knife in our drawer. But basically if he blocked shit and obstruct Justice, he'll he'll go down on the wrong side history. I'm paraphrasing the end of that. But that was a little interview Komi he's Bazeley referred to Whittaker as dumb ask. But not so much of a dumb ass that he would obstruct Justice and collude, you know, and conspire with the president seems like he's right so far to tamper with witnesses Also Tuesday, Red Devil Maria Boutin was moved to solitary confinement, November twenty first because she was giving away our lawyers phone number to another inmate assumingly. So he communicate on her behalf where it wouldn't be listened to like if he came and talked to her himself. So her lawyers argued that the solitary confinement is starting to have a profound psychological impact on her and unless a court intervenes. She will require the attention of a mental health professional, boo. Bucking who? So we are now hearing that she's close to a plea agreement. So keep that in mind as we head to the fantasy indictment league this week. And I do want to say, you know, while. I threw in that clip booth and who about her being in solitary confinement. I I I do want to say that I don't necessarily agree with solitary confinement for everyone. But if your first of all endanger, or you're trying to break the law wall inside prison or just for your own safety. Like, I said that that it's necessary. And and also she there's some people who are in jail that aren't not supposed to be in jail that are being put in solitary confinement. She's fucking supposed to be in jail. So move point still Tuesday. The guardian reported that the White House was blocking Gina hassle. The CIA director from joining the group that briefed the Senate on the murder of kashogi assumingly because she does believe there's evidence that Mohammed bone saw is connected directly to the murder. But instead palm peyot who we need a nickname for that guy Ellen Pompeo perhaps grazing that. No, there's no pom peyot. That's that guy. That's a tricky one him and Mattis brief to the Senate saying there was no direct evidence. No direct evidence. That NBS was involved in the murder directly. So house bowl traveled to Turkey following Kashoggi's, death and heard it on audio recording. She heard the murder the murder tape. And so how is this connected to the investigation. Well, we could play six degrees of Muller. Let's see the death of Kush. Oh, gee, by Muhammed bone saw who Trump is covering for because of the potential eighty billion dollar nuclear reactor deal brokered by Flynn who pleaded guilty in the more investigation. There you go. I've connected them cling. Those were super space beings. You should listen to our last episode if you're like what nuclear reactors. Oh, yeah. The Mayflower the Marshall plan. And and the fact that Trump is trying to help Saudi Arabia develop a nuclear bomb. That's last week's episode. You may have heard that because I feel like all our new listeners. Listen to that one. I, but if you haven't go check it out Also Tuesday, the civil trial against Jeffrey Epstein, what a wonderful. Guy that began in Palm Beach, Florida. We talked about Epstein with Scott Dworkin in one of our episodes back in July. Epstein was investigated by the FBI for pedophilia prostitution and trafficking human trafficking. The Miami Herald said it found almost eighty women he allegedly raped or molested or sexually abused over a five year period. Epstein is friends with Bill Clinton Prince Andrew. And of course, Donald Trump and Alan Dershowitz. And Donald Trump. He may or may not have coincidently owned a modeling agency around the time Stein was throwing his famous parties where he would bring underage models into entertain his guests. But there's a kicker in report this week from the herald it turns out, the US attorney in Florida gave Epstein the deal of a lifetime where he had had to. Let's see he pleaded to to counter prostitution, two counts and served thirteen months in jail, and it was a nice jail too. And he had to register as a sex offender, and he had to pay restitution and the US attorney gave him that sweetheart deal. And now that US attorney is Trump's secretary of labor. This week heart deal shut down the Stein investigation further granted immunity to any potential co conspirators in the case, even though the FBI had identified thirty six victims. So I hope to throw the book at him in the civil trial, and I'm very interested. If Trump or Clinton's or Dershowitz his name come up. I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah. So that'll be we'll follow that. We'll keep you posted. Finally on Tuesday, Mississippi elected, a known racist made of bridge trolls and cigarettes to the United States Senate. I guess they're mad. They're the forty-ninth where state and our gun for fifty so funny. Yeah. It's like she's a box of cigarettes that came to life. Yeah. Yes. Brought to life by bridge. Tolls. So then we can move to Wednesday when chin Lewis Mitch blocked a bipartisan Muller protection Bill again, saying again, how he doesn't see how Muller's in any trouble and they're busy doing important things. So I can't wait until he leaves the Senate even if it's feet. I I don't care. That's a joke. Don't ask me also from the Daily Beast on Wednesday. We learned that Roger stone. Jerome Corsi pushed the Seth rich lie after privately admitting. Hackers are actually the people who stole the DNC emails way back last year. Coursey told his info wars fans that the DNC staffer name Seth rich stole is one of stole some of those DNC emails, and then was murdered by Hillary Clinton with her bare hands in the basement of pizza parlor in Benghazi. I don't know stupid. Nobody did say Seth rich stole the emails because he was a disgruntled Bernie supporter and the HR put a hit out on him. That was a real conspiracy theory. They started and people talking believed in and now there's several emails from Coursey to stone in two thousand sixteen. We're Coursey said that of course, it was the hack. Who stole the emails so riches parents had begged Coursey and his allies to stop claiming their sons unsolved murder was an assassination. But of course, the ignored them and continued with crackpot theory. And now there's proof that the entire thing is baseless. So Richard parents have filed several lawsuits also good good. That's awful for them to do that to someone grieving. It's just so disgusting and Jenner and that there's people out there like rich murder look into that. You know, you're like, oh, the molar tweet something about the motorcade, and like what about Seth three g I remember how is that? Okay. So people subscribe to listen to that. Right. There's like a monetary element info forst to some degree. Obviously, I feel like that should be a case for fraud understand because these people come out, and they say, they don't believe the stuff that they pedal they'd probably site that lawsuit that says that you can be completely fictional on new shows like an entertainment source. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Also, Wednesday Trump put out new hatchback guidelines, even though six of his own staffers had complaints filed against them by the. Called citizens for responsibility and ethics in Washington or crew and the office of the special counsel, that's unrelated to office of the special counsel. Agreed. So while he and his employees violate the hatch act all day long in favor of Trump. Trump has now put out guidance that federal government employees are not allowed to talk about impeachment of Trump or the resistance during work hours. Now, the hatch act is always said that government employs we government employees can't advocate for oppose people running for political office while working. So there was no reason zero reason to specify that it can't be bad about Trump. And you may or may not know. But if you're new listener, I'm I'm a federal civil servant paid on the general schedule and I worked for Trump's executive branch about a year ago. Trump's office of special counsel, not the Muller one. But the other one foyer my employee records foia is a freedom of information act request. And the government would not tell me why. And this year knowing I'm unable to relocate. They could be moving my job out from under me. Technically, I record the podcast after working hours. So I should be able to say whatever I want. But I do use a pseudonym. And I don't talk about which branch I worked for or any specifics about it. And I don't talk about it much anymore. So I just I I don't wanna toe the line. But if you try to purge me for Haczek violations. There's a clear pattern that he only applies them to people who speak ill of him. And he does not hold accountable. Those violate the hatch by speaking ill of his political opponents and rules unfairly applied or rarely upheld in court. So watch the space beans because I'm not going down without fight. Finally wednesday. Trump threatened Democrats by saying he would release classified documents about them in one of his most of flagrant abuses of power to date, quote, if they wanna play tough, I would do it. He told the New York Post in an interview this week. How is it that he hates to fake news media, but he tells them shit like this. He's just crazy. If you clearly scared he's really just obviously skit he should be also this week that super-secret subpoena battle that's been going on in the district court. It's not the Andrew Miller subpoena battle that's a stone associate who's resisting his subpoena, and then asked the court to hold him in contempt. So he could argue the constitutionality of Muller's appointment. So it's not that one. But this is the one under seal that's running parallel with its long the same time line. So we're supposed to we were supposed to hear oral arguments in that case December fourteenth. But according to a new court filing, those hearings will take place in closed session. So it looks like we're not gonna find out who's fighting that Muller subpoena, just yet. But based on some. Tweets credit co put out this week. I no longer think it's him. He put out some really skating tweets against Trump this week. I wish it were Trump because I really feel like Muller at some point has to subpoena him to answer for obstruction of Justice. You have to do that interview. That can't be written test questions, you know. But I feel like that would have leaked. I mean, unless that's the one thing. Trump wouldn't want leaked. I don't know. What do you guys think? Yeah. I think is interesting about it when you think of controlled leaks, and if they're leaking the things they only want to and then not looking the things that don't want to. And maybe the fact that they're choosing to not leak something or the people that have been leaking things are choosing not league something is indicative of how big of a person it is. And I think that's kind of the the rumor that article you reported on a few episodes ago about the argument that maybe it was Trump that Trump was this person right which yes. So that I think those part of the theory, and there had have to remind myself and go read again, and then we had an article from MARCY Wheeler. Said I don't think it's Trump because it wasn't actually that being that expeditiously pushed through the courts, it was on the same timeline as the Miller. Thing went back and forth, really fast too. And so, you know, but the Miller was heard a couple of weeks ago and this one is December fourteenth it was actually taking longer than the Miller one. So I don't see that the the expeditious -ness of it or alacrity. I think is the word. They used is an issue that would make it Trump more than it would make it some house painter from Cleveland, which is what Andrew Miller is. Right. I have a question what we talk about leaks. These people that are leaking various things we never hear the follow through on who's getting prosecuted for the leaking. Why do you think that it's just keep it onto wraps intentionally or is just such low-level news compared to what's going on that we don't hear about it? I don't my best guess is that they don't have found out who did it. You know? So yes, the best guess that. I have one I'm still holding out for being Trump. I think that might be a little bit super space beans in too much wishful thinking, but if it's not him, I do think that someone else. That's very big inconsequential. I wish it was Trump. I'll say. That because I I'd love to see how that pans out legally and legally. I don't know. We'll see watch those beings. We'll be right back. Hey, more junkies. This is AG with me is Julius Johnson. And we got Jordan Coburn. And we wanna tell you about our experience with third love. First of all there's a perfect fitting brought for everyone in third love knows this. So we got to go on their website. And we got take their fit finder quiz, and it was amazing because it didn't just take your measurements or cups is like normal. But they asked about if you have a straps dig in or if you have spillage problems like what your usual problems with your bras that you usually get are. And then they also ask you about your type like what shape you are. And so I just thought that the fit finder quiz really super easy to use an kind of gave me a really great insight into how I've been shopping for bras wrong. This whole time, basically. 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It's so sad and embarrassing. He got all pouty. And then cancelled his press conference and said it was because Papa Bush died. Unlike other new shows, I'm not going to do a tribute on him, but he passed away. Anyhow, if Trumpy gets a moment to slow dance with pootie. I'll keep you posted. Did shoplift. The pootie this past Thursday Muller Cohen to plead guilty again, except this time Muller didn't hand it off to the southern district of New York because the stuff falls within the purview of the scope of his investigation as outlined by the road. The rod Rosenstein memo had mentioned earlier right crimes collusion back. In march. We reported the minority report released from the house intelligence committee dropped a bomb that there was a second Trump Tower being planned to bid built in Moscow. And during the two thousand sixteen campaign, all you know, and it was very prescient because they said it was still going on well into the campaign. But Cohen said, Nope, we stop talking about it in January and Trump was like, I have no deals. No deals with Russia. None. I never talked to them a hate them. He didn't you know? But whatever we've all known since as early as March that Trump was working on a second Trump Tower. We've all known this. If you've been listening to this listening to this podcast that was not the news e part of the Cohen guilty plea that came out. This week. But let's take a listen to that clip. The big news in that is that there is a second Trump Tower during the Trump campaign facilitated by Conan Seder financed by Bank sanctioned Russian Bank. So we're going to go into that going to pop up the tower. Yeah, Mosca, okay. Got it. So you remember how in twenty fourteen failed? We'll wait in twenty in two thousand fourteen they were both within Manca. But in two thousand fourteen he was doing the miss pad the Miss Universe pageant Goldstone and gallery off that he was going to do the tower with agalarov and that fell through because of the sanctions that Obama put in two thousand fourteen right? We'll year and a half later. He Seder and Cohen got together and started planning it again got it with a shell company and a Russian Bank sanctioned wild money while Trump is running for president saying America first. So no surprise us that Cohen was working on Trump Tower deal with Sater and vodka while the twenty sixteen election was still going on what's news here. At least to me is that Cohen is pleading guilty for lying to congress about when the Trump Tower deal stopped, and we all kind of figured that known was ever going to get in trouble for lying to congress. I mean think about how many people have have lied to congress. So far, we got sessions and junior Kushner and cavenaugh like so many people lied to congress, and we just figured that that rule had no teeth, and they were just kind of let it fly. Yeah. Yeah. When sessions perjured himself and nothing happened. I was like, oh, you mean, the highest lawyer of the land can get away with it. Okay. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. It's very surprising to me that there's no precedent set for forty on those cases. But as I will talk hunt note, I think that's about to change his here. Yes, I'm excited for that. Hot note to. Anyway, cones pleading guilty to this one count. Which means he's got all he's got a lot more. He can offer Muller. And they said that he went seven times as like seventy hours of testimony. He's didn't sign a traditional plea deal. It's more like a non-binding, well, not non-binding. But I'm telling you, everything I'll plead to what you want me to plead to we don't have to sign attritional pre agreement and usually people do that. Because it makes them look like a hero more of a hero than a guilty person. So could have been an optics thing or I'm sure. Muller would have had to sign off on why he wouldn't if he wanted to give a real solid plea agreement in there. He would have made it happen. But he didn't. So it's interesting. Yeah. Cohen definitely is taking that road though. I think of trying to be Heroux EQ and all of this. I sure he says some stuff that no zesty him to say. No, you're right about you know, oh, how how down Trump is going pretty quick one eighty. Yeah. And he's got a lot on him. And this time it's not about money or porn stars tax evasion. It's about Russia. Exactly twenty. He said he would take a bullet for Trump. And now he's the one that's like shooting off all league. Pupae freedom. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. We'll what it's amazing to me. Call me. But I thought lawyers were supposed to help you commit crimes. His lawyers hires to help him there. They're not only their fixers, they're setting shit up and doing it for them and making it possible. They're fixing it a very broad term. I've learned this year. Yeah. And so I'm I'm not sure where I put Cohen yet. I don't I don't know where I put him yet on the spectrum from a hold hero. Do you know what I'm saying Nadi sort of? Yeah. As much, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So they're both definitely dues bags a one's probably more heroic than the other for sure. Yeah. Joining us today to give us his perspective on Coen sentencing. Submission is former federal prosecutor host of the on topic podcast and regular contributor to CNN and MSW. Please. Welcome back Renato Mariotti Renato. Welcome back. Hey, thanks for having me on buck guest. Absolutely. We love having you on here your perspectives are so insightful. And I read your analysis of that sentencing document on Twitter, and I was hoping you could share your thoughts on what this document tells us. Sure, I think the most important thing that we can glean from it is some of the details that Cohen in his attorneys provided regarding the involvement of Trump's attorneys and White House staff in the crafting of his statements to congress which ultimately ended up being false. And you know, we're the subject of of his recent guilty play what they said in the submission was. That Cohen had been in regular consultation with Trump's attorneys and White House staff as us crafting that statement, you know, what the clear implication is. I think is that they knew that his testimony was false, and they at the very least didn't correct the record and potentially approved or or condoned him line to congress. And someway, he. Yeah. That was what was the most shocking to me at least there there were a lot of shocking. Details in here. But that one is is one that stood out because also late Thursday. We got word that Cohen had kept apprised of communications about the Trump Tower Moscow deal including lengthy and substantive conversations with the personal assistant to a top Kremlin official as late as June twenty sixteen. So I was wondering if you think those communications fit into that time line of the Trump Tower. Meeting with vessel sky. If you think they're connected at all because I feel like people are hinting that they are well to me, it's it's hard to tell I will say it's part of servant overall picture that many people have had in mind ever since they read that dossier, many many months ago in which I think the dossier talked about Trump getting benefits in the form of dirt on his opponents from Russians and that he was also trying to pursue business deals. You know, frankly, you know, those two episodes appear consistent with that. I think from a legal perspective, you know, there's there's more problems with the Trump Tower meeting than there are with the fact that Trump Tower was Trump Tower Moscow project was continuing into twenty sixteen. But obviously that ladder that. Ladder issue is an obviously has implications for our democracy, and and our country. Yeah. Agreed. And I've got a legal question for you. Because we got some news also saying that Trump had signalled he would pardon Cohen. If he stayed on message about the playmate, payoffs wouldn't fall would that funder witness tampering or obstruction of Justice. Do you know or do we just not have enough about it to to know, the the the the short answer is that a case like that is never is never come up before. Or someone was dangling pardon to someone in exchange for them offering false testimony. It would appear to be. Consistent, excuse me. What appear to be consistent with something like witness tampering where for example, if you are offering someone some other benefit right money or house or car something like that exchange for them to give, you know, false testimony or or undermine investigation in some way that we clearly be a crime. The the issue here is the pardon power is very very broad under the constitution. But here, you know, cure, of course, is not the exercise of the pardon power. That would be the issue. It would be offering it in exchange for potential wrongdoing. And it seems like I mean, just even just asking someone to change their testimony like Manafort did when he was out on bail that seems to me to be witness tampering. So adding something in it in exchange for that kind of seems like bribery to me, but yeah, the the pardon power. So. Oh broad. I'm just I'm really interested to see how that pans out. If there's a charge if it's brought. Depending on how this whole thing. Shakes out. It may never go to court, but I'm really interested to see how that would how that would work out. I will say that, you know, the main issue for a lot of this is how do you prove it? Okay. And that's really, you know, some, you know, a lot of the recent news that we've heard for example, the shenanigans between manafort's attorneys and Trump's attorneys. The the issue that was hinted at in this document that we're talking about. Now, you know, regarding what did White House staff or Trump lawyers tell Cohen, and what didn't they tell you know, all that can be very challenging to prove. And I think the issues here with pardons are similar in a lot of these conversations probably aren't written down. There may have been a lot of winking and nodding that was done in less. You have somebody who's part of those conversations who's willing to testify, you know, about their, you know, in in really, take responsibility and say this. Yeah, of course, it was understood that someone was going to lie. Yes. Of course. It was understood that this vague talk pardons really was meant to be in exchange for something it can be hard to prove. And I think that that is really, you know, the issue that you run into a lot of this stuff because it is unprecedented. And from reading the Coen document the picture, I think we receive from that is. That Cohen was reading the stuff in the newspapers about the potential pardons about the lies that the president was telling and he knew that he was supposed to stay on message. He knew you supposed to lie. He knew he was supposed to be you know, doing what the president wanted. If you wanted a pardon, but he does not allege specific quid pro quo type conversations. Yeah, I agree. It definitely very hard to prove and regardless of whether they talked about or dangled pardons for you know, covering up or staying on message about playing a pan off the playmates the crimes underneath the paying off of the playmates is still there. Whether you decided without you decided to talk about it or not. So it'll be interesting to see how that goes Renato. It's been really great having you on everybody check out. Your can we're where can we find your podcast? Sure. It's on apple podcasts at your Google play all the major podcast apps on topic with Renault to Mariotti awesome. It's been great talking to you again, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. Join us anytime. So since Cohen pleaded for lying to congress. It only makes sense to me that Muller is now looking into a vodka and junior for their roles in the Trump Tower deal. And I was wondering why Muller looking so hard into the Trump Tower Moscow deal it's not illegal to build a Moscow Trump Tower. It's not illegal to lie. The American people about it. And it's not really within his purview of Russia interference. Right. But it makes sense though, that he could use the fact that Avangard engineer lied to congress about it to get them to flip as well. In the fallout of the Coen plea deal. Everyone was wondering if Whitaker had approved that move. But according to Michael Schmidt of the New York Times, it seems Rosenstein is still overseeing the molar investigation, and everyone is like doing fist pumps. You can't see that. But according to the Washington Post Whitaker was notified of the Coen plea deal. But he was not asked permission. And he was just told we're doing this a couple of weeks ago. I had said that I'd be willing to bet and these were beans that Muller wasn't gonna fuck with Whittaker. He was just going to go around him and keep acting as though Rosenstein, we're still overseeing the probe because Whitaker was installed unconstitutionally. So now Muller is kind of daring Whitaker in this again, total conjecture I have heard no reports of this. But if feels like Muller's daring Wigger to raise a stink about it like Sumi, bro. Take me to court via complaint. I fucking dare. You pats on the head. That's cute. I school outfit. Just like, you know, when you're older sibling would hold your head, and you'd be swinging and they couldn't reach because your arms weren't long enough. That's what happening that's a perfect description or anything and Whitaker knows who lose that battle. You know, this is all conjecture. But it certainly makes sense in light of this week's reporting on Cohen deal. That would occur was notified not asked. And it didn't require his. Approval if he has any ounce of self awareness to he'll know that putting himself on the map in front of a special prosecutor is probably not the best idea because he's got his own sketchy past exactly I think he's learning all the evidence he has access to now that he's like, oh crap. They were right. You know, like he doesn't want to be the guy following hill. Yeah. And so think about all the people who've turned Trump down for a job, you wanna know why? Yeah. That's why. Yeah. Suck it on you masculine toilet. The BuzzFeed news. They dropped a bomb of a story saying that Putin was promised the fifty million dollar penthouse in the Moscow Trump Tower and Seder had said it was for marketing purposes, meaning it would be way easier to sell condos in Russia. If Putin lived in the building, this alone makes Trump compromise just this, and that's what Joyce Vance it set when she reminded us that Trump lied to the American people when he said that he had no business dealings going on with Russia when he had actually signed a letter of intent was actively working to build in Moscow, and while lying to the American public like I said is not a crime Putin knew he was lying to the American public immediately giving him leverage over the president of the United States, and we had emphasized this last July when shift told us about about this in the house intelligence committees minority report on Russian interference. We had said that he's like he's totally compromised now and not only is he compromise. Just by the fact that Putin knows he's not telling the truth. There's everything that lies below. The reason why he's not telling the truth. Exactly. Yeah. Because what kind of squid pro crow was going on there. Nuke new listeners squid pro crow is what we say. Instead of squid pro. Quid pro quo. Yeah, Jordan, you said by accident. One time intentionally when you said it was definitely by accident. But I will admit it significantly easier for me to remember things to animals in it. Yes. And so and it's really hard for me to say quid pro quo. Yeah, it's quid pro quo and somebody drew a little squid pro crow. It was a squid holding a sign that said black Crowes matter. Yeah. Because he's pro crow anyway, it was fantastic pneumonic devices for law students, right? From now on good procra-. Anyway, Also Thursday guys Deutsche Bank was rated in a probe stemming from the Panama papers, Panama papers. So just a note Justice Kennedy son worked for them. And I wouldn't be surprised if there was some sort of connection between Kennedy's retirement Kavanagh's bargain grounded in deutchebanks being the only financial institution wanted to give Trump any money after multiple bankruptcy is total conjecture SuperBeets anyway that same day, the alderman and Burke offices were closed, and they put Brown paper up over the windows, and they shuttered the whole new thing alderman Burke, worked on their tax attorneys worked on Trump's taxes for twelve years until a letter was issued by the firm last month announcing that they were breaking up with Trump's. And now they've been shattered. So I don't know what's going on. Yeah. But it, but it's fun. This mysterious Friday. We learned that Amy Berman judge Jackson, if you're nasty sent manafort's sentencing date from March fifth, but Weisselberg for molars office said they'd be ready to hand over the sentencing report, December seventh day that will go down. I can't compare those two things. But I'll be speaking to the implications of that of that deadline later on in the show. So we'll be right back. Hey Miller junkies. This is g and myself and Julie's Jordan just had the wonderful experience of going onto the sent bird website. That's sent S C N T bird dot com. And we got to pick out a couple of fragrances we subscribed. And it was so easy. And it's awesome. And here's why there's so many things so many things that are awesome about this. Because normally what happens is I go in to the store, and I buy a giant bottle perfume. It's nine million dollars. And then I have that one perfume all the time. And I'd takes me a long time to use it. And I'm married to that smell that scent, right? But I have like a lot of different moods. That I run around in daytime nighttime don't go into shows going on tour going to stay home and do nothing, but I still want to smell nice. 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And I think I was the only one that didn't get stuck with a crappy boyfriend I had like, McCabe and Komi and the executive producer. We get the table scraps. Take it beta bitches boyfriends. Triple b it's not just the Better Business Bureau. It's not better business for you. Nice. So you're going to go over the newness stuff and his shenanigans. But first Julie's some amazing details about an interview Trump gave to the Washington Post. You have idea when amazing is the word for it. I'm amazed on Tuesday. Trump said down for an interview with Oiseaux, and for some reason into to hold journalists to this interview, I guess when one became to overwhelm with nonsense. They would just tag team in the other brave men. So their names are Philip Rucker and Josh dossey. And I think the actually did a really good job. They seem to ask all the right questions. It's not their fault. They were talking to the world's or America's dumbest president it was like they were talking to like a racist wall. Like, he just he wasn't giving them anything. I guess Trump also builds emotional walls. So the interview covered the war in Afghanistan. Paul Manafort, the Mexican border will climate change the stock market Saudi Arabia, Putin and Matthew fucking Whittaker. So it covered all the hits. And at first Trump requested to speak off the record for most of his responses, but then he started to warm up. So when they asked Trump what he was willing to. Vote take from Mitch McConnell and the immigration fight. Trump said it's not a question to take or of to take from McConnell McConnell is a friend of mine we get along. Great. And then he went on this unrelated rans about the Mississippi razor just happened which ended with I know one thing for sure if she loses Albie blamed if she wins Albie, given no credit. That's the only thing. I know. But anyways, you guys want something to drink. He was really weird and random I'm guessing that was probably polonium t he was offering. When Trump was asked about climate change. He said one of the problems and a lot of people like myself, we have very high levels of intelligence, but we're not necessarily such believers just like that word for word. He said you look at our air in our water, and it's right now at a record clean, but when you look at China, and you look at parts of Asia. And when you look at South America, and when you look at many other places in this world, including Russia, including just many other places the air is incredibly dirty. I like fails to mention Flint. Yeah. Of all the places. Right. Just right here. So basically, he's a bumbling idiot. And on the topic of California fires Trump doubled down on his raking theory, saying you go to other places where they have denser trees, it's more dense where the trees are more flammable. They don't have forest fires like this because they maintain you need force management, and they don't have it. He's like a stupid smokey bear. Right. Like, the dense happens. Yeah. Don't believe in science Trump and trying to talk about it exam. Actually, he tries so hard as far as the economy in the closing of the GM factory. He said, my gut tells me more sometimes than anybody else's brain can ever tell me which hit him is is Trump. Right. That's the quote that should be on his tombstone. He always says that to my generals are stupid. I know more than my generals like more than. Genitals. Yeah. Wow. That's so truthful. It's just that sums it up. He said, my gut tells me more sometime sometimes than anybody else's brain can okay on the telepathy is not a real thing. Yeah. Exactly. On the topic of Saudi Arabia. Trump basically said I'm going to keep taking Saudi Arabia's blood money. Because if I don't somebody else like China Russia will take it. Instead, that's paraphrasing, of course, and regarding Putin attack, attacking Ukraine, Trump momentarily, disavowed it and then immediately pivoted towards NATO for some reason. And finally when he was asked about Matthew fucking Whitaker. Trump said we don't talk very much. I mean, I haven't spoken to Matvey much. I put them there. But we speak really very little the Mueller investigation is what it is. It just goes on and on and on what an interesting ending their his what it is. It is a song. Yeah. It is. What goes on and on? Our theme song. Yeah. No. He he really didn't have much many cohesive thoughts in this interview. But I guess we learned some interesting things. I mean in terms of Jesus, I don't know though, the whole comment that really struck me was that the gut thing. But I guess that's nothing to learn. It's just a he we learned that Trump repeats himself. All the time. Basically, we learned that he doesn't have a Broadway cabbie. Larry. He just interviews or not a good idea for him there. Entertaining for us. But every time he has won. It just gets more and more. Disturbing is interesting that he sat down with Washington Post. I mean that's owned by basis. Right. Who he hates who else owns Amazon, and he was trying to get the postal service to up their shipping costs, which is again and abuse of power. But he press you pressured the postmaster general's do that we reported on that couple months ago. So I don't get why he sat down he's like all just fake news. But I'll have an interview I wonder maybe this was before the the Coens. Situation drop too. So I wonder if maybe he was like, oh, everything's fine. Right. And then suddenly he's like I shouldn't. Yeah. And then at the Christmas tree lighting looks down at his phone, flips out leaves depress leaves the whole press corps there that had to have been that Cohen stuff. I don't know. Yeah. So this is the calm before the storm here. Yeah. Totally well, go get is. Yeah. Jerry calls. That's great. That guy puck. All right. Well, what's up noon as land? Yeah. So Nunez in just the house intelligence committee Generali's GOP leadership. There isn't a bit of trouble now. Because interesting this is irresponsible piggybacking journalism because I totally forgot what news agency, but the south, but it's not a major one. So I'll find it. And we tweet about it put it in the newsletters. But they had this great explanation of how they screw themselves over so much because when they were conducting all of their investigations and questioning all their witnesses. They were trying to eight in a bed Trump and his efforts to conceal his crimes. And so they were encouraging their witnesses essentially to answer questions in a way that would cover up for Donald Trump, which now we know in hindsight is certifiably lies. And now they're in a position where leadership is switched over as we know. And now, they are basically they dug themselves. Nice hold that the Democrats get to come in and start referring all of these lying instances to molar. They knew this was coming. They knew that, you know, maybe. Didn't know how badly they were going to get their asses kicked. But they knew that they were gonna lose the house. So it's amazing to me that and I don't know that they actually went to these guys and encourage them to lie. But what I think what they certainly did was as they ask questions and then ask no follow up question right in questioning was very leading. Yeah. To xactly. Yeah. Leading right to the explanations that Trump has been given has been giving I should say and newness so swallow our boy swells. He he's P one on national television called Nunez out saying that he knows that Nunez is holding the transcripts of these interviews in an attempt to slow down the process of these people becoming, you know, a reminder, I guess a reminder to to their their committee their newly elected leadership and the way I can expect. What's interesting is that it's unprecedented to refer like we talked about to refer cases of perjury and lying oath to congress to a special prosecutor, pose my mind, why that is. A precedent? I don't understand why it's not a thing to do that. But now, especially after what happened with Cohen. And that it came out that he's lied to both house and Senate committees. Demolition, Dan, right? That L let seems like he's charging Muller's charging people with stuff that you don't normally charge people with but our laws leg, I feel like one of. And we'll find out when Flynn gets sentenced that I think Flynn is going to be charged with violating the Logan act which hasn't been fucking charged on anybody for, you know, a hundred years, but I think that was maybe one of the things where he's like plead guilty the Logan act, and all you know, we'll set you up. But you gotta tell me everything. Like, I feel like that's something. He would do. Yeah. Because I'm I remember we talked about Mcgann the White House counsel, googling the Logan Logan and googling. What the, you know, the consequences relying to congress are win. Sally Yates came to the White House and told him, you know, your boy Flynn, not very forthcoming to the FBI. And then she was mysteriously fired. You know, what I like about? That segment would swallow coming out is that now I thought of a new phrase for him swallows to the wall. Oh, skeets key. Yeah. When he comes out, and he comes swinging small the wall windows to this walls. Yeah. Yeah. From the windows to the swamp. So the windows in jail down. Yeah. Let's not talk about that. Yeah. Not to white for wrapping for me for myself. Although drop him a mix tape this week's O M C C H E boyfriend did say the first time you met you rapping a parking lot. Yeah. Yeah. I heard the same story from my other friend infamous or famous, I guess. Yeah. Freestyle pretty well. We'll have to do that. As a mini set become a patriot. So. My actually really do. So pretty much. Yeah. What's happening in the house? Now is they showed their own seeds of destruction by leading these tests testimonies into perjury, basically. And now, that's that's what's going on in the house. What's going on in the Senate, which as we still know is under Republican leadership? They are now their hand has been forced now because of what's come out about Cohen. So they are saying that not even cones Pacific. They actually said they didn't refer the case to Cohen or to Muller Muller came to them and said, give us what you got basically. And then no issues they just handed it right over to Miller. But what they did say that they're doing is. They're beginning to go through and refer those cases of perjury to Muller and they yet. So that's that's very nice that they're doing that. I've always said that the Senate committees are way more trustworthy than the house committees. Yeah. Under Republican leader. Yeah. And I like this quote from Richard Burr, he's a chairman of that committee. He's as we have made referrals from our committee to special. For prosecution in a lot of those cases. Those might be tied to lie to us. Those might be in a lot of cases, they might be maybe which I think means a lot of them are titling to them. And then he also has has a great quote in here talking about he says, we're certainly not scared to refer something that we believe is criminal and line to congress is right at the top of that good. My message was if you lie to us we're going to catch you, and we're going to prosecute you prosecute. You prosecutes interesting. Such a good quote affected up, and we're going to prosecute you period. End of sentence in case, you didn't own a period was I would say he said he says end to end a sentence sentence. Yeah. So I love that. That's great gives me a lot of faith. I mean, like I said their hand is totally been pushed. It's like, what are you gonna do run from the fact that code is very publicly said that he lied. It's like, yeah. Are you going to withhold documents from special counsel? It's actually and if they're doing it to Cohen they've got to go through and do it to the other people to to over two hundred people, by the way since January twenty seventeen not know that over two hundred shoes. God. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty fun. Yeah. Burs the guy who said that it's going to take them at least six months to write up their report. And so this isn't I mean, this is going to keep going for wo well under twenty nineteen at least on the Senate Judiciary shooting until side. Yeah. So we'll see how that comes out. So the house and the Senate even though they're under different leadership. I think they're coming together on this. They're going to start taking people down the path of Justice as they should have been which would be very satisfying for all of us that have. I mean, we have perjury right in the intro to our podcast Jeff Sessions, all these people. They got a serpent held accountable. Absolutely. It's been. A long time. Yup. And then I wanna end this. 'cause I love I love Hatem Schiff. He said he specifically calls out Roger stone saying that Trump adviser Roger stone. Someone who is said miniature said are far from truthful to us, which is nice like that. Yeah. Well, that'll come out stone too. I think. And right now, as we speak Muller could be pressuring stone to flip too. Yeah. And but but I as far as I know stone hasn't talked to to the grand jury stones a pure target. And he might not be interested in getting him to flip. Yeah. Far from the truth as far as North Pole. He lives it's like operating has had a little again. Those phrases the truth yet very far. All right. So as it turns out, I wanna talk about Manafort because Cohen was not the money shot this week. Even though I'm sure he thinks he is anyhow last week. I put some means on a major prediction saying that the Muller order of operations was that first Trump would have to turn in his answers. Then Muller could indict stone. And then we get a Manafort sentencing document on Monday, and I told everyone that Muller may not spell out manafort's crimes on Monday. And that he may just say, quote, we recommend move moving to sentencing, basically without saying anything about the crimes because he could need more time or because Whitaker might block the indictments. Well, that's pretty much. How it went down Muller? Ask for ten more days in the Manafort case saying that if the court would just wait he would be able to give them better and more complete information about his cooperation, and he did that on the sixteenth. And he moved it back to the twenty sixth which was this past Monday. And then Monday, we all thought Muller was either going to indict stone and all of his collaborators. And then outline all of manafort's crimes something, but something really strange happened Muller. Did in fact, tell the court that we should just move to sentencing, and he did not outline all of manafort's crimes. Even though he now has Trump's answers about collusion and could indict stone and the rest, but not only did Muller manafort's lawyers recommend they move to sentencing. But he also told the world that Manafort was backing out of his plea deal. He blew it up. It turns out that not only did Muller. Need more time to prepare the stone indictments? But likely because I don't know course, he also blew up his plea deal. But the ten day delay was actually give Manafort one last chance to not ruin his home tire life. We knew from reporting a couple of weeks ago that Manafort, the metaphor talks were breaking down. Thanks to ABC who reported that the metaphor plea deal was in jeopardy. So we really should have seen this coming especially knowing that a Manafort probably never intended to cooperate and only did. So to share information. With the Trump legal team and avoid himself and his family being an enemy of the Kremlin. And be that Manafort is a huge piece of shit. But in my opinion, Muller never needed Manafort because he had destroyed his credibility as a witness already by obstructing Justice when he suborned a witness causing Amy Berman judge Jackson, if you're nasty to revoke his bail. So his cooperation was likely only meant to give special potential special counsel potential leads in the case, given the jury in the Virginia trial didn't believe gates. There's no way any prosecutors in this case, we're going to rely on Manafort as a credible witness anyway. So I'm sure Muller had no problem like cutting them loose and telling Manafort to kick rocks and just recommend the court for it was asking jail, basically go right to sentencing, but not only will he be sentenced for the crimes. He's already pleaded guilty to he could face new charges, including the ten felonies that were dismissed without prejudice by crazy Honey, badger judge Ellis from his first trial. But also new crimes we haven't seen yet. Because muller. Was keeping his collusion cards close to his chest. Right. If you remember one of my biggest hills of beans that I've been, you know, fear rising on for a long time was that by cooperating Manafort was avoiding being charged with superseding indictments for crimes of collusion. And since the spring, I've been tracking all the clues that Manafort was facing additional charges and in Twenty-three way back in the spring. I laid them all out the first clue was Muller's filing. That included the reducted Rosenstein memo outlining the scope of the investigation, we saw that for the first time in the spring, and it said that Manafort could be invested for investigated for crimes of collusion. Then there was the Manafort minute order filed by judge Jackson, if you're nasty stating that Manafort was challenging the appointment of Muller and was seeking relief from current and future crimes. And then there was the metaphor warrants. From that friendly. No knock for am raid that showed that five of his mobile phones where seized in March indicating that not only was he still under investigation for a future crimes, but and that's like beyond the money laundering and tax fraud charges. He was already facing. But the Muller was tracking his movements by investigating those cell phones, which could have included corroborating the public reporting of manafort's meetings with Kalinic, for example. Then there was the Miller filing reminding everyone that vendors wan was under a foia waiver because he had sensitive information about opening ongoing investigations involving Manafort. And then finally there was the time. The judge ruled that Manafort warrants could or sorry, they would have to remain redacted because they contained quote information, that's not part of the current prosecutions involving Manafort, unquote. And now that I think about it actually I can't help but wonder if Manafort was trying to release those warrants to the public, so he could communicate that information to the. Trump legal team much like Coursey has released his draft plea agreement to the press in what I believe is an effort to signal Trump that he'd kept his story straight and to please pardon him. Especially in light of the reporting that came out this week that his lawyers were in communication with Trump's lawyers manafort's lawyers were after he signed his plea agreement after all they remained in the joint defense agreement which we thought was really strange at the time. If you recall, we had talked about the joint defense agreement because dissolving it seemed to be the clue the big clue that someone was flipping. And so we were you know, they were talking about Manafort being in talks about a plea agreement and we were waiting for that dissolution of the joint defense agreement. That's how we do gates and Cohen and Flynn were going to flip because right before the news dropped on them. It was publicly reported the each of them had backed out of their joint defense agreements with Trump's legal team. And it's it's not illegal to remain in one. But it does present ethical in licensor problems for the lawyers if they continue to communicate with somebody their ratting out. Not to mention, but I think that's why Trump leaked his own answers to Muller's written questions on collusion. So he could signal to Manafort stone Coursey, and everyone what he had told him alert. So that they could all make sure they kept their story straighten. We're singing off the same sheet of music, and that proves that there was conspiracy to light a special counsel. But that's incredibly hard to prove as Rinaldo was telling us earlier, but proving obstruction of witness tampering doesn't belittle the underlying crimes meaning that, regardless of whether or not Muller has proof. They all work together to lie to prosecutors. They all still violated US code eighteen section three seventy one in their attempt to collude with Russia to fix the election. So the underlying crimes are still there. And now, we know that you don't have to complete the crimes or even be aware of them in order to be found guilty of conspiracy. Because of the ruling in the concord management case that I mentioned earlier, of course, Trump did come out this week and say he's not taking a pardon off the table. So it might. Not actually be that hard for Muller to prove corrupt intent in these obstruction charges. But either way the audacity is amazing. I mean, at least Nixon tried to hide his crimes, but here we have an administration publicly announcing that they're dangling pardons and sharing their testimony with the public. So everyone involved can know what they're supposed to say Muller. There's another theory out there that Muller pushed back the stone indictments because he was waiting for the final Mississippi Senate race to be finished thereby honoring that unwritten Justice department policy prohibiting movement on the investigation until after the election or so as not to interfere publicly with an election or influence at all we learned this past Friday that Manafort will be sentenced on March fifth, but that the sentencing report outlining all of his crimes and lies, quote, unquote. That's what it said in the document will happen on December seventh. So that sets the countdown clock for us by December seventh oh, indictments touch Manafort will be unsealed including his. Own superseding indictments and the felonies committed by stone Assange Coursey, WikiLeaks boil at all all those guys or in order to avoid making public all the criminal conspiracies involving Manafort and stone Muller could file that December seventh manafort's sentencing report under seal so while Cohen pleading guilty and avoiding traditional plea agreement to seem more like a hero unless like a giant piece of shit. That is big news. But we've been following superseding indictments on Manafort for crimes of collusion all year, and that could be spelled out for us on or by December seventh. Yeah. Also, if I'm at this little thing, I've been thinking about as we're getting closer and closer to people actually getting sentenced and more and more people are getting sentenced, I think preemptively I'm trying to prepare myself for the letdown. That is I don't think I'm going to feel huge catharsis when these people are sentenced because the reality is what they've done is already done. And that damage is here, and it's still. Acting democracy, and we don't even like talking about the nuclear reactors. There's so many different things that have such sweeping implications. And especially people like manna for who were just basically going as far as they couldn't till they just get put in jail, and that's a safe place for them. It's like, I don't think it's going to be very cathartic aside from the fact that Justice is, you know, be there. It's not at all like closing up any sort of you know, it's not closure. Really the hope for me is that the rest of the world is not judging the American people for the actions of this guy, and that they're kind of like waiting there like just have to wait this shit out. And then we can go back to all being have our allies. We are allies on our adversaries be our adversaries of there's nothing wrong with diplomacy, but collusion and conspiracy and money laundering, and the grand bargain Steph Abramson calls it if you don't follow. Everyone's we should you should follow him on Twitter. His threads are incredible. And he's got that new book proof of collusion. Anyway. We'll see what having. We're going to see what happens release soon. Even if it's even if it's more hurry up, and wait, so more new laws. I do hope that we get new laws out of this that might put bridge that gap. You're talking Watergate where we started restricting the executive power. And I think that that will definitely happen, especially when we take back the Senate. Yeah. When he twenty. All right, guys. We'll be right back. Hey Miller junkies. It's time for the twelve days of Muller each day. We'll be tweeting and Instagram discount codes for items online store, like mugs, tumblers, t shirts and hoodies. They all make great gifts so had to molar. She wrote dot com and click on shop and find the discount code on Instagram and Twitter at Muller. She wrote please keep in mind that you need to order by December eighth to get delivery guaranteed by Christmas in the United States. And you can give us the best gift of all by subscribing on apple podcast, Google play. And leaving us a rating. Thanks so much for supporting women in media and women in podcasting. All right. It's time for the fantasy indictment league. The and. Oh my God. You guys there's just not enough spots on the team for all the indictments that are coming. I think conjecture if you had Cohen on your team this week you get points for that job. You can play by becoming a patriot patriot dot com slash militia wrote. And then joining our friends of Justice Facebook page, I took off my team last week because I stack my roster with stone associates because I was so sure those indictments we're going to drop I head of the Manafort hearing, but he just pushed it back and blew up his plea deal. Fucked up my life Manafort, you get what you deserve. Yeah. You're the victim. I am. And I wanna keep as many of those guys on my team this week. But in light of the Manafort deal blowing up I have to draft Manafort again for superseding indictments and those ten charges that Ellis dismissed without prejudice. But I have to keep stone Assange and Coursey. And I I think course, he's going to cave. Like, we talked about Jordan. I think he's going full numbered. So I'm going to say plea agreement for Coursey now last week. I said you could add a plea agreement to an indictment for extra points. But we can't do that anymore. Because a plea agreement is in lieu of indictment. It's not an indictment, and it's either one or the other. So you have to call a plea agreement to get the points. So that means I have Manafort stone. Of course, he plea agreement Assange, and I gotta put junior on there for the point value because he's twenty points. Yeah. It's huge about you guys. Yeah. That's a really like when you go. I I always feel crappy for my picks this that's the best right there. I will stay say that I do on a stick by Rando. I know it's low, but I'm just hopeful that there's always gonna be that little surprise. So I'm gonna do Rando Coursey Kush and Manafort, of course, and then I believe I had stone. So yeah, I'm sticking with most of them. All right. There you go. That sounds good. You're five what about you? Yeah. I am also according to do on Coursey, I think he's going to cave. So, of course, you plead deal stone assigns. Manafort for the superseding diamonds is it separate if he gets retried for ten and then also superseding indictment says far our league as is concerned are keeping those together unless he's indicted in two separate charges on different days. Interesting all right or indifferent weeks. I should say okay wall came together because it's one week. So that's and then let's throw on. Credit co agreement so you agreement for credit coat. Knows. Now, did you want do, of course, the indictment or course, he plead green the plea? All right. You guys ready for sabotage. Yes. All right. So some crazy beans came through this week way back in forty four first week of September. I dropped a story I called this week in what the fuck it was about Malaysian financier. His name was Jolo who laundered tens of millions of dollars stolen from the one MD, and that's a patch fund in Malaysia big Bank. They robbed it blind. And they use some of that money to pay US attorneys, including Chris Christie who was ripping him on some asset forfeiture shit in California and Kasowitz is repping him on department of Justice matters, as you know, Kasowitz the lawyer that Kamala Harris was questioning Kavanagh about asking if he ever talked with anyone from kavkaz. What's his firm about the Muller investigation? And Chris Christie is a human toured farm. The what the fuck part was that Brady was working with Jolo and was introduced to him by pros. Michelle one of the founding members of now defunct hip hop band. The Fuji's remember the Fuji's. Oh, never forget never forget. Nash, tag Fujii's. We'll this week an associate helping Jolo launder money named Higginbotham who used to work at the Justice department. He pleaded guilty and he's now cooperating to help them launder money. And as it turns out Jolo did launder the money and Brody and the Fujii's helped him do it. So I really wanna add Brady and prod Machel to my team. But I think that since the Manafort sentencing document is due December seventh unless it's filed under seal we're going to see those indictments stone indictments, and those Manafort charges, and who knows how long that Brody investigation could take take a little while longer. So I don't know what do you guys? Do. You wanna take Brady Fujii's do is the food like Rando because I could work out for me because we've named them. You're right. You're right. Okay. Unless you want to unless you wanna replace your Rando with the Fuji's, I'm going to do it. No, not all the food is Lauryn hills. Fine. Yeah. Lawrence great. Yeah. I'm gonna put the insane clown posse on because I'm pretty sure that's what Jolo is part of. Jolo? Sorry. Sorry gigolo. That's right. That's what they're called. Juggle. Juggle jam Joe Gallo job a job. Oh. Drinks Fago, please. No emails. I'm so sorry of offending juggle. Oh, I guess I don't know. Yeah. You never know. No offense, making fun of his Jolo of so sorry. I'm sorry because I don't bother jaylo. But Jolo, I'm fucking comb firm. Yeah. Like that creative like replaced all of Jlo's roles in movies made Manhattan Jolo instead of the wedding planner Malaysian in Manhattan. Yeah. Malaysian. Just like a grad student's thesis on gender, norms and media. Yeah. That'd be great a treason planner, and that's not really. Anybody have good video skills and a lot of free time. Do do do a movie trailer for me for Malaysia to Manhattan with Jolo? Instead of jaylo careful, though, you'll get emails I can already see flowing in and it will make sense to anybody. But me, but anyway, no, I'm not changing my fantasy at okay? Okay. Okay. But yeah, the other guy the other Malaysian that we remember when we got the we got the two hundred and fifty million dollar yacht seized pretty much paid for the whole kit and caboodle that guy was part of the group that stole all that money from from Malaysia interesting militias, always hitting the short end of this. I keep thinking about that plane for image three seventy that was shot down by Putin. And don't know if there's any connection. Yep. I always wonder why they're getting so screwed over. Maybe he was mad because these financiers didn't give him any other money or didn't use them to launder the money. They bought movies. Instead like that one guy funded the wool Wall Street and bought a castle for of decapa or something like the weirdest ways to launder money and all that shit was. Seized. So interesting. Yeah. I mean that is speechless right to say, yes is really it's weird. The food are involved ice cubes involved. This thing is we might be involved someday. We'll. He's just a motherfucker there. Yes. You're very true by his own words, but I expect it Corman the White House at all times, you must have decorum in the way, Jim Mukasa. You didn't have decorum. You didn't do the decorum ridiculous. And when you don't do combs yet, motherfuckers that are hugging. President. So great today on the interview, I'm joined by law. Professor advocate, author of the financial crisis book other people's houses. And she's one of the women that Jacob will ensure fire intelligence contacted in an attempt to falsely accused Bob Muller of sexual misconduct. The police welcome Jennifer tob, Jennifer, thanks for being on MSW. Thanks for inviting me, sue Hayman. How about that? Michael Cohen, he keeps pleading guilty is he is he is a hero. Or is. He just criminal. I think a person can be a criminal and then become a hero. And I think he's the John dean of stupid. Watergate, you do you think is the John dean. I was thinking Mcgann is like the John dean. Well, maybe this time will have many John dean's. But so far so far. I really do think Michael Cohen is the gift who keeps on giving. And if you if you look at the the plea deal fr. Thursday as well as the late night filing by his lawyers from Friday, you can really see some hidden gems in here as to why what he's doing here is kind of bulletproof. How how do you? How do you mean bulletproof? Okay. Well, one of the we can talk a bit about I maybe the substance of what he's what he's pleading to. And then maybe also the bulletproof stuff on let me flip it around, though, one of the biggest fears that people have is that somehow no matter what Muller fines, no matter what the grand jury discovers whoever they indict. There's this fear that many of us have that Trump will just pardon everybody. Right. I mean that seems to be the concern. So there's this kind of double concern, I he'll pardon his friends family and others. So that they will either not. Turn on him. But also, sell they'll get away with whatever crimes are discovered. But there's also this concern that Robert Muller will likely follow the department of Justice five lines not indict a sitting president for federal crimes. And so this is thing that kind of is kind of simmering on the back burner throughout everyone enthusiastically following Muller's progress. So here's what makes it what just happened. What Michael cones plea makes it especially bulletproof is as follows right in the on this this filing from his lawyers from Friday night. The sentencing memo is some interesting details and for those following along at home. It's just on page two. So you don't have to even get very far into this thirty plus page document. What says that Michael Kohn has been very, very helpful. He has actually. Really not just met with federal prosecutors, but he has met with representatives of the New York state office of the attorney general. Okay. So this is huge. That's Barbara Underwood. That's Barbara Underwood's office. Yeah. Yeah. It's Barbra Underwood's office soon to be Tisch James office. When she sworn in in January, and what's exciting for me about just a few sentences on page. Two is Michael Kohn is appears to be cooperating not just one not just two but actually three separate matters being investigated by the attorney general's office. Now, let's keep in mind. Some of one of these at this moment appears to be a civil case, but it could take on criminal dimensions entirely clear. What what the other two matters are. So when I look at this. What what I what I would say. Say is it may just be one other mattered because there's a statement saying he's also provided the new York Attorney General with documents concerning a separate inquiry. And then there's also some discussion about the department of taxation, and finance, and that could just be as far as we know hid talking about his own failure to pay taxes as part of his his earlier plea, but that's also helpful could be helpful in the investigation of failure for Donald Trump to pay taxes, the expose either leave the experts from the New York Times. So here's what's key. And what makes Michael cones plea deal, especially good here is that the president of the United States is I think you now in many listeners now does not have pardon power over state crimes. So right. And also an my correct in somewhere, I read or I learned or it's in my head. Like Trump right now. But I heard on the internet of that. If if you that tax crimes aren't subject to double jeopardy laws. So even though New York, how's this sort of double jeopardy thing that they're trying to you know, I think that. Schneiderman? And then Barbara Underwood were trying to get a an exemption for this kind of situation a presidential pardon. They do have that double jeopardy law in place still, but that tax crimes aren't subject to that law. Well, here's the thing. If you wanna talk about double jeopardy conduct about this the actual offenses in New York. The double jeopardy situation is a little tricky now because as you may know, the supreme court is now hearing a case on this very topic. So eat the gamble gamble vs. The US case. Yes, right. I feel like it's not as prohibitive because I mean, well, first of all gamble went to jail, and I think the timing is important because of Trump pardons any of these guys before they go to jail, they there could be that argument that it's not the same. It's not it doesn't fall under the gamble umbrella precedent. Yes. It's a gamble. It's a gamble case. And said the supreme court is looking at whether the prohibition and the fifth amendment against putting someone twice twice in jeopardy for for the same offence. They're looking at at this to decide whether is it the given the same offense if a state. Authority is prosecuting someone for a crime rising out of the same set of facts that a federal authority has prosecuted them for so currently under the dual sovereigns doctrine, which has been in place since the mid nineteenth century states. Can go ahead and prosecute for the same crimes of the federal government does crimes arising the same actions. Right. And the states can do that. And so can the federal government and they've considered to be separate sovereigns. In the words. Same offence means it's a concept of the offense being against the state, right? The victim, you know, that when the state people versus defendant or US versus defendant, the idea is that the state or the federal government is vindicating some kind of wrong, and that that the offense is the offense against, you know, the the body politics. So that's been the doctrine for a very very long time. And it's possible that the supreme court could. Reverse that and come up with a different theory, and and not allow and treat as double jeopardy. That would only cheat a deputy. Estate trying to prosecute for the same crimes of the federal government debt. But even if that happened, even if the court did that it's not really. It's. I don't see that as somehow protecting the folks who are being looked at in state court in in. Okay. So the not kind of falls out of the purview of rising from the same facts. Let's go back to what you said if you don't pay state taxes, and let's say it's a crime right using that as an example, not paying your state taxes is a different act than for example, not paying your federal taxes. Right. So it's not just the entity. It's the executives which I think sometimes has more teeth. At least that's my understanding of it. But I mean, this could just be this could be all linked to the payoff of Karen McDougal, for example, because I think that that might have gone through. Yes. Exactly exactly in similarly that the key thing that's exciting about this this document act page to that I'm excited about is that it says a cone spin cooperating in meeting with the New York AG regarding this this lawsuit that Underwood the G brought against the Trump foundation. That's his charity and also against the directors of that foundation that clues Donald Trump himself as well as his three eldest children. Oh, right. That wasn't the foundation. It was the organization and the foundation is the one like they were just taking all this money that was donated to charity and using spending it on campaign stuff. Actually, I think the if I recall correctly that the the the payoffs of McDougal, and and the payoff stormy Daniels did not the the didn't involve the charity it and personal the the allegations in the Underwood complaint is that yes, they were using money that was given to this charity for Trump's personal expenses for campaign expenses. It also to settle certain debts that his businesses had. And that's that's not okay under under state law. So again, let me just point out on state businesses. Whether it's a for profit corporation or nonprofit corporation, they're always organized under the law of a given state in. So even if Trump wanted to sort of preemptively, pardon his children, and maybe even himself for any crimes. Arising out of what he might have done involving this charity. It's not gonna work because there are state crimes. You know that these are state crimes that are being I'm sorry. The in this case are not crime shot. These are civil civil violations that are being alleged. But let's imagine that some of these rose to the level state crimes. Just don't see these as being the same kind of fence. I don't see there being a an analogous federal offense. So again, I realize I'm getting way into the into the weeds here, but it's it's very exciting. Because it seems to me that you can find a lot in these documents to to. To have a little hope that no one is above the law into the extent that Trump in his family members, use their charitable foundation to to inappropriately and unlawfully possibly even criminally to fund. The campaign. This is not something that will just be brushed aside easily with some pardons. Right. But do you think I mean, you had mentioned earlier that we might not necessarily be looking at indictments of a sitting president? Because I think I think you're right. I think Bob Mueller is just he's gonna follow policy as best. He can he's I think he's even narrowed the scope of his investigation more narrowly than he even needs to by the you know, the outline that Rosenstein, put out of what he's allowed to investigate. He seems to hand everything off that's not directly related so I feel like he's he's a rule follower. But do you think that he is he's so by the book, but do you think that I mean, we're looking at you know, I had David price on and he has this book out called how to get rid of a president. And so we've been having discussions as to how people think it's going to go because you know, aside from indicting sitting president, which I don't think he'll do that kind of leaves us with either impeachment. Or we've Ota mountain twenty twenty. So I was wondering just you know. I was curious as to what you thought because I know Komi has said he would rather see people vote and use their voices to to make you know to kind of you know, I don't know put in their verdict about this president. And then there are others who were you know, yelling impeachment impeachment. I was wondering what you thought about either of those choices. Well, I might. Yes. Third choice there. So let me start with the third choice sticking with the states. There's no guidelines that I'm aware of that would discourage a prohibit a state from prosecuting a sitting president. I'm not sure that that would happen seems awfully bold. But states have prosecuted sitting governors before just let's keep that. So let's keep that. Let's keep that in mind. But also, you know, for me, I think there's a as a as a law, professor who studies white collar crime as well as political corruption and corporate. Power. I'm really interested in in the question of of of. Whether a president or someone with a lot of power is above the law. And so the method the the question about what's the right way to get him out of office isn't really how I approach this. I look at it. As in say in say has he violated the law in someone we look at the possibility of impeachment. Yes, I think that the house should begin impeachment hearings and look into whether there is sufficient evidence to have a vote in the house for impeachment. And if so then I think the process should move to the Senate, and I think this is important in light of what appear to be already impeachable offenses in. And I think that there there's a mistake when people say, let's just wait and see what Muller fines because although mother has a very broad mandate. It is not unlimited and he is not tasked with exploring the. Institutional violations, including those from day one. And I'm sure, you know, the president has been accused of violating the conflicts of interest clause in the constitution. What we call the emoluments clauses. And that's not something Muller is investigating or will, investigate and York. New York AG is pretty bold whoever whoever sits in that seat. They're pretty bold. Right. And that's what's so it's so interesting. Yep. Right. And also just going by you know, some of the Nixon articles of impeachment the abuse of power situation where I remember he pressured the postmaster general to raise prices on Amazon and how he's saying he's going to release classified documents on Democrats, and he wanted to prosecute Komi and Clinton. So like, he's got the abuse of power down. He's good at it. We don't need. We don't need to wait for. We don't do it for Muller to to know that even the Ebro in even the places where there there's overlap, for example, obstruction of Justice is crime as a federal offense, but obstruction it can also be grounds for impeachment in in in. It was with Nixon, right? And so the state even though they're the same concept the standards of proof are different in the elements of what you mean by obstruction is different as well as abuse of power also lying to the the public repeatedly. You know, these are when you look at the grounds for impeachment the constitution. It includes high crimes and misdemeanors. And so it -cluded in that, you know, is some historical precedent as to what would fall within that. Absolutely abuse of powers is something but these emolument clause violations, which it. Which there are these private lawsuits moving forward so far. It doesn't seem like there's been a court yet. That's dismissed the case that his has dismissed the case arguing or holding that he's not taking Molly for payments. So in other words, these cases are moving forward into discovery. And I think that really the these really should also be looked at investigated by the house of representatives in public hearings. So we can all see what is actually happening. So did I hear you say that lying to the public could fall under impeachable offenses because we you know, we know we've been discussing the the Trump Tower Moscow that you know, he said, I don't have any deals with Russia. I have no money in Russia. And meanwhile, he had this whole letter of intent we got it in the minority report from Schiff actually that he was working on this other Trump Tower with Seder and his kids, but you know, we've we've been saying and repeating ourselves lying to the public is not a crime. It's not a crime. But are you saying that doing that or at least being possibly compromised because you lied to the public something that could fall under impeachable offenses high crimes and misdemeanors? Well, if we if we take a look at what article one of the articles of impeachment against president Nixon, and they're all these different different paragraphs. Let me just read it to it says making or causing to be made false misleading public statements for the purpose of deceiving. The people of the United States into believing that a thorough and complete investigation. Head been conducted with respect to ellegation misconduct. And so on. You know, so misleading. The public was part of was one of the elements of the obstruction of Justice charge against him. So, you know, there is there is precedent for this. And we, you know, getting back to to the Kone the Kone plea. It's it really is incredible. And I and I want to use the advice Adam Davidson of the New Yorker who did some excellent research on boku observation on the kind of corruption associated with some Trump buildings there assure if you read that piece, but he's the I did, and it really had it was a lot about vodka as well. I think she was heavily involved in deal announcer by John bite, and she was supposed to be by the way heavily involved in this Trump Moscow deal, but oh, yes. Her spa her her fantastic spot. I think she hired. Architects, and everything we all knew that already. I think it was in. It's a coffin corns book to write. He was the presumptive nominee at that time. But that's exactly the point. What you're saying? What kind of saying is what what what Davidson says? And I think what we all know. But forget is this is this is not the sort of new piece of information that we now find out that even though the position has been from Donald Trump. And from Michael cone that any discussion of building tower in Moscow building Trump Tower Moscow. They said all that discussion had ended by January. Now, we find out that the discussions went forward in through mid June. And not only that but that Michael comb was dealing with extremely high level officials in Russia to try to get this Trump Tower Moscow project going so this is the truth that is coming out in yet. We say we act like. The truth. That's coming out as if it's the first time we've ever heard of this. But it turns out that BuzzFeed had even reported on this previously right in it turns out that this fits quite well into some of the allegations set forth in the Steele dossier. So what we're really Davidson was saying, and I think is right is that we need to not look at one example of Trump lying about his connections with Russia on its own. We should not look at one example of Trump miss using. Let's say business or charity on its own. But we've had a look at a pattern and practice of behavior and with seems abundantly clear now is that Trump and the members of his inner circle his family. What members at the White House such as Michael Flynn? And his campaign have repeatedly lied about Trump's ties to Russia. And this seems like it was a coordinated effort. And what makes it even worse than that? Because when someone lies repeatedly about something is that when he's caught he says, well, even if I did it wouldn't be a big deal. Well, it really, you know, which is his last seems like his last defense or his next to last offensive the last one is so what everybody does it. But his they're lying about this for a reason. And I think it's just the tip of the iceberg. But what makes it worse? Not just they were lying, but they seem to be lying in parallel or coordination with the Russian officials themselves. So we have Tesco of very close with Ladimir Putin covering up for Trump. So we had this situation in twenty sixteen when it was clear that Donald Trump was going to be the Republican nominee while. Oh, yeah. Exactly. And I think the first Trump Tower was a Aguilar off deal as well. And they were at the Trump Tower meeting in June. So right in this is like June of twenty sixteen right at that moment. He is have. Ving Michael Cohen work on a deal to build a tower in Moscow, and you know, who they would have been working with in Moscow for that the Kremlin. I would assume. So before I let you go. Can you tell my listeners where they can find your book? Oh, so my my book on the financial crisis called other people's houses is available wherever you buy books. Independent bookstores and online including Amazon, and I recommend the paper back because I did and updated I did a new preface for that. And then I also have a casebook on white collar crime. But unless you're a law student, you really you really don't want to buy that. Really? It's super interesting right people. Like, Ooh, I wanna read your doctoral dissertation. No, you don't. Not unless you need to go to sleep and you're out of ambience. But if you also if you also just want, you know, ongoing commentary on what's happening. I'm I'm on Twitter way too much. Am my handle is Jen Todd. That's J E N T A UB. Great. Okay. Cool. So everybody follow Jen Todd ta you being and if you're not already following Muller. She wrote you could follow us at Muller. She wrote a thank you so much. This has been a really great and enlightening conversation. I really appreciate your insight, and, you know, I'm just a I'm an armchair lawyer over here, but it's really good actually speak to somebody who has a full grasp and understanding of some of the you know, the way that these crimes can be charged and what's going on. So Jennifer top thanks so much for being on MSW. Thanks for having. All right, guys. That's our show. So again, be ready for December seventh. 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Monday 11 November

Monocle 24: The Briefing

58:29 min | 11 months ago

Monday 11 November

"You're listening to the briefing first broadcast on the eleventh of November. Two Thousand and nine thousand nine hundred on monocle twenty four. The briefing is brought to you in partnership the ship with Rolex. Hello and welcome to the briefing coming to you. Live from studio one here at Midori House in London. I'm Emma Nelson and a very warm welcome to today's program. Coming up Brazil's President Jason Seo. Lula da Silva is freed from prison. We'll explore whether he has the will all the capacity to stand against Bolsonaro also ahead. We have the very latest from Vienna as a seventy year old former Austrian. Colonel is accused of spying for the Kremlin so really. It's a question of. How much does Vienna? I want to make this into a big deal. And if so is Moscow willing to play hardball back. Plus we find out. Why French boulangeries are closing? It's an alarming rate and we speak to one of the case top satirists about the joys and agonies of covering a general election. That's all coming up right here on the briefing with me me Emma Nelson. That's come in the next few minutes. But first Brazil's former president Louis Lula da Silva has has been released on one of the first things he did was to address thousands of his jubilant supporters. The Metalworkers Union in Sao Paulo Monaco's Latin American affairs is correspondent leasing. The Elliott was there and I'm delighted to say. She joins us on the line. Now Welcome back to monocle twenty four. Listen what were things like on Saturday. When Lula appeared appeared was I stay really sort of marked a move really away from Lulu the political prisoner Emerton Lou? The politician thousands of people as you say gathered outside right the union where his political career really took off back in the one thousand nine hundred and they were there to hear his public address and it was a carnival of sorts with live music coming home really that that contrasted hugely to the very somber mood last time. The Workers Party supporters met at the site in April of last year when Luder actually handed ended himself into the authorities and went to prison. We stayed until fairly late. And there was a brief moment where he sort of popped his head out of the Union Wendo to say good night but it was certainly one of if one of celebration on Saturday and also there is a sense that this is a political breakthrough because yes he has been imprisoned and no he. The corruption charges have not been dropped and no he can't run for public office but this is him positioning himself back in the political limelight. Isn't it yet. He certainly and he reiterated his political ambitions of the weekend naturally said that the left can take back reveals presidency in the twenty twenty two election. Technically yes he's barred from running running for public office because of the conviction because of the charges against him but there were talks actually of a national tour in coming weeks or months where he set to meet with constituents truants. I mean there haven't been further details about that whether he actually manages to eventually become a candidate again. What is clear he seems to be trying to? Galvanize is in reinvigorate the left in Brazil because up until now there's been a distinct lack the plausible opposition figure to Bolsonaro since he took office a little over eleven months months ago and unloader appears to want to be just that. Do you think he will be able to be plausible political figure given the fact that he has got such a backstory that no one can forget get I mean for his detractors. Lulu still remains a highly controversial figure and is blamed for fostering a culture of corruption in Brazil and should be kept opt in prison. I mean I remember. When he was jailed back in April last year there were fireworks going off in parts of the country and celebration and also on Saturday? Although it wasn't as widely reported did but pro Bolsonaro groups really came together in the city of some Paolo in supported. The president's and to many of the millions voted for Bolsonaro in the last election. Lueders release piece is is a reminder of exactly why they did and there have been talks among political analysts early this morning that say that maybe it's not the best moves by the Workers Party to out him. At Center stage we see how in Argentina recently by putting polarizing but nevertheless still powerful figure Christina kitchener further in the background. You know she ran as vice president. That really paid off and she liked. Lula had a string of corruption related charges against her But being in the backseat so so yes. This is still very much up for debate at a whether it would be a a move sorts. Tell us a little bit more about what his the next move can possibly given the fact that he's barred from standing for office but nonetheless is not barred from speaking in public exactly so the charges haven't been dropped against against him what's changed. Since Thursday's Supreme Court ruling is that he can appeal but as a free man and very publicly before he had to exhaust. The appeals process from jail and this is also applied to thousands of other inmates here in Brazil his conviction relating to the beach side apartment stands and his lawyers said the over the coming weeks immediately. They're going to continue to appeal because he was serving this for eight years and ten months for corruption and money laundering and still faces a half a half dozen corruption. Trials luda still whoa denies all the charges and he's urging that they're politically motivated in order to keep him out of the presidential election and but for the moment you know the the main thing is that he's out in public. Listen to relate. Thank you very much indeed for joining his own monocle twenty four. Let's get more on this now. From Ovarian Fernando Pacheco Echo Fernando is native of Sao Paulo and was back home visiting his family over the weekend. In fact just off the plane hunting your finances so welcome to the studio. Just tell us a little bit more about what it it was like to be in Sao Paulo in your hometown and see Lula back in the headlines again. First of all he was such a surprise. I was not predicting This decision decision by the Supreme Court and when it was announced of course it was big news in Brazil it was on tv all the time. I had to cancel my evening plans because as a good journalist even on holiday today I was I mean He Luli such one of the most important political figures in Brazil ever in a way and as listened to say he's quite divisive You either loving or hating. It's very difficult to not have an opinion about Lula in a way and interesting. Because you know I'm from some Paolo which is actually political conservative states especially in recent years so perhaps I got a different vibe. I'm sure Lula has many supporters in the northeast. But where I was in symbolic impala could fuel a lot of people actually attacking the Supreme Court For our the ruling can be felt in the streets got it because I mean Brazil has never been Brazilians. Excellent never been backwards in coming forward and expressing their political opinion in the streets but Your mum is from Sao Paulo and she's a therapist isn't she says she's gentle lovely lovely soul anyone who's been lucky enough to meet Fernandez. Mother will have their life slightly enrich via. But you get but even she has been subject to political Michael victimization. Doesn't she's by simply going on. Line trolling is rife absolutely me Shirota. Something like democracy or on her social media and and so leaving among her group of friends people were attacking and some people start even swearing. I mean she even decided to delete that and it is true Even in Brazil some point I was covering the election eighteen. I kind of I felt kind of a some sort of fear when I was in the cab. If I wanted to express my political opinion lenient because people. They're very heated. They will call you names. I mean I'm not saying everyone does that but it is very heated moment In Brazil the moment dis. I think that the release of Leila a man who's who so intrinsically linked with Brazil's past and with all the corruption that goes was with it is the right person to change the political game in Brazil given the fact that Bolsonaro in many ways is an open goal given how deeply deeply unpopular he is with certain areas of society. This is so hard ammo because let's not forget. Lula is a fantastic reiter. I mean when he spoke when he was released released. I mean it was like Oh my God finally have a challenger to both scenario but I agree with you this is a man also who hated by many Brazilians and a person that that is hated by almost half of the population. I think it's quite hard for him to be kind of become president again for example. We don't have leaders Such such as Lulu or even a bolt sonar. We don't see a new generation coming up at least at the moment so it's going to be very hard and aggressive in check. I thank you very much indeed for joining me in the studio. The briefing live on monocle. Twenty four with Emma Nelson in a moment. We'll have a quick look at the day's business headlines but I with some of the day's headlines Headline says Monaco's Yolene Gopher. Thanks Emma. A man is in critical condition after being shot by a member of Hong Kong Police Force. It happened as protesters tried to block a junction at Sei. One hole on the northeast of the island. It is the third time an officer has shot someone with a life round. Since protests in the city state began earlier here this year Bolivian president. Evo Morales has resigned after nearly fourteen years in power. The head of the country's Army Cold Morales to cede power following mass demonstrations over his dispute election win the outgoing president claim that he's the victim of a coup by believers generals and the monocle minutes reports that legislators in New York when she prohibit some local governments from capping the number of pop-up food vendors operating within their boundaries if successful well it could mean pavements across the state will be taken over by food trucks those today's headlines Spec to you Emma Lee. Thank you very much indeed. Now let's get the days latest business headlines. Joining us on the line is Bloomberg's even pots. You and welcome back to monocle. Twenty four apples credit card is in trouble is apparently being offering different credit limits depending on whether you're a man or a woman and two of the most recognizable company in Tech and finance immigrant by lenders unintentionally. You should discriminate when they use complex models determine how much money we can borrow now. We can Bloomberg reports has now opened a probe into Govan's opens Credit Card practices double socks the company behind Apple. 'cause I started with a virus weeks on the tech alleged apple's 'cause I hope saw the algorithms algorithms have discriminated against his wife. Now another big name is waiting on this No no no no less than the apple. Cofounder Steve Wozniak. He's calling for the the government's getting both. He says That he can borrow ten times as much as his wife on We'll call it even though the show the same bank and other credit cards accounts basically the Fundus the one in the same. So there's a increasing question whether these algorithms as close as opposed to be blind to gender and other things all discriminating Somehow now let's have promoted the motives because as opposed to level the playing field amongst the different bombers and remove human era and focused only on the data Traditional lenders have been increasing the use of these machines to try to reduce costs and boost loan applications and companies. Moving it on this they stuff these sectors space they say there's a growing and Luke is part of the market Govan's side in all cases. We have not will make decisions and based on factors like gender. But it wasn't that says our goes Obviously have flaws number people would say we love technology we we are no longer in control. I think that's the case. How much of a problem is is for? Companies like apple who who market the credit card is a new kind of credit card created by Apple. Not Bank yeah well the danger of course is one to reputational damage. Oppose Brian of course is incredibly value. They take The country would we bill. They take the reputation of bronze very very seriously like any something like finance Why some of the companies involved in particular not nearly as popular as apple that the danger of course is when you get involved with banking and you don't bring in these kinds of problems? They probably didn't imagine that it will be technology caused the problems. This is a a whole museum of issues for the industry but to apple very cain. They don't Dense they're rosie reputation. You and thank you very much. Indeed if adjoining his own monocle twenty four. You're listening to the briefing Monaco Rolex for new the pioneers. The pioneers is a brand new series. That tells the stories of people improving the planet. 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It means to have an extreme far-right government. I mean we've seen all the coverage recently of talk about reburying Franco in a different grave And I think that memory had been much more. Recent remember the Franco anchor era for Spain than than say in many other countries. And so you know. There was a natural reaction against that and I think one of the things that has led to. Vox becoming more popular all pillar is this perception that the Spanish state is in some way under more threats at one of their policies. The call to have direct rule over Catalonia in the whole Catalan issue seems to have Boosted their popularity. I suppose also you've had a lot of political instability over the last few years in Spain and I think when traditional apologies don't look like the answer they haven't been able to form stable government than there starts to be more room for parties at the edges indeed have been warnings at the Colonia crisis. Michael Michael Wood foster the rise of the far right because he started getting people to think about identity in place where they belong and he belongs where and that automatically creates a little vacuum king that could be filled by far voice yes indeed and of course the irony is that it was under Franco that the Catalan is really was one of the major things that caused was intense disastrous faction with government towards the end of his life The Catalan is who and also of course. The Basque separatists in the north of Spain the Basque ask problem rumbled on with outbreaks of considerable violence in the region and assassinations. That finally has been brought. It seems to kind of peaceful and about the Catalan is has reignited. And I think this is something that is potentially very destabilizing for Spain and it's actually potentially very bad for bacelona itself as a regional capital. I mean flight is Capital has fled from the city and lots of people are now finding that it's better to do business elsewhere in Spain so a lot of Spaniards very worried about the separatist issue and rally around a party that appears to inherit the same. I'm tougher broached that as Franco did we have two sorts of far right that people are beginning to identify. We have the extremist or write the stuff that scars scars. And what's often dressed up or something slightly more acceptable the populist far-right but there's not much separate separating them and some are saying that you you graphics support for the extremists far right when you have economic insecurity when you're countries is facing poverty and the populace radical writers more associated but you know an identity entity crisis the cultural backlash arguably Spain. Her suffered both of those things. Hasn't it but it is three comically recovery. So where are we looking at. Spain's going to be going because it has total political paralysis. Now well that is yes. One of the one of the difficult things how do other parties as opposed to try to Near combat that perception. If you look in some of the countries where the the right has done well it has. It has happened in some cases where the traditional party system was was very stuck. I mean it's interesting if we look at say take the example of Austria for instance said the the FBI was had come into government But in the most recent collections their support collapsed partly because of corruption allegations and one of the reasons they had first become prominent. Was this perception that the existing party system was I was stuck. It was corrupt that things were divided up between the larger parties in France as well I think that was part of the The attraction of Lapenne was the idea that you know the big political parties had a hold over everything and those political parties have started to come apart. I mean you. Can't generalize over much because in every country you know there are regional differences. There are in a individual circumstances but I think there is a strong attraction of this particularly the populist far right at the moment because people they want to talk about their identity they want to talk about where they belong and in many cases where people feel left behind and distance from central government wherever that may be. How popular is the populist? Right at the moment Michael. I mean we've seen tussle for power in the last few years especially in Europe in France micromanaged to be to defeat the far right the Netherlands. The same thing in Germany alternative of Deutschland said. It was going to make headway. But ultimately he didn't quite get that get that grip but we have this happening in Spain now and even last week and my new micro and the president of France was playing an anti immigration caught. Got Something in order to make himself attractive to the far right do we. Where are we in the war with all right? Well so far the far-right right hasn't had a real breakthrough except in two countries Hungary and Poland. Where the two governments are certainly authoritarian? Well more authoritarian hungry hungry but certainly What we would traditionally see as right wing and certainly populist at calling on local Well calling on traditional values news and trying to project their parties as upholders of the true national spirit and in other countries. The far-right was on the verge of a breakthrough through but at the last moment Seemed to collapse Italy's classic example where Salvini tried to force an election thinking that He would ride. The wave of anti-immigrant didn't sentiment and in the end it didn't work. He he was sort of slightly pushed aside and his knowledge of government. I think the interesting point is where the traditional kind end of appeal to identity crisis and the more perhaps hardline political nationalist Right where they merge. That's where you get dangers. And the real worry to some extent is Germany where they have merged because the AFDC did start off as a sort of Anti Euro WPRO party and it was very much The dissatisfaction in eastern Germany of those who are felt excluded from the reunited Germany but the AFC now is embracing some of those very very unpleasant racist policies at least verbally. They're embracing them. They're one associates with the Nazis and the same phrases. The same kind of instinct reactions are coming back and that is a real worry. I don't think it's a huge worry for Germany itself because there are a big enough bulk of people who feel that never again but it is Terry. How do you feel about the fact that we're having this conversation today? In two thousand nineteen in two days after many celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall. Yes I think Michael's right say that the FDA has grown in popularity party recently. But I think their support although is extending further is still very highly concentrated in the old east. Yes as we remembering thirty years since the Berlin Wall. Well it's it's just it's striking how much the politics of the old East Germany still Different from many in the West. But I think it's not not always despair you look at some of these parties for instance in Hungary The local elections finish actually did surprisingly badly They lost the mayoralty of Budapest. For instance now that may be you know the liberals in the city's deciding that we have had enough of this but you know there is still an electoral way out and I think you know the parties of the mainstream. The center just need to think more carefully about how exactly they tackle Fred. Let's move on to another story politics of old and new. How much has Russia been meddling battling in British politics? We may never know as the publication of a parliamentary report. That investigated just that was blocked last week by number ten Downing Street but that that hasn't stopped the press from trying to find out the Sunday Times yesterday claimed that no fewer the nine Russian business people have donated money to the Conservative Party and they were named in the document Michael in working on the inside of the Times. Tell us a little bit about more about what is being claimed in this article and the fattest the claims of being made of pretty of absolutely illegal activities yes well It's largely donations to the Conservative Party. From prominent oligarchs six or Russian residents in Britain or those with access to a lot of money giving money as it were under the counter. Not necessarily open clear political tickle donations and the conservative simply accepting the money because it very useful and cozying up to some of these people. Now how much that is. Organized Russian infiltration infiltration of the British political system. I think is open to doubt. I mean the fact that they're Russians rather than say Nigerians or Chinese or other people makes it immediately a kind of conspiracy that this is a criminal organized plot. Now I have no doubt at all that these other guys do find it useful to keep in. With what they you think cog and be the the people who to regulate their That taxes or status Celestin Britain and indeed. They are worried about the fact that Britain has finally decided I did the dirty money is not welcome in this country and the Conservatives probably overwhelmingly but perhaps also other parties have been turning a blind. Is that these gawks coming in. With pots of money has been illegally earned on the basis of corruption. Or whatever. And giving it to the juries Terry would you agree agree with what Michael Just said. Forgive me if I summarize that what's happening here is this. These are just mainly rich. People who just happened to be Russian as opposed to Russians who happened to be rich meddling in British politics. Yes obviously I you know would seem neither of US have with. None of us have seen the report yet. which is precisely what's the issue here? I think the question. His May of many donors who are by origin Russian but have since become British citizens in the sense living in Britain. Because if they were you know you're not allowed to donate to political parties if you're not British citizen British Resident so I think one of the problems that's happened here is just because because this report was due to be published before the election because it hasn't come out there is room for huge amounts of speculation about what exactly clears in it. And what exactly is legend in the more that the government says. We're not going to publish this report in the run up to the election the more people can speculate about it and so we don't know exactly what's what's being initially. We don't know the level of influence that is is being suggests obviously some people have have leaked. Some of the testimony and in some of this is is coming out now but in a it might be a better idea if the government did publish this report now. I think it's highly extremely unlikely that we're going to get see it Before the election and even after the election they will have to be a new intelligence and security committee that is composed according to whoever whoever wins in the balance of the parties. This could be really kicked into the long well into the new year which I think really is worrying now. Later on we're going to have the The Satirist Patrick kid in the studio talking about how difficult the go-to raises his right satire during election period. But Michael we are in the situation now arguably more ten years ago twenty years ago if someone said there is the suggestion that the Russians have been meddling again in British politics than the press would be all over it and we would not hear the end of it but now we interstate now with the electric. Frankly doesn't can also hitting Russians medal everywhere which unfortunately they tend to how much it's effective. How much wrong plot and how much attention the bridge electric pays to? What the Kremlin is doing? Frankly I think is has been wildly over overplayed Yes there can't resist mentioning whenever they say was done. I mean that's that's what they do but I mean but what would what would Russians with little old England every possible mischief could they. They may still quite a key. Member of NATO and Russia's still does find NATO something of an anathema and if the West is strong and united and taking a tough stand on in Ukraine and other areas whether have vital interests that's not to Moscow's advantage and therefore a slightly fragmented West and particularly West. That's really I'm not united on main issues of defense security or solidarity and all that is to Russia's possible vantage at least if you think in zero sum games which unfortunately the Kremlin always does so You know the chance for just causing mischief is sometimes welcome but how much it's organized and most important uh-huh much it's successful. I very much I have my dog slim thing that we don't really think about is the fact the EU sanctions should be stopping from all. This happening I I would assume it depends what The origins of the money and what the what the citizenship is of particular individuals concerned. Because you know if you may have come from Russia you may have you've long since come from Russia and be a very strong opponent of the Kremlin after all. There are plenty of Russian people. In in Britain he disliked Putin is as as much as as many other people. I think one of the other things we should also be concerned about the. We don't really know to what extent this report covers is The effects of UH online activities and the effect of in a trolls and social media. People trying to influence the debate in that sense and I think that is another A very worrying area this impacts not as obvious as donating large sums of money or having people in positions of influence. But you know these kind of troll farms that are sending out the trying to influence the online survey as well and let's not forget Michael that we do have a famous Russian oligarch. He runs one of the United Kingdom's influential newspapers. Lebron Evening Standard. I mean that's that's hiding in plain sight isn't it yes Putin. No He's not and I wouldn't necessarily say that you've newsstand is one of the most decent London in paper. Yes I his influence. His criminal links are very very Removed from the daily coverage. Uh of news in the Evening Standard. I think too many in too many people. He has been an exemplary ONA. His promoted the paper when it was in difficulties. He's he's managed to rescue it from possible closure and he as you say is not necessarily a mouthpiece for the Kremlin by any means and the fact that he is of Russian origin Urgen. Well various people are I mean. Rupert Murdoch is Australian. Arjun does that matter. Does that influences policies identing so you're listening to the briefing live on monocle twenty four with mls now the Boulogne Rayo Bakery has become one of the great social economic and cultural get shaped pillars of French village. Life the QS for bread the chatter and the sense sense of community or make up not just an important internal part of society but to the rest of the world is part of what makes France so very French but apparently clean no longer. Bakeries are closing across the country's villages with a reluctance by the younger generation to enter a profession full of nighttime working and burned alms. uh-huh Terry this terribly sad tale but as soon as you start thinking about it. I don't know about you but the last time I drove through French village I couldn't find it belongs to me. That was open a donor. But you know I my. My parents live in a French village. And so I can give you chapter and verse. I think the ones that are doing we'll Some some of the chain bakeries so a lot of French people much like the rest of US elsewhere in Europe are going to buy their breads in the supermarket kit. Because it's easy to park and it's easy to drive to and so you're not perhaps going to your traditional little local bakery in the village and they're quite a lot of big chains now have got los into the bakery market and again they are getting a lot of the custom In in the south near where my where my family are you find a lot of closed down but then you also they find some little local businesses that are starting up trying to appeal to the higher end of the market making the jam making more traditional kind of old fashioned bread. Red Rather than the big mass-produced type so I think it's it's not all despair but certainly the situation is changing. It's a situation. That's changing market. Michael it's IT'S A. How much actually is part of French society? I mean there's an article in the New York Times talking about the demise of French village life if because of this village life that has been so closely knit into into France's external headset. Soft power when you have novel such as Madame Burglary Flaubert depicting a certain time and time in French history which is just steeped in village life in its influence over people's lives that's right and I think that's what the whole significance this debate is. All about it's really more to do with is the still a focus for village life Balaj vs where the place where he would meet in Chattanooga in the morning you gossip with our neighbors. It's not so central say to British life but then the other things are pubs. All the post office say a little villages are losing both of those fairly rapidly and all industrialized countries are facing this problem of keeping alive their rural communities in an age where bigger means better and INDUNA faster means leaving behind those who are not so clued in or why apple whatever And I think there is a real nostril jet for way of life that is vanishing fast cost and that is very much in France. centered around the the bakeries the next essential threat to the French identity. Given the fact that every time you do by a bugets you see tradition written all over absolutely everything now. If you have a new generation of French people who I could forgive them for saying no not going to get up at two o'clock in the morning to make to make bread for everybody you. You actually start to drill deeply into a country's identity don't you yes. I think you know it's baked in horror to even the French state. And some of the controversies about the the the bakeries have been to do with how much the French state actually regulates the selling of bread comes from the revolution in keeping the price of bread. Down has been a really important thing and it's only in the last few decades that they've stopped saying you know this is the maximum price. Fueled by good but you know the French government legislated about the opening hours they have to open everyday they legislated it just lays about when bakeries because can take their summer holidays and things like that are still governed by the state and as Franz Tries to reform cer- certain things and the things things Do Fall by the wayside so Yeah it is very very key to French identity but I don't think gluten free I don't think has caught it on quite as much yet in France giving up by gets completely the way you speak suggested the idea of bread as what some persons described as a municipal service I mean it is that that reliance on the state that people have to ensure that people are fed. It's quite simple in France in that way and that's all Ghibli something that lots Tim. Other countries have lost It's pretty basic. I mean if you look at the Russian Revolution Bread was one of the key demands and in fact throughout Soviet times bread was also very Catholic. athle- regulated it was very cheap so much that people often buying it just to feed the ducks and it was It was very good quality actually and since the fall of communism that that importance on bread has more vanished because it was ideological importance on bread. The Communist felt that this was basic provisions for ordinary general Russian Russian people and it was essential duty of the state to provide it. Well that's gone and I think that's gone throughout much of the Western World Today. A Russian duck finally only we cannot express how agonizing this experiences for US Brits gathered in Studio expressing ourselves because a survey has indicated that more than half of us. UK people are shy and cripplingly. Slow so Michael you shy. I think I'm not I think I ought to be a bit. It would be better for me if I was van for the people of as a bit more shy probably. I think I was quite China's about sixteen seventeen. Yes I was quite shy and tickly shy. Hi with with girls I mean. I think this is typical of adolescence but I think I've sort of got over that. I mean I've been around long enough to stop being shy about you terry. I said I'd say it sounds strange. Somebody just spent the last fifteen minutes talking in public But no I am still massively In normal social situations nations that don't involve me expressing opinions to to a willing audience Yes I think it's a very British thing. It is of this idea reserved not wanting to trouble troubled people wanting to understand the rules by which society operates and not being entirely confident about that. I mean one of my favorite twitter accounts is the very British. Just problems accounts which always gives you the interpretation of what British people say. What they really mean? If you've watched fleabag recently has brilliant scene where her sister they have a cafe. That has a chatty Wednesday. And everybody's supposed to go into the cafe and talk to each other and the sisters. No no no no no I couldn't. She couldn't deal with this idea that you could go into a cafe and talk to strangers. Being shy doesn't help you if you're a diplomat doesn't Michael or does it because one one wonders how this whole issue of shyness fits into the ability not of Britain to ambush diplomats to actually make their case fell to make their voices heard across the world. Well Shyness is not quite the same as reserve reserve of is Keeping your opinions. Joe Self not expressing emotions. Shyness is a kind of crippling lack of self confidence. I've your diplomat You can be Five you're not shy at all but you need to keep play. Play your cards close to your chest. I mean the definition of a diplomat especially British. One is someone who thinks twice before for he says nothing And you you just keep close to undo. The Brits have a reputation for for shyness reserve I mean when when other countries have have to deal with us certain reserve yes absolutely. We don't open out to others very easily But on the other hand people say that when you get to know British the people they are quite warm and friendly in their emotions and in their expression in each other in individual responses to other people. But I think we're still reserved what we don't like doing making us. We don't like to raise our hands and be the only one say that's wrong. I protest about that whereas you see French Oi Talents. Three much more vocal and make you fuss over. Something like grander scale. Though that we quite light to kick up a fuss I mean one need only think about our relationship with European Union. We have been very shy sitting there quietly on the sidelines not wishing to do anything apart from say no off times. I wonder whether individually were quite a shy bunch. Dairy and I confessed to being with you. I absolutely love being the person who asks questions. Betide anyone asks me anything and yet I'm sitting in a dark room on my own talking to myself. That's what radio is all about but then when we come as was an international facing country we did quite light to kick up a fuss. Don't we report quite good at being passive aggressive at sort of saying well. I don't want to cause any trouble spots. Actually we just want to leave this. I think it's it's the way it's phrased you're not necessarily going to kick up a big fuss but Ah stoically standing there and is being difficult. fusses is a different matter. Michael Vinian and Terry Stephanie. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four you're listening to the briefing. It took In the newspaper review follows in just a few minutes. Time here on the briefing but I on monocle twenty ninety four prosecutors in Salzburg have charged a seventy one year old former Austrian army colonel with gathering in leaking classified material to Russia. Austria claims James a military man whose name has not been released as worked with Russia's intelligence service GRU since the nineteen nineties the case came to light a year ago and has strained strained diplomatic relations between the two countries although Moscow denies any knowledge of the matter. So what will happen. Now Monaco's Alexei Korolyov reports now from Vienna China recently from this installation for us and this station. Pundits discuss fission knock to summon Gabbert on decent into Austrian Chancellor Sebastian courts addressing the nation last November spy had been discovered at an army facility near the city of zones book. The spy was an Austrian citizen. A retired colonel. It did he worked for the Russians. The Kremlin's response just in front of the new view. What an unpleasant surprise is said? Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. It's the first we've heard about it. A Vanilla and US three ABO- published Abuse Nusa Sir Bob Russell Cottam nomination easiest. This unpleasant surprise came at a bad time for Russia until that moment and Austria had been seen as one of Russia's few friends in the EU. And then this happened. Does that mean that the relationship is over. Well a cynic would say that essentially espionage. Not now she's just the flipside of normal play mistake. It's part of the integral process. And let's be perfectly honest. Everyone spies on everyone else. In that context it means the impact on and relationship between this case Vienna. Moscow is only as much as both players wanted to be Margaliot. E is a researcher research at the Royal United Services Institute and an expert on Russian security. Australia's long tradition. As a hotbed of international espionage continues up to the present present day last year the Federal Office for the protection of the Constitution and counterterrorism said the number of foreign agents in the country remained high. So so why did it take so long to unmask. These colonel stress. said it couldn't have done it on. Its own it was tipped off by another European Intelligence Agency Mongoose Galaxy Twenty five years actually pretty impressive track record is interesting this fellow. Even after he'd retired seem eager to continue to be involved. It also does say something about Austria on the one hand this country which quite frankly does not spend very much on its counterintelligence capabilities. There's a huge discrepancy and see between countries. And how much they spend Australia's definitely on the low end and secondly also Austria seems very keen to maintain this Equa poise between between Russia and the West. And if one could be forgiven for thinking that frankly it would rather not discover Russian spies because then has the choice of what to do about them so all these regions together. This is an unusual case but it does speak to a wider issue Australian. Frankly something of a playground for Russian intelligence. I mean he can hack into almost anything these days. So why both are actually recruiting people. Well the moment we have a tendency to get very author excited by all the technological options but when it comes down to it there is still absolutely nothing that can beat good old fashioned called humint human intelligence. You can hack an email you can even listen to a phone conversation but the thing about a human intelligence asset is that they are self propelled. When they're in an office? You can have not necessarily told them to do but if they happen to see a document that I think might be of interest then and they'll run that through a photocopier or snap a picture with their camera phone. They can tell you things that you can't get from a transcript. How did the person seem when they? You're saying something what's the mood. What's the gossip? All of these things. You can only get from a human source with Australia in the midst of post-election uncertainty. It is doubtful. This case will behind the agenda Chancellor Sebastian courts the Russians seemed to have quieted. Dropped it as well but it's not for nothing that Vienna decided to go public with it. A last word for Monkey Elsie. So really it's a question. Of how much does Vienna wants to make this into big deal and if so is as Moscow willing to play hard ball back and this is what makes it fascinating. We will now say given that. The Australians have chosen to make this public. How fatherm that they're going to go was worth? Noting is this particular spy was working for the Russian military intelligence there is also the foreign intelligence service the SVR so they will have had their own totally separate network of agents and assets so the interesting thing is. This might put a bit of a crimp in how the operates in Australia but almost certainly they at the same time. Be No impact on the espionage activities for Monica in Vienna. I'm Alexis Orlov thank you Aleksei. You're listening to the briefing on monocle. Fool Monaco Rolex. Bring you the pioneers. 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But it's not good news We're starting in the Washington to post Disease could kill Florida's citrus industry which I saw unthought okay. That sounds interesting. But then I kind of dawned on me. Florida orange juice news is famous. Worldwide and Florida is responsible for eighty percent of the. US's orange juice and and what's happened. It describes the situation Roy of sickly orange trees can Seen standing in the bright Florida's Sun that limbs with it and leaves deform the would like wrought and it's this disease which is kind of come over from China on on the backs of small insects which scientists are comparing to HIV V. And its crippling these trees. Basically what the disease is it stops. The fruit from ripening it's a stays green and then all of a sudden the fruit drops and by I Florida law wants. The fruit has hit the ground. You can't sell it so there's just thousands and thousands of trees the needs to be dug up and burned. It says here ninety percent of the groves infected in some way by this in nineteen billion dollar industry. And what is I'm what is going to be the likelihood of of this. I mean you talk about the fact that you know Florida Orange Jesus pretty famous the world over How how much worse could this Gat Fordham? Well in the last ten years they've already lost thirty four thousand jobs so it's looking pretty bad however apparently towards the end of his article it got a little bit brighter. They they think there. There's something they can do. They're trying to develop Pepsi and coca-cola appalling billions of healthy alternative. Yeah drink that no no. These companies own Tropicana minute maid pumping billions of dollars into trying to create versions of the same tree. That that don't that aren't is affected by the KOMO resistance to the bug and then yet basically they're just having plot lot more trees and hope it seems to be the situation at the moment which isn't very bright as it's very fit when it's funny at least you start if you start reading around in if you to if you were to Google Florida citrus industry. You would see to two stories. You'd see the problems that the Washington Post is talking about. Plus the idea of apparently there's a thing called for induced dumping Which is Brazil Mexico flooding the market with foreign foreign? The orange juice companies can Can Use instead on these gondal whether bringing in foreign honey this is shocking in the extreme. But then you also if you look at the local papers it's terribly funny. It's like bursting with another Oklahoma. It's getting this bursting with civic pride because if you read the local news in Tampa I think this is pretty. We have a bumper crop. This is fantastic so anyway. Apparently there's more oranges sold this year than last year. So it's back on the UP. Okay good move back to the British press. The Daily Telegraph trees. This is kind of trees. You K- t- grows facing Kenya. FEMME invasion British tea growers facing using the country's greatest crisis since the Boston. Tea Party Basically what's happened is well back in one thousand nine hundred four There were forced forced evictions of this one tribe by the British to stop the revolts. And they wanted all these tea plantations and now charismatic. MP called Paul Chip. Cut US. I knew going to ruin his name. Paul Chip Coney is demanding. Not only that they get back the farmland but also compensation Penn station to the tune of fifteen billion pounds that the people have lost while the while the British crown basically has been owning the land. All all of this is an awfully difficult story very very very difficult story and actually if you look around I mean we need to do is read the Daily Mail Britain Britain. Jason Faces T- shortages. Kenyan governor threatens Zimbabwe style foam grabs if the UK does not pay reparations for fiction during colonial times and this is really not a good story at all and especially given the tone that the British press taken along this exact word it. The Daily Telegraph has done slightly differently to the mail It says here the this area the Kenya is by far the largest Exporter aww t to the UK almost every single teabag in the country it says here will include some leaves from this area so yeah it does say that we might be having a very British T- shortage which is terrifying. But also as you say. I don't know why we're focusing on that one what's happening. Is these locals. Basically just want their land back back and So far all the companies involved Keeping quiet deleting thank you very much indeed for joining his on monocle twenty ninety four. You're listening to the briefing with Emma Nelson. Yeah once upon a time. Politics was a straightforward forward brutal. Bloody business satirist. Poke Fun at public. Figures in the reputation is slowly chipped away. The traditional parties had their traditional peccadilloes and fiction with strangers. In fact fact Oh those happy happy days because as we delve headlong into a midwinter general election just how hard is the job of the modern day satirist given that the stuff happens nowadays really. Couldn't make it up. Patrick kid is the author of the week are a long time in politics. Sketches from the BREXIT. Never end him and he's also taking a road trip around the United Kingdom to gauge. The public mood ahead of next month's General Election Patrick Welcome to the studio. You're a brave man. Well someone someone has yes. I was down in the southwest last week during the the British route sixty six which is the a three zero three the thirsty all the way. Down to Cornwall Mason. Cornish fishermen fishermen and bobby also participated as a Lib. Dem in north. Cornwall he wants to be the first vets to sit in parliament. Nine hundred east. Evan is particularly interesting because there's an independent candidate standing until stacy agenda who came within eight thousand two beating the conservative for the last election. She's fourteen thousand ahead of Labor so seventy people independent including the opposition speaking to people and generally fed up fed up with brexit fed up with elections not particularly wanting an election. And then you Ryden it in with your pen ready to write satire on this. What what material is there out there? Nowadays that perhaps you didn't work with a few eight years ago. Will you never know what you're going to get reelection. Something disastrous can always happen. You use competent. And the fact that Boris Johnson is now leader of the Conservatives rather than to reason that makes it more likely The two thousand seventeen election may ram a presidential to personality leads election campaign not realizing she didn't have a personality and so actually it was very very dull to cover. She didn't use Boris at all. I'm whatever people think of. Boris is politics. He generates news. He's very fun so during the referendum campaign in twenty six I have lots of his Images of voice kissing fish and things like that on one occasion in Dartford where there was a peak laurie with this slogan on the side light and he left behind the cabinet. Press said he's not gonNA drive it. He's not going to drive it then. The engine started his definitely not going to drive is oh God. I'm boys careened off and he he is always going to have something to say something about. You just never know. Have a clue in order. Handles the world indeed. I mean just looking at the time today. There's Oh no another months to get your election survival guide. There's a picture of Boris Johnson on a production involving potatoes. Jeremy Cohen is doing yourself and There's a really really unfortunate picture of Jason's and trying to eat a marshmallow. I I mean when it comes. Dangerous abandoned his sandwich. So the stuff that you can really pay make political capital out of is other other rich pickings at the moment so is as many people as suggesting life so desperately awful. That many of this isn't funny anymore. Or perhaps not funny but often people especially speaking to electric can be on unwittingly funny. And that's what I've enjoyed about much again to speak to the cornish fishermen. You need plenty of asterisks surrender. What they're they're saying that they're they're more fun to deal within the electric or not she get away from the politicians and see what the public is saying? Why because the it's even less predictable? I think if you if you remember in the last the last I'll stay of the larger. No election lives in Orage. Theresa may even a very blunt speech. And then they go chatting to An Norfolk local at the railway station. Who has been like a Ronnie Balka Lca Caricature? Who Said you tell that? Theresa May I've gone. I did two sold out terrorism. You WanNa shoot me in the back of the head so I like I like meeting etc people and there's always going to be something to write about arguably lots of our political figures are eccentric in their own right. I mean just thinking of the top of my head Jacob re smoke. I'm actually Jeremy. Corbyn and another life is pretty eccentric given the fact of visit of aid stalwart hard left views of his formed making German looking at manhole-covers indignities allotments and stuff like that. It's absolutely bananas. And so what are you when you're doing the election this year. What he what are you waiting for the fun to come your way or do you actually have to focus a little bit on what you want to talk about an issue that you think? The listeners of the readers need to know about or something will always emerged. I find if you go in there wanting to do specific story it just won't get written on quite often comes at the end of the day. Try My piece. I will tear it up three times. And it's it's when I was writing in parliament itself. It was the fringe characters. I was most intrigued by the back benches and the reactions between them and again. I think we need to go find. The people who aren't in the front line is even though they could always good copy you'd be now the fringes the center for. That's probably true. Yes some experts. Where Boys Johnson's own seat and he is obligated against say twenty five year olds Iranian Who is fighting? The local candidates undeserved legitimacy to the he came. Here was a five year old. He went to school in the constituency he went to university I constituency and and he works Nelson's of taking on the prime minister what's his the role of the voting day satirist given the fact that we've just discussed discussed how vaguely absurd everything has has gone up and has become an people that interested in politics anymore if we have to tale no. I think there's certainly a lot of weariness and that's partly the Tories Gamble is. The people will be so tired when people to vote for the opposition position but the job of the modern history. I always compare it to being a critic that we're that's it to tell people what's going on with colorful sideways. Look and sometimes I really you want to get five star reviews while the monster I would love to go and find a really good local candidate. When was the last time you did? I actually on the southwest trip. I found this this independent counsels Blairite in East Devon. She was doing the old fashioned political campaigning. Trick of going out to meeting people she was leafleting in your town centre disaster. Come on. Tell me whatever's on your mind. She's meeting every business. I was quite impressed that she she would actually asking for votes. I think there's a lot of taking it for granted in North Cornwall as a Lib. Dem there who's his Danny Chambers who Speaking to me about how he was working in Jaipur on rabies eradication and the lessons we can learn for Brexit and it is that she a serious point in the way. They're going about rabies ratification. There was seemed the logical way instead they worked out. If you vaccinate the dog so often the people you can have a great success on his automated. Brexit is the wrong all sorts of the right question somebody launch so in this world of doom gloom desperation and and quite frankly crazy see stuff you build yourself as offering the broad Sitcom about plans to the gloom of news. Can we find happiness and solace in the in the embrace of Satur-. Yes yes they were. They were good people that liberals wacky people the Monster Raving loony party Lord buckets heads driven to reason. There's going to be people standing on all sorts of crazy issues but it going to be people doing this for real noble motivations and part of my dream which try and find some of the good stories too so I wish you the very best of luck with that Patrick and when you tell us a little bit about your book wins it out over. overbrook has has been out a couple months just being reprinted up. She was going well. And this covers the whole story from the very first sketches. You Kit within the by-election taking through to Theresa may leaving demonstrator. They it seems like innocent innocent days Russia. Kid Thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four. That's all we have time for today's program. Many thanks to all our guests. And to our producers Reese James and Marcus hippie researchers Ulan Gopher Nick Tim and Jacqueline Harper at our studio manager Kenya Scarlett. I'm Nelson thanks for listening breath

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Russia Has Approved Sputnik-V, the First COVID-19 Vaccine With No Late Stage Clinical Trials

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09:38 min | Last month

Russia Has Approved Sputnik-V, the First COVID-19 Vaccine With No Late Stage Clinical Trials

"And I heart radio, we bring you the best podcasts from the Ron Burgundy show to the breakfast club to stuff you should know. Really all of today's biggest names but each of these shows started with an idea and now we want yours we're looking to you for the next great podcast. Simply. Go to next great podcast dot com to get the details and submit your pitch will select up to ten semifinalists and give them a thousand dollars to produce a pilot. Then listeners for across the world will vote on their favourite to decide the next great podcasts enter today at next great PODCASTS DOT COM. That's next great podcast DOT COM. Why shouldn't the next great podcast come from you? It's Thursday August thirteenth. I'm Oscar Ramirez from the daily dive podcast in Los Angeles and this is reopening America. Russia's President Vladimir Putin has announced that they have approved the first x scene for covid nineteen. He said the vaccine sputnik five works quite effectively and it has even been given to his daughter. However, many health experts are skeptical because it has not gone through late stage clinical trials. Tina has been say senior writer at Science News joins us for what we know about Russia's vaccine. Thanks for joining US Tina. Thank you for having me this week we had an interesting bit of news in the Corona virus endemic story Russia said that they had the first vaccine ready to go president. Vladimir. Putin. Announced in a televised cabinet meeting that they're ready to roll with the first cove in nineteen vaccine to the general public right away everybody said what will well let's take a step back. This doesn't seem like it's gone through any phase three trials but he said it's safe. It's so safe that they've given it to his daughter already but a whole host of questions arose out of this new. So Tina, tell us what we know about this. Russian vaccine. We know very little about the vaccine actually, there's no published data on any of the results of the trials that they have done. So we just have the word of Vladimir Putin and the health minister that it is safe and they are saying effective, which is not something. You can really say at this point since they haven't done the testing to determine whether it's effective. What we do know about it comes from a clinical trial registry. There's an American site called clinical trials dot Gov where a lot of clinical trials. From around the world or registered and according to the information there this is a vaccine that's actually a two part vaccine. It is too common cold viruses which are called a dental viruses that have been engineered so that they make the spike protein from the corona virus. The spike protein is that anomaly read stuff that you see on the outside of the depictions of the corona virus and it's an important protein because it helps the virus latch onto cells and uninfected them, and since it's on the outside, it's good target for. These to bind to and help block the virus from infecting cells. Yes. Not like. This is some weird revolutionary technology that they're doing and that's why they have it so much faster I mean, it's very similar for my understanding to the University of Oxford Zeneca vaccine candidate it works in similar ways. So at least the sciences kind of there, it's not like they're trying to create some new thing out of it. A lot of it has to do in the criticisms are the lack of testing the lack of going through a full phase three trial and apparently they did I guess some type of phase two trial with their military although the amount of people is not what they. Want to do in the sizes of trials, but they seem like they're ready to go. They've already released it as I mentioned to his daughter if you Russian business people and politicians and they're kind of ready to go with it. Apparently, the business people in politicians have had access to it for quite some time, but they only really started testing this vaccine in June other vaccines that are similar as you mentioned that. Oxford. University. One one, it was developed by Sino, which Chinese Canadian concern and the other one is a Johnson and Johnson Johansen Pharmaceuticals Vaccine, which also uses similar viruses those have been. In development for longer and they have already reported phase one in phase, two clinical trials, and they are starting testing in about thirty thousand people each to try and determine whether or not. This actually prevents you from getting the Corona virus. The Russians do not have that data they have not started that type of testing yet. So they can't really say whether it is effective. The Russian vaccine has been named Sputnik Five. You know a throwback to the satellite back in the day or be Sputnik V. Vaccine We. The dating of it is just kind of a fun little tidbit there. But the interesting thing is and you kind of named a lot of the different vaccine candidates Johnson and Johnson Astra Zeneca Pfizer there's a bunch of different ones, right? These are all made by article companies and the Russian vaccine is actually made by the Gamma Yellow, institute, which is kind of the Russian body, a science thing. So they're not necessarily doing with a big company it seems like, but from my understanding, there's already. Countries that are interested in buying. This are buying doses of this and I liked what you put in the article did the Russians win the vaccine race with this? I mean if all is lucky and all goes well and it proves to be effective and safe. This is a big point of national pride for them. I guess even though the viruses global and all but I, just WanNa explore that concept did they win that vaccine raise? Well it's only a win if it really is safe and effective if it's not then it could be a big loss for everyone because people might not trust the vaccines that are proven safe and effective later on. But you know if even one country develops a vaccine that's great for everybody because it could potentially mean that we can get back to something resembling normalcy if we can protect people against getting infected with this virus. So the more success that people have whether it's one country or all of these vaccines that are in development if they seem like they actually offer some protection that's a win for everybody. So it's not like everybody else is going to stop because. Say that they have a vaccine. All of this effort is going to keep going forward and hopefully we will have multiple vaccines so that everybody who needs one can get one yeah I mean it's going to be interesting to see how this rolls out from my understanding. I think they're gonNA START RAMPING UP PRODUCTION THEY WANNA start giving out to teachers and doctors I hopefully by October. So everything's going start moving really fast pretty soon, and we hope right that everything is safe and effective for the people that are getting it but just another big development in the fight against corona virus if it proves to be true I, know there's a lot of skepticism about it so we'll have to see. Another problem is that you can't really say anything at this point about how long the immunity might last. Even if it does offer some protection, we don't know if this is something. That's GonNa go away in six months or if you need to get a booster shot every year or maybe it'll be like the measles and you get a shot in your protected for life. Fina Hessman say senior writer at science. News thank you very much for joining us. You're welcome. I'm Oscar Ramirez and this has been reopening. America. Don't forget that as big new stories you can check me out on the daily podcast every Monday through Friday. So follow us on Iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. I'm John. Horn host to the podcast Hollywood the sequel. On every episode, we're challenging producers, actors and directors to tell us what's broken in Hollywood and how they fix it. Here's producer Eva Ver- name unending systemic racism. Is. Not Enough a statement is not enough one black executive is not enough to not enough. You're company must look like the real world and we're tackling other problems like keeping everybody safe onset and fixing Hollywood's broken GIG economy. 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Calvey detention alarms Russia investors

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14:21 min | 1 year ago

Calvey detention alarms Russia investors

"We live in the era of disruption with entire industries in a state of change. Join host Walter Isaacson as he discovers the fascinating stories of some of the world's biggest trailblazers my favorite thing to do. Go to the drive in movies, plugging the GPS receivers let it collect data while I was watching double feature with my wife from virtual reality to robotics Formula, one and farming trailblazers from Dell technologies the unexpected stories of digital disruption. Listen now from wherever you get your podcasts. Hello from the newsroom of the financial times. In london. I'm Naomi rove. Nick, Michael Calvi, a US citizen and one of Russia's most prominent foreign investors has been detained in Moscow in connection with a large-scale fraud investigation. And a case that has shocked the business community nil. Buckley, spoke to max sudden or correspondent in Moscow who's been covering the case. Max set the scene. I I didn't tell us about Michael Calvi. How important a figure is he in the Russian business and investment community. Well, Michael Calvi was basically the only game in town left as far as foreign investments were concerned after two thousand fourteen when the Russian economy went into recession and the US in the past sanctions against Russia over the Ukraine crisis. Lots of foreign investors pack their bags and left including people who've been here for twenty years and Callie running the biggest by far rush focused private equity fund, heat actually, just raised a large amount money in the fund and instead of skipping town. He flew around the world and met every single investor reassure them that their money was going to be safe. But with the possible exceptions BP and towel who have minority stakes and energy projects. Here. He was the largest foreign investor in Russia by far and he founded Baring Vostok way back in the nineteen ninety s is a private equity, but we'll kind of investments does it specialize in. What was it known for? What is it known for? What bearing does is they take money from large institutional investors, pension funds like CalPERS in California. Some other American states EBRD funds of funds, and they take this institutional money, and they put it in Russian private equity and the thing about burying was the they would always avoid the more politicized or dangerous parts of the rashly economy. Chiefly oil gas and metals where all the oligarchy Moore's would usually happen in favor of early sage vestments, and technology companies and other consumer facing companies of the finance that a medical stuff. They are best known for investing in two thousand they put five million dollars. In the end X, which is kind of the Russian version of Google that got them thirty five percent stake and ex when I pee owed in twenty eleven that earned bearing a five hundred times turn. So in many ways, not makes defined that. He's not being charged. Even more surprising, given that you know, he'd really tried to avoid controversial areas of investment. So what are the challenges that Michael Calvi is actually facing? Well, there is why this is such supplies for Calvi is that you know, he's not a stranger to a Russian courtroom. What is a stranger to is Russian criminal court remanded Russia, if you'd ask someone like Calvi himself, he would say that in Russia. There hasn't been criminal court reform for the has been successful civil arbitration court reform and bearing was actually quite well known for being quite tough in defending its rights in various shareholder bottles, and they would stay in the arbitrator in court, but he's name charged with here is burying has majority state in guitar fairy Bank. Focuses on the Russian far east called Bustos new Bank and the prosecutors and the F S of the secret services are accusing burying of organizing this related party transaction that cheated the Bank out of about thirty eight million dollars, and he and the other three bearing boss, doc employees who have socially are facing three to ten years in prison hundred these charges. So it could be up to ten years, and he would be the first western invested to get a prison term. If that happened the first US invested to get a prison term, he certainly the most famous most high profile person ever pay something like this. Normally what happens is if you're involved in sort of shareholders few if you look at Bill Browder who used to be the biggest foreign portfolio investor in Russian stocks now, he's one of Russia's most prominent critics and campaigns or sanctions against Russia. He was just kicked out of Russia. He just tried to fly into the airport. One day. And they turn around and send him home the idea that they could actually bring charges against you as a US citizen. This was always seen as something that was just beyond the realms of possibility because this after the Russian people there are about six thousand Russian businessman right now who are in Michael these various attrition, but the idea of this happening to Americans just that there are some sort of political involvement as we've seen so often in the past. These things are rarely exactly what they seem to be on the surface. So who will want to people I think is really behind this Calvi case. Well, Calvi sat in court was the this is the result of a shareholder conflict. That's not a secret that he has a long-running shareholder conflict with the minority shareholders in US Bank over control of the Bank. And he said that they basically use this as a salvo to try to get it him. Basically what happened was after two thousand fourteen. There was another financial crisis in Russia. Both Vostochny he tried to mitigate the risk by merging with another Bank owned by two businessmen that very people have heard of called are gone, and here's on Yusup of and as a result of the merger. Kelly says that the central Bank ordered the Bank be recapitalized and to create more reserves and Calvin in court that they have arbitration proceedings in London against the minority shareholders for asset stripping their Bank before the merger with Stephanie. And so he claimed that this was some sort of salvo in that shareholders Pugh, what is clear is this isn't just some ordinary part of Russian criminal procedure because I was at one of the appeals yesterday. And they said that you super who filed the complaint filed that directly to a man named Yvonne perpetual of who is head of the economic crimes apartment of the F B, and in charge of all financial things they come under the arm of the Russian security services. This is Jeremy. Dot someone who's bad side. You want to be on show some senior people in Voltaire than not President Vladimir Putin said in his annual state of the nation address last week that onus a well intention business. People shouldn't live in fear of prosecution. I didn't name Michael Calvi. But obviously, they will hopes among Calvi support is that the president might that for intervene in the case, which I think they had asked him to do. But it's not being reported that Mr Putin afterwards privately backed the security services investigation into Mr. Calvi. So what role is the Kremlin playing hit? We think someone made a joke on Twitter that it sounds a bit. Like the all bind from the purges someone please tell commerce solid. There has been a terrible mistake. Because what Michael Cobb is saying is that there is no political thing here. This isn't the FSBA going after Americans because relations are so bad. Even though he's the second American to be. Arrested my profile case in Russian six weeks after they arrested a ex-marine called paulie lines charges at the very end of last year. And what's happened is that his business rivals have been manipulating prosecutors to solve a business spewed. They are confident they will be able to show that the accusations are false and it will be exonerated. The problem is that it doesn't look like Putin necessarily shares as the Russian Justice system. What Putin said basically this meeting with Russian media at there's cheap last week was that the security services at briefed him on this and he wasn't going to interfere. And he thought that the evidence been provided to him by his very scared services list. Compelling enough to support the case. But this is as you mentioned the latest in a line of cases, foreign and domestic business people find themselves toga -ted looks like a predatory. Use of the Justice system will security services. You mentioned the case of Bill Browder. Can you just briefly remind as a couple of the other key cases before this one well bearing boss, I would they might tell you would be that this is more like the case of TNK BP BP had a fifty percent joint venture in a rational company with Thrush knowledge arks, and it turned into this spectacular corporate battle because no one had a controlling stake and the arts would battle with the for control of the JV, and this would be the JV fleeing the country alleging harassment, they're raised by security services, all sorts of strange court rulings in the middle of the night from Siberia, but there is not necessarily any greater political element to it. And the problem with that is that this is something that happens in Russia all the time. There are six thousand businessmen currently in prison on pretrial detention without even having made it to trial. On charges like this. According to the Kremlin's own business ombudsman, and this is something that Putin is frequently paid lip service to over the last ten years. There's a government working group in his state of the union address last week. He said this Kremlin think-tank the agency. I teach it initiatives needed to come up with some more ways to tackle the problem. The only issue there wife your Michael Calvi supporter. You might not be taking heart is because the person that the agency for strategic initiatives who is in charge of this very program is known of them. The man that Michael says put them in jail. Okay. This is really the last thing that Russia might seem to need right now in terms of investment because foreign direct investment fell to very low levels by last year. What is the impact on investment in the business climate of this case likely to be? Yeah. If you look at the Russian central Bank stats, far direct investment fell for about twenty seven billion to just under two billion last year and bearing Bostock's is funny succeed says it's invested nine hundred million dollars in Russian companies. That's nearly half the entire foreign direct investment. Total relies fear. Obviously, this is an extremely bad signal and lots of Russian businesses associations, even people who are liberal economic heavyweights who go back to the nineties with Putin and have his ear like Gavin. Grefe from spare Bank or Alexei coudron. The former finance minister they publicly spoken out against us. But the issue is with the geopolitical situation in the state as it is now. It is now in the Kremlin may just not care anymore because they've created a very large wealth barrier, and when talks about investing in the economy and trying to stimulate growth these days, he's mostly talking about the many state owned companies and other forms of state money that by some submits account for as much seventy percent of Russian GDP. So the issue is they don't care because there's barely any foreign direct investment. Anyway, from the west they've managed to replace some of the with investment from China, and Japan and the Gulf and China in the Gulf probably aren't going to care about what happens Michael county, the different situation. They arrested some prominent Chinese businessmen as we've seen with case. The evidently they're not worried enough about the impact on foreign direct investment to make some issue here. And there also hasn't been a comment from the White House since this happened. So they may not be feeling the pressure from the US either. Okay. So the look for foreign investment in Russia doesn't look too posted from this. Michael Calvi himself. Now, not great his first appeal against his pretrial detention tomorrow, but they've already been some other appeals from defendants in the case this week and nothing has happened. There's been some pretty prominent people who've signed letters and statements to court they include the darker runs. Alfabank real Dmitriev who runs the rush direct investment fund. That's a sovereign wealth fund does partnerships with foreign companies and funds to do private equity mostly in Russia. But as we reported this week that carry some weight is also listening to the opinions of agencies led the FSB and Putin being Putin. That is the advice that he is increasingly all the more inclined to take next Seddon. Thank you very much. Thank you. That was Neil. Buckley? Talking to max in Moscow. We'll be back with another news feature tomorrow. 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Edition 2019

Monocle 24: Midori House

29:14 min | 11 months ago

Edition 2019

"You're listening to Monaco's house view first broadcast on the eleventh of November two thousand and nineteen on monocle twenty four. This is Monaco's manacles house view. I'm Emma Nelson a very warm welcome to today's program coming up. Spain has got for more recent memories. The many countries of what. It means funds to have a far-right government. After Spain's VOX party becomes the third biggest force in Spain's Congress. How much further will the rise of right-wing politics in Europe? Go My guests Terry Stephanie. And Michael Binion will discuss that and the day's other news including Aram over the publication of an intelligence report into Russian and funding in British politics and why Francis Boulangerie are closing at an alarming rate. Plus Monaco's Jamie waters unravels. The weird world a fashion buzzwords sustainability season Lewis Concept Store and experience terms that in recent years have been bandied about Ad Nauseam. I'm Emma Nelson a monocle. House starts now and Kinda very warm welcome to today's program. I'm joined by Terry Stephanie. A political journalist and author and Michael Gagnon Foreign Affairs specialist at the Times newspaper. Welcome both close to the studio I. Spain joined many other countries in Europe this weekend by seeing the rise of the far right into its mainstream politics box of it becomes the third biggest force in the country's congress following an election that was supposed to be the political solution to the longtime Catalonian crisis. Terry what we see in Spain is unfortunately catching up with something. That's been very much part of the mainstream in European politics. Why is it taking? Spain's long don't to get to this point. I think pats because Spain has got for more recent memories The many countries of what it means to have An extreme far-right government. Yes I mean we've seen all the coverage recently of talk about reburying Franco in a in a different grave And I think you know that memory memory had been much more reason. Remember the Franco era for Spain than than say in many other countries and so there was a natural reaction against that and I think one of the things that has led to. Vox becoming more popular. Is this perception that The Spanish state is in some way under more threats. They one of their policies. This is being called to have direct rule over Catalonia in the whole Catalan issue. Seems to have Boosted their popularity has also. You've had a lot of political instability over the last few years in Spain and I think when traditional parties don't look like the answer they haven't been able to form stable government than there starts to be more info parties at at the edges indeed have been warnings at the Colonia crisis. Michael would foster the rise of the far-right because he start getting people to think about identity and place where they belong and he belongs were and that automatically creates a little vacuum. That could be filled by far-right voice. Yes indeed and of course the irony is that it was under Franco. That the Catalan is surreally Was One of the major things that caused intense desire faction with his government towards the end of his life The Catalan is who and also of course. The Basque separatists in the north of Spain. The Basque problem rumbled on with outbreaks of considerable violence in the region and assassinations and that finally has been brought. It seems to kind of peaceful and about the Catalan issue has reignited and I think this is something that is potentially very destabilizing for Spain. And and it's actually potentially very bad for bacelona itself as a regional capital. I mean flight is Capital has fled from the city and lots. Lots of people are now finding that it's better to do business elsewhere in Spain so a lot of very worried about the separatist issue and rally around a the party that appears to inherit the same tough approach to that as Franco did we have two sorts of far right that people in are beginning to identify identify. We have the extremist. All right. The stuff that scares and what's so often dressed up or something slightly more acceptable the populist far-right there's not much separate Separating them and some are saying that you you have support for the extremist right when you have. Economic Insecurity countries is facing poverty and the populist radical writers more associated but you know an identity crisis a cultural backlash arguably Spain has suffered both of those things hasn't it but it is rica economically in the recovery. So where are we looking at where Spain's going to be going because it has total political paralysis. Now well that is yes. One of the one of the difficult things is how do other parties opposed to try to combat that perception. I mean if you look in some of the countries where the the right has done well it has is. It has happened in some cases where the traditional party system was was very stuck. I mean it's interesting if we look at say take the example of Austria for instance said the the FBI appear was had come into government but in the most recent elections their support collapsed partly because of corruption allegations. And one of the reasons they had first become come prominent. Was this perception that the existing party system was was stuck. It was corrupt. Things were divided up between the larger parties in France as well. I think that was part of the The attraction of Lapenne was the idea that you know the big political parties. You had a hold over everything and those political parties have started Takoma Park. I mean you. Can't generalize over much because in every country you know there are regional differences. There are in a individual circumstances but but I think yeah. There is a strong attraction of this particularly the populist. far-right at the moment because people yeah they want to talk about their identity. They WanNa talk about where they belong. And they're a complete many places where people feel left behind and distance from central government. Wherever that may be? How popular is the populist? Right at the moment Michael I mean we've I've seen a tussle for power in the last few years especially in Europe in France micromanaged to be t to defeat the far right the Netherlands the same thing in Germany Alternative Torch Land said it was going to make headway but ultimately didn't quite get that get that grip but we have this happening in Spain now and even last week and my a new micro and the president of France is playing an anti immigration caught something in order to make himself attractive to the far right do we. Where are we in the wall with the far right well? So far. The far-right hasn't had a real breakthrough except perhaps two countries Hungary and Poland where the two governments are certainly authoritarian. Well more authoritarian hungry. But certainly what we would traditionally see as right wing and certainly populist at calling on Local calling traditional values and trying to project parties as upholders of the true national spirit and In other countries the far right on the verge of a breakthrough but at the last moment seemed to collapse Italy's classic example where Salvini tried to force an election election thinking that He would ride the wave of anti-immigrant sentiment and in the end. It didn't work. He he was sort of slightly pushed aside and his is now government. I think the interesting point is where the traditional kind of appeal to identity crisis and the more Perhaps hardline political cool nationalist right where they merge that's where you get dangers and the real worry to some extent is Germany where they have merged because the AFDC did start off as a sort of anti euro party and it was very much The dissatisfaction in eastern Germany of those who were reignited you felt excluded from the reunited Germany but the AFC now is embracing some of those very very unpleasant racist policies at least verbally. They're embracing them one associates with the Nazis and the same phrases the same kind of instinct reactions Are Coming back and that is a real worry. I don't think it's a huge for Germany itself because there are a big enough bulk of people who feel that never again but it is that Terry. How do you feel about the fact? We're having this conversation today. In two thousand and nineteen two days often many celebrated the fall of the Berlin Wall. I think Michael's exactly right. Say that the after. He has grown in popularity recently. But I think there's support low is extending further is still very highly concentrated in the old East Yes as we remembering thirty years since the Berlin Wall. It's it's just it's striking how much the politics of the old East Germany still Different from from many in the West But I think it's not all as the sperm you look at some of these policies. For instance in Hungary the local elections finish actually did surprisingly badly They lost the mayoralty of Budapest. For instance. Now that may be the liberals in the city's deciding that we have had enough of this but you know there is still an electoral will wear out and I think the parties of the mainstream parties at the center just need to think more carefully about how exactly they tackle that threat. Let's move on to another story politics of old and new. How much has Russia been meddling in British politics? We may never know. There's the publication of parliamentary report. That investigated just that was blocks last week by number ten Downing Street but that hasn't stopped the press from trying to find out the Sunday Times yesterday claimed that no fewer than nine Russian business people have donated money to the Conservative Party and they were named in the document Michael in working on the inside of the time. Tell us a little bit about more about what is being in claimed in this article and the fantasy claims of being made of pretty of absent illegal activities he yes well. It's largely donations to the conservative Conservative Party. From prominent oligarchs or Russian residents in Britain or those with access to a lot of money giving money as it were under under the counter not necessarily open clear political donations and the conservative simply accepting the money because very useful and and cozying up to some of these people. Now how how much that is. Organized Russian infiltration of the British political system. I think is open to doubt. I mean the fact that they're Russians rather than say Nigerians Syrians or Chinese or other people makes it immediately kind of conspiracy that this is a criminal organized plot. Now I have no doubt at all these other guys. Alex do find it useful to keep in with what they think are going to be the the people who tend to regulate their That taxes or status or less stay in Britain and indeed. They all worried about the fact that Britain has finally decided that dirty money is not welcome in this country and The Conservatives probably overwhelmingly but perhaps also so other parties have been turning a blind eye to these oligarchs coming in with pots of money. That's been illegally earned on the basis of corruption. or or whatever and giving it to the juries Terry would you agree with Michael Just said. Forgive me if I summarize it what's happening here is these are just mainly rich. People who just happen to be Russian and as opposed to Russians. Who happened to be rich or meddling in British politics? Yes lovely. I seem neither of US have would not arrest of seeing the report yet which is precisely you know. What's the issue here? I think the question is of many donors who are by origin Russian but have since become British citizens since living in Britain. Because if they were you know you're not allowed to donate to political parties. If you're not a British citizen British resident so I I think one of the problems that's happened here is just because this report was due to be published before the election because it hasn't come out there is room for for huge amounts of speculation about what exactly is in it. And what exactly is alleged that the government says. We're not going to publish this report in the run up to the election. The more people can speculate about it And so we don't know exactly what's what's being initially we don't know the level of influence that is is being suggest. Obviously we'll see some people have have leaked. Some of the testimony and in some of this is coming out now put in A. It might be a better idea if the government did publish this report. Oh now I think it's highly extremely unlikely that we're going to see it Before the election and even after the election they will have to be a new intelligence and security committee that's composed according according to whoever whoever wins in the balance of the party so this could be really kicked into the long grass well into the new year which I think really is worrying Michael. We are in the situation now are arguably arguably more ten years ago twenty years ago. If someone said there is the suggestion that the Russians have been meddling again in British politics then the press would be all over it and we would not hear at the end of it but now in a state now with the electric. Frankly doesn't care so much on all his aggressions medal everywhere which unfortunately they tend. Tend to how much it's effective. How much wrong plot and how much attention the bridge electric pays to? What the Kremlin is doing? Frankly I think is has been wildly over overplayed Yes the Russians can't resist mentioning whenever there's a chance they have done. I mean that's that's what they do. I mean but what would what would Russians with with little old single interior possible mischief. Could they make Z.. Britain's still quite a key member of NATO Russia's still does find NATO's something of an Anathema Latham A- and if the West is strong and united and taking a tough stand on Ukraine and other areas where the Russians have vital interests that's not to Moscow's advantage advantage and therefore a slightly fragmented West and particularly west. That's really not united on main issues of defense security or solidarity and all that that is is to Russia's possible advantage at least if you think in zero sum games which unfortunately the Kremlin always does so You know the chance for just causing using mischief is sometimes welcome but how much it's organized and most important how much it's successful. I very much. I have my dog slim thing that we don't really sort of think about in the EU sanctions should be stopping. All this happening I would assume it depends what The origin of the money. And what the what. The citizenship is of in a particular individuals concerned. Because you know if you may have come from Russia you may have long since come from Russia and be of a very strong opponent of the Kremlin after all. There are plenty of Russian. The people in in Britain. He disliked Putin as as much as as many other people. I think one of the other things we should also be concerned about the. We don't really really know to what extent this report covers is The effects of online activities and the effect of in a trolls and social media people people trying to influence the debate in that sense and I think that is another A very worrying area this impacts not as obvious as donating large sums of money or having people in positions of influence silence. But you know these kind of troll farms that are sending out trying to influence the online as well and let's not forget Michael that we do have a famous Russian oligarch. Iran's one one of the United Kingdom influential newspapers Lebedev an evening standard. I mean that's that's hiding in plain sight isn't it a great fan of Putin and and I wouldn't necessarily say the standard is one of the most decent London paper but yes I his influence. His criminal links wchs are very very Removed from the daily coverage of news in the Evening Standard. I think too many in too many people he has been in an exemplary owner. His Promoted the paper when it was in difficulties. He's managed to rescue it from possible closure. And he as you say is not necessarily a mouthpiece for the Kremlin by any means and the fact that he is of Russian origin well various people are. I mean Rupert Murdoch is Australian. Arjun does that matter does introduces policies. identing so Michael. Binion and Terry Stares Ni thank you. We'll be back in just a moment but first Monaco's Marcus Hippie. With some of the other stories. We're the following today. Thanks to people are in critical condition following a day off violent protests in Hongkong. One protester was injured when he was shot at close range. By a member of the city-state's please while a pro Beijing activists was also doused in flammable liquid and set alight after arguing with protesters Bolivian. CBS President Evo Morales resigned. After nearly fourteen years in power they had of the country's army called on Morales to cede power following mass demonstrations over his disputed election win. The outgoing president claims that he's the victim of a coup by Bolivia's generals and two Australian states have declared a state of emergency us the country's deadly bushfires are expected to get much worse. The Fire Sav already killed three people and destroyed hundreds of homes in a new South Wales and Queensland the state of emergency last for seven days and allows the fire service to direct government agencies. Those are the headlines. Smell back to you emma. Thank you very much indeed. Marcus this is Monaco's house few I'm Emma Nelson and joining me in the studio Michael Bainian and Terry stazzone. The TORI or bakery has been one of the great social economic and cultural beget shaped pillow French village life. The QS for bread that chatter and the sense of community munity will make up not just an important internal part of society but the rest of the world is part of what makes France so very French but no longer bakery's bakery's closing across the country's villages with a reluctance by the younger generation to enter a profession full of nighttime working and Burns Terry the last time I was driving through the French countryside. I couldn't find a French boulangerie. What about you know I? My my parents live in French village chapter and verse. I think the ones that are doing well. Some some of them are chain bakeries so a lot of people much like the rest of us in elsewhere in Europe are going to buy that breads in the supermarket. Because it's easy to park and it's easy to drive to and you're not perhaps going to your traditional little local bakery in the village and they're quite a lot. A lot of big chains now have got into the bakery market and again they are getting a lot of the custom Yeah in in the south near where my when my family are you find a lot of closed down but then you also find some little local businesses that are starting up trying to appeal perhaps to this higher end of the market making their own jam making more more traditional kind of old fashioned bread rather than the big Mass produced type. So I think it's it's it's all despair but certainly the situation is changing. It's a situation that's changing and Michael. It's it's how much actually is this part of French society. I mean There's an article in the New York Times talking about the demise of you've French village life because of this village life that has been so closely knit into the interferon external headset. Soft power. When you have novels such as Madame ver-very Flaubert depicting a certain time and time in French history which is just steeped in village life in its influence over people's lives and I think that's what the significance of this debate is all about? It's really more to do with is still focus for village life. Balaj Abe's where the place where he would meet in Chattanooga get in the morning to gossip neighbors. It's not so central say to British life but then other things are pubs. All the post office say a little villages are losing those fairly rapidly and all industrialized countries are facing this problem of keeping alive their rural communities in an and age where bigger means better and faster means leaving behind those who are not to collude in or wider apple. Whatever and I think there is a real nostalgia did you for way of life that is vanishing fast and that is very much in France? centered around the the bakeries. And then the next essential threat to the French identity given the fact that every time you do by by by gets you see tradition written all over absolutely everything now if you have a new generation of French people who could forgive them for saying no. I'm not going to get up at two o'clock in the morning to make to make bread for everybody. You you actually start to drill deeply into a country's identity don't you yes. I think it's baked in hearty even the French state. Stay in some of the controversies about the bakeries. have been to do with how much the French state actually regulates the selling of bread and it comes from the revolution in the keeping. The price of bread down has been really important thing and it's only in the last few decades that they've stopped saying this is the maximum price by get but you know the French government legislated about the opening opening hours that they have to open every day they legislated about when bakeries because can take their summer holidays and things like that are still governed by the state and as Franz tries to reform so that certain things and then the other things Do Fall Fall by the wayside. Su yes. It is very very key to French identity but I don't you think you know gluten free. I don't think has caught on as much yet. In France giving up by gets completely the way you speak suggest the idea of bread as what some person is described does the municipal service I mean that that reliance on the state that people have to ensure that people are fed. It's quite simple in France in that and that's all the lots of other countries have lost. It's pretty basic. I mean if you look at the Russian revolution read was one of the key demands and in fact throughout Soviet Times Times bread was also very kathleen regulated. It was very very cheap so much that people often buying it just to feed the ducks and it was. It was very good quality actually Louis and since the fall of communism that importance on bread has more or less vanished because it was ideological importance on bread the communist felt that this was the basic provisions nfo ordinary general Russian people and it was essential duty of the state to provide it. Well that's gone and I think that's gone throughout much of the Western world today Russian duck. Finally we cannot express how agonizing this experiences for US Brits gathered in studio expressing ourselves because a survey has indicated indicated that more than half of UK. People are shy and cripplingly. Slow so Michael you shy. I think I'm not. I think think I ought to be a bit. It would be better for me if I was rather people has a bit more shy. Probably I think I was quite China's about sixteen or seventeen. Yes I was quite shy and particularly with with goals I mean. I think this is typical of adolescence but I think I've sort of got over that. I mean I've been around long enough to stop stopping Sean. How about you terry? As it sounds strange for somebody who's spent rather fifteen minutes talking in public But no I am still massively shy in in two years normal social situations that involved as me expressing my opinions to willing audience. Yes I think it's very British thing it is. This idea reserved not wanting to trouble people wanting to understand the rules by which society operates not being entirely confident about that. I mean one of my favorite. The twitter accounts is the very British problems accounts. which always gives you the interpretation of what British people say and what they really mean? If you've watched fleabag recently as brilliant alien scene where her sister they have a cafe. That has a chatty Wednesday and everybody is supposed to go into the caffeine talk to each other and the sister just goes no no no no I can when she couldn't deal with this idea that you could go to a cafe and talk to strangers. Being shy doesn't help you if you're a diplomat does it Michael or does it because when one wonders how this whole issue shift. Shyness fits into the ability of Britain to and British diplomats to actually make that Kelly case fell to make their voices heard across the world. Yes well shyness is not quite. The same as reserve reserve is Keeping Oh opinions. Joe Self not expressing emotions that shyness is a kind of crippling lack of self confidence. Now if you're a a diplomat You can be Fath- you're not shy at all but you need to keep play. Play your cards close to your chest. I mean the definition of a diplomat especially British. One is someone who thinks twice before he says nothing And then you just keep your chest and do. The Brits have a reputation for for shyness or is When other countries have to do with this certain reserve yes absolutely? We don't open out to others Very easily But on the other hand people say that when you get to know British people. They are quite warm and friendly in their emotions and in their expression of any each other in individual responses to other people but I think we're still reserved. What we don't like doing is making a fuss? We don't like to raise our hands and be the only one say that's wrong. I protest about whereas UC franchise talion much more vocal. And make your house or something. I don't like a grander scale. Though that we quite kick up a fuss amine one need only think about our relationship with the European Union. We have been very shy sitting there quietly on the sidelines not wishing to do anything apart from say no half the time. I wonder whether individually were quite a shy bunch. Terry very nice confessed to being with you. I absolutely love being the person who asks the questions. Woe betide anyone asks me anything and yes. I'm sitting in a dark room on my own talking to myself. That's what radio is all title bout but then when we come as an international facing country quite light to kick up a fuss don't we. I think we're probably quite good at being passive aggressive at sort sort of saying well. I don't want to cause any trouble spots. Actually we just want to leave. This is the way it's phrased. You're not necessarily going to kick up a big fuss but A stoically standing there and being difficult fusses is a different matter. Terry stazzone and Michael vinian thank you very much indeed for joining us in a moment. Monaco's Jamie waters and why we need less buzzwords and more action in the world of retail. You're listening to Monaco's house with Emma Nelson Stay tuned. Uh and if you've just joined us a very warm welcome to Monaco's house few I'm Emma Nelson and finally today Monaco's Fashion Edison. Jamie waters examines the state of his profession's voice and vocabulary lost weight go table. Serrao a menswear AFICIONADO. Who runs the PREJEAN? Vintage shop posted a photo on his instagram. It's caption and read. The word vintage is now dead it has been so overused. It's become meaningless. I will not use it anymore to define what I do. It was an incisive comments on buzzword fashion like other industries from food film. Loves a quick sellable phrase to vintage. We can add sustainability stain ability season Lewis concept store and experience as terms that embrace it years have been bandied about Ad Nauseam. They have always been concepts particularly popular at any moment. Get social media which thrives on Punchy captions and PD hashtags surely means labels become exhausted. Quicker than ever. The thing is many of the words. Does your to note important ideas. Fashion branch should be engaging with sustainable practices physical Retailers should be offering interesting experiences if they're to get shoppers of laptops. The key is to actually do these things rather than merely using the birds connected today sedan. A selling ploys. Maybe we just need to come up with some alternative jargon. Thanks extolled fashioned Edison Jamie waters there. And that's all we have time for. Today's program Monaco's house view was produced by Marcus. hippy and researched by nick to me and Giacomo Hoffa oppa a studio managers Zoe. 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Bonus Edition: Michael Cohen vs. the Committee with No Bull

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Bonus Edition: Michael Cohen vs. the Committee with No Bull

"I'm Elena Kagan. And this is the law fair podcast, February twenty seventh two thousand nineteen on Wednesday. Michael Cohen, the former executive vice president of the Trump organization. Former deputy finance chairman of the Republican National Committee and former personal lawyer to Donald Trump paid a visit to the house committee on oversight and reform Cohen accused the president of campaign finance violations after taking office he alleged that he was present. When Roger stone gave Trump advance notice of the Wiki leaks, dump of the hacked DNC emails, and he claimed that the president's statements in a meeting with Jay secular, oh lead Cohen to conclude that the president wanted Cohen to make false statements to congress. So we cut out all the bickering all the procedural obstructions and all the rest of the formality to leave you with just one hour of law fair related testimony that you need to hear. It's the law fair podcast bonus edition, Michael Cohen versus the committee with noble. Recognize that some of you may doubt an attack on my credibility. It is for this reason that I have incorporated into this opening statement documents that are irrefutable. And demonstrate that the information you will hear is accurate and truthful. I lied to congress with Mr. Trump stop negotiating the Moscow tower project in Russia. I stayed that we stopped to go sheeting in January of twenty sixteen that was false our negotiations continued for months later during the campaign. Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. That's not how he operates. In conversations we had during the campaign at the same time. I was actively negotiating in Russia for him. He would look me in the eye and tell me there's no Russian business and then go on to lie to the American people by saying the same thing in his way, he was telling me to lie. There were at least a half a dozen times between the Iowa caucus in January of two thousand sixteen and the end of June. When he would ask me, how's it going in Russia referring to the Moscow tower project? You need to know that Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to congress about the timing of the Moscow tower negotiations before I gave it so to be clear. Mr. Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it. And so I lied about it too. Because Mr. Trump and made clear to me to his personal statements to me that we both knew to be false and through his lies to the country that he wanted me to lie, and he made it clear to me because his personal attorneys reviewed my statement before I gave it to congress. A lot of people have asked me about whether Mr. Trump knew about the release of the documents Democratic National Committee, Email ahead of time and the. Answer is. Yes. As earlier stated Mr. Trump new from Roger stone in advance about the WikiLeaks drop v males in July of twenty sixteen days before the democratic convention. I was in Mr. Trump's office when his secretary announced that Roger stone was on the phone. Mr. Trump put Mr. stone on the speakerphone. Mr. stone told Mr. Trump that he had just gotten off the phone with Julian Assange, and Mr. Stange told Mr. stone that within a couple of days that would be a massive dump of emails that would damage Hillary Clinton's campaign. Mr. Trump responded by stating to the effect when that be great. I'm giving to the committee today. Three years of Mr. Trump's personal financial statements from twenty eleven twenty twelve and twenty thirteen which he gave to Deutsche Bank to inquire about a loan to buy the Buffalo Bills and two forms. It was my experience that Mr. Trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthiest people in informs and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. I'm sharing with you to newspaper articles side-by-side that are examples of Mr. Trump inflating and deflating his assets as I said to soothe his financial interests as I noted. I'm giving the committee today article he wrote on and sent to me that reported on an auction of a portrait of Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump directed me to find a straw bidder to purchase a portrait of him that was being auctioned off at an art Hamptons event. The objective was to ensure that this portrait which was going to be auctioned last would go for the highest price of any portrait that afternoon. The portrait was purchased by the fake bidder for sixty thousand dollars Mr. Trump directed the Trump foundation, which is supposed to be a charitable organization to repay the fake bidder. Despite keeping the art for himself, and I'm giving the committee today it copy of the one hundred thirty thousand dollar wire transfer from me to miss Clifford's attorney during the closing days of the presidential campaign. That was demanded. I miss Clifford to maintain her silence about her affair with Mr. Trump. Questions have been raised about whether I know of direct evidence that Mr. Trump or his campaign colluded with Russia. I do not and I wanna be clear, but I have my suspicions sometime in the summer of twenty seventeen. I read all over the media that there had been a meeting in Trump Tower in June of twenty sixteen involving Don jR, and others from the campaign with Russians including a Representative of the Russian government and in Email setting up the meeting with the subject line dirt on Hillary Clinton, something clicked in my mind. I remember being in a room with Mr. Trump probably in early June of twenty sixteen when something peculiar happened. Don, Trump junior came into the room and walked behind his father's desk, which in and of itself was unusual. People didn't just walk behind Mr. Trump's desk to talk to him. And I recall, Don, jR, leave leaning over to his father and speaking in a low voice, which I could clearly here and saying the meeting is all set, and I remember Mr. Trump saying, okay, good. Let me know Don, jR, would never set up any meeting of significance alone. And certainly not without checking with his father. I also knew that nothing went on in Trump world, especially the campaign without Mr. Trump's knowledge and approval. So I concluded that Don, jR, was referring to that June twenty sixteen Trump Tower meeting about dirt on Hillary with the Russian representatives when he walked behind his dad's desk that day, and that Mr. Trump knew that was the meeting Don, jR, was talking about when he said, that's good. Let me know. And I'm happy to answer the committee's questions. Now, the president has also made numerous statements that turned out to be inaccurate. For example. He said he knew nothing about the hush money payments to miss Clifford. And his twenty seventeen financial disclosure form said he'd never owed money to reimburse you for those payments. Yet in your testimony, Mr. going, you said that you met with the president in the Oval Office in February twenty seventeen and discussed his plans to reimburse you for money you paid. You say he told you and I quote, don't worry, Michael, you're Daniel worry and February reimbursement checks are coming. Is that accurate and was that an Oval Office. The statement is accurate, but the discussions regarding the reimbursement occurred long before he became president. Would you explain that? Back in twenty seventeen. When actually apologize in twenty sixteen prior to the election. I was. Contacted by Keith Davidson who is the attorney or was the attorney from miss Clifford for stormy Daniels and after several rounds of conversations with him about purchasing her life rights for one hundred and thirty thousand dollars what I did each. And every time he's goes straight into Mr. Trump's office and discussed the issue with him when it was ultimately determined. This was days before the election that Mr. Trump was going to pay the one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. In the office with me was in Weisselberg. The chief financial officer of the Trump organization. He knowledged Allen that he was going to pay the hundred and thirty thousand and that Allen, I should go back to his office and figure out how to do it. So yes, sir. I stand by the statement that I gave there was a history to it in your testimony. You have you said you bought some some effects is that right? You said you bought them checks? Yes, sir. Let me ask you about one of these. And this. From the Trump trust that holds the. President businesses. Can you tell me who signed this? I believe that the top signature is Donald Trump junior. And the bottom signature. I believe is Alan Weisselberg 's and can you tell me the date of that check? March seventeenth of twenty seventeen. Now. Wait a minute hold up to date on the check is after President Trump held his big press conference claiming that he gave up control of his businesses. How could the president have arranged for you to get this set if he was supposedly playing no role in his business? Because the payments were designed to be paid over the course of twelve months, and it was. To Claire to be a we -tainer for services that would be provided for the year. Of two thousand seventeen was ever agreement. There is no retainer agreement. What Don jR, or Mr. Weisselberg have more information about that? Mr. Weisselberg for sure about the entire discussions and negotiations prior to the election and Don, jR, would have. Cursory information. Now, here's another one this one appears to be signed by Donald Trump. Himself is that his signature? That is Donald Trump signature. So let me make sure I understand Donald Trump wrote you a check out of his personal account while he was serving as president of the United States of America to reimburse you for hush money payments. Simmons Clifford is that what you are telling the American people today. Yes. Mr Chairman one final question. The president claimed he knew nothing about these payments is ethics volleying said he owed nothing to you based on your conversations with him. Is there any doubt in your mind? The President Trump knew exactly what he was paying for. There is no doubt in my mind. And I truly believe there's no doubt in the minds of the people of the United States of America. Mr. Wasserman Schultz, Mr. Coleman is that your testimony that Mr. Trump had advance knowledge of the Russia WikiLeaks released to the DNC's emails. Can't I cannot answer that in a yes, or no he had advanced notice that there was going to be a dump of emails, but at no time did I hear the specificity of what those emails were going to be. But you do testified today that he had advanced knowledge of their of their intimate imminent release. That that is what I stated in my testimony cheered that outcome. Just did Mr. Trump likely shared this information with his daughter, Ivanka son, Don, jR, or Jared, Kushner, I'm not aware of was Ivanka Jared or Don jR, still involved in the in the Russian tower deal at that time. The company was involved in the deal, which meant that the family was involved in the deal, if Mr. Trump and his daughter, Ivanka and son, Donald Donald junior are involved in the rump in the indie Russia and Trump Tower deal is it possible the whole family is convict conflicted or compromise with a foreign adversary and the months before the election. Yes. Based on your experience with the president and knowledge of his relationship with Mr. stone. Do you have reason to believe that the president explicitly or implicitly authorized, Mr. stone to make contact with WikiLeaks and to indicate the campaigns interest in the strategic release of these legally hacked materials, I'm not aware of that was Mr. stone, a free agent reporting back to the president what he had done or was he and agent of the campaign acting on behalf of the president and with his apparent authority. No, he was a free agent free agent. That was reporting back to the president what he had done. Correct frequently reached out to Mr. Trump, and Mr. Trump was very happy to take his calls. It was free service. Roger stone says he never spoke with Mr. Trump about WikiLeaks. How can we cooperate corroborate? What you are saying. I don't know. But I suspect that the special counsel's office and other. Government agencies. Have the information that you're seeking? We'll be onto a little later in two thousand sixteen a major WikiLeaks dump happens hours after the access Hollywood tape is released. Do you believe or are you aware of Mr. Trump coordinating or signaling for this E mail dump? I'm the wherever that I actually was not even in the country at the time of the Billy Bush tape. I was in London visiting my daughter knowing how Mr. Trump operates with his winning at all costs mentality. Do you? Believe that he would cooperate or collude with a foreign power to win the presidency is he capable of that. Calls on so much speculation meme it's it would be unfair for me to tremendous amounts of experience. Mr. Trump divides it and he's all about winning. And he will do what is necessary, and we are at a win and experience would he have the potential to cooperate or collude with foreign power to win the presidency at all costs? Yes. Based on what you know, would Mr. Trump or did he lie about colluding and coordinating with the Russians at any point during the campaign? So as I stated in my testimony, I wouldn't use the word colluding. Was there something odd about the back and forth prays with President Putin? Yes. But I'm not really sure that I can answer that question in terms of collusion. I was not part of the campaign. I don't know what the other conversations that Mr. Trump had with other individuals. There's just so many dots that all seem to lead to the same direction before my time expires, Mr. Cohen. The campaign and the entire Trump organization appeared to be filthy with Russian contact. There are Russian business contacts. There are campaign Russia Russian contacts. There are lies about all of those contacts. And then we have Roger stone informing the president just before the democratic national convention that these that WikiLeaks was going to drop documents in the public arena that we knew at that point were hacked and stolen by Russia from the Democratic National Committee gentle lady's time has expired you may enter in art, my my question is given all those connections is it likely that Donald Trump was fully aware and had every intent of working with Russia to help make sure that he could win the presidency at all costs. So let me say that this is a matter that's currently being handled by the house. Select in the Senate Select Intelligence committees. So I would rather not answer that specific question of than just to tell you that Mr. Trump's desire to win. Would have him work with anyone and one of the thing that I had said in my statement is that when it came to the Trump Tower Moscow project, it was worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and we never expected to win the election. So this was just business as usual, miss chairman. I'd like to yield remaining about time to the the ranking member recycling. How many times you talked to the special counsel's office? Seven. Did they talk to you at all in preparation for today's hearing between the seven times you talked to him prior to your sentencing. Have you had any conversations with the special counsel's office between sentencing today? I'm sorry. I didn't understand your question. You talked to him seven times. That's in the sentencing memorandum's that were in front of the court back in December. What I'm asking is. How many times have you talked to the special counsel's office since then? Up to today's appearance here in congress do gentlemen time has expired. You may answer the question now that one I'm sorry. I don't have the answer to that. Not only. How many how many times did the president Michael ask you are direct you to try to reach settlements with women and twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen. I'm sorry, ma'am. I don't I don't have the answer tonight. I'd have to go back and try to recollect. It's certainly the two that we know about and. Why why do you think the president did not provide the accurate information in his 2017 financial disclosure form? What was he trying to hide he corrected other forms, but he didn't correct. This one. The payments on the reimbursement of the funds that I extend it on his behalf. Can you elaborate more? Going back into the story as I stated when we Alan Weisselberg, and I left the office, and we went to his office in order to make the determination on how that money was going to be wired to the I o love the interest on the lawyers account for Keith Davidson in California, I had asked Alan to use his money didn't want to use mine, and he said he couldn't and we then decided how else we can do it. And he asked me whether or not know anybody who wants to have a party at one of his clubs that could pay me instead or somebody who may have wanted to become a member of one of the golf clubs, and I also don't have anybody that was interested in that. And it got to the point where it was down to the wire. It was either we somebody a wire the funds and purchased the life rights to the story from miss Clifford or it was going to. End up being sold to television. And that would have embarrassed the president, and it would have interfered with the election, but the president has never amended his 2017 form to this day. And while you're facing the consequences of going to jail. He is not by believe that they amended a financial disclosure form. And there's a footnote somewhere buried, I don't recall specifically what it says there is a footnote buried somewhere. Can you describe Michael to the American people catch and kill? Catching kill is a method that exists when you working with a news outlet in. This specific case was a national choir. David pecker, Dylan Howard, and others. What are they would contact me or Mr. Trump or someone in state that there's a story that's percolating out there that you may be interested in and then what you do is you contact that individual? And you purchase the rights to that story from them. And and you practice this for the president. I was involved in several of these catching kill episodes. These catching kill scenarios existed between David pecker, and Mr. Trump long before I started working for him in two thousand and seven. Michael, can you suggest who else this committee should talk to for additional information on this or anything else? Yes. I believe David Becker Dylan Howard, Barry LeVine of AM. I is well. Alan Weisselberg, Alan garden, Trump organizations. Well. Mr. Lynch, I wanna ask you. In your filing with these special counsel Muller's office the prosecutor's wrote, and I quote, Mr. Cohen discussed the status of an progress of the Moscow project with individual one on more than the three occasions. Mr. Cohen claimed to the committee and he briefed family members of individual one with the company about the project. I know this is redundant. But Mr. Cohen who we ferring to hear when we refer to individual one, Donald J Trump. Okay. And the company the Trump organization, okay? Through a subsidiary. Okay. And who were the family members that you briefed on the Trump Tower Moscow project, Don Trump junior and Yvonne ca Trump okay now with these in the regular course of business under the president or family request of things. This isn't a regular course of business. Do you recall? There's a question on the number of briefings. Do you recall how many they might have been? I'm sorry, sir. Do you recall? How many of these briefings might have been? Approximately ten okay in total. All right. And your written remarks? You also wrote and I quote there at least a half dozen times between the Iowa caucus in January two thousand and sixteen and the end of June. When Mr. Trump would ask me, how's it going in Russia referring to the Russia Moscow towel project? How did the president communicate those questions to you was verbally all the phone verbally most of the time virtually all of the time. It would say he would say to me Michael come woke me he was heading to say a rally to a car, and as I walk into the elevator. He would ask me questions quickly regarding series of there being shout about what he was referring to in terms of the project and Russia. No, this would be it. Okay. Otherwise, there would have been no reason to ask it of me. Right. Right. You also wrote and I quote to be clear, Mr. Trump knew of and directed the Trump Moscow negotiations throughout the campaign and lied about it close, quote, how did how did the president actually direct negotiations? If she tales did he after each communication that. I had I would report back to him. And our goal was to get this project. We were interested in building. What would have been the largest building in all of Europe without a the Jemma from Arizona now. Are you familiar with rule thirty five of the federal rules in criminal procedures? I am now. Oh, the committee understands that you've been in contact with the southern district of New York is that true. I am in constant contact with the southern district of New York regarding ongoing investigations and part of that application is to reduce sentencing time is it not yet. There is a possibility. Did you know, it's not, sir. Yes. It is. Okay. It's not an so testimony. Here could actually help you out and getting your sentence lesson. Isn't that true? I'm not really sure how my appearance here today is providing substantial information that the southern district can use for the creation of a case. Now, if there is something that this group can do for me. I would gladly welcome it to miss anything. Thanks gentleman for yielding Mr. Cohen in your sentencing statement to the court and in December of last year. You said I want to apologize to the people of the United States, you deserve to know the truth. Approximately a month later. Buzzfeed news rent a story that was these story in the country for a couple of days Busby story ran January seventeenth twenty nine thousand nineteen on January. Eighteenth, your council went on TV and wouldn't confirm or deny the story. The next day. The special counsel's office did something that's never happened. Never happened. They said the description of specific statements to the special counsel's office in the characterization of documents and test. Tony obtained by this office regarding Michael Cullen's. Congressional testimony are not accurate. Why didn't your lawyer the day that he's on TV? When this story is the biggest thing in the news in the country. Why didn't he deny the BuzzFeed story? Because I didn't think it was his responsibility to do that. We are not the fact checkers for BuzzFeed, Mr. Connelly. Now, Mr. Cohen, I want to ask you about something that's not in your testimony that so far it has not been made public. In our committee staff search of documents provided by the White House that we're otherwise redacted or already in the public, and I guess the White House thought that was funny. They made one mistake the White House. There was an Email from a special assistant to the president to a deputy White House counsel, and the Email is dated may sixteenth twenty seventeen and it says, and I quote Podesta's meaning the president requested the meeting Thursday with Michael Cohen and j Secolo any idea what this might be about end quote. Do you recall being asked to come to the White House on her around that time? With Mr. Sekula. May up twenty seventeen. Off the top of my head, sir. I don't I recall being in the White House with Jay Secolo was in regard to the. The documents the document production as well as my appearance before the house select Intel, but I'm not sure if that's Pacific -ly. Well, but what I will do is. I will check all my records, and I'm more than happy to provide you with any documentation or a response to this question. Well, that's you sort of touched on the presumably the purpose of the discussion at least among others this occurred. This meeting occurred just before your testimony before the select committee intelligence here in the house. Is that correct? I believe so. Yes, was that a topic of conversation with the president himself? If this is the specific instance that I was there with Mr. Secolo. Yes. So you had a conversation with the president of the United States about urine, pending testimony before the house intelligence committee. Is that correct? That's correct. What was the nature of that conversation? He wanted to meet to cooperate. He also want to just ensure by making the statement. And I said it in my testimony there is no Russia. There is no collusion. There is no. There is no deal. He goes, it's all the witch hunt. And it's he does this stuff has to end. Did you take those comments to be? Suggestive of what might flavor your testimony? He's been saying that to me for many, many months and at the end of the day. I knew exactly what he wanted me to say. And why was Mr. Secolo in the meeting? Because he was going to be representing Mr. Trump. Going forward as one of his personal attorneys in this matter. So it was sort of a handoff meeting. Correct. In any way. Final question did the president in any way from your point of view coach you in terms of how to respond to questions or the content of your testimony before house committee, again, it's too difficult to answer because he doesn't tell you what he wants what he does is again, Michael. There's no Russia. There's no collusion. There's no involvement is no interference. I know what he means because I've been around him for so long. So if you're asking me whether or not that's the message that staying on point. That's the party line that he created that. So many others are now touting yes, that's the best edge that he wanted to reinforce Mr. Raskin. Are you aware of anything that the president has done at home or abroad that may have subjected him to or may subject him to extortion are blackmail? I am not. No, okay. Are you aware of any? The videotapes that may be the subject of extortion or blackmail. I've heard about these tapes for a long time. I've had many people contact me over the years. I have no reason to believe that that tape exists. Why did Trump endeavor to hide his relationship with Felix sater's, and what was his relationship? Well, he certainly had a relationship Felix was a partner in the company called bayrock that was involved in the deal of the Trump SoHo hotel as well as I believe the Trump Fort Lauderdale project. Why did he want to distance himself? That's what Mr. Trump does he distances himself when things go bad for someone and at that point in time Lewis going bed for Mr. Seder. You said you lied to congress about Trump's negotiations to build his Moscow tower because he'd made it clear to you that he wanted you to lie. One of the reasons you knew this is because quote, Mr. Trump's personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to congress about the timing of the Moscow tower negotiations before I gave it so this is a pretty breathtaking claim, and I just want to get to the facts here. Which specific lawyers reviewed in edited your statement to congress on the Moscow tower negotiations and did they make any changes your statement? There were changes made additions J Secolo for one where they're changes about the timing. The question of time as expired you may answer that were. Several changes that were made including how we were going to handle that message. Yes. But be that as it may my first question concerns your relationship with the court. Do you expect? I mean, right now, I think your your sense to three years. Correct. That's correct. Do you expect any time using this testimony other testimony after you get done doing whatever you're going to do this week you ever expect to go back and ask for any sort of reduction sentence? Yes, there are ongoing investigations currently being conducted that have nothing to do with this committee or congress that I am assisting in and it is for the benefit of a rule thirty five motion. Yes. You suggested that the president sometimes communicates is wishes indirectly, for example. You said. Quote, Mr. Trump did not directly tell me to lie to congress. That's not how he operates end quote. Can you explain how he does this? Sure. It would be no different. If I said, that's the nicest looking tie I've ever seen, isn't it? What are you gonna do? You gonna fight with him. The answer is. No. So yeah, it's the nicest looking tired I've ever seen. That's how he speaks. He doesn't give you questions. He doesn't give you orders. He speaks in a code. And I understand the code because I've been around Tim for a decade at it's your impression that others who work for him understand the code is. Well, most people. Yes. Mr. Cohen in November two thousand and thirteen President Donald Trump testified under oath in a lawsuit related to the failed real estate project, Trump International hotel and tower in Fort Lauderdale during the deposition, President Trump was asked about his knowledge of Felix Seder a Russian born real estate developer and convicted member of the Russian mafia who according to press reports but guilty for his role in a forty million stock manipulation scheme. It is worth noting as well publicized, the direct relationship between the Russian mafia and the Kremlin over the years. President Trump was asked how many times he interacted with convicted Russian mobster Felix Seder in two thousand thirteen President Trump testified that quote, not many if he were sitting in the room right now. I really wouldn't know what he looked like unquote. Mr. Cohen as you. Previously testified isn't it? True that President Trump new convicted Russian mobster Felix sater's or in two thousand and thirteen when he made that statement. Yes. Isn't it true that because of Mr. sater's relationship to the Trump organization that he had an office in the Trump Tower and on the twenty sixth floor, Mr. Trump, the twenty six four is important why because it's Mr. Trump's floor. So he had an office on the same for as President Trump. In fact, his office when he left became my office. It isn't it also true that convicted Russian mobster Seder even had business cards indicating that he was a senior adviser to Donald Trump as reported by the Washington Post. Yes. Did convicted Russian mobster Seder pay rent for his office. No, he did not. So based on those facts, isn't it true? That President Trump misled at best or worse. Lied under oath. Yes. In December two thousand fifteen President Trump was asked again about his relationship to convicted Russian mobster, Mr. Seder by reporter for the Associated Press. He stated quote Felix Sater, boy, I have to even think about it, unquote. He added, quote, I'm not that familiar with him, unquote, Mr. clone. Where would we find business records that explain the president's relationship to the convicted Russian mobster Felix sater's would those be in the Trump organizations files? They'd be in the Trump organization's files that would be CC's too bayrock, which was the name of Mr. Seder's company. I suspect on Mr. sater's Email address possibly hard files in possession of Mr. Seda. And when you say in possession of the Trump organization where? It depends upon who the attorney was that was working on it. Now, it would probably be in a box. Offsite. They have storage facility that they old files it addict in addition to convicted Russian mobster Seder, do you know of any other ties to convicted or alleged mobsters, President Trump may have I am not aware. Is it true that many people with ties to Russia ultimately bought condos and Trump properties usually for cash? And if so how many are we talking ten twenty fifty sir. I'm not aware of any statement. That was referring to I believe is made by the record, Don and. I I don't agree with it. So are you aware of any cash purchases by Russian oligarchs and family members of Trump properties? I'm not aware of that. I can tell you when you say cash if you mean walking in with a satchel of rubles of the answer is I've never seen that happen. I've never heard of it. I will tell you when we sold Mr. Trump's property in Palm Beach the home for ninety five million dollars. It came in by wire and that came from Mr. revolt of us thank account one other question. You also talked about President Trump doing to go she throughout the campaign regarding the Trump Tower in Moscow was he directly involved in those negotiations. And if so how do you know? Well, the answer is. Yes, it is it relates to negotiations. It was nearly follow ups as to what's currently happening. What what's happening with Russia? Meaning he wanted me to give him a status report the problem with this is that the project never advanced because they were unable. Mr. Saito was unable to provide me with proof that somebody owned to control the piece of property that we can actually build on Michelle semester. Cohen on January twenty second twenty eighteen just days after the Wall Street Journal broke the story that Mr. Cohen paid one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to Stephanie Clifford to silence her during the two thousand sixteen presidential campaign, a nonprofit watchdog called common cause to file a complaint with the call common cause filed a complaint with the department of Justice and FEC alleging the payment to miss Clifford may have represented an illegal in kind contribution to the Trump campaign. I asked that their complaint the entered into the record on February thirteenth two thousand eighteen Mr. Cohen, you sent a statement to the reporters that said. Said quote, I used my own personal funds to facilitate a payment of one hundred thirty thousand dollars to miss Stephanie Clifford, and neither the Trump organization, nor the Trump campaign was party to the transaction with miss Clifford. And neither reimburse me for the payment, either directly or indirectly was the statement faults. The student is not false. I purposefully left out Mr. Trump individually from that statement. Okay. Why did you say it that way because that's what was discussed to do between myself, Mr. Trump and Alan Weisselberg? So it was carefully worded your smooth. A reporter for the magazine Vanity Fair has reported that she interviewed you the very next day on February fourteenth two thousand eighteen about the payment and reimbursement. And she wrote quote last February fourteenth I interviewed Cohen in his office about the statement. He gave that you see in which he said Trump didn't know about the stormy payment or reimbursement for it. Do your call this meeting with the reporter do the reporter also wrote Trump called while. I was there. I couldn't hear much, but he wanted to go over what the public messaging would be is that accurate to the president call you while you were having a meeting with the reporter did the president call you to coordinate on public messaging about the payments to miss Clifford's in or around February two thousand eighteen use. What did the president ask or suggest that you say about the payments or reimbursements who's not knowledgeable of these reimbursements? And he wasn't knowledgeable of my actions. He asked you to say that just great and dish into the personal check for thirty five thousand dollars in July. Seventeen is there? Additional corroborating evidence that Mr. Trump will sitting president of the United States directly reimbursed you hush money as part of a criminal scheme to violate campaign finance laws. There were living checks that I received for the year. The reason why eleven because as I stated before one had two checks, and you have copies of Elena's. I can get copies I'd have to go to the Bank. So we will be able to get copies of all eleven checks that Mr. Trump. Provided to you as part of this criminal scheme, either from his personal account as was demonstrated in the exhibit or it would come from the Donald J Trump count the trust account. Mr. Sarbanes, I did want to go back to an earlier line of questioning regarding the preparation. Of your testimony before you came before the intelligence committee. You've talked about a meeting at the White House where the testimony was being reviewed. And I think you said it was at least one White House attorney j Secolo. Who was there? And you knowledge that there was some edits that were made to your testimony. So on that topic who who at the White House reviewed your testimony. I don't know the answer to that. The document was was originally created by myself along with my attorney at the time from McDermott will in Emory, and there was a joint defense agreement. And so the document circulated around. I believe it was also reviewed by Abbe Lowell represents Ivanka Jared Kushner. Why did you provide the testimony to the White House? It was pursuing to the joint defense agreement that we were all operating under. What were the edits that came back substantively on the testimony? I'm sorry. I don't know. Sorry to have to take a look at the document. Did you have a? Do you have a reaction to why? There might not have been in a sense of protests to what was going to be false testimony. That was going to be provided. No, sir. Bellicose goal was to stay on message, which is limit the relationship whatsoever with Russia is short. There's no Russian context. There's no Russian collusion. There's no Russian deals. That's that's the message. That's the same message that existed well before my need to come and testify. So it's an example of of where this idea of this this mentality of you toe the line, whatever the story line the narrative of the day or the month where the year is going to be you toe that line whether results in false testimony or not. I told the party line. And I'm now suffering and I'm going to continue to suffer for a while along with my family as the result of it. So yes. One of the most significant events in the last presidential campaign, of course, was the dump of Email stolen from the Democratic National Committee dumped by WikiLeaks. Mr. Cohen during your opening statement, which was at the height of the election. You testified you were actually meeting with Donald Trump in July twenty sixteen when Roger stone happened to call and tell Mr. Trump that he had just spoken to Julian Assange is that correct those correct? All right. And you said that Mr Assange told Mr. Trump about an upcoming coating your opening statement, quote, massive dump of emails that would damage Hillary Clinton's campaign. So I want to ask you about. Roger stone's phone call to the president first of all was that on speakerphone is that what you indicated Mr. Trump is a black speakerphone that sits on his desk. He uses it quite often because with all the. The number of phone calls. He gets now in January of this year twenty nineteen the New York Times asked President Trump, if he ever spoke to Roger stone about these stolen emails and President Trump answered and I quote, no, I didn't I never did. Was that statement by President Trump true? No, it's not accurate, and can you please? Describe for us to the best of your recollection. You were present exactly what Mr. stone said to Mr. Trump. It was a short conversation. And he said, Mr. Trump, I just wanted to let you know that I just got off the phone with Julian Assange and into couple of days, there's going to be a massive dump of emails that's going to severely hurt the Clinton campaign, and whereas Mr. Trump, and Mr. stone aware of where those emails came from that, I'm not aware of did Mr. Trump ever suggest then or later to call the FBI to report this breach. He never expressed that to me did the president at that time or ever since. And your knowledge indicate an awareness that this conduct was wrong. No. The reason I ask is because on July twenty second on the eve of the democratic convention WikiLeaks published as you know, the twenty thousand leaked internal DNC emails could your meeting with Mr. Trump have been before that date. Yes. So Mr. Trump was aware of the upcoming dump before it actually happened. Yes. Right. And there any Rego's I don't know whether he knew or not, and I don't believe he did what the substance of the dump was going to be only that it was going to be a dump of emails, and he was aware of that before the dump occurred Kuester. All right. And are there any records that would corroborate the day of this meeting calendars, perhaps I'm not in possession? But I believe again, this is part of the special counsel. And they in my literally best suited to corroborate that information. It was anyone else present in the room during the call. I don't recall for this one. No, sir. Is there anyone else that committee should talk to about the president's knowledge of the the WikiLeaks, Email dump? Again, when he called Rhona Graff yelled out to Mr. Trump Rogers online one which was regular practice in. That's his assistant. That's his. Yes. All right. And during a news conference on July twenty seventh twenty sixteen then candidate Trump public publicly appealed to Russia to hack Hillary Clinton's emails and make them public stated and I quote, Russia if you're listening. I hope you're able to find the thirty thousand emails that are missing now going back to Mr. stones phone call to the president you recall, if Mr. Trump had knowledge of the WikiLeaks dump at the time of his direct appeal to Russia. I am not. But the call with Mr. stone you believe was before. Yes. This twenty six. I'm sorry. I thought you talking about a different set of documents that got dumped. So I was in Mr. Trump's office was either July eighteenth and nineteenth. And yes, he went ahead. I don't know if the thirty five thousand thirty thousand emails was what he was a furring to he certainly had knowledge. Have you have been to Prague? I've never been to Prague never had. I've never been to the Czech Republic. Sphere. And thank you, Mr. Cohen on page. Five of your statement, you say, and I quote, you need to know that Mr. Trump personal lawyers reviewed and edited my statement to congress about the timing of the Moscow tower negotiations who were those attorneys. Chase suck from the White House. Yes. Chase sokolow. I believe Abby Lowell is. Well, and you have a copy of your original statement that you can provide to the committee. I can try to get that for you. All right. If you would do do that the letter of intent for the Moscow tower was in the fall of two thousand and fifteen correct. Correct. Was there an expiration date on that letter of intent? There was no expiration could technically still be in effect today. No, it's been terminated. It has been termed just did Mr. Trump tell you to offer Ladimir Putin, a free pant house. No mim. So that was that was feel excited. It was a marketing stunt that. He spoke about so Felix Seder had suggested to you that Mr. Trump offer a penthouse to. Mr putin. Yes. Because it would certainly drive up the price per square foot. No different than in any condo where they start listing. Celebrities that live in the property in two thousand sixteen did you travel to Europe? Yes. Did you meet with persons associated with the Moscow tower project? No, it was for personal or snow. My daughter was studying a Queen Mary in London. There is an elevator tape that has been referenced as a catch and kill product. It was evidently of Mr. Trump and a woman. Presumably MRs Trump is that correct? We talking about in Moscow or the the Trump Tower elevated tape there's there's an elevator tape that went up for auction in two thousand sixteen I've heard about this and who is on that tape. It's Mr. Trump with Milan you, and what happened in that tape of the story goes that he? Struck Malania while in that elevator because there's a camera inside, which I'm not so sure actually, I'm certain it's not true. I've heard about that tape for years, I've known four or five different people, including folks from AM. I who have. So they're only tape that went up for auction. I don't believe that auction was real. And I don't believe anybody. I don't believe Mr. Trump ever struck. Mrs Trump ever, I don't believe. And are you aware of anyone purchasing that tape? Then don't believe it was ever never saw this tape. No memory. I know several people who went to go try to purchase it for catch and kill purpose. It doesn't exist. Mr. Trump wouldn't ever do in my opinion. That's not something to know. Okay. Now. Let's talk about the reimbursement. According to federal prosecutors, and I quote after the election Cohen sort reimbursement for election-related expenses, including the hundred and thirty thousand dollars payment, prosecuted stated that you and I quote, presented an executive an executive of the company with a copy of a Bank statement. We've black thing one hundred thirty thousand dollar why transfers that accurate Jacques your do. You still have a copy of that Bank statement just actually made part of the exhibit tie. So you go provided to the commission. Just according to federal prosecutors executives at the company, then and I quote agreed to reimburse Cohen by adding hundred and thirty thousand and fifty thousand grossing up that amount to three hundred and sixty thousand for tax purposes, and adding a sixty thousand dollar bonus such that comb would be paid four hundred and twenty thousand total executives of the company decided to pay the four hundred and twenty thousand in monthly installments thirty. Five thousand over the course of a year is that Atkins those accurate. What was the purpose of grossing up the amounts essentially, doubling what you had paid to MRs miss Clifford and other because if you pay one hundred thirty thousand dollars and you live in New York where you have a fifty percent tax bracket. In order to get you one thirty back you have to have to sixty otherwise my if he gave me back one thirty I would only then I'd be out sixty five thousand what was the purpose of spreading the reimbursements to you over the twelve monthly installments that was in order to hide what the pain was. I obviously wanted the money in one shot would have preferred it that way. But in order to be able to. Put it onto the books. Alan Weisselberg made the decision that should be paid over the twelve months. So that it would look like a retainer and did Mr. Trump know about this. We 'imbursement method. Oh, he knew about everything. Yes. Doing I the Trump Tower. So you were negotiating for this. As you said, it was to be the tallest building in Europe. In your guilty plea with a special counsel. You quote say it quotes Cohen asked individual one that President Trump. Yes. Okay. About the possibility of injury of President Trump traveling to Russia in connection with the Moscow project and asked a senior campaign official about potential businesses traveled business travel to Russia. What when did this conversation happened? Do you recall early on in the campaign, and who is a campaign official Corey Lewandowski? What did you discuss in this beating? Possibility of which dates that Mr. Trump would have availability. If in fact that we were going to go over to Russia to take a look at the project. I'm sorry. So go ahead. I'm unfortunately, it never came to fruition because we were never successful in getting the first prong of what I needed which was ownership or control over a piece of property and until such time. There was no reason to come up with a date. But when I first received the information request to go to Russia what I decided to do is spoke to Mr. Trump about it. He told me to speak to Corey and see what dates might be available. If I got the information I needed so it stopped because of appearances or or did stop because parties decided to pursue it. I'm so sorry. I don't send you. So why did the pursuit of the Trump Tower that Mr. Mr. Trump has now said, of course, he pursued it because he thought he might be going back into the development business. Why was the reason that the deal stopped because he won the presidency? Okay. So in that interim period of time you must admit it looks. Troubling that? Now that we know what foreign influence was attempting to do whether there was colluded or not it certainly appears troubling that you were Mr. Trump was part of this negotiation at the same time what we know perhaps separately that the Russians are gauged in our election. Well, I don't know about them being engaged in the election. I can only talk for myself here. I would say to Mr. Trump in response to his question. What's going on with Russia's? I'm still waiting for documents. And then that night at a rally he would turn around and do his battle cry of no Russia, no collusion, no involvement, which its Lawrence. Mr. coin, why do you feel believed that the president is repeatedly attacking you. You are stating that you feel intimidated asking us to protect you following your cooperation with law enforcement. When you have access to sixty plus million people that follow you on social media, and you have the ability within which to spark some action by individuals that follow at follow him. And from his own words that he can walk down Fifth Avenue shoot someone and get away with it. It's never comfortable when the president of the United States. Do you think he can do to you? A lot. And it's not just him. It's those people that follow him in his rhetoric. What is a lot? I don't know. I don't walk with my wife. If we go to a restaurant or we go somewhere. I don't walk with my children. I make them go before me because I'm I have fear, and it's the same fear that I had before when he initially decided to drop that tweet in my cell phone, I receive some, and I'm sure you you'll understand I received some. Tweets I received some Facebook messenger, all sorts of social media. Attacks upon me. Whether it's to private direct message that I've had to turn over to secret service because they are the most vile, disgusting statements that anyone can never receive. And when it starts with your children. That's when it really affects you on January twenty twenty nineteen Mr. Giuliani called your father-in-law, quote, a criminal and said that he may have ties to to organize crime. Mexico, and do you believe that the President Mr Giuliani publicly targeted your father-in-law as an effort to intimidate you can you elaborate, why is your father in law being pulled into this? I don't know the answer to that. My father was in the clothing business came to this country because they bathe in the night nineteen seventy two seventy three the expulsion of Jews from the Ukraine he came here to this country. He worked hard, and he's now enjoying his retirement never in my life that I think that Mr. Trump would do something so disgraceful and he's attacking him because he knows I care about my family and to hurt me. He's trying to hurt them. Interestingly enough, my father-in-law's biggest investments happen to be in the Trump property. So it just doesn't make any sense to me. The law. Fair podcast is produced in cooperation with the Brookings Institution. If you haven't yet, please give the podcast of five star rating and review wherever you listen. 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Trump to give speech, travel to border to make his case; National Security Adviser Bolton contradicts Trump on Syria; Source: Biden to make 2020 decision in coming weeks

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Liberals across the country. Welcome to the lead. I'm Jake tapper. We begin with the politics lead. President Trump will address the nation in his very first primetime speech from the Oval Office to try to make his case on border security and the wall, and perhaps even to declare a national emergency to attempt to secure funding to build the border wall. Now such a move, which the president has said is seriously considering would be highly controversial this afternoon. Democratic congressman Joaquin Castro of Texas slammed. The proposal after touring a border facility. It would be profoundly inappropriate for the president of the United States to circumvent the legislative branch of the United States government, the United States, Congress and singlehandedly against the will of the American people and the American Congress put up a border wall on the US Mexico border. We would challenge it in every single way that we could the press. National address will come before a trip that the White House just announced President Trump will travel to the southern border with Mexico on Thursday, a senior democratic aide also tells CNN that Senate Democrats will discuss it a weekly lunch Wednesday whether to begin trying to block all legislation on the Senate floor until a vote on reopening. The federal government is held all of this means, of course, that there will almost certainly be no progress on ending the government shutdown until Friday. It's a day that would tie the record for the longest government shutdown in US history. CNN's Pamela Brown is at the White House right now. Pamela, CNN is planning to air the speech. But as of now, do we know if any of the major networks are planning to carry the presidential address, Jake no word yet on whether any of the major networks will carry the president's primetime address that he treated about we told that the networks are currently deliberating, but they have not formally accepted this request from the White House with as you point. Out CNN is planning to carry it live tomorrow evening as well. As FOX, according to sources who spoke to my colleague, Gulliver Darcy. So the president wants to make his case directly to the American public as his administration continues to frame this debate over border wall funding as a matter of national security and a crisis that is only getting worse at the southern border. President Trump now considering an unprecedented move to get his border wall. I made it flare a national emergency dependent that what's going to happen over the next few days. Trump suggesting to reporters he could declare a national emergency to bypass congress to get the wall funds he requested. We have an absolute crisis and criminals and gang members coming through. It is national security. It's a national emergency arguing for those emergency powers, the president quoted democrat, Adam Smith, the chairman of the House Armed Services committee tweeting. Yes, there is a provision in law that says a president can declare an emergency the quote from Smith's ABC appearance on Sunday, where he also said in this case, I think the president would be wide open to a court challenge saying, where's the emergency. You have to establish that in order to do this Smith telling CNN today, I think it would be a huge mistake to declare a national, and there is no national. Urgency. Trump is now planning a primetime address on Tuesday and a trip to the border on Thursday. It hopes if we're swayed Americans to support his border wall proposal, but a weekend of staff level to go. She ations led by vice President Mike Pence didn't bring either side closer to a deal. Sources tell C N N. The White House outlining its request in a letter, including more money for urgent humanitarian needs extra attention beds. Additional law enforcement personnel and changing the wall from concrete steal something. Some Democrats prefer. So we'll give him steal. But on day seventeen of the shutdown. It doesn't appear to be Indy anytime soon with both sides pointing the finger at the other Schumer, and then she close myself to solve this in twenty minutes, if they want to if they don't want to it's to go on for a long time does not going to be an event right here. Here we are in the third week of the Trump shutdown. Why it's only because of one person and that is President Trump because it goes she Asians continue at a stalemate the pain inflicted by the shutdown. We'll get worse for those federal workers who won't get a paycheck on Friday. Jan relate. And I'm sure that the people that are for the receiving end will make adjustments. They always do had. They'll naked Justice people understand exactly what's going on. But many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck, many of those people agree. One hundred percent. With what I'm doing? And we're learning more about this decision by the White House to have a prime time address on immigration tomorrow evening. Jake sources telling CNN that allies of the president had been telling him that his messaging wasn't resonating in that time between Christmas and New Year's was a missed opportunity for the president to get his message out in that tweeting. And these off the Cup remarks just really weren't resonating with the voters. And so the president had mold this over and decided that having a primetime address in the Oval Office was the most effective way to speak to the American public know as for his visit to the border wall on Thursday. We were told that that has been long planned Jake, Pamela. Right. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Let's chat about this. With our experts. We've already said CNN, Fox News, FOX business or you're planning on take the president's address. The networks have not decided what they're gonna do one network TV executive telling Brian Stelter of CNN, quote, he calls. This fake news all the time but needs access to airwaves, if we give him the time he'll deliver a fact free screed without rebuttal. And if we don't give him the time he'll call every network partisan. So we're damned if we do in damned if we don't that is not me saying that that is an anonymous, and I understand why network TV executive, what do you think should the networks take? I think they should take it. But I think they should do it on a seven second delay into a real time. Fact, check becoming more than seven. In fact, I'm trying to give everybody the benefit of the doubt here. Look the other option would be perhaps we were talking about this before maybe screen stream it live on your platforms and keep your entertainment programming going. I mean, look, I think there is a this is a perfect maneuver for this manufactured crisis from the president. It's exactly what that executive said. Because he can now say see the fake news there against me on the victim. I'm trying to tell you the truth here, and they're trying to stop me. So I wouldn't necessarily take it in terms of it will be entertainment programming. But I think I'd stick with the real entertainment programming. And they're plenty other ways people can watch it this point. And we we just heard Pamela Brown say that one of the reasons he's planning on doing this is because allies his are telling him that his his his message is not breaking through about there being this crisis at the border. Let's probably because there isn't a crisis at the border on because people aren't seeing they're not seeing reflected anywhere else. What what the president is saying all they're seeing are things like people. Say not coming to work because they can't because they have childcare because they have other things because they're not getting paid that coverage has consumed with the president is saying is a crisis that just hasn't materialized. I'm not saying, I don't think I think Democrats and Republicans would agree that border security is important that it needs to be funded. But what the president is talking about you, even have, you know, a immigration hardliners that are saying the wall is not the way to do. It can I just push back a little because I do think there is a crisis. But it is a hot and cold prices that ebbs and flows with winter months in summer months in the summer, the number of legal border crossings can be as high as fifty thousand a month, and then it goes down. And so, but it's quite an emergency. Because we know the rhythms of this. We know that it's going to happen. So I think listen if Trump is going to keep the government shutdown and contemplate invoking, a national emergency. He should go to the American people and explain why. But he has to do a heck of a lot better than Sarah Huckabee Sanders students Sunday with Chris Wallace when she came with facts that were disputed in real time if Trump. Is going to go forward with this. He needs to be very clear about the money that he's asking for the number of fencing that he wants to wear. It will be just to be clear what she said to Chris Wallace. Was she repeated this lie that there are four thousand terrorists and caught at the border in. And that's just not true. They've been picked up and other in airports and other places, but not at the border, congressman Jerry Nadler, the incoming House Judiciary committee, chairman was asked what he expects President Trump to say in this address. Here's what he said, I expect the president to lie to the American people. Why do we expect this because he has been lying to the American people and his spokespeople? Continue lines the American people. Now, you don't agree with Jerry Nadler on much, but I expect that you you agree with that assessment. I do I mean, I think that might as well show. The president is states they'll show response. There's very little history of these addresses making any difference in terms of public opinion Reagan and eighty one famously gave it address and half his tax reform plan after come back from the times in those huge wave of sympathy and regular is pretty good at this much. Donald trump. I would say Oval Office addresses or stage addresses what you script. So I let them give it. I think actually, honestly if he gives it and it goes nowhere, which is what I would expect. I think by Wednesday Thursday, then you see serious Arocha Republican support on the hill that this is Trump's last car. What else does he gonna do one? Or the other thing that new is declaring national emergency. Then there's that could potentially happen. Congressman Tom Malinowski a freshman from New Jersey. He said the house would immediately repudiate it through the national emergencies act. And then the Senate would have fifteen days to vote I said to him on Twitter. Do you really think that the Senate the Republican controlled Senate would vote against them? And he wrote back if actually forced to vote as they would be in this case under the national emergencies act. I don't think that all fifty three Senate Republicans would vote in lockstep to let Trump used the military to defy congress. What what do you think I think for the Senate to rebuke Trump in this manner, there'd have to be pain involved? I don't think any parties felt political pain for this. What in what form would that come probably not for me thing from? The states. I think it would take an unforeseen accident, maybe a death. I don't even want to go down this route. But people not being able to fly list and right now, I wouldn't mind getting on a plane right now. I don't even thinking essays understand mean. I think if if you're the congress what is their fundamental power the power of the purse, if you let the president just take five billion dollars by declaring Nashville urgency when the congress has explicitly not appropriate in it, you might as well give up on the president said, the will when Mitch McConnell said we're not going to bring up the house appropriations bills. I think it's a mistake to, but that's a little different. I do think Republican senators would balk at this. I agree with that. And look I think there are two pieces to this, right? We can't underestimate the fact that people are feeling real pain interviews all throughout the day of people saying, this is cruel, and this is sort of concentric circles of pain because it's not just government workers or contractors. It's the businesses and small businesses that support whether it's the food trucks or the lunch places or the other businesses that support. So the pain is being. Felt so we're guardless of what the president goes out and says, and I got it. If I worked in the White House. I would say look we need some visuals. We need something that looks presidential. Like, we all get the strategy. But when you have real people out there who are saying, hey, we're hurting. I mean, a lot of people take out loans around Christmas time to buy presence and are counting on those tax returns to pay those loans backs is an open, right? That's right. So that's real pain. Now, if you slap on top of that another five billion dollars when we've already got a huge deficit and you throw the country into chaos at a time when people are already getting a little sick of feeling like we're we're lurch from chaos chaos. I do think there starts to be political pain for Republicans who then have to defend why they agreed with this. And Jackie take a listen because somebody asked President Trump if he could relate to the federal workers and the contractors out there contractors are getting the worst of this by the way because they're not going to be paid back bay. The federal workers will at least be paid the back bay about the pain that they feel because. Of the shutdown can the president or late. Here's what he said. I can relate and cure that the people that are for the receiving end will make adjustments. They always do and they'll make Justice people understand exactly what's going on. But many of those people that won't be receiving a paycheck. Many of those people agree one hundred percent with what I'm doing. Now. Briana Keeler earlier today. Ask Julie Burr about this Dooley's a federal contract worker in Missouri. Like, I said because he's a contract worker. She's not going to get back. She started a go fund me to be able to subsist. Here's her reaction to President Trump. I find it hard to believe that a billionaire could relate to anyone who lives possibly paycheck to paycheck, which many of the American people do so that's hard to to relate to that him saying that I just want to get back to work. I just want the government to be back up and running and I want to get back to work and earn my paycheck. So I'm not trying to be cute here where we're talking about a president when he was a businessman who routinely wouldn't pay his contractors and let people. Not on whole. Not only that. But the president seems to be curing who. He's speaking to. I mean, let's not forget the stunt last week with the four guys at all look the same who were border patrol part of the border patrol union. Yes, exactly precisely. All saying that. Yes. The president's doing the right thing if he's only talking to folks like that. Yeah. Perhaps people are saying keep holding my pay. But I'm guessing the vast majority of federal workers out there that are trying to make ends meet and can't and our game fully employed. Don't think that this is a good at some point. This gets back to the Senate. I mean, the president cannot stop the government from opening if sixty seven senators night ninety s members wanted to I think it gets harder and harder for Mitch McConnell to say, well that was just passed an appropriations Bill opening up treasury. You're opening up interior opening up EPA, which a lot of people depend on dealing with not just visiting the national parks. But if you're a businessman, you what your permit for something you're not gonna get mean, what Mitch McConnell's reason for continuing not to open these parts of the government that have nothing to do with the wall. Well, everyone's stick around. We've got a lot more to talk about what happens when the president of the United States says one thing, and then his national security adviser goes and tells the world the exact opposite thing, plus Joe Biden's brother making a stunning statement about the former vice presidents chances of beating president. Trump in two thousand twenty stay with us. You know, what's smart kicking off twenty nine thousand nine hundred by planning out, which rolls you need to hire. For and you can start by using the smartest way to hire. Ziprecruiter. Ziprecruiter's powerful matching technology finds the right people for you, an actively invites them to apply. It's no wonder that ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employers in the US this rating comes from hiring sites on trust pilot with over one thousand reviews and right now listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at ZipRecruiter dot com slash tapper. If you love this show show, your support to it ends up recruiter by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash T. A P P E R. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Welcome back. The commander in chief seemingly contradicted. It was less than a month ago that President Trump announced an immediate pull out of US troops from Syria. We have one against ISIS. We've beaten them. They're all coming back and they coming back. Now, the decision caused Defense Secretary James Mattis and other administration officials to step down. But now, it seems President Trump's oh national security adviser John Bolton is sending a very different message to allies about when and under what conditions. The US is willing to withdraw CNN's. Michelle Kaczynski picks up the story from the State Department. President Trump's abrupt plan for quickly bringing home some two thousand troops from Syria appears to have morphed again, national security adviser, John Bolton in Israel, Sunday laying out what needs to happen. First to do. So from northeast Syria in a way, that makes sure that ISIS is defeated and is not able to revive itself and become a threat again, and to make sure that the defense of Israel, and our other friends in the region is absolutely assured and to take care of those who have fought with us against ISIS and other terrorist groups sound like complex conditions to meet before US troops leave Syria compare that to Trump's various pronouncements on the troop withdrawal just in the last few weeks. They're all coming back and they're coming back. Now, we one let's get out of Syria. You can't have any more time. Got enough time. We've not come out with not them. Silly. That decision came only days after his own aides told reporters ISIS had not yet been defeated and prompted the resignations of both Defense Secretary James Mattis and US on void to counter. Isis. Brett mcgurk is changing course, like a drunken sailor. Okay. There's no thought behind it. This is such a bizarre spectacle. I mean, what you're really saying a new US policy on Syria every single week we've gone from the troops. Oh, pull out. Now. The Pentagon briefed reporters as meaning within thirty days. And then the next week Trump said, no, no, they said, it'll be more like four months, and now bolt on seems to be saying they're not going to come out at all. Until those conditions are achieved which are not going to be achieved anytime soon yesterday, the president himself walked back. His initial comments about a rapid withdrawal. Removing. I never said we're doing that quickly the president's slowing down, and he's reevaluating his policies. I think this is the reality setting in that you've got to plan this out. Okay. So the president declared ISIS defeated now you have John Bolton saying, no US troops are going to have to stay in Syria until this is really defeated president said Iran now can do whatever it wants in Syria today. The secretary of state said no the US commitment to countering. Iran has absolutely not change also today. Pentagon officials are telling CNN that in order to get US troops out of Syria safely. They may I have to send an additional hundreds more. Again, they are not mentioning any kind of timeframe saying this is going to have to be based on multiple factors. Jake Kozinski at the State Department. Thank you so much pretty much every democrat and some Republicans have an opinion on whether former vice president Joe Biden should run for president. Now, a Biden member of his family is weighing in stay with us was on the. Tired of spending hundreds of dollars for prescription glasses. Our friends at Xeni optical offer, a huge variety of high quality stylish frames and state of the art optics starting at just six ninety five. You can get multiple frames with this great pricing for less than one pair. Elsewhere start building your eyewear wardrobe from the comfort of your own home at Xeni dot com. 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He's a joke, but before you could ever take on Trump Biden would face a potentially crowded and diverse field of democratic hopefuls who could complicate his path to the White House. He was all smiles Friday night returning from a holiday visit to the Virgin Islands telling CNN's, Randi Kaye, he would make his mind soon, but he's facing pressure from donors and longtime supporters to signal his intentions with some Democrats interpreting this silence as an ambivalent or uncertainty about running one by now telling CNN he understands that he needs to make a decision relatively early in the process. He knows he can't wait and his brother telling Michael Smerconish today. I certainly wouldn't want him even rain about running. If I didn't think we could annihilate Trump. He's been at this crossroads before ultimately passing on a two thousand sixteen run. Unfortunately, I believe route of time the time necessary to mount a winning campaign for the nomination after making two failed bids in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight and two thousand eight campaigns. But it's no longer Biden's Democratic Party. And all potential rivals aren't waiting. Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren just finished her first campaign trip to Iowa. I believe that this is a moment when we will think big we will fight hard, and we will make real change. California's Senator Kamala Harris is launching a book tour on Tuesday, a prelude tour own expected campaign and former Obama cabinet secretary Hooghly on Castro is awesome moving forward with an announcement this weekend. I believe that I have a strong vision for the country's future. But it's Biden who will soon answer. One of the biggest question marks in the race. A key factor. His family as his wife. Jill bluntly said last year, I think Joe you would make a great president. But let's think about it and family is the most important concern of all that is one hurdle. And it's a considerable one that he's not resolved. According to conversations with several allies say they just don't know in the NFC is going to run or not Jake. He wants to be president. But Joe Biden has always wanted to be president the bottom line is whether he wants to up in his life, and as entire families and potentially diminish his legacy with what could be the toughest campaign of his long career. And that is just a primary never mind the general Jake. All right. Jeff zeleny. Thanks so much. Let's chat about this. Karen Finney does Biden need to get in the mix sooner rather than later. So as to chase other potential candidates out of the race, can do whatever he wants. I think if he were to signal that he's going to take his time. And that if others want to jump in they could do so I think there's out of respect for him. I think there are some people who are kind of waiting to see. See what he does. But I think the biggest challenge I love Joe Biden, I will say that. I think the biggest challenge for him will be that a campaign in twenty twenty is dramatically different than it was in two thousand twelve just in terms of the mechanics of how you run how you raise money how you work with voters. And so I think he's got in addition to all the other questions he's gotta ask himself as Donnie just said is you really most guys want to be the president. They don't want to do the campaigning. And that's going to be pretty brutal. I think we should ask. How come he doesn't know yet? If there's anybody who should know if he wants to run for president. It should be Joe Biden you have been vice president you've run for president before you were in the Senate forever. You know, what it's like to the fact that they're doing this whole hemming and hang routine is silly. And the person that I think can get voters that Joe Biden can get that has already signaled that he will make a decision independent. Whether Joe Biden is running is Terry McAuliffe. I don't know why he's being sort of underrated right now he's been making TV appearances talking to you saying that he's going to consider. It. And I think he is a democrat that has a potential to get Republican voters. He's been the governor of a purple state. He seems to get the modern economy sort of talks about pushing back against the fringe left. I think he's very interesting compelling, and he's on my list. So let's talk about Terry McAuliffe. He shot down some what he called radical ideas coming from progressives on CNN earlier today. I'm just concerned that a lot of ideas that I've seen so far some have no chance. Good aspirin goals. I'm all for. But we've gotta have realism. That's what America's hearing for now that might be one America's your progressive laughed likes these aspirational ideas that he's throwing cold water on. And I think there's going to be candidates to pick up and run with those. Unlike what happened in in twenty sixteen what I've been hearing is that there really isn't any incentive not to run for a lot of these candidates. And while there is a lot of respect for Joe Biden. I don't know the people are going to stay out if he decides to run because the really because the field is going to be so wide, and we don't know talking during the break. We don't know what the platform is going to be. We don't know exactly what people are gonna want at the end of the day. There's going to be a lot of sussing out and a lot of family infighting that we're gonna see within the democratic already going forward. But can I just say as democrat at the table? I democrat. I think the more the merrier I actually thought that the primary between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama was one of the best things that ever happened to the Democratic Party because it engaged parts of the country that never get to participate in the presidential primary. I think this primary is going to go very long. It's going to be about far more than I want New Hampshire and even the or four early states. And I think that's actually going to be a good anything. It will be a good opportunity to debate ideas. How about that instead of taking off Trump and a lot of ideas are being discussed right now, and you can credit a congresswoman Alexandria Cossio Cortez for at least one of them. She in that interview talked about a seventy percent marginal tax rate for people who earn more than ten million dollars a year. That's a seventy percent very just on the ten million dollar and up Julian Castro told ABC news that he and he's he's he's thinking of running former Obama HUD official he considered a higher tax rate for America's wealthiest one percent. Listen to how he approached it 'cause it's very different from the kind of language we heard from Democrats in the past. I can support of folks at the top paying their fair share as we can have a better system where people can get good healthcare and have peace of mind. Even if that means that we rearrange where those dollars go. Yeah. I support that. So in the past you might you might hear a democrat. And you still might like Mukalla for perhaps Biden say seventy percent rate. That's that's wild. But Castro and open mind. He didn't he didn't commit any number. But he talked about a higher rate. Yeah. You know, I don't think there's necessarily conscious Jim being somewhat moderate or listen dawn radical and being aspirated, and I think actually Terry Kuala from like well enough. It was a decent governor Virginia where I live. I think it's a huge mistake for these candidates that we have to be realistic. We can't you know, that's just racial. I don't to Trump. I should think Democrats will want a anyone for Trump be want someone saying com who could actually be present the United States, but they wouldn't mind a little aspiration. So I prob- rock Obama showed in two thousand eight if anyone ever could show that you could both be sort of appeal to everyone blue American Ren, America. You know, transcending all these agent divisions and hatreds and so forth, but also appeal to progresses, but that's really important point. I think there's two things right? If I'm running for president, my advice to any Democrats would be a don't shut down any idea. Right. And don't be doing. You don't have to buy into what Alexandra Cossio Cortez says or any other democrat or Republican for that matter in congress. You've got to run your own race have your own ideas. And I. You've got to have vision cannot just be about. I can be Trump or I'm I'm the alternative to Trump. Don't I think it will be a huge mistake to let the race be about Trump. He's gonna loom large across this contest. No matter what. And I think if the if the candidates are trying to fight Trump rather than put forward their own clear vision. I think there's a huge mistake. One of the things I want to bring up just because we haven't mentioned on the show yet, which is there is threat of outside interference not just from foreign countries. But also from bad actors, the New York Times is an alarming report on last year's Senate race in Alabama were Democrats were reportedly behind some fake ads such as one that tied Republican ROY Moore here it is on Facebook. I believe to wanting prohibition in Alabama a dry, Alabama. It wasn't true Democrats committing mischief. We have no idea the effect. It had Doug Jones who want is called for a federal investigation. How concerned are you about all sorts of mischief makers entering the race? Whether in primaries or the general. Yeah, I mean, social media. Is the wild west when it comes to campaigns. We have all kinds of laws for what candidates say in certain forums who can who they can take money from. And what amount how it should be disclosed? I'm television, but you can have an unaffiliated supporter. Go online have faked box fake ads speak campaigns and everything with no Konta -bility. And then Facebook since maybe three six months a year later. Oh, we should have done better. No you need to do better now. And there was a long conversation about this after the two thousand sixteen election that got dropped it is a huge problem that the laws that apply to candidates in two old media. Don't apply to social media. I kick out remembers this people used to have you know, Democrats when they would try to pick the opponent. They wanted to run against Senate races would have some fake right wing group attack. The more moderate Republican is being switched. So the war radical Republicans would win. So the democrat within beat that Republican Harry Reid Claire mccaskill I remember using that in two thousand ten two thousand twelve I'm not sure it's that different from the way things were all right everyone. Stick around. It's something Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has never done all her twenty five years on the supreme court. Stay with us. Remember to create an ad like this one visit pure winning dot com slash CNN. International lead supreme court Justice, Ruth, Bader Ginsburg, went to work after she beat two different bouts of cancer. She even showed up for work the day after her beloved husband Marty died, but today for the first time in her twenty five years on the bench eighty five year old Rb g missed or arguments less than a month after she had to cancerous nachos removed from her long CNN's REI on vogue joins me. Now REI on what was being said about Rb g being out today. Well, you're right. This court met for the first time to hear arguments in the new year and her seat was empty the chief didn't say much at oral arguments. But a spokesperson said, look, she is still recovering from the surgery from those two on Najah that were cancerous that were removed, and that's about all that was said. But of course, what you said about the fact that she had suffered cancer twice before is so important because she often brought up the fact that she never missed a day of oral arguments on the bench, and the fact that she did. show up and read that opinion. I was in court that day the day after her husband died is really poignant. So this is significant Jake, and and it comes at a heady time at the court. What do we know about her actual health status right now? Well, I think the key experts. I've talked to said the key to this is the fact that these were found so early keep in mind, she fell in her office in November. She tripped and fell she went to the hospital, and it was a part of treating fractured ribs that the doctors found these two Najah lls. So it comes very early. The court released a statement at the time saying there's no evidence of any remaining disease. And one of the thing is even if she misses orl- arguments the courts meeting again tomorrow, she will still be able to vote in these cases, and she doesn't have to participate in rural arguments to vote and it comes at a time. When a lot of President Trump's big policies are making their way to the supreme court, Jake huge ones. Alright thank you so much. Obviously, let me just preface conversation by I know, everybody here hope for the best. Her she's on the court for as long as she wants to be on the court. But but this is not a good sign, and she has been sick. And she is elderly and let me just ask can the country even take another supreme court confirmation fight right now. Emotionally, of course. Sure. Sure. The American government real Bill. Bill is shaking his hand has more. More than I do in America. No one. Here must be ghoulish. We wish you the best. But there does come the question of her fitness perform the job. This is the highest court in the land a limited number of cases goes with the supreme court heard by limited number of people that sneak seat needs to be filled. And I hope this is something that does not become a repeal wanted to be filled by Rb. Gee, let's take a look at the current balance of the court right now you afford justices appointed by democratic presidents who regularly rule. More liberally. Five justices appointed by Republican presidents who generally rule more conservatively, President Trump so Gardy gotten to supreme court picks. Alright he shifted the courts balance to the right. If Ruth baiter gains Greensburg were to let's say retire from the court and President Trump got another pick. What would have six to three conservative court? Look like you'd be happy about it. I maybe have it. I would have of course, every democratic Senator and spokesman of the country and competitive candidate quoting Mitch McConnell about how it eight person supreme court's just fine. You know, they had one we had one for year the country went on perfectly. Well, right. Solved all these issues. Couple of Karen Cameron for rain. Twenty. No, I don't I don't think. Democrats say, oh, well, we can't make that argument because it's just twenty nine thousand not twenty twenty. I mean, it would be if you think of all wild cards that are out there for twenty nineteen twenty twenty inches of the Trump presidency. The two parties the fights with each party, incidentally, one or two supreme court vacancies that would just. He's here. And I want you to take a look at this with the intense political divide. We're seeing in Washington some of the most important battles are headed. Indeed to the supreme court. We have some of the cases include immigration and dreamers reversal when President Trump reverse the decision dreamers. The two thousand twenty cents this citizenship question, there's the transgender military band. There's gerrymandering I'm not even including what President Trump announces tomorrow night. If it's a national security, national emergency declaration, and I haven't even mentioned the word Muller today. That's all headed towards the supreme court. And of course, not mentioning Muller is the whole point of this whole drama that we're using the border, but anyway, back to the court now, look, I think the one thing that a positive could be that finally worry progressive voter in this country. If you don't understand how important the court is you finally understand how important the court is voting issues are much more, certainly if you like your health care, and certainly if you are part of the majority of Americans who believe that Roe v. Wade should remain settled law. You care what is happening to Justice Ginsburg, and frankly, any other Justice at this point. And it's it's terrifying. That we're in the situation where day by day, there's this, you know, she's the one everybody's sort of all the jokes about walking around with bubble wrap. Right to make sure that she's okay. When Justice hangs in our democracy hangs in such a fragile balance. I really hope that people take that to mind and remember that when it comes to voting, but to your point if history is any guide, this will be just. Rocket fuel for the for the Republican base should there being another vacancy? It's something that really. Yeah. Absolutely. Really really animates and animates the base and those senators from blue states who are having a really really tough reelections this would likely help them Cory Gardner Gardner. Susan Collins, Thom Tillis. Republicans in red states, maybe in two thousand eighteen it didn't help Republicans in purple states, purple states. And again makes it why did you -ssume that if the? Sure. Custody Ronaldson, the conservative position is that much more popular motivates Republicans more than Democrats saying that because I'll tell you something it's interesting like even in a state like Georgia where I work last cycle their voters actually one and you saw governor Andrew Cuomo doing it today. They want governors to codify in-law protections for Roe versus Wade. So I actually think when it comes to some of these constitutional issues, I'm not sure how plays at the state level. We make different assumptions at the federal level when we're having these conversations, but you know, when you talk about at the state level when it affects your day to day life. It's a different conversation. I would be remiss if I didn't mention that are who again, we're all wishing. That she has an iconic status as a feminist, and as a trailblazing woman, there's the RPG documentary the arbitrary book the movie on the basis of sex. This would be a big kick to the God of the feminist movement. If our need to retire. Absolutely. I don't I don't disagree with that. But again, we hope that all right for quite a while everyone. Stick around. It's the thirty five page document linked to the Muller investigation that made headlines around the world up next the details inside the dossier that we know are true say with us. The right sheets can take your sleep and your style to the next level with Boll and branch. The upgrade has never been more affordable. Every set is crafted from one hundred percent organic cotton. They get softer and softer over time. That's why they have thousands of five star reviews and even three US presidents have Boll and branch sheets. Try them for thirty nights. And if you don't love them, send them back for a full refund. Go to bollandbranch dot com today for fifty dollars off your first set of sheets, plus free shipping with promo code CNN to spelled B O L L, andbranch dot com. That's bollandbranch dot com, promo code CNN too. We're back with our politics lead. And a peak into just how messy the fight over. The Muller report could get President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani told Bloomberg the White House may claim executive privilege to keep some of the final report private. Well, Democrats are already promising to demand a public release of the model report. It was almost exactly two years ago that CNN reported the President Trump had been briefed on the intelligence communities assessment of Russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election, including the existence of the Steele dossier, and despite the president's fierce denial CNN's chief national security correspondent, Jim she reports that the special counsel team has already proven some of the claims in that dossier are true. After endless debate in Washington and countless denials and dismissals by President Trump fraud of the fake dossier, the phony dossier parts of the now infamous dossier on Trump have proven to be true. The dossier began his opposition research on Trump I funded by his Republican opponents and then Hillary Clinton's campaign within retired British intelligence officer Christopher Steele began to take part later compiling a series of raw intelligence leads which formed the thirty five page document the dossier included salacious and unverified claims about Trump as well as broader allegations of a potential conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and Russian nationals tied to the Kremlin and Russian intelligence, which Trump has repeatedly denied I have nothing to do with Russia, however, special counsel Robert Muller's Russia investigation as well. As probes by committees on Capitol Hill have in fact. Corroborated some aspects of the dossier. Take the claim that Russians tried to develop a closer relationship with Trump by offering him fruitful real estate business deals. I have nothing to do with Russia, FOX. Okay. During the campaign Trump repeatedly and emphatically denied that he had any deals in or involving Russia zero. We'll tell you right now zero I've nothing to do with Russia zero zero despite denying it for months. Trump's one time fixer and personal attorney Michael Cohen testified in December that he and Trump were in fact, negotiating potential deal with a Russian company that would bring a Trump Tower to Moscow efforts continuing as late as the summer of two thousand sixteen as Trump was clinching the Republican nomination for president who's his earlier denials proven false Trump now brushes the project to sign I decided not to do. It would have been nothing wrong. If I did do claiming the deal was well publicized at the time. Though. It was not an suggesting that the negotiations were merely. Part of his obligation to run the Trump organization. This was a very public. He'll everybody knows about this deal. I wasn't trying to hide anything. When I run for president that doesn't mean I'm not allowed to do business. I was doing a lot of different things when I was running despite Trump's claims of little to no contact with Russia prior to his election victory in inauguration. We have learned that in fact, at least sixteen Trump associates had contact with Russians either during the election campaign or the presidential transition one such interaction took place in June twenty sixteen at Trump Tower in New York when Donald Trump junior, Jared, Kushner, and Paul Manafort all met with several Russians who are offering dirt on Hillary Clinton gave President Obama sending a message to Russia essentially for coming for you. A further allegation in the dossier relates to US sanctions on Russia imposed by the Obama administration. The dossier. Includes the allegation that former Trump campaign advisor Carter page met with the president of a Russian state run oil. Oil company and discuss lifting the sanctions in two thousand seventeen page testified before the house intelligence committee that he did visit Russia in two thousand sixteen and met a different senior official of the oil company, and that the campaign was fully aware of the trip. However page claims that he visited Russia as a private citizen, and it has meeting was not specifically about sanctions though. The topic was discussed during his visit a few people brought it up in passing. But you know, again, it's a major MAC economic issue. And so, you know, there may have been a loose conversation. Still unresolved allegation and potentially explosive one if proven true the dossier also claims that Michael Cohen traveled to Prague in the summer of two thousand sixteen to coordinate with western officials on covering up. Russia's interference in the election Cohen has consistently publicly denied any such trip. And all the while the president has stood firm insisting the no collusion after two years. No collusion. Some. Some of the dossiers other elevations remain uncorroborated, including the allegations that the Russian government has damaging highly salacious material on President Trump, which the Kremlin could use as compromising material compromise in Russian, and I have to say if they had it it would have been out long ago throughout President Trump has had one very public companion in his denials Russian President Vladimir Putin was worth I'd like to have something to this. After all, I was intelligence officer myself, and I do know how does is made up. Couldn't did admit that another allegation in the dossier is true that he preferred Trump to win the election over Hillary Clinton did. Yes, I did because he talked about bringing US Russia relationship back to normal. Hsun after we first reported the existence of the dossier and the briefing of the dossier to Trump and Obama we reported that US intelligence had in fact, corroborated multiple communications and contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russians during the campaign at the time. Jake, not only did the White House tonight. But it listed Republican lawmakers on the hill senators house members to call around other news organizations say that that story was wrong. Of course that denial both from the White House and the hill later proven false as well. All right, Jim shooter. Thank you so much. You can follow me on Facebook and Twitter at Jake tapper. Our coverage on CNN continues right now. Are you interested in learning how great companies grow? 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AP One Minute Headlines Jan 09 2019 08:00 (EST)

AP Radio News

03:00 min | 1 year ago

AP One Minute Headlines Jan 09 2019 08:00 (EST)

"I hate you with the rhinestone collar between us dogs. I just convinced my human of grade to a new home with the twelve hundred square foot bathroom. I think she called it a yard with Wells Fargo's three percent down payment on a fixed rate loan. My Uman realized new home was within reach learn more at wellsfargo dot com slash. Wells Fargo home mortgage down payments as low as three percent on a fixed rate loan require mortgage insurance. Ask a home mortgage consultant about loan requirements. Wells Fargo home mortgage is a division of Wells Fargo Bank NA equal housing lender. MLS three thousand nine hundred one I'm Rita Foley with AP newsman Ed hours from now. President Trump goes to Capitol Hill the battle over the border wall. The president wants as shut down parts of the government and some Republicans in congress are getting more and more nervous about federal government workers being furloughed without the being paid. Some of those federal government workers are constituents of those members of congress. The president told Americans in an Oval Office address last night. My administration has presented congress with a detailed proposal to secure the border and stopped the criminal gangs, drug, smugglers and human traffickers, it's a tremendous problem. Democrats accused the president of misinformation and malice house speaker Nancy Pelosi. We all agree we need to avoid there's while honoring. Values. She calls a wall immoral prosecutors accused former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort of sharing polling data during the campaign with a Russian business associate. I'm Rita Foley. With virgin media. You can build up the entertainment and Ted on the price. Switch to virgin media today and get super poss- broadband and TV for just forty nine euro month for an awesome, twelve months the sale that stacks up now on C, virgin, media dot e and checkout, how mobile sales tax up to TT's thirteen media dos. I e twelve month contract offer ends twenty seven to February twenty nineteen. I'm Jay Farner, CEO of Quicken Loans, America's premier home purchase lender. We've created a new way to protect you from unpredictable interest rates are exclusive rate shield approval. I we lock your interest rate for up to ninety days. Then if rates go up your rate stays locked. But if rates go down your rate drops either way you win. Call us today at eight hundred quicken or go to rocketmortgage dot com, racial approval. Only valid on certain thirty year fixed rate loans. Call for cost information and conditions. Equal housing lender. Licensed in all fifty states NMLS number thirty thirty additional conditions are exclusions may apply. This is firefighter Raphael for yet for firehouse subs. Introducing the new spicy Cajun chicken sub Cajun seasons grilled chicken, breast zesty cherry peppers and housemaid Cajun male just five fifty five for a medium member. A portion of every sub you buy helps provide life safety equipment for personal sponsors firehouse subs. Enjoy more subs. Save more lives. Limited time only. Plus tax participating locations by ourselves with. Tony the minimum of one million dollars in two thousand nineteen thousand firehouse subs public safety foundation by. Tony White one one percent of every purchase.

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From Masterpiece Cakeshop to Hands On Originals

The BreakPoint Podcast

04:08 min | 11 months ago

From Masterpiece Cakeshop to Hands On Originals

"Remember Jack Phillips and masterpiece cake shop will another eerily similar case from Kentucky has led to another similar court victory for the Colson Center. I'm John Stonestreet street this is breakfast Blaine Adamson is the owner of hands on originals a Christian outfitters shop in Lexington Kentucky hands on creates customized apparel such as not shirts hoodies and baseball caps and two thousand twelve when Adamson got a phone call from the gay and Lesbian Services Organization or Jello asking him to print T. search for a local gay pride festival he explained he could not accept the order because it would mean expressing a message that violated his Christian faith so we offered to referred referred yellow to another shop that would gladly help them you can probably guess what happened next the G. L. S. O. filed a complaint with the Lexington Fayette Urban County human and rights commission the Gio also widely publicized what happened which led to protest a boycott vowel phone calls and threats of violence the Lexington Fayette Bourbon County Human Rights Commission ruled against Adamson and ordered him to print whatever GSA want it but even that wasn't enough taking a page out of the Colorado Arado of rights commissions how to persecute Jack Phillips and masterpiece cake shop playbook then ordered Adamson to undergo diversity training well thankfully in a positive similarity to the Jack Phillips Case Blaine Adamson received help from the alliance defending freedom even though two different lower courts ruled in favor of Adamson Jello took its case to the Kentucky Supreme Court and on Thursday seven years after the incident the court ruled unanimously that Gio had no standing and therefore no right eight to sue Adamson the court ruled that because it was an organization and not individual Jello so had no standing under Kentucky Law to file a suit which means as the alliance defending freedom explained the decision didn't directly address the broader First Amendment questions regarding blaze right to live and work consistently with his faith however and this is important in his concurring opinion justice David Buckingham make clear that the human rights commission went beyond its charge of preventing discrimination nation in public accommodation and instead attempted to compel hands on originals to engage in expression with which it disagreed he then cited the supreme in court ruling in masterpiece cake shop adding the government may not regulate expression either by prohibiting disfavored expression or compelling favorite expression with Justice Buckingham even went further putting on record that hands on originals doesn't discriminate based on well anything the record Buckingham wrote wrote discloses three essential facts first hands on has an established practice of declining orders because of what hands on perceives to be their morally objectionable messages passages including sexually explicit or violent messages second hands on accepted and completed in order from a lesbian singer who performed at the two thousand two hundred twelve pride festival third at no time did hands on inquirer no the sexual orientation or gender identity of the person with whom it dealt with on on behalf of these facts indicate than hands on wasn't good faith objecting to the message it was being asked to disseminate will hopefully with another decision like this in the books Christian Russian business owners will soon no longer be forced to accept or promote this new sexual orthodoxy if that day comes it'll be a win for everyone after all well if Christians can be forced to promote messages with which they fundamentally disagree then as ATF points out it can force anyone to do the same and LGBT printer who declines to create t shirts criticizing same sex marriage a democratic speechwriter who declined to write speeches for the Republican National Convention where Muslim singer who declined to sing Christian songs got a concert that's a world none of us wants to live in come to breakpoint dot. Org Click on this commentary for more resources on the hands on case as well as for ATF and other organizations innovations that defend free speech and religious liberty for breakpoint. I'm John Stonestreet.

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Fintech Firms Flock to Lithuania - DTH

Daily Tech Headlines

04:28 min | 1 year ago

Fintech Firms Flock to Lithuania - DTH

"Real protection means having a safe and smart home custom fit to your lifestyle with ADT. You can set up automations unique to your home to automatically do things. Like lock the doors and set the thermostat when you leave even close your garage door from virtually anywhere. That's real protection with the AT go app SOS button, the safety net of eighty t is always with you. Visit ATT dot com slash podcast to learn more about how ADT can design and install a secure smart home. Just for you. And then these are the daily tech headlines for February eighth. Twenty nineteenth, hyper extrapolate. According to sources speaking to the Russian business daily Vedomosti Google has censored roughly seventy percent of websites blacklisted by the country's communication regulator. The move seems to put Google into compliance with twenty seventeen regulations that require search engines to delete officially blacklisted content. Google was fined seventy five hundred dollars back in November for failure to do so previously. According to Google's latest transparency report. Russia accounted for seventy five percent of global takedown requests. And the first half of two thousand nineteen. Speaking to Reuters, Lithuania's central Bank disclosed that roughly one hundred fintech companies have applied to operate in the country in order to ensure access to the European Union after Brexit firms, including British online, banks and Google are seeking electronic money institution licenses in Lithuania as of January the country has only issued a total of eighty three licenses and Bank officials say they lack the resources to review all applications prior to Britain's March twenty ninth exit from the EU Italy will not ban Weiwei Z T from helping build the country's five, gene network. According to a statement from Italy's industry ministry earlier on Thursday, the Italian newspaper, La Stampa cited senior government sources saying romo's ready to use special powers to terminate contracts with the two Chinese companies. Google fiber announced that they will be ending service in Louisville Kentucky and will not charge for their final two months of service for subscribers. The announcement blames the departure on faulty infrastructure decisions to place their lines in shallow trenches, which proved to be unreliable and require a full reinstallation to fix long-term. In a blog post Thursday, Amazon VP of global public policy at AWS, Michael pink said the company supports appropriate legislation surrounding the use of facial recognition technology by law enforcement to ensure protected. Civil rights are not being violated. This follows a similar declaration from Microsoft last month, saying discourages, the use of technology to engage in unlawful discrimination and courage. His customers to be transparent about its use. Facebook confirmed Rico that's restructuring its youth team focusing on increased investment and messenger. Kids. The company is shutting down the map LL and will continue to develop the high school community feature to connect classmates. Spotify publishing. Updated terms of service that explicitly bans ad blocking on the service. According to the new terms circumventing or blocking advertisements in the Spotify service can result in either immediate termination or suspension of service without warning the new O S goes into effect March first. Google announced its open sourcing its bug. Finding infrastructure cluster fuzz on get hub fussing is a term for an automated software testing process that inputs invalid unexpected or random data into a computer program, which is monitored to see if exceptions occur like crashes and memory leaks, cluster fuzz is Google's cloud based implementation that runs on twenty five thousand cores and was not in two thousand twelve two years ago. The company offered cluster fuss as a free service to open source projects. Google announced that with the release of chrome Seventy-three next month, the browser will officially support multimedia keys users will be able to control both audio and video as well. As work whether crumbs in the foreground or minimized Crump Seventy-three will also include the media session API which developers can use to customize the behavior of multimedia keys. Support will come initially to chrome on chrome OS, Mac OS and windows with lenox coming, but an unspecified date and finally spent filed a lawsuit against AT and T in the southern district of New York claiming the company's use of five G. Evolution on phones was false advertising and damages the reputation of the five G standard the complaint cited a survey mission by sprint the found that fifty four percent of consumers thought five G E was acquitted or better than five g the suit seeks injunction, preventing AT and T from using the term on phones or an advertising. More discussion of the tech. News of the day subscribed. Daily take new show took new show dot com. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you next time and from all of us here at tech headlines. Remember have a. Super sparkly day.

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Banks Give Investigators Documents on Russians Possibly Tied to Trump

WSJ What's News

11:27 min | 1 year ago

Banks Give Investigators Documents on Russians Possibly Tied to Trump

"Here's some breaking news. Podcasts are on spotify. Now you can get your favorite shows like this one right in the podcast section of your spotify app. All the the best news podcasts all in one place. Listen free on spotify nature wall street banks given congressional committees investigating president trump thousands of pages of documents so a lot of very different financial information being handed over and bond yields fall prompting opting big swings in the market. Everyone is quite unsure what to expect because everything is so hard to read. Let's billionaire. Leslie wexner says jeff seen misappropriated appropriated sums of money from him. This is what's news from the wall street journal. I'm kim get allston. Let's get started now before we take a look at what documents major wall street banks are turning over to congressional investigators probing president trump's financial dealings. Here's what you missed. I president trump met with victims of mass shootings in dayton ohio and el paso texas yesterday. The trip was designed to offer comfort. During a moment of national national mourning. They have done an incredible job both places just incredible and the enthusiasm the love the respect and also the let me let's see if we can get something and republicans want to do democrats want to have her visits were met with protests in both cities. They're also fights with democrats pat's angered by his rhetoric and skeptical of his pledge to tackle gun violence. Here's democratic presidential candidate baidoa work addressing a protest in el paso. We live in a country where we have a president who demonize his communities like this one who vilifies immigrants who says that those from mexico are rapists. This criminals and warns of invasions and infestations democrats are continuing to press president trump to throw his support behind gun control legislation solution separately universal pictures said it would halt marketing for its movie the hunt in the wake of the two mass shootings. The movie depicts a divided nation. We're heavily armed. Elites hunt down and kill others for sport and leslie wexner. The billionaire behind victoria's secret said that his former money manager jeffrey free epstein misappropriated more than forty six million dollars of his fortune. He disclosed the issue in a letter to his foundation on wednesday. Mr wexner sner wrote that the missing funds were uncovered after he decided in two thousand seven to suffer ties with mr epstein. Mr began the separation process after allegations against mr epstein surface involving sexual abuse of underage girls. A lawyer for mr epstein couldn't be reached for comment. A spokesman for mr wexner declined to comment on whether mr wexner and reported the matter to authorities now our main story story this morning. It's a look at what financial documents big wall street banks have turned over to congressional investigators probing president trump's dealings thousands of pages documents have been turned over by the likes of citigroup and deutsche bank according to people familiar with the investigations to find out more charlie turner has been speaking to jean eagle awesome gene congressional committees controlled by democrats have subpoenaed documents for major wall street banks related to russians who may have had dealings with president trump up his family or his business new york state investigators have also made requests regarding mr trump's business and you remind us what information the house intelligence and judiciary committees are looking for and what new york state investigators are seeking and all these documents show so the congressional committees. They're focusing partly on these russians looking for any connections between russian business people and the president and his business the separately going to the bank store shirt and capital one looking for information a real wide range of information on president trump's personal finances his family's finances his business in the lawsuits suits blocking seeking to block subpoenas de complaining that they're looking for even every debit card transaction for groceries. It's very very wide ranging subpoenas at the same time we have the new york state attorney general and she's going to georgia for information on three specific loans and another loan that didn't go goes through and also to investor's bank for mortgage related to one of president trump's properties in new york so a lot of very different financial information lot of records being handed over at the moment some questions here. What do we know so far which banks have responded and to what degree degree have they cooperated. What we know is that a lot of the major wall street banks have handed over thousands of documents to congressional investigators news and also there's a lot of documents have gone to the new york state attorney general from the two banks who've been subpoenaed there so what's happening is the president has gone to court to fight to the subpoenas which are ones that are particularly related to his personal finances his family's finances and they're in court did a very intrusive and these legal battles going on away for appeals courts to rule on those but while what's happening what we're reporting is a lot of information relates to the president that's being handed over maxine waters democrat from california and and chairperson of one of the committees has said that they've received a lot yes. She says she's got. They've got a lot from the banks that going through it now now what they've got. They've asked the these banks. This is all a major street firms for information on russian oligarchs business people who have been linked to president trump in one way or another another so they're essentially looking at these russians and seeing if they can see any information if a financial trail from the russian business people people to the president or his family or business in some way now. We don't know what's in those documents. We don't know if they're gonna find anything but that that's a route route that taking now president trump hasn't he argued that these subpoenas are entirely political. President trump has been cold the the congressional subpoenas as as you say are politically motivated their intrusive. He's saying the lawmakers are going beyond the powers. I have because these are investigations. Were really just fishing. She expeditions looking for information does not directly connected to legislation the dilemma. He has is the new york state attorney. General can really ask ask for any information related investigation so he can't go to court and try and block the demands for information that the new state's attorney general has made and in fact. We're reporting that the banks are complying with the subpoenas an are handing over the documents only different loans you can find genes full report with rebecca davis o'brien and john yvonne hughes up on w._s._j. Dot com here's some breaking news. Podcasts are on spotify. Now you can get your favorite shows like this one right in the podcast section of your spotify app all the best news podcasts all in one place. Listen free on spotify on to markets china set a daily anchor for trading in its currency at its weakest level since two thousand eight today this followed a tumultuous this day on wall street prompted by a fall in bond yields kneeled spall when prices rise which is a sign that investor demand for safe assets like bonds is increasing our markets markets reporter. Anna isaac has more well. It's as you say been atrocious few days for markets. Now this this fixing that's been carried out by china to to try and keep deeper keep a handle on how the currency will move in today's trading and it doesn't really change the overall narrative for markets that started at the very beginning of this week which which has caused these these massive fluctuations sort of snap back to volatility that we're seeing now. I'm a nowhere as you rightly say. It's more more clear to read than in u._s. Treasuries he's <hes> we saw a whole bunch of the two year three ten year dirty an hit fifty two week lows in trading yesterday. That's taking a snap snap shot at the end of the u._s. Trading day anna says that while some investors are looking for safety others now smell opportunity. There's also a sense to which opportunity strikes yikes when volatility returns we have had <hes> a bull market for a long time inequities but for a lot of currency traders for a lot of other asset class traders is there's been a sense too which everything's been very calm since the financial crisis. That's mental of asset classes have made it very hard. Generate a return you know people with low yields fields on <hes> government bonds or even negative yields on government bonds. Gonna find it very hard to actually make any money out of that so what people now will be moving to do. Invest as saying they're trying to do is turn workout who can win this volatility. How can they start looking at the volatility. Index is a sort of a guide to where they can take opportunities <music> and now the scan. Here's what else for paying attention today. Kraft heinz is set to report its. It's earnings today before market open. It's the first from the company after revealed earlier this year that the s._e._c. was probing accounting practices at one of its divisions from conseco heather had in has more the last. We've actually heard from them. Was there twenty eighteen full year filing which they made three months late finally in june june which showed some of these accounting changes about two hundred eight million dollars and accounting changes that they had to <hes> account for across multiple years so this is the first time going forward that they've reported earnings sent and so we'll have both the first and second quarter i believe for the company which they are very laid on and we really don't know i mean from all the analysts reports i've read. It looks like it's going to be difficult for them. I mean we're going to be comparing. Herrings difficult years for them. <hes> since all these changes child expect a difficult report will probably the stock to fall well also be paying attention to uber which reports puts its earnings after market close yesterday after the bell rival lift raised its revenue outlook for the rest of the year as it gained more riders lift also said it planned to lose less money this year than expected shares in the company surged more than eleven percent in after hours trading finally. Here's an interesting one for you. The maker of of arizona ice tea has reached a licensing agreement with dixie brands to get into the weed infused gumy's and drinks business plans for the arizona liner during the early stages but we report they're likely to start with vape pens and gumy's followed by a variety of beverages that could include tea lemonade soda coffee or seltzer. One of our readers wrote in. I would have loved to have been there when someone had to pitch this to their c._e._o. That's what's news from the wall street journal. Thanks for surname.

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Peaky Blinders S3E1

Previously, on...

06:38 min | 1 year ago

Peaky Blinders S3E1

"Welcome to previously about caceres created to help you through some of the most complex complex yet really at television ever night. Peaky blinders seasonal three of his two whole years of passan's thomas his brush with death and notification that winston churchill being touched sometime in the future regarding the job is wedding days arrived the vastly different families of the shelby's in the burgess sit across from one another in church as thomas awaits the arrival of grace his bride ride the wedding which plays and grace walks down the aisle with their uncle who was full cavalry uniform in an impressive manor house in the worship country saad allege family poultry depicts thomas grace and a young son staff busy paying for post wedding banquet and church. Is you pronounce his the couple man and wife. I have to rapturous cheering and applause from the shelby side of the church on refined silence from the other during a photo op outside thomas appears preoccupied and edgy glancing at a man who returns it look like terim. Thomas is at his desk in a grand office. He walks through the throngs of celebrating well-wishes gathering the family as he goes a young woman in causes to the availability of cocaine. The party wants out of the way attends thomas demands. There's to be no fighting no cocaine no stealing no full coaching telling a no messing up. He finds grace in the bedroom. She questions why so uptight he reassures just business no the wedding he then admits he scared for her and their child she demands my whiny jokes that he scared of his best man's speech the mood lightens and the have sex on not the downstairs john makes appropriate jokes about the cavalry and aided told passionately about communism with grace's family paulie meanwhile makes contact with a man but his purge each by different man a russian who asks to join the russian man anton caliban st thomas developed business interests with russia drawing a furious aureus polity question wise token russian business nephew's wedding day the time for office speech arrives from the off his woods rox by nerves in his moment begins to crashes. He tries to deliver something heartfelt but instead flusters bumbled his way through it thomas cuts the speech short raises. A toast humiliated author legs is it thomas finds him outside telling him that grace's family. I have no idea or a husband killed himself. They believe is an accident raising concerns heathrow awesome about to spill the beans and angry off storms away shouting but after buying his leg returns thomas then delivers the news that the russians of may contact in this business to be done. I can side polly <unk> down kaladin asking for a codename anton says constantine on the grounds and impromptu horse races arranged and fixed a horse the calorie boys will feel loyalty obliged to back his dosed upon morphine and water the money. The blinds takes to be given to the shelby foundation charity in an effort effort to show the poll how the shelby's give back to the calendar meets thomas away from the crowds. He informs me as being watched at work and home. Thomas asks for his his moneys told the jubes nieces on route with the cash is to meet her at the station at ten. Thomas changes the plans and determines the have come to his home instead thomas. Thomas tells authoring jones have johnny dogs too far in the woods and send fin to watch the gates in a room away from the polity. Michael gives a young woman coke. It is important. Take himself a notice his she too is it experienced. Grace approaches paulie looking for thomas reveal. She knows about the russians buying weapons to fight and help. Churchill is the go between police prizes a by stating the business started to night. Thinking of the info grace reminds us to get information for a living to polly britney state. She hasn't forgotten only thomas pass during the first dan's grace questions thomas about the business pleading not let anything happen just to get the job done than leave it behind them. He promises to they declare <hes> that love for one another and he says he'll keep them all safe that the gates zara muslims duchess tatyana petrovna thomas asks for the money then reveals that caliban gave the ron codename. She asks to see calendar. She knows him by site. Thomas raises his voice. Stating churchill said no variations in the man gave the wrong name the money's take the car and counted with everything in order. Tatyana is told to leave but asks kenny do the job can he kill thomas. Tells must return the duchess birmingham. Afterwards author opens up to us that he doesn't want to do the job told they've got no choice. Oh hang we mention of tang's. Being stolen and thomas says the money they'll get a huge huge and he plans to buy the wharf at boston. Docks with it. Polly meets monday mr oliver p._s. Pulled away by thomas with news to keep people dancing and that a fire has been lit author and is intel's callen woman's to see him escorting amount to the stables. Kaladin suspicions are aroused as they walk a fight erupts. Ending went off shoots the russian in the head killing him. The money spent to polly ruben oliver offers to spend the night with but she turns him down the funds his wife linder in the chaplain hampshire flower flower. She sees his distress and things over. The speech says she comforts him in the woods. The body of kevin is burned the next morning the shelby family depart by for birmingham coming up when to the shelby house and see money placed inside a safe absolutely bursting with cash polly questions thomases decision to gamble it all over one robbery he tells a again. Thanks for listening listening hope. It's been helpful. If you've enjoyed this. I would love if he subscribes. We've got loads more shows this came from and we'd love you to join us a five watchdog review wherever you you'll podcast from it also be absolutely fantastic if you've got any feedback or ideas for show that we should be covering gloomy suddenly be doing the big ones but you never know. It may be others that we've missed. Let us know i'd love to hear from you. 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Whats Happened To American Democracy Under Trump

The Diane Rehm Show

37:16 min | 4 months ago

Whats Happened To American Democracy Under Trump

"Excited SCION mind. What's happened to American democracy under president trump as his so called? Never Trump Republican from has been a vocal critic president from the beginning in two thousand eighteen. He wrote a book about how trump was corrupting the offset. The presidency now from is back with the sequel that examines how the country's Democratic Institutions have fared during this first term and why he thinks many reforms are needed from how we vote to climate change policy. The folk is titled Trump Park Limbs restoring American democracy. I spoke with him Monday morning. Gave it trump? I must say the subtitle of Your Book Restoring American Democracy seems to be the antithesis the title of Your Book Trump Pacalypse. Explain that to me. We use the word apocalypse to mean calamity. Catastrophe and of the world but literally. An apocalypse is a revelation. That's why it's called the book of revelations that he's from the Greek words meaning to unveil and the thing that the authors of the Christian book of revelations on the Jewish folks that were in at the same time we're unveiling was vision of the future. Both the calamities accompanied that future. But the possibilities. So trump alkaloids although it is written in the midst of this pandemic And the opening chapters deal with pandemic it is ultimately of purpose and hope about things that can be done to make America democracy stronger and you actually wrote the book before the pandemic that then wrote the introduction to the book while you were locked in tell me about your thoughts on how this president as dealt with the pandemic. I wrote the book in anticipation of a bad tidings in twenty twenty what I expected was a recession because of the president's protectionist trade policies and I feared the United States stumbled tumbled into a shooting war with Iran. I didn't anticipate a pandemic but there was time to as you say fix what the dreaded event would be. Obviously the president has handled this as badly as could be at every turn and of course the pandemic in its origin is not his false but his response is chosen and response continues to be mistake after mistake. One of the mistakes that is most fraught for the future. Is I think it will just stagger people when they look back on this that we went through this global pandemic with no American global leadership and no global cooperation That we have not had the images of leaders on zoom talking together got the United States talking to the leadership pan and Britain and Australia Canada France. Many other nations. We haven't seen the kind of high level sharing of information. Different countries are trying different methods. And who knows which will work best they should be. It should be cooperating and sharing that information. The Swedes haven't approached the the British hovering approach Japanese. Having approach. We can learn from one another and we have had this eruption of national selfishness of the United States embargoing the exports of American medical technology to other countries forgetting that the United States also importer. And if we all embargo each other will be weaker for it. So it is brought to a combination many of the characteristic of faults of the trump era. But it's also shown us the way forward. We are going to have to move to a future of greater cooperation. One of the things book is written very much in mind of is America's place in the world and this pandemic should reminded the world. Twenty twenty-first-century is a world in which the United States to the first time will face a competitor in China WHO's an economic equal has never happened before. Not Maybe not. Since the Kaiser's Germany at the beginning of the twentieth century and that is just too big to bully and on trump doesn't understand that and if a if a if a competitor is too big to bully then to constrain it to behave better you need to cooperate with France. Indeed trump is blaming China for the entire pandemic. Meanwhile saying of himself. I take no responsibility at all. I suggest in the book that the phrase I take no responsibility at all will become the taff on this presidency. There thinks certainly you can criticize China however exactly the pandemic started Whether it started with bad hygienic practices that the Chinese market or whether started with sloppy disposal of waste from Chinese lab. We don't we don't know But trump blames China as an excuse and the reason the American people higher presence is precisely because they are threatened with dangerous of all kinds from all over the world and the president's job to cap a bureaucracy that is there to plan for an anticipate hazards and to protect you from. That's what you're paying for. So it's it's like you have a burglary and the cops don't come and when you say why didn't you come. They will the burglar. Is the Burglars Fault? Of course the burglary was the burglars. Fault that's why we pay for police. This since he has a was Sunday. You and I are speaking on name Memorial Day holiday. Donald Trump was so eager to open a churches. Can you talk about why you think that was the the trump campaign and the Republican party are pretty obviously seeing that data that shows that they are at last beginning to lose support in their core constituencies Donald Trump has? He's been historically unpopular president about something that all of his salesmanship is designed to conceal. Obviously only president in the history of polling never wants to reach fifty percent in his first term in any reliable. I leave aside recipes. And that's not a a slur. Just use methods that most pollsters don't agree with so he's been historic gun pop on the other hand. He's had a pretty high floor. He's not he's never much sunk below about forty one forty two percent and his core base of the thirty five percent. Really support him that seat. That has looked impermeable until now. We're beginning to see movement among the over sixty five and we're beginning to see movement among White Evangelical and so the trump campaign is worried about that and they've decided to start a cultural war over church opening as their response and this Culture Wars Reminder. So you need to keep in mind as a readable. What the president's doing because the president excite so much emotion when he does something people tend to attribute evil genius to a lot of his motives. He's tried to distract you. He's trying to. You've got some brilliant evil plan in mind up is one of his. Aides said earlier in the presidency. An anonymous quote that I forget now God of this this is one of the great quotes of the trump presidency. People WRITE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. As if he's playing three dimensional chess when most the time he's just eating the pieces and I think he's going to discover the reason sliding over sixty five and Among White Evangelical is because the economic harm done by the mismanagement of the pandemic and the culture war over. The church's is not going to change any of that people are still going to be losing their businesses. Losing their jobs losing their savings and he's still going to find himself campaigning for reelection with unemployment. Maybe as high as twenty percents certainly in the vicinity fifteen percent. But you know I spoke with a young man over the weekend and I said and I know he is had trump supporter and I said considering the virus considering everything that's happening. How are you feeling about trump? Now and his response was well. I don't blame him. He doesn't deserve the blame for everything. That's happening. How do you responded that the way politics works? And maybe it shouldn't work this way the way the human mind works is presidents. Get credit for things. They don't deserve in presidents. Get blamed for things. They don't entirely serve Bill Clinton got reelected in one thousand nine hundred six because the American economy moved into a period of higher productivity growth higher employment and higher wealth because nineteen ninety six was the year the Internet really came together that that was a project that had begun in the late nineteen sixties And getting the Internet going taking a lot of set of waste in the eighties and nineties. The benefit showed up in one thousand nine hundred six. It wasn't really Bill Clinton's doing all and he got the benefit for it and in the same way that George. H W Bush lost the election of Nineteen ninety-two very much because of the financial shock of the savings and loan disaster. That was a disaster. The George H W Bush handled extremely well and in it. We got through it with very little pain. Considering the magnitude of loss but still the loss happened people felt it and in nineteen ninety. Two things were down and so the incumbent lost in this case the magnitude of the disaster so enormous. We've had this mode of of studied politics. That is based on you know negative partisanship that we've been rerunning. The two thousand sixteen campaign again and again and again in our minds and I don't think we're ready for what happens to a country when you re run in the election in the middle of the worst downturn since the Great Depression let's look at that forthcoming election. There are concerns about it. There are concerns about the balance whether we can use mail-in ballots or not. There is concern about the by ability. The Postal Service Sarah concerns at ballot whether people are registering this morning on morning edition. I heard that registration is down over the last month. That's worrisome concerns. You raise are indeed very troubling and one of the elements of the trump Up Says I describe it is the way in which Donald Trump has led his party to be explicit. About how our strategy is not to win a majority of the vote but to disqualify enough people so that our minority looks like majority and one of the big themes of the second half of the book where allowed a program of what I think are very feasible reforms. Not I I'm not doing anything requires a constitutional amendment nothing romantic. I'm not talking about the Electoral College. Anything on talk about very fixed workable reforms. You could do with two houses of Congress in the presidential signature or you could do at the state level bite-size reforms that we need to take over the past decade has been one of those schools in American life. When democracy has shrunk and democracy Ebbs and flows is not a steady evolution toward the Lands of progress. It's it's always contested in the past. Ten years is become true that not letting people vote making it difficult for people Making the vote. More unrepresentative has become a more important part of our politics. Right now The Republican Party holds almost two thirds of the seats house Senate Wisconsin State legislature which they won with forty five percent of the vote and you see similar kinds of imbalances in Michigan and other states as well so democracy means that power is decided by peaceful competition at the ballot. Box The larger group getting to exercise now absolute power. We have rights. We have checks and balances but they get to govern and in the United States since two thousand and ten. That's not been the way we've been doing things and so the book is full of ideas about. How do we make that the way we do things in the future? Because that's the way most people assume we are doing things but to how do you move in a direction? The US guest without cooperation between the two sides the house and the Senate the White House every body being long board. Here's a suggestion so I assume in two thousand twenty the Democrats will do pretty well in state elections. I don't know exactly but I they'll pick up some states and of course twenty twenty is a census year as well so there will be redistricting book the Democrats States in contestants days. They control North Carolina may be one of them. Wisconsin may be one of them draw. I mean it's crazy. The politicians draw maps. No other democracy allows them to do it but the American way. Okay so we I propose that they draw to maps what we could do and what we should and then submit them to their Republican counterparts in other states Georgia. Tech's look if you WANNA do. You can do in Georgia. We will do what we can do in North Carolina but we could also do it the way that we should do it so the state's competitive you should do it and let's have a balance of deterrence and that doesn't require cooperation balance. I think if there is A Democratic Congress then in the first hours of the new Congress the Democratic Senate can get rid of the filibuster been shrinking. Harry Reid shrank at for a judicial nominations Mitch McConnell than used it So you know it is the Filibuster is not in. The constitution is not in the law is just a rule of the Senate it's It's been changed before it can be changed again. Just do it and they'll be some yelling just I think. Republicans will be disoriented enough after the trump defeat. Just do it. Why why outfit. Because the Senate has become evermore extremely unrepresentative. Senate was never designed to be representative. But we are getting to the point now where you can control a majority of the Senate with something like a quarter of the country's population and we're soon at the point where the Senate you'll have enough. Senate seats to amend the Constitution with only a minority of the people of the United States and this is just a phenomenon of people moving out of the center of the country to the coasts where the the most economically dynamic parts of the country. And we're stuck with the Senate it's part of the original constitutional design up the idea that you then say here's this body that his evermore unrepresentative and we're going to insert this new requirement. That not only have to win a majority of this unrepresentative body after one sixty percent of it then the American majority will never be allowed to govern itself. So get rid of it and then what you discover is you can do things like passing you. Voting Rights Act in two thousand thirteen supreme court struck down the heart and soul of the nineteen sixty five voting rights act and what the Supreme Court said when it did that was not crazy and said look the night sixty five voting rights act applied extra scrutiny to places where in the nineteenth century voting had been unfair and is that going forward from ninety sixty five that we will have special scrutiny of places where voting has historically been on fair and the result is Hawaii. Which is a good actor. Voting has been underspent was under special scrutiny in two thousand thirteen and Wisconsin which is the worst. Dr North of the Mason Dixon line was not under special scrutiny. The court said you can have special scrutiny of voting behaviors but it has to be related to something rational not something that ancient history so you should have these rules. I think everywhere. Apply them across the country. As the example of Wisconsin shows that the great great great grandfather of the people in the state fought for the Union. As opposed to the confederacy does not immunize your state forever against minorities abusing majorities so. Let's have a new voting rights. Act One of the things. I also proposing the book and this can be done once you get rid of the filibuster with just a vote. The House and Senate and the signature by the president is statehood for the residential areas of the District of Columbia. The district Columbia will soon have more residents than Wyoming Vermont North Dakota and Alaska and it contributes much more and receives much less from the federal government than a third of the state's so you'll get two senators probably Democrats probably people her and that will do something to again to write the balance in the Senate and I say this even I mean. I'm still a registered Republican. I I will vote for Republican Candidates District of Columbia but Republicans Democrats. A white have to agree that the governor of the United States should be elected by majority of the people of the United States. More conversation with David from when we come back Here is asked my conversation with David from his new book is titled Trump Pacalypse Restoring American democracy. David with all the talk about the election. What about trump's first term and accountability? What about the government as it is now operating and how the country sees it? I have a chapter in tropical clips about what I call the failure of the Mueller investigation and from the spring of two thousand seventeen I was opposed to appoint a special counsel to look into the trump Russia matter. And I was very worried about Mueller investigation. All the way through because I argued in two thousand seventeen and I argue now that the important things that happened between trump and Russia were not crimes They were improper. They're unethical they're unpatriotic for there are now crimes and special counsels do is they look for crimes. Prosecutable crimes is not a crime for a private citizen in the United States own lot of money to shady Russian business people is not a crime for him to have mortgages co-signed by shady Russian business people. That's what happened It's not a crime to be happy. When the Russian telling Services Hacker Democratic opponent published embarrassing? Email is not crime to wish that they would do it again. None of those things are criminal. And when set special counsel approach to trump Russia we committed ourselves to approach guaranteed would not find out the things we needed to know and we will be on a path that would not hold the president to account for what was a national security problem. Not a criminal justice problem so that is an example of how trump evaded accountability. There's a big debate that people have about the trump years. Which did the Sushi hold? Basically what did they basically not? And I'm on. The side of where pressure was applied institutions cracked. They were not overwhelmed That that they sometimes the side of the institutions one but much more damage was done than most people in two thousand sixteen anticipated. It may an example of where institutions cracked the most important examples the Department of Justice President Trump was able to I appoint attorney general sessions sessions with someone who very much agreed with trump on the issues but was a man of more independence and character. He he was a believer in a holder of the formal rule of law trump. Got Rid of him and replaced him with Attorney General Bar and they have politicized the enforcement of criminal justice trauma clip just part of a two book cycle a previous book called trump accuracy and About how gained use power trump clips about the consequences of power now to remedy those consequences. Trump accuracy I observe something based on some reporting done in Hungary earlier. About what happens when you take the law in advanced country like United States? It's not like some fascist country of the nineteen thirties. You can't persecute innocent people but what you can do is protect guilty. People and trump success has been an area after our Amer seeing now with the way. Michael Flynn is being off. The that trump has used the politicization the Department of Justice to protect people who keep his secrets. Michael Flynn being one. What is distinctive about Michael? Flynn was He got a light sentence originally by promising cooperation and then he refused to cooperate. did not answer the questions that the special counsel investigation had for him certainly didn't deserve lenient treatment and then although he did lie to the FBI. And if you did that or I did that we would be severely punished on the Department of Justice is recommending. That he be let free now. We'll see what the judge agrees but it will be hard for the judge in the case. Diffuse the recommendation from the Department of Justice. What I'm not understanding and I think I'm not alone are it is thins had depended to a great extent on hell. The congress will work together to fix to resolve to come together in ways that do help to resolve problems. Why had stis? Congress been so unable to move forward in any productive. Boy I quote in Pakalitha a Republican Congressman from Florida. Ted Yellow. Who in a TV debate said I worked for the President? I answer to the president. I'm now going to forget. But I think dealers districts fifty six percent go to fifty six for trump into in two thousand sixteen so that means forty four percent of the people in his constituency voted against Donald Trump. Now historically the way a member the House with thing is I represent my district and Most of the people my district vote one way so most of the time I go with them but an important minority people my district and and I'm always on the lookout for how I can increase my share of the vote And I certainly want to not make them so mad at me that they will go knock on doors and give money. I want them to be sort of a jazz. You know they put up with me because they know I care of them too. And if they're their kids graduate from high school and come to Washington DC the days when you do that. I'm going to give them just as good trip as I'm going to give the kids of the people whose parents did vote from what what is important. That quote is the attitude revealed. There is one that increasingly characterizes the House representatives where you have a lot of districts which are where there's a thin majority where the incumbent typically in Fort before twenty eighteen Republican would say I I'm going to represent fifty five percent of the people of my district not all of my district or not fifty five percent of the people in my district of developers were able to vote in my district because we're also doing is locating the voting devices in ways to make life more convenient for som- and much more difficult for others at see that happening in fate in the coming election. I think that's Donald Trump's only hope although I say he often misjudges things the one thing he's got right is the lower. The turnout is in the election. Probably the better for him because although over sixty five turning away from him they still predominantly support him And the people who. He looks to vote for him are more committed to the political process in the people who eat will probably vote against him. So he's he's trying to drive it down make it more difficult And that's that's the only strategy he's got because he doesn't have a record at this point. I mean it's pretty hard to save. Vote for me because the economy used to be great In the first three years of my presidency never mind that in the fourth year my presidency is the worst that it's been since nineteen thirties. How important do you believe the removal or replacement of the inspectors general? That he has done. Hello important is all that well. It's reveals something that goes to a question you asked a minute ago. But the way congress used to work together so the inspectors general our strange beast inside the federal government they were created in the nineteen seventies during the post Watergate reform and there are people were selected by. The president belong to the executive branch but are supposed to hold executive branch to account and they report to Congress in a privileged way In particular president cannot instantly fire inspector. General they're supposed to be although trump is explored this a thirty day cooling off period in which the inspector general can go testify to Congress and tell them what the inspector general found now. I don't know if you've argued this case all the way to the Supreme Court where the Supreme Court would find a problem with. This is the core tenses. I look you're either in the executive branch in which case you report on the president or you're not in the executive branch but it's it was part of the system of cooperation between the branches that was part and parcel of the post Watergate reforms and another one of those. That is very much trouble. Now are the House and Senate intelligence committees. This is something. I really worry about a lot in the post trump here so before Watergate before the Middle Nineteen Seventies. Congress had absolutely no idea with the CIA and the FBI. We're doing and oftentimes. The president had only very vague idea. Of what the CIA and FBI were doing in the middle nights that he's a big bunch of FBI and CIA scandals. Come to light. People are horrified and want to impose. Kind of not only stricter presidential control. So they'll never again be a roy hoover but also bring Congress into the process as they set up these two committees which are supposed to review the secrets of the intelligence agencies But when you had The House Committee was chaired for two years. By Devin Nunes of California who's now the ranking member and Nunez would regularly blab things he learned for political purposes you know CIA FBI other agencies. They don't love sharing the congress in the first place. They don't trust Congress than always respect. Congress they are looking for reasons not to cooperate. With Congress Endeavour Nunez's example is an excellent reason not to cooperate with Congress. So how how? We will get back into the habit of training intelligence committees. You do have to share things with Congress. You have tell them what you're up to and not just the President Congress to And you and then we are going to ensure that the people on these are people who are worthy of trust that they will Behave less partisan way The nudist example. I think is going to do really lasting injury to the possibility of democratic oversight of what the FBI CIA and other agencies to sell it. Sounds as though what you're saying is that even IF DONALD TRUMP LOSE IN NOVEMBER? What he has done is going to change the landscape permanently going forward. What will nothing is permanent and it would. Does it create demand so one of the questions I get asked and I'm sure you do too a lot about the trump eras what will happen. What will the future be and I always bridal not to be cowardly because when you asked make these predictions that treats the future like thing that already exists that you can make statements about whereas the futures chose and so if Donald Trump is defeated Publicans take the losses they deserve in the Senate. Then there's opportunity to do again what was done in the Middle Nineteen seventies and to embark on a new era of prudent practical feasible reforms to strengthen democratic oversight to strengthen American Democratic Participation To make government work better. And that's a choice. We can do that. We don't I'm not saying we will but we could and I'm hoping that by offering people a menu things you could do that. I will contribute in some way to that area for for. What do you see that we the American people should be doing right now? Thinking ahead about member. What right now. The most important thing is to maintain the sense of potential political power not to feel defeated not to feel helpless not to be so overwhelmed by the drumbeat of news that you give up tune out and not to be driven also into looking for impossible solutions so. I think there's a certain mood among more progressive people. There's a demand for some changes. That really can't happen. You can't get rid of the electoral college you just. Can't you know you can mitigated to some degree? You can't get rid of it No one's they're not going to add four more judges to the Supreme Court that kind of thing and the United States is not going to have a universal healthcare system like that of Great Britain or candidates. None of those things are going to happen. And if you make the test of progress whether something impossible is achieved in anything short of the impossible as a betrayal the it. Isn't you mobilize people to do things discouraged? Because people of common sense can see all these things you're talking about are not going to happen so therefore there's nothing to do. The Genius of American reform has always been it's incremental nature and I talked I talked with some substantial reforms of a about the economy about the healthcare system and I quote a line of Theodore Roosevelt's Who More than a century go was challenged by somebody who said of his ideas why these are socialism and Roosevelt said. The first Roswell reforms are not socialism reforms of the editor socials that reforms that keep the existing system of society seeming fair and acceptable are exactly the way you avert revolutions. Said we interested that you address. Climate Change as book. Tell me why or I it is genuinely a really important problem but second one of the things I do in this is I try to link. Ideas are not often together and to show how you can build cross. Ideological consensus is one of the things that a real climate change program does is it also applies extraordinarily powerful pressure upon China. So typically we think people were want to be tough on. China's belongs to the political right. We think of people want to be do something. The climate is being on the political left. But if you put a price on carbon emissions inside the United States what you do. Just by that fact you're putting a carbon tariff around the United States the countries that do not tax carbon will find that their products are more expensive inside the United States. And if you can work together with other like minded democracies and say you know what Actually GONNA have a carbon tariffs not just around the United States but around all of North America will get and Mexico to agree and maybe it will sign a treaty with the European Union where it's the same carbon tariff around the United States and around Nafta in the European Union. You can present the Chinese. A big enough block of power to say You make your exports look cheaper than they really are five making all of us absorb the carbon risks. And you're not gonna be allowed to do that anymore. And therefore you either must change your behavior and that may be part of a genuine response water toward health and safety or else you're gonna find yourself finding more difficult to get to our markets also interested in your opinion as to whether you think Joe Biden can Britain together enough voters to support him or is he making too many mistakes. Along the way years and years ago I covered a political race. I probably shouldn't use names here but Covered up a political race where a more senior. Republican politicians coaching. A more junior Republican politician and the more junior politician was in the habit of saying crazy. Things and the senior politicians said him. When you're running against an incumbent junior politician was there only two ish incumbent's record and you're not a lunatic that case advice was stop sounding like a limit. Joe Biden's problem is not getting elected issues. The incumbent's record and and you're not a lunatic Biden's obviously not a lunatic and the incomes record is terrible so the Challenger should win. The reason by needs to hard about what he's doing during his campaign is not. There's any mistake he could make. I'm there may be some mistake but the mistakes. He's likely to make a not likely to over. Balance Fifteen to twenty percent unemployment but he could make mistakes now that make it very hard for him to govern effectively later and one of the points of a campaign is not just to win to set a blueprint for governing. So that later when the new president interest power at the head of a giant Medicare Polish. American coalitions are always messing on the democratic coalition is usually messier than the Republican and everyone has a million ideas of what to do The people around the president say the president elect said. This is our top priority. This was our second. This is your third in A. We're not no disrespect to your idea. But that's not one of our top ten priorities. Will you know maybe the second tour so that if you don't have an orderly process it makes it very hard to govern effectively? So that's the challenge for by out of impressive thing. What Biden is. He has always been surrounded by unusually talented people. He's been a very good judge of character and he's been very good at keeping people attached and motivated and that's not always true even of smarten capable politicians with him interesting. Any final thoughts. You want to tell us where I the main thing. I want to leave people. 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Breaking With Convention: Why This Years Democratic And Republican Conventions Are Making History

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Breaking With Convention: Why This Years Democratic And Republican Conventions Are Making History

"And. So my friends, it is with humility determination and boundless confidence in America's promise that I accept your nomination. Friends. Delegates. And Fellow Americans. I humbly and gratefully accept. Your nomination. For the president of the United States. Those are the sounds of democratic and Republican National Conventions of two thousand sixteen conventions represent a major moment in the lead up to an election because party nominees except their nominations to be president. In recent years both parties have turned their conventions from routine business into a made for TV show the rooms are usually full of applause and jam packed with tens of thousands of delegates and attendees, and starting on Monday the Democratic and Republican National Conventions are kicking off back to back. But this year those conventions you guessed, it are going to look different with cases of Covid Djing and Florida the president announcing he is cancelling his plans to hold the Republican National Convention in Jacksonville we can all agree. The Democratic National Convention when it comes to Milwaukee in August, we'll not look at all what many of us have envision it would be health officials warn that hosting a crowded indoor convention during the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic with cheering and singing isn't safe. So now, convention organizers and Party officials are working to make this year's events equally as memorable. Even if attendees are joining from their couch today, we're going to explain why conventions matter and talk to democratic and Republican Party officials about what the challenges are this year. Helped me be me is a podcast all about self help for people who hate self-help. It's full of practical tools that can be applied to your life immediately delivered in a way that is carrying but direct hosted by Sarah may be a working professional with a passion for solving problems. She's not a therapist, just a happy individual who happens to have lived through a lot of hard stuff. So. If you're ready to work on yourself, sabotaging habits sued some anxiety or build your confidence checkout. Helped me be me wherever you get your podcasts. Taste. Okay. So usually every summer before presidential election, the Democratic and Republican parties, each host, their own convention. These are essentially four day periods where parties officially select the nominees for the Presidency Delegates Party officials and lawmakers past and present all gathered for full days of speeches, programming and fanfare. It's an event that's been going on for centuries starting in the eighteen thirties and back then the conventions were like electing the pope no one knew what was going to happen and the Convention provided a forum for Party members and officials to debate and make their selections. Nowadays, the convention process is less focused on actually choosing a candidate and more focused on selling that candidate to the American public. And the people who drive that process are the delegates. Candidates Need Delegates Aka people their state to win the nomination. They're supposed to represent a state primary or caucus result at their party's convention. So after you cast your ballot in a caucus or primary, the results are translated into delegates and then those delegates hit the road and head to the convention to vote for the nominee. And this year both president trump and former vice president biden already have the delegates they need to be nominated. So now over the next two weeks, they'll go from being the presumptive nominees from their parties to be confirmed as the official nominees wants the delegates formerly vote. Think of recent conventions like the Bachelor. Most people read the spoilers and know what's going to happen. So the finale doesn't come as a shock, but that doesn't mean they're not dramatic. Conventions have been at the center of some big moments in US history. The demonstrators did get into the lobby of the Hilton Hotel. National Guard was called. The Democratic convention in Nineteen Sixty Eight, which is known as the most violent and chaotic convention in. History. Nineteen sixty eight was a turbulent in the US because of the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior in protests against the Vietnam War were escalating. So. Tens of thousands of people gathered outside the convention to demonstrate and those protests turned bloody. At conventions nominees also and share their campaign platforms with the public which hasn't always gone smoothly. Here was then vice president George H W Bush in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. Lips. That promise may have helped him win the presidency, but it also made him the subject of a few Saturday night live spoofs because ultimately president, Bush did raise taxes as part of a bipartisan compromise. The conventions have also led to some major milestones like this one in Nineteen eighty-four Ladies and gentlemen of the Convention. My Name is Geraldine Ferraro. That's when Geraldine Ferraro was selected as Walter Mondale VP and became the first woman on a major party ticket. Conventions. Have also made history by introducing up and coming stars in different parties. Of, built. Hope in the face up uncertainty. The audacity of hope. In two thousand and four when then Senate candidate Barack Obama gave a speech at the convention that catapulted him into the national spotlight or in two thousand and eight I. Love Those Hockey Moms you know they say the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull lipstick. When then Governor of Alaska Sarah, Palin was introduced to the rest of the country and became a household name after John McCain chose her as his running mate you. So conventions are typically time filled with excitement lots of speeches and full days of programming. But like we said, this year will be a lot different. Many Mr Cina. Senior Adviser and communications director at the Democratic National. Committee. So the Democratic Party's convention was originally planned to take place back in July in Milwaukee Wisconsin according to the organizers it was estimated that the DNC would bring fifty thousand visitors and have an economic impact of two hundred million dollars for Wisconsin. But then cove in nineteen with cases sharply increasing around the US in the last few months plus concerns from public health officials. The DNC confirmed just last week that it would be going virtual meaning this year will. Be the very first virtual, national political conventions in US history. So just last week, we announced that we have asked our speakers not to travel to Milwaukee given that the pandemic continues to worsen, and we don't believe that it is safe to do so and so we've been talking to healthcare professionals and experts, and the advice that they have given us is that this this pandemic is only getting worse and that we should do everything we can to keep people safe. So we have asked people not to trouble. Rather than four full days of programming each night the DNC will showcase two hours of speeches. But even though the timing is limited, there's still a big list of speakers already announced for each night. The list of speakers who will be joining virtually include several leaders past and present from the Democratic Party. Former president and first lady Barack and Michelle Obama former president bill and former secretary of state. Hillary Clinton House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. There will also be a lot of familiar former presidential candidate faces to look out for like Senator Bernie. Sanders. Warren, Amy Klobuchar Cory Booker and former South Bend Indiana mayor. Pete Buddha judge and Biden's VP pick just announced this week California Senator Comma Harris we'll have more on her later. Recently taken your meetings and sweats on the couch. You might think that going virtual would mean that things would be a lot easier but that's not exactly the case here. One of the things the DNC is planning to do is to broadcast video from every single US state and territory as delegates cast their official boats and they're calling it the roll call across America because conventions are about more than just the nominees. So every convention is about not only bringing the Party together and conducting business like nominating your presidential nominee in your presidential nominee, but it is also making sure that you are displaying your values and and ensuring that the voters understand. The contrast between your nominee and the Republican and so this year, what we will be doing is lifting up the values that unite us as a country especially given that we are in this pandemic especially given all everything that our country has gone through and also nominate Joe Biden. That's the other big change this year due to concerns over the pandemic Joe Biden won't be making his acceptance speech before a cheering crowd. Instead, he'll be doing it from his home state of Delaware. And taking place the following week right on the heels of the DNC will be the Republican National Convention. The RNC is also changing up its strategy. At this point, the final program details for the RNC are still TVD. But what we do know is that several hundred Republican delegates are expected to still meet and Charlotte North Carolina. To vote to officially re-nominate President Trump and vice president Mike Pence. And you might be thinking okay. If these conventions are all about selecting the party's nominee and we already know who that's going to be. Then what's the point? The average Americans use the convention in prime time and it's really glitzy and it's loud and energetic, and it's a great show. That's Cassie Smedley. She's the deputy communications director for the Republican National Committee but there's a business to be conducted in every convention, and that's really the purpose of everybody getting together whether it's together the platform for the party or a force actually nominating the president and vice presidential candidates for your party even if they're being. So that's really the key part of why they exist and then everything else is just icing on top of the cake. It is historically jumping off point for their reelection. Now, those things happen way earlier than the convention, but this is their moment to speak to the American people and to put their I guess for the next four years on. Prime time. And the RNC has been on a bit of a journey before finding solid. At first, the convention was initially planned to happen in Charlotte. But when North Carolina's governor pushed back due to Kobe nineteen concerns, which could have limited attendance. Suddenly the RNC had to pivot. Here's president trump back in May. Have, a governor that doesn't want to open up the state. And we have a date of August in the end of August and. We have to know before we spend millions and millions of dollars on an arena to make it magnificent for the convention and we have tremendous I mean economic development consequences tremendous for the state. North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper, responded during his own press briefing later, that evening I will say that it's okay for political conventions to be political. But pandemic response cannot be. then. A few weeks after that. The RNC announced that most of the major convention events would be moving to Jacksonville Florida. But. Then about a month ago, Florida broke the national record of new reported cases of Covid nineteen and a single day topping out at fifteen, thousand, three hundred. So president trump did another about face and canceled the Jacksonville events but the events planned to take place in Charlotte still remain. Periods at the end of July looked at my team and I said. The timing for this event is not right just not right with what's happened. Recently, the flare up in Florida. To have a big convention, it's not the right time. So for the events in Charlotte RNC organizers are prioritizing safety for all attendees, vendors, and the community protocols for attendees include an at home. Kobe. Nineteen test prior to arriving in. Charlotte and being required to wear a mask during the event. The also have special badges equipped with technology to help with contact tracing. The idea is that if someone test positive for? COPA, in nineteen officials will know who they've been in contact with long and while delegates are planning. To, meet in the Charlotte Convention Center to formerly renominate. President. Trump. It won't be all of them are total number of delegates as two, thousand, five, hundred, fifty, and we're going to have three, hundred, thirty, six, the good news as we'll have six people representative from every state and territory. So everyone gets the same amount and we will be able to have in person representation from every state and territory that was really important to the Chairwoman President the committee. So far it has not been confirmed where president trump will be to give a speech and accept his party's nomination even though there are more details yet to be unveiled slightly highlights a few things for viewers to look out for and take away from this year's conventions. I think what's important to take an assassin pair solve until listen between the conventions but certainly, the RNC Republican convention is who's fighting for you. What's their message for you? How is what the president has done over the last four years in the case that he is making for the next four years what impact will that have on your life I would encourage everyone to take advantage of this opportunity to listen to. The, full speeches there's going to be a lot of hot takes on twitter and a lot of headlines coming out of it that people will say, here's what we think you should have heard or you should learn but take the time to listen to the full speeches to really get involved and engaged in the themes and what you're hearing from all of the voices throughout each day chew decipher again who's fighting for you, which makes the most sense for you in your life and I think it's GonNa be a great show I. Think it's going to be highly entertaining and something that you're GonNa look forward to chain into every night and we can't wait to bring it to you. So? What's the skin? Conventions are a major political moment in the lead to a presidential election they've been around since the eighteen thirties. So they do tend to make a bit of history what used to be the routine business of delegates for their party nominees has now become prime time entertainment ripe for some iconic moments think celebrity surprise appearances or even a musical montage to an also catchy tune. You get the idea. But the Kobe team pandemic has been that this year's conventions will be making a different kind of history. For the DNC that means going virtual two hours of daily televised programming across board as. For, the RNC it also means going virtual but with a limited number of delegates person to make their formal nomination, even though the events are significantly scaled back, there's still a lot worth watching. Here's you know Hosa again from the DNC can is our hope that they see the values of the Democratic Party and see Joe Biden's values and those values are aligned with their values. I think that these are very trying times for our country right now whether it is the pandemic whether it is the economic impact that you're seeing all across the country because of the response of the. Pandemic and to show leadership and Joe Biden's leadership on how he would deal with this pandemic. How He? He would keep our country safe I think that this convention and this ticket will be historic. We will have hopefully have our first woman vice president and I think it this convention will showcase the importance of women and the importance that women play in the democratic. Party but also our country. smedley says the accessibility of a virtual convention is really an opportunity as much as twenty twenty has been very unexpected for especially because of Van, and we're all in a state of uncertainty with our own lives many of us. That this is an opportunity that we may not have had otherwise because the convention is being made available to us in more ways than. Really ever before and to take advantage of that to take advantage of the convenience of being able to watch the speeches and hear from so many voices. So many real Americans about what's happening our country the way forward for our country and who are the best meters to continue to carry us forward for the next four years, and of course we think based on. The success of the past four years that Donald Trump and vice president pence are the tune in for that job? The Democratic National Convention Begins Next Week on Monday August seventeenth through Thursday August twentieth from nine pm to eleven pm Eastern, you can tune in on all major television networks, social media, platforms, streaming services, and directly at DEM CONVENTION DOT COM. The Republican National Convention begins the following week on Monday August twenty fourth through. Thursday August twenty seven for more details and content. You can follow at gop on twitter, instagram snapchat, and Youtube. If every millennial voted, we could decide the election for all the tools and information you need to know from how vote to checking your registration or knowing you're voting options. The skin has you covered at the Skim Dot. com slash twenty twenty. On. Wednesday. The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe, Biden, tweeted out a campaign video. It shows him at a desk. On a very important call. That's all right. You ready to go to work. And so I, gotTa, wear. The woman whose voice you heard there who is so ready to go to work is California Senator Kamala Harris Aka, the Democratic party's presumptive vice presidential nominee and the first black woman and I person of South Asian descent ever on a major party's presidential ticket. Before breaking through that barrier this week Harrison kick through many more. The daughter of an indian-born mother and jamaican-born father. Harris was California's first black attorney general and also the State's First Female AG. Later, she became the first woman of south. Asian. Descent elected to the United States Senate wants elected to the US Senate in two thousand sixteen she made a name for herself on the Senate Judiciary Committee holding witnesses to account. Everyone from Supreme Court nominees to the former attorney general of the United States. I don't believe I had any conversation with Russian business. Men Are Russian nationals are you aware? Were at the convention. It's conceivable that somebody having just a few me qualified I. If you qualify, you'll accuse me of lying. To be correct as documented wants you to be on I'm not able to be rushed this fast. It makes me nervous. During her own run for president, she demonstrated that same skill coming up against none other than the candidate who is now her running mate in a debate last summer she criticized Biden for saying that during his time in the Senate, he was able to work with segregationists. She also criticized him for not fully supporting policies to integrate schools back in the nineteen seventies leg busing black kids to majority white schools. Here's the clip from. NBC News. I was part of the second class to integrate Berkeley. California. Public schools almost two decades after Brown v Board of Education Because Your City Council made that decision was. Different In That, we need to keep in mind. This was a huge moment in the Democratic primary and put the two campaigns at significant odds for the rest of the primary. But that ultimately didn't Stop Biden from picking Harris from among the long list of female VP candidates he promised he would consider one of the reasons I chose Kamla. Is because we both believe. We can define America simply in one word. Possibilities. That was Biden officially introducing Harris together in person on Wednesday staying socially distant, of course, which is just one of the unprecedented dynamics to look out for throughout the rest of the campaign the other. is seeing how the addition of Harris to the ticket will impact the way people boat. She's often described as a moderate and has gone and some criticism for her record on criminal justice issues when she was California's attorney general for more on that check out the daily. Skim. Newsletter from. Wednesday. Lately. Though Harris has been speaking out a lot about systemic racism in law enforcement and has leaned left and other areas pitching robust plans for protecting the right to an abortion as well as six months of maternity. Leave td on whether those ideas will find their way to the top of the Biden Harris campaign platform meanwhile on the Republican side of things president trump reaffirmed his VP decision back in November on Fox and Mike Pence is a great vice president. He's our manned one hundred percent. Nikki. But now, Harris. On the democratic, ticket Biden's campaign has seen a surge in momentum within the first twenty four hours of announcing Harris as VP Biden said, his campaign raised twenty, six million dollars and the next week. She'll officially introduce herself to the rest of America at the Democratic Convention Right now, she's scheduled to speak on Thursday night Joe. I'm so proud to stand with you. And I do so mindful. Of. All the heroic ambitious women before me. Who sacrifice determination and resilience makes my presence here today even possible. Thanks for listening to this. This podcast was skimmed by Alex Car Julia and Marian Lozano and I'm your host Justin Davey. We'll be back in your feet again next. Friday. Don't forget to subscribe and leave a review on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast for more skin and sign a daily newsletter head on over to the skin dot com.

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