20 Episode results for "Rosser"

Ron Rosser, U.S. Army, Korea, Medal of Honor

Veterans Chronicles

31:57 min | 1 year ago

Ron Rosser, U.S. Army, Korea, Medal of Honor

"Let's say you just bought a house bad news is you're one step closer to becoming the modal on again good news it's easy to bundle home and auto through Progressive Ronald Rosser who was awarded the Medal of honor for his Valor and Korea and Sir it's an the the older son of seventeen children they never knew me there's just I was rumored to them so I never come back so you joined the army right after World War Two to begin well actually about two stopped for the most part and in August but there was show holdouts control they took her those problems I understand so how long were you in the first winning eighty second airborne when I was seven right after a turn seventeen I flew a lot but I never landed lunch in an airplane always at that time had a had pretty well enough of it and yeah I saw a guy make a parachute jump from a hot air balloon were one guy you're the army was cutting down a lot at that time action to that and then how that immediately led to you wanted to get back in well and all my life you know fought for my brothers it was just some stranger killing my brother not an enemy and I made there's one week actually all it did was quote underneath a barb wire stopped in Japan they took me off the boat in Japan and cookie a chance to go to Korea and when I got to Korea the her because I've been trained since almost the day I went in the army just start with uh when they expose themselves and even if they don't expose themselves I dust with mortar fire and artillery fire because there was a lot of targets the best way to put it that in America I'm killed twenty people in hand to hand combat I had a bad sense terr- rattling your cage I just got I just the middle of July of Nineteen nineteen the first three months I was there about two thousand men were the push to get into this in fact when I when I got to the tuners of first governor said I'm not going down to thirteen cabinet I'm going online I Governor House Academy I'm not going to the third pretender and the other tune I'm servers radio operators and says Sir I'm the Best Ford Observer you're ever server I was actually wounded four times I got wounded on they to the hand into the arm or through the shoulder your first experience in combat like after all that training exactly what I expected a great risk to yourself of course say aren't you afraid to die in Ron said I'm not even afraid of living the figuring out exactly where to call in I could more about three different and sway ended up you have to develop much of a relationship with the people and whatever else I needed and I had with me was a radio man and I lost eight of them three killed and that was a thing that could happen any day and be quite a reunion I can promise you they made me feel bad to Mr Rosser let's go to January of Nineteen fifty infantry our objective that day was a battalion got to the hill the artillery Ford Observer had been wounded and lost his sergeant ended about thirty five jail on her feet the weather was left and I called the regimental commander giving the situation ended and he said is becoming commander live I said yes or his whole face was talk to him so they're criminals says I want you to reorganize your man and make one final Johnny's face I heard somebody say I'll take him up for you captain demand burp gun lines submachine gun line and five heavy machineguns yeah you're GonNa do that now should well only way I know Sir as smooth fast and Gwen got all the men that were left and told them what our objective was hi gave the word and jumped up and I said let's go and I didn't feet from the Chinese and I stopped to look back and I was by myself green and jumped into trench with him I was so close I was actually checking my car being in there I just cleaned out a whole trench got the end of the trenching knocked out just and so I- charged him you know worked both ways you know and other than that they were running by me an hour stacking them up into tranches they run by me I'm kid broke through to me and he he was wounded badly almost immediately ignored 'em connecticut didn't had no ammunition and got this kid on my shoulder pain got thirty five yards and I was laughing and this lieutenant autonation I gotta get Rambo and he looked at me real funny and you and I thought I'm we'll get killed can handle it as your lieutenant up the mountain a win again by myself I blessed told me and beat me with rifles and and know about another dozen piled on me and got a gun that could have picked you off you made it back down the hill and I really loaded up with Ms Hang on me and I the Chinese and they couldn't leave one guy was coming at them again and eh instead of shoot me they was watching the hanger date win they went right into trench signees and was trying to get at me and they got in behind back and he was laying he was actually laying right in front of and he didn't fire and so that's the kid I picked up and took safety shing owner turned around and looked at me and it was a guy that that me pass didn't fire that in my whole life and let him live and went on down I ran out ammunition again went down and got some more grenades stuff and went back finding run out amunition and I went down I got in the show walking wounded you've got her and we can find and get these dead and wounded off the mountain and I said we've done some real good and they did quite get to that Opportunity County here and we got out of the hold started walking down the mountain and the Chinese did you see it go the that pretty much ended in fact I was wounded twice that day got hit in the hand and through the shoulder she killed a line assistant report it so I got hit in the foot the first time we're GONNA get hit again and so I didn't turn that in neither my company knew I was wounded honor I got wounded twice that day but only one purple heart the same it'd take you off the line and I didn't want that the it's hard to say you know somebody's good in you know killing in my regimental commander offer you know when I got put him for the Medal of honor ordered me getting hard of hearing and so he he didn't want to say so he said I'll get back WanNa know where he'd put me to keep me alive and chronic say in order from a general officer and Colonel Ronald Koeman we haven't told me that and I said Sir where the sun does shine the General Channel WanNa know I knew then but like everything else you know you never know if you're going to get it you know you're in Fort awarded the Medal of honor and I said no sir and said well we don't what you've done but you've disorders described the day for us when you read the White House with President Truman and his dad hid behind my my father and but I thought it was kind of funny and finally the President took was recording the whole thing and he said hair was a soldier came to that was true to feel that way do you have a private conversation with the president and yes I just finished having a nice conversation with Mr Trump Sir I've been in this office under every president since Franklin Roosevelt he's in Ann Arbor Bowl since Harry Truman I was with Obama five different times I was with the President Kennedy the day before he was killed he had promised to but he's told me there he said he'd stopped indices mother and he was on his way to Dallas so obviously it's been more than sixty years now since the armistice sick on the side of the south can see a huge difference between the north and the south at the same time if an awful lot of people with their I I never fought in South Korea hours fought North Korea the my job was safe protect the lives of about eight hundred the collect a couple of times one time we got hit with about twenty five and guys like me have to slow him down thin amount or the kids are all dead they couldn't get to the kids up as always out in front of the whole some people and wounded wounded got how I have no idea how many more autocratic and just new miserable life for most of their people and South Korea is thriving standing like this you know the North Koreans were scared of Korea. I can tell you that I've watched I've been there many times in fact my it doesn't seem

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Jodi Rosser: Heartbreak of Divorce to Strength

By His Grace

17:24 min | 5 months ago

Jodi Rosser: Heartbreak of Divorce to Strength

"Hey friends it's misty. Phillip I am the host of the by His grace podcast and I wanNA thank you for tuning in today. I am so excited because we hit a major milestone in our listenership last week and simultaneously we hit number one on itunes in both Christianity and spirituality in the country of Paraguay. Wow I'm just blown away. I just WanNa thank you so much for listening to this show. This show exists. Because you listen and I'd love to hear from you and get your feedback on things you'd like to hear and also love it if you would take a moment to leave a review for by. His grace where you listen to podcasts. Because that helps others to find these shows the last couple of weeks. We've BEEN TALKING ABOUT MOTHERHOOD ON EPISODE. Sixty Amanda author of mothering fiercely in a world full of fears encouraged US TO WALK IN FAITH OVER. Fear Motherhood. I know this is something that many are struggling with right now to continue to walk in faith over fear in these uncertain times. I'm actually speaking at a upcoming lead. Her online conference about the very subject. So follow me on social media. If you want more details about that will last week. We talked to September McCarthy. Who talked about the importance of prioritizing our relationship with our husband over our children today. We're going to tackle another difficult motherhood topic and that is Jodi. Rosser is going to share her journey of becoming a single mom from divorce. But I love Jodi and I love her spirit. She's GonNa share how our greatest heartbreaks can become our greatest place of ministry so welcome. Jody Rosser welcome to by His grace. Podcast I'm your host misty. Philip and I am excited to invite my new friend. Jody Rosser to the podcast today. Jodi is a podcast host herself and we met at the hope writers conference last fall and we had an amazing time together. And we're both podcast hosts and we were talking about writing and podcasting and all of the things and we. I invited Jodi at to be a guest today so jody. Welcome to the PODCAST. Thanks for having me misty. It's so fan. I loved meeting with the Hope Writers Conference. Yeah Jodi so why? Don't you tell my audience a little bit about yourself? All right well first of all. I'm a teacher. I'm a science teacher and that's my my job but it's interesting along the way I started writing and that writing has been birthed out of some heartbreak. I've walked through. I'm a single mom. I have two teenagers. One is seventeen almost seventeen and one is almost thirteen. So I am right in the thicket of the teenage years and Sadly I walked through a divorce in two thousand fourteen. It was one of the hardest years of my life and through that God really showed up in ways that I can't even tell you it was. Is there something about going through heartbreak? That draws you closer to God and so I feel like our greatest heartbreaks than become our greatest ministry and so through that God has taken the message that he taught me and now I'm trying to help others find hope and joy and purpose through their unexpected stores. Okay well first of all I want to say. I am sorry about your divorce but I happen to agree with you that it is those deepest struggles that birth our biggest ministry opportunities Yeah I believe that fully Aso. You right You have a blog that you write on and tell us what that is yes so. My blog is called heartbreak to strength. And that's actually the name of the book that I'm writing that I'm hoping to come out soon And basically when we walked through these heartbreaks through these unexpected storms They're the only way to really get through. It is through God's strength. I feel like when I got the news the divorce. I literally thought how making a walk through. This can help my kids and they agree. How am I gonNA Walk to my own grief and every day? I just did not know how it's going to get through it. And I feel like I just really reached out every morning and prayed for God's strength and for his help and he met me in a way that just ignited this fire in me this depth and It really made me strong. And it wasn't my own inner strength. You know wasn't like I was able to do this in my own strength. It was this strength that only came from God and so I saw a direct proportion to how I was doing versus how much time I was spending with got so the mornings that I sometimes I didn't have time or I slept late in those days. Were hard if I start my day and didn't spend time with God. I feel like they were hard days and I love the Jesus calling that devotional It really guided me a lot. Through that first year the first year was the hardest. I felt like they were written for me. It was surreal. I would read it and be like. That's exactly what I needed to hear in the verses and I would just cling to that truth and I remember one day. I didn't read it because life was just busy next day I went back and read it and it was like Oh. That's what I needed yesterday. That's the message. I need it so my blog is now taking these truths. I've learned and helping. Share them with someone else. That's walking through an unexpected storm and it doesn't have to be divorced. I also walk through a miscarriage. It could be infertility. It could be a death of a loved one. It could be a cancer diagnosis. There's so many things that turn our world upside down right. One word like I feel like one word can change your life forever and when that happens I want to help someone walk through that in that heartbreak. That you're experiencing you can become stronger in your faith. Then you ever have before so heartbreak to strength is the name of my block. I Love I love that that you know that speaks my love language because I wrote the book the struggle is real but so is God and in a similar fashion. It was burst out of a lot of difficulty in my life and heartbreak and But God is there in the midst of the struggle and when we press into him we can do all things through Christ so even the most horrific things that we think we could never possibly go through. He gives us the strength that we need So tell me what verse did you cling to during that time? Wet Wet really gave you hope. Was there one that really stuck out to you? That really helped you well. There was a lot of versus that is linked to but I'm going to share my life first and then I'll share a second verse as well. So my life versus Second Corinthians one three through four it says pray speech of the Godfather of our Lord. Jesus Christ the father of compassion and the God of all comfort who comforts us in all our troubles so that we can comfort those in any trouble with the comfort we ourselves received from God and I feel like that has kind of birth this ministry I have because I was comforted by God in in many ways in my miscarriage and then again through divorce and then I walked through another heartbreak a couple years after I lost my good friend to cancer each time. God Comfort me and then it was interesting like a year later. Another person would walk through the exact thing that I had just walked through and then I could comfort them and I feel like that. Is this life of mine that Really has helped grow my ministry. Help Birth Ministry. I should say but the other verse set chest in the middle of the heart. Wrenching days was Psalms thirty four eighteen the Lord is close to the broken hearted and that is one of my favorite were sisters share with a when they're first in the heart rate because you you he is close in a way. I don't think we can understand till were there. You know I had a close relationship with God before everything up but it was different after. It was this depth to the intimacy of this connection. Of just he is supporting me. He's lifting me up. He's I'm depending on him to get through it and not kind of depth can really only be birth in the middle of heartbreak in my opinion because instead we just do it on our own strength so when you don't have the strength when you're falling flat on your face in your dislike how am I gonNa get through this. I feel like that's men. God lifts us up and we become stronger so absolutely you know if you were sitting across from someone right now like I just recently had a friend who passed away. I have to go to the viewing this evening. And I'm going to face to face with a family am who is heartbroken The the mother is leaving behind Little Boy's father And best friends and you know if you had the opportunity to sit across from them. What what words of comfort would you provide to them? Well first of all I tell them I'm so sorry for their loss because it is not an easy and I'm not these answers that I'm going to say next. Do not take away the pain but they give you comfort in the middle of the pain because you got to walk through the pain. You got to walk through the heartbreak you gotta let yourself feel the feelings. I Journal the lot. I went to counseling. You can't go anyway but through it but as you're walking through it there is a god that wants to walk through it with you and I would say to them he can take these broken pieces of your life. These your broken heart at. He could turn it into something beautiful when you place it back into his hands and it's not an easy thing to do but he is faithful and I fully I. It's not an easy walk by God can get you through it but it is hard and I would just give him a big hug and tell them that. I'm sorry there in the middle of the storm but God is faithful. That would be my words of encouragement. Even though it's hard he will get you through it and And then you and then I would say this to them. I'd say then some day you're going to help someone else. Walk through their store and I think that's the most beautiful part of it is when we could take our broken story and use it to help someone else. That's when it comes full circle that's Swin. There's a purpose to your pain right. You walk through it and you're like why. God why did I have to lose? This loved minor. Why did I walk through this divorce? Or why did the my lose my baby or whatever your why is but then you walk through the storm and you got helps you through it and then years later or maybe the next year you meet someone and they're walking through that same storm and you can offer encouragement hoping it doesn't take the pain away if what you walk through but it gives it purpose does not make sense. Absolutely God doesn't waste anything in our story. I cried out to him one time because like you. I've got many difficult painful things in my life and I said why God why. And he said. Because you can minister to this person and you can minister to that person and you can minister to this person and We are able to provide that comfort that we've received because God is with us in the middle of the struggle and he doesn't waste any of that pain So that is beautiful and thank you so much for sharing those comforting words. Yeah thank you for letting me share. I would say one more thing about the divorce There's a lot of shame that comes with divorce. So someone's listening right now and they're feeling that I want to say that I felt that too but God can still use it even when you're broken and you feel like you're broken disqualifies you that's very ingredient guy could use to help another hurting heart when you give it back to him and yes. It's maybe not the plan that he had but the he's GonNa take that and use it for good so I would say that to someone right now. Well and I think that we have an enemy of our soul. That would like us to think that were disqualified. He would like to. I mean he is our accuser right. Satan is He's our accuser. So he he will try to lie to. Us and tell us that we're disqualified or try to shame us but thank you so much for sharing that because that is critical we have to keep our eyes focused on Jesus and what is true. everything's are lovely whatsoever. Things are true whatsoever. Things are of good report. Think on these things. That's what Jesus wants us to think on. And you're right were all broken vessels No one was perfect except for Jesus but he's also he's our great high priest and he's our mediator so we can take it all to him he understands are suffering because God in human form came to this earth and walked this earth and knows are he knows our frailty. He took upon himself before he died upon the cross so he can understand our our our shame and our pain and he wants to take it all and he wants to make us new creations So I think that's the thing is whatever difficulty or shameful thing that we've been through do not allow the enemy to speak to you. Take it to the word of God. And let and let the word of God speak to you. Yeah such good truth and he is good. He's got tactics. He tries to get in there and make you feel like you're not used you're not able to be used by God. I really felt like that and I remember going to conference a woman of Faith Conference and Lisa Veer was speak gain and she had just written her girls with sorts so as very much about spiritual life and she said that she was One night watching a movie with her son the Terminator. And if you don't remember the story line this woman it these the people from the future coming back and trying to kill her and then there's someone from the future comes back to protect her and so the person says she says why are they trying to kill me. And she said he says. Because you're what you're GonNa do this great thing and she says what? I don't even know that in the point. Lisa said sometimes saint knows you're going to be in Christ before we do and so sometimes spiritual warfare has nothing to do with who you are right now but has everything to do with who you're GONNA be. And when she said to me I remember just having this moment like saying you almost had me. I thought I was not able to be used but even though I walk through this really hard thing in my life that I did not want and this is not what I wanted for my family but this was my reality. You are going to use it and I remember putting this up on my wall that says be the kind of woman that when your feet hit the ground each Morton Satan says. Oh crap she's up. That's so funny that you said that because I over the holidays. The terminator movie was on and I literally just watched that scene and I thought wow that is so good. And that's so true. is the phrase that I use that Take your story and give God glory and so we can take all the broken pieces and And we can give him glory through it all through the good through the bad through all of the things so Jodi thank you so much for being a guest on by His grace today. tell listeners where they can find more about you okay so my a website is jody. Rosser DOT COM and. I'm spelled J. O. D. I. R. O. S. S. E. R. DOT COM and. Actually that will link you to everything. My heart breaks strength blog as well as my podcast which is called Depth D. E. P. T. H. And my hope is that you'll grow deeper in your faith and stronger in your relationships through my podcasts and one of the things I do in my pie cast as I talk a lot about that I have read that it helped me in my healing during those hard years as well as my growing because two thousand fourteen was my hardest year my life but it was also my most growing year of my life and The truth I read in the books really sent me on this trajectory so I had a chance to interview some of the authors of those books as well as authors of new books that are coming out and even inspiring writers. And so that's what my podcast is about and Again it's to grow deeper in your faith and stronger number relationships. And that's there's a link on my website and on social media on. Instagram. I'm Jodi DOT Rosser and facebook. I'm harked strength Dash. Jody I sir awesome well so much for being a guest today on by His grace and I encourage you all to go find. Jody listen to her. Podcast check out her blog and look forward to her book in the future. Thanks so much. Jodi thanks for having me misty. Thank you for joining me today on by His grace. I hope you've enjoyed listening. And are encouraged by our guest today. I would love for you to visit my blog misty. Philip Dot Com for more encouragement. You can find me on social media as misty. Philip and I would love to connect with you there.

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The Figs Have It.  January 16, 2020, on the National Day Calendar

The National Daily

01:58 min | 10 months ago

The Figs Have It. January 16, 2020, on the National Day Calendar

"This is the national daily. Welcome to January sixteenth on the National Day calendar. Today we celebrate Life Liberty Liberty and the pursuit of the Newton. More after the break from her founder Marlow Anderson. Do you love to start the day with a smile. Join the celebration. Nation nation. By picking up your very own twenty twenty national day calendar visit our website. National Day calendar Dot Com for our full color printed guide to all the fun and unusual ways to celebrate every day on January sixteenth. Seventeen Eighty six Thomas. Jefferson's Virginia Jinyan Statute for religious. Freedom was signed an adopted into our first amendment. Since then our right to worship as we see fit has been guaranteed he'd and in one thousand nine hundred ninety. Three presidential proclamations began reminding us of this critical foundation to our nation's liberty on national religious. I just freedom day consider your own beliefs and the freedom you enjoy as part of this great country. While some folks subscribe to the notion. That a a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down. Nineteenth Century physicians believed in the intake of biscuits and fruit as a remedy for digestive suggestive problems to deliver this prescription. A clever machine made by FIG lover. Charles Rosser was patented and the first fig rolls were mass-produced rousers recipe was purchased in eighteen. Ninety one by the Kennedy Steam Bakery in Newton Massachusetts and today we celebrate National Fig Newton Day for this cookie that we enjoy as a treat in itself learn more by following us at National Day calendar Dot Com or on facebook facebook instagram and twitter. And thanks for joining us on our journey as we celebrate every day.

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Spatial Conversations 25 - MakePath

A VerySpatial Podcast

40:04 min | 4 months ago

Spatial Conversations 25 - MakePath

"So we're happy to be joined today by Brendan Collins and Pablo Puentes of make path. Thanks for joining us today is. Yeah thanks. And you. So, let's start off with the the really broad question of what is make path. Path is a spatial data science. Shop we focus a lot on open source tools, and we bring our passion from various domains. To gs and we aim to build. Inclusive communities around you as tools, and specifically we have a project X. Ray spatial, which focused on roster based spatial analysis, we combine a rationalization pipeline with a set of universal functions which apply an. To Rosser data and also are named in ways that Gif professionals recognize things like surface analysis tools slow hill shade, aspect on these are the names of these tools in the s domain that people recognize. And we offer those tools As a python based library that anybody can access read the source code to and contribute to. We we take open source tools, and we help solve our clients problems by applying open source to their their specific domains. These these domains are very diverse working in areas from healthcare to environmental conservation. Finance Natural Resource Management. We know that geography and the science of of place is very important, too. Many domains and we find ourselves learning about these different domains as we apply open source geospatial tools to their challenges. We we basically bill. We love building open source, really powerful tools, and then if we have clients are like. Hey, what else can we do with these tools? Can you help us apply these really complex problems and what he help? So, how'd you guys come together as? Building this new path path. That was that was bad, wasn't it? Sorry. That's okay well. It's all good. We'll take it. So I WanNa talk about what you've been doing before and how we can. Yeah so I got involved in GSA in the mid to thousands being the S. lab manager for the Center for Sustainable, development, which is a kind of environmental science group in Central America. Working a lot with agriculture. And then moved on to work. As part of the team at the Nature Conservancy looking at site selection for projects in the red area red in this context is reduction in emissions from deforestation and I. Ever Dacian where Zeh countries that have high carbon output can find carbon credits in developing nations to incentivize them to protect vertically sensitive ecosystems, tropical forest is a great example of that, so a lot of these projects occur in in the main tropical forest areas of Brazil Democratic Republic of Congo Indonesia the top three countries for tropical forest. So using I was using DIS to help. Do Site selection to maximize dollars spent? Two or environmental protection through the conservancy We Pablo night. Live in Austin We started to connect in the music scene. Both of us are musicians songwriters. We go out and play open open mics and so that's how can Pablo and I met, but then we quickly realized that we had a lot in common apart from our music background, and over the years as we would spend time together and hard about things it just made sense to get together in work together as a 'cause. We were hitting the same problems, but Pablo represented us. More! Experience on what it is to create a company and create a culture and I represented a bit more of the technical side, and so we were good partners in kind of coming together, 'cause we represent those different areas. in filming kind of some of some of the. The rounding out the breath of our skills, really we we both. We both think we are easy to find and the other one is a really great fun. So I came out about I came out of Stanford about ten years ago, started a company So I had a lot of experience. Products Scaling a company and I. Really liked. What Brennan was doing and we teamed up and I bring a lot of experience again with the company building with a product design had to think about about by these projects and I've always had an interest I don't have a detectable background in jazz. She fired his. I've always had an interest in it. My Dad was a biologist and we would always go on these. I've been looking at maps since I was five, and and we'd go on walks in the new-look onto poverty maps and understanding vegetation maps so I guess I've been training for this for a long time without even knowing but done now. It's a little bit of my. Time and I love it the physical world and data to to solve problems in the s really exciting to work together and. We've been applying for some of these tools and really really interesting ways, and I'd love for brethren. Talk with it. This is a blog. A very big piece we're working on. That's coming out on the next, Tuesday! And it's A. It's a real world application vary timely of these told rags, these tools, a really cool powerful but the story of Man on the Moon is man on the moon, not N-, not necessarily rocket as cool as. Cool as Mathis, the the real story. Is that the the the the impact that has the? and Ny Brandon. If you WANNA, talk a little bit about the story that were published using the x Ray, spatial tools and data Cheddar I think that's That's a great example of some of the things that we do. Yeah. It's the in the context of the COVID nineteen pandemic right we've we've all been reminded of the vulnerability of certain groups within society, and as we first discussed trying to apply open source tools to explore this problem. Our initial idea was to look at county is an incidence of respiratory illness and try to look at places with high illness and high distanced from nearby pharmacies, and this is getting to the concept of the pharmacy desert, and this is something that the pharmacy desert is a concept that came from the food. Desert is analogy to a food desert, but it their areas of reduced access to services and. Supplies like a over the counter and prescription medications. In a looking at respiratory illness and illness in general, we decided instead to to use age as a better indicator for. Looking at at risk, populations as related to pharmacy. This is. Lot because the the rate of of illness and actually the rate of. The percentage of people with prescription medications, and how many prescriptions they fill on a monthly basis, but both correlate with age as as the population gets older people have a higher percentage of people are using prescription medications and more of them. At above the age of eighty ninety one percent of people are on prescription medication. And so those folks. Have particular mobility issues and have our goal to disruption in supply. The. In doing this analysis, we started by looking for publicly. Available data sets. pharmacies would be obviously a good first place. Start a pharmacy point set, which we got from the Department of Homeland Security they have a regularly updated pharmacy layer in Artigas Online, and that includes lat long locations for all the pharmacies, also whether a pharmacy is open or closed. I think that they probably a that monthly so it's not. It's not real time, but it's. It's good enough for our analysis, we then a took these point locations and generated distance grids off of the pharmacy locations, using x Ray. Spatial ages are open source rationales library, so a lot of the tools inside a x ray spatial are GONNA be. You're GONNA find similar similar names and signatures to the functions that you would find in as spatial analyst or the Tools inside a huge is. What of the main differences, though is that? We are libraries very light, so we don't have a doll dependency which we love at Macbeth. We Love Doll and she'd off. Three is great, but sometimes we don't necessarily want such a heavy dependency or analysis, which is why we implemented a respiration pipeline, and then universal functions on top of that pipeline. To be able to do things like proximity analysis. The you shed zone statistics vocal statistics Hotspot analysis terrain generation all without a major geology does dependency. And I I. I. Mentioned I love those products I. Love doodle! I loved you. But, but sometimes I don't want to install such a large quantity. data shooter is the Companion Library that goes hand in hand with X ray spatial. Data shooter is is a general purpose respiration pipeline. Is It'd? As a core developer when data started, it was started by Peter Wang of Anaconda, and but was really brought to life by Jim Bednarz, Nar, who's at Anaconda also on the former, Anaconda continuum analytics simply so we were working in a lot on the python distribution. I'm working on Bouquet, which is a visualization library for Python and trying to make the tools scientific python stack more robust. So data shelter. Started being the personal within data hitter, I kept wanting to add gio tools. Like, it's great to do time series houses, but we can do a what you have here. We could do all these great spatial analysis operations if we would include them I start making requests all these tools sending it tools tools at some point, we say let's split off into a different library. Let's keep data share as just a general rationalization pipeline. And then let's create a separate library. That's specific for G. S professionals with names that they would recognize so what you're GonNa do when you use X ray spatial is you're gonNA start with four messenger familiar with Jay Vile and you're going to rationalize them into a common grid, so we define a resolution, which is a relationship between the the height of your pixels, and the with an height of your data space, and then we aggregate data into that into that What we call a canvas. To be able to align all of our data and then look down our layers and start doing analysis between our layers, so if you're familiar with. Spatial analysts there's a tool called snap roster. snapper aster will take two data sets. That are maybe at different resolutions and re sample them to be in the same resolution. We accomplish that by explicitly defining near Campus Upfront. So what you do is define study area front, and then you aggregate all of your data into it. And that data may be could be a vector data set point point point signs in polygons is a sheet file or it. It could be another roster that you want to re sample into the common grit. So What's Nice about the as you're very explicit about your assumptions you're. You're stating the precision of your analysis step one. And as you decided hey, I want to make this analysis more precisely media, I wanna make it more course you can just change the resolution of that grid, but keep a whole the other logic the same. And that's what did with pharmacy desert's and so in the context of Pharmacy Deserts, I defined our study area as a lower forty eight contiguous United States. We then aggregate in. Pharmacy location distances, using our, proximity tool. We have a couple of different This distance metrics that are available, and you can also write your own distance metrics, but for this analysis of the appropriate distance metric would be great circle distance because we're dealing with lots and lungs decided to not go into a projected coordinates face. With with the distance grid, we then simply classified that grid into five different categories, so we could start to explore people that earned the are in the category. That's farthest away. We have raptor classification tools with an x ray spatial that cover the the three one. The clustering algorithms that we all know the side which are equal interval, quantifiable natural breaks jank's, so we implement those three on top of rosters, though instead of You know finding your brace using a the job field of his sheet file. We do that using the pixel values of the roster. We in this case used natural breaks. With Ver- you know for folks at home is going to minimize the standard deviation in any one been. An iterative process and what we're able to do, there is then draw all of the pixels that are in our farthest away group, so we targeted to define our pharmacy deserts. We said that a pharmacy desert is a location that's in category five of the natural breaks district. That's arbitrary but but for us. It was a starting place where we could. We could do some exploratory Nelson and go for. We then. INTO DOVER GET. Really interesting. Once, we found these places. We actually apply that analysis to the real world, right? We got on the phone when we found these these these counties that. People are really far away from pharmacies and the population's very old on average coverage on top of. That that's. Fascinating, I. Let, let's let's make sure we get to. That part. Yes, so when we identified these these counties we aggregated an age based on block block group, so we agreed in block. Re polygons into our arrester. We'd similar natural breaks. Classification pull-out the had a gory five locations with the highest percentage of people over the age of sixty five. Simple simple binary mask of two layers I'm classic suitability analysis of multiplying the two. Binary layers to get together to get our our output areas of interest, and then in using zone statistics to actually summarize the. Desert for the Pharmacy Desert's by county. We then called up the top three counties that we found just a tip. If you want to call random people in the country for a county that you don't want about. The public offices are a great place to call, so we were calling tax success. assessors the DMV's just trying to talk to normal people and find out a little bit about the situation with going to pharmacies in their area. We spoke with. Virginia Smith from Harding County New Mexico. Who is the director for senior citizens for the county to give us kind of more coloring situation so I? Say Hey on my analysis. Yielded your county as a as an area with a large number of a large percentage of people over sixty five and a pharmacy desert, and she said Yeah. We got to drive three hours to fill prescriptions. And It's a major problem that is stressing. The older resins of our community out. And some of the solutions that I found in other counties in interviewing people didn't apply to harding county so harding county new, Mexico. Is less than a thousand inhabitants. It's very a lot of ranching and agriculture going on in that area. there's a Lo- covered in that area there is. We live in a world now where you can get a lot of stuff delivered so asking the questions what are your? What are your strategies to fill prescriptions? If you're not gonNA drive three hours, will a lot of folks will get their prescriptions mail. In harding, county Virginia mentioned that a lot of folks don't have credit cards, and that is a prerequisite for a lot of the mail services actually get prescriptions There's a in talking to number one county. That? We found in our analysis. Was Hooker County? Nebraska, so in Hooker County is a very another very small rural county less than thousand habitants. They're driving. Seventy two miles fill prescriptions in in Hooker, county and bear. Jennifer Peters who spoke to Hooker County mentioned that people are doing a lot of shipping prescriptions there in Hooker County, but they're also using social media to share prescriptions, so people go on social media and they will paying other folks to find out if. Has some extra meds. Along these places do have quit small clinics that ride some prescriptions, and there are some places where you can get over the counter medications, but. All folks that we talked about is all about this more specialty prescriptions. That's where it gets harder. and folks end up traveling. A Lot. A lot farther Attend other issue that came up with that was interesting in speaking with harding county was I, said well. Maybe maybe through this analysis, we could get cvs pharmacy in your area. And she said well then. I would need a pharmacist. And and it was interesting. Point because there is a capacity issue here in pharmacists aren't equal equally equally distributed across the country. So thought that that was that was kind of some interesting feedback there, but a these calls reaching out to me is like where we really we put the computer aside once we've gotten analysis and we kind of the real world and see nick sense and. In this case, it really did. in the in the blog post we're going to talk a little bit about how we identified. These ten counties were using a very. Very few variables to find these areas, and so this is a somewhat descriptive analysis right, but the. But, it also shows the power of just with. Limited data sets on a consumer grade computer. You can find these. And you can learn more about these topics Using open source tools that are are free, and you can read all the source code to in you can modify, and so that's really kind of the story around the Pharmacy Deserts. Really fascinating talking to these talking to folks and. I, mean Virginia in Harding County made a great point about wanting a supermarket before pharmacy. Go hand you know. A lot of a lot of pharmacies are in supermarkets, so it's not one or the other, but that shows kind of A. Triage Services in that area and that that might be one of the things that we say well. Yeah, be great to have a pharmacy, but maybe there's another. Service that these folks need more than the pharmacy in, and that's where we can you know. Tease out what that might be by by doing these interviews, but What we try to do is really applied is tools to. and. We want to contribute to these tools right, so we're. We Have A. Send you? The link of that Michaud Node said that also we have these also ask stickers for library. Little will send you. Guys saw, and if anybody wants any you can reach out at. Contact mccollum Ellison. You saw but Yeah, we're. We're really excited about this. Because it's it's very. It's very usable and very powerful in and we think there's a lot of applications. For forty libraries, Again that's bend into subscribed Perry very real world problems. Yeah I think that that was a great example, guys, and and it kind of. Reminded me of many things over the years, in a s and working with rosters right the great potential of somebody roster data sets, but all the challenges in working with them and Brennan as you were going through the story, too. I was thinking about right. All of those things rashes with different resolutions different time series, so they didn't always match up and then of course visualization question and the big one of the one I kinda. WanNa ask about x ray spatial a little bit. And he talked about the canvas so I'm curious. for two of those great challenges roster's one just the vast size often of Rasa. So that you find that a challenge in developing and the second one is What kind of are the options falling analysis for visualization, so as we know, one of the great challenges of Rastas are the just ridiculous number formats that were come up they that we had over the years. Try to deal with some issues so he took a little bit about what x Ray spatial allows for at that end of it so when you've done these these analysis with these tools What do you get out out as an output that could be used kind of in multiple visualizations. Yeah so I guess. With. Looking at x Ray spatial is. Very Flat Library of utility functions, and we love the flatness about it, because it's very approachable to new contributors where they see the tools one by one by name they can go through in. There isn't a large class hierarchy of inheritance or anything that they have to get the speed with just the functional library the The output that you get. Is depends on really what you want. You can either output roster itself, and you could use a tool like unrest stereo to dump that research say cloud optimize geodetic, so that would be kind of our one of the reservoir we love is the cog or that cloud up and is yoga. But then you can also render images right out of the canvas, so the canvas has a like a dot to I which is like the Python Imaging Library and it will give you the bites of a PNG that then save to diss. The, Visualization is really important and Datasheet, or as a generalized rationalization pipeline, because we're talking about to hear one x ray spatial the flat functions, and then the other the rationalization pipeline. Data Shakers mission is to be able to reveal structure in large data sets where he potentially have. Saturation problems where we're plotting a billion points with a two pixel radius on each point, right? We're going to fill up that image really quickly and is going to be muddy. We're not gonNA. Be Able to actually reveal structure in the data. What data sheet does is it gives you hooks into different steps where you can deal with this oversaturation problem, or and under saturation problem when we when when our data's too sparse that some resolution where we can expand out certain pixels and how we think about that. Is We consider a billion points? We're going to aggregate them. Into eight hundred four hundred roster of the unites we start by finding projecting each point into the roster, and figuring out which Pixel that point falls into, we then get an array of points for a single Ixil and we can decide on a reduction functions of change those points into a single value. Then we can move onto a shading stage where we apply a color math with some stretch function from the men value to the Max Value Those pixels once they've been reduced. This is A. Process that you can use on many different data sets and reveals structure with a brutal here sticks like sampling, the first ten thousand points or using transparency on your points to see the relative density of different locations, those those techniques are good, but riddle, because as your data changes the exact transparency that you tweak to really see that structure needs to change your sample of the number of points to look at has to change depending on different data sets. which layer you render first-serve points get restaurants. I his last. Is another problem that this addresses but data gives you those defined steps in a pipeline to inject your own logic to say this is my reduction function. This is my schader function. And a lot of the data share analyses can bail out of the pipeline early to. to do things like additional analysis on the intermediate aggregates so I can aggregate all the points to a grid, and then say hey undone with the data seder. Pipeline I now want to take that grid and use X ray spatial to do further analysis, say a slob analysis, and I can go back into the data center pipeline and render out the image. X Ray special also supports. A Web mercator tile sets so we can take these rousers, and then we can define tiling pipeline, which is very similar to a data center pipeline, and that includes functions to address loading data aggregating data, shading data, and then we also on each one of the titles have a host process function that you could do something like of watermark. Right to the Tyler something like that You can render these files directly to cloud like S. three or to your local file system. And then they're in a consumable structure by most of the quote, unquote like slippy maps or Weber Cater tile layers things you know like the as a Java scrip- API the leaflet Map Fox, all these folks play in these and you can finished urinalysis with the tile set to Estry and then and then you just is all static, and that's. That's nice and we do that for clients where we don't want to run a GI server. we don't need a that level of power. We just need one tile set that we can create put somewhere and maybe update monthly, and then there's no spinning server, and we're paying you know Ascena GIG per month on on S. three to site. The, US another part of the question, though is dealing with big rosters. So, what do you do when you're? Roster does not fit in memory. Doesn't fit in memory doesn't fit on one machine. There's a there's a different set of tools that you need to use, and that gets into the area of distributed computing, and is an area that we thought about at the beginning of x Ray spatial so x Ray spatial integrates with D- Ask. bask is analogous to spar for Python. I'm spark is project that. Will help you do analysis on top of clusters where you can write in analysis in a way that it looks like it's raining one machine, though really it's being farmed out to a bunch of machines, and then all the results are collated together for your output. that's what sparked. Does that's desk says these tools fall into the category of Cobra zongol scaling, so we're not making the algorithms faster. We're making them operate on more data, and as we scale up whereas Ali, DASS gives us the ability to I scale to multiple threads, the bubble course, and then to multiple machines and That's really nice that you can write your desk analysis without a question. You don't need a cluster to get involved desk and that's one of the powerful parts of Desk. When you do, scale up right you. You're going to need to set up a desk cluster and there's there's a lot of good folks on so the folks at quilt computing are doing a lot with with desk. Fussers, also Saturn file. You can get hosted DASS clusters from Saturn clouds. There's a bunch of folks that are providing tools around this. But DASS is representing are horizontal scaling to be able to rest analysis on multiple machines on data says don't fit into memory. The brutal component of scaling. We use a library called. Number Takes Python Code, and just in time compiled it to lvn bike, or basically of the same the same representation that. is going to output, and we can get sea level performance from Python by taking chunks of our analysis that are tight loops. Those spots were were doing multiple loops over pixels Ryan, and we can just in time compiled just that Chung. That's performance. And that's how these tools have the same or magnitude performance as tools like g doll that are written CRC plus Bluster Jesus is because the spots that we're operating on? We just in time. Compile to lvn by code. And, if anything accessories spatial serves as good examples on how to do that on your own projects if you have. Any interest in in x ray spatial you can at least go into the source code and see. How can I optimize an algorithm? Maybe a combination filter right? Maybe you're working with collusion filters, but not specifically geospatial will you could go in. You could look at x Ray spatial and see how we are conflusion filters and use that as an example to implement your out. So. It's a good. It's a good example of using number for vertical scaling. That's GonNa make our algorithms faster and then are horizontal. Scaling is going to allow lower algorithms to run on multiple machines or mobile of course. On? Those those kind of two components both number and Dass were started at Continuum Analytics Anaconda and are still sponsored by this groups in huge thanks to both Anaconda in site for supporting those projects in also helping us with x Ray We going? They do things like make examples of x Ray spatial for data her and they contribute. We have a lot of good synergy with both antioxidant Kwan site in Intact that. There was a more general topic that I. I'm really passionate about that. I think is really interesting, which is the the reconciling developer productivity with performance of Code and over the last? I think that this has been a major theme of the maybe twenty five years kind of njs in data science. Of How can we take high level languages like Python, which are traditionally considered slow languages when compared to see and make them fast so? PYTHON PERL HE HP Ruby. All of these high level dynamic languages have much better developer productivity than all of you know buffer overflows and all type errors and the things that happen at the sea level. It's hard to reconcile those two things really performance, code and code faster right. that's the era that number for us is represents a new way to solve that problem. traditionally NBC this in Judo. We see this Geos is that the solution is that you write the code that needs to execute fast in seat? Then you provide python bindings out of it, so gene provides python bindings spark, which another product right provides python bindings to that I. Don. Folks can interact with it. The pipe can be much slower than the actual code that executes see because you're spending all of your time converting objects from Python. From the over Python and you spend all your time on this barrier between the two languages don't Inter operate. Inter operate on the same bites, so they define their INS-, a little, differently defined their floats a little different. Instead of making developers contact switch between these two areas of python and C. be able to read it for room. Number gives us the ability to reconcile those two things so instead of moving oversee C., plus plus we simply take out the spots that are particularly heavy compute wise, and just in time compiled just that chunk. And that gives us the ability to stay on the be productive and also be performance to have a code run fast. Let's. That's something that we continually reconcile but I liked the approach of using Numb Pie and number as our interface to see instead of the see extension, which is a traditional way in python. That folk student on is the rapid. Those checkout number, if are not familiar with number it's a tool that comes out of were not the Geo community bit more scientific python community, but there's so many radio applications for. Also just as a as a note, number number is great for making math fast. It is not good for making strings fast. As we approach kind of a x Ray spatial in getting things going. Is there anything else you guys Kinda WanNa add. Head of your blog post That's going to really describe a lot of what's going on anything else. You want our listeners to know. Yes, we have. We have list A. we have an active blow. We have list published of open source spatial analysis tools, so if you. Make path dot com size blog. You'll see we have there. We compiled a list of tools that we like to use that. People that collaborate have helped helped. Write a if your listeners have any input in addition comments. We can comment on posts or again retired us on twitter at bath GPS, or you can Reach contact. Make Pat Dot com, so we really WANNA, pay patriots, community, and work with a we care about about this open open-source ecosystem and. Constantly looking for ways to collaborate with people, so if anybody has. Has Things in tie-ins twenty. Twenty of these tools think I think. That we're. We're always open to to collaborate of. Great and I think I want to say is I'd love to to do a follow up some time down the road to to chat with some of the things, so for those those of you out there a pre podcasts kind of getting everything set up. We have some great a short discussions about some shared interests and It'd be great talk in the future about maybe some procedural terrain integration where we see things going to stuff like that, so I'd like to Just put it out there if you guys are interested down the line to to do another. Discussion on some of the stuff that's happening in this world so. That'd be. That'd be great. I'm I'm I was really excited about by I. WanNa take that unity class. That's GONNA. Take your unique lasts. That sounds really. One thing that I wanted to mention just about data Taylor was that a about geometry hypes that data centre accepts as input so we're Rask. It's a wrestler. Respiration pipeline and we accept points, lines, polygons rosters, try mashes in Quad Meshes and so that covers allow the core data types that people are coming to the table with, and then he can rationalize all of those types of the same scene in the line everything. That's awesome, so so yes, we were talking. I was remembering my my old days of GPS and so, what were some of the the phrases Rosters Vasser? Vasser faster depending on which order the people like say and so. Those were the days one hundred fifty different formats trying to solve the the various problems so well Well I think that's all time. We have for for this time. Brendan Hobble, but definitely we'd like to. Touch base with you again in the short term and Chalamet more about what's going on, but thank you very much for joining us today. Absolutely. Thank you so much for having. We'll be sending you that that. is coming out next week and I would really take you. Guys have been a member of this community for for a long long time and had been really helping people. Spread their message and and. Helping the community. Come together, so we're. We're very thankful that thank you very much. Yeah, and in fact, our fifteenth anniversary is July. How yeah, so yeah the story? We actually did our first episode. I think the week. That apple started offering podcasts on itunes. So yeah, all the way back to I think that same month was the debut Google maps. so June, two thousand five Eta June our actual episode kind of came out at the beginning of July so yeah. it's been great though to see the the kind of waves of newer ones coming through as we've had to cut a transition to not every week, because of our finally day, jobs It's been great to see a lot of other other stuff going on, so so yes, we're also thankful to that. There's there's so many other choices out there now. But, but we do feel it along to sometimes. But. It's great to look back I mean we're episode six hundred so? You guys might be six hundred forty something. That's incredible. Have I had. Guess for three years in the weekly episode, so had about one hundred fifty episodes and I didn't in person traveling around the country I'd covered by fifteen thousand miles so. Yes I very much. Very. Deep deep respect for what you do, and and that's congratulations well. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, and it's a good time so I can still remember. The first time we got recognized was it where two point Oh the second year, so we're two point was a Riley Riley. Press event that went on for our what five or six years and we were in the Fairmont San Francisco in the elevator. And two guys from the ordnance survey in the UK were in the elevator with us, and we were kind of facing the doorway. We heard a whispering. That's very spatial. That was the wildest thing ever. So yes!

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"I'm not that type of doing score hundred percent I need to face the call this one dangerous welcome everybody to another episode of lighthearted podcast heart ask another you're gonNA have gamers athletes going to have businessmen moments I would say that probably the Young Team Zion getting his first minutes. NBA Minutes Mikhael getting his first minutes Jackson getting his first minutes you know the only five guys from the Rosser last year that are on the team this year so I know we've got some chemistry the work on and obviously winner at the Andrews intro and everyone friend us on Venom Oh that's all you have to do to enter the thousand dollar welcome everyone to a nother episode of the light-hearted podcast presented by Van Mo your gracious host Josh Heart and unfortunately for this intro I will be your only host as everyone knows my co host my brother season game a couple nights ago against the Atlanta Hawks which we one of preseason game both always good to get their first game under our belt haven't download the APP and do that so I guess I'll have to ask me how I'm doing today so I guess I'll just often this long fifty minute intro rant by myself but I think I'm doing pretty well Agassi Lodhi guy saw the game that we had a I has no that didn't play the end of last season just because I had a small term patella tendon so had a kind of shut it down and get a procedure done kind of over eleven or twelve more of US give way so there's more money to be given away more money to be made so don't be discouraged by this one makes you guys furnace are last week's winner Jordan dern Nell Congress my man one don't be discouraged I'm going to pick another one company so he would not be joining us for this intro so you guy I got you guys all to myself so first off I want to congratulate her consulting marketing firm cutting so which is based out of La and he is right now on a plane back to La he was in San Francisco for the Dan your new best friend Matt Helm is obviously my co host but he is the CO founder and Co owner of a giveaway presented by van Mo is friends that lighthearted podcast and that automatically enters you guys for a chance to win so we're going to do I think twice and even better to get a win in their first game and it was fun I think definitely for me I had to kind of get back into the swing of things obviously whole day have several meetings met with our gracious and presenting sponsor van Mo and Co two brands for his we're going to get a little a little more grittier and you know we're definitely going to prove that but it was good for first game to kind of get out there you know the blessed and us tomorrow with when it comes out today so now we're looking forward to that one I was in another good opponent nother road games it's their problem going on in that pain I had my knee so I I was I never really played an NBA game NBA action and little oversee that's always good to get a taste of playing on the road obviously when you're home you got your home crowd there you familiar with the rims from you with the enough to give me a Jersey so hopefully that will change but besides that going pretty well for me the house is finally coming together I gotta give a big shout out to my girlfriend Shannon she is ordering up a storm on view so it was good. We're excited about that I get to see my Guy Ryan tomorrow who I played with at Villanova so or you know everything is just familiar so it's always good to kind of get out there impre- definitely in preseason and kind of get gained under your boat and give reps on your boat of six months kind of get back getting back out there you know full speed and doing those kind of things it was good for me and you know it was good for the team got a young all the furniture sites and etc trying to make my home so gotta give a shoutout because even though she's that's why the president here but all in all I think it was a good first game think by a little bit better on defense of worry we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA fix it up and being onto other teams court and having the crowd against you and having really everyone into Rena against you except for two guys in the locker room with big shout out about that excited this Thursday I guess so tomorrow I guess when his heirs always good to see him hopefully I can get a Jersey this year I've been asking Ryan for the last several years to get a Jersey but I guess it doesn't getting a good shipment of very nice wine from wine access on very happy about that and I'm very excited I wanna knows me and we love to indulge in all kinds of wine so they're cindy nice generous shipment of wine so I'm very excited about on doing his intro Solo I would greatly appreciate it because I feel like I'm doing a solid job doing this but I guess with that being my new home feel Homey I'll see at the end of the day that's all you really want you know for your home you want to be there and be comfortable and everything so I gotta give her ascended dollar ten dollars one hundred dollars thousand dollars just under a penny and at the end of this year autos procedure go donate to excited for the NBC's and kind of get underway Tuesday night at I'm recording this intro in my hotel room Chicago we played maybe Philly but ozzy la now is an away game so I'll say between Philly family anymore in in Maryland my parents moved to Saint Louis and Matt's parents other parents moved to Philly so one of covered all my basis about me it's kind of weird thing I'm doing pretty good with this you guys give me some feedback to definitely gotta be my favorite cities to visit so Thomas Cass as is role you played ordering everything in Iraq and a bill getting boxes and packages every day from God knows who and excetera but it's is making charity so these friends them Oh you know send us a penny you put your question in description and you know we'll make sure we answer it so we have and for you guys to ask US questions just go front is on Vim oh Send us a penny I thought you guys got to do to send a penny said I guess we're GonNa get into some some hard to heart and answer some of you guys questions for you guys I don't know what hard too hard for me that'll be tough for me because obviously I grew up in Maryland it's more ball dominant and he likes to facilitate likes to kind of direct everything so obviously now this year WanNa news new team at that and I guess that's it I can't say Matt what's going on with you because I was not here so and his corps get the ball out the net and push it so it'd be it'd be different this because I'll be able to play make a little bit more so I'm aw I love Marilyn went to Philly for college so I love going to Philly have family in Philly I don't really have to excited about that thing I'll have a bigger role offense of the defensively you know for this team so I'm very excited about that and I'm I'm very excited no what the system goes gentry wants to run up and down one wants us to get the ball hoping that out the get stops and getting and get the ball in transition but if not friends of the light-hearted podcast no we love wine MIA loves to indulge in a more of a red wine table just that toughness intangibles shooting stuff like that so I'm very excited about my role and what I get to do this very excited it's going to be an amazing season so definitely looking forward to this is I don't know why are we pick within you new to the light-hearted podcast heart-to-heart is a way for us to be a little more interactive with our fans and answer some questions get the first question is dominique saint or Dominic S. 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I don't know I'm GonNa go with saint favorite city to visit while you're on the road earnest's colors Braun who's one of the best ever put on an Mba Jersey wanted the best ever played a game but with that obviously you know Braun Eh in La so that sounds so weird la saying that that's a road game but a home are probably one of those I I it's okay by this year beheld the com- being back to the player I was at the beginning of last season team and very excited for this team and how we're going to grow and how we're going to continue to compete every game and is going to be a very good season I'll go with the last question before we kind of get into this week's winner of our Benmaller giveaway and you know our it's not fully accurate ended depiction of us as players but at the end of the day is a video game so picture of players I don't think so because obviously no there's so much stuff that we do to doesn't show up on a box score for example uh with the Lakers different from the row you're going to play with the Pelicans as a good question I think it's going to be obviously last year we had so many different ballgame come guests or last question by Benjamin Wold who's your favorite Nam Pelicans sports team right now so for me that would definitely be the Redskins I wanNA know me I'm a diehard fan and I know Magus it doesn't get depicted in a video game but that could be a huge momentum swing and it could change the outcome of a game so tocchet rating and is an accurate depiction of the players in the league. I'm okay with my reading I think my rain crack the eighties by this time next year so I got some work to do I think is definitely doable and the second part of that question is an accurate eight in the morning to watch them play so not many teams I'll do that for whatever the skins and Chelsea so redskins my favorite non-public and sports played arrested a game had to sit out the second half because I I could barely walk could my knee was so sore and swallowed up so China added realistic as possible and they do a great job with I'm not knocking them at all but you know I don't know no it's not ven Mo- giveaway winner this week it is Glenda Carmona so congrats glenda for everyone don't be discouraged seventy five I think it is I will say I'm okay would it is because last year played half the year at the end of December when I got Kinda got hurt wind where we're hard names for me so this is Coy Trung I think good job with one question is are you happy some shit for this one because we're all at five we suck we fired our coach we have interim coach drafted a quarterback in the first round we barely play 'em I know I'm GonNa get so much kind of please from December to end of when I when I was out playing shut it down you know I'll play her so wasn't the kind of player no oh kind of answered of course I think yeah my my role is going to be a little bit different this year where with the pels was with the Lakers last year but a thing skins probably my favorite Chelsea's a close second not many teams nominee games while awake up would before it couldn't get any lift on my jump shot and you know if I don't like there was a game against Phoenix dunked in the first half and I couldn't early for like I I love my sleep but when Chelsea plays oxidant in London so that's a six hour difference or several different from where I am so Carmona I I'm doing good job of names I'm getting better so congrats Glenda and this week's guest and phase clan for you don't know is the best no east sports organization there is obviously like I say we got eleven more I want to say giveaways to do so it makes you guys furnace at the light hearted podcasts on in the game and into space and everything that they do for their clients for their talent the collaborations that owners and Co founders of it and obviously our one of our passions both Matt and myself is e gaming and sports. No I wake up at Seven Fifty Watson eight o'clock game you play Southampton and that was on eight o'clock so out get up it's I think I'll be able to kind of get that up so I'm okay with it but I think we'll go up and I'm to make sure that goes up and we're GONNA have to hopefully Mohan Dow automatically entered for a chance to win a thousand dollars and we're giving a thousand dollars away every episode for the rest of the year eighteen and then Chelsea is the close second so with that being said I think we're going to move onto our hey don they they do stuff with Man City it just released with them unfortunately obviously I'm a Chelsea fan so got a little bit of jealousy there in touch with the culture right now and it's like a family once you join phase clan everyone shows you IMPAC Chelsea but Manson he's a great team so can't be too mad no do collaboration with Man City they do collaborate with champion Shit for skins but at the end of the day I'm very loyal diehard skin fan does not going to change so i WanNa say love you know something that I haven't seen before you guys offset just got into interface clan and love the so definitely don't be discouraged definitely friend us on how to podcast all you have to do and listen to podcasts to see if you want so congrats Glenda welcome everybody to another episode of the light-hearted pockets I'm your host Josh Heart Mike Coho salmon a short joy to light hearted podcast with apex moved this week's guest a phase apex and I hope you guys enjoy this and always remember that Apex Watch me play they know now I do a lot of intangibles I you know hustle loose balls I tumble over scores may save and stuff like this obviously I'm excited for because this is a company that Matt and myself both invested in and we have one of the cold from and how they got to be know who they are now from you know a bunch of kids creating content videos doing trick shots in the call of duty he showed in love that was given to him was amazing kind of why Ma- myself chose to invest in them was because it authenticity but also because of the fans ah some collaborations in the back pocket that will be released soon that I can't get into but they're a great organization in terms of their so atmosphere that they give and apex game on today in this kind of talk about that and just talk about the beginning and we're phase client kings eight nine years ago so it's so cool to hear him talk about how this brand has evolved organization there is right now they want to continue to grow and continue to get better and as the beauty of them so we're very excited to interest ah how far they've come and how how much further they wanna go and they want to take over the world and s the amazing part about phase clan and then Bishen and you know the hunger that they have as a brand even though they're already the top east boards different oversee it wasn't a yeah I felt a little bit better I don't know why I had like out on the go and I was just like you know what let me just grab this to kind of talk about your story and got the don't know this is face apex skid and Josh if not this wear and then they started doing guys and it's like really comfortable your pants are your Pants Lulu my whole outfit has little Lulu the shirt unders Lulu brother Matt Helmet is with me and this is actually I got to find a new way for special because I always say hey I just wanted to see slowly getting into the gaming world and it was like when I wore those that was like my like hey gaming world yeah like like you I didn't know I haven't really ate fast food like that Bro Yeah I did have Burger King when I was overseas that is you can do that like right here if you can do a phase Lulu club that would be amazing 'cause Lulu is the most comfortable you I've never had I've never were only a great weekend in New York we had the four nine World Cup you know for Nigeria here he's year for sure like the first person I saw on the way we played a while ago I remember played a minute ago we probably GonNa have season three or something and go by Disneyland I was deciding between this Hatami impossible opera hat that was a good day that was a fun fun I don't know if it was like I 'cause I'm young or whatever but obviously I want to your vacation so I wanna go see Chelsea play so I was talking to Kristen my boxers are Lulu listen from youtube world no free Randall's come on a little bit I know you gotTa pay if you want to Lou vessel one I mean everyone's special but this is gonna be interested because this is the first time we had we've had delayed pardon no no I was in the game it is the best kind of fast so I mean that's what it wasn't me like it what else what's been going on in the in the phase apex world awesome but a- Gamer or something within the game industry in Utah Youtuber contemplated this is the first time so I'm I'm very excited well I was height because that's the first guy on the week I noticed at least for real for real for me I was like I was at wanted I was like call me after that Ninja followed me of that a couple of days I saw me so I was just like okay like we in it now I'm here he's not going to laker games and stuff like that got their own Day Job I was like dying say no me for four hundred dollars like maybe I was actually at the game where you wore the shoes to when you had the shoes he was the first guy in the way we use those shoes to launch his switch channel Yeah he was the first Nova Right John but not thank you for being on the Parker thank you for having me we're we're live from the phase offices as you guys can tell yeah we've got a couple of the trophies back place mind I've got the hat on as members of the pedicabs like dude we had like you get a chance I don't know if you saw the video of the recap that week you should watch it was just like Chelsea players from her PA talking to him out and talk about the game or whatever but it was like let's get some foreign I didn't like at some point which are known for something like that I remember I remember the shoe that game and I was like Damn and that was unfortunate didn't pop pop there was two days duos and solar and the kid that wants Solos walked with three million which is crazy so we had a pretty big presence there we had like seven people competing in the the last time to balance both no you didn't you didn't know you know a lot of people do they do it or nine to five they go home and they can and you know it was it didn't feel Greasy or that South Carolina that's all I hear to a little bit better when my son was like hot is fast food yeah that's how I was like Holy Shit. NBA players like actually started talking now like everybody fucking plays it but that's a coming from from from phase that's a great compliment you did the Rep of like gaming an NBA for sure that a great compliment because that's been the goal the goal and can you were opened a laptop they do that go to sleep and every do the whole thing so hey if they do that I will be working twenty four seven can't total or eight one guy's scissors human like the first day it was created in school we just can't we we rolled really deep with like thirty the laptop this sticker the chains yeah I'm Nick Paton everyone good luck on your shirt it was almost like I you know I it was just kind of weird it was cool but it was also where I'm like Dang like that's people know you guys over does that you're talking about New York Yeah New York was crazy so it was a four narrow World Cup was I like big tournament hosted a thirty million dollar prize will again then I might need to have to get a gym right now after talking to these guys know I always tweet now you whenever you didn't gaming allowed to have an tackling child and nobody ever talked about it like I never know lighthearted Komo no shade no not no not in a bad way but I've only heard of girls products from Lululemon I didn't even know they started girls yeah yeah that was yeah it was so it was so dope so the one of the highlights the weekend was we did like a pop up shop at stadium goods in New York was crazy a full weekend of just like fifty as members mob in everywhere together it's like the most you've ever had together in one place I saw five minute like it was a Nissan Video I think that said that setting which is just blew our minds like they experienced I I can't explain it and I know I'm not doing good job explaining it but what we all felt in that moment and I think any of us even expected just surrounded by fans in the middle of the street coming off the bus new rockstar for US obviously like it's that at all like the amount of people are going crazy people were waiting the night before camping out at like ten pm the night before people would just from all around the world what day pop up shop was like I don't know like we expected a good amount of people to come but I would just the screaming like just the way that the whole vibe of I'm usually like to follow the rules I'm not the guy that likes the rebel banks for example right but I just was too in the moment I wanted to I joined which is crazy but you know like I've we've had all these experiences every you know every year it gets more and more we need more fans but still to this day road still just blows on that the the biggest and the best sports organization there is right now and we'll be But I just crazy just the now this is the coolest thing about us to hand sign you know it's like it's so easy to just throw it up so everyone turn it up bigger fingers there and they were going crazy screaming our names and shit the cops had to shut it down in like two hours do the cops hated me because like the passionate like it's insane it blows our mind said this day like I'm like it's been like I've been in phase for eight years coming up on nine years next year while I was fourteen mic guys these guys have been waiting for since five am ten pm last night you gotTa let us out I wanted to go hyper them up like just feel the experience so they let me go off like one we're standing on the bus and where it was crazy it was crazy experience we would have obviously like you said never expected to get to that point but yeah it was just a crazy weekend enroll next fans who met so many fans even at the World Cup of school because Sony People were just weren phase jerseys face shirts phase foam fingers every time the camera on the crowd as a kid looks better always getting hurt just you know moving that's actually funny it reminds me I'm GonNa throw the guy into the bus but there's another NBA player. I'm sure you've got pretty big hands because Michael is so swollen that's probably what it is you gotta just Louis just kind of jammed it so you can't even that's my favorite thing is just seemed people were Ganic like shout out something we're doing are welcome so on it I don't know it's awesome it's just we're in a good place just feels really good like many people will know me as I know you if not more so you or like other phase me just because that's kind of the the worrying and now she phases again in like Samson offset recently invested just kinda hit in the mainstream media more it's ever since you came into real guys all coming in should were athletes y'all a young like that cult following like it's like there's an this is crazy because obviously no you youtuber do the last eight years of my life I happen to like three years ago I was like embarrassed to tell anyone what I what I do like I wouldn't I didn't even show my face now that just follow Youtube before night is just insane and what's crazy about like the reason like him and like all these NBA players are playing is because like we're the general weekend so it was like the perfect time to do it our guys got like top ten I think both tournaments but we definitely like one the reserve he doing row and I'm like sorry I'm like I'm just I'm sorry I'm not going to stop ran out elite force me into the bus at the end and like they would not let me off the bus and we actually broke through the in mainstream a little more because gaming so popular yeah crazy thing is it was obviously there's a big weekend for phase but it was a big for for gaming in general and phase dominated the AH tele funny but yeah New York was was crazy it was just like we all felt like phase reach like another level after that we experience I wanted to kill the bro I gotta go outside and like no we're not letting anyone outside like we were forced in the in the Little Room in like n Stadium Goods Oh you don't I mean I'm sure we'll get into a little bit later in episode like you didn't think you were going to be a from where you are now but it's like you walk down the street I'll I'll games off and a lot of them watch phase like that's why all these guys are coming out and nowhere and like reaching out to us because they used to watch a lot of basketball like Ben Simmons used to watch phase any aspect it just makes it so organic and just easy connect so I don't know I just part of the culture now too which is crazy kind of like what you were saying about you might have been embarrassed thirty seconds then pull this and then when we got shut down we all just ran out and we just said like fuck it we don't care at all like I looked at the security guard like he kept looking at me they kept looking at me like what Asian that played video games a lot right now growing up so now all these college players and now you know rookies second-year NBA players all grew up playing video games minute and like not even if his fans you know heard about that they might be mad because he didn't even talk about basketball you just like damn I'm just pissed I can't believe I was like Sh- I can't expose leads us right it's like everyone just loves it because everyone wanted grew up watching phase wanted to be a part of it so when they finally got in everyone just has the same love each other and phase like cool when drake played with Ninja blue from that day okay now like you're cool if you've you know like we were all closet gamers it sounds wack but like for real the mainstream media in touch it must be cool and then it just opened it up and then all celebrities athletes everyone started pouring in but the thing is you still have to be authentic with like we worked so hard to get here to the thing is it's been blowing up recently right so people like think it's brand new and now people are realizing is easy as people think no to become a stream earned become wore the shoes and then we followed each other and it just organic because we like you guys do you guys like it just I don't know it's cool it's we would've never expected that yeah that's cool like we like your music it's just organic like with Youtube just organic where I was Lakers fan make so I watched him get drafted game do all that kind of stuff but like now like I'm playing begin in the world of warcraft and all that I like twitter tweet it out last couple days like the on Youtube I don't want people I tell my brothers stop telling people that I mean like because my brothers and he makes gaming video shut up don't tell anyone like I was so embarrassed but tells like seventeen now it's like the coolest thing in the world to kids you know what I'm saying now everybody wants to be and it's it's awesome I don't know it's just the amount of kids to be able to bridge the sports and gaming and then like music and gaming so easily but it just when when people actually play the Games they're they're into the scene in everywhere you look there's a phase lawyer like knew I had like other organ like other guys that own like other teams like two or three two meals like dude how you guys are just you for like for for us for sure even you guys like welcome a new member like every single member phases tweeting life and it's not like they're hitting like hey guys you have to do drake play with Ninja who do in their Travis Guy like once that happened it was just it took on a life of its own and wash get drafted I was watching summer league was rooting for you and like that Jeff Classic the whole first year I was a big Lakers fan and then we just kinda got like you said how and honestly I saw the news about Ninjas signing with Adidas stuff like that just he's really just making this he's just paving the way for making that money for sure ago who who is a Weirdo whatever even streaming live stream probably always streaming now older and the number one by far was youtubers slash Vlogger in like five years ago player L. Mixer Adidas but it's just he's really just make it bridging that gap yeah the rest of the world he's paving the way and it's I don't know people that work I was kind of home was with you know I am homeys with and he plays four nine a lot and when he broke his finger first thing he's like fuck man I can't even I'm not gonna be able to four night for like I don't know it's just it is we it's sounding that sound cliche and it is but it's like a family that really is though and like that weekend really shined and there was a big double we're not just obviously playing twenty four hours a day like they see the other aspects of our life to that's all you know but now when you when Drake Ninja it's okay for now gaming school fifty k. so it's like the parent now is like okay I mean he'll be game in August of Bahia the chance to win three million worst-case scenarios go to yeah yeah we were just everywhere we went all out and it was so fun because everyone in phase loves face and once you that's a cool thing about it is separate the you know like I want to hear you talk about it because you've you know it's I'm sure you probably have tons of NBA players hitting you guys but hey can I being phased phasing like do you actually care about what we're building breath where twitch really grew strimmers really grew and you know it definitely helped every you know game over his as in every individual streamers younger was it was just a huge fan yeah Yati was like a big fan which was like crazy when he told us what we saw a whole high school used to watch you guys I was like even though I was saying I was for a while the once I moved in with these guys and we also doing the same thing we just accepted it yeah yeah that's what phases we like the Gamers we don't care you know and like we do our own oh he wins fifty k. so it's like as parents and even like I'm like I'm into basketball world like they'd be gathering locker room and obviously I'm big into gaming so they'll talking about managing your time in making your kid like he's not doing anything bad if he's sitting there playing like you never I don't know that's a whole debate about kids everyone nobody wants to talk about it or not really us we kind of accepted who we are that's where our fans are so like loyalty is is 'cause like we're all very apparently we're unapologetic you know who we are your your kid is love game he's good and he like good enough to qualify for World Cup or something like that and like even if you qualify if you will ninety nine tim whatever but even now like there's a kid named heist guy that we recruited to face the youngest player ever so he was eleven when we recruited it's a whole controversy publicly say how old he was and neither did we because it was his own thing ended up coming out he's twelve now and there was this whole controversy but my point is when I want autumn in phase armed and it's like oh wow that's like that's crazy just following and how genuine it is so I mean and even now Mike a little crash course like what gaming is you know brand deals and like how he can make money in like I did that for like three kids that we recruited to phase recently I'm like I don't mind because I'm only twenty three right but I've been doing it for so long yeah nine years now eight years like I've seen the evolution of two and we obviously know we're in the front we we know what's a couple years ago it's not even like there's more people are becoming gamers more people are just admitting that they're gamers just like me is because you know it was it became like cool to be a part of like you wanted to say you like you you wanted to be now oh you knock create Komo like this is crazy as how much gaming has just grown even just the last two years uh stuff like that but like issues production is a totally different love and it just keeps growing and that's the crazy part about us and now it's like I'm a nerd and this is I I fully embrace it I was icon what he was saying like I always loved playing like playing video games like they they have an opportunity make a lot of money like about a lot of the parents are very supportive which is good like I think that people are open their eyes so yeah but having having used to be parents like real what are you doing get up go get a job but thankfully I was in school my parents are supportive but like even for me when I turned eighteen I was like listen I got I'm going to drop my classes so I don't even want to get into that but like he he wanted to keep basically thirteen to stream on twitch right so he didn't son you're sitting on like your son is GonNa make hundreds of thousands of dollars before he turns fourteen thirteen you know Mike he has so much attention to make money and I just had kinda explain Oh accept it now it's not lame anymore I full recently there's only like the interviewed only like two thousand kids but like it was one here and one in Europe and the number with ask them what they want to be with you just don't win number one you you're you get ten you and you get a quarter of a million like what what can you say like stop playing you just made everything else imperative yeah so that's always a big misconception too whenever people say that Gamer Mike kind of I've never professional played in my life yeah because I think about it you have like the World Cup you know Muga made three million Yes oh overnight so I as a parent if yeah parents before they were like why playing video games I'm more like Becca face off screen we'll get blind or whatever you go from bad to like a lot of ways for me I was lucky that my parents are like supportive too because a lot of people do disowning people that in the history of joining phase and back way back in the day that like had to leave because to recruit him like the whole time like let me talk to you that I had to sit there with his dad will explain what this world is you don't understand that potential your son that's what's tough but nowadays it's kind of becoming a thing that you know you can't really deny what can come out of gaming so I think that's allowing a lot more and care about them is it because it's you can definitely tell you're being authentic about it I'm I'm fully embracing the as and that's where our fans are like so strong to go back on that is like it's like we're like a lifestyle gaming brand you know and most people are just strictly gaming brand in I don't know that is a move to New York and I'm GonNa move into a house with all these guys we're gonna make videos and appearances like all right if you think it's what's Best I said all right yeah they trust lucky exactly like you know dubs and mega who are like just pure competitive froze so there's so many different pads you want to be an entertainer and stream and create content for your fans or do you want to just like literally be talion nineteen what I tweeted out that I'm like getting into World War craft and that no like like two three you never played and even now I don't make gaming videos like barely make like foreign now four nights pop in you know like it's a fun game that action joy at it hasn't been a game I've enjoyed like the professional gamers Doodoo that practice like they practiced together over strategies and stuff yeah no we gotta do too is bring in like a you know we have professional gamers and we also have people that just make you two videos that stream and they're just all under one banner and like just like a group we just push everyone forward and just keep I mean it's serious little thing counts for real yeah and it's getting to that point now I mean all these leagues are happening to like you said now people are seeing money right you know my name on the ballot like that but now it's like is is GonNa be cool in it and there's so much money behind epic did a great job with where the worker a and what the hell are you doing but it was the best decision you know I could have ever made because that's how phase grew it was moved into a house together I've ever trying to from a competitive standpoint or are they trying to emulate how you know the NBA and the NFL and the MLB a structured. Yeah so not every you know it's it just okay so now whether we like it or not it's going to turn into that for sure where there's GonNa be a diet plan coach fitness and y like for you for example I'm sure that's what interested you about investing in US versus another org is like a whole `nother side to it then there's the professional gaming it's like all mold guys at home their money and now it's all these leagues are coming up over watch the call of Duty League and their sports team owners are buying like you said you've been doing it since you were fourteen so you can obviously it was a different time when you were fourteen and fortunately now but to be able to talk about sort of that journey I think probably sure can kids to kind of take shoot their shot in the space and try to be a pro or you tourist dreamer so well the interesting thing you just hit on the appro or Youtuber it's like you have someone like Ninja who on the scene so there's there's a lot of aspects of gaming in the whole scene it's not just sitting at home playing eight hours a day but that's just crazy to appeal to understand like a coach like a mental health coach Shu and like a diet plan and stuff a lot of people do that some of that were planning on doing like dude you got to when you're playing for millions of dollars listening to a Los Angeles blink in New York blink versus just face you know so you have to buy it's actually twenty million dollars to buy yeah you know that I've wanted to make videos on it and they have done well on youtube so I really haven't made gaming videos but people just look at us so you're like the Gamer guy I guess like but that's the thing about sitting in front of us so we know the opportunity that people have so like I was explaining to parents and like just please try to understand what Oprah kid has special is is not I mean I want to call them a Gamer but he's an entertainer now he's like really transcended whether it means and the guys like you know the phases World Cup team aim right so they can decide whatever they want to do and I think every game can like some games have the power to do whatever they want some games kind of have to do with him you knew me about some of these certain aspects of it and some people will be like hey I might have my son game whatever must follow my footsteps have them like it's a weird world because every game is kinda different so I call of duty is owned by Blizzard activision and they did that with overwatch and they're doing the call duty so there it's there and they you know they distrusted what added you obviously they didn't blindly trust Outta talk to them about it but like thing not everyone's blessed with like you know people to support them now it's still a weird weird worlds like still so fresh and like everyone's disfiguring the thing out but yeah so I call of duty is going into like they're trying to make like an NFL. Yeah so like I think it was off podcasts I like the players I'll look out for each other it's kind of how it is here too like although Oregonians like us people own other ORCs we're all kind of looking out for each other and you have to buy in a franchise in a closed league in like it's like a salary cap transfer cat there's like why they're making like a full on league this this crazy because you wouldn't think about it would be anything remotely close to this yeah five years ago Yeah Oh for sure yeah let's let's talk about sort of when you mentioned you join phase in twenty eleven fourteen what was the gaming space like guts and then if it works we're moving forward if not we have to just find another way to move forward and just everyone kind of it's kind of like the NBA like we're talking about auto racing it seems on twitter saying that like someone they tell the kid mom I just made like what can you say to you it's such a like I I don't know that's the conversation because it's like they're like cap and stuff to like you know like counter strike for example people are getting paid like it's weird because yeah a lot of people getting involved these is meant yeah this listen to this just like this I don't WanNa see each other succeed because we all know we need each other to succeed succeed type so everyone's kind of like talking together making the right moves together but it just the few thousand kids that caught my eye was entertained by and I thought they were the coolest for whatever reason I think about it today and it's so weird but phase always had this cool factor too mhm but back then it was like I don't even know there was the roster was like ten people but it was like they were just doing some they're basically we have a chance to buy a card spot do so there's like Atlanta New York L. A. L. I don't know how much I'm sure people are spending even more to but I know it's like it's you too and I would just do I was really into baseball like I'm weird like like I get very obsessed with something that's all folks like all I did was play Baseball Watch base my video and then he like added me and then like a couple months later I just got in like through luck basically that he added me one day on Skype just being nice and then like three bag you know all of them so there's the Overwatch League which has been happening for the last couple of years and its own back vision to snow people that own spots in that league okay shot explain it in sports terms like you know you the freestylers soccer charters perfect right I don't know just a weird dynamic to eastport didn't exist so just a lot of change going on and I just feel like people are going to succeed in some ways people are gonna fail in some ways and we're just everyone do cool like get cool like highlights Dunkin on people basically and they're like the I really do it so like I don't know caught my eye ball play baseball games on the xbox go the sports park and watch other like that's all I did like five years then randomly something switched to my brain notch got until like gaming so figuring it out as as it goes that's interesting no one knows what to do we're all just figuring it out so like for us when we make decisions we have no idea what we're doing but we're just going buyers their salaries some you'll have Saudis thirty k. a month to compete as a pro rate this called leaks cabinet so like at the time phase had like three thousand subscribers so the community was absolutely tiny who are the members at the time so the only hun lasting now is Tommy temper like even back then nothing else even existed they're just like holy shit like that brand is so cool so luckily somehow it's just the longest to rise but it was still tiny like sixty dollars drivers not that it's not a lot like for anyone out there that makes you I'm not saying it's not that is a lot of people but the right time forgot who I was talking to someone talking about the I'm not sure if it was over watch or in Atlanta and they were late whoever it was spent a it was nuts row was like feel I mean I can imagine it's that time one hundred when you're on an NBA court it's like for US whenever we're GonNa have that experience but like we that some high message him and he joined face so I joined a face had like sixty cases subscribers saw at the time it was getting big like it was it was starting okay do it it's nuts I I don't even know how this stuff even happen but so I was fourteen and for whatever reason I just found modern warfare two videos they're not like the best basketball players but they do really yeah that's what these guys that's what phase did so like they weren't you know the Pros Harlem globetrotters and he's sixty nine in the double digits millions I'm not I'm not gonNA put the business like that but this is an eight figures and it's it's nuts it's but that's the thing worry but like I ended up joining face Tommy temper I like message on Youtube Hey I want to join face because that's how small it was back then I had read the messages Right House you know Eleanor for whatever reason I decided to record myself playing bought a little shitty five dollar capture device in started recording myself and then I came across phase uh-huh it's still up there for sure but that's what's crazy and I think part of it I was like because of that and then obviously like there's so much money being made in gaming in general Camano refer to I just started watching people play you guys come on over to a little you know like the new can solve the world's fastest new I would watch it feels like that uh-huh yeah I did join so we quickly pass them and then yeah over the years now phase at like seven million on you to here we are nine years later but the scene is so the scene back then was that was like all the scene was you know there was nobody there wasn't like it was like optic who is a bigger team but it was a couple hundred thousand we quickly pass or not from the beginning yeah so that's people just loyal to that so so talk about the New York House kind of when it happened we started you know we got that team they compete professionally so they'd go around the world then that audience home the audience that watch professional gaming not what we did the way I viewed it a lot of people share that same like perspective like change I I don't know I'm early listen I'm not explaining this while I'm not too good it's all these teams over grew into a business but for the first five years it was no business it was no it was just a small club of people making youtube videos but you made it to a couple of thousand kids who gives a shit y'all play call of duty it doesn't really matter but for whatever reason it was just a timeframe we all played it that expanding slowly so like back then immense nothing at all was this youtube videos then we hired professional gamers to play under our our it in everyone just kind of had this experience watching videos and then kind of just grew up with it and like the people that kept watching I don't know it just I don't even not explain the we started seeing what phases and they maybe they look it up on Youtube and you know we grew from that then we just started going into different games like counter strike you know rainbow six it really meant nothing to phase before you know it was it's like unless you were part of the community like in the community it was big because like damn you made it to phase because like it was everybody wanted got a couple hundred thousand followers on Youtube for sure so we kinda built this online presence but just in that small community you know nobody else who we were he had to be in the community to know then is it just like if you were in that timeframe if you played called the at that time for like you'll know what I'm talking about when I just can't you said he'd like to use the word special but it was like a special time right it'd be in phase so it was like a it was like it was like a club that was hard to get in basically like imagining the cool kids but they don't let anyone in you gotta get invited in so if you made it you made it like knows before their secret thing that you know that just watch at home without anyone knowing I just watched people play call of duty like you wouldn't WanNa tell anyone but van right to rep efficiency just like when you played for the Lakers you know what year was that that was probably around like twenty thirteen okay so we by then playing a video game so it like it really meant nothing but I think because it got so big while meaning nothing like that's why people are so connected to the brand because like they were just fans of the Eh one of the biggest rappers repin phase just like how I watched you know now they won't make I used to watch like seven years ago now in schools this random housing on youtube that like it probably want to tell their friends they watch you know what I'm talking about and then now for them to see you know an NBA player repin phase in a row. I'm like dude like we just had we all had that feeling we gotta just take the next level we saw the potential that's the thing for the last eight years we've all seen the potential if you've been in it you've seen the tension and then people just had the same grew up in this little small community together and we all just kind of get together and then I I don't even know what just started new each like who we work because we're all in phase but the more we made video together all our numbers started going up you know so like that was the verse and a couple of days members who had we had our big youtube channels by ourselves and we just move us from our house so we all move together we started making content together so all our fans it's like a drug bro but so we were doing good all on our own but we were at an event together actually in Columbus we rented house we had a budget as members there and then like four of us went through I'm more to the other owners they live together at the time so they're kind of doing it but they also didn't really make youtube videos so then me some phase rain and yeah I mean I'm going to be real optic had like a stream house before us but like we were the first to do it with like just youtube what was the thought process of light you know what we're just going to go all in it was I mean like you said like this is crazy not a lot of parents you know supported there could yeah I sure so so the New York House this was in two thousand fourteen I was eighteen I just didn't millions of grabbers on Youtube so we all had a pretty big audience but into like you know university but I was like I gotta take the risk you know I'm never gonNa Opportunity this again we sponsor that offered to pay for the house everyone in my words but it just like if you're part of the community to see what to get to where we're at today to write it out from the beginning and just you just feel special to be a part of it in phases brand that's been there like we got to grow this more like we're going to start because back then and we were just gamers so it could go to start blogging you know doing like challenge videos pranked time that people really moved in together and like one added like together in a house just solely based on making youtube videos that idea is like the foundation that a lot of I mean we just built this crazy fan base like for real it was like a next step like we had our core fans from gaming but then we just all these new fans came in from like raining banks came from Boston Irving Biggs and Tom Banks and Tommy rain came from Canada he dropped out of school he was doing to we just went all in and like after apple months we just started getting more views more views more views we started expanding our content at first wasn't you know obviously didn't pop right away but I don't know the as it grew into this it just like everyone shares that same like that I have was someone else shy about but now I'm proud of you know that like changed oh but like so hard to explain it's other people you know and you just like whatever you guys will see that's what we've been saying for like five years for real so at the moment we gotta take the next level rough at certain times but thank God we rode through because yeah that was definitely the turning point for phase if there ever was one it had to be the house that house the stuff we gotta like explore new audience I'm bringing a new audience expand our content so like we sat down we just like we gotta do it I was in school banks and Tommy payments and stuff because other guys aren't responsible to do it I'm eighteen avenue background in any of this shit like finance we had no background that all we were just figuring it out hey this is gonna take us to the next level but the first like two months man I was sitting there like Oh my God I don't WanNa live here I it was in New York I want from Sun set us up for everything you know like now we're sitting in the phase office like back then it was just four of us I was like the one that was doing all the really made the name for phase by all the content do we were making like video there was like six videos a day coming out of the House I don't know how he did it I was making one I want maybe to visit but they were they were also professional team there were really just focused on winning us we went in and we went all in like again I I was a semester away from graduating you have obviously like you know staff and accounting team and all that but that house was very vital to getting to this point for sure that like in California my whole life to New York raining snowing and like the guys those living with it which is the visor weren't we still young so like we were like it was flying I don't even do it it's insane like I don't even know how he's pulled all those views back in the day but like we weren't even realizing what we were doing it like kicks us out and I go home and like thing that didn't happen because we would not be sitting here today if that happened but yeah we definitely had those moments where like all my it was so Loki Jealous and vice versa which is obviously not good so we had to learn that lesson but after we overcame all that we love like right now and I looked back on command I would give anything we were just having fun yeah and that's the most important thing is when it comes to this is like just doing what you were what you WanNa do doing that's the thing we were getting so much backlash you like it was just like you know like we had a pretty big audience a million subscribers on youtube yeah but the thing is like I wasn't GonNa had the followers but you did I like you know you were lucky but just kind of talking about you know Kinda like I we're going all in like what it meant for you guys do was it a turning point for the brand logs in from our personalities right not not from our game play so that was the first big step for us because we moved in with prank each other they got to see our relationships with each other like everything we first month there are landlord was outside Yellen about something so the guy that to co sponsor that was paying for a house remember look out my window and I hope he kicks us out broader audience in and we all closer together as well we kind of solidified ourselves as you know who we are as the owners phase and like we just just whack too because like we weren't happy for each other when we do all right we're competing with each other low key it's like me and rain for example if I'd say his video would get like five hundred thousand that'd be how did we do it I have no idea because we were all sitting there we'd wake up we'd all help each other with a video we post it could just chill would go to sleep would do the same thing the next day blend grinds who videos a day and streaming every single day for like a month street now I struggled to make one video day every other you know what I'm saying like when I look back we just did it like we were just playing hall duty and everything just what's happened so this logo I mean if there's anyone that's been around for a while this is another they were all bussed posting like five six a day total probably like four or five million views a day at our peak was coming out of the house and we were just like the growth we just stay on gaming only because it wasn't as big as it is now you know wasn't as so I don't know it was a lot of trials and tribulations but we tried everything but that house was definitely merch emerge or like like immerse release numerous every day like the champion club we did like a lot by the way a couple other org any point yeah I mean it sounds like a turn out to be a good decision though because you know we're kind of talking about it earlier but now in two thousand nineteen as big as gaming is it's not even from go back there for a week and live in that house for a week back then I'll say I can't wait to get out of here like I remember one time on her landlord was like December so we moved in November it was the next month podcast no I'm really isn't if you really think of that's crazy we just got so used to the big number like we've had profitable months which I can't I don't think any other sports or consecutive they've done that especially at the level where in it's because of that because the content and because Eh exclusive one thing I will say like I you're you're right most east org burning money right and that's how a lot of businesses it's not bad lot I feel like a because I'm just talking to you guys have to be careful with something like I feel like I might have already said some stuff that maybe I should have publicly talk about but whatever we can harder podcast the F. A. C. so that's phase clan awhile so that's all it is it's a backward efficacy people people clicking and views weren't really like you know I was probably getting hundred thousand views which is not bad again I'm not talking trust me now I don't even get the only thing we told them off camera that's how much we were recording basically so now is definitely a huge turning point in phase did you guys ever think of like at the beginning of it like Dan isn't standpoint is not profitable to be just east you guys is roots are in content and community building I mean like uh even phase up like that's like our catchphrase whatever phase up one of our prose on our call of duty team way back twenty thirteen randomly said phase of is this just all offices for the for like Amazon for example Amazon wasn't making any money for who knows how long they get uber still losing money yeah exactly the biggest companies are still losing money came random and then just stuck with our fans stuck with us we just throw it out it's just hilarious oh like the origin of this this girl I don't know if she knows she came up with it that's how it is you just burn money but it's all about the guy you know ten years later so like most sports or is it like that but that's what makes us different I'm not saying we're over your profiting but was a champion I don't know if he has even heard about it but they don't hear about and that's how relevant it not to talk freely we're not talking about fans like us is because we've always been ourselves so yeah for you I mean as you started off as a Gamer will say you weren't competing professionally it's so crazy dude that's the thing it just all it all came at a time where we weren't even trying you know like we weren't like all right what's our business plan what's low we're going to be we gotta come up with day and we made it in this Tommy's ex girlfriend made this up one day and it style the complete spotlight but when it comes to the business like we just Kinda let there's people we trusted that we just like let it run it run the business you know like set up the business because we didn't know shit about it we try and like now it's like for the first five six years we were just having fun and like we're just being ourselves organic from the beginning that's that's wild for for straying away from gaming fan he guys play more call of duty what are you guys do we don't WanNa see blogs you know but we knew we had to do it we knew that we're not focus on my on my cell phone channel because that's where my income is Ben you know but now I'm like okay companies out this place where we really need to keep growing it so like I've been doing that side and then all that's the that's my favorite part about what we bill is like we didn't try like we just like obviously the last couple years we did because we you know became a business and now we're really money we gotta be organic and now they fully understand it but like I don't know it's just like we really are trying to maintain that aspect of our band because that's why we're here you know what I'm saying that's why I don't know there's GonNa be there's GonNa work you moved cross her ale for sure so when we moved when we went in we're like we know that if we do this we know so it's like a mutually beneficial thing but I've been yeah the more become office and I answer your questions and I just maybe too long but crazier fan zone hop right on it because they love our logo I'm not GonNa lie I love this logo this logo uses eh the logo is Tommy some like real detailed like ahead of meaning behind it it's all it is backwards efficacy Tommy would you go back in guys that are helping run the company now we're on the same page fully but like his it goes months of fighting back and forth like guys no no we don't care if this is the best way to go China came in and I was like all right like what do we need our con- like we need to make for the face youtube channel it was dead for years now it's at seven million subscribers we had like five million you guys want to get these guys together we're going to record videos every week and post them and now the channel 'cause I knew I could I just knew like just focus on I know I could do it but I just been like learning a lot from the guys that are in the company with you know they're teaching us a lot about like business and like just to understand the business world like what kind of goes on and like we weren't posting nobody was focusing on it and I was like all right I'm on come in and I'm GonNa make content plan and I'm just going to tell you no I'm gonna just plan out videos and we have a house right with it was that transition like Ben for you so I'm going to be real like there was a period of time were all of us kind of just stepped out for like a year or two not out of like just I don't know I just kind of navigating like most telling everyone we have to kind of push the as to the to the younger kids because we have so many people like I'm twenty three so I know that sounds dumb to some people but like I'm saying the fourteen year olds sixteen year olds that are pro at the about the business and like obviously doing deals with like you know Nissan which is undo with them like you know learning about how all this stuff works in China the brand words Ben make sure that the brand stays organic you know if I'm not in here in the office there's going to be a disconnect you know what I'm saying between just because I wanted to stay relevant you know for phases Sagan Mountains Sake and like obviously it's my job to but like I would love to just fully focus my timeline you know recently though like we really like me specifically in everyone we all of us kind of got more involving Maecenas if I'd say in February is trying to step into this world more like the the other side of phase you know not the content creating setup for me but like the brand in like building the brand and learning one doesn't overshadow other like it's a balance right now and it's just we're trying to figure out the balance I've been trying my best to help as much as possible to kind of just put everyone on the single day and it's like I know people are GonNa be like stop complaining and what are you talking like it's like I'm not I'm very grateful for what I did but it's very like it's I wanna tell me is random ex-girlfriends from five years ago now but yeah coming in here and the volunteers and building the company and like building the vision of phase and where we're going and my favorite thing now is like passing on like the you know the staff were trying to do their jobs and the youtubers so like I speak both languages now so I have to be there like bridge bridge and like make sure that bauge there's crazy because like what you're saying is like total opposite of like what half the people want to do an industry most of the people don't want to do like Geno director of where phase is going to cause like it's like I said the there's so many aspects to it but keeping their brand in this you know contracts and you know how like how much of a headache this stuff is but like to be able to understand it like it's it's a good it's been a cool experience to learn it and we're also teaching them about missile topic but I'll tell you the real story of the local Tommy Temper he drew up the logo all it is a big ass no you don't know what it is I'm gonNA blame now so this is a backward I mentally dreaming it's exhausting and then to have tens of thousands of kids waiting for you to mess up what are you doin' do that instead of what do you know immune for me play video games then yeah I did it for so long like I did it for years there was like a period of three years right uploaded every who's the job is as easy as it sounds there's struggles everything there's pros and cons everything so for me my visions more of the brand thing that brand is the way for everyone the more of them come to the office the more you spend like dipping into like everything that's happening so like I don't know like it's been a really experienced because a game or the turn you became a content creator now you're a businessman an owner like essentially put down the controller really to focus on on the business and helping run is that comfortable it'd be just interesting for the for the listeners to hear about just like behind the scenes what what the infrastructure is and who's running everything and the different teams in place and they come to office that experience of definitely getting more of that experience in I'm like kind of addicted to it to be honest I don't even I make you still I wanna see face succeed but it's also just because we see kids that love phase as much as we do I don't know it's just want them to be good and take care of them make sure that they have arm us the most important thing to us now is thing as organic as possible dude we we sit here and we fight with like we just need the staff here I love them were all in like the where we're at now it just makes me so excited to where we can be because I know if we just work hard we can do even crazier thing so the coolest thing is we're surrounded now with so many people so many people so many crazy backgrounds like our theo used to run capitol records which is actually I don't know if the camera shows but the building's right there Chad Ali and then we you know to like get brand deals get cash thrown at them and just you know play to the best of their doing as many viewers as they can help them in obviously because in and be a better entertainer that's going to overtake my spot that always happens but I wanna make sure that phase never falls off from the top and I think we can do that for sure Ju just bring and you're like what are you doing get back into the gym it's like the same thing with us like anything you do your under a microscope even coming up with video every day as easy cool is that job kids that we bring into our team right like I really do like dubs a mega those the sixteen fourteen when I see them on like I just WanNa protect these kids I don't want anything bad album I just want people out there that are just talking to brands all day yet jailer he worked his am now he's over here running our finance team so like you know a brand will reach out to him hey we good experience with us and I want them to be forever we are and like that's what built the brand to what it is you know when we when we first like linked up with you guys and we were of this amount of dollars we want you to promote us this way then they usually come to me because I know the organic way to do it that's the thing to like someone can offer us ten million dollars in do this in you thinking about coming on as investing obviously like you said we we knew it phase was we'd seen the content we knew the following that you guys have but I think the most interesting thing was like getting under the hood and get him people and making everyone also like feel the love of phase you know like that's when we recruit people I wanNA make sure they have the best experience because we genuinely do care about the from sponsorships and finding all that stuff yeah for sure so that's why like like you said since I can't see that side security putting a podcast out once a week it's hard yeah know how it is you know how it is and you know I'm GonNa do my own thing but that's gonna I'm GONNA fall off at one every kind of did fall off right because I stopped for a little bit like there's going to be someone that's going to be better than me you know do just do this for us in like if we're not cool with idea like Nah it's like me and like the guys that have been here for a while that's what we do we kind of keep everyone in check like up now the you know that are the best they're doing just teaching them kind of like how to do what we did you know so that's I don't know I I've been really that's what it is so it's not you don't always get the gist of like the organic side you always think of the business as we gotta bring in dollars and not yes and it learning about like what you guys do business and really learning about the operation that is face Clinton that is just so much more than what people see on Youtube as much as you feel a youtube call of duty trick shots that's all it was even back then what like joining mean music we'd play together that's what I'm saying we're not GONNA be able to run the brand if we don't have money and like we're both right but there's just the balance right so it took US awhile of Yellen in fighting to get that balanced but like you know that's my thing really interests me like I've been doing this I'm not over youtube but like I didn't do enough for so long Keno I kind of really hit my p but with this unlimited opportunity of like what we like that's honestly Ben like a struggle was struggle in the past like they would tell us that would be like no we can't ruin our brand you know we can't do things for money because it's going to be uh-huh yeah so the fact that like these people are going all in now too and then we full finance team this is what you're saying people don't see financing sales team so greg who's our president you guys remember Karma loop back in the day he made Carmello like so we got people that did crazy things here Karma the budget thing awhile as line we gotta stay organic and it's not that they don't WanNa game they just you know they don't know yet you know when you go into a business mindset as always about making money so the game had a content creator side you're like rather out rather go in office and like dude us then you know the crew playing video games ah I can't say the first part you said closet look like Carmel and Greg literally new eggs I want a man who that line it's so balanced now because all these teams everyone is under the same like vision everyone understands the brands very important but yeah they're so they're all working they're pitching like us to you know big sponsors you know obviously I can't look there's names I don't want to drop names because one I don't WanNa be that guy too I don't know if I can the people in like it was struggle but we made it we're here and we have we have solid teams in each department knows what they're doing everyone's on the same page in who is like they all just like we explain everything to them do they are we have like the dope issue will hear that wants you know like if I don't understand something for example there's issues and this stuff to fix but I think you know we now we're at is we've hired a Lotta people we've had lego people because it's finding the right think they're also coming more into our world and other events with us and stuff so like they were at New York with us a lot of them like Oh my God you know like that was eye opening for them to like they're taking bring up the them so what are you talking about like no way they're interested now I'm like where's this brand like where's where's the Nikes and the doesn't like Ninja just signed with Adidas right like now you see I forgot about that I mean so many cool like one off things with brands but I don't know that sales team all days talking to these brands like for a while understand you know the other guys Leeann Gray mentioned any questions I have at all like I feel so I'll ask him anything and they'll ask me anything so it's like we all just want to help each other our fans are the most important thing to the brand so we understand them and we know how we just gotTa make them happy I love it that's why people love as authentic as it gets he has no filter whatever and whenever anything comes it's always like like let's just let let banks we're looking for that because we know that's the level of into so like to see them like evolution of them and like having a full team of people that come in every morning to work and to sell US my lawyers like dude ask not meyler are loyal he's like ask any question you want I'll sit here all day reading every word of the document explaining whatever you need explain like it's important obviously her because we all just want this we all see the potential so we all just want to like make sure we're all we're just going forward for obviously like every company there's Rock Lake let him go on twitter and like just win public appeal to but the thing is it's not even if anything we're stop tweeting you can't stop motion who'd he and now you're in east organization with find you know financial team in-house lawyers as sales team this is yeah that was the thing with him at first like he has filter so when there's people he's like who are these people in your they suckling obviously so like he nothing against him understand it more than anybody on the planets now they're obviously very valuable it just yeah the world's weird men like I said I like if I'm being real I don't think anybody knows what N- did he will not stop like he can start tweet in we'll start calling him tex him he did something will happen and then he'll have like a twenty five minute like super this crazy guy I'm just undescended thing I'm like hanging like this is really started really just off lake making Turk shah making videos articulate youtube video up but that's people love him yeah excuse me I'm more cautious but beings just goes they actually suck but he just like they don't get it they don't get it nobody yeah so like out of a hard and I had to like that again to be the translator for his psycho nist and like another ten years longer than me five ten years and it's still a brand new like you're saying so some people some people we just Kinda got lucky man would just got lucky with guilty fire early guilty they they're good man shadow phil if he's out there this guy who are lawyers obese and they're really good they're my favorite thing that you everything he became a rock star so it's that's actually a really good question because like it's changed so much that's been another disconnect like brands and to talk to brands and we have you know lawyer and a fool like legal team in the production team and we have teams illegal table income in the really is like it's late because you've been out for so long but it's like from a global standpoint we're not even talking about China like I mean there's just two there's even people that have been in the scene a place at the right time and obviously something we're passionate about but like the timing would just got lucky to get into early there's people that have been in it even longer than people's hard because nobody really understands the space and cer- baby so like you want to treat it your baby after he sure did that was a big problem like especially banks you know a lot about banks which department is it's so crazy thing you know little bit less than ten years ago this is just make videos resisting no schools because it's a cool content to surprise them and like they get to excited and then the last couple of years even even recently with high sky and sway someone that also saw recruited support him but now definitely you know there's the pros who we we sit with we talk to negotiate salaries and contracts and Blah Blah Blah Mike Hi Scott Megan how you guys just blow them up because like you guys signed with you guys on most our sponsors are stuff like G Phelan not like they're not big huge now too but like we grew with GPO Burger King we did a thing with them too is like all we care about like we have our fans that we know we just WanNa make sure that they're happy with us and we're doing cool when it comes to east sports we know we'll figure it out the price people like people like me I got added Tommy added me to escape the fee skype chat at the time and just said Hey wanna join and I was like yes that was it is our brand so strong now that like whenever there's you know the best Gamer like whatever games coming up they want to join phase so it's dope because we're like all right like we have possible but high sky for example we he's another funny story because someone found him in then like it was like you always you talk to him so bull it's my favorite thing here to dubs for example he he did an interview on like CNN and he's like yeah I had a bunch of offers from like different things but I would just waiting for phase all that stuff but even con even youtubers like we might surprise people still but usually it's kind of it's kind of hard now you gotta you gotta reach out start talking to them on us too because we're like a startup they come from these big companies but when they see that they're like okay we see you guys are really passionate about why you don't want to do certain things and why you're so cost you know that's all it is crew change social media's to phase apex instead of just whatever apex you know so for like four five six years that's all we did even up until like they're doing I just think everyone's just doing through doing random shit just kind of looking at it did it work and you know us that's why what school does yeah I know what I'm talking about when I see someone I know that he comes into phase it's over he's GonNa blow up to sway was one of them and the guy didn't believe me one of our Darren Shadow Darren here at he knows joins and you listen to what I'm GonNa like what I say I promise he did he got a million followers in three months he he joined any blew up high sky was different okay so I would get yelled at from like some of this dude all right like school we get it that they're going to be awesome but we make sure we gotta we gotTa make sure we go through the right legal process and you know because now couple of months ago like okay so basically for the history of phase we would just be like hey you wanna join phase and like that's how I would who people just ask them because everybody wanted to join lead talk to his dad me and the Co we talked to his dad and his as a Kia he's got a couple other offers from other orbs and you guys aren't really you know back we don't we pay our pros and stuff but you know when when it's just a youtuber you're not gonna like you know joining as used to be like anyb- everyone askham yen it's now this contracts and everything you know with its contract people in like it's a full business now like we can't mess up you know who have to be a straightest for life do I love the he so good yeah yeah so obviously earlier you talked about high wasn't he just didn't not he didn't believe what we're saying he just didn't understand the scene right and then one day he was streaming high sky he had like six hundred viewers and Oh hundred which is nothing oh okay once again that's that's a lot of money but the kid has a lot of potential on call duty and now he's got to be you know the best eastwards in this so much potential in the grossest thing is like how how earlier like I knew it was going to happen that's the thing to him and sway have you guys know swayed to those to those that was when I first started coming to the office in House talking on the staff I'm just I was like in my head I was freaking out like Oh my God you got your pass up on phase for this you like he didn't had no clue and I was like okay okay I get it like we're not even because I don't think he owes me he's GonNa Wear Face Way Jersey for the rest for a full week we prom he shook my hand back in the day but I'm like just wait you'll have a million followers on instagram in three months if he announced him after all the contracts went through and we just blew him up leg he he exploded but the Rodeo drive yeah banks took him like overnight basically if they have the skill they they have opportunity at league like three hundred thousand

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722: What Matters Most in a Difficult Conversation | Q&A w/ Andrea J. Lee

The Art of Charm

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722: What Matters Most in a Difficult Conversation | Q&A w/ Andrea J. Lee

"Oh, so I was thinking, is this from one of your weekly Facebook live events do with our alumni in our private group kind of, but it's really not so random. All right, Johnny laid on me. I was looking through the Rosser guys coming through boot camp this week and they're coming in from all over. Yeah, I saw that two guys from Dallas, Philly, Atlanta, San Francisco, two guys from Canada, and even one from Melbourne, Australia. We've always attracted students from all over the world because there really is nowhere else to learn what we teach. So true because the skills we teach our for more than just dating and relationships, the guys that come through apply them to business, making more friends and networking, which often leads to more opportunities and more money. Quite frankly, I've seen so many of the guys leave our program, go home and keep working on these things. Then of getting a gauge, get a promotion or how even start their own businesses that seems to be. Al goes Johnny and you don't meet. I'm going back to the science on this one. The reason our bootcamp delivers for so many guys. And now the ladies to is because it's based on proven social science strategies that you put into practice when you're with us in LA and it's the practice and on the spot feedback that really changes things. So if you're ready for some change, if you want to improve your social skills to get better at relationships or at business, go to the Arte charm dot com slash bootcamp. Now, you'll see an overview of the program and even hear about my own personal struggle with social anxiety. Again, that's the art of charm dot com slash bootcamp to find out more details. Welcome the charm podcast. I'm AJ and I'm Johnny, and we're glad you joined us on our weekly podcast. We show over a decade of coaching experience to teach you the social skills you didn't get in school. If you're new to the podcast, welcome. We run in person training programs in Los Angeles that focus on improving your social skills. We work with thousands of clients from all over the world, and we want to share the most valuable parts of that training with you here on this show and each episode of our chime, we bring you the practical tips and strategies to make you feel more confident in any situation, whether it's a day job or Lord social gathering, like a networking event you're anxious about or even that holiday party each month. We cover a theme directly from our boot camp to help you strengthen your social skills. We spent last month teaching, you Hotta make conversation more compelling and this month we're learning all about emotional bids. Right? And AJ what is in the most general bid? Basically emotional. Bid is any attempt from one partner to another for attention, affirmation affection or any kind of positive connection an all month. We've been asking you to submit your questions about emotional biz because we wanna know what you're struggling with. We covered a lot in the last three episodes this month, but getting good at identifying emotional bids and then responded them effectively isn't something we learn overnight, which is why we believe in dedicating an entire episode each month to your questions, and it's something we really love doing because answering your questions is a big part of the learning process. Our clients experiencing our boot camps. So today we're going to answer some of your questions and joining us to help is Andrea Jay Lee, an accomplished coach, a successful author, and a domestic abuse activists, be sure to listen out for Andrew as personal stories about overcoming social anxiety and uncomfortable hurdles. She had to pass an order to become a coach and definitely tune in for Andrea simple model for how to affectively make big changes in your own life. It's a process. She calls the delta model. Andrew algebra shows some great mantras and how to turn the most challenging moments in your life and teachable moments. That's right. She has some great phrases that just stick in the back of your mind. Easy to grab. You're not having a great day. We're really excited for you. Join us on this show and can't wait to talk with Andrea j Lee. So let's get started. So it is the last week of our emotional bid month, very happy to be wrapping this topic, and we have some questions. We're going to be tackling a little bit later in the show from our audience around emotional bids and general topics as well. We're excited today to be sitting with Andrew Lee, an accomplished coach, mentor, author, and most recently, a strong voice against domestic abuse, having experienced abuse from both ends of the spectrum, both as the victim and the perpetrator. She has some unique insights to offer our audience what it takes to stop abuse, redeem yourself, and rebuild those fractured relationships. We're going to be delving into that as well as how emotional bids come into play and drawing boundaries, of course, is a big topic. We're gonna delve into. I'd love to hear I a little bit of the backstory behind where we are today. So obviously, having been abused and then turned into someone who was abusing someone else. How did you come to that realization that. Things were not working in your life in this area. You know, it's actually a really powerful moment love to share a little bit of detail on, because here's the thing that I know about abuse it's happening around us. We don't even really realize it. There can't be this many people who are experiencing tough conversations, toxic relationships without there being someone behaving badly in that, right? So it's actually an every day thing and not something that most of us think about which is part of the problem. So if I may, I'd love to tell you about a time when my younger brother, his name was Edward who's actually legally blind. He was sitting on his bed at home, picked her with his glasses strapped his face with the, you know, the big thick strap, his fingerprints all over his lenses. You know, you can pick your him to sitting there on his bed. My dad was nearby in my dad is a workaholic how many of us can relate to be really into our work, but also. So very angry person. He was looking at my brother Eddie with this like disbelief on his face. And when he when he said something, his voice was like cold and hot. At the same time, he went to hit them. Okay. In that that was my defining moment in this Eichel of bad behavior. I on froze. And instead of doing nothing, I hit my dad instead, I hit him instead. And the reason I share this is I think, and you know, you guys tell me I've been told it's a very relatable moment in defense of someone you care about in defense of something something or a situation that isn't optimal. It's like a person in a less powerful place. I became the aggressor. I got my first taste of power in the form of aggression, and that's really the doorway through it. I stepped in. Started to become emotionally abusive my relationships and would so fascinating. I feel like with that story is we often don't realize how being abused can lead to us abusing later in life, and this gets imprinted on us in our youth. That's the way that I felt I could interact. Right? You're you're given tools that you're giving and those tools may not always be the best tools as much as our parents loved ones try to support us, and it's fascinating that you came to the realization of breaking the cycle and then speaking openly about it. I feel like a lot of us who've been the victim of abuse one may not even know we are the victim because it may just be our definition of normal and two. We may not realize that now we're perpetrating it on others, right? And for those people who are sitting that position who maybe are now having a realization that they are the victim and maybe they've been. Perpetrator, what can you say to them to break the cycle of abuse? Well, I just briefly what what is this thing we call abuse so that we have a little bit of a container for it. Emotional abuse in particular, is any behavior that creates lasting harm, particularly on the wellbeing of the person. So the self esteem, the sense of worth. That is the general broad category of abuse. Obviously, there's a huge spectrum of that, but lasting harm to the wellbeing of the individual is the definition I like to use. So how do you, how do you break the cycle? I mean, that's such a moral question. Actually, I think that you guys here at art of charm, everything you do here actually is an answer to that. So every single podcast, every single boot, the social interactions and all of that confidence building goes toward a more peaceful abuse free world. But if I were to give you one. Unspecific thing that is maybe actionable. It would be from a book called the power of the positive. No. And it's by Dr. William Yuri in what he talks about is essentially the topic of boundaries. It's applicable in corporations, it's applicable in families. It's applicable in bands rock bands or probably a really great place to learn how to say yes, knows looking at you, Johnny. So learning to say no, so that your yes is real is the key skill set to help defuse abusive or toxic behavior in relationship? I think one of the things you had mentioned earlier is a lot of us don't know when that's happening to us, or perhaps the our definition of it is different. So to get to the realization that I am somebody who is sustaining damage, and I would also think that if your definition. Is vague than and you don't stop it that it's going to continue to you the rest of your life because you'll be those relationships will be the normal and the you will seek those relationships out. So to get to a point where the tough decision and the the hard honesty with yourself away, I'm in an abusive relationship. I seek these out. There is a pattern. That's such point, and it's very true. I know for me. The way that I was raised started with physical abuse. My parents were separated by mom was the physical abuser, but my dad through the physical abuse that my mom put him through e became verbal abuser. And a lot of times his anger overwhelmed both me and my sister. And then as I grew up, that was normal to me. I didn't even realize until the courts stepped in and basically said, your mom is unfit to be your mother. So that was jarring as good. All right, to hear that and that tough conversation for you of realizing that you were a perpetrator. What was the Genesis around that. Well, I tell this story not very offense. This is probably the first place that that it would tell this in this intimate setting. So you know, the police came to the door of the apartment. My husband and I were living in at the time and someone neighbor in that -partment complex had called the police because they thought I had been being beaten by my husband and that's Capri, farther from the truth. My husband is like the most upright loving Mench of a man that there is, and it was me in fact, slamming doors and having a big rage full episode that had created the noise at sounded like I was being beaten, but I wasn't. And then the police, what was the last offer me? Honestly, maybe you guys can relate is that the police looked at my, my husband as if he had been beating me and it was those is. Of accusation that pierced through my consciousness. The unjustness of that accusation was what woke me up. It was that dark night of the soul like this ain't okay. I need to be responsible. I have to be the one to draw the line in change. Right? And I think for me, the realization through that blog article and and then thinking and reflecting on past behaviors and seeing the pattern of my dad's anger started verbally at first, but then the the reinforcement was the silent treatment after, right? So it'd be an outburst of anger and then withdraw, and that became my way of dealing with my emotions, and it just became easier to withdraw. And and as I started to realize my past behaviors. I started to think about how the pain that was being caused on both sides. Right? So this cycle effects a lot more people than we're willing to admit. I think there's also a lot of confusion wrapped up in that abuse where it's through the the right lens. It could almost be seen as the strong passion that this other person has for me. My earliest relationships was with a girl who who had a bit of a temper, and my friends and I, we used to say that her favorite thing to do was to get drunk and break my stuff. And of course, everyone else around me is like, she's crazy. What are you doing? And I'm like, I'm thinking we're in this very passionate relationship. This is this Adly love with me. Love. This is how much she loves me, right? And I don't know where that confusion was, maybe because my because of the chemicals are going on and be of my interest in her, and I apologize I couldn't help it smell. When you mentioned that the cops came to the door with prompted this story, which was I didn't realize that I was in this mess until the neighbor girl's came over to the house, and they're like, listen, you seem like a really nice boy, but you have to get away from this girl. I we can't take it anymore. 'cause they were just hearing all the screaming and hollering and clay. You know, she get drunk and getting her car and do donuts in the yard. And I'm like, she loves me as great. I guess when you're young like that, it's it can easily. It can be confusing like that. And I also feel like it's it's always easier. Third party. Right, right. Easier. Friends. If people around, you'd be like that. No, Blaine l. when you're in it, it feels real and it's triggering a lot of different emotions and those strong emotions work both ways, right? Anger and love can feel the same in those moments like she's incredibly passionate for me, which I didn't understand was how abuse of the relationship that she had grown up in was. And of course she carried that ours and I guess you don't like the see people that you love or so interested in care about as messed up. Right, right. That's a hard thing to accept and certainly was for me, that was like the first real relationship that had been. It was really hard to. That I think one of the things I would add to that great 'lustration is society really isn't our friend on this topic. When you think about the number of movies that show women and men all of us humanity behaving badly, and we laugh at it, we celebrate it. We share it. We're like the frog in the boiling water as far as abusive behaviors, concerned that the only explanation for how leaders in all sectors of our world are getting away with us really, or horrible behavior to go along with that. I have to agree with you one hundred percent because I saw a relationship as we were sitting Mansi looked very turbulent out of control. We're always drug. It was the romanticized to the hilt. Of course, the neighbor girl's like now this is awful. Do good for the neighbor girl's. I love you neighbor girls out of their. Thanks for being something to Johnny 'gas. Yeah, it can be different. And with that, right, the glamorization of the resolution at the end, right? The movie, it happens and either laugh at it or they get back together and there's a nice tidy resolution. But in most cases with abuse, it's not tidy ending. It's it's not a resolution that we want. And our listeners probably to visit emotional bid month, why are we talking about this? And and we were talking yesterday about this that fine line right when when people are giving emotional bids, as we talked about with Michael Sorenson, there are positive and there are negative emotional bids. And sometimes people will resort to negative emotional bids, angry outbursts, wind, their positive bids have been turned away from well to go along with that, how neglect plays a role and sustained damage that as hurts that's stays on. And so we'll be discussing that as well. Obviously, being coach working with clients over the last twenty years. I wonder in your experience, obviously you're now bringing. To light these abusive stories sharing with our audience night. Thank you for that. How many of us have been through the abuse cycle realize that were wrong and then seek out mentorship, seek out coaching, and in your situation, was coaching and working on yourself, improving yourself, apart of breaking that abuse? Eichel. One hundred percent is in a big enough answer, but you know how it's like you don't say hundred one percent because that doesn't exist. But yes, I mean, I mentioned it earlier, but you're the work that you do at art of chime. For example, I used to be painfully shy, painfully socially awkward could not say a peep to anybody in public like person. So investing in myself, whether it be through great books or programs or in percent gatherings with people who are focused intently on the better version of ourselves without that, I would never be able to sit in front of you and say. You know, now we have a relationship. That's really it's a model for how to get beyond because here's the good news Jim on here the good news beyond that abusive relationship is the wonderful passionate relationship, but passionate in a good way when you've converted that anger energy into wonderful passion energy. The happily ever after is I think better in some ways than if you've never experienced this kind of struggle. And I feel like there are many coaches and mentors out there who have come from broken backgrounds, work through themselves, and now want to share this and unlocked this potential and other people. I think it's very easy for a lot of listeners, and a lot of people to assume that the coach has a sterling background. The has they've had it figured out their entire lives in large part. A lot of times these moments, these critical moments in our life and. Inspire us enough, not only to change, but then impact other people to help them change in break the cycle. Would you prefer to go sailing with someone who's never been in a storm or go with someone who's been through every storm imaginable? See six, probably. But definitely an experienced captain who's been through some storms. And honestly, the analogy I liked us, I like to food analogy is because my husband's a chef, I love very blessed us how many of you enjoy odors, you know, just a plate of oysters. You know that sometimes when an oyster gets a piece of grit inside it like that thorn in your foot when you're hiking, the oyster creates a Pearl out of that grit. So if the grid is whatever struggle that you have in your life, whether it be, you know, inability to understand emotional bidding quite yet or inability to socialize well or inability to get that promotion. That piece of grit is what starts the Pearl. In fact, I feel sorry for the doesn't get a grit, the it never gets experience a Pearl. So I like to put that idea on it. 'cause you know, when we talk about these things can feel very tough like will crack. Thanks a lot. Now, I'm aware. Right. And a lot of times when you're in it, you don't think there's going to be a better side to it. Right? You only see what's before your nose. And I think it's important to be vulnerable and be honest about our background so that those listening who are going through it can see the silver lining, see the other side or at least the an opportunity to break the cycle in and remove themselves from the situation. I feel like particularly maybe for our women listeners, but certainly for everyone that we have a collective fear of being vulnerable as you say AJ and it actually is a doorway. It's such a doorway to a Dory to everything we want. You talk a lot about it in your past episodes yen. I feel like the more that I've opened up about my past as difficult as it's been over the years, whether it's with friends or family, or even with the audience, the deeper, the connection that I've. Able to forge has been, and we talk about emotional bids as the start of that connection. It's it's what we need to pay attention to the other person offering a little bit of owner ability, whether, hey, come check this out or, hey, I'm struggling need your help need this attention. I feel that that Volmer ability that comes through the other side of not only dealing with the issues, but being open enough to share the issues creates a much deeper connection allows other people to see you as more whole. Obviously, in the social media world, everyone wants to project the most perfect version of themselves. And we, we laugh about how many photos we delete before we post that one that we like. But these are those critical moments in my life that have made me stronger individual that have driven me and motivated me to push beyond my limits emotionally mentally, physically, so that I can get to the other side. And I think a lot of this breaking the cycle is also around having a tough conversation, and many of us are. Too afraid to have the difficult conversations with our abuser. We are terrified of stepping into that unknown because we don't want to rock the boat and you are an expert in tough conversations having gone through this. So in those moments where you're feeling fear in you, you know that something is wrong and you want to say something, but you just can't bring yourself to it. What some advice that you'd give to our listeners who now maybe are recognizing some of these patterns themselves. Having heard us share and just don't know where to begin to break that cycle. I am of the belief that it is really important to have this conversation with yourself. I, it's the rehearsal. Before having the conversation with the actual human being, you might be thinking of internal emotional bids. I like to think of them as like I'm having my own bid for my own attention for my own conversation Hulo. How about that? So the model for tough conversations that I like to use that I have coached and taught for a number of years I call it. The delta model at delta is like it's a nice triangle shape. So I I like the name. So there's three points that the delta model for conversations and super simple, super easy to remember. Really, it can be used in almost. I can't think of a circumstance where you can't use it and you can use it for yourself. So where am I now? That's the first question on the three. Where am I? Now, you know what listening today? Maybe you have some statements now that are along the lines of crap. I realize something about one of my relationships, deep breath. This is making. Me a little, you know, whatever it is freaked out or concerned or woah, hang hang on a minute and and whatever other stream of consciousness you can come up with the answer to where am I? Now that's the beginning of the tough conversation. 'cause you know, just like with the DP s you can't get anywhere unless you know where you are. So where am I now is the first question. The second question is, where do you wanna go? The GPS model actually fits it. Where do you wanna go? All right. In this moment, if you're realizing you're having a tough relationship, where would you like to be? Oh, maybe I'd like to have a conversation with this person that went well. Maybe I'd like to be out of this relationship. Maybe I don't know, but I'd like to have clarity about where liked to go. Maybe I'm confused about it. Those are all desires for a place you're not so where where would you like to go second question in this model for having tough conversations in the third and final question is, okay. I know. I am. I know I wanna go, how do I get there? Right? How do I get there in? That's a big conversation. There's lots of ways like again through coaching or mentoring, or speaking with a colleague or a new friend, whatever it is. There's a lot of work entailed in the answer to number three. But hopefully if you have this three point conversation with yourself, you'll start to gain an awareness of how to have that conversation with the person you have in mind, ROY, and I feel that it takes self reflection. I right. You can't figure out where you wanna go. If you have no idea of what the starting points and looking internally for me was a big first step, getting that information realizing, whoa. Okay. I thought internally that I was behaving certain way now I realize I wasn't. Okay. What are the. In other moments that have been critical that I may have been mistreating. Others may have been abusing the people that I cared about and this delves now into that boundary conversation. Right. And for me, one of the most impactful conversations I had were a boundary was being drawn was with someone stating said, I don't feel loved when you treat me this way. And it was jarring to hear that obviously because you love care about this person, but it is about being firm in what you need a human to feel loved supported needed versus the behavior that's being exhibited from the other person that isn't checking those boxes for you. Yeah, I think what you're pointing to is is really helpful when we're in a conversation. The thing to remember is there's more than one of you. So if you use the delta model to get clear like you did right AJ where you are in an ideal scenario, the other person person be, let's call them is doing the same. Okay. That's not always the case. That's why we get into trouble if that's like it. Maybe you could have them listen to this podcast. But then if both person a and person b. have done that sorting out, then the conversation is gonna go much better. Then we can have those same three questions apply to the two of you. Where are we? Now, where do we wanna go and how are we going to get there? A lot of the mess that happens in conversation happens because those things aren't covered. One person hasn't gotten themselves clear or both. And then together they have an ask those same questions, ROY, and a lot of times in that situation, one party will be the one who gets those boxes checked in the other party. Just kind of takes agreement with it, but they aren't as prepared for that conversation. Yes. And you know where boundaries comes in is yes is said without boundaries. And my opinion is just appeasement. That's just a piece -ment. Right. And knows. Said without compassion is just outright warfare, sometimes conversation. So we actually need to talk about the relationship between yeses knows when it comes to batteries. I feel a lot of times when the boundary is drawn both sides actually feel some relief because it adds clarity. Yes. So in this situation, we're gonna talk about one of the questions a little later here that Michael brought up about emotional bids and being too needy and and feeling like you're constantly agreeable most times the other person sitting across from you doesn't even realize that they crossed. They didn't even realize that there was a boundary in that they were hurting you. They are impacting in a negative way and that conversation is difficult as it may feel to you not having set boundaries allows both parties to feel some level of comfort. It clarifies things in a way that can meaningfully move the relationship forward. I mean, I think that if both parties are there because they generally care about each other, that should be easy. If if that isn't the case in somebody's there to to get something from the other person or use that other person than. Find that out as well. And of course, that's a converse separate conversation, but also you'll be moving to, you'll be going to a different place as she were saying, yeah, this is a chance I'd like to point out to be a hero in your life because most of us are complacent kind of running around going. I'm having bad conversations and toxic relationships, and hopefully that's not you, you're, you're listening. So you are already taking positive action. We love that about you, but if you are willing to actually go into this and say, look, I I heard about this way of having conversations with three questions. Would you be willing to go through them with me and see if we can have better conversations going forward? You know what? I give you the boy scout or girl scout badge right away for being a leader. One conversation at a time, it really becomes infectious your role modeling for the people around you, whether you have kids, or you have nephews or brothers and sisters, parents, you can learn. Learn to have a better conversation. And to me, that's the biggest like superhero role. You could play in your life and there's two frames going on there that I really enjoyed the first is that your not coming in and saying, do this do that you're using questions and questions allow both of you to reach the conclusion together. The second thing is you're not coming in as the expert just because you read something from someone else. You're actually crediting them saying, hey, look at these three questions I found from so and so versus coming in and making demands of the other person. And when you set both of those frames, it allows both parties to participate more freely when you start making acusations or making demands or pushing on the other person. Oftentimes you're just gonna. Find them retreat and resolution is nowhere to be seen. I love how you put that. In fact, I would just take a moment to highlight that really what we're describing right now is in fact, what I think of as the essence of coaching is to lead with. Questions, take a coaching approached your relationships in your life instead of telling instead of dictating set of demanding when you get into a right coaching relationship. This is what happens is that everybody gets to let their guard down, feel safe in like they belong that their voice will matter in then together. You got to move forward in all the years that I've had of coaching, whether it was from athletics to business coaching relationship coaching. I've found that win questions are used and your interrogated and given a platform to explain yourself. That's when the breakthroughs actually occur. It's our favorite thing to do in class. We ask a lot of questions allow everyone else to fill in his answers, so then they can determine exactly where they're at. It's it's an amazing thing and it's more impactful because when the person being coached reaches the conclusion through answering the questions, they feel empowered to take action versus the coach telling someone here follow this formula do specifically this, oftentimes they'll stop. Step one step two because they don't have any passion behind that action. They're, they're being dictated to a lot of times. It's more passive. If we can ask the right questions, we can unlock your potential. And that's what the best coaches do. Ask yourself. In fact, in this moment, ha ha. What I did there ask yourself where in your life, you could up level the culture of your every day experience. How could you up level? So they're more questions in each of those segments. Where could you get more questions about your relationships? Well, here art chime, great. Where Jill have better questions about your career. Where could you up level the questions you're asking about your financial wellbeing and then no, this, no, that you yourself. Have the power to do that up leveling by asking yourself more questions, asking the delta model questions. It's such a simple intervention. Anybody can do it any day anytime. It's a great. Level. And my favorite question is why I find that so many of us were creatures of habit and we build up these habits, routines and patterns oftentimes without even thinking through them, whether we passively absorb them from our family members or from the workplace. And I know even in the business coaching that we're getting currently, my coach Matt will ask, why are you doing it that way? And then I stopped to think, and I go, I don't know girl. No, so wonderful thing to to get to that point as well because also these things they get hardened and compound over time. So a question like that like, well, it's what we've always thought, okay, we'll great, but it who started this right? And then you start to think about it and he's like, well, okay, we'll were they marketing expert. Let's say. Well, no, they were just one of our staff members and idea are doing it. Okay, we'll have the results been impactful. You know, I, I don't know. And when you start hearing, I don't know as a coach that's when the Magic's happening because now you start to make real realizations in your life and you can change these patterns. And I think that's the most impounding. You don't have to be a slave to these patterns, and also we're living in a world today where those asking an answering those questions is is a difficult thing because you might not like what the answer is at. So because an and we had it his difficult conversations, difficult questions, how many people today the minute they get uncomfortable automatically pick up the phone and go to Facebook, so they don't have to deal with having the have that where some of us wants that question, it's popped up, can't do anything. But answer that question like a dog with a bone. I mean, one of my favorite things to us in coaching is a little saying in that is learning is what happens only when we don't know what to do if you know what to do, you have you're not learning something. So the comfort with discomfort that Johnny you're referring to is again, another leadership skill and being able to be patient through that not knowing is I think a sign of mature nervous system. Okay. Someone who isn't reflexively you know, knocking this beautiful art of try mog off the table, you know, doing donuts in the car, whatever it is so celebrate. If you can not knowing with the understanding that that's when you're learning something new that's going to break out of your your habitual groups. And I feel the other. Other common thread that we both get in here as coaches is how to be more authentic. And a lot of times we have these patterns running and we have this agreeable nece about us, and we want people to like us and it leads us down a path of in authenticity. How can our listeners become more offensive now that they've realized some of these things about themselves to present themselves in a way that allows them to actually feel more comfortable as well? Right? Because authenticity leads to a lot of the anxiety that we're all feeling my personal experience with authentic city. There's so much that can be said, but something slightly different. I hope is that it's just a question of practice. It's just about rehearsing being scented. So let's say you have a new truth about yourself that you know because of what we're talking about. I talk about it to yourself, practice it. So for me, it was, hey, Andrea, you know, you've an anger. Issue. You know, that's that's really heartbreaking to admit and say to myself, but what a relief to tell the radical truth about it. I myself that's often Tissot to myself again, let's talk about these things from the roots, right? The tree bears fruit based on the health of the routes. So this off entity that we're speaking of, I would really encourage you to think about it as practice with yourself, whether it's when you look in the mirror and you putting moose in your hair, right, Johnny. And you say, you know. Very technical term. With the whole LA scene in hair products. He clearly. Up where I live in the country. We just kind of like, okay, I have hair today really notice, but yet creating a new habit for yourself. Really to tell the truth to yourself. I like to piggyback on habit change science, which says that when you're wanting to create a new habit, the best way to do it is to hook it to something that you're already doing a habit. So maybe hopefully you're rushing your teeth every day. Let's say. So that might be a great time to try and tell the truth about yourself in some new way so that you're practicing this authentically muscle rut. I know one of the things that we've talked about previously is allowing those moments that are routine already to be the springboard for other routines. Perfect. And when it comes to my morning routine, it started off as just that brushing my teeth, but now it's a little more complicated. We knocked out six and a half miles this morning. Never would have thought that'd be part of my morning routine, but now working out is a big part of the routine and creating the space for this to happen to. I think another big problem with being in authentic is that we don't create the space for that authentic to actually blossom we run away from it. We duck it these tough questions, asking yourself. I'll do that tomorrow. I'll do that next week. I got something else. It's so easy to find ipad. The phone do something that is a lot less painful. But when we start to ask ourselves simple questions, why am I doing this? Why am I getting so upset by this? The answer that we find is one reflective but to clarifying for the next step of growth. Exactly. You can take action from that place in a much more powerful place along with authenticity comes confidence and being more self assured. And I know a lot of our audience is struggling with that, especially in the workplace, the feel that their career demands this level of self-assured, nece in confidence, but they don't feel it internally. And I know personally, I had moments of imposter syndrome even and I'd love to hear your coaching perspective for our audience that is struggling with some confidence in their career and how can they work to overcome that lack of confidence that lack. Of self-assured nece to become more impactful in the workplace. When the coaching techniques that I like the most for this particular topic is something I call transferring excellence. And this has been studied actually within the domestic violence world, but also in the leadership studies world. And all it is is to look for a place in your life that you have even the tiniest speck of confidence. I think of it as bread, crumb of confidence. Maybe when I think back the cute little nerdy Asian girl that I was, you know, I was kinda confident at writing like I wrote my diary at first. It was because my dad made me, but then you know, like I started to enjoy writing my diary and you know, I can't tell you that at that time I was so self aware that was like, oh, I'm confident in my IRA. So I do, you know, that's not how it went down. But you know, now a days when I'm looking for more competences, I go out into bigger arenas for my own thought leadership in my own new work, bigger arenas and bigger stages. I have to go back to these little red crumbs where I can touch that confidence in what the science says is that if you go there, you and you have that you can connect that you can transfer that to through the power of mindfulness through all of those good visualization techniques to the new arena. You want to find confidence in. I love that of getting a little momentum going in the right direction off of these things that were already doing and enjoying can lead to further confidence. Yeah, each breadcrumbs I like to say again, another food analogy, breadcrumbs bread, crumbs, bread, crumb. All of a sudden you have a crew time. Okay. Putting aside the gluten free issue for right now for your watch. I got to really be aware of place, but like you know, even if it is a gluten free crew on which I am eating gluten free right now, one tonne converts a hall salad eating experience. So one red, criminal time, confidence. Again, you can't think you're way to confidence run. I really think that's an important point. I'm glad it came out of my mouth. It's one of those things where like, oh, I'm gonna read a book about confidence, and you got gotta practice confidence. So we were just chatting about this yesterday and we have an online product that lot of people really enjoy doing it. It's put together to help them work through social anxiety. And of course, a few of the first missions may on their face value, seem simple and even easy. And so we've a few people were like, well, yeah, I haven't done it because, well, that's a really easy thing. So waiting for the harder stuff. And it's like the way the. Fusion's told yourself is so you don't have to phase the uncomfortable as of this mission. And this is exactly why you need to be doing it though. It may be easy in that moment you doing. It is great to add that breadcrumb that experience for the next one. Because when the hard-won those come up more than you're freaking out because you have it work yourself up to that, they'll your confidence before you need it just like with to go out and be like, hey, so, and so I really hope you'll end my book or give me coaching on my new job or whatever it is the day you need it right, build it before you need it or love that. How many times we hear from people who have freaking out. Because all of a sudden they have this new task at work or thrown in some situation and they're just freaking out because they haven't done any of that work because they have been waiting for the big one right here it is. And now you're, you're flailing in your freaking up in a big fan. Factor of confidence is experience, and it's funny you should mention that because it make yourself do anything these comfort zone challenges that you get over seven weeks. They're small, they're easy. They're meant to be not a second job, right? Not aside also, but they're meant to be something you can tackle quickly. But those experience points opened the door to more confidence. And it was funny on the the group call that we had inside the course I was asking what their favorite challenges were and a problem admitted. I didn't do any of the challenges because it seemed to easy. And then one of the participants said, you know, I ended up doing an easy challenge, the high five challenge and I met my girlfriend by doing the high five challenge. I never would have thought that thou led to a conversation and actually when I read it, I thought it was pretty easy. But when you start putting yourself out there in these small ways, bigger moments happen and it's through gaining that experience that you have the confidence to step forward in the. Further arena. I really enjoyed the person who mentioned that they were but nervous about doing it. But then they had also roped their children into doing the challenges as well, and they're doing it as a family and they're now they're having a blast with it. Yeah. Now his sons are running around ask you dad, what's the next comfort zone challenge? I wouldn't do it. I want go talk to this person as incredibly beautiful. I actually have an example, can I share of young mom who I used to coach who with having a lot of trouble with her business, and we were trying to get this point through this exact point. We're giving coaching gold from these these calls and she had a new baby and she was watching this baby and its development. And of course, as any mom, right? Any of you mom's listening can can attest. It's like there's so much learning from your child's development and to the point where making here when you look the baby's development. You'll notice that what they're doing is bread crumb oriented. They're moving a hand. They're moving the forearm in. Then they're moving elbow and then in doing it again and they're doing it over and over again until one day they've flipped over and they're on their back or they've crawled a step, these bread, crumb ideas. This challenge that you guys replicate to such great effect are at the very core of how humans develop biologically, this is how it works. 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How do we move beyond or pass when we realized that we've heard people and maybe even abused people in our lives. We have to choose I, the decision, it's not a process. It's a decision you say, I want to be a different person. So that's the beginning in there's lots that could be said about that choice point. But for today, I think what's really nice about how our conversation. Shen has progressed is you know, how did I as someone who was being really got awful to my husband over prolonged periods of time, how did I redeem myself for him and for our relationship, but most importantly for me. Okay. So if you've missed behaved and you know you're looking in the mirror in this moment. No, that I have been in your shoes in the way that this happens is you decide it's not okay with you. And then one day at a time, one interaction at a time you fulfill your own expectation of who you want to be. So if I wanted to be a non angry person, if I set myself a big goal at first, I wanted to be the wife that my my husband bragged about, like when you guys go to the bar and you're talking about your girlfriend or your wives, and you know, there's all sorts of stuff that gets said, you know, same for women right when we get together to get our pedicure or, or are we go, you know, play baseball or whatever it is where. Where we're talking about are the men and women in our lives. I wanted to be the wife that breaked about, so I set that as a frame. And then I started to do something very practical that was like an anger and emotional resilience diary, keep track of what when anger, what happened or I would get angry right? And in so doing create for myself, an awareness of the conditions in which I was not getting emotionally abusive. So I would start to notice when the circumstances were supporting me, whether it be, I had my coaching session that day that week, I attended a retreat that month, whatever it was day by day. I fulfilled the promise to myself to stop being that previous person in my past, and I rebuilt my trust with myself in that way. I love that. I feel that it's easy to. Take small steps and and note them and track them. I know it's something that we talk about journaling is part of the process to allowing yourself to take account of. Did I make the change today even if it was slight. Did I consciously choose something? And we see this all the time. We were just a Chicago with our alumni, and it's always fun to hang out our alumni after the program and catch up some of them we hadn't seen in years because we remember so crystal clear that Tuesday when we started class and who they were on that Tuesday and their social anxiety, the fear that they were feeling around, what am I going to do? How gonna go out? I've never gone out and socialize before. It makes me uncomfortable to where they are now where it started on the boot camp, a conscious decision. I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna get a couple high fives. I'm gonna consciously. Make sure that I'm approaching. I'm gonna consciously, make sure that I'm setting myself up for. Bess to this past week in Chicago, we're looking around and they're run around talk and everyone and it's completely unconscious to them. Now it starts with conscious action, builds the habit. That leads to unconscious action. You don't even think about it anymore. And when we can denote these little steps, consciously we can start to pick up some small wins that become big wins in it's funny, we asked them at the weekend, so I don't remember you acting this on bootcamp. How does it feel now that you're so social? Like I don't even realize it because it was once again, started small and work that's way up and now at sow habit, and it's part of just who they are as a person. I wanna make a Seinfeld reference that uncall- or is that okay? So I'd filled still cool. He had an episode. Maybe our listeners can pinpoint which episode it was, but he was called, don't break the chain if you guys remember, and it was it speaks exactly to this like game finding our lives that if I could create a whole week at first, it was just like, give me please a week of proving to myself that I can be someone trustworthy around motions in anger. Can you play for a month? Can you play for a year? At this point, I'm playing for years years upon years of good expression of emotion and anger, and I'm so grateful for everything that supported me to bring me today and the relationship with my husband, but try to play the game, don't break the chain. Just like Jerry Seinfeld said he led Jerry Seinfeld beer coach for a day. How many times can you Mark a check Mark on the calendar that says, I achieved that IT that chief that I love. Let's dig into some listener. Yes, yes. Here we got some great ones. The first one here Joel wants to know how do you deal with breathlessness in situations that have caused you to be anxious? For example, in challenging social situations where you're eager to give off a good impression, how do you deal with that? Breathless anxiety. I think we've already answered it through this podcast, which is, you know, it's a taking steps early to slowly work yourself there. How are you going to get through something like this? If you've never been in this situation and you have to give yourself room to be terrible at it, and that that is okay because it's the first time that you've played yourself that has out how to get yourself out of trouble. She never been there before and breaking the chain helps with those things of showing opportunities were in that situation. You've worked through it and journaling. Well, it wasn't as bad as last time I'm slowly getting better and being able to celebrate what we call small victories and help in those. And I completely agree with the baby step concept we talked about earlier as well. These moments of breathlessness are us throwing ourselves to the wolves, right? We're jumping in the deep end and a lot of times we have done the work prior to set ourselves up for that success. So making it a habit to approach people, not the most intimidating, beautiful woman across the bar or gorgeous guy, but making it a habit to be more social. And one of the first things that we talk about is will be social with the people who are paid to enter tain you the staff, the barista. Those are small wins that over time can work through this exiling. This situation that he's talking about in large part is because he's lack. Being a bit of experience socializing and it happens to all of us. I, I wanna add to that. I was speaking of journaling. I realized the other day there was something that we had to do, and I was frustrated about it and I had analyze, why am I being frustrated in this situation? This should be fun, right? Something new and I realize this one that you as somebody who has to work with, you probably know this really well, but I have no problem walk into the end down as long as I'm willingly and wanting -ly doing it. I hate being forced into the unknown floors, unknown. My first response is the freak out. My first response is to get mad. My first response is whatever I need to do just dealing with the unknown however, that once I wash over, wait a minute here, here's an opportunity to do something new. Okay. What have I done in the past? That may be a reference point for what I'm about to do, and. Seeing how I'm stuck here in the unknown and I'm going to work through this. It's probably not going to go so well, and I'm gonna be awkward and clunky about it. However, I'm going to be better for, so that's okay. But it takes me minute to get there. Sometimes I can easily walk into any unknown situation, wanting lame, willingly just thrown in there that the the freakout happens and I and of course looking at this, I could see this person having to do a presentation for work and not being ready for it, and all of a sudden pulling the freakout. Yeah, Joel and everybody who can relate to this. I mean, I definitely raising my hat I can relate to. This is definitely still get restlessness in one of the things I'd love to offer sort of a counterpoint to everything great has gone before is that, hey, let's employ our bodies in this breath after all is a function of the physical body of the mind. So one of the things that I could offer is. If you don't mind singing or whistling or humming, try that it's a neuroscience thing. Why? Because it causes you to take longer smoother breaths. Can you hear even in my vocal tone, I'm creating that if I were to be breathless right now, I would try to make my voice and my breathing my phrases a little longer. It causes that fighter flight breath to dissipate when you do that, you don't even have to sing outlet. Like if you're, you know, going before the board board of advisors with the presentation burst out in, you know, homo or anything like that, but you could think about singing. Even thinking about seeing has been prevent to slow your breath, slow your heartbeat, let your nervous system drop out of fighter flight. A couldn't agree more. I've gone through public speaking training and one of the first things they had us do because everyone is nervous when they have to get up on stage. It is. Universal is silly. Singing to get our nervous system to calm down to get our breathing right? Because what happens when we get breathless, we deprive the body of what it needs and its oxygen and that fight response comes in and then it becomes even harder to control. So I, I love that tidbit of vice based in science, which we always love as well. Right? And let me tie it in if I may just back to a call back to what we were speaking of earlier, breathlessness actually is sometimes a precursor to emotional outburst. So you know whether you're breathless because the of emotionality or not noticing that taking these longer phrases of breath, reading through your feet, utilizing your meditation habit, whatever version of your deeper longer breathing it is can actually bring you back from angry outbursts. When you know when you're on the brink of that. The last thing I want to say on this is it is okay. Okay. I think a lot of times we assume that we should never feel this way, right? And the goal is to avoid it, but this is to be human. I still get nervous. I still get breathless when I'm presenting, even though I've taken courses done it for years. It is normal. So I just wanna add giving yourself a little forgiveness. I know a lot of perfectionists are listening and we strive for greatness, but it's okay to feel breathless at times as well. It should not be the end goal. Amen. Stephen is asking, I have this friend I'm really connected with and we share very good friendship. However, in her search for support, she can throw a lot of emotional bids and requests for attention more than I can handle. Sometimes how can I deal with this excessive emotional bids? I managed to keep my attention heard a reasonable level, but she keeps asking for more and I don't want to lose the connection with her. Great question around boundaries. Yes. I think this one is a perfect place to remind us that Steven, in your case, you are having an emotional bit of your own within this scenario of your friend bidding for your attention. You're having a reaction that is, hey, I've needs year to a little less. Emotional bidding would be nice as we said earlier, takes stock for yourself. What's going on for yourself? What's where am I? Now I'd like for her to be doing less emotional bidding. Where would you like to, you know, where would you like to go there? I just answered it a now. The only unanswered question is, how are you gonna get what you need. So in this particular case, I am a fan of radical honesty and really having a moment that says, could I talk to you about this concept called emotional bidding? If you have an already talk to her about it, I noticed that you're, you know, you're doing quite a bit of that in. I do it to what is it that we can do to make sure you feel like I'm hearing your bid so that may be it is as frequent or maybe you don't even need to ask for it as frequently that kind of radical honesty. Once again, I think of that as Geraldo IQ leadership conversation and would be one way I'd like to see you try it. I was recently reading an ask Polly article on York magazine. Amy had sent to me and it was around this exact concept right friends mistreating us and we don't wanna lose our friends. And a lot of times when the mistreatment happens, whether it's the need constant need for attention that takes the spotlight away from you or this constant need for your time. And I love the advice from ask Polly, which was be honest about what you need. Because a lot of times our friends don't know what we need. We're living in our own head and we have expectations that we place on people. But they are completely unaware of those expectations. And having an honest conversation with someone is as we said earlier around boundaries is impactful. A gains clarity for both parties in I guarantee you that Stevens friend would enjoy that conversation because they value Stephen as a friend and people to Johnny's point people who care about you. They care about your boundaries too. I know it's difficult in the moment to feel that way and you don't wanna hurt their feelings, but they will feel better knowing how they can support you and how they could be a better front you if they care about you. The flip side is if she negatively reacts to this will I think we can put her in the not friend category. Right? So you gain clarity, one of things that I didn't really wanna go there because I wanted to keep the question on the positive though. I wanted to ask Stephen, ask himself. Hard question here as well. He talks about the have a great connection and a really good friends. I'd like for him to figure out the right down. What is the value that he is getting out of this relationship? My first thought when I saw this was something was off and I, I don't wanna get into that, but I want Stephen task himself that question because as you said, that's gonna fig. That's gonna see right there. We'll where that relationship truly is. Right. And it's not one sided. I'll give you a visual. Think of a mom and her toddler. Okay. Maybe the mamas washing dishes. Maybe the mom is at the computer running her business in the toddler keeps pulling on the the mom's skirt or you know, shirt and keeps pulling like every two minutes it the bid. Okay. This toddler is bidding continuously. Now maybe it's perfectly legitimate. They have a wet diaper or whatever it is in something needs to be done about it, or maybe it's time for the toddler to start understanding. Mommy needs to have some quiet. She's on the phone. So come over here and have a book, and here's a, you know, a sippy Cup or whatever it is. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about growing up our relationship with each other. I'm not saying your friend is a toddler, but you know, it's a visual for us to really realize when we're bidding. We, we have a little bit of that like kid yearning as well absolute. I love. The visual that you just put on that and I, I had never thought of it in that manner. 'cause when we talk about when the guys get stuck in question train and it's the constant, how you doing, do you like that line of work? Do you like living there? How it is pulling on this person? That's a great tugging. Larry wants to know what are some tips we can use to pick up whether someone received our emotional bits. It's easy for me to know I'm sending it, but what are the different ways they show it has been received? So Johnny are wearing a big smile hair. Well, there's a lot I in this question. Oh, I don't even know where to get. So let me just pick something here. I'm guessing that his emotional bids are not being met whilst would you ask this question so that comes to what is the situation of this relationship? It's one of the questions because if they're leaning in will, then we know that they're getting. They're hearing it after the turning away while there's two things going on the either they're preoccupied or they just don't care or or disinterested or does interested. So we have to figure those things out. So those are some non verbal signals right. If they're receiving your emotional bid, non verbally, typically they'll be making eye contact. They'll be leaning in this is you trying to connect. So obviously they're physically going to appear connected you through I contact facing. You may be closeness as well. Then there's the verbal side of it. Right? And what is the emotional bit? We've talked this, it seeking attention approval and acceptance. So ask yourself, are you getting any of those three? Are you getting their attention? Have they appreciated you in that moment that you've offered it up and have they accepted it if it's a negative one right to go along with that are used somebody who is tentative and answering other people's emotional bids because the shore fire way to get the cold shoulder, having people turn away is because you have it contributed. Yeah, that was a bingo bango. Wow. That's such a great comment. I think you know, when you're asking that question, a good place to look is how. How are you receiving emotional bids, and what are you doing to show that person that you have received it road at might be a clue for through the non verbals we talked about or through verbally appreciating them accepting them and giving them your attention. Dan is asking, how do I differentiate between neediness and wanting to share a true connection? And do you recommend to always reply to another person's emotional bids? Especially if someone is being constantly needy boundaries are coming up big in this episode Dr and it's good. I feel like we all use lesson boundaries. I know it's something that I've struggled with as well at select gotten a lot of trouble for because I think I draw hard boundaries that I tend to stick to that kind of rub people the wrong way. Sometimes I certainly know in a work environment we've run into that, yes, you do draw hard hundred. I'm just glad to be that after ten years, you're starting to come to some of these realizations. I've I've, that's been very to gain Johnny's agreement to get into the unknown. Share that with the team now you're aware of it as well. So that's good. That one was a that was a new regulation and the hard boundaries so that when I've always done in your drawing these hard boundaries, Johnny, what are you doing. First of all, it's allowing myself to feel safe in and set up and comfortable. And I think that's a big one right in Dansk questioned. The underlying context is his needs aren't being met, and he feels that he's constantly whether it's through receiving these emotional bids and and helping to always be attentive, appreciative accepting of them that his own personal needs are not being met in these relationships or the start of these relationships. I think one of the things that you could try floating on down is when you ask the question, the coach in me is saying, love the question. What do you mean by a true connection? That is an interesting phrase. I would hazard to guess that probably everybody would have a different answer as everybody's resume is different. So if you would be willing to answer that question a bit, what do I mean when I say true connection. It looks like this. It looks like this much togetherness this much individual individuality this much. You know, whatever it is that's going to really help you understand how to get it until you have that. You're not gonna know. It's like if you don't know where the goal posts are, you can't. You can't shoot on it. Right. I like that. I also just want to add that true connection. I feel is one of those terms that is perfection based. And I've been in relationships where I felt extremely connected and I felt disconnected, and I feel like when we only seek true connection, we don't give us as humans who are not robots yet. Right? We're working on it. Singularity, do not give people the space to be human. If we're only seeking quote unquote, amusing air quotes here, true connection, right? So I would look at your own needs, right when our own needs are certainly not being met or they're being abused, even that is obviously dealbreaker. Then outside of that, look at some of our own behaviors, because oftentimes when we see things and others that bother us, these are behaviors that were exhibiting ourselves. So are you being needed to the people around you in not responding to their emotional bids? And I do love. That reflection around your idea of true connection because what you have is an ideal might be unrealistic. I mean, I have a girlfriend who heard finish in of a true connections to be able to walk around naked with the person all the time. It doesn't matter that's heard finish because the warts and all and it doesn't. You not sucking your belly in not, you know, whatever, whatever. So I think you're right there is a sort of like shiny new feeling to this term true connection. So maybe we could soften that. Maybe we could say, hey, it means that I get to be upset sometimes within reason, hey, maybe it means that I, I don't want to be there for your current emotional bid. This is one of the two out of ten times. I'm not going to be there for the motion been. That could be a true connection. Michael Sorenson his interview with us said exactly that if you know that you can't be present state that Hayes work is kicking my ass right now. I can't give you the time. Space that you need right now, but I want to as a friend and when I get through this, I will be there to be more supportive. Wow. What a relief ride, just saying that I'm feeling a little relieved, so we're putting expectations on the other person and we're placing heavy expectations on ourselves. That being honest can help mitigate. Hey, Johnny. Are you airing your me on these right now? Yep, of course. I am. I always thought me on these was really cool underwear brand with fun, crazy prints, but it wasn't to actually try them on that. I realize, holy crap. They are seriously the most comfortable thing I've ever worn. You really liked the multiple fund prince. They put out each month and the matching socks and brought leads to go with them. Right? Yeah. Who doesn't like wearing matching socks, you can even get matching pair with Amy. I love matching with Amy. Me undies is always using micro modal fabric, which is three times softer than regular Khan. And once he put these bad boys on their so comfortable, you won't wanna take them up and also on his just launched a brand new membership. You can level up your top-drawer with new me on dis each month. That's right. Members gain access to exclusive friends that no one else can get, and they get special member pricing on every product me on these banks and you can switch skylights or even skip a month of you want to get your fifteen percent of your first pair free shipping and one hundred percent. Satisfaction guaranteed go to me on these dot com slash charm. That's me undies dot com. Slash charm, Johnny. You can even match under with me. It's not gonna happen. All right. Yeah. Hey, Johnny. Are you wearing your me on these right now? Yes, of course. I am. I always thought, man, he's a really cool underwear brand with fun, crazy prints, but it wasn't until I actually tried them on that. I realize, holy crap. They are seriously the most comfortable thing I've ever worn. You really liked the multiple fund prince. They put out each month and the matching socks and brawl adds to go with them. Right? Johnny. Hell, yeah, who doesn't like matching socks, you can even get a magic pair with aiming. I love matching with Amy and me on days uses micro modal fabric, which is three times softer than regular cotton. Once you put these bad boys on their so comfortable, you won't wanna take them off and also me he's just launched a brand new membership. You can level up your top-drawer with new me on every month. That's right. Members gain access to exclusive prints that no one else can get. They get special member pricing on every product me on these makes and you can switch styles or skip any month to give fifteen percent of your first pair free shipping and one hundred percent satisfaction guaranteed go to miandi dot com slash charm. That's me undies dot com. Slash Sharm Johnny match your under oath me. That's not gonna happen. 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It can easily blend into your home design and even pairs with any. Amazon, Alexa device who doesn't love that. Go today to SimpliSafe dot com slash eo. See, that's s. I m. p. l. i. safe dot com slash eo. See. Oh, the neat asks, how can I Dennis by emotional bids from texts? Well, first of all. Why is there this? I, I'm just going to assume the positive that maybe it was a long distance in the relationship or they're not able to meet in person because my first thought when I saw that as why are you trying to have a conversation a meaningful conversation overtaxed? If it's at that point, I would say if you can pick up the phone. Because and surly emojis are not going to help. What do you mean? You don't do the Wiki tongue outlook and real life. Johnny. It was. Listen, I I can. You know to something, I heard the other day of how maybe was ten fifteen years ago. Everyone saw emojis as childish behavior on communication through phones. And now it is quintessential. They had any sort of news nuance because everything now is dealt with through tax just pointing that some dealing. But you know, I wonder if Dr Goldman realized that emotional bidding through text and emojis was going to be a thing. We need a new study Dr. Got men get on this. Yeah. Again, I wanna take a step back in and just unpack the definition of emotional bid because I think this is a lack of clarity on what the definition is. It is when one person is expressing to another party that they want their attention appreciation acceptance, yes. Now overtaxed, there are definite ways to have emotional. Bid. I just had this awful day at work. That's an emotional bid. They want you to pick up the phone, meet in person, text back. They want a response versus an emoji. I think we could all agree that's not an emotional bid. It's being a little silly and playful where Johnny I are trying to draw the line here is say, guys, let's try to foster every connection in the digital age. I was laughing. I just had this picture of some guy, Texas some girl at like, you know, one thirty in the morning sup. She has not responded via Boashan bids govern with not like. Oh, man. Refrain from comment. Benita also ask what role does body language play and exhibiting emotional bids? And we kind of impact this a little bit earlier, but exactly that turning towards right in in the definition the doctor talks about turning towards someone means you're physically turning towards them. You are being one hundred percent present? Yes and listen. I start watching this documentary on HBO called swiped, and I do feel bad for younger generations young because the way the dating is working going completely digital in the overwhelm there are with options now and they had a scientist on Hugh is talking about how human nature was not built to have as many options as we currently have. We were not evolved in a way that we would have as many options, right? Human sexuality was were in a tribe and. We may be have you know, twenty thirty partner opportunities, and then we got civilized and we had more opportunities, but you still demeaned in person. Now we're in a situation where you don't have to meet in person at all in literally there's unlimited opportunity in your phone. It's a, it's possible to compute that with for what this brain is trained to do. Right. And I think a lot of times simply meeting in person is the answer here guys trying to force it through tax in a mode. Jeez, and digital is not the way to go about fostering true connection. Fostering real connection. Of course. Patrick asks, how do you respond to emotional bid when you don't really care about the topic? For example, when a friend went on a weekend city trip, and she was excited about the architecture in the food culture, but you don't care about those two things. I have an answer for this one. Asian culture. Some of you might know if you're familiar with Japanese culture that there is a habit. The Japanese speakers have that basically is a soda got a like it's yes. Oh, really like this. And that's the equivalent. It's like, you can actually answer the bid without agreeing with the content. Right? So you knowledge ING. There is the existence of a bid. Don't have to actually agree with what's being said. I couldn't agree more. I feel like there's again a little bit of a misunderstanding around what the emotional bid is. This person sharing this architecture and food culture is not sharing it because they want you to say, you love it too, about. It's a little simpler than we make it out to be. And I think what Patrick is trying to get at is this concept of a we statement that we discuss in boot camp where when someone's giving us an emotional bid, one of the most crystal clear ways to give that person a response, the emotional bid is to make a we statement to take what they're saying and now make it about us instead of just about them. And with this example, simple, we've statement is along the lines of great. Next time we go travelling. You can help me see all the culture that that city has to offer bone. You actually paid attention which is one of the most important steps in responding to emotional bid and gave them appreciation for the fact that they love this stuff. Not that you love this stuff. Not that you have to agree with it, but you shared some appreciation for the fact that they love this stuff. That's all they're looking for, hey, you meant. Boot camp. I heard a vicious. Rumor is the issue. 'cause I really wanna know that you are going to be opening up boot camps to women as well. Now solely on the books books for real. It's not just a vicious, rumor. No cats out of the bag on this podcast there longer rumor because this thing you just talked about about way statements I think is if I reflect back to my personal growth and how to navigate tough conversations and emotional conversations try to step into my emotional leadership. I know a lot of my sisters and friends and you know, all of us, humans really, we could use so much more of that. I tried to make a we statement. And I'm so happy to hear because I've heard so much good about your Kemp's today that I mean, Hallelujah, I wanna know when they are. Thank you and we're religious leaded. Yeah, we have one coming up in October, and we have one coming up in February. And if it goes like gangbusters fingers crossed, we will be offering more opportunities for women to work with us because I know my inbox and Janis inbox is full of women saying, guys, can we take this program even talking about? Can we take boot camp? And we started twelve years ago. We started classically with dating that was our focus is guys, how do we get better with this? Obviously, we have some guys asking questions around how to deal with the opposite sex, but we've learned that navigating relationships in the workplace. As we talked about earlier in our family, these are such valuable skills that aren't taught in school. Yes. I never encountered emotional bids in school, and if I had an opportunity to go to college doctor gotten as. Teaching, I probably would've skip that class thinking that's not for me, but learning about emotional bids has been so impactful in every relationship in my life. And let's be honest. We all want confidence. We all want to feel more self assured about ourselves and lean into our careers and social skills are how we lead into our career, getting jobs through your network. When we talk about how people advance in the career will your boss has to like you. That's a good first step so hot, a, we work and navigate through a world that has digital component, but social skills are still highly valued. So I have to say, I so respect how you guys are handling this because, hey, you stayed in your lane and supported people like yourselves, right. And you didn't pretend to be like, I, I know how to do this to support other genders. And now what I understand you're doing is really building a curriculum that is from the inside out supporting women's Lieber leadership in social skills doing it separately also is, I think, really important. We need to be able to practice and not to safe spaces, but brave space. And that that really goes, I think, too, that would be the phrase when I tell my women friends about your new women's boot camps, it'll be that you know, it's a safe place to gain all this mastery and excellence, but it's also a brave space in the way that you challenge people to create red criminal time confidence in everything they want in their lives. So a lot of respect hashtag respect were excited. We have a number of women that worked in the company that have coached our guys over the years and exactly that guys have been coming to us for over a decade to get honesty and to get that clarity and to be able to ask female coaches with they think about it, not just with Johnny, I think about it, and I think it's gonna be fun for Johnny, and I'd offer up an opportunity for the women to ask us what we think and feel about it. And then also to have our female coaches work closely with the women to build up their own confidence and to build up these social skills that everyone can benefit from. And then you're going to be able to send. Jobs. I see that in your future of beautiful, bright ASC future. Can't wait for two to get married that, and I am. Yes, I get the snuggly ale. See, we're working on it. Love. Nice Sean up and Milwaukee is hooking us up with some merge. So stay tuned for that. We're going to have some urge available on the website for all of our fans who can't make it out here to allay. The guys have been love and the snapback they get the graduation ceremony on bootcamp. All right. Shamila wants to know my girlfriend of two years broke up with me about a month back and in that month we didn't give each other enough time to separate and I can tell that she harbored negative emotions towards me. I decided to go forward with no contact, and it is now day two of that, and I believe that is the right thing to do to allow her to heal from the hurt. I caused her and to allow myself to heal from the hurt. She caused me. My question is, how do. Judge win to reinstate contact will she have to be the one to initiate contact and how do I get her back in general outside of improving myself? It's funny we were going through the questions a little bit earlier before we have on the Mike here, and I feel like we've all been there. Yes, guys and girls, and it is very difficult to have someone you care deeply about someone you feel strongly towards say, this isn't working for me. This is not what I signed up for this. No longer interest me. And of course, if things did not separate in that moment and you were whether it was forced to live together or work together and the opportunity he'll was never given. There are going to be a lot of raw negative emotions that you have to work through both of you. The first thing I want to say is it doesn't to me feel like he's fully worked through his own emotions. No, it seems to me, he's trying to rush the process of her working through her emotions, which is understandable without actually giving himself space to work through his own emotions around. A second thing that jumps out at me is the very last question. How do I get her back in general outside of improving myself? So let's just take a step back, this person you care about deeply in your life as said, I don't feel the same way for you right now. That's not going to change unless you change, it's impossible. She's telling you that she doesn't like this version of you down if you're listening to the show. Obviously, you know, we're gonna go through lots of versions of ourselves. Yeah, lots and working on our selves should always be the goal, whether or not it's a break up that is the Genesis of it. So I do not in any way want to discount improving yourself because this is a fantastic opportunity for that self reflection that we talked about earlier for moving beyond our past for growing as a human. And I can tell you in the solicited and unsolicited feedback. I've gotten from my ex girlfriend's always been very beneficial to my own personal growth. I would say take heed of the reasons that she gave you and the reasons for this break-up if she was comfortable enough, to be honest with you. Share what it was that drove her this point. Listen to them. This is coming from someone who cares about you cared about you deeply probably still cares about you and knows you an intimate level, right? Girlfriend, boyfriend. We share a lot of time together. They had to pick up all of the quirks in everything about us. They see more of us than most people even our close friends, she of us. So her response is telling you that in order for this to even have a remote possibility of getting a getting back together, you have to change the to Neville so we can't discount that. So that last question, how do I get her back in general without improving myself? I'm sorry, the answer is you have to improve yourself now. It doesn't mean you have to spend years and years and years, but it means that you have to improve yourself for you. Certainly got a, it's a month, nothing. Nothing. Johny James go from zero to running half marathon in a month knew nothing muffing. It happens in a month, especially in a situation where it's clear that they didn't even give each other space in that month. Right. We're talking to days worth space here. One of the things I would love to add is that as you can probably tell, I'm a big proponent of reconnecting with our emotions in our lives and where smart people right. And we use our brain. So often in our work we can tend to over think things in this particular case where I get hit right in my heart on this is I feel like there is a process at the end of a relationship that gets minimize in that is mourning and grieving the loss of what could have been the possibility that now the door is shut that perhaps there is a possibility that that could rekindle, but for right now, is it all right? Everybody that we make friends with the sadness, make friends with the grief, just like losing any other relationship because of you know of death or something else. I think that that's that's an important thing to give space. For also wanna point out that she wants space. I mean that that's clear in this question. So how do I judge win to reinstate contact? Will she have to be the one to initiate? Unfortunately, yes. To be broken up with to have someone break up with you is a very implicit ask for space and you rushing back and you trying to initiate and you trying to say, hey, look change. See I'm new AJ over here. J. two point. Oh, I'm ready. I did everything you said is not going to restore the relationship. Now, is there a possibility that she will reinitiate contact when she's played the field? She's worked on herself. She's realised through our own self reflection mourning grief that she rushed to judgment in and maybe she acted mistakenly. Yes, there is that possibility, but no amount of you pushing the gas on reinstating contact while not dealing with the self improvement that needs to come out of this process is going to win her back. And the other thing is going to have to get the idea of getting back together, offer your mind for. Also that you, you can reconnect with yourself and the only way to do that and healthy manner is is starting proving yourself. Get obsessed with it at. That's where change is going to come. That's where you can focus on something else and allow nature to run its course. The last question today, I think buttons up our emotional bid month quite easily and clearly are there keywords or phrases that we should pay attention to that indicate emotional bits, Jeff. I'm very sorry to tell you it is not in the words, it is in the intent yet when we start paying attention to people's intentions, we start recognizing emotional bids trying to pretend we're Google and just scanning for keywords is not a way to create. Can. I was gonna say the emotional bid is the key word is the phrase that you want to. It's in the word. When a love about the question though, is the sincerity what I get from all the questions and from all the listening that I'm doing around your guys work is that everybody cares so much about, you know, good relationships, gray boundaries, communication, but also just becoming the best possible version of yourself. So in my book that makes you a hero already today, listening to this is an indication whether you're Jeff for someone else, you know, Bravo to as coaches, that's who we love working with, right l. of these questions, come from people who want to work on themselves, want to improve where they are and know that they can grow and we couldn't ask for anything better as coaches. And that's why we've been doing this as long as we have and we're on the same path this whole idea of emotional bids. When I first heard it, I was concerned, yeah. What are the keywords. What's your way to get to that next step? But listening to the intent being more present, whether it's through mindfulness practice, whether it's through putting yourself out there or going to an order term boot camp to really immerse yourself in this idea and unpack emotional bids. Well, those are all great opportunities for growth. We've been talking and teaching about motion bids for for years now for five years. So it's it's always funny to watch people do video work and the question of, okay, so what are the motion bids? And we go, what after the case of the, here's the definition, educates, what so they are. They can be tricky, but once you're trained for them, you see them everywhere and you get very good with them. And, and of course, as Michael said, we sit that they are superpower. Thank you so much Andrea for leaving your small island in British Columbia, all the way down here to the big city. To experience gluten and LaCroix and Janis mud. We had a lot of fun today that you so much for joining us. I was a pleasure. Thank you for having where can our listeners fine more information about the delta method. Tough conversations in breaking of you cycle we need to talk is the name of the book that I wrote that has more detail about the delta model. You can find that at Amazon bookstore near you and more information about me can be found at my personal website, Andrea Jay Lee dot com. That's where I'll be doing most of my emotional abuse, emotional leadership, emotional resilience, work here on the much firm Perkins. That's it for today. But before we go, we have some shout outs to give. First off. I want to thank all of you. Keep writing us with your questions to keep us thinking and remind us how porn it is to help each other grow. Yeah, because every time you ask us a question, there are three or four more that pop in our own heads, and that really challenges us to keep exploring new and better ways to share what we do with our boot camps. So please keep those questions rolling in. You could always drop us a line at questions of the artichoke dot com. And we've got another shout out for one of our bootcamp, alums, Asia in rebel. He'd qualified for the Boston marathon. Congrats. Adrian. Yes, you're training isn't as grueling as our half marathon training. Yeah. In fact, near the end of this year, we're going to have all tra- marathon runner and extremely motivational, bad ass. David Goggin honor show to talk about the importance of doing something you don't like every single day. Well, because challenging yourself is so helpful to your personal growth, which is exactly why you should join us. On our free ten day challenge so that you can push yourself outside your comfort zone, become more social and join a community of like minded AO listeners and coaches all striving to be better, go to the art of charm dot com slash challenge to join us today. Again, that's the art of charm dot com. Slash challenge will see you in the group before we hit the credits. We want to join the conversation with you on social media where on Twitter at the art of charm, same with Instagram, and you could find us personally on Instagram at AJ harbinger at AO, see, Johnny, we want to hear from you. 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Tiffani Lewis: DaBaby and Cam Cold Heart

Let's Talk Game with Tiffani Lewis

08:57 min | 1 year ago

Tiffani Lewis: DaBaby and Cam Cold Heart

"Listen to charlotte. There's a new safer rosser app. Come into the city called scoop. 'em and they're hiring drives now. Drivers can make fifteen percent more than other companies and they treat their drivers. Better sound sean them now at w._w._w. Dot dot com thank you for tuning in to another episode of. Let's talk game with tiffany lewis. I'm your host this. This week's podcast is going to be a little bit on orthodox from the usual platforms and discussions that we have with guests because it's just me kind of narrating a recent incident that made national news now. If you haven't heard cam cold heart versus the baby has has grabbed major media attention. Let's talk game is all about inspiring infusing hope and here i sit in the middle of charlotte north carolina where the incident did take place in incident that occur in south park mall which led to an outcome that thankfully had a happy ending now. How how is it a happy when you ask. I'll get to that in a minute but if you're not familiar with incident please google it or find it on some form of social media. I know it'll be easy easy. <hes> let's talk game is not a media platform in that sense of reporting per se but it helps enhance his show stance on community inspiring spiring hope and health. We can talk about it now. As a charlotte native i applaud the baby for the leaps. He's been able to make in his career. He's always smiling on his social media. He talks about god in his post and works out obviously because he performs mostly with what is shirt off right so i imagine health is important to him in those are some of our tenants on the podcast and he's a proud parent as will loves his mom. He rocks walks out for so he's a family guy. I could probably assess that you could to write that to me speaks to a solid guy who wants to do things the right way. This speaks aches volumes especially coming from our city now cam code heart. This is the first time i heard of him. But what i've learned is that he's he's also a recording artist a loving parent and a vegan of seven years so that was impressive he has discipline as well and so these guys are both about their health their family and they rock heart for their community despite the east versus west side beef so one of the things these two have in common tom i believe and i'm going to put a positive spin on is an uncanny resilience as a baby. Put it in making lemons wins out of lemonade. That's what he's aimed to do right because you can kind of see the sourness of the incident if you look at it in replay it but his goal is to make lemonade manege out of lemons they both are marketing new material resulting from the incident and i hope that pans out well for them but literally like i i said as i sit here in the middle of the city our city charlotte north carolina. I want to just share my thoughts on on the issue if i can if i can insert myself as we know very few artists have successfully made a name for themselves with real ties is and routes to charlotte north carolina or north carolina period for that matter right this beef as attention grabbing as it is does nothing more than create divide in a city riddled with unnecessary feud unless should be frank. It also causes more scrutiny scrutiny for the next young black males step foot in south park mall. I was actually in the the mall a couple days ago with my kids and you know me me in my pregnancy. I like to stay cool places plus. I had to do a little bit of summer shopping but i noticed the beefed up security outside the store where the incident took place so not only are we. I'll say we will we be screened from the outside of a store but also the inside will do. We really need this like seriously do we. What what new dynamic will this create gate for us for our city for minorities in this city. I want to really challenge to listeners. There's leaders and supporters of the baby and camco heart to see the bigger picture charlotte. We have a new look. We have a new sound around and were garnering. The interest of new tastes makers. That's huge is really huge not just businesses from a corporate standpoint but from a cultural standpoint point that's really big so i want you to sit and listen and think about that for minute so let's build on that and really grow collectively because quite frankly we have to a world is watching beyond the community. A world instagram is a global platform. A world is watching and just over the weekend. I had <hes> a good time with some friends. We were at the discovery place. Moms and kids and this friend is from europe and i've known her for over ten years and you know my son was kind of he was on the cusp of needing eating an app so he gets a little unruly and as a toddler is understood but i a comment my friend made. She said he's going to be a troublemaker and i said no. He's not and i kept. I kept thinking about her comment over the weekend and i knew her heart didn't mean anything by it but i kinda wondered okay well. She's known me for this long and she knows that kind of paradise am where would accommodate it like that. Come from it comes from the media. It comes from the things that are portrayed in the media and she knows me so think about how we are portrayed trade when a person doesn't know us they just know what they see and often times minorities are just portrayed worse. It is what it is is not a hidden secret. It's become a way of the world and we have to combat this not putting ourselves out there worse. I often often here. Mothers of mainly african american sons say you know what i don't want my son to get profiled. I fear that or i don't want my son to be another bystander of an officer gunning him down or you know stopping stopping him for no reason and i'm a mother of a son he's two and as i walk through the mall and i thought about this incident. I don't want that either but i don't <music> have those fears fortunately because my faith is what replaces those fears right and then but i thought about what about when he becomes a teenager and wants to they get dropped off at the mall and he's just innocently walking through with his friend who may look just like him have brown skin just like him then what and so this is not just about the now. This is about the future cam. You have sons the baby you have a son from my knowledge so think about your son and what you want for them and again. This is just me. I wanted to share my thoughts on the topic. I liked em to invite vite both guys on the show for continuation of progressive talk if they're open to it but until then this podcast. I hope it sends a ripple thoughts. It's throughout our communities that make us look at the accountability. We hold one another to more seriously and just you know two months ago we we mourn the loss of who were now deeming as a legend in the entertainment and business world nipsy hustle and his charge to all of us to pick up albertan was not limited to l._a. That was a national charge beyond it was a charge globally because it had had global ripple effect but then i believe it was a charge to humanity a charge to the heart a charge to the consciousness for us to really step up and really carry area are baton so way in no pun intended and share your thoughts and feedback on this podcast with me. You can email email me at t lewis louis at s._e._o. S._e._m. sports dot com and be sure to subscribe to the podcast. Let's talk game with tiffany lewis on itunes spotify and even soundcloud out thanks. This is another episode of let's talk game. I'm your host tiffany lewis.

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Options for the Giants' biggest roster holes

Big Blue View

34:06 min | 1 year ago

Options for the Giants' biggest roster holes

"Yeah. Hello, welcome to the review podcast. I am Dan is you to chew into your by Chris for Chris. How're you doing today? Okay. I guess I'm not quite sure what to do with myself. Things have significantly slowed where bat now a week past the draft. We've now seen the first bit of rookie minicamp, which we are not going to talk about neither one of us were there to be honest. Neither one of us really care in the best way. There's only so much you can really take from rookie minicamp and dissecting play by play of anyone during that time. We don't need to do that. There's no use for it. But now that the draft is over those rookies are in on the roster and there's on drafted free agents and the couple other signings. We see what the giants roster now looks like and we can see that. While the giants did make some strides at some positions will say corner that they've spent a significant amount of time trying to upgrade corner. That was what a lot of the draft was but. There are still maybe a couple holes on this Rosser and baby ones that surprisingly did not really get addressed in the draft. And we're going to talk about I think the two biggest holes that are still on this roster. Why they're still the biggest holes, and if anything can be done to fix them. So we are going to then start with probably what is easily the biggest hole, and maybe the biggest surprise of something they didn't fix in the draft or three free agency before that. And that's right tackle. Yeah. I don't think were kind of making any bold statements or shocking revelations when we say that Chad Wheeler was not great last year. And I think pretty much everybody expected. I know I expected the giants to just go out and spend what cap space they had upgrading the right tackle position. And that just didn't happen. And then I think. Everybody pretty much expected them to spend one of their first three draft picks on a right tackle. Because this was a good offensive tackle class in some of the best guys have experienced at right tackle. So that just made sense. And they didn't do that either. Yeah. It was a tough situation. Really just from the start of last season's. Chad wheelers. Undrafted free agent was not supposed to be the starter at right tackle. I that was supposed to be flowers, which was probably not. Hey, great plan to begin with. But we don't have to get into that plan. So I mean flowers was supposed to be the starting right tackle he was dad was benched eventually released and we came in. Remember he had his first start against JJ watt mostly against Houston. I netted not go very well. The rest of the season was not that bad for bealer. It was still significantly below average. When looking weak wide at right-angles. So that continually was a problem even as the rest of the authentic line during the season started to shore up a little bit. You saw made solar was off to a rough start got better as the season went on left. Tackle will Hernandez rookie at left guard. He improved the center was never really figured out because of all the injuries. But that wasn't a huge problem. Although that could still probably still be upgraded right guard got a little better winge Amman Brown came in. But he's still wasn't great. I think just upgrade to slightly below average was huge there when Brown came in. And that's why it seemed like such a significant improvement, but we were kind of on his own on tackle was still not great. And he is now still projected to be the starter. Because really no competition was brought in. We can talk about SAFA Gye who was. Drafted in the seventh round the giant seemed to be pretty high on him, but we shouldn't be expecting seventh router to just come in and compete either. So when you look at the draft we saw where the giants went in the first round. So once you got past that, and then they didn't have the second round pick after trading up for Andrea Baker, and that was kind of dissuade spot for tackles, you could probably make an impact and the third round. They had to go edge because that's one of the other positions. We're going to talk about offense of tackle. In the free agent market wasn't super great either in Trent Brown paid a crapload of money to go to Oakland. And then once you get past that there was not a lot of great options. And so the giants unless we're how many great options they have here. I think we've heard them connected to Michael remers, the former panther and Viking so he's played under ghetto Meads played under Pat Shurmur. There's the connection there. He is still not one hundred percent from an injury. And that's why he hasn't signed. Yet of the giants are monitoring his progress, but a thirty year old tackle who struggled at Gordon year. And is now coming back from a back injury. That wouldn't make me very hopeful that he is going to make an immediate impact. But he seems to be the top option. The giants are looking at if there is another option to replace or even compete with Wheeler. Yeah. And there is the argument floating around that he was bad at guard. But that's kind of okay because guard is not his natural position that he's a natural right tackle. And would be better there and out. He still wasn't really great at right tackle. And that was two years ago was less played position. Andy has had back surgery since then. So I dunno back surgery is one of those things that. Kinda worries me even if you are back one hundred percent, you're still not back. One hundred percent if that makes any sense it the back is complicated in it takes a while to get right? Absolutely. And you can see with some of his struggles a less year so purrs pollution yet. A two point eight one blown blog rate, which was sixty second of lung tackles with at least five hundred snaps and he's loop Dane with tackles in that we'd aboard, but he played mostly guard, and you can say he was playing at a physician, but bone balk rates are usually much lower at guard than the tackle. So for him to struggle that much at guard is either he's not a good guard. So you shouldn't be using his versatility. As a causative of why he should be signed. If he's not a good guard at all. And that was in just under a thousand snaps in twenty seventeen still had a two point three nine blown block. Great on six hundred twenty nine snaps and that was when he was at tackle. So that's only slightly better than what? Chad Wheeler did last year which is a Bloomberg rate of two point four seven percent, which was fifty first among qualified tackles. So all of that is great. So I would have some concerns bringing remers in. But I think there are some other options that are still out there. I have to right away. And none of these are going to really spark a lot of competence as a long term plan. But if you're bringing in already eight thirty rolled in remers doesn't really matter. How old these guys are if they might just be better as tackles one is Germany Parnell who spent a decent amount of time with Dallas. And then went to Jacksonville, and then was released after having a decent season think he was just kind of a cap casualty there. So his born balk rate was what we won't point two percent as she was sixteen that was on eight hundred. Thirty four snaps. He's going to be thirty three this season. But like I just said if the guys are already thinking about bringing in are not really going to be the one term solution unless sure what the differences between a thirty year old, right? Tackle any thirty three-year-old. Right. Tackle who is better. Either way you still have to figure out the future of right tackle. But with bring in Parnell, I would think you would have just a little more ability, and that gives you a little more leverage to then figure out what is going to eventually happen every tackle. And then the other guy is a guy I've talked about quite a bit. I wrote about him in the top free agents or longtime ago. I pretty sure I brought him up during some of our free agent podcast. And that's Joe Barksdale yet a up and down twenty eighteen a he was released by the chargers, but he was picked up by Zona because of how desperate they were at tackle. And along the offensive line. He came in and played really well, so he was claimed and like. Seven days later with starting for Zona every tackle. And he just had a one point one percent block rate if that was on three hundred sixty seven snaps he's going to be thirty years old. But again, someone who has shown he's able to hold up in blocking passing and run blocking combined in these blown up rates. So I think porno embark stale both have higher upside than remers does who won has not been great to coming off in injury. So those two guys I would greatly prefer over the possibility of bringing in remers, and I would prefer both of them over putting Chen Wheeler out there for another year. Yeah. And one morning that kind of stands out to me is Byron bell Ben with the Cowboys Ben with the Packers. He's another guy who's coming off an injury. But he at least has experienced and wasn't terrible. At least from what I've seen in. Remember when he was on the field. But I think definitely getting even though they're thirty thirty three years old getting one of these guys would at least give the China and a little bit of time just time to find out what they have in Georgia, south Gye or just kick the can down the road one more year. And maybe find a long-term answer in either next year's free agency or in next year's draft. Yeah. And he can look at next drafted apparently for those who have looked at it. And again, we never know I it's not super stacked at ofensive line. So that might be a problem. I think if you look at and then when you look at free agency next year, there are some bigger names. A, but the we don't know if any of those guys are going to hit the market. I mean engine Whitworth. Anthony's can Songo Joe Staley all of these guys are there well into their thirties. Like, kill them Beecham. Well, Colin's none of these guys are going to be young and hitting free agency. And that's the kind of the problem. So you do not always going to have those options. So I think for right now getting as good as you can along the offensive line is something you need to do especially for a team that stressed so much how important the authentic wine and having a good offensive line is for the quarterback and for the running back to still be this fort into the off season and having Chad Wheeler as the starting bright tackle, the basically uncontested, and that seems like a very big flaw in Rosser planning to me. Yeah. I would also add center to that. Because I'm still not convinced that the giants have a real long-term starting center. I like to see John Lobue take some steps forwards. Especially with his hand usage. And by that. I mean, consistently used them. But you know, he's a journeyman guard before he switched to centre and they decided to just roll with him. Spencer poli was not great. Evan Brown is athletic and undrafted free agent last year. And now they just brought on James o'hagan out of buffalo as undrafted free agent this year. So I'm not writing position off, but I'm not super confident in their options at least not yet. Yeah. It's just it's a tough place to be in right now they didn't have a lot of options at the beginning of the off season. Although just going to average they wouldn't have had to make that big of a jump to just just going from average to where they were in twenty eighteen would have been a significant upgrade, and that would have helped a lot. But now they have even fewer options as they go forward into the twenty one thousand nine hundred and as much as they were to redo the offensive line and solar was better at the. Second half of the season. You you've worked for that left side of the line. You worse with you upgraded right guard also with Kevin Zeitler. But if right tackle is still a glaring hole. That stuff doesn't really matter if the opposing defense can just put their best guy over the right tackle. And so many teams do that. Now, either just putting their best guy over the right tackle or moving their best guys around the best guys. Just don't go over the left tackle to go on the blindside anybody that that doesn't happen. And so when you have defense of pass rushers who can move around if you just putting someone who is going to possibly just blow up chatted Wheeler. That's not going to help you. So either you have to keep a tight end in and that takes away a possible receiving option you have to keep a running back in which if it's Barclay on the field takes away probably the most likely receiving option on a given play and that starts to hamstring your offense. So. Still looking for an upgrade, right tackle. I think is something they need to do between now and the start of the season and partner and Barksdale would be in my two options are not totally sure if Mike remers would do that. Yeah. And the giants do have those connections with him. And that has counted for a lot in their decision making process through the last. I I don't know fifteen sixteen months basically since the end of the twenty seventeen season. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a lot of lot of sermon connected with a lot of Gettleman connections this off season about of better connections. So that's kind of how the giants have built a significant portion of this roster. So we'll see how that goes. And in the one thing will probably agree with the gentleman on is how important the offense of line can be. I was just listening to Bill Barnwell podcast, and he had Brian Burke on of ESPN's. That's an info is one of. The first guys in really football anesthetics and talking about their past balk win rate that is really created in public this year and talked about how on a week to week basis that pass block win rate was more consistent from week to week then pass rush win rate. So having good offensive tackles was more in your control and your ability to pass block was more about being good and pass rush win rate was more about who you replaying. So that was about the opposing offensive line. And we kinda saw that last year. The giants did struggle to to pass block and when they were against good defensive lines. They struggled to pass Bach, and that showed up even more. So we'll see how that continued to plays out. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I want to tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. It seems mart as a show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine and driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. 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Nate sloan. Join us on a journey through the world popular music by subscribing to switched on pop. On apple podcasts Spotify or your favorite podcast app to get episodes. Every tuesday. On the flip side of that the defensive line and edged specifically, I think is still a position that the giants probably are still the weakest at even though they've thrown a whole bunch of darts added. I wrote a defensive kind of just overview of what the roster is in might look like last week for big we've you dot com. And I think the one thing we can see is there's no number one edge rusher. And that might be good that might not be a, but there's going to be a consistent rotation because between Barca's golden Shane's news over rental quarter and Kareem Morton, no one really stands out in that group. I think they can all bring different things. But no one is really going to be someone the opposing offense needs you game plan for. So I think maybe maybe that rotation can be good because they'll all be fresh, and they can do different things and and be inserted in different. Situations. But just overall you're not gonna have that one guy who is just going to take over make things easier for the other players and at this point in the off season. Even the guys we're going to talk about as possible players to add into that rotation. Those aren't going to be available either. So even the guys were going to talk about now are just going to be guys who could just be useful parts of of a defensive rotation and just add maybe a little bit more upside to just add to that group. Get personally, I think just looking at the group the giants have and even with one of these free agents, I think their pass rushes basically going to have to come from James badgers, blitz packages. They have invested a ton of resources into their cornerback position before the draft. Even started. They spent a third round pick on Sam Bill, basically spent three picks. In gander Baker. They used a fourth round pick on Julian love and then another day three pick on Corey Ballantyne. So that is just a ton of draft capital. So they more or less need these guys to pay off in both their pass coverage and as an extension of that their pass rush. I have a feeling they're going want to play coverage on the back end, particularly man coverage, and then just send Blitzer from everywhere and anywhere to try to make up for the fact that they do not have that ace or looking at the best defences aces who can just go in. To use the baseball analogy get the strikeouts. When you need 'em. Yeah. That's kind of what the James better defense was in Arizona. I mean, they had Chandler Jones Claes Campbell at one point. But it was a lot of blitzing. And that's where a lot of the pressure came from. And I think that might be a part of what happens this year. I think you might get algal Trie putting a little more. And that's one of the parts of the game where he is new pretty good. But when you look at the group of edge rushers it doesn't stand out as a group. I think individually I like all of these guys or Renzo Carter is super athletic. He was still learning to be an edge rusher. Last year started to catch on a little bit. I would like to see some more development. They're already talked about Zimin as I like him as someone who is a pretty refined pass rusher and should be able to. Get his hand use and things to translate markets. Golden has been good in the past and under better with a full season of health should be able to have a decent amount of pressure created, and then Kareem Morton was another player not to the extent of over the Vernon but was much better in pressure than he was in separate and that usually is going to translate to future sacks. So, you know of those top four guys I like them individually as a group they still kind of we've Eliza bit left to be desired, and there's potential to possibly add to that group. But I mean, even the names were going to throw out right now, don't inspire a lot of confidence. Algo? Maybe there's a useful piece. I think the first I'm going to throw out is really guy that hasn't been talked about at all. And that's that long acre. He was part of the Rams. He was a starter last year and. Kind of in a similar sense to the giants where there wasn't a lot of work done or at least work done to get in a high caliber edge rusher. So he just kind of was a starter at outside linebacker for them. He we had one hundred twelve rushes because once they got Dante Fowler. He was a healthy scratch sometimes, but he was productive when he was on the field. Twelve point five percent of pressure rate, which was twenty fifth of mung edge rushers with at least one hundred rushes was the one hundred fifty three of them. So he was fairly good when he was on the field that didn't translate into Saks. But again, like we said good pressure rate is going to turn into future sacree, even if it didn't in the past season. So I would absolutely bet. More on a guy with a high pressure rate any low sacree than a guy with the opposite guy who had a lot of sacks. But was just kind of average impression and think log acres only going to be twenty eight. Eight in September. So I think he could be a useful piece to add to that event. Yeah. That's kind of under the radar signing. The sort of thing that Dave Gettleman has. Done. Well with in the past is finding players who. Might be not really well known not really I don't wanna say appreciated, but just overlooked. That could have a role and could contribute. The other guys on the list that really stand out. Shane ray. Obviously pretty recent first round pick. He was a fantastic pass rusher at Missouri. He has experienced in a similar style of defense as the giants play just as a pass rushing edge in multiple front defense promise, he has also dealt with a lot of injuries. Fact even going back to the draft. Yeah. I think my my biggest problem with him. And he someone who I think has been mentioned as a possibility is one he hasn't been healthy. And to he hasn't been good. And those things probably go hand in hand yet, those are slightly important, but less you're just eight seven point zero three pressure rate, which was one hundred twenty fifth among those one hundred fifty three allied defensive ends and that was just on one hundred twenty eight rushes so he didn't have a lot of snaps. He didn't have a lot of pressure is. So that's I mean, he's only going to be twenty six I guess if you want to say, there's still maybe potential on tap upside there. Oh, maybe. But a lot of guys you you would see it by now. But he hasn't been there. I think that's the same thing for some of these other guys. Like Nick Perry is another name that's been brought up he's dealt with some injuries. He we had one hundred. Forty seven Russia's last year nine point five two percent pressure rate that was seventieth among those rusher. So I mean, there's there's a little bit there. But really not a lot. I think when I like to see brought up and again, it's a name that it's not going to really inspire a lot of confidence. But a Dion Jordan only twenty nine. He's a former first round pick. He had one hundred eighty five rushes last year and eleven point three five percent pressure, which was forty first and he's played that outside linebacker. He can play a little bit of that. And he's someone who has eventually grown into a useful player. He's not a former number three overall pick. He doesn't bring that type of production. But I think he was he was very useful in Seattle last year. And I think you could play a similar role as a situational pass rusher. And that's whole the giants have right now are these situational pass rushers. So if you get guys who are good at that. And we're not sure if like. How many of the guys currently the giants Rosser are going to continue to be good at that? So I think he is also another under the radar option that could make some sense, and at least at one point especially coming out of Oregon in the draft. He was a very similar prospect to Lorenzo Carter just as a long bendy super athletic edge. And especially, you know, coming out in twenty thirteen the edge position as we now understand it was really only just starting to emerge. Yeah. That's right. And I think as we've seen Jordan in the in the latter years of his career so far and again, he's still only going to be twenty nine the season was able to create some pressure. He was a big part of that Seattle defense last year. And again, none of these guys have rushed over two hundred times last season. But if you adding them into a big group of edge rusher, they might not have to do that this season. So if you can even get that great production in a small sample, then fine if you would expect their pressure rate to possibly drop as their snaps go up. This is a situation where they're snaps probably going to go up a lot. So just getting veteran guys in here is probably going to be a good thing. If you just want to mix and match the type of players you want to put out on the field. Yeah. One more name and again, going back to the theme of the giants have really time and again going back to the well of players they know would be west Horton who was signed by Dave Gettleman as undrafted free agent. All the way back in twenty thirteen. He has started games for the Panthers. He has been not super productive. But just as. A rotational player. He's able to add at least a few sacks few tackles for loss due quarterback hits that sort of thing which again at this point is kind of the best giants can hope for de had two hundred thirty six Pasha snaps last year only seven point six three percent pressure rate, which was one hundred fifteenth. That's not great. But like you said there is the gentleman connection. So that's possible. I think the other guys we talked about are probably slightly higher upside who around the same age. I think bring a little more into the field than than Horton does. So I mean, those guys I would prefer. But who knows I wouldn't be surprised if there is at least one more guy added to this edge rusher group. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if there is a veteran brought in at bright tackle, its most. Going to be Mike remers just because of the connections and all the talk that has happened to this point. And as you look at the giants Rosser right now what they have. I mean, I I still don't think it's a great Rosser. That's probably going to win a lot of games. But the the biggest holes still you can see that they've tried. We tried to upgrade some other places to not have as big of holes as they did last year. You could maybe not be inspired by like, the Antawn buffet signing that happens to be I think my favorite signing. The giants did this off season. I like Antoine buffet quite a bit. But you can see if he's going to be playing that deep safety. He is significantly better than Curtis. Briley. So there were imposes where the giants, you know, try to shore up, but you look at right tackle. And you look at edge, and those are still the two biggest holes on this roster and the ones that are probably going to need to be fixed. If this Rosser wants. To be competitive this year. Like, we said, I mean edge they can probably figure things out, especially if the coverage is better and with the blitz packages that James Becher could use you could manufacture some pressure. I think right tackle still remains the biggest concern because there's only so much you can do to protect attack. And like I said that either keeping a tight end in keeping running back in that takes away from potential receiving options. So that is limiting your offense. So I can still consider right? Tackle to be a major need edge could definitely be improved. But right tackle definitely something that that needs to be done before the season starts. Yeah. And just as we saw the the options are not great unless Chad Wheeler has been putting in some. Absolutely ridiculous work with great coaching that we don't know about they're probably going to want to look at their options. Yeah. You think so and after off season of of work, it's it's still one of the biggest questions going forward. 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WTD with Stimulus Checks and Tax Refunds #188

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37:59 min | 7 months ago

WTD with Stimulus Checks and Tax Refunds #188

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We're discussing what to do with stimulus checks and tax refunds. That's Rachel we're going to talk about what to do with a little infusion of cash our bank accounts man but I We wanted to acknowledge that while we talk about personal finances and money every episode a lot of individuals have lost their lives due to the corona virus. Hopefully the worst is behind us as it looks like we may have hit our peak last week but our hearts go out to all the individuals whose health has been impacted by this virus and we feel for the families who have suffered losses and we're thankful for everyone who is putting their lives at risk right now as well all the nurses or the doctors all those who have central jobs keeping food on the shelves first responders keeping US safe. We're thankful for all of you out there as well. I think we're all so ready to be done with this virus. And hopefully we're out of the woods soon on the health side of this but you know the money side is another thing that's had an impact and it has been getting worse and worse as the unemployment numbers go up and and the stimulus bill. The stimulus checks though we should starting to receive in our counts any day. Now those are going to have a major impact on our ability as individual Americans to to weather the storm and to stay financially solvent and of course the the negative financial impact is all because of this virus that we just can't control which is which is just a weird place to be in man so weird. Hopefully these checks along with the other stimulus measures. That were a part of the cares. Act will allow our economy to bounce back cry like this is something that some of the different economists are pointing to. They're talking about the shape of the rebound on an article. V versus the the different letters of the alphabet. W those are not getting exactly. Well that's what they're saying like you or a V. shape is that's ideal right because that means we're Kinda bouncing back pretty quick. W is if we basically have a second wave like another cycle of people getting sick of the economy going through a rough patch and that's kind of a not ideal situation and they're talking about L. How that's like the worst situation. That sounds pretty basically drops in. That's kind of where we've been and then if it sits there for you know for the foreseeable future. Hopefully that won't be the case right with these different economic measures that have been taken between that and hopefully getting a better hold and better control over the virus and and how to treat it in ways that we know that we should most definitely be taken precautions. Now I feel like early on a lot of folks. You know like they're still going on the beltline. Got Something here in Atlanta where there's just tons of folks in particular young folks just kind of out and about still living their life hanging on. Patios with their friends but I think everyone is very well aware of the dangerous to that and I mean it's basically illegal now like Atlanta's under lockdown and maybe that's a little too long but we certainly have seen how that's now necessary and how that's a good thing. Yeah and Matt. We're going to get into kind of how people should think about this money. Being transferred to their bank account essentially and we realized to its April Fifteenth. That's typically tax day in the US. Not so this year. It's hyper rare. To have actually not be on April. Fifteenth has been pushed back three months which is good news for people who especially owe the IRS and need to keep more cash in their pockets but traditionally April Fifteenth Tax Day. And what that normally means is that a lot of folks do get a check in the mail completely. Not In the mail just shows up in your bank account right. Yeah so we're going to talk about what to do with that but matt. I should mention the beer that we're having on the show today drinking space lettuce by Monday night brewing and this is a double Ip from from our friends just around the corner. I mean we've had several of their beers on lately and that's an effort to make sure that we're supporting our local. Berea one of our favorites. If you've never had a Monday night brewery and you're in the southeast look them up and even get your hand on some of their beer are matt. Let's get onto the subject at hand. We've already been introducing and talking about it. But we're talking about what to do with stimulus checks and tax refunds and there are two big windfalls that might be hitting our accounts and some people have file their taxes. Early they have received a tax refund. Already that's me. Yeah already got my refund. You haven't spent an already at right now. You're waiting for this episode to come out to know what to do with your money. Absolutely okay wait and defer to myself but for most people. It's typically just once a year that they experienced a lump sum payment like this. Yeah and the typical tax refund is about three thousand bucks and with the addition of the stimulus checks being sent to most individuals and households across the country. Were looking at more of a windfall than normal and there's more opportunity for us to potentially handle this poorly. So what should you prioritize with that money? Well we've got some thoughts. Although part of it depends on your specific situation we will discuss a lot of nuance in today's episode. For kind of how different people who have different varying factors in their lives like how how they should consider this money as it flows into their account and how they should be handling it. Yeah Joe receiving a large windfall like this a little cash infusion of money. It doesn't happen all that often so it's no surprise that we're not at all that great at doing something smart with that money so most of us think of it as just a bonus check That we should spend like one hundred percent of it and for people who diligently prioritize saving and investing like all throughout the year. That might be okay but for most people. A more thoughtful approach is going to be an order. We don't WanNa blow the easiest chance we get to start an emergency fund or pay down some of our Pesky high interest rate debts and on the tax refund. Front it's important to question whether or not we should be getting. You know any money at all yeah. A lot of people are used to giving that tax refund check but ultimately it's not ideal because it is kind of essence in interest free loan that we're giving to the government were letting them hold our money the entire year and then give it back to us and so if you are one of those people who's receiving several thousand dollars back this year after you file your taxes. Well it might be time for you to make some adjustments to your tax withholding. The goal should be to not receive a refund or to receive a very very small refund. And so if that's not the case for you well you can run some calculations and figure out what adjustments you need to make via the irs tax withholding calculator estimator willing to that in our show notes but matt we make those adjustments. It allows us to keep more of our earned income in our pockets every single month as opposed to getting this one big. Check kind of figuring out what to do with it. It can allow us to save throughout the year as opposed to getting this windfall sum of money that's not necessarily ideal because often when we get that windfall some of the money. The emotional effect is like cool. It's it's found money. I can do whatever I want with it. But if it's kind of money that trickles in every single month I feel like we're a little more judicious with a typically. Yeah that's a hard earned money that you've earned yourself versus this. Freebie that you get from the government. It's not a Freebie but it feels like it. Yeah well at least not in the sense of your tax refund. Obviously the stimulus check is meant to feel more like that. We'll get to that later in this episode. And you'll you mentioned adjusting your withholdings in some of the reasons or instances when you would want to make some of those adjustments might be when you get married. Maybe if you have a kid maybe you've picked up a second job like if you've got a side hustle that you're starting to make an income from or maybe if you've lost your job and you've been unemployed for the year. I mean yeah. A lot of people are going to be in that boat. And so you know if you're listening to this in your collecting. That unemployment check is not the same amount that you were making before and so making. Some adjustments to your withholding might make sense in order for you to not receive one of these quote unquote massive bonuses next year around tax time but for most of our listeners. They probably are in the position like most Americans that they are getting the small windfall taxes. And even if they're not even if they're smart and done their withholdings well many of them will be getting this stimulus check depending on how much money they make because it phases out the more money you make but a lot of our listeners will beginning that stimulus and so either way. 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That's always been like a terrible thing to do. Someone's going to get everyone to bury in the field. You'RE GONNA be in their backyard with the metal detector. You'RE GONNA find you're GONNA find their loose change all that. Kinda stuff although I have heard of folks doing before like if you've got a large parcel of land may maybe bearing the one ounce gold coins at different spots are on the property that's real life for some people. Yeah not the smartest move though. So let's get into the actual smart moves that people should make and they should be doing with their stimulus money and their tax refund. We would say the first thing to prioritize is cash in an emergency fund even people who feel like they might have the most stable job in the world right now well they could be just zoom. Call Away from being. Let go from their position. Yeah and if you didn't already have a serious dislike resume. The final nail in the coffin. Privacy issues I can deal with but I got fired over that service so I'm done with it and at least having two thousand four hundred. Sixty seven dollars set aside. That's kind of the amount that we've have honed in on as the amount of people should aim for at least as a beginner. Emergency Fund having that money set aside to handle the bumps in the road that will come to you. Financially inevitably is advisable but a few months of living expenses set. Aside is even better and since we are in an economic recession we're in a downturn. Cash is even more valuable now than it. Otherwise would be right. It can help you pay rent or your mortgage and keep stress it pay so at times like this. Cash is most definitely not trash. We would suggest that having a padded emergency fund. Having that money set aside for expenses that you might not be able to cover in the case of job loss. That is definitely one of the number one priorities right now. Well like that cash is not trash should she? Coined that some people think cash is trash but because of recurring expenses that we always have that all of us have. I just don't understand that mentality like I'm not in love with cash. I mean they're obviously. We love investing in buying rental properties and investing in the stock market. But there's a need for cash early man. Well it's all about context right like I can see way more folks being like. I don't have that much money in cash. I've got all these other options for me to the tap if I do have an emergency where I can tap those funds but you know given the current state that things are in right now. Yeah cash is king and I wanted to mention that two thousand four hundred sixty seven dollars. That's not a number that we came up with. This is a number that a bunch of researchers no mine would have been two thousand three hundred ninety nine so we were way off. You love that ninety nine. Seem like you're getting a deal exactly but researchers have decided that that is the dollar amount that a Lotta people need to have in order to to whether some of these smaller hurdles obviously given the the context given the environment that we're in currently I would venture to think that took four six seven how that may not even be enough. You know like I know for us. Our family like were kind of aiming for closer to six months in our emergency right now just to weather. The uncertainty ahead of us. We don't exactly know what the economic landscape is going to look like. We don't know what our health is going to look. Like I'm self-employed. My income isn't ever a guaranteed thing. And so I know for US having more margin. They're definitely gives us a little more peace of mind in another reason to you. Know that is good to have maybe fatter. Emergency Fund sitting around Zuhdi. Medical costs a lot. More folks are getting sick after all. This is first and foremost a health crisis. So make sure that you have some extra funds set aside to handle whatever your copay or your out of pocket maximums whatever they might be and not just for you but for everyone. You're responsible for for your entire family. Although that being said we wanted to mention that the good news is that some of the major insurance companies out there like AETNA CIGNA and Humana. They all said that they are gonNA be waiting. The consumer costs associated with cove in nineteen treatment. So if you're one of those providers you can at least have that to kind of fall back on emergency fund making sure you have that bare minimum and expanding on that to making sure you have hopefully months worth of expenses on hand online savings account that pays you a decent rate of interest and by decent rate of interest. It's really not that much these days. We've seen the savings account rates plummeting as the Fed has cut their rate. And it's just tough time out there for savers as well however the next thing we would suggest that you do with the lump sum of money is to make sure that it minimum. You're getting the company match. Inside of your retirement account. It feels like time for investors but in actuality for all of our younger listeners. For anybody out there in the wealth building phase of their life. This is the best time for you to be investing and so taking some of that money to ensure that you're at least at minimum getting your company match in your 401k. Well that's free money and you definitely need to make sure you're taking advantage of that. There's nowhere on earth that you're able to double your money or with some companies get like that fifty percent return so make sure you're taking advantage of it. Don't miss out by the way we are hearing for more and more listeners. We're seeing that more and more companies are taking away the matching benefit during this time. But don't fret because as things get back to normal. Those 401k matching benefits will be reinstituted there. A key cornerstone of benefits companies offer and they're able to retain top talent by offering matching retirement account benefits like this so Yeah just if you don't have it for the time being don't worry in all likelihood you're going to have it back in the near future and if you still do have mashing make sure you're not missing out on it. Joel. I'm top talent. How come I've never had a company match your company's not very generous Dude? That company is you. Yeah you all you and me as well. We got a little podcast here but we don't make enough money to have fancy benefits like that. Well at least we get to drink beer on the job right. That's true. That's a sweet little perk that I have instituted. We don't have company matches the add on our 401K's through the podcast and HR person to tell us no HR person tell us that like no. You shouldn't be drinking while you podcast. But you and I we responsibly. Enjoy a craft beer. And that's definitely a perk that we enjoy of what we get to do here man i. I couldn't agree more after an emergency fund. You know making sure that you are getting that 401k match. That is always going to be your next order of business but after that you want to look too high interest debts look to pay off high interest loans credit card debt. A good rule of thumb is to look for interest rates that are about maybe five percent higher than the current ten year treasury rate. So what that means for today that you want to pay off any debts that are about six percent or higher and the reason for that is the likelihood of you being able to earn more than that. Currently in the market is pretty slim. However there is a caveat here in a normal economy with stable employment ditching high interest rate debt. It is going to be one of the first news that you should made. Because it's near impossible to invest your money and get an eighteen percent return right. Yeah unless you buy into those infomercials on. Tv bitcoin Tesla you know that one time they people say about bitcoin. And so you get that sort of return by paying down credit card debt but right now it's a time of intense instability and as we discussed earlier when we're talking about emergency funds cash on hand becomes even more meaningful and important than it normally would be during these times. Yeah so paying down high interest rate debt. Matt we're all about it but if it comes at the expense of your Emergency Fund and you're not gonNA have enough cash on hand to at least have that minimum of two thousand four hundred sixty seven bucks on then we would say onto that money to sure you have a little bit of padding in the next place. You want to prioritize pudding that stimulus money putting your tax refund is other retirement accounts so next to HSA's Roth IRA's your 401k. Putting it even more above and beyond that matching contribution and also taxable brokerage accounts if your job is solid. You've got solid savings start. Investing more now is a great time to be investing even more of your money and take advantage of the tax breaks associated with funding. These accounts to it's unfortunate that our economy is at such a low point but if you have been saving diligently for quite a while and you have this cash on hand and you you basically been saving for a rainy day really really well. This gives you a greater flexibility to be able to invest even more for the long haul even more for your future and you're doing so at a time to while the market is on sale and that makes it an even better move so the more you can invest but invest from a position of strength. Then we would say. Go for it if you go united discussed how we were. Both you know looking to invest a lot of money in retirement accounts into our Roth. Ira's making sure are. We should clarify that. A lot of money doesn't mean millions we're talking about thousands hopefully maximum roth. Ira amount would write a six thousand dollars right. But like that's something that Kate and I did and I honestly man I don't like Warren Buffett going to buy a company right that companies undervalued. I'm going to purchase that entire company. We're talking about stocks that are in index funds. So we're talking about hundreds of different companies right like we mentioned weeks ago like this is something that Kate and I have done and I hope I don't regret it. I do think it was a wise move Ryan given given the circumstances but again we just don't know where the economy's going we don't know what personal situation is going to look like. Nobody does and so that is why cash is so important. That's why it emergency fund that's fully stocked. You know we're talking. 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We're back we're talking about what to do with your stimulus money what to do with your tax refund and we did just cover a lot of you know important personal finance stuff but let's kind of take a moral philosophical angle on this too and that's something. I think probably we include a little bit here and there but it's not the tact that we take frequently but I think it's important that we do bring this up especially on today's episode. And so what about giving your money away? What about giving away a portion of this stimulus money or your tax refund? And so now. We've talked about this before a long time ago. I'm sure I don't know early on in the podcast about how to give your money away. And that's something that we feel strongly about that. The more money we give away that we donate the more resources that we bring in that we use to help other people it helps create healthy detachment from our money and also gives us a chance to see that the money that we have can make an impact. It's bigger than ourselves. And a tiny little side benefit. Is that giving money away to nonprofit? Organizations also gives a tax break to but while the tax break is nice. That's not why we do it. We truly believe that if you've been fortunate and you've been given more than you need that it's important to give some of that wealth away. Yeah Jill just the very act of giving money away. It's just a good practice for us to develop right. Our show is called how to money. It's all about money and while it is so important in allies personal finance. It's a big deal because it can have a big impact on how you spend your life if you understand the principles behind personal finance right. However that doesn't mean seeking after lots of money or having that be kind of our end all focused for that to be something that we're trying to amass. Let's not part of the philosophy of our show right. That's not how you and I approached money personally and the reason we talk about giving our money away because we do feel that. It is an important aspect of personal. Finance personal findings isn't just about making sure that you get the best deal making sure you're earning as much as possible. I work Making sure that you know how to invest it but also has to do with making sure that we're being thoughtful and generous when when it comes to others especially to others in need. Yeah we don't want to have that scrooge mcduck mentality right and it'd be like swimming our money other people around us are in need and we could use that money really well and so on that note. Matt the question has been asking. Articles have been written about what to do with your stimulus money. And whether there's a moral obligation on our part use it well and to give it some of it away so do people who don't need this individual stimulus check have any sort of obligation to give some of this money away. I appreciate the heart in that question and so when I first heard about these checks being sent out to all Americans I kind of had this similar thought that well why am I getting a check for my family when we don't really need it. It feels a little weird. I hated knowing that a family like ours. Who still gainfully employed at the same. Time would beginning money win. Potentially a third of Americans might be out of work right so I would say that if you want to give a portion or even all of your stimulus check away to nonprofit. Then do it. If you're on solid financial footing you can afford to give all that money away. I think that's admirable and at the same time. Many nonprofits are feeling the pain in this downturn. Two they're also acutely hit by the economy going into a tailspin. So but the one thing I would. Caution is to not do it out of guilt. I think sometimes that can be a purely reactionary thing and we might decide that we want to give it away because we feel guilty. But I don't think we should feel guilty about this stimulus money and don't think we should feel guilty about a tax refund and give out of guilt but I think if we give from a good place a good heart then we of course would encourage giving her goal also isn't too guilt trip. Anybody for not feeling guilt for receiving their stimulus. Check right some people I haven't thought about it didn't even cross my mind. I was just like well who well. Here's the thing is that. Hopefully nobody feels any guilt or sense. Shame for receiving their stimulus. Check in of course. There shouldn't be any emotions at all. It's either you receiving like your tax refund check and so maybe a healthy way to think of your stimulus check specifically. Is this right. Think about it as if essentially the government is saying that they think that you know how to best use and spend that money in your corner of the universe maybe in your specific neighborhood you can see who needs help better than the federal government can like this makes sense there in Washington. You are on the ground living on your street. You know in your neighborhood now. You see the businesses. The families that are hurting right by you exactly so if you see need if you know of someone or some place in particular restaurants you know that need help then that should direct. Where your money goes? If you're unsure of what to do with that money just look around. Look for the need because that'll allow you to be efficient in to put that money towards businesses and individuals effectively while also you know you know that you'll have sort of a an altruistic heart behind that giving or spending yet and I think it is important to note what the intention behind these stimulus payments are. The government has set up a lot of aid for small businesses. The government has set up a lot of aid for people. Who are unemployed. The Cares Act has also provided relief for people and their student loans. And said you don't have to pay for six months. So there is a lot of specifically targeted money going out towards the people in the greatest need but these stimulus payments were specifically created in order for individual Americans to feel like they had the ability the extra ability to spend more in this time. That's because seventy percent of the American economy is driven by consumer spending and so the fact that it feels like free money from the government that actually incentivizes our behavior. They want us to think of it like free money. They want us to go and spend it so buying goods and services from your favorite nearby business is a good use of this money and so I would say because of that intention because of the thought process behind sending money to most Americans that you shouldn't feel undeserving the funds from this bill. And if you don't necessarily need it giving away supporting local businesses. Those are great places to put it but also because of that intention. You shouldn't feel guilt and shame. Yeah and you know on a practical note under normal economic conditions. We've discussed our dislike for gift cards but given the crisis that we're in they have actually become a fantastic way for us to support our local businesses. We only have more gift cards than we have ever had in our entire life except for maybe when I got married you remember when you get married all yeah. I don't know gift certificates gift cards. They kind of show up like a bowl. Djing ZIP bag of gift cards at that point in time but since then this is an all time high for us but also. That's not the only way that you can directly help. Local businesses go fund me. They have a page where you can go and you can search for local businesses to support. And you can just do that by entering your zip code will link to that page in our show notes. Man I love this direct approach and it's a great way for you to help businesses while keeping it local as well plus it keeps me from from gaining too much weight because how much takeout takeout. I. I sort of feel this this pressure as a citizen of my local community to support all of all my favorite establishments. But we don't normally eat out nearly this much so you being able to delay some of that through gift cards or being able just to send some of that money directly to some of these restaurants in particular man has been a great way actually hopped on there. I saw one of our favorite local places. The Earl there at the top of the list right there in a lot of folks are chipping in and they're really close to meeting their goal. It's really happy to see that as one of our local favorite spots to go see an awesome show right. It's a little grungy maybe touch seedy. But they've also got a really good Burger and actually when you're there. Yeah let alone if you and I both show outright but mainly so many shows there through the years it's such a good place so yeah those establishments that have special tie to your heart that you have a special relationship with those are the places we should be specifically targeting supporting in this time. That's right I mean it's not just about investing and being smart with our money but we also want to make sure that we're kind of spending it and putting it towards things that matter to us. Yes a really the last thing to say we talked about giving it away. We talked about the moral dilemma. And I think typically what we would say to someone who does come into some sort of windfall money. Matt right is whether it's a tax refund or the stimulus check in normal times we would say take ten percent of it and blow it like have fun with at least a portion of it because in part prioritizing today over your future isn't bad right. That's a huge part of the ethos behind the show. That's right we want to enjoy the moment. We want to enjoy what we have. We want enjoy the craft beer in front of us while we're saving wealth for the future and feel like for our listeners in particular who are in a really good financial spot who have their savings ducks in a row who are able to continue to invest during this downturn and it's actually going to make them wealthier over the long term. Well it almost feels like a bit of a civic duty right now that we should be spending and supporting the businesses. We love the most. I don't think we can feel comfortable across the board telling everyone to go out and spend all that stimulus money but for some of our listeners. That is going to be the best way that they can use it by spending and giving it away and again you're not talking about spending that entire amount like you just said ten percent. I think if we can spend a small portion of this windfall towards something that we feel like is more of a splurge. Then that's A. That's a healthy thing to do with your money. In a double win win win situation if you can splurge and spend that money on a company that you want to support. I know for me personally. I've been I in this bicycle. Made by American company called Salsa Bicycles. Have you ever heard of them before? No but it doesn't sound like an American company. Sounds like a South American south of the border by no they make some some really amazing bikes. And I've kind of been talking about this for a year. I'm sure listeners are like just by. The stupid bike did you. But I tend to over research in. Take my time with these kind of purchases. But I'm hoping to kind siphon a portion of that money towards a bike that I ride by myself you know we. We've got the cargo bike where the kids can read on it. But I don't really have a solid multi-speed bike that I can ride around town. Go places on my own without this giant cargo area behind me very seventy pound bike that you're hauling so heavy and I don't have like the easiest either so it's all it's all muscle. I enjoy reading by the girls but sometimes I just want to go out there by myself. So I'll keep you posted if I actually pulled the trigger. I think I'll check out their bikes to you. Never heard of them but enough about me. Man Let's talk about Joel. Have you thought any about what you might put some of your stimulus towards I like eating out more than you do so definitely more? My money's GonNa go towards that continuing to support the restaurants. We love and care about the breweries too. So yeah I haven't thought of any bigger ticket items yet but we'll see. I don't know I'll talk it over with with emily. Maybe we'll come something. Oh I haven't talked about the bike with Kate so she just present all right the twenty percent as a family. How about that? All right? That works too are well yes speaking of Burris or drinking a beer from one of our favorite local breweries today on the show that we had was space lettuce. It's a double. Ip from our buds. It Monday night. What was your take on the Spearman? This is such a good like classic. Ifa space lettuce quickly becoming one of my favorite go. To's now the Monday night is caning this beer. I don't I don't think they're doing it year round but they're doing it fairly regularly. I'll say that and I'll say there's so much in a name so this is called space lettuce and I feel like like the lettuce makes me think of cabbage. Which then makes me think of like Stinky hops? You know what I'm saying so like as I drink beer it kind of makes me think that this beer is good for me. Like like meeting my veggies. You know what I'm GonNa go with that like that. Yeah that's at least one serving of vegetables absolutely and so. This is a really well balanced beer. This is a double so this isn't one that you can maybe should drink every day but at least once a week in a nice craft beer. It's alright to kind of dip your toes into the water and get something. That's a little bit bigger. I really like this beer. This is when I know that you and I both we. We've got a bunch of these in our fridge. Yeah because it's such a good solid i. Yeah so I think this is in my mind kind of an in between the old school style of Ip in a new school style Nice. It's a mix of juicy and sticky. It's got this clear Pale. Orange Color Man. I think it's got these intergalactic flavors that I'm a huge fan of so yes base lettuce for Monday night. If you see it on shelves at Your Grocery Store or package store you should totally pick it up and we've done a beer giveaway within before I'll look for one of those coming up here in the future. We'll we'll have to swing by. There grabbed a bunch of cans and yeah. 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"Good afternoon today. Is Friday may Fifteenth Twenty Twenty? And today. We're GONNA talk about all the leaks from this past week at a whole lot more because this is the show. Join US on the show. Today is expert therapist and founder of Westmount therapy DOT COM Georgia Dow. Welcome to the show. That's my intro thing it was. You're so much better. There was still much better dub dub that over mine and also joining us on. This show is managing editor of. I'm our Joe. Keller give us your rock and roll show. Joe Absolutely will not do that. He's answer is no no just no hard no many different universes many different lengths. But we all have that in our soul. There's no one day Joe I'll get you to yelp so before we continue with this Episode I WANNA give a quick spoiler alert now. I normally wouldn't say something like that when we're talking about leaks in rumors because they're always just rumors but in this case these leaks are pretty spot on so it's legitimate. You're gonNA find out what's coming out this year. It's almost definitely going to happen. So if you don't WanNa hear about it. Skip ahead ten minutes and will hopefully be talking about that but we aren't going ahead another ten minutes. We're going to be talking a lot about leaks. I'm not even calling him rumors because they're pretty pretty detailed in pretty correct from from what I can tell. Nothing is confirmed by Apple. But this is all information that we're pretty close to believing so let's get started with A leak that actually just came out. I believe today or yesterday. Which is information about Apple's rumored Apple glasses or glasses. Or whatever you're GONNA call them at this point. We may not know win. But we know they're coming and jump Rosser. Who is the the leak experts from? Twenty nineteen to twenty twenty where we're all onboard with John. He's got lots of things to say he's been on our show. We were very lucky to have him. he just told us yesterday. No today actually. It would just happened today That he has seen apples glasses in with his own eyes. Maybe has even got them in his own possession. We're not sure Definitely seen them and he believes that they are expected for March of June march or June of twenty twenty. Which is actually a little different. When I'm wet Ming Chico had said previously which is that he didn't doesn't expect them till twenty twenty so John Though he loves MSCI quos expertise he actually is going against him on this one and saying actually. I think it's a year from now not two years from now so joe. I know you're very excited about the potential of what apple's air glasses could be. What do you think what would you? What is this? How does it feel for you? I I like the sound of it. Certainly sleek next year instead of two years from now You know two of my my major benchmarks there. Yeah yeah the glasses. We've been hearing about those for. I might have still been writing news regularly when we were when we started to hear about those but Yeah I'm excited. I'm excited about the prospect of those being a early to mid twenty twenty one product and it kind of lines up with Certain other leagues that have come out in the past of Software there were John Prosser mentioned something called starboard and this is supposed to be the internal codename for the. Ui of glasses. Just like springboard is the internal name for the the launcher the launcher of of the home screen and APP. Launching System Starboard has been something that there were references to kind of early on in the irs thirteen Beta and release life cycle that were eventually removed but it sort of indicates that yet glasses at least were maybe possibly are a relatively around the corner project product for That we might see so Georgia if we were it we don't know what these these air or possibly VR glasses Can actually do so. You are actually kind of an expert on virtual reality you've got you've got a room dedicated to virtual reality dot you do in. I would think so. I think we're all assuming that this is going to be air glasses not VR. Glasses in other words is going to be something that you could potentially wear on a daily basis. Possibly even while you're out walking around yeah and I think that's really cool. It's different than Room apples also rumored to be working on a headset more of a VR and augmented at the same time But this would be a standalone. We believe will be a standalone device. That you can wear even if you're not with your watch and your phone. Which is the weirder part to me is that it's not gonna be using it to like even now the watch though you can kind of use it stand alone does a lot of the you know the legwork inbetween your phone and yet usually more things with it so this would be kind of a standalone device. That would look like regular glasses and yet similar to Google. Glass would be feeding you all kinds of interesting information about the world around you for me. It would be great for directions for like I'd love some incoming messages. I'd love to be able to answer phone calls and I would love to just find out like the terminator I'd like to find out about the world around me and get more information without having to to look at it And so it's it's kind of exciting to see because again apple really does like again the only with the date. Apple's going to make sure that this works out really well before they're going to release it they don't WanNa have. They don't want to have the same thing that happened with. Google lost to happen with them so I think that they're going to make sure that this prototype really works well before they're gonNA decide to go ahead but if they're already here. We're hearing dates. Runaround this is much sooner than we had expected which was like you know three years like I was thinking three five years. We're going to have something that's really workable but this is in the near future. That is vastly It's it's very exciting. I keep coming back to this. Fear that it's too early so the the one thing that we've known for for quite a while with apple is that they're very good at reading the market and waiting until the market tells them tells apple what's needed and the Apple. Watch for example was kind of the mistake in that Apple. Put out an the apple. Watch before wearables had really gotten popular enough so the first iteration of Apple Watch was a little confused it. It was hard to figure out what was good for and five iterations later. It's actually the perfect wearable it but they basically kind of put out a Beta in in a sense of apple. Watch to begin with because there wasn't a lot of market testing to determine what's popular so is a are. Are these glasses? Are they going to suffer from that? Same issue of the first iteration is actually going to be confusing and not make any sense at all of our friends are going to tell us. We're done for having them and then five years later. Everybody's walking around with apple glasses or do you think A. R. Georgia. You can maybe talk about this but do you think a is already ready for a pair for wearables. I don't think so. I think that there are some of us. That are heavily on the bandwagon already. But I think that we're the few. I think that there is still the factor of people feeling uncomfortable about being possibly watched or having data. That is about van. That's out there. I so I think that it is really early for that. I think actually the Apple. Watch will have a better reception than the glasses will because Google's when they came out did make people feel really uncomfortable. They is they were very obvious and bulky released then you knew right the thing is is that people that are looking at you are actually paying attention to you is even more distracting than at least. If I looked down at my watch I can turn it off and so I think that this is going to cause a whole bunch of different issues that will need to solve in society in schooling. Because they're supposed to look pretty sleek and like like glasses which I think in the end wearables like in the end. We want our technology where it's knocking. It's it's on US instead of having to be carried by us. That's easier so I think that that's where we are going with our technology that is going to be closer and closer until it is internally part of us which comes up with all kinds of other black mirror type scenarios but. I. I think that you're right. I think that it's going to have a whole bunch of backlash a whole bunch of questions. A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES. That are we're going to have to look into because you know technology is good but it's also bad and so they're gonNa have to think very carefully of what even though they could put a camera on it do they with that then caused positives or negatives. Joe I think that actually in terms of where will wearables and privacy is an interesting question because you know what I'm wearing my apple watch expect you know some of that data anonymised or whatever is going to go to apple so they know they can improve the watch and you know make the next version of the watch? Better that sort of thing. I kind of expect that. But there's no camera on the watch so I'm not necessarily worried about the privacy of other people with regards to the watchman when it comes to something like glasses. I think one of the one of the biggest questions about this practice product is. Will it have a camera mounted to it at this point? I'm actually not sure that it will apple back. In March apple released the new IPAD pro with a light sensor. And it's a pretty small light or sensor. I think I think apple's a are pro push has primarily been about this glasses project. That's my personal theory. I think that's the personal theory of a lot of people but I think lighter in terms of capturing distance data and Envir- other environmental data. I think that might be the primary way of doing that. It might not have a camera at all. Plus that's you know if they forgo a camera I mean. Say you need an iphone to take if you really WanNa take pictures? Get an IPHONE. And there's also the privacy angle and that's hardware that they don't have to put the glasses making it that much easier to make them smaller. Yeah and again. Even with lighter it brings up a bunch of privacy issues of and data issues right. We go back into this Orwellian world where it used to be in the the book. The government's putting cameras all over the place but now we're putting cameras into our personal life and it's difficult to turn it off even with the Apple. Watch you know when and other watches like you know when your heart rate goes up. Sometimes that means your stress. Sometimes that means you're getting amorous with your special person. Do you really want that to be tracked on your watch? These different information that is very personal in nature and with something that is so comfortable on your face and let's say that you could even have you know it is your pair of glasses. You don't have to wear on top of glasses you can you know. Put It on and keep it on and this would be your main pair of glasses. It's been tracking all kinds of things that the other person may not want this information to be out there. And then how do we keep it? Secure when it's GonNa be all over the place and very useful and helpful. I think I think I might be a little bit of a disagreement on any kind of light are sensor or or Camera of any kind on on apple glasses both for for reasons that you're both saying which is the privacy insecurity issue. Maybe in a future iteration but I think out the gate. The biggest mistake apple could make is putting something on a pair of glasses that makes people feel unsafe or feel like their privacy might be affected so you and Georgia I think potentially at least at first that would also mean that it would have to be tied with your iphone or possibly your Apple Watch and and maybe by twenty twenty one apple watch will be a standalone. And so you wouldn't need your iphone Even decided up or something like that you know we might be like other technologies might be more advanced to allow for Apple Glasses to be standalone but also need to be supported by different device. And here's why Think about use cases for A are glasses. You're talking about Something that helps you with direction so that you look up and Yuxi an Arrow that points leftover ride or something like that. You don't need a camera for that. Your phone doesn't use it the camera to give to give you the directions in your apple. Watch doesn't use a camera to tap you on the wrist. When it's time to turn left to right so you could still have this. Location data That's so it's using accelerometers and and other location sensors but not an actual camera and I realized that lighter is very important for the advancements of placing three d objects in front of you for example and. Ar and lighter. They you know they. They go hand in hand. But if if the if our use case is the intent to go out in the world with them. I don't think we need lighter. I think we need things like notification. It's like an apple. Watch on your face. You know we get the notifications we get The the Direction information maybe we walk up to a business were standing in front of the business and we don't know it is and we can pull up apple maps that will tell us based on where we're standing what we're looking at So in the when it comes to a pair of glasses you put on your face. You don't want a camera and apple is definitely not gonNa scare us with with something that everybody in the room can be like. I don't want you in this room with me because you might be filming me because you have a camera on your is They're going to do. They're going to do something to protect that version if they do any kind of camera or light art with Three d rendering and all that kind of wonderful stuff that we're excited to see where we can drop a couch right in our living room. I think that changes completely changes. The dynamic of what air glasses by apple are going to be. There's two different versions. There's one that could be a daily where where you take it outside. Use It for directions and stuff things like that or a completely different use case a different type of Ar glasses which are only intended for at home use. Which would be for. Maybe you're sitting in front of your computer and your Typing but you're typing screen is actually right in front of you or for video games. A are video games or something like that. It's not meant to leave the house. It's meant to be your at home device and I you know. I think both of them are an option but I think based on the descriptions were hearing. It's more likely to be the kind of glasses that we take out. Which means I think. Apple is not going to risk our fear of privacy and security by sticking a camera on that thoughts on that and then Apple also just to throw that in there. Apple has confirmed that it acquired next. Vr It next year is a A are VR service that connects people to Live concerts So when you You know you can go see a basketball game or you can go see You know beyond say or something like that and it shows like there's people there at the event that are using their three dimensional cameras and they're filming the crowds the floor the ceiling the concert itself or Basketball Games. It's a all the way around so the everywhere you look. You're actually able to see the game and being merced in it. So you know the this is another example of what use cases are we gonNA see these these Ar Vr headset? Four is GonNa be something like I put these glasses on and the world around me disappears. Which is more like something that would have a our camera and a a camera inside of it. And you're you are shut off from the world and you're watching a concert or is it something more like an ar interactive experience where you're walking around so these are all still things that are very known we might get Ideas of what they look like and how soon we're getting him but what they're going to be used for is really kind of like the hardest thing for us to predict mainly because there's nothing out there that exists like that yet so we're still not sure what what we need a are four. Will you know thinking about that like the there are acquisition of next? Is that now in this like like isolation world where you don't know how long it's GonNa be like. This is a great time for them to acquire like an if and this is just me being totally crazy now there if with your subscription to the whatever basketball game that you're going to get to watch you get a pair of glasses so you get to be there even though you're not there but it feels like it and it does really feel like it. I. I know you've also done the movie theater experience when you're watching a movie in a VR simulated theater and it was pretty awesome. I really enjoyed it. It was a lot of fun. It's not the same but it was a lot of fun and you can go to the washroom and get your own refreshments and no one's GonNa pour beer on you and that's really nice Unless you like that which is fine too okay But you can see how that would be. People could get subscriptions and then they can still make money in your there but if they sent you the glasses with these subscription package. It all came with it. This could be gangbusters because people are really sad about missing out on all of these live sport events. So it's live ish ish. Yeah I like that. I loved the idea that You know you pay for your season of a basketball game or basketball season or something like that you know like espn or something and they just send you a pair of apple glasses to to watch the games. That sounds really fun. It would be totally would happen but it would be a great thing to then everyone would have them and you know then you could do like you know one on ones with your favorite people because like you know because of space. It wouldn't matter because they could be one hundred of you all next to while they're training and they can do all kinds of cool interactive experiences. Joe Am I going just way too far here dream big. Don't courtesy Laurie. It's Joe is if you could do Some kind of interactive glasses. What you what would you pick? Would you do sports? Would you do something else? Go to baseball games space much. Yeah I must base police new. Would you sit in on? Would you sit in the dug-out like if you know if they have like some kind of special additional if that was an option they wouldn't make that an option by option? Yeah attend the DUGOUT for game. Sure that'd be cool if you could hear everything that people discuss while they're in the dugout. I think that would be a huge bonus. I think they people would get in trouble if we could hear what they're saying in the dugout. They're I think multiple reasons they don't let things like like like cell phones in dugout yet. Yeah that's probably true. Yeah some secrets are being exposed. In some bad words are being put words Here's another This one is a pretty strong rumor. I'M NOT GONNA call it a straight up leak but it's certainly a strong rumor because again this comes from Chico and it is that there will be another small. Sorry I'm trying to get to it. I lost my place here. Let me make sure I get the right thing. New to new ipads one of them. Coming as early as Later this year sometime. So quo says that Apple launch a ten point eight inch ipad possibly to replace the ten point five inch IPAD air and a mini that will be between eight point five inch and nine inches during the first half of twenty twenty one I. I wanted to talk about this when with Youtube. Because quo's rumor or leak in in connection with what already exists. Seem to be at odds with each other. The idea that he says as That the these ipads will be the affordable price tag and the adoption of fast chips. Much like the IPHONE. Se so the reason. It doesn't seem to Mesh well is that these are two new sizes which means apple will have to start from scratch with brand new casing which we know that immediately makes things more expensive. So you don't get to use the pre existing hardware which cuts down costs significantly. You're using brand new hardware if the only thing that's different is that this. The puzzles are further away. Which is why I said. The ten point The ten point eight inch ipad might actually be like the ten point five inch IPAD air. Which already has slimmer vessels than it used to have. It would be even slim. I guess So you would you immediately kind of increasing the price because you have new hardware and there and secondly With the adoption of faster adoption faster chips the ipad. Air Already has an eight twelve ship in it. So are we getting the fourteen ship in because the other rumors that we're hearing is that in order to keep costs down at is going to update the IPAD the standard. I've had the ten point. Two inch IPAD It currently has an eight ten ships. So it'll get an a twelve ship that to me makes sense but changing the screen size or changing even the case. Size of these ipads. Don't keep them at the low cost so Georgia I mean this. Is You know coming from analysts. Who HAS BEEN? Who's known for having good good information? Even though I like to joke that he's he hasn't been as on his game as he has been lately but it also doesn't his his his league doesn't Mesh with its own information right. It's the only it makes like if they have the same case size doesn't it's not going to be a whole research and development that they have to place into this. This is the time for them to come out with a very affordable. I think that distance learning is a huge thing. A lot of schools are now investing in tablets to send home because not everyone can afford to have a whole computer and so having an affordable ipad. Where you know. They're not that expensive but they're still pretty expensive in comparison to what you can get out right now so it makes sense for them to go into the market so I can understand that but I think that you're absolutely right. Have a different size where there have to deal with a lot of research and development plus if they actually have to go through like now it's hard even to get things out because of the amount of isolation and you can't mass produce things. I don't see them going in where they're gonNA be spending a lot of time in order to have different size You know if they could find a way to do this cheaply or even I could see apple even taking a loss like they did when they put the maximum to the schools just to get them in the school so people learn because unfortunately what's happening now is a lot of people are going to chromebooks because they're they're more affordable and because of that they're losing out on the market you get kids you indoctrinate early and I'm just gonNA use the doctorate. It's true you're riding are avalon like me but it's okay But you start early and then you learn a certain system you WANNA stick in your comfort zone. And so I think it's really important for apple to be part of that market because you lose a whole generation and then you want your one ecosphere you will stay in that ecosphere right and so. I think that they could do it but I don't think that they would be actually changing the casing size to that because of the difficulties milling and they would have to then go through a whole bunch of new setups for all of their machining. And where it would be that. I don't see happening but I do see that. They could use one of the sizes that they already have and then send them out with a more affordable set of chips to get them into this market. That is now going to be exceptionally hot for Take Home Easy and affordable. Joe So I I have a theory about what these are assuming that these are actual products that are coming. I think these are face idea equipped IPAD air and IPAD mini. Okay okay. So that's still at I like I is though. Do you think that they will be so on the size? Ten point in ten point eight inches feels like a good like it. It's not a massive jump but it is like ten inches on us on such a small screen is going to be A. it's GonNa be Kinda notable But I think this is more but that that I think is gonNA come from getting rid of the home button and slimming down the Basil's on what we might call the top and bottom the face. I D camera and th the plug inside if you the of the IPAD. This this is exactly so the way. They're described a ten point edge IPAD and a eight point five to nine inch ipad mini. These are small size differences but could mean losing the vessels getting them almost completely gone which Joe also means losing the Chin. Losing the forehead. You're losing the home button so one of the things. The apple likes to do when it can like if it is going to change the case size of something or a screen size and you saw this with the twentieth. Eighteen eleven inch IPAD. They like to say it's almost the same so it's the same size that it's almost the same size as the last thing but it's got a big screen and eight point. You know at eight point five to nine inches. They could do almost exactly that with the IPAD mini and so I mean the thing about Pricing when we're talking these. The IPAD mini in the IPAD. Air are apples mid range tablets. So they still have the the lower cost one at three hundred and thirty bucks and that worries that's supposed to get an update probably to a twelve. I would imagine that the air and the the mini go to either the eighth thirteen or fourteen fourteen if they're coming up next year And so yeah. That's what I think is going on here. They'll you know they probably adopt the industrial design of the The current IPAD pro. Which I think a lot of people have been hoping for like an ipad. Pro kind of design on an ipad mini plunged everything. Plus they have they will probably have compatibility with the Apple Pencil too so you get the Apple Pencil so you get the Apple Pencil. One with the standard baseline three thirty. I three hundred thirty dollar pen. And then you get the apple two with everything else and that's kind of an easy bifurcation there because right now and get the Apple Pencil. One with most of them and then the envelope until two with the IPAD pro. So you're thinking what we're going to see is the three three hundred twenty. Nine dollar IPAD will stay the three hundred twenty nine dollars IPAD and Georgia. You are even maybe arguing. Maybe we'll even drop the price of that. In order to help people help more people get into. Maybe it'll go to ninety nine. But they're not changing it. Maybe they'll put in an H. Wolf processor chip. But that's it. They're not doing anything different so they can keep the cost down possibly even lower the cost. But Joe what you're saying. Is that the IPAD air and the IPAD mini are going to get a complete redesign. Potentially this will make them more expensive because there will be new casings new screens new displays new technology. That the face ideas going to have to have the the true depth camera in it so there they'd have to bump that price up from the IPAD mini at three ninety nine. I'm not sure I can see them. Keeping that three nine price tag for an IPAD mini while also adding face. Id almost basil screen completely new casing and that could happen. But I mean apple could price them pretty aggressively. Even if they raise the price I I could see them doing this for Four ninety nine for the mini and five ninety nine for the air and that's still puts them at the Mid Range Price. It puts it in striking distance of the pro of the eleven inch. Pro But apple already does that with the macbook air and the the thirteen inch macbook pro. So I mean some melding of the of the price isn't out of the question and I think on the on the topic of the baseline ipad. They could keep the ten point. Five inch formed factor around. Grow that screen just a little more To the immigrant pat. Ten point five to ten point. Eight is not very big. That's that's a very small stretch. Neither really is ten point. Two to ten point five winch. Ten point two is the current size of the the baseline IPAD and They could they have the they have the parts around. They have the tooling in the factory. For ten point five inches for the because that's the current size the air and then they don't have to make any more any new accessories like they don't have to make a new smart keyboard or consular cases or anything they all of those things already exist four people to buy for the new baseline IPAD. If it if you know they don't have to change devices into just a screen it would just be a screen size update and they can do it relatively cheaply and just you know they put a twelve in there and they can keep it at three twenty nine or even go to ninety nine is a think the education price at the thing already so yeah. They could even do that. I the only thing is that for schools that cannot afford it. And if they're going in I still think even with their education price discount which is to nine four-night partisan amazing price. I still think it's way too much when we're thinking of you can get Chromebook prices for like one hundred and sixty dollars rate or they even have like a by you pay monthly. I don't know if if apple has a monthly fee that schools can pay instead of paying chunk. I'm assuming that they should or would but I think that they still would have to drop the price for massive amounts of schools to be able to deal with it. I think to nine nine is still too pricey for many schools in for many areas in The states right now. I'm you know that's a really good point Georgia in especially when you consider and I bring this up now because it's relevant now with the ipad with the chromebook you you know you're getting a keyboard and track pet in that price and you know that's a great way to interact with a computer as keyboard track pad and the the cheapest. Combo that you can get right now for any IPAD IS. I think it's a hundred and fifty dollars for Logitech sts Combo touch case with With a keyboard track pad accessory built into it. And you know that's so whatever you spend on the IPAD you're also you got to if you want that functionality. Also have to like bulk by those cases and Hansel. It's another two hundred Barcelos. Eighty nine dollars which is less. It's ten dollars off but that's a lot of money when you think about a school when you're talking about buying five hundred units or or more. Yeah Yeah and those pencils still way they charge you like you can see. I remember you saying you. Just WanNa go and break them on top sophisticated. Stop Right So I don't know if it would like you know for regular that's a great price. But if they're wanting to be really in the like they have to hit the gun now it has to be like I would love to say like one ninety nine over or you know and I think that God they offered that and then all the accessories for even if it was like three hundred for all the accessories with a or fifty really pushed that then we could have school systems. Where if they paid monthly so that the school does not have to worry about shelling out because they have budget numbers that they have to keep with An upgrade program for the schools because kids drop things a this could be a great thing for our education system and it's going to be distance education for a while. Yeah yeah that's very true and maybe we'll see that. Maybe we'll see apple's going to see the writing on the wall. They're very good at that. They're very good at recognizing the changing cultures in the world And we might see. Here's how we just like you said indoctrinate the young people. They're all sitting at home on an IPAD. Not a chromebook learning how to do things on it and suddenly those you know twenty years from now. They're all adults and they all have incomes and they're all buying new products and they're loyal apple fans because we know that to be true and like I'm one of them so I'm not. There's nothing yet. There's nothing about being an album fan and a loyal apple user But yeah that's exactly the Gr- a really great way to do it. And I think for so long apple just hasn't been able to like skinny up that profit margin enough to drop the price of it but the IPAD. The three hundred and twenty nine dollar ipad right. Now it's been around that casing all of the everything except for the chip has been around for so long that if all they do is put a new chip in it they could probably drop the price because even if they drop if they upgraded to the h well that's sterile by the end of this year. That's still two years old. So it's not gonNa cost as much and you know. Just get that number down just enough that entire school districts can go okay now. It's something we can by now. We can justify it now. It fits within our budget. It'd be great before we move on. I WanNa tell you about our sponsor for this week's episode of the ratio linked in learning. If your work life is anything like ours here is that I wore. You'll be you you've been having. Everything turned upside down recently. 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You can visit Lincoln learning dot com slash. I'm more to find out about dozens of free courses. That's linked in learning dot com slash. I'm more and thanks to Lincoln for sponsoring this week's episode of the. I'm more show so moving onto some more leaks. We are running a little short on time. So actually GONNA jump ahead to talk about the real thing. That is the spoiler alert. So if you're listening right now and you thought you skipped ahead of the spoilers. This is the one that I think is the most spoiler of everything which is pretty much everything about the iphone. Twelve so Georgia. Have you been trying to avoid spoilers? Are you or do you already know all the secrets to I? Don't yet actually so I'm kind of mighty just plug your ears for this one. I'm in I wanNA hear it because I'm I'm ready. I'm ready now on me. So let's go with and again. This is not official but this information does come from John Prosser who appears to have some very connected insiders that are giving them this information and so though it's still rumors and it's it's leaks. I'm personally I'm considering this to be about the official information as officials. It's going to be Joe. Do YOU WANNA go down. The list of the name of the device the size of the device and the price of the device. Plus there's more but those are the big ones all right. So let's start with I. Twelve iphone twelve this. I think might be the most intriguing one for me. It's supposed to be a five point. Four INCH DISPLAY. Which is a brand new size for? Apple's led display In that it is going to be no led display. According to this information and it's going to it's GONNA COME. In at one hundred twenty eight gigabytes and five hundred fifty two hundred fifty six thousand five hundred fifty two hundred fifty six gigabytes of storage And starting excitingly at six forty nine which we're back forty nine. We're back to six forty nine after all these years for a brand new phone size for super retina display display not liquid retina but super retina. So it's an Oh. Led screen Georgia at six forty nine. That's a good price. This seems like the craziest rumor. There's no way this is true but because of who it's coming from rive actually on board with us and I do believe this to be true and a brand new phone size had a four inch phone Mitch which which which goes to the thing of the ipad of like maybe been maybe great. Yeah they're gonNA maybe they can do it. They can put a brand new phone at six hundred fifty dollars completely new. That that's doable. Okay what's next show? Well it's interesting and especially in the context of the next phone we're GONNA talk about. Which is the IFA the IPHONE? Twelve Max so this is the Max is essentially the replacement phone for the IPHONE. Eleven takes that spot in the lineup. Because it is a six point one inch phone. It is also said to be an old phone. Led and it comes in at seven hundred forty nine dollars which is fifty dollars more than the current six point one inch mainstream phone the iphone eleven so it takes its spot in the lineup but increases the the price by fifty dollars but that matters less because we have the five point four inch iphone twelve at six forty nine. Yeah that is that. Is You know both of those together really interesting to me That they're going to be Led displays and starting at one hundred twenty eight gigabytes Up from sixty four with the baseline storage for years. Now that's actually really encouraging so moving on. We have another six point one inch phone the iphone. Twelve pro- This at the base level pro phone base level pro- Again is going to come in at nine hundred ninety. Nine dollars Also GonNa Start at one hundred twenty gigabytes interesting thing with this though is that it's GonNa it's going to have an led display but it's apparently going to have a different kind of a display one made by Samsung whereas the display on the iphone. Twelve and twelve. Max Are said to be made by We which I think makes the ipod touch. So we'RE GONNA we're we're definitely going to look at the Any quality differences on those but since apple designs its own displays and really just contracts out to be or Samsung for manufacturing. We're GONNA see. I don't think we're GONNA see as much variance as people might expect but I do expect there will be some And then we have our final flagship phone of the year. The iphone twelve pro Max. And that's going to start at ten ninety nine and like the Like the iphone twelve. It is also a new size at six point seven inches. Just a an absolute monster of it's like this. You're GonNa Haunt your phone this. Maybe that's GonNa be a foldable phone. Starting your own rumors Laura Gill that John Prosser so these are the information here is so incredibly detailed again so it. It really does kind of him to report to this. I think this is true. I think that Jon has been lucky enough to get some true insiders. Who are feeding him some information. Obviously it can all change. And that's the one thing that everybody knows is that even even if today he's right and he's giving correct information things could change later so As official as as unofficially officials that this is of course it can all change it at you know in the next couple of months. But let's talk a little bit about the fact that there's GonNa be a five point. Four inch screened phone. A six point seven inches creamed phone starting with five point four. 'cause you know how I am. I'm most excited about small things I've been using the IPHONE. Se for almost a month now. How long has it been? It's been a couple of weeks for sure and I fell in love with it. I've I have switched over from the IPHONE. Eleven pro to the IPHONE. Se Too. I know how it is Your primary it's primary phone and I I'm. I'm not ready regretting the decision. I have absolutely loved the smaller size. The thinner lightweight -ness of so this one is actually bigger than the IPHONE. Se the fantasy to is Four point seven inches. This one's five point four so I'm guessing in order to the form factor of what is currently the iphone eleven lineup. It's going to be longer. But it'll be as skinny as the IPHONE. Se to zomig sense ever. Since this rumor came out there was going to be a five point. Four inch iphone. I trying to picture what it looks like. And one of the one of the things we've heard is that these phones are also going to have smaller vessels so I I wonder if that's GonNa lead to something that is still as wide as we would expect that iphone to be so same aspect ratio but is physically. Actually you know as small or smaller even than the casing the iphone se. So it's a bigger display. One just like the icing is small. Yeah like they got rid of. Because they're getting rid of these are going to be the ones that are gotten rid of the roundedness and their square so they could really cut it at the edge is what you're saying Jones or what what. I'm really saying here so The iphone ten and the iphone eight came out in the same year and the IPHONE ten. You know it's an it was an edge to edge display. Just like you know all of the new phones. That aren't the se all of the current face id but it was about the same physical size as the. Ife as the standard iphone. Eight the four point seven inch which a four point seven inch screens. So we're looking at something with a bigger screen a smaller potentially smaller body and it doesn't 'cause they'd be getting rid of they wouldn't have a chin forehead and the side vessels Maybe thinner. Yeah I think that makes a lot of sense so that it would actually be not exactly the iphone. Se to size but very very close to it. But but it'd be a five point. Four scream well and the IPHONE. Se To is already very similar in size to the the iphone twelve pro not so much burton onto a pro. The iphone eleven pro The iphone eleven itself. The six thousand nine phone is a little bigger because that is a six point one at screen whereas the iphone eleven pro is five point eight if you can if you can see these. Were looking at the iphone s. e. with the iphone eleven pro. So like do you see that. Just like that's basically that's the difference between them. I'm I'm holding them. Like level at the bottom and like the difference on top is very small. Obviously they both have cases on them so that but yeah hides them a little bit but yeah I and so I think we might be looking at something. smaller even than the Than the current se Georgian. Would about this six point seven inch? I had well pro Max. That's a lot of words. The IPAD though the the radically fat very worried almost at seven inches. Six point seven. That's pretty cool. One point two inches smaller than IPAD. Mini scream yeah you know so. I usually do go like Joan. I do but I wanted still to be able to be to fit in my purse and you know when with with pants that have pockets because for women they get rid of the pockets because they liked torturous I'd like it to be able to fit in pockets. And that becomes really kind of monsters. I've really tiny hands and so I still think I would probably want the larger real estate for the screen and go. You know it really would depend on you know. Is this now too large and I've done. I've done the huge phones before. And there's that point of like you're like this is now really difficult to manage but I probably would be. Yeah getting the largest phone of of the phones that exist that I found that exists today. All the way back to the iphones that have always existed. You know all through time. What's your ideal size? Would it be something like the eight plus or would it be something like the eleven pro? Max I really do like the a plus I'd do. It was a beautiful phone. I enjoyed a so. It's interesting because for for day to day. Quick use. I like something. That's easy to put my hand in easy to carry around when I am doing a lot of surfing on the net. I like to with this phone. If I'm doing a lot of surfing I will actually go like I'm GonNa grab my computer. I'M GONNA get my macbook. I'm going to use that instead. Whereas before all be honest on the eight pro like It was I I would just stay on it. I would just stay. I would not feel that need because it's all like it's pretty big. I can see everything pretty well. I don't have to worry. It's easy enough to game on and so I stuck with the phone for the entire amount of time but bringing it around. It was a heavy clunky phone. Yeah so what I'm thinking is. How are they just like what? Joe is saying that a five point four inch phone could actually be the four point. Seven inch phone. Sc with no vessels could a six point seven inch iphone. Twelve pro. Max. Be An iphone eight plus without vessels. I think there's a chance for that. Think and again we're talking about completely new cases which means completely new form factors. It's possible that apple is going to back off from the skinny tall iphone. Look and go back to the eight seven six look which is a little bit wider a little squatter and just get rid of the the the Basil's so you're getting more screen but you're not getting bigger phone. I would be into. That'd be into trying it whenever we have a different form factor. There's a little bit of a learning curve and the sites at first a little bit. Weird or feel squished or squatted and in bothers me touch. I do notice that in my games are a little bit off. You're going to have to go back through it. But if it was not I would I would appreciate. I don't mind it to be. Why find that? These phones are a little bit longer than I would like in. I actually like a more stout And you know a larger aspect ratio instead of a longer aspect ratio actually prefer that I might be the only one C. and I'm almost opposite way. I would prefer the iphone to get longer and thinner across the screen now. Is that because you use it more for surfing and e mail whereas I use it differently. Defendant use it more as a one handed device like okay so Georgia when you when you're using a larger phone for your opening safari and going to a website Are Using it you know in portrait orientation or you going landscape with that okay so okay so I do both depending on what. I'm doing watching a video. Then I'm I'M GONNA I'M GONNA landscaping it and if I'm surfing the web that I'm stuck on portrait motor email. I'm stuck on portrait mode If I'm reading a book it really depends on like I don't know I do both depends on the scrolling from where go through it but I do try have. My hands are small so it is hard for me to one. Hand the phone even if like going to sleep and I want to only one hand to the other hand Colt cold so I understand what you mean to be able to deal with it. And when I had that that you talkin on the phone I had one of those little hand attachment so I can hold the phone with one hand and then kind do of sproule around. I still couldn't reach all four corners And I don't like the little keep like the thing that makes it all squished down. So you can one on the phone. I found that very difficult for me and upsetting. I WanNa phone where I don't have to activate the left or right handed keyboard mode Off Loveless White Keyboard Swipe keyboard but that's the only way I can use it. Really one handed is to the even even on this. This is the minus the eight five point in its pro and it's just a little too little wide for me so I might. Who knows. I might get the standard iphone twelve this year. Five point four inches. I mean that is a very attractive thing. I I like getting the getting the pro. I like having the three cameras in case we need them on the pro but I mean man so I think the rimmer was for while that the five point four inch phone was going to be the twelfth pro instead of the regular twelve. And you know who knows how that's GonNa work out but Georgia one of actually one other question. I've got for you and the current sort of rumor is that the leak even is that the design of these phones is going to be certain flat edges like the Like the five like we last saw like the five and five s era as we last saw in the original iphone. Se that lorries beloved se. Are you if you're thinking about that? Six point seven inch phone or even one handing a smaller phone. Are you worried at all about those edges possibly at an cutting into your hand or being uncomfortable with similar? I'm one of the ones that I like. The rounded edges on the phone. Interestingly I think that it makes me like the the phones are probably much more slippery and I've I think I've dropped more phones with rounded edges as well so it might be better for me pocket rip and to be able to pick it up But I I liked the feel of a phone. That's kind of soft in my. You Know Delicate Laura. You like better the square design. Hi Love the flat edge design. I I'm so excited about. Why do you like the flooded better so for me? It's feel. I like the feel of the roundedness freeze. It's a design aesthetic. I like the way it looks. I like so it's the little things right okay. So it's not just that it's got a flat edge. There's this tiny little champ for. It's a tiny little angle so goes flat angle and then screen and like how did apple design that that beautiful little edge right there that just it all on the back side or the meat. Oh Gosh it's such a beautiful little thing I it. It's always been just absolutely exquisite to have. I was sad when they moved over to the curved edge. One even though like it's a new look I I always oh and then when I when they I've had pro went back to that design finally. Yeah so I am very excited about these new iphones. If that that rumors true which again jump prosser did leaks some schematics that points to this actually being being real. They're an an ill. Looks good and there might even be a smaller notch. I assume that would mean a new face cameras. And we'll see here's where I am on. That is smaller notch. Great you know. I guess. Bigger Horan's bigger Hornets. But I don't know I really don't care about the size of the notch until they can get rid of actually get rid of it. Get rid of it. Yeah Fair with you on that you know is that. There's no notch lovers. I don't think I don't think anyone's love with the notch. That's that's true. I mean it's one of those necessary evening. Think I think the the days of phones having Konak fronts are for like in the android world. I think I think they're gone because everything is whole punch camera and so many things. All of the high end stuff is going towards like Samsung style. Wraparound infinity displays. But on on the iphone. I know those days are only a few years left on on that where we still have our aren't giant notches with big horn section. Yeah I'M GONNA be sad to get rid of the rounded the rounded glass ninety but it was so cool and again probably expensive so they can probably save money on on having you know just flat glass instead of having be rounded got. That was pretty cool. I Dunno attached to it. I'm not going to be that sad but it was kind of pretty impressive. You know feet of being able to do that and make it still pretty stable. In in fact I do kind of wonder if the the the decision back in the IPHONE. Six to move toward a more curved glass might have been because apple was thinking. Well we're GONNA do this. Wraparound display eventually and they kind of researched and developed research and developed it out of existence and decided you know what we're going back to flat. We're not GONNA follow this trend of Kurt glass clearly. Nobody cares about. It's not that big of a deal. Nobody's jumping out of their seats by a curved glass phone. Let's go back to the flat screen. Maybe that's maybe that's like an an executive decision based on what you know the the How phones are working out. Well I don't know how I don't know how we Impact the decision you know. Going to curved sides versus flatten off that but the Ola display in the the iphone ten tennis and Tennis Max. Now the the pro the eleven pro- those are those are actually curve displays. They go they fold into the body of the phone so I wonder if that had anything to do with it and now they've they don't need to do that as much as as curved. I don't I'm not as well I on that stuff. And maybe that's how they can keep the price down. Oh I just thought of something else. What if only the five point? Four inch iphone twelve is going to be a flat edge. Design What if they're going to split the look and only some phones have the flat edge and others continue with the curved glass. Because we've seen the schematics but nobody has said and it says it's going to be with this this this this phone we just. We've just seen this the CADs of it. That's it that's all we know so some speculation. Here we get what we want. It's choose your own phone. I like they wouldn't they wouldn't put what a new design only on the low end phone. You've put a new design only on. They've done it before though. Yeah only on the IPAD pro. That was the Jim They also they also did the plastic versus the Met Lake. We've we've deep. They've gone for different in different color. I don't know if it would be what would be more financially. Yeah sensible to them. They already have a whole bunch of production in fact. Now that I'm thinking about it. Joe One of the things when you had mentioned that the five point four inch. I offend iphone. Twelve would be six hundred and fifty dollars but the Six Point one is I phone twelve. Max would actually be fifty dollars more. I was thinking that that just of that would work itself out for for Apple in the end. The books would kind of balance that way that there's this really cheap brand new form factor but we're also charging fifty dollars more for the next one up so that kind of like that. That really inexpensive iphone. So I don't know I like this I level this talk so This has been a spoiler alerts Jim. You're listening just call. This one spoiler alerts because there. It's just we never stop talking about it but we have come down to the end of our our and so it's time for us to say goodbye to our company so everybody that joined us live. Thank you for all your comments. You guys are great. It was really great to hear some of your ideas on what you think is coming with IRA glass or apple glasses or whatever they're called It's great to great to see that. So thanks again for joining us. 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Phenomenal Guruji Tech News 7 -Amazon, Fortnite game, Jio, pubg mobile, realme narzo

Phenomenal Guruji

02:53 min | 6 months ago

Phenomenal Guruji Tech News 7 -Amazon, Fortnite game, Jio, pubg mobile, realme narzo

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2019 Training Camp Preview: Offense

Big Blue View

48:45 min | 1 year ago

2019 Training Camp Preview: Offense

"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night. Do you experience feelings of dread about H.. O. Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcast from espy nation today our courteous and efficient hosts are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans welcome to the big review podcast. I am Dan Pazuto joined to your back Chris Flow Chris. How're you doing today lot little sweaty but otherwise pretty good yeah it is warm? It has been raining and storming here. Hopefully there will be some brighter weather. What will bring up? The day soon is football. We'll be here very very soon. There's already some teams have seen rookies report to training camp. There's some veterans that are becoming soon. The giants will be kicking off next week and with that we are going to dive right into a training can't preview so for what we're going to do over the next two episodes. We're going to take a look at the offense. Take a look at the defense and instead of going really player by player and looking at you know what we can expect from these players. We're going to go over over each group of like what our biggest question is afford that positional group as we head into training camp in through the preseason and then into the regular season these were kind of going to be over arching questions so we're going to have one the big question for each group and that's how we're kinda going go into discuss each position group as we preview what to look for during training camp. So are you ready to get going Chris. Let's get to it. Let's get to it all right so obviously if we're going to start with the offense we have to start at quarterback. You omitting has been the quarterback for a very long time for the first time in a very long time. There is actual competition. Whether competition is this is a loaded word whether there's an open competition there or not but the giants selected Daniel Jones six overall likely the quarterback of the future. That is the plan so I think the question we can get to here in the overarching question of the quarterback quarterback position heading throughout the offseason and into the season is can you. I manning hold off. Daniel Jones and I think that's a weird question. One is Dana Jones just going to be better than Eli Manning the in Training Camp Camp and if that's the case is it going to be a parent that if that is the case if Jones should just start the season or if it's it's kind of neck and neck and the giants just aren't overall good as we look into the preseason season and into this start of the regular season is they're going to be a pressure to put Jones in so I think they'll just the overarching question of can you I manning hold off Daniel Jones for whatever period of time that could possibly be. I think that's the biggest thing that we're going to see in starting with training camp. Yeah yeah I I think if we lead US leave aside the possibility that Jones will just from the jump the better than Eli. I think we'll probably come. I'm down to can eli give the giants a chance to win you can't he play efficiently enough that the giants are in Games winning games or if they're not winning games than keeping them close enough that the team can at least look at it and say we are close we are you know maybe the offensive line clicking a little bit better away from winning or this completely rebuilt secondary. They're just you know one big play away from kind of coming together and being able to close out games. I think Eli can keep them. In that spot he will stay on the field. I don't think we'll have Kurt Warner situation where you know even if the team is winning they'll pull him to give the kid a chance because ally isn't Kurt Warner Warner obviously still had good football left in him but he just did not have the kind of relationship with the team that Eli has built over the last decade and a half right and that's it's been part of what's been going on with Eli Manning for the past couple of years and there's not a lot of ways to sugar coat it and obviously we have not on this podcast you love Manning has not been good for a number of years. There are some numbers and some plays ladies were you can point out where you can say work. He's he's still has something left and sure there. There are women the pieces of that but in the overall grand scheme manning has not really been good since twenty fifteen even in that the two thousand sixteen season when the giants went eleven and five went to the playoffs you. I was not very good in that year either when you look at yards per attempt was just under a league average completion percentage for Jess under league average the the one of the things he's been good at throughout his career is avoiding sacks and that completely plummeted in two thousand eighteen so baby with an offensive line that'll help but the overall thing is and this isn't totally a knock on manning right. He's thirty eight years old now. It's okay to not be playing your best football. At thirty eight years old. He's won two super bowls. Eli Manning was a very successful quarterback that does not mean he's going to continue to be a very successful quarterback and that does not mean he shouldn't be moved on from when the time comes and we can argue when that time is going to be argued that time by the should have been a couple years ago but like you said if you I is still playing may what's look at maybe what what he played at the start of the season last year it maybe a couple of those close games turns into giants wins but if they're around five hundred maybe like a game or two below. Is it worth keeping Eli Manning in. I think that's another part of this question and I think we're going to start seeing this in training camp and there's going to be such a microscope on this. You're going to be sick of probably the beat writers giving play by play of every throw and try to not not take too much at tried to not look too much into that because throw by throw books at training camp are not going to be the greatest indication of who is doing what but the overall play how how they're progressing. I think we'll be working training camp. There's going to be a big question of of how much this dynamic is going to start shifting yeah. Definitely you know what you said about the throw throw a year ago ago going by the throw by throw from O._T._A.'s on it sounded like Davis Webb was the giant best quarterback and he got cut so I suppose at this point we could still argue whether or not keeping Kyle Ah let over him or not keeping both of them was the correct move or not but that's also completely at academic and has absolutely nothing to do with where we are but just to your point that the comp- The real granular details are that's just noise yeah in this is going to be a question that continues to go into the regular season who knows maybe maybe pest that if you eat y. I plays the entire season. I don't know if that is unrealistic that it happens but I think we will start to see how that will shape up once we start getting into training camp especially wants to preseason starts so that is I think the big question for quarterback that <hes> we can look at as as we start to see the team starts take the field so let's move on to the position right in front of them and possibly the position that is going to matter more. We're for how these quarterbacks play. At least that's who what we've been told that the offensive line needs to improve and part of why quarterback play was not great was because offensive line play was not great and we've seen a lot of moves made on the offensive line. I and I think the question here that we're going to look at is it's the offensive line actually better well. I think that's kind of a two part question do offensive line just based on the amount out of resources they have poured into it over the last eighteen months or so should be better. It should be one of the top units in the N._F._l.. Just based on they made their left tackle. The highest has paid offensive lineman in the N._F._l.. They drafted a guard second overall. They passed onto proven starting centers western Rich Burke and Brett Jones for John Colapinto. They signed patch trauma to a big deal. They traded their only proven pass rusher for Kevin Zeitler and then they just invested in free agent. Mike remers again so just with all of that this offensive line should be improved now whether or not it is I think the interior will be improved just because of will hernandez having another year and just getting better and the natural progression of a good young player and then adding Kevin Zeitler who is one of the best guards in the N._F._l.. The other three spots I had I do have questions I do wonder whether or not Jalaun John Peo- has the quickness miss to be a consistently effective center and I wonder if this is the year that need solar begins to backslide because he's thirty one he's coming up on thirty two. He's had some lower body injuries and like Brandon Thorne told us he's only ever really been in that third tier of offense tackles where he's good enough against okay competition but he can be exposed by higher levels of competition. His biggest contributions might be in the locker room and then Mike remers yet he's been dealing with a back injury and you just don't know what to expect from an offensive Lineman who has had that kind of injury. There's there's a bunch of individual questions going off. The line that go into that. One big question of is the offensive line improves. The thing is when we're going to look at this line and I think we basically know who this starters are going to be. I don't think there's going to be a lot of competition there. We know we know the left. Side of the line is locked down. That's going to be NATO older and it's going to be we'll. Hernandez at center looks like it's going to be John. They're pretty high on the lobby. Oh but spencer was refined probably a little below average when he was put in but it's probably sloppy job. We know right guard obviously is going to be Kevin Zeitler and the right tackle should be Mike remers that appears to be what the case is but there's always the possibility of Chad Wheeler. I think if it's Chad weird that's probably an issue if Mike Remembers can't beat him out because we have seen what Chad Wheeler looks like and I think that's part of what goes into this question is. Is there going to be a weak link on this giants line because I think there's also something we discuss brand. A little bit is when you're kind of building out a line you kind of want. I want everyone to be at least adequate. It's better to be adequate across the line then have a store at one place and a really bad player at another and we kind of saw that though little bit the giants didn't have that star last last year but they had a very clear weak link and that really derail the offensive line more often than not they were mistakes all over but we saw one big weak link we saw it in the beginning with Eric Flowers. It didn't get much better with Chad Wheeler and that's part of the reason and would look at e._S._p._N.'s pass block windbreak. The giants were twenty-seventh in part of that was when you have one weak link that is allowing pressure early that derails everything else so is the weak link Gone John and Ken. They just even be adequate. That's probably going to be a big step up and can potentially improve the offensive line by just being okay. They don't have to be great. They potentially got great with Zeitler. They don't need soldier or to be great. Hernandez is definitely improving. I think what they need to do is make sure center is okay and make sure right. Tackle is okay and if those two positions are going to be then they might be set up to do pretty well but if one of those is real iffy and it still looks like that's a weak link then that's going to be a problem regardless of what the other four positions do yeah. They really do need to avoid having that one weak link who can just just let pressure leak through let defenders into the backfield to disrupt the running plays to force quarterbacks to hurry force them off their spot. Throw off the timing. Just nothing good happens don't and like you said it is just it is just plain better to be average across the board than to have one or two guys who are great and then one or hopefully hopefully not too who are terrible and that was the case last year. The giants obviously improved at some positions but we'll have to see if they just improved to always passable at the positions they were really bad at last year and that's going to be the key to the offensive defined moving forward and we're going to see that a lot in in training camp and a lot of that is going to be health also a nate soldier coming off of surgery he still recovering he did not participate in mini camp. Mike remers as as you mentioned coming off a back injury. He did not participate in mini camp so we'll see how much they are able to participate in training camp so I mean still even as training camp opens. It's going to be the end of July and August two long. Wait till September when the season opens a but that is also going to be something to monitor and that's going to play a part into whether the offensive line is better because also as much as moves have been made to make the starting offensive bovine better. There's not a lot of death behind it so if there's one loss of any of these players that entire offensive line shifts and that week wink is very apparent with whoever has to fill in because there's not a lot of death F- behind that starting offensive line and if you're expecting all five guys to start sixteen games that's probably not going to happen so that's going to play a key partners to yet the the giants could go from being okay to having that a weak link and they just you know light. Some candles say some prayers. Maybe get a precedent exorcism of their facility. Just do whatever they can. To make sure that if they have an injury it is not will hernandez or Kevin Zeitler because if one of their great players goes down then things get scary fast yeah and those are the two guys who are coming into the season healthy. Both tackles will new at least start in the offseason coming off surgery so that is where the concern is so health is going to be just as big of an issue as the actual play on the field. 'cause there's just there's not a a lot behind them and that should be a big concern for as much as the offensive line looks improved on paper. The starting five is definitely much better than it was at this time last year but behind them and there's there's not a lot so if any of those guys go down. It's that's it might look like last year anyway which is going to be something to monitor so let's move on to the next position where really the biggest change was numerous Odell Beckham at wide receiver fever but incomes golden tate so a lot of what is behind golden tatum sterling shepherd a lot of the same a group that was there less years denny towers the Korey Coleman's the courier ladders the Russell Shepherds there are a couple new players fifth round pick Daria Slayton Alex Wesley who was a undrafted free agent Reggie Juniors undrafted free agent but we'll see there's still not a lot behind those two good starting they wide receivers but still questions after that a we know what sterling shepherd and Golden Takin do both of them are very good in the short intermediate level of the field what is going to be my question is is there anyone on this Rosser Rosser who is going to be able to consistently win down the field and I think that's how that's how the passing game is going to be able to move right. Now we see this offense is probably going to be built a lot around yards after the catch and is going to be short throws and putting a lot on the tate the shepherds and Ingram will be get there to run after the catch and I did a post early in in the off season I think after Golden Tate was signed of cannon offense just work on strictly strictly yards after the catch and it doesn't automatically make you a bad offense if you're going to be rely on yards after the catch but it also lowers the ceiling quite a bit and it also brings me to a piece of the forward I wrote wrote for Warren sharps football preview book in Two Thousand Nineteen where I was just looking at things offenses can do to kind of move forward and one of the really interesting things I've found is because of how many passes are thrown within ten yards of the line of scrimmage so less than seventy point six percent of N._F._l.. Passes were thrown within ten yards of the line of scrimmage but newly two hundred percent of the whigs passing by expected points added happened binned eleven yards or further downfield so n._F._l.. Teams totaled negative eight hundred ninety seven point seven expected points added on throws within ten yards of the line of scrimmage. Only nine teams had positive e._P._A.. E._P._A.. On passes that went within ten yards of the line of scrimmage so that means what of the passing value of your expected value happens on these deep throws at happen further in the deep intermediate and in deep passes if you're living in the five to ten yard range and this is where the ball travels so not like a ten yard pass pass that travels ten yards in the air when you're winning in that area it's real hit or miss <hes> and if you can't execute on some downfield passes and the wide receivers are getting their or the quarterback can't get there then you're severely limiting the upside you have as an offense and I think that is my biggest question now that I've ranted for a very long time that comes back acting my biggest question of this wide receiver group is if anyone is going to consistently be able to win or even asked to win downfield yeah and just about your point about going the value of going down field field and how difficult it is to consistently field a decent offense in the short range giants fan software ears how inconsistent and unreliable the Odell Beckham on a slant and a prayer offense was was because then you're either asking an offense to sustain drives over a long period of time and try to just be a defense with that you know death by a thousand in cuts or you're asking your receivers to beat a lot of guys to turn a short passed into a long game and that's just not the way you win. Consistently my question with with wide receiver core is that from a little bit different angle. I just want to know what the depth chart is. GonNa look like behind Sterling Shepherd even leaving Golden Tate aside because like you said I I'm looking to see who can win down the field but I'm also looking to see if last year was a fluke for golden tate his raw numbers. You know his box score. The numbers were okay. Maybe off his normal marked by a little bit but not bad but football outsiders had him ranked as the second worst receiver in the entire N._F._l.. And had him for for well over one hundred yards below of replacement level player and I believe his devi away was for the season was terrible as well and it started out bad before with the lions I believe he had something like negative twenty two devi away before he was traded and then it got worse from there if I want to know from him was that just a bad year was that a fluke were just things not going right or was that like Brandon Marshall's twenty sixteen where he had been great up until then and then all of a sudden he just fell off a cliff and was basically done as a receiver for the giants Sake and for Tate's as well. I I sincerely hope that this was that was just a fluke. He'll be able to rebound and be productive number two or number three receiver but you do have to recognize his age. You have to recognize the fact that he's been in the N._F._l.. For ten years is he set to fall off a cliff just as a player and also what will the rest of the depth chart looked like behind him will take wind up being the giants third wide receiver and will they have say cody latimer or Corey Coleman as the number two the other guy who will be spent most of the time outside across from sterling shepherd will the giants. Even how often will they even feel the old three receivers. Will they play the twelve personnel package on even more of their downs than they did last year. That's what I'm looking forward to seeing camp yeah and a lot of what we can take away like we said earlier earlier or when you should be looking at things like throw by throw in the play by play I think what is going to be telling is is who is being used where whether that's you know with the first team in what packages and where they are lining up on the field. I think that's going to be very interesting. I think a lot of the talk about guys like Sheppard and tate is where they win the most and where their best is from the slot. Not both of the can be in the slot at the same time but we have mentioned of before that that's a widow overblown. Both of them are able to play from the outside. I probably expect shepherds who play on the outside a little more but also what we can look at entrenched camp is where these guys are getting. Getting lined up is shepherd going to be on the outside. Are we going to find ways to get them. Both in the slot is they're going to be a third wide receiver. Say That Corey Coleman who is on the outside and bore is they're just going to be bored. Three wide receiver sets these are all things things we can take away from a training camp as long as they do translate to the regular season because also like we've mentioned before there was a lot of things that happened in last year's training camp that did not translate once the regular season started lot of a lot of movement a lot of new advanced things from the tight ends a lot of places winding-up saquon Barkley in different places not a lot of that went to the regular season after a we were really excited about it in training camp so we will see but that's typically something that can be taken away during training camp is where these guys are lining up when they're lining up there and that's probably going to be a big part of how this wide receiver group shakes out yeah definitely just there are a lot of questions and it's going to be interesting to find out yeah. It's it's certainly going to be some Dec- it's going at that's probably the biggest adjustment on this Rosser. Obviously a things are a lot better a lot easier when you have someone like Odell Beckham on the field he's going to wipe out wide where he can be in the slot. You can move him around all the time. Defenses are going to have to focus on him and that makes makes it easier for everyone else on the field without him even with guys like Sterling Shepard Golden Tape you who are good receivers we have never said they're not but as a group obviously it is now weaker without Odell Beckham. That's the objective retrial the so I don't think you can argue that but even with two good wide receivers it's completely different way of game planning and scheming players open because Odell Beckham is just a rare type of wide receiver. 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Is he going to be the defacto third wide receiver. Is he going to be that guy on the outside possibly on some snaps is he going to still play board traditional tight end where he did play well last year. Is he going to be trusted to block which is something we saw in two thousand eighteen a he wasn't acid you as much much but when he was he was much better at it than he was during his rookie season I is he going to get to run down field a little boy his first two seasons in the N._F._l.. A one of the lowest average death of target he gets thrown to very close to the line of scrimmage and he's he's one of those guys that gets asked to run after the catch. He's very good at it but if you maybe throw to him seven yards down the field and even just that and you get the yards after the catch that's better than if you're throwing to him three yards past the line of scrimmage asking for those yards after the catch so how is Evan Ingram going to be used. I think is the over arching thing for the tight ends because everyone else just kind of falls into a backup role that Ellison's not going to be as important Scott Simon since not going to be as important I even C._J.. Conrad he could be someone who stands out in training camp he did in the beginning of the rookie minicamp although his hype I think faded a little bit as as practices continued. I think he did get injured which kind of derail that a little bit but I think Evan Ingram's usage is obviously going to be the biggest part of of what this tight end group produces definitely absolutely and I would not not be at all upset if their answer the question which receiver will they used to wind down field. If that answer is Evan Ingram he absolutely should be a downfield threat for the giants. That's what he was was drafted for. If we look back to the two thousand sixteen season the giants had no answers for zone coverages and Ingram was drafted with the idea that he can attack attack the seems he can tare pages out of defensive playbook he can make it so a defence can't even consider playing like two man or cover three against the giants but he just has not been used that way like you said the tendencies with him have been that he's spent most of his time running parallel to the line of scrimmage three. Maybe five yards down the field and my fear is that that continues my hope is that it doesn't and with the rest of them and personally I think we can lump the h back fullback positions in with these guys as well. I would say that it would be better if they would all be used in a little bit more of a passing capacity just because the giants have so much production that they need to make up now that Beckham is gone and they're going to have to spread the ball around. Ellison is is not a dangerous tight end but he is at least a reliable tight end so have infil that kind of safety blanket safety valve role Scott Simon since basically the same guy the. Battle between the larger Penny and Rod Smith could be interesting. We did see the giants US penny in a receiving capacity last year. He wasn't bad but he also wasn't terribly impressive. Smith does have some upside there. He also has experience as a ballcarrier as running back said that could be interesting as well but just that opposition group as a whole will depend on how the giant US Ingram in whether or they changed their tendencies from last year yeah and I think a lot of it is how how comfortable they're going to be the passing the ball. I just wrote something this past week about twelve personnel and we've talked about this so many times and what are the things I found is. You don't need to great receiving options. You also barely even need one great receiving option at tight end for passing from twelve personnel to be advantageous because this is one thing about twenty five percent of all plays in the N._F._l.. Had A base defense on the field and we've talked about this also because of passing because of the rise of eleven personnel and three wide receivers teams are playing nickel well as their most often defense and that's with an extra defensive back so only twenty five percent of plays last year had base personnel on the field throughout the week but from twelve personnel over half of the pass attempts do we was fifty five point six percent over half of the pass attempts from when teams use twelve personnel had based defense on the field and that's putting an actual linebacker on the field instead of an extra defensive back and if you have someone like Evan Ingram and even if you have someone like rent ellison those guys who can beat some of these third linebackers because right now the way the League is that Fifth Defensive Dak doc is a better football player than most teams third linebacker. We definitely see that with the giants even with as scarce as the secondary was last year you have someone like grant. Haley was the nickel back last year the better than whatever third linebacker the giants were putting joining us. You would still rather have Haley on the field but when you have twelve personnel you're most likely getting based defense just because that is so historically been a run personnel package that teams use base they prepare for the run and that's where you get an advantage to throw we see that Oh good aboard we see the giants embrace these tight ends and maybe at something where if someone like C._J.. Conrad does breakthrough and the giants have like Conrad and Ingram on the field at the same time that back that could be something to give you an advantage for throwing twelve personnel and that's one place of we could see the giants get an advantage and maybe we'll see that in training camp if again if the giants are running some some heavy twelve personnel packages with two tight ends on the field instead of running a lot of eleven and the giants were mistaken to wes in the rate of plays with eleven personnel last year but they would still fifty six percent of the time so they were still a majority in a web personnel even when they didn't really have three three wide receivers so we'll see if these tight ends can either breakthrough or the giants except that's probably their best path forward of moving the ball on offense and if you were passing more through twelfth personality defense is potentially we're going to start shifting their mindset. Maybe put that extra defensive back back on the field and then that's when running from twelve becomes advantageous because then you have to big tight ends and you have an extra defensive back instead of a linebacker that helps in the run because now you're making the defense smaller so it's kind of this spread to run philosophy without actually having to spread and that's just the kind of mind game in chestnut you play with defenses and I think that's something that giant should look for and that tight end group is going we to be such a big part of it so let's just move onto the last piece of the offense where I'm not sure if there's a lot of questions we know saquon Barkley is going to be the running back is going to beat the running back for a good majority of the snaps APPS and I think my question here is how much is too much of both Barclay being on the field and the offense just running through the run game which from all indications is what they you want to do this year yeah yeah other actually thinking about this this morning while I was cooking breakfast and I was thinking about the kind of impressive disparity in Saquon Barclays production from when he faced six light six-man boxes against eight man boxes heavy boxes and I was thinking what the giants should do because Barkley averaged six point seven yards against white it boxes six-man boxes and then three point nine yards against eight or more man boxes so that is almost double the production just by taking two guys out of the tackle box <unk> just for me what would make sense to me is even if you only run him fifteen times a game. You should do whatever you can to only run him against neutral will or light box counts however I think we everybody listening to this knows that the giants are going to run the ball. They're going to want to run the ball regardless of how many defenders are in the tackle box and just count on the fact that they have improved their offensive line enough that the defensive front doesn't matter which it's not going to work out that way but I think I think the giants I should pay close attention to that box count just based on the on how much more production they got out of Farley against light fronts and also just to minimize the wear and tear on him because if he's going to be the engine that powers your offense you don't want to run him into the ground like say the Dallas cowboys did with DeMarco Murray right and that's I think that's going to be one of the Big League questions <hes> football outsiders one of the first things they did when they first started many years ago was <hes> they had their rule of three seventy and that was any running back with three hundred seventy carries or more her <hes> in a regular season usually broke down the next season. We're at an era where even the Muslim Brian Heavy teams aren't getting close to giving running backs that type of workload so we're probably not going to see Buckley get close close to that and that is just rushing attempts receptions. Impasse targets do not take as big a toll on the body as rushing attempts to that's also something football outsiders found so if you're going to use Barclay a lot to make sure that is you're right. You're not running him into the stack box one because we know now that running production significantly drops the more defenders who were in the box offer every defender added. You're running game gets worse. It doesn't matter how many blockers you have. That's something we have found out through a few analytical studies and to if you're running into the box that's just wore defenders to fall on Barclay and obviously is not the first offender doesn't always make the tackle but when you're deliberately running up the middle into all of those bodies then that's when the the chance of injury that goes up and now if you're getting him into space through the passing game you're. You're limiting that opportunity of just the amount of defenders who can who can grab him giving him a better opportunity to to break tackles obviously want to see him get passes in space beyond the line of scrimmage like he did last here but that's that's a different story so I think what of this is going to be held. Much of the offense is going to be too much to run through Barclay a part of just running the ball right up. The middle is echoing to be too much on him. Is there going going to be inefficient of playcalling because now the giants think they have to run the ball so a lot of I down runs. We don't WanNa see that in the first hour runs are bad for offense. They usually set yourself back aren't going to see a a lot of second long runs that also sets your offense back. I think some other some other studies right now have shown by expected points added and expected success rate the we hear a lot of setting up a manageable through down but by hi <hes> success rate and expected points a third and one is really the only third down that that shows your first two downs were not in some way a setback a so third and one is really the only manageable down the best way to to have a manageable down is to not face their downs but a lot of the giants decision making when they really relied on Barclay was kind of set up to do those early down runs to set up third and manageable and that's where the offense gets in trouble so how much is too much Barclay one for his health and two for keeping the offense moving forward you can get the ball throw him the ball more but do not continue to try to pound him up the middle. That's that's not going to be for anyone's benefit. Yeah I would just add. I'm not exactly sure that the way the giants threw him. The ball last year was all that much different from running him into a stack box because he was just throwing the wall behind the line of scrimmage so often that it might have it might as well just have been an outside run. I don't know what we have to do to get the giants to throw some wheel routes. Throw some angle routes. Let's move him into the slot but that's what they need to do at least with regards to Saquon Barkley in the passing game right and but even even those passes were better because they take less of a toll on the body they did get him into you space more technically but yeah you want to see those type of receptions improve and the giants can still use Barclay. He is a great receiver use him more effectively in the passing game and that is what you help so if we taking this back to training camp now. Hopefully we see like we did last training camp of Parkway getting moved into the slide. I getting thrown the ball past the line of scrimmage maybe lining up outside a little more and hoping that translates into the regular the season now if we don't see that at all during training camp that is going to be a huge red flag at least we saw it in training camp last year even though it didn't happen in the regular season as often as we would have liked if we if we do see that in in training camp there's at least that hope that they've thought about this and that is something they are hoping to to bring forward and I think that's that's going to be a big piece of of what Barclay is how he can contribute positively and how that running doc group is going to to shake up yeah at behind Barkley. I think there will be kind of an interesting battle between wing Allman and Paul Perkins at I think Paul Perkins has kind of been forgotten but he those two guys do have an interesting contrast in skill sets and just how many running back to the giants keep and how many see the the field during the course of a game is going to be interesting to see I mean obviously they'll all see the field during preseason so we won't be able to get a feel for exactly how much of a load they take off of Barclay and maybe we shift to the backups but we might get to see some to back sets or maybe some jockeying for position up and down the depth chart yeah that too in the both <hes> Goldman and Perkins have been successful runners to to appoint both of them have the ability to catch the ball so I think obviously neither one or as individually skilled as Barkley but you can still do some of the same mm stuff with them that you could borrow you can still find them up in the slot and so forth so so you're not you don't have to completely change the game plan at all if you're putting those guys in so we'll we'll see how how L. Dan battle comes out and like you said how many or running backs they're going to keep on the Rosser whether they keep going and Perkins Rod Smith is there. We talked about Elijah Penny. They probably don't need a fullback especially if they have someone like Smith you can be a running back who can be a type of H.. Back in a little more versatile than someone like penny is needed that would be my preference missile. We'll we'll see how that goes. Are they going to keep four running back. That's a whole lot to keep so I think that is definitely going to be one of the questions and some of the depth behind Saquon Barkley. If all goes to plan the giants aren't really going to be that death because <hes> Barclay's going to be on the field a lot so we will we will see how that plays out and and and what the giants are looking for as as they look at at running back there yes so that's what we're going to see at running back and that the depth there is obviously going to be concerned if Barklay goes down and that's a huge concern either way especially because probably of how the giants are going to how the giants think they're going to need to run the offense through Barclay even though probably with Goldman or perkins is an improved offensive line it might not be as much of a drop off as as you would expect us so that is going to be a big question there that will see play out so that is all the positions we will be back to preview the defense serve as the bookies report on Monday veterans come in on Wednesday so we will have the full preview up by then so you can find this podcast wherever you get your podcast pres rate and review if you have not that helps us out greatly helps his show be found as as we start kicking up the football content. 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Big Blue preView: Stay or Go roster decisions

"Yeah. Hello. And welcome to see the review podcast. I am damp. Zuta? Join tear by Chris flung? Chris. How're you doing today? Pretty good. How you doing? I am do you in. All right. Maybe not that great. Because we have to talk about something. We do not want to talk about because it keeps coming up in the news. And that is becka trade. Rumors. Yes. Can revise my statement. Or or is that on the record? Now that I'm doing pretty good. We'll try to get through this real quickly. The main topic of this podcast is going to be we're going to play a little state or go with giants free agents and players who are currently on the roster. Just so we can kind of get a bit of a preview of what could becoming in free agency. But was just talking about this the Beckham thing again because it's coming out in just kind of all different types of ways, the less. Week we touched on it a little bit. But a j Glaser in mailbag on the athletic had his bold prediction that older Beckham would be traded during this off season. And then on Monday during a hit on pro football talk live. Chris Simms said that he he was reporting. The patriots were one of the most aggressive teams trying to trade for Beckham last season. And the fact that the patriots were one of the most aggressive teams kind of what scared the giants away from trading Beckham. So this is kind of all over the place. I think one of the major pieces we need to talk about here is in the SIMS report, I think a lot of people kind of took it as being like part of this past regular season. But that's not what he said he said last offseason, and that's a time where it was very widely known in widely reported. The giants were looking for trade offers for Beckham. So it was less off-season that was before the Beckham extension. So that was not dirt. During this past season when he was under contract and trading him Baid, no sets us. So I think we have to put that into perspective that it was during offseason when we already knew there were rumors of him possibly getting shot. And before that extension was signed. I think for the patriots it would make a wad of sense for them. That's kind of like their MO getting a player who is possibly no longer appreciated by his former team on what would have been the last year of rookie deal. The patriots are trying to trade for that type of contract all the time. That's what they did for Trent Brown. They do that all the time. So for the patriots sense that makes a whole lot of sense for them. But obviously it didn't happen. We heard the Rams were also a highly involved in trying to get back before they traded with the patriots for Brandin cooks. So I think a lot of this is just kind of stuff. We already knew not sure how much new information decide from the patriots being the team involved comes out because all. Of this happened last off season. So we don't know what happened this season. And as far as we know there were no trade discussions so far this season. So it doesn't really matter after that contract of assigned. No. And from pretty much any perspective. It just does not make sense to trade Odal Beckham. The giants would lose money on the deal. They would be losing their best player. One of the best players in their franchise history. And. Basically, the only reason ally manning is still on the roster. It just doesn't make any kind of sense on less. Just viscerally. Dave Gettleman does not want him on the team anymore. And quite frankly, I. Tweeted, my thoughts on that out the other night when these rumors started bubbling up from wherever they come from again. And that is if they've got him in trades Oto Beckham, I believe he should be fired on the spot. And I don't care if it is a draft day trade just that is gross negligence will one of the things I don't really buy about. That report is the giants and needing the patriots involvement to make them realize how good Odal Beckham is. I mean, I'm sure you know, the the patriots aren't going after bad players. But I think the giants full well how good of a player. Odell Beckham is whether they truly appreciate that to the extent. It should be is another story. But I think they know how good Odell Beckham is. And yet he's part of the reason that offense functions the way it does you retired like two years ago if it was not for the. Giants drafting hotel Beckham. He carried a lot of that offense during the time. So we'll see these rumors probably aren't going to continue to die down until something is said maybe on the record or we just get into training camp. And L Beckham wasn't traded. Maybe that's what stops it. Maybe we have to wait until the trade deadline to pass for these. Rumors stop. So we don't know. But for right now. Oh, the Beckham is a giant. He should be giant for a very long time. Because he's one of the best players a passing week. You have a top five wide receiver. It honestly doesn't matter. How much he's being paid right now. He is worth it. He makes offense better. So I think that's where we're going to stick on that. And so we're going to move on to one player who we also hope is going to be a giant for the foreseeable future. And at least through twenty nineteen and that is Landon Collins. So this is going up on Tuesday. That is the first day teams can place the franchise tag on impending free agent. I think we will probably see that be the likely place. The giants go with Collins of say Josie Anderson tweeted out this morning that she is told that the giants and Landon Collins are not currently in active negotiations on a contract extension perver- sources. So it would seem that my guess is that the giants are going to use the franchise tag. And then I think maybe feel out the safety market before making a long-term offer for Collins because they should he is one of their best defensive players, even though he isn't a superb man coverage safety, you can get other players for that build around him to let him play to his strengths which I think are things we have talked about. Void a bit already. Yeah. It's it's weird. I think there's there's part of the fan base. That's coming through in in trying to say, oh Collins isn't worth the type of money. The franchise tag requires because he's not good in coverage. And I don't necessarily think that you should be the case because Collins is still quite good just about everywhere else. And you can get around him in coverage. I don't think you have to put him in one on one coverage against tight ends. There are other players who can do that. I think even if you work like toward the draft. There's a couple of players who really standing out in my mind and could really fit in there and take that responsibility away from Collins, and he's good in so many other places. So it looks like the the franchise tag is going to be around. Let them point two million dollars for safety's. I think that's define for Collins. I think that's that's totally worth it. You can put the non-exclusive tag on him which. Means you put the tag on him. He's still free to negotiate with other teams of. But if he signs an offer sheet with another team in the giants declined to match that then they get back to first round picks. So I don't think that's going to happen. I don't think any team is going to give up two first round picks for Landon Collins. So you can put that non-exclusive tag on him that, you know, saves about a million dollars or so from the exclusive tag, which means he can't negotiate with anyone else. I think what would be a mistake here is placing the transition tag on Collins. I've seen that floated around as an idea. I do not agree with that at all. Because what that does is save maybe three or so million that's gonna come in little over like eight million dollars. So that saves money on the cap. But what it also does is it opens up call ins to a get offers from all other teams. And if other teams offer. And the giants do not match and that gives those other teams the ability to possibly structure a contract in a way that the giants cannot match essay dumping a whole bunch of money on the twenty nineteen cap, which the giants don't really have a lot of flexibility to go there. So if there was high amount of money in year one the giants might really struggle to catch that and their teams like the San Francisco forty Niners or the Indianapolis Colts who could make those type of offers. And so if that happens and the giants can't match they lose call ins for nothing. So I think you are opening up a whole bunch of negative possibilities for not enough reward of like saving three million dollars on the cap. I think if you want Collins you tag him the nounce crews of tags going to be like eleven million dollars. That's fine. You keep his rights. You can still negotiate a long term contract. Which would then you could use to bump down that first year. So he wouldn't be making seven billion this year. If you negotiate a long-term deal than all of those numbers can change. But I think there's too much risk and not enough for ward for that transition tack. So I think the franchise tag makes a whole lot of sense from this point agreed and eleven million number isn't a bad starting point. I think for his play level when you have the players around him to let him play his game because we've seen when he plays his game. He is one of the best defensive players in the league. He it was a couple years ago. He was injured in twenty seventeen. So I kinda discount that but in two thousand sixteen he was playing at a historically good level. He was a huge reason why the giants actually went to the playoffs that year. So I'm not sure why you wouldn't want that kind of talent on your roster. You might have to pay for it yet. But that's what happens when you draft. Good players you either pay them or let them go play well for another team. Right. And so when you do that you. You have Collins. And you know, what he's straights are. And then you can try to build the defense around him to have him not have to do what he's not good at Lynn Collins had to cover George kiddle one or one in that San Francisco game last year because the giants literally had no one else on the Rosser who could do that. If you are now bringing in other people in the Rosser, go through free agency, get those safeties and corners, go through the draft. You get someone who possibly has that ability, and you don't have to ask to do that to not pay him because he struggled against towards kiddo in that game is insane. And it's discounting too much all of the things that went and Collins does well, especially now in James Becher system. I think if you get a whole bunch of those new players around, and you can shift those coverage responsibilities win Collins can be a big part of what better wants to do and has done in Arizona. He just didn't have the ability to put those pieces in place. Last year because the talent was so bad on that side of the ball. Yeah. Agreed. So why don't we move onto our game of stay or go. And basically look at the rest of the talent on the roster while not the rest of it. But at least the talent where the giants are going to have to make some decisions. Yes. So Collins is obviously going to be the probably the biggest Rosser decision. They have you can tell from what we said we are firm on that McCall and should be brought back, but there's going to be a whole bunch of other decisions. The giants have a number of free agents that are also scheduled to hit the market, and they have a couple of players on the current Rosser were still under contract who might be let go or removed and there's decisions that have to be made there. So we're gonna play a little game of of state or go. We're just going to give that player and our thoughts of whether he should be on the twenty nine thousand nine Rosser not we're going to start with some of the impending free agents. And I think the biggest one outside of Coen's and not necessarily money wise, but just in terms of. How the giants feel about the roster in general and where they think they're going to go. And and it comes one of the biggest problem areas in the offense of line is John Brown when he was claimed only one year left on his deal. A so he's going to be a free agent. I think a lot of people were excited or at least had some optimism about how the offensive line played in the second half of the year. Not totally sure if that's the case because if you get sports info solutions, they track blown blocks and Jim Brown had a blown block percentage of two point three six which is actually terrible for guards. He ranked fifty first of sixty two guards with at least four hundred snaps played. So that's not where you want to be obviously he was kinda thrown into the starting lineup shortly after he was claimed. But I think a lot of people have placed this kind of like offense of line savior piece on Brown who in reality. He didn't totally play. Well, so I. I would probably be okay with him going. I'd also be okay with him. Staying. I don't think he is the key piece of the authentified one way or the other no kind of right there with you. I think he the right guard position could be upgraded part of. I think the goodwill towards Brown was just how bad Patrico. Mommy was. And how really really bad he was for the amount of money. He was being paid. Yeah. He did not set the bar high at all for Brown to come in. And look like a significant upgrade? But like you said he he really didn't play all that. Well, now, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping him if the price is right. And you know, hoping that with a full off season in the offense and hopefully some improvement at center and right tackle that his own play would kinda. Rebound because he's a young guy. I think he's only twenty six he seems to be a really good guy in the locker room in the community. So I could go either way on this. I think it would basically come down to what his asking prices, and what they would be able to work out in the same vein. Someone who played a lot of snaps on the vine last year who was not really expected to was Spencer poli. So he is a bit of a different decision because he's going to be a restricted free agent. So he was an undrafted free agent. So L probably get an original round tender. I think they probably bring him back whether it's to be a starter or depth again. He wasn't great. He was about twentieth. Among centers in blown block percentage of sports info solution. So that's the obviously not great. I still think they can upgrade their, but it's not going to cost a lot to bring him back to be debt. So I'm fine with him. Coming back. Agreed. He was really not good. I don't think it. Does kinda muse me that right now the debate is which one of the three giants undrafted free agent centers. They should go with. I would like to see a legitimate upgrade at the position. Maybe that is John. Hello Pio coming back healthy and showing improvement at the new position. But it's the middle of the offensive line. And. He's the guy responsible for calling all the protections and communicating up and down the line. I don't think that is a position where you can skip. So I'd be fine with pulley coming back as depth, and hopefully, they get an upgrade their somehow. Yeah. That seems to be the way it should be. So let's move on. Be w Webb was signed only for one year deal played you'll fairly well was very good in charting statistics. But that went down as the season progress. He started off as nickel corner de was fine than when you apple got traded. He had to be the number two corner of which didn't go as well. I think it kind of depends on his market. I think if you bring him back, I don't think you really want him to be the number two or really even the number three. I think you probably ideally want grant Haley to be there. I'm going to say go just because I think you just want to get better depth there. And as. Good as web was in. What he was asked to do. I think that's about as good as you can expect to be w Webb to play. I think you've just you've just want to get yourself better at that position us. So I don't think he needs to be a priority. Brought back. No. I maybe if he comes back on vet minimum end competes in camp. I didn't like how they had to change the defense when they traded apple and basically promoted him to a full time starter. I don't think that played to the schematic strength the defense. And I don't think that played to the strength of generis Jenkins who is a name. We'll get to in just a little bit. I would rather the have as much depth that compla- the kind of aggressive coverages that James Beshir wants to call as they can get right to let's move on. Let's combine these nets you guys Josh Moro and carry win, and they were part of the defensive line. I think both played well enough in their limited. Snaps thing was there were women it snaps. And so I liked with moral. Brought and win brought at some points. But I also think neither one of them should be priorities to bring back. I knew Dave Gettleman does want that defensive line rotation that can go white eight or nine deep, but I think you can probably get cheaper in that area. Especially in a draft. That's going to be loaded with those guys. So I think I'm I'm go with both probably they're kind of the same player. Really? They both play that five slash seven technique. It kind of defensive end depending on what the down and distance and package recalled. I will say of the two I would kind of lean towards Kerry win just because he did have some impacts plays. Not huge game raking plays. Like he did in the preseason when he was just wrecking everything, but he's a solid disciplined guy. And you could also do worse for death than him. But sure, but I think when might be this slightly cheaper guy to retain it. It's almost a coin flip. And if it comes up let both of them walk and try to upgrade that fourth spot. Go for it. Maybe see what are MacIntosh has if he can see the field before December. Yeah. That was the other thing I there's there's going to be MacIntosh involves more painted probably going to see a free agent or draft pick there. I would add I I would like to see more of Mario Edwards shoes. After he flashed impressed me. I thought he probably should have gotten more time more snaps than he did last year. Yes, he's another guy in that bold. He's going to be a free agent too. So I think they may bring back one of those three I think if I were to go I might lead toward moral key was suspended for the first four games when he came back. I think he had the most pass rush productivity of the group so per sports fizzle Lucians he had the pressure on eight point three percent of his rushes which she only played ninety eight at snaps against the past. So I think he is productive in those short bursts. So if they want that rotation I think that might be the best way to go or less free agent. We were going to talk about was Scott some incident, but it is just coming through now. And I might be breaking this to you. If you are not on Twitter while we do this. But it has just been reported that the giants are reciting science into a one year deal. So he is a stay. There we go that might actually be. Nice bridge to go over to read Ellison. Yeah. I think so so yeah, that works toward what I was going to say because I would have said keep Simonson, and I'm probably going to go with red Alison, he's a fine player. He he does a lot. But I think Simonsen kind of improved to where he can do what red Ellison does at of much cheaper rates. Brennan, listen is going to. I think we've talked about this before is going to be five point seven five million dollars on the cap. And that is that's a lot for a tight end. That's a lot for a blocking tight end. Yeah. Some per over the cap of tight end contracts the eighteenth highest cap it four twenty nineteen he's getting paid like almost double what Evan Ingram is which I mean, obviously, Lookie deal is different from a veteran who assigning free agency. But the giants could say three point two five million dollars by parting ways with. Ellison. And I just think with what Simonsen has shown and now that he's officially coming back. He would have been my pick to do come back. Anyway, I think Simonsen gives you in just as much as Ellison does as that. Number two, tight end the guy who can be in line. And I think you can part ways with Ellison, maybe find a much cheaper number three tight end either in the draft probably late or even with some of these tight end class of free agents, which isn't super deep, but there are some intriguing names there someone like Eric Swope who I think would be a great fit the guy who is only twenty six. He's kind of bounce around a little bit shown flashes when he's been able to play. So I think you can get what Rhett Ellison does at a much cheaper deal. So I'm go on him. Yeah. That's something. We brought up when we looked ahead at the tight end draft class that, you know, back then it didn't make a whole lot of sense for the giants look to invest much of anything in tight end because they had Ingram and. Listen, but then looking at Ellison's contract that does look like a fairly Deplace the cap relief, and with them signing Simonsen that does I think tied of open the door a little bit. Because like you said, they're very similar players and Simonson is going to be a whole lot cheaper. At the time. I did float the idea of possibly drafting TJ Hopkinson out of Iowa in the second round and after releasing Ellison. And I think we're both fans of his Hopkinson that is so that could be another way they go. But yet right now, I I would have read a Ellison as go nothing personal, but just business. Yeah. I think we are both fans of Alkan. It seems like a lot of people are fans of him now to where where we were. I talking about him where we did like a tight end episode like months ago, he might be available in the second round of he might go. Like, you're the rumors of him going in like top fifteen now. So yeah. Who knows there? But yeah. Even there I think there's a decent that tight end class in the draft this year that can go pretty Deepal. You still might be able to get some type of athlete there, especially if you only need a third tight end now. So let's work our way up. Let's go with Kareem. Martin is an interesting case. So he was he was going to be that secondary pass rusher that we started the season as Lorenzo Carter kind of works. His way in Karner borrowing was supposed to be there. But they're also already parted ways with him. So of the eleven giants fifty pass naps Kareem. Martin was third in pressure rate at nine point six percent per sports info solutions, you would like to see that you'll little higher Vernon was at eleven point eight t was another guy who kind of got pressure but did not turn that into sacks. His sapper centers was only zero point five eight percent, which you would expect that to go up more. But I think it's tough thing. He's. As a five point nine million dollar cap. Hit a twenty nineteen th there's two point one million dollars saves. I think I would I would go with with Martin because I think you can depending on what they do in the draft. A we talked about some options last week on our draft show thou possibly taking a edge rusher at six if they don't go quarterback. And depending on what they do with Vernon who will get to in a bit. I still you can bring in a guy at six he's probably going to be at a lower campaign remark and probably give you a little more. So if you're looking to fill that in free agency at that gets a little expensive. But if you bring someone in the draft, and maybe you can even get want someone in the second or even fourth round that could bring you just as much as Kareem Martin dead at a much cheaper price. So I'll go with Martin. Yeah. I I'm a go as well. Again, just. Not a whole lot of cap relief. But some and the giants are kind of in a position where the more of these kind of fringe players where they could get cheaper upgrades and free up cap room. Those almost half to be goes and get there's a lot of because of the similarities in the contract. I think there was a lot of talk over the season about how the giants basically let Devon Ken are balk and replaced him with Kareem Martin. But they aren't exactly the same player. And I would say the giants cut Romeo will Kwara and replaced him with Creamer because those two are very similar players. And in fact, they were basically playing the same position through the off season and training camp and preseason and. Twenty year old Romeo Kwara had seven and a half sacks eight tackles for loss and fourteen quarterback hits on a six hundred thirty thousand dollar contract, which he is a restricted free agent. But. After seven and a half sacks. I would be surprised if lions tagged him in even gave another team chance to talk to him. Yeah. There's there's there's a deep class of Edreshev, even if some of the top guys get tagged. They're still some value to be had there. And I think the giants if they go that route or again deep class of edge rushers in distress class. So there's definitely ways to improve on that position at probably eighty per costs. So let's go to one guy who will bring up here because I think he's been talked about. But realistically, I don't think there's a way they move on from him which is old tree because of the contract, which is just an a it's a Trojan the good on the Rams for move in this contract. So because the giants didn't want a ten million dollar cap hit on Ogle tree last year. They restructured its contracts now he'll be eleven point seven five million dollars on the cap this year, but only five hundred thousand dollars saved if they release him. So I don't think they're going to release them. I mean, I probably would because there's then the opportunity cost that money is already sunk cost. That's going to be on your books. What would make? That sunk cost. Worse is having old tree play ninety eight percent of your defensive snaps again. So if you're already going to pay him that money, I think I would move on. But also, I would never have made the trade to begin with. I was very vocal about that as soon as the train happened. So I don't see the giants moving on. I would say I would because the only thing that would make that contract continued to be worse. If you keep putting Ogle Trie out on the field, and we saw his his limitations there. I think oh, I think no general manager in the NFL would look at the idea of paying someone nearly twelve million dollars to not play for you. But I'm not sure if that would be a terrible option we could try to improve that linebacker. So I am hypothetically go, but I know there's no possible way that habits. Yeah. The argument for trading for Ogle Trie was yet. They can't afford not to do it. But I'm sorry. That is not a good team management argument. It is a bad contract. And a lot of the time, especially when the transfer facing starting quarterbacks they were paying him to not play for them because he was just standing there covering grass while other players ran through his coverage zones now, yes, he has been a leader for the defense. He does help with communication and those sorts of things, but you can get other players who can do that. But you're right that they're not gonna pay him almost full million dollars to play for another team. Yeah. I we need to bring him up. Just because I think there has been some just talk about him among a whole bunch of fans and things, but the reality is he's on the Rosser that contract. What is going to keep him on the roster? So I think now we'll get to the big three players. We've talked about before. But we'll get there. We'll start with Jewish Jenkins. Fourteen point seven five million dollars cap. It seven point seven five million saved if they move on. I think we are going to differ here. I would be okay with moving on. I think that is the probably easiest way to save a decent amount of money for this team without really compromising what could possibly make them a better unit as we see kind of what Jenkins has done he had that outstanding twenty sixteen season. But as we look at Jenkins career that is more and more looking like the outlier season rather than what he has done recently in the past two years, and so among eighty five quarterbacks who were considered qualified through bunch of different qualifications Jewish Jenkins with seven. I in success rate and seventieth in yards allowed per pass. That is not something I think you should be paying big money for it. So I think if you move on from Jenkins, it also kind of gives you the maybe kicking the, but you need to realize you really need to upgrade that secondary. So I am okay. With moving on from shakings. I could see it happening. And if it does happen. I can't say I would be upset at the move. I'm not sure how much faith I would have in the kick in the butt scenario panning out. But I think that's another show. But I'm also not sure they could probably are they could absolutely find other corners for a lot less money than they're paying him. But they would have to dramatically revise their philosophy in strategy for stocking up the secondary if they were actually going to replace him and do what they needed need to do to get the secondary at a a level where it isn't a liability for the past rush, which I think is really the the big problem that they just had too many coverage breakdowns, and yeah lot of that's on Jenkins. He would have stretches where he looked like his twenty sixteen south, and then he would just give up some. He would just get burned badly. But I could also see them looking at him in maybe hoping he can rebound maybe he won't take wouldn't take as many chances if they actually get the offense working consistently, and maybe give the defense a chance to I don't know defend a lead once in a while. And maybe figure out the rest of the secondary get a true free safety. So they can play that cover one defense in hope pray that Sam Beal is who we hope he is. So I'm kinda torn on Jack rabbit staying or going. I can see the argument either way and as long as the secondary plays better. I'm kind of fine with him staying or going. Yeah. I tend to like a bunch of the corners who are on the free agent market. I tend to like a couple of the corners who are in the draft. I think just kind of revamping that entire secondary is. Is not a bad idea. So that's kind of where I stand there. I agree with you right there if they're going to cut him and make good smart investments. The absolutely go for it. I'm just not sure if they don't go back to the quantity over quality mode of acquiring secondary players again, and maybe wind up with more, BW webs and Curtis Riley's. I think there's a way to do both, and you can bring in some more guys, but go a little higher up the quality ladder. Also, I think that that's a possibility in both regency and the draft. Oh, we'll move onto the next big piece which is over the Vernon and nineteen point five million dollar cap. It they save eleven point five million dollars. If they let him go if you have listened or read be for to any amount of time. You will know I am. I'm very firmly in in stay for. For alleviate Verdon. I think is a he is a very productive pass rusher. He gets through the quarterback just because he does not sack the quarterback as often does not mean he is a bad player because pressure is good. He still gets hits those hit will eventually turn into Saks. And I think when you look at the market, even though he is getting paid a lot. It is going to be very hard to replace that production at a cheaper price. You are not going in the mid tier of Russia's and finding someone who's going to be able to replace alleviate Vernon. I think that's much easier at other parts of the Rosser. So I know that is a big cat hit. But I just think the production is there. It's going to continue. I think it's going to increase as going to have more sacks in twenty thousand nine he is twenty eighteen. So I think it would be a flaw to try to replace Vernon at a cheaper price. Because then you were your pass rush is taking a hit there. I think more than any of those other. Positions. What if you try to replace them? Yeah. Agreed. Just personally. I would I think I would like to see him come in and play it a little at a little bit layer weight. Maybe less of the defensive end physique in maybe like Chandler Jones, come in at two fifty to fifty five. So maybe he's a little bit quicker. Speed has never been a huge part of his game. He's always been more of a technique effort rusher. But playing more of that kind of stand up defensive end just being a little bit lighter in a little bit quicker, especially if he can do so without losing much or any of his strength. I would help him a ton. I don't see a reason to cut him. No now, I don't a lot of people are because they think they look at Saks and even ended up with a decent amount of sacks. It took like the last couple of weeks in the season to get there. But he's a very productive pass rusher. I think we need to continue to repeat that because I think not enough people. Appreciate that. As we move onto our last one it's going to be the big one where. I probably doesn't even matter. What we say? Because it's pretty much decided it looks what's going to happen. So that is manning a twenty three point two million dollar cap. It seventeen million cap space is queered. A they move on. It's probably time it it should be time. It doesn't appear like the giants think it is time to it is. And I think the one of the biggest mistakes, I think would be drying to assigned to an extension and attaching a dummy year into twenty twenty to bring his cap it down like five million dollars. Because then you're you're putting money on ally. That is not already there in twenty twenty. And I think even putting that a dummy year gives the possibility of there being a real year in twenty twenty and I just don't think the giants should do that. I think keeping twenty thousand nine as the last year allow there to be a clean break at the. End. That's okay. And I'm not a fan of putting money on the twenty twenty cap for a player who is probably not going to be there, especially if it's going to be like five million dollars that doesn't make sense to me. So I think that would possibly be the biggest mistake I understand that. They're probably going to keep him. The maybe keep a CPA warm for a highly drafted rookie. The maybe wait till they drafted rookie in twenty twenty gods. Now will be white three years down the line in this plan, which I wouldn't understand I yeah. In quotes. So I just I think it's time that should not be like looked at poorly of what you I manning has accomplished there were two Super Bowls. That's great. I think it's totally fine to say that eight thirty eight thirty nine year old quarterback is just not the quarterback. He used to be. That's totally reasonable thing to say, I don't understand why it's so hard for many people to say that. So I would be go. I have completely accepted that it is about ninety nine percent. Stay of the likelihood of what is to happen. Yeah. I would I think the only way it isn't a stay is if allies wife puts her foot down. I'm not sure there's any other way he is not the giant starting quarterback in September. Now, whether he still their starting quarterback in October, November December that's another matter. It would be nice to free up that seventeen million dollars in cap space. They could do a lot with that. You know, then they could really start looking to overhaul some other parts of the roster. But have we've also like we did last Friday and our options if the giants don't pick a quarterback one of our scenarios was there isn't a quarterback worthy of being selected at six overall there. So if they let you like go there very realistically looking at not having a quarterback. Yeah. I I don't think they would sign. Teddy Bridgewater, even though he would be perfect for this offense. I think that injury in the fact that he has been away from the game other than preseason last year for what two years, I I don't think they would take the chance on ham. Nick foles would be he's going to be too expensive. I don't think he turns down twenty million dollars from the eagles because it was partly his. His decision to do that. Two. Come to New York for fifteen million or whatever a free agent starting quarterback is going to be I'm going to guess at least as much as the giants would save in cutting ally. So I think they just let him ride off into the sunset and hope they can get enough pieces in place where maybe he plays a little bit better than he did last year, or at least more consistently than he did last year without as many of those lows, and maybe he'll take just give him a happy end to his career. Maybe Odell will get his wish they can. I don't know give a third ring though, that would never root against winning Super Bowl, man. They would be in a tough physician if they had the thirty second pick in twenty twenty that is I mean, I think they would take that. But oh absolutely into realistic way. Is that going to happen, which is part of the problem? The the. Way to contention as the team is currently constructed is a very long and unrealistic road. Which is why they need to be thinking about the future of probably more. I mean, I'm not gonna say they haven't been thinking about the future. But I don't think they have been putting together a productive plan to get there. Which is I think the hang up for people who are looking at what the giants have done over the past two seasons. So in that case, we will end this episode. There were we'll get back to you draft stuff for the Friday show, keep sending in questions most of them have been draft related. So we're going to save a lot of those male back questions for the Friday show. So please, please keep sending those in sent them to Twitter, send them there's a post up on big view dot com. You can just comment there. So we will get to them. They're you can subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcast. He's written review. If you have not exact greatly helps us, you are work on big view. Com. Follow big view on Twitter at big we've you you can follow me on Instagram at big underscore underscore view foil me on Twitter at Dan pursued. A folk Chris on Twitter at raptor MK. I think he has listening, and we will talk to you in mama's Spencer hall by name is Jason Kirk. 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The Sedano Show (HR 4)

Afternoons with Marcellus & Kelvin

17:37 min | 1 year ago

The Sedano Show (HR 4)

"<hes> it's the synonymous show Yep. I've got so takeaways. I've got four actually Anthony Davis on Anthony Dave you go give it to me George Number One and this is the most interesting <hes> part of it sort of just generally speaking <hes> he so here's the quote. He's very good at what he do that. He's speaking of Rob Pelinka here. I'm very excited about the roster I had a big part in the Rosser in terms of WHO's going to support me in the Brown and the Brian did to now. There are a couple of reasons why I think this is important first of all the relationship between him in Pelinka is I've seen important this is going to be important next summer and onto the future as they expect in Davis to be the face of the franchise moving forward of course Lebron I was still consider a very much the face of the franchise in the leader and the top number one but Davis is kind of a young guy. That's going to be under the bronze wing then. I like the fact that he is taking direct ownership of the roster. 'cause I all I just I think that plays better for the season in the flip side of that is last year. I think Lebron was still kind of you. Know getting to know the roster right getting to know the organization getting to the organization getting to know who did Lebron like what young guys we're going to be your long term. Which of the vets we're going to be here? How did they play off? Lebron and Lebron of course has not spoken yet. I'm curious to see how he how he words this type of thing like how much impact he had but the fact that Davis was consulted and then mentioned that the Brown was leads me to think art look these Lebron I are going to do our thing and everyone else is essentially here in supporting role yeah which is a fact. I do think some guys like who's looking so get better. You can find ways to improve mostly it's vets and so that to me is very sorry that's very stark difference from last season and it's an important just mental sort of team set in the locker room which they didn't have less. I don't think there's any question again last year's team. The construction of it was awful awful but there's no other way to describe it and look. I never wavered from that position. It's been over a year since I said it and I'll say it again. It was ridiculous the way they built that team last year and the qualify. I wouldn't even do the qualifiers moving on next thing. We've we've had that discussion before this roster to pulling this was built much better. Yes this. This makes more sense really good job so the second thing especially considering what was left right for sure what you did magic we've got big. Goals was the next quote that I pulled out and I don't have any problem. I know. This has been a talking point that not last couple of days. I don't have any problem with Palinka saying that it's essentially championship or we're not happy that that should be their goal. They've got got. They've got enough players. They've got enough stars to win a championship now. Are they the favorites no but they're in that mix there right now some people would have them is the favorites I think based on the high end with Lebron Davis but they're most people have them in a group of five or six some some even seven teams <hes> so I've no problem with that Davis embracing it and saying it. I'm not going to be happy if we don't win in fact he's not. I'M NOT GONNA play for Team U._S._A.. We've heard reports so he can focus on his body in the regular season. All of that stuff I think is good next thing. Ireland was talking about Oliver Civility in this game. He basically said there are some things I still want to work on. Got The handle tighter. I think his handles actually act like amazing for big man. His handle is really sick. He's crossing guys over. He's got a step back a he's. He's really good as a ball handler but improve the three the fact that he's thinking about that. George is exciting to me because he's got a nice stroke. You did his games in person last year. It's not like when he had rises up to take a three. You're kind of like I don't know. It looks good yeah now especially when he's kind of running into it in transition mhm she'll gotta work off the dribble as many players do but so that's that's good and then here's the bigger thing every summer I focused on getting stronger in some aspect of my body. Make sure my body can withstand at eighty two game season. That's what I've been focusing on since maybe that's what everybody's focusing but hold on Davis I'm saying with him. Oh true true yeah. Davis especially earlier is career missed a pretty decent chunk of games but again here. I want to qualify that by saying that the injuries weren't necessarily. Necessarily like they weren't injuries that are debilitating for a long stretch right. No Tornado no Achilles no no injury no back thing that recurs it's more and more one offs you know shoulder tweak here tweak their right but here's the important part of it though last two years before this year when it was obviously they essentially load managed him because of the whole trade requests and everything seventy five games and sixteen seventeen seventy five games in seventeen eighteen stayed mostly healthy last year so what that when that combines with him saying every summer I focused on getting stronger and some of my body that leads me to think oh he kind of figured out how to strengthen his body to the point where he can avoid injury better and and that to me is exciting like that's that's a big deal his health and certainly the whole is going to have a major impact on the season but I like that and then the last thing I took away was just the first to being a one hundred rated to K- player and and he really does see himself as a all around type of player without a lot of weaknesses and I liked that so those are I think what are you got. I felt like the thing he said about not a playing the five right like I get it in theory but it's one of these things that I'm like. I look a lot of guys say things in July right but when it comes to actually do do it. It doesn't always transpire so I hope that what he's saying now about when the when push comes to shove that he's GonNa go small and they're going to play the five that he's committed to doing that now. Look Having Lebron your team. You may not have a choice. You know what I'm saying like. That's probably what he he's probably GonNa tell you this is where you signed up for Bro. You know what I mean so it's like that's part of it. The other stood out to me was his stuff about demarcus and look. I think the demarcus cousins for three and a half million dollars is amazing valley like no one is gonNa tell you otherwise especially on a team Lebron James and a team with Anthony Davis and a team look. I'm not a huge Rondo guy but I get his value as someone who is good in the locker room I get that part of it so having I mean those guys there I think helps having demarcus cousins but him this notion of him and demarcus cousins being what they were in New Orleans. They were good in New Orleans but the New Orleans was better. One cousins went down and mirror tich became the stretch five in that scenario like let's not forget that they actually WANNA playoff series they swept of the Blazers in that scenario and we're really good at the end of the regular season because of so even though demarcus will put up shots you know five or six from three and he hits at thirty five thirty six percent clip. It's not the same than having a normal stretch five a guy who really is just a shooter there who is that's that's actually better lineup with Anthony Anthony Davis Short on that though Kusuma right essentially he's GonNa play the Mitchell Kinda yeah that's and then you have Davis and even Lebron who can defend centers on the other end that'd be that'd be my thoughts. Offensively coups reminds me in some way. Wasn't that rely it wasn't and he's again. He's not the level of marriage but I'm saying he's he's such a volume. This goes back to that age-old argument right WHO's a volume three point shooter yeah and he's confident which means people are going to rotate out to it like he might not shoot forty percent but if you should thirty five at that volume then you're GonNa he can essentially play quote stretch five on off. Let me go to Robert in Long Beach Robert. What's going on Fellas? Oh good listening to interview now see why he's put up great numbers but has not had a lot of playoff success man. This guy softened tat the soft mentality man he met. I'd be saw physically but mentality he saw you know. Can I say I WANNA bring centre position back. I'm GonNa stay on the block. I'll do picking public fifteen footers. I'm GonNa stay on the block. We're GONNA play inside out. I don't want that guy on the three point line. No I want to back back to center when you got in the Brian. On a shooting down with gets shut down low and stay there for a while. Are you kidding me. This guy's Salk. He has to change that mentality. If he wants to win a championship he really does and a whole Prin talked about that Helper Brown vs. Hey man get down low and stayed radium. Don't pop out Penarol or you help it. Whatever Diana brought me pay hey Robert so the last time Anthony Davis was in the playoffs? Okay swept Portland Ron one plan center the entire time then they lost a Golden State five twenty eight points fifteen rebounds three blocks two steals and shot forty eight percent from the field so that was all playing center so you know he's in the playoffs then you do then you just the opposite of what you said but but he did he got out of the second round that warriors team with Durant with direct curry draymond green and clay you too big big guy gets cut down the block. I do not WanNa see this guy out. Yeah I mean he's gotTa do both robbery can't just be one of the I do think that there needs to be a combination of both. I'll give you that and I think we'll have to wait and see. It's like I said guys say things in July. Let's see what it looks like in April May and June plays inside a lot. He does your second in the N._B._A.. Does he does so I just want I think Roberts's wants to see it but I disagree with Robert. I don't not WanNa see him on the three point line. I think you need to stretch there too. We'll take more your calls at eight seven seven seventeen E._s._p._N.. Stamping Gundy's going to join join us at six forty or so yeah just before six forty Stam van Gundy but first okay who doesn't have a home security system who needs a doorbell camera you WanNa Doorbell Camera. You'll get a doorbell camera doorbell camera everybody it gets Doorbell Camera. I wish I'd give everyone by only have enough of the first forty people so the first forty E._S._p._N.. L._A. Listeners who call one eight hundred alarming one eight hundred alarm me. That's the number we'll get you a limited time offer right now. A free slogans doorbell camera that connects directly to your phone with the installation of your Sloman Shield Sloman my guys their home security system. It's GonNa give you a free customized home security system and professional installation when you use their low cost central station monitoring so you're getting an l._e._d.. touchscreen bad a motion detector check three armed doors a battery backup plus if you're one of the first E._S._p._N.. L._A. Listeners the first forty E._S._p._N.. L._A. Listeners to call one eight hundred alarm me receive a Free Doorbell camera that connects right your smartphone with the installation of your Sloman Shield so keep your family safe call one eight hundred alarm armies. That's one eight hundred two five to seven six six three back and forth Saddam show here on E._S._p._N.. L._A. Juno you had some hot takes on the N._F._l.. You're like all shape about the running backs before we get to these calls. I've just fascinated it. Wear the league. He is George because you and I are both coming off a summer league. We're both big M._B._A.. dorks so I was excited about watching the young players play now. I'm transitioning into getting excited about the schedule coming out in thinking about where the Lakers are going to be thinking about the roster. That's about another month away August into this this month early August usually schedule. Oh August fifteenth wasn't I I'm. I thought it was really I thought it was I thought it was usually early August but now we can check that but now I'm I'm also now football is is starting to become kind of like entering the top of mind. It's training camps about to start again in a couple of weeks <hes> and so the thing that I that I most interested about like from a from a big picture N._F._l.. Standpoint in this affects both the rams and the chargers is this running back spot and now today all of a sudden Zeke where you hear reportedly is. He hasn't said anything publicly but you heard their murmurs that he's not gonNA show up the camp without a new contract right. We just talked about the self with Gordon last week. Meanwhile girly of course signed the contract ahead of time and do the rams that given what his knees these days so I'm just I'm just interested to see how this plays out in how many teams just treat the running back position like the essentially changeable position in the sport and then how many are their teams though that tried to centers in the N._B._A.. It is getting to be like that accepted except that it's still if you have a great running back. It's still very important. It can be very important. Philip rivers and Melvin Gordon Philip rivers is clearly better when Melvin Gordon is on the. `Field Yeah. Let's see as he gets as you get older in the rams. Were clearly better when Gurley was full girly like they're still like they were still able to score but look look at them. When Gurley was not quite girly that's to me why they lost the Super Bowl because they needed that one run counter to what the Patriots were doing with the pressure and mixing up the Reeds Goth just couldn't get anything downfield? They needed the guy the running back the dump off guy that could make people miss laterally and that's when girlies knees started to act up one the he couldn't do that anymore so so I don't know how this N._F._l.. Genes are GONNA go going to pursue this type of thing but I think I know the answer and that's not going to. They're not going to pay somebody the big money that they want. Running backs are never going to be paid in there now the same as quarterbacks where we're talking like twenty five thirty five million running back for more like ten to fifteen and that's the best ones so that's not going to change. Meanwhile receivers are not getting hit as much not getting hurt as as much right you can attack them up high is much. You can't attack them across the middle is much those guys are going to keep getting paid and I just I just I'm curious to see how that impacts the position and how that impacts the league. Oh I think it's going to be fascinating right because not every team. Team has a legit superstar quarterback show I think because of that you know that's going to be the way this whole thing. Breaks down but if guys if you can plug guys in like that out of college that quickly then it's not gonNa matter you know what I'm saying like the New England patriots haven't had a dominant running back then Corey Dillon for a couple of years when Tom Brady was young and that was already after they'd want to Antoine Smith so I just don't know man. I think it's an unfortunate casualty. I I also think like wide receivers are not as indispensable or less indispensable than running backs but I think that wide receivers are more necessarily when you don't have an elite quarterback. If you have an elite quarterback they're less necessary quarterback <unk> own line defensive tackle and edge rusher and then defensive tackle and then running backs and did you see real quick before we take your calls that goal and tate. He said he actually things Matt Stafford Louise playing with now is a better quarterback than Russell Wilson. I could see maybe the notion of he throws a better ball because he's more of a prototypical quarterback drop back passer but Russell Wilson you a lot of games Russell Wilson Doug. I don't know what you're talking. I mean maybe that's just because he's your die now but that's just as easy guy now like he's not nearly as good as Russell Right Corean Irvine. What's up gory? How're you doing guys? You know it's so saying to have Anthony Davis here and I think the key for me as a big Laker fan is is you know I'm good with the championship the exciting but I'm more about sustainability I wanna be on top for years and we need Anthony gave it to sign on term contracts. I think the key to that is Lebron James. You heard in the energy. He's a big Fan. Yeah idolized him and I really think this is Lebron James third at I think last last year I don't think he I mean he was motivating great player but without team just wasn't the team that he he knew he could get that team. Oh no right right. This is the legit shot shot at winning a championship with that Lebron needed a real running mate and I was what I was saying last year. Look man don't get attached to these kids. That's not what Lebron does not at this stage is not happening and here we are well. I know your children but it's an I said all along ultimately or the right you're going to sacrifice most of them ideally not all at least got to keep coups. Yes there you go one child leading terrence in Long Beach Terrence. Hey how's it going on up good. Hey this want them. Make a quick comment here. You know I think <hes> you know alluding to the interview A._B.. And Lebron having their hands on you know the roster choosing really set at them up for a championship run. I mean they pretty much play a you know any solid ball but they want. They can go all big small ball. I think it's a good move <hes> having eighty you know and Lebron. Basically you know how their hands or the roster. Oh yeah absolutely listen. I think any great player like elite level player should have some input on the roster of course of course in the next the going way past.

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Bringing scalable real-time analytics to the enterprise

O'Reilly Data Show

37:12 min | 1 year ago

Bringing scalable real-time analytics to the enterprise

"Welcome to Riley data show. I'm your host, bend Doric before we jump into today's episode. I want to remind our listeners that we do have to event series that they can go and attend. And learn more about the topics covered in despite cast the first one is called the strata data conference, which you can find at strata conce dot com. The second one is the artificial intelligence conference, which Yuban find at the cons dot com, and this episode of the data show, I sat down with two executives of raw set, a startup focus on building solutions for interactive data signs and large-scale live applications, I spoke with drew or Docker co founder and CTO and Trudy bought senior vice president of marketing so shrewdly has extensive experience asset executive experience on product, marketing, and. Marketing as various enterprise software companies, and the data management companies, drew on their hand is one of these Roth star data engineers. He was in junior number one for HDFS, the distributive file system as well as greater of rocks db on open source, embed, -able key, value store, originated by Facebook, and now used in many open source projects. So you may actually be using Rosty be under the hood without even knowing it. So we'll be talking about a lot of topics, including what they're doing at raw set real time, applications real time infrastructure for IOT and five G moving forward, building their infrastructure into plowed. And by the way, many of these topics are going to be covered in a really strong, data engineering, and architecture sessions at the upcoming strata data conference. In New York City in September. So I hope you enjoy this happens. Druba Burr, tackler co founder and CTO and shrewdly bought SEP product, management and marketing, both Rossett. Welcome to the data show. Thank you. Thanks looking at your guys background, you obviously have long experienced in the data management in data space in general, but you'll come from two different perspectives. Little psych, so Druba is like a veteran. The fall kind of high profile Silicon Valley startups and through as more of enterprise perspective. So what brought you to together in terms of starting a company, we can get into? So how did you guys get together as ratchet? Sure. So funny story, I was actually at the unbear- initially import while launched we send, and then I was ended under startup called Rabelo which acquired by auto. Gaulle now I doing some fun things at article, but then, you know, talking to a lot of people, of course, in the data space, while I was there, but talking about lot of I I t and really every time we spoke to them, I found that enterprises are still thinking about some very fundamental data challenges. And that's when I met through by D'amoto me about how he's thinking about live data bringing data to life. And I said, well, this is what enterprises really need. So that's why we to get the droop right before Rosser. The you were kind of lead person as far as I though of rough db, which for the listener sue, don't follow rough soobee. It's kind of blossomed into this embed -able key value store, this being used by many other open source project. So maybe give us a high level description of roughs DB 'cause I. It's relevant to what we're gonna talk about when it comes to rob set and how exactly routes the became about shortly after. So, yeah, I did a lot of work on Rajdeep the very early days and the focus of the db software was that how can you do very quick quiz on a large elevates, also hooking up Abed very fast wonder, lots of changes happening cured animals. So it was the back end of your developing far running J, official Kwa, the new back in things where you need vase fast ladies foreign larger in the sense that is constantly changing. So the focus in today's about canoe. One of the advantages can get these, you run your database on flash are at around systems because at that time the breathing generation software is all running on hard disks spinning disks. So that's how Rosty became about gross. Basically us at Facebook for secondary indexing of a very large social graph and using some of the back ends on the bills are GB. We don't see that it is great at building, like operational applications lead. Take, for example, the Facebooks family touching engine bedrose using Raj debut database to query large sets of mutable data. And like I said, the Facebook newsfeed, which is all about building a recommendation, system, or relevance, engine to show you that rupiat siege from your friends and your life. So was my earlier remark. Correct. As far as you're concerned that the Rossi be seems to be one of these projects that other projects are using, yes, they're very much. Embiid able be software. It's very lightweight. He sounds data store and the focus on performance. Just Ness of Belsen whistles, which is Ryan, you need to put it on a bigger system like the rocks is more like a nail and again are some points would that you can kind of scrabble together and make a big room on the loss of room. Right. So big, for example, rocks being always of masculinity, called my rocks. Similarly, rockstar is part of Cassandra. It's called raw Sandra believes offense basically, the storage, engine of many other distributed systems out there. But that wasn't was that something, the you, folks dissipated, I think the, the reason why we started their Oxtobwy broddrick was before oxygen me. I was. Entre Butin quite a bit of good wage base, which is due back, Uvira store, and, and that time lot of data and officials started to move from spinning disks to flash storage, and then I offer benchmarking age as a lot of, secret of that they're sort of things that soft that existing software that time, kind of leverage, especially health flashes stories systems work so offs. Dube's build mostly to exploit the harder difference of flash drives, and that's why very awful by new run Roxy beyond Grammont slash systems. So we have debated it, and we kind of focus much on the performance of things and less on the reputation less distribution on all those things. So then fast forward to your current company, which is rough set. And I assume rock Staby and rough sets them day. There must be a Rossa the element, the rough set. But then you folks decided not to go. The open. Source or open core routes, so maybe through wisely advice that it's hard to build an enterprise, software company, and open source. Well, it's actually more than that, you know, today, it's all about SAS night, really are less. And when you talk about being realized what you care about is how quickly can users start using it. I think open source different dusting job in its Anna of helping us adopt something quickly. Get started quickey and now in the age of SAS. Well, we're doing that by making it very easy, just by delivering our software Sorber Nestle. So is it server Lewis in the sense of Lambda in the sense? It's like a function service, almost like it's a very easy to insensate in all of this. Yes. Oh, definitely. I think. Biggest I wanted to see if I can help on your question. So if you talk about Lambda functions people washer, relate to code, which is more about software that is running and less of the data so rock said, what you have done these that I think rocks, all the fresh ones are similar to other, maybe in our something else, which is all about struggle storage, and also service, stateful service. So unlike allows each of very stateless as doc said, he's stateful service, and we maintain state about the data and weekend skill up known based on your workloads. And you don't have to be consider pre-provision amount of work that you need to do is set relates credit or whether the amount of data both of them skill effortlessly. Put more data the skin system grows in the back end. And if you make more queries more. She gets provision for you. Doing Ranji letter thing, I would add is the pricing model also supports died. Right. So you'll. Pay for whatever you use. That doesn't mean you have to any capacity planning ahead of time. It means you just in all start loading data into rock said and you start using it. I think in all really goes back to ease of use eventually so let's good to specific use cases for where raw sets acknowledgee shines. So obviously, we the people have like this explosion of many different data managements options that they have the dick and mix and match and whatever architecture, Dave decide, but what's are the workloads and problems? And use cases is rough set particularly good f-. Yeah. So I'll let me tell you about two big buckets on Hughes cases here. Also get you a little bit more about what it needs from an architecture standpoint, because there's less, how these use cases on coming to live. The first big one is on real time applications, right? If you think about. Your business being like a scream of real time events today. Right. It's all about event. Analytics? So, for example, if you have Cathcart set up a streaming data now that might be all do ice data. It might be click stream data, what have you. But eventually what you wanna do is you want to join back with some other data cents. And that's one of the use cases that vox V shines because now we're talking about very data latency, and you can start doing sequel instantly without custom data pipelines. Right. But also more importantly, the application can clearing Bach said, vita Ray Sonali talking about very low credited, the ad many did drill down here little bit. So what you describe of super interesting use case, but the on the other hand, this is something that people aren't so other technologies in some ways like open source acknowledges, so. I guess what I'm leaning from your answer. Is that Roth said as she simplifies this by providing like a unified solution? So you don't have to maintain mix and match all these different technologies. Yeah, I think there's a basic difference in the software, we have, which is lying. It's easy for customers to deploy up lesions very quickly and the reason is because what we have is that we taking data unstructured, semi structured, buddy can run SQL grades. We don't actually giving a schema services, China doesn't need very different from existing technology, so on their feet of knowledge is are you putting data teeny to set of each year by blinds and anybody didn't ask you a little bit to make us will automate, so for us, we don't need to do that as part of data consume to our system. We put in data as when it is coming in Ross on Grey's. You can make SQL Greenwich as there's a schema because the system automatically finds out this chemo for you. And so you can make just not outstand. Heard old standard SQL to kind of look at your any can do any kinds of teaming are verging at the time of wedding that it abyss instead of right time raiders coming into your system. So that's the difference. That's why we allow application engineers to goodie immediately. Because the don't have to wait for it engineers to set up their pipelines and being that it and do deals truly mentioned the world realtime. So in, in the haunt of raw set, what sorts of real time application service offing about our dashboards update in real time, real time, learning or online, learning for machine learning. So what notion of real time are we talking about our, I guess the other popular analytics on real time would be kind of the trending items comparison of what's trending now suppose, what was trending last week N, and so on. So what kind of real time -application talking about? Yeah. I mean, a simple example. Right. Think about leaderboard. John, paul. In gaming industry will time or think about an IOT application that real time. Think about ecommerce personalization. That's real time. So those are the kind of real time applications, we see on one side, but on the other side who kind of hit a very important point, which is better going next, which is one degrees. Israel's timeout location category, but the other category, really is around. Interactive dashboards right now, what's different about interactive dashboards kind of, like you mentioned is that the data coming in may not even be that real time. But the dash Lord itself is more interactive and live, and, you know, you don't really know what can drill downs the user might be making. And you don't really have time to go, you know, much data while user goes and gets lunch or something users actually steering had this dashboard in real time. So the two big categories one is kind of applications like personalization leaderboards, but the other. Israeli interacting. Dashboards were handed data might be sitting in three right? But then how do you now build an interactive dashboard using beta that suiting Innis three that's the second big category? And what's interesting is because of the way rocks does build. We're seeing this very interesting dynamic where people are building data API's for internal consumption. Right. So you mentioned Landau, for example, let me give you one simple example, where people are taking transactions that are in dynamo, DB, and planning that into Roxette and doing ad hoc. Analytics in rock said, now, you can always use Lambda to creditor rock, said and Bill the front, Dan. But what's really unique is now you're decoupling the data from the API itself. So I have a couple of follow up questions, the first interactive dashboards. So usually when to make at dashboards interactive in the sense of the described there. Stoop pats. Right. Said the first stay scale out in Denver. I dunno loaded memory and then it becomes interacting that way, or I don't know if you've folks have been following, but there's also a another group of people who are using hardware celebration like GP use to interactively. So how are you folks making the dashboard interactive? Oh, that's a great question. So actually crit sauces, dad, we essentially index already when it comes in Phil defensive from pre-existing technologies. Most other technologies wanna do lease has some versions of at Ballet's Asian and full scouts. Right. Likely if you look at Purdue hive are, if you look at bar, or any other system, the whole focus of although systems is how can it better lies microwave and each portion of the gray on sequence? Shin scan on some small portion of the database, but Roxanne different approach rock said says that, hey, we may quit his fast-lane, nothing all the data, which means that if you have records. Being in our let's say record fiber columns, we index all the famous columns, and so now an agreed it comes in. We can fishing using this to give you a lowly queries on your abyss. We give the in in the back end reuse. It's Iraq's account based service, so you can download it to your machine or to your own data center, but allows us to leverage. The cloud stories are argued so are HAMAs did obviously ram blows to the processor. But also, we did on SSD's this and finding Nestea which is persistence layer. So that's the data that's the data Lillard which gives us loan agency queries. But then our esculent gritty engine is also big interview for the cloud, which means when it quitting comes in. We have called, which essentially gives out two more numbers cebu's nodes so that we can balance the query give results fast. So another trend that I'm seeing as we talked about land, the but kind of. Lambda in the server la- cents. And then they're slammed the architecture. The people have a like a love hate relationship with. Right. But now there's a bunch of open source projects that are taking kind of, you know, your data lake might be in estry or HDFS. And then they're allowing you to do a votes. Real-time in batch kind of queries. From your daily here. The two projects have come to mind, the one from Uber called Hootie, and then the new one from data bricks called belt the lake. So you folks sound like you're also kind of in-depth space of less. We don't need the lamb the architecture anymore. Yes. I Richard that week on ourselves is more like the aggregate data architecture, which is basically, the architectural lets us do a lot of processing reads happen. And it is very much architect like search engine unfocused illuminating sequence. When is the focus of land architecture? Other things. Are all about officiency ender trooper. Where is the focus of our architecture to get eastern architecture, is all about load-ins equation large data sets? So this is the same arket that we that Facebook users for some of their pipeline Billingham big it up processing architectures, in many ways than by using this alternative architecture. You've basically simplified and lowered the operating costs. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. I think in my mind, our generation aerobic did soccer is all about fishing ship performance, and story. A lot of data and brought them in and bache-wigg, but for us, we want to shave Gulliver Stein. So we are saying that, hey, you can actually do expiratory whereas faculties rebel any upfront scheme on Asian or cleaning or anything else. And this is what adds value to our, our users because they get valley, right? Out of the box. We don't have to set up any of these things. So here the. Key question for enterprise offer startups. And this is where shrewd I think truly probably is guiding you folks in the right direction. So we are in Silicon Valley and you do have worked mostly in Silicon Valley is this technology overkill for the average enterprise. In other words, are rebuilding tools for our friends here. Oh, that's a great question. The way to think about it as infecting me give a little bit of history. You know, when I was at oracle, I was talking to a lot of CIO is, and everyone was very interested in what can we do with, like a, but eventually, as we started talking to them, it all came down to very basic fundamental data questions. Right. Things like, hey, I'm just built this data leg. Now, how do I go from there to this very interactive dashboards? I'm just deployed Casca, but people in the community are telling us that lot of enterprises have gone through phase, one of Cafo where the vol, deployed it and collecting real time data, and now they're asking, what can we do with that? How do we actually generate value? The from data, you know if you just send it to us three it just stays there. Right. How do you actually get value? Will ask me start building applications. So the real story is talking to a lot of enterprises who are in kind of this. Phase them just built a data lake they've just set, up Casca, and now they're building their applications. And that's where rock said come to the big chore. So I can actually tell you about some of our customers. That's interesting view. But let me ask you discussion. So if I'm an enterprise, and I'm in the plowed. And let's say I'm ready using whatever is on the flou- tennis. Ustry Redshift, can I pieced together a solution that lets me do these kind of real time analytics? They son based on the manage services in the cloud. Granted it's not a unified Lucien, but it's possible aggression, it everyone is possible, right with software. Everything's possible, what you would have to do is just use a lot of different tools. A lot of time. The amount of nine that you invest in setting out your custom pipelines in the number of data engineering teams that spend their time on doing things that probably are not the best use of their time. Right. They can do a lot more higher values things. If they don't have to spend time on one in is bell is calling just skim. Enticing data scanning your data is preparing at regaining, sending up your pipeline so ending that the zeal defense, the schema Thyssen thing drew his kind of it. Sounds too good to be true. I know I know. Come on a bunch of log files, and you're, you're telling me I can query. No, no, you're accident. I think on the schema Lous concept started with like high right? Remember the best days, they'll ivy's schema less. Right. But the problem there in was that. Skinless. It's very hard to grade. I'd so people have to do a lot of things at the time of quitting that it Evers so for done as we are essentially taking NAS chemo's, but we have taken Samy structure data, which is mostly on CSV's are many other custom formats action, have some charter schema, but the scheme is fluid in the sense. Not all right, guards, the same schema. Right. Some callings have different values are different types based on different records. So for oxide, we have. So should I not column buddy associated with each value, in the home, which is big different ship difference? Can you folks play in the whole time series database, face Costats hot right now? Yeah. Now what let me ask you a question new. Yeah. So what is it time? I'm sure universe in my mind the database, which has an index on right? It's just one nets. Then next the primary next time, but the key is the types of queer. Jason questions you ask are very tied to that kind of temporal exam right auction. When you've done is that we have made indexed on many diamonds so he can do banks. It is based on the payment nuts, but he would also do. Let's say as equal based in nets based on Joseph in location on your data. San are maybe you can do like what other next. I mean busy depends on every call every call next that of the ankle. So what about maybe shrewdly can answer this? What about the fact that you're not open source at all? I mean, none of the knowledge is open source Estado issue for companies, 'cause it seems like there's a class of enterprise offer startups have on open core. Right. So they have some kind of open source version. But then the enterprise version is not open source. Yeah, that's a great question when adoption standpoint, what we're finding is look users really care about how easy is it for them? Do in our giant out. Get started, and yes, open source, I think is very valuable in certain dimensions. But then when you come to the cloud world, when you come to delivering offers service, we have taken by easy to use concept, all the way to the extreme and said, well, you don't even have to download install trying thing that way, we just have, like, no get started online. Right. So no. From our perspective right now, we're not seeing a lot of issue just giving that were not open source. I think if we were on Prem software, maybe but because we are hundred percent cloud the not only cloud native cloud, only right, by the way, humor, saying that I'm going, of course, though, one of the main cow third samples to what I just said, snowflake db, which is a very successful startup. I don't think they're open source data warehouse in the cloud on the other hand, I think, in their case, their data warehouse. They don't need to. Plane what they're doing. Do you find that you still have to explain? What kind of use cases? Rob said is good at the how much how much education, the find yourselves having to do. There's a fair amount of initially. I think you know, when there's completely new tech people are always looking at it, and saying, what can I do with this? So we do have to explain a little bit. But what's tastic is that the developers come to us and Delta's? Hey given what you're doing? I would add to usually use it this way. And then people tell us how they're doing exactly the question that you had right? How you doing today? People might talk about how they're doing Casca, less elastic, and what are the problems? How did an end to look at rocks and say, well, you know, while elastic is great for log on alert deke's if I'm doing event. Analytics, this is where in Iraq citizen, better fade, so times, our users, our developers are telling us some of the use cases that. They have been absolutely love. But yes, we do have to do some amount of education, vendors completely new debt. You know, we're not replacing one thing that you said snowflake is a better house in our case. We're not a better blah, where just a better way of doing something very whole data infrastructure. So, yeah, you're absolutely right. So drew, you know, you mentioned that you -absolutely can kind of play into time series database base articularly even real time. Sounds like a big component of what you're doing. So it seems like that's an area where I seeing a lot of startups. At least get well-funded. I don't know that maybe that means to have revenue. But yeah. So is that is that area that you folks plan to also play in, in and start kind of positioning yourself doors, or you're just kind of general purpose. We don't want to focus entirely on as transient database, because we also are focused on real life, applications of people building on these streaming at us. So we want, we have more general purpose than just time series database eight. For example, you think that the are you folks playing in? So what about just the, the category of analytics is that where you belong? Yes. We definitely belong analyts. We've belong to can categorical operational, analytic six not so do and high all about batch analytics Africa. And thought you spark is on about real tunnels, and we are focused more on a personal live. Another. Which is basically no deals no by blends, you're able to do astronauts assembled in. So this is the part step behind or the third kind of phase of analytics involve evolving, where people want to carry their most recent sets and also under gum, the gum very fast waiting for many minutes are many seconds. And by the way, this space is going to heat up because one it seems like I o KIA's bath and of course, five G is starting to get rolled out, son. I think the hopping nation of those who will make real time systems. Be really important to many companies. And by the way, I just wanna give a shout out another Apache project, which I think, drew might be familiar with, because one of the people involved is fellow Wisconsin, alum, patchy pulsar. Oh, yeah. I know. Bunch of ulcer. Yeah. Good system. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Of course from Yahoo. So you might. Yeah. I know about you us uses bookkeeper. Yeah. I have really good reviews of that. The other thing I wanted to ask you folks about is cloud for data infrastructure. We did the recent survey and I forget, I think more than eighty percent of the respondents said they already had part of their data infrastructure in loud, number one. And number two, we found over a third of the people said that they were ready using server less we listed. I don't know how many service options listed, but the yes, I it seems like wild. Most people are not ready to say that they're gonna move to cloud completely it. Seems like at least for data infrastructure. It's really pointing in direction. The other thing we found is that a lot of companies actually used multiple cloud providers. They're not all in, in one of the public cloud five or so. So it sounds like you made a concerted decision to go to loud, from the gecko. Yeah. I mean, for us, I think are in my mind. I think the new cloud vendors, like inner Lewis Google cloud, and as you these are new operating systems, like in the early days, there used to be like HP and ideas and something else, where you're softer all these platforms. Now, these are new operating systems. And I think people like more and more release systems because of so much more easier to use faster. Get your work done. So have you lost a deal because you were not on from? No. So I think what has happened is that we have talked to shorting segments of enterprises. And there is one segment of enterprise who are very Latin to move. The cloud is ought to be found. And we have since the time, we learned, this, we kind of straight away from that segment of the market, just so that we can optimize our, I'm of course, you're gonna tell us what segment that. I mean it's more like people who have more regulatory financial numbers and stuff like that. But even day will go, but not all not all end to the clouds part of part of a startup. A drop said, we, we want to focus on the people who can who are learning to call good. If I say, are you alert in the cloud now he has a great story? Good splendor him how he can lever is rocks at quickey somebody who's thinking of moving through the phone by taking many months before you can actually move. Here's a trick question for you for you to so cloud, writes a racist. I mean, I guess people have overcome kind of the, the reluctance of going to the hunt because of security reasons. But of course now we're operating in an age where data privacy is important. You've got California consumer privacy at GDP are can I use rough set and we'll raw set helped me comply with GDP are. Can I can I can I can I delete records at will and Ronson? Yes. Yes. Abdu. Great question be here this alarm, you know, being in the cloud. So the answer is duty. Yes. And we work with customers, depending on what they really need. For example, you know, you can do data masking. Right. You can say, hey, are you can even drop sort and seal is as field command? You say, hey, only index certain fields are masks or feels as they come in so that we only store a hash. And then, you know, it's index in a way that even we nobody can actually see what Mendy not really is. An of course, everything is leeann krypton address, so we take in all data privacy's, acuity very, very seriously. The funny thing is that we talked about the cloud being one of the reasons that people might be readied about putting data in the cloud. But we're seeing the flip side of that also a lot of customers are already moving to the. Our there's like this company wide mandate, removing everything everything to the cloud. And when that happens your data infrastructure is forced to move, and you're simply not set up your on Prem Reddy using in memory analytics on premises. It's incredibly hard to lift and shift to the cloud. It's going to be prohibitively expensive to run in memory. Analytics are your existing solution as it is in the cloud, and that's where we're actually seeing a lot of momentum customers telling us plug weeded them hat, simply doesn't make sense to run this in memory leading stack in the cloud and looking for new data infrastructure stack nets where we come in and since architecture for the cloud from the ground up. We dated a privacy and security, very seriously. So do do remember Druba. I think it was maybe four or five years ago. There was a set of startups that came out, and I don't think any of them are around anymore, which, basically, they said, let's unify basically sequel in. Search. I don't know exactly what this it's kind of, like bring your data in semi structure, human search it in, you also run sequel is this something that you folks are moving towards or you're completely sequel, focused. That's a great question. Probably on four five years back. Do some companies be no? Readies companies landed up some of them were wired. I think I see. Okay. Yeah. I think our technology is kind of Vinit different because we think an indexing approach to this big a problem, nobody else has taken dish approach at all. I never heard about any other small startups who have said today. We are going to use a key value store index. All your large data sets and this is the way I would providing Lindsey Graham, and the other different shares real service. So I think a lot of things have changed in laugh, Ryan, where people have to do download our trying new infrastructure. It used to be a lot of work, but now seen even bigger signs are medium, size companies, dryness dried offset winning day, just because it's very easy to try it out. So one of the big changes is something you personally involved in right, which is basically going from these open source disturb. Voted file systems like HDFS to now these objects stores in the right. Yes. Now it seems like people will just put it in three the, you know, with in the performances difference is gone with Infinity bam. Exactly L wanting a ring as fast like twelve years back, I think it was one of its dined, but now, I think s trees so much better. Usable in just updated Byun, nobody bothers to install HDFS around Jefferson anymore. If something that the are you folks mostly going to play in kind of the infrastructure layer. Are you going to start building some many apps on top of Roxette? I think our goal is to really enable developers two billion applications. Right. So at this point, our in dire, focus is how do we make data infrastructure so easy? So simple that the only thing that developers blocked on Israeli their creativity and not on. What did I in for structure in do? So the answer is no one hundred percent focused on beacon infrastructuring. See, well, this has been a great conversation, and thank you, drew shrewdly for joining me today. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Asser reminder, many of the topics covered in the Sepah are going to be the subject of many, many, good sessions on data engineering, architecture at the upcoming strata. Data conference in New York City September. You follow drew intruding on Twitter at Druba, underscore rots, and at Trudy baht respectively. Thanks for joining us. If you like the show, please describe and rate us on items, or Stitcher, or tune in dot com or sunk, log, or Spotify, and never miss an episode.

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Julie Piatt: Seeing The Divinity In Everything

The Rich Roll Podcast

1:45:00 hr | 11 months ago

Julie Piatt: Seeing The Divinity In Everything

"If we really care about the planet and we care about our life and we want to lift this experience higher. It's about the interaction with many diverse diverse life forms so I think in soil regeneration diversity is a key underlying foundational power which creates a healthy the environment we have to bring that awareness of diversity into our own life forms. There are billions of life forms that are interacting here. And so how can we come to each other when we're not the same and instead of be in judgment and analysis and separation would if we just said please show me more of who you are. Show me I'm so interested. I'm so curious. Tell me who you are. Why is it that you feel that way? How is it that you feel in you experience and express your own divinity or whatever your life mission is we need to soften these edges and understand that we all share this planet? 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This conversation station is many things I we catch up where we left off in our last episode or a p four sixty five back in September with an update update on the progress of Sri Mu Julie's plant based cheese company how Julie is manifesting her vision to create the absolute best artisanal Vegan. You can cheese on the market. What start up? Founder life behind the scenes looks like the values. She's building into her food and her work culture and the broader mission and she holds for the future. We also discuss the House and wise behind my decision to take my first ever extended work sabbatical. which by the a time you hear this I will be already well into but don't worry? The podcast will continue as scheduled and as we always do this time of year. Julian Explorer Strategies for navigating the perilous emotional and financial landmines that accompany the holiday season and finally we we close with thoughts on weathering the judgment of others maintaining a growth mindset approaching people all of varying perspectives with humility and grace and the benefits of choosing to see the divinity in all things and with that I once again give you the one and the only Julie Pyatt off right here we go. Hello my darling. Hey we're long overdue for a long form podcast. Just for the sake of maintaining the health of our relationship we are. You just called me my darling ever. I said that before. Never like in twenty eight so my normal. How is that how? Where did that come from? I don't know let's unpack that. We don't go back. Cut Lots of talk about today. It's been a while since you've been on the show and I think a good place to kick off though is bring up to speed on what's going on with Sri mood do life now cheese because there's been a lot of activity around your burgeoning Vegan. You can cheese empire. Yeah well first of all thanks are asking for first of all. I just want to thank everybody who has been an early subscriber. You guys blow me away. You've been amazing. And you've been so supportive and even as I've had to send a couple of updates with sort of shift in schedule Just the overwhelming amount of love and support from podcast listeners. So Oh thank you beautiful tribe. I totally love you guys It's really super exciting. Things have been going amazingly well. I have an amazing facility the in South East. La and it's a gorgeous kitchen facility Sort of it's within another like kitchen village or kitchen facility of many many compound controversial kitchens. But you have your own. Does I have my own space. And it has windows to the outside side and it's really super beautiful so yeah so. The update is that We had a little bit of A challenge with the the health department. Well let's let's back it up even further because the last time that you were on the show was the first announcement of you. I didn't I didn't know that you were going to. Oh you're going to announce your cheese company now like it's real yet like in your like. Yeah we're doing it and I was like okay. So the announcement was made and Dan. I think at the time you had a goal of of trying to just get like two hundred subscribers and this would be a manageable group of people all to kind of You know learn the process of what it's going to entail to put together this subscription box on the monthly or on the quarterly And in the in the in the wake of that unit up getting even though like it's not like it's not like there's been any kind of marketing or advertising around this. I think you'd have like well over three hundred right now. Over four hundred four hundred now four hundred subscribers so for those who are new to the shower. Don't know what we're talking about. Julie is a vegan cheese as master. It's something that she has perfected over many years prior to writing her book about. It called this cheeses nuts and evolution. That is continued in the wake of that book and its success and that book basically tells everybody. Here's how you make these amazing plant based Jesus but more and more people are saying. That's great but I'm never going to do that. Like just can. Can I just buy we. Just make it for me and I can buy it and every dinner party we went to everywhere. We that you would always bring your your wares with you and it would always people and this kind of birth this idea of trying to create a company out of this which you have now taken taken from the Jus- station vision a bucket and placed it into the manifestation reality bucket and since we last sat down on this podcast you've gone from idealization into execution you've raised. Some money rented this commercial kitchen. You've hired a bunch of people people have all these subscribers now and you're now in the final stages of finalizing the packaging and you're going to be shipping very soon and in the midst of all of that there's everything anything goes into a startup bureaucracy. The paperwork the kind of the paperwork that goes with all the regulatory stuff health department and all of that atten obviously there's always kind of like delays in the stuff takes longer but you have a very patient group subscribers that you've been in constant communication with and you're really on the eve of shipping and your first batch coming soon right. That is all true. Yeah beautifully presented to bring people up if they you know what happened upon this podcast and don't know what we're talking. Yes so it's been amazing. It's been an amazing process. It's been rather fluid. I've been in my flow flow. Things are just coming together and really really with a lot of ease and a lot of grace. And that is evidence to me of the alignment of this expression. So you you know I. It's sort of the combination of all of my life experience. And what I've realized is that I met the beginning of my innovation so the cheeses and I'm shipping in the first sacred red box of shrinking. Do Life at comes six flavors in a box. Those are the new evolution of cheeses. So they aren't actually the recipes that are in the book that I published. Because it's always a forward word ever evolving process of creation. But I'm also extremely blessed from all the cookbooks that I published. I've created almost five hundred recipes and then also doing all of our retreats and having my spiritual community online water tiger. Everybody that is with me has worked with me spiritually and had an experience and this includes investors as well as actual I call them sacred makers so we are creating an environment so it's not just that there are cultures cultures in the cheese. We are creating a culture of awareness no pun intended so the the when we make cheese I was I was feeling feeling into you would normally call my staff my kitchen staff or my kitchen help. And I was meditating into that and I was like I'm GonNa call them sacred makers and I'm not even going to ask them to do something to achieve that title. Because I want to name them. I want to give them that mantle from the very very beginning so that they know how special they are and they know that who touches your food is a key ingredient to the way that it tastes so so the sacred makers in our organization in our community a they are required to do a breathing meditation before anybody touches the a cheese so we are all plant based everybody that is in our facility and we are also all meditators and I have a cudgel requirement. It is actually. Yeah it's a it's a cultural preference. It's you know we set an intention to create a certain environment and my two managers actually have the title of flow. Flo Masters and I just want to give them a shot out Khloe Stein and Beck arrive. They have been by my side and they. They've been brilliant. It's just absolutely brilliant brilliant. What's your title? My title is actually mother Arc. Are you going to do business cards and put that on. I don't know whether Arc A. R. C. R. K. Air Sea but it kind of has a double meaning you know and the whole the vessel. It's a stream ms a frequency so so when I talk about it there's the business mission so the business mission is to create the most delicious artisanal cheeses on planet Earth Not Vegan cheeses just cheeses so shrew is the new evolution of Geez. It's better than cheese. It's not cheese. It's a devotional offering offering But that goes along with that is the sacred mission or the secret. Mission is to give everybody a frequency in an opportunity of awakening into the beauty of who they are and so within everything we do it has energy signatures or frequency and SOC remo- is a carrier of vis intention. This devotion is prayer that I have for humanity to awaken into. They really are right and in your facility ability you found these super dope like outfits or uniform because you've got to wear like a certain kind of clothing if you're gonna be doing food right so you found these like Japanese apennines jumps black jumpsuits. That look like they're out at like this. If you watch James Bond movie like all the you know they're in some some underground layer where the bad guys. They're all wearing like some kind of really cool like it kind of looks like well. It's you know I mean the brand is about aesthetic and you know this is moments of our lives. One of the reasons reasons that I made sure that I was able to get a facility with actually windows to the outside is that you spend a lot of hours making cheese and you want the environment to be in alignment with the brand brand so. I'm a fashion designer. And I care about design and aesthetic and I don't want people to feel like they're wearing something that's that's not pleasing to them or not. How comfortable are not functional but also just not beautiful so we found these amazing jumpsuits and we are mission based so everybody there is very clear about the mission Asia and so they're sort of like flight suits and and then we were able to get like we're wearing black sort of stocking caps rather than you? You know ugly hairnets and you know there's requirements you have to beard nuts and things like that so you'd like a cool patch. We do we say sacred maker say mother art they say yeah and they're black and gold. They're in alignment piping in like bird songs and stuff like that so the sound environment that we've created in the facility ability is all nature sounds so shrimp is a is a is a movement In Service to planet earth and to remind us how sacred our planet is and how much love and care. We need to offer her so we play just a lube of nature. Sounds from all over the planet it could be. The Amazon could be thunder under it could be ocean waves. It could be Dalton Dolphins. It could be whales but that's playing constantly. We also infuse an essence of orange blossom into the air. So we have diffusers going because you know. When I was touring facilities to rent I was shocked at the environments where our food is is prepared and it really gave me pause because there's a lot of facilities that are not very clean and they smell horrible? And you're in you think like oh my goodness like I get. Get something in a package and I think it was prepared in clean facility and there are rules but you know you can go beyond that so My intention is to create created an environment. That is very supportive to the team. And that the hours they spend in the stream culture is going to be like like wings for what they do in the rest of their lives so we have many artists. We have fine artists musicians and Sri Mu is about giving giving them that support sort of that spiritual foundation and everyone is very excited and very committed and they're really happy to be a part of something something that is focused on meaningful change and so the spirit in the facility has been very high people just showing up early. They can't wait it to get in so it's been really cool and the other thing that's coming that I haven't executed yet. Is I contacted nature photographer. Name Andrew Studer or or Stutter and he does beautiful beautiful nature photographs and so I'm licensing three of his images two of the Columbia Gorge and they're beautiful river in the forest with the green so that we can really viscerally. Remember this this planet that were served you license them for what like to put on the wall like a big mural being yeah exactly yeah and you can't. There's there's all these weird things about like what you can and can't say or call it like steering clear of the word cheese pretty much altogether like instead of saying this is a Cama bear and this this is a blue and this is a Mozzarella you came up with these names like Birdie and so they're six flavors so there's a truffle cashew truffle infused elegant. This is an aged wheel and it's called Bertie Bart There's another flavor that's called spire which is blue inspired but it's made blue with Spirulina There's another flavor that's called elder which has a food grade activated charcoal in it I also do a smoked Almond Cheddar Ball. which is not your grandma's 'cause I can't not cheese ball? It's not cheese. But it's called Bonfire and then I also have a jar of it's called cloud nine so it's cashew balls floating in salted crystal waters and it's it's as fresh thing so I am calling it not cheese on the label. It has to be called nuts. Spread on the back. But because I'm doing wholesale. I'm sorry I'm doing retail. I'm not doing wholesale. I have a little bit more leeway so I've have been able to really make the creative offering to the subscribe to the subscribers. Who are my beloved tribe and and my priority right so when you subscribe you get you? Can you sign up. And you can get a delivery either quarterly or monthly monthly every other month or quarterly three reaction. You get six cheeses in this beautiful cheeses in the box. I had to do some rig. My challenges were this first of all the packaging and the weight of the box. So this had to be reimagined a couple of times which is what with the time lag was I mean really. I'm really good. I said the last two weeks of November and we start shipping December ninth. So I feel pretty proud about that. That's a real high execution and especially at the level and the way the cheeses are coming out. They're just beautiful so in a box. You have a jar of the cloud nine. Which is the clouds floating in water? You have the smoke Tom. Shutter which has bonfire and you have four wheels this month. So there's two Berty and then one spire one elder while the cool thing. There's a bunch of cool things but one of the cool things is that I've seen you like this. This is come together like once you committed to this. It really has been as if the universe universe conspire to support it like. It's happened very quickly and all the things that you kind of needed to have happened. That are huge hurdles for anybody WHO's trying to a foster a startup have all kind of come together very fluidly and easily. which is I th I? I see that as an indication that this is the right thing for you and with that I've seen a shift in you like your disposition your personality To be very kind of empowered like you're standing in your power this is right. You have a direction. You have a North Star. And everything is kind of like doc congealing around that to support you and it's been cool and I think it's been great for our relationship to like you have this thing. That's really exciting for you. That is connecting getting with people. And it's been fun to kind of just observe that. Yeah that's true. I mean it you know. I think that all of my experience is having been a fashion designer and and been you know had my own company and gone through production and all of that and then all of the spiritual work that. I've done all of the recipes that I've created the books the retreats like everything sort of led me up to this moment and so it's almost like everything was already prepared. And that's why it was effortless because Alad that all of that preparation you know. It wasn't overnight. It's been years. Yeah it's not like you had an idea recently like this has been an idea in your mind but the the execution part of it is is fairly but I will say to that I have I feel that I've gone through a big expansion. Since July and uh-huh definitely in another level of life embodiment in. which is what I call it for me? And it's this alignment. That is so precise. Ace that is so undeniably me. And so undeniably in alignment with WHO I am. That allows me to care for this This mission addition as a very worthy steward. You know in the past. I may have been sort of spontaneous or may decisions very quickly. And it's been very quick but I've been very very protective of her and very unwavering. It's very clear to me with the mission. Shen is and what the journey is and I'm very connected to my intuition and I know I know the beauty the power and the importance of this this opportunity and it's a different me. It's a different. I've been able to stand in this alignment in ways even in finance or negotiating creating you know equity things like that. which I it's it's it's not a hardness it's a no it's just knowing it's a knowing of what is right and I feel deal? I have a responsibility to this product. This mission Sri Mu is an energy and it's like I serve her and so it's it's beyond you you leave the personality and it's really mission focus One of the most fun things is when you do these tastings like whether you know. We're going over over to a friend's and how you know people that aren't on the plant based tip and you have an opportunity to share what you're doing with them and to kind of or or like you know you've done a couple all events like Makoto Sagrada the other weekend where you have people sniffing around it but skeptical like what is this. I don't know or they haven't they've had an experience with breath plant based cheese in the past and that comes with a certain baggage or expectation and then to gauge like watch to observe them taste it and then their facial changes that happen. I mean it's just a unanimous thing. Right I mean basically every single person that has tasted this or tested it has walked away way like blown away. So it's really fun for me. MOCATTA Sagrado actually wish that I had a camera because the amount of the facial expressions Russians in support and in the thumbs up of shrimp and the way it tasted was shocking. Actually it was even even surprising me even though I've seen it time and time and time again and yesterday for instance I was at an event at a yoga studio called be crystal clear and it was a women's entrepreneur bizarre like gathering holiday and I had during the afternoon of two hours. I had women that were Italian Spanish. Swiss Swedish Rush German all give me the Bravo for my cheese and that is the the confidence confidence and the the the vote that you know is really really mean something because these are cheese cultures. I mean no pun intended again but Yeah it's been really really amazing I've had a few people refused samples who've made the statement that they don't eat plant based food but other than them. I haven't had anybody be disappointed in the taste taste food and other they only eat animal. Yeah I don't know I. I think what that is is is I think what they're really saying it. I mean look you know. There's only a very small number of people that don't eat plant based foods that we all we all eat plants. Yeah I think what they're saying is there. That's based on an assumption that this is a highly processed product product. Because if you go to the store and you look at what's available in terms of plant based foods or meat analogues or dairy analogues. They're all you. You know packed with lots of preservatives and artificial flavoring and colors. And things like that so I would suspect that. That's a reaction like they're thinking. Oh this is something. There's no way could taste that good unless you've put all kinds of crazy chemicals in it things right. I mean. They didn't tasted if they had tasted it. They would have known that were you. I think you need to put you need to make front and center that this is a natural. There is no there is none of that stuff. I mean it's it's actually shocking. How few ingredients thing exactly? It's definitely a a mastery of simplicity and pureness. So you can read the ingredients online. And it's it's it's really it's very very simple and very pure and very beautiful so well. I'm super excited for you. It's fun to say this thing. Take flights for those that are interested in learning more Sri Mu Dot com. That's where I am. You Dot Com. You can go there and learn all about it and all that kind of stuff and I'll put a link up in the shown us about but I want to switch which gears here for a minute It is November twenty fourth today. When we're recording this this is going to go up? It's going to publish on December eleventh and Rate in the lead up the thick of holiday season that we're now embarking upon and we kind of have an annual tradition of Doing a podcast gas together to help people navigate the vicissitudes and landmines that befall us this time of year but before we dive into did that I posted on instagram. The other day and twitter maybe a week earlier that I'm taking my first break in seven years ears which I'm very excited about. I'm going to places unknown on December third. But I'm really pulling the plug on work at Thanksgiving thanksgiving and I'm GonNa be disappearing until First Week of January. I know where you are. You will know where I am I. I don't need to advertise where I'm going. I'M NOT GONNA listen. You know just because I'm doing this doesn't mean I'm not going to throw up an instagram post here and there or do a story or tweet or whatever but I am going to be making a hard and fast rule around work and the truth is that and I said this in the post but for those that that didn't and didn't see that I've been running and gunning for literally seven years straight from the beginning of this podcast and it's a seven day a week nick job like I've posted every Sunday night since we began this we tried to shift the schedule. A little bit and change that date and it didn't really work so well when we went back to Sunday night which means I basically work every Sunday. You know like I'm I'm working pretty much most of the day on Sunday and I think there's a sense that like. Oh you just do these podcasts. And they go up but maybe that's how some people do it but that's not our process. I have amazing team of people that I work work with. But it's very very hands on and it's it's quite all consuming to do six episodes a month on top of all the other things that I'm doing professionally and then just you know trying to make sure that I stay married to you and be a present parent to our kids. That's the man and having to households during the week where you know either. You're downtown downtown downtown with our elder daughter which is something we've talked about in the past like it's been complicated it's been challenging and and over this seven year period. I'm very proud of what we have co created. But it's been a ton of work you know and I really haven't taken gonNA break. I get to travel to all these cool places and meet all these cool people but it is invariably tied to some kind of work commitment and certainly I take a day here in in their duck out and go to that neigh. Take little breaks. But I've never have taken a real vacation where I'm like okay. I'm totally tapping out or anything and extend it so. This is long overdue very excited about it and I desperately need to recharge. I wouldn't say that I'm burned doubt. I'm definitely not burned out but I've sensed over the last couple months that I'm just tired. You know and and and I go into these interviews just slightly less enthusiastic than I should be or that I would prefer to be and I WANNA be in love with the process and I want to be excited and exuberant and enthusiastic. When I sit down across the table from a guest I think I owe them that? I think the audience that and in order to play the long game and take out an insurance policy. That will allow me to continue to do this like you. You have to take breaks station. Period is important for so many reasons not just arrest my physical body to really allow myself to ruminate to have this base so that I can Begin to put the pieces together on what the next thing is or or what it is that I really WanNa manifest and create in this world and and when I'm just in the daily Gestalt of trying to do the show and show up. My vision extends only to what what I have to get done that day and not to the bigger picture of like. Why am I even doing this? Or what. What is it that I'm actually trying to accomplish? Your what is the mission statement statement and in order to really get clarity and refined that clarity. You know I'm GonNa take this break and it's a little scary because you know. I said this an instagram post. Like if I lived alone I would work more like I love it like it's not like I dread it like I love it. I would work all the time. And that's another indication why I need to pull the rip cord and get a little perspective on this definitely. Well it's well deserved and you know everybody needs time to recharge so you know it's going to be fun to see what you discover what you uncover and You know you. You have a lot to say you have a lot of other things to share. Besides the podcast you're brilliant writer and you know there are many many other expressions that are there for you If you WANNA bring them through but as you said if you're only focused on the podcast and you never take breaks you don't have the space for those inspirations to come in but yet like two rats armonk but like there's no. There's no time right now. And I've got a reconfigure some things to provide a little extra space so I can do things that are important. That are outside of just what I do when I sit down at the table. And and thank you for all the beautiful beautiful work that you've put out and that you created and it's affected many many many people and I know that many people listening to this or green with what I'm saying right now really really. This offering has been profoundly impactful on many people's lives. So thank you for that but we would like you to still be around and the thing is like can I do it like am I going to be able to resist. I like checking my email. Am I going to. That's the test like ooh. That makes me uncomfortable. Another reason why I need to do this. Yeah definitely and maybe then after this three-set and you know you really worked the entire year to be able to take this month Latina's for won the last six weeks in particular have been insane. You know trying to get ready to the show for people that are listening to the show is going to continue to go on. We bagged a ton of episodes and we worked really hard to get them all locked and loaded so the show. We'll continue without without a break when I'm gone because of all the work that we did to front load it in the meantime I'm excited. I'm a little nervous about the whole thing. And let me just say that just to check my privilege a little bit like. It's a gift that I get to be able to give myself this opportunity Dan. I'm very aware and realize that not everybody can do that. I'm grateful to have the opportunity and it was something that that I thought I was going to do last year ear but I didn't take the steps required in order to do it and the time just pass I just filled it up with a bunch of stuff like oh you WanNa vacation okay. You can do that next two year. Literally the plan for this break began in January of a full year ago to get ready for it so anyway. Well I I have to have an amazing amazing experience. I hope to find you sometime mid month. So here we are. Were were on. This train headed into the holiday season. A lot of people I think it's fair to say ourselves included like experience a little bit of anxiety things -iety extra anxiety and stress and perhaps even some distress around this period of time because we find ourselves in family situations that perhaps trigger us in certain ways or bring up old patterns and and despite our best efforts or our plans to not be reactive we find ourselves reacting in an unhealthy way repeating that cycle of unhealthy behavior. We feel compelled to over extend ourselves by showing up for too many people because we feel. That's what's expected of us and we feel ourselves over consuming or over participating in the consumerist cycle that is baked into this time of year. It's a trope to say. Hey that every year the holiday season starts earlier but it does like it used to be an unwritten rule that no Christmas music would be heard in any any retail store until Thanksgiving or the day after Thanksgiving but I was in starbucks like ten days ago like early November and there were. They were playing playing Christmas music. I think they started before Halloween. It's insane and is absolutely insane. And it's all driven to get us to get our wallets and our pocketbooks out and spend money that either we don't have or we don't WanNa have because we feel that's part of the social contract that we signed up for so help us find a healthier way to pass through this triggering time of year. Well as I always say triggering as I always say this time of year here is the entire society has You know in in my in my awareness deliberately put an opposing force on top of the natural cycle of life. So in December we see as the sun starts get- getting lower sooner and we start rich at like six thirty good night. I'm I'm going to bed and go to bed at like when when it gets dark early. I'm literally in bed at eight o'clock right and then if I have to do something that keeps me up at night and I'm in bed at like ten. I feel lousy the next day and I was like I felt like I stayed up till two in the morning. No but the thing is is that you know the world is dark and the inclination is then to retire to go within. It's an inner experience so when you're coming into December the natural cadence of life in the Northern Hemisphere. Miss fear is that the days are getting shorter. And it's a time of inner reflection it's when all of creation comes to a- death and then starts to be reborn after the solstice solstice but instead we have the super imposition of this consumerism program. which is telling you that you should be spending more money than you have if you just tap into the feeling inside of yourself you're spending money but inside of yourself? It feels like you shouldn't be spending money. It's in it's in fact exactly counter. It's like but you have this program that tells you that if you don't buy presents for all your loved ones and you're not showing they love them and you get caught up in it and it's kind of cool and you know we we all like elves and I like Santa Claus and you know I like the beautiful treaty with the sparkling lights on it and they become family traditions. And so you know I think most of America spends the entire year pain off their credit card debt for what they spend for Christmas and if we look at really the violence of that in the suppression of that on human being just even energetically like if it's just sitting there. That debt is sitting there it is actually pulling from the human in pulling from the soul so first of all just to recognize it. This counterforce is there and that you can sort of refine China or maybe recreate it in a more simplistic way. I'm not saying don't buy any gifts. You could buy gift for people you could. Just try to simplify simplify envision. More creative ways makeup ways that you can share the gift of experience instead of stuff so maybe an amazing dinner or an amazing treasure hunt or an amazing you know offering of a play or a song try to be more creative than the mall or then Amazon or wherever wherever we normally go to satisfy these needs the other thing is just being aware of the landfill and what are you buying in. What is then going? You know where is is the waste going. There's so much waste so much waste. It is so strange that that this holiday falls upon us at this time of year because it is true like every instinct in my body is the hibernate. pull the sheets up to go within two to kind of be a little little bit more reclusive than I wouldn't I would ordinarily and to kind of store. The chestnuts to get through the winter and yet were compelled or sort of pressured into this environment in which we have to do the exact opposite it runs counter to our natural rhythms and the cycle of this time of year. Unless you're living in in south that's one of the reasons why you know. Well I can't reveal but we're going someplace with sun you know and that was the reason I'm really interested. I'm intrigued to know that if you're I wonder if we're in the if we're in the southern hemisphere if you feel the same energetic interesting I want to find out because it doesn't it doesn't you and I are for the rest of our lives will be in the southern hemisphere during that time. Because it's always a bummer. And you're it's always some people love it though just for me like it affects me deeply every December. I'm like we. We should go somewhere where it's not like this right now and now we can you know but I would say also like on the point of trying to be a little bit more creative with the gift giving Ethos some of the most meaningful and fun times that we had around this time of year with kids were when Dan. We were literally flat broke and penniless and we had. We were forced to be creative about what we were going to do to get through this experience and there were a couple of years where the rule was. We're not buying anything you have to make something right. And so we were compelled to get creative trapper. made a video the Like a hilarious video that still. I wash it recently so funny and that was a long time ago we bought like super will we did buy. We bought super cheap not shirts and then we painted them or we painted a pair of like cheap sneakers or whatever just to create like little art pieces head of like doing the normal thing some of the most the most fun time so for anybody. Who's going through a dismantling or doesn't have flow right now or is really you know in in a sacred moment that is challenging you financially a please get creative and turn it into something positive you will never I forget these times? These times are special. Actually and it's not really it's not really expansive or the life. Experiences is that you remember the Christmas or the holidays or whatever you celebrate. Were you got more stuff. You remember the more meaningful things. The dinner enter the play the song the comedy skit. Whatever you're able to create yeah I mean it also amplifies that that thing thing where you're measuring your experience against the experience of others and I think it's very shame provoking for a lot of people like they can't do it like that or this guys do it? Look what he's he's doing for. The whole thing is like super unhealthy. Yeah it is definitely is what about going into the a family standard family situation. Yeah I mean you know the thing is is obviously the holidays are loaded. We all know that the families hold the biggest triggers for for all of us being stalled the trigger installed they installed the bud. Say You installed the trigger at a soul level and then maybe shows as family and they're providing fighting the perfect soil life. I WanNa be our makes me go crazy when somebody says this. Hopefully that provides you the evolution so you can clear whatever that whatever that Miami or that imbalance is but the the big truth that I think is our friend and is is an opportunity for us to move beyond all this assessment and judgment and analysis of humans and our culture and conditions and all kinds of things is to understand that there is no consensus. There's great power and understanding. There is no consensus senses. There is only one of you in the entire multi verse. There is only one of every one of us in the entire multi-diverse but if it's a multi verse is aren't having a parallel experience somewhere else. Just well yeah but what does that have to do this. There's more than me. Well Yeah but that is another me having a totally different experience in in in the broader multi definitely ends up. Do you find solace expansion and I just go. Yeah my point is is that for some reason humans are always trying to. I'm how these long discussions and do analyses and decide inside inside their mental construct that a certain way is the way or in this can be opinions ways of life however you live there is there's no consensus and when you understand there is no consensus. You can possibly stop trying to feel triggered or wounded by your family family having another reality or another truth if you understand that each person will have their own perspective and they have the right to have that perspective you you can just simply let go and just rather than go into family Dinners or holiday gatherings where you're with people from different political co parties or people for different dietary lifestyles. There's no reason to create drama or emotional outburst I for reasons of differences of opinions or choices in the way of being if you're centered in yourself you have that peace ace and that awareness so walk me through the brass tacks of that of this. Let's say you're you're getting the family getting on a plane you're headed to this. You're GonNa your landed in Cincinnati fanatic. But no I'm taking I'm just creating you know an example uncle. Jerry's GonNa be there you know he's probably going to drink too much like he always does. And then he's going to say that thing and last time he did. This is what happened. And and you kind of know that that program is just waiting for you And despite your best intentions of having a go differently this time you know you let it go. Oh you did it. I'm letting it go okay. Fine and then it just keeps going until finally you're like all right I've had enough. And then you say the thing and then the whole thing goes to shit right. I think a lot of people can relate some version of that so in a very practical way. How do you like what is it that you have to do to avoid that pitfall or stop yourself from doing the thing that's contributing to the greater problem ultimately it's doing the inner work and all all of that outbursts comes from you or us not giving ourself the attention the care the recognition that we need and so my spiritual mentorship program which is called water tire? The reason that is called water tiger is it is all designed to bring us into resonance resonance with who we are so that we can fall again in love with who we are. So when you when you haven't taken care of yourself your inner child or your needs are your wants. You are looking for validation from the outside and many of us have this wounding. It's very very common. And to have that to need your parent to give you that. That validation and it goes on into our fifties and sixties where we're you know we're still waiting for our moms are father'd say you matter are you or whatever I see you I see you you know. And and you'll hear the it's it's not the setup like it can be the setup if you happen to have that really amazing relationship with your parent which you could or you could not but the point that we're always waiting for that. Final validation is just an illusion we we have our attention in focus in the wrong place. If we've taken the time to give ourself the care to consider ourselves first to understand that we matter to understand that every single life forming creation is being shined upon with equal brilliance. There is no discrimination between between different lifeforms. So why as human beings do we always think we have to convince other people to think how we think or receive validation allegation from the outside so that we feel enough on the inside and so I do this mirror practice water tiger where you actually go sit in the mirror and and you stare in your eyes and you breathe and you face. What is there? And there's a lot of things that come up for people. There's a lot of pain a lot of tears. They start to see different aspects of themselves but if they can get through the discomfort of that they can get to a deeper resonance in alignment with who they are and understand under that you have the opportunity and the responsibility to care for yourself as if you were your most beloved child and what we do do is we take all the focus outside of that. And we're looking for that validation to be given from the outside so if you're fully aligned in yourself self and you understand that this play is made up of billions of different life forms you could simply choose to view you. What was his name? Uncle Uncle Harry Carey Uncle Jerry. You could just view uncle uncle uncle Jerry. It could just be like I'm a tiger and I- resonate with that and uncle. Jerry could just be you know an owl right. And when you're in that if he's Rhino so what then he's a rhino. It's like there's no reason you know. A tiger is not going to spend time feeling gene less than or triggered because a rhino is being a rhino like a rhinos. Just being a rhino. It's not it's not at me. It's not personally me. I'm unique nick and I have my own way of moving through life. Sometimes I'LL WANNA dance with people and that'll feel great but I don't need them to be like me for me to be valid. Did and that is a huge thing. I mean this goes into other topics in in our culture and you know the dialogues. That go on twitter. and that everybody's everybody's always pontificating these huge conversations about different points of view and it's like you know my favorite saint this beautiful woman stream Nongoma Onto Moines Ma one of my favorite quotes. She said every man is right from his own point of view so every woman is right from her own point of view. So where is the friction action. What are we doing? It's nonsense. It's just nonsense. And when you release that meade Uncle Jerry is not gonNa do that thing while Jerry GonNa be Jerry and there's nothing you could do about it and we're you should do about the point is the past of freedom is releasing your need for Jerry to be any different than Jerry already is and to focus on the only thing that you can control. which is your reaction or response to Jerry or to the environment that you choose to to move yourself into right and the more that you can kind of be kosh carried that conscious awareness into these tricky environments and the more grounded and centered that you and become by virtue of mindfulness practices a meditation practice? Actes ceiling your field which is something that you know. You've taught me in that I've done and we've talked about on this podcast You you are in a better position. -sition to weather those tricky situations by being non-reactive like you have a choice you don't have to react to whatever that person person says you don't have to prove them wrong or to prove that you're right or to Need the validation of anybody else. You could just sit in your space anchor yourself in your seat and if you have to. You don't have to say anything but the more non reactive you can be in the more mindfully responsive responsive you can be your in a better position to have a different experience and the power rests within you to change or break that old paradigm and dynamic that continues to repeat itself every year. Don't wait for somebody else to make a different choice or handle things differently. Don't point your finger across the table at somebody and say you did it again. That power is is within you but it and it yes and then let's take it even a level let's even be more powerful. Let's taking a level beyond that. Let's take it to an observational place. Place and a recognition that every life form is divine and that means that Uncle Jerry in his state of awareness at this point in this identity is also divine. Nine it is not for you to judge and so what if you were able to observe jerry in his process with unconditional love and acceptance. It's not like I'm going to make the right move and then I'm going to be in a better place or look at me like maybe I'm quietly judging him but what. I didn't say anything. How great yes? So that's not energy is something so you're not there if that's where you are so if you can really just let let it go and understand and trust in the play of life you can just allow events to unfold. Allow people to be who they are and understand with compassion and love that each person is divine in each person is a form of some sort of divinity or aspect of God consciousness us even if they're not awake or they're not choosing to experience something. That is in alignment with you. And if you you if you if you truly embody this though the triggers will simply melt away and there are chances. are that uncle. Jerry very will meet you in a completely different way than you ever dreamed possible because these energies are things and they're triggering they're playing off of each other and and another thing to keep in mind over the holidays and all times is it is a very prudent practice to avoid explosive confrontation. Always always and the reason is in my awareness. There are actually life forms that eat this explosion. If if if you really exploded on somebody somebody and I've had that experience you can feel the level of darkness that is that you can feel what's going on so we want to to not be triggered into those situations because they really do have a dark energy around them and if you want to be a representative for for higher vibration on planet earth or a higher of vision of eating of wellness if you want to be that type of person. That van includes stain in neutral loving compassion and not participating in creating more of this dark energy that is plentiful on planet earth. which we certainly don't need more I think it's also worth saying that. If you don't feel like you are spiritually and emotionally fit to handle that task. You have the power to new decline the end with the invitation. There's so much pressure on people like well every year. This is what we do and so I have to go. And the truth is you don't and and just because these people are your family members and you're measuring your experience with your family against some idyllic imagined Paradigm of of what. A family is a healthy family. Supposed to look like and feeling bad because yours doesn't measure up to that and you feel like you're you're not gonna be able to handle it in an emotionally healthy way then. I think it's also K.. To let people know to give them permission unlike listen you know you're you have to look out for yourself first and if you don't feel like this is in your best interest to do this like it's okay if you take a pass ass and you know this is something that I've learned the secret society rooms of recovery like you. You know this time of year is the most Loaded loaded of the people who are trying to stay sober. You know relapse. People that are active in their disease becomes uh-huh additionally inflamed you know disproportionately inflamed around this time of year because of these dynamics and they become so uncomfortable for people that they feel like the only way they can do it is if they numb themselves out and use so if you are struggling with some form of substance since problem It's okay to opt out like if you have to if you feel like that's jeopardizing your ability to stay sober. Not Take that drink or do that thing. Hang than your well being is more important than you. Taking a seat across the table from Uncle Cherry. Yeah absolutely and I mean that falls under the first step and that is self care you you must be there for yourself. I and make sure that your fulfilled year cared for your protected. Protect your nurtured. You have to because no one else is going to do that for you nor should they. You should be every decision you make should be. How does this affect my being my inner child my little child? Is this an alignment for him. Is this an alignment for her. What is what would be the most this nurturing act for her? That's where you begin. And when you shift that that order of priority than the universe shifts that order order yeah I think people feel I mean it brings up. You know emotions of guilt like I know you don't understand like I have to go like if I don't go like this is going to happen and this is going to happen and that's going to happen so it's just easier for me to go even if you know like I know I probably it's not in my best. Interest like expectation expectation level is just too high and I don't want to deal with the fallout. Well it is. It is a real thing you know. It is a real thing because when you shift your behavior that causes is the other energies to jump up. Don't expect to be celebrated for that. Well it's so it really has to be a personal choice. I mean you have to be able to stand Sovereign and your choice and this is where the mirror were comes in is when you've really received yourself and really looked at what you're sitting. Lena what is your spirit sitting in and you've gone through all the things that you low than all the shame and all the trauma that's in there from his life from other lives is when you actually sat with it and looked at it and resolved. It you start to get more and more power but I would say overall even if you choose to go and you're not ready to make that stance and you feel it to be too volatile again. Your power is in neutral loving compassion. Just be neutral. It's fine you you know and you'd be surprised how powerful this practices. You gotTa Channel Some Iota Energy. That's it doesn't matter or jet I isn't like getting into a political argument Atta festive holiday gathering. The jet is not allowing himself to be emotionally agitated by other people. They're not yet. I is constantly in a mindful state of neutrality. Exactly and that's the best place from which to basically Exhibit the best version of WHO. You are yeah exactly and you know people are on the own timelines so in our own family. You know here we are you know Wellness leaders advocates. You know created over five five hundred vegan recipes Sri Mu do life and you know just recently you know some of my family members. My brother's like hey. I think I'm going to go. Va He you know. It's been like ten years. So but everybody's on their timelines and now he's documented calling but I mean that's the perfect thing isn't it. I mean Dr Phil Your family. Your birth family usually at least in our generation doesn't see doesn't see who's sitting inside their family and also many of us who came to create a new way. It's a setup reincarnated into families that we are not like vibration because that's where the transformation happens so many of us feel like black sheep sheep. Many of us feel lonely. Feel misunderstood isolated. I would say that's probably been historically the biggest pain in my life to be misunderstood and not seen for who I am yeah. I think it's very common. I felt that way most of my life and a big part of the growth curve. The evolution is in the realization. Jose Shin that. I'm not looking to my family members to resolve that for me. Well I don't I'm not. I'm not outsourcing that the job of getting comfortable with myself to other people that you've done that because you've developed yourself because you've had you know the trope abeyance. You couldn't do that very well before you had done that. So again it goes back to the self work and the experience you could call it years experience but also really the focus of your answer the answer to your evolution as inside your own being so those anybody else from the outside. It's just irrelevant. It just doesn't matter and I think I mean I'm certainly seen as I've gotten older house. Suddenly these competitions petitions within my siblings or just dissolving. Because suddenly. You know you're not nobody's vying for the attention or you know one of my father's passed away and my mother is ninety two and it's just things change and they become irrelevant and then suddenly yes suddenly. You're like hey what's up like it's just not it's just not what it was like. It's so loaded when we're younger we're just looking for that validation like CBC me see me and you hear so how many stories from people that say you know. My mother's still hoping that I get a real job things that you experienced that. Of course moms don't want you to be a doctor. I think I mean it's like fifty three now. You know what I mean. Like the the larger point is these patterns become entrenched like whatever that wounding is or that pain point right you experienced as a young person in a dynamic with another individual at your sister. Your Mom Your Dad your brother. Whoever these things then repeat and get played laid out like thousands and thousands of times through adulthood? So you're in your fifties and dynamic that you have with sibling is exactly the same as when you were like six and ten or whatever and then having that awareness is the first step to resolving it but then you have to really we do the inside work to kind of transcend that and not not just fall prey into kind of doing what you always do. It's hard. It's really hard but identifying saying like understanding what that core wound is I like. How did this begin like when did we start doing this and why and then realizing like? It's it's ridiculous fifties now. Why are we still in this dance? But you can't even realize it because you have to clear the trauma you have to have faced yourself and find it because you can't intellectually make it go away. It's not going to and the thing that that is happening to humanity is these are ancestral patterns that are are being handed down from generation to generation without spiritual awakening. They are causing a recycling. So you're just going to drop this body take another life and you'll come back with the same issues over and over and over again and so. This is the moment of spiritual awakening. This is the moment in history that were at and this is the opportunity. And so this is why the devotion to spiritual practice to really really going deep inside your own being in finding out who you are are clearing the trauma clearing the addictions claiming your sovereignty. This is the moment were at and if you don't resolve them they will continue. Can you through lifetime after lifetime after lifetime they generally they don't just continue. They tend to become amplified. Certainly right until you reach a crisis point that forces your compels you to confront now's and those are the lucky ones actually the people that kind of just repeat it and it's a low grade kind of problem are never enough pain. Actually look at it like that's what they you know. People in the Secrets Grateful Alcoholic Rama. Grateful drug addict because because the drugs are so. It's so like this something. I talked about the Russell brand. He's like we'll clear the heroin like if you're it's going to come to an end end because it's so obvious what your dilemma is. What your problem is so the drug addicts are actually the lucky ones? Because they're forced to confront this thing and it sends them it kind of catalyze this trajectory of self discovery but short of that. If you're struggling with something that is impeding. Negatively elite negatively impact impacting. Your Life in some way. But it's it it doesn't percolate up into becoming a full blown crisis you could just sort of weather it the rest of your life and never really look. That's very true and I mean it's also stated and spiritual evolution as well that you know the dark. A someone with a lot of dark energy has a lot more opportunity to self realize in in some cases than someone who's just sort of like flatlined right because you're right because then that could that could never sort of activate that cabalists moment so. Yeah it's very very true so if you're in a dark moment I always say that. If you're really really really last at least once in your life you will have a profound sacred moment. Pain is the great lever and all of this but the truth is that the choice is always available to you because everybody knows what they're the thing is that they need to look at on on some level some level of conscious awareness and the choices available to you to confront or deal with. This is easier when it when it blows up in your face and then you. There's no choice do something I've been pondering lately a lot and it's like what if everything that you did really mattered like really had had a big impact and you know you look at the modern life and what we're in an how our life goes on our days and it's is very easy to be lazy. It's very a easy to just when you have space turn on net flicks. It's very easy to medicate with food or drugs or alcohol or sex or talking. Incessant present talking in pontificating about different various topics and political stances. And then feel as if you participated in. You did something that was you know. Catalyzing change or evolving. It's it takes diligence to commit to spiritual practice Meditation Observation Survey Shin Within Yourself. Self Enquiry Refining Your Diet Use Zine movement of the body to actually understand that this is a body temple. All it takes diligence. And you know I was talking to a friend today. It was talking to me about how he hasn't had as much evolution as that. He will he wanted and it's like I had to point out to him that he's kind of been on the sidelines. He's not really in the commitment of saying to the universe I am here. I am showing up for this. And it's a practice and it's it's really a thing because these moments are very very precious and so what if if it did matter every single thing you did every day. What if there was no like downtime where I'm just gonna I'm just going to eat this lollipop pop or I'm just GonNa Watch this crime show because I like it? That's what I like. Crime show like. What if every single no? But I'm I'm I am and I'm not. I mean the thing you know myself you know like I'll have this feeling like oh I had this big expansion you know. Now you know I'm gonNA check out for a while like like how is it that we're checking out. And what if we understood how precious every moment of this life was and what you know everybody has the same twenty four hours in the day at least in this realm so You know time is a funny thing But you know that's something that I've been I've been really pondering green and I guess it's come to my awareness with my connection with domin her spiritual community and in Italy near Todi no and Falco the founder. You know they were and they were doing some experiments and time travel and they would move simply a stone from one position to the other position and that would change a trajectory three of history and so that brought into my awareness. Just how important everything we do the way we do things our intention when we do things. How are we spending in that downtime? And really how important is that crime show like is it. What are we doing with our attention if we are powerful crate creators which we we are so we live in a quantum world and we're choosing to place our intention on a scenario that is not expansive for humanity and and were sometimes that can be for an exploration to learn about something that's out of balance so that we can formulate a solution and so it's not having blinders on not knowing what's going on but this brings me to a tendency in the culture is to call out all the problems that are going on John which makes the ego feel really justified because the egos taken a stance but if we are in fact quantum beating beings and we're only calling hauling out the problems in looking for everything that is lacking and how are we participating in the upliftment of our world? And what if I've talked about this before. So we are all Kristich beans or we are. We are Christ beans and not in a religious sense in a spiritual sense and so the real meaning of of being a crisis holding something in higher vision despite appearances to the contrary. So I've done that with through our life with the transition and the The evolution of our house and going through financial collapse and me holding this vision and serving green that was ceremony and commitment coming back and back to it again and again and again no matter how many lawyers and how many business people told me I was crazy I still held it. It was like six years or five years that I did that. The crazy person in the room. And then VAT reality came to fruition. And we're here now. Same thing Mr Wash Rush. Who is one of the speakers at original thinkers held this vision that he would be released from a life? Sentence in prison painted it into a painting. I may have talked about this before. But just to understand that he was quantum leap participating in creating the world he wanted to create so I ran into David. Holbrook who's the founder of original thinkers at Mocatta Sagrado. Original thinkers is is an ideas festival kind of like Aspen Ideas Festival or Ted takes place in telluride that we attended an amazing amazing amazing Festival and so many good creative beautiful all human beings doing amazing things on planet earth and and I was speaking to heaven. He was asking me. You know what do you think about next year and so we're going to have a meeting in December remember but I told him you know. Where is the vision where what are what have what are we creating and not that? I WANNA make a grand consensus because because that will be very multilayered because we're all different life forms but what are we committing to as feeling beans that want a a different reality on earth. We want our waters clean. We want our animals cared for. We want ourselves healthy. We want are starving. Children Fed head. We want the pedophilia to be gone from this planet. What are we doing to hold the higher vision? This is the moment we have all the energy here to support us and I see so many people just talking about the problems. The problems problems problems and then going away. and where's the beauty. So I think this is the mission. This is the task or the opportunity that we have right now and to spend times as we've shared about our experience experience. How do you create a beautiful experience in your life? You spend time doing the things that you love. Because that creates a loving field and that becomes magnetic connectik so how can we take that feeling and then roll it out to all of our individual mission Sri Moos a part of my mission. Your your podcast in your your books and your writings. That's a part of your vision in all of us have a piece all of us have something to share but can we understand that. We are quantum beans and that we are creating this. And I don't mean put your head in the sand and say it's all UNICORNS and rainbows and we're going to skip away together. I'm not talking about that. We we know we're in a planetary room that has tremendous levels of of you know my Azam and dark happenings that are happening opening in this realm. So I'm not an illusion but I'm saying we are the quantum healers we are the quantum masters. Let's let's step into that and let's let's make an experiment and let's see what we can do and if we don't succeed at least we try at least we at least we got got together and said. Hey let's do that. Let's let's make an agreement that we're going to tweet or post you know. Ninety eight percent can't positive information and not send any of the negative social is not the answer but again idea. It's it's not. I think there's a Obama talked about this in that clip that I share and I think you re tweeted as well this idea. This illusion that if if you're attacking people on social media or you know standing in judgment of others that you're you're really only serving your own ego do you know you're you're you're creating this illusion that you've actually done something when you actually haven't done anything so tweeting positive. Things is great. But what are you actually doing in your life right. Let's transcend the digital space to actually be functional in the solution Russian of the things that AOL culturally right now We need more of that and I think that you're spot on those other observations since we're on the precipice now tonight I'm going to be sharing The podcast that I did with John. Molly Chester of Apricot Lane farm arms. They are the people behind the documentary. The biggest little farm. So if you're listening to this that show is already gone up and you're aware that I've posted that and this has been a a tricky. It's on the subject of of other people's judgment and negative perspectives. Actives on things Because there was a certain contingent of the Vegan community. That was very unhappy that I visited this farm and chose to engage these people in a conversation around climate change and regenerative farming practices and carbon sequestration and soil health. And all of these things things and it was disheartening. I understand like look I'm Vegan. I've been Vegan for twelve years. I chose not to participate in this cycle of of animal harm a long time ago but I'm also very conscious that these issues are not binary more complicated than that and you know. This is a couple who left their urban existence in Santa Monica to try to do something they weren't going to tweet how the soil is being depleted. They actually we went and bought a farm and tried to prepare the soil. Imagine that yeah and and you know along the way. They made a choice that that I would like to believe. I wouldn't make which ages to sell their animals for food from time to time and because of that there's a section of the community that was very unhappy. Be with me and my choice to have a conversation with these people. And that's disheartening to me because these are people who have a lot out of experience in. What's what's actually required? When you put your hands in the dirt to sequester that carbon and being the solution of climate change change and I have a lot of respect for that and I have empathy for that so back to Uncle Jerry? Sitting across from the table I am not sitting in judgment of these people. In fact I'm expressing using empathy for them and that empathy doesn't necessarily have to be tied to an endorsement of every single belief and behavior that they engage in but I can celebrate. Operate some things that they're doing that I think are worthy of notice and worthy of being celebrated absolutely I mean the thing is is that these individuals it was from the love of their dog. Actually they had a dog that would that wouldn't stop barking. And isn't this isn't yeah so they ended up. Yeah like they got addicted from their apartment. Santa Monica and they were like we need to find a place for a dog. The dog had like a name like Tony. Like a very humid daughters. So yes they created this farm really for this dog and it's turned into to this ten year expression. And you know myself I you know I have no experience growing food. I have no experience with soil. You know we have three the acres here that it's our dream to develop it to you. Know we've left it wild so we use hardly any water but but we're not we're not we're not in the process of of of replenishing the soil podcasting and making vegan cheese so I'll go on twitter and talk about soil regeneration generation and climate change and I can have conversations with amazing people that help spread that message but my hands are not in the dirt right and so the thing is is. That's your. That's your skill right. That's your divine design and their divine design is that they created this whole ecosystem. I saw I didn't see the whole movie but I saw some of the footage and it's like like they have like a whole like flocks of birds returning. I mean the thing is just thriving. It's crazy what they've created now. I'm not I wouldn't make the choice to slaughter the animal it's not. It's not what I'm doing but I'm looking at everything that they're doing right. The they have so I have so much to learn from them so much to learn from them how would I how would I ever judge them however be in judgment of them I just. I couldn't be so everyone has to understand that when we wake up were causing harm I had this question. Come up in my community called just a couple of days ago. Oh and it was about this question of veganism and you know what's right and what's wrong and I would bring it back to yourself and say that every single act that you participated dissipation in any lifetime in any realm. You will have to reconcile that act. And so it's really about you and you. How are you know? Is that got an alignment for you. And this is one of the reasons maybe that I haven't been embraced by the Vegan community because I was raised in Alaska my dad hunter and even though I was a child and I was raised. You know with meat and then later. When I discovered Yoga I stopped eating meat just naturally literally I still never really made a statement or a declaration like? I don't really consider myself Vegan. I am a feeling connected. Bean in who spontaneously makes decisions in the moment and I've always said that if my body told me that it needed meat as medicine I would find the cleanest leanest meat. I would do a prayer over it needed and reverence until I didn't need it anymore now. That's never happened and I don't see it happening but I don't like I think when we bring violence into our choices and we're using them to separate ourselves from people we really miss and for you to be attacked attacked because you showed. The sustainable practices of this farm is just very short sighted. And that's you know I've said this before or like if we bring violence into the kitchen over our food choices. We've missed the entire point so again. It's not my choice. I love plant based based lifestyle. And that's why created Sri Mu obviously very focused for the planet but each individual has to make those decisions for themselves. Yeah it'll be interesting to gauge the reaction of of this podcast. I mean the truth. Is the overwhelming response when I posted on instagram was positive and these themes these subjects regenerative farming sustainable agriculture. This is this is a theme that is recurring. All the time on the show and echoed by a lot of my guests including Zach Bush. Whose huge favorite on the show Ryland Angel Heart Behind cafe gratitude? I'm putting up that episode soon. David Bronner all kinds of people that that the audience embraces is are basically saying the same thing which is the solution that we seek is underneath our feet and there is a process. There is a way to live in that solution. Lucia and these are people that are doing it. I wanted to understand that better and celebrate that aspect of what it is that they do. Yeah definitely and the other thing that isn't being and Really recognize the fact that the interaction is two way so you go into the farm and they interact with you and you interact with them. Who who knows maybe? In six months they make an adjustment that means that they harvest less animals and they were or maybe it affects affects them. Deeply just your presence simply the fact that you went there. Maybe there's another solution. I don't know well I think overall it's about broadening our aperture her and understanding that nothing is binary we have this tendency to believe. There's a right and there's wrong and there's a black and there's a white and you said it earlier like none of us us is immune from doing harm. We're all perpetrating harm. They're all negative consequences to the fact that we're living beings on planet earth and and there's a there's a tendency among certain people to develop an ego attachment to a particular type of lifestyle and without becomes a hardening at a judgment of other people And I think that is unhealthy and I think that the more that we can Understand Dan that we're all human beings having a spiritual experience and we're having our journeys and and and the more empathy for other people and the more humility that we can engender when we go into social interactions from a place of You know coming from the heart and openness like a a growth mindset to learn from another human being then I think that that is the solution to a lot of what ails us. What we see being played out in social media like we all know that our information diet is really important and it's going to dictate a lot of our opinions worldviews? So if you're politically medically right your twitter feed is going to look a certain way if you're a progressive liberal you're gonNa have a completely different news feed is that it's going to you know basically channel you everything that affirms your worldview. Well it's no different in health and nutrition. If you're Akito person or a low car person or a carnivore person your feed is going to basically be a constant stream of people that see the world the way that you do and practice what you practice. If you're Vegan F- feed is going to be very differently and these these camps are becoming further and further separated and entrenched in their views because there's no cross pollination and so I- i- effort in my interest in going to people like John Molly. Chester is to participate in that cross pollination to have the humility to understand like these people know Qalat about a certain thing that I talk about all the time on the podcast and I WANNA learn more about that. Not from the perspective of a doctor or a politician or an academic academic but for people who are actually practitioners. Who are doing this day in and day out? That was the spirit in which I I when into that experience and I'm glad that I did and I would do it again. And so it's heartening to be attacked for that and and I get it. The vegans are passionate community of people. Nobody wants to see animals harmed but to say that. I'm endorsing the slaughter of animals. Because I want it because I was curious and I followed that curiosity to learn something and then Sharat Sharratt is a disheartening perspective. Yeah definitely definitely so so. I don't want to end it here. Yeah let's let's let's take people out with. No I mean you and I from the very beginning when we entered into this experiment airman and this expression we've only shared are only our own experience. We're not here to tell anybody what how to live. Or we always say that and also this lifestyle is aspirational `rational and it's a moving changing evolving living for them. So we're going to learn new things find new ways It's not a stasis or a state eight of achievement that then you hold onto with a hardness and a close mindedness. It's it's an open moving breathing experience of life and we we all have things to learn from each other. Yes we all need to eat more plants yes. We need to stop this brutal suffering of animals and industrial agriculture. Alter you know yes we need to save our oceans and but we've always had an open door and so all of our cookbooks have been open to any kind of eater. It's never been an ism for you and for me and Sri Mu is what I call universal. It's Vegan Paleo Dairy Free Gluten Free Kosher Kosher for all purposes. I'm sure it's Kito too because there's no so it's kind of everything it's just for everyone. And if we can eat more plants and Paul Hawkins and said you know face plant rich lifestyle You know it's going to be doing good. And everybody has to account an answer to their own actions so so nobody gets out of anything it will all be accounted for so we can relax and do the best that we can do to serve our own individual awareness but again we need this interaction and this brotherhood and sisterhood. We need to not be separated. I was at an event yesterday. Okay and the girl next to be speaking has a bone broth company and I was sitting very close to her and all I was emanating for her was just love and listening to her and she has her own experience every woman is right from her own point of view. Man is right for his own point of view and Kim. Yeah so the thing is actually. It's funny because some of those people actually came on my feet trying to get me to have you answer this means rich endorses animal. Brutality Taliban like really is that what it means so now you're a proxy exactly even if it's for like I talked to a guy. Yesterday I talked to another guy who talked to another guy who knows a guy that works at a chicken factory. So I'm endorsing. It's like it's insane saying it's insane but the thing is this is that we have to remember this also as individual creators and those of us who came here to be the sacred makers and our our own fields and put things out in the world we need to not be Affected by that judgment and by those swords that are that are thrown. We really need to understand that. When you act in alignment so you just said a minute ago you said I would stand by what I do? I would make the same decision again. And that's your answer so you didn't do something. That was out of alignment with who you are and your intentions. Were in high alignment with your mission of creating a higher way of living planet. Or if there's no question about that you weren't a compromise you didn't receive money you didn't like there was no compromise. No no compromise and your integrity you did. What is in alignment with you and you would do it again? And that's the end of the conversation. I I did. I did what I've done from day. One which is follow my curiosity. That's it I'm not here to serve the best interests of Dogma. You know like I'm not I'll I'll get criticism saying I can't believe you have non vegans on your podcast. It's like I choose to eat plants. It's a lifestyle that I've adopted. That serves me well. I think there's tremendous benefits in this for personal health environmental health for for animal welfare in the like. And I'm happy to talk about it and I talk about it all the time time but I don't define myself by that alone. Aren't we all more expansive beings. I'm here to learn about all different kinds of things. I want to be exposed to new ideas across the board. I'm not here to just focus on this one issue. I'm not a single issue voter voter or a single issue focused individual and I think we all need to kind of understand that that it's important shorten to realize that we're bigger than these labels that we attach to ourselves that make us feel like we belong because there's an identification benefit there to a certain group that makes us feel like we're part of something and I understand that like I get all that but there's more going on but again if if we really care about the planet and we care about our life and we wanna lift this experience higher. It's about the interaction with many diverse. Lifeforms so I think in soil regeneration diversity is a key underlying foundational power which creates a healthy the environment we have to bring that awareness of diversity into our own life forms. Yeah that's a great point right. I mean it's all about diversity the the in the narrative of the movie v. It's like none of this works until you get to this tipping point in biodiversity and then it becomes like this thriving thing that becomes self perpetuating to get it to that. That point was very difficult but fundamentally that's what it's all about and I think there's a teacher in that and the teacher is that that diversity is necessary a to a holistic wellbeing of of the larger ecosystem right and the more that we could practice that and participate dissipation that emotionally That is also the path towards the greater well-being of the ecosystem of the population. Well what if we took the all that focus or that energy that is in fighting for this thing this flag that you're flying or this truth truth or this or this dogma. Or whatever you think this intellectual stasis point is what if we took that energy and instead you gave it to yourself and you went and loved yourself and you enquired within yourself and you found out what you love to do when you were a child and you made a commitment into yourself. I'm going to be here for you and I'm going to guide you and and help you and protect you to express everything that you want to and you you are loved your evaluate. What if we took that and brought it in instead of all that focus of protecting something? That's not even a thing. It's just an illusion luge. It's a made up. It's a made up construct and you know if you're fighting for peace you're still fighting to think. Gandhi said that. I'm thinking I'm not sure somebody nobody said it. But if you're fighting for anything you're still fighting. So what if we stop fighting in just realize there is no consensus there billions of life forms that are interacting here. And so how can we come to each other when we're not the same and instead of be in judgment and analysis and separation. What if we just said please show me more of who you are? Show me. I'm so interested. I'm so curious. Tell me who you are. Why is it that you you feel that way? How is it that you feel when you experience and express your own divinity or whatever your life mission is we need to soften these edges? There's an understand that we all share this planet. We're all writing on this planet together and the controller forces that want us to to you know fight and not rise up. They are putting these divers energies into the population. They want US fighting. They you want is focused on fighting. Did you ever remember. There was like a fairy tale book that I had and I think one was called the stubborn scillies or something and it was a man and a wife who got got in a fight and they were both had their arms crossed and they were not looking at each other and while they were doing that a thief came in and stole everything that they had and and so in a way. We're fighting and then these thieves are stealing our life from us. They're stealing our livelihood so it's really within within our power to imagine vision and then get into action creating the world that we want to experience here together. This is a magnificent ignificant planet and human beings are feeling creative connected. empathic loving amazing individuals and when we we have knowledge we have a power that can never be taken from us when we remember who we are that we are divine and when you enter into that awareness tennis You have so much power and so much creativity and so much energy with which to create and so this is really the time and we are the ones we've been waiting for. You are the one you've been waiting for it's not someone else coming Monte closing it down with the truth and the wisdom so I want everybody to remember that when you're sitting across your Thanksgiving is giving or holiday table from your version of Uncle Jerry. Route yourself in your experience. Have patients practice empathy the incompassion. And hopefully you can have a different and joyous experience. What do you think think I think so I can see it? I'm going to hold that visual toward that vision. Let's not let's hold that vision cool while always a pleasure. Thank thank you my dear Darling Charlie all right thank you my darling could talk. How do you feel I feel good? Good good If you WANNA learn more about Julie Pyatt a cash Ramadi. She is at Sri Mati on twitter. Her instagram if you want to learn more about the cheese SRI MU DOT COM is the place to go for that And that's it have a happy holiday. Everybody taking off. I'll catch you on the flip side shows. We'll go up as they always do on schedule. But I'm going to be taking care of myself and I'll see you in the secret place you will you will ship all my orders all right. PM plants. So there you go. That is something that we just did. How land for you? You're new to the show and dig. Julie She's been on the podcast zillion time so check the show notes for lengths to some of her previous appearances. You could visit Julie. HIATT DOT COM to learn more about her world. Subscribe to her for the life of me. 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Nourishing relationships is one of the best ways to de stress but ironically having too much stress in your life I think makes it very hard to have those close gnashing relationships but we are feeling isolated with feeling disconnected in this supposedly ultra connected worlds sure digitally. We've never been this connected. There are amazing mazing things about technology I would accept that but we'll deep meaningful human connection. I think there's a pretty strong case. They've never been this isolated is it. It's between seventy ninety percent of all conditions are prime rib had doctor sees in any given day is in some way related to stress. So so I want to be able to identify where distress live in my life. Janine awareness once you know where it lives you know what take one of the simple things try seven days a CPO different dot is all ask from someone yeah.

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And it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. All right. We got a lot to discuss today. Obviously, it's finale at the mess singer Billy's been camping out super excited. So also night fight night. Princeton Miami, the U donnas has documentary comes out today. What's the prince of Miami? I'm not I don't know much about it. I just know it comes out today. It's made by a fish. Allies. Okay. Where's that air? I just saw it on his Twitter feed. He like a minute preview. I'm not sure where it's airing. Well, let's start there. Let's start with you. Donnas has them. We we've covered nothing just setting up the show. Right. And that's a good transition because my takes on you donnas has been spreading have stirred some sort of local controversy, and here's what I'd like to say on the front end. Doubling down. I will I wear about. Down. But I will say this local controversies a bit strong. What has criticized? Okay. All right. So it's a seven ninety two ticket controversy. Dismissing zaza. Geez. He's got he's lost into just saying. It's not like I'm walking down ocean drive and people are going auditor. Taught us housing controversy. Mike Ryan started his not exactly going on. I walk down ocean drive. No one was talking anything at all. Really? I didn't hear anybody talking about the Coen testimony. So is weird. It's weird sample all I'm saying, perhaps if you walk down another road, they were all they were talking about was you Donna says them, so you can't just high slate until the ocean drive one not a big sports fan group down there. So you donnas has them take. It's he said he's alluded to playing another season. He's fifteenth guy on the roster. He's played he's appeared in four games this season. He is a heat legend. I believe franchise leader in rebounds. I do not like the position that a man heart and heart franchise leader in heart all those things three zero five got the state tattooed on its back reps a canes. Even though we went to Florida. I love you donnas has them. I have you done. This has jersey. He's one of my all time favorite heat players. All that being said, it's absurd. That that me saying he probably should retire this season and not come back for another season is a fiery take it is. I mean, first off we haven't seen him playing a couple of years to your point. So you don't know he could still out there. Fifteen minutes home. And here's what I got. All the qualifiers out. Okay. You done. This has them heat legend all that bub-bubba. He's been a bad basketball player longer than he was a good basketball player. Okay. It's been damn near a decade since he was an effective basketball player. He played sixteen games three years ago. You know, fourteen games to years ago. I it's not he's obviously on a downward trek. He's not appearing in games. I understand all the intensity and all the intangibles and all the leadership he provides in practice and Tasim should be able to say when he's ready to retire. That's not how it usually works. You Don Lama hasn't been. We've a lot of people pointed to Nick collison and said that's ridiculous that you're retiring his jersey. I mean was a better pro than Nicholson after looking at the numbers put the very comparable, they're very comparable. And especially lately, you don't have to have a total non factor. Did you just guarantee this person a roster spot it's not really based on current merit? It's based on leg. But we're talking about the fifteenth or officer matter who's if I say, he's the most valuable fifteenth man in the NBA you'd be lying. I'd put relying I'd rather let you go through the fifteen round every raw. I'd rather use a fifteenth spot on the roster as a development Charles cook. For Marcus Lee, the Andrea liggins. Yeah. The Andre liggins was a league. What are you rather have a guy with upside being the D league and actually play the fifteenth spot is made for this is the perfect fifth the Miami Heat or franchise it has cultivated talent that hasn't been drafted high than that make great use of their developmental system. I understand what you're saying. Wouldn't you rather them play in the in the D league? But there's obviously more upside than what you've done this has them. How is this a controversial take it's just because it's not necessary. If he was playing twenty minutes a game if he was like still a starter. Then I'd be like all right, Mike, Scott appoint this guy is not doing much, but he's just sitting on the bench. You hear that you read the board just been sitting on the bench for an Olympia. He's also helping at practice. He's also doing stuff that we have no idea, but everyone on the team thinks he's the most important. I heard bam on inside the heat thing interviewed he's like growing up, Kevin Garnett. And now you d is the guy the versus players I want to be there are certainly players that get to call their shot and get to say when they get to walk away from the game. I just don't know if you've done this has lem is in that is cut from that cloth. He hasn't been a good basketball player for several years now, but you're talking about like roles like oh my God. Like, Dwayne Wade can say what he wants to have totally different roles. Like legends would not be the fifteenth person on a team. He's the fifteenth person on the team he's finding the fifteenth person. And it doesn't matter who's there. They're not gonna play them. They're also paying them more than who's not your money with differences. Since money, but I as a fan of the team, there's a cap allotment. And I don't know there's million. I don't know what his salary is. But I know it's more than what a D league player would be making that the veteran these, and he's already alluded to the fact that the heat it depends on what the heat do for them. I mean, they effectively given Sistan coach uniform, right? Well, short of Juwan Howard was this just saying I think we're being a little hyperbolic here with this. Million. It matters. Like the emotional part matters. Like the way we care about the emotional part matters, Chris if you've actually plan, but he's not playing. So what do you get out of him sitting on the bench? What did you lose him sitting on? I'm joe. Oh, no place. What difference? Does it make? If it's someone you like or someone, you know, it's somebody that could play somebody that could play. I I'd love to see the fifteenth guy on just routine and be like and just hold up. Donald and be like, all right. He's probably doing more than that guys doing on his team. It's been five years now where it's been fairly obvious. You Don has nothing really to give on the court that a replacement level player. King give there might be. I'm sure they're far better players in the D league right now. Then you Don, this has them. So how many years are we going to do this thing where it's just like, okay? I mean. Ghana's nii. Who cares? So we're counting on next year's throwing your anyway, if it's twenty twenty then who cares about next year? I'm just it's five years where we're counting on you. Donna sort of see the writing on the wall, and he's not seeing the writing on the wall. So it's up to us as it's it's up to us a back them up. I don't have to back them on. But with all this heat culture stuff. The heat have proven that they will make their decisions. Even if your heat lifer. Like, they'll get rid of you. If it's the best for the team, they still want him around. Yeah. Well, it's easier to it's easier to go tell them. Yeah. Exactly. I'm already a little scared for for the the position that I'm in. But it's easier to make that decision and be all loyal one. You're only commanding what we think is what we assume is a veteran's minimum. Yeah. He's I mean, he can't be easier to be loyal like that. Then to be loyal to twain way to his asking, you know, for twenty five million, right? It's easy to be loyal them. So that's why I don't understand like, I get it. I mean, no one's arguing with you that he's like this big contributor like automotive. He doesn't do anything emotional like the heat fan is taken the emotional trek. If you look at the numbers, it's kind of like what what? Doing fifteen spy. It doesn't matter the teammate ever like any other guy would be so like angry that they don't ever play. Like, he's such a good team guys. Always like still involved in every game. Like you see him on the bench getting up like he's into it. I just I don't see the negative in it. Like, I get it that there's no, you know, real positive that. He's like other than like all the intangibles stuff. He's not really adding anything to team. But okay, fine. You know, what I've been swayed? Let him stay on the Rosser as long as you damn well likes. I don't like this position. All I'm saying is that he's been a bad basketball player. Just as long as he was a good basketball ridiculous thing to say is it look what you started basketball players much. He's an NBA. I know that I know that people will point to that Indiana Pacers game that he wanted for nine going eight for nine he wasn't a good basketball player. Then I remember that our feeling was like, oh my God. I can't believe you made eight for nine because we were terrified because a whole strategy was leave. You Donoso has open and it was last great. Moment. He's had for this franchise. And he absolutely helped with that push to the finals. It's and you know, I had that moment. I'm doing pound pounding chest heart, but what his role is. That'd be like an enforcer like how how is he being enforced? Not David west. He likes it up. And he's like, he's a bad. Bass is role is never the thirty points at game. That's not what he was there for. Okay. So, but we're just assuming what he's there for. We don't really know what he's there for we were there for intensity and practice trying to teach the young kids. I don't know be a disciple of culture to be an example of how to go about your work. But also he doesn't play and that's all icy. But if spo- and all the in all the players want him around still like, they're obviously seeing something that we don't see a guy that's been there forever. But you think that they're just like all this? This is comfortable. He's he's always here. That's why we're like they want him around because it adds value. It does add value to the franchise at preaches culture and first class. Even though there are several examples of them casting people aside, we sort of forgot that whole Dwayne Wade thing because Duan's back, but it is an awfully convenient thing. When it's like a veteran's minimum contract to hold them there. And there is there is some sort of value in that. I guess like I said you swayed me, okay? Swayed me, I'm done with a donnas has Hasim takes. I'm done taking these ELLs on UD Massingir tonight say that's the big thing. That's the night. That's where that will. Pit a muff sports. I already here the red type. And so go ahead break it down to our finale championship. That's going to be decided by the studio audience because this was all taped. Yes. Correct. Right. And yeah, I'm want Chris. I feel like Chris watches the show as much as I do. And I always kinda hog the messing or so I'm ready to let Chris like give his preview of the finale all I mean, there's nothing really to preview we know all the singers are it's just the ballots role. Let's get the ball out there. And let's hope let's play the game. There's nothing really to break down. We have t pain the monster. We have the be who everyone is pretty sure it's Gladys Knight. And then we have the peacock on the ause always. Everyone's like, so. After all this. It's all Chuck, it's all the professional singers. That are in the Joey Fatone, a professional singer sort of their limit says, what's the big hook till billionaire kind of assuming that it's going to open with maybe bringing everyone back. So they'll have like a group performance. Maybe it'll just be the three of them starting the show. There's going to be something at the beginning. That's going to be like a group thing. And then I'm I'm assuming that they're all gonna perform. I assume since the to our show, and there's only three people left. They'll cut it down like one person at a time. So we'll get down to two and then the second hour, maybe they'll perform again, and then we'll crown a champion. How great would it be? If Donnie Wahlberg is actually peacock after all this time all these Jenny McCarthy guesses that it is actually. Was a rapid. He thought it was the rabbit. Yeah. But that would be funny. If you funny producers, if the producers had any creativity they'd reveal somebody to beat Donnie Wahlberg and just say just kidding. I'm gonna look it up. But they're betting odds on this day come back for a little bit because it's taped. Yeah. Then who do you think would be the favourite if they were betting on concert? No Gladys Knight. Really? Yes. Based on it all depends on the audience and the judges select the judges seemed to really like Gladys Knight. Yeah. I like the monster. I think that's that's what it's between. I mean, I think if they're eliminating one person, I think the Peacock's don't forget the month. It was almost eliminated week one people forget that he was up for limitation week one. He was one of the bottom three and song choice week one. I'd have to go back, and look, but it was like a really bad job by the audience putting them in there because he was better than the person that he loves all right, but peacock also took some chances here recently the ducks been badly. Danica darted out came out of the box. Peacock was like the guy to be a and that thing today is gonna come down. Sorry to interrupt. I feel like today's going to come down to song choice. I feel like everybody should stay in their comfort zone. Everyone should do. What makes them their own special person? They should stick to that. Don't take chances. Don't try to show rain because that's what some of these competitors have been doing lately, and it's worked out for monster. Monster has ranged more ranged. I'd say than peacock has peacock has been trying. And a little too hard to show off. And it's backfired and speak on danger. And that's the peacock wouldn't he's peacocking. But he's peacocking with. He doesn't have the multi colored plumage peacocking with like once like a grey plumage. I'd say I have a Brown Laycock in my. Yeah. It's not like, you know, that I think I could be wrong on this. And I'll look it up. But I think that only one either male or female are the ones with the the colored plumage don't think the both genders have the colorful plaza, the female is one with the Brown through the mail has the fancy plumage because he's trying to impress the female. So I used to have two peacocks in my in my neighborhood, then you killed one. Then I saw one running away, and they didn't do anything about it. Okay. Now, all I have is this ugly Brown female peacock every time I pass by them. Like, what's the point of this? I wouldn't say that it's ugly. It's I've never seen it. But I wouldn't say it's ugly. Probably lonely now missing her mate. I mean, assuming they were made. So I don't know that that's being a bit present. Shoeless? But I would imagine that that peacock has a very sad life. Now, they're leaving cat food. All over the neighborhood for this peacock came walk my dog with my dog not trying to get into this food that they're leaving around for the peacock. I feel so bad from one neighbor on the corner of the neighbourhood who I know does not own this peacock, but has all the peacock poop in its balcony. And Hetty played by one of my neighbors because peacock likes hanging on the rails on these town homes in the front of the house on the balcony, spikes, one one one ever just said, no moss. Spike, that's ridiculous. By the way, the same thing odds, by the way, I don't know how like reliable, it's gold, derby dot com. They have the peacock as the favourite. Yeah. That's in the b is the second favorite. I mean, really this is troubling considering it's taped. Yeah. People has some inside information. It's all you forget about what happened the rest of the tournament. Right. This is all all about how. Championship who the hell knows what's going on? What if monster does bartender t pain does barten-? Wow. You imagine. It's the jam or ball. I'm trying to figure out if the people come back and sing if they're still performing with their masks on like, we're gonna see Terry Bradshaw as a deer again today because we know it's Terry Bradshaw. So why make them go out as a deer? Again. What do you think happens those costumes if I was if I was paying I would want to keep that cost to which cost him? Would you want? Like, we could get one sent here to keep monsters monsters the coolest causing that. It's the most. Yes, I think it's easiest cost at least elaborate. Something super lion was very prestigious the lion costume seemed cool. Yeah. But you don't have the lion buddy type. Yeah. He does not look like Rumer Willis, I'll give you that. I get rocked that monster costume now. Constant. Constant pain Senate. Yeah. Keeping so talented. It's a shame that he had to start out with the auto tune. What he did he invented that sound though? I mean, he's known because he invented that sound as good as monster. Sounds that voice doesn't seek out on the radio. It absolutely does. Have you watched? He paints sink, TV's, really talented pain is very talent. But there's nothing special about his voice compared tied disagrees nighttime. I think the t pain is talented, and he got boxed in by that stupid sound the auto tune and now really boxed in by his costume. Yeah. You think this will give him a resurgence in his career if he wins tonight? I I happen to know it already has happened to have inside information. I t paying all of a sudden is super hot act everyone's trying to book t pain. It's almost as if they know he's monster who's trying to Bookham everyone. Okay. Everyone all these birds chirping in the biz man my ear to these. These book and streets, and if you're booking t pain, you better make the demand that he wears I cost him at least for one song. Maybe during a Queen cover. Let's consider the secret life of the innermost nesting dole living most of her life in the duck inside the other nesting Dole's. He has plenty of time to think if we could sadly, she has no brain, however, when in a most nesting dole, his gyco not only saves people money, but also has been providing great service for over seventy five years. She thinks it's obvious. You should switch because. Yes. Switching to gyco is a no brainer pity, the INA most nesting Dollond a lot in life. Dr lebatardshow those wearing these pants. They're like, I don't know if they're navy or if they're gray. And we like me and my wife were debating about it. You can't tell whether they're grey or navy. So I decided to call them gravy. Wow. Good gravy. Stugatz. Also, did you guys see Austin bay? Also, really, so so there's also after that are you just tossing random thoughts? And that we can't do anything before he said to me life should have Disney buses, and then I quickly realized that life does have their just called city buses. Sees the show with the stugatz on the ticket or we're going to get a mansion for this Miami Florida game in Orlando. I mean, do you have rocks for brains? We literally were just talking about. I said there's no update on this. Let's not talk about this right now because we're going to talk about it after the show and figure things out. I'm sorry. I apologize. That was being dogs for brain about his cutting as you've ever been who seconds ago where like now we can't really talk about that right now. And then we start with it immediately. I didn't know I was starting to segment you guys are talking. We've definitely talked about a plan where you were going to start with eight six four five six four eight three seven guys. Listen, let me tell you something exciting. Alison, I discovered is secretly very funny, and she has jokes. And she was telling us before the show jokes so seven eight six four five six four eight three seven Allison's joke of the day. I want to become a thing she's really fighting it. But I don't know. I I really wanted to say joke of the day. But I don't think he's going to have a joke that you think it'd be funny of analysis. Joe seven eight six four five six four eight thousand seven sorry. We cannot go back to a program. Well, the the original start for the segment, and I apologize. I was really mean thing for me to say, I'm sorry. What do you mean? Well here come over some caffeine. This morning. Cups. A couple of cups of Joe, she's feeling it. Let's talk you've been gone for a while. Now, you don't say, what did you think of the Bradley Cooper lady Gaga? Born she's been all over this. She's been sending me now while she hasn't been in studio. She has been sending me stories nonstop about Bradley Cooper's. You sent me a story today. That is not about Selena Gomez. No longer being you always put it on me. And it's really you. That's been sending the story. What do you mean? You were asking Bradley Cooper win an Oscar that really sucks for him. Yeah. You know, he he doesn't want an Oscar for that. No songwriters. Yeah. He didn't. He doesn't win an Oscar for that. So he performs it he doesn't win an Oscar for it that that kind of thing. So you should get one too. I agree lady triggered the us that chemistry for her own personal gains win that Oscar because she knew people would feel connected, and like, you know, what this is too magical. And I bet you that half of those voters don't realize Bradley Cooper didn't get the Oscar voters care. So Bradley Cooper walked away. Gene walked away with zero wards. Yeah. He's over seven in Oscars. I can't believe you've been nominated for seven Oscars silver linings playbook. Yeah. Oh, because it's a Philly thing gallon for wedding crashers, look supporting actor or something was winning. What else did he get nominated for? I think American sniper. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right proceed. I don't think did he get nominated for silver linings. Are we share? It wasn't winning Crushers were sure it was Haase's rush. Maybe it was we agree that Bill is the worst season television. I know we're talking. No, no, no, no. I'm coming around on his tastes. I really am. We're gonna we're gonna watch night fight together. Where are you on amazing race even starting? Oh, wow. Thank you for asking just finished season nine. However, I skipped season eight because it was a family dish in and I was not about that. I was not going to watch. I just can't get invested in like whole families racing de there's too many people four people per team. I'd have to learn forty people instead of twenty while I'm watching these things because I'm streaming them. And I'm watching them back to back to back. I finished finales. And I still don't know the names of the contestants. I know if I like the team or not, but I don't know the names of the contestants. I had a dream that had the the the host of amazing race in. It watched so much mazing race. So right now, I was answering your question comeback joke of the day. Do you wanna go on amazing race? I feel like you'd be insanely neurotic about the travel part. Oh, yeah. Like, yeah. My fiancee's like we should do amazing race. And I'm like, it'd be good for a relationship. You know, what it's? Not like a lot of couples break up after amazing race. It's only like three weeks, but it brings out the worst in people and it breaks up a bunch of couples now. Wait, no comeback. You joke of the day is coming up. So yeah, I'd like to music, but it's on CBS. So I don't think I'd be allowed to do it. I'm not this is why I'm protesting is because he said him secretly funny. No. You are not seek really funny. But it also depends like when you've had coffee. You're funny. Yeah. I've had the same amount of coffee that I do every day run. Goodbye. You recharge? I guess I'm retired from the we gave out the number for people to give their jokes of the day. Now, I think you should get you gave us three really borderline hilarious jokes. And I feel like you should give one to kind of set up what we're going for are you sending in your application for amazing grace. I don't think I'm allowed to do it because I worked for Disney CVS show. You could get permission. All right. Well, listen, I'll sign up. I don't know how to do that. I don't know. I don't know that you would get medically cleared. What do you mean? I mean, I think you have to be cleared and not have. I think you'd feel by the time you'd have to take like the fitness test for it. Yeah. You'd psych yourself out. Oh, no. I every season. There's like a couple. That's like seventy years old. I watched an episode of the day. We're like a sixty five year old woman was bungee jumping and I felt bad because I'm like why didn't her husband do like, she was petrified. He's like now, it's fine. You can do it. And it's like she clearly doesn't want to do this. Why don't you do it for her? But I'd be bad of that stuff. Sorry joke of the day. I want to get back to you on the show. Why do you watch the show? Why won't you do it the travel? These I have music for the no I need to get selected. It's not just like show up and say, hey, Phil here in start the amazing race. I saw video of you yesterday. So good. I'm sorry. Video video viewing sports, man. I was. Penn. Like just what you're doing now or pencil seeing this. This. Share with me. Oh, good. It was like two thousand fifteen what sports thing so back. Then like if you think about how I was talking on the show, then it was like almost next to nothing. But listen, we were in dire straits that we can sports banks to God's miss Hayes probably eighth or ninth episode in a row at the time. Even Skolnik was goes guy. But he was also covering the heat. So I'm assuming the heat rod. It's out. If it got to me here, the people that said, no, I'll tell you straight up the if it got to me hosting which one time, which is like right at the end. I got to know from. Stugatz. A definitely gotta know from Ethan. I gotta know from Craig mich-, then probably got know from Brian McFadden pizza's probably out of town. This is just like the Rolodex of who. I would go to if I needed things. And if it got to me than everybody said, no that we that's how that happens. Do you? Remember doing that episode? I remember. Being I remember thinking that I wasn't going to do. Well, and I relied a lot on research that was given to me. Why was breaking down? Like, I don't remember exactly what I remember the notes. I haven't gone back to see it. 'cause I'm horrified. But I remember like at one point. I think we're talking about like the dos. Dolphins offensive line or something. I'm like jeeze. I was like studying going into remember tuning in for that episode. Yeah. I haven't seen that was weird setup for the joke of the day. Been following an deflecting, Bradley Cooper's nominations. They don't want that. I do. Also, tell me how you were going to start the segment originally don't it's baseball Kim. Just retired. We're gonna go Harper. That's why didn't know, but that was going to be the threat just funny observation, but any rally Cooper who's nominated for best actor with silver linings playbook. He was supporting actor for American hustle. Oh, I forgot share Americans Naipaul best actor American sniper. And then that he counts if you're nominated for best picture. Yeah. No. That's. No, that's. He was he a producer on American seeing. He has seven nominations for best picture that's kind of weird and then this year best picture best actor best adapted screenplay. It's a producer award. Create. I know I I know a star is born like he is the director. Yeah, he was probably executive producer that to. All right. Alison. We're ready can ask a question. What is because I see this as repurpose, Bradley Cooper. What was this open for because it was for something recently joke of the day? Oh, wow. We never did. That did we know? I don't I skip the Jason leisure bodies. For four years old, Bradley Cooper's forty four. Felix? All right. Okay. All right. Not bad ready. Alison. Okay. Who who should I go to on the on the call screen? No. You need to also needs to go. First to set this up. Alison, top your jokes. Stop pretending. Like, you're screening calls. You're not screening calls. All the calls are on hold already. We can see that. I would go to one or three. All right. Who's one Sean you're on seven ninety two ticket? Not not who's Dan, interrupting Inc. Interrupting sheep who. To be a little. I know that anything is on the phone when I did I made him do that joke with me. And he didn't Rummy there either. I'm like bring it for like put him up there. And he's going to do it. Right. You want to recreate the joke. Knock knock who's there, interrupting shoot? That's how it's supposed to go. Alison, good job. Come your joke. You want me to tell the joke. All right. There's a turtle and a snail. Wait disney'll says. Oh, I did it wrong. Okay. Come show me. How to do it? Then. Because I did it wrong. I didn't know how to tell the tell me how to tell it teach me how to tailor joke. I did it wrong. I did it all their kids jokes. They're not adult. Okay. I like snail say on the turtle's back. We he didn't get it. Billy goes. I don't get it. So. Faster than the snail. What did the string beans state of the string bean? I don't know how you mean. What did the sand dune say to the fan? Go back. What was the porcine? How you? String bean sand dunes state of sand. String beads state of the sand. Oh, wow. This is next. How you being? The Joe we're on a roll. Let's go to Sam Sam you're on seven ninety two ticket go on three three. Yeah. Sprinter's e before they raise. What are they eat? Nothing passed. As a half a beat. Dick is fast easy. Let's go to Marcus, you're on seven ninety take Marcus. What what what what kind of breakfast? Dinosaurs love actually, screwed it out what he says on their pancakes. What did I tear up crop? Syrup tops. Try sarah. Gold standard now, which we're judge winning right now henceforth, let's go one more onto dove you're on seven hundred classic dove. Yeah. This is not a joke. At a David certainly comedy related means more to the Miami Heat franchise for the tail end of their career was Tony tarintino. Are you down his house on? Yeah. So dome. Uh-huh. I have a hard time. Why I have a hard time watching he gamed on TV now without Tony periods. Stove. And I think you've got to go. Novi. Dobie? Dobie? But. Gobel doe? Don't gooby. Yeah. We were going with the theme dove though of oh the bedroom. Comedy related. Okay. No, it's not. It's not comedy related, but do you wanna policy? I do. Badly does go. Okay. So yeah, I'm sorry. Everyone. Until you Don them. I am most sorry. I just checked my mentions that was a huge mistake. I'm sorry for pointing out that you'd honest has them was probably a bad basketball player. Criticism. This doesn't seem sincere. I'm legitimately sorry. Bad take. I'm not getting the feeling that you feel like he's any better player. Yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Because clearly what he brings the team surpasses what he can do on the court, and I have no way of knowing what he does for this team. Right. You also have no way of knowing what he does for this team. Either though, not how Paul sincerity and that is not their donlevatar five six one. Stugatz. Hated five six. This is our show with stugatz on the ticket. Dan, you've been sitting silently in that studio for several days now even throughout the weekend just been sitting there, and I think it's high time we bring you in. Finally, I've found myself in quite the quandary because I have to be a responsible taste maker of the industry down here. Locally and merely that job, by the way. This seems self apply. I did not ask for this backpedal in it did not ask for this. I'm merely made the observation a rational observation that it's a little ridiculous that we're now four years into this whole is you Don is gonna retire. Probably should but we're gonna make him make the decision. And then he makes as we always got to try to give them a little sweetener. And then he just keeps hanging around. And it's probably not the coolest thing. I all thought we were all on the same page he jumped on top of a basketball hoop and media day. And he said that he's given everything that he needs to improve in everything he asks who in this game it sounded like a retirement announcement, but he had actually make it. And now he's talking about coming back next year. And we're going to do this thing again. And I just pointed out that why is it always his decision, and he's been a bad basketball player longer than he was ever a good one. Yeah. He went like he's in the middle of an identity crisis right now. Mike, I think as knows all in on heat. And now he's like going the complete and by the way, he was all in on here. Right. And then he'd get criticism for being heat Homer guy. But he had that crowd that those people that wanted heat Homer guy were in his corner. The Suns lost break him. He was I've been broken dog. You want you want to know something? I was the only one that watched that game. That tells you the state of the heat is it I was watching that game really rated them on for you to watch. It was a really really good end fan. Did you watch that game? Okay. So he had at least this core of heat fans. That were like, you know, what I like this Mike Ryan he's saying a lot of right things. Well, they weren't right? But they he had those people in his quarter. And then today he came in for some reason decided to pull complete one eighty and gold the complete opposite and burn those people to and has turned everybody gets his burning down the church like what you're doing with as long as you're just you're burning down the church next stop. I'm going to burn down the whole religion. It's so unnecessary. Like, I was going through the D league Rosser saying would you rather they sky fifteen? Guy said liggins, I said, I'd rather have gone. But it doesn't matter. The fifty percent doesn't matter. And then Chris pointed out, which is you know, a good point. Wouldn't it be better for the league players to be playing in developing in the D sitting on the bench, not playing at all or solid point? Yes, it's weird to do this with the fifteen. Well, how many of us wouldn't want that job though, that gig of we decide when we retire on our terms. He's the only one to get it has the only one to get it here. Dwayne Wade didn't get it. It's just a little weird great. It is unusual. I won't dispute that getting to do this. He's a player coach. If you've seen the reports he works these guys in practice. He's Juwan Howard. He's doing what you want Howard was doing as you transitioned to assist, but you want how did that for one year. I he was playing more. I know listen if twain was going to get paid two point three million dollars a year, and it was fine playing four minutes. I'm sure they'd be more than happy to them. You can be on the scene forever. But he's never going to do the reason my wrong is because when they make the inevitable run here to get to the Pacers in the first round of the playoffs. Mike Ryan will absolutely think that you Don is has lem jumpers will win that series. I will be calling practice start at one point because we do need the defensive intense. Ity? And remember the Seth Nikki pointing out Miami Heat undefeated when Donna's has makes it three. I still think that's the case. Anyway. So yeah, how desperate or you or both content and to get away from the losing that your last stop is side swiping. You his has them who you have only loved since you were a child. I got myself. I this myself Billy's right when he says, you're having an identity crisis for sure it's crazy like a couple of weeks ago. I said they should name the bench after you dawn is has them as an honor since he's always on the bench that didn't stick. No one even remembers that happening, but they're gonna murder Mike Ryan for this take because it's totally unnecessary. He started his career in two thousand three two thousand four he got the foot injury in two thousand and ten seven years of being good. They're gonna make them. Nice. That's been a bad basketball player longer than remember. And if you wanna point that Indiana series, the whole thing about the Indiana. Series. It was like oh my God. He made the shots because he's not that good anymore has lemming. It was called the verb. Verb has them was verb to play defense in a way that allowed you to leave has Lhamo p he's our Nick collison? He's our Nicholson Nicholson was probably more efficient of a basketball player. But he he's our Nicholson and didn't call us and get the same respect where you get to. You got to keep saying might get this respect where you get to keep coming back to work. He's Milton from office space. I'm just saying I'm just asking the question. Does it ever end is it respect? Or is it fear? Oh, I have a great amount of fear right now for what I'm doing. Yeah. I ain't awkward. You had like this really half ass apology last segment that then you came back and double down on which is like a really, I didn't know it was a genuine apology. I apologize. He should be on this roster. I have no idea what he does for this team. Also, neither do you guys. Neither does anybody except for coach Spoelstra, and I'm sure it's it's it's it's got a value. And it's the fifteenth guy he's not taking an important roster spot. And that's where all back down, do whatever you want with that spot. Obviously the Miami. He everything's going. Well with this team. They don't need any sort of change in direction. Whatever they're doing with that fifteenth Rosser spot is clearly working there behind the Orlando Magic who just lost in the next I'm done. Now. You've got me thinking that every NBA team should have like a celebrity as their fifteenth roster spot. There we go now, we're working with this more Cuban should be the fifteenth guide right house mave every game is the same celebrity or rotating. I'm just spitballing here. I could be swayed play just as much just to got you've missed out on a good segment that we could use last segment. Oh, yeah. I forgot your here. So it's a joke of the day thing. Yeah. So we have lines of joke of the j seventy six. I can't hear you. What's the best joke that I should go to right now? Chris Allison screen and just pick a random on. All right, but okay, when you need to give them a name when you hear the sound you're on the air. So you're on the air. Brian. You're in the. Hey, what do a cat on the beach and Christmas having gone? What? They both have sandy claws. Again. Sandy claws. Let's go to line five. Let's go to Lauren. Hey, guys, watched a great program about beavers. Is this one of the best damn program? I've ever seen. Get them out. And there's an echo. I mean, you work in the business. Yeah. And did you pay attention to what he said? It was terrible. What's what's the next one that I should go to here? You know? All right wish she didn't hear that. Last caller, go to line four steak sauce, you're on seven ninety two ticket a one. Hey, what's up guys, he steak sauce stake? Hey, so last night address next to you kick it on their frigerator but wife got mad at me. The fridge. Welcome anytime. So that the best job so far. Fast. Okay. No, what someone told me yesterday that tanenbaum in English means Christmas tree that is German for Christmas tree that's not related to anything. I just thought I'd share that with everybody. Thank you for sharing that. You're welcome. Chris what Brian Flora's say about Kyla Murray? What does it mean? All my God big quotes coming out of the combine starts today. Oh, wow. I'm Flora's talk this morning. Yeah. But but it's not a good combine day. Right. That's equivalent of peace and sees its kick running back through there. But it's offense a lime in. Yeah. Offensive linemen and kickers, really mainly. Right. But the big news is he there was some comments from Brian floors about calorie. Really? Wow. What did you say quote? He's a really good player. Oh boy. And quote, that's their guy. What does it mean? It means that they're guy you think it means. That's her guy. I think that means that's their guy. Yes. But Arizona could be their guy as well. In Arizona has first crack at them. Yeah. Tyler moore. He's not gonna go to the the dolphins need to move up. I saw the betting odds in the dolphins of the favorites to get him. Okay. But at their spot or just a move up together. I think in general like betting odds to get the player. Because I would probably do that in terms of getting up. They're going to have to get up higher than thirteen quarterbacks. They're just way to decide to the mid round like that especially when you're perceived as a best quarterback in a bad quarterback year. How high do you think they have to get? I have no known maybe number one. Maybe maybe number one. What do you give up for number one? Well, obviously, thank obviously, your first this year, probably a first next year and some something in addition to that Arizona's sort of in the catbird seat right now because they have a supposed quarterback of the future already even though he's coming off of of what most would call a bad year. They still have the young quarterback that a lot of teams would would cut it in Josh Rosen. So it's not that's not normally the position of a number one overall draft pick. Usually, you know, they have to address the quarterback position. And that's not the case this year. Is there another joke that we should go to you know, the name of the floor executive vice president of football operations for the dolphins. Yeah. Mike Christmas tree. Mike. Kristen shrimp. So there was another joke that we could go to the line. That would align one Brian you're on seven ninety ticket. You guys see on the news last night. There's this guy that lost all the feeling on the left side of his body. Do you know what they call them? Now. What's that? All right. Pecent? He warriors tonight. I hope that's not true. I'm praying for the guy. But I think he's all right. It was a joke. Oh, he's all right. Hey, good one. I get it. All right. Yeah. All right. Got it. Did you watch true detective season three the whole season? Actually, not watched the entire season. I have the entire season done. I have to episodes of finale was just on Sunday. I just saw the entire season. I have the final two episodes. Okay. But you you've liked it. So I've loved it. Yeah. Okay. It's I think episode seven is where things get a little crazy in that. They actually show. Spoiler alert. If you want to be surprised, this might be incentive for most watch. Mardian Russ make an appearance. Thanks, Mike Mardian Russ from season one both of them and make an appearance not in the flesh. It's a photo of that. Oh, wow, wasn't count but season one and season three are tied together but very loosely, but it's a fair question. Very loosely photo by photo the fair question, though, if they're in a photo have they actually been in episode. It's not it is.

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Middleboxes may be meddling with TLS connections  Research Saturday

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Middleboxes may be meddling with TLS connections Research Saturday

"Uh-huh. Hello, everyone and welcome to the cyber wires research Saturday, presented by Juniper Networks. I'm Dave bittner? And this is our weekly conversation with researchers and analysts cracking down threats vulnerabilities and solving some of the hard problems of protecting ourselves in a rapidly evolving cyberspace. Thanks for joining us. And now a word about our sponsor Juniper Networks organizations are constantly evolving, and increasingly turning to multi cloud to transform. I t Juniper's connected security gives organizations the ability to safeguard users applications and infrastructure by extending security to all points of connection across the network. Helping defend you against advanced threats. Juniper's connected security is also open, so you can build on the security solutions, and infrastructure, you already have secure your entire business from your end points to your edge, and every cloud inbetween with junipers connected security. Connect with juniper on Twitter or Facebook, and we thank juniper for making it possible to bring you research Saturday. And thanks also to our sponsor and Vale whose revolutionaries zero reveal solution closes the last gap in data security protecting data in use. It's the industry's first and only scalable commercial solution, enabling data to remain encrypted throughout the entire processing life cycle. Imagine being able to analyze search and perform calculations on sensitive data fall without ever decrypted anything all without the risks of theft or inadvertent exposure, what was once only theoretical is now possible within bail. Learn more at N Vail dot com. Years ago. Researchers from university of Michigan and other institutions to help studying what's going on? That's Nick Sullivan, he's the head of cryptography at cloudflare the research were discussing today is titled monsters in the middle boxes. Introducing two new tools for detecting. HTTPS interception. Is in a great position to be able to see large percentage over the internet and study, what clients are actually making these requests in traffic on the internet actually looks like and juryman periods. We were developing a new technologies or encrypting the internet. So south flare was one of the first proponents of protocol, call t o one point three, which is the latest wedding standard or the time you see that nice little lock icon in your browser. H E, Bs Teela's the protocol groups. And so, when we were developing t awesome point three were really changing, what the protocol looks like on the wire. So bumping version number changing couple feels around in there and win actually employing this protocol. There were some unexpected failures unexpected issues. And it turned out that these were caused by the way that the archetype. Sure internet is built for some users. So it turned out that some users in orbit environments, or in managed infrastructures Christian between the browser website was not actually fully end to end. Is that this is something that we knew, but how whites was wasn't really well known to us. So it turns out that there's several companies musicians, who provide services to allow or regime, or whatever the managed service, it is, that's providing internet, or for people or environment, where high school university, or things like this to be able to inspecting to try and make decisions or walk now aware, there's, there's many reasons that you wanna look inside of connections. And so it turned out that middle losses. These are often actually, he's RV'er shipped to or rations to this traffic causing some issues with deal or not necessarily. Palace. Some of the new changes that were happening. In the Stein, we tried to figure out what it was that was going on. And in what way is traffic between user sees? The nice law on said the actual Bs your site, and how that traffic transmits from the browser to server bat whether or not this is intending. Is not what is actual? This is the kernel of the research project that did this was published in India switches, a computer security journal, and this kind of less down the trail seeing how can actually take this one time study. That was done with these researchers turn into a continuous dash will that people could see what's happening on the internet is evolving. Let's walk through together, some of the basics here for folks who may not be up on it. Can you walk us through how tale as works if I'm not in a corporate environment? It's just me and my computer and I'm trying to connect to someone else and we have that secure connection. What's going on there? If you're typing in say. Into your browser. There's several steps of I is the ass, which is the domain name system. Look up. This is what uses to translate a name to an IP address. So on your computer, does the robusta DNS servers than Tilson? IPM whether PD four or six and then were sheen has the Anderson servants connecting to and then it begins was called videos can't shake, and the handshake is a back and forth, that the browser end the web server do nor to stab wish shared derived keys, that can use to in crimson often account any subsequent request. Moore's law succumbs between your rouser and, and part of this handshake is used for the server to prove ownership over that name. So sir provides certificate and certificate was issued by trusted certificate. Authority and says, you know, my secure competence and certificate is associated with the key that is used to, to sign a hatchet. So when hatchet goes plant us ins, I message, call the client low, which indicates winch cryptographic algorithms, and supports and the server fought with. Sir. Hello says green of the algorithms, that you've advertised sport where here's the ones that I choose. And also, here's my certificate and years, the proof that I actually control he decisions. And then from that point onwards, the communication between the client server is encrypted in office kids, so anybody seeing this traffic while the internet's really only sees in krypton packets. So they can't tell what you're requesting onto the website is anything you're sending from that point on, I say, and then, so in these corporate environments that you describe where someone has the opportunity to inject themselves into this stream, what's happening there in environments in which you have your machine is match as user, you may have as phone has a mobile device management profiles, a system in which the ration- installs some additional software, tips it on more onto the system. What happens is. Brother than server using it certificates to complete the smash when the clients connects outward from the net Ashley goes to this piece harbor all day t- unless intercepting middle box, and this Yaas intercepting middle box has the ability to as print out any certificate likes for website at all. So the certificate itself, it's not by publicly trusted to the already. But with spy a specific certificate authority this specific to that original. So you're device, you get enrolled into the system and typically there's a set of trusted level certificate authority is that your rouser trust than you won't trust websites that have certificates from those items when you're enrolled into one of these systems. They install a Hobart certificate, and this certificate authority is something that the middle locks is able to issue certificates FRANZ. And so when you think that your. Connecting to the website, soften fast. You're getting a certificate that's created by is minimal so your action is intended in between your Rosser and this little malls. And then the middle box decrease the traffic and increase its own -til from the middle box out to the website so effectively were getting it incurred connection to the middle box in the middle of accessing connection to upsets off and the main reasons that this goes on the things that folks wanna look at our what well oftentimes here are restrictions with regard to what content that people want to allow people to view at work. There's also restrictions with respect to what type of data can be transmitted outside of the GOP or data loss. Protection is Weyermann in several compliance regimes to make sure the folks that are inside the company ours sharing information outside of their. Rebounds. And so these middle boxes sometimes detect this records in cash people leaking private information. Oftentimes also used to see a Hugh have, if there's, there's some sort of IRAs or something on the user's, computer that attempting to reach out to some have managed control server, some orchestrator about that, that leaves out bats, so you're looking for people making data to restrict the types of websites in continental view at work, and you're working to try to prevent now wear detect Mauer inside a room. And so your research was looking at different types of interception of HTTPS traffic. What were you looking at here? We knew that these connections or a large percentage of the internet. We're not into hands. And so we there were. Middle bosses. We knew that there are services like anti-viruses, that effectively do the same thing where the antivirus software is installed on machine and accents, a software middle loss on your machine to, to look for to promote wear signatures, and we didn't know exactly how widespread these were or which technologies reuse, which technologies were used to what extent. And so this is really what we're looking is what is going off for the for the percentage of the internet? That is not actually the bras. Connecting to server directly deserves perspective. We can tell that it's not actually the Rosser and MTO less. There's certain thing your principal characteristics that are in Nate to of type of team us clients reaching. So I mentioned in the client. Hello, you missed the cryptography parameters that you support. Well, some of these middle losses, don't necessarily support, same ciphers as browsers. So you can tell whether or not the requested servers actually being set from the middle blocks from the virus provider or directly from browser because it's unique fingerprint bridge these these software and so we were trying to figure out what these are, and from this Wimmer, not these connections are secured browsers. Invest locked trying to use the best possible from Chanel rhythm. Send us different techniques like certificate transparency in various ways to make sure that these actions are actually safe and secure browsers, invest a lot of time in basically teams to do so. And we tried to see these minimum losses or these antivirus services, whatever these men in the middle, as hell these middleware software, whether or not they were secure essentially gave a letter to whether or not they're following the best practices with respect to what you expect to browsers due to have. The security Las kitchen. And what did you discover? How did they rate? Well, some of them were quite good. But some of them sales, white miserably insects, some antivirus services that, that we discovered did things like not even validating certificate at all. So It's Hugh magin. You're going to websites and your rouser connects to local antivirus middle box. And then that antibodies middle wants to necked up to the website, some attacker, between could potentially hijack the edge of Arsenal's notch certificate of things. We found were using week outdated ciphers, some of them were using ciphers like our see four, which have had known vulnerabilities of last five years or so. But they're still using technology. So the liberates rated from some of the really good ratings aid Marcus as Queant to hell browsing. Do their -til us. Encryption to some that were a straight path, which actually destroyed all symbols of security that you you'd wanna have from religion action. So the itself is supposed to indicate trusted and in some cases, these little boxes, they had bugs in the violating stress would there be in any way that the user would know that they had a problem, in fact, not really, she's one of the disturbing these in corporate moans, if you will wear your browser is connecting to a site in its trusting a non trusted CA some orchid CA or some CA. There's no real indication to the client. That's you're using what these other scenes or certificate provide on website. Not a real will probably trusted certificate. And Furthermore, there's no indication to the user type of L less. Second off the connection is, is using so uses really had no way to know. And so, what are the ramifications? Of that. There are several ramifications I which is user security for a lot of these situations is decreased, and MRs actually a surprising situation, because oftentimes, these middle losses, antivirus programs are implemented in order to increase user security in protect them from from other things that are malicious on the network. But in the end turns out to be getting their rupture. So this is something not did reverse any original acre to along these viruses, good identify, and they managed to in many cases, update your software do things more safely at the very least it exposed this as a problem, end, it exposed the fact that you aren't going to be doing this time inspection for compliance reasons or or run of reason that you'd want to be doing it that you really shouldn't take very good care of time. Do. Building a security, lessens wounded is challenging to do rouser companies invest money in times expertise in this, and sometimes these middle bender the centers don't necessarily have resources to do so. So it became something that was kinda called ashes to the industry to, to improve their restaurants, and were you able to observe any instances where these were actually being exploited out in the wild? It's not something that we particularly vote for in this study. We were more looking for V signatures connections and trying to figure out, you know what actually was happening. This is more of a measurement exploration studying soft and we didn't necessarily look force. It's explication but you can't necessarily so based on what you've learned here. What are your recommendations, how people best protect themselves? Well, if you're a corporation, ask your vendor house wrong. Connection with respect to connecting from the middle box up to the server. So we created as Ursus holds MIT m engine, which is something that can on this service, I can detect which of your clients are actually using one of these inspection services and you can kinda provide recommendations. So as somebody who's operating server, you can inform users that essentially, whatever corporations using or middle losses is not doing the right thing. Something are open source library is in produced Brian people and overall. It's also indicating that there was room for a lawsuit change with respect to help Parisian's deal with internal security, so the numbers that we that we see we have this dashboard. It's helped Malcolm dot com where we take the daily statistics and aggregate, and look at the fingerprints, and say is this really coming from bras. We. Really think that this is coming from the browser that is sending requests end our rates of interception that we're seeing are around thirty thirty TriNet, uses are tension vulnerable to someone doing that job. One of these middles and so it becomes very Morton for these fires to do a really good job in through the rope testing when mentioning terms of, of philosophy. It doesn't bring you to this opinion that or this possibility that doing something that is from security, in this case, having an inspection looking for malware, trying to check us is actually putting them at risk. And it might be doing less of a service than in really think it is. Is there any sense, set this is kind of a Senate in forget, it kinda thing where people shut up these systems in there in the organizations as long as it keeps running in? It's working, it's not something that they go back and check in on to make sure that it's doing what it should be doing. Yeah. Exactly. Browsers have been. The forefront of computer security. Respecting auto updates and so- route ability through on crease frequent schedule of dating there's some of the six-week canes for something like chrome, so they're constantly scouting, the world's looking for vulnerabilities signed change, which ciphers they're using implementing, new Culas went three which is a much more secure protocol. And this is not a norm for all security products. I would wish it would be I think most of us insecurity community thing, off date is great idea, but Brussels, really forefronts at some of these other technologies are, as he said, kind of Senate, and forget and often they don't get patched on lean or they do patched, it's something that's manual and stone time. And so having your -til us in points, be something that's more. Frequently updated is is likely result in Ben. Better security than than having it be something. That's some clients in the bathroom data center. You don't survey opting, some of these middle boxes, they do attempt to replicate the signature of the of the browser underneath it, and those can be detected as well. So we, we built several different techniques here to detect this. It's based on just the variety of things you can do tell us, there's different extensions. You can support is different ciphers, you can support, and then there's different curse that involve, which order, different extensions are or which four insiders. And so if you have the time to dig into the Malcolm Nash or you, can, you can take a look at what these different appliances, and pieces of software doing, it's interesting to explore which types of devices, the more likely middle, the notice is can give anybody who's generally interested. Some consume of what types of corporate environments are more. To section. Our thanks to Nick Sullivan from cloudflare for joining us. The research is titled monsters in the middle boxes. Introducing two new tools for detecting. HTTPS interception. We'll have a link in the show notes, thanks to Juniper Networks for sponsoring our show. You can learn more at juniper dot net slash security, or connect with them on Twitter or Facebook, and thanks to unveil for their sponsorship. You can find out how they're closing the last gap in data security at en Val dot com. The cyber wire research, Saturday is proudly produced in Maryland out of the startup studios of data tribe, where they're co- building. The next generation of cybersecurity teams and technology. The coordinating producer is Jennifer, Ivan are cyber wire editor is John Patrick technical editor Chris Russell, our staff writer is Tim. No, Dr executive editor, Peter Kilby. And I'm Dave bittner? Thanks for listening.

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Chuck Todd from Meet the Press on the digital expansion

Talking Tech

10:07 min | 4 months ago

Chuck Todd from Meet the Press on the digital expansion

"Talking Tech is brought to you by nerdwallet. We all love nursing out on stuff. We love right and as a listener of this show, you probably know a thing or two about tech, but when it comes to finances, no-one nerds out like nerdwallet for all your money. Questions turned to the NERDS AT NERDWALLET DOT com. Meet the press TV's longest running show Sunday mornings has more into all digital with tweets and newsletters and everything under the Sun Chuck. Todd is the moderator of the show and Chuck is with us from Washington DC through the magic of Zoom Chuck, tell us about this shift of meet. The press is I mean it's pretty radical considering where it started well, it's kind of you to to sort of say that it's radical in looking backwards because you know when I when I got the Gig in two thousand fourteen. And my EP loves to remind remind many Meteo reporters this. There are a lot of people. When they wrote about the transition, they would say yeah. You know the whole genres dying or you know boy cable is just zoomed. Pass it and all this stuff. Sunday shows or somehow twentieth century artifact. look that was something I knew coming in and I thought you know in my analysis of the situation. when I came in was I cannot allow me to press to be considered a Sunday brand, only a Sunday show only like if it's going to be relevant in the twenty first century in this environment. meet. The press has to be an identity. Meet the press to stand for something but it has to be platform-neutral. And, so you know initially, what does that mean? It means and figuring out a way to get back on. You know. Have this daily show on cable. You know there's sort of to me. There's there's sort of things you have to do now. As a TV show you have to have. You have to have a digital presence. You have to have a probably some sort of email newsletter. You have to have multiple ways. People can get all of your content pieces of your content You have to be where they are. You can't expect them to come. Find you so in that sense. This expansion has been necessity. If you're have memories of the old, meet the press. Back when Lawrence feedback and then basically meet the press before Tim Rosser. It was a host and invited journalists plus newsmaker, and the entire sort of had was just a half hour program, and you'd have two or three newsmakers. It should be one newsmaker, two or three clusters well. That's what we're doing here with college roundtable. We have three questions every week from different college. Newspapers or media organizations not everything is a newspaper in the traditional sense these days. We get one newsmaker We did too once. I think we've decided to go with one, and they do the questioning I'm the host. I'm literally guiding the steering the wheel here a little bit, but I'm not guiding yet. A to`Real on-camera. We're helping behind the scenes with the with the questioners. But IT IS A. It's in this sense. This is about allowing younger journalists asking questions that are relevant to that. Rather than questions relevant to you and I. Okay. So where do we see the roundtable? So you see it on Youtube you? See it. You'll see you see it on peacock right now. Peacock is something that's more of an. It's in Beta right now. This is the new. Comcast streaming service NBC streaming service, and this is something I'm really excited about I. Think Peacock. Ultimately Jefferson IB. Meet the press as a channel. Someday in fact, I view it that way now. I know we're not there and I think that every smart news program. That has a legacy will view itself more as a channel than as a as a show. You, know I you know I. I can't wait to have a series of documentaries I can't wait for people to go on. Meet the press channel on Peacock, and you know in five years you'll have you know. Maybe an hourly update from what's the latest political news? You know a Sunday Archive. Longer podcast interviews documentaries that are as long as two hours a shortest ten minutes I you know that sort of the vision I have in sort of the next iteration of this as we go into the next decade speaking of documentaries. You've got film festival. Tell Ya that's another. That's another franchise and this also to me is part of this idea that meet? The press is larger than Sunday show. part of it has to do with millennials right ends lentils and sort of the changing nature of the documentary. You know documentaries when you and I were growing up. All were formulaic. a little stayed. Sometimes you know. Didn't have that. Didn't have a lot of creativity behind it. This generation of documentary filmmaker is so much more creative. They're tackling A M- a more interesting variety of subjects and to me. It's the new book you know in many ways, younger folks I think. Learn about history as much visually via video. Or audio content as they do with with. On taxed, and so I think meet, the press needs to be there. I saw the film festival was a way of celebrating our seventieth anniversary. It was so successful because it featured we. We stuck to shorts, forty minutes or less. that now we, we basically were the leading space. If you've got a digital short that you, you gotta documentary short of forty minutes or less than and you're hoping to get some attention nationally for good places to go now, that's all thanks to our partnership with af I I mean they news related news new documents. Yes, it's issue in news related I'd like you to run me through a day in your life I. Know You have a daily show? Meet the press daily, but there's also the tweet cast in the newsletter and everything. Give me what time the day starts in all the different things that you're doing I, I. I go to bed early. Which means I wake up very early. In so I'm basically downloading than everything. I can get a news consumption wise for the first two or three hours of the day. Time is that what time is five in probably five am? We put out I read? Which is our daily newsletter? At eight thirty. So the early morning died you a lot of times. We have an idea of generally you know what we might want to lead with the night before, but in the morning we're doing that. And then I have a a series of calls in the morning. As we prepare for show right now, I'm actually doing an extra two hours every day for MSNBC from from one to three eastern, in addition to the meet the press daily this started during the coronavirus broadcasting from home I probably do about three hours of show prep on conference calls with producers now every day. Three hours on air. Then there's Sunday. A The Sunday show preparation which we have at least a one call a day on that we take a podcast a podcast on Wednesdays I taped meet the Press College Roundtable on Thursdays. And Mondays my we get. The tweeting the tweet the tweet, the press I mean I'll be honest. I've cut back on twitter and I'M NOT GONNA I'm not gonNA. Pretend I haven't. I certainly used them meet the pro. Account To set to direct people to meet the press content and what we have. We have other members of we. We sort of hosts tweet the press and we have. We do that with other MVP to showcase other embassy journalism now. But I'm not as active on twitter for a few reasons. I just think it's. I, think that the role. Perhaps that I'm expected to play the role that meet the press plays. I think there's. Sometimes less to be gain in interacting too much on twitter, particularly media twitter political twitter. and. I will say that I've. I'm a little less stressed when I don't look when I don't worry about. Engaging in twitter. Every couple hours meet the press. Every Sunday meet the press daily every Monday through Friday. tweet cast not so much I read newsletter every morning. In the documentary film festival is when. that will be in October this year. It's always in the fall So that'll be that. Be Looking for that I got my meet the press for my college roundtable edition. The only that out. Okay I got that too so Yeah, we're staying busy. and. Like I said I hope. To be even busier and even have more franchises as we as we launch streaming. Already Chuck Todd Meet the press. Thank you so much for talking with us. At Jefferson Graham on twitter. Chuck is not checking his twitter as often, but you could always try tweety. You never knows that Chuck Todd. Todd I still the M with a lot of people, still a communication tool for me. When I. Say I don't. Know I still read it. I still lurk. I think what? What I've decided is that there's. Somebody joked one time. I don't think anybody's ever one argument on twitter. I think you're right, chuck. Todd thanks so much talking with us. This episode is brought to you by nerdwallet. nerdwallet has helpful tools and tips for all things personal finance, because when it comes to finances, no-one nerds out like nerdwallet. Are you wondering if now's a good time to start investing, or if you should refinance your house when you have those kinds of questions, trust the experts at nerdwallet. They're real nerds who make even the most complicated money questions simple to understand plus their calculators and side by side comparisons will help you make sense of your options for all your money. Questions turned to the nerds at nerdwallet. Dot Com.

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Big Blue Big Board: 2019 Positional Draft

Big Blue View

47:11 min | 1 year ago

Big Blue Big Board: 2019 Positional Draft

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS forte JR. Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights. News and analysis CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. Hello, welcome to be being bored podcast. I am Dan position to join team. Chris flung, Chris. How're you doing today? Not bad. Nice day out talking some draft. We don't have any guess though. We don't been awhile. Just the two of us talking were we're going to try to do something a little different here is we've just been talking a lot of straight up draft prospects for for a very long time. If you guys have been listening since we started talking about draft prospects back in November this this is been quite a long time. So we're we're getting closer to the draft here, but just trying to figure out different ways to rule as some of this information and kind of wondering what the giants are going to do. So we today are going to do a positional draft. So how that's going to work is we're going to take turns drafting positions we think the giants are going to select in the upcoming draft. We're going to record the results. A we're going to get points for our picks. So if the position we pick gets picked in the first round, we'll get seven points. If it's picked in the second round, we've got six points. And then go. Going down to the seventh round one point. So this is kind of kind of try to be a different way to try to figure out what the giants are going to do in this upcoming draft. So you ready to do this Chris? Yeah. All right. So I got the first pick before we recorded. So I am going to take the first position to basically what I feel like the giants are going to draft probably often and early and I'm going to take edge with the first pick. I'm not sure if they go there at six it sounds like that's probably where they're going to go unless someone like Quinton Williams or maybe even like, Ed Oliver falls there. But it seems likely one of the giants first round picks is going to be edged. So I feel pretty good in getting some points there. Yeah. That's that was pretty much. Exactly what I thought you were going to do because it just makes too much sense. They don't have a proven edge rusher on the roster. And this is a fantastic edge rushing class. Dave Gettleman loves to draft by value. And according. His board, and it is incredibly likely that at multiple picks. They will have an edge rusher at the top of their board. So that makes absolute sense. Yeah. To me, it seems like an e if it doesn't end up happening in the first round, then they probably pick multiples later in the draft, and that's probably going to help with some points there. I think at least one edge and possibly to at least are going to come out of this draft. Especially when the giants have twelve picks with the us all twelve or not it seems edge when we look at at this depth chart right now that giants half there's a lot of needs. But that outside linebacker edge definitely continues to be the biggest one. Absolutely. In fact, I am pretty much counting on them. Doubling down in drafting to address yours one early. Maybe at six overall, Montas, sweat or Brian burns. And then maybe circling back again at either with their third round pick or with one of their fourth-round picking mitigating guy like the Nobu or Chris Williams out of Alabama. I fear one of those guys probably going to be a giant as well. As one of the top guys. Yeah. It does seem that way. So Chris when we to your first round pick. I am going to go with the interior defensive line. Okay. I had them second on my board as well. Yeah. Just. Number one. The giants really only have BJ hill and Davin Tomlinson as their proven defensive tackles interior defensive linemen. However, you wanna have how everyone describe physician they do have RJ McIntosh. And he I think he showed enough to be interesting last year. But he's still definitely a question. Mark other than that. They've got a lot of guys and also appeared did have a good season with James Becher. But again that I'm not sure how much you can how strongly you can count on that. Also, Dave Gettleman loves drafting defensive tackles, he drafts a Gannon again. And again, you know, he drafted BJ hill last year. He drafted three in two years with the Carolina Panthers. He loves Rafic defense attackers. And there are a lot of really. Good ones in this draft. So that seems like both a high priority the high probability that they're going to be be PA and made even high incidence of the picks are going to be DT's. So this feels like a really fit for me. Yeah. I think so I had the second on my board as well. And like you said, it's it's a position where Gettleman has not been afraid to draft often. Just last year. I took to interior defensive linemen with BJ HALE and RJ MacIntosh. I so he's already doubled up there. It is a position he hit heavy when he was in Carolina. And you could also be looking at the high upside of the potentially someone being six overall it say someone like win Williams does somehow drop maybe there is a craze going up quarterbacks to jump. The giants there. I and someone like winded Williams does fall if Quinta Williams at six I don't think there's any way Dave Gettleman allows him to be available at seven and key. He runs that pickup might be arguable that the same can be said for all of her there just might be that at lettuce that production there at that position. I think that continues to be a position that Gettleman loves so I think it's another one where there's the potential to be highly drafted and the potential to be a high volume of players selected at that position. Also, I think we we've seen they've talked about how much they want a steady rotation of players along the defensive line. So I could see that hit early and often also definitely and also with the seventeenth pick could see one of the Clemson defensive tackles taken a Christian Wilkins or Dextra law. Prince, although. For those of us who are podcasts with canal. We we have our thoughts on Dexter Lawrence. Being drafted by the giants in the first round. But just given Gilman's history with the position, and the fact that the giants absolutely definitely have a type when it comes to defensive tackles, which they love athletic nose tackles, and that is Dexter Lawrence. Could also see somebody like Jerry Tillery or. I don't. Would we consider Zack Allan? Defensive tackle. Because I do have him listed or I do have him as an interior defensive lineman. But he plays defensive end for Boston College. Yes. So I just I do consider him a interior. Also. I don't think he could stay as an edge for the giants. Yeah. Probably not. I mean, he is a player. I like a lot and could be a giants target. If he is the pick. We will will will try to figure out recounts for it. Yeah. And again, maybe down in the draft happens player like John Kaminsky out of Charleston. He's another guy had a ridiculously good. Combine. And he could be a guy who really fit well in that five technique three technique role. So that could also play into the volume of picks their. Yeah. Absolutely. And they he's a he's a very interesting prospect to go back in the archives of this podcast. If you haven't listened to ED's interview with him. I think it was a little after the senior bowl, really interesting. Listen in interesting player in could be know day to day three type of pick. So I think we salvage that it's probably going to go heavy on defensive line in this draft. If not early quite often, so we'll go to the second round. Now, I will take my first pick in the second round. And I'm going to go with ofensive tackle right now. The giants still have Chad Wheeler as the starting right? Tackle there's been some rumored interest in Mike remers he came for a visit. But seems like there's nothing really happening there. The giants might just be waiting to see what's in the draft. I would not be surprised if the seventeenth overall pick was a tackle wouldn't be surprised if the thirty seventh overall pick was a tackle the giants, bro. We do need some help at right tackle at least someone to compete with Chad Wheeler during training camp and preseason to be the starter there. I don't think you want. Chad Wheeler given the chance to be right. Tackle did struggle quite a bit. So I think it tackle is probably early option. Also. Yeah. And it really should be like you said you you deaf. Do not wanna hand chant Wheeler at the starting right? Tackle job. He honestly was a liability for them. He struggles to deal with power. And with speed. There's. That's not a really great combination. So. Yeah. Oh now for my pick in the second round. Oh. See I'm torn here. I am going to go with cornerback. Okay. Okay. Even if the fact that they haven't already or the fact that they've already silicon Sam build doesn't give me points going in. Although maybe I could argue that that that was a draft pick spent on a cornerback. So that we're going to be selected during the draft brat. But still. Dave Gettleman might not value. The secondary highly in least, historically. I believe he has only drafted quarterbacks highly once and that was back in twenty sixteen after leading Josh Norman go, but he does have a tendency to select defensive backs often usually in with Dave three picks either hoping that in these zone based scheme in Carolina guys who don't have elite measurable can pan out. You know, working with instincts and reading quarterbacks is and also having Keithly there. But also, those guys are helpful on special teams. They're generally athlete. It's tough to be defensive back in not be athletes. There used to tackling. So even if this isn't a position that is drafted highly. I'm going to bid on being a high volume vision. Yes. A corner was six on my board four for the reasons you said, I think I think they definitely take a corner to look at the corner depth chart right now. I mean, generous Jenkins Sam Bill in grant Haley are the starting three you have jacomb twos. Really only had the one good season in two thousand sixteen twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen were very different from that twenty sixteen season you had Sam byu pencilled in as a starter on the outside as much as both of us have said we do like sand Bill I wouldn't be comfortable just handing him the starting number two quarter role grant Haley, we also like a quite a bit. But just throwing him in again as the starting nickel to start the year. He had some good and had some bad last year. And then behind them, you just have pretty much toilet it. Yeah. I also like a player. I think you also might be the third wide receiver on the. Roster. Yeah, is so I do see them coming out somewhere with a corner. Whether it's I think like in that day three range like the fourth fifth round is probably the sweet spot to get some of those athletic developmental guys that you could probably work in. So yeah, I I see that as an option. Absolutely. And where the giants have their most picks is where I start to like the most. Find the most value at the position. With guys like the Kentucky corners or as Ahah Johnson out of Houston. There are quite a few especially converted wide receivers who have the length and athleticism the giants like in defensive backs who should probably be going in the fourth or fifth round. Yet. Djamil dean is a guy. I like a lot. He might be more of a third rounder. Then you have some other dies Derrick. Thomas are Justin lane. These guys are all super athletic guys. Maybe even go in in the second round. That's certainly possible. I think the secondary does indeed a lot of work. And you know, it's something I said wait a west actually during the season. And then a real wrote about it late in the season of hell much. The giant secondary. Really let down their pass rush of because the secondary could not hold up to allow the pressure. That was getting to the quarterback to actually make a difference of because there was usually someone opened for the quarterback. Throw to. So if the giants are not going to have a good pass rush again. And again last year, they they got pressure. They just didn't get sex two different things. You can still have a good pass rush without sex. I wonder how often they're going to get pressure this year. And if they're not going to get pressure as often that secondary needs to be really good in order for opposing quarterback's throw all over the place. So I think the corner is going to be really important and right now, they don't have the pieces there. So I is definitely a position giant shoud be looking at. Yes. So we're going into the third round now. Yeah, we'll go there. So I'll take the position that probably should be taken. But. Not totally sure it how they view this. I'm just I'm going to go with quarterback. I have quarterback forth on my board. I think it's because I've not sold that they take one in the first round if they don't take a quarterback at six. I don't think they should take one at seventeen if you if you make a quarterback, then he should be worthy of the number six overall pick. And I don't wanna hear that you want to get one of the elite defenders and then get a quarterback because quarterback should take precedent over that. And if you like it quarterback should be worth the six overall pick. If you are grading one of these defensive players over a quarterback that you like then you don't really like the quarterback that much and just hoping this guy falls to seventeen doesn't make a lot of sense to me either white this guy or or you don't. So that's how I view the quarterbacks and how teams should go about it. So I'm not sold that they're going to take Haskins at six and then I'm not. Told they should absolutely not sold that they should take someone like lock over or Daniel Jones at seventeen but I think they'll come out of this draft with a quarterback, regardless. Whether that's another fourth or fifth round flyer. They take because they have all of those fourth and fifth round picks. So not sold that they go early. But I do believe they take one though, I'm not totally sure where that would be. Yeah. If they pass on quarterback early again, I could definitely see them taking another scratch off in the form of guy like repeat or even tire Jackson. I could see him really intriguing this team because he is a phenomenal athlete. So that will get the scouts excited. He's got size for days. We know Dave Gettleman Malike and just all those raw tools a coach like Pat Shurmur could look at him and say, you know, what I can work with that. I think I can I'm confident enough in my bills that I think I can make that into something. I don't disagree that they would think that I hope they wouldn't counting on it. But yet Taibbi Jackson is an interesting case because he is gigantic he's athletic, but he cannot throw in accurate football. I'm looking at I have a sports positions on target rates. And I have them for any throw past the line of scrimmage and among the fourteen quarterbacks I have here Tyree Jackson ranks fourteenth in on target percentage. That is below jets did them trace McSorley Attari Jackson through an accurate Paul past. The line of scrimmage on sixty five point one percent of his throws guides. Who say are fairly inaccurate. Like drew lock in dental Jones. They were at seventy three point five percent. And seventy three percent. You have the guys at the top will Greer at eighty percent Murray at seventy eight point one percent Dwayne Haskins. Seventy seven point three percent. You have tiger Jackson all the way down at sixty five point one percent. So again like I said in less episode quarterback. Accuracy is I think such an important part that you cannot really teach. So when people are saying that Tyree Jackson is like a a good developmental prospect. I just I'm not sure how realistic that is. Because he's so inaccurate that it's going to be so hard for that to be fixed. They basically have to take him in rebuild his mechanics from the ground up, and he would have to be willing to take the coaching to break everything down and put in just a ton of work. I don't know that you could say it's impossible, but very very improbable. But if he's there in the fifth round or fourth round in that got all of those picks, I could see them blowing the trigger yet. And then taking a quarterback there does not disqualify you from taking a quarterback in twenty twenty. If that is the main goal, I think you taking a Jones or lock at seventeen probably does because he already have that draft capital invested in them. And you probably not giving up on on a first round pick like that. I could also see. Will Greer at thirty seven. I would be a proponent of. Then you can see maybe someone like ribbon in maybe like the third or fourth. That's really all. I would be okay with it. I can see the giants coming away with some quarterback. Even if they don't go early. So Chris let's go to what you are going to take with your pick in round. I am going to go with wide receiver. This is a draft class with some big wideouts. And we know Dave Gettleman likes big wide receivers. Also, the giants are a team with basically nothing but question marks in their past game. They have sterling Shepard who we know is good. But we know he's a good number two. Can he be? A good number one. And actually give them. Production this year in reason to keep him after his rookie contract runs out. Or will? They let another second round pick walk. Golden Tate has been good in run after catch situations, but according to football outsiders. He wasn't just bad in Philly. He started to decline when he still with Detroit and finish the season as the second worst receiver in the league. At least by their metrics. Was that just an outlier or was that the beginning of an actual decline, and basically a slide into the end of his career? After those guys that got Cody Latimer who. Is okay. I guess corker Coleman who's really really best as a kick returner and Bennie Fowler. Who is okay. I guess he he's there. You can catch the ball on occasion. When it's thrown to especially without del there anymore. The depth of their wide receiver group is just scary. And they have none after this year. So I think between the fact that this is a really interesting and talented wide receiver class just before we recorded your guy. JR Sega Whiteside. Ran a four four nine in his day, which for his size is good. But then you've got guys like AJ Brown or deebo Samuel. And just a whole bunch of really interesting wideouts. Even. Pass decay Metcalf, which who knows maybe. Maybe cattleman fell in love with him at the combine. We haven't found out yet. Yeah. So wonders was was fifth on my board. That would have been my next pick. I think they absolutely come away with a wide receiver. This is probably more of a of a volume thing. Also, I don't think they're going to go with one in the first round. But I think as soon as the second maybe is where they could go with receiver the depth chart, it's golden Tate and sterling Shepard who is on the last year of his rookie deal. A lot to be desired. It's basically the same rotation from last year that left a lot to be desired. I can certainly see that this wide receiver group while not super top heavy. There's not the stand out like flashing future. Number one guy. There's a lot of death here. And there's a lot of guys to leg. Like, you said do I JJ Sega Whiteside a lot? I like Emmanuel hall from Missouri. A lot I like someone like Gary. Jennings from West Virginia a lot. So there's there's a lot of different mold of wide receivers that pretty much any team could fit into any scheme. So whatever you like there is a receiver in this class for it. And since the giants do need a wide receiver. I they're they're definitely going to draft one. I could see it probably as early as the second round, depending on how things break it might even wind up being in the first round if they decide they like Hakeem Butler. He could be in the conversation at seventeenth overall. Yeah. It's possible. Think that that's probably a stretch. I would think but what we'll see. Yeah. 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But if you like that might be a possibility if he's on the board who knows and then after him and Devin Bush who will probably go widow later in the first round, there's a huge gap until the rest of the off ball linebackers are likely to go. But there is there's some interesting prospects there, depending on how you view like a guy like Ben curve in from Washington who was just a tackling machine was pretty good in coverage ended up tested testing pretty well in the combine. I could see the giants maybe taking some shots at all linebackers weight. And those are guys you could play on special teams. I could see them trying to get that position. This is also probably a little bit more of a volume play. But I think that's a position they probably go to because they have L goal tree. And who knows how much longer he's going to be on the Rosser? He's a could be a post June first cut as early as that. We don't know because that's one of the easiest ways for the giants. You free up some space, and then there's the BJ Goodson. And then there's not a lot of depth at linebacker on the giants Rosser. So. We're saying this for almost every position that the death chart isn't great, and you could see them targeting that position. But I think linebacker is it falls into that category. Also. Yeah, you know, Dave Hillman did say that the purpose of free agency was to put you in a position where you didn't need to Trafton any particular position. Well, I I suppose kind of coming at it from from the other direction, but they don't need to draft any position they need to draft every position. But speaking off ball linebacker. I I agree with you. I do see them taking at least one. I think I might be higher on Bemba curving and cash out of Minnesota than a lot of people. Are they both tested actually extremely well. They're undercover spark monsters, and I don't have them all that far behind the two Devon's speaking of Devon Bush might even be in the conversation at seventeenth overall. I personally wouldn't hate it each very athletic. He's one of these guys who just watching him it almost looks like he's playing fast forward compared to just about everybody else on the defense yet. He isn't just fast in shorts. He's fast on the field, which I love to see especially a linebacker yet. It still seems like a position of knee. I I'm pretty high on bender turban. Also, I think the lot of the other linebackers. Do we've a little bit to be desired. So it is. It's very. Abukar bus position. I think you either taking what of the top two guys hoping someone Mike Burke curving the works out or you're probably just ignoring the position altogether. So this is kind of I mean, it's late in the draft for us here. So it's a swing at a position that might be a big impact, or it might just be ignored altogether. Yeah. Which? There's a whole lot of narratives coming in about the China and signaling linebackers. I it might be interesting to see the conversation. If they've got him in winds up ignoring the linebacker position as well, which they could probably convince themselves that they don't need to based on how elegant tree played against backup quarterbacks in the second half of the season getting all those interceptions and returning them for touchdowns. Yeah. Wouldn't surprise me. If they've talked themselves into that in not really needing upgrade at linebacker. Specially given the upgrades they need at a lot of the other defensive positions. Chris while let's get into you were fourth round pick. All right. I am going to go for another one of historically David omens favorite positions to draft the interior offense of line. So yes, the giants draft will Hernandez last year. And they have they spent big to get Kevin Zeitler, which not only does he carry ten million dollar cap hit each of the next two years. And then I think at goes up to twelve million dollars the final year, but they also traded their best and only proven pass rusher to get him. The guard positions are set they don't have any depth behind them. Which is why I think this could be a volume pick. But also, I've said this before I am just not feeling terribly comfortable with John lobby. Oh and Spencer poli at center Alonzo. He is not terribly athletic center. He has problems using his hands, especially when it comes to run blocking. He has a tendency to run block with his shoulders and. I believe there are a few really good centers. This is a really good interior offense of line class. So I think they could come away with an upgrade. And there's a decent chance that it at least one of their picks into your offense of line is going to be the best player available. Yeah. I could see that. So I this is where I had interior authentic line. Also, there's yeah. Probably some guard death. Maybe maybe a center, a you could absolutely see that. I think there are some guys who could be interesting waiter in the draft that they would be interested in. It's not something they're going to go high. But you absolutely could see them just by trying to get that death there because there is no depth. We're saying that again for every position there's not a lot of depth. So I in in that fifth round going. I could absolutely see maybe take a swing on a center. If they're there or or taking over just taking some guards just so there, I mean, Kevin Zeitler is going to be thirty as much as he will be his first year on the giants. It's not his first year in the league. So having some more depth there and injuries. They they happened on the offense of line. So stock up some players to adjust for some insurance if if nothing else, so we are going to do a just five rounds of this. There's three main positions lap. So we're going to leave one position off. So I'm going to go into the fifth round. And it's. Interesting where where this is going to go. I think I think I know which position you're not going to draft. See, I'm not sure I I have my my head my big board setup. And now that I'm looking at it. I'm thinking I'm gonna take tight end. We're we're looking at an Ingram is going to be coming up on the end of his video in two years Rhett. Ellison has a cuddle contract. They did just resign Scott Simonsen, but not for a lot of money, and this is a pretty athletic and deep tight end class. So I could see them again in net mid round area. Taking a tight end seeing. If maybe there's someone who can pass catch a little bit who can block a little bit. I think the depth at tight end is there for them to possibly take a swing that position? And maybe have someone who can step in in twelve personnel. And if you know Evan Ingram becomes the basically defacto number three wide receiver and use him out in the slot. Moral though, he was more productive when he was in line because he can be mismatch there. Also, he especially in the second half of the season. He was more productive when he. Came back and was playing in line. But I just think the depth at tight end is there if you have if you want a guy why maybe Caleb Wilson a from UCLA who great after the catch. You also have guys like a MAC from Notre Dame or drew sample from Washington there's like wide receiver. I think there is enough different types of tight ends that you could find what you're looking for. And it kind of feels like the giants are going to want to be in that twelve personnel. And if you're not going to be running Rhett Ellison out there on you a hundred percent of the is maybe they add another one there. Yeah. You know? I actually love this pick. I I do think the giants wind up drafting a tight end at some point personally. I like Dawson Knox. And. Foster Moreau out of LSU dos. Knox's out of Mississippi. I like both of those guys for the giants. They really surprised with their athleticism. Knox is just a big lump of clay as a tight end. He was I'm not sure if he was thought of enough in all MRs offense to be an afterthought he never caught a touchdown for them. And I think he might have only caught twenty three passes in total in college. But he's got size. He's got athl- lettuces them. He can block. He even though I never threw him the ball he lined up all over their offense. So he's got that versatility Moreau. He was primarily a blocking tight end. But he also just really surprised with how athletes he is. And. If the giants are looking for a low cost and athletic walking tight end with upside as a receiver. I I think they'll look long and hard at Monroe, and then there's also again that seventeenth of pick. There is the possibility that TJ Hawkins sin is in the conversation there, especially if they can't get an offense of tackle at a value. They like they could get him in hope that he basically reinforces the right side of their line. And basically simulates having a right tackle there with Chad Wheeler. Yeah. That could be the case if it's not Hodkinson, you know, guys like Moreau. There are some good players industry to Ken block who can catch in. I think the giants are probably going to be looking at a bunch of those. There's know. Drew sample at Trayvon west go from West Virginia. There's there's a lot of guys to like in this class. So I could see the giants taking a swing somewhere on one of these tight ends to add there. So Chris we have one pick left. You are between running back and safety. A where you going to go with this pick? I'm drafting safety. I would honestly be surprised if the giant script running back at all at any point in this draft wing Goeman is a perfectly good number two. They should probably get him the ball more. I really like live your penny at fullback, I think he's got a lot of civility in. He's a good blocker and saquon Barkley base. It is has basically been arm wrestled into the position of being their offense. About eleven months ago. We were excited about the possibilities of having saquon Odell inevitably room together for three to five years. Well, now, it's unless they drastically change how they use evidence room. It's basically just going to be saquon. So I don't think they're going to be drafting a running back, although there are some here. I like. But. Like I said a couple rounds ago. Dave Elman does like trafficking defensive backs. Although he does seem to favour Cornerbacks over safeties. He does not he doesn't draft safeties high. I believe the highest one he ever drafted was trae Boston. Yet. There's not a very long track record of Dave Gettleman valuing safeties we've seen that. Oh, good bit, cough, cough, Curtis Riley, and in with what they were willing or not willing to pay when and Collins and all of that. So yes safety was actually last on my board. I probably would have taken running back ahead of it. But I could see them taking a mid to late round safety. Also, see them taking a bit too late Brown running back. That would not surprise me really at all. But yeah, I think these two positions are the we I guess needed on the rudder could see them looking at Gebriel peppers for how much they've talked him up Anton buffet, and Michael Thomas, I could see them thinking they have a decent three safety set there. Whether that's true or not is is yet to be determined. I have said I do like buffet. Quite a bit. And I think he he can play pretty well. And then you you have running back where you have saquon Barkley you have Winkelmann to. Yes, should be put into the offense a little more. I wonder if they will now that they're probably going to rely on Barclay more often that probably does in a way mean Goeman get some more snaps the to lighten the load on the Barclay when he probably is carrying the ball more when he's on the fields. So I could see them maybe taking taking late round flyer on running back. Just you add add a third guy to be in that mix. You paul? Perkins is still on the Rosser. He was on. I are all year. He still technically giants will see there's probably going to be five or six running backs in camp. Whether they're all going to see who's going to be in that rotation there. But yeah, I could also see safety. This is also a group of safeties that there is. Deepened there's different safeties. And depending on the scheme, you know, before the peppers fate. I think that could have been someone they looked at into first round that he wouldn't have had the seventeenth pick without that trade. But we've peppers wasn't the return. And it was something else. You could see someone like maybe Chauncey Gardner Johnson as seventeenth pick. A you could see them maybe still going with the safety. I think what we've established here is there's really no set positions on this Rosser. So we could see the giants going almost anywhere in this grass. And it wouldn't be super surprising yet about before it went on about the only place. We really agreed. They probably almost certainly will not draft is punter and kicker because algebra sauce was really really good last year. And surprisingly, so as Riley Dixon, so they don't even. Those guys are pretty much they should be locked in. And I suppose it's. Statement about the state of the roster that. Their most locked in positions are running back kicker and punter. Oh and long, snapper. Yes. That's that's pretty much know what it is. In upgrades can be found at needed pretty much everywhere else. So what's run through the results of this draft require? So my positions were edge. Ofensive tackle quarterback off ball. Linebacker and tight end. Chris ended up with the interior defensive line quarterback wide receiver interior offense of line and safety. So we'll see who ends up with the better class. So like we said at the top. If that position gets drafted in the first round will get seven points in the second round six points and down to one point for getting drafted in the seventh round. And after the draft will come back. We'll share the results of maybe if we remember this. I think it was just fun exercise to try to get into the bind. Of the giant see where the draft value is where the giants need help on the browser which is a lot of places and a different way of trying to think about how they might attack the draft, which I think we need at this point. We are three weeks away. We have been talking about it for for quite some time. So I hope you guys enjoyed this episode. 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