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Hey, guys, you've heard of the young Turks podcast because you're listening to it right now. But make sure that you subscribe and even a five star rating if you like it, thank you for listening. Or the young Turks. Some euros. Jank uber. We've got a varied fun. Awesome lineup of host for you guys today. But I'm starting to I I'm by myself going old school. I got Carlson story for you. In fact, two of them right in the beginning. But afterwards, we will also talk about whether Fox News now is devastated by those advertiser, boycotts or not. So that's a little bit later in the program. Also a little bit later in the program. One of the most hilarious right wing conspiracies that has blown up on the perpetrated the of that. Because Pharisee a couple of full Republican plans lots of show to get to here guys. And in the third hour, the young Turks. We now do interviews, and we have the son of the founder of the National Enquirer. Interesting. Okay. And of course, post game after that that's the last half hour for members. And this being a members get the. Live video version of schooling at the whole show. They're the only ones that get the whole show. That's also later tonight. So TY dot com slash join to become a member of the young Turks dot com slash trial. If you want to try for a week free Doma SETI portion of this program is to fun or k now speaking of well, I'm not putting this in the category of fun. But there there is a fun twist here in the second portion of the story, anyways, let's go over here and do Tucker. Turner Carlson a little bit of trouble. Because of some of the things he has said, including horrible things he said n he now has the most popular show on Fox News news so far standing behind him. And instead of apologizing for some of those comments, which I will read some of them to you in a minute turn Carlson has decided that he is going to double down and he's gonna fight back. So he did a lot of that last night, including unfortunately, more bigotry, so I'm going to show and explain that to you. But I, of course, conservatives are the real victims. So let's show you that this is what an authoritarian society looks like it's a place where the group in charge will tolerate no criticism at all. That's what we're becoming was only a matter of time before they came for Fox News. Yes. It's almost as if we're the right wing. No, you guys come for people. Right. And so anyways. It makes us seem like took rouse and do anything and these people that are coming after him are so incredibly unfair. Well, in essence, what media matters is done is just quote you and I've been involved in controversies before I'm Trump controversies later as well where people quote me, and then so you have to decide you stand by those old coats or don't you in my case, it's easy because I used to be Republican, and I'm not anymore. So there are some things I have not changed my mind on, but plenty of things that I have so straightforward about it, but Carlson does not address any of those horrible quotes. And he's so far refused to apologize for any of them. And he keeps framing it as I will not bow down to the left wing. I will not apologize. The media matters that exposed my own quotes. Okay. But it's not about that. Nobody's asking you to apologize to media matters. They're asking you. Do you still believe that you should refer to gay people with Beth word as an example here? Just so you guys know it's not to keep rubbing it in. I if a lot of people just watch this video, they watch their old shows are. Seen any other context. So let me show you some of the course, I got him in trouble. There's a lot more. But these are some of the highlights he wants said she seems extremely seaward with a e at the end. I don't know how else to describe that in a way that does not use the word anyway, referring to a woman, she he says, she just does seem a little word. I just wanted to give her the spanking as she so desperately needs. And then he went on to say, you know, white men have you know, contributed some I would say like creating civilization and stuff. Only. Why guys? Oh, I guess I don't know why anybody would accuse him of racism or bigotry. He's still hasn't been able to figure it out. But if you're still left confused than we can move onto this Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semi literate primitive monkeys. That's why it wasn't worth invading. I do like the last half of the census, we shouldn't have invaded. But the first half is deeply problematic. So Tucker, it's a super fair question. Do you believe Iraq? He's monkeys or don't you? This is not about apologizing that media matters or the southern poverty Law Center. Do you stand by those comments or don't you? It's actually you don't have to go through every common. And you could say, hey, when he said he was Murdoch's bitch, for example. He was clearly joking now I think that so there's a little bit of reality makes it that bunny was joking. So you don't have to go line by line. But these are some of these are outrageous. So it's not unfair to ask. But yet he again throughout the entire segment was like me poor me the victim. The victim. Okay. And then Kosovo's love that. That's why they do things like war on Christmas etcetera. They love being the victims. I will one more for you guys. He said, well, I like you too. And I mean that you always say I mean that in a non f- way. But I actually mean it in a completely f- way referring to game ericans with F word. Okay. By the way, super easy to say have joking around. That was stupid. I shouldn't have done that, blah, blah, blah. Nope. Won't even do that. So if you don't do that, then I guess you standby so, but it's about to get worse. So let's keep watching his over the top counterattack. Well, Brian Stelter since left the New York Times, he's now the house unit. Get CNN announcing proclamations from his tiny king. Jeff zucker. It takes us talking points. Those still from media matter. Here's suckers puppet. Yeah. No that's unacceptable. So these are the people who claim to be outraged by Ilan, Omar that is deeply anti antisemitic. Trope goes back in history longtime of the Jews being puppet masters. Jeff Zucker is Jewish American. So here, let's show you obviously screen capture of what you just saw there in the video. So this is Brian Stelter being controlled as a puppet by Jeff soccer. And then let's go to posters from Germany nineteen forty four and nineteen forty two. You see the puppet master controlling sport put on the right? And then. Also in nineteen forty two Jewish puppet master, so no that's a super clear anti semitic trope super clear. So obviously later on. He brought on Dave Rubin to cover them on both Jewish and the gay angles. So we're I guess all even no we're not. And remember, what says is in the prompter? We don't have problems. Here's they do. They write out the script. The producers look at it and situation this sensitive likely executives looked at it. So everyone signed off on putting this into the script. Then they had graphic artists work on that. No one in the building. And Fox News knew that that was a deeply antisemitic trope, preposterous. So while saying like, I have nothing new apologies for people accusing me of bigotry. It's outrageous now, let me show you how the Jews puppet master Jesus Christ, man cooking. So we're not. Done yet. He's got more about how the left wing is going to apparently use guns to arrest. The right way. I mean, this kind of demagoguery is insanity. Okay. Let him explain. The go ahead. But there's an ominous undertones all of this. Don LeMond doesn't have the power to have you arrested Damon. Nestle does nestles the attorney general of Michigan. She's created special hate crime unit whose charters to investigate any organization addenda fide hate group by the S P L. See this is what weaponized politics looks like criticized the people in charge in the Piel see will sick men with guns on you. It's terrifying. No, no. None of that. Is right. So let me bring you down for you guys know second you're going to see actually sticking people with guns on you in a great moment of irony. But first, let me explain no criminal law enforcement track. Hate groups in tastes. They are going to commit violent crimes. They're not trying them for saying the wrong things that you've first amendment right to say anything you like tug Carlson is a right to say the things that he said, no one's going to rest them for that. So he's trying to turn his. So you think the audience things they're gonna come for me? I got to help defend over Carlson in the tens of millions of dollars. He makes it Fox News for his free speech because I hear people with guns are gonna come after me if I say the wrong thing not remotely true. They're investigating groups. And they're not investigating them to shut them down for saying the wrong things only like they track Muslim extremist groups. They would track hate groups that are extremists. If they're going to commit illegal activity, including violence. So that was horribly misleading. Why because race scared scared and we're the victims. Oh, my God here at Fox News. I mean girls, I don't know if he may ten or twenty million dollars this year for saying the hateful things that he does. But poor Tucker girls it he's the victim. And you'd better be scared. Just like you are immigrants and Muslims and black people and all the other people that we told you to be scared of. But here comes the irony now get a load of what he encourages at the end this segment here, especially the very very watch isn't just unethical. It is illegal under IRS regulations. Five a one c three non profits are totally prohibited. From participating in the campaigns political candidates. We need matters broke the law. The group has never been punished for this though, it is widely known media matters retains its tax exempt status that means that you and every other taxpayers subsidising attacks on our own first amendment. Why is this? How can this be happening? Maybe someone should call the IRS tomorrow morning and find out. Gee, I wonder who that someone who might be watching Fox News might be. So after he said, can you believe the Democrats might use log forced target hate groups? Oh my God. What out ridge? He turns right around and saying President Trump, you might wanna call the IRS tomorrow morning to go after my political opponents and use the force of the law federal law to target my political opponents, but Fox News audience is, of course, way too stupid to see that irony the goal goal whatever's. So let's make sure we use law enforcement to crush notice show him. No, okay. That means you have no principles at all. So as a tiny little violin plan for Tucker. The whole time you didn't have to treat it this way. And so if you wanna have a critique of media matters, and whether they're political group or not okay have that conversation, but never ever dressing, the hateful things that you said, which actually could I think could have been done relatively easily is preposterous and look whether you think there should be advertiser ban. Or what words are so? Offensive that they that advertisers should pull out or network should not back you anymore. Those are interesting questions and debates, and I don't think that they have a super clear answers. And I think that Americans can disagree on where the line is. I think we all agree that there is a line if Tucker went out there and started chanting, the Jews will not replace us, blood and soil. I think we'd all agree. I don't think I want somebody advertising on that. I don't think I wanna network carrying I hoped. Tucker himself would agree with that on the other hand Tokar Carlson. Laura Ingraham have both literally used the words again written into the prompter the immigrants will not replace us. So it's a tough question as to where you draw the line. But what Tucker did was not really anywhere near the line. So meaning that he didn't do the right thing. Here didn't in any way show contrition for all the terrible things that he has said, including people calling people monkeys and then on top of that the double down in using anti semitic. Trope totally. Unacceptable from the people who feigned outrage over Ilhan Omar's comments when she said, I do not want to do double allegiance. She didn't pointed a Jewish people in this case Tucker literally does that while pretending not to be a bigot. Okay. Now if that wasn't good enough. Wait till you see the twist. So let's go. Yeah. Okay. So Carlson does his non contrition double down counterattack on Fox News. I will not apologize for any of the things that I have said, and who is this. I guess afterwards was as you can see in the graphic next to me, Dave Rueben. Now. Why does he bring Dave Rubin? Well, he just did an anti semitic trope about how Jeffs ochre is the puppet master over Brian Stelter? They've been Abbas to be Jewish. Check is Fox News one zero one which is bring on the group that I am insulting to have one of them who's paid handsomely to come out and go. Oh, yeah. No, you should you should insult us. It's a great idea. In fact, he also said this we'll go to graphic seven in this case, we said, well, I like you too in a. Radio show about ten years ago. Referring to the host of the time. You'll always say I mean that in a non f- way. But I actually mean in a completely f- way referring to members of the LGBT community with word and Rueben also happens to be in those ubt community. And but I am sure that Dave is going to hold them or count. Right. This is opportunity. Let's find out what happened. I'm starting to think that a lot of us to be with you over estimated the willingness of the democratic establishment to coexist with people who disagree with them. And underestimated the real threat the actual existential threat to speech that we face now. Do you think that's right? Well, I wish I could say that this whole situation is shocking. But this is exactly what I've been raising the alarm about on my show for the last five or so years, as you know, I come from the left. I was progressive. I still consider myself a liberal in the best sense of liberalism classical liberalism, and I believe in the individual and all of that stuff that we've talked about several times. Why do you think you say, well, I know why gives it all the classic liberal is a liberal, but who's actually a conservative? So, but you know, I stand for the individual who stands against individual. I you're just doing word salad there. So what is the point of him saying all that gobbledygook? You see that? I'm also liberal reasonable liberals totally agree with FOX's check. That's the third one. We've got a gay Jewish liberal so called he started to he. Nobody's liberal or progressive coming out there and go Tucker. Bravo. I mean, I've been saying this show the whole time the one set of people in this country. We have to protect is right wing white men. Poor Tucker Carlson, what are you making fifteen or eighteen million dollars a year? What are you ever gonna get your break Tucker this until the people about real Bigham K not done yet? There's a lot of fun. Let's keep going. I want to dress a couple of things here. I on on the way that you've responded to the attacks by not apologizing. I think that was exactly the right thing to do. You know, all of us have joked. Now, Tucker, you are absolutely right. I mean for using athlete against gay people like that and doing the puppetmaster thing you just did a minute ago. What here in case you guys have seen the rest of the show? Let me show you that. I was gonna grabby eight and then show you the history of that with graphic nine. So this is a segment he did a little bit earlier, and this is Nazi propaganda from nineteen forty two and nineteen forty four about the Jewish puppet. Masters, and yes, Jeff Zucker who was the puppetmaster that type across referred to is Jewish. Okay. So but Dave's on there to go. It's okay. It's totally okay. You shouldn't apologists day. Ruben ask for just last week for Ilan, Omar to apologize because she was anti semitic. I'm going to note that one under irony. We're gonna move on. Okay. He's not done yet. Let's see more ask you if I have wounded someone a wrong, someone I will always apologize to that person and ask for forgiveness. I do it every day. I'm not gonna apologize matters. Or any other showrooms back pressure group, I haven't wronged them they've wrong to me. I them nothing including an apology, and I will never about them period. Excuse me. -actly? Yeah. I'm for apology, but not to them. Well, I couldn't agree more. And that's by the way. That's exactly the message that I think your audience and the average American needs to hear right now we have watched years now of the mob coming for everybody. I think you're exactly right, Mike. God. I don't know what he what who's more right than you. I think she call gay people have all the time. And choose of course, as you are so right Tucker. I was on my show the whole time about how right? You are to all of us. Check clear did the check clear. Okay. Yes. You're still right Tucker. You're the most right person I've ever seen in my life, and and get a little Tuckerman, first of all his only two faces with Tucker either he bursts out laughing or he seems so confused. Maybe that's what the problem is here because I'm a little confused when you say, you apologize every day, except you never apologised. Okay. You having a budget today before when after this stories, broken never clarified your words at all. When it's painfully easy to clarify your words, but you still won't do. Heels apology, and there's a straw, man. I will not apologize. The media matters. No one has asked for an apology to media matters. Because you you didn't use those words in connection to media matters media matters, just quoted, you, you don't need a media matters, you if you need to know, if think you need an apology, which I think a lot of Americans believe you do it should be the gay community middle easterners. Whoever all women all the other people that you've tagged over and over again and with via language on. Okay, now using money can't get any better than this. Dave as one little trick upper sleeve left, which is high. Larry's, okay. Get a little bit very end of this interview. I hope your words wind up on people's refrigerators because you're absolutely right. Absolutely. Right. Dave rubin. Thank you. Great to all keep your in. You man. Really? I think more people need to do it. And you have a lot of support out there. And I can tell you this you have support in quarters of the left that you don't even know you do and they're just afraid to speak out. And I'll keep working on those guys to I appreciate. So far from the love. Who does day Rubino on the left anymore? A work on those guys. My friends of the left really Dame name one person left on the left that likes you. We'll wait wait a long long time. I quoted one of his I read tweeted something you said because he's a hypocrite. And most of the people are like I can't see jank. He's blocked almost everyone on the left on Twitter. He does his show where he's like. Well, you know, what I'm here for open conversation. I'll talk to anyone if you're not sale talk to you if you're Bilo. You hate me. I'll talk to you because you hate me because but I'll talk to you. And I'll promote you if you're a Ben Shapiro and. Was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. But then you'd come to my gay wedding. Once you. No, not really. But you'd make a cake, right? No. No. I wouldn't. Well, I love you. Anyway. Check learn the check clear. Okay. Check lert. I love your bed. You're right. I mean who would be a cake. Gig, right. Then people on the left us to come on like SAM's eater. Same sita? What names though? He also I have to be fair and disclosed you guys he was at one point part of the Turks network, which he's now cashed in the like, the guy from Greenpeace once part of Greenpeace, then he goes and sells out the right wing, and you know. Criticize Greenpeace for the rest of the time. And right wingers used that as like. So you day Ruben he was really. Okay. So hey day when you were here pretending to be a progressive were you lying back, then or are you lying now because your positions are completely different than they were just a couple of years ago wasn't that long ago. It wasn't like, hey decades ago, and you had a political transpiration can you at least if you did have a political transformation, can you at least tell us. Why what happened why you're conservative you still pretending to be progressive. I'll talk to friends on the left. I'll talk to my friends, and is going to be very lonely conversation. Okay. Pay rueben. Larry's. And also, by the way, pathetic allowing Tucker Carlson to cover up for all that bigotry. You must be. So proud. Okay. Anesthesia was that. He seemed like you needed some sleep. Maybe as conscious get to him. If he has what all right anyway. Now living move on to a totally different topic. Oh, we got a new told you this is fun. I'm wearing tie that happen. Okay. So. So for a while I've been telling you guys that. Bernie Sanders is so loathed by this in Washington DC that they might rather prefer a Republican. In fact, I think the democratic establishment thinks that way as well. Anyway, you're going to see that clip in. I can that's why we're doing the told you segment so what happens on morning Joe now, let's find out first of all two parts. First morning. Joe is going to talk about socialism, tell acceptable capitalism's the way to go and as usual with all TV pundits. He has channeled. The will of the entire American people. He knows is based on any polling. No. But he knows let's watch my God. If you're afraid to say, you're a capitalist in America. This gonna tell you people on the left tweeting day may not like it. Let me just let me let you on a little secret. If that is a crisis for your party, you're going to lose twenty twenty just pull up stakes on the tent and just Packer up the party's over. He does bed. The rack words could be great double triple never be president. And you know, what if you call? You're not diehard catalyst. Then there people within that boat for you. I've never been right on this program. But it is totally relevant. I will keep saying this as if I speak for their people. Okay. So we're used to that. That's morning Joe. Now, the reason we're doing this segment is Danni doing. So he come in now for okay, hold on. Let me show you what I said earlier in the week. And if you're young Turks viewer, you've seen me say this dozens of times, but it was just this week that I said this, and this why tell you from time time on the show that they would the democratic establishment would and is going as and is going to fight progressive candidate like Bernie Sanders harder than they fight Republicans or even Donald Trump. Why if the democrat like Hillary Clinton wins there in hog heaven, everybody's getting contracts all the lobbyists are getting rich. The consultants are getting rich. Everybody's getting rich Trump wins. They get rich. Anyway. But Bernie Sanders wins a socialist, when's they don't get rich. So look morning Joe as I also told you dozens of times is the epicenter of this bushman. So they loved it ever established. When they also love the Republican establishment. So they don't like any outsiders. They don't like Donald Trump because people decided he's a bridge too far. That is true. But they definitely do not like anyone on the left who's an outsider either. So this is this speaking in, but you're gonna love to parts of this one is what Donny Deutsch said. And then number two is the mid correction look at his correct itself in the middle. I'll explain why. But watch John take it one step further because this is how dangerous socials I find Trump reprehensible as a human being, but a socialist candidate is more dangerous to this company country as far as the strengthen wellbeing of our country that Donald Trump I would vote for Donald Trump a despicable human being. Let me tell you yourself. Let me correct my. Thank you. Joe? Thank you. You will never get guidance made bigoted. Past three. Thank you. Thank you. Correct. I stand corrected that I will be so distraught to the point that that could even come out of my mouth, if we have a socialist that will take our country so down. Of course, it rather vote for a Republican for sure. And are you kidding me? They're gonna vote for Trump over Bernie Sanders. Donny Deutsch is not going to go into that voting booth and vote for Donald Trump when his money's on the line taxing me one percent more no way, I'm going to be Trump's terrible bigoted person, but we're talking about one or two presented taxes. No drum. He's going to vote for he just told you he was gonna vote for him. So why did he changes mind that was the funniest part? Hey, hey, Donny. Remember who's in charge? Okay. There's Salish also against Donald Trump, and we are pretending that we are not going to support him. Now, they don't actually support him. Don't get me wrong. Would they over socialist just told you he was about to tell you that he was going to and scrubbers? Remember the party line? Remember the party line? We're not going to do that. Because Trump is a bigger a bigger problem, right? In other words, Donnie, if you say that you might get fired at MSNBC because there is a party line. So I'm your friend. I'm trying to help you out. So thank you. Thank you. I love how he got a braided in like a little child who was. You're right. I to keep this job the money. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trump too. Big a terrible terrible. Terrible. Terrible. But socialism, it would destroy this company. That was hilarious Ford in slip. Did you see it in the middle of that video? He's like it would hurt this company. I mean country. Indeed, indeed, see, that's this tablet. They love the status quo. They love redistributing the wealth to the top and they are more scared. A progressive candidates like Bernie Sanders than they are of the most despicable Republicans because it's all about the greed. Okay. We're gonna take a break. We got a great host coming up for you guys Asia, Lawrence and Francesco Fiorentino. We're gonna join me later Tomasson, piker, speaking of socialist. Okay. So lots of great for you guys. We'll be this episode is brought to you by k. 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You guys have a free one thing. So our audience at student at TY T dot com. All right now, I've got some great comments from you guys about Carlson and other things. I members section squishy Bish writes in. So excited to be a member as of last week Racan guy's been watching for ten years. Wow. Thank you squishy. And welcome. TY T dot com slash joined become a member. Meg says told you segments are some of my favorites. Me too. Animus. So and then viscous crease says why across it in the white so free to being a minority group do minorities get treated badly or something. Great great point why what would be wrong with being a minority. Super faren- America. Right. So I guess it should be no problem raid point. I love our members a lover members. Okay. Last one from Twitter is Joel forty four says when you bring out Ruben to defend you you've lost it life. And then on YouTube super Chan will will Heim Ruben Shire says jank nailed it. Ruben is always saying that the left one debate us. I got blocked by Dave Rubin for asking why he won't debate Sam, cedar. It was literally half the comments. I got on the tweet was like, wait. What did you say? What did he say? We're all blocked. Ultimat- anyone listen to anyone you're you're all blocks. I mean, doesn't get any more. All right. All right Francesca. You got the next. Well, Fox News is trying out a new slogan. It is no longer most watched most trusted which replaced, fair and balanced. It is now incendiary and hypocritical. No. It is America is watching. That's right. And if that sounds like big brother is watching. It's absolutely not because that would mean that the media and the government are one in the same which is basically to talibanism. And I think that's what we're dealing with right here. This new slogan comes off the heels of a bunch of advertisers jumping ship on the network after comments from some of its hosts like a Janine hit our un-american Piero and Laura detention centers are like summer camps Ingram, and of course, Tucker Iraqis are monkeys Carlson advertisers that have so far pulled their ads from FOX include pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca to Cato pharmaceutical company, careerbuilder TD Ameritrade, just for men outback steakhouse and Pelivan pressure is also mounting on Carlson's remaining, advertise advertisers, including Mitsubishi and AllState insurance to follow thirty three others that have cut ties with the host of December. When he told viewers that immigrants make the country poorer and dirtier so will the rebrand save fucks panel. Okay. Amused that he even lost advertiser called just for men. You would have thought that one would a hung in. There can had an advertiser called just for men. This show is not call for. Just for men. Just try out just for men just for white straight men. And. So I like the truth and advertising though in in the new slogan. Okay. Because one of my main problems, Fox News was that they're mislabeled themselves. So right now, they're doing a lot of victimhood like oh my God. Poor us, we only make billions of dollars. We're so oppressed and stuff like that. When we ever catch a break when we make trillions of dollars. So. But and this hates selling so. Well, but anyway, but I I think that you get to say all that stuff. And I'm certainly say it as an American citizen, and I think that you get to say most of it. We'll talk about where the line is in a second on television. But when you say, you're balanced, I mean, who are you kidding? There was such as joking that was done for propaganda reasons. And Roger Ailes knew that, and he talked about any wrote memos to Richard Nixon back in the day when he was a political operative before you ran FOX was saying we've got to take control over TV, and we got to put our Republican ideas and injected into TV so it seems like news. That's what they called a, fair and balanced. So they got rid of that which I actually gave them a lot of credit for because that was one of my top issues with Fox News. The thing that they didn't get rid of is news in their name. It's not exactly what they're doing. But now at least there's a little bit of honesty, like America's watching. What is America watching? I I hope they're not watching Fox News. But you know, it's one of those things where you just wonder what is Fox News going to try next. And the thing is like the Disney deal comes down with them acquiring FOX. I think the March twenty is the date. And so the news portion will stay with box, and they're gonna have to differentiate themselves, but also they're going to have to be able to sustain stock value and continue to generate income, especially when they separate from all these assets. And so I appreciate this new effort. But I really don't know how far it's going to go a reference to them as assets. Watching his super like low key racist. Let's be honest. I mean, I mean, I see it is that because it's like. American America's watching whereas like Pakistan is watching or Malia is watching MSNBC. You know, what I mean like someone like other countries, which somehow, you know, we don't have immigrants from those countries here. They're not Americans America's watching this. And I think it's low key sing one America is watching FOX, whereas if you identify with any other ethnic group or country or your from anywhere else, which you've moved here and your citizen no-no, you're watching something else for the Brown people. I Francisco that I hadn't thought of that. And because I was thinking like, I guess they're bragging about that. They're highly rated which is true. But Adrian's right. I mean, all the cable news Ambriz is all of cable are not watched by that many people at their height. Fox's use about three million people, which is a big number. But it's less than one percent of the country. So it's not like all Americas watching at best one percent of America's watching. But as long as any Americans are watching anybody can claim America's watching America's watching CNN or lifetime or whatever. Right. So it's kind of a weird thing. Now, it kind of makes sense like the real America's watching right, right? And so okay. But that actually is going to go towards my standards for what should get kicked off a TV or not mistaken. But I I want to show you a video our own Viglen went down to cover a protest in front of Fox News that happened earlier today. So they're protesting Janine Piero's calmer. Events and crosses comments. So let's watch to see what what they were upset about. We have no expectation of FOX to do anything. We don't expect them to do the right thing. But what we do expect is that advertisers will respond to the bottom line, which is money. And will we're saying that FOX is bad for business. And in particular, women are actually huge economic drivers women are targets of a lot of advertisements, actually. And frankly, if you want women to buy your products, you can't you can't advertise on Fox News. And that's the message. We're sending. Okay. So you watch the whole video, by the way, it YouTube dot com slash revelations, Hugh or Facebook dot com slash h Hume. We'll have the link down below if you're watching this later now guys this about what's out of bounds or not. I think that I think I can even get most of the is agree with some of the things that are out of bounds. So though, you never know I think, but certainly a huge percentage of the country would agree that if you do something illegal that that's a problem and some things that you say are also illegal which leads us to number two, which is direct incitement or violence if turned crossing or anyone were to come out and go, hey, you know, what I don't like Senator XYZ. What does somebody go hurt? Right. That's obviously a legal. You can't do that. Can't do directness Ivanhoe violence. I would hope that you wouldn't do indirect is violence and the more indirect you get closer to the line. You get the more direct. You get the more. It is obvious that you shouldn't be on TV the network's shouldn't support that advertisers shouldn't support him. But I'm talking about things. That are clearly out about. So we'll get to the line in a sec. So then the I think it's also super obvious that some hate words are out about now. That's where the right wings, get triggered and go. No, I love. My hate words, and you guys are doing oppression and your big brother all this up. No, no. I wanna be clear. Okay. So can we agree that if Turner crossing came out or any of them or anybody came out and say started chanting Jews will not replace us that would be unacceptable. I I hope I hope we're gonna agree to that. If he said, blood and soil, blood and soil is a Nazi Chen. Would would that do it or do you think? No. No, no. That's good. Yeah. We should have Fox News on have him on on television. So my point is there is language extreme enough to for people to say, no, no, we're not gonna put that on TV. And this is not the government. The parent company has all the right in the world to choose who they have on TV. And and we can't do that. So now, I think the interesting part comes in. And we might all disagreed here in everybody in the audience can disagree on where they would draw the line is I would say in order for us to have enough leeway to have interesting conversations that we should not have advertiser boycotts of things that are indirectly offensive. So for example, America's watching I see what you're saying about the racial undertone there. But what I say that's good enough for an advertiser boycott. No. I wouldn't right. And so, but then it gets really hard so tug across and said immigrants are dirty. I that's racial. I think porn thing. It's things that have been used to keep people down for a long long time. It triggers conservatives because they are more easily triggered by the fear and discuss those two emotions and dirties a word that has been used in the past cetera. But I think it falls below the line. And so I think that's where they interesting conversations. There's two questions. One for me is like okay business is it good for business bad for business. Protest out there saying it's bad for business, and they're encouraging companies to pull their ads, and I think that's a legitimate nonviolent tactic to to boycott and also to protest Fox News, which consistently flirts with that line Piero saying that Ilhan Omar wearing a job suggests that she's on American that she has loyalty somewhere else. Right. Essentially, calling her a tear. I really or saying that if you're Muslim can't be loyal to the United States. But she's also like ward said get a gun. Get it done told her entire audience get a gun protect yourself because to realize coming for you Janine Pirro has been on the sharia law trained for a very very long time. I would say that is out about if I were a business owner like a boat talks company that pulled ads from her which is like when Janine Pirro losing the soccer, mom companies like for boats. You know, there's a problem, but that's one right? That's private then to me. It's like, well where does the FCC come down? Because when I saw Janine Pirro say get a gun because sharia laws coming for you all that is an incitement of violence. I think and also factually incorrect sharia law is not coming for where like so. And those people like in Portland, Oregon right there have been a crazies and people who've shot. What was incident on the on the train right people who believe in injury law meal guns who openly carry so where does the FCC step in where does the government step in? Where can we say? Like, this is the line. And you can't cross what they do essentially, they leave it to the citizens as our own to actually sue to say, hey, you participated in inciting violence, and I believe Trump is actually facing a lawsuit in the same regards things he said at his rallies where people actually got hurt by essentially saying you're playing a role in inciting violence, you can't just scream fire in a crowded room. And when people get trampled say. Know, it's it's really an unfortunate thing because you do have the government performing some regulation factors, but they do leave a significant amount of that up to individuals citizens to fight for their rights. The problem is we as minorities and women we tend to be oppressed. The month the most and have to fight the most, and we had the least resources to do that. So essentially, we're left hung out to dry. So a look as outrageous as someone things that they say, and I picked immigrant example because I'm an immigrant. So it's so if anyone should be offended. It's me, and I am offended by it. But I don't think that means that that he should be kicked off the air. I also don't think that advertisers should count them for that. And so why do I say that because? Then we'll have fairly insipid speech because then it gets to narrow down to what advertisers will accept because advertisers, don't want you to do interesting shows they want you to do boring shows accountability. Jank what do you this is again like I make fun of FOX. But they are they are the most watched Cable News Network, and yeah that one percent of people who have a who watch FOX like we have to remember that they're outside of actually the core demographic of twenty five to fifty four year old. They're old like they are on the only in their lazy boy chair watching the news. It was the people who still have cable those on the fact that we're the number one eight track. Sure artists, it's like, okay. So who's really doing? But I do think that like, you know, and sort of just for men wants to advertise to twenty five to fifty four year olds which they do. And they're like this is this is not on our brand. Or if they want to you know. Advertise the LGBTQ community, and you're like, you weren't hurting our brand when you speak against this community doesn't look good on us. So my question is who's going to hold them accountable. So we're just going to wait on ratings and everyone to evolve ordering me sailing at the stores and who were to bind whose pockets we're going to continue to cause. That's how we end up kind of creating this cycle, and it ends up hurting FOX or taking away sponsors a huge fan of the boycott capitalism. Let it do its job if people like even the free market. That's right. Let's get this done. No, look. This a little bit. And I'm a little biased because I talk show host keep it real. Okay. So I'm just putting that out there so fairly obvious from the surroundings. But. Violence. No, no. Of course, not. But that's why I've inciting violence as above the line like or below the flirt so perfectly with that line all the time, but Francesca, you'll have a second amendment right to a gun and nobody's for gun control more than I am. But like they do flirt with it. But saying go get a gun and then a half a cent this later, saying, hey sharia laws coming for you is absurd. I know it's going towards that conclusion, but it is not saying go shoot Muslims, and that's what FOX flirts with. And the thing is if people want to sell look significant percentage of this country is right wing. And let's I'll go further significant percentage of this country is racist. And so if you want to sell to that demographic had it hawse. So I mean, that's I think that that's up to them. And so anyway, last thing is I think one thing that is also clearly. Okay. Is there's this policing of civility by the mainstream media and so- Tucker and his rant which was ninety eight percent wrong. The only part that I agreed with is. I don't care what Brian Stelter. Or anyone else thinks is civil or not civil is usually way protecting the status quo to say, hey, everybody simmer down. Okay. And it is also often used against the left. Oh, black lives matter. You seem a little too upset all be civil and the most important thing is to be civil to the elite. Right. So no, I do not agree to that. So oftentimes people can play things like oh Joe's a madman because he screams. No, I'll show is a man because he believes in crazy things and definitely directly incites violence where he says God hates them. Somebody should do something about it, and we're gonna crush, etc. Etc. So the incitement of violence is the problem not being quote, unquote, uncivil. So otherwise, we'll have no interesting programming. Bonilla's that they're salvage agreed to. Okay. All right. So interesting station. Love it. We got a quick break here. Guys. We got more where that came from including Dan goes Manafort, but did he go down enough? Find out we hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks. If you wanna get the whole show and more content while supporting independent media become a member t dot com slash join today. In the meantime, enjoy this free. Back on the young Turks jank Francesca and Adrian with you guys. So let's read a couple of comments for you, comma, Harris a cop writes in. New the handle can do about it. Okay. New FOX Logan, FOX. We're on the white side of history. Well, hey, look, we're clear, right. We're home of progresses. We don't hide the ball should be equally clear. Right. And we did a campaign called being on the left side of history, and they could do one on the white side of history. All right, Francesca writes in although spelled differently. I'm so proud to phonetically share name with franchesca fear, teeny, her nickname. The Fox News host was amazingly clever. Indeed, okay. Now, I'm gonna go Twitter. First second, I meet puppy. Dole writes in I'm kind of tired of protecting and and being fair to bigots and racist, and sexist and just straight up bad people, but omega resin the member station says I disagree. That hate words should not be allowed people should be able to say things that show their true personality, we need to know who really hates us. And then finally something we could all agree on on Twitter. Zoo me assure rights in the racist. Watch FOX the rest of the world watches TY T. Very nice. If you all right. We got a lot more show coming up for you guys throughout the day. We've got interviews including the the son of the founder of National Enquirer. We've got a post game. And we've got old school in tonight. So TY T dot com slash joined to become a member. Okay. Adrian Europe next. I'll right. Well, I'm sure you may have heard today, but they were going out some ELS in DC at the district court Paul Manta for President Trump's former campaign chairman. Well, he got his second federal prison sentence in the last few weeks. And this one was courtesy of judge Amy Berman Jackson who really wasn't here for manafort's repeated on so sorry, a very apologetic asking for some leniency sixty nine years old. He's had prison hard. Well, judge Jackson. She wasn't for at all. Let's check out some of her comments. She says this defendant talking about Manafort is not public enemy number one. But he's not a victim either that offense insistence that none of this should be happening to him that the prosecution is misguided and excessive and invalid is just one more thing that is inconsistent with a genuine acceptance of responsibility. And well, she helped him become a little bit more responsible for his decades worth of campaign for lobbying crimes as well. As obstruction of Justice and other financial crimes, and she told him out forty three more months, adding onto his forty seven months sentence that he got a few weeks ago and that puts metaphor in four seven and a half years and federal prison is going to have to pay six point one six million dollar fine. But then New York, well, the Big Apple wanted to take a bite out of Manafort with an hour of him getting federal sentence. They issued him a sixteen count indictment. Check out these crimes. Residential mortgage fraud. Three counts of that tend to mortgage fraud count conspiracy falsifying business records scheme of fraud to the fraud this man, he just cannot not lie or commit crimes apparently. And well, the New York City is going to give him a free tour of Rikers island. And this is what he said the following investigation. Commenced by our office and March twenty seventeen Manhattan grand jury has charged Mr. Manafort with state criminal violations, which strike at the heart of New York sovereign interests, including the integrity of our residential mortgage market. No one is beyond the law in New York, and they aren't indeed. And I happened to look it up, and it looks like metaphor spacing anywhere from thirteen and a half years to one hundred and thirty eight years in state prison. Do you all think that these ills are decent enough for Manafort? Okay. So let's bring. First of all, let me translate the Manhattan District attorney's comments for you. He's saying, yeah. The president Kampar no state charges. So this is our insurance policy. So if Trump pardons Manafort for keeping the real crimes that they did together secret, it doesn't matter because we're gonna come get you sixteen counts on a world of trouble. No matter. What Trump does today? Lindsey Graham said that it would be politically disastrous for Trump department, but Trump has hinted at that all throughout which leads us back to the regional case here. So. Just as Jackson in this case. I don't think it was as a grievous as T S Ellis the third who was very right wing judge who just a little while ago game a lenient sentence and said, well, he's lived and otherwise blameless life. Okay. I mean, he was a foreign agent for another government and did not tell us. He hit fifty million dollars worth of taxes worth of income, which would be tens of millions of dollars in taxes that he robbed from the American people. And there was many other counts. Right. Well, okay. So if someone robbed a Bank for about fifteen million dollars. Well, I mean before he stole the fifteen million dollars. He lived in otherwise because we don't do that at all. Haven't been caught doesn't mean that you weren't doing all of this criminality and misconduct. It's just it's ridiculous. What this judge did Adrian that goes to one part of why they thought they should get a lenient sentence. This time around his lawyer said but for short stint as a campaign manager in a presidential election. I don't think we would be here today. I think the courtship consider that to in other words, if you weren't briefly Trump's campaign manager, we never would have gotten called. Okay. That's not really a defense. Okay. But you're on her. I almost got away with it. It's not great honor. No one thought he was going to win. Okay. Even he didn't. He was going to win. I love actually it's so funny that everyone working for the Trump administration. Like, what do you mean? We knew we were going to win. No, you didn't and everything you've done up until this point shows. The you didn't think you were going to win. And you thought you were going to get away with all of this. I just want to know is there going to be ostrich feathered jumpsuits in prison doubt. It I heard Rikers has pretty good food applesauce is pretty strong. And so let let's also keep bringing down this like blameless life, otherwise and poor Manafort, so I actually I believe that Justice any Jackson here is acting in good faith in good intent and has shown that in other ways that she has handled this case and others. So I'm saying that with the context of her of a record. Okay. Now having said that I still think she's wrong. I think sentence was still to lean. She said the federal minimum guidelines excessive. No, they weren't. Why are they never excessive when it comes to minorities and poor Americans middle class Americans. But as soon as you see a guy in an ostrich check all of a sudden well there there, but for the grace of God goes, I write reciting family like. I interested how many non violent drug offenses like how many defense attorneys or like how often is it presented to jury that like, hey, this guy or this woman. They've family like. Really for the judiciary to make sure that they communicate that white men are still subject to a different Justice system. And in the event that she were to give him that full maximum, then it may undermine that whole principle that America's founded on and that's something. So especially rich, white, man. So let's keep breaking down because to Francesca's point. Well, just couple years back guy and got a life sentence for a joint. Now, they said, well, but you know, he had busted him on other drug charges earlier. So you spoke three joints and in some places in America. You can get a life sentence. But what are we supposed to give Ford credit for stealing the fifteen million dollars at once? Right. And again, we don't even know that that's true. And in fact, we do know he got those payments throughout different years. So you could count it as multiple counts if you did that he should be serving a life sentence. Right. And I would argue stealing fifteen million dollars from American taxpayers is far more you just smoke joint. But yet there are people usually minorities, but definitely poor that are in jail for ever for their life for that woman recently. And you're going to be not shoes. American got five years for accidentally voting twice. And no one really charges that it was anything but an accident, but they're like, but hey, look, we're gonna come down on voter fraud. So you're going to prison for five years. Okay. Both of these judges. Now, these are two different cases of Virginia. Did that it was not likely the case? Okay. So both of these judges gave him less than four years. Different counts. Different crimes. Right. The New York case third case, also different counts. Different crimes. So you accidentally vote twice you get five years if you're poor and African American, but if you're rich you get less than four years for massive crimes, he's sixty nine and he has gone out. What is gal I didn't know people got guilt anymore. That's like saying scurvy like what? Going on people do have to be fair. But like, that's exactly what my my point. Exactly. So he kept saying like family, actually, he just has a wife. So usually the love to hide behind their kids, but he's is sixty six and I have to take care of do. She's not eighty six or ninety six right? Okay. And so what the the woman who busted on the double voting? She's a family too. But when it comes to her we don't give a damn about her family the guy who had joined INA family. Nobody gave him about his family. We weren't having long conversations about. Oh, hey, dude. Move to join you have gal, you know. What do you do, you know upset stomach? You rank your your aides would never having that conversation. What is poor people? But he's reached new self awareness in prison. He says he's reaching to quote unquote, self awareness that like he can just not wear orange. It just doesn't work with his hair. And just the the white. He's wants to be silver, FOX, silver, FOX in Rikers. I think the whole thing with this, right? Is that he wasn't sentenced to around collusion charges? Right. No collusion, which is what is lawyers came out and said when he got the first four years, right? No collusion. Well, this wasn't about Russian collusion. And these most recent. The convictions and the sentence wasn't about collusion either. However, they are about money laundering, and they are about laundering money. Using more real estate here in the United States and receiving up to fifty million dollars from a pro Russian. Oligarch basically to advocate on behalf of pro Russian Ukrainian interests. From Russian oligarch. So like, it's not not related, but it isn't a collusion conviction or a sentence. But to say that it's completely unrelated what also be untrue. So I'm interested to see how this is going to continue to play out as the Muller investigation. Whenever whenever we get it. We'll get it around warning. Okay. So last couple things on what furniture said so Joe said the same thing. Like, why are you bring up the no collusion with the Russians and the campaign? This case is about and why they're bringing aren't happy because they're saying president if you'd like the partners, we telling them, there's no collusion. Wink. Right. But we do with this case. Right. So that's obviously why. And she's she's uprating them for that. But who cares e Lookie could've gotten ten years. And they said, well, he did cooperate. No he didn't in the beginning. In the beginning. And then he lied to them while cooperating that means you throw the book at him that means he gets the maximum. So he showed no remorse at all in the judge Ellis case, he didn't even apologize. So now finally he apologizes but after. He's now in for about non-friendly judge. He got caught lying. He got caught tampering with witnesses. That's exactly when you get the maximum not the minimum. So it's definitely an miscarriage of Justice. And finally. Wheelchair. Yeah. When he's out and about right when he had all the money, and he didn't, you know report it, and he's still working as a foreign agent and betraying the country a center, he's got ostrich jackets any walking around like a peacock if you will mixing birds here, right? Oh, yeah. My great suit. I'm great. I'm in charge. Right. And then when he gets caught off at a wheelchair sixty six year old wife gala wheelchair. Somebody have sympathy for me, no zero sympathy you did the crime. You should do the time. You should have done a hell of a lot more time. This Trump in his infinite corruption, pardon zoo than New York state's coming for you anyway, and they should throw. A bigger sense. If you get convicted you for at the state level, and by the way of Trump pardons, even though manafort's charges didn't have to do with Trump that shows you for a fact that Trump and Manafort are hiding something that did have something to do with Trump. Otherwise, he'd have no reason apart Manafort at all in other words, good job and keeping the real crimes away from them. You this that was bad? Wait till you see what manafort's got on Trump. That's why Trump keeps tweeting like, oh, yeah. Go to good guy. So sad. What happened to Manafort? What a good gay kidney Manafort and Trump did not do something illegal together. And then it turns out Manafort was doing something separate illegal like in this case and Trump found out. And then it's now Trump is being blamed for it. Do you have any idea how quickly Trump with Roman afford onto the bus? Hey, some bitch. I didn't know he betrayed me. This loser side, baby. Terrible. I can't believe it. Right. So what is still hiding today? That's an important question. All right. Look is so Alice one more, sir. Well, we know that Facebook has been down today, but do not worry. There are other entities. That are still stealing your data and information and this one is courtesy of ice. What they are using is a surveillance program kind of their part of this wonderful database that local law enforcement contributes to and burial screen, your license plate gather your information to kind of just built this wonderful database about your ongoing 's and get your information. And this is kind of a big deal because you'll notice that they're able to collect on average one hundred fifty to two hundred million license plates a month. And this is in fifty of the US's largest cities. Also, there are more than nine thousand ice agents with access to this database. This is absolutely surreal because they're using this to target immigrants unfairly, and in some cases illegally the ACLU provided us with this information following a foia requ. West and the staff attorney who had sued to get this information while she said, the public has a right to know when a government agency, especially in a moral in rogue agencies, such as ice is exploiting a mass surveillance database that is a threat to the privacy and safety of drivers across the United States. The government should not have unfettered access to information. That reveals where we live where we work and our private habits. So you guys what do you think about this whole collection and detailed roadmaps of our ongoing that pretty much accumulate sixty percent of the populations information. Look, if you're worried about big brother, whether you're on the left or the right. The right claims they're worried about big brother and big government looking in on your private lives there secretly recording license plate of all of us. Or at least the ones that are in the jurisdictions that are affected they're not just recording the license plate of immigrants or undocumented immigrants. The camera. Doesn't know if you're an immigrant or not a any knows everywhere you gone. So knows your house knows your work any every other place you've got. So they say, oh, no, don't worry. We're going to only use it for very important criminal cases. That's what they said in the beginning. And we're only gonna use it at the local level. Now it turns out. No, they're not just using it at the local level. They're using it at the federal level. And it turns out it's not just for really important crimes also detract down undocumented immigrants or people they think might be undocumented immigrants, so big brother grows, and grows and grows. And I think that's something. Remember, I mean, I'm only. Own to remember nine eleven and DHS department homeland security and ice these were things that were set up in the wake of nine eleven for those of you who had didn't have the privilege of living in a non completely militarized America. These were entity set up after nine eleven in order to supposedly keep us safe. But what they did was expand the surveillance state and activists then as they are now ACLU then as they still do now we're raising the alarm bells about that saying not only targeting specifically, people of color, Muslim, Americans immigrant Americans. But also all people, and I would argue that is doing exactly what they were designed to do. And that is why I agree with Alexandra Cortez and many other politicians and people who say that we need to shut down ice ice needs to go. It is not affective even ice says it needs to go even they reported to DHS Krista Nielsen, whatever her name is that. Essentially, they're not able to do their real job which should be to focus on. If there are dangerous immigrants if there are actual criminals not grandmothers who've overstayed their visas that we should focus on them. So I just think that really need to again, if you're on the left or the right like Jenkins, seeing absolutely focusing on the fact that we can replace these institutions with something that doesn't tread on the civil liberties of all people and keep us safe. Right. I also think that if you work in tech. Remember, your company probably has a DHS contract, Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Salesforce Pailin tier right and Amazon web series or some of the biggest companies that have contracts and back to this whole, you know, weather boycott is good or not. I absolutely think it is not it should it reflects poorly on these companies that they have contracts, this particular software is being or this. Databases are being run by vigilant solutions, which just sounds ominous. But we, you know, remembering that like the tech the tech side of this should not be lost on any American that we've responsibility to hold them accountable as well. And the good thing is there are states that are holding people accountable in terms of creating sanctuary laws that say that their local law enforcement cannot contribute and share information to databases like vigilant, which is good. But that's only about seven states one being California. And so the rest of the states and territories they are often plugging into this database in dumping information in on all of us. And so we're all vulnerable and exposed. So this is something you might wanna push local legislature for to kind of block these laws. So you know old Bob who's the sheriff is not turning over your data. And it turns out some some cities in California cooperated with ice when they were supposed to anyway, and slim read one last thing here back Francesca was saying I want to quote tech crunch last year. Nineteen of the top nineteen top ice Invesco. Nineteen of the top ice skaters that investing is serious criminal cases like drug smuggling sex trafficking rings called on the government at their work from ISIS in force -ment and removal operations unit which investigates immigration violations in handles deportations. So basically what they're saying is ice was supposed to track down serious crimes. So now, we're doing this extraneous work in work that is like basically making our job harder. Because then people don't trust us, and they won't work with us. And they won't give us information. So we can't solve real crimes. So that would be an argument by top ice officials to innocence. Abolished a thing known as is now it doesn't mean that you stop doing those things that means that you might stop doing some of them you keep the part that is about investigating serious crimes. You could rename the group. You could do whatever you want. But even the top ice officials are saying I don't want to be in the same room as those guys because they're hurting our ability to fight crime. Okay. We gotta take a break. Here. We got a lots of stories left for you guys, including a hilarious story of a right wing trap for liberals that went awry, you're going to love that and got new host coming in to Adrian Francesca. Thank you, everybody room Asian around. Yes. Okay. Francesca's podcast. We'll be right back.
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They pay its list. Kelly here are few things to check out in the ringer universe before the end of the week. We've gone oral history on the movie rounders twenty years later going up on Thursday. So read that and then check out the rewatch Ables episode the Bill and Sean did on the movie earlier this month and don't forget about our extensive football coverage. We have a new pod going up every day of the week on the ringer NFL show and more football content on the Bill Simmons podcast, dual threat against all odds subscribe to those and more on apple Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is a web boy day guys. Must be white boy day. It ain't white boy day. Is it juror, Mance. The re watchable is coming up. From the director of top gun and Beverly Hills, cop, two. Clarence I'm a married man buddies. Con. The letter. Did you get lighter girl in how far what are you doing in LA. Tasteful of trouble. My name is Vincent Kakadu worked. His console for was the blue boil the manual son stole from. All that stands between them and their wildest dreams are sixty cops. Forty agents. Oh, man is kid Claire. Thirty months. There's been curious. Supplanting Eddie raucous. In the few thousand bullets role going to die here. These are cops Nazis. CLYDE has two people been so good. Being bad. True romance. John fantasies here. Chris Ryan is here is the twenty fifth anniversary this month of true romance. A much imitated movie that when it came out in nineteen Ninety-three was like an atomic bomb was like, what is this was a roller coaster ride. There were a ton of actors, many whom I knew at the time and they ninety three and somebody didn't know as well. Now we know all of them and it really holds up. It's probably about ten minutes too long, felt a little fat and a couple of parts, but has some of the great scenes of the nineties and a lot of people at the top of their games, Chris, Ryan. Yeah, I, this came out when I was I guess I was fifteen and that time period in your life between fifteen eighteen twenty is like whatever. The coolest thing you've seen is the coolest thing you've ever seen in your life. And that was definitely the case for this run of Reservoir Dogs in ninety two to romance and ninety three, and and then you can even bring in a lot of other stuff like Tang clan. Album came out a month after this, I think in ninety three and it's it's no understatement to say that my life changed in that year. Just in terms of introducing me to a whole world that I didn't know about. I think the, I think check your head came out. Then the beastie boys record, which is another big like there's so many references. There's this whole world of like movies and soundtracks and records you don't know about and it. It was just so intoxicating then. And I still, I think tarintino just like kind of a big bang for me like he was kind of a comment like an I still like, I'm just so gassed on everything that he he's ever really done, but this movie for all its its problems and problems in retrospect, is it still rocks shod? Yeah, I think Chris hit on something really smart. They're what this is. One of those movies that shows you about one hundred other movies. There's so many other movie posters. There's so many movies playing in the background of movies. There's so many songs that you'd never would have heard if you hadn't seen them in these scenes. There's so many actors who you wouldn't have thought would have been right for parts like this and they find their way in, you know, Tarantino and I guess Tony, Scott. The director and the same way that like Wu Tang the beastie boys introduced you to new stuff. He like the introduce you to a million things in this movie, and some of it is like way over the line and some of it is ridiculous in purposely trying to like poke at you, but man, he just showed you so much new stuff. It was so such a sensory overload, it's such a fun movie. It's like a, it's like a big brother movie. It's like where where you see, and then you see a Christian Slater in salt Ruben talking about fear and desire, and somebody leans over is like, you know that Stanley Kubrick movie like, I didn't know that I, I don't think I've ever seen walking in hopper really movies before when I was this young. I mean, I think maybe but like never like this. Maybe hoosiers probably before before this. I'm trying to think of what are the big movies that those guys were in that you would have seen when you were twelve or thirteen? I think it's hard to overstate the Tarantino dialogue and how unique it was at the time because it's been so ripped off ever since you know, Reservoir Dogs was the first one, but even like in this movie when the first time we make aerial men is with Sam Jackson, they're doing a drug deal and they're talking about eating pussy and that stuff just wasn't in movie. Yeah. And characters who are, you know is basically good guys, bad guys, cops drug dealers, and those people didn't have conversations like that, and he was able to make all these people likable that were actually bad people. And I don't remember, I guess the godfather did it to some degree that you know that was like a family mafia movie, but the the way he just entered this world in the dialogue. Joe is news Attaran Tino movie. Oh yeah. And you could read, I remember getting all the books of go to like Walden books Brentano or whatever. The bookstore was not by the scripts that read them like me to their actual books, incredibly fun to read. The script is really, really fun to read. You ease obviously drawing a lot from like a more Leonard and stuff. That's the Detroit setting a lot of crime movies from the seventies. But the thing that was also happening within the world of these movies within the the the scripts and within the actual cinematic unit, he was building a cinematic universe at that time characters were there would be lines like did ally Joe to a damn defined, no or. There'd be themes that kept coming up like cops being like, you have to act talking about acting like the Tim Roth monologue in Reservoir Dogs. And then that kind of comes up again with Tom Sizemore being like act, motherfucker. You're an actor, you know it, these ideas are popping up and then with Pulp Fiction and later on, you start to find out that there are actually these connective characters that are happening in here, but even so into romance. Like they mentioned like Lance runs the comic book store in Detroit, Lance winds up. I don't think it's the same person, but that's the Eric Stoltz is character in Pulp Fiction. Like there's just like this feeling like you're being led into this whole other world of of references jokes and sayings, and also characters that may share the same world. It feels like all the characters from those three movies could have intersected in a different movie. Well, Allie Baylor ways, easily more dogs, right. She's mentioned in the movie before this as a partner that Mr White used to work with when they were robbing banks together, which is Harvey guy tells character. Yeah, it's weird. It's one of those things where Tarantino if you had met him, I think in real life you would have thought like this guy is the classic archetype of the obnoxious video store clerk record store clerk. You know, in this movie, the the comic bookstore salesperson who who's just knows more than you is kind of noxious has a ton of information, but to get to the information you're like, oh, man, I gotta talk to this guy, but yene movie form him doing his vision of the world was so bracing and so effective and so fun. I'm this movie is like it one part auto biography. One part fantasy. You know, one part aspiration of what he wanted to be. There's something so funny to watch somebody trying to put themselves on screen in that way and also like make themselves Christian Slater, which is not who in turn Tino is yet. They struggled with that part. The casting part of it. I there was one thing when I was researching it, there was like a five hundred page screenplay that was basically three two for movies. Alabaman's going on the road with Mr White for Reservoir Dogs. Yeah. I mean his his story is worth noting at this point because I feel like this is right. He sows. He sells this and he sells Reservoir Dogs. He keeps Reservoir Dogs to direct for himself in solves this Tony, Scott wanted to direct both of these movies and he was paid fifty k. for two Roman use that money to fund Reservoir Dogs. Right? And gave Tony Scott, the choice. Right. And then the thing that's really interesting is that obviously he's this outsider, he's working at a video store in Manhattan beach. She's friends with Roger, Avery. They're kind of like he's been trying to get get work. Once it happens for him, it goes zero to sixty. He's immediately consider no toward the one thing I wanted to ask you because you were probably as ran outta college older. Like did you when was the first time you heard about him? And did you hear about Reservoir Dogs before it theaters like or because there is a lot of talk about Tarantino. It was like all those actors who are in this movie where like I have to be in this. Yeah. And Reservoir Dogs played Sundance. It was like a major thing when a played Sundance but did did you because I started you romance first and then circle back and saw reservoir. I never saw Reservoir Dogs in the theater. I think it came out in college and I just missed it. I think it was like one of those things that they didn't even hit. You know, it was a box office and it wasn't in a, you know, five thousand theaters. It wasn't those things. I saw true romance in the theater and there just wasn't move is like that. I think now people have tried to imitate those type of movies. So many times where this exhilarating ride with characters and actors that are really going for it and couple twists and turns and some big ass scenes and but in ninety three that wasn't happening. And it was also a pretty weird time for movies, not necessarily a good time. You know it was very generic kinda, yes, it's right at the tipping point from going from like driving miss daisy into that. Like the Sundance brats like moment where Robert Rodriguez. Take our Tino number. All these guys come along and then fincher Paul Thomas Anderson and then movies changed like movies in the nineties change a lot. This is kind of that you're right. This is like a crux point where setting up ninety six to two thousand which is one of the best five-year movie runs ever. But ninety four is one of the best mainstream movie years ever. But that ninety ninety one ninety two. It just wasn't that good. It was a lot of sequels. It was a lot of people being disappointed. That's when William Goldman was writing a lot for New York Bank Zine just constantly like what the hell's going on. How's how's everybody missing on this stuff? Where movies going? And then this is the big picture that's all of his essays collected switch. But my basically eight hundred ninety three. Yeah. And you know, a lot of it's like, yeah, pretty women had this happen. Richard geared made ten straight terrible movies. Then all of a sudden he's in the biggest, but there was really no rhyme or reason what was going on, but was really not going on was a lot of creativity. Yeah. And then Tarantino came in. I was like, oh, movies. Oh, cool. Yeah, any obviously stimulate something in the people who are working with him. But most of all what was interesting was that after dogs came out and he obviously is set himself up as this, oh, Tori is going to direct his own work, but then you have Tony Scott's reading of his work like Tony Scott's rendition of his script, and it looks like Beverly Hills, cop against op gone. And you know, it's got Geoffrey Kimball shooting it. It's got Hans Zimmer music it. It's really, really interesting. And this is sort of right where I think there starts to be a critical recognition of what Tony Scott brought to movies and what he did specifically's become kind of a hip hip director and the posthumously. But back then people comic to Tony Scott. The guy who made like Jerry bruckheimer movies, right? Yeah. Will he did the hunger in the in the late seventies early eighties in people like this guy's a great artist, and then he does top gun Beverly Hills, cop, two in. It's just like he's a Hollywood guy as a slick Hollywood guy, but did everyone feel that way because I love Tony critics. Yeah, critics, I didn't care where like Peter Travers, but a so he, he rips off Tony, Scott rips off top gun Beverly Hills, cop two, which is a great move in and was super satisfying and made a lot of money. And everybody command thinner was like, that was awesome. I loved it days of thunder cruise, the racing car movie revenge. Was his only miss the Kevin Costner movie, which didn't work in probably should've. I don't really know what happened has lived lived on as a film tumbler, like, look at this still from revenge. It's awesome. Yeah. But then last boy scout was when there is backlash and I remember being disappointed last boy scout because it was like Bruce Willis at the height of his powers, Damon. Wayans like everybody's just so. Oh, ready for another Eddie Murphy. It's I can't funny, Buckeye and action movie in their sports and people just wanted that to be awesome. It's actually kind of better than gene block script, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think it's better than people remember, but at the time was just considered kinda didn't totally worry, mislead supportable production like those. Everybody on the movie hated each. Everybody hated Bruce Willis, Joel silver and Tony Scott didn't get along. This then influences to romance. Yes. Yeah, it's funny, Tony, Scott, at the time, I think everybody was like, he's all says, all no stake like you really have anything to say. He's just got amazing style, and you know there's a case for that, but him with a good writer and a good movie. Star is awesome. Yeah. And then he does drew roommates and cribs crimson tide here, which turned to you did a little bit of dialogue polish on crimson tide. There's a Christian Slater moment that has to be mentioned. He does Heather's, which was a really important in the movie really creative in thing. It was him in Winona. It's hard to believe that movie guy made now. It's basically like a school massacre it's really not. Yeah, I don't know. It was dark thirty years ago now it'd be even darker, but one of my favorite movies that year, I even remember where I saw just fucking loved it and then he does pump up the vine. She's a psychotic nineties integrate soundtrack since later invented podcasting. Volume invented podcasting. So we've daleks for talk about that. I don't remember. We've talked about it before Christian Slater, one hundred percent event in podcast puppy. He's original Joe Rogan here, man. Man topic we actually should do like a rewatch Ables or a second watcher something that movie because I think people would be stunned that it really didn't invent podcasting, then he does Robin Hood than it has untamed heart. Yeah, and it's kinda fallen apart a tiny pit for him because there's this Momo was like, that's the next Jackson. Like he had somewhat of a rocky off screen like time substance stuff. Yeah, you get arrested. He's real rested multiple times. Yeah. He also was a child actor because he was in a couple of things when he was fifteen sixty was legibility. Yeah, he's gonna cube. You've done a much stuff, but we had I had a lot of personal equity in Christian Slater. I think a lot of people data that's our Nicholson. That's going to be our guy and it didn't happen, and then he's thrown into romance, dyas hair, and it was kind of like make a break for him. He ended up being really good in it, but he ended the cell of the movie, the winds out having like a pretty much a lost decade after that would interesting is Brad Pitt's in this movie right after thumb Louise. So he had some smoke in cash shea kind of. Rising. They just didn't have Brad Pitt as the lead of this movie or at least pushed for. It doesn't seem like that even ever occurred ten, but it was always Slater. What are the things? It's really interesting when you go back and read about all the movies of this era is how many different people were going for these parts. So and also just in terms of like the production schedules on, I can't remember what Brad Pitt did right after Thelma and Louise was at seven. Right? A California. Maybe seven was like, ninety four ninety five. He did the thumb Louise, which I'm going to say was ninety or ninety one because I was in college and then did made a couple of weird movies made like California. He got the fall, right? There's a handful movies in that, but he's like an all new like three days. I just wanna be helpful people like Kim vowed Kilmer who is just I can. I just have a part. Yeah, yeah, I'll do anything about Comber I think would have been too old. Yeah, he would've been. It would have been worked with Scott in, yeah, gun. So ninety, two percent Iran tomato Sean, don't care. Robert Ebert. I liked this movie Roger. Ebert the great, Roger. He's saying about Robert Ebert, Roger, Roger, Ebert and robbery. But Roger. Yeah, come back on the rachi. It's the last three that we done. He's really like hard to believe the most famous and has worried of all time. I was worried about his taste, a boxoffice failure bonded. Yeah, it is spent twelve and a half million made twelve point three. It's tough sell. It's twenty to read the stories about them trying to do the test screenings in the marketing of this movie. They didn't really know how to sell to the audience and also, like you said, it's a great point. People didn't really know how to deal with a movie like this. The reviews we live in a culture now or like, oh my God. This is so offensive about everything. But the reviews of this movie people are like this movies way over the people read the script. I think Patricia. Our cat was like this is like real racist and like, and they had to like work through it and totally. I mean, that was that's a whole other thing where it's like, this isn't like going back and be like, oh, yeah, man. Everybody was like all movies were like this. No movie is like this. No movie was like reservoir, don't mainstream movie made by a guy like this. That was the dialogue in these movies is still pretty scandal. Dogs had that you're cutting scene was the big one from that that became a whole story, whether that went too far, should that have been in the movies or should this be ridded act Iran conversation in the beginning you're kinda like, is this really happening in v. like I can't believe this is trying to think what the legacy of this movie was before we get to the categories. I would say it's peak, Tony, Scott. It's really Tony, Scott, throwing all his pitches. It's a complete game. Fifteen. Strikeouts seven walks three heads kind of Tony Scott movie. If you're gonna say, I'm trying to explain to somebody what Tony Scott is. I have to show them a Tony Scott movie would probably be this movie. It's got incredible scenes with cars. It's got an incredible shootout and it's got an human women looking, beautiful and human dialog. Clicking also, it's he's the master of like, you know what? This, this shot needs steam coming out of a great. You know what this shot needs all the streets have to be wet. Everything should be Dion. Everything should be like blue light hitting her face in this. It's a painter Lee movie has to that is a Tony Scott thing. It has a train. Yeah, you know, Dennis hopper, all. There's so many trains and Tony Scott movies. He loves the things that are moving all the time. I'll say this when I was a kid. Because obviously, when you're a teenager, you basically have your hometown, maybe like the one or two or three places your parents have ever taken you in your life. This movie made l. a. look like another planet, and I think it was interesting to listen to the cast members talk about. They were all, obviously, young had some money probably partying lot and they're like kind of captured this moment in Los Angeles of like shady producers, everybody going out for auditions. Everybody's trying to get movies Anders. This on that and all these people are in this movie at the time and that the film that they're in kind of reflects their life in. It sounds like it was a very fun loving set in terms of how much they partied and stuff like that and especially given like what happened to a bunch of the people in this movie. I mean, yeah, it's the player was like that to swimming sharks. There's like four or five bogeys from this era that was kind of like Hollywood looking at itself. Which was great because we didn't have the internet back then I didn't know anything about Hollywood. I just had a couple books that I read and that was it. I love watching these movies now to having lived in LA for a while. Like when Floyd gets confronted by the gangsters and he's giving them directions about how to get the Beverly ambassador, and he's like, go down beechwood for while make a right going. And it's like, I know what that means now is actually trying to give them directions to Sunset Boulevard. And you know when I was thirteen I didn't know what that was. It is slightly more fun to watch this movie when you're in LA. This is one of the craziest casts we've ever had Christian Slater, Patricia Arquette Rappaport Bronson Pinchot. Oh Saul, ruby DHEC, Dennis hopper, James Gandolfini, Gary Oldman Christopher Walken, Chris, Penn, Tom Sizemore, Brad, Pitt. Thou Kilmer Sam Jackson. I think this was the first movie that was like fucking, we're going for. We're just, here's the all star team. I think it has the most. Five minutes or less great performances on maybe any movie ever where people have such limited screen time, but they're awesome when they're on screen like Sam, Jackson Val, Kilmer, Gary Oldman, and Saul Romanek. It's the best Hannah waiters were though. Oh, it's the best waiters word. We've had all the. We would have to expand the fee. He was like number one for Dan waiters, but I think this is actually almost self-aware. It's self aware of Dion before Dion was Dion. It's like they know that they're only going to do six pages of script and they're going to light them on fire, Craig, Craig, the producer who's doing the pod today who hadn't seen it before he was like, man, all these actors are really going for it. Yeah, it was kind of getting the game jacket upshots because you're talking about that time period, movies, and then Tarantino comes along. And if you're an actor, you must be like it's like going from playing plotting half court basketball to Doug Moe offense. You know, it's like all of a sudden you're just you're throwing going up and down the court as fast as you can in. It's probably really thrilling. Yeah. I mean, white men can't jump was another example. One man, this is really original dial. I'm not. I'm not used to this, but for the most part, it was a lot of like in the line of fire with Clint Eastwood, John Malkovich type of movies, movies you could tell from the poster, what it was, where it was going in some cases, it's guys trying to recreate how they talk to their friends. And in some cases, it's guys taking like detective novels and kung FU movies and stuff that they liked and like just turning into the left a little bit, but hit the Tarantino voice has been written about over and over and over again. It's it's one in a billion. It's one in ten billion, like just somebody like that. Also someone who doesn't play by a lot of dramatic rules because what he's basically saying is like all the voices of the voices in my head. Yeah, and everybody is going to sound in a certain way. It's not like those characters. It's not like the the voice deviates when it's someone who's maybe not as well read or hasn't seen these movies or is everybody here has an anecdote. Everybody here has this performance monologue and everybody here has. These little ability to do this pattern that is just all in one dude's brain. Yeah, I'm probably under over eight or underrating ninety two ninety three because there we're good movies. Okay. Yeah, I guess they were just not movies like this serious. I was looking at like the domestic grosses see had drastic park MRs Doubtfire the fugitive the firm sleepless in Seattle, indecent proposal inland. Afire pelican, brief Schindler's List. Cliffhanger Free Willy Philadelphia groundhog day grumpy old bed. Cool. Runnings Dave rising sun demolition, man. I keep going, but there wasn't a movie like this, but there were like very sad, Castlerock some Grisham you know, movies like yet the of those movies you named. I feel like Dave is one of the only ones that has like a distinct voice point of view. Like drastic park is a perfect movie, but it's a big blockbuster, Steven Spielberg when it gets a little further down the list that gets a little more interesting like ally. Live share. Let's okay. The piano falling down menace to society, poetic Justice, those movies of voice point of view, the crying game. Those are some of those early movies to yelling down poetic Justice. This one was one of a kind, but they, but the worst part of this whole Tarantino era was all the terrible move is they spun later those really that was the tax. You'll I like a lot of those movies. This is a funny he'd have the amongst friendship. Now. I don't live amongst friends. Most runs a really interesting like this Long Island movie two days in the valley will two days in the valley and things to do in Denver when you're dead were the two movies. It really got killed for this. People were like these two movies are ripping off Tarantino so hard. But b minus Tarantino is still better than same. Linus anything coming out saying to do in Denver things ever is a cool move. Yeah, yeah. Let's take a break with the categories. Let's talk about DC d like, DC, do you love these? See are you? Some people might call obsessed with DC what's DC? I'll tell you, you need to get to DC universe. It's the only place where you can watch the all new live action titans, which premieres this fall not to mention young Justice, outsiders doom patrol swamp thing, star grow Harley, Quinn all come your way in two thousand eighteen new episodes. Come out every week. 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I really only think there's five k. I think there has to be five choices Clarence versus Drexel, Clarence goes back to get the money from Drexel. So if you haven't seen this movie in a while, Clarence falls in love with this Hooker that his boss hires them and that is they get married and he decides she's a call girl Bill, Chicago, there's a difference. She says, he decides he has to emancipate her from the pimp. He just he can't handle it. He's gotta go like, get his stuff and make it clear to the pimp. She's with him now. Drexel Spivey played by Gary Oldman. Yes, that leads to a shootout. He takes the wrong suitcase, and they end up going on the run suitcase, full of cocaine. Yet I, we watch -able seen Clarence goes to confront Drexel. Second one hopper versus walking at think which. Might be the most famous scene of both of their careers since possible. Wow. Gandolfini, verse Alabama, a complicated seen. I live in all these versus the coke sale at the Beverly ambassador. Not when it go when it all goes bad. But when Slater shows up and his talked about it was talking about his movies, movies in there. He's being wired brands, learn a body bag, coming home in a body. Jags we're calling it bodybags to go more taste. And then finally the the big shootout the big three way Tarantino second three way issued out to movies. So what is the most reliable seen? My I personally think it's Clarence versus Drexel is one of the great five minutes of this. I just can't get enough of it. I think it's the Sicilian story. It has to be, how can it not be it's daring universities Sienese ever written, or at least it was whenever this last time I read about and it's it's like three dimensional chess. I can't believe how good that scene CENA's. It's a fact you see. Said black blood up to their hearts. And now if you if you don't believe me, you can look it up hundreds and hundreds of years ago. The moors conquered Sicily. To one hundred percent. I think one you gotta Christopher Walken playing a Sicilian which is ludicrous choice. He's the least Italian person I've ever seen in my life and he pulls it off. Yeah, you've got hopper whose act as a fascinating moment in his career when he has survived the nine stages of fame, he's done horrible things in his life. He's been looking amazing trailblazer filmmaker. He's been celebrated actor, kademi award nominate. He's been. He's been heroes, who shooter. He was Frank and blue velvet. He was all these characters characters, and he actually, Chris texted me this last night. He's like, so warm and like powerful in this movie is performances relationship that Clarence the way that they talk to each other the way that they set up that relationship in like three minutes. Yeah. And then you get to this moment in that scene. He so incredibly good and just the dialogues amazing the way that all a carrot. Let's sort of gangsters surround them in this circle the way that shot had happens in the middle of the day, but it looks like it's three o'clock in the morning. It's so darkly lit a spotlight on them. And then the dialogue is. Crazy two guys telling crazy Tarantino the anti Christ, and you got me in a vendetta type of mood. You kidding me, it's great. All right. You talking to you. I love Drexel. Drexel is one of my favorite characters. Gary Oldman was pretty famous at that point. Like he'd been in Dracula. He was a guy that everybody talked about as like, this is going to be one of the next grade actors and out of all the people in this movie, seeing it twenty five years ago that was like that Gary Oldman Domino's going on, why? What's wrong with this? Why? Why does he have a hat on? Why is he talking like a like a black guy would see what's happening right now. See was sitting down here. Negotiate. Giving up your shit up still a mystery to you, but I know exactly what you'll wait ass is coming from. If you want some dental and you April. This motherfucker. He's coming on like in the world and who knows? Maybe he don't. Maybe this fool's. Such a bad, multiple focal. He don't got to worry about nothing. Just sit out in DVD. It was such a strange. I don't even know what the two thousand eighteen version of casting would be him in that role. There's some disagreement necessarily about like where the inspirations for the character come from Tony, Scott disagreed about that, right? Yeah. Tony, Scott says that Gary Oldman called him in the middle of the night and was like, God, I figured out who Drexel is. He's my drug dealer. And then when Gary Oldman was asked about a girl who was like fucking Tony, Scott, trying to give me a wreck drug dealer. Then his version was he just heard a bunch of black kids outside his trailer, hard MS, emulated them. Tony, Scott had a really big heat check way after this movie where he gave crazy interviews and clearly didn't like Christian Slater and took credit for a lot of stuff. Yes. That was Gary Oldman happy about that stuff now. Drexel is he's of complete Tarantino original character though. Yeah, he's fascinating. Every single word he says is entertaining. I just think it's it's just so rare in movies to come across a the Sicilian see also just like, this is another example of I, I don't know if they do Drexel and they shoot it basically the way that Reservoir Dogs has shot just pretty flat. The lighting is pretty, you know, obviously because of the because of the budget was they shot Reservoir Dogs for the most part of in a warehouse. And if you shoot Drexel pretty straight up and you don't have the music and the lights and he's throwing Chinese food or have an egg roll all that stuff. This may just not work at all. Like that's where Tony Scott kind of makes this movie something completely different in Tarantino cannon. That's why I think that's the best Tony Scott, seeing because the music's perfect that weird, crazy tech music and influence. Is the name of the artist on that sound pushed in the light swinging back and forth, and the whole dialogue where he's just like, see if you'd said this that I might have been like, this is a crazy motherfucker. But like instead you gave up everything and I gave up nothing and he's like putting the light back and forth. I mean, it's just a minute. Seems like Slater superintendent dated, and he's just kind of listen and he's like, well, first of all, and then he has had for the seven questions. Yeah, I just loved that now watching the TV because I've seen the movie already. It's the MAC from nineteen seventy dryer. And I'm not hungry. What's age, the best feel free to throw in your own additional ones here. Gandolfini young Gandolfini. Now, as this is age, you have this whole Tony soprano experience with him, and he's basically like dishing to be Tony soprano in this movie. I mean, so many of the things that he does are in Tony soprano. I love this movie and it was one of the first DVD's I bought and I watched it a lot of times in the nineties before Tony soprano happen. He was always the guy from this movie to me, it was always like, wow, that guy was amazed. Enter that guy is where's he from this? And he's Jair Get Shorty. And I was thought that those were like the two poles of Tony soprano towards browse like so sweet and so charming and so evil in so menacing, and so violent and like, that's, that's him. It's doing the addition next one age, the best Floyd and but really invested where's that? Go. No, go down. Go down Beat's guys, wanna smoke bowl. Go down beechwood and drive while, and then you're going to turn ri- okay. And then you go keepdriving keep. Dr. Floyd was it's cleaning products was an a plus plus in the nineties, and especially in the DVD era. And especially if you were getting big to two in the morning, like I may have done a few times in the nineties and Floyd was kind of our spirit animal, and it was interesting. I don't step on the internet research, but I didn't even know this. I did it that jut appetite. The whole idea of pineapple express came from, they love for what would have happened. If Floyd chase the Italians. Folks for thing about Floyd to is. It's not like entropy thunder. When Tom Cruise is doing a cameo and he's just like, I'm going to work at so hard and make like, I'm only he's almost trying to go viral in that movie. Yes, it's like Brad Pitt is actually just like, I'm just gonna line this fucking couch, man, and I'm gonna like, say a couple of improv lines. It's the only improv dialogue aside from Dennis hopper San, you're at eggplant and Christopher Walken say, and you're a cantaloupe. All the Floyd stuff is largely improvised by Pitt. He's just like so perfectly woven into the fabric of the movie. He's not trying to do anything else, but the three times you see him, you're like, I can't believe I got so lucky as to see this this performance. The thing about it is though he's the most important character and the because he's the person who gets them altogether for the shootout at the movie. I mean, he really is the turning point. Yeah, and the whole don't condescend me, man. I'll fucking kill you. That apart, which is my favorite line in the movie one condescend me. So I need to start saying that to you. Kinda send me fencing Killian you could kill me. I will say with the with the Brad Pitt thing. And I can't remember if we've talked with this was before he has this alternate path where he's one of the great character actors of all time where he's created like these fifteen nine essential, but super memorable fund. He just could've done that. But he was almost like he was so handsome leading, man. Yeah. I mean, like he's still does that up through. I mean, Burnett after reading where he's just like, I'm gonna play this like waste of space, but it's just gonna be. It's actually probably what he was born to doing what you would probably prefer to do. But he's fortunately the most famous person in the world. Seven, he's not Brad Pitt. He's, it's like there's some character he put thought, and then I can't even really describe I think is that time period where he's coming to material that's not written necessarily for him. Whereas I think everything after that is started to be created for him in some way, shape or form. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. It also sets up this relationship with Tarantino now he makes glorious bastards like, yeah, fifteen. Years later. And now the Tarantino's x. movies starring Brad Pitt once sometime in Hollywood next year. So that's another age. The best Dennis hopper is Slater's dad we'd talked about, but there's something so fucking likable. But then as hopper, especially, he got older, like you're really attached to shooter. You really tach to the guy in this movie even like the villain and speed. It was hard to root against him. I didn't really want to accept evil that is operated just like them. Also. It's actually a crucial seen the Clarence Clifford scene because we always talk about the dialogue or like the the, these two lovers on the run as at this plot point, but that's really economical film writing to communicate a lot about who Clarence was yet. It's like, he's like, you're just like your mother. You know, I haven't seen you in three years hoppers obviously supposed to be recovering alcoholic because he doesn't drink beer, but he can. You know, he's like, what's the strongest thing you've got? He's got, I got a seven in there. You learn so much about Clarence and why he. Might be the kind of guy who's gonna throw it all away. Yes, for this one chance and that's actually brilliant writing. That's the thing that gets underrated about Tarantino because we're also dazzled by the structural stuff and the dialogue, but almost because Tony Scott's hold this movie much more straightforwardly. We get to see some of the barebones stuff. The Tarantino does that. So good. That seems funny too because it has to lines from two classic movies that Tarantino just lifts inputs into movie. You're just like your mother in something that hopper says in rumble fish yet. And that's the reason he gave him that line and the beer line. The clearances, like beers. All I ever eat is from the last picture show and you're just like the little, there's little tiny things like that throughout this movie that Tarantino lifts. Yeah, Woodson. And when I first heard it, I was like, what a cool on dial beers. All I read and then ten years later, you see last picture show and you're like, oh shit, he did that little Easter egg in this movie. Yeah, it was pre internet in movie quotes in pulling stuff from the past than stuff was. A little more important. NATs have a kind of a renaissance. 'cause the Twitter gifts down when people have reactions to stuff on Twitter, they'll just grab moments for movies, but that was like people actually talked like that in the nineties. That's why. When I, when I started writing my calm, I would throw that shit the think because that's how me and my friends. We just did movie lines all the time. Like one of the ways we connected another one. What's age, the best. This one's for you, Chris, Ryan. Sizemore pen together. Yeah, she's like the cop show. We never got that. I would love them on FOX like like this twelve episode, FOX cop show that got canceled they to choose. I've Tom Sizemore. He wasn't quite able to. It had to be the two. There's something about the two them together. Yeah, I mean, can you imagine a more drug adults set than Tom Sizemore Crispin? I think so. I mean, we saw Sean and I saw a live read of the script a couple years ago at the hill, the right incompatible casts of people reading. Been thing. It wasn't Raymond thing. It was. It was. It was so tell you. So they had Chris Christian Slater, Patricia, Arquette, do Alabama and Clarence. But well, the cops were the duplex brothers, and it was like, actually, I would love to see a duplex brothers, like straight up cotton movie of them playing these guys. Yeah, yes, size more and Penner. Incredible in this, their incredible. I misspoke it was. It was a a right man thing. This was the lineup of people that did it. It was j. k. Simmons reading the part of Clarence estranged father. Nice Kevin, Pollock doing walking Jon Favreau did Gandolfini Mark and Jay Duke losses. The trigger happy cops, Keegan, Michael key, and Paul Scheer were Drexel, Elliot. Blitzer. Wow. May Whitman was a number of characters, I guess, and Jason Segel's. Floyd Jesus. Yeah. Another would sage the best coming home in body bags just fucking fun. The heels I move is the entire Saul Rubenesque as Leon, as Joel silver and Bronson Pinchot the screeners or the daily. He was watching Jalen up there and he was the whole Joel silver Dhamma what's thing and Bronson Pinchot being his assistant, the blonde security Boris Boris. He's like, I forgot to tell you something. I hate copy. And then dick Ritchie constantly trying to be like, does he know him an actor actor. I love it so much one of my favorite movie characters of all time. Yeah. Elliot. How much saving for saving for Dion waiters because it's a fast. Any deal waiters argument. The last one sage, the best for me is Hans Zimmer score. Yeah. So really, really distinct. I like it. It makes me happy, and I think it gives the movie a little bit of levity. Here's any. Here's moving nursery for you. So that score is based on a composition from the fifteen hundreds by German composer. I think they call or yeah. And then that score is picked up an integrated into badlands Terrence Malick movie from the seventies. And then Hans Zimmer essentially redoes it for the score and there's no much the badmin- true meant starts with Patricia Arquette s- voiceover which very much mimics state city space, x voice over in Badland. Yep, this is just a movie full of stuff that has pulled the best parts of stuff from other stuff yet what's age? The best. By the way of all those things Guinot. Looks as age the best. Like I think that of all the things in it. I just really go back to this as like the peak of Tony Scott's like just neon vision of urban America. I still am responding to the dialogue, yes, you know the the way that it's written and obviously it's like so over the top and violent and offensive. But like that was the that's the point that is the point is pulp, and I don't know. I again Fini one is like obviously they predicted one of the biggest team. I would say Endo Fini. It's this. Yeah, it's like watching. I don't know Michael Jordan college or something like, oh, there's Michael Jordan, heavy thirty seven on North Carolina, like that means something. I don't know would sage the worst. Smoking in movie theaters. I I in the payphone movie theaters that a payphone I was like, oh, because for the most part, this movie could come out right now. There's a couple small things. I think Gandolfini beating the shit that for ten minutes probably. Yeah, wouldn't come out today. I don't think that they would do that. I don't know that they do Drexel today. Probably not. Although here's the thing that you can do the Cillian today. I mean, I honestly like I think they had eggplant speeches. I would have done it if they do it. Oh, I know. I think they would have done it. I think I think people get way out of shape about two thousand eighteen 'cause we live in the everybody has to be perfect all the time, outraged society, and everyone will end up for that one Tarantino why does he keep doing me sir? We're going to, he's going to do crazy shit. And once upon a time in Hollywood, there will be this whole cycle of like, can you? Can you not do this? I still think he's doing the movies that he wants to do thing is is like he always describes until self as a dude who grew up around mostly black people who had a lot of black friends as a kid. And so he feels like he has access to this experience and he always writes about it, and he always has Sam. Jackson is movies in every time. This comes up Sam Jackson's like Gwen Zonta, racist coins. Cool. I love coins dialogue, and he really understands something and this we go through this every single time. So the civilian speech he said is based on a conversation that he had with a guy that he was friends with was black who told that story. He puts it in the words of a white guy. So it's more offensive. This is speech also is rooted in a very like, that's very true to life, kind of character of a guy who's like very lonely in reads a lot lotta history books in his, like I know a lot about the world because I read a hundred percent. It's a fucking guy that I've definitely met over the course of my who's just like guess what you ever read this book. He didn't read this book. I'm gonna tell you something about this. Yes, and you're like, oh, great. Here I am going for arrive at this guy in, and that's the thing I think is very important distinction about this is that there is like probably for better for worse. We're losing our ability to distinguish between the creator in the creation and whether or not the characters that we see on screen should match our moral values, right? And whether or not seeing somebody with moral values that you find reprehensible at times, it still makes them worthwhile characters, Toowoomba other, it's art and it's fake. I, I've never had that problem. I'm also a white man, so I've never been like really like the target of of the things that would make me upset about it. But we've Tarantino a comes from tradition of pulp, crime, gritty, fucked up people who are not good. Nobody in this movie is good, and like even Clarence and Alabama for as much as we like them are essentially criminals. And it's just like, you just have to kinda like change your compass a little bit when you're watching this stuff. And I guess I'm just. Personally, like way interested in these kinds of people. But I never get confused about whether or not like Tarantino is racist or rethinks like this is really cool. It's happening to Patricia Arquette, but let's talk about the other stuff in the movie. We talked about this last rounders too. It's like this a movie about dirtbags in crooks movie about dirtbags on crooks. They act a certain way. I put the plant speech down for this, but at the same time I don't think it's age bad. They I just think the country's changed and in whatever new prisoner and people like, oh, what does this? But the whole point of that is those are the characters. He's not condoning the dialogue and the guys hoppers basically, nose is gonna die. Any tries to get in Washington and he's like the worst possible thing. He can think we should still be able to do that movies the Gandolfini Arquette seen. I'm going to defend the scene and I think it could still happen in two thousand eighteen. The whole point of this movie is everybody's bad. The behavior has to be over the top to warrant like, you know that were invested in these. Characters, and she's the hair of the movie and she wins the scene. She kills you and it goes so over the top in a way that is, you can't believe it. She's this Hooker who has had this calmer, and and I'm rooting for him, invested in her one. I want them the cell, the suitcase, and now that Gandolfini is in the hotel room and and she's for some reason that scared doesn't turn around and run tries to deal with them. It goes super-duper dark. He's just pounding her and she survives and gets out of it. Like to me, it's no different than Houma Thurman and kill Bill or something. There's also like the, I don't feel like it's that mentioning violence you, no, I don't even gives his movie like a tremendous amount of gravity and it may be it's it's it's uncomfortable to watch. Maybe it's maybe. Is like unwatchable to some people, and I totally understand why, but so much of the beginning of this movie and up until this point is fantasy. It's a fantasy of clearances to have a woman like Alabama. Her name is a fantasy like nobody's named that. She looks like a pinup girl who walks off of a poster, everything about what happens for them where like he kills the drug dealer and it's a bag full of coke and getting a cattle, how does the guy like that have a Cadillac like that will KENDALL drives off to the desert. He's goes, gets from Detroit to California and snap, and it's everything about it is this dream? And then this ends that dream because this is the consequences of all the fantasy. I mean, obviously the Drexel scene is violent. He gets his face punched in a little bit, but this is a guy who seen Elvis in the bathroom. And then finally, the scene happens and it's away from Clarence. And this is like who these guys really are. This is what they're willing to do to people, and it completely changes the sort of stakes of the move by the way Guinot Fini sets it up really well in the scene. You know, let me take a look at you. He put, he plays. He plays it almost almost like a masochist. He's like, you get a shot at me. You stab me, but he's almost like stereotyping, likable Batum until he actually starts hitting her where it's like, oh, he's he's kind of flirting with her. There's this weird dynamic that I can't remember seeing before and then it gets violent. But he said it a bit after he hits her couple times. And then he goes, you know, the first time you kill somebody and he's just taught. He's he's a fucking psycho in the whole point of it is that guys as psycho and she has to defeat him to keep going up so into it by the end of that when she kills him, you're like, yes, it is. And with the rifle. I just think it's great. The only thing that will get legislated is when Tarantino does stuff like this, it's ver- it's not beautiful in that. I'm usually very gross and raw and radial. Tony, Scott makes really beautiful things. And this those scenes are weirdly shot beautifully. There's like the slow motion when she goes through the shower, there's her getting pushed against the mirror. There's all this like art films, stuff going on Hilsum at the end. It's almost like a like a, like a caveman, killing a William ama- through something like only. Exactly. And I think that people would be like this. That is a glamorization of stuff like this, and it's also the scenes. It's basically three scenes cut up 'cause they keep cutting back to it. It's just really long. It's just a lot of time spent us watching Patricia Arquette or ask kicked, and she kills him in like thirty seconds. Yeah, there's just so much time spent showing her getting beat up that I think today you just wouldn't have it that way. It would probably be the other way it'd be like he knocks around for thirty seconds and then she beats him for three in and idea. Totally. It's like the one thing about that scene is that it smells like he comes back and rescues her, but I think it smashes right into Bronson Pinchot getting arrested right after that. The next the next thing which is like collapse, but is almost like totally a little bit of a clinician with what you just going for the immediate next scene as him getting a blowjob in a car. And yet in the lady documents cooking, Oliver, I think it's the most important scene in the movie because after that you're like a anything is possible and their day will absolutely kill these people that I become attached to. You don't. Totally feel that went right. The actual answer for what's age. The worst is this anecdote about Tony Scott came up with what he calls a quote persuader when trying to get Patricia Arquette to get to where she needed to be mostly for the scene, he would occasionally slap her before they started shooting and it became such an occurrence that she ended up approaching him in asking him for the persuader before they're heavy scenes later in the movies, and then he jokingly said after it's called English school of directing, I'm positive that wouldn't go over well in two thousand eighteen. It was kind of hard to believe. Read in two thousand eight was kind of crazy indefensible and weird. That's just a weird real fucking weird. There's a maximum oral history that you can read online and that's just in there. Like one of the one of the stories I oh, yeah, I used to slap Patricia Arquette that's gonna hear about directing in like nineteen fifty, seven, not nineteen Ninety-three Daniel, the late sixties and seventies like Peckinpah and he's just like him in Charlton Heston beating the shit out of each other before shot or something like that. That was the SNL sketched a Belushi put Peckinpah like beat the shit out of his cast members casting. What if a couple of Goodwin's for Alabama Tarantino won a Joan cusak what a fucking genius. He wrote this on the late eighty John cusak. Now. He's like, that's so smart and genius. She's amazing. Don't use Acas amazing that is like his. You can't raise your eyebrow at that. This guy put John Travolta in Pulp Fiction. I don't think she has enough sex appeal for that character personally. I always thought that weirdly the Joan Cusack never got a role to show off her sex appeal. Okay. She's in. She's pretty sexy in the Addams family. This is the Joe cusak. Could she pulled off a sexy character argument that we've been waiting for Deidre. I agree. I thought that was kind of an interesting idea. I mean, the thing is Patricia Arquette is so hot and so that it's hard to see anybody else, but Ridley Scott one drew Barrymore about this. Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry, Tony, Scott. And so ninety three drew Barrymore was I think a year before mad love which I remember seeing the theater because I love drew Barrymore and I wanted to see her play like a crazy girlfriend who is unraveling and I think she could have pulled off Alabama and I think it was the right point of her career was she had this career baggage and she had some drug alcohol stuff. We've kind of gotten her ship back together. I think she would have been good in this movie and had actually think she would have been in a lesser after this movie, Patricia Arquette for whatever reason. This did not propel her to. I mean, I guess the reason is only made twelve billion dollars. Yeah, but she's fucking Cada amaze. My high school girlfriend started like curling her hair. The way to particular cat has because she was like immediately. This complete model like model of cool like immediately and in this mood so role that some of the actions now is absolutely murder somebody for, you know, it's funny about it too, though, is like we, I think we talked to a manic pixie Dreamgirls a couple episodes ago. She's totally fake. I mean, she's totally this creation, the whole, not just the setup that gets her into clearances life, but everything about her now listening to the the commentary with Tarantino last night of the movie. And he literally says on the on the commentary and he's not, he's not embarrassed about it. He he says, I just didn't have girlfriend until I was twenty five and I was writing this movie and I was like, he's just inventing his dream girl a girl who will watch Kofu lease with him the chicken drier, and and just hang out and and be funny and have a lot of sex and smoke, and this is just what he wanted, and she's for whatever reason. She was just the perfect actress to embody that. That idea in his head, Jack plaque was cut from the movie. He played an usher in the comfort movie theater. Thou Kilmer desperately wanted to play Clarence. You mentioned that earlier Tarantino originally viewed this Brule as like David carrying it. I think being a little bit more of like an older loser. And so I think that was probably like if Kilmer had gotten it that would have been like a guy approaching middle age more than a pretty cool dude. Like who's like happens to be working at comic book storage trait. This was a really good casting. What if Tom Sizemore initially cast as James Gandolfini, his character wasn't comfortable with the scene that required him to beat up Patricia Arquette asked to play the police Cup instead recommended gained all Fini 'cause they had been in a play together in Phoenix gets his big break. I didn't know that that's an interesting one, four degrees at Tom Sizemore. Yeah. I wanted to your little rift right now, a riff right now about when he goes for the heat, check against an era. The Bank is worth the risk for the action is the juice. Long pause for me is like just stared right out him and he's just like Sizemore is like, this is my cut-away where I act against deniro and he's like, for me, the action is the ice, oh, for Michelman isos for top size Sizemore and he's like, all right, post up the on size versus like I got this cut away long. Dramatic Michelman gave Tom Sizemore as Michael Mann's, Joachim Noah. And Michael mantis Tibbs just keeps giving him shots. He's like, put you out there and give you minutes. The only thing that doesn't make sense about that Sizemore story is that like a year later, he's a Natural Born Killers as like the most disgusting person in the history of time. So. So so the idea that he's not comfortable beating up, Patricia Arquette s- character on camera. And then he plays that fucking. He might evil prison warden detective. I think he might have had some domestic violence stuff in his past maybe. Yeah. I mean, he'd famously made it Heidi Fleiss tons of since he might shoes met, hit too close on the Joey pants award named after Joe Pantoliano to two great ones in here Ed louder Ed lauter is the guy. He was Eddie Albert sidekick in longest yard deployed the quarterback in the team. Yeah, he was the head coach in young blood. He's been in basically one hundred sports movies and he's the ball guy. Yes. Kind of like not as attractive is at Harris and is in those movies in the seventies as always a Lieutenant? Yes. So he's the Lieutenant in this and then the other one is Saul Reuben Ed Cohen that positive. Everyone knows that's all rubik's missile Rubenesque. They just kind of know him from things like, oh, that guy, why the fuck? Did he know your name. You will little piece of. You could forget about acting for the next twenty years here. Fucking career is over treated you like a son art. Talk to you? Yes, I guys not Mandy beat that guy. Yeah. Yes. So I think he wins for this one. Well, kind of Connex. I'll Rubik performance to end also. This is going enjoy pants, not in DO waiters then. Well, he's also eligible. Throw out to more people. Victor Argo is one of Christopher walk ins. Yes. Yeah. And also can shot for l. who's the casting agent who what he's just like, hey, over there like Michael, Michael, Rapaport audition, and thanks so much. Mr. Ritchie will give you a call. It's great. Let's take a break and then we'll get to the most important Dion waiters award. We've ever had. 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Yeah, the real McCoy little underrated tombstone. Taroman credible. Wow, that's incredible tombstone and obviously in tombstone, that's like one of the all-time great supporting performance. Yes, ever his Dakata Gary Oldman as Drexel. The white pimple thinks he's black, Brad. Pitt is Floyd a character. So great at Spahn, Pat pineapple express years later. Christopher Walken playing this Cillian and somehow pulling it off James Gandolfini as the most evil kind of hitman assassin person is hyper count is the waiter. So he's only got two scenes. All right. So I got six then so hopper, and then a surprise entry saw Rubenesque are we not gonna put Pinto in there. I feel like he's in it too much. Kind of has a big. I feel it came in Rappaport or both in this movie and too many scenes God, he's amazing. You want us can show I and then we'll do the award mole. No, I just think like his scenes. He got the script when he was finishing perfect strangers, and he'd been in Beverly Hills cop, right? He's the guy working at the art gallery or is it to sayers sick, brought him back for to bring it. He was so popular in one, they brought him back for to the the roller coaster seen is just incredible like the like, apparently all of them were throwing Oprah high on quite doing that scene because they need to be sedated. The foam that for two days knows like, what is this movie? Like? Scotts. But I just think he's great. I do want to ask a question or wait a second. Can we go backwards of Brunson print show sure. Risky business. He's one of Tom cruises, but is he's really good in that he's cop, one cop, two perfect strangers was just flat out ahead. I mean, that would that was like a very popular show for a long time and then true romance. He's in this thing, not a bad, like eleven year run for Bronson. I think he became a punching bag after the fact, but it kind of unfairly just going to say that. I think he probably didn't have the career he deserved, which is a weird thing to say about Bronson Pinchot. He's pretty good. He's elevator seem to is really rate with Sizemore and pen just being like, you know, he's bluffing and Elliott's. Him and Andrew McCarthy. I think for two people that for some reason became punchbags. Yeah. Andrew McCarthy was the weekend at Bernie's movies and and him and Jonathan Silverman. It was like, fuck those guys. Yeah. Yeah. There was like there was a kind of like light comic actor that could be a star in nineteen eighty nine but not be a star in one thousand nine hundred nine. Yeah. Whatever reason those guys didn't really make it. Can I ask you a walk in question? Yeah. Are the two scenes he's ever done in tarintino movies. The watch speech in Pulp Fiction in this. That's fucking nuts. If we ever do Pulp Fiction on this show, we're going to. He's on the Wenatchee speech. That's like one of my favorite things that ever happened in a movie. It's crazy that walking got to do both of these speeches said, yes, say it's so crazy. So I don't even know what to do with this. I do want to give the shadow to sell ribbon Rueben naming Joel, silver impersonation at the height of Joel silver to cocaine. He's here about veterans. Fucked. Really the winter. I love when he most at least like Oldman bars fucker. You gained Fini pit. All these people have a lot to work with and the parts and then some skin and driving. On the PCH Elliott. Why are you calling me on Sunday? I don't know who you got Chris Ryan. I think this is the first I can't really decide it's something between it's Pitt Rubenesque or or walking for me. I love. I love him, but like Feeney ease in three scenes and he's added control and older. My have the line of the movie is it white boy day is still probably. What boy day? I, it's honestly saw Ruben echina- walk for me because he's never done anything else I need. We need your decision making here, your decision making. All of those other characters have great careers. They all went onto mazing shit. They want Oscars Emmy's. Everything like for Rubenesque the highlight reel starts here also hurting says, didn't know Joel just doing a thing and they're like, yes, you are also probably heard his career character is not written as Joel silver. The characters just written as a producer and Tony, Scott who hated Joe silver. That's really great. And so honestly, it's a lot of credit for the the room neck performance because he molded into it, but holy shit. I just love that character. So funny. Yeah, I guess the the whole conceit behind Dion waiters is somebody comes in and has a heat check, right? And we always do the basketball box score. Now j. Niki go through do the. This is one where Saul Rubin, the eleventh man on the team and shouldn't have been able to score twenty points and seven minutes. We shouldn't even be. We shouldn't even talking about him right now. The other shit going on, which I think is the definition of the waiters when I quit the ringer, will you be like I. Stay million. The best one that you said earlier is that they the bodybags to? I've got more tasted my p just to deliver that. Elliott. This cost me. He's like three hundred fifty, seven thousand dollars. Elliott swear. Someone is stealing. It's really good. All right. Unexpect- Saul Riddick was like twenty to one odds into that category. Gary oldman's in the state of plotting. Glad that he's like drug dealers looking for. Me money for Drexel. People who've thought about this movie less would say Oldman ten at attempt. 'cause Oldman is due on Twitter when you announce everybody was like, it's going to be Floyd or Drexel, it's can be Florida Drexel, and we understand that we accept that, but I still have Ruben. Yeah, watch the movie closely. Ruben is the is the correct winner have fast internet research, Tony, Scott changed the ending because he loved the characters. Originally Clarence died in Alabama, got away with the money, and he just didn't want Clair's today. Do you like the ending. I don't like that. He had shot in the eye. I don't think that it clearance gets made if we're gonna have them live. I want him to have both of his ice Jamaica chat in the shoulder. I think it's fascinating that couldn't turn Tino. Wow. Nd I, it's interesting that that they did shoot both. Apparently. I think there's there is a version of it where he died away. I love Tony, Scott, just liked him too much and just didn't want to go. It's classic Tony. Yeah. So sentimental. I wanna see. Maybe we should make a ringer video montage of all the characters who ended up on the beach playing with their kids at the end of it's is it the same beach in Mexico? That's always just perfect. You just go down there. You bring three hundred thousand dollars this suitcase, and you just able to buy place on the beach to go read talking to Alabama. You know, what? Are they talking about? And Paul Walker injured Dana Brewster from fast seven. This is a quite a community. Would it be. Would it be okay place? It's right, right near the what nail wish. Elvis's the state would not allow the news any of us mood music, like the music in this movie. I would love to talk about it. I love the obviously liked to open the movie with Elvis song. Charlie Sexton scrapes land is a great song that's on that opens the movie and he's basically Charlie Sexton doing Elvis, really awesome song. It's a weird mishmash of music though. Yeah, so many three specially since Tarantino's saw movies are so tightly controlled in terms of the music to have just like randomly a late period Aerosmith song planet. You're just kinda like what the fuck athletes way out of Sega, say, I actually thought the music's of missed opportunity you could that should have been what stage the worst, the more I'm thinking about it. I love you could've you could grab from like the pixies and all these kind of you get one host alternative, punk type band. You get out shined by Soundgarden. Yeah, one song that's like Floyd during would've been listening to add. Yeah. No, that it's in the room and that's happening. Yeah. And I also love. I love the fifty stuff. I love the Hello bay big Bopper thing when he's on the phone. With dick Ritchie and I love the weird Burl Ives song on when Dennis Hopper's walking. That's still feels really Tarantino to me the stuff that is like techno music. Yeah. Drexel listening to techno anyways, kinda weird. Yeah. Yeah, he probably would have, but that techno scene, I think you needed the music for the for the settling vibe, but you're right. There would have been good. Let's let's Drexel's weird. I came from the Dracula prop box, really? That's funny. Gary Oldman said Tony. And I had t at the four seasons and he said, look, I can't really explain the plot, but Drexel's a pimp UIs weight, but thinks he's black. And Gary Oldman said that was all needed to hear. I said, I'll do. Saul. Rubin said I was additioning, Tony said you got him exactly, right. That's Joel. You nailed them. And I said, sorry, I'm confused. Joel. Joel silver. He said, I had no idea who that was. They filmed the hotel drug deal at the abandoned embassador hotel were Rava Kennedy was shot, which is it's near the end of Beverly read as you're about hit. So relate on the one on one by daughter, actually practiced there for half a year Virgil, high school, and I had no idea that the embassador next because now it's a, it's a dog hospital. Oh, it's like a dogs and cats hospital. Did they knew none of this was abandoned renamed like the schools in that neighborhood RFK yet is named after Kennedy? Yeah, this. She also there's like a funny line where in the world history that maxim did, I think we're Sizemore was talking about how they got his death in one take at the beginning of the shootout. So he had to lie on the ground with feathers in his mouth for like, oh yeah, yeah. The director intended to shoot walk. It's part of the scene I walk in, begged him to shoot hopper. I Scott noticed walk in finding his characters. You watch hoppers half of the same play out. That was cool. That's cool. Apparently Warner Brothers was gonna change the title to reckless hearts, terrible in. Arquette Slater, Tony, Scott, basically, through their bodies in front along with Tarantino probably would have killed himself that up in the drug money exchange seen. It was supposed to be at a zoo in the location fell through his how they ended up at six flags. Gandolfini got into character as mob enforcer Virgil by staying at a dingy hotel in not showering. He looks on clean he? Yeah, he didn't change his underwear, I think was the. Last, but not least Slater in our cat seems like there were sparks on and off the set. Yeah, definitely seems like they were having sex. To have it in their way. The guy said, we met with Patricia Christian had a Woody from the first time he saw. Trish fell in love with Christian. He with her, they had Jerome, it's our cat said, romantic magnetized relationship, a sexual track, Tunis Christian Slater. It was love at first, say, work with Patricia was tricky because I was in a relationship. We both made attempts to be professional, but that age it was difficult. The phone with scene is one of the more believable sex scenes in movie history. His tongue never Mathys. Yes. So they go apex mountain. I took out all the people who obviously weren't apex mountain like Brad, Pitt Brubeck airman, proven slammed. There's never been more of an apex mountain candidate in a theater production of on golden pond, doing my best work. Ruben echoes in one of my favorite cable movies and the band played on about the about how they tried to hide aids in the eighties, and he has some great Ruben scenes in that to Rebecca's. Also an all time law and order guy. He's been only. Yeah, I love big winner. This podcast, apex man, Christian Slater. I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna go ahead. Too early. I think it's pump up the volume because he invented podcasting. Good point. All right. None of us picked broken arrow, hard, rain, procures, LA, broken arrow. That's when Travolta that was the real combat. The wheels came off the steering wheel. His started going for Patricia Arquette. She said, some incarnations. She wanted Oscar for boyhood? Yeah. Was. Yeah, I'm going to avoid. She goes on second. No, I'm not. Okay. Not personally. I personally subjectively, I don't. I think it's us personally for me. It's true romance, but career-wise, it's gotta be winning us. Is this category supposed to be personal or. No, I just wanna just agree with you. I have so much of a deeper supposed to be when they were at the peak of their powers in their career, and they had their most options and the most people like what they were doing and the whole thing. What did you do unknown at this time? A lot of bad stuff. She had a rough rough neck. Seven. Eight years? Yeah, Tony, Scott, I unequivocally for me, yes. This is the coming off. You think just over man on fire? Yeah, because he'd had these commercial heads and then it faded in people, we sure Tony Scott's good in boom. And then that leads to crimson tide and the combo those he's never his career was never in better shape than somewhere between true criticize flopped though, I think crimson tide is APEC smile top gun. What are you talking wasn't a flap with critics top guns. One of the biggest movie hits of all time that influence an entire generation and basically launches Tom Cruise. I'm trying to remember. No, I I don't even like top gun. He here's the counter. I never felt like that was a Tony Scott movie when I saw topgun disagree, nobody, you were eight years old. I'm telling you what it was like eight now. Yeah, when it came out respectively was eight. Haro all all his work. Yeah. Yeah. But in the time it was not like, whoa, who directed this? So it was like, well, Tom Cruise is the biggest star in the world. Okay. Tom Cruise was the narrative out of that movie true romance. He was part of the narrative, and I think that that's why I would say mount for, but I see the top gun thing. 'cause top gun was one of the biggest movies of the eighties. I mean, it's definitely not. This is my favorite Toni Scott movie. So that's not a mountain though? No, I know after after about twenty five podcasts, I've realized that that's what he picks out. I don't understand any of the categories. You don't understand apex bone. I. Elusive, it's like the MVP award. That's right. What are we voted? Everybody sees it differently. Can I throw this? Yeah. The most critically acclaimed movie he did out of the added these eight. Is that true somebody that was searching for critical claim but was a commercial success? And now this movie, he kind of had his real chops as director. Gosh, I wonder because he this movie is not that well reviewed. I got it. I guess it is your you said it is? Yeah, no, but the critics like that he'd been right Uber liked it that fucking crank. He's Bronson Pinchot. Cop, one. Couple of massive and he was like one of the breakouts. What's he offer? Eddie Murphy when he comes in the gallery owners spread so linen Sizemore heat, I think a look in the narrow and yet the action is the juice is the database x. mountain carry the top of mountains. Some with says the action. It's. Chris, penn. Doc says, dogs gotta be nice guy. Eddie Walken hell. No. Walk in affects fucking dear. Yeah. Can it make an early nineties, welcome case shirk, SNL hosted. I looked it up. Follow ninety two. That's when he did trivial psychic in stock talk which to the best sketches in the history of the show. Trivial psychic is still like probably one of the seven best catches the history of the show. Then he has this movie ninety three and then pulp and ninety four and somewhere along that whole line, it was like this. Awesome walk. Oh, walk inside. Yeah, wherever everyone was in, I'm Christopher Walken. It was like part ironic apart. He was a really good actor in there was like, that's when like was it was a j Moore, who does the walk imitation, all of it felt like walking had like a real moment there in that three or stretch. But deer hunter has to be the the Russian roulette. Endear ahead, dear today, pick mountain here. My three favorite super weird. Walk in performances guy wants to romance more of a heat, check performance to. King of New York. Oh, yeah. Which is fucking amazing. If you haven't seen king of New York, watch it data. Three is wins will too. I can't overstate how, which, by the way. Romance? Yes, senior. So that's the. That's that night on you're talking about. This live side to that is just the in deer hunter. I actually do believe he's playing Russian roulette. One of the most convenient is ever also in things to do in Denver when you're dead and that nineties period and he's great. Yeah, that's true. Trae. Oh, boo. Shamir McKay Williams for this movie. They all would fit. Yeah, it'd be pick one. I have a definitive choice for this, Michael Kayla, yeah. I easily could have been in the same Jackson. Any of the Drexel scenes? Yeah, totally would have fit in at the could have been. I don't know. I just think he would work in this movie. Could bosomy have been dick Ritchie ads. Interesting. Or a little old or Elliot Blitzer I think I think he's a little old for yet in Elliott. 'cause ninety three though. He looks a little old. The martyr magin dick is like going out for like DiCaprio, Walberg, like those kinds of like he wants to be in that generation. Right? That's that's what he's supposed to be. He's like a little like Coen brothers guy. Microflora they knew. Does only one choice, Bruno Boris the bodyguards they're just going for it the whole time. Yeah, they have three lines, fuck it who I think I think Reuben neck might win this one. I think Reuben aggregating. I, I'm never going to fucking acted replace Ruffalo here the Elliott. Like a son stabbed me in the heart as the new. They knew. What a run for macro over. It sounds so Ruben play Mark. Ruffalo a great fifty, seven. So point. I'm going to be doing a rom com. Rewatch Ables with Amanda. I'm just going to be like. Stabbing. Boris. Congratulations. We can't give it to Rubenesque if we need any word after Borsen, Monte, whatever their Monte picky knits only have three how much money does a movie theater manager have to buy a call girl for an employee's birthday, not inexpensive. I be honest with you. Yeah, not really sure on the economics of call girls in nineteen Ninety-three Alabama's only been a call girl for four days in this movie. So that's my next one. Can I give you quit little tidbit to that movie? Theater is the vista on sunset. How shit really, really. Yeah. Did they do the exteriors Detroit, all the exteriors vista tarintino tells us great story about how they put the Sonny Chiba triple feature up on the mar vista and his movie. Nerd friends would drive by it and they would call him and they'd be like, dude, you're not gonna believe the fighter. Yeah, that's the movie trope of the hookers only been a Hooker for a couple days in by favorite movie devices. I'm a Hooker, but only since last Thursday had to tricks. Yes. Would they really get out of the Beverly embassador at the end of that movie Slater in our cat, not according to turn Tino. There's there's a thousand cops down there too. She's caring them. They're both covered in blood. They're carrying a suitcase that nobody even looks their sideways at them. Best quote don't condescend me man. Now I know I'm pretty ain't is pretty is a couple of titties. He must have thought it was wet for data, eight white boy days it if there's one thing this last week has taught me, it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. I love that son of a bitch was read. She'd tastes like a peach. I like the gun line and I think it's a good senior year book line for the for the kids out there. High school thing, I would use that one. Donna win is not a pimp. I know that Richard, but one famous last is taught me. It's better to have a gun not needed needed, gotten on habit. If there's one thing this last week is taught me, it's better to have a gun and not need it than to need a gun and not have it. Clarence Worley nineteen Ninety-three throw that in your yearbook. Not white boy days. Yeah, that is. I mean that when we said we're doing this, that's what Zach Mak producers immediately emailed us that that might have been. 'cause there's three white boys talking about this movie. There's like one hundred more. I mean, it looks like she fell off the tree and hit every branch on the way down life. I had that what initially, but I don't feel like that movie created that Lang. It may not have my stepfather was saying that in the eighties just to does to him. It was probably the first time I heard it. And then I felt like I heard it for the rest of my like all through high school yell, like that's just one of those things. There's a whole bunch of those though. I mean, I'm not a horrible call girl. There's a difference. You know, there's a whole bunch of stuff that he wrote in this movie that then became kind of in the culture. I dunno down with somebody. I'm a hundred percent. I'm going to save injured percent of minor importance. What is of major fucking importance is that I believe you can. I. Also just physical Qadi on the anti Christ. You got me an event data kind of mood. You tell the angels in heaven. You never seen evil, so singularly personified as you did in the face of the man who killed you. That's pretty good love that man. This boy Clarence was a wild one. I like him. You know, and they're baiter Sizemore is appreciation, Clarence favorite. I liked this boy. This guy. Oh, I also love you. We got here motherfucking Charlie, Bronson. Majestic, too. That's good. Tarantino probably an answer questions. Is it true that their seventeen different things that guy can do any last, give stuff away and that a woman has twenty never heard this before since have you Gould? It's so weird. I Google that nothing really came up other than just as one part and might have Tarantino talk. I had was asked. I don't know. I, I wanna believe it's true. It's one of those things that seventeen at such a weird number to get to. It's like a science question. I don't know of anyone knows Email us at the mail bag at the ringer dot com. For some reason, there's some truth in that. Why wasn't Patricia Arquette a bigger star. Why not? Why didn't happen for? Why did takes alone. What she become relative. She has a very distinctive vibe, it's it's just like holy, her own. It's kinda like that. Her voices vary like specific and unique. Her look as unique, so I can. I can kind of see why she didn't necessarily translate over into being in Julia Roberts movies, but I think it is still sort of sad that she never really got the career going as she was on medium for really long time successful. And she is in a couple of maybe not huge movies, but I think very memorable movies right after this. She was an Ed Wood and chosen flirting with disaster, and she's one of the stars of Bulgaria movies, and those are really good movies that people can still watch. But she does have this weird time choosing lost highway the David Lynch threat, but she never was a big blockbuster, you know, she's never in a movie that you're like, this is the best movie ever in everyone saw it. I'm someone in the spirit of our friend was Morris. They, she got market corrected by drew Barrymore like drew Barrymore's, like in fever pitch and stuff. But as she really like in a ton of movies, the. Arquette was rom. Coms. Yeah. Charlie's angels, mad love. I was love. Patricia. Arquette was cool in a little weird and I never thought that about drew. Yeah, even though drew Barrymore was like conic in her time and the David Letterman and should add things drooped bam. Where was weird we talk about? Yeah, I, that was her appeal in the room calms is that she was kind of weird, but just not weird enough. That guys would wanna dater. She was cute though. You know, there was pure shark had is a little bit more like hard-bitten somehow with Alabama doing right now, working at Bowie hard with red should Mexico ethic. So running serve lar-. Okay, definitely dead. That's a great question. So has been killed at some point. I did Clarence probably died from complications of not having gangrene in his high surgery in green in his. I always I'd like to. I'm sure that this is on some sort of deep deep web Tarantino database about how she hooks up with Harvey tells Reservoir Dogs character at will point. Will initially it was clearance that, so Clarence just goes, yeah, she goes on the run as a professional Bank robber while. Interesting. I have two really good ones for answerable. I'm really excited about both these where exactly the dick Ritchie in Floyd live. I thought I honestly somewhere in beechwood, right? Yes. He says, you gotta go down beechwood which leads me think they're in the hills just basically you keep climbing on beechwood in there somewhere in there. That's right. I think we're beechwood cafe is why were they looks a lot like it looks a lot like the worst feels the Franklin hills like the when we start the ringer video series that I wanted to for two years where we just go to movie locations of movies. We liked. We've gotta figure out where this was the internet. This is the most important question of the movie and maybe of my life Oma gosh, did the Italians kill Floyd. I think they liked him. Get a lot of this guy. No, they didn't. They leave, they leave. They leave leave. You don't know what happens. They leave the first time the second time. They don't leave what Gandolfini comes. He leaves, he leaves right because he tells them he asked the talents if they wanna like have a bowl or whatever, and then cock their guns. But then the it just kinda ends. We don't know if they killed them or not. Have we mentioned Kevin Corrigan playing an Italian gangster? No, Kevin Corrigan when most Irish guys of all time. Yeah, that was weird. I don't think the last line the last I'm Floyd appears in the in the script, the early draft of the script from ninety two, he says, will you go down beechwood? That's his last line. There's no like, and then they kill him or anything. I think he lives. I think he dies probably of lung disease, two years later. Will you, they wouldn't have to kill him right. And that just leaves a trail for them. If they kill him, there's a reason to kill that guy who on the movie here, the choices, Christian Slater, Patricia, Arquette, Tony, Scott, Quentin Tarantino, Tony Chiba would or saw Rubik. Definitely put me on a sunny Chiba. I never heard a Sonny Chiba before this movie. Do you choose the Johnny Chan this. He's a big winner, even really. I don't know. It wasn't a hit. It's gotta be Tarantino, right? Yeah. I mean, I think it kind of just minted him. You were just like, okay, this is going to be something that I watched these these movies for for the next twenty years. I think that that was like it was a sustainability after Reservoir Dogs. Man, I'm trying to think. I mean, it's the Slater thing is where he's almost underrated in this pied his performance like we haven't talked about him very much. He's kind of Christian Slater in every movie. Yeah, I think by this movie it was like, oh, he's Christian Slater. It's funny you were so excited about him as like your Jack Nicholson because that was also the thing that was held against him. I know that he was joining a jagged, Jack, Nicholson impersonation. Yeah, he was genuinely exciting Heather's who was wow, this guy guys going to be one of the most important actors in my life. I think he's a good actor in in his believable in this part, even though there's a case to be made that this movie is about him being schizophrenic, like Chris, underlined, all the the fact that it's all kind of happening in his head. A lot of the time, everything is sort of wishful foam at. It's like the woman is exactly the woman that he would dream up. The scenario is a classic crime fiction scenario of you find a bag of money and you're on the run all the gangsters or are so note. Perfect. It's like, you know, Vincent Kakadu in, you know, everybody likes him. The cops like him. Saul Reuben likes him. You know, they all kind of connect with him, which is. Just highly unlikely, he's a loser. We're gonna come store, right? I think Tarantino meds because it proves Reservoir Dogs wasn't just as weird, indie fluke that really wasn't that huge movie. Anyway, at the time, it established a narrative led to Pulp Fiction. It's belatedly great. It feels very Tarantino ish. Probably the most personal movies Claire. And I, I would say if you're guaranteed, no, the dream for this movie is that it didn't do that well and then became really beloved, which is kind of what that's in his house. Really of this of this whole thing is what if what, if only Scott Reservoir Dogs and Tarantino done to romance? I wonder what changes. Tony, Scott was runner up choice. This movie really needed him. I'm not positive. It works in the wrong hands, and I think especially the game, no Phoenix kissing in the wrong hands. If the tone of the movie is off really goes bad. It works in Tarantino's Hansa. Now's the director NAT in nineteen ninety three. I don't think so. I don't think he would have known how to direct he may or may not have done it as long as Tony Scott did it in terms of like how long seen plays, but it would have been closer to like the way that the you're cutting seen in Reservoir Dogs shot, I think. And he also famously not on the set of this movie. Yeah, isn't that right? Yeah, he was not. He was not present for the shooting which is obviously common for screenwriters, but he was such a big deal at the time. You know that being said, Pulp Fiction, full-blown masterpiece, he's pretty much starts making it three months after this comes out. So it said, ninety percent blown masterpiece is fifteen minutes in there that need to come out. So are you still fucking twisting us about the girlfriend? No one every Email like three emails from three loser burner accounts that you invent and then you're like, yeah, hey, everybody agrees about this character. No, it's hundred percent. It's like sports guy. Two thousand two is tweeting at you being Twitter poll to settle it once for Bill Djilas to fucking pot. Let's do the Pulp Fiction. Don't send me anymore tweets from at Silva, man. That's all I'm sill Bitam shady. Three hundred is like, that's good Bill. I know. I know. Bruce was go friend submarines that movie. Okay. Bill, you know what? I'm going to say. If you ruin Pulp Fiction for me. Remember you're my number one boy. That's it for two romance. Great stuff. What a great movie day. It's on Amazon, it's on YouTube. It is unfortunately not streaming in your else and not really on cable, get on it stars Showtime over year. Yeah. Now it is kind of faded off. It's a movie that could never be shown on TNT so really has to be the HBO Cinemax Showtime point. How about epochs? Where are you in this whole thing? Epochsc shit together. Stop showing creed so much. You're going to be back. Reaction to Craig one more episode of the rewatch Ables and then we're done with this twenty episode run. 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