35 Burst results for "Rowing"
The Eric Metaxas Show
Steve Deace Talks Sean Patrick Flanery's Performance in "Nefarious"
"Talking to Steve days about the film coming out April 14th. It's called, I almost said it again. It's called nefarious, not notorious starring Ingmar Bergman. No, no. That's a different film. Nefarious. Which the acting and a lot of it is really extraordinary. Who's the actor who plays the death row inmate who is demonically possessed? That is Sean Patrick Flannery, who was in a lot of big movies in the late 90s and early 2000s and he is absolutely incredible in this film is very first role. He was young Indiana Jones as a teenager on television. That was his very first role. But he is incredible. Mesmerizing in this movie. Well, he will convince you that evil really exists. And we do it without no profanity, no gore. No killing or anything of that nature. He does it just with the actual theology of hell that he shares directly with the audience.
ToddCast Podcast with Todd Starnes
Caller: Large Crowd Was Very Engaged for President Trump in Waco
"At the rally Saturday. I understand. Tell me about it, please. Yes, sir. I was at the rally and my mom got there about 5 a.m. and already there was about a hundred people in line and hundreds more coming in and it was just very enthusiastic crowd. We ended up being about 7 rows from the stage and just a great crowd of people and a good rally. What do you say to those supposed know it alls who say that mister Trump's popularity is lacking these days that the crowds are not as enthused, they're not as large. What would you say to them? I would say it was still a very, very large crowd and I would say that the poll numbers are fine. There was about, I would say 8, 8000, maybe 10,000 inside the gate and then however many thousands outside that were there. And again, it was 80°. And just very, you know, sports going on and I like him is primarily conservative, but it was in a more liberal part of town and so to bring that many people out, I mean, that was still incredible numbers. Based on your experience that day, are you even more of a supporter of president Trump than you were before? I mean, did this experience lead you to fight even harder for his election again? Oh yes, yes. I was already, I don't think I could get much more enthusiastic than I already am, but yeah, for sure. For sure. Benjamin. Go ahead, finish your thought, I'm sorry. It was just a very enthusiastic speech and I think one of his best ones yet and he was very got the crowd very engaged
AP News Radio
Biden's Justice Dept. keeps hard line in death row cases
"President Biden, as opposed to capital punishment, but his administration is pushing forward with federal executions. An Associated Press review of dozens of legal filings shows President Biden's Justice Department is fighting just as vigorously as Donald Trump's did to uphold a sentences of death row inmates. Death penalty opponents had expected the administration to end federal executions. Attorney general Merrick Garland did impose a moratorium in 2021, noting concerns about how capital punishment disproportionately impacts people of color, and there's a lack of consistency in its application. Although the pauses lifted, Garland has not authorized any new death penalty cases and reverse 27 that had been sought, but there are dozens more capital punishment cases being pursued by the Justice Department. I'm Jackie Quinn
AP News Radio
Bruins get 57th win, outlasting Canes in SO
"The bruins are 5 away from tying the NHL single season record for wins following a four three shootout decision over the hurricanes. David pasternak notched his 50th and 51st goals of the season. It's definitely special. It's been a long way and you know it was obviously big thanks to all my teammates and my family. Charlie Coyle and Jake de bruss provided the shootout goals in Boston's 57th victory and 7th in a row. Jacob lauko also tallied and Jeremy swimming made 34 saves for the NHL's top team. Jack drury, Brady Shea and Sebastian aho scored for Carolina, which is three points ahead of the Devils for the metropolitan division lead. I'm Dave ferry.
AP News Radio
China threatens consequences over US warship's actions
"China's threatening consequences over a U.S. warships actions. Beijing's angry after the navy sailed a destroyer around the disputed paracel islands in the South China Sea for the second day in a row in a move officials claim is a violation of its sovereignty and security, the warning comes amid growing tensions between China and the U.S. in the region, as Washington pushes back at Beijing's growing assertive posture in the South China Sea, a strategic waterway in claims virtually in its entirety. The U.S. 7th fleet says the USS milius a guided missile destroyer had sailed near the paracel islands as part of a freedom of navigation operation. I'm Charles De Ledesma
AP News Radio
Pastrnak gets 49th goal, Bruins top Montreal, 5th win in row
"The bruins made it 5 straight wins by doubling up the Canadians four two. David pasternak notched his 49th goal and the bruins 55th win. 7 off the NHL victory record with 11 games remaining. Pasternak also had an assist, giving him 95 points. Tyler bertuzzi had a goal and an assist, Jake de brus scored on a breakaway and David Crecy added an insurance goal. It was bertuzzi's first goal since joining Boston this month. Jeremy swayman stopped 29 shots for the bees, allowing power play goals by Nick Suzuki and Kirby dock. I'm Dave ferry.
The Dan Bongino Show
Lisa Boothe: Will the Trump Indictment Go Forward?
"Lisa Boone first let's talk about Donald Trump So this is the second day now in a row The grand juries being sent home without an indictment You know you're pretty familiar with the legal process I mean that old line you can indict a ham sandwich is accurate It's not adversarial You walk into the grand jury room and you only tell one side of the story It is almost impossible to not indict someone There's no defense attorney there You could say almost anything Lisa as long as you don't lie What does it say to you that after two straight days now Two straight days There are apparently unable even in New York City to get an indictment issue I mean this is police state stuff at this point Well you know and we're talking about New York City right So we're talking about a left brain liberal city Right so it's not even indicting I mean it's even worse than that because it's New York City So I am praying this means that they're not going to move forward with an indictment against Donald Trump because I mean we know what that would mean for the country Dan I've really been thinking about this and thinking about just the basic question are we still constitutional republic And I don't know if we are Dan I mean we look more like an authoritarian nation than a country that believes in the rule of law that believes in freedom and liberty And so we know that this would set us down a really dangerous and dark path as a country
AP News Radio
Idaho poised to to pass bill that allows firing squad execution
"The latest state in the nation to allow execution by firing squad. With issues surrounding the drugs for lethal injections. Idaho lawmakers have passed a bill that will allow a firing squad to execute an inmate as an alternative. The measure which passed with a veto proof majority goes to the governor's desk. There is one convict on death row who's had multiple postponements of his execution because the lethal injection drugs were not available. The death penalty information centers as Mississippi, Utah and Oklahoma, also allow executions by firing squad. South Carolina passed a similar law, but it's on hold with illegal challenge.
AP News Radio
Gonzaga, Timme move to Sweet 16 with 84-81 win over TCU
"Drew Timmy poured in a game high 28 points leading Gonzaga to an 84 81 victory over TCU. The wind prompted bulldogs coach Mark few to happily trot out the following statistics. I'm ecstatic for these guys. Get to another sweet 16. That's 8 in a row, which is just an incredible testament by our program and what we've been able to do these last 8 years. Gonzaga is in the west region. Creighton is in the south and punched its ticket to the sweet 16 by beating Baylor 85 76. Ryan neme led the victorious Blue Jays with 30 points. For a sport in Denver
The Charlie Kirk Show
Citizen Kane and Charlie Dare to Talk Sports
"Welcome back, everybody. We have one of my favorite guests. He runs an impressive website. I visit it multiple times a day, citizens free press. We have Citizen Kane on the line. Mister Cain, welcome to the program first and most important question. Do you have Indiana winning at all? And if yes, what is wrong with you? Well, hey, your Evanston boys northwestern. I know. That's right, dude. How great was that? And also prince than the other day, which I hate to cheer for woke schools, but you are a big guy you guy, though, aren't you? Yeah, I grew up. Starting at age four, we had a 6th row seats behind the bench. When we moved to Bloomington. Wow. In the early 70s, bob knight had just taken the job at IU after having come from West Point. And he accumulated this group of four or 5 doctors who were all about night's age. And a weird little side story. So these are doctor surgeons, radiologists, anesthesiologists with full practice with full practices and night would demand that they attend the IU basketball practice every day. I kid you not. For two and a half hours. And yeah, anyway. So yeah, you know, I'm a believer in the hoosiers. All schools are woke, so I don't hold that against Princeton. And that was, that was a heck of a game yesterday, for instance. There was some awesome games. So we're going to get a lot of hate mail because our audience doesn't like it when we talk sports
AP News Radio
California to overhaul San Quentin prison, emphasizing rehab
"California governor Gavin Newsom is set to visit San Quentin State Prison Friday to detail overhaul plans that will put a new emphasis on rehabilitation. I'm Ben Thomas with a look at what's in the works, San Quentin sits on San Francisco Bay, housing the highest number of prisoners on death row in the country. But no one has been put to death there since 2006. The governor announced a moratorium on executions in 2019 and dismantled the prison's gas chamber. Still nearly 700 prisoners remain on death row today last year, Newsom announced plans to begin transferring those inmates to other prisons, saying Quentin is to be transformed into a site where inmates can be rehabilitated and received job training before returning to society. It's to be renamed the San Quentin rehabilitation center, Newsom's aim to break the cycles of crime and create a new model for safety and justice. I'm Ben Thomas
AP News Radio
MacKinnon's shootout goal gives Avs 2-1 win over Maple Leafs
"Nathan McKinnon scored the only goal of the shooter as Colorado won its third in a row a two one victory over Toronto at Scotiabank arena. Holy scoring came in the first period. Morgan rielly opened it for Toronto with his third of the season, the abs Miko ratan had tied it on the power play later in the frame with his 44th marker of the campaign. This time of the year, it's just important if even if you go for one four 5 one four 6, you know, just kind of just try to get one at least color random under Alexander georgiev was named the game's first star making 17 stops. John leatherbee, Toronto
Mike Gallagher Podcast
Riots, Arrests Following Charlie Kirk's Speech at UC Davis
"A little clip of it on Fox News this morning, not a big story. I want to get this straight. The Chancellor of UC Davis puts out a video, hours before Charlie is to speak, denouncing Charlie, attacking turning point USA, lying about Charlie, accusing him of being a vicious demagogue. Who wants to hurt people who wants violence against people, that came from the Chancellor of UC Davis, University of California Davis. In anticipation of Charlie's speaking engagement, well, look at what happened last night. They rioted. They committed thousands and thousands of dollars worth of damage. There's a video showing a row of protesters outside a bank of doors that are locked and the police are inside the video is taken from somebody on a cell phone camera. They start kicking through all the doors. They kick in all the doors. Shattering all the glass, guess how many people were arrested at the riot. You ready for this? Now if you've seen the video and you see all the tussles with cops and fighting with cops and breaking the windows, spraying people with pepper spray, assaulting people, you know, it's the normal antifa crap, the leftist, the Democrat leftists, who want a fascist shut down, speech they disagree with. That you're not allowed to hear it. You want to go show up on a college campus somewhere and listen to Charlie Kirk or who else, Bethany mandel. She got protested the other day, Ben Shapiro, any of these very effective young conservative voices who gravitate to college campuses, you're out of luck. There's going to be a riot.
AP News Radio
Lightning beat Devils 4-1 to open 2-game set in New Jersey
"The Tampa Bay lightning in New Jersey Devils will be playing each other two games in a row two nights apart in the same venue this week. The bolts got off to a solid start being the devil's four to one Tuesday night at the Prudential center as the Brandon Hagel Alex killorn and akita kucherov answered Damon severson's early goal while Hegel also picked up a couple of assists having Hall of Famers to set up for always helps. Let's try to go out there and work my hardest. And when you get those guys in the puck, I think good things are going to happen. So a lot of credit to those guys, but I just try and go out there and be the hardest working guy on the ice. They go out again Thursday night again at The Rock. Matt baker, which Newark
The Dan Bongino Show
Charlie Gasparino: How Silicon Valley Bank Came to Fall
"In running those companies for themselves they need to have a banking relationship and they did it with these guys And these guys would extend them lines of credit various types of loans collateral back loans you name it there's all these very intricate stuff that they did with those with to that to that VC portfolio portfolio company community and private equity community out there And so come valley In return those companies would do their banking with this guy with these guys And give them their money If they had money that they needed to put aside which they all do for payroll and short term expenses it was at Silicon Valley bank So think about that That is the least diversified business model You could think of one industry that is highly highly reliant and dependent on the continuation of low interest rates because that's what was fueling the sort of startup VC industry particularly in tech was low interest rates and lots of money The minute that spigot got turned off Guess what Tech started to crater Remember Facebook off its highs They're all laying Everybody all Salesforce off its size If you think about that those are the profitable companies Think about if you're a VC portfolio company which is still an early stages and not make it any money you have more you have more money problems Put that together Okay so the blue was off the rows in the VC tech community Those companies are cutting back on older borrowing from Silicon Valley bank Maybe some of them are going belly up on their borrowings on their lines of credit And on top of that they're now have to pull the money out of the bank So they're reducing their deposits And you get what you have here that someone smells at and then mover spread and the run
AP News Radio
Embiid, Harden help 76ers cruise past Wizards 112-93
"Joel embiid and James Harden led the 76ers to their 5th win in a row, a one 1293 pounding of the wizards, and beads scored 34 points, harden added 18 with 14 assists in the wire to wire win. First of all, we did a really good job of being physical with switching. Limited in one shot and off 13 we expect the floor, draw a penetration, finish around a room, and make over shots. So just beautiful basketball. They sat out the final period with Philadelphia already up by 12. Washington fell out of a tie for the final play in slot in the east and lost for the 5th time in 6 games. I'm Dave fairy.
AP News Radio
Bridges, Nets withstand Jokic's triple-double, beat Nuggets
"The nets picked up a very impressive road win by downing the west leading nuggets one 22 one 20. Mikhail bridges delivered 25 points in Brooklyn withstood another triple double by Nikola Jokić in winning for the 5th time in 6 games. Nick claxton had 20 points for the nets who outscored Denver by 19 in the third quarter to take an 11 point lead. The lead grew to 15 in the fourth, but the nuggets closed on a 26 13 run. Jokic had 35 points, 14 rebounds at 11 assists in his league high 27th triple double, but the nuggets dropped their third in a row. I'm Dave ferry.
AP News Radio
Kuemper stops 17 shots, Capitals beat Islanders 5-1
"The capitals move closer to a playoff birth with a 5 one win over the islanders. Dylan Strowman, TJ oshi got the caps going with first period goals. Obviously we're in tough right now, but only four or 5 points back and play down a couple more times. So gotta take care of business and we'll get the job done. Anthony mantha Nick dowd and Nicholas backstrom added third period goals as Washington improved to four two and one since a 7 game losing streak. Darcy kepper needed to make just 17 saves, allowing only a goal by Pierre Engvall. Washington is within 5 points of the aisles and penguins for the two Eastern Conference wildcard births. New York had won three in a row. I'm Dave ferry.
Gadget Lab Podcast
"rowing" Discussed on Gadget Lab Podcast
"Also water resistance on some. Like there's some rubbers that have a water tank. So when you pull on the cord, you're actually pulling paddles through water, so it feels like actual water resistance. So yeah, it is, it is very efficient. And it's the kind of thing that if somebody wants a workout, but they're not a runner and they're not a cyclist. It's a great option. Well, I want to say Lawrence point about it being a niche sport. I think that's largely true. It's expanding, certainly. But rowing machines in general, I think, have picked become a lot more popular thanks to CrossFit and CrossFit like workouts where they have become sort of this integral part of a broader workout routine or regimen. But that leads me to another thing, and Lauren, we've been talking about this ever since the peloton row first was a rumor. I've been bringing up the fact that there is sort of a standard rowing machine that everybody who is an actual rower or does those crocodiles or anything like that uses. It's the concept two, which is a $990 device. It doesn't have a built in screen. It doesn't. It's been the same basic thing for the last 20 years or so with little upgrades along the way. And it's loud, it has the wind resistance, but it is sort of the go to rowing device. And they've actually made some steps, you know, it doesn't have to build a screen, but you can hook up you can get an iPad holder and stream Concept2 rowing classes. It gets you close enough, and it is such a standardized piece of equipment for that sport. I think peloton is going to have a hard time bringing actual rowers into the fold. I think it's going to be more people who are just looking for another piece of home gym equipment, which again makes it like a hard sell. And this gets back to Lauren, I think what I select you often is I hope peloton is going to be okay because I genuinely do enjoy the product and I do like and it has made is genuinely made a difference in my fitness and all that. But man, I just don't, it's rough going, right? And this does not seem to be the way out of those choppy waters. I think peloton is really betting that peloton fanatics will buy into this because of the peloton content. Like this is definitely part of a larger strategy to get more people into peloton subscription services. You're going to end up paying, of course, $44 per month extra, just a stream that content. But it's not Cody rigsby who's doing the rowing classes that that would be hilarious, but like the idea is that instructors are just so dynamic and so enthusiastic. They really have their own fan bases at this point. They have like huge Instagram presences that that would be one of the draws for people to maybe buy into peloton as opposed to something like a Nordic track or hydro or concept two. There actually is some interesting tech in this because it's quote unquote integrated. So the difference between putting your iPad up on an OG rower and using that. And this is that the display is directly connected to the body of the rower. This display is also a swivel display, so you could do a rowing workout, hop off, swivel the display, and then do a peloton boot camp or strength training workout and stack your classes in that way. There's a sensor that's built into the center rail of the rower and then another sensor that's built into the main hub of the rower and those sensors are telling you whether or not your form is correct. And it's measuring your strokes and it's showing your output and your resistance live on screen. So all that stuff that's built into some of the other peloton products that are giving you real-time engagement with instructors, live feedback, helping you correct your forms, you're doing it properly. That's all stuff that you're going to get from this machine supposedly. We haven't tried it yet, that you might not get from one of the other more standard rowers. And I will say the form check assuming it works, which, as you said, we haven't tried it yet. We don't know. But that is actually, I think, a pretty big deal and a good differentiator because it is an easy thing to get wrong, and you can do bad things to your back or just not get very much out of the workout. If you don't get the form down, well, so I'm curious to see how that works basically, I guess, because it is, I think, when you sometimes, you'll go and you'll see people on the rowing machine at the gym, and you want to say, oh no. On all. Oh, not like that. Anything that looks like it's going to hurt your back. It makes me very uncomfortable to see people doing. Because I worry, I'm a worrier. I worry for people. Sounds like a true dad. Walking down the sidewalks sometimes makes me think I'm going to hurt my back. Brian, another quick thing that peloton said, they designed the handlebar. It reminds me a little bit of like a coat hanger. It's got this ten degree angle to it. So it's rounded towards you as opposed to the handlebars being curved away from you and they said that's better ergonomically. Do you have thoughts on that? I saw that. And I don't have thoughts on it. I'd be curious to try it because what I'm used to is just sort of straight handlebars and you grab it and you pull it and go. So it feels like if it ain't broke kind of situation to me, but maybe it's maybe it's a truly revolutionary way to yank on a handle. I don't know. Maybe they were just making a greater case for you having to at least come back and review this thing for us. Sold. Let me add it. All right, let's take a quick break and then we'll come back with more.
Gadget Lab Podcast
"rowing" Discussed on Gadget Lab Podcast
"Hi everyone, welcome to gadget lab. I am Michael kalari. I'm a senior editor at wired. And I'm Lauren good. I'm a senior writer at wired. We are also joined by wired's former executive editor of news Brian Barrett. Farmer. Hello, Brian. Hi, not quite yet. I guess by the time this airs, I will be former, but for now, I've still got a few hours on the clock. That's right. By the time you are listening to this show, Brian will have officially left us. His slack account deactivated. No. Oh man. So it's a sad day for us, and it's a sad day for everybody listening. I'm sure, but Brian, we could not let you leave without dragging you on here. One more time to talk about peloton. I appreciate it. I feel like not only do I love every chance I get to be on gadget lab. I love that I feel like the last two or three times now have been about peloton, which is I feel like our in-house go to peloton guy, which I'm happy to be. So because it's Brian's last day, we carried out a little tradition, we made a wired cover, a mock up of a wired cover with Brian's face on it. And sent him off this morning with it. And one of the taglines that I came up with for Brian was his next act as it is going to become a professional peloton rower. Is that right, Brian? I wish. Here's the point where you tell us actually where you're going to work and what you're going to be doing, all the details. Oh, I can't. I don't think I'm allowed to say a lot about it, but just going to work on a startup out of the Emerson collective focused on trying to find a way to promote better conversation online. I think that's probably about as much second say, but looking for it. Which what could be easier than that? Right, right. Professional peloton rower. Yep. Well, we can have better conversation here for now. Yeah. Let's do it. Yeah, this is a good good trial run. All right, let's get on with the show. As you may have heard on this show and elsewhere, peloton has had a very interesting couple of years. Back at the start of the pandemic, the company saw a huge surge in demand for its bikes and its treadmills. But as people started to ease out of quarantine, they found they had less need for their home workout equipment, or the company's streaming workout classes. And through all this peloton has had to sort of re strategize. It's got a new CEO, changed some parts of its business, closed some offices, and laid off some employees. But the company has continued to put out new products. The latest is a rowing machine. Lauren, we want to start with you because you wrote about the rowing machine this week for wired. What should we know about it? I do just have to say once more, it is very suspect that Brian Barrett is leaving wired just as the rower is coming out because we've been talking about this for at least two years. So I do think he's going to be he's going to be like in a basement somewhere training to become the next professional peloton rower. Right, you mentioned in your story that this is the worst kept secret. Yeah, it is, right? We've known this is coming for a while. It's been leaked before. I think the important thing to consider with a product like peloton row as it is called. And the product that was launched before at this spring peloton guide, which is this funky little camera system that tracks your strength training workouts, is that these products have been in the works for around a couple of years now. That's peloton's typical product development cycle according to their chief product officer. And so when you think about what was going on two years ago and the kinds of ideas that peloton might have been conceiving of at the time and the kind of market they saw addressable market for these kinds of products, maybe it looked a little bit different than it does now. So in some ways the new products that are being shipped right now feel like a little bit like their holdovers from a previous product development era. That's the first thing I'd say about the peloton row. The second thing that I would point out is it's price. It is $3200. Part of me, 31 95. Is that what we were expecting? I wasn't expecting it. Brian, were you expecting that? No, and I tell you, this is what this is what gets me and Lauren, I think to your point of it feeling like a holdover some sort of a previous peloton era almost, the pricing feels that way too, right? Because like when the bike first came out, I think they had a reasonable case to say we are charging more because there's nothing else really like this like we're providing this really distinctive experience. I think that was that held up largely. But now you're introducing the peloton row when there are competitive products out there that actually do a pretty good job and have a good library of content and have that built in monitor the hydro is sort of the chief example of that. That are much less expensive than what you're getting with the peloton row. So it feels harder to justify that much of a premium over a competitive product that is does a lot of the same stuff as far as I can tell. So and I would say too. I think I am the market for this device, right? Because I still use my peloton a lot. I really enjoy it. I'm not really a gym person. I like being able to work out at home. I'm a former rower in the high school and some of college. I am that guy. Who should be all over this, but I just 31 95. I just couldn't possibly. It all depends on your own personal financial circumstances. But it just seems like a lot to ask of people, especially at a time when one of peloton's big problems is they got hardware stacked up in warehouses that they can't move. It feels like, is this just going to be more hardware that's stacking up that they can't move? I don't know, hard to say, Lauren, did you get a sense of how many they're expecting to sell? I know they don't actually ship until December, right? Do you have a sense that they're just kind of, I don't know. Yeah, no idea. I ask when in December, they might be shipping. They didn't really say I asked why they're pre announcing it so early. Obviously they want to be in people's brains as we head into a holiday season and people are thinking about the kind of fitness gear or other Internet connected devices that you might be spending on. Yeah, but in terms of how many units they expect to move, absolutely no idea in the product briefing that I had with peloton, which by the way happened over Zoom. So I didn't actually get to try the rower. The product managers I spoke to really emphasized how it's a full body workout. You can work out. They kept throwing up the number 86%. You can work out up to 86% of your body from a rowing workout if you're doing it properly. Brian certainly knows a lot more about that than the rest of us here. I'm going to go out on a limb and say, I know when I've used a rower before at the gym, I've been like, I feel like I'm not doing anything, which certainly means I'm doing it wrong. So peloton kept saying like, no, this is like a full body workout, right? And the unspoken comparison there is like as opposed to, say, a bike where you're just primarily using your legs. That said, I still think rowing is a pretty niche sport. It's not a lot of people. So I have no idea how many of these things are going to sell, and especially at such a high price. It is a remarkably efficient workout. Like you said, it does, they were correct about the fact that it works out most of your body. You can burn as many as like a thousand calories an hour during rowing workout. And also, we should mention that it has all of the accoutrements of a modern technologically enhanced rower, right? Flywheel that allows you to dial in how much resistance it gives. So you can make it harder to pull or easier to pull. That's electronic resistance too. So it's quiet. It's not like the wind, the wind powered ones. I don't know. I'm not describing it well, but you know what I mean?
Epicenter
"rowing" Discussed on Epicenter
"The very beginning of the first proof of content, in 2017, we were able to resolve ENS domains with IP face websites. And people didn't use it at all. So we lost that. And now seeing all these things that happen in all the censorship scenes is when people realize that we are losing our path in some way. So I see a lot of business rowing and trying to follow the reverse path path centralized and then make it decentralized, but that's not working. Because at the end, this utilization is not easy. It's a real challenge. And that is why you need to have that in your mind from the very beginning. You need to focus on the centralization, see how it can work and then if it needed try to centralize. But we have the feeling that we are changing our mind, I don't know why, maybe new people in the community that doesn't have this feeling of decentralization or maybe they don't realize of the importance of the centralization. So that is why I try to focus on the importance of this organization. The benefit of essentially persistent networks, the importance of privacy and that is why try to educate people on the Internet. Yeah, and I mean, just to kind of spell it out, especially when you move to proof of stake, and basically lots of people don't really want to take from home. They just delegate you end up with a lot of large stakers. And basically, that's not really decentralized network in terms of resilience. So basically, if it's just a number of people you kind of need to call to kind of shut it down or yeah, in terms of proof of stake, it's also a big issue, obviously. Right now, the top 5 stake control there is 63% of the network. It's crazy. It's too much. And the thing that we have seen is that this number has grown. It doesn't mean that we are not fishing that problem. The thing is the problem is making even worse. And also from the point of view of the BPS or cloud providers, for example, has not recently been crypto application on their service. So that means that we are going to lose 50% of the nodes of the network because of that. Obviously, the people are going to move to another provider, but at the moment that we are centralizing our infrastructure in cloud provider or in bigger stickers, we are losing all the benefits that we can get from this and try to know it. And without wanting to I totally take your point, I think for headsets only for shared instances though. Basically if you have your own server, you can do what you want to do. And they haven't been as far as I know they haven't been very explicit and
The Rich Roll Podcast
"rowing" Discussed on The Rich Roll Podcast
"You know, harder, stronger, smarter, target to knock down again. Because we need to be resilient. You know, this resiliency piece is so important. But if all we're doing is proving the people that we'll get back up, we're really not getting we're not getting anywhere with that. So, you know, if people are looking how to really be authentic leaders and how to kind of take on some of these challenges, I think it starts with this building the trust piece. And I think you can spend a lot of time working on that. So how would you begin that? I think a lot of people. And the reason I ask that is, I think that I agree with you completely on the vulnerability piece. You can not expect to engender trust. If you're not willing to open up your books to use your phraseology to be honest to admit where you went wrong. I think a lot of people are intimidated to do that or scared to do that. It feels not safe or it feels the kind of conventional wisdom around that would be if I do if I do that I'll appear weak and that will be a cross purposes with the trust that I'm trying to engender. The truth is actually the opposite. But for somebody who's never engaged in that process, I guess she would have to say like start small. But getting somebody off that ledge and into a mindset where they're comfortable sharing on that level with people who are underneath them or their colleagues at work or even at home and their relationships, I think is a tough road to hoe for many, many people, and it keeps us stuck, and it also imprisons us in our emotional states. It paralyzes us from the growth that we actually seek and aspire to. Well, I think one of the things I've noticed about myself is the more I've accomplished and the more of these of these rows, the less macho I become, you know, I feel that at first, you feel like you're saying to kind of beat your chest and to say, look at me. I'm on this pedestal. And the reason why you're down there and I'm up here is because I manage you, I lead you. I'm your boss. And then it starts to become such a flat hierarchical structure by the time you start to accomplish these things, you all start to start to become on the same level. And I think I've learned that a lot. I felt so I felt so much the need like at Sonoma state to show that I am bigger and stronger. And you should be scared of me. And one time one of my teammates says the only reason people real hard for you is because they're scared of you not because they respect you. Not really hit me hard. And so I've been thinking about that. Which works in the short term, but not in a long time. Exactly. Yeah, it's the stick for the carrot thing. So if people are looking for a way to start, as you said, a jumping off point, I'd start with storytelling. Start figuring out what kind of stories you can be telling. Don't forget about showing your failings for a second. You know, deciding to say, oh, this I'm gonna tell them this is where I failed. You know, this is gonna be a big thing. Forget about that. Just start storytelling. Start a narrative. Every time I'm telling a story, giving a keynote speech, even if it's just with friends at a dinner or if it's on a stage in front of thousands of people, I make sure that every sentence I'm saying is for the benefit of the person listening. Otherwise you just blow vating and talking about something about yourself. But if you can have other people see themselves in the stories that you tell you're on the road to starting those conversations that are going to talk about the shortcomings. And that's a way to wade in shallow, because you're not I'm not saying you to say this is where I made a mistake. You're just telling a story. Not encourages people to be like, and I think with this one, you know, you've given a fair amount of keynotes as well. But you talk to people off stage and they want to come in and shake your hand and share stuff with you. And I've never really identified or connected with the macho guys that come up to me and say, oh, I'm just like you. I hate losing. I never lose, which I'm first of all. I lose all the time, so I don't identify with that. But I just feel like they missed the whole point. But one that happened a few years ago that always stuck with me and I'll never remember what her name was and I can picture her, though, and she wanted to share a story of her and her twin sister. They were they had stopped talking for years and years. And moved away from each other and they finally got reconnected and put their passed away, and they decided they're going to do a century bike ride together. And she told me the story, she goes, it's not the anxious to start does nothing like what you did, but I had the whole time that you were talking. I just kept thinking about what my sister and I did. And we did it and started raining and we had to get off our bikes and walk and it took us forever, but we finished it. And at the end, she said, I don't even know why I'm telling you this right now. I just felt like I wanted to say that. I said, somewhere she's out there and she doesn't realize this is affecting me this much because that's successful. I told the story that encouraged someone to think about their stories and then share their stories. And all of a sudden we're a bunch of people sharing stories. And that then the vulnerabilities will come out. But let's start with, let's start with storytelling. Well, thanks for sharing your story with me today. My pleasure. Absolutely. Thank you so much. How's your dad? Is he good? He's good. He's good with you now? Oh yeah. In fact, we're closer than ever. I only feel comfortable saying this in front of the couple people that listen to your podcast because we are so close. In fact, we have a standing appointment to golf on Mondays together and also he's even doing a little work with me now because he's kind of semi retired, so he's even starting to work at lot 35 doing some stuff for me. So we're good. Glad to hear it. That's awesome, man. Very cool. That's super inspiring what you shared today. Everything you're about. I'm super into. There's so much to be learned from these experiences. And I think the more that you're able to share them and do it from that place of humility and vulnerability, you become this transformative spark for so many people. So when in your sales, and if there's anything I can do to support you, I'm here to do that and I can't wait to see what you're going to do next man. Thanks, Rachel. So last thing the documentary chasing, I got to see a final cut of it, but what's the plan in terms of getting where are we? Because we talked a lot about it today. People are going to be like. Well, the thing is, it's so Evan Hayes and ace productions over there. They have it out to market. They've had it on the market for a few months. Now they've gotten some good interest on it from a couple of big platforms as well as distribution distributors. I'm waiting any day for them to say they're gone. In fact, some of the meetings I'm going to tomorrow are a way to help nudge some of these platforms over. So I'm hoping that will work. But he swears, it'll get, you know, it's gonna get sold. He's never not sold this thing, but it should end up on one of the majors, but wait forever. Yeah, so basically just for those of you who are watching or listening, it's not out yet. As soon as.
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"Atmosphere. Do you have a sense of what might be coming next? I definitely have a short list. Get all caging on me now. Well, come on. You know, what if someone? That's right. No one listens to your podcast I feel about that. I'll just say this. I'll say this. I think I'm largely done with oceans. I think I've I don't think there's anything left for me out there. I mean, I would do some more interesting, maybe shorter crossings, but I think transatlantic trans Pacific Ocean crossing is I'm done with that, but I've been looking to other bodies of water, big rivers, the world's biggest rivers and doing some of those and being able to do some more exploring. It's more adventuring where yeah, there's still a record to be had, a source to see type of going down rivers and stuff. But also being able to explore Terra firm at times, being able to come onto land. Just seeing a little bit more of the world through the rivers. I'm not saying we're in that for now. Yeah, no, I get it. I mean, I'm interested in how your recent experience has or has not, maybe impacted how you think about your why for yourself as an adventure athlete who now has made this stamp established yourself as somebody who can do amazing things who is in a position to Garner additional support and attention, et cetera. And I think of people in the tradition of this like Louis Pugh who's about to jump in freezing cold water and swim across these frigid Icelandic or where is he? He's in Greenland. I'm sorry. Swimming in swimming in the coldest water, there is, but his why is tied to a cause greater than himself. I mean, you're about team building and leadership and community building, et cetera, not that that's not completely laudable, but his thing being like the environment and all of that. So I'm interested in kind of has your perspective on what the larger why behind what you're doing. Is that in flux? Are you locked in on that? Or how do you think about that? I think it's very inelegantly. I think about this stuff so much while you were talking so elegantly, by the way, I was, you know, I'm also trying to think about how I kind of wrestle with that idea. I'd say the first thing is, is that some of set in stone and is becoming more and more a stronger with me and my wife and that's a lot of the personal why. Things like doing this from my son, you know? It'll be two in a week. And, you know, he doesn't know what I do yet. He's only two, but he will start to in the next few years, start to slowly realize that his dad has done some incredible things. And, you know, might sound a little cheesy, but for those parents out there, you know that you're why becomes pretty strong for your kids and it's for him to be able to see that his dad does these things. So whatever he gets into, that he's going to know that, you know, he's got a chance. He's got a shot. That's just I'm so excited to be able to use that. It's kind of a leverage for him as well. And I'm excited. This was my first row I've ever done my first adventure with him alive. That was tough, but also a motivator. You know, I put him to bed the night before I left and he woke up the next day and I wasn't there, and I wasn't there for the next 30 days. Did that change your risk analysis approach? I thought it would, but it didn't. And to be very honest. And that sounds selfish and it is. But I didn't, I didn't feel myself feeling any more mortal out there than I have in the past just because I have a boy. I thought it would. I thought maybe I'd lose a little edge, but I didn't. In fact, one of my teammates on this was he said he was worried and it was very honest to him to say that. It was actually Jordan very, very awesome to say that it's a little worried that maybe I would bring that missing him out onto the water and I had spent the year leading up to this road to make sure that I was emotionally ready to leave him. And I think it didn't be well. You know, I didn't bring it in a sense that I made decisions or I had bad days because of that. I also was surprised that I still felt as ready to take risks and take chances. Yeah, it's interesting. Maybe that will change. I don't know, maybe. Yeah, I mean, you know, as somebody who's got kids that are older now, I'm aware of how that impacts how I make decisions about where I invest my time. That's risk analysis aside. I think as they get older and they become like, at some point, they're like, oh, you're a real person. Because they develop enough, you know, the brains mature a little bit and their personality comes out a little bit more robustly. And for me, like when they're really young, it's harder to have that kind of connection, but understanding of them as sentient human beings. And then when they get to a certain point, you're like, oh wow, and I just remember a shift. And how I thought about things. When was that? I can't remember. I mean, I'm old, so it was a long time ago. But I think maybe around you, I think you got maybe another year and a half or so before that starts to percolate. That'll be interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's already there. Yeah. But then it really kind of like gets to a different level. Yeah. And it changes the way that you interrelate. Yeah, I mean, I was fully expect for it to change, and I'm surprised. I'm being very honest. I would have been easy for me to just sit here and say, oh yeah, you know. Family first. And it is family first when I was out there. I mean, we took some risks. We went through storms when we could have gone around and that's, by the way, why we broke that 9 days. We went through every single storm. We did not go around it. That was dangerous. It was harder and beat us up more. And I never once thought we shouldn't be doing this because our team goal was to go as fast as possible. And that's what that was how you did it..
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"So it's just fine balance between drawing them out and you're on a 30 foot boat. Where are you trying, you know? We don't have a bathroom. Did you just have vats of antimicrobial like neosporin type of doing that kind of stuff? Trying to take a selfie to see where it is or just asking one of your buds dude, I need you to look at my ass. I was like, oh, God. And I saw an Instagram like sleeping naked, because you trying to dry it out. Yeah, yeah, you just I mean, there's no shame on this boat. You can use your imagination, but I mean, you're asking guys to look at things that you can't see on your body. I need you to check this thing out, you know? And then or a guy will see you like take that drop down your shorts by doing your ass looks also. You gotta fix that. You know, as a cyclist, like I can't imagine the saddles or situation. Yeah, it's for me, it's one of the worst things. So I had that and I had a bad ankle issue on this one that just, and it's just those little things that you're just trying to figure out. You've got two hours to somehow make it better before you go out for another two hours and make it. Yeah. So it's just this idea of trying to figure that out. And then of course you're tired all you really want to do is just lie down and go to sleep, but you've got to stay up and fix those things. And that can be. That's what those two hours of not rowing is tough. So yeah, you get stress fractured ribs, you've got salt sores on your ass. You've got tendinitis where your hands don't even straighten out and you got numbness in your hands. You've got blisters obviously that hopefully will call us up. And then you're just getting headaches at dizziness. It's just it's brutal out. And how much clean water can the desalinator produce daily? It really depends on how much sunlight you're getting because everything's being powered by solar panels. And how much you've had to use for other things, but those phones charged. Get those videos. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you got an auto helm that's helping you keep your point and stuff like that. But is solar creating the energy for your navigation for everything. We got lithium ion batteries on this race, which is the first time we did, which would end up being great. But having 5 liters of water per 24 hours for each individual is good. That's nice. And think about this, not that much water. That's not that much. Plus you're using it also to make sure you can't use that for taking a shower. Yeah, it's not like we're not having water balloons. Yeah, that's the precious resource. And a couple times, I think we did three times on this last race. You need to wash the bottom of the boat. Actually, if you can believe it, barnacles build up on the bottom of the boat. You get a slime that gets there and then the barnacles stick to the slime. There's another interesting thing. You're in the middle of the ocean. You jump in. And you're swimming in the middle of the ocean. It's an incredible experience that I always encourage all my teammates if they haven't done it before. Some don't want it. Hell no, I'm not going on here. But I was encouraged if you're not too scared to do it. And most people take you up on it. This is an incredible feeling. Tethered to the boat, but you're just away from the boat. You know, it's obviously going to be in calm weather. You know, I can do it during a storm. And underwater naked and it feels so good. Yeah, so you're getting that kind of that's your closest thing to a shower. Just a I mean that's a religious experience. It is an unbelievably religious. It is so true. I mean, it is one of the most amazing things to know, you have 30,000 people owe you. I love to just, I do it every time I just push off and just swim down and then just do a 360 underwater and just as far as the eye can see. And the light's being funneled because it's so deep and you can just see it being squished in. It's amazing. I mean, as an adventure athlete as an explorer, there's this perhaps you're the only human being that's ever been in that spot in the history of humanity. I think that all the time. It's crazy. That's what adventures are trying to do. Has anyone other humans who have ever been where I'm standing on this Terra firma? And that's what we think about out there. For a second, just have your own experience. Just the guys are joking around, you know, and everyone's some guys are working on scrubbing the boat and stuff like that. You can just have this one moment to yourself. You're like, and I always think like I'm exactly where I need to be right now. And that is, again, if we're going to wrap this whole thing up, this is why we're doing it. I mean, we're doing things like this to satiate this very human need to push further to be somewhere that no one else has been to get away and to be present. And there is nothing more to feel to make you feel present than something like that experience. Yeah. So you get it done. Not only break the world record, you like demolish it by 9 days, basically. Yeah. From 39 days to 30 days. Yeah, it's insane. So the thing that you always were waiting for, this guy who is, you know, kind of in the shadow. I was always second place, never could quite execute on the dream. I mean, that's got to be pretty gratifying. Yeah. I'm on the path to where I want to be doing it the way that I want to do it. And but I'm not done, you know? And I think right now it's about, as I said before, taking this relatively new knowledge of this master's degree, which I'm going to use by the way because this is amazing. This is a great metaphor. Yeah, but now you're teetering into PhD territory. Thank you dissertation involved. So maybe that's what you're thinking about in terms of what's next. Yeah, and I think, you know, I just love to see these tools going into action and I'm actually working. You know, it's just an amazing thing to see all this work that we've done and you just see, you create an environment for these human beings to be amazing and then they are and you just sit there and you marvel at it because in the end, what I'm doing is I'm not proving to the world that I'm just some great athlete, you know, I'm as great as I can be. But I'm proving to the world that I'm a builder of teams. And that is why no matter what you see me do next, it'll be in a team atmosphere. Do you have a sense of what might be coming next? I definitely have a short list. Get all caging on me now. Well, come on. You know, what if someone? That's right. No one listens to your podcast I feel about that. I'll just say this. I'll say this..
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"I was going to take them to a giant game and you know, we were going to go and do all these fun things, take them to the city. They wanted to see a cable car and all these they didn't believe that it gets pulled by a cable. So I was going to do all this stuff. We spent every single day all day at the boat getting it ready. Until literally the night before. And so here we are. Just like you said, we'll have broken all the rules. But but in that time, was spent with each other, and it was stressful, but it was together and there was a ton of trust in community building happening. And I remember the night before my wife asking me how I was feeling 'cause you know it was a very stressful week, two weeks leading up, and I said, I can't wait till tomorrow morning. All I have to do is push off. And all that's left is the suffering. And that's how I felt like I truly felt that we were still where we needed to be. And all that was left is just do it. Just bring it back to my vsepr coach. There are three times like he used to always say metals are earned in the off season. You simply just rode the race to go pick them up. And I love the simplicity of that. Simply just rode the 2000 meters because the metals are at the finish line. You got to go pick them up. Whatever color you get is a result of what you did in the off season. And that's how I felt with this team. We had done the work. It was stressful, but we were ready. The boat was where it needs to be. The team together where they need to be all we need to push off. We did. Talk to me about the training. So you would think I thought, I guess I should say that you're training would be you on a boat in the bay as much as possible then you want to comp you trainer and then you in the weight room. But in that little mini Doc that I watched, you were doing all kinds of interesting different stuff, a lot of cattle wall work, a lot of calisthenic type hit type training where you're changing gears a lot trying to confuse the body. So walk me through the kind of philosophy and perspective and routine that you are doing to get ready. Yeah, so ideally, the number one thing you could do to get yourself ready is to be in your boat with your team on the ocean rowing every dish is possible. That's number one. Whenever you can do that, you do it. You know, multi day rose, getting out there, sleeping on the boat, rowing in different conditions. That's the best. But that just doesn't happen. I mean, even on a non COVID year, it's hard to get the team together. But when we can, we do. Then you get down to rowing machines so the erg, I mean, I'll sit on there and I do a lot of different training, sometimes it will be long, long steady state pieces on that where I'm just trying to keep my heart rate and I do all heart rate training. So it's really based on where the heart rate is not where the split is, then we'll do. And interval work and strength work on the rowing machine. And then from there, lifting is a big deal. Rowing is a leg sport, mostly. Most people think it's an upper body. It's not. It's that you push off of a sliding seat. You don't pull, pushing as most of it. So you're building that legs, you're building the core. And of course, the back and shoulders as well. So a lot of that. But then, you know, you can't be too singular and just roll out a lot of pressure on the back. So I do a lot of cross training. And for me, cross training is I like to do trail running because I enjoy it and I'm not and it's hard for me. So I'm a big guy and swimming. Swimming has become a huge part of my training now because it's that nice fluid motion. And it's a lengthening thing for me. So it makes my back feel good. So I'm doing a combination of all that, but in a day to day, I'm getting up at four 30 if this is what people want to know. I'm getting up at four 30 before my son and my wife are up. I'm doing a big row there. That's an ergo. It's a rowing machine workout. That'll be a two hour session, depending on what the day looks like. And then I'm usually doing some kind of a midday afternoon thing that'll be either in the weight room or be some kind of like park workout. That will bring a medicine balls and stuff and we'll start to do stuff in the park. And that'll be kind of more of a muscular endurance type of workout. And then usually on certain days, usually three days a week after I put my son to bed, he's down at 7 30, then I'll go for a night run, just something light, not pushing it, nothing like you do, rich, but just getting out there, just trying to break a sweat and make it feel make it feel good. And then that's so I'm doing two days Monday through Saturday. And then two or three of those days I'll put in a light run as well in the evenings and then Sunday I'll usually take off. Right. So what I didn't hear is you getting out on the water. Well, usually we get to, but this time, Pacific. There was almost no water time. First of all, our boat wasn't ready. It even getting out in a skull. Yeah, and I did a lot of that as well. But, you know, it's tough, you know, it's tough with a family. Yeah. So time can say it's time to get to the water there and upload it. Exactly. So it's like, do I do that? Or do I get on the rowing machine, which is in my garage, you know? And I got a little set up there and I can just get there and I have the background and the experience. Yeah, I wasn't as worried about the, for me as the rowing portion of it in terms of the feel of the oars, you know? I've spent a lot of my adult dealing with and training for. So it was for me it's just about sitting and getting bigger and stronger. Packing on the weight, yeah. Putting on the muscle mass because that's going to get eroded over time. And kind of becomes a fuel. Yeah, I mean, you start high. That adrenaline, and then you crash with the seasickness. And then after you get out of the seat snake, you come back up and you're probably at your highest point at that point. You feel the best. Maybe 5 days into the row, and then it's a slow descent, slow and say descent as you lose the fat, which goes away quick and you start burning into that muscle mass. And you start feeling those injuries, you get the stress fractured ribs. You got sores on your ass. You've got your hands on that. You get on top of those sores because that's just nuts. And they're just being exposed to they're just wet all the time, salt, everything. It's awful. I'm gonna be honest. It is the worst. So for that, you know, you hear that metal proverb that says it's not the mountain in front of you, but the pebble in your shoe. That's what ocean rowing is. It's not the distance that you're rowing that's so hard. It's the little things. And that's getting ahead of it real quick. So yeah, the minute you get started getting wet and you get hit by a wave. I mean, you might not be dry for another two days from that one single way that hits you. You're soaking wet and then it gets down to your button to assault is just grinding into your butt. And then you get the sores. And it's a combination of trying to drive them out, but also keeping them so that they keeping them also like with some lubricant basically so that they don't get worse..
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"Back. We're only an anchor for a handful of hours, but it's enough because not only are we not going anywhere, but we've been not going anywhere for about a day and a half now. So we start rowing. I'm in the cabin and I'm having to do the math. What has this storm? What are the repercussions of this storm? What's it done to us? It ends up being really, really simple math. You know, I'm checking it over and over because I got you get this kind of mental fog when you're out there because you just have such little stimulation plus your sleep deprived and malnourished and dehydrated. But it's really simple math. We've got basically almost exactly to the mile, 400 miles left to go and almost exactly to the hour 5 days to do it. So it becomes 80 mile days. We have to basically achieve 80 miles a day for the next 5 days. And then it'll be close if we do that. And just to put it in perspective, 70 mile days is world record pace at that point. That was what would have done it. So I'm in the cabin. I'm just, I'm upset. I'm starting to cry a little bit. You know, I'm just this isn't fair. We've worked too hard. These guys have worked too hard. And, you know, kind of compose myself low because I know they're waiting for me to come out there with the number and I come out and you know, I've got these three expectant faces looking at me and, you know, I tell them what I tell them and the responses were just so interesting. I'll never forget them. First of all, Matt, who seasick, and kind of comes back roaring back, so to speak, he goes, oh my God, thank God I thought you were going to say a hundred. This guy was genuinely relieved that we only had to do 80 miles a day, which is ten miles above world record pace. He believed so much that this team was capable of it, that he was relieved that it was only 80. And then Alex, the young kid process oriented guy. He was just like, I'll do whatever it takes get be called me skip all the time and said, like, I'll row every hour of the night if I have to. Meaning and those were his worst nights. He'd literally pass out in the middle of his rowing shift because you'd be so tired just like blackout sometimes and all of a sudden I feel heavy and I look back and be like, I have to album, like you've got to get up. He was just letting us know that he would roll his worst hours if that's what I was taking. He was all in. And then Angus, you know, he was he was just saying that this is what we did, this is why we combined forces. You know, we wanted a chance at history. It's not like a great one, but we've got one in its hours. And I thought, damn, if that isn't the best response of any three teammates you could ever have. I mean, that was when I knew I had done what we needed to do. You know, I came back because I failed as a leader with the first team and more specifically with Greg, you know, the guy who left who was healthy, you know? I always say it's easy to get down on Greg. He left, he abandons and believe me, you don't want to say his name in front of my dad, because my dad can't stand him. But in the end, it was my fault, you know? I failed to get him to a place that he wanted to be like Tom, you know? And I never could shake that. And so that's why I came back, and all of a sudden I've got three guys that are willing to do whatever it takes. And the next 5 days, when they're already beat up, we're so beat up. And so I say, all right, so we roll the first of that 5 days because we're not quite out of the storm. We row three people at a time. Instead of two, it's three, which means instead of two hours on two hours off, you've got two hours on 40 minutes of rest. And I'm thinking to myself, this is going to be a rough first day. And we do it for 24 straight hours and we rose 79 miles, which, you know, it's good. Good, but you're behind. Yeah, for putting all that much effort into. We're still one mile off of our pace. And I just think I'm thinking to myself, I remember just as kind of like we're starting the next official day, which we think we marked at 6 a.m. was the next official day for us. I just remember thinking like, I don't know. I could see people taking their foot off the gas a little bit right now because we're going to go back to two on two off. You know, we're going to go back to our normal ship pattern something to myself. You know, you couldn't get 80 with three dudes, how are you going to do it? Yeah. Maybe you'll just rest. Yeah, a little bit off the foot off the gas. I mean, I'm thinking to myself, you know, I gotta make sure I don't do that, you know? Because now we're feeling a little defeated like, I don't think we've got it, you know? But I can tell you what, I know for a fact that nobody did because on that second day, we did 94 miles, which just that's all that you needed to know is that we did 95,000. And the third was 92, so I think 5 knots. What is that? It wasn't quite 5, but it was like, yeah, it was so knots will get you a hundred. Roughly. Okay. And so we were like in the high threes. Right. All day long, making quick shift change. It's like everything was and the thing is, nobody was talking about the world record, you know? That's the thing. No one was saying like, all right, where are we on the world record pace? It just became about each other, you know? It just became about cooking extra food for everybody. Hey, what does everybody want? I'm going to cook 5 meals right now so that you've got some put, I'm gonna put it right next to your seat, boom, eat it. I had this infected heel thing hurt so bad. It was so infected like even just barely touching it like really sent a pain at my leg and I'm notorious for not taking care of my body very well out there. When I should, and Angus, always yells at me for that and he would do little sell things like a J just when you get back in the cabin. I laid it out. You don't have to do anything. The gauze is there, the wrap is there. All you need to do is just simply take off the clean it, wrap it and done. You know, he would just, he was encouraging me to do what I needed to do to take care of my body. And that was what everybody was doing. Nobody was talking about themselves. Oh, I'm so tired guys. I'm so beat up. I was all about how are you doing? And that was to this day is a Pinnacle of my athletic career that those 5 days. And I honestly, no one's going to believe this, but I didn't care anymore if we broke the world's record. I didn't. We did. We end up doing it, but in that moment, I'm thinking to myself, this is it. This is what this is what I was trying so hard for. You know, I chased this like idea of the only time I'm going to be accepted. I'm going to accept myself or I'm going to be accepted as an elite athlete, a winner. If it's a gold medal, if it's a world record, you start to realize no one gives a shit. It doesn't matter about that. What it matters is about is that when you step off that boat or when you cross that finish line, that you know that you led the team in the right way and that you gave everything that you had.
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"This guy's ten years younger than me. And so I'm a little worried about his young maturity kind of thing, but from that first phone call, just wants to know. How are we going to do an 8 months that the rest of the teams that we're going against are taking two years to prepare for? It was just process process process. And I understood what Angus was saying at that moment. Meanwhile, you're in California and they're both in Great Britain. This is this is something that we're having to discuss. How much time are we really going to be able to spend together? Yeah. So I wanted to get another American, you know, if we got three guys here, now we've got two, two of them are in the UK and then I've got myself here in the U.S. and so I'm really trying to stay having the same problems of the year before I'm trying to round out this team and be in very, very careful. And guy wrote a vesper with Matt Brown. Very intelligent guy on top of being a great railroad at Yale. Then wrote at Oxford. So an intelligent guy and by the way, wrote also like a beast. I forgot to mention also a ginormous human being who can bend an ore when he's putting it in the water. But I think the thing that really attracted me to him was that it sounds weird. He just lost that Olympic trials. So here we are, you know, in the summer he didn't qualify for the men's single. That's the toughest one. You're by yourself. And that's why the way that's a trials, but anyone can enter that. Rich you could enter it. Next year and go and try to do the open mic. And you'll have to get out of the heats. But he got all the way to files but didn't qualify. And I'm thinking to myself, this is it. He's lost right now. He's rudderless, no pun intended. He's trying to figure out, like, what am I going to do? This has been my dream, and now it's over. And he's probably at the same crossword. Do I go another four years? But he's got like two year old at home. He's married with a two year old. I mean, so as this is what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna offer him this something else. And that's why I did I called them. And as he said to me, he's like, he didn't have to finish the sentence I'm in. And it wasn't an I'm in because I'm naive and I don't understand this stuff. He had been following me and my race the year before, and this guy was no stranger to hard work. And no stranger to be in an underdog. He came from, you know, from nothing, you know, and built himself up to having a first rate education through working hard. So that was our team. And all of a sudden, now we've got a team. Yeah. And taking everything that you would learn the year prior and these kind of lessons about teamwork and leadership and what went wrong before and how to course correct that. How do you then approach this group of guys as a leader to get their heads around what you guys are going to try to tackle also while you're all dispersed all over the place? Yeah, that was the big, that was a big problem to solve for. And we've got very little time and I just, you know, I'm always heartened back to this idea that Tom and I had. Like, how do I recreate that feeling that we had during those moments of breakfast without actually saying, okay, guys, we're gonna do this breakfast thing because it has to be organic. And I'm just realizing that, you know, it's nice as it was to have one other guy that you were kind of leveraging his human emotion. He in turn was doing that to you. Wouldn't it be nice if it was for the hulk boat, you know? And then I really didn't stop there. I think like, well, we should include our family members, you know, like our wives and girlfriends. And, you know, our extended family. And our friends and our neighbors, I was like, if we created a community of people that once we got to the boat and we started rowing, we felt were relying on us then that would be a strong motivator in there. And so that's what I did. I just basically started to create a community. So we wrote and we got bigger and stronger and we rode together, but we went out there. They came out our way and we just spent a lot of time together as a team. And it was, it was rowing, but it was also dinners. It was drinks, I was meeting each other's wives and girlfriends and spending time with them. You know, it was, but was brotherhood. It was fraternity at that point, building this sense of community. And then it was, if anybody in our family group, our friend group, our neighbors wanted a job on this team. They wanted to be part of this team. We'd find something for them to do. Something we needed done. So that when they did it, they felt they were part of the narrative. So you go fast forward to, we're at the start line with, you know, we're back at la gomera, the start line a year later, and it feels different. You know, it feels like there is a lot more riding on this. And I go back to that thing where glory gets you the start line, but shame gets you through the finish. There was this idea of feeling that we had a lot of people that were. That we're looking up to us to do this to finish the narrative that they were a part of. And that was a strong motivator and something again that I was kind of learning in its entirety for the first time that you've got people that are not saying, you know, do this or else, but are saying that I'm part of this story. I'm passing the baton to you and how now it's up to you guys finish this story, finish the unfinished.
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"They knew how to read the ocean and weather patterns and they understood tides and they understood whether they understood that world. They spent those two years of training, teaching themselves to be better rowers, whereas this first row for us, we were these kind of elite level rowers. It had to teach themselves. What it was like to be on an open ocean. How you're navigating. How do you do that in the middle of the night? Exactly. So you're dealing with an underappreciated how crucial that was to the success of the entire affair. Exactly. So when you've never done open ocean before you're thinking, okay, I rode for two hours, which I can do that. I've done that on the rowing machine plenty of times. And then I rest for two hours and that's nice. I tell you how naive I was. I am a pretty avid reader. And I brought like 7 books with me. I thought I was gonna be able to read on my off time. I was like, this will be great. A real hard, and then I'll just be in the cabin reading. Well, I didn't get one sentence in because first of all, the first week you can't look at a book you're so seasick you're gonna throw up. I was like, there's the last thing you have time for is to read. This is how naive I was. And I still have those books on my shelf and I love looking on the making a lot because you got these nice books with these great bindings and then you can see these ones that have just been so they're all wrinkled up and stuff like that. And read them there. I read them when I got home. That's hilarious, man. Yeah, and also on top of that, on top of the navigation, it's like picking your route. What's your line? Yeah. You're not going to go straight line, first of all. So there's two things with routing that you're going to have to deal with. One is the overall route, the 3000 mile crossing that you're going to have to deal with. You can't go by way of the crow flies because you're going to have to follow. You want to follow the currents in the tides and when you get out and then the wind, the prevailing winds. So that doesn't often mean straight line. It usually means some kind of a J shape. And then the other thing is, when you're out there, you're making constantly making changes to your route because you're avoiding storms or you have to go through storms, you have to go north of them, south women, and you're not a sailboat or a motorboat that's going 15, 20 knots. You're a, you know, if you're lucky going three to four knots. So you're not gonna be able to avoid storms you're just gonna try to get yourself in a position to not be in them for very long. So you're having to make all these routing decisions and you know, they don't have we took classes on routing basic routing, like how to read your GPS and how to use the tools and instruments on your boat to your advantage. But, you know, the only the only real way to learn is to be out there doing it. Yeah. There's no substitute for experience with that, right? Like being in the ocean and just having that tactile feel for what's the right thing to do. Exactly, you know? Exactly. And that's kind of like we're I feel like Angus is like the dude when it comes to this. Yeah. I mean, to this day, I would say, some people get mad at me. I say he is the greatest ocean rower out there today in the world. I mean, he is proven it. Right. So in your first Atlantic crossing, you saw what he was capable of and what you just you're like, I need that guy on my team now. Well, his team, his boat, British boat wins that year. They set the record. No, they win the year. They won the race that year, so this is 2015 16 at the same time, Tom and I are out there. They win the race. They set the course record but fall short of the world record. By a day or so. How is there a difference between the course record in the world record? Because you don't have to enter this Atlantic campaigns as the race and it's a fantastic race. Well organized, they do a fantastic job, but there's a lot of teams that don't want to do the race. They don't do anything. They push off. In fact, before Atlantic campaigns became the organized event that it is today. That's how people were doing it. They were just going on their own. How long is that event been around? It's been around for a while. It's been around for a while. I think it was taken over by its current ownership. I want to say ten years ago. My genre named karsten great guy did such a fantastic he's done so much for the sport. And organizing it this. But I think this race has been going on since like 96. So you've got the course record, but then you've got the world record in the world record was at that point set by a team that went independent. Because what they're doing is they're going to wait for that perfect set to come in. Right. And then they're going to push off. They go when the weather is right, not when the gun goes off. And exactly. And the race for safety's sake requires certain things, which adds weight to the bone, you know? A life raft, which is essentially the weight of another human being. 60 days worth of food for 5 people. That's a lot of food. If you're not, if you're not expecting it to be, if you want to try to break a world record, you don't think you're going to be out there for 60 days. But you have to carry that way out there for half that. You're carrying double the food. Exactly. Yeah. Or even more because that's where representing 5000 calories per person per day. And for the first week, you're not consuming that much because you're sick. So no matter what you're getting seasick, everyone's getting seasick, is there something that comes with experience where you get less seasick or you're able to Dodge that? I think yeah, I think with experience, you'll know how to handle it better and you'll know what your body needs to do to kind of eliminate some of the.
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"Know who's going to get picked, but my name gets called. We row. We get switched. I win, and he just pulls his little bullhorn out. Says from now on, Jason's in the top boat, he won it. And I was probably one of the best days of my rowing career and I went back to him and I just said, I appreciate that. That you took the time. He said, I knew I was gonna do it, but I couldn't tell you because I didn't want to give you an advantage over your teammate. When you knew you were going to see race that day. And he said you deserved it and, you know, and I was able to make it there. But that was largely because the team that I had spent the last two years with day in and day out. You know, I'd grown to love they've grown to love me and there was a palpable feeling when I got moved into the boat and those guys looked behind me. Let's go Jay right now. So then how far do you end up taking this? I take it, you know, when a couple gold melts a nationals a silver and a bronze, these kinds of things doing well, but didn't qualify for Beijing Olympic trials for 2008. I mean, some guys did on our team and I just wasn't one of those guys. How does the selection process work for the Olympics in rowing? There's two ways to get selected and rowing. One is to make the national team. There's certain boats in the Olympics where the national team coach simply selects the crew that's going to be in that boat. So it's called a selection boat. So you have to be on the national team. And the men's 8, for instance, is a selection boat, at least it was when I was there. I still think it is. In which case the national team coach will say, all right, these are the guys that are going to the Olympics. Yeah. That's got to be controversial because that's highly subjective. I think a lot of people wish that it was all the other way, which is what's called the trials boat. So the rest of the other boats that aren't selection boats are trials. It's like the U.S. open. Anybody can enter. You go to the open trials and you race and if your team wins, your crew wins, you go. And at that point, I was in my best chance was in immense double. So myself and my teammate Mike Ross. And we rode pretty much all summer together to try to try to try to be able to qualify. But we didn't qualify. We were, it was going to be a long shot at best anyway for us. Mike's a very good rower. Came from Marietta a very good rowing school, incredibly gifted rower. But and we were so hot and cold all the time. Sometimes we win a race by a landslide modern times we won't even get out of the heat. So we just weren't able to qualify and it's still to this day. I think I just didn't have enough time. I'm still, you know, this is my third year of rowing at this point. You know, I mean, some people, the last Olympics, I wasn't, he didn't even know what rowing was when people were in the last Olympics. Right. So you get that far, but are you thinking, all right, I'm in it for the next four years for 2012 or you're going to stick it out for that? Or how does that play out? Yeah, that was the crossroads, you know? And I'm trying to make that decision. And you know, I put so much into it and not that I expected to go. I did. I was a long shot, the entire time. It just, you know, I was small, I was an experience compared to these guys, but the thought of being another four years. You know, training and Philly, putting off my career, you know, it was just it seemed too much. And so I'm not sure if like 100% I made the right decision, but my decision was to be done so I retired. Right. So with that, it kind of goes back to how I opened this, which is you're this guy who has a lot of athletic talent. You've got a lot of drive. You've demonstrated extreme potential. You've had some success. But there's this sense of unfinished business. So you can go become a civilian, but you're walking around sort of like a ticking time bomb because there's this thing inside of you that is yearning to come out. Yeah, and it's just, you know, I move back to California, you know? And that's what it is. It's a restlessness begins to kind of set in and this permanent restlessness is just a hard thing to cope with. And I remember I'm not home for more than, I don't know, four or 5 months, and I decided to go travel, so I leave pretty much traveling off and on for another year going to Europe and all these other places. You know, I just, I'm trying to find that thing. And in the end, I was trying to just settle down permanently, but I think it was just an intermission, you know? Was there an awareness? What is the relationship between the hardcore national team, Olympic caliber rowers? And this whole other culture of ocean rowing. Because yes, one's going to feed the other. But they don't really intersect. I mean, they're very different disciplines. So is it looked down upon? Is it revered? How does that interplay between those two cultures work? Well, I think they're actually just now starting to blend in more with open ocean rowing coming into the Olympics and becoming more of an international sport. So is open ocean rowing in the Olympics. It's going to become an Olympic sport. Not Transocean rowing, but open ocean rowing where you're going distances in location. And that's exciting for the sport, and that is now starting you're starting to see a blend. So now you're starting to see flat water rowers or sprint rowers collegiate and elite level rowers start to think about transitioning in to open ocean. When I started open ocean rowing, there was there was really no we were the overlapping. That was the big idea, right? Here, I'm going to take everything I know about athleticism and apply it to this world that needs an upgrade. You know, like we're going to approach this from an elite athlete perspective. Exactly. Versus like a salty, sea worthy rogue kind of veteran, ocean row guy perspective. Exactly. And so I would say at the time that I was starting to do ocean rowing and doing exactly what you said, I would say that each of the different practices look down on the other one. So I think flat water rowers, the world that I was coming from, said, no, that's where you go when you don't make it. Or you're not, you know, you're just going to use the one skill that you have, which is endurance to try to win, but you're not going to be able to put the skill into it. Well, the open ocean rower said the opposite. They said, where did rowing come from? Well, it came from open ocean. I mean, the first rowers were the Vikings, you know? Everyone thinks of traditional rowing as flat water rowing that we see in the Olympics. That's not what it was. What it was, was big boats, rowing, just great distances in the ocean. And then it was people faring. Viking ship. Yeah, exactly. So that's cute that you go to the Henley and row in that flat walk 2000, you know, like a couple of minutes. When you really want to understand what rowing is like, come on over here. That's exactly what it was. And we'll see what you really are made of. So I'm all sun. I've got my foot in both camps and I'm not being. But you had to sort of learn the hard way. The ultimate truth where these salty dogs were coming from. Exactly. And so where they were spending a majority of their times and look, these salty sailors, they knew how to read the ocean and weather patterns and they understood tides and they understood whether they understood that world..
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"Now, one of the things is to find out who as an individual is faster in a rowing boat, you wrote two boats for a length of time called two minute side by side. You measure the distance that they got from each other. You record that distance, the coach as well. Then you take one person from each boat, you swap them, and you roam again, the same distance, and you see what the change was. That's how you find out how the individual is adding to the speed of the boat. And Don, and that's called seat racing. And Don would never lose a seat race. Never. This guy, no matter who he is going against, he would always beat him. And I said, how do you always win the seat races? He says, oh, I just set the boat up. I barely roll out everyone else for me. And that was when I started to understand this idea that if everybody that the book you're going into loves respects you, feels they owe you something. They will win the race for you. And that's what he was doing. He was the guy that would row extra mileage at the end of practice because someone needed some extra work, always be the guy spotting at the gym, picking up from the bars. If you were, you know, you're out a little late, not letting the coach know. All these kinds of stuff he was a players player, right? He earned that trust in that loyalty over time. And it was amazing. And the that was measurable out on the water. That's an interesting thing that you can measure his loyalty by the distance you would put between his boat and the boat that was behind him that he just got out of. And that was my first little insight into what it meant to be a real leader. Yeah. So you're getting this masters in geology, but really what you're doing is you're getting it's sort of like I got a master's degree and everything I needed to know about team building and leadership while sitting on a rowboat. Exactly, right? That's exactly right. That's the title of your next book. Right? So you go, you go back to vsepr, and what's the goal like the Olympics? What's the yeah, I think everyone's going to a place like vsepr as an elite is to make the national team or the Olympics or both. And so that's why you're there. I mean, if you're not there for that reason you probably not going to last very long. But you know, again, my second question other than that, what is there? Because it's not like you're making any money doing that. You know, you're out of college and this is your life. Yeah, I mean, that is what it is. I think there's sometimes you'll see a guy who come from a pretty prestigious school and you'll think, well, this guy's serious, he's gonna be a force. And then he's just not that good. You can realize that his heart's not in it. You know, maybe he just wants to continue to live in out the glory days of his collegiate rowing, and he doesn't make it that long. Coach will cut him fast because he just, the demand on your time and on your body is just too much to not have something like the Olympics or the national team in your sites. So yeah, we're all there. The guys are on the year round team are there for that reason. And it's a brotherhood. It's a fraternity at that point. And we're living in these, you know, this old historic boathouse anyway, and that's where practicing every day. And so it's a fraternity. And so with the endgame is that some of us will make it in some of us will not. So how does this play out for you? Well, I spent about three years there. You know, go from this obscure baseball player slash rower who probably shouldn't even be there, move my way up into the second boat. And finally, make my way into the first boat. And for me to do that, I mean, that's some pretty incredible progression for somebody who's still pretty new to the sport. Yeah, thank you. A couple of years to go from a guy who it's almost like they were doing a favor to let you kind of tag along to being in the number one boat. Yeah, no, that's one of my prouder moments is making that team. And, you know, I worked hard to get there, and I think, you know, McGill took a chance on me because by accepting me on that team, somebody else didn't get accepted. And that person had probably been rowing a lot longer than me is probably a lot faster than me on the water. But Michael saw something, and I mean, I'm not going to argue with that because I felt that first time I did not feel I deserve to be there, but the second summer I did. Because I learned so much. And so I worked my way up over the last two and a half years to getting that top boat. And I remember the frustration of my last summer there trying to get into that first boat and mikhil. Was the coach of the women's team there too. That year they had a women's lightweight double that was going to world championships, so he was focusing on them a lot. And so he had another one of the coaches. Collegiate coach running our day to today practices. He pop in a few times a week and run the practices, but for the most part, we had to answer to this guy. And I would be seat raced. I'd be switched when every one of my seat races and I'd still won the lineups came up the next morning. It would not be in that top boat and I was just getting pissed. And now I'm Friends with these guys, you know, I'm close with everybody. And at this particular summer, that's when they infuse it with the summer kids. These are kids that are still at universities. Princeton's Harvard jails. And I'm beating this Princeton guy. Every time for this seat and every time when the line comes in the next day, I'm not in the boat and he is. And I gotten close to make you over the last couple of years, but when I was afraid to ask him, but I called on a favor I went into his office. I said, I'm frustrated. I deserve to be in that top vote on faster. The team knows I'm faster. The year round guys all think, you know, you should be in that boat. But I'm not in it, I'm winning. And I said, I just like to see if I'm not asking for you to put me in. I'm asking for you to watch a seat race. And I remember saying he says, I'm busy. We'll see. And it wasn't really the response I was looking for. So I was like, okay, that maybe not. Then I felt bad. But the next morning, he's there, and he comes to the morning workout. He says, all right, I'm going to be running seat racing. And he says, so let's get out the boats. Here's the lineup we're going. So he's in the launch with the coach it was coaching us that summer. And we.
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"It's got to happen right now. Yeah. Okay. Back to the show. Well, let's spend a few minutes there and maybe this is a good time to take it back a little bit because I'm interested in that internal drive that you had. As somebody who had been successful as an athlete, but had never really had the victories that you saw it, right? Like it was always like you were the guy who came in second or had an opportunity to do something great, but something would happen and you wouldn't quite connect with it. So there's this kind of cauldron inside of you. This sense that you have something to express and yet kind of repeated frustrations with your ability to execute on that. Yeah, as wall full of silver medals as I like to call it, that's really what I felt like I was to include where we are here on this story of finishing this first row. It's just, you know, played baseball in high school, play it played in college. Got injured. I was a left handed pitcher. Even before that, started in a way, but let's take it back to your dad, because I feel like your dad your dad put some heat on you. This guy was expecting some exceptionalism out of you. Yeah, my dad was him and I work close and still are very, very close. But he was a guy that took you by your word if you said you wanted to do something if you said you wanted to be a professional baseball player. He's like, even if you said it at 7 years old, he wasn't placating you. He's like, okay, you said it, now. Now we're gonna now we're gonna see what you're really made of. Thank goodness I didn't say I want to be an astronaut because I think you would put me through it. You know, that kind of training, but you know, being a ball player himself growing up, this was his Wheelhouse. And so it was I felt as a child constantly proving that I was doing what was necessary to be the best. And, you know, if I wasn't showing it on the ball field, then I wasn't doing it off the field to make it happen. You know, there's no such thing as a bad game. It was just ill prepared. And so yeah, there was a lot of pressure and even going into college and playing. There was an expectation there. And I wasn't meeting those expectations. And even the injury to be fair, to be very honest, and we're being honest here is that it was probably there was a little relief. You know, there was a there was a relief when that injury happened. And I could have gotten the surgery and believe me and my dad wanted me to he said, you get the surgery, you take a year off, you rehab, and then you go back in. Yeah. You have the Tommy John elbow thing, right? Just the torn tendon. And it was like, I remember him being so surprised when I said, I need time to think about whether I'm going to get this surgery. And, you know, because we got the MRI results at that day, and he says, there's nothing to think about. You get it. And you pursue your dreams at all costs. And while I agree with that mentality, I just don't think I was in the right sport. I didn't know it at the time. And I was told I loved baseball and I was passionate about the sport, but I realized now that I liked baseball. But when I got into rowing, I realized what love was. You needed that backdoor exit. I did, and I took it and you know? And again, these are all things that you process later in life, you know, because when I hurt myself in baseball, I was in my mid 20s and I know anything. But so how is dad when he said, I'm not getting the surgery? Yeah, he would not happy. And, you know, we didn't talk for a little while too, 'cause I remember specifically, you know, it wasn't a fufu and having a blow and I slam the door and go back to college and never talk to him again, but it was just like all of a sudden, you know, we just didn't pick up the phone to call each other. That wasn't that is dramatic. It's just because I remember because I got a younger brother and, you know, his birthday's in September. And I remember going home for that, this is the first year back not playing baseball. So no mistake. And I got into rowing since then because school started in August. I got recruited by the rowing coach. I'm loving it. I find I'm pretty good at it. And I remember going to that family birthday little pool party and tell my dad like I got into ronin. This is the first time I'm telling him this. So I know we didn't talk for a while. And it took him a long time to get on board, but to his credit he did, but I'll tell you what. He didn't know what was going on the first little side note. He didn't know what was going on the first regatta because first of all, my mom is always championing me because I'm only kid and she's, you know, annoyingly optimistic about everything. First of all, she's always late to everything. So she went from a sport that takes three hours to Plato sport that takes 6 minutes to complete. I feel like missed my first three regatta showed up too late missed him..
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"Your family, your community, being more afraid of letting them down than you are the elements and you are dying than you are of being scared of getting drenched that night. And that shame is what gets what got us through. And what I call later, it's because shame is not a great word to be using because it's that kind of leveraging of human emotion. And that's what we did. We leverage each other's human emotional way that we were more afraid of letting each other down, then we were of the elements. Yeah. At the same time, you also had to find a way to be of mutual support to each other. So you have this experience where you're rowing and Tom's like, what do you want for breakfast? That feels like it was sort of an inflection point in terms of how you guys were going to inter relate to each other and support each other, but even more broadly, a lesson in regards to teamwork and leadership, generally. Yeah, it was a huge point that we didn't notice then. It wasn't until afterwards that we realized how pivotal that moment was because we had been wrong for about 5 or 6 days by ourselves. And we're still doing two hours onto ours off by the way. But instead of being with somebody on deck, you're by yourself. Yeah. So you're rowing two hours while the other guys getting some sleep and one of the cabins. And then you're rotating. So there's all this kind of solitude. I mean, just think about 5 days of we're chatting with each other every two hours just in passing, you know? And so we get pounded by this storm. It's just relentless, and this is where you start to think that the oceans out the get you. And so for three days, we just get pounded by this storm. And I'm going to be honest with you, like, at the end of the third day, I just, I want to quit, I do. I want to quit, and I'm mad that I allowed us to stay out there and I feel guilty for convincing Tom to stay out there because he's not doing well. And, you know, that's where we have this kind of, without hope or agenda, this breakfast moment where he's about to come on his shift, it's like, I like the 6 a.m. to 8 a.m. shift and he's about to come on that shift and get ready at 8. And instead of coming on, he's just asked me what I'd want for breakfast. And I remember at that moment being upset with him for asking such an insensitive question because up to this point, kind of the guy that was coming on shift would kind of offer the words of encouragement empathy. And you know, that's what I was living for at my lowest moment, probably my whole life at this moment is my lowest. I'm thinking the dark thoughts of wishing I could quit and I wonder if there's a boat close enough and that's what I'm thinking. I can't get those thoughts out of my head. And he asked what I want for breakfast and I kind of just play along with it a little bit and just tell them what my favorite freeze dried meal, which is the chicken risotto and he says, well, I like the spaghetti bolognese. And we're having this conversation says you want me to make you some coffee, and I'm like, yeah, sure, you know? He's like, do you want me to put that powdered hazelnut creamer? And I love that stuff. So I said, yeah, sure. And he makes a deal. This is the deal he makes me. He says, if you wrote an extra ten minutes, like I'll make some food for you. And I'm aware at this point, this is ten minutes of his shift. Yeah. Very vulnerable. Yeah, and I'm like a little bit like where's he going with this? Yeah. But, you know, I hate making the food, and he knows that. I don't like to do the jet boil. I'd rather put the muscle into the oars. And, you know, he'd rather cook than roe. So I make the deal and sure enough after some time he says, I got some food for you and we turn around and I stop rowing. And again, we don't even we're not trying to this isn't planned. But I pull the origin and we just have that breakfast together and something really dramatic takes place kind of like a subtle but dramatic shift in kind of the mentality of the boat. We just, we just hang out. We're just two buddies at that point, sharing stories of what's happened to us the last three nights because we've been by ourselves and we're kind of desperate to share with somebody, you know? So we just kind of talk and all of a sudden, we could be, we could be at home, you know, talking in one of our living rooms or something like that. There was this comfort that washed over us. And from that was 30 minutes or whatever. And then we went back on to our ships, but from that moment on for the next 41 days we always did breakfast. It was just something that we could look forward to. And again, didn't know it at the time, looking back, it was just a way for us to kind of re answer the question why we were doing this. It's like, had that glory idea at the beginning, that is not going to get you through. No one. You don't care anymore. The people are excited for you to finish. It's just not pulling you through. But I share a shake care that the guy that's sitting 20 feet away from me is going through a tough time. And if I could just row a little harder for him on this shift and he comes out and he sees that I put four miles in instead of three. That'll make him happy. And he'll want to do the same 'cause you won't want to let me down. So it was just his back and forth for the next 41 days of just trying to live up to the other person. And it was just the anti just kept getting higher and higher. Yeah, yeah. And breakfast was a way to kind of realign ourselves every 24 hours. I mean, if you're just ships passing in the night and the only exchange that you have is when one's getting off the chair and the other one's getting in, you're not going to be in sync. Like you've got to be aligned, emotionally and check in with each other when you're working towards this goal, otherwise there's no way. I mean, the ship would quite literally capsize. Yeah, it's exactly what it was and that kind of realignment was in that breakfast was our way of just kind of realigning ourselves and kind of reminding ourselves of why we're doing this by looking someone else in the face that you can see in the last 24 hours, beat you to shit. You can see it in his face. You know, he could see it in mind. And I was so proud of him, you know? Because Tom is, you know, to this day, my close friend, we work together. But.
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"And, you know, that was kind of the mental prep I was talking about just he was not willing to make the crossing. And you know, to his credit, he was rowing his shifts all the way through. So when we had to get an evacuation where Nick is being evacuated a week into this row, Brexit saw the opportunity to also leave and took it. Yeah, even though he was healthy, he's like, I'm out of here. Yeah. Exactly. That one good. So he was he was, you know, he was scared and it's scary out there and he was he saw this opportunity because at this point we're anchoring. So we're not even moving we're anchoring for two days waiting for the sailboat to basically cover the distance that we had covered over the last week to come up to us. It's going to take them to a two days. So we're anchoring 600 miles off the coast of Africa, watching the last two days, we know the boats are just getting further and further away from us. Knowing that I know I'm staying. So, you know, right. But this idea going into it that you're aiming to win, you're aiming to break the world record. And suddenly you're in close to last place, anchored, two guys getting carried off. Your boat onto a safety sailboat. I mean, the scene in the documentary of getting those guys off the boat and onto the sailboat was unbelievable. It was much more harrowing than I would have thought like that would be. Yeah, it was dramatic. I mean, we've got two guys that are leaving, but you've got a sailboat. It's, you know, 5 times the size of our little rowboat, trying to, you know, collect to people, one of which can barely even move his arms. He's so sick from the sea, the open sea, so you know, we're having to drop them in with their lifejackets on, but they have to pull them in with a rope and a one point we lost the guy who was sick, he couldn't hold on. Nick, and he was just drifting out there. And as you probably saw on the dock, he was interviewed afterwards and said that was the only time in his life he's ever been scared and you saw him fighting back those tears as he's watching the film for the first time. So he's just bringing him right back to where it was. And this is, as I've said many times before, some of the most tenacious athletes I've ever met. I mean, this guy was nails. And just broke him. Just broke him. I mean, that's what the ocean does. So suddenly, your format boat turns into a tube man vote. And then you and Tom decide like, all right, well, we're just going to keep going. Just the two of us. Yeah. It was not as easy as we're just going to keep going. Tom took some convincing. I knew I wasn't going to leave and Tom's one of my closest friends. He was in our wedding. This is a guy I've worked with for years and my last pick on the team, by the way, because you saw from the dogs, not a big guy, and he's tall, he's skinny as trouble putting on weight and muscle. And he looks by the end of the thing. He looks like a marathon runner. Yeah, yeah. He does. And he's just, he couldn't lose any more weight than he had already lost. I mean, it was starting to get really kind of that's why he's having back problems by the end of it and stuff it. I think it was just, I mean, I think that that row was eating into his muscle and tendons and stuff, but you know, he wasn't sure he wanted to stay right away, but he finally got convinced. And so, you know, he stayed on and once the evacuation, I just have this vivid memory of just seeing that boat sailing off, literally into the horizon, heading to the Verde islands. And we're just getting smaller, and we're just bobbing. We haven't started running. We're just the boat's just bobbing up and down. And we're seriously trying to figure out what is our, like, what is our strategy here? We're 2400 miles away from the finish. We're in a boat made for four or 5 people. Now going to be road by two. Yeah, and your goals are out the window. So you need something else to kind of anchor your focus. Yeah, what was that motivator? And I think we had a conversation about it, and I think what we decided was to prove everyone wrong because there were people that said, we have a responsibility to get off the boat as well because this can't be done with just two people. You know, this set is both meant for four or 5 people. This is just this is a responsible. And you're putting other competitors at risk, because if you do need a second rescue, that means resources diverted away from somebody else's boat. They needed help. Yep. If one of the safety boats is closest, they're going to have to divert their route to get to us, which could strand other boats. Also, maritime law requires that any other vessel out there, even if it's a big shipping freighter that has the ability to rescue us and is close, must divert their route to come. And so there were people saying, it's inevitable that that's going to happen. So you're going to just you're going to waste time and resources and money from somebody. So it was a responsible for us to stay on. I never once saw it that way, and when you choose a life of adventure and endurance rowing, you're constantly going to have to convince people that what you do is not irresponsible and selfish, even up to a certain extent it is. But that's my big, that's my big argument. So what is gonna get us through? Because one of the things that and this is we're talking about lessons learned from this first crossing is one of the ones I learned is that glory kind of takes you to that start line. You know, the thought of doing something that no one else is done and you get these pats on the back when people hear that you're gonna do this and you've got sponsorship that's behind you and a charity that's behind you. And all of a sudden you're feeling pretty good about yourself. But that glory will not get you to the finish. When you were bobbing up and down in a boat with just you and one other guy, 600 miles off the coast of Africa with 2400 miles ago, those pats on the back and all that stuff, that is not what's going to get you across. And we spent too much time kind of soaking that and not enough time trying to understand what gets somebody across an extremely difficult distance such as an ocean. And what I found out is, it's shame. It is being more afraid of letting down your teammate who's in the boat, your family who's rooting for you, your charity, your sponsors, your Friends,.
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"Another moment we will not, this is me and Jason Caldwell. Doing a thing. Nice to meet you, man. Thanks for doing this. Oh, wow. It's a pleasure. This is an honor for me, so thank you. Lots to unpack here before we get into anything though, man. I gotta know how the body's healing up. How are you feeling? You look like you put some weight back on, so I trust that it's all going well. Yeah, I'll take that as a compliment. But yeah, what are we like 5 weeks since I have 6 weeks since I did it? So I'm largely better. First week is nasty 'cause you're learned to walk again, you've lost 20 plus pounds. And then you put the way back on the hands hurt. Tons of tendonitis, so that was probably the last thing to come back. But other than that, I started training, working out last two weeks. That's been good. I still have a little bit of numbness in some of my fingers, like if I do that, I can still feel that go down just from the constant pulling. But you have that every time, right? It comes back. Yeah, yeah, for the most part. A couple of these fingers are taking a little while, so it's a little. So 20 pounds you lost. I think you lost 40 pounds in the Atlantic row, right? Yeah, I think I lost more than that on this one. They had me stepping on a scale at the beginning that was in kilos and another one in Hawaii that was in pounds. I don't really sure. But I would say like probably was probably closer to 30, but definitely not as much as the Atlantic. Do you do like blood work and stuff to figure out where you're at specifically before and after? Yeah, I have and we did on this one. In fact, we were working with a company that was wanted to do blood work and take blood samples the whole way, the whole way through so they could analyze it afterwards because when are they going to get a chance to kind of analyze the blood composition of this type of endurance adventure? But the thing is, we could get bought out of our fingers out there. I'm not even sure what this is is either massive dehydration, but I prick my finger. I'm sitting in a cat little tiny cabin like rocking back and forth. I'm like, I can't get a noble. One little drop, which wasn't enough. And so I don't know. It's weird. Yeah, I mean, just trying to wrap my head around what goes into an endeavor like this is mind-blowing. As I mentioned to you before the podcast started, I watched a documentary this morning. And I thought I had a sense for the kind of challenges that you would face and have to endure. Just being wet all the time and the sleep deprivation and just what it's like to be on that boat. But to see all the footage that you had, and this was chronicling your Atlantic adventures. But just all the sores on your hands and the sores on the feet and what happens to the seat and how much your ass has heard. It just sounds so awful. You know? And I can't remember which teammate of yours like you showing how his hands turn into claws and you would pry your fingers open and then they would just close again, no matter what you would do and the numbness that you get in your fingers and the fact that after this, you truly can't walk. There's a lot of I think it's you where your calves look like your legs look like sticks. Yeah. So your lats are huge, your shoulders are huge. Your chest muscles kind of atrophy. It all goes away. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you've nailed it. It's just become so singular. So you trained for a year or two for this thing and you train all parts of your body and you're doing crotches and swimming and trail running on top of all the rowing. But then in the end, it's pushing with your legs and pulling with your back. So the chest goes, the calves go. You take three steps to your rowing seat every two hours and then three steps back to the cabin, right after that. That's it. And that's it. So then you just lose the ability to walk. So I mean, like most endurance sports, they ruin your body. It's not a healthy thing to do. You get healthy so that you can go ahead and let yourself get broken down. You build yourself back up. What are the biggest differences between rowing the Atlantic versus rowing the Pacific? Yeah, this is this has been something I've been thinking a lot about. I mean, right off the bat, the Pacific seemed more violent. The water's colder, the highs were higher, the lows were lower. So that first week in the Pacific was just coming off of the continental shelf was just brutal. We should just say you started. You started in San Francisco and you end up in Waikiki, basically. Exactly. And it's like 2100 nautical miles, something like that. 24, 24, okay. Give me those extra 300. All right. Yeah, so it's just it just seems a lot more violent like the sea was moodier and then the second thing that was obvious. And I'm rolling with two of my teammates had run the Atlantic as well, you know. So we all had a good comparison. And it was just constantly changes. The Atlantic is consistent. I mean, as consistent as an ocean can be. Sometimes you get good weather in the Atlantic for three, four days at a time where it's just that same consistency you've got nice little swells that you're surfing down. You've got good winds, you know, and you've got kind of the same sea state and the Pacific was like every two hours it seemed to change. It was like, in some ways, it was nice because if you had bad weather, it's like, well, I wait two hours. It'll change. It might get worse, might get better, but at least it'll be different. So that was the Pacifica was just rougher, more violent, less consistent. So I think that that was what was apparent to all of us as we started rowing. It's interesting to hear you say that because in watching the documentary, which chronicles your two Atlantic crossings, it doesn't look like the Atlantic is consistent. It looks like it's throwing everything at you all at the same time, where it's constantly shifting. Yeah, and it's all relative. There's not really anything such thing as consistency and the ocean. You're in this huge body of water. And you're pretty sure that at that point, you're personifying the ocean. I mean, you're giving it human characteristics because it seems like it's out to get you. So whenever you get in too comfortable, it's changes it up on you. And we certainly had our fair share of that in both the Atlantic crossings you saw in the Doc. But the Pacific was just it was just this idea of, you know, we have this world record that we're trying to break. We've got a teammate that's never done an ocean before, but even with that, we've got 7 ocean crossings between three of us and that's by far the most experienced team. So you've got this idea where there's nothing that we haven't seen. You know? And so the Pacific will be different, but it won't be it won't be dramatically different. We won't be shocked by anything. That was wrong. We were absolutely shocked by stuff out there. Well, there's so many threads to pull here. There's the endurance piece. There's the training piece. There's the mindset piece. How do you get your head around doing something like this? All the experience that you bring to bear to put yourself in good stead to accomplish your goals. And there's the leadership piece and the teamwork piece, which I think is really interesting here as somebody who's really an individual athlete. I mean, there is no such thing as individual sports. Anybody who's performing at a high level, even in an individual sport, it has a team that supports them. But there's something very unique and specific to the sport of rowing that I have really learned to appreciate just in diving into your story and how crucial that combination of skill experience and camaraderie comes to play in terms of dictating whether you're going to be successful or not. 100%. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking forward to talking about the team aspect of this..
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"Great that you dirk is great that you're larry when you missed like wanted to go into that color area like just be tall. Like chain of shot blocker shot grab rebound getting beat. Utah this coaches say. We just tall. You know what i'm saying. I love steph. Curry and kevin durant stand on on the fence. I'm picking next. I'm taking the guy. His shoe has unlimited range. This high works kevin. Durant is absolutely getting it done. And when they met. Kevin durant is. We're taping this before the pivotal bucks nets game tonight where looks like both irving and hard movie out partying questionable right so harden wanna finish on durant. Don't do this too much. I'm predicting a big win. For why let me tell you why we. Pj tucker pj tucker thank. Kevin durant body was again. The call frustrating. We've seen them go nose to nose. Drain security guard got kicked out. The series not just kicked out of milwaukee got kicked out the whole series getting building anymore. You know so much durant slander over the past decade that i really feel that he can get it done not alone. You're gonna need contributions from other players in the black and white of brooklyn but at home with that crowd. I feel like kevin durant. The energy change with energy changed that whole entire game. And i feel like now there. They won't be playing. I think you're gonna see a much better. Kevin durant got to say also has been he has been getting it done and this segment is brought.