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Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

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Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

"On the morning of April twenty first nineteen eighty the eighty fourth annual Boston marathon began in Hopkinton Massachusetts over five thousand runners in nearly half. A million spectators gathered for the big race about two hours. After the marathon began. The first runners began to finish. The first was as expected. The number one male runner in the World Bill Rodgers as he crossed the finish line. Rogers won his third straight Boston marathon with a time of two hours. Twelve minutes and eleven seconds twenty minutes later the first woman approached the finish line fans stood up expecting to see famed Canadian runner Jacqueline Garo instead. They saw an unknown runner that not even the most obsessive running expert recognized it was Rosie Ruiz. A twenty six year old administrative assistant from New York running in her second ever marathon. Ruis looked exhausted her arms flailing wildly as if she was swimming her way to the finish line when Ruiz crossed the finish line. The led timer listed her time as two hours. Thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds. She hadn't just won the race. She'd also set the fastest women's Marathon in American history. Ruis grimace and smiled. As she finished the race she had seemingly accomplished the impossible coming out of nowhere to win. The most celebrated long distance running event in the world. But it was all a lie. Rosie Ruiz hadn't set a record time. She hadn't even run the race. Welcome to sports. Criminals Park has original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Corduroy. You can find episodes of sports criminals. And all of their par- cast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to PODCASTS TO STREAM. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. But it's no how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast in twitter at podcast network today we're discussing. Rosie Ruiz who came out of nowhere to win the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. Only for it to be revealed later that she won the race by cheating this week will explore Ruiz's beginnings and how? She lied to win the Boston. Marathon next week will cover the fallout of the marathon. And how his life changed. Afterwards Rosie Ruiz's early life is shrouded in mystery. What's known as that? She was born in Havana Cuba on June. Twenty First Nineteen fifty three when she was eight years old she and her mother moved to Miami Florida. Miami felt like an entirely new and alien world to younger. We's she was overwhelmed and isolated living in a new country and city surrounded by a language. She didn't speak. She started running both as a way to escape her anxiety in as a way to come to terms with her new surroundings sometime later she was separated from her mother and sent to Hollywood Florida to live with her aunts and uncles again. She took to running to cope. She began running cross country in high school but had to stop when she suffered a knee injury that required surgery even running. The one thing she clung to was taken away from her. After high school she left Florida to study music at Wayne. State College in Nebraska. It was another new world for her but she learned to adapt one year into her college career. Reza's life was thrown for a loop. When she was involved in a serious car crash. She suffered a blow to the head in the accident. It left her with. Chronic severe headaches and occasional blackouts these lingered far longer than could be explained by the crash so in late. Nineteen seventy three. She flew back to Miami where doctors could examiner after a battery of tests. They found the cause of headaches a tumor the size of Tangerine embedded in her skull. Shockingly the doctors told her that the tumor had been there since she was born at Twenty Years. Old Ruis underwent brain surgery to remove the mass. Luckily the growth turned out to be benign in nineteen seventy seven after graduating from college. Roy's decided not to return to Miami instead. She threw herself into yet another new city. The Big Apple at this point relieves was comfortable with constant moves in new surroundings and even liked it. She moved into a high rise apartment near Times Square with two roommates and got a job as an administrative assistant for a metal trading company but shortly after she moved to New York. She had her first brush with the law in late. Nineteen seventy seven release allegedly stole credit cards from an acquaintance apartment in racked up. Fifteen hundred dollars in false charges the acquaintance lodged a complaint with the NYPD but Ruiz paid restitution and the charges were dropped compounding. Her legal issues were continuing health issues. In September of nineteen seventy eight Ruiz's doctors discovered a small defect Inter Skull Leftover from the first brain surgery. She needed another operation. So a plastic plate could be inserted in her skull throughout her life. Ruiz had turned to running to cope with their problems. So in February nineteen seventy nine when she finally felt physically well. Enough twenty-four-year-old Rosie. Ruiz once again began running. She managed to log a hundred miles a week either running through central park or by training on an exercise bike in her apartment after a few months running. Ruiz decided she was ready to put herself to the test. She wanted to run a marathon. A marathon is a grueling long distance. Run of twenty six miles and three hundred eighty five yards. It takes its name. Inspiration from the legend of Philipe vs. Who In four ninety? Bc ran from the battle of marathon to the city of Athens to announce the Greeks victory over the Persians. The distance between those two points about twenty six miles became the basis of the modern marathon. The sport was invented for the first Olympic Games in April eighteen. Ninety six in Athens Greece by the Mid Twentieth Century completing a marathon had become one of the most prestigious feats an athlete could accomplish and Rosie ries wanted to prove herself an accomplished athlete. It was a huge jump for her while she had been taking running seriously. Ruis was not an experienced long distance runner. She'd likely never run anything close to marathon length but she was determined to try. Ruis tried to fill out an application for the New York marathon but discovered that the deadline had passed. She contacted the marathon's organizers and ask for special dispensation claiming she was dying of brain cancer convinced by her story. The marathon's organizers allowed her to turn in the application late on the application Ruis listed her expected finishing time as just over four hours about average for marathon and a very respectable time for a first time runner. On the morning of October Twenty First Nineteen seventy-nine Ruis arrived at Fort Wadsworth on Staten Island to compete in the New York City Marathon. It was the largest New York marathon since the event's inception in nineteen seventy with eleven thousand five hundred thirty three runners including forty-six hundred first timers like ruis an estimated crowd of two point. Five million spectators gathered along the race route to cheer the runners on Res Checked in at Fort Wadsworth received a number and took her place waiting among the massive crowd of runners at nine. Am The starting cannon fired. The race was on to give herself out. Ruis asked her roommate to meet her eight miles into the race to check if she wanted to drop out. When Ruis reached the eight mile mark she looked up and saw her roommate waving her from the crowd. Ruis shook her head telling her roommate that she felt good and was going to finish. She was not going to quit somewhere near the ten mile. Mark near Nineteenth Street in Brooklyn or we had a change of heart either due to injury or due to exhaustion. She walked off the course and left the race. That didn't mean she had given up on her goal of finishing however far from it. She had just decided to take a little shortcut. Ruiz descended into the subway system. And got onto the one train. Going North into Manhattan. She took a seat and kept her head down trying not to draw any attention to herself with thousands of people participating in the New York Marathon. It wouldn't have seemed that unusual to see a runner on a train. After a few stops release felt more comfortable and struck up a conversation with a woman named Susan Morrow who was sitting next to her as it turned out the two of them were going to the same place. The marathon's finish line in central park. Ruiz told tomorrow that she twisted her ankle at the ten mile mark of the marathon but wanted to cheer on the other runners at the end of the race. Moro was headed to see her friend. Crossed the finish line ruis and her new friend got off the subway at Columbus Circle and made their way into central park. Rees was noticeably limping and would occasionally lean on Morro shoulders. They pushed through the crowd and police barricades to get to the finish line as they made their way through. The crowd. Ruis grabbed a can of juice and poured it over her head. Moro thought that was odd but reason that it was a quirky runners. Habit when the two of them reached the final barricade. Ruiz declared herself an injured runner and was helped into the medical tent. Then are we told the medical staff at the marathon that she'd already completed the race. They credited her a time of two hours. Fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds ranking her twenty third place among all women that time also qualified her for the Boston Marathon one of the most famous and celebrated running events in the world after briefly receiving treatment on her ankle. Ruis emerged from the medical tent and found Moro. They exchanged contact information. Andrew we suggested the two could have lunch the next week then. Ruiz disappeared into the crowd. Loved everything about the marathon the thrill of the racist beginning the Camaraderie with other runners and the victory of finishing the only part she didn't like was having to actually run all twenty six miles but she had seemingly found a way around that when she returned to work. The following Monday release received a hero's welcome. Her coworkers were shocked and impressed by her achievement and res Soaked in the attention her boss who also happen to be. A runner was particularly impressed after finding out that her time qualified her for the Boston marathon he generously offered to pay for a weekend trip to compete in April her. We graciously accepted but despite her supposed successes all is not well for Rosie Ruiz in the days and weeks following her surprisingly strong finish in the New York Marathon. She began to feel increasingly nervous. Her fraudulent act hadn't just impressed her roommates and friends. It had also created expectations among her co workers and her boss but now had to be met. She couldn't risk letting them all down even worse if she performed badly in Boston she'd risked revealing that her New York Marathon. Finish with a lie so she trained with the intention of running the full race in addition to wanting to prove herself rees also knew that her cheat in. Newark wasn't guaranteed to work in Boston. Which was a more prestigious race with greater media attention and scrutiny in the five months between the New York Marathon and the Boston Marathon? Ruis ran as much as she could. Outside of work as the race approached in the spring of one thousand nine hundred eighty however rees likely knew she wasn't ready. The truth was she wouldn't be able to legitimately come close to the two hours fifty six minutes. She supposedly accomplished in New York and it was even more likely that she wouldn't be able to finish the race at all but she couldn't quit. She had to see it through on April twentieth. Nineteen eighty the night before the marathon. Ruiz called her mother in Miami. She asked her mother to pray for her and said that she needed to win. Her mother applied that she always prayed for the next morning. Rees left her hotel and walk to the starting area of the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. It would be the most consequential day of her entire life. When we come back Rosie Ruis takes on the Boston Marathon. It's Carter. I am happy to announce the launch of our new podcast series supernatural. With Ashley. Flowers has been a great success. It's a show where all very proud of here at podcast and we thank you for listening. If you haven't had a chance to tune in yet I definitely recommend you head over to the supernatural with Ashley Hours. Feed and start following today every Wednesday Ashley. Flowers takes on a different crime or mystery where the most fitting theory isn't always the most conventional where the deaths of two Brazilian men a result of making contact with spirits on Mars. Get closer to the truth than ever before. Regarding the mystifying lead masks case did four friends have a highly unusual encounter during a camping trip in Maine sort through the out of this world circumstances surrounding the allegations incident. And who and what were responsible for the unexplained death of Australia's Somerton man dig deeper into the peculiar details and poetry involved in the case. Each week Ashley takes on the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences. That's already one of my favorite shows and I hope you check it out. Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Now Back to the story as twenty six year old Rosie. Ruiz stepped up to the starting line of the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. She felt a huge amount of pressure to perform. Not only did she feel a personal pressure to replicate her supposedly great finish in the one thousand nine hundred seventy nine New York marathon but she also felt as though she was carrying the burden of the women who came before her. She couldn't let herself do significantly worse in Boston. Let alone fail to finish and risk revealing that. Her performance in New York was ally too much was at stake her reputation her job and possibly even the reputation of women's long distance running the Boston. Marathon was one of the first races established after the eighteen ninety six Olympics and was first held one year later on April. Nineteenth 1897 quickly established itself as one of the most respected and celebrated running events the world and remains today. The world's oldest annual marathon marathons I began. They were only open to male runners and it took nearly seventy five years for the Boston Marathon to be open to women in nineteen sixty six twenty four old. Roberta Gibbs submitted an application for the Boston marathon but was rejected by the race director. Who stated that women were physiologically incapable of running long distances? Give refuse to accept that instead. She took a bus from San Diego to Boston and hid in the bushes as the race started. After a few moments and wearing a bulky sweater she surreptitiously jumped into the crowd of runners within a few minutes. The runners around realize that Gabe was a woman gave her their support. After they told Gibbs that they wouldn't let the race organizers. Throw her out give took offer sweatshirt and revealed her gender by the end of the marathon. She was a celebrity. The Governor of Massachusetts arrived to shake her hand as she crossed the finish line. Still the race refused to allow women but give had inspired them to run it anyway. The next year twenty nine year old Katherine Switzer registered as a male to get a number and penny then finished the race. Despite race officials attempt to physically remove her from the race. Thanks to the efforts of women like give and Switzer the Amateur Athletics Union finally permitted women to running marathons in nineteen seventy two that year. Eight women started the race and all finished by the time Rosie. Ruiz arrived in Boston in one. Thousand nine hundred eighty. The number of women running had risen to four hundred fifty six still a fraction compared to the five thousand male runners when Rosie ries woke up on the morning of April twenty first nineteen eighty. She may have intended on running the race legitimately despite her lies about finishing in the New York Marathon. She might have still been conflicted about doing the same in Boston and may have wanted to prove to herself that she could run the entire race but cheating was always an option. The weather was warm that morning when Rosie Ruiz left her hotel. She took the train to the suburb of. Hopkinton where she met. Four hundred and fifty five other women and over five thousand men at the starting line of the marathon. She received the official number W fifty signifying that. She was the fiftieth ranked woman in the race. Thanks to her supposed finish in New York Jacqueline Guerrero. A Canadian runner was the favourite to win the women's race. She'd won the National Capital Marathon Ottawa. The year before and many of the spectators in Boston that day were there to see if Garo could win another Gero stiffest competition was with American Patti. Lyons who came in second in the New York Marathon. Twenty six year old. Rosie Ruis was not on anyone to radar despite her high rank and her strong finish in New York but ruis was there to win and was willing to do whatever it took to achieve. First place the starting gun was fired. Fans cheered as Rosy Ruis and a five thousand other runners set off on the twenty six mile journey shoulder to shoulder in a massive swarm. It wasn't long before her legs and feet to tire. Her breathing became more labored. Deep down understood that Oliver Training hadn't truly prepared her for a full marathon. She was never going to finish all twenty six miles not long into the race. Release had a momentous decision to make. She could admit her own shortcomings and quit but she thought about the consequences. She might face what would happen if her boss who paid for her to run in the Boston. Marathon found out. She hadn't even made it half way. The other option was to cheat sheet. Already gotten away with the New York and believes she could easily get away with it again so she made her decision. She turned in abruptly. Jog off the race route. Just like she had in New York for we took a shortcut after exiting the race release found a quiet place to wait for an hour staying as far away from view. She could when enough time had passed to make her finishing time believable. She made her way to the nearest train station and took the hour long train. Ride to Kenmore Square and Bruins is more careful than she'd been in New York. She kept to herself and didn't strike up a conversation with anyone as she boarded the Green Line train. The train was crowded and releases heart pounded as it crawled toward Boston. Desperately hoping that no one would make eye contact and ask her about the marathon number on her shirt. No one did ruis made it to Boston. Without being noticed. When Ruiz reached her destination she left the train and headed for the finish line slipping through the busy crowd where we started running as she approached the race. Just over two hours after the race began rosie. Ruiz emerged from the crowd of cheering spectators and seamlessly merged with the marathon runners. She glanced behind her then to her left and right none of the spectators nor any of the other runners seemed to recognize that anything was a myth. However we's had rejoined the race far ahead of any other female runners. It's possible that she simply missed judged her jump into the marathon however it's also possible that like she told her mother she felt as though she needed to win and and tried her best to do exactly that after jumping onto the course ruis reportedly ran the last mile of the race. She built up enough sweat to look convincing enough to most spectators and the enthusiastic crowd cheered her on as she stumbled past the finish line. Exactly two hours thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds after the race began rosie. Ruiz had fought her way through car. Crashes Brain surgeries and numerous personal problems to win the most prestigious running event in the world. It was no longer Rosie ries administrative assistant. She was now Rosie Ruis Boston marathon champion after crossing the finish line released put on a good show and played. The part of a marathon runner exhausted looking. She nearly collapsed into the arms of two police officers. Photographers and TV. Cameramen FOCUS THEIR LENSES. On the victorious. Ruis as she limped with the officers help away from the finish line. Other runners congratulated Ruiz as she passed which she acknowledged with a smile. Ruis made it to the victory stand where race officials congratulated her and placed a laurel wreath on her head suddenly energetic ruis wave to the crowd in beamed taking in all the attention. She had gotten away with her lie. Rosie Ruis had become in the blink of an eye a famed marathon champion. Three minutes after Rosie. Ruiz Finished Jacqueline. Gareau cross the finish line and was met with a polite cheer from the crowd. Caro- immediately noticed that the cheers weren't as loud as she expected. She looked up to the winner. Stand and saw Rosie Ruiz with a wreath and a metal and was confused. She hadn't seen her we's at any point in the entire race. Garo finished with a time of two hours. Thirty four minutes and twenty eight seconds. A new personal best but there was no fanfare or Laurel Wreath for her no prize for second place. We had beaten the women's record by nearly three minutes on the victory. Stage Rosie Ries took place alongside men's winner bill. Rogers Rogers took one look at release and furrowed his brow. He expected to be standing alongside. Jacqueline Guerrero enro- the first words Rogers said to Ruiz were simply. Who are you as Ruis? Innocently introduced herself. Rogers took a closer look at her and quickly realized that something was fishy. Ruis was wearing a thick shirt with sleeves. Despite the fact that all elite long distance runners preferred thin sleeveless shirts even stranger. There were no sweat stains on her uniform. She didn't seem nearly as exhausted as Rogers knew she would be after finishing a marathon on top of all that we simply didn't physically look like she was in shape to be a marathon runner however it was too late to stop the celebrations Massachusetts Governor. Edward King shook ruis and Rogers hands as he awarded them their medals and congratulated them on their victories as the two winners stood together on the podium. Rogers made small talk with Ruiz. He asked her what her splits where and was met with a blank stare for. We didn't know that splits were harassed time divided into smaller parts that confirmed it for Rogers. She definitely hadn't run the race. Rogers the race organizers and members of the press. Were beginning to realize what had happened but ruis for the moment was victorious. She was on top of the world down in the crowd. Bill Rodgers brother. Charlie watched and begin to feel physically. Ill He also realized that Ruiz's didn't look like a marathon runner and that there must have been a mistake as the medal ceremony concluded. Charlie set off to find a race official to tell them of his suspicions within five minutes of visas victory. The organizers of the marathon knew something had gone terribly wrong when we come back Rosie. Ruiz faces serious questions about her shocking marathon. Victory now back to the story on April Twenty First Nineteen Eighty Twenty six year old administrative assistant rosier. We's came out of nowhere to win the Boston Marathon. It was a great story. An amateur runner with only one other race tour name. Who beat the odds to win the marathon? It seemed too good to be true because it was rosie. Ruiz hadn't run the marathon at all she had cheated. Suspicion started to mount immediately after we cross the Finish Line. It started with a male winner. Bill Rodgers who could sense? That hadn't run twenty six miles a few minutes. After Ruiz was given her medal she was pulled into a television interview. With Catherine Switzer. Who had run the marathon in nineteen sixty seven by registering as a man? Switzer introduced released to the world as the winner of the marathon in possibly a new American women's running record holder. First Switzer ash-trees. How many marathons she'd run before. Ruis responded that this was her second after the New York Marathon. Only a few months before with a time of two hours. Fifty six minutes Switzer asked what Ruiz's attributed her twenty minute improvement to between pauses to sneeze and cough. We simply said she didn't know like bill. Rogers Switzer began to feel doubt so she tried to take deeper. She asked Ruiz if she'd been training with a lot of heavy intervals. Workouts designed to increase speed ruis laughing replied that she didn't even know what intervals were. Switzer's unease was evident in her expression when she ended the interview noting that Ruiz was a mystery woman who seemingly evaded all of the marathons checkpoints on her way to victory by the time. The two winners were brought in front of a group of reporters for a news. Conference that confusion over releases out of nowhere. Victory had turned into suspicion. Reporters followed Switzer's lead and peppered Ruis questions releases answer is left the reporters more skeptical than they'd been before. She said she'd only been running long distances for a year and a half didn't have a coach or advisor and didn't know what time splits were to explain why she didn't seem tired after running an entire marathon. Ruiz said she'd gotten up with a lot of energy that morning. When asked how it was possible that no other female runner had spotted her during the race. She offered three explanations. I she had passed herself off of the men seconds. She was so new to the sport that no one knew who she was and finally her short hair must've made the other runners assumes he was male the reporters were now certain that something was wrong with Rosie Ruis Inter victory by the time the final marathon runner crossed the finish line. Just over an hour. After Ruiz's finish rumors and speculation were spreading rapidly. Adding fuel to the fire were comments from Jacqueline Guiraud and Patty Lions stating that. Neither of them saw any woman pass them during the race. After the press conference Bill Rodgers went right to the Boston Marathon. Race director will clooney and told him that there was no way. Ruis had run the race. Clooney knew he had to handle the situation carefully. He was concerned about the effect cheating scandal might have on the reputation of the Boston Marathon. A few hours after the race clooney met with Rosie Ruiz at her hotel so she could tell her side of the story or we brought along her friend. Steve Merrick the president of a running club join the week before the marathon. Who claimed he could vouch for? Release Ruis defiantly maintained that she ran the whole race and won it fair and square merrick backed up Ruiz's story as much as he could specifically noting that he saw her at the starting line in Hopkinton however neither America nor anyone else saw release at any other point in the race. Clooney left the hotel that night. Unsure of the truth release was convincing but so is Rogers. Only one thing was clear. The Boston marathon was now embroiled in a major controversy and it was up to Clooney in the Boston Athletic Association to find out what really happened while cloney began investigating the marathon winners. Victory Lap continued normally early the next morning on April Twenty Second Nineteen Eighty Rosie. Ruiz and Bill Rodgers were brought to the set of a local. Tv show called good day live to be interviewed about their wins. Rogers uneasiness about Ruis had overtaken his own personal satisfaction about winning the race. He wasn't just concerned. That Jacqueline Guiraud had been cheated out of a metal. Like Wilk Loni. He was worried about the effect scandal. Like this might have on the sport as a whole before going onto the set. Rogers pulled me aside and privately delivered a stern warning. He told her that if anything had gone wrong during the marathon she needed to admit it as soon as possible where we hesitated tears appeared at the corners of her eyes for a split second. Rogers believed that Ruiz was going to confess instead. Release shook her head and crying. Repeatedly stated that she'd won legitimately Rogers decided to let it go for the moment and the two went ahead with the TV appearance by the time of their TV interview. The whispers about Ruiz at grown ladder and suspicion escalated the TV host citing an article written by a running expert in the New York. Post asked both Ruis Ann Rogers about the reported belief that improvement from the New York. Marathon to Boston was physically impossible. Rogers answered diplomatically. Saying that while improvement is possible. He couldn't conceive of a twenty minute improvement. He then said that Ruis would need to resolve. These questions. Ruis herself remained quiet outside the TV studio. The controversy only mounted that morning race director will clooney announced that he had opened an investigation into the allegations against Rosier we's it wouldn't be an easy or straightforward task to determine whether rosaries cheated the Boston Marathon. Didn't record the times of every individual runner as they reached one of the races. Numerous checkpoints instead. The marathon only recorded the numbers of the first one hundred runners at each checkpoint since the first one hundred runners were all male. None of the women's times were recorded at any checkpoint. Instead of relying on checkpoint evidence Clooney would need to closely review recordings of the TV broadcast in eyewitness testimony a team of experts including Katherine Switzer reviewed three sets of video from the race and couldn't identify Rosie Ruiz on any of them nor could they find Ruis on one of the informal lists the top five women runners at any point in the race has the scrutiny intensified Rosie. Ruiz returned home to New York City but she couldn't escape the controversy. The press was beginning to hound. Her now explicitly questioning the validity of her picked. The questions only got louder as the story grew into a nationwide scandal. The concerns led the New York marathon to open their own investigation. Internal wheezes twenty third place finish reporters dug into Rosie Ruiz's life story traveling to Miami and Nebraska searching for clues. They didn't find much. Though classmates. At Wayne State College did remember that. Ruis was an avid jogger. Her we sought refuge in her apartment from the constant media. Attention but dog had reporters still followed some even resorted to sneaking past the building security guards to go directly to Ruiz's door eventually released into roommates abandoned the apartment and move somewhere secret their hunker down and try to ride out the storm with the constant media attention and the looming threat of disqualification release. Felt as though she were living in a nightmare throughout every interaction with her roommate's friends or reporters who manage to track her down Ruis never wavered. She stuck to her story. She had run the entire race. Meanwhile investigations continued in both Boston in New York to determine if she was lying in Boston officials and reporters interviewed the runners who've finished next her. We's none of them saw her. During the race in New York officials reviewed videotape of every runner. That crossed the finish line and couldn't find Ruis. None of the mounting circumstantial evidence was enough. However for Boston Marathon Director Wilk Loni to disqualify Rosie Ruis with so much attention on the marathon and the investigation. He felt as though he needed beyond the shadow of a doubt he needed something. More concrete like clear eyewitness testimony. John Faulkner Harvard Senior was jogging by the marathon with his friend. On April twenty. First as they went past the crowd at Kenmore Square they witnessed a woman in a yellow shirt running. Strangely through the crowd she entered the race in its final mile. Faulkner didn't think much of it at the time. Assuming that someone would stop her realize she jumped into the race. The next morning faulkner opened his copy of the Boston Globe and saw photograph of Rosie Ruiz on the front page announcing her as the winner of the marathon. It was the same woman he saw jump into the race. Faulkner initially didn't want to involve himself but after cajoling from his roommates he finally agreed to call the Boston Globe and tell a reporter he'd seen meanwhile in New York another eyewitness reached out. Susan Moro the woman who had befriended Ruis during the New York. Marathon was watching the news when report about the Boston. Marathon came on. Moreo immediately recognized the marathon winner as the same woman. She'd met on the subway as the news. Report continued covering the controversy around Ruiz's. Finish moral began to feel nervous. She didn't know what to do. After some deliberation moral decided to contact the New York Times the next day on Wednesday April twenty third. The Boston Globe published John faulkners eyewitness account early that morning. Reporters News vans arrived at Harvard eager to interview him that night. The New York Marathon director told reporters that he didn't believe Ruis could even run one mile at the pace. She claimed to have run entire marathon with evidence against term mounting Rosie. Ruiz called a press conference the next day. Her only ally. Steve Merrick stood beside her and warned reporters ahead of time that he'd end the press conference if it turned into a carnival. Susan Morrow attended the press conference at the invitation of New York Times reporter. The reporter asked Mario. Ruiz was the woman she'd seen riding the subway during the New York. Marathon Monroe said without question. It was the same woman as cameras snapped Rosie. Ruiz stood in front of a skeptical crowd of reporters. Despite Merrick's warning the reporters were noisy and hostile given the published accounts of John Faulkner. Many of the reporters expected release to confess admit that she cheated and end the entire controversy instead with slight smirk on her face. Rosie Ruis once again insisted that she'd run the race. Moreover she blamed the media for the controversy claiming their coverage was unfair and that any unknown runner. Who won the marathon would be subjected to the same scrutiny and skepticism that she was although Ruiz continued to vociferously denied the allegations of cheating. The tide was already turning against her and it wouldn't be long before her entire house of cards came tumbling down. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with part two of Rosie Reza's story. We'll see how her story eventually crumbled. Our life was affected. 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S7: April Fooled: Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

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S7: April Fooled: Rosie Ruiz Pt. 1

"The year nineteen eighty the Boston. Marathon winner was Rosie Ruiz. That is until eight days later when Rees was stripped of her title. Enjoy these captivating episodes on the life and lies of Rosie Ruiz from podcast series. Sports criminals. If you'd like to hear more shocking stories from the world of sports make sure to subscribe to sports criminals. New Episodes Premiere every Thursday. Listen free on spotify or wherever you get your podcast on the morning of April twenty first nineteen eighty the eighty fourth annual Boston. Marathon began in Hopkinton Massachusetts over five thousand runners in nearly half. A million spectators gathered for the big race about two hours. After the marathon began the first runners began to finish. The first was as expected. The number one male runner in the World Bill Rodgers as he crossed the finish line. Rogers won his third straight Boston marathon with a time of two hours. Twelve minutes and eleven seconds twenty minutes later the first woman approached the finish line fans stood up expecting to see famed Canadian. Writer Jacqueline Gero. Instead they saw an unknown runner that not even the most obsessive running expert recognized it was Rosie Ruiz a twenty six year old administrative assistant from New York running in her second ever marathon. Res Looked exhausted her arms flailing wildly as if she was swimming her way to the finish line when RUIZ CROSSED FINISH LINE. The led timer listed her time as two hours. Thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds. She hadn't just won the race. She also set the fastest women's marathon time in American history. Ruis grimace and smiled. As she finished the race she had seemingly accomplished impossible coming out of nowhere to win. The most celebrated long distance running event in the world. But it was all a lie. Rosie Ruiz hadn't set a record time. She hadn't even run the race. Welcome to sports criminals a podcast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport. We'll also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Carter Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all of their podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP anti sports criminals in the search bar at podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love but no our doing reach out on facebook and Instagram. At podcast in twitter at podcast network. Today we're discussing Rosie Ruis. Who came out of nowhere to win the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon? Only for it to be revealed later that she won the race by cheating this week will explore Ruiz's beginnings and how? She lied to win the Boston. Marathon next week will cover the fallout of the marathon. And how has life changed afterwards? Rosie Ruiz early life is shrouded in mystery. What's known as that? She was born in Havana Cuba on June. Twenty First Nineteen fifty three when she was eight years old she and her mother moved to Miami Florida. Miami felt like an entirely new and alien world to younger. We's she was overwhelmed and isolated living a new country and city surrounded by a language. She didn't speak. She started running both as a way to escape her anxiety in as a way to come to terms with her new surroundings sometime later she was separated from her mother and sent to Hollywood Florida to live with her aunts and uncles again. She took to running to cope. She began running cross country in high school but had to stop when she suffered a knee injury that required surgery even running. The one thing she clung to was taken away from her. After high school she left Florida to study music at Wayne. State College Nebraska. It was another new world for her but she learned to adapt when year into her college career. Ruiz's life was thrown for a loop. When she was involved in a serious car crash. She suffered a blow to the head and the accident. It left her with. Chronic severe headaches and occasional blackouts these lingered far longer than could be explained by the crash so in late nineteen seventy-three. She flew back to Miami where doctors could examiner after a battery of tests. They found the cause of her headaches. A tumor the size of Tangerine embedded in her skull shockingly. The doctors told her that the tumor had been there since she was born. At Twenty Years Old Ruis underwent brain surgery to remove the mass. Luckily the growth turned out to be benign in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven after graduating from college. Ruiz's decided not to return to Miami instead. She threw herself into yet another new city. The Big Apple and this point relieves was comfortable with constant moves in new surroundings and even liked it. She moved into a high rise apartment near Times Square with two roommates and got a job as an administrative assistant for a metal trading company but shortly after she moved to New York. She had her first brush with the law in late. Nineteen seventy seven release. Allegedly stole credit cards from an acquaintances apartment and racked up fifteen hundred dollars in false charges the acquaintance lodged a complaint with the NYPD but Ruis paid restitution and the charges were dropped compounding. Her legal issues were continuing health issues. In September of Nineteen Seventy Eight. Reza's doctors discovered a small defect inner skull leftover from the first brain surgery. She needed another operation. So a plastic plate could be inserted in her skull throughout her life. Ruiz had turned to running to cope with her problems. So in February nineteen seventy nine when she finally felt physically well enough twenty four year old Rosie Ruiz. Once again began running she managed to log a hundred miles a week either running through central park or by training on an exercise bike in her apartment. After a few months of running ruis decided she was ready to put herself to test. She wanted to run a marathon. A marathon is a grueling long distance. Run of twenty six miles and three hundred eighty five yards. It takes its name. Inspiration from the legend. Filipi these who in four ninety. Bc ran from the battle of marathon to the city of Athens to announce the Greeks victory over the Persians. The distance between those two points about twenty six miles became the basis of the modern marathon. The sport was invented for the first Olympic Games in April eighteen. Ninety six in Athens Greece by the Mid Twentieth Century completing a marathon had become one of the most prestigious feats an athlete could accomplish and Rosie. Ruis wanted to prove herself an accomplished athlete. It was a huge jump for her while she had been taking running seriously. Rees was not an experience. Long distance runner. She'd likely never run anything close to marathon length but she was determined to try. Ruis tried to fill out an application for the New York marathon but discovered that the deadline had passed. She contacted the marathon's organizers and ask for special dispensation claiming she was dying of brain cancer convinced by her story. The marathon's organizers allowed her to turn in the application late on the application Ruis listed her expected finishing time as just over four hours about average for a marathon and a very respectable time for a first time runner on the morning of October twenty. First Nineteen seventy-nine Ruis arrived at Fort Wadsworth on Staten Island to compete in the New York City Marathon. It was the largest New York marathon since the event's inception in nineteen seventy with eleven thousand five hundred thirty three runners including forty six hundred first timers like res. An estimated crowd of two point. Five million spectators gathered along the race route to cheer the runners on her. We checked in at Fort. Wadsworth received a number and took her place waiting among the massive crowd of runners at nine. Am The starting cannon fired. The race was on to give herself an out. Ruis asked her roommate to meet her eight miles into the race to check if she wanted to drop out. Whenever we reached the mile mark she looked up and saw her roommate waving in her from the crowd. Ruis shook her head telling her roommate that she felt good and was going to finish. She was not going to quit somewhere near the ten mile. Mark near Nineteenth Street in Brooklyn or we had a change of heart either due to injury or due to exhaustion. She walked off the course and left the race. That didn't mean she had given up on her goal of finishing however far from it she had just decided to take a little shortcut. Ruiz's descended into the subway system and got onto the one train going North into Manhattan. She took a seat and kept her head down trying not to draw any attention to herself with thousands of people participating in the New York Marathon. It wouldn't have seemed that unusual to see a runner on the train. After a few stops release felt more comfortable and struck up a conversation with a woman named Susan Morrow was sitting next to her as it turned out the two of them were going to the same place. The marathon's finish line in central park. Ruiz told Moro that she twisted her ankle at the ten mile mark of the marathon but wanted to cheer on the other runners at the end of the race. Moral was headed to see her friend. Cross the finish line ruis and her new friend off the subway at Columbus Circle and made their way into central park. Ruis was noticeably limping and would occasionally on moral shoulders. They pushed through the crowd in police barricades to get to the finish line as they made their way through. The crowd. Ruis grabbed a can of juice and poured it. Over her head moreover. I thought that was odd but reason that it was a quirky runners. Habit when the two of them reached the final barricade. Ruiz declared herself and injured runner and was helped into the medical tent. Then are we told the medical staff at the marathon that she'd already completed the race. They credited her a time of two hours. Fifty six minutes and twenty nine seconds ranking her at twenty third place among all women that time also qualified her for the Boston Marathon. One of the most famous and celebrated running events in the world after briefly receiving treatment on her ankle. Ruis emerged from the medical tent and found Moro. They exchanged contact information. Andrew we suggested the two could have lunch the next week then. Res Disappeared into the crowd as loved everything about the marathon the thrill of the races beginning the camaraderie with other runners and the victory of finishing the only part she didn't like was having to actually run all twenty six miles but she had seemingly found a way around that when she returned to work. The following Monday release received a hero's welcome. Her coworkers were shocked and impressed by her achievement and Ruiz soaked in the attention. Her boss who also happen to be. A runner was particularly impressed after finding out that her time qualified her for the Boston marathon he generously offered to pay for wiest trip to compete in April her. We graciously accepted but despite her supposed successes all is not well for Rosie Ries in the days and weeks following her surprisingly strong finish in the New York Marathon. She began to feel increasingly nervous. Her fraudulent act hadn't just impressed her roommates and friends. It had also created expectations among her co workers and her boss now had to be met. She couldn't risk letting them all down even worse if she performed badly in Boston she'd risked revealing that her New York marathon finish was ally so she trained with the intention of running the full race in addition to wanting to prove herself rees also knew that her cheat in Newark wasn't guaranteed to work in Boston which was a more prestigious race with greater media. Attention and scrutiny in the five months between the New York marathon in the Boston Marathon. Ruis ran as much as she could. Outside of work as the race approached in the spring of nineteen eighty however ruis likely knew she wasn't ready the truth was she wouldn't be able to legitimately come close to the two hours fifty six minutes. She supposedly accomplished in New York and it was even more likely that she wouldn't be able to finish the race at all but she couldn't quit. She had to see it through on April twentieth. Nineteen eighty the night before the marathon ruis called her mother in Miami. She asked her mother to pray for her and said that she needed to win. Her mother applied that she always prayed for her. The next morning we left her hotel and walked to the starting area of the Nineteen Eighty Boston. Marathon it would be the most consequential day of her entire life. When we come back Rosie Ruis takes on the Boston marathon now. Back to the story as twenty six year old Rosie. Ruiz stepped up to the starting line of the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon. She felt a huge amount of pressure to perform. Not only did she feel the personal pressure to replicate her supposedly great finish in the nineteen seventy nine New York marathon but she also felt as though she was carrying the burden of the women who came before her. She couldn't let herself do significantly worse in Boston. Let alone fail to finish and risk revealing that. Her performance in New York was ally too much was at stake her reputation her job and possibly even the reputation of women's long distance running the Boston. Marathon was one of the first races established after the eighteen ninety six Olympics and was first held one year later on April nineteenth eighteen ninety seven quickly established itself as one of the most respected and celebrated running events in the world and remains today the world's oldest annual marathon when marathons I began. They were only open to male runners and it took nearly seventy five years for the Boston Marathon to be open to women in one thousand nine hundred sixty six twenty four year old. Roberta Gibbs submitted an application for the Boston marathon but was rejected by the race director. Who stated that women were physiologically incapable of running long distances? Gabe refused to accept that instead. She took a bus from San Diego to Boston and hid in the bushes as the race started. After a few moments and wearing a bulky sweater she surreptitiously jumped into the crowd of runners within a few minutes. The runners around realized that give was a woman and gave her their support. After they told Gibbs that they wouldn't let the race organizers. Throw her out give took offer sweatshirt and revealed her gender by the end of the marathon. She was a celebrity. The Governor of Massachusetts arrived to shake her hand as she crossed the finish line. Still the race refused to allow women but give at inspired them to run it anyway. The next year twenty nine year old Katherine Switzer registered as a male to get a number and penny then finished the race. Despite a race officials attempt to physically remove her from the race. Thanks to the efforts of women like give and Switzer the amateur Athletic Union finally permitted women to running marathons in nineteen seventy two that year. Eight women started the race and all finished by the time. Rosie Ruis arrived in Boston in one thousand nine hundred eighty. The number of women running had risen to four hundred fifty six still a fraction compared to the five thousand male runners when Rosie. Ruiz woke up on the morning of April. Twenty first nineteen eighty. She may have intended on running the race legitimately despite her lies about finishing the New York Marathon. She might have still been conflicted about doing the same in Boston and may have wanted to prove to herself that she could run the entire race but cheating was always an option. The weather was warm that morning when Rosie Ruiz left her hotel. She took the train to the suburb of. Hopkinton where she meant. Four hundred and fifty five other women and over five thousand men at the starting line of the marathon. She received the official number W fifty signifying that. She was the fiftieth ranked woman in the race. Thanks to her supposed finish in New York Jacqueline Guiraud. A Canadian runner was the favourite to win the women's race. She'd won the national capital Marathon in Ottawa. The year before and many of the spectators in Boston that day were there to see. If Garo could win another Garros stiffest competition was with American Patti. Lyons who came in second in the New York Marathon. Twenty six year old Rosie. Ruiz was not on anyone's radar despite her high rank and her strong finish in New York but ruis was there to win and was willing to do whatever it took to achieve first place. The starting gun was fired. Fans cheered as Rosy Ruis and a five thousand other runners set off on the twenty six mile journey to shoulder in a massive swarm. It wasn't long before her legs and feet began to tire. Her breathing became more labored as deep down understood that Oliver Training hadn't truly prepared her for a full marathon. She was never going to finish all twenty six miles not long into the race. Ruis had a momentous decision to make. She could admit her own shortcomings and quit but she thought about the consequences. She might face what would happen if her boss who paid for her to run in the Boston. Marathon found out that she hadn't even made it half way. The other option was to cheat. Sheet already gotten away with New York and she believes she could easily get away with it again so she made her decision. She turned an abruptly. Jog off the race route. Just like she had in New York for we took a short cut after exiting. The race release found a quiet place to wait for an hour staying as far away from views. She could when enough time has passed to make her finishing time believable. She made her way to the nearest train station and took the hour long train. Ride to Kenmore Square and Boston. Ruiz was more careful than she'd been in New York. She kept to herself and didn't strike up a conversation with anyone as she boarded the Green Line train. The train was crowded and Ruiz's hard pounded as it crawled toward Boston. Desperately hoping that no one would make eye contact and ask her about the marathon number on her shirt. No one did ruis made it to Boston without being noticed when Rees reached her destination she left the train headed for the finish line slipping through the busy crowd or we started running as she approached the race just over two hours after the race began rosie. Ruiz emerged from the crowd of cheering spectators and seamlessly merged with the marathon runners. She glanced behind her then to her left and right none of the spectators nor any of the other runners seemed to recognize that anything was amiss however elise had rejoined the race far ahead of any other female runners. It's possible that she simply missed judged jump into the marathon however it's also possible that like she told her mother she felt as though she needed to win and tried her best to do exactly that after jumping onto the course ruis reportedly ran the last mile of the race. She built up enough sweat to look convincing enough to most spectators and the enthusiastic crowd cheered her on as she stumbled past the finish line. Exactly two hours thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds after the race began rosie. Ries had fought her way through car. Crashes Brain surgeries and numerous personal problems to win the most prestigious running event in the world. It was no longer Rosie Ruis Administrative Assistant. She was now. We re we's Boston marathon champion. After crossing the finish line released put on a good show and played the part of a marathon runner exhausted looking. She nearly collapsed into the arms of two police officers. Photographers and TV. Cameramen focused their lenses. On the victorious. Ruis as she limped with the officers help away from the finish line. Other runners congratulated breweries. She passed which she acknowledged with a smile. Ruis made it to the victory stand where race officials congratulated her placed a laurel wreath on her head suddenly energetic ruis wave to the crowd and beamed taking in all of the attention. She had gotten away with her lie. Rosie Ruiz had become in the blink of an eye a famed marathon champion. Three minutes after Rosie Ruiz finished Jacqueline Guru across the finish line and was met with a polite cheer from the crowd. Caro- immediately noticed that the cheers weren't as loud as she expected. She looked up to the winter. Stand and saw Rosie release with a wreath and a metal and was confused. She had senior we's at any point in the entire race. Garo finished with a time of two hours. Thirty four minutes. Twenty eight seconds a new personal best but there was no fanfare or Laurel wreath for her. No Prize for second place. Ruis had beaten the women's record by nearly three minutes on the Victory Stage Rosie. Ruiz took her place alongside men's winner. Bill Rogers Rogers took one look at release and furrowed his brow. He expected to be standing alongside. Jacqueline Guerrero the first words Rogers said to Ruiz were simply. Who Are you? As Ruis innocently introduced herself Rogers took a closer look at her and quickly realized that something was fishy or we was wearing a thick shirt with sleeves. Despite the fact that all elite long distance runners preferred thin sleeveless shirts even stranger. There were no sweat stains on her uniform. She didn't seem nearly as exhausted as Rogers knew she would be after finishing a marathon on top of all that we simply didn't physically look like she was in shape to be a marathon runner however it was too late to stop the celebrations Massachusetts Governor. Edward King shook ruis and Rogers hands as he awarded them their medals and congratulated them on their victories as the two winners stood together on the podium. Rogers made small talk with Ruis. He asked her what her splits were and was met with a blank stare or we didn't know that splits were. Jerez time divided into smaller parts. That confirmed it for Rogers. She definitely hadn't run the race. Rogers the race organizers and members of the press. We're beginning to realize what had happened but ruis for the moment was victorious. She was on top of the world down in the crowd. Bill Rodgers brother. Charlie watched and begin to feel physically. Ill He also realized Ruiz's didn't look like a marathon runner and that there must have been a mistake as the medal ceremony concluded. Charlie set off to find a race official to tell them off his suspicions within five minutes of ruas victory. The organizers of the marathon knew something had gone terribly wrong when we come back Rosie. Ruiz faces serious questions about her shocking marathon. Victory now back to the story on April Twenty First Nineteen Eighty Twenty six year old administrative assistant rosie. Ruiz came out of nowhere to win the Boston Marathon. It was a great story an amateur runner with only one other race to her name. Who beat the odds to win the marathon? It seemed too good to be true because it was rosie. Ruiz hadn't run the marathon at all. She had cheated. Suspicions started to mount immediately after we cross the Finish Line. It started with a male winner. Bill Rodgers. Who could sense that we hadn't run twenty six miles a few minutes? After Ruis was given her medal. She was pulled into a television interview with Catherine Switzer who had run the marathon in nineteen sixty seven by registering as a man. Switzer introduced release to the as the winner of the marathon in possibly a new American women's running record holder. First Switzer asked Ruis. How many marathons she'd run before. Ruis responded that this was her second after the New York marathon only a few months before with a time of two hours and fifty. Six minutes. Switzer asked what is attributed her twenty minute improvement to between pauses to sneeze and cough. We simply said she didn't know like bill. Rogers Switzer began to feel doubt so. She tried to dig deeper. She asked if she'd been training with a lot of heavy intervals. Workouts designed to increase speed res laughing replied that she didn't even know what intervals were. Switzer's unease was evident in her expression when she ended the interview noting that rees was a mystery woman who seemingly evaded all of the marathons checkpoints on her way to victory by the time. The two winners were brought in front of a group of reporters for a news conference. The confusion over releases out of nowhere. Victory had turned into suspicion. Reporters followed Switzer's lead and peppered Ruis with questions Ruiz's answer is left the reporters more skeptical than they'd been before she said she'd only been running long distances for a year and a half didn't have a coach or advisor and didn't know what time splits were to explain why she didn't seem tired after running an entire marathon. Ruiz said she'd gotten up with a lot of energy that morning. When asked how it was possible that no other female runner had spotted her during the race. She offered three explanations I. She had paid herself off of the men seconds. She was so new to the sport that no one knew who she was and finally her short hair must've made the other runners assumes he was male. The reporters were now certain that something was wrong with Rosie Res Inter victory by the time the final marathon runner crossed the finish line. Just over an hour. After Ruiz's finish rumors and speculation were spreading rapidly. Adding fuel to the fire were comments from Jacqueline Gero and Patty Lions stating that. Neither of them saw any woman pass them during the race. After the press conference Bill Rodgers went right to the Boston Marathon. Race director will clooney and told him that there was no way. Ruis had run the race. Clooney knew he had to handle the situation carefully he was concerned about the effect of cheating. Scandal might have on the reputation of the Boston Marathon. A few hours after the race cloney met with Rosie Ruiz at her hotel so she could tell her side of the story where we brought along her friends. Steve Merrick the president of a running club. She joined the week before the marathon. Who claimed he could vouch for? Release Ruis defiantly maintained that she ran the whole race and won it fair and square merrick backed up Ruiz's story as much as he could specifically noting that he saw her at the starting line in Hopkinton however neither Merrick. Not anyone else saw release at any other point in the race. Clooney left the hotel that night unsure of the truth. Ruiz was convincing. But so as Rogers. Only one thing was clear the Boston. Marathon was now embroiled in a major controversy and it was up to Clooney and the Boston Athletic Association to find out what really happened while. Clooney began investigating the marathon winners. Victory Lap continued normally early the next morning on April Twenty Second Nineteen Eighty Rosie. Ruiz and Bill Rodgers were brought to the set of local. Tv show called good day live to be interviewed about their wins. Rogers uneasiness about her. We had overtaken his own personal satisfaction about winning the race. He wasn't just concerned. That Jacqueline Guerrero had been cheated out of a medal. Like we'll clooney. He was worried about the effect. A scandal like this might have on the sport a whole before going onto the set. Rogers pulled Ruis aside and privately delivered a stern warning. He told her that if anything had gone wrong during the marathon she needed to admit it as soon as possible ruis hesitated. Tears appeared at the corners of her eyes for a split second. Rogers believed that we was going to confess instead. Released shook her head and crying. Repeatedly stated that she'd won legitimately Rogers decided to let it go for the moment and the two went ahead with the TV appearance by the time of their TV interview. The whispers about release at grown ladder and suspicion escalated the TV host citing an article written by a running expert in the New York. Post asked both Ruis Ann Rogers about the reported belief that her improvement from the New York. Marathon to Boston was physically impossible. Rogers answered diplomatically. Saying that while improvement is possible. He couldn't conceive of a twenty minute improvement. He then said that Ruis would need to resolve. These questions. Ruis herself remained quiet outside the TV studio. The controversy only mounted that morning race director will cloney announced that he had opened an investigation into the allegations against Roe zero. We's it wouldn't be an easy or straightforward task to determine whether Rosie Ruiz cheated the Boston. Marathon didn't record the times of every individual runner as they reached one of the races. Numerous checkpoints instead. The marathon only recorded the numbers of the first one hundred runners at each checkpoint since the first one hundred runners were all male. None of the women's times were recorded at any checkpoint. Instead of relying on checkpoint evidence Clooney would need to closely review recordings of the TV broadcast an eye witness testimony a team of experts including Katherine Switzer reviewed three sets video from the race and couldn't identify Rosie Ruiz on any of them nor could they find her. We is on one of the informal lists of the top five women runners at any point in the race as the scrutiny intensified Rosie. Ruiz returned home to New York City but she couldn't escape the controversy. The press was beginning to hound. Her now explicitly questioning the validity of her victory. The questions only got louder as the story grew into a nationwide scandal. The concerns led the New York marathon to open their own investigation into releases. Twenty third place finish reporters dug into Rosie Ruiz. His life story traveling to Miami and Nebraska searching for clues. They didn't find much. Though classmates. At Wayne State College did remember that. Ruiz was an avid jogger. Her we sought refuge in her apartment from the constant media. Attention but dog had reporters still followed some even resorted sneaking past the building security guards to go directly to release his door eventually released into roommates abandoned the apartment and move somewhere secret their release hunker down and try to ride out the storm with the constant media attention and the looming threat of disqualification release felt as though she were living in a nightmare throughout every interaction with a roommate's friends or reporters who manage to track down. Ruiz never wavered. She stuck to her story. She had run the entire race. Meanwhile investigations continued in both Boston in New York to determine if she was lying in Boston officials and reporters interviewed the runners finished next to none of them saw her during the race in New York officials reviewed videotape of every runner. That crossed the finish line and couldn't find Ruis. None of the mounting circumstantial evidence was enough. However for Boston. Marathon director will clooney to disqualify. Rosie ries with so much attention on the marathon and the investigation. He felt as though he needed proof beyond the shadow of a doubt he needed something. More concrete like clear eyewitness testimony. John Faulkner Harvard Senior was jogging by the marathon with his hand on April twenty. First as they went past the crowd at Kenmore Square they witnessed a woman in a yellow shirt running. Strangely through the crowd she entered the race in its final mile. Faulkner didn't think much of it at the time assuming that someone would stop her or realized she jumped into the race. The next morning faulkner opened his copy of the Boston Globe and saw photograph of Rosie Ruiz on the front page announcing her as the winner of the marathon. It was the same woman he saw jump into the race. Faulkner initially didn't want to involve himself but after cajoling from his roommates he finally agreed to call the Boston Globe. And tell a reporter what he'd seen. Meanwhile in New York another eyewitness reached out. Susan Moro the woman who had befriended released during the New York. Marathon was watching the news when report about the Boston. Marathon came on. Moro immediately recognized the marathon winner as the same woman. She'd met on the subway as the news. Report continued covering the controversy. Around Louise's finish Moro began to feel nervous. She didn't know what to do. After some deliberation moral decided to contact the New York Times the next day on Wednesday April twenty third. The Boston Globe published John faulkners eyewitness account early that morning reporters. A news vans arrived at Harvard eager to interview him that night. The New York Marathon director told reporters that he didn't believe Ruis could even run one mile at the pace. She claimed to have run an entire marathon with evidence against her mounting Rosie. Ruiz called a press conference the next day. Her only ally. Steve Merrick stood beside her and warned reporters ahead of time that he'd end the press conference if it turned into a carnival. Susan Morrow attended the press conference at the invitation of New York Times reporter. The reporter asked Mario if Ruis was the woman she'd seen riding the subway during the New York. Marathon more said without question. It was the same woman as cameras snapped. Rosie Ruis stood in front of a skeptical crowd of reporters. Despite Merrick's warning the reporters were noisy and hostile given the published accounts of John Faulkner. Many of the reporters expected release to confess admit that she cheated and end the entire controversy instead with a slight smirk on her face. Rosie Ruis once again. Insisted that she'd run the race moreover. She blamed the media for the controversy claiming their coverage was unfair and that any unknown runner. Who won the marathon would be subjected to the same scrutiny and skepticism that she was although Ruis continued to vociferously deny the allegations of cheating. The tide was already turning against her and it wouldn't be long before her entire house of cards came tumbling down. Thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with part two. Rosie ruas story. We'll see how her story eventually crumbled and how her life was affected after the truth was revealed. You can find all episodes of sports criminals and all other park has originals for free on spotify. Not only spotify already. Have all your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals like sports criminals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream sports criminals on spotify just open the APP tap browse and type sports criminals in the search bar. 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Rosie Ruiz Pt. 2

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Rosie Ruiz Pt. 2

"November nineteen eighty-three to inconspicuous women sat waiting in the lobby of the Miami Airport Marriott. Despite their innocuous appearance the two women weren't there to enjoy a vacation in south beach. They were there to complete a drug deal. The two women had fifty two thousand dollars worth of cocaine stuffed into their handbags and access to far more along with a third accomplice Rosie Ruis. They formed a small-scale all women cocaine operation and they were about to complete one of the biggest sales of their brief drug dealing career. The buyer arrived at the hotel greeted the two women and invited them up to his room. So they could speak more discreetly. Once in private the women showed the buyer. The drugs in negotiations began. The buyer was happy with what they had but wanted more a lot more. He wanted to buy two kilograms of cocaine which had a street value of nearly half a million dollars. The women eagerly agreed they could easily get two kilograms worth they seal the deal with a handshake once. An agreement was in place. The buyer offered them as sympathetic smile before informing the women that they were under arrest. He was an undercover cop. Entire drug deal was a set-up seventy miles away ruis sat by the phone impatient. It had been too long since her friends made contact. Something must have gone wrong. Just as Ruis was beginning to panic. She received a call from one of her accomplices. They'd been arrested and the cops were coming for a we's two. She had moved back to Florida to get her life back together but it was all suddenly at risk of falling apart yet again. Released didn't know whether to turn herself into the police. Wait it out or flee. Only one thing was for sure. Ruis was a long way away from the Boston. Marathon victory podium. Welcome to sports criminals. Apar- cast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do it we love. Let us know how. We're doing retail on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. This is our second episode on Rosie Ruiz. Who came out of nowhere to win the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon? Only for it to be revealed that she won the race by cheating last week. We explored Ruiz's beginnings and how few white lies allowed her to win the Boston Marathon. This week will cover the fallout of the cheating scandal and how? Ruiz struggled to get her life together afterward on Monday. April Twenty First Nineteen Eighty Twenty six-year-old administrative assistant. Rosier wees won the Boston Marathon. One of the oldest and most prestigious running competitions in the world. Not only did she plays I. She said a new American marathon record for women in the process in only her second ever marathon run ruis beat out established runners impasse champions to win the race. Other runners and reporters were shocked as they watched res take her place on the winner stage and receive a gold medal. But the truth was that Rosie. Ruiz hadn't run the race at all. She cheated a shortcut and lied on her way to victory. Her story hadn't been quite convincing enough. It wasn't long before everyone around. Her became skeptical of her accomplishment. The male winner Bill Rodgers could tell instantly that Rosie Ruiz hadn't run the race and told the race director suspicions reporter and former marathon runner Katherine Switzer felt the same way especially after interviewing her. We's and discovering that the supposed winner had nearly no knowledge of running technique in response to the accusation. The Boston Athletic Association began investigation into Ruiz. Piling on the New York marathon launched their own inquiry into releases. Twenty Third Place. Finish five months earlier on. Wednesday April twenty third two days after the marathon. The suspicion erupted into a full blown scandal to Harvard. Students revealed that they saw ruis jump into the race in its last mile. The day after newspapers published the Harvard Students Eyewitness Account Public opinion quickly turned on Ruis. Reputation was in free fall later that same day. Another eyewitness came forward. Susan Moro manhattan-based clothing designer who had ridden the subway with rosier ways to the finish line of the New York Marathon. More conclusively identified Ruis as the woman she'd seen on the subway even her closest ally local running club. President Steve Merrick remarked to reporters that he wasn't sure if Ruis had fully run either. The New York or Boston Marathons damagingly. Merrick also added that if it was proven. That breeze didn't run the New York race than there was no way she ran the one in Boston Rosie. Ruiz was running out of allies yet. Despite his own public doubts still agreed to help release because no one else would. The two of them held another press conference on April. Twenty fourth to address the new allegations ruis angrily faced down a crowd of skeptical reporters and once again denied the cheated. She declared that she would ultimately be proven. Innocent and at the skepticism was only based around the fact that she was an unknown if no one remembered her racing alongside them it was simply because they didn't recognize her going further. Ruiz took the opportunity to blast the treatment that she and other women runners faced in terms of race organization and press coverage. She also argued that whether proven guilty or not. The controversy around her marathon win might have the effect of increasing coverage of female runners. In general as the reporter's questions in volume tears ran down. Ruiz's face Steve Merrick placed his hand on her shoulder as she grip the podium shakily and lamented the fact that she was only able to enjoy her own marathon victory for a moment before the controversy began ruis is emotional breakdown was met with further skepticism from reporters and derision from other runners who had little sympathy for cheater even as she passionately defended herself things. Were getting worse for Ruis. Although the investigation was still not yet complete the New York marathon race organizer Fred. Lebeau told reporters that he was convinced that Rosie Ruiz had not run either marathon. A decision on her disqualification was imminent. The Boston Athletic Association announced that a decision on Ruiz's victory would be handed down by the end of the week. All signs pointed to the victory being voided. Jacqueline Gero famed Canadian runner and second-place Finisher in the Boston. Marathon flew back down from Canada to Massachusetts on Thursday. She expected to be retroactively crowned. The marathon winner on Friday and was scheduled celebrate Tori interview on local TV that night race director will colonie had a decision to make. Investigation was entirely in his hands while he felt as though he had enough evidence to convincingly. Say That we're we didn't run the race. It wasn't quite as conclusive as he would've liked drawing from his past career as a military lawyer. Clooney didn't feel comfortable with a case. That wasn't a slam dunk so he decided to hold off on presenting the evidence to the Board of Governors of the Boston Athletic Association until he had a report from the official race photographers who were pouring over. Tens of thousands of race photographs. If by some bizarre circumstance released actually had run the race. The report from the photographers might finally offer some evidence of that. If she hadn't their report would be the final nail in the coffin against her late on Thursday night New York Marathon race director. Fred Lebeau called cloney and offered to take him off the hook by first disqualifying release from the New York. Grace being disqualified from New York would retroactively maker. We's ineligible to run in Boston. Thus taking away the victory without cloning needing to prove that she had cheated cloney refused the New York directors offer. He wanted to have conclusive proof and make a strong decision for the good of the race and the sport early Friday morning. Clooney announced that no decision would come until Monday. A frustrated and angry Jacqueline Garo once again flew back to Canada to replace her in the studio the local. Tv Channel invited Rosie. Louise once again released Garros rightful place in the spotlight. A hopeful Rosie. Ruiz travel back to Boston on Friday morning. With Steve Merrick. Still at her side Clooney's announcement had given her a sense of optimism. She hadn't felt since winning the race itself. It was possible that she'd be exonerated and her victory could stand in front of the Bright Studio Lights and TV CAMERAS. Ruiz's once again pleaded her case she casually offered to take a lie detector test though she also hedged her beds by saying polygraph wouldn't prove anything concrete one of the TV hosts asked Ruiz's directly if she truly thought she actually ran the race or if she had any doubts Ruiz's confidently answered that she had no doubts. She didn't announced that she would prove her own running ability by participating in a ten K. In New York City three months later in July organized by Steve Merrick on Friday night news came in from New York City. The director of the New York Marathon announced that thorough examination of the video evidence concluded that Ruis had not run the marathon. Victory was therefore officially voided while the voided finish in New York technically disqualified Ruiz from the Boston Marathon. The Boston Athletic Association made no official announcement. Either way on Friday night. This was an unprecedented situation. And there were no strict disqualification rules between the New York and Boston marathons. Steve merrick returned to New York leaving release alone in Boston. She stayed alone in her hotel room through the weekend. Anxiously awaiting a ruling from the Boston Athletic Association on Sunday. Will Colonie received his report from the official race photographers. They had examined over ten thousand photographs taken at a checkpoint a mile before the finish line and discovered no evidence that Ruis ever passed it. It was the nail in the coffin. He needed on Monday morning. Ruis received a phone call from. Clooney wanted to meet her a second time. This time he came bearing news. It was time for Rosie Ruis to face the music when we come back the investigations of Rosier. We's come to a close. Hi It's Carter. I am happy to announce that the launch of our new podcast series supernatural with Ashley. Flowers has been a great success. 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Each week Ashley takes on the strange and surreal to explain some of the world's most bizarre true crime occurrences already one of my favorite shows. And I hope you check it out. Follow supernatural with Ashley. Flowers free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story It had only been one week since twenty six year. Old Rosie Ruis had shocked the world by winning the Boston Marathon but those seven days had felt like a lifetime to rees who faced immediate scrutiny from reporters fans and other runners who believed correctly that Ruis had cheated on the evening of April Twenty Eighth Nineteen Eighty. Ruis met with Boston Marathon. Race director will clooney at her hotel. Clooney told Ruis that he was ready to bring evidence to the Board of Governors for vote on her victory. He didn't mince words they would likely vote to disqualify her in named Jaclyn Guerrero. The winner Ruis reportedly sobbed Colonie. Felt sorry for her and tried to be comforting as he delivered the bad news. Despite all the facts against her ruis still wouldn't admit she cheated. He gave her one last chance to provide any evidence that would support her story. She gave me the information of one other male runner whom she said could vouch for her. Cloning knew who the male runner was. He was the overall tenth place finisher finishing the race. One hundred thirty places earlier than Ruiz. He wouldn't have been physically near her at any point during the marathon as kindly as he could only told her. We's that this final defends wouldn't help her. She was or realized there was no way she could stop the inevitable. On Wednesday April thirtieth will clooney held a press conference in downtown Boston. He announced the Board of Governors had voted unanimously to strip Rosie Ruiz for Boston marathon when he stated that the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt that released did not run the entire race. Seated to Kony's right was a jet-lagged Jacqueline Garo. Who had yet again made the trip to Boston this time. She was finally given what she earned nine days before the title of Boston. Marathon champion Clooney placed the Laurel Wreath on Garros. Head as members of the press clapped. Gero smiled hand. Gave A half-hearted fist pump to celebrate her late victory back in New York Rosie. Ruiz delivered a downtrodden statement to reporters once again weekly claiming that she'd been wrongly disqualified and that one day she would prove it with the investigation overhand scandal winding down will cloney traveled to New York to meet with Ruis a third and final time at her apartment. She continued arguing that she'd run the race but clooney stopped her. She already been disqualified. There was no more need for release to defend herself. He was there to simply offer an olive branch. He invited her to run the Boston marathon again. In nineteen eighty-one maybe a year. She could prove that she really was the elite runners. She claimed to be clowney. Did ask for one thing. He wanted ruas metal back to awarded to the rightful winner. A devastated Ruis refused. She repeated that she'd run the race and earn that medal. Cloning was shocked. Despite all that had been revealed. Ruiz truly believed it was rightfully hers. Not wanting to force more conflict cloney. Let her keep it. Ruins return to work later that week hoping that the controversy was over and she could move on with their life instead. Her boss called her into his office. He betrayed it's supported. Ruis paid for her trip to Boston and even defended her to the press now. She proven herself a liar. Those reasons ruis was fired in less than two weeks misfortune rosie. Ruiz had lost everything her marathon win her job and her reputation wherever she went in. New York City. She was reminded of her own failures. Almost instantly joke t shirts for the Rosie. Ruiz Fan club decorated with subway. Tokens became popular in New York and Boston. Her name became synonymous with cheating to pull a rosier. We's entered the cultural lexicon. Ruis tried to ignore it as best. She could an polar life back together. She got a job as a bookkeeper at Richard Stevens. Inc Manhattan based Real Estate Firm and stayed out of the Public. I in the winter of nineteen eighty eight months after her disqualification Steve Merrick visited release to catch up and check in on her. Their conversation drifted to the events of the Boston. Marathon merrick remarked flat out that for we's clearly didn't run the marathon much to his surprise. She didn't defend herself instead. She simply replied that. She didn't need to tell the truth because he already knew according to Merrick or we told that she never intended to win the marathon. She'd only wanted to finish with good enough time to impress her boss. And Co workers back in New York. She'd simply failed to notice that the first woman hadn't crossed the finish line yet jumped into the race too early a year later. The nineteen eighty one Boston. Marathon was held without incident and Rosie Ruis was nowhere to be seen. She didn't take will clooney up on his offer to run again. In fact Ruis never again competed in an organized race. Her career as a long distance runner was behind her career as a liar however was far from over as released. Got Her life back on track. She still felt the inexorable poll towards ethically problematic behavior some reporters viewed reasons behavior as sociopathic. She didn't follow the rules because she didn't really see them through. Some combination of intelligence charisma and ambition. Res Always felt like she could get away with anything. Her new job offered her new opportunities to take advantage of Rosero wheezes responsibilities as a bookkeeper for a real estate firm included personally dealing with the company's finances cashing checks and depositing funds tens of thousands of dollars pass through her hands. Every week wasn't long before she started skimming off the top. At first she took small amounts from the cash. She was given to deposit the bank. Eventually she stopped bothering to go to the bank. Keeping everything for herself crimes escalated. It wasn't enough to steal cash from the company she started forging checks to supplement. Her own salary or bosses at the firm didn't seem to notice that any money was missing. Sir. We is continued stealing more and more. It was as if she didn't see it as a crime like the Boston Marathon. It appeared that she saw it as taking a little shortcut to get what she deserved and like the marathon. She could have gotten away with it if she hadn't gone a little too far with her added income or we lived luxuriously. She went in an expensive apartment in Greenwich Village in Manhattan. Two cabs to work instead of the subway and went skiing every weekend. She took as many sick days as possible. Some weeks barely showing up to the office. Her coworkers were astonished by her lifestyle. They couldn't figure out how she managed it on her meagre salary eventually. Her bosses wondered the same thing. They took a closer look at the worksheet. Done over the past couple of months and were shocked to discover the truth. They realized that Ruis had stolen more than fifteen thousand dollars in cash and forged over forty five thousand dollars worth of checks on April Fifth Nineteen eighty-two they alerted the police who opened a criminal investigation into Ruis two weeks later on April Nineteenth two plainclothes detectives knocked on Rosie releases apartment door when she answered the door detectives and informed her that she was being arrested for. Grand Larceny and forgery. Breeze put on a pair of large sunglasses as she was taken to the police precinct to be booked and charged as the detectives walked her to the precinct doors. Reporters pushed microphones towards her and shouted questions. Ruiz's kept her head down and said nothing. Her assets were seized. Her bank accounts frozen without any money to bail herself out. Ruiz sat in jail for a week while she awaited a resolution to her case. The evidence supplied by bosses at the real estate firm was undeniable. Ruis had no choice but to accept a plea deal. She pleaded guilty to the charges and received a sentence of time served plus five years probation after receiving her sentence. Ruiz's came to the realization that she couldn't start over yet again in New York City. She had burned too many bridges and couldn't take the media attention that's still surrounded her so she made two major life decisions in Nineteen eighty-three i. She would never talk about the Boston marathon ever again second. She decided to return home to Miami Florida and live with her family. She moved down. South got her real estate agents license and always looking for a quick way to make an extra buck began selling cocaine. Ruis got to know two other women who were also looking to earn some extra income together. The women formed a small scale cocaine dealing operation or we acted as middlemen in broker. Taking the cocaine from the supplier while for partners sold it to street level dealers in November of nineteen eighty three to of releases partners went to meet a buyer in the Marriott Hotel near the Miami International Airport. The plan was to sell about fifty. Two thousand dollars worth of cocaine partners met the buyer at the airport and began negotiating. The buyer wanted more than just fifty two thousand dollars worth sir. Wheezes partners said they could get as much as he wanted the offered to Salem. Two kilograms of high-grade cocaine which had a street value of nearly half a million dollars. The buyer agreed. It was going to be a massive pay day for a week and her partners except it wasn't a drug deal at all. It was a drug bust. The buyer was an undercover cop. Andrews partners were immediately arrested and police also put out an arrest warrant for Rosie Ruis. When she heard that her partners were in custody and the police were now looking for her release had another important decision to make surrender and face criminal prosecution or run she could potentially escape back to Cuba where her estranged father still lived. After a week of deliberation Ruiz's decided that she was done running. She turned herself in and was charged with cocaine trafficking. A federal judge deemed ruis a flight risk and ordered her held without bond while they're case progressed. After spending twenty three days in jail rees was sentenced to three years probation less than a month later in January nineteen eighty-four thirty year old Rosie. Ruiz was back in a courtroom. This time to get married. Her husband Egorova Voss was a Colombian immigrant. Who arrived in Miami less than a year before with her cocaine dealing career over. Ruis went out looking for another job. Ironically she was hired by the better business bureau as an accreditation specialist this time she promised herself not to take shortcuts whenever her coworkers asked about the marathon always denied that she was the same. Rosie Ruiz who cheated her way to victory. She wanted to put the mistakes of her. Past is far behind her as possible. There was one exception to this self-imposed secrecy in February of Nineteen eighty-four release discovered Jacqueline. Guerrero was coming to Miami to run a ten K at the Orange Bowl and we couldn't help herself Rosie. Ruiz in Jacqueline Gero had been side by side and all the media coverage of the marathon controversy but had never spoken face to face ruis to finally meet the woman she cheated. When we come back Ruis meets Jacqueline Guiraud now. Back to the story by early. Nineteen eighty-four thirty year old. Rosie ries was on a path to redemption. She was out of jail at a new job and just got married. She was ready to put the past behind her. She wanted one last piece of closure she wanted to meet the woman. She cheated out the Boston Marathon. Win In nineteen eighty. Ruiz went to the Orange Bowl in Miami. On the day of a ten K race and found Jacqueline Gero stretching by the starting line ruis approached with a friendly smile and introduced herself. Kenro did not return or lease friendliness. Instead she bluntly asked Ruis y she cheated in Boston. It had been over three years but the wound was still fresh. Caro- wanted answers had no interest in telling the truth. She repeated which he'd always said she didn't cheat she ran the whole race. She'd won legitimately and she planned to run it again. Kenro was surprised and insulted by wheezes continued dishonesty and lack of remorse so she abruptly ended. The conversation shook her head and walked away. Like Jacqueline Garo. The sport of long distance running couldn't so easily move past the story of Rosie Ruiz. The we scandal was in the words of one runner. The end of the Sports Age of innocence the beloved public aspect of marathons the fact that a world famous athlete leg. Jacqueline Gero ran on the same course at the same time as an amateur like Rosie. Ruiz was now considered a flaw in the system. In the years after Rosie Releases Win The New York and Boston Marathons added significant new security measures more checkpoints. More cameras and more scrutiny. On each and every runner some marathons split runners into two separate races. One with elite competitive runners and won with amateurs eventually races also began inserting tracking chips in the runners shoes to make sure that no one could ever again. Paul a Rosie Ruiz. There were also however positive consequences of reasons actions as she predicted the nonstop news coverage of the controversy made many people pay attention to women's running. For the first time Ruiz's tainted victory may have been a loss of innocence for the sport but it also put it on the cultural map in a way that little else could female participation in the Boston marathon nearly doubled in the two years after wheezes win in nineteen eighty four or the summer games in Los Angeles. The Olympics added a women's marathon event for the first time in history. Jacqueline Garrone competed for Canada but didn't finish due to an injury in the midst of all this change that she helped create rosie. Ruiz stayed quiet in Florida. Happy to remain out of the spotlight or leases life. However remained turbulent Ruiz's relationship with her husband Vivas was rocky. The two of them fought constantly ruis later blamed their marital problems solely on political differences. She was liberal and conservative. Though there were likely other issues at play. Their marriage disintegrated the course of the next two years. In August of one thousand nine hundred five they separated and Ruis moved to West Palm Beach to live with her mother. Reza's tendency to get into trouble followed her to her new home getting her into conflicts with multiple landlords three of whom sued to evict her for breaking her lease. She bounced through a series of jobs working as a public notary and later. Starting your own cleaning service with two other women. Business only lasted a couple of years but release of course managed to take full advantage of every park. She could she even managed to live rent free at a palm beach cottage and exchange or cleaning services in one thousand nine hundred thirty five year. Old Rosie Ruis got a job at the laboratory corporation of America as a client representative. She met a woman named Margarita. Alvarez by the early nineteen nineties the two of them became romantically involved in one thousand nine hundred ninety three forty year. Old Ruis moved into Alvarez House into question Florida by the mid Nineties Rosie. Ruiz found some stability in her life. In lab core and INTO CUESTA. She finally managed to stay in one place after a lifetime of constant turbulence. She raised three sons with Margarita and beyond a handful of traffic violations remained. Mostly out of trouble. Ruis kept her Boston Marathon medal in storage because looking at it made her melancholic still every year. In mid April. She watched the race throughout the two decades following the nineteen eighty Boston marathon. Countless journalists attempted to finer weeds but none were successful in getting an interview. She kept her married name even after her. Divorce FROM ECHO VIVAS. Making it easier for her to stay hidden in one thousand nine hundred eight. A reporter from the Palm Beach Post finally managed to track her down by talking to co workers at Labcorp when Ruis heard about the reporter. She finally broke her silence including telling her co workers that she was indeed the famous. Rosie Ruiz even with her secret out. Ruis remained careful about how she interacted with reporter. She refused to meet them. In person only confirmed her identity by dropping off a reason photo at a public location or the reporter to pick up later when the reporter finally made contact over. The phone release was ready to tell her side of the story. After eighteen years as it turned out her story hadn't changed. She still claimed that she had run the whole race and deserve the medal as blame the entire controversy on politics. She said the race organizers and fans wanted the favorites like Jacqueline Guerrero to win and disqualified her because they were embarrassed that an amateur beat them also claimed that her later legal issues were the result of misunderstandings and bad luck. According to Ruis her cocaine dealing arrest was the result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time in a type statement there were we sent to the reporter after the interview or we promised that she would run again and this time she vowed there would be no mistake about her abilities after the interview in Nineteen Ninety Eight Rosie. Ruiz successfully slipped back into anonymity. She refused to talk to anyone else about her past. She never did run again. Rosie died on July eight. Two Thousand Nineteen after ten year battle with cancer or death was only reported on after journalists recognized. Her photo in a digital obituary published quietly on the Internet. The obituary made no reference to her maiden name nor to her brief running career in the decades since the nineteen eighty Boston marathon. Jacqueline Guiraud developed empathy for the struggles that we went through and ultimately forgave her after his death Garo posted a facebook tribute calling her a great woman. 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Marathon Madness (the Rosie Ruiz Story)

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Marathon Madness (the Rosie Ruiz Story)

"Hey guys I'm Rachel and I'm retina and this is hall of shame today. I have a story about running marathon running or have you ever gotten into running before I I had to always run for sports? Yeah not to Brag but I've played sports school and even college so okay. I played college sports. Did you play? I played field hockey in college. I played volleyball. Look at us. Look US sports also partake not the longest? I've ever run seven miles. That's pretty far. Yeah and I used to so I went to Wellesley and the. It's the halfway point of the Boston marathon right. And so and so many people running around a half half of it And I do this year and then like was like how you said. I'm going to run the Boston. Marathon have to like train. Listen I was like I'm shape. I'm an athlete. The one time I went to go and watch a race. My girlfriend was running in in this race and I misunderstood the Times. They're like when I had to be where and I made her a sign and I stay up late like putting fucking pom pom on like slept in. I was like I'll just like cruise. Grab a coffee. And then she sends me a picture of the Finnish soaked in sweat. And she's like where are you? Oh my God. I didn't see you on the way and I was like on the couch sitting with the pom Pom Board. Sounds good about running. We get it. We understand we're both like people froze okay now for the story so you mentioned the Boston Marathon which is perfect. Because today's story the Boston Marathon. It's a really big deal in running. Yeah okay it's like one of the big Kunas actually the world's oldest annual marathon in one of the world's best known running events It is one of six world marathon majors world so this is a big one. Yeah so it's April Twenty. First nineteen eighty. Let me set the scene for you. Everyone Balkenende for the Boston Marathon. This area if you've ever been to a marathon both skate out but you know the energies electric's while there are people with signs cheering on their friends. Not Me Atmosphere Ackerman. But Rachel some of these people have trained years their entire lives for Boston. Marathon people are crying like it's an emotional thing. So I want you to envision the finish line maybe even playing that song in your head. That didn't yeah. Am I picturing everything in slow motion? You're picturing everything and slow motion and just a bunch of dudes that just like a bunch of dudes running in slow crossing that finish. Line that all of a sudden this woman comes barreling through out of nowhere and emerges as the first woman to finish the Boston marathon that year. She's just book in. It crosses the finish line and she was dramatic about it. Let me tell you. She's falling into people's arms. She looks absolutely exhausted. Carry Me Carrie. I love it but she only has like a key like a cute little sweat steam. That's like how I'm going to describe it. Because he was very petite for someone just ran of Buckingham Earth. Adorable like tiny like a jazzercise she. She was dying. She was sweat stain. Did Not Match. It just was. She was like old show. Yeah but she was the third fastest female to ever finish the Boston marathon with a time of two thirty one. That's under a six minute mile. That's crazy which I if my like one time. I ran a mile like around six minutes and I was like. I'm a hero dots. Insane you gotta run one mile time. Maybe I've been around eight. I mean girl. That's still impressive. That's insane time is insane people immediately. We're like who those manage her name is Rosie Ruiz. So Kathy Switzer. She was the first woman to officially compete in the Boston Marathon. You you are probably familiar with this photo of her running. And all these men are trying to start a very famous photo. So Cathy was doing commentary that day on camera and had an interview with rosy right after and she was like pretty perplexities cab. You'd never even heard of Rosie before. I knew her stuff so she was like who are you. Where did you come from? And how did you get such an incredible time? Do attribute it to great coaches running intervals and we actually have an audio clip from that moment. Rosie what kind of. What kind of training have you been doing you? Sixty five to seventy miles a week. Have you been doing a lot of heavy intervals? Someone else has been. I'm not sure what intervals on. What are they so our girl has no idea. Intervals are was. You would think a runner at this point. You're running in a marathon like we have established. We're not runners. We both know. I know. I don't WanNa do so the media. They got the call and there was some talk about her body. Not FITTING THE STEREOTYPE FOR RUNNER. Which is gross share? She was like a little bit thicker. If you will at it didn't it didn't look like what an average merit compared to all the other women who were behind her. It just didn't really match and again the Sweat Show. I read an ESPN DOT. Back in nineteen eighty. They didn't give a fuck about timeout body so brutal. Yeah exactly so I read an article on. Espn that said Ruis ran across the line with an unfit body in perspiration lists skin terribly written sentence. It's easy like I'm done by body and I can. Let's get which can be nice glowing even a little okay. So a reporter asked why she wasn't that tired afterwards besides the dramatic like yeah but then she got up. Doing all these interviews was like. Hey I won so rosy said she just like got up with a ton of energy that day. She's like what's going on is amazing. I'm bill saw merit. Yeah I can run another one so all. These red flags are going up. People are starting to ask questions. Who is Rosie Ruiz? What is going on? So let's let's see if I can give you a little background who this woman was before we go any further so born in Havana Cuba in nineteen fifty. Three and this was right when the Cuban Revolution was happening. So Fidel Castro's taking over. He's going up against. The dictator of Cuba lasted five years. Things aren't great. Things are are dicey so rosy told reporters later on in life that her parents were afraid of the political situation so they sent her and her brother to Florida to live with her aunts and uncles and cousins. Gotcha when they fled. It was right around the time. Us was breaking ties with Cuba. So it's like I can send my kids but I cannot go so they separated from their parents at a super young age so she immigrated to Memphis Florida when she was eight years old with her brother. She was separated from her mother in the process and had to live with her aunts uncles cousins which is rough. I can't imagine so you went to school in Florida. So she starts like trying to live a normal life against going back to normal and then she went to college in Nebraska. She graduated with a degree in music. In nineteen seventy seven. I'm not reading anything running. Okay and all the things. No no no no no so again. A lot of it is like word of mouth like when she's like being interviewed by reporters later on in life. She kind of able to tell her story the way that she wants to hear some things that she let reporters now she had been around her. In highschool she underwent two successful brain surgeries in Florida in the seventies to remove a benign tumor and to insert a plate into her skull. Just like casual. Oh by the way. Did you know so? Then she moved to New York City in the late seventies and in nineteen seventy nine. She qualified for the New York City Marathon. Which as far as I'm concerned is the first race our girl has ever took. How did she qualify? Considering she had never run a race war. Well let me tell you. Apparently her application for the New York City. Marathon arrived after the cutoff date for the race. She was she was late but she receives special treatment from the New York roadrunners which is like a non-profit start marathons 'cause she told everyone she was dying of brain cancer. She's had tumors. She's got a metal plate in her skull and now she's dying of brain cancer. I think this is an unreliable narrator. Can she did the New York City Marathon in October of nineteen seventy nine and finished with a time of two fifty six so she finished twenty third amongst women so the qualification time for Boston is three hours and thirty minutes so she was in? She's in this girl was golden. It's like Oh yeah so flash FORWARD TO HER WIN IN BOSTON. Everyone starting to get pretty suspicious of how this woman came out of nowhere in the running world little like we are right now Six months later she improves her time by twenty five minutes places. I in the Boston marathon crazy. Which is you know. I'm not a runner but I I did. Some research shares walking insane people maybe shave like a couple of minutes off within six right but you're not shaving off twenty five minutes. That's almost a half hour which is insane so keep going so within hours of her crossing the Finish Line in Boston. They were already looking into it. This is a little too shady. They looked through the footage. They looked through photos but there were but there was never any confirmation that she'd hit any of the checkpoints people like we don't see her so rosy claims it was because of her short hair. People thought that she was a boy. There was somebody that saw rosie that day okay. It was a pair of Harvard students who said they saw her jumping out of the crowd about a mile from the finish. Because you guys don't do it by Harvard. People have big brains smart. You'll remember so well. All this shit is going down right. Everyone's like we caught her red handed. She was cheating the New York City. Marathon is like willow same rosie that came in twenty third and our motherfucker so they looked into this as well And they didn't have any evidence of Rosie at any checkpoints. They looked through ten thousand photographs just taken in like the last mile. Nothing and a woman came forward. This is obviously heavily publicized on TV. On the radio people are talking about this. A woman came forward saying she had ridden the subway. She ridden the subway with Rosie during the New York City race so rosy told her this woman that she had hurt her ankle and wanted to go watch the end of the race she was wearing like a bib in stuff right. So some of like. Aren't you supposed to be raining going? I thought she does the same thing. Pops out of the subway onto the course and finishes play. Apparently she rode the subway for sixteen miles. Where you coming from where he what? Where did you start Vania? So New York City was like Yes Sir Everton fair days. Boston was like on stripping. You of your metal. She refused to give up the metal. By the way which back I a one had to be made sucks. The president came in second 'cause they even though they subsequently get a medal. They didn't get that moment thousand percents. Now they're going to be like embroiled in the controversy. And it's like an Astra's there's probably still like Rosie lifers build conspiracy theories so rosy lost her mind she well right up lost her mind afterwards. I'm not even talking about before. So she spoke to media. She cried ton. And you know what? I'll give her some credit here. She never gave up the faculty lamb. She like doubled down. Girls Consistent Aso. Listen to this possible Rosie that you even doubt now that whether you ran the race or not. No there's no doubt in my mind I know what I did and and and and I will prove it again in the future so she pulled the woman card right she said. Hopefully this will have men in the media. Start to take women racing seriously. It's bullshit I won this race. I got to enjoy for a minute before people started calling me a liar which is frustrating. Because you can't pull this card and not mean it pull the card when it's valid because it's valid a lot. Yeah but then when you when you put when it's not all of us look like Shit and all those fucking assholes fodder to see. This is why we don't believe that women are the worst devil. So Jacqueline Guerrero from Canada was the one shrew winner. She was the one that participated in the level. Jackie this is your day your moment. Oh compla- the Canadian national anthem. Maybe oh boy So the Boston Marathon. Kudos to them they actually offered. Rosie a chance to run against the next year. You know what maybe this is all just one big giant misunderstanding and our bad. If it is bad if it is we will give you the. You can run again and everything. That's wrong exactly. She was like I'm busy. Yeah she's like. I have my my cousin a birthday party thing. I don't Yeah I lost to my book club in like. I actually read the book this time. So and I believe you read the Book Rosie. Nobody believes so advertise things. Were like all right. This this is full of it. Let's just drop this and move on so things kind of dropped off. After that later in her life Ruis was actually arrested in New York for allegedly stealing sixty thousand dollars in cash checks from her employer in nineteen eighty two. This was two years after the Boston. Marathon stuff was not getting. She's done And then things are getting worse. She was sentenced to three years of probation in. Nineteen eighty-five couple years after that for cocaine trafficking. She tried to soak up. Yeah so it's like been put through the ringer having a really hard time making bad choice after choice. So things got bad. After that a couple years later she really started fall apart. So as of two thousand. She still maintains that she ran the entire nineteen hundred Boston marathon and she won however an acquaintance you notice and all of these videos. You're watching all of these interviews. That she's doing. There's there's one guy standing behind her and it's the same guy every single time and his name. Is Steve Merrick okay? He believed her. He's like you know what Rosie's my friend. I'm going to back her until the end. So he came out in two thousand and said that she admitted to him a few months after the race that she had cheated recalling that she jumped out of the crowd not knowing that the first woman had gone by yet. A leave me. She was shocked as anyone when she came in first says she was intending to come in like twelve. Or here's here's what some people think happened. She just wanted to participate in the New York City Marathon about. She just wanted that ribbon. She said she wanted to say I did this. Sure and she came in like twenty third right and she got that cutoff. Time because of her qualification time then she qualified for the Boston Marathon. She didn't do the math to like. Make sure that this. Just just take a peek down the lanes if there's any women so she did the exact same thing in Boston she's like. Oh now I get to run in another marathon do this. I'll do the same thing. Then she'd like accidents came in first place and then she's got to put up with this massive lie because the tea is faster maybe than the New York. Subway didn't account for that or I don't know but so F- Rosie died this past year on July Twenty nineteen in Florida. She actually like had changed her name and everything and she kinda wanted probably get away for oh absolutely. She moved back to Florida. He's like I'm getting away from the stuff. So in her obituary I read an obviously no mention of any of this dramas She read she would always want you to remember to celebrate life because tomorrow is never promised. So let's break this down real quick. Rosie had some intense trauma in her life when she was like eight years old probably younger than that just because Cuba was like a mess and then we have no idea what her history with mental illness is like if she has one ray. What's going on there? And what we do know is that she's a little bit of an unreliable narrator so some of the stories we're you know we're going to have question marks decide them because we don't know what's true and what's right but what. I think I know. Is that everything kind of keeps on pointing back to her when she was young and just like wanting to fit in and wanting to be a part of some probably just like wanting to be normal life in Florida. And that's where I kind start to feel for her totally and you're just like it's like you get it like she wouldn't be part of something bigger and whatever from her childhood she brought to that but she like went about it obviously in like. She made some of the best bad choices. But yeah you gotTa have empathy so a quick rerun This woman ran marathon in New York in quotes because she took the subway then qualified for another Maratha met. She also didn't run in but came in first and then when it was very clearly she didn't even know what an interval was. It was very clear. This woman did not run perpetuated that lie for the rest of her life. Yeah there's something that's the theme here. That's our girl rosy wreath so we'll be back next week with. I'm sure and he's in a hall of shame is a product of crooked media. This show is produced by Carolina. Reston Ellison Paul's that are executive producers. Are Sarah Geisler. And Steven Hoffman Engineering and sound design by Charlotte. Landis thank you to our video and digital team Matt degroot cone and to city rap Brian for production sport every.

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S7: April Fooled: Rosie Ruiz Pt. 2

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S7: April Fooled: Rosie Ruiz Pt. 2

"November nineteen eighty-three to inconspicuous women sat waiting in the lobby of the Miami Airport Marriott. Despite their innocuous appearance the two women weren't there to enjoy a vacation in south beach. They were there to complete a drug deal. The two women had fifty two thousand dollars worth of cocaine stuffed into their handbags and access to far more along with a third accomplice Rosie Ruis. They formed a small-scale all women cocaine operation and they were about to complete one of the biggest sales of their brief drug dealing career. The buyer arrived at the hotel greeted the two women and invited them up to his room. So they could speak more discreetly. Once in private the women showed the buyer. The drugs in negotiations began. The buyer was happy with what they had but wanted more a lot more. He wanted to buy two kilograms of cocaine which had a street value of nearly half a million dollars. The women eagerly agreed they could easily get two kilograms worth they seal the deal with a handshake once. An agreement was in place the buyer offered them. He's sympathetic smile before informing the women that they were under arrest. He was an undercover cop. Entire drug deal was a set-up seventy miles away ruis sat by the phone impatient. It had been too long since her friends made contact. Something must have gone wrong. Just as Ruis was beginning to panic. She received a call from one of her accomplices. They'd been arrested and the cops were coming for a we's two. She had moved back to Florida to get her life back together but it was all suddenly at risk of falling apart yet again. Released didn't know whether to turn herself into the police. Wait it out or flee. Only one thing was for sure. Ruis was a long way away from the Boston. Marathon victory podium. Welcome to sports criminals. Apar- cast original every week. We dive into the dark side of sports history and look at athletes who not only broke the law but broke the rules and covenants of their sport will also uncover how their actions impacted the history of the sport they played. I'm Tim Johnson. And I'm Roy. You can find episodes of sports criminals and all other podcast originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream. Sports criminals for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type sports criminals in the search bar podcast. We're grateful for you our listeners. You allow us to do it we love. Let us know how. We're doing retail on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. This is our second episode on Rosie Ruiz. Who came out of nowhere to win the Nineteen Eighty Boston Marathon? Only for it to be revealed that she won the race by cheating last week. We explored Ruiz's beginnings and how few white lies allowed her to win the Boston Marathon. This week will cover the fallout of the cheating scandal and how? Ruiz struggled to get her life together afterward on Monday. April Twenty First Nineteen Eighty Twenty six-year-old administrative assistant. Rosier wees won the Boston Marathon. One of the oldest and most prestigious running competitions in the world. Not only did she plays I. She said a new American marathon record for women in the process in only her second ever marathon run ruis beat out established runners impasse champions to win the race. Other runners and reporters were shocked as they watched res take her place on the winner stage and receive a gold medal. But the truth was that Rosie. Ruiz hadn't run the race at all. She cheated a shortcut and lied on her way to victory. Her story hadn't been quite convincing enough. It wasn't long before everyone around. Her became skeptical of her accomplishment. The male winner Bill Rodgers could tell instantly that Rosie Ruiz hadn't run the race and told the race director suspicions reporter and former marathon runner Katherine Switzer felt the same way especially after interviewing her. We's and discovering that the supposed winner had nearly no knowledge of running technique in response to the accusation. The Boston Athletic Association began investigation into Ruiz. Piling on the New York marathon launched their own inquiry into releases. Twenty Third Place. Finish five months earlier on. Wednesday April twenty third two days after the marathon. The suspicion erupted into a full blown scandal to Harvard. Students revealed that they saw ruis jump into the race in its last mile. The day after newspapers published the Harvard Students I witness account public opinion quickly turned on release. Reputation was in free fall later that same day. Another eyewitness came forward. Susan Moro manhattan-based clothing designer who had ridden the subway with rosier ways to the finish line of the New York Marathon. More conclusively identified Ruis as the woman she'd seen on the subway even her closest ally local running club president. Steve remarked to reporters that he wasn't sure if Ruis had fully run either. The New York or Boston Marathons damagingly. Merrick also added that if it was proven. That breeze didn't run the New York race than there was no way she ran the one in Boston. Rosie Ruiz was running out of allies yet. Despite his own public doubts still agreed to help release because no one else would. The two of them held another press conference on April. Twenty fourth to address the new allegations ruis angrily faced down a crowd of skeptical reporters and once again denied the cheated. She declared that she would ultimately be proven. Innocent and at the skepticism was only based around the fact that she was an unknown if no one remembered her racing alongside them it was simply because they didn't recognize her going further. Ruiz took the opportunity to blast the unfair treatment that she and other women runners faced in terms of race organization and press coverage. She also argued that whether proven guilty or not. The controversy around her marathon win might have the effect of increasing coverage of female runners. In general as the reporter's questions in volume tears ran down. Ruiz's face Steve Merrick placed his hand on her shoulder as she grip the podium shakily and lamented the fact that she was only able to enjoy her own marathon victory for a moment before the controversy began ruis is emotional breakdown was met with further skepticism from reporters and derision from other runners who had little sympathy for cheater even as she passionately defended herself things. Were getting worse for Ruis. Although the investigation was still not yet complete the New York marathon race organizer Fred. Lebeau told reporters that he was convinced that Rosie Ruiz had not run either marathon. A decision on her disqualification was imminent. The Boston Athletic Association announced that a decision on Ruiz's victory would be handed down by the end of the week. All signs pointed to the victory being voided. Jacqueline Gero famed Canadian runner and second-place Finisher in the Boston. Marathon flew back down from Canada to Massachusetts on Thursday. She expected to be retroactively crowned. The marathon winner on Friday and was scheduled celebrate Tori interview on local TV that night race director will colonie had a decision to make. Investigation was entirely in his hands while he felt as though he had enough evidence to convincingly. Say That we're we didn't run the race. It wasn't quite as conclusive as he would've liked drawing from his past career as a military lawyer. Clooney didn't feel comfortable with a case. That wasn't a slam dunk so he decided to hold off on presenting the evidence to the Board of Governors of the Boston Athletic Association until he had a report from the official race photographers who were pouring over. Tens of thousands of race photographs. If by some bizarre circumstance released actually had run the race. The report from the photographers might finally offer some evidence of that. If she hadn't their report would be the final nail in the coffin against her late on Thursday night New York Marathon race director. Fred Lebeau called Colonie and offered to take him off the hook by first disqualifying release from the New York. Grace being disqualified from New York would retroactively maker. We's ineligible to run in Boston. Thus taking away the victory without cloning needing to prove that she had cheated cloney refused the New York directors offer. He wanted to have conclusive proof and make a strong decision for the good of the race and the sport early Friday morning. Clooney announced that no decision would come until Monday. A frustrated and angry Jacqueline Garo once again flew back to Canada to replace her in the studio the local. Tv Channel invited Rosie. Louise once again released Garros rightful place in the spotlight. A hopeful Rosie. Ruiz travel back to Boston on Friday morning. With Steve Merrick. Still at her side Clooney's announcement had given her a sense of optimism. She hadn't felt since winning the race itself. It was possible that she'd be exonerated and her victory could stand in front of the Bright Studio Lights and TV cameras. Ruis once again pleaded her case she casually offered to take a lie detector test though she also hedged her beds by saying polygraph wouldn't prove anything concrete one of the TV hosts asked Ruiz's directly if she truly thought she actually ran the race. Or if she had any doubts Ruiz's confidently answered that she had no doubts. She didn't announced that she would prove her own running ability by participating in a ten K. In New York City three months later in July organized by Steve Merrick on Friday night news came in from New York City. The director of the New York Marathon announced that thorough examination of the video evidence concluded that Ruis had not run the marathon. Victory was therefore officially voided while the voided finish in New York technically disqualified Ruiz from the Boston Marathon. The Boston Athletic Association made no official announcement. Either way on Friday night. This was an unprecedented situation. And there were no strict disqualification rules between the New York and Boston marathons. Steve merrick returned to New York leaving release alone in Boston. She stayed alone in her hotel room through the weekend. Anxiously awaiting a ruling from the Boston Athletic Association on Sunday. Will Colonie received his report from the official race photographers. They had examined over ten thousand photographs taken at a checkpoint a mile before the finish line and discovered no evidence that Ruis ever passed it. It was the nail in the coffin. He needed on Monday morning. Ruis received a phone call from. Clooney wanted to meet her a second time. This time he came bearing news. It was time for Rosie Ruis to face the music when we come back the investigations of Rosier. Louise calm to a close now. Back to the story. It had only been one week since twenty six year. Old Rosie Ruis had shocked the world by winning the Boston Marathon but those seven days had felt like a lifetime to release who faced immediate scrutiny from reporters fans and other runners who believed correctly that Ruis had cheated on the evening of April Twenty Eighth Nineteen Eighty. Ruis met with Boston Marathon. Race director will clooney at her hotel. Clooney told her we's that he was ready to bring evidence to the Board of Governors for vote on her victory. He didn't mince words. They would likely vote to disqualify her and named Jaclyn. Garo the winner. Ruiz reportedly sobbed clooney. Felt sorry for her and tried to be comforting as he delivered the bad news despite all the facts against her. Ruiz still wouldn't admit she cheated. He gave her one last chance to provide any evidence that support her story. She gave clone the information of one other. Male runner whom she said could vouch for her. Clooney knew who the male runner was. He was the overall tenth place finisher finishing the race one hundred thirty places earlier than Ruiz. He wouldn't have been physically near her at any point during the marathon as kindly as he could only told her. We's that this final defense wouldn't help her. She was heartbroken. Realized there was no way she could stop the inevitable. On Wednesday April thirtieth will clooney held a press conference in downtown Boston. He announced that the Board of governors had voted unanimously to strip rosie. Ruiz of her Boston Marathon win. He stated that the evidence showed beyond a reasonable doubt. That Ruis did not run the entire race. Seated to Kony's right was a jet-lagged Jacqueline Gero. Who had yet again made the trip to Boston this time. She was finally given what she earned nine days before the title of Boston. Marathon Champion cloney placed the Laurel Wreath on Garros. Head has members of the press clapped. Garros smiled and gave a half-hearted fist pump to celebrate her late victory back in New York Rosie. Ruiz delivered downtrodden statement to reporters once again weekly claiming that she'd been wrongly disqualified and that one day she would prove it with the investigation over and the scandal winding down will clooney traveled to New York to meet with res a third and final time. At her apartment she continued arguing that she'd run the race but clooney stopped her. She'd already been disqualified. There was no more need for release to defend herself. He was there to simply offer an olive branch. He invited her to run the Boston. Marathon again. In nineteen eighty-one maybe in a year. She could prove that she really was the elite runners she claimed to be Coney. Did ask for one thing. He wanted Ruiz's metal back to awarded to the winner. A devastated Ruis refused. She repeated that she'd run the race and earn that medal. Clooney was shocked. Despite all that had been revealed Ruiz truly believed it was rightfully hers. Not wanting to force more conflict. Colonie let her keep it. Ruis returned to work later that week hoping that the controversy was over and she could move on with their life instead. Her boss called her into his office. He felt betrayed. It supported res paid for her trip to Boston and even defended her to the press now. She proven herself a liar or those reasons. Ruis was fired in less than two weeks of misfortune. Rosie ries had lost everything. Her Marathon win her job and reputation wherever she went in New York City. She was reminded of her own failures almost instantly joke t shirts for the Rosie. Ruiz Fan club decorated with subway. Tokens became popular in New York and Boston. Her name became synonymous with cheating to pull a rosy ruis entered the cultural lexicon. Ruiz tried to ignore it as best she could and pull her life back together. She got a job as a bookkeeper at Richard Stevens. Inc a Manhattan based real estate firm and stayed out of the public eye in the winter of nineteen eighty eight months after her disqualification. Steve Merrick visited release to catch up and checking on her. Their conversation drifted to the events of the Boston. Marathon merrick remarked flat out that for we's clearly didn't run the much to his surprise. She didn't defend herself instead. She simply replied that. She didn't need to tell Merrick the truth because he already knew. According to Merrick. Ruis told him that she never intended to win the marathon. She'd only wanted to finish with a good enough time to impress her boss. And Co workers back in New York. She simply failed to notice that the first woman hadn't crossed the finish line yet and jumped into the race too early a year later the nineteen eighty one Boston. Marathon was held without incident and Rosie. Ruiz was nowhere to be seen. She didn't take Wilk Loney up on his offer to run again. In fact Ruis never again competed in an organized race. Her career as a long distance runner was behind her her career as a liar however was far from over as released. Got Her life back on track. She still felt the inexorable poll towards ethically problematic behavior some reporters viewed reasons behavior as sociopathic. She didn't follow the rules because she didn't really see them through. Some combination of intelligence charisma and ambition. Res Always felt like she could get away with anything. Her new job offer new opportunities to take advantage of Rosie releases responsibilities as a bookkeeper for a real estate firm included personally dealing with the company's finances cashing checks and depositing funds tens of thousands of dollars pass through her hands every week. It wasn't long before she started skimming off the top. At first she took small amounts from the cash. She was given to deposit at the bank. Eventually she stopped bothering to go to the bank. Keeping everything for herself Ruiz's crimes escalated. It wasn't enough to steal cash from the company she started forging checks to supplement. Her own salary or bosses at the firm didn't seem to notice that any money was missing. Sir We's continued stealing more and more. It was as if she didn't see it as a crime like the Boston Marathon. It appeared that she saw it as taking a little shortcut to get what she deserved and like the marathon. She could have gotten away with him if she hadn't gone a little too far with our added income or we lived luxuriously. She rented an expensive apartment. In Greenwich Village in Manhattan. Two cabs to work instead of the subway and went skiing every weekend. She took as many sick days as possible. Some weeks barely showing up to the office. Her coworkers were astonished by her lifestyle. They couldn't figure out how she managed it on her meagre salary eventually. Her bosses wondered the same thing. They took a closer look at the worksheet. Done over the past couple of months and were shocked to discover the truth. They realized that Ruiz had stolen more than fifteen thousand dollars in cash and forged over forty five thousand dollars worth of checks on April fifth. One thousand nine hundred eighty two. They alerted the police who opened a criminal investigation into Ruis two weeks later on April nineteenth two plainclothes detectives knocked on Rosie releases apartment door when she answered the door. Detectives Copter informed her that she was being arrested for. Grand Larceny and forgery. Release put on a pair of large sunglasses as she was taken to the police precinct to be booked and charged as the detectives walked her to the precinct. Doors reporters pushed microphones toward her shouted questions or we kept her head down and said nothing. Her assets were seized. Her bank accounts frozen without any money to bail herself out. Ruiz sat in jail for a week while she awaited a resolution to her case. The evidence supplied by her bosses. At the real estate firm was undeniable. Ruis had no choice but to accept a plea deal. She pleaded guilty to the charges and received a sentence of time served plus five years probation after receiving her sentence. Ruiz's came to the realization that she couldn't start over yet again in New York City. She had burned too many bridges and couldn't take the media attention that's still surrounded her so she made two major life decisions in one thousand nine hundred eighty three i. She would never talk about the Boston marathon ever again second. She decided to return home to Miami Florida and live with her family. She moved down. South got her real estate agents license and always looking for a quick way to make an extra buck began selling cocaine or we got to know two other women who were also looking to earn some extra income together. The women formed a small-scale cocaine dealing Operation Ruis acted as middleman in broker. Taking the cocaine from the supplier. While partners sold it to street level dealers in November of nineteen eighty three to four weeks as partners went to meet a buyer in the Marriott Hotel near the Miami International Airport. The plan was to sell about fifty two thousand dollars worth of cocaine. Ruiz's partners met the buyer at the airport and began negotiating. The buyer wanted more than just fifty two thousand dollars worth. Sir wheezes partner said they could get him as much as he wanted. They offered to sell them. Two kilograms of high-grade cocaine which had a street value of nearly half a million dollars. The buyer agreed. It was going to be a massive payday for a we's and her partners except it wasn't a drug deal at all it was a drug bust. The buyer was an undercover cop. Andrews's partners were immediately arrested and the police also put out an arrest warrant for Rosie Ruis when she heard that her partners were in custody and the police were now looking for her release. Had another important decision to make surrender and face criminal prosecution or run home. She could potentially escape back to Cuba where her estranged father still lived after a week of deliberation or we decided that she was done running. She turned herself in and was charged with cocaine trafficking. A federal judge deemed a flight risk and ordered her held without bond while they're case progressed. After spending twenty three days in jail Ruis was sentenced to three years probation less than a month later in January nineteen eighty-four thirty year old Rosie. Ruiz was back in a courtroom is time to get married. Her husband boss was a Colombian immigrant. Who arrived in Miami less than a year before with cocaine dealing career over? We went out looking for another job. Ironically she was hired by the better business bureau as an accreditation specialist this time she promised herself not to take any shortcuts whenever her coworkers asked about the marathon. He's always denied that she was the same. Rosie Ruiz who cheated her way to victory. She wanted to put the mistakes of her past as far behind her as possible. There was one exception to this self imposed secrecy in February of Nineteen eighty-four release discovered that Jacqueline Gero was coming to Miami to run a ten K the Orange Bowl and release couldn't help herself. Rosie Ruiz in Jacqueline Garo had been side by side and all the media coverage of the marathon controversy but had never spoken face to face. Ruis wanted to finally meet the woman. She cheated when we come back Ruis. We's meets Jacqueline Gero now. Back to the story by early. Nineteen eighty-four thirty year old Rosie. Ruiz was on a path to redemption. She was out of jail at a new job and it just got married. She was ready to put the past behind her achieve. Wanted one last piece of closure. She wanted to meet the woman. She cheated out the Boston Marathon. Win In nineteen eighty release went to the Orange Bowl in Miami on the day of a ten K race and found Jacqueline Gero stretching by the starting line as approached with a friendly smile and introduced herself. Kenro did not return visas friendliness. Instead she bluntly asked Ruis y she cheated in Boston. It had been over three years but the wound was still fresh. Caro- wanted answers. Rees had no interest in telling the truth. She repeated what she'd always said. She didn't cheat she ran the whole race. She'd won legitimately and she planned to run it again. I was surprised and insulted by releases continued dishonesty and lack of remorse so she abruptly ended. The conversation shook her head and walked away like Jacqueline Gero. The sport of long distance running couldn't so easily move past the story of Rosie Ruis. The release scandal was in the words of one runner. The end of the Sports Age of innocence the beloved public aspect of marathons the fact that a world famous athlete. Jacqueline Gero ran on the same. Course at the same time as an amateur like Rosie vs was now considered a flaw in the system in the years after Rosie releases win in New York and Boston Marathons added significant new security measures more checkpoints more cameras and more scrutiny. On each every runner some marathons split runners into two separate races. One with elite competitive runners and won with amateurs eventually races also began inserting tracking chips in the runner shoes. To make sure that no one could ever again all a rosy ruis there were also however positive consequences of actions as she predicted the nonstop news coverage of the controversy made many people pay attention to women's running for the first time releases tainted victory may have been a loss of innocence for the sport but it also put it on the cultural map in a way that little else could female participation in the Boston marathon nearly doubled in the two years after his win in nineteen eighty four for the Summer Games in Los Angeles. The Olympics added a women's marathon event for the first time in its history. Jacqueline Garo competed for Canada but didn't finish due to an injury in the midst of all this change that she helped create rosie. Ruiz stayed quiet in Florida. Happy to remain out of the spotlight or leases life however remained turbulent Ruiz's relationship with her husband Echo Vivas was rocky. The two of them fought constantly as later blamed their marital problems solely on political differences CI was liberal and he was conservative though. There were likely other issues at play. Their marriage disintegrated over the course of the next two years. In August of one thousand nine hundred five they separated and rees moved to West Palm Beach to live with their mother. Teresa's tendency to get into trouble followed her to her new home getting her into conflict with multiple landlords three of whom sued to evict her for breaking her lease. She bounced through a series of jobs working as a public notary and later. Starting your own cleaning service with two other women. Business only lasted a couple of years. But release of course managed to take full advantage of every perk. She could she even managed to live rent free at a palm beach cottage in exchange or cleaning services in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight thirty five year old. Rosie Ruis got a job at the laboratory corporation of America as a client representative there. She met a woman named Margarita. Alvarez by the early nineteen nineties the two of them became romantically involved in nineteen ninety-three forty year old ruis moved into Elvis's house into quest to Florida by the mid Nineties Rosie. Ruiz found some stability in her life. In lab core and INTO CUESTA. She finally managed to stay in one place after a lifetime of constant turbulence. She raised three sons with Margarita and beyond a handful of traffic violations remained. Mostly out of trouble. We kept her Boston Marathon medal in storage because looking at it made her melancholic still every year. In mid April. She watched the race route. The two decades following the Nineteen Eighty Boston marathon countless journalists attempted to find Ruis but none were successful in getting an interview. She kept her married name even after her divorce from it grow vivas making it easier for her to stay hidden in nineteen ninety eight a reporter from the Palm Beach Post finally managed to track her down by talking to co workers at Labcorp when Ruis heard about the reporter she finally broke her silence including telling her co workers that she was indeed the famous Rosie Ruiz even with her secret out ruis remained careful about how she interacted with reporter. She refused to meet them in person and only confirmed her identity by dropping off a reason photo at a public location or the reporter to pick up later when the reporter finally made contact over the phone rees was ready to tell her side of the story. After eighteen years as it turned out her story hadn't changed. She still claimed that she'd run the whole race and deserve the medal or we blame the entire controversy on politics. She said the race organizers and fans wanted the favorites like Jacqueline Gero to win disqualified her because they embarrassed that an amateur beat them. She also claimed that her later legal issues were the result of misunderstandings and bad luck. According to Ruis her cocaine dealing arrest was the result of being in the wrong place at the wrong time in a type statement there were we sent to the reporter after the interview or we promised that she would run again this time. She vowed there would be no mistake about her abilities. After the interview in Nineteen Ninety Eight Rosie. Ruiz successfully slipped back into anonymity. She refused to talk to anyone else about her past. She never did run again. Rosie died on July eighth. Two Thousand Nineteen after ten year battle with cancer or death was only reported on after journalists recognized. Her photo in a digital obituary published quietly on the Internet. The obituary made no reference to her maiden name nor to her brief running career in the decades since the nineteen eighty Boston marathon. Jacqueline Guiraud developed empathy for the struggles that we went through and ultimately forgave her after his death Garo posted a facebook tribute calling her a great woman. Who made some mistakes? She thinks that the entire saga of Rosie. Ruiz makes good lesson. That cheating will never give you satisfaction and that it's also simply thanks again for listening to sports criminals. We'll be back next week with a new episode. You can find all episodes of sports criminals and all other park has two originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all your favorite music but now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like sports criminals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream. Sports criminals on spotify. 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239. Friday's are for Winners and Winners Work on Weekends

The Working Experience

18:30 min | 1 year ago

239. Friday's are for Winners and Winners Work on Weekends

"Greetings Ladies and gentlemen you have made it to the end of the work week the hallowed ground of Friday night and another mini episode of the Work Experience Experience. It's Friday. Mo- foes enjoy the working experience. Whatever ninety three north is almost at a standstill dinsdale yet so rough out there the sporting snow and sleep difference no service on and clear of the closing doors. Please be few. Manchurian traffic should make make sure only down either reporting. Sat Army on that presentation Ernie shore wants to return that meeting. Ted they late Bar and work makes the Dream Work and after the meeting. We'll have a breakout session. Where am I hot microwave. If on that everybody welcome to another episode of the Working Experience fogcast. It's Matty Kay and John and it is Friday Mo- photos. Have I got a weekend planned and have I got a weekend plan. I'm I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear what your weekend plans are. probably probably some lawn mowing and then. I guess Netflix so that's well packing it in there in the excitement. Dighton for me the I think I I've I don't know if I discussed this on the podcast but I have someone doing my lawn and I've got this nasty nasty fungus on the lawn who in a weed that's growing and my long guy is blaming. My other guy cuts. My Lawn is blaming blaming the guy who like fertilize the lawn and vice versa so I think I'm GONNA fire everybody and go out and get a lawn mower and God forbid. I'm not going to cut the lawn but I'm GonNa make the boys cut the lawn. That's good that's character building. Did did your father make you do yard yard work. No no he didn't primarily because I was working I had like a paper route and then I was a caddy aw by the time I was in sixth grade like I- chores and stuff but long the lawn wasn't wasn't one of them. We have to rake leaves. Raking leaves is yes. We had to rake leaves but I never had to cut the cut. The lawn raking leaves is one of the most futile tasks ever. It's brutal although it's off. I'd rather shut us more. No because what what happens when you rake leaves you rake and then the wind kicks up and just blows more leaves on the lawn. I want yeah or your weight so unsatisfied factory. No it is there's nothing like mowing the lawn. It looks good. Cutting back hedges things like that. You know building something painting thing. I mean doing the leaves having to put him in the bags. Put them in front of the House. It's like wow that was an hour. Well spent yeah. That's that's not fun while I hope dear listeners. You have something more exciting plan. Maybe you're hitting the club. Maybe a rave. Maybe a bar our restaurant something last weekend. I did run a half marathon. That's quite impressive. Did you finish it. I did two hours twenty minutes. What's and what was. What was the winning time for the men St Now? I don't really WanNa know quite frankly. I'm surprised that as soon as you cross the finish line you didn't say that it was a rigged and you wanted to speak to the race director immediately while I have been posting on facebook. It was rigged I was I was thinking win. I was standing in the registration lines. Predicting a win would when you came through in two twenty should have just turned I did I did I win. I did they come in. I you know it is kind of disheartening. is you run out and then you run back back. I'm not a fan of running back. I'd rather do a lap. You know what I mean. I run races like that like so you can see the leaders on the other side. Isn't it yeah and laughing at you throwing water in your face yeah. I'm going like you know not very fast and I'm at like mile six hundred. We see people sprinting back the other way. I'm like Jesus Christ like it's so demoralizing I was thinking of pulling your member Rosie Ries yes yes. She jumped in like two miles before the finish line. Yes I think it was a miracle marathon. Yeah yeah pull pull the old car car pulls up and drops you off and you'll run a half marathon and twenty three minutes. Yeah well well she. She was actually honored at the White House. I mean she was with Ronald Reagan. She got the thing put on her head. I was gonNA pull Rosie Ruiz. Yes when you do is like you run Outta Mile. Your buddy picks you up and then what what what's key for this is. He's got a job you off. Just close enough to the finish line where you get out of the car. He dumps a bucket of water on just two plate and all the race director they all see this and then you and then you come in and you just fall over the finish line a total triumph. I see see I visioned myself breaking tape at a photo finish you know with all the details lound around me and they're collapsing into someone's arms uh-huh you know it didn't quite work out that way but I haven't run a race in quite some time used to be quite the runner though I don't refer to these races for me they are runs like I started out pretty slowly. Everybody else's passing me and there are only four hundred people doing it and I thought all right. I don't want to commit last. GotTa suck coming in four. That would suck yeah so that didn't happen. I was a little behind. I mean may pack well. The problem I have is I'll go into a race and I'll train very little for it but I'll still run it like I was in college so I'll go allowed with the leaders and then slowly die yet. You know what it is. It's like mile. Ten is when the agony sets and it's just like Oh. My God is three more miles like she's it becomes it's a it's a brutal race and then p people go thirteen more miles in a full marathon. I'm like God I mean. Thirteen miles is quite an accomplishment. That's no joke. Mo- most people can't can't run over ten miles yeah well. I wouldn't classify all of it as running so it was a bit of walking and whatnot but power walking brisk walk walk yeah. There are some hills to deal with that. That's always the worst mild nine. There's a hill you're like oh my God and for the record anybody who's known me since I was eighteen. I have done pretty much nothing athletic. This started like five years ago. So this is all kind of new to me you got my uncle used to run like two marathons a year. He used to do the Boston and the New York at any ran just a lot he was always very good athlete off and my cousin was telling us the story how they dropped them off at the beginning of the Boston marathon which starts in Hopkinton Massachusetts and he would use the occasion to get rid of an old suit so he would get out of the car and a shirt tie the coat and everything and then he would take it all off and throw it in the garbage before he started running and my cousin was that was his warmup suit. Yeah that is awesome. My cousin and his wife were like you couldn't imagine the Luxy was people as he gets out starts uh-huh like Superman into chuck's everything into the garbage off. He goes so so that was like that last weekends so this weekend. GonNa take a little easy. GonNa take. I can't burn the candle at both ends like I used to know. I think some couch time is due for Medicare. We'll probably for the next four weekends. Some couch you gotta rest up going to rest up the bones and a few days off work just sort of say I can't do it. What do you want from me what you should have done is you should've went into school on Monday in crutches and the NBA like Matt. Did you break anything. No I didn't but this is just cross eyed cautionary I could've I could've could've so summer's over officially ended September twenty seconds so I I don't know the the weekends now. They have to morph into something miles. It's no more beach and sun and it's now it's fall. It's it's it's time to go to an apple orchard and pay fifty bucks for five dollars worth of apples. I've never done the apple picker. Oh it's. It's a fun fun fun too. I mean literally. We went this two weekends ago. This past weekend can't remember and it was is the money would joke around. It was sixty dollars for the four of us to go in and we came out with. Maybe maybe maybe eight dollars worth of apples. Maybe but you have the pleasure of picking them yourself. Yeah pleasure picking. M.'s getting stung by a bee. The boys were thrown apples at each other and they hit me with an apple. Oh ton of fun yeah you could say well. I could go to the grocery store. Just get a bag of apples but what fun is that that's not. There's no. There's no fund that no no fun and that you gotTa go out and pick those apples. I've never done the apple picking. Have you done the going out and chopping down your own Christmas tree I have I've done the Pumpkin thing I've done everything you're like the Clark griswold yeah exactly I make any anything that smacks of family fun here all of the the family family cutting down the Christmas tree is highly overrated. Yeah I would guess what you walk into. Someone's farm and cut it down or some yeah yeah and usually the good ones are all gone so you're hiking into like the the far reaches of the farm and then you cut it down and and then you have to flag down the guy who puts the ticket on it and throws it on the backhoe the truck to bring it back so I had to drag eggs tree like a football field. It was just and the kids. The boys were young and they're like dad yeah. That's good. I'm like halfway cut in down the data see another one. I'm like no we committed to this tree. This is our tree. Don't you love it when the family family outing all kinds of goes wrong. Oh I love I love it when it goes south. It's like we're all going to be fun. Nice Day everyone's off from work and then the fighting punches and sue I saw one time coming back from the beach. I guess is that not Coney Island. They've face painting and everything he's this family of. Four is walking back on the boardwalk. They have to kind of kids are probably like five live and sex both have their faces painted. They're both crying the father and they're just him and the mother just stopping along on no one's talking to each other like oh pretty well but avocado. They're yours. Funny is when people like last time I was not last time time before I was in New York. I went down to coney island just poke around and I thought Oh grab a hotdog mom here now. Nathan's hotdogs you. You know the famous hot dogs. They're really nothing special. There probably even not as good as like an average. I agree. They're they're not it's the whole ambiance in getting the Nathan's hot dog in Coney Island the line now. This was kind of in the offseason. This is probably like April. I mean there's as warm out but it wasn't summer the line to get a hotdog must have been half a football field long. These people were not going to be denied getting getting a hot dog at Coney Island and I've never really been the type to to do the thing like where I have to get lobster in Maine or I have to get a hotdog August coney island or whatever but these people would not be denied they were going to have that hot dog they'd wait two hours are going to get that hot dog and I love it more more power to more power to them and their kid was gonna take it and take a bite of it and go to hotdog why yeah everyone assumes that life is going to roll out like a TV commercial or TV show or film but the the the reality of it is just the opposite well. I think people for like Thanksgiving Christmas specially like they set these expectations in their heads of the Norman Rockwell by the fire the tree like everything's perfect and you know and it's just like oh I got Christmas stories and Thanksgiving thanksgiving stories to fill up podcast. I mean we we took Jeannie and I always get into a fight we host and and this past his prime example this past Christmas we're going to we're having a lobster and steak filet mignon right so I get I get everything everything's perfect. I'm cooking the filet Mignon out on the grill and I got the Grill Nice and hot and you just disappeared on one sightseer on the other and then we're gonNA put some like some sauce on it so I get the the grill super hot. I put the the flays down. There's like twelve or fifteen of them and I go to flip them and I looked out and there's no flame lane. I had run out of propane on mid cook and this is Christmas have backup tank. I don't have anything so I had to transfer them to the they still came out great but either transferred to the oven but the look on ingenious face when I'm like bringing in the half raw be she literally could have lit on fire just killed me on the spot and you're you're trying to serve them up like everything's fine. Everyone who's likes their half half rare. Yeah just just eat the seared part now. Cook up the rare little later. I remember hearing about this woman who her wedding. I duNno they've tent set up. They'd spent all this money and some typhoon comes in knocks the tense down around you know it just just really kind of ruined everything ten years later on her wedding anniversary she would spend it every year crying the they look okay. It didn't go well. Let's get over it. You know I would have divorced for somebody. I mean I'm I'd be surprised if that marriage is still going. That's a that's a tough one build up with these things in their heads and it's like look sometimes. The storm comes in what are you gonNA. Do you know what I mean. Just you know she had planned the slain down to the you know last Napkin Akin and placement of the serving spoon and and the weather wasn't cooperating half all right folks will this weekend. you know do a little artwork rake a little bit. Don't kill yourself because fall just got here. You'RE GONNA have a lot more leaves to rake up for the next month or so. Why did you insert the UH AH the don't kill yourself because it's the end of the summer. No I mean don't kill yourself raking leaves. Don't oh I thought you I thought you meant they. Do Not Kill Yourself. This yeah tried to swerve your car on. You could possibly help but I told the kid. This kid is asking if I played fantasy sports fight a fantasy football league whatever and I said now and he's like yeah. I'm not into that either. I said you know what that is is for. It's for adults so they don't take their car in Ramat on the way home from the job that they hate. That's what fantasy sports are for. It's keeping people a lot. It's saving lives. It is saving lives absolutely all right everybody. Thanks a lot for listening coming have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back with another podcast very soon. Thanks everyone and enjoy the weekend. 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Why Kids Tell Lies (and When It's Okay)

What Fresh Hell: Laughing in the Face of Motherhood

53:30 min | 11 months ago

Why Kids Tell Lies (and When It's Okay)

"We want to tell you guys about a podcast called marriage and Martinis this podcast presents real raw conversation about relationships marriage parenting with hilarious husband husband and wife Duo Adam and Danielle. They've been featured in the New York. Post the HUFFINGTON post scary. Mummy and parents magazine online for being such an authentic and vulnerable terrible podcasts. While still being really funny just. FYI This is one of those. Don't listen in front of the kids. PODCASTS says Adamant Dang get a little or a lot but if you create real and unfiltered discussion about life and want to laugh in commiserate about it all then definitely download marriage and Martinis wherever you listen two podcasts. I didn't do anything with their webs. What fresh hell laughing in the face of Motherhood School today? Can we not talk about it with Margaret. April's and Amy Wilson. Let me tell you about the difference between good surprises surprises and bad surprises podcast that solves today's parenting dilemmas. So you don't have to. You're always accusing me of things Hello everyone and welcome to this episode of what fresh hell laughing. In the face of motherhood this is Margaret and this is amy and this week. We're talking talking about why kids tell lies and when it's okay because sometimes it's okay. I liked it sometimes. It's okay of course. There are experts. They're there to tell us that when when your kid learns to lie that's a positive developmental milestone so we can talk about that. I like to go back to the touchstone. Often of developmentally look mentally appropriate. I'm making Hashtag science with my fingers because yeah it's developmentally appropriate. It's a phase. We went yesterday your day to this farm kind of we dragged our children. My kids are sixth grade fourth grade. Second grade now and it used to be like let's go to the farm arm and we'll be like off to the car and now they're like. Why would you torture as by making a farm like it's a completely different interaction like a fall festival farm? Let's sit on Hay bales okay. Yeah Hay Bales Apple picking. Hey Rides you know fall family fun which I was extremely family committed to but my kids were not really in the mood for at their ages and so we dragged them off for a forced march of fall fund. But one of the things they had is. It's like this little happy horses that ball with the handle and you ride it like a horse. You Know Huma Yeah. Those are kind of old E. Locks back in my day and it was a race and it was like a u-shaped racy to come down and back and it was my husband and my fourth grader in my sixth grader and they took off on this race and like halfway through my sixth grader. I realized that if he went under the rope he could win the race like he just cut the corner and I was hilariously hilariously laughing and it was just really funny the way that he did it like it was very impatient hilarious than than my husband. Son were like falling off their horses. Just forget it but I was like. Yeah it's a hilarious Laureus thing. I was like listen. You're not allowed to do that in every race but it was hilarious. The way you did at that time so he was lying with his body. It was definitely in fact I was calling Rosie Ruiz and then I realized that was in fact it true all locks alert like I barely know who that is. My husband did not get the reference But way back when I believe it was woman who ran the Boston Marathon and she won and there was all this Hoopla around our our right and then went back and check the tapes and she'd like ridden the subway for like seven venerate models of it. Right right she joined in. Yeah I maybe besmirching misery is inappropriate. I don't remember the story exactly basically the ideas like she did exactly what my son did she was like. Hey this'll be a lot easier to win. If I skip like nine miles of it all right well. Let's start at the beginning about like when kids lie because it is a developmental phase. It is this course I was like okay. Let's get into this when kids start to lie. And why do kids start to lie so babies toddlers can't lie because they don't get that you aren't omniscient mission so this is our old friend the theory of mind theory of mind which we need a whole episode on this so around three years old. Your kids develop something called theory of mind. Can I give you a definition from good therapy dot org you may indeed. I've skipped out on good therapy dot org this morning so on the film film in two misses. The latest theory of mind they say is the ability to anticipate what another person is thinking or feeling and to understand that somebody else's beliefs and feelings might be different from your own so kids don't really get that until three and once they do watch out the next thing so I'm reminds still don't get it at eleven and nine. You know my oldest is. I don't understand how you don't let marvel movies and I'm like Yeah theory of mind but we have different opinions so so this is a theory of mind is obviously like a thing. You want your kid to have and the earlier they get it. The more precocious kid is about theory of mining. Getting this stuff the better they are at lying so I have a study for you please. Dr King Lee and a bunch of other researchers from all around the world. They win the study but the kids that were studied were preschoolers in China and they divided them into two groups and liars another life. Yeah exactly well. Basically they created liars and online and this is how they did it they separated them into two groups. Three year olds who were Kinda too young to get the stuff and I they talk to them about some theory theory of mind for staff by gas. How do you think the Kitty cat felt when you know the little boy grabbed its tail? And they're like I don't know that. Okay you're perfect for this study. You have no idea so. They separated them into to hire and one grew. Got All kinds of training and successions on numbers and spatial problem solving. And let's do puzzles and the other group got lots of stories. Read to them about. How do you think the kitty cat feels like lots of stuff about people's mental states and and feelings pitched it a three year old level but taught them to think about that and then after eight weeks they started playing like you know? Is the EMINEM under this. This shell or that Shell okay. And if the kid lied they would get more EMINEM S- then if they didn't lie. Okay that's entrapment. But go ahead and the kids who had had theory of mind like stories about the side. Kitty cat were much more likely to lie than the kids. who hadn't had that training interesting? Yeah once you figure out other people are different from you. That's when the good stuff starts so doctor. Lee Argues at this data. Celebrate the first day your kid lies because because their brain is developing you might feel different mind when they come in covered head to toe and chocolate icing. And they're like I did not dodge instigate. You can be like. It's happy theory of Mind Day at our house. My you can humble brag on facebook about look at the theory of mind. My three year old is displaying. My three year old test theory of mind does yours so half of all three year olds lie regularly. Eighty percent of four year olds apparently lie. You know they they do it. And from five to seven years old. Nearly all kids are lying. Liars are dirty liars by five December. Terrible Liars I mean I think this means ever attempt some kids are really into it and some kids you know I get. It's an Arrow in the quiver. But Not really this is like there's about a million hilarious. CBS facebook video of this kid is covered in lipstick. Had to show. And they're like it's been like I didn't do anything with their web stick and they're just Lincoln. Yeah Yeah you didn't find lipstick covered. It's a funny face because they're lying but they're not good at it. Yes they're not good at it and they do it so both it. It makes me think of the TRAE. Kennedy does that series of middle schoolers videos. We put one up on our facebook page. which is facebook dot com slash wet? Fresh outkast ask we put up all kinds of funny stuff there and trae Kennedy. Who was hilarious? He does you guys have definitely seen these videos. where he plays a middle schooler gamonal smooth so my favorite part of it is when the parent comes in and says? Did you teepee the neighbor's house. And he's like no like completely right haughty outrage outrage. Like how could you think I would do that. And then it smash cuts to him like knocking on the neighbor's door. I'm sorry you're it is. The level of outrage is part of the hilarity. Yes how could you even ask me that. And then they never even showed the reveal. We're actually did it. Because it's so foregone the more outrage they express at the I think they will do it. Yeah talking about H is dangerous. This never goes away like when I'm like husband did you forget you know Blah Blah. You're always accusing me of things. This is like no. I'm really accuser yesterday right now and you definitely did it. And when the kids get older I think it's more lies of omission right. I mean sometimes. They get caught with their hands in the cookie jar. I guess but more it's like what did you do last night. Nothing that's a lie of omission. Yeah well you guys just talking about nothing bridge Zhigo last night nowhere nowhere. I'm GonNa call that ally of emission. That's happening in my house. It's the unknown unknown. I don't even know what I don't know which is never a good place for a parent to be but welcome to my world. I'm trapped in the cycle right now. If can we not talk about it. How the school today can we not talk about it? And then and I'm like no I'm in for the long haul. I will just continue to ask. I need to know because it's going to ruin my night either way so I just need some right like I know something happened. So what was it but you did respectfully ask me like I'm totally undercutting. Ever the set another episodes where it's like. You respectfully as me not to ask you and now I'm going to ask you four thousand times because he said I don't want to talk about it so let's talk about why kids lie okay because there's lots of reasons and some are obvious and some Aren't I'm going to quote child. Mind article by Beth arche which really broke down really well. So we'll put this on our show notes at what pressure podcasts. Dot Com or as we've discovered belatedly as podcast listeners. Ourselves you can just like look down at your phone and scroll and all these links are there you guys know that you just swipe up and then all of a sudden there's magical information and they're quite a thing what a world we live in a world Beth arche kind of breaks it down and she interviewed all kinds of experts. This article is great but she okay so if we had say what are the most common reasons a kid lies. It's to get out of trouble to avoid a consequence. Yes get out of something. They don't WanNa do right or to get something something that they want nuggets new. Don't WanNa get something they want. Correct there also seems to be the middle ground after our fall frolicking. Yesterday I decided to make an apple pie and we were having some people over for dinner and really ill advisedly I was like I'll just whip up apple pie. It's like it destroys my kitchen. It takes an emmy is not a real. I'm not a whip up and apple pie kind of person so I was kind of stuck like buried like in a comic movie like covered in flour and like stuff whispering all over the kitchen while I tried to produce Apple Pie and I kept yelling to my kids like clean up the living room and they were like we are but I can basically just hear them murdering each other instead instead like is it clean and my husband came home and I was like the kid said they claimed they did they not at all. It's completely messy. But I think they thought they had cleaned. Why maybe they didn't know they were lying? Yeah they meant to their intentions. Were good yeah and they did pick up like three of the sixty five things for them. That with Clinton that is five percent cleaner than I was. Yeah so they were like we. Did we cleaned. And it's like you didn't finish cleaning. I guess my ask the wrong question right right. That might be. That's your own communication there. You didn't say can you pick up the thing and then pick up the next thing until there aren't any more things to pick up. You need to be really specific. My bad clear. All right but let's talk about some of the less common reasons. Okay kids lie because there are some Dr Rouse who is a psychologist child. Mind Institute he Says that kids can lie to just kind of check it out. He says like most kids will try on a new behavior. Yes just kind of see what happens but would would be like if I did this right. Bill does try it and so he says for most parents. It can feel like the onset of lying sort of zero to sixty like Monday. They don't do it in the next year. They're doing it all day long. What is happening? He says that that is just sort of a like. What's this pat? I'm going to put this on and C. C. Righ looking commits. This is our old friend boundary pushing behavior which we see a lot of in the preteen. It's just like well look. I definitely remember now. My kid is he's throwing around like crazy. I would just put your shoes on. And he's like no we what. When did this develop and now? He's like Oh wait. I can actually say no. Sometimes James Sometimes right to try saying no all the time. Yeah the typical two year old right. I'm going to say no to everything the most reasonable requests. No for me right because I'm just trying to sat on the guy. It does now for six years. I've just been crushed under the thumb of this dictator but what if one day I throw rocket instead and then it works or it doesn't work but you're trying it out so if you have say a three year old who you know. Did everything you exactly the way you wanted it. And now says they brush their teeth and their toothbrushes dry and says their vegetables vegetables and then you find them in the garbage. You know that that stuff is not something to like. Be Alarmed about. It's something to be like a Ha- about like oh here it is. It's our friend guys. It's developmentally appropriate. It's our friend. This is a sort of mind-blowing one. I hadn't really considered. Sometimes kids lie because they they are developing their morality as they become more moral they are more likely to lie because they are better able to anticipate what might get them into trouble make sense or for they do it. One time Mike I my boys were little. They were four and three. We were visiting my in laws and our car was parked in the driveway. And they had to sort of drive with gravelly rocks and I have New York City kids so driveway of gravelly rocks was like the best box ever seen. So these right heaven these to play Out there with plastic trucks and my little boy. The older of the two came in like I have a surprise for you mommy. He needs me out to the driveway. We decorated car and they had taken again gravelly rocks and scratched designs in the side of our own mini. Like all over the side. I will never forget at the look on his face as the look on. 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This offers valid until December thirty first two thousand Nineteen at eleven fifty nine pm. Okay Amy we're we're back we're talking about lying lying children and all the reasons that we think of and maybe have not thought of that. They might do it the next one. I'M GONNA in a call of the Napoleon dynamite sort of Li- which is the Napoleon dynamite. It's my favorite movie. No one's this shocking fact. I've never seen the movie Napoleon dynamite. My Gosh Gosh. I think I have to quit the podcast. Now that's I know it's one of those movies that people love. I don't know when it came out that I just completely missed it. It came out in two thousand so I think it's an Oldie locks alert back in my dairy. Yeah it probably is. I've never seen it if you're listening in your kids are like grade schoolers. Like I'd say like eight and older is the perfect age Napoleon dynamite because it was written and directed by a husband wife team and they're both Mormon so like this movie is squeaky clean. It's PG safe all ages and her. Larry it's not on my radar like I've definitely seen people imitated and I get there's like two nerdy kids or something. I think I know nothing about it. Well Napoleon dynamite and it's just a coming of age movie. Napoleon dynamite is an incredibly dorky kid at a high school in Idaho who has to sort of learn the lesson. It's and only when you really decide to be yourself instead of being who you think the world wants you to be. You would love this movie because you talk about the blind rainy video. Yeah Melon no rain can you talk about like a retired. It's that the movie and so Napoleon. Dynamite is just like this super dorky kid in the first act of the movie he's like. I went to the Ninja camp. This summer yes girlfriend. She lives in Canada and all their kids and the high school are looking at him like he was so clearly. Don't like what a Weirdo you are. Yeah and he's is trying to sort of be cool by displaying. These outlandish things that are clearly on to everybody even himself and he just doesn't. It's like why why you doing this and experts say that kids can do that when they really don't have self confidence they're trying in the most unproductive way possible to you puff themselves up. It makes a lot of sense. Dowana get sometimes kids. Lie to get focused off themselves like when your son came home. Like how's your day. Fine I WANNA talk. The thing is that's the live admission like no. Don't look at me right. Don't WanNa Delvin with mom on this one Sometimes they lie because their peers are doing stanton. That seems pretty cool and interesting. Yup Right I mean I just think a lot of these have the underlying like power dynamic thing in they lie to get power. Somehow you know like they just lied I to like it is like that thing of like. I use the metaphor a lot of like the dictator just crushing. The lake serves and then finally the stairs like rise up against and some like there is that dynamic and like the parent child relationship where you're like. I said get your shoes. This is what we're doing. Eat this do this. It is natural for kids to want to like get out from under that in a certain point. You want them to do that. But lying is definitely part of like it. Switches the power dynamic. That's interesting so like the dry toothbrush on your kid. Definitely I said he brushed his teeth is like do you let some of that go. Because you're Goliath and David and they have to feel like they go to win once in a while you absolutely do. I think we should finish our list of reasons and then we should move on because I do think there's a lot of stuff the out here. Okay for kids. Who are impulsive? which is kids with? ADHD although not exclusively. I mean all kids are impulsive to some degree or another and kids with. ADHD are particularly impulsive. Sometimes they'd say stuff like it just comes out yet so the kid who is more likely to stay sort of blurred out stuff. I'm thinking of a one time. I was driving with my kids in the minivan and this other little boy in the back seat and we were taking him to my kids grandparents house which this is a city kid and this was a very nice. You know suburban even more more country than suburban very nice back yard that kind of thing be causses beautiful trees and he was he was saying well. These are nice houses and I said Yeah. Their grandmother lives right up here in this little boy. It was like my grandmother lives near here to my little boys. Were like what she does. Yeah and and they they came to me later like why did he say say that. His grandmother lives near Harris. She doesn't I'm like he just like in the moment he misses a kid has adhd. I've talked to mom about it. The impulsively in the moment would just like to. Yeah Yeah I want to be part of whatever this thing is. Yeah Yeah and some other kid might be like. Should I say that I probably won't this kid didn't have that little one second things that he said it again. My sons weren't aren't openly dismissive of that because they're nice kids but they definitely were like. Why don't you stay there for this? Totally confused right. The last way the kids Li- is because we tell them to it is kind of part of the instruction manual right like white lies. You mean like yeah tell aunt Melba how much you like the sweater that she got you instead of a toy. Yes yes. I don't know a big. We'd make them do it sometimes. Yeah and sometimes it's program. Yeah so sometimes. Lions appropriate food is delicious. It's fine you don't have to tell people that drives. It's all the time so kids live for all those reasons that makes sense. It's a good list and I do think we start with the why because it helps this figure out what to do about it right because sometimes it's a problem and sometimes it isn't a problem and some of these lies are good fine totally understandable and some of them are not and so knowing the why helps us to be like wait. Which one of these should I shut down exactly? I have some thoughts on that to lead us in they. May what are your thoughts so these are duck matthew rouse's thoughts really. He works for a child mind. And so hey me. Aren't doctrine matthew roused thoughts really all of our thoughts in the end though. Let's make though he just says it so nicely he breaks it down into levels of lying. Okay so we know why they lie. He's trying to help us to start when Nisa big problem or not. So he says that level one line is the attention seeking. Yeah my grandmother lives here too. I have a boyfriend in Candida George Glass and you know get George Goldie locks alert back in my day George Glass yes tell everybody about garage the craft scam. Brady's fake boyfriend's name was George Glass in like that's choice class he was. He's yeah so George. Glass is the example of like the Napoleon dynamite and my thing like my boyfriend lives in Canada. Yes and all the Brady's handled that the right way. which is Marsha? Think Shirt Jan like. That's the me sure. Yeah the medium that you see all the discharge surgeon you don't. She is passive aggressively disagreeing and undermining her guest. But you don't say what do you mean whereas he call him on the phone right now. If it's a level one lie Dr Rouse would say ignore it. If the lie isn't hurting anyone he says. Ignore and redirect. I agree that can be hard to figure out but yes and I think it can be hard to figure out like what if you have a kid as listeners into us. What if you have a kid who does this all the time like? It's always with the George Glass. And the you know the fantastical. I walked into my gym class today. And everybody clapped for me and then they cared around like always with the stories as in the embellishing. If you have a kid is doing that. You're probably like this isn't very helpful. I guess I would say that. That's probably not something that your kid is going to do for the next fifteen years but it's it's something dress. Yeah and I think you can make some sort of like linguistic differential between like. Oh my God that's great that you got one hundred on your test and Oh oh my God. That's great that the kids cared you around in gym class like that. Sounds fantastic or whatever like the way you a react to the things that are clearly not true. Should be different than the way you react to things that are true. I guess it Dr S. would say that this was metal too lying if they do this all the time like level one line is they do they tell some Kooky story once in a while level two story. is they keep doing this. It's always fantastical. Then he suggests you might say that sounds like a tall tale. Why don't you tell me again? Yeah I mean I just thinking knowledge to some degree that like. That's not quite true. And I think we sometimes project too much on this. I have a child who is extremely into fairies right now And spends a lot of her life talking about the magical wishing stone that she's going to get from these ferries and what she's going to do once she acquires the magical wishing stone and it kind of drives her brother's crazy 'cause they're like but we talk about it so much that even my eleven year old was like wait. There's ethical wishing psych conference. Let her have her thing. Like there's a minute where it's like. Wait a minute. What are you guys talking about it? Get out fury of mind. I'm pretty sure she's wrong but I'm not sure anymore. So we talk about the magical wishing stone different than we talk about like what we're GonNa do on Christmas break different conversations entirely the magical wishing students like and then we'll have pizza for dinner every night and we'll get twelve doll houses and we'll decorate them all with with everything in the doghouse. Store like the magical wishing stone is a fun fantasy conversation and then we kind of very arrive to the thing of like how if only the magical I took a wishing stone. We've only we could find it like we kind of wink. Owing to the fact that like there is probably not ever going to imagine what she's still in that the various various there's a parenting specialist named Carol Brady Seriously Dr Carol Brady no relation to everything. She says correct inaccurate. She needs jests. I really liked this suggestion with the kid. I like this. Who is prone to the ferry thing you have enough perspective on the theory thing to know like this is an intense moment in our allies? And someday she's going to be twelve and talking about boys and I wish wish that you were still talking about wishing stones right if you have a kid. That's maybe you know spinning falsehoods. That are getting a little more complicated. She suggests you do something. Something called a truce check. Okay and this is the setup that she gives. Your kid says that they did a homework assignment and the next day you get an email from the teacher or the kid gets a UH notification. You didn't do your homework. And it's child versus teacher. Who you're going to believe in the kid is doing or doing? Don't do it and you kind of may be. You know there's something about this that you think I'm GonNa believe the adult here could. So what do she suggests that you say something like. I'm going to walk away. I'M GONNA give you ten minutes and then I'm GonNa come back and I'm going to ask you again and and if you change your mind and you WanNa give me a different answer. It's just a truth check so you won't get in trouble. That's a good idea. It is a good idea right because what you don't want to do well. I'm kind of skipping ahead to the solutions here. But you definitely don't want to do is like you are lying to me and you were going to admit you're lying to me right now. The making them admit to the life I it is a big first step. That maybe isn't so necessary. If you WANNA get to the lake. Okay you told me you did your home. But you didn't and now we have to do it. We want to solve the problem right. This is a big category. This is the thing we go back to all the time which is like the solution to many many things in parenting is to hold it less tightly and lying so in that category like when you bear down of like that is a lie young man and you will admit the truth. It's like you're suddenly like the last scene of a few good men probably awesome all the Alexa alert. Where it's like you can handle the true though? It's a big courtroom like he's trying to get him annuities lying and you don't want to get into that mode and that's the thing thing with like if the magical Washington the fairy is going to bring a magical azote and I'm like that's a lie. There is no such thing as ferries. Relax it's some of the stuff does not I need to be dealt with even things I think. We lay a lot of like heavy morality on lying. That does not belong there. Yeah that's right and calling your kid Aligarh. It seems to be one thing thing that the experts assertive all agree on that calling him a liar using that very charged word is a bad idea because it makes the kid feel bad. What about themselves? It can kinda become self fulfilling that they have to keep lying. You think about the other thing and it's just you say this about like don't let people at your table bowl call someone a picky eater like it. Just don't give them les mots that they have to like either lean into or completely get out of because their choices almost always going to you to lean into it. There's things we can do about relying admit to skip that step. We'll talk about what to do instead but we never got to level three. Let's wrap our section here here. By finishing the levels of lying level one was like attention seeking one is. I have a girlfriend in Canada and who cares right level two is like I'm constantly making adding stuff up And then you can say if it's a younger kid. That sounds like a tall tale. Why don't you tell me again? And if it's something of more consequence you can try this truth. Check idea that I really really like level. Three is your kid lied about where they were last night. And you know they got an F. test and they hit it in the bottom of their backpack doc. I don't know like we really get to that level. Three lying is like something that needs to be fixed. You broke grandma's bates but I think level three would also include like their vaping in there. You find it in their backpack right. I mean level relying is like consequential problematic line right. Yeah and those cases there has to be a consequence. You like you know you lose your phone. You can't go to the birthday party. Whatever the consequences but make sure that fixing the wrong reading on note that you're sorry you broke the window you know? I'm sorry. I T P your house. I'm sorry that I pushed my cousin. Whatever whatever the thing is that you have to make to make it right fixing fixing the lie? Part of the consequence amy. I want to end our segment with this doctor koplowitz quote. 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Oh yeah that's one. We haven't stepped forward yet. Go to sleep this has been. Why moms tell lies as and when it's okay from the what fresh podcast? Okay okay. Carol Brady Wisdom you ready for some more. Yes I mean this is Dr Carol Brady. But let's just pretend it's mom breath. She says the children almost always life for a reason and as Dr Koplowitz said in our truth bomb lake and the reason is that they're alive. That's not the reason that your kid is a liar. Full Stop and you need to fix that. Identifying the reason the kids Li- is more important than stigmatizing that they live. We're going to keep talking about this for another another little while but I'm just GonNa say with coat solved it. I mean that's the thing that I think you've got to hang onto is like I have never thought of it this way and it's so helpful. Line is a symptom. It's not a diagnosis right. And if you have a kid who's really lying about everything you really concerned about it. There's probably something else going on. It's anxiety it's I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist or anything else. But there's something that's making the kid do that but isn't lying disease right. It's yes and I would suggest that again. Also oddly enough. I'm not a medical professional but I would suggest that the missing ingredient that is creating a lot of lying is connection. There's a connection that's missing. There're that I think like that's where your focus should be. You know like we said this about a lot of different things when like vape pen falls out of the backpack when the like missing homework. That like they've been saying they've been doing and you find it in the drawer. You know after three weeks in the moment of shock about like my child has been lying to me. You have to like back away get right and chill out and and then you need to come back to your kid at some point and be like we need to reform some connection between us because something is amiss here that we are not communicating easier said than done. I mean that's not a one step process but I find nowadays with my kid who's like school rule every day. Basically like it's hard you know. Sixth Grade Sucks. And you know it's been hard. I find that almost every night at bedtime if I can go up before his brother comes into the room and sit down with him. It's like with this happened at recess and I can't figure out WHO's friends. I want to be this. One doesn't like this one. I feel like I'm in the middle. I get the whole story at bedtime time so I have tried. Although I'm still not good at it and my husband has to remind me sometimes at pickup. How was your day on and I'm like I WANNA be like before but what happened at the film in? I have tried to like that. Sounds like a bummer. Let's go get a chocolate chip cookie sandwich and see if we can just turn the day around a little bit like I. I try it the moment to just offer positively but then in a calmer moment let's revisit this and see if there's some Vicks I like that is there and it's coming at bedtime. The time and I have to realize like my sixth grader. That may not happen when he's sixteen so like we have to start forming the practice of like in the red brain moment where you're so so mad about everything that's happened that you're just like I don't trust anyone I'm GonNa light everyone about whatever it is. That's not the moment to connect. There's a moment but that that moment connection always exists. Doctor Fran Wall Fish. Who wrote the book the Self aware parents she says you have to bust your child and a nice way in order to get past the lie into fixing it sooner and also to prevent mine from becoming a snowballing thing you do have to bust them but don't label them liar instead she she suggests put positive attention on telling the truth so I guess it's you know when your child finally confesses with this is what's really going on? This is what I didn't want to tell you before for make sure you thank them for confiding in you for confessing to you. I think that's very key the positivity of like your our kid is on one side. You're on the other side and what they see is like an everest size cavern between the two of you right and so I do think it is your your job sometimes to like. Lay the ladder across that chasm. And be like there's a lot of ways to do this one of them is like Oh this is interesting. You told me Blah Blah Blah Blah And look what I see here take it. That's the way to lay. The ladder is to be like. I'm not coming at you like the are you've been caught like I'm coming at you like okay. Dopey I caught you now. Let's fix it. You know like lay the bridge to them and let them walk across it but you you have to understand that there are like on top of this volcanic like eruption and the minute you go to them and you're like it's like the cavs opens up so much wider there. There is no solution and when I was in high school my drama teacher I was the head of the drama club and she wanted me to set up a pasta dinner like a fundraiser and I was supposed post to call the DAD. Who is the president of like the Parents Support Club to set up this pasta dinner and I just didn't WanNa do it? I just didn't want to call this other person's persons dad on the F- I just didn't want to do it so I lied and told her I did it like going I called. He has to call me back and I just didn't do. It didn't do it and eventually became this mountain kind of like I kept lying that I had done it and then finally this dad was. I know she never called me and I didn't know how to fix it. Ready to become this mountain between me and this beloved teacher and yeah finally had to be like see. Didn't call him right. What did you tell me a dead? which again she didn't she had to offer me that? Lay that ladder as you're you're saying across to be like okay. Yes I didn't I don't know why I'm sorry. I'm stressed but if she had offered me that opportunity to confess I don't know I'd still be lying about it. But and that's what lies are lies become bigger but this basically every netflix series. Ever like you tell a lie in the beginning and then your home life is covering this basically every drama series. You ever watch like help your kids find their way out of that morass at the same time I will say I had something that happened in high school. What I was is school era where I basically cheated needed on something for school straight up copying someone else's thing like I cheated? I actually at the time like this is awesome like I really did not like I feel like my is a great originally was good morals but like I just was like Oh. This is so much easier if I just like. Copy this thing in handed in as my own versus writing it like I was not even like tormented or torture via I really was like and I got caught and I got suspended and I didn't really get at the time like now. I look back on it and I'm like Oh this is the thing that schools zero tolerance ethics. I didn't really actually see it as a huge ethical lapse looking back just handed in someone else's work as my own thinking that it was fine fine but I was like score. I figured out a way to do more easily. I did not see it the same way that they didn't but my mom came down she. She was appalled. She was really really genuinely personally appalled that I had done it and was like ashamed of me and was like it was like you said it was like my thing of like drawing on the car. You're like I saw her face. No like I've done something terribly terribly wrong. And there's a role for that hammer to come down onto. It doesn't mean that when your kid drives elevate your car you have to come out and be like great job sweetie like we're not trying to say in any way that it is only about building connection it it is also sometimes find to be like we have worked really hard to raise you with these morals and standards and you have completely fallen short and you are completely in the doghouse. Kaos that happens sometimes. You just don't WanNa play that card every single time because let me tell you. The one day was played on me the one time in my high school career. Look I still wake up at three o'clock in the morning to sweat from it. Sometimes it worked because it happened once right. If it happened one hundred times you would have been like you would have just said. Oh there she goes again in your she goes again exactly. Let's go back to little kids because Dr Mark Bowers has good sort of solution when it's little kids who scribbled on the wall. Aw You know who did this. You come in the living room and there's cramped on the wall. There sharpie on the couch just happened to me and your little kid does not confess to it of course because it was clearly really bad right and they want to try to blame it on the dog or the fairies or whatever he says that there are two things one is you can state the rules and then offer a solution Aleutian like instead of getting into. Who did this? Who did this? You're gonNA confess to me right now. You say in this House. We don't color on walls. Now we're GONNA go scrub this off and you just moves through it with the. We both know you did it. We don't have to talk about it. Now we're GONNA make it right and the second suggestion he has you play dumb and say something like I wonder how this Crayon gotten the wall. I sure hope somebody who's going to help me scrub it off with Mister Clean Magic eraser and then make them help you so again. They're making it right. They know that it's wrong. You're not getting stuck on the part of. What did you lie to me because I think that's exactly at whatever the solution is it's like you're not getting stuck on? That's a lie. Admit Oh you did it in like your backing young amy into the corner when she didn't call the dad like it's like or whatever reason and I think those reasons can be very very hard it to Parse like why didn't you want to call it that widened. He do it like there are so many weird things. Amy and I were just traveling. I was telling her story about something. I did as a kid that I won't even get into to the story because not the point I was like what must have thought when I did that. Like it's really weird stuff and I think getting stuck on the why is almost always mistake. Look if it's a pattern and there's like okay. We want to get it something. But this is the symptom versus diagnosis thing. Like why did you sharpy the couch couch. But it doesn't really matter chirpy catch the I shall be the catch because it was there and I had a sharpie my hand but I didn't call the dad because I was having a really tough junior year of high school right. The reasons were way more complicated right. But you probably weren't going to get into somebody you weren't going to get into that y you just wanted a solution to the problem. You know what I mean. You just wanted a way out. I just wanted to way out. I wanted to weigh to admit right a graceful way to move past what I had done and he gave me. Because do you really need to get into the weeds of why a sixteen exciting year. Old Girl doesn't want to call an adult man on the phone. Now there's think history there's an eight thousand reasons. Why like an insurmountable obstacle to a sixteen senior old? You don't really need to understand them. You need to be like how about this did you. Not where do you need me to make the phone call. You need help them find the solution. And I think that's that's what they're saying is like wow while someone's sharply the couch and now we need to scrub it so I guess the dog can't how you'll help even though the I'm fine. Let's talk talk about how to get kids to lie less in the first place. Okay Dr Carol Brady Oh Carol Brady love it. This is a situation where you know that. Let us. Your kid was at a party where they you know. We're taping the house or calling up. I can think of a summer party. One of my kids went to a couple years years ago where they were calling the other kids in the class like the home phone in the middle of the night kind of thing and the kids were little of course denying it. You could see what there's caller id now you could see what kids cell phone was coming from. So if you're in a situation like that with your kid you sit them down and she says you give them a preamble Carol Brady says she says I'm GonNa ask you a question an and maybe you're gonNa tell me something I don't really want to hear but remember. Your behavior is not who you are good point so tell them ahead of time like I know you're not GonNa WanNa tell me the truth but it's important that you tell me the truth and for older kids. There's a way that you can make it clear to them that telling the truth will reduce consequences. Yeah like if you have to pick them up at a party and they've been clearly drinking something they weren't supposed to be drinking. That's not great but calling you to come pick them up and keeping them out of trouble is is much better right so it's not like there's no consequences for bad decisions ever telling the truth about those things is much better than not. Yeah and I think maybe be part of a lot of this. You can just skip the step of like you tell me okay. No you're lying okay. Now you have to tell me the truth. I think you can just skip to like so. We can tell that you're making prank calls for these three reasons. So here are the consequences to that. Yeah and like I can tell you were drinking at the party. That is against our roles. Also I'm glad you gave me a call. I'm glad you're safe this is. Why don't you what you doing this? And let's move on like you can kind of skip the step where you're like. I'm going to get you an ally I because there's just doesn't seem to be a big upside to that that's right and I think like teaching our kids. That lying is wrong like the world teaches that they get that you can tell them. It's not behavior that you accept but in the moment they get it. I knew I was supposed to call this data about this stupid pasta dinner. My three year old knew he wasn't supposed to have written on the couch with with Sharpie. He got that pretty quickly. And this reminds me a lot of our discussion about like rescuing kids like okay. You've got a kid who's for getting their homework every day. Do you bring their homework working for them. You're rescuing him. That's a problem and we talked a lot about like you have to build scaffolds that help that kid remember their homework. You don't get into the thing of bringing their homework every today and this is the thing of like. Did you feed the dog yes. The dog wasn't fat. Now you left for school now. You lied at it as a problem. The solution to that is not to fight the lying lying. The solution is to be like. You need to put a check next to this Fox after the dog is fed every morning. And then we know it's done and only when I see that check. Can you leave the house and like you need to just put systems in place. Where like if you're drinking at a party and you get uncomfortable? Call me and I will. We'll pick you up. You don't need to lie to me about drinking. I don't even care about that part of it. You need to fix was underneath ally and then you can overall have practice of blake lying. This is something again like in our house. I feel like we talked about it a lot. It's in the news a lot. It's in the world a lot like this person is being disrespected. Because they live like lying is not part of our family value but in the moment you need to address what's underneath align with the without being panicked at this means you. We have the worst kid ever right because I think this is exactly one of those things that it tends to is your kid on s that is the ultimate test of whether you have failed there's a parent and it's like right. Does your kid a fever. It's a symptom of something. It has nothing to do with like I'm not saying his kid. Who is habitually lying? There's a problem there that needs to be addressed but even then the problem isn't the lying. The problem is what's making them behave that way. Yeah right right we solved at amy. We solve this one on yet. I feel like this was really helpful to me. I feel like I'm still. My kids are not in a big lying phase yet but I think this is going to be really helpful for me. That's right it's like what's causing causing this. Not I am Tom Cruise and you are jack. Nicholson and we are at the final scene. feuded go watch it if you haven't great movie. I'm definitely going to try the Dr Carol Brady the truth check just a little truth check. Let's have a truth Chakra. I'll be back in ten minutes. I like that I can use that with people in my adult life. Yes did you send in the PTA forms honey any. Let's have a truth check. I'll come back and back and two minutes. It's just a truth Jack. Be Perfect guys. 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97: CODY CECI LAWSUIT, BEST OTTAWA SKATE SHARPENER POLL, PASSING OF ROSIE RUIZ - TOP CHEATER EVER?

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97: CODY CECI LAWSUIT, BEST OTTAWA SKATE SHARPENER POLL, PASSING OF ROSIE RUIZ - TOP CHEATER EVER?

"<music> steve project and everybody welcome to the projects shows it was about sports and whatever having a few laughs a few pints behind the scenes and the hoopla is delivered daily right on time by two former sports radio partners. I'm steve warn that guy over there covering it potato chip crumbs. That's jim jerome. Dan show you'll receive total consciousness so you got that going for which is nice episode. Ninety seven presented by all insurance ontario jim ford and rb computing best player to wear number ninety seventy with jeremy roenick halbe physi- physi- not in the hall of fame over five hundred goals over twelve hundred points a radio hall of famer is says is jim jerome. Are they jimmy voice d._v._r. Yeah really good excellent. Ex- how are you steve. I'm fine. Thanks for asking you think about j._r. You you know i'm thinking of numbers <hes> before talking about j._r. Well no. Let's talk about them. It just goes to show if you're if you're a little out there if you're a little out of bounds with your takes off the ice on the ice do not. I don't know if he's a really well liked i i i know maybe that's holding you back. Maybe he's a great guy but but we don't like them we. I don't like them so funny how we like <hes> hearing all this commentary in sports radio but i think there's a lot of people who hold that stuff against guys guys who are outspoken in gaza say what's on their mind and they for that reason get this reputation or a label of diva diva and <hes>. I think that may be works against some of these guys is trying to get into the hall of fame. I've been obviously banging on the hall of fame door for daniel alfredsson but i'd say that jeremy roenick he probably deserves reserves in every bit as much as alfred's well. What what i got a question for you when you bring this up because i've always been of the i have an opinion about this myself is how much of a guy's personal life comes into play when it comes time time to select for hall of fame for example right. What's what what are we allowed to look at. What are we allowed to stay outside of the game to us as a qualifier or non-qualifier more specifically for athletes who are really good god but they do a bunch of shit off the field or off the ice and should they be allowed. Pete rose for example right is the is the biggest example ever <hes> who was gambling on baseball and gambling and therefore has never been into the hall of fame right. He never got ended. He unless i've been asleep for the last four years or some nope i would say it comes down to this. It's crimes and major rule breaks. If you cross those roads then it's going to affect things. The intangible is guys like jeremy roenick who are and and terrell owens. We've talked about him to just being outspoken <hes> <hes> and sometimes that gets you in some hot water yeah. I you know my opinion. Is i disagree. I disagree if you have certain qualifiers for example the l._p._g._a. Has has a standard that you have to achieve and then you're in the hall of fame okay. I think you've got to win twenty times or if you win twenty times you're automatically and there's some automatics that you're in the the women's golf allah faint and <hes> <hes> <hes> if that's the case where these geyser i don't think they have automatic qualifiers for the for the hockey hall of fame but there's there's going to be obvious things that you've accomplished that are going to put into the into the hall you know and your hall of fame is based on the performance in that sport and although it might be difficult to do because of the fact that we get to invade invade athletes private life by many different ways and means now to find out what they're doing away from the game. It makes them interesting. I think some of them that they do and other ones that makes you go jesus. I sort of scary shit he's done but i don't think it should affect what they of them getting into the hall. Well my statement was. I think crump major crimes and major rule breaks should keep guys out of the hall <hes> and so on looking in the direction of barry bonds or guy like pete rose whose major rule breaks were obvious and then look at o._j. Simpson who shouldn't be in the hall so these kinds of things. I'm talking about you said though that you still after i made that statement that you disagreed. I'm not letting in barry bonds just because he he was on a performance enhancing drugs so he's cheating is cheating the game. You know barry bonds for sure no lance armstrong no o._j. Simpson steve this'll be unpopular but the guy was found not guilty so everyone you can have your opinion and you know everyone. Everyone sp- carries carries the placard for innocent until proven guilty. You know we got this justice system. Well like it or not. The guy was found not guilty on that crime the other one was the baseball trading thing where collectibles that he ended up in jail before i you know i think you've got to put aside. I think you have to put it aside and he always better he. It was a fantastic football player and you're gonna have to give the guy his do as as an athlete. You know like it or not well. It's one of those deals that the burden of proof when it comes to putting a guy in jail and taking away his rights and freedoms that's one thing but then there's the court of public look opinion and that's not nearly as onerous in terms of you know the burden of proof <hes>. Is there anybody who thinks that o._j. Simpson didn't do that crime but <hes> that's opinion steve. That's opinion. You know it's not fact while the yeah that's a that's an opinion to when it when you're talking about twelve people on a jury well he was found not guilty. I i can't say anything more than that. You know the the problem. I have with your your argument about major crimes. And what else did you say. Major rule breaks kamajor rule breaks. Maybe maybe an in the sport okay like like the steroid use so now the the problem with the major crime think steve is okay well. What's a major crime. <hes> if we're doing that well then we'd better look at. This is what he did. He had an impaired okay he drove. He drove rav under the influence <hes> he was. He was sued for assault. He was indicted for <hes> some other stuff tough so now we're. Where do you draw the line. I think it's pretty easy line to draw. Actually no i don't i don't know if they've done it or anything but you know come up with a list these other things that can get you barred from any hall of fame that tied handle it so but so what's the list steve with. What's it's gonna be. It's gonna go on forever. I mean it's easy enough to get it. I mean i i don't know if the list <hes> exists but it's easy enough to come up with one like the same way the the criminal code has this you know felonies and they have misdemeanors they decide which one belongs in each category and you can decide on your own as as someone who runs any given hall of fame as a committee decided on ones that these are the ones that get you kicked out on these are the ones that do not as patrick hall of fame. I believe he is yes. Do you remember the story what is in colorado that is white filed a complaint about about violence remember. You've smashed adores something i i seem to recall. There was a story about this guy going bananas one night you can you can you can look that up but i remember when we're on the radio talking talking about that. It was <hes> it was it was a case that was dismissed. <hes> all charges were dismissed because the incident did not meet the standard standard for criminal mischief in case of domestic violence okay but a lot of people thinks they come away and go why you got away with one there patrick gay. Just i just as your opinion on all jr is. Is there not anybody with thinks o._j. Didn't do it well. He wasn't found guilty for that thing and patrick. Wa a lot of people think others. You know where there's smoke. There's fire there. Okay whether smoke there's fire but he was dismissed. I just don't think there's you can come up with something that is perfect to base your decision on whether these these people get in or not you know. Everyone's got their shit steve. Everyone has their shit okay. Everybody care who you are. There's something there there's something there <hes> you know and and if we start to pick apart people's lives you know you're you're you're going into a territory of you know so so we got these random decisions made by people based on what we think based on what we think well judgments happen all the time in sports and i would just basically assess each case on its own weaknesses and its own merits and <hes> and i'm. I'm not saying jay walk and keeps you out. I don't wanna come across like i'm looking looking for only the purest of athlete to get in however. I think we can agree that you know o._j. Simpson maybe we don't agree but i think that i i would say that he would have a resume that would make me have at least pause for thought with him being in the hall of fame or not and <hes> if i knew enough about the patrick <unk> thing i might might <hes> might look at that as well but <hes>. I don't know enough about the whole thing and i certainly didn't get it. You know served me on a nightly basis every single detail about that case. It was happening so okay so let's look at one of these things out of time so a rule break. <hes> i agree okay no hall of fame. Can we agree on that calls into question. The integrity of the game like minor stuff like a deflate gate no text of a game mm-hmm. I'm cheating steve. That's exactly what i'm thinking of. You know it's tom brady now. Gripping the football a little better. I don't think the same as <hes> jesting <unk> steroids so there we go so so you know what our list here that steve wariner and the panel came up with is if you break a rule in the sport. You're not getting in the hall of fame a major now. Give me your gate so now you're rule break. What's a major rule break. I've been saying major rule break the entire show okay but what's a major rule break. Something like barry bonds something like pete rose where you call in to real serious integrity breach by the actions of these players but but pete rose didn't juice a baseball all he didn't even put pine turn his back. He didn't use steroids. He didn't <hes> i don't know he didn't he didn't beat anyone up up on baseball well but but did it changes. His performance was cheating. You know i. I don't think it is. I don't think it is you know if you're betting on baseball from the inside as an employee of major league baseball that calls into question the integrity of the outcomes of games whether you bet on other teams whether you bet on your opponent whether you bet on your own team all of those things call into question the integrity of outcomes and when that happens all is lost. That's why baseball in every sport has taken that rule breach each more seriously than maybe any other up but but but cheating with the football steve is is is you know is calling the question. The integrity of the athlete listen. Tom brady should be in the hall of fame. You know he should be he should be in the hall for what he did away from that game you know if if you leave that out but did he do it in a bunch of other game steve. That never got caught. I believe that to be a minor rule break. It's like i'm not going to take you out of the hall of fame for jeremy roenick. I think should be in the hall of fame and i'm not keeping him out because he got in a fight well. My point is steep. You should have that then they should come up with automatic qualifiers to be in the hall of fame. I'm good automatic qualifiers and if you achieve that then you're in all right so we're not going to. We're not going to solve anything here. We both feel the way we feel in that is that <hes> but we do have some other things you want to get to and most of it is kind of kind of morphs into this thing you know kind of wrongdoing in the world of sports <hes> for the most part in this <hes> <hes> in this particular episode of the show <hes> rosie ruiz pasta way one of the most infamous athletes ever africa passed away at the age of sixty six reside definitely her story is sad that she's passed away but her story certainly has <hes> a chuckle or two in it <hes> due to the fact that she was one of the great achievers in sports history <hes> tough news <hes> some legal hot water for cody sisi and his girlfriend <hes> the longtime sends defense but now the leaves of course it's being sued for eight million dollars after a woman was accidentally burned at a house party that sisi and his girlfriend were hosting and what if we introduced introduced relegation in north american team sports teams that aren't really trying looking in your direction eugene melnyk and we're on the auto originally sharpen. 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You've had your eye on ford ford employee pricing in the new ad home test drive now on a jim kaye ford you vill driving orleans or jim k. ford dot com ottawa woman james left the second and third degree burns when she was absolutely engulfed in flames at a springtime dinner party last year hosted by cody sisi and his common law wife and cici's now being sued for eight million dollars in damages the twenty five year old by the name of hana angle and and she suffered burns to thirty five percent of body after an incident on may ninth last year involved in outdoor table top fireplace at sea stitz ville home home and i guess the deal was this is all according to the lawsuit now that cici's girlfriend has this outdoor tabletop fireplace that i guess ran out of fuel but i think the burner must still been going so. She's got this little squirt squirt bottle. That's filled with liquid ethanol and she decides squirt it into the fireplace to get it going again but the flame had not been extinguished and so i guess the the fluid that was jettisoning from the bottle catches fire the bottle itself catches fire you're in so cici's girlfriend kind of goes and panics and throws it away and it lands either near or on <hes> hannah angle l. and she suffered. She's just like immediately inflames or close catch fire. She's on fire and about thirty. Five percent of her body was burned and so now now the <hes> we had heard about this last month but it is now gone to a lawsuit stage of eight million dollars is not crazy. Oh my god god oh my god. I've never heard of this before. What what an absolutely horrible story well. I'll give a shit about about the whatever the fallout is from legally oh my god that poor girl who got burnt and c._c.'s wife or girlfriend see married married yep. She wasn't married john she would know there is a common law relationship partnership on so she was not burned. I don't believe what i mean. Oh my god. I don't even know how to comment on something like that about <hes>. I couldn't think of anything worse. You know that that c._c.'s poor poor wife sort of natural <hes> little mind lapse rate on on <hes> squirting off yeah just i mean it's a brutal accident for sure but the lawsuit alleges the incident was caused quote unquote entirely by the individual or the combined and negligence of the defendants and it claims that thomson mrs again c._c.'s common law partner and didn't know how to properly operate a fireplace ace disregarded all the warning labels failed to take safety precautions failed to warn the guests of the danger failed to read instructions or allegedly squirted liquid ethanol onto through an open flame good. Even you know and this is like okay so even if that's all true it's cody c._c. Was being sued here and he had nothing to do with it. Really it's just a bad accident but i understand. All the legal costs that go into this. The lawsuit also alleged c._c. Himself <hes> is guilty of negligence for for allegedly also not knowing how to properly operate the fireplace failing to read instructions failing to understand safety precautions failing to prevent his girlfriend from refilling the fireplace with ethanol final while the flame was low and ignoring warning labels basically he otherwise breached his duties as an occupier of the premises yeah the only <hes> maybe a little too early to to make that comment but i've always been had bad timing but this sort of thing you know. It's a horrible horrible accident right. It's a horrible accident. The girls going to regret that cici's partners going to regret that for the rest of her life. You're not talking about minor burns here thirty five percent of your body and sounds to me like it's it's going to you know she's maimed for life maimed for life looks like it's mostly like on the neck and shoulder and upper body area terrible so what i don't like steve when you when you fill in the details of this story and the lawsuit is i don't. I don't think he has to blame at all by the sounds of it. It's hard to point fingers. I mean it's we're talking about two adults are they joined at the hip in the blame department because somebody did something dumb what we share house with this person. That's on me right right now. We hadn't brought it up now. Because i think people who are going off in my head people going. Oh this perec's incentives insensitive jerks and i don't want to come across that is because i feel terrible for everybody. In the whole thing <hes> ken so rosie ruiz in the newest she passed away at the age of sixty six and she is certainly one of the most infamous athletes we've we've ever seen because she was pretty much as an athlete goes a nobody but she decided that as a poser she wanted to become an athlete and the boston marathon back in nineteen eighty she won the thing at least we thought so this keep in mind is is well before anybody had the little computer chips kind of on their shoelaces their sneakers so there was really no way to track it other than of visually oh he crossed the finish line first you win and so i guess her deal was that with a boat i don't know half a mile left in the race. She standing there with the rest of the crowd crowd the side of the street and the sidewalk and watching and waiting and i guess she didn't really realize that no woman had passed yet because it with men passing at this stage. I guess you thought well i guess everybody's going by but not one woman had passed by yet and she had no idea that she decides she jumping the race and finish it off off. She didn't wanna win. Apparently she told someone years later they say no one was more surprised than me about winning the thing. I just wanted to finish anyway so so she finishes i even though you know her. Resting heart rate is like above thirty beats higher than the average world class marathoner across the board or like she has a bigger legs like a little chunky in the legs there for someone who's a fricken like just ran the third fastest time any woman has ever run at a marathon on right and i guess she done the same thing the new york marathon like six months earlier. She took the subway from this to hear the start line and got right near the finishing. No one even noticed that one because she didn't win. I think that was her intent in boston but she accidentally one right right. You know what i gotta. Gotta admit steve. I remember hearing that when it happened. <hes> whatever that is thirty thirty thirty years ago thirty seven years ago or something when when all design and i'm twenty thirty nine years in twenty and in one thousand nine hundred eighty and the subway deal i gotta admit steve i'm sort of i always when i hear stuff like that harmless. You you know we were just talking about rural breaks for people to get into the hall of fame. They should have the cheating hall of fame okay they should have. They should have the hall of fame for people who come up with a really clever idea how to cheat else because hilarious when i heard the scam i'm like that's that's fantastic. I just sit in the sidewalk because there's five jillian people writing but i gotta nip in there you know and then i'm gonna win the race. I got an idea you know. You've got to be the fastest one out here. We're gonna grab a subway. They're pretty fast. You know i i love it. I love it. You know i'm i'm not i'm. I'm applauding the thoughts that goes into that goes into this stuff. You know i go back steve to several shows ago that we talked to when i cheated in high school you know and when i told that story how we went into the garbage. Can you know a couple of nights before our final exam and whipped up the bags of garbage and found all the photocopies back then they were called costano did okapis. They call them murmuring. They ran through that blooming and all that smell it get you high and we and we whip open these bags of garbage at midnight up my buddies placing the the first thing we grab is calculus final exam. You know we're going. Yes not the not the example if we want to lead your kids but i have a lot of people say that's crazy. Genius man what you did you know so. That's my reaction to that thing. When i heard it i'm gonna be that's brilliant good. Try nice try but you gotta give them marks. You know you gotta give the mark steve for for coming up with breath and i'm sort of back handedly but i i remember hearing that on this is that's a that's a helluva. Try elephant try to do what i'm trying to think of other examples the i think about athletes are or the job so like joe average jumping onto the field of play it happened in both both montreal and here in oughta where at practice with the haves and the sends the disengaged some somehow managed to find his way into the rink and took a few shots on the goal. He's decide through on a helmet and some skates in the stick and he's suddenly out there at n._h._l. Practice and the guys are like this going on here. I have no idea and and they both got a couple of shots in in both cases and it was pretty hilarious. No one really had any sensible. What who is that what's going on here. Yeah sorry hang on. I'm being told that it did not occur ottawa's while only in montreal who's he's not some random fan at sense practice. It was in fact tom pyatt. I remember <hes> that brings up a memory. I have of pat pat quinn addresses soul. I think was managing a team canada deal that one time maybe it was the olympic team and people are also to people all up in arms because i think he put his daughter in the picture big center ice picture and he threw his daughter in there and everyone was freaking <unk> out. You know saying get her out of there but what people forget was there was a really smart guy who photo bombed the whole thing who jumped in from the side of the ice. Well everyone's looking forward to the camera known sees this guy creep into the back of it jumping over the boards or got on ice and there's this famous picture of this no name guy who's got the final final with the trophy you know and i said that's fantastic. What a move you know. What a move. That's what the pittsburgh berg penguins blogger. I think it is that that found his way into the whole stanley cup celebrations with the pittsburgh penguins he basically found his way down to the ringside area and all the family members want to get on the ice with with their loved ones who've just wanna stanley cup and and the it was one group of but i don't know eight people and i don't know who they were with. Let's say sidney crosby and <hes> and basically so sits there and y'all were we're sidney crosby's family and sit waves them on and this one guy penguins blogger dissident tucks in behind them and gets onto the ice and then from there on out he has full access to the whole celebration he's taken photos with all the penguin players and all the management and the coaches and they'll just assume well this must be somebody's relative so oppose with them sure yeah and he said one of the greatest nights. I was like sure how about the prisoner guy steve for ontario. Oh smith for the cheat explained that story again for cheese. That's a running back for the minnesota vikings back in the day and his name's ontario smith and obviously he was a little concerned concerned when the guy came along looking at a urine test off of him and so they're very very stringent to like they'll get right there in the stall with you or they'll be right beside you at the urinal and make sure you're the one peeing and make sure you're not to swap out bags or something well ontario smith. I guess got word at this guy was coming in and so he basically had the whistle nature as it was called right so i guess the bag was tucked inside his pants clean in urine and he pulls out a fake penis and let's that sort of go into the sample and the the guy was taking the tests he was none. The wiser sure sure strong move stevie come on. There's soft that goes into that man credit where credit is due. I'm speaking of lance armstrong. We brought up earlier. I saw documentary on that on sort of cheating in the in in cycling the tour de france i forget what it's called right holy interesting thing and there was a company <hes> that sort of teamed up with this other guy or two in the and they came up with this way of putting a motor in <hes> the bikes in the bisexuals yeah yeah it was like the the amount of time and effort that went into distinguish it was cheating for sure and can you imagine the design that you have to make put on one of those bikes that that everything on it is only a square inch you know there's no bulk on any of those bikes and somehow they came up with this thing where they put it in the brakes of the key or put in the gears of the pedals and you know they took it took months and months to do it and several tries but every time i hear there's a side of me that goes you cheating bastards. You know i got my first reaction is why that's clever. That's you know that's that's pretty smart. Idea there for sure. Let's get caught. You know we need to get to our computing web whole it's very regional today. I know we're on the world wide web of this is going going to be something exclusive for the ottawa region where and this is all this all came about because my i'm a bit picky about my skate sharpening. Yes and the the guy that i use is like the soup nazi we'll call them. The skate nazi you remember the soup nazi from seinfeld right i do of course yes got his little procedures the skates here and so on so forth and <hes> he's very grumpy. He's a grumpy dude and i'd say you know what i am. Not the stage where i dread going. I don't like doing business with people people when i dread going there so i'm looking for a new place so where in the ottawa region today sharpen skates better than anywhere else everybody's got a guy or a person a guru through and <hes> there's all kinds of them in the ottawa region and i got <hes> flooded on twitter when i put that pull out there so for starters. I want to thank everybody for their submissions their votes but i now have in front of me your skate sharpening medalists mm-hmm. We have a four way tie for the bronze medal and let me say this two four six eight ten ten twelve probably about sixteen suggestions <hes> and everybody get varying levels of votes but i had four that that <hes> tied for the bronze medal and that'd be for the best gate sharp owners in the ottawa region. Come up here to cram yourself up on the podium here afford via spokesman edges delude arena goulburn rec center valid cats and kevin from final pass us in gloucester. Congratulations won't get lebron's map then you got over time in bar haven finishing their silver medal and finally finally your gold medals aged be sharpen bar haven oh my god and what a grueling journey. It's been a marathon not a sprint. You gotta take it one skate at a time. Well thank everybody who voted congratulations to all our winners you know in a way you're all winners in another more accurate way. The sharp sharp was the winner by the way the web poll today was brought to you by rb computing and you can vote on that poll daily by the way of new questions every day on twitter herat t._s._n. Steve and as for rb computing they are really great and making sure your computers electronics are protected from some of oh surges that happened during bad storms and this is the time of year. We get those really bad sudden storms. They can wreak havoc on computers. Electronics and rb computing will make sure everything everything is protected and safe right now for a limited time get a twenty percent discount on all services for listeners who come to mention that they heard this ad on the project rb rb computing dot com one oh six men in place in bells corners and james. You're telling me off the air. You had a bad run in with a golf gulf equipment guy i remember getting my. I remember getting my golf. Clubs regrouped again. It's a it's a pretty straightforward procedure. These they just cut off the other grips they wrap tape around the metal squeeze a little gas on there and then they slip the new grip over there and a <hes>. I don't know what it costs probably cost you fifty sixty seventy bucks you know eight bucks a grip or maybe more anyway. I got my club back and the guy put on used grips. The guy put on old grips from some somewhere else. How do you think he'd get away with that no and so. I got my clubs not only that but for them were different. You know different grip grip. I said these are is. They're used man. He's he goes way better than the ones you had you know and i'm sitting there sort of accepting this bullshit from this guy and the lot the short of it is steve. I'm walking to my cargo. Okay i guess you know and pay them paid them like they were new grips and salesman ever go best sales guy ever that sales guy ever. There's no doubt about about it. You know what's better than your old grips as well new grips that you're paying for that. You didn't give me yeah that's right. I just you know the other. The other time it got really scammed was <hes>. I had a excuse me when i first moved out here. I worked for molson in one thousand nine hundred five. I worked there for a few years. Here's a company car and then i left the gig i quit to to go into business with some other buddies of mine but immediately great gave up a mass of expense account and a company car and so i'm sitting there ruin my life. What am i going to do and and i got i got drunk and i walked across the street from this bar. I drank out and there was a car for sale and it's got an auto body shop there the guy who had a car out in front you know that he fixed anyway. I bought this thing it was a pinto station wagon and back in the day steve back in the day alpine stereo systems where the really cool guys in their cars member go ahead and alpine system it'll and so i had this alpine system from my other car than i won the guy to install it and this car was sore. Cac was sold is like. I can't even they're not even room in the walls of the of the back act put speakers in with these alpine speakers so i put them in boxes one thousand nine hundred seventy so these big box speakers in the back alpine system anyway eventually the car. The car didn't work very well. You know and blow up no never blew up. I remember that old story but the gas tank no it didn't didn't so i decided to sell it to get rid of it and a guy looked at it and said well you'll probably i brought it to an auction and <hes> of curiosity. I went to the auction that day to see what by car would fetch. You know i always needed money. I was always broke and the guy said well. We'll probably get a thousand bucks for it or something like like that. You know i said that'd be great. That'd be great and he said they are not a problem so it's kind of like that big auction on t._v. They do the same thing or they that that that guy was at auction in arizona the huge where the wheel the cars up you know but these are super nice cars so this auctions of normal auction where you know they're dragging up shit you know and anyway the car worked fine steve. What drove it there and the guy you know so i had to pay him. He said look it is it's it's two hundred bucks. You have to pay you know regardless of what we get for them. Is it okay we'll go go. Get the best deal you can and i'm waiting for my car to come stephen. They pull it up there with a tow truck hook. Nobody else's car was like that. They drove it up and the guy goes yeah. We got this piece of shit pinto hair by eighty dollars to thank you sold for their. Are you know by the way jim just before you leave. Give make sure you go to the cashier and leave us. You're two hundred i mean i. I know what happened here. Steve the guy bought it himself the auction in house for eighty and probably sold for eight or nine hundred bucks or a thousand gamers yeah. We don't know what happened. Jim your car conked out in the last two and a half minutes when you show up here and we we pulled it up onto the ramp. We have to use a tow truck. I don't know how people sleep at night to be honest. There's so many scammers at their so many so many scammers out there and when you buy a pinto it just seems symbolic. It just seems like so symbolic of you bought yourself a nice pinto the one vehicle nickel. They got a reputation for blowing up yeah. You know it's funny because i had this great job. You know i can't i was twenty three. I moved out here. I got a full time job with molson with all the perks and this is great. This job was steve. I think back in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. I think my salary was forty. Grand my starting okay big dolman back a great job company car expense discount clothing allowance seasons tickets to the oilers says to them travel <unk> access travel expenses. You know you never have to pay for a hotel. Tell you when you travel full on full on car covered gas cards. Everything you know and i know this now is apparent with my kids. My kids sir now. My youngest is seventeen and my daughter's twenty three and my middle guys nineteen and you know as a parent all you're worried about. Is this same speech that my parents were giving me that. I rolled is it is get a job. Get a job where you have a pension. Get a job ryava pinching okay. You'll you'll you'll appreciate it later. You may not understand it now. Oh give and take in this world and i remember my father. This is the greatest gig ever because our kids my my. My son is delayed. Jungles tangles not very smart. There's your mother and i've been panicking. How are you going to possibly get through a day on your own and then i have this great gig and it was is this fabulous relief for my mother and father that you know you can. It's really hard to get. It's tough to get hired on molson and i managed to do that and it's really hard hard to get fired from once you're in there is a million ways. You can go and you walked away. That's the company. I quit right my dad. My dad flew out in for that purpose only right. I was talking on the phone yeah. I'm not a company guy. Dad you know. I don't want to be the president one day and he's like no no no no right yeah. I'm go into business that he goes. You can't run a business. Are you kidding me. He said you're not smart enough. Okay okay okay. You're nowhere near smart. You have no accurate to do anything else but put your head down and work for somebody else. I said i'm going to do it and he flew out here. Her and i said don't worry about a dad. Things will be fine. He used to come out here a lot and visit me and my parents did and i would always pull up. My big pontiac pre e._s._p._n. My company car to pick them up and then he came out and he flew out here in a panic and so steve i said dad don't worry about it. I'll pick up with the airport. You're going to see how things are going to be great and i pick them up in a ten year old pinto station wagon with plaid seats steering well and he got in the curry goes. Oh okay now. I see this is going to go really good here in large son go pal way to go. You know oh my god awed hispanic. What you've put your dad to unbelievable or regret. Ladies and gentlemen on this show would not be possible without you and of course jim kaye ford were ford employee. Pricing is back for a limited time. You pay what ford employees pan select new vehicles. Now is the time with the best selection to get the forty. 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You were the best possible customer service and it'd be a few chuckles tackles along the way contact glenn today at glen walton dot com now to finish up today. James talk a little bit about the idea of relegation in north american team. Sports is the story in sl dot com today and this is going after major league baseball with all these teams that don't appear to be even. I'm trying like the baltimore orioles they've been doing. The fire sale and they're getting worked over again this season on a regular basis. What of the idea yeah that the premier league in soccer is done forever that you have like the bottom three or four teams just basically kicked out of the league dropped down a level allow the the best teams from the lovable load a slight upward and kind of keep. Everybody sharp and you might even look at it in the n._h._l. A team like the ottawa senators that look like they're gonna have a bottom of the season standing or a bottom of the schedule sorry bottom of the standings season one of those things that start with us <hes> <hes> so would that you think potentially work if yeah obviously have some major logistical problems but if you've got past all that would that inspire teams to be better corporate citizens more beholden to their fan base to try and be better. Is there anything getting to that. I got the solution steve for it. I'm borrowing from from years ago but i don't think you can relegate them pro sports. I don't think he can do it. The the the fan base would be what you know i. I just don't think it would work the premier league the premier league in soccer. Does it yeah i. I guess it does but <hes> z. Get sort of the the best of the worst in that this. Let's look at baseball steve. Okay <hes> where you get. <hes> you know you you get teams out of it very quickly very quickly like the jas j. right. They got fifteen games back in in the first fucking in thirty games or something or whatever they did so they're done. They're done for the year. The bills a little different. They can seem to go a little deeper and there's more guys who have a shot. The got the wild card thing that they brought it. Here's what you do steve to improve the baseball thing. Is you have a split season. Okay just split the season and there when i say that there are two separate seasons in one year in one year baseball and i think it would solve a big problem problem. I think it would solve a huge problem that by the way is that is the idea of john smoltz. The longtime atlanta braves great pitcher right. They did it steve when i when i moved here <hes> the trappers were having to trappers aaa affiliate of the california angels back then and that's how they did the aaa the pacific coast league was split season. It was brilliant. They were forced to do it. In major league baseball to back in one thousand nine hundred eighty one which would be the year only year the montreal expos has made the playoffs they had a midseason work stoppage and so the season basically was split into so yeah the first half winner and then you have the second can half winner division and those two teams took they got. What do they call that a miniseries or something before they got into the you know the national league championship series of the phillies and the expos that year met in this miniseries and the winner would go onto the national league championship series at the expo is one that lost dodgers. I think it's a restart obviously for everybody right. <hes> the end goal steve is winning the world championship. That's that's that's the that's the end goal of that at any time and excuse me what you have. Now is the so the baltimore orioles still have that end goal to win. There will win the world series but it's for next year so it's you know we're. We're going to set ourselves up here. <hes> you know for the for the draft and shit like that right right so yeah. I think you solve all that. I say there's a reset. <hes> and we all start at the same i think you would you know if you're the talk to me. If you're oreos right now or the blue jays fill the stadium. Could you imagine right now. If if if they were to three games back you know <hes> <hes> i don't know how you decide who gets into the playoffs or not but certainly if you win any one of those seasons you know you can figure it out somehow it has its issues as well but it certainly would <hes> would be cool fifty on the middle of the summer when you start getting into baseball that you know everybody has the slate wiped clean gene and <hes> yeah i. I don't hate that idea at all. I mean i also don't hate the relegation idea but the relegation idea like you know you would never get the players to buy into that. You'd never get the owners to buy into that. It works in soccer because it's always been that way long before the big money even ruled in so everybody you know accepted it and the i think the disparity between you know the premier league and the next level down isn't as big as the n._h._l. Is to the american hockey league or major league baseball is to aaa blais but <hes>. I do like that concept. It'd be neat to do that. <hes> but yours is certainly doable. Your idea is not you know fraught with logistic. It's scott issues you know in terms of is it fair <hes> but i think it would make it a lot more exciting for a lot of the fan base yeah. It's the same reason steve steve. They don't do <hes> <hes> aggregate scoring and baseball. You know they do that in soccer and hate it so i agree it's going if if you get ten runs <hes> you know if you have a series best of seven or best of five and in the end it's the guys who got the most runs no they don't do that. We're we're we're baseball could solve their problem if not a split season which i think they should do the other one is the the reason the n._h._l. Steve is super super-popular and the fans are die hard fences because they put sixteen teams into the playoffs right half teams make the playoffs and and and baseball hi. This is laura. You know like like it or not the n._f._l. Almost all the teams make the playoffs right a budget teams make the playoffs. There's only nine teams in the league the majority of the plus six okay so you got. You got six hundred nineteen. Make it like it or not. It gives people a lotta life. You know <hes> the c._f._l.'s always been sort of suffer for that where people are laughably laughing at it but it's not a bad move. It's not a bad blue. Due at a baseball put sixteen teams in the playoffs. Yeah i'm not. I'm not a fan of that one so much because that's only the justify along regular season like that with in that <hes> you know it means something. I mean if you're just going to let everybody into the playoffs then what's the point of having such a long regular season right. Okay okay <unk> but maybe a couple more in yeah now steve. That's my be plan. The ape plan is a split season and then you've got a way you better attention for the for baseball right. Now i like it and and you know what else the show is over. Let's do a split. Let your i like it. I can get a little reset what you could look back and go jesus jim. We gotta get rid of four things that you said today. Okay we gotta get rid of four or five things that you know. I think he did okay today on deciding on halves though which which half i think was the was the winner i think the second half of the show is the winner because all that cody c._c. Talk just made me sad yeah that was that was terrible anyway. What's against. There's a bunch of highlights of stuffed. Sta said that people are gonna man that guy's good good bring it. You're you're the new and and improve jim jerome. That's what i call you yeah. I've got to go deal with my neighbor now steve. This is my final thought. Is this the one that wants to knock you down. That's that's his wife. Oh okay so i got my neighbor. My i've spoken involving before my eighty four year old neighbor who embarrassingly is constantly cleaning up front yard and my backyard okay is it it'd be nice left it in such a state of squalor that he can't take super bernice guy super guy he. He's you know comes all the time sweets my walkway as he's waters my garden put the garden in he waters he sweeps. It's my driveway all the time. He does my garage door. It's metal the metal clad me. He oils it so it gets real shiny and and i'm always embarrassed. I'm gonna close my blinds. I'm like fuck here. He comes again jesus math. You know i'm twice. As old as i am and i can't do it fast enough. You know i said i gotta get out there and do this work so what i'm what i'm doing steve to solve that problem is he will be here in about ten minutes again. 'cause there's about two leaves that are on my driveway driveway and he'll be sweeping up again. So what i'm gonna do is go see him and say look at i can't you're doing a real shitty job. Clean oh shit okay. You got a fricken buff up. This guy wants to kiss around and always beer hamra. Gotta deal you. Gotta stay in shape. You're an old bag right now. <hes> kenny okay. You're gonna die unless you keep you know. You've got to keep doing this and you've got to do it twice a day and by the way you missed a spot when you re shined up the garage door okay so let's get with kenny okay. Let's do it yeah. You're right. You're wait results. You're gonna clean my eavesdrops do and and and fixed pot lights at one of them get up on the ladder there. It's only twenty feet up with a second and check. Check the tiles on the roof. I can't he's been living even high off the hog the sweeping and cleaning for free. It's time you tuned him up for sure exactly enough. You're you're goth there kenny boy yeah that's it and give me back the case of beer. I gave you the start. I'll get a hold back until i see how well you're doing the right thing to do. Good night everyone we'll see.

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Welcome to April Fooled!

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Let's Glow Again!

Glowing Up

1:22:31 hr | 3 months ago

Let's Glow Again!

"Uh-huh! Hey guys were so excited that you're here listening to the new version of glowing up, but before we get started you wanNA. Take a little time at the top to talk about. You know what's going on in our world because. Times are crazy. It's fucked up. That's for sure. It's it's all over the place. I I will let you start caroline, but yeah, we just we want into. To, just take a minute and just check in with you guys and let you know where we stand on a couple of things. First of all, obviously a stern ir to white ladies, and it really doesn't matter what we have to say, but it goes without saying, and it should always go without saying that black lives matter. White supremacy in all its forms is. An invasive at every level in this country. And we encourage our listeners are glazed who we knew. Our who we know are like minded Queens who want to abolish systemic racism to get involved, and there are all kinds of ways to get involved for resources, actionable steps a list of funds by city and more visit bit dot, l., y.. Black lives action nuts an amazing living breathing document compiled by CAR Lissa Johnson. And We highly recommend it. And we know that you guys tune into glowing up for a laugh, and for some beauty tips and to hear. How were what we're eating? And we just want to say that. We know that and we're grateful for that, but it's also important for us to just let you know where we stand on these issues, and just you know again. We're white. What we have to say doesn't really matter, but we wanted you guys to know that black lives matter and that know just to give you a little bit of information on on that. And we also wanted to talk about. It's a global pandemic. You guys. Cova nineteen has killed over one hundred thousand Americans, and that is that's heartbreaking. It's horrible and Caroline. I are really sad and like it feels weird to make comedy podcast during this time, but at the same time we also. This is. Part of how we cope is talking to each other about things, and we hope that maybe you'll. You know? Get some relief by listening to our podcast, but we also like our hearts are with everyone who has lost loved ones who has lost friends who's just struggling financially struggling with any kind of effects of this pandemic We you know. We, it's not lost on us. Is All we wanted to say and I've lost some people that I was close with this in A. This is just a horrible situation, and I'm just GONNA. Keep rambling if I. don't stop there, but just know that. We're also so grateful to our central workers out there shouted to my best friend Kristen. WHO works at trader? Joe's who sends me funny pictures from live from the scene every now and then. God. I'll never forget when at the peak of pandemic at a pandemic crazy shopping when like everything was sold out, I-. Kristen posted a picture of like the one thing that was remaining in the store. Do you remember what it was? Way I can't remember tell me it was blue cheese dressing. One thing and trader. Joe's that no one wanted even God. We all agree on one thing I know our country can come together over that, but on that note okay okay. Doing the show. Hey Astor. Carolina's they you owe. ME. Really doing this. I feel like I'm getting back together with my accent. Everyone's so excited about it even though it's nothing like an ex, because we've been friends and talking almost every day since we stopped recording. That's happening girl. We are going back into our old dirty habits. I can't wait. It's like I feel like I'm putting on comfy old stinky socks. stink like they've been. They've been wet and they sat out wet too long and now they just have like a must to them. Oh, they small, really bad. Globe's put army put on your musty his outfit and grab a coconut milk. And join us for the. First episode of the new glowing. Even though there's nothing new about it, it's still us. You're really downplaying it. This is glowing, new and improved okay. We are back at it. It's a different time. It's going to sound a little different. It's going to feel a little different. We've got fun new different segments. That were so excited about. And we are recording. This is kind of the first time we're committing to recording not together right like so you're quarantining out in the desert. Where you're doing to explain where you are. Unfortunately, the government won't allow me to reveal information. As. Scam! The scam went too far and you are being followed. I am in the witness protection program due to some returning at Sephora. I returned a few, too many things and I heard Victoria secret was also. I am in the desert and I'm zooming with you and you're located in. I'm in La at home in La. And we're both you know pretty much quarantining. will for starters are. Business is not really in existence right now, so it's not like we really have the choice. Low. Things have died down. Esther and I have been. Doing, blowing up on the phone. Catching up and talking all things as exercise we're like. This doesn't make sense. Why don't we record these conversations and bring it back in a new and improved and exciting way? Absolutely and I want to dive. Right in and ask you. What have you eaten today so far? Sorry put you on. Are You mad? I'm I'm I'm shocked embarrassed, but I'm gonNA tell you. First of all I start had a big coffee, a big fat coffee like waking up at. Do you WanNa hear him. I do but I. Just want to clarify what your coffee situation is because you said that you are not near your espresso machine, because you're not home so I'm very curious. The specifics so I really rediscovered a love for hold fashioned drip coffee. Let's talk about that I'm killing with the Mr Coffee. Okay. This is the Mr Coffee that's. In an AIRBNB, it might be in your house. It's like I barely care about coffee I just. I just want to tap something easy. That's what this is. Right I have glowed I. have glowed up the drip coffee machine. I have found a way to make it my own. First of all, you have got to hear this, because when I'm at my parents house I don't my espresso machine and I. my parents are like strict about driving me to get my own days, so if I if I had my own. Just. Please keep going I need this. I need this to really work out. If you don't have your espresso, you're like Gremlin. Thick erupt into abundant hair starts screaming. I just have no purpose in life. Okay? Go first of all coffee machines I think my aversion to them comes out of fear and I think a lot of millennials might identify with this I am afraid of drip coffee machines. I never really got how to use them I think they look like gay stormtroopers. I think they're scary. They have unintended vibe. But. The Way I do it first of all the timer function. Now this is something. An Espresso machine doesn't have, and you can really use this to your advantage. I said it every night to brew at seven am and the only thing that gets me out of bed at seven am is knowing. That the coffee is brewing in the other room, but what's in the coffee? Let me tell you I am treating myself. To Stump, town and other nice brands at sprouts. And I am. I do a mix I, do have some town half thrive market, Hazelnut Ground Coffee Oh, and then I tap in a fuck load of cinnamon into the basket. into the grounds into the grounds, thank you okay. Great Great Great, so my coffee is ready. Seven Ten am I'm I'm excited. I'm about to drink up. Here's what I do. Have you brush your teeth? I go back and forth on the way. That's a yes or no answer. I have the right to an attorney. You haven't read me my Maranda rates so. I, I usually brush my teeth. After coffee. But I? Just think it's weird to drink coffee when your mouth all mindy. I think it's weird to drink coffee when your mouth is all. Bedroom overnight morning knee. Yvonne Musk. Well. Three way I can't believe you. Will I'm so sorry? No, no, no, no, no I'm so sorry here, but just I just WanNa I. WanNa confirm so. You're drinking your coffee down with your like morning bacteria. You're just swale re swallowing all the FACTORIA that was trying to escape him a lot. People and the naturopathy community called oil pulling so I don't know what it. Like jealous of you, because that to me is the one big. Thing. That keeps you from getting out I just bit because I'm so excited. It keeps you from getting out of bed. Is knowing like? Oh, I could just go to my coffee, but I can't. I have so many steps in between getting to my coffee machine I have to brush my teeth, but my context in most importantly is brush my teeth. Go the bathroom. Get dressed so I'm just really envious. That really true sounds a coffee truly as your number one in the morning I would say I go back and forth first of all. You can cut down those steps a lot by just not brushing your teeth. That, right, there is going. Save you a lot of time. I will say though it's a slippery slope. I'm the first to admit it. There have been mornings when. I, do forget. And let's just say I go the whole day and I i. don't brush my teeth until night I'm not proud of that will. There's almost no point in brush your teeth at that point once the coffee has cleaned you out. I don't blame you know. My morning routines. Let's just say they're not regimented. They're not hygienic in court. I'm not observing. Like hospital rules of sterility. Hospital. I'm a human being. Okay where where we so he gets your. So this is what's key I. Take my Mug and pour in I would say a quarter or a third of it is. Okay okay I'm back on track. Listen wait a second. Sometimes I have a some fun non dairy creamer I got it sprouts unsweetened, almond, milk, hazelnut, cream, or something. Maybe I put. A dash of that very alchemists kind of person I need to be mixing and dumping in stirring. I will put that that Mug in the microwave for thirty seconds. Well, take it out the hot coffee. Pour right on top. Oh I forgot to put cinnamon cinnamon in the hot milk base. Maybe a couple drops Stevia maybe. And then the coffee shop and I have a lot to. That sounds really good and I like how. Your. I! It sounds like a lot less. I'm out to have it within twenty minutes. While, that's really really good. I'm curious. Do you ever sip the coffee black and? Have a cinema and no I'm just going to. Coffee would have its own sedimentation. This the grounds that would just be my final question, but John. My boyfriend had drinks. A black says he tastes cinnamon. Okay. But if someone drinks coffee black all the time, do really trust them. You know it's like they're psychotic to begin with dots like when people are like you barely taste alcohol in this and you're like. No, it's just whatever. You're an alcoholic now. Guilty of that. I'm like I love this cocktail like I can barely taste the pure poison in it I know I feel like that, is you? Have you have said that to me before where you're like? He's a smell it and like. My whole face is burning. US like you're putting your face over like an industrial street great. Anyway now while we're talking about coffee, I would just like for those who've for people who haven't been glued to the news I would like to share what I do for my morning coffee, which is I, use my. Bary six breasts Espresso machine that we have had almost too happy years with, and you are not sponsored by them in any way. This is out of the of your own heart. Yes, I provide fill that providing the specifics is my you know. Part of my moral code. Up and coming company, they need your help. So! I do a a a double shot of espresso. And then I add half coconut milk, half Oat milk back on Oatley for my oatmeal a Barista version. That's huge. Yeah, I know, it is kind of weird. I I switched over back to only and then my coconut. Is that a Roy. D.. It's like it's like a very authentic Thai coconut milk. It's very very creamy, very thick and I like to do that because i. like getting the healthy fats from the coconut and the cuts, the coconut taste out, so I'm really. I'm really getting. A little bit of healthy fat because we love fat at going up. It yes, so, and then I. It's summer ish, so I'll do ice to that. I mean just throwing. Season's around all of a sudden. Minded still, early, March. I've lost all sense of time and space. Dad. So that's and I have really come to rely on. Khalifa has a almond milk iced coffee product that comes in a big one of those big curvy jugs. Oh, it's sweetened. But in the afternoons, a little bit of that over ice. Maybe I'll water down with a bit of almond milk and a sprinkle of this is key Cardamon. And then I have it's a cold brew. Almond milk cardamom situation and all SIP on that throughout the afternoon. You have me really wanting to order cardamom because that just I don't know what that that is making me think of, but it's making me think of such a specific. Thing that card in and I do you know? What is cardamom in frequently like what does that popular in? CARDAMOM is used in. Persian cooking a lot. I know this isn't an Okra video podcast by just flipped my hair triumphantly. and. CARDAMON would be like in a rose, water, ice, cream or something. Others also what call d which is a coffee shop in Atwater village? They have cardamom cold brew, which is. Really fucking good. That sounds really good. It would be like an a la like a I would say like a Middle Eastern kind of desert situation. Okay I love one. I feel like it's probably in Pumpkin pie spice rate. That's possible. Yeah, Okay I've tried to look up quickly. If I had in mid wedding terms, yeah, Pumpkin, spice or Chai. Do. I put this in mid in Skokie. altered. So that's my coffee situation. I've made it work I'm very. So a what have I eaten today though? Should I still tell you yes. The question on everyone's mind, I'll start off with. I entered in to a love affair with serial during quarantine unreal to even consider that that's true. Wow, I I would just like to say that. My look the way that I dress in quarantine people have called it. The my titus shirts are clothing. The eat cereal out of the box in. So, you're coming for me though what what what's going on with this? What cereals hear me out? Okay, hear me out. I, definitely I'll be the first to admit I. Don't think cereal is the healthiest way to start your day. I think that being said I think quarantine is all about feeling good. Doing, what makes you happy in cereal? Is that for me and I? Want again here out here again. It's all about a mix for me. and. I'll I one of my favorite series of all time is nature's Path Sunrise crunchy vanilla? It's gluten free. They sell it at sprouts and whole foods. It is this mix of like popped. Keen Wa like Amaranth puffs like all kinds of crazy shit, and it has the best vanilla taste, very a lot of tiny chunks of so fucking good and I'll mix that with some mix with something unsweetened and I keep it small. Do it out of a very small bowl. Then here's the key. Esther. I need you to listen carefully. Are you listening I'm listening? Rosa! Frozen Blueberries, and then almond milk, and everything gets frosty Sherbert T. What when you wait a second, okay? Do you end up biting into cold frozen blueberries, though that's scaring me I I'd say they're more just going straight down the gullet, but the. But the milk becomes this purple and I. CAN'T I cannot explain this enough. It gets frosty Birdie Froth. And it's blue and it's sweet, and it's like it's all really good. I mean do. Are you feeding a entertaining toddler in your quarantine? This is green. I excuse me excuse. That's real rich. That's real rich coming from a woman that some describe as human cereal. That's. That's a real, fucking rich. But I WANNA. Say I I'm. I'm not a creature of habit. I'm not like you Esther I. Haven't been having. I make huge salads every night and I'll always have extra so sometimes I have morning breakfast salads from the night before with a cracked egg on top. Wow! That's really impressive. Well I'm just excited that you're into cereal I. Love Cereal I love Nature's path as well I love their brand of raisin, Bran. In that that is so dangerous for me to keep in the house. Because I will go. It's that and barbecue chips that one those are in my possession. During this quarantine, the whole package goes like as soon as it's a race to get it out of the house. Because I I have even as fast as possible. It's so delicious. And it really does get me off hearing that you have a very specific favorite cereal. Oh, you haven't experienced true joy until you wake up and find yourself on the couch elbow deep. Bear handing fisting box of cereal, you haven't lived and if I have cereal in the house, it will end up with me deep visting fisting a box of cereal. If you don't know your favorite cereal off the top of your head right now, you don't know yourself. You know like I would almost say. Grab a mirror. Spread your legs open. Look at your vagina, and and then get to get to know yourself that way first and then figure out your favorite cereal and year. You've officially become a person. It's like three questions for woman. What does your vagina look like on the inside? How long is your? How long has your cycle and? What's your favorite cereal? It's too good. It's too real. What about you? What are your breakfast? Go to wreck fasts. I. The work breakfast is complicated for me right now. Is. It is because. I. Look. I. I'm trying to get on track. You know I'm kind of I'm. People say Quarantine Day fifty seven I say! Diet starts. Tomorrow Day fifty seven like I. Just keep pushing the goal post, but look. Okay, I'll tell you right now. The thing that that makes me thrive so hard is I do an apple and peanut butter slice up a really nice, crispy, sweet Apple Fuji Apple, and then some of my you know senior coups, organic, dark, roasted, crunchy peanut butter, because that's the only peanut butter that all consume, it's the best one and I just that is just satisfies me in every way so I'll do that for breakfast. Sometimes, sometimes, not sometimes. That's more of a snack today. Actually made myself a bowl. This is buckle up because this is kinda crazy I had some Phero in my fridge I made that last few days, so I did a bullet. Phero Zucchini and cabbage and I did that with an apple and peanut butter, so you had savory and sweet. Yeah I wanted to have a bigger breakfast today because I'm I need to. I need to get to like more meal oriented eating, and not just a free for all from. Morning till nine. The free for all is. Not Good for me right now. Right I call it the constant Bacchanalia of quarantine eating. where I basically envisioned the kitchen as a revolving door, a constant source of Nutrients like you said. There are no limitations. There are no restrictions. There is no schedule. There's nowhere to be. There's nowhere to be, but the kitchen. Only yeah, there's nowhere to need to have a flat stomach four and three hours. I have to say this is a habit I've noticed. I've picked up. Is when I'm hungry and it's maybe meal meal ish time. I'll go. Oh, time for a big snack and then like. Then I'll deal with this meal later so I've had like a meal-sized snack and I'm still expecting a meal. The next. Couple of hours so basically my day will go breakfast meal-sized snack. Full lunch meal-sized snack dinner. and. You got ta I'm loving it, yes. That sounds about right, yeah! The entitlement to the march wanted he's a food that I am expressing is really disturbing. I need. Do you put in place? De Program Myself. Yeah. Hey guys ready Jason here in whether you're working from home or working on your fitness. You want what you're listening to to be. What your listening to. We don't want to catch glimpses and little bits. BITs. Bits of what your kids listen to your anyone else. Everyone needs a great pair of wireless ear buds, but before you go drop in one hundred bucks on a pair. You need to check out the wireless ear buds from Ray Con. They're amazing. I got my ray. You're buzzed. Out everything wreck, abroad star for about a half price of the other ones, premium wireless ear buds on the market, and they sound just as amazing as the top audio brands. You know the newest model. 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WanNa think about what I go. Click great now Can we get right into it and talk about our favorite products? I want. Could we each do one like heroes skincare product and one hero makeup products? Since quarantine started out I understand that not everyone is quarantining right now, but I'm kind of just calling this period in time these last three months quarantine, but I know like shout out to our central workers, and I know a lot of people have not been able to stay home so i. don't want anyone to feel left out, but. I just wanted to say that quarantine means just kind of like you know march to June. Refers generally to like the apocalypse living gay. Okay, that works too yeah pretty much God quarantine makeup in quarantine skin-care. It's a different beast entirely I mean. I've got to say I. AM absolutely struggling for mask knee AK mask acne. seen a lot of threads on twitter about like people like essential workers were masks, and they're struggling with it. So I mean I'm seeing acne, stress and mass related acne flare ups I'm I'm all over the place and and also I'm doing make presumes like I have a whole news zoom makeup routine. Wow. Do you do it in front of the Mirror Actually do it in front of a screen since you know you're just. Screen I think I know what I need. It's all about like Kabuki theatre makeup zoom. Zoo camera doesn't it's not one to pick up nuance. Let's say. Your makeup for the last row and It's all about the big color. Big Choices exaggerated Fisher. In all seriousness in all seriousness, it's really about a clearly. In all seriousness I'm. Most seriousness Zun can't even zoom can't help me. Nothing will set you off like looking at a flipped version of yourself on zoom. It's like you know when you look at the opposite version of your face. It's like fucks me up. Zoom makeup in all seriousness is about a very clean even base, and I'm not talking a full face, a foundation I'm talking the bare minimum. Just get the very basic imperfections kind of blur them a little a really nice cream blush on the cheeks. and. A little swipe of eyeliner Mascara I mean it's quick honey I mean. You'd think I'm saving time by not brushing my teeth, but I. Don't I need all the time I can. You'd be so funny as if you had like digitally created zoom almost like a face filter. So that like when you were sitting in front of your camera, it had like all the things blurred and all the makeup on, and then you like. Get up from the meeting. Because it's still on the screen and people are scared. That's not a bad idea or like groucho. It's like the Groucho Marx novelty glasses the equivalent of that, but with like. Some makeup, some color, something or just like a moustache, so you know. I have a whole routine for that. Leads into. My hero product. Which is the? It cosmetics your skin, but better CC coat color, correcting full coverage cream. This is something I've always kept in my gym bag in this tube lasts forever. And when I say you put less than a grain of rice I'm not kidding. So little. It's so high coverage and it again. It's SPF fifty a physical sunscreen. and has anti-aging. Chock full of some hydrating serum. And I put on I'm telling you half a grain of rice, so my screen goes on, and I put the smallest Pinprick amount rubbing my fingers DAB at all over, and let it Kinda Rub it into my wet sunscreen face and I'm glowing. Everything is blurred and I get compliments left and right on zoom. What's yes? This. This is this is a cult classic? I highly. This is like you go to the website, and it's one of those products has like eight hundred thousand reviews. It's such a classic. How do we get our shade in? The PGA Noble pan-demic. You can figure it out. It's pretty. They have a pretty good shade range I can. Figure it out. It's pretty like it's user friendly. I love Bush have rose I'm that. Let me that's crazy. Yeah, Okra! I'm medium and this stuff like it just gets the job done. That's all I have to say. Well I'm really impressed. It's a finger finger product fingers. My hero quarantine. Makeup piece is I feel weird. Because this is more a makeup favorite, I've discovered in quarantine is not necessarily A. Quarantine most need I kind of have two things if that's okay? I okay, my. Okay, so my best makeup. Discovering quarantine is no one should be surprised by this. It's a brand that I stand forever. It's co- sauce I it just. Pretty much every product they make they make it right and I. Really loved them and I'm just like inspired by everything they do, but so this is this. This is the Cosa cosmetics bronze earlier and I have it. I word in light neutral bronze. Somehow this is the greatest that. Ever tried like I pretty much I've had some favorite hero over my years, but this is. It's just so. Like. The pigment is almost like spread out in a good way, whereas you couldn't dust this on your face, and you can pretty much do no wrong. You know when you your bronze or in the new like Oh God. I put way too much. I look like I just got a spray Tan or like I. Just don't look right like you almost can't do that with this bronze. It's just very very natural, looking and I believe it's considered. Powder cream formula which you know. Like I don't really know the science behind all that stuff, but I just I put this on with a big fluffy brush, and it gives me the that right amount of like just bronze kiss. That again. You will never know I'm wearing it, but you can just just kind of elevates my. Skin tone a little bit and a really nice way, and they have I think they have three shades. And I I, just I stand. For this bronze are. Held it so when you say it elevates your natural skin tone. It's kind of like it takes you from white to white plus. I would almost say like. It takes you from. Pale it takes me from Pale to Oh, maybe she just like spent the day at the beach, but she doesn't burn she tans. I have more questions for you because I haven't used this product yet, but I've read a lot about it online. A lot of people say it's the high end natural version of butter browser, and as a butter, bronze or Aficionado do care to comment. I believe I'm the one who said that. Moore. Actually have to go. One hundred percent. I mean even the packaging is like that. Saying like grew pretty green color from browser where I'm almost like all right like a just too on the nose, but it is, and it doesn't have the scent which as much as I love that. Send of Butter Lebron's. From Physicians, formula and I. I really sweet, yeah, the sickening sweet coconut small, which is so good and addicting, but I don't I just don't. I don't know like you know me I'm I'm anti fragrance, so the fact that this is a fragrance free more natural version. It's just so perfect like I. Just don't think. I'll ever need another bronze, or and before this. I was also into the backup bronze. But again I would just say this one. Is Even. More of a dispersed pigment. If that makes sense, you swipe it on, and you're never gonNA. Have clump of bronze. It's going to be very evenly dispersed in a natural way, and that's what I love about. This I've got to ask. I've heard this product does have shimmer which is a huge. It's a bit of a red flag for being in terms of bronze. What's the Shimmer with the Shimmer Payoff Lake? People are so concerned about Shimmer you know. Yeah, we are esther because. Highlights skin imperfections. My ladies with acne scars and big pours will hear me out on this one. A shimmer will literally shine a spotlight on any little pick, or did you have in your skin? Wow, okay, you're right. It also makes. Shimmer will give. It's do now. You know it can be this. I. It's getting caught with glitter on your face. When guys like what's on your face, and then you have to be like all embarrassed. I, get it. It's all fun and Games. When a woman with airbrush perfect like how do you do that? Skin has a perfect swipe of Shimmer on her fucking cheekbone, but when I do it. It's like. Oh like playing with your mommy's makeup again I see. Is Unwell. Locker up five, hundred, five zero. Involuntary psychiatric hold. Vibes, but anyway and say here's what I'll say about the shimmer factor. If I swipe my finger on it and then swiping on my skin, I see some Shimmer, but for some reason when I'm dispersing it on my face brush I'm really barely seeing it so I would say the Shimmer zone issue, but of course. Like beyond the lookout and I I am like I. Don't I. Don't again. My boyfriend fiance recall at this point. If I have glitter Shimron knife as he calls me the fuck out of what is going on like. Why are you playing dress up? But. He's an intellectual type. They don't like. They, just don't. So I hear you, but it hasn't been an issue for me, but that's a good. Follow up question. At this time. They're. Okay and and we adjourn the jury. The questioning will stop. I my case I. Rest my case. Can I out there though my leg runner up, which is actually my mic quarantine hero item, which is my eyelash curler? Visits one accounts okay. This is when it counts because you get to look a little bit better and more awake without having to put makeup on like this is just. There's no reason to stop the curling Don't WanNa waste your makeup, you don't WanNa have to wash your face at night like you can have all these reasons why you don't want to put make up on when you're sitting at home, but eyelash curler. There's no excuse to not use it and the value that against your face is just too big to deny. ooh, that is a great. That is a great product I have to say. Yeah, that's a good one, so I guess quickly talk about my heroes skin care product, please so like I mentioned. I have mask needs like surreal because I I know it's real because I get pimples on my cheeks right with the mask goes, and they're very small pimples and I never get pimples like that. Wow! It's it's brutal i. mean the masks are a humid wet environment and might I mention for those listening? Don't be afraid to hand. Wash your masks. Put them in a big bowl with a couple of drops of Dr. Bronner's or whatever gentle soap that you have around the house. Washington between uses it feels tedious, but I think it really helps. So that no one thing I've just been dealing with all kinds of break, Austrian quarantine and idea amd my favorite Korean beauty store, and if you listen to podcasts, you've heard me talk about it Ooh thirty-five. M and it's a New York. They have an amazing online store and the mention. They have amazing people that work. There are so helpful over diem or email I can't speak highly enough of these people. There are so smart. They know everything. And I mentioned on my I'm breaking out. I'm breaking out. I'm getting on, and they're like every. You need to get this essence, and it will really help and I'm a very at pro essence girl. I think that I view essences is like you can layer on endless layers of an essence. They're just a watery hydrating step that only helps my skin it as a glow, it adds buoyancy at ads bound I love essences. I'm very essence positive. and. This essence is called Amo from Mug word essence. It's like Super Korean. Definitely bottled? The product of Korea the label is completely in Korean except for the words I'm from Mug word and Mug were. Is, this amazing soothing ingredient that's I think good for all skin types, but in particular is great for acne. It's repairing. It's antibacterial anti inflammatory. It's calming. And I just put it on a cotton ball after I. DO Toner and I. Just hold it over my hot spots as I like to say. It's. What are you going to well? Hotspots is just moving like Paris Hilton at the Ivy in two thousand six. Really it makes me think. Hotspot makes me think of wind. Dogs lick part of their foot too hard and. Like all the. Way And then that's called a hot spot in the veterinary community which I'm very active in US you know. So it's a nice liquid, it's like the color of green tea, and it has a very slightly or basis sent. It's very nice, and it really helps. It's really really awesome. The bottle is thirty dollars, but it's a big bottle and like. Kareem beauty I mean. It's a steel. No matter how you slice it. I Love K., beauty. So, I highly recommend this great essence sense if you're dealing with like little targeted breakouts. Okay can I have the permission to speak freely for a second I mean? Obviously. I'm not going to be able to stop you. Okay. I'm concerned that you. Are It sal is light. You God are potentially reusing your mask without it being wash. Let me just just hear me out. My approach to masks has been have a bunch of cheap ones. You know maybe have a couple. Nice ones whatever? entreat those like underwear like after you wear them. They go on the dirty clothes pile, so you? I'm talking. You have like ten whatever upwards of ten masks that. Judy you hear what I'm saying. What do. In silent because. I saw as someone who has told me they turn their underwear inside out until it becomes underwear bark. High Mighty moralistic position. On. Putting our underwear in the dirty hamper after wondering where we both know that that's. So far off. We both. We both know that you're a lying scum and you're to. Look cool on the. Court in my friends, but we both know that this isn't the real you. I mean look I made mistakes. I've wore a couple asks twice okay, and I learning I'm growing I'm realizing that they do need to be washed in between wears okay, and the every would show, not only did you re wear masks? You're a sweaty masks. That's what the evidence is showing. Okay all right and. All the time we have for Ya. Sorry I'm not perfect. I didn't realize how dirty my mouth was, but I should have realized because I. don't brush my teeth. Look, it's okay we're already learning. I look I am more. I dirty when it comes to you know. That general secretions and underarm. Dirt and smells, but when it comes to being afraid of you know. Of covid nineteen in my life. I start to. A different finally out and I'm reusing. I'm ripping. Ask off as soon as I'm entering the house and enjoying the dirty. I because you know in theory, it's like I know that maths. It's kind of confusing and complicated, because the truth is supposedly you. You're presenting other people by wearing. Your master's not really protecting yourself right? Let's say the just say as your people are spitting there. Virus particles onto your mask when you're out in the world. That's that's enough that thought is gonNA. Be like all right. I'm not just by a bulk of cheap mass and just have as many so I. don't run out of that. Can you know you're you're absolutely right? I. I didn't think about the fact that. I mean I definitely take it off and sometimes I. Let it sit in a hot car for a week. Fair. That's fair. That's that's what I was doing. I'M NOT GONNA put on a mask and put the mask on and go right back out I have. Now! I'm watching. Okay. Let's just leave it at that. Okay I'm sorry I just. Don't feel the need to defend myself and I have the right to a voyeur as I said. Okay okay, okay. Can I tell you my my skin care? Heroes Quarantine lease. Holding, in my hands and. I. I need to sleep with this at my bedside I this product. Now during my quarantine, there's been a lot of talk of like road tripping back to Chicago and spending quarantining at my parents us the threat, and as we like to call it the threat the threat. And the the one thing that if I jump in the car at any given time that I will have in my hands as I. Running for the hills will be this product. Okay in its brand new I tried it the first, probably the very beginning of March, it's the drunk elephant bomb electrolyte water facial mask hide. That's the French. It's electoral f-bomb electrolyte water facial, and it's in the little, white and blue packaging. It says Vitamin Microbial Leads Sodium Avenue that is because there's definitely not micro in here, but. It's a hydrating overnight mask or just regular asked at. Here's my trick with it I. Do not I I see the word mask on this. This packaging I from my mind. Okay, I do not treat this like a mask. I treat this like a very hydrating moisturizer. Almost moisturizer slash serum. slather on generously every night. and. I was having so much dry skin to the point where it pretty much given up on myself until I tried this. Eye I'm now like when I use it. I wake up like. That dewey nece. I feel pump and dewey. I I'll be honest with you have really pared things down in quarantine like I'm pretty much just washing my face and throwing this on I'm not doing more. I know I could and should be thirty two years old. I should be doing a little more for my skin, but at this time. I'm not and this thing is really getting me through so. You know in K. Beauty. They call that it's a sleeping pack. It's basically like. A heavy moisturizer that final step. And you know, sometimes, it'll say mask on the label, but it's like totally fair game to use it as the final step in your skincare routine, and sometimes you'll put it on top like you said like your tone. Toner your serums, your essence, your even your regular moisturizer, and then you're sleeping. Pack would go on top of that. While? I also purchased an amazing 'cause Rx sleeping mat. Whatever it's called, a sleeping pack already forgot. During the dermstore sale, this is apparently like I. Did all my research and this is a great sleeping mask for? Active in skin and oil oilskins printing good for all skin types, but it's the cause rex ultimate nourishing rice overnight SPA ask. And it's. The pitches wake up in the morning as if you've gone out of the SPA and it's just full of rice extract, which really good for moisture and nourishing. Apparently, it's good for acne scars. And I think there's all other kinds of stuff, but so as a tree once or twice a week I'll put that on over my moisturizer and I feel really good about it. That sounds really nice, and I am kicking myself that I. We didn't do this. Episode, like around a Sephora of UAB or a dermstore sale, because I'm just like I would love to be making purchases twenty percent off right now because I need that CC. Creevy talked about I made it now? Yeah, the the fact that you say you use a grain of race amount. Is Lows. I'm losing money by owning that. If you could see this tube and I wish you could. It's the perfect to because it's so worn out. Where almost all of the legal has completely worn off the bottle, which gives me so much. Pleasure can't even tell you. That's pride bitch, that is frigging pride that is pride. That's like all the weird creepy instagram accounts I follow, that are like daily, underscore pan, or like daily empties were women will just post pictures of them hitting pan and the giant shadow Palette. It's like Pan Porn. I WANNA say. This is like that. I'm I'm just yeah. I'm really inspired right now. I mean we have so much to talk about I mean. Should we talk about how we've? We've kind of been talking about this. But how our life or routine has changed in quarantine or ways in which we're different. Since. Corentin started like. Do you have any big life updates? Yeah, that's A. Let's talk about that so I have I'm having a really hard time. Engage in physical activity in quarantine. Right before this I was getting in a good groove with pilates and a little bit of personal training and God Yeah. You're like yeah, you're beefing up like your. No, we're getting. You're getting athletic for minute there. No, but what I was doing was finally after thirty two years, finding my core, and like a Radicati, my neck pain, but I Okay so I did I did find. Finally someone on Youtube. Who? Who Teaches Yoga? Who is so good who she has a? Thirty Day ten minute morning, Yoga routine challenge which I've been doing. She is I the best way. I can describe her as I wish she would breastfeed me like she is just beautiful and has a great spirit end. She's just. There's so much to learn. Just say you want her to be your friend. You don't have to take it to the place of I. Want Her to breast. Feed me. I mean I. Have you even thought to consider? Does she want to breastfeed you? It's. Much Esther. Dave says everything. That's like nicer, good I. Pathology is it and like take it to a really bad place right away? Whatever I mean said by someone who doesn't like Shimmer like Don't don't trust him. You know not a good source. Okay, so her name is Yoga with Cassandra. Cassandra with a K. of luck. I know her videos currently. It's so much stretching. It's so much deep stretching and her videos are short. There's ten minutes twenty minutes thirty minutes like. It's just such a good taste of Nice calming stretch. It's I like. Like I've been looking for this my whole life and I finally found it and Henry skipped some mornings. You fucking split I have, but am I. Do I just get right back on the horse? I do so shout out to with Cassandra I absolutely love her I would love her to breastfeed. Meet in a consensual way if that. If we ever you know, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, but. That was as a big change me the fact that I am now able to turn on a youtube video at home and move my fucking body. Even if it's stretching is a huge change for me. How about you? So I've gone on such journey with my workouts over quarantine I've tried a lot of gone back and forth from youtube videos to. Like paying these trainers that I've worked with for. These group zooms and. Just walking all of the above but ominous share. Okay, what really has been working for me? So? When I want to have a really good sweaty workout, I'll break my body. I break it down into pieces because the idea of sending in doing one youtube high intensity workout for an hour, and a half makes me actually want to die like I need different people and I've really grown to like. I it's really dividing and conquer when it comes to my body now I know certain people that I like like for certain parts of my body, so I'll do a ten minute cardio and the key here is you search an apartment? Friendly Cardio, warm up! 'cause it's cardio, but the whole Huckabee being apartment friendly as there's no jumping. I hate jumping I. mean some sorry I'll do a jump squad here and they're like. Don't get me wrong, but in general like the whole, it's so demeaning and degrading to jump in my living room. It's bad for your knees. It is bad for your knees, and I really recommend law. The ladies which has been like. She has been I've learned a lot about as this chick has been like slaying, the Youtube exercise game forever and she. She's chatty. Okay I'm gonNA say right now. She's A. She's a chatty Cathy woman. Sharing updates that you might not need, but it's okay like sometimes. I like Chatty, Cathy. She has a lot of good a apartment. Friendly slash friendly warm-ups, and it's good so and I really think when you do that. Ten minute. Warm Up. The rest of your workout is so much more effective. You're like sweating a little more so than I will always do. Have a thick resistance ban on at sea and I do a lot of good stuff without thick resistance, and just like squad variations search like booty workout with with the band like I'm searching. Also sit on Youtube search. Body part by body part. and. Always do do my apps and for that. I really recommend this. I'm going to call I'm going to say it. She's a Nazi. Her name is mad. Fit and when I say Nancy I don't. I don't mean that she's a necessarily like part of the White Nationalist Party but. She's extremely tall, extremely extremely perfect and. There's no love no joy, no words of encouragement, no talking even and the woman will put you through a punishing fifteen minute ab workout. That will make you question. It'll will make you question life itself. It's so difficult. I have to take breaks, but it's a need punishing difficult ab workout. and. Yeah, you wouldn't be able to tell of course by looking at me, but. I do gravitate towards more punishing workout, and then I'm. Like. That's. Doesn't quite add up. And, then I have a pair of two pound weights. And I'll look like bar arms. To pound weight series, and there's so many amazing like five minute arm sequences, and even if you have to pounds, a three pounds like your arms will be noodles by the end. My thing is like a one. Well, that's A. That's like holding two pens, but sure. So. I'm mixing and matching and I'm doing a lot of that and I'll do yoga here and there I'm just like I'm I'm all over the board, but what's really happening me is trying to keep consistent. Like even if I only twenty minutes one day or the next day I do an hour, and the day after I do ten minutes the consistency, a body emotion stays in motion that really does. That helps a lot. And then I talked about this on our live, but I want to give it another shot out. Because I might have. I might patent it soon. My patented walk in Suck Technology. God. I. We couldn't three going back if you're GONNA continue on this road I. Keep it brief. I will keep it brief, but I have the stand. And I will share my story. Look I long walks. I mean look at the end of the day. I'm sure everyone listening his. Gone on a couple of walks, but why not take your walk to the next level with what I call my walk insect technology. Think of your core. There's a girdle around your core. There's a there's a course it and as you walk, you're not just sucking in your stomach. You are activating all the walls of your core. That's your side. That's your back. You're walking with pride. You're standing up straight and your stomach and your core is activated and take it to the next next level where each step you are activating and squeezing your buns. I feel it in my. Upper buns like the top of the, but what you don't have mind control over those. Yes, I, do and you should see them. They're huge now. That's not supposed. To chicken breasts. Lower deck you STUPI. It's beautiful and people are loving it. Okay people are commenting. I swear walking work, and if you just look, you don't have to do it for the whole hour, but hey, next time you're walking. Try a little walking suck. Tom Caroline Sancha. Uncle! Uncle Dare you prefer grandfather. So I love my walk and Suck and God I have another way in which my body has changed that I'm like scared to talk about, but. That's the. Let's just say those are my those are my. What could that be? Is it like? Did you have a Labia Surgery? Like what are you scared to talk about well? It's not a dirty word. It's not dirty all like I embrace it and I'm proud of it, but if we're talking about like ways, our life has changed in quarantine. I don't know if it's the stress. I don't know if it's having more time to look in the mirror, but my grey hairs have exploded like you know how an old man's you know. How an old man's nose hairs look where it's going to. S. And they're very targeted I only get them into in one place really so bizarre. Esther know like my everyone has kind of by baby hair patches liking. I don't even know how to describe them. They're like these little. It's spongy, stringy baby hairs. My baby hairs are this thicket. They're exploding in gray. Really an what are you doing, anything? No. There's obviously no need to diet right now. We're to worry and they're. They're not super visible. I can still get away with not dying them, but it's amazing they are. They are like the once they start pringles once they pop, they cannot stop. Control, I imagined baby. Here is being graze almost like. Not Yeah exactly like it's not really an issue. I would think. I mean as you know I have my like one or two mainstay gray strands that I've had. Since I was like twenty which I love when I'm hanging out with a guy from the like you've gray hair, your old I'm like bitch. These make me feel young. 'cause I've had them since I was a baby but I do I see I. Think you know I cut my grey hairs out? So I have like a trusted friend or relative like getting their cut as close to the possible. So. That's always something if you have one or two strays, whatever that's bothering you, but the baby. Here's some really cute to be honest. Yeah, they're. They're not as cute as I'm making themselves. They're certainly they're. They're bit old man. Old Man knows honestly. They look like an old bands nose hairs. I love that description, though because I have to say but the flip side of that and I think all connected. I'm also. Hear me out. I'm eating better than ever in quarantine I'm eating three squares as we like to say, and I'm not eating out I'm I'm cooking everything cereal aside I really am eating these like veggie heavy fish heavy like Omega three like I'm. Really eating the way of that I've always wanted to eat and I've noticed that my hair is a lot thicker. I think I'm having more. So to speak and I think that the grey hairs are part of it like my body is shooting out hair so fast, it can't make enough pigment. Ice The first of all. That's hilarious and also I'm really inspired to hear that because I love hearing like just any kind of like beauty growth from what you eat. I noticed when we did zoom the other last week. Your hair looks fucking great like you just looked. It looked so thick and beautiful and long, and I don't know there's something about. It was just like almost like as morale Dr, something like we just so pretty. It's a serial. No, it's it is eating I do believe. Because, my mom, who's. We all know my mom. I wear. My hair thinning like my hair, so thank you don't eat enough. You never eat enough. You need to eat more you to eat more nutritious food and I always like. Write it off and I'm like I don't. I don't want to eat a lot like I want to like. Keep basically starving myself and like eating like Weird Shit when I ran. But. Now that I'm eating like honestly five meals, a day I'll be honest. I, mean I'm having growth. The likes of which I didn't know I was still capable of. Can, you, if you look I know it's not always possible, but if you were to be able to pinpoint one two three things that you're eating more of that, you would you know attribute this hair growth? To what would it be just in case? I wanted to copy you I'll tell you right now. Big Nightly Salads. I. I happen to have the unlucky enough to quarantine with two other people, so I have an excuse to make a big salad every night and these big salads, and either it all right in front of them, and I take it and I go into my bedroom, and I shut the door and I eat it privately. These big salads. Let's just say they contain any. All of the above or below. Chopped Green cabbage spinach walnuts, walnut consumption has skyrocketed during quite. That's gotta be huge than walnuts are with you. Look up the fucking health benefits of walnuts you're just like. Why? Why am I not these fistful every day? That's gotta be at your so. Okay keep going. Nuts chopped walnuts in the salad. Like this is my new thing. You don't even need croutons. Walnuts are just as good if not better. They are really good in a salad. When I was doing sweet green every day, I always got walnuts, and they were so good in it. I think you are the person I think you got me on the Walnut and a salad train from your side that yes? Yes thank you. You did yeah. And whatever I have in house. Mushrooms tomatoes cucumbers. I'd like a garbage pail salad whatever you have laying around. And I and I do I used to put a lot of garlic onion and the salad I've kind of pulled back off that and maybe I'll put like a little bit of onion if anything. But I'm not missing it I. Get a lot of flavor from, did you? Why did you back on garlic? Yeah, well I. Don't want to put the people in my house on blast, but let's just say. There were some complaints that I was over garlic and onion inning the cooking own, so it was kind of like unanimous vote that I was not a part of that I had to start winning the salads a little bit. Okay now the first time you've had to D- onion. I'm sure and not the last time. Certainly you can imagine my morning breath the morning after having a fifty percent onion salad UNB teeth. Anyway so I! Am this dressing for me? Here's what's key. It has a whole lemon I. don't skimp. A drizzle of olive oil, salt and pepper, and then I personally like to very small drizzle just for flavor and texture and wetness of any kind of delicious dressing, whether it's green, goddess an organic Vegan Caesar. Dressing you so it just gives it just binds it together in very flavorful way. Got Up and then you really keep sorry, keep going, and then just like. I've been eating a lot more fish. You know how I love my canned fish. My sardines like. And I'm eating a lot of neck. You know I've been making a lot of honesty leap. Organic chicken thighs and like cooking with proteins in a way that I don't usually cook and. Bitch eating more. Let's just leave it at that. Will you're the queen of Big Salads and I? Almost I'm like okay. You know what maybe we gotta get. When this episode comes out like, get that glowing up into stories going with some pictures of your salads. Maybe maybe a snap of me with my Yoga. Mat, like like I want visual aids here especially to what you're eating. If at all possible, I know you do it on your stories sometimes, but no salads are okay. You're I'm. Your big salads are almost like. It's like an an unattainable. It's like an Emmy Award, right? It's like wow, that's so cool like, but I'll never have an emmy. Chhaya peabody try to Nobel peace prize, Macarthur Genius Grant. Don't give me A. Daytime Emmy. Shit. You're right. You're hundred right, so that's that's pretty much it. My partner adamant me tape our podcast. Nobody listens to Paula poundstone in a little studio where we can only one instrument for a house band although we want fin a Yak on A. It's a comedy advice. Show experts talk about things we all need to know. We had a mortician explain a better way to die. Urban Chicken farmer told us how to raise poultry in your backyard I casting agent coach man how to get the raw. A constitutional expert explained the bill of Rights. Maybe we can get the White House to listen to that episode. Also an astronaut told us how to astronaut. We have hand puppets for trump and vocabulary words like nugatory find out when nugatory means listen to nobody listens to Paul About Sto-. I feel like we should get to. We we? Kinda got wrap it up here I. Mean You know we have such busy lives to get back to you? But yeah, we haven't Bagman. Excited about this segment e-. Do, you WanNa do you want? US. So Estrin I have. Devised a new segment and we call it sad women in history. And here's the point of the segment. It's part history lesson where we're going to highlight. Put a spotlight on a woman of history. WHO'S COULD BE TRAGIC? She could be a scammer. She could be a disgraced. She could be infamous. You know anything along those lines. We're going to learn about her. And then we're GONNA. Decide through spirited debate whether or not she's an Ester or if she's caroline. That's right. We've decided to highlight our fellow sisterhood and highlight a special woman. Because you know, we're forward thinking feminists, but are we highlighting women that you probably shouldn't know anything about? Yeah, but. It's all. All the name of putting each other down in a gentle but fun way exactly it's taking the time. To talk about women that should be forgotten and using them as an insult for each other. No. We'll learn something. Whether, it's history whether it's scams of your. It's all learning. So Esther, why don't you introduce who's who are we highlighting today? What's her name? So today? We are highlighting the very famous look. People have our generation know about her Her name, the sad woman in history, the first one to get US GOING IS ROSIE RUIZ! Now Rosie Perez is. Famous for. Should, I read this little thing you typed up for shy. Speak from the heart. I can't decide well I. Mean it's up to you. I I. Do a little luck. Do either do what what serves you best. Okay, let's try I've never actually read words so. Professional actress. This Okay Ruis stunned the running world by being the first woman to cross the finish line in Boston in two hours, thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds, so the boss she won the Boston. Marathon which is the most like exclusive marathon it would have been the third fastest time ever recorded by a woman in a marathon, but suspicions about her victory arose immediately, spotters had not seen her at checkpoints along the twenty six mile course and after the race. She told a television interviewer that she had only run one other marathon. We love hurts already, so what we have here is. She won the Boston Marathon, but she can't came out of nowhere right like usually the winners of these marathons. You kind of know like it's GonNa. Be this person or this person, but she one and it was this big surprise. Like Oh my God, who is she? Rosie ries just jumped on the scene with. No one had heard of her. Exactly and Ruiz's victory in Boston was nullified race organizers, their base their decision on about ten thousand photographs taken along the last mile of the race, as well as on information supplied by the news media and observers along the route. In addition at least one witness recalled seeing Ruiz. Enter the course at Kenmore Square about a mile from the finish line. Basically what we found out is that Rosie. Ruiz took the subway. She did not actually run the marathon. She took them mother fucking subway, but she kept scamming till the end she was charged in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two with grand larceny, and forgery, accused of stealing cash and checks from the real estate firm where she'd been a bookkeeper and nineteen three, she was arrested in Florida on charges of attempting to sell cocaine to undercover agents at a hotel in Miami and spent three weeks in jail. In thirty nine years, since the Boston marathon kept her medal, maintaining that she had completed in one race, fear and square. But you gotTa love. You gotTa Love It. You gotTa love her. She fucking scam the Boston Marathon. She had that metal till the day she died. She's an inspiration. She's a criminal. She's really Ruiz she's it. She's a criminal. She thankfully like. You know someone the woman who actually won it got a medal, too, so it was. It was kind of like a victimless crime in some ways. Yes you know like. Yeah. It's like wrong. It's look it's wrong. She was a serial marathon liar like apparently she claimed from the New York City Marathon, and that's another one. Where like reporters also saw her on the subway or something, so it's like she did it twice. and. Like. We all get our kicks in different ways. You know what? Might, give you a high astor. Coconut Latte as you know might not give Rosie Ruiz the same. Hi! It's amazing. What crimes you could get away with? Phones like Oh. Yeah, Oh, she's a free for all on the damn. Eighties could do whatever you wanted All right we'll this all begs. The question is rosaries more of an Ester of caroline I think this is like cut and dry. No argument clear as day. I'm happy to lay it out. Rosie Ruis is beyond a shadow of a doubt. On Esther one. That is not what I expected. Okay, tell me, why are you kidding me? All the pieces are there. Right there at the top I mean this is glaring lying about exercise. You way trying to get out of exercise cutting corners and exercise, I mean. Esther watched you walk out of a yoga. Class I've. Seen it with my own eyes, okay? This is like anything in the realm scamming to do less exercise that screams esther for me and not only that. To me. It's all about it's. It's all about that. She kept her medal until the end. When it comes to keeping childhood nostalgic objects. Variant your parents basement, or whether it's yeah, whether it's collectible chicken nugget. Dance Awards or whatever's in your parents? Basement, I don't know what else is in there. You know that's Esther Esther. Vicky written all over it. Wow you make a great argument. I hear you loud and clear. I definitely look. This is a tricky one because I. see both of us in Rosie Ruiz. I really do you know I. See I see you because I. See a woman who? Is Ambitious who goes out there and actually puts her pedal to the metal and gets her ass out of her apartment and fucking. Shows up right like I. Think you go out and do more things in life like you. You're more of A. You're more of a go-getter so I do see that element here because look. It's one thing for me to sit here and. Call the West customer service with a Karen complaint, but it's another thing for me to actually get in front of you know thousands and thousands of people and pretend that I wanNA marathon. Badges feels like you to me. The cheating exercise element is me but I just think like declaring victory. Via Scam proudly because you know, there's certain things I just. This is such an epic scam that screams to me that of a person who would show the Costco Employees, their fathers Costco card, pretending that their own father is their husband, and then when the Costco employees informs them that another woman is attached as his partner to the account, the use there and perform as though you are finding out. Your husband has a mistress so i. just that's a scam performance that I really really have to say. To me, screams, rosaries and without a walkway. I, that was a strong argument. Esther I will point out that a big part of it was that the fact that she quote did anything outside of her house. More for Caroline, and that's GONNA. Make this segment really hard if At the. Did anything outside of the home space that that makes them a Carolina but I'll leave it at that. I mean look. We both learned. We all learn something. I don't know there's there's no there's that's the thing. All these sad women have a little western Carolina and the we might not get exact. Of what who Rosie Ruiz's definitively, but. The. Say Like we all have a little rosie, Ruiz, and all of us yeah, every gloomy and I would love for the glorious to way into you know the integration post promoting this episode. Please go to our instagram at going up podcast and comment. Who is rosy Ruis Mir Caroline. We'd love to know. Or, maybe we. We won't like what we see. You know but I feel like that's. That's where we're at. That note I guess you're said. Follow us on Instagram at glowing up podcast. MLS questions comments or concerns at glowing. Up pod at. G. Dot Com and I guess like lake in subscribe, but right you don't want to like it's. It's tough times like. You don't have to. Like. That's youtube I meant survive and rare view whatever I'm trying I can't were were just getting back into the swing of things. Chaos, but you guys. Thanks so much for sticking with us and we're sorry. We took so long to come back, but we are really happy to reconnect with the globe's and like Carolina said follow us on Instagram. And we will see you next week. Starving. A podcast network.

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Mason and Ireland HR 2: Hot Dog Contest Controversy Continues

Mason & Ireland

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Mason and Ireland HR 2: Hot Dog Contest Controversy Continues

"I am here we go John Colin Kaepernick. Sent this tweet quote. Black people have been dehumanized, brutalized, criminalized and terrorized by America for centuries and are expected to join your commemoration of independence. While you enslaved our ancestors, we reject your celebration of white supremacy and look forward to liberation for all. What do you think of the tweet? Well. I have trouble. With capper neck. Making tweets like that because he's. He openly says he doesn't vote. So when he tries to get. Politically active I. Don't think it's that he can't make a good point. It's just that I think he sends the worst message possible by by telling others. That voting does no good. In my opinion, voting is one of the few ways you can exercise your right as a citizen. I think it's really important and. And so I take everything collins says politically with that through looking through that vortex, but it doesn't mean he can't have a valid opinion I mean if that's the way he feels, and he wants to put that out there. Go ahead, but every time. He does something like that I think. This is a guy who advocates. Don't vote, so it always tainted. How about he doesn't really talk about voting in there or frankly politics party politics nothing like that I don't care how he votes I just think he should vote. I think it's one of the few Lebron for example is is starting to try to volunteer for it. To try and encourage more people to vote and Colin tells people that voting is a waste of your time there you go yeah I think the Tweet is in keeping with Colin Kaepernick's beliefs and I understand why some African Americans may not look at Independence Day as a date of their independence, in fact, maybe that's what June eighteenth is all about as opposed to the fourth of July so I understand the tweet. and. And Yeah I think that he's entitled to say it. It's it stirred up a lot of social media conversation and I think that was his goal along. Mace Wnba Star. More set out the entire season last year, and helped overturn the conviction of Jonathan Irons serving a fifty year prison sentence. He was finally released on Friday. Here's my question. Why isn't this story a bigger deal? My more is a top five player in her sport. Some people argue top three. She basically gave up her career because she thought this guy was wrongly imprisoned and she helped. Get him out yet I. Don't feel like it received the attention or the coverage that that a story like that would merit if she played another sport. Am I making something out of nothing here to you agree well, I mean. I can't speak for I. I know on ESPN on Friday and on this show on Friday. We talked a lot about about my more and what she did. which is just an unbelievably selfless act I, honestly would like to know more about it like. How did she identify this one? Wrongly accused guy as the one that she was going to champion I don't know the answer to that to you. I don't She met him in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Ninety, eight in a prison ministry, so it may have been the fact that this particular person connected with her. She knew and she just. Her, she said when I stepped away from the court two years ago. I really wanted to shift my priorities to be able to be more valuable more present to show up for things I felt mattered more than being a professional athlete. I think this is an extraordinary sacrifice that didn't get enough attention, or maybe it did get a lot of attention and I just didn't focus on it, but I can you imagine if Michael Jordan or Lebron, James or Mike Trout or Patrick Mahomes? Their respective sport. To help right wrong, and then it worked then. They got bright out of prison. I just think it's an extraordinary story. It's an amazing story. It's an amazing story and you know we. We all talk about criminal justice reform, and there was a big criminal justice reform bill passed think last year through Congress so we've made some steps in that direction, but. When you're talking about social justice, criminal justice reform, one of those parts of that that tree, one of the branches of that tree that I think we need the most reform around, and here is my amore, who quite literally put her money where her mouth is and went and did something about it, so yeah, good good for my more. It's you yesterday Cam Newton sent out a shirtless workout video. Saying this I'm getting tired of being humbled now. Is Camps Act going to work with Bill Belichick, and the Patriots Culture I don't know why I think this, but I think he's going to do well there. I think he's got something to prove I think that bill check is a football genius I. Think they could put him in the right situation and I. I. Wish I could be more precise and give you specific examples. I just have this feeling. It's GonNa work. How about you? I think jared stood him will lead the New England patriots to a ten six record. I'm I'm of that belief and I've heard people like Scott Zolak. Talk about this, and apparently there's another coach inside the AFC East who talked about this that Bill Belichick just loves jared Steadham and Cam Newton is the shiny new object, but it's it's jared stems job to lose. I just don't think there's any guarantee that that cam is going to be the starter. At certainly not to start the season. But the I'm getting tired of being humble now. That probably doesn't fly with. Jeff Yeah Bill. Runs a pretty tight ship there. So be careful you answer this one. It's a little touchy, but I find it really fascinating. Okay. There was a trump twenty twenty paint scheme on a Nascar at the brickyard. Four hundred Sunday now remember bubba Wallace had a black lives matter paint scheme, and still does so. This is just different people expressing their different political viewpoints on a NASCAR. But here's my question. If you RAN NASCAR. How far could this go? For example, they've already said they won't tolerate confederate flag, so that's a line that they won't let driver cross, but for example. If one driver came out with a pro choice, paint scheme, and another driver came out with a pro-life paint scheme. Would you allow both of those? Would you allow for full political expression? As long as it doesn't attack one specific group like confederate flag we know is out, but would you allow any hot button political issue to be represented on a car as long as you have allowed the voice of both sides. Well I mean. There's there's a difference between. A black lives, matter car and a trump twenty twenty car one is actually overtly political, and the other one is just our generally agreed to concept in in this country that African Americans have gotten the short end of the stick for a really long time have been at the hands. Of police brutality and and justice reform, and all that stop to the trump. Twenty twenty paint scheme would be a Biden by twenty twenty. Exactly what you would obviously have to allow that you've allowed one, you'd have to allow the other, but would you allow for other issues to be represented on NASCAR pick whatever sensitive hot political button you get. Pro Choice and pro life is a pretty good one. Right I. would would if you were the Nascar Guy, would you allow both sides? Would you just say now? I don't WanNa wait into that I would say. I understand a trump twenty twenty car and understand that that driver probably as conviction of is support for the President and I believe that bubble Wallace has got you know believes in the black lives matter movement I. Don't think either one of those. Cross the Line I. Don't think I would want to do pro pro choice pro-life I think then you're actually delving into political issues that have the potential to divide fans, and although you know what here's the thing. has this been. Hasn't it been generally positive that bubble? Wallace put black lives matter on his car. Especially within NASCAR, the other drivers have been incredibly supportive. The Guy who drove the trump twenty twenty car, corey joy is not a very good driver. He doesn't win very much. So and if you look at the car, it just looks like like basically a political sign, right? He's the number thirty two drives a Ford Mustang and it's out there. It would just blend in with the other cars. Just I if you allow this. If you allow individual candidates to be represented on cars, I wonder what the next logical step is. Like, if you like stem cells, if you could come out fro, stem cell anti, it's kind of the same family as the pro-life pro-choice thing. You're opening up your opening up a whole. Can of worms there that I don't know if you want on TV as part of your brand, but it. It's interesting that they allowed this. I'm surprised that they did but they. All right. Patrick mahomes signed a ten year four hundred million dollar, contract either way. Gate Mace. It's now up to five hundred three million. Dollar contract and make up to five hundred and three half a billion. You could make okay. Good deal, bad deal for the chiefs. Here's the thing about so believable deal for Patrick Mahomes, but here's here's thing about football deals. What is the guaranteed money? That's what I need to know. We hear all the time. These gigantic numbers being thrown out. If mahomes he has I know he has one hundred forty million injury guarantee that if you were to be injured on the very first day of the contract and never be able to play football again, he gets one hundred and forty million, which is a pretty good deal for him. His his his guaranteed money is one hundred and forty million. Right in the though it in, so, why do we and I just corrected you? Instead? It's he. He could make five hundred three million. Why do we say it's a five hundred million dollar contract when they only have to guarantee one hundred and forty? Is You know what I'm saying it. I would have to see Patrick's guarantees. I think it's a great deal for him. The chiefs if they're only on the hook for one hundred and forty million. Sure, but I'd have to see what they're on the hook for otherwise that that's what would determine my hand. Years is such a long time. Yeah, in the life of a quarterback. Ten years is a really long time, but you're right. It is the big flashy five hundred and three million dollar number that jumps out at you, and it looks like from what I can tell. The guaranteed money is one hundred and forty. How much money is jared? Goff owed guaranteed I think he gets one. Hundred ten right in that neighborhood is one hundred, ten, million, guaranteed and Carson wentz is in that boat to. One hundred ten million is the guarantee for so. On a scale that's that's about right. If Jared Goff is worth a hundred and ten million guaranteed than Patrick mahomes probably is worth one hundred and forty. So it's kind of the Golan. The going rate, I guess for for quarterbacks. Ten years is just a really long time. Funds by. Mason Antonio Brown worked out with Russell Wilson last week Brand has a lot of off the field issues, but if you could get those sorted out, wouldn't he? Make the seahawks a lot better in the NFC west? They don't really have a number one wide receiver there. then. Tonio Brown if he could get his act together would make them a lot better, wouldn't he? Sure he would I mean. I find it hard to believe that Antonio. Brown is going to be back in the League I. Really Do You know I think one of the issues that still looming over all this is he's got a sexual harassment and sexual misconduct investigations that are going on at the NFL side so even once he signed. There's been no results to that. He will probably have a suspension before he ever set foot in a game I also tend to believe that he is. He's always on the verge of. Of Self destructing and you know I hope that if he does get a deal if he doesn't get a deal that he gets the the right counseling to be able to straighten out his life because he certainly had some some major issues. If you want to read into it a little bit, so I I'm going to stand by I. Don't think we're ever going to see him in the League again. By the might be a taller to okay. Do we find Ramona? Yes, we did okay. was that coming up where we got most join us next Mason and Ireland seven ten espn. What's up? It is Monday as we get closer and closer to real life actual sports. The, dodgers will have an exhibition game against the angels. On. The twenty first and they will kick off the season on the twenty third against the San Francisco giants, the evil hated ones they will go. San Francisco for four day off and then they are at Houston for two so right off the bat. We get our two. Biggest rival San Francisco and Houston in the baseball schedule, and joining us right now is the woman who prevailed presided over the disastrous hotdog, eating contest of twenty twenty. It is Ramona Shelburne Momo. How are you? I'm I'm feeling bad. Why. Why do you feel bad? I feel I. Can I've just been living with his guilt? Like I somehow contributed to this like I. You know like we carry a mess up the marquee. Raise like I feel like. I was carried here I. Don't know what I have done differently. Okay first of all. Kerry Kerry literally could not put together ready set go. So. You will never be as bad as Carrie was on the day of the Marquee. Number two Ramona. I couldn't see what else was exactly exactly. Nobody could see what he was got into the heart of the issue. Ramona, the ninety view people are accepting. This result is an outrage this this result is tainted and you know me. I would like nothing more than to have. Mason embarrassed on a national scale, but in this case I smell a rat and the rats name is. There was no light shot. Ramona there was no white shot. We have no idea if he to hotdogs, four hotdogs, or as he claims nine hot, you know. I went back and looked at him and I looked at it. Frame by frame. Right and at no point. Do you see him actually? put a hot dog in his mouth until after it's over. Putting a lot of things that had melted chewing allot. Idea how many hotdogs? There were on that train to start Davos leaf. He showed us a trade with two at the end, but did he start with six on the trade star with seven on the tray. How many were on the train of scar? Like I feel like I should've. I. Like made sure that you eat started with eleven. Show me your. Dog Like I should've gotten visuals I just. There were things that we couldn't control that. We thought we had control right tested before, and it works fine, but then all of a sudden. When I started asked Allen do things. He pretends like he can't hear me. Allen. How many hotdogs do you have and? He had a sound off or something mobile. Here's here's the other thing. Is You led me to believe? That was leading all along Yep, so I did take my my foot off the pedal at some point and thought alright going to be enough. I really think that you could blame this on me. I really do like this is I can own this for you. I was probably my poor call. This and lack of information coming from Alan, you know it is his job to try to do whatever he can't throw us. Yes, threw me off and then I threw you. Yeah, it was a it was a domino effect and Jonah's calling for a rematch. I think that's the only acceptable outcome here. You can't declare sleep with a winner. There is nothing to indicate here that he eight nine hotdogs nothing whereas. Steady eight nine. Yeah and I feel bad for him, too, because he really did he nine is like a, it's A. It's a hollow victory. 'cause nobody believed him, but show US show us you eating. It's an eating contest. We never saw him eating. May Do you remember the name Rosie Ruis? I do not remember the name Rosie Ruiz. Reason is somebody who magically crossed the finish line at the Boston marathon one year and everybody went. Wow, what a great time! Blah Blah Blah, and it turns out Rosie Ries was in a convenience store, and just popped into the middle of the race, and and blended in with everybody I think sleep pulled a Rosie Ruiz. Yeah, I don't think he eight nine hotdogs. There is no evidence that he did it and Ramona to your point earlier that if he really eight. Eight nine. It would be bad because nobody believes them I watched the thing an hour before the show I. Don't believe them I know the average person doesn't believe him, and if he can really do it, he can do it in the rematch and we're GonNa get a wide shot, so we can see all nine of those hot dogs go down his hatch and if he can't do it, that's it. He cheated again just like he did in the birthday game. Well I mean they're okay. Look I've been all weekend going over and everything and there was one off that really. How much time did you spend re reliving? Least Forty five minutes I try to make them not suck next time. And he kept saying we. Like. We've been training all week. We are going to win this one. We are putting a week. We are focused. We are feeling who is we? Who is we? How many people are there? He! He texted me again like this four, and he was like you know pumping himself up. And he was saying we and I don't know I mean did he set me up to? Mason, as a theory that Morales and Tommy Lamb, and Adam and Carlo were all in the bag for sleep. Doesn't that indicate we mace, wouldn't that? Indicate we you're absolutely right. We are going to win this thing. I was in the studio. Impartial. I was in the middle. Bronstein you can say that now. But how can we take what you say is real. You're. Had saying we live in a simulation. He had motive an opportunity so all allen used to be a sales guy Alain has connections of people who have money. Allen could funnel money wherever he wants it. Can Push people when he says we I mean there may be a deep state here guys that. You and I and Mason are learning about. All the time. And we can only sense. Okay that's ominous. That is ominous and it's true rematch. It's the only acceptable outcome. Momo is a rematch. They do have to eat again. And that is not fun. I don't basically that son. Knows not fun I did not enjoy the process. It was disgusting. The dipping of the buns in the water is completely gross. Dead. Awful awful experience, but in order to right this wrong. I will avenge. This conspiracy. I won't. Make this on for real. I'm going to change subject. I have a question for you, okay? I know you're very happy at ESPN. Let's say. I was a representative of a competing. Entity if I was a I I'm running bleacher report okay? And I know happy you are at ESPN but I need you to come to New York and be the masthead of my new NBA operation. And in order to get you to do it. I'm going to give you. Sixty million dollars for five years guaranteed. All right. I know you gotTa talk it over with Nevin. Daniel gets vote. But. Is there any way you say no to that? At the end of the day you're by lead NBA person. I've given you sixty million guaranteed. Is the word, no, even a possibility. No okay dollars. All right guys she was, she was just writing girls softball coverage in the Bank for God's Sake Momo. There is rumor. That is making the rounds in the NBA. That the Brooklyn Nets are going to give Gregg Popovich an offer. He cannot refuse the godfather offer so much money and so much guarantee that if he will come coach Kyri Irving. And Kevin Durant and lead the nets that that offer will be sitting there waiting for him. Do you buy it? Wow I haven't heard that rumor I. Don't know where you got it from my love that conspiracy. We're in this bay today. Right on. Look. taught doesn't need any money that the difference is you offer me life changing money because while I do make money from ESPN I do well. I have never made money like that. Right made money like that for a while. Right difference, right, it's like. Have you ever had a really big multi? Million Dollar contract is for for him. Is Answer now? Sean Marks. Is the GM in Brooklyn so marks the spurs guy. One knows better than you know him. How great topic no one knows! How important a great coaches for God like that San Antonio. Isn't really going anywhere or building anything right now so I can understand why he would try sure i. don't think hopefully. It's the kind of opportunity that you can't write off because. You know what this is Mason. This was the offer you got to go to. New, York it was so much money in such a good offer that anything else didn't matter and now. If you had to do over again, you might not do it, but at the time it was an offer. You couldn't refuse right. It was an offer I couldn't refuse and. I. Mean in fairness. It was not for I couldn't refuse, but. The station didn't make a whole hearted attempt to keep me but I'm just saying if. I think it's interesting I heard this on a podcast with a meal Hassen. Amine doesn't think that pop will do it. I don't think pop duty, but he says it for Ramona all the reasons you brought up. It is very very interesting. Because it's not to the money. Though for the difference is for me, it'd be like Whoa twelve million dollars you. Like. Pop Breaking eight million a year. Right, but this would be guaranteed. So I don't think that kind of money matters as much to pop making the choice. I think it would be more about you know. You need to have A. You'd want to have A. Team that has generational talent. That has a chance to win. Do on years old. he's. How many more years do you gotTa do this. Like. That is interesting challenge plus you'd be working with GM that you already like. You know or does he wanna just sort of slowly fade off into the sunset and Tony. Hasn't the plan all along been slow, fade into the sunset, and then coached the Olympic team well. He's already coaching the Olympic. But it wasn't that wasn't that. The farewell coach the Olympic team at the end, but now that Tim Duncan Scott and Ramona. Does he have any reason to say Dunkin? Parker Ginobili are all gone. Yeah. I mean. I think he's very comfortable there I think he really likes it there, but you know the I don't WanNa psychoanalyze too much because any seventy one years old. But you know he's very vibrant still like I. Don't get the Vibe from hot that he's like. You know ready to retire, right? Do you pick up and move to new? York and in a market like that at the age of seventy one years old. I mean he is a Foodie. Any Hey Ramona would get this deal done. Throwing a winery. Give him a winery. You give. You, give his own winery and he's in. He's got a label everything. God I don't I mean I can't see it. Look I'll say this, but. The man's wife. Castaway, you know his retirement that he hoped for planned on as already era. You know irreparably changed. That he all of his assistants that he was best friend with have left in the last few years that Mike. Gluten holder and Brett Brown those are his best friend. And now they have their own their own job and You know a lot of the log time guys in San Antonio have moved on even longtime staffers, so like staff is Kinda young and different. Now but it's been so it's. There's really just him in our Buford or last. The Old Spurs Dynasty sometimes people when they're. You know not all seventy one year old created a lake. We talked I know. He lost like a bunch of weight over the last year. He's in great shape works out all the time like you know. Maybe maybe what one US challenge I don't know. I'm not basing this on any information on whether I, think will happen or not. I've had any serious conversations, but like I. Just last time I saw must be tens. I saw him I. Just Kinda felt like he wasn't ready to go yet. He was. He wants to keep coaching. No go be fun thing to watch all right. Hey, Momo, thank you very much I. Forgive you for the the bad handling of the hotdog eating contest. We will have you back as a color analyst when we have the rematch more. Time. I play by play. Career was not is Kinda dead on arrival. St Away it is delay. Thank you, Momo, I Ramona. Ramona shelburne joining us. Coming up next for you. The dodgers schedule is out David. Price is not going to be playing. For the dodgers in this restart of the season. He's not going to be playing. we'll get to all that stuff. Mason Ireland seven ten ESPN people. We are now seven days away from L. AFC versus. In the MLS is back tournament. That's being played in Orlando Major. League baseball is now just fourteen days away started the regular season the dodgers will open against the giants will get into that in a minute and the NBA back. Lakers vs Clippers only twenty four days away. We're right on the verge of sports. John, the dodgers will up on the twenty third of July against the San Francisco giants. They will play a four game series against the giants, then get a day off and go to Houston for their only two games at Houston this year and then at Arizona. For. Four Games after that. Among other highlights. Let's see. The dodgers will play the angels at Anaheim. August Fourteen fifteen and sixteen. and. The Astros will be a Dodger Stadium September twelfth and Thirteenth for there are only two games dodger stadium, and the dodgers will finish the season. If these games count, they'll be important angels dodgers on September Twenty Fifth, twenty, sixth and twenty seventh is the last game of the season, and let's preface all this by saying. We don't know what covid can do. All these games that are being scheduled were just talking about him and assuming they're going to happen. We're not naive. We know that this could all get. Chain store altered, but let's say for the sake of discussion that it doesn't of weird that they only play the Astros four times I. I thought in the sake of. The pandemic I would have played all four those games in one place I would have flipped a coin and said all right the Astros get them all or the dodgers. Get them all just because. Mace I. Think it's unnecessary. Travel unnecessary risk. You you talked about the Games in Houston right after so the dodgers going to open up the season against the giants, then they gotta go on and get on a plane and go to all the way to Houston for just two games, and then get back on the plane and come back to Arizona. To me, it just seems like the way to handle that would be. Good to Houston. Play for their then play four against the Rangers. You only have to go to Texas once or if you were going to play games in La do the same thing for the Texas teams, the unnecessary travel, and going all the way Texas for two Games was a red flag for me. How `Bout Yeah. You know if you've got to play to in Houston I. DON'T I. Don't know the way around I. Mean I think fans want to see Houston dodger stadium. and. Even know fans. Does it matter? Well. Not ruled out fans for September, but we'll have. They ruled out fans in. At the end of this month. Don't know the I know that governor has been really aggressive down there. I don't know what his seem to. He seemed to have a come to Jesus moment over the weekend. Yeah, where he was telling people to. You know social distance and stay back and all that good stuff, but on mind that when you hear, those guys talk about football. Games at the University of Texas at Cowboys Stadium in Houston Texans. They're talking about fans. Right. Yeah and I mean if you look at baseball. The. Angels had to positive Cova Tests. The dodgers according to ESPN. had seen some members. Test positive would not specify whether any of those members were active players, but said none of those positive tests resulted in symptoms that have been problematic so. These camps are going on right now, and it seems as though the one place that it's been screwed up is Washington where they have been slow to get their test results but for the most part Major League baseball appears to be moving on. When you hear the players talk. Did you hear Sean doolittle? Yeah I, did actually we might have pulled that fun. Did you have Sean doolittle? I mean he was in Crescendo. Little is a player for the world champion nationals. Incredibly candidate about his. Is the indifference, the right word or He just doesn't sound like a guy who's convinced they should play. Okay. Here's Sean, doolittle! Oh, we don't have it. Yeah Sean. doolittle was was very very. In his his comments Mike Trout did as zoom press conference a little bit earlier today He talked about still not being comfortable with Major League Baseball's plan. Or not, that were honestly still don't feel comfortable. You know obviously with the with the baby common. There's stuff going through my mind right now. My Wife, my my family, just giant to be. The safest and most cautious way to get through a season. I've told billion Toyota wants to the GUY'S GONNA BE! It's GONNA be tough? I gotta I got to. Be Really cautious these next few weeks. The biggest thing is. Offset on a positive I don't want to bring it back to my wife. You know we're. We've heard about all this still thinking about all this, it's It's a tough time. It's a tough situation where everybody's in. Everybody's gonNa responsibility in this clubhouse. You know social distance. Stay inside. You don't keep airway safe. So. That's Mike Trout is Sean doolittle. We talked about this a minute ago from the world champion Washington nationals I think planning on playing, but if at any point this I start to feel unsafe, if it starts to take a toll on my mental health with all these things that we have to worry about and and just kind of this cloud of uncertainty hanging over everything you know then. I'll opt out I still don't have my test results from Friday's test. So like. I got tested again this morning without knowing the results of my test from Friday. So. We gotTA CLEAN UP. Right. So. That's one thing that makes makes me a little nervous. And should make you nervous if you test on Friday and you still don't have your results. Yeah, and that's what makes me think that this baseball thing could could go through some some peaks and valleys in maybe every game that on the schedule that came out today will not be played, and if it is played, do you want to play it without guys like my trout and Sean doolittle because I think David price of the dodgers opted out over the weekend and price was I. don't know if it'd be right to call him a throw in Mace, but he was one of the conditions. That, the dodgers had to take. His salary yeah for sure so. And again. I don't want to come off a hypocrite here I said when Avery Bradley and if Dwight Howard. Opt Out of the bubble in Orlando that I would have no problem with it so if I'm going to apply that. Standard of those guys I can't have a different standard for guys like Mike. Trout and David Price. I think any athlete. Doesn't see fit to play doesn't Avidan is hard to blame especially trout's case when and and the only try to sit publicly is that that baby is due in August right? We don't know beginning of August. We know middle of August so even if he goes down and place for two weeks. He. He's heard him say he doesn't want to bring it home to his wife or his baby, so if he said look, it's not worth it. Guys I'm opting out. He was running drills the other day. Mace with a mask right right. You know I wouldn't blame. My trophy sat out because I was him I probably would know and I I mean I think that it's it's completely understandable on the part of trout. You know you don't want to bring it home, you. You've got a pregnant wife. Your? It's your first child You're gonNA miss the delivery. If you're in involved in this baseball starter potentially, so yeah, no, I totally understand and they're going to be other players. Who decided not to play? That doesn't mean it's not playing. You still play a season. with with whoever is willing to play, and frankly that's most everybody. Most. Everybody seems willing to play at this point. David Price. DID OPT out. Citing fell families health as a priority. You can't say anything about that I. Mean that's it's a decision. Cova does a real coming by. Saying you felt pretty strongly that anybody who would up when we were talking about Mookie, Betts bogaerts or brought up the idea of a guy sitting out, because he was a free agent. We use George Springer or Mookie Betts as an example of somebody that may sit out because they don't want to screw up their free agency. You said that that would be unconscionable. Do you still feel the same way well? I mean that's what `Davis Batons doing for the Washington Wizards Right. A specifically doing it just to protect his season of free agency, not a mention of health. Well. No, he has, he's had to ACL's right, but I, but I mean health in terms of covert right. He's he's got a he. He didn't cite family concerns. He didn't cite Cova safety concerns. He cited I. Don't WanNa get hurt just before. I'm going to be a free agent. That's a different scenario than David Price you know I. Don't WanNa put my family through this or Mike Trout I. I don't want to bring this home to my pregnant wife for my newborn child mean those are different categories as opposed to for example, it might be different if Gooky bets chose to sit out because he is going to be free agent. Or you're talking about the two white Howard who might sit out to raise social awareness That's a hard one. Yeah, that's a hard one, but but again understandable. I think all these are personal choices, and you can't put people in the line of potential illness for the sake of the game if they don't want to play, and why would you want somebody there? That doesn't want to be there. Well. That guy's GonNa perform. Anyway coming up next, we're GONNA DO Radio Tinder. Lindsay is not here today. Funds how you feel about it. I did it's time for Radio Tinder. Michael funchess is in for Lens as as our tender host today funchess. Take it away all right. Shyla booth got a huge chest. Tattoo for a new movie swipe left or Swipe Right. I'm curious swipe right. All right so shy has a new movie called the tax collector coming out next month. I just saw the trailer. It looks really really good does look good. Yeah, in the movie. leboeuf plays a Jewish guy who grew up in the streets of. Angeles in in grew up to be like a huge gang leader. movie buff actually got the word creeper tattooed across his stomach. In addition to numerous other inc for the art are for the movie. I should say. Director movie they are aired said he's one of the best actors I've worked with, and he's the most committed to his body and soul. He had a tooth pulled on movie fury, and then on a tax collector. You got his whole chest tattooed. He kind of goes all in and then never known anyone that committed now guys you. You can commit to your craft just like Shaya did his. Don't understand about that Mace. You have a fairly significant to on your chest Yup. If you were doing it for a movie, why wouldn't you just do a temporary tattoo? Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't just do attempt Here's here's. There's a famous story JIM member the movie marathon man sure Lawrence Dustin Hoffman. Is it safe? So in the scene in the movie for those of you that haven't seen him by the way if you've never seen, it's an unbelievable movie There's a famous scene where Dustin Hoffman is. He's had his teeth drilled and pulled out of his head, and he's in all kinds of pain, and he's really struggling and He's emotional and he's just kind of a mess and he keep screwing up. The scene with Laurence Olivier considered one of the greatest actors of all time. In finally Laurence Olivier says I don't know what you're doing to yourself. Young Man, but why don't you just try acting And that's what I would say to the. How about just acting man? You don't need to have that creeper tattoo on your body for the rest of your life. You don't really need to have that. Tooth pulled I mean seriously. It's only acting you don't have to to. Hurt your body in order to do it. I don't understand what that meant that of acting that he uses. Oh, I guess it's Matt. Method right. Yeah, he's a method actor. He's like you know. He's not guy off the set. He wants him to call the characters name and all that stuff. The two other guys you hear that about all the time are Daniel, day-lewis and Christian Bale that apparently when they get a role, they go completely one hundred percent all in. These things are not necessarily. You don't need to like for example. Christian Belden a movie called the machinist. The machinist yeah, and he got his weight down to like ninety five pounds. Like no, you don't need to do that. That's why they have special effects makeup. Dude. That's why they have SC- CGI you can't. You can't lose fifty pounds for a role it, doesn't it? It's not healthy. And guys. This tattoo is like covering his whole stomach in chess is looking at it. It is awful man. It's awful creeper of all the things to have tattooed on yourself creeper. I watch all right. Kenny Smith really believes in his back toback. Houston Rockets Swipe left or swipe right. I'll swipe left. Let's skip that. Twenty years ago, Okay Chris Paul is still peeved about the. To the Lakers swipe left or swipe right. Swipe right. All right Paul was on a knucklehead podcast with Darius Miles and Quentin Richardson when he was asked about the field trade in twenty eleven, I was on the phone with my brother and my agent, and all that we figure out. I plan to get on to new. Orleans to get us to La. Let's just say my clicked over. And said hold on clicked over. Then he came back on. He was like stuttering and he was hot. We was hot. Mean Kobe had talking know what I'm saying we already. Talked already and all that it was a lot. It was a lot now. Guys! How much different would the last nine years for the Lakers and even MBA would have been if this traded happen. Oh it would have been in I been ridiculously different. That would have been. Arguably a back court comparable to Steph, curry and Klay Thompson Chris Paul's. That's to hall of fame guards, playing together in the prime of their careers and I'm trying to remember. They still could have. Traded for Dwight Howard. In worse case, scenario kept Andrew Bynum right. Yes, Gusau and Odom were going out in the deal, but Chris. Paul and Kobe Bryant on the same team would have been ridiculous would have been. Would have to think there would be no lob city. No clipper resurgent at all. No. No Lob city wouldn't have happened. It just wouldn't have happened I. Mean the Chris Paul Trade, I. David Stern. In an. UNADULTERATED way change the course of NBA history. and it was not the right decision. It was the wrong decision. Then it's the wrong decision now. The League was acting as the owner of New Orleans the new. Orleans franchise at that point and they were calling the shots, or is really the Lakers versus the rest of the League, I've always felt like. The Lakers should have filed an antitrust suit against the league. I thought it was completely unfair and unwarranted that that trade be B Turned over overturned so Yeah I I. IT sticks with me the future. The the League's history was changed in a real way by David stearns to you. Guys got to think that they would wanNA title at least right. Yes? Yeah, they were coming off of three straight finals appearances. You know. So I think date or the it was the first year after that they had lost in the Spring Phil. Jackson's last year boy would have changed the fortunes of Mike Brown. Remember that swimming, so that would have been two thousand eleven. Yeah, it was in. In that would have happened, but remember there was a lockout. And right, so it happened in the summer. Around December December right before the season started this season certain on Christmas, and that all went down in the first week of December right, yeah, boy, wrong decision wrong decision terrible move by David Stern worst move in his career, and that's all I. got for you guys all right well. That's good enough. Creeper Right across the stomach, the movie looks really good to really does look good for being a little weird. He's a really good actor. Yeah! By the way I wanted to mention this. I started to John. Get tons of of emails now. About the show and you can email me at any point mace at g mail DOT COM. That's Bennis Mace S E mail dot com hearing from people all over the world, and you missed a really really big day Friday. Or Thursday. 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SI Dispatch: New Look MLB + Running's Lost Season

Coronavirus + Sports

28:44 min | 5 months ago

SI Dispatch: New Look MLB + Running's Lost Season

"Well to corona virus and sports. This is Michaela Chair today are as I dispatched from our news desk team. We'll be talking to staff writer Chris. Chavez with updates from the world of running in marathons plus s is Emma breaks down news surrounding baseball both domestically and around I. Here's a recap of the weekend's developments around Corona Virus and sports on Friday. The women's national teams battle for equality suffered a major hit as a federal judge rejected. The teams claims of wage discrimination in comparison to their male counterparts judge. Our Gary Klausner wrote in his decision that the women's team did not prove wage discrimination under the equal pay act as they played more games and made more money than the men's team claims by players of unequal travel conditions especially charter flights on hotels. Stay medical and training support can still go to trial. Here's as is legal analyst. Michael McKEN Players Union negotiate a collective bargaining agreement. That dictated how they would be paid and that's always been a big hurdle for the players that their union agreed to a set of terms. It's hard to unwind that and the judge was willing to do so so most of the cases now out on summary Judgment parts of it remain including issues of airfare and hotel accommodations. The players convince the judge that there may be discrimination there. Those questions will go to a jury on June sixteenth. Assuming the trial happens but most of the case on Saturday former vice president presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. Joe Biden tweeted in support of the women's national team encouraging them not to give up the fight. In addition he gave a stark warning to the US Soccer Federation that as president he would cut funding if they don't receive equal pay finally on Sunday night. Espn broadcasted episodes five and six of the last dance and once again attracted the attention of millions on social media the episodes which are now midway point where even more nostalgic than usual as the night began with Kobe. Bryant speaking and being spoken about as we were taking back to the ninety nine eight all-star game and at Nineteen Kobe walking in as the youngest ever all-star the episode also gave us the birth of Michael Jordan's relationship with Nike and Air Jordan and Mj's Olympic experience in Barcelona. The sixth episode took a more introspective. Look as the film examined. Jordan's problems with gambling and fame. Which made him fill almost CLAUSTROPHOBIC. But the issue he said in one famous soundbite always came down to the ultimate competition. Problem last dance on. Espn and be shown every Sunday night. Nine and ten. Pm EASTERN AS MLB continues to battle scheduling in order to find the return to action. Plenty of other storylines trick Lacrosse. The baseball community today for example as daily cover features the fascinating growing world of playing cards and box breaking written by our own Emma Bushell E-e-eddie who joins us today. Make sure you read her piece on. Sl DOT COM joining us. Now is sports illustrated writer. Emma Basha leary. Emma thank you so much for joining us for having me. It's nice to chat absolutely. Let's go straight into Emma. Let's talk about MLB draft. The original schedule was set for June tenth. But there's been some moving parts due to cover. Nineteen you wrote about it. Of course where are we right now? And how does the you know outlook look in the near future? Yes the biggest change looking at for the draft. This year is that it could be as few woods. Five rounds which will be has traditionally had a very long Dozens of rounds thousands of players to operate a very big minor league system. Right now as we're looking at potentially no minor league baseball at all this year even as you know. Mlb looks to hoax. We have some sort of major league. Season was already looking to kind of contract. Some of the minor league teams garrison teams there In addition you all the complications that come up logistically with building out a draft. They're also looking at the logistic complications of continuing to have minor league baseball. As we know it at the scale we see it in so because of that it's going to be a much smaller draft than usual and as for the draft itself. A lot of questions are up in the air about just where that's going to be if it's going to be totally remote to if you know by June July it's able to be somewhat centralized in terms of having you know we officials in the same place for players at home. If it's going to be in June or July. It could be June tenth win. It was originally scheduled the built in some leeway there at appreciate back leader in June July. Yeah there's all sorts of questions right now about what that's going to look like a win. Where pretty much all we know? It's going to be much smarr now. As I mentioned you wrote a great piece about it because you know even though it's a shorter draft as you say there are are there is room for so many opportunities to be creative. I knew wrote a great piece on how? Mlb can learn from the NFL draft which was so successful obviously MLB draft is is not in terms of your ship in the past compared to the NFL. But what are some of the things that base will can do in order to make more engaging thing yeah baseball was actually already looking at trying to make the draft Marvan event? You know even before everything that's happened over. The last couple of months with growing virus at the end of last year the announced that they were moving the draft from Secaucus not very glamorous locations you Omaha which is also a very glamorous looking Omaha relate it line up with the College Baseball World Series. Which is always held on so for them to have the draft at the same time as the biggest moment for college. Baseball was going geese eventually huge a really good opportunity for them to make the draft. Something a little bigger at you know for his renting people the only time of year when you're paying attention to college baseball to luke the draft into that they were already looking at kind of making that a bit more of an event a bit more of something that people would watch me attention to in now looking ahead seen like you said the NFL draft old offer a really successful version of a virtual. You're showing how much find that can be to watch remotely and I think that provided opportunity for baseball to step in Introduce something similar that you know this is never been events that attracted a lot of attention but if you rolls around and we're still looking at a sports calendar that's really empty. We still don't know when we'll be able to watch sports again if areas that I know I for anything it's sports related and the MLB drafted stepping in. It's an opportunity to just really highlight some of these players who otherwise would not have gotten much attention at all general managers in exotic home. That was one of the most fun parts of the NFL draft to bring that here also could be defined on and yeah just now that we've seen a draft does not have to be boring. Just had done at home now that there's a blueprint for that. I think it could work. Even very draft that traditionally hasn't been as big a deal like you'll see whether it be so let. Let's talk about what everybody's really thinking and talking about when will action return? Obviously it's such a difficult question to ask because it really is not really down to us or even These leagues and as we look ahead to possibly starting a pandemic delayed season. There's a lot of talk about. Creating hubs were teams could play in specific areas specific states on rezone. Florida taxes are being mentioned. What's the latest on that development? Yeah it's still extremely up in the air. It still really hurry to answer a win aware. How but yeah like you mentioned. There's a lot of things in play Watson traces on the table and because of I think there's some decent level of optimism around the idea that there is going to be baseball. This year again could take any form right now. It's hard to say on. It almost certainly isn't going to be in. May even in June. That's a big question mark but July at that that does seem to be. The team. Bowl are ways to do this. They've been in consultation with lots of different public. Health experts. Deputy neurologists All sorts of people who are looking logistics of it and Whether it asks in Hubs Lucky said in Arizona Texas Florida whether it's some variation of that You know if they're the infrastructure to support simply mostly would include testing or coronavirus ability to test players in human everyone who relatively frequently if the country is in a spot where you know other things reopening which were seeing kind of a crash word I in other capacities around the country. Yea The possibility of something in July looks pretty promising. Although what that something is has wind up in the air blind glimmer of hope but a glimmer of hope nonetheless you wrote also a really one of the first stories on Taiwan. And how over there? It's baseball league is going a bed without fans. What's the story there? Where are we in that location? Yeah so in Taiwan. The Chinese Professional Baseball League which is their legal rights considering usually the third biggest one in Asia. You have the Japanese league the Korean League and then you have this Taiwan. It's been up and running for a weeks now doing really well. They've asserted streaming games online for American they haven't english-language dream for the fresh that's been really successful. They've had a couple million viewers over three or four weeks. They've been playing which is has exceeded their expectations by all accounts on it. It's a lot of fun to watch. They do have some American players over there and yet like you said it's without fans which is also probably we'll be looking at whenever it does return but they still manage to make it was broadcast. Find there's a lot of stadium noise. The broadcasters Are doing a very good job of keeping up a sense of you know. You can't mimic Noise but you can really bring the viewers in you can get a good reporter going They're doing a good job. Making you feel like you're not watching baseball without fans and so I think that's a really ominous sign win. Baseball does come back in the states. Even about vantage probably will be it can still be allowed to find. It can still be really engaging the Korean League K B O will probably be back this first week in. May which is really exciting and promising and so there'll be another group in there a belief that's even bigger has more logistics handle and also is now a place where they look off the ground little by little you can see it and I'm sure lessons can be taken and I know that you mentioned you know about the possibility of maybe July. Nobody knows. Obviously there's so many questions up in the air but in your opinion what does it look like? Do you think the future of the League in terms of this year even further than July. We have assured a playoff system. Does it become even more Pressurizing just because it's shorter. What teams suffer? What do you think baseball? Mlb looks like As we look on two July and a hat while there has been talk of extending. The season asked Kimber October I don't think we're going to push much beyond that. So the idea of playing anything close to full season I personally think is not going happening gets more likely that we see something along the lines of any one game season half a season which would provide a lot of opportunities or a really different playoff which could be a lot of fun There's been some talk of media. Totally extended layoff fields. You know the idea of having if not every team making the playoffs having a very full playoff field where you're having some sort of round robin tournament on leading up to the world series rather than just the traditional Divisional Series League Championship series. Which I think could be a lot of finding could be really interesting I think the takeaway for me is that everyone realizes the season will have normal. There's not really space to make it normal and have any baseball at all. If it's done in a way that safe in public health very minds will be a good thing into just. Appreciate it for what it is. So I think using the chance to kind of experiment with the playoff format to realize this won't be a conventional playoff system. This won't be regular world series. A good. I think that you know doing something that can involve as many teams as possible in a way that's finding engaging is a Benefit I think. It can make for a exciting October even in October. This year is in November. Yeah he will certainly see something different but at this point it seems like it's leaning more towards there will be something. I think that's a good thing I could think indeed SL rider. I'm really a great person to fall on twitter. If you haven't already Emma Basha leary. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. We'll return after these short messages. Sports and scandals. What more could you ask for every week on? Hall of Shame. A new podcast from crooked media folks sports host and Comic Rachel Bonita and Comedy Writer. Reggina truck bomb take each other through some of the biggest scandals in sports history to discover the humanity behind the headlines from the thrill of Dhaka's No hitter to the agony of Rosie Ruiz. Marathon lies they get to the bottom of what happened. Why these stories matter and how they're still relevant today you'll laugh you'll cry. You'll feel more invested in sports than you ever thought. Possible new episodes of Hall of shame. Come out every Monday. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. In any normal year spring also means the arrival of marathon season but given the outbreak major events. Such as the London and Boston marathons were forced to reschedule. Big running events aside. Covert nineteen has severely impacted the running community in more ways than one. Here's S is Christmas. Joining us. Now is my colleague Chris Chavez as I rider especially for track and field marathons the Olympics is the founder of cities MAG and the podcast host of runners of NYC. Chris thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me Chris. Let's begin with some generally recent news as USA. Track and field committee set some new dates for the twenty twenty one Olympic trials. When will those be? And what are the latest updates in regards to the trials themselves yes the? Us Olympic trials in twenty twenty have been moved obviously to twenty twenty one. The Olympic trials are the track Happens over a span of ten days where the top three finishers in each event that have the qualifying standards or marks for The Olympics will go to the Summer Games in Tokyo so pretty much. It's finished the top three in your event and as long as you have run fast enough jumped far enough for thrown far enough. Whatever it is you get to go to the Olympics in so the meat was initially going to be held in late June of this year. Obviously maybe four or five weeks before the Olympics and now because the Olympics have been moved to twenty twenty one. The trials again moved to June. Eighteenth to twenty seven. Twenty twenty one. They're still on the twenty twenty trials because they're keeping the name for the Olympic so that also kind of means that if you qualify ready because the marathon trials already happened in February so they're six members of the US Olympic track field team that have already been selected. But because it's keeping the name. There's no need to rerun the Olympic marathon trials or anything like that so those six members are the first six to already locked in their spots. So they'll get to go and now it's a matter of figuring out who else the Russet team is and that'll happen at the trials next year so as you mentioned logistics still to come many things Yet to be updated but you talk to a lot of athletes and track and field world. What's the overall sentiment with them as the Olympics? Even now still really hangs in the balance so for the most part. There's just this general feeling that there is no outdoor track and field season this year because those would be happening right now and they would be running through September and that's just not possible the governing global body world. Athletics has already said that. No mark is going to count for Olympic qualifying through November thirtieth. I believe so pretty much means even if you were to get a chance to compete at attract me the time or anything doesn't count towards a qualifying for the Olympic so the really is very little incentive there this is just pretty much a year of training for people but the general sentiment is also is how can I do that to the highest level when so many factors are in the way gyms are closed if he trained with a group. There's that Opportunity. Isn't there anymore so it's the weirdest strangest buildup. It feels like an episode of Black Mirror if you were to try and find a sports angle to it. That's how weird things have gotten. But that's just the reality that we're living in. So people are doing what they can. Through social distancing and whatever's available to them. Some people obviously have much nicer gyms at home. And there's definitely an imbalance there but it's everyone's doing what they can at this point and track will be back at some point. The big question is what is that. Look which is you know. We start off with cross country in the fall. What is across country? Meet look like with social distancing. What is what are these marathons even look like with social distance? The marathons are the first thing that come up on the calendar bad. I think it's a little too soon. Yeah I mean that's a great segue to what I was GONNA ask next which is marathons right as you mentioned You know so. Many things are changing ran the Boston Marathon. Which has happened last week as we're taping. This is scheduled for the fall. Do you see that first of all as a realistic expectation that September will be a good time for the math in two to start again. I Love the Boston Marathon. And it's one of my favorite events. Go to every year and it's something that a lot of people look forward to you know especially when they were. They announced the fact that it's GonNa be scheduled for September. A part of me doesn't believe that it will happen this year. I mean not not for everyone at least in this is a race that attracts thirty thousand. Plus people as a right now. That seems a little irresponsible to happen. Could you hypothetically also limited to just elite athletes where you have twenty runners going head to head? Twenty men twenty women whatever. It is racing. It's it just doesn't feel the same especially with the race like Boston. Where so much of it is the atmosphere in the history in the tradition so September? Seems a little bit too soon for for something like that to happen Even then right after that they really piled on all these marathons into a much smaller window. Usually these things happen. Tokyo is in March. Boston and London are in April now. They're in September and October than you go to Chicago. Chicago's in October and the New York City Marathon. The world's biggest marathon has fifty thousand plus people is in November and I spoke with the former race director of the New York City Marathon. Who RETIRED IN TWO THOUSAND EIGHTEEN? But now he's just kind of like all of us taking in the news and the question. I had for him was. What does it take for him to feel safe at a race? Like this because he has plans to to run the New York City Marathon for the first time in a long time. And you know. His answer was to parted. He said he would like for everyone to be tested. The problem is it's fifty thousand people and you've got people coming in from you know Europe and Asia all around the world to come and run this race. It's a lot of people to test when we already have a problem with the number of tests that doctors and nurses can get a hold up and the second part is is this something you can even socially distance. Can you get enough space when there's fifty thousand people on these roads and that's a big challenge? That is just take place. Not just in marathons but in just races in general whether it's so I think we're going to have to take a step back and reexamining. Nc How the sport is going to to look like in the future and if you look at it from a financial perspective to allow these races also take big hits on through cancellations postponements and on the college level. There's just many different levels to it college levels with with the cutting back of how much you're able to finance into athletic departments track and Field. Teams are in jeopardy. Because you know they're not some of these revenue generating sports so teams are going to start traveling less and after really scale back on the economics of how a track and field team operates on the college level so this pandemic has ripples on all levels within the sport even though it's one of the simplest we're all have all you need is a pair of shoes you put one foot in front of the other. So yeah it's it's GonNa look different for the next couple of months but right now everyone running has become an escape for people for the most part really really good points especially on a sport that not only brings professionals but amateurs all in one event really really good points. Let's let's talk about the fact that you know your podcast. You interview many runners You are friends with any of you. Understand exactly what it takes. You are runner yourself. What are some of the most interesting stories? You're getting from these runners. Aren't they deal from quarantine whether it's the way that they're training or how mentally they're preparing themselves etc. What are some of the most interesting stories? Yes they've been for the most part you you'd like to talk to these athletes ahead of big races but no one has that right now so it has become a question of how are you dealing with this and also like what are you doing to kind of stay active. No one knows for how long this is GonNa go for. So it's that every athlete deals with this trying to peek at certain times during the year. But that's just not possible when you don't know when you're next big races so how people have been killing times and how they've been training has been fairly interesting. There's also you know the the fundraising initiatives that people are doing. What are they doing? Give back to their communities or to the people on the front lines for me. You know one of my friends is David Kilgour. He's a runner in New York City. Who runs for the New York Athletic Club when he did was? He went back to his hometown in Palm Bay Florida. And then he ran a hundred miles in one day which is ridiculous and absurd on all levels Some people don't run a hundred miles a week. I barely touch one hundred miles in a month but he decided to do it or a year. My friend Pat. He decided to do it in one day to try and raise money for local retailers and this is what. I thought a very interesting way of approaching it. He wanted to raise money for retailers in the New York City area the area because you know these small mom and pop running shops or being definitely being affected through the pandemic because they've had to close their doors so by gift cards to them and then give it to the front line workers the medical workers so they can get you know whether it's footwear. Or whatever it is apparel Because they're on their feet all day so it was a way of giving back to both people. Then there's also you know the strawberry components drop as the popular fitness in Social Media App where people upload all their workouts. Assisi people getting really created whether it's running downhill miles. That are ridiculously fast. Or on superfly courses trying to test out the limits of of their personal best times versus getting creative with things. People running marathons on balconies and on the rooftops. And it's just absurd sometimes so there's been really a lot of creativity that comes with it too And everyone's just kinda doing their part to do this safely and and alone for the most part running with people and with groups is what really makes the sport fun and to have that taken. Away is very depressing. But we're it just you know this is a moment for us to pause really reflect on what has made those experiences so great and how can make even better going forward. It's such a tight community sharing the great things about teamwork. Chris finally aside from being a writer journalist. As I mentioned your runner yourself and a great one at that you you do a lot of races through the year. How are you dealing with all of this at the moment during a time that you can't do what you love at the very least as frequently as you wished so? My big goal for this year was to break three hours for the marathon and I was hoping to do that at the Chicago Marathon now. The marathon hasn't been canceled has been postponed yet. It's still on the calendar for October. But personally I'm a little doubtful that it's going to take place as scheduled so right now. I'm just using running as an outlet. You know to not be stressed out during the day you take in so much news just following everything even in sports you know. It's been the pandemic infiltrated that so it just becomes so much. I've just been running and training daily as normal and it's been great. I actually have seen some positive improvement in in my running and I'm fortunate to be you know isolated with two of my running teammates. So we're convinced that we are among the healthiest people in the world because we keep to our own little bubble And it's been fun so but I I also can't wait to to race again That'll be whenever that will be So it's it's been it's been definitely weird. I would say but I'M KI. It's it's definitely helped me out and I'm less stressed. There's going to be a huge boom after this in running in popularity the popularity of the sport because so many people are also finding that same feeling Chris. Chavez sports illustrated thank you so much for joining. Yeah thank you for having me thanks to Chris Chavez and Emma. Basha leary for joining me today. We'll continue bringing you the stories throughout the corona virus crisis. If you like what we're doing please recommend to a friend or family member and leave a rating and review on Apple podcasts. It really helps others find a show. You can listen to Corona Virus and sports for Free. Wherever you get your podcasts. And be sure to subscribe or follow us for the latest episodes. Stay safe and we'll see you next time.

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"I am a woman and I am fast" (The Caster Semenya Story)

Hall of Shame

30:47 min | 6 months ago

"I am a woman and I am fast" (The Caster Semenya Story)

"Hey everybody I'm Rachel and I'M RETINA. And this is home shape so weird time obviously. We're all adjusting I've been a lot of time being very angry. Government and just being frustrated at the images of people still partying or whatever. But isn't that crazy in Florida? It's like go guys go on and government like Lee down it down Don't rely on individuals citizens. I want to say this. Though on the flip side the number of people who very quickly have shifted their entire lives to do the right thing is awesome and I'm trying to remember in the number of private citizens have stepped up to like donate like Shea. Serano he's just like every day on a Maisuradze Shea and if you're not following him on twitter please just go and see the incredible sealants doing. I JUST WANNA take time to pause and the people who actually are making a difference in like just. I don't know a person who's an respecting staying at home social distancing and. I'm whatever job a lot of us. Thank you for starting. This often positive. Yeah I needed that. Okay so I wanNA talk today to you about a woman who was too good at her sport and we all know no one likes a lady who's too good at something and anything. I'm sorry but like why are we so intimidating to you guys you know? Why don't you be? It's awesome when women are awesome things because they get shit done get shit done. We Win World Cups. You know speaking of which I want to talk about this last week the US Soccer Federation in court so the US women's soccer team is suing them. Because they get paid half with the men's soccer team get paid despite being arguably more famous and definitely a more success arguably name me one. I know I know soccer. But but either way a far more successful one on the world stage and the US Soccer Federation in legal documents. I'm GONNA paraphrase here. But basically they were like the reason we pay them men more because it's harder for them and they have to deal with a lot more and their skill levels higher all things that are not true. It's my my favorite part about all of this. Is I feel like any time. People are talking shit about the. Us Woman's for example. This document legal document that came out. They just so happened to be playing a game that night. Not even just a game in a tournament that she believes cup and then go on to win and I feel like that happens so often. And that's what happened that night that they just have this opportunity to shut everybody up Megan Repeal Nathan talking trash that day on scores million goals like she's incredible. This team's incredible. Us soccer step up. It's crazy yeah well they the. Here's the good news. The President resigned replaced by a woman. Hey in a time where? There's a lot hardship coming at us. It's a little bright light. Something Exciting Yup. Point is people cannot handle when women are too good at something. I love this Saas. Come up with your head. So speaking about women are too good at things okay. Today's story is about middle distance runner and champion. Caster SEMENYA caster Semenya. I've definitely heard that okay but I don't know a lot. See here we go. That's why I gotTa tell this. Story buckled up she was born in Nineteen ninety-one and grew up in South Africa's Limpopo province in a remote village. She was raised by her grandmother with three sisters and a brother and grew up in relative poverty in a home with no running water or electricity. Ready like we are rooting for castor. One thousand resents. She describes herself as having been adventurous and independent and really gravitated toward sports from a really young age. She loved to play soccer with the boys in her town and go and long runs from village to village. Love it amazing. And in every sport she played she had a ton of natural talent. She crushed it so much that a local club decided to bring her into trainers runner. Whoa anyway this local club just so you have a picture in your head. It's not like some fancy club. It didn't have graded tracks. There were like animals often crossing the track because it was a rural area A lot of the kids who train couldn't afford running shoes and it was. You know it was just like it was a club in the sense that it was a group of people coming together without very much trying to create a facility in the best way that they could just to like help young athletes. Yeah good for them for context facilities that more. Privileged athletes have access to like indoor and outdoor tracks. They're super well-maintained and weight. Room and nutrition. Yeah anyway meanwhile are Girls Club. Were long distance runners to go off the track and get like thorn stuck in their bare feet. That's how de dead. I am not dedicated to anything in READING ABOUT CASTOR. I was laying. We're losers. Yeah we she had none of the advantages of a lot of the other runners that she later in the story will compete against but she had all that natural ability and she began to find success in running like pretty quickly right. This was her calling. Yeah I that this rural club. They're like this girl is too big for us. So in two thousand eight at the age of seventeen she qualifies for the Commonwealth Youth Games. As a middle distance runner. Race was the eight hundred which is half a mile or two laps around a standard track. Wow so the Commonwealth. Youth Games is a teen version of the Commonwealth Games which is a multi. Sport event held every four years. Kind of like the Olympics teams who compete in it are up and comers from the UK Canada and some countries in Africa and Asia so like basically for Britain and its former colonies So I guess inclusive but also reminding us of the dark history of colonialism all the same time so oh that's a little background knows. Hey light anyway. Caster made it to the finals of the eight hundred meter race and she kinda just like lead. From the GECKO dominated. The race won the gold and came in at an insane time of two minutes. Four seconds. Which maybe you're like. Is that what that means? Here's conduct okay. It's two minutes. Four seconds was only eleven seconds behind the adult world record set in one thousand nine hundred three by a runner shit and Semenya was only seventeen and literally running in her first official race. Why if this happened right now. She would be number one trending topic on twitter right. I mean this was not the same thing is this is to doesn't eat. It's not like I'm timeout. Nineteen eighty-eight in two thousand eight. She should have been the number one trending topic on twitter girl. Yes our queen so like and she's running literally running her first official raise international race. Like wow and just give us a like paint the picture here. The silver medal was won by a Rachel Stringer of England and the bronze was won by Lindsay Sharp Scotland both of whom came from privileged backgrounds. I mean much. More privilege to castor and in fact Lindsay is literally running royalty. Both of her parents also ran for Scotland. So when castor who up until then was literally unknown in the world of running comes in beats these women record-breaking time it was an inspiring underdog moment. Why is this? Somebody made a movie of? I Love Sport. This is the reason. Why as a woman articulate like this yes and caster. Frames is raised as the one where she was born as an athlete does she understood has eveland meaningful big moment. Yeah and after this race she was totally vaulted into the spotlight. But not all of the attention was as positive as it should have been. People were suspicious of why and how castor was so good when they'd never heard of her before and she seemed to come out of nowhere but our girl kept running the next year. She made an even bigger splash at the African junior championships. In July. Two thousand nine. She won the eight hundred meters in one minute. Fifty six seconds improving her personal best by seven seconds in less than nine months. That's working has her does. That's what caster does no woman ran a faster. Eight hundred meter that entire year including senior level runners. This good that time on this sounds like episode to Rosie Ruiz. As passer didn't ride a subway like she. Also I know guys know. This is a different story. She crushes ray so hard that it qualified her for the two thousand nine World Championships in Berlin. Which would be her. First Senior competition though competing in all these races was obviously a personal triumph and showed her extraordinary raw talent to the world. This two thousand nine world championships that she's about to go to became the race that Kinda define her career for better and for worse. Whoa what a setup someone applause here cliffhanger because before we go any further I gotta talk about a detail that is unfortunately going to be important to the story and that is casters physical appearance. Her gender presentation is in traditionally feminine. She is a deep voice. A muscular physique and both on the and off dresses in what some people might deem like a more masculine way which isn't win in this fluid world. We shouldn't be timeout anymore. But here we are the she also identifies as a lesbian though. It's not clear she was at at the time that we're talking about. But she did apparently meet her now wife back in two thousand seven which would have been before this and she's definitely out now she and her wife got married in two thousand seventeen. Okay back to our store. Some people in the running community had been questioning casters since she came on the scene in two thousand eight because of course when a woman great at something it has to be suspect and scrutinized and and when she doesn't look exactly like the little perfect whatever that they needed to look like even more so okay so we're at the world championships. Berlin two thousand nine castor crushes through her qualifying races making it to the finals as we would assume she would all right so they're getting ready to run the gun goes. She's near the front of the pack. There's one woman ahead of her funeral runners Renner tail. She's like in there. She's looking confident and then she makes her move and she's like looking so controlled like elbows in like. She's so it's almost like everyone else is running this one race and then this girl just like in her zone white jobs is a job like it doesn't look effort foil and but she's just like whipping past them like by the end of the first left she just like pulls so far ahead of everyone. Here's commentary on the race over fifty two. Okay I'll say after watching this which I just did right now with you it. It looks like she's got so much gas in the tank. You can win this game win. That's ever really reminds you of when you same bolt used to win those one hundred yard dashes and you'd be like damn it. It feels like this guys like from a different plan. He's like she's like I'm GonNa show with all you guys back chance and then when the time comes I'm out. Yeah we're just amazing then. Yeah and then in the last quarter of the race she has burst of energy impulse so far ahead like no one can catch her. Cast so good for the win. I love this woman. She wins the gold with a two and a half second lead which is huge. Erase this short And a time of one minute fifty. Five seconds again improving on her own best time a minute. Fifty six from the girl can't just like I'm just GonNa like getting better and better which makes which also makes sense because she's working hard and she started hitting her peak age and So this is obviously a triumphant moment. And Castro's one this really important race looks pose her career. Really Take Off Because this happened like on the biggest of stages but instead this is where shit starts to get really messed up so before she ran the IAF the international amateur Athletic Federation now called World. Athletics forced her to take a blood test. And Castor was under the assumption that it was a doping test which is like pretty routine especially. If she's killing it everything yeah. I'm sure some people do that but after she won the race news broke that the test is actually for sex verification to make sure she was actually a woman on the end up confirming that that was true. No no go crazy. No there is no way for caster to have had any sense that that's what this was. She has female Genitalia and she's she herself has said she never questioned her sex or her gender growing up never had any desire to be anything but the woman if she had the peanut cop or was it like test but it was like it felt to her very standard looking back. Now you're like but you don't know right and the point is it was a huge violation of her body and also crazy unorthodox not to tell an athlete what they're being tested also wise on them to tell her. Why do we have these things out in the like? Why is getting out into the world? This should be lighter thing how the how the AF tricked her into taking the hormone tests was that they got a blood sample under the guise that it was routine procedure to be clear. They took a part of her body for something without her knowledge which is incredibly invasive and dehumanizing the tests we now know revealed that she had elevated levels of testosterone and the results which were supposed to be confidential to your earlier point. We're leaked at the time. And of course the tabloid the Daily Telegraph picked up the story. Of course so. This is a law. It was a crazy article. It was like incorrect and insulting questioning whether or not. She was intersex talking about which organs she may or may not have like speculating on that. It was super gross. And like this is not the sort of thing that should ever be published published in the first place. So we do they. Did they publish? The results are just published the fact that they test a published like their interpretation of the results and all we actually know to be true. Now is that Semenya has a condition called hyper androgen them. Which basically means her body produces more testosterone than women usually have all women naturally produce testosterone just usually at certain lower levels. So hyper androgen is when you produce more than that Often the case of it is polycystic Ovary Syndrome. Now I'm a doctor just clearly I believe you. Yeah but there's like a lot of other causes and it shows up a ton of different symptoms like acne facial hair and frequent periods. It makes sense that people don't know they have it because those are symptoms. I could describe like Friday. I'm like who hasn't been waxing and laser in dealing with zits arisen predictable periods. All of us. Yeah so at this point. Imagine finding out that you thought you're being tested. You know routine tested for drugs feeling like I'm good. I didn't take any instead. You're being tested for sex verification. And you don't you don't find that out from anyone like you don't find that out from them you find out from the media and I she probably has no idea. This is what's going on with her body she does. She's just like this is just who I am. I'm really fast. La via correct. I'm a woman and this is what you find out in the media. Yeah and that it's being turned around and used to discredit your talent instead of being celebrated for being dominant Which if it was a man would immediately do caster. Instead is heavily scrutinized by everyone the press her peers. Random assholes like people totally turned on her after this the I. A. F. Screw. These guys argued that they feel obligated to test because of her drastic improvement over like in such a short time with jerks. Like if that's true why'd you hide it? Went you just say we have to do this? Because of your improvement and if that's true then are you testing every fucking athlete? Who improves really quickly thousand percent? What about the man that have like you say probably a better time in his prime was probably putting up better numbers every single time correct? It feels obvious that the issue is not with how good she is but with how she looks and her gender presentation like it feels very clear to me because and that's why they tested because I bet if she was like blonde and dainty they would not test yeah she would she would be the star and she would be like the Lebron James of female running and there would be like. What can we get you? Yeah what can we take this money and just keep on running fighting off and started because she didn't like look like that? Let's try and get this girl. On his show horrifies gusting and on top of it a lot of our competitors were also super nasty. They were pissed that she'd be allowed to run against them because they're probably all sour grapes thing because they're not as good so Italian runner. Lisa Coups Ma said quote. These kinds of people should not run with us for me. She's not a woman she's a man awful. I'm dragging these ladies because there's not drag them. Maria seven Nova Russia was like just look at her. It's like I'll just look at you. Look at your insides because either. So this one in Berlin gets completely overshadowed by hostility homophobia probably some racism mixed in not only was caster robbed of Billick well-worn earn glory but she was publicly humiliated. She's eighteen nineteen. Let's just take this all in. Yeah this law. She's not yet twenty all right so after the sex verification test the AF after all of this insult to injury teams are ineligible to compete for eleven months because of testosterone levels in two thousand and Tan. Caster is finally cleared to run again. What we didn't know but found out later is that in order to be able to compete. Castor was forced by the AF to take hormones. Suppressing medication to take drugs. Now now she has her act drugs that she'll then testified absolute drug friendly wild and in two thousand eleven the AF. Codified this rule saying if women have over a certain amount of testosterone. They have to use suppressing meds. It's like bitch. Do you have the same rule if adduced has elevated also? Are you testing everyone for having elevated testosterone? No you're basing it on depending on how someone looks like that's crazy. Would if a dude have elevated levels of estrogen and that helped him be good at something he we question that would it be like. You can't compete. Just firing me up Rachel. I can tell at the time because she's this girl just trying to run yes. She loves running. She just took them without a fight. She didn't WanNa get shut. It of races. She just wanted to be able to run. And it wasn't until actually last year that she came out and revealed how horrible the experience was not only did the meds make it hard for her to focus but they made are super sick. And you wouldn't have known this because she plowed through it and kept running like a champ. I can't imagine changing any of your levels at any time heals good like every month when to arrive. Your body feels crazy. 'cause a hormone and this is what your body is. Naturally this is the flow whether it's more testosterone or estrogen that this woman. That's what makes her like. You know who exactly can't be messing with that stuff. So while on these meds Cassar goes to the two thousand twelve Olympics. Obviously she's like barely able to focus because he's Menzer fucking her up. Her bodies fucked up. She's still runs an amazing eight hundred meter and wins the silver and later it actually became the gold because sidebar. It turns out the Russians. We're doping Marvin Gaye. Classes are feeling Marino Russian and that Russian woman is disqualified so not only did she get silver. She actually got even those crazy hormones. Caster keeps running on meds until two fifteen imagine when the core of Arbitration for sports finally suspended that horrible AF rule. And actually they do this. Because of the case of another runner with hyper androgynous. Do Tae Kwon Do Tae. Is another very talented runner. Sprinter in the hundred meter dash super bad ass. India's first openly gay athletes and also just like one of India's few Olympic athletes period which I'm like country of one billion come guys together. Olympic athletes so the heart of this issue was basically due elevated testosterone levels lead to an advantage in running. There's this woman. Paula Radcliffe the fastest female marathon runner. Who testified against do tae claiming that like some women have more testosterone and that makes the competitions equal in a greater way than simple natural talent and dedication. And I'm like why this bitch even testifying. She's a runner. Not a scientist what's happening. But that's really the stakes here. People are asserting that elevated testosterone scientifically gives an advantage. And it's not just about like natural talent or hard work but what is natural even mean in this context because like you said just anyways also. These women's testosterone levels are natural to them. Yeah that's their natural state so let's actually turn to the science and not just as random marathon runner. The World Medical Association has called on doctors around the world not to implement these rules. The president said in a statement. We have strong reservations about the ethical validity of these regulations. They are based on weak evidence from a single study which is currently being widely debated in the scientific community and a group of scientists has charged the IAS for relying on faulty data in trying to establish precise advantages of athletes with elevated testosterone levels. Which have not been proven to be that significant and most of argue that science is not conclusively shown that elevated to Stasio gives any more of a significant competitive then factors in you access to coaching and training facilities proper equipment. None of which castor had and other genetic and biological variation so the truth is it's not any more or less of an advantage than all the other ways in which sports can be on one thousand percent and I don't feel a you can discriminate on any of these. You can't just people on it like I'll go back to the Lebron. He has something special that I do not act you know. And that Kyrie Irving doesn't have. That's another basketball player that he plays. He's even one next level. These things people are just special. And that's why the Olympics exist correct. We compete like this. You just had the point is there are so many ways that the playing field isn't truly equal bass okay. That is literally the premise of competitive sports. Why we have competition. That's why we love. Competition is to watch somebody shine especially underdogs Cinderella so in that two year period where they let Castro compete without taking drugs. She goes the Olympics in two thousand sixteen not on the meds and of course she wins the gold because she's not drugged out of her mind. No doping Russians to compete with wins the golden the hundred and she does because she's she's amazing and she works how she was born and we need to respect her but those garbage still wasn't over in two thousand eighteen so now we're just like two years ago the Ias came back with yet. Another new rule that women have to take suppressing medication. If they're over a certain testosterone level but only for runners from four hundred meters and up which includes caster. It is like why does not wanNA listen to decide what's happening. Get their jobs. I say God you know and Yeah I mean you know come on we all know so it is clear aster is like enough of this bullshit. I'm fighting back. Oh girl girl everything they push through and she's still a fighter so in two thousand nineteen she takes the IAF to the Court of Arbitration of sports over this new rule and this time at least she's finally met with the support. She deserves from the South African Community. But also from the international public. Like a change dot org petition. Billie Jean King came out in support. People woke up. Finally we've been waiting still the court cited to like. Oh I know fucking furious. Also how badly do you want to meet Castro and be like you're my hero? Who are my absolute hero. So let's raise the court sided with the CASSAR immediately filed an appeal this time with the Swiss Supreme Court and this is what she said which I think is so beautiful. She said I'm a woman and I'm a world class athlete. The IAS will not drug me and stopped me from being who I am. Yes. It's not girl that's it so I'm not. I don't know how to hold on. Hold on hold on like it's listen. No I'm improving doesn't know how to do you just hear that that was happening like rubbing your hands around. That was wild. Okay all right. So the Swiss court. Listen we know how courts work. It's all crazy briefly. Suspended the rule letting her run and then they revoked the suspension and the rules currently back in place. So it's listen. It's not resolved to day so yeah Cassar kind of boiled it down where she said what they're saying is when a woman performs at a high level. It's a problem but when a man performs Oh great. All hail the greatest. Well put castor So in September two thousand nineteen so just this past fall. It looked like it might have had enough of running and she kind of was like. I'm going to go focus on soccer because this girl was like good luck with that bullshit because it's got its own Garbage that we talked about this so I'm drawing so many I now okay but here's just a little hopeful note ten this on about time in February of this year this horrific here that we're only three months into God. She ran her first public race in eight months. A three hundred meters so below that four hundred standard so she doesn't have to take the drugs at a low level meet at the University of Johannesburg. And of course she won and it was kind of like a statement. I'm going to figure out a way to keep running. Oh yeah good. Someone is a happy ending. I know counselor Semenya now. She is twenty nine. Wow so she's still going so she's she's still at an age where she can still rush it. The point is she spent her peak decade. The Decade of your twenties crushing it on one hand and having to fight people on the other who just couldn't handle her dominant. And you know what makes me so sad is like we could have witnessed incredible athlete doing incredible things because he was busy and trying to fight all of this bullshit. We weren't able to see any of those. Yeah everyone was robbed so like let's break this down at all. When does leveling the playing field bleed into discrimination and like just totally blur ethical boundaries? And is this even leveling the playing field because we talked about before there's all these advantages athletes have. So what's the point? There's no such thing as levelling the type of wire. Why are we trying to level the playing field that I it's a correct? I mean literally. Sports is about watching incredible. People do incredible thing. Yeah and it should be based off of how hard they work. How naturally talented? They are and what they're calling the playing field when it comes to like how much money goes into forest. You know those kinds of things but like let the good really good agreed and I mean obviously there's like a sexist and racial component here like we're not asking Michael Phelps to take tests or hormone reducing pills to defend his domination. We didn't ask Roger Federer what about Steffi Graf when she was dominating Oh but wait she straight and blonde so you know what I mean. Caster is such an amazing example of triumphing over all the adversity. That's thrown at you. I mean you know she's dealt with things you and I couldn't even imagine crumble and I guess for me. It's like what we can do now after she's been through. This is just support her because remember the beginning. This that name's familiar but it's not fully ringing a bell. I think what you and I can do here is. Let's make that name ring a bell. We're teaching so many people about who she is like. I've learned today listening to you. Talk about her so now that people know her story and feel like the last few years you know in the Metoo era and the reason reason that all of these changes are happening is because of women and they're speaking up and opposite up yes women light caster so let's root for her. She's so rude. -Able I want a Jersey for instance. Where's My casters runners have jerseys? I WANNA pay top okay. I want some running shorts. I don't know I want my caster. Semenya Nike's Whoa Holiness Second. Hey Nike like athletes like castor matter and the way that we make sure that we support athletes who matter is by giving them a voice and show in our support. Let's make this woman at household name. Are you guys will be back next week? Stay safe stay distance. Yeah and stay sane and also cast. All shame is a product of crooked media show is produced by Carolina Reston Alison Falls are executive producers. 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Lebrons defense last night was laughably bad to the point that kouzmine was just shoving him into a close out at the three point line. He is emotionally physically done with this season. They're not going to be making the playoffs. The schedule is too hard. This is the greatest shame of LeBron James's professional career. It's the worst year of his of his career. And I don't know where it goes from here. I do believe that the analysis. That's correct on this is he missed eighteen games. And if he hadn't because there were two things that happened with the missing of eighteen games. Everyone realized how bad is teammates were including his teammates. He realized that we realized it they realized that an also over those eighteen games that he was out. He lost all of them mentally because of everything that happened with Anthony Davis. And now what you've got. It is just it's just awful what they are playing horrible Bastable. They're out here with games. They've got a win losing to the sons sons aren't even trying to win. Right. It's an indignity to him. Right. I mean, it's a personal indignity for him to be associated with what he's walked into. And and he had to think that his star power was going to attract somebody that this wasn't going to be kind of season that they were part that has to be startling to him. Is that Laker fans? Okay. There were many many zealots out there tied to their allegiances Lakers out four games under five hundred many people out there who were just not happy with the arrival of LeBron James because of how they believe in and support Kobe Bryant, and now you can look there aren't a lot of times you're fined two dollars for that. By the way, your phone when you could pay now, you know could could pay right now. Let's see let's see if you have some money. Let me see if I have anyone that you take casino chips or no. Do you still have have casino Jones for normally normally I do leaving a cruise? But this time I cashed in. That's a fine by the way because he's got audio equipment whatever's phone made a noise during an iphone. But he got I understand that. He I understand that he missed games, and that's a big qualifier. But regardless of what people's expectations were entering the season there behind the kings and the standings kings roster. Oh, there's no excuse for that. They're buying the clippers. I thought that clippers weren't trying to win. No excuse for this. It's a great shame on the Lakers to to not be able to put any pieces around him that are worthy. Damn. This is a this is a bad look right now for LeBron. But does anyone actually think this is something we're going to like remember twenty years from now like this isn't like hurting his legacy? I agree. His legacy cemented his his legacy. Whatever happens from here doesn't even matter. He's won three championships in brought one to Cleveland. He's one of the greatest ever. He's the only one we've deigned worthy of a conversation with Michael Jordan, right and his career's been long enough. I it's hard to hold against him. Even though this is still the back end of his prime or supposed prime. He's had such a long career that it's longer already than some of the greats in the game that he's comp-. Paired to. But when you watch what was happening last night. I mean, it is laughably a lack of effort on defense laughably after he's questioning the effort of his teammates, by the way as leader guy. Well, I don't think the scene of this season on him is indelible by any means if anything I think if he turns this around if the Lakers get a new coach, and they get a superstar. No of all of a sudden, it's not indelible. That's silly. Of course, you're right. Of course, it doesn't last beyond this year. But we can laugh at the shame right now. You can't shame his here right now. We don't have to wait, and we don't have to figure out. We'll the shame be here. Three years from now. The name is here. Now, it is covered. More than any athlete in America. ESPN has covered him in a way that we never covered Michael Jordan. It's ridiculous. The way he's taken over the entire stratosphere getting more publicity than Mohammed Ali did when he was the biggest thing in America. And he's not making the playoffs. And he's doing it in his. First season in Los Angeles. When sitting here trying to replace Kobe Bryant with a fan base that doesn't really accept him as replacing Kobe Bryant he's being questioned this year about the idea of how much he cares. You saw that lack of carrying on defense. He's making movies. He's making media content. He's not gonna make the playoffs. The shame is here. Now, I don't care whether it's your four years now that the shame is not all on him. It largely is Greg. It's his team if he gets all the credit whenever he drags a sorry team to the finals, then then you not going to blame him at all. I understand his body broke down in eighteen games matters. But he was not good enough this season in any way to carry teammates. Who away he has to the finals for the last decade doesn't matter who the damn teammates are and he was apparently saving himself, especially on the defensive end for this final push the playoff mode activation, and since he's activated said playoff mode that gone tune in five two and five and lost the Phoenix Suns. But this is like the worst group that he's had as far as talent lane. Cleveland? Kyri Kevin love, obviously. And he got MO Williams to the finals as a second best player. Larry Hughes was in the finals as second best player. Get outta here. He wants to games from great warriors team with a team that I would argue was worse considering the injuries when Matthew Delvin dove 'as second best player in the NBA finals. You look at this roster, and they're at the very least comparable. This is always interesting to me, right A. Rod did not go to two hundred and fifty two million dollars in the Texas Rangers. Because simply he thought he was cashing in to finish in last place while being great he thought he was going to get there and make it matter. I would love an honest answer from LeBron James on whether he regrets leaving the east because good God this got hard fast. It got hard fast. He chose the media market. He chose the pedigree of the Lakers. He chose Magic Johnson. He chose media empire. But man, he went from top of the food chain to out of the playoffs. Kobe didn't miss the playoffs a whole lot. He did miss one year. When is. When he lost shock and lost everybody else. But I think he missed it like on the final game of the season. They're done Lakers are done. They're not going to recover from this their schedules. Too hard the rest of the way, and they're not playing. Well, my only point though in in saying that the shame is not all on him. He's averaging twenty seven points. It's not like what he's doing numerically is that much below what you would expect of LeBron numerically. But there are things that don't come across on a box score that are certainly different. And to be expected with somebody with a tread on the tires such that he has. But you used to be able to say you put LeBron James on any team at least in the other conference out east, and they are instantly the favorite in that. I what I have found interesting, and I've I've mentioned to you before like the margin for error is so thin sometimes Lamar Jackson when he can get around the corner. It's because he's got a step on the outside corner responsibility. He's just a step faster. So even if a guy is handling his responsibilities. What? He's trying to tackle is too difficult. Lebron James has been just a little bit better than everybody in the sport. For a long time. He's got injured this year and his play is diluted some for him and a whole lot of people have gotten better because those Cleveland teams don't win this east. Right. Those Cleveland teams that he has that he that he dragged to the finals there is no way that it gets out of this east where the Boston Celtics had Kyrie Irving and L it does break them. They had to go seven games against the Indiana Pacers last year, and that was the Pacers team that didn't take this next step. Granted had a depot back then. But even this Pacers team that I think presently sits third in the conference would beat that Cavs team and went to seven with a Celtics team that didn't have Kyrie Irving or Gordon Hayward, which actually might have been a better version of the Celtics who are we kidding anymore. But the fact remains it's much better east. I certainly wouldn't have come out of this east. I love that that we have here. This is juxtaposed here. Tony Collins has. Retweeted whatever Bentley was on in Bristol. Which is I take you have a problem with this is the graphic, and it's Irving saying something and then right under it. It's Greg cody's of belly with googly eyes like the juxtaposition of I take and and and as a proud media member who represents this company. Well, I understand why Tony Collins's question would be. Crikey. Okay. I'm fine. I pressed the cough button. What do you want from me? Time to justify our reasonable salaries high. She would write on our winter. What is this? That's what she wrote on Twitter. What is this? Thank you. For allowing me to get to the end point on that joke in the most uncomfortable, least funding least healthy way pox. Not a problem anytime. Tell the people about casper mattresses, Cody, you are the worst. You don't even have your casper copy. No, of course, not he's looking long piece of paper the wrong. Right to me and get out of here. Just give it to me. Gaining the lawyer to get out of here. Get out of here. Good god. Other Mike, it's exasperatingly. I don't even understand. He's actually been pretty good today. Yeah. Yeah. Get out of here took -nology truth. Brought to you by cold. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose that? With a weed whacker? Oh, isn't wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. Eat so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something go fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more donlevatar. What do you prefer flat wings or drumsticks because I liked drumstick? I like drumsticks to. Yeah. Rules. Stugatz. If people do just drum though, you'd think there's a bunch of extra flout wings, just laying around right? Thank you. I think more people do all flats though, I think more people do dru- drumet-. I'm telling you more drumet- so much. I'd prefer to do all drums Latin it VC's live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. I don't know if Mike Ryan is willing to go on air with his straight talk. About our feud with King Kong Bundy who passed away today in a way that the wrestling community. We love the wrestlers around here. It's one of the first things that we did that stuck with people when we tapped into their childhood, and you know, how this happens. Luke Perry dies, many of you probably have never even heard of Luke Perry. But the reason it has that reaction among people who have heard of Luke Perry's because a piece of their childhood is dying or a piece of their adolescence is dying something that you knew to be popular when you were younger to different time King Kong Bundy this show had a very bad relationship with him yet longtime fans might be familiar with our shows relationship with King Kong Bundy, I was a wet behind the ears. Guest Booker, and it wasn't very good at my job. And one of the I guess I tried to book on this show over a decade ago was King Kong Bundy, and this is one of the few people that was actually meaner in real life than the wrestling character. He was not very nice to you. Now, do we ever actually speak to him? He was insulted by a variety of different things that you did which were basically just asking him to come on the air. Now, it's just a kind kid asking him to come on the air. And it was not just a nose of bleep. No. And then he would call me hours later, just reaffirmed that it was a bleep now. He was terrifying. Do we have any King Kong Bundy file here because the wrestling community is we could put this on the pole Guillermo at lebatardshow is King Kong Bundy a legend. Yes, or no. Because I would argue that that name is legendary in wrestling gain, clean out something that doesn't exist. He never joined us on the show. Therefore, there is no King Kong. Bundy file we were feuding with him in the Memphis grizzlies at the same time, we've had two rivalries with the Memphis grizzlies. I think they have a brand new group in there right now. So maybe we can go for the hat trick. But this is gone through several ownership groups. Does anyone else in the room have any sort of fun memories of King Kong Bundy, I where those funds I mean the guy died yesterday, and you're pooping on his legacy? Sing is jerk. Not pooping on his like like a senior. Always there for me. And I appreciate it. No. I'm fact, I'm honoring the monster by saying real life. He was far more terrifying in this day and age of K fehb few people really held onto their gimmick. Quite the way that can come Bundy did scaring the crap out of a twenty one year old kid. Coming up at eleven thirty eastern. We have Garrick Murphy that doesn't mean anything to you. But what if I tell you that he is marathon investigator, Derek Murphy, and that we have finally going to get to the bottom after thirty six. What was it thirty six hours of wanting to get to the bottom of this? Putting our I team on it. This is lightning quick for us. Yes, we are going to get on a marathon investigator who could explain to us how it is that the wife of Johnny Manziel one a half marathon by running the last six or seven miles at a historic pace breaking all world records after running fourteen minute miles earlier in the marathon, how she came to run four minute miles for the last seven with an amazing stamina, the the last seven miles. So we are going to get Derek Murphy on here in about ten minutes. And I want to get to a back in my day here in a second as well. But first, Greg Cody is ready and eager to read the sponsorship. And he's not going to say anything else until he reads it. Straight talk wireless, nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G L T E networks, and I'll take you being to ready. That's fine. We'll take to ready many of you, by the way are writing in. And I understand okay, you're writing and and you're saying Dan quit being so mean to co host that you always deem incompetent. And while everyone here on the show hates it. When I explained the show that's the formula, man. Like the formula is I don't know why need to explain this to you. But me being mean to the co host is what allows gots to take a very wealthy vacation right now. It's weird rationalization I understand being rotten and all but people pay to watch you take hells, and you just displaying your true personality, which is rotten at the core is in fact, the audience winning because he endeared himself to the audience he being Greg Cody, but just being the every man it's a. A winning position for everyone. But me having you guys not figured this out yet. Like, that's the whole thing is me being rotten straight man as everyone else gets to be incompetent, I yell at them for being incompetent. And here's the miracle of evidence in the magic elixir bad. Which is the only thing Greg Cody can be becomes good and lovable. He's never been this. Good lovable. Never. And it's because standing next to obnoxious strident me makes everyone look that way and the brush with death helped. Yeah. That was planned by me. The whole thing was contrived timed out for Greg Cote. He's back in my day. Now in these to take them memory lane. Here's your guy could he with back in my day. Golf, driving ranges. You know, what I hate? I hate redesign and modernisation when something is brightened up with a fresh coat of paint in a pandering aim at a younger demographic, and they falsely call it an improvement. They call it progress. There is in fact, a nostalgic ebbing charm in a dilapidated, squalor. It's like what you feel when gazing it an aging set of new standard encyclopedias crack open the HI j volume two page likely not seen in forty years. Breathe deep the Muscovite paper. And remember it was Bombay before it was ever Mumbai. Likewise, friends when I walk into my old corner bar. I wanted just the way it's always been smelling of stale beer and old regrets. Don't erect giant screen TV's or introduce an appetizer menu or cave into trendy craft beers. Just give me dim lights a Miller lite. And then another one the bowling alley was my own friend wants until it. Guilted me I'd go there just for the echo clatter of pins a sweeter sound and angels. Singing, give me the smell of a thousand cigarettes, pockmarked bowling ball's chipped pins and a pair of red and white clown shoes and let me fill my own scores. So I can cheat. Now, they've turned my die of a bowling alley into a place with pounding music Strobe lights and ball tracking technology one company behind this says as if bragging that they've turned the static time frozen. Bowling alley into a media, rich entertainment soon unquote why and now because nothing is sacred. We see what they've done to the once iconic old driving range. It's barely about golf anymore. It's a bachelor party. It's date night. There's a bar music different games to play scorekeeping bring back. My driving range. Give me the world's widest fairway. No water a dented bucket of yellow balls with black stripes, and the only rubber tea that still works. Then stand back because I play the only game that matters trying to continuously. Bang three iron shots onto the side of that cage bowl. Scooping vehicle being driven by the only man there Saturday me quit trying to improve. What was better left awful? I'm Greg Cody, and that's back in my day. Hey, good donlevatar. I tell you I have a knife Swiss army knife. And you know, I'm ready to go. All right. Whatever you need. I can I can I I can start a fire with two sticks. Just like year about of done it. Stugatz. You've never done it. I have done it. Now you live in it. VC's live at our show with his two guys on ESPN radio. So Derek Murphy runs marathon investigation dot com and we've been trying to reach him for a couple of days with urgency because we got to cover this story for ESPN. It's a big story from the weekend. It is Johnny Manziel's wife Bray TAC Menzel. She got some unwanted publicity last week because people are questioning her marathon time she would have had to run the final seven miles in a world record four minute per mile pace. So I I wanna find out. I thank you for joining us. Derek Murphy marathon investigator. I wanna find out. I how this arrived on your lap. And how happy you were to have it arrive on your lap as someone who sniffs out marathon fraud. Yeah. It came to my attention someone posted something a message board. So I kind of grabbed it and started doing my analysis on that. And I was very happy. It came on my radar because I am I'm from Cleveland. So you know, any any chance to you know, they mentioned Johnny Mandel is a plus in my book. Okay. So explain to me the whole marathon investigator business before we get into specifically this fraud. Explain to me what it is. You do how it is. You do it. How often you find cheaters? Sure. Basically, it started out as a blog is kind of a curiosity. I'd meet some of these stories similar to this one just not involved in Johnny Manziel's wife. And so I was curious how often there's cheating happened. So I kinda threw up his personal blog, and it kind of blew up from there. And it happens all the time this story here. I hear I get reports. And I find stories just like this every week. It just doesn't again doesn't involve Johnny Manziel is life. So, you know, people are cutting courses in pretty much every race and other cheating is what else people use big meals in order to qualify for the Boston marathon. That's having somebody else, you know, qualify for them by by wearing their bibs. So yeah, it's amazing. What goes on Bebe Buell, tell us other forms of marathon cheating, please I did not realize that marathoning had drug meals the same way that that go Cain. Does. Yeah. Yeah. That's and you also have you know, cases, when I just read about there is a six year old man who was trying to sell his bed until the two twenty three year old female much faster than him. She ran a fast time, and he committed that time in order to enter the Boston marathon, and we caught on it's not going to be running. But that kind of thing. So that happens all the time or people carrying multiple bids across I had a travel agent who out of France who was telling packages for the Boston marathon in town have him on video carrying across five different bits. So you have five hundred CM exact times, and you see this guy with a clipboard walking across the finish line. So yeah, it's a meeting. Good interesting in again, I come come across his kind of thing unless worse every week every day. Have you ever come across a serial bib? Forger that's just the bane of your existence. I have actually, yeah, I've been porters, and you know, people who've actually steal somehow steal the bits from the. Expo and we actually there was like case is busy one half marathon runner. Got we found out runner stole a bit. And she actually got, you know, got detained in cuffed by police news video on my on my side of her VN, you know, cuffed him they took her medal away the websites slick, Ben like you'd think that marathon investigator dot com might have a problem. But that's a that's lik website or thought investigation dot com, Dan, and I can tell you this is the best website that I've ever seen that has to deal with marathon investigational me to Derek. I'm definitely I'm a leader in the industry. Definitely. Most of us. Remember, the infamous Rosie Ruis who had was she the first one to to become notorious for this kind of cheating. Yeah. Definitely. And it was getting taking the taking the subway in Boston marathon, and you know, to win it now with all the technology and the timing mats. You're not gonna get away with that very long. They'll figure out before you cross finish line. You know that you didn't win. But I have that same thing happened couple of years ago. There was a guy hit website that he wanted to do three sub three hour marathons and all the marathon Niger's, which is, you know, world's biggest marathons and someone message me that they saw this guy on taking a subway. And sure enough I checked it and missing timing splits and people still cheap that same way. But it's it's much harder to get away with it. No is is hills wife now officially the second. Most infamous cheater after Rosie Ruiz or have there been other celebrity type of cheaters where we would know the name. Probably not that you would know the name other than their teething. I've written some that have gone pretty viral. There is a runner that had done base in Fort Lauderdale and keeping the sect took a picture of her finish line photo. She did a half marathon where she would have placed in the top three, and you can see her her what GPS lot in the photo that shows you did eleven point six five miles thirteen point one. And then beyond that, she tried to ride her bike on the course afterwards could GPS track. So there was a whole bunch there. So that that one became. But yeah, but as far as like celebrities cheating. Yeah. That's that's you know, probably probably the the one. Actually, he wasn't have been pretty didn't run this by herself. She then it with her friend Chloe who's actually more Instagram's Buenos than greed, but she clean clothes. You know coming onto, you know, going onto the radar there since please Johnny Manziel. Why are normal people cheating in marathons where they're not really getting anything out of it other than a medal, and why have you dedicated your life to snuffing them out? That normal people cheating. It's really the kind of the same reason. I see with Greek where it's, you know, for the likes, and I get all the time, you know, people just posting and they'll post on Instagram and Facebook, okay, I did complete this marathon or I qualified for Boston. And then, you know, people who aren't runners may say, hey, that's great. They don't realize, but then you'll have somebody, you know, the runner friends are the ones that turn them into me half the times, you know, lying. It's the reason I went to white dedicated my life to it. But I think it's fascinating. I'm you know, I'm an analyst, you know, sign HR. So I kind of look at the splits spreadsheets, and I can find pretty quickly. But the main thing that drove me to this one in the Boston maritime with Boston. You can get a qualifying time. But not gain entry in Boston because they're oversold. And so whenever somebody cheats and use that time to enter Boston. It's keeping somebody out who deserves to be there. So it's it's not just someone cheating to brag about it. They're actually taking away from the people who actually work hard for it. So. Yeah. Just kind of this has become publicizing the running world that kinda hit now kind of an obligation. I mean, I get emails after every race, you know, and people get cheated. And sometimes it's, you know, getting for you know, for aid group placements there was a runner. I think he had twelve victories his ultra runner need run. It'd be looped course. And what he would do. He would run a loop. He'd like hide out like in his car or in a porta potty. And then come out ten minutes later and cross the line again without ever running. Again. He had multiple victories like doing that. So yes, his fascinating stuff. So. Yeah. So it kind of going down his rabbit hole. That have never come out of. Would you consider yourself a hero? No, no, no. I would not should Derek Murphy because you're doing a public service is there is there a long standing record marathon record that you've tried to disprove in your waving your arms screaming at the rest of the industry. But you can't quite prove it enough for the record to be taken away. Just yet. I I do not necessarily I'm here on record. But there's doing two runners that have record for the most marathons run in with an apprentice expect period Guinness is recognize these veterans. And but the problem is that in focus cases, he's runners are in the results of multiple races that took place in different states. If it's the same exact time. So obviously unless they kind of time travel they couldn't have done that and the one women's racist. He actually the race director and she puts his races on herself. And just ask people find out find a bet she completed them when she kind of sits at the start finish line for the whole rations gets credit for it. So yeah. So that's one that that's that's the one. That's in my my unicorn out there that I want to get moved. What do you say to the people out there because there's people that say, you're just a hater. Don't you? Yeah. L? I definitely do get some of that. But usually that's the people who, you know, who who are the ones that are cheating, or, you know, people say, you know, why bother don't like doing it for themselves. But again, I'm you know, generally have two people who are actually taking, you know, taking, you know, podium spots, you know, without finishes her boss qualifying spots, you know, be at three, and, you know, didn't take any of those from people. But again, she taking from the people who were there who actually ran to our marathons, and then, you know, they have to look at the sitting on the photo pretty and her friends, you know, sipping their wine without a answer sweat on them. You know, claiming that they had finished it without training. You know, there's a second face it MP. So so that's all my I may be exposing people who do cheat. It's so the people who, you know, do it legitimately. You know, get the kind of deserve their we're running out of time. We're speaking with Eric Murphy marathon investigator, I couldn't help. But notice you didn't mention the unicorns by name is this because you're living concentrate of. You're being you know, shooting down by some of these top dogs in the industry shake, and I'll be happy to mentioned Parveena Moity hand. Larry mukhin. Those are those are the unicorns and I've written about a multiple times. And it's it's obvious. You know that they you. Didn't do what they what they can't give last question here. Is it possible that Menzel wife that this was an innocent mistake? It's I'll give him the benefit doubt. It's possible that she made the wrong turn as the faster runners. We're all kind of flowing that way. But she had to have known that she did not run a half marathon. And you know, from what I'm hearing, you know, she was pretty much walking running very slowly from the beginning. So she she was going to be our marathon half on pacing yourself, perhaps marathon investigation dot com. Derek Murphy has cracked this case open. We thank you for doing. God's work. Derek? Thank you, Dan. So good work by Derek. I've got an interview skeptical. Billy next donlevatar. I love me. Some doctors have a lot of respect for the medical profession. Stugatz. Except chiropractors these easy live at our show with Stu gods on ESPN radio. We are trying to create more and more content for you guys where keeping it free all of it free. The reason that we're doing that is so that you can get it easily. You have asked for more from us. We will continue to try to give you more without cheapening. What it is that we're trying to do every day. Those of you who are complaining about that cheapening. I would just ask you for patients and let you know that. No, one cares. More about not cheapening this nonsense than we do. So if we are cheapening in it, we will pull back, but for now, you will get action Bronson, and that was a fun interview. Mike, south beach sessions. Oh, Chris giving it the nod of approval he enjoy. Hearing from notorious chef and rapper and marijuana kingpin action Brunton, it's about giving you variety because there's certain time constraints and content. Restraints that this show this national radio show allows us so to be able to go into a long form interview. With an interesting subjects such as action Bronson had fascinating career. And actually most people have a fascinating career previous to their fame. The struggle fame actually came prayed equipped for him considering when the time that he started rapping to the time that he became famous. What's most interesting about him is all the projects that he's taken on since at fame and wrapping this guy. I mean, he's renaissance man an unlikely one it is weird. The whole story is weird. And he's a big sports fan. He shares our love for just random names. That's the thing. That's always fun. Can come bundy's. One of a man King Kong Bundy is one of them. I will not repeat shy repeat what Greg Cody said off of the air about King Kong Bundy, what do you think? Do you think that's something? I should repeat. Mike Ryan is already shaking his head. No, please. Don't I'm glad that you're thinking now instead of just I said it so obviously it didn't bother me. Well, we had. All right. Look if this gets anyone in trouble. It will be mean for revealing what was an off air conversation that was a bit of a drive by. And this is exactly how it happened less. You think that Greg Cody is just a character? Greg Cody leaves the room and he's muttering under his breath shocking that a four hundred and eighty five pound men would die early. And so I just looked at him with a withering stare and his response was too soon. And then he keeps walking to go get to the food God rest his soul. So one of the things I'll attributed painting for this guy today. Well, hold on a second you because life is something that is lived around here waiting for the appearance of skeptical. Billy like, we're all just doing all of us are just running on a treadmill waiting for. Skeptical Billy to make an appearance during the interview when he says the thing that everyone is thinking, but no one wants to say, and so I want to salute you for being an advocate that just buried the marathon investigator for being worse than a Gulf snitch for being someone who is a marathon snitch and he had good arguments. All of the things that he said people who care about marathon running do not want to be duped by cheaters. Yeah. But it's a strange passion. Right. Like he wants to go out, and he wants to call it all and look he's a skeptic. Apparently as I I don't think I'm skeptic. I'm just curious. Why is it that this is what you're doing with your life or ask you to do this? Your disdain was very poorly disguised. And that's I am always here. It's one of my favorite characters on the show billing disabling poorly covering up poorly. Disguising his disdain I feel like maybe you misinterpreted my respect for his passion in what he's doing. The man's clearly passionate about what he's doing. Why he's doing it? God only knows he answered it. And you're who made the who made the police of the marathon he's gotten great. He's in charge of finding out who should be the in. And who should be out probably has a badge. I guess some badge. We'll sneaker on it. Yeah. Run a marathon. I feel like that's what's at play. Here. We should have really asked him those questions, you're being far more vigorous in your follow up is now you got me thinking I was in. I wasn't being skeptical at the time. But now, you know, the gears are grinding in my head Elia working wheels are spilling. You dedicate your life to snuffing out. You can't tell me that. That's not a question soaked in disdain that was a hater. That was not a respect about. Behavior. I said some people out there calling you. Oh, well, that's that's a trick that I learned journalism one. Oh, one when you're afraid to say, something this someone you just put it off on someone else side. Do you guys take who's right here? The marathon investigator or gear MO because gamma was lonely voice advocating on behalf of what a lot of listeners thing which side. Do you guys take what side does Greg Cody taken this dispute for the marathon cop Dan school, not Greg Cody on the ESPN radio?

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To Open or Not to Open?

The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

35:54 min | 5 months ago

To Open or Not to Open?

"They are sports illustrate made incredible body of war. I really appreciate the integrity is well on great job. We love it. Luckily Bank Keys Kris Menace. These employed by sports illustrated. The announcers got it informed. This is the crossover NBA. Podcast you have a problem with it. Build a team that can be tough hosted by the one and thank God mannix. Hi Welcome back to another episode of the Crossover. Podcast glad you could join me this week because it's one of those weeks where there is actual basketball news talk about the NBA reopening training facilities some changes in Chicago. Nobody seems to care about Vince. Carter which I want to get into a little bit on this podcast joining me. Talk about that taking a break from his time as one of the beach pros down Huntington Beach. Run THAT CARNEY. Assize staff writer. What's up real odd? Welcome back thank you so much I you know. I think I earned it. Frankly I have been working on my beach body for a couple years now This was a good chance to dry. Dry runs out no. Obviously I haven't been going to the beach but You know I'm glad you're staying up on current events if you're in California. You're listening to this. Don't go to the beach. Let's start there. Would you tell your friends out there to stop? You know. We're we're trying to get through this year? None of us like staying at home. None of us like the current circumstances. It doesn't help when one of the worst states with the corona virus in the country. You've got these googlers going to the beach on a regular basis. It terrifies me. Listen you're you're speaking to the choir here preaching the required should say you know my parents live in Florida. There's people going to the beach there too. I'm terrified of this. I'm with you. Everyone stayed home. I don't think I have any friends going to the beach Thankfully enough even though I know your trip love to call me out on that yes I agree cleese. Do not go to the beach. All you have to do is stay inside. I understand it's a lot harder for some people are than it might be for people like me and you but just just stay inside please. Yeah I feel like we've done we've gone completely full circle here where we started this whole pandemic out mocking the coronal. Bro. Down in Florida. Who said if I get road I get Ronan and now here? We are months later after. We got through the lion's share of it still doing dumb shit but that's a conversation for another day as always subscribe to the podcast. Itunes anywhere you can download podcasts. Much-appreciated post a comment leave a rating. Simple easy free. Best Way to make sure that we keep doing this podcast week after week Rohan. Let's talk a little bit about some of the news that we've had come across our way this week and that's the idea of the NBA reopening their training facilities to players in some of the states. That have relaxed their stay at home. Stay at home rules that being places like Georgia and Oklahoma and soon to be several others there's cases to be made on both sides about the good and bad about NBA opening. Its facilities. Get Yours I what will you make of this news that the NBA in the next week? Or so is going to open up. Its practice facilities to certain players. It's pretty weird. I've got to be honest. I didn't fully understand the reasoning behind it. A why do this now? If you're still not sure when the season is going to start and he told me that guy but there's like there's a common thread between the states that are opening I if you're paying attention to the news at all you can kind of figure out why the states that are opening up are opening up and it doesn't necessarily have for do with you know their numbers with the virus or the virus are not being as president in those states and to me the NBA. Which is kind of fashioned itself as Sports League. That's you know we're on the floor front of everything that's going on at the corona virus. Adam silver saying hey we're GONNA listen to the scientists on this Do you really think they're listening to the science and the doctors By letting Clair's workout in these states that are open up. I don't think it really. You know via absolute the NBA has has done so far regarding the corona virus. That was kind of my initial thought which is is it worth Cutting anyone at an extra risk for a season that we're not even sure is going to take place. I I think that was my first reaction. Yeah I mean that was kind of my first reaction but the more people I talked to the more. It definitely changed my opinion on all this. I mean look the it'd be nice if the NBA could control the country and how it operated would be how the country operates but a states are independent. They're GONNA do what they're gonNA do. And the argument that was made to me by people at the highest level and the NB office was look. If if you're in Georgia or Oklahoma and your states are open and gyms are open. Players are going to find their way. They're like these guys have been cooped up like the rest of us the better part of the last two months. They're anxious to get out and start working out some way somehow and even when they go down to two outdoor courts. They're seeing rims being taken down so people don't work out if there are gyms like an equinox or twenty four fitness. That are open. You'RE GONNA see players trend towards their go there. So the argument for opening up these facilities is a player safety argument to a degree. It's you you open these facilities up and you have guys working out in a sanitized controlled environment and not in some kind of free for all in in some sort of public gym. So I understand that my issue with all this is how does it affect the postseason and I continue to harp on this? The idea that you know if you open a gym and Oklahoma and you've got members of the Oklahoma City Thunder at their training facility working out even if it's just individually for three weeks four weeks before say the clippers or the Lakers are able to work out that's an unfair competitive advantage and that's not something the NBA has ever really had even off seasons look off seasons guys weren't required to go to a facility but they did go there when they wanted to. So you had the option always of doing whatever you want to work out. This doesn't give these players that option there are players in La in other states. That simply can't work out because they're not allowed to buy their state government. So if you've got one subset of players that are working out and training facility. That isn't doesn't that just create this environment? That is unfair competitive advantage. And doesn't that by extension make the championship not credible? I mean that's my biggest issue. Like if you do this I think it ruins the credibility on the legitimacy of a championship which was already going to be viewed with something of an astros anyway given that. We're projecting it to be a lot more abbreviated than a regular championship. What do you think it's interesting? I think it depends. You know the way. I've always approached this. They need to find a new trophy to give out this year. Anyway because it's not going to be normal no matter what you do and I guess I've kind of just accepted that there's nothing that the NBA can create any kind of normal championship or normal circumstances to finish the season. Just considering everything that's going on I don't know if I would go so far to say it. Wouldn't it be a credible champion? A A as much as I would say you know it might create an unfair advantage. But how do you like you said how do you stop those guys anyways? Because if those states are opening those players are going to be working out one way or another they're going to gain some level of advantage right and wouldn't you rather have those players at the facility like you said. I just from a health standpoint as opposed to you know you know mingling with the larger percent of the population. So I don't know if I would go so far to say create a credible champion. I think in that sense. Get to open up this conversation to maybe a bigger one anyway and say. Can we even have anything approaching normal champion? This year doesn't make sense to give out the Larry O'Brien trophy to team that wins or whatever the NBA is going to call the playoffs Is there a way? Just look at this through a whole new lens because the logistics of it to me are frankly. I don't know how anyone figures it out. I think the NBA is obviously trying very hard. But if we just use the argument that you talked about about player safety player health making sure that if they are going to be working out anyway. They're working out in a safe environment. How do you? How do you stop them from doing that? Do you think the solution is closed? All gyms because what then incentivize players to go work out at the equinoxes at the Elliott fitness mench. Yeah look I'm with you on on the idea that there should be some sort of separate trophy for this year. I mean comeback. If you WANNA come back there are plenty of financial reasons to come back. I mean you want to get you know games on a broadcast you want to satisfy your obligations to ESPN TNT and certainly your regional affiliates. Which are gonNA become problematic as well. But don't call it. The Larry O'Brien championship me. Now I've been watching this doctor. The Bulls documentary the last dance and the playoffs and championships are won through fire. Like you go through. Just wars to win championships. Even if even without this current set of events like you're going to have like best of threes and like best best of five if it's just going to be such a weird post-season that it's not going to require the same type of of energy to win a championship that it would otherwise imagine this. Imagine if Lebron Lakers win a championship like we'll become like it will be scrutinized for all eternity like. Lebron wins a fourth championship. Here and people say well Lebron won four championships in Jordan one. Six the immediate counterargument really WanNa Championship in that year. That didn't really count. He want any abbreviated year. It's just it's tough because it potentially could be Lebron's last best chance to win a championship. Given what the landscape might look like next year but this is a unique circumstance. I say just just screw it and you know call it. The David Stern trophy like just make a new trophy for this year and go through the motions to have televised event but not one that ends with a recognize champion. Yeah I agree with you completely there and just maybe kind of put a bow on it. I I agree that those those players were going to work out are going to get a competitive advantage. I just don't think that there is another solution. That's better than if states are open and guys are GonNa work out no matter what. Make sure they're doing it in the safest environment possible and you kind of have to live with that competitive advantage. Because I think we both agree. The best solution is not you know worrying about competitive advantages and who gets to work out. Who doesn't get to work out? It's accepted these aren't normal circumstances and and create a whole new framework for whatever postseason event the NBA wants to put on the other side of it roll on is that you know there are teams out there that are wondering are they coming back at all. And if they are why are they? Steve Kerr. The coach of the warriors was on a conference call with reporters this week and he said that. Golden State was in off season moat and that they were effectively operating like their season was over. And I agree with Steve. Kerr like the warriors seasons should be over the Cavaliers. Season should be over. These sub five hundred playoff teams are non playoff teams. They shouldn't be thinking about coming back. I mean there's really no sense to me in having like a three week training camp in Cleveland Dab the cavaliers come back for five meaningless regular season games. I understand there's a. There's a consequence to that you're not really giving the Portland's and the New Orleans and the Sacramento's you know a chance to compete for That last playoff spot in the west. I get that you'll have some other teams. That would be jockeying for seating. That could be problematic as well but I just don't see the point in having almost half the league come back for games that don't matter it. Just I think if you're going to move forward you start by telling these non playoff teams. You're done the only team that should be even thinking about getting back into the flow are the teams that are in the playoffs and and even that might be a stretch. But I'm all for for Steve Curse philosophy on this like it should be endgame for these non playoff teams. I agree I agree completely. There's no point you're just putting more people at risk. I think really where it's GONNA COME DOWN TO IS MONEY IF YOU'RE CLEVELAND. I mean you're only incentive come back is can we somehow get two more home games out of this? I don't know I don't think fans are going to be there so I don't even know what that would mean for Cleveland I. It's down to revenue sharing as a team like the Lakers going to be okay with sharing whatever monies come in from whatever new format was. It seems that weren't in the playoffs. that's really what it comes down to. I think as long as the the financial aspect of it is workout in a way that these you know small market teams aren't quote unquote offended by being left out. It makes complete sense. I JUST WANNA safety standpoint and a logistical standpoint. I'm with you you know. Some people are saying we're going to do a month to get players ready than the Hornets come back and play four games. That doesn't make any sense. I think those teams are going to have satisfied financially To just be told they're giving up on the season completely golden vision with you know the new arena. They probably still made a good amount of money this year. A A team like Cleveland OR CHARLOTTE. Are they missile little differently about that? The only reason for these teams to come back is to satisfy those regional outlet obligations which are not inconsiderable. I mean you have to deal with that at some point the money you're bringing in from these local networks but you know if it was. I think it was like fifteen games. I get it but it's really not going to be. It's going to be five. Maybe six games at best. And that's only if this thing turns a corner very quickly in the next three or four weeks so I say just go and and completely shut down by the way the Lakers might. Lakers are short on cash. Is You know right? Ppo loans. I would just love. Obviously this rolling. I know that the Lakers were not the only team in the League to consider this. This was some that went around and be front offices and was discussed amongst different teams. I would love to know how they came to a consensus that applying for this was a good thing that the story by the way is the Lakers applied for a loan and received alone under that paycheck protection program that the government put out primarily to satisfy and help small businesses. The Lakers by the way are not small business. Four point four billion dollar enterprise is valued by Forbes and they asked for and received a a loan in the amount of four point. Six million dollars. I mean I just WANNA know row on who thought that was a good idea. I would love to meet that person who thought that was a good idea. I could not believe it and I'm glad that they were like rightfully shaved for it. Also who like how? Many people on the Lakers right now could come up with four point six million dollars. The Lakers really needed it. Like how many people were associated with the Lakers organization a humming hugh who sits sit courtside? Would just give the Lakers. Four point six million dollars right now password. Ice Cube would consider it. He's such a huge Laker Fan. I bet you the Lakers like hey cue. We need four point six million dollars. He'd be like sure here. You go the fact that they applied for those. The some they received. Sony just absurd things about that story. I'm glad that the Lakers were publicly. Shamed into giving that money back. It's like Lebron receiving stimulus. Check by. It's right it it just is is completely insane to me and they did deserve to get whacked for that both publicly. And by people like Steve Mnuchin. Who took him to task publicly as well sports and scandals. What more could you ask for every week on? Hall of Shame. A new podcast from Crooked Media Fox sports hosting comic Rachel Banana and comedy writer Retina. Fuck bomb take you. Through some of the biggest scandals in sports history to discover the humanity behind the headlines from the thrill of Dhaka's No hitter to the agony of Rosie Ruiz. 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Artists are tourists SILVIS LONGTIME NBA executive. He gets an opportunity to run his own. Nba team moving on from Denver to Chicago. He makes a GM hired this week. Mark adversely. Xlii was the former assistant. Gm IN PHILADELPHIA. That's an interesting team to take over on. Because I think that if you are tourists and you're ever XLII and your that new front office you gotTa look at that as a short-term turnaround I mean. There is good young talent in Chicago right now there. Is You know whether you think sack. Levin is a franchise player or not. He's a good young player. You get lowery marketing there. Who is a good young player? Wendell Carter is there who good young player. One of the things that Paxson and Gar Forman did well was that they tended to have good drafts and look. They screwed up everything else when it came to trades and other things but they drafted pretty well over the years so that nucleus is good in like two years. I think it's actually next summer. Some of those bad contracts. You'RE GONNA come off the books. So there'll be some flexibility there. If you're the bulls. I mean you've got to figure out your coaching situation for sure. But if you are tourists and your Mark Ashley with a couple of tweaks there you should be in the playoffs. Maybe as early as next year. And then if you can get a top free agent 2021 with their figures to be some guys You might have a chance to elevate yourself really quickly. What do you think of the Situation Chicago? I mean some people were talking about the Bulls as maybe a surprise playoff team or fringe playoff team as early as this season. I really like our turns. Karnisovas I mean I. I just sort of on the nuggets I. It's been a couple of years now but just chatting with him. He's a really smart guy. I mean obviously Tim. Connolly gets a lot of the credit for what's happening in Denver and rightfully so I mean the nuggets of have built kind of the ideal market team. I mean top two top three team in the West Did it my drafting a bunch of great guys like Yokich? Gary Harris Jamal. Murray than they eventually signed. Someone like Paul Millsap. I think that's all you know replicable in Chicago. Perhaps on a bigger scale it's not long ago that Chicago while they might have a history of getting big free agents guys are interested in playing there. I mean Carmelo. Anthony was interested in going there. Lebron Dwayne Wade. We're taking meetings. He will wipe the idea of Lang for the Bulls. Like you said I mean I think marketing is probably still there. Best Prospect. Do Carter a lot. But it's not inconceivable. They could really good really soon. I really like evidently higher to the idea that they're getting these guys who worked in front offices that know what it takes to mind. The fringes for talent is really important especially in the eastern conference. I think the Bulls have a lot of potential to kind of you know exponentially grow over the next few years with Karnisovas Gi. Yeah and I think the big question is going to be what they do with the head coach and look. I think there's an opportunity there and I've mentioned this. I've written it talked about it but Kenny. Atkinson me makes the sense. I mean look I I understand Jim. Boylan is the incumbent and has been fired but if you're a tourist your new GM you're going to bring your own guy. It just happens all the time in professional basketball and the obvious choice to replace him. Kenny Atkinson I mean Kenny. Atkinson took over nets team. That looks remarkably like this Chicago Bulls team good young talents. Maybe Not Alpha in the mix but Atkinson took those is like the Ngelo Russell who was damaged goods at the time Spencer Dinwiddie. Joe Harris is a whole bunch of guys like that on Chicago. Levin is the top guy of them all but marketing Carter. I mean even Chris done comes back. I mean you've got some guys that can be molded. Atkinson is the best developmental coach. Maybe all of basketball definitely the best available developmental coach on the market. You want to turn the team around right away and get in the playoffs next year. You hire any concern you go out there and you swoop in you take him away from maybe the Knicks or some other team. That might be interested. And you make him your franchise coach because Atkinson stock. It's still very high. I mean Atkinson. Look I thought he got royally screwed in Brooklyn but most of the League still views. Atkinson is a very good coach. So he's going to get a job sooner rather than later. I looked Kenny. Atkinson as being a no brainer choice in Chicago. I would love that higher for them. It makes a lot of sense. Ironically or whatever where do you WANNA use? I do think you have to wonder if the plan is to bring in a star in twenty twenty one or in the future. How would that work with Atkinson when he become with that with the quote Unquote Star Player? Be Comfortable with that Granted I think you should want to find the star player. Who likes the idea of playing for Kenny Atkinson? Because agree with all the things he said about it. He's a great coach The Nets no one expected him to be in the position. They are and what the Front Office and coaching Septa. Turn that whole situation around as quickly as they did. Is really remarkable. So I'm all in Kenny Atkinson. I think I think that's a great hire. I hope you're able to sneak it into existence. Do you mind if I tell Jim. Boylan story real quick place so I was in Oklahoma City working on a feature on Chris. Paul and there are playing the Bulls when I had never seen an interaction like this between a coach and referee before But I'm sitting by the Court and Jim. Boylan is upset about a foul call. And he's complaining about it to the wrath and the rest of their was you know there's nothing there and Jimbo Jones had. Maybe if you'd ran back down the court fast enough you would have seen it and the refs gave Jim Boylan a look that. I'm not sure I've seen a referee. Give a coach before in my entire life. That felt a little too personal to me. Chris basically con the referee out of shape. You think yeah come on. That's a that's a that's a little. That's a little over the top. Wouldn't you agree? I mean Jim. Boylan likes his players the hustle. He's a hard nose coach. Maybe it was the same out of his referees. I don't know maybe that's that's going to be the case. Yeah I just. I don't like to advocate for the firing of anybody. But like if you're the Bulls you've got a year and a half of Jim. Boylan to see on tape like you've got evidence here and I just haven't seen enough good. He's been like open conflict. With Zach Levine points during the season. It's almost like they. They want them not to like each other. I don't get it. It's like what is he bringing to? The team and seems like none of the players really seem to get along with them. It just doesn't make a lot of sense now it doesn't you've you've got a higher and look. I I don't. I don't think Kenny Atkinson like I still. There's like a whole deeper dive to be done on what happened in Brooklyn N Y. You know whether it's Kyrie Irving Kevin Durant or some combination of both. Didn't WANNA play forum. I mean I I still. You're never gonNA get me to believe that. Kenny Atkinson walked into Sean Marks Office and said that my voice isn't getting through to these guys like I just hadn't coached them like he coached. What Kyri for like twenty games heat coach Kevin Durant for zero? He coach the combination of Kyrie Spencer? Dinwiddie and who was Harris? Or somebody else. There are at Okara slivered for like five games like having coached at. Do not having anything. Close to your full roster. You're just not gonNA convince me. That Kenny Atkinson was convinced that it didn't it didn't work there I think. There's there's way too much positivity around Kenny Atkinson right now and look the idea of twenty twenty one. Free Agent is certainly Nice. But it's not a reality yet but the reality is you've got your your young team in Chicago. That is just is there like they're they're the perfect team for Kenny. Atkinson to jump in and take over all right. Let me ask you. Lastly above Vince Carter and this is like I'm actually. I'm a little bit surprised role on that. There's been fairly minimal interest disputing the end. Vince Carter I say that is someone that I talked to Vince about a week and a half ago. I wrote a magazine Storm Story on him. I published our transcript of our interview on SL DOT COM this week. It just doesn't seem like Vince gets the kind of appreciation that Kobe or dirk and I get. He's not Koby in Dirk but this was an eight time all star who was an MVP candidate for a number of years who set the NBA record for number of seasons played. Who did something that I could probably count on one hand? The number of guys. That have done what? Vince has done in terms of going from Alpha superstar into role player. Who was able to accept that role and be successful at it for a number of years. I just why do you think there's been so kind of a collective shrug out there about the end Coming for Vince Carter. It's a great point. You know I read your magazine so it was really good. Not only was Vince. Carter all those things you mentioned. He is like one of the biggest fan favorites of that era of basketball from the from the mid. Two thousand early two thousands of his dunks. He was mega popular with a lot of people in my generation. It's crazy. I think the issue is several different things. Actually you know while it was great that he was a role player and willing to accept that role of the last few years of his career. He wasn't really playing on teams of consequence. You know obviously he wanted to play and I respect him for that but he was kind of toiling you know what the Kings when they weren't doing that much now with Atlanta who is having an even worse season than the year before so I think part of the issue was. He was just playing on teams. That didn't matter and then you're kind of bouncing around at the end. It was hard for you know if he had gone back to say Toronto. Let's say for a final season even the nets which you know might not be the team. People remember him floor which is something to give us kind of nostalgic element. That's kind of hard to appreciate Vince Carter. When he's playing for a team that you know he doesn't look quite right in the uniform are. The team is not very good You know he waited until the middle of the season to say it was gonNA be his last year so it's just little things like that that I think of made. It may be harder for people to appreciate minced and other guys of his ilk in the past and then obviously right now you know. There's so many things going on that it's kind of hard to put you know his send off into the proper context of everything else. That's happening in this country but I agree with you. Not only did he have such a great career on the court but whether it was you know the Olympic dockers dunk contest dunks. I mean this guy was hugely hugely popular people. Forget you know Vince. Carter was at any point during the mid two thousand pound for pound the most famous guy in the NBA. Yeah and too big. What if I'm going to have a Vince Carter career one? If it didn't go south in Toronto the the the end in Toronto was complicated on a couple levels like Vince. You know by his own. Admission Times wasn't giving it his all in in every single game. You had a coach at that time and Kevin O'Neill just wasn't equipped to be an NBA. Coach wasn't the right guy but like a full full bore. Vince and you have to remember that last full season yet in Toronto. That was rookie. Chris Bosh Year. Like Vince Carter. I Bosch were teammates for for one season like Chris. Bosh with that team eventually turned it around enough to become consistent playoff team. What might that team have been like if you had the Vince Carter that went onto New Jersey to be an all star player? Continue to be an all star player. I mean he was traded like that trade from Toronto to New Jersey a like the raptors got nothing out of it. They got two first round picks which turned out to be nothing and they got some spare parts. Alonzo Mourning. Who never played there. Eric Williams Vince Carter. You better get something back. I understand that there. That's a trade that needed to happen because of the toxicity of the relationship between Vince and that team specifically the front office. But that's going to be a big. What if to me the other part I never really understood? He get his explanation for it. Like I don't know what you gain a playing for Sacramento Atlanta at the end. I just don't like I don't know I get the you're playing a little bit more but it's not like you're playing thirty minutes a night and you're at least contending for a playoff spot. You're on a bad team that is in the early stages of a rebuilt and look Vince to me had an opportunity to play with a contender instead of the bench and be kind of a mentor. Type Guy it just didn't fit him. I wonder if they regret that. Down the line. Not like huge value in just being a fifteenth man on somebody's bench but it's got to be more value than you know like there were times last year. That Vince was a broadcaster. He was doing hawks. Game I just think I just. I don't really understand thinking especially at like one year in Atlanta okay but to go back to that team instead of signing on to be a backbencher with with a contender. I I. I don't really get that twenty two years in the NBA can't spend one of them. Just kind of join yourself like collecting that. What are you play like eight minutes a night with the San Antonio Spurs Gregg Popovich or some team like that as opposed to like twelve minutes a night with the Hawks? And it's it's uncomfortable anyway. Yeah it just like it's weird like I really respect him for being like. I just want to go where I can play. But it's not like these teams aren't going to use you at all and like you still going to have utility it. Just yeah. It was such a weird way for him to end his career. You not not even you at least try to go back to one of the cities that you were so famous and I mean I feel like there are a lot of teams. That would've used him even a tiny bit. I mean I could see him. You know launching up some threes for the rockets nine minutes a night. Something like that you know. Give yourself another opportunity to have one moment in the play offs. Where maybe you come off the bench and hit a big three in the third quarter. Something like that just something that we can attach to your final years of your career and be like that moment right there. You know broadest back to the Vince Carter of our youth as opposed to. Who's even watching Hawks Games over the last couple of months of the season? You know what I mean. It's like they're just irrelevant at this point. It is really sad to me because I feel like he could have offered so much by playing on a relevant team wasn't a title contender but just play for a coach. We love or anything like that I instead going to these teams. That are no one's paying attention to them by Christmas It's a little frustrating. It's irrelevant now but at least do it like Tracy McGrady did Patrice McGrady sign like in April of twenty thirteen but San Antonio road the bench in the playoffs like take a buyout before March. I think glommed onto a contender and see what's out there. I mean I just it was just weird like I mean. I grew up like Vince. Carter was such a big part of the fabric of the NBA in the early two thousands and the late nineties early two thousands. I mean he was like he was great like people that might be listening to this. Podcast don't remember how electric he was. I mean he changed and revitalize the slam dunk contest in two thousand. Yeah he was an MVP candidate. That year I mean when things were going good in Toronto. He looked like he was going to be the next Kobe. Like be the guy that took over for Michael and and ascend to those rankings. So it was just weird to see him kind of toil there the end with the Atlanta Hawks? I just wasn't. I wasn't really feeling that I mean tweets. Their own Vince. One thing I'll say about vents that he was very much at peace with his decision and this was the end if it ended a meaningless regular season game against New York where he's standing alongside RJ Barrett and taking feeds from trae young. I mean okay. Great like she's it's his own career it says life. I just would like to see them. Get One opportunity to play finals. And and have that story. Be Part of his overall legacy doubt. I just WanNa add in real quick. I mean 'cause we're Kinda see you know watching the last dance of teams and players. Don't always get the endings they deserve. And if you have an opportunity to get a special ending you know and I think some people. Obviously they roll their eyes. A little bit dwayne Wade during the one last dance rhythm Kobe Bryant. You Know Shooting Fifty Times in a game for twenty when Lakers team or whatever it was but you know these guys have given us people like me and you so much in terms of entertainment or the stories they provided or what they do for the fans like those moments are special. And if you're a player and you you get a chance to have the ending you deserve. Take it okay. Don't worry about Obama's GonNa roll their eyes or don't worry about you know feeling like it's going to be selfish because at the end of the day people are. GonNa look back on that last year. Whatever you did with fondness and I think that's important and you know whether it's Vince or whoever it is like what if Lebron James obviously you know Vince. Carter wasn't abroad. What if Lebron ended his career? You know doing something like this. It would be kinda devastate so I hope every player you know. Kinda gets the ending they deserve and maybe this is the one vince wanted. But it just feels like someone who gave so much to the fans in the culture of this lead deserved a little bit more. Oh you didn't Roll Your Eyes Dwayne Wade when he said stance you. You stood and applauded dwayne Wade when he ate that. Dwayne Wade if Dwayne. Wade's signed a contract with the Lakers. When this pandemic ends you'll be the first one to praise it as a brilliant move by Wade and Rob Blanca. Okay I this is what I get for trying to be diplomatic. But if we're going to go there I didn't merely stand in applaud Chris. I stood applauded and I cried. You make sure you get that in there. Crying noted for the record Road stay stay healthy out there. Stay off the beaches. Tell your corona rose out there to staff the beaches as well and thanks for joining me. My Man Anytime Chris Thank you. I'm the host of sports illustrated's new podcast corona virus and sports. The outbreak of cove. Nineteen has disrupted all aspects of normal life including sporting events around the world. 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Also, put on the poll at Lebatardshow is Kingsbury violating the mask rules because he wants all the ladies to be able to see his face I love that these NFL coaches while wearing a mask by habit are consistently even though the fines are big are consistently still putting their laminated play sheets over their mouths even though they're wearing masks that we can't see their lips and because they are extra double hiding their secret plays. And it is funny to see some of these guys I don't know how they're deciding who gets fine who doesn't get fined because plenty of people are violating the mask rules. Is there anything less surprising than JON? gruden being terrible at wearing a mask? Didn't he say dare them to find me or they're not gonna find me didn't he wasn't caught on camera saying that if he didn't say I'm surprised he has it right thanks. It regardless Vegas last night It was disappointing to me that it wasn't more Vegas I wanted pyrotechnics everywhere. They've got this billion dollar stadium that they can't put fans in and one of the things we're always talking about around here is our inability to measure things in football even. With advanced metrics doing better than it's ever been done. So I'm grateful that Greg Cody of the Miami. Herald, is here for decades of experience. Covering the National Football League, because one examples to side would give you for just one example. I could give you a thousand where I just get confused about things now. Stefan. Gilmore could've been the defensive player of the year last year the Patriots were great at least in part because of the things that he was doing for them at cornerback. When you looked at some of the metrics on him, people were not able to successfully throw against him unless the wide receiver was devante. Parker. And he I'm sorry. Yes. He was that he wants. The year and deserved it based on all of what the metrics were, and then in this game on Sunday against the seahawks decay metcalf had a passer rating when they were throwing to decay metcalf, the passer rating. Against Gilmore was one forty, three, point eight. So they were attacking. Gilmore with the specific kind of body type and tk metcalf is going to be somebody who's going to be hard to guard for anybody. But given everything I've just said about the difficulties in measuring this stuff Greg Cody I have to ask you the question here as our resident football expert. Are The raiders for real. Yeah, I think. So because they have a lot of young defenders who are ascending and they have Josh Jacobs who was fantastic last night and Derek Carr I think it's fair to say is one of the most under Derek Carr was talking before the game about how he feels like he's disrespected and I agree with him he doesn't get much credit. He's coming off a very good season. You know he looked very good last night and and when you have a solid young quarterback and running back like Josh Jacobs I think you have the starting point for a great team I happen to predict that upset so You liked them in. Foxborough next week. I'm not sure but I don't. Okay. So if I come to you next week and ask if the raiders are for real after barely beating Carolina and then losing to the Patriots if I ask you this question next week. Do you think you're going to be making? The same points about them because we've been asking are the raiders for real for about decade around here right I understand that but now they have. Josh Jacobs really coming into his own and they do have a lot of young pieces on defense I. Think it's a I. think it's an up and coming team I. Really do another stuck behind Kansas City in that division show. So that's GonNa make internally tough for them during the MAHOMES era but I, still think, I don't think last night was a huge upset you know drew brees is looking age and you know blew me I'm a guy coming from me looking his age. I can speak about guys becoming old overnight and drew brees. WAS NOT, accurate. Last night I know it's final stats were decent because he threw all those little dink's toward the end but man, he has not been impressive in the first two games in it really makes me wonder about the saints moving forward. They did beat the Saints Dan you have to give credit because a lot of people by self included. We're making fun of him last year the games past him buys gotten all but they've done a very, very good job. They got rid of MAC laughed at that. The Governor Cooper people laughed at that. Derek cars played great. Great addition to tight and you shake has been phantasm overstating how good car has been in first two games they've scored more than thirty points but I think you're overstating how good car has been the last few years he not been on the high end of of starting quarterback. The last I'm just saying with Waller and Jacobs Gruden's a decent job. That's all we need to make our minds up on car though because Derek Carr this sat blew me away last time when they put up the graphic he tied stabler for the most starts at Raiders quarterback all time I think with sort at Foxboro he becomes a quarterback that has started the most games for that historic. Franchise we need to make up our minds there but I don't. Yes. It was the saints the Saints. To do these peaks and valleys seasons without Michael. Thomas. You knew because I mean drew brees, Dixon, Michael, Thomas The pacifier for he's always going to look more limited on the road with Michael Thomas Out. Yeah. I thought it was going to be a big game for the running backs in receiving game because I mean he kinda checks down to as wide receiver one in Michael Thomas and you're seeing that right there that's not really the New Orleans Saints Best Shot when you take Michael Thomas Out, you've really limited a quarterback that is aging and becoming more limited himself. There's a Ryan tannehill quality to Derek Carr in Dolphin Fan spent seven years. Saying is Ryan Tannehill good enough raiders. Fans say the same thing about Derek Carr but you saw what Tannahill did last season once he inherited a premier running back and if Josh Jacobs continues to be the judge Jacobs, we saw last night it's going to be much smoother sailing for Derek Carr, Moon. It's always fascinating to me rights do God's when you start adding the skill position guys and you changed the way look at the years Donovan mcnabb had with Teo look at the years that Tom Brady. Had with Randy Moss they. They jump off of the stats page. Look at what Russell Wilson now has at the skill positions compared to the difficulties that he used to have at the skill positions talked about it with Josh Allen. Yesterday we'll see how it is moving forward but Josh Allen finally has a no more than wide receiver and stuff on dig but here's where you guys are on some of the things you're talking about because quarterbacks inevitably have to age whether they're drew brees Tom Brady we're seeing that aging process in a way that can't be disputed whether some noodle arm. Throws that can't be made with the same kind of Zip I'm Anne Carson Wentz threw the ball so hard and got picked off on Sunday, and because he's got the giant young arm and those are now not throws that drew brees can make into into tight spaces even though he's great at making throws into tight spaces when you're actually testing the arm strength but I was talking with Dominique Foxworth about this yesterday and he's not the only one saying this that's if the aging process continues this way with drew brees there is the real feeling among people who know more. About these things than we do that Sean Payton with Jameis Winston is a thing that can actually look different than what it is. You're used to seeing from James Winston I don't know if Sean Payton can coach the reckless out of Jameis Winston but if you coach the reckless out of James Winston, you will get a different skill set at the quarterback position than the one drew brees presently has drew brees is predicated on accuracy not arm strength I. Don't know if Sean Payton is capable of coaching the reckless out of James Wednesday it could be thirty touchdowns without the thirty interceptions. Telling you I know I know it's easy to laugh at Janus, Mike you can argue with domino examine those analytics, nerds and tastes him hill. This is tastes him hill show come on Gamer Gimme a a rough neck tied in quarterback hybrid that just makes plays every time he gets on the Field Oh. These analytics people they just don't want to give this thirty one year old young Sir a Chan. Argue with Dominic Foxworth about this later in the show, take it up with him. Be Ready Cody because we've got a lot of things to get to your back in my day is among them Stugatz, his weekend observations Billy's useless sound montage Mike Scott opinions on the roaring twenties. So we've got a lot that we have to get to today and I honestly don't know. Where to go among all the things we have but billy was suggesting because Ron McGill couldn't make it today billy was suggesting hey is greg cody, an expert at anything that we could take calls on Greg Cody. What would you be most comfortable if we were to replace the Ron McGill segment with Greg, cody segment of calls what do you feel confident that you could answer answer with some expertise that would also be a fun and interesting to the audience. Well the things that come to mind are cooking and gardening. Getting my hand in dirt literally and and my kitchen. Akron. All right. All right. So the telephone number if you WanNa talk either Dan or gardening is seven, eight, six, four, five, six, four, eight, three seven. But let's go ahead and begin with Gregg. Cody's back in my day. He was complaining during the local our about the way that he is used we have gotten maximum usage out of Greg cody today, and now we will see if he continues his hot streak with a strong back in my day. Now, any standard take a trip down memory lane. Here's your Guy Greg Cody with bagging my day. NFL Red. Zone. Inexplicably, this has become the Sunday church for fans of American football. It is the seven hour service. We cannot bring ourselves to miss the Deity is an impossibly good looking man named Scott Hanson. People who like this show love this show and I don't get it why I'm not even sure why it's called a red zone. If the ideas that drive forward to a finish line, shouldn't it be called a Green Zone? Here red zone and I think what they used to call unsafe areas of Iraq after the two thousand, three invasion of what today is still refers to the national government and military center in Islamabad cheese an alternate universe you tune into red zone Sunday and Scott Hanson would be bringing you live updates from the Pakistani parliament God watching Nfl red zone is like cheating cliff's notes the Rosie Ruiz shortcut it makes me feel dirty it's unearned information you want to know who scored watch the Damn Game Online on a friend which button and change the channel for the love of God or better yet get up and manually change the channel in the old days when you'd literally turn a big round dial from four to seven. Like a thief getting away scot-free red zone siphoning viewers from CBS and Fox telecasts whose product is devalued for advertisers what a scam you pick one game to watch and you're you're gonNA get your updates on a scroll at a leisurely coming pace watching red zone dizzying a frenetic speed dial from game to game whipping around the league at Blur speed and all the watch a bunch of scores that are happening whether you're watching or not, and that you'd be just fine to learn happened a half hour later four. Hours, later, watching red zone always makes me feel like I need to call a timeout makes me miss commercial breaks the show appeals to degenerate fantasy players and gamblers, and the people whom information overload has become indoctrinated norm. My wife's a Red Zone Hollick I'm trying to watch the Damn Dolphin Game Sunday you know focus on one game imagine that and she's manually tumbling back and forth on red zone. So I'm missing a forty seven yard, Josh Allen completion in order to watch a one yard scoring plunged by some lion. Another thing, red zone ruins, the element of surprise the joy of it I saw Dallas getting it's ass kicked by Lena unchain myself from the Cathode Ray tube for a couple of hours and was genuinely astonished to learn the Cup at one, forty, two, thirty, nine, Scott Hanson will rob that and other moments from degrees and we're seven hours quit letting this man. Strenuous information and his face. All right. You know who said ignorance is bliss. It was the English poet Thomas. Gray. When he said after watching seven hours of Rizzo's, I'm Greg Cody and that's how it was back in my day a truly horrifying opinion. You know how horrifying your opinion has to be for Tony? Who Once said that three, forty, five to four, fifteen on Sunday was an excellent napping time. To shake his head in sadness at what it is that you are saying I also WanNa put this on the poll because is funding for young people at Lebatardshow Guillermo. Do you remember when the TV was a knob with three channels four seven and ten because that is absolutely I? Think you might think that Greg Cody was making that up but there was a time where you had to get up and physically turn a giant now on your television to one of three channels and it's not that long ago there was no fox. Fox before Fox it was enough with three channels on it. I think the audience portions of the audience that doesn't know that a payphone what a pay phone is is going to be find that flabbergasting more flabbergasting than what I believed to be Greg cody worst opinion ever in a library filled with awful opinion. Pay That man he's money that was genuinely shocking. Shocking. We will get to Stu got says weekend observations we will get to billy's useless sound montage. Billy, before we get to Christine Lacey, how are you feeling about the useless sound montage this week how much of a dungeon of despair and suffering was it for you to listen to all of these cruddy football press conferences where people people say things like Mike Zimmer saying you can't You can't start winning until you stop losing. Wow spoiler alert, Jeez I mean I was feeling good about it but just going to cut on my legs from under man she's Dan. I'm sorry I did that too we will. We will get to the useless out montage and STU gods, his weekend observations in a second. But I'm sorry Christine Lisi I interrupted you. And finally earth actually had an eighth continent. Dubbed Velandia the entire continent sank after breaking off from Australia around eighty million years ago. Speaking, of things that are eighty point. I. Thought shaped like a cotton. Feel real curveball they're going after Greg Cody. Thank you for doing that Christine. We appreciate that. Brian claiming that Christine Lisi is backed me off the plate with Chin music and you know how hard it is to back off plate. So here is a tweeter writing in Stugatz, and this is an excellent question and I've been wondering it for two days two full days without saying anything. Why the stugatz looked like he has powdered donut on hat. As a good question I don't really have an answer other than I've been playing golf a lot in in these hats by hair's longer than it's ever been putting a lot of Gel on I don't know if it's a combination of sweat. If it's a combination of some of the, you know sunscreen and putting on my face when playing golf but there is something happening. You can clean that up. You know you can just scrub that. Out, with something pretty easily I gotta be careful with hats. You don't just throw them in the laundry at ruin. You don't just clean them Willy Nilly they can get away home, but instead you're on television on ESPN news looking like you have powdered donut on your hat i. think it adds character to the hat I. Do I think little more little sweat little white their little powder whatever it is you just adds a little character. To the hat the problem is some of my hats have gotten so much wight patter on top of it. They are no longer no longer usable, and so I've had this role. What different theories on what that white powder is what do you think tell me the theory? Put It on the Pole Guillermo at Lebatardshow does having powdered donut on your hat add character to the hat yes or no at Lebatardshow let's get. Let's get to this useless sound montage Billy Guild continues to be very excited about even though I totally undercut him by giving you a Mike. Zimmer quote that was just a fundamentally useless that the vikings cannot begin. To win unless they stopped losing here it is billy gills useless sound Monta. Own? Start by saying no today was not. Sharp Day quarterbacks jobs ever done. So you can always work at is mobile like Manna farmer menu. There's always work to do for us. It's a matter of just going to work today and having a great day today and getting better today is a new season, a new team new Jerry. He's a thing with Russ and it's almost like beyond say there's a consistency that I think we take for granted as far as the one hundred percent confidence. In Buck every time he's built you gotta deal with the situation you're given control you can control it's better to be prepared and not have your Opportunity Com than have your opportunity calm and not be prepared one week at a time when date it's GonNa take it day to day and it's on game in a game at a time Doug yourself such big hole they're panicking sky's not falling tweedle ride the wave we just show up play there's plenty of time to to get dumb what we need to get done well, it feels good win it's going to feel good to watch the film and Learn Connecticut responsibility not to kill we don't make excuses it is what it is. But so the day we want the game the other day, we weren't able to make a play to to get us over the top. We play two teams today, we played them ourselves, but I think pretty look like he got shot out of a cannon. Message across that you know it's a marathon, not a marathon at sixteen sprints credit where credit's due. From the top down the is always better than the past. I think it's tough sledding. Nose bleed he's not just a one trick pony long way to go on a short time to do it takes a player five thousand reps to really get an understanding feel for what he's supposed to do. How are we supposed to do it? I feel like I've spent thirty thousand hours just on those type of plays really big victory for us in September you know these September victories like I told the guys account in. December. So me it's not over until it's is just one moment in time. On this king grinding it he working in. Explosive plays into return game we add some splash. We can't start winning until we stopped losing a great football player you know a Lotta guys call it ease football player. This guy's a football player he can play anywhere on the football field. Off. Our first splash of the season what a flurry of the Andy Tomlin's Zimmer gruden flurry. We had some splash for the first time this season it feels good to get back to normal during the pandemic splash. Be. Put some hand sanitizer in their splash. I was shocked to learn in the middle of that stugatz shocked that it is not a marathon anymore, and now with sixteen sprint I knew I thought it was a marathon. I, thought we were headed toward the season is always a marathon. I still think it's a marathon and It on the poll Guillermo. lebatardshow. Is it a marathon or sixteen sprints because I have had my worldview altered people say I can't take on new information and I informed I'm telling you I always thought it was a marathon and now these people are telling me I, don't know who was the person who is saying it sixteen sprints. I. Have Not heard that it's sixteen sprints. I am happy that that person Zig while all the other marathoners are zagging I was Kevin Stefanski Dan Thank you defense game. You gotTA visionary. Visionary Browns Co goes running like a nose bleed. I think that was marcus spears. who shot out of a cannon who was shot out of a cannon there were certain. Who cares it's the entire it was my congratulations on knowing who it was. That was shot out of a cannon mean a given us some good sound. I believe the football player that could play anywhere on a football field was tasted. Say was chasing Hell I could play everywhere except quarterback. Because they're not playing him at quarterback and they would play him at quarterback if he was a quarterback because he's thirty years old. So anywhere on the field except their sixty million dollars a year. I don't know if it's true but I read somebody commenting about Pablo's podcast saying that dwayne Wade was recruiting Jimmy Butler to Miami when they were both in Chicago together that this is a thing that was actively being done I don't know how much I would like that if I were a bulls Fan I know that no one has done more for the Miami Heat Franchise Save for perhaps Pat Riley and it's a maybe then. dwayne wait. Do they bowls fans I guess they'd be upset about that the here dwayne come home to Chicago recruit their biggest star away from Chicago even Jimmy had a couple of stops before he made it ought to the heat yeah I guess I guess How would you not be upset by that because Jimmy Butler wasn't doing for the Bulls what he's doing for the heat which is helping them win. I mainly were seed consistently not that that's saying very much but they were an agency pretty consistently was also a part of good teams there. It just fell apart really quickly for dwayne once he left the Miami Heat and I don't know if you remember what was happening in that. Locker Room between some of the younger players and Rondo Butler and Dwayne Wade. But dwayne Wade realize when he got there Oh, this is not the right culture. This is not what I'm used to and Jimmy Butler smokin to Duane saying get you know what you're different cat I know a place that's perfect for you and how you work because I had no idea it was like that Miami and Miami was so different than everybody else. So, Greg Cody of the Miami Herald as big giant bleep eating grin on his face and I have no idea I'm thinking that perhaps he's reading something about himself or watching a video. They're usually that smile only makes an appearance when Greg Cody is you know just so nipples deep and narcissism what are you smiling about? What are you smiling about right now because you got a job is it just heat homer culture? You're very eager to talk about something that the nation at large does not want to hear about anymore. which is heap culture like the nation does not WanNa hear about what Miami has but I think homer columnist Greg Cody of the Miami Herald might have something to say about that. Well, I was actually smiling that Mike, referred to the culture into the heat having something that nobody else has know that's pervasive in south Florida, but I don't think it falls on the national ear very well, I think that people outside of South Florida thinks it think it's a bunch of bs but if you live down here and work down here. And follow the heat very closely. I think you know that it's real and for Dwayne Wade to sell that Jimmy Butler while both were in Chicago I think is very plausible it. Sounds to me like something that. Yeah of course that happened. So it doesn't surprise me in the least I know him a homer right but you don't think it's synonymous the here one of these very few franchises in Sports Culture Miami. Heat it's the Patriot way they've reached that sort of upper echelon for an entire younger generation. They're one of the most successful franchises ever in terms of getting to finals. There are people that are twenty, five years old and they look at the Miami Heat the way that like my generation looked at the Chicago. Bulls. That is a bit overstated I. Pay us in the Spurs who else I mean. They've won three titles they've been to five final be the is depending on how old you are. Are you tired put it on the pole. Guillermo at Lebatardshow are you tired of hearing about Miami Heat? Culture I. Think the Patriots, Way and the Bulls way are in a different stratosphere than what it is that you're talking about in terms of success when you're talking and Michael Jordan is responsible for that. But when you're talking about not just six titles, but the idea that people sort of assume that it came Elijah on wouldn't have gotten to win if Michael Jordan had simply continued playing, right. But if you're twenty two mikes point, you're right I off, the Patriot way is is in a different category. Than anyone. But if you're a twenty year old, you do look at the heat as one of those organizations I mean, they've won three championships since two thousand in my lifetime I don't think anyone's reached the finals with three different cores if they're two wins away if they do with another, Corp- because you had waiting shack the big three now Jimmy Butler leading a team that's pretty unprecedented. Not I'm not disputing the size of the achievement. I'm simply saying that you're putting it in a class that the nation does not put it in and I understand if you were to say what's harder to. Do what the Spurs did with the same core or to continue to get to the finals with three different cores. That's a better conversation to have. But I think that most people are simply going to object to homer Mike at the very beginning simply putting in that stratosphere, the Miami Heat of made seven. Eastern Conference finals. Okay and that has been with different course and it's more than any other team has done in the eastern conference including the cavs of Lebron James while Lebron kept getting to the finals year after year. But Still Eastern Conference finals are not the measurement we don't do to. Michael Jordan Western. Conference, finals don't do to Tom Brady how many times have you won the AFC or the AFC east it's winning the titles and totally understood understand if they make it to the finals again, that is within a fifteen year span that they've made it to the NBA finals with a different core I would like to know what the president is for that in any sport, it's very difficult to do maybe an like European soccer where you can just spend cash and just changed the team year-over-year but in the NBA, they kind of have rules against that it's a massive achievement if they. Were and how do you explain it? You coaching because it's an intangible thing yeah. They had great players but no one's done this with Jimmy Butler people are going to start attributing it to the culture. It'd be a different number one I mean three titles with a different number one Guy Wade Lebron, and then Wade is the number two Butler is a number one that's pretty impressive but it on the poll Guillermo Lebatardshow what's harder to do to win five championships with the same core or to win three championships with three different cores or getting to the finals with three different colours I know that Greg Cody has opinions about Lebron James, being angry that he finished second in the MVP voted you know what my position is on this it's fairly consistent I. Think it's one of the dumbest things we regularly do in sports arguing about whether this guy is a percentage point better than that guy at being great we do it for all time and we do it year to year and I think it's really dumb. I'm really begging Greg to surprise me with an opinion because I know exactly where this is. Going with all right I cannot wait to hear where this opinion is going but Lebron James is angry about this and greg cody badly wants to have the cliche sports radio conversation about whether or not. Let's see how predictable this is. We've gotten pretty good at being able to predict what's going to happen to cody around here what he's going to opine. So the floor is yours Greg Let's see if you could surprise us. I. Doubt It. Well, I'm not trying to surprise you I'm trying to give A. Band on cody on ESPN radio.

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How Marathons Work

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How Marathons Work

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There's Charles w Chuck Bryant over there, and there's Jerry and this is Steffi should know the hot and sweaty edition. It is hot in here, although I know that you were talking about marathon running. Yeah, I was. But it worked both ways you know you ever had an to run a marathon? No, same here now really researching this, you know, I get kind of caught up when when we do research. I'm going to start growing bonsai I'm going to grow orchids. I'm going to start, you know, clipping those little those little indentations into into currency to help the blind and they start cleaning up crime scenes. That was another one. Yeah. So that didn't happen. I felt the beginnings of an inkling of it and I wanted to go jog, but I, I don't wanna marathon. No. Well, my joke that I've been saying for about thirty years is I don't even like driving twenty six miles. The give one. Yeah, it's kind a little stale. Yeah, I've never had the urge. I think it's great if people want to run marathons sharia, but it is not for me. I hate running. See I like running. I just I hate it. I don't have any desire to run that far for that long. I like walking like spinning, I like all kinds of great aerobic exercise. You mean spinning like cycling? No, no. Like kid splitting twirl, truly. Okay. Twirling and tumbling. I like rolling down hills. None enough spinning on a bike. It's all great, but I just I hate running a hate it. Okay, never have liked it well, then. Yeah, marathons, probably not for you know, but there it is for plenty of people. There's an, it's growing in popularity. I don't know if you know this or not, but marathons are quite popular Chuck. I saw that in the upcoming, I believe it's in November. The New York marathon? Yeah, they're expecting fifty thousand plus people to run it, and that's out of like one hundred thousand plus people who are applying to be chosen to run. Wow. There's a lot of people and then the half marathon to there is I think in two thousand fourteen four full years ago, there was something like two million finishers. That's a lot of people running marathons and half marathons. So clearly it's popular and that's okay with me like to your thing. Yeah, I've, I've. I flirted with the idea of it's in k.. With our famous Peachtree road race. Yes, because it's and we'll talk about this some in the show, but it's, you know, it's a social event and and from what I see, it's a good time to go out and run the Peachtree road race and growing up in Atlanta c. n. everyone with those shirts on the fourth of July. Yeah, I'm always like, man. I want one of those shirts one day by one from EBay. But. Then I remember the running part of it and then quickly to say, no, thank you. And it's on fourth of July, right? Yeah. I mean early in the morning, so it doesn't matter. It's fourth of July in Atlanta. It's already like a hundred degrees. I know it's hot. That's crazy town. But I think the idea is you get it done before, like ninety m. Yeah, that's what I understand to, but still it's probably pretty hot. All right. Should we talk about history here? Yeah, let's so I think most people realize that the marathon is based on Greek history. Yeah, but there's a, there's a pretty decent story too, if you ask me. Yeah, so let's go back to ancient Greece. Okay. Let's go to Athens. Okay, we're, we're hanging out. We're a little drunk. Sure. I'm wine where eating delicious. Olives, maybe love all of maybe some lamb what else I've given up lamb. Yeah, don't eat lamb either. Let's see. We could be eating rice filled grape leaves. Okay. And what did kill somebody to give us a little Ted's Zeki sauce for him? I don't think so. All right. Well, I'm happy. All right. So we're hanging out the the as your blue sees the beautiful white homes on the seashore, but things are not looking good because next door, the Persian. Want to come in here and kill us and take our city because it's so beautiful. Yeah, and there's a lot of them. There are something like five to one compared to the Athenians. So where worried so the ethin- army, like most other Greek armies and like the Inca later would employed runners who are who are soldiers. But their job as a soldier was to run as a messenger from place to place as fast as they could over very long rocky mountainous distances yet. Did they not use horses because of the terrain? I don't know. Maybe horses hadn't made their their way down there by then. All right. So for whatever reason they use human beings that were fleet of foot to literally run messages back and forth. And it was a big job because you're not just handing over a piece of paper you. You are taking the place of a FaceTime call or. A phone call and that you need to go back and say, well, it got to say when I gave him the message, he initially seemed interested, but then his face turned. And although he said it's okay. His face said, it's not okay at all. So I would really be worried if I were you that his official reply isn't really on the level. Yeah, and they would go fit buddies. You are one of the best ever. Thank you so Filippini's was actually the the name of the Athenian army messenger at the time of the Athenians, fending off the Persian invasion about four ninety BC and he ran off to Sparta to from marathon and ran off to Sparta to say, hey, Spartans, we need your help. We've got this, the Persian invasion coming, and we need your help. And he was very famously kicked into a bottomless hole yet at the Spartans. Said, we have to oil are ABS. Can do some crunches. So no dice on the help. Yeah, they said no. And from what I understand he, he made it back and said, they said, now I have to go to sleep now for a couple of days because he made this trek about twenty five miles about forty kilometers in a day and a half yet. But from where from marathon. Okay. I don't think we pointed that out yet. Did we? I okay. I said he made it from from marathon. I think we'd just I was missing. The drummer will. Oh, sorry, you ready? He was in. Marathon. That's very started out. Yeah. I really blew it for nine, realize it was see. This is proof positive that we don't coordinate record. I just thought it was supposed to be a big, reveal near, like in the marathon. This is true. I'm sorry, Chuck. All right, everybody. So that's the big reveal is the name of the place was marathon where marathon? That's right. So pets story one. There's another story that may have happened may not have happened. All this we should say is ancient Greek legend does your as far as we know. But the the Athenians actually did manage to stave off the Persians. And Philip eighties was tasked with running from the battle. Maybe that was at marathon back to Athens to say, don't burn this down. The persons have been vanquished. We're all we're all good. Yeah, but rather than being able to say all this, he's supposedly made it back to Athens just with just enough energy left in his body to say Nike and fall over and die. And Nike was, of course, the goddess of victory and. And victory meant that they need to held off the Persians. Don't burn down the city. Oh, so they didn't say, why are you plugging shoe with your final breath? Right? He goes just do. And the idea if it sounds weird that he that they were going to burn down the city. I think the idea was that they thought they were going to lose so they're going to burn their city down because they just thought it was a bygone conclusion, a foregone conclusion, and they didn't want the Persians to come in there and like raid their city. I think they really the jealous lover type like, oh, if you can't, if I can have you know in. Gotcha. Okay. No. All right. They said it's other city. All right. So flash forward in time to eighteen ninety six the very first Olympic Games which we should probably do a show on at some point. Yeah, we will like the first Olympia had and the the well, those one guy in particular, Michael Brielle or Brel who proposed, including an owner is to this in recreate this, this legendary marathon race that Fidelity's ran so many years previous and the. The leader, the coordinator of the game speier day, cohort teen. So that sounds good to me. It's twenty five miles. We're going to call it a marathon and go forth and run. He did put in by the way I took French in high school. So if you'll allow me, I think it's Michelle Brielle. Okay. And Pierre day Cooper, ten, okay. You have to say it real snotty like, but they, they were apparent supposedly, they, they're not like they don't deserve all the credit Robert Browning and written a poem about fifth, he's run to Athens. Yeah, and it was pretty popular at the time. So they were probably inspired by that, but they did. They said, we're going to redo the Olympics with gotta have a marathon race, which was not exactly Chuck accurate because the Olympics have been going on for hundreds of years by the time Fidelity's was around. The first modern games we should say, right, right. And they went on for a couple of hundred years after v. He's come and gone and at no point during this, I think maybe five hundred or seven hundred year run of the first ancient Greek Olympics. Was there anything even remotely close to a marathon is one of the races? I think the longest that they had was somewhere around between a five to ten k run that was far and away as far as they ran. But these guys decided to, again inspired by the Robert Browning poem, create a marathon, and a lot of people said, you're gonna kill somebody. Yeah, that was the thing. It wasn't round the accepted the whole twenty five mile thing in eighteen ninety six. A lot of people did say that it's too long. It's too hot, not a good idea, right? And they said tech with you, we don't care if we kill anybody. This is the Olympics. Don't you understand how big a deal that is? And they said, no, not yet. But we'll we'll watch and see so they, they held this Olympics and it was from the from the very from from the very outset, the marathon was taken quite seriously. I think just because it was such a nut so thing to try that. No one had ever tried before the Greeks in particular who hosted this first Olympics. They had thirteen of, I think the seventeen competitors in the marathon were Greeks and they held trials over the course of the marathon course to see who who could do it and what their times where and they came up with with some pretty good guys. Two of which eventually came in first and second for those first Olympic marathon? Yeah. The sky's speared on Louis or Lewis. I don't know. He's Greek seems Lewis. He won. He got a time of two hours twenty eight minutes and fifty seconds and legend has it. And this may be it may not even be legend. It may just be straight up fact that he stopped halfway through the race to have a glass of wine. Yeah, I was thinking about that and I'm like, right? He was treating that like you would treat a Gatorade, I need to restore myself. So give me some wine. Maybe the thing is is that that time you just said to two hours twenty eight minutes and fifty seconds is insanely good yo sure. And I'm sure that caught the attention of people who've run marathons and they're like what? That was the first guy back in eighteen ninety six. The the thing about the first marathon was they were straight up forty kilometer races, so they were about twenty five miles. Yeah, not twenty six point two. Hence, the reason why is his time was so good, but it's still a really, really good time, but that extra one. Point, two miles at the end can really Jack time up from what I understand. Yeah, that didn't come about until thousand nine hundred eight in London. When they were the host and King Edward, the seventh wife Alexandra said, and this is just so great. Let's twenty five miles and she was like, would like the race to start by the palace and they were like, well, that means an extra one point two miles on this already dangerous race and everyone rolled her eyes or like, all right. I I saw that not only did she wanted to start by the palace. They said, okay, that's fine. It'll be like twenty six miles. Then she said, well, ok, after you've officially said that, I want to actually to start in front of the children's nursery so they can see the starting line. So they added another point two miles because of Alexandra kill them and they're like, maybe maybe. Oh, well, all right, but still do it. Yeah. So they for the night. Thousand nine hundred Olympics. That's the first time we have a twenty six point, two mile marathon, and it was so the children could see from the nursery which is kinda sweet. Actually it is pretty sweet and then so there have been marathons before that nineteen. Oh, eight one again, the first one is those eighteen ninety six Olympics. There was one in Boston held in eighteen ninety seven which became the Boston marathon, and it's been held every year since then. That's amazing. It is amazing. But from that point on marathons up until I think nineteen seventy, they were elite events. You were in elite marathon runner. If you were in any mayor thought you were there by invitation. Most of the time your competitors were from the country that the marathon was being run in and it was an enormous honor to be invited and that's who ran marathons, but then in nineteen seventy a guy named Fred lebeau or Liebau. I'm not quite sure how you say his name. He said, you know what to heck with all the snobby nece. I'm gonna start a marathon for everybody, and he started a marathon that ran around central park in nineteen seventy with one hundred runners, and it was not only just opened everybody. It was open to women too, which was a huge deal. And he started kind of the first mass for the people style marathon in the New York City marathon. Although Boston, I believe it kind of been toying with this a little bit, but Fridley but really kind of blew the lid off of it. And from that point on marathon started to pick up more and more impopular already, especially when an American won the gold medal in the nineteen seventy-two marathon at the Olympics Frank shorter. And then of course, for anybody who seen Forrest Gump, the whole fitness craze that started around that time really gave marathon running a boost. Yeah, that was like you said, seventy two. And I remember growing up in the. Seventies, I remember even knowing as a child that this was a new thing, sweeping the nation, fitness, fitness craze, a fitness revolution. I remember being just very aware of like running everyone's running like they're running magazines, running clothing. That's all over the place now and everyone is running. And I remember just like feeling like man, this, everyone's making a big deal about this running thing, and it was didn't know at the time, but it was because it was sort of a new deal. It wasn't like you didn't have to be, you know, way one hundred eight pounds and just be like a tiny stick of a person like, that's what you think of. When you think of marathons, it really democratized it and said, you know, if you want to lose some weight, if you want to manage your weight, if you wanna just have more energy or increase your cardiovasc-. Fitness get out there and beat the streets and run because it's sort of the cheapest. Easiest form of exercise. Yeah, and it's also the most independent too. There's no team. There's no you don't have to do with anybody else you can. There's no coordinating necessarily. Although as we'll see as you get into marathoning, all that stuff really comes into play at, it's at its core. It is running is the the most basic type of exercise there is low fi. It really is. I think that definitely tracked it a lot of people plus I'm not sure what kicked off that health craze, but that really, really fit in nicely with the idea that all you need is a pair of shoes into really, really revealing shorts and you too could be a runner. Should we take a break? Sure, because I find myself getting excited all of a sudden it was the short shorts, but wanting still to not run a marathon. Okay. All right. We'll be right back. Hey, buddy. Let's talk about buying a home because of rising interest rates. There's a lot of unpredictability when it comes to buying a home and it causes a lot of anxiety with people. 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Transactions, additional conditions or exclusions may apply based on Quicken Loans, data in comparison to public data records equal housing lender license in all fifty states in s consumer access, dot org. Number three, zero three zero. All right. So we said the seventies are where the marathon boom started, but it really hit in. I think the nineties people like that's when that's marathons started popping up everywhere by then like cities, major cities, all have marathons think Berlin started their legendary one in nineteen eighty and then London nineteen Eighty-one. But now you can go to just about any town and there's a marathon there at least once a year. Did you see this weird stat in here? That jump out at you totally. I'm just gonna read it. They're trying to prove in this article how what? A boom in popularity in the nineties. And it says this from nineteen ninety one to nineteen ninety. Two alone marathon finishers increase from nine thousand to nine thousand two hundred. Like is that right? Yeah. Is it missing? One is supposed to be nineteen thousand. I I don't think so. I think they just are impressed by very small numbers. There was another one that came later. It said that the percentage of runners under twenty years old over the past fifteen years has increased from one to one point, eight percent. Whoa. Yeah. His weird man. All right. Those weird stats aside there was a boom in the nineties running. USA said that the number of runners and the largest half marathon and marathon in two thousand increased by about ten thousand. I don't. I'm sorry. Increased to twenty nine thousand and thirty eight thousand respectively in the half marathon marathon. Yeah, that's like that's. That's again that thirty eight thousand numbers now. Fifty thousand plus for the New York City marathon, so it it's still growing. Craig dramatically, Katherine Switzer or Sweitzer came along the first official female participant for the Boston marathon. And do you know she was almost thrown out mid race when they found out that she was a woman brunt? Yeah, she entered as a case weizer in nineteen sixty seven. Yeah. So she wrote a book about it called marathon woman where she not only talks about the fact that women like are graded this, but you can do this. You don't have to be nineteen twenty years old. You can do this into your into your sixties and you see that you see people in their forties, fifties, and sixties ambience. Yeah, just still out there on the streets. Marathoners are interesting people like when you see him on the street, you can tell the difference usually of like your average like jogging for exercise. And like I'm running miles and miles and miles. You can see it on their face. You can't. They when is usually kind of like popping out more than the other, the hairs coming out and toughs their knees are bleeding, that kind of stuff. Here's the interesting set for me though, says most long distance runners are college educated from seventy four to ninety three percent, which is interesting, and they make a couple of points that you're not just exercising your your legs or your body, but your brain because a lot of brain training goes into this. It's not the kind of thing you can just say, yeah, I'm going to run a marathon. Let me see how that goes with training and scheduling and just being out there running for twenty six miles is a big brain exercise in and of itself. Yeah. Yeah. Just the run itself is, but also the months and months and months of preparation and dedication, and self motivation and discipline. Like that takes a tremendous amount of brain. Empower that you might otherwise be, you know, using to to do. I want a little Debbie coffee cake or Drake's coffee cake today. Why not? Both? You know, we talked about the training. Shoot sure. Because training it's not, and I'm glad they said this in this article because I was afraid they were going to be like, here's how you do it. No, they wisely did the opposite of that. Yeah, there isn't a single way to train for a marathon. There are so many and started to look in. It's just overwhelming. It really is. There's entire magazines and websites dedicated to just training for a marathon, not even running, but like training for marathons, and it's like there is a lot to it. Yes. So it's it's easy to be intimidated by that or to go down the rabbit hole where all of a sudden six months later you're so researching training methods and not just diving in, but you know, find something that you think might work for you and then just get out there and give it a shot. Right, and adjust as necessary would be what I gathered from this. That's that's great advice. I think also it's probably smart as with just about. Anything these days do you like to some preliminary research to see if there's anything you should look out for or try? I, but just get a pair of shoes and go, try running and see what happens. Yes. So you're, you're going to be running not not every day depending on what training regimen you undertake, but almost all of them that I saw features one time a week. You're going to go on a run that's probably at least fifteen miles right and unite expected like the day you start training marathon or even the the week, you search training for a marathon to do a fifteen mile run like this, something you work up to fifteen or twenty or twenty six is the max that you're going to try to run to and you work up to that over time. Like we should say, if you decide that you want to train for a marathon, you should start about eight to nine months. If you're starting from zero, you should start about eight to nine months to to begin training for your first marathon because you are meant to slowly work your way. Up if you try to do it other than that you going to pay dearly in pain. Have you ever heard of couch to five k.. Yeah, I have. I don't know what it is. I can guess. You're right. I guess go ahead and guess I it is you just jump off your cash run a five k. and then you go back to your couch. Well, you're wrong. No, it's exactly what you would think is it's a, it's if you really do not run at all. It's a pretty good intro program to get you up to a five k. I tried it for a little while when I was like maybe I should run a five k and it. It just starts out with like, you know, running and walking and then running a little bit more walking lasts until you're running a five k, but that's a pretty decent way to start. But some people right out of the gate or like, no, you know what? I don't want to run a five k or ten k I want to run a marathon. Yeah, so you can do that, but you know, you just have to your training your body to run for twenty six point two miles which there's people out there who are like the not only are you not supposed to do that? The human buddies not meant to run. We're supposed to walk. That's it. Yeah, this is totally unnatural. Most other people say that's not true, but twenty six point two miles across the board. People say that everage person can't just do that. You have to work up to it. Yes. So you're. Gonna have that one weekly long run. You're gonna be cross training on your days in between which keeps you in good shape, and you're just using the whole point here is to use your muscles in your lungs in a different way. Well, yeah. And you're also giving your the muscles you use to run rest, you're, you're working about your keeping working them out, but you're you're taking a rest from running. Yeah. Although there will be a full rest day in there as well where you're we'll, we'll talk about the muscles in how they regenerate here in a minute, but then you've also get your speed work or training or the greatest word ever fart like running right. L. e. k. is that then I saw its weeded, okay. Yes, we were speed play as innocent the Swedes. Until good looking. But in training, that's when you're doing things like you're working out different muscles like by sprinting in spurts, or you know, running real fast than slowing down and it's just it's just working out different parts of the body. Yeah. And again, well, we'll talk about why you would wanna do that, but that is definitely part of marathon training. And again, as Chuck said, this is not meant to be your how to guide to marathon training. Nope, just listen to this and if it gets you like jazz, then maybe you should go try to learn how to train for marathon, but that's not what we're doing right here. No. And the other really helpful thing that said in here was that like what is your goal here? You need to figure that out. Are you trying to be competitive? Are you trying to just finish the race, or do you have a time goal in mind? Do you want to like walk part of it? Like just figure out what your goal is here and it early on? It's probably just like I just wanna go out. There and finish this thing. Yeah, I think that's what a lot of people there. First goal is probably ninety nine percent of first time marathoners is just a finish, you know? Yeah. Without pooping yourself the. Yeah, we'll talk about that later. The one of the things about marathoning is in everyone who is friends or a relative of somebody who marathons knows is it. It can become something of an obsession. One way that you could be right one way you can become obsessed with marathoning is by keeping a training journal which most most training regimens encourage and there's there's a number of reasons you would wanna keep this. So trading journal just basically is where you log your data from a run, whether it's like how your aches and pains were what your heart rate was. If you keep up with that, which of your shoes you're wearing, how much sleep you got the night before, what the weather was like, what your weight was, all this different stuff. You can log all that down. And over time you can start to find patterns in that data and you can see well, oh, actually my orange shoes, I do way better. Those blue shoes. So I'm not gonna wear my blue shoes anymore, or I run really well if I've gotten five hours of sleep, but I run terribly at six and a half hours sleep. You can find patterns like that and you can use it to kind of guide your training a little more. Plus it's also a big motivator too, because especially like you say, you're logging body weight or your time or whatever you can actually see physically intangible form your improvement over time which can keep you going, you know, for sure. So trading journals usually pretty good idea, but it is kind of it encapsulates like the idea of really becoming very focused on on marathoning. Yes, the same. Like if you're if you're trying to keep up with your like food or calorie intake, like they say, the best way to do that is is to journal about us one of the apps that helps you journal about it. Yeah, for sure. All right. Should we talk about muscles. Yes. So there are a couple of types of muscles, and I know we've talked about this before in something. Over the past ten years, but I can't remember what I don't either, but the twitch, the slow twitch in the fast twitch muscles. And there's also I saw intermediate twitch, but what we won't mention those. The muscle that dare not speak its name. Slow twitch. Muscles are important for marathoning because they are your what you. I guess you would call your endurance muscles for endurance events because the muscle fibers contract very slowly. The fast are for more like sprinting, but they do think that if you are like a top tier marathoner, you may actually have physiological edge because you might have a larger proportion of slow twitch muscles too fast, which, yeah, I saw that slow twitch muscle. So that has way more my globe in and mighty Qendra and Keppel Aries which means you get more oxygen and more oxygen rich blood, and you have more oxygen conversion sites to convert energy into muscle movement right there in the muscle. So it's way better for long distance endurance running. They'll have more slow twitch vest which because over time. When you're working out, you tear your muscles, you pull them, you stretch him utero. Yeah, and you, you get stronger because your body repairs the muscle and it's stronger than it was before. That's how you gain muscle mass, right? Apparently with runners with any athlete, but your body repairs it with the muscle that you need more. So if you're doing long distance running and you need more slow, twitch muscle when you tear fast twitch, muscle may be replaced with slow twitch. It's called muscle fiber recruitment. So yes, it would make total sense that long distance runners have more slow twitch, fast twitch in their muscle fiber than the average person. Yeah. 'cause they pretty cool because they trained that way. Their body developed fashioned itself to fit its training fit their training. Yes. So that kind of the point of that is like even if you're don't have a literal physiological. Vantage, you can still train your body to become something different, right? You may not win the Boston marathon. You never know, but you might when your age group. Sure or place. Yep. Or finish finish. That would be my my goal for sure. You're also beyond your muscles. It is obviously an aerobic exercise. The oxygen feeds these muscles. Your heart is is supplying this oxygen in your lungs, and it's all just an amazing, amazing aerobic fitness routine that you're going through, but it takes time to get there like you can't like just like your muscles can't take pounding the pavement for ten miles on day one. Your lungs are not going to be ready in your heart's not gonna be ready for that either. No, you just you have to start out slow and know that you're going to work your way up. This is when you should come in with one of the famous Josh. Like rhyming lines. Get in where you fit in. Slow. Yeah. So you can go. Why not? All right. But with the with the oxygen thing, though, that I wanna talk more about the slow twitch muscles because I'm fascinated by them, the more oxygen you can train yourself to take in VO too, I think is what it is. The volume of oxygen, the more the oxygen gets transported to your slow twitch muscles. And again, they're oxygen and glucose is being put together to form ATP, which is the energy molecule that powers, muscles that makes a move. So the more glucose, the more oxygen you have at the site of your muscles, the more your muscles are getting to be able to contract and the further the longer you're going to be able to keep running. So it's fascinating that like just training your lungs to take in and distribute more oxygen to your muscles will allow you to run farther and that the muscles that you're tearing are being rebuilt to specialize in accepting that oxygen and. Using it more efficiently. So I, I feel like the fact that the body is capable of of changing itself. Like this certainly suggests that. It's not like we're not designed to run. We were designed not to run. So if he's in the word design, but then your leg would just come right off if you tried to run twenty six miles something like that would happen. Yeah. Your muscles wouldn't become more efficient allowing you to run further. Yeah, good point. Very good point. It didn't rhyme. I'm sorry, but that's the point cross. So if you're wondering about that heart rate though, and what like how fast should my heart beating? There's a formula man named Gordon beer. No eight Gordon block. Yes, it was it. He he determined to formula for an ideal training heart rate, which is two hundred twenty minus your age. Yeah. And then you multiply that times point six and point two, nine. Why that would be your range of your heart rate? Your beats per minute, right? Between those two numbers that you end up with your ideal heart rate for training? I didn't see where I didn't see that anywhere else. I don't understand what that point. Six point. Nine is couldn't find what that is. What do you mean what that is? Like? What? What is that? Where does that come from. Explains that. I wanna know. Oh, like how he developed the formula? Yeah, I don't know how you develop any formula. I in trial and error. Yeah. Plug in numbers until you land on what what's your formula that guy died. So point one, two is too high. Let's try point one one. Well, how about this? Then? Forget that throw it out the window and use the old fashioned talk test. Ideally, if you're in your ideal training zone, you should be able to talk if you're if you're going to hard and you're doing that thing where you're been over and someone's asking you a question and you hold up your hand and you're shaking your head like give me a minute. You're working too hard. Well, this is this is while you're actually running, you should be able to talk. Correct. Okay. Yeah. And if and if you do the thing that I just described right where you're shaking your head and you're waving in your finger and going, no. Well, you can't even say that actually. Then that means your work into art. You need to be able to talk if parents, if you can sing, then you're not working hard enough, right? So if you see a marathoner that singing that singing Billy Joel then again, piano man, yeah, then they're, they're not. They're doing it wrong. Now, no one wants to hear that. Who's things that's on Billy Joel? Well, then let him sing it. He doesn't even want to see any more. Yeah, I'll bet he does it, but you say, because it's a pretty good song and it's about him really. Well, in John Davy and Paul? Well, yeah, yeah. But I mean, he's the piano man, right? Sure. It's not like a metaphor for for. I don't know like God or something. Right? No. Okay. He's a piano man. John real estate novelist, David still in the navy, a real estate novelist. Yeah, he writes novels about real estate. No, I think he's a real estate guy who writes novels on the side. Okay. You never had time for a wife. Billy Joel really was a poet. But Davies in the navy, he, no, he probably will be for life. That's right. An American loves us on. Like a MO fo like most great songs. Yeah, this. Visuals, ation such a problem with that dumb word. That's a big deal. Not only for marathoning, but any anytime you have something big in your life that you want to accomplish, you're supposed to visualize that and look at yourself in your mind's eye crossing that finish line without poop running down your leg, which we'll talk about in a little while and there's a guy named Jeff Galloway who's positive brainwashing where you come up with some magic words for yourself that can you can just repeat in the rhythm of your run. He recommends relax, power glide. That's good, but you can choose anything you want. Yeah, like Metallica corn husks you know, it's so funny is right before Metallica. I was thinking exit light internet. No. Yeah. No, that's the worst Metallica song of all to is it. I don't know. I like the old stuff I too, but I'm saying like, surely there is another song on that that was way worse. So, and there's been worse since then. I was just being coy. Linda's is come on. I don't even know. That's all. I just made it up. It sounds like it'd be pretty bad though. Should we talk about the runner Cy? Should we take a break before we do. Oh, geez, I was on a podcast I, yeah, let's leave them hanging because everybody wants to know everyone tuned in just to hear about the runner's high and we're gonna make you wait a little longer. Hey, Chuck it this. Yeah. If you want to go to an industry that has some of the most complaints available online at the Better Business Bureau, you could do worse than going to home security. The industry is rife with with problems in issues and things that don't need to be. And that's why simply safe has been for less ten years trying to fix it single handedly. That's right. Simply safe. 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By the way, there's a lot of back and forth about whether it exists or not. But what I saw you need to run at about a six out of ten level of exertion for two hours basically nonstop at about the same pace in a rhythmic motion. That's where you're likely to experience runner's high. I've never done that in my life. I'm probably never will. So I'll never get the experience runner's high choke. Yeah, I thought it was two minutes, so I just got discouraged every time. Well, that's the funny thing about it is a lot of people do run because they want to see what runners highs like, and it's like, well, maybe you'll find out in five years. Yes. So here's what our runner's high as then we'll talk about what may or may not be, but that's the state where you're running and you're, you know, he may be laboring and it may be tough, and then you reach a point where it's just like everything clicks in your, you got that even stride, your body feels great. You're breathing, steady, the rhythm, relax, power, glide, yeah, it's happening. And you get this state of like you fauria almost and they even described sometimes like a meditative loss of time can happen. Yeah, I saw also that it's, it's like you feel like you can just keep keep running forever. Yeah, feel so good. And the the apparently for a long time, everybody was like, well, it's clearly endorphins. Endorphins are great chemicals that we know your body releases when you exercise, but they did a little further study and said, endorphins are actually too big to cross the blood brain barrier in a very short time. So it's. Probably not endorphins being clearly affects you your mood. So there's something that's affecting the brain and they think that, yes, your body does release endorphins when you exercise, but they go directly to receptor sites in your muscles to kind of dampen the pain? Yeah. What they think the runner's high is Canaveral. It's. Yeah. Civically. Annetta Meyde or Neta Mead? Yes. Georgia Tech are very Georgia Tech and Cal Irvine, they did as joint study, and they said that if you exercise for long enough, you can produce this. What is it an atom Mead, an atom. I'd either one and it is in fact a cab annoyed not unlike THC. Yeah, I mean exactly. Well, THC's can have annoy too, right? Yeah, but the feeling that you get. Right. So since it's a cadaver annoyed receptor, that's being activated this, the feeling would be kinda similar to, but I'm guessing you don't. I, I don't know. Maybe do just kinda get Laffy or whatever, maybe paranoid. How about this? I want to hear from someone who's experienced runner's high port. Sure. Yeah. Who was also had some experience with marijuana? Oh, hey, great. And I would like to know how they compare. We need to troll group. Somebody who's had a runner's high that is never touched pot and we, we're going to compare your descriptions. The podcast on God. So. So we just need to hear from someone who just smokes pot all the time and has never run. I want to see what their experience like. We hear from them every week I do too, as listener mail. Yeah. Okay. So the runner's high is probably pot. Yes, basically, physiological explanation of, but the weird thing is again, it's not like we've, we've not either. We don't know enough about it to say, this is exactly what you need to do or it is a lucid for some reason that we've never figured out, but it's not like you're going to get runner's high every time and some people never get runner's high. Some people get them infrequently. It's just kind of like this allusive dream that that runner's love to to work toward, but don't necessarily have retain, you know. I mean, marathoning is impressive, but the people who really like. Amaze me are the even know what you call it. There's a word for it. The ultra ultra racing, what's it called? Ultra Thon. 's really? Yes. Is that the name? Yeah. Oltra marathon ultra tone. And how long are those? All right. Do some of them are up to like one hundred fifty miles or longer, they'll they'll be like overnight. Like you've run for like twenty four straight hours. I've got one. I got a couple of for you. Yeah, look into this because it scares me. So Oltra ultra ultra ultramarathons I they probably deserve their own maybe like short stuff episode to tell you the truth do, but there's a guy named dean Carnell. He ran fifty marathons in fifty days in fifty states once what? Yeah, there's another guy named Scott juror keys ultra marathoner, but he wanted to show off. He said a record. He ran the. The Appalachian trail in forty six days, ran it brand the Appalachian trail in forty six days. Something that frequently takes people six months. If they're like trying to go at a steady clip, he ran in forty six days. Now I like that because I for some reason, like road racing just seems boring to me. But I have had friends and my old friend, James from New Jersey is a trail runner. That always seems kinda cool to me because I'm into the woods and nature and sure it's it's hard core stuff, but I've always thought kind of like mountain biking greater than striking. Yeah. Well, then there's another ultra on that. You would like. I can't remember the name of it, but it starts in death valley? Yeah, this one. And then it ends on a mountain top and you run it in about twenty four hours of seen man. Those people are. There's something. Psychological going on there too. Yeah. Well, that's another thing is like, you know, everybody's heard that great iron maiden song, the loneliness of long distance runner. Sure. That's real. That's a real thing to stave off boredom in your body. Just being like, dude, let's go get an apple fritter. What do you do it? That's that's like a real hard thing to deal with that you have to like stave off for hours on end and keep up a pace to to try to finish the marathon. Yeah, I'm on an apple fritter kick big time right now. Eating them. Yeah, and wanting to eat them when I'm not eating them. All right. So you've got your runner's high, which is the positive side of things. You have the other side of that which is called hitting the wall. Yeah. And that happens. I don't think it happens to everyone all the time, but generally in like the seventeen to twenty one mile point, your brain is says in your body or like, what are you doing? Yeah, you're not supposed to run this far and you hit a figurative wall where fatigue sets in such that you made. I mean, it depends on who you are. You may not finish. You may collapse in a heap and you're done right when you hit that wall and you're all of a sudden you're an ambulance, but for real. Yeah. Yeah. Seriously. I'm not. I'm not kidding around and it's a serious thing. But what what's happening there is your body is literally out of fuel. Done. That's exactly right. That's perfectly put because to run a marathon or to run any race, but especially marathon, you have to have a tremendous amount of stored energy in your body. Yeah, yeah. Remember when I said that like your your muscles use or your body uses glucose and oxygen to produce ATP, which is this energy molecule that your muscles use? Well, you get glucose from stores of glycogen which is basically just a a little bit of glucose tucked away here there, and you can build up like the Gleich glycogen your body by eating a lot of carbs, like the night before race or something hitting a wall is where you've not only used up the glycogen that you you have eaten, right? Your body also deposits is little fatty, fatty lipid deposits, and it started to use those emergency reserve stores. And if you can't finish, if you're being carted off. Off in an ambulance. You used up all the glycogen in your body. You don't have any energy stores any longer. That's that's what happens to some people from marathoning. Yeah, in part of the problem is those fatty acids those emergency reserves. They release very, very slowly. So if you're running a race, you just basically can't withdrawal from your energy Bank fast enough, right. The ATM sort of shuts down and you're, you're done for the day. And some people will, you know. You can, but you're, you're probably far more responsible. You like a gel Pak and energy pack will sugar pack basically, or a banana, or an energy bar, something like that because then you're keeping up the easily attainable available stores of glycogen. I just I don't understand how a somebody who is well trained in marathoning could hit the wall like that. It just seems like you would you would know your energy stores better than that. So I don't know if that's amateurs that hit the wall or or somebody that just didn't wasn't paying attention to their energy. I don't know, but it just seems weird to me that that somebody who knows what they're doing would have that happen to them. I'd like to hear about that too because I was just about surmise, but I don't even. I have no idea. All right. I want to hear about hitting the wall t. I mean, I'm sure. Sure. If you smoke pot every day, the wall is that. What is that like or play the wall by Pink Floyd. No, just keep that all to yourself. I'm sure a lot of times hitting the wall is maybe not enough experience, and you have to read jigger your training and like what you eat before and what you eat and drink during. But it probably also happens on any given day conditions might be such that or maybe your body doesn't react. The way usually count on it. You know, I guess I, I can't help though we have to bring up the episode of the office where they had the five k. and Michael Scott thought that stood for five thousand miles. And he carbo loaded right before the race by eating, like a giant styrofoam, takeout thing of afraid. Oh. Oh, man. So great, really was great. So if you think about a marathon runner, you probably think all right, if you're running twenty six point two miles, you are the peak of health fitness and you'll live forever. There's still something called genetics. Everybody that are still in play, no matter what you do in that can lead to death. Jim fix, very famously, very celebrated runner died at fifty two. He wrote the complete book of running and he died nineteen Eighty-four of arteriosclerosis while he was running. Right? I think so. Yeah. And you don't even have to be. I mean, fifty two still pretty young, but sure. In two thousand seven at twenty eight year old named Ryan, Shay died and he was he was competing at the Olympic marathon trials. He had an irregular heartbeat. What happens when you run a marathon or doing any kind of intensive physical training like this is your your heart size can actually increase because it. Needs more blood to pump, and that can lead to arrhythmia and heart failure. Right? You also can drink too much water jer and since you're sweating out salts and peeing out salts because you do have to p, you can actually affect the electrolyte balance in your body in electrolytes are needed for electrical transmissions for your muscles, which you think, okay. Well, you can't run your hearts of muscle to so we can't beat right if it doesn't have the right, electrical or electrolytes. So there's something called called. Hypo. Nutri Mya. Yeah, which is basically water talk society and it can lead to sudden cardiac arrest because your heart just stops getting the right electrical impulses DP during the marathon. Yeah, I didn't see what you do when you have to p during a marathon. I believe there's like porta-pottys like everywhere. I'm sure right along the route, but from what I understand, those are more for the diarrhea. Can we talk about diarrhea? I think it's time I've seen some and we have all seen very famous images on on sports television of people that have lost their control of their bowels during a an event like this, and they end up on TV up on TV. They're not exactly sure the single cause or if there is a single cause of runner's diarrhea, but they think it could be everything from decrease blood flow to the intestines to changes in your hormones, jiggling to just good old-fashioned jailing of your organs. Yeah, but it is the thing it's called Brunner's diarrhea. Stress anxiety. Yup, that could that could contribute for sure. Yeah, a kid. It could also be like if you eat something weird that you're not used to eating, that could be a problem, eating high fiber foods sugar alcohols can make you poopie of normally, but if you're running around, that can be a big problem too. Yes. So they, I mean they recommend to for the day or two before you run a marathon, like void those high fiber things. Don't like drink a bunch of caffeine. The day of the race may be maybe a few three to six hours before don't eat it. All right. But again, you don't wanna hit the wall, so you need to, you need to juggle all this. You need to juggle your chronic runner's diarrhea with the your glycogen stores that you need to keep up with, but don't juggle your organs, but you can't help it when you run a man. I remember Peter sago wrote, you know, Peter sago from wait, wait, don't tell me. He's like a big time runner. He has a column in runner's world, and one of them was just about runner's diarrhea and how everybody gets it. So weird. Should we finish up with Roe deer? Rosie, Ruiz one more thing before we finish up with her, we have to give a huge shout out to l. you'd Kip Jogi who this this month at the Berlin marathon set a new world record of two two hours one minute and thirty nine seconds. He beat these six year old record by a minute in eighteen seconds, six year old. Ran it in that. It's being compared to will wilt chamberlain's hundred point game that big and the way that it really kinda sunk in for me was I meant that he ran a four minute thirty second mile. That's for twenty six straight mile founding. Yup. And they're, they're like, this guy's gonna break the two hour Mark. That's what he's been training for Nike basically said, hey, man, we wanna basically throw everything. We have sports medicine wise at your training to see if we can get you down to two hours because he's like probably the greatest marathoners ever lived and he said, all right, let's do it. So they've been working on it and everyone's expecting him to to break two hours in his career for sure. Well, you know, who's not the best marathoner in history. I do Rosie Ruiz she's one of the worst actually from what I understand. Yes. She is a woman who very famously on April twenty first nineteen eighty at the age of twenty six. Got on the subway with the Boston marathon runners number exited the subway and entered the race with about a half a mile ago. I saw a mile give give her a mile. Man. I saw half mile. So let's say not far, we'll say three quarters of them and what was briefly crowns. The winner, the the female winner of the Boston marathon, and she still maintains to this day that she ran that race despite Italy, mountains of evidence, although no physical evidence mountains of anecdotal evidence from people that were saying like, she was on the subway with me, and we walked off the subway together and I saw her jump back in the race and other people saying she wasn't the stop or this stop or this stop like we never saw her and she cheated and supposedly they. Looked into her New York City marathon finish, and found that there were people who said that she was on the subway with them for that one too. She story both times I think was that she said that she was injured and just wanted to go see the finish. And then when she got near the finish line was like, I'm an injured runner. People helped her back onto the the thing. And the article I read from this one guy can't remember his name, but he was some sort of fischel his feeling is that she, she didn't mean to win. Like that was an accident. I see. And that she just wanted to cheat the race and finish, and then all of a sudden they were like you one. And she was like, what. Interesting. She's like, great. Yes, weird story. It is. Apparently she was busted stealing sixty grand from realty company. She worked for. I think couple years later couple years later, and then the year after that she was blasted for selling two keys a cocaine to an undercover detective. Yeah, it's the last kind of person you on a cell to keys cocaine to? Yeah, for real. So she had a colorful life and I guess still does she still around? Yeah, I think she's in her sixties. They've made it much harder to cheat nowadays are check point computer, checkpoints. They're video check points that are hidden and you don't know where they are, right? All of this is in an effort to, and I think one of those cameras in fact is what eventually captured the the Boston bombing. If I'm not saying, oh, is that right? I think so. Totally make sense? Well, yeah. So that one I wanted to point out to member how we said the Boston marathons run every year since I think AT ninety seven including the year after the bombing too. So like I, I remember in two thousand fourteen when they had it again the year after the bombing, there were like, you know, this is a big deal. I didn't understand quite why would be. I thought it was strictly because they were coming back from the bombing. They're also saying like, we're not about the miss a year because of those terrorists jerks bothers strong. We're going to keep a. Yeah, for sure. I wanna see that movie, uh. Jake Jilin home. Which one? It's the one that he plays. The guy who very, very cheese, gruesome famous picture. He lost his legs in the bombing and they made a movie about his life. Oh, I thought it was like Mark. Wahlberg was in that movie is another one that. I think he was. I mean, it's Mark Mark, so he was the guy that saved the day. I think he was one of the I got the cops chasing him down or special investigator or something I don't. I think you're probably right. I don't think we need to even see that movie to know this exactly what it is marquee Marco. Sure, man. How do you not has a hamburger place? Does he? Yeah, wall burgers. Oh, yeah. That's right. So you got anything more on Walberg. All right. Neither do i. which means if you want more about marathons, go find out about how to train for marathon and get out there and do it. If this floats your boat, it's it's that it's time for listener meal. Yeah, actually, no listener mail today. What we're gonna do, something we almost never do. And that is plug. Our stuff and ask for your support. People are always right end saying, what can we do? It's a free show. 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Paul Allen

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#92Noon Friday Feast!

"Dan! As far back as I can remember I, always wanted to be a gangster. Be A and charge. Nine to noon. A. Ball, pieces Wouldn't have fun. Chilly Begin. Nash Tag. A. Whole Hour. A Jar. Music. Football Bees? was. Down Memory Lane we go. And Char- ch-. please. Boys. Let's do it on a product football feast into Bothers Day Hello Paul. Allen with my buddy Paul charge gm the Friday. Football feast goes back to full strength to pen a while, hasn't it? Copyright Golden Gophers hockey fans like Ryan Cardinal Fire Helmet Guy Mouse. drunk hockey guide always wear. That's debatable Charkhi. I think it I think you and I've done a show together one time in the last five or six. We all Lee Catherine back together again. full-strength always were. That's debatable. Mad Producers over there, a heartfelt, genuine and sincere happy father's Day weekend to my boys fall charge in and Eric question early. Happy Father's Day do likewise yeah. Thank you so much and and everybody out there. You know like we said yesterday. You don't get an opportunity to listen to the feast today. It's father's Day weekend, so. For the DADS and for the MOMS who are single MOMS and their DADS happy father's Day to all of you and you know to. March through now. Has Been Mentally difficult on many so nine to noon salutes the dads who have pushed through into the Single Moms who act as dad bless all of you in a very happy father's Day. Would you agree with all that that absolute? It's been mentally arduous for many from mid March to where we are now almost everybody, right and good morning. Good morning the nordahl learn a lot about people during the purge with with outside of Father's day and things that like really really really matter in the real world this do. Do you find yourself missing pro sports like anything about it, we we'd we'd be in the thick of baseball and the NHL and NBA playoffs now. Do you find yourself messing the diversion for some the distraction factor for some? It's everything season ticket holders at target field stuff like that. Do you find yourself missing that? Father's Day weekend mid June in good morning. Although I at. Originally I didn't miss it at all Paul in April into early May when it would have been the end of a long hockey season the end of a long basketball season. Didn't really miss it and I enjoyed. Not Enjoy not having any sense of obligation to watch any sports. And I enjoyed focusing on my family and house projects, and highly my back splash and painting and running electric, and all these things I've been doing around the house. Now, it's different now. It's different. I missed. The Kentucky Derby I missed. Having playoff, hockey and playoff basketball I mean those are really meaningful games that I care about. I have a myspace ball yet, but this is about the time when basketball hockey would have been wrapping up and here comes baseball. If the twins are in it, I become I become a baseball fan at that point so now. Yeah, now now I'm starting to miss it and I'm ready I'm ready to get our our sporting lights back on I have a para mutual puzzling for for the boys. Saturday? The Belmont, stakes is being run. Yeah. I did not know that until you texted. Do you know it you look at ESPN? Dot, com or whatever DOT COM for nine to noon multiple times a day. Did you know the Belmont stakes takes place tomorrow? I did but part of the reason I know that it's not up on me and I. I got a couple of tax from super nine to noon. Faithfuls at said. Is Paul going to talk about the Belmont this week? On opportunity to make money? Yeah, that's the only reason that I. it snuck up on me. I mean as soon as the Derby was canceled, preakness delayed. The Derby wasn't can't yeah postponed. September. That's amendment. Hats and Kentucky Derby and September man. Is it still a triple crown eligible series at work, or if they said because because we're moving one of the key events around that, it doesn't count. There's only thing it's a triple asterisk. If somebody sweeps it seriously the Belmont stakes, which is usually a mile and a half, and it's the last of three and ain't no three year olds running a mile. The majority of not all the horses in this race will. They won't run a mile and a half in. Bright career. This is now. I'll I'll look this up I'm pretty sure it's accurate. The Belmont stakes is a mile and one eighth, which is nine furlongs so the distance eight. That's a fantastic question. I'm not even going to say triple asterisk, because if the Belmont I the Derby's in September, the Belmont distance changed to a mile and an eighth. I'm like ninety six point seven percent sure this year for this year. Okay, so if somebody sweeps it. Wow, you've uncovered an incredibly controversial horse racing talker if that will emerge after like say, horses named Matt Producer One, and he wins the Belmont then he comes back I would assume the preakness is in the middle. It is, and then you've got the Derby in September and mad producer ones looking to sweep the triple crown. I'm like in August. No, he's not. I mean you the shouldn't count. AAC It can't I mean the triple crown whether you like horse, racing or not? And when there were fewer options than there are today, it was dubbed the sport of Kings racetracks at fifty to seventy thousand people at them on given weekends now. The triple crown races still draw incredibly well like the Derby. They were gathering, they would have one hundred and forty, some odd thousand people, but it goes. This is the true test of greatness from spectacular bid to affirm to secretary at all the way back to of the horses who want many decades ago. Yes, winning at a mile and a quarter coming back two weeks later and cutting back to a speed, Babe, rain, mile and three sixteenths, and then three weeks later stretching that. That Ma Gal to a mile and a half. That's part the challenge. Isn't it up there? And if you change that sequencing, it doesn't feel like the same thing. While the sequencing of a to starts off with a 20-horse field, typically at Churchill where Belmont is usually weeded down to let's say eight to ten horses at the Max Change and and so I don't know what the field looks like, and maybe you can. Can get into it now that I just found out that the racist tomorrow. Yeah, this is I I I. Mean I'm not GonNa blame everything on the purge. You learn a lot about people during the purge, I knew the Belmont was this weekend I. Had Jeff Midday at Canterbury last night? With all three races, we ran before we canceled due to lightning. I had him print. All of the Saturday Belmont past performances, I've! I've handicapped half the card. I'll go to Canterbury and mash tomorrow you can. People can go to Canterbury by the way and wager on Belmont. Park the Belmont. Stakes via simulcasting all right opens at eleven thirty in the morning card casinos open live racing resumes on Tuesday la. This is not one of the I. Don't have to be one of the two fifty to get in right. I can just go place my wager. very good question. You know there's a website called Canterbury Park Dot Com and I'm sure all of the details. I should have the details. I don't I if you want the details on. The pick three. The began in race. Three was a complete refund because of lightning or why the pinball paid on three or four winners or the pick six was a ramp on I'm your. You're my God if you WanNa get into fear factor. Excuse me. If you want to get into amount of people at a place that safely legitimately can hold. Let's say fifteen thousand. Twenty but I mean we at Canterbury, Park, the played opponent paradise. We can socially distanced spread out man. I got to believe five seven thousand. This is the. Five hundred. To fifty is, they're applying it unilaterally thing. It's one thing if we're talking about. Say First Avenue which holds maybe two thousand people, maybe voice. Be The same for Canterbury Park that holds fifteen thousand. It should be by a percentage. Canterbury Park should be able to and I think all of all big. Then you should be able to operate it. Let you went percent. Yeah, passivity, well or thirty percent capacity I don't. Know, how we got to this or like what led to it or anything, but like we you we, we will have to fifty on level one and I believe we can have two fifty on level two, and then I believe we can have X. amount on level three. That would make sense separation, so it's like I mean I think we. We were about to throw a party two nights ago. We have four hundred people. There has no I was going to go out onto the parking lot and just like race from the parking lot those sitting there canterbury dot. COM I. Wouldn't. Say Well Happen. How come I can't see the horses, so whatever I mean, we're doing the best we can hear the the out state attention that we're getting is the biggest most immensly and greatest in the history of this racetrack or the hardcore. Yeah, yeah, hardcourts! It's like when you know. Bonner Park and grand island Nebraska. They started in February nor does purge hidden mid March, so honor slowed down for a minute, then came back like two weeks later racing. Monday through Thursday schedule they now this now Canterbury Park with all due respect to what brought me to Minnesota and an old school school place I genuinely love and not call races there. This'll be your twenty six. You know it's Belmont Park and Anita. Anita Churchill downs, Gulfstream some of the some of the big daddy's Wayne up there. Yeah, but we're down at that next level while father is a level or two below us with purse money and you know just bets taken out of state stuff like that so fodder park and Grand Island Nebraska on this little bowl bowl ring like we have a Mile Oval. There's this five eights so like sprints go around twice. a very early in the purge I'd say late March early April when it's bom shutdown quarantine people are still not exactly knowing what's happening and what to do, so people would would go online and Bet Farner, and there was a Monday. They took four point five million dollars. Cash. And I'm not kidding. You and I'm GonNa Miss I'm GonNa miss this by weeks. Whatever and I don't care, but you'll get the perspective when it comes to those not in Nebraska, not at the track wagering on Fonterra Park I mean I hadn't made a wager on a fodder park race since I was the fill in announcer there in one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety seven. A couple of years coming from the bay area to here I would stop there by for five weeks. Fill in for a cat named. Chris CA-. who had to get down to Oklahoma City to call the Remington Park me, and so like I. Don't ponder not on my bedding radar while when there's nothing on anybody's radar and you have the freaking Hubble telescope, and you can't find anything on your radar fodder, all of a sudden man from heaven so like I'm even thinking about it. Yeah, it was so big. They wouldn't handle four point five million dollars in out state bats. Weeks months. Yeah, I don't know. It was so big. The New York Times wrote a story about it, and like interviewed a writer named Jayco lease. EAC, who may be Minnesotan who was a rider there? So that's just again. You learn a lot about people in the purge. A lot of things changed everything. You're a great arc Saban mind exurban in Omaha, absolutely great arcs, Arben Mind if you're a sharp in Florida in your your Gulfstream, and even fodder and all that. For years, they're like Oh as Canterbury. That's the place with the face painting. And then they just kinda move on, but now. They're like. Wait a minute. You guys have great races up there and I'm stuck on my couch mask terrorism and All of that so now everybody's locked well. Everybody everybody is a big word with things opening and the weather getting better. Yeah, and some are starting to hit. That's a good point so like we crack open and I mean we. We might have had fifty fans our first date June, ten. You know and we're watching these wagers role in from around the country and this pools, two, hundred, seventy, five, thousand, and the first pick five for a fifty cent wager was one hundred and twenty, five grand, and we had one like one fifty five over the last few days. and. The the the wide ranging part of that and you're gonNA pre appreciate as because you're an entrepreneur is yes. People are coming in now. You need to keep them There are a lot of them are seeing and hearing our presentation for the first time, and so now you gotta keep them okay. From the entrepreneurial standpoint of unfairness and wagering act every dollar that comes in bet out of state for us is like two and a half cents on the dollar. What do you mean on average? That's it. For outstay why now that's! Don't ask me. What I look like Bill Shoemaker on okay. You have worked there for twenty plus years. Outlook Defeat Pink Junior. These prided himself on. Track. And small talk now on track. Because you're putting. You're putting out a product with things to do for kids and. Live there with a lot of people, a lot of fun and games like no place else. That's like an eighteen nineteen percent dollar on average something like that, and so we're just learning so much man. You just learn so much about so much during the purge. Where you know we, we may average sixty five sixty eight hundred bands a day, which we, we are one of the, if not the only tracks in the country. Where our on track attendance climbs every year. MINNESOTA LOVES CANTERBURY AS AN ENTERTAINMENT FACILITY ASS. Let's bring Audrey and go into the paddock with local Paul and get close to lower ses in picture with Dean Butler and let's not forget the Wiener dog races and let's bring Avon. Stella for the Massive Hound races. Get in the paddock at the picture with Ryan Eckel Berry Jared Love Barry. Come into the booth here. The names they melt in their hands. They wipe them on my windows. Come to my house couples, my hot job and it's a complete disaster, but it's a disaster of love so with all of that. It's there are tens of thousands of people who will come to our racetrack, and they'll come with forty dollars in the spread out a blanket X. amount of dollars on food, and they're gonNA. Make their show bets than they're going to go home. We're finding the fifty to four hundred coming now. They're not spreading out blankets. And they're not out of the wiener. No, no, they're not. They're four eighty five and you know it's like we had to pick five pay fifty six grand last. The Mal- got that big APP was that big two tickets fifty six grand somebody somewhere and one person who was betting in the parking lot, because for fifty six from the high slot up. That's an unbelievable. So many roundabout weird stories now I'm in the parking lot policing about. Yeah, do have runners from pizza and Pasta. Because that's absolutely critical to the whole thing, which is the pizza and Pasta I need I need a parking lot runner. Look like Steve Coffin. I have no idea. What? I look like Teddy Prefontaine we can we get on fine Steve Prefontaine and get him Steve, prefontaine he was, he was a nineteen like seventies or eighties. Distance runner. Okay, marathon distance riots is the one that cut in the race late and on a way that was rosie, Ruiz, stat was Rosie Ruiz. We invite. Let's give what a good bit that would be you. Rosie Ruiz's pizza runner cannabis. When you were running at Eden Prairie High School as an elite cross country star. Did you ever model? You're running style after Sebastian Coe Tabasco was the greatest miler in the world. You I longer distances. Yeah he was when in my running days he was a big deal now he where he really was the only thing on northern I run from his are past. That is true, and we respect that, and we're open about it I nine nineteen in Love Covenant Good Morning Sorry Chad with the radio program today expect Chad Greenway at ten o'clock courtesy of Grey Duck, a terry locale former Minnesota Vikings wide receiver. Nine Neuner at eleven twenty in closed it. It was a charge idea we'll get belong. Play on that next segment plus mixim other things including over the last couple of days northern I've slow roll the. Impending Scenario, pending contracts that are still kind of hanging in the limbaugh. Mike Zimmer and Rick Spielman, it just it's working on my mind. I think more than most. it's not it's not like high key, but like in July or August when they start gathering getting ready to hopefully win thirteen games. Everybody's going to be talking about it. We're going to be chatted about a little bit today. Yeah. Paul Charge Paul Allen. Produces Bryant heating and cooling studios. We are feasting on a Friday happy father's Day weekend where it applies from nine to noon Kfi. into the fan. Crystal Raindrops. Fall and the dude. When? Shannon. To make the rain. Some time in charge decade strong just the two of us. beastie on Friday. God rest the saw. The LAKEVILLE withers. And Ian Home One of my favorite actors of all time. Hey, and chart. WHO's the home? You've seen home in many things. You just don't know it, but most famously Shaving Ryan's privates. I hope that, isn't it? Man? It might be for you, but I hope that, isn't it? Did you ever see the movie alien? Yes, the original Alia without Corsi. Sigourney weaver. particularly. The first artificial or synthetic human in that movie that break at nine twenty one. The program directors here. Finding with a searchlight for three months miss the break by six minutes. He's here. Shaky good morning after. It was nice to quietly close the door since my. Maleski on, but at least when we ask him ill listen and not do it again, but anyway Ian home was the in alien best horror movie ever my opinion. Alien, the original Alien! What about saw? Not My nature, really my flavor. You know like you got to solve your own leg. That kind of stuff dot? Not really my thing. In hold played the robot that was protecting the aliens. You didn't know it at the time. Wow didn't even always a robot. At the time, Antilles started spilling milky stuff all over the place. When and then then you found out, but yeah, he was He was a great actor. He played Bilbo Baggins and Lord of the rings in home was a fantastic actor seen many many times didn't necessarily know you're seeing in home and never became sort of publicly conscious, not in the public consciousness, but he was, he was great. Yeah, it when you say. Your favorite horror movie right with alien I watched it and I liked it. Would you classify it as a horror movie I? Would I mean because he's got a little of course got some not like. Science Fiction For, sure you don't heavily science fiction ride, so I I think horror. Banking Halloween Jason Myers either out of thirteen other face. The the venkat without Freddie Krueger up. Michael Myers. Yes, Michael Myers, but like saw and and the slasher. You're thinking slasher film, but that's. Leading to me! Those are like slasher. Or felt is Predator a horror I think it's more of just kind of a horror thriller. Action Thriller. Else. Do you Do you recall I'm five four years of age? No, you're around the same age man I think it was made in the sixties I think I saw it in the seventies it was black and white. It starred A man named Charlton Heston. You're familiar. With Charleston Planet of the Apes Donaldson notably Repor Sherm. called Mega Man. Oh, I've heard of it. I never thought Omega Man I mean it's so super old school. School and how does it hold up now? And the goals? And the demons wearing wearing the black hoods, and they had the the the is that we're florescent. And he and and a lady were trapped in a mansion, and the the goals in the Goblins were closing in on them on Charlton Heston, I mean. It's like Tom Brady Derek jeter tiger woods tiger woods back in the heyday when he couldn't lose. Yeah, far of the Captain Cool Covenant. Open that thing to actors, and then you get back to like down memory lane. We go just just re recall. When in the seventies when we were approaching teenage years or in teenage years, and like Burt Reynolds was on was in smokey smokey, the by I watch smokey and the bandit in this like five Burt Reynolds Steve McQueen Charlton Heston. Robert Redford Paul Newman Yeah Vat was captain cool. Covenant Back Back when we were in the teens. And you know that goes. into the eighties, absolutely there were they were absolutely right now. Are you familiar with an actor named Will Smith Yeah. Did you know that his. Movie I am legend is based on the Omega Man Yeah. I love that movie. It's IT I had no idea who were related to each other Omega. Man is is a survivor of a global pandemic. Yes, it's perfect for now. Back and watch, and that was. Oh, man, I've I've seen. I am legend four times heavier La Yeah. Because I'm Zombie SNOB. Now I'm the one who at the rare times I will watch TV, or I will watch Netflix's because that's just been one of the tentacles of the shutdown quarantine pandemic bird for me, basically been no devi, after just basically I mean probably watch the grand total out of the last dance with the Michael Jordan Bet twenty hours of TV and three and a half. Half months It's the the music channel on the comcast provides one that I like is always on the screen and so on, but there will be times where I will search for Zombie movies that I have not seen now. How much do you respect the rotten tomatoes? Bit I not I. Don't use it a lot. Because it's just it's either thumbs up, thumbs down. Yeah, there's a percentage fire. Something's ninety seven percent thumbs up. Yeah, well. Yeah, you know it's probably quite good. Okay being a Zombie SNOB there. Are you in anyway into Zombie? Tight movies I. Don't go out of my way to find them and because in the video game world Paul. Yet obviously have been done so many times. Lord burned out on. Think you would like Zombie. Zombie magazines series like magazines What do they call cartoon magazines? What do they call hammocks comics? Thank you I think I read. I read about one hundred issues of the walking dead bomb. That's exactly it and I liked the walking dead, but then a change even up del up. Yeah, see there couple of philosophical things here one. I don't necessarily like when the zombies are fast. Okay, I just for some reason, feel it over. It supersedes the death. The is opening you rise. You've got part of your left foot eaten off by another Zombie, and now all of a sudden. You're doing the forty four, too, so you want the old school zombies, the Bray Lumbering Breyer. Charge at thing well there these to kill well. Of course they are right, and that's what they do. You remember the first twenty eight days later Oh that was phenomenal. When does zombies are track stars like? Oh my God it was in London right. Yes, yeah, it accurate say of my favorites. It's so good and and they're There was one that Quentin Tarantino no was in. It was a Mexican bar where the doors got closed, and then they they became zombies. It was really good. A lot lot of big stars to I can't remember the name but with that said in my quest to to. For my palate for something new with the Zombie Genre the Zomba. Is a few years ago. I stumbled across a Korean film. That has subtitle man and films can be brutal. Okay? This was called train either to or from Bussan. Okay trained to Bussan right now. Okay, now Nordahl is not. He's not Zombie Guy Okay, but you know he nuoro has an open mind so I said the two years ago. Man You know when sinkhole speculating, it's like weird man like when everybody has to watch netflixing TV and there's nothing else to do. I refuse to do it when nobody's like living life normally and I'm the Avidan doors men. That's wherein winters on Saturdays I lay on. On the couch and watch six to eight episodes of sons of anarchy or trained Bussan while I think trying to Bussan is critically acclaimed, and the second one is coming out soon. zombies are unbelievably fast. They're on a train and it's a family and It's phenomenal. It's almost the whole movie takes place on the train. Yeah, yeah, you you to read up on it and then be like. I'm out because it subtitles a Korean Korean. Okay, it's no. It's Amazon be snob okay. I've watched I've watched more than one hundred Zombie movies in my life all the way back to dawn of the dead. And White and trained to Bussan. I believe as critically acclaimed A second one is coming out sometime very soon and the way it's tied together from the Workaholic Dad and I, believe his daughter, and then where it goes from there, and then now the allegiance factor on the train. Okay, are you in, or are you out? There's no in between and the way some things flip and how they have to get out of it spectacular. Why don't they stop the train? So bomb on a train filled with Zambia wanted just. Just I'm the I'm the conductor what I live I? Stop the train what I look like Thomas. The train I got no idea now. You are correct that it was critically acclaimed it. I can't even tell you how many things it was nominated for an Asia but I least I'm looking at a list of at least like thirty film nominations, and won many of them, and nor now correct that the sequel is coming August twenty twenty. It has called Peninsula. Okay, remember when I put you because you're open, minded bananas! Zombie guy on trained to Bussan Yeah Training Bussan was awesome. Okay. I can't remember without for those who may want to watch it over the weekend. You don't have to be a slasher Zombie Guide to appreciate this to appreciate the film. Wouldn't you agree with that? Well I mean it's the central. It's the central. Part of the story but ultimately I mean him trying to protect his daughter the whole time, and all of that and. That's the topic storyline amidst the but I can't remember exactly how the end went in that tunnel. But? You shouldn't say it wasn't talking about people. Are GonNa Watch it was heart wrenching? Wasn't it? Well, he. I think something that the end while he ends up having to spoiler. Those were waiting for this five year old freaking movie to finally. Sit Down and watch it. he sacrifices himself. That's what it was on the backside of the train I believe and his daughter rides off on the train with with some Gal. Kinda worked with doesn't mean that doesn't mean he's not in the sequel right he could be Zombie hundred percent could be in the sequel has to be, and then she has to make a big spot decision. Yeah, but the Filial Dad or to let dad wrong, but it was great memory now as casual. Zombie Movie Guy, when just peninsula when when August twenty twenty okay bliss. Every movie that was supposed to come in summer twenty, twenty, probably fair game to end up, not coming out. You never know as Casual Zombie Movie Guy, I think if I gotTA. Watch any Zombie movie. Shaun of the dead. Love it! It's so funny. Yes. And it's legitimate. It's a legitimate Zombie. And it's so sad. Befalls in love with the the human girl now because there, there was one of those that that I liked a lot, and I can't remember the name that was on one of those sneaky websites. I'm talking about yeah. ZITHROMAX! Yes zipper masks in the perjure highly underrated. You know why because when masks are in vogue. there when it comes to drinking or eating it obviously is difficult unless you have a zipper mask. because. This last Straw d forty on that thing zipper to go up and down nicely. You still have the mask and you're able to be well nourished. Yeah, you gotTa keep the Zipper. Agree Nine, thirty, eight nine to noon. Chad greenway ten PA and sharp. Speaking to making my dreams, you can have your custom branded Kfi facemask. It is available right now. GO TO KABC. Dot Com enter the keyword mask. Can order a KFI AM brandon face. Give to the website. Daryl Hall just did a an episode with my favorite Bourbon podcast. Yeah, no I didn't know it was a whiskey Gakkai watched. It was a it was zoom bid, and that that led me down the road of watching other Daryl Hall related. Sit Down bits that I hadn't seen including one that triggered a talk earlier earlier in the week nine to noon. Noon, Wear Daryl Hall. I found an old school interview with them. by something called Salon on Mars Salon Dot, com, or whatever maybe that's why I founded and the gravy train to where it was within the last ten years, and and I think it's when they went into the rock and Roll Hall of Fame and then he paraphrasing was basically like you know. The term blue eyed soul you. That's been surround. We have been surrounded by that term. All of our career blue eyed all blue eyed soul. Well, he devolved. How much all of his life he's hated it and he thinks it's racist and here's why because you're saying in it if you're saying that what I do is blue, eyed soul. Then you're. You're characterizing. The blue is is a white person, and you're saying that I'm either over achieving exception Yup because yeah, because I appeal to black crowds. Yeah, you're saying the blue eyed soul term essence means. I'm doing something that's out of my element. In essence you know for the black crowd. It's a race. It's a racist term. Yeah, idea. The two was cultural appropriation. Thank you in some ways as if he was stealing the creation of quote, unquote black music, making it wider or something to that effect, mad producers playing bass today with the references. That's exactly what it was. went down the road of cultural appropriation which was the a topic for why he's like blue eyed soul is is a it's a racist term and don't ever say it to me because guess. He didn't say this but Daryl. Hall is the only white backup singer in the history of the temptations. Okay, he started. I had no idea he was raised from from a vocal standpoint in Philadelphia by nothing but blacks, Paul Williams Eddie Kendricks David Ruffin with the temptations than its teddy pendergrast with our own moment, and the blue notes, Harold Melvin Gerald Levert, the the box for the OJ's yeah, that was his life. And when you live in that and you grow up in that, you don't you don't look at it like black and white. You don't look at it like blue, eyed soul or like appropriation. Appropriation yet back. It's appreciation it. Thank you. It's cultural appreciation, so he got loud in this interview with like F. You I mean I. Think the way I sing and and you know I do it the way I do it. Don't say it's blue, eyed soul, because it's a white person sounding like or appealing to black audiences. This is how I was raised. This is what I do and I don't like the term blue eyed soul I think he's right about that is did EMINEM. Culturally, appropriate. Hip Hop rap now I. Don't think so. I mean you don't know you like what you like. This is you know your you're. It's not you know you. You like what you like and I think you. You try to learn from embraced parts of other cultures that you love. We have a we have A. Covenant Cleanup provided by. Currently available frequently use face on the fiery frequently on this show might be golden them Dr Hills hoops, Guru longtime listener to nine to noon ten to one just for Fun da in school, Bay Matt Warner Corrects Me and reminds me the movie where I, just off the cuff referenced, took place at a Mexican bar with a lot of big actors, and then we moved onto train to Busan from still dawn. Thank you George Clooney was one of the big actors. Quentin Tarantino was in a two and oh. Yeah, and he directed annual Tree Hill and produced it so that it's a vampire movie. Not Zombie Movie Soma Hayek. Vampire movie. You are a Zombie movie. AFICIONADO and you've got confused between his vampire. It's because of my deeply rooted longstanding fascination with NAS for auto. Kind. Know Rv Tau with the with the not the minivan, the the RV I was getting by Avid I didn't hear that part, but. Still Don's off. It's phenomenal no I I. I love Vampire Movies more than I've ever loved Zombie movies, but I'd become a Zombie snob. Since walking dead came out so then I've watched a million of those but no dracula. It can be argued. Obviously outside of the death. The Dracula. Movies are more romantic movie for sure, and they are really really. Yeah, so this is obviously not obvious. Then they are jumped out from behind TRAE, put a couple of fangs, and nor does neck. Yeah, that was always supposed to be. The appeal of the of Dracula in particular is that he was incredibly alluring. Yeah, and there have been a number of movies that have really done a good job of showing that gough. And there was the there was a David Bowie movie from from the Eighties Vampire movie from the eighties. Then did it really well. The current show. Are you watching what we do in the shadows? Mount NFL never heard of it. It's a vampire comedy. It is awesome. Wow, hilarious! Really really go. We do in the shadow we do in the shadows is a vampire comedy. Yeah, it's very good. The, the one where Keanu Reeves was Jonathan Harker. This is what this is. The BRAM STROKES SO Cours Dracula and Gary Francis Ford. Yes, hope lot and nineteen ninety-two the greatest. Dracula Vampire movie ever made Gary Oldman with Wynona Ryder as will. Amina Murray Yeah. it. Yeah, it's. It might be, it's one. It's one of my favorite movies. Time by the hunger is the name of the David Bowie vampire film. You're in the mid eighties. Let see the Francis Ford Coppola piece off. Bram Stoker with Gary Oldman as Dracula. It's. Will mean a Murray Winona Ryder took. Dracula back to a time when he was fighting for. Transylvania and his castle and everything, and and he he had a love interest, and it was the old school version of will mean a Murray was in this movie, but it was the same person. Okay, so therefore he's in love with her and justice and the senses. We have a problem here Anthony. Holly by the way is into, didn't remember that and we have a problem here. The Sky has fangs. They haven't remodelled the castle in nine Hundred Years I. Don't feel good with all these coffins and bats. So then he goes rogue on it with Anthony Hopkins and another cat, and they go, because because Oldman talk. Will Amina Murray from Carfax Abbey Water back to the castle as they love interest right okay. He wasn't there to kill her I. Love You. I've loved you forever and there are some great lines. Mark Cross Oceans of time to find you, you know, wear finely. Horizon Mesmerized to like Whoa I remember. This I've seen this I know this while then all of a sudden. Harker and Hopkins come in and they cut his head off. And it sucks, but he's a great character, though because I think when it's done right I mean you, you almost find yourself empathizing with the plight of his immortality right and his inability, ultimately in cases like this to capture that love and all, and but then also terrifying do drinks, people's blunt. Yeah, and so all of that encapsulated Yeah No Dracula's in elite horror character. Now what? What what? What happened to you last night? Did you get hair? The the intruder Larry Graham's hair. You finished it and like it's really good i. mean you're playing unbelievably today with the references and the take I'm just wondering. Monday to Thursday compared to today, okay. One one. What's different? What happens? I have I have gotten the I can. I can I can riff hair now that's not it's not. I can't wait to hear next week. is Greenway in-studio Opel Foam. WHAT'S UP He's GonNa be on the hotline today. You may or may not be some some babysitter related terrorism. That kept him at home to that. We will wish him happy. Father's Day discussed some football, and much more with a five to courtesy of Greg Duck one nine. Bird. Food. The movie. I was referencing earlier with the couple of teams, the following Bob Ones. On be partial Zombie. The girl is human is real. It's called warm bodies warm bodies going to win an academy award, but it ain't that no I. I look to see what it got nominated for some teenage romance. Award Snuck Back Yeah. But I, don't I. Don't think I wouldn't start my Zombie. Movie. Catalog we embody noted Nas for Ju and Zombie aficionado jet. GREENWAY joins nine to noon now I'm Chad on you first and foremost and the reason I. Say Shame on you number fifty two is you got the producer mostly? But all of us excited then you're gonNA. Come in the Studio Ryan. We were going to gather, and and yes, we were going to embrace weather without masks, because we love each other and the now now you're on the phone. What happened? Do you know how much Florida forward to my subtle sides being squeezed into hug, then just get my my grip around. NARDO and. Abby. I. Like you know Fridays Fridays the date. My wife works in the morning and she's always on Friday. Have a babysitter set up and then all of a little bit heads, terrorism and all sudden we are. And she's like Oh, but I'm working again this week. 'CAUSE gyms of opened up smaller Patty and oh perfect. I was about to go into. A NORTHERN! And here I am calling in, so they couldn't get here, so let's outlet. Let's clear one fallacy up burst. You and I. Mean This you being an athlete and an athlete for X. amount of decades now and before you became full fledged athlete. You were playing Pop Warner football. You've always played sports, so you've never had supple sites you. You have no idea what it's like to be part of the quarter ton covenant, which nor do, and I are part of now where combined we way more than a quarter ton and also with with with the simple sides. You've just never had them in your body fats like three and good morning. I appreciate that data I'll tell you this the biggest. The biggest factor in my life is not having a couple sides is my wife because I. Because she she at first, it was forcing me to right now. It's like it's just sort of what I've done. And I and I'll tell this to anybody like working out great. It's all a myth when it when it when it comes to that you guys all about what you're putting your body so I wash your clothes and. They'll supple. You'RE GONNA. Come someday but I. Feel Like it works. Great Fair to go to your house right now and I've got a sweet tooth. I WanNa have something sweet. Am I am I looking at like an apple? No! No, we are I. WE WE are kind of everything in moderation, type of folks right so meet dinners and lunches and and rapids. It's always you know what you know. We always try to cook much weekend can, but we enjoy ourselves honey Mackie's ice cream that. Favorite to so I always on lot of lot of strawberries, blueberries, oranges, bananas, and apples. And my wife famous for saying we'll just peanut butter on it. over the protein and my My twelve year old always wants to have like a Muffin or something ridiculous, which we rarely have in the house, so how God a Muffin, no muffin. Blueberry to deal. It we obviously, our kids are wannabe athletes. They work really hard. They love it and part of that and just being a healthy human. Is it teaching educating on what to eat to make your body more powerful and strong and efficient and smart, and the whole thing and. So we want to help them, but when does your body OCD leave I? Mean Wendy, you enjoy a warm muffin out of the oven I mean. Let's I don't know how you grew up on a farm. Okay and I certainly can't speak. What's your MOM's name? charge ruth. Okay, so we get salmon rose. I can't exactly speak for Al. polly grew up or Nordahl, but my mom when I lived a private hill apartments adjacent to Washington. DC and Oxen Hill Maryland, she she. She was a single mom and we're in a in a two bedroom, tiny place She would make blueberry muffins that you hand May, and Bossy, but see then got better related terrorism where you can have a little bit of that batter not too much, but that tastes really good. Then it comes out with fresh blueberries. It's spectacular you open it up a little bit in the middle while tot and slides and butter in there that's how can you not like that Chad? I love it. Don't don't get me wrong. I'm not saying I don't love these things, and I have these things probably more than I like to think, but the reality is I just try to be smart. Don't have to have to work. I'm not a big fan of like the the Grinder Cardio session, so I just prefer feedback. Acquired it. Yeah, talking, avoid it, but here's I mean for me. It was like with with mom. Jillian the farming, we dollar loan vegetables and our garden. We offer on meet with pygmy cows, and it was always the we'd be poppin. State is out of the garden and making them up that night. We ate really good nice, hearty meals, right farm, farmer Fed, but The fun part was all stuff we grew, but my mom has is famous for the bread, so cinnamon rolls to debris to dinner rolls I mean it was just stupid and every time we go home or she comes up. Mom's making Brad because we can't go without it. let me while being pigs, and and raising pigs and evening them specifically the pork because I know you know this and and I don't exactly know like I I'm sure I've had it. The pork bought okay poor. If you smoke pork butts, is that possible? Oh absolutely anything. Out of the best pieces is it because that like for Father's Day weekend in my neighborhood Cotton John? My neighbor is smoking pork butts. And like were so the Bacon, the side or the top or what? at the underbelly pretty sure with the Bacon I. You know I'm not. I'm not an expert. My Cut. Yeah, but I play my favorite farming. Is, the is the pork loin with the leanest part. Yeah, like that baby DOE, some sauce barbecue sauce on top and away we go that that is the do shore of grown up in south. Dakota. My uncles under yeah, the the pork producers board and he's cooking up. You know just the best kind of pork loin. There is well. It's also. I'm not going to say out of the pandemic purge. Things are opening, and you know it's. It's things have loosened. Its went when when grocery stores were like all all all the rave are all the rage because people were concerned about what they could or couldn't get. I've never looked at expiration dates more than I have in my life the last three months and speaking of the pork loin. You put that Mug in the refrigerator, and that thing lasts like we can have two weeks to an APP wakes I mean that was pork Manna from heaven early in the purge out. Certain things weeks later. You're scraping mold off of that thing now you're not because while this also again per the pandemic purge I now have research the difference between us. Buy and sell by so there. There is a major key there, too that a lot of times they don't. They don't say the distinction between used by. We have a big battle this inside the house all the time when he married. My wife is like well. I don't know that dates like three days from now. I'm not eating. It and I'm like that day is only three weeks. There's only three days ago under combat off. From right? Yeah, there's use buy sell if there's a salvo if there's a cell by. They all just got a date. If it's a used by I'm out if it if it's three days late if it's a cell by a man well, then you just smell it you just you just put your nose in their. Sniff that thing and if it's getting a neat. I definitely a guy who I cut off and still eat it so I'm cutting off mold on bread I'm I'm having cheese out whatever it takes to get that thing down. I'm fine with it I. Mean I've just I've just seen so many things in the farm. Just your valley gets a little stronger. I guess yeah, the so cotton, John He such a big green. Bay Packers Fan Chad, but he loves you. And in fact, he has a Chad greenway fifty to jersey in his house on. Yeah, we gotta get that sign for him. but big Green Bay packers fan so big. He has a Gilbert Brown gnome atop his driveway. March myrrha known right next to US hot TUB. So that. I love the fact that he's all in I love the fact that Pakistan. I'm just going to say that, but I do love that that the greenway fan so. I feel like I could get a piece of this. I usually get a couple helpings of this book, but he's about to smoke. Sample that even players that eating prairie flair down there and see what you guys got cooking. Yeah, it's going to be for Sunday. I'll smoke a pork and we can do pulled pork sandwiches you are in charge of homemade, Coleslaw and salad goal. So that's that's can be bad, so that's as the pork sandwiches piece I. Happy Father's Day weakened to about everything good. Yeah, thank you. You guys as well all three. You guys It's a it's a fun weekend. The grave bill to be somewhat celebrated and you know it'd be tone kids behind the boat. The kids are all doing great were crossing fingers and doing so many things to try to hope that schools going back in the fall. It's like our number, one concern and talking. By now. is if the schools aren't open here. Where are we going to go to get open? Schools But yeah, we're. We're doing great. I mean this weather has changed The tax? It's warm. It's great. The lake, the lake warm it beautiful right now. Anything non obvious for you with a father's Day and when I say non obvious, I mean like family dinner actually at a restaurant. I've been out and build support couple of restaurants here this past week. It's been so nice. I don't know I. Don't know what these these. I have so many girls in my house. His father's Day I have no idea what they're gonNA. Play Him. They're very secretive than that crew girls. I have so. We'll see what happens, so you're not one of those fathers that's wants basically wants father's Day from their kids. There are a lot of others like let me go golf. I just want to get out of the. House, that's my the best. Ya can give me kids that'd be away from you and let me go golfing or let me. Let me go to the track. Yeah, whatever that's! There are some people that that's that is their father's Day's to be away from the Kansas triggered a member. Yeah, that's not me. I'm a I'm a big big kid. The Kid Lover My house love this time around and love doing things with them love, get new adventures, and and sometimes it's just sticking around and rebounding and Ben back out or kicking the soccer ball. That's that's what I love to do the most so I'll say. Before this radio show is like when I retired from football. The best thing that football game you was now all the freedom to spend time with my kids, and raising my kids and spend time with my wife, and that's the stuff that I love the most. About Make Chad. It's been fourteen straight weeks of you and the kids inside together. Church we've not been inside. We've been outside running around. We're taking walks around the world. To have a boat, I mean things these things are taking an extended summer man with this weather. Are you kidding me? MINNESOTA? Let's go. Yeah, that's great. That's each each of your daughters. May Get. T shirts to give to you with each one saying. Number one daughter. Yeah. I hope so I hope I got the game. How many daughters you have! up to four now. Yeah, that'd be spectacular man if they did that. We're going to call you back in a minute, okay? Sounds Great Chad greenway grey dot vodka weekly. Hold on before you disband Terry, account former Minnesota Vikings route wide receiver. Yeah, he's on the radio show six five minutes from now. What's the long play with Terry? account? It was your idea a couple things many older viking fans will remember him from the Sammy White Ehre. The Tommy Kramer era. As a wide receiver for the Vikings Fascinating story he was, he was really good player got got pulled into Some drug abuse issues ended up leaving the leaving the league too early, but has most notably now he is, he's in a prominent role with the college football. Hall of fame, which is in downtown Atlanta faces. What is their? Olympic Park the big Olympic Park in Atlanta where the Olympics were exhaustion so anyway they looted a couple of maybe like three four five days ago, we could go. What are cocktail Stevenson and so I thought I'd check in. See what the status is of the College Football Hall of fame tenure. And Tenure Olympic parked playing fast and. We'll catch up with Terry lockout in here. Okay, what's happening with that? Yeah, and I have a non obvious surprise for nine to noon, and for Jerry right when he joins an hour more with five to around the quarry near you. For me not for profit. Monday through Friday get is nine to noon. The charge more from check ringway momentarily. That picture I sent you charge I. Mean we're. Talking about fathers, day and you're like you know. Some dads just want to get away from the house in golf and the track right. It triggered a memory that had not hit me until you said that. What? What is that picture that I texted you well. It's you hugging I. Think Derek but I can't I can't. I can't tell June six dairy and it looks like you're on track. June, sixteenth, two thousand nineteen last year. My eighteen year old son Derek. For the last half decade, his father's Day gift to me had banned Co. Colleen race at Canterbury Part and that was the embrace twenty nineteen, because he had done it before, and and you know it was. It was very heart warming, and just it's my father's Day gift for my son. well father's Day. Last year we had to give away or a dog race, or whatever we had nineteen thousand people there, so he had the names memorized, and we had gone over. A here's how we're GONNA. Do you jumping over here jumped? There talk as much as one this ranch while he got down to the winter circle and looked at the crowd and went whoa. This microphone right, and then he did it that hug that I'm gonNA. Put on twitter. Yeah, that you see is the result of exasperation and getting through it and doing it hard, and that does that. Yeah, I mean it's, but that was my father's Day with my son. He would co-. Call a horse race for me. That's awesome mile race. We would find a to turn race. And he put little lines in felt really good about him and stuff, and so that's a listen if that's. The purge A. It's great that you have you. Had you have traditions? Traditions are are fantastic. Second it's one thing to call a race from the safety of the press box stairs and It's another whole thing to do with when you can see nineteen thousand people looking at you. Yeah, that's in because he is a if I understand correctly. You're saying he didn't call it from the booth hauled it from winters. The winner circuit at the big screen holy cow. That's that would be paralyzing for many people a up. Chad greenway five to courtesy of great experts. Where where exactly are you right now? Nortel gotten year well during the break. I thought I'd be efficient. I got the kids on the boat and we are now cruising the lake with the DAW. Bottom the bottom free kids. My oldest is not it is not that she's with a friend and Mama's working so I said Hey. Let's Lake you allow, so you're saying if daughter and I she seventeen if we drive to your spot. And then you will take out on the boat sometime. At No question about it whenever you want. That sounds good. Congratulations on the Nice jail. Quick question for you. Do you think we hit? A time this summer the NFL. Do you think it hits a time this summer? Where there's a snag what I'm getting at is social, distancing at practice players contracting the virus, or does it flow perfectly for Roger and the empire. I think you're gonNA see these snakes hit where there's going to be positive tests, and I think we're at time now, and it is just an opinion again that you need to sort of figure out a way to push through these positive tests and state, of course, because reality is, people are gonNA. Get this and move forward, and and that's being sensitive to the fact that the people that are struggling with this is with his virus. but I think to handle snakes. I saw an interesting topic on red I. WanNa, ask you about It was about Mike Single Terry, who was a coach? With the Vikings and I believe you. You were there when he was coaching and I gotTA. Don't have any rights coaching he he was. Prior to the Vikings with the forty niners and one point, people thought that he had a trajectory head coach there, but they never gave him that job, and the ultimate forty niners ultimately fired him. He goes to the Vikings ends up. Being fired goes on. The rams gets fired takes job af any went to in six, and then the League folded, took a job at Texas at a Texas high school. The head coach of the Texas High School Team in one and twenty one. What as the head coach of the High School Team Yeah? He's obviously one of the greatest linebackers in the history of the game. Why was he not an effective coach? And I don't need no, you have to slander. But you're coach. You played with him. Win A. What didn't what just didn't work there. Mike Mike was a tricky guy right Chad. Michael Tricky Guy and obviously having played for a bunch of different coaches and different personalities that he was one. That was a tough match with and I think you. He had a hard time. understanding the way we saw the game because the game had changed so much when he played. And you know if you look back, and we pulled a ton of old bears defense because I wanted to see what it was all about that eighty five bears, so I pulled the film from the Viking Dark I. Wanted to watch, but see how how the defense worked so different than what we had the well we were playing. He was trying to teach us, so I tried to. As a leader that room at that time I tried to get across to him. What challenges we were having with what he was asking us to do? That makes sense and he had a really hard time kind of correlate in that and casino from our perspective now I think he was the most effective in our room. in our linebacker, the Vikings probably anyplace else. He coast because. We had an open dialogue and I never forget this one. The funniest things happened in my career He was all over us about this technique. He wanted to use right, and if all of us for weeks, just we couldn't get it. And nobody was hitting the perfect, and and so I I got so sick. You know at that point is probably what your eight nine I got so sick of hearing about this about what we couldn't do. And how crappy we were in the other stuff, he was negative. He wasn't super negative. He just was so frustrated with us. I went and told about the ten worst plays off his eighty five. That he had. Terrible tackle. Get drawers just. In the Vikings Day. It was funny to go out came against the Vikings so I pulled him in after meeting. He gets done kind of getting after I coach. Hold on, we got about ten minutes here lack. Running these these days. And I'm like this to go one or two ways. This goes where where he is gonNA. Hate this or he is going to get a chuckle out of this. No one thing about saying is, is he l- he was. He was rolling on the ground last night. He took it. Joke because he got any I think he it helped him. Get across like listen like you're in the hall of fame, one of the best to ever do it, and you're not perfect and work. Perfect I think when he starts to see it in that perspective I wanna say it helped him kind of from our, is it that makes sense. Wow, brilliant, brilliant down Memory Lane, we go story Chad, Greenway I want to amplify with this and ask you a question when you were watching that eighty five bears defense with authentic and plank, and and I think doer, Sin and Leslie Frazier, and single Terry and so on. What what the forty six defense they played like. Does anybody play anything close to it now and what made it so dominating? Yeah well. Dominate was the personnel. NFL The personnel is what made it I mean you WanNa talk about some unbelievable talent and the defensive line what they did, and and the thing about is when you have a guy like single terrier that was had such nose for the ball to hard nose for the ball, they that defense everything funneled to him I mean everything was funneled to him to make that play and he made him he made across the board all silent the sideline. He was impressive to watch and I think the biggest thing that's dealing with. A phenomenal, answer your question, the only the only defense that is either even close to what they did is when when teams go like especially three four teams go like a four, four or six to look it Kinda plays out very very similar, but man. There are some talented guys in that defense, and then that's that was the difference to me. Dan Hampton Yeah Steve mcmuffin, thank you William the Refrigerator Perry. Richard Dent Dat was there. That was their Defensive Line I. Think Your Guy at one point. Your favor coach in the history of the NFL was an unbelievably good corner for them. Jeff Fisher Jeff Fisher was a bears. Corner lies right around the age five. Got Jeff Fisher was a tough. That s corner. Hey, how he's better better corner than it was a coach I can tell you that much. Closing me. HBO has announced August. Eleven th the rams and chargers are going to be the focus of hard knocks, so they're saying August. Eleventh is when hard knocks begins with the training camp piece. I mean I think it's bald going with the date, but you know what maybe they know. Roger Plows through the purge. I think you've got to believe that he's GonNa to purchase any sports leagues going to do it. We all know the NFL and I think the timing works out for him, and obviously what what we're seeing and and certain states now or kind of climbing back up to doing really really well, so I think I think pushing ahead, and and having hard knocks. Push through like they're they're. They're moving forward, but you start funding these shows production, and if that law moving without the for sure thing of a season, that's a risk and it'd be. It's just see how that all plays out. Yeah. It's a doctor foul cheese. Saying football may not happen this year unless it's played in a bubble. You know he doesn't get to decide this and I. Don't know I. Respect his opinion, and he can certainly chime in, and he can say things like boy. They need to be really careful and follow. Your should follow these protocols whatever but. Does. He get to decide if football's going to be played and. Not Yeah. No, no, no I think I. Go with the with all due respect. Dr Faculty I don't believe anything you're saying in this case. I think I. Think the fact that you know that level of control they're going to have in. that. Situation is going to be almost nothing, so it'll be interesting to see how that plays out but I I thought that was extremely irresponsible to say that started right now in June, especially with how things have gone that just my opinion, well. Yeah, I mean he he's. He is well respected in many circles and and I. You know I. Don't go over on one side of the wow, you better hide the women and children because October when the second wave comes rolling through ABC and D okay if it happens, we adjust. But on the other side of it with the stuff that you know that that like bow, she is including, and by the way I don't. There's a separate name like stills or sills. Some scientists Dr whatever the NFL uses as out of their what? That's a train horn. Everybody is in Lake Minnetonka where you are. It is any boats around? You're right now. there are a couple of boats and as a train. It's not gonNA stop. The next thirty. Yeah, stay away from it is the train to Busan I'll explain later. What that? Any boats around Greenway Honk. Your Horn and a church will get you five hundred bucks. But yeah, so I'm I like I. Find The middle at least initially with the foul cheese like just can't see how the NFL season can take place teams are in bubbles. He might be right. I I, think it's I think it's funny when when you hear that conversation, but then you know my my tenure. My nine year old is at indoor basketball practice. Right contained in a contained environment with you know quite a few people in the gym. It's just interesting to see how different approaches to each of these sports. It'd be used tonight time with the NFL and the biggest thing is is obviously there's talking about having to quarantine the team and kind of play them in a quote unquote. The year I mean that's impossible to ask somebody to be away from your family and other party responsibility for six months. I mean that's crazy. Yeah, guess what I mean. I'm still like when when HBO. That August eleventh out I'm like D-. Okay while they obviously know more about dates and and hitting certain dates than I do because they work directly with the NFL offices in New York and I don't however, and I might be wrong with this man, but if I don't believe teams are going to get back to facilities and actually do football stuff until at the earliest mid July. Okay, still a month away all. All right and I think you have to have some form of strength and conditioning then organized team activities then training camp so I just. What are we GONNA to do? Cut Strengthening conditioning from ten days to five, maybe organized team activities from twenty one June, nine. Okay, that's GonNa really help the product and Justin Jefferson, trying to learn the depth of his route or you know, but then you'd get preseason games in. And Training Camp would be close to on time I. Don't know man I, you know I. I would be again. It's not my money, but I would be a fan of whacking three preseason games to make sure the regular season product looks good because you have the proper strength and conditioning and Organiz team. To you know, actually learn the plays you with me. Well I think the biggest thing is you to you? Guys are doing zoom calls and stay on top of their saints conditioning at home right now, and these guys stay in better shape now than they ever have throughout the Aussies and that's that's a guarantee you gotta think about when you go back to seventy and eighties. You get a guy like Scott said. Well on here. Geiger played in the seventies. In the NFL and know that that was the complete norm back right I was absolutely normal. Do not see each other for six months after the season. Get together between and go play now. Is it different, I? Don't know it's a different. It's not that much different than it was then so why can't it be done now? And this is obviously a is going to be a one time hopefully one time thing. Thing I think it's something where you rip the band it off, and you let it ride with us and knowing the guys have been checking in everyday with things conditioning with the coaches. They're putting schemes and right now. They're putting in place so they're getting this stuff. It's just not in it together and I. Don't know that it matters. That must be all the trainers. These guys are seeing and. Physically be ready to play. I I would have to lean toward. These guys can absolutely move forward with those dates, said in a normal training camp environment, and still put on a really good product come September. Yeah, in my heart, knowing how this entity operates, and you do too man. Roger Pushes through the purge. Get brought Rodney. Rogers going to push through this purge as as safe as as he's. He's they're going to do it right. They do things right, and they do it with respect and responsibility, but the big reds GonNa. Push her this purge mark my words, God bless you buddy, happy father's Day weekend. Be Safe on that boat and I'm GonNa Talk to you soon. Okay? Yeah, Hey, one one great out quickly, Greg quickey. We have a ten foot bottle of great up now, not full of great. The blow upgrade at bottom. We'll be at Viking liquor in prior lake. They're a great partner of ours from four to six tonight. Yeah, we have less than signed bottles there. Come get sign bottle. COME CHECK OUT! Our giant Great Daca blow a bottle and had have a good weekend y'all where way four to six prior lake. Where're you again? In case, people want to a say. Hi To you and be get hold of that ten. Ten foot, bottle of vodka. Viking liquor prior lake. Come check it out for six. 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Let's just say I found peace with the situation that was transpiring a little earlier than most, but be earlier than the producer and I'd come in and man. It would just be cranky as bleep in just as a personal this professional. This political this sports this so then I would do non obvious things that would make him laugh, so I would get him I would crack him a little bit. Make him smile making laugh and get him out of that mood, and then when I would do it, I go on so to see. See How many I could get to during the course of the day so like if I take a shot at him, which obviously is thoroughly enjoy working with him. He's very good at what he does and he's. He's a big part of the show behind the scenes that a lot of people don't know so if I say to him because he's been witty and sharp today, that's cool man and It's it's not a surprise that you came up with that reference. When charges here and I I can't get freaking. Sniff Monday through. Nine so I've I've got A. Nine things today from say seven thirty in the morning through now where I have cracked the man in the purge him to smile or get him to laugh. Love it, so it's yeah, it's been just a little love. A little nuance to the relationship speaking of nordahl anticipated return dates with our goal shooting. My goal is to shoot holes in these dates are predicted return dates when it comes to MLB NBA NHL and national football league, so it's either by forecasting faith you go off dates that are tentative, but we know yeah, or you can go in venture a guess if you're one. Throw a week or a month. Month out there for any of them and try to shoot holes in them because I have an opinion regarding one of the League's that have not shared this week, and it's going to be an opinion where I absolutely hope I'm wrong. but I think I think let's just say by forechecking faith in. We think a certain things just gonNa roll, and just whoosh is when might want to hold the proverbial horses on that one. Where where do you begin? Let's start with the NFL that as of now nothing has changed July, Twenty, eight still still appears to be roughly the day. Teams will be engaging first in training camp at. Holy cow number of preseason games of course still up in the air. That's like five and a half I, I just I I have to make a call on this. Because I said eight million jobs, and I am flabbergasted and shocked. Seriously we're five and a half weeks from training camp, and and they're not at their facilities yet that strengthen conditioning and organized team activities is GONNA Walk Right Up to training camp on time and big red's GonNa pull off the preseason games. I mean Roger Pushes through the perch and I know that's coming. But okay, whatever man? That's what that's what he's saying. Yeah I, think it holds I'm trying to poke a hole in it. I can't I think that they'd hold so i? Think the date holds, but the number of preseason games ninety knows is where that would be. That could be altered. See I'm thinking again. If if I had to lay out how I think things are going to work right now and we're betting. Pool for a date or a week, and I would say mid-july earliest. They are all back at team facilities a month like three and three quarters weeks. WHO's the they all everybody well? What do you mean players to players? Kidding well, training training camp doesn't start until what did you say the thirty first? Okay, so great they're. They're highly trained. Athletes and Berry very blessed and gifted. Yeah, we have no idea how many pringles Doritos or a homemade blueberry muffins. Anybody's been eating during the purge. Now there has to be strengthened conditioning. There has to be organized team activities, and then draining out I. Don't know that there has to be an organized element to. To that where he mandated element to that I don't know if they're going to be able to do. It can't wait can't wait to see all your fantasy football teams the first month to Chad's point. This is the way it always used to be. The first time you saw anybody for six months training camp, and it could be that way. Okay I am yeah. I by the time I rolled back here on Monday. I. I'm going to have different answers. With different predictions, because I'm sitting here guessing like some Bo. We've also non stop working and right Braggadocio. Dog In heat when it comes to this I don't guess when it comes to the draft I. Don't need some driveway chat. I need I need to figure this out. It's pissing me off social distancing masks and steamrolling this weekend. I have a social distancing ball. Ball gag mask that I use a canterbury, so I can stay safe and and died. I'm sorry. Zipper mask I wear zipper mask so I can stay safe in the press box and just unzip it a little bit. Call the race zipper right back up. Multifaceted! Moving onto the NBA still roughly the July thirtieth beginning date now. We know that they'll be in Orlando a couple of weeks before that in the mid July here so roughly less than a month players will be departing and entering, maybe riding buses or horse and bugging way to Orlando, but ultimately all things on deck for things to to start July thirtieth for actual games. Yeah, and of course we've seen the the encyclopedia of protocols that are in the mix on singles. Ping Pong only etc.. But I feel pretty strong about that. One two guys I don't see at this stage barring any sort of weird coaches, association typeset back and some negativity right? They're older coaches, more vulnerable health risks and all associated July. Thirtieth seems like it's on par what they I. I would think. It is I. Don't know how much you keep up on this charge, but the NBA the Shams Geranium who held at the athletic version of Adrian Whoa. Generosity is really what. What he does, manny had this like six page. Eat Somehow got hold of the NBA The N. b. p. a. listed, but sent two players with here's other protocols going to work phase one through phase six. Yeah, yeah I. Mean I would bet if we're if we're playing. If it's Ouija board terrorism and were playing a game with the bat then I would bet he gets games off July thirtieth. If you read that entire thing which we basically did twice, it's. Unbelievable. That's not unbelievable. It is just the restrictions on the players and what they are saying highly between highly encouraged in permitted at the bubbles in Orlando the bubble, the hotels and everything it's. I mean if if they if they agree to it, and they can hold to it, God bless them, but I think it's going to be really really difficult. Well it I assume. Teams are going to get knocked out of the playoffs they won't. Players will be there long Yup, right? Some playing teams that'll be there like a week or two weeks or something and the player. The teams that advanced will stay in the bubble. They're doing everything because of the nature of the game, just twelve players modest levels of contact i. just I think this is very doable for the NBA. They're doing it in the bubble. All feels like they're. They're doing it exactly the best possible way they could do it. It's going to happen. It's going to happen on time. Yeah, IT'LL BE FUN to watch playoff to put it in ninety percent or Higher Higher than nine nine hundred ninety. Seven thirty YEP. Okay now I think the protocols thing, though by the way and I know where you're coming from, and it is expansive. We joke about it. I think I think that that's way overblown in terms of the amount of things that they've put out there bigalow comeback well. No, it's not about coming back I. Think you said a list of criteria much like with father's Day weekend we said a ton of rules or thoughts or things that we want our kids to follow guidelines and all of that. Ultimately, there's going to be doubles. Ping Pong. Somebody's GONNA sneak a girl into their room. the there's GonNa be somebody that might rub their Jersey on. On a ball or lick their fingers before a free throw. All of those protocols are in place, simply because the NBA doesn't want to be financially liable or under the pretense that they at least did everything that they could do from a health standpoint to keep people sex because somebody's GONNA test positive in the bubble and we're going to hear about it, and so I think to put all of that out there. It's not like they're going to suspend Chris Paul if he is caught doing something on that list, but as long as the NBA. Put it all out there. They have done their due diligence, and the rest is hands up. Good luck player. I am when. The entire thing charge I haven't highlighted can leave. The Salon gets its seven page. It's the longest thing he's ever read. Yeah! Right. Next to the Louis l'amour books back in the day. I mean the difference Emperor Zapper Nellie. ZAMPA rainy damn. berea yeah, the runner. Is set fa seem like more. Brandon. Unbroken is my favorite book. Alter I thought Marvin. Myself what I thought. You were more of an Arrow Flynn guy and that your new school, so I'm Gonna I am going to say it's eighty eight point three percent you do not. Get the reference off errol Flan. What is an age-old reference? If things are going out? Oh I have no I have no idea I remember him being kind of a coal romantic Yes, which triggered which trigger the age old reference? You are in like Flynn Yeah, you're in like Flynn there. We go like. How's that going for? You Yeah I closed the deal. Oh, you're in like Flynn so now there. We go work now because errol. Flynn is just so down memory lane. We go, but in like Glenn. About we'll see when I read this entire thing and I read it with the trying to find the understanding in this bubble of A. How are they going to gamble and be most Howard? How are they going to sneak girls in yeah? and it's not just us this league. It is rich, well conditioned adrenaline freaks who are in their twenties, get so then when I see, players are not permitted to. Hotel rooms due to infection concerns. There goes the BOO reggae. How you going to play boo right, but see then like the hallway then how? Navigated then I get to then I get to a part where it says Hotel Amenities Players Only Lounge NBA Two k. TV's Comma Gaming. What the gaming means gaming probably means video games. Okay, well. Okay now they're now now now. We got a little bit of the gambling base NBA. You bet absolutely. Yeah from the From the girl standpoint, let me find this. This ought to be good. Was the from telling you right now. Not only because they're excited to come back and play, and they get more money. The more rounds in the playoffs they advance when I saw this regarding player, guests gave. There are no guests Ashley Okay. Our guests in the bubble, each team, the first round of the Playoffs one eight twenty is going to be the greatest first round in the history of the NBA. Because here's the dangling carrot. Each team that advances past the first round of the playoffs will be permitted to reserve up to seventeen guest rooms for guests of players on the. Fan all seventeen. I mean it's I got nine. In Atlanta. I got one coming in from Dallas. Yeah I got one coming in from La, a met one. There was nothing to do in Minnesota outside the mall of America. Player, it's seventeen for the team, not seventeen per player. My team gets seventeen. For that me, that's right. White Howard. Seventeen additional rooms. You only get one now. You've got a real problem because you have a say. He got the Atlanta got now. You've got to put them in order buying. Okay, and then they might have your wife. And the wife Lapin. Well now, white ain't getting their own I'm. To Queens. Literally and figuratively ran. Yes, they can split do Queens. Oh my God. So bad as the dangling carrot is, YOU'RE GONNA. Ask the first round you get a room and here comes low lead or Tanqueray Tanqueray in lead a suitcase. Greatest first round with the NBA playoffs coming. Ever Mark my words Let's continue around the cornfields fan. All right so NHL and a major league baseball, nor go and finish. Oh yeah, okay so fast. The NBA and we will I. Guess Let's transition to hockey, so we heard it twenty four team playoff setup. There'll be some play in series Minnesota wild would be facing off in a best of five against the Vancouver canucks for the opportunity to move on into the NHL playoffs quarterfinals. Training camps are set to begin July tenth. Gentlemen so. Teams together. Would Be July tenth. No, no, they actually they reported tenth. I'm out on it and I just don't possibly see. How can happen and I'm not I'm not trying to poke holes in Hashtag faith radio. Because yes, we will be watching hockey playoffs. I believe in playoffs, baseball eventually and the NFL on time. Why because Roger Pushes through the purge? Now you? You sound like you're losing faith here. This concerns me July. Tenth is in three weeks. Yes, it is. What the hubs are! I don't think we know what all the hubs socket has. The Evans said yet has a weird. It's going to be Toronto in Vegas, but they haven't said has has. Has. Like the NBA The player, the protocol thing that we just read. Yeah, yeah, so you anything from the NHL Not yet get all say I'm I'm yeah. I'm standing out front of Planet Utica today at eleven fifty seven saying that. Just drive up! We have drive up wagering Canterbury because we can have more than five hundred. People or seven fifty, you know for place that comfortably holds twelve thousand or be out there with a long extension cord, and then like a Wi fi extenders like a router. Donate it now. It's going to be live in person it's. It's bet PA. Dot, com, okay, perfect! Yeah, they just had you. We wait and I'm saying. Training camp for the NHL will not take off July and that's because of the protocols right saying that there's so much that needs to be done. Okay. We got three weeks and maybe it all can be done in a day or two. I'm really hoping I'm wrong and I get slammed for it. Be Twitter or booth at KFI AM DOT COM with people go back to California. Stick to horse racing. You have one eyebrow Fu out. That happens because I hope they are training camp. July temp absolute I. Hope July thirtieth the NBA that July thirty first or whenever July, thirty first. What Day of the week is that anybody now July? Thirty first Friday I'm hoping on the Friday football feast. We are opening with audio from an NBA game the night before that be and and we're back and it's the first one. Will Be. It'll be awesome if the if you're correct that Las Vegas is a hub city for the NHL Playoffs. What station is the radio home of the Minnesota Wild? That would be a cafe. I. Don't see why we would not be in Las Vegas. Broadcasting live in their penalty is at the at what is the name of the arena in Las Vegas Mobile Team, oh at the t mobile Rena. Yeah, why would we not be in the penalty box? Watching the watching the wild at do a pre game skate from Las Vegas now we're starting to turn the big rock into little rock's with our verbal chisels where we're just trying to take this complex big vulgar. That is Paul George. Him and just keep whacking away at it, so we can get to the minutiae of the little rocks. Now now I'm beginning to understand why. There have been some pear-shaped times with you during the pandemic Birch! Is you think three weeks from now? That they're going to go through all this protocol, and then a couple of couple of rubes, doing radio show are just GonNa roll into the penalty box and it's right touch, everything s I mean I know you have an astronaut mask and a couple of Kashmir's Mitts and that's why you wear when you go into for Nordahl. Be aldy offer you. It would be byerly so I understand the dynamics of that. You honestly think that witter's can be able to roll into the penalty box that with a what they professional spout. That's going to go over really. Larry Batman and while I great way for me to lose five backpack. Have we been deemed essential workers an? Essential is is a. it's subjective, yeah! Melissa and I feel very essential and I. don't see. We should not be all vegas in three weeks I on the feet. I am not going to Las Vegas. Until there are professional sporting events to what, but there there would be in this scenario. We'd play hockey to watch high tech. We, we've said it. We have a greater than ninety percent. Chance of. We're watching basketball. So I mean technically con. It I mean we could be a month and a half away from wind German like. Luggage shows down there. Wow not even from the penalty box. Yeah, I'd love that, too, but but I'm so I'm with you like you remember like all the various mumps in various. You know bath is in. The NHL Dressing Room the bench, the sharing of the water bottles. Yes, the snot hub the yeah, the the farmers blowing and When I returned from the bath- bathroom to breaks ago, that spot on the front of my jeans. Both of you stared at yeah. You think that spot was bad and guys like as an apple to you. You think that spot was bad. Go ahead and smell gloves on a bench from hockey players who a middle of the third period! You know what I mean all. So I mean they can't keep mumps from being a problem pre pandemic, hurrying to keep an actual yeah contagion like this item mix, and by the way I if I may play the martyrdom victim car just a tad here I was robbed of the opportunity to call to Minnesota Wild Games on the radio. You're and Nordahl was going to be the spotter first modern, the history of the NHL and and he was robbed of the two, so technically we are owed. We are owed a couple of road radio games in there that that why not do it there? If if Kirch is not going than I, don't know man who knows Kurtz might be. How old is. How does he what I look like? Bother time he might be. He might be in A. You might be an age group that is overly. Sixties, but he looks like he's thirty nine right. Saying. You might be calling those games. That would be cool prepare. Are we done be ready well, I mean the only thing right now. Is Baseball Baseball which looking at the? Big! Right now because you had the sixty game proposal by Major League Baseball Retort was seventy by the players, and it was quickly shut down by ROB. Manfred in the owner so here we are yet again. It was July nineteenth and July twentieth. That's what they've been touting. So upon the acceptance of that from that sixty game bit. The owners throughout the other day served that was. The idea is July, nineteenth or twentieth. You're playing games that count again, and if you want to go back a few weeks, that means they're basically saying in terms of a spring training, two point I'll. Let signed sealed delivered this thing I'm yours and they just immediately back into the mix within the next two weeks but obviously until they consummated deal that ain't GonNa Happen so baseball's a big fat L. Right now, serve This is just this just coming down in the past few minutes. Oh, eight! People have tested positive at the phillies training facility season. That's not good well. What do you mean it's not good? Don't don't you read or or see or hear? All the people are like come on I hope I get covert, so I can be done should be over with it i. don't WanNa. GET GROWN VIRUS I'm getting I'm getting fantasy. Guys are talking about how they want Ezekiel Elliott on their fantasy team now because he's got it now, so he's going to be immune to it once. The season rolls are out. So? Three, it's five players and three others have been hit with the corona virus at the teams clearwater Florida facility I think. Of this is the sort of thing. Dot could be a real problem, and the thing is though again moving forward. I thought personally that it was an inevitability as you started to open things up. Yeah, you know whether you're of the. Let her rip variety. You know the stay home until there's a vaccine variety wherever you stand on it alternately as things open up that you're going to hear a massive increase in the number of actual positive cases. Because Squash Vegas when it opened, because testing is more widespread, so you're getting higher volume on that and in everything, so you are I thought you were always going to get higher cases I. Think really the the key to. It is always been right. We know that most people will not require to be hospitalized from. Thank thank God for that. Yeah, and that most people will not perish from it as well so thank God for that as well. Most people won't mark from it as well. That's wreck. So I have never necessarily been concerned about hearing a while. More people are getting tested well. Yeah, more people are going to test positive for it and get it. As long as the hospitalization numbers don't see these massive spikes and we're not seeing young people. Are Non sickly people, and we're not seeing overall a higher number of people dying from it in general I always thought that that would be a good sign in terms of moving forward more people getting it. If more people are getting it now, maybe that lessens the concept of. Extensive second-wave quote unquote in the fall. That's just how I I always looked at I thought inevitably you start allowing people to live some sort of normalcy again. Then more people were going to get the virus very logical and and make sense with this village news to now seven minutes from now former Vikings wide receiver Terry Account joins nine to noon. familiar with the. The name, but I I don't. There's nothing descript with tears me living in in the early eighties your early eighties, so I just moved in eighty one in particular. I was a two three. I was a freshman to three I was a sophomore in high school in Southern California, so I remember the name more so working with the football team for the last two decades, yeah. But then I looked up pro reference in the stats when when I got the bit ready last night after order closed on it. Like seven, he had e average one touchdown every ten games so I'll have the college hall of fame like as a player with this covenant. Catch up you. What was descript with Terry Locale? Let me tell you about one of the best. Probably one of the ten best regular season games, the Vikings ever play my God happened in southern California. Nineteen eighty-one Sunday October eleventh. Don Coryell Paul and the chargers led by Dan fouts Chuck Muncie Kellen Winslow Charlie Joiner West Chandler yeah same level. Play Oh. Yeah, against Tommy, Kramer Sammy, White Ahmad Rashad. Ted Brown and Ricky Young, who are really good, one two punch at running back and the player who would end up being the star of one of the best games regular season games in the history of the franchise. Great Terry lookout. That's great. Let me just tell you a little bit about that guy. It comes down to the fourth quarter. Vikings are trailing by seven. When Tommy Kramer, who would go on to throw for four hundred forty four yards and four touchdowns in this game, Lord throws a touchdown down by seven to terry lookout. What happens? Rick Dan Meyer misses the extra point. There doubt they're down by one. They try a desperation. On side kick. Recovered by. Terry lookout. Wow, and the cowboys go on to have six cashes one hundred twenty yards, and two touchdowns, fascinating game epic, absolutely epic back and forth duel with a bunch of hall of Famers Vikings End up winning the game and we'll talk to terry account in a few minutes Yup covenant catch up with that former vikings wide receiver around the corner I have a surprise for the to hear with on wind. Lead that conversation then charge will talk to Terry about some sad news from from the Atlanta area where we're working with the college football hall of fame. Then we end the segment with another surprise, a fan! Radio show shake. Looking to provide good times. Leave your cares behind when you listen. To the nine to noon Radio Show FM one hundred point three am. Jerry lookout! My name is Paul Allen. It's very nice to chat with you on the radio. The Co host is Paul charging. You've chatted with him on. KFI before on actually met him at a barbecue place in Atlanta welcome to the Friday football feast, and thank you very much for the time to chat with you. Thank you Avonex Care Terriers. The College Football Hall of Famer with us and things to chat about down Atlanta way here momentarily. I'd like to begin here. You went to high school and played for the Vikings with Gregg Allman. Raines High School in Jacksonville and then years with the man they call touch. Greg Coleman first black history the NFL. What was Greg like back in the seventies at ratings, high school in Jacksonville. Funny thing about that is. May Grey. Go so far back. he was actually. My captain! From Middle School. Locally while he was one of my cats, and so, but I got to School Greg was a decent sedan. On. Events. And Greg's cousin is Vince Coleman so now you know Vince Right. I know very well okay so Terry, AH, by by faith straight from your heart. Okay, because I, you know I I called Vikings Games on the radio and I have for eighteen years, so greg not only from a spiritual standpoint, but just a friendship standpoint is one is one of my closest most deeply rooted friends over two decades, but I always tease him Vince Coleman with the cardinals. He was fast. Who who who was faster, and why in Highschool? Greg or Vince Coleman. Greg Coleman Oh my gosh. You never lies. That's great. Great Great Coleman was a state champion. In the hurdler? Was a late bloomer, which most people don't really know about you know when they played Played his start playing until he got to Sam you. College. younger, he never made the playing field. He was much younger than us, but he didn't get on the plane sealed until we all got out of high school. He was asleep, Jenner, baseball and he just learning. Take! Was a young person. It's amazing can be that good, not not necessarily. Be playing back then. Terry we're talking Terry Count Former Vikings. Wide Receiver that especially people of my age will remember and Terry we highlighted the epoch Terry lockout game before you came on that charger game in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one. Tell people you remember from that game. I got to believe this was the high water mark of your NFL career. You were so impactful in that game, and it was such a such a big upset win. It gets a bunch of hall of famers. Well. The game. The game was bigger than that because what happened. concern Bernie's came in, and we knew it was going to San Diego to go against Dan fouts and Wes Chandler and Kellen winslow and they've talked about. The passing game well, the passing game was posted Dan Topnotch Phantom. What's it was but we were just coming through. High Receiver Offense Year Bunch. I was. Putting up big numbers. Game One to outdo them to be honest, yeah. And then working out that way, it ended up being four hundred forty yards for four time. Kramer, but you ended up having a huge impact on that game. You add a couple touchdowns, hundred twenty yards, and as if memory serves. You got the onside side. Kick the end. I think. Catches and everything is great. But you know I wanted to win the game. I want to have that type of game and they come down to the last. Second. Most important part for me. Yes I had a good game, but I want to also had the. So so own take was something of I'm coach bug grant. That's around that. Talks about. Talking about people talk about. Being. Worked it was part. Package that we worked on. Special Teams worked on. And so by told me. You have one job mentioned about. Terry lookout former Minnesota Vikings wide receiver in the early. Eighties College Football Hall of Famer to come covenant catch up on this Friday down memory lane. We go coming up momentarily but the first involving. The death of George Floyd, and subsequently things that that that transpired off that nationwide. That's a that was the origin of why we we have Terry noon jar now Terry Terry works with the College Football Hall of fame in downtown Atlanta it was vandalized and looted, and when I heard about that happening Terry I immediately thought of you a new. You worked there and I wanted to get an update on what happened to the College Football Hall of fame. What happened with the looters? And then what? What condition is it even in now? West that we're having this conversation I went back to one yesterday. with managers, but I I vividly still see. that particular night. Painful night. Not just for the hall of fame, but but all the downtown I catch the train. I'm offering the name on to get to work and from CNN. McCormick Steakhouse! To the Omni Hotel. And then to. The college football the fame I. I'm looking at it. And amazed at this is just get the store. So it's it's The George floor. It's very painful. I am actually doing some work. Mentally would have therapist because at sixty three. I'm thinking that's the time. Should be better than what it is. So I. I am going through the process of. Coping with. Daily. About Raffish Yeah that that's fantastic that you're doing that by the way Terry, because not every not everybody, but especially man recognize something like that then take the steps Oh God. Bless you and well done on that. Thank you thank you. Has Race played a sounds like racist played an impact in your life. Do you have any any any stories or anything that you feel comfortable sharing Terry? I mean I've been. I've been on Greek since I was seven years old and we're talking about race, but we have we. It's a tissue. On black history month mean play for the ESTROGENS club He was actually about nine or ten seven, and we had the best little league football team. In all the Jacksonville, but we wasn't allowed to play in the gable. Up because. Greg Greg. Before And I think about that, too, because is. We. We grew up Like I mean, we're neighbors and Danforth. Mostly the same high school? Played the same high school which is. The predominant bike hostile that produced. Professional ballplayer. It has not necessarily but. And then. Go on. And on the same especially team. Braids the spiritual part. Of that. Very Young Age I'm. Twenty years, but Great Greg. Down Earth Person I joke I would've. Never saw. Visible part of being tough on defense. Terry, you were A. You're the second black quarterback in the history of the Florida gators, and that was at a time when black quarterback was still pretty rare were were there. Were there things that happened because you're a black quarterback back then? I think what happened to me, I had a guy named Don gant dad again. Grow Man Greg. Own Their as as great and he was the quarterback. So I follow dot all the way through. High School and what happened when he got the Florida. Don tuck on grunt. Of. Things actually the first. Time I got in there. and. With makes a difference. We're. Talking about? But. It doesn't so I always tell people about Florida gators I've played through position. And when Don was Dan touchy took care all that and I didn't go to. Racial issues. Fan. I can't say I wouldn't sit and stand, but my my. I ask all that. Yeah fortunately. I would imagine down Raines High School Way Down Jacksonville Way Cherry, the the Gaffney name is a pretty big sports name, right? Correct As, often, which is the oldest? Derrick Gasunie. War, gassing and Had Johnny Gotten you listen to wait for to Barca? SIGN UP THERE GAFNI! Okay I thought. We all know what to Florida at the same time. Yeah, so that's kind of history. At the University of most people don't know we. Every some of the best tower. Ever, in Florida history yesterday and a national championship, but the team that I play with all my senior year. We. Eleven guys to go toe wishes. All Florida history giving. Here's, but he don't talk about it because. With pro was actually back at. All Terry hold on here for a second as you were saying Terry locale Vince Coleman, and is the fastest, Kalman of all the call, men's in the history of the Kalman's away with the phone's ringing. Hello, special guests! Who is this? You you know what what? I Talk Vince Coleman everything. And teach them everything. Ed, Greg Greg Coleman. Say Hello to your to your lifetime friend Terry lookout. What's up black magic? How'd you? You said. Don't put me on the spot about union. Who is the fastest? In hesitation I say gray was the fast yet. You always told Greg always all those bus conversations we've had through two decades about use seen the spinners, one of my favorite bands of Florida a and M, Vince, calm and things you. Terry and others went through in Jacksonville in the seventies plane for the Vikings, you you always told the truth, and and and you were and are faster than the great Vince Coleman so thank you for the honesty. But let let me tell you A. Story on how account got that name Black Magic? Terry Rain quarter he was, he was a south more my senior year on the track team and. Sometimes the lighting. In on the back side at the track at night was not as light as it needed to be in all, you saw with these long white socks. In The white track God greg that God you're. All you saw on. The White Sox and Then stands black magic. Black Magic, that was Terry's nickname, because not only was phenomenal. tracks very quarter Maller He was phenomenal quarterback I'm sure that he's Share it with you. The stories of of all of those things in the great history of range, high school, and in his tenure down at the University of Florida. One of my dearest friends in the World Terry I saved this for the end, and it's not like Greg and I. You know a chatted about this, but in reading up on some of your back story now they're you know they're. There was drug addiction involved in the early eighties and get sadly derailed your national football league rare. You rehabilitated it and here we are now, so it's a fantastic story from where it went to where it is. I, I would like to to ask two questions. The first is Greg. Coleman sounds like your brother and arms all your life in knowing how God loving and kind greg is. At at the troubled dark times of your life, How instrumental was greg. This is this is what he did. You know sometimes you can. Step in and you know when not to step in and when the ditch and takes over Greg realize. Even though he's not free. When he realized that Dixon has taken over twice, Fan was not a whole lot. He can say because I find. Myself and it's and it took a while from inside your freedom, but he's always been there so once he realized. It wasn't Terry was an addiction. He just moved to the side and then. Talking about, but other than that he just he just let addiction deal, did and eventually by Sami and promised land so greg now now now on your side of the Greg! Knowing all your life, who you who you have been, and and you initially as a young punter in the NFL Terry's Alah a young speedy receiver in the NFL. I would imagine you probably wanted to go. Matthew Eleven twenty eight on it right out of the gate because he was more than heavy laden, and his his burden was not light, so that's little. It is, but he probably pushed you away like a lot. Addicts do right. Yeah, and and understanding that the addiction was carrying him in not the person, not the terrier that we knew that was deep down inside. I mean in. My wife was very instrumental in in. You know Terry's wellbeing and hey, Terry, come over. Let's let's have dinner. Let's talk. We never pushed him away. Regardless to went. We knew from a personal side in in from a professional side. Even through his addiction was still one of the best gunners that had ever played in the National Football League, so we knew that things would take its course, and we've come full circle in in here. We are today, man and It's it's amazing you. You talk about the Minneapolis miracle whether Terry Lookout Miracle Summary is that tops all Damn I love that and finally dot Terry for those. Those listening right now to this radio show the product football feast P., A. in charge it. If now there are those struggling with addiction listening right now whether it's alcohol drugs pills, whatever it is from where you were in the early eighties to where you are now twenty twenty as a person. What what can you say to those struggling and looking to get out of that struggle? Well it's. It's not one special item that you can talk about, but they. They tell you after that. Use One of. I said people. Places. And things. And, that's the problem you have to change all three you could. You can't make that turn and drive down the street. We you know that's what it said. Drug just to see. If anybody's there the people that you hang around, you cannot continue to hang around people and then fantastic change so. We talked earlier about you know. Be Pretty Talk. About this race issue. You have to be strong enough. To Guide you. Guys, actually listening every. It's just guys. If I. Start writing. Just just. Today that I thought. It David. Like that ever in my life. But do I do that day? I was going to be. Clean A and you know what else that to close. You know whether whether you believe in the Gospel old new. Testament no matter no matter what your faith-based proclivities are, if you if anybody researches Libyan's four six and reads it forget who a lot of people think wrote it. Just read it and read the words, and and that will help you. Don't you agree greg? Without Question Paul, without question in in you know to. Some also come full circle with Terry, and in what what Mike is to him in now what he's doing for young people down in the in the Atlanta. Area is just so remarkable man. It's so remarkable well happy father's Day weekend, both of you and know your dad's Terry i. can't thank you enough for joining the radio show and getting a chance to meet you I. Look Forward to meeting you in Person Greg. You know I love you to death man and I can't wait to see you. Same to you, baby happy father's day T- lookout. Gets in you your to wait a second love you, boy. It's not teal account. It's black magic. All right. Bye Cheri. Greg by by I can't thank you enough for coming up with an idea. And I had no idea about the coma connection, which made this whole thing so special hearing those two together and around. Wow cannot thank you enough. I had no idea that idea. It's always it's always interesting with this job to see where things had and and when you open your heart just to see where it goes, and that's what happened I enjoyed it into the fan. Nothing. Nothing I can do. Fantasy football Mr Guillotine Lake. From the Viking standpoint if you were to. If we were to go status quo on the Friday football feast, and it say it's the the old norm becoming quasi the new norm, a fantasy sleeper. The Minnesota Vikings Somebody People can start thinking about a little bit now. Since it me, it's a very abundant me. Big Red's GonNa push through any former purge in front of him. Yeah, so Guillotine League along with ob sleepers and everything vikings fantasy sleeper. What do you got any? If I were to pick one Viking who's being under drafted in early drafts so far? It's Justin. Jefferson Paul is going out as ron and round twelve right now as wide receiver fifty eight off the board. Yeah, and a lot, a lot of rookie receivers do take time to get up and running, but the guys who generally don't buy the ones that were hyperproductive in College Justin Jefferson Paul last year, one hundred eleven receptions God one thousand five yards, eighteen touchdowns. What that's those are NFL. Those are awesome, fell numbers, and they only play. You played whatever twelve games last year gravy train. something the Vikings Entertainment Network set me for a segment I. Do for them called the pick. SIX VIKINGS DOT com. It's an answer that I actually recorded this morning. Is the top five receivers last year rookie receiver stopped by rookie receiver yeah. Average ooh man, and might have been fifty eight and a half fifty nine, and a half receptions. Okay, so the question was over or under Sixty on Justin Jefferson receptions now. I can't remember what I said I think. I went under simply because I think IRV Smith Juniors numbers jump up bag. my believable and everybody else is like BBC. BB's on the whole thing. They're going to go up. Over sixty easily. Here's. Justin Jefferson will be a week one starter for the Vikings Yeah and you know play primarily out of the slot, so it's not I don't know if he's going to be every single down guy and week one but he'll be every single down guy by the middle of the season. He's so much better than everybody but Adam feeling at the receiver position. He's going to get on the field on all. The production had in college Paul and then he's just a special player. He is a first round talent. Get this his contested catch rate. Rate Paul so effectively jump balls where both players could come down with the ball Justin Jefferson came down with the ball ninety two percent of the title. He's a ninety two percent guy in a fifty fifty scenario s I love that you to fall. It's Paul attacks. The Ball I love the double moves that he's got the yards after catch. He's just he's a really good player. I think we're GONNA see it immediately. We year one. He's going to be fantasy serviceable. Okay, especially by mid season offensive rookie of the year. He's twenty two one. It's tough. Because Joe Boroughs going to be great but you know. On a crap Cincinnati team. Quarterback to win that award on bad teams away, collar Murray, one. Zona. Way Game so wait a second. It's that that fantasy your fantasy football. I tunes thing to play Saturday on the band and I tweeted about it. You did the Jerry's parking lot in Eden Prairie when I was listening Saturday love that somebody was really on. Somebody on that show was like collor. Murray's as good as the Shawn Watson. Was I'm equity guy in a minute. Okay, I understand what you're saying and you're prognosticating, and that is a bold prediction or bold statement. Yeah, not right now I mean it's so and we don't know what it looks like without De'andre. Hopkins probably ain't going to as good, but I'd like to see it first and cuyler tight. You know when we were talking when when northern when I started, the boroughs favored a two, and after one to win rookie of the year all the way down to like regular and Justin Jefferson at twenty one When loves I WANNA last year and look Kyla Murray's numbers on the. Wasn't the greatest. Should've won Terry McLaughlin was the best rookie. Bomb he is he is. He's unbelievable. The fact he did what he did with the Redskins and Dwayne Haskins the ball was amazing. Yeah so anyway just in Jefferson. To me feels like a if there's a viking who's being under drafted and undervalued. There's a lot of fantasy players out there that just until they see it with their own two eyes proven to them, they can't take. The can't make the jump can't see the future. Jefferson's GONNA be Great. We have thirty five seconds left. 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Bloomberg or Iceberg?New Entrants and The Impeachment Show

Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy

44:33 min | 11 months ago

Bloomberg or Iceberg?New Entrants and The Impeachment Show

"The A share tax on tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy the X. Good Morning I hear your testifying some going on Capitol Hill tomorrow on the in I'm offering all my testifying right here on my testimony is here man. We should church you now. If you really on top of things you should have to hack on tap a day given the way things are going here. We've got nuke. Whoever thought we'd be talking about new candidates dates in In November before the unbelievable the Caucasus. We're going to get there but we have to. We should make about to the impeachment hearings because they are historic only the fourth time in history. Everyone's going to be talking about him. I don't think we need to chew over the substance of it because you can get bat anywhere but I you know I wanna I wanna mix something in here because you and I've been having this argument as to whether Republicans will see their or duty And do it. I've been watching this parade of Republican sort of auditioning crazy arguments hoping that one will be Refuge for them but in the midst of this Euro Buddy Jeff sessions. I think he was a client yours or something once wasn't he johnny weaver and I would him in the US Senate with a lot of help from the good people of Alabama back in one thousand nine hundred ninety six I know him well. And I'm sure the people of Alabama will appreciate appreciate the Nadia just gave them but he is back back home after a tumultuous tenure as Attorney Attorney General in which the president of the United States basically accused him of being stupid of betraying him of being an operative ready for the dark forces and so on. Now he's back running for the Senate in Alabama and here is the ad that he ran. Jeff sessions here approve. This and I'll laugh president trump's cabinet that I ride a tell all book go on CNN. Jack the president have I said across else worried about not one time and I'll tell you what I that would be dissolved. I was there to serve his agenda not mind the president's doing great jobs for America and Alabama and he has my strong okay so this is why this is why you're not going to see twenty Republican senators once impeachment comes to the Senate. Has I think at this point. It's it's preordained that it is based on the the evidence that we've seen they. They're scared of him. Jeff sessions is doing what he's doing because he knows that if if Donald trump fires and acid is it tweet his way he can lose a very competitive Republican primary and he's probably the strongest candidates still in Alabama against Doug Jones the the accidental incumbent. senator who. I respect a lot. But he was running up. He'll fight. So what makes you think that this party is not going to do. A full jeff sessions when it comes to When it comes to to hearing the evidence you love to grind this Oregon first of all when the Republican Revolution happens? It ain't GonNa Start in Alabama. I can guarantee you that my friend Sessions is reflecting the reality of Republican and Primary politics particularly in the southern states where trump is very powerful. So you know dog bites cat. That said I'm a little disappointed. Republican Republican Primary Limit Republican primary. Okay go ahead. I'm sorry I'm all wound up here. What I've said from the beginning is as this thing thing develops and if it gets worse there is a chance because quietly in the Senate? There's a lot of private angst about trump and is it starts looking as a choice between Wean death by primary. which is the politics what we just heard from sessions or death by general election? Some may shake loose. Predicting it will happen no am. I saying it's totally impossible. It's over it's done take a victory parade. Republicans are the Anti Christ from the Senate. I'm not saying that either. See I think there's a slim chance now just just for an irony sake. I WANNA do the Exxon tap time timetable. Because when we we pulled out that sessions ad I pulled that one of the old spots I did for him when he got elected ninety six six. Listen to what he was selling then and it does give you an idea of how the Republican audience these guys were playing to has changed heavily and fundamental values. I believe that is I believe there are principle which are unchanging for summit jeff sessions so I think the honesty thing has been put on ice yes because if you watch trump Honesty is no no longer clearly the attribute and the Republican Party it is it is remarkable really health off how far we've traveled how you know you talk about private Aniston. I don't doubt that there is a lot of private question is does anybody convert their private angst into public access. And you're right that they only have to fear a primary but there. Aren't that many places where there are general elections anymore even in the United States Senate and that's the issue shoe both in the House and the Senate people only fear primaries in their parties trump understands that he commands the Republican base and therefore therefore he is holding holding a bunch of these guys by. I'll say the short hairs for purposes of podcast but I think he's grabbing something else. Well I look at the the grip is there. The fear is there. We're not asking these guys as I often. Say to Landon Anzio Beach but apparently right now it's too much we're see. See my little side clock on it is will more. Republicans defect than Democrats defected on Clinton Travel. Loyalty was around then. But some did yes. It was yeah. Yeah so you know even that standard. We have some work to do. But I don't know we'll see we'll see just thinking about. There's just I was just thinking about this do you think When I said that thing before about grabbing grabbing do you think there's some equivalent of the access this Hollywood tape where trump is bragging and private that these Republican members of Congress When you're a star they let you grab them by their private parts? Well I I don't really really WANNA take this family podcast on the kind of pornographic themes that you're advancing here. David we have children. That would be the that. Would that would be the fact if we were to hear here. The new Nixon tapes of the trump White House and vulgarities like that applied to the wimpy Republicans. Welcome by the president would not surprise me at all but wait a minute. Let's talk about what's going to start tomorrow the public show the house hearings. I do not believe this is an issue that is going to completely transfixed the country but a lot. I think these hearings are gonNA help the democratic. 'cause they've got some very compelling people talking old pros I think they're going to raise the stakes a little to help people understand why what might look to a lot of typical politics trying to get dirt on your opponent. You know they all do it Blah Blah Blah. They're going to see horrified career people. And if you look at like Bill Taylor's background one hundred first Airborne Division Lieutenant Colonel Vitamin Patriots. And they're going to be out there in the open and they're going to be telling this story which is a pretty simple but damning story so I I think the Democrats are GonNa Score some points that these hearings. Yeah no I think look I think this is very tricky for the Republicans because some of these witnesses Mrs are sort of not to no pun intended unimpeachable witnesses. I think the strategy is going to be less about the witnesses and more about trying to tell you know crazy different stories about conspiracy theories and you know Hunter Biden and so on anything but the substance because the substances damning very n You see you know when you I watched Senator Kennedy from Louisiana on on the tube over the weekend. Trying to explain. You know the difference between This kind of quid pro quo and that kind of quid pro quo. Oh and it was like watching Cirque du Soleil. You know people sort of wrapping themselves into balls of in unnatural ways So I I think that they're going to have to try and create a diversion at the end of the day. Their goal is not to win a trial of fact it's to to try and partisan is this as much as possible make it impossible for Republicans to stray on the president. Get it over with and move on to the election. The oldest his trick of any defense lawyer when you know the faxes put the trial on trial. And so it's GonNa be a lot of that and a lot of smoke but I don't know I think these witnesses their biographies compelling. I think they'll help punch it through I. I don't think this is going to be the swing voter deal of the whole election. But I think it is going to help the dams and I. I think it's GonNa box the president because he's going to be forced to talk about nothing else and he can weave these conspiracy theories that they're all undermine control by the deep state and that'll play with Yesterday was that yesterday. was that the transcripts that were released by the community word doctored transcripts which even the Republicans on the committee didn't support so so crazy town. He's GonNa feel his cul de sac which will be great. You know crazy child for them but it's not kind of move. The needle form the election which he desperately has to do. That's going to be down to the referendum on the democratic where it could really hurt him. Is it contributes to this sense Of utter chaos around agreed and that I think is great vulnerability here. You know sadly you see these polls where people say well most presidents do what he did most presidents. Don't do it he did. I don't think any other president has done What he did? That's what people think but I think they also are uncomfortable with the chaos and the picture of president who's kind of out of control and I think that will that that that that could hurt him. This is the first time to shamelessly at a last word. The last word where you were going to see professionals aghast at the circus of the White House on television as opposed to hear about audit or read about it in thoughtful print stories and elite newspapers where we're going to see real deal people many of whom have worn the uniform and serve the country describing a playpen in running the shop and I think that's going to be compelling to people and it's going to raise the stakes the reason to be worried about the the reality show that you know we've got going on inside the White House now. Big Big nose new entrance. It looks like Mike. Bloomberg is turning the multi billion dollar. Turn toward the race and Duval. Patrick Your old running buddy from Massachusetts. This is looking at it as well. Who would have thought that middle of November heading down the final stretch toward the Iowa caucuses? And we've got new horses on the track back. You know everybody is pondering what is the Bloomberg thing mean and there's One interpretation is that it was a vote of no confidence in Joe Biden. He didn't get in Bloomberg because Biden was taking up too much space. Now he is getting in and it's fueling that sense that maybe Biden can't go. The distance of Biden Haydn was dismissive. Let's listen to that. I welcome in the race. Mike does a solid guy unless he wrote I have no no problem with him. Getting Yeah you can feel the love their. You know I'll tell you there's a silver lining for Biden because you're right. This is a reflection of people particularly in the donor class. Losing faith in them but I saw that townhall. We're going to talk about it. He was pretty good. His expectations are so low. Now that you know Biden starting to have a potential comeback narrative if if you can just get some votes I don't think it was the worst thing for Joe. Yeah you're right. He has done a good job of lowering expectations and and he is and he is becoming more active now and agree. There could be another turn of the wheel here. The opposite of the silver lining is the gold that it may cost him from donors who would have given to a super PAC. Nate eight now may hold back thinking. Let's see where this Bloomberg thing goes and Biden desperately needs to raise money. That's his biggest problem right now is that he is. He is short short on cash and he needs the superfund to go the donor market. And that's they're nervous. They think Biden may be too rickety to lead the wagon train the whole way or in maybe two left Buddha judge to young. Is America ready for a gay person and so there is this hand. Dan Ringing in teeth. GNASHING that is serve endemic to the democratic breed democratic party breed. But this is in part an answer to that. The question question is in the real world. What are the chances For these candidates Bloomberg's theory is completely untested in modern modern history which has been the first four races go ahead and and found wanting yet. No no I I agree with you. I think this is donor panic driven rich. Rich donors enriched owners are the same everywhere they all want the same campaign. You Start Thirty points ahead and you've finished thirty points ahead so it's an easy trot and they're they're not having that they're seeing the risks that some of these candidates present so they're trying to conjure up a donor situation but to your point about Bloomberg. Nobody's ever done the late. Start before four. And I guess that theory is a Biden. Crashes in Iowa New Hampshire they can pop up and say you know disclosure. I like Bloomberg. I think he'd be a good president. I've done some work for Bloomberg Bloomberg's pack and the best though they're my friends but the idea you can jump start this thing. After the first four particularly islands South Carolina in the second thing is surprising. ISING ME is. Where's any message about why he ought to be president? It's all process. I don't think there's going to be a lot of Mike Bloomberg image left by the time this is over. Because it's all I'm GONNA be pummeling with no offense from him in South Carolina. You can't go there in. The Modern Democratic Party subtext is. It's the first party was strong African African American participation. I primary. You can't take a walk on and because you say you can't get enough storefront headquarters open so I have to admit I don't get it. But they do of the resources to make a pitch and I guess they will if he actually renison. Yeah no that that will go under that will go in the category of you've understatements of the year. They have the resources. The man has fifty two billion dollars and he's going to spend a bunch of it I I would expect. He'd spend a billion dollars. I I think you're GonNa see I mean we got out of the business way to doing Murphy I think he is going to spend untold amounts of money in those in those Super Tuesday states including California New York that he will be on for. You know twenty thousand or more gross rating points over ten weeks before that primary and his bad is that Biden we'll have collapsed. The flaw and that he will be the center left candidate. The flaw with the theory theory is that Biden's basis among non college educated white voters an African American voters neither of which are bases for Mike Bloomberg Bloomberg. So I don't know how this thing pencils out and I'll tell you something else also just quit that Buddha judge. That's a real threat to yes. That's where I was going. Yeah yeah that's it and going anywhere unless Bloomberg can start beating them and it's hard to win a baseball game when you suit up in the sixth inning. But you know so this is. What's this is what I find curious about his decision to skip New Hampshire because the Buddha judges surging right now in Iowa and by the way I gotTa send you some you know in in full disclosure? The firm that I sold ten years ago is doing his ads And so I know solo skies well but I looked at a real of the ADS. He's been writing now. He's been on for eleven weeks. It's not a mystery as to why he's moving in Iowa. It is a very coherent set of ads you know. He is basically seized this unity theme this community theme as opposed to the Elizabeth Warren Bernie Sanders fight right theme and It is selling in in Iowa and it's coordinated with the things he's saying On the stage but he could do very well on Iowa he could finish second he could finish I if he does. He goes roaring into New Hampshire and with a primary in which independent voters moderate Republican voters can crossover and vote in the Democratic primary. He could do very well there. There was just a Quinnipiac poll that showed basically a four way tie Biden in the lead closely followed by Warren Buddha judge and Sanders so Bloomberg could do well in a state like New Hampshire because of those independent voters because awesome those moderate Republican voters. I suppose he's skipping it because then he would be obligated to go into South Carolina where he would do very poorly. Can't have that pass. I think our them. I'd never go to I will but I would try the Bloomberg mugging in New Hampshire. It's tailor made for him and then get something going. What's going to happen instead? Et is the route on a process argument He's you know he's GonNa pull I percents or something in a national poll so the media will start to say nobody wants them and then he's GonNa get so beat up that restart even if you have all those points. Look I I know a lot about spending one hundred million dollars on presidential primaries when the voters orders when what you're selling with you know all the wonderful things about it ain't with the voters are looking for and there's very little evidence right now to suggest the Bloomberg is currently currently perceived as what they're looking for now. I think they could make a hell of an effort in New Hampshire is the place to do it. But if they pass on that whatever's left of Bloomberg by the end of mentor how many GOP. The as I think it's an uphill sell but you know they. They can try and agree of Buddha. Judge he he's a guy running the table now. I think we both agree. That finally really. And we've been talking about it on this podcast for ages since episode like to this Medicare for all is a wedge issue not only in the general election but in the Democratic Eric Primary and they're finally drawn that line and for the first time in her campaign. She's getting boxed in a little bit and there's losing some velocity is she is Medicare for. Paul has become a long dark tunnel for her. And she's going to have to find a way out of it but here the sign. That Peters is moving moving. You know I've said this before here and elsewhere and Mario Cuomo and said the only place people shoot backwards cowboy movies in political campaigns ends. They always shoot at the people who are ahead of them This weekend Amy Klobuchar. Who is competing with Pete for that sort of moderate and moderate in in approach and in policy Lane was on television and she was asked about him. She had a pretty acid acid response. Let's listen to that. The women on the stage. I'm focusing here on my follow. Women Senators Senator Harris Center. Warren and myself do I think that we would be standing on that stage. If we had the experience that he had no. I don't maybe we're held to a different standard. ooh That is. That's the roar of other candidates. Just got a report from treasure. They're having trouble making payroll that's frustration. But she's gotta get she's gotTa get by She's gotta get by Buddha the judge in In Iowa and Iowa is everything to her but they're the you know the the substance of it There were a lot of women who netted their heads about that The following day Elizabeth Warren took a pretty tough shot at Biden for calling her. I angry saying that that you know suggested. That's the kind of thing that people say about women so this thing is getting. It's getting more intense. I think This is this is just beginning portends for next week I think a very interesting debate. You know I thought Biden was was was pretty good at the town hall last night because he went back at her you know she said he ought to be in the Republican primary. Warren did and he hit Biden. Hit back with the old elitist. Professor is going to tell you how to you know. Throw your union. Healthcare card in the garbage can and have a complicated scheme so I thought Biden violence finally on the offense and he's doing a little better better. Yeah no he is. I mean he was I thought he was. He was good in the town hall. There's still always that moment. Every time he begins to speak of of apprehension about how the whole thing's going to turn out and there are times in the middle of when he's speaking when you wonder where he's going start dirt he gets mad he's not he s and those town hall meetings are useful actually because They you can talk as long lungs you want. So he can meander around and then land and doesn't have to worry about the clock. We shouldn't leave this whole Democratic Party Discussion though without talking we've we've talked about Bloomberg's theory of the case. We didn't talk about deval Patrick Right before. We should talk about it because of his Boston. New Hampshire connection just a point on this amy thing I was early early booster because I see her as a competitive candidate to be trump and she's not one of the real liberals but there's been this mean amy pattern. There was the New York Times story or apparently he was chewing chewing cory. Booker's ear off on the Senate floor about how matchy was about Buddha judges attention. There's a sound bite. We just played like if there was a female candidate who was a veteran who had been a successful there who had pete's communication skills and was generational new and it managed to raise a lot more money than Ab clovinger without any the Senate leveraged power to raise it with. I think that can't female. Can it would be totally on the stage. And we'll be doing as well as Pete so amy's problem and she's been a bad competitor so so she wants to go back to Nimrod Minnesota and complained from there I i. I don't like the amy was better. There is a town called Nimrod Minnesota and glad away so I didn't even make that up and if there isn't you'll probably create one-on-one by the time this podcast. Yeah but listen. I just let me say a word for her. I actually think think she got a slow start in this campaign. She along with Buddha judge were the stars of the was a star of the last debate She's finally found her voice in the question his whether she's founded Too late this is not the time to disparage. Although she may feel like she can ignite some support by making that point. But I agree with you. She should keep eyes forward here and stick to the message. That was so strong in that in that debate. So devolve. Aw Aw you know He. I know it's SURPR- and we don't know as we sit here whether Neil actually take the next step. He has to file by Friday and New Hampshire. As we mentioned New Hampshire is one one of the reasons why he probably thinks he can pull this off. He's not well known he's not well funded so he sort of the Anti Bloomberg in that regard he is an exceptional campaigner. I worked with him in two thousand six when he ran for governor. He was at three percent when he started in that race. The Democratic Establishment was dead. Set against I him. He went down to town and he pulled off an extraordinary upset. He's he's very very gifted his idea obviously is that he can go into new. Oh Hampshire and he can Kind of overturn. The Apple Cart. Their finish well well enough to slingshot into South Carolina. Where sixty percent of the vote is African American and he probably and in this sense? I think he's threatening to two candidates one is if if pete goes to New Hampshire devour will compete with him for some of the votes. That Pete is counting on. If I mean Pete goes to New Hampshire with momentum If if Biden is counting on South Carolina and Energize Davao. Patrick candidacy is a threat for those African American votes. That biden is counting on deval. Patrick has the ability to go into those African American churches and really connect with Some of these voters who are strongly four four Biden in part because of his partnership with Barack Obama while deval. Patrick can claim that as well having said all of that. I don't know where the funding comes from. I don't don't know where the organization comes from. I think I thought he'd be a very strong candidate at the beginning of the race. Going in now you know he runs the Ray The risk of of being sort of the rosy ruis of this election remember Rosie Ruiz. She was the woman who jumped on the tea during the Boston. Marathon at right mile twenty and wrote it to the finish line and then ran in and ultimately got A good analogy can see trying to hack it now. He's basically saying because resigned from the Boston media market. I can go. Pop New Hampshire Roller the African American votes in the south. I think the potential fatal flaw in that beautiful plan which looks good on paper deeper is I doubt he has any. I don't think he has nearly as much New Hampshire from his days as governor Massachusetts that he might think he does so the first Paul that comes out and shows a fifth in New Hampshire. Nobody cares because his story from the Boston media market so old then what little money he can will drive up because he'll be pitching this plan to donors and it'll will be tough. So yeah if he can if he can get top three and be the big upset story in New Hampshire perfectly top. Two he could bounce into real contention so high risk high reward award were see. I think he probably is overestimating his chances there. But you know we're no lot more about that in about a week's if he runs so that that was the tactics texts the just a last word on the message. My guess is that he will and this is why. He's competition for Buddha judge. He's going to go for that. Unity community a message and he is very very good at delivering that message. It was when I heard many times in Massachusetts so it's something to keep an eye on but uphill for both the new entrance. I WanNa get to our mailbag a lot of good questions there but before we do we've got a important message from our friends at policy genius. You Know David David as you. Well know I've got several mob-connected no show jobs and I was online with one of them. 'cause I got an email that it's the season right now. This is actually true. The season to elect elect benefits through your workplace your annual election so most people know open. Enrollment is a decision time for your healthcare coverage but it's also the perfect moment. Calment take a look and reassess your life insurance needs the properly provide for their families. Most people need ten times the life insurance that they get through their jobs which means your employer acquire life insurance may be leaving you underinsured. 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The Prisons Party tends to be punished. If you do well. And there's momentum surger attorney surge behind a president of one party that has the same effect back down the ballot so you always have some local races where the down ballot candidate has a particular identity or a weak opponent or something and can maybe buck the overall trend by a couple. Ah points but generally the presidential race does set the pick. And you know we've seen that even in some of the off your elections where lately Republicans have had a rough time. It's been pretty bad even down the ballot in those and we should point out that allow these districts are not in California which has a different system. But you know districts are gerrymandered tendered. People are self sorting so when you get down to these district level elections one party or the other tends to have An advantage and where it's close you know turn out matters. He brings a large turnout out in these districts. That could be helpful there. So yeah that's right but when it out the biggest factor in a complicated salad of factors is going to be the presidential race for most down ballot places now asks a question to you from Asia my question Russian is super premature. Seeing that we're still months away from Iowa awhile not that many months as you. That's a good question. Do you think there's any chance that the Democratic nominee will consider running owning ANA unity ticket in particular with a moderately conservative running mate. Help US Sanders or Warren ticket. Shift the conversation nation away from anti leftist fearmongering as I think I know where you are on this thing and toward a bipartisan message about trump's unique unfitness for office. So what do you think shotgun marriage between the progressives on a moderate. So it's interesting. I saw this question I was thinking I was in Arizona last week and I sat with Cindy McCain and we talked about the vice presidential choice in two thousand and eight and the fact that John McCain really wanted to pick Joe Lieberman to to signal a kind of national unity message Joe Lieberman being a Democrat. who to whom? He was close shared views on national security issues and was told that he couldn't get that candidate through the convention because of his positions on issues like choice and climate change. I don't know what would happen if I I don't think Sanders in Warren are likely to make such a choice because their theory of the cases that if you energize energize the Democratic base and with populist economics reach in to some of the trump base that you can you can win and I don't think that they are running on a kind of communitarian of platform Biden on the other hand. You know that would be more interesting strategy but he is. Ah I think he is going. If he were to be the nominee or Buddha judge were to be the nominee there would be A bit of unrest among the left and they would want to be be reassured. I'm not sure that going the fusion route. Be The answer so I in these very polarized times. I don't see this as a likely scenario. What's an interesting notion of play with but seems unlikely to me? What do you think all? It's an idea I don't really like is I'll tell you why. Unity tickets always really become in subtext. Text about disunity. Because they don't agree on anything and the press will constantly talk about you know. How can they ever get along so Bernie? If you're the vice president you can't be for into your stuff because the nominee he isn't and it becomes about differences all the ticket balancing stuff in the modern irritants to over think the appeal of the all the vp really is canvas upon which which voters can look at the decision making qualities of the president or the nominee. The smartest guy to ever deal with this was Clinton who instead of bouncing the ticket by picking hanging liberal northeasterner. Something understood that as a younger southern White Protestant he was gonNA sell generational change and good. DLC moderatism which worked by the way he wants so what did he do. He picked a worse version of himself to sell the category of is kind of candidacy. Picked Al Gore who was another generational southern wight Protestant moderate. So when in doubt pick yourself and have no daylight and one of these fusion things. There's a reason they call it. Cold Fusion doesn't work there are other models obviously Obama picked Biden who was not a carbon copy of himself. But I I take your point. You know an interesting thing would be you. You've heard you know Admiral mcraven Has Been Outspoken. And you know what if someone who was untested in the national security room. Picked someone who was You know that that's been mentioned as well. I think that's also unlikely. But maybe more likely than than a fusion ticket I would advise candidates not to think too much double down on a winning category and anyway we will see my guess is do the overeating thing because they almost always do But we'll find out so I think we have one more question near to our hearts so from Thomas. Thomas says our American voters so dumb that they need expensive TV ads to make their minds who to vote for. Where does where the where does all that donation money go? How is it spent Murphy? You are uniquely it qualified to answer that question because you've spent some money and your time. Yeah yeah the fantasy cheap negative attack here from my friend. axelrod and the Democratic credit tradition look communication is important because it campaign. Most of the whole deal boils down to a battle of new information. You're telling your story about you. You're telling your story about them and they're doing the same in reverse so it's not just TV ad it's digital it's mail it's it's all the ways campaigns. Do what we call voter contact and it's important as not that American voters are so dumb. It's at they crave information and TV answer stone effective way to do it now. The you know. Here's a quick question. Ever get a letter from McDonald's no you you'd see television. Ads are digital signage or whatever. So we're in a culture where we market that way okay and TV ads and digital and other paid media is one of the few things candidate hands filtered where they can they can tell their message now. Not always for good People people generally don't like those ads but they do you know assume the message. There's a great old joke in advertising. Circles about a market researcher was in a supermarket and and went up to a consumer and he asked her She was shopping there. Do you buy crest toothpaste because of our TV. ADS and the shopper. Got Irate until the market researcher researcher no no. I'm not Pavlov's dog. I'm not manipulated by your stupid jingles and you're stupid expensive. Waste all that money. That has nothing to do with my decision. I- colgate because I get twenty. Three percent fewer cavities with M. F. P. Flora. So long as it's about pushing out new ideas stuff that TV East Asians or digital providers or the post office charges money for is going to be useful to campaigns. One postscript to this is I agree with everything. You said. it is interesting. How mediaworks host this selection of nominees and prior? We did a lot of. We shifted a a lot of budget in two thousand and twelve from the fall to the spring on the theory. We could raise money back to to to patch catch the fall by because by the time you get to the fall television coverage of the racist so ubiquitous that it's hard to deliver new the information and people tend to default to the to the To the news that they see and other sources that are pummeling them rather than as you still can sort of microtarget people You know on cable. TV and digital. Who are still persuadable can happen? Pay Much attention but The ads tend to be more useful. I think earlier in the race and and certainly I I mentioned earlier when you're a new candidate introducing yourself. I mentioned the Buddha judge example in Iowa that can be very very useful. So that's where having money early can be really helpful. You get that feedback loop with the money moves the polls the polls makes the media show up to cover you and then you get the free thing and it becomes feedback. Look you know. Thomas had one other part this question. We ought to touch on Canna great candidate with a good baseball cap of website. Get elected you know. For example he goes into trump. Trump didn't spend that much amortizing which is true but trump was out here in Hollywood call pre aware title. That's why you see movies about comic books that people already know about you. Don't need as much money for TV advertising retiring that's why they make so many sequels lot cheaper to open ironman six because people know what it is then the amazing axelrod so you have to go. You know fooling with a lot of that that that sounds like a hit to me ask your thank you. The other. The thing is that trump's great inspiration. Was that if you let yourself unfair. Every day that you'll get covered on cable TV and I don't I don't know whether that he he was uniquely. You know he lives in an asbestos suit and Enjoys lighting himself on fire. I'm not sure that that model works for For everyone but So I I don't I he. He may be the exception that proves the rule about you know he was lucky. Because if you're on on NBC Primetime for ten years. Even if all you're doing is sitting in a fake cardboard boardroom being in charge. And you know firing Gilbert Godfried your looked like the charge guy and eh persona which you didn't have to pay a nickle for he got paid to create wasn't it was the right thing at the moment so anyway being famous helps and can bend the rules at TV. All right. I'll start with my last. College is a little shoutout to the good bishops of my church they elected did the first is Spanish president. Jose Gomez. WHO's the Bishop right here in Los Angeles who has been a hero defending immigrants from persecution? And I liked to see the church which I don't always agree on some issues but on this one stand up for the weekend social justice because it is a tragedy the way were trading reading immigrants to this country. Even people who fought under our flag are now being deported. Crazy and three cheers Catholic. Church were taken a stand with a very important symbolic Alec move with Bishop Gomez an appropriate last call on the day that the Supreme Court is hearing the DACA case. So good anew I I WANNA call out. I saw the other day a video that was done by a candidate. WHO's running for the Senate in South Carolina against Lindsey? Graham Jamie Jamie Harrison used to be the democratic chair down there and this ad was animated so it's hard to exactly picture it on in a podcast but the track itself was from a speech that he had made and The speech to me was really really good. It's what powers the AD. The visual visual was good. But take a listen to. This is a rural county in South Carolina but went down old dirt road shotgun in house and knocking on doors or African. American man came to his son. Who Will you what you want? I said Sir I'm Jamie has looked at taking as it sir this is the most consequential election and he said let me tell you he says you see that road that you you you drove Gopro as it yesterday. He said what kind of rose says a dirt road he says on that was a dirt rove and Ronald Reagan was president when both the Bush Mr President it was a dirt road and Bill Clinton and Barack Obama lose press son still got the under and until either Democrat or Republican pays my room. I don't WanNA deal Linnea shut into but then I started thinking about the most important thing to this was his dirt road. And you've heard all the political speeches people talking about doing this and that but nobody can still paid his throw. That road is symbolic for so many things for so many of us. It's a cross. This team might not be dirt rover the people in Allendale but it may be screened might not be dirt road for for the people in Bamberg could be their hospital. That don't wrote a song hardship that so many of us are suffering with across the state. I I remember a time when senators help the people they represent. I WANNA bring the spirit of helping back. We build the trust of those people. And that's why I'm I am running for the United States Senate so that's damn good messaging. Yeah I was taken by and I'm looking forward to the FCC fine we're GONNA get for the contribution here we're going to send him an invoice. It's good and if I know Lindsey Graham will be on a bulldozer heading for that road tomorrow. He is a fast mover. So no no that that's going to go viral and it's going to raise them some money tip O'Neill said all politics are local if you're running in a state where Donald Trump's gonNA run away with the state you want to localize the race I thought it was done really really well. L. Media in Adda Chicago did that. I know those guys. I didn't know they had until after but really really good all all right brother well with it'll be a few developments between now and we see each other again. We will but finally a few good words not my favorite ex-president but a patriot straight in his day. Jimmy Carter yes and under the knife or a tough operation. But he's a tough guys be cancer so we wish him well our hopes and prayers to him and the Carter family will see next week big democratic debate. Let's convene after and see WHO's standing in. Who's not absolutely were tune in? That'll be next. It's Wednesday nights so hacks instead of Tuesday will be next Thursday with our post debate spectacular and then after Thanksgiving so let's Let's talk then it'll be an interesting interesting debate. I'm looking forward to insults thrown barstool. You mean on the show or in the debate. We don't do that all right pal.

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Hour 3 - (08-09-19)

The Dan Patrick Show

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Hour 3 - (08-09-19)

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I haven't had meat and in eighty days so i can do a little sampling here. I got ease into remember when we went to the bar that day. Paulie and seton was a vegetarian aaron. This was way way back my longtime ago yes and all of a sudden we looked over seating is taking a bite out of a burger and we all went well checking. My notes seat was a vegetarian for a few years then he wanted to fenway park and fell off the wagon with some sausage on on yawkey way. I think that's a story yeah yes sausage and pepper sandwich after a couple of pops and it was like just the best thing that ever smelled and we had been i'd been talking to my wife a little bit about like <hes> <music> might i might get back on board and that was just did i was like sausages a notorious gateway meet once you eat and ease him if he had a turkey burger. I sorry i could go back but this was st meet yeah yeah. The guy had a little cart and man do they. Nothing tastes better in that moment then when you have one of those meals. You may not have it at any other time but there's certain times when you go man. This just makes sense yeah. It was perfect is standing on a street corner in boston split in a sausage and pepper sandwich meal this girl i'm like this is great man yeah post fenway a few times but i thought it was kind of like wrigley field the fenway outdoor area. They had this like pedestrian street with street vendors out there degrade joe. It's almost better outside the stadium than inside these same at fenway. It's really neat. Isn't there a hotel in might might be called eastern standard. It's right around the guests. The restaurant a seafood stakeout and you can stay there guy stayed there and i remember going up with my family and i stayed there at that hotel and had a great restaurant and then you just walk around the corner and you're right there at fenway really convenient going to see the blowfish again on saturday night madison square garden and an encore performance. Apparently they want me on stage for the final song of the night. They didn't ask me but it's just assumed after all these years. I've sort of earned it. Are you on the marquee in front of mattis. I don't think so it'd be nice if i was featuring houdini blowfish dan patrick trich and feet dan patrick. You're right yes. Are you gonna get onstage in madison square garden and sing a song. No no no. I'm gonna be playing the bongos. Okay okay okay so you'll play an instrument yeah. You're not gonna get a microphone this time. There's a microphone available. It's just that only wanna be with. You is not in my vocal range so i yea. I want to be fair to those who came to see that song. You can ask them to change the key. No i wanted them to change the song if they could but i don't i think they're going to change it to like ring a fire by johnny cash or low rider by war and it was only like three or four songs that i can probably get into that key get on stage and madison square garden and play. I haven't played the garden before major milestone c._e._o. I know i did say that to darius rucker. I said do man. We're playing the garden. I said yeah and i don't know 'cause normally i get on the side of the stage stage because then i can kind of come and goes like i choose if used the boys room or get a beer and in. It's just so close when they start to do the encore encor. You just walk out. There's no security. I mean buddy. The security guy is watching. If somebody tackles darius i slip right by he didn't even see me yeah fritzy now are they gonna announce you coming up to the state and i'm just going to sneak up there and stop playing. He's gonna ladies and gentlemen dan patrick nine. That's not what i'm doing. I'm doing it to help the band. It's really about my craft and i want to be up there to help them hands. Were kind of beat up the other day from doing that. Yeah and you know that's a small price to pay to give people pleasure as only i can and i may have to go now. I may go down and part of the pleasure is i won't sing okay. I'm not gonna say i only want. I mean you know it's not. It's not in my book range. It's got to be a little bit lower and i told darius that but i do say things into the microphone because he can hear it in his ears and i'll just go like darius and just to drive him. Crazy dolphin stink only wanna be with who and then you can just see him because he's trying to concentrate sing and then i try to get head a little trying to be a professional and i'm not i'm not trying to be a professional there but i will bang on the drums all day. Doc is i don't want to work. I just wanna bang on the drums old. My sister and her friends are attending the concert. I'm going to tell her to train her camera on the back of the stage for which the carl only only wanted to be with you got it yeah. I think that's what they're going to end with tonight. Yes a big one for them. It was my wanna close at that yeah. It was a big one for us. We're playing the garden to look on his face because he was thinking. It didn't fit in right away and he's like wait. We we're man. I can't believe we're playing the garden back to back nights but then we're going to los angeles on sunday and then doing our show in los angeles all next week and their plan two nights at the garden so i don't get to see them on on sunday night so be fun. Be fun to see them again not like i haven't seen them in a week or or so. Vanilla ice the only home improvement expert on television who's won two american music awards. People's choice award been nominated for a grammy but l. isis back on on d._i._y. Network every saturday night tricking out tired old homes and giving them a high end remix this saturday it's bath night. Ice brings all the blame to make a throne own room fit for a king vanilla ice project saturday night only on d._i._y. Network jay in south carolina is aboard hi jay. What do you have for me today. Dan five nine one seventy five twenty years ago. I called you spoke with you and john clayton asked you when the browns we're. We're gonna make it back to the a._f._c. Championship game and from away their chances to go to the super bowl and <hes> you guys gave me some great insight so here's my question now all was preseason hype <hes> if the browns don't make it this year what are the odds that the work stoppage next year is going to ruin their browns dream and be another cleveland disaster. I wouldn't worry about a work stoppage too much money at stake. It feels like everybody's playing nice. I don't i don't i know there's always that possibility ability. I know the n._f._l. Owners want to get this deal done sooner than later and from what i was told a couple things in play <hes> they want to you know tap into what could be the last time they take advantage of these great t._v. Deals and also obvious told that there are some owners who think that there will be a recession come come january that there will be a slowdown and they wanna get this deal done before then. That's just the intel that i got on this but i if you're a browns fan. I don't know what is going to satisfy you because of the hype and look is the hype warranted yeah it is. This is a fun team personalities odell adele beckham junior. You know there's a lot going on here plus. There's a hunger for this story to be great. You know that's that's another thing. It's not just locally this is nationally stanley nationally. The cubs were a national story three years ago. They were local but it became national. That's where it's different. When you start to see a story here's story locally. It's a big story when it gets to the national level. That's when you've made it. That's when you have these talk shows and they are featuring the browns showing video of the browns talking about the browns leading their shows with the cleveland browns but if you don't get to the a._f._c. title game. Are you going to be disappointed and and you probably will be but you shouldn't because this leap this is a historical leap that we're talking about here and that's where i go easier easy as long as the patriots are still in the a._f._c. and there's going to be other teams. There'll be a couple of surprises. There are every year. The browns aren't going to surprise anybody those surprise people if they don't play well yes mclovin. I despise a._f._c. championship game but i'm just saying in a wildcard would be a big enough step wouldn't it it would it'd be for me because i have reasonable expectations. I think they'll underperformed over perform this year if they get to nine wins. I'd say all right. That's that's a great building block and maybe there's a playoff appearance baby. It's a wild card but is it also how how it ends like if they go into the playoff and get boat raced in the first game like okay. They're not ready for primetime. It's almost like how the season ends not necessarily where you could be like. The colts season was a great season last year and then it didn't end well in kansas city. You know meanwhile the chiefs they were going to win the game and go to the super bowl so it was it was going to even if they lost but they did lose but even losing how they lost is it's fluky offsides besides we had an interception. We were going to beat them now. That can frustrates you a little bit but you're also saying we easily could have won the super bowl last here and they don't make love but the calls fell lakes has a feel good story that even got that far away. Nobody cared that after a while the feel good story becomes the the expectation tation level is what is ratcheted up and you sort of leave the feel good story. I remember asking people about jacksonville and if i said hey you're going to go to the the a._f._c. title game with a chance to go to the super bowl but you're going to lose. Would you sign up for that. At the start of the year. Everybody says the same thing of course course and then you lose in dramatic fashion. You think you should be going to the super bowl and then you're not and then. Everybody feels like oh what a lost lost season. I just looking back at the box score the a._c._c. title game. The chiefs scored twenty four points in the fourth quarter and up losing overtime. Do it just felt like it was finally there's patriots are filing into go away. Baker mayfield and cleveland browns after last night. Here's baker mayfield talking about the time and place for a fast paced offense vince you know. I think there's a time for it but in our division we got to be able to slow the clock down to run the ball need to you know there's there's situations where yeah we can. I the temple a little bit and i think you know let's forget comfortable in that <hes> we can be pretty good at playing fast and having success but we gotta be good at all. It's all about tempo you know when you see teams that hurry up and then the defense has to hurry up. I always love that team. That's able to push the accelerator ease off the accelerator. I want you off balance there and if you have that ability to speed it up do your two minute drill prior to the two minute drill and then you come back and then you run the football. Now patriots are famous for doing that like quarter to a quarter now. They're going to be a running team and all of a sudden quick passes. You know so pretty pretty interesting how they're able to control the tempo mclovin yeah last night. The brown started with a two minute drill. Always say baker basically was in shock on the whole time. Apparently i guess a lot. The teams are leaned that do you think the air raid and all that stuff. Is you expect even more this year. I know we've been saying the spread is here and the n._f._l. But if cliff kingsbury and kyla murray and those this guys you think it's possible we're gonna see much more that. I know you love those saturday college days. You think we could see a lot of that this year. Well you also have to have the right people. In place. It goes back to the whole argument the concept of the golden state warriors. Hey why don't more teams play like the golden state warriors too because they don't have the talent the golden state warriors do can you do what arizona's going to do. Can you replicate that well. You have to have kyla murray and there's no kayla marie in the league. I mean who is who is close to kyla kylo. Murray russell didn't kyla murray is run that office in college homestead a lotta guys graham herald right read but they don't run it with the ability to run the football football actual running because those guys weren't running threats that that's the difference with this. I don't think cliff kingsbury needs a running quarterback. I think i'm not sure how much you think kyron. We talked about this a little bit. Yeah i would have design runs for him. Like why would i take advantage of what he does as well as anybody to protect them i i mean it's the but if they're designed runs but i just want you honest with that that possibility of he may run because if i suck you up and then he throws behind behind you like all of those things it doesn't feel like it matters in the first quarter second quarter. It's like when you start to hit somebody with body blows and then you're going all all right well. Is that going to take a toll and then you get to the latter rounds you get to the fourth quarter. Those body blows have taken a toll and then all of a sudden you're able to who have a decided advantage over your opponent john mclaughlin yeah that sounds like russell wilson and cam newton both really good in the fourth quarter yeah yeah tim tebow would win in the fourth quarter. I yeah i don't. I wonder if you just said to tim. Tebow just run the two minute drill like the entire game run the two minute drill because he was not an every down quarter. You don't really find that too many times where you go. You know it's a quarterback. He's not an every down quarterback. Yes paulie russell wilson last year in quarter for the first quarter last year of all the games sixty seven yards second quarter seventy five yards rushing third quarter seventy four yards rushing fourth quarter the last year one hundred seventy four yards rushing heated off forty five percent of his rush was in the fourth quarter and they are always asking him to do something and kyla marriage the same thing thing. They're going to ask him to singlehandedly. Keep drives alive. You know their team is not as good as seattle's was when russell wilson was starting out out but i think they'll be and i don't know how much pressure is attached to him because he's not playing for a good team but i think they'll be expectation levels for him and then i've had people already ask well. What do you think is a fantasy quarterback. I don't know what kind of league you're in. You're in a p._r. I i but i i'm not in that but is he going to throw touchdowns yeah but not as many as you think is he going to run for touchdowns yeah. He might be running for more than you think. Those running quarterbacks are fantasy gold yeah. We've all gotten those guys before. How many touchdowns does cam newton have running is he up to almost seventy rushing touchdowns. Does that sound right. Yes the all time record already right and i think so but i think he'll if you look at his stance. He's going into the hall of fame because i i think not enlarge part but certainly you have to give a a nod to his running stats here. Paulie cam has four thousand eight hundred rushing yards in his career. He's twenty nine years old what he has fifty eight rushing which is about six year yeah. He's gonna end up with how many how many rushing yards do you think six thousand six thousand no problem is the average is about seven hundred six hundred a year. How many how many passing yards does he have because he s grape. Oh god how <hes> how many years i have no idea eight years done eight years. I'm gonna go twenty three thousand twenty eight thousand okay fifty nine percent passer sir right. You've got to get that up to sixty well. Last year was his best because he was all check down sixty eight percent passer last year by far the best of his career and and all the passes were short it was also his lowest yards per attempt of his yeah and that was by design because they brought in this patriot offense and <hes> <hes> yeah the shoulder issue as well and i wonder if you know do you run. Are you consciously subconsciously. Protecting that shoulder so cam may be different in camps already said hey. I want to caution everybody. You know i still got some work to do here. Coming out of the gate shoulders are tricky. Oh man they tricky yeah. Mikla cam and andrew luck have <unk> hall of fame careers but maybe if they i worry the cam might not have much longevity. Okay who is more of a surefire hall of famer right. Now is ahead of think of m._v._p. One m._v._p. That would be my first and right. Now is interesting because if you said right now andrew luck has had a he had one great year in a couple of good ones in a couple of injured once and now he's on the second half was gruny looks great well except for the calf muscle. That's you know that's kind of hanging around a little too long for me where you're going okay. It's just calf injury. I like how it with a calf injury. You know it's it's not as sexy as a knee injury or shoulder. It's just a calf injury. Like what are you using that for anyway yup but andrew lock had had the least amount of sacks of a starting quarterback for sixteen games last year. That's a great stat. Finally finally they short of the offensive line. It's like having a great car and you. You don't have a great engine or vice versa. I got this unbelievable engine man but the there's so much rust on this body. It's not gonna hold up. You know you're trying to protect that engine and <hes> pulled finally got around to doing them nineteen. 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Either learn more at discover dot com slash credit scorecard limitations apply this just in and bleacher report tiger woods withdrawals from the first around the fedex cup playoffs due to an oblique strain so i guess he didn't even get out there to tee it up for today second round right before the round he w._d. Okay okay. He looked like he was disinterested and in pain. It didn't look like he was <hes> in he had full confidence. Even when this started arted and he was in the pro-am he was just chipping and putting in the pro-am he didn't even hit drivers yes for to their reporting golfing futures looking oblique. Oh okay. I see see what you did. We do hope that he'll get things. It's late on a friday. I'm going to accept it oblique. I'm gonna i'm gonna let the the goal all right <hes>. Do you have anything from tiger their policy statement from tiger due to a mild oblique strain that led to pain and stiffness. I have to withdraw from the northern trust. I went for treatment early friday morning but unfortunately i'm still unable to complete complete elite heat sorry who knows where their oblique czar todd. Do you know where your leaks are down on the lower side. Take your shirt off it. It's it's right there. Yeah you're oblique tiger. He had the the gluten issue before now. It's the oblique sir. It's a game operation with tiger but i i didn't think he sounded like he was too into golf and he cares about four weeks out of the year with with the majors there was so much hope last year when he won this event and then you had people saying hey he's going to be one of the favorites if not the favourite at the masters which turned out to be true. Can you think of a more infamous cheater in the history of sports then rosie ruis. She was caught cheating in the nineteen eighty marathon. She passed away today at the age is sixty six according to an obituary she had been battling cancer for a decade but she was twenty seven years of age when she brought out several red flags to question her victory. She had a record setting setting time spectators notice. She barely looked like she had broken a sweat in the boston marathon. They didn't remember seeing her. During the first twenty five miles of the race speaking to reporters following the race ruiz was unable to answer questions about her training that most competitive runners would know all about. They said that they missed all the <hes> checkpoints. They're the mystery women's winner so they spotted spotted her reentering the cores from the sidelines about a mile from the finish line. Maybe that's why she didn't look like she had broken a sweat because she hadn't hadn't broken a sweat. She was also caught cheating in the new york city marathon the previous year so she didn't show up on footage from video cameras set up along the course. She rode the subway blais. A woman said she wrote the subway with three weeks to the finish line bev odd number so she did train for the event. I'll oh i see what you're okay alrighty two and a half hours you got it. Thank you toddler yep yep. If you watch the broadcast outcasts the boston marathon the the announcers dumbfounded but they don't accuse her of cheating at any point everyone's celebrating or they're wrapping around giving a flower she's on the podium and she's she doing interviews and and she wasn't really sweating that much and there's almost like she's pretending the pants like miming two years after getting in college at the boston marathon. She went to jail for a week five years probation. She stole sixty thousand dollars from a real estate company where she worked the next year three three more years of probation charged with trying to sell two kilos of cocaine to an undercover detective in miami seems like there's a pattern here but <hes> rosie ruis. She always maintained that she won the race cleanly and never gave back the metal received that day. That's okay who's the biggest cheater in. I know somebody's gonna say barry bonds armstrong lance armstrong worldwide. Would you say that yes yeah but when it comes to somebody's cheating if there's anything that has to do with the race rosie ruiz. His name always comes up. Can you think of a bigger more infamous cheater lance armstrong's number one mclovin you. I think the embarrassing guys like phil niekro who tried tried to pretend through a joni crony raises sandpaper out of the back of what was rife with the guy caught on file emery board or something like that. Sammy sosa with the super bowl is bad. That was mistake honest mistake. I know i love that. No i only use that for batting practice really got to bat full of super bowls for batting practice. Yes fritzy. I don't think it was intended because i love him but george brett pine tar incident. What is a very infamous moment. That wasn't cheating but yankees thirty was yeah but it wasn't. I'm talking about somebody who cheated the outcome for something you you know actually winning something george win anything that day or later on efforts mike scott and what supposedly he was never caught him but the destroying the mets in the eighty six and they'll see they never caught him. It was all rumor innuendo that he was skull from the baseball's. It's probably we lance armstrong one that stood out. I just looked up danie l. monte. The little league was above age and smoking everybody in new york the bronx yet when he had that moustache. I said that might be a giveaway guys that he might not be the age that he says he is pulling off to the ballpark in car. He's driving a bunch of kids. Get shut up kid man. He's gotta deep voice for all deck for a twelve year old. Don't you remember when you <hes> like playing high school basketball or something and you'd show up to the gym and some of the kids on that team had a mustache. You'd be like all we're going to get killed today. Yup and those guys stayed the same size like that was is it yeah they had peaked and there were like thirteen or fourteen key. Twenty one's got a mustache. No we had a guy in our eighth grade team and i remember greg had facial hair and we were like you know god. He's he's like he's great but he stayed the same. He didn't get get a better after his eighth grade like <hes> puberty because it's tough yeah you're like you know you're a freshman or whatever and you're playing against seniors or juniors or whatever kids kids that are just more developed and you're like i was four ten. You know one hundred pounds in like a little skinny arms and you got no nothing going on yeah. Paulie ben johnson sprinter was seoul olympics against carl lewis yeah broke the world record canada stripped. I think two days later they call them. Yeah yeah some pretty infamous cheaters. They're all right. We'll get phone calls eight seven seven three d._p. Show email address t._p._s. Dan patrick dot com. I'm the washington redskins unveiled their first run quarterback to wayne haskins out of ohio state. He had some good moments he had some bad moments. Here's his head coach jay gruden trying to you sound a little bit more like his brother john. There were moments that he looked very good. Obviously there's a couple of throws there that you wish she had back a couple of things with the protections <hes> we gotta get cleaned cleaned up but first starting n._f._l. First opportunity to play you know it's not gonna go perfectly and it didn't he did have one throw where i was really impressed with his arm arm strength and i said this from the first hour. You've got to get out of that. Huddle you gotta get up to the line of scrimmage and take inventory. You gotta be quicker at doing that because then that helps your offense and with their judgments if they're going to change anything and a that was something that i noticed there and watching and you're watching and you can't help but overreact where you see customer do something and you've got strong arm there. He didn't throw the ball over the middle of the field. I wanted to see that and we've been waiting for months to see this from kyla. Murray daniel jones daniel jones looked good in a lot of it is sometimes not necessarily if the throw compl-. I just wanna know your composure. What is it. What is it like when you when you see them out there on the field. Do they look like they're in over their heads or do you have somebody who's just sort of taking it in and daniel jones did what you would want if you're giants fan you got what you wanted. Did you see when he threw the touchdown and the camera you had <unk> manning on camera all they were ready like hey. This guy throws a touchdown. You gotta make sure you go to eli and gave you. That look like somebody's gonna ask me about this. Yeah mclovin was it. Someone's going to ask you about this. Oh man now. I'm gonna lose my job. What was it was so obviously strained cabbie well. He's going to lose his job. The question is not if but when but he didn't stay around to talk to the media and nobody got a chance to say hey what did you think of daniel jones performance their ally apple any other line of work where you're going to lose your job to someone someone but you had to stay and and do a little more and then you you're gonna be replaced by him. Any day and we get to watch you. Yes react to the person who's going to take your the job he could asked about it afterwards every day be like if i had a co host here and every day you know they brought in the co host. They get a little more time. People say nicer things about them and then you realize that he or she is going to move over into this chair eventually and then i'll be out. That's what it's like for eli. He knows it's happening. It's right in front of him. He can see it every single day not a matter of if but when and let me see kirk in illinois hey kirk. What do you have for me. Oh hey dan <hes> first time long time. Just <hes> wanted to see what you thought about. Trubisky was going to be a make or break year form well. I wanna know if they're gonna let him. They're gonna let him play or is that who you know. Mitch trubisky is i don't he might be a big quarterback. He may not be a franchise quarterback but you know maybe it's you know oh. You're happy with the be quarterback if i said he can give you andy dalton like numbers. Are you okay with that. Do you expect more out of mitchell trubisky. I know you expect more because he was a high draft. Pick here and gave up a lot to go up and get him. I don't know if nagy is just going to say go out. There and let's open it up because i don't remember a bears quarterback who's ever been allowed to just open it up. Mean even jim mcmahon didn't open it up. They were a running team team and you know normally they'll site that conditions chicago is always wear. Wide receivers went to die in those conditions in the elements. Even i know aaron rodgers in brett farve could throw in the conditions of green bay. Apparently you can't find somebody to throw in the conditions at chicago. I would like to see what trubisky has. He's he's more athletic than you think and there were times when i watched him. I said those are great place. No matter who it is those are great plays. I wanna see how consistent and are they truly passing team. They go to be a passing team a pass first team. Those are the things i'm curious about with nagy and trubisky apple. Trubisky was in the lower third of n._f._l. Quarterbacks and attempts per game last year he had four hundred thirty four attempts in fourteen games so about four fifty for the season. That's not a lot but he did well all in those. He was a sixty seven percent passer twenty four touchdowns ten twelve picks and he ran for five hundred yards almost five hundred. That's what's going to kill him. He care he ran way too. The fans love it and kept. I can't tell you how many games he kept alive because of running and they may have overachieved last year because of his running. I heard that story a million times yeah i know but when you choose to run i if you run and slide or run and get out of bounce like you always have that that option and not enough quarterbacks down through the years have taken you know have sided with. That's the best way that's the best course of action here. I don't take any contact. Don't get the extra yard. No you don't get you know extra points for degree of difficulty. All manny fought for that extra yard now carson wentz. I gotta get in the end zone against the rams okay. You didn't have to get in there. I like that my quarterback can take punishment but i want the punishment you take to be when you're in the pocket. If it happens there then i understand it. Don't bring on more punishment if you can avoid it. Andrew luck famously said if i threw an interception i wanted to go tackle the guy who made the interception. That's not smart because there there are defensive coordinator who say when there's an interception get the quarterback. Whatever whatever you do somebody ready. Get the quarterback because now it's fair game and if you if you know that as a quarterback then you would probably just roll over you know be in the fetal position or take the peyton manning way out. I don't think anybody tried less on a tackle then peyton manning and he and he wasn't even trying trying to hide it. I think he was just being smart. Like okay got you interception. I'm going to try to swipe at your there and it's almost like you know that a rod swipe against varitek. It's like just trying to just touch you tag got you but then there's those times like the ben rothlisberger tackle. Were talking about yesterday a against the colts where it was him or nothing and if you watch that plague yesterday the defensive back could have easily cut around blue big dumpy rothlisberger and somehow ben got upon them. I think the i think the defensive back ran into rothlisberger i. I don't know if ben was tracking him down and i'm gonna tackle you who was that that had that return that wasn't <hes> bob was the defensive back who was always hurt. Not bob sanders bob sanders in that that play away but that's when bus fumbled in that when the steelers went to detroit and in one that's super bowl for bussey in his hometown. Yeah fritzy beat seattle. How did they really beat seattle. I forget who that defensive back was but all he had to do was just bounce outside a little bit and he was long gone. I will close up shop here arcade fire on the trigger meet friday. If you're curious what is on the trigger we will show you. We'll go out to our a grilling patio here. 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Thank you for downloading subscribing at of course supporting and now back to the show stay tuned for sixty seconds a._b._c. news headlines right after this podcast i close up shop the way we always do with arcade fire and obviously the tragedies around the country in one certainly hitting close to home for me with those who were murdered food in dayton ohio. I almost said that you get numb but i hope i never get numb when i hear the news of these tragedies because we can't afford to get numb to it but when i saw that story unfolding in the oregon district and that's a that's an area that i used to go to it's a very lively social place salata bars restaurants there and <hes> to see that unfold in dayton ohio <hes> and the other places as well but can't afford to you get numb alrighty. Let's see we're in los angeles next week. Guest in los angeles todd among the luminary stopping by eric dickerson marcellus us wildly chris harrison bill hater l. michael steve austin and several more hopefully bill hader all going to join us in the el segundo studios next week <music>. Are you going to be able to keep your laugh in check hater okay. I'll try because bill hader made you laugh out loud. I know so bill hader will come by and i love berry. That's great show you know. That's one of those shows where you've read the description. Bill hater is a what do you call it a killer killing hitman. I'll say well that makes no sense because bill bill hader is like a funny likable guy hi. This is a terrible idea for a show and it's great. I didn't watch the first season because i thought there's no way bill. Hader is going to convince me that he is a hitman and and then i watched and i went he convinced me. He did a great job years ago. We met aaron paul the actor from breaking bad right when breaking bad was about to come out and we madam at the miami super bowl and he goes yeah. I'm an actor and we're like what kind of show you working on. He goes well. A high school. Science teacher becomes a meth dealer like and i remember talking to the guys make what a terrible idea network tv and that won't even get on t._v. As what a terrible idea and now they're doing the is it. The prequel to breaking bad or is this post breaking bad the the movie that will come out because it features aaron paul. I think it's about him. I don't know if it's before her or after breaking bad yes for the initial title is soon to be breaking beds. It must be a prequel based on the. I'm kidding titles. You're on a roll bad soon into that kind of gives it away before breaking but i know but you have five more minutes to go. Gotta get a couple of doubles. You know things are looking oblique photography. Yeah thank you tom. 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You're explaining the situation while the police officers approaching the car for what he's going to be getting a ticket for still uh-huh and i said to peter let me talk to the officer because then i could say look i called him and it's my bad i should have known that he was in his car rental car taking it back like something but <hes> he didn't <hes> i'll talk to mr steinbrenner. Now i got to explain. I thought i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you to take the next three minutes off. Okay you took the first hour and a half off then you came on the first hand to you're right about eleven eight eastern tuncay not necessarily oh <unk> actually true golden road moment of the week brought to you by golden road. Thaad mango cart will pop session i._p. Perfect beers for hot summer days available in all all fifty states mango cart light wheat ale bursting and i mean bursting with fresh mango. I like mango good guy. Golden roads wolf. Pup is a riff on session i._p. 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The third greg williams might be crazy but he knows how to build a great the defense and he's not the cleveland browns defensive coordinator polling only the inclement weather last night. It stopped daniel jones yeah when you know at my house when i saw clouds coming and i go wow we supposed to have rain and then i check the weather forecast said like eight o'clock nine o'clock ten o'clock thirty forty fifty percent and and i was watching the giants game and all of a sudden it was like oh no more football going to be plagued. What did i learn todd. Huddle creek seems rush that the line last night t._b._s. Is is your home for baseball on sundays. Watch the angels taking on the red sox sunday at one eastern only on t._b._s. Thanks for the phone. Calls emails tweets all around support. We will talk to you. I'm from los angeles coming up next week. 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