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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"Going to guess probably a year and a half to two years ago, maybe. And it was shut down. No, it was still operating when we bought it. And but it didn't look not even on the scale. It looks like today. It was just needed to updated, like say we owned a peach shop next door. So actually, my following law said, you know what, Claude and he said, 20 days, he said, yeah, I just buy that bowling alley too. And I was like, yeah, you lost your mind too. You know, so well, next thing you know, we come up for sale. So we bought it. And then we bought it, we shut the doors. And did a big remodel. I mean, we got it all turned down to the bear concrete. That's what was left. This is my first time to mcconnellsville, Ohio. It's a cute town of about 1700 people built on the banks of the Muskegon river in the southeast part of the state. Mcconnellsville is also where most of the 26 men indicted in operation red bud lived. If you've lived in small town America, there are certain people that stand out. They're woven into the fabric of the community and make it thrive. Their leaders, well respected, their contributors, and functional pillars of the community. We've just heard the voice of Claude Maxwell. There was ten lanes of bowling here, so we tore three out, so you know, as you see, I would get the dart board. Pole table over there. You can't say it from here, but big kitchen. So there's a restaurant here. Yes. It's very nice restaurant back here also. So back here, there's two virtual gulf base, which will be I'm sure a big hit. So McConnell's bill is not a big town. So this is going to be like a hub for people to come to or like a real social. I'm hoping it's going to be a big fit for the mcconnells build people and I know there's a lot of people excited about it because you know there's nothing really here for the kids to do. Claude is 60 years old and wears fashionable dark frame glasses. He drives the late model Chevy Silverado pickup. The back seats are folded up and the floorboard is full of dewalt tools and construction supplies. When I open the passenger door, he scrambles to clear away work gloves and cabinet hardware still in the packaging. It's clear that Claude has worked hard for everything that he's got. And it's evident he and his family are these kind of standout people. The bowling alley in the pizza place called Maxwell's pizza are side by side overlooking the river. The pizza place has a rooftop dining area that's been voted as one of the top ten best rooftops in Ohio. Both of these businesses are being spearheaded by Claude's son Cass, a really sharp and kind fella in his early 30s. Cass was just four years old on Sunday, June 16th, 1996. He thought there must have been an early morning party at their house when all the vehicles rushed into their driveway. Not to be outdone by her older brother, Claude's daughter, Adrian, started a cafe in downtown mcconnellsville called the Bluebird cafe. And I kid you not. They served me the best breakfast I've eaten in the last 5 years. The place has top notch. It's become overwhelmingly clear to me that these Maxwell's have something special. And I haven't even told you that Claude runs a sporting goods store called Maxwell's hunting supplies. So we're in McConnell's Bill. He's introducing me to a man that we've met on the sidewalk. So this is the guy that is the podcast. So we just got done. Did you hear about that that we did a podcast on that? Yeah. My boys, North Carolina is going to totally go. How is that right? Down there and he said, yeah, they're not like this just happened. Rod is literally the first person we've met on the street as we walk towards Claude's hunting store. After a slightly awkward moment, I realized that I might not be the most popular man in mcconnellsville. Not everybody was pumped about some outsider talking about operation redbud without hearing the full story. But I went ahead and asked Ron appointed question. Yeah, so who do you know Claude Maxwell to be inside this community? He's a great businessman now. What they've done in this community is outstanding. I mean, with the blue bow and the bowling alley and the rooftop, you know, pizza shop. I mean, it's just terrific what he's done. I'm proud the whole family. They're all good workers. So I mean, he's like a pillar in this community. Would that be right? Well, I hate to say that. He really is. The whole family needs to be commended for what they've done here. Yeah, I appreciate it too. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to walk up to you on the street, just shove a mic in your face. The mcconnellsville tour continues. We're now in Maxwell's hunting supplies. So we're walking in Maxwell's hunting and fishing supplies store. You call me Gary, but I know. The store is tidy and packed wall to wall and floor to ceiling with archery targets, dear blondes, and bottles of dough estrus. Behind the counter is a wall full of guns of all kinds. The middle of the store has hunting clothing and a bow rack. And in the back of the store, you couldn't fit another jig or crank bait on the shelves. We sell, Matthews, hoyt, and the late. And then of course, you know, ravencroft bows. Several different crossbow companies we handle. Big selection of fish and equipment. Yes, and we can walk one back through here, but yeah, give me the full tour, man. What I'm about to tell you won't make sense unless you've listened to our secret agent man series. We worked hard in the podcast to hide the identity of the man that we called target number two. This was the guy that RT Stewart became very close with. The guy RT so badly wanted to tell that he was an undercover agent because he liked him so much. Well, Claude Maxwell is target number two of operation red butt. If you recall through the undercover work of RT and his partner, they brought charges against 26 men, and these guys were convicted of over 275 wildlife violations. But when you do the math, Claude Maxwell received exactly 26% of those violations. He pleaded guilty to 74. When I first heard about RT Stewart and his undercover work, I was interested in highlighting the work done by the wildlife law enforcement of this country. The freedoms that we have as hunters carry a high price tag and part of the cost is making sure that the law is followed. RT's openness gave us insight into a hidden layer of law enforcement seldom seen. The world of undercover work. His stories were fascinating, and he was very good at what he did. However, what never occurred to me. What never crossed my mind is how these stories intersected the lives of those that he chased. I never expected to talk to target number two. To be honest with you, it was almost like he didn't exist. But oh, he does. And he's not who I thought he would be. Here's Claude Maxwell. Well,
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"This episode came at me as a surprise. Kind of a shocker. It wasn't planned, but after a string of emails and the flurry of phone calls, the first week of December, I found myself on a plane headed to southeast Ohio. Our secret agent man series ended a few weeks ago. And on that series, we heard about the illustrious and wild career of undercover wildlife agent RT Stewart in Ohio. He told us about operation red butt, which in the 1990s was the largest turkey poaching sting in U.S. history. You've heard about that a ton. But I learned something about telling old stories. They don't always end where you think they do. Stories continue. And they always have more than one side. That's all I can say for now. But I really doubt you're going to want to miss this one. June 16th, 1996. A lot of good day. Yeah. It was almost like unbelievable. My
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"Here's chip. Again, an RT is undercover. And I've been wanting to do a story on just the undercover. Itself, not be real specific, but just that we have an undercover unit and so forth. At the time, I was the editor of the divisional wildlife magazine. It's called wild Ohio. It was a quarterly publication, so I could pretty much put in there what I wanted to. And I thought, well, it's time to do a story on the other undercover unit. And I went to the law enforcement supervisors, and I said, is it okay to do this? Because I knew it was very sensitive. And they said, yeah, I just don't be real specific. And I said, I won't. So we did a story about that. The issue comes out, and one of the bad guys gets a copy that RT's working with. Yeah, gets a copy of the story. He gets the magazine at the time, the magazine was free. All he had to do was sign up and it went out by the tens of thousands across Ohio. So the next time RT meets with him, here he comes with the magazine and says, look at this, the division of wildlife has undercover officers. And there again, I put unknowingly, I put RT on the spot, and he's got to somehow work his way out of that because they're suspecting, you know, is this one of the guys? Is this one of the officers? So inadvertently, I put him in a crack. And I didn't know that till years later. RT wasn't happy about chip's article. But later, chip would write a tell all book about everything RT ever did. I guess everything is about timing. I want to go back to something that RT touched on in the beginning. Something actually very serious. It's when he said he didn't want to go back to his real life. And as we go into this section, I want to highlight and commend the vulnerability of RT as he talks freely. I'd call it humility and being well grounded. This might sound ironic, but RT isn't trying to portray himself as something that he isn't. At least not anymore. You said something earlier too about there was a time when you didn't want to go back. When you come home, you got kids. You got beetles. You got responsibilities. Who wants that? I've lived, I was living another life, an outlaw, a rush constantly, doing things, and then when you come home, you know, you go down. Stress goes down. You're adrenaline goes down. Then your face with a reality. Kids need this. The kids need to add, you know, got to pay this bill. It's past due. The house needs this. I'm going back where I have to worry about this stuff. So I didn't like reality. Is that something that you regret? Yeah, there was a lot of things that looking back on it. I regret, but now I look back in and going, that was stupid. I was too engrossed in my job. I didn't play at it. I was it. I never went to children's events. If I did go to was home and went to a ball game or something, I always said on the opposite side because you never know who's going to see I never went to a graduation. Never went to none of that because he never know who can food coming in to see some guy graduate or grandson or their niece or nephew and this never did. I never participated in that. I'd look back and miss it. Yeah, I'm mister lot of things growing up with my children, but today we have a great relationship. They understood it. They understand it, and I think they're proud of their day. Yeah. That's really good to hear RT say that. It's a touch of that bare grease redemption that we all want. Here's RT now getting down to the heart of it all. You talk about stress. It's unbearable. It's unbelievable. How do you tell a lie on a lie detector's test? It's a measured by the level of stress. Your whole life is a lie. So you talk about stress, but when you're young and dumb, you don't even think about it, but it's stressed. Do you think they had a long-term effects on you? That's why I had to retire. Yeah. Health issue, ghost dress. Was it worth it? You're too good. No. No. It wasn't. Now I look back at it. If I had to do it over again and I knew what I knew right now, I'd say no. But at a time, it's the only thing I knew and the only thing I wanted to do. Yeah. I, you know, I'm proud of what I did. I'm proud of what I've done. And I have no regrets in that regard. But would I do it over again? Would I do some things different with my family? Yeah. Yeah. It takes some guts to say that it wasn't worth it. And I respect the honesty of that. I think many people might have found a way to lie to themselves about the choices they'd made. However, he's proud of the work that he did, and that's a complex place to stand. RT is complex. There's one thing I can guarantee you. It's that if you met RT in a grocery store, you might be tempted to judge his book simply by its cover. But I'm here to tell you that this man was a brilliant, undercover agent, and a master of understanding the nuance of the peculiar version of humanity that lives in the rural regions of Appalachia. He dedicated himself to his craft and his work ethic pushed him to be the best, and there's some nobility inside of that. He left it all on the court. I want to ask RT one more thing. Here's my synopsis of undercover and you tell me what you think about this. Is that you're being asked to do something that is incredibly unnatural and goes against everything that should be the fabric of a human that keeps them together, which ultimately is the truth and authenticity and you are being paid in have to and by choice. I mean, the way I made you do this and for the good of society, it's such a complex space because for the good of society, you were serving our communities by doing this, but also at a human level at the RT Stuart level, you were doing something that was really unnatural, which is completely living a lie and making it seem like the truth. And it just feels like that would have a tendency to like tear somebody apart. You're good at what you do. You. Because you're asking some questions it's rarely been asked, but you're absolutely right. It is something hard to deal with, and I think that's why I decided I didn't want to come home. I didn't have to deal with it. I could just deal with one side of my life, and that was the bad side. They were just saying, and I have it out there hanging out there is one of my real close friends who is an undercover agent. I gave it to me, and it says the eagle and the wolf. Have you ever heard this? The egg on the wolf. The wolf is a loner. He does this. He does all the bad things. Or an eagle is a source high in the air, stands for good. And all the good parts. They want a wolf. And the bottom question is, who am I? And the answer is the one I feed. And that there's a lot of truth to that. Who am I? Well, at that particular time, I was the wolf. I lived, did it. But yet knowing at some point in my life I would be that eagle. I'm a bit at a loss for words. This is usually part of the podcast where I wrap everything up that's been said in a nice little bow and we're all happy. But I think I'll just let what RT said sink in. I
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"Time, undercover operations are relatively new. Humans have only been doing this for a couple thousand years. When people started grouping up in cities, forming governments, plant and wheat, and having political interest. That's when they started employing deceit to infiltrate tight knit groups to gain information that couldn't be gotten without guile. I think we could say with some degree of certainty that if a false man befriended you, hang with me, you could trust him. He may have ill intent for you, but you'd see it coming. If he approached you and wanted your meat, your land or your woman, he'd just fight you outright. I hope you know that I'm joking, but my main point is that the complexity of society has increased exponentially since our hunter gatherer days. However, human nature remains the same. And I'm also not saying that undercover work is bad. It's just really interesting that for the greater good of society, we hire men to act like they're bad. I wanted to get some details from RT about these close relationships that he built with criminals. I'm making a mental checklist of all the plays at real friendship Brent Reeves has made at me. Do you have friends that you now suspect or undercover agents? Do they wear overalls have suspicious beards and dark rim glasses? There is one time when you said that you felt like you were going to ask to be a pallbearer at some guys funeral, like a man's that was my life. So that was one of them. There was another one. I think where you were at Thanksgiving dinner with these people, and can you tell me some of those stories? Well, yeah, I'm over referred. Because he's the only one far wrong concern gets a respect to my respect. I can tell if somebody is stuff. He had a very, very loving wife, and he had two children that were very young at the time, and he loved the early. The children they kind of liked me and I always bring him candy in different things. And I found out another thing is if you keep the wife happy of one of the outlaws, you're in. If you don't keep her happy, you're out. That's a fact. That's a life tip, right? That's a life tip. Not even poachers. Nodding poacher, but if you keep the light wife happy and she likes you, you're good. She was very nice and she would call me up and ask me what, for example, she'd call me up and say birthday coming up or Christmas coming up. What can I get in for Christmas? What can I get for a birthday? You know, things of that nature I'm thinking only. And the kids call with uncle, you know, things like that. I mean, we were just that close. Knowing what to come down, eventually. That was a hard hard time to deal with that. You were going to Thanksgiving dinners with these people. I never went to Christmas, but I invite me to Thanksgiving dinner and things of that nature. Not go. Because I portrayed not have a family. And if I did have a family, they were far off. I was basically the loner, didn't have nothing, didn't have nobody, and they felt sorry for me in that sense. That's when it come to holidays and things, you know. So you'd sit there and play on your lap, sit there in the house with them, talk, you know, just like we're doing today. Yeah. Friends. Friends, Friends. Good friends. And you could fake that though. Yeah. Does that scramble your insides? With him it did, knowing I had to deal with that demon of knowing that I wanted to destroy his life. But yet I've become that close to him. Very interesting and kind of spooky. Today, undercover agents are better equipped to understand the potential hazards of going deep undercover. But back then, they were just shooting from the hip. But keeping in mind our supervisors nor myself had any experience in this. We were, you know, we didn't have any problems. You were pioneering this. We were behind this part of the country. Divisional wildlife undercover. That's correct. So, you know, we had nothing. He looked back at it now, you think, yeah, yeah, I was too close, but my boss didn't realize it, nor did I realize it. And we hadn't met the number one guy yet, who was after. So that was the project that took me 11 months to meet him. So I had a whole year 11 months to hang out with Claude. We drank together. I helped him move to put more drywall in his house. We did everything together. Not a lot of traveled one hunt trips together. I guess people would just after some period of time, you were so deep undercover that they would, it just wouldn't even enter their minds that you were undercover. Right. Like if some guy showed up at their camp and was like, hey, I want to go hunting with you. You know, kind of bright eyed and bushy tail. They might be like, wait a minute. But helping them paying drywall and being that close to them, like they didn't have a clue. I don't think they had a clue. And they were telling you everything they were showing you everything. You were video in this doing everything. You were doing it with them. And then I keep going back to the kind of the brilliance of who and I just met you, but you know, you don't come across as a shiny wildlife officer undercover guy. I mean, I am shocked in a poll. No. I am shocked in hold. You've hurt my feet. What do you mean? Not as shiny and polished. Game word. You've hurt my feelings. Well, the only other game order in Ohio that I know is named chip gross. Oh, well, look at this now. Oh, now you're talking, you're top shell. Hello. Shiny and polished. He wouldn't have fit in with those guys. I absolutely picked him. Yeah, yeah. So chip gross is set in here with us right now. Remember chip gross is the author of the book about RT. Poachers were my prey. You can buy it on Amazon, and he's retired Ohio game board and maintains a close friendship with his old buddy RT. While we're giving chip a hard time, he wants almost got RT into some serious trouble.
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"RT. To be able to do what you did undercover. You're living a lie. I mean, before these people, you're living a lie, it almost feels like you would have to be a good actor. I don't know if that's the would be the best descriptor. That is a perfect description. Did it ever bother you to be so deep in with these guys? I mean, living complete deception. Like their perception of you was absolutely 100% false and you had fabricated that with them, gained their real trust because they're in the real world. Correct. And you control their future. These were these were human beings that at some level may have been parts of their life that you respected. I don't know. I'm putting words in your mouth. No, no, no, you're right. Sometimes even maybe likeable people. They were. But did it bother you ever to be that deceptive inside of people's world? Only one time, one time. The rest of the people I had, they were bad people. I wouldn't be around those individuals. One for my job. I despise some of those individuals. But I had to act like I loved. However, there was one individual, and it was operation redbud, and his name was. And he was, I liked that feller. And the only difference between him and me was I was on one side of the fence, and he was on the other. We were best friends. And I felt bad. There was many times that I would drive home thinking I need to tell him. Really? You thought about breaking your cover because you liked this guy so much. That's how beat bottles. When I felt that I was really forgetting who I really was. I was forgetting that I was forgetting that I was, I was here for the, for the good, but yet I felt that much attached to that filler that I felt like I needed warning. RT never acted on his desire to warn the suspect. And you guys may remember our genuine outlaw series. The title was a play on words. The guys we talked about were really genuine outlaws. And they were also genuine people, revered by many in the community. If you're new to bear grease and miss that series, you should go check it out. It's one of the most intriguing stories we've ever told. RT brought up a very interesting point about identity. He said he was forgetting who he was, and he was finding himself endeared to the criminal. The person he was trying to catch. However, doctor Sharpe says that that's not uncommon for undercover agents. I want you to describe it here is extremely common about half of undercover people do start not necessarily to identify with the target targets or individuals who are in the target population. But they start to feel sympathetic to them. They start to become friends with them. It makes an awful lot of sense. That's interesting. Half of undercover agents find themselves endeared in some way to the people they're chasing. It's really hard for a human to be all business in override human nature. I want to prod a little harder on RT about identity. And he has something to say. You said that there was a point in your career when you kind of lost your identity. Talk to me about that. You're so deep undercover. Your living, you have your own house. You have your own account. You can't leave bob Thomas. Correct. I remember in the book there was a time when you said you were like thinking a thought and you thought that you were bob Thomas. And it kind of scared you. Yeah, I told you. That was with redbud. My second project, and I was deep. I hadn't been home in ages, and I was deep. And we were in a state of West Virginia and hunting trip. Nobody had any clue where I didn't even know where I was at. My boss had no clue. And I'm living in this shack here with these guys. I think it's four of them. Been in about four or 5 days already staying in the same house. And I really had no fear that they knew who I was. I mean, I was just that confident that they had no idea who I was. On F one particular evening, there was I was out by myself. A video and narrating to myself, you know, in this video. I had two videos, video cameras, and I had one for my own personal use. That I thought I'd used maybe down the road and then I had one that worked with. But on this particular one, I was talking about being hunting with so and so and move here in West Virginia somewhere on this beautiful mountain on the sunset and signing off. Bob Thomas. Any who are you? I am, I am the cover here, man. You know, talking to myself and for some reason, that just hit me right in the face. You know, I guess that was the first time I really alone by myself. Talk to myself and call myself that. You know, and I went, man, I'm living here with these guys. You know, they ain't got no idea who I am. And I ain't even sure who I am anymore. Even if you've never consciously thought about your identity from a philosophical position, it doesn't matter. As humans we spend our lives crafting identity and are deeply vested in others perceiving us in the way that we view ourselves. The very definition of instability is not knowing who you are. I've always been very interested in identity. The very nature of this work puts a human in a very odd spot. I had a question for doctor Sharpe's. So would you say that undercover work is a relatively new experience for humans or have people been doing this for generations like where they become a chameleon becomes something different to fit in with a certain group to get something back. And in this case, we're trying to get justice, Law & Order, but is this, I mean, it feels like this is a human experiment and a sense and people are doing stuff that they really weren't designed to do. Am I not thinking about that right? It's very interesting. If you go back into the hundred gatherer world, probably not. But I mean, if you look at the Old Testament, you've got spies entering the cities there. Now we have World War I of Sydney Riley and Mata Hari and the American Civil War yet a number of agents male and female in the Revolutionary War agents. So a lot of undercover work has been going for a long time, but this is a very old thing. And the stresses are very old too.
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"Way. Then we had a little modern day equipment, you know, where I didn't have to get out and turn switches on. I could do them by a little switch here, but my wow. And I had videos in the front. I had videos in the front seat, I have videos coming out the side, videos going out the back, not controlled all that but what was your story for why I got like you would have a van like that? Well, there you go again, you have to have a good covert unit. Like a brand new van especially. Well, I worked in a coal mine and I had been covered up, injured, which I had been. And I was on compensation and made a habit and gotten a major big settlement. Big settlement. So now is that true? Absolutely. I'll even have it. Yeah, I'm confused with the reality. And but here's what we do. We had my balls. He knew of an agency that the friend that he is that was an actual conversation lawyer. So he approached him, and he would draw up. He had a fall foul. And he would send me letters in the mail of how much my claim and everything, you know, what was what it was and how much money I was getting and thinking of that nature. Wow. I'll leave them paperwork laying around. In my house. Or on the day, sure wherever. And we found by reviewing videotape later that when I was not present with these guys, they had read it. Wow. Yeah, yeah, if you got somebody in the cab of your truck or van and you go in the gas station and there's some personal letter there. They pick it up. And it validates your story. Absolutely. Absolutely. Deep cover, man. Deep cover. So that's how I proved that I had a lot of money to be able to afford. And that accepted it. Deep cover. Everything had to have a story and to clarify RT was covered up in the coal mine in real life. Coal spilled all over him and he was injured. But the lie was that he didn't actually get a big settlement. So he was covered up, but he didn't get a settlement. In his real life. In his undercover life, he was covered up and got a settlement and got money. What about checking in with your supervisors and stuff? I mean, would you go months without talking to him? Well, no, he'd get kind of upset if I did. Okay. My boss here's a real name is Dan Schneider. He's working a turkey case. I hadn't checked in with him. I had a phone at the house and had a recorder on it. And the deal was that he never called, if you like call and leave a message, you'd never say anything about anything. It would take code or something. For example, we had a special bank account and they'd put money in my bank and care when he'd call up his Larry, I won't give you, I'll give you $916 not though in 32 cents for that damn dome. That's how I knew how much money he's putting in my bank. So your supervisor would call about buying a dog and leave you a message. So if somebody if I'm in a restroom or outside nim guys are in the house and he calls and leaves a message, you know, they never caught onto it. Yeah. Now I hadn't talked to and talked in the day any quite a while. And he was getting a little concerned. I come home from hunting one day. We'd been turkey hunting. I played the message, and he gave us that. Calling in, checking on you see I'd be in a talk team wild his head and talk to you, I thought maybe he might give me calls when we talk about hunting in the future here or something like that. And he said, oh, by the way, this is balkar. This is the boss. He was letting me know he would let me know. He's the ball. You better call. I better call. So that's what his nickname would even to this back. A lot of people associated with us for the basketball team. The boss gobbler. I like it. Born in the Midwest raised in the south black buffaloes everything you love about dip without the tobacco leaf. Some of the guys on the meat eater crew are using black buffalo and have been happy with the results compared to other tobacco, all alternatives. To speak to it from a personal perspective, here is meat eaters, property, and equipment manager, Austin, who goes by Chile, fresh out of the Marine Corps. I love it because coming from the military, I was just ripping darts. Like it was cool. And then as I'm getting older, kind of wearing on me. Gotcha. So, and then Hayden introduced me to black buffalo and yeah, I love it. I'm having one right now. I like the black buffalo, mint pouches. So I go for it. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the four time award winning products are everything consumers love about dip without the tobacco leaf black buffaloes probably made in America and is one of Inc 5000s fastest growing companies in America. If you're over 21 years old and currently use nicotine or tobacco consider trying black buffalo, the only credible tobacco alternative that dips like the real thing. There's two ways to buy black buffalo. One on their website, black buffalo dot com. Use promo code meat eater when you're there and you save 20% on your first order or check out their store locator and buy at one of the thousands of convenience stores in the U.S., warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical black buffalo strictly antennae for 21 plus current consumers of comparable products underage sales prohibited may not be available in some states. Hey, it's Steve from the meat eater podcast. If you're thinking about getting a dedicated rig for hunting and fishing adventures, I'll give it some serious consideration to the can am defender series. So that's what I have. I have a four door with a bed on the back. This thing has changed the way we do a lot of stuff we do. For instance, every year we go down to hunt and sonora Mexico. And we're always down there with like personal vehicles or Reynolds. It's rugged country. It's hard to get around in. You want to spend massive amounts of time trying to get places blown out tires, you're on roads that you can't fit down with a regular truck. It just kind of disasters. This year, we pulled down my can am. For hunting coos deer in January, down in sonora right across the U.S. border. Dude, it changed everything. We even like, we had a great year and had one of the better years we've ever had. We're sort of like, why was this year so good? Honestly, I was sitting there talking to each other. We're like, a big part was having the can am down there because we could get everywhere we wanted to go. We could zip around quick. 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Bear Grease
"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"Multiple operations. Yeah. This is an old shield event at the time. Yeah, what your model and make was. Oh my, this was probably a 68 or 69. So it was an old back then. And then that was the first one was, but then we graduated a little bit, probably got about a 70 something auto mid 7. Maybe an 80 85 model. Okay. But then when we done a full-time under car operation, Kevin asked me who it was my supervisor he said. Time to get a vehicle, what would your favorite vehicle be? Four wheel drive van. Next thing I know, I had a brain new jacked up four wheel drive lane. No way. Then we had a little modern day equipment, you know, where I didn't have to get out and turn switches on. I could do them by a little switch here, but my wow. And I had videos in the front. I had videos in the front seat, I have videos coming out the side, videos going out the back, not controlled all that but what was your story for why I got like you would have a van like that? Well, there you go again, you have to have a good covert unit. Like a brand new van especially. Well, I worked in a coal mine and I had been covered up, injured, which I had been. And I was on compensation and made a habit and gotten a major big settlement. Big settlement. So now is that true? Absolutely. I'll even have it. Yeah, I'm confused with the reality. And but here's what we do. We had my balls. He knew of an agency that the friend that he is that was an actual conversation lawyer. So he approached him, and he would draw up. He had a fall foul. And he would send me letters in the mail of how much my claim and everything, you know, what was what it was and how much money I was getting and thinking of that nature. Wow. I'll leave them paperwork laying around. In my house. Or on the day, sure wherever. And we found by reviewing videotape later that when I was not present with these guys, they had read it. Wow. Yeah, yeah, if you got somebody in the cab of your truck or van and you go in the gas station and there's some personal letter there. They pick it up. And it validates your story. Absolutely. Absolutely. Deep cover, man. Deep cover. So that's how I proved that I had a lot of money to be able to afford. And that accepted it. Deep cover. Everything had to have a story and to clarify RT was covered up in the coal mine in real life. Coal spilled all over him and he was injured. But the lie was that he didn't actually get a big settlement. So he was covered up, but he didn't get a settlement. In his real life. In his undercover life, he was covered up and got a settlement and got money. What about checking in with your supervisors and stuff? I mean, would you go months without talking to him? Well, no, he'd get kind of upset if I did. Okay. My boss here's a real name is Dan Schneider. He's working a turkey case. I hadn't checked in with him. I had a phone at the house and had a recorder on it. And the deal was that he never called, if you like call and leave a message, you'd never say anything about anything. It would take code or something. For example, we had a special bank account and they'd put money in my bank and care when he'd call up his Larry, I won't give you, I'll give you $916 not though in 32 cents for that damn dome. That's how I knew how much money he's putting in my bank. So your supervisor would call about buying a dog and leave you a message. So if somebody if I'm in a restroom or outside nim guys are in the house and he calls and leaves a message, you know, they never caught onto it. Yeah. Now I hadn't talked to and talked in the day any quite a while. And he was getting a little concerned. I come home from hunting one day. We'd been turkey hunting. I played the message, and he gave us that. Calling in, checking on you see I'd be in a talk team wild his head and talk to you, I thought maybe he might give me calls when we talk about hunting in the future here or something like that. And he said, oh, by the way, this is balkar. This is the boss. He was letting me know he would let me know. He's the ball. You better call. I better call. So that's what his nickname would even to this back. A lot of people associated with us for the basketball team. The boss gobbler. I like it. Born in the Midwest raised in the south black buffaloes everything you love about dip without the tobacco leaf. Some of the guys on the meat eater crew are using black buffalo and have been happy with the results compared to other tobacco, all alternatives. To speak to it from a personal perspective, here is meat eaters, property, and equipment manager, Austin, who goes by Chile, fresh out of the Marine Corps. I love it because coming from the military, I was just ripping darts. Like it was cool. And then as I'm getting older, kind of wearing on me. Gotcha. So, and then Hayden introduced me to black buffalo and yeah, I love it. I'm having one right now. I like the black buffalo, mint pouches. So I go for it. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the four time award winning products are everything consumers love about dip without the tobacco leaf black buffaloes probably made in America and is one of Inc 5000s fastest growing companies in America. If you're over 21 years old and currently use nicotine or tobacco consider trying black buffalo, the only credible tobacco alternative that dips like the real thing. There's two ways to buy black buffalo. One on their website, black buffalo dot com. Use promo code meat eater when you're there and you save 20% on your first order or check out their store locator and buy at one of the thousands of convenience stores in the U.S., warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical black buffalo strictly antennae for 21 plus current consumers of comparable products underage sales prohibited may not be available in some states. Hey, it's Steve from the meat eater podcast. If you're thinking about getting a dedicated rig for hunting and fishing adventures, I'll give it some serious consideration to the can am defender series. So that's what I have. I have a four door with a bed on the back. This thing has changed the way we do a lot of stuff we do. For instance, every year we go down to hunt and sonora Mexico. And we're always down there with like personal vehicles or Reynolds. It's rugged country. It's hard to get around in. You want to spend massive amounts of time trying to get places blown out tires, you're on roads that you can't fit down with a regular truck. It just kind of disasters. This year, we pulled down my can am. For hunting coos deer in January, down in sonora right across the U.S. border. Dude, it changed everything. We even like, we had a great year and had one of the better years we've ever had. We're sort of like, why was this year so good? Honestly, I was sitting there talking to each other. We're like, a big part was having the can am down there because we could get everywhere we wanted to go. We could zip around quick. Everybody piles in and you just got to your hotspots quick and you could get there to where you're going to start walking in a hurry and with a lot of confidence and not worrying about fitting, not worrying about getting around, obstructions, climbing over stuff where I was dealing with creaks that wash out the roads. Before you'd be like, oh, not going any further here. We just be able to stare down the road. Climb down, throw a few rocks from, I don't climb up. It was phenomenal here. And then turn around. Use it all winter ice fishing. You know, we fish on a lot of stuff, you could drive your regular pickup out on the ice. These things are lighter. You're kind of more in tune, you know? You roll down the window, you can sort of read the ice better. I pull my little ice fish and trailer behind it. It's just easy to get in and out of dealing with kids and stuff. It's a great tool. I didn't realize how much I would love and use. Can am. Till I got one. Head on over to can am off road. Dot com to learn more and check out their full line of products. So you can get your own high quality lot of fun dedicated hunting fishing rig to.
Bear Grease
"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"That was the first one was, but then we graduated a little bit, probably got about a 70 something auto mid 7. Maybe an 80 85 model. Okay. But then when we done a full-time under car operation, Kevin asked me who it was my supervisor he said. Time to get a vehicle, what would your favorite vehicle be? Four wheel drive van. Next thing I know, I had a brain new jacked up four wheel drive lane. No way. Then we had a little modern day equipment, you know, where I didn't have to get out and turn switches on. I could do them by a little switch here, but my wow. And I had videos in the front. I had videos in the front seat, I have videos coming out the side, videos going out the back, not controlled all that but what was your story for why I got like you would have a van like that? Well, there you go again, you have to have a good covert unit. Like a brand new van especially. Well, I worked in a coal mine and I had been covered up, injured, which I had been. And I was on compensation and made a habit and gotten a major big settlement. Big settlement. So now is that true? Absolutely. I'll even have it. Yeah, I'm confused with the reality. And but here's what we do. We had my balls. He knew of an agency that the friend that he is that was an actual conversation lawyer. So he approached him, and he would draw up. He had a fall foul. And he would send me letters in the mail of how much my claim and everything, you know, what was what it was and how much money I was getting and thinking of that nature. Wow. I'll leave them paperwork laying around. In my house. Or on the day, sure wherever. And we found by reviewing videotape later that when I was not present with these guys, they had read it. Wow. Yeah, yeah, if you got somebody in the cab of your truck or van and you go in the gas station and there's some personal letter there. They pick it up. And it validates your story. Absolutely. Absolutely. Deep cover, man. Deep cover. So that's how I proved that I had a lot of money to be able to afford. And that accepted it. Deep cover. Everything had to have a story and to clarify RT was covered up in the coal mine in real life. Coal spilled all over him and he was injured. But the lie was that he didn't actually get a big settlement. So he was covered up, but he didn't get a settlement. In his real life. In his undercover life, he was covered up and got a settlement and got money. What about checking in with your supervisors and stuff? I mean, would you go months without talking to him? Well, no, he'd get kind of upset if I did. Okay. My boss here's a real name is Dan Schneider. He's working a turkey case. I hadn't checked in with him. I had a phone at the house and had a recorder on it. And the deal was that he never called, if you like call and leave a message, you'd never say anything about anything. It would take code or something. For example, we had a special bank account and they'd put money in my bank and care when he'd call up his Larry, I won't give you, I'll give you $916 not though in 32 cents for that damn dome. That's how I knew how much money he's putting in my bank. So your supervisor would call about buying a dog and leave you a message. So if somebody if I'm in a restroom or outside nim guys are in the house and he calls and leaves a message, you know, they never caught onto it. Yeah. Now I hadn't talked to and talked in the day any quite a while. And he was getting a little concerned. I come home from hunting one day. We'd been turkey hunting. I played the message, and he gave us that. Calling in, checking on you see I'd be in a talk team wild his head and talk to you, I thought maybe he might give me calls when we talk about hunting in the future here or something like that. And he said, oh, by the way, this is balkar. This is the boss. He was letting me know he would let me know. He's the ball. You better call. I better call. So that's what his nickname would even to this back. A lot of people associated with us for the basketball team. The boss gobbler. I like it. Born in the Midwest raised in the south black buffaloes everything you love about dip without the tobacco leaf. Some of the guys on the meat eater crew are using black buffalo and have been happy with the results compared to other tobacco, all alternatives. To speak to it from a personal perspective, here is meat eaters, property, and equipment manager, Austin, who goes by Chile, fresh out of the Marine Corps. I love it because coming from the military, I was just ripping darts. Like it was cool. And then as I'm getting older, kind of wearing on me. Gotcha. So, and then Hayden introduced me to black buffalo and yeah, I love it. I'm having one right now. I like the black buffalo, mint pouches. So I go for it. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the four time award winning products are everything consumers love about dip without the tobacco leaf black buffaloes probably made in America and is one of Inc 5000s fastest growing companies in America. If you're over 21 years old and currently use nicotine or tobacco consider trying black buffalo, the only credible tobacco alternative that dips like the real thing. There's two ways to buy black buffalo. One on their website, black buffalo dot com. Use promo code meat eater when you're there and you save 20% on your first order or check out their store locator and buy at one of the thousands of convenience stores in the U.S., warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical black buffalo strictly antennae for 21 plus current consumers of comparable products underage sales prohibited may not be available in some states. Hey, it's Steve from the meat eater podcast. If you're thinking about getting a dedicated rig for hunting and fishing adventures, I'll give it some serious consideration to the can am defender series. So that's what I have. I have a four door with a bed on the back. This thing has changed the way we do a lot of stuff we do. For instance, every year we go down to hunt and sonora Mexico. And we're always down there with like personal vehicles or Reynolds. It's rugged country. It's hard to get around in. You want to spend massive amounts of time trying to get places blown out tires, you're on roads that you can't fit down with a regular truck. It just kind of disasters. This year, we pulled down my can am. For hunting coos deer in January, down in sonora right across the U.S. border. Dude, it changed everything. We even like, we had a great year and had one of the better years we've ever had. We're sort of like, why was this year so good? Honestly, I was sitting there talking to each other. We're like, a big part was having the can am down there because we could get everywhere we wanted to go. We could zip around quick. Everybody piles in and you just got to your hotspots quick and you could get there to where you're going to start walking in a hurry and with a lot of confidence and not worrying about fitting, not worrying about getting around, obstructions, climbing over stuff where I was dealing with creaks that wash out the roads. Before you'd be like, oh, not going any further here. We just be able to stare down the road. Climb down, throw a few rocks from, I don't climb up. It was phenomenal here. And then turn around. Use it all winter ice fishing. You know, we fish on a lot of stuff, you could drive your regular pickup out on the ice. These things are lighter. You're kind of more in tune, you know? You roll down the window, you can sort of read the ice better. I pull my little ice fish and trailer behind it. It's just easy to get in and out of dealing with kids and stuff. It's a great tool. I didn't realize how much I would love and use. Can am. Till I got one. Head on over to can am off road. Dot com to learn more and check out their full line of products. So you can get your own high quality lot of fun dedicated hunting fishing rig to.
Bear Grease
"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"It was my supervisor he said. Time to get a vehicle, what would your favorite vehicle be? Four wheel drive van. Next thing I know, I had a brain new jacked up four wheel drive lane. No way. Then we had a little modern day equipment, you know, where I didn't have to get out and turn switches on. I could do them by a little switch here, but my wow. And I had videos in the front. I had videos in the front seat, I have videos coming out the side, videos going out the back, not controlled all that but what was your story for why I got like you would have a van like that? Well, there you go again, you have to have a good covert unit. Like a brand new van especially. Well, I worked in a coal mine and I had been covered up, injured, which I had been. And I was on compensation and made a habit and gotten a major big settlement. Big settlement. So now is that true? Absolutely. I'll even have it. Yeah, I'm confused with the reality. And but here's what we do. We had my balls. He knew of an agency that the friend that he is that was an actual conversation lawyer. So he approached him, and he would draw up. He had a fall foul. And he would send me letters in the mail of how much my claim and everything, you know, what was what it was and how much money I was getting and thinking of that nature. Wow. I'll leave them paperwork laying around. In my house. Or on the day, sure wherever. And we found by reviewing videotape later that when I was not present with these guys, they had read it. Wow. Yeah, yeah, if you got somebody in the cab of your truck or van and you go in the gas station and there's some personal letter there. They pick it up. And it validates your story. Absolutely. Absolutely. Deep cover, man. Deep cover. So that's how I proved that I had a lot of money to be able to afford. And that accepted it. Deep cover. Everything had to have a story and to clarify RT was covered up in the coal mine in real life. Coal spilled all over him and he was injured. But the lie was that he didn't actually get a big settlement. So he was covered up, but he didn't get a settlement. In his real life. In his undercover life, he was covered up and got a settlement and got money. What about checking in with your supervisors and stuff? I mean, would you go months without talking to him? Well, no, he'd get kind of upset if I did. Okay. My boss here's a real name is Dan Schneider. He's working a turkey case. I hadn't checked in with him. I had a phone at the house and had a recorder on it. And the deal was that he never called, if you like call and leave a message, you'd never say anything about anything. It would take code or something. For example, we had a special bank account and they'd put money in my bank and care when he'd call up his Larry, I won't give you, I'll give you $916 not though in 32 cents for that damn dome. That's how I knew how much money he's putting in my bank. So your supervisor would call about buying a dog and leave you a message. So if somebody if I'm in a restroom or outside nim guys are in the house and he calls and leaves a message, you know, they never caught onto it. Yeah. Now I hadn't talked to and talked in the day any quite a while. And he was getting a little concerned. I come home from hunting one day. We'd been turkey hunting. I played the message, and he gave us that. Calling in, checking on you see I'd be in a talk team wild his head and talk to you, I thought maybe he might give me calls when we talk about hunting in the future here or something like that. And he said, oh, by the way, this is balkar. This is the boss. He was letting me know he would let me know. He's the ball. You better call. I better call. So that's what his nickname would even to this back. A lot of people associated with us for the basketball team. The boss gobbler. I like it. Born in the Midwest raised in the south black buffaloes everything you love about dip without the tobacco leaf. Some of the guys on the meat eater crew are using black buffalo and have been happy with the results compared to other tobacco, all alternatives. To speak to it from a personal perspective, here is meat eaters, property, and equipment manager, Austin, who goes by Chile, fresh out of the Marine Corps. I love it because coming from the military, I was just ripping darts. Like it was cool. And then as I'm getting older, kind of wearing on me. Gotcha. So, and then Hayden introduced me to black buffalo and yeah, I love it. I'm having one right now. I like the black buffalo, mint pouches. So I go for it. There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, the four time award winning products are everything consumers love about dip without the tobacco leaf black buffaloes probably made in America and is one of Inc 5000s fastest growing companies in America. If you're over 21 years old and currently use nicotine or tobacco consider trying black buffalo, the only credible tobacco alternative that dips like the real thing. There's two ways to buy black buffalo. One on their website, black buffalo dot com. Use promo code meat eater when you're there and you save 20% on your first order or check out their store locator and buy at one of the thousands of convenience stores in the U.S., warning this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical black buffalo strictly antennae for 21 plus current consumers of comparable products underage sales prohibited may not be available in some states. Hey, it's Steve from the meat eater podcast. If you're thinking about getting a dedicated rig for hunting and fishing adventures, I'll give it some serious consideration to the can am defender series. So that's what I have. I have a four door with a bed on the back. This thing has changed the way we do a lot of stuff we do. For instance, every year we go down to hunt and sonora Mexico. And we're always down there with like personal vehicles or Reynolds. It's rugged country. It's hard to get around in. You want to spend massive amounts of time trying to get places blown out tires, you're on roads that you can't fit down with a regular truck. It just kind of disasters. This year, we pulled down my can am. For hunting coos deer in January, down in sonora right across the U.S. border. Dude, it changed everything. We even like, we had a great year and had one of the better years we've ever had. We're sort of like, why was this year so good? Honestly, I was sitting there talking to each other. We're like, a big part was having the can am down there because we could get everywhere we wanted to go. We could zip around quick. Everybody piles in and you just got to your hotspots quick and you could get there to where you're going to start walking in a hurry and with a lot of confidence and not worrying about fitting, not worrying about getting around, obstructions, climbing over stuff where I was dealing with creaks that wash out the roads. Before you'd be like, oh, not going any further here. We just be able to stare down the road. Climb down, throw a few rocks from, I don't climb up. It was phenomenal here. And then turn around. Use it all winter ice fishing. You know, we fish on a lot of stuff, you could drive your regular pickup out on the ice. These things are lighter. You're kind of more in tune, you know? You roll down the window, you can sort of read the ice better. I pull my little ice fish and trailer behind it. It's just easy to get in and out of dealing with kids and stuff. It's a great tool. I didn't realize how much I would love and use. Can am. Till I got one. Head on over to can am off road. Dot com to learn more and check out their full line of products. So you can get your own high quality lot of fun dedicated hunting fishing rig to.
Bear Grease
"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"No one. You just kind of ride it out, which is, you know, how far do you go, you know, how far do you write it out, you know? Finally, I got to a point to where and I was not in a town that I was working. So I finally asked for a supervisor and so I come back here and I locked up the back of the truck. When they thought I stole the truck. Okay. But when they finally done a search on it, I could hear it come back over the radio. The natural resources. What if I sit in here with a bad guy in the back of the car with me? So it was a good experience that happened with no bad guy with me. I told him to make a phone call and he made a phone call and finally got a hold of him. I found this out later. He said, we got a guy here claims to be one of yours. Pretty ruffler. They said, give me names. Yep, he's mine. That's our team. That's mine. He's mine. He's one of our good ones. I'll claim. Let you out of jail. Through that, you learned that you needed, I need to really deep cover everywhere. Everywhere. So what they did for men on. When they purchased a new vehicle, when that truck come from the factory, it went to our undercover name. RT was pioneering undercover work in Ohio. This just hadn't been done to this scale here, and they were learning a lot. The hard way. I keep going back to the isolation of this top of work. Who do you call when you get arrested while working undercover? The answer is no one. I think we take for granted the social networks we have and probably wouldn't realize how important they are until they're gone. Our social networks give stability to our lives and their absence and deep undercover work, adds to the chronic stress. And hey, speaking of vehicles, I want to ask bob Thomas about his specialty hunting rig. You had on several operations, you had a custom van. That was decked out with video recording equipment and this is back in the 90s. So it wasn't like we got cameras on the phones today. We didn't even have cell phones. Yeah. Well, on my very first operation, we were out spotlighting and shooting deer and having a great time and all of a sudden the red light starts flashing, you know? And off we go, the car cakes, you know? I'm not driving. Without the gun out the wind and the gun goes off. This is when you're undercover with a poacher. Game more than comes after you. Well, we didn't know we never knew we never did find out who it was because they never called us. I don't know who it was a game warden sheriff's department or a local farmer. Don't know who it was. We took off and this guy was going a hundred miles an hour on these roads. I mean, I don't think a hundred mount ever, but it's dangerous. And that scared me. That scared me. You're out of control. I was out of control. So therefore I decided I need to drive. I can control the situation. Yeah. And how can you control the situation if you just got to pick up truck with a cab? You didn't have all you had with a single cab. So if you got a party at a bar and you got four or 5 guys participating in that bar, you know, you know, get together, whatever it is. And all you got to pick up truck and hold free people. It breaks the party up. So I come up with the idea of a van. I thought, all right. You know, everybody can participate. And I'm driving. Oh man. That was just that instinct of just knowing what you needed to do. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and how do you keep the party going? But if you can take everybody. I'm driving, I got a van. Everybody can go. Let's go. Wait, we went. Yeah. Did your van have a name? Did you call it anything? Poked Coke. The boat. Now did you say that? Man, I bet you were their number one guy. Oh, they love me. Everybody knows that to fit in, you gotta have the right ride. Think about the boldness of name and your undercover rig, the poach coach. That's almost as bold as Brett Reeves cover being that he used to work undercover. In RT's book, he tells the details of countless poaching incidents where he was involved in the killing of illegal deer in turkey. The deer were primarily killed while spotlighting or Jack lighting if you live in the land of the ice fisherman. Surprisingly, he never had to poach a deer to keep his cover. He was the driver, so it was hard for him to be the shooter too. However, he would randomly show up with a fresh killed set of buck antlers. Turkey fans and beards that were supplied to him by the Ohio DNR that he'd show off to the poachers with a made up story of how he'd snagged one the night before when they couldn't go. On a separate note, Brett Reeves is constantly showing me coon hearts. Claiming his tree and walker treat him. But I find that odd because we all know that tree and walkers don't tree real coons. With the van, they agreed that I wouldn't drink. If we're poaching, I don't drink. Can I tell them? You know, the boys are saying, I don't mind getting caught for shooting a deer, but I don't need no DWI. I said, so if we're gonna poach, I'm not gonna drink it while we're driving. While we're poached, you were their favorite guy, man. And you're the designated driver? Absolutely. I put them all up there on that pedestal. It was important for RTs and the public safety that there weren't drunk drivers cruising around in the name of covert government operations. And not surprisingly, most of the poaching rings involved alcohol and many even illegal drugs. And that poacher pedestal was also very important too. Almost as important as video surveillance equipment. Then we decided, well, we need a van which we got a van and then we need to figure out a way to record this stuff, you know? So there was a an agency, they called it the madhouse and it was very, it was very secluded. All they did was, I think they worked under the attorney high attorney general's office and all they did was install video equipment. In vehicles. Houses vehicles, whatever. Oh, this is a government agency that did this. They hooked us up with a great big old VCR boxes. You know, the VCR tape. One of those things. You don't. Yeah. So yeah, we built a spatial box to put it in the back there, but you had to get out and go around and plug it all in, run off a D.C., you know, and had to plug it all in and only rain about two hours. So you had to be, you know, know what you're doing. And sometimes you drop the poacher top, pick up a deer while you do you go down the road. Jump out real quick, change tapes, you know, and then we had an infrared light in over the sun visor, how do you hide it? We just did hit it by being out in the open. It was all infrared of the lights, but it was designed like a confederate flag. Home run top sun virus. So in pitch black, the guy shooting out the front seat, you know, he's lit up. So the camera's picked him up, so he wow. And I'd have guys mentioned to me about that. You know, what is it? I tell us to worry about handicapped son that passed away. He was into electronics and he made that for me. Don't work, but just
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I want to get back to the nitty Gritty mechanics of undercover work. And what's a bit mind twisting is that the key to living a lie is telling the truth. The best undercover agents and I think any of them will tell you this that's been deep under cover. You got to stick to the truth. He tell lies, but you don't tell them in a sense. You may, you may have done something, you may just alter the time frame, or you just order the name, but you stick to the truth of reality what you have experienced and you never go wrong, because you don't have to remember. And so as an big overview, so you've embedded yourself, you have your personal story. And then you're trying to infiltrate these groups of people or specific person in you need them to take you hunting. Correct. And you need them to talk about what they've done. Correct. But did you find that these guys wanted to talk once you got the credibility? Usually there was a group when I say a group, it might be, you know, one or two guys to a half a dozen guys that was tight knit. Once you got the credibility of some of those lower members of that ring, that helped get you to the top band. Really, so you would usually infiltrate by meeting some of the lower tier guys. Correct. Really, and they would bring you to the leader. It took me a moment to I was working. It took me 11 months to meet the number one guy. Really? Yeah. But were they protective of him? Was he elusive? He was a Lucifer. He just didn't expose himself to many people. No, just two or three people. Isn't that common to mankind? What you're describing there to me is like the social hierarchy of just the way that we operate. That is correct. There's people that have their spheres and they're kind of the leader and they have these young, maybe younger, maybe guys that are lower than them on the Internet and that guy top guys kind of guarded in some way. Well, there you go. There you go. The power. There he's the top man, but he called those shots, you know. And that's the way it works. And legitimate social structures. That's correct. And not just with poachers with any of us. Racing, racing, sports, all kind of things, it all matches the same criteria. So you would infiltrate the groups by being so convincing and being the real deal. And then you would need to be hunting with go hunting with these guys. It would take you as long as 11 months, to even meet your target guy. And then you'd go hunting with them, you'd go drinking with them, you'd go to their family events. I mean, like all of them. Everything you've just been, you know, you try to find good Intel and you find out where these guys like to hang out, eat and then you try to embed yourself into those locations. Sometimes you'll meet some guys. You know, so and so, yeah, I know so. And next thing you know, you're with us lower guy that knows this guy and then if you can do some things or convince him that you are an outlaw and then you do a few things with him, then ask you building your credibility. So then the web keeps getting bigger, but yet the circle keeps getting smaller. It took me 11 months to meet this guy and after a minute, one week and hunt with him. You were in. So they're vulnerable once you get up to the top. Yes. Yes, because I feel that they feel that you have met the credibility of everybody and you've been around for a year. You know, and everybody else is vouching for you. Just like a good hunter, putting in the time and having patience is very valuable. And RT understood human nature. He was good with people and had a natural instinct for how to gain trust. In some ways, it's kind of scary how good he was. I'm actually beginning to wonder if any of my Friends are real. And I've said it from the beginning. I suspect Brett Reeves is a double undercover agent. Sent in to bust me. What a great cover to say I used to work undercover. What they're after I don't know and who they are, I don't know. I don't know who they is. They are, who they were. I don't know who sent Brit reads what I'm trying to say. I don't know. But it's typical of the mountain people to be suspicious of flatlanders. Anyway, back to the nitty Gritty with RT and keep your eye on Brent Reeves. You had a legitimate new name, new documentation. So what was the name that you used? Well, I had two of them. First one was bob Thomas. In the second one was Bill stuntz. Was there any strategy in those like bob Thomas sounds like such a generic name? No. Okay. Did you make you just made it up? I just made it up. Okay. I guess that would probably like, man, no way undercover agent would be bob Thomas. All right, right, right, right. So you had ID. That's another thing that we did not know at the time, but I got in trouble, got rested, going to all go take me to jail because I got captured speeding in a school zone one time. Going 30 miles an hour and a 20 mile run and I didn't have the proper identification. So you're working undercover. I had a driver's license, but that's all I had. You know, which was easy to acquire with a driver's license. And you couldn't tell this officer who you were. Absolutely no. You just took it in the face. Yeah, it come back naughty and foul, when they run the license plates, not in foul, mean can mean a lot of things. So you went to jail for that? Yeah, yeah. Well, that and a lot of other things. We'll have to stick with that. Okay. Okay. And they thought of caring drug, you know, I was pretty rough looking in a town that I shouldn't have been in, I had a drone truck that said farm you throw on it and I was in a high dollar high dollar town and looked like scum. But you were working on her cover. Oh, I was working undercover. Sometimes legitimate what you were doing. And so this guy was like, man, I just got me a dandy. Well, it was a female and I never had good luck with females when they ran the whole, so I didn't have good luck with her either anyhow. You got out of jail. I got out, but it took me. Who did you call? I keep going down these rabbit trails where they're just too interesting. Who do you call when you're an undercover agent and you've been arrested? No one.
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"To reality. I get to point, I didn't want to come home. This is where things get interesting and taken unexpected turn. What I appreciate most about RT is how open he is about his struggles. It's pretty rare to find a person willing to be as honest about himself as RT. At the time, there wasn't much known about the psychological effects of living a double life, but it turns out RT's experience of having difficulty going back and forth between reality and his undercover work is a common issue. Doctor Matthews sharps wrote a book called processing under pressure, stress, memory, and decision making in law enforcement. He's worked a lot with undercover agents, but it's an under researched area. I want to see what he says about this. We now know that brain cells, if a brain cell is active, when other brain cells are talking to it, these synapses, the connections tend to be strengthened. So if you're in the field for a long time, pretending to be a mafia pretending to be a drug dealer, what have you. If you're going to stows in this habit pattern, start to become a relatively automatic in you, okay? So when you go back home to your spouse, your family. Lots of times undercover people, will emerge back into the word emerge back into their undercover persona, and they don't know they're doing it. This is usually problematic an awful lot of our life is dealing in terms of automated behaviors. It's possible to be so deep undercover for so long that the functional mechanisms of our identity begin to become scrambled. And when you think about it, it's really an odd place for a human to occupy. Normal human existence is based on us functioning honestly in a state of reality, but people who work deep undercover have to live a life, which as it turns out, exerts an extreme amount of chronic stress on the body that we weren't designed for. If you think about our ancient ancestors, they were hunters, and hunting presents tremendous acute stress, especially if you're doing it with a spear or a spear as a magazine capacity of one. So that's pretty damn stressful. But it's two or three days of a persistence hunt or the 5 minutes of jumping up and taking out a deer or back in the day at Ira shell. Cute. Now we had to be able to deal with acute stress because if you couldn't, you couldn't survive long enough to reproduce. But chronic stress, the second socratic chronic stress don't kill you until you're in middle age or for them was old age. And so we don't seem to have a good way of dealing with chronic stress. It gets us. One thing is that when you're under stress, you're in the human fight or flight response. And that ups your blood pressure, it ups your heart rate at up your breathing rate all the stuff is wearing on the body. It also produces aside from those three major chemicals involved, aldosterone, which is to do a salt balance, cortisol that gives you more energy, but it also has a erosive quality on some structures. There is research that indicates that cortisol can have some corrosive agency on a structure in the brain called the hippocampus where you actually process your memories. But then you have adrenaline, and that's what it puts your body into this higher state of being. It's just very, very expensive. And because you're using all of these really all of this high stress stuff, you tend to shut down the systems you don't need. Humans weren't designed for chronic or constant stress. Were equipped for short term stress, and it all goes back to our hunter gatherer roots. It's easy to listen to RT's stories and feel the excitement and James Bond style and intrigue of undercover work. But all things come with a cost and it certainly did for RT. 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"College and become a game warden. Now 30 years old when I went to college. You've just learned what are the keys to RT's success in living a life of an undercover agent. He worked in a coal mine in a steel mill for over a decade. He'd lived a real life of a rural Appalachian man, which you can't fake. RT is a coon hunter, a cat fisherman, a skilled deer in turkey hunter and a trapper. And by the way, southeast Ohio is considered Appalachia. And as a surprise to me, it's even considered the south by those that live there. An RT has never iced fished a day in his life. So it passes Steve renal is test. RT was hired by the Ohio DNR when he was 35 years old as a uniformed game warden. The sign me to union county, which was I didn't know where you count it was. 'cause I'd never been much out of this area. That was west of Columbus, which, to me, that was the city, and the first thing it could have done was in a hillbilly with a badge of sending to the city. Well, so I went up there and they put me in uniform and I was up there for about a year and a half. I was in uniform. And then I was always intrigued. God worked with Friends of mine that was undercover agents with liquor control, and I was always intrigued about that, you know? RT told us supervisors that if there was ever any need for undercover work, that he'd be interested in the job. He had no training, but he had reason to think that he'd be good at it. Turns out he was right. Keep in mind, I was 35 when I went to work as a wildlife officer. I grew up in hunting and fishing. All my childhood life and all my early adult life. If it flew, swam or walked, I had been involved in it. So with my background in that and I wasn't always an angel. As a matter of fact, they tried to catch me for 5 years and couldn't. That's why they hard me. Is that right? So I just felt I had the knowledge in the background that I know how outlaws worked. I just felt that I could do a better job of catching people, not saying it, I didn't have a good career while I was in uniform. I did, I just felt I could catch people that was more detrimental to the population than the wildlife. And I could get in uniform. I've already rough around the edges. You're right. You're dangerous as an undercover officer. I was feared. Did you have the kind of confidence that when you set out on a target target acquisition, it was like, man, that's a good question. Whatever it takes to get this guy. Yeah. I had the confidence. I felt I had the ability. I felt I had to know how, and I was a pretty good actor. I hunted men for a living. That's how I looked at it. I went from hunting animals to me. When I capture them, that was my trophy on the wall. RT has the right to be confident and call it like it is. Because later, he'll reveal some of his mistakes. It takes a special person to be successful undercover. And as we're beginning to see, RT's background set him up to be as good and undercover agent as was ever made. And as a matter of fact, he never worked a case where he didn't get his target suspect. That's incredible. If you're an outlaw, you wouldn't want RT Stuart after you. But like a Black Panther creeping up on you in the night, you wouldn't even know it was RT. I think with my background, I could talk the language that poachers and outlaws could understand. I knew what they were thinking, I guess. I knew what they were after. I could talk that and they knew that I wasn't fake. When I talked about it, and I was always good at reading people, I think, has always good at reading people. I always felt that I had a good humor side to me. I made people like people like me. Yeah. And I also discovered early on that if you put this outlaw, put them on a pedestal, that's what they liked. They didn't want competition, but they wanted to be put on a pedestal. They wanted a steam from you or anyone. Would that be like a number one descriptor of what you see that's congruent throughout the poachers. They all just want to be they want to be put up on that pedestal. They want to be the number one person in their peers eyes. They want to be the great white hunter. The motivations of outlaws are really quite primitive to human nature. They're looking for social esteem. And for whatever reason, they can't get that inside the boundaries of the law, so they've got to cheat to get it. I want to understand what goes into an undercover operation. In RT's book, I was amazed at the links he would go to to infiltrate these poaching rings. On these undercover operations, you would embed yourself completely inside of these communities. Correct. I've heard of operations where an undercover guy would live at his normal house with his wife and drive two hours and show up at a gas station. That's playing game board. That's plain undercooked. Playing under. Okay, so tell me. That's playing. So tell me what you had to do. I took my I took it very serious. I took it extremely serious. I would go there and I felt the only way to catch these people, you got to be part of. You got to be with them. So I'd go over there and find a plate and find a place to rent but you wouldn't have a target suspect. Suspect, we'd already have a target list, I'll say, you know, complaints on individuals and from an order county, the agents put together and give us a packet. Need to look at these guys and see what's going on. So that's what we do. So we would go in and rent a place. In the surrounding area, we didn't want them too close, but we didn't want it too far away either. You know, we didn't want it close enough where just walked down the street and walking in any time. But we wanted to. But we wanted to close enough to make it a little effort for him to come visit. Yeah, I remember you saying that you didn't want to live across the street from a poacher because he might show up at a time when you're not needing. On the phone with your boss, or but far enough away that he'd have to go out of his way to come see you, but you're still in the community. Correct. That's exactly right. Why? Didn't nobody tell me that. You know, didn't have a didn't have a book to go by. I think it was just instinct. Instinct. So that's what we do is we're in a place like that. And my shortest project, I think it was like 14 months or 12 months, and so you would live there for years. Four years. Four years, four years. Would you go back home? I would try to come home, but it got to point where I did not want to come home. I
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"Man you secret. But there is an underground layer of crime that is very difficult for a person in uniform to stop. And that's where another layer of guile or cutting action of the good guys kicks in. At some point in history, the undercover agent arose. And while you are courage, mister. Soviet trench. I admire your luck. Mister. Bond. James Bond. Mister Bond, I suppose you wouldn't care to raise the limit. I have no objections. Thank you not to get me. The idea of a world famous secret agent like James Bond is kind of ludicrous. Typical of Hollywood, they glamorize stuff that often isn't glamorous at all. Doctor Matthew sharps is a Professor of psychology at California state university in Fresno. He studied undercover agents for a long time. Here's what he has to say about old James Bond. James Bond, there is a Sean Connery back in the day, but the one I like anyway. And there he is, where in his life tuxedo in a casino, right? And he's like, fort stalling everybody else and get two beautiful women on each army, et cetera. And everybody else wearing jeans and a T-shirt, he's in his tuxedo, right? He's a world famous secret agent. There's a little song, the second best secret agent in the whole wide world. But he's a world famous degree. Well, I want to ask an actual spy and undercover man who spends his life deliberately being as nondescript as possible. What would happen to James Bond in real life? He didn't even have his need to be dead in 5 minutes. You can't be a world famous secret agent. There's no future in it. But you'd like that recognition and the gliders and services outside police work. It must be very, very difficult because you may get metals where you don't even get to take them home. And there you are with your veterans of this and that service, you can't talk about it. Those stresses have not really been addressed, but they are a big problem. There's no future in being a world famous secret agent. That's funny. Understanding the psychology of undercover agents is a brand new field. I guess studying it is an indicator that we're in advanced society. Our needs are met to the point we now have resources to study the people hired as law enforcement that we've commissioned to act as criminals and break the law in order to catch the real criminals. When you start thinking about it, it's a complex space. And I'm not sure if that means our society is advanced. Maybe it's regressing. Undercover work is a necessary evil, one that we're all thankful for whether we realize it or not. And it lies in an odd philosophical and ethical spot. It takes a special breed of person to do this and we're learning it often comes at a high cost to the individual, but a net gain for society. It's rare that we get a glimpse into the real life of an undercover agent. In 2012, the Kent State university press published a book written by chip gross titled poachers where my prey. The book is the real life story of this undercover agent RT Stuart. It's a tell all book and it's publishing came with its own share of controversy, but in it RT tells about his top ten covert operations. Busting the rough again outlaws of southeast Ohio and West Virginia. Here's author chip gross introducing us to RT. It just seems like some people in this world are perfectly matched for the jobs they do in our T store is definitely one of those people. But first of all, he's a very skilled woodsman. He knows how to hunt. He knows how to fish. She knows how to trap. When the bad guys see that, that is a positive in their mind. Okay, this guy is for real. And he's very congenial. He could get the bad guys to like him and trust him very, very quickly. Sometimes with just within a few days, he just got that back about him. He's a very likeable person. Like, what does it take for a person to have that to be able to do that? I'm not sure because I don't have it. And I don't think a lot of people do, but RT does, he's a real chameleon in that he can adjust to a lot of different situations. As he talked about, he can relate to the kind of scumbag poachers or he can go to Lake Erie and deal with Marina owners up there and charter boat captains that are running boats worth tens of thousands of dollars and still slide in and become a member of that group. So I think it's a lot of it is kind of a natural ability, a natural skill, and he's very, very good at what he does. He can think on his feet very, very quickly. He mentions in the book that in every undercover operation that he was on the poachers at one point or another accused him or ask him if he was an undercover wildlife officer. You know, because they've always got that in the back of their mind. We know we're doing bad stuff. Who's this new guy? And they're looking at him is this the, is this our worst nightmare that we don't know about yet? And he was able to talk his way out of it every single time. And when I ask him how he did it, he said, I don't know. He said it's something I prepared for, but I knew I was going to get the question, but every time it came up, I had to work around it a different way. RT Stewart is now in his 60s, and he's been retired from Ohio DNR for over a decade. I don't know how to say this without just saying it. When you're medium, he doesn't have the vibe of a career law enforcement man. He's got a pen full of bluetick coonhounds, and he's got duck boat stuffed under every shed on his place. And his southeast Ohio drawl is surprisingly thick, but that's exactly why he was one of the best undercover agents in Ohio DNR history. Today is hair is trimmed tight, and it looks like he hasn't shaved in a couple of days. But at one time, he looked like guitarist from ZZ-Top. Here's RT. I guess it was a kid I used to watch all these and, you know, and I always liked I always liked the idea of a ranger or a game worker or something of that nature. So you grew up hunting and fishing. Absolutely grew up hunting aficion. My dad was a major he ruined a gun shop for 40 years and so how did you become a Game Boy and what age were you and what was your career progression? Living in a small town and got married and I ended up working in a coal mine. You got kids, you got to make a living. You know, that wasn't that wasn't my dream, obviously, but you got to make a living, and that's how and around here, being uneducated. And so I went to work in a coal mine, and then I left there and went to steel mills and got laid off in 1981. And I was 29 or 30, and when I got laid off, I first time there laid off my life. I remember telling them people that I was going to
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
"Hey, it's Steve from the meat eater podcast. If you spend a lot of time knocking around the Woods, all the mountains, Friends, ranches, whatever. It's a lot of fun and very practical to get a dedicated rig. I have a can am defender. I use all the time and love that thing. We go down every year in January to hunt coos deer, took it down to sonora Mexico. I mean, it completely changed the experience another time. I had an oryx tag. Not on the white sands missile range, but off the off range tag outside the white sands missile range. I did it just because of circumstances we used a buddy's truck, then my buddy drew the same tag right after me. And I said, dude, take my can am down. I've made a huge mistake by not figuring out a way to get down there. He took it down. Our friends at around both hunts were like, that is the way to go. It was the perfect rig. I used to trap him in the winter. I use an ice fishing. If you're thinking about getting like a dedicated side by side, rig. Go with the can am. I like the defender. I got young kids. I got a four door and it's still got a bed. I think it's just a lot of fun. Head on over to can am off road dot com to learn more. Check out their full line of products. You can go in and like figure out, okay, this is the rig I want. I got a winch on mine. I use the winds 'cause we snow plot with it, right? Can am off road dot com. A hundred men for a living. That's how I looked at it. I went from hunting animals to me and when I capture them, that was my trophy on the wall. On this episode of the bear grease podcast, we're going deep undercover in the rough country of southeast Ohio to learn about the secret lives of wildlife poachers and the life of an undercover wildlife agent by the name of RT Stewart. He worked 18 years for the Ohio department of natural resources. He was one of the lead agents on the largest turkey poaching sting in U.S. history. He's a decorated law enforcement officer known for going deep undercover even years at a time and willing to do whatever it took to bust the outlaws. And in his career, he never had a single one of his targets suspects not be convicted of crimes. If the bad guys had known him, they'd have feared him. But they didn't, because he was a ghost. We'll hear from author chip gross, who wrote a book about RT and will interview doctor Matthew sharps of California state university about the psychology of undercover agents and the personal cost that comes with living alive. In the first episode of this series, yep, I said series, we'll meet RT and he'll show us the life of an undercover agent. And on part two we'll talk about his biggest job. You're gonna laugh, be intrigued, and you're gonna cry. I really doubt you're gonna wanna miss this one. Your whole life is lie. So you talk about stress, but when you're young and dumb, you don't even
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"rt stewart" Discussed on Bear Grease
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