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QUICK HIT | Big Ben deserves more credit

The Stinkin' Truth with Mark Schlereth

01:29 min | 2 months ago

QUICK HIT | Big Ben deserves more credit

"It's a stinking truth podcast creek hit. Just having been rothlisburger as a couple of games anyhow maybe three games anyhow I mean he is. I don't know that ben gets the credit that Ben deserves because you know ben is sometimes you know worried about, I don't know you know getting credit for playing hurt or. Like he has a little bit of that like let me put on a size eighteen shoe and show you the my ankles or you know he I always think about I. Mean when clown? Buddha? Right. Yeah. It really looks like you click flop click flop click get bad my ankle is I had to put on US twenty two you know. So, there is that aspect but I will say this better odds Burger is tougher nails man he'd take some shots. He gets hit. He is exceptionally good throwing the ball down the football field I just I. I'm a big Ben Rothlisberger, Big Ben I'm a big Ben not big, Ben but Big Ben Rothlisberger Fan I think he's a really outstanding quarterback. Now you know they've got to develop another weapon. They've gotTA. Have you know from a receiving standpoint? They've gotTa have you guys guys step up and played better? You know they've Lost Antonio Brown who's a big threat obviously him in his trials of last year and a half. But I do think that the steelers are a much better team in in our playoff contender with rothlisberger there.

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Let's Ride: It is time for the nit picking of Ben Roethlisberger to stop

Behind the Steel Curtain

33:39 min | 6 d ago

Let's Ride: It is time for the nit picking of Ben Roethlisberger to stop

"Verizon just turned on five G. across the country with the coverage of five G. Nationwide and more and more cities. The unprecedented performance of ultra wideband the fastest five G. in the world ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album in seconds for five G. Won't just change your phone works it will change how businesses do everything. This is the five G. America's been waiting for only from Verizon Vijay Ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five G. nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period January thirty first through April thirtieth twenty twenty. Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to a Wednesday episode of Let's Ride I'm your host, Jeff Hartmann Co editor of behind the curtain dot com and I am in a mood jokes. I'M GONNA mood in I can get in moods and when I get in mood sometimes I go off on rance sometimes I laugh hysterically you can ask my wife I'm a man of many moves in I am in a mood Today. And I'll tell you why I'm in a mood to date is because of the topic, the topic is none other. Then my favorites, Pittsburgh, steeler player, the player that I have lied to has been the only Jersey that I've worn since two thousand four. That's right. You guessed it one Ben Rothlisberger, or is Brian Anthony. Davis. Calls Him Benjamin Todd Rothlisberger I threw in the accent that's what he always says. Big Ben I have always been a big Ben Fan. I will never forget. For the life of Me Okay I'm in college attended Shepherd University in Shepherdstown West Virginia actually went to Shepherd College and graduated in Jeopardy University. Got To choose. It was on my diploma. That was pretty cool. Just side share that anyways I met him in college unearthly forget in two thousand and three I'm sitting in our dorm room and my fraternities wing of the dorm rooms in our campus on campus and. We're watching ESPN two on some random Wednesday night in the fall in, we're watching Miami of Ohio play Bowling Green. In this kid from Miami Ohio is just sling in the rock around the field. I mean. It was insane in I. Remember saying to my fraternity brother who is a follower behind a steel curtain and he's a big steeler fan I said, Whoa, how awesome would it be to have this guy on the steelers? He's a that would be crazy. But at the time when we said that no one knew what was going to happen with two. Thousand and three Pittsburgh steelers no one knew that they were gonNA finish six and ten and that they would end up with the eleventh overall pick in two thousand and four NFL draft in no one knew that teams like the Cleveland browns would pass on Ben Rothlisberger that teams like the chargers and the giants would take other quarterbacks, I e Philip rivers eliminating ahead of Rothlisburger, but shockingly rothlisberger fell right into the steelers lap in since that moment. I have been a gigantic Ben Rothlisberger Fan analysis before they ben was born because you've got to remember when Rothlisberger was draft and he he didn't even come to camp on time they're trying to figure out the contract that was back before they were slotted contracts. He shows up I'll never forget the picture in the Post Gazette, which shows bill cower add at Saint Vincent with his Straw hat on shaken rothlisburger hands up near the the bleachers at Chuck Millfield and he came into camp and he did find and he was the backup and he was he was gonNA play when he took over. And the team went on that streak. Rattled off fifteen straight wins. Fifteen one record my gosh, everyone I wasn't the only one everyone was hooked. Big Ben Mania had hit Pittsburgh. When the Rothlisberger became thing it was tough to get Ben Rothlisberger Jerseys. Wife. will she was my girlfriend at the time actually bought me my first Ben Rothlisberger Jersey it's a white reebok replica. I still have to this day and it's never been washed. That's right. Got It in two thousand four and it's never been washed. So you can save what she want about that I never run around and it I've never sweaty in it never gets dirty because I never eat in it. I don't WanNa, get it dirty, but it's ever been washed and she thinks it's disgusting I never watched any of my jerseys I own a lot of Ben Rothlisberger Jersey's only jerseys that that I wear anyways. Long Story Short on a big Ben Rothlisberger Fan and there's people in our live chat. If you ever listen to the steelers preview or check us out on Youtube, you can buy youtubecom and search PTSD steelers radio. And there are some people that always joke around with me saying all jeff doesn't like Ben Rothlisberger it is just a joke because they know that I am one that will always stick up for number seven. I've. I'll probably critical of them when he deserves it but I'm always wanted to stick up for number seven and so this brings us to the actual title of this podcast in that is. My Gosh, it's time for us to stop nitpicking Denver Office. And this is not really directed to the fan base. This is more directed to the media. Especially, the mainstream media were talking ESPN CBS, Sports Fox Sports, those main media outlets, not necessarily the local Pittsburgh media outlets because obviously when they cover him every single day, it's a little bit of a different in terms of coverage but. This, all started when Meena kinds of ESPN tweeted out the other day. How Ben Rothlisberger is like the Ben Simmons? WHO's the point guard for the Philadelphia Seventy sixers in the NBA in case you didn't know who that was. He's like the Ben Simmons of the NFL. Big Guy he's great. Just doesn't throw the ball that much just kind of dings and dunks it. Her when I read that I'm like Oh. My Gosh this is unbelievable unbelievable and there's people that are like, yeah. Yeah. I totally agree totally agree there's Philly fans in how dare you compare Simmons Rothlisberger it went on and on. But I was just this is unbelievable. All people have done Roth asperger's. His entire career is nit pick the heck out of him in out of his game and I have to ask you one point is that ever going to stop? At what point are we going to say holy cow let's just take him for what he is in. That's a future hall of fame quarterback. When is it going to happen the answer that question will get to the end of the first segment I'm not sure when it's going to happen I guess but I'll give it to you later. So she's confer. She's referring to this new fangled statistic that everyone spouting off about all the time air yards how many air yards does a quarterback have meaning? How far does pass travel in the air before it gets to its intended target air yards everyone some areas like the next great analytical. The analytics it's this great stat ever. Now you know what? Like it went from passer rating to Qbr and Areas Ben rasberries like lowest air yards in the NFL who cares. I don't. I do not care. You do care about but is that stabbed that I like to care about Oh I like to care about wins I. Think the fan base likes to care about wins. Do you win the game? Yes. Channeling my inner herm Edwards you play to win the game. I don't care if Ben Rothlisberger Dinxin and dunks his way seventy five yards down the field in scores touchdowns every single time I don't care of his area arts is to yards I really don't I don't care. Or as Mike Tomlin said, we do not care because I don't think he cares either. Ben Rothlisberger has been giving has been given something from the defense in the first four games of the season. He has been basically they've been saying we'll give you the underneath. So what does he done? He's taking the underneath visit the same criticism that both quarterbacks last year Mason Rudolph in Devlin Hodges. They had the same exact criticism air yards. They're not giving enough yards and yeah I'm saying like that on purpose. Because I think it's a ridiculous statistic. I think it's more Gimme stats like completion percentage touchdowns, interceptions, and what is that number wins? I keep on forgetting that statistic at that silly little statistic you know. So the knock on him with the air yards my gosh this guy, Gimme a break. He's he's thrown ten touchdowns. One interception. No area it's all about the air yards. But it goes further than that. The nitpicking goes beyond that. People have said that he holds onto the ball too long we'll. We need to get if he needs to get rid of the ball quicker. Get it out of his hands no more backyard ben no more throwing Terrell suggs off your show off your back getting rid of whole up stiff arming hello de Nada. No, we need him to be a system quarterback. We need to be a system quarterback. Well when Todd Haley came into Pittsburgh. He became assistant quarterback. Had A lot of success. Put up some great numbers. Put up some numbers. Well, one thing he hasn't done since becoming a system quarterback is what? win a super bowl. Yeah. He won a super bowl back with Bruce Arians. In Ken wasn't hunt. When they were literally playing some backyard, ball. I gotta be honest these he is willing to change his game. He's changes game numerous times in his career and is not always the nitpicking is incredible holds the ball to Long Ben. Now this year twenty, twenty, I think he has according to pro football focus. The quickest. Time for the ball to get out of his hands in the NFL. It's two point. Two seconds gets the ball one two out of his hands. That's the quickest of anyone in the NFL with as many passes that makes them eligible for that statistic. They didn't along on the ball anymore. Air Yards again. There's people that said he's not smart enough. There's people that have criticises intelligence. Now, I with a couple writers who've covered rothlisberger is entire career. This is in the two months that I was gone from behind this Joe, curtain this summer for I came back. I came back Casey to know. And I was talking to them about Ross burn the difference between him as a rookie in his first years dealing with all that success and then comparing him to now. And they said the biggest thing is that now. He. Is a film junkie. Then he was not that he literally would. He would go to the meetings and he'd be there and get the game plan but he was going to rely on his athleticism and his knack for the big play to win games, and now he realizes that if he can be a little bit more. you know above the neck better prepared he's GonNa have his team better prepared em my gosh this there was no better example this than the game winning the game sealing in my opinion touchdown against the Philadelphia Eagles in week five. Watched that play third, nate, the touchdown, the final touchdown thrown final touchdown to Chase Klay Pool. Watch Rothlisberger before the play. Now have you twitter feed you can go down and you'll see several people. Diagnosis play is beautiful to watch the Rothlisberger he's in an empty sets go five, five, five receiving options in he's looking over a Junie sees the coverage that they are going to give him. They have everything that he wants. He tells Juju right away. You've got an out meaning. He wants him to run an out route because he's he's he's GonNa take the safety with him away from the middle of the field, and then he adjusts Klay polls route and that's where he goes crepe with the post over the Middle Ding Dong touchdown game over. Yet but he stupid you know he doesn't. He doesn't. He's not smart enough. He's not smart enough to win football games. Yeah. He's won a lot of them. By the way he's won a lot of them and a lot of them should be accredited him. Then, there's the people as to careless with the ball. He's do careless with the ball. He's a gunslinger calls himself a gunslinger. He talks about John Elway and Brett Farve they were careless with the ball we need someone in their that's GonNa, protect the ball. Well, you know Terry Bradshaw wasn't. He wasn't. He wasn't protecting the football he was careless with the ball he had a ton of turnovers in his career. Plain and simple and has been rothlisberger head games like in two thousand, seventeen in week five. I will never forget that that day he threw five six, he threw five interceptions as he had games like that. Yes. Absolutely. He has his he been willing to test defenses and really put to the test in terms of fitting the football and a small little windows in small little areas. Yes. He absolutely does every time he goes but you know what? He's done this year he's thrown ten touchdowns to one interception. Ten To One. I'll say again, ten touchdowns to one interception I will take that ratio folks. Take that ratio for the rest of the season and he'll finish with forty touchdown four picks. Yes. Sign me up. But you know what? He doesn't have enough area yards. And then there's always the off the field stuff that still gets brought up. It still gets brought up whether it's the motorcycle accident. You know because you know Terry. Bradshaw told him. He shouldn't rewriting that motorcycle told her Hey ben put that motorcycle away. To get into a motorcycle accident and there's the appendectomy that same season it was a rough year right off the super bowl and it was it was a rough part of his life, not as rough as when he was but the accusations both in Milledgeville and in vodka. There's this were black is not on Ben Rothlisberger reputation, but also the steelers organization, but they stuck by him. They stuck by because he's a heck of a quarterback. If this were some backup quarterback like Brian saint-pierre eight have been cut in an instant now. Talent trump's. In Dan has done his share of off the field stuff you know what was the most? I think the thing that hurt him the most. Off The field wise. The thing that hurt him the most was when they challenged his leadership. When you had people in this kind of started with Emmanuel Sanders when Emmanuel Sanders left Pittsburgh, he ends up going to Denver and he's with peyton manning and the broncos and he talks about Peyton manning is the greatest leader. He's ever been around that. He's wanted this type of quarterback, his whole career I mean just straight shots right into the gut of Ben Rothlisberger. The quarterback that has made his receivers a ton of money in their careers they play with Ben. He gets them the football. He makes him look really good and then because the steelers just can't keep everyone they end up hitting pay dirt elsewhere. But gotTa Punch in the Gut from Emmanuel Sanders, and then there's the whole Antonio Brown. He gets he talks his way out of town. Ben Rothlisberger never even invited me to his house. I've never been in his house before he's a horrible leader. He's not a good quarterback Blah Blah Blah when he goes to New England Tom. Brady. Is the best quarterback best-prepared I mean just gut shot after shot and then even levy on bell has the has the. As to go on a really bad espn interview talk about Ross burgers leadership there too i. mean my Gosh I have to think that was the most difficult thing to stomach. The motorcycle stuff. That's a fluke thing. Sure some would say I should have had a helmet on or. Should or should have shouldn't have been in that on the motorcycle and we all know the accusations were bad from a football player in your quarterback someone to challenge her leadership what tell you what has happened since then he definitely has changed things around as a personal family man and I spoke to reporters about this and they said Ben's a completely different guy off the field. Now when Big Ben I'm sorry when Ben Rothlisberger became Big Ben was when he was going out and partying. He was responsible. He didn't care. He was bigger than everything. Bigger than everything bigger than the city didn't matter. He was Big Ben you know who I am. Big, Ben. will now that's not the case three children married definitely settled down he has found God and whether you believe in that or not is not important it's important to him whether you do. That's not important. Because we're not talking about that. We're talking about him. He is found some type of San new spiritual? Aspect of his life will put it that way. And it seems to me that his leadership has grown exponentially. That he is now a player that young players will gravitate towards. Yet. There's the stuff with the radio show and how he's calling out players a the most notably James Washington how he criticized the broke his rookie year. The Ross Burgers learned a lot. He's been through a lot but he's also learned a lot into all this stuff. These knocks on Ben were nit picking the heck out of this guy and I kept on thinking to myself. Have we done this with any other quarterback that has had the amount of success that Rothlisberger has in his career? I can think of Donovan mcnabb, my Gosh, they used to nitpick the heck out of Donovan mcnabb when he was in Philadelphia the Donovan mcnabb didn't win two super bowls. Donovan mcnabb wasn't the quarterback of the Pittsburgh steelers. For some people think I e Peyton manning and Tom Brady. You win in a gives you a pass. That never happened with Rothlisberger not in my opinion now with the national media at least. Now. Know Tom Brady didn't have as many off the field issues. Yeah he was. He played for New England we all knew there were controversies up there in the northeast. But ultimately, you look at it and you're like man, this is in fair for Rothlisberger and it's not fair for them to all of a sudden start firing him because of air yards. The Guy has gotten his team out to a foreigner start the best start since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine. Four no I. Don't care who they played. He's coming off a season ending elbow injury. In two, thousand and nineteen. And people are criticizing air yards are you kidding me? All, he's been doing his winning and people are going to criticize guy get out of here. Get Out of here with that talk and you know what? If two thousand and nineteen has done anything for the fan base the Pittsburgh steelers fan base listen up folks if two thousand and nineteen hasn't done anything to teach you to appreciate Ben Rothlisberger than you must have been drunk or not paying attention last year. How many times where the steelers in games or we all said if only have seven, they would've won the game where they have seven back and he's winning games. If you're someone that's GonNa sit there and criticize rothlisburger when he's four no. For the first time in his career. And he looks pretty darn good doing it. Ten touchdowns one interception in case you forgot. Then, I don't think you'll ever be happy. I. Don't think you'll ever be happy you are wishing for something that doesn't exist. If you're someone that's going to be critical of Roth burgers play and we're only talking about twenty twenty. Then you are wishing hoping for something that does not exist. That's the only thing I can say to you that the only thing I can say to you because if you're someone that says, you know what I don't like Rothlisberger for the off the field stuff. That's fine. That's fine. But when it comes to playing football, you can't knock him not this year. Get Out of here with that Air Yard stuff get out of here. GET OUTTA here they're winning football games. It's all it matters. If he asked Rothlisberger over and over and over again Jose I don't care how we have to do. It is long as we win in. That's what matters in there for now. There you have it folks Wednesday picking stop. It's not never I never is. He'll be nitpick until the day puts on a gold jacket in Canton Ohio at the pro football hall of fame, he will be picked until then I guarantee it and even then some initial still do it they'll be. They'll tweet something out stupid about air yards. I'm sorry a mood. Og that I warned you. Come back after this break to talk about balance. In a real heartfelt message stages. Verizon. Jim. Down five across the country with the coverage of five G. Nationwide and and more and more cities. The unprecedented performance of Ultra wideband the fastest G in the world ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album in seconds, fries and five G. won't just change your phone works it will change how businesses do everything. This is the five G. America's been waiting for only from verizon. Vijay Ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities by nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period. January thirty first through April thirtieth twenty. Twenty. All right his Defense Jeff Harmon back here. But the second part of our less ride podcast is Wednesday morning. I really hope you enjoyed that ramp because it felt could all get out of there felt so good. Let me just say that wherever you're listening spotify Google play itunes stitcher anchor Pandora, please follow the show, follow us because that way you you never miss anything there's so much content. It's not just Monday Wednesday Friday show it's the steelers injury report it's the live Mike. It's the steelers tacky th the steelers hangover, the steelers preview I could go on and on all of our content is phenomenal gotta follow us and you listen on I tunes. Gives a five star ranking in. Good comment I read our new comments on. Thursday nights steeler preview on Youtube Zoe. We get your comment read leaders that we really appreciate. It helps the exposure. So before I get into my heartfelt message finish the show I, WanNa talk a little bit about balance. Okay. Balance Balance. We all need balance in life you know what? I mean. If you listen to this show, go back to the blog talk radio days not let's ride but just our podcast platform back when it was just myself and Lance Williams that was it. and. We did the standard is a standard podcasts. It was just us there were no other show was just us over every Wednesday night. I would always talk about the keys to victory for offense lance or do the defense, and I would do the offense. And he would say, all right Jeff What your keys for victory and I would say literally the same thing every week. Well, you know what lands I think they should be balanced on offense you know I'm talking about even run to pass ratio. And he would laugh he was man you say the same thing every week and I said I'm GonNa keep saying the same thing until they actually do it. There was a point. I don't know maybe the end of the Haley era maybe early her era that it was almost like a seventy thirty run to pass to run ratio. To me that's unacceptable. My goal as a fan is I, want my offense I want my favorite teams offense to be balanced to be able to run the ball efficiently enough that you can do it whenever you want in you pass whenever you want that you're not gonNa let anything dictate what you do. That's what I've always wanted I want an offensive line that can say you know what we're going to run a down your throat you've got eight in the box I don't care still going to get four or five yards in create a manageable third down situation. That's what I've always wanted in. It seems like folks hold on hold your breath. The steelers actually have that this year I know I don't WanNa say to out I WANNA jinx it knocked on Wood for all you superstitious folks out there. You know today I'm according this on Tuesday. Mike Tomlin. Spoke today as press conference, and he spoke just about this is that someone asked him they sa- coach what do you think is the difference between playing with a lead By playing with League, what do you think the biggest differences because in two thousand nineteen, they were rarely ever had elite they always seem to be having to come from behind they were always having to rely on a big play from the defense whether it was a Devon Bush fumble recovery at TJ Wad forced fumble. MINKA. His Patrick interception it doesn't matter what it was. They always had the dank on that and so he said, what's it like you know the question was, what's it like being to play with the lead? Tomlin's answer was great and it's what got me thinking about this segment for the show he said when you play with a lead. It allows you to be to remain. Offensively That nothing is going to dictate what you do. Likewise this has an equal effect on the defense meaning if a to score lead in the second, half an offense is more likely to press than they are to just stick with the game plan. Think back to week five the. Philadelphia Eagles did probably did not want to throw as much they did in the second half. But when you're trailing by ten or more points, you feel like you have to to get back in the game. Now there are those occasions I, e week three against the Houston Texans when they just kept on trying to run the football and they had zero success in they everyone is. Like Holy Cow Shawn Watson just carved up the secondary in the first half, and they completely got away from it in the second half and I think that lead was a large reason that led to their demise in we three. But he's talked about balance how doing these things getting lead a plane with a lead in being able to run the football think back to week five again. Time of possession the steelers dominated time possession because they took long methodical drives mixing in the Ron Mixing in the past converting on third down, they did a great job on third downs against the Eagles and league five at Heinz. Field That gave the defense arrest, but it also really put pressure on the opposition. East always say you play Peyton manning play Tom Brady. Your best defense is to keep them off the field offense having long time consuming drives that end in points mainly end in touchdowns in the steelers did just that they've done that all season in it's not a fluke that they are for. No, and that's a large part of it but look at these numbers four games now mind you this isn't perfect sense. If three hundred Three hundred plays you cannot expect one fifty to one fifty in terms of run pass they've rushed the ball one, hundred and twenty two times so far in two thousand and twenty in they've thrown the ball one, hundred and forty three holy cow folks. That's about as balance is you're going to get in today's modern day NFL. I'm not joking you probably will not find better balance and anywhere there might be a team like Seattle that has good balance to but my gosh, the Pittsburgh steelers. They finally give me what I've always asked for. They finally have given me a balanced offense and it's nice. It is nice. The steelers are averaging over one hundred, thirty yards on the ground. That's enough that they weren't even close to a hundred yards last year. A large reason was because defenders knew that they didn't have a quarterback that could throw the ball downfield. So they're going to load up the box and they're going to stop the run with. Rothlisberger. Under Center. That's not the case they have to respect the pass. They can't load the box in the steelers offensive line believe it or not is doing a pretty good job as rogue raiders. Got Some injuries David Decastro up not sure if he's GonNa play this week, pouncey left the foot. They think he'll be back this week Matt filer seems to be getting acclimated. A guard tooks a core for is doing a good job right tackle no one's mentioned our hundred Illinois wave, his name. Reasonably now, that could change changes week against Myles Garrett. But I'll tell you what Villanova when you're not talking about your left tackle. They're doing something right? Dog I'm going to say that's all I'm GonNa, say you're doing something right and they've only given up six acts on the entire season so that offensive line has been impressive. At balance if that, they finally got some balance so Kudos the offense for finally given me my wish. Let's see if they can keep that up. It'd be great to see. Lasting I WANNA talk about tonight fans is something that's pretty close to me. and. It's something that Brian Anthony Davis and Tony talked about a little bit on the steelers hangover show. which aired on Monday but you can hear it on our podcast platform Tuesday at noon I. Highly recommend you check out part one and part two of those podcast bid. I wanted to talk about this, but I didn't want to do on Monday size like the perforated yet. In case you didn't know I wrote this article for behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com is about the end the last week it was reported that ton Shokhin, former player current broadcaster. He does work with steelers dot com he does the the I. Think it's called the tonsure straighter or Something like that where he actually breaks down, plays been on the air with they way back since Myron Cope and bill hillgrove he is a staple of the Pittsburgh steelers organization. He was not a part of those seventies teams. He was a large part of the eighties and eighties was kind of like the lost era of the steelers because they didn't have a ton of success they were off. was. A tough teams go back and look. But ton shokhin was diagnosed with AOL s, and if you don't know what else else is, it's also Lou Gehrig's disease and personally. is about five years ago five years ago this past April. one of my best friends lost his battle with S. And I was talking to my wife when the news broke excuse me about ten joking and I said you know how this reminds me a lot of my buddy Chris who was huge steeler fan and I remember taking him to Heinz Field in his last year. When he was in a wheelchair and we were there for the Cincinnati Bengals game on Sunday night football if you remember that game was. shoot, two, thousand, and thirteen. Year, they started own. he we went in the later sees now is when Terence Garvin broke the punters jaw of the Cincinnati Bengals steelers jumped out to lead end up winning that game. It was freezing cold by the way they were giving away hot chocolate Heinz field because it was so cold but. It reminded me a lot of my buddy because I I watched I watched on Shokhin's interview. that. He did show can is a godly man. He's a very godly man and he's a God fearing man and that's a good thing if you don't know that. And if you hear the way that I end every show, I say, God bless obviously. I'm a believer as well. But the one thing that's tough about this disease. Is that you hear people say all the time and you hear I heard Brian Anything Davis and Tony Deaf ears eight on Monday night. Here on chill can save himself. We're GONNA fight this thing. There is no fighting this thing. You WanNa live the best life you can y you can. In, sadly, you have a professional athlete. That's just going to slowly start to lose control of his body. It is. The most sickening thing. If you've ever witnessed it happened anyone. That you can ever probably imagine. People talk about cancer diagnosis and they were in a fight this we're going to fight over and beat it. You don't be less. And we all did the ice bucket challenge is about five years ago and that was great and the the money raised actually his lead to some groundbreaking research. But it's not a cure. It's not a cure and I feel for the the Elkin family. His kids if your grandkids yet. What they're about to embark on is is tough. It's tough. And I pray I'm praying for him. Praying for his family, and if you're pray if you're a prayerful person that's listening to this podcast. Do the same please. End The show. Hope you enjoyed it I'm glad you listened I appreciate all of you for the time you spent with me. Monday. Wednesday. Friday on this, let's ride podcast all of our. Is. It read binding steel curtain dot. com. Fuel for that failing man pray hard. Until next. Time folks. Be, safe became. Plus? Burden. On.

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 8: Thursday 8/27/20

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Steelers Training Camp Recap No. 8: Thursday 8/27/20

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Sports betting dime DOT COM provides the coverage fans need to bet with confidence every time find the best odds, track key trends and make smarter bets on all your favorite sports check it out. It's sports betting dime DOT com. Pittsburgh steeler fans. Welcome back another training camp recap. I'm your host, Jeff Hartmann Co editor of behind the steel curtain dot com, and the Pittsburgh steelers after a day off on Wednesday. We're back on the grid iron at Heinz field on Thursday and it was plenty to report about the Pittsburgh steelers. A lot of people wondered if they were GonNa practice due to the social issues injustices going on around the country. A lot of teams canceled their practice postponed their practice steelers decided to practice as scheduled Mike Tomlin spoke about the social issues after the practice you can read about that on steelers dot com to give you a quick summation. He said that he his team, the organization look for. Basically more than just a statement they WANNA make a positive change, but they did practice and there was news from that practice. But before we get to the practice, what I typically do is because you have to remember in such strange and Weird Times of twenty twenty in regards the covid nineteen and restrictions reporting I like to go back and talk about everyone might have spoken to the media prior to the actual workouts, and then we'll get into what happened at the workout. So first and foremost, we heard from Ben Rothlisberger today that is right the franchise quarterback. Future Hall of fame quarterback spoke today and he talked about a lot of different things. He spoke about on Wednesday I. came out of nowhere leads to the general public that. My Gosh. He, they released this Docu series. It's called bigger than Dan. If you have not seen again, you can see it on behind the curtain dot com. You can also just go to youtube in surge bigger than and it's maybe fifteen minutes. But I tell you what it is tremendous I mean remarkable. What they did was they went all the way back to the two thousand eighteen you have to remember where they were. Antonio Brown talks his way out of town Ben Rothlisberger is getting dragged through the mud. It starts there goes all the way up until Darrow Drake's death training camp in thousand nineteen it talks about the injury depth in Rothlisberger was asked about this today and he. said the basically he and his wife start to document things have a surgeon, their phone, and then the age his agent said, why don't we add some professionals and make this thing good and it is phenomenal. So I know that's on really football related. But if you're a steeler fan, you've been itching to get something that's football related. This is awesome other than that. Rothlisberger spoke about a lot of good stuff he spoke about his contract and. If, he would actually sign a new contract. He said right now he's just taking it year to year because you just don't know what's going to happen in last year was perfectly a perfect example of that rainy feeder also spoke and he talked about how Rothlisberger has been pulled on kind of a pitch count yet he everything has been great so far with his elbow Rothlisberger said, he's making throws that he didn't think he could make A. But he's really getting those deep passes dialed in is great news across everything that's coming out of news from his health and his arm and his elbow has been one hundred percent positive but feeder said they still have to be cautious. He still a an aging quarterback he stole a quarterback that has a lot of throws on that arm, and so for that reason, he is someone that is they have to keep that under control so to speak. One really interesting chase cables hype train is just tilt right now I mean everyone's talking about Chase Klay Pool and the steelers circle I don't know if he's getting the national media attention that he is in Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh everyone's talking about the rookie receiver in the second round Notre Dame number eleven chase clay pool. And Randy Feeder is asked about his relationship with Ben. Rothlisberger Rothlisberger has been there for a lot of rookies. You know that have really paved their way in made a name for themselves whether it's antenna Brown Emmanuel, Sanders, Mike, Wallace, Antonio homes. on in terms of the receivers it, he has been a part of his rookie but the funny thing is is that cripples relationship is really growing into a very unique one with rothlisberger and it was sometimes at the age old saying is your best ability is your availability feeding her said the his rapport with that report, his report meaning clay polls rapport with Ross. Is Unique. Why? Because he's always there he hasn't missed a snap. His conditioning level is high he super smart and he's making the transition seamlessly. Therefore, he says. The opportunities are coming his way. So again, his best ability is his availability. Now, we haven't gotten to see any eleven on eleven action with the Pittsburgh steelers training camp we don't get his. Views from the Chuck Noll field seats were fan is taken his cell phone camera out and he's filming their red zone or he's filming the two minute drill or they asked Rothlisberger Hey and these eleven on eleven sessions who's been winning you know. Rothlisburger made it simple defense He said the defense wedding. Now he might have just said that to say that, but ultimately, he also could be saying that because they are let's not forget the steelers defense is pretty elite. They are a good group. So if you can score on this group than my goodness, it's it's you're doing something right now yesterday I'm sorry on Tuesday after the training camp recap on Tuesday before their day off Wednesday. camp. Sutton was kinda highlighted as the Swiss army knife is what I call it in the recap for behind the steel curtain dot com, you can do so many play seventy positions inside outside safety nickel. Drop down the box he can do it all for the steelers secondary. There might be another secondary player that is really trying to throw his hat into the versatile ring being a you know the more you can do and that would be none other than Marcus Allen Marcus Allen is a safety they've been using him as at Mark Baron type role, the athletic heavier on here's a heavier bigger safety. At Penn State, he was considered a thumper run downhill play in the box tackling machine. He might be one of those guys you see move into that role. Now Mike Tomlin said after practice he's not really ready for that to say that he's ready for that move yet but they're definitely trying him out there and giving him an opportunity to succeed in capacity so that's exciting news their next I Talk about some injuries, the steelers got a lot of players back after their day off the following players were back on the field in some way shape or form after their day off on Wednesday Juju Smith Schuster. We've got a couple days off back Kevin Dotson. He's been out for over a week with a knee. He was back in the limited basis same with the Andre Johnson. Jhad jukes. For was back limited over the groin. Wendell smallwood limited with shoulder terrell edmonds returned his injury was undisclosed Chris warmly with shoulder star to work his way back and Vance McDonald tight end who had a day off he was back on the field as well. However, they did have a couple players missing Eric Brown missed was illness and then those that were previously injured the remained out of practice were. I'm sorry Derwin. Gray with a knee karat white junior he's considered data day He's trying to work his way back Alex. Myers. The Join Ryan Switzer's considered day to day with foot CAM candidate. Miss a long snapper was a knee and Derek wide. We found out from Tomlin. Had Surgery at some point and he's working his way back. He's he should be good to go by the week one. The newest injury would be none other than Anthony McFarland the rookie running back fourth round pick out of Maryland he suffered a concussion and will enter the NFL concussion protocol, which means that he's probably. Out For at least a week, and then once he clears that vertical, he'll be back out on the practice field. So there you have it all the background knowledge of the day was and steelers training camp. Let's get to the actual training camp report, which is produced by the Pittsburgh steelers, and here's what they said. Nose tackle Daniel mccullers. Big Dan. The Shade Tree received loud and emphatic praise from Tomlin, on two occasions for his work in the drill. The steelers to work on coming off the ball at the snap. A large portion of practice was devoted to special teams including tackled to the ground live kickoff returns in coverage, which has rarely if ever been the case Anthony Mcfarland and Ray Ray Macleod worked as tournament on McLeod's I grab took the kick worked up field made one cut in the whole and ran to daylight much to the pleasure of the players standing on the sideline. It's kind of a catch twenty two, those a quick sidebar when a player makes a big play like that in practice your pump because he. Made a big play. You're also upset that the team that you play for also was the one that gave up the big play. So keep that in mind plays. Care Chris Basel's Lake had a busy day on field goals. He made kicks from forty, forty, one, thirty, four, forty to forty, five, fifty, an forty, eight yards on his own during the live portion he hit a fifty five yard attempt off the Right Upright and then drove the post it landed high up on the net seems like his leg is alive. Ray Macleod also got plenty of snaps at wide receiver and continued to make plays. He did drop one, but he made his share of catches including an ice twenty or reception over the middle from backup quarterback Mason Rudolph. In another example of how Ben Rothlisberger continues to show no issues whatsoever with the conditioning of his throwing arm, he executed upon fake to create an opening for Judas, machines down the seem for a longing, a safety by trade as we said, Marcus Allen was running inside linebackers Jerry also ask you the inside linebackers coach was giving him tips and conferring with him throughout practice. Then he's junior got the best of alum on several plays in the running back took a pitch in the defender tried to keep him contained. Snell lowered a shoulder and ran over Allen by taking advantage of his aggressiveness when Tom and. Match Snow Juke down to the inside and made a mis- on a third straight matchup between the two snell down again, and then Snell ran him over on a fourth Rep. Maybe not such a great start for Marcus Allen Wilsey, maybe more impressive to getting himself more playing time is able to sniff out a blitz corn blitzing cornerback and stuff him on a team drill chase klay plummeted ice diving catch the end zone during seven shots seems like that's a common thread here fantasy football owners keep your eye out for chase label safety Curtis Riley had an impressive pass defense on a throw down the seam and seven seven tackles. Zach banner had a pretty good run blocking day during a live scrimmage. He made an ice block my Hilton allow James Connor to get thirty yards. Connors participation early was limited because the steelers wanted an extended look at Anthony McFarland. But later in the practice, connor is getting the ball and showed that he has picked up a little speed and quickness off season. Man They give you just enough to get you really really excited. You know what? I mean It's funny when I finish these recaps I'm sitting here thinking to myself man I'm excited for football start. I cannot wait for football to get back but it'll be here sooner than later you know it that we were back and it'll be exciting in the meantime I. Really Hope The a enjoy these and that you be are taking turning tuning into our podcast on our behind steel curtain platform. Remember you might follow us on Youtube and that's great. If you do go to youtubecom search bt SE steelers radio. subscribed to the channel like videos we really appreciate that but. 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Stat Geek Q&A: What Ike Hilliard brings to the Steelers as the new WR coach

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Stat Geek Q&A: What Ike Hilliard brings to the Steelers as the new WR coach

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Works and why it matters at your favorite bookseller. Thanks we're back Pittsburgh. I'm sorry I can't help myself ever did that. One Show Act Q. And find new curtain deputy editor Dave Scofield and his big brother rich. You goodrich good up here. Here's the thing I've got to ask you this. I can't I didn't bring up the new show yet all my phone because I like to do it. Because it gives me sometimes it pops up with some highlights that I don't always catch otherwise and just to make sure that we're not freezing or anything like that but Jesse George had a comment about the names of the podcasts. That we're doing and I think I need to to to use Jesse's line against one Brian. Anthony Davis A A say. You play the role of Brian. I'M GONNA ask you question so Brian. What's the name of your new podcast? Why I don't watch which is exactly what Jesse says. It doesn't matter what the names are. But after ARA wrestling discussion we had with the after party Thursday. That just I just had to summon my inner dwayne Johnson going the Rock Johnson in order to bust into one of his famous interruptions or a I should have used a fancier where there that he would he would give with with many of the his interviews which was great so it doesn't matter what the name is of the podcasts. But this podcast is a static. Qna because we are going to get to the live chat here soon as we can. First since I last week as soon as I enter the show boom up comes super chat from the artists that we call Ex. You smell what bad is cooking? Yes love it. Oh no this is already go. Daddy Buck that but ex asked question. I'm pretty sure it was. I'm pretty sure was a five dollar. I think it was five dollars bucks and a tip. He wanted to know was. Has there been a quarterback with the same injury as Ben Rothlisberger to critique? The answer is not exactly but selects but sort of the answer to that question was rich. Victim Jake the loan he had he had to actually have Tommy John Surgery in two thousand seven. So it's not the exact surgery but he came back the other thing is. He was thirty two when he had the surgery. Banda's little bit older than that with him coming back but you're also talking another ten years of medical advances. So he had Tommy John. Two thousand seven just so you know the Carolina Panthers that next year went twelve and four. Yeah he had a very good year. Had a very good year He actually had three thousand two hundred and eighty eight yards fifteen touchdowns twelve interceptions. You know those numbers didn't book decorate. But they they're great but they lost their first playoff game dino who they lost to the first round but it wasn't a first round. It was the second round of the playoffs. It was divisional weekend that would have been January. Vo Eight it was from the two thousand eight season as the bank season so it would have been nine. Yeah no idea. They lost to the eventual. Nfc champions who fell to the Pittsburgh steelers super bowl forty three. That is correct low key that had it in there. They lost to the cardinals. Gotcha in the playoffs. The cardinals then went on to go to the Super Bowl sailor so he had a good year. Now he didn't have the best. You're the next year. He had a lot more interceptions in a lot fewer touchdowns and he didn't but he didn't play the whole season long your but he played all sixteen games the following year and added twelve and four record. So doesn't mean that that's what we're going to get from Ben Rothlisberger but at least that tells you that it's something that can be done. So bro New steelers. Wide Receiver coach any thoughts. My first thought. Was You know first of all? It said that you had to say on the last podcast Bat. How you can place Ike Hilliard kept thinking Mike Taylor. That's awful. Obviously well I know why because typically I did. Obviously you didn't have a bunch of our fantasy leagues. No I know I know I did. At least once I recall having a couple of times so actually might have had in the year. I won the whole thing. I don't remember but Yeah he had. He had between regular season and playoffs thirty touchdowns as a giant eight season. But he had he had because he had twenty eight regular-season touchdowns in two playoffs. What's crazy is the two playoff touchdowns. Same game put that New York Order Day. He had two touchdowns on ten receptions one hundred fifty five yards in the NFC championship. Game for the giants. They took down if I remember. It was the vikings. There's like forty one to nothing they want. Nfc Championship Game Super Bowl. And unfortunately they. They felt that purple team that year. But that's that that was his biggest probably. Won't I mean especially because the stage had to be what I would consider his biggest game but now he's come to us from was with the Redskins the last few yes as I was telling you and I finally put it all together. So you've been with the redskins with Jake ridden. He had been with the redskins before Jay Gruden but he left did a quick stint fit was buffalo and then back with the redskins yet. Read actually sitting here. He had dolphins redskins and bills. I'm trying to think if the dolphins might have been at one of them. He was in the system wide receivers coach so interesting story about the about this. Higher Article V ensued. And it's honestly it's Brian. Anthony Davis his fault but we had some problems on the website. Today this came out at noon. I'm trying to get by. Espn story ready for twelve thirty. And I'm picking my son up from preschool which finishes at noon but the I didn't appre- right for the story because it's crazy how all the reports came down some people said Oh. I thought behind this curtain already. Already said that the that the other that mcclendon was hired we published a report we published report was that it was Dale Alley that actually. The first report mcclendon was the choice. Then Jerry Dulack came back on Monday and said everyone's your country and everything then do lack said late in the week. It was down to those two candidates so when the report came out when and the article that mcclendon was returning to South Carolina. Guess what we did. I say going to get it ready. I'm just going to write the article for Jericho Khatri to be the wide receivers coach than when it happens. Publish IT WILL. I did it. But there's there's a back story here at the beginning of last season early early on we knew there was going to be roster move coming for the steelers and we had a feeling it was right after they. It was after week one. Where like they're going to. They're going to sign to czar skipper to the practice squad and they're going to sign. Hodges because of the Joshua Dob straight so I got an article ready for that on Monday. O'brien ent Davis goes into the dashboard. Where we hold. Our articles sees my article that I have ready to go and report. Podcast is actually happened and it hadn't happened yet and it didn't happen in that way because skipper claimed off of waivers so so he's like. Don't write articles in there. That didn't happen like when I got to get them ready. So I go in and I throw in silly headlines so my headlines usually read something silly but I get everything else ready. The headline said the steelers higher. Jeff Hartmann is wide receivers coach. Well Luckily Jeff. Jeff jumped into to fix the article because already had a lot alike. We could've started over with a whole new hire but it had a lot of the process involved of how the other reports and other teams got there and therefore we had to change. Jeff Hartmann in the title to be Ike Hilliard. Well the problem is a lot of people. Don't realize this is. We have five different. Titles when we go to write these articles there's like a. There's a main there's the article title. There's the main page title. There's the social. There's a the search time there's a bunch of them. I already Jericho Contra filtering and all those titles I just didn't have on the main title Bryan wouldn't see it will. Jeff told me he got all the back end stuff and part of the back end stuff as you realize that autry so anyone else caught our tweets. We actually had a tweet. That had an article with his picture and said steelers tired Jericho. Khatri wasn't the name of the. What was the tweet? But that was the title of the article. That article is there for a few minutes on the website then we went in and changed it and there was a glitch in the system and when we tried to republish it. It didn't publish are inches so but we got it all straight out eventually so there for a minute. We've reported at Jericho. Khatri was the was. The was the higher but that was quite surprising. Because usually Jerry Bulaq. He's he's one guy read when he reports something. That's the way it was so the steelers really went under the radar with its higher. So do you think they made the right choice? Hello Yep we got a little bit static with you to your sound. Has Been Out of your by answering. Somebody's been all messed up here. Okay I'm you're you sound like a robot talking to me but I didn't catch center. I think at a higher I like to hire. I prefer I probably prefer to carry contrary sorry I was muted for a moment trying to figure out if it was your me by listening to it on my phone and they say it's robot rich so you got a little bit of static if we can try to work through that The biggest thing that I like about hilliard that we didn't get with the two candidates how `bout NFL experience as a wide receivers coach like a pure like is the main receivers coach because mcclendon was coming from college. Which I'm sure he would have brought a lot of the steelers you had contra who's been the assistant wide receivers coach and Carolina for the last. I think at least three seasons and it's not that he wouldn't necessarily been a good higher either but I like the fact that they got a higher of someone who has been not just assisted but he is done. He has been a wide receivers coach for some time in the NFL. So that's something that that that happened so you you're ready to see if he got if you've got your situation fix their rich don't shake your head but he's he's having some technical issues there still. We'll keep them on the screen there for we need to. I like the higher you got someone I mean when you have a receiver like tat that you hire and that was kind of something that I thought was countries. You're you're talking about a guy that has. Nfl experience playing the position and also has experienced coaching the position. I think in all. That's that's a pretty good idea what we're going to do now is this. Q. And A. We'll we'll see if I can if if we can get rich back here. Not Right now is good. Because he's muted. We're going to you all and he's gone. We're GONNA open up to you all to see what you would like to discuss anything you want to bring up. I'm open it up for questions from the live. Chat whether you just have some overall questions if you didn't catch the last show with actual stat geek. Show I told the story about my experience of being contact with. Espn over my coverage of coach. Tomlin and his and his interview with I take so we'll just see I don't know what to talk about so throw a question out there we already. Here's Ron Ron says Dave. Don't you think the draft should be focused on offense? I do I do and what's going on with that is I. Don't know that I'd go. As far as Lance Williams suggested the steelers these new draft offense in two thousand nineteen. I'm ready to go that far because I think they definitely. I think they'd even outside linebackers some point whether or not they have by Dupree. You're not just just to see what do you mind that being your top pick but but we'll see hi. I'm Jessie Dave Fox. Senior editor vulture and host of the PODCAST. Good one a podcast about jokes. Every week I interview comedian writer performer. About one of their jokes the joke income from their stand up special Saturday night live sketch or song or even a book. Re- breakdown the joke and figure out how it works. What inspired it and what it says about their sense of humor for comedy fans. It's a serious discussion about the craft of jokes and for interview fans. It's really funny. Conversation between two people who have a lot to say about comedy profanities sect advice. Podcast might not be exactly what you're looking for something to talk about. After all that sex your habit new episodes of good one come on every Tuesday. Starting February twenty fifth. Subscribe for free on Apple. Podcast on your favorite podcast APP from poultry. Vox Media podcast network. Have a good one but I think that it should be very offensive heavy. I've gone on record saying I think that the steelers have more capable players at running back. Then they do. What other positions where they have holes? Although an upgrade at running back would be great. I don't think that's the biggest need when you when you really have to fill in other things other places so I'm more looking at offensive line tight. End Things of that nature but yeah I think it should be pretty much focused on offense. Do I know the exact surgery Ben had is what Michael Mallon we don't we don't? There was a report that it was not Tommy. John's but the steelers are not confirming or denying anything there are reports of what it is but I think that's something. Ben Cod tried to kind of keep private. So that's kind of how it would be so then. Bo wanted to know what I take with the second round pick. I kind of answered that I would take. It depends on. What's there if there's if there's a running back it's too good to pass up in that position. I wouldn't throw a fit if they took it. I don't WanNa see him reaching running back there. I would like I would my temple pool of positions of needs and take the best player available one of those positions and those positions for me are offensive line tight. End Edge rusher. And that's pretty much it. I think the steelers later in the draft might try to get some depth and some other places like safety. They couldn't even go safeties highs around but they have to to pretty good safeties there. So there's there's that that's that's mainly what I'm GonNa go. I'm GonNa see if not better audio from rich. Say Something Right I. I'm not getting anything from your even breaking up around even here too much. We've got some people throwing in some of their some of their suggestions of offensive line and one of those things so hold on just ahead so I want to see what else we got here. If McDonald's stays are they still drafting a tight? End early as what? Ajc wants to know. That's a great question. The steelers have to make a decision. What THEY WANNA do they're like I said Vance McDonald? It's a club option that they have to exercise by the start of the new league year. They could save five million dollars approximately if they move on from him but the question is. Are they going to have a viable tight end? That cost them less money than that. The only way I see that would be as if they are pretty. Sure GonNA draft one and that player then also has to work out for them so I also. Then there's the question of Nick Veneta free agent to the steelers traded for and had him for this year if the steelers end up keeping resigning. Gannett and keeping McDonald. I think that's an indication they're not gonNA go tight end very high in the draft but if it's even just one of them. I could then that still leaves it on the table for for them to go early and I still think they can get a quality tight end even not with their top picking the second round. I think there's a lot of promises. To tighten it out of Dayton tight. End Out of purdue I know a lot of people were high on the tight end out of Notre Dame so that they have some some options there and honestly when untold the combine when players. Really start to shoot up. The board is is when things really get interesting. Worst Institutional Cheating Patriotair Astros. That's hard to judge because we don't really know the extent of the Patriots. I don't think that it's come out. Well maybe we don't know the extent of the Astros I'M GONNA say I'M GONNA to say why the word I'm GonNa go with a push on that one okay so Getting some of the some of the same questions that people have already said summer interesting dwell like Red Blue Red Yellow or black. Yeah we're going with black if the steelers the steelers. Don't sign anymore quarterbacks. Before next season. What three quarterbacks do you keep? I'm it's GONNA BE ROTHLISBERGER AND RUDOLF AWAITS. Not Rothlisberger is if there's a problem with his injury and then when it comes to route off unless something else happens there. Those are the two healthy wise I would go with. I don't see them bringing in another quarterback mainly because money with what money. They've already allotted more to the quarterback position this year with a Sarah Kaplan they usually do percentage wise to spend more money on someone to come in as a safety net. You hope never steps foot on the field. I would rather than spend money on someone you to step foot on the field so I then I think it's just a race for that last one and I think it could be any of the three I it could be. It could still be hodges. It could be Paxton Lynch and it could be J. T. Barrett outta nowhere or it could be another name. That comes out of nowhere. Like hodges did last year so I think it's Rothlisberger Rudolph and anybody's guess so Ryan wants to know what played tackle. I was a left tackle for For most of my playing days and then got moved to right tackle at the end of highschool because Are running back as more effective running to the right and they wanted to put me over there Rather than we weren't throwing that much to protecting the blind side of the quarterback didn't matter quite as much I did not play football in college. I had the opportunity to but I did track and field in college instead. That was just just wh- with but yeah I was. I was a tackle And actually I should say I was also a blocking tight end for a little while just ask different formations. But it was a lot of fun. So is mad. Low Low key wants to know. Is Canada going to be the spark this off season? This offense needs. I think he could be if the utilize him and you know what you brought him in. Let him do some dynamic stuff. Um to help with a game plan and if it doesn't work then he's just your quarterbacks coach she just haven't got back and focus with the quarterbacks but to not even try to use his stuff. I think it would be foolish so once again. It skipped on me. Some people are asking about the running back Dobbins A. I saw some some stuff today. In comparison still punks article with some of the discussion in the comments about bringing up his ability as a receiver and his ability to to pass protect. And I think if the steelers are the steelers are going to draft running back and draft them. Hi It's got to be someone who can do these things in and beat up grade. Did the steelers want to take their tough top draft pick and not upgrade what they currently have. I WanNa see them do something. Where someone's going to be the guy before mid-season that's what I would seem or anything so that's a great question snowman. Well the steeler signed Ryan Shazier. I I don't know I they're going to. They're going to have him around in some in some capacity in my opinion. They're not they're not hanging out to dry and they want they also want to give him a chance that if he wants to come back to play that that he will ernest says he's looking turnabouts. Pouches play this year. Should we be concerned yes? Are we concerned about James Connors play? Are we concerned about juice? Misuse Schuster's play. Are we concerned about Ben? Rothlisberger is play about Stefan. Stewart's play. Yes? We should be concerned but it doesn't mean that we also expect them to come back now. Counts is a little different because of his age. Just like Ben Rothlisberger someone like James Juju Smith Schuster guys just a year. Rabou from the pro bowl that they have a bad year. They didn't have a good quarterback situation and they both met with injuries. That if they can stay healthy and ben stays healthy. I'd love to see them bounce. I would hope the pouncey could possibly be one of those people that plays better with Ben Rothlisberger. But we could be concerned but we shouldn't also shut the door on the possibility of still being the caliber player that he once was so steelers. Fan Seventy Four. Who stays and who are cap casualties? I think we're pretty sure that we know the Ramon foster will be kept cap casualty if I were to rank them in order of how of what I believe. Most likely cap casualties and go from there would go. Ramon foster one I go Anthony Tikolo too. I just don't see how they could keep them around with his lack of availability. Not being a starter. I still don't think he's the answer even if there's nobody pre And they could. They could get a decent cap relief from from letting him go. I want to put him to. I'm GONNA put Mark Barron Three. I would not mind keeping Mark Barron as depth. But he's pretty expensive depth the problem and that's what the steelers the way there and then I'm going to say Vance McDonald but personally I would like to see him to keep around. But that's just me. Just that's my order. Rajon if I said that right wants to know what three starters our trade before the draft nine. I like my steelers. I guess I'm a little bit too loyal. I'm not a guy that says I just trade. These guys I I like him because I wouldn't trade starter trade Bryan Switzer. I'd trade could. Who Else could I trade now? A lot of the guys are under contract that I would trade so but I don't know that anyone would take anything for him. The steelers used to be super deep offensive line. And you're like they traded Gerald Hawkins last year but after losing a couple of guys. The waiver wire throughout the season. I don't see the depth there either. This statement from Ryan Ryan Kellerman says they cut Vance and the next tight end isn't as good. Everyone said advance will wanna back. I agree I think you're right. Read says wouldn't mind being too tight end draft like the Patriots done before but yeah this is a question. I don't really have an answer to because I wanted to find this out myself. How did Seattle from Daddy's out Seattle Sign Greg Olsen today from Carolina though? We have to wait until free agency begins. I think it has to do with the manner in which he was released. Because it wasn't just an unrestricted free agent. Because he was released. I don't know that he has that he had to wait. Just Kinda like players that are steelers science futures contracts and stuff with other people. It has something to do with that but I can't say a hundred percent for sure. I should've known the Internet question. I want to know the answer to that question. So if someone puts in a live chat I will throw it up there here for Michael Malley. Dave does the bud decision waiver the draft in free agency and signing players on the roster. Is He worth it? Okay and and Michael. Says I love it? Run help absolutely that. It's going to determine what the steelers doing free agency in in the draft because it depends if it becomes a I mean if they don't have creates they have a whole that has to be filled if they do have depre- and I still think that the the young guys they have. Backups could be suitable backups. They wouldn't even have to address the position even with the loss of Tikolo. Although I do think they would still possibly draft one even late if not picking up someone for cheap so I think it's very much determines that and something that that I say. Is He worth it? That's the thing you gotta figure out. If he's worth it. The reports were today is that he fired his agent and is looking for new representation for his new deal. And that's usually sometimes the these big name agents like like the Rosenhaus brothers. They designed J von Hargrave recently. Because sometimes shame but sometimes Lower name guys have a depre- wasn't as Laura News. The first round pick but have not the biggest sports agents of the world. Because they don't WanNa take a chance on them and they stick through them and the first time they come up to get a big deal. They dropped her agents and go to a bigger name person. That'll get more money and the big name person knows that they get the money for them so it sometimes I think it kind of stinks for the guys that you know. Were with them for so long. But we'll see what happens with depre- one thing that I brought up in an article. That said the question was have we turned into A. What have you done for me lately? Fan Base where we only think back. We can't go beyond a year to say how we feel about people. How Bad Juju. He's not a number one. Bad Year from Conroy. He's not the answer. Oh steph onto it was hurt. We need to move on from him. He's always hurt even though we had a great season up until he got hurt. Ben Rothlisberger is going to be nothin' because he didn't do anything last year we forget about the things that they did. But we're also. What have you done for me lately? In the other aspect of it of duprey had a great year last year. Where was he the first four or was it? You know if we if responder per year we're going to get two thousand nine hundred ninety three. Are we going to two thousand seventeen debris? There's a big difference because I don't want to pay the two thousand nine hundred ninety pre price for two thousand seventeen by debris so I would have liked to have seen more than one year production. So that's just kind of my thoughts there but I also would like to keep the defense completely intact can of Arkansas any closer to a CBA. I haven't heard any reports since they had a meeting. This past week with the one before That's the last time I heard anything that they that right now. The biggest issue is the seventeen game. Season seems like That the owners want to have that as an option to add and the players know in order to add it. They're going to have to give up some stuff I know some people are thinking. It's going to be the whole marijuana issue. But apparently they've already they might have already agreed on that aside from the whole seventeen game thing. Alex wants to know what the steelers see Rudolph. I had an article ready to go about Mason. Rudolph that because of the new accusations new acquisition because of the resurfacing of the accusations against him I just felt wasn't appropriate to bring up at the time. And that is you can look based Rudolph's two thousand nineteen season you. You could do a point counterpoint. Like Brian and Tony doing articles on the website of of a season. You could completely spin it of how Mason. Rudolph was put in some tough circumstances. At times he played well and when he didn't there was reasons behind it. You could completely spin it. That Mason Rudolph was given some great circumstances and didn't come through. You could spend it either way and eventually. I'm going to do that article but I'm just waiting for some of the things that I down so just to say that there was nothing to see. Rudolph that's not. I don't feel that that's accurate but I also I mean some people that are very critical of Rudolph or People. That are also really critical. Ben Rothlisberger doesn't think he does much right so for some reason. Some people expect the quarterback to make the perfect region perfect throw on every snap and that's just not realistic at all snowman said about by debris signing him a drafters replacement. You're going to do one or the other and maybe even both here on Double T. Wants to know about the steelers trying to train the first round of a certain qb drops honestly with everything else at the steelers need. Ben Rothlisberger come back. I don't think this year addressed quarterback I really doubt just just because I don't know that you're going to get someone that has that much better than Mason Rudolph. So we'll see do I do. I think the defense will be for years to come. I think it can be and I think injuries will will will play a pretty big role in that. I'm going to see if we got rich back or not. He's he's finally. If you've got the issue fixed would've been here how we do. Are you better? I don't care the craziness on your end. Yes you sound completely fine to me so I had to do. A total computer restart and it locked up when it restarted. So then I have a hard reset so that was fun. There you go. Hey you go. I'll let you. I know you probably have been able to follow much at all or hearing. Actually I've pulled a pulled. The broadcast up on my phone have been good. Good do you. What do you think about this one? Do you think the defense will be elite for years to come? That's kind of hard to say because you're today's David. Nfl constant turnover. Yeah absolutely sorry. I just saw that. I had some private messages. Didn't realize they were from you so I I actually have an article coming out. Probably tomorrow writing this evening about how you know. T J watts is the new face. The franchise don't worry about what being steeler for a while because especially the way his rookie deal is going to you. Know the options they have there. With the fifth year. Option the franchise tag and everything and the getting up there in years probably on his last contract. And if he's not the not still good news for the steelers Ben. Rothlisberger that it's GonNa Lineup really good to where that money is going to shift into. T.j WATTS IS GONNA end up working out but one thing I brought up the thing. And you're like we all shoot Ben's on his last contract at funny because both England's when he did I would argue about he wants to already save Benz Benz three year. Contract was a bad because what happened this year. I'm like I'm not going to judge it on this year. Because what happens if he has to fantastic years. I've said I'll judge it when we get a little bit further down the road and it still might be a bad contract that they extended the last time but if the issue comes up for bands even wanting to play beyond this contracts. That's a good thing for the steelers because that means he's playing at a high level so that's a problem that will deal with if if that comes about. I got into this From from Richard. If it comes up I skipped so it might not come up that. Tutu. I'll bring up this one brothers giving her the question. I hadn't seen that yet. I'm really I'm really far behind the watch out. I just realized but I can't find to bring it up but he's going to be the receiver now. How much weight if I lost You know there's no chance that can get lost. I've lost like well. Everything is II switched. What side the lights on on lighting up my better side now. I have a better side. I yeah but actually. They're the better probably the backside or while better. I didn't know meaning that you have to look at my face. Yeah wasn't a compliment to my back. It was an insult to my front. I have lost about twenty five pounds. Thanks to Jefferson. Hartmann is has been trying to get me on some other stuff with with exercise. I have a long way to go. Don't worry I'm not going to be too thin. I've definitely got along. Go so some of these questions. A lot of these are answers to things that didn't get young and wanted to know if there's any chance of getting Dobbs back that ships sailed. He's under contract with Jacksonville. It's the same kind of thing with you. Know Number Twenty six the former number twenty six there in a contract to someone else. That's not something that you can bring him back so now getting into a lot of people with conversations answering questions that we had earlier. Yeah so I I like the great discussion between you. All when we're there. I think who is going to be the receiver. The steelers pay the big bucks and is he on the team. You think rich. What's what's wrong with instead of paying one receiver big bucks but we pay a couple of decent receivers medium bucks. Yeah era it just all depends on what a structure out your cap I I'm compiling cap numbers. I don't know if we're GONNA do an article with save one of our shows but looking at like what positions take up what percent of the salary cap and wide receivers pretty low. Because they're all young guys and it's not going to be able to stay that way because they're all gonna move on. I don't know that we're going to have another Mr third and fifth situation. Where where we have the league's highest paid receiver on her team. But I mean that's why. Say if people say well Judy's not a number one we don't pay them like a number one. I don't mind having three I really. I'd rather have. I'd rather have three twos than one one and three fourths. So that's just the way I look at it. So let's let's let's try to. Let's see no other way. They're staggered eventually. Juju is going to need a new contract this actually. This is his last year on this contract coming up so he's probably going to get some money. I don't know I don't know the because of the until there's a new. Cba can really afford to do much with him. So we'll see how that goes from there. Odessa said bridgewater could be viable backup. Qb And as we have said over and over in the show although he he sounds great the answer is worth what money with what money. We just can't allot any more money than one position. That's already sucking up so much of our salary cap. So so that's that's going that's just going to be a lot of people were saying that. Okay I'll wait that's your. That's your question again so to to the to do a lot of people. I love the discussion going back and forth back and forth. Okay here we go okay. I'll I'll go there. She'll fan seventy four. What about the Thomas? Dave comments that Ben quit on the team in two thousand nineteen it. That just reiterated my article that I had. I think it was last week since the show that I said the title of the article was when it comes to your steelers news. Local buy local go home grown you know New sources that actually cover the steelers. You know they come out with these ridiculous things. We've bought brought up several things on bleacher report. They said that the steelers had a massive hole at cornerback across from Joe. Haden that they didn't have any answer. There didn't even realize Steven Nelson was there this past year because he he had an amazing season that completely flew under the radar and just very other dump takes. That was very dumb. Take that Ben. Rothlisberger should have come back for a playoff push okay. Then they're like he had season entering surgery he still can't three not even clear to throw it on the team. I am will then Davis tried to say well? There are reports that he didn't have to have surgery. And you know what my interests of that one correct? He didn't have to have surgery that he could have retired. Just like Bradshaw. Exactly you know if you wanted to play. If you wanted to play quarterback he had to have surgery but my question is if he said well if he could still play quarterback but not had the surgery there were reports name one. Give me one one source. One name of someone who said that name one. I use this time to time with people like oh well there were things that were said and people know that. Okay name one. Just Gimme one and you know what he can't 'cause there wasn't you know there might have been rumblings of people that know any better but no one that actually had legitimate information. That was really really dumb but it just goes to show the off season in the NFL. Were getting dumb news. We're getting done takes. We're getting outside the lines running a story and completely slobbering over someone who agreed to up here for them even though none of the evidence backs up. So now we no longer have a a Lance Williams Internet connection fund or Brian. Anthony Davis Internet Connection Fund. We now have the big Bro. Sco Computer Find It. Just sometimes they gotta get reset. I just don't know what happened there. So my daughter's computer because she's got the laptop so yeah yeah read brought up a point of some some said it said earlier a trade in the first round from forty nine almost surely has to include a future number one so therefore. I don't see it happening. I don't have to go up in the very end of the first round and and like I said before quarterbacks not a position to do that for. I don't know that there's anyone that they want that bad too. I mean they wanted Bush. They traded up and got him. They want if it's Patrick. They traded and got him. They can't constantly do that and have any kind of capital. There's GonNa come to a point where they just where they just can't so I'm going to see if I can catch up a little bit. Get a couple more questions before we call it a show here. I'm just glad you made it back to the throne left-handed speak. Hey you gotta find. There's one at ten forty two PM from Thaddeus that he asked me a question and I once you bring that one up okay. Football related was still. But it's a fun question. Okay how did I miss that one? Probably because he started it with the at sign I didn't see gross go who won the wrestling match growing up. Between you and Dave. I actually talked a little bit about this on the after party thorough. Well that gets pretty easy. See people wouldn't believe this looking at at this now. Okay you've always been big little. I graduated high school at six foot. One hundred and fifty five pounds. I try to get ready over that when I was in seventh grade. Tried to bulk up and play football one year high school got all the way up to one seventy went to basketball camp for a week. Lost the twenty pounds back to one fifty so by the time I was sixteen. And you were twelve. You pretty much can take me in a wrestling match. You outweighed me. Yeah I was more of the hidden run guy because I was extremely fast so I would come in. Take by shots and then escape. Yeah for for those of you that this is what's interesting to others. Now rich was the speedy guy he was the like at high school with baseball. He was either the lead off or number nine hitter. Because you know a lot of times high school you want that speedy guy very your lineup to roll into it but a lot of times leadoff. Guy. They they wanted you all they want to do that. Leadoff walk. And how many times did you get the leadoff? Walk there. The great butter behind you and they'd get you all the way to third base with with with one out and the number three hitter coming up. That's just what they would do. Eight Times eight times my senior year in high school. Yeah that's what you guys did so I was you were you. Were the strong guy. So the wrestling matches by by the time you were twelve. Pretty much could take wrestling matches. I should have used that as example for one Jefferson Hartman when we when he said that the tag team match would be him and Lance William versus myself and Brian. Anthony Davis and I said you guys don't get well first of all. I said gladly. Take Brian as my tag team partner. Because he would play dirty well just like the same thing they said about George Costanza. Onside felt that he would. He would cheat to win. You know that's what he would do. He would fight dirty and then me I said guys. I'm judy and just like when you gotta catch me and I should have responded when I was huge and my brother was when we were younger. My brother was super fast. I learned how to adapt of. Trust Me Jeff. I don't think jeff is anywhere close right now at this fast. What you were back in the day. We'd have those but I did mention before I got too big for you. What move would you throw me in the whole being four forever when I was little it was wanted to put you in a full Nelson sleeper? Hold Oh no. I forgot about the sleeper. Hold sleeper all. Now I remember me laying on the floor and you sitting on me keeping me in that cable clutch talk so that. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. We we add some good wrestling matches. But like I said before you what. I didn't fight that much growing up I mean. We did have one pretty intense dispute during wiffle ball in college but that was pretty fun. That was pretty much so but that was a great question Daddy. I really enjoyed that one but we want to thank you guys for I. Kind of my live chat froze up a little bit. There's someone in. There are some of their arguing with sorry. Wanted to thank you guys so much for joining in here for the. Qna went a little bit longer than we thought. But I wanted to do some questions. Once we got rich back. Thank you thank you. Thank you for joining us. If you didn't catch the first show make sure you go back and see that because there was some really good interesting stuff that we brought up not just about the turnovers for the year but also the whole the whole thing. That went down with behind the curtain and ESPN. Make sure you're hitting that like button pound that like button. Hit the like button. That's the best thing you can do for us. 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Standard is the Standard: Big Ben talks, but should Steelers fans listen?

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Standard is the Standard: Big Ben talks, but should Steelers fans listen?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome to a very special episode of the behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com. Flagship podcast the standard is a standard. I am Jeff Have Hartman editor of behind the steel curtain dot com with you find solo on this show on this Christmas Day. That's right is Christmas Day. Still giving you a show. I don't know how many people will be here in the live to have watching live on Youtube. If he didn't know he had a youtube channel. We do could you dot com search. Bt Se steelers dealers radio. You can find all of our videos. They're you can subscribe to our channel and set up your notifications so that you make sure that you get every single episode. I want to start off this show. uh-huh by just stating. I hope that everyone out there. Pittsburgh steeler nation behind this. You'll curtain nation. I just want to mention that. We hope that I speak from my co host Lands Williams. I speak for Dave Scofield. His brother Brasco the Brian. Anthony Davis tone-deaf. We hope that you all have a very very merry merry Christmas. And if you don't celebrate Christmas if you don't celebrate Hanukkah if you don't celebrate Kwanza or Festivus on the twenty third of December remember then by all means Happy Holidays happy holidays. We hope you have a great one. I really do with that. Said what socks steelers football all shall we if you notice. The headline of this episode had nothing to do with the Baltimore. Ravens in that was on purpose. It was intentional. First and foremost I wanted. I wanted to talk about what I thought. Was the the hot button topic surrounding the steelers You know going on and has nothing to do with the Ravens. We'll talk talk about the ravens game a lot on the steelers preview which will be on regular date and time. That's tomorrow night Thursday nine PM. Eight thirty nine nine. PM around there. Live on Youtube I wanted to talk today about Ben Rothlisberger believe it or not you know news came on Monday and a little bit more on Tuesday when it was excuse me Chris Mortensen incentive. ESPN who reported that. The Pittsburgh steelers quarterback in sources that he had close to the situation. Were suggesting Ben. Rothlisberger might not be as confident about his return to the steelers dealers as he once was and you know it was. It took this with a grain salt. Because I've learned to take anything with Ben Rothlisberger with a Graham Salt. Then he backtracked talking about Chris Mortensen he backtracked a little bit and said Sources are saying that Ben is tracking the play that everything should define and all that stuff. It wasn't until today Christmas morning. When Ben Rothlisberger went onto his official twitter page his official facebook page? I'm sure he didn't do it it. But he shared a family photo of he and the kids and the dogs and his wife and they're all wearing matching pajamas and says we hope that you have Mary Very Merry Christmas. And a happy holidays. Holidays in a wonderful New Year Blah Blah Blah and at the very end said also P ask postscript. I am not I am going to be coming back and I'm already working on being coming back stronger better than ever in so I think that a lot of steeler nation gave a collective sigh So Nice to hear you. You know it's just so nice to hear that what many people feel will be the savior for this team vying for a super bowl in the coming years Ben Rothlisberger number seven. He's coming back back. He kind of felt like that a little bit. But should we be listening to what Ben Rothlisberger says forward for the moment. Let's just go ahead and take the fact that Ben Rothlisberger has been known. Let's be honest here. He's been known to drum up some attention. I'm not not going to call a drama. Although what it is he he's been known to drum up some attention. I'll be nice. It's Christmas Day Nice. So He's been known to do that from time the time and I don't think he was trying to drum drama unless he spoke to someone that was going to sit he knew was going to speak to Chris. Mortensen and say I'm I'm not sure if I'm going to be a comeback. Let's keep that to the side. Though what I WanNa talk about the fact that it should we really be understanding or should we listen to Ben Dan Rothlisberger what he's saying right now. Let's say the answer's No. He has good intentions. It's great to hear the good intentions. It's great to hear that he he is someone that is determined to try and get back. That's the caveat. Here try to get back. He's going to have to try to get back. What I mean by that is that I spoke about this on the next man up? PODCAST as well as steelers preview Hangover podcast on Monday. Eh you're talking about a thirty eight year old quarterback WHO's coming off of a season entering season ending being elbow injury that required surgery. There is no guarantee about anything until Ben Rothlisberger Rothlisberger actually throws in object. Not even talking about football talking about an object because here we are Ben Roethlisberger who says all the right things great to hear it really is but at the same time. He hasn't even thrown anything yet so his intention is awesome. He wants to come back. He wants to be better than ever. He wants to lead this team to a seven for Mardi. That's phenomenal in. If he's able to do that physically he's GonNa give give them a heck of a shot to do that but that's what we don't know he doesn't know it. Doctors don't know it. No one knows it so until Oh that late February early March deadline or timeframe that he is going to actually be able to throw again which means he's going to be other shaved his face We don't know what is going to look like you know He. He can say all the stuff that he wants and you know what if he had some trepidation about coming back if he was literally looking at his life in saying you know what him this season although tough because he was preparing for the season he went through training camp all that stuff if he ordered elicit back and say. I've really enjoyed my time at home. Enjoyed my time with the family with the kids being able to kind of do whatever I want. Maybe I don't know if I WANNA go through this again. If he said that I would understand one hundred percent the fan base would be limited but anyone that is an adult that his apparent that understands understands. That type of situation would understand that. Hey may make sense. Maybe he doesn't WANNA come back but at the same time there's also the Like like I just said that. There's the factual part of this. Where what if he comes back in March and throw something in? It doesn't feel right. What if they'd I never healed properly? What if it requires more surgery? What if there's a set-back what if that March timeframe terms in April may would if that starts did you just don't know just like a pitcher coming off of Tommy? John Surgery in this was not Tommy. John Surgery from everything that we heard in. I'd say we is in the fan. Dan Base in the national media. You just don't know you talk about pitchers coming off that major surgery and you just don't know that bounceback is GonNa look like so to kind of wrap this up Ben Rothlisberger saying the right stuff absolutely all the right stuff but the one thing that we as fans need to keep in mind is that it doesn't matter what he says it's what he's able to do because if he comes back he's able able to throw again but it's not the same arm he can't drive the ball down. The field does out patterns from the Far Hash. Don't get there on time. The new at that turns into turns into interceptions or sometimes pick sixes. We just don't know this is a really really really the difficult spot for the Pittsburgh steelers based on the fact that when he's going to be able to start throwing. Everything goes on the same timetable. That he he is told Told people it's going to be right around. The time of free agency is going to be right around the time of the NFL draft. Now they don't have the steelers. Don't have a first-round traffic in the upcoming draft. But at the same time. I don't know if they would have gone if your quarterback but if you have of an inkling that Benz not can be back to what he was in maybe never will. You're you'RE GONNA have to look for help you know so far. You're in the live chat. I've seen some people say what about like. Marcus Mariota as backup. I I am okay with Marcus. Mariota being a backup. I talked about Marcus Mariota being an NFL NFL caliber quarterback. He's just not a franchise quarterback he would be a good backup in my opinion someone that would come in if he's called upon and be able to win some games could start for a stretch of time and his skill set. Maybe with the steelers would be better than what wasn't Tennessee. You don't know but Mike the coming back to that whole situation with the reality of of this situation of these circumstances is that for Ben Rothlisberger when he comes back back and he starts throwing again. The steelers are GONNA have to make some tough decisions. I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE GONNA cut him not saying they're gonNA release him but at the same time they're they're having to make awesome rule. Quick decisions offer this overall timeframe that we're talking about late February early March so Ben Rothlisberger has talked he is he has spoken to the masses says via social media. Do we listen with intent in terms of his intentions. You listen good to hear. His mind is in the right place. He he wants to come back. He wants to prove the doubters wrong. He wants to win another super bowl he wants to cement his legacy in. NFL folklore but but in terms of the reality of the situation. There's no way of knowing whether he's truly back until he's able to throw again. Hi this is Cara Swisher host of Rico decode. It's been an incredible two thousand nineteen for our show and we recently been honored with awards by Ad Week. They named Rico decode the best technology podcast of the year. And the podcast of two thousand nineteen over all. So if you haven't checked out yet there's never been a better time to start on Rico decode I interview people you need. I need to know in tech and beyond about power change and big ideas. Some of my guests in two thousand nine hundred nine have included. Edward snowden Nancy Pelosi Ronan Farrow Meghan. REPEA- no Oh and Kathy Griffin. You can find some of our favorite episodes at vox dot com slash decode. That's Rico decode an award winning podcast that you should check back out today. Thanks and happy holidays period. That's it so I don't think Ben was being a drama queen that everyone calls him understand it rightfully so. I don't think that he was being a in intent at an attention seeker here. I think he's trying to calm down. He's trying to put out this fire. He's doing the best he can. So there you have it folks. That's my thoughts I'll he would you have to stay in the live chat a couple super chats here to get to Grayson Brown the hater later but the dollar ninety nine is Happy Holidays Jeff in the Family Happy Holidays Youtube Grace in the hope. You've had a great day so far shield ninety one also puts two dollars tip jars is merry Christmas Jeff. Merry Christmas my friend. I hope you all have a really good day And spend it with family friends and just relax a little bit. You know what I mean. Snowman puts five dollars. We won't know anything until he starts throwing the ball. You're exactly right snow until he starts throwing the ball again. No one knows anything. That's a tough situation for the Pittsburgh steelers but I don't know Cathy Forged says when did they project throwing Jephson. I'm like I said late February. I I think is what I heard. March he's not gonNA be throwing anything until they now he'll be doing rehab Instilling that from that respect. They'll be able to Kinda keep tabs on all the stuff you know in terms of okay. His strength is coming back the mobility in his elbows where it should be. He's really starting to see that arm comeback but again. When you're talking about a quarterback just like you'd be talking about a pitcher? You need to make sure that you have his arm back to the way it was you. Can't you have Ben Rothlisberger onto the football field in his. His arm is only seventy five to eighty percent of what it used to be. It's just not the same player period. Just not the same player or now's the time we'll be talking about questions. We done a ton of people in the live chat. Eighty one people right now. Oh that's fine if you have a question and far away in the live chat but I'm GonNa take a minute here to talk about how you the listener whether you're listening live whether you're listening in replay or whether you're listening in audio platform how you can really help the show. 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I might throw up there at some point but I'm going to be okay ads stickers and stuff and so when I get some more that might find its way out but if you have any questions far away we have a couple already coming in. I really appreciate you all being so active on this holiday spending some time with me in between as I'm traveling inbetween between houses though was it the mother-in-laws this morning. We have a little bit of a break. And then we're going to the father in law's later this evening so here we go Sean Manahan is biggest question if he comes back his own line to protect them. And that's a really good question Sean. Because although Ben Roth asperger's mobility shouldn't be an issue but the offensive line has become an issue so for this year in two thousand nineteen. It's it's a far cry from what it used to be. What it once was? In my opinion somebody say the quarterback light not setting up protections correctly not setting up You know making sure that you're diagnosing blitzes prior to the snap so I don't Wanna I don't WanNa say too much. I think that if there's one piece of that puzzle it could be gone after the season and I'm referring to the offense line. I think it's Ramon Foster. You look at his contract. You will get his play. I'd much I tried to pay someone like BJ Finney that money personally. So we'll see There's a lot of people saying Cam Newton in Pittsburgh. I don't think the steelers can afford Cam Newton. I don't think that's I think it's kind of a point Aren't here we go. Mark says any news on pounds. He's knee injury now Tuesday. That was yesterday Saturday. Mike Tomlin held his weekly press conference. He did say the pounds he had a knee injury. That would keep him out. This Sunday did not say the extent of the injury injury the fact that he's not having surgery tells me that it's not a ligament tear. When I say a ligaments here I'm talking about one of those? That is an ACL. Or something. Like that doesn't I mean he doesn't have a ligament sprain or spring of some kind but Tomlin did not give the extended at but did rule out penalty so BJ Phinney will be getting his forth. Start of this season considering. I'm sorry his third start considering he started his two games when Pouncey was on suspension. So sorry about that go. Let's get you some other questions. A lot of people wishing me merry Christmas. I really really appreciate that. I mean listen live. Chat awesome to Z.. North Top could Paxton Lynch realistically get put in Realistically. Yes in my opinion the leash might be a little bit longer than it was for Devlin. Hodges going into week sixteen but it's certainly not going to be ridiculously long in Paxton Lynch Lynch although he has not played yet for the steelers he's been in practice. They've seen what he can do. They've kept him around. That's key. I think that if Devlin heart is goes out and throws the ball the other team like he has been six interceptions in the last two games. Would what else what would you have to lose. You have in my opinion you have to win this game. You have to win on Sunday. We know that we need help. We know the steelers need the titans to lose as they win there and I get it but in my opinion when it comes to the quarterback play you have to win the game. DEVLIN DOT COM is goes out there and plays the way has has lacking confidence not really protecting the football. You're gone you're done and I'm telling Paxton Lynch leading up to this week. Look you better be ready. You better be physically and mentally ready. Because you're going to go in at a moment's notice it just really sucks to me. The Mason Rudolph is not going to be around. AWW put on injured reserve because of his shoulder injury because I thought he looked really good coming in. You know. That's just my own personal thought Let's see here a couple more questions. various things Jeff. Would you like to pick up. Who would you like it to pick up a quarterback this off season couple names? It had been thrown around someone. That's like a journeyman like Ryan Fitzpatrick is one that has definitely been tossed around as someone. That's not going to be under contract next year. The dolphins are probably going to pick up a quarterback. I think what the steelers have learned in two thousand nineteen is when you have an age in aging veteran quarterback like Ben Rothlisberger. You have to have a plan emplacing. Casey had hurt period in. They didn't have in my opinion a very good plan in place coming into twenty nineteen. Yes I thought that it was great. That Mason Rudolph took a step from year one year two. But you can't expect that step from year one year two to be enough have to win you. A bunch of games gave you the playoffs and still is. It still amazes me that we're talking about a potential playoff berth. With the steelers with all that they've been enter this year absolutely incredible. So let's see if we can have Raymond's Antigua Jeff as big Ben. Merry Christmas easy. Raymond I know that you're just messing around. I Love Ben Vernon would put four ninety nine and Jerseys Merry Christmas. I applaud your commitment on a day. Like this I've promised you all that you would get a show a day during the season and this is not my full time job. It is a job. I do make money doing this but I it's. It's just one of those situations where I made a promise. I keep my promises I tell my kids all the time. I promised him to do sometime when they do it so when I told would you all you're going to get a show a day. During the season I can take thirty minutes out of my day in between trips of family and I can talk to you all about some steelers. It was football. I love talking about steelers football now. Yeah Hey I'm Jason Delray. I recently wrapped up land of the giants the rise of Amazon. In this podcast we examine. How Jeff bezos turned a small online bookseller into one of the most powerful companies in the world? We start by exploring how Amazon prime on became a service with over one hundred million members and the main source of the company's Cower. I mean I think that's kind of Amazon's banking on right that you're just so locked in the era. I'm going to go to any other sites. 'cause I don't and we end the season by pondering. The question is Amazon. Too Big you know and we just don't want to be the United States of Amazon on we just really don't land of the giants has been recommended by the New York Times axios wired and more. It's a candidate. Look at the state of Amazon today. How how we got here and what the future might look like? The entire first season is out. Now find out more and binging on apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast cast at Felicia. WHO's a longtime listener? She's Ben's arm counties knees foster to it's not a good sign for twenty twenty. Oh man time is calling look at omb. Anton is undefeated but at the same time the steelers can make some educated decisions news. That can really help. Ease the impact of father time on this team. If Ben Rothlisberger comes back and his healthy and can throw the ball the way that we talked about at the beginning of the show. Chill Markey's Pouncey if he can. Maybe rebound I didn't think mark. He's penalty played poorly this year. Outside of just some really bad snaps at times a strange and I just spoke about fostering regards to the fact that I think that he could be replaced. So we'll see we'll see there's a lot of people saying that what the steelers could guard and I wouldn't be opposed to this. It depends on one player or two one or two is take mad filer. have him be left guard. I think he's better build for guard anyways. So you've you cut Ramon foster you move filer to guard and then you take it all depends on two guys Zach. Banner urge you to court for to be that right tackle. You could do that. Your best case scenario. It's the best case scenario. You'RE GONNA save money on foster being released you're going to have in-house replacements already. Ready to go but like I said you have to sign. BJ fitting in my opinion. Because he's that deputies you're gonNA need him and maybe he will compete for the starting guard job. That's something to think about too so there. We go Kathy Likes Man Times. He's never lost a game They're big MAR thirty four. Hey Jeff Merry Christmas you and your family of a longtime steeler fans. I love my team. Why do we need to get in the playoffs? If our offense is so not so hot. But here's the thing Marv I'm I understand what you're saying. I really do in my own father. WHO IS A? He's a big big steeler fan. I mean he's the reason why I'm biggest fan as I am. He said I don't even want him to make the playoffs and I said that. How can you say that? Just get in. Just get in. Just get into the postseason. It's it's experience for these young players guy. Like Mega Fitzpatrick has never ever played in the postseason. It's not only experiences. It's just a chance to to make play this team with his defense in my opinion can beat anyone. You can beat anyone and it's not going to be easy and they're not going to be favored but I do think they can beat anyone. Just get in and see what happens period Christmas Christmas miracle here we go two thousand nineteen as Iran says Jeff. If Ben's healthy is adorable running back the best edition for the offense merry right. Chris Merry Christmas to you Ron. This is a tough question for me. Based on the fact that I feel like the steelers addressed the running back situation in the draft by picking up any snow. Oh junior and also they have Jalen Samuels and his second year and they picked up care if y junior who I really like the change of pace back. I don't know if the steelers changed their philosophy in terms of how they run the football in actually think about it as more of a running back by committee committee. Then I think that the the stable of back they have are fine absolutely fine at the same time you have a situation where there is a player in the draft. That you think is a must a can't miss prospect even in the second round I wouldn't be opposed to them. Picking Them Up. I'll put it that way. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. North and ask is there a scenario where the steelers or a super bowl thread if they beat the chiefs in the wild card you beat the Kansas City chiefs. Here's what starts to happen. You get used are playing. The it is called the book of Genesis in the Bible the he began. Who who begat? Who Does he go through the the the lineage of the first you ever some at from Avenue Yvonne the turns into the steelers beat the cheese in the chiefs? beat the the Ravens. The Ravens beat the Patriots. So that means the steelers could beat the Patriots in the reiter. That's what the fans do fans can do that. If you get into the wild card game and you go into Kansas City and beat the cheese jeeze you'd better believe people will say what. Wait the steelers did what they beat who you never know and I always go back to. I think it's two thousand thousand thirteen. The seven and nine seahawks has the thirteen and three New Orleans saints in Seattle Marshawn Lynch ran wild and they beat him. They beat him at a at a time when everyone was complaining because the seven nineteen was hosting the thirteen and three team. They beat them. It can happen. It's football. It's crazy a couple few bounces there. You go so Raymond he says we have literally for running backs but none are true number one and I'd rather have one great running back in number two behind him. Watch the seahawks in the playoffs. marshawn Lynch Chris Carson Chris cars and play with his hip injury. But you're right they don't have a number one but look at all the teams that do the running back by committee in her successful in. I asked the question. How many true number one running backs are there in the league? Not at this time. Okay I'll rattle off a few Christian. McCaffrey he'd be at the top of my list. I would say Barkley up there. I put Hezekiah Elliott up there the like him or not. I don't personally. But he's a number one guy other than that. There's the running back position has changed so much Alvin Kamara Camara down in New Orleans is complemented by a couple of other players now and all kind of always has been there before Mark Ingram year. They have a Gus Edwards words in Baltimore. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson. I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the host of the shutdown full cast your avengers as of college. Football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what I mean. It's all spoiled every Tuesday. We talk about everything from cooking disasters. Pro Wrestling's is length. To unfashionable. Pants worn middle school. We also do talk about college. Football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth. Early and unfashionable symbol. Pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly as seriously as it should be taken. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. or in your favorite podcast. AWED CAST APP. I understand what you're saying. Raymond disagreeing but at the same time I think that the if they change their style of how they use these players it could work. It could work because when I think about questions like the one that I just had about running back situation. I'm not going going to be one of these hosts that says. Oh yeah go get go get the biggest free name. The Free Asian out there doesn't matter go get him whatever costs. You know. You can't do that so my thinking as the host and trying to help you all out as much as I can in terms of knowledge and stuff like that is. They're not going to have the money to do that. Add in so if you can have a running back by committee with the running backs you already have. It's GonNa Save you money. You can spend that money other places. That's fine so Raymond response to me. I haven't fine rame. Let's talk man. He said okay. Fine Jeff but if we are going to have a running back by committee then we need to start using them out of the Backfield backfield passing game to. What's our offense coordinator doing that's a different bag of worms? Raymond like I said if they can change their system into more of a running back by committee style. They don't have that right now Then I think they could be okay getting into the rain. Diener Talk I ask you to go back and listen to my my next man up podcast. I did Monday night where I spoke about Randy feet and getting a pass doesn't mean that I understood everything but getting a pass so all right See I can go back here. I think we have some questions. I missed Felicia said the playoffs is awesome. I don't care if we get past the chiefs and the other teams can eat all the hate and disrespect they show against us. Just get in. Just get into the playoffs. That's what it comes down to Ben. Builder puts two dollars in. The tips. Aren't says I see we signed is as we signed the other Fitzpatrick for Miami. Yeah that's what I mentioned Ben. Just a few minutes ago is a lot of people. Were talking about Ryan Fitzpatrick is a guy that could come in and be that number two in then you would have a competition for number three between Mason Rudolph and Dylan. Hodges which I think at this point in time most people there are logical fans would Duck in Mason. Our our third string type quarterbacks at this point in their career we'll see all right A couple more questions here before we call it a show. I didn't want to go too long. I was looking for about thirty minutes. We're getting to that point so Saying go back with my family. All Oh my try think I heard my youngest yellen for me so you might be here in some some noises. That ball of fire comes flying down the hallway Leonard Leonard Green Says Give Benny Snow a stout align and watch them run wild aby. But YOU'RE NOT GONNA be able to replace the whole offensive line off season period period so so all right folks there you go. I really appreciate the one hundred twenty. Two people wow that are actually in the live chat right now. That are watching live on Christmas Day as I sit here in my Santa Claus had and talk about the Pittsburgh steelers and there's my youngest is at here. She comes so with. That said. Remember folks be your very best every single day behind each other. Don't forget like Lance always says tune in telephone and subscribe will see next time for another episode of the standard is a standard.

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Steelers Preview: How the Steelers' 2020 offseason game plan is changing

Behind the Steel Curtain

53:53 min | 8 months ago

Steelers Preview: How the Steelers' 2020 offseason game plan is changing

"Pittsburgh steeler fans welcome back to another episode of the steelers preview. I am Jeff Harmon editor of behind the steel curtain dot com and with me. Just one person right now. That's Mr David Goofy. Deputy editor David Deputy Dave. Deputy that kind of sounds? I like that deputy Dave. What's also deputy dog got an? I'm doing good. Hey have you been have you turn tuned into NFL network to watch one second of the combat? Yeah neither now I've been getting kids to bed. I've been trying to prepare for the show. I have not I had I did see university online. Sukkur dot com the the open thread. is has a lot of comments. That's great. I'm glad that people were tuning into both the combine and behind the curtain dot com to talk about it amongst the community members. That's really cool and we'll do it open threat for every day of the combine said tomorrow night Saturday night. Check it out behind. The Steel Curtain Dot. Com should be your one stop shop for all your Pittsburgh Suzanne. You might be wondering what? O'brien Anthony Davis is he tubing something he might he? He's opposed to join US late We'll see when he gets here but we are going to press on. The schedule is not GonNa Change. We will have an after party. We will still do our steelers preview today. We're going to preview the wide receiver position. We're going to do that last week. Because of the free agent talk got a little out of hand. We pushed it back to this week. So we're going to start off with though we're not going to start off with the wide receivers. We want to start off with the steelers offseason plan and I think that if you ask most steeler fans heading into this offseason. What's the plan and they would give you the well. There's not a lot of cap room you know. What are you GONNA do? But depre- who knows about Ben Rothlisberger? I think you would say the majority of fans would say that right. Dave yeah okay. The plans changing the changing. It's evolving in front of our very eyes for a lot of reasons that we WANNA talk about. First Being Ben Rothlisberger Elise from the peanut gallery and peanut gallery meeting the fan base seeing whether privy to which is one pass of football. It looks like he's back. Kevin Colbert at the combine. Says that he thinks that he's going to be back in eighty better than ever. That might be some smoke being blown but still that's what he said And so that changes things to end. How in your opinion? How does that change? The steelers aussies plans drastically. Because I still don't think that the steelers were going to be in the market. Some people wanted them to get a more reliable backup quarterback. I'm like they're spending too much money on that position. Already with Ben Rothlisberger. They've got to roll with what they have. And you just hope hope that it's banned and if not then it's another year of what we had but I still want to keep his defense intact because I don't think it's going to change too much what they're doing as much as it is. Excitement of how far they can go with what they have if you know what I mean. Does that make sense from a defense standpoint? I agree from an office standpoint. I think it changes a lot because let's be honest. If you're looking at the draft in in Ben Rothlisberger has not been cleared even throw yet or he's only able to throw a tennis ball. Light tennis ball like barely. Just getting that motion down. The steelers might have some might be hesitant in terms of who they draft in how they draft in my opinion. Mrs My opinion. Everyone's entitled to their own. I can say you mean offensively. Yeah because I think right now you gotta be jacked up. They gotTA think we. We need some playmakers now. Well let's just say this. I think whether Ben was healthy or ben wasn't ofensive line was going to be an important there. You know 'cause somebody else you need a better off. It's of line even if you want to. You know it's they need to recycle. Need to get more guys coming in and doing their thing with offensive line. I think where it makes. The biggest difference is tied Enin Receiver. And how you want to address that. I think it's GonNa make a difference. I mean he's technically still counting on the salary cap. Everything Vance McDonalds a big question because they have to decide here in the next couple of weeks. Are they going to exercise their club option for him for this year? I think Ben Rothlisberger. I don't know which way they're going to go with it. But that definitely comes into play with what they're thinking than what they're going to do in the draft at that position. I mean to me with young wide receivers. They have if they're if it looked like they didn't know if they were going to have been. I almost think it would have been a waste to go wide receiver in the draft but now with band. You're like well if we can. If the right weapons there at the right spot then pull the trigger on it and you know get them everything you can't yeah exactly. And so does not. Also forget advancement. Donald is really good friends of Ben Rothlisberger. They're very tight. There's to Bible study. They hang out there wiser friends. We say it all the time. Ben Controls a lot about the roster when we saw the West Virginia basketball game with Ryan Switzer. What did I say Ryan Switzer? Am next year? Just because that's I guess that's the way it goes but I think offensive line is obviously going to be paramount. No matter what but now with Dan looking like he could be back. The steelers are saying all the right things not that we would ever expect them to not say the right things like you said tight end wide receiver. Had they address? That do they trust themselves to get a an offensive lineman like a bj. Finney like mad. Filer like a Kelvin Beecham. Someone that they think has a ton of upside in the back end of the draft. I'm not so sure because those guys although they drafted a lot of them and I didn't name all of them that they've had play for them. Even a guy like Chris Hubbard or one hundred Illinois. Ueva there's been some that haven't panned out to. Let's not forget that and in let's also not forget that nothing is a guarantee in the draft and regardless of whether it's first and third or seventh unit look at Gaddum's Ground Traffic. That didn't pan out so we all can sit here and wax poetic about what position they should or shouldn't draft or specific prospects in and things like that and and that's the hot button. Take right now because the the scouting combines going on and everyone just falls in love with these numbers whether it's a bench press number forty are dash number Everyone is is enamored with it. And there's a reason why the NFL put it in prime time but at the same time. There's so much more to it. But we'll talk about the combine in a second. There's another factor that could change this dealers aussies plans and it's actually a very large factor in. There's a lot of facets to this and a lot of mainstream media are not focusing on all of that and that would be the collective bargaining agreement between the NFL in the NFL pa. Which in case you haven't been paying attention has now gone to vote by the players. All they need is majority vote. That's it just a majority vote. It's gone through all the facets every the player reps all that stuff just a majority now players don't have to vote. They should exercise their right to vote but they don't have to so the lawyers everything I heard on the radio today was the NFL lawyers and the NFL. Pa LAWYERS ARE GONNA fast track this over the weekend. Get it out to the players. Hopefully by the end of the weekend so that next week we should know one way or the other. But this can impact a lot. Dave and explain that a little bit. Yeah what is it impacts a lot right now. Is that today's started the the period for what is it. It's a two week period. I'm pretty sure Of designated the franchise or transition tags on players. Now I didn't hear any. I wasn't looking at other teams but I haven't heard anything of teams using the tag yet. Remember just rumors. Yeah there's nothing official Jesus are GONNA use it but nothing official. Yeah and the reason that teams especially teams like the steelers are GonNa wait is if they can they're still operating under the final year the CBA the lawyers met to see if they could change anything before. This started because the players are voting. But I think if they got a field that it was definitely going to get past they might have done some stuff but they're still kind of up in the air. It's not as as cut and dry. It could be so right now. Teams can use both franchise and transition tag. That's one thing. The other thing is kind of like the boat that the steelers are in right now pretty much because of the thirty percent rule with restructuring contracts or any new contracts teams only option to save cap. Money is to release now. You look like steelers. If they wanted to use a franchise tag on either buddy pre or hargrave that. They don't have the room to do it so they would have to cut players but if there's a new CBA and they could say. Oh we can maybe restructure something then they might not have to release someone that they are not sure what they want to do this so it a lot of that comes comes into play and how they have to figure stuff out so getting a new. Cba what allow the steelers franchise to conduct business as usual much more than what they have to do right now. Right in the dentist in the life. That no one's fretting over the AIDS business as usual. Yes it is but in terms of making these key decisions which can have a ripple effect on your roster. It does matter. It does matter well. I shouldn't you know. Sometimes I try to stay off the comments on social media whether it be facebook or twitter whatnot but I would just say things that aren't really informed for like all the steelers they just push money down the road and restructure a few contracts. You can't do it this year. You can't do it. The only person you could really restructure to get any kind of money is Ben Rothlisberger and I was. I did the math and and confirmed it with a couple of other sources. I got a number three point. Two million out Ben's thirty three and a half million the only thing they can push around to save this year of that would be three point. Two million that's really all that's available in restructures right now under the under the current deal came. Hey we're going into the last year his deal it would be great to get him another deal especially one. That's most of the time when guy signed a new deal. The first year is very low on the cat because most of its signing bonus. He's he's t needs new deal. They can't get rid of Camp Cam. Yeah but they but right now. They're so handcuffed with this thirty percent. Roll getting him deal now. Isn't going to help anything. So that's the thing there's just there's a lot of business. The steelers usually do stuff that they can't do and Dennis responded to my kinds of what matters? Jeff is that we ain't got no money. No not right now. But they could. Could they could bring up money. Yeah because a buddy and the steelers have done that for years right. Now they're handcuffs. We'll see we'll see what happens with the collective bargaining agreement and I don't WanNa get well we might as well. I think it was snowman earlier in the latch. Yes he said the players saving complaining about the CPA. Let's rephrase that can I? Can I go hold on? Let me rephrase with not all players the the players that are the upper echelon have been complaining. You're talking about your top couple of percents right. Your vast majority of players in the National Football League. I guarantee you are not complaining. They're seeing this as seventeen games. Another game check a bump up from the veteran minimum. That's more money. They're seeing better benefits. They like it everything they will even even goes down to in again unless you've read some of these documents which we've posted on behind his so curtain dot com it even goes down to the NFL's including tuition reimbursement. If you want to go back to school and get your degree. They're going to pay for classes. That's not being discussed. But that's part of this collective bargaining agreement and no one's talking about it all they're hearing or JJ Watt Russell Wilson. Richard Sherman Marquees. Pouncey of all people just spouting off endlessly about hated. James Harrison's chiming in James Harrison. You're retired. Why do you care help you James Harrison the entire stuff for for retired players? All right go okay. First of all. I'm going to try to stay calm. If any of you out there really WanNa know there are two members of the Pittsburgh steelers. You need to be paying attention to and what they say. And those members are Ramon Foster and Cam Hayward Ramon foster is the player Rep for the Steelers Cam. Hayward is the alternate player ramp. So some people like. Oh what happens? If the steelers cut foster it's came hayward okay both of these guys and I have an article coming out tomorrow. Thank you told me to schedule it. For eight forty five. Am about it's very interesting. They didn't say how the steelers voted. But if you WANNA look at how both of those players have reacted to other things because obviously i. I'm I'm sure they communicated with what they needed to do you. Could you could draw the conclusion that it's pretty obvious that they voted for this proposal. And for example the thing that's frustrating about all these players and some of the media people and even some of the Pittsburgh media people one in particular keep saying stuff on twitter about about this awful terrible. I'm like please explain what's terrible about it. You can sit back and say it's awful. Tell me why. And that's what's happened with. All these players to their saint like pouncey all heard was F. bombs and s bombs and everything else but still nothing about why it's so terrible especially not respecting the negotiating process. And that's the biggest thing that fosters about respect the process that we've gone through the only person that really offered anything as to. Why was Aaron Rodgers? Who said that? He felt that that there wasn't a enough reduction of offseason voluntary workouts. And you know who stepped up? He didn't address him directly but made tweets about it was cam hayward he's like yeah. Why your people complaining about about having too many ball and Terry workouts? If it's bad for body guess what it's voluntary don't do it. Yeah you know. Don't complain. About how many voluntary workouts there are when they're voluntary. I mean if he took the voluntary off I'd understand. They went back where they fought with the owners. I don't know how far out should say where they met with the owners this week earlier this week on Tuesday. They took out the cap of the number that they had for how much players would be paid for seventeenth game once they implemented. They were working on a contract that was signed before this. Cba They took it out so now everyone no matter how much you make. They add a seventeenth game. You get a seventeenth paycheck based on what your salary is so if you look at both sides the owners want three things from what I understand. Now there's probably a lot more into this but the NFL PA is releasing this other stuff and of course the NFL is going to release all the stuff that makes them look. Good if you WANNA go back at an article this afternoon. Fifty six bullet points of what the players are getting fifty-six this players this is former players. Everything all these things in for the players the main three things that the that the that the owners want is they want the seventeenth game. They want an extra team in the playoffs from each conference. And they want the deal this year. Those are the three things they want and they want it this year because they want to Redo their TV deals even though they're not up yet and but people don't understand is why they want to Redo the TV deals now or not going to get a big discussion about this but right now the economy is good. But there's an election in November and they want it done now with the TV stuff. The locket their deals with them that's why they WANNA now. Those are the three things they want. The players are getting fifty six other things in return. If you take away one of those three take away a third of what? You're getting for the players if if the players don't want to do it this year they're to they're going to get a deal. It's nowhere close to this next year. Nowhere close to this next year to start off. They don't want the seventeenth game. You're basically taken what the owners want and it's not I don't even think the owners want to sound game the TV companies want the seventeenth game and the owners. Want work out the best deal with that. I'm a season ticket holder. One seventeenth game. I don't but I understand that. That's where the money comes from and I know I'm sitting here ranting injustice waiting to say something but you're you catch up with the live chat and let me know how bad people are are. Busting me on this so but not too bad. But so that's what's really going on and I mean they've been working on this deal for ten months and the personally I think I couldn't believe the owners were given the players this much and there are some people that really on the fifty percent fifty percent to up to up that revenue as much as they are it's almost like a steppingstone to where they're going to get to fifty percent. Probably the next deal after this one show. That's the issue but the reason I think this deal's going to pass is is almost sixty percent of the League. Plays playing on either a rookie contract or League or League minimum contract and those are both being raised by twenty percent next year not even adding a seventeenth game. Just imagine just imagine if you worked. Jeff is a teacher. Just imagine that they went out and they got a twenty percent raise for the teachers but people were against it because the principles are screaming who are already making a bunch more money than the teachers that it's not good enough for them. That's kind of what's going on here because it's the guys that are. That are making the big money. They're not going to see a big step in in in in their not seeing big step in salary but all these other guys that that really go out and don't have much time in in the league. They're the ones that are going out. And they're going to benefit from this and and unless the vocal majority or sorry. The vocal minority is drowning them out. It's an convincing them. Otherwise I'm afraid that like Markey's pouncey says this is a bad deal for everybody else coming out here. You got to trust us this. He's talking to guys are going to be on his path. How many guys are in the NFL? And they don't see a second contract. Hello this is David Fox. I'm a senior editor at vulture and I host the podcast. Good one day podcasts about jokes. It's a podcast about well jokes. Every week I sit down with a comedian. Comedy Writer Director Willis to one of their jokes and figure out how it all came together. I don't sit down with a pin in the head and physically write down. Everything has not my style turns out. Comedians take jokes pretty seriously. I like all joes okay. That's what I do. That's what I live. There's really nothing else I care about. It's all very revealing. What did you learn from this? What was your takeaway? I nothing guy and I'm not I'm not a should mark curse good one from vulture and the box media podcast network. Subscribe for free on Apple podcasts. Or on your favorite podcast APP. Do not use the PUCK. This effort a letter. Great Question Just David Fox a lot. The majority of them more guys don't see a second contract than what do so. Don't say that you need to listen to me. 'cause you need to walk out for what's going to happen when you get to my shoes because most of them are never going to get there so why not. Look out for those guys for the time here. Well look the one thing too is that this has been negotiated for ten months. This is not new. And if Markey's Pouncey so adamant about his hatred for it for it. Did he speak up to Ramon Foster? Did he talk to Kim Hayward and really voice his displeasure with what was going on? Or is this all breaking news? Because it seems like for a lot of players. This isn't new now. The one thing and honestly I'm not siding with either because I just want football just like probably not only nine percent of people in the live chat right now may just one football because honestly this is a business for us behind the steel curtain dot com is a business. It's our business is poss- cat podcast. Platform is our business. And if we don't have football is not the off-season lockout is a lockout and I've been through one of those already in. It sucks you can't talk about anything because there's nothing ahead at least in the foreseeable future but there's a lot of things that are minute show in this deal. That aren't talked about that. I Love I love the fact that they're going to expand rosters that they're gonNa have a third person that can come into reserve that the practice was going to gain two more players. These are all really good things that a lot of us have said for years that they should be doing. Oh my gosh expand the game day roster. Yes do it. And they're doing it so yes. Seventeen Games will be weird. I'm sure they said the same thing when they went to sixteen would it? Would it be nice to have well for one? It wouldn't have mattered for Fred Johnson. Would it be nice if the steelers still had Patrick Morse right now? They moved up when Pouncey was suspended and then lost him to waivers to the broncos. Guess what now a player can be moved up from the practice squad to the to the active roster two times and not be exposed waivers. Yeah I mean there's a lot of good things but I don't know how much you know that. She's better for the game but I don't know how much they're people here. Only with the mainstream media says what are they saying? Seventeen games seventeen game recap and all that stuff and three games. That's all they're here but with that. We Bring Anthony Davis. Who's back from the East lobes? He's running back. Uh maybe how's a gallon there? Brian how are you I do and great fellas doing awesome? Thanks for waiting on me and Your patients but I'm here and I'm sure that the lots of Nice things were said about being my absence. So good we said you were shredding the mountain after Shredding Announ actually tubing but guys. This is after party stuff but I don't go on skis. Ski Instructor looked at me. And Said for God's sakes man just get down so we've all been there pointer lies I think so. Let's go into the car. Wraps up our headline which was the steelers. Off-season plan is changing and is going to change. But it's not just the steelers really any team the steelers specifically because of Ben Rothlisberger coming back because of the confidence in him coming back. It's GonNa Change and things so stay tuned Ben Rothlisberger. Still some stuff going on he stores. I think he's he's probably back in Pittsburgh by now. He had a couple of other sessions out in California. The news coming back spurred he's not going to be clear until probably around. Ota'S WE'RE TALKING May June. Then he'll be good to go by the end of July Island airport training camp so exciting stuff for the steelers exciting stuff. Let's get into. I just can't address one thing that was brought in the live chat. I'm going to bring it up here. Yeah that it said that all fifty three or if they get fifty five players should be active on Sundays Games. I'm adamant against that. And that is because they have that in there for competitive balance one because a team who has a lot of injuries versus a team that has no injuries the team or no injuries automatically just has more personnel. Now once you get more than seven injuries that you're dealing with that sorry that you're just GonNa have to do that but I think that's bad for the players because let's say you have a rookie contract or you know who was an undrafted free agent or six pick or something like that but trying to stick around. That isn't one hundred percent you. If you're going to address all these guys then he's going to dress and maybe go out there and hurt his career but he's a guy that you know you're not a hundred percent. We got arrests seven. We gotta sit seven guys anyway. So we're going to give you this this week off. That's better for that player so it makes it more balanced competitively. Brian disagrees on this one. If I if I recall the his thinking on it I might be off there. But that's something that I feel now if they want to change the number I understand but that's the whole reason it's in there so one team who's dealing with with injuries and and it keeps them from having to put guys on. I R that they wouldn't have to otherwise because they could just have them enact on their inactive list for a few weeks you know Dave the only thing that that I would like to see them doing that. I get what you're saying. I'm not really GonNa pooh-poohed that at all I mean I don't think what you're saying is off base. The only thing that I wanna see them do is just say. Look you have an extra slot? You have fifty. You have an extra slot for third quarterback and just everybody because they used to do the emergency quarterback. I remember that. But you know it. Just look. We're not gonNA penalize you. Everybody has if you WanNa take advantage of that extra spot and put a quarterback in there. You're allowed to knock penalized because I mean really we? We saw a couple of guys go down in the same game and wasn't the rule with that back in the day that quarterback if he came in before the fourth quarter he had to be the only quarterback that played the other two. Couldn't come back in. I remember that. Yeah yeah there were exact roles. I can't even remember the time period. I know is late nineties. Maybe what you really? You can't go with just two quarterbacks on Game Day roster it's just I mean it's disastrous like the NHL's emergency goalie driver and now which has been in place forever and if you follow hockey you seen situation the first time it happened It's rare but it's part of the game and I know I listened to some sports talk radio this week and they said that in the NFL they should have emergency kickers that if kicker goes down they have someone that maybe as soccer experience. Maybe a d. one kicker but never got drafted or isn't in the xfl name. You know they can go out and kick your team. I don't know I think it's our easy. It's crazy wasn't Jean. Claude van Damme. That made the an amazing say that game seven of the Stanley Cup finals. Who would famous playing in that Brian? As Dave you know and that navy. He's actually a recreation of an action of final. Yeah because it was. I thought it was the Los Angeles kings kings because it was shoot lives at the Minor League hockey team that I grew up watching. The wheeling thunderbirds actually played the opposite team of the Penguins in the movie sudden death. They did. They had to wear their jerseys. It was Because it was it was filmed in Pittsburgh the blackhawks or the sides tonight ninety two. His paintings Blackhawks Cup. Final and Jean Claude. Van Damme comes in and saves the day. I know it's not the after party but if I could say something real quick about an emergency goalie back in the in the late. Eighties nineties the Johnstown chiefs had to bring in their trainer to be the emergency goalie and that emergency goalie was a A Johnston who played for Westmont high school a Johnstown Kid. The got to come in and got the win. His name's Dana Hines. And the reason you know that an the equipment manager his his mom and Dad were a teacher of mine just a wonderful family and I remember him coming in and like hometown boy gets to play a minor league hockey game. As the emergency goal Lakers. They were just out of people and the coach at the time was one of the Hanson. Brothers Steve Carl. Very quick to give people a taste of the the after party. I'd like to do this because our after party. Numbers are not the same the equivalent of the preview. Since give you guys. Is there any better John Club ending? Maybe the blood sport I don't think so. Plus was the best time Lionheart Lionheart. I thought Alad. Oh it's a lot like what sport well I I like to. What was the one where he was the Cajun Guy and they were in the Mardi Gras warehouse hard target? I liked that one now. We're we're getting after party stuff. Because I'm about to say all right you're jean-clude clam dam or call them that include or Steven seagal sisal Stevens ago. Good Lord Okay. All right. Let's get this party. Yes that's just a taste of the after parties and actually check us out after this. Now let's get to our wide receivers. This is something we typically do in the off season here on the preview preview one position. And we're GONNA go to the wide receivers today and we're going to break down the players that are on the roster in we'RE GONNA. Kinda GIVE A GENERAL SYNOPSIS. Of what might happen. This off season. Who might stay whom I go? Who might step up? Who might take a step backwards? So Dave. Do you have the depth chart there. You said you were going to get the depth chart. I said I was pulling up to the. I think I got it my brain though. Because we've got we've got juju Smith Schuster we've got. We've got my favorite player of all time data. Johnson we've got we've got James Washington. Yep We've got Dion Cain we've got Ryan Switzer Bingo. We've we've got Johnny Houghton. Oh He's the best. Yes and we've got let's Dharma how was it? Arvo Armagh Dr Darbeau mixed up our data USA. Dharma and Greg or something. We are already have department. You're leaving out estes that one. Oh is the futures guys are Jamal custom and Quadri Henderson. Anthony Johnson that must have been assigned. That wasn't one of the original signings but that sounds familiar. So I'm going to say you probably correct. All Right said to expedite the process a little bit. Are we assuming that any of the players that we can't pronounce their names or on reserves contracts are not GonNa make the twenty twenty roster? You mean are you talking about the dash guys. Well Yeah. Is there anyone that you see on that list that you're like yeah? I could see maybe making the team in some way shape or form. Anyone Quadri Henderson as a return man. I don't know that's the only thing of I liked. I mean but I kind of like the Anti Johnson back there for now but like you say the second pro and that as she gets as he gets to be a better receiver. You won't WANNA put him back there. And when it came the kickoffs white around I thought he did find and has the speed burst for the kickoffs. So I don't know about someone committing just as returner the answer. Can I think canes go so yeah Kane should well no? He's not a futures guy I know he's I would even say Dasha people know Kane in Pittsburgh now. So let's get into the Brian. Was anyone that you is out of the guys. That are a little more irrelevant. Yeah I'm thinking more Adobo. What attracts you better model. What is it Marla Amara? Dark Blood Amara. He was on the active roster at the end of last year. He just was never active. So sorry who was on the actress using the fifty three man roster he would just never active on Game Day there. Okay all right. So let's get to the top top six and say because they typically keep six wide receivers. Dave you do that yes. All right ziggys unlock deontay. Johnson's Lachin's Washington is the Loch Nan. Nothing after that in my opinion is certain Johnny Houghton is a lock. Oh Gosh I don't know I know. I mean they've the Jones for these they loved the HP they love Darius Haywar Bay. They loved this little. Johnny Holton they want that specific guy to be an emergency wide receiver in your governor and your your special teams guy. They love him so I think he's a look. Okay Day Diego. The only way that changes because honestly he does not give you anything to receiver a mean and they put him out there on the field on a play that they knew they were running. And I'm like it didn't even. That's what made you a hundred percent. It was going to seventy two eligible johnny holding with the only receiver. Come on. They're going to. They're going to run the ball. So Oh let's try to throw them off. We'll go see James Washes out there. And then we'll throw it well Duh. Of course you're going to throw it when you put someone else out there you gotta put him out there all the time anyway. Let's get away from that. The only way that happens is if you have another player that is a great gunner because they have another one now. They have another one because he beat out already burned lane match. Justin Lane if you get another gunner that let's say just comes out of nowhere and training camp then you don't have to use wide receiver for that. So I would. I wouldn't say he's a lock but I would say until someone else emerges as a gun or at not a wide receiver. Then keep it okay. Citizen that's four. There's chief spots left. The question now is who claims the last two spots but before we get to that is do they address wide receiver in the draft. Brian will start with you. I think they do. It's probably a fourth round draft pick. It's something like that. The they'll probably look at that but not early. They're they've too much stuff to do early. You have an edge rusher no matter what happens with with Bud Dupree. You have a Lineman you have to get and you. You're probably looking at getting a tight end. Regardless of what happens as well. They want to get a running back. They might even get a running back relatively early So you know. I think it's down the line but maybe possibly afford at the earliest but maybe a sixth or seventh. The probably address it but I. I don't think it's going to be a big prospect. Dave what are your thoughts on? It all comes down to Ben Rothlisberger and how bad he wants Ryan Switzer because if Ben Rothlisberger once Switzer. I think they're going to keep Dion Kane and therefore their best bet would be not draft the wide receiver until fifth or later and then hope that they can have them on the practice squad for a year because some people are still thinking that prolific guy in the second round. And he's he falls. Do you take them. Then you're GonNa then you're going to be making Ben Mad. They have kept seven wide receivers of it. You know in the past that they have but that's kind of pushing it. You WanNa know my theory. Here's what I think's going to happen. They're going to take a wide receiver in the second round. If not the second the third they're looking for one of the dynamic. This is a deep wide receiver class. Summer saying this is one of the best wide receiver classes in the last decade in terms of depth in quality of player. They won another playmaker because they think they will just really help round the offense especially Vince healthy. So then you're saying okay. Who'S GONNA go? I think the Dion Cain if he can prove that he's a gunner. We'll make Johnny Houghton expendable. They can get rid of it. I could see Justin Lane like you. Said is the proven goner. I could see Dionne Kane saying look. I'll do whatever it takes to make this team. It means rundown on special teams tackle. I'll do it. And if he's I think he's just as fast probably and he no he offers more as a receiver. Then you can cut Johnny Holden and you can live with it so I could live with that option in. Bryant's which is probably going to be. Yeah I mean Ben wants what he gets. He gets what he wants here. I am in there you go. I mean there comes to a point where it's like. Yeah I know he's your guy but you know we're thinking about more than that more than what you want their pal. I think the the quarterback should have some say in the. He's throwing the football too but he shouldn't have the ultimate say you know he shouldn't he then again we also don't know if he does have the ultimate say well it it should be because he's it should be because he's a good player and can help the steelers. Not because he's a guy that you like to go hang out of basketball games with you know what I'm saying you can tether Dave Scofield and Brian Anthony Davis together and we would have more yards after catch than Ryan. Switzer will be Yak machines. Usually Yak machine did together so he comes down to sit players. I think that's the assumption is that they're gonNA keep six and in a position to watch throughout the offseason especially throughout free agency and the draft. There's nothing to say that they won't go and look for a veteran wide receiver although I think Dante Moncrieff might have soured them on that Brian would know more than anyone. I think you're starting to work on your wide receiver article in terms of. Who's out there if there's anyone that's attracted might fit their price range which is basically nothing. Brian's ready for tomorrow actually. It will be debut in tomorrow. It's in the queue so it's coming so you know the top five that you're looking at number one. I mean not a chance. It's a Amari Cooper. Of course you guys in the top five the one guy that I thought would have been a great option and he signed with the Lions back with the Lions on. Monday was Danny Amendola. Would've actually been a really good option for what he's done last year and what he's done in the last few years but he went back to. Detroit. That was the guy that I was really looking at the other ones you're looking at are like Robbie Anderson led a character issues. They're in the top five. I mean there's there's more guys down the road a little bit that that haven't had that aren't big names but you probably bring a cheap option like that in I league. What Ali says in the live chat he said if Dante Moncrieff can make a roster after this year David Brian Ken. I agree with that. And then I also agree with Sean Manahan. He says Dave your kicker now teen not sure not sure if we want that but hey if days did a game in their in a pinch I mean he's already wearing Cam Hayward's Jersey to say. Hey give him camps helmet. Just throw else no. No one will now are extra points. Yeah good good well. The extended extra point. That's means you need to do this again. Soapy hit the thirty five yarder. It wasn't on film. I don't know I kind of lost track. I mean I don't know I it. Everytime years ago he he hid it. He hid it on just jogging. Let's get isn't trivia time for me to put on my dunce cap and look like an idiot compared to Brian days. So David the Oracle as Lance Williams are. Sorry Sir Lancelot calls you. Why don't you go ahead and give gifts which got okay? Well I've got some interesting stuff. I was looking at wide receiver. Stuff of course seen here and just thought I'd look at stuff. I Know Jeff. Let's talk about you. Know maybe some that were where they were drafted or anything else. I decided I was going to look at catch percentage new meaning. Now this has been this only like if you're using a pro football reference. This has only been a statistic. They use since nineteen ninety-two. Because it's basically receptions divided by targets off. The player was targeted Audi receptions they had off of but so I went in and I said okay. Well let's look at how the steelers have done since one thousand nine hundred and who has a new as the best and I said well. You can't just do it. Cause some guys who could be it would be Zach. Gentry who caught one pass yards or target in his his stats. By the way I looked at that you're I went with. I went with fifty. If they've had fifty catches what fifty targets and I said who has the highest catch percentage since did tiny to for the steelers and it was fifty targets? Moore? And I'll be honest with you. Drop way down to ten targets and it was still the same player they have an eight. Don't look it up Ryan the K. Eighty percent steelers as as a wide receiver though it could be a wide receiver or tight end. I did both of them. I didn't do running backs. Running backs didn't count that I'm GonNa go with Heath Miller. Good percentage he. When I think he's Miller I don't think of him dropping a lot of passes. Well you also have to remember because this also includes what if the quarterback is the ball away and throwing it at your feet. You know what I'm saying to where you couldn't really catch it or anything. Miami's reminding I get I get it all right. Brian which I guess we were Charles Johnson. Are you ready? Because it is with an eighty percent catch rates. Eighty percent forty four receptions on fifty five targets from pretty shirts. Two hundred and eighty five yards are around there and one career touchdown your best catching wide receiver in steelers. History is one Ryan Switzer. Oh my gosh. Here's a question I'm not done. All right what's crazy is what you're doing. Get fifty targets or more he has. He has the highest catch percentage but he has the second lowest yards per target. The only person is lower yards per target was would be Mark Bruener. Nice all right. So he's only targeted for five point zero nine. He only has five point nine yards per target. So that was kind of that. But you guys WanNa know out of fifty out of fifty targets or more who has the lowest pat catch percentage since? You didn't get fifty targets linus weed. Did he ever did even get fifty targets because he was for three seasons Jamie Coats. There's your answer. It's because same coach. And so they know. Highest is catch percentage of the steelers. He said he said Switzer's has one touchdown. Right one touchdown score against I remember. It was a it was they. Were on the one. Was it the one or two yard line. And it was a little out and he was barely in the end zone because throw the ball down the field. I'm Brian Genet this. The three twitter Switzer's only touchdowns against I was GONNA say the Jacksonville Jaguars I was GONNA say. The Cincinnati Bengals was it. I've not he was knocked. Knocked around and interfered with against Jacksonville. That's what I was thinking of Gosh I don't remember Ryan Kelvin's got it Tampa. Is the Monday night game? I was that that Monday night game. Yeah Okay was animal game and it was where he caught a going out of bounds. N- is actually a good good. Play out Brian. Anthony Davis his son is alive. Jad Welcome Connor. Thank you for peace in. Hello Dad other Ohi bad. He's the I was looking at the the youtube comments the other day because Jeff always don't like youtube comments so it was after my show so I looked and the first thing I see is like that Brian guys. My Dad and I looked at least my son's case who you listen to show you know BRIANCON. My mom has been in the live chat. Lances mom has been in the live chat Dave Day as a show with his brother. It's a fail and his sons in the live chat. My other nephew sometimes is in the live chat. Had My daughter on the show as true. It's a family affair. All right we're segman ever for my trivia I just looked up some stats as well and I was just stunned by some of the names Career Statistics and I looked at receiving yards per game. I think most of you will be at a guest who leads that category for the Pittsburgh steelers right probably should be per game. I would say receiving yards per game. Yes rather be Antonio Brown at eighty six point two in that was from two thousand ten to two thousand eighteen hundred and thirty games. The questions unit. Who second game is an reception receiving yards per game? This is an old time player. Played in sixty six games. Mario Lemieux from one thousand nine hundred fifty nine to nineteen sixty three. He averaged seventy one point six receiving yards per game. Ob Nickel no buddy. Dial you got it buddy. Dial seventy one point six receiving yards. Sixty six games this crazy. No No. You're fine. He the biggest thing was I was surprised with issues. Third in receiving yards per game. Sixty eight point nine yards per game only played in forty two games in his player on the ultrasound. Juju has got to be there because of the long correct Juju Smith Easter with sixty eight point nine. Now here's another interesting stat and this and the last one for me. I looked at receptions per game clearly Antonio Brown would be I at six point four. There's a tie for second is too. They're both modern era players. Now this Sandra Steve Tytler -ception well. This would be well. I don't want to give it away. But they they might be another position. Okay so it could be like a running back receptions per game. I'm GonNa say that that Mr Naked Rob might be up there with comedy Seventies. He is one of the two the S era at five receptions per game five and the other one bright already got one. I was GonNa let you. We know it's five because they're tied for second. I mean heath comes to mind but I'm sure it's not that I know. He had too many games early reception. Mike Wallace Jiji's misuse juju. Kaz Eugene Levy on Bell tied at five receptions per game on average. I just was stunned. That lady on bell had five per game average. I mean we didn't play as long as Antonio Brown but still but but look at the number of games where he had like ten receptions because they were just constantly just flaring it out to which is basically like a run play. Because they're throwing by scrimmage get old but the dial seventy one point six yards per game and then my next guest was Gary Bauman because those are the three old guys that I could think of. Ray Mathews Gary Baldwin all right. That's it for me bad. Go ahead all right so I hope there's not any holes in this question but who was the last single season receiving leader wide receiver to not be drafted by the Pittsburgh. Steelers okay so you said he's the last person wide receiver we're just in general wide receiver wide receiver for the steelers wasn't recipe to lead the team in receiving yards receptions and he was not drafted steelers. I Know Khatri led the team in touchdown. Lead in in receiving yards. Back is Was He i? Don't think the anti pig pen not unless they were. The San Diego chargers tape ends. It is great guy favorite player job. Jeff thank you I just did. I kept on thinking about all the time. I mean the steelers draft wide receivers. Well they always have. And that's a good question is a good one great middle name by the way but is it. Unc Dirk Big Ben dirt how to get against the dirt. Burke I throw it. What board to you guys shares? Nineteen ninety-two. There's only one. This is wide receivers and like I said I didn't. I didn't include running backs one player on the steelers that has an a a two-thirds catch percentage meeting sixty six point seven percent and nine yards per target. Can you say that again? But he has he has at least nine yards per target and cat has catched a catch caught at least two thirds of his of his targets. I don't know Brian and he says in Nineteen ninety-two since Nineteen ninety-two. Only one steeler has that. They've caught more than sixty six point. Seven percent of their targets and as at least nine yards per target. So they need to catch the ball. Well and get a lot of Argu- Rosie Nix. Now I would probably think Let's just go with Mark Bruener that we're going with jude you G. I can't believe all these of cause. Yeah he's I mean he's really got. He's got nine one nine yards per per target not per reception target. But that goes up when you catch a lot more of your targets. 'cause you got someone like Mike Wallace's over ten. He had he crazy but the problem was his catch. Percentage was under sixty so but but he would like. He's the answer any anytime. You're doing sealers Trivia. And you want to know about like yards per catch or yard for. It's going to be Mike Wallace. That's gotta be because he you know. How many times did he have? Oh a one hundred thirty six yards on three completions touchdowns you know what I mean. That's the kind of quick ten more. Juju facts come on W J J you Ju Ju all right all right. 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Steelers Burning Question: Is Pittsburgh's Super Bowl window closing?

Behind the Steel Curtain

15:43 min | 1 year ago

Steelers Burning Question: Is Pittsburgh's Super Bowl window closing?

"Pittsburgh Steeler fans going on. This is Jeff Harmon editor of behind the steel curtain dot com here for another episode. The second episode of the Steelers podcast the Steelers burning question in these podcast. It's where I take one question, which is typically being discussed amongst the Steelers faithful could be recently could be over in the offseason. Whatever the case may be and I talk about whether or not I feel that this is actually true false or maybe just answer the question in general Francis last week and our debut episode. I said what should the Steelers do with Antonio Brown? If you want to check that out you can find that on our YouTube channel as well as on all our podcast platforms. But today a little bit different topic. Today's question the burning question is is this Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl window closing? Say that will more time in the pits is the Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl window closing. Now before I go any further answering this question in my own opinion. I think it's important that we try to figure out exactly what you would define as a Super Bowl window before we could say whether it's closing or not. This may sound ridiculous. But if you think about it the AFC playoffs NFC playoffs are certainly ongoing right now. Would you think that before the season? Indianapolis Colts fans would say that there. Superbowl window is wide open. I'd probably say no because Andrew luck hadn't played coming off that shoulder injury where he hadn't even thrown a football. They had a head coach in Frank Reich. He was really the the secondary option after Josh mcdaniels backed out of the deal ah defense. It was completely left for dead. Essentially, no, one really gave them any respect a lot of rookies. Lonely offense line. In other words, not to go through their entire depth chart. I think the most people would say that they never had a Super Bowl win the open heading into the season. I can Pittsburgh Steelers history. And I say there's teams the eighties and of the early nineties thinking teams, you know, that I grew up watching teams were quarterback by Neil O'Donnell who made it to Super Bowl quarterbacks by Kordell Stewart, he made it to several AFC championships. Heck even Tommy Maddox when he was the quarterback. Would you consider those times those quarterbacks those teams to have Super Bowl windows that were open over they closed. That's the question. We have to answer enough for me. Just the we're all on the same page were on a level playing field for me. I say that a Super Bowl window is officially open when you are a viable contender to win the Lombardi trophy period the window would be closed if it would take a modern miracle for you to win a Lombardi trophy. For instance, things would have to go on your way t- players would have to extreme. Really? Would plan to play well above what they're expected to do to actually go out and win championships. That's my definition you might differ. But I just wanna make sure the world on the same page before going further talking about this Steelers team in whether they're Super Bowl window is closing or whether it's going to remain open for my first statement. I have to start an end it with number seven Ben Rothlisberger. If the Steelers. Extend Ben Rothlisberger contract as they reported Guli going to do as Lance Williams by host who does the said that he's going to be a little teaser for his upcoming show. He's an say that maybe the Steelers shouldn't do that. But if they do that and Ben Rothlisberger continues to play high level football. I think as long as that's going on the Steelers window is at least a little open. It might not be gaping. But it's a little open not shut entirely. How did they Antonio Brown way into this? We'll certainly if Antonio Brown's on the team. It's going to help there. It's going to help their cause it's going to make a case for them to be Super Bowl contenders. Every time they take the field. Even if they are extremely underachieving as they weren't two thousand eighteen so there's a lot of other questions, though, Ben Rothlisberger key is we don't know anything about when we know little bit about Joshua Dobbs. Mason Rudolph third round draft pick. I mean, people think that he could be the future. But we don't know that we've only seen him in the preseason. He was very rough around the edges as expected had never been taken snaps under center since high school. I digress. I look around they lie. I look around the positions on the Steelers current roster ostensibly defend the offense of line yet. It's getting a little older little long in the two. They got some backups ready to go though. I mean, you look at BJ Finney chew Chor four Gerald Hawkins. He can get healthy. You've got mad filer me. They're going to need to probably spend some draft picks on some lime in in the in the near future. But ultimately, I actually don't mind their depth losing a coach like by lunch would hurt. But at the same time they've proven that they can restock the well so to speak running back very young yet. Jalen Samuels change, Connor. That's the future of the position for lease the next three to four years. So that's pretty good wide receiver. I know I touched talked about Antonio Brown. James washington. Don't know what he's going to turn into yet juju Smith Schuster is. Now, a proven commodity they're going to have to draft some receivers tied in Vance McDonald. He's he seems to be as advertised unlike his first year in Pittsburgh, which was very injury prone. Then you know, you're going to have some question marks and any team every year. But I think the Steelers row K on offense even in the future. Then you go to defense the defensive line style with Cameron Heyward Steph onto Jalen Hargrave all on. Under the they're pretty much. I mean Cam Hayward's probably he's the oldest of the three, but he's not old by any stretch of the imagination linebackers or young. They're going to have to fill some holes at inside linebacker, obviously safeties or young cornerback Joe Haden, obviously already burns not. So sure what I'm trying to say here is that. Although some people want to say, well, you know, what the windows closing it all really hinges on on Ben Rothlisberger. Because even though Ben Rothlisberger had a very good statistical season this year his one statistic that heard him where sections. So if you're like me, you might watch this and say, well, yeah, I mean he threw for five thousand yards by the league and touchdown or a you know, let has had a new team record for touchdown passes. But at the same time he also had ridiculous interception numbers. So if I'm if I'm a just looking at it strictly from a fan for. Perspective. I asked myself could Mason Rudolph with a few years unrest belt go in and do not as much statistically. But the same. I had to think. Yes. He is a proven throw or the football. And let's be honest brought this a ton of Texas year. So even if a younger quarterback whether Dobbs at Rudolf were to go in and be a little careless with the football. Or makes mistakes is nothing. This team isn't already accustomed to. Now, I hope that Rothberg can bounce back. Next season have a good statistical season, including not throwing as many interceptions. But at the same time. I asked myself these numbers that he's putting up are not really necessary to success the five thousand yards did not even get them to the playoffs. Let alone a deep run into the postseason. They need to run the ball more. That's been established. We've talked about that on every single podcast. We have here ad nauseam that they need to be more balanced. They shouldn't be so past heavy into of Antonio Brown left. The trade. Maybe Ben Rothlisberger. Retires. Well, here's your proven commodity on offense, then the running backs, and you do have juju juju out there as a wide out. But at the same time James Connor is going to be your cash cow, and they're gonna use him as such they're going to run him might be a good thing for this team. Here's my point. I think the Steelers have done a tremendous job and it hasn't gotten a ton of publicity of restocking, the well as they go when you think about the positions where are the most concerning quarterback is one of them. It's of line is the other you will defense. I think really with quarterback. We just don't know the depth with cornerback. I mean already burns not painting out. Let's assume he doesn't pan out. I do that the safe bet at this point if he doesn't pay now, that's a huge nece in the draft is the number one draft pick, and it's going to set the position back other than that. I mean inside linebackers Shazia got. Hurt is is a clear need. We're talking only a few positions here. So let's bring this full circle. Let's come all the way back to the start the Steelers Super Bowl window closing. It may be closing a little bit. But I don't think it's shot at in any way, shape or form in Steeler fans are pissed off right now. I get it. I get it. You're angry you're angry because the team that you thought was fully capable of winning a Super Bowl in two thousand eighteen didn't even make the postseason you're angry because they were seven two and one at one point after ten games, and they didn't even make the postseason finishing with a nine six record. You have every right to be upset. But at the same time, let's not forget some of the basics of looking at future of a football team. And it's looking at the depth looking out of the team is drafted. And I think that this Steelers team while they might not be the, you know, everyone's looking at Vegas odds. They're looking at who people consider to be the AFC top dog and the preseason and is being talked about in the media. They might not be that team without a guy like Ben Rothlisberger or Antonio Brown. That that does not mean they cannot go out. They can't win football games. And they can't make the playoffs and make a run we've seen it before. I mentioned those quarterbacks in Steelers history that have done it. There's more than I named. But although Ben Rothlisberger is tremendous talent. And is a franchise quarterback and the best quarterback in Steelers history, in my opinion. But at the same time, I think the Steelers are slowly preparing themselves for life after Rob's burger. That's a good thing. So for me, it might be closing a little bit. But it's not shot. And I don't see it being shut for a few years, folks. This team's going to remain competitive. They've shown that under Mike Tomlin. They're going to do that. They might not always be in you know, a Super Bowl contender. But to me the Super Bowl window is could you win a Super Bowl? And I think the Steelers could win the Super Bowl there might be some laws when Rothlisberger retires. But I think they'll bounce back quickly. And I think that's one of the benefits of being a Steelers fan is at this team is organization. From art Rooney the second to Kevin Colbert to Mike Tomlin all the way down to the players. They do a really good job of constantly keeping the talent moving through the organization. No more. Do we see as Bill cower years where it was just really really dead? I mean think about in two thousand and three that was the year that the the cower I want to say that the vinyl records six and ten and that led to their pick of Ben Rothlisberger. If they don't have those years very much anymore because it's just it's more of a level playing field. They're doing a great job of restocking, the well, so keep that in the back of your mind to I don't think it's close it might be closing a little bit. But that doesn't mean that it's shut completely sust dealer fans are really angry right now. And a lot of times that can lead you to look at things at a very negative light. Sometimes you can't always do that you have to look at it for more of a realistic standpoint. And I see that as for the Steelers to prove that they can continue to win even without some of these key names. But the hope is that these teams are going to be. I'm back that includes Antonio Brown because you have been aby juju James Connor and that offense when they're healthy. And now, you think about in the future, you could have more. You're more salary cap space with a fourteen point five million dollars at lady on Dell left behind you're going to have an increase in the salary cabin general. They might actually get a gun gets defensive players in free agency. And then they get a couple of draft picks. I personally feel this team's only a few players away. You might laugh at me and say that I'm a Homer. And that's fine. It's not the first time in called that. But ultimately, I feel like this team is few players away from being a civil champion. Will they get it done? Well, two thousand eighteen proved a lot, but at the same time that doesn't mean on paper they aren't capable of getting it done. So what do you do at this point? You're watching live on YouTube. Go into the YouTube comments want this art at wanted his posted, and I finished and let us know. What do you think you think the Super Bowl windows closing or do you think that it's? Still open. If you're watching or listening on audio form or maybe you're listening or watching on the article behind the steel curtain dot com. Make sure you also check out the the comment section below the article, and let us know what you think is it still open is it slam. Shut. Does it all depend on number seven? Does it? Depend on my Tomlin. Let us know what she think so little community. We have who wanna make sure your voice your opinion. And lastly, make sure you're checking us out on all of our podcast platforms here on YouTube search BTS's Steelers radio subscribe like we appreciate all the support their on behind the curtain dot com. You'll be able to find all the articles of the length. But if you don't just go to our audio platforms aren't nineteen Google play. I tune Stitcher. Spotify were everywhere if you search Steelers you'll find us it makes you do that. Because that's where you're gonna find Lance Williams. 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The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Steeling Thunder

Cincy Jungle

1:30:15 hr | 2 years ago

The Orange and Black Insider Bengals podcast: Steeling Thunder

"Just when you think your heart rate could be raised enough, the Cincinnati bangles for the second week in a row, pull out in absolute stunner to get the foreign one and her top the AFC north division everyone has gone. It's Anthony Costanza with the orange, black inside are once again, and even though the Bengals have a handful of great winds already this season, they've got a big game coming up this Sunday week. Six. We'll talk about that. Just a second. I'm joined by usual coz John, Sharon, John promise that wasn't mad at you last week, man. On purpose. I, I don't know what happened there, but we missed you for the rest of the show. We got a couple of questions in from you to our to our other gentlemen joins us, and then about one commenting. About the falcons dolphins and then you went by. So it's good to have you back in hopefully no little Google demons will get you this time a plea, not of those guys in we will home not only in for the night. You must've piss off the corporate don't. I don't know anyway. Great. Great to have you back obviously exciting past couple of weeks or the Bengals. Right? Like they can't get very, I guess, let's try to recap what the hell happened. Last Sunday. Once again. Cincinnati. Cincinnati had a different kind of comeback against the falcons right. There were kinda going toe to toe that score. It was just kind of score for score for story out a couple of of, you know, holding the the opposition to no points and all all that kind of stuff. But for the most part, especially first half it was like a toe to toe game right. This was a different kind of comeback. This was your play, like absolute garbage for two and a half quarters, and literally. Every facet of the game was not working. There were getting early in the wrong game. They couldn't get any kind of semblance of rhythm on offense. The special teams had a blocked field goal and a punt return touchdown with like less than a half a minute left in the half a seventy orbiter. That's inexcusable. Then you come out and you're like, okay, you get the ball in half, okay, but now they've had time to regroup. Let's get this together. They come out put forth probably the worst possible three out series on offense. You could put you could go out there with after after I played the first half. I guess I'm trying to figure out a question here, but I mean, what was what was the biggest catalyst in this comeback was in anti Dalton was Joe mixon was at the defense clamping up in in making adjustments that way. Lot of fingers to point both on the positive and negative, but I'm trying to sit here and say, that's the person responsible for this comeback. And I don't know who that is. Yes, in mining has hung over watching the game, but. I just felt like it just sounds strange, just a wise because it was the game that both Bertha CT in Nixon returning and they are, you know. Kind of like the heart and soul of both sides of the ball. They're the guys who kind of gets everybody going, the kind of feed off their energy, and we saw none of that in the first quarter and a half. And obviously to perfect point knows his first game back all year. You know. I only use add fate. No, he kind of collapsed down on a question before the the game later in the week. Like I'm like, I'm in shape like I've been practicing, but obviously he's had troubles, you know, getting back into football shape once he comes back from suspension, but just that energy on defense wasn't quite there. Even though they were doing pretty good job of containing the dolphins offense. And obviously they weren't getting any health Bengals offense Nells because you know the running into wasn't kinda working. They were kind of forcing it with Nixon, trying to get that energy going into kinda wasn't happening. So it was around the middle of the third quarter where mixing finally started to get a little bit of group. They obviously didn't get that crazy mixing the dome touchdown. So the beginning of the fourth quarter, those kind of towards the end of the third quarter where they finally started getting a sustained drives on offense and picking up what the defense was giving them. Obviously, you know, the special teams issues, you know the, the drastic specialty indices were a major hindrance. And could have easily put the game away. But I just think that it was around that time when both Burr fix kind of his spark under the defense and mixing his spark onto the offense, things kind of clicked and like they kind of just like woke up saying, hey, wait a minute. We're three one team. One of the best NFL it's star playing like before it's too late and things just kind of exploded. And unfortunately for the dolphins kinda kinda ran to a train wreck. Like in the final twenty minutes of the game, it was just it was as bizarre to see as it was the first forty minutes where it was just like, what? What exactly is going on here? If I've dolphins fan, I don't even know what it was. I would have been like what is happening here? I wanna talk about this guy because he's been in. I like what you said. I full about mixing birth being kind of the, you know, the catalyst, if you will terms of, you know, leadership and all that kind of stuff. I I said this on opposed I wrote this week for since he jungle that emotional catalyst. AJ green might be more talented than Joe mixing in terms of being on that side of the football? Yes. Gino Adkins might be more talented than volunteers. Perfect on that side of the ball, but in terms of rallying the troops and in terms of, you know, getting guys revved up, those two guys seem to be the guys that everybody else looks to. There's a bunch of other Straker. Patrick's one of them in there are some others, but I looked to those do now. I wanna talk about Michael Johnson for second because he has been a fan favorite whipping, boy. I thought in limited snaps, touchdown play aside which was gigantic, but touchdown place. I thought he played pretty well hit a critical tackle for loss laying yet three total tackles. Have, you know, I don't wanna. I don't wanna three of the boss, say this big, Michael Johnson, eight or whatever, but. Have you softened up a little bit in terms of, hey, this guy still brings some worth. I think is what it is. Eleven season ten season ninth with the Bengals and. In this the the old dog can still learn some new tricks and still help out this team. Obviously, we saw what, how could do he's a hustler he's got, he's got a high motor. He makes big plays when he's out there, but are you still saying, you know what? Michael Johnson's still has a productive niche on this team? Yeah, and I predicted that Dunston wasn't gonna be a part of the final cuts because he brought the veteran leadership in because you know the time Hubbard was still unknown. Willis hasn't exactly taken that next step in Johnson played awful in the preseason in excusable, but he's obviously at the point where less snaps is better in, it's kind of the direction of they're going with the defense because Hubbard is obviously playing a more increased role as an inside pass. Rusher Willis's taking a lot of snaps as et cetera on the outside and Johnson's is kind of part of rotation in it. Was that personal foul penalty on Johnson where I think it might have been a little a little bit of of calls in a. This might be my last year with a team. That have a lot of the community set a great example in the locker room. You know, I'm the leader and I made a stupid mistake. And from that point on, he kind of turned it around and in the snaps that he's given. And you know, he's not gonna play the majority of snaps the game anymore, and that's perfectly fine because in limited chances, he can sometimes give you a spark in the past, you know, rushing gaps in. You can still make plays in the running in because he's still a decent athlete at six, seven, two hundred seventy pounds, and it was after that penalty where he made those couple tackles for loss. And then you know, he just made a play against awful backup plus tack on sim young and almost almost Sacher tannehill ended up being the perfect spot for his first Dutch screw. So it was kind of that moment that kinda redeem himself in the limited that he's getting. And and that's kinda like the kinda like the niche in the role that we kind of expected him to if he's going to succeed. That's that's how he's going to succeed in just less is more for for Johnson. This point that's. Basically what we ended up seeing it was just kudos to him for turning around to that sour moment yet cry, crazy sequence of events, and he's behind the quarterback. It makes interception. You just don't hear that. Very, yeah. It was behind the quarterback meter. Hubbard was in front of the quarterback. He recovered a fumble right. It's just the sequence of events in that game were unbelievable into kinda wrap this part up before we get to some listener questions. Again, you can call us here just a sec. Nine, four, nine, five, four to six, two, four one. We have limited time for a call or two that we've got some text to get two. So call us here just just a second. But just to kind of put this into perspective, John, I think every Bengals fan feels this way, and I think it's a it's understandable way to feel in terms of your way. Optimism and hey, they can come back from any kind of scenario at this point with. Still a lot of mistakes and still some some big issues. I mean, how do you tip that scale in terms of light, hey. I'm really optimistic, or, you know, I still the gotta win some other games coming down the pike and gotta clean some stuff up before I kind of believe. You know what I mean? Yeah, and that's, that's. That's why I'm excited about playing fill because they can't. They can't hide forever. Like if they go on December two losses. Obviously gonna probably flex for game though. They're not going to go into the playoffs. You know, completely unbeknownst to the primetime stage and what better way to get, you know, preparation for the stage of the playoffs than playing the best team in your conference on the biggest stage of the week that that's that's a great way to really solidify what our expectations should be. Yes, they're talented, yes. They seem to have a certain minor change of their culture and how they ports games, but all that is mood until they prove that they can do things that they have done before in this era, and that's win games on the big stages. So I, it's, it's fine to be optimistic, but it's also find to say, hey. None of this kind of really matters until it does matter the season. And like we said, they've already done a lot this year already in five, short games to show is quite a bit of of how they've changed as a team. These next two weeks also tell us a lot like you said this, this one, this Sunday should be incredibly interesting for a variety of reasons. If your battle, obviously, longtime rivalry with the with the Pittsburgh Steelers and they host them and it's kind of a, you know, it's kind of a who's who type of game yet. A lot of things can still play out over the rest of the season, but it is a who's who kind of game it is for AFC north dominance, all of that and to help us preview the upcoming week, six Steelers at Bengals game. We have Ryan Davis from a high, the steel curtain and their podcasts over there. The SP nation podcast network, Brian, thank you so much for joining us our user. Hey, it's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Great. The jungle. Yeah, and good. Have you in the jungle? I'm not technically. I'm not in the jungle per se. I actually live in southern California, so I'm not. I'm not in the jungle per se, but John co-hosts definitely in or about three miles outside the jungle in as far as I'm concerned, the Steelers are extremely wealth. From the junk dwell here. Very true bribe before we kind of jump into previewing the game. If you just want to tell our listeners a little bit about your background, obviously said you're at behind the steel curtain through the nation. Network of you run a podcast over there with your co host, Anthony, who has a seller for same. So tell us a little bit about that. How long you been there and if you live steel city and high became a fan, all that good stuff lugging all Johnstown PA native. So I grew up your living breathing, Pittsburgh Steelers, especially I got into it in the late seventies when I was about seven years old. So I was growing up during a enduring the Super Bowl, dynasty era. So it's something that you know they beat you up in gym class if you don't want black and gold. So I mean in something that I've just lived breathed and just just loved for years. But right now I don't live in Pennsylvania. I actually live in the state of Maryland. So smack dab in the middle of Baltimore, raven territory as gonna sit here, I am. I'm the bad guy again on a love it. And so I got involved with Espy nation about three and a half years ago, and there's this. My daughter was in kindergarten at the time, and she had this little buddy at school that she always hung out with and it was field day I got there and the the boys dad was there, and I've seen him around in the Pittsburgh stuff and we came up to me and said, hey, what do you think about the Steelers this year? And I said, why June? But like you know what? I read an article today. I absolutely loved it. I'm really excited about the season because they're talking about now because, yeah, I wrote that article kidding. What do you mean? You wrote that article here was Jeff Hartmann enter of behind the still curtain and six days later, my first article appeared and I've been on ever since about two years ago. I started factor fiction. Which mill older doing that podcast. But I do the Steeler hangover with with jets and now with a Anthony feel I go ahead and do the Steeler hangover on Monday nights, and we do the preview show on Thursday evenings with Jeff. So I've been doing that. I've. I do a few articles a week and I try to do more satire more fun. And you know, I'll do voting bizarre predictions before the game. One will be your typical prediction. James Connor will run for a hundred yards or whatever. Then I'll go ahead with at halftime on bell will appear on the Jumbotron doing his new song. Bloated could be loaded or something like that. So I mean, I have a lot of fun with it, but I love my team and I, you know, I respect us north division well, good to have you with us. Good deductive, have another Espy nation brother, so to speak on on the show. And we, you know, I know of Jeff from a far in, I know he's he's really carried the baton well from Neil Kulon views to run behind the curtain. So definitely give give him our kudos for the work that you guys do over there. Let's just start off with it. It's been kind of jecklin height start for the. Pittsburgh Steelers, Brian to say the least start with the Tigers, the Browns. The Browns seemed to be an improved team, which we thought they would be serve out the season with tie with the Browns the, you know, you have a loss against the ramans and then you come back this week in in have a a kind of a restatement win against the falcons. I think the falcons were deceiving now one in four in my book, but your take on the start of the Steelers and are are they kinda starting? Does this game last week kinda make you believe that they're starting to gain that typical Steelers momentum that we see kinda midseason late season after sometimes sluggish start, you don't. I really think think you do and I made this comment with Tony on our podcast the other day that you might possibly look back on that long pass from Ben Rothlisberger to Antonio Brown that bomb that made the score thirty four to seventeen as possibly the turning point of the season. 'cause this has been. Tale of two Benz. We're either getting road been which we usually get. But now we're getting roadbed at home where he has just been playing absolutely awful at times and then show some stretches of brilliance. So it's really going to live and die right now on the arm of Ben Rothlisberger because you're needing to see at least three hundred and fifty yards out of him. And maybe three touchdown passes with just the state of the Steeler defense. Because right now they look good against a very good and Lanta offense. But that defense is ranked at the bottom of the league for a reason because they're not good right now. The scheming is bad and they just need to pull it together in. I don't think that this team has ever been the same since December. Fourth of last year at Paul Brown stadium win, Ryan shazier went down because that defense lost the heart of it at the point and the bin. I don't know the exact record, but five and six or five and five cents. Well, she's here obviously a very, very good football player, and we'll talk a little bit more about some of the sin of those facets just a little bit, but there's a lot of different areas that we could go to, and I don't wanna see all my co-host under, but I guess it's a good segue into the Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown connection this year. This is a duo that has been incredibly prolific over the past couple of years. Obviously, there's some issues to start the season in Tonio Brown kennison's a little. Upset has big game last week, but then after the big game, there's kind of some other off-field stuff that comes about, I guess, talk a little bit about Antonio Brown. His start to the season, his game last week in what should be a head for him. You know, sometimes I don't know whether I am watching Pittsburgh Steelers football or days of our lives been. This is team turmoil and you've been there. You've had a guy like, oh, Cinco over the years. And you know that diva receiver, we definitely have a diva receiver. We love him, but AB is a diva and he's the kind of guy that he is not completely happy in less. He is getting the ball. He wants to be the focal point. He wants to be the guy that is leading the league and the showcase players. So you have a guy like juju coming along Judy spur Schuster who is stealing a lot of thunder, and he's a hit in Pittsburgh. They absolutely love them there, and he's, he's playing, he's playing well, and he's getting the targets, but not all the targets AB wants to have. So you know, you have a little bit of that. I was at the game week two. When Ben Roethlisberger scored a tie. The game up and you get closer against the Kansas City Chiefs and aby salt Antonia walk off the field. It was really upset about it. Next thing you know on Monday, he doesn't show up. He's had a chip on his shoulder for the last six, eight months. Everybody's trying to figure out what that is. He's been arguing with the press. Here's a guy that is jolly and happy. Go lucky. Then all of a sudden he seems dead inside all all of a sudden, so we don't know what's going on mentally with him. And now with the news that's coming out right now of the possible lawsuit because of trashing condo in Miami and throwing stuff out the window which is, you know, I don't know what's going on, but I just know that it's week after week. It's drama drama in more drama. And just when you thought you save the drama for your mama more drama. I mean, it just keeps happening in Pittsburgh. So we're, it's the return of. Team turmoil. And here we go with Antonio Brown. So the big thing is he wants his targets, but he's one of the most targeted wide receiver in the National Football League. But when they connect, they seem better in those two touchdown passes. And the fact that the they seem to just really gel the week five game. It could really be turning point. But one thing in defensive, Antonio, Brown. He had thirteen targets the other day against it Lanta, which that is not a great defense and they have a lot of guys hurt on that defense. Thirteen targets only seven of those other six targets that he missed, not his fault. Ben overthrew them under through to even get near them. I mean, he could have if they were even close to him could have been thirteen thirteen. I'm Ben guy, but Ben was off. I know he's coming out and singing on my elbows hurt. I needed to suck it up, but Benz of drama guy too. He's a, he's a guy. That is is better when he's ticked off. He's better when he's when you'd think he's out and you're counting amount, he's kind of a cowboy and a western now that crazy cowboy. So you know, you never know week to week. We just want a win and a silent week ear in Pittsburgh in just does not seem to be happening the last couple of years. So you talked about obviously, Antonio is getting the ball thrown at him at, you know, it's still a, you know, a high rate and it's not the not the lack of targets as the problem. It might just be the way that the ball is getting to them. And you know, when watching hard knocks, one of my favorite guys to watch Todd Haley and Haley's been with the Steelers through into new Brown's great years. And then you know, he left weekly win. You guys replace them kinda like what the Bengals do when they replaced Jackson, you replace them with your quarterback coach for any Fisher who was with the team for longtime. Do you think that a lot of, obviously the disconnect between Rosberg Brown. Is it can't be traced just on the field performance like no, no quarterback where I receiver do as more incompletions as the quarterbacks fault than Rothlisberger Brown. Do you think though that the transition from Haley deficient has been rough to say the least in could be one of the main factors behind the disconnect we seeing from the offense. You know, Randy actually discovered Tonio Brown at central Michigan. So he, he scouted them. There's really not a disconnect there, but you know, I'm going to correct you on something. The offense of coordinator in Pittsburgh is not Randy. It's been Ralph's burger. He was hand picked by Ben Rothlisberger. So there was not even there wasn't even a search when that happened in January wasn't a search, Todd, Haley. Ben Rothlisberger never got along and it seems like I'm just pounding on Ben, but Ben wanted Rothlisberger gone when the coordinator that should have been gone on the defensive side of the ball, Keith Butler. This is a guy that let an offense, the coach offense that put forty two up on the great Jacksonville defense of last year in the playoffs. I mean, Haley is a good coach. They just he was just never the guy in Pittsburgh. Kind of ran out of town, but you know, same organization of ran Bruce Arians outta towel. But the bottom line to the whole thing is Ben and and Todd Haley never got along and you saw it more really helped destroy the team. You know, the famous Jesse James non touchdown against New England. Hire time that entire time when they were supposed to be planning a play. Getting ready, they won't even go near each other on the sideline. They weren't planning anything. Ben forced in the bathroom interception, but they were completely out of sync because they weren't even talking at that point. So they never got along. Randy was Ben's quarterback coach for years, and that's the guy he pan picked. So like I said, the joke is that Ben's the offensive coordinator and rabies just there, but Randy's also guy that went to college along with, I mean coach in college along with Keith Butler with my common. So they go back a long way. See him do some decent things this year as well. So I'm not completely down on it. I just thought, Todd Haley was sent out of town for no-good reason. Now you mentioned Antonio Brown. He went over and hugged Todd Haley. During that Cleveland game that. That was something that they were still awfully close. Antonio Brown his problems with Randy's just the fact that he's not getting the ball enough and what's happening the the other problem is Ben is trying to get the ball to them in situations. You saw the Cleveland game like when he's triple covered, he still forcing the ball into him when he has other options because trying to keep the guy happy. And sometimes I'm wondering if he's just throwing it to them out of spite. Just a crazy situation. Lega said it's team turmoil. There's a lot of me and there needs to be team, and I think that's going to start coming together as we go. And there's the other big elephant in the room. And I mentioned elephant because we just saw him on a jet ski in Florida lady on bell was hanging over the head of this team too. And that is another thing that's causing so much turmoil in the locker room. They just they're just not together. In fact, I think the team. Needs a lockout, maybe a lock in maybe Chucky cheese or Dave and Buster's, and just don't hang out and play and play video games for the night. They just think some somehow kind of gel and get on the same page. But I'm still thinking that touchdown pass the other day might be the turning point that might just get them back together and going into week six against him, like Cincinnati. If you go in to their house where they've struggled over the years being a four one team, if you can pull that off, then two more division games right after that, and you can have the complete season turnaround at that point. So that's what the hope is in Pittsburgh. Yeah. And the hope for the Bengals is that whenever pits for comes to town angles, fans are pretty used to seeing whoever playing quarterback getting sick multiple times because for whatever reason, Pittsburgh does a great job of disguising blitzes and creating fantastic. Packages? I'm talking about mostly in the dick lebeau days. Obviously, he's long gone. Now, you know the, the Steelers, we saw them, you know, get to Matt Ryan a little bit. TJ watt had I think three sex coming off that that right edge dolphins aligned Bengals have a weakness there. Do you see the like you know, you said that touchdown for inter rocky, get offense, you know, get going, do see that game against the falcons being away as like rejuvenation of the pass, rush to potentially kinda leave your defense know back to at least adequacy because obviously the secondary issues, but the Bengals have had trouble defending the Steelers patriots in the past. You know if the best answer that I can provide right now is it depends in the depends on the scheme is that Baltimore game on Sunday night. Chris Collins was in the booth saying, why aren't they rushing? I mean, they're, they're not even trying to rush. And if you just put a little pressure on flacco, that's a completely different game. But. I don't think they were believing in their defensive backs at the time. And the thing in Pittsburgh the pass rush gives the entity gives the defensive backs more time to cover if and so that's the big thing. Got finally got Cam Hayward, going. A can't Hayward head who sex, as long as the scheme is the pass rush. They will have more success in giving a guy like Joe Haden who had an amazing game against Julio Jones and had a good game against AJ green in week, six or seven last year in Pittsburgh, and you know, that's, that's the hope that and that's the big match up to watch. If Hayden could keep up with AJ gre- they have a chance the turn that defense around. But like you said, it does start with that pass, rush to get everything going. Talk with Brian Davis it behind the steel curtain and their podcast, the SP nation, family of podcast, which this podcast is actually a part of his well, so nicely, tight, tight knit family here. And Brian is advocating for the Steelers to have a combined by moment at David bussers, which this sounds like fun in general, so they could use it Brian, you know, we can talk about living bell thing. I think that's been beaten to death. I don't. I don't really wanna go there. James Connors filled in. There's been some peaks and valleys there. I guess where I wanna go with this is how confident are you that this Steelers team is going to turn things around for good. I mean, I, I can remember back in that, oh, five season. They were basically out of the playoff picture. I think towards the end of that season, it rattled off four winds to to finish the season and enforced rate postseason wins. They win eight. No, I think that year we know they finished wrong. That's that's what this team does to me. I think this is an elite franchise that knows how to win, knows how to build a team and just they have continuity at the head coach of that. But this year the head coach come under scrutiny. You said there's a lot of me. I people in that locker room that showing a little bit in terms of the performance. How confident are you down the stretch, whether bell comes back or not, or what have you? How confident are you that this dealer team is going to. To put their foot on the gas pedal turn, things around and beat at usual, ten win team that we see urine you're up. Pop out and say, cautiously, optimistic. You know, I actually a kind of have that feeling and I not a homework because actually the last three weeks I picked against him. I get Stampa against them against Baltimore and pick against last week, but I'm feeling that. I have a home at the with that pass, and that game just felt like it was an awakening. So we've seen it before with Mike Tomlin teams. It seems like just when you think that he should be on the trumping block that he puts it together and that team did it last year. They were three and two, but that loss against Jacksonville week five was just absolutely devastating, and then they turn around and they, they didn't lose again in till we sixteen. It was like December seventeenth against New England. They in that Jesse James game that we talked about, they didn't lose. Again, they finished thirteen and three, but they're, they're a team that despite the team turmoil tag the, they somehow get it together. And I just have that gut feeling that it's going to happen again, but it hinges on week six if it doesn't happen week, six. This could be a completely different situation because you're looking at a five and one Cincinnati team at that point, and you're sitting two, three and one, and that might not be good enough even to get a wildcard at this point. And how they should games half their division games all ready in the review. At that point, two, three in one because it you play, you played tied Cleveland, you lost a Baltimore, and then if you do lose Cincinnati. I mean, that's that's not a good way to start the divisional games. John. Good. Another question for him. Yes. So I guess kinda fallen off of that. Would you want regarding Mike Tomlin? You contribute him as the guy who you know, kinda, let's these things drag out during the season or more as the guy that brings people together in a Laden season for a turnaround is more on the on the the sided, no crates zest or the side that kind of solves it. I guess. You know what? I don't have a great answer for that because you know, one thing that I complain about is fostering Ed. Atmosphere with no discipline whatsoever, but it seems like they do a lot of stuff in house. If you watch his press conferences, there's a lot of no comments. He mentioned today or yesterday that you know, I didn't even know about the in Tonio Brown situation when you knew that he did. He handled. He handled situations. We saw it last year around this time right after the Cincinnati game. The first Cincinnati game, the victory Heinz field. They Martavis Bryant. Was ripping on teammates and tweeting and not showing up in settled down for a week, and the rest of the season were tavis. Bryant was on point and not a problem, the locker room. So I, that's a hard one to answer. I think he's a little too loose at times, but it seems internally that he helps pull everything together. So wishy washy answer. But there's something going on to continue to win year after year when the guys were seasoned where two seasons of eight eight. Yeah. And that's, that's Steelers, like I said, they're they're constantly in the playoff picture playoff on all of that Bryant. We've, we've gone a little longer with you than expected, but it's been a pleasure because you've brought immense knowledge in all of that. So I apologize for taking up so much time this evening, but we appreciate your inside. I guess we'll disclose with this. Your big keys to the game on Sunday in how you see it playing out. I'm gonna wind to something. You said just a couple minutes ago about the Joe Haden AJ green thing that's been a match up that has been a battle since Hayden joined the league along with green, a top ten pick in twenty eleven. There was some really good battles when he was on a terrible Cleveland team against AJ green. So I agree with you that being one of the keys, but your kind of keys to the game in your prediction as to how this goes, the Bengals our own six last six contests against the Steelers. Well, you know, Joe Hayden's number one number two is that offensive line of Pittsburgh trying to solve Dunlap and Atkins. That's the bottom line. If they can give Ben time, they're going to do so much better as for as an offense. So it comes down the offense of line. The fans love one hundred villain away, but he could be up and down. So that's a huge concern there with in its good offensive line, but they need to hold up. And the third key is James. Connor, James Connor needs. Thirty carries and a hundred and fifty hundred and seventy five yards Hodel not on the ground, but you know, through the air, that's something he's been doing very well in place of labor on bell. He is that he did not have that in the past and he's brought that aspect to his game is a very good pass catcher and very good blocker in the backfield. That was a lady on bells ammo. So James's filling in nicely and just indefensible James real quick when he was not running. Well, those games they were down twenty one, nothing seventeen nothing early in those games and you're not running the ball and he's gonna have a bad stat line. But when he's on, he's been very good with one hundred yard seasons this year, but thanks so much for having me. I am very long winded, so I will apologize for that. When we go without a for another five minutes, if I needed to know your good, it wasn't an indictment on you just big week. We have a lot of questions. We have a lot to talk about. This is a huge game and unfortunately for the Bank for Bengals fans, this is kind of a are. Usually our seasons version of Super Bowl or a playoff game against the Steelers that just usually how it goes. And this week is no exception. The bagels got up to a better start at a lot of people figured Pittsburgh is still right in the hunt, but they're, they've been up and down a little bit. So this is a big game in the Bengals just have not fared well against the Steelers in the Marvin Lewis era. They do well against the Browns. They do well against the ravens day, just cannot figure out a way to be Pittsford. So this is a big game for both teams going forward in terms of their season. We appreciate it again as his Brian Davis with behind the steel curtain and their podcasts. Are you on Twitter? Bryan? Did you mentioned at the beginning of the show Yod? No, I did not. But I am finally on Twitter and it is be PSE BAD because you mentioned my podcast partner. I go by Brian, Anthony Davis, so be TSE AD and I have all forty eight followers right now. So let's try to beef that up over is your middle name? The entity? Yes. Brenna Anthony Davis. Oh my gosh to Anthony's on the Steelers podcast, and then you're on with an Anthony here. It's a sorry, John. You're the outsider buddy. Six again, Brian cruciate it pre she it and everybody go check out his stuff. Enjoy the game this Sunday. Bryan, I'm sure it's gonna be. It will be pretty. It'll be ugly. I'm sure that's. That's been the history of Pittsburgh Cincinnati for as long as I can remember. So as much as I fear it, sometimes I love it too. That's real football. Yep. We'll joy and. Yeah, we joined heavy on buddy. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. All right. That was Brian Davis with behind the curtain. Awesome. Awesome guy and brought the knowledge great show that he does listen to a little bit of it as I asked him to join our program. And if you're looking for a Steelers fan to actually like buy beer for all of that, Brian seems to be that kinda guys. He's a nice guy and we appreciate it. We were talking before the show John, and he was saying that, you know, he's he's Scott respect to the Bengals and all that kind of stuff. So we, you know, we gotta give them a little props on that. Yeah. So John, we are. Gosh, I guess from here. We should since we just had Ryan on, we should give our takes a little bit on previewing. The Steelers game that we can backtrack a little bit talk about the exciting game against the dolphins in some other things before I do. This is gonna be a segment. Just a minute. The I wanna ask you. This may be a little bit of a surprise you John but own. Ask you in our live listeners as well as those who may be catch the podcasts afterward. If you wanna give us some of your comments on this. I have kind of any question of thinking about over the past couple of weeks in it goes hand in hand with vaunted perfect. Returning to the lineup, basically Marvin Lewis has been looking for kind of his next Ray Lewis type of linebacker. And he's adamant these Tatham in a lot of different forms. But it's been a lot of what could have been, and that includes perfect. So John the question I have for you and you can. You can marinate on it for few minutes, but and for the listeners here, basically I had three linebackers that were major. What could have been based on injury, leaving the team, personal issues, whatever to Kiel spikes when when Marvin Lewis came came over in two thousand three, he tried to talk to spikes into staying into Cincinnati. He was an impending free agent. And unfortunately spikes didn't stay. So there's a major what could have been there. He's he, I think, made a Pro Bowl or two with a couple of other teams, and then you have Odell Thurman was a borderline Pro Bowl player is one year two thousand five thought that was a guy total massive human being from there yet. I think he had five picks in. I mean, he has his rookie season was insane. So there's a lot of what could have been there and then you've got his birthday. It was not drafted free agent in in the biggest success story, I guess, of the three because kind of a rags to riches thing made a pro. But Oma, gosh, injuries, suspensions, all that kind of stuff. It seems as if he could have been a perennial Pro Bowl player if he wasn't either in his own way or hurt himself. So I want you to think about those three in terms of, yes, there's more ahead for contest. Perfect. But who could have been or who will be. Or whatever the best linebacker in the what could have been linebacker group of those three. So keep on the back of your mind. We're gonna talk about the Steelers, but that's kind of our question of the night. Is that make sense? Got I know lot there. I'm Randall it, but. I just randomly thought of those three and I was like, you know, Harman Lewis has been looking for his linebacker. He thinks Ghanem donor, so we'll get to that set. John the Bengals take on the Steelers. We just had. We just had Brian Davis onto preview the game. One thing I didn't get to ask him. I said, it was gonna, but I forgot. It's been a long week already. Was I of want to start with this because didn't address it with him. There's a lot of smack talk again going on this week and I saw your Twitter, you had a colorful comment about some comments by debris. I got a good laugh out of that buddy. By the way. But for those who don't know, three essentially said and I, I do wanna refer you to my colleagues, Twitter, Twitter, down to get his commentary on it. But basically he said with the Ryan ship, zero injury last year in that game towards the end of the season, which Ryan should hear it, poor form tackle in hurt himself. Nobody nobody cheap shot at him or hurt him or anything like that from the Bengals essentially, correct me if I'm wrong John, but do pre-set what once Ryan, his ear went out. We kinda went head hunting or injury hunting for the Bengals in that first half until we kind of figured out. Oh, actually it was an accident. So there's that on the Steelers side. That's a new one. Then you have Carlos Dunlap today talking about he and this is just more funny. Carlos Dunlap talking today about the new quarterback rules, tackling rules all that stuff. And he basically referred to Ben Rothlisberger is three hundred pound quarterback, obviously referring to his weight and not in a flattering. Flattern for so already. The noise is starting to talk starting to pick up this week already. You can either. I saw thing behind the steel curtain about like, oh, Ben is kind of letting bygones be bygones in terms of the chippiness of the last few games, all that kind of stuff. Do you expect this game? I mean, if you remember last year in that primetime game, that was that was a bloodbath. I mean, that was an absolute. Joe mixing got hurt ranch Zere got her. I mean, guys were just going down left and right, and it you could tell by the way guys were hitting each other, do you expect that kind of game again and not think people are gonna let up on the brakes or anything, but do you expect. It one PM eastern game to be that way. Is that is that just where this rivalry has gone mudslinging. Guys talking about intentionally hurting other players on the team and all kinds of other things is just where we're at. I guess with this rivalry, I guess, I guess until they prove that it's not than it is. And part of that I've been very adamant about ever since that game in December is that no one seems to want to be the bigger man and partly because the Bengals team organization fan base culture is that we've always been the little brother in the rivalry in how the Steelers don't see it as a rivalry because they can just come in the Paul Brown stadium in wind ninety percent of the time. So it was the sense of, you know, we finally have guy Bertha CT who can hit him back and we're not gonna feel sorry about it. And the Steelers kicked up a notch from their perspective because of it. And now it's just no back and forth. Karma's happening all the time. And it makes me honestly sick because the game isn't it? About matchups during what seems better than the other is just about which team can hurt the other. The most and abbots comedy stars could get off on the gurney, right. In like, and what I was hoping for after the game in December was some interference from the league office or from the refs a Saint, hey, we're not gonna put up with this anymore. We're gonna crack down. Any more Bs starts to happen is going to be some major consequences because of it. We've heard none of that is as far as I'm concerned. This is good from the NFL's perspective because it's something that people talk about regardless of player safety because this is the most unsafe game of the year end. It happens twice a year in it's ridiculous. So yeah, I, if it wasn't primetime obviously, I think it would be a lot worse because obviously more implications on that and there's obviously more is watching. But this game is a huge, you know, barometer as to how both teams have grown since that day and I just want I don't care if I don't care. I just want one team to step up and just be the bigger person in this relationship. So we can just focus on the good things in football. The bad things with bad things with those injuries in this, the thing that we should not want to be regardless what happened in the past, I- plenty Bengals fans wanna see juju Smith Schuster injuring. I just think it's sick and I, I just don't like that attitude regarding this game and I wanted to stop and until it does stop, I just expected that will. You know, that's my thing about it. And I think you know, you see if you're on Instagram or social media. You see these guys, you know, after the game, they a lot of times traders even even though the rivals take a picture with each other. You know, they're, they're buddies some of them, I think Carlos Dunlap forget. Is it Reuben foster or somewhat not Reuben foster Ramon foster Ramon foster. Excuse me as I think he it was either he or somebody else in that offensive line went to Florida with them. So they're buddies from their Florida days. I mean, these guys know each other. They played this game just has a, I think it really. I don't know. When you say you could say the Carson Paul Palmer injury was the one that did it. You could say that wildcard game a couple years ago, but it it's just taken on a life of its own. And you know, like you said, people wanting to see juju hurt. I think that's ridiculous. But I do think that. Any plane. The Steelers have always every time they win these games Steelers, essentially, I, I like to use the term out physical, the veils they have and whether that's by intimidation by hurting players or attrition by hurting players or by pounding the football and just being, you know, the three yards cloud of dust and grind out a win type of thing. I get back to the Jerome. That is as if you wanna go back that far, they had just been more physical than the Bengals have been more. They've had. They exuded a more physical attitude than the Bengals and that to me is is, is the difference in this series between Marv Lewis in his days at the Bengals I would rather see. Rather see the Bengals come out with that intensity or whatever. But like you said, it's a fine line to walk. I think someone in our chat room called it controlled aggression was it was Greg or. Kasha was at. That said that, oh, Karl Benson, old school football, hopefully no Jackson's on the bangles side controlled aggression. But I mean, we saw this. We saw this thing and I don't want to harp on this whole thing. It just a major storyline, John. We've right. You go back to that wildcard game. You saw coaches pulling Reggie Nelson's hair. You saw Joey porter on the field in in goading guys. And I mean there's just things that that in this series have gotten out of control, gotten out of hand. I think to your point. The desire of injuries for certain player. I mean, that's just that's just ridiculous. And. You know, I really wanna talk too much about that, but the the bulletin board material is out, I guess where I'm going with this. Right, right. And to your point when it was my mum check, pull Reggie Nelson's dreads of joy, porter, antagonizing players on the field. I feel like I, it's right that from our perspective that we can hate that and we can say, hey, aren't they punish for that? But they feel the confidence to do that because they can just beat us. However they want to, and instead of instead of the Bengals stepping there gaming. The old fashioned way they've taken any approach that, hey, we just need to be the bigger bully, but at the same time one, that's when it's happened. These still having done any results. So their perspective, they're still the top dog and that won't change until they can just be in just a new way that hasn't been done before and just beat them. Fair swear straight about, play them with stray about play team that you're better than you better on paper than you'd better talent wise. Don't stoop to their level, be your man's situation and things will eventually push. It's a, it's a great point because it's almost like in it's an old football adage. It's almost like when you see a lot of personal fouls, right? Who's the guy that gets caught? It's the second guy, right? It's not. It's not the guy who initially does a little subtle Jabra a face mask poll or whatever. It's the guy who gets pissed off and retaliates, and it's right at right there out in the open and you know the rest of their to see it. It's it's kinda like the Steelers that stuff like come on, come on, come on in and finally the Bengals explode. Yeah, either either. Cost them on the field or by penalties are all kinds of stuff you mentioned beat beating. Okay. You mentioned beating them in a specific way playing them. How confident are you. In this year's team. If they are down on their home field, like like they were last week against the dolphins, if they are down in that fashion in the second half against the rival Steelers team that has largely own them. How confident are you in this year's team based on their comeback ability? How confident are you that they could do it again against a team like the Steelers, or is the psyche just too fragile? They're still, I guess we're gonna find out. I s before the season, I would have told you one ten now gimme like four or five, just because there's a certain level of grit that we've seen from the colts gain from the from the falcons game from the dolphins, aim of three, three, fourth quarter. Comebacks don't just happen. Novices level luck in there, but this is different. You know, different level of on. It's like grit or just nasty or just the ability to close games out. And when it comes to like the Bengals bluest team point leading insincere last year because they took their foot. Guess I don't think that that's something that we just expect this year based on a we've seen before, and if they're down seventeen Steelers, they're not going to be the champions, the guest in on the road against against division rival. So I would say that because the Bengals should be the Steelers baseball town alone, I would give them more of a chance now than I would have before the season began just because of the results of the shown so far this season. Okay. So no biology Gatien's again, it's it's still for those of you who dabble this podcast later in the week, the first injury report came out on Wednesday. It looks as if no, Giovanni Bernard Clint Boling didn't participate in Wednesday's practice. He's been the most steady offensive lineman. That's not a good sign. Tyler Kroft afoot issue that forced him out. Last week he kinda came back in. We'll see what happens with practice. We don't know about John Ross. How, how does that affect your opinion of the Bengals chances in this game bullets? Obviously the biggest one, because if bowling go, probably Chris from western new, we all love as as a potential starter, but to replace bowling. Those are big shoes to fill is going up against, you know, stiffened stuff onto Cameron. Haywood John Haro him three very towns guys who have always even the Bengals fits when they're trying to run the ball, the middle. If they don't have ju. Again, I'm fine with giving mixing Neo, another twenty touches, but based off what they salt, what we saw from last week when he had minimal success running the ball, the middle against the dolphins in the first half the guy get more creative. They gotta do more things in the second half. We're mixing alum, more success running formations. And I think they can around losing bowling, but it always will be easy to do. The Ross subtraction from the line of was very noticeable dolphins first half, because as you saw like when he didn't have that. Didn't have Ross stretch in the field. It was tougher for boy, did create separation underneath. Obviously, green had a great day because green, he shows on his own. But if it's even when Ross is in the ball, Bali still impacting the defense, he still when stress on the DB. So playing stress on those corners replying zone. One of the most zone heavy covered teams in the league. So obviously, you know, Rossi's impact, obviously impact as well. I wouldn't expect Ross to produce a lot if he goes for the Steelers, especially because he went off injury, but he does affect, you know, the the production of boy, the production of Dolan in ways that you know sometimes isn't always noticeable. Yeah, it's it's the, it's the defensive focusing and you're, you're absolutely right. I noticed it. Gosh, second quarter. I noticed it last week against against Miami, where you know, greens bracketed, and luckily some good throws by Dalton. Some very nice catches by greed kind of. Combo. There led to his big day. And then Tyler boy really had one big play using thirty one yarder nice, nice play. But other than that was kept in check after a really nice start to the season. So yeah, hopefully you know, then you don't have I for either. You know that that's other guy that takes away attention. So. You know, they got its start to get all hands on deck. Quick question, and then we'll get your prediction will move on John in this may just be a quick answer from you. I mean, Joe makes just simply a back that gets better as the game goes on, it gets more carries seems to start off. Slow seems to kinda grind out some tough yards early on. And then as the game wears on, he gets more touches. He almost seems to get stronger is at me or is that just a an allusion in a fake adage? NFL football, if you will. I, I wanna say it's the letter because I don't know who's specific analytics that can back that up. Obviously, logically comic sense the more touches than you get the more you'll, you have running the ball, but I, I wanna point to the colts game where they kind of just rain with Nixon throughout the game. From the start, he'd looked precious, Ellen, getting successful runs us after successful runs. I think what the best example, this is. Todd McVeigh is we not in Los Angeles, Todd Gurley who's running against, I think. I think like ninety percent of runs from personnel and he's had like ninety. One percent is runs have been with a box of ended. And that's kind of just like the prototype offense scheme to run the ball in the NFL now and obviously girlies running back in the NFL right now. So it's something that every emulate and there's no one of the Bengals shouldn't also do that, and it would also help makes gig going love more earlier because you know the running the balls mainly just numbers game. It's mainly about having that vantage in the boxes mainly about giving the illusion that you're spread out, spreading the defense horizontally, and then gashing the middle and when Nixon had success running into dolphins, that's exactly what happened. It just so happened that these finally started game. So I think it's more that is it's an illusion, but also it's predicated on scheme. Yeah, I think it's probably little bit of both. I do think that there are guys that just as you get more carries, especially running back position, you just get into a group and you start, you know, you start Joan. With your offense. Ivine good just part of it. But from mixing also gives off Trump into his offense line late in the game. It can give you an inch, so yeah, totally, totally. This is the orange Blackett center Bengals podcast. You get this show on Stitcher itunes, YouTube, since juggled dot com on Google play and art nineteen. So get the show where you can't. We're gonna get to some listener questions in a second. We've got a jam packed show. We had bride Davis on from behind the steel curtain to help us preview the Steelers game. We are still talking seals are gonna wrap abo- on it right now. John your prediction for this game. I don't know where to go with you. After I go first. Gophers, and I'll say no, no, no. God, I don't know why we're favored based off all the history with this. But I, I do think that will probably go down like one point the exiting to the half. I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm gonna say it when I'm going to say they win, not offer game. When you feel will say off the -fensive STAN, it'll probably be something like. A lot of feebles maybe like twenty six to twenty three. Bullock has like a busy day from a lot of inside the forty yards. If they can't finish in the red zone. I do think that the Steelers defensive baller -able despite having rekindled pass. I against Atlanta. I don't know, man, I think that with playing the best team AFC week after this I, this is something that angles can't afford to drop because I think it'll be a lot harder to face the chiefs at had stadium than than the Steelers on their home turf one o'clock at, I think the come out of the wind and I'm kind of going against my gut, but it's just the way it is right now. The gut gut versus heart pick in for those of you who do not know John is referring to the next week against the Kansas City Chiefs. Obviously, undefeated right now playing very well in that game dot flex to send a night where the Bengals just not played. Well, that's next week, though. Right now is the Steelers, I think, according, like you said, I think it's critical ridicule. If the Bengals wanna make the playoffs that they get out of this stretch this game stregic at least one at one he did. They need to get one of these games because you can't afford a drop division game and you can't afford to drop to conference games. You just in an all the sudden you're sitting there at at four and three. After starting for one that's like a big big difference. Yeah, especially if Pittsburgh deluge to Pittsburgh and they do start hitting their stride. I'm gonna say this and this may be a little bit of a cop. I think if most or all of those names I mentioned earlier on the injury report do not play. The Bank was lose. They'll probably would probably be hard fi game. It'll probably be pretty close. But if they're missing arguably the best offense lineman, they're utility running back obviously, title right for out of John Ross doesn't play. I mean, if all those guys are out, that's a pretty large amount to overcome against team that you just have traditionally not farewell against. I will say most of those guys are back. I think it's it's a barely Bengals win. I think it's probably a twenty three twenty one or twenty four twenty one or something to that effect to that they can get past the Steelers. Definitely not so confident about the week after that. But that's a whole nother a whole 'nother show. So I, you know, I my prediction is predicated on if and it's in those. If there are health, we're going gonna get to some a listener questions in a little bit. We're running up against time. You can text us for the time being nine for nine, five, four to six, two, four one is the number we've already got. We got techs yesterday, John. So people are excited about this week. So for now Texas, we're gonna try and get some calls on the line. We're just running up against time a little bit. Now we still want to try and get some questions here. We have the question of the night John. Have you had time to think about my question of the night about the linebackers again, if you're just joining us or. If you Dodd forbid fast forward through portions of this hotness I asked the question of the night and I'm gonna give you some of our listeners live listener responses to basically who who would have been the best in the what could have been linebackers for for the Bengals. I had to spikes who left after before the two thousand three seasons. Marvin Lewis never got to coach him in this renaissance. We have Odell Thurman who had outstanding rookie season two thousand five, but basically couldn't get on the field from there because of drug alcohol on all kinds of other personal issues. Then you have burbot has been the most statistically productive of the three, but his missed an immense amount of time with injuries, suspensions and things like that. So John. Who was kinda the what could have been the best, what could have been linebacker, who would have had the biggest impact based on their circumstances if wiping the slate clean. Our sub spikes and now ficials back. Talk about Brian Simmons on how loved him, and he conflict around the same time or little bit after two q two Kia was a little bit before my time. I never really got the see him at his at his prime when I was really following just started falling like early two, thousands always knew his head. He had a big Nick now that was like the one thing I knew about him and. I feel like I feel like Thurman had the best combination of athleticism and to nasty, and it was kind of playing at the tail end of that old school era, football, you know, like the lay 2000s was kind of like the end of running backs, getting new, three hundred carries a season or something like that. And you know it was before the explosion, the passing game and my God, man, he, he just flew around the field. And when he went out, obviously the defense, you know, drastically window, they were giving up a lot of explosive plays. What not. And I, I just feel like he was. He had the biggest potential over Gallic Bertha who never was quite the athlete that Thurman was and firm was productive. You know, he could do basically everything, and he was kind of playing at the right time for linebackers to be physical in in the middle of the field. Obviously, you know. What he did off the field was excusable have, no, you know, I don't. You know wh. What did it was that but saying strictly on the field, I feel like he was probably the best combination of all three and the time was kinda right for him to really elevate the Bengals defense to, you know, a much higher level than they were in the Carson Palmer air. Yeah. And you know, he wasn't the biggest guy, but he tackle he could make make those big, wow, turnovers while plays, unfortunately, only saw for your do wanna throw in asterisk, can I did see a couple of people mentioned this in the chat? Yes, there's Keith rivers in there too. That could be in discussion, but I think we saw from him. You know, we had kind of the one big injury. I think we kinda saw from him to kind of say yet, you just didn't have it. And then there's also David Pollack, but he was more kind of edgy rusher type of guy. He was another guy that unfortunately suffered a major injury, never. So he those other guys in there. I'm gonna say, spikes fan, and I'm gonna, say spikes because that was that in terms of tenacity, in terms of leadership, in terms of productivity, that was that was the Ray Lewis for this team was looking plug up. The middle, obviously probably would never have been in. It proved based on his career, but was never going to be the Ray Lewis a Ray Lewis. But he he couldn't have been a very productive player in this defense, especially in the early years when they needed more stability more in their early years were, you know, let points in yards. Forget those big turnovers. I think spikes would have stabilized that I saw someone in here saying. They thought spikes would have been a hall of Famer. I on that, but smokes been all Famer with the Bengals. I saw just talk about some more of these guys, Mike, Myers. Imagine birth before all these new rules players could tee off the Sean Blankenship mentioned perfect in the eighties nineties. He was that kind of linebacker for sure. It was Jason von Stein that said, spikes spike stay with the Bengals. He would have been all Famer. I mean, felt like installing leaving the Bengals diminish the chance of making the hall of fame though because he get career after the Bengals. Right. I think it's just, you know, unfortunately, he bounced around teams. He seemed to seem to come on a team when they didn't make the playoffs in left. And then that deemed the playoffs right after he left, whether that's an indictment of him or whatever, I don't know. But. So he didn't really get the postseason experience, but he would have probably had some of that with Cincinnati in those early years had he stayed probably would have been through some of those those better years. Early Palmer, ears as really good years. And you know he Simmons. You mentioned Brian Simmons a vastly underrated player with the Cincinnati Bengals. He Simmons work very, very well together, their their skill sets complimented each other in their first couple of years. So that is something to kinda take take into consideration as well. Obviously it keeps by she don't really need draft Thurman and all that kind of stuff. But to me, I think it spikes in for you, you're saying Thurman and I, I don't think there's a wrong answer here and who knows perfect. Even though we miss time again this year he could come back and play like a Pro Bowl player. He played pretty pretty decent last week against the dolphins. So we'll see. 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Good to hear from you been been a little while here before we get to your question or comment what we're gonna ask you the question of the night, and I don't know if you were here when we asked it basically, it's kind of who would have been the best in the what could have been linebacker. We asked if spikes to keep those fights stayed from two thousand three on if Odell Thurman kept his nose clean instead with the Bengals awhile or vaunt as Bertha CT, if he had stayed away from injury and suspension issues. Who do you think would have been the most productive Bengal linebacker bar? None. And. Of. Yeah, and that's yeah. What what could have been with that guy? Geez. Well, what's what's on your mind and what can we answer for it? The. No matter of the evening. But. On dr. Under president. We yet when in and. Of the. Brad. At the end on year on. And one on my. Down the. The now, but the playoffs in the matter. Absolutely. And like I said, these are two Huey huge weeks coming up here against the Steelers chiefs respectively and two big games too big litmus tests for the Bengals to really prove kinda where they're at. And you know. It's kind of like my co host John said, at some point, you guys start winning these games in order to be re. I mean, even even the people that are raking them high and all this kind of stuff, what what's what's the Asterix Asterix they always give at this point right now. Well, you know, they can't win the big game. They can't win the big game. So I think I think this team more than anything, aside from talent. And showing some intestinal fortitude. I think they're showing. You know that they. They're not phased very easily. You know, they just they can figure it out. They can come back and in a lot of different scenarios and get a win your prediction for this week's game before we get you out of here, fatal. Twenty seven. All right. When all right, you've heard it. You heard it from fatal good to hear from you again, man, hope those hoped those boys from the u. or treating our right. No, the comeback by. Well, that's good weekend for them. Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Again here from you callback anytime in hope you can join us weekly again, fatal get here from anybody. All right. Thank you. He can day that's fatal content. Giving us a call in the on the orange black insider line. John, you know, he's, he's been a longtime listener. So he said in the YouTube chat that he wanted to call in and I hadn't heard him for long time. So definitely wanted to hear from him. I wanna get to some of these texts here. Again, we had one yesterday on people are so. Mansi is living his life outside the podcast live the best life bro. Well, to be honest, this, this is from someone from Hawaii. So we had someone from Miami just calls in. And then we've got someone on the other side from Hawaii say, you know why is mellow. They're just they got a lot of time to think about. It's from by the way I was in Maui this summer. So a love why I'm big, big Wai Chee who day from Hawaii and this is a good one. I think for you specifically, John, can you talk about the impact? Alex van pelt has had on. Antidote. And there's a reason he says, there's a reason why Iraj wasn't so happy to see him. Go in Green Bay Aloha everybody's talking about eighty Dalton's uptick in play rightfully so everybody sign my Bill as earn, how he's putting Andy Dalton in a position to succeed. Nobody is talking about Alex Pell. I think that is a gigantic, get image. It Ganic piece of the puzzle. Am I wrong about that job now? I don't think so. And you know, I kinda Gough at the fact that. The greatest quarter, the various throw the football times upset of lose his corvette coach when he's like thirty three years old. But I think there was some type of impact that Rogers had with with them and the the biggest thing with Donna's this I saw like on Twitter, like don't stats against the bliss is pass rains like top two in the league. And that's impressive at all, but it's it. That's not that's not anything new with dole specifically. He's always been good at identifying, let's tree snapped going to the higher hot reads quick getting the ball quickly and leaves officiency the problem. Dawn was dealing under, you know, in the pocket kind of collapses. When you know it's not a bliss wins, like a four, three men rush. And that comes to the testament of extending plays, you know, getting your feet reset after dotting rushes. And that's something that Rogers arabists the Packers is so great. And that's what makes him such great players that he's able to extend plays going. His left going to his right kind of makes his offense align better because he's able to avoid a lot of this sex, some extol. And that's the biggest improvement that we've seen from volume. And that could easily be attributed to impelled techniques of not him better techniques to face pressure the face. You know four, three men blitzes when they're trying to contain him and just making play on his own because he's done a fantastic job this year compared to the first seven years of his career in that very well could be a of impel. Great, great observation in terms of Dalton under pressure, and you know what, what he's been able to do. I see a lot more accuracy on the run as more Steph rollouts and stuff like that. I think that's all. I'll think it's obviously laser of plan to strengthen potentially weaknesses up front of the offense of line. But you know, he looks comfortable elba's and he looks. He looks. I think you know, we can look at. Delays are lot for sure. But I think outs fan pelt is a guy that definitely has had an impact. We've got one more call and then we're gonna. We're gonna get outta here. It's from our good buddy. It's from our good buddy Terrell. Right Terrell. How are you sir? Good. Did you hear from me again? What's on your mind? About this. Pang. Thank you. Lately, you start. Now. Our act. With. Yeah. Already banks. Patrie until again. Interesting. Let's. Are making. Yeah. So a by a lot of metrics all gone chime in here in just a second to buy a lot of metrics. Jessie Bates is one of the top. If you like pro football focus in their their scoring. He's one of the better rookies this year. They're like German, James, all kinds of guys. Nothing. I think so. A lot of the I allow. Out of the game. Patches of condition. I'll of men about smart. They have nothing. What I was on. You know about this as again, you you, you're in person, you person for a helluva game there. Terrell hope you had a good time and enjoy the Bengals comeback win. We're gonna. We're gonna get you off the air here and talk a little bit more about Jesse. Bates three shifts calling in his usual, enjoy the Sunday. My friend. All right, good friend, Tyrrell call on the show. I wanted to ask you about that because you're a bit more of a film guru than I am John. It's funny to me. Either he mentions Earl Thomas and maybe even Eric berry and stuff is at, you know, as early on with Jessie Bates is look like to me, it's been very, very quiet, but he's had a couple of interceptions and I think part of it is because the Bengals of wet up some points big plays on. I've seen some confusion a little bit back there, but I, that's interesting that he noted that he saw him telling Dray where to go. I also saw guys. Go up late in the game, pre snap devante birth to get confirmations on the read. I'm talking secondary guys and other guys, two or three players at one time came up birth to make sure they had the right read, obviously, noting perfects football like you in how he diagnosed plays your thoughts, Jessie Bates your thoughts on birth value because of his football, IQ and bases. You know, leaders have qualities is football intangibles. It's it's kind of like the on the unsung reason of why they were so confident with giving him George l. spot. It wasn't just because you know he has more range in better ball seals. Locate a handle. A single has safety alignment with also because you know it just only twenty years old. He's actually turning twenty two woman recording this. He's turning twenty two and a couple of hours. So in twenty one years old, he came in immediately took the reins as one of the leaders in the. Secondary as one of the players on the whole team. And it just like Tyrrell said, he's getting guys position. Hanney's diagnosing place immediately n he's making plays on the ball, and you know, for the lack of success that they've had in terms of giving up a lot of plays in the passing game rate hasn't really been targeted that much. And that's because he's able to cover so much ground in these able to take away deep crossing routes, able to cover a lot of ground in very minimal time. So not only has based produce on the number sheets, but he's also you also produced with his brain, and that's very important. That's kind of why they decided to go with him over. I look at him when it comes to fix, you know, I, it's not just the energy that we talked about, but it's also the fact that he can. He can minimize his lack of athletes with the way that he replays in an instant and make breaks on the ball and. If he had the athleticism lewke, he'd be right up there with lewke, but he doesn't. But because he has the intangibles in the Rian react skills of an all pro player that allows them to being such inscriptions. That's why people of rally behind him. You know, to make sure they're, they're the right spotting of the, he's he's like the data. They're basically even though he makes a few bonehead mistakes, but it was deaf notable at towards the end of the game. You know, birth account of kept everybody together, kept that defense strong because he only given up ten points or all game. So they had a pretty good game now because birth jailed altogether in the Mason, crucial plays in the run game in the past game because of him getting back into the swing things. Those grades as well. Yeah. And. We talked about last week how you know when perfect came back from a extended period to start the season before it was against the Steelers, hit a monster, monster game against the Steelers, and it helped the Bengals get that win. Luckily now the Bengals Bertha CT has a week to knock off the rust kind of get used to things as we go into the game against Pittsburgh and he's not traveling, you know, so he, he should be primed for a pretty decent game, I think. And I would hope. So, yeah, good stuff from Bates. Good stuff from Bontes. And you know, I think interestingly enough and I can call it a coincidence coincidence or not. But the Bengals defense was giving up twenty eight point two game going into Sunday. Kickoff, punt return, not withstanding all that stuff. They gave up ten points upon vaunted perfects return against the team that was three in one. Yeah, maybe not the most prolific offense in the league, but. You know, it says something, it says something to his value. We'll see if that trend continues going forward. We're gonna get outta here and I just wanna give some final thoughts. You can comment on this John as you. And I know this is a labor of love. We do this. For the site. We do this for the fans. It's not something that. It's not my day job. It's, you know something else that we do because we left the Bengals. We love the fans in the in the readers in. Every once in a while you get some comments that really pep. Yup. And really make you feel good about what you're doing and that was tonight and I want to, I just want to. Throw this out there Dangelo hanker since welcome to the jungle, which is a very long name. He writes, follow this podcast. This is the best podcast in our live YouTube chat. And then he says. They, Carl Benton falls it up with these quote cats do a good job. I like that. And he said, yeah, they do a great job, honestly. So very, very much appreciated from you. And then John, you got interstellar calls it the favorite part of of his weak, and he follows it up with. John, you're my hero and father. I'm glad you are now a regular on here. I'm assuming east talking about you. So, yeah, you you, you're the Darth beta. 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Hour 1: Kaepernick & NFL Settle

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Hour 1: Kaepernick & NFL Settle

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I'm will Cain fill in for Molly. Karen alongside the guys. Max kellerman. Stephen what's up fellas or some give a good time in Charlotte. Oh that the double fist. I need you. Tell us all about it. All right, something like that the NBA showcase weekend culminate with team. Lebron coming back from over twenty point deficit to beat TIMMY, honest, one seventy eight to one sixty four Kevin Durant comb the all star in VP honors for the second time in his career with all the events of the weekend, including news like Anthony Davis and his intentions, and of course, the pelicans front office. Here's the question will start with Stephen was this a good weekend. All and all for the NBA. I think so I think so first of all they were in the news all the time. Because obviously, they Anthony Davis stuff broke, you know, Adele Dem's obviously lost his job on. Fortunately. So that started in the all star weekend. I think the skills competition was very interesting with Jason Tatum hitting the wind game winner from half court. I think the slam dunk competition was very interesting. The tennis tennis, Mr. many damn dots. And I think they need to modify those rules to such as agree with you. Don't get that many opportunities to miss I loved the three point shooting contest. That's my favorite Joab. Showed up. It would have been nice to see Seth curry against Steph curry, considering the fact that they were in Charlotte when Steph curry hit non straight that was something special whole make no mistake about it. So I enjoyed the three point shooting contest. And unlike football, I understand this. It's an exhibition. So just like you're not going to see football play defense played for the whole pro game. You're not gonna see defense plate, you know, yesterday an NBA all star game. What basketball's a different sport than football. So the individual roads like, for example, you might sit up there and see Steph curry give their bounce pass alleyoop to Janas. And but to see this brother sky in the air like that this something of a whole LeBron James kitchen alley. Oops. That's something special Steph curry drilling threes or or Damian Lillard going off hitting about six threes or Kevin Durant getting hot. These are the kind of things that even if you're in apart- playing in shooting by yourself. You're right. It takes the skill of be able to do I can assure you that there are bundles to people who can't hit. Jump shot to save their damn life. Even if they're by themselves. I would know because we're James harden. A you know, I lost a bed, and I had to sit up there and shooting in front of James harden who wouldn't allow me to to warm up I shot like one full fourteen for crying out loud. Okay. Garesh shoes on and the whole bit all by myself. Nobody in my face. But there have been a long time since I shot those three point shots and all by my lonesome can hit the shower. Father time at your how about that. How about that? All I'm saying is that these are the kind of things that transpire. This a skill that comes along with playing a game of basketball. They even when it's an exhibition, you can still you can still appreciate it significantly more than you can do in football. So overall, it did not bother me. I enjoyed it. Yeah. Steph for Seth would have been fun. Yes. Way. Like all in the family like Neth for chef that if Tang fan that reference, I'll say this the answer is no it wasn't a good weekend for the NBA. And I don't mean that in a vacuum. Okay. Compared to nothing. It was good. But I don't think we have to compare it to nothing. I think we can compare it to what it might be look what let's start with what what he really watching here. Like, what are the two glamour events like the Olympics? It's one hundred meter dash, right? And whatever else is your second. Favor. Like those are the glamour that it's the game itself and the slam dunk contest. Those are the two big things. Let's start with the slam dunk contest. When it is best. Let's take a scale, right? Like when is it at its best when two great young players or both great at dunking the ball. And they square off. Nj verse Dominique best ever two of the hugest. Biggest star ever in one of the most exciting players ever to future hall of famers, Dr J one minute that year. Right. Not the old guys. I'm careful LeBron's in it. But to next year, let me know when zion's with nj versus Dominic. That's as good as it gets next level down. Vince Carter puts on a show. Also, maybe a future hall of Famer who's amazing at dunking. And it's not like MJ verse Dominy put still you got Vince Carter next level down guy like Zach LeVine puts on some of the greatest dunks you've ever seen. And he's a good player is a known player, and he's crazy athletic, and it's like oh my God. That's good. That's like a steady pleasing as anything I've ever seen. And finally, they're always going to be. Good dunks. It's a dunk contest in the NBA the best in the world finally someone without a name, the right who is not as act Levin level dunker who's not going against someone like that's the lowest level of the competition. I hate to say it because they're amazing. And he did great and congratulations. But it's the least interesting way, the dunk contest could turn out. Now. Let's talk about the game itself. The all star game. Look, what's the worst all star game in sports? Clearly, I'm by far the Pro Bowl, the nature of football is such that you're just not gonna get a good Dame game ever from an all star game. There's too much risk involved. It's like watching an exhibition for a fight. No. You can't kill yourself in an all star game. Okay. What's the best all star game? It's major league baseball nowadays. And remember when they raised the stakes for the for the all star game people like me were like, oh, you gotta be kidding for an exhibition. But I gotta tell you it worked. It matters more. The game is better. There's higher drama. The NBA all star game has a chance to be a really good all-star game. And it's not. It's boring. The game itself is boring. They have a chance to make this better. Well, listen, I don't I'm not sure they when you talk about baseball. And let's think about it from this perspective baseball decided, hey, you know, what whoever wins. You know, you lead your Yuli gets home field advantage a World Series, Tom. That's a lot. That's a lot because cats that ACL be any part of the World Series. You know might be influencing who gets to home turf. I mean, that's that's a total worth. That's a tough hated it. What they were gonna give it up. You know, what some people tell people say that they worked for the all the for for major league baseball all-star game. But it didn't work world every time because people that did it deserve home field advantage ended up getting it. So that's problematic in and of itself. And you gotta ask yourself. What's worked with the whether or not it's worth it? In terms of the NBA all star game. I think for me to one modification I would make slam dunk contest. You do not get that opportunity to miss as many dunks as a Denison junior did years ago as Nate Robinson miss when he beat. And laundry Egwu dollar and the slam dunk contest. I felt that it was too many MRs van der deserved an I love me some Nate Robinson. But I felt that in terms of the NBA all star game. I will say this you you could come up with a greater incentive for them to place. You gotta figure out what what the incentive should be. But also, remember, you know, you do have to worry about those injuries to and. Yeah, it's fast. Max, I don't think agree with your rankings? I don't think baseball's number one of the pecking order among the all star games. I actually think the NBA is. And it's for the reason Stephen laid out, it's essentially a skills competition all the way up through the end of the weekend. All the way through Sunday. You saw the runs in the game last night it essentially a three point shooting contest. Right. That's what the NBA all star game is who can go on runs of hitting three. So I still think that's entertaining. But let me just spend this for found really entertaining. Well, but. It was put into context compared to other all star games, which is the standard you laid for us. But let me spend four to one thing you think there were winners outside of the NBA. If I told you how LeBron James his recruiting efforts or the Los Angeles Lakers were there or Anthony Davis may was there a winner this weekend beyond just the game of basketball. I would say that the perception is going to be that the Boston Celtics or someone like that. Because Anthony Davis came out and said, hey, I haven't ruled anyone off the list. I think that is a faulty perception, I don't think that's reality. I got it. I've just once again, I'm going to go back to what I said, I don't need to regurgitate the same comments. It's more of a skill competition than anything else. And I think that considering that I don't think the expectations for NBA all star Sunday is what you're trying to make it out to be in terms of the expectation. You recognize the fact that it's an exhibition, but in the sport of basketball more so than anything else, you want to expert max where you go to a park if you went to a park to watch somebody you going there. To watch. And it's always not a rocker league game either. It's not I'm not saying it is I'm not saying this. I'm saying if you look like a rocker that'd be different. I'm saying the exhibition portion of it is more tolerable in basketball than it is for the sports. Right. That's what I'm gonna give away. Three concern is real. And if someone followed my advice, eventually some all star would have a really bad injury. And everyone's saying this is stupid. However. In the meantime, the fact is on any given player and you giving game risk of career. Altering injury is pretty low in basketball. In fact, just crunch the numbers. It seems like it should be higher than it is. But guys don't usually get hurt in the course of again, Stephen while you, and I might agree. It was a good week and fame they what I'll be fascinated with going forward. Was it a good weekend for LeBron in? It's nice to have a helping hand especially when it's tax season. And that hand is attached to a license tax professional with turbo tax love. 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He did it quietly. The media noticed made a big deal out of it. Donald Trump noticed turned it into a political, pardon the expression football and off we were to the races right now. That's so to speak. Now, it became this enormous issue. But capper Nick was not protesting that the league needs to open it books and show like, you know, and get into all its dirty secrets and everything. He was that wasn't what this was about originally. This was about ultimately when it became an issue capper, Nick raising awareness for issues of social injustice, really, particularly the way police interact with communities of color was awareness, raised obviously we're resources raised in directed in that and directed there. The answer. Is. Yes, they were. Now, ultimately if capture Nick gets a job in the league and meals during the anthem the optics will be clear to everyone that capper Nick one. If he doesn't get a job in the league where he does and stands for the anthem. There will be those who say no the league one. And I understand where people would say if he doesn't get a job the league has made its point you can stand up and do what you think you can do. But the bottom line is you're going to be made an example of maybe guys curt flood never got paid, really. But you know, what the bottom line is. The ceremony is now truly optional. It is not mandatory. And there are those with opted out of it. So he has not only raised awareness. He's changed the way the league does business and even if he doesn't benefit directly which apparently has because he spent simply got paid for this. He has made a difference in precisely the way he intended in the first place. So you have to look hard. But big picture is he won. Well, he might have one of the big picture max Kellerman. I don't know that yet. I don't see that. And to answer the question directly. I'm gonna tell you right now. I don't think he looks very good. And I don't think the people who have supported and tried to Marta him. Look, very, very good. Let me be very clear about that. Having said all of that as a black man his willingness to bring attention to issues that have plagued community, I'm incredibly grateful to him for that. Which is why I have supported him. I also believe that he has been blackballed. I don't care what anybody says, I definitely think that there is credence to that argument. But I'm gonna tell you exactly why I don't think he looks good. I don't know whether it was the Washington Post or where it was that. I read this article maximum will. But there was a statement in there. There's a line in there. And it said whether it was wise opposed to do I forget where it was. It says Justice and liberty dies in the dark. Well, here's where the problem lies. What did you win Colin cabinet? I wanna know the money. I want to know what the details of. The settlement are that's what I want to know. You don't sit up there and get to get martyred by everybody and their grandmother all of these over the last two years with everybody making a case about how he's being blackballed. He's being ostracized and all of this other stuff. You don't get to sit up there and send out tweets thanking Riyana and other stars who refuse to perform at half, Tom for the Super Bowl in protests and support of you because their belief was that you have been blackballed, and there's a nation of folks, particularly from the minority community that have been standing up screaming and hollering about how you have been ostracized. How you have been mistreated. And then all of a sudden, you quietly reach a settlement that we don't know what the hell it entails. That's my problem with all of this. It says here as part of that confidentiality agreement. It is believed both sides now disclosure agreement agreeing not to speak publicly about the details of the case. Or the settlement? So we don't know what the owners of sacrifice. We don't know what concessions have been reached. We don't know whether you're the sole individual that benefits the causes that you wanted to bring attention to that you were insisted that the NFL and society as a whole dresses. We don't know whether or not NFL owners the league the play is associated on anybody else. Exactly what they're going to do in order to address your concerns. And all I'm saying is that for me personally for me personally again. I don't want the decision to be in the dark, whatever it is. I don't care what it, but a couple of days people, I think that because of what this morphed into people have a right to know something other than a we're not going to disclose any details whatsoever. I understand that impulse. But why should you or anyone else defined for capper? Nick what his goals were. Let's start from the beginning. He conscientiously objected to participating in. An anthem ceremony. Guess what? Once upon a time. If you did that apparently look at capper, Nick he got drummed out of the league. Now, that's no longer the case. So even if he doesn't play again others who who feel that they have a conscientious objection to participation don't have to participate if they don't want to that's number one number two the collusion case. No one else is being colluded against as a result of this. He was not how we know that we don't know he players who've been all even the lease does part, but he's got a job. But he was still part of the green shoot. He's accused them of colluding. This is a settlement. There's no guilt Highland has been acknowledged when part of the NFL, sure. But it's captured look why does capture Nick play football for the love of the game. If anyone has the love of the game. Why if they're not in the league or they're not playing for fun tackle football in the park on Sundays because it's not for the love of the game. That may be a component of it you're playing because you make your your profession you make a living. It's a dangerous violent profession. And even if you love it. It's not. Like, although out and do it for free. So the point is he like, of course, it's his business. He just extensively ca- got compensated. Okay. And he is the only one was point who doesn't have a job who deserves it in the league. As a result of this issue on a coup-, his choice, and I wanna come and ask answer your question directly. You're saying that all right. It's his choices choice. I get that argument max. But what I'm trying to say is it was a 'cause you you addressed a 'cause you wanted things addressed the settlement is going to tell me what you said. Or for the settlement is going to tell me whether or not it was about you. Or it was about the call that you purported. It was about man details of it is going to give me fodder. It's going to give me formation to know. Exactly. What does it differ? If to own a when we listen to this listen to this if the ornaments. We find out that the owners gave him twenty five thirty million dollars. Okay. You ain't gonna be the lead. Okay. Or if you come back in the league, you're going to stand for the national anthem. Now. This is what you're going to do. Okay. We're not giving any any any additional dollars to any course, anything like that. We're going to give you this money shut up come back and play and you capitulate to that. Then that goes against everything I want direct directly. I'm not saying he did that. I don't know. I get shoes there one. I agree that I would have also preferred to know the terms, but not knowing the terms to me, it's not a deal breaker, if your point is that max, what's others say I'm meal with or is stand with cap, then it's bigger than just what capper Nick wants. He has to consider that unless he plays in the league again and doesn't stand for the anthem. He has let people down that's a different story. Sorry. But again, whatever other people's feelings were about the symbol capper. Nick bootcamp became he has a right to say, wait a minute. I conscientiously objected to the ceremony that was important to me if he feels like he now can stand for it. He feels that in his heart. And he does it that's up to him. If he is instead never gets to play in the league again. But now others don't have to stand for it. Then he has made Mexican make one small point here. Max you're claiming victory on the collusion settlement on points that were accomplished before this the NFL's policy on the anthem had changed before the settlement of this collusion. This collusion case was about proving whether or not the NFL had blackballed as you pointed out Colin cabinet where we stand today, we have a clear draw. We do not know that is what a settlement is the only thing was accomplished with some some of money. You can attach wins or losses to that money based on your own internal automatic bought away. You don't know, by the way max, it will it is entirely plausible. Because you've got to remember you're talking about t-, let's say, for example, the NFL PA gotten involved in their father grievous, and they had been proactive and all of this as opposed to deferring the cabinets wishes in terms of 'em and his agent handling it instead of them. Let's just sit up there and say that they have positioned the NFL odors to try to force them to disclose text messages. Emails things of that nature. It is entirely plausible that the NFL was completely completely innocent of collusion. But there's other dirt's other decimated at one out there, which is why the way a lot of people think that's likely and I want to address that now. Okay. We can sit here and save the collusion case is really about a larger point. Hey, the NFL should not be able to unfairly drum someone out of the league because it's convenient or inconvenient for them their behavior. Right. But Colin Kaepernick may say, no, wait a minute this soup for me is I'm unable to make a living in my chosen profession as a result of that. And what's important to me is that I can. And I. We would be fair to say when we say how does Colin Kaepernick look now, none of us assume this low sum of money, I think the assumption of you assume that this is not sign money. I honestly max. Matt Matt honestly, I will hold on. We'll go. Will max Kellerman. This is a quote from Colin cap and Nick over a year ago. He says if they take football away from me my endorsements away from me, I know that I stood up for what is right. And that is what matters most. So again, what I'm saying to you is what I'm saying to us. I'm gonna just what you say. I'm simply saying that not disclosing not revealing anything and leaving folks in the dawn as to what really trained with the settlement. I think we're going to draw point. Go ahead question. Do you assume it's a large sum of money or a small sum of money? I assume what what's your definition a law? Millions of dollars. Well, it's merely. Yeah. Sure. In other words, he loses his car he wrote while he got paid off a contract. But he loses endorsements, but we all assume he just settled for millions of dollars. So did he stand up for something? Yes. Did he make a difference? Yes. He compensation what we got against him. Yet. He makes millions of dollars a year from night is I don't know what the definition of a large sum is right now. And I don't think we know what the answer those questions are. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school. The sportscasting I've teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're winning in learn more about full sail. Universities, Dan, Patrick school sports casting by going to full sail dot EDU slash, Dan. Patrick school. Sportscenter right now, I'm Victoria Arlen so much for the off season the NFL managed to dominate the headlines last week, and you can expect more fireworks this week Steelers owner art Rooney is expected to meet in person within Tony Brown to hear firsthand from the disgruntled wide receiver who wants out of Pittsburgh, but on Saturday Brown decided to give fans a sneak peek answering questions on Twitter. Here's just an example of what went down on his relationship with Ben Rothlisberger. Brown tweeted, quote, no conflict, just a matter of respect mutual respect. He has owner mentality. Like, he can call up anybody, including coaches players know, what they can't say anything about it. Otherwise, they meal ticket gone. It's a dirty game within a game. Hashtag troop. And here was Brown on his trade. Demand. Quote, not for the money for the love of the sport the commitment to win relentlessly consistently passionately. Plus, I made seventy million it's public record Nazi cocky, just tree time to play for my own team av. Eighty four the family. I welcome in our NFL front office inside insider Louis Riddick who's back in Bristol for this conversation. What's up Louis? Hey, how you doing guys? All right. Steven eight I'm going to start with you considering ABC comments about Big Ben what he thinks more central to this entire thing. Who's the core of the problem? Ben Rothlisberger Antonio Brown when I look at Antonio Brown. I've certainly not about to absolve him from anything. But the reason why put and I'm going to go to route a Big Ben Rothlisberger Theresa why I'll put it on him because of a couple of reasons number one it's universally understood that why receive is arguably the biggest divas on a football team their wide receivers for crying out loud. They out there running around to all the time. And they they're lucky if they get five passes thrown to them for game. Even though that's not the case within Antonio Brown. That's more like eight or nine when it comes to him. We understand that the reason also a whole big, rob this Bergara accountable. And all of this is I think he's gotten a pass. He's been allowed to lay in the dog. Having missed the playoffs. We haven't heard from him at the seas after right immediately after the season ends he goes on a local radio show in Pittsburgh for his weekly radio gate. Okay. Anybody Szekely lie talked about how there was no issues. Really with him Antonio Brown. Relationship was fine. Not told y'all it wasn't fun. It wasn't fun at all. Because I had smoking Antonio Brown. Antonio Brown is not fine. We're Big Ben Rothlisberger. So it's nice to see him publicly declaring where he has stood privately for months now if not years Big Ben Rothlisberger has a future hall of fame as a two-time champions been Super Bowls got nothing, but respect for him. But the reality is is that we have to recognize the fact that Big Ben Rothlisberger has a history of throwing teammates under the bus and not. And when I say team is I'm not just talking about players. It's players like Antonio Brown Martavis Bryant, James Washington. Call out the youth talked about how plays needed to be made. He's called out coaches in the path included in this offense coordinator, one of us coordinated Todd Haley is gone because of the relationship that he had. We're Big Ben Rothlisberger. He's called out management from Tom top. And he doesn't seem to call out himself enough, which is why add credence to what into or absorbed credence to win. Tonio Brown said when he basically said Ben Rothlisberger is like an odor. You know, he comes across the somebody that could just sit up there, and and diminish and disrespect of the people I'm paraphrase in there. But that's the sensually what he said. And so for me if you are the quarterback, if you are future hall of fame quarterback, if you're the face of the franchise, and you have been for more than a decade, and you have an elite receiver of this magnitude who is speaking that way against you. You cannot be absorbed from it. No excuse for Tonio Brown's childishness. I get that. But I find myself looking at Big Ben Rothlisberger. Because of Big Ben Rothlisberger were a bigger man than it would be easier to deal with the petulance of an Tonio Brown. The predictable petulance. Of Antonio Brown because that's what most wide receivers. Are. I absolve that roughest Pergamon the exact opposite end of this is you I don't absolve rothlisburger. But this is about Antonio Brown. How many Super Bowls had the Pittsburgh Steelers won in their franchise history? Six how many have they won without either Terry Bradshaw or Ben Rothlisberger zero? You need a franchise quarterback. Whether or not it's fair that guy has more sway in the organization than even the best receiver ever because it's not as correlated with winning Super Bowls as having a franchise quarterback. So rothlisburger stone guys under the bus. He does a lot of stuff. I don't like, however, the Pittsburgh Steelers even with a Levy on bell situation. We're still the Steelers low these many years rounds everyone a Super Bowl with them. But they want a Super Bowl before he got there. They'll still have Super Bowl chances after he leaves. In Tonio Brown shows up and all the sudden Rooney the owner is in the press making noise about maybe Brown doesn't have to be back. Mike Tomlin's being questioned the quarterbacks being questioned Brown. Looks bad keeps talking about these guys. So a franchise that was like the model northeastern old school run the ball. Stop the run win Super Bowls franchises. All of a sudden. It's like, wow. The Steelers the Steelers at like, everyone involved looks a mess that wasn't the case before Antonio Brown. Started talking. I gotta blame this whatever else is culpable to what degree to me. It's about him Tonio Brown. What do you think? Lewis. Look there. There's a whole lot of blaming. It's is not about this isn't just a question of Antonio Brown. Bush's Ben Rothlisberger. There's a lot of things that lead to the kind of combustible situation that you have here in Pittsburgh right now. And a lot of that starts at the very top. Because you're enabling and you're allowing this kind of situation the fester within your locker room and going on check look max, I agree with you. Quarterback play yada, yada, yada. It's important as far as trying to win Super Bowls. We get it. Okay. But so is credibility when it's comes to your number one leaders or rather your number one leader in your locker credibility trust. It's about that. And I'm not absolving Antonio Brown. Don't get me wrong. Because we've we've talked a lot about his child childishness. He is put it on display himself. And he doesn't need to grow up. He does need to do some things that get out of himself back into the team. He does need to do that. But there is a trust issue going on here, obviously between him and Big Ben. And I think it's something that obviously the Rooney's right now understand that maybe we need to take a step back here a little bit and really listened to Antonio side of this and really kind of gather all the information here because something's fester in here with our football team that just keeps coming up over and over and over again there's enough rumors that are going around Pittsburgh as far as might not run a tight ship. And I'm sure he's going to have to be involved in far as this is concerned about, hey, what kind of changes do I need to make going forward on the little bit to blame of this. Again, the ruins are a little bit to blame. Because although you can't manage teams from the sweets and from the board room, you have to have your finger on the pulse of what is going on with your football team. Especially concerning your primary players. You're superstar players the players that ultimately are going to get you to the Super Bowl and right here. It doesn't look like they have their pulse on the finger of anything. Because all of a sudden now, although there may have been rumors swirling around about, you know, maybe how Big Ben conducts himself as a leader. And there has been there's been evidence that says that he's willing to throw anybody under the bus and not really stepped up and hold himself accountable. Like some of the other multiple times Super Bowl champion winning quarterbacks. Do look man. But it's it's time. It's time for them to really have a clearing of the air here because you really want to send Antonio Brown packing. Do you really going to send him down the road? Louis louis. That's where I'm going with all of this in to address Max's point directly. It would be one thing if Antonio Brown acting as if he should have an elevated level of importance over Big Ben Rothlisberger. That's not what he's saying. Essentially what he's saying is excuse me. I'm kind of all world at what I do myself that doesn't give you the license to disrespect me just because you play a different position in obviously your position is more important than mine. There is value to me. This is a guy over the last six years has had a minimum of one hundred one receptions and a minimum of twelve hundred and eighty seven yards par season each of the last six years. So to me, I think this is one of those situations if they sat down and Antonio Brown was able to speak his mind, and the speak clearly and people were willing to man up and accept responsibility for their role in things, I think you'd be hearing entirely different tune from Tonio Brown. I think the thing that floor straits in the most is what he believes. A guy like Big Ben Rothlisberger has been allowed to get on lead at the same. The importance of your position is understood in football when you play quarterback and you're a superstar quarterback and you're a Super Bowl winning quarterback. That's a given. It does not give you the right though, then to just go hog wild and be able to call out whoever you want whenever you want and act as though you do have an ownership type of mentality. That's not the way it works in consistently sustaining sustainable winning cultures. You just don't do those kinds of I hear you. I think the Tonio Brown makes valid points. But to me that's a separate issue. Because the fact is the Steelers have shown in the past that they can win a Super Bowl two Super Bowls without him. And with rothlisburger at quarterback, whatever office burner was doing back, then unless it's changed overtime Jackley. See that the note, but see that's what you don't know. Max, you don't really know what is going on in this locker room right now as far as is Ben contributing to some of the problems here. And again, this is not trying to take the blame off van Tonio. We've seen him do things that are just ridiculous that you just go look, man. You don't have to do that. You don't have to your. Getting another attention. You're getting enough money. We know you're a superstar can just say. It seems to me that he lost his burger is contributing to something bad going on here. The should Antonio Brown. Be talking about it publicly. If you on it. The same way the same way the same way temple shouldn't be calling out their teammates the way that happens in Pittsburgh and air there they air their private laundry publicly all the time. This is this something that's indicative of what's wrong here, and what the Rooney's have to get hold of. There's enough blame round to go for everyone in this situation. Was put a pianist Louis you're gonna come back a little bit later. We'll keep talking about this other things in the NFL. Thanks Louis yet. Message and data rates may apply. When did it become ok for men to be Lazier softer fatter? We need to bring the men of this country back to greatness, and it's easier than ever with ageless male max a patent pending formula with an ingredient that helps boost your total testosterone promoting greater increases in muscle size and twice the reduction of body fat percentage that exercise alone. 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Steelers Preview: Do Steelers fans really appreciate Ben Roethlisberger?

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Steelers Preview: Do Steelers fans really appreciate Ben Roethlisberger?

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That's Brian Anthony Davis. How's IT GOING BRIAN? I am happy as a clam on Tuesday there. You go and I am not Ben Rothlisberger. I am Jeff Harvard as I stated earlier. And yes we are all wearing our Ben Rothlisberger Jerseys We're doing that intentionally. It has to do with the headline and the appreciation for number seven. We'll talk about that in the second little tease. Therefore you we've got an action packed. Show today action packed. Show I hope. Your buckled up ready to go. It's GonNa be fun. It's GonNa be funny and the Knicks. You join us for the after party shortly after this one. So let's get things started with. Kevin Colbert met with several members of the media today and he gave a lot of just like Art Rooney. The second did a few weeks ago. There's one thing I wanted to talk about to kick off the show. He made a comment Kevin Colbert. He said that he is more confident in. That might not be the exact words that he used. Dave you have to correct me. He's more confident. Team heading into twenty twenty. That he was in twenty nineteen coming off a nine six and one season guys. We know what's going on with his team. We know the giant elephant in the room. And IT'S THE JERSEY. Were all wearing right. Absolutely is this just. Is this just nothing but him blowing smoke or you guys buy into this and thank you know what he should be more excited for. Twenty twenty eight anywhere. Twenty Nineteen Brian. We'll start with you. You know. I think it's a little bit of smoke and the reason I'm saying that is know. Look you know you've got to say that you're excited about the two thousand nineteen when bad so of course you say you could easily now that Oh yeah more excited about this season because you're selling the up time upcoming season no GM's going to say you know what I was more kind of coming into the last season I am this season. This season might sock folks now. Don't WANNA I don't WanNa your capital shifts saying that so Yeah I can't think of a little bit of smoke but I always say this with management. They know something that we don't because they're the ones putting the ingredients in the stew. Good Point Dave. What about you thoughts on the comments? I think the heart of the comment came to what is the focus and the strength of this team. And when you're talking about the strength of the team going into last year of being being the offense but then you had lost some key pieces and then you lost Ben Rothlisberger on top of that that I would see why we didn't know because you had your strength that you would lost a couple of your better players this year going into this year. Your strength your defense and with the only question mark right now being by debris and J von Hargrave if they can keep either one of those. I feel that. There's a reason to be more confident this year than last year because last year the question would be. How was Ben Without Gummy Richards? And things like that. Sorry you may say So there was question mark going into it because that was the strength of your team. And how would your strength respond? Now you have a new strength and it looks like you're going to rent maintain most of that strength so I understand why he's confident when he went into a little bit of specifics after he made that comment and he mentioned one thing defense the way the defense was playing at the end of the season the way the defense played really once they acquired megabits. Patrick he's this defense. I feel like we can contend. He spoke about how he was just disappointed. They didn't even make the playoffs. He's because you know our goal obviously is Mike. Tomlin says is our Rooney. Says he says over and over again is to win championships. He's in if you don't even get to the dance that's a problem and so two straight years steelers haven't been in the postseason he's excited. We're all excited. I hope that you are excited. I'm really a anchor anxiously excited for the twenty first of February when Ben Rothlisberger gets his first Doctor's appointment out of the way in to see how his arm is in. Yeah and that's and they in Kevin. Colbert actually said that. That was the date because a lot of people are saying that it's not true Ron cooked from the post. Gazette issued broke that news. Maybe it's not L. It's twenty first. And so ben could start throwing not a football but he could start throwing objects As soon as maybe the end of the month and so that would be great news. We'll see how that goes. Let's talk about Ben Rothlisberger for a little bit showy last night on the standard is a standard lance. And I were talking about Just the quarterback position then gets brought up every show on every single every single podcast. Why he's the the key cog to this machine in twenty twenty and if he's back and healthy than this team can contend in my opinion. If he's not you might expect more twenty nineteen again. We'll put it that way and Lance is not a big fan of number seven anyone. That's listening to this. Show listen to Lance Williams talk. He's not a fan of his off field transgressions. He's not a fan of how he can at times. Throw his teammates under the bus. I said the lands. I said thinks steeler fans really appreciate what they have in Ben Rothlisberger. Do they really appreciate number seven and we texted each other as we did our production meeting this morning as we usually do on? Thursdays in Brian. You a good point about an aging veteran in general. Why don't you elaborate on that? Janet Jackson once said it best in her debut single would have you done for me lately and so we see this a whole lot of times I could bring up. One guy that that steeler nation didn't give him a chance the first season he was a bust and at the end of his career they were ready to ship them out because he's too old he can't do it anymore. That's Troy Powell Mala. If you remember two thousand and three this guy he was. They were talking about him like they talked about. Jarvis Jones and Artie Burns actually already. Burns wasn't the scourge until season two steelers fans. But they weren't sure about this this Guy With long hair. That long haired guy. That's all they'd call them. They couldn't pronounce his name and they they saw this guy and they're like you know he just he's not doing anything hardly playing. Hey Dick Dick Lebeau defense in. What they did was they made. Sure you learned it and pepperdine here and there. But usually for defenders Indica Lebow's defense it was season to where you would flourish and season two. He was absolutely amazing. That two thousand four season at the end of his career. Everybody loved Troy. It all started out like this. I love troy but it was it. You see that with aging veterans all the time. It's time for him to go. That's what that's what Brian saying. That's what everybody says the majority of people say you. We need a new guy because this guy's too old he can't do it anymore. So we put these guys out to pasture of very easily and that is kind of what's happening with Ben Roethlisberger right now. I don't think he's appreciated. And I think that's really what we can say about. What's going on here right now? Because he wasn't there for this team last year because of his elbow now. No one thinks he can do it. And everybody's ready to move on. They want I mean they WanNa Philip rivers in here. You don't want Philip rivers in here. You need a healthy Ben. Rothlisberger here is what you need. Everybody's talking Oh go get teddy bridgewater one. You don't have the money and to. You're not going to insult Ben Rothlisberger right now. If you bring anybody in you bring a competent backup and you bring somebody in the key. That could do something. You're disagreeing with me. Dave no you bring anybody. Because you've you've you've you're spending too much money on the position right now. Anyway I want to spend money spend it somewhere else. I? I'm not saying you bring somebody in if you're going to bring somebody in so what I'm saying is so if you're going to bring somebody in you bring a backup. Somebody that could spell him when he's gone. But you probably like Dave said. You're probably not going to do that now. This is Ben Rothlisberger team. That's the reason that randy land is here. That's the reason that if you ever see Richard Gumy's back here. It's because Ben Watson back that's the only reason you'll ever see that is if Ben Decides. That's his team. He makes decisions when he's here so with that being said Ben. Roethlisberger is not appreciated. Right now in the reason he's not appreciated as because he's not doing anything for you lately and you don't know what you're going to get in two thousand twenty because it's all ifs and buts candy and nuts Gal Dave. What are your thoughts on the appreciation level for a number seven from St Nation? Bottom line is this. If you have a player on your that takes up sixteen point eight percent of your salary cap you are going to basically have them be ninety five percent of your offense if they're an offensive player. That's what you have to do. I mean some people don't like that offense is so centered around Ben. That's because that's where the I mean if that's what you're investing your money that's what you've gotta do and if you're not going why would you pay that much money to a player that you're not going to accommodate and set up your offense or set up your team around and a story. I feel Ben is not perfect. He's not a perfect player. He's not a perfect person. Especially when we dig into the further back you go with them the more the imperfection comes out. That's not the thing. There are teams. That would die to have a Ben Rothlisberger over the last sixteen years. I mean look at all the teams that have at that if tried and thought they had something in a failed. I mean we live in an area where we're surrounded by fans of other teams one of those teams is the Washington redskins. You don't mean to tell me that. Any Washington redskin fan says you all what do they say to me all the time. You only do appreciate what Rawls Burgers long as you got it because we ain't had that for a long time you know they thought they had it with rg three. That didn't work out. It's amazing this doesn't happen all the time people and that's the thing we think because we're the steelers we deserve this or because we're steelers fans. We deserve this. They've got a great job assembling this team. And you've got to roll with Ben Rothlisberger as long as you can roll with Ben Rothlisberger as long as as long as you're having to pay him to be on the team he's your guy and we when it comes to twenty twenty. I put an article out this afternoon. That says twenty twenty nineteen. It's going to come down to injuries. And were the injuries are for the steelers? And how well they can compete. Because the way everything's set up you can't go out and get super deep all these positions just because they're not they don't have a first round draft pick. They have the thirty percent rule going on about restructuring. And they're up against the cap so that's just how it is this year you've got you've got to try to at least get your starting group out there and and pray that you're young guys if they have to be called upon Ken. Step up that the guys that you're not getting team or not banking on this year. The same things roll with Ben Rothlisberger. That's the first time in his year. He's been on. He and his year first time in his career. He's been on the injured reserve now all of a sudden Benz injury prone and we can't count on them. We have to go out and spend money somewhere else for Ben. Let's just you know. Bottom line is twenty twenty year. He's either going to come back and he's going to be the man and we're all going to get behind him again or he's not and unfortunately the Arizona over. It's just how it is when I think about this question and I'm a big Ben Rothlisberger Fan of safety that multiple times There's a couple of things that come to mind number one. I think about two thousand nineteen I think about. You don't know what you've got until it's gone okay. And do dozen nineteen should have been an eye opening experience for Steaua fans in my opinion. You didn't have or seven and I see a lot of people alive Cheddar. Tom Interceptions interceptions. You'll have Ben. Rothlisberger typically did even. When he threw some interceptions he made some really freaking great place to and he made some really good throws too. So yeah he has. Those doesn't always point to two thousand. Seventeen week five Jacksonville five interceptions. That was hideous. We all remember that game but a lot of times fans will always point interception so you saw two thousand nineteen two guys at through. A lot of interceptions didn't make those great throws didn't make those great plays and look what you got. So if you're GONNA point interceptions in interceptions alone then Ben Rothlisberger is going to be have glaring deficiencies in your eyes. But I WANNA go step further. I don't think since one event took place that this fan base has ever truly appreciated and embraced brand Ben Rothlisberger unless he want superbowl. What event has that was? You got it. That was my vote. You got it ever since he wrecked on that motorcycle because before that he can walk on water in Pittsburgh in around any Pittsburgh steeler fan and so ever since that moment in because Terry Bradshaw told him to wear. Helmand ditch the bikes and he didn't listen and he doesn't go on and on fans always doubted Ben Rothlisberger. They didn't think that he was everything was cracked up to be. Then you get to the off your transgressions the accusations. We all know about that. No reason to hash that up again. I just don't think this fan base because as as all Tom Brady. They saw drew brees. They saw Peyton manning hacked. There were times when they saw Philip rivers in. Eli Manning and the president will shoot. This is ridiculous Ben. Rothlisberger in my opinion is one of the best quarterbacks in his era I would say he's top five at least in his era. You know I don't think people might WanNa to put other good. Don't you always want to think about the negative? You Always WanNa think about the negative but let's not forget about the games were Ben Rothlisberger. Literally won the game or played unbelievable. I think about the Thursday night game against Carolina. I think about the Games against the Indianapolis Colts where he throws six touchdowns you know. I have these you have the game against the Green Bay packers. Where was one second left? He Mike Wallace in the corner throws for over five hundred yards. I think it you have these games into me. Those Games strongly outweigh the you know. They strongly outweigh the bad in terms of the Games where he has five interceptions. He throws a costly pick. Every quarterback throws a costly pick. You Know Tom. Brady's last throw in New England could have been a pick six in the playoffs. I mean come on guys appreciate the man for what he can do on the field. That's my theory and I have a good friend of mine is a dolphins fan and he always talked about Dan Marino and how people would say Dan Marino was a jerk off road and he always said the same thing. I like him for what he does on the field. I don't root for him as a person off-the-field and that's kind of what I feel about officer but I've always supported in because I've always appreciated him and I saw last year. I think you should have seen last year. What this world in terms of the steelers and the football team what it would look like if Ben Rothlisberger weren't on it and that offense was not pretty good Brian. What would you say bans wins against? Replacement would be if this was baseball. Maybe three against against his replacement navy and higher. Okay so if you look at two thousand and nineteen was just we just witnessed it and we just absorbed it and we're trying to get over. This they were in eighteen eighteen with Ben Rothlisberger possibly twelve and fourteen. That's true but like I always say the Miami Dolphins are not trading with the Pittsburgh steelers. If Ben Rothlisberger still on that team traded off that we that we would have had a first round pick would not have mick fitzpatrick and I will take minkah Fitzpatrick I will take a Ben Rothlisberger. Who might the question was? How much was he himself? Those first six quarters that he played. I don't know I would much rather look at Ben who's trying to get himself fixed now and coming back for another couple seasons than Ben Rothlisberger limping along and trying to cover for an arm. That may have been dead long before he really heard it. I do want to say one thing as R- Nehemiah I'll tell you you're right. You're ben is a great fourth quarter quarterback he is. It's not that he's not a great quarterback in other quarters but just look at this season. Did we really have any confidence in two thousand nineteen that that the offense had the ball and they needed the score to win that they would get that score. I mean the only chance I mean. They didn't even get to opportunities very very often. They had it against the forty niners where they actually had. The ball had to lead and then fumbled it away but they did get the ball one more time at the end but couldn't really do anything with it. You didn't have confidence in it but tell you what number seven hundred center. You sure did not that. He had not that he did it every time. But you knew it was possible you know it was possible to get your thoughts on this. I'll put it up on the screen. Dennis he's a longtime listener says Ben Undoubtedly made some some. He used that twice intentionally. Amazing throws but they were then and how many players has one. Is this. What it's come down to? I mean if you're if you're talking about his career as a whole I mean people I know the guy of North who's done a lot of damage to Pittsburgh in dot damage across the NFL regardless of how they did it but they've done it. Tom Brady is the gold standard. How many other players out there are going to have the the? We'll say the resume of Ben Rothlisberger as a career during his generation. We know Brady. We know manning even though manning how many superbowls did he win to okay? Who else seriously drew. Brees only made it to one. He's been. He's been a colossal failure in the playoffs. Failure jokes choke artists. People don't want to think that because they like drew brees Nice Guy. He's been choke artist in the postseason. Who else seriously. Because I was starting to fired up a little bit because go ahead go ahead if I could save me from myself one. He was thirteen and eight in the playoffs. Okay that's his overall record in playoffs but if you look at the top ten in passing the career. Nfl Ben Rothlisberger number eight drew. Brees is number one to your point one ring. Tom Brady peyton manning to rings farve one right. He consider that his generation bit Brett Farve. No but I'm going to get to a point there. Dan Marino Philip rivers ally manning and then Ben Rothlisberger Ben. Rothlisberger is most likely going to pass ally. Eli Manning he could. He's five thousand away from passing Dan Marino. That might be a possibility. When it's all said and done he could be the number five all time. Leering yardage if you're looking at Ben Rothlisberger his generation. You're talking about Tom Brady. You're talking about Peyton. Manning Philip Rivers ally Manning Matt Ryan whose number ten Aaron Rogers whose number thirteen and possibly Carson Palmer whose number fourteen. So if you're looking at those guys besides Tom Brady your worshiper balls of inbreeding. Yeah I am well manning has has the two I mean. So he's tied with manning has more. But here's here's a great stat that we talked about this year in the Super Bowl first time since two thousand three there was a super bowl or AFC championship game. Excuse me without Brady Rothlisberger or manic. That's that's how many years in a row that's who ruled the roost that entire time. So if it wasn't so one of the reasons ban didn't get six or seven because there were still brady and Brady was beating the steelers defense. They're still manning. So it's not head-to-head with those guys as far as they're not going out and passed the against each other there the Pacers on the other side of the ball passing defenses and so Ben Roethlisberger is one of the greatest generation if you WANNA put him a any higher than if you WANNA put them any lower than number four then. I'd probably disagree with you. You could put them. Maybe because you're GONNA go ahead and put your GonNa put Brady and Manning up there. You could put Bennett number three or you. If you WANNA put drew brees because of all the passing yards and one touchdown you could. Aaron Rodgers has excuse me not touchdown one super bowl and then Aaron Rodgers has one super bowl in. He's a he's down on the passing yards but he could possibly catch Ben but those are the five guys in. You could put van anywhere from three to five again. It comes down to the fact that people are steeler fans. That's spoiled ads spoilt. They WANNA THEY WANNA run out. They WANNA run out a coach of the year candidate from this year. They plotted people still want him gone. Because he's not the Guy Up North. You know if we don't have the very best that we need to move on from what we have. It doesn't matter for top five if we don't have the best then. It's not good enough. Sometimes I gets frustrating. I guess I guess the the point of this exercise is I hope fans especially after two thousand nineteen appreciate Rothlisberger if he can come back healthy and he's deemed to be ready to go. You enjoy every second of him playing. You can squabble about bad interceptions. We'll all do that. Every one of us on this show and everyone on our platform will probably do that. We're not saying that appreciation equals you. Don't hold a player accountable for what they do on the field. That's not what we're saying at all were saying is for crying out loud. Appreciate the fact that you have a franchise quarterback in the waning years of his career. Any need to enjoy it. Justin says I live in Michigan where people cheer for the Lions. I say we're spoiled now. You're right I mean heck just go up to northeast Ohio Mike Goodness people. I mean seriously I appreciate Ben Rothlisberger. I'm trying to say you don't have to like him off the field. You can complain about his interceptions but you know what? You're probably going to be the first people that are sitting there saying and I wish we had been Rothlisberger Back. When he retires in the cycle starts of what are we GONNA do? Now what are we going to do? Is Original? Going back into the Tomczak. O'donnell Stewart Eras. Tommy Maddox is that what we're going to go back to 'cause if so. I will just take my time with Ben. Please take your time. Enjoy every second if he plays two more years. Enjoy every second of this two years because we all know those enrolled enough. What is like when they don't have a franchise quarterback if you want to cliches that are going to some this is. The grass is always greener on the other side. And I believe you said it before. You don't don't know what you got until it's gone. Yeah but we know we do know what it's like because June nineteenth so that's what I'm saying people open you're open your eyes. Open your eyes and this and this is what I don't get. This is what I don't get. I'M GONNA put it on the screen because I just have to at this point in the green. Tv Says Ben is always been overrated. His first super bowl numbers with traffic Ash. I don't even know what to say. Don't even know what to say because yes we all know that he was what was. Let me guess youngest quarterback to win super bowl also worse passer rating ever for a winning quarterback in the Subaru. I believe at least at the time. I think that might have been a statistic. Might be right. But he wasn't good he was good. He wasn't good and he said that before suitable forty-three wanted to redeem himself because he played so poorly in super bowl. Forty Bradshaw's numbers. Bradshaw was not great. He was barely good. He was pretty much average in super bowl. Nine his first Super Bowl Win Franco. Harris won the Super Bowl. Ben's still made some passes to get them in position to win the Super Bowl and Ben also took in touchdown as well so we forget about that what he did in Super Bowl. Forty three was absolutely amazing I do have a story if I could. Jeff about Ben Rothlisberger and this was a friend of mine was friends with Jeremy Cappuccinos When he was in this was a situation where Jeremy got called he was out of football completely working state college and he would come by my buddies tailgates at Penn state so when he got picked up in two thousand ten. My Buddy said hey. I'm going to the jets game and this was December game jets game. They said well. Hey nobody knows me. I'll just meet you in the parking lot. I'll tell you so. Jerry comes out and they're just shooting the breeze in he's like let me tell you a story about band that I heard from Sean Suazo because not a lot of people know that Sean Sweet Som was with the team back in two thousand five and camp. He lost the job to jeff read. So what's we would say is that this is a completely different Ben row rothlisberger five years later. This is a guy. He's all business now. He's he's taken the Knox. He recognizes that he made mistakes along the way. He was a cocky Brash kid in two thousand five and he was insufferable in two thousand ten. He's great to be around. He is the leader of this team. And and he's a winner. So I mean my thoughts about Ben Rothlisberger completely changed is sweet. Him said from two thousand five to two thousand ten. Have you heard anything really anything that you would argue about his character? Since everything got cleaned up I don't wanNA say cleaned up. Everything ended in Milledgeville after that thing he grew up. Yeah so I mean I I really I mean we can. We can remember what somebody did way back. When you're I mean and we can bring up. Beloved athletes would that had skeletons in their closet. That are now that now. We're talking about how they're they're amazing and they were great human beings and we could talk about that but we're not doing that with Ben Rothlisberger because we're not realizing that. Hey the guy had a chance to grow up in. The Guy is playing great football for this team and we would not be in this. We were this franchise would be nothing without him right now because Levy on Belden save this franchise Richard Gumy's Gummy Richards. I'm sorry did not fix this franchise this guy who was the guy who did it. You're right instead. Let's we spent lot of time on this topic and real quick go ahead Ali. Look I mean I am not condoning anything and I see what you're saying the live chat and what I'm saying is we can. We can go off line and talk about this and talk about everything in all the papers everything in all the reports so I'm not condoning anything. I'm just saying what he's doing on the field and in the locker room so everybody wants to bring that up in. I am not going there all right so you say let's not go there. M I in any way condoning anything. No I'M NOT GONNA call you out on it if you're GONNA call me out all right now. You're just as justifiable. You know what this is good is a good time. Take a step back. I get heated. Talk about Ben to I understand Brian. You have every right to say what you said. I think that we've we've kind of put a bill on this date. You want to say one last thing. Yeah I I saw live was under performed. You don't understand what that means if you think that the steelers have underperformed what that means is going into the season we all believe that they were a super bowl or a team capable of winning the Super Bowl and they did not think about what. Put us in in that shape to be a team that would even be considered as a possibility to win the super bowl so to say we underperformed because we didn't win the Super Bowl every year or get their or get us for the playoffs. Sometimes that's only because we've had. We've had the belief that the team the players like the we're talking about. Is it enough in the first place? Generous donation excuse me Michael. Malley puts ten dollars in the tip jar and says some of these comments in the live chat. We don't have to ask if we're spoiled some spoiled brats tonight. I waited for a long time for Ben. Hell of a ride in that rise. Not over here Mike released. I refused to admit it until I see or hear that a doctor states then Rothlisberger. You cannot throw anything anymore. Ride is not over yet. Neither is the show. We're GONNA move on. We're GONNA move on to the to the running backs. There's been a theme this week throughout all of our podcasts especially with the stat gig. Dave had a special guest on both of his shows. Not Special guest was not big brother. Ridge he's always on He had one cliff. Harris is still a punk that his author title on behind the curtain that he's recently changed it could somehow. He messed up his account. I don't know he sent me a text really early morning. I'm like what are you doing anyways? Go back and listen to that. They talked about running back. Should this team the steelers offense look for a running back by committee in twenty twenty or should they still look for that one? That one lead running back. That's like their guy. Yes what they always have done in my Thomas Nelson good discussion. But we're going to talk about the running backs in general David. You have the ninety one ninety one man offseason roster in terms of the running backs yeah. I don't know if they're actually at that number. Not Right now. I still don't think they can go over ninety one. No No. They can't but I don't know if they're really add. Probably not add ninety one and yes and once again. I don't have it in front of me. I have it in my brain so now if if we're are we including fullback in this in this discussion down. No one cares what you're saying. That would be an eighth player. Which would which would be Roosevelt? Are you ready for the seven players? Let's go okay. We have James Connor. Yes we have Benny style junior cares white. We have trey edmunds. We have Franklin Frank. Yes you should've sage infor last. How did you know what I'M GONNA turn it? Eleven we have we we have Darren Hall Bury. You missed one did I just skip over them. The depth chart. I'm sorry I said seven so I must have counted wrong with this. So we'll start over James Connor and he's still junior jalen sables junior trey. Edmunds Ralph Webb. You're welcome Brian and and and they're all. Here's I have a question for Brian. Anthony Davis right now and it it. It has to do with his idol. Which is Frank Web? Is Frank wearing the Jersey number? Or did he have to change denial? Have you checked the last I saw last year? He's worked forty so I don't think you'll have forty. I'm not sure what the night you have to do. Some explaining when you wear your Web Jersey to Heinz field next year. And he's not forty anymore and then you'll respond but he's not even on the team but when I wear my number six hodge honey. Oh there's purchases okay. Let's talk about the running backs for a little bit. Now Dave real quick. I listened to you. I haven't gotten through all of the Cuban yet but I had did listen to the Stack Eke. It seemed to me that cliff Harris is still a punk and you all on the show kind of agreed that running back by committee should be the team's best approach considering the contracts that all those players are currently on meeting their cheap also the fact that the steelers don't have salary cap space bringing in a veteran. Brian Anthony Davis ran the free agent running backs today and I was looking at the list thing. They can't afford any of these guys So that's that's not an option Indiana to draft a Guy. But how often the draft a guy in the second round? That is the Guy Right out of college. Because let's remember Leon. Bell wasn't the guy as a rookie and he was her but he's still wasn't the guy. He wasn't lady on Bell until she doesn't fourteen in my opinion when it comes to what everyone thinks up so dave good and spits them knowledge at us about the running backs and what. You all kind of decipher this week. And we'll get the discussion going all right. Well I I want to answer your question and read also put it in the live chat after I just checked it and that is one. Ralph Webb is currently listening to Your Jersey Smith forty number. So that's that's what he's done now but he's not the only one listed as that which I find interesting so the whole running back by committee approach saying based on based on who you got and as much as the steelers would like to to have one running back that they ride off into the sunset with it hasn't been working it hasn't been working is when it comes to change connor. He hasn't shown the durability and it's not just about protecting James Connor. It's just if you have the stable of running backs it just makes sense. You know if you have read painter. Painter Barn Red. If you've got a number of decent running backs split it up run them because that's what you have now. Some people feel that the steelers should go out and in their top draft. Pick get the best running back out there because we need that one guy that we're going to run the wheels off of I in the article. I put out today running back his believe it or not one of our better depth pieces. You might not like what we have at the top but when you want to talk about what you have across the board. It's one of the best depth pieces that we have for this team. We have holes in a lot of other places that do we really need to go out and rather than take this approach. Get that one guy or should we say maybe that's all we need for two thousand twenty. Personally I don't think I don't know that they'll do it that way. But with the running back that they have I think they are suited to split up. There carries better in two thousand and twenty you. Brian Way your thoughts on just the running backs in general well a lot of hinges on. How healthy is James Connor? But if you want to go by the running back by committee that's I mean you need to be committed to that from the beginning and maybe that might be a thing that you look at at the beginning by saying all right. We're going to have all these guys taking rb one wraps because if something happens that James Connor goes down. Then we're just throwing one of these guys in so you have to have it clearly defined who you want to be there Dave. You're absolutely correct. Their depth is not that bad but everybody wants an rb one they want. I mean we remember the days of Franco Harris and Leon Bell and Jerome Bettis and Willie Parker when there was a defined rb one. So that's what people want but we saw teams like the forty niners and the eagles of teams that were able to rely on that committee in how it work. Houston good committee guys here because Kenneth White could be number three in that committee and he could be your speed Guy They have that guy. I mean San Francisco. Had A guy like that. You have a benny snow. Be More of your bruiser and James Connor. Be Your first look guy but you bring them all in in a rotation and one of those guys does get injured. Then you're you're able to fill those holes a whole lot better but those are your top three running backs. Do you really need to bring somebody in? I think you need to bring people in and other positions. So that's that's probably when Dave says that's a depth that's one of your better depth physicians. He's absolutely correct. Yeah I mean there's like Dave said though I mean it's a deep position compared to other positions i. I'm not crazy about the death. Let me ask you other honor scale from one to ten one being no confidence at all ten being. I have a ridiculous amount of confidence. I'm supreme confidence. What's your confidence level for many South Junior? Going into twenty twenty Dave. Ooh shuttle for Benny Still Junior. I'm I'm going to give him a seven. Why yeah honestly? I liked what I saw. What a out of Benny Snell. I felt that he had more jets than what Lance Williams gave them credit for and to sit in the air chiming in a live chat and I do believe that like every other. Nfl player that especially with the steelers. You're going to see them being more. Nfl condition for their second year in the League. I think that you could see the change in him. I think we saw it in Levy on bell. I think we've seen it in a lot of a lot of different players with the steelers that they committed in that second year With a slightly different body type in order to do the things that they couldn't do the year before and if and if I couldn't get the corner in the past maybe he's closer to being able to get to the edge this year so I actually I have A. I'm more on the most optimistic for SNELL. Out of anybody in the group would be you Brian. Your confidence scale for Benny's now I'd probably go seven as well one thing that he does better than I've seen a steeler running back you know besides lay on bell in a long time as get better as the game gets older so I mean in the fourth quarter when he was running well I mean the. He ran better in the fourth quarter than any other quarter of the season. So that's that reminds me of how to do. I used to see that with your own best. I mean those defenses. We're getting tired in. He's running over you more and I'm not saying many SNELL. Junior is Jerome Bettis by any stretch of the imagination. But what I'm saying is that he he can. He can really run over you. When you're D- Francis getting winded if I'm asking myself this question I'm going to go with five in. That's just my confidence level right now. I haven't seen slower than woodland Said said late. Said said Yeah. And he's the one that dubbed him. Benny no jets The thing is for me. Is that the one aspect of smells game. He his vision is one thing that really kind of strikes me. You didn't prove at the end of the season. I'm sure that he gets more cohesion. With the offense of line. He'll be that will get better and better and better but at the same time he's gotTa improve inland says it all the time. Lateral speed lateral quickness. That's what you need in the national football league because the not always going to be there and you can't just run into the back of your linemen every single time if the holes out there Kenny. Improve absolutely will my confidence go up if I see a little bit better. Benny Snow in two thousand twenty. Yes but as of right now. I'm not so sure it's going to happen. Players dropping that weighed in getting that shape is not always a given you know and so if he struggles in that area or if if he loses the weight and losing some power loses some strength. That's something you have to think about as well so it's GonNa be interesting to see how that is but I'm going to go with the five Dave I was GonNa say just to remind people in case you didn't catch Stat Geek show. I'M GONNA throw out a couple of numbers from it and this is teams. Remember running back someplace year. Generally don't out of the thirty two teams in the NFL. The leading rusher for each team only twelve out of the thirty two. Did they play all sixteen games? Only twelve out of the thirty two teams and out of those twelve. At least three depending on how you classify them at least three of those teams were running back by committee teams but whoever had the most yards out of them or still didn't play in all sixteen games. So it's what happens this out of the top fifteen. There were fifteen. Rushers that Rushworth thousand yards last year. Only seven of them played in every game so less than half out of all out of the forty six running backs rush for four hundred yards or more last year. Only nineteen of them played in every game so less than half bottom line is running. Backs are GonNa are GonNa Miss Time. Espn that's just what happens. It's the more wear and tear position than probably any other position in the NFL. Which is why I ask you all your confidence and Benny Snell. Because in my opinion he would be on deck to use a baseball team. James Connor goes down. Whose on deck here comes Benny Junior. And if you don't have confidence in him that's a problem because I think wall agree that Jalen singles or care with white or not every down backs air situational players that can be used in specific spots in specific formations to maximize matchups. That's the way I view them. Benny smells different breed. I think he's one that could carry the load if he can prove that he's capable so we'll see we will see logo had good well. You're talking about confidence level here and I really want to hear your opinion on this both of you. If Ben Roethlisberger comes back healthy does your confidence in the running game rise. No no maybe a little bit but not much because Ben's not a guy that's gonNA WANNA commit to run he's GonNa WanNa throw the boys want to chuck it. Can I give Dave Answer? Yeah your answer no. It's not on the fence but I think you guys. I think you guys are going to agree with this. My confidence in them running the ball more goes down my confidence in them. Being able to run the ball better goes up. I think they'll thousand and eighteen. Yes the run it more effectively when they do because of the Ben Rothlisberger factor and have the respect of the passing game but because of Ben Rothlisberger. I don't feel that they. I feel that they won't run it as often. That's what I was looking for Dave. That's so jeff I disagree with you Dave. I agree with you all right. Let's Trivia Trivia. Yeah let's do it. I've got Trivia. I look look. Oh come on. That's right we all run. Can we take a break real quick and get a running back jerseys on? I don't have a only ask seven jerseys and to never to everybody you must have a great family member someone that really loves. Jeff? The guy you that data really hates thaddeus thaddeus wanted to know real quick about the staff that I gave about the thousand yard rushers. How many of them were sitting week. Seventeen there's I would say one half because the only one that is for sure that sat week seventeen was Mark Ingram and I do believe even if they were having to win that game because of his calf injury he wouldn't have played anyway so I don't I don't think he was a full out sitting just for rest. I don't because he was barely able to go in that game anyway so other than that. There wasn't any other ones I do. I WANNA do my trivia. I because you guys are GonNa know the answer to this product. 'cause you were looking up other stuff. Okay I'm GONNA say this. We're looking at running backs. In all time steeler history going all the way back to nineteen thirty three but trust me. We're not going back that far. So we're looking at tailbacks halfbacks fullbacks running backs. All those things combined together the steelers have ten of them that have played in a hundred or more games. As a steeler ten players that played running back for the plate in a hundred or more games as a steeler only one player has played as a steeler the running back position in this millennium for one hundred games meaning since the year two thousand. Do you all know what player for the Pittsburgh. Steelers has played in one hundred or more games since the year. Two Thousand and at the running back position that is all. These games are with Pittsburgh every game with Pittsburgh stay. I think I got it. Go ahead. Brian Number thirty five from New Hampshire. Dan Kreider that would be correct. Good for you. That would be technically full back but like I said I group them altogether she through that through that out there. That kind of tipped it. Yeah well really. I would have never got it if you didn't if I didn't do that you and I would have said. It was over the counter thrown back to it so I listen Dave. We can complain about whatever we want when you're throwing out. Well here's Dan Kreider. He played in. Let's see well one hundred thirteen games. I didn't put much into starts. Because it all depends on what formation they started in whether the fullback or even I mean there was games. We're Levy on. Bell was the feature back but he didn't start because they started in five. Why he only had four touchdowns he had two rushing and two receiving and he had more than twice as many receiving yards than rushing yards in his career but the the only person who was anywhere close to that number was someone who was over one hundred games a steeler but didn't have that many games after the two thousand and that was a jerome bettis had eighty three cents two thousand but with the steelers at all he was in second place with one hundred and forty five. All Right Trivia question. Yeah I was a white one question. A whole bunch of knowledge very good. I'M GONNA go next Brian. Nowadays Thunder got a couple of questions. One's a little bit more stats and Info. I found something I was like. Wow I never would have guessed this. Does anyone know that this happened in nineteen forty nine? So if you know this Kudos to you I wanted to look up. The longest run run rushing touchdown in Pittsburgh steelers. History happened in one thousand nine. Forty nine down. You know the player because I never heard of him but I really want to know if you know how long run was. Does anyone WanNa take a guess on the player. Can you say that again? Please forty nine. The longest run rushing touchdown. They should along as rushing touchdown in steelers. History happened in nineteen forty nine. I'd never heard of this player before. And I wanted to know if you all got the could get the actual yardage of the run. You know look this up once a long time ago. I'll make a guest. This guy might be a quarterback. I'm not sure. Was there a guy like Dick Shiner? Something or not Dick Shiner equal pretty sure. There's a new naming no although I did like Leads Williams's Ryan Switzer Highland? That's a long time ago. Even dentist was only five years old I'm I'm GonNa say for distance I'M GONNA say. Eighty nine yards. Gained ninety nine yards the running back bobby gauge in one thousand nine forty nine eighty nine yards. Brian. Anthony Davis take a guess for yardage ninety seven. You're correct read. It said it in the live chat. It's ninety seven yards bobby gauge in one thousand nine hundred forty nine. We all remember the play the play around the world. That's not true. Okay other part of my Real quick steelers Trivia is. I looked up. Who has the most rushing yards in steelers history? We all know that right. Is that Dave? What was that the most rushing yards in steelers history? I'm going with Frank O'hare absolutely with eleven thousand nine hundred fifty and who's in second? Brian Jerem correct with ten thousand. Five hundred seventy one. Which is pretty incredible when you think about how which which also lines up with the number of games played. Franco was one in better switch to K now. Humor is crazy. This is not a trivia. How many I guess I could make it a trivia. I was. I've Franco. Harris fumbled the ball ninety times in his career. He scored ninety one touchdowns and fumbled. At Ninety Times. Drumbeat is twenty eight. That's I don't. I wasn't alive for Franco. Harris time in Pittsburgh. Was He known as a tumbler? You were what you are live for Franken. We weren't cognizant but he won't talk eighty three. When did he go after? The eighty-three season was okay. So you were alive just like I was alive for the immaculate reception do anyways so Zenonas a fumble earlier because ninety fumbles. That's you gotta remember. That's a different era when the defense was was hold onto the football. You're still getting them. Fumbling Franko you know but I don't think he will not stashing Franko. I'm just asking simple question of times. He put them on Arbat. I don't think he was known as a huge filmgoer If we could go back and podcast forty years ago. I'm sure the live chat would be screaming about how we need to get rid of Franco. Because all we does fumble any runs out of bounds. He runs out of bounds. Yep that's all I those two questions ago head Brian. What's Your Chevy before? We called this a show well before I get into my trip. Real question. Chuck knows quarterback in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine per season when one eight. That was like a one thirteen season. They won their first game and they They lost the the last thirteen games. So the winner of that First Game. I believe over the Detroit. Lions the quarterback was one Dick Shiner existence and he was the first quarterback of the chuck. Noll era so there you go. I just look that up now. Let's go back to the sixties again and we have one of the most famous running backs in Pittsburgh steeler history. We've talked about. This guy is a lot but one of the guys that we don't talk about when we talk about yardage gained but he could probably be a hall of Famer for a lot of other things that he did is rocky bleier. Would you agree on that? Probably one of the most fabled non hall of famers in Pittsburgh steelers history so rocky bleier. When he came into the League he was wearing a different number before he went to Vietnam and he changed number. Twenty because of another player that ended up with the Dallas Cowboys Preston Pearson had this number. So he couldn't get his. He cannot get his number twenty six back in having moved twenty. I just told you the answer. Just Jeff correct yeah. I'm picking over for true back any president to has to offer a running gun it. It's yeah and just so you know rocky bleier third most games played running back as dealer. Just so we're clear if you want more laughter. If you want more jovial talk and talk about Lord knows what. Join us for the after party. If you're on youtube right now watching live dot com slash. Pts's steelers radio if you're watching live just hang around in about five minutes you'll get another notification if you're listening on audio check back with spotify tunes wherever you're watching and it will be around one o'clock. Pm and crazy. Chris binges on this Dez Bryant train the whole time. He was a dollar ninety. Nine into the tip terms can you guys see Dez Bryant wine a GPO no. I can't I tell you what I. Here's the thing crazy Chris. If the steelers signed Dez Bryant. You could come on the show and gloat about it. Yeah there you go as your things have happened. Well Hey if you're not gonNA join us for the after party that's fine. We'll see you next week for another episode of the steelers preview. But I hope you'll join us in a few minutes we'll see in about.

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Steelers 2020 Training Camp Recap: Day 2

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Steelers 2020 Training Camp Recap: Day 2

"Today answers matter more than ever before. That's why IBM is helping businesses manage customer questions with Watson Assistant It's conversational AI designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit IBM DOT com. Slash Watson, assistant. Hannah fans. Dak Prescott here WANNA spend Sunday afternoons with your favorite teams and players switch to direct TV and get NFL Sunday ticket included at no extra cost. I'm talking every live out of market games every Sunday no matter where you live. So switch to direct TV to get the twenty twenty NFL Sunday ticket season included at no extra cost call one, eight, hundred DIRECTTV market games only requires truest packer minimum seventy, four, ninety, nine, a month before discount tire and second regional sorts via nine ninety, nine, a month applies twenty four month agreement activation, other fees, terms, and restrictions apply. Pittsburgh steeler fans this is Jeff Hartmann. Welcome back to another training camp recap. That's right. Day Two of padded practice August eighteenth is in the books and it's time to give you that quick recap. This recap is brought to you by behind the steel curtain DOT COM has always wherever you're listening to this podcast. Make sure that you follow subscribe. Does not matter and behind the steel curtain dot com should be your one stop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers. Let's get right into things. Heinz field was the location I said the eighteenth was the date in they were in full pads. Again, let's start off by the players that were off. The did not practice on this day two of what I call real training camp guard Dave decastro offensive tackle, Alejandro Villanueva Joe Haden in. Eric. Ibran did all all did not practice and they were all given a veterans day off by Mike Tomlin a lot of fans hate this at the same time Tomlin has figured out how to kind of navigate those waters. Wide Receiver. James Washington who sat out day one of padded practice was in shorts in caught passes but he did not work in team drill so he is clearly banged up in some way shape or form is working. Back now with that said, the steelers did have to reported injuries during the session on. Tuesday. And that was tight end Dax Raymond who is the newest addition to the tight end room he was hurt on an edge rushing drill they calling it a high ankle sprain or his ankle appeared at twisted according to Tomlin He got up on his own power. He's ever get off the field, but he's being evaluated at the time that Mike Tomlin addressed the media after practice. He did not know the extent of the injury, the other injury, and this is a tough one to swallow was rookie fourth round pick Kevin Dodson. He was He got his knee twisted up. The public relations. Department for the steelers is saying that. It didn't say how it really happened, but he was helped off the practice field at Heinz field with a trainer and Ben Rothlisberger was there to make sure the dividend Tomlin again did confirm that the Raymond and in we're getting further evaluation. So it's not a necessarily a dire situation for either player. But what I will say is that both of these players cannot afford to miss. A lot of time Dotson is considered a future starter but at the same time, he is some people even slated to him and said, he could potentially fill in a garden and let right matt fire will go back to tackle I'm not sure I was in that boat but any mistime is GonNa really hurt his chances so we will have to wait in here and see maybe. Someone Dax Raymond. With an ankle, maybe it bounces back and he's able to get out on the field, but it just is not a good look when the of these injuries it's not serious and as we know more, you'll know more but that's the only injuries of note so far through training camp and that includes padded practices that have taken place. All right. Let's get to some notes that took place down at Heinz Field Ben Rothlisberger Juju Smith Schuster rekindle their rapport connecting multiple times during the team's live periods of work boy. We hope that guy that connection gets rekindled as it was described Mike Tomlin continued to show specific interest in his titans physicality and blocking monitored. Their sled were closely and then was especially vocal during an outside linebacker tight end man on man drill. To me this screams that the steelers are preparing to run more two tight end sets in twenty twenty with vans mcdonagh Eric Brown, but the only thing is. If you're going to have the versatility of two tight end sets. Everyone has to be a block. You just can't have a guy that's going out there and whipping. You think back to the the glory days of the Patriots I'm talking when their offense was just ridiculous. It who they have Gronkowski. On one side. Aaron Hernandez on the other. Clearly, those those players were adept at blocking and pass catching and it seems like that's what the steelers want to do, and that could be really good wrinkle for this offense in twenty twenty, Alex Highsmith Rookie at Charlotte. He was assigned multiple reps on Mondays back on backers drill. He showed well on Tuesday earning lauds from Tomlin and even got some extra teaching from. T. J. Watt and regards his work. If you'RE GONNA learn that's gotta learn from TJ appears to be in midseason form energizes teammates with an especially quick and forceful tackle on Anthony McFarland behind the line scrimmage in an early live session period at this point in time typically only running backs or taken to the ground, but they're still tackling into. T.J Watson looking like he is nat live. Let let me just put it this way. We'll like he hasn't missed a beat 'cause. He was playing lights out the season and he seems like he picked up right where he left off the seven. Period that is the goal line drill the red zone drill seven plays who wins more offense or defense seven shots period is a little different than was the steelers were went horizontal on half the field rather than vertical. The offense recorded four scoring plays from Rothlisberger including faking enough and a quarterback draw. Clearly, they're not gonna hit roth spur situations and then Mason Rudolph, connected on two to three plays with McFarland breaking through on the other this dealers worked on setting the edge with the tight ends under the watchful eye and boisterous voice of Mike Tomlin. And Zach banner offense tackle vying for the right tackle spot. A lot of people are wondering between he and Sukhoi Four. He played all his snaps in the jumbo tight end set dylan's nineteen locked up budget pre on two occasions. The second of which depre- asked for a review banner than went over the one on one lineman drills in stymied Henry Mondo and rookie Carlos. Davis. In the same row, highsmith got around DAX Raymond this before Raymond's injury. TJ Watt and banner engaged in a couple of we'll call them close disagreements quote unquote during practice close disagreements. What does that mean? That means that they got into a scuffle that means that they were possibly shoving each other at means that they were getting heated? I'm not sure who was doing what it does not give that type of daft of information. No one on twitter that was there a you the reporters were saying anything. But T. J. Watt banner got into it, and that's okay. I don't want fans to think that this is something that is concerning. Now these are two guys. Zach banner has a lot on the line TJ wide have thought maybe he went over the line a little bit or maybe he was just frustrated with himself. Tempers, flare it is it is what it is camp. It happens aiding Farland was highly visible again, hitting open holes with authority in finding more running room once he did. Keep an eye out for this stuff. Keep an eye out for this. You're going to hear more from Anthony McFarland that's going to be important rothlisberger and Chase Klay Pool connected a handful of times and individual drills claiborne caught his first pass of the day in the end zone. And Rothlisberger yelled great pass great cats. I mean the to connect it again in a long pass on the left side line in eighteen period wide receiver down Johnson Ryan. Switzer fielded puns in cornerback James Beer also fielded punts. Some standout plays that happened in day to have padded practices, wide receivers, Sade Black Black, mile that black no I'm sorry impression man made an impressive special team stop exciting booth Mike Tomlin in make of his Badger to highlighted that both hail from the same home state of New Jersey, keep an eye out for some of these special teams plays. They can be what makes or breaks a players roster spot. Wide Receiver Chase Klay Pool made a nice twist in catching the back shoulder fade on a passer by Rothlisberger. Rothlisberger hit Klay Pool in the back of the endzone also, but he only got one foot down some these rookie receivers. It takes some time to remember get it two feet down the NFL college anymore. Safety troll Edmons who a lot of people were concerned about a lot of people are wondering if he's going to fill in a lot of people are wondering if. Everything that he's a first round draft pick they just want to see him play like one trail edmonds followed up a really good day on Monday in the passing game with some big hits in live eleven on eleven drills. Edmonds made two big hits on running backs during the second drill of practice. That's good news, and then lastly Bryan Switzer everyone's favored whipping boy hauled in a pretty touchdown pass near the end of practice from offer from ten yards away. So yesterday. A lot of fans were upset that they didn't really get any news. The News, this is the first day of Paddock practice whereas all the news. Well, you know what it kind of came in day to unfortunately some of that news is with injuries and some of it is exciting news whether it's Terrell Edmonds playing well. Say Mel. Making a play on special teams. Chase. Klay Pool and Roth asperger's report seems to be growing rothlisburger. Miss Schuster seem to be getting back into the grind and into the groove they had before both asperger's injury and it just seems like there's a lot of players that are stepping up stepping into their own TJ watts, TJ Wad. But you have that right tackle battle was act banners at banner was, of Note, nothing yet on a core of four does mean that banner has the lead in this race I don't know it's still really early to tell. But every time there's a padded practice for the Pittsburgh steelers. We will have one of these training camp recaps here on behind this curtain dotcoms audio platform period. 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The Homer and the Hater Show: How does a successful year for Big Ben look statistically?

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The Homer and the Hater Show: How does a successful year for Big Ben look statistically?

"Welcome back everybody to a brand new episode of the homer myself excuse me. Brian Anthony, Davis, the homer and I am the hater see I feel so positive and so refreshed today. I almost took on the mantle of the homer, but welcome to another episode of the homer and the hater to my right. We have Brian. Anthony Davis bad. What's happening? You know I've been accused of being a homer, all of my life so it. It just seems it just seems natural, so I guess I'm homer. Two point now and and I'm fine with that as long as I. Am. Not homer Simpson. Then I'd give you a big. Don't because I don't want to look that. I don't WanNa. Be that bald in that big? When I'm always de facto the home or given the fact that I am for Manchester, I am from the north side I grew up probably about five minutes from Heinz field or back in the day, three Rivers Stadium, so I technically am the whole the homer but I have a side I have my depth. The flavor reveals my hater `ISMs. So my hater comes out my northside Manchester Pessimistic Hater ISM comes out it also it before we do. The proper introductions known don is already champion Lance sifting through his favourite Lamar Jackson stats. That's holding up this show. See now. I been called a Raven Fan. I am definitely not a Raven Fan, but I wanNA. Thank everybody on a live chat. Everybody for joining US everybody from chiming in to. To the show, WANNA to give a big shot. Of course to my co host bad also WANNA. Give a shot out to the Oracle of the website and the editor. Day scofield big shot also to bid BRASCO Tony Death Theo Yo to all the fantastic contributors on the website. Make sure you guys are checking out. The website behind is still curtain dot com because that is the foundation of. Of the PODCASTS, a lot of the topics we talk about on the podcast. Come from stories from behind the curtain dot com, so make sure you guys are checking out the website, and if you just check out the website, we want to urge you to check out the podcast because the website should be an extension to the podcast and vice versa. We WanNA. Make sure we get some you. You guys that are just looking at the website. We WanNA corral. Some of you guys and bring you over to the podcast side. What's going on with you? Bats they. How you feeling on this I'm feeling I'm feeling absolutely fantastic and thanks for all the mentions to the website. If you don't mind me adding one more. Michael Back who has joined us on the steelers preview and will be. Joining us a few. Of The podcast I'm going forward every single week. He's. He's doing a great job from up in British, Columbia, so we're beat podcast international now. Mountie A. He's a Mountie at you like that A. Ruin that a that a in there, but before we get into the topic of the program, which is what does a successful year look like for big bend statistically I wanna jump into because it's already hot and popping in the live chat because I got people fired up on my yeah. I said it show on Friday. Make sure you check it out and on that show I, said point blank. Ben Rothlisberger is no longer. The Best quarterback in the AFC north, so I wanNA pose that question to you bad I. Want you to be bad I don't want you. You know I want you to feel frisky bad. When you give your opinion on this question, I posed this question to you. Before we jump into the main topic of the program is who is the best quarterback in the AFC north right now as of. What's today June saddens yes, June seven, twenty twenty. Who is the best quarterback in the AFC north? That is such a tough one for me. Because I have so many I, could I could go right now with so many pros for Ben Rothlisberger and so many pros for Lamar Jackson and you will never accuse me of being a raven lover, but I tell you what I still think. The Ravens Right now are the favorites to win the division, the only thing about Lamar Jackson is. You know. He is so much more versatile. In when you're more versatile versatile than wet Ben Roethlisberger is right now. You're probably going to be. The front runner to be the best quarterback there now, biggie Bronco, who is a Bronco Fan, and he does Bronco podcast as well. He comes on our show, and he's very respectful of steeler nation. Will we do the same for him? He saying Baker Mayfield now. Baker Mayfield with bake- Baker Mayfield might be. Maybe one of the pure passers of the three but success I mean he's had no success, and he's floundered with a lot of pieces of the puzzle. There Ben Rothlisberger has scoreboard. He has history so right now you can still you can have an argument that that is Ben Rothlisberger, but he doesn't have league MVP and he does. He is in those versatile, so you can make an argument for Lamar. Jackson if I'm going to say right now. I'm probably GONNA put my homer hat and still say Ben. Rothlisberger, but he's there's major footsteps. So. And not not to Belabor the point. So you're still saying that Ben Rothlisberger. And I don't know if you see the from Alfred Food Asaki if you could pull that up bad. so with Ben Rothlisberger coming off of injury. Is still better than the reigning MVP in Lamar Jackson. That that that that's a huge statement. Yeah you and see the about that, too. Is the fact that if we're talking best athlete? Yes. Ben Rothlisberger is not. It's Lamar Jackson, but if we're talking about still with history and. Career Ben. Rothlisberger so far has had the better career now going forward, but I'm not answering the question correctly, though so I'm not being fair, but going and I'm being wishy washy, but going forward. If. If. He goes farther in the playoffs. and. He goes farther in the playoffs. Any wins a ring then he's going to surpass, but it's hard to take two thousand nineteen Lamar Jackson and compare it to six quarters of two thousand nineteen Ben Rothlisberger. That's fair I. Mean that's that's fair. I mean with. Did I think you have to make anecdotal? I mean right now. Let me, let me ask you this way. How many quarterbacks would you take currently in the national? Football League to start over Ben Rothlisberger. What quarterbacks would you take? You told me you're going to put me on the spot. I love it. Of course, we're take. We're taking Patty mahomes right away because. and. You and I talking before the show started well. He is not only the He is the best in the NFL right now the hand new. He's the new prototype. What A QUARTERBACK US! Yes, and not only that if you ask me, who a better quarterback is I'm gonNA say bar none. Paddock Padma homes is not only the best in league. He's better than Ben Rothlisberger. At that Point Russell Wilson is another guy that. I'm definitely taking ahead of them. Am I taking tannehill now. Am I taking. Am I taking? cuyler Murray not yet. Am I going to go ahead and And Take Tom Brady and a half to. I definitely have to at this point. Rogers Aaron Rodgers I I'm GONNA have to take Aaron Rodgers at this point because you know when you look at all the factors in here. What makes it a really tough? Really tough to go ahead and put guys up against each other. They're all at different points in their career. Yes, so I mean, but that's what's so great about our podcasts. Our articles in everything being a fan gives you an opportunity to argue and argue respectively and respect fully as well about. About what's going on and everybody I like our podcast Lance to sports bar. You're rundown, right you're. You're sharing a beverage. And you're enjoying life together, and you have different opinions, because my phantom is hey, I'll take a ravens fan and a bengals fan and a Patriots Fan Simone Down next to me and I'm going to respect them as people and have a lot of fun with them, but guess what at the end of the day I'm GonNa Argue, my team, the best way possible without without comedy it's. Well well well, batch leader. You know I'm going to recess. The you know I'm going to respectfully disagree because I'm definitely not going to respect a Mongols Fan I. Mean They? Just you know they just don't get any respect at all. They are the most ill informed fans. I will say that, but. Oh, inform in you know. I love. I love the ESCA loser I when they're when it's late in the third quarter in their filing out during a steeler game, they're in a Paul Brown Stadium I. I love to Rip One bengals fans. But, you gotTA understand 'em. Also smack DAB in the middle of Ravens. Ravens country and I'M A. I'm still doing the best. I can as far as as. Being, the cool steeler fan among them, and that's what I do you know when it comes to clown fans in bungles fans, they don't get any respect, but a lot of respect to ravens fans regardless of what we say about weighing Harbaugh, they win. They win football games and they. They are a very well structured organization. They draft well. They coach well. They play well. They're really good football team. They compete every year, and they are definitely rivals of the steelers, but the CASSIA later bungles in Cleveland clowns. Those guys are terrible, but let me ask before we get into the main topic of the show the last day, so you gave Patrick Mahomes, you say Russell Wilson? You said Tom Brady though that was your shortlist Rogers Yeah. Rogers, your shortlist of guys that you would start over Ben Rothlisberger so I posed the question. To my brother. What quarterbacks right now would you take over Lamar? Jackson? And I asked that question kind to trying to see if. You would put Ben Rothlisberger over Lamar. Jackson would be someone that you would take over Lamar Jackson currently on June seventh twenty twenty. You see I'm trying to. I need. To Change Your opinion yeah. I'm trying to. Not subtly pull you over into that hater world, so it could be the hater the hater show. You know what I am. I Got Sean Langford called me out and. I love. This and I'm going to bring this up on the board here. bad. Stop beating around the. Bush just admitted. You'll take Lamar over Ben. I'm sitting in home. Would right now period look I think? Here's the thing. I think ben is a better passer than Lamar. Jackson. As far as his completions last year, Mark. Andrews in the short stuff. Bailed him out now. He had some long ball. I'm not saying that he can't throw a long while because he can, but I still think ben is the better passer statistically. Last two years you're UUH. You're seeing so much more electricity statistically from Lamar Jackson. I. Am still taking Ben Rothlisberger now. I'd like you to ask me this question on December thirtieth of this year. Right after right after the last game, the last game of the regular season, I might be saying something different and. Thing that you know about me. Lance and everybody at bt Se in beat. Ese knows about me. Is that I am accountable I will tell you every time I'm wrong. I'll go back and say okay. I was wrong about that. But I I'm still I'm still. I'm still taking better office taking in. Benjamin Todd. You. Taking be bt. Bt Are Benjamin Todd. Rothlisberger the US station. It comes at three thirty and take super bowl, so let's pivot into the main topic of this show. What does a successful year? Look like Forbidden Rothlisberger statistically now when we were talking about the show and coming up with the topic for this show, you know. I posed the scenario to you for you to answer a variety of different ways, you could pick a comp year. You could take particular statistics. However, you WanNa define what it looks like bad. What do you think a successful year statistically looks like it looks like for Ben. Rothlisberger and that can conclude win. That can include wins and losses. Whatever what is what do the stats look like for you? And what stats are most important for you as you define? What is a successful statistical season for? Benjamin Todd. So here's the thing and I'm going to take some for this and I know. I am because I. Don't have a problem this year with Ben Roethlisberger being a gay manager, he does not have to be the dreaded gay manager, but I have no problem with him. Spreading around seeing who's open but I want the winds, and if I look at I'm going to look at a few seasons here but if If I look at his two thousand five season was his second year in the League bottom line. They won a super bowl. He was not good at all. And that super boy no, he was nine for twenty-three in that Super Bowl, but he still got them to where they needed to be for him to plunge in the end zone for them to win that he did enough to win that game as well. Lot will say that they won that game in spite of them, but now I mean they still needed him there as well, but he was nine three that season, and as far as his. He only threw for two thousand, three hundred eighty five yards now remember he was out for games that season. But. As far as touchdown seventeen, he had nine interceptions. So really I need him to double up basically, and that's not quite doubling up, but. Really need to do. For this to be a successful Pittsburgh steelers season is to throw less interceptions. He doesn't have to throw for five thousand yards now. I really want more than two thousand, three, hundred, eighty, five, so I'm GonNa. Be Looking at more at what what I thought was one of his more fantastic seasons. And I'm going to go heaven. Look two thousand fourteen. And two thousand fourteen. If you look at that, he averaged three hundred nine point five yards a game. And also in that season. I mean. He was hurt for a little bit of that season, but also he he threw for forty eight hundred yards, so that kind of goes against what I was saying, but in an eleven and five season. And not throwing a lot of picks. That's kind of what's going to work for this dealer for the steeler team to be successful this year. Go to the playoffs Lance. Let's point out. I, WANNA. Take your two, thousand, five and two thousand fourteen, because when I did my show on Friday the yeah, I said it been rothlisberger. No longer the best quarterback in the AFC north. Make sure you check out that program I know you guys know I'm a hater, so go check it out. It'll just support. My hated him as you guys would like to say. We own it to me and Dave Sturm is that. Twenty fourteen was his best season. That overall, statistically twenty four team was his best season. Speak to this bad. You pointed out two, thousand, five and twenty fourteen in twenty in two thousand five his yards per attempt, meaning yards gained per pass. Attempt was the highest in his career at eight point nine. His adjusted yards game per pass attempt at eight point seven. Was the highest in his career in his yards per pass completion of fourteen point sue. Were the highest. In his career. Those are outstanding numbers. His Td percentage, which was percentage of touchdowns thrown when attempting a pass, was also the highest of his career six point three. So two thousand five was definitely the definition of the year where he got a ton out of less. Is that what you mean by saying? He's by game managing because gay managing is a bad word like Santa person has his tail exactly so yeah, that's what I'm looking at. You don't basically if I'M GONNA. Surmise what what I'm saying and wrap it. All up doesn't have to do everything. He just has to do almost everything, right? And that's it. You don't have to be a five thousand yard passer. To. To win it all you just don't and we've seen that over the years when it comes down to getting into the big game and winning the whole thing you don't have to be the best quarterback in the league. You've got to be the smartest quarterback in the league. You've got to be inefficient quarterback and one of the more efficient quarterbacks in the league, so the reason I picked two thousand five I, did not and I'm going to be honest with you. Lands the numbers that you brought up being career highs. Was Not even in my equation, and when you said I'm starting to smell like wow, I didn't even know that. When I was picking that I was picking the fact that one they want to ring and to. He just did not have to do it. All just had to do it right. You know when me Jeff. Doing this show we came up. We coined a pretty funny Hashtag Abou Ben Rothlisberger Hashtag adding and get my arm fixed hand handball ball loss. Right, so how do you think? Because I. Think Two thousand five is an interesting pick I think it speaks to. With this defense, the mindset that he needs to play with where he needs to be like his idol, seven and support, and not necessarily be the guy that's wholly responsible for every win every week. How do you think? How do you think he adjusts to that? And Statistically? If you can throw out, let's look at completion. Percentage less look at touchdown passes yards Pick another standing your mind that you you wouldn't want to say. Give me some numbers around that you know what does that look like you know. Let's take out wins and losses. Because we all know you could care. If you throw for twenty five yards, you go sixteen and Oh, you had a fantastic season. In my opinion, but what does it look like? In terms of completion percentage maybe yards, passing touchdown passes interceptions, Kinda. What does that look like within the framework of? Being this gay manager in really being oil that supports the machine instead of being the machine needs the oil. I'm going to say number of interceptions 'cause originally I was going to say interception percentage, but if you look at one of his lower interception, percent of jeers was two thousand eighteen, and we talk about how glaring though sixteen interceptions were that year and those sixteen interceptions killed him at the wrong time right, but they still ended up with a nine six and one season, and that's not going to be good enough this year, but when you look at it, throwing those interceptions is a problem if he can get down to I, mean. But, if you look at it, also, he had thirty four touchdown passes that year for an sixteen interceptions, so that's a differential in on the plus side, but it's still not good enough because those interceptions killed. That won a game. And you, we talk about the turnover streak that we kept on talking about that I. Don't know what to the ended up in twenty three games lance, but it's. Games why I'd many games I don't even want to think about it. It's more than two seasons. It's like a season and a half around there. So if he cuts down on interceptions this year. If he greatly if he cuts down on them quite a bit and throws less touchdown passes. They can still have a great season because I love your Hashtag. I didn't have my elbow fixed to UH. Handle the hand the ball off, but guess what if he if he dumps the ball off on a screen? And if he had a Willie Parker this year or somebody that can help him out in the backfield. And help them out. move the chains that way. And he's not. and He. He doesn't have to go crazy, but he has to just be effective. That is going to give them more wins than going for five thousand, and because with the more yards you throw the more attempts you have, the more interceptions that are going to come. Because when you're gunslinger and I, you know what Brett Farve. We but Brett Farve we've talked about other guys. That are the ultimate gunslingers. Ben Roethlisberger is a gunslinger right now. Would you agree that you could give him the gunslinger title? Oh absolutely I mean he said it. He said in multiple interviews that you know that he's the gunslinger. Before we continue, and we get back to the program WanNa urge you guys. They hit the like button. If you're listening to the program, hit the like button also. We have the super chat feature. If you WANNA, get your question to the top of the queue, but made sure you sports. Sports. Program hit us with a like, but to your point that absolutely he's the gunslinger. He says he's the gunslinger and again. Hashtag. I didn't get my arm fixed. I didn't get my elbow fixed. Hand the ball off. Snowman in the live chat, says forty touchdown passes to ten interceptions. What does it give me? A hard number on touchdown passes to interceptions. What's that ratio? What's that look like? If you were to say to Ben, came back and statistically had a successful season, is it three to one is a two and a half to one? Is it four to one? is a ridiculous ridiculous Patrick mahomes year when he had fifty touchdown passes to allow twelve interceptions. Who are it's four and a half the one? What does it look like Gimme? Number of touchdown passes and interceptions in twenty twenty. I'll say three and a half to one and I like how we're both Snowman Joel or saying forty and ten. I think he could do it with thirty five and ten so anywhere between thirty five and forty touchdowns, but if you could keep that number at ten or under as far as interceptions like we said when you're a gunslinger, they're gonNA come. You're going to throw interceptions, but If you can keep it about three three and a half or higher than you're GonNa have a good year, but as far as yardage. He doesn't have to have over forty thousand over four thousand. So. If you get a chance to look Dave scofield comet pop up the oracles comment I wanna see if you agree with these numbers, because he saying thirty one TD's twelve interceptions is his prediction for twenty twenty I. Think Two touchdowns. That's probably about right Forbidden Rothlisburger. I think been RAF was burgers. Touchdown passes. His high is thirty four. That's about right I mean his high and intercepts, and wow. It's twenty three I don't know that that that seems about right it would be interesting to see if he was at thirty one in twelve, how many yards he would have passed four, but but give me your thoughts on those numbers at the Oracle throughout you think. Would you agree with those numbers? I know you said thirty, five and ten. Thirty one in twelve. Is that too far off, or is that right now? Park as well? That's still going to get it done because you're going to have a margin of error and Ben's not coming back perfect. And that's the thing. He doesn't have to come back perfect. He just has to come back in. My overusing. But he just needs to come back and be right, but what? The steeler management has done to help him. They have given him so many opportunities to be right. Because if you have a healthy. Eric Hebron Anna Vance McDonald and I. don't Care What anybody says about Vance McDonald. He catches balls from Ben. Rothlisberger Eric Hebron will catch balls from Ben Rothlisberger. So if you have those guys they don't have to. be twenty yards down the field. They need to be six or seven yards down the field and rumble for a few more. That's what the tight end does. They're going to bail him out quite a bit. Then you're going to have the opportunity for Juju James Washington Chase play pool, DJ, eighteen to go ahead and. Run around like crazy and go back with what drives you crazy. You know I, love you. Man Ryan. Switzer could help him out to. That team it's a third, and if it's a third into and Switzer gets three and gets blasted. That's fine. They moved the chains so of Ben uses. Everything in his utility belt. He could be Batman and not have to be Superman. It will definitely not be Ryan Switzer powder pellets. He will not use those things in his you. Tilleke belt. I'm telling you I. In my dream. My dream is the have a guy like Switzer. Catch a touchdown pass in the playoffs or do something huge in the playoffs just for everybody to say bad. You actually thought about this in and we're right that he doesn't have that. He doesn't even have to have great statistics if he could be Mr Right now and be the guy that Ben could rely on to get a key first down then he's helping your team that live third man on the roster. Help your team. I hope I eat that, kroger because. If I eat that code means the steelers will have been very successful this year in possibly we'll be celebrating seventh championship, but I. Think Alfred Food Asaki in the live chat brought up a very good point. Let's kind of flip it bad in terms of stats and one, a successful year looks like. How many sacks I think the amount in Alfred, says I think the amount of sacks and qb hits he takes are very import-. How many Saxwood they give up this year. So, this is really interesting Ben Was sacked twenty four times. In. Two thousand eighteen. And, that was actually a high number. Four year span, because if we go back to fifteen, he was twenty seventeen when he won in twenty four. Then you look at two, thousand, fourteen, thirty three. Then forty two, the year before thirty, forty, thirty to fifty, starting at six, forty, seven and forty six, so he was getting cracked. He is getting cracked less and over the last few years now if you talk about sex. And we talk about a deteriorating offensive line that some people want to call it, but. I. Honestly say that I think the offensive line is better when Ben's there as well. Because they're a little more in sync every. Two thousand eighteen was an aberration I think he gets hit probably in sacked in the twenties, but not in the High Twenty S. Lower than twenty five times, and he could sustain that unless it is. The million dollar hit that no one's getting up from. So we're starting to create this. Picture here, so I'm GonNa just say that you agree. Absolutely with the Oracle Days Scofield, so we're going to go with thirty one touchdowns twelve interceptions. Give me the yards. and the completion percentage. Completion percentage does not mean much to me. As long as it's in the sixties. You know it's got to be in the sixties so. You know you look completion percentages as I want him to be. A love from to be sixty seven, but typically ban is more sixty, three, sixty, four I mean he's had as high of. Sixty eight. But you know what he does not really. As long as he's in the fifties. That's all that matters for him. That's GonNa work now. Sixty one! That's on the lower end, but you got to think about it. He went to the Super Bowl. With a sixty one point seven in two thousand ten, he went to the Super Bowl with a sixty two point seven in two, thousand, five and one of his worst statistical years was a twelve and four year, and a two thousand eight, in that two thousand, eight Super Bowl, and he was fifty nine point nine, so that lends the Point Lens to my point that completion percentage doesn't matter for him. When he took a team to a superbowl, he had less of a completion percentage. So I'm GonNa go going to drop out on them say. Let's have mid sixties on the okay so. I think you were leading to so completion percentage anywhere between sixty to sixty five percent. Yeah anything. Good, so we got completion percentage between sixty and sixty five percent. We got thirty. One touchdown passes twelve interceptions. How many yards you think he's throwing for. Let's go with anywhere between twenty, nine, hundred and thirty five hundred. Interesting twenty nine, hundred's pretty low in the Manga gain. Low in the modern game, But that also means that you're running games working. Okay so because you know if you're throwing for twenty nine hundred yards I would say. In, twenty eighteen, Ben through for five, thousand, one, hundred twenty nine yards I'm a guest. Their running game through in probably another twelve hundred, because it was super low in two thousand eighteen, so I'm going to guess in two thousand eighteen as an offense. They probably had about sixty two hundred yards I know the Oracle was listened to the program I know yes those numbers in his head. He's GonNa say he's GonNa. Do his rainman and go six, thousand, two hundred. I know he's going to do. Is rain man bring out the yards, but I'm against. The steelers had around sixty two hundred yards. If, he only throws for three thousand. They gotta get those yard somewhere else so yeah. I three thousand is really low I. Don't know What about? Forty two hundred. How does that sort of forty two hundred will be great. But I think if he has that many that the running game might be suffering a little bit more, but this is a lot different than the years. When he took teams to super bowls, but when he took teams to Super Bowls Lance. Well, let's take out two thousand five because that was a really low year. And that was a different time, and he had Willie Parker there, but in two thousand eight. He had thirty three zero one. And two thousand and ten, he had thirty two hundred and took teams to super bowls. And So that's that's not too bad. I just don't I just kind of think that this is a year that the running game has got to get going to help him. And, if the running game gets going, he can do less. But the winds won't suffer and that's the bottom line to. Out Everyone's saying like thirty eight Babe. Scofield I love thirty nine to four forty, one hundred. I love it. But do that, is he? GonNa play a full Full fifteen game slate and the reason I say fifteen games late is because the goal is that he's not playing week seventeen against Cleveland he's starting fifteen games. That's what you're hoping. Out of right, right, uh-huh so. Not Not to speak over you but as Dave give these. These these these levels these these highs and lows on these confidence intervals intervals of stats, as I'm looking at his career. Twenty thirteen starts to look like a year. That I think would be successful. Forbid Rothlisberger in that year. He ever he, he started sixteen games played sixteen games. He had a completion percentage of sixty four point. Su. He Hu for forty, two hundred sixty one yards. He threw for twenty eight touchdowns fourteen interceptions. and his yard for a tent was seven point three. Average yards per cent, seven point to his yard for completion was eleven. Point four is quarterback rating was ninety two. The, numbers that stand out to me in that year. I think which are most important is that we didn't? We didn't talk. About is for successful season for him statistically. How many games does he start? How many how many games does Ben Rothlisberger Start hearing your opinion? Thirteen out of fifteen. For a successful season. But. Can I go back real. Quick I when I do I, answer that question, but going back I. Don't think two thousand thirteen. Statistically was a good season form. I think it was, but it wasn't a good season when the team goes eight innate and misses the playoffs. Yes, yes, so I don't want I. I would I would take less numbers and more wins and he could do it with more wins. So. Let's let's take a look at. The stats in the years with the best quarterback records. If we you know wins being the most important stat. Give me the year that you would take so the most quarterback record in terms of quarterback record, the most wins of course are two thousand four. They went thirteen. No, he threw for seventeen touchdowns eleven interceptions in that year twenty seventeen. They were twelve in three. Twenty eight touchdowns, fourteen interceptions, two, thousand, eight, twelve and four. do for seventeen touchdowns fifteen interceptions while that that was interesting, interesting thing about that years offensively the year they won the Super Bowl that year they were absolutely terrible offensively, which was very interesting. Ironically, their offense was not very good that year twenty eleven ago, Eleven and four twenty sixteen, ten in four twenty fourteen eleven and five, so in the years that they had and twenty, seven, two, thousand, seven at ten wins, so you have two thousand, seven fourteen sixteen eleven, twelve, seventeen and four, those are the years where the steelers had double digit wins in his starts. Let look at. I don't know if you'll be as good as two thousand fourteen, two, thousand, fourteen was his stellar year. We can I. Think we would all be very happy with a Ben Rothlisberger, like performance of two thousand sixteen in two thousand seventeen, because you just mentioned ten and four and twelve and three respectively those years. That's pretty darn good, and that's of course that's. Getting Guy, getting to the championship game in sixteen and Seventeen, you only end I. Mean you lose in the in the first round? But that was a that was a year. You didn't have a whole heck of a lot of defense especially towards the end of that year after Shazia went down as well, but if you look at touchdowns that year, twenty, nine and twenty, eight, respectively going from sixteen to Seventeen interceptions, thirteen and fourteen respectively, so they were almost identical years as far as touchdowns. Two interceptions, but in the yardage yardage was between thirty, eight, nineteen and forty fifty one so. When Dave Scofield saying? Between Thirty, eight and forty one hundred. That's exactly those are the two seasons. If you can get a sixteen seventeen like Ben Rothlisberger year, you're gonNA. Go very far this year because the defense is better. Yes yes. I. Think those are Good Years I think twenty, sixteen, twenty, seventeen or good years because. We're. He is at in my opinion as a quarterback I. Don't think you will see his attempts lower than. About four hundred and seventy-five attempts, he's going to throw the ball. Four hundred, seventy, five four hundred fifty times more at least this year. He's not throwing it in the to ninety five to sixty eight. Those days are over I mean he's had over four hundred attempts every year in his career, except for as I'm looking at this except for one year after two thousand five. He is going to throw the football. I mean that's what he's getting paid for so I think those are probably the best cop years. If you WanNa see what a successful Ben Rothlisberger return looks like statistically because I think the most important thing that you said that is the stats have to support winning. It has the support winning and I. Think with this defense. Less is more and I actually think the biggest Stat that we've talked about in terms of successful return for Ben. Rothlisberger is interceptions in game started I. Can he start healthy and Kenny? Not Turn football over if he doesn't turn football over I think the steelers are gonNA be in a ton of games with this defense I mean. He asked to play really efficient in the red zone. He asked to stay healthy and he can't turn the. The football over if he turns the football over, it really goes against You know all the benefits and all the things that this defense can provide in terms of support system to winning so I. Think we've got a good job. I hope of identifying you know what those years look like I. Think two thousand sixteen seventeen is about right because just just in the modern game. You're going to throw the ball a lot I mean you. You're just absolutely going to throw the ball a lot, and you should throw the ball a lot because I mean. I think passing games. You know that's how you win championships. That's how you play effective offense now in the national football league is by having efficient passing games, you win with the passing game and so You know I think that's what they're going to do in. That's what they're gonNA. Lean on in at and I. Think those years are solid years in terms of looking at statistical cops. That would suggest that he came back successfully. Is there anything else you want to add in terms of a stat that you think we've missed that? Wit Signify Ben Rothlisberger coming back and being Ben Rothlisberger. I'm GonNa just going to bring up to comments. On here and I back them up in backs up. Kind of what you're saying is well first of all is the Oracle. How has it been since Ben had a d like this along with him? Now along with that, I'm going to bring up Ezra and the reason I'm bringing up Ezra's comment of I hope not I need to take a page at of Manning's book when he went to Denver throw less. If you look at the two thousand fifteen Denver Broncos. That was the no fly zone defense. That was a really great defense. and. The you had an aging. Future Hall of fame quarterback. The was able to have the benefit of running game and throw the ball less. And he was still able to. He made it happen, and he won the Super Bowl that year, but he was able to. He was able to do that S, but be more efficient, and that backs everything up. If I ask you this lance about you and your personal life, were you and your work life as years go by, you have a task to do. You probably move slower like me if If I have to mow the lawn or do something five a chore at home. I move slower probably, but I'm better at it now. Because I could work smarter and more efficiently. Could you see that in your own life whether it's work being more efficient at work because you know how to navigate it so much better, and you know what works and what doesn't or at home with the chore. No I. Have No self awareness I do stuff like a dumb kid. That's twenty two years of age, and so because I do things like that. I hurt myself continuously, and my body stays in a bad state. No, no, you're right. You're right, I do I. I think I've learned how to eliminate superfluous in get to. The essential tasks needed to complete. The task more efficiently, but we're talking about Ben Rothlisberger. We're talking about Hashtag I didn't get my elbow fixed to hand the ball off. I mean we're talking in Rothlisberger. So? Had you. There's been rothlisberger show that level of maturity in his football game I mean he's been out for a while I mean bid. HAS WE'VE I? Don't know if it's true or not. I know I've called been stat chaser at times like where's bit Benz Plan for Ben? Is Ben Mature enough to take that step back and be like seven his idol, seven John, elway and being efficient guy, and be efficient like Peyton, manning with that type of defense NBA, compliment, not the reason for. If he. Has that level of maturity to get there and I hope he does I would assume that he should at this point, and he looks John Elway is career and realizes that when he. Got Down to the end I. Mean elway still to throw the ball a lot, but his his numbers were down. He wasn't chasing stats. He was chasing Lombardi's if you could get ben Rothlisberger to chase a Lombardi. This is. And I love it, but if he chases a Lombardi and not stats. He's GonNa Win I think he can do it and you know you guys are like Man Lance. is saying something positive about Ben Rothlisberger? What is the world coming to? I think he I think he will change his game, but I don't think it will be like. Elway them leaning on the running game. I think they're going to lean on passing the ball differently. I don't think it's GonNa. Be Aggressive field shots. You know seven eight nine routes where they're aggressively pumping the ball down the football field in east, taking chances with the football. I think he's going to allow that. Young wide receiver core in knows tied in to make plays with him so I think the yards per attempt will be lower. But the yards per completion will be higher. I, think you know and so I think you're GONNA to get more of a Yak offense, then an offense that has yes lack, and where the yards look similar, but there's not a lot of yards after the catch it's it's where the ball is not traveling as far in the air for pass attempt I. Think is going to be more of A. A shorter passing game where they're going to matriculate the trains a little bit more slowly, but it's going to be more of yet. I think they're going to pass the ball in a way. That supports the defense so I think they're going to skin masks. Skip schematically. Move Him in that direction while still allowing him to hash tag I didn't get my. Fixed to hand the ball off where you can get the best of both worlds, you can have thirty five plus attempts, but the attempts are a lot more You'll be getting a lot of completions, high completion percentage a lot of yards after the catch where you don't have to put on the Cape, you just Kinda, you can kinda put on the slippers and step out on the field, and in be old man, Ben and support disdain and apply the grace, but not beat a engine. Remember Hashtag Batman Hashtag Not Superman. Yes, yes, in Hashtag, Ryan Switzer, but before we get out of the program I wanted to just jump into AH rodrick Adele statement. I don't want to read the statement I think. Many of us have read the statement and we'll. We are familiar with Roger Goodell statement into in terms of the whole issue in everything. That's going on with George Floyd. What was your thought on Roger Goodell statement, and how you think that will manifest itself because I think there is an impending. Impending confrontation coming in the national football, League based on no statements and the the ad that players put out a Patrick mahomes and other players put out in terms of their support for George Floyd and their support for the end of police brutality, and so on and so forth I think there's an impending fight between the administration and the National Football League. How do you think this is all GonNa? Look in? What are your thoughts on the statement in everything in general about the statement and what it will look like? If you were going to make a statement like that, you better make it accountable in you better back up and you and I have talked about this and this is. This is an issue that is just not going to be changed easily, and there's no way it can be changed easily, but if he's truly going to understand. The his entire player base all his everybody that makes him successful than he's going have to realize what affects them in. This affects them because a player walking down the street that is African American is going to walk down the street differently as Caucasian, and the reason being is we are, they are still being viewed differently, and the whole cloud of racism still exists. It happens I was in a situation at a assigning where I was helping out backstage for player back in two thousand six that showed up late in his agents, said Yeah. I'm sorry. He was late he was arrested for Dwi. And? He was a twenty three year old player, and and a very good player for the steelers and he was late and I said what's DWP. 'cause I didn't think that way lance and he told me driving while black, and I thought about it then. I realized okay. He was in a nice car and he wasn't speeding, but he was put over and his. His agent was a white man, but he was explaining to me and I was like okay. I understand so for you and me. We walked down the street differently, and we need as a member of not the Caucasian race, but as a member of the human race I wanted to be where we could walk, walk around no matter who we are without that cloud, and so if a player needs to express himself at this point, he needs to be backed up by the League who sang. They're going to back it up and if it's done peacefully. That's the way it needs to be done so the we are not going to hash out a solution here, and as a part of bt SC one of our things is to jump into that fantasy world and get relief from it. A relief from the fact that the the outside world and just talk about football, but the real world seeps into our our fantasy world in going the happen and we. Got To realize that the players that each and every week or dealing with life differently than some of us are, and so that's something that has to be figured out, and it could be done, but it's GonNa take a lot of changing in thinking if Roger Goodell's going to change the way that he thinks. And is going to support that more. It can only help. That's what I got on that. It's GonNa be interesting, I think. It the statement was interesting to me because. You know like I said to you off air. He can just I mean he should just apologize for Cop Tha Colin Kaepernick essentially. He created an environment. That made it impossible for Colin Kaepernick to be employed. You know of course Colin Kaepernick sued the League they they settled that and that's probably why he did not say. Anything specifically or say Colin capture nickname, but it's like the example I gave to you like if you've cheated on your wife. You can't apologize about Info infidelity as a concept in not apologize to your wife so. But the interesting thing will be because I mean. The current administration likes to fight. I mean that's the flavor and this style, so the administration is going to apply pressure to Roger. Goodell Anna National. Football League when the season starts, if players Neil and so. You know I'm just you know. I'm I'm skeptical of Roger Goodell it's it's hard to pit it one eighty, three sixty, but I'll give Roger Goodell the national football league I guess the benefit of the doubt. We'll see what will happen in the fall. the National Football League has enough issues to deal with managing the fall namely. Are they going to have fans in the stands? Along with this issue, so it's GonNa be interesting because the administration is going to apply pressure. But I think right now where the country is leaning at least in this moment, and particularly with drew brees is tweet towards the administration, and towards the president and his response to the president's tweets of in support of him. In a quarterback's lead the way you know, quarterbacks lead the way of quarterbacks. Apply the pressure to the League. The league will do it, so it's GonNa be interesting to see it I. Foresee that this is GonNa be a topic that's going to be discussed throughout the season, but it'll be weird. If you have players kneeling and no fans in the stands in that combination so wearing a strange new world with the National Football League, and where we're at as a country, so it's going to be interesting to see you know like I told you that I think the NFL Foltz. I I think that the administration applies enough pressure the NFL will, because the NFL is is folded on other on issues like this in the past, but we'll see, but before we get out of here bad. You got anything you want Let. The listeners know about things coming up on the website and or shows next week. Well First, let me thank a snowman. Love the new show. Take care of yourself Also I believe Donald Nolan might have said longtime ago in the live chat. That bad is a classic homer, and I'm proud of that as well to Johnstown, born Yinzer. By by birth, so I'm proud of that too but I'll try to keep it real, but but for this show I'm really proud next to be next to the heater and and I. I I don't care whether you're a hater. We love the steelers and we all cheer. Cheer in different ways, but we all have the same ultimate goal, so that's the best thing coming up so. So many great things coming up human eight tomorrow with Tony. That on Tuesday. The Stat geeks will get back added on Wednesday. I believe Lance that you're going to be welcoming. Dave Scofield on the show on Wednesday for the standard is the standard on the flagship than Thursday. It's GonNa. 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Steelers Burning Question: Who has more pressure in 2019? Big Ben or Mike Tomlin?

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Steelers Burning Question: Who has more pressure in 2019? Big Ben or Mike Tomlin?

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS foretaste Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Steeler fans. What is going on? This is Jeff Hartmann editor of behind the curtain dot com here with you for another episode of the behind the steel curtain dot com podcast Steelers burning question. Yes. This is a show that I do by myself in case, you're a first time listener, or maybe you're a first time viewer. 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And I like to think that I come off as being pretty smooth on the microphone, not so much my voice, but the fact that I can I speak. Well, and I don't stutter. I don't stumble over my words, I think that I can string together thoughts correctly. The funny thing is I never really have anything planned. I don't write anything down. I just kind of fly off the seat of my pants. This is live. If those who don't know that that this is a livestream. So if I mess up your hearing it whether it's an audio platform or for watching on YouTube. It's this is it, you know, and but tonight for this burning question. I got I got a little spunk. I don't know. What it was? I got a little spunk. And hey, I went and I said I'm going to get prepared. I'm going to be prepared for this. Because to me, this is a very very difficult burning question. So for me, I don't I'm prepared you if there's on YouTube. I've got my notebook. Okay. I'm prepared. I just don't have the answer to the question yet. So I'm gonna once you ought to listen, and I want you all to think about it. And then I want you to answer the question. Please. Join the live chat right now. Try not to answer before you hear me out. And really think about it. We all have this knee-jerk reactions to questions about the Pittsburgh Steelers. But absolutely try to avoid that. Okay. So here's the question. If you looked at the I guess you'd call it the title of this episode for YouTube. It is the burning question who has more pressure on them in two thousand nineteen Ben Rothlisberger or Mike Tomlin? I'll say that again who has more pressure on them in two thousand nineteen. Mike Tomlin head coach of the Steelers. Or Ben Rothlisberger said it's again, I think a lot of people here this question and this happens every single week. I have people say this. They know the answer right away. Like, they I got it. And then when I start to explain things, and I give my side of things, maybe bows, explained both sides of the story, then they're tuned kind of changes. So I'm going to go through these guys these individuals right off the top. So we wanted a time Ben Tomlin, and we're gonna have five reasons why they're going to have a ton of pressure on them in two thousand nineteen. And then at the end, we're going to talk about who has the most pressure on them. Let's start with the quarterback. That's my quarterback Ben Rothlisberger. Okay. So first and foremost when I'm writing down these five bits of information that I think it what's the most important reason why Ben would have pressure because if you think about it the guy's been two to three Super Bowls. He's one to who's probably a. Ah heat will not probably he's a hall of Famer I have saved probably a first ballot hall of Famer e there's not so much pressure. But this off season was different. The first thing I wrote down where the comments that were made not only by. Teammates that were departing. We're talking lady on bell. We're talking to him Brown that also teammates that used to play for him. I'm talking Ryan Clark. I'm talking manual Sanders. Talking and Hines ward folks said negative things about his leadership in him as a teammate that's gonna put some pressure on him. He has to realize that there's going to be a magnifying glass around everything that he does on the sidelines. Everything you've thought that the camera was always on an Tonio Brown last season in years prior. You know, that's when they caught him throwing the water jug and Baltimore two years ago. It's going to be the same thing with Asperger's. They're gonna wanna see housi- interacting with teammates housi- interacting with the coaching staff. Did he get in someone's face? Is he talking to someone is he not talking to someone? That's what this season's going to be an don't think the Rothlisberger. Who's a veteran in this league? Doesn't know that it's going to bring some pressure. Is that pressure gonna lead into the play on the field? I doubt it not with Ben. But at the same time, it's going to be pressure. So that was number what the comments that were made buys former teammates, and his guess you could say teammates were leaving. That's gonna put some pressure. Okay. Number two. I felt this way for two years with Todd Haley gone, then rothlisburger got his guy in a lot of people myself included that his guys it technically him in. That is Randy feeders. The offense coordinator in he's basically calling the shots in my opinion with the offense that's pressure because Todd Haley's offense. Although a lot of people hated it. And he did some really dumb things from time to time. You can't say it wasn't productive. It was productive. They scored a lot of points. They were very good in certain situations. They taught Haley's offense got them to the AFC championship game one year. So now that Rothlisberger basically, and we can all assume maybe that's not. Not a good assumption. If we can all assume that Rothlisberger said, it's either hammer me, and that was when he was hinting with retirement and his tune certainly has changed since then. So that makes me think that he wanted to Haley gone. So Haley's gone has been last year is the rainy feeder experience year one year two there's going to be some pressure because no more is there that feeling out process. All the players that have been there. No would feet nor was gonna want essentially what Ben is going to want. And I think that's going to be a ton of pressure on him to make sure that this offense is successful. Is he going to throw the ball fifty times a game as he what's it gonna look like this pressure? What's it gonna look like without Antoni around lady on bell a lady avion bells a little different because he was there last year. But without Antonio Brown. That's a big void in that offense. Now, that's some pressure for him to perform well in the offense that he essentially hand-picked, and although I doubt he wanted Antonio Brown gone. I. Severely doubt. The Ben Rothlisberger lost any sleep over TIMMY around leaving at just call. It a gut. It's a gut reaction. I just think that Rothlisberger it had his he was at his which was wicks and with Antonio Brown. He'd just like, you know, what I've done on done. I will never forget the game. China think if you're the live chat you remember? There was a play where he was. Ben Rothlisberger was rolling out. I want to say he might have ran the ball in for a touchdown. And he stood up. Antonio around must've says something and then looked over at him and said to stop being an effing baby. You could read his word you'd raise lips on my on my dad sent me a tax, and we said the same as I think did you see what Ben just said in that? Was you stop being an effing baby? I think rothlisburger had had it up to here with his antics. I think he was good to see him go. But still the pressure is going to be there for this offense to perform well because it's essentially Roth Asperger's offense. And now we move on. Let's not forget that with the Pittsburgh. Susan, this is something my co-host on the standard is a standard, Lance Williams talks about all the time. And that is how in Pittsburgh, you're not measured by wins and losses and a regular season you're measured by championships. And let's be honest Steelers haven't been there in a long time. Let alone one one it's been since two thousand and ten since the Steelers head even been to the Super Bowl. They lost Green Bay that year. And they haven't was the AFC championship run that they lost a New England. But other than that they haven't even sniff the play they they didn't make the playoffs last year. They haven't really sniffed the championship. They haven't been to the dance in a long time. And you have to think maybe Roth Asperger's wondering here, I am in the waning years of my career. Do we still have it? Do I still have it is this team capable? That's pressure is pressure on him as a captain. It's pressure on him as a leader in pressure on him as a quarterback. So that's going to be another area to keep it on as well next. I think the Ben Rothlisberger in this could have been number one to be totally honest with you. This could have been number one. Then Rothlisberger is gonna chip on his shoulder this year, and it's going to be. Because in Tonio Brown the way he left I think Ben Rothlisberger wants to prove to everyone that look I'm the guy that makes these receivers in so AB can leave. I'll make James Washington juju Ryan Switzer, Dante Moncrieff, I'll make them all look good. I'll make them all look better than you ever thought. They were I guarantee you, that's his mindset, and although that's awesome. And that's exactly the mindset I want out of my team's quarterback my favorite teams quarterback at the same time. I also see that as being pressure, and that's what this whole segments about is pressure. Who's feeling the most pressure? Does that make Ben Rothlisberger work a little bit harder? That can't be a bad thing. Does it? Make Ben Rothlisberger force things a little too much that could be a bad thing. So I think he wants to prove that AB didn't make Ben Rothlisberger. Because Ben Rothlisberger was Big Ben air quotes air for those listening and audio form that he was. Big Ben before Antonio Brown, even came to the Steelers. And I think he wants to remind everybody looked at. I'm not who I am. Because this one guy I who I am. Because at who I am in. I made him who he is. I turned into a new round AB. That's not necessarily good thing as we've come to doubt. But still that's going to be pressure. I think that's going to be pressure. And then Lastly, I think that the pressure is also going to be on Rothlisberger to play cleaner brand of football in two thousand nineteen. He threw for over five thousand yards last year. And that's fantastic. But they missed the playoffs and he also led the NFL interceptions. Now, I know that Dave Scofield Mike one of my co host on the Steelers preview which airs tomorrow night Thursday night around nine o'clock makes you check us out live here here live on YouTube. He's going to say, well, yeah. But Jeff there was the lowest total interception. Mark in the NFL. Like the last two decades. I don't care. He still led the league in interceptions. So I think there's gonna be some pressure for him to not turn the ball over as much. I remember as two years ago. He went into training camp saying he didn't want to throw any interceptions at all the entire camp. And I wanna say he came really close to doing that. And he s- protecting the football was paramount. But then last year and training camp, he came in with a little different mindset. And that was more of a I needed as let it loose. Sometimes we saw were that got him. So the pressure might be this year. He's got to play a little bit cleaner. He's gotta keep that football out of the defense his hands in that's going to be some pressure. So those five things I'll run down in case. You're just joining us live on YouTube number one where the comments made by his teammates. Okay. That the players that used to play with him and. And you're leaving town how they basically just ripped him. That's going to be pressure. No more Todd Haley to to you know, Bank on Randy feet ner experiences going into year two. So that's his offense. That's pressure hasn't been to the Super Bowl and over of ten years. That's pressure. He's got prove that it's Ben that made into Neo Brown. Not the other way around that's pressure. And lastly cancer so many interceptions. That's going to be pressured. Okay. Now, let's go to the other side of the docket. The other side of the coin, however, you wanna put it that would be Mike Tomlin head coach different kind of pressure much different type of pressure. I don't think that you know. We'll we'll answer the question, which is who's going to have who's gonna have more pressure into dozen nineteen. Let's go over. What might Thomas is the first and foremost top of the list for me you missed the playoffs last year. You were seven to an one at one point in did not make the. Playoffs finishing a distant disappointing nine six and one that leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth. I'm sorry. I people that are Mike Tomlin fans, and I'm one of them love to tout about all those things, you know. Hey, he's never had a losing season. And that's true. And that's awesome. But at the same time if you're eight or nine and seven in you don't make the playoffs. Who cares if you who cares? If you don't have a losing season. Yeah. That's just a nice little feather in your cap. You wanna make the postseason? You wanna get to the dance? You wanna punch your ticket at least giving you a shot, and they didn't do that last year. So that's going to be some pressure next is the this could be number one, it really could the perceived the perception I should say that he has an inability to control his players, I as someone that used to be coach. Now, if you listened to a standard as I've coached in high school, that's the extent of my coach house ahead varsity. Coach not football doesn't matter. If you're coaching group vigils, and it's a team sport. You have some of these issues when someone whether it's the media whether it's the team whether it's your ship perceived that you can't control your team. That's a problem. That's a big problem. So now, you have a situation where Mike Tomlin every single issue that might happen. Let's say a player misses a walk-through. Let's say a player as perpetually late. Let's say someone does something on the field that warrants a flag. Let's say an excessive celebration, let's say that somebody says something in the media that is not very attuned to the what the Steelers want to hear from their players, whatever the case is you have that happen. People are going to want to know, what's he gonna do? Because everyone thinks this is the perception that I'm talking about everyone thinks that Mike Tomlin just let lady on. L and especially in TIMMY, Brown just run rampant. They just run rampant kinda like that toddler that just gets whatever they want. They just yell and scream, okay? To give him what he wants said that he shuts up that's kind of what I felt like. And so now, Mike Tomlin's gotta have this perception hovering over his head like a cloud saying can I control my players? He's got to prove it that's going to be some pressure. You those situations are going to happen. Someone's going to say something someone's gonna do some it happens all the time. I hope it doesn't happen that often this year for the Steelers. But if it does what you're gonna do that's pressure. I have to say that speaking of perception, Mike Thomas perception in terms of the national media, probably even the local media, probably even the fan base in even maybe I don't know this for a fact, I'm just guessing, but maybe even with other players that could be potentially free agents. I think Mike Tomlin's perception is at an all time low people used to tout him as the next great coach they wanted to they free agents wanted to play for him players want to be drafted by him players wanted nothing. But the play for Mike Tomlin coach t they heard all the stories. He's a winner. He's going to give you a good chance to succeed to get to the Super Bowl. I'm not sure if people think that anymore, and so Mike Tomlin might say. I don't care what other people think that are outside these walls. I don't care. Care, what the media says I'm gonna pay attention to that. That's all white noise. But you have to understand that he he feels it. He has to feel it if there was a free agent. And there was I think it was Roby the cornerback. They offered him a three year contract. He said, no, I'll take a one year deal for Houston to play quarterback for them instead of a three year deal in Pittsburgh. You have to wonder if someone said, I don't want anything. I don't want any part of that circus in Pittsburgh. And if they did. That's that's fresher perception can be reality, folks. And in this case, maybe it is. And if it is that's a problem. Okay. So now, let's go to the next one for my Thomas is number four. I think the ownership might be reaching the end of their rope with certain things it's tough to go into an office of a coach she's never had a losing season. And I know. I know I just said a few minutes ago, how the fan base of Mike Tomlin loves to tout that but bear with me. So you know, it suffered owner to go into my Thomas office in and complain about the product. But when this organization has been drug through the mud the way that it has and that they're not making the playoffs and they're losing first-round playoff games. Like, they didn't it gets the Jaguars after a buy in the divisional round, the two thousand seventeen with now all that stuff is having. It's just building. It's building the drama team turmoil. As everyone calls all this stuff building building building. You have to wonder when ownership art Rooney the seconds going to say I've had enough I've had enough. It's not going as planned. See? I'm not saying that's happened. I'm not saying they're thinking about it. But you have to think that if you're using the the terminology of the hot seat that might Tomlin's hot seat might be warming up a little bit this year in particular. You get rid of the clowns of the circus. Okay. They're gone. What he what does this team do? Now. A lot of people were down on the Steelers the over under a Vegas is nine wins. They used to be a joke in the they used to be a punchline nine Wednesay serious KOMO but not anymore. Some people are saying take the under hard on the Steelers because there's no way they're going to get done with that's up to coach Tomlin. This is his team. Now, get the superstar divas are gone unless you count Ben Rothlisberger is one of those in which case, they're not gone. You have all this stuff where? I just don't understand that. The ownership is probably just getting a little fed up say he's got he's got rectify so much stuff. No more drama. No more stupid comments in the media. No, more sideline antics, all this stuff. That is pressure period. Let's go to the last one civil really simple, actually. And that is his easier to fire a coach than it is to cut a player Deary it period. They can cut ties with Mike Tomlin right now. And not elm, another diamond say see, thanks your things in the last decade. Whereas a player you have dead money. You have more of a performed performance on the field. That's pressure. I think the Mike Tomlin has to think to himself shoo, man. They can fire me in a heartbeat, and they won't even have to think twice about it. Because it's a different. It's a different ball of wax. Then cutting a player releasing a player trading a player. So I think that you know, we'll go through the let's like I said some people still joining us live on YouTube. I'll go through this again. Like, I did with broth spur the five biggest pressure points for Mike Tomlin my opinion, number one. The fact that he missed the playoffs last year there seven two and one miss the playoffs. What come on come on? That's I don't care about that end of the season schedule. That's a bunch of bogus as bogus BS second one to perceived inability for him to not be able to control his players everything is going to be magnified this year for Tomlin in terms of how he controls a seem next the per se his perception amongst the NFL landscape, whether that's media players coaches, GM's, whatever is probably at an all time low period next ownership talking art, Rooney to second maybe even those minority owners of the team. They're probably reaching the end of their rope with him the seats probably warming up. And lastly is a heck of a lot easier to fire a coach than it is to fire a player. Get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. 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It's a with that said now, we get all of all of this stuff. We take all we digest it. What's the answer? The question. If you're in the live chat. Lemme now is who's who has more pressure on them? Is it Ben Rothlisberger the pressure to perform or is it might Tom on the pressure to not only just keep your job? But to get your team, right? Because your team isn't right hasn't been right. Hasn't been right for the last three seasons who has more pressure. For me. The answer is. Mike tomlin. I think it's my Tomlin Bardhan because it number one. So that my brother used always say we'd watch the Steelers. I remember watching the Steelers him back in the Tommy gun days. And there were some trying times for those ever, but Tommy Maddox era. And I say man, these guys suck, and as they, you know, just clean house, and I was get rid of them. He's at hey, you he's the first ago. That's a he's that he said that the coach. So why he's 'cause you can't fire all the players, and that's the trees, you can't fire all the players to sometimes the coaches escape goat. I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Tomlin if they have a bad season this year if things fall apart if the wheels fall off. Could be the scapegoat that's pressure. That's pressure. There's a lot of pressure on coach Tomlin and not that there's not a lot of pressure on bedrooms for absolutely there is, but I think by far the pressure is on Mike Tomlin to get the job done. It's going to be really interesting to watch. Now, if you have any questions, this is the point of this show where he ever burning question of your own. In your in the live chat could fire away. Now. Sometimes we have LeBron sixty or so people currently the that number's going up as more people. Tune in. Sometimes a lot of stuff is happening that live chat, and you might want. Your question answered. It says it saying it over and over again, we do have these super chat feature which is you can use any amount of money. I think it could even be something like fifty cents and you put an ad feature. And it'll keep your question highlighted. I will see it. I guarantee I'll answer it away to get your question answered if you have a burning question of your own. So let's get right to things of questions are starting to file in vodka drinker whose regular on our shows that the Bubby Brister era was more painful. Yeah. It was good old Bubby Bobby the guy that said when he came back to Pittsburgh. And he was interviews. And he said, it's it's tough. It's tough playing three were stadium right off that lake. Yikes. Three rivers stadium and their next to a lake good ole Bubby Brister beano a Bubby Brister wasn't the only quarterback era. That was tough to watch the Kordell Stewart air was tough talk about a ton of success just to collapse when it mattered most. The my Tom's Ag era was tough the Everett era was tough Tommy zero was tough shoot. Thank thank God for two thousand and four the eleventh overall pick ten Rothlisberger we've been spoiled folks, we really have been spoiled with Ben Rothlisberger. Hope you'll realize that. Okay. So we have some questions coming in here. Snowman ass will Ryan shazier ever play. Again. I get asked this question a lot in person when people see that I've a Steeler fan, or if they know that I worked for the editor of the website, and they read the website. And honestly, I I can't answer this question. I don't even want to guess because first and foremost, my I just hope he gets healthy. I hope he's able to walk without a limp and his gait who'd be able to run sprint. And then if he gets to that point where he can live in normal life, and he wants to play football who am I Jeff Harbin editor of said website behind the curtain dot com. Who am I to tell him what he should should do? Now. Do I think he'll play again? No, I just think physically he's not gonna have the tools to be able to play again. But if the thought of playing again, motivates him and gets him to attack his rehab with a fervor that he wouldn't have had if he knew that he would never play again, then let him then by all means don't squash. That hope you know. So everyone wants a definitive answer. I don't have one. But for me, my gut tells me he's not gonna play again. But if he can and he does I praise okay? But at the same time if he's at this I'm going to route and we're like crazy for him. You know? So there you have that. I mean, Ryan cheese years very unique case. All right. The next question Carlton s who will step up and be the the number two receiver. That's a good question. The the options are Dante Moncrieff James Washington and possibly a potential draft pick. I don't think there's going to be one clear cut number two. I. That that if if everything goes as planned James Washington shows a lot of progress. Dante Moncrieff is Liz up to the billing, and you have some slot receivers in Switzerland Rogers. He thrown a draft pick that can equal and their juju Smith Schuster who can be moved rounds very versatile. I think that brought us burgers spreads though ball around a lot. But if I were to guess, I'm. I want so bad to say James Washington. But I'm gonna say Dante Moncrieff, I think James Washington is a little bit more rough around the edges, but I think that ultimately he's going to be okay. He's going to be better. But I don't think he's going to be maybe this season. Okay. Let's hear cheer Darryl asked. You think the failure last year falls on ownership for their b team two thousand eighteen freeze and signings. I guess in in that regard. You're talking about they didn't really go out yet. Remember, darryl. They didn't have a lot of space because they franchise tag lady on Dell. So that allocated fourteen and a half million dollars towards him. And so they they didn't have the money to do much. They had to get bargained in players and people don't wanna hear that. I mean, they got Morgan Burnett. They got John bossy. Those were the two big names. And so. You can't really hate the team that they were hoping that lady on bellwood would show up and he didn't. But you know, what? Because he didn't they were able to actually go out and spend this time around, and that's how they get bogged Krief Nelson, Barron players that sign a lot of their own players to new contracts. So I just I understand your frustration. But at the same time, I also look at it and say that they didn't have any money to spend. So let's not go too far overboard with that Jerry cherry band as why does Shannon Sharpe hate Benza much. There's a lot of people that don't like Ben Rothlisberger. There's a lot of people that think that Ben Rothlisberger is pompous that been office burgers arrogant. Ben Rothlisberger literally is thinks he's kind of above the law in a lot of this stems from his behavior off the field. I think it was rothlisburger. Who was he was voted one of can't remember what website it might have been CBS sports. It might have. Been someone like the epic. It said Ben Rothlisberger was considered one of the worst. He mates in the NFL when you have that perception, it can kind of lead into different areas. So Shannon, Sharpe sound alone. As one of the guys that doesn't like Ben Rothlisberger. Okay. Andres is hot hot, see meter Tomlin. Danny Smith or Butler. I would say that if I'm doing the hot meter. I'd say Danny Smith is. Well, no check that Butler's is the hottest Danny Smith would be to Tomlin would be three. If on ranking those coaches there here, we go needs a good question. How do you see the run pass ratio next season in my 'have? If lands is listening. He will tell you what I would say. That's I I hope it's balanced. I hope it's not seventy percent pass thirty percent run. I would be happy and lands. And I said this before in our show, the standard is a standard shares on the on Sundays live on YouTube makes you check us out. We've said this wasn't we'd be happy with sixty forty. We realized that today's National Football League you're going to tend to throw the ball more than you run it, especially the Steelers so sixty forty I'd be happy with that. That's an even that's about as close to balance as you might get into what I hope not sure it's way, it's going to happen. Oh, let's see here. Someone has it surely in question about might tell come on people. Let's mature a little bit crazy Chris s with three or four decent receivers will the Steelers draft to defensive players back to back for the first two picks in the draft. Or would they go one defense offense? We'll Chris the thing is I don't there's no way of answering that question unless you know, how the chips are falling. So if. Both of the inside linebackers are going and there's a wide receiver the day field can be a day one starter. I would not be shocked to see them draft receiver in around one. It is all depends. Did they have their needs. I don't think there's you have to look at the board. So I don't think there's a cornerback in this draft that is worthy of number one pick their inside linebackers that he knows if they'll get their two twenty a message trait up, there's so many different factors. So many different variables. It's really tough. So oh areas says don't forget Markle out. I tried to forget more. Thank you very much. That's like saying don't forget about Neil O'Donnell can't stand. That guy. Can't believe I just said his navy. All right Chozas says everybody's trash talking, Dan. That'd be missing a lot of years when he retires. Hopefully, we don't revert to bobby's as. Can't cram. Good lord. You guys are bringing up some bad memories. I'll tell you that Jerry is bring on Mason Rudolph. Hey, if you listen to me talk at any of our shows, I have a big Mason Rudolph fan, and I really looking forward to seeing what he's going to be able to do it near to AVI, really disappointed. If he doesn't beat out Joshua Dobbs for that second quarterback spot because if he doesn't do that then. It's it's done. My dream is done. My dream of Mason Rudolph being the next guy after Ben Rothlisberger. If you can't be Joshua Dobbs for the backup quarterback spot in year. Two after you've got a year on your belt, then the project is done people might disagree with me. But it's done. I hope it doesn't happen because I'm rooting hard for him. I think he's a good kid. I think he has really mature beyond his years. He I've said this when he was drafted. He reminds me a lot of the way handles media. At least he reminds me a lot of Sidney Crosby. And if you've watched the penguins, and you see how he handles the media. He's always available super mature super polite ever. He's what you want in a quarterback. He's not going to say anything. Controversial. So you guys get me started on a Mason Rudolph you need to stop doing that. Because I'll go onto engines days go field. Co host of the Steelers preview says if Kaur was so much better than Tomlin. And they were all his players. Why did he win with them? That's great question. Dave because if you forget two thousand and three six and ten season. Which landed on the eleventh overall take which acquainted into Ben Rothlisberger. Everyone always remembers what they wanna remember. Okay. And I don't think people remember or want to remember how many times people wanted scour fired fire cower if there was a diverse Twitter back then my goodness. That would be a hash day. They would have trended how many times did he gets the AFC championship game in lose. At home. I mean, I could think of the game against the Broncos. I think about the patriots couple times. It's one of those things where you have to seriously say we remember cower for winning in two thousand and five. But do we remember cower for for losing in ninety five to remember him for all those failed seasons? Look I loved. Okay. Our he was the coach of the Steelers. I've really became a fan. It's I think everyone always kinda clings to that coach for crying out loud. Chuck Noll he won four in the seventies. But he didn't win after that. And he coach for a long time after that. So let's keep everything in perspective here people. It's a really good point by Dave see. So as big bend cancer his radio show. That was a report haven't heard anything definite on that. I'm surprised we haven't heard anything definite on that. Because I feel there's no doubting. We ran that story every other website like piney, so curtain ran that story pro football talk ran that story. In two ninety three seven the fan had. No, this it had his head every opportunity to jump out and say, this isn't true. We're still doing the show. And they did tells me there some some issues of if he stuff going on there. So let's hear. Donalds talking about Mason Rudolph. Here we go again, probably won't see action. I'm not saying he's going to see action. I hope he be is the backup quarterback. And if he can prove that he's worthy of of playing time when it comes to. They bend gets hurt. He steps any plays. Well, gives you a glimmer of what could come. I still think even if they keep if he doesn't start until year four of his career, that's not necessarily a bad thing. Matt Thomas is why do you think the team is meeting with seventy running backs before the draft? They're going to draft a running back. I I feel very confident that I think it's going to be at top draft need. But I think they're going to draft running back because they want to have someone that can complement James Connor, and Jalen Samuels and also to take the burden off of James Cotter to designed to carry the ball so much. I think that's really smart. They passed on a lot of veterans that were on free agent market. And I think a largely probably because they still want to get that compensatory draft pick for lady on Dell. So by doing so they're avoiding that they'll draft amid round running back hopefully pans out, and he can be the third and final peace to their stable of running backs. There you go. Let's hear is it possible to change Connor could lead the AFC and rush ABC's healthy absolutely with that's from Stephen with with this offense of line. No doubt about it in the office of line comes back intact. And they've got good depth. Right. Tackle is a question. Mark. That's about it. And if Matt filers your starter, we saw what he could do asked your I would expect he could do it again. I think he absolutely could if they stay healthy if he's as healthy seasonal Clark says do you think they'll fire Mike Tomlin if he starts Owen six hundred nineteen? No, they're not they're not the teen is gonna fire a cage midway through the year. Just not gonna happen. Let's see here. Steven Steven says, I hope I get by Mazen read after Zia. Yeah. I hope so to one day. Maybe right now, I only I only do Ben Rothlisberger jerseys right now. And so when Ben retires if may mazing revolves the guy I'll be wearing number to trust me. Joseph says, Jeff I agree because fan of Mason was a tough quarterback. I think we'll be in good shape when Ben retires. Yeah. It's gonna take time. I love to hear people criticize Rudolph, and they say, well, you know, he never took a snap under center. Okay. How many times have Rothlisberger? Tickets nap under center last year, not often. I want to say I saw a stat. Where about seventy percent of the of the plays run even run plays run in the shotgun. Formation sway. This offense is trending. So I think Mason real fit in just fine. Let's hear that's a good point someone's vodka drinker said about Shannon Sharpe. He played for the ravens. Let me. So he naturally is a disdain for the Steelers. I wouldn't be shocked. If that comes you know, comes into the way Billy says he's bringing up some bad memories. Now. I remember nineteen ninety-five Neal's interceptions nineteen Ninety-four Stan Humphries lucky passed ninety eight should have been Branca's doesn't one the block field goal and pitch back. I've never. Seen so much bad luck and leading champion of games. Tell me about it in ninety four. I could still tell you the past play that Neil O'Donnell. They've tried to throw to berry foster in the end zone and the rain against the chargers. And I remember the chargers got waxed by the forty Niners at year the Super Bowl ninety five obviously, the pissed by as I remember all those gains van awful, awful memories. Thanks for bringing that up. No, not appreciative of that. At all. It's a couple more. Here we call it a show. See here. Let's see. Can edna. Instead, we have a couple questions here. Good ones. Can drill Edmund step up as a question? That's a good question. I don't know. It's so tough for me to get beat on Terrell. Edmonds. I wasn't overly impressed with him last year. Not that he did make plays out that he's not capable. But man, I I just wanted to see so much more from him. So again, he's a player that you hope to see that year. One a year to jump. We've seen it in certain players like James Connor already. I would hope that he would be in better shape. He would have a better grasp of what the coaching staff is expecting of him and his position I would hope to see a big jump from your one year to even Troy Paulo Malu rookie year did do much year to is when he he started to see. Wow, this is this is a guy. This is a player. So someone asks will they replace Sean Davis in the draft. He's the weak link. I I don't see it that way. I don't think that I don't think he's a week thought he played well this first year free safety, and I don't think you'd expect much more from what he did. Did I don't see him as a weekly personally of oxygen grises who I see stepping up for death on pass rush. Yikes. Ally. Dania Anthony trick lower still there may be kion atoms. They carried three Outside Linebackers last year. Think about that. So with that said, you can expect what depre- to make it you can expect check to make because they they brought him back on two year deal in do they even keep for if you do keep for I think he'd be keep Ola dinghy. But at the same time, they don't have to didn't last year. So I don't know. So there you have it folks a lot of stuff going on. I thought this was a good show. I thought you guys were very really into with the question. I thought you guys did a good job helping me answer because there were some times where I look down at the live chat. And there were some really good points made on the Denver office burger, Mike Tomlin who has the most pressure this yet. So we talked about I said, Mike Tomlin. Well, what do you think if you're watching this live on YouTube? Now's when you go down to the comments action a comment. Let us know what you think if you're watching us listening to this on behind the curtain dot com kid down to the comments section. Get a discussion going. There is a great place for Steeler fans. It just love to talk nothing, but black and gold. Remember as Lance William says, tune in Tele friend and subscribe, thanks for listening to the burning question. We'll see you next week on another episode.

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The Steelers Preview, Part 1: Fans are ready, but are the Steelers and Giants?

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The Steelers Preview, Part 1: Fans are ready, but are the Steelers and Giants?

"Pittsburgh steeler fans, and we're really back for those audio platform. You're wondering what we're talking about. Well, we started to show didn't really go too well, and so now we decided to start another show, which is hopefully going to be live on Youtube here shortly. But nonetheless, I'm Jeff Hartman Co editor behind steel curtain DOT COM, and it is exciting just to be able to talk about actual football right now there's a live football game going on did I'm not getting. To Watch, we will all get there for too long the Kansas City chiefs the defending super bowl champions are hosting Houston Texans, and we'll probably give you some updates on that as we go. But I'm joined as always by Brian Anthony, Davis and Dave Scofield what's going on gentleman Brian we'll start with you. How are you today? I'm doing great chefs. So glad to be here. Really glad to be talking about real football. Let's do it absolutely Dave how're you doing? I'm doing well whenever one another we said that we're starting over that wasn't our fault that was the technical issue. Some people are saying it's fixed and some people say that it's not. So which was funny because people were saying it was fixed before we stop the last show. So it's hard to say so we just got to roll with it yet. We're GONNA roll with it, and if is all downs good to us I'm assuming it's GonNa sound good on our audio, which is ultimately why we these shows on Youtube anyways so and I know you just did this and I hate to ask you to do it again but. Please update everyone on the upcoming scheduled for our podcast platform. 'CAUSE has changed slightly. So you can just say you know things that like the steelers previews not going to change. It's going to remain on Thursdays typically around nine pm what is going to change for the upcoming season? Well, let's talk about our am network of shows we're going to have the post game show coming out on Monday morning usually after a Sunday game that'll be a little different this weekend because it is a it is a Monday night game but so usually Monday am you will have the post game show you also have the live Mike on Tuesday. Let's ride on Wednesday steelers staticky on Thursday let's Ride on Friday and touchdown under on Saturday. In the mornings at noon, we are going to have some offerings as well. A lot of it will be our youtube shows that will carry over except for on Monday you're GonNa have a special edition of Let's ride at noon the hangover on Tuesday scarborough show on Wednesday. Know your enemy on Thursday steelers preview on Friday and steelers Brunch with Tony, will be on Saturday. That will be live on Youtube and then we'll have it over on the podcast platform as well. In the PM, we're going to have lots of fun on Monday nights. We're GONNA have the retro show the Mike Tomlin press conference wrap up will be on Tuesday evenings, Wednesday Thursday and Friday we will have injury reports and Saturday. We will have our pre game show. The Youtube Channel is going to look a lot like the same on Sundays. We're GONNA HAVE THE POST game show. The hangover will be Monday nights on Youtube. skogoe. Show on Tuesday know your enemy on Wednesday steelers preview on Thursday. We take hiatus on Friday and take a break and steelers Brunswick Tony on Saturday guys. Yeah and it's it other words. Let me take the Brian just said and really put a new sentence. We're offering a lot of content. Shows a lot I'm done. We're basically tripling and quadrupling depends how you're looking at it but there's going to be a lot of stuff offered. So. It's going to be fantastic for you for me I look at it this way I love. I Love Sports Talk Radio yet. I can't stand to hear people talk about anyone that's not the steelers. So if you're someone like me, I, mean I used to listen to Dan Patrick and all these people and I would just they would talk about the steelers like one segment never just cling to everything they call it finally the steelers and then this this is just dealers all the time and we have more than enough content you combine that with behind the Joe, curtain. Dot Com. In, the fact that we're turning out so much content there in all sorts of content whether it's breaking news commentary film room stuff everything you would possibly want is there for you. Now we know that the majority of our audio listeners are listening to us on itunes or apple podcasts, and all we ask is that every week please give us a five. Star rating if you like the content and give us a good comment, I always tell people this is on my solo show in the morning If you give good contact comment, I will read it on the air live on Thursdays. 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There's a game on Monday night that everyone's going to be geeked up. Remember folks, I've said it a lot he listened to my other shows. It's at seven fifteen. I would hate to have someone join us next week and say I almost missed the first half because I didn't think the game who started to late twenty a typical start time for Monday night football starts at seven fifteen be prepared guys. Excitement level from zero to ten ten being the go run through a wall zero. I'd rather watch paint dry. Where's your excitement level for this upcoming Game Dave? While no matter what I say bras going to say, hi or so I'll just I'll. Just I'll go with the twelve. I mean. Seriously I'm through through the roof I'm I'm honestly. Concerned about being able to stay awake for this game Monday even though it's only starting at seven fifteen because I'm afraid I'm not gonna be able to sleep the night before that's how excited I am it has been. So long we have not seen the steelers on the field in a contest. This year you know the last time we saw them was twenty nineteen. So I'm excited I'm ready to roll. You could tell Brian. He's you know he's GonNa. Bust some buttons off his shirt or something like that because he's so excited. Let Let. Let's just get Monday here I just need Monday to get here. Bro Your thoughts. Oh, I'm sorry I didn't hear. Yes my name. My thoughts. If I have to give it a number, I'm just going to say this, seventy, four, seventy, five, seventy, eight, seventy, nine. Ninety five. No. That wasn't a championship year I'm going to say. Oh, five eight. That's how excited I. He said. Ninety. Five. That was an exciting year even though they didn't win it well then why did you see two thousand ten? Exciting. Drought. And then yeah, I'm really excited right now unlike level seven if I'm being honest I'm super excited but it won't really hit me until Monday. Sunday will be fun although I'm sure my family's GonNa drag me out to do something instead of just sitting my but on the couch watching football games but Monday, it's a giant crescendo build up to it all day it's GonNa. Be Great has been some news this week we'll talk about that to get the show started off first and foremost the injury report Dave. Why don't you fill us in on both giants and the steelers first reported injury report Well, when it comes to the steelers, they only had two players listed on the injury report and unfortunately neither of them were practising. It was David. decastro. As expected just to clarify, he has not been ruled out. That was a report that the steelers don't anticipate on implying, but there's nothing official with him being rolled out yet, but he did not practice and unfortunately. Neither did wide receiver deontay Johnson he was out with a foot injury. Now, when it comes to the Castro, one thing we did find out is what has lower body injury is and that was it's a knee injury is what they have listed. So that's what's going on for the steelers and for the giants they had let me see I gotta look at it. They had. The only had one player that did not practice. That was due to illness that was linebacker marcus golden and they had four players who were limited probably the most notable for them. Is why Brazil Tales Eight Yeah Ham harm nine and then they had a tight end that was limited all you know who was The three guys that were limited with an injury where hamstring and then there was another defensive back Adrian Colbert to is limited with an illness. So take crowder was the other linebacker with the dame string. That Deontay Johnson foot thing I'm really anxious to see what happens on Friday with their second practice. I hope that he at least returns in some way you know something like that because those foot injuries can linger, you would hate to have that happen. Here's a question that's not really injury related. But, I thought about this I did a podcast for big blue view with Valentine the editor there at debut in i. told him. This morning I. Try to think of ten players on the New York giants roster. I couldn't do it I literally I. I don't know who these players are I. Don't know he's heard of Golden Tate new, Daniel Jones and saquon Barkley Evan Ingram they just picked up Logan Ryan's I know him. I feel like I'm out of Sterling Shepherd I know down I mean I don't have a roster here I hope you will understand I can't think of ten players Brian what is going on with the giants like I don't even recognize team anymore I think they are in full rebuild mode. That's really where they are right now with ally gone with your, you had a draft the guy very early in the form of a Saquon Barkley a couple years ago you just got Andrew Thomas. In the top ten stub offense Lineman, and then they're bringing in guys like a Djibril peppers and. Kevin Zeitler from the Odell. Beckham junior trade from. A year ago so you know we're looking at. We're looking at this team turning over and that's exactly I mean it's the progression of. Losing that franchise quarterback which. We Might WanNa pay attention to this. And Yeah. You're right Dave. What are your thoughts about the giants I mean just off the cuff I mean the giants seem kind of bland to me. Yeah. That's kind of how I feel with the giants and that's why I guess. We'll talk about later I would say I'm not really. I'm not overly concerned outside of maybe one player who I will talk about. I'm not worried about the giants as much as I'm worried about sealers. It's really what the steelers need to do because I don't really you know like you say there's a lot of names they have A. Very, inexperienced offensive line and they that that's going to be if you watched last night show where if you didn't watch or listen to last night's show with know your enemy, you really missed out because you were really able to learn some some stuff about the giants there but. They're going to have some problems with that sealers defensive front with these. No name guys that we don't know who they are. And we'll talk about the giants anyway I don't want to talk a ton of Adam. Because like I. Said if you listen to know your enemy I, mean they re to that roster and the matchups who was a really good shows me she check that out Michael Back and Jeffrey Benedict but as it pertains of the steelers, my question for you all tonight is I watched the third. Part of Ben Rothlisberger Docu series got super jacked up like I always do. What you think would be a successful night from a stat line. Perspective. For Rothlisberger, in his first game back he said on Wednesday when he spoke to the media, he's going to be nervous. He's GonNa. Have butterflies he's GonNa. He's GonNa be shaky. That's natural. He still hasn't played in over a year. Brian if you were to give me a stat line and you say this would be solid I would be really really happy if Rothlisberger was able to do what would that look like for you. To forty two and forty yards, two touchdowns no interceptions. Okay. Dave. What's your perfect night's okay? One window. Line. I. Know Win. I'm GONNA I'm going to say I'm going to say to sixty five. Two touchdowns. I've got to see the street continues because they when interception. On about that I swear. Okay Yeah. That's what I say and honestly I would not be shocked at these yards are front half loaded meaning first-half loaded. If the steelers can get a lead Ben might be on pace to really have a big night and then not need to do it so. That's why that's why I'm not saying that has to be that way but I'm thinking that's one way it could happen. Can I say one more thing Jeff Yeah, a successful stat for Ben Rothlisberger would be James Connor over one hundred yards to that's. A good point. That'd be a great Ben? Stat. Well. What do you think the odds are that Rothlisberger? He normally starts off slow everyone's expecting their stars like what if he had a game where he just threw for five touchdowns doesn't ever of yards but just really puts a lot of touchdowns. He had one of those games against Carolina and Thursday night a couple of years ago just where he seeing everything. So well, the defense he's playing is let's be honest not that great you think did he could maybe come out of the gates really swinging me think this is going to be A. Boy If we can get. To fifty around there to two touchdowns we'd be happy I. Mean What are your thoughts then come now just slinging it in this proven, he wants to prove a point. You know he does he wants to prove he's back Dave while your thoughts on that. I think that's kind of what I was talking about is if I think Ben's going to get to about those stats if he starts out on fire then there there's no reason for for them to push that elbow or anything further because if he comes out on fire. Your I'm thinking defenses not GonNa, come out and have a poor showing. In all honesty, so if they have that lead. He's not gonNA need to keep flinging it around. That's that's why I say. quarterbacks with really good defenses don't put up monster numbers, but they don't have to and that's just what I think is gonna I mean he could Ben could throw for two hundred yards in the first quarter and I still don't think he'll hit three hundred Okay. With thank you. Dan Lights it up in this game. I think is just a little bit more mundane. I don't think he needs to light it up either I think they're going to rely on the run Mike. Tomlin's not the guy that cares about ben lighting it up and Ben Stats old he cares about his dave stat earlier the W and they're going to. The you've never see this team, run it up or try to run it up and I could honestly say I think that they're going to try to use the bell cow and we heard the bell cal were this week. With, James CA CONNOR They are going to try to establish that. In here. Gosh I mean. I can tell Mrs Hartman does most of the book readings. Chen Go Jeff. For, not going into all that. Here's let's let's go a different direction McDonald's. Kicked can I say something else about? Yeah. Brought up the thing about about James. Connor. Going over one hundred yards. It would be Ben's best at you know what's even better? I say Beng snell going over one hundred yards because that's the guy if they have a big lead and they wanna just pound the ball like they did last year where they kind of saved him for later in the game imagine him just controlling the game at the end that would be great news for Ben Rothlisberger. Let's stick with this trend here. Let's stick with the were looking at specifics Amr looking for some type of justification. So in Rothlisberger is the justification that he's back. You know we spend a lot of time involved with the fanbase whether it's here on Youtube with the live chat whether it's behind this curtain dot com, the comments whether it's on social media platforms. There's a multitude of ways that we interact with fans I feel that we as host of these shows have actual finger on the pulse of steelers nation in. Yeah. There's a million more fans and we interact with at the same time they all kind of think alike, let me ask you this. What outcome would it take? For steelers fans to say. That's right. Here we go. Let's let's get going because the steelers typically do not start fast start fast last year there's been other years it had been bad. What would it take for steeler fans to not really have anything to gripe about? Please, save me the forty nine to nothing. Obviously, they wouldn't have much to say but think about it. They're on the road so much uncertainty knowing about the opposition not knowing you know new coordinators new head coach. Not much tape about how Jason Garrett is gonNA run his offense up there Bryan what would it take for the steelers fan base to be happy after Monday night. We'll definitely a w but not a squeaker. They're not going to be happy with a squeaker over the giants in I think and you'll hear more about this on your show tomorrow. Jeff. That don't expect it to the it to be a cakewalk. Not a walk in the park like you mentioned on the show. So. Really. I'm thinking anything over a fourteen point win. The fans would be pretty happy with. I think health, of course, a healthy outcome to and Ben looking sharp in not struggling if Ben has his. Line from the. Two thousand five super bowl then. Fans are going to be happy with nine for twenty three. Even if they win. No No. Not GonNa be happy with a win, but they're not gonna be happy with a with. A bad stat line. Now because that means not back to them. What about you, Dave what are your thoughts on that? Okay I. As you know, there will always be at least a portion of the fan base that if the steelers could win, could that game forty nine to nothing because it wasn't fifty months and they think Tomlin should be fired you know that's just the way it's going to be. So I, think I think it's a combination of things. Fans will be happy if they hold the giants to single digits. Or if they go over thirty, they don't have to do both I think if they do one or the other, they will be able to focus either on that great defense or on that offenses back, and then if they do both, then fans should really be happy. I'm curious as to how long the leash will be for. Rothlisberger. If he struggles a little bit in week one if it's a little sloppy and that doesn't necessarily mean turnovers. The past sales on them maybe skips. If you throws one behind a receiver it, we know what those are going to look like I'm curious as I wonder how how long is the leash going to be with the fan base so they're going to give him. Okay. Talking about leash of them like pulling Rafflesia on because you know. No I'm. Not. Talking about the fan's perspective of all right. Then you had a game. Got It out of your system. We expect better at home on. Tuesday aren't on to when the Denver broncos come to town. Or. Is it going to be all right there's two stinkers you know I, I'm curious about that. We don't have an answer for that but that's what I'm going to be keeping an eye on as we go. But let's hope that they don't have to. If Ross comes out and looked sharp Brian, you're shaking your head, what are you thinking? First quarter they make their decision in the first quarter of that Game Jeff Y- or at least by halftime. In guys know that that Ben's done in that you. GotTa Bring Mason or just lose all the games. They're not gonNA say. That about Mason I, know that that's not. You, you know there's that fan base. There's sections that fan base that we'll do that and yeah they should just lose all those games and get that Clemson guy in. And they're not going to do that either. Such an. Accent. It's Yeah I don't know. something. Australian, it's. Austrailia. Not My accent. When I can do I. was actually I grew up. So okay. Okay. It's you gotta you Kinda got a put your put your fan base in quarters of of how they're going to be with even with the game and with Rothlisberger. You know I know this because I'm exposed to so many other people like this that. Nothing's ever going to be good enough skies always following they're always going to be a bunch of bums. You know we have that on for it looks like for the most part those of you that are maybe here on Youtube right now will live chat that's not yet. That's not you. You'RE GONNA understand you're not. You're going to be the homer and you're gonNA. Be Like Hey. Ben Hadn't played almost a year. Even if he struggled as long as the steelers get the win, he's going to find it out. It might just take a little longer. There's no pretty season know and and like Bryan, there's going to be the fans that if that I passed doesn't look fantastic and gopher and for seventy five yard touchdown, then bench would have just hung up and. Even bothered surgery 'cause he's not going to help us. So unfortunately, the reality is more more. I wouldn't even say in the middle but. We need to be patient with Ben but at the same time, Ben is not going to be satisfied with that kind of performance. So it's really not even about our leash our patients with him it's going to be more about him. Yeah. You're right I e ended this Dave. You already said you think it is what number is the I forget because it's still going the turnover straw. Over twenty try to forget about it. So long twenty two. Six or so I didn't think he's twenty. Twenty two or twenty three. Someone in the live. Chat might remember. Those bad two, thousand nineteen things that we tried to block out crease says it's twenty one may. It might be I could look it up while we're talking if you give me a minute but not Disney. So you think it continues Brian. Do you agree thinking continues because there was no pre season I get it I get it. Yeah I. I think only one though I mean I don't think they are going to turn over the ball a lot but. It's a possibility. I think they were the turnover battle I just still think they're going to have one. I'M GONNA. Go out on a limb and say it ends. I think they're gonNA clean brand of football. I don't think Ben's GonNa take a lot of chances in this game and I think that the ball carriers hold onto the rock and I they do win the turnover battle last question before we get into our players to watch. Over under time a little bit over under time for you guys this came to my head over under sacks. By the steelers defense in week one. Team sacks. said the line at four. Over under Brian. They're going to get three. So under. Okay Dave don't think they're going to get more than three sex. I think this is a typical Pittsburgh steeler first game. With no preseason it's even more of a first game. So No, I think they're going to three now I jeff you could set the light at six not gone over I mean seriously I think. We need to plan the browns no. But what I'm saying is the giants have very inexperienced big question marks at both tackles. Yes I mean and they're going up against TJ wanting budgetary. Let alone the inside guys and if the steelers offense can do anything and make the giants have to pass my goodness, they could just have a field day back there it could be. I am like I. Say I like to go west I say this all the time on on this bro show bribe widow this because I'm the king of wishful thinking that I always think that the. Show up and do their thing. Every time that I look at what could be the best possible outcome, and that's what I always feel going into the season is best possible outcome. What could it be and the best possible outcome is that the offense is at is more than adequate and therefore the defense can just own game. For me when Brian says, you know there's no preseason and yeah that can be a hindrance to a lot of teams but the steelers defense basically comes back intact. They lost Hargrave I understand that but. Other than that it's pretty much the same guys. I mean they're going to be able to pick up right where they left off I. Don't like the defense needs is much adjusting as an offense does it's just like in baseball they always say the beginning of the season pitching's always ahead of hitting your hitters have got to get used to it. They gotta get acclimated. I feel like the defense is going to be up not necessarily the game that's going on right now but I, feel like the defense is going to be especially for the steelers is going to be at a stand tall and make plays as it comes so. We'll see I think I think it's an over I think it's writing about six acts Dana Jen's I don't think that their offense of line. We'll talk about it. I don't WanNa. Get too far into our players to watch. Let's talk about players to watch while we're at Pittsburgh steelers players to watch let's find one offensive player one defensive player they you feel is going to be critical for the success of the steelers on Monday night football against the giants. Don't confuses with x factor that's going to be the next question. That's guy that the game could hinge on WHO's your player to watch on offense and Defense Dave will start with you. You need to do one at a time where you can do both as up to you while I'll I'll start with defense and then I'll yield the Brian. Let him decide if he wants to do defense he grabbed the offense I for to me it's obvious you're watching T. J.. Watt. Might be his best match up of the season with such a big unknown that he's going up against watch him and because he has a chance that he can just take over this game. That's the guy to watch for the steelers defense kyw Brian F- Devin Bush. Devon Bush needs to be the guy along with Vince Williams because Vince. Williams is your run stopper but Devin Bush is going to see a lot of saquon Barkley. Because saquon Barkley could catch the ball out of the backfield to, and that's where he could be even more dangerous. I think than just. Running the ball. So I'm really looking at. DB Junior. Eight. If I'm giving you data scope, you'd answer I would say well, whoever they decide to put it in the Marc Maron role be anyone of Marcus Donald Level I know. I'M GONNA go with steph onto it. People. Forget about it. Came Hayward just got a brand new deal, but to it is has been. Guarantees chomping at the bit just to get out there and make plays and he was so dominant at the beginning of two, thousand, nineteen. I did a whole show on him on my let's ride morning show about how he's the key to defense. He's the key to the steelers not making on Hargrave I still do believe that. I think he's GonNa come out and he's GonNa just he's going to be wanting to dominate in the I'm sorry the giants offensive line as a whole is not impressive to me I view like the this could be if they get Daniel Jones in the third and long, it's going to be raised to the quarterback. It's going to be who can get their first to get this act, and so it's just a matter of whether they can do that. So we just the defense David's good offense offense I want to do it I i. don't WanNa take okay. Brian go ahead if you want to know offense I, go for it. Well unchanging my answer because of the deontay Johnson injury. So I'm really going to say. Either GonNa see James Washington but I'm looking at Eric Hebron here. I really think that he is going to be have to be the guy that is going to lead this team. In receptions a little bit more. He's GonNa have more of an opportunity to with all of those wide receivers I'm thinking it's going to be Ibran he's Johnson not being out. There is going to put a lot of eyes on Juju Smith Schuster. So I think it's going to be. That's going to get the opportunities. David go ahead. Well. Let me just say I'm not ruling out. deontay Johnson today was the basically the first practice for the week although it was really their third. Was the first injury report? So it's really tomorrow will really tell a story. Can he get out there for at least a limited action? Remember Judy was the same way last year for week one, he had a foot injury and he ended up being able to come and play but I like Brian Shifting Gears there I'm going to go a little bit different route I think you gotta be looking a player to watch is GonNa Look Zach Banner you've got to see how much did he grabbed that role rather than win it by default and to see that that's what the steelers are going to do and have an ad not feel the need to have to put Matt filer back at tackle and know that that's the job it's being done there you gotta protect you know I would say I would also would have thrown maybe like it was new, but we don't you know. We assume to Castro's not flying, but that's what you got be looking. So you can even say that right side of the offensive what? Both good answers. I'M GONNA go with the guy that has a heck of a lot to prove this year because it's likely as last year and that is James Connor. Oh I think James Connor. I didn't James Connor who's he's been healthy in training camp and he's getting disturbed with a clean slate and everyone he trust me he's a guy that knows exactly what said about him he hears everything the people were saying how he can't stay healthy he can't do it. He's not the bell cal he's not the guy. It's up to him to actually put the. I. Think what Brian's earlier was spot on navy. The Desk Ben Rothlisberger statistic is two hundred total yards team rushing in one hundred those going to James Connor something like that where they can run the ball effectively that's going to be critical. So there you have our offense and defensive players to watch in this upcoming game on Monday night football. When we come back from this break, we're GonNa Talk X. Factors Ban Izzy. Betting odds and we're going to give you our predictions stay tuned. We'll be right back.

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Steelers Stat Geek: Is Ben Roethlisberger still the biggest passing threat in the AFC North?

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Steelers Stat Geek: Is Ben Roethlisberger still the biggest passing threat in the AFC North?

"Pittsburgh and welcome back to another episode of steeler Stack Eke. This is behind the steel curtain. Deputy editor Dave scofield coming at you once again live on a Tuesday night with my most favorite is person to speak to my big brother. How's it going bro? Your most favorite is person to speak to yes. I talked to my wife. Both my phone most favorite is brother to talk to you. You're the best brother I ever had. Yep so how's it going? How holding up Tired of this. Yeah I would not have half an inch of snow on the ground now. O- not only am. I stuck inside at home working all the time. I want to go outside and new things. They're gonNA have an interest on the ground the debt. That's funny tired of this. At least to get warm so I can go fishing or something. So you know my My my apple blossoms were out today. What a difference. One hundred miles makes so. Wow so it's funny because I actually saw mouth. We're anywhere close to this. I actually saw it was because on. Twitter T. J. Watt like the video by his brother. J. J. Watt who was in Wisconsin and he was outside. He was wearing a sweatshirt. He's like people it snowing sideways here in Wisconsin and you can see the snow landed on him. But I guess that's how it is in some places it was a little bit chillier here today but it got above fifty here and you have a half an inch of snow so we WANNA ground. I've been able to tell since it got dark if there's any more but that is that's ridiculous. It's raining here so of course it would be snowing up in the mountains. And that's that's pretty interesting. So yeah that's kind of a kind of disheartening. A little bit but although some people would say good football weather yeah good football weather but not in April not in April so That's interesting we got people. Check it in say it. How it's how it's our cold where they are There's Dennis he's coming in from California. I don't think I don't think he's the only snow right now. you're seventy four says just note? No no snow. It's just cold there in Providence Kentucky and everything and I just happy to be back talking about steelers. It's interesting because there's so much to be excited about. We're going to talk a little bit a little bit about draft stuff the next show. 'cause we will be doing both shows tonight so that's some stuff coming up with QNA But we're mainly going to keep that show a lot of QNA. Were mainly just going to ask. The question of people see what the live chat has to say and then just kind of turn it over there but for now. Let's see any kind of interesting news. It's funny because the the steelers signed to ex players this week one of them was player players to see their. You're talking too fast. Xfl F. L. players. Yeah I thought we saw that one of one of the next player in yeah probably about that signing is it was the first one that was reported from the xfl for by the steelers but yet it was the last one they announced so we didn't even. I got a hold of Jeff. Hartmann said to do this article again. This was two weeks ago. They announced it was going to happen. And they just now got around to making a fisheries. I now believe it so Steelers are still doing a few things. One was a was a wide receiver. Who WENT TO PENN STATE? So who had bounced around with some practice squads? He Played One game in two thousand eighteen but didn't have any didn't have any catches as a wide receiver. I can't remember the name right now but I'm sure some of the live chat. We'll probably remind me It's I think it starts with a K. But that's and that's that's interesting so that's pretty. Oh steeler fan seventy four brought up something else I was GonNa ask you about this Christian. Mccaffrey a new deal. Got SIXTY MILLION DOLLARS. A season over four seasons What are your thoughts on him? Resetting the running back market. If you know what I mean. He's not all right. We we thought. Well let's rephrase yes we thought but he really thought Labour on bell really thought that you know. He was a dual threat. Let's just watch that up. Left home got Christian. Might be a better receiver running back. I mean that that is the dual threat guy. So it when you're putting up over a thousand yards both Then we're talking about something. Yeah and what's what's crazy is couple years ago? I mean just think it was not last year not the year before the one before that I deal. If I recall the I would love you on bell it. That was forty two million for three years. So that was a fourteen million dollar per season on average deal. That was insulting and he didn't take it so someone who was to me that much better than him. Got that much more. Which when you think about it to our season when you're talking already double digit. Millions is some me. I'm glad that he did not sign that deal levy on bell. Because I don't think know that what McCaffrey's getting paid has also taken into account adding the seventeenth gang. Well that's not for this year but no gal was well. Here's it's interesting now because every every new contract now should have that verbiage in it and that was not something I didn't hear about the McCaffrey thing but I wasn't looking at it that closely. That's that's a really good question. Did they add the verbiage? They needed to add in order to account for that Seventeenth Game. Because if it doesn't have in it like all of the contracts signed before the new. Cba that you just get an extra paycheck of what your paycheck was for the season but now with now they know that that's coming. That's going to be part of the language that's in there. That's a good question something to look at going forward. Personally I would rather see. Maybe maybe we get a steeler that signs a new deal sometime. It would be nice to see. I mean some people want to see it. Some people don't but depre- long-term I would. I wouldn't mind to see that if it was less than what the salary cap numbers are. Let's recap what am I trying to say franchise tag number Most importantly I love to see a new contract contract extension for one cameron heyward if that goes into play and says I want to see if anyone reports on is there anything in his contract that specifically talks about that especially since I would assume that right now came hayward is now the player Rep for the NFL PA for the steelers because Ramon foster retired and he was the alternate so I assume he kind of stepped into that role. So That's interesting. I just found it interesting. Comparatively really glad the steelers didn't some people thought thought maybe bow was worth that much. I thought that was a little bit too much. But you also gotta look at it now that that the panthers aren't massively paying a quarterback as much as they had been let's just say. I don't think they signed Teddy Bridgewater for near what Ben Rothlisberger count against the CAP. I can't remember exactly what he signed for. So it's kind of interesting just to kind of see how it all plays out a little bit. But let's let's jump into this topic that we have for tonight because I find it very interesting. I did a series of articles of the last week and over the weekend that because I was given actually it was forwarded from Jeff Hartmann but they they let us know certain certain oddsmaker. Send US their odds for us to include in articles in the odds that we got was I started off with the odds for T. J. Watt to win defensive player of the year. He was at four to one odds tied with his brother. I found very interesting. So they were but they they four one one. Four two one. Where did that come from? Eleven to one art odds eleven to one odds They were just behind Aaron Donald Nick Bosa Donald was seventy one Bosa was nine to one. And then the watt brothers were eleven to one but what I found really interesting is when they went into odds for a quarterback to lead the league in passing now. I know that doesn't equate when you say when you take two players and you look at their odds to lead the League in passing if one of them has better odds than the other doesn't necessarily mean that they're going to have more yards than that person they're just saying the odds of being ahead of everybody else is better which you can kinda say that but but kind of not but I was really surprised. Not just where Ben Rothlisberger fell but where everyone else fell so for those of you. That didn't know I'm going to bring it up. Ben Rothlisberger Right now is currently forty two one to win the passing title remember. He wanted two years ago the last time he played a full season he led the League in passing so forty two one coming off of his injury which probably has a lot to do with it. But then I looked at just the AFC north. Who Do you think or? Did you read my Article? I don't know if you did or not. Bro I started to it. I did not just this one was on full. Go Up yeah but I ended up not reading it. The the question was who do you think had has the best chance to lead the League in passing according to the odds makers in the AFC North Dome just now eighty dollars not that far behind. Berger we'll talk about any dot and a little bit because that's that's pretty interesting. Actually so they actually give it to. Oh don't tell the Jackson because he's too much run. Not only did they give it to Jackson. They have Lamar Jackson. Act Ten to one to win the passing title. That is tied for sixth time. They had drew brees at five to one. Mahomes at six to one Rodgers Ryan and Brady at eight to one and then they had an. I thought both of these were funny tied at ten to One. Lamar Jackson Dak Prescott. Just I mean compared to Russell Wilson at sixteen to one you know especially when you think Dak Prescott is gonNA turn turn around. Hand the ball off the Zeke Elliott. So much numbers would. Here's what's crazy is of more runs the ball you know when you went to odds to win the rushing title. There was one player on the list who was not a running back. And that was Lamar Jackson. Okay he so. He made the list. I think it was like thirty seven or thirty eight players that they had listed for that for for rushing and he was on that list but ten to one to me. That's Vegas trying to get a sucker bet trying to get someone who say oh he won the MVP last year. Oh his team was the number one seed. Oh that's good bad. You know ten to one. We'll put it on here no way no way. I mean the numbers don't match up and we'll get to that in a second. He was at ten to one Baker Mayfield. They had had a better office. He was thirty three to one. You have to understand there. There's more than just the quarterback going into making these off. It's absolutely and that's why Baker Mayfield's head office burger as you look at the fact that he's got. Yeah it'll be Jay and and Landry Landry's throw the ball to They look at his receivers and that's why he gets a bump. Absolutely I understand that. Part of the reason ben down is because you know he's not throwing a ball ab anymore juju had an injury riddled bad year last year. And you guys are so young. They don't WanNa rank on them. So you know I like I like that. He has to good receiving alternatives at the tight end position. That's going to help with all that but just got me thinking when I compared how the odds for them to win the passing title to me with Ben Rothlisberger that that is less about how many yards. He's GonNa Throw Four. And is he going to be able to play? Play right away and play used to play. That's to me that forty to one. That's all that's about because when you really I mean let's put these guys in order in the AFC North let's review. Let's review. Let's have a history lesson let's look at last year last year. Leading the AFC. North and passing was Baker Mayfield. Eager `field three thousand eight hundred twenty seven yards second place in the. Afc North was probably Jackson because he played enough games. Try Andy Dalton. Are you getting benched for three games? Remember accident play the last game of the season. But still he still wasn't close enough that he was gonNA catch him. Andy Dalton was was six yards shy of thirty five hundred yards. He was three thousand four hundred ninety four yards last year. Then it was Jackson at three thousand one hundred and twenty seven yards. Okay Ben Rothlisberger. In two thousand eighteen had five thousand one hundred twenty nine yards so he had two thousand and two yards more in two thousand eighteen then what Jackson the MVP had twenty nineteen now the reason he was VP's because of all the other things he was doing with the running everything else. He threw a ton of touchdowns he just didn't have the arts. So you look at that and you think come. What are they GONNA do honestly? I'm not shocked if Jackson is fourth this year and I still don't know who's thrown for Cincinnati because everyone thinks it's assumes it's going to be Joe Borough the borough wants to go to Cincinnati West talked about that whereas in the live chat he he a special guest bottle with Brian last night. I was supposed to be on that show as well but I told Brian I couldn't couldn't start to. My wife was off work and he started to soon so I wasn't able to jump on so I kind of missed meeting West via video. That would but but he brought up the whole notion of he doesn't have the Joe. Joe Boroughs really wants to go to Cincinnati. Either what's going on there and here's the other interesting thing about. Cincinnati is still the Andy Dalton fact. Everyone's I call with Andy Dalton any Dalton's set to make the last I looked. I'm pretty sure that any set to make seventy million dollars this season. It's his last year. Not only that. I'm pretty sure there's not dead money with it. I think it's just a flat up. Seventeen million dollars. I often away. He goes but they haven't done it yet. They haven't done it yet because of the draft and people are like. Oh well there's no harm in just waiting to after the draft to see if you get everything for everything lines up. Maybe someone gives you deal bits two too good to be true and you have to you. Decide to go trade back out of that pick and then you can go with other things and thinking dolphins dumbs. GonNa be alright if we get him some weapons but the other thing you have to go there w have to go through. There is okay. You draft You Know Old Joe. Yeah and You can't sign yeah forces where he pulls the hand. Yeah Yeah. One of those deals absolutely. Yeah that's what West saying he. He's I'm pretty sure it was west of brought that up There were saying that. Not sure that it's not that's not completely out of the picture so that's one thing. Yes but it's mark they're hol they're holding. Dalton he's the he's the insurance policy for what they have what they want to have gone. But here's the here's the chance they're taking okay? Let's say they decide they're just gonNA cut him after the draft. They moved up the date for the compensatory formula. Cut Off to the Monday after the draft. No one's going to sign him before that date that means he if he signs a contract somewhere. The bengals aren't GonNa have him to to enter into the compensatory formula and the chemo signs. I don't think they care but not only that the team that signs him. It's not gonNA hurt him. So that's another thing that you gotta think about right. But I don't think Cincinnati had away. What would they rather have rather have shot at that cop pick or do they need the insurance policy? Don't right now but the bigger the bigger need there is that insurance policy of any Dalton if they end up with nothing for than happy because everything will have worked out the way they really wanted to I west. West confirmed I was right. I was like I was given wes credit for stuff. And I'm like wait a second. I don't think that was Tony. Said I'm pretty sure it was west. So it's good to know that I was right so I know you wouldn't get Brian Credit for anything so Brian. Seib like he was he was just trying to. That was interesting. Watching those guys draft people. I think Bryan made some crazy pics. Then then at the end I said who I thought the steelers would take. That was left and Brian accused me of trying to pick someone that that Tony drafted but here Tony drafted. Aj terrel for some for a team. And I said Tara Lewis and Brian just assumed he was gone But anyway that that's a whole different story. Yeah but so so. I'm not one hundred percent sure. That job is going to be the quarterback for the for the for the bengals. I would say if I had to bet that's who I would say but I don't think it's set in stone until even if he is he's not GonNa lead the AFC north and passing exactly exactly but the question would be if that's someone that will Jackson with Roy Moore yards for. So which which I think. So bottom line is if you took Baker both Baker Mayfield and Lamar. Jackson had their most passing yards in their career last season. Which makes sense because it was there. It was their second year in the League and they had more than the although which was funny. Mayfield only had just over one hundred yards more last year than he did his rookie year and his rookie year. He played three games so it was a little bit down for him last year but neither one thousand yards Jackson was like I said not much over three thousand yards Ben. Rothlisberger has six seasons of where he's thrown over four thousand dollars. Andy Dalton has to but what so my thing is you have an order for Ben Rothlisberger to not lead the AFC north and passing yards this year. He would have to either a miss multiple games much like last year. Or Or. Even you know he'd he'd have he'd have to miss at least four games or more. In my opinion I think he could even do playing fifteen games if he if he does well with US. Fifteen but the other the other option is if he's even average. Ben Average over his career. Ben He still has a great chance to do that now. Leading the division and yards passing isn't the ultimate goal. That's not what guys are shooting for. You know so you have to remember this. Part of the reason Jackson has less numbers is because he doesn't have to put them up. I mean Ben Roethlisberger if you're if you were to look at his passing yards over his career which I just so happen to have appear in front of me. Oh Yeah Obviously the the year which he threw for the fewest passing yards was last season when he only had three hundred and fifty. Love the game. If if you go that then. The next few was one of those seasons where he only played twelve gangs. He didn't even get to twenty five hundred passing yards but that was two thousand and five what what happened in two thousand five season to death along. Come here have been what I for dinner yesterday. How about the steelers won the Super Bowl? We say you're like wait a second. You're saying what happened in a five. Okay first of all what. I'm trying to remember that. Point in time is two thousand five. Where was I live in two thousand and yeah remember they want in two? It was played in two thousand six but it was the two thousand five hundred that throws that always. That always gets me. That always gets me. Oh side note saul video on twitter yesterday. Maybe really reminisce of sitting. You're sitting in your living room watching the Tennessee. Titans come up one yard short this. You're watching that super bowl together. Do you remember the name of the player that made the tackle hold on inside linebacker? Yes once they wore fifty one. You might be right with the number much. Could see the number. I'm just trying to remember. Was it it was a Mike Brown. Yeah not a guy would ever think that would make that play named it? Didn't stand out but if you saw that you're like Oh may WanNa throw it so short. It looked for sure like he had the ankle to get in there with an inside linebacker on him and he just made a great play. That's to me. That's that's I love Ben Rothlisberger tackle Against the colts in the play offs in that in that two thousand five season but to me. That's the best tackled a super bowl because of of what it meant to what happened but anyway that was good reminiscing. Ben ROTHLISBERGER YARDS IN K. The three times the steelers made the Super Bowl. That's three she can count. That's three of his bottoms yards for this in two thousand eight now. Two thousand ten was another year. You only played twelve game so that was also down. Twelve Games. Play through for thirty two hundred yards. But but my thing is sometimes when you're having a successful season it doesn't always mean that you are throwing darts. It really depends on how the Games play out. How are you winning your games? Are you winning a lot of games with last second field? Goals like they were in two thousand seventeen correct cups of the arts. So so there's that but I'm just saying. Even if ben comes back and has an average year just an average Ben Rothlisberger Year in two thousand twenty. He's going to throw for more yards than what Jackson three or four and two thousand nineteen is the. Mvp You know so. I still think you go into week one next season. And you know we all we all know. We're just a similar going into week. One next season you look at your another team. Let's say you're let's say you are the start the NFC east who is having to play the AFC north this year. If you're if you've got a couple north matchups let's say you have one week two and week four. You're going into week. One go into that week one game. If you're going to be scouting look other stuff. Which quarterback scares you? The most through the Air India was Burger until he comes back and shows that he's not going to play that way teams are going to have to assume that. Ben Is still the man through the air in the AFC north of that's his title. That's who he is until he. I mean let's just say I don't think these other guys are good enough to knock him off. It's going to be more about Ben than it is about the other guys yet. If if you're a team in the NFC and you that we to game in your in your feeling like you're weak on the back end you're worried about having to play right off a spur now if you're talking about too you don't WanNa have to gain planned for early on. I'm sorry yes it is. I don't I still don't think Baker Mayfield is instilling. Fear anyone to go in starting the two thousand twenty season but I would say Lamar Jackson is but it's not because of his pure deep passing game. Exactly yes he is. He is the bigger threat. But now I'm talking about strictly from passing standpoint right is the passing of chili gets yards through the air. It's still Ben Rothlisberger. Yeah Yes yes so. I find this interesting. They they forty to one odds man. If the if the gaming establishment would happen to be open across the river Beef between now and when the season starts. If that's still the line and I can go through that one. Third Twenty Bucks. I put down a Jackson on that. I would definitely do that because last year. I threw twenty bucks on the steelers to win the Super Bowl at twenty to one odds. But do you know? They ended up as low as like eighty to one. I could've got at one point but I just did it for fun last year. Just just to do it. I mean basically I go over. Make sure I finished up twenty bucks because I kind of know what I'm doing when it comes to playing blackjack and then I'll take what I went and put it on a sports game because it's fun so these kind of turned to drop that twenty bucks on Rothlisburger forty two one at forty two one. Yeah so I'm gonNA bring this up. I haven't been paying attention to live chat not at all but I did see this on the top of my screen right now as I looked at it which was W H H. That says unless Ben Falls off a chair you know which are motorcycle ride without a helmet. yet see and that's kind of stuff that we were dealing with Early in the career. But that's that's I think he is the passing King of North until he can't do it anymore because I still don't see for this year. I don't see one of those guys putting up. I don't see any. There's guys putting up top Ben Rothlisberger numbers. It's not like someone else is going to come in. I see right now and throw for five thousand yards like Ben Rothlisberger did in two thousand eighteen now. Granted what Ben Roethlisberger happened to throw for five thousand yards. But I also don't see anyone else showing that they're going to do but a form those guys even his four thousand yard you'll look at it and say. Oh my gosh. What a season they had absolutely i. That would be a great season for for any other quarterback in the north four thousand yards. I would say Kudos man. They had a good year. That'd be good for it would be good for rothlisberger coming off injury to but wouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised to know that. Yes like if you had to bet money on on which quarterback in the AFC north would hit four thousand yards next year. This coming it's definitely on Ben. Rothlisberger is not going to be four to one four to one odds he'd be more like at wonderful odds. You wouldn't even get money on him. I think it's I think it's that much but you know he's got enough looking over career to look at to say you know He. We know he can do it because he's done. Yeah nobody else in. It really has so absolutely absolutely but the other thing that also comes into play with this I was going to mention. This is a lot of times. You're thrown for a lot of yards. You're not getting the most yards on the ground now. It's just kind of just a peek at it a little bit. What about the running backs from the north running back from the north you have Mark Ingram? You have nick job. You Have Joe Mixing you have James Connor. Those were the guys when they were doing yards. Those were those were the guys for those teams as being their main guys. If you had to put those in order of your confidence how where would connor fall there? I have an idea where I would put him confidence that on an ongoing yet him the most the most rushing yards running back in the in the AFC. Jimmy get the most running yards still be tempted growth with Mark Jackson. Yeah that's well that's true. I honestly it's funny because what we're GonNa came to the AFC north when it came to leading the League in Rushing Jackson was on it. He was behind connor because of course he's a he's not running back so that kind of makes sense but One of those guys was in the top three. Really one of those guys was in the top three man. It was number three with eight to one odds. Let's see the one in the in the in a lot of people that live chat were saying they'd have him last The anyone thought who would. Who would be the top Brad? Brad has its realist. Chuck Jobless at eight to one odds third third most third-highest have all running backs to diva wide receivers. Yeah I on. I understand but yet he assured you have do I but some people might yell. Yeah Oh gosh I said yeah but I wouldn't mind. Chubb was wearing a black golden. Yeah exactly yeah so like the guys. Good the I'm just not sure he's going to get that in. I'm just not sure that he's should be getting that good at odds partly because of where not even so much as where he plays but yes. He's playing in Cleveland. But also I just can't get over the to the to diva wide receivers being happy. If job is leading the League in rushing unless Cleveland's undefeated absolutely I know exactly what you mean because there's just so much to go around but I as you were saying that I had an idea strike me and it also goes back to the Lamar Jackson thing and I'm really curious what other people think about this as well. How much does fantasy football factor into these audits players are high on these on? These people are hiring these names because these players put up amazing fantasy football numbers but it doesn't mean that they were the numbers that were good enough to lead the league in the stats. You know what I mean. 'cause I mean Chubb was a beast fantasy football. Does that mean that he's going to be in a situation to get the yards the lead the League? I don't know that's that's tricky. But Chubb Loot Sixty one next believe it or not was mixing at Sixteen to one and then Ingram at eighteen to one and then connor at twenty to one so they have him with the longest odds to win but a lot of that once again has to go into his now up so when I when when land was asking me about what the show is about tonight and he said something about also. The running back comes into play He said out of those four players he would put Connor. Thir- healthy James Connor third. He would put him behind job and ingram but ahead of Nixon. I think Mixon's a great back. I think mixing in the worst situation because they don't have enough that's why in Cincinnati so he's I think he's a good back but he's not a good situation there. Forget to jump back. We did have a super chat from Alfred. I'm going to try to to butcher. That one last name he he throws a dollar ninety nine of the tip jar for those of you. That don't know what that is. The Super Chat Feature. You can type in something. Ask a question like that. Hit the dollar sign. Donate any amount of money you want to the show. We put it in the tip jar and will make sure we bring up your question. He says knee draft capital next year to trade up for Lawrence. People get so enamored by the guy that's going to be out in the following drafts and I want to remind you of something I want to remind you. I wish I could even bring up the year. There was a year in which quarterback was possibly going to go first overall possibly go first overall and he chose to go back to college and the first overall pick when he finished up the next year. Where did he go? Third round? Matt Barkley He was going to be a top ten pick possibly top five big. Maybe even first overall decided to go back to college and ended up taking the third round the next year. Now I know. Trevor Lawrence's looked great since he was a freshman in and stuff. But you know what to was the consensus by far number one. Pick at this time last year for this coming draft. The question is is he gonNA fall as he gonNA fall. You just don't know that it's going to work out but everyone so convinced that that's what's going to be. I'm not I'm not saying it's not going to be. I'm not saying I just think it's not guaranteed that he's gonNA giant next year too early to be looking at next year and and honestly. I don't like trading up for a quarterback. I don't like because if you're going to have a young quarterback unietd also have stuff around them and I don't. I don't think the steelers are worried about two thousand twenty one. They haven't made any of their moves this year. With two thousand where? It looks like they are worried about two thousand twenty one and what? They're going to do there so I don't think the last thing on their mind right now is getting more draft capital for that year other than the fact that they are lined up to get at least two if not three complex. Which could be helpful. But I married everyone at stole or back. I'm not did you read Tony Article? Which one about the draft about draft stuff? He was talking about actor but he was a kid. And the and when he got into the steelers drafts. And I'm trying to remember because a lot of times Tony's articles are in. There are ready to be brought up. He gets so far ahead that we jeff gets behind with publishing and I'll read them days before they come out sometimes. I'm not always sure which one you're talking about working. He thought the steelers. We're GONNA draft running back then. It was That year I'm trying to remember. The articles has renewed bay. We ended up drafting a defensive. End that he'd never heard of and you only talked to the guy played. We went all that great this and that he said but you said you forget the steelers ended up doing things like you know the very following year in the draft Carnell Lake. And you know where you're like all excited about the guy we pick it in the first round but it's the guy we pick in the second or third round ends up being yep of thirteen fourteen year player eight time pro bowler you so. Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I'm you know what we're going to focus on the next show being all about draft stuff. We're going to. We have a question that we're going to start asking about draft and we're going to turn it over to the QNA we let you all. Ask Questions we'll let you make statements all these things. So you've gotTa make sure we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA finish this one up here and you've got to make sure that you have your notification ready. We'll be not even five minutes on Youtube and we'll be back in order to talk all kinds of draft stuff. I know people have been talking about the live chat. I wish you could go back and read it all now but I'm GONNA try. Just make sure we get into it with the next show. Is there anything else you WANNA talk about here? You want to stop anything about the passing rushing. Afc North stuff or do you. Are you ready to get on and let and do some interacting with with the latch? I wouldn't even imagine. Afc North at that. A lot of the coaches even at a guy wearing purple down east here would probably be the first to admit that Ben is the king and until Ben is no longer the kick. Yes they I mean. I think everyone knows it that Benz the man until Ben you know it's kind of like in the AFC East until he chose to leave and go to the NFC it wasn't even just the AFC east. He was the King of the AFC. Number twelve was right. He was king the NFC until he decided to go to Tampa right so that was his. That was his title. I mean even with another quarterback winning the Super Bowl this year. I'm sorry. Tb twelve was still still the king but now it's a whole different story so I says Hey Alfred was going to address Alfred. Just hang hang out on the page for a little bit because we'll just be a couple of minutes and you'll see the next show pop right up. Go to youtube go to channel. You don't even have to wait. For the notification there are people that get on the live chat because they know the show was coming. And they're in the live chat before we even hit go live which is when the the notifications go out so you can already be there. If you're on the channel just refresh the page until the new show show shows up which will be just a few minutes after this one ends. So I'm excited about this about the next one. I just have have an interesting question that we're going to start off with and we're going to open it up to the live chat and to both answer it and then going of things so. I think we have a general consensus. Ben Is the man Ben. Until Ben is no longer the man and it's going to be more about Ben and less about the other guys at least for this year at least for this year until they really show that they're going to. They're no one's going into twenty twenty thinking that that they're going to throw more for more yards than Rothlisberger in north but like I said Jackson's a whole different monster that he's a whole different thing to game plan around so a lot of fun so I. WanNa thank you all for being here in the live chat. I really hope you join in on the next show. I listen to this and audio platform. There's been a problem with Youtube and having the audio available for us when we normally would in the morning they jeff usually had them rolling out around. Four am now. It's coming like you said around eleven or even noon sometimes so you don't have to wait as long for the next show that comes out in the afternoon so make sure if the one thing that you're doing for us more than anything is making sure you're hitting thumbs up on Youtube making sure you're you're giving that positive rating on the whatever podcast formulas to and another thing you can do. Make sure you're checking out behind so curtain dot com. Because we've got all kinds of all kinds of great crazy stuff there for you. That's crazy because some of it is kind of crazy If you've read any O'Brien's Antonis articles. Sometimes they they they go. I still love Tony. 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For the interruption. But I'm Mike wilbon I had an incredible time with all star weekend down in Charlotte. Tony how's your weekend? I'm Tony Kornheiser went to the emergency room at Sibley and the doctor shoved a foot and a half of gauze up my nose and having fights in the streets. No fights this nose bleeds. I've now had ple- major nosebleeds in a four or five day period. Third grade. That's you know, what reminds you that to kids and the elderly you're not Hildegunn actually elderly. I have haven't humidifier in every room in my house now, and I have this stuff, and you have gone I have caused nasally coded goes the first night was worse. They put a balloon alone well below. I'm going to beat TI boys and girls in today's episode. Keep your eyes on my nose one out in the middle of the discussion. And we begin today with the NBA all star game pleasant exhibition that is only offense even standing in front of a player with the ball frowned upon. Kevin Durant who was on one of those twos. Upside teams was named the MVP after scoring thirty one points. This gives him a second all-star MVP to go with his two finals MVP and his one overall NBA MVP will bond, can you see Durant being the future face of the NBA? Not really Tony. I can see and being the best player in the NBA because he ain't far from net. Now, if you still consider LeBron one to Kevin Durant right there. But Tony the notion of joy to me. And this started with the merger so nineteen seventy six seventy seven truly serving the face of leak instantly. Yeah. Coming from outer space, almost it was Julius Irving. You agree go. Well, not out spe ABA. Island boy Roosevelt high school, and then it was jointly magic and bird who reinvented the game, then Jordan, Jordan. And what did they all have in common is certain joy either in our full dry or they're LeBron either. And it's been for a couple of years, even though you know, that people are gonna frown upon this for people of a certain nature's means everybody under thirty Steph curry, and so there's a joy that that that transfers of either the personality or the game. Kevin durant? Don, data and do that. He doesn't seem interested in it. I'm going to use words that you won't use. Because you like Kevin do I do like every he's a sour puss and court? He's a sour puss, and he's a scold. He's an angry scold all the time. There are lots of reasons he won't be the face of the NBA first voice thirty you usually don't get this alive. Yeah. By the time LeBron curry leave. He's going to be the kid. Okay. Do so for one he's this golden there's another reason to why he won't be because he. Cherry picked because he went from good team to an already championship team. He improved them. He's a great great player. But the NBA won't want to reward. Somebody who went from good to great on his own and left another team in the background. That's just the way it is. And not be LeBron LeBron from a team he leads in a finals to a better team with a hall of Famer who already won the same thing to me. Ron that team was assembled. It was not already there. Bosch was added. Lebron was at no, it's not it's not quite the same. And the NBA, you know, who's going to be the face of the next phase to the NBA is going to be a foreign born player. It's either going to be onto compo. It's going to be Luca Danni makes the choice Globo once a try. That's a are glow. That's, but that's where it's going to be you think gonna number one in Duke blue those items that has the shot shot. He got shot. Got to Chuck does company. Knicks. We'll we'll never get enough of that. He'll be on every day twenty four seven. Okay, that'll happen. Okay. Remember a couple of weeks ago, and it was attributed to Anthony Davis that he didn't want to be traded to Boston and sign long-term with the Celtics. Well, now, there's backtracking and it's coming straight from Davis. This time that is agent not as father three times an immediate chat. David said, quote, I never said Boston was not on my list close quote. And he added, quote, they are on my list close, quote, he went as far as to say on NBA TV that all twenty nine teams all except the pelicans therefore are on said list. Tony what if anything does this mean for future? Well, it means that he's not talking was dead because his dad stood up there and said essentially over my dead bodies this going to Boston. So what they did to Isaiah talk. Yes. So that's one thing that we could say I had also heard that that while he may have said this about the Celtics. He said everybody's out there small market. Large market. I just wanna win. This is his agent Rich, Paul doing damage control. Rich Paul tried to muscle up and get the Lakers to get Anthony Davis in a day and a half outside of New Orleans, and he failed and this is an attempt at damage control. It's it's great for whatever team. He lands with. And I guess almost everybody's implant. That's fine. This is not Rich Paul. It is decidedly not Rich Paul. It's Anthony dated. He swat swat anybody. Because I guy was silver made Rich Paul villain in the piece. We there was a question about the Commissioner is it about Anthony Davis. Well, but I'm saying. Got tired of this. I told Joe weeks ago he was conflicted. He hated what was going on. Anthony Davis is not an outspoken defiant. Doesn't have Kevin Durant personality. Anthony Davis got a little fed up here. You don't have to hate your father or your agent. You can just say guys, I'm a handle this. Now, that's fine. Everybody's on my list here already sitting Milwaukee earlier on this is not Rich, Paul fingerprints. These are Anthony Davis. But we're going to disagree on rich falls the effect effective because Adam silver said one of the things he specifically said was we can't have people to Manding trades and saying where they once. Right. I think that Anthony Davis is a great player who improves every team except the team that doesn't want a big man to do all those things. But now, I wonder and when I say damage control do people look at Anthony Davis, and they say, well, what does his attitude going to be if he's here? What is he going to be going to look Anthony Davis body of work, which attitude? Up until the last ten fifteen days. What we've loved this kid for X number of years. That's what we think he is. According to his lawyer now that Colin cabinet has settled his lawsuit against the NFL. He quote, absolutely still wants to play unquote. Clearly, this is about still playing in the NFL because cabinet recently deliberately priced himself out of the women. Do you think settling this lawsuit has changed kaffir? Knicks prospect, not in the least interesting these are vengeful men. I told you this two and a half years ago, you stay here. He said he'll be back in the league. And I said, no he's not going to be back in the league. These are vengeful people. These are in some cases, in the culture that I happen to live in which also shares overlap with Colin Kaepernick loathesome at times people in terms of their behavior toward people who look like him, a friend who stand up for things that he and others of us believe in no now doesn't increases process, and there might be one or two guys who just. Duct the line. So you know, what this way before where were they? Okay. Where they've been. You know, what thank you for asking. Because I'm gonna explain great good. First of all, let us make sure that people understand cabinet won this lawsuit. Yeah. He beat the NFL's. They're paying him money. Now, if there are one or two owners out there, if the owner Carolina new owner a fairly liberal guy if the owner at New England for many, many years, the most liberal guy all of politics in sports ownership in the NFL, they might look at him differently. And here's how they are able to rationalize it because the lawsuit is over they cannot hide behind saying. I don't want to anger. My fellow owners wireless lawsuit is going on. I don't want it fan base. Now, they have an opportunity. Well, I think I think if if an owner takes him he has to say that doesn't have to what he's okay, if he says this call just wanna know are we going to public protests and of count says, you know, we're not because I think that's a fair question. I would love Colin Capri. Now, he's been paid. If you said, no, I'm gonna still pretend. That's fine. He. Only one person. Then I don't think he will be in the league but I- differently than you. I think binge rule depot they gotta give him money than anybody who looks like him money unless he dances. Boy. Wait. They don't wanna do that. They give a lot of people who look like him money today who stands stand and don't kneel, and we'll we'll we'll just go back to the agreed ninety two people money. Eric Reid is not the face and the president capper Nick is Eric read. I would tell you has been more outspoken than Nick. Collins is not even outspoken. That's right. And you need to know two things. Can he still play? Yes rhyme. Then I think it's fair to say if we take you because of the potential of tremendous distraction all the time with you and everybody else how are you going to act? It's fair question. Questions were all out there on the table for two years, and nobody inside them. I they are vengeful people all street the group. Yes, it's a vengeful men. But it don't get only one before. But it was the hand in the end. There was a lawsuit pending. And so now they've got to pay him the admit their guilt public think they're going to get over that. Yes. You have a lot more faith are kin. I do in those midnight two hundred to what time I do Steelers wide receiver Antonio Brown update. Tony in a Twitter, Q and A session. He'd say Ben Rothlisberger has an owner's mentality. Wow. There's that phrase again, meaning Big Ben faces no questions. For calling out, whomever. He wants including coaches, so tone. Let's get right to it. If you're Big Ben, and you've recently called Brown, a friend and said you want him back on the team. Are you still feeling that way? After hearing this. Antonio Brown has just come to the position that Ben Rothlisberger is diva. A he hasn't been paying attention, and he's been working on his own diva moves, okay, Ben Rothlisberger. Does and says what he wants and one of the reasons they let him do it. Because I want you to count the fingers. I have he's got to Super Bowl rips. He's got Brown. Only Tom Brady of act of quarterbacks has more and only ally manning has as many as two so I would tell you Ben Rothlisberger has earned some of that to the very specific question here if I'm Ben Rothlisberger. I'll take him back can catch. He can catch. He can you know, somebody by the way, if I'm Ben Rothlisberger. I've made fun of half the guys on my team. This is not the NBA this. The NFL where people are replaced and this replanning. But I thought you love when we helmets the. Okay. Been Rothlisberger says he wants what Tom Brady and say what he wants he call out people. He's holding out on the field when they miss a block as Ben Aaron Rodgers he and called out all the time. Okay. So also been rocked this burger, thanks to paying attention Antonio Brown, who's never paying attention except you Antonio Brown. Ben Rothlisberger hasn't done anything. They any big time winning quarterback has done as my opinion. That's right. If I'm Big, Ben. And I and I don't think Ben Robbins burgers as Vinci as the owners he works in a group. I think rothlisburger made very well taken back. I would say hit the role. Smith Schuster on one. So you'd like to have another unless you can make a trade and get somebody just as good ask somebody if you're Ben okay? Ben rothlisberger. You'll going to say keep them. I like. Let's listen to raw man for the Commissioner about the state of baseball relative to teams trying to lose as has been widely suggested Manfred said, quote, this narrative that our teams are not trying is just not supported by the facts every single team wants to win on quote. We'll bonus Manfred in denial that there's no tanking they'll tanking. There's no taking by the way, I described tanking. Don't tell me that. Sort of bottoming out briefly like the cubs like the Indians like the Astros, all and they're more. But those three come probably because they've been in World Series in the last three years. What is what is winning going eighty two and eighty for three or four years in a row, what is winning getting the players association on your side because they define the people that they're talking about those teams really try to win big winning. All win boldly win with some creativity. So I don't wanna hear this tank in baseball. There's tanking in the NBA because of the prize at the end of the rainbow immediately. That's not baseball. So I would say, and I think we're probably in agreement that in football and basketball, the drafts give you a more immediate reward than they say baseball. It's more of a crap shoot in baseball most of the time, and what you're trying to do is assemble prospects actually trade for players. That's what you form system is about. If you look what this what this is about on the players side is how come nobody's giving us more money. Yeah. How come we're not getting longer contracts? Trying to win you won't employ me for the last year's Genelius or the teams that had the lowest payroll Tampa had the lowest payroll. They won ninety games. The White Sox. They were bad their coq one was third. They won ninety seven games. They made the playoffs. The pirates one eighty two games. They were over five hundred in terms of team spending a lot of money. The giants spent the second most and they had nothing they seventy three games. The angels were number seven. They were below five hundred nationals were Arab I relations. So there's no reason to say it's wrong. So I think we agree. It's wrong. I do agree to take a break but coming up to Tennessee get exposed in its loss to Kentucky. Llama do Diablo dunk. Go down as one to remember shack. I don't know. I don't care. I got I got some technology truth brought to you by Tyco. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor, what's rats Janet's? Fangs did she lose up that with a weed whacker? Oh. Sint wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. Eat so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Rayle time were you pick the topics and by you, we mean people who may or may not be employed as producers on this I qualified program. Let me get shot at your nose careful does Tennessee's blowout loss to Kentucky. Meaning no longer take the Vall seriously for the title. It means nothing. I mean, I know was a blow out Kentucky was hit by morning twenty in this game. But Kentucky was coming off a loss. Tennessee playing in in erupt free to Rupp arena. Now a week from Saturday. Tony these teams play again, really Knoxville. Right. So if Kentucky goes in there and take your lunch money at the university of Tennessee, then we can have some real answers for that. But this isn't mean, Jack, my particular answer is that I never took Tennessee seriously really team that would win. No upset it on the show that would win the NCAA's not in the way. I take Duke seriously or Michigan seriously or Michigan state or Virginia and other. I think they're a very very good team. No disgrace. To lose Kentucky, Kentucky Kentucky is a very good. They should. Do. But I think if if there's a difference between the voted number one and being the best potential team out right now week out. No more nets of days out. I will take Tennessee in the rematch Knoxville Kentucky. I don't know yet. All know, what is out stuff? I don't know was that an all time dunk contest dunk by Ahmadou Diablo as a nice dunk, and it paid to Vince Carter, and it paid homage to shack by jumping over shack. And having the superman thing, it was nice, but Mike there's too many props. We've reached the point the guy from Atlanta gets out there, and he puts a by plane out there, and he kicks half of it. You know around the court. I mean, what is the only thing that is left to us now is alive Lama or alive polar bear, I I'm done. The right props Blake Griffin had to write property jumped over a car. And no one will forget that. That's right. So Blake Griffin today. But it'd been done by Vince Carter going back further Julius deductor Ving and Michael Jordan. That's often foul line with Jordan's paying homage to Julius nineteen years earlier JR rider, d Brown's twenty Dunton. I just didn't sell this to me. And by the way, three point five. Says needs to be the headliner on Saturday night. No longer minimum props after winning the Greek league title is Ripa Tino more likely to get a job in the states. Rick Latinos job status. His worthiness has nothing to do with winning in the Greek. It's whether somebody wants to welcome back with all the baggage Rick Pitino campus. That's it. That's all it whenever I can win. He went and Greece when Russia you can win in New York, and you're not we know that lucky because it's not one here and because he's in the hall of fame. So that is not the question. The question is will an owner of an NBA team put his arm around him and say this is our boy now, I don't I don't know because he can't go d one d one is out of the question at the moment rose. I believe I believe Rick Pitino could get a job at a D three school in college where he wouldn't have to recruit, and he could just coach and that would be his purgatory back, but winning in Greece at Razzie say in Argentina in Kenya. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I go into vision. I think the NBA team would take a chance because that's not that's not the one. That's the real one. I don't think so. Not yet. All right. Is this skill or luck? Okay. So this is a second and fifteen play sandiego fleet. There's no the senior West Indian fleets. Great nickname. There's no desperation of play. Like this a quarterback is being chased. He has his eyes on a specific receiver when he is hit and turned around. He knows where the receiver is. I think that is skill and not luck. Now, it only went it only went from minus one yard, but Patrick Mahomes through that we would not be having this. We'd say skill just tell me you didn't watch this live. I did not watch. Now. Pat you on the back because you know, I was watching some real skill. Maybe a little look if you're watching the women's lacrosse northwestern meeting Duke of hat me on the back to hard stuff on my nose for figures. Let's not go there. What his long as you didn't watch this live. You saw. What can I tell you? A great nickname. Let's take one last break it'll become Tiger Woods feeling cards by how he pleaded Riviera and Tony breaks down. What happened in Daytona this league that I check back in repeatedly? 'cause I wanted to the app. Time people have twenty seventh birthday Levy on Bill. Bill set out the entire season for the Pittsburgh Steelers. See didn't like being franchise for the second straight year. We talk all the time about in Tony Brown and Levy on bell. And how they are unlikely to ever play from Pittsburgh again. He's a Pro Bowl players in bells. Lastly full seasons in the NFL. He averaged two thousand yards from scrimmage in ten touchdowns is Bill going to be as great a player wherever he lands next as he has been with kids per no, I don't think so no happy anniversary. Nate Robinson on this day. Thirteen years ago. Robinson won the first of his three NBA dunk. Contest. Three Nate took a mind numbing fourteen attempts to complete his final gung which prompted changes in the rules for future on test. That was one of many examples of why the duck contest promised way more than it delivered. Which it still does the dunks in the all star game itself were better than the ones in the contest delete in the game lives on the strength of the three point outs. Great that point contest your headline of ounce. One by curry was great. Happy trails about twenty cars at Daytona. Watching this last night without ten laps to go. There was this wild multi-car. Ooh. With sparks everywhere on the track of cars twisted and smashed and spinning chaotically. The camera. Coverage was brilliant, the replays alone should get the FOX director AMI to say was anti-climactic when they finally finished the races and understatement continue Hammond. Driving for Joe Gibbs racing team was the eventual win like hearing when I found out about it the one with Joe Gibbs. Oh gibbs. So I was I was watching something a little more exciting. I check back in periodically to see that. Let's go to the big minute by the Knicks Bill Simmons report, the James Dolan escorting more for should he I don't know. But that would make a lot of people in New York. Knicks fans like you happy j b Holmes one revered tiger finished fifteenth. I'd be feeling coached. He had a real bad last night. But his energy going in this about JV homes playing a little quicker quicker trade Richardson had his third touchdown and two weeks in the app. She fell teams take notice with the. Lincoln Robin tells Peter King he will be shocked if five players get drafted ahead of Kyle Lowry. Will you be I'm not going to be shocked? I think he'll go in the top ten Lincoln Riley is coach but not shot notes defensive drift. Last one Bruce bocce announced today he will retire at the end of the season your thoughts. My thought is that three gets in three World Series championships. Get you in the hall of fame there. I think it does. What right trying to better the next time. I'm Sony corn. And I'm like Wilbad same time tomorrow. Knuckleheads. You can get the PTI podcast on the ESPN app or apple podcast, Dr Jody four-star. 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Steelers 2020 Training Camp Recap: Day 1

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Steelers 2020 Training Camp Recap: Day 1

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Just, go to next DOT COM and learn more about how your next answers can be the brains behind your business. Pittsburgh steeler fans this is Jeff Hartman. Co. Editor of behind the steel curtain dot com you for a training camp recap. That's right. Every time the Pittsburgh steelers have a padded practice. You will hear me or someone from behind the Steel Curtain Dot Com give you a quick rundown of exactly what took place on Monday the Pittsburgh steelers at Heinz field for the very first time in pads they had been practicing their due to the. And not being its aim veins Zeynep Vinson, college in Latrobe, and with that being the last two weeks more of an acclamation period more of the Ota type looks the mandatory minicamp looks than the traditional training camp that people are known to see when they head out to latrobe in western Maryland. However, there were still news to cover and we'll do that. Here in this short brief podcast first and foremost players that Mr Time today for various reasons you had Marci pouncey was given a personal day off. That was give granted by head coach Mike Tomlin Mike Tomlin also added the David Decastro although he was present did not participate. James Washington also did not participate in practice he did run the perimeter the field. During practice, Dave decastro did not do any type of conditioning practice and Chris. Warmly, he did some individual work but still on the sideline and that is something that Karl Dunbar Defensive Line Coach said that he's dealing with a lower body injury and so those with a four players that did not practice the latter three due to injury of some some way shape or form next. Ben Rothlisberger was back for the first time in twenty twenty since we of two thousand and Nineteen Ben Rothlisberger is throwing a football Heinz field. The last time fan saw this was the last time he played in a game and that was when he did he never returned after halftime against the seahawks last year Rothlisberger. Look good from all accounts from all records he was throwing the ball. Accurately. Had Good Zip on the ball I dunno if his. Spin rate was off to Mike Tomlin's standards is that was a criticism of Mike Tomlin earlier in the week but nonetheless, Rothlisberger was back. He did have shoulder pads on helmets no pants of any kind for him. That's considered a fully padded practice. A Don't expect to see much of Rothlisberger in the coming days they typically will have him practice, and then he'll get a day off before going again. So therefore, keep your expectations for his participation coming off that elbow surgery keep that in check. Very, very important. obviously Rothlisburger said he would be on a pitch count during camp during the special teams period. The other three quarterbacks that be Mason Rudolph Paxton Lynch in Devon Hodges through with quarterbacks coach met Canada watching Rosberg, her hundred midfield with as coordinator Radi Feeder. The highlight of the first padded practice wherever it is is always backs on backers, and this is a very common practice at Saint Vincent It always seems to be capped off by the Friday Night Lights practice at latrobe high school. This year, they did back on backers Monday. Not. Really Not. A lot of no worthy news coming from this drill as it normally is normal you hear about one or two particular players that are really doing well, that are showing up showing that they have a ton of potential now. At that time even when my Thomas with media after practice. He didn't give any specific names. We do know that two rookies, Alex Highsmith from Charlotte Third Round, pick in Anthony McFarland Maryland the running back. They had a healthy dose of repetitions in the backs on backers drill Some of the highlights the relisted by steelers Public Relations Department Tj Watt opened with a sweet move on tight end Vance McDonald to the surprise of no one newly-acquired tight end eric even earned cheers for his physicality. With Rookie Alex Smith. So highsmith goading as Iran Iran held his own, and that's not necessarily his forte meaning blocking nonetheless said Tomlin had no real specifics but did say that they're definitely going to be doing this drill more they're going to see more in the coming days. So keep an eye out for those drills Tomlin said, he just wants to see rookies get acclimated to the environment, an NFL competition period to those guys that are new to ball at this level. It's a period of adjustment. Are, I'd say the first full day of pads also featured tackling to the ground and only eleven on eleven periods in it was only the running backs who were taken to the ground. The final twelve minutes the steelers took their helmets off in had essentially a glorified walk through. This is all part of the collective bargaining agreement especially with the new collective bargaining agreement that. Was signed specifically for the twenty twenty season with covid nineteen in the such. So they're still ramping up they're going fourteen padded practices at some point in time they're going to really make sure that everyone is fully prepared to play in week one no preseason games. In case you're just checking in for the first time in a long time. No preseason games on twenty twenty it is literally. Going to be you get training camp and you go right in two week one for the Pittsburgh steelers. That's a trip to net life stadium in New Jersey to play the New York giants on Monday night football the early of the to the double header on Monday night football. Some standout plays were noteworthy. Vance McDonald caught a nice contested deep ball on the sideline overtop of Terrell Edmonds. That's not nice to see from a past Rothlisberger said, that was good rookie chase claimable who has Davor Lot talked about a lot of him being a red zone target has a nice leaping catch from Rothlisberger in the end zone. TJ making closing tackles in quick succession in the one live eleven on eleven period. Obviously, he got a lot of claps and shouts for his efforts. Is Anyone surprised by T. J. Watt doing that? I don't think so I know I'm not. is my tom was particularly animated watching the tight ends they were blocking the sled. After what he said, he kept an eye on the position group because they have a couple of new faces including Lebron watching during the sled drill emphasize the importance of blocking in the position. And then even Kevin Colbert showed his face and came over and watch the blocking Joe to. The steelers rookies were all active in the special teams session with coach Danny Smith. And surprisingly I was actually really surprised when I read this steelers did not pipe in any crowd noise or music in Heinz field it was. EERILY quiet, and I don't know if this was because the steelers organization was dried it obviously doing a livestream and missy matthews and might presume a steelers dot com for there and they were. Doing interviews with guys like woefully Anton. Shokhin new didn't WANNA go over those people but I was surprised they had no music or or crowd noise. But then again, maybe they're not doing that because they're not expecting to have that this season, we'll see if that changes in the coming days in weeks other than that. It was a pretty dull practice. I hate to say that, but it was the first padded practice I. Don't think having any NFL coach would like to say that they got through the practice with no injuries the steelers had some injuries going into practice but nothing reported you hear some other stories of players that are gone for the year on those notably of trae Wayne's of the Cincinnati. Bengals big. Trade acquisition for them. They picked him up from the Vikings. He is a torn pectoral muscles gonNA miss the vast majority of the season. You hate to see those injuries heck even gave on hargrave former Pittsburgh, steeler nose tackle gone to the Philadelphia Eagles. He has an injury that he's dealing with. He's GonNa. Miss some time. The steelers don't seem to have those players yet. Don't worry I just knocked on wood, but there's still a lot of training camp left again. You will get these brief recaps every evening that the Pittsburgh steelers have a padded practice. They're not meant to be longer than ten to fifteen minutes just to give you all the information that you need to know prior to the next practice. So this is day one this was training camp day one Heinz Field Pittsburgh steelers mission accomplished for day one will see a day tube rings. I will be back here with you the four that recap probably tomorrow evening therefore stick around to make sure you follow us anywhere that you get your podcast whether that's on itunes. If you do listen on eighteen. Make sure he was a five star rating. If you enjoy the content, it makes you gives a good comment. We really appreciate it helps their exposure to while listening on spotify follow the channel. Google play stitcher anger you name it even on Pandora if you go to. Pandora even if it's the free APP type behind the Steel Curtain, you will get our podcast platform there to enjoy we're literally everywhere. So it makes you check us out. So you get all the shows by morning show. Let's ride the steelers preview show, which is a PM show I do with Brian. Anthony Davis Dave. Scofield. You have Beck Black, the live Mike, the steelers retro show the steelers the SCO Bros.. Lunch brunch with Tony steelers Brunch with Tony and tales from two am I'm sure I'm missing something but we have a ton of shows view. Enjoy I. Hope you check those out. That's wrapped. They won in the books. Jeff, Hartmann stay. classy everyone. We'll see next time. Let's face it. The weeks are feeling really really long right now we could all use a little distraction. So listen to the distraction podcast. Hosted by former deadspin writers drew Gary and David. Roth the distraction is a new podcast about sports from defector stitcher. Each week, the guys in their guests will break down what happened on and off the field whether it's NBA players getting testy on the court and Weird on. INSTAGRAM. Horrifying takes from sports talk radio that need to be eviscerated. 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Steelers Stat Geek: What can we expect from the Steelers with Mason Rudolph and Minkah Fitzpatrick?

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Steelers Stat Geek: What can we expect from the Steelers with Mason Rudolph and Minkah Fitzpatrick?

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds. Check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior fan or fans welcome back to another episode of Steeler Stat Geek. This is Dave Scofield of behind on steel curtain coming to you with some numbers from steelers stuff in this past week and looking for what's coming up so here we league oh boy. It's been a crazy couple days for steeler fans. It's been absolutely insane when it comes is to bind the steel curtain dot Com and trying to figure out everything that's going on there but I could see already got some people coming in seeing that we're we're here live on Youtube. If you're not ever able to join us we go on generally sometime between nine o'clock at nine fifteen pm every Tuesday and we're in here. I already see people in the live chat talking about the trade talking about the injuries talking about everything else going on just to let you know we're going to do a little bit of talking then. I'M GONNA turn and look at the live chat and see what people have to say there. When it comes to some numbers or other things then we will come back and talked about this coming week so let's talk about the week that was. There's several things talk about so we'll earn off. We'll talk about the game. Let's talk about the game from Sunday. A was the twenty eight twenty six defeat to the Seattle seahawks hawks. It was the first time the NFC West has won a game in Pittsburgh with Mike Tomlin coach but there was a lot of things that happen in there it was a tale of two halves because the first half was Ben Rothlisberger quarterback second-half. Mason Rudolph is the quarterback unfortunately as we all know now that Ben Rothlisberger has been placed on the injured reserve list. He will be undergoing surgery sometime on his elbow on his right right elbow it was it was reported that it is not Tommy John Surgery. I thought it might be Tommy John Surgery. That's exactly what I said. I thought it was when I was watching the Game Brian Anthony Davis. I said that's not good with his elbow. That could even be a Tommy John's situation and they're saying WHOA WHOA hold hold on and I'm like I it. Just it just didn't look good. I just didn't like how how it sounded didn't sound like tendinitis or something else so I don't know about you all aw I got a little bit nervous yet excited when it came time for Mason Rudolph to commit. I really wanted to know what he could do. in a regular she's setting and I'd give him. I'd odd give him a grade of a you know a beer be plus for coming in and doing what he did but I wanna talk about something from the game. A number that stood out for me is looking at the quarterback play from the first half to the second half. There was a little bit something different and it's also going to lead into what we want to talk about not with this week and that is how well we're the steelers able to disguise what they were doing on offense when. Ben Roethlisberger was playing versus when when Mason Rudolph was playing some of this numbers and some of this feel. I don't know what you all think so but I feel that when Ben Rothlisberger Burger was in the game you kind of had a pretty good idea what they were doing every every play not only us as fans but if you were to look at their personnel and their formation Russian I believe that the defence knew what they were trying to do and it's kind of almost been that philosophy of we're GonNa do do we want to do and we think we're good enough that we can do it. No matter what you do so you just try to stop it. We don't have to. We don't have to try to disguise anything. It's it's kind of feels like that's been the mentality for the past couple of years with the steelers offense now at the second half then we start to get into hey. Let's change things up a a little bit Brian Anthony Davis said Hey it looks like randy. Figures actually offensive coordinator. He's the one calling the place. I'd love the flea flicker play I one hundred percent. Call the touchdown play as soon as they got the ball where they did. After the after the Devon Bush fumble recovery almost most return for a touchdown Brian was saying oh we got out and said no very I play run a play action pass Vance McDonald for the touchdown. He's like yeah right. He's like I'll take it though boom it was but I kinda we're GonNa talk about the play action. Pass a little bit when we talk about coming up but I wanNA talk about disguising things even with your formation because I did some breaking down some numbers of what the steelers do when they're in shotgun versus when they're under center. No I already talked about this a little bit in my analyzing the loss by the numbers article that came out on Monday so if any of you would check that out you kind of know we're going to be going with this a little bit but this takes a little bit more when the steelers are in shotgun pass the majority of time it didn't matter if it was Ben Rothlisberger or Mason Action Rudolph when they were in shotgun which they weren't shotgun more often than being under center. They passed over eighty percent of the time. It was almost identical between the two I think I think I think they were almost the same number plays. Let me check and see yes. Rudolph ran eighteen place from the shotgun. Ben Rothlisberger ran seventeen plays from shotgun. Both of them handed the ball off for a run three different times so there was that so so they the steelers were running. Don't run very much out of shotgun but they actually run just as much outta shotgun is they do understand her things. Don't go understand it very much so under center when Rothlisberger was under center he was under center seventh-place. Ma Ran it six times so that's eighty six percent of the time when Ben Rothlisberger Lineup under center. It's a run. It's probably even higher than that if you go just beyond his game that that Ben does not like to throw the ball from under center. I don't know if he's not comfortable with the drawback. I don't know if he's not comfortable. We'll talk about another aspect of that. When we get to play action I don't know but but Ben Rhodes. I don't know if he dislikes being able to. He feels like East sees the feel better 'cause 'cause he's already. He doesn't have to turn as much for the for the seven seven step drops or whatever they're doing but one. Mason Rudolph was in the game and he was under center if you include the two point conversion play what she was under center fifty percent of the time they ran fifty percent shot at the time they passed what other touchdowns was was a pass from under center so it wasn't just hey we're under center get ready. We're going to run the ball. Oh and hey weren't shotgun. Get Ready. We're GONNA pass the ball. It seemed like there was a little bit of changing up so those were some of the numbers in the past week that stood out to me was the percentage of plays of run versus pass versus shotgun and under center now we can go back and look at other things throughout certain things. I've a- positive was the four sacks acts in the first half but what the killer was zero sacks in the second half of the steelers defense. I'M GONNA go ahead and take a look at the live chat how and see if there's anyone who wants to throw out any numbers from this from this past week that they would like to talk about from the game and see if anyone says that while we do that we'll go ahead and talk about some of the some of the situations going on with the with the two players going going on. I R and and the broth removed from there obviously Ben Rothlisberger went on I r Monday with the elbow injury then we had Sean Davis was placed in Iowa today after the trade last night from Inca Fitzpatrick the steelers also promoted Devon Hodges to the practice squad to be the backup for this week and then they signed Paxton Lynch to the practice squad even the reason they brought him because he's he was still practice squad eligible and they can put him on the practice squad and not have to carry three fifty three so we're GonNa talk about the trade trade justice in just a minute Ryan Kellerman. He brings up the he brings up the four sacks. That was an improvement. I was upset that they couldn't get to them. In the second half. I thought what there was going to be a big sack day for the steelers but they just couldn't get home in the second half. I guess the counter adjustments aren't done quite well. Because I guess the seahawks adjusted. The steelers did not counter adjust quite well enough to get home. It might have also been. I did not go back and time any snaps APPs. I didn't get the game I didn't get the record the game go back and watch it because I didn't have a game in my area so I'm still waiting for it to hopefully show up as a replay on NFL NFL network. If anyone knows when that's scheduled let me know that way. I can go down and breaks more place here. We go so Ryan's it out. Dennis had one hundred percent confidence. It's in Mason. I liked that one. That's a pretty good one so someone asked about it was it was what was the two teams third down conversion rate. I looked at it was low. Both of them were under fifty percent. It was like a four for a four out of whatever and three out whatever I can't remember exactly what it was. Lance China and this is something we talked about earlier today. steelers are passed to run ratio uh-huh. Eighty twenty. I have a feeling that's going to change coming up so and so we'll go here we go about. Here's a good number from Brandon two turnovers on defense offense. I'm going to bring up another one that we're GONNA talk about here in a second. Just check to make sure that we don't have any numbers floating out there rather than do that. I'm going to come back to this question because I definitely want to do this. here we got. Were you shocked by the trade yesterday. Let's talk about the trade a little a bit we'll just figure. I'm not going to be monitoring the live chat here for a little bit just because I I want to be able to to focus on you all and be able to get my thoughts together clearly and and that is this the steelers were supposedly in the running as being interested in fitzpatrick over the weekend before they played on Sunday. That was very interesting so I threw something out there to Jeff Hartman to put in his article about hey. What would it take for. This trade report at the time was that they wanted a second round pick. Maybe they would settle for a third. I didn't see the steelers really breaking the bank to go. Get them to go get him. steelers don't have a third round pick this year because I'm trying to remember because that was that was already. traded away in order to move up to get. Devon Bush this year so they don't have a third round pick so I see I even through together. Hey if you got to give up your second maybe you can give up your second in your fourth and get their third or something like that. That would be good but then as things heated up other teams came in and it seemed like it was more likely it was going to take a one one. I thought with especially with Rothlisberger injury like I even had a message with Jeff Hartmann said I think this kind of you know squashes ashes fitzpatrick talkies while probably that was probably more from a new standpoint. I didn't know that meant they wouldn't really do it. Then it came out that they did it and they gave up next year's first round pick to do it now. There was more to the trade as well in next year. They also move up. Someone's got to go got to go. Get it because I'm because I'm probably GONNA messed up. I'm pretty sure they moved up. They gave up their fifth to move up to the fourth fourth or do they give up their six to move up to fifth. They swapped back to back rounds. Were the steelers moved up one and the dolphins back onto. They'll gain an extra. One of the higher hire believes the one that's lower and then they did it in the opposite direction with the sixth and seventh round pick the following year where the steelers will give up their sixth round round pick but gain the seventh round pick in twenty twenty one but they gave up their first round pick next year okay here. We go. Thank you very much. We got two different people. Tell me Ali. We says it was the gave up the fifth to fourth. That's what I thought getting back with. Both said that Caleb came in and got it. You guys are on it. Here's a good question this was and I had the same question from steeler fan. Seventy four is the fifth round pick gave up to them. Adopt pick. I'm going to say I think they would've said that if it would have been but I think it will. I heard that it was the steelers pick but it could be people. Just really didn't know came so so that was that I'm going to take this trade and take a little bit of time and I'm GonNa put it in perspective effective. I'm going to kind of put it in a little bit of a numbers perspective so bear with me. I'm going to sound like a ESPN thirty for thirty and it was Let's say what if I told you okay what if I told you that this year in the draft for the steelers to trade up to get Devon Bush they wouldn't have had to give up this year second round pick and they wouldn't had to give up this next year third heard round pick but instead they had to give up next year's first round pick. Would you have made the move up to Devin Bush by giving up next year first round pick. That's just a question to think about rather than giving up the second and the third that's tricky Ricki. I don't know I honestly probably what if I told you that to move up to get Devon Bush this year. You didn't give up next year's first round. Pick you gave up the following year's first round pick so you moved up twenty nineteen to get. Devon Bushes should ten and you gave up twenty twenty one first round pick with an epic first week of football behind us. Dr King's the leader in one day fantasy ESI football is upping the ante with another huge contest heading into the second week of NFL matchups. Draft Kings is giving new users a free shot at over one one point five million dollars in prizes when you sign up with the code SB nation and make your first deposit for free shot at one point five million eternal bragging rights just download the draftkings APP use the code SB nation draft your players and feel the sweat like never before already a draftkings user. You can get in on the action to for a limited time. Both new and existing users can get a deposit bonus of up to five hundred dollars so download the draftkings APP now and use the code espy nation nation to get a free shot at over one and a half million dollars in prizes with your first deposit again. That's code SB nation. Only a draft kings minimum five dollar deposit. Pause Required Deposit Bonus requires twenty five times playthrough eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details. What if I told you you made that trade and didn't have to give up your own first round pick in two thousand nineteen. Imagine uh-huh steelers moved up to get Devon Bush still had their first round pick at twenty and all it costs them was their first round pick two years from now and let's say there are a couple of low end stuff like oh they even gained a fourth by giving up a fifth but lost six by by by by by getting a seventh. What if I told you that's what they needed to do to get Devon Bush Josh. That's what the steelers just did but they did it two years ago to now they in essence traded up the the eleventh pick overall still got to make their picket. I'm pretty sure it was twenty four twenty four. Wherever they took edmonds they moved up to get that pick by giving up their first round pick two years from now. You're saying but wait a second he didn't he didn't play for us right away. True now imagine Devin Bush. Why don't you want it now. Imagine we'll say next year's well. We'll say a future certain future. Pick delivered. It's too don't Wanna tie. Steeler steeler first round pick ended up having to go on. I R for the season and they didn't get him. They didn't get him to start the season but then they got up the next year. That's what you haven't fitzpatrick but even better than in that he's got a year of NFL experience under his belt to just not with your team. They still have him on the cheap for several years. They have the fifth veer option with him. They in essence traded up to the eleventh overall pick for a player without even giving up their first round pick. It just costs them. Their first draft picks pick two years from now if they would have done that on draft night and Fitzpatrick would have been hurt for a year and then joined the team this year. The steelers still would have been like holy cow. This is great. We got two first round picks now granted. We might not how to use the both of us safety which is funny but not only that I feel that fitzpatrick is more of a proven commodity. After his first year he had a good rookie year. He had two interceptions one of which return for a touchdown he picked off Tom Brady and Foxborough so when you kind of put that trade in that perspective. Does it make it feel a little bit different if you were trading strickly sleep picks to move up and get someone. Would you felt a little bit different some GonNa look in here at live chat and see if anyone wants to throw out what what they you know. If that makes you feel any better the way I laid it out for you that that that getting fitzpatrick when you think of it that way oh I did I did get a I'm going to bring this up now but I will say something about it and we did get a super chat question here five dollars in the tip jarred from Kathy Ford Kathy says at work you can't stay long look later for the good discussion will Michigan Cathy sorry. You can't join in for other I. I hope there wasn't another cheaper chat that before that 'cause I will be honest with you on the format that we have here. It doesn't in highlight the superjet questions like it did on Youtube. I try to keep track on my phone that I can go back and see them because they're highlighted. So if you see me look away from the screen that's why but but that's what sometimes we've been missing some of the super chat feature so questions. We're trying to get better making sure we see them. Since they're not highlighted. had some people that said Where was that Solid Goodwin here now. I lost it here. We go Ron says for me. Eight former first round picks on defense now. That's true there we go. We've got a lot of first rounders there because we've added. We've added people. That weren't our offer. Routers like Tyson Aloe like Joe Haden like a Minka Fitzpatrick so we'll see how that plays out but I'm hoping that when you all looked at it that that that that when I laid it out in that way with the numbers from a from a trade perspective from a draft perspective that it might make you feel a little bit a better I will be honest with you. I don't like I don't like that that the that the steelers dealers don't have a first round pick next year. I don't like it. You never want to go in and do that here. I want the throughout this comment here. Real quick from creative going. I'm just happy to Pittsburgh did what they had to do to stay. Competitive is good to know that the Rooney's are about winning no matter the cost lost this was yes. I completely agree. I just can't believe at the steelers. Were that aggressive. They're usually not like that but I'll take it. I know a lot a lot of the narrative out there on social media even on behind the curtain with some of the comments are all but the coaching staff will screw it up. You know what I'm ready on. I don't want to turn into Tony Tony. Tony is the best Tony but you know it. Eventually you gotta think think hey this is the team. This is the organization thinks people in here to do this right now. I've got to have faith that they can do it. Here's that's a good question. Say Well first of all. We started this out there. God say this for Lance he doesn't mind. He's your teacher. Twenty twenty first rounder and you know what you've got with him. Okay okay. I'm not even going to try to say that name because I'll screw it up if I could only take one between T. J. Watt Devon Devon Bush or or Minkah Fitzpatrick right now honestly out of that group. I'M GONNA take. TJ What that would just be me because I feel like he's shown what he can do with this team but Devin Bush has two games under under his belt. That's it Mika. Fitzpatrick has games under his belt. Miami nothing in Pittsburgh so we'll see but I knew some people would would want to get to talk about the trade so I wanted to give some time with that. I know some people hate it. Some people like it. I actually had to call my father this morning and say our dad. I was trying to catch him before he got up before you turn on the TV TV. Don't listen to what all these national media guys have to say about this trade and how they can't stand it. They are looking at it from a Ben Rothlisberger injury glasses perspective. They can't take off their Ben. Rothlisberger is out for the season glasses to view this trade. They think that it has everything to do with Rothlisberger. This didn't of anything with Rothlisberger. This was possible to happen before he got injured. This had everything to do with John. Davis getting injured and Sean Davis not being under contract next year so you bring in in here. You don't have to worry about the Sean Davis Situation Anymore. Okay I did get question here that said Hey. If we had a first round for next year would would I have my take. I will be honest with you. I don't have time to watch college football. It's on a Saturday. I'm trying to get stuff done. I try to follow and see what it is. I don't know WHO's out there. Ah I don't know exactly how that situation would play out with would be good for the steelers for next year anyway so I. I don't know we will that question will be answered best next April. Whenever Miami is either making that pick or trading that pick or someone else's take making that that pick next year and and who would be available that you can think about that one so I'm going to try to transition here now for me. I already brought up how someone used the super chat feature on here and I told you about STRUGGLEC in it. If you don't know what it is the super chat feature is where you can type in your question and my suggestions type in your question first because sometimes it bit a bit puts the money in and there's nothing type their type in your question. I hit the button you can donate anything to the show. We throw it will become a tip jar that we use for for for various. Give aways which I gotTa Talk to you about that and just a little bit and therefore I will. I will do my best to keep monitoring over. We're here to make sure that I do not miss any questions. Now something we've tried to start to do is at some people don't realize is we started. Show and people just start firing off. This happened on the post game. Show firing super chat questions right off the bat before anybody before the US podcasters even had a chance to really get talking about what we were talking about It's not that just as soon as you off. I'm going to stop everything that I'm doing because you had a question. I like to do it when I opened it up for questions actions or comments or anything like that so this is if you're listening now and you've you've had frustration with that with other podcasts other live chats. Keep that in mind that there's is going to be a time when we get to that and that's probably when you want us to save your your shoe project. questions or like. I've said before people fired a good question out there. They want to be answered. I didn't get to it and when I say hey questions type it again so that way we can try to see it so I'm trying to just skipping ahead with everything is here two quick things. I was asked whose Jersey do. I have on I have on. Let's see if you could see it. I have on wrong shoulder number fifty three one market pouncey if you can see that that's the Jersey I got going on today. There was another Jersey question there but then I lost did hear that. Someone said it was a four forty three. I'm not going to be hearing from Humberto. That's what Jersey numbers it's Patrick. He wasn't probably brought this up. I think I saw it from someone else his his twenty nine not available and they can't switch during season Asian once players playing our that number I were to guess of there was it was ron was asking what what was going to be if I were going to get any Jersey number. I'm going to say thirty nine. It's available no one's in its close to two thousand nine and then you can go but the problem is because Kam Kelly has twenty nine right now. You can't switch your Jersey number during the season and all that so. That's what they're gonNA do now. The report is coach. Tom says that they're going to ensure it. It's Patrick Gannet free safety right away. I know we ran Arco. I didn't hear him. Use The word start but everyone's assuming that means that he's going to be starting this week. Do I think he'll be completely up to speed now. Do I think he's GonNa be their best option their even if he's not completely up to speed absolutely so now let's move to this week as we're kind of getting into that. Let's talk about the game the upcoming game to San Francisco Forty niners the line on it keeps changing. This was is it. This was an even game. This was a pickup game. When the Games first came out in April it was still a pickup game on some sites as of Sunday but when News Ben Rothlisberger injury came out everything shot to right around touchdown the steelers are last night. They were seven point underdogs when I had to had to do that to run an article today to now just check to get it right there six and a half point underdogs dugs so that's just what it is and that's because there's so many unknowns and that's that's why it was the title of episode is what can we expect now going forward. You Got Mason Rudolph quarterback. You've got a brand new free safety that they just traded to bring in. What can you expect from the steelers. I mean I could talk about how the steelers have at one in San Francisco since nineteen ninety nine nine. You know you could bring up the steelers record under Mike Tomlin on the west coast it's not even worth bringing up Ben Rothlisberger record record on the west coast because that's not a factor so there's all these numbers we could talk about. There are so many unknowns going into this game so this is what at the crazy number. I'M GONNA throw out to you something very specific and I kind of hinted at it ten. I I would like to see the steelers run. No less knelt this ambitious. No less than ten play action passes asses on Sunday. I'm going to be doing an article. That's coming out this week about. Could the steelers go back to more play action pass now with Mason Rudolph off. I think absolutely that that play was brilliant. That was so pretty I love that plate events McDonald's I mean he he predicted faked a handoff he even don't you know. Ben Over. The ball came back boom right there. It was because the steelers for the last two years thank you Lance Williams for getting me these numbers. I was saying hey land where I can find miss boom. He sent me to websites where I had it of. How much the steelers run play action pass for the La- we went back to two thousand eighteen and a two thousand seventeen try last in the league. They were twelve twelve percent of their plays where pull play action pass. No twelve percent of their passes other just plays. I think it was their passes. Were play action in two thousand eighteen. Sorry third two thousand seventeen twelve. Two Thousand Eighteen was eleven percent my goodness. They're not even trying to fool anybody there. They're really not it and a lot of those or even what you would even consider run pass options so I think they showed it already that I would like to see a lot more play action pass out of the offense I would like to see more played run under center and that was a bit concerned with Mason Rudolph coming. Out of colleges that he didn't take he didn't he never took took snaps from under center. They were strictly shotgun so but the steelers don't do as much under under center but I think they can and I think that's one of the things that he worked on last year with ready ready ready to go with so that's something that I would see. I WANNA see a new wrinkle so let's try to see ten play action passes and with route two more numbers for you just because we don't know what to expect. I'd really like to see zero interceptions agents. That would be fantastic. That would be really taking care of the ball but there's also another side of that that I wanNA. I WanNa make sure we look in came and that is I would really like to see no interceptions but I don't want to see then baby Rudolph along. They didn't do it in the second half on this on this Sunday but it's something that they did with Ben Rothlisberger Burger would he came in in two thousand four is a rookie. They didn't really give him a Lotta. They didn't really it felt like they were constantly inhibiting him from what he could do and I wanted to see them. Let him play a little bit more wide open as a rookie now. I wish they would rain a middle of more as as a sixteen year vet so oh I would really like to see them not just be like an and I said this Brian Anthony Davis during the second half of the game that I was afraid they were going to do that at this past week. I'm like if they just come out with Rudolph and just go run run past punt and that's the only reason pass on third down because they had no other choice if it's just run on run past punt. I'm going to be very frustrated but they didn't. They mixed it up. They let ram at flea flicker that thing was great and if my brother told me today on the phone Tony we were talking about this because he was at the game he said if if conner wouldn't have been bumped a little bit which kind of held them up flipping it back to route off he could have probably thrown that ball but earlier which means it would have been easier to Juju. Strident could've gone for a touchdown. I still love the result of it. It was great so oh I don't WanNa see zero interceptions but I don't WanNa see it's because the attempts are way down all they're doing is running screens and bubble screens and passes two yards down the field. Go get it. Just you know what do you got to lose. What are you got to lose. Go get it thing I would like to see. I would like to see one turnover on defense. At least I would like to. I would like to the defense to force turnovers specifically. I don't want to just say one turnover. That's all I wanna see one interception it. It doesn't have to be fitzpatrick although that would be great. steelers have no interceptions in two games. Let's get an interception out there on Sunday now before open this up to the lifetime. Let's say one thing so. Those are some numbers at one. My expectations coming into this game are actually quite low. Hey I'm Spencer Hall. I'm Holly Anderson I'm Ryan Nanny. I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown full cast. Your of injures of college. 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If there are some communication issues hopefully they don't resulted interceptions or players just flat up dropping the ball that resulted interceptions if the if the commission means that it's an incompletion or things like that that's I understand that happening because basically the steelers are starting over again in week one and normally by week three. I would have higher expectations but I feel like it's a reset back to week one and now let's get out there and see what you can do. If if the steelers don't win this game it's not that the sky is falling. They could still get on a roll. I know it's going to be really deported. We dig themselves out of but please don't Judge Mason Rudolph and Fitzpatrick Trade stolley on one game. Let's give them at least two. They actually need to give them a whole season but before we flip out let's let let's give them two games. So at this time I'm going to go throw out in into the live chat and you'll see it when it comes up on the on the on the chat there that I'm ready for numbers or questions that did anyone wants to throw out and I will pay attention to those there. I am going to meant. I'm GONNA throw something out before. People might have a chance to catch up a little bit here because there's there's two hundred and sixty people in his live chat so it's GonNa be tough to keep up but so you might wanNA use cheaper fat chat super fat now. That's me super chat feature in order to get your questions answered but you wanted to tune in this week. It looks like we've got another giveaway coming up and I'm hoping hoping that we can do it and announce it on the steelers preview Thursday. It's GonNa be a good one. You'RE GONNA WANNA get involved with this okay. I'm not saying the way we're doing it as good because we're still trying to figure that out but I'm saying the prize is good so here we go yeah super chat chat fat Yep. That's right so okay here we go. Here's a question from awesome stuff. Jeff have a Rudolph Jersey yet. I tried to order him one and it and it hasn't and he said not yet he's not ready to do that yet. He's he's got to win a game. I I have mine my shopping cart getting ready to go okay so oh here. We go double triple double double. H wants four turnovers next week. I love it too but that's going to be a lot to ask question in we'll we'll make an interception as I first game. I would love it. I would love it Someone says he'd like to have I'm. I'm assuming they mean Shawna saying thirty five Russia's that would be great if they're effective. I don't WanNa keep running the ball. It's ineffective. That was my fear Sunday Sunday. Don't just run the ball to protect rough run the ball. If it's working okay Ryan says less my safety so more or less camp sutton camps on hold my goodness he may do fantastic place at the end of the first half that basically saved points points for the steelers because he made two tackles one for a loss and then one for a very short game that to place. I think it was minus one yard in two to pass plays where he made a tackle inbounds when Seattle had no timeouts and kept the clock run and it was fantastic here we go how `bout zero the numbers taps for Moncrieff I've got an article be out tomorrow about some stuff with with them coach Tomlin but didn't have much such flattering say a gay someone said about how many number one picks on our defense and we brought that up earlier. I think it was eight. I think it seven Evan if you if you're counting just just starters so trying to catch up question question. They have a question about two I for Jaylen Ramsey's now. I don't think we need him. I don't know about everyone else. The biggest not surprise is but the surprises and toward a book for what am I looking for what I've liked. The most about the defensive afar has been Steven Nelson listen. You don't hear his name as a defensive back. He gave up a pass play. I think it was the first place became Ed Catheter their first completion Sunday and it was such an obvious push off but you're not going to challenge that data early in the game but it was and that's like one of the only passes he gave up okay. I'm so someone asked about camps Kevin Aspect Cam sudden. We talked about that a little bit. I know I might getting the questions that you guys type before. I answer the questions OK. Someone asked him about the numbers in the survivor league what they look like that was published this afternoon actually see it. There's like five o'clock. We put that article out lots. I'll be honest with you if you're not in the survivor leg. If you are one thing you've got to do. You've got to go in and and make your picks. There was more people that didn't make picks this week than last week. We lost eighty some people because they didn't make picks that was the biggest reason people were eliminated. we had forty some people eliminated because the Carolina game but and then we had we had sixty few people that were probably breathing a sigh of relief because they had picked Houston who when Jacksonville went for two there at the end and didn't get it so that that was crazy but the numbers are there's about fifty five percent people other in the league left so almost half of them gone after two weeks a Lotta that is 'cause people didn't make their picks so go in make your picks for the whole season season and then change them so that way you know you at least have something some people asking about Keith Butler. I think there's a chance that this could be his last year. We'll see it to bring him back but for now he's the Guy Mark. Mark wants to know whether keep passing the SWITZER wonder why because he catches the ball you know who doesn't kick the ball Dante Moncrieff Dot Moncrieff has eleven targets on the season. He had one target last week zero receptions. He should have caught it for a first down. He let it go through his hands and became an interception that was by no fault. Mason Rudolph Fault none zero that should have been a first down so don't get me started on that so when you're talking about three receptions for seven yards on eleven targets. That's hard to get someone out there someone asked about. How do you send questions. If you're talking about the super cat there should be a little dollar sign that oh you've got to have something set up. I don't know I've never done it. someone else might be able to answer that. More people say it's okay that they're that Thomas. That's that's okay Dave. I'm super fat to where we're the guys you don't want to sit to sit next to at the Games so here we go. Let's say vodka drinker. He's on here all the time. Numbers Forty snaps buyer defense yeah out of forty. He's a bit ambitious but man. They were seventy-one snaps last week and that's a lot. That's a lot here we go. Some of these are funny. I'm not bringing them all up. I can't guys I'm sorry as much as I'd like to. I'm so far behind someone asked about Tikolo was he hurt. He's dealing dealing with plantar fasciitis which he was dealing with last season. Apparently I thought he had surgery to get to get something fixed with it and the problem is he's young with it again. So it's Kinda makes you wonder why in the world they would spend that money to bring someone back who keeps dealing with that. and Ron did verify that seven starters is number one picks. Thank you very much. someone agreeing with that yes. That's Nelson has done good okay so F I if you use bad language. I will not be bringing up your comment here. We go snowman was five dollars. I completely missed this. I'm so glad I came across it has come off cloud nine with Rudolf starting funny story. I'M GONNA say I don't know if we understood alive tat or not him and our going back with some try it with arguing over some terminology how defenses are called between nickel goal and dime and base and even the dollar defense alanthea's talking about alignments coach. I'm talking about this is all about personnel. It doesn't matter if a safety fifty lines up as a linebacker he's a safety on the field so that would be considered nickel dime lance and I finally figured it out going back and forth exactly what each Jenner was talking about. That's the problem with communicating via text message but all this time we're having it's a it was a it was a text with myself. Lancet Jeff gesture sit back and then awesome he just goes in go mason everyone's while he just wanted something about about about its Mason Times like that. Just randomly throwing it in there so as as you can see I'm excited about Mason Rudolph. I'm I'm very devastated about Ben Rothlisberger. You don't want that to happen to anybody but I am excited to have a better idea of what the steelers Avid Mason Rudolph so so so here we go Ryan. Colorado Colorado said about five point four eight million to get the cap combined. I'm pretty sure that's an answer to Fitzpatrick's contract. Nothing is more than a million and a half until until they would pick up a fifth year option. I just see the super. The live chat going crazy is I am doing my best to try to catch up here with the few minutes that we have left do. I think it's Patrick Mix Edmonds job easier. The answer's GonNa be eventually eventually another question with Ryan had is Nelson Better Than Hayden right now. He's playing great. I'm not saying that he is overall but that's just the situation George. I saw that you had a super chat but you didn't have a question with it. If I come across your name I'll see if I can find it but that was that was two dollars tip tip jar. Someone wants to know about Rosie. Nix Big rush wants know about his status today. Coach Tomlin basis already said he's out for this week so don't know anything more going on with with Roosevelt Nixon his injury so I'm trying to catch up a little bit we'll Mason Rudolph be the best quarterback in the AFC north. I don't know I think what's interesting is that in the AFC north through the four starting quarterbacks backs are often the same draft class and all of those quarterbacks are in need of the AFC North or in the AFC east. Not all of them are the top six quarterbacks taken in last year's draft all of them are in the AFC north or the East and three of them are starting in the east this week so here we go. Someone said that it was Ron. Says maybe says it's eight starters. If say well technically Bush isn't a starter I now Bush Watt Pre Hayden Hayward Edmonds Fitzpatrick Barron and then you also remember our allies there too so it's really close. I mean that's a lot of first rounders. They have on that defense so I'm looking through here trying to catch up a little bit guys guys. Some people want to know about coaches or players of being on the team how many sacks versus San Briscoe I say I'd say let's get five. Let's got four last week. Let's shoot for five five or more. Stefan tour had a great first-half last week here we go three how long it would take to pre to get that many sacks well. He had one last week so I'm going to say. Let's give him on this week and one the following week so let's let's say he gets it in the first quarter of the season I'd like to see that that would put on put on pace for twelfth this season Let's say he'll go every other week off number weeks with his sacks yeah. We'll say that one that because it's fun when I'm obviously I have no idea what the steelers are going to do for the twenty twenty drafts so when when it comes to asking questions about that I really I am not sure but man oh man. We've just been hopping in here tonight. You guys have been in here. It's with great. I see great comments. I can't read them all. I really wish that I could get to all the comments and all the questions but it's just so much guys when there's so many of you in here. Here's a good one. I've gotTa do this. Thanks Darren Darren. We stuff from him. All the time. Fill in the blank minkah fitzpatrick will blank against the forty niners. That's a great question. I hope you guys have filled this on the live chat as well. What can we say about him. You know what I'll say start. We know that okay or even this he will make a difference. I guess against the forty niners George said Tony Bryant Brian WanNa talk about dunking the ball of the goalpost not anymore I am I have a I have a problem with gravity and that is my mass is getting too too large compared to the mass of the earth and the gravitational pull between the two of them I don't know about you all. I'm going to ask this. y'All WanNa put it out. There in the live chat go forward. I'm probably not going to see it because I said I just desperately trying trying to catch up but before I say it created say he heard one number. Might there might be a year and it's two point one. That might be true but it's it's not that much much compared compared to what it could be but now I can't remember what my question was here. It was are you all kind of a little bit excited to see what the new look. steelers are going to be like on Sunday. I mean it's going to be it's going to be different. I WANNA know how it's going to be different. I don't I'm kind of excited about the way the season could shape up to just show. What are we have beyond. Ben Rothlisberger okay. What what can we do behind that offensive line. What what. What is this young defense? What is it capable of. I know there's they've had their moments where they haven't looked as good. What what what what can we do I. I'm I'm about you all. I think it's kind of exciting going in. I have lower expectations and usually I found the steelers and I Laura expectations they exceed them so. That's what I'm going to say for this week. I'll tell you right now. If people throughout some score predictions I saw a twenty seven twenty one earlier. I can't sorry I don't remember who put it out there her. I don't know that I'm GonNa pick the steelers to win this game. I just wanted to what I would like to see more than anything is. The steelers with five minutes left in the game to them still be in the game with a chance to win it this past week. They were five minutes left in the game. They were doing the game. Unfortunately they'd never got the chance to win it because they're often never got the ball back. If you're interested about the whole notion of the pass interference call I had a commentary piece on the website today about how once you open up to where you're going to review only certain penalties. That's a bad thing to do because what happens when you're reviewing play and there are no penalties were called and reviewing it. There's one that you can you can replay but there was two other ones that happened that you didn't see which would make stuff offsetting which is exactly what it happened because there should have been two penalties on the steelers and one on the seahawks on that play that got overturned because T. J. Watt was held. There was Russell Wilson never even gets that pass off in that way if they don't just basically pull. TJ walked to the ground and then but you pre hit him helmet afterwards and I expect expect to find for that both of those calls weren't made and the call wasn't made about passionate fans and yet the other two plays were much more regis but yet the one that was borderline is the only one that they could overturn and they were the other ones get ignored. It's just it's just a bad thing to do. I'm really sorry I couldn't get any more questions here tonight. You guys fired him off. You guys were fantastic here in the live chat once. You ought to remember if you haven't you've got to go check out behind the curtain dot com. We have so much content. It's constantly coming out. I feel like I'm my poor. Kids are like anymore. They here on my found found like breaking news meaning. They know as soon as that happens. Yes what Dad's going to be doing. He's GonNa be going get an article out as fast as he can to get that up on the site for you guys so we've got at least ten articles a day every day coming out. We've got seven podcasts a week. That is one podcast where you're on every the light or maybe even the knight every day. There's a podcast coming out. If you don't catch it live then. It's all all the podcast platforms the next day on on whatever they're caught on itunes if you listen if you listen to podcasts on I tunes please go in and give a nice positive review I i. I listened to him on a on a podcast APPS. I don't go in there but apparently there's some old reviews about where we've had audio problems past. It'd be really nice to get some new reviews in there since we switched everything over to youtube so thank you wall. I'm really sorry that this further we made it in a live chat but you guys were great tonight. Make sure you tune in tomorrow. Night's to the standard is a standard with Jeff Atlanta. 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Lets Ride: The wait is almost over Steelers fans

Behind the Steel Curtain

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Lets Ride: The wait is almost over Steelers fans

"And Pittsburgh steeler fans, what is going on? This is Jeff Hartmann. That's right. Jeff Hartmann back here with behind the steel curtain dot com, it's been a couple of months. I want to get started on this Monday morning show, which we've titled. Let's ride, and as you heard at the beginning of the episode, that was the famous two thousand and five Indianapolis. Colts. Divisional round. Joey Porter, right. After Bill Cower says, Hey, peasy. Why don't you be quiet this week as they get ready for the Denver. Broncos in the AFC championship game and he said all men heck. No, they shot me in Denver. Who Ride we ride who relies on three one three. Let's right. That's where that came from that was that sound clip, and that's what this name of the show start. But man what a long. Strange journey disliked can be at times for me. Personally, I leave behind the curtain to months ago and take another venture. I'm not going to bad mouth adventure any way shape or form what happened. There is personal and it's going to remain personal. But here I am back behind the steel curtain two months later I can not. Dave Scofield and Brian Anthony Davis enough for them, having me back and not just having me back welcoming me back in welcoming back in a way that they were so excited and they said, we want you to be a part of the PODCAST team. Again, they didn't have to do that. They did not have to do that, but they did. And I love this I, Love This I. Love. Just. Being able to talk about the steelers fan to fan. That's what we are. We're fans. Let's talk about the team and that's what I love and I wanNA. Give a shout out to someone else before we get started. Really. Want to give a shout out to Lance Williams. Lance Williams is a friend of mine and we have gone way back. The Standard is a standard, I, I've told the story multiple times will tell it again. I had never even spoken to Lance. Williams before we went on the air for the very first time I wanna say that was in two thousand. Fourteen maybe. Somewhere. Around there nuke long was the editor behind the steel curtain and he just set it up. We did it and ran with it, and we did it for a long time and we expanded on the shows to the post game show started the youtube. Channel while. I was. Here that he left as I came back and he left for his own reasons, and it's just a shame but I wanna to thank Lance, because honestly he gave me a lot of confidence as a podcast or he gave me a lot of confidence to be myself while podcasting. Remember we first started. It was always I was like a robot. He said he's looked okay to laugh. Don't get fun. It's okay to be exuberant at times. Much reviews that word, but still you get the picture. So big shout out to him. I'm just glad to be back. I'm glad you're back. Glad to be starting this new show Monday Wednesday Friday every morning. I'M GONNA publish this thing at like five am. And it's going to be just me. Now, every that I might have guessed I might have someone on. We might talk about the steelers and maybe knows and we'll talk about you know difference of opinions or maybe we'll get. A, player on I don't know I don't know but I know that every Monday Wednesday Friday is just GonNa be me and let's ride this show. Let's let's if you're on your way to work tried to work. You know what I mean. That's what we're going to be doing and I hope you're excited for it. It's only GonNa be found on an audio platforms. I beg you please. Follow us on all of audio platforms or wherever you listen to podcasts whether it's itunes spotify Google play you name it, go there, follow US subscribe. If you're on Itunes, give us a good comment, five star rating, we appreciate it. It really does help with exposure and we really are thankful for all. That show is going to be about twenty, five, thirty minutes every single. Monday. Wednesday Friday I I'm excited for it I. Really Am excited I'm excited about life I gotta be honest I'm excited about life, and let's say way into the first topic. The very first show the first very first topic on. Let's ride in. That is folks the wait. Is. Almost. Over. That's right. Just, like his Tom Petty and the heartbreakers, the waiting is the hardest part. In man and fans had to wait a long time before football. It's been such a unique off season in every possible way. Whether you're talking about Corona Virus Covid nineteen. The, the people that are still you know very skeptical and rightfully so I, get it, i. see what's going on a major league baseball. I see it I. I understand. That's a potential for happening in the NFL. I'll talk about that on another show more in depth. But then you have how that took a grip on our world. And that includes sports world. In, add this chokehold on it to the point. Where all these things that fans loved to watch and keep track of and as someone that runs a website in helps in our co editor, with Dave, Scofield at the website. No organized team activities are. Ota's new rookie minicamp. No Mandatory Minicamp, all those things that got us through the doldrums of late Spring and early summer. They did not exist now. Did they technically exist? Yes. Virtually, and I just did the air quotes. The virtually existed. We didn't see any of that. We fans have gotten to see. The Rookie Class Cam Hayward. Mike Tomlin of Kevin Colbert possibly on Zuma interviews. But that was it. That was it. Just those little crumbs, your the there was no video from reporters of really incredible sideline catch. And now, all of a sudden. There's not going to be any training camp latrobe. It's going to be different. It's going to be different, and for this year we're GONNA fly by the seat of our pants and we're going to hope that we can get things situated in the. NFL. Can get their stuff situated. Now, when I say stuff I mean safety protocols and making sure that the season happens. But the wait is almost over. It's almost over folks. Goodness. I'm excited I was I gotta be honest I was watching the NHL playoffs, the other night Pittsburgh, Penguins Montreal Canadian's Game One of the qualifying round. I. Don't WanNa Talk About Picking Trust me I. Don't. WanNa. Talk about that game. But my goodness I saw NBC. They ran a commercial for the first regular season Game Texans achieve super bowl champions to Shawn. Watson. Patrick mahomes in I was ecstatic. I got excited. Felt normal again for the first time in a long time and I was just so pumped up. Over it's almost over in here we are on the third of August in all of a sudden, just two weeks away is when the first padded practice will happen for the steelers, and so we're GONNA break this down to segments, obviously offense and defense offense and defense. into the wait is almost over and you cannot start without starting with the offense and you cannot start without starting about Ben Rothlisberger. He's back folks. He's back. He is back in. Is he better than ever knows we saw on throw one pass in California in February February twenty first? Why not? Because my birthday is on the twentieth in is the day after my birthday and I'm sitting in drive through waiting to give my coffee and I look at my phone on twitter and holy cow, he threw a pass and the sports world, maybe just the steelers world will say both freaked out. It was the first time sudden. It was the haircut, the beard trim. We saw him throw again on video and then most recently Robert Morris Video. He's throwing again. But no one has actually seen him. There have not been reporters that are on the sideline whether it's Mark Volley Dale lally of Bob Lab Riola Ed. Bouchette. Doesn't matter who there's no one actually their reporting saying man, this guy's arm looks alive. He is slinging it around the yard. He looks ready. We haven't had that yet. But we're GONNA get it. We're GONNA. Get it sooner than later. Then Rothlisberger being back is going to be absolutely critical for this team for so many different reasons and I've honestly said. that. It's his above the shoulders play. That is going to be the biggest difference. It's going to be the biggest difference between what we saw with Mason Rudolph and Devon Hodges in two thousand and nineteen, yet they were bad. They were inexperienced, but also couldn't get themselves out of their own way at times. Rothlisberger is played enough. He's smart enough quarterback that he's able to check them out of place that he knows or not going to be successful because he knows how to read a Defence Mason. Rudolph was essentially a rookie. Devlin Hodges was an undrafted rookie I. Don't know. Maybe you aric expectations were a little lofty. But at the same time, with Martha, Burger comes back, that should also meet itself out. But then there's other parts of the offense to that. We need to kind of figure out. We need to take a wait and see approach is the offensive line going to be better. Is the offensive line moving Matt filer to guard nine? Oh? That's just what they say is GonNa Start Camp, but is moving mad father to guard the best decision. In his act banner Chew Chor Ready for the right tackle spot. How is that GONNA look? What about Stephan Niesky? Where's HE GONNA play? Is he just going to be a backup center and guard on the Interior offensive line. Are they saying that protecting the interior with Matt filer being their highest graded offensive lineman per pro football focus. Last year, moving him to the interior saying that protecting the interiors is more important than tackle. I don't know. I don't know, but I do know that last season, the offensive line was missing something and people will say, well, look at what Jeff just said about, Rothlisberger, he wasn't able to check in and out of things it was more than that. They were missing a lot. They was no push in run support. They did not run the ball. Well, that's well documented. Pass protection was okay. But my gosh, they have to be better. The steelers are going to be successful offensively takes his successful. Think about the fact that last year, the average, just eighteen points a game in they never once hit the thirty point plateau. Now, once I think twenty eight points as close as came. Think about that. If they just WANNA be confident. It's going to start with the offensive line in. That's what generates everything you have to protect Rothlisberger. You have to be able to open up lanes for running backs and the running backs. What do we make the running back situation? James Connors back. We all know if I could say right now, think of say one word to describe James Connor and there's going to be two more. Courageous as a cancer survivor and someone that's definitely defeated the odds, the other one would be injured. Because he's often injured, that's fact that is just factual James. Connor in his first three seasons has yet to play in a full season without injury. It's not abnormal for running backs to banged up James. Connor just seems the banged up. A little bit more than most. Had A pro bowl year a couple years ago. Can you repeat that but they need him to? Everyone's talking about running back by committee. They're talking about Anthony? McFarland, the rookie talking about Jalen Samuels. They're talking about all these running backs that they have. But the fact of the matter is Benny Snow Junior for God, him, then he smell can't forget him. The fact of the matter is. Mike Tomlin doesn't like running back by committee. Period I think the last time he did that was Jonathan Dwyer was on the team which was a two, thousand, thirteen, two, thousand, twelve. He does not like it. He likes one guy that's going to go out there can be a three down back and he needs a break. We're GONNA put someone else in. That's what we have to change and I mean Tomlin in I mean Randi feet ner for the steelers to even entertain the thought of having running back by committee. I like James Connor. He's my son's favorite player by the way, has his Jersey loves them loves everything about James, Garner, I love watching play my goodness. If he can't stay healthy, they're really gonNA test that that group in my opinion I. Save someone's as Jeff describe what the steelers running backs are like I'm going to say it's quantity. Over quality, they have a lot of them. Didn't even name Gareth White. But I'm not sure if they have a lot of quality backs the one that they do have James, Connor. Is Not as reliable as he like speaking of reliable. The tight end position. What did make it add? You have. Vance. McDonald. Who Everyone remembers the big place? Whether it's the. Stiff arm heard round the world against Tampa. Bay in a Monday night football or whether it's the catching the ball and running with reckless abandon. I think someone compared him to Mike Ditka when he was playing in, I've looked at film and it's pretty, close? But Vance Donald is another player like James. Connor that is he's often injured. He's often banged up. They signed Eric Brown. I. Loved it. I. Loved the pickup thought. It was a great fit. I thought he's going to be perfect for Ben Rothlisberger. He's at athletic. Not, necessarily a blogger. I don't think anyone that's watched. Derek play since he came out of, north. Carolina would say that he's a blocker. He isn't athletic pass catcher. And at his best when he made the pro bowl in Indianapolis, he was a red zone monster. That's where he made his money was in the Red Zone Kenny duplicate that. But let's not forget the same caveat that I just talked about with connor an McDonald. Bleeds down to Iran in that. Is Injuries. You can't make the TUB against make the team from the DUB. Your accountability is your best ability, all those sayings and slogans ever. I've heard for my coaches. I gave him a butcher one, but. All those things in slogans that you hear all the time. They're true. They're true. So. Yvonne's going to have to stay healthy after. Iran. Gentry second year tight end. Didn't really play it all last year. My Gosh it, that's a that's a position that makes you really sweat. Couple injuries to players that are kind of injury prone. E. I don't know. The wait, we'll wait and see the ways almost over, but if those two I'll tell you this. If, you're an optimist like I am in anyone that's listening to my previous podcast whether it's the homer in the hater, the standard is a standard I am an optimistic guy is like to see the the good in situations, the the potential in situations even though that's a very dangerous word. If these tight ends and I mean Vance McDonald in arrogant stay. Healthy. The breads and the steelers red zone offense can be absolutely. Dynamic. Absolutely. Dominant in absolutely elite. Has Right I said the word not talking about Joe, flacco elite Red Zone offense, think about what you can do with Yvonne McDonalds a Hebron? Too tight ends. Let's say they have. They don't even have a running back on the field. It's an empty set. The two tight ends in some of these receivers I'm getting ready to talk about holy cow folks telling you. This offense could be a juggernaut in his those receivers. You're talking about receivers that are. Very different, but they have some similar characteristics. So you could Chase Klay Pool as we switched to the receiver position. James Capable. The team's top pick in the twenty twenty. NFL draft at Notre Dame second round pick. He is a big big body, big body six, four runs like a gazelle. He's. People have done what they say, Gosh Red Zone Target Ben's GonNa. Love Him in the reds an absolutely. He's GonNa love him in the red zone. He's that guy that Rothlisberger has been seemingly clamoring for since PLAXICO burress left back in two thousand and five, I mean he's the guy that you're thinking about when Ben's always said I just want someone that's big and tall. Yeah. They tried limes-. We we all know that story and they had some other taller receiver. But none like what clay pool brings, he is a monster, but will be ready what any of the rookies via to contribute. They haven't had any on field work with anyone. They haven't been able to go through plays plays physically just mentally virtually. They haven't had probably more than virtual meetings with Rothlisberger it. It's it's as simple as. If they're on the field, let's say the red zone because that's been the ongoing trend that had been talking about here. If they're in the red zone and Dan looks over and sees a certain coverage, he has to know the Klay Pool seem the same thing. They haven't had a chance to work on that yet, but let's be honest neither has deontay Johnson deontay. Johnson in my opinion is one of the brightest young stars in the NFL. About this player, this guy has antonio, Brown like skill sets on the field and I say that again on the field a one more time on the field I, don't know if he's going to be a head ks off the field, but at this time. Deontay, Johnson, my goodness is electrifying with the ball in his hands. But again, last year he had all training camp and six quarters with Rothlisberger in. That's it. That's not forget that last year deonte. Johnson. was hampered I believe by a hamstring throughout the beginning of camp, and so those even less Razzi had with with. Rothlisberger. Some time. Now. You have other receivers. Ryan. Switzer everyone likes to pile on. Switzer say that he's. He's a joke that he's not GonNa, make the team James. Washington. Is another player. In. It's just ironic that yesterday he was placed on the COVID nineteen reserve list, but he should be back as long as he is healthy and everything goes. Well, we prayers for him and hope that he heals and he his is able to respond but still. James Washington although he's had years with Rothlisberger never seems to have a good connection with them. I. Always think back to the play in Denver when Washington's beautiful double move beat the defender and. It was a it was. It wasn't a horribly thrown ball. Maybe a little bit over the wrong shoulder. But. Still. Managed, just he jumped, he didn't have to in the NFL of his. That's kind of that. One play to me kind of encompasses, this awkward relationship between the receiver and the quarterback. Juju. Smith Schuster we know what he can do, he's the veteran on the team. It's hard to believe still young guy, but he's the veteran on the team and so now. You're dion, Cain, as played with Ben Hardly at all. Actually, he hasn't played with him at all because he was a mid season pickup. They picked him up off the colts practice squad midway through the year. The. Wide Receivers I. Love this group, I really do I. Think they have. A lot of different combinations that they can run they can they can see a lot of success. It's all going to be with how they respond and react with Ben Getting Rothlisberger under center getting physical repetitions. I'm sure right now. They're doing some work I don't know if quarterbacks and receivers are throwing it under the rookies have already been working out things like that. But my Gosh, the way Tomas over. This offense can not be as bad as it was last year and when you've hit rock bottom. You can go and that's up. Up. Well, that sounds like the defense and we're gonNA talk about that. Yet unit right after this break. All right fans we are back. The wait is almost over. That is the theme of this episode, and now we're GonNa talk about the defense I just waxed poetic if you WANNA call it that. About the offense. The offense was disappointing last year. So disappointing. In, no one had super high expectations at least. I, hope you didn't for. The offense was led by either Mason Rudolph Devon. Hodges Now the defense. Because no one knows about the offense is Ben's Aren't going to be Ryan is the offense of lying to be ready to provide receivers development. But. The defense. That's a different animal. All together. It is a different animal what I mean by that is that expectations for the offense low expectations for the defense or sky? High I mean sky-high. We're talking about a unit that is coming off a season where they were top five and a miss every single statistical category. The one category they weren't I believe was rushing defense and they were still in the top ten. They are every bit as good as advertised and Cam Hayward. Who spoke to the media just a few weeks ago I. Think it was last month. Obviously. Last month but early July, he said that there's only one place that he feels that the defense really needs to improve that is rushed events. But there are still some things that we as fans have to look at this defense and say. WHAT'S IS GONNA look like What is this actually going to look like? It going to be. Better than last year is GONNA BE DIFFERENT? This team led the NFL and takeaways in thousand and nineteen I it was. It was remarkable. It was to the point that fans almost expected. These take ways to happen, and we just think about how ludicrous that statement is. They expected these takeaways to happen. Yet. They always found their way whether it's a tip ball whether it's interception of force fumble. It didn't matter. They always found a way. Can that continue I don't know. My the top of the list for me when I look at the defense and what I can't wait to see. Well it starts fits magic. It's Patrick Minka Fitzpatrick that starts it for me. There's going to be other people I'm sure you might be driving your car, maybe walk them into treadmill. You ought to be sitting in your living room i. don't care where you are. You might be thinking about another player and that's okay. But for me it's. MINKA. I WANNA know. Mega. Fitzpatrick. What is year two in the steelers system. GonNa. Look like. Is it just GonNa be more of the same him playing deep secondary and Kinda roaming around the line of scrimmage or are they gonna? Put Him. This is this is a term that Lance Williams he's always use. Are they gonNA put them in that joker role? Think back to what Troy Paula Malai used to do. I am not suggesting that make is going to do a choice to do. But. Is he going to be able to have the freedom to kind of move around in be even more of a dynamic playmaker? Because if you watch. Any listen to interviews especially when he was on NFL game, pass the breakdown with Brian, Baldinger Kurt Warner this past off season as of a couple of weeks ago. Watch, it was tremendous. You see it on NFL network, record it because it's awesome. And he talked about how? He definitely felt by the end of the season quarterbacks knew where he was and they never through his way and he felt the debt hindered his production and I, agree, you watch the film, they did not want to throw it anywhere near Mega Fitzpatrick. Why would you he was? He was as dynamic as a safety comes in two, thousand and nineteen. He was all pro for reasoning was a pro bowl player for a reason. The what's twenty twenty GonNa look like is going to be better is a part of me. That just thinks, oh my gosh, this guy's just he's scratching the surface. And if that's the case, 'cause he's still young, he's only entering year three of his career. If he's scratching the surface, think about how dynamic that secondary is going to be. This is already the best secondary in my opinion in the Mike Tomlin era. Yeah. I said it. He I said, this is the best secondary based on the fact that even though Mike Tomlin has won the super bowl, I liked the cornerbacks with Steven, Nelson Joe Haden and I think that's real edmonds is going to take a step forward this year as well. But Patrick, men that guy could be ridiculously good. But. I WanNa see you wanna see how it looks different here in year two with Pittsburgh, year, three in the NFL. Another area, the field fielder area, and the defense, and a lot of people are going to be focusing on an rightfully so. Are the sacks, will it's team still be able to get the sack totals that they've had. They could break a team. Could be the first time in team history that they've had four seasons with fifty or more sacks. I remember going on show just a couple of months ago before I had departed behind the steel curtain and I was talking with. My Buddy Brian, Anthony Davis and Dave Scofield, and we were laughing at each other about how just a few years ago we were how they can't get. They can't get sixty sacks. They can't get fifty sacks again. That's just it's just not going to happen in here. They go every single year, TJ Watt Cam Hayward but debris last year with eleven and a half you name it, my goodness are the sack going to continue I think it can. I think because TJ has shown that every single year he plays, he gets better. And you might think Oh. My goodness. How better fourteen sacks last year, he could still get better. You, ask him, I guarantee, say he missed a lot of plays last year. But do pre playing for a contract playing for his financial livelihood. So to speak and I know he's making fifteen million dollars this year, but still could be sixteen depending on. You know if he gets labeled as a linebacker defense then but I digress Devin Bush is going to be better people forget about him. He's going to be better Vince Williams. Being A full-time starter, not having this question mark about whether he you know Mark Barron him last year it's Vince Williams job and Vince. Williams. Good at pressuring the quarterback he's good. Blitzer. I think that this? This act the sack team, the sack masters, the Blitzburgh if you want to call them that. They're going to be equally as good in. Let me just say. That everyone talks about J von. Hargrave. There's one player that can make j von Hargraves memory feel. So distant and rather insignificant in that Steph onto it. It's diff- onto it can stay healthy and that's a big if. If he can stay healthy, he is dominant. I want you to go and look at his stats, Steph onto it. Last season and you might think, Jeff, he got hurt last year. He only played in six games I know. Just do it. Do it to it. That's his little saying go and look up his stats and you will see. The ridiculous numbers that he was putting up before he got hurt. I expect him to pick up where he left off. Speaking of Defensive Lineman. What about Cam Hayward? Your defense captain former former first round pick. He's an all pro. He's a pro bowl. Is the only thing this guy does not have on his resume is a super bowl ring. and. We're not sure about his contract. He's not sure about his contract. He wants a new deal. He's entering the final year contract, which is a very inflated number. I, believe over fourteen, million for two, thousand and twenty. Are The steelers going to give him a deal? They're not sure because the NFL's not sure. They. They could give Cam Hayward a big deal. Give a big signing bonus that they have to be very wary of the twenty, twenty, one salary cat. This is this is a minute. Conversation for another time. But I think that the steelers have to get a deal done with Cam Hayward. If if anything to get your their salary cap number down this year and then also go to prevent from twenty, twenty, one, a drop out of the, it's going to be ugly. If the twenty twenty one salary cap does decrease although I'm pretty sure they're gonNA, keep it at one, Ninety, eight point two, which is what it is right now in terms of millions. Cams. Got To get a new deal. He's gotta get a new deal because he is that nucleus for this team. He's not super flashy. He's not the Aaron Donald. Tight that everyone talks about how? Oh, my gosh, Aaron Donald Come into town. No one says Cam Hayward's come into town. But that doesn't mean that reckitt hayward is not doing damage. He's worth every bit of that money I. Think they're gonNA, give him a new contract. It'll happen closer to the start of the season when they have a little bit of a better grasp as to what the salary cap looks like their financial situation, they might be moving some money around elsewhere I. Get a deal with Cam because it's really really important, and that is a really big important part of this defense if you take. That contract stuff off of Cam. Hayward's mind entering the season. He's has the security. He knows he's GonNa play probably his last contract in the NFL with the Pittsburgh steelers, the team that drafted him in the city where his father played iron head hayward that would get him unbelievably motivated like I said the only thing that this guy has left to fill out the last box to check on his actual to do as or his resume is a super bowl win. That's it. In this defense I used the word earlier elite. This defense can be elite. If, two, thousand, nineteen didn't tell you anything is that this defense can be elite in I am very close to saying they will be elite barring the injury bug taking them out. I like who they drafted. I think that they have good position players across the board. And they should their riddled with first and second round draft picks. But, if this team wants to win a super bowl. IF THEY WANNA. Bring number seven back to Pittsburgh. If they WANNA push themselves away from those that team up north the new. England patriots and say, we are the cream of the crop when it comes to number seven, seven, super? Bowl wins. It's going to be on the defense. It's going to be on the defense to continue to take the ball away. It's going to be on the defense to continue to sack the quarterback. It's going to be on the defense to set up this offense in, put them in a position to succeed they did it last year. They did it last year? They just didn't have the offense to do it period. This year with Ben Back, if he is even seventy five percent of what he used to be. They will be in the driver's seat ready to make some noise. But folks, the wait is almost over. It's almost over. I hope that you are looking at this in being optimistic. And when I say that, there's a lot of people that are skeptical about whether this even happened. Look if the if the floor falls out or the rug gets pulled out from underneath our feet then so be it. But every single one of US listening to this podcast, it'd be excited about the potential of the twenty twenty Pittsburgh steelers. In until. Something happens prepare for a great season. There might not be fans in the seats I don't care. Some football or football with? No fans is better than no football. I think you all would agree with. The wait is almost over folks. The wait is almost over my gosh that Shell. Good. Felt good to be back. It felt good to be back. I'm really really really happy back here behind the steel curtain. 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Stat Geek Q&A: How do the contract restructures impact the Steelers after 2020?

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Stat Geek Q&A: How do the contract restructures impact the Steelers after 2020?

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We had a lot of fun talking about the moves the steelers have made and the move there could still make what was still a possibility and all that other stuff so of course here we are about an about about an hour later. Lance Williams is now telling me that. Bj Finney got sent to Seattle or Seattle so the time lag between here and California. I guess he did. Yeah that's what I said. That the joke and yes and for someone who asked in the live chat. He wants to know if I'm watching Oak island after the QNA Yeah it's on. Dvr So that was something that I mentioned on on on the steelers preview that that's that the Christopher guy on history channel is probably my favorite show on television. I've never missed an episode. Something I didn't say on the first show but I gotta say now. I thought it was a better too when anything so I hope she's listening. And that is. We've got to give a big birthday shoutout to Marmalades Williams it is Lance Williams. Mother's birthday today. So land says make sure we give a big shout out. I said that's cool. I said you know what else my best friend growing up. It's his birthday today as well. It's skis birthday. If you didn't know that so my brother obviously new my new my best friend growing up. I decided on but yeah other than his birthday. Yeah it's birthday skipping abby very holly Williams Model Lance Williams and you know what? She's I've seen her before and I'm so sorry I can't remember your first name. I'll just call her Mama Lance Williams so I would rather say that than get wrong so and we are getting happy. Birthdays Lynch his MOM's Areo Cathy. She's she's on it right. There tie had it as well so now for those of you that are coming in firing off questions will get the questions here and a little bit so I know you got a good one nursing. I'll let you know when they're coming but we're GONNA we're GonNa talk about something first and then opened up the question so it's great if you typed it already you guys can discuss but if it's a great question once once. I said what makes you bring it back up again. So here's what we're going to talk about. We talked about the steelers. Free agent signings. We talked about their restructures. We talked about their cuts boy. We're GONNA focus specifically on those restructures. How are they gonNA affect the steelers more than in two thousand twenty? What's the effect to these various restructures that we have now this? I teach this at the end last show as I said where where Jeff is saying. Hey these restructures are showing that the steelers are in are in widnall mode. I don't necessarily agree with that. I think would now mode but I don't think that when you see we're now mode that saying that that would now because I don't spy we're going to spend it all now have to get rid of half our team because we gotta get under the Cap exactly when you know would now mode I think of honestly I think something like was it. Was it like the Tampa Bay rays or the Florida. Marlins Florida mark twice. That's probably a better example. Two different times the loaded up all young talent. They made a big push to the world series. They win it all now and they get rid of everybody up. So that's that's wicked now bowed. I'm GonNa win now and then K. Losing again for a while. The steelers will never have that mentality in my opinion. You know maybe I shouldn't say never because you never know when they get a different change in front office people. I don't believe that for the time being the steelers are going to be that philosophy. I think this past year showed us the lost Ben Rothlisberger for the season two. They say oh. Well we'll pack it in and get a high draft pick. Nope let's trade that pick and get a transcendent defensive player. I think the steelers handling this wisely in my opinion and this is GonNa lead into answering this question and that is yes. You're like well. You only have so much time left with Ben Rothlisberger true but what are they doing with what. What are they doing to prepare for that? Our people think the answer to to what the steelers do after. Ben Rothlisberger is having the next quarterback. I personally I think the steelers answer to that question is having a dominant defense that they're loading up on this defense. Invested a ton of first round draft picks brought in first round draft picks. Got All this stuff would ben. Rothlisberger goes on. The steelers are going to be a competitive team because of their defense. That's that's my opinion. So that's why. I think it's not a win now mode it's we're going to win now and we're going to keep on winning. What do you think of that? It's a we're trying to do is to put together the best team kid now without totally mortgaging the future with that set did the steelers mortgage the future by doing restructure of Ben Rothlisberger contract numbers out that I want to say I'm going to say a little bit now. This is what birthday. Yeah Yeah we give them a little bit on next year but then still looking down the road another year is all that cat coming off the books exactly exactly and We'll we'll talk about Rothlisberger. That's the one that concerns me the most because if you look at the restructures let's look at them. You got a little bit from Boswell. You got a little bit from Hayden and you got a little bit from. I guess it was the first one that they had because it started off with three That it was that it was Hayden it was Boswell my goodness why can I remember talking about the first McDonald's McDonald's we talked about that yeah? Mcdonald's we focused on that for a long time with the last show McDonald combined. Those cost you around six million. The McDonald's really not that big of a deal because he had three years remaining to spread this out over. So it's not a McDonald wasn't just twenty. Twenty twenty twenty one. He also got to go to twenty twenty two so that was Nelson Person MacDonald MacDonald David Twenty two. Yep what's that same? Thank you David. Twenty Two oh I knew Nelson. I'm standing Nelson Gas. I'm saving Nelson. Boswell was the one that they got to move out for three years MacDonald. I'm sorry I said that right. It's so Boswell's really wasn't all that bad but you think about it. That's six million dollars that they saved probably probably about probably five million. That goes out of the next year's cap and one million to one beyond servers. There's that one now. Let's talk about Madison. There's lance yeah we thought we we're talking about an hour ago and we gave a happy birthday to your mom. I hope you can hear it lands so we open the last show with fending. We we know that being out there on the left coast lance that you know everything three hours behind so you know. Hey Lance Lance's in Atlanta's in a rough area right now where they're looking at a lot of a lot of really big shutting everything down so Let's let's let's keep it on the steelers though when it comes to Nelson C. I'm using these numbers because these numbers that that Jerry Dulack of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette put out there. He didn't assign specific numbers two players. He just said that the steelers cleared twenty million dollars in these restructures. Well they cleared six million in the first three. That means it was fourteen million in the other two Nelson could only give about four million which means the other ten million was Ben Rothlisberger. Nelson's four million going from this year to next year. I don't think that's as much bigger deal. Because next year is his sign Nelson to an extension year correct so that could then help that number. Come down even more you taken number and you bump the next year but then you're going to take a little bit off of that number because you're going to spread it out further out and it might make that year about the same as what the rest of his years right so that one. I don't know that it's going to hurt as much the one. That's killer the one because it's half of the money they they supposedly did. Is that ten million dollars. If that's what it ends up being with Ben Rothlisberger because he's only got one more year after it and that meant means all ten million that they don't use this year is ten million towards the cap next year now. Some people get confused by this. There are people now honest. I'M GONNA say people that are tuning in here in the live chat and Luigi lists the podcast. You probably got this now because you guys listening to pay attention more than other people but I see it out there on social media when you hear the term restructure. That is not a player taking less money to help the team. That's not what it is. All that player is doing is taking their salary for this season giving it to them totally guaranteed. There's an upfront bonus. So they have it now and then therefore it counts. It gets split up over the life of the contract that they have left. Everyone must dealers. It's either two or three years because they don't have anyone beyond three years with the right now so that's how that works so so that money doesn't go away. It's counting towards the salary cap. The question is when it's count sorts of cap so so before this restructure Ben Rothlisberger was thirty three point five million towards the cap this year and thirty one point five billion towards the cap next year if he's really down to twenty three point five towards the mid towards the cap the three point five million towards the cap this year. That's GONNA put him around. Forty one point five million dollars towards next year salary cap. Do you see that as a problem. Potentially it's a big number where it makes a lot of different thoughts run through my mind. Okay out here and talk a hypothetical. Put It out there. So do the does. Ca- commie crazy does bend signed an extension bent signed extension for one year. Okay for one year. Maybe he finally does something not yet. Super Nice end of his career and he takes a one year deal for load money. Take that CAP. Hit turned into bonus. Spread it over the two. Maybe I don't know but otherwise otherwise that number it hurts. I mean they'll get that. Number's going hurt absolutely absolutely. I just going to see if there's a dispute going on about about the signing of Derek Watt in the live chat. Some people love it. Some people hate it a couple of people there couple of regular day back and forth. I will tell you know someone who hates it. The hater hates it and he's worse Williams hatred for fullback. I understand so. Here's the thing with Ben. I know she's doing out some stuff here. Now here's here's what I think is going to happen with Ben Okay. There's a couple of scenarios and it all comes down to twenty nine hundred and my opinion. Actually put this out to flip this earlier today. I said I think if Ben has if ben comes back and banished strong and Ben has a great year. Okay well like some people say what if he has such a good year wins. The superbowl wouldn't shock if retired. Then you're GONNA have to deal with some of his money but hammill tiring is just is just the same as if they were to cut it if ben has another. Let's say Ben has another two thousand nineteen? Let's say he's injured doesn't play much or is not super effective when he did when he does play because you have to admit he was not very effective in a little bit that we saw him in two thousand nineteen part of that was the opponents. I think a lot of that with the elbow. So unless you say it's another twenty nineteen of not very good production and a lot of injury. If the steelers decide I hate to even say the words to release Ben Rothlisberger then instead of forty one and a half million on the books they get nineteen point five of that next year base salary that they wouldn't have to pan right so that still comes down. That's still like what is at twenty two twenty twenty three million approximately twenty three million books. That's what they ate when they traded Mr Third and fifth when you think about it. That's a lot of money for someone on your team. But you run the risk with that with Ben Rothlisberger but the other option is also what you said. If Ben Roethlisberger comes back and play so well that it appears that he could continue to play. Then maybe the steelers say. Let's sign you for another deal or not going to break. We're not gonNA break the bank one. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA pay seven million. Yeah we'RE GONNA pay you. Go Pay Low. We're going to spread out your your signing bonus and stuff from before of what we you know what we would you know. Take take the cap hit down as much as they can for next year. Okay and if you don't WanNa play on that last year retire that's up to you that allows us to have that last year out of there with you off the books now that kind of messes up my whole theory of being able to pay. T. J. Watt but loads of money. Because because Ben's gone but if that's the issue you're having because Ben's playing well then that's not a bad problem half so that's just that's just me so I think this is the season twenty. Twenty is the year the tells us what to do with Ben Rothlisberger. If it's a very rough year I think it'll be as lashed one. If it is the championship year. It very well could be his last one. If it's a highly effective you know on the brink year. You could see him come back and then maybe like that. Like I said that extension might not even be for even play but then the question is what he'd be willing to do that. It's a it's a good question I think it does. I think the restructure of Ben Creates a problem for the steelers that they didn't have otherwise. And I for one of the owners want to do. It almost had to do it because we framed tries debris yes that was the cost of Franchising Dupree. So when you look at that and now the big hit on on Rothlisberger next year then that makes people say well Dave. You're wrong that means they're only going to have to play under the tag for one year and they're going to draft replacement this year and they're going to move on from him. I don't see that like I said I don't see I don't want any year for pre to count more than what's more or much more than what the tag would count now. Maybe back ended stuff in here for that. It would be a big number that then they could say they don't want they don't want him back and they cut him or they sign and beyond that and got number down again. That's the only your new PRI that I wanna see that's that's more than what this year would be if he plays on the tack. That's why they WANNA do it. So that's what I do. So I think by Restructuring Nelson. I think that tells me what we all know. They need to sign him after the season long term. I mean he doesn't even have to have the exact same year that he had last year. Just get pretty close because he was. I'm sorry he was are better corner. Joe Haden the pro bowl because he had interceptions Steven Nelson didn't house may chance to catch interceptions. In my opinion he played better over the course of the year. And what just what's amazing is just having both of them along with Mika. So that's that's great anything about that before we open diplomatic. What's GonNa Watch that? They have so much to that. We need to make sure you have plenty of time. There's been a lot going on in the previous show. It seems to be a lot going on here so I just said questions in the live chat from that point on. I'm going to be looking just to comment on something. I said he said Steven Nelson was top. Five in the league last year I looked up like I said you don't always have to put your faith in pro football folk rankings but he was ranked very high with it with pro football focus so much higher than Hayden. I don't know that he was five. He might have been six But I can't remember might have been eight. It was single digits. Say That Okay. Here you go. Where's Jj why? Why isn't he already in Pittsburgh? It's really funny. Because if you're on twitter Brett Kiesel said on twitter hey. Jj. Why don't you come to Pittsburgh? Ninety nine still available because that was bred. Kiesel number actually responded wanted to know if the beard Kim along with the number a that was pretty nice. But you know it's a lot of fun it was really funny to see. Jj Watt also. Say Well with this going on now. There's not going to be much of an argument. Who Mom and dad's favorite team leads to it so nobody asks her unfortunately. Jj is down here in Houston which just seems to be a best right now. I know somebody I saw this all over on behind the curtain dot com your one-stop shop for Pittsburgh steelers. I even saw some other people in various places. It's Houston offer this year's offering me or two fourth round picks for that you have this year and they'll probably trade him to you because of you know in reference to the De'andre Hawkins Trade so Roller questions I know. Yeah okay. I'm going to try to remember. You have a super chat feature type in type in your question. Hit the hit. The dollar sign donate any amount. You want to the show. We will bring it up another. Get All your questions. I might have to skip some What do you think the sues were assigned to make up for losing hargrave rich free agent? Wise I don't WanNa say totally because again I know Colbert or he is out there. If he finds a good deal on somebody he might he might go for it but I don't know that we're going to. Here's my thing if you can get someone for the right price and let's say you need a little bit more. I would sign them at the expense of cutting big Dan mccullers. He's only one hundred twenty five thousand in dead money he would save one point five million. They're not cutting now because they've already lost hargrave but you do that. You bring him in. Because frankly I thought Henry Henry Munro looked great. Last year. He was on the practice squad last year. I could see him moving in being there six linemen. That's probably not even active on game days. If they go out and sign someone else I stay. It's a possibility so here we go someone someone did. Tell me up. And of course there goes the live chat skipping that that Nelson was seven to the corners on P. Pro football focus. Okay Justin Sayers to it and a and a fourth for what no way stuff onto. It costs more money to get rid of them to with. I mean because of that because what they'd have to do with this with this salary It's just too much. I mean. I guess they could do a post June first cutting out that there's a new CBA. I kind of forgot to mention that whole thing so no I don't want to give up onto it. That's just me West one. No do you think they could add a safety free rich possibly? Yeah that's They might look around and see what's out there. Let's let's let's look at the positions you think they could add safety linebacker. David Chen Bayer and baron okay. I don't think they go outside. Linebacker age I would say defensive line they could get offer fly right and technically tight end because whether it's neck or somebody else those those places. I could see them going. Free Agent. Wouldn't be shocked at there wasn't like a wide receiver remember. They did Johnny Alton. Although he wasn't more of a special team guy that was a wide receiver so but like I say steelers draft wide receivers. You could just go there late in the draft North Top. I'm going to bring up. I liked it. Do you think the Texans would accept a pack of SKITTLES FOR JJ WATT? Yeah exactly. That's why it skills in some subway subs. Yeah I was GONNA say the case. Beef Jerky Rhino Toll. Said this in surprised. They apparently didn't try to keep any. I don't know if they did or didn't mark. Bali of athletic said exactly what I thought for the price they finish got. Outta kept him for that. Yeah hiring is difficult. You're looking for the just right candidate for your team's unique needs but knowing where to start the search can be challenging according to ziprecruiter research three out of four employers say. They're having a hard time filling open positions. If you've got a difficult role to fill no matter what industry you're in hire with Ziprecruiter and right now you can try ziprecruiter for at ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. Vox here's how ziprecruiter finds candidates that you can get excited about. 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I did like it at the time. I didn't like the way it played out. I thought that I even did an article that said it got beat bleacher. Report ran at that. I felt I felt. Tikolo was the worst free agent signing they had last year and that included Dante Mockeries. Because not only that it kept them from getting another. Coptic but with the last I would have liked them to kept eljay Ford at the price. He ended up leaving four and they didn't seem with Finney. I would have kept him at that price. I know Lance Williams probably wouldn't half and I and I don't know flip. What navidad price so. But they didn't. So that's what happened. George wants to know. Would it take for them to trade by depre- away to like the Texans? You gotta come back to Miami so curtain DOT COM. I know sometime here in the next week. Sub Them Flip is working on is is that I can. Trade of budget pre not a good idea. I don't know exactly where it's going with it but I know he's I know he's working on that and I'm really interested seeing what he has to say with. That came a steeler fan. Seventy four longtime listener. We need a backup center. Where do we get that? My big question is if they let Finney go do they think? Jc has an hour who they brought up the last week. When when Patsy was out do they like him word. You are they going to go somewhere else. I don't know I don't know what they think it's a again. I still think they have a plan. They're a much sure if it's a they have somebody there looking at elsewhere or like you said if they like What's his name some guy? Sorry Yeah I've half an hour. It's Patrick Morris who they brought up but then lost to the broncos because they cleaned off waivers if we had this year's rules for CBA he could come up and played and could've gone back without going on. There's just because the way they do it Lumber something lumberjack. I get it now. Lumberjack said sits depre- longterm. How would that affect the tag? I don't know if you've been tagger cap if you meant cap. We talked about it on the last show. A bottom line is the franchise. They haven't till July fifteenth right and we get to work out potentially save couple million bucks for this year. West said this but I highly doubt it's up. Tell me if the text cut. Jj All bets are off. Outwards said the tag for on the to do that just because it would be fun but but I don't know but like. Jj says he doesn't play the same position as DJ. Buddy sorry TJ because technically derek could be DJ because his middle name starts with J but he's specifically goes with. Derek doesn't want doesn't want to be like the other two just to see all of them together. That would be interesting but jj says now he's defensive end. He's not an outside linebacker interesting. I don't know we all dream couldn't we. I never imagined they would've signed Eric. Holden wants to know who else in a writer for Free Agency? I don't have any specific oils. There was I'll be honest with you. There was somewhat. I wanted the steelers to possibly go get in place of Bud Duprey because it was a cheaper option and that was new England patriots plot. The sorry through. Open my mouth a little bit happen to say the words. Kyle van Noy. Yeah no mom. Dad's House Davis. Like Harry Davis big wanted to get vinoy house like I said if they didn't tag you pre right. I said who someone out there that could give you similar production but not cost as much money. That was the one name I had. Now he went to the dolphins twelve and a half million per season. But I mean would you take breed to twelve and a half million per season four years? That's what that's what Van. Noy was so now he didn't have as many SAX last year's pre but again can't trust them all time but pf greetings he was ranked much higher than debris he was ranked about eight spots higher. So that was something that I would have thought but then again like I say they know what they got. You're familiar with everything so there were. That was the only other free agent I knew out there but I knew when they tagged your pre that. That wasn't that wasn't even remotely a possibility. I don't know I don't have any other names out there. I focus so much on the steelers. I couldn't tell you most I mean believe it or not Derek. What was one of the few names I knew it was a free agent? And that's only because he was. Tj's brother and people have talked to in West mentioned. It weeks ago on the show about getting brain wants to know the total amount so far reported Jerry Dulack now these are estimate because nothing. Nothing's beneficial it was twenty million dollars saved in restructures total. He wouldn't have how many restructured as well. How many five five restructures for Twenty Mil five restructures for Twenty Mail? All that money is going to have to have to go on the books at some point. It's just not an issue so desmond says a different tack where safety. I think those are both positions. We mentioned that positions that that could be their game. This was kind of A. WE'RE DALLAS said. Does this mean the fullback position is going to be an important role this year? After not using fullback last year a lot of people I saw talking about the whole Matt Candida quarterbacks coach affect member. He's a quarterbacks coach. He's not the offensive coordinator but he will get some say and he did use fullbacks more in his offenses when he was in college. Reportedly I don't know as much about that. So do you have anything? You're probably going to use the fullback board folks have been saying over in the live. Chat is Dirk what feels too rosy fill he can fill in at fullback spots for Rosie Nixon. He's also GONNA pick up on special teams where we lost. Medicare which I think. He just jumped. Okay here we go reginal. What's to know? Should the steelers targeted at forty nine? If the right ones I've maybe I really think it's that pool of players. And it's still it's still shaping out because they're not done a free agency it's at pool of positions that you look at things that you could use. And what are you looking at those positions the one tight end? I liked that. I've that I've looked a little bit into his troutman from from Dayton. I'd like to see him ultimately. I would like to see him in the third round. I don't think he lasts all the way to one or two but I think he's a reach at forty nine so that would even be something steelers trading either down down out of guy in the second yes we trade back in the second may be. Pick up an extra Lear on that wouldn't surprise. You could but I mean in the in the mock draft Monday Iran on the was. Oh my goodness was that yesterday and so many stories since then I don't even remember it was at the steelers had their Picota at forty nine. Anyone they wanted and the one that this draft how taking was tied in from Notre Dame is it is it it's I can say right draft km et combat. Yeah I can't say it right so which would be an interesting pick there. I think it really depends on how it shakes down. Some people like. Oh this is such a bad tight end class. No this is a bad taste in class to take them in the first round. It doesn't mean that guys that second round tight ends aren't good in the second round. It means that none of them are good enough to be up in the first round. That's all that means so taking one at forty nine isn't a reach. So you WANNA Talk Political. You get a time out there. You go sorry. This is what I'm doing to do. Some of this talk back and forth so and then someone said tight under a lot of forty. I'd be more than happy with that an awfully. I you might even WanNa consider Bob if the right ones there. It's the deep outside. Linebacker ED rushing class. If you don't think dupree dancer much longer or if you really think you need that guy that your main backup guy I wouldn't. I wouldn't be upset with him for the trigger even with what Andy. Pre there that that if I had those those three positions are my my three as you guys know. I don't WanNA running back or wide receiver in that spot because of what's already have so just me says they're good backup. Qb around no. You're not spending one more dollar on that position. You're spending too much already. No no no no no no no. So what money? Yeah yes people. If starting talk talk political don't answer them because I want to block you for it either. So that's your warning so it's not blocking. It's just a time out. You can come back in five minutes. So douse wants to know because of the Restructuring Donald. Are we keeping gentry looking at another tied? Ed I sit on the preview. I could see a scenario. Where Zach is not make the fifty three man roster? It happened last year their fifth round pick from the year before their fifth round. Pick before made made the roster's first year did not make the roster the second tier one on the practice squad. That was Marcus Allen now. They brought him back towards the end of the year whenever they released Why can't he started in week? One he was from the AF. Yeah Todd trouble with the law why you should because all I think about that was Mak- yeah exactly so. I'm sure people were saying the live chat. But I'M GONNA say over here in the live. Chat has been hate haters. GotTA HATE FLATS. Williams hates fullbacks. Yeah why's lanes actually say? Oh my gosh. He's all over saying that. You sign a fullbacks like gin. You're getting your wife a vacuum cleaner for Christmas and things like that. So so that's Lance. Okay he's gotta live up to the name so I just got a message from. It's a little. He said he'd here was everybody. I want everyone to know this. Everyone know this. I missed it in the live chat lance wings. Mothers came into the live chat. She she heard it. She wants to thank everyone for the birthday wishes so from lands. That's fantastic. Yes I'm glad he sent me that. One Mama's are happy. Birthdays have worth hip on Lance Williams for. You didn't hear if Mama lanes birthday now you know again. So she's getting it again giving her all those happy birthdays we can. What more can the steelers get draft capital wise from Crazy Chris? I don't know I think this is kind of a year. Where they're JUST GONNA. Kinda do their stuff you know. They don't have the third because of moving up for Bush. They don't know the first because of Fitzpatrick they don't have either of the fifths. They originally add mainly because they moved up the say originally they picked up a fifth for Dobbs traded it for Vanette and then traded away their fifth to move up to the end of the fourth with with the Dolphins. Pick that they got from the titans so I don't know everything I could potentially see him doing is if they get to a spot and and trade back in the second trait trade out that forty nine trade back in. Pick up then extra. Maybe yeah I mean it's not much we can make us ball move to pick up a pick later on. That's about it. Yeah Mike Mike. Flip told us this last week. I think he told us off the air when we were done. A lot of he really liked the different Bush pick last year. It wasn't he didn't like Devin. Bush is that he felt that it was a deep draft and in a draft. That was in a prime position to move back. And get picks. The steelers moved up the reason. I didn't have a problem with that is because they had ten picks last year and to move back and get more picks. I didn't think was as important taking those picks and moving up and getting a better player but everyone has different philosophy. So douse wants to know do we do. We do. We balance replacement in this year's draft. I don't at center. I really don't hire. I mean if bottom line is there's a chance that if the steelers take guard or center it would be the top one aboard at forty nine. 'cause there's not anyone that's really got a first round grade as of right now and you know how things change that leads up to the draft. I'm John Says Duck for seventh year right like anyone would do that. People want to say it. We're GONNA say it again. Why why don't you say no before you bring up the question? No Yep yeah now you see the question. It was the right answer. Wasn't it no levy on back to the steelers? Actually leave on so I don't know I we're not. We're not going to happen anymore. Mr Button get rob. We're done so let's see west of trying to read. It was was saying here. This was west. Got This report where it's from. I want to trust it as a report. That's what your members. The report porn on the Internet Pittsburgh and fifty were going to work out a deal however they were informed that feeney had to year nine and a half million offer that they didn't feel comfortable at price. Are you sure that the right number He might have already fixed it. That was what Medicaid cuts so. I don't know if that was if that was the case. Or if he ended up getting the deal that they thought he would get king. David I think you're right. They believe in szucs and manner of I liked it. They got banner a little bit cheaper than what it would have been the tender him. That was nice If these are repeat questions I'm I'M NOT GONNA ask them. Mark wanted to know he wanted to say he agree with me that we should've kept fort last year. He was he was for the purple team. Man Yeah was one of those guys. I was a little sad that we didn't hold onto. We've we've answered some of these other. 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I mean especially if lost Finney because now you can move filer down guard if you need to and now he's that backup tackle and the can play that extra tight end if you WANNA use them. If szucs ends up being you're right I mean. The steelers are in a position to where they can start their lineup. They had against the rams. Yes okay. I'm trying to remember. Because was count was pouncey. Wisconsin senator against the rams. That wasn't one of the Games. He was suspended because they hadn't they hadn't played the the Brown County was center. Is the remember the first snap game? Whatever that's right. Yes of course US at center but they played they played filer at guard and they played Chuka tackle. So that could very well be be this. 'cause 'cause didn't Foster missed like two games in there somewhere. And that's what that was. Yeah Reginald Sad. How many Games home? How many players will address on Sundays? Apparently it's going to be two more than it has been in years past so I think that starts this year. Not what the seventeenth game comes in. I'm pretty sure I wanted to question from Frankel from whatever fragrance rangel test passed or did I not get. I think you might have gone past it. It was just asking. If you're going to try for kicker this year I hadn't seen that one No no no no no You know last year. I thought you had a chance but Baas had a pretty good year last year then so now I don't think he will. Trial Yep Justin wants to know. Can they bring back on a cheaper deal? They can know if they would. I don't know if they would he? I don't know that he would bear on a cheaper deal. If you're talking only being I don't know maybe three million. I would consider that I'd rather you know two for this year. I don't think he was particularly happy. Here I don't know so I'm trying to what I'm getting into. Now is a lot of answers to other questions on here which is nice but that does sometimes make it difficult to find question. I haven't missed projector anything ever BRO. No I would've brought your attention too so I guess here you go. This is true north opposite my only problem with signing New England. Guys that you don't know if there are system player not that's true that's true about with when I mentioned Van Noy but that's that's gone. That was that was only if what happens what happens. If they lose depre- that was that ultimate question of is there any answers but I don't see it saw. There's an interesting thing. Maxwell says he his his his guests is PAT's Cam Newton. Okay I don't know who's who's quarterbacking in New England. I don't know That that's a good question would be that would be reportedly going to Tampa. That would be interesting. I hadn't thought of that Reiner Tool. Says anyone else shocked? Ab has been able to stay on the news this long. I've not because I think he's getting the proper help that he needs. Which would keep him out of the news. In my opinion Mark Watson offered just throwing Nixon the trash honestly. I don't want to. I Love Roosevelt Mix. I was ready to Jersey and then he got hurt The biggest thing with NIX is I mean if they're signing what you can't really keep two fullbacks. Sorry what? That's just what the steelers are going to do. Guira wants to know if we could get someone like Eric Ibran. I don't know what he's going for but I have a feeling it's more than what the steelers can pay so yeah So getting some answers to things that I don't know what the questions were a lot of fun. I think I've been close to getting caught up. We're not because I'm probably going to just jump a whole bunch right now so it's been a lot of fun. I think we're GONNA call tonight with fact because there's a lot of still a lot of question marks but my question for you because I think you've answered it at a bunch so I'm just going to throw it out there and everyone listening because we know your answer. Do you have faith in the steelers in their front office in Kevin Colbert. That they have a plan with what they're doing yes I'm pretty confident. It comforts gotTA gotTa plan. They obviously had a plan. And you know. Once the they went they came in with a plan. Because wow that was an awful lot of stuff happening quickly So I'm guessing. Yeah he he's got a plan I think he's executed a big part of his initial plan here. Now you're going to see him Get more into what I like to call. Maybe a little more his sniper mode where. He's looking real specific here. They're keeping options open saying. Hey you know. In fact he gets a great if not leave. We're going to give it this way in the draft. He's playing a lot of options. So trusting now say having always been able to save and I felt great about what the front office is up to but lately I've felt pretty good. Yeah I'm thinking about this. Derek Watt signing and. Yeah like you say. They're put more money towards full backing others might like. But here's the deal. I'm wondering if this is a you're gonNA laugh. I'm GONNA throw the name out there. Good 'cause I got to use it in order quarter night. Is this a call at HCT situation? Remember when the steelers drafted called Hobo. Who was not good enough to win the job by the way. Instead was cameron candidate who did get signed today but the whole reason. They drafted the whole. Why are they doing that? They got a great long. Snapper Greg Warne. Guess what guess what it was? They knew that Greg Warren had any problem and Hebrews done. They knew it don't know if he knew it for sure. I don't know how it all went out. That was the problem they knew injury was going to keep him from from being able to perform so they did something else to help with that position when they could is that what happened with Roosevelt. Mix to the steelers know that his knee never gonNa let him be the player that he's going to be which is sad which is very sad but I don't think the steelers make this move. Roosevelt mix is two thousand seventeen even better two thousand sixteen by two thousand eighteen or even better. Two thousand seventeen to seventeen was when he was the pro bowler. Yup there might be something more there. We don't know there's a lot of stuff we don't know we don't know the exact numbers on some of these restructures. These steelers could still be over the CAP for all we know. And there's numbers that were projected. We're not correct. We're just going with what people what other others have reported. I haven't spoken to anyone. Just run a members myself so it's been a long at a lot of fun I like. Wd realize we spent. Oh my goodness probably twenty or more minutes just doing live chat stuff with fair which is great which is which is Great. So thank you on the live chat. I never really thought about the whole thing with Roosevelt Nixon. How hurt he could be that. So many other things have been on my brain it keeps bringing it up because he said actually it was knicks. Healthy start started him talking about. I remember West. You talk started bringing this up a couple of weeks ago Kept bringing up and I kept again now. What they're not. GonNa do that or not. GonNa do that. They did that so I'm starting to think because I think that steelers knicks will not be the you know. Even if he continues to play won't be the player that they needed him to be. That's why they probably chose to move on. Yes exactly and sometimes you. Sometimes the team has to do that when the players still doesn't realize it. I don't know next knows it or not but we'll see we'll see it's been a lot of fun we'll have more stuff. I mean my goodness the got accepted on Sunday. And there's been so much news we didn't even talk about it really so wow. I know and just think all this action and officially the League Year hasn't even started yet so we'll see how continues to play out but it's it's made my life pretty crazy here but you know right now. I'll take it. It's nice to it's nice to not have to search for different things to write about. Well better update them on what we got going. Podcast Wasser sweet. Oh exactly we gotta do well first of all I was GonNa say when I talk about writing. It's behind still curtain dot com. It's your one stop shop for all things. Pittsburgh steelers make. Sure you're checking out lots of great stuff there. My goodness we have a lot out there with this news. So make sure check out there. We've got our whole family. Podcast coming up. We got tomorrow night. We get the standard of the standard. I know that Lance had hinted at getting wet stone into talk some numbers there. We'll see if that's still on the on the agenda or not but if not W W on with plenty of great stuff. Thursday preview might be a little bit different because of all the news. We've had with just how we do it but it's going to be there. It's going to be my cell phone Jeff Than Brian. Anthony Davis and who knows if there's anybody else have we got lances. Yeah set it on Friday. We've got the steelers burning question on Saturday. Which SHOULD BE BRIAN? Anthony Davis weekend and then Sunday. We're back with the homer hater show back with QNA with with Tony with tone-deaf and bad if we really want to go there and then we'll be back next. Tuesday was stat geek and with probably even more numbers to talk about. How off final question? How different is the steelers roster going to be when we come back on next week? Who knows you know? 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