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Is True Love Forever

Maya's Collection of Love Stories and More

03:06 min | 1 year ago

Is True Love Forever

"Is true love. Forever is love's supposed to last forever. I mean any kind of love. Some would say an absolute yes to this question. Son was say that when you love someone like a child or remain friends of family members that this is it. Some some people are more inclined to the spiritual religious views <hes> to believe that love is forever here on this earth but also in the hereafter where they are reunited. What what do you believe. I don't think that anyone thinks or expects that their relationships with their loved ones will grow apart over before ever broken you ever think that that that beautiful being the hilton their arms would ever be someone that any number of reasons not be part of their lives. I don't think that a couple who made a commitment possibly in front of family and friends think that they will grow apart and go. Oh the separate ways the same would be full friends that are like family and just like family that grows apart they are no longer there are even people who who for some reason or the other begin to distance themselves from their own spiritual religious views but as this lack of expectation that love doesn't last s. forever more of a modern view if you born out of the idea that if things don't fit just right that you should replace them if you don't get concentrated vacation than love doesn't exist. Is that what was saying if people are not physically close enough than love can last forever. Is that what we're saying or the or did we just live in a fantasy through most of history. Maybe it would be like to think that love up death forever. If it is true love and love that you have chosen to give forever in your mind heart and soul. I believe it can change and transform as we change and transform ourselves. We can still care love. Marriages relationships are no longer the the <unk> said the same way in your life for example this self destructive friend a relative. You can still love them but the devastation ship is now the one that lives in your heart and the memories you share the relationship no longer exists where that person rosen is inactive part of your physical world in this way love does last forever this the saying you shouldn't throw out the bath bathwater would the baby love to me is the same way changes do not make disposal if it is just that it is a change. Would you ever really i changed the good memories. Could you really. I don't think so remember that. Although life may bring you many storms love always wins the next time stay will.

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04:04 min | 7 months ago

Arrowcody music freestyle singing

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Andrew Rosen

From Scratch

31:08 min | 1 year ago

Andrew Rosen

"I'm Jessica Harris. This is from scratch. My guest is is Andrew. Rosen Co founder of theory a contemporary clothing company initially for Young Professional Women. Andrew launched theory in nineteen ninety-seven with his his partner. Elie Tahari using Lycra as a breakthrough stretch fabric that they incorporated into the company's Close Andrews considered one of the pioneers ears in the American fashion industry investing in and mentoring other fashion companies such as Alice Anna Libya rag-and-bone among others welcome. Oh come thank you. A lot of other companies to about a pioneer either. Now maybe we could say that about my grandfather. My father which is exactly exactly where I want to start your grandfather's Arthur and he came from Russia and he started the Puritan Dress Company. One thousand nine ten. which basically loss does your whole family's lives into the fashion world? He was known he was a good garment cutter. What exactly is a garment cutter? Mike like my grandfather started in the cutting room. The cutting room is the place where fabrics are laid out and the pattern. Pieces of the dresses are are laid on top and he cut out the patterns. Cut Out the pieces today. It's all done by machinery but back then it was done by hand in the precision of Howard was done the speed in which was done like anything else There are those that are more skilled than others. The company he founded in One Thousand Nine Hundred Ten in Waltham Massachusetts was called the Puritan Dress Company. I kept thinking as I was learning about you that I'd love to see some of his dresses. And you know what goes around comes around and while it might have been out of style for the last hundred years there might be a reemergence of a Puritan dress. I mean there's this Bohemian aesthetic and I'm not very missed out in the style. GIC in that way and so My father never kept any. I never kept her You know I think that Maybe maybe my attitude is more always looking to the future instead of mom instead of dwelling on the past. I don't know whether I ever saw any of the clothes. But he was making and selling retail dresses for two ninety nine three ninety nine. That's two dollars and ninety nine cents three dollars and ninety nine cents. You know a very different time. I'm in a very different Arab but as I look back and see close in the nineteen hundreds and early and mid nineteen hundreds. They're very inspired. So your father. Carl took over the business from Arthur or or work together with his father and and I feel like the company Puritan Curtain Dress Company. which became puritan? Fashions kind of wasn't an innovator. It had mini skirts in the nineteen sixties Even cocktail dresses says before. Then the Gloria Swanson. Can you speak to that like that forward leaning posture you know. My Dad was always sort of very innovative in terms. Of what what he did and how he did it he was fair flamboyant and he was the first one he used to buy designs from the famous French designers and and bring them back and recreate them here on. He did the deal with Gloria Swanson to deal with Chris. Everett to make tennis clothes and ultimately the Ah The big deal did designer jeans with Calvin Klein in In the mid one thousand nine hundred seventy so. My father was always sort of innovating things things and trying to evolve and change the way people People dressed in looked at fashion. That was is about my early life. I remember him doing a deal with the Beatles. And we'd have all these beetle t shirts and beetle hats and everything back in the nineteen sixties and. You mentioned that you know He. It was innovative and evolve constantly evolving. It seems like he was like that in his personal life to. Can you speak to his kind of personality. Side of Work Rousselot Lot flashier than I was fancy cars. Maybe even a little fancy addressed. I'm I'm a little more low key but he just was larger than life life and you know a character that sort of we rarely see today and I think maybe it went with the times and he was incredible person and and a great father to be and such a great friend to so many people in My Dad has passed away thirty five years. Now there would be frequently people come up to me and say I remember Your Dad or your dad did this sir. You know. It's really nice to have that memory in that legacy even though my lost my dad when I was relatively young at twenty I miss him but there was never an empty feeling he just he stayed with me in my life for for all these years and I think part of it is that obviously I followed it. An industry after him I also am very interested in thoroughbred had racing and breeding which was also passionate by DADS. And although I do think I'm I'm quite different than my dad. A lot of my interests in the a lot of my way of thinking so on You know it comes from the same place. There's very little rebellion an on your part. It seems I yeah. I was not a rebellious child at all. I was the youngest of four children. And I guess I was always sort of hanging around my mom and dad and you they'd have to take me on chips and so on. My next sister is three years older than me so I was sort of the baby that was always. Maybe a little special rebellion was not part of anything I thought or whatever. What about your mother? My mother was really fantastic. Antastic woman very different than my dad and sort of way she was. She was pretty private but very eccentric and very creative and now I sort of picked up from my mom this whole love of the garden and landscaping in the outdoors and so on a lot of that is what I love to do at at my home in Southampton New York or some sort of a surreal landscape for that way that I got from my mom but my mom was very stylish. Should you know had a great sense of style both in our homes and in the way she dressed in. You know it's really terrific later. She passed away now three years years ago and you know up until the time she passed away. I used to speak to her three times a week. And what's her name Shirley Rosen in fact all all of the my codes and all you know you now need to have codes on. Everything is my the year my mother was born. Oh so I always can remember now. I know what you're typing on your. ATM IGNORE ATM machine instinctively. You're drinking up the the fashion industry just by being around your father And your grandfather. What are some of your most prominent M- memories of being with him at work you know? Even before I went to work work. I remember running around my my grandfather's trust factory in Waltham and going through the dresses and just experiencing sort of that whole factory part of the business. I remember my dad bringing close home us rummaging through them and I also remember when I was as young. My Dad would always have business people over the house and just sitting there and observing and not really understanding what was going on but just soaking it all in so to speak. So it's true like from an early age And I don't think my dad ever. He never wanted me or ever said anything. Anything about me going into the business to follow him. In fact he said quite the opposite. There were some flirtation with becoming a professional golf player. You dropped out of college judge You went to the University of Miami University Miami and I'm a college in Palm Springs California. I'm basically to play a lot of golf. Where's their a a pivot moment or turning point where you said okay? I'm I'm leaving and joining. The business was actually my hyung-chol who said to me one day. I was playing golf with my uncle and California and that's basically what I was doing was playing golf. I was nineteen years Zoltin. Bongo said to me when he when when are you going to get serious and go to work for your father and stop playing golf every day. That sort of how that happened. My Dad add sort of put together an interesting career for me because I started working in a knitting mill in Long Island and From there I went due to Address factory in New Bedford Massachusetts and sort of got to see the industry from a from an angle. That people wouldn't get the opportunity to see today and and and very rarely Learn sort of the way everything worked from the inside out and You know was able to spend time on the sewing floor with with the pattern makers with With the cutters with the in the warehouse shipping. And and really you. Oh you know understand technically a lot of not only what happens there. But how those people think and how to relate to them and so I spent like a year and a half doing doing that and then I came to New York and and It was at the time that my data done the deal with Calvin Klein came to New York and worked in the showroom. Just says a as a sales assistant really sales person it was one of the most revolutionary things that happened back in the nineteen nine thousand nine hundred seventy s and with the shields commercial and all that kind of thing and so it was just an amazing experience and exposure and WanNa speak more about this jeans. Was the changing agents for the business in a way. Puritan did a licensing deal with Calvin Klein that really caused the the company's profits to escalate. And you speak about that My Dad had a company that in the in the nineteen seventies was doing around three hundred billion dollars in sales and every year would eke out a small profit and was made up of ten different dress. Companies isn't a lot of factories all over the US and lots of employees and so on and you know it was a good living and a good business but it wasn't anything special but in nineteen seventy six. He did this deal with Calvin Klein and I think nineteen seventy seven. We started shipping the first jeans listen within three years. My Dad had closed down every single business. He had went from like four thousand employees to eight hundred. Employees always no more manufacturing facilities or anything and and had a company that was doing the same three hundred billion in sales and making Santosh the prophet he was making the other way and interestingly enough in my my dad said it to that and never registered and recently did is that you know are we said to me you're at the forefront of a whole new revolution in our industry designer labeled apparel before that there the designer identified apparel was not really what was going on in American fashion. Calvin Klein and Ralph Lauren. And so on with. We're really the pioneers of designers having their own label and owning their own business. It really wasn't like that before people like my father that controlled rolled business. And so I as I said I never really really never really appreciated a registered with me and maybe I think four or five years ago I said Yeah Now I remember my dad saying that he was right in one thousand nine hundred eighty two. He got what kind of cancer. My Dad had Kidney cancer but he never stopped working till that tell really really the very end And really spent as much time as he could preparing me for something that I mean. Frankly I didn't understand talk but was virtually you know very difficult and impossible situation to prepare before. So you're twenty six. When you took over the company Barry Barry Schwartz and Calvin Klein? They bought your company in. They bought Puritan in a hostile takeover. And you were there for for a few years and then you spend time at incline as the CEO and divorced from them but then in one thousand nine hundred ninety seven Is Sort of like this new era. Where theory was born? Could you tell me about your encounter with Eliot O'Hara who was ultimately sort of tell you a little bit about the the you know even the events that happened before that I'm very open about my career and I don't believe that success is just a straight line line of accomplishments you know my dad passing and having to take over the company and and ultimately Ban Calvin buying the company was. This war ended up being a good thing and I stayed on and Worked for for bearing Calvin for four or five years you know actually was going to leave a very shortly thereafter and I had got a job to run one of Florence businesses and I went to the Guy Eh had brought in to run the company and I said to him. You know I'm Gonna I'M GONNA leave. I got this job Bob Opportunity. And he's turned to me and he said No. You're not going to go anywhere. You're going to stay here with me. You're one of the best things we have here and You're going to run this company again one day and I said are you sure. Have you been reading the press. And he said you're GonNa stay stay with me and work together with me and I stayed aiden ultimately I was promoted to running that the company can and I think with that happened. I sort of had a different point of view and and said to myself. I don't have anything more to accomplish here. And maybe in some ways I wanted to just prove that my dad was right and those guys were wrong and I I left the company And interesting an interesting enough. I'm still very close. Friends ends with Barry Schwartz and When I see Calvin Calvin I have a very nice relationship anyway? Then I got offered the job to be the C o Van Klein. I had known the fellow that that was the part owner of the company. Part part of the company was American Guide. Another guy was was. Japanese was sort sort of an introduction to what ended up happening in the rest of my life was a way that I could get disconnected from My family's business send sort of have something that was more my own. I was there for six years and I suppose that I have had a off Desire to move the company in a different direction so we had a disagreement in and they fired me. They didn't feel really very good at the moment. You know I didn't really appreciate it but the truth of the matter is that it wasn't the right job for me anymore and I went off to to to really pursue something that was much more authentic to me and to create something that was really my own expression you started theory in nineteen ninety eighty seven. Elie Tahari was your partner at the time and he introduced you to a new material. which really was the material upon which a lot of the the company was based it's Lycra which is elastic polyurethane? Actually can you tell me about LYCRA. And what would the appeal was for you. I actually met Ellie Tahari because when I had left and Klein I had the idea that I wanted to start something on my own but I didn't know what it was then. I met Ellie just coming in and advising alley on his clothing and his marketing and merchandising and he and I got along really great we understood each other and Elian. I decided to start this business. And I'm at that time. He was experimenting with a lot of fabrics with LYCRA and He actually made me a pair of pants. I put the pants on and I said L. E. This the business we're going into. Basically I wanted to have a company that a hundred percent of its clothes were made with with fabrics would like cry and have this idea that the world was changing It was just at the beginning getting of cell phones and the Internet and that the office was going to be a much more versatile place. It wasn't going to be a destination anymore. It's going ought to be wherever you were and that people needed closed that were much more versatile than that that word so uniformed and I wanted to make A whole lot of close out of fabric with LYCRA. I wanted them to be individual pieces that could mix and match in a multitude of different ways. And that could. It could be comfortable yet sexy and modern and have a whole different shape in proportion. Why incidentally did you name it theory? Basically I was originally go to start the company and call it stretch theory and came to my senses and realized that maybe stretch theory is a little limited heating. They just just wanted to make it theory. The interesting thing there is somebody else had the name registered and I happen to know my called him on the phone and said listen. I WanNa get this name theory. I don't see a using it. He said why. Don't you come over and see me anyway Make a long story short. He says if you give my my wife and daughter some free close Give you the name for what it cost me to register it and you should know a nine hundred ninety seven when you started. I was a recent college graduate Jewett and I would go into your store and Columbus Avenue on the upper west side. The clothes were way too expensive for me but when I could afford a piece they were my favorite pieces just so you know. It's funny that you mentioned the store in Columbus Avenue. My daughter was a teenager at that time and I remember she's having a bad night. It was like eleven o'clock at night and I said Oh come on I actually I want to take you and show you the store. I WANNA take on Battiston Avenue and I showed the store on Madison. She said Dad. Why are take the store on Madison? Let's I want to show you the store on Columbus Avenue and so that's how I ended up taking the store because you know my daughter pointed it out to be. Yeah anyway my personal life in my business life where we're totally intertwined. At that time I was raising my kids and and started the company at the same time I and my kids had to sort of put up with with with a lot. What else did they have to put up with or contributions today make the interesting? I've got a CFDA award a few years ago and my kids narrated a video about you know their perception of their father. And and you know I remember my son having to say and daughter well. We used to spend our Saturdays and Sundays walking through factories or retail stores. And but again I don't neither one of them ended up in the business but I think it was a good education for them to understand what it takes to to sort of really love something something it'd be passionate about it and and be committed to it and both my kids are committed to what they're doing life today which is my daughter Said Professional Cross crossfield competitor and my son is is in the music industry sort of does what I do but in the music industry which is find good talent and support them so you launch theory with Ellie with this Lycra component and wanting to make contemporary close for really young women at the time. At what point point you get a sense that you know what this this is getting. Traction I think that starting out I was always a little nervous. Would this really work. I remember waking up in the middle the night on many occasions and walk around. How how's the Salt GonNa come together and work but pretty quickly? The reaction to the close was was unusual. Although I wasn't confident I was going to stay in business. I was confident. I had a business really right away. The first year we did about six million dollars in business. It's the second year we did. Twenty million dollars business once that happened I sort of knew that there was a future future here and the response to the close was was enough. I didn't the need advertising or anything that close where the best advertisement for the for a company and did you start with retail stores or just walk me through the first year or two hill. You know it was a very different Environment back then. The idea of going directly to the consumer was not something that manufacturers designers thought. What about You know the business at that time was done through you. Know Major Department specialty stores and We sold all of the best ones. Ah It was a much more traditional way of of of starting a business and and done through department stores and gave me the ability to without a a huge investment be able to scale the business really quickly and incidentally the the industry you you alluded to. This was a lot different than it is. Now you know in the two thousands. Can you speak as to like what some of those differences were how you'd have to go and check out inventory yourself physically or can you talk to us about what that landscape was in those days we didn't have the the robust digital Computers Support that we have today well. E-COMMERCE didn't exist. The Internet was just at the beginning. Think I'm computers did not have the capabilities dimension to to to think the way the way they do now and be a part of the business. So Oh a lot of it was done by the by feel and a lot of it You know was was done from much of the the things that I've learned in working in the factories for my dad or sitting at a conference table listening to my dad You know just understanding planning how to get closed made You know in the in those days I was manufacturing most close in New York City and I was I had to find great manufacturing in the beginning that you know making a thousand pair of pants was easy but when you have to make twenty thousand pair fifty thousand pair. Are you know that became a little more complicated. You were acquired by a Japanese company in two thousand three call the fast retailing or or link. Holdings's this is their subsidiary the name and also the the the font that's used is reflective of the simplicity of and the cleanliness of the fashion of the of the design. Japanese aesthetic is kind of reflective of. You know like this simple vibe like what is it about the Japanese was. Is it just coincidence that that Japanese company was interested in new. well as I told you back in nineteen eighty nine. When I went to work? Franklin the one of the owners Fan Vancouver was Japanese. He had a very close friend of his was actually sort of a mentality of his. That was Japanese. His name was Ricky Sasaki and Ricky and I became really close friends when I was working at an Klein and when I left and climb Rickie was very supportive of me helpful of me. And he had he was Japanese. Living in Hong Kong had a big manufacturing business over there and so wanted was really supportive of me not financially sort of emotionally in terms of what I was going through and so on key sort of you know helped me through that and then Rickie when nine hundred ninety seven. China and Hong Kong merged Ricky had some financial trouble in Hong Kong and needed needed to get out of Hong Kong had a million dollars left went back to Japan and said I WANNA start theory in Japan. This was nine hundred ninety eight. I said to rick go ahead start theory in Japan. Dan Don't worry about paying royalties or anything else. I'm just starting a business. Concentrated us all your money to to make your business work and we'll catch up later as we. We were building a business in the US. Ricky was building his business in Japan. It was a separate company a licensee and that ultimately was the company in two thousand and three That bought theory and partnered with fast. Retailing's it to get the money so fast. Retailing put up the money to buy the company and and Ricky and and miss deny became partners isn't just lovely. How happenstance how life kind of takes these accidental turns? Yeah well you never know when or where you're meeting some one that's GonNa Change Your Life. The question is to be open and available. Oh and curious enough to be able to explore them and You know I think one of the things about me is I am very curious and I am open minded. I mean frankly I met my wife because I I was open minded and curious in that Johnny Dyer. My wife sent me an email and wanted some advice on. She had a fashion the company in in in England and sent me an email just out of the blue and I said to saw the email I said to my system. Set up a date with there and You know part of that was what I learned from my my dad to You know you never know where the next good ideas coming from and so anyway set up a date. It was a date in my office. And I. That's how I met Jenny and You know sort of the rest is history. You seem to have kind of like a Buddhist Buddhist mentality about things you keep saying just when you think your luck is down at actually might not be You know an auspicious moment and like were you. Did you grow up. In a deeply religious household in your family is Jewish or was there any of that. Yeah but am I right in my interpretation of how you just think I of a way about me that always tends to look at the opportunity not the negative side of things and I've always been that way way ever since I was a kid you know I think a lot of that was my mother's influence and I think that I sort of was lucky to get the best most of my mother in the best of my father. I think it's just the way I have. Do you. Wish your your could see what you've built this an interesting thing because it was at the doctor the doctor the other day and my doctor was talking about medians and that he went to a median median immediately psychic. Oh okay go ahead and anyway I was thinking to myself. Oh It'd be great if I could go to a median net. Could I could speak to my father. I don't think if things well my dad would be proud of me or anything like that. I think at the end of the day I'll have to be satisfied and fulfilled with what I'm doing and you know my motivation is to really do the right thing in to be authentic to who I am and what I believe in what it might not know about you. If if you if you don't tell me just even in like your mundane life flake the foods you like to eat or what you do. You have a daily ritual with your family thing about me. Is I like a routine and you know. This wife is a great force in my life because she gave gave me a lot of grounding You know in some ways I can wander around and do lots of different things and get pulled in lots of different directions because 'cause I am very curious and I am sort of fairy available and accessible. Sometimes I you know maybe take on a little more than What I shouldn't you know like a routine i? What is it looked like Monday through Friday? I work really hard. My focus is on that and what about exercise like when you say size. I exercise every morning at seven thirty two days a week. I do yoga and three days a week in the gym. All in my apartment. My House Before that I get up and I sort of go through all my horse horseracing stuff. Speak to my trainers and Englander like trainers in America because horseracing happens really early so I do all my horse racing stuff early and Go to the gym and get ready for work. And when I'm finished with work work has gone. There's no more work of a lot of outside interests Love to play golf. I play golf every Friday Saturday Sunday in the summer and frequently after the cough I come home to the house. US have lunch with with my wife and and all and then I go fishing And I love to fish and I've couple of ponds on the property feed the fish and just have a really nice sort of surreal life for the weekend. Then I can be sort of fresh for the week but I don't start thinking about work really until sometime Sunday nine most the time Monday morning. It's striking that you're you're so plugged in during the week and that the things that appeal to you outside in your professional life are actually not static but but golf God. I can't think of a slower game or fishing or gardening. What is the appeal of horse racing? You know that many horses to have sixty some sixty two or three you know. It's sort of like fashion. It's you know I breed read horses and race them and sell them by them. It's sort of the idea of trying to find the next winner. You know the next. That's good item is very much like that. You know finding a good horse. You've got to work really hard to find them. Thank you very much for joining us. Got Through the we our get half the stuff on your list. My guest has been Andrew. Rosen Co founder of theory. I'm Jessica Harris this. This is from scratch.

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The presidential pardon the country never forgot

Retropod

05:20 min | 1 year ago

The presidential pardon the country never forgot

"Hey History lovers I'm Mike Rosen with retro pod a show about the past rediscovered on August ninth one thousand nine hundred seventy four vice president Gerald Ford ascended small stage of the White House and raised tained that his decision stemmed from a desire to shield the country from further harm in fact four testified before Congress about the party in part to have his reasoning on the record and in doing so he became the first sitting president ever to deliver sworn testimony and then just a month after taking office controversy erupted again when Ford employed one of the most powerful function when four died in two thousand six the pardon and its consequences still hadn't faded but history may have finally voted against me and the net result is that they probably helped that I didn't win critic saw the pardon as forgiving Nixon's Ford was taking over the presidency from Richard Nixon who resigned in disgrace over the Watergate scandal and everything that followed even approval ratings took a dive even his own press secretary resigned in protest the decision probably times recounted the encounter after Ford's death writing that Mr Hey told Mr Ford that White House tapes would soon crew Nixon my duty not merely to proclaim domestic tranquillity to use every means that I have is role in the Watergate cover up and outlined several possibilities for Nixon's departure he handed Mr Ford two pieces of paper is to which I can turn in this matter he pardoned Nixon Mike Conscience tells me that only I as president behavior for worse a meeting between Ford and Nixon Chief-of-staff Alexander Haig in the weeks leading to the resignation created suspicion some thought that Ford had struck a deal to pardon Nixon in exchange for becoming president wants Nixon was gone the knee the presidential power a decision that would haunt the rest of his political life there are no historic guard legal precedents with four taking over two years after the scandal began the weight of the incident remained a burden on the White House and on a country trying to move on the description of the presidential power to pardon and the blink part inform Mr Ford later said he had given no definitive answer but when it was swift the New York Times reported the next day that the White House switchboard was jammed with angry calls heavy and constant Ford to ensure Ford had deliberated with his top aides and secret for days and the reaction to his decision doomed his chances of reelection in nineteen seventy six four told the post there is a group of bitter people who never forgave me and probably he described the meeting to his aides they were alarmed at the implication that Nixon through Mr Haig might be offering Mr Ford the president missing in return for a party the to always denied the pardon was part of a quid pro quo Ford read with the Thirty Eighth President's version of events on interview late in life with Washington Post the constitutional power to firmly shot then seal this book my conscience tells me it is order Bob Woodward who unraveled the Watergate scandal with Carl Bernstein Ford explained his true reasoning for pardoning Nixon the economy was trouble the nation was still engaged in the Cold War in the United States could not afford to be swept up in criminal trials over Watergate for years Woodward was suspicious of the Party but Ford convinced him you later said that the pardon was an act of courage rather than the final corruption of Watergate Mike Rosen walled thanks for listening especial thanks to Kayla Epstein for reporting the story for the Washington Post and for more forgotten stories from history visit Washington Post Dot com slash retro Pie

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Baseball, the Iranian hostage crisis and Barry Rosen

The Times: Daily news from the L.A. Times

20:18 min | Last month

Baseball, the Iranian hostage crisis and Barry Rosen

"Hey what's up. This is gustavo every friday. We're turning over the mike one of my awesome. La times colleagues and today we welcomed dell quentin wilber. His name sounds like you could headline the grand old opry but del actually covers criminal justice and national security for the time he's great so that's why i'm excited to hear an about what they'll really loves baseball today. He shares a story about the power of america's national pastime. How it offers an escape and for some survival. I'm bill clinton welcome. You're listening to the times. Daily news from la today is may fourteen two thousand twenty one. One thing you need to know about me is that i love baseball. It's in my family's dna my grandfather. Del wilber senior was a major league. Catcher played for ten years during the games role in the nineteen forties and fifties. My father played minor league ball. I played some in college. I cover the justice department for the l. a. times washington bureau. The only time. I've gotten to write. Anything about baseball. Was when pitcher. Roger clemens went on trial in two thousand twelve on charges he lied about steroid use so i was excited when i came across. Berry rosen story. He's a lifelong mets fan. That is despite the team's reputation for often. Losing the mets have characteristics of the old brooklyn. dodgers. I mean i think that's one of their inheritances. The dodgers used to blow everything usually in world series with the yankees like for so many of us front of ours up ended rosen's world. Baseball games were played an empty stadiums. They were still broadcasting. But it wasn't the same. It was as if nothing really existed. I tried last year. Watch a few games. But i just couldn't do it really. It just didn't make any sense anymore. I will explain it a bit. The extraordinary story of how rosen actually got into a game with corona virus capacity restrictions. But for now it's important to know why baseball such a big part of rosen's life and how it saved his soul. Not once but twice. Barry rosen seventy-seven is bald head thing ray. Goatee and hayes allies. I grew up in east new york In in brooklyn if there was an orthodox jewish family but modern orthodox so my father was always into baseball. I mean i don't particularly think many author medical maybe they are. Because i remember going to shave to procure school and even dined nine hundred. Fifty five world series. Shut the classes down and we will listening to the game whenever his dad enough money. They walked a few blocks to ebbets field on sunday afternoons and sat in the right field bleachers. Just seeing duke snider and actually monte irvin play and just sing those ball players at that time was one of the great golden ages of baseball in august nineteen sixty seven. Rosen joined the peace corps and traveled to iran. Of course iran was so so different from brooklyn for sure. But i really fell in love with the place. I love the persian language. The people were very very nice and they are still nice with the repressive regime that they have right. Now rosen returned to brooklyn and got a masters degree in iranian and central asian studies. He met his wife barbara in one thousand nine hundred seventy. She struck me as very very attractive. I think i did ask you your number. I think she gave me the number. But i think she wanted to get rid of me eventually. He won her over. They married and had children a few years later. He joined the state department taking a job as a press attache at the us embassy in iran. Here's barbara what he. I took the job. We thought we were going as a family. We thought that since the kids were preschool we would go and he was interested in foreign service and we would see how it is if i liked it or not. What happened was that By the time my daughter was born the revolution was already becoming very intense. And he was told to go by himself so he did. He left barbara and her two young children in new york. It was lonely. Luckily i had family around. His mother was not far away I had the children to worry about so there was a lot to do every day. We didn't feel the nervousness because things would just quite he was there. I was recall give. We would talk on the phone. The news wasn't broadcasting. That there were big. Problems was the quiet before the storm. The country was in the midst of the iranian revolution. The nation's leader the shaw was driven from power. You live tonight across the country to celebrate the departure earlier. Today of shaw mohammed. Razak in tehran jubilant crowds surged through the streets. Chanting austin warns gigantic street festival. Many in iran deeply resented us support for the shah to them. The us government was the great satan in january nineteen seventy-nine the shah was forced to flee when president. Jimmy carter allowed the shah muhammad raza palavi to enter the us for cancer treatment. Iranian students were so angry that on november. Four nine hundred seventy nine. They storm the us embassy in tehran. Thus began their raanan hostage crisis. American in tehran has been occupied by demonstrators. There is no indication that any of our people have been hurt. They are in touch with away any of their stories. For four hundred and forty. Four days rosen and fifty. One other americans were held hostage by militants rosen and others endured torture solitary confinement sleepless nights and even mock executions. We will have more after this break. if your school age child brought home a c. minus on a report card you'd likely be concerned and when you want to do something to help him or her. Do better to get those grades up right now. The infrastructure in southern california rates a c. minus on the american infrastructure report card from asc e. 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Very rosen and fifty one. Other americans were being held hostage in iran. I remember trying to get out of the pain. I was in and the pain was real. It was very very difficult. They're sometimes living in darkness and feeling fear of possibly dying. I couldn't sleep amid the torture and deprivation. He settled deeply into his mind creating fantasies about going with his father to ebbets field in brooklyn. It calmed his nerves. It helped him sleep. I don't think anybody could really understand it. Except perhaps one of my colleagues who also suffered through that experience. I really do think that imagery was very important. And the imagery of being with my father to go to a baseball game. My father was very endearing. Figure very wonderful man. And i just enjoyed being with him and knowing that was always safe with him and baseball did have that sense of safety for me. There's something that i loved as a little boy and i never grew out of it than one day. Perhaps four months into confinement. He was granted twenty minutes alone in a small courtyard. The actual green area was rectangle areas very small. I would walk around it. But i think of it as baseball. Feel it was one of these things that you have perhaps once in your lifetime. You know you're i mean how many times d- do you get the tune to escape from prison in your in your mind so i. I needed that very very much. I needed to think of freedom. I think baseball had that quality of freedom. It was about four months into his captivity. Barry rosen hadn't seen that much sun or outside since november fourth nineteen seventy-nine back in new york. Barbara was watching everything unfold on the news but she was also talking to the press here. She is in april of nineteen eighty problem. And i think that the The public has to show patience in time also helping because they think that it's not going to be solved until the time is writing things together. The hostage crisis ended in january nineteen ninety one on the day. Ronald reagan was inaugurated president. I have been given a tagline the get off line that everyone wants the end of toasters speech or anything else some thirty minutes ago. The plane's bearing our prisoners left iranian airspace. And the american hostages including rosen were freed when he got off the plane in new york. He spotted his wife barbara in the crowd and he looked like skeleton south. So gone rosen. Didn't recognize the two youngsters with his wife his four year old son alexander and his two year old daughter arianna. They had grown so much in the nearly two years since he had last. Seen them the alexanders that i left was a little man he had he looked so he's already for four. He was so handsome and so sweet behind the scenes when he got home rosen struggle to connect with his children who viewed him as a stranger. I assume did he. He remembered me. I don't think he actually did. But he was so loving whereas ariana did not remember because i left when she was born so when i came off the airplane With a little doll. I gave her. She took it and didn't look at me. Meanwhile in public the former hostage was showered with gifts. A new vacuum cleaner hundreds of coupons to a local restaurant a persian rug letters poured in one day. He open one for major league baseball offering american hero a uniquely american gift a lifetime. Pass the nation's pastime entitled rosen guest intrigued any regular season game from coast to coast it only has two stipulations. No playoff games and no world series. The brass pass was the color of gold. Such lifetime passes are usually reserved for retired players and us presidents. So this was a big deal at the time. Rosen didn't grasp the significance of what he called the golden ticket. He had other things weighing on him. Coming home isn't just roses when you go through an experience like that. Most of us who came home were deeply deeply affected. And i think everybody was in fact. And there's no doubt in my own life. I've gone through periods of ups and downs and strong sense of ptsd We'll have more after. This break. i've been telling you. The story of barry rosen. Who was working for the us embassy in tehran when he was taken hostage for four hundred and forty four days he had just gone back to the. Us and nineteen eighty-one and rosen. Found himself dealing with ptsd not only that he was a stranger to his own family. He didn't recognize his children and they didn't trust to leave the house with him. Unless i was there with them and i always said well that made sense to me because if he goes down he disappears for two years you know. Why do i want to trust him and go out with him and be alone. Because maybe i won't come home either. Roseanne didn't know what to do until his wife suggested he takes his children to a baseball game. Thanks a lifetime pass. He and the other hostages had received rosen and his son and daughter went to about thirty games at season. There was ice cream hotdogs flat. Rc cola over that fantastic summer. The father and two children built the bond. Despite the mets finishing in in fifth place the mets were very very bad. But no matter what it didn't matter it really didn't matter over the years they kept going to games. Even as rosen status as a hero faded. His seat steadily marched further from home plate and well into the upper deck. The mets stopped allowing them to bring an extra guest frequently. customer service. reps didn't know what to do when rose and tried to redeem his pass most had no idea what iranian hostage crisis even was or that major league baseball had ever given out such golden tickets. I wished the teams would be a little bit more sensitive to us now even now but i do think that like anything else. It's a corporate situation right now in baseball. It's no longer than one thousand nine hundred fifties. It's big big big money but I do think a seat here seat. There's is not going to hurt the bottom line. When i talked to rosanna april. He had heard the mets opening up city field to fans after a year. Pandemic shutdown rosen eagerly. Email customer service to get tickets hit badly. Missed going to games now only with the children but for the piece still provided him i. I got a response from the mets polite and they just said. At this time we're not honoring lifetime passes but Please contact us in may and so it was a disappointment but i understood it then then somebody. Somebody called the mets up. That was me as i was reporting the story. I emailed the mets for comment on why they'd stopped honoring rosen's lifetime pass the mets called within a half an hour and said to me that they will have four seats tomorrow. The team reversed itself and gave rosen and a fellow hostage. John limbered seats game in april airpods networking. Oh how's it going but very good your home plate. The afternoon they went to the game. I spoke to rosen via facetime and his wife and limits grandson auto entered city field. Seating was strictly limited capacity was capped at about twenty percent. The stadium rosen. Told me had a ghost like field. Strange it is a strange feeling and we were commenting on that. There's so many seats and everything's blocked off. Even so rosen. Act like a candidate. His voice animated is eyes wide. Open so are you. What is does it feel like. Old times feels great. Guys feel great to be here good to be back early. Spring got to be a perfect dane. I liked that. I was putting the finishing touches on this story. I kept wondering if i was making too much of how a game saved hostage. Journalism necessitates simplifying complex things at times and there were many other factors. That helped rosen. He'll but i also believe it's often the simple things that help us reconnect with ourselves and our families for some fishing hunting. Or yoga for rosen. Going to the ballpark game. I mean not by never get back me on if they don't name and that's it for this episode of the times daily news from the la times are shows produced by shannon. Lynn steven cuevas and denise karaoke our executive producer is abby swanson our engineers mario diaz and our theme music is by andrew eappen. Special thanks to julia. Turner hector shelby. Grad steve by the varian. Barbara rosen kirk mccoy. Laura wides millennials and kimbrel kelly. I'm gustav channel. We'll be back monday with all the news and this mothering gaseous.

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Cooley Talks Josh Rosen's Worth & More

"You want? It you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. All right. I am here. Corbin his in for Erin. This show is presented by window nation. If you're in the market for windows. Call eight six six ninety nation or go to win donation dot com. And tell them that we told you to call coolies going to be on the show today. He will join us. Join us. Shortly caps won the division last night. Nets had their most impressive day of the first week of the season. And there is Redskins news, which we will start with than it began last night. Look there's been buzz about Josh Rosen here on and off over the last couple of months, but Benjamin Albright who is a reporter out in Denver and NFL reporter out in Denver tweeted out last night at about I don't know six o'clock somewhere around there. Washington slash Rosen. Looks more and more. Like the pairing unless someone else steps up their offer and he mentions the chargers the patriots and the giants. I I did make a few calls, and what I heard is that the buzz around Rosen to the Redskins is legitimate. Certainly from the Redskins perspective that there is in sear interest in Josh Rosen that could be an indication of three things one. They don't love the quarterbacks in this particular draft to they don't think that the quarterbacks that they might like are going to be available, and it would be too expensive to trade up to get the quarterback that they like in three. And this is a theme for me. Anyway, they need a quarterback because they need first of all player that can play the position not just next year. But in the future, but they need a jolt in this franchise. They need something. To energize the fans and potential fans for two thousand nineteen and a trade for Josh Rosen would certainly provide a jolt. I don't know what the true results of that would be from a business perspective. But right now things are disastrous out there. They had the renewal for season tickets recently. And apparently it was in ugly ugly day with people more people than not choosing not to renew season tickets. I wanna start with the Albright report from last night what I found out as a follow up to reading that. And by the way, j p Finley had a report as well on Rosen. What I found out is essentially the Redskins are in position to potentially offer. The most the giants are not going to give up their first round pick for Josh Rosen. But they may be willing. Willing to give up a package that went with that would include, you know, mid round picks or a series of mid round picks. The chargers and the patriots. Obviously don't have a high enough first round pick or at as high first-round pick the Redskins. Have look Bruce Allen. And I mentioned this last night in a tweet, Bruce, Allen's not been a very good team president or you know, team president slash general manager for this organization. What he has done. Well, though is he has been fiscally responsible for the most part. And he's been a very good negotiator over the years. Now, I mentioned that Bruce Allen knows how to haggle, you know, and a couple of you pushed back with some of the recent trades. Whether it was the Alex Smith trade or the R G three trade or the Donovan McNabb trade, you know in two thousand ten fair enough. He's been better at haggling contracts than perhaps he has been in trades. But to be fair, really the Alex Smith trade in the moment and even the McNabb. Ab trade in the moment. Didn't look like anything. But a fair deal. You know, lots of different opinions on our g three and what they had to give up to go up to number two to get him. But BRUCE'S been pretty good from a business standpoint of negotiating good deals more of them than than bad, especially on the contract side again on the trade side. I I heard your response and those were fair points, and I can't disagree with them. But I think right now the situation is first of all the cardinals bay may be in wait and see mode right now waiting for the best potential offer. I don't think the Redskins are willing to part with number fifteen overall right now anyway, and maybe never I do think they'd be willing to part with their second round pick this year and one of their two third round picks. They've got number seventy six and then the compensatory pick at the end of the third round number ninety six overall along with perhaps a late round pick. So a package. Of a second a third and a later round pick for Rosen. I think that's probably in the area right now. We're Bruce Allen, and Eric Schaeffer are is that enough to get Arezzo to move probably not right now, Adam Schefter just tweeted out moments ago to tweets all read them for you number one. Despite being the subject of rampant trade speculation Arizona quarterback. Josh Rosen is expected to report to and participate in the cardinals off season workout program on Monday this coming Monday, some players who have been subject of trade speculation have declined to report to work outs. He then adds. Plus the cardinal still have not engaged in active trade discussions to date on Josh Rosen. Other teams have asked about him. But today the cardinals have not shown a willingness to trade him. And then Adam, you know. Enso's that second tweet with to date dot dot dot dot as if to be continued. The Redskins are one of those teams that have reached out to the cardinals. And actively you know, tried to discuss a potential trade for Josh Rosen. I believe that to be true. I believe that a lot of smoke around. This also includes some legitimate fire. I think the red skins are interested in Josh Rosen. So before we get to Cooley, my feeling about Josh Rosen is this and I've been consistent on this. As a player I like him, and I would be excited about him. I liked him UCLA. I liked him in last year's draft. Personally think he'd be a good fit for Jay Gruden. And I think he's a potential very good quarterback in the NFL. The problem with Rosen is what we really don't know. And those of us that are just fans of the team or even media members are. Never going to know the answers to things like what kind of person is. He, you know, does he love football is he a good teammate. Is he coach Chabal is. He a leader. You know, I found the quote from Jim Mora from year ago, his UCLA coach Jim Mora about a year ago. In an interview with Peter King said the following quote, Josh needs to be challenged intellectually. So he doesn't get bored. He's a millennial. He wants to know why millennials once they know why they're good. Josh has a lot of interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level and focus only on football for a few years. He will set the world on fire. He has so much ability. And he's a really good kid closed quote. That is a quote of yet. He's gifted he's talented. He's smart, but he's gotta be into it. That's concerned quote from his former college head coach. Coach a coach that does not coach anymore in college, Jim Mora. So I would say this for number fifteen overall. That's where I hesitate on. Josh Rosen I hesitate because number fifteen overall, you know, you can't ever be sure about any of these picks in any of these young quarterbacks. It's we went through this a month or so ago, it's one out of every three and a half actually hit in the first round of the draft. You know for every Cam Newton you've got a Christian ponder Jake locker. And Blake Bortles Bortles. You know, you just it's an inexact science. So for fifteen overall. That's the reason you hesitate. What Jim Mora said. And and what is been said by many about Josh Rosen is he so interested in other things he comes from affluence, it does he need football. Will he be hungry to become the best? He can be does. He love football Cooley. Always asks. That question you gotta find people who love football. That's the reason you hesitate for number fifteen overall, however for a package that would include this year second rounder, one of the teams to third rounders, preferably the compensatory pick the number ninety six overall and a later round pick say fifth sixth or seventh. I don't know that it's a no brainer. But for me, I'd be totally in favor of that. And also excited by it. But I'm easy when it comes to that the thought of Rosen being the quarterback next year, you know, adding a pass rusher or a corner or maybe a wide receiver at number fifteen overall. Ye get Darius Geiss back healthy. And he turns out to be the real deal the draft, by the way is deep enough in a lot of positions, including receiver that you could potentially get a really good impact receive. Ver- with the other third round pick. You have without having to draft a receiver like Metcalf or a Markey's Brown at fifteen over on. You could add that pass rusher. The corner that you need there. But now you're in business a little bit for two thousand nineteen and beyond for number fifteen overall to me, it's a big risk not necessarily one. I'd be favorite in favor of. But I I wanna make this really clear if they did trade number fifteen overall Josh Rosen. I would be excited to see Rosen as the Redskins quarterback here next year, and beyond and from a contractual standpoint, we've pointed this out many times as many have it's a rookie deal. Still three years left on a rookie deal with team option for a fourth year, it ease. You know, when you start talking about a package of a second and third and sixth. You do. That I think you do that. I don't want to categorize it or describe it as a no brainer. But we've seen the Redskins success with their second round picks. Anyway, in recent years that I would be totally in favor of and if they did end up dealing number fifteen overall, I would say what I've said before which is he better have been very close to the fifteenth best player on your twenty nineteen draft board. And that's the way to really evaluate. This is to put him in to the twenty nineteen draft pool and put a great on him. Where is he because if he somewhere in that ten to twenty range, and then you can justify in your own mind that number fifteen worth that number fifteen is worth it. If you've got him as as the top rated quarterback or the second best quarterback in this draft behind Cuyler Murray. And he's a top ten to twenty player on average somewhere around. Fifteenth best player in the draft. Then you can justify in your own mind giving up number fifteen overall. But the unknown is the personal piece of it. You know, it really is the part that they're going to have to get right because we're not gonna have the opportunity to sit down and interview him. We're not going to sit down at dinner with him and get to know him. We're not gonna have the ability from due-diligence standpoint to talk to previous coaches and teammates to really find out. If you're getting a guy that loves football, and that is going to work at his craft and is going to get better. And he's going to live up to the talent that he has. That's you say that about a lot of players, but with him there is some smoke around the kind of person you're getting and that's what you have to be concerned with. But I am I thinking about this last night as it becomes perhaps a little. A bit more real of a possibility that Josh Rosen out there as the Redskins starting quarterback on opening day with three years left on a rookie deal and team option for a fourth and Jay Gruden as coach. And I think Jay knows how to coach quarterbacks. I do he still needs a receiver. He still needs a legitimate receiver. Someone who can get separation at the line of scrimmage somebody who can get open consistently. The Redskins still will have many many holes to fill. But right now one of the biggest holes you have to fill as a quarterback. You have a backup a career backup who gets injured all the time and a middling starter at best and keenum, you this is not a position that you have any confidence in in twenty nineteen or in the future. First of all, you don't have anybody under contract beyond next year. So bringing Rosen into the organization, I think would be excite. Eating. I think it would give me personally. I don't know how you feel. It would give me a sense of something to be optimistic about maybe it would be a reach to be optimistic about anything happening in two thousand nineteen. But if you end up being right about the quarterback, you've got a chance, regardless of how dysfunctional the organization is if you get the quarterback piece, right? You've got a chance to be a competitive team a team that competes for the postseason, you know, year in and year out if you get that position, right? They had locked in already. Daniel Jones is apparently coming in next week. So you've got all of that going on as well. But the Rosen thing is definitely going to be one of those things that day by day here. We're gonna get news that trickles out about Rosen. It's interesting that schefters tweet this morning indicates that nothing is imminent. But I think also Adam. Tells you in that very final tweet of his that, you know, where he writes other teams have asked about him. But today the cardinals of not shown a willingness to trade him. And then he says today dot dot dot dot as if to say not yet, not so far. But if the cardinals end up becoming sold on Cuyler Murray, and I wouldn't put that in there as a slam dunk at this point again a year ago right now, nobody had Mayfield is the number one pick. Everybody was talking about darnold a year year ago, you know, three weeks before the draft so things do change and they change quickly and dramatically. But if the cardinals are in on Cuyler Murray, you would think that Rosen would be available. Why would they draft Rosen last year and say to him? Oh, by the way, we've just drafted your replacement how healthy of situation could that really be if they're going to draft Cuyler Murray, I would be shocked if they don't trade. Josh Rosen the Redskins likely have the best available pick. I mean, the giants do theoretically. But the giants are not going to give up number six overall with the Redskins give up number fifteen. Would they have to give up number fifteen four number fifteen? I think it's a lot of risk. I would still be excited to see him a Redskins uniform next year. But I think it would be a high risk move because of the personal stuff. Hopefully, they'd get they they would get comfortable in that. But for any other package that doesn't include number fifteen overall. Yeah. I'd do it. I would definitely do it and be excited about it. As a fan to see Josh Rosen as the Redskins quarterback next year real quick word on window nation. And then we will bring Chris Cooley into this conversation. It's win donations annual spring cleaning sales event are your windows having issues cracks are to open unusual moisture or you just window shopping if so call. Donation today and schedule a free in-home estimate window nation will save you. Thirty three percent off your entire purchase window, siding and doors, get up front pricing. No hidden terms. Just thirty three percent off every style of window house of siding and all doors, including labor plus for the next two weeks. 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Eight six six ninety nation or window nation dot com. All right. Let's bring in Cooley on the podcast. You can listen to coolies podcast, which he puts together a few times week on any platform that podcasts are available the same as mine Google play. Spotify tunes, apple podcasts all of them. And you can just go to Redskins dot com, which it's easy to do to listen to the podcast as well. All right. I just finished talking about some of the news out there about Josh Rosen to the Redskins that seems to be heating up a little bit nothing definitive. But reports at a Denver JP had some information. Schefter this morning. You know, pushed back a little bit saying for now, it is, you know, the cardinals aren't interested in dealing Rosen. But there is interesting teams have contacted the cardinals. But he wrote that the cardinals right now have not shown a willingness to trade him. But he writes today, meaning that could change. So I wanna start the conversation there. We've talked about Rosen in the past. But I wanna get your updated thoughts on Rosen. First question is this is Josh Rosen worth number fifteen overall. Yes, or no, not not to me. I think that. You have to weigh into some of what happened in Arizona. This year. So fifteen stretch you do put him right into this quarterback class though, in my opinion and say if you if you were going to draft him in this class, and you didn't say last year, you just went on college film where we go. And I think he probably would go at fifteen. So then why then there was some struggles that he had a UCLA in terms of seeing the entire field. Checking the ball down getting underneath rose not making you know, what essentially called few throws under pressure. Just got. Let's see them will make a play and those were exaggerated in Arizona last year. Now, all that said, you know, it was not a good spot for him last year in Arizona. It's so similar to Jared Goff situation with the Rams before Sean McVay came. So I think that there's a lot of interesting with Rosen the good is he mechanically. He's an outstanding quarterback. What he does in the pocket. What he does with armed talent. With with being able to make a. Ton of throws, and there's some specialness to him. But there's also that negative. And then there's that that whole what kind of guy is he and that was another issue as far as fifteen. My issue is. I'm not sure on Rosen. And I am sure that you can get a starter fifteen that that you need. I mean at another the other thing, no one's gonna trade fifteen for Rosen. Like, that's that's the next thing. Kevin is no one's going to give up amid I for Rosen, which is why I'm sure the cardinals are very interested in the Redskins because it's probably the highest pick available that somebody could potentially trade. Yes, that's true. I mean, the giants could potentially trade, but they're not going to, but they could treat seventeen. But again, I want to go back to some because I'm gonna get to the next question, which is what kind of package would you be fine with because I think personally the Redskins are unwilling to part with number fifteen and they're looking at another package that would include like a second one of their two thirds and a late around pig. But you said something that you put him into this draft pool. You put a put a number on them. You put a great on them. And if he ends. Being somewhere the second best quarterback in this draft. And the, you know, twelve through eighteenth best player on your board will then why wouldn't you give up number fifteen overall? I don't think he is the twelve best player on the sport. I think they're twelve eighteen better players on this. Okay. Mid twenties. So that's why wouldn't give up and it's also that I don't necessarily want to lose. What should be a prototype player? Fifteen. I yeah. I don't know. There's a lot of like about him. And I went back and watch every single one of its college games. And there are games where he's the first pick of draft. But in every gain in every single game. There are moments where you scratch your head and go why why did you throw it to the wing? You throw it the other team. Yeah. Why why is he doing this like what was it down here? And so you see that propensity to make some big Mus. Steaks and big situations and some dumb dumb things where you just destroyed underneath and take take the yards. So it's real I think it's really interesting. I I saw everywhere because I did a film breakdown everywhere. Like, Chris cool it really eight Josh Rosen. I don't Josh Rosen. I think he's I think he's got the potential to be a really good player. I think he's got a lot of fundamentals that. I love I think you can you can teach him build around him. The Redskins would be a great fit because he's going to be behind to really good dudes, and keenum and Colt and to really smart, dudes, and keenum and Colt. So that room would fit really, well, I think with Rosen neither of those guys. I don't know, maybe keenum. Do they really expect a truly be starters? Forever. Keenum's on on your deal. They'd be fine with it. So it'd be a good fit. I I read the I read a quote because I remembered that Jim Mora has UCLA coach had done an interview this time last year and was critical of Rosen. And I went and found the quote, and I read it, and it speaks to what I think your concern is in what I described as well with respect to number fifteen overall, as you know, what kind of guy are you getting into quote went this way. He he set it to Peter King a year ago. Jim Mora did he said quote, Josh needs to be challenged intellectually? So he doesn't get bored. He's a millennial. He wants to know why millennials once they know why they're good. Josh has a lot of interest in life. If you can hold this concentration level and focus only on football for a few years. He will set the world on fire. He has so much ability. And he's a really good kid closed, quote, first of all the challenged, and he gets bored. That would apply to you. I remember Mike Shanahan telling me the problem with Chris. He. He got it. So quickly that you know, we had to we taught to the rest of the class. And he was just back there drawing pictures after the first fifteen minutes because he was so bored. But I think the part of the quote that we've heard before is Josh has a lot of interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level and have them focus only on football for a few years. He'll set the world on fire. That's that's a concern that came from his head coach in a last year before the draft. That's the only part of that quote that has any weight to it. Lenny stuff. That's get off my lawn garbage. He needs to know why? Well, yeah. Everyone wants to know why not everybody you did. And I I like people who are curious said this. I said this the other day one of my favorite traits player or in in someone of my businesses curiosity. Yes. I like that. And I don't know if it's a millennial thing or if it's my age group, or whatever it is. Or if it's a certain type of person, but I like a person who knows why? Because when they know why then they're able to really go out and execute hate the you're just gonna do what I say you're supposed to do. And I'm not gonna give you any leeway. I mean, you sent me the Aaron Rodgers thing this thing screams Aaron Rodgers McCarthy seven years from now you have a guy that fits with him. Right. Well, yeah. Well, I I would hope that Jay from an offensive standpoint of quarterback standpoint is better for a player than than than McCarthy was, but I don't by the way. I don't think it's a millennial thing you, and I've talked about this a lot in the past that curiosity is a good thing. But not everybody wants to know why a lot of people are are raised to be employee's. And to you know, take direction what to do the coach the coach told me to do it this way, I'm going to do it this way. I know. Oh, you weren't that way. And I, you know, but anyway, so that that's one of the reasons you would hesitate about number fifteen overall. What about a package that includes this year second one of their two thirds, right? They've got seventy six plus ninety six which is the compensatory third rounder. They got and say a fifth a second third and fifth. Would you do it for that? Yeah. I would do it for that me too. I think I would try to shop out next year third if I could possibly shop out next year there. But if you try to do it for that, then you can potentially trade back in the first round and get a later for store. Get another second another third. I mean, there's some things that you could do still acquire a couple high level picks if you were to move your second. So yeah, I I would do it for that. And. I just believe it fifteen. It's you get whoever you want sensually. There's going to be a pool of five guys that should be prototype players. Even at that spot. They might not be alita believe they're short things. And I hate giving away shore thing and that situation. I can't. Yeah. I would absolutely do it. And and and the third would be, you know, hey, look, can we give you next year's third. Yeah, they give you a fifth give you I think the challenge at that point becomes whether or not say the patriots decide to give up the last pick in the first round for the quarterback of the future. They really like Rosen. You know, here's the thing that I was thinking about with this rose and stuff in the cardinals saying they're not interested right now. I started talking about this yesterday. Time their general manager hire new head coach and draft quarterback in the first round. Do you really wanna be on both of them mmediately right for late? I I think that there's some risk to it. And he brings in kings vary. A guy who a lot of people said because he's worked with Shawn. And Shawn asked him a bunch of stuff about his air raid offense that that he's brilliant quarterback, dude. Offense of dude. Why aren't they thinking? Okay. Let's just draft Bosa. And or let's trade that I pick back a few spots that I pick has more value by far than any other pick and get a bunch of stuff in this draft. And we'll we'll work with Rosen. We like him enough that will work with him. And let's make it look like, you know, we we're gonna I sure take Murray, and that pick has more value because if you want it, you really have to give us a lot for it. I just and then and then you start talking about trading the patriots. Let's just say you train them to the patriots and Tom Brady plays one more year, and then Rosen's awesome in an organization that's going to help him. Be awesome behind Tom Brady after playing with Tom Brady. Three years down the line. You've traded away Rosen for a late. I and he is a pro quarterback for the New England Patriots. I'm not trading him patriots. Not trading him to any team that he's probably gonna have great success with in the near future. Well, I mean, then you're you know, if the group includes the chargers giants patriots and Redskins in your goal is to trade him to organization where he's got the least chance to be successful than the Redskins should be the front runner. Yeah. I don't look like they're gonna I just don't think that that would be in their mind. It'd be for me. Interim not if you're quarter Matt managed to look like a bust if you're NFC team trading him AFC team. I I know what you're saying. But the here Steve thing is interesting last year new coach quarterback in the first round. And then a year later another new coach and another new quarterback. But if you're absolutely sold on Cuyler Murray. I don't think that you can bring Cuyler Murray in a year after telling Josh Rosen Uruguay and have it work for Josh Rosen. And then hence by extension. Have it worked for the team? I think if they if they're going to draft Cuyler Murray, I know what you're saying. And by the way, I'm not suggesting that they have them both on the roster. Okay. Okay. I wanted to make sure that because I don't think it's completely out of the question that they end up not drafting Cuyler marine. They pick boasts in. They trade the pick. I mean. I've mentioned this a few times in the last week a year ago or certainly a year and a month ago. Sam darnold was going to be the first pick in the draft. Baker Mayfield was not being considered. No one was talking about Baker Mayfield being the number one pick in the draft in March of two thousand eighteen so these things change so quickly in dramatically almost every year when it comes to this position it really there's no question. I it's it's so up and down in it like they could like your lock more and say, hey, look, let's trade back to seven. We'll get locked. Let's say back to five and we'll get locked they can like locker at this point the thing with Murray like everything just brought up about not wanting Rosen to have success somewhere else or not wanting to commit to failure. If you don't draft Murray and Rosen's not good for you. And and Murray's next year. Then you're even dumber. I know, you know, we we talked about this all the time on. On quarterbacks and drafts. And it really is like I almost don't think if I were a GM the first pick in the draft with with the perceived quarterback need because it's so hard or have a high. I Trump just think about it. I've gone through the list many times, but two thousand eleven in the first round locker Gabbard ponder, you know, the next year in the first round Griffin Tanna hill Weeden in the first round. The next year was e j manual, then it was Bortles man's Zell and Bridgewater like it is a one in four shot. It's basically like historically at twenty five percent chance you're going to get that position right in the first round. It's not what the first overall with the first overall like a seventy percent starter successful. Let's go through him. Okay. The for this up the other day. So you can go you're saying number one number one. Well, one are you an -solutely convinced on on Goff. Are you absolutely convinced on Winston? Are you absolutely convinced on Winston? But that goes into the failure rate. I'm Brad Bradford's of failures as a number one overall. I just last. Yes. I'm convinced enough that Goth isn't a failure. He took his team the Super Bowl. I know. I I'm not saying, but but he's not he's not a he's not an elite quarterback. I- Jared Goff. I mean, I think numbers would say that there's a pretty good debate to that that he's going to be an elite quarterback last two years. He's had the highest scoring offense which side of the debate. Would you take that he's an elite quarterback or that? He's not only quarterback. I think it's still yet to be seen to be honest with you Kevin right now, he's Lee at times. But I think he struggles under pressure, and I think he struggles in skewed now under pressure in the pocket under pressure situations. And I think he struggles in certain weather situations. I eight of play well in the cold. You saw what he did against the bears. So there are some things that he still growing up. To be better at I guess, we could also look at the last couple of drafts, you know, the two thousand seventeen draft was Trubisky Mahomes and Watson in in the first round right now that looks like a the best quarterback draft. In terms of the percentage of quarterbacks are going to that are gonna turn out to be legitimate starters with a star maybe two stars. Who knows maybe all three of them will be stars. And then last year, you know, the early returns on Mayfield darnold, Josh Allen, pretty good and Josh Rosen. Lamar Jackson still to be determined. But the first three that we're taken look like real NFL quarterback. So maybe were now in an upward trend of you. Can't go wrong in the first round. Who knows? But it historically has been a crap shoot. Yeah. Just number one number on overall historically hasn't been. Yeah. But you know, what we talking about your like you you've gone back four years. I'm talking about going back to. Elway draft. Early eighties. I mean, I'm just gonna I'm Alex Smith was number one number one overall. All right. That's not a bust. It's not a bust, but you didn't end up with an elite quarterback you ended up with a middle of the pack starting quarterback at his best jamarcus. Russell was number one overall bust Matt Stafford was number one overall. I always been a Stafford fan. I don't know if I don't think I've ever considered him elite. But a good quarterback Santa. Sam Bradford BUSTER not bust as a number one. They had a decent year last year. You're not gonna say bust on that Santa. They're very pleased with Sam see sorry. I'm Sam darnold. Sam Bradford bust as a number one overall, not Italy quarterback. Cam Newton hit. Andrew luck hit. Jameis Winston still to be determined. I like Winston you think you don't think he'll ever. I mean, we'll see what happens in this new offense with areas, but this third staff and five years that there's a reason and then Goth and Mayfield have been the last two as a number one overalls Cuyler Murray, by the way, totally different than any of these quarterbacks with exception. I guess of Baker Mayfield who was picked last year number one overall like a completely different type of quarterback taken number one overall. We've we've really not seen that until last year. All right. Another question about Rosen 'cause you addressed you know, what you like about him. And what your concerns are about him? Is he the way he plays is he a good fit for Jay's offense. Wow. Yes. Really think about that one. I get I really did have to think about it. Yeah. I think he's a good fit for Jay's offense. I do. I think that offense really isn't a quick game type of offense. It's a let's get the ball down the field type of fence. And we want you to look deep. I offense Alex was really probably not a good fit for J offense, honest with you. Well, it's a good thing. He often sending data Alex Smith is the other thing. But oh, I don't understand that. Because to me Alex Smith looked to me like on in many ways, not that much different than Andy Dalton and Kirk cousins except for his mobility. It's Jay's offense is not a quick game rhythm passing off. It was with Kirk. More more so Sean offense. Okay. That was Sean calling the offense. It was Jay's offense whatever you wanna say. But Sean calling the offense. What it wasn't it? Wasn't. It wasn't a lot of booth. It wasn't a lot of easy throws last year in the year before we'll to me when I think of Josh Rosen. The reason I asked you the question is I see a lot of similarities with Dalton and with Kirk and not the same level of mobility or athleticism that Alex Smith has. But some similarities where he would fit. Definitely the Sean McVay Redskin offense. I Jay Gruden offense. I think Jay wants a guy that'll challenge defenses down the field when he gets opera -tunities to he wants guys take shots. He wants a little bit of gunslinger, I think that's why likes Colt McCoy so much and Rosen is a gunslinger he will take chances. Oh, he is the definition of gunslinger he will take so many chances and he will throw it into tight windows. And he will if he's got look down the field. He's gonna take that look down the fan. He's gonna throw some picks. Yeah. He's gonna throw some picks. You know, what else he's going to take some Saks and he's gonna fumble crumble. Protect the ball in the pocket about last year or the year before in college. So so you do think he'd be a good fit for Jay's offense. But what do you what do you been last year last year? He can't more fumbles than anyone in league for dropback per dropback because Kirk had to have a lot of he had a lot of fun. Well, he had more than Kirk drawback by far. You see it? Now at my notebook on the numbers the numbers astronomical. How many fumbles yet our fan base seems to think over the years the quarterbacks don't throw interceptions? Just our quarterback's throw interceptions. But interceptions thrown around the legal the time. But the fumble thing would drive him nuts. The not protecting the ball. I crazy 'cause people go nuts about interceptions, but bumbler turnovers in fumbles at turnover should never have will ROY are explainable a lot of the time. They're understandable there. Sometimes they're taking shots like normally quarterback. When you look at them. They decent quarterback if they throw fifteen six seven of them or not their fault Rosen was under siege. Last year in Arizona. I mean the game. Remember the last time we had the conversation about Rosen. I'd watched a bunch of games in you. It just started that process, and I'm like good God there were plays where he didn't even have a chair. Chance to get his feet set. And he was getting hit from all sides. Well, they're also answers a lot of time and for quarterback. He does not want to take the easy throw. And it's immediately available right? There's a lot of situations where you're gonna get hit. Does he offer up a chance on paper anyway base or on film to be a better quarterback solution and situation than the one? The Redskins have now with either keenum or McCoy. I'm not talking about the future. Yes. The next star the answers one hundred percent has has long-term starter potential. Neither of those have that they're both in their thirties. They both have journeyed around the league to some extent with culturally been on a couple teams. But yet neither of them have proven that they're going to be the legit guy. Although I think it's interesting that Denver was so willing to get rid of keenum mealy immediately immediately. And he was good. They had bad as people here in Denver. I don't dislike having keenum as as a guy here. I don't I mean, we interesting how they compete, but you that is another benefit for for guy like Rosen as you have a full year where there's no pressure you another interesting question for you. And all ask you. 'cause I don't really want to answer it. I shouldn't ask it, really. But does it make it more appealing for new head coach and a year if you were going to hire a new head coach, I think that's a really good question. Because I if everybody if there's a general consensus that Rosen's a legit talent. And that you can win with Josh Rosen as your quarterback right now. People view him that way. I'm just saying if there's a consensus on that then you're really not taking risk on making a trade for him. Whether Jay's here next year or not your, but, but if if you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole from personality standpoint from a talent standpoint, you think he's actually fit, you know, perfectly a good perfect fit for J system. Then yet, you are taking a chance if we all believe that Jay is potentially in his last years head coach. Because then your ability to attract the next one. Well what? No, here's why it's not a risk. It's because of the contract if he's not any good. It doesn't matter because you're not spending big money on him. You can still year from now if he wasn't the right guy if Jay gets cut loose as they go five and eleven and Rosen stunk. It doesn't mean that you can attract a new coach with a new quarterback strategy because he still on his rookie deal. And at that point. He's only got two years left on the rookie deal. Now, I understand that. But it makes it more appealing to have a guy. Look if I'm gonna take a head coaching job. I think it's perfectly kind of job that Sean McVay went into you have a built roster to some extent with a guy that you can develop as a quarterback as your quarterback. I'm not suggesting Jay's getting fired by any means. I'm just saying if they end up having another six seven win season, it's probably likely that he will be fires. It's just it's just the nature of of the NFL in every level. It's a production. -ly? Look I thought that this year. So if you go into the season, let's say you go you finish the season. Don't acquire a quarterback. And you and you win seven games. All right. Cole is probably hang isn't as last year. Yeah, he his last year. Keenum's in his last year. You didn't acquire a quarterback? And you don't have a pick necessarily good enough to get the quarterback that you really like for a new coach to build this organization. The self sell. Yeah. For the first head coach for the first in the most desirable two or three head coaches on the Gruden front. Just so we're clear we both thought that if Jaden get to the playoffs or Jay had a bad year in two thousand eighteen that he was in deep deep trouble. So the notion that Jay is definitely not going to survive another seven and nine or six and ten season next year. I don't think he will. If you told me right now I had to wager on they don't make the playoffs next year. It's another disappointing season injuries or no injuries as an excuse. I would bet that he's not going to be here in twenty twenty. But it's possible that he'll be here because he is. Yeah. No, I'm not suggesting that it's not possible or that. There's a guaranteed. He's not going to make it out of the season. If you win seven games or if he wins eight games doesn't make the playoffs. Or if six if you went six and something happens. I just. I can't say that at this point because I really have no idea, but it the to your point it's you wouldn't bet against it. The context is you know, we can envision it there. Multiple, you know there multiple situations where he would be back another injury riddled season where Bruce somehow convinced Dan that they would have been a playoff team in Super Bowl contender. Had it not been for the injuries or let you say trade for Rosen, and that it starts off slowly, but it starts to build late and you start to see the potential of Gruden in Rosen together in the offense. If the add another receiver if you add a good tight end and they finish eight they win four out of their last six to finish eight. They missed the playoffs, but there's an upward trend, which sure all of that. Simplisafe have a question for you. Another question for you as it relates to the overall sort of organizational mindset to this stuff. How important is Rosen or a first round. Quarterback locker Daniel Jones, or whomever. How important is it to the organization right now that they find a quarterback they had season ticket renewal deadlines either earlier this week or late last week. I forget what it was. And I've been told it did not go. Well, not a shocker, but that it didn't go. Well, how the ticket office how badly I talked to a lot of people in that. How bad Larry Larry Jones down at the ticket office. He said Kevin this not happen. I've gotten five calls in a row from people saying they're not renewing how badly does this franchise. Need a young quarterback to give fans potential fans. A chance to legitimately believe in the future. Desperately like I look I look at. So I was kind of go off track a little bit. But I was watching one of those af games before it went under this week. And just that they're thought I could care less. Right. I didn't watch one minute of it. Yeah. It was because I didn't know anybody if you can't market and sell your players, then people don't really care. Rosen. Would you agree that of of all the quarterbacks other than Murray that Rosen would be the biggest would be the most marketable move for the franchise more? So than lock or Jones or even Haskins. Do you agree with that? I think. Maybe seeing that Murray lock Haskins are all incredibly marketable. I'm not sure on Daniel Jones just yet in terms of his marketability. He reminds me of you. I manning I'm not talking about the personality of the play. I'm talking about the reaction from the fans on the move. What would excite them the most of all the quarterbacks stuff? We're talking about. Take Murray off the team Murray would be the number one. For me lock. But I'm assuming Rosen would be. I think Rosen would probably have half will be really intriguing as well. A lot of people think Haskins star, and you don't and I don't either neither of us do. So we're not gonna we're not gonna use that answer. But the might hit who's got potential had statistics out the, but at Ohio State, he's going to be incredibly marketable and remember Haskins of the quarterbacks in the draft other than Marie take Marie off the table Haskins is the one that fans. No because he played for Ohio State and everybody watches Ohio State every week you nobody. I guarantee you eighty percent of our fan base. That is now looking at quarterbacks and getting into the draft. Didn't see drew lock play one football game last year live and didn't see Daniel Jones play one football game last year life and didn't see. Well, they probably saw Jarrett stidham a lot more than any of these guys. But they saw hell of a lot of Haskins like. Every week primetime. And so- Haskins would be the guy to me if we take Murray off the equation editing question Haskins and Rosen are the two guys that give the franchisor jolt. I don't think lock does it you. And I would be excited about lock I actually like Jones to, but I don't think either one of those two would would give it'd be especially depending on where you take him. You know, it has to be in the first round have any sort of real impact. Yeah. For sure if you take will Greer in the third round or stood him in the third round or Daniel Jones falls to the forty six pick in the second round. Everyone's going to say, there's a reason he fell, you know, we settled on a guy forty six I think I said something he's going to go before that. But let's say you traded up and traded back in the first and God him or if he fell any further than fifteen which you should then there's a reason everyone's gonna understand that. It's not gonna be like when Jon Allen fell. And we were pumped about a guy like Jon Allen falling that that far even though he's a D lineman. It's not as as marketable or as exciting kind of. Daniel Jones, the rest of the quarterbacks after lock and Murray should go after twenty Renton right now, you've you've done have you done. Now film breakdowns all of the quarterbacks that are possible. First rounders other than the kid out of of possible first-rounders. Yeah. Okay. So rank them for me. Just film Murray is one he's insane. When you watch them on tape lock is to take guy leadership. Terms of time and he's played in in in. In college team on a college team with with success and growing. I I would take lock I I would love to have locked. I think he's awesome. But it's hard to pass on transcendent talent like Murray. Would that owns? But would that be a debate? Like if you had a choice of locker Murray would that be a debate for you? The only if I had no I had a debate. It would be because I would be afraid of missing out on something not having the guy that I wanted. I would be afraid of losing my job because I missed out on something. Okay. So Maria, then so then I think you're right in a group of guys with I think Finley and Jones are very comparable. I like Daniel Jones a little more than I like Finley. And then you go down the list, I like will Greer lot. But it just looks like it hurts him to throw the ball. He has so much effort into throwing. Yeah. He reminds me so much BreX. I think he's probably a late second early third round pick and he'll rise because the kind of guy is and he'll he'll press people in interviews. He's smart football player. But you haven't mentioned Haskins yet as you mentioned five quarterbacks as Haskins six. So the thing with Haskins is it's so unknown. How long it's going to take him to develop. He they were so minimal and what they did Ohio State with Haskins. He made a ton of big throws. But most of his big throws came on play action type throws. I thought they had three outstanding receivers three that could win. They were hard to match up with. He did not impress me in any level in terms of reading the field or getting through his progressions or or having the anticipation needed in on in an NFL level that that to me was the most he needed to see as wide receivers come open before he threw the ball that never just came out and timing and rhythm. So yeah, I think he's got a long way to go. Any by the way, he can't move in the pocket. He sluggish. She's got slow feet. He he slow as it is. But he's not quick in the pocket either. It's not like he's a big guy. He's got some some good Jilani is slow. So I guess you could say you could get better lose weight. I dunno look slow. Didn't you that's gonna hurt him as well? If he would have to play next year. You didn't take tons sacks. Didn't you like Brett Rippin from Boise? Yeah. I like ripping all right. I'm not I'm not one hundred percent convinced on all of the intangibles with Rippin. I like his competitiveness. I like that. He'll make some big throws them big spots at some things. He does a really impress. You. What about the big guy from buffalo? The the six seven court. I watched that kid yet ever watch them because they're been some reports here over the last week that he is rising up the boards. Like, he could be potentially, you know. And we've seen this before out of nowhere. There's Tyree Jackson taken late in the first round. But yeah, I'm not sure about tired Jackson. I think stems an interesting one view. I thought you didn't let them Gus malzahn. Offense is offense. It's. There was no reason for him to stay because I think he showed all he's gonna show within that system, which is tremendous arm talent. But in terms of anti-smoking that offense having you missed a lot of throws down the field. He missed open receivers. I I didn't like stood him very much. But I watching that offense. I don't know. I don't know if you're gonna fall in love with quarterback in that system. I kinda liked him. I I remember when you went to watch them on TV I did touchdown passes season had five in the produce game in the bowl. I no, no, no, he's he's he's two thousand ballgame. His two thousand seven for new film. And you don't like sit him his two thousand seventeen season was much better. He also had you know, guys like carry on Johnson in the backfield. He had better players around him in two thousand seventeen look at Ohio State. Did you same type system? Did you look at Clayton Thorson at all the one I wanna watch. And I haven't gotten to yet. Okay. Well, you should watch Jackson to Thorson Jack out a lot of watching don't. I'm buddy. Well, I mean, you know, the drafts coming up. I mean, these are the quarterbacks I mean, people wind up taking a quarterback not in the first round. I know I just don't see us taking a quarterback in the third round to take a quarterback. I think Greer would be the only interesting one in the third that the Redskins would probably wanna take. I think that they're trying to find a franchise quarterback mcluhan told kind he only thinks one quarterback in that's Murray or he implied Marie because he's selling his information. But you basically take away was there's only one first round quarterback. And that's Murray sweet. All right. Prioritise right now because there are a lot of needs. What is the most important need for the Redskins going into this draft? Quarterback. Okay. After quarter. Let's say you want to let you say for this season. Right. Even if you got Rosen that lock any of these guys they're not gonna start. It is a good situation. You're gonna start keenum or McCoy not if you trade for Rosen, you're not. That's a debate. Really? I think so if you if you make a big trade for Josh Rosen, you gotta play him. And he doesn't start a right now. I'll bet you five hundred dollars if they trade Perot's, and he is the starter day one five hundred bucks that call won't come from the head coach. That's great. That's so encouraging because the head coach awesome. I bet you five hundred dollars right now. Fill some pressure to win football games, and is gonna lose some football games. Josh Rosen starting quarterback this season. So he may come in at some point in in maybe early, but I'll bet you that keenum or McCoy would be your starters to kick the season that's about right? So whatever you with that trade, assuming the trade if they trade for Rosen. I will bet you right now even money. All right. Five hundred bucks that Rosen's the starter day one. I'm not gonna take the bet. I'm not gonna say that calls not coming in. But. Well, telling you that I'll bet you five hundred bucks. Jay doesn't wanna start Rosen. Well, then then you know, what they shouldn't trade for road trade for him. There's no problem with not having guy play the second. You freaking get him. I understand rapper until Christmas. That's totally fair. But you know, what Jake Rudin because he needs to win if he has any influence on any of these decisions is going to say, I need a pass rusher. A wide receiver and of corner, I need it now and the end more than you need a rec- or titan at fifteen overall or with our second round pick that you wanna trade for Josh Rosen who's not going to be ready for us for a few years. And by the way, he's only got he's got four years. He's got three years left on the rookie deal with the team for v. So you can view it as as four years left. But I he if Rosen if you're telling me that he he would pick Colt McCoy or case keenum right now over Josh Rosen as the starter in twenty nineteen then the. Trade is going to be made by Bruce. And then I think I even feel better about hill. He'll absolutely order Gruden to start. Josh rosen. He and Dan will in the opener. There's no way they're gonna sell. Josh Rosen tickets and all summer long, and then have him sitting over there. Hold the clipboard in the opener. Well, what would you do? I think Rosen's I think Rosen might be better than both of them. Anyway, I not right now. Okay. You're not. He's not close keenum right now coal. We just don't know. But he's not keenum right now Colt might not even be ready in. Oh, by the way, we haven't even considered this. I did when they made the trade for keenum. We'll be ready that Colt potentially could get released or traded. If they were to trade for Josh Rosen. The I might go to Zona. Maybe that's maybe that's part of the deal. Maybe although would you really want Colt tobacco Cuyler Murray may? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I haven't I knew along with anybody. But dudes love. Yeah. Sure that if you were Murray look at and say, look this has been a backup career at a backup RG three at a backup Kirk cousins. He's he was going to have to back up them potentially. He's just my backup. So here's the trade. You gotta give up your second. You gotta give up number forty six overall. But you're going to also include Colt McCoy and Josh Doksan for Josh Rosen. And you keep your keep the picks. And and you know, what this your fifth is not like. Heavy interesting if you package, Josh docs, and Colt McCoy, you're gonna fit. You think the two of them together only bring back a v it's a four. I don't know that the value Cole McCoy is at any given time. Josh rosen. Josh dachshund's, not getting you're not getting anything for him. Well, even you're going to be seventh. Yeah. You'd get on may just throw in a seven. You're not sorry. Sorry. No one's trading for him. It would be conditional. It would be conditional pick. You know, if he played and produced you end up getting something may, maybe maybe a fifth, and then if not you're probably gonna sixth. Right. You ask the needs. You need a pass rusher. You need a tight end. I love a couple of tight ends the kid out of San Diego states. Really good talking sins shorting fifteen and then the kid outta am can do some things as well. 'em and San Diego State could be your second round. Or if it were there. I don't know if they fall third the guy from San Diego State is is his last name wearing or warring whatever warring, but do you like him, by the way, the tight end? Remember when we had the last conversation, you probably don't remember about Josh Rosen. And I said who is that tight end that he threw to over and over again in two thousand seventeen in particular. It's Caleb Wilson. Do you like him? Have you looked at him? No. 'cause I don't really I think he's an H back. He's projected somewhere in the second third around h back. Do you don't need an H back right now. Redskins have more money tied up in the recap and titans than any other team right now ridiculous. And you thousand eighteen and I'm telling you that their biggest need on offense the tight end. Well, don't you think they're going to release Vernon Davis? If they drafted tight end one hundred percent. Yeah. Okay. So do you like hock incen- or fan the two two items? I get close. I don't like fat. Okay. So Hopkinson Hawkins Hopkinson for those of you. Are wondering is the white guy that wears number thirty eight fans the fans the six four black is a four or five can really run. Yeah. He's not a pure out runner. He's not a blocker really to any extent. It's not they can't. But he's technique poor in in the run game hockey. How to do anything? He's he can do everything just he's got to improve a little bit in the run game as a pass catcher other than when he's he gets pressed or when he gets contacted downfield what she is a magnet for either out runner. Like is the federal magnet down the field. But he can't he can't get up ego work with that he can get he's faceting stress the field. He finds some old Jones got really great. He's got really good hands. But you don't have to teach him anything like he's a starter tomorrow as a why he can play ninety percent plays. Plus if you wanted to I swear to God if they draft TJ Hopkinson, I'm gonna be so angry that you're not coaching. So angry that you're not as coach though, I'm no, I'm not I'm not talking about that. I'm not I'm not a coach because you should be. And he he's you every time I watched the TJ Hopkinson. Video real. It's Chris Cooley is see a better prospect than you are. Yeah. Right now, he's definitely a better prospect than I was he's he's played in a big time conference. You big time filming I have big time. Phil, dude, I bawled against Louisiana Monroe. Pretty good game against Nebraska, any ran like a four six something. Whatever I run for eight of the coming. So you ran for Jesus night ran four six seven at my pro. So whatever that's worth. But I do like I like I like him a lot you need a receiver. I watched a bunch of decay Metcalf. I. I would be so angry if they took decay Metcalf. I do I totally. I'm totally in agreement with you. Is he is I have a comment for him. But I'm not gonna say you, you know, who he's just a faster version of this player. He has no route tree he looks like a baby deer half the time. Can't find his feet can't find his now he's not like he doesn't have quick feet every once in a while. And apparently he looked like te'o pro day, but I watch it and you you put him on tape. He ain't the dude. I out of that team is AJ Brown. Who is a dude? I'd love drafting AJ Brown on the second. He will he will wear number one at old miss. Yeah. Player Seaver on that team. Last year was not became at calf. I came Metcalf is a first down deep threat. That's it. One trick pony right now. The dude is AJ Brown. I think I had this conversation with JP maybe two weeks ago. And I said, I don't like Metcalf. I like marquees Brown. I like Paris Campbell Campbell. The me looks like Sean Jackson. He looks like a Sean Jackson type and the thing about Metcalf on when you watch him. He he's a chest catcher not a hands catcher. Well, you make the circus catches down the field, which is crazy. But you see all these catches coming back to the ball where he's got dropped. Here's the thing Metcalf. You gets one step and you're not running down. He is insanely fast and it transcends into the field when he's going Bertel, but he does not get off press. Well, he does not have a plan. He does not have an adequate route. And what scares me the most about decay Metcalf? Honestly, they don't throw him the ball and critical situations. They don't throw him the ball on third down situations. They don't move them around the field. He played only outside and wide. Now, he played on both sides. But he's an outside. Go get it kinda guy. I can't win with that. In the league you have to be able to create matchups and he's not going to be a matchup guy. Do you like the two little guys that I mentioned Brown and both a little guys that you mentioned necessarily know if I love him fifteen, but no, no, no not at fifteen. I right now, I think both mcshea and Kuyper mocked Paris Campbell to the Redskins in the second round. He Chris Campbell. But if AJ Browns there from omiss, he'll if he were there in the second they had it. And I bet you you'd be there. I got you know, what I gotta do. I haven't done it yet. And maybe we'll do it right before the draft. I haven't given you my running backs for two thousand nineteen. I can just that's not one. That's one thing. We're really not interested in right? I know that. But, but I by still wanna tell you that right now, the one guy I love from the beginning of this year's Devon single Terry from Florida Atlantic, and I I don't know that I don't know where he's mocked. I think in like the second to third round range, but I love him. All right. What else did I have by the way? That toll best player available. If they had a running back that was best available fifteen like by far best available. There's no chance they draft him that would that would debunk that theory. Well, I think I think, you know, which arly Casserly in third has told us over the years. You get in big trouble. If you draft for need, and there's obviously there's obviously context we've talked about this one hundred times, I get I get into this argument with Tommy. But you you understand the context and that is if you've got a running back is the highest rated player on your board. And let's just say on a on a scale of one to one hundred and ninety three, but you've got a corner as the number ninety one guy you're going to take the corner, of course. But what you're not going to do is if the running backs ninety three on your board and your next highest rated players seventy nine you're gonna take the runningback or you're gonna try desperately to trade out of out of that spot. Yeah. I'm with you go. It changes Peron like in the first round you can reach two spots. In the second. Rounding prior each four spots on the third prior reach eight spots so on and so forth, you reach a few spots. Yes. And it's not necessarily per need. But not you're not saying. Player. You're not need to place the player, you're not taking a b plus player over an eight plus player for need. You're just not. But if you're a fifteen there's no way there's not a there's an ape player at fifteen and there's not anything less than a minus rain. Okay, fair. I agree. I had three running backs on your roster. Then the trade the pick. I would be very surprised if most NFL boards right now don't have a non quarterback as the fifteenth best player in the draft after Murray. Like, I can't imagine that lock or Jones or Haskins or any of them that there aren't fourteen players minimum much higher ranked than those players, which is why at fifteen overall. I if the Redskins end up taking a quarterback, I mean hope- hopefully, their right, but there's gonna be they're going to be some defensive players available at fifteen especially. Some of these quarterbacks go higher than they should go. Yeah. The thing is is with quarterback. It's worth so much the position dictates that. It's worth pass rusher. You should take whatever rating you have on a quarterback and times it by twenty five percent or fifty percent or add whatever value to the position. What's the value of a pass rusher? That's the next highest up. No doubt. Especially when that would be the next highest about you for sure. Because and then I mean, I want you to watch Montas sweat from Mississippi Montas wet, and I I like Montas wet. He's a baller. Then. There's I watched him, you know, who I like like reisner he plays. He played left tackle at K state last year. He played everywhere up and down the line. A lot of people have them as a guard. You're only allowed one pressure to Montas. What do you like, sweat or burns more from Florida state? Have you looked burns? I didn't watch burns very much. So I, but I like I like sweat a bunch. I like rising rising and just won't fall second. So I think one of the most one of the most fun things to watch last college football season was Mississippi state's defense just as they were also on defense. You don't like is that safety that we're thirty eight years. Awesome. I know you're talking about he's a head Mojo. They just hit. I mean, they they hit. But the Redskins don't need to say. Well, they do need to safety. But you're talking you're talking about you're talking about Abram you're talking about the kid Abram. Yeah. Jonathan you can play as as corner. You could I think so. Yeah, I think you can play him down. He played down on a lot as as kind of guy. You know, Maryland had a really good safety Darnell savage who I think is his getting a lot of run now as a potential second round pick. All right. All right, buddy. I gotta go. Anyway, just tell everybody right now what you have on your podcast coming up and you did this week. So they they can come listen, I did a decay Metcalf breakdown. I. Did in AJ Brown break down a little bit. We talk. We're we're gonna do third downs. I've been doing all the first down second down analysis. We're gonna do third downs. And then there's a really cool. Trey Quinn video. He sat and watched a bunch of film with me, you should go and check out the video, no Redskins dot com. It's really good the stuff that Cooley did with Trey Quinn, Quincy, good guy. Hopefully, a really good player to he's going to be a good player. I think all right talk waiter. What aren't thanks? All right. That was coolly. And he'll join us at least once a week leading up to the draft. And listen to his podcast. It's everywhere. You can get a podcast, and he's been doing film, breakdowns Corbin. Who is my son who is sitting in producing Aaron today has told me over and over again that he wants decay Metcalf to be the Redskins Vic at fifteen and I would have I told you told you that I'm not a Metcalf fan, right? You can speak. I do not like Metcalf, and I did not know what coolies film breakdown was. But it sounds like he didn't like. Kathy there Metcalf was a true indie combine, you know, sensation. He just doesn't look like a football player when you watch him their receivers that just look much more natural as receivers and Paris Campbell. If he is available to the Redskins in say the second round he to me looks like Sean Jackson. He is a true game-breaker quick word onset bird set. Birds a luxury fragrance subscription service. It's a way to discover new colognes for you guys or perfumes for your girlfriends or wives without having to buy an entire bottle right now. Good colognes good perfumes are very expensive. And once you've bought them. You're stuck even if you don't like it. So sent bird gives you an opportunity to try a perfume or Cologne for thirty days. It makes it easy for you. They've got four hundred fifty designer brands you to choose from each month. 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Sign on smell amazing. All right. We're gonna talk some final four here. And we're gonna bring Andy on to finish up the show. Final force tomorrow. Both games got smell tests here coming up as well. A moment. I what I said on Mondays what I believe today. There's no result. Tomorrow no result on Monday night. That would surprise me. I know that that is not, you know, going out on a on a limb with a big prediction, but I really feel after watching this tournament. And watching these four teams play that all four of them are capable of winning two games. Even with the matchups. They have the matchup that I think will be most difficult is Auburn beating Virginia. But I think he can happen. I just think that Virginia is a team that can slowdown fast teams, most coaches will tell you that it's. It's easier to slow down a fast team than it is to speed up a slow team. Auburn wants to run they scored ninety seven against North Carolina a team that wanted to run with him. And they blew him out with great great shooting and great guard play with Brown in Harper. They beat Kentucky overtime with phenomenal guard play with Brown and Harper Brown and Harper combined in that game for fifty of the team seventy seven points, but it is easier for Virginia to slow Auburn down. And it will be difficult for Auburn to speed up Virginia you've watched Virginia. Most of you have during the course of the year. You can't speed them up. You can press him. It doesn't speed up. They can handle the pressure. You try to speed them up with pressure defense with trapping the fences just doesn't work Virginia's going to play their game. They're going to keep this game in the sixties at best. And I do think of the two games even. Though, Michigan state's probably the team. I'm rooting for the most I think that the if I were to say that they're out of the two games tomorrow. I feel most confident about one of the two games it would be Virginia. But again, auburn's totally capable of winning that game and then winning on Monday night. But I do think that Virginia because again the ability to slow Auburn down a little bit. I think Virginia has the best chance of advancing of the fourteen tomorrow. This the second game the nightcap. Michigan state, Texas Tech. Is you know, right now, the the four coaches that are left in this final four are incredible. I was talking to Gary Williams the other day off the air, not on the podcast. And I said man coaching in this turn amounts been exceptional. Like, the the better coach teams have all advanced. And he said you're a hundred percent, right and all four of them. And he talked about Bruce Pearl who he's known for a long time. And he was Bruce can coach I mean, he's had BRUCE'S add some issue. Us, you know, he's at some various issues at Tennessee and other places, but Gary was like he can coach there's no doubting coach. And I think everybody knows that Tony Bennett and Tom Izzo are first rate coaches and crispier DHS proving at a Texas Tech a school that had not wanna tournament game. Since two thousand five now has advanced to the elite eight in the final four in back to back years. It'll be interesting to see what happens when this tournament is over with Chris beard, and whether or not he moves on somewhere, but he's a great coach, Texas Tech has a great team and very good underrated players jerk. Culver not underrated. He is a lottery picked by almost any any mock draft. You look at any college NBA projecting the draft in twenty twenty nineteen jerk. Culver is is a top half of the first round guy. But Moretti's a really good point. Guard Mooney can really. Handle the ball in shoot it as well Tarco ins who transferred from Saint John's as a as a fifth year grad transfer, basically narrowed it down last spring to Maryland and Texas Tech and Texas techy went to he went to Texas Tech because he thought he could get to the final four with Texas Tech. And here they are. And he is a shot blocker supreme. And he will have a couple of rim rattling dunks. That'll be as good as any you'll see in the tournament. But there is Michigan state that they've got to go up against not what I would call is those best team. It's not as those best team. He may win national championship with this team. It is a smart team though, with a very good high Q tough competitive point guard and caches Winston. And I I don't think this is the the most rugged or the most physical or the team that bullies teams around like some some Izzo teams in the past. But it is still, you know, rugged enough, and we saw that against Duke. And I think we will see two very tough defensive teams. Michigan state wants to run. Michigan state wants to take it off the glass and run Texas Tech doesn't mind a faster paced game, they're not Virginia necessarily, but they are very good defensively. This is a team that beat Michigan. You know to a pulp Michigan had six points with nine and a half minutes to go in the first half of that Sweet Sixteen game. And then they took Inzaghi out as well. I thought Inzaghi was as talented as any team in the draw, and they beat them the thing about Texas Tech. When you you know, if you're really looking at them for the first time because a lot of people don't watch him during the regular season. Even though they rake consistent top ten team for most of the year. They crushed people during the course of the season they have crushed people in. This tournament. They beat Michigan sixty three to forty four. They beat a very good MAC team a MAC champion in buffalo by twenty. This is a team that during the regular season beat Kansas by thirty beat West Virginia by thirty one West Virginia, West Virginia wasn't that? Great. But they crushed some decent teams during the course of the year, Texas who was playing pretty well at times they be Texas by twenty late late in the season. Very good basketball team. They went on the row actually was a neutral four-game and beat a good tough Nebraska team by twenty. They lost Duke this year and a tough game, you know, in late December Madison Square Garden, I think the game was competitive game. But Texas Tech's the real deal. I have no idea which way that one goes. But I do have a smell test pick in two of them. Coming up here. So overall, the takeaway is I would say that Virginia at of the two games. Tomorrow has the best chance of advancing. But no no result tomorrow or Monday night is going to surprise me. And it shouldn't surprise you all four teams are capable of winning two games and winning the national championship. And if you wanna say that, you know, sometimes you get to the final four after so many years like Virginia did Auburn and Texas Tech new to the final four that you're just happy to be there will then you would look at Michigan state, and you would say this is a team. That's always in. The hunt has been to plenty of final fours and his not won a national championship since two thousand that was the low national championship for Tom Izzo been to a lot of final fours. The low national championship for them. And the last big ten team the last big ten team to win a national championship. Was Michigan state in two thousand? Now the last team that is in that plays in the big ten that one national championship was Maryland. They just want it when they were in the ACC in two thousand two. All right. Let's get to the smell test looks with John Q public is putting their cash and does the opposite. It's test. All right. I think. I think my record for the tournament is thirteen and nine now against the spread. I was one in four that I had the four no Saturday last weekend. I it's thirteen nine overall for the tournament. I think that's right. That might be wrong might be twelve and eight I think it's twelve eight sorry. But whatever it's winning. I'm up for the tournament on the smell test either three or four units at this point. And I actually, you know, right now, the smell test criteria of sort of anti public plays applies to both games. Tomorrow Virginia's Lang five and a half. The public is on Auburn. I think the recent pressures and I'd given out Auburn both of their last games against North Carolina. And then against Kentucky both as five and a half point favorites or five and a half and four and a half against Kentucky. They're five and a half point underdog against UVA. I like you've Elaine the fine at five and a half. It is the the anti public saw. Side. I also do believe as I said before that this is the one game where I could see Virginia. Frustrating, Auburn slowing them down. Like, no one else has and winning. You know, a sixty seven fifty five kind of a game in the first semi-final. So take Virginia lay the five and a half. And then in the nightcap, Texas Tech is the right side. The public is playing Michigan state after they beat Duke over the weekend. I don't know that people believe in Texas Tech at this point. And I don't know why I think they're an excellent team in a very well coached team. And maybe the occasion of being in the final four ends up being too much for them. I guess that's possible. They just don't seem like the team. That's gonna get rattled though. I am personally going to root for Michigan state to win the game. But just by not more than two and a half right now that number is two and a half, you know, you should buy it too. Three and take Texas Tech plus the three in that game. But for the purposes of this smell test, we go with the lines on Friday and the line is two and a half take Texas Tech, plus the two and a half. So the to smell test picks are Virginia minus five and a half and Texas Tech plus the two and a half. I in my bracket, I had Virginia beating Michigan state in the final. And I think head to head with Aaron Tom I am now in the clear of winning the the brackets, which I did not think would happen at the beginning. I usually lose the bracket stuff. But excel more in the point spread stuff on a game by game basis. So Texas Tech plus the two and a half Virginia laying the five and a half. I can't wait to watch both of these games. I know dukes not in it and Carolina's not in it and Kentucky's not in it, and Kansas is in it. And the ratings aren't great for this. Final four. 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And you can find all of those at launch workplaces dot com. All right. Let's bring in Andy Poland who we haven't talked to in a couple of weeks. Perfect time to talk to you. We'll talk some final four here in a moment. But what a week, you know, it was with the return of Bryce Harper to NATs park. And then the firing of Ernie Grunfeld Tommy was on with me yesterday, by the way. I haven't said this on the podcast today. Re Tommy's column in the Washington Times today. It's exceptional. I, you know, I've said this to him many times, I think you feel sort of the same way. I don't think anybody in town does what Tommy does better than what Tommy does. And that is no one attacks the way he does in with his with his, you know, imprint he just does it. So well, he does it in short-form and today's column was brilliant. But what did you make? Did you make the week starting with Bryce Harper? Well, it's nice that they snuck it in as you know, we were in -ticipant, you know, one of the biggest baseball moments we've ever had here with the return of Bryce Harper. Not that it was is unexpected. But yeah, I mean, Tom nail. And this has been going on for a long time with with Ted Leonsis, enabling Ernie to undercut the various coaches that he's had. And you know, people have wondered what was the deal there? The I had a theory. I don't know if it's true or not, but I'm sticking to it. I believe it's because Ted played pickup basketball and New York with Bernard pain, come on know, how does he explain this? I mean, this isn't this isn't like the George McPhee situation where the caps were producing really good teams year after year, and they built around a superstar Alex of education and it worked out. Well, this was a situation which was disaster for a long period of time and. How do you? Explain Ernie Grunfeld staying for eight years under Ted Leonsis when he seemingly was teetering on the brink when they bought the team. I, you know, I don't wanna get into it because I got into with Tommy the other day, and I am totally in favor of of the of Ernie being fired. And I've been I've felt that way for for at least three years, but you know, this wasn't a team over the last, you know, four or five years that was going nineteen and sixty three cheer. You know is a team that had gone to the postseason four out of five years in the two years that they weren't going to be in the postseason this year and in two thousand fifteen sixteen were injury riddled seasons in so I he deserves to go. The bottom line is at sixteen years to produce something a lot better, and he didn't period period and discussion. So I I'm totally in favor of it. But the funny thing is, you know. When Tommy and I used to do that lunch with a legend thing, and we did Ted that one year. God. I mean, the time he was insufferable during that interview. But the one thing that I think I learned from him. Is that basketball is Ted's? I love you know, that's what he loves. I mean, he got involved in this thing to eventually own the wizards, you know, the cattle the caps were the entree to owning an NBA team his Ted loves basketball and he's built a terrific hockey situation. And you know, when you going to his arena for any sporting event any concert. It's a first rate experience. I mean, I think he does that really well, but the basketball team just hasn't been good enough in he coulda fired or any three or four years ago. The problem with firing him like four years ago was you at the beginning of this. John wall, Bradley Beal run, you know, but he missed much more often than he hit. Yeah. I mean, look they had a rebuild Ernie was able to have to the first Gilbert arenas rebuild flamed out. He had the opportunity to rebuild again. And you had the number one pick overall in John wall number three pick overall and Bradley Beal number three pick overall and porter that should be enough to get you into contention to contend for the at least the Eastern Conference championship every year. And they weren't you were never gonna win these conference championship with LeBron east that was never going to happen. But you could have competed to get to these string conference finals. Well, and they, but they would have had John wall not gotten hurt against Atlanta. I mean, you can say that too because they would they were on their way to to being in the Eastern Conference finals against LeBron. When when Walgad hurt you know in the in the Atlanta series. I mean, that's that's all true. But I also think that had maybe he's saying I'm got a clean slate. And whatever happened in the first go round with Ernie under Abe. You know, I'm putting that aside. I'm not going to be concerned with it. I'm only going to be concerned with how I deal with them. But even still and the other part of it is and and and Tom is right. I mean, Ernie has has gotten relationships certain people in the media, and I'm sure he's developed a relationship with the with pets say in the trade. He's a Hamish guy. He's very likable guy. You know? And I understand it. He always was before we get to the final for you know, there's a lot of smoke now around Josh Rosen to the Redskins. What you know, it's cool. And I were just talking about this to me the two biggest that Josh take Marie off the table. Josh Rosen is a bigger is is a. Bigger jolt a bigger boost marketing wise than any quarter other quarterback they could draft in the first round. Really? I do believe. Yeah. I do. I I'm not sure I do. I mean, we've already seen him play seen and play against you know, I guess you play against the Redskins in that game. But I think having already seen him play in the NFL. There's not the intrigued Kyla Mery. Could. In fact, we know no, I'm taking I'm taking Marie off the table. Hurry. Of course, would be the biggest the biggest move since they traded up in drafted RG three. I'm just saying if you soom Cada Murray goes number one that Josh Rosen put side by side with twain Haskins drew lock Daniel Jones. Josh Rosen is the bigger marketing hit. Yeah. Well, I mean have certainly has his close because people seem play most Redskin fans never saw drew locker Daniel Jones play. They didn't hear about him until they started to focus on the draft. But they know Josh Rosen was and they knew Josh Rosen last year. But Nevada who comes in here, you know, unless unless you're going to bring in Tom Brady for less couple years of his career that place is going to be a ghost town this year. I don't think I don't think there's really anything that can get the fan base excited other than if they rip off, you know, four out of there. I, you know, five games get wins other than that. It's going to be just like last year. Nobody's going to games. I don't disagree with you on that. I think it's so far beyond just adding a big name or a big new quarterback that it's going to have to come with a years worth of winning or of a super start. You know, a six in one start with the quarterback looking like he's going to be an all pro quarterback. It's going to have to something like that. I agree with you, by the way on Rosen four the Jewish community in town. Yes. How big would that be like? Would be enormous. I mean that would we've already even talked about it at our Jewish sports hall of fame meeting. I can't tell you who's been -ducted this who's going to be inducted this year. But yes. You know, what I wonder I wonder sue in all seriousness what kind of business impact trading for. Josh Rosen would have the Redskins have lost a lot of business corporate ticketing corporate ticket relationships corporate sponsor relationships. I thought about that. I I mean, just ob- survey Xinle, it would be I think that there. I guarantee you that Dan Snyder has thought about what Josh Rosen being the Redskins quarterback could mean, and you do realize that he's half gentile, right? Yes. Yes. We're he's what I am taken. We've drafted him. We're we're we took him in the third round. So we're we're good with him. Also with no the Dan. Nutters jewish. No. That's what I'm saying. I would think that that Dan would have just the sense of what it could mean, you know, from a business standpoint to have him as starting quarterback, I can't speak for the entire Jewish business community. But I know people who are in it. And hate dance Neider bright. Of course, you down. So I don't know how much that's that's going to help either. But hey, look in terms of of that it probably can't hurt. You know, his upbringing is very interesting, and I Dennis with it because you know, I'm half. And so and and he he had a Jewish father. But a Christian mother, I think I think the mother is Catholic I could be wrong about that. But but a Christian mother, and he went to Catholic schools. Yeah. You don't. He went to Catholic high school Josh Rosen. I mean, how much more can you right? So. Yeah, I, and I don't know how much he would embrace it. And I also that's another thing that critical of him is how much does the embrace football. Does. He really love football. I think that's open for debate too. I don't know him at all. But that's that's some of things here in read as you. Yeah. I read the the more quote earlier in the show ready to Cooley to. 'cause I I remember it last night that more ahead had said something critical about Rozen a year ago, and it was from an interview with Peter King. And I'm finding it right now. This was the quote, he needs to be challenged intellectually. So he doesn't get bored. He's a millennial. He wants to know why millennials once they know why they're good. Josh has a lot of interests in life. If you can hold his concentration level and focus only on football for a few years. He'll set the world on fire. He has so much ability. And he's a really good kid. And that's been the discussion about Rosa. And how much does he love football? How much do his other interests in life? How much will they get in the way of him, you know, focusing on just football. He comes from affluence. Will that be an impact he had injuries including concussions and what happens if he has another serious concussion? Will he decide he doesn't need football? So all of that is relevant when you're evaluating them. Also, look at this organization is this an organization where its heat to concentrate on football. There's always so much other stuff going on during the season that the laser focused that guys from other organizations seem to be able to get probably they can't get here. Right. Yep. All right. You wanted to talk real quickly about the final four and an anniversary date of of of championship game. We gotta miss it last week. But the the game that Georgetown lost Villanova is is so incredible in so many ways this was the last game before the shot clock. Now, they put in initially forty five second shot clock. So even though they'd gone back and looked at the tape. There weren't that many possessions where Villanova held it for more than forty five seconds. But it was a factor. Right. And and they were able to hold the ball. They were able to put together an incredible shooting performance shot seventy eight percent and frustrate. What could have been maybe the greatest team of all time. And they didn't have Michael Graham who'd been a key player the year before when Georgetown won the national championship. But you look at that team that Georgetown had with Patrick Ewing as senior and Reggie Williams who was a freshman on that team. And a great player became the. Number three, pick of the draft. When he finally graduated in eighty seven that is that's an unbelievable assortment of talent, and what Villanova was able to do. And I mean, they had pro players Ed pick the had a good NBA career. They had a couple of guys who played in the league. But that is that is one of the all-time accomplishments. I think in the history of basketball, and it was it was a real change or in in the way the tournament. You know was looked at and also you gotta remember that was also the first year of the sixty four teams in the tournament. It had been forty eight prior to that and or maybe fifty three year before. But the fact they was sixty four was the only way Villanova got in and they got in as an eight seed and and won the national championship against the team that lost three times during the regular season. It was one it was such a memorable game. You know, during a stretch of great finals, you know, that started in eighty two with Michael Jordan shot to beat Georgetown. And then the NC state over Houston. Eighty three then Georgetown, not in a buzzer beater beat Houston the following year in the NCW championship. And then you had the Villanova Georgetown final, you know, one of the things that's interesting about that game. And I just pulled it up as you were talking. Villanova shot seventy eight percent from the floor Georgetown shot fifty five percent from floor. You know, they played you know, a good game as well. The other interesting thing about that particular run for Villanova is that they had you know, they went in as a as a as an eight seed going into into that tournament. They had lost early in the biggies tournament during the course of the year against Georgetown. They had lost both games against Georgetown. But that particular year they played Maryland in the regular season at coalfield house and Maryland Villanova that year Cole. And then they faced Maryland in the Sweet Sixteen that year in Birmingham, Alabama and beat Maryland forty six to forty three in a game that turned out to be lend biases worst game. Of his career. He showed that something shut three for fifteen. If my memory serves me serves me correctly from the floor had a totally awful game for him. Any was brilliant in the game that they had beaten Villanova during the regular season and Maryland still only lost the game by three. It was the worst game of his career and Villanova needed it to be the worst game of his career or they would have never gotten out of the Sweet Sixteen and then they went on and they beat North Carolina in the elite eight, and then I think it was Memphis was at Memphis in the semi's. I think it was Memphis head to head devait that couple of other things also with that seventy eight percent, I just came across this a little outgo the overhead seventeen turnovers in that game. Did that really look on? Hold on. I pulled up. I had the had the box where their second. I didn't look for the turn of look for the t. Turnovers. Well in seventeen turnovers. Wow. Yeah. And they won the game. Will they only they only had twenty eight field goal temps for the game. They may twenty two twenty but they got to the free throw line. They got the free throw line. And the other thing about that that Maryland regular season game that was a game. That was nationally televised. Was I by NBC? Now. This was after the split, you know, Packer. Billy Packer had left and gone to CBS few years earlier. So this was end Berghout McGuire. And Mark plant ski has to come in and guard Len bias and guar says on TV up to center policies to the plant. Ski family goes went by great player, and he's about to use their son and empa- bias had a dunk in that game over Ed pick me that I've seen on YouTube in recent years that was unbelievable. He went off. They they beat him that day. You know? It's funny about that dandy in. I swear to God this happened Maryland in they weren't the only team that did this that you played sometimes back to back games on a weekend that particular weekend. Maryland played Notre Dame on the Saturday at home and beat Notre Dame. And then played Villanova the next day and beat them non conference game to non conference games in January on January, relate February and they played back to back days and beat both of those teams at Cole and Maryland was a really good team that year. I mean, they they had those back to back years where they lost Illinois in the Sweet Sixteen villanovan, the Sweet Sixteen and I felt like Maryland was better than both of those teams that they lost do. But but Villanova went on after surviving Maryland and Len buys his worst game of his career in the in the tournament to win the national. Championship. Deadling was so much better. I mean think about that you're not you're playing those two teams back back Notre Dame and Villanova. And then you got an ACC schedule as your plan North Carolina Duke twice a year. I mean that things were so much better, scheduling wise that so much better. But did you would never I mean, it's been years since teams played back to back games on a weekend. You know in until until you got to wonder if part of that was just preparing for the ACC tournament. And you know, because he yeah, there's that and gotta realize eighty four ESPN's only five years old. So the big money games are weekend game yet Trela vise by networks. So the networks were more interested in putting those games on Saturday and Sunday. So that's the way it worked. I guess the school gets a cut of that. Isn't that the way that works yet? Sony thing. So listen to this because I just pulled up Maryland scheduled from from eighty four eighty five here, it is on Saturday January twenty six they played Notre Dame on Sunday, January twenty seventh. They played Villanova. But listen to the week leading up to it the Saturday before they went to Nevada Las Vegas in played UNLV and then had a home game on Monday night against Holy Cross. So they played four games in mid to late January that were non conference games now back, then the wasn't you know, you had Georgia Tech in the league. So it was in eighteen league. Florida state was not yet in the league's it was in eighteen league. So you only played fourteen conference game. So you had to have non conference games. They also had Old Dominion Taus on the schedule, you know, in February. So that, but but what a week, you know, UNLV? Holy Cross Notre Dame and Villanova. Yeah. And and. The left us to get killed for a lot of things, but he scheduled time John tops planned, Saint Leo and actually Notre Dame and Villanova back to back. We'll listen to this. That year started Maryland played Kansas. They had Tennessee West Virginia, Alabama, Ohio State all on the schedule before the end of December. And then once the season started in season. In addition the ACC teams they played Dayton. Who was good back? Then LV Notre Dame Villanova non-conference now left the lefty, you know, he and he liked to play the big boys yet he's scheduled UCLA at the beginning of one season e he was like that. That's that's that's incredibly look back. Yeah. The back toback thing is is crazy. All right. Yeah. That was that was a phenomenal game. In one of the great upsets in the history of of sports. Really? I mean, no, I was there. I. I was there for UPI out. Remember reading Rudy March column in USA today that day he'd interviewed Brent Musburger and Billy Packer. And they both said, yeah, we've got a lot of material planned to keep yours interest expected blow-out happens and it never happened. You know, what's interesting about that over the years when when big John would talk about that game. He said one of the things they knew going in playing Villanova versus playing Memphis is that Villanova wasn't going to be afraid. You know, they they were the million with Georgetown. They played them twice during the regular season did not play in that year in the biggies tournament. But played them, you know in two relatively tough difficult games during the regular season. And he knew you know, he would much rather played Memphis state. It was and I think that was the Keith Lee Memphis state team and would much rather play a team that would have been more intimidated by Georgetown. Georgetown was an intimidating team in the eighties with the full court pressure. And and Ewing the whole thing. And also if Memphis had won that game they would have had to vacate because that's what they did. Then right and final four appearance was bake it because they cheated their butts off they did that was that. We I think Gary beat Memphis, Gary lose to Memphis at BC or beat Memphis. I think he'd beat Memphis in the loss to Virginia in the in the elite eight with one of his BC teams in eighty three that might have been might been eighty four to forget. All right. Thanks, good to talk you. All right. Enjoy the games this weekend. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks. All right. That's Andy pre sheet that Cooley coming on. Enjoy the podcast over the weekend will be back Monday talking about the two final four games potentially. Who knows talking about? Josh Rosen trade. I will tell you that. If there is a Josh Rosen trade like over the weekend or a big move. We will come in and do a podcast immediately. If something like that happens. Don't forget. It to subscribe to the podcast and review. 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Joe Rosen longtime managing editor of the daily racing form about what it was like at the Bible back in those days when Lionel time machines pneumatic tubes and characters straight out of guys and dolls put that and other newspapers out on the street on a daily basis. My conversation with Joe took place in a memorable venue the Whitney viewing stand overlooking the Oklahoma training track in Saratoga. Of course doing an interview outside like that means you're going to hear among other things wind noises and track noises. Since the Oklahoma maintenance crew failed to recognize the podcast royalty on the viewing stand. Joe Talk to us about how we got started working at the daily racing form like so many of us involved in racing in the newspaper Business. It began as a family thing. And it hearken back to those long ago days when cell phones weren't even contemplated by the creators of the jetsons. Father was the editor of the morning. Telegraph daily racing for back. I think he was probably named editor sometime in the fifties by Sam Pearlman. Who was then editor publisher? He was a Canadian. How he became connected with Walter. Annenberg who own those properties Alteration forms who wanted Chicago. La Seattle the racing form that was published in in Miami during the winters for the winter meetings By Walter Triangle Publications Basically through most of the years that certainly all these. My father worked there through most of the years that I worked. How do I get become involved? I guess to my father terribly interested in racing as a kid gloves. Sports or basketball and baseball racing didn't mean much to me And actually one of my first memories of racing was my father who was thought to be by everybody who knew him to be really a superior handicapper. And that's how we started. He started actually As BETTING AGENT. I guess he was in his early twenties. He might have been an agent. Says the same thing as a bookie or no bed for her you you. You're aware the horse outside. I am not the Glenn Derby I think he was a a triple crown contender so very he was owned by Gannett now Sabbath And my father bet for owl Sabbath. My father was betting thousands of dollars. Okay so al. Sabotage never seen a horse. Yeah other than somebody pulling a wagon in New York City and never been to a racetrack betting thousands of dollars And apparently the story that I recall my father telling was that it was a there was a very rainy day. Tracks throughout the nation were extremely muddy. Or wherever Al Sabah? The pet and my father pet begged him not to To play that day because the tracks were off. Okay honey insisted that my father That four and my father would get a percentage of the train. I guess they got killed and I think my father at that point said. I've had enough to do this anymore. my father was a handicap of force on the call. The daily running horse. I think which was offshoot. Somehow racy form then. He became a handicapper for racing form Whoever was running the place the time recognized? Editorial abilities follows. I think graduated from high school. Maybe but I mean he was extremely well. Read and New the English language and was extremely bright. Somebody recognized it alternately. He became the editor of the racing. Believe in the fifties. Okay in any case I became interested in racing sometime when I guess about eighteen or nineteen. When I was going to college I was going to specify I used to defend. Might take a cab from classes overcharged state park and which was pretty close by. But any case I you know I I was interested in and it was an easy thing. He's the transition for me to work at the mercy for him during the summer to Copy boy two selections at all the small tracks to Charlestown and Shannon downs and Some of the Maryland half miles. Whatever had to be done? I would do that. we compile the consensus at times And then eventually ended up working on the copy desk part time and ultimately after I graduate I ended up. Nyu and went to graduate. School Columbia. Went to Columbia Graduate School Journalism Journalism and a got a A A massacring Elizabeth from Columbia and right at that time that was about that was nine hundred sixty six. I went to work fulltime for the racing format. I always thought well it was some sense. Obviously my father was the editor that didn't hurt but then again it wasn't every day that the racing form would find a young employee who knew racing as well as I knew it but also had a degree earl Walked off the street that that that quickly so the case. That's what When I saw a working at the racing form joy reminded us that as you would imagine working at the racing form or the Morning Telegraph and taking an active monitoring interest in the product. Being discussed was not at all unusual. Let's face it if you work for Stars and Stripes. You're going to be doing a lot of saluting right. No difference really. Everybody was betting it was action. All the time It was just a fun place to work the executives most of the bed and I do have that image in my mind that I will be with me till my last day. So the first race going off at at Generally similar several tracks simultaneously. I one or one thirty and several executives father. The Business Manager Assistant editor could be a few other people. Walk into the wire room where the results with come in. Okay all right. Yeah and The first race would come in and see all these high powered executives walking out snapping their fingers. At least at least they were live a double. That used to be some people betting ten twenty dollars a race. That wasn't enough accurate that maybe waiting over the machine. For the result they'd be betting dimes ahead in an unsuccessful attempt at some union. Busting the form left behind in New York City routes and moved to dare I say. Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey but hold on tight because they didn't take Joe into account then we moved to New Jersey good extensively To escape The unions they want to get away from the it which was printers union. They WanNa get away from the newspaper. Guild which represented the editorial workers. They pretty much got away from the. It you they did not get away from the newspaper Guild. Thanks to me because I organized in New Jersey doesn't seem far enough to get away from unions. Well it's central. Jersey was pretty far because all kinds of Trenton. There was much weaker local but we actually negotiated a contract not that particular interesting nobody else that was based on a New York contract so we got paid the same amount of scale the same scale same amount of money that is if you worked at the New York Times. Thanks to his education and his native smarts. Joe was nevertheless up the ladder internally but even though the offices have moved south the same vibe still existed. I think. By that time I had been named Regional editor I own some title. I was the editor of the eastern traditions. Other racing form and again we used to fool around. We had a lot of laughs We were all betting. We all loved racing. We had her own anti copy contests went on for years baseline stakes racing sakes racist and I remember the year that I wanted. I went three thousand dollars. Which is a Lotta money back? And as I mentioned earlier the form headed share of Runyon esque characters when we had handicappers what a particular was was a felony Danny Cohen who originally added capped for the racing for made selections under the name breakout. Okay and he he had to sayings which I still stick with me to this to this day I remember one time. He put He made a best bet of a first time starter in a. I guess it was a three furlong race at the fairgrounds. It started on turn. And you know I'm sure the horse probably ran out of the money. But at that point he is his reasoning. Was that he We'll take it to. He said he had a right to be wrong. And the other watch. More realistic was that Just because he put him on top doesn't many liked him fun. Using handicapper named Is Handicapped name is long shot? Gaffney is real name was jewel Schanzer. Okay and I think he got the name Longshot Gafni because I don't think he'd probably ever picked horse that was more than eight to five Had A friend who I guess was a minor member of the MoD or maybe a major member I know but I mean he was. He was a mobster of some sort of source of tips. That I don't know but I remember him speaking of the guy such warm term saying he's a great guy a wonderful 'cause I just I mean he'll do anything for you. It gives you the shirt off his back but don't step on his toes. What do you think we will do anything to you? Run the handicaps with right. Comments in in racing for for each worse in many of the major tracks was part their assignment to have provide odds make selections also write a comment Should improve all that kind of sets and I remember sworn handing. It must have been very jaded that day and just it had it and was sick of looking at bad horses. The best performance is a bad horses and wrote out his comment which then had to be setting type by somebody which I find is the most amazing thing The road of the Horse Shit House which I took his accurate. Probably the more most accurate today And somehow that got set and it goes said Thai proofed and appeared in public in the paper that I remember. That was a major fewer. I don't think hopefully wasn't fired but I think probably a guilt chairman in today's I probably had to go to a Grievance Committee beating to Save Them I told remember Oh man yes I remember always remember all of us thinking. Yeah that's right. It's accurate right absolutely true. Yeah fortunately the horse didn't pop up and pay you know sixty big balloons later. Because he was being stiffed and much as you may have already suspected the nom de plumes under which handicapping selections were divulged. Were oftentimes the work of more than one Phnom. We became In such a rush to get the paper out every after late afternoon to get it out on time because to be shipped to you know to all of these coast that they broke up the handicapping to public never knew that. But that ray count didn't really exist or sharp shoot or whatever the name data with the one guy with three races another guy with racist guy to three races they need another say set of selections that Same Guy Might simply pick another two or three horses which was a brand name basically. Yeah it was essentially phony. I found it to stay for myself. He's still in there right in the. Yeah so what goes onto no idea how they do it. But I know in the days that I worked in in height style where we published these tradition that that harvest was three guys five guys three different every day. It's was really in substance fraudulent. Everyone's on a need to know basis. I think you know it wasn't all runyon EST ribaldry though those who worked in the form like Joe and his dad had great affection for the sport that was part of their everyday life in great affection for the people who put on that show every day that my father my father used to the jockeys put on a A banquet every year they raise money. I think for their insurance funder. Whatever but I think it was. The money went to H- went to help disabled riders. And all that kind of stuff and they put on a banquet every year and with that banquet there was a a show that was written generally parodies to popular music. And all my folly would ride all those parodies and they were performed by at Carroll. Pd Anderson and Bill Heart attack and the Ted Atkinson and you know all the writers who were covered in the fifties And they were quite good shows and then we get sees emcees of some I think of some renown at the time but before they became really major stars. Like Sammy Davis Junior was an emcee. Johnny Carson was an inswinging really directed by by people who are in in the profession. They were professionally directed I remember one of the directors was the I forget his name. But you might remember the Sergeant Bilko Show Heartening Rally. Okay all right and that guy was a director of of many. I think he wasn't director many of those shows and they were really quite funny in the chocks would dress in drag and in those days. That was both acceptable. And like it's funny you mom and follow our for all that during the forms. Nineteen sixty heydays a pair of JOE's one not at all average in the other on average either probably closer to average Joe and employed. The firm made an unlikely pair of roommates. This Felix and Oscar pairing at its origins in the common friendship. They had with sunny workplan owner of the New York jets chairman of Madison Square Garden and a major shareholder of Monmouth Park. Joe Name back in the late sixties was the toast of the town and But I think what a lot of people don't know. Was that Joe Hirsch. The racing form was his roommate correct. Yeah yeah which is not a coupling. You would've thought of No didn't seem to have on Una face a whole lot in comm- Joe Hirsch was and is still of course. One of the more influential journalists. We've ever covered our sport. The esteem he has held into this day is reflected in the naming of the Joe Hirsch Turf. Classic are grade. One event held every September Belmont Park. It was Ali mentioned Joe. Her shoes he he got a job with a racing form through my brother okay. My brother was A teenager we lived on the upper west side of Manhattan and He had a friend name Ritchie who Had A friend who had a brother who turned alternately to be a TV produce in any case. This friend of had another friend who was an who's graduated from nyu is looking for a job would be alright. Would would it be okay if he sent him up to my father to be interviewed and Osho Hershey? My father hired overshoot that point. Wow Wow okay okay. But he ended up being the dean of turf riders. Are I mean? He was brought into the nineties. I think anyway. Didn't he if not a little beyond that Joe? Didn't he write for the form into like well into the nineteen ninety on that? Yeah Yeah perhaps one of the most legendary names to ever grace. The pages of the old form was Charles. Hatton who wrote the memorable line. After one of raise a native's workouts raise a native work down to Belmont back stretch this morning. The trees swayed. I Love Charleston I in Kosovo intimate of Charles had but I mean I liked him allied with a great writer. I mean he He he really did have the ability to coin face that became cliche but they weren't cliches when he coined them you know that became cliches after he battery coined him. He was a very clever man. also coin. Nice to me very quiet During the winter he used to I think he he used to do the year summary that that was published to know stays in the in the in the The manual yeah. Okay yeah any used to ride in the library. I guess he had all the the Information. I needed the help of Steve Asking. Who is probably the librarian or the Assistant Librarian Co at both New York and then subsequently New Jersey But he was a very nice guy put really quite a good writer. I mean He was he was excellent. Joe Hirsch Charles. Hatton were far from the only thoughtful. Erudite thoroughly professional writers. That grace the pages of the form however when another very good writer was Bob who it was quite a silas ability that that Hatton had thought he really knew racing. And had you know interesting things to say about you know about about horses and racist that he saw I'm not so sure that the writers who subsequently wrote for the racing form that quite the insight or ability that those guys had a Barney Nagler was great Ryan to Barney was a tremendous silence. I don't know that he was particularly interested in the nuance of racing. But I mean he was really quite a good writer and I always admired him because as a writer I remember coming to Saratoga. One time going to the press box here column to write and he sat down and wrote one page two pages three pages and it's done I in. I thought too much. I can't write that way. How did they do that? Yeah I can't I don't have that ability to sit just right three perfect pages submitted you know he was a very talented guy And also extremely well read and your Diet Joe. Raise an interesting point about how racing has changed the public perception. That had not occurred to me before but as one well worth pondering was much more popular back. Then let's face it right and so you were probably more likely to be able to hire people that not only loved racing but had other pursuits other interests. And I don't know I mean ray again i. I'm not really conversing with racing Now but when I left it was starting to become. It seemed to me like a lottery when you go to racetrack in bed on five or ten different race tracks and you can. You can have post time coming up for four different rations than people I mean to me. That's you might as well be playing you know a lottery rather I always loved racing was the thing. I loved about racing was was an intellectual pursuit. It was against everybody else. There you all are. We're all operating with the same basic information And we're all reaching different conclusions. I'm of US are going to be right and some of US going to be wrong and I thought that was what made it interesting that it was all there in the PP's and it was up to you to figure it out otherwise you could just bet numbers or colors that you know was nonsense once to me lost the sense of being an intellectual pursuit of with no longer to make in this day of satellite printing plants. Such you can buy for instance the New York Times a USA Today in the most remote regions of the country. It's worth remembering that. It wasn't always that way so you had like. Let's say eight or ten running lines choice. Then you must have had to like keep that horse in set in type. Yes until the next time he showed up and then after my memory is that there was like a wall of them. I don't remember tremendous operation. You know that we had I think three floors. The bottom floor was suppressed room. The second floor was business operations editorial in the third floor was a composer Mosey around. Wow Wow so what happened. Like for instance of a horse came in from the West Coast and his data was out. I think they set the lines in from from La and they would set all those okay all right. They just reset them. Okay okay. Wow Wow that's fascinating. It wasn't like a I assume it is. Today we could send you could send data just over the wire yes. Yay they actually sent the lines And then and then set them upset. I would swear to that but I can't think of any other way that they would do. It would seem to be to work. And the results charts also had a time sensitive aspect that had to be addressed in times before you could instantly transmit a digital communication over the wire. A lot of people were different hats day in and day out to make sure that happened on a timely basis. And you were talking about tight deadlines getting the paper out You had the charts coming in to write from the tracks for the day and those have to be set. I mean you had the chart caller I guess who And then the Charter. Because there were two roles right shock collar and chart takers. Were they were at the major tracks chart a caller and a taker? I think that what they ultimately did it At the small tracks. And maybe they did it. The larger trying to I don't know ultimately was called quality offense. I guess into a tape recorder okay. They want it. They didn't WanNA staff to people when it could staff one. Yeah And those same guys with a correspondence and correspondence writing from the smaller tracks. But they were not trained as writers. Syrup when they were. I mean a joke always was short. Track man suddenly and Godly walking by press box. Say you busy to talk general including Ryan to be able to write without saying that much of what was really not terribly usable. Generally like my dad started out as a rewrite man. Rewrite guys that would take in the kind of roster they gave you we. They weren't call rewrite men because the operation was so small but copy. Editors did everything. Yup Ed's wrote stuff. They wrote suffer originally. They did everything and this was back in the day. When you mentioned earlier you had one printing plan so printed everything and then I had to get shipped does not like USA. Today with satellite. Go No no no. I think that maybe what they do now. Although I have no idea no we had our own printing plant we. We had our own presses. A whole business And trucks and all came out. I sounded Jersey. Joe brought back to the time. When many sharp handicappers resented the foreign publishing added data that up to that point had been the purview of those on the inside or those who followed sport assiduously keeping their own stats? In fact I remember resenting to some degree when I started to really augment the racing form past performance that they took away in some sense some of the angles that those of us us they gave them to the public moving up horses movie down bosses racing against older horses. That kind of stuff. I had to know the horse population at one point right and then I think what's a service to the public in a sense but it was to me at the service to chew handicappers because that was our our ankle. Interestingly Enough Joe's years under now and then controversial Rupert Murdoch we're fruitful as was the same murdoch regime from a down in Boston as the years rolled on into the eighties and early nineties though the dreaded corporate reorganization was. Never far away. Somehow coincidentally I'm sure always managed you divide older higher paid employees causing joe to bring up three initials K. K. are referring to the leveraged buyout firm Kohlberg Kravis and Roberts the back in those eighties and nineties struck. Fear in the hearts of anyone who heard them in reference to their current employer. I guess it was fired. I can't think of put another word that makes it appropriate to find another opportunity. We couldn't survive. I think I survived two or three ownership changes. Okay take didn't survive the third. What they did was get rid of almost everybody who had both in institutional memory and was making a reasonable sum of money because he or had worked there over the years I was fired in November of nineteen ninety. Two and I was out work for six months at the age of fifty three and I was very fortunate to book on with the publication called travel weekly and that changed my life for the better. I ended up traveling all over the world. And it's a good deal. Oh Yeah I ended up retiring there in two thousand and five is executive editor so I the racing for by firing me actually ended up to favor. So you must have got Asked to find very asked to find another assignment after the Murdoch Was There I was? I was there with Murdoch probably for a year year and a half Murdoch That organization was very very good to me. Okay It was good to my dad too by the way they were great. Pitching me and in fact It was the Murdoch people who made me the national managing editor. I held a very short time put because they ended up selling Selling the paper to K. K. R. Right Right Okay Yep Destruction for you know meant to the end for for not everybody but many of us getting to survive the KKR's ownership those three initials were distracted for a lot of FERMO. Yeah that great for for me I. It's politics aside the that organization. My experience goes back to work for well. He was definitely committed to the newspaper business when he bought the Herald and he bought it when it was. I mean it was literally hours away from expiring. Actually and and you know might be One of the first thing that came to my dad and said we want you to stay on. He was the editorial writer at the time. And they were they. Were very very good than we have. We had no complaints about family was the people he said to actually run the paper to be responsible for it. I'm not talking about the editors or the publisher but the overseers not only knew what they were doing they knew racing and love race was a mansion which streaming background helped. Well actually no who Who really was extensively in charge of was I guess a New Yorker but I mean he loved racing okay And that was good and for all of us If he had not Murdoch had not sold on paper probably would have ended up in the working if another turnover. Yeah but again It all worked out in the end. I was very very fortunate the way things work out for me when I go find another job really was something that was Although again I was very very lucky. End Up where I ended up at that point. I started working fulltime and June. Sixth nineteen sixty six. But I went before that it works. Summers. what? I was going to college. I think I might have even. I don't think I worked when I was in high school but certainly when I was going to college work their summer starting as people and all that other thirty years in the forum time and Yeah Yeah and your dad prior to that as well so it was in the family. It was a family. Oh abso pursuit. Yeah that's why came this chocolate I had an institutional memory I was in. I thought it was quite good. What did and I thought I'd be able to go over all of that. It's it's agent. It's interesting though because I look. I was reorganized out of corporate life. That's how I ended up home. Ended up doing this and you know especially you haven't been in it for so long. The family business. There's a whole period. We have to kind of absorb all that and put it behind you. It's it's not easy to do right. Imagine there was a difficult time was familiar with a very difficult time because i. I think it's very hard to go through something like that or not. P riddled with self doubt sure Yeah that's all I've ever done. Yeah Yeah I've never done anything else. Other than work. The racing form and then to start looking for another job At the age of fifty three and I did not want to do anything with racing been totally turned off to the idea of having an into racing soy ruled all of that out and I did. I guess what other people do so. I answered ads in the New York Times and apparently one of the very few people in the history of the world that actually got a job through the journalism background. You had to masters in journalism and you were clearly someone who appreciated the written word and the art of the written word But I knew nothing about the travel. We've traveled right so I mean yeah so But that's a function of that. I mean I ended up going to Japan China several times all through Europe. Yeah yeah it worked out good Morocco. Israel really yeah. I mean when you travel to those places terrific and again. I ended up working with very very good. Talented people Who I respected and scooter respect me and I. It's nothing much more that you're GONNA ask. Yeah it seems to me. Newspapers then today always have had their share of behind the scenes battles over story placement headlines. You name it. I wanted I was thinking about shopping. At Saratoga Kip shop. I know that there's a their copies of the racing. Form that that they sell. And it's one that woody Stevens one learn one. What was the third fifth five screamer and I I tell us that story with. I'd like to make a copy of that just because I wrote that that streamer put. I think I've told to people that I wrote that stream. Oh very proud of it. I don't remember talk. You said I thought it encapsulated what what had happened and I might have used the word. Amazing which is not something you would see in in eighty six point type every day But I mean I thought it would whatever it is that a road. I thought was particularly appropriate And I remember. I didn't get along well with the editor in those days and I came in that Monday morning and He called me at my desk. It's it said he wanted to speak to me. Could I come into office and throw a finally finally going to get praise and support that the looking for always yours and call me in and what he said to me? Was You know? We don't use words like amazing ing and remember saying. Hey It's five hundred forty years but that would be good. I'd like to see I'd like to take a picture that Being told that the ultimate irony was for being criticized for writing the headline but that that page was being sold for like twenty thirty dollars someplace. It's back to him now. Find them and say finally. I always maintained a people who really and truly love horse racing our cultural and intellectual seekers of the highest order. Maybe that's my way of trying to pat myself on the back me an intellectual lightweight but listen to Joe Riff if you will on jazz popular music. It's like my interest in jazz stopped in mid fifties and sixties Papillon Coltrane and miles. And so what do you think about it because I am a bit of music efficient? I'm not as much jazz but I'm conversant enough with it. What do you think about Modern Jazz? Well I mean a lot of it leaves me cold. I just came from the from Montreal to ask I tunnel for me. You Know I. I missed a lot of that hard. Pop Up the fifties and sixties me. What I like. I always love rock. I grew up when I was kid on on rhythm and blues of the cleft tones. And The del Vikings going to the rock and roll shows who Alan freed of the Brooklyn paramount. All of that stuff And then I became Itchen. Josh Sumo Light Brother who introduced me the Benny Goodman Arch Nineteen Hundred S. The thanks to the bird. Land Show and all kinds of modern of that era But I mean I love all kinds of music I love rock the sixties they used to go to the fillmore all the time so Janice there I mean not ten years after Boko and the Steppenwolf. I'm in I saw them all but I I love music. Adjourn wildlife some country music. I love classical Elec some opera But but Panetta case my my interest in Jazz I think just got arrested somehow in the mid to late fifties and you're much more of a jazz efficient but there's a lot of eight eight hundred. I think is a good word for Ryan. It's you know when I think of like jazz really special is when you know the musicians are listening to each other and you know taking their cues and playing off of those and I saw. I took my son to see Dave Brubeck Berkeley Performance Center about ten Joe. Morello Drummer and the guy. The guy still had it you know. I mean he's still in. He was sick that and I don't know if he was sick at night but he still had it and they they did I can't I can't remember the song now. But they clearly got into a groove with it and he just kept playing it over and over and over again but faster and faster and and it was like and you could tell. It's just kind of come up the you know. The watchman is as low by looks into among is that He'll be playing a little figure and I almost consensus that it eats thinking to himself. I liked that sounds pretty. Good GonNa play that again but I'm gonNA play a little different and I'm going to play that a little different again played a little different again. Yeah Yeah I gotta get to me. Music has got to me. Like it's GonNa be lyrical and melodic and swing. If it doesn't do at least two things are probably not gonNA little harder. Yeah Yeah knows a little hard to listen to. It was a great conversation with Joe and I really enjoyed it. I hope you did to join US next week. For another edition of the Candu horse racing. Podcast thank you.

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"The Dan Le Batard, Woodstock Gotcha podcast is brought to you by capital on capitol. One is reimagining banking offering accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened in five minutes Capital One. What's in your wallet Capital One and a member FDIC? So I don't know if there were die hard canes fans out there like me that had an eye on the draft specifically to see where some of these players would go it would appear the Miami hurricanes players are getting really bad advice when it comes to leaving school early. This is the second straight season where a defense littered with supposed NFL talent, those prospects have entered the draft and they've been drafted and very disappointing places immunized because we thought look that's perfectly acceptable Kendrick Norton last year. One in the seventh round keeping alive, the dream that I had the prediction that everybody on that defense would get drafted Gerald Willis last year. Arguably had the best defensive tackle season. Since the time of Vince will fork he was a menace. Arguably the second most productive DT in the nation. He was incredible by almost any measurement. And yet Gerald Willis goes on drafted undrafted. How long was he on mel's best available list? I think he was his seventy six overall. So that'd be like early third round. I'm not sure what happened there because I know he had character issues in Florida by all accounts, he cleaned that stuff up. And you guys saw last year. He was the best player on that football team by a significant margin. He was incredible he signs as an undrafted free agent Baltimore. And as I'm googling and researching what could possibly be the problem would Gerald Willis. I come across is calling from Susan Miller Degan, and I find out that he is Landon Collins, brother. K had no idea. How is this kept secret? We Gerald Willis was often being talked about during the games now have season tickets, and I was at the game. So I didn't listen to every broadcast. But certainly I feel like this is something that should have been known. I found out yesterday that Landon Collins in Gerald Willis, our brothers didn't the canes at one point have a long streak of first round picks. Yes. Feel like we've come a long way from that. Did you see where Joe Jackson got drafted day? Three my boys right fit. Michael Michael Jackson and Joe Jackson. That's kind of weird go to Dallas. So it's cool to keep an eye on where the canes land. You've got red wine. Yeah. I'm super excited have Sheldrick. Redwood saw another thing. They put our guys like another guy signed with the Browns like graphic of Chuck gray. Who was look nice guy was here for a long time. Not many contributions and Aulmark Rick did with him was the fullback dive with Chuck gray. Everyone knew was. Coming every time. It would drive me crazy Chuck Grado signs with the Browns as a free agent. Devante dean, also Miami hurricane minicamp invitee. So the Browns continue that youth thing I'm blessed? My my football team drafts. The most canes possible and bringing them in that's enough of Miami hurricane. That's why they've been so badly you think dating back to the times of James Jackson Butch. Hey, Butch Davis got us to the play offs. It's the only time we've been in the playoffs since we've been back in the NFL Butch bodice there. Okay. So the canes have done something right by my team. Then they undid everything. With those Ken Dorsey starts Godkin Dorsey started this Monday night or against the eagles. There's just a disaster doesn't do Johnson one out. He does. And I don't blame him. I don't blame them for wanting out because there is duplication between him and Kareem hunt. They do a lot of the same things. But dude Kareem hunt not gonna play for ten games. So do Goodell over here pretty kitchen's. Like, he's still here. I don't know why people are surprised at Duke still here. What I can have too many weapons the hell is that? Yeah. Especially running back. So I'm sorry, Duke. I understand why you want but cream hunts got a one year deal. Anyways. Relax. Relax, Dookie got your money last year teams finally going to be good. I guess he's not too good. Here. I will say though, Duke was really underused last year. Really? And it was one. Freddie kitchens. Got her that they've only started putting the ball in his hands. But that's enough about the hurricanes and certainly enough about the Browns because I'm going to be really annoying this season. You guys see Ryan Clark. Stop for power. It's up power rankings sleeping on the Browns teams. It's a little too much attention like fourth overall, I'm going to be cocky and on that. But it's absurd that we are ranked ahead of the chiefs in Ryan Clark's power. We had a weird power at a Packers thought of his Aaron Rodgers. But he had them number two. It seems a little high them number two. The chiefs made it to the AFC championship game. Have the MVP? They were behind the Jags. Jags were number five. Character issues, isn't that's what I maybe. He's factoring in what's happening with tyreek hill today. We kill another John Dorsey product. Now, but you can't really blame them for taking the swing tyreek hill because like he worked out pro bowler. Let's talk about the Miami Dolphins, and we'll get to Greg Cody thoughts as he's patiently sitting in that studio in certainly not sauntering from a coffee shop at all hang on, Greg. We'll get around to you yesterday was a huge day for the Miami Dolphins. I believe Josh Rosen is totally won me over. I thought he was so cool so professional I'd relatable because I think anybody can sort of sympathize with what he's going through. There's some hard asses out there that are like compete for your jobs, Steve Smith senior, I get it. But he's not gonna get a fair shot at that job. He said as much what the GM's go to admit to mistakes on quarterbacks by not playing the number one by saying the guy that was a bus last year that forced my end to draft a quarterback this year is actually better than the quarterback. I drafted this year quarterbacks not going to do that. I mean, general manager is not going to do that. Josh Rosen is not going to get a fair shake at the job. What was it? The cliff Kingsbury actually told. Him. Josh Rosen is was like a legitimate break-up. I saw quote Kingsbury told Rosen. It's not you. It's me. That's a man that's done. A lot of breakup. Man, that's use that line. We think the world of you. I guess he could be telling the truth in that. Like, look, I think you're I don't know if you really felt that strongly about them you can keep two quarterbacks. Like, you're not paying them yet. Like, why couldn't you've kept? Why couldn't they have kept Rosen just because of Rosen being guy. That's like pouty. I guess this is the most value. He would have for them if they weren't at all intending to play for them. And what they really what was their whole really they moved up. What they think is a move up in the second round year over year because the dolphins are getting back a second round next year. Right. As a part of the moved up, you're saying the trade the cardinals moved up in the second round. Okay. And whatever picked like hundred ten in that range this year. Oh, they moved up twice this year. And then they gave up rose in. But then they also gave up a second round next year. I got to look at the exact trade. But I mean, it's not it's not a great hall for a top ten quarterback. And it was only gonna get worse. If he didn't factor into their Dan keeps Dan saying this yesterday at top. Ten quarterback. He was drafted in the top ten last year. I'm not no one sitting ex no one saying, he's okay. So we're I thought Dan because I listened back to the show yesterday some of it, and Dan was saying a top ten talent that that makes me think that Dan thinks of the of the quarterbacks in the league right now, he's a top ten hours a top ten pick last just wanted to make sure that Dan was saying he was evaluated as a top tips. A lot of top ten talents though, that don't work out. Right. We're saying that like that means he's going to be something. I'm not saying he isn't. But let's not just because he was drafted in the top ten I think with that position. Especially at that age considering the surround the talent surrounding him. It's really difficult off a one year to make an evaluation on. Josh Rosen Steve guy and the cardinals. They felt like they had all they needed to say Kyla Murray is definitively better than who we drafted last year. It's a little odd. I know Rosen's numbers were actually kinda bad. But they had some impressive wins towards the end of the season. I think didn't they win at Lambeau. So Josh Rosen actually beat Aaron Rodgers at lambofield. It's not easy thing to do. But historically when you in terms of QBR, he had one of the worst seasons ever for quarterback understanding it and have that much around him. It's just a tough spot. Because it it seems like it was it's a it's a low risk of the dolphins show. So you want to congratulate the move, but then it's I don't think it's going to equal bunch of wins. So you're going to be all excited about move. And then you're going to get to the season. And the dolphins are probably going to be not that good. I think the only scenario here is a scenario that Billy's mentioned a couple times, which is they oh seven and nine. It's why that viral video now the doll fan. That's switch allegiances to Carolina he thinks for whatever reason Josh Rosen is a guarantee for seventy nine. I'd actually feel Ryan Fitzpatrick is more of seven and nine. I just don't think that he's a three and thirteen which is what? You need to get the first pick in the draft. Why are you not because every year the Perth pick in the draft is like a three or four one team? If this guy wins five games not going to have the number one pick. So you're not going to get to which is what you want. Well, you're hope it to get to is that someone steps up next year in college and put themselves ahead of two. But then to a Conforti really want to the guy from Oregon like, yeah. Just in Herbert. And you also have Jake from. I think you have three quarterbacks in next year's class would be taken number one overall this year. I had a column Murray I really do head a collar from. I think projects better Herbert was talked about as in all the mock drafts before he made the announcement to return, Oregon. He was always mocked number one overall. And obviously to a ton about Loa is I mean, we all know. He didn't win the Heisman. But he's in that conversation. And he's been the guy reported that the dolphins have interests, but they're three quarterbacks there that are considered to be better prospects than the guy that went number one this year. And even if he's a five one quarterback that gives you enough with a high enough first round pick that you can package that pick and something else can Rosen, and perhaps I don't know probably not. But I'm just yeah. But I'm just saying like the the next day have an extra second round pick that they got in the Rosen deal that they could be disposable. So there's also a chance at Rosenstock guy for you that while the season is all about reportedly tanking defined your franchise quarterback. You have a guy that was taking within the top ten last year in what was considered to be a better quarterback draft. Josh Rosen probably would have been on the level of Kyle Marie in terms of like looked at as a number one pick this year. So go for it. Go for it. So I saw Greg Cody wrote an article with the headline. Line. Could this be the best draft for the dolphins in twenty years? Correct. Isn't it will be frozen proves himself because I include him in the draft. Okay. Smart, and you know, in nineteen ninety seven should know you too breath yet been sitting silently in that studio for six minutes, six minutes. He was just walking on a treadmill. We haven't been I was walking. I got a Cup of coffee. Really? No, no. Because we we started the show we acknowledge that you've been just sitting there silently, certainly not sauntering over with a Cup of coffee and doing the work at ten to fifteen men to get here. Barely late. Let alone a little bit late. But I'm catching my breath. We're good. You want us to circle back. No, please read my column in the paper and online because it makes a couple of points in ninety seven they drafted Sam Madison and Jason Taylor back to back and then. Had seven consecutive winning seasons. Which is a franchise record even more than during the seventies glory days and five playoffs in a row. You're you're you're making me. Dislike for second breath in through your nose breath. When you're exercising goes in through nose. And the meantime basketball is played last night. Yeah. Basketball was played by the I was watching. I did watch. I did watch some of the hockey that was going on how about that blue stores game. I mean all these series ultracompetitive ultra man, I really wish we had playoff hockey down. Here. There's always next year. This is this is a stugatz move. But was last weekend the best weekend in sports because you know, the drill offs NBA play playoffs. Going on baseball fear. Baseball fan. Ten o'clock is too late for a game seven. Yeah. You'll be a legal. Yeah. Okay. You said San Madison and Jason Taylor were drafted seven seven winning seasons in a row five playoffs in a row. And the last time they wanna play off game was with the that nucleus as well. So this could be the best draft since then we'll be in twenty two years. Wilkins is a can't miss wonderful defensive tackle. The guard. They got no it can't miss right? He's definitely there's no way. We great Christian Wilkins is great. Wow. Earlier in the segment while you're sitting there silently, I said Gerald will was arguably had the second best defensive tackle season in the nation last year. I would have been Wilkens. Yes. And it was astonishing that will didn't get drafted the odds of that would have been thousand one. But the the third round pick the guard from Wisconsin is is supposedly really good. He was like the second rated garden the entire draft hard for me to get up regard. The only just say this about all these prospects every year. No isn't the third the thirteenth. Pick was detached. People are like this guy's really good. No, not at all. In fact, the the the tackle they pick later in the draft for a high. Oh state has like a forty draft grade, which if you pay attention to the draft grades that that's a marginal prospect who might not even make the team. So nobody was at least I wasn't bragging about that guy. But the guard they got in the third round is really good and Rosa. They stole for a low second round pick in fifth. And I think he's going to blossom into a franchise quarterback that gives them a very tough decision to make if they have a lousy season. And they they're in a position that draft a great quarterback next season. But if they have a lousy season suffice to say he's not the franchise quarterback if he starting well, he there's not enough talent on this roster. So Josh Rosen could prove himself to be a really really good quarterback. And they could still go for and twelve how I find that hard. Really? I find that hard to pull off. I it's just I kind of feel for Josh Rosen because he's going into another situation, and what you can't line. You can't really evaluate offense ivine. Well, they have a great left tackle. But yeah, they needed. They really need the load up. I know in free infre- agency and in twice in the draft. They did target the old line. So we we can rest assure that he's going to be getting better coaching down here. Here in terms of having Jim Caldwell on Brian floors as staff was reputed to be a quarterback whispered. Yes, I know he worked with Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford those are number one overall pick talents. But Stafford was one of those guys were sort of slide him back, and you need to make bleeper get off the pot decision with him and Jim Caldwell came to town. And we saw different Matthew saffir than we had seen previously. And he took a leap that he needed to in terms of career progression. Jim Caldwell by all accounts is a smart offensive minded mind. And it's great to have Josh Rosen working with them. Yeah. I I would agree with all that. But I would add the caveat. Annum Gay's always suppo- also was supposed to be a quarterback whisper. And he was not able to. Put Ryan tannehill to a different level. I saw him beat the Chicago Bears with Brock Osweiler. And Ryan tannehill was having really good season. And then the injuries mounted up and the injuries to the offensive line. Certainly the jets I feel like Adam gates still has the touch. Did you think that you could have gotten like where did Adam gates fail in terms of what the quarterbacks were down here on side of just Jay Cutler being washed? Well, he yeah. He got bad luck. With with anhil all of a sudden missing twenty games in a row or whatever. It was Adam gates did make the playoffs with a combination of Ryan tannehill and Matt Moore right quarterbacks. I mean jettisoned dolphin fans. Jettisoned Ryan tannehill from town, and he was responsible for most of the wins that season and they won hugely important games with Matt Moore under center. So I'm not really sure what Adam gates could have done differently. He's players could have stayed healthier again. Well, but but the offense align the Albert Wilson everybody. Okay. You know, we're all of a sudden, we're retrofit. Hitting. Oh, good. Tannehill. Was the answer is not good enough. Well, I'm just using it as your counterpoint when you're saying that Adam gates had the same sort of reputation that Jim Caldwell had. I don't think Adam gates let you down in that respect. I think he did what he was supposed to do. And I think he maxed they fire him then because the injuries Albert Wilson and then offense of line. Really? I think on you was really surprised at him gaze was fired. And you say he could be coach of the year. Well at the at the time. Yes. At one point in the season you remember when before Albert Wilson got injured, and and the other guy the other receiver grant. Yeah. The speedsters to speedsters they actually went through a patch. Where you said you still? Wow. This is a this is a pretty exciting offense. And then the wheels came off Bill. They got hurt. If that's what you mean by wheels. Coming right big. It was I think four months four weeks before the season ended you were on the air. Making an argument for Adam gates for coach of the I think he's it didn't surprise me in the least that that he got a head coaching job. Again. I did not think that he would be one of these guys who's going to have to work as way back up and become a coordinator from somebody. I knew he was a head coach. But I also thought that I I don't blame the club for for making a move. You know, gas gas wasn't all that popular in the locker room. And and I'm not, you know, it's a cumulative effect with this team. And and it applies to both gays and tannehill why neither of them are here. They were both charged with ending twenty years of irrelevance and they failed. Now, you can parse where the blame should go, and you can blame injuries and all that's fine and accurate, maybe. But still this is a franchise that just needed a gust of of fresh air a new quarterback new coach a reboot. And and that's what they're doing. Right. I'm sorry audience. We really can't help ourselves. We have a new quarterback in town new. I'd coaching staff end our discussion on Josh Rosen. Reverted into the discussion that we had for seemingly ten years which is Ryan tannehill good enough. We'll take this commercial break you're going to finally catch your breath, and we'll do better next segment. Still God's here for one eight hundred flowers after a childhood full of unsuccessful attempts to pull the wool over. Mom's is do you really think she won't be able to tell the difference between a last minute mother's day gift and something truly thoughtful this mother's day. 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Good ilyaronoff abet Dr show with stugatz on the ticket. Rick. How many exact did you get last week? I didn't have a great monograph. Aw. I started off hot. I got three in the in the first five pick four or five picks, and then sort of fizzle from there. I saw three. Yeah. Three, which is below average. That's way below average. And and I also got only twenty four of the thirty two first round picks correctly. So it was my previous to dress will pretty good this one a little bit of a disappointment. I made Mel get. I know you keep track. I think he got four. He got four exact does MC Todd mcshay had a great draft. He got I think he got eight wait. What did how what is how many I had two years of twenty four thirty two means that you just had twenty four of the thirty two guys selected. Yeah. Not where they were picked what team. I it just means of the thirty two first round draft picks I had twenty four of them in my mock draft, which is also a little bit below average. What's the most you've ever had an address I like to be around twenty seven or twenty eight you're never going to be perfect because in in the in the bottom third of of almost any draft. There are real, you know, guys drafted who nobody had in mock drafts who you know, this guy was supposed to be in the third round. And yet somebody took them twenty. Ninth over there's always going to be those kind of guys, but was the highest pick that you didn't have in your mocked first round. Was it the raiders with Farrell? Yes. Feral surprised everybody. Nobody thought he would go that high even have them in the first row. Of course. I did. Yeah. But I didn't have him who's the highest scouts had him at a second round grade. And he wasn't it wasn't a given that he would be a first round pick. And it was going number four. I definitely had them in my first round who's the highest pick. That was drafted. They didn't have. I'd have to research that. I'm not sure it was nobody really high. I think it might have been you know, the second half of the draft. Maybe somebody who was picked twenty-first or something I didn't have in. My would you make it the Daniel Jones selection. I thought it was a real reach. You know, again, you know, I don't know how many people believe in draft grades or not. But but it's a it's a it's a blueprint it. It's something to go by and his drag grade was eighty which definitely classifies as second round. I would have been less surprised to see Daniel Jones, go early in the third round then to go sixth overall, and that's going to be interesting to chart his career versus Haskins because that was a real risk. That Gettleman took I thought, well, yeah, we were we discussing it wasn't a great quarterback draft this year and we've been discussing. Okay. Well, what if Rosen's good not quite good enough for you do deem him worthy of the tag franchise quarterback? But too good to get you a bad pick. And I was trying to explain to them next year is considered to be a much better quarterback trapped where you have three quarterbacks in from to an Herbert that are that were discussed as guys would go number one. If they were eligible for this season was and he was mocked. His number one until he went back. But last year's quarterback draft was supposed to be this great draft to and we still know about Sam darnold. We still know about Josh Rosen. So like once again, I know we we kind of always end up in the same place with these drafts we really we project. But we don't know anything I will say this. Daniel Jones could turn out to be the best quarterback of the last three drafts. He could. But odds are against it. Good. I find you know, what I'm gonna come on and say, he's not. I mean, Tom Brady and the six round was going to be the greatest quarterback ever. There's no it actually know Chris point. I mean, one of the team's ready bailed on the tenth pick of the draft last year. Yeah, we're always going to have the outlier of Tom Brady and house purge and win went ahead of them. I mean, we can't really count on Tom Brady. He's a once in a lifetime type of quarterback Daniel Jones. Look, we saw Daniel Jones plenty down here being in the ACC. Was there ever a point in time where you looked at Daniel Jones, and we're like, whoa. This is a first round draft pick. No, I thought it was an NFL quarterback. I thought he might even be a day to pick a second late second early third type guy. I know the dolphins liked him head. They not made the Rosen trade. I think he would have been a guy. They definitely looked at in in the second round. You know, if I were the kind of guy who mocked grafted two rounds. I might have had Jones to the dolphins. They really liked him. He's a pro quarterback but six pick is awful. Reach. But I want to for perspective getting back to Rosen, the the two highest graded quarterbacks in this draft were Haskins in color Murray at ninety Rosen a year ago graded ninety two. So if again, if you believe in grades Rosen was a better core is a better quarterback than anybody who came up this year. It's tough to compare them with Murray who's obviously dual threat where one of the false. I had with Rosen, and I have more than one is that he's he's not a real mobile guy. But in terms of pure grade and potential Rosen is is a quality quarterback. Ninety two is a great grade ninety five is about as high as it gets. Well, that I assume one hundred would be as high as again, but nobody you know, I could research this, but you go back several drafts. And you're not gonna see many guys hired now. I kinda just want to know all the negatives. You have frozen you just tease them. You said I have a few your colleagues have a few right? Well, one of them is mobility lack. Of the other one is that he has been turnover prone in in thirty. I think in his last thirty games college. And pro he said twenty six interceptions and seven lost fumbles. Which is a lot though, he doesn't take care of the ball, particularly. Well, one criticism of Rosen. I don't have the one that gets bandied around all the time. He is his personality is the idea that he's not a real gung ho football guy. I think that's our Mondo. That's it's Bs. I don't buy it. And I don't think that's a factor dealt with anybody on the dolphins. That's why they traded for. I don't understand his personality thing you you want a guy that wants to compete and win. Right. So you wanna guy that wants to start you want? You'd rather have a quarterback change. Okay. I'll sit on the bench, and I'll let someone come and take my job. And I'm not gonna fight for it doesn't matter. He's too smart though. He said that that thing ended up happening to them in the press conference yesterday. Just because he said, hey football. I'm bigger than football. I've football doesn't you know? It's not my be all end all and that's offensive to the people in the football. He's he's a very smart. Guy, and he doesn't mind letting you know that he is he's glib. He's very well spoken, and and the quote to justify I don't need football is look if football is all of a sudden taken away from me, I'm not going to be on the street selling drugs. I have a brain. I'm smart, I have a big support system. I can do other stuff. I've never you've covered football for a long time. I've never understood why football coaches are so threatened by guy being smart. They don't want thinkers, they want guys. We'll just run through a wall. They don't just do what you're told. Yeah. Quarterback should be the one exception to that. Because you know, you're allowed to have a personality. Baker Mayfield is is showing that and in this case Rosen is so smart. He's going to absorb the new system. He's going to absorb the playbook in a way that allows him to be the starting quarterback from day one where a quarterback with less smarts. I think you'd go. Well, you know, what Ryan Fitzpatrick is probably going to start the season. And then when Josh Rosen is ready he'll come in. I don't think that's the case. I think Josh Rosen is play sixteen games, and it's sort of hell. Again, some that he looked at his situation sort of analytically, whereas Steve Smith went viral criticizing his Josh Rosen seemingly inability to stay there and compete Steve. Smith emotional Josh Rosen rational. Yeah. Josh Rosen looked at it. It's like what the general manager is not going to admit to mistakes by starting me over Kyla Murray. Not gonna do that. He's already admitted the mistake in drafting me last year and drafting another quarterback number one overall. You think I have any shot at playing over number one overall because then times just in meeting that he's just a buffoon that was various suit. I thought what Rosen said about that? And what Steve Smith said was complete rant gibberish. It was just so great TV though, it was just so nonsensical. What he said though. And it was a cheap shot. True. I mean, you could see that side of it where these guys like you you're supposed to compete just because they draft somebody at your position doesn't mean that's all off your arm. It's all well. And fine. We don't need lectures about what it is to be a bad teammate from guy who's punch not one. But two dudes who were on his team in the face. Yeah. Yeah. Broke. And orbital bone. I think multiple orbital bones that's on his resume, but you can understand where do like Seve Smith. You know, tough background, obviously, broke orbital bones. Undersize had a fight for everything in that sport was thought of it. It's primarily a returner is like looking at that position. You went number. You went number eight overall, or whatever, and you were gifted this opportunity. I had to fight for every. That's exactly right right there. That's exact-. That's an emotional due to punch in the face to get to the top of the NFL. And he is not here for guy. He thinks is not competing for a job. But he's got it wrong. I salute you, though, Chris you finally got some criticism out of your home or father who just won't shut up about how great the dolphins are now. Like, it's. He all the draft. But it's the ba-. It's always now they got a quarterback like your father is absolutely blinded by his allegiances to this team in a way that that's weird. I said that this has a chance to be their best draft since ninety seven. Yeah, I'm in I can justify that. Because I think a lot of Josh Rosen. I thought a lot of them unless used draft. No. I'm going to keep you, Greg. Because last year you were super critical of the draft. You said they made a tremendous mistake and not targeting Josh Rhode Island. I think most dolphin fans that are looking at this pragmatically and rationally are happy that there's at least a vision. Now, this franchise has shown you by their inability to get rid of people and reassigned people in the front office, and everyone's confuses what Mike tannenbaums will doing down here. And all that we'll see if they actually have the guts to see this vision through or if they'll continue to do what they have always done, which is then change up some part of the regime because a head coach is not in line with the general manager, then he brings in his guy, then the head coach gets fired. But you still have the general manager that he wanted in plays. And Stephen Ross has difficulty making tough decisions. It's it's an encouraging start to the regime the new regime, I'll say that. And and in the case of Rosen, again, you know, Brian floors is is a big culture guy. He wants to grow a culture that they haven't had down here. And the first pick Christian Wilkins is an. Excellent example of that he instantly is a team leader when he steps in that locker room. He would not have traded this new regime would not have traded for Josh Rosen. If they had any thought that he was going to be trouble in the locker room that he had personality issues that he was going to be unpopular with his teammates. There was no consideration of that. So again when you go back to Josh Rosen personality as your main criticism, you're on fragile ground. All right. So it's been thirty minutes. And we haven't gotten to one of my favorite benchmarks, the local hour foolishly talking about game of thrones. Like, we watching it with our head in our phones for the entire episode. That's coming up next donlevatar something. Something which is said about me a few days. Separate business the friendship. I'm your freedom. But if I ever see in the ring, I can beat you don't, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Spoke outs. Randy savage at oh. You are. Good your beard is a little sideways to but I don't want to get into that about our show with the stugotz on the ticket. Could I ask a question macho, man? I'm sorry about that. Macho man, Randy savage. Greg. Are you following this jeopardy champion? Yes. I'm ruining against them. You've every turn you seem like a guy to me that thinks he could do well on jeopardy. I would be an above average player. Now, you wouldn't I would because I have an above average trivial knowledge. Been terrible. Anytime we played there say knowledge in general, but I actively root against this guy. I wanted to be derailed and suffer ultimate humiliation because he's ruining the concert. He's ruining what jeopardy should be sure should know. We should know about this. It's pretty should be the farmer from Idaho and the housewife from New Jersey on an even playing field seen who can leave with two and a half thousand bucks shouldn't be this professional gambler, you know, cutting corners and figuring out things. And and having an encyclopedic knowledge. It's bad for the game. I think there should be a cap from now on that you can't be on jeopardy longer than like ten shows and wrote because it's boring. Same thing is family few family feud, you can only five straight wins out of their lesson from the food get the car. Don't get the car on five up sewed you're out of here, by the way, jeopardy wrong. They're grown you grown on the by the way. He's like, okay. I want you to keep doing that. Because his by the ways are grown worthy because we're headed off to Billy land. Great guys. So okay, yesterday jeopardy wrong that second place contested. So it was the closest that someone came to beating this guy James holes, our eighteen dollars eighteen dollars was different. So he won't fifty four thousand seventeen dollars in the person. Finished second was fifty three thousand nine ninety nine right? Yeah. But second place isn't get that second place was home with two thousand dollars. Oh, so that guy lost fifty two thousand dollars because of this James holes house or client another reason to wish that he gets derailed. What's against the spirit of the game? What's this streak at right now for our the two long days? I think it's nineteen. I'm not positive. Okay. So a national nightmare. Really? It really is. Because I feel like a lot of people are talking about this. He's not a household name yet. The way that Ken Jennings. Was remember Ken Jennings? More he won like seventy five games in a row or something. But this goes on pace to do a lot faster than Ken Jennings. Like this guy's gonna do unlike thirty game because he's winning a lot more money than Ken Jennings. Was apparently also Ken Jennings revealed on Twitter like two days ago that shepherding outlawed people betting sixty nine dollars in final jeopardy because I guess pensions used to make all his bets end with sixty nine and then they told him to cut it out. And then Ken Jennings tweeted two years ago, they actually put an end to that. Like, no one's allowed to do that anymore Jennings. Trying to make this all about him trying to get back in the spotlight. Well, I mean, he. I think he enjoys us because the comparisons and Ken Jennings is back in the back in the conversation. People have actually Bank the-the about his name as a trebek's health problems. Well, that's the thing this holes house are kind of setting himself up to maybe take over if things don't go. Great for Alex, which is horrible people have mentioned can Jennings as a potential replace. He's likable this whole house or guy. Yeah. I've also been told that one of the guys who want souls house or out of here is for Beck himself. I've heard that too until that people got mad at Jennings for the same reasons you guys getting mad at this coding, not surprising at all that he would be anti smart just here. He is saying I don't want analytics with my jeopardy either. Not even with my smart people. Do I want smart? I just want everyone to be dumb. Can we do this though? Can you just get a fake jeopardy any random one from the last twenty five years, and let's do this with your dad on air right now to see if he is indeed an above average jeopardy player. I'd like to do that right now. Okay. On. On the fly. No commercial break. Let's build a game show. All right. That's right. Thank you. I appreciate smart people. I've just spent the first hour praising Josh Rosen for his intelligence, I'm not against Holstein or whatever his name is because he's smart and I'm against him because he's a professional gambler who's playing the system who's figuring using. Analytics what I mean he is smarter than anyone in the history of the game. Right. And he's not Ken Jennings. Dan, he's beating the former from Idaho and the housewife from New Jersey. That's the point. I'm not cheating. Yes. He is. They don't they can't play with him. Nobody can play with this guy. He's got the system beat. That's why Trump Becan sites in bucks. Yes. Yeah. I would have slipped the other guy twenty under the table. Just so he could win the highest compliment. Yeah. Cheap fast. Greg Cody would've given that would have given somebody at twenty nine, you know, he's indignant him. I I wonder if the two contestants that are going up against him can conspire and give each other loans. Right. So the third place person like, you know, what I'm going to be a three thousand dollar loan just to pass his whole. Our guy what that's a good element to that show. That's jeopardy. Plus right, there couldn't heels making moves Billy one of my endless joys about doing this show is never knowing exactly. What will engage you? I mean. I didn't think jeopardy would do it. I didn't think the we haven't we? I've known you for a long time. I had no idea that this jeopardy guy is the guy who would get passionate of you. Gotta be honest with you. I haven't wants a single episode of this guy's run on jeopardy. I'm just tired of seeing his face. He has such a smug smile smile as annoying. It is it's not an anyone on with us VP. And he told us that one of his dreams was to be on one of his dreams was to be on sportscenter with VP, and the other one was some other thing that's recent SUV's like, oh, wow. I didn't know that these are your dreams for long. We'll actually these are very new dreams because you haven't have a show for so long rumble. I'd be like if I'm if he'd get the hell out of your whole, our, you know, what I don't need you on this show. I don't need the pub from you. You're not going to be a thing in two weeks. Jeopardy. Right. This Spanish in play right of the tragedy. Blood. Wet wedding was executed by a nationalist firing squad. This is unfair. Greg didn't click the category. Was this like a for thousand for five thousand dollars? Toughest question on the board. The category is the Spanish civil war. Okay. My answer is who is the hell cares. I have no idea. The answers who's Gosse? A look, of course. Oh, of course, it would have been my next answer. Please not even real name loca-. The category is controversial TV. In nineteen sixty nine CBS fire politically outspoken daily double own show mid-sentence, she get this those mother's brothers as correct been to their winery. Nice round of applause and the live audience. That's the real Cody wheelhouse. Nineteen sixty eight is as soon as he said nineteen cigarette. Cloudy wishes there was a category ninety nine. The category is Willie. It's our daily double bartered bodied Roma's in a fourth century, this female Catholic, Saint is the patron Saint of wheel rights. Who is Saint Catharine as correct? Are you a cake, Catherine, gay or seacat? Yeah. Is much more elegant the category is state. State of the state park James river state park. That's difficult. What is New Jersey? Wow. An aggressive buzzing sound. Virginia. Honestly, I've never heard of that. Category is facts about poets the line. The line. My my candle burns at both ends came comes from her poem. I fig- what's the name of the poem. Again. I big. Ups allowed jeopardy. Who was Robert frost as incorrect? Oh, yes. The answer is who is Aetna. Saint Vincent Belay. Love her. Saint vincent's. I do love that you guys are able to do a game show on the fly this quickly. Good work by you, guys. I got two out of five. So I'm Ben forty percent category is controversial TV when this Kiefer Sunderland show debuted in two thousand one the torture hero. It's our daily double. Why do you keep doing that? Never actually watched jeopardy. I don't I think they're only we've already had way too many daily double what is twenty four. I don't think he was going to get. Four. Greg nosy? I gotta fix. Credit for that. We ought to load up new categories. I wonder how we do that. We do it with this sound. The category is potent potables. Classic sandisk makes a five hundred gig external ST as short for this kind of drive that can help you with storage. The answer is what is solid state would not have gotten that. It's a shame, but you didn't buzz in. So you don't lose any money. Where's my buzzer? It's all right to not buzz in or not going to run. Does this one's daily double that category is alternative phrases? You're ready. Yeah. It's unlikely you'll ever meet one of these friends, but you still right to but you still write to each other. What does a pen pal? That's correct. You have a hot new contestant that it's just entered the soon, and he's left to suit, you know, be a hot new contested to challenge. You by just enter mean, he's been here the entire time. Yes. One Jon wiener is now playing jeopardy we are. Yeah. All right. All right. Let's load up the board bites when you answer the question, you have to say who is or what is beforehand for whatever reason hand if we. All the category is movie stories movie stores. I'm sorry. We'll be stores. Yes. A Chinatown artigue store as a certain rule about post Persian mug wise in this nineteen thousand four hundred. What is gremlins? That's correct. Bo, really. As easy. I know nothing about movies step it up. Board is still loading. All right here, we go again. Just what it's her daily double the category is wait something's off the name of this beef dish topped with a sour cream sauce honors a Russian diplomat. What is beef stroganoff? Jeopardy worries. It's I for instance, I had to get it under the gun, man. I mean, what is beef stroganoff Cody beat you to the punch? It's one good job. Greg. Thank you. You are quick. I'm so proud. The category is a fork in the road exit right on East Rand get to the navy pier. If you're a northbound on this Chicago drive, what is lake shore? One of my favorite cities America on the draw. There. Shutdown. This is a toughie. Wait something's off is the category. It describes a game winning home run hit in the bottom of the ninth walk off. What is the walk off? Oh, you're pretty good. I love baseball. Be. Category is it's a guess aside from a lot of energy, the major byproduct of nuclear fusion is this gases element. What is helium as correct? My favorite guests is your computer on what's going on over here? I'm sitting dance spot here. So I mean is computers. But it's not on anything. Giving me answer. What is helium? Oh. If every other question, dude, the category is pup culture pulse. Sometimes before coming home. You gotta lay down just a sec. Like, this agile hurting breed here. What is a collie? I was uncertain there. I was debating I had a couple of answers in my head. And you seem to have no idea. And thinking about hurting the category is history. Herds me. The category is history is my favorite history Rome, if you are free, but not on a critic say a Baker or an audit is up Alean. That's correct. Oh, wow. How about that? Favorite category is out of office emails. Okay. Out of office Email from Cordell hull, nineteen forty four out of office as longest-serving secretary of this. If you need assistance, contact foggy bottom who's Kordell Stewart. What is the state? All right. This is something's going on here. What's going on dominating? That's what's going on. Underestimate me the category, is takeout. I love cake. Daily double. Oh, wow. The term the term this type of art is self taught non-mainstream audits was coined by Roger cardinal in one thousand nine hundred what is outside art. That's correct guy. Judges was he answered outside art. Oh, I'm sorry. Grandma, moses. Correct. What we're looking for was outsider art, oh outside or credit for that? No, no. I'd find a lawsuit outside. All right. We done with this. The rockets. That's type of jeopardy wants to talk about are the rockets in jeopardy rock is a crybabies. Yeah. They really oh. My god. Today. There's still crying about last year's. I mean, we got there is add to you. You're worried about last year's game seven it's ridiculous. Ridiculous auditing. I mean, what are we doing? The category is what's for dinner who what heaven? Daily. Hey, well, having Doro what door what spicy chicken stew and the national dish of this African country. Wow. What is the opium? That's correct. All right. A couple of different places. And I I guess the right one I'm resigning. Okay. What do you mean you resigning? I mean, what is the opium? He's genuinely asking. But what is it? The right answer. That's what it is. You have more. All right. No. I think we're about done with jeopardy. Oh, we are dominated dominated Greg fifty minutes gone. And we haven't spoken to you about game of thrones. Now, no spoilers. Okay. I still think we're within the the radius in which you can't give spoiler your thoughts on the better about all winter fell a couple of number one. It was almost on the fighting seen at night at times was almost unwatchable. I mean, the cinematography was off it needed to it was just to duck literally and figuratively. I it was literally difficult to watch that fight scene. And I wanted to see more of it in more detail. But the overarching opinion is I'm glad that they didn't kill off any of what I would. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. You're still inside. That's fear. Mike said, okay. Yeah. I mean, it's been it's Tuesdays on Sunday. I mean, I forty eight hours. Good. I find it hard to believe that anybody who's a real G O T fan would not have seen the episode yet. Nevertheless, I I can't say much except that it's building to the finish that I wanted to can I ask you a question because you guys I love this show. I see a lot of people do watch parties for this show. What's the point of that going to be talking to each other while it's going on shifting going on at these part? Yes, I get there early. What do you do? Do you go in costumes about the pre the pre party? You talk about what you think is going to happen. And then the is kind of a recap, right? Exactly. It's a real communal thing. I've been the GOP watch parties. I haven't I show up with a big rubber dragging on my shoulder. Fantastic. Start kep Assode probably doesn't do much for you. Because you don't know what's going on. Anyway. So it does it really matter. Oh, I know exactly. What's going on? I don't know all the character names, which leads people to believe. I don't know the show. Yeah. Just because I don't know him there. We also sorry. I don't know leanna Moremon in like, fourteen episodes, maybe name, we're Rachel. I'd remember you also didn't watch the first four seasons. I caught up. You did. Oh, yeah. I caught up to the show. I was running extra hard huffing literally catching up to the series. Okay. So like since episode TV works since episode one without giving away too much episode one they were trying to tell this tale of the white walkers white walkers first appeared in the very first episode of game a game of thrones. Right. We're not going to tell you exactly how. But they're episodes remaining. And I think we can put a bow on the white Walker story. Ooh. The adventures oil directly how. So where do you think this ends because they got like what? Three more episodes now four, right? I thought the end of the the series was going to be the white Walker storyline. But that's not it appears as I were going to actually just play the game of thrones. Now, right. Yes. That's why last night's episode. I think cleared away the answer Larry stuff in in a lot of begin fine tuning on on how this series is actually going to end. And and I just hope you know, as I don't have to tell anybody that. Oh, I'm obsessed with the mother of all dragons. And so I just pray that mother. Please be careful. It's it's a little frustrating being as rule fan of this show because I feel like the mob jumps down on you. When you don't understand certain getting it's an elitist audience by seeing every episode. I've only seen every episode once so excuse me, if I don't recognize a callback. When someone tells aria about a bunch of is that she saw and it was a line in like season three. How am I supposed to remember that without a previously owned game of thrones? That to me is a snob. Easiest thing this series. Does it just assumes, you know, everything and assumes that you're a die hard people need a refresher. Hell Highlander was week to week. But they told me what was going on each individual story was unique in Highlander. You had a single thread of there can be only one got it. Good. But I need a refresher. I I agree with that. I think it's it game of thrones fans tend to be a little on the snobby side. They're like people who are chess experts regarding everybody else's checkers players. If you give the the this recap before every episode though, you can kind of see where the episode is going to go. They replace something from episode. Like three seasons ago, you're gonna go that's important as I it's going to do something unless you're boy JR Martin just throws in like random things that have nothing to do with the episodes. That's coming up today. And it's like oh last time on game of thrones. It's just random scenes that have nothing to do with anything. Just to throw people off speaking of spoilers. I was gonna ruin ventures on Thursday. I was joking. When I I said that but all the people coming at me on Twitter makes me wanna really do it on Thursday. Oh, that might do it right now though in a sacrilege ruin it right now, you know, what happened.

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#04 | Cosmic Consciousness with Jonas Rosen

The Juan on Juan Podcast

1:25:36 hr | 1 year ago

#04 | Cosmic Consciousness with Jonas Rosen

"Hey guys before we get to the show. I am part of a PODCAST NETWORK. Now called fourth hand media plugging in my good friends at strange brew podcast. This is their promo. Make sure to check their stuff out. Super Funny Guys. And they're into all the cool conspiracy theories that I'm into so here it is. Are you easily offended because if you are you should probably stop listening? Are you interested in the bizarre and unusual? Are you fascinated by the grizzlies sides? Are you the one that people call Weirdo? Well then you should get hit. Strange brew podcast. A podcast a bunch of crazy connects tune in every week was strange. Bruce Host Tomcat Aka. Tom Thomson and Billy Kirby along with many different guests as we drink booze and we discussed anything strange paranormal from serial killers to aliens and all of the above so crack those beers and toss on those tin foil hats. Because it's about to get strange. Hello Hello and welcome to the fourth episode of the one on one podcast. I'm your host Juan on today's episode. We're going to cover a couple of topics but mostly it's going to be Covering psychedelics and higher consciousness I just got on talk on Jonas Rosen He has a youtube channel. He makes content and re in regards to You know higher. Consciousness Psychedelics d. m. t. things like that. Ufo's a little bit of of everything you know the the juice and we we really started getting into at the end and I was picking up momentum but unfortunately he had to go We talked about this before. Had Star though. Were on a time limit. But we're going to do another episode in the future to religious. Let loose because again star spinner spitting the the truth man and He's an aspiring therapist. he's psychedelic consultant he He does a few things Interesting guy you can check him out on Youtube. His Youtube Channel is cosmic conscious with Jonas Follow him on there and watch his videos. He talks about a lot of a lot of different things and and he brings a positive message and just positive energy which I feel a lot of people. Don't do with all the garbage that we see nowadays and on social media and stuff like that you know people just wasting other people's time just because there's it feels like there's always a new challenge every other week some stupid ass. Challenge the BIA. An idiot challenge this week. You know it's it's it's dumb offered off the lakes. We talked about that. Our condition in society to taunt likes to always have that ego on the back of our minds Always eating away at us and for as much as you always have people talk about. I'm not you know I don't care what people think of me. Yes you do. It's human nature to care about what people think about you because it's always there. It's always eating away you. I'm GonNa make this bark as I said I'm not gonNA look at the download is GonNa get I. Guess what I'm GonNa do when it comes out when I put on the up only be looking at the views going to be looking at how many times it was downloaded. Oh you know has it. And we let that affect our our being our our moods You know all these things but again I I feel. Jones has a positive message Which again one of my goals. When making this podcast was to I want you to listen to this and and leave with something more not just hear me rant about Blake's on so I dunno whatever but I want you to to learn something like a fun fact today they know about Xyz. Today you do you know. So this is cosmic conscious. This with Jonas Rosen. Enjoy guys and we're live. Welcome to the show Johnson. Thank you for joining me today. Man We're just chatting for a little bit. I mean you probably wanted to girl like you know what you're getting yourself into before you now it's a it's a pleasure to be here. It's a pleasure to be here. It's a pleasure to chat I think we both got some kind of some interesting ideas to kick around so yeah. Let's see where this goes. So who is Jonas? Rosen like like Ice Rosen. Rosen Rosen Rosen. Is Jonas Rosen? Like this is a question I ask everybody who comes on the podcast. 'cause I I believe it's a question that we don't get enough and it just really makes you and I know you're like a philosophical guy so it really makes you stop for a second and think like Like who am I Yeah I mean it is a this is if you asked me that question right. There is touching on. Actually some of life's greatest mysteries like I'm not trying to get like two philosophical or heavy right off the bat but I kind of am because for me The self is a extremely profound mystery. I mean I can start on kind of like the surface level. Jonas Jonas like me right now. I am and aspiring therapists and aspiring spiritual guide a PSYCHEDELIC consultant I am the creator of Youtube Channel called cosmic consciousness with Jonas Where I make videos in different content that touches on on a bunch of different topics from spiritual awakening to psychedelics meditation spiritual insights and all this stuff so I spent a lot of time thinking about Spiritual awakening and really. I mean I would just say like life's greatest mysteries like a very young age. I've always been really fascinating about the big questions. Where do we come from? What's going on? What is what is the mystery of life. Like what are we doing where we where we come from and where we going you know and Yeah. I mean I do really think that over over kind of years of like just trying to absorb and learn as much as I can and explore different topics I have come to see The mystery of the self as one of one of the greatest mysteries in existence. Like it's easy. It's easy to say. Like I'm Jonas Rosen. And this and that is my identity but Yeah I've come to see that there's like a deeper essence to are being like pure consciousness or Awareness like the lifeforce in our body the spark of life the only one thing about who or what we are. That's never changed since day. One like when when we were just born. We didn't have this body right. We're we we were in a different body when we were just born and we also didn't have the identity like when I was just born. I didn't know my name is Jonas. I didn't know anything in fact about Misha entity who I was and yet even from day one. I was still meat. I was never not knee rising. So what is that pure essence like what is that deeper truth true nature. What is that like? What is that deeper truth to? Who or what we are and for me like that's why I say it's a mystery because ultimately I think it's beyond thought like what is that poor lifeforce that pure consciousness and I mean there's many different answers to that question. There's many different approaches to answering that question. But it's worth noting that even the most cutting edge science even the most brilliant You know thinker in the world ultimately at the end of the day has no idea what consciousness is. It's a complete paradox. Because consciousness is the Mo like we're being a being conscious is the most is familiar to all of us we all know it intimately well because there's no experience of life possible without consciousness and yet at the same time we are mystery to ourselves like we don't we all are conscious and yet we don't know what consciousness is. There's something very fascinating about that. But kind of another angle. Which which like. I approach that idea or that question of the self is if you zoom out a little bit and look at the big picture like on a cosmic scale. We're all expressions of the same underlying existence right like we're all children of this universe. We've all emerged out of the same source like even if you if you just look at the Big Bang theory. I'm just I'm just wrapping at this point. So you can. You can interrupt me or or stop at any by your thing man. If if you look at the Big Bang Theory for example it tells us that pretty much every single all scientists agree that this is the most accurate way of understanding. The history of the universe. Is the Big Bang Theory that the universe has inflated cosmetically inflated which means that if you go back around thirteen billion years ago this entire universe started as a ball of energy that smaller than an atom like literally smaller than an atom this entire universe the tire all of space and time and is truly truly incomprehensible to try to wrap the mind around that but that idea it just demonstrates that we all started from the same source right like we're all express if you just keep going back into the history of the universe at some point we all need at some point we are all expressions of the same infinite source and that brings us back to this idea of like consciousness and the mystery of the self because yet we are human beings and yes like you're over there and I'm over here in in a relative sense. We're definitely separate like we're not one in the same but on a deeper sense we very much are one and the same. We are expressions of the same ultimate source. It's like a lot of people compared to waves on the ocean. Like you look there. There's one way you look over there. There's another wave and those two waves are different. And they're separate but at the same time they are expressions of the same underlying ocean and both waves ultimately on a deeper level are unified to add to that You know it's like that saying You know we're spiritual beings having a human experience because because you know we we've always been but I think about what you said and You know the Cosmos and and I know we talked about before we started the episode. Abou- I've seen different ideologies and different ideas and and I've gotten to the point where I believe in a higher power because you can't just assume that you know we were a ball of dust somewhere in the in the universe in the galaxy and we came to be in. You know what I mean like. There had to be something that had to click to make sure that things are. They way they are. And that's why I say like I believe in a creator and In a higher power. That's that's running the show because of this because I feel that something you know like conscious as you if you have a you know some some dust somewhere in in the middle of the galaxy. It's not going to think up to be like. Hey let's let's let's make this this way. You know what I mean like. They talk about the Big Bang. Well like what like what really came. First the chicken or the egg you know so I feel that consciences and sciences just now. Starting to Coralie like spirituality with science they're starting to to find a correlation like today. Hey there's something here and it's just now you know quantum physics and all these things are starting to be like wait a minute. There's probably something there what is it. It's like dark matter. We don't know what that is. We know it's there Gravity we know it's there we know the effects it has on things but what is it. We don't know right and it just blows my mind and you know you talked about asking all these questions from the very beginning. It's like the I. I was actually thinking about this today. The first conspiracy that that you know that were introduced to you know like the dinosaurs you know what took out the dinosaurs or dinosaurs even real You know I another conspiracy. I got to when I when I was like in entries like the Bermuda Triangle. You know like the weird things going on and and these questions that you ask and it's human nature ask questions and I recently. I was talking to somebody about this today. I recently got speaking of the cosmos. I recently got a telescope for Christmas. Nice and I was talking to my stepbrother. About how a lot of people think because again. I don't trust the government a hundred percent because they've they've been calling toast and there's a lot of things that they're not gonNA tell us You know NASA to an organization is run by the government. They talk about how a majority almost all pictures of deep space. Cgi you know so what is ruined. What is not because there are so many things that we don't understand in on earth and you're gonNa tell me you know one. Light Year is seven trillion miles. That's a lot that how do you? How do you like? There's a thousand miles from where I'm at to New York. How do you even begin to comprehend a trillion seven trillion miles? You know what I mean. It's like it's like what so by when I got the telescope. I for some reason again and and and this cause some sometimes we talk without doing research and without thinking about things I thought for some reason nebulous didn't look the way they look but guess what they they look the way they look in the pictures you know. It's like out you know you can go out. And look at the Orion Nebula and and literally looks like the pictures of nebulous. It's like there's different methods of taking astro photography. You know with different methods of exposures and stuff like that so might look fake but it's really not fake that's there you know that's the thing that's actually there. You know the all these celestial bodies they are what they look like and I just thought you know talking about the cosmos and how how infant everything is it just amazes me that that even if this thing really is you know a thousand light years away I can literally go outside of my backyard and look up and it looks like it's right there but it's but is it really that far away in a all these different things all these questions you ask yourself. And I've always been amazed by space and I know you your your Your Youtube channels of cosmic consciousness. So it's like you know the cosmos blows your mind And I know you talked a little bit about your Youtube Channel. How has that transform like your way? I know you've probably met all the people through there and I know you have a decent following on their. How how has that you know transformative you on everything and exposed to different ideas? Oh man that's a really good question Well I think anytime that when I first started like it's transformed me more profoundly than I ever could have imagined when I when I first got got started because it pushed me out of out of my comfort zone in a really big way anytime that you are creating something like basically anytime. You're you're following your dreams. I in a sense anytime that you're trying to create something and manifest something and put it out in the world and like put your heart into something in share with people along the way one you're going to face self-doubt to you'RE GONNA face fear of failure three you're GONNA face fear of Judgment Four you'RE GONNA face insecurity all all these things like all these all these like inner Emotional awareness or it's a self awareness is what it is. It's like a self awareness that and this is probably not the answer that you thought you may have you but but like always talked about. It's hard creating content. Because it's something that I think a lot about because when I first got started with Youtube I just wanted to make videos in like I want it like I had. I had messages that I wanted to share ahead like ideas I wanted to explore and I just wanted to make videos. I was just like excited about the idea. But then within the first couple of videos I realized like Oh wow okay. I'm actually like this is not as easy as I thought I'm. I'll feel unreal. Insecure that all these people are leaving these comments and judging me and this and that and I was talking about spiritual awakening like even for my first for my first videos it was. It was really about kind of like exploring the mystery. The self like everything that we were just talking about and I was kind of like exploring this idea that the ego or the human identity is not the deepest truth to what we are ultimately like. There's some deeper truth or essence to are being and yet at the same time like that. Human part of me was still always worrying about like how people were judging me you know and always looking at the comments and looking at how many likes to add this and that and all of this is like the ego that in that same video I was just describing how. It's an allusion so like it took me a little while to realize that that is kind of paradoxical that doesn't really add up that I'm saying like Oh this and that is the egos just an illusion and yet at the same time. I'm like Oh is worried about what people are saying. How many video has your condition to society? Does that condition to to. I don't know if you play you play video games at all a little bit. Have you heard a death stranding? I have not he'd Okajima. Well the guy who made metal gear solid. He made a game and in the game It got a lot of criticism because again we're America America. You know guns everything's shooting. Everything's modern warfare. Call of duty all this stuff and this game. It's literally and it sounds. It sounds dumb but you have to like play to to understand. You're literally going around post-apocalyptic United States. You're going around delivering packages. That is literally that game. You're like an Amazon. Prime guy going around delivering and it sounds stupid. But there's more to it than just that it's the game itself the game play the story line. I like I enjoy it but the game itself. It has a A system where you can so it's like online but not you know face to face online so whatever I build my world for example if I build a bridge in my world you'll see it in your world and whatever somebody else building their world will help me in my world and there's a system where it goes up to it you can go up to and like it. In one of the there was a part of the game where you collect these old I guess data from different people and they talked about that I I. It's funny because he talked about it in the game. It was like there was a time when people would get you know euphoria from getting likes and we were not like basis side because everybody all they want is likes like slice or how many followers you got. Oh this and that it's like we don't want to cause a lot of the Times you have that that that that thought process of autumn. I don't care what people think I don't care about that but deep down inside like you said you do care. So so why are you checking? How many likes you like. I made this podcast. And that's one of the main things that I'm going to try not to do but I it's bound to happen because it's human nature like you're GonNa you're GonNa put on an episode or I'm pretty sure you do it. I mean you put on an episode all the time on Youtube or whatever it is you. Don't get the reaction that you thought you were going to or your every every hour checking the views and it's like you know that society we're conditioned you know that that's what it is and and even though you don't. WanNa let it put you down. It's GONNA put you down. You know it's like it's always there in the back of your mind and there's nothing wrong or bad about that like you said. I mean it is really just just human nature and we are very deeply conditioned to think and behave that way. There's nothing really wrong or bad about it but the good thing about it is that through that. It's a challenge. It presents challenging emotional experiences in that builds emotional awareness that builds self-awareness and builds wisdom. So like that's something that I realized to through the through the youtube channel the process of creating like this sounds Kinda cheesy and cliche or whatever but the journey itself is as valuable insignificant and important as the final product or whatever content. You end up creating right. I realized that just through like the past couple of years of trying to make these videos videos aside like however the videos turned out that aside just that undertaking that project like trying to put myself out there and like like squeeze out all my creative juices into this content. That itself has helped me grow in expand in so many ways in that. You're GONNA as you continue to develop this podcast. You'RE GONNA you. You probably already have begun to experience that yourself like how you have. The you have the finish created product. That's one thing and that's great but then on the other You also have like the experience of actually creating net product that again again throughout our life in small way in minor ways major ways that will affect our experience of life. Well you know the reason I wanted to start this podcast because like I told you that that personal renaissance and you're talking about the experience so right now I'm experiencing I'm experiencing this conversation. It's already changing the way I'm looking at things. You know listening to your ideology. You're listening to me. It's an experience like you said I want to share that. You know whatever I learn from wherever as long as it's beneficial and it doesn't cause harm because obviously I believe in the law. Traction you know words have power and I recently took a break from social media And it was amazing because I think it's the rudest thing when you're trying to talk to somebody and I don't feel people. I don't feel people talk anymore. I don't feel people read books anymore. I don't feel people do any of that stuff and I took a break from social media and it felt so good nuts have to check your phone every two seconds or worry about this worry about that but again we're so conditioned and there's so much garbage there's more garbage on social media and there is good and I'm the type of person that I've I feel like I listen to a lot of podcasts. And not just any type of podcasts. Like something that is going to benefit me so something about either about business or about life or whatever it is something that's going to benefit me like you can listen to to to garbage music or go through while some means really funny but you know flip through memes or Cavas whatever it is and waste time you know. Knowledge is power so every second of the day. If I'm not on the phone for work I'm learning something. Yom expanding my knowledge in my mind. That's one of these I wanted to do with this. I don't WanNa just bring a podcast. I people I wanNA make it fun but at the same time I want people to learn I want people to to to when they finish this podcast. They got something out of it. You know like Oh man. I learned that all that really inspired me you know and and again I love it. You know I'm enjoying easy. You have to enjoy the process as well and and you know I I do enjoy you know and I wouldn't know reached out to you. I didn't enjoy your content again. You're not gonNA have something. I'm pretty sure you experience a lot of hate to especially YouTube. It's it's toxic again. Social Media The Internet's toxic. But the reason I can't I went back onto social media after taking. That break was too because it's it's a powerful marketing tool of essentially it can be a free. You know powerful free marketing tool if used correctly. But if you're on their spreading hate or or posting stupid things than you know how far are you going to going to get you know depends on what you WanNa put what you? WanNa convey out there and put out there and the only reason I came back on it was to promote my podcast. You get on there and make his ground for a start pushing it because I'm sure you're aware you know getting a following doesn't happen from night today. I understand that but guess what I'm just GonNa stay in my lane worry about what's going on now and again. Enjoy that process of say man. That's the way to doing it because what's the point of of hours reading a blog today about some guy who puts out He he puts on with Terry about Like Nas tick Views and religion and stuff like that mysticism and all this stuff and one of the latest posts was that he was shutting it down because you know he's not getting a kick back from and and he's not getting Mon Monetary Gain. From and I go. That's where you must stop man because you're looking at it as a business. It's not a business. Just make contact man. Just put it out there. It's it's not easy right. You know. It's not easy finding people talk about things with me. I. It's not GonNa Happen. You know just do it. No but the guy apparently shutdown and this was like a year ago. Shut it down and like stop making stuff because he wasn't like wasn't getting patriots or whatever. It's like really bro. Everybody wants to make. Everybody wants to be that Joe. Rogue and everybody wants to be the million followers on a million subscribers on youtube sweat it takes time any and just any business really takes time and you have to brand yourself as well What so. So all that aside what What is for somebody who who really isn't into to the spirituality and stuff like that what is higher consciousness to you like. Is there even higher? Consciences I know that I love ancient civilizations and especially you know the Egyptians I WanNa read a quote to the it's GonNa relate to some of the things when we started talking about psychedelics I know you're probably into turns McKenna. Of course says psychedelics illegal not because a loving government is concerned that you may jump out of a third story window. Psychedelics are illegal because they dissolve opinion structures and culturally laid down models of behavior and information processing. They open you up to the possibly to that. Everything you know is wrong so I know you're a big advocate and psychedelics. And the Egyptians for example they viewed higher consciousness as sacred. And a thing that that you know and again there's there's records of this all over you know for example they they they the the Blue Lotus. You know how they made a tea with that and they had a second experience with that A lot of our that. You See From Baghdad especially there's correlations of it being you know Oh that looks like a d. n. t. trip you know that's that looks like this. That looks like that. What is higher consciousness to you as far as that goes. That's a really good question Well I mean there's a few different kind of layers or levels to it. I mean just for the sake of explaining I guess you can kinda start on a on a human level where higher states of consciousness I would. I would associate with more positive. Emotional states generally so Things like Love peace presence. Compassion Awareness Freedom Gratitude these our generally associate with higher states of consciousness. Where you're you're more expanded. And you're more aware of the present. Moment in states of in lower states of consciousness is almost like a more constricted more limited way of perceiving the world and I would generally associate that with things like fear rage jealousy. Where in those in those emotional states not that they're bad or wrong? I mean they are a just a part of being human but at the same in in those emotional states. You're not a. It's not really possible to connect to that more expansive perspective of the fact that like you know the the bigger picture of how how miraculous life is and how much there is to be a to be grateful for. I would say I think that higher states of consciousness go beyond like this is just my perspective but I do think that consciousness ultimately transcends our humanness discount what I was saying earlier that consciousness is cosmic consciousness is transcending like in the same way that a I was compared to a computer. Just like how. A computer doesn't produce. The electrical current computer needs electrical current to run to be animated But it doesn't doesn't generate the electric the electrical current and likewise I see the brain bio computer. I don't I don't in my perspective. The brain doesn't generate consciousness But it's just like how The COMPUTER NEEDS ELECTRICITY. To be animated. The brain needs consciousness to be animated into come to life so I would say that higher states of consciousness ultimately transcend our this human lifetime our human identity and through psychedelics in through like spiritual practices. And there's there's many. There's many like meditation in many different ways of doing it. But you're accessing the a state of being that it's an expanded state of awareness so it's literally like your perception is expanded your more It's kind of like the best comparison that I could give for. Higher States of consciousness is like a person who like a the mountaintop view. When you're on top of the mountain you're GonNa have a much bigger view than when you're on on the ground level and you're just starting to hike up the mountain if you're in that bird's eye view then you have a much more expansive perspective like that that is a higher state of consciousness. Is that expanded perspective of life as it is commonly associated with that are more positive emotional states like liberation. Like joy and love and compassion. And all those more positive emotional states naturally emerge from this from these higher states of consciousness. And I would say partially because like the more that you are. You have this kind of bird's eye perspective. The more like viscerally apparent it is that a life is a complete miracle be there is a tremendous beauty in the way that the cosmos has just kind of like self organized itself into this incredibly vast and intricate in detailed and harmonious and beautiful existence and also use it like from expanded states of consciousness. You also see like from that. Bird's eye view you see the oneness of all things like you see that it becomes very clear that everything is interconnected. Everything is this is the this is the cosmic perspective. This is the COSMO centric way of seeing the world that we are all expressions of the cosmos that are individual consciousness is an expression of like a deeper unified existence. And so that's why like in these higher states of consciousness as you begin to see from a more zoomed out perspective life as it is without like all the human conditioning like trump like judging constantly judging the world around us and seeing separateness all things you see unity in all things and so you naturally tend towards love enjoying compassion and speaking of that so You associated with with happiness and and and the good things. Do you feel that somebody can use it for evil or it can be evil eye for example when somebody you know has like a like a bad trip. You know like what are you? What are your thoughts on? That can be used for bad or is it only good all the states of consciousness. Yeah no I don't I don't believe that higher states of consciousness can be used for evil I I don't know I mean 'cause the thing is if you're if you're perpetrating something that has genuinely evil on another person than what I mean. Though it's like that's that's not I wouldn't not at all call call that a a higher state of consciousness because like what is the. What is the intent behind that? What is the what is the goal or objective like or? What is the reason why that violence or that cruelty or that was being perpetrated? That can only ever emerge. This is my perspective that can only ever emerge from unconsciousness from allusion from MIS perceiving the world MIS perceiving. Light that kind of like intentionally perpetrating evil on others. That comes out of unconsciousness. That doesn't that never comes out of consciousness. Who is I think? It's Carl Young. Talks about the subconscious. This as well So Do you feel. What are your thoughts on on psychedelics? As far as what do you think they were put because again they you know I have a lot of people are. Oh well we'll drugs putting chemicals into your body this now. It's like well everything that happens. Our biology our human body. Our life what we're seeing right now What I'm thinking how I feel. It's all chemical reaction exactly you know and these things again. These things. They grow for example Mushrooms in a suicide and whatever it is whatever much take psychopathic. It grows in nature. You know it comes from nature. It's not manufactured comes from nature. How is it that these people back? Then how did they know that? For example I o Oscar. How they know out of all the you know how vast the Amazon rainforest is all species of animal species of insect species of plants. How they know to mix these two things here to be able to Ingest D. M. T. or early how you know what I mean. It's crazy to me like a century right now right now I can. I have a supercomputer with me at all times. I have my phone. I have my my apple. Watch I have some have a supercomputer me? I can access whatever information that I want right now. I can literally just push of a button. Find out any answer to anything that I want that I wanNA find out how people do it back then. There was. There was no smartphone. There was no there. Wasn't even people navigate with the Stars? You know they looked up and said okay. This let me let me I. Completely like yeah. That's something I've I've thought a lot about myself to actually people have people have done the math. And like the probability of that 'cause in order to make Iowa in in order to make dm to you orally active you have to combine a plant that contains DM tea with a another plant of vine that has an Ma Oh inhibitor. An enzyme inhibitor. That stops enzymes in the stomach from breaking down the EMT it only functioned like Dat. Dat is only orally active in Iowa. If these two very specific plans are combined as you were saying people have actually like run the numbers on it and the odds of them finding that exact combination is something like one in like hundreds of billions. It's it's ridiculous it's crazy and actually if yeah it's it's like winning the powerball lottery like multiple times in a row. It's just it's ridiculous but actually like if you ask the indigenous people themselves like where did where did this knowledge. Where did this sacred knowledge come from? They say that the plants told them like the plants This like the the spirits of the plants have communicated this knowledge to them and have shown them the way of thousands and thousands of years ago and that means in these indigenous societies. They they. They really did. That's something that we are lacking completely in the in. The modern Western world is this connection to spirit is the connection to like mother earth and the sacredness of life. And that's something that they they that was their entire light light. Their entire way of being was oriented around that connection to mother earth around spirit and so that opened up like doors of perception. If you WANNA call it that communication with different entities potentially or with different spirits at least in their experience that were able to give them these downloads and literally point them into like into revealing new secrets of life. Such as how to Brew Iowa so the and this is something we can stop their because we can branch out here and there's two topics I want to talk about so it's touched the psychedelics I know you talk about. Emt Allott and I explained to you. Mt To me is is very interesting and eventually I wanna try it but they you know it's obviously the Mo the strongest psychedelic there is it's I have friends who won't touch it because they say it's crazy. I have a Alex Gray painting in my room right now and I. I said this friend of mine said man if I if I was to see something like that I would freak the hell out you know something and I have another friend and I told him I was A. Hey listen I got. This painting goes dude. That's a real place. You know that place that you've seen there that that is a real place. What are your experiences with D. M. T. and specific I know people have. I know there's different types of EMT different Different and each different type has their own different experience but they all have similarities. And I don't know if it's a coincidence that everybody who does the MT experiences something similar. What are your experiences and your thoughts about the empty? Oh man that's a. that's a big question because I do I do I do talk a lot about GMT. Because as made such a profound impact on my life. And I mean just that one question alone I could probably write like four full books on it but there's deemed has deemed. He has fundamentally changed. My Life is totally changed my perspective on life and the Cosmos everything everything and the reason for that is when I took GMT I had. This wasn't my first psychedelic experience. I had already been kind of interested and involved in psychedelics when I learned about the emt overnight just became obsessively fascinated with this substance because always hearing all these reports of people having these out of body experiences traveling to other realms and dimensions which felt more real than this physical lifetime. All this stuff meeting You know entities and extraterrestrial extra dimensional beings spiritual entities in these different realms and basically describing what felt like a direct encounter with God like. That's really the only way to put it. I mean ultimately it's it's so far beyond words but that's the closest we can get and so yeah. I mean just just overnight. I was completely fascinated by this and was trying to learn everything I could and absorb as much information as I possibly could about the Mt. Listen to a bunch of trip reports and all that and finally like a few months after that I was like all right will at this point. I just got to try it because I I've listened to I I there's only so much I can. I can keep reading just like anything. I mean until you're the it's all about the experience man. So so what do you do? You do like say it again. What type did you do Yes so there there is there are there are multiple types of DM t the two the two that are really most well known and squirt discussing in my opinion are one is called an n d m t and the other is called Five Emmy owed emt end emt. That's the one that I tried. And that's the one that's also found in Iowa it's end. Emt's is a really fascinating mystery because one it's naturally produced in the human body endogenously in the human body. We all have D. M. T. In right now and not only is it found in humans. It's found in a huge basically every mammal species in a huge variety of plants Plant animal species naturally produce. Dmz like even common grass has trace amounts of D. M. T. And this is a really. This is a really significant mystery is. Why does such a huge variety plant and animal species? Have this one random molecule in them and not only that but this one random molecule happens to be the most powerful psychedelic molecule that we know of how it's it's a it's a it's a complete mystery and interpret that as you will in my perspective. I mean I think that that is. It's like a. It's somehow like a message from the higher powers that be. It's somehow a message from life like this is a key. This is a sacred key. Use this for knowledge. Growth and awakening and healing. This opens the door to sacred wisdom. And that's really I think that's really the power in the potential that I saw in it. And that's why became so fascinated by this mystery is because it became very clear at a certain point that this potentially if used in the right way not in all circumstances but if used in the right way D-. Emt there is no doubt can be a key to giving us new insights into some of life's biggest mysteries into life after death where we came from where we're going. The nature of consciousness does not exist. Is there such a thing as a soul and on and on like basically all of the big life questions that have been debated since the dawn of humanity in in some way like d. m. t. can give you insight into that question in so that was really like the power value that I saw in it and once I finally had the opportunity to try like it was every bit as unbelievably incredible and insane as I had thought that it might be but actually in fact even more so because like words can never do it justice? It's like trying to explain color to a blind person like or trying to explain. What the flavor of lemon tastes like to someone who's never tried. It could talk on and on and on but until you taste lemon for yourself. You're not going to truly know as you said. It's all about the direct experience but yeah I do really see. Emt in a League of its own when it comes to when it comes to psychedelics. And everyone's going to agree with that but in my in my perspective it is. I mean it really depends on like what you're trying to explore. What like why you why you're interested in the in the psychedelic experience but DM Tepe Is Unique in the sense. That when you're when you take the M. T. It's it's it feels like a complete out of body experience like with most with most psychedelics. Unless you're doing like a really high dose if if you're if you're taking suicide in LSD mescaline you. Can you absolutely have these really like profound sometimes out of body experiences but in in my experience when I've taken these other psychedelics although I am? I'm I have very intense experiences there. I still am very much grounded in my body in this reality entire time like everything will be intensely psychedelic and I will be significantly altered state of consciousness but also firmly ground like it won't feel like an out of body experience now other people have definitely had out about any experiences with different psychedelics. But for me. That's why I say that. Emt is in a League of its own. Because every time I've done a high dose of D. M. T. or a breakthrough dose of D. M. T. It literally feels like the pure consciousness at the very core of my being or the soul or the spirit or whatever you WANNA call it has temporarily left the body. Behind like my. I'M NO LONGER JONAS. Like my human identity has been stripped away and this gets back to like everything earlier that we were saying about the mystery of the self but then that in that state it feels like people called a breakthrough experience because it feels like you literally breakthrough into a different dimension of existence. Like if feels like well I mean to some extent it it. It's incredibly intense. It in and it can be scary like in the sense that a rollercoaster Can Be Scary. I would say a rollercoaster ride In some ways is like a little bit of analogy to the to the MTA experience. 'cause you're going from zero to a hundred. Real quick is is a very very intense and rapid shift in consciousness that happens. That's another reason that that's another thing that distinguishes dot from other psychedelics. Like DM t you when you smoke. Emt. I walk is is different from the pure smoked or brise the MTA experience but it within a few heartbeats with in a few seconds of taking that I that I hit you feel like your entire body star. It feels like the if feels like the energy or the lifeforce in your body has just been turned up to full volume like like sue. V Very intense. And as like you take you take usually people say take like three or four big hits of DMC and that's that's like a breakthrough dose in with each progressive hit like the experience it just jumps up like further and further like eat in greater greater intensity and in some ways yet it it is scary it is and like. I would say that no no matter how many times I've Done D. M. T. every time. I have the opportunity to do it again. I still feel some anxiety however it always it always fades away so quickly like with within within doing it because it's so incredible like like what's what's being revealed to you. It's it's it's so amazing and incredible in in some ways you have to. You have to kind of take that leap in order to. I don't know in order to to explore and discover in like gain these gain these insights and gain these knowledge gain this knowledge and gain gain these new experiences. Kind of like how? The early explorers like when they were trying to make a map of of the globe. You know like they would leave the port and they would sail out to sea and at some point you have to feel like at some point that coastline is. GonNa fade away and until you keep on sailing out of the out of the site of the coastline like yes. It is a risk but the rewards are great and I would also say that through again it comes back to the same idea of like d the. The personal growth. That comes out of going outside of your comfort zone and facing your year's end moving through fear rather than like trying to trying to run away in the opposite direction is such a powerful experience. It's there's so much to be gained learned in like that's such a source of empowerment face a great fears and you move through it and you come out the other side you say no what. I'm okay I'm still breathing baby. Let's go like I'm all good. That wasn't as bad as I thought in like. I have the power to face my fears and come out on the other side of it am i. Am I trying to say that everyone should do DMC absolutely not do I think everyone is in a place where they can benefit from the empty absolutely not? That's not what I'm saying but like a I do think that Dm T. has so so much to teach us about the nature of life in the mysteries of life. That at some point like you have to take that leap of Sake like you have to be. I don't know I don't know the one of my favorite and I I've probably I've probably said this on every episode that I've recorded my favorite quote by HP lovecraft the oldest and strongest emotional mankind of sphere and the oldest and strongest. Kind of fear is a fairly unknown. So it's got you know has to do with what you said about taking that leap and and doing things that you know outside of your comfort on the growth that you will experience from Matt. Obviously something good You know is is is priceless. Have you done? I O Oscars I. I know the smoking the vapor of the MTA is is Like a fifteen minute. Experience for Zaia was six to eight hours. I don't WanNa do I lost because I hate throwing up and I know one of the side effects Then you get what diarrhea throw up from. Iowa not always not always. I've done it once and I didn't experience either They call it. They call it purging. Yeah Yeah I in in the in the community it's called it's called pershing And no I I mean I didn't experience I did do Iowa once So I have much much less experience and with I WASPA- than with with pure tea which I've done on on a number of occasions but Yeah it is. It is a significantly different experience. I mean the pershing itself is not is not even necessary. Like like I said I didn't I had a fantastic experience with Wasco but the purging experience again. It comes back to this. Same idea of like partial part of the value in it is because it is uncomfortable. Like part of the part and end. There's there's like it's the same idea where by going through a process that in a moment. It's uncomfortable you come out on the other side and like you've gained it something you've you've you. You heal deep deep wounds through that process in a way. That can't be done any other way. It's like you're going to the dentist or even like maybe even more intense. Let's say like you've you've torn ligament and you need to get surgery. There's nothing there's nothing comfortable or enjoyable about that process There's nothing comfortable or enjoyable about going to the dentist right and yet we do it because like we heal through that we heal through that Zor. We Roll Yeah. It's IT'S A. There's no other way to gain that Suffering has a lot to teach us. You know like suffering when used skillfully when when received and navigated in a skillful means has so much to teach us and there is a lot of healing and growth to be gained from that. And that's part of the value in the psychedelic experience in general a lot. People say this about Iowa Ska but the same is true for like different For Cilla Simon in different psychedelics. These can be some of this is not always a joy ride. You know like Trips you know people experienced but it's it's all about the mindset before you go into the experience because again I mind over matter The line is a powerful thing. Words are powerful things so whatever you say is going to manifest itself and if that day and this is why haven't done any because if that day I was having a bad day or I was thinking negatively and go into experience negatively. You'RE NOT GONNA you're not GonNa have a good time. You know not going to happen and you have to be clear-headed like even before. I start the podcast. I try to clear my mind So I can focus on the task at hand You know I want to be able to to not be zoning ow you know really take in that. Message Digest Information And again I believe. Psychedelics are You know they should be out. I don't mess with the Colt like you know like I don't I? Don't mess with that stuff because it's a sacred thing it's powerful doesn't doesn't mean I don't believe in it you know I definitely believe in it but it's like it's one of those things where it's like. I'm not gonNA mess with that. You know what I mean. 'cause 'cause that can open you up to Neg- negative energies and stuff like that. Well I WANNA I wanna add something in there like I would say that again. This is just me like speaking from my experience. My my perspective going into the psychedelic experience. I think that a key word for me is surrender. And like it's not a surrender. As in in the sense of giving up its surrender. In the sense of coming into full alignment coming into full conscious alignment with the natural unfolding of the experience. And sometimes like even if you're having the best day of your life and you let's say you're having a psychedelic like you decided to take experience a psychedelic on a certain day. You have the best day of your life that you we still ultimately don't really have control over the the way that you know what comes up. Something universities random that we don't expect and so like we the reason I say that is because it's important I think to be open to whatever comes up and that might be some like a a difficult experience of you know like childhood memory that was really disturbing or like some sort of like painful experience or a relationship comes to mind that we really need to like improve change or do this and that so like the psychedelic experience. Our mind is a vast ocean and like there's so much in the subconscious and unconscious that obviously it's in the subconscious. We're not aware of it presently but it's there in like it. May it may arise in the PSYCHEDELIC. Anything may arise in the PSYCHEDELIC experience. So I would I would say that. Like really being open to just going with the natural flow of the experience and again like if a difficult or challenging experience does arise like. Let's say you do start to feel like a certain type of sadness or like some sort of it's really letting it move through you rather than resisting it in saying like no I wanna have like a good experience even more powerful even more transformative is if like you. Just let go all that resistance again. Like surrender to the experience. Let it let it move through. You like let it be as it is let it let let that's such that's such a powerful like life lesson. In general I think in in a lot of cases but especially in in the in the PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE. Like just letting life be as it is and letting letting it move through you. And that's that's where that's where all the healing comes from. That's where all the human comes from and like the like in fact the other approach when you resist it like when you say like no no I don't want I don't want to think about that or like had that experience or do that. I WanNa have like a bright happy experience. It's actually that act of inner resistance that cycles the trip downwards into further and further more difficult and more challenging. You can't you can't you. Can't enjoy think Kanye West talks about this? You can enjoy the good if you don't experience the bad like you know one of the things I always talk about. It's like you know you know at night when you could breathe through both nostrils and then out of nowhere. One gets clogged up. It's like you took advantage of all times. You had both you know what I mean. It's like something like that's like damn man like you know took advantage of you. Don't know what's that saying. They say you don't know what you have until it's gone and that you know that can be with life The if you have to take the good with the bad you know like I I I got engaged last week. And it's like you know it's like marriage through through through health and you know and sickness. I you know you have to love them unconditionally. And stuff like that and you talked about the MT being in everything. I I find it so fascinating that the Egyptians you know the peanut Glenn how they knew that you know they talk about before a You before you when you're born and before you die you have a release of the MTA body through the piano. Glenn and I find it so crazy that again coincidence I don't know the Egyptians the Iowa Cyrus is the shape of that in our body and it's like we can't know for a fact if y'all we do release it when we because essentially they'd have to somebody up and killed him. You know to to be able to know if that's really what's true for some reason the Egyptian that I go back to the interested because I love Egypt I love it. It's just it's amazing what these people did with you. Can't we can't even replicate the things that like for the Pyramids? Even if we wanted to we wouldn't be able to replicate them as quickly as they did and on the skilled they did. If you look at some of these structures of these ancient civilizations how you like how like yeah. See Pictures of people sitting standing right next time. It's like how do you know how do you? How and you talk about the the that you see while on the N. t. like do you feel again. This is another ten. You feel that maybe weren't a simulation and these these things these beings whatever they are. Maybe they're walking. Because I've I've listened to different experiences where people though they look up and they see dome or they'll see these what they call the machine elves or the or the CD's these intelligent beings when they break through whatever it is that are recognizing them while they're having that experience what are what are those at the same time. I feel that the anti is a beautiful thing. And it's a sacred thing but at the same time it's like does it. Leave me with more questions than answers like. It's one of those type of experiences where you WANNA know but at the same time it's like it goes away so quickly that it's like oh like have more questions than answers now and it's like you're trying to figure out the questions of the universe you know. Yeah so do you feel that again with with religion. I don't have a problem with religion but I feel that religion. Is You know we were put into this box. And any anything. That's not of the religion always it's demonic. Or Oh it's this I had a discussion with somebody A story in the Old Testament and I said Hey. Do you know about the story. I. I don't know about that. That's really dark as dark things in the Bible man. There's a lot of the the you know. The Bible's a lot more interesting than people give it. Give it credit to be and there's a lot of dark things in the Bible and my problem with the Bible is that One translation says one thing the other translation says the other thing. But then you know when you question it the first thing they told me like well you know ask for guidance. It's like no I don't I know I want to interpret you. Know it's it's it's I want to interpret and this is how I'm interpreting. No it's not like that Those are storing the by what I was talking to some in there like. Yeah don't don't read the Old Testament you know we don't we don't believe in that and it's like wait. Wait what it. It's in the Bible Dude. Like how you GonNa tell me not to read it. It's like no no go ahead and focus on the New Testament and just read that. And it's like you know if you think something negatively if you doubt if you do this if I'm GonNa Slack for those because my family's Christian but you know what I'm thinking outside the box you know it's like what if how do you you know I asked you about the deities that you see How do you what do you feel? Do you feel what are these things are these are is are they are the creators? I what are they therefore like? Why do you think that we the people see them? When you our breakthrough. That's a really good question and again I can only my perspective like ultimately. It's a complete mystery right like who knows who knows in my experiences. I would say that first of all it's important to understand that. Yes in DMC experiences. This is one of the most commonly reported characteristics of D. M. T. is at when you enter these d. m. t. realms or these alternate dimensions. Whatever you WANNA call it almost always you do have this entity encounter experience where these other realms and dimensions of existence seemed to be populated with intelligent beings who we are then like in that experience interacting even communicating with which is a very very strange and bizarre. Experience The Albany. You yeah absolutely absolutely On many many times and one one thing one thing to understand is that like in the same way that Planet Earth has incredible biodiversity. These other these other realms and dimensions like multiply that biodiversity by trillion. And just keep just keep like. There's no way to quantify. Obviously I'm just saying that just to just to paint the picture that this isn't just like one uniform place and one uniform type of being the we're talking about like the multi bers like multidimensional like the Infinite Cosmos and. There's always more. There's always something else. There's always something different and so it's very very difficult to to paint like a comprehensive picture of everything because We yet so so. Let's just say that there's a Diversity indie types of beings that you encounter potentially experience as well as like what they are and what they're I don't know like cosmic place is like if you look at a little like a little inchworm versus a a an aunt versus a human being versus a blue whale Like each of them have kind of a different place in the grand scheme of things right in like a different kind of like. I don't know if you WANNA call it life purpose. 'cause like I don't know doesn't inchworm have alive purpose yes like a natural expression of life for of the miracle the mystery of life for whatever reason for whatever reason life would not be life existence would not be existent without that inchworm in the same is true for you and the same is true for me and every atom in existence in my perspective but yes so so. I mean there are. There are huge range of different kinds of entities. Like in the experience in each one of them has kind of like a different place or a different kind of role especially Different kind of role in respect to you like at the visitor to these realms I mean some of them do feel like spiritual beings like angelic spiritual beings. Some of them seem more like demonic. Spiritual Biggio some of them. Seem more like Extraterrestrial like an extraterrestrial race of creatures or an eventual race of creatures or even even like weird things like like imagine. Imagine imagine the inchworm in that like the high Alternate dimension equivalent of of the top of the pyramid. It's like the the top Predator I don't know I mean maybe like in somewhere in existence. There is a place where the inchworm is at the top. I don't know but I believe in that. I believe in the I believe. In the multi verse. I believe that we're living our life a million times over. And when we have deja Vu with just echoes in the void Because we've already done it a thousand times before I believe in that. Yeah well I mean that's one one thing that deemed very very clear. If there was a there is a clear insight from emt one of the very clear ones is that there is so much more to the mystery of life than what we can immediately. Perceive there is so much more to life than a physical universe this physical universe vast infinite as it is only the tiniest tip of the iceberg beyond what we can perceive beyond the physical universe beyond anything we can even ever begin to dream up or imagine or fathom. This is just a tiny drop in like imagine this entire universe as a grain of sand. That's what it is in the bigger picture of things. There is there there is this. It's infinite the mind of the stars man. Go somewhere where there's no light pollution. Just look up and it's it's I find it. You know I again and I told you. Super intrigued by the Cosmos in space. That you know that were alone out here and so let let's transition into this other thing. How do you feel about ancient civilizations like? Have you heard of the do you know? Are you familiar with him at all? Because I know you post about Ufo's and stuff on your on your YouTube page yet. Are you familiar with? I am yeah I mean. I don't know all that much about them but I do. I do know a little bit And I mean ancient. Ancient history is is is another kind of rabbit hole that I've I've gotten really really fascinating Partially because there are so many like astounding an enigmatic sites all across the world like yet the Great Pyramids obviously the Giza plateau like. There's so much crazy stuff going on the Giza plateau. But all over the world. I mean even like in Peru in South America estimating so so you have these so word so this is this. Is the theory again. Something that I might necessarily believe him. But you're not one hundred percent familiar with the They are an alien species that were sent to Earth and they essentially created mankind. Mankind was made as a slave race. And the reason I bring this up is because we can't ignore the fact that you talked about you know Peru and all these we can ignore the facts number one that most of most religions we can't ignore the fact that it's it's usually the same repetitive thing. Right so there's evidence that there were these figures out history on different parts of the world and again this is all documented You know through through You know it's been etched into stone these different characters. They all had the same similarities. And not only that. But you can't ignore the fact that all these different structures. There's they're almost the same thing. Pyramids the correlation between Pyramids Megalithic structures in India and the structures in South America. There's a striking resemblance and it's like wait that this come from the same people that are re- truly descendants from This alien race. You know another theory. was Jesus Christ and alien and that's the reason they killed him you know that's that's that's out there and and it's GonNa hurt a lot of people to think about it and I'm saying but you know think outside the box. Second boat would religion and culture. You think about that and now dude. You're wrong but turns McKenna even said it. You know a the the Again I'm paraphrasing in this society Sanity as a certain level of any nation so when you have other ideologies and other ideas and thoughts. If it's too crazy for these people it's like I'm GonNa push you what they're gonNa Alienate Union. They're gonNA push away but it's like but why I'm just it's human nature to doubt you know it in the Bible Forgot the name of the Guy He doubted that. Jesus Christ came back and terms began. Talks about this he The story worthy he doubted. Jesus Christ came back because he just saw him cruise. You know he's like hey. Listen Man I'm just Seen Him get crucified. He's dead and so he said I'm not going to believe until can touch the wounds in his hands. Jesus Christ comes up and he says do go ahead and touch and he touched the wounded his hands in this come. This is an analogy to life. You know to doubt into question everything because you know let's say there are higher beings the arcand whatever it is that are in charge of all this that they might just be like. Okay here touched the wounded. They might show you the truth you know and I live life through. I always question everything especially with the media right now We have this war. Well not a war yet but esscalation going on in the Middle East. It's like the media's GonNa push right now do we. Can we verify that they did? You know it just came out last night that they blew up some places that had. Us troops can we verify? I can't verify that so right now. I'm I'm being fed this propaganda that the media in the United States is telling me like listen. These people attacked a US soil over there. And we're going to go to war with them. Guess what I have no control over that. They're GONNA do what they're gonNa do and again you know question everything it's like is what they're telling me really you know the universe question it And and the honor knock is is just so mind blowing to me and I told you that's why I believe in a creator and in a higher being Because man is imperfect you know. A religion is a multi trillion. Dollar industry is just like the cured. Cancer they're not GONNA put that out there because it's a businessman you know it's it's a business that these things they're not gonna get snuffed out because they need it. You know The Big Pharma. That's a multi trillion dollar industry Religion multi trillion dollar industry. They can't they can't take it out they have to indoctrinate. You have to keep you on line to make sure that you're you know you're a robot and once you start and once you step out of line and once you start doing other things. Maybe that's why psychedelics are banned. You know maybe it is. Maybe it's not again what I don't know if you want to chime into our went off on like this crazy. No no I mean. I'm I'm super interested in and all that stuff and one of the things you remember the where remember when we for this is another thing when we first took over Iraq. The first things they did was go to so so. A lot of these places. Like Mesopotamia's Mary all these places. I got to remind you where it's at. It's where all these wars going on. All these oppressed countries. That are war torn. That are that are taken down. That can't come up. You know when they first went into Iraq the they want to go look at Ancient scriptures and and and they stormed all these different places that had You know ancient knowledge. It's like what? Why are you looking for weapons of mass destruction? What are you doing in a museum? You know what are these people have that that they don't want us to know about like the Dead Sea Scrolls? Have you ever heard the ski that you know the NAS sticks and other the knowledge that they had that's like mind blowing and I know you put out a video not too long ago where I don't know why I think I saw you posted? Ufo's But I also heard this other person talk about if we find out. Ufo's are real aliens or real that it'll change. It'll change religion as we know it because there are exit. I believe I believe that. These beings are inter dimensional. You know and that's the reason why you can't see them And I believe that they can just you know from from in a second just disappear yeah by that's that's my My random I mean I I could rant about a lot of that as well There's so much to be said there. Obviously as well as you know as you're kinda mentioning some really fascinating interconnections between Ancient Ten ignored. We can ignore them. If they're they're they're you know and I'm just yeah there's A. There's a lot to be said that I would definitely like to pick back up that that conversation at at some point because yeah there's some really really fascinating connections between the UFO phenomenon and ancient history. The ancient history of the true history of planet Earth The true origins of humanity as a species. We think we think we got the answers. We think we got the history down. We don't know anything now L. Anything like we think. We got all the answers. We think we know human misery. Like there's no secrets left about the history of humanity and planet Earth All know we'll do is. We'll set up another episode. You know sometime in the future Before you go let the people know where they can find your social media your youtube. So that saw they're interested in what you Your work because I believe that people would benefit from it. Where can they find you and You know social media or Youtube or whatever it is. Thanks appreciate that My Youtube Channel is called cosmic consciousness with Jonas J. O. N. A. S. and from there. I mean that's that's probably like you can find my email. My website is on there to my website is Jonas Rosen dot com and You know if you if you head over to my youtube channel you find my email Definitely feel free to reach out I'm always happy to talk about. This stuff goes yeah. Give me fired up. I love talking about this stuff. I appreciate you taking the time to talk with me today and Hopefully in the near future we can do another episode and talk about You know ancient civilizations and stuff like that but I feel that we had a good conversation today and it was It was refreshing. You know and to talk to somebody who's who has firsthand experiences with this type of thing You know I really appreciate it. My pleasure my pleasure. Yeah it's been fun. It's been a pleasure. I enjoyed it as well. Thank you John. Thanks Bro and there you have it ladies and gentlemen. That was Jonas Rosen. Make sure to check out his work on his Youtube Channel COSMIC CONSCIOUSNESS WITH JONAS. Make sure to follow us on social media at the Wawan. Podcast shoot me an email. We want to be on the show. We have anything interesting to talk about the one on. One podcast edgy monarch calm and as always thank you for the support. I appreciate the negative. The positive criticism feedback whatever. Make sure leave us a five. Hopefully a five star review. Wherever you listen to your podcast if you feel otherwise leave it as well I I appreciate it. All doesn't really matter to me but until next time

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Ep 1: Dr. Peter Rosen

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Ep 1: Dr. Peter Rosen

"Welcome to another episode of conversations. This is Adam rush and I wanNA thank you for joining me to kick off the first episode. I thought I'd start with a conversation. I had with Dr Peter Rosen back in two thousand sixteen as some of you may know. Dr Rosen passed away last year. Two thousand a nineteen at the age of eighty four and his professional life and legacy are truly defined by really decades long campaign to legitimise emergency medicine as a discipline and a field of study and vital academic specialty and in these efforts he was largely successful. Since the last twenty years of my life have been defined by emergency medicine. I thought it would be a nice tribute to kick off the conversations. Podcast with Dr Rosen. So this episode was so much more than hearing how Dr Rosen's work was integral in helping to develop the specialty of emergency medicine. We get to see a very human side of Dr Resin and again just so. You're aware the episode will start with the original introduction to the conversation which was recorded on. May Second Two thousand and sixteen. I think you're going to enjoy this so without further ado. Here's my conversation with Dr. Peter. Rosen. I hope everyone is doing great and having a great day now. Today's episode is very special to me. And let me tell you. You're in for a real treat. We're going to be talking with. Dr Peter Rosen. Yes the Peter Rosen. I think most of you who are emergency physicians. Know who Peter Rosen as I mean. Let's face it back in two thousand and four. When I was a resident I carry it around his three volume textbook set everywhere I went. It was my way to exercise and learn at the same time just Kenny but I do appreciate that. Dr Rosen decided to merge his textbook into a two volume set recently. Thank you Dr Rosen for those of you. Who Do not know Dr Rosen. I'm going to read his bio from the UC San Diego Department of Emergency Medicine website. Here goes Dr. Peter. Rosen was originally trained as a general surgeon and practice surgery in the army and in Wyoming until nineteen seventy one when he became the first full time director of emergency medicine at the University of Chicago. While there he started a residency in emergency medicine. He then moved to Denver Colorado where he was chief until nineteen eighty nine when he moved to UC San Diego. Dr Rosen currently divides his year between Boston where he teaches at Beth. Israel deaconess medical center and Tucson where he teaches at the University of Arizona and San Diego where he teaches at UCSD. His interest in emergency medicine has been writing and editing and is still on editorial board of the Journal of Emergency Medicine which he founded in one thousand nine hundred eighty three and is co editor of the Italian Journal of internal and emergency medicine. Dr Rosen's major interests and emergency Madison have been in Trauma Airway Management and resident education. He is edited and written a number of books and papers other interests outside. Medicine have been in tennis or he's determined to learn how to hit a forehand sailing and reading. So now I've listened to many other interviews with Peterson and can honestly say this is one you do not WanNa Miss. We go pretty deep and talk about everything from Dr Rosen's mourning rituals his take on physician burnout how he maintains a healthy marriage. Some parenting advice who he thinks is the most successful person he knows what books have shaped him personally and professionally how to patients had an impact on his career. That he'll never forget them some of his regrets. When are you too old? To be practicing. Emergency medicine his views on podcasts. Open access journals differentiating. Happiness verse fulfilment and the example of happiness. He uses is feeling of having a good bowel movement. Dr Rosen ends with what he thinks. He'll never get to do in life and what he wants to be remembered for and much much more. This is Dr Peter Rosen like. You've never heard him before. So whether you are a medical student resident junior senior level tending physician assistant nurse or someone not even health professions. There is something for everyone in this episode. And let me say one more thing. Give this podcast. A few minutes to get heated up takes a little while really mostly me to get the more intimate parts of the conversation. That's not saying that the beginning is not interesting. It's just that to deeper material begins in the middle of the episode so without further. Ado Let me introduce to you. Dr Peter Rosen. Welcome to the rash. Cast doctor as in. How are you all right? There's new super so it's really great to talking to you again and I was thinking this morning. This is the third time that we've actually spoken. The first time was back in two thousand and three when I was interviewing for a residency position in emergency medicine at Beth Israel deaconess. The second time was in two thousand and eleven. I believe you're at the legends of Emergency Medicine Conference at Detroit Receiving Hospital and gave a talk titled Survival Attitudes in Emergency Medicine. Which had the room rolling in laughter and really they were in awe. They were so impressed with that talk and now this is the third time. So let's dive right in and I want to get started with my first question and has to do with ideals so I'm approaching ten years since I completed residency training at Bellevue Hospital and I really started noticing that I'm grappling daily with maintaining the same ideals I had when I started residency. Now I'm more familiar with the hidden agendas and it feels like. I'm not allowed to do what I set out to do. Emergency medicine which was care for the patient. So how does an emergency physician or really? Any healthcare provider maintain these ideals that I made us want to be emergency physicians. There's no job that doesn't have frustrations. I believe that. The second law of thermodynamics applies to everything in life in that says in any closed system without an ever increasing infusion of energy the system assumes maximum chaos in is no law that says that the infusion of energy as to be spent on anything useful so in order to do the things in medicine that you set out to do that are fulfilling in. That are the purpose of being there. You have to spend a lot of energy fighting off the things. That aren't any fun to do in that seemingly increase every year. I think what this means is that you probably don't get an infinite round in any one place I figure. Ten years is the usual maximum. Then you have to move to another closed system and stole over again. You often talk about losing ideals as emergency physician as you go through your career and so what? I'm wondering is how do you struggle with how you manage maintaining your ideals throughout a long career in emergency medicine when I first started in emergency medicine as a separate field in simply expecting to continue being a surgeon with emergency medicine being my administrative responsibility? But because of the animosity of the Department of Surgery specifically the chair I ended up being moved to the Dean's office and then there was a gradual evolution of the notion that emergency medicine was a separate specialty. I probably have had to learn it by doing it. And I think the ideals were that he would be able to train people to take care of emergency patients so that they would want to be there and we'll do a good job by being there and I think that the slice were mostly because once we demonstrated an interest now us we not as the royal we but those of us who were doing emergency medicine. Once we developed an interest in emergency medicine then all of a sudden everybody wanted it back. It was their turf and we were stealing their baby and sh- their positions and their their monies and they wanted to get rid of us but it was quite clear that after decades of neglect that it had to be done differently in. I think that my first recognition of the field is a separate specialty was was a different way of thinking about patients in a different set of responsibility towards patients in that had to be learned and because it had to be learned than it was a body of knowledge that could be taught so my second goal which kept me. I think fulfilled in emergency. Medicine was the recognition that without a literature. The field wasn't a field right and it was about that time after I had moved to Denver. In nineteen seventy seven started work on textbook in nineteen seventy eight in and I started the journal of Emergency Medicine in one thousand nine hundred eighty three the year. The first edition of the textbook came out and of course we did writing papers and I also felt that our goal should be to published in the New England Journal which didn't want to publish anything related to emergency medicine anyway but should be published somewhere that emergency physicians read because we were writing not for internists but for emergency physicians event that everybody recognised emergency. Medicine was a separate specialty. In many of our enemies said there was nothing unique about emergency medicine which actually was the source of some of my discontent in. I wrote a paper called the biology of emergency medicine. Probably best paper over road because the dean at the institution cargo told me that when he had his heart attack he wanted cardiologists to take care of him not an emergency physician and I asked him how he knew he was having arts and he looked puzzled and I said we can't have what he seven different specialists sitting there waiting for patient. Who knows what's wrong with themselves to come in and ask for one of them. Someone has to screen the field. Which means deciding who's the sickest who has what problem that needs intervention and also. It's a different process. Our responsibility is not necessarily a diagnosis so much as a recognition that we have an unstable patient who needs to be resuscitate and stabilize. Well he didn't understand but that's okay because I think those of us who practice emergency medicine did from that article the biology of mercy medicine. And I'M GONNA. I'll post the link to that article. One of my favorite quotes from that article. Came from you and you said and this is back in nineteen seventy nine. The emergency physician must be as good as the cardiologists in running an arrest. However after several recent experiences watching cardiologists in charge of arrest I say they must become as good as the emergency physician. So that's something. I think that rings very true today. What has happened emergency medicine that you would have never predicted happening. Twenty thirty years ago that we now are faced with today will leave a foresaw the development of the introduction of answer Larry Personnel Practicing Emergency Medicine. I think guard biggest threat to the field is the introduction of PA's nurse. Practitioner is not because I have anything against them but because of the greed of the emergency physician they've been asked to replace emergency physicians so the one could charge an emergency physician fee for their work but pay them a PA or nurse. Practitioners Mallory which I think is not only immoral but probably illegal and I don't think it's A. PA can practice emergency medicine. Why did we bother going to medical school taking residencies and working as hard as we work to describe in developed the field? I have no problem with using physician extenders for minor problems that. I don't think it should be the physician. Extender that defines the minor problem. I think it should be a physician and I am very worried that once government realizes that they can get away with putting a PA in place of position than they will stop supporting physicians to do. The job needs to be done claiming that it's an equal success in that. They're practicing safe and good emergency medicine. But they're not so the P. A. and Nurse Practitioner. Specialties are growing faster today than ever before Lee are and I think. The original motivation for them was in institutions like Launch County Hospitals. Where they didn't have the money to support the number of physicians that they needed for their workloads in so they had to do something As I said I'm not opposed to the use of those personnel if it's done correctly when I'm opposed to having them work side by side with the emergency physician in his. I've seen in some community. Emergency departments the. Pa's doing all the work while the emergency physicians in the back room and play solitaire on the computer. Think that there are cases that they should not see primarily and I think that there needs to be a direct communication between the PA and the physician on duty. Because you can't expect someone to recognize problems that they weren't trained to recognize I. I'll give you an example. I saw case where a guy was hammering. Something on is recreational vehicle and felt something fly into his eye and he went into an emergency department where he was seen by a PA who didn't know about the possibility of foreign body and thought to Guyana. Minor corneal abrasion treated miss such and sent him out missing the foreign body in the eye that ended up causing an intraocular abscess in the loss of vision in that I think most emergency physicians would have immediately obtained either an ultrasound or an x-ray of the eye looking for the foreign body. So I think that you can't ask people to do what they're not educated to do. And if we don't need the education of Residency Training Medical School then I've wasted my entire life. What is the greatest mistake? We're making an emergency medicine. Would you say it's physician extenders or some other straight threat to merge medicine but I think the biggest mistake is too much fragmentation into super specialized emergency departments. I it was pediatrics. Now it's geriatrics than it was trauma in. We forget that somebody has to be capable of doing broad-based emergency medicine. I think a lot of our present graduates are to it's critical care in. That's good but they're finding that it's virtually impossible to combine could care and emergency medicine in the more critical care. The do the less emergency medicine. They want to do or they're capable of doing so. I think we need to preserve the specialty of emergency medicine. So it's interesting right so you train as a general surgeon. I believe your father was a general internist. He was a GP search. That's right and so you know. Both of those specialties. Internal Medicine. General surgery they. They went the way of becoming highly specialized right now. We struggle with finding genderless and given that emergency. Medicine is such a well. It's not so young anymore. But it's kind of DC it following that same pathways. What you just described right. We we trained we initiated. We began as this general. Feel and now. We're seeing this sub specialization goodson equitable but I think we have to guard against it. Being the complete definition of emergency medicine. The Way Ed's become in surgery when I did surgery. General surgeons did a lot of different kinds of surgery. We did vascular we did. Chaz tweet did gyn. We did most Beatrix today. The general surgeon has got very many surgical problems left to do. They've all been taken off by the sub specialists. But I I think that There may be a pendulum. Swing back from that in the future. Simply because economically there isn't enough to support a surgeon if he's only GonNa do Abbey's Gallbladders Hernias. There's not enough Economically to support a trauma surgeon when so few cases are actually operated on so they end up becoming general surgeons again. It's interesting that the field has evolved way in Europe where they have a trauma surgeon news. Talk off the Peterson. Port General Surgeon. They do all the acute fracture work as well as the remaining trauma work. And that's worked very well in Austria and in Germany where they have trauma obstacles. But I don't see that happening in. This country didn't go that way. Alo- was an interesting idea. So on the flip side what do you think are some of the greatest growth areas in emergency medicine when we're taking over more more of the immediate care of the patient and I won't say acute care? But just the immediate care. I never thought I'd see the day when emergency department did post op care for same day surgery but that's what's happening because the surgeon isn't available and obviously the emergency department is still the only place you can get into the medical delivery system in any kind of expeditious fashion at a personal experience with this couple of years ago. I had a bout of pneumonia. I called my internist. Who's a very good internist in who I respected a great deal in basically wanted some antibiotics and Some advice and I got a message saying that might call was important in would be returned within forty eight hours. I turned to my son when who didn't think I was a very good day station instead the hell with it. We're going to the department and sure enough an hour later. I was admitted to the hospital so I think that. That's true of everybody no matter what their funding the matter. What kind of primary care physician has you can't get into the system in any fashion? That's quick other than by going to the emergency department and I don't see that changing so that means we do all of the immediate care. We make the decisions about who needs to or doesn't need to come in. That's another interesting change when I first started working. Union emergency medicine. I spent the bulk of my time trying to convince internist patients needed to be admitted and now I spend the bulk of my time trying to convince internists that their patients don't need to be admitted because it's late in the afternoon just hang them down to the emergency department to be admitted to the hospital is because they want to go home but those patients can be managed as outpatients so we still serve as gatekeepers. We still are the safety net for the Medical Delivery System. And we still have an important task of recognizing those problems need acute stabilization and then worrying about diagnosis thereafter. That's led to one of the other Problems in emergency medicine. I was telling the residents here in Tucson that the most difficult crime in emergency medicine today is the acute ischemic. Garner's in U. S. T. Elevations easy recognizable. And it goes to the Cath. Lab shooter. Scheme at Garner Syndrome is easy is the patients having persistent pain. But if the patient's pain has stopped then it's difficult because we don't have the evidence to know what to do for that patient and Al Fast do it in. Its institutional dependent in Boston. We put those patients in the object in a stress test the next morning and then have them followed by cardiology but in many places around the country. They're sent home. Follow up with cardiology in. Who knows how long it takes them to get an appointment in? Who knows how long it takes them to get a provocative test or how safe it is to wait for one so? I think that we're GONNA end up answering those questions in emergency medicine the way we've done in Boston. We're going to take it over and say it's not safe to wait. We're GONNA do it before we send the patient home and the reason we do that is twofold one. It's safer in to it. Psychologically better for the patient they don't WanNa come in and be told you have a very serious disease go home. The cardiologists will take care of it at some unknown time. WanNa know what to do for that very serious disease and what's going to happen next and I think that's up to us to help provide that information knowing what you know now. What advice would you give to your twenty year old self or your thirty year old self when you were just starting off in medicine? Well I wouldn't go into general surgery I would go into emergency medicine. And the reason is the emergency physician is what I dreamed. A physician was someone who knew what to do when somebody had an acute need for doctor and I think that I still believe that that to good thing to do in medicine. I don't think everybody has to do it when I think if he were personality. Leads you towards wanting to answer that kind of question than emergency medicine is the place to do it? I certainly believe in measurements. He training and I still dream that someday in our country no patient will go into an emergency department and be cared for by anybody other than a trained emergency physician. I don't think that will happen in my lifetime but I think we're closer to it than we were when I started in the field and I still think it's a good goal to strive for. So I noted your certification expires in twenty eighteen. Are you planning to recertify? No because I don't practice right Lee anymore. Yeah it's funny. I just got back from Victoria. British Columbia were. I gave a little talk on aging in emergency medicine. May and I think the critical question about aging is. When do you let go? Wendy you stop practicing and there's no easy answer to that question. I think the safest dancers to have a mandatory retirement age and then break the rule when you have. Someone doesn't need to retire at eight but I also believe that there comes a time when you have to be intellectually honest and say. I can't do it anymore. And that time came for me several years ago. I've had some CARDIAC DISEASE GET UNPREDICTABLE. Angelina in have this theory that the doctor should be sicker than in the patient to a good one. I don't like the engine on. I'm seeing a patient. I don't think it's fair to the patient so I think it comes a time when even though it's still fun to practice and I still dream about it. I had to admit that I was no longer comfortable in practice. I didn't feel safe and it's not because I didn't know emergency medicine snap because I didn't have experience in doing. It is because physically. I couldn't do it anymore and I think it was The only honest thing to do so most things in emergency medicine have gotten easier for me. Recognizing disease patterns dealing with patients teaching. One thing that I find. That's gotten more difficult though. Is Death telling rate is having that conversation with the family what experiences what advice anything you have over the years that you've been able to grapple with that in a better way? We'll I actually did a a focused interest in that in the first edition. Textbook Co authored. The chapter on in Grief Counseling. I think you have to learn how to do it just as you learn how to do. Other things in emergency medicine. It's uncomfortable. Because for the emergency physician. Death is our failure. We believe we can prevent untimely death but of course that's a relative truth and so we have to learn how to take care of the survivors could give an hour lecture on it but let me just quickly say him. The first step is the recognition that a cute grief is sort of. Like being kicked in the testicles. It stops your whole world all you can focus on. Is your loss and you have to allow people to get through that when I call grief spike in any you have to help them turn their grief from potential disease into a natural process. Some people want to eat. Some people. Don't want to eat. I think the practice of sedating everybody has an acute. Grief is not only a bad practice. But it silly you need to face the issue. Not Hide from it and One of the tips that I have found works. The best is to remind people that there's nothing wrong with remembering the good relationships that they had and forgetting about the fights. In one of the reasons for the grief spike is that we all feel guilty about things we never got around to doing with the dead person in. I think that we should remember. The death robs us of a future but not of fast. And there's nothing wrong with sitting in our living room thinking about conversations that we've had a still have mental conversations with friends that I've lost because I can hear their voices in my head and that's helped me with my own grief and I think it helps other people with their thank you so when is the last time you changed your mind on an important issue in. What was the issue? Well I change my practice all the time when I find new evidence upon which to change it I used to think that on the Monja had to be admitted and And then I discovered that in fact unless the patient is unstable. There is no reason not to care them at home. I suspect there's a lot of diseases which we were very rigid about approaching p. e. may be one that Canadians have showed us that. Ps Don't only to be admitted and It's probably safe to manage. Dvd and P patients who are stable at home. So I I think that there are many areas such as that upon which I've changed my mind and I'm willing to change my mind if you can show me a safe alternative to what we were doing is a standard what I am. Unwilling to do is to change my mind when the changes changes say and they're asking me to change to something that doesn't make any sense like not operating on appendicitis and decide. This is not an infection it's an obstructive disease and the reason that you can get away with not operating wanted some of the time is because the untreated mortality of appendicitis is only thirty percent before they were ever doing surgery on it. Well if seven Atta ten patients relieved their own obstruction. Get better than of course. It looks like you don't need job rate going but it's that other thirty percent that do go on to need surgery. Who often have complications of that disease process and who ended up dying when they don't need to and I think we've solved the problem of the vendors Sintus with a very simple operation. Why should we stop doing it? Those are the kinds of changes that drive me absolutely crazy in medicine and I think the motivation is monetary and. It's very silly way to try to save money because you end up spending a lot or when the patient fails as an outpatient and it's unfair to the patient the classic example is Rafa. Nadal didn't operate on him so he could quote finish his tournament. He didn't finish it because he ruptured his appendix. So then he ends up having to have two surgeries. He has a year of trying to recover from intransparent. Neil abscess in it nearly ruined his career and they just said okay. This tournament is over four. You could have had a lap. Appendectomy been out of hospital twelve hours and then back to is trump athletic form in probably a couple of weeks. So I think that it's very silly idea. Gotcha so one change. That's happening in. Education is the move from the traditional textbook to more of online open access education. Now at imagine you have an opinion about this. Well I do. There are several things in your question that make it several separate issues. The first is open access journals. I really am very opposed to that. And the reason is not because it actually provides greater access to medical information. Because I don't think it does but what it does do is it takes the cost of publication away from the publisher and puts it on the back of the author. Now that maybe fair but it is unfairly putting it on the back of junior officers because the open access journals allow the senior authors to pay that access fee with their research grants but the young losses don't have any and therefore this lowest paid faculty. The young faculty have the highest cost to publishing the work. That will get them. Research grants in get them higher salaries so I think it's very unfair secondly I don't have any problem with publishing journals electronically I think every Every major journal does do that. And I think they're a portions of the Journal. Litter better published electrically then on paper such as case reports because they'll `lustration can be done in color which are prohibitively expensive on paper. But I still think. There is a need for paper publications in textbooks the search engines. Just aren't that good and I think there needs to be a place where you can sit down and read a complete discussion of topic along with footnotes long with the ability to switch to other chapters quickly. Which is not `electronic reading. So I think there's a place for both and I think that interest me as I talk to people who are now editing Rosen. They still get a lot of requests for a paper textbook but what people want in attacks will is something that the bod cats are giving them in. I have a little concerned about that. So tell me about that. They want the textbook to be directive in. I have no problem with that. Where there's controversy in? There's not enough evidence to Callie what to do. And take a position and say on the basis of what our current experiences. We can't prove that this is the best method and we're willing to change you when there is evidence but in the meantime this is our approach to problem. The problem I have with podcast. Is that many of the residents would rather listen to Abbad cast than reader journal Autre Goater textbook and what they're getting is medical expert opinion rather than medical evidence in. I don't have any problem with a- as I said a place where the evidence is not there but I see a lot of the podcast taking positions that are not safe. Because that's the position of the podcast maker. I've contributed to podcast and I don't have any problem telling people what my style is. And why choose my style? But it's not a substitute for reading. What evidence is out there and making up your own mind. So how do you think Can you predict or which are opinion on the impact that the Internet podcasts blogs snippets of learning is going to have from our you know our residents now medical students For when they're practicing or is it going to have any? I think they're going to discover the at some point. They're going to have to do the work. You can't take Rosen and put it on your pillow in learning to read it. You can't take medicine and learned through someone else's opinion you're GonNa have to study it. You'RE GONNA have to compare your experience to what the literature says. You're going to have to discover that the populations that are studied in research. Projects are not necessarily the population that you treat your practice and therefore you're going to have to modify your practice so you're gonNA have to grow up and be immature physician just as we all did. Our education didn't finish when we completed our residency but it gave us a structure from which we could improvise. It gave us a means of starting. It gave us a methodology for being safe in our evaluations patients and taught us what were the responsibilities of our job. Which are not necessarily to make a diagnosis and we need to remember that when a patient comes to the emergency department in WanNa find out if he's dying is only five ways. You die in this. A billion ways that set you on the pathway to death. You don't really care how you got on the pathway. Do Care that patients on that pathway. And can you do something to get him off that pathway and back on the road to health and then and only then you start worrying about diagnosis. And I think when we focus too much on diagnosis we turn into internists and do a bad job of emergency medicine. I'm interested to hear if you could recall if you're if you have this. The five ways that the human body dies read. You lack oxygen for one or more reasons. Your heart can't beat you or your heart is nothing with which to beat. And there's metabolic failure or the brain doesn't work the IRV assistant so which they'll systems is under threat. Sometimes it's more than one. Obviously one will lead to many. There is in my mind very curious phenomenon that happens. Is You die? There has to be a messenger of death within. Ati something tells the cell that it's time to destroy itself what we now call up doses. What is that something we still don't know? But why is it that some people die and others live with injuries or diseases? That would seem lethal. I've never been able to answer that question and I think it's the things that makes -mergency medicine continue to be exciting in a puzzle in that is why we can save some patients but not others joke that there are three kinds of patients. There are those that are Dr Proof. No matter what we do to get world. There are those who are Dr Insensitive matter what we do for them. They'RE GONNA die. And then there are those who are Dr Sensitive in if we don't do what they need and do it quickly they're gonNA turn into group two and we're going to get blamed for group too so we might as well take credit one. So what what's the greatest impact? A patient has had on you. Well I've had many throughout my career. I would say the two patients I remember the most one was A. What do you two year? Old Man came in complaining of shoulder pain and it had an acute onset of it as the awakened them wanting examined. Emmy Atta clear rotator CUFF TEAR. I X rayed. Him couldn't find anything was about to sling him and send him to also for follow up. When I finally asked the right question which was has a forty two year old man get a rotator cuff chair in his sleep and I went and said. Did you bite your cheek last night? And he said Yes added you know I said. Did you wet your bed last night. And he looked terrified. Because he wasn't gonNa tell me that lived alone and he was very ashamed of it. I ordered at C. T. In he had an Ngoma data seizure of course and that that case has stayed with me for many years because is the classic definition of emergency medicine in. Why diagnosis isn't enough. You have to understand that part of your job is. Why did the patient develop this disease? Today what's different about the patient? And that's what I have to intervene. In the second case was a young boy was fifteen years old. Who was riding with his father in a car that was struck by a a drunk driver and I had to take care this boy at a time when my youngest son was exactly his age in this kid looked like a clone of my son and it was emotionally very difficult for me to take care of this boy. 'cause it was like taking care of my own boy and I of course I had to do things to him. They were painful and unpleasant. He did have a positive perennial aversion. Which is what we were doing at that time and He went off to the Orne did quite well but I remember when my wife pick me up after my shift I burst into tears because it was so hard to take care of Maya somebody who was like my own son and I think that's a made me realize that there are emotional impact on us in emergency medicine. It were often not aware of and yet we have to continue to perform despite those emotional interns the one area that I think we have to remember and improve upon emergency. Medicine is making people feel better. Week focused on the critical patient. Those are easy. You plunge youtube done every orifice in. Yeah admit them somewhere. But it's the patient who's going to go home. That's the difficult patients. We have figured out that it's safe for them to go. We have figured out what their acute problem is. And now we have to tell them how we are going to make them feel better how we're going to leave them clad that they had access. Dr Glad that they came to the emergency department. And we're very bad at that. Were very good at Tony. I'm you know it's not your gallbladder you know you don't have a p. e. You don't have cancer well. Patient didn't think he did in the first place. You know what he had. That's where it came in emergency department. Well what do I have And how do I get over it? That's what they need to hear from us and we need to spend a little more time doing that and thinking about that as part of emergency medicine. What is the you know in your experiences? What's been the greatest reward for interacting with patients for treating patients for you personal reward? Lewis term said that a good doctor as the gift of affection. I can't put it any better than that. I love taking care of patients always from the time I can remember as a little boy wanted to know what to do to make people feel better when they had an acute need to feel better in. I think it's that satisfaction the recognition that now. I know the answer to a lot of those questions. Not all because you never can. I love those questions and in fact I can do the very thing that I find. Fulfilling which is to take someone who's anxious and worried and feeling bad and help them to feel better. That's what doctors all about. And that's what I wanted to be in. That's why became. Are there any lessons that you learned from your father that you still think about one or two or three lessons? Well he was really good at making people feel better and I remember. I was spending a summer in his office when I was a medical student. He had this machine that made a lot of noise. And it's sprayed and it sucked and he used to spray sore throats from some really nice tasting stuff and I being the smart asked. Medical Students said I read a paper that said it doesn't help sore throats to spray 'em topically any looked at me and he says you know that. I know that but the patient feels better and if the patient feels better then he pays my bill and I pay your tuition which he didn't do by the way but that was the lesson that has always stuck with me and he was really good at that and it's not that he was being dishonest is that he was really concerned. The patients would feel better when they left his office in was he had a consultation room every patient no matter how trivial the problem had to sit with him in that room before he went home to answer any questions to get the instructions into leave. Feeling that this doctor had really taken the time to put some personal interest into him and you can do that in the emergency department without a consultation room. You just have to make you do any other lessons that you can think of. I think intellectual honesty is no substitute for recognizing what you don't know it's okay to share that with patience. I don't know your diagnosis and can't know it because this isn't the place to find out I do know would happening today and I do know what we're doing to make you feel better but there are many things that can't do here in the emergency department and I'm going to share some of them with you. I think that the intellectual honesty to say I need help in. I try to do everything by myself. I think the intellectual honesty to say time for me to stop practicing. I'm for me to cut back from my practice because physically I've aged. I can't do it anymore. The honesty to say I'm sick today in. I have to do something that isn't part of my culture which is to get a substitute for myself. 'cause I'm really not in the right condition to take care of patients and the honesty recognized that I have to prepare myself to go to work then. I can't go to work tired. I can't go to work with too little sleep. I can't go to work after. Having a major quarrel with my spouse and do a good job the I asked to take care of the practice as well as much else so see if you can answer this one. What is something about you that most people don't know? I don't know how to answer that question. I would guess they probably don't know how much I read. Science fiction nonfiction. Everything but I read a lot of science. The proudly read between six and ten papers a day in large measure because it's part of my editing responsibilities but in large measure. It's because it's the only way I feel comfortable that I know what I need to know in medicine. I like to read non medicine because it gives me a picture of my culture at what people think about their society which changes over time. It gives me a chance to find out about different generations of people in my society. And what are their concerns? And what are their fantasies and finally it gives me pleasure. I have always been an avid reader and even medical school. I probably read a novel every two or three days probably should have been reading a little more medicine put. It was too boring. So can you give us one? Two three of the most influential books that you've read. Maybe that have influenced. Let's say maybe you know something that's influence your personal life. Something that's influenced your professional life. Well the novel that I liked the best was the red and the black by Stendhal in. I wish I'd read at when I was fifteen because it's sort of a young man growing up in how the world looks inside of his mind in how he drives himself to do what he thinks he ought to be doing as opposed to what he really wants to be doing in that he is quite old before each discovers. That's really what makes a man not to do what everybody thinks makes a man but to do what you ought to be doing as man not what you ought to be doing because what the people around you say my and? I think that the Stendhal did that in such an interesting fashion. 'cause he wrote the novel through the eyes of his characters and there is a story line. Zits what's happening to the characters and then there's a story line in the minds of the characters that's totally different their vision of what's going on in that external storyline it's brilliant. I don't know any other book. That does that and he does it better than I would have. Thought it was possible to do so. That's one of my favorite novels and anybody who wants a good reach. You drill down. I will put that with the show notes. We'll put the title and a and a link to it on Amazon. The medical book did had a profound effect on me was close. Awesome buggy doctor. I read that as good and it was a story of a GP in how he got to be competent in medicine he went to Austria to study. Kristaps with doctors. Did in those days what I got out of that would was not so much. How you got to be a doctor. Would he did Dr? But there's one chapter where he taught himself to tonsillectomies like practicing on cadavers. In that stood out my mind you teach yourself how to be competent in. I remember doing the same thing when I was a surgical resident wasn't tonsilectomy. He's but we had a month on pathology where I did a one time fees and I was less interested in the autopsy than I was in practicing the operation that I was going to be doing on people in it again. It was a very important book for me because it's sort of was my first glimpse of the real world of medicine as opposed to the fantasy world that I read some of the other novels about physician lights Frank Slaughter novels. I think Lewis. Thomas is booked the youngest science and if they go on to because He he talked about what a doctor is. And not very many people do that. And I love that aphorism. A good doctor has the gift of affection. Couldn't say it any better. He wrote the lives of cells. Also I think was at him. Yeah and Did he rate the snail the Medusa subject that I think it I think he did it? He was No that was gould. The biologist Ilian Tala just at Harvard so what are you. Are you reading anything now? Anything on your nightstand Anything recently that you've read when I read about ten books as a lot of books went nice thing. Have you always done that? Have you read multiple books at a time or my granddaughter? Put me onto a book a new cult novel. What's it called an infinite jest okay? It's about a kid is going to school and a tennis camp and I guess. The author was ranked junior tennis player. Only he later became a professor of literature and writing. I think it's a cult novel because he ended up committing suicide. The novel is sort of inquired about that character in part about characters who are addicted to alcohol and drugs and you're depressed. It's sort of like a combination of Tom. Robbins Neil Stevenson and O'toole the guy who wrote other cult novel called the conspiracy of Dunces committed suicide. I can't say that I like or dislike the novel. It's extraordinarily long zillion footnotes and I'm only about half way through it but it is well written a little. I think it could have withstood savage editing. It doesn't need that long many of the footnotes. I just started repetitions of the rant. Footnote is based on but it does give you a picture of what people are feeling inside themselves as they experience various things in their lives in having spent a lot of my life. Taking care of alcoholics and drug addicts and depressed people. I find it very accurate so I think it's an interesting book. I'm like to read history and I just read a series of kind of trilogy about Cicero in their historical novels of Ancient Rome. Which I think we're pretty accurate from what I've learned about that time right. Gee what else reading? I like to read no brainers to put out a lot of brain energy. Spy NOVELS MYSTERY NOVELS. Have you thought about writing other than a text book? Have you ever thought about writing a nonfiction book or fiction book? Well I have but I I chose not to earlier because I have a son who's a writer and I don't compete with the professional careers of my sons. I learned that when I my oldest son who was in law school and we were talking about constitutional law which I voted for interested in. I was discussing it with them. 'cause I've met a couple of books and my wife said why don't you go to law school? And he got very angry Why does he need to do that? He has a profession. I realized he wanted to be the lawyer in this family and I quickly said why do I wanna go to law school? I'm a doctor and I realized that it's hard on your children when you compete with them places where they're trying to be individuals and I realized that I'm probably not the easiest person to be a son of right so no I haven't wanted to right now. I'm old enough to the point where I'm not sure I want to undertake the work of writing. Yeah and I still like writing on medicine like writing it. Royals still write papers now. And then and I still do a lot of editing so it takes care of my literary edge to you ever gift books to people do love and if so what are maybe the top one two or three books that you have gifted over your life well. I don't do the same books. Give Topically to people on a subject that we've been either arguing about or discussing or that. I'm currently interested in. I give books to people. I've enjoyed that. I hope they will enjoy. I give gifts. I give books to people on topics they've asked me about. I know some book will meet their need so I can't say I've given the same book that often. Do you have one that comes to mind one or two? That is Kinda your Go-to well when people ask for a good read I read in the black. I'm going to pick that up when you think of successful person who comes to mind. I define success is being fulfilled. Not Being happy all right I think happiness physiologic having a good bowel movement. Really control but I think fulfillment comes from something that you had to do in order to make it work and my nephew. Rich Wolf is a successful man. And I'm very impressed with the way he runs his department and with what he's done in his life you know. I have a circle of academic companions and friends. And I'm very impressed with how smart they are in how well put together. They are guys like Dave Brown Mass General Sam. Climb here in Arizona and Chan in San Diego and I've had the the pleasure of working with some of them as residents the pleasure of knowing some of them for years and sharing my vision of the world through my special kind of academic needs with them. But all of them have one thing in common and that is a are intellectually honest and they work hard enough to have accomplishments that fulfills them in. I think that's my definition success. Do still set goals. Did you set goals for yourself as a early junior physician as a mid career physician? Globally I did you know I set out to be a doctor. That was a goal. That didn't come easily. I didn't get into medical school the first year I applied right but I managed to succeed in by saying that that was probably the goal that was most important to me and I not become a physician. I would've considered myself a failure which since I did. I don't know for sure maybe I would have grown up. I HAVE A C set goals training as a surgeon. I didn't know I was changing specialties when I moved to Chicago but ice set my goal to solve the problems of the emergency department and I think those are the kinds of goals. That have said I'm solving into I think that at some point. My life liberalized the they were things. I wasn't going to get around to in that. It's okay for that. I probably was kind of driven person but and I don't know what changed. I don't know why stopped feeling that. Maybe it was the recognition that I was older and that there were things that I just couldn't do in therefore news time to stop worry. Could you tell us some of those things that you think that you may never get to do well? Some of them are travel. Always wanted to go to China. Never GonNa do that. I always wanted to do some basic science research but I never got around to it and that may well be because talent for him and I was fooling myself. I always wanted to study more mathematics. I did for a while as a hobby. But Again. I never got around to making a formal study of it. Is there anything that people don't ask you that you wish they did? Oh I think that what I wish for people that they would stop me. They have an image of what I must be. Because that's what they think I am in. I'm probably nowhere near what they were thinking. So I suppose the answer to your question is I wish they would accept me as a simple person as opposed to an important person which are not one of the medical students who was interviewing for residency. Asked me what I wanted to be remembered for and was quite shocked when I said my sense of humor really meant to right. Yeah some people don't know and I think people are often surprised by my team. Yeah do you believe people have a specific calling? I think people have certain talents. And if they're lucky they find a way to express talents. I was unusual. None of the members of my family ever felt but I grew up knowing I wanted to be a doctor in. That was very helpful to me. I don't know that helps other people to grow up thinking that they wanna be an accident and becoming that Alo- It's interesting. How many of sons of people in certain fields take on those fields and I think that we are products of our early. It's socializations in trainees but I don't know that there are such things. As natural doctors. Natural Lawyers Natural Turns. I do believe that people have different talents in medicine. Not Everybody's capable of being an emergency physician. I think it requires. Somebody is not afraid to make decisions and WHO's not afraid to act? There are physicians who need more time to make a decision. Need more information. Who Don't mind steering a truck but are afraid to get it moving. And they don't belong in emergency medicine. I do believe that there are physicians. Who are not very good with people and they probably don't belong in emergency medicine either so I think we have to find out where our talents light in. Try to utilize them profitably in a interfered the coals for their use in both your personal and professional life. What are you is? There's one thing to things that you're most proud of. You've you've expressed the lot healing patients. I'm your sense of humor. What are you most proud of both professionally? And personally of the the people that I've developed and that's both professional inversion. I'm of course proud of my efforts to produce literature. But I think I'm most proud of my a graduates in my personal life. I'm most proud of the fact that I will have been married for fifty seven years this in in that. I still find my wife to be my best friend in someone who I can make laugh and someone who. I'm very happy to be around who I'm friends with and when need to see every day happy that I didn't make enemies out of my children the way my father did. I am happy to have a chance to see. My grandchildren grow and develop wealth. For example. My oldest grandson is in college and he'd often sends me his paper's dead. Get A god of. He's actually good writer. That's great so some people may say one of the greatest achievements is being married for fifty seven years. I'm at ten years and have struggled at times and have to work much harder at maintaining a strong relationship than I ever thought but in the end the investment and certainly well worth it. How were you able to maintain a marriage for almost fifty seven years? Had You keep it going? How do you maintain that? What advice would you have? What's rather similar to a used to sustain yourself professionally number one. You hit the nail on the head. It's something you cannot take for granted I am. I get it number two. You'll have to invest the energy to keep it from becoming chaotic in by that. I mean I looked back on my early years of marriage and I was selfish. Brick average worried about being a competent physician. Have time for my wife and children and I think that that's one of the things I regret the most because I realized that there were ways to do both in that I would have been better in what I most wanted to be like taking time for my wife and children. How do you do that? One way is with manners. I couldn't be bothered to call home that I was going to be late because something had come up because my wife knew I was doing something important tonight. It didn't have to but I discovered over time the taking a minute to make a phone call made an enormous difference to her. It's not that she wasn't willing to let me do the things they needed to do. But then she could go on with her life knowing where I was instead of waiting around when you're in a what was happening. I think that it took me about twenty five years to learn how to apologize when I didn't feel I was wrong and I would suggest that is an important tactic for two reasons. It stops the vicious cycle of anger. You did something to me. I'm not gonNA Apologize. You need to apologize to me so I'm GonNa do something that in my anger that will get even instead of witch. If you apologize. No you're not wrong. It opens the conversation on a level of what is it that bothered you and I can tell you what it is. That bothers me in every time. I've done it within forty eight hours. My wife has in fact told me that she too wanted to apologize right. So it really is a way of smoothing over something that could become a source of pain between you and you don't need that number three. You gotTa tell people that you care. You can't take them for granted. You gotTa Tell Your Children Crepe kids you gotTa tell them why you're mad you gotta tell him why you're proud of them in similarly with a wife yet jelly you love her. It's not enough to do it. It has to be expressed in. There's nothing wrong with doing it. With a surprise now in you know give her a in orchid or saying. We're going out to dinner tonight because you've been working too hard. It's the little things that make her realize that you really do have deep feelings for her and it helps you to preserve the relationship that has to be more than sexual incident. A friendship between you. You can't share life together. Yeah that's something that probably took five years in my marriage to really grasp you know we ended up taking for granted the people who are closest to us and who we supposedly love the most And I think going into medicine where the demands of both time and energy and focus are so great that it was about five to seven years into that where I recognize that and was able to make that change also yes I think it's very important in also to realize that things aren't that critical that you don't have to finish that paper today. I was particularly bad that I always was rushed to do more things for my career at your career will flourish if you publish that paper tomorrow as opposed to today now. I don't mean to put it off to next year but I mean take. The NEIDL often go out to dinner. You're not gonNA destroy your career in your going to help your marriage and I think that you're going out yourself too because you're gonna get something back from that friendship that you desperately need and I think that You have to understand that you grow together. The different things happen over time in. You have to make sure that they are happening simultaneously. Just because you've been married twenty years doesn't mean that you can't grow apart from your wife and and then one day discovered that you're unhappy with being in that situation. I think you have to guard against The kind of selfish curiosity that most men possessed. Yeah I'm entitled to something new and different. Well no you're not and and you don't really need it anyway but we think we do in. I think that part of that keep. Your wife is something you really care about. That's what's fresh new in. She were in a different light decor to a new place. Discover things together on a trip somewhere that that's your private property that little restaurants that you feel in in you. Don't keep working at it. I assure you your marriage will crumble on sale now now do you have any favorite quotations or anything that you keep in the back of your mind or you look at it or you read over and over again that you could recite now or do you have to reference something. I don't use quotes in that respect. My fleets are casting. I love Winston Churchill for example and is quick wit is something. I have a great envy for. I I I think. One of my favorite Was Richard Burton was having a fight with some girl that you are as Scoundrel and will die of syphilis or by being on and Burton said probably true depending on whether I embrace your wife or your more. That's what we're saving a more meaningful quotes a find a hard to be apt in more than single situation you know. I probably smelled them from time to time from the things. I've read which is when it comes to stupidity. Even the gods weep mostly my vocation or either stolen from people that I like the sarcasm of or the humor of Gotcha. I know era coming to an end soon. I know you have some meetings shortly. I wanted to ask you in your early in your training throughout your career. Did you ever have any morning rituals? Did you ever have a specific time? You'd wake up in the morning things you do before you get to work or anything like that. Well not really because I hate getting up in the morning. Yeah of course as an emergency physician spent most of my life doing so. My morning ritual was unable to do. I wake up and I think probably the closest I come to a ritual. Shaving with with Russian eraser has it takes a little time in a kind of gets me a chance to wake up a little bit. When would you do most of your writing? I'm a late night person. I do my writing mostly in the evening at night so before we wrap up you know. We have a lot of great pearls in the conversation and I'm not sure we really need anything else. Is there anything that you would leave this conversation with to tell maybe a medical student today? A resident junior faculty member that you wish someone would have told you. Yeah I that you have to work in preserving your ideals in your profession just as you work it for serving your love for your wife. I've never met a medical student candidate or resident candidate who didn't have ideals who didn't lose them through medical school or five years later and I think part of that. Is Pseudo sophistication. Part of that is because it didn't try to keep them wide. You become a doctor. Why did you become an emergency physician? What did you expect to get back from it? And I believe that those of us who think we can be perfectly altruistic are naive even better dedicated Christian selfishly. Did you expect to get back from being an emergency physician right? And why are you no longer getting? Are you taking care of the wrong kinds of patients because there are different practices in emergency medicine? Are you in the wrong group? You don't like your partners in their attitudes towards money or medical care. Are you in the wrong kind of practice? Because you really don't like academics. You don't want the pressure of producing academic product. No need to go practice in the community. Do something different and I think you have to ask. What is that? You'll fill you why it's no longer fulfilling you in what you have to do differently. In order to get that back. It may mean a change of specialty. It may mean a change of city or it may mean a change of kind of practice. You do. It will certainly mean loss of money. Because you can't make change with a cohost but only you can make that change and you've got to do it because the second law of thermodynamics in when you can no longer come up with an energy necessary to preserve the order of your system than it's time to move to a different closest and. I think you've just got to accept that but you gotta work at it and I think the people who hate what they're doing but won't change. It are the ones who claim that burned out and just feeling sorry for themselves. Maybe there's a good reason for. They're not getting back. What the kind of recognition and reward that. They thought they were going to get. Maybe they're not earning income that they thought they needed. Whatever's lacking only you can change in. I don't believe in burnout. I just think that what you gotta do. Say What am I missing? What do I need to do? Differently is a damn or is it me. Many of the moves that I've made. I never thought I would make leaving. Denver Dakota San Diego for Storm. What it was time. It wasn't easy and I resented having to do it but it turned out to be very good move in both the short in the long term. It took a long look on the beach in this. What do I own a not getting? It is a damn or is it me. It's them on leaving and it was triggered by my wife saying to me one day. Why are you always angry when you come home from work and I started ranting? She said that's exactly what I mean. And she was right of course. Why do I need a job that makes me angry? And what do I need to change? So that I won't get angry is me. I'm just turning into crusty old man who can't get his way in. The effort loses his temper or is it crystal things that I'm trying to accomplish on not any longer possible in this environment ladders. I move to save new. So that's what I leave you with preserve your ideals. Don't let the people around you poke fun at them. In look for where you get your fulfillment in make sure that. It's still there in. Go after it if it's not that's exceptional thank you. Thank you Dr Rosen. Thanks for the opportunity to talk with you. I wish you would have more often. Thank you thank you for your time and this kind of podcast own mind is when I quantify Kate and tell people out of practice medicine without any reference to evidence that those are the podcasts. I hate hopefully. We did some justice with this one and I think it came out really well. So thank you and we'll we'll talk soon. Okay Hey guys this is Adam. Thanks again for listening. If you liked this episode please go to Itunes and rate the PODCASTS and leave a review. 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Miami Dolphins: Will Josh Rosen do any better than Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taco Charlton joins the team, and a take on the national media (Phinsider Daily)

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Miami Dolphins: Will Josh Rosen do any better than Ryan Fitzpatrick, Taco Charlton joins the team, and a take on the national media (Phinsider Daily)

"And hello everybody and welcome. It's you've been Saturday. I am your host for today Matt Canada and seems like the Miami Dolphins every day. There's something new going on team. That's totally newsworthy newsworthy but you wouldn't find in a hopman folk regular season you know when you look back on the years of the Dolphins competing for for a playoff spot or at least thinking they're competing for a playoff spot. You'll know how how well that's worked out over the past decade or so translation hasn't worked out very well at all but they have put out a team to be competitive and and that season it wasn't a lot of drama per se until towards the end you know when things were falling apart art or when they are actually in the hunt which seems like quite often and only to falter an and not make the playoffs but in this season in the season of quote unquote the tank. The Season of the tank twenty nineteen. It just seems like there's just so much around the Miami Dolphins this year and EH. It's great for business. We gives us something to talk about. Every day. It's great for the website and scrape for traffic. It's great for dolphins twitter. It's great for conversation. It's great for everything and it's even going to be great for the future of the dolphins as well but to moves that happened on a Thursday leading into Friday and this show is considerable news. I think especially with the dolphins naming Josh Rosen these starting quarterback of the Miami Dolphins moving forward and why is that significant. We all know why that significant right. I don't need to to sit here and tell you that Josh Rosen starting for the Miami. Dolphins is big news but it's now their chance to see you. What Josh Rosen was in Candu behind center. I know we've seen a lot of talk out. There from fans and media alike saying well. The dolphins already know that Josh Schroeder is not the guy. I don't think you can say that without seeing him. In a game I could have hints of it right. I think you can have some preconceived notions based on what you've seen him seen of him so far between the Arizona cardinals between preseason and between the mop up duty he's been giving in the game aim which is totally not fair to judge on by the way but I think to say definitively that he is not the guy I think that's a disservice disservice to the integrity of the game to the integrity of the dolphins trying to see if he's really is the guy and to Josh Rosen himself so he'll get the start against the Dallas cowboys. He will have the chance to show he is the man I mean the the odds are stacked up against him. anyways regardless of of of who it is because of the poor offensive line. I saw that where I believe Ryan Fitzpatrick was sacked once every ten drawbacks on Sunday against the Patriots. That's obviously not good. What if it's Patrick has good pocket presence Rosen's a little more shifty or not the Nimbus Guy not the fastest guy but he is faster than Fitzpatrick so and we saw some good pocket presence from Rosen in a preseason as well. Let's just hope he's not running for his life the entire game. I don't think it was a dolphins plans to start. Josh Rosen this early but I think they had no choice following the embarrassing losses to both the Ravens in the Patriots and especially because of just the way that the offense could not run against de Patriots. I mean they were absolutely brutal and didn't do much at all and I think during that game I think a half time a lot of the fans were clamoring for Rosen because the dolphins coaches ebbets saying that the only reason why Fitzpatrick was starting was because of the fact that they gave he gave them the best chance to win. Josh Rosen could've just as easily gone three and out three and out three in out in you know when you look deeper. Is it fine fitzpatrick. What's Josh Rosen going to change and so I wanted to take a look at a few next-gen. NFL stats and that really goes beyond your typical vocal box store scoring really tells a better story of what's happening so when you look at Ryan Fitzpatrick right when you look at his next Gen stats assist total time to throw so far which is the time of the time of the from the place. The time of the ball is snapped two time when on the quarterback throws the ball Ryan Fitzpatrick Fitzpatrick comes in. Let's see he comes in. I did have it highlighted at two point nine four seconds okay that is surprisingly pro rate in the top ranked fifth in the NFL which is surprising right the amount of time to throw from the time the ball stem to the time he let's go with the ball and you're like what's. I mean. The offensive line is atrocious. How can Ryan Fitzpatrick have the top five quarterback have two point nine four seconds to throw the ball well it also takes into account rushing rushing not rushing bus scrambling and running away when we've Seen Ryan Fitzpatrick do quite a lot of that the next step is average completed completed air yards and for its Patrick he comes in at seven point eight and again that is towards the upper echelon of the NFL why top five quarterback again with that but because the dolphins are behind so much and they've gotten a lot of negative plays in early scripts of the offense. You're forced to throw the ball a longer. A bit more is intended ear yards which takes into account in the drops in the incompletions and all that twelve point two yards so he he's pretty aggressive and actually his aggressive rating is twenty twenty eight percent and when you filter that out that's actually the most in the entire. Nfl a good four and a half points above Mitch Trubisky who is number two when you go further along and then you start looking at his passer rating right Nassar Ashworth gets a little shaky is the worst in the NFL by far thirty nine point nine his passer rating the next lowest is sixty. I Five Mitch Trubisky. That's that's a huge huge difference. His completion percentage is fifty percent the worst in the NFL his expected completion percentage which again takes into account the drops and so forth. There's not much better. It's fifty eight point three so it's different of eight percentage points but if you're trying to blame the other parts of the offense for that you. WanNa see a higher number. I mean eight point three is pretty high and it is you know one of the largest in the NFL. It's actually third-largest Cam. Newton is minus nine point three Ben Rothlisberger. Mine is nine point. One Jared Goff is minus six point seven Kevin Fitzpatrick there at minus eight point three then you could start telling the story of okay how much fitzpatrick how much is on the receivers so to do that we go to the next. Gen stats receivers and when you look at Devante Parker especially and this is pretty bad. devante parker gets four point seven yards of separation at the line of scrimmage ripe. The defensive backs aren't totally scared of giving him quite a nice cushion. However ever is average separation which is the time he catches the ball and the distance between the nearest defender is one yard one yard that is the the lowest in the NFL. Okay that is on par with guys like Decay Metcalf. Who is I wanted to say a slow but who is more of a I don't know the right word more of a bigger bigger body wide receiver. WHO's not I can kill you with speed. Mike Evans gets one point seven yards of separation again. That's not ideal which is why you have seen him struggling this season but to have one yard of separation. I mean I I mean think about right thinking about one yard so when he catches the ball or when the ball is targeted towards him the closest defender average is one junkyard. This is why Devante Parker is not getting the ball and this is why Ryan Fitzpatrick can't get him the ball either. devante parker is average targeted ear. Your air yards is twenty one point eight okay so we've seen a lot of high point balls. We've seen a lot of deep ball Parker where he's trying to go up and get the ball. That's fine but because he's doing that. He's doing that because he's not getting the separation so we're not seeing him break open in the field his catch percentage tonnage when you look at that is only twenty one point forty three that is the lowest in the NFL when you look at receiving yards seventy five obviously nothing to write home about yards after catch zero point three pretty bad expected yards after catch two yards which is basically how many yards he basically coulda gotten after he called the ball so so again it's just a a mess with devante. Parker and Ryan Fitzpatrick Eric so then you look at a guy like Preston Williams right you look at his next Gen stats. He's getting six and a half yards of cushion at the line of scrimmage judge but his separation is three point one yards which is way better way better than Devante Parker. When you look at his targeted air the yards fifteen point four again the dolphins with Fitzpatrick's aggressiveness rating throws a deep his catch percentage is sixty three point sixty eighty four not terrible not the best but respectable? This is on par with guys like Robert Woods who at sixty sixty six point six seven percent is par with guys like Cole Beasley Sixty nine percent better than guys like Trey Quinn and T- Hodkinson better than guys better than guys like Josh John Ross Cooper Cup even better than so he's right there with that presidents percents yards after catch not the greatest two point two yards his expected yards after the catch is two point eight so he's not getting getting a ton of help from his wide receivers either. You'll get Mike Giseki. His average cushion is four and a half yards. His separation is a much better for point point seven yards. I think that separation stat is huge for the quarterback trying to throw into open lanes and getting them to lead with your body to get yards after the catch. Albert Wilson is going to be able to get on Sunday by all accounts Jackie Brandt France. He is not catching the balls. I mean Josh Rosen that a few deep balls to him in a game against the Ravens dropped Takim. Grant and defenders aren't scared of him. He's getting five point nine yards of cushion at the line of scrimmage. He's getting three point six yards of separation. His is yard after catches better. Five point nine yards expected yard after catch is seven point nine yards again that could be a quarterback but you're not seeing a huge difference so when you look at all that and you factor all that into account it's like okay where where is going to get better house is going to get better. It's not like Fitzpatrick is missing. Listen throws. It's not like he's throwing over. The guy's head's it's not like he's getting sacked because he has no pocket presence. You just has nowhere to throw it because his guys are not getting open and for the guys who do get open either. He's not seeing them or the or the channel. Shave the offense coordinator is not scheming it the right way so hopefully with with another quarterback in there guys. Step it up a baby as you have seen that in the past as well. Maybe a little extra jolt a little burst of energy a little better chemistry mystery. There were guys are playing harder for the guy behind center. We're going to have to see how that shakes out but am I expecting take drastic result with Josh Rosen under center. I'm not unfortunately I wish there was yes because as I said on the group inside radio which released released yesterday. Make sure you check it out. If you have not already it is in the dolphins best interest for Josh Rosen to ball out and lead them to numerous winds and to show the even with the lack of talent around him. This is what he can do because boy if he can do that and if he could lead his team to five six seven wins and with nothing around him the dolphins will have three premium picks. First round picks the next year's draft to build around him. You could get a guy like chase while probably not chase young if you're ruining five six seven games but you can get maybe Jerry Judy if you're picking a top five or seven a wide receiver to give that Nice target for Josh Astros and you can get another attack online you can bolster everything around him and watch him ball out even more basically Jimmy Garoppolo model in San Francisco so rose gets the start he said Chris mentioned this press conference the other day that Rosen admitted to learning more than he's ever learns earns before in the few months that he's been in Miami Dolphin compared to the course of his career so that's I opening and again just another reminder of why the dolphins have not started him had did not really put him out there in key situations only mop up duty because they're trying to protect him but at a certain point it just becomes too much and you have to get the guy in the game because your current star. Patrick is just not doing anything to move the offense moving onto another player who who is going to maybe making his dolphins debut on Sunday. Maybe not maybe inactive is Taco Charlton in a former first round pick in twenty seventeen out of Michigan again across two seasons. He's been basically a first round bus. Which is why he was outright? Released by the Dallas Cowboys Dolphins had the thirteenth waiver claims spots twelve teams passed up on him and now he's a Miami Dolphin over two seasons. He's recorded four sacks eight tackles for loss in twenty seven games. He had a solid preseason. This year tallied two sacks to force fumbles in a fumble recovery but it wasn't enough for the Cowboys Star Him and Taco Charlton earlier earlier in the week tweeted release me or free me or something of that and he ended up deleting it but again just another sense and mm sign that he was obviously not happy in Dallas Dallas granted his wish and now the dolphins may have found the piece that can grow into a legitimate weapon in their defense a pass rusher which dolphins are lacking and the Dolphins Hope for Charlton this year at least it's become a key rotational player in that defense to get some pressure on the quarterback the back to kind of grow into defense and see what they can do with him in the years moving forward obviously it's in his everyone's benefit for Charleston to produce and to turn it around and hopefully a fresh start will do just that's interesting. Now you look at the twenty twenty seventeen draft right. You Got Charles Harris t now you got Taco Charleston on the team. Now both both of them were drafted in two thousand Seventeen Charleston a few spots after Harris. You Got Robert as well who the dolphins have on the inactive list on the pup list right now he was drafted twenty ninth overall by twenty sixteen by the Zona Cardinals. If we've seen some progress on Charles hair is is not a ton of progress but we've seen some nice progress which probably makes them worth keeping next year you saw spurts from John John Jenkins the new Dolphins Defensive Lineman had a nice nice game against the Patriots. If Harris can continue to develop if Charlton turns it around if Kim d'Ici comes out later this season and starts bawling out and John Jenkins along with Christian Wilkins I know that's a lot of ifs but then the dolphins and added pass rusher in the NFL dry twenty twenty a top top top pass rusher. This defensive line can be turned around just as easy as that again. I know it's a lot of ifs but I think we're halfway there with it. You no you got Harrison proving. You've got John Jenkins. I know it's one game but he dominated in when he was given the chance and Christian Wilkins has been holding his own so far you got three. You need to more. Maybe another rotational and you're good. You're good. That's GONNA be interesting to watch. That's going to be exciting to watch. It's going to be actually exciting to watch dolphins on Sunday night only exciting for the half or so but it's exciting because as you're seeing some new guys coming in with Josh Rosen John John Jenkins getting the chance again. I don't Know Charlton play. Maybe inactive needs learn playbook or maybe the dolphins just use them in key situations. God knows they can use another pass rusher regardless of how long they've been with the team moving on from all of that again. I mentioned the season of the tank right and we've seen a lot of national media just bashed the Miami Dolphins. It's actually getting a little tiring but it's also quite comical to see the way they're reacting to the dolphin doing this radical change and this radical strategy and now they say the NFL competition committee is going to investigate the dolphins. I doubt they do anything to the dolphins offense. It's more of a precursor to sang okay. What can we do moving forward to. Brent this kind of thing or is this going to be the standard moving forward. I can guarantee you. There's going going to be a team. I don't know if there's going to be a team that does it as extreme as the dolphins did are doing for Trevor Lawrence but you bet your bottom dollar. There's teams looking at Trevor Lawrence than are saying in a year from now going into next season. We got to do everything we can to get this guy and when you look around the NFL. There are some bad add teens. The bagels are going to give the dolphins a run for their money for the first overall pick and the way that Chris grew structured as roster. It's very hard to win. Games and you can compete for a little bit but ultimately the talent on the other side of the ball is going to win out and it's possible. The dolphins made this roster so bad so so so bad that they just can't win no matter what they do visit talent is just raider. It's like playing I saw the comparisons sunbelt team to an SEC see team. You know the winds are insane. The lines are what you see when Alabama plays a cupcake team over twenty points in the NFL game. That's on a I heard of. That's incredible but here's where we are and listen. We've all said it's going to be painful as heck but it's all worth it. In Two thousand twenty one dolphins rule the off season because you know damn well starting in January. The dolphins are going to own the off season up up through the NFL draft is going to be all about the dolphins and it's going to be glorious so let these teams have their shine. Now Dolphins time is coming up and to all the national national media who are complaining get over it. Please get over it. You haven't talked about the dolphins in years and to think that you have a pulse also the team is laughable and to kind of spin it and to try to get the fans on your side by saying. Oh the fans are better listen. You're right. We deserve better and we are getting better through this tank and I'm very proud of the vast majority of dolphins fans who understand what is going on with the tank who understand understand what is happening and who understands that you need to experience the pain this year to get better in the years moving forward listen. We do deserve better. We've been giving mediocre teams for for the past decade plus. We've been giving bandaids on this team where we've all been crying and screaming for them to do it the right way. We've all been treated to overpriced veterans who have lost luster in the NFL but coaches think they can get them back to where they needed to be. We've all seen it fail over and over and over again and I think we're all glad the dolphins are doing this way as painful as it might. Be This season dolphins. I call this coming Sunday one. PM EASTERN TIME IN DALLAS MIAMI will try to compete against the cowboys. TRY TO COMPETE AGAINST AC Prescott Ezekiel Elliott Amari Cooper. It's not going to be an easy task but their defense didn't prove against the Patriots. We'll see now if their defense can continue to improve and also their offense as well with Josh Rosen under center. We'll be back with another episode of finsider daily on a Monday or Tuesday. I think we're doing now Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday. Yes that's right so we're not during Monday's anymore. 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Redskins QB Roulette

The Kevin Sheehan Show

1:15:47 hr | 2 years ago

Redskins QB Roulette

"You want? It you need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. All right. I am here. Erin sear. This shows presented by window nation. If you're in the market for windows. Call eight six ninety nation or go to win donation dot com. And tell them we told you to call. Thanks very much for the feedback on the mock schedule it's up on the website right now in the blog section just go to the Kevin Sheehan show dot com. The feedback was quite diverse from Ray on Twitter. Kevin why do you do this been the biggest waste of time on your show for years? Now, it's the dumbest thing you do. Thank you rate. Then this from Vic on Twitter, Kevin. I didn't get it. I thought you were going to tell me who the skins. We're going to pick it number fifteen. That's wasn't really the point of it. Vic, it's a mock schedule then this from Caroline on Twitter. My husband's bucket list includes a trip to Green Bay I've booked the airfare and the hotel for him for the game in December. It'll be a birthday gift for him. And he chance you can help me with tickets. Thanks. Caroline, good luck on that. Many of you say it's stupid then proceed to tell me in detail where I've gone wrong this from Chris skins having opened up with Dallas since two thousand ten Kev think that that's what's going to happen. They and then he went on about how they play the eagles on opening day the giants on opening day in the interim. He thinks it's going to be Dallas on opening week. If you missed it yesterday, the mock schedule you can listen to it with Tommy talking about it at the forty two twenty five Mark forty two minutes. Twenty five seconds into yesterday's podcast is where we did the mock schedule, and if you think it's the dumbest thing that that I do and. Don't have a problem with you calling it that I'm going to continue to Nobis. I I would be doing this by myself. I did this for years on my own before I did it on a radio show. But if you're still curious, and you don't wanna listen to it. It's you know, it's up on the website, the Kevin Sheehan show dot com and just click on blocks are today's show. We've got a couple of guests. Joe Ben Nadi voice of the caps will join us. And Fred Smoot is scheduled to come on the show today. I actually really like Fred a lot. I think he's a big consumer of football college football in particular. So I wanted to get his thoughts on the quarterback situation. But also some of the other draft possibilities for the Redskins at fifteen get into would John com wrote and also a lot of different mock drafts have just come out here recently to and a lot of quarterbacks going to the Redskins at fifteen. Also the cardinal spoke a little bit or at least teammates of Rosen spoke. About the possibility of Rosen coming back, and what they would think of that. I didn't want to mention last night because I actually watched it. The the nets Phillies game was really dramatic in really good for early April game the to eventual, you know, NAT stars or potential net stars Victor robe Laysen wants Soto they delivered in a way in which Bryce Harper did not last night late in that game. Rowe blaze with two outs. And in two strikes delivered in the ninth with a solo shot to tie it. And then Soto hit a towering three run shot in the tenth basically to win the game. The nets were down six to one in this game. Harper gone deep early off Strasburg, but then struck out with a runner on and one out in the ninth in a tie game against Sean Doolittle, who I think you would call that. Would you not call that a high leverage spot? Absolutely. They brought. Him in a tie game. Because I was wondering, you know, if if Martinez doesn't bring in do little to try to get harp. Route in this particular spot, they won't have a chance to use Doolittle. Some glad they did that you know, it's not always that they end up doing that. But I thought that was a good move one more thing to in the game. Last night, the Phillies fans, they were gone by the ninth. Did you notice that did you watch game last night? I did watch the game. Look they thought it was over. I it's that. And it's like I said like Philly fans. Philly's a great sports out everything. But when you go on and on about not just you. But other people go on and on about the Phillies fans. I don't think they're that different from your average baseball fan. I know you've said that about the Phillies fans, and I I'm not gonna dispute that at all. It's a better sports down though. It's a much more rabid sports town in DC, but but you may be right about the Phillies fans who have been very, you know, pretty much fair weathered, you know, when they've been very good. They've been there. And when they haven't they haven't been there. But anyway, it was a good win for the nets. Because you know, they basically I understand that it's April tenth or in last night was the ninth. But if they had lost their four games behind the division leader and by winning that game coming back and winning a very dramatic game. They're just two games behind the Phillies. I emphasize they're very early in the season the wizard season's over thirty two and fifty the final count. They did the right thing, by the way lesson. I didn't watch any of it. But they had a big lead against the cell. Ix who weren't really playing anybody? And then they tanked in the fourth quarter. Good job outta them. That's what they should be doing. They are really the way they finished the year. They put themselves into about as good a position as they could have with respect to their lottery odds now, you know, that lottery, you know night when it's determined who will have the number one pick will be dramatic night. Wizards will have a chance for Zion Williamson, which would be I think a game changer a franchise game changer. If it were to happen. The big story last night was Magic Johnson quitting in Los Angeles. You know, it's hard work being a team president general manager team executive in the NBA. And I, you know, he basically told you he wasn't having any fun. If you listen to him talk about this magic is my number one number one of all time. You know, I don't getting into the debate about Jordan LeBron and magic magic to me was a trans. For mational player. He was my favourite player. I to me he's the greatest I've ever watched in terms of lifting a team. He had great players on that team in Kareem and worthy in coop. And Byron Scott, norm. Nixon before that all all the great Lakers. Magic was just so unique. And so great. He's always been my number one. I'm in the minority on that. I get it. I don't care. But being a great player as we've all seen sports fans over the years does not necessarily actually usually does not translate into being a good coach or a good team executive. Magic was not a good coach. And he was far from being a good team president, you know, you Jerry West is really one of the few exceptions to the rule in the NBA. And whenever I think about a great NFL player as general manager. I think about Ozzie Newsome Ozzie Newsome was a great NFL player, and he turned out to be a phenomenal team executive in Baltimore building. You know? A winner in in Baltimore. But anyway, you know, magic struggled here over the last year, he botched the hell or certainly participated in botching. The Anthony the Anthony Davis thing seven ways to Sunday. I was reading Alvin gentry's quotes after the pelicans last night finished up their season. And he was told about magic quitting. And man. Did he have some harsh words for his former GM del Dem's who got fired and also magic he said that the fallout from the Anthony Davis trade discussions midseason for both his team. And the Lakers was quote, the most toxic situation he's ever seen in more than three decades in the NBA any noted that Davis got terrible advice in the process. And you know, he mentioned it again, he said this was so toxic toxic. It it quote affected two teams and two guys. One lost his job. In the other resigned. Meaning Dem's got fired and magic resign. He said gentry did after the game last night the head coach of the pelicans in thirty one years. I've never had anything that would equal. This kind of fall out ever a close quote. Magic says he wants to go back to being magic, you know, in for magic that is being involved in running his businesses where he doesn't answer to anybody. It means having an he talked about this having conversations about players and teams and being a mentor to young players in an advisor to different teams. And you can't do that. When your team executive, you know yelled up, you know, you end up with tampering charges when you do that. I do think that he is going to regret at some point the way he handled this in he's magic, and maybe it won't matter. But he blindsided the hell out of the organization he didn't even tell Jeanie Buss that he was quitting. He told the media. That's how the news got out. That's how he communicated that. He was done. I think what I heard from magic. Last night was a guy that didn't want to deal with the scrutiny that comes inevitably. In a customer business when you're product isn't very good. And by the way, even more than that is such a disappointment. And that's what the Lakers were this year. And I'll go a step further. I think in the back of magic mind, I think he may believe that LeBron in LA was a mistake that it was a mistake that LeBron. He obviously there were injuries this year and everybody will chalk it up to injuries. But listen to this story which came out yesterday in the Athol letting about LeBron James, and and this is, you know, goes hand in hand with the magic stuff maybe to a certain degree, whatever team LeBron's on the first thing when when a team executive right coach loses his job, you say, well, what kind of handed LeBron play in this. But per the athlete while James was recover. Covering from the groin injury. He was not a part of the team. According to the report player started started to look at James differently. His lack of presence stood in contrast to listen to this. That of resign. Rondo Rajon Rondo was a better teammate when he was injured then LeBron was according to this story, and according to teammates run to apparently would show up at practice and shoot left handed and hang around the locker room and when the Lakers left for Sacramento the day after Christmas Rundle met the team plane at the airstrip with cookies. Homemade cookies to hand out to the team, that's Rondo and LeBron very distant so much. So that the young players on the team in particular, according to this athletic report became very distrustful of LeBron. And there was a bit of of schism that developed in the locker room sources in the story said that the young players no longer, trusted, James. And look why would they win the whole New Orleans? Anthony Davis thing came about. And it looked like LeBron and magic we're trying to orchestrate it. Anyway, also, there was another thing that story just as an aside that the Lakers had a deal in place to acquire Jabari Parker. At some point during the season. But anyway, I I saw that. So they were interested in Parker to I don't know if that would have been just for this year or for the future. Anyway, I do perhaps wonder if you know magic looking at LeBron sing I didn't get the LeBron James the last nine years, I got a different guide. It's more interested in his post basketball career in Hollywood than I did a guy that was going to strap us to his back and lead us to the NBA finals. Anyway, I thought the whole thing that floored me last night. I I was not expecting that. But but Magic's gone and now we have to ask ourselves the question with the Lakers job. Now. Open is the wizards job. Still the best available opening in all of sports as Ted told us. I don't know John came wrote something about. Josh Rosen today, and it does tails off of a story that was on ESPN dot com yesterday. I think written by the cardinals beat reporter where a lot of cardinals players apparently came out in support of Rosen Rosen was not made available to the media yesterday as players arrived for the first day of their off-season program. But the players that did and were able to talk were asked about Rosen and they supported him. Now. I guess you could you know, say what are they supposed to say David Johnson was was asked about rose. And he said I like, Josh I dunno. It's a business, and we we know that. But I like him Chandler Jones he handled himself like a quarterback like any other quarterback. Would he was a leader? I was impressed with how spoke to the huddle. I wasn't in the huddle all the time being in practice. You heard what he was saying? And he was good grabbing everybody's attention. He was a leader for sure. Third year safety Buddha. Baker said it was nothing different him. That Rosen was the first player to arrive on Monday mornings for the opening. I'm sorry. It was nothing different team. That Rosen was the first player to arrive this Monday morning this week for the opening of off season. Because Baker called Rosen, a great guy and a great leader. These are all good things to to hear from his teammates. I mean, some of this is sort of unsolicited. David Johnson went on to say, I think the biggest thing about Josh Z came in ready to learn he was talking everybody communicating with every bit everybody, especially when he got the starting job. He was trying to take the playbook and make it into his words that he could understand and he could talk to us about it. We had are group's with the running backs in the offensive line talking about pass protection. And he would talk to us about what he thought he would talk to the center about what he thinks is going to happen throughout each week. I just felt like he was always doing. Everything that came with being a leader. So a lot of these things, you know, are, you know, some of those answers are you know, you're gonna give not gonna knock the player. But I think these guys went a little bit beyond you know, that when it came to Rosen. These are great things to hear if you are one of those teams, you know interested in trading for him. But it also, you know, may be that the cardinals aren't going to deal him that they're going to keep Josh Rosen. Like, I was thinking about this last night that let's just let's count Cuyler Marie to era zone at number one overall. I mean think things could change over the next two and a half weeks. But if Qatar Murray goes number one and nobody's offering a first for Rosen. It's not costing much to keep them. It's not costing much. Maybe he's not the, you know, the I think it would be a difficult situation to have Rosen your number one pick from year ago. And then all of a sudden you're gonna draft. This new quarterback. I think it would make it uncomfortable. But you're not gonna give them away. And by the way, if you do wait if you choose to wait and you get into training camp or even in the regular season and all the sudden their injuries. That's when you could get the first you could get the first for Rosen before the trade deadline next season for team that loses a quarterback like Alex Smith was lost this year that is in contention for something. That's when you might be able to really be in a in a more leveragable situation with respect to compensation for Rosen. Anyway, John conham basically wrote about Josh Rosen. And I think he's telling you something that he knows that the Redskins are not giving up a first. And there may even be some question as to whether or not they think second is worthwhile for Rosen. I would say this if the Redskins aren't willing to give up a second. They're not. Getting Josh Rosen. I just don't see the cardinals dealing Rosen now for a third round pick or a pair of third round picks. Why would they unless they think it's just not going to be a healthy situation with back toback first-round quarterbacks? You know in camp, you know, if they're gonna go the Cuyler Murray route they're going to go the collar Murray route. But again, they could save and wait they could save Rosen and wait for the right moment to deal him. I don't think it's gonna be a third. Yeah. And even even if they did desperately wanna get rid of him because they're afraid the situation they can get a late second from somebody. There's no way at three. That's I don't think. So I think I think team like New England or larger potentially could give up late I but in John wrote that there several quarterbacks that the Redskins do like in the NFL draft. I believe that they like drew lock. I think they like Daniel Jones. I don't think they're going to take somebody fifteen overall. I don't. I think they will. And I think if they were going to take somebody fifteen overall, I think they should consider, you know, Rosen for a significant package that would be my preference. Not the first overall, and I don't think they should use a quarter a draft a quarterback with number fifteen overall. But basically John in his story wrote that their quarterbacks the Redskins like in this draft. So if the price tag for Rosen's too high safe for their first round pick, they're not going to bite. He says third rounders. No brainer. A second. It'll take some convincing. So just something to keep in mind. I I heard last week that the Redskins would be willing to put together a package for Rosen. That would include a second round pick in a second third, and you know, which of the of the thirds might be in debate. Whether it's seventy six or ninety six which was the compensatory BIC, but and then something later on perhaps his conditional. But we'll see. I mean for right now. There's nothing imminent. It doesn't seem but as we get closer to this draft. And if we get to draft night Thursday night, April twenty fifth and Josh Rosen hasn't been dealt and you the Redskins aren't in love with any of the quarterbacks, you know, in as far as number fifteen goes, look the Redskins may like Daniel Jones enough to trade either back or if they can't trade back 'cause you have to have a willing partner to trade back. I mean, somebody's got to be willing to trade up to fifteen for something they want, but perhaps they could package their second something to trade back into the first round as a possibility to get, you know, a Daniel Jones later in the first round or it could be one of those drafts where the only quarterbacks taken in the first round r Murray Haskins and lock and you get to Thursday night in the first round ends. And then it's that battle to get up to the. The first part of the second round to get the player that you think you need to have. And maybe you know, that's when the Redskins make a move using their second something later on to move up to a spot where they could get Daniel Jones. I still don't believe keenum is going to be a part of a deal. I think they traded for case keenum because they believe case keenum is their insurance policy, and that would be an insurance policy for sure, you know, you know, for for Colt McCoy, but it would also be for a young quarterback of rookie quarterback in particular that isn't ready to go. So that's why I have a hard time believing. The keenum would be involved in a deal. You said that you had the list of all of the updated mock drafts and all of the different quarterbacks. Yeah. I went through and I looked at some of the top mock drafts around the internet, and it was interesting to see because all of them had something to do with quarterbacks Kuyper released his three. Around mach today. Drew lock going at fifteen Sports Illustrated yesterday released their tenth mock draft, they had the Redskins trading up to nine to draft wait Haskins Pierce, grow from CBS had drafting, Daniel Jones and Walter football. Which if you don't know is a big traffic site. He basically said I've had the Red Sox going quarterback all this time right now, I think they're they're going to trade for Rosen. So I'm going to have them picking decay Metcalf here, but they don't Drake rose night happened a quarterback. I mean, everybody's everywhere on this. But they all seem to think, you know. You know, they're coming out of draft day with a new quarterback whether it's a traitor via draft. I will be honest with you. I do not have a sense as to where they have Rosen relative to the rookies. I do think I have a sense of where they have the current players in college. I think Murray would be one, but they're not going to get Murray. I think lock is number two for them. I think that lock is the guy that they, you know, like enough in think will be potentially doable. Maybe not with number fifteen, and I you may have to trade up to get lock. And I don't know that the Redskins are going to be willing to do that. But I do I don't know where they have Rosen compared to the other the young rookie quarterback's. But I do believe that they've got locked number two behind Marie. And then after that, I actually think it would be Jones before Haskins. That's my guess right now. I also know that they absolutely believe that they can get a stud defensive player fifteen and that is part of the issue right now. Now for them, which it's a good issue from my standpoint is that if there are internal battles and conflict over look we can't reach for a quarterback when we potentially could get Montas sweat at fifteen a game changing defensive end pass rusher. Or if they love burns we could end up getting, you know, burns as a game changing potentially potential pass rusher. We cannot pass on that ability. We haven't had one forever and you put a game changing speed rusher on the edge opposite Carrigan with pain and Alan Ionitsis. Good lord. You've got yourself the beginnings of a really good defense. We we we've thought that for a couple of years now definitely felt that last year and it tailed off. Why did it tail off? Will they had secondary issue corner issues safety issues? They still have not had the dominant pass rusher. I do not want them to reach for a quarterback that they're split on at fifteen if they believe they've got the pass rusher that they feel much more strongly about and this draft will produce those it will also I believe produce a corner at fifteen that is a potential star. Whether it's greedy Williams or the Andre Baker. I don't think Williams will be there. But I think Baker could be there. And when we talked to Fred Smoot Alaskan about the corners and what he thinks about the corners in this draft. I say no to wide receiver had this conversation with J P Finley the other day, and he had written about it before. And I totally agree with that. I think wide receivers a position it's pretty deep, and you should be able to get somebody that can help you in the second or with one of those two third round picks. Now, if you trade for Josh Rosen year more likely than not going to have a second and one of those two-thirds this year. I think the Redskins are in that position right now where they are. They understand that this draft is a really good draft. In a lot of spots that can help them pass rusher corner wide receiver not a fifteen necessarily but somewhere else they could end up adding an interior offense of linemen in this draft that could really help them. So this is what's going on there, and they traded for case keenum, and I think, you know, from a Jay Gruden standpoint. Gruden would rather roll the dice with one of those two veteran quarterbacks then be forced to develop drew lock or Haskins or Daniel Jones. And again, I think the order is for them as Murray locked Jones, that's the order. I believe they have on their board for quarterbacks. But the, you know, we've we per Jay Gruden and we heard him say that the league meetings. You know, if you start splitting reps between your, you know, your prized. Rookie quarterback in one of the veterans. It's going to hurt you in season. It's not going to get the proper reps for potentially by the way, a new starting quarterback in case keenum who if you don't add Rosen and you don't draft a quarterback in the first two rounds. They're probably going to have competition here, but they'll decide quickly enough and that quarterback will get all the reps and keenum's going to need a lot of reps in the Jay Gruden system. We have so much time to talk about the draft. I I want to continue to add more draft discussion. This is going to be a phenomenal Anna fell draft. I made it is deep there are potential star players on defense. I mean, if Devon white dropped to fifteen which I don't think he will. That's a no brainer over any of the quarterbacks any of the wide receivers any of the corners. Hell Devon white. If he were to drop to fifteen you'd have to wonder why dropped fifteen I I like I like Devin Bush allot. You know at Oliver was supposed to be the number one pick in the draft this time last year, and now more likely than not he could be available at fifteen a ridiculous talent. The two tight ends. We've talked about especially Hawkin who coolly loves Cooley loves Hawkins in a lot more than he likes Noah fan. But he also who was the other tight end. The Cooley liked not not the not the Alabama Knotter of Smith. There was another tight end. The Cooley really liked that I'm blanking on right now. But anyway lot opportunities in this draft at fifteen and in the second round and the Redskins have four picks in the first ninety six in this draft. They do I'll netted out. I still would do the deal for Rosen for a package that includes something other than a I, and my guess is that more likely than not it will happen. But the problem with that right now is the cardinals position. They're not potentially ready to move him for something other than, you know, high value, and I don't know that the Redskins are going to be willing to give up. High value for look second third in something else's significant valium that I'm not minimizing. But the cardinals may wanna wait. I think we learned a lot from those those cardinal player interviews yesterday, and what the cardinals organization thinks about Josh Rosen, and that's very promising. If you're one of the teams interested in acquiring a him, and the other thing too, somebody mentioned this to me, I think it was my friend Kenny who mentioned this to me yesterday when I pretty much downplayed the possibility of the giants being involved for for Josh Rosen. And I said, they're just they're not going to give up number six. And he said, well, what about number seventeen? I don't think they're gonna give up seventeen either. You know? I don't think the giants are given up a first round pick for Josh Rosen. That's that's my guess. But certainly number seventeen overall would get the deal done that would get the deal done. Let's take a quick moment to do three two and three two. Him. All right. Let's take a quick moment. 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I I've been thinking about you recently because I've talked to a lot of different people. And you are highly opinionated you fancy yourself to be pretty good at the personnel. And and drafting, and trades and you follow college football. Unlike a lot of guys a lot of former NFL players, you are really into college football, you and Clinton both or a really into it. So I wanna start with the quarterback issue. If you're the GM how do you solve the quarterback issue here in the off season? To me is very simple right now. And in all lays on the air on cardinals. I think they're making it clear that they're gonna take calamari with the first pick. And if they do that we have to get him a second round draft pick and case keenum, case keenum is a guy that been in that all sense. He was in the outfits in college. He'll be the bitch tutor possibly for Kyle Murray in that I'll I think we have to make a move on draft day to get jobs rose and not only will he be the number one quarterback in this draft. If he was in this jail, but you get him with his guaranteed money already paid said, let's up to be pretty much the best case scenario considering you have to take Alex contract. I think Josh Rosen on nothing. What do you like about Rosen because it sounds like you're sold on him? Well to think about it is he can make every through on the field. He reminds me a lot of met. Ryan if you look at Meg Ryan Mack match racing as he got older. He. He played the game. Everybody started a ton of games in college. He was a polish quarterback, and that tell anybody if you had to play behind areas Zona cardinal office of line you would've stunk last year, they Johnson stunk behind it out. It was impossible for him to succeed. The having outfits of last he comes to the race games. I was applying automated ten times is running game is better. I can't better received. But everything is set up for him. To succeed is the red scheme that offensive line was was bad. Minnesota's was the worst in the league last year. But Arizona's was awful as well. What if the cardinals decide not to train them? And by the way, it was interesting yesterday a lot of his teammates like David Johnson and Chandler Jones in few others came out and said, they really like in respect Josh Rosen, which by the way, I liked that you heard that from some of his teammates that they really thought that he had some. True leadership ability. But let's just say the cardinals decide, you know, what we're not giving them up for a second. We're not giving them up for a package of a second third and fifth or a second. Case keenum were keeping him. Now. How do you solve the problem? Yeah. Like, I say many at the end of the day is all about where coast grew nail in his career right now he understands this is a make year for him. So if you're not going to get a guy like Josh Rosen. I think you're gonna have to ride it out with case keenum. Let's case keenum did not take the Minnesota Vikings deep into the playoffs two years ago. This guy get out there, and you could make some plays. He's not the best quarterback quarterback that you can win. We especially if assigned to run a game. There's like we'd be last year. So you would feel fine that if they don't pull off a deal for Rosen, which is number one on your list. You would be okay if they didn't use the draft to select a young quarterback, and they went with keenum or McCoy. But your preferences keenum. I'll most definitely in this case keenum, he you know, code has been around longer. And it's just, but but cases, who let's just be honest. He's long playoff game cope McCulloch heaven while play game and co McCoy as not seize the moment when he's had the chance to be risk quarterback. Someway, another always when the injury are always bad. So yes, case keenum would be guessing you'll see anybody out there available. Anybody in the draft is to be there after fifteen let's just say this showed up and don't go with any of these. Well, I mean Jay Jay Gruden said at the league meetings in Arizona two weeks ago, or whatever he said, you know, if we draft a young quarterback, it's just gonna take to it takes a while. So he was essentially saying if we what you're saying if we go the route of a rookie quarterback, you know, we're in the development, we're in the development stages in it's not the right off next year. But you don't give yourself. Nearly the shot that you do going with the veteran, but I would almost say to you. If you bring in Rosen, and let's say you trade for Rosen is Rosen and year to ready to take. I think if they traded for him he'd be the absolute starter on day one, regardless of whether was he was ready or not because if they pull up that trade they're going to start. Josh Rosen is my belief. But do you think he'd be ready? If I tell you what I like about the chosen rose everybody talked about his attitude. I like my quarterbacks to have some attitude in the one thing this top ten peak is gonna feel he's going to be the first top ten pick it quarterback to be traded. I think in thirty years he might be the first one of all time. It's going to be a knock on his pride. I come. You're never guy worked it's harder. If he's going to like, I always tell if I get me to play with the motivation that has nothing to do with the regular. I got me player. He wants to prove that not only does he belong in his lead. Then he wanted the top quarterback that came out of his very talented class. I think we get everything we we're gonna play with motive we're gonna play this camp freely. We gonna play it. If I if you put him on any other quarterback that's out there and available. He's better than you. So at the end of the best the best the Sherby top prior to going into the Braff, come come April. Are let's say that the their pull off the trade for Rosen or there. Going with keenum. But regardless they're left with their first round pick at fifteen overall. You watch a lot of college football who do you like who do you think's going to be there? Fifteen for this team to take where you know, what I've been a big Muntean swig two years. Nobody's been leaving. Now. He didn't ran himself out of fifteen. I don't think he's going to be. Look at a guy like Brian bars. From a Florida state. I think we need to pass rusher if not anti past. I think we need to go out to be paid the one thing. I think they're going to be hesitant to do is take receiver first round because just Datsun has not paying out to be the guy with the front office. And I'm not going pass rushing. I have the Cassetta receivable with greeted William would be my pick six two and a half full full forty four twenty four to be Zach long. Go the ball at the end of the day. It won't we're gonna have to turn the corner when it comes to cover cone on this team. And I think creating would not only be instant star. I think got has poked pro caliber talent from day one. I'm talking about day one. I was gonna ask you about the corners. I mean, I don't think really Williams will be there fifteen but do you like him more than Baker at think he would be if fifteen that the Baker? They do it. I'll cone. He's a lot of real reebus in him in a bad position. Ran a bad for that ran the five three or something like their replayed. A lot faster got gonna have ten twelve you Korean lead? He pros pro I like him with actually like buying Murphy. The Washington Olympic Beli he built like me talks trans like me he can get after. So he's a gap in my own heart. But I think if not going past you have when I passed I mean age gonna ask that that collision read it to me Anderson finally pood- us here where taking therapy, but if not a have to Kona back, and why the yeah, I mean, I we talked we did this with Cooley on Friday in a talked about it earlier this week. They haven't had a speed Russia a true rusher that put fear into an offense of coordinators heart during the week before playing the Redskins in a long long time. I mean, they've had bull rushers. They've had strength rushers which is where I'd put Ryan Kerrigan. But he's not a fear inducing pass rusher. You have those guys in this draft. You've got some real speed guys from Josh Allen sweats. My guy I think I mentioned this to you last year. Mississippi State was one of my favorite teams to watch. I don't think there was a better defense in the country. Then Mississippi State St. fence last year, I like the safety a lot from from Mississippi State Jonathan Abrams Abrams is going to be great. But sweat looks like a star. You like burns to in those are two of the speed guys. There's some strength guys. But do you agree with me that if they go pass rusher, they need the speed edge? Not not not the power guy. Most definitely I think it's all about speed. And don't forget about big Jeffrey Simmons, if he don't tell his ACL he could be a potential top team if detect Mississippi State in Mark my words team Philadelphia eagle go draft him with the thirty of picking the first round. Mark my word. They're gonna add the rich get richer with Jefferson. But like you say, it's so many is rushing in this trail. I think the league guys you're gonna get them in the first twenty five and we sit right there to go to spot feel teen Clifton got so many guys. I only have to start the name the guys that they column fair the rest of those guys that you could you could go through and say, you know, what they're proving guys don't forget. If a middle linebacker like they're bushes. There. Can you look over hills car? No. I mean, if if Bush's sitting there, I mean, I like Devon white a lot more than I like Bush, but whites and white won't be he wants to be. There are. Right back to wide receiver here for a moment. I don't think they're gonna take wide receiver at fifteen either. I don't think there's a wide receiver were taking at fifteen. I'm not a Metcalf guy at all I do like the smaller receivers in the draft to meet Paris Campbell reminds me of Sean Jackson, tell me about the receivers. And who you like and who you don't like. I actually like Hollywood Brown very tiny receive. He reminds me of the show Jackson. He would be in the second round. I even like a guy by the name of Jalen hers. Six five two hundred thirty five pounds used to play running back at Tennessee also played when back at Baylor. And why receive I think he could end up transforming to be a beat. So you could get him with one of those two fear round picks that you're gonna have owned their day. So his guys like that that you need to look for and being out. I was steak he he can go. Can go up and make plays. So it's a bit received in this small receiving jail and actually is deeper that people actually thinking is. But if I'm the Redskins on the second day with my second, pick, picking depot, SAM's, I think he's the most complete. So they rely most NFL. Yes. The most NFL ready his rouse precise. He could run out the kitchen rezone, he is most complete guy, and he can return deebo Samuel would be my picking that. We don't pick it. We're going to regret it. 'cause you're gonna have a great career last thing in let you run right now the the over under on winds for the Redskins in Vegas is six. I mean, it's at the bottom of the league the expectations for next year are super low. I mean, I don't I don't think unjustified. I think that there's good reason quarterback quarterback. No quarterback. You ended the young talented data's Campbell teams in the Super Bowl winning team two years ago, Philadelphia. So yeah. Stand while they it's Kevin Sheehan that Scotland we look. We look. We look alike, but I'm much smarter than he is day. Yeah. I think so well he's much older too. I mean, he's like sixty like that. But anyway, yeah, I mean, I I mean, that's the the question really is what's what's reasonable for next year. Even if they got Josh Rosen what's reasonable for next year for looking at it, objectively, and it's tough for me as a fan or you as a former player but try to be objective. What what a reasonable expectations right now for twenty nineteen. I am now to keep it real. I'm always to keep it rea-. So I am going to be honest. If we get Josh Rosen, we can be legit nine and seventeen and could fight to get to the playoffs. Not to this with the same team leading to business six three when Alex was up. Right. If you can get a trigger. Manny here we have a chain. If we go in case keenum, we have another chance at mediocrity in this. The only thing that has been killing us for decades defect. We stay around nine and seven eight and they seventy man, I would never. Whenever the bottom feeders, and we never the best. But one point you have to go rock bottom to get to the places you won't in the next two drills are gonna be peop- at the quarterback position. So you're looking at two tongue lower and you're looking at Trevor lowing. So at the end of the day at one point we gotta hit rock bottom. I we gotta get Josh Rosen sky's the limit. Yeah. I agree with the rock bottom. I was all in favor of just saying let's blow off twenty nineteen. Let's get rid of some of these big contracts. Let's add some more picks by trading. Some some guys that aren't going to be around when you're really legitimately ready to win. Maybe a guy like Carrigan good. Brought back you know, a pick. But they're not going that way. They can't they can't go that way gruden's, basically, potentially lame duck coach, and I don't know what the situation with Bruce Allen is. But at some point he's going to have to produce an actual winning season a competitive season. Most definitely there's what you talking about. Where we can't we at a cross roads right now. And we need to go and go up. We don't go. We don't decline like I say either Josh Rosen, go come and be the savior, a case keenum don't take us to the pits of misery like one of the things going to happy, especially we don't get help on fat over get the receiver core. He had him Minnesota. That's a different type of receiving it would be those guys. And now you wanna put it with our guys I got a boost up the wire receiving core to and I wouldn't be shocked if they were not tiny is a couple of. Yeah. There are including the both of them from Iowa. All right. Look, I'll always enjoy doing this. Thanks so much for the time. We'll catch up soon. Dahlie. Thanks, thanks. I have all right. Great to catch up with Fred. I love Fred. And as I mentioned, you know, not all of these former players watch a lot of football college football, the two guys in in coolly watches, a lot of film, but Portis in Smoot, you know, watch games all year long. They're really into college football. So I was like catching up with him, regardless of what he of what he calls me during the interview. But it was great to catch up with him, by the way quick reminder that if you are listening to the podcast, but you haven't subscribed yet in your platform, whatever it is allows you to subscribe just do that for us. It really helps us. 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They had some very good in important games with Tampa. And with Carolina in particular, even games against Tampa that they lost these rehiring competitive games. And that maybe they got on a roll a little bit heading into this postseason. Do you feel that way? Oh, yeah. Much more business like. In the last month month and a half of the season. And Todd reared in alluded to this recently in one of our media scrums at the team came back from all star break from by week break when they were going sideways when they've lost seven in a row their defensive was very poor. He alluded to us that they made a change of intact. They made a change in some plans different approach much more aggressive and they've been much more business like down the stretch. And I think you hit upon it. Just a matter of a championship team knowing it's time to defend and they look really good. I'm watching them today in practice. Everything's buttoned up. They look sharp. Yet are just seemed to be a confidence thing in watching a few of the games down the stretch, by the way, I wanna get to the Carolina series in a moment. But you mentioned Reardon for those of us that are going to be much more in tune now with the postseason in terms of you know, every period every pass every shot. What will this? Post-season look like under Reardon versus trots. Will there be differences? Not very much not not very many in the way that those two coaches approached the game Todd is an this is not the berry isn't. But Todd is a very cerebral mind tot is very video oriented. It's amazing how well prepared this team is and Barry and Britain Hopi mentioned that to me about the Barry trots regime as well. They went into every game last year regular season the last forty years incredibly well prepared by Barry and his coaching staff. Talk was part of that. So he's watching all of that. And he's so interested in video study film study interactive meetings between special teams groups, and and the opposition is so detail oriented and not in a bookish way. Not in a way that turns people maybe off they will to get his approach across really well. I think he in Barry trust share goes similarities and for the most part. I don't think people will be able to recognize much in the way, tactically different. But they're they're still be an interesting time for Todd because it'll be the first chance for him since he's the button pusher since he's the head coach to really match up with with another head coach Stanley Cup playoff series in this series ahead. You've got to first year head coaches both of whom have done really really well in reared in rod Brindamour. Let's talk about Carolina in this first round the caps actually swept the hurricanes during the regular season. But in doing some reading here over the last twenty four hours a lot of people think that's that. This will be a very tight series, you agree or disagree. I agree. One hundred percent and to not to not agree. One hundred percent would be disparaging to a Carolina team Kevin at one thirty one of its last forty five. Well, I mean they've been since New Year's day. They've been really good. And I liked their team allot. I think it starts on the back end. There's a a defense corps there. Then his young extremely talented. Extremely mobile of a are able to join the offense for the hurricanes. Extremely well. They'll pose problems. I think Washington is definitely the favourite. I think Washington definitely wins the series. But to say it will be easy. No because they won four games in the regular season. No every time the cats play the canes. It's close it's tough. And now I fully expected to do. So in the Stanley Cup playoffs. They only Carolina only had two to win fewer than Washington and the regular season. This is a very good Eastern Conference. It's a very good clash in the first round. What are the keys to them beating Carolina in this series defending home turf? You know, you really I think all these guys were talking with us during the week. I'm gonna think back. It was nNcholas Backstrom who I looked at me and said, you know, we're going to get off to a better start. And by that, he meant thinkers crossed. They're not gonna lose the first games and over time they Columbus. Yeah. So to me take care of home ice is especially important and the camps have been good here. Very much. So down the stretch. I wanted to say maybe ten one and three in the last fourteen home games. That'll be just fine. Thank you very much. They'll be good. They're special teams will be important. They always are braiding Hopi outplaying, whoever. It is gets the call him Carolina side, whether it be Mirage or macaroni. My my gut tells me it would be Mirasi, but brains performance in the last month Kevin's been really good. So I think in the right place to begin this title defense. You know, it's just interesting coming off the first Stanley Cup ever and the feeling that they're the defending champs and the there's no hurdle to clear anymore. You know, the penguins aren't lurking, and and they could be lurking in the second round. But there's just a whole different feeling about this post. Season. And I don't wanna call it house money because I think that's the wrong way to describe it because there's a lot to accomplish still. But boy, you know, for so many years Joe, we went into this thing and every year in talking to you and everybody else before the playoffs started. There really was this huge weight on the franchises shoulders Ovechkin 's shoulders in particular, and it just feels so much different this year. And I'm wondering if battle help them even more. So remember they were in trouble last year against Columbus. Even even that game five Joe a two series when they got out shot. You know, I forget what it was. It was something like seventeen. No one in the third period, or whatever it was they were really on the ropes. They're a couple of times. But it just feels so much different this year. It does is it different confidence. There's also a different pressure. Kevin there the hunted. Now every team's gonna wanna take them down. They are the defending champs every team in the regular season gave them their best shot from game. One three eighty two. I think that only makes them better. There. There's no substitute for the experience that they went through last year. Absolutely. None. They have such a great memory Bank that they can go back to and there was so much versity. If you remember pretty sure they trailed in every series last year at some point time they trailed in every series, and they were big enough bad enough. Good enough. Well, however, you want to put it they were good enough to come back and do it. They know that they can do it. They have the feeling that they want to do it a cipher, Michael company. I think they're healthy enough to do it. I really like their chances. It's a different kind of pressure. They expectations are still there for them to be eastern final Stanley Cup final. So they feel that. But I think they they're well equipped to get their talked about this yesterday with Tommy on the podcast. I am surprised as a better not a hockey better. But just as a better in general that Tampa is such a prohibitive favorite to come out of the East Iraq. Recognized their regular season. Joe? I know the the incredible regular season. They had I also know that the caps played them three times here over the last month and all three of those games. The caps could have one and really could have gone either way, which you know, I think Tampa grab two of them the cap scout one of them, but they are a monster favorite to come out of the almost an even money favourite. Why do you think that is people are just looking at it and historic season a sixty two win season. Bay are hop to bottom. Kevin the best even the NHL. It's I don't know that it's really that close from the regular season Washington. Could've beaten them three times. I agree with you wash. It beat them in a seven game series last year came from three two down to do it. Shut him out twice in game. Six and seven to do it. I think the catch. No, they can beat them. But I think maybe Vegas looking at an historic season where Tampa Bay offense ity offensively and in goal. I I mean, it's extraordinarily they have studs everywhere. And I understand why they're saying what they're saying. But this is an incredibly deep Eastern Conference. I'm not so sure tap is gonna run over Columbus like five if they do I won't be apprised. But also will be surprised. Columbus pushes them to seven. I really think user conference is flat out loaded everywhere both sides metro Atlantic. So I'm expecting this to be a great time of year for for hockey fans to watch compelling series across the board hammer bay to me the difference makers. That's less scheme goal is arguably the best trophy winner could have easily had not missed a month with a broken foot could've easily tied or eclipse. Brayden Hopi temporal to his record for wins. The season that good difference maker back in Victor Hedman and a healthy. Ryan mcdonagh, the Donna wasn't healthy last year when the caps matched up with Tampa Bay. That was a big difference. Now, they have to number one defenders they and I don't even get started with the amount of skill. They have up front. They are a favorite for very very good reason. I still think the Cavs can take him down. Just looking at a lot of the, you know, the so-called experts and all of the predictions that's really the only series in this first round in either conference that's considered to be one-sided in nature even the cap series. I mentioned there there several people picking Carolina to win this series. Islanders pens pretty much split. A lot of people like Toronto's chances against a very good Boston team who had a terrific regular season out west. I mean these series, you know, maybe the Calgary Colorado series is one-sided in terms of the selections. But you know, does this playoff with this postseason with the exception of Tampa seem wide open to you. Kevin. I'm not so sure that Calgary's gonna run right past Colorado. Now the avalanche have an offense. That can scare people and Calgary head coach Bill Peters have done a fabulous job. They're where the flames. On my coach year ballot for very good reason. But you know, they haven't been there. They don't their expectation level is extremely high by comparison to what they've done in the past. So let's see I think all the way across the board though from an openness stamp on. Yeah. Sure. It is the most people are gonna say take the easy way out and point to Tampa Bay and I can't argue with sixty two regular season wins. But aside from that it would not surprise me at all if the winner of the Boston Toronto series where to knock off Tampa Bay around to it would look just like the caps as president trophy winners two years ago three years ago getting beaten by Pittsburgh. I it's just that's just the nature of the beach. There's nothing about being a presidents trophy winner. The guarantees you the Cup nothing. But that team is skilled enough in Tampa Florida to do it. They really incredibly well-built. Gimme a quick thought on the other divisional series. Islanders pens because. Because that imbalance tailed off their towards the end of the year. And that if the caps get through Carolina that your second round matchup. Barry Johnson the year on April six Kevin. I saw Barry in the hallway after the game. And he says, you know, what I think we got a plan to be Pittsburgh. And I looked at him. I said, well you've done it once and you did it most recently e firmly believes that they have a scheme that confer straight. Pittsburgh's most talented, I understand that's the way you're going to have to do it. The islanders play suffocating style. They give you nothing in between the blue lines and that can be frustrating and the more at series goes the more it may wear on the likes of Crosby Malkin, and tesla and all that group. So I don't mind, I don't mind people taking the islanders there. That's going to be exciting for them to go back to Nassau Coliseum. That little barn is going to be electric. That's a really close series. I would not be surprised if it goes the distance. And then if you wanna stay with Boston Toronto, those teams know each other. Extremely well. I think the Bruins are team that can surprise someone in this series. I in the in the playoffs. They're really do their breach. Bruce Cassidy has the plane in a way that they believe there's a self belief there that they can overcome any hurdle. That's in front of them. The hurdle that's in front of them right away. Toronto's offensive capabilities. We saw that a couple of years ago with the Maple Leafs. Those guys were just puppies. Then there are a lot more experienced now that's incredible series to me that's seven without a doubt. Our last one, and I'll let you run. Gimme a player a caps player that is going to emerge end up being. I don't want to call it a surprise performer. But you know, a veranda from last year's postseason. I mean, hell I think they're going to miss Smith Pelly from from the postseason a year ago. But gimme a player that you expect. It will have a bigger impact in Moster thinking heading into the postseason. I'll give you a couple of cannon just by looking at the roster and a little bit by watching practice today. I've oh Carl Haglund car was brought here for good reason to help on the penalty kill to bring his big game savvy to the postseason here for Washington. This is a guy who's been there done that really deep in the play on a couple of times as a Cup champs. Pittsburgh. I fully expect him to be insane with 'cause nets off and Oshii as they start the postseason. I don't know where Carlton finish it because he's sold on flexibly on versity gives Todd reading so many options. But he's one for me the other is Brett Conley. I just got the cessation the feeling that Ronda Eller and Conley are going to have a very very good postseason. Because at this time of the year. Best tends to neutralize best third-liners, quote unquote tend to rise up. I love if they keep it together, Ronda Eller and Conley as unit. So it would not surprise me. If Brett gets on the board a couple of times had a real strong regular season. What's your schedule? What what's yours in locker schedule? Do you have the whole first round here? I wish we did. We have game one game three and game four. We know that for sure we team six and seven we know that for sure game. Five is up in the air. So the network keeps us jumping from time to time, but we'll be involved pre game post game on NBC sports, Washington. But for sure Dame won game three game four come to us. You're you know, you really do. I mean, you know, how I feel about you as a play by play guy for this particular sport. But you and I must have missed each other by minutes in state college on Sunday. And when I got home because my youngest son is there, I I watched some of your call of Ohio State Penn State, which was great and well Penn State, Aaron did, you know, this Penn State's number one lacrosse team in America. Yeah. Which is which is crazy. They beat Maryland a few weeks ago, but you do such a good job on that sport too. And I know a lot of people enjoy you on that. And some of you don't even know you do it. But you were doing it for the big ten network the other night. Kevin. I appreciate that the network been very very good. I mean, they they give me a lot of football. A lot of college across we've gambled with hockey for them with them from time to time. But the Nittany lions from an offensive standpoint they're like Tampa Bay. Yeah. Like Canada in the NHL their offense is so good. And so fun to watch. Yeah. I was up there for one of those tornado of a weekend apparent weekend thing where by the time. I got home you were on and I fell asleep because it was a long weekend met places a lot of fun on a weekend. Even for the parents looks funny. My voice put you in my mom to sleep. All right. Something needs to change. You know, I didn't mean it that way. Hey, enjoy the postseason. Hopefully, we can catch up soon anytime. Kevin Joe's the best and he'll join us again. Hopefully, we're in for a long run here, and we'll have another opportunity or to catch up with Joe, Ben and Noddy during the postseason and during this postseason all of our caps segments. Are brought to you by mama Luccio, which is fresh Italian cooking and great pizza. Of course, they are the proud sponsor of capitals hockey in the race to the Stanley Cup on the Kevin Sheehan show podcast six area locations. Mamma Lucia has been a big help in feeding the local community since nineteen seventy seven tomorrow on the show. We will announce the start of a capital hockey special for listeners of this podcast checkout Mamma Lucia restaurants dot com to schedule a delivery for your caps. Watch party. All right. A couple of things before we say goodbye for the day. I I'm a big jeopardy fan. I watch jeopardy a lot. I've not been watching this week. And apparently, I'm going to regret not watch. Yes, we just a little bit because James whole Hauser or holes Hauer one hundred and ten thousand nine hundred fourteen dollars during the episode that aired last night the most ever on a single day in the history of the show that thirty five year history of the show the previous single day. Mark was seventy seven thousand dollars on September fourteenth two thousand ten. He's now won a he's one two hundred and forty four thousand three hundred sixty five dollars during a four day run here, which is also a record. But on one episode a hundred and ten thousand nine hundred and fourteen dollars Imus. Assuming apparently on final jeopardy. He got correct, obviously that that particular bet was thirty eight thousand dollars that's such a such a runaway going he could bet as much as they wanted. And usually in that case, they just kind of bet low to keep their money in that case. Strategically then he wasn't gonna lose run away. So as much as could so he had essentially somewhere in the neighborhood of like seventy two thousand going into that final jeopardy question. And he also had spit on double jeopardy. He does on daily double the the story did not give the the whole game. Like, I wanna know how he got to that seventy two thousand which is a remarkable number in its own right to get to that before final jeopardy. Like, he must have gotten double jeopardy. You know, a couple of times in just gone all in right? And just risked everything and hit on all those. I did see that. Apparently, he has he won. He had to daily doubles one. Was he did go all in for fourteen six and then when all in on twenty five all right? So so at fourteen six he went all in and. Go to MiG twenty nine two. And then we're we're we're said he was at forty six eight and put it another twenty five thousand on another daily while. So that got him to seventy one eight which set you up for the final jeopardy. Wow. He went big at fourteen six did he have a huge lead? I mean, he must have how else they were close to four where he's just or he's just saying, you know, because know, at that point he didn't have a huge. He definitely had a lead at that point. But he's correctly answered one hundred twenty nine of his first one hundred thirty three attempts on jeopardy. Now, the part of what attracted me to the story was I am jeopardy fan, but he is a self proclaimed professional sports better he had graduated from the university of Illinois in two thousand five with a degree in math. He spent time running a poker strategy website. And then built a bankroll for future sports betting, and apparently ESPN has confirmed with at least two Las Vegas sports books that he is a respected better understand this. And I've talked about this a lot if you are a true professional better making big money on sports betting, Moe. You're not known to the general public. You are known to the sports books, but they don't the professional the real killers. In their only about a dozen of them. All right. Those guys typically are limited and then have to find people to place the wagers for them on their behalf. So if this guy's a big time professional sports better. All I'm telling you is the fact that we know his name he's self proclaimed and a couple of a couple of Vegas sports books. Noam? He's not putting anybody out of business with sports betting, but he jeopardy jeopardy out of business. Now, you told me before the show that you actually qualified on an online jeopardy contest to get interviewed for the show. Yes. So once or twice a year. They do actually I think they're doing it right now do the online test, which is basically they give you fifty questions online. You you know, you have entered only have like ten seconds answer each question. So it's not like you can sit there and go back and forth. Google all the answers and stuff. I guess I got a good enough score. So I got to got called back for an audition, which they had in DC. They had like a bunch of sets of auditions it involved another written test. And then like we got to play a mock game with the other contestants called us up in groups, basically, it was like the first segment of the show we did like twelve questions, and then they did the little interview segment at the beginning of segment too. So that's kinda cool. So did you make it into the mock game part? I mean, how do I did pretty well, it's not so much the pure because they more it's more. How how easy are in front of people and stuff? So you got to reserve a little bit. But actually, I was a lot less nervous. Some people you could tell where like PETA trembling up there. It didn't know what they were doing. But a funny. I that part is updated show personality and stuff, especially during the interview. I definitely talked to them a lot longer than anyone else. Got just because I mentioned something about wrestling. Because I last one I did I was like well. Sports producer reporting. And I'm the only person in this room who has probably gotten paid to interview wrestlers before. And they just went on and on about that. So I was just trying to. I mean, that's you know, that's a big part of the show usually pretty geeky part of the, but you probably fit in that particular that show still they could hold me at some point. Oh, you are in the pool for the next six months. I'm still in the pool. And then I can retry out again, potentially down the line. I love the show. I I've always loved the show. You know, some nights, you think you're a complete idiot 'cause you don't get any answers. Right. And then the next night year run like two or three categories in a row and actually think for a moment that you might not be a complete moron. But is there anything better than when you get a question? No, one on the show gets absolutely. Well, or that no one else in the room gets there. How'd you get that one? You know, obviously at you. And I being big sports people in a lot of people listening. I mean, seriously the sports categories there, so ridiculously easy, which tells you just when you get, you know, a category that you're not very good in like, you know, for me, it would be basically any literature category or most science categories, actually, the science wouldn't be that bad. But you know, they're not super difficult questions. It's really a test of your depth, and I'm very narrow very very narrow. But anyway, you know, Alex, trebek's becky's got Pat pancreatic cancer wasn't that announced like a month ago at his a that's not a good one to get. But anyway, all right. We'll get for him. It's a lot of money to win on jeopardy. I I hope they replay it at some point they ever rerun jeopardy. Like, I don't think they they do rerun during the kind of the summer months. Yeah. During the summer, months, or whatever, it's the offseason. There's also sites online that you can go and just watch. Right. Yeah. And for all of you that are sending me your own mock schedules. That was my last thing for the day. I don't really wanna see him. This is like Cooley qualley has only pissed me off once and the length of time that I've known him 'cause we have been friends for a while. Even before we started to do the show together. We were good friends. And it was when I did my mock schedule on the show for the first time with him. And then he's like, oh, wait a minute. We're not done yet. I did my own mock schedule, and I said, no, no that's not your bit. That's my bit. I don't come in here and do a film breakdown. Right after you do your film breakdown. That's your bit. My bit is the mock schedule, and he did not relent. He's like, no I'm doing, and he was he was a petulant child that Dan the show. I'm like, no, you're not doing it. And then he goes, I am going to do it. And he just kept talking right through me. And he didn't even have the right opponents when he started. Doing it. But anyway, I don't you can send him to me. I'm kidding. I don't really care. But if you wanna see the mock schedule it is now officially up on the on the website to Kevin Sheehan, show dot com. And I think we are one week away from the NFL schedule being released. It's gonna be there next Wednesday or Thursday. I believe it will be released and then we can talk about. Oh, there we go. We're gonna win their we're gonna lose their we're gonna win their up. We got ourselves to eight and maybe nine and seven maybe nine seven anyway, thanks to Smoot. Thanks to Joe Benedi. Scott's gonna be on the show tomorrow. Gregoire shitski is gonna be on the show tomorrow to preview caps canes as well. And then Steve sands will join us from gust on Friday Scott's and Gusta as well. So we'll do some golf tomorrow in the first round by the time. You hear the show will be underway at that point. But we'll still talk Scott live. Not live. But he will be in Augusta. When we interview him tomorrow have a great day.

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I Hate the Fins No. 24 - Draft Recap and Rosen Chatter

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I Hate the Fins No. 24 - Draft Recap and Rosen Chatter

"You're listening to I hate the Finns this episode twenty four. Thank you. Welcome name is Keith happy to have you. I'm joined by my co host. Zach all touch base with him in a second. This is pretty much draft fallout week everyone talks about what their team did, or didn't do over the course of the weekend, Thursday through Saturday. If you're a dolphin sandwich, if you're tune this show, I'm going to assume that you are. There's a lot to talk about. So Zack where it will just move right into because I want to try to keep this show within the within the I guess you'd say scope of about three hours. So for Thursday night comes, we all expected, you and I. Calamari would go number one. He did even after the talk earlier in the week that it wasn't going to happen. It happens. Not only that they'll actually, let me stop it. Stop everything for a second. Let's do this. Instead, I want to congratulate you because I don't think we've talked about this you in January accurately predicted the dolphins first round pick, which is Christian Wilkins. We'll get to him in the second and then as soon as Cuyler Murray was hemming in hiring over whether he was gonna play baseball or not. You thought I one of the dolphins could poach Josh Rosen. And they did that was also in January. So if you'll you need to just quit the internet at this point, because it's never gonna love to. I would love to. It's, it's good to know that I have peaked internet wise at twenty six and it's all downhill from here in how the game plan is hopefully, I don't make it to thirty so there ain't much longer. Nafta internet Flor right than you pick the right time to Pete. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about your down ears. So. Like I was saying. So we didn't believe we talk about this is we, we didn't buy the whole of Mary isn't gonna go number one thing we call that total crap. It was he went number one. And then for a little while it was chock there. And then Oakland made it interesting. And then that story comes out today that the raiders wanted to trade down with the dolphins. See, I feel like previous incarnations of dolphins front office would've made that deal to it would've traded up to four. They did at this time. Cleveland Farrell goes to the Oakland Raiders at for soon to be the Las Vegas raiders at some point. I mean you've seen the Daniel Jones thing all the videos of giants fans losing their minds that want the one dude, who's like giving himself, a wedgie, is it wearing Umbro shorts with Landon Collins, t shirt, I'm not sure about that combination. It doesn't work out the way that most people would expect it to fail. So everything fault. The Packers take Rashawn. Gary the board totally falls away. The dolphins want it to and Lou true to what you thought they go Christian Wilkins. They go for the stud interior guy. So what do you think now that we've talked about? He could be a dolphin. Now he is in how you feel about it. I mean, I feel the same way when we had the conversation of could be a dolphin. You know all the stars align. And, and it makes sense from not only a, a scheme player kinda need standpoint, but, but a locker room like the, the culture that Flora's is trying to set and bring in. That's those are the kind of guys that you want. And you know, I think there's a chance that he's a better person off the field than he is on the field. And he's a pretty damn good player on the field. So at the end of the day in oh, there's people that I've heard that don't care for it. It's not the sexiest pick is the biggest need. I still think as much as I love God Shaw, and I, I really like Vincent Taylor. And they also have Spence, I don't think the defensive tackle position was ever solved at any point. Is it a sexy as an edge rusher? No. But I mean Christa Wilkins played everything from a six seven kind of technique all the way down to a zero one kinda guy. So at the end of the day, depending on what they looked to do moving forward, which none of us really know at this point, it could be playing anywhere on that defensive front, you know. And I think if you want. To play him on early downs, as like a an outside five tech. And then put God Shaw and Taylor in the middle. Like really say look like we are stopping the run on this play. You could do that if you want to. But again at the end of the day he's just a really good player. Really good skill set. And he's a really good person. So I thought that was well received there's a night just kinda I made the mistake I was avoiding Twitter for the most part because I didn't want vendor spoilers because I knew I was going to be able to see until Saturday. But I still got baited in once they took Wilkin those like I will. Go ahead will interact a little bit. See what happens. Most people seem to really like it. Some people were really down on the fact that they didn't take Dwayne Haskins. Which I expected but I also didn't expect them to take Dwayne. Haskins saw I was ready for that. So go ahead. And we'll use that to say way fast forward to Friday Friday afternoon. It comes out while Friday morning really comes out that the dolphins are the team. Hottest in pursuit of Josh Rosen who now is out of a job at sensually because Murray is taking over with cliff Kingsbury in Arizona. And if you go ahead and we'll backtrack to Thursday night, the other two teams that were supposedly players in the Rosen. Saga if you will where the giants and the Redskins and they both drafted quarterbacks in the first round Thursday night, Daniel Jones at six for New York. And then Washington didn't even have to trade over Dwayne Haskins. Like our own thought they would they got him at fifteen. So now again, fast forward to Friday all the dolphins. Biggest competition is out of the way as far as we know we're hearing now that New England was a player. I don't know. I don't know if that's true. And I don't really care personally, but at that point Miami's essentially betting against or bidding against themselves because Aaron had no leverage area drafted the quarterback. They didn't try to shop him at the combine like most teams in the situation would look to do because you had the number one pick you have nothing to hide for many, adding one, you don't have to disguise things. It's not like you're worried about the team in front of you. There's no team in front of you. It's you. So. Things get interesting Thursday night, or excuse me, Friday night, and the dolphins are sitting there, forty eight and then riser about to pick the trade down. They trade with the, the saints and they fall, the way down to sixty two, which is two spots away from the end of the second round. So you're look you're pretty much near the end of the second round. Now you get twenty twenty two which everyone's talking about how great the twenty twenty draft is clearly Miami believes that because they've started to acquire picks like the dickens for that draft. I think they packaged the fourth this year to the saints for that. So now they've diluted the value of their second round pick. And now you're sitting at sixty two and I'm thinking what's going to happen here. Because still no Rosen dill, and then. Right. As they're about to hit the clock. You see come through that Josh Rosen. His in fact, a Miami dolphin now to again backtrack a little bit. Rosen was my favorite offensive player last year I made no bones about the head. A lot of people. Argue with me about that. And I understood there points against it. Everyone had a favorite. But I don't understand. I've seen some people bring this up. The magazine like the, the dolphins gave up too much, first of all, what do you think of getting Josh Rosen and second of all, is there such thing as giving up too much in this situation when you just gave up a, a low site round pick for a guy who went number ten overall last year? Definitely a fan of the, the Rosen move in my quarterback rankings for last year's class. It was Baker Rosen. And then I have Lamar Jackson behind rose by just a hair just because of his versus skill set there. But the day I, I can't comprehend. Even if you do like the draft pick math on it, how you can consider it a bad deal because even if it wasn't for a potential franchise QB, if you factor in the saints pick and the pick of the eventually gave up for Rosen with that fourth two saints included. And then you kind of think about also like oh, yeah. The cardinals also gave up a third and a fifth last year to move up in front of the dolphins to take him. Like if you just simply do the draft pick math, which you could technically do. But using that trade chart thing, the dolphins made out, really, well, you out on top of that, that they could potentially have a franchise quarterback that was drafted one pick ahead of where they took Minka last year, which makes you essentially say that for the sixty second pick this year, which would have less value last year if you were to trade that sixty second picker, whatever at the end of the day that means you got back to back first round picks. So I just have a hard time between. I mean, I'm not a big math person but I think it's pretty simple math. And at the end of the day, you got a potential franchise quarterback. That is at least gonna make this year. Interesting even. If they aren't that good. So what do you think happens? They're just a it's a tough evaluation. Still you're talking about a guy who got pummeled with Arizona last year. Arizona can protect him AirAsia, couldn't couldn't really scheme him up couldn't do anything. And it was it was a mess. And yet, if you look at his numbers for the most part, stay away from his QBR, his numbers are respectable when you consider just the, the smoldering trash fire that was going on in on in Glendale last year. So I mean his numbers are right up there with darnold with Sam darnold. Josh allen. And those guys are considered to have had strong rookie seasons. So I don't get that part of it. But what do you think that the chances are that Josh Rosen? Josh Rosen is the guy and instead of looking for a quarterback next year. The dolphins are playing with draft fund money. I think I think there's a better shot than not that he could be the guy, you know, again going back to looking at the other guys in that class. He definitely feel the ball, regardless of his numbers people get sucked up in the numbers of productions and stuff. But if you go back and look at throws like the one that I sent you earlier tonight like. Josh Allen did not make us roll like that last year. Lamar Jackson did not make it throw like that last year. So, like, I think after Baker, I think darnold, was probably a hair better than Rosen throwing the ball wise. But I mean Rosen's still the third best thrower out of those five guys even on a terrible team last year. So, you know, at the end of the day, I think it's hard to evaluate him there, I think it is still going to be hard to potentially evaluate him this year because there's not much ofensive line help right now. I think his weapons are better in Miami, I think fits is down to the level where Kenny stills his as constantly played at, but at one point fits, was a, a star player that I think a healthy Albert Wilson is definitely better than Christian Kirk, who is who is. Just finally coming on the end of the year last year. I know you hope koseki can can pull together and give him a good tight end option. But at the end of the day, you know, I, I think it's going to be a tough evil this year. I think the thing that tricky about this is people keep talking in terms of, you know, well, if he's no good this year draft a guy in twenty twenty which is totally a possibility. They have not made enough of a commitment, or gave up enough to say that, like not know Joshua's our guy forever. So at the end of the day is a possible, they have the first pick or you know, a top three pick and decide like we want the top pick to get a quarterback that they do it in two thousand twenty totally possible point you still have one of the best youngest cheapest backup quarterbacks in the league, I honestly, think it's more likely that they'll go into next draft. Give rose in two years. And I think it's a smarter bet that if you're gonna head, you're on a future draft class, you keep building draft capital to go after Lawrence in twenty twenty one way smarter move in my opinion. Right. And that Nick sons in I've, I've seen it from a couple of people. I love the Rosen move. Obviously, I think that on just a natural thrower of the football. But the one thing I noticed in, if you watched his and I caught a couple of his games last year, the aside, from the fact that he'll shell shocked at times, which I would expect from a rookie who's getting pounded out there. You just look late in a lot of his decision making in his reads and whatnot. And that's something where I feel like having Jim. Call Bill in the building and to a lesser Senate working in shadow Shays offense, I think is going to be huge for him because I mean he still needs to be coached up here. I mean he's still in my opinion in terms of, of a mental progress still. I guess the word or the phrase is looking for is he still a work in progress. He still raw there. I mean there's a lot to work with. I mean like he is just such a natural thrower of the football, though. The perfect comparison period. And I totally agree with it is he throws like Troy Aikman ball and I have to end. I'm with you one hundred percent on that one. Because when he does let it fly. It does look like Troy Aikman, let it go. So I like I like his chances though. I gotta be honest. I mean there's, there's a lot that could work against him in that I mean, he could be in this situation again, next year for all we know. I mean that's not that's not outside the realm of possibility. But if you look at a lot of the stuff that went wrong for him in Arizona last year, a lot of that is correctable all of it is correctable. I mean, it's stuff where I mean Jim call was going to get him into a routine, and I mean when a routine. Lifestyle routine in terms of how you purchase the quarterback position. I mean like there's going to they're going to work on discipline. They're going to work on establishing on how much time you allowed to everything in your life in terms of approaching the quarterback position. I know he started do that in Arizona. He's really into a now, Jim call will and I think all that's gonna benefit him. But in terms of talent, the sky's the limit is just a an I don't understand the whole character concern thing I had to laugh forget where the story came from, but they're talking about how he's we've seen it before to the Trump hat, does something that got him in some hot water with people because all of a sudden, now, he's a he thinks or he speaks his mind. He speaks freely going after under armor and just corporate sponsorship, when he was at UCLA was a, a move that I would say did not go over well, but they said that one of his character concerns is that he asked a Dita's. Who he signed to the what was it that to make him cleats? That were made out of recyclable materials. And that was considered. I like a sketch move on his part or something. Yeah. I mean, he, he cares about the environment. So, you know, that's an issue. I guess, but, like I just I just find it extremely comical. And like this just tells you how salty Pissy the dolphins fan base is is that like for so long. Everyone just hated tannehill. You had all those people that hit hated tannehill because tannahill was a robot and gays loved them. Essentially because he was just a yes man. Like, okay, daddy gave like I'll do whatever you want. And now like now you get the guy that's the exact opposite. And like what people are like we don't wanna frigging robot and like that's easy. Exact opposite in there. Like all like he's too over spoke at, like there's an issue with that. Now that rant mode is deserved. Have we ever used the phrase deady gays on the show? No. I'll make a t shirt. She need to get this started. I I've daddy gays. That was not. That's what case wanted. And like you're already starting to hear stuff out of jet stuff that like geeses back in, like, it's my show or the highway kind of thing, where it's like dude. Like just I thought you would learn I thought you would grow realize your mistake of, like, okay? Look like I did some things wrong. I need to tweak here to have success and to be a professional at the level that I want to be up like obviously hasn't changed. So again, I I loved Ryan tannehill. But, you know, it is what it is. And I just can't please dolphins unfortunately just as what it no, no. You can't it seemed like things with Ryan tannehill just could never get on on track all at the same time. Like he'd be he was having a great sea or a very good season. And then the ne- thing happened or you know early in his career he gets you get hooked up with Joe Philbin, the suppose. A quarterback whisper who proved to be anything, but there's just a lot of there's gonna unfortunately, if you're a dolphin saying, looking back on Ryan tannehill. I think there's a lot of whatevs AMI like it could have been could have been a good player for them long term. But I mean that's as neither here, nor there now because they have I mean, we all agree that Josh Rosen is a flat out upgrade over what they had the quarterback position over the last twenty years. I mean that's one thing I don't think people realize this is the best quarterback. You've had under centers since Dan Marino. That's a relative statement, by the way, I'm not saying he's anywhere close to Dan. But they've had a lot of trash under center. I mean like with apologies to my guy, Jay feeler Levy, Jay. But I mean there is just not been good. And the funny thing is they find another quarterback. They find a first round quarterback in the second round with this trade. But typically, this is a team that's tried to find their guy in the second round and that's an exhausting list of guys like John Beck, and Chad Henny. And I mean, patois doesn't really count because you as a supplement really, but it's it's been a never ending cycle for these guys. But I think that Josh Rosen is going to be fun in Miami. I'm looking forward to it. And if you really want to get deep with this one, I think he's actually good for football because I think what turns off some millennials when it comes to the NFL is it at times can come off as, like a meat market sport where it just plug in people, and then they just go about it. And then that's it. You know, you don't have a lot of personality there. I think that's why. A reason why somebody like Patrick Mahomes, even though Patrick Mahomes is an outspoken guy. He's loud on the field. He does crazy stuff. You know, it's almost like an an when mixed tape with that guy sometimes, but it's fun like it brings a vibrant element to the NFL, which I mean personality wise, can get a little stuffy, sometimes. So, like, I'm cool with it. He's not saying anything outrageous, maybe talks about the environment or you want to talk about, you know, diversifying his, his stocks in his portfolio, and everything. You know whatever that's fine. If that's what you're interested in. But the way he handled that situation air Zona. He clearly loves the game football because I don't think anyone would go through that kind of thing and try to save face the way that he did most people would have just been like, you know, screw this. I'm not I'm not dealing with us, but he handled it. Well, God, I want to know is, I wish we could have Steve Smith on this podcast. So I could you know, talked him a little bit about Rosen and then ask him how he feels about Tara. Doc hill. I'm sure you would say great things about to kill because he doesn't unfold teams on Instagram, but tyreek hill is a fucking piece of shit and still in the league. But what he, he goes on a rant on the draft coverage about a young man unfolding a team that is gonna post nothing but Cuyler stuff for the next month and a half, like, are you kidding me? Wake. I just remember watching that live. And I was like, what is happening like, and that's why NFL network to while we're on the topic has just slowly gone downhill, too, 'cause they bring in guys like Steve Smith, m j d these past players that don't really know anything. I don't have anything to actually contribute, besides dumb nonsense, like that. And then people just like sign off and go, like, yeah, I think I'll watch the weird ESPN coverage on ABC next year because like as much as I love rich and the guys like I'm not seeing dumb Steve Smith nonsense. No. And I don't have NFL network anymore. Coz, I stream. Now, we know through Hulu under the impression I had that channel. So I actually watched it on. ESPN. When for the first time in. Since probab- at the last time I watched the ESPN draft coverage would probably be two thousand eight so it's been a while the a lot of us are old enough to remember when Steve Smith was in the NFC championship game with Carolina and they're playing there in Seattle. So this is two thousand five January two thousand six and he just enact game was such a diva at points was just ignoring John FOX just the kind of stuff that he's essentially killing Josh Rosen for. So some of us are remember that Steph Steve your year. History is checkered at best when it comes to this topic, maybe maybe sh. So I don't I don't understand. I thought that that and I mentioned this to you that, that whole rant seemed very forced. And maybe they just want to go ahead and, and create headlines. It seems like that's what he is or NFL network wants to do these days. Anyway, they just want go make, I don't think it was necessarily forced because it's like Steve Mariucci was like w f what the hell is going on here. So I feel like it wasn't forced. It was like actually spur of the moment. I just think Steve Smith has some other stuff potentially going on. And he maybe it was having a rough day. And that's just kinda what set him off. But you also remember Steve Smith is the guy that also punched a dude on his team in the face in the lunch line because of something that was a little impicitly for him. So just because he is not on social media, and he feels like he's old school or whatever. He doesn't need to be addict for no reason. Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was like my, my take on when I watched it, I was just like, oh, man. He's been sitting on this for a while. So here we go. It was almost like he's had to listen to talk about Roseanne for a year, and he was like, well, I'm just gonna unload here. So I think I think maybe he had Rosen stuff preplanned in his mind. But I don't think it was like network plan because like no all the stuff that moves and those guys have done like mooch was just like what the hell is going on? And I've never seen him like that which is too bad because NFL network used to be all about, like the analysis and everything like their draft analysis used to be so good. Like in the network started in, like fall two thousand three. I remember like there are two thousand five coverage like they were bringing down the running backs. It was a really good. And I came away from that thinking that because I wasn't sure which running back I like the most, and I came away from that thinking, yeah. I think like Ronnie Brown so helpful at that point. They don't really offer that anymore. That's not really a service. They provide. So we're in agreement. We like Roseanne I'm excited. He's got his number three that's going to be cool. I'm I'm hoping that his presence gets guys like sticky gone, which by the way mentioned he changed number eighty eight which is the if you're a great dolphins tight end you should wear number eighty eight. Yeah, I fired. I don't think they should let receiver touch at number. Personally when Karoo was wearing it. I was like get that off him. I kind of liked crew. I feel like eight cool receiver number tight end or wide outnumber, regardless. Karoo Karoo just never made it happen. No. I love the number. But I feel like in Miami. Like, when I think of. Yeah, bandage each action. So the disguises as killing in that number. So all right. Let's go in and back off the Rosen thing, a little bit just because there's plenty of other stuff to talk about. So there are other picks made great news. In another guy we had been talking about. I want to say as far back as last fall, Michael deeter now a Miami dolphin moving around, and played left tackle, it won't point at Wisconsin, and then did work at center. Br guy where I mean, I like him as guard, I think his best position might be center actually, but the ideas that he can play multiple positions. And I think he's a really good. Get. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means. How it's made and why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture switched on pop. Won't reveal for you. 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He's a guy I think they're trying to bring a think some of these picks that they made especially round three in on reflect some of the things that worked well in New England that they would like to try to replicate on a base level to create that, that base to start with because I mean as soon as they picked deeter, I was just thinking shack Mason, you know what they turned shack Mason into up there in New England because shack Mason was a dude that played in that. Wishbone BS, Georgia Tech, offense was a Mahler run blocker pass walking was fine. I think is a better pass blocker to be honest. But at the end of the day, I think they're trying to replicate their own shack. Mason. Yeah. I agree with that. And it's Mahler is definitely the the ammo for what they're looking. They're looking at right now. And I mean, let let's be on his after however, many years of trying to go the finance route. I kind of like. I kind of like the idea of going back and just getting dirty if so, I mean, I, I'm all for it. I think Michael, I love Wisconsin guys. I don't wanna go much go too much into this. We talk about this all the time. Wisconsin guys. In addition to great talent bring a great attitude in my opinion to lay typically when those guys are on your team. Like there is just I mean just a lunch pail attitude with those guys. I mean like they're willing to do the dirty work. There's nothing they're not divas about stuff unless you're John Mafa, that was low weird, but he comes in and like I said, I like I think I like most of the center, but I think he'll probably do just fine at left guard, too. Yeah. I think I think he'll end up sticking at guard just because they right now they seem to light Kilgore. Which I was hoping they'd upgrade their center position. But at the end of the day, I think Kilgore is serviceable. But I, I think I think you wedge him between Tunsil. And you put him next to Kilgore who can help him out his first year. And that's a really good recipe for success on the left side of your line, right side. I don't know what the Fs gonna happen there. But left side looking good. I mean even though we're kind of jumping across picks a little bit. What do you think of prince? He's fine. I think he he's a pretty good run. Blocker, I think he has more functional strength than bench press kind of numbers will give you he feels like a less good version of the Taylor Deckers that have come out of Ohio State before I think, at the end of the day, he's probably more likely a. Extra swing tackle Magai that you just always have on your roster. He's always your number three tackle, which isn't a bad thing to have a where they took him. I think that's fine. I think people that think that he may be a starter even year two or whatever, that's, that's a little extreme for me. I was blown, we, they missed out on David Edwards. The good news though. They seem to be Wisconsin guys in this draft through. I wonder for that going forward. But you seem to be a fan of van winkle. Yes. So I think again, like I talked about with deeter shack Mason. I think they're trying to replicate their own Kyle van noy. It's just a coincidence, that he has the van in his name. I think. And it was funny because I didn't do a lot of work on him because between him and Conley. There were both pretty banged up in in and out during their time. It was constant so I figured, you know, they're going to be six or seven kinda rounders, maybe even undrafted free agents, and I just did not have the time this year to do the work that I usually do. But so I went back and watched him because everybody was saying, like, oh, yeah, he's, he's a good. You know, thirty four outside linebacker pass rusher kinda guy and he can develop from there. That's not what he is at all. He's, he's an okay pass rusher. He doesn't have a lot of pass. Rushing moves a one move. He does have though is that, that four step, cutting spin, you know, cut with the inside arm spin back inside. He got guys every now in, in with that which is nice. But when that's your only main move that's like a real back pocket. You know, fourth fifth kind of move in my mind because you can't be. Spinning all the time like it's just not is not practical at the end of the day. But what he does really well. Is he covers really, really well at it's not like Kiko Alonzo coverage where it's like good job covering that patch of grass, my friend. You did a good job. I'm proud of you like legitimately covers like shuts down throwing lanes makes plays on balls. He had a pick six that was exactly the same as the Jerome Baker one this past year against the jets. Which was great to see. And then he had another interception where the, the tackle tries to cut him. And he he's just like, no, that's not happening. And then what's the ball thrown? He just has the length athleticism to snag, it and come down with it. So I mean, I think. I think he's going to be a guy that they're going to try to work into be your forty three over under kinda guy depending on what side he technically plays, but he's a guy that you could put on the edge there. If you wanted to run that Krishna Wilkins as your five tech put him next to him. And then from there, either blitz them, UP them off or whatever you wanna do. I think at the end of the day, if they get the most out of him, he could be your, your maybe not to the same start of level is exuding Howard. But he could be a guy that, you know, three years down the line. People are looking back where they're like, oh, this was a wasted pick by Miami. And he he's one of our top linebackers. Do you think the dolphins heady remained on the board? Do you think they would have taken? One of the. That's that's new topic for debate. A lot of people wonder if New Orleans or if New England jumped up to take him because they thought that the because I mean let's face it everyone's a little in tune with what we want right now. So, so what do you think? I don't know, people, people started coming around on one of its towards the end of the draft process there. But, like everything, I saw regardless of combine numbers is like he's just an extremely high motor guy that that has three or four moves in his pocket. So against the lesser big ten competition. He looked really good. And he's also one of those guys that because of that motor picks up two or three sacks year just on like quarterbacks shitting bricks as he, he chases him now. That's all there is to I think he's good. I don't know if Miami would have gone that route 'cause all the guys that they were looking at as edgy is. There were looking at length that was one of the biggest things was late. And that's something that he doesn't have at all. And I mean, like what's the difference between having him and just getting Charles Harris to do what he needs to do? You know what I'm saying? You think that they can because as another topic that's been, I've, I think, for debate as in something that's been discussed frequently in the past couple of days, I've seen is the fact that they're going to try to use Charles Harris, the way that New England would try use Charles Harris, which is stop trying to make him a defensive end. Yeah. I think I think they will put him in a better position to to be successful. Charles Charles Harris. I think you do see him lining up the end. It's at a two point stance. And they're gonna they're gonna scheme him to have help from the inside in Casey does get pushed out. But so I think they get more out of him. I definitely not the biggest Charles Harrison. So at the end of the day. I don't think you get the twenty second overall pick worth out of him. But I think he's a guy that you can get enough out of him that if come contract time, you can pay him, like a third pass rusher than it might be worth it. I don't think they're going to turn him around. He's going to become a superstar anything come. Oh, that's too bad. I mean I wasn't a huge fan of that pick. But thought that they might be able to do something with it. Would you just I mean while we're talking about Mizzou guys chain raise just kind of kicking around out there. Would you take a chance? Why would I lie? Charles Harris now bless list, less enjoyable Charles Harris teaboy. Yeah. No, I mean. Yeah. No, I mean, most of those, Missouri guys they're outside of your Kony ealy is. And who's the other while the actually had some length Alden Smith? Most of those guys are like that, like they advertise them as six four. They're more. Realistically, like six three in, you know, three eighths. Their arm length is in as long as you'd like it to be. But that's just based on being six three compared to being sold a six four six five. They all have a good first step, because that's like the main thing out of their system. But all they ask those guys to do is be two point stance. Pass rushers most of the time, and that's, that's all there is to it ITO. Because most of the time, they, they I've seen Missouri run where they just essentially stack their linebackers in nickel with both guys kinda lined up on like an outside aid out, look. And then they have both their defensive tackles and three tax or like inside shade fours. Like so they, they run like a wild NASCAR package sometimes. And they've been so bad for so long that like they're chasing teams twenty four seven so at the end of the day, I, I don't think he Missouri pass rusher is going to be high on my list, unless they come with other attributes outside of that typical norm that they look for you guys at the edge. I get my God. There were so many lame white edge players, this year, that I wanted so bad. Just because they set the edge. Yeah. Well, I was bonuses Zack Allan. Yeah. Zona was air. Yeah. Of course or John Kaminsky, John Kaminski's. The other guy wanted out in Charleston. I liked him about to a guy that I was surprised that they didn't push for. But they kind of lost the opportunity to after they dealt that fourth round pick to the saints was a max Crosby out of eastern Michigan. Yeah. And draft dad went out and got him. So, you know, he's going to be a good pick. Trapped ahead. So would you think of taking a fullback? I mean I love full box. I think they're awesome. You know, and it's one of those things where. I don't think they're going to be running the atom geese get your running backs into space kind of stuff, you know zone. You know, hitter acquitted kind of stuff I think they are going to try to play a little bit more powerful ball but modernized power football. And right now, if you really think about it, the dolphins don't have a h- your running back on their roster. They have a lot of like scap that kinda guys unit only sledgehammer. No. Like like you could sell me on Kenyan Drake working out of the slot. More than like, I'm going to run you through the gap. You know what I'm saying? You know, and then Killa Balaj I think Caleb law shows you some good stuff. But even coming out of Arizona state. I was just perplexed because the dudes like six two six three whatever he is, you know, two hundred thirty five pounds and do ran like. Tinker bell. You know, like he was way, more finesse than power, so at the end of the day, he's, he's a guy that yet catches the ball, while out of the backfield for a guy that size moose pretty agile for a guy that size. But, like I haven't ever seen him low or the shoulder. Unlike punters somebody, so, you know, he has a little bit more meat to do the inside stuff. But will he can he? While we're on running back, so we can talk about their last pick miles Gaskin. I loved that Washington. You know, I don't know if I sent it to you at one point, but I was super confused in this draft. Because the biggest thing that Montgomery out of Iowa State was being sold on was like experience, and he carried that program. He has a lot of taken off of his tires. But, like he really cared that program and it's just like all right. Miles Gaskin did the same thing too, but because he's not know five eleven two hundred thirty pounds. There's a difference. And at the end of the day mouse gas can gives you way more on the passing game than a David Montgomery ever will, you know, I think the same thing for Justice hill who went to Baltimore. They're just guys that carried their their programs when they were handed the ball, they did what they needed to do. And actually we were talking about the size of the Kaelin Balaj a Kenyan Drake, not much smaller, because he rolls, what two six one. He's about to ten to fifteen. So I think he might have gone up to like two sixteen to two eighteen at one point two. So. Yeah, he's not that much smaller. No, they're not. They're not quaint back there for sure. Is going to be interesting to see how their philosophy philosophy differs this here in terms of how they handle their backfield I love the miles gas compare other way. So I'm gonna go and put you on the spot a little bit because why not? I'm just gonna ask you some questions, you can be as brief or as elaborate as like some Scopus himself out there, right vests pick for the dolphins best within a week after or best long-term just well, it's got to be. I mean, let's go ahead and do term, in terms of like this is this is a big. I think, regardless is the safest once easily Christian Wilkins, I think he's going to be on this team for a decade and he's going to run that locker room and he's going to give you multiple pro bowls and everything you want. Wow. So there they've got their franchise guy inside and they can build around that now. Yeah. I mean and you've got fits on the back end. Like you got a franchise guy upfront. You got a franchise guy in the back. I think hopefully they lock up ex who should be a franchise guys while also. But defense has some nice cornerstone pieces. Learned thing too. I mean if you're going, I mean, they're not paying Josh Rosen, elm thing now is there what six million dollars over the next crazy? Stupid low for paying a corvette even rookie scale quarterback like that. So because of stuff like that you can afford to lock box. This is how an NFL teams do it now. And I mean, that's one thing, a lot of people haven't talked about, like, how it this move further allows them to lock their dudes up because and if Rosen is there guy enemy, and you're able to 'cause there's a fifth year option in their tutors. So I mean that's pretty much. The Kanawha cheat code as far as I'm guessing one hundred percent. I realize you're ninety slash two thousand kids. So I don't know how familiar are with Kanani code. I don't mean to throw stuff out there like that. So all right, the pick you you'd like the least this week. I liked the lease this weekend. Man. That's a tough one because I do like all them. I, I guess it would technically have to beat Cox, 'cause he's a fullback and I think he will provide the lease as I can't even say least versatility over the course of his potential dolphins career because he had a wildly Vercel career at Auburn for a place that used to just lineup fullback since they go kill. Because there's if you go look the guy that's the PF guy the lead for the dolphins. He put out a thing that, you know, primarily, he saw the most snaps a fullback. So the second most snaps at actually, like tight end in line. And then he saw snaps in the slot legitimately as a running back and technically as a quarterback, running their Auburn, while B S. So I mean he just has to be the least favorite pick, just because I like the other guys more. Despite a fault, that's fine. The most underrated selection the dolphins made this weekend. That's tough too. 'cause 'cause I think Gaskins is a great player and I think he's going to be a steady player. But again, I think Andrew van gingko has the opportunity to become a Calvin noy, and I think he could become it sooner in his career Lynn cow van noy was because he struggled so long in Detroit there. So if they can get the most out of him, I think he'll be unbelievably underrated where people are saying right now that, like, oh, that's kind of a waste of pick. I thought he'd be like a seventh round pick like undrafted free agent. We are essentially patriots south. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Which I mean if you're gonna if you're going to copy any team, honestly, it's it should be them. I'm surprised more teams haven't tried to do it just based on their, their ratio of success to failure in base on how no one in the league ever seems to be able to figure those guys out long-term. So least of all of us. Anything else you want to get out there next week. We'll talk about the undrafted free agents. We're trying to keep this thing within an hour or already at forty five minutes. Yeah. Honestly, I know you're good. I was just gonna say, I could talk about Josh Rosen all day. Yeah, I don't think people realize how big that acquisition is people talk about the character flaws. Whatever even when people on NFL network, talk about I saw you had guys like David card, chiming in and everything, and they sound like they haven't watched any of this. Like it's like they re they read an article, and then they're basing their opinion on that, like he kept talking about perceived, how people have perceived, Josh Rosen attitude, and then the realities of his attitude, and I mean, not in a good way now just thought like what the hell are you talking about, like no one seems to want to read anything into this, and they just wanna go ahead and just shoot from the hip, so I don't get that part of it. I'm excited though. Because the upside is big time. And I think this team does have weapons. I'm hoping that what they've been able to do with the offense of line. Peter will make a difference getting Kilgore healthy will be a big deal. I would still like to add some pieces in there. I don't think we have a long-term right tackle right now. So, and that's why I was a little bunks. I thought David Edwards could be that kind of guy. But I mean that's not guarantee either you don't know that. But that's just kind of how I felt going through the the draft this weekend. That was a big Edwards fan. I honestly we wanted to take all the Wisconsin is like Ben show. Then shell had what like twenty some suitors like because he was like people were all around people, I think there were people that were definitely perplexed of like how's this guy not drafted at all? Like not even the seventh round flyer on him. I didn't get it. He ends up going with Detroit. So they're better off, or that I like that guy. A lot love. Deeter was my. I will say, I think you're is probably my favorite guy on that line. I like him a lot. I'm and obviously, retires my favorite. I when I went back to watch more film, I was just like who's this guy, just destroying these poor human beings, like like pancake, and guys every single plows like who's sixty seven again, as like Diesen, I was just super super bum that he retired. Like if your body's breaking down, man, like I want you to live a long happy, life, not Zack's happy that you may be the right tackle for them next year. Yeah. I get it. I'm glad I plot them for making that decision because that can't be easy not at all. I mean walking away from a sport that he's probably been playing for the, you know, the last, what twelve thirteen fourteen years of his life, I applaud them for that. Yeah. I think it's just going to be so much fun with this team now. And I, I love the mix of getting Rosen in there with Caldwell as at quarterback coach and overall, I guess you'd say kind of guru, I'm excited to see what channel shade does what the offense because I loved the idea of bringing some of those patriot concepts. Almost like abstract thinking to, to an NFL offense. I'm excited for stuff like that. And I mean, let's give Chris Kirker Greer credit. I, I mean, I'll ask you in a second, but I thought he'd killed this draft. But what grade would you give here the worst at I was hoping we surround the whole draft great thing. 'cause draft rates are so stupid. They are. But they the reason they are is because they usually come from stupid people. Yeah. You watched everything I think people value your opinion Amdo saying, like if you had to throw a great on it, and just watching it over the weekend. I said Zach how did you feel about what you just watched? What do you say, if I had to give it the stupid draft letter grade. I think I'd give it probably a minus I think official Wilkins, pick was an a plus again I, I think I think from again and onfield field perspective. You can't do any better. I think the Rosen trade was an a mile given a pluses kind of tough, but it's as close to an a, plus you get because of, I think, not only the fact that they got him. But to the moves that they made with the saints that you have to factor into it, which helped them build more draft capital for next year as well. I just didn't like give it up that fourth round pick because the fourth fifth round for the dolphins has been a sweet spot over the past decade or so. So I, I hate giving up that early days repick. So that's the only reason that's not an a plus I think are really good pick. You know so I'd give the dealer pick, probably like a like a, a b plus a minus kind of thing. I think as much as I love van gingko, I do think that you probably could have got him a little bit later. But if that's the guy that I think is perfect for that system than, you know, at that point yet, you gotta take them where you, you can definitively get him. You know, but so based on value and stuff like that say that picks probably like a CD plus to be honest. And then after that, you hop into the price pick I don't really care for the price picks. That's easily the one we talked at least about to again if he becomes your third swing tackle for the course of his career that ain't bad, especially for what you're gonna pay him. So again, I'd give that one like a c- and then the, the Cox pick a give that like a flat out because I just don't know what they're gonna do back lies yet. So I don't know how valuable and how much contribution he'll make yet. So it's too hard to guess out. No. In the system. And then I'd give the Gaskin pick a like a solid b plus a minus because he'll be the third running back on the roster. Straight out the gate. I don't know how much he contributes in a running back, formless share. I think you wanna see some special teams out of him which I think he could be a really good gunner kinda do some of the Kenyan Drake stuff that he did his first year or two. But at the end of the day, I think it kinda warns that, that a mind is just because one Christian Wilkins was a phenomenal pick and to, you might have a franchise guy Josh Rosen. Yeah. Everyone on Twitter was calling him prince over the the weekend. So I'm just gonna call them prince forever. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I couldn't help it. I just just like well at this point everyone's just going to start calling them prince. So I'm not even comments first name by is air. Anything to me? Real quick. Do you wanna talk about Dalton prisoner? Yeah. I mean like as much as we love doll, I think he went to well, a hate that he went to Denver because that's another place where lineman go to die. But I don't think he's murderer -able. I think he's too good. Overall of a lineman from a strength of technical and a smart standpoint. I mean, the best part is like he gets to go home. You know, do trim Wiggins Colorado. I have a co worker that I worked with. I asked her like where's Wiggins Colorado? She's like it's nowhere. It just doesn't exist. It was like twelve people that live in that town. But so he goes home. He'll be like I think he said he's going to be like two hours away from home and at the end of the day he'll play right away. He'll have a good career and I think that's all there is to it. I'm just happy for him. With that. And this has been our discussion regarding the dolphins twenty nineteen NFL draft. I was pleased Zach was pleased. I hope you guys were to that's gonna do it for this evening. Next week. We're gonna and talk about the undrafted free agents how this team will try to assemble smaller pieces as it gets ready for all the summer camps and all that. Good stuff. In the meantime, thanks for joining us. 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"Saddana show here on ESPN LA. So more bad news for Josh Rosen. The dolphins didn't trade for him. They actually traded out of the pick at forty eight. Which was the pig that the Arizona Cardinals wanted from the dolphins. So those talks broke down the dolphins traded forty-eight won sixteen to New Orleans for sixty two to two and a second round pick next year. I don't get with the saints are doing there. But whatever but Josh Josh Rosen man Podesta. I mean, he is just in a weird weird spot right now, he is in parking, Tori, literally now and not like the fun. Silly purgatory. We do hear from three to three thirty every day. Like, he's entr now, Dave Pasch. So we talked earlier about how. The teams are saying still doing that thing about what not the play doesn't trouble them that the person does again. That's just I mean, man, it pisses me off just to hear that just because is like really because he's smart because he's going to question you like that just dumb to me. So Dave Pasch who works for years one of our college football basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he also does the cardinals radio. Correct. He does their their their games games rice. He's in Arizona. The teams play by play guy. Right. He tweeted Josh Rosen has been the consummate professional well liked by his teammates. And everyone in the organization. I don't know what his negativities coming from about him as a person, you know. And maybe the rep is out there because Jim Mora may have trashes wrapped. Right. But this isn't NFL thing. Well, think about it people who don't know. You know, Josh Rosen. They just you kinda run with a narrative. You just think like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I heard him. Yeah. He's the guy that does. And they don't do their homework. You know, you call one guy you just think oh I've done enough. And if you're not understanding of his teammates and what he's got going on. I it's just not true. And and to me, I call it. Sometimes sloppy journalism as well. Because you're not really leading your sources, go talk. Larry Frigerio, go talk to the guys on the team. Go talk to the people who are actually there because everybody is back in him up this. They've backed him up and like the we're we're watching this play out live to which is always hard to watch. This thing play out. This is this is hard for him to go through this. We watching this is a reality reality show. Yeah. I'm just so glad he's not in a green room right now. You know what? I mean. I think if he's in a green room or something and we're watching because we watched Aaron Rodgers. We why Brady Brady Quinn, right? I mean, that's why they don't put them in there anymore, right different. 'cause he's what happened. Was they don't put the cameras on them as much anymore. Right. They'll show the room, but we're not just going to stick on it. Because I mean, those dues had the live that stuff man for the rest of their life. Those those images can pop right in my man my mind right now. It's just crazy. What's happened to this kid like this kid is legit, man? Like, you're you're a former NFL player saying this dude can play you play. I know he can play in. So and ram traded out again, by the way, again, how many picks they'd pick it up. Now. I don't know. I have not got the compensation yet. They were going to they took over the original pick of the second round pick of the New England Patriots. So the Rams ended up trading again. And it looks like they've tried it. Maybe with the looks like the Bengals if it looks like we may not get a damn Rams pig while we're on the show, we got less than ninety minutes. So right other at fifty-six, Sean and less give us something to work right here. Rams are at pick fifty six which is. Basically almost in the third round the second round almost over. Yeah. Let's go to the phones Andy and Lennox what up Indy. What about this for a heartache yoke and raiders, right? I'm a raider fan. Yes, sir. But check this one out how about into raiders trek in trade their next to draft picks and this draft trade the second for next year and get Josh Rosen that where we have the second quarterback just in case Jon Gruden decided to trade our card for this year. What do you guys think about that? No. You can't trade for quarterback. If you're not gonna play them. You're not trading for quarterback for just in case. You know what? I mean your draft a quarterback for Jessica, you don't trade for that. You're not going to give draft capital for guy, possibly you. Get what I mean. You don't use? It is it goes against what you're doing. If their cars your guy, he's a guy. And if you draft someone you like all, right? Well, we drafted a quarterback kind of in the waiting if you draft a first run or I'm sorry. If you trade for a former first round pick in the National Football League whose only in his second year to me you have to play that guy because you're. Giving up assets to grab a guy. You know? What? I mean, we're we're if they draft a quarterback you say, oh, I get it. Hey, if the guy outplays Derek because one thing so it's a little bit different. I give what you say. And there's still some good football players out there that you're going to turn that around for a quarterback. No, uh-huh. Yeah. I just think that's a little farfetched is what I would say. You know, what I'm saying like? Derek carr. There's look as much as we're talking about poor. Josh rosen. Right. Like dare cars, go, right? Yeah. That's what I said early. I mean, he's the biggest winner for the raiders this weekend. Right. Colin farrell. Yeah. Oh, you can't do that. Now, you this this this part of of the draft. You know, these are good football players who will be starting who will make me last year. I think it was carry on Johnson second round pick for the lions. Running back. Yeah. Trump out some of the other second round picks who played well. And everybody's like whoa way. We didn't see that coming. So you're not gonna trade this pick for next year to get a quarterback down. It's going to sit the bench, and like no, you don't do that. Let me grab Larry knocks. Dr larry. Good real quick our time in and you guys. Are you talking about Josh Rosen how he smells might a analyze them in in correct way. And all that let me say, no, I'm retired massif in the negative off California. And my thing is that I want to saying, but this guy is a professional athlete that was drafted last year in the first round, you if you can't take competition, the guy who prayed base thing. But if you can't stop competition. Is too hot kitchen. You know, he's going to be a whole thing that you guys know, and I got making millions of dollars. You got a guy on in on the economy in this job? You see some coming into take your deathly does he step up and prove that he'd worthy of the job if his worry. Of the job, and guess what? This goes on your big and. Sit back with savings. Yeah. I I hear what you're saying. And I wish that that was true. But it's just not true is just not happening. It's not it's not a true competition. Would Josh Rosen there is no competition. NFL when you draft someone in the first round, especially one overall, there is no competition. That's your quarterback. It ain't no will go out there and compete for. No, that's not what you have that guy to be your quarterback for the future. Josh Rosen is done. That's an that's what everybody know they can go out there and compete for will then if they compete for it and Josh goes out there in wins. The now the whole scouting department. He's be fired because we just drafted first overall pick. But this guy's better. Right. So now, you gotta fire everybody inside the draft. You gotta fire the general manager because he didn't messed up because you could have got another football player. You could have got Nick Bosa at number one. So is a lot. Of moving parts behind it. I get what you said if it was truly a real competition in. Yeah. But we're talking about a guy who just got guaranteed forty million dollars right to go number one overall. That's what his guaranteed money. You mean to tell me forty million dollars? And he may lose his job to the guy who got drafted last year. Right. Then he's everybody's getting fired. This man end up getting fired anyway, but y'all know how to NFL work in. Ain't it ain't true competition. This knows it like, yeah. Exactly. This isn't like, for example, just your regular workplace where you know, if you're let's just us sales as an example. Right. That you're on an even playing field. Right. Y'all get they give you some clients to write with. And then you're building from there. Now, look in some cases that isn't even a fair fight. Right. Because there are some salesrooms, right? Where a specific salesperson. We'll get we'll just use this as an example. Right. One guy. Get Coca Cola MC. Donalds right. And the other guys getting, you know, Joe's barber shopping, and you know, and and fell leap as restaurant. You know, what I'm saying RC cola? That's not the same thing. You get mom and pop yo getting the brand name guys. You're right to just like you broke it down curtain on all these things that have to come together. And with Kyle Murray getting all this money, and he has to be the guy. Josh Rosen is a bright do and he knows that he understands it. He's smart. He's like, look, I don't wanna be a part of the politics. And then think about I gotta go to my my work every day. And that's the first question if you were gonna ask me when. So what do you think about this? Or do you feel like you you've outplayed Cuyler or how's your practice habits? Have the coaches told you anything do they really feel like it's a it's a competition. If you wanna talk about real competition. A better scenario was that the Seattle Seahawks in two thousand and eleven I believe to dozen lever to twelve forget. Whenever Russell Wilson was drafted. They sign met Flynn to a nice contract free agent contract to be their starter. They drafted Russell Wilson. In the third round. They said we're going to have a competition 'cause we don't even have that investment monetary value for Russell Wilson. So, yeah, we'll we'll go out, and we'll have a competition. Russell Wilson beat out. Matt Flint, right? Beat him out right draft pick big third rounder beat them out. That's a real competition. Had it been reverse. I had met Flynn been the quarterback there in all of a sudden Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson was drafted number one overall. Matt Flynn would even had a chance there wasn't a Matt Flynn would not even have the opportunity, and that's what I'm saying. Now, it's the same thing now or even last year with Joe flacco, right Joe flacco was drafted and you used these days we're done. Lamar Jackson got drafted in the first round come home in the writing was already on the wall on brother say thing here in LA well, by way, and was here, but we knew when Jerry golfing one case keenum was just keeping the C warm for when Jared Goff took over. It's just the business of the business of sports. Not just football. Right. It's sports particularly football come on man more. So than any other sport. I think. Let's go to the phones Matt and Long Beach, by the way, we have really short breaks. So which is going to go to like six oh nine. So we're going to go for like twenty five minutes here. When did they who? Quick good. I want to ask you. When did when did Dangelo Russel get traded was after the Lonzo ball pick or was it before? So I just just because of the business of sports somebody drafts a radish round pick high at your position. I'm sorry. That's just that's the way the evaluation goes. Yeah. And magic decided to make that move. It was June. Twentieth. So right before the draft was. Yeah. Yeah. Right before the draft. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They say we're going to draft your replacement. So it was either going to happen before after. But if they drafted Lonzo Indiana seventeen sorry, do drop was taken because they traded him for the picks before the also to remember Kingsbury at crap I hung up. Matt Matt rollback sorry, Keith. Protests is tech. Yeah. He spoke about Kyla murder because he had to play him when they played Oklahoma. Correct. Remember he recruited Murray also out high school. Yes. So he's been on this kid for years. Finally, got his guy. They showed them in the board room before the first pick yesterday in Kingsbury was very happy before they made that first pick in the first pick was murdered. What am I compared to my? So behind the scenes doors. I was comparing the Cuyler Murray for I think cliff Kingsbury was that was the girl in high school, and you always wanted to date her and she never picked you. You know? Right. And then all of a sudden in college you wanted her still, but she never was able you ever never able to catch her on. How you ran into Starbucks? You ran into her out of it. And you know, what you were look I'm looking you're looking boom. And it finally happened, right? That that was cliff kings Burke. Yeah. Finally, it took them awhile. But he got he got her. He got his girl calling on -tario. What up Karl? Look this professional sports. Right. Right. So you go in and you'd be a professional Josh Rosen and you compete for the job if I'm still on the team call let me interrupt for one say competition. This man across from me played in the National Football League. I've been in the same situation. I know who is not is not a fair competition. And I know what you're saying they go out and compete in you hung. I believe in me. But if the in there, and you'd be a professional he was he went into minicamp already on follow your P, also should meet it you still on the team, that's unprofessional. I'm just saying that they just told me by drafting that guy one overall that guys now been guarantee forty million dollars. You're gonna meet you tell me an owner is going to say that forty million dollar investment. Keep him on the bench and play the guy from last year. Let let that let let that let that forty million dollar investment sit camp because I believe me, I'll call. It's just not realistic man that this ain't high school. You know, what I'm saying like in any college, you know, he's a professional. But but it because it's professional the stakes are different totally different totally different. And look, I I wanna believe what you're saying. If it was a fair competition is that America Crecy. Fortunately, I I'm all for it in Josh will be all for it. I think we all preach competition. I wanted competition. Yeah. We all do it. But that competition is different win the guy who's number one overall is forty million dollars guaranteed. Plus, they going gonna start selling these column jerseys. They go start the face of the franchise is already in. Look, I don't know how much you have been looking at the story, but they had a pre draft hype video of the cardinals. Josh Rosen wasn't even in it. I know they added him later. Just it was ridiculous. If you not even filling the love that your organization, I just I look I look you made your decision. No hard feelings. I'm not gonna follow you tour. I'm going to go somewhere. Else and go try somewhere different than where I'm at way, that's unprofessional by the cardinals. Absolutely, no, one calls them out. Why is it that imperfections sports? I've always wondered this question, and maybe someone can answer this for me. Maybe you can maybe someone in the audience can on Twitter or on the phones. Why is it that would it comes to professional sports the fans who are the working class tend to back the owners, and the coaches and the GM's who are the bosses the employers as opposed to the working class. I have never understood that. And I will never understand that you want to hear this George you want to hear something funny can someone explain that to know lie. That's the case. Like, I'm always for the little guy. Let's go. So. This is always funny and people don't understand how they're so shielded by the owners. So if a player signs a contract, right, George, and he holds out and says man, I want more money than that. Everybody says, oh, he selfish thinking about himself. Right. But the team will sign a guy to a long term contract. Right. And then they'll cut the player. Right. And instead of the team saying, oh, you know, what we don't want to give him any more money. What are they always say by cutting him? We're saving thirty five million on our cat. Right. And it's cool for them to do that. And everybody's I o. Oh, we're we're saving by getting rid of this guy. But at the same time before if he holds out you've met at him. But if you cut them and say, oh, we're saving money. I don't I never got that. But that's the way that the owners have played the game against the players that in the in the fans have bought into that. I don't understand why that's the case that in professional spo-. It's the one place where the working class roots for the big guy. We roots for the owners roots for management like I don't understand that. Now, we're not break. We're going to there. We have short breaks. Okay. My bad. We're going to break. Because Rams are finally. Yes. The Pigazia or there on the on the clock. Okay. Finally, finally, good Lord. Look. We're just saying there prematurely. Yeah. They can fix away. Then they could be trading. Don't they could be the clock. They could nuts Madden's just pick Matt in Long Beach this time. I'm not hanging up on you. I'm sorry. Are no problem. No problem is if you've got a quick question, I know drafted. The question about the Lakers. All right. Do you think? Jalen rose will be a good coach for them. Listen Jana rose might do. Jalen rose, Juwan Howard. Okay. Janna rose my dude. Okay. But you gotta you gotta start from somewhere though. I get you. But I don't think Jalen rose wants to coach anybody. I don't know. I mean, no, no, no. I'm telling you have a pretty good feeling generals that want to coach nobody now Chauncey Billups, I know wants to run an organization and Chauncey Billips going to get an interview for Minnesota. But I even think Chauncey who at one point may be considered coaching is like, nah, I'd rather do the front office stuff. Look coaching is tough man because you are the players again way more money than you. You have very limited control. It's rare like you are not going to be Gregg Popovich right out of the gate like that's hard on got you. But I think they're going to find somebody that will coast the whole Lakers. It's not loss. Angeles runs is Los Angeles Lakers. I know I get you. And that's true. But you still need someone with but you still need to someone that coach Bryan like that. That's as important as anything, that's the most important thing. So that's why again if I was picking my my my list of guys like ranking them on the totem pole. Right. It would be Tyler right? He's a tie Lou mile. They did it again, they traded again, the Rams they did the chiefs Rams just making them all not in. And did it again. It would be it would be tight Lou because he's got the championship experience. Lebron correct is a master tactician compared to the other two candidates like he is a far better tactician and not only told to me by people. I've spoken to off the air, but on the air on the record Kendrick Perkins. David Griffin guys like that coming in here. Chauncey Billips guys like that come in here talking about what kind of tactician tie. Lou is. Okay, tie. Lou also comes from a great tree the dog rivers tree, which is bared some fruit. Okay. Then number two. It's Juwan Howard. The problem with Juwan Howard is I wouldn't give a first time coach the rain Sants ability in with this team this market. And look I get that Juwan is cool. Rob they were teammates in college. I get that. And I look Joon has got the religion with Brian as a teammate Anna coach as an assistant and John much like tie is willing to check. Br. Front but first time head coach. So he's too. And then money to me is three because here's the deal money is a great guy, but money, my understanding is he's not the tactician the other two are. And I just think that some guys are cut out to be great assistant coaches, right? You said you played for one, right? Nor Turner, right? Great offensive coordinator, right offense. Everybody's cut out to be a head coach. And as great a guys Monte is and as good as an assistant because as the assistant he can play both good cop and bad cop as a guy who played in the league. And he knows how to push buttons the tactician stuff. I mean there's way too much smoke about that from guys that play from him that he was like their leaves a lot to be desired there. So that's why he's third. I told you my my list goes a obviously just a complete flip flop. I mean, I like money Williams one. And the reason why I'm so high Omani Williams because. I think if you're the Lakers, and that's the reason why the legion of of home, Jeannie, a great name at Liege genie bus and her legion of home. That's why they flew out all the way to Philadelphia to meet with mighty Williams. He is an out of the box kind of candidate in terms of. He has no Laker ties. He has no LeBron strong ties. I mean, yes, they, you know, they coaching a team USA and all that. But I think it just a fresh face a guy who coached under some of the great coaches in the NBA who comes in has been a head coach himself before. So he has that experience. And I think the guys are going to respect them. And what have I been preaching, George? I'm also talking about life with LeBron being able to compete in. Then when life after the Broncos, you still have that saying God, I look at Tyler. And I'm saying title the three year do Tyler is here. I don't think so beyond that. That's what you think I've saying that he's attach lebrons when LeBron gone, I'm going. That's just as an outsider looking them to do. Hey, we gather. But once Bronco I'm going and in John Howard links. I don't know if he has experienced shit to handle, right? What LeBron James that stratosphere looks like man? I know what you said with Tyler. Bronco, and I'm going, here's what kinder- Perkins told me before I get back to the callers on Josh Rosen, and y fans tend to sport owners more than players because there's some calls in the board that wanna talk about that. Here's what Kendrick Perkins told me about Tyler see Lewis, the he's ex he actually coaches Braun. They have a great relationship. But Brom respects him to the utmost t Lou actually, a call brought out in film, if he has to he'll tell Braun, hey, you did this wrong here. He's not scared of run not in a you know, a bad way. But he's he coaches Braun is times shoot around. Will you know, Brana come in and say, well, why are we not doing this? And it's Lewis say, hey, because I've been watching film all night, and we go do it this way. Right. And we go do it this way. And as we go try this way I and if it don't work, then we'll figure out something else. Yeah. I mean, look put around man, but LeBron's ruinous organization cells go, but that's what I'm saying like three he's gonna rule to to an extent. The tile higher tells me that you're enabling. Lebron? That's, but here's why you gotta hire. Todd who that's a good one here. Here's why you gotta tire higher Tyler. Because the Brian came here to play for the Lakers, but he also came here BC trust trusted Magic Johnson. There. Ain't no one in the organization right now. He trust. Right. You need to hire somebody trusts. Right. So I think you're also enabling LeBron to have the guy that he can you know, that he works well with, but but he's your best player like you had to do some of that have to do that. But I'm always saying that whenever LeBron lease. He always leaves. It leaves it up in flames. And if you're a Laker fan, you going to be excited for three years if you don't make the final if you don't want championship. And then when LeBron leaves you have nothing that cupboard is not bear. And depending on who you get in free agency or through traits. That's all I'm thinking that Mani Williams to me. You know? And look, this is just the my outside of outsider opinion. I'm just thinking that this dude is going to be here for the long term. Well, here's the short term Bill. Plastic is right. And they're trying to shove Kurt Rambis down his throat as an assist as the lead assistant coach Tyler hadn't ain't gonna have the, and I don't blame you. I am blaming him. Right. Well, you taking that job. If you're hitting his situation in the shoving the mole think the legion of whom out there trying to because they can still keep some of that infrastructure in place Jeanie Buss wants instead of just saying, hey Tyler just do what you do. Right. Let me go to Izzy and Fontana who wants to comment on Josh Rosen. Go ahead is he? Well, it gone. I believe it was called as saying just peo- professional. Okay. So he knows he's out of there. He knows he's gonna get traded or whatever right at least show up. Okay. You're not going to compete. But at least the rest of your teammates are going to see you man, she stepped up he competed. He's not going to be a starter. But if he's that will far with the rest of the league and say you what? In here. Great character. And she's gonna make a good oppression on everybody else. And not just you know, what I quit. I do not. I'm not following you guys the more. I'm outta here. Cut me or right? You want to do? But at least he can show face and say, you know, what at least I competed. I know I'm not gonna be the starter. But I gave this row for his money. And it's going to go a long way for everybody else in the league. Antonio Brown set out weeks is is he Antonio Brown set out week seventeen for the for the Steelers and didn't like his situation. He got traded and got a contract and got rewarded for that? Just like said for weeks and weeks and weeks ago. He said, you know, what I should have my agent giving me a trade outta here that should have been they've they've certainly try certainly try, but but the cardinals of bots this from a leverage stem, but is also said this he's a depreciating asset in terms of when you buy a card. You drive it off the lot. It is no longer of the value that you bought the car. Josh Rosen was a was the tenth overall pick in the two thousand eighteen draft. Once he got drafted. They weren't getting that compensation back, and they're trying to find it, and they're just not getting it. And the thing is he's done everything though, he's come to off season workouts. He's talked to the media. He went to the voluntary minicamp, right voluntary. And that dude cliff Kingsbury told him and worked about and said me, we like you man where you are guy. We like you. And then when a draft came he drafted cover Murray. Yeah. Like he got live to get light to. In your face. Yeah. Let me grab Aaron in Long Beach. He wants to talk about why fans support owners more and you're listening to Caspian, Los Angeles. Go ahead. Got to deal with the way that we sports fan associated with sports. I don't think most people walking around thinking I'm going to be NBA player. I'm gonna the NFL players. So it's hard for people to put themselves in the shoes of Josh Rosen or of a Kevin Durant. When they say, this is my team, you know, you know, basketball basketball's moving in an exciting direction where we sort of start the follow players. But for the most part, we say, this is my team we stick with that team our whole life. And so when a player leads the team, it's like, how could you leave the team, the why would Kevin Durant leave, you know? And he they leave situations. And so we create that culture of how could the player do that to my team or my guys? So it's not like you can put yourself in the shoes of the player. It's not so much putting yourself, but you can understand what it's like to be someone who's an employer employee. Oh, for sure I I'm just saying like as it overall culture. Right. Right. Right. Because we don't look at. We don't look at sports you're saying is people don't look at sports as. A job or through the eyes of the player. You're looking at. Oh, who's who's my team gonna draft, you know, for the most part we don't follow individual players. But it's it's hard for them to put themselves in the shoes of like that too legitimate job. That's that guy's writing. And he's gotta make himself. That's fair. That's fair. I mean, I think it's crazy. But, but I get your logic that people rationalize it that way. It's still seems silly to me. But I appreciate it. Thank you earn for the for your thoughts. Dylan into Junge what's up going with up. Hey, I wanted to kind of agree with you guys. You're talking about how it's not a fair competition. And I get that he wrote them to definitely be confident and self and still do the best he can and workouts. But I mean, I'm sure a lot of people listeners out there have had maybe train their own replacement at work. You know, you've been working for a while. Then they hire someone else say, hey. Hey, do your job. And then a couple of months out later, you're out. Yeah. That's how the over these players. So I totally agree with you. Yeah. He should go out there and do the best he can every day. But I'm with you. It's wouldn't follow the company that I worked for on Facebook anymore. If they did. That's me. Right this. I mean, I'm not even on Facebook. I'm on Facebook in like six years, but some people understand it some people get it. You know what I mean? It's just like, you know, basically you've been at your job the all this time. And all of a sudden, they they hire your replacement right until you, hey, you know, come in. But we're we're actually paying this guy more than you. Right. We've invested more than you told everybody in the in the in the in the workplace that this is our new hire I want everybody to meet I want everybody to be Cuyler. Hey, everybody. This is Cuyler. Yeah. He we just brought collar over. He was the best coming out of his his class in college. And so we want everybody to meet Kyle you like hold on. But I've been here and you told me late. We we we we do the same job. Yeah. I didn't get that same introduction. Yeah. Right. The writing's on the wall, man. Yeah. It's just sports. I trust me. I'm coming from a place that I've been there, right? I've literally been there. I was drafted by Oakland play five years with the Oakland Raiders led the team in tackles every year two thousand ten the eighth pit comes up. I'm watching it. I'm in San Diego with my buddies. And I'm like, I'm gonna say, hey, you know, idea so hold on. No, he's rafted your replacement. You had you didn't know it was coming didn't come to know, we didn't know. And so I think it was two things. Obviously, I you know, my contract was coming up. Right. So is he more year left? No. I had my option year. Okay. So it was do I sign the option year or or in get my long-term deal or do they say, you know, what let's just start over reset. But they actually ended up paying more money out because this will still pre CBS they had to pay crazy money raising money and the do play for three years. So they rely on Joe MacLean. Yeah. Right. And it never panned out and go back to still, you know, hang out. With the raider facility and talk to some people there. And I mean that was the worst thing we ever did like just the scouts in the organization still probably some that were told to go home. But the ones who I know and respect like that was the worst decision that we ever made. But that was because an owner wanted to certain player, right? Celtic a keen relationship with him. Right. Tim is in Culver city wants to talk about our Lakers coaching conversation. What's up, Tim? Hey, how's it going? What's up town? Yeah. For the Lakers, man. I was thinking why not go for Becky Hammon? I mean, you know, I have a lot of people say that her I q her basketball. I was off the charts. I feel like she can definitely coach them abroad. And maybe even command respect from him. You know? And you know, I think the media would keep the broader check as you know. It's LeBron words disrespect the female. You know, I think that would be bad public. She's gonna take over after pop like if I'm her I'm I'm sticking with an organization, I've already got an in with like, you know, what I mean? Like, I know exactly what's going to happen. I know I've got the full support of the organization you come here this the while while west man, different math. You know, like, well I in legitimately like we don't like look at if you're a coach like to coach the Lakers. Yes. I did you coach LeBron. But if you look at the life cycle of the Lakers coaches and the life cycle of LeBron coaches, it ain't great. So Becky Hammon ain't leaving an opportunity word. She may end up being the handpicked successor to Gregg Popovich in an arguably the most stable organisation in sports to come here. I just as real talk, you know, it's real. And it's always by the way, we should do it. There's a segment on the jump that. I wanna steal. They call it real talker BS, and we have like one hundred emoji like signed and like poop emojis. I wanted to ask questions we can do Rachel may steal it. And just letting you know girl is a funny. It's a funny bit. But anyway, go ahead say what you were gonna say. No, no. I just to what you mentioned I love Becky having. And she's done a great job. So far she's been the summer league coach, I think what the Spurs one the summer league a couple years ago as well. She does a great job. But I don't know if I want a first time head coach a first time head coach handling the la-. Brian grad agreement that I don't think capable of Anjouan. Actually got experience with them. There's just certain coaches have to have a certain temperament to handle the questions, and I thought Tyler who was able to go through the gauntlet the first time and won a championship. And after that they did win. And then that's what it all crumbled. Jacob San Diego went up, Jake. Hey, guys. How're you doing so subject Erika two questions for you? The first is, and I know this is going to get some backlash, but LeBron's only there for a couple more years he's on the decline. You know, he's still a great player. But why are we putting so much effort into finding someone that makes LeBron happy when a couple years lebrons going to be gone, and we're gonna have a younger different team. And key. You don't want to maximize the situation you currently have keep preaching to George j keep preaching to them. We don't maximize it. But LeBron's not gonna put in less effort or not want to be the best player on the court. Just because he doesn't necessarily like the coach, right? But you well. Well, look, here's the thing. I agree with that. But what I would say is that look schematics in basketball or overrated until you get to the playoffs. Yeah. Okay. Because there needs to be adjustments being made. And I think that's where you want someone who's been through that and been kind of forged through fire in that situation. Which is why Theron Lou makes the most sense because ultimately the goal here is still to win a championship. Is it not? Agreed. But the other the argument is how long was drawn Lou a head coach before he coach LeBron he was not a head coach before he comes to the Bronx. So he's the first one. I think he was already on the staff. So we had a relationship which matter and not. And so did you want? I did it. But but the Cleveland the cliff, but the Cleveland situation is not as you had a real adult in the room in David Griffin. I don't know what rob is capable of. I don't know what he is. You know what I'm saying? Like, we know what he's capable. We'll yes magic. Right. We do know that that is true. But I don't know what he's capable of in that role is what I'm saying as as far as an executive. I hear you. Thank you. You got to. Thank you. Oh, good. Eight seven seven seven ten SPN. We got Laker star going on. We got Josh Rosen dog. We got fans talking about relating with others Rams possibly into picks. He'll be talk. So maybe they'll be back when we break plus Lewis, Shawn McCoy is now the biggest enemy on the internet. I'll explain why in just a few moments. Stick around. We're back in five minutes here on ESPN and.

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A Strange Bridge

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

04:10 min | 1 year ago

A Strange Bridge

"Welcome to kiss myths and mysteries. I am your host kid chrome today. We're GONNA take a look at a mirror universe and possibly a fourth dimension in this podcast. I'm going to skip over the incredibly complicated nature of the life of a star that is necessary for black hole warm. I'm going to jump to the Weinstein Rosen Bridge. This is literally a bridge that connects with another. It was believed for decades based on conclusions by these two Greg. Mines that any ship. Let's say a rocket ship. Avars would be crushed if it entered this Einstein Rosen bridge however this thinking was disproved by Zealand mathematician. Roy Kerr who found another solution to passing through a black hole slash wormhole I. I need to make it absolutely clear. The black holes wormholes really do physically exist. So we can take that theory off of the proverbial chalkboard and say. Hey it's real second. The idea that our ship would be crushed when entering the block. Whole was based on the theory that it would enter from the side it was Kerr. The mathematician from New Zealand deduced that a ship fired centrally into the black hole would not be crush and could pass through to the other side. Where Mirror Universe or fourth dimension is waiting. What would that look like? Well imagine that are rocket has entered the Einstein Rosen bridge dead center as a rocket approaches a spinning block. Holo it detects a ring shaped spinning star the closer we get to the ring. The more light from the Mirror universe illuminates the effect resembles a hall of Mirrors. But we know this is going to happen so we are not fooled into thinking that the images are real. This big question can a black hole be used to travel throughout the Galaxy S in Star Trek? Here's the RUB. The curvature in space is determined by the amount of matter energy that is what would crush our ship and remember that matter. Energy comes from the close of or explosion of a star that I skipped over. The front of this podcast. When Captain Kirk takes us through hyperspace warp factor five the crystals must produce credible energy that among other keeps the ship from being crushed and at the same time creates a faster than the speed of light that is necessary for the ship to safely pass through a black hole of orders that leave us now. Let's assume that we can safely pass through the Einstein Rosen Bridge. What would this look like? Imagine that you were walking down main street. Usa The strange floating window opens up in front of you floating window for this example. All ignore the fact enough energy to make that window appear will probably shatter the earth. So with that bought out of the way you walk up to the floating window for better luck until your total shop. You see a face now. Let's say that the wind picks up and the baseball CAP. You were wearing blown through the window following his flight. You see blown into the sky of the other universe. It seems amazing that such a simple idea that higher dimensions can unify space with time and then a force can be explained by that warping of space time with black hole slash wormhole and the multiple connection with space. Where still probing the very limousine Weinstein's theory of general relativity? In fact the amount of energy matter necessary to create a wormhole or dimensional gateway is enough to make your brain AAC since we don't have Dr Lithium Crystals to protect us as we pass through a black hole. We have to wait for another theory before we launched that spaceship down the center of a Wormhole but the most speculative consequence of connect universes dimensions is a concept of building a time machine more on that time machine structure and what it would look like in a later podcast. Will a mirror. Universe was produced here at night. All sounds studio and brought to you by books of fiction venture life on the edge kit chrome dot com where you can always get a book for free. This is kit chrome. Thanks for listening.

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Phinsider Radio: The Josh Rosen trade, Christian Wilkins, Michael Deiter and the rest of the 2019 Miami Dolphins draft class

The Phinsider

50:15 min | 2 years ago

Phinsider Radio: The Josh Rosen trade, Christian Wilkins, Michael Deiter and the rest of the 2019 Miami Dolphins draft class

"Radio pogo dot com, any Espy nation network. And now your host at you cannot joined by komo's Josh outs. And Aaron inside. Hello everybody in vogue onto this back. Enjoying Narran to sunny Joshua house of your. After the two ninth nineteen NFL draft of the Miami. Dolphins made some headlines made some news. No, not because of their Christian Wilkins. Not because of the pickup. Michael eater. Not because of their pick of Andhra Vienne equal. Isaiah prince nor Chandler Cox, nor miles Gaskin. But instead it it was the bold faced trade or Joshua rose in Joshua the Hebrew hammer rose as he is called in NFL circles being the pick for the dolphins in the late second round as they traded down the New Orleans Saints picking up an extra second rounder on the way trading. The number sixty two pick to the cardinals as well as the twenty twenty fifth round pick to the cardinals for the rights to Josh Rosen. Josh Rosen now comes into Miami as the presumptive starting quarterback or the regular season. Of course, you have to beat out Ryan if it's Patrick in training camp, but all signs point to him being the start as dolphins need to figure out what they have in him as they. Head towards the twenty twenty regular season, and the twenty twenty will they tank for to chunk of or will they tank for Justin Herbert's or Jake from or others in the draft and twenty twenty that remains to be seen. But at the dolphins do get a new quarterback in Josh Rosen. In terms of is he a different personality was with Iran Carl's twenty nineteen it will exceleron his revolt process by at least one year possibly too when you figure in rookie quarterback's commented. Probably need a little bit time to sit and learn the ropes before making a true impact. Joshua outs, Aaron Sutton. I know we all like this trade we all like what's happening here. Son. We'll start with you. What are your thoughts on the trade? And then I wanna get into after house gets his lots. There's been a lot of debate outta what exactly were the trade terms? We'll talk about that. After you. Give your initial thoughts house inside it did you mean? Like two separate transactions. Or we'll talk about that after I just want your initial thoughts on the treat as a whole. So what if I told you that two of our division rivals traded up for a quarterback AM we spit and he's on the dollar on a quarterback and neither of those three quarterbacks have separated themselves. Would you not say that we have put ourselves in a favorable favorable position? Juts thinking on it on those terms outs. What? It's true that that doesn't happen to the dolphins. That sounds too good to be true. Okay. So at least done something there cannot go ahead. You're right because Sam darnold, right? He added. Okay. Here Josh Allen. And an okay year. You know, what I'm going to argue with on bigger Mayfield. I think that is special. I think he's wanted to be a star for years to come. I will argue Josh Allen darnold yet. Yeah. If I didn't make that clear, I think Baker was a kind of a class of his own and we had talked about that last year round this time. But anyway, when you're comparing Rosen darnold and Josh Allen. I don't see much separation from these guys on a per game basis they each had their they had their ups that had their downs. I think Rosen how it's your Twitter thread. I think he did the best you could put his best foot forward. I think there was some questionable things on tape. But when you get a guy for that type of. Value, and you bring them in to work with a guy like Jim Caldwell and have a backup quarter. Like like, Ryan Fitzpatrick. So the way I'm kinda sifting through this is at worst case scenario, we have a cheap young possibly really good backup quarterback. If we don't like what we see and two thousand nineteen. So I think there's I think this is a pretty risk averse move. I I really like it in. It's just crazy to think that this is the Miami Dolphins that we all grew up rooting for you know, I remember a moon with remember when the trade a second round pick for AJ feely. And you look at what happened on retrospect? I mean, you touched on best last year. They went up there they stayed put the making Fitzpatrick they didn't jump up for Josh Rosen and a year later. No, one could imagine him being available being able to be had for the sixty second overall pick on over talk about you know, what Miami did there to trade down in get the best of the value that they could. But for me. I see guy that last year was a top three quarterback. Daniel Jeremiah came out and said if those three quarterbacks were in this year's class. He would have all of those over Cuyler Mery. A I think a guy like Josh Rosen. This is he's going on his fifth coordinator for years or six corner. Five years. I mean, you got a guy here that is a blink palate. They can go out there, and do whatever they they need to do to make him into that quarterback that they desire. I think he's the perfect quarterback for this offense. I think he has all the skills that the dolphins are looking for just can't believe the twenty two year old six and a half million over the next three years fell into the Miami Dolphins lap and actually went out there. And did something about it. It's crazy to think that happened. I'm interested to see how this works out. We saw the press conference. He sounds like a new man, I'm excited to see. The Josh Rosen era beginning I am. I'm going back to your point sign about. Sam darnold and Josh Allen. Looking the pro football focus groups last year. Sam darnold overall rate of sixty four point seven Josh Allen, November all of sixty five point three Josh Rosen. Yes. In overall rate of forty nine point one, which is pretty bad. But when you look at their highest greats. See darnold had three will looks like league games against Indy. Eight seven point four against Houston ninety point three against Green Bay eighty eight point seven Josh Allen had one point eight Josh Rosen had one eighty seven point one. So when you're looking at even Josh Allen and Josh Rosen look at their cops. I mean, it all comes down to the situation that you're putting right. I think we all think we all know that Josh Rosen was put into just a terrible situation with the air is on cardinals. And for me, I'm not willing to judge Joshua's on anything happen. Last year. We saw off your new talked to people that said that the offense that Rosen was in was almost elementary school level. Totally agree in yet. You could probably see some similarities between the offense of lines that Josh had to work with last year compared to what he might be facing with Miami. In two thousand nineteen interesting stat Josh Rosen was the most that quarterback under two and a half seconds last year, so provided that our offense of lying can give a little bit more cushion than that. I think we're putting them in a better position to go through progressions house. I thought your thread did a pretty good job showing Josh going through those read. So I think compared to Ryan's Hannah hill, he's almost already Petr in that sense. I already fell that there were some snaps where he just looked. He looked sharp. And I don't know that there were as many snaps that I saw from Ryan and his rookie year comparatively. So. Perhaps. That's the wishful thinking in me. But I think when you when you break down the value you bring down what what what he brings to this team. I don't I don't think it does any disservice considering the draft capital that we have and the the money that we can move around next year the sky's the limit for whatever we wanna do next year. No matter what position. So I think this is all just kind of icing on the cake. Think it's funny because we thought when Ryan tannehill would leave, you know, the civil war between dolphins Twitter would end. And I think if anything it just got knighted even more with this Josh Rosen trae, there's some people that are hard on the it's terrible value. You know, they're better players there than there are others who just think that this is the best trade in great things could come of personally. I mean, it's I'm trying to sit back as a fan and not get too excited because if any of us, I think we were kind of all in agreeance last year. Josh Rosen was a franchise quarterback. Could be a franchise quarterback. We thought he was an option last season know, he wasn't. He liked the most pro ready quarterback. You know that the some of the terms I I was hearing before the draft and then Tony lane linked to us. And he was in. You said it you look at that film. And you do see a rookie. But you see a rookie that's making plays and doing things that I mean personally you haven't seen from Miami Dolphins quarterback in quite some time. So when you say that you see more refined player than ten hill his rookie season. I. Absolutely think. So I think that he's gonna come in here and compete, and I mean, it should be a quarterback competition. Everyone should have to compete. You. Brought Ryan Fitzpatrick in here because he is at mentor because he is a pretty damn good quarterback. It can do good things brought him in let them to compete. I think Josh Rosen a win out that quarterback competition. And I think you'll get a good evaluation in two thousand nineteen of what he is capable of. I think when all said and done, you know, best case scenario the Miami Dolphins have their franchise quarterback. They have a hundred twenty million dollars. And they have all those draft picks go out there and build around this guy built around the defense and build elite unit. You see these teams competing with those rookie contracts six and a half million over three years. You can't beat that. There's absolutely no risk. I see here. Because like I said you still have all amunition go up there and get a quarterback next year if you desire this is a win win situation for my own. You think though that Josh Rochas not start week one? Then the dolphins doing it all wrong. I yeah. I was just going to kinda third this out to you. Guys, is it a really true quarterback competition to you. I. I kind go back and forth to be honest with you because I do see the merits and if Ryan Fitzpatrick happens to the better than Josh Rosen. I think you as a rookie head coach if you've come in with your MO as being we're going to start the best player. No matter where he came from who you are. And all that kind of stuff then you have to start Ryan Fitzpatrick. But. Vits Patchett himself out of a job though. If it's equal then you have to go with Rosen and his ceiling, but I hope it's not too close. You know? I hope Josh Rosen. Wins this race because it makes it easier for us. Okay. Here's the worst case scenario from what I can tell is. Josh Rosen wins the competition, and I'm sorry for putting this out into the universe everybody. But we're dolphins fans were program to do this. Josh Rosen goes right to three three and two with some really good tape. And then Ryan Fitzpatrick comes in and goes five and six the rest of the year. And we end up eight not knowing what the hell to do again. Why would you say that? Why would you think that's? Right. Yeah. I guess he could play some said, that's that's said. That was like red, weddings. The hell is wrong with you. I put it out there. Just because you couldn't couldn't you. See it happen. Yeah. It's going to come back and be exactly how everything goes, exactly. This is the quickest story of how we know what we're gonna do for quarterback next year. I will say I don't know if it's necessarily terrible thing. I tweeted out at that by week is I think we finally come back from that. And that would be ample time to get him out there. But I think it's a real competition. He needs to go in there and beat Ryan Fitzpatrick. I don't see how a twenty two year old that seems to be pretty damn good. Can't go out there and beat a thirty six year old that enjoys eating cake. You hope they're Josh Rosen. A guy just invested two picks in can go out there and and get the job done. I love cake, by the way. Well, yeah. You like to wear TR's it. Some of those parties to which one's the Princess parties specifically thinking about six or ten of his per year. Don't. Nice. I love to yards Frances. Anyway. So let's get back to my question that my previous question was one of the follow up with kinda talk to Josh Rosen trade, we're all in agreement with will like there is I think very little risks for the dolphins lead. There are some people who think the dolphins give too much for Josh Rosen. Now, here's where I want to make my stance. Clear the dolphins treated down from forty eight. Or is it was forty forty two forty eight forty forty eight dollars traded forty eight to sixty two with Josh Rosen and mild, so yes, while the trades were not. In combination with each other. The trades are related. I don't think there's any way the dolphins gonna give it up forty eight. Josh rosen. They had no issue giving up sixty two for Josh Rosen when they saw it could get an extra second pick twenty twenty four that which they want to do all along then they felt a lot better selecting Josh Rosen at the end of the second round for Munit anada. Do you know anything if the patriots were interested in using their last pick in the second round to go after him? I don't know because that would be the only definitive evidence that we would have to kinda separate these interesting thing was Josh Rosen said in his press conference that you never met with the patriots last year but days supposedly loved him. You would have to think, but you'd have to let me finish this all you have to think that had Shane Briant floor is the other from the patriots knew about the interest there. But I don't think the dolphins wanted dropped down. What was it twelve spots? Fourteen smiles or whatever it was fourteen think in New England might jump up ahead of the wall could easily jump with right, right? So I don't know the new endless going to pick him there. But I do know that when you think you have a quarterback, I'm sorry. I know people are mad at me for saying quarterback. Say to feel more times quarterback quarterback quarterback lost twenty five listeners wall. When you think you have your QB, I think that you take a chance, and I think that you look at things differently when it's QB draft picks or the little more. We hear all the time. If a team coming up for QB the other team is going to hold out for more picks the teams coming up for QB if they're coming up for let's say cornerback or address your linebacker receive a running back or whatever the prices going to be a little bit lower. So for people saying that though too much I think that is an absolute lie. I think they gave up what they should have given up for Josh Rosen. I think the first one event heavy for him. But I think late round second aim early second with forty eight would've been a little too much. But I think a sixty two right at the bottom of around which almost third Vic is absolutely perfect brigada was top ten pick last year. How your thoughts on that? Yeah. Definitely think the moves are related. I think there's absolutely no way that the dolphins straight down there. You know, I think all along once they saw the way the board fell. They saw they were the team left in the Rosen sweepstakes. I think they realized that that was their guy. You know, why not use a second round pick on guy who just a year ago was taken tenth over all you had to feel good about him. I think the two moves are definitely related, and you got to be be happy with the way things played out because the Miami Dolphins. Normally don't make moves like this to see go down the way it did. I mean it. It's awesome. Hopefully, it often got a franchise quarterback. I'm not sure at forty eight. I would jump, but I think by trading down using your boy, Jeff Ireland. You know, maybe didn't really have a good stint here. Miami people feel one way or the other about him. But he helped the Miami Dolphins out twenty twenty second round pick. And you've got potentially a franchise quarterback you guys out to Chris Greer in those guys in that front office. And I think this whole we could have waited on. Josh rosen. On thing assumes competition. And that's why it kinda ask about the patriots. Because obviously they drafted one in the fourth round jeered system from Auburn. So I mean, how long could we wait? So I think that was my initial reservation as well was could we have waited to the third round there. Still some good prospects on the board there when we could have drafted at that at New Orleans pick that we ended up getting in the second round. But hey, we we turns. We turn the twenty twenty draft pool. Into a pretty interesting thing we have what two picks in every round except the first next year. So the fact that we were able to do something kind of weird like that. But awesome. We have so many directions we could go at it puts us in a really unique position. I'm not sure. If I felt the same way about the team. And like I always felt like we're we would be low at this time of year when we're looking at next year's draft capital or looking at. We're looking at aria starter here. I know you have no idea what I meant just their math unites set on purpose. All I heard was aria. And I just know what you're talking about. I'm not gonna talk about Dima thrones Kazan Ranchi not to be. I don't like it. You're not gonna Beijing into it. Right. America's got talent comes on pretty soon. Few weeks fat guide story or thank God. Some real programming's coming back on those juggling seriously biscuits. Dog eat the biscuit off its knows. I'm not sure what you guys hate on it so much. I think it's just because we spite you, and that's just one convenient avenue to do that. Have you ever watched mega talent toback? Yes. We all watched at least episode. Okay. And how are not inspired and moves by the golden buzzer. When the effective falls from the sky. I don't know about the golden buzzer turned what is going. Other is John. Jordan is Josh ragging shower. But it's the golden buzzer is Josh, wait. Let. So is this is this what you like shower beers so much because you're doing golden showers is Josh Rosen or golden it's a whole new territory for us, bro. Montrose, and is Lindley from enhanced like a really moving performance or a really knock your socks off performance each show each audition show, the one of the judges has the golden buzzer in her hints. If that participant that contest it really moves that judge or whoever it is usually one golden buzzer per show that judge can hit the buzzer and on manically that contestant goes straight through to the live show. The effect is dramatic like they hit the golden star playing music software is gonna Akron building-up prerecorded for addition. So you kinda get sensitive coming bills up in the goose slow interesting about the I'm John this can't you're building so much nut. Nut grow, the stop it. No pause it. And then all of a sudden though, I would later go boom Golan. Buzzer comes flying old and shower over place, golden show, shower everything. The person may get rain person golden buzzers crying on the state. That is what happened when the dolphins traded for Josh Rosen is so really moving moments. That's what Christian Wilkin stood in the Roger Goodell on stage. Speaking of Christian Wilkens. The renault. Josh rosen. Clearly, goodness, save this French. It doesn't take much to quarterback. The statements franchise QB inside Christian Wilkins who in their right mind. Let me just back up a step. What did we San Francisco radio draft the episode for the drought? I think it was a day or two before what we say. Remind me Matthew. I think you said that we were gonna draft Christian Wilkins in repeat that for the people in the MAC. Well, let me see a flak and use my Boston court back in act a little bit. It's australian. Oh, man. Hey. That reminds me your accent there like when you get drunk. You're acting. It's really thick Angie. Cincinnati out Rennick. You just have talking. I was wanting to tweet you Saturday 'cause the Bengals stick was at Paul stadium. But you could see Bridget you walked over and evacuate. And I wish I got three shot, but I couldn't. But the bridge was there lay should have my picture up on that bridge right now to be honest with the Kambli wash that bridge. It was ten a hill. Made you do those devastating game. Ryan tannehill. Remember that? There's no there's no way. Josh Rosen loses. I game. No, no, shoes the trails. Not even not long never loses. Fascinates, chris. I don't think many people expected to be there thirteen the dolphins had designs on trading down the first round if the guy was gone at Christian Wilkins was one of their guys at the top of their board at Oliver and other guy that they launched its top of the board. But he got scooped up by the Buffalo Bills before that sucks in. He's going to be a monster for them. But anyways, Christian Wilkins's in play over lines. The great addition for the dolphins we covered him on the episode of few weeks back and just a dominant force right in the middle that Lyon, again all over the line is a really great face. When we agreed for the locker room. I'm excited to see. We do want to be a day one. Starve course, according to my big word that put together pro football network. He had a. Average grade. Of let's see here. Is great was a one point seven seven and in my grading the closer zero. You are the better off you are the higher. You are the worse off you are so be at one seven seven is pretty good wellpoint seven seven and the pick differential, which is basically the your total grade. And or the pick where you where you got selected the numbers the number thirteen. It's basically the average of your overall rank which had ranked number twenty four overall in your position rank which Adam number four those two combines along with the pick gets your minus one so zero is neutral zeros where they should have been drafted minus one is basically right there anything in the minus at in a negative is anything in the positive is obviously good value. So I think Richard Wilkins was great pick their thirteen thoughts outside. We'll start with you, son. While it might defense. I thought we go clean feral because the whole Clemson defensive line coach connections Marian, AVI. So gotta give you kudos that Matthew. He was you gotta you gotta think that he was the best player on the board somebody that they really didn't even have to look into to be honest with you. Okay. Look. At the combine he had one of the top three interviews of any player that I saw. And I think the reason he's such a good pick for the dolphins. Zadie check so many different boxes. Not just, you know, the football player, and the, you know, he so smart, okay? This is a guy that got his undergraduate degree and has master's degree while playing division one football, Clemson and three and a half years. Okay. This dude could sell you anything. He just has that type of magnetism you saw how he interacted with Roger Goodell on the stage. This is going to be a guy that scoring to have an my opinion as shack like and fluence on our club. Now shack maybe not as dominant of a player shack was and basketball. But in terms of personality, that's where I see him. And I think he's going to give some versatility on the defensive line, first and foremost because we are going to be alternating between three and four defensive of the defensive line fronts. So I think he's going to give us some technique for civilities gonna give us some scheme versatility. But when you look at this defense last year. Yes, you can argue that we don't have the pass rush there. Yes. You can argue that we don't have the. Pass coverage there. But this was the thirty first ranked run defense last year. And I don't know that there's anything more demoralizing and more devastating to a football game plan than to just get ran on at five six seven yards at a time. So I think this was an important pick for club. And he checks so many different things that you want out of a first round investment that we couldn't pass it up. You know, son. I think he tweeted it out, you know, that a new coach, you know, they come in and they bring in their own little Chesapeake. And this is kind of Brian floors, Chesapeake. We missed out his boy, Trey flowers, he ended up in Detroit. But what you get with Christy Wilkins guy. I mean, you see the character. I mean, this is a guy that is a franchise player is going to be the cornerstone on the front of that defense. You know, can do a little bit of everything front compla- over the nose can move to defensive uncomplaining on the outside can play. He can do everything. And I mean, he does it. Well, he he's a stout against Iran and get to the quarterback. He is a a he is a hormone pick. And the dolphins went out there. It's just like Fitzpatrick last season you see elite defensive player phone your let you go out and get him. I think that's what they saw Wilkins cannot. You nailed it up to the draft. I'm in your own quicker than anyone. I mean, you said that name from day one. You said that day that night you knew that was coming. But I mean on on paper that is a homeroom pick, and I expect him to and Brian floors get along very well into. Huge huge part of that defense. One thing. I just want out there. I mean you saw he can play quarterback. He can he can run the football. Who knows what kind of different things Brian floors could give opportunities to do. But this is a great pick. I think he's going to be a building block for this defense for many many years. Criminal was not a top thirty. Visit either Michael leader Dieter you offense lineman from Wisconsin who was drafted in the second round by the dolphins. Sorry. Third round. Josh Rosen was the second round pick. Unique laid off guard complained the left our position the right guard position center position can also play tackle absolutely needed prefers the right side of the line as what she played her left cert- side, as well what I wanted to what these last five picks son houses home to throw one of you to each wants to sign that the next one house in the next one. I saw next on house now undo the seventh round pick. But I wanna get one opinion on both the essence of time, and what we have left so sign we'll start with you with Michael from Wisconsin Eyadema's overall grade is three point three which is basically a third round rate early around grade Miami got it right in the middle of round there. Pick differential plus forty one point five which is pretty good there. That's really good value as according to my draft rate and everything else to come to socio with as I said he is projected to be kind of a day one starter there just because of the state of the offense of in Miami. You will like to see Isaac us yada one of the guards. Spots, and or film one of the other spot side the anything extra add about him. Yeah. I just I typically like big ten offense of linemen. Not only do they play an harsher elements compared to some other teams in college football. When you look at it from a weather standpoint. And when you play for the Miami Dolphins, you're gonna have to play in Buffalo, New York and Foxborough every year. And it might be at a time where doesn't Ceuta season too. Well for us. So you have to play in those types of environments, and the big ten just seems to produce better NFL quality offense of Wyman. I don't know if as based on any science or not, but that's my take on that as give me those Cornfed midwestern boys on the offensive line. We're going to be in good shape. So I think with Michael deeter we can kinda cross out one of those guard positions right away. Moving onto the next thought it was a little bit of a region, the fifth round here with Andrew van gingko from Wisconsin other Wisconsin guy there so back to back Wisconsin picks. I had him ranked in this is kind of sad laugh at this is related fifty ninth. Overall, forty third in his position Adam as undrafted free agents. Here's why. This board is only based on twenty eighteen and not the year before the all the other years in college football been Inca played elites almost elites in twenty eighteen. Twenty seventeen sorry about that. And then he got hurt and twenty eight so he wasn't able to play to his full potential people. I've talked to trust say that he was a monster around the all over the place. Vic diffrential minus fifty what shows it was a reach outs. Did you have anything to add based on your studies of the Inca on what you've read along the way young saying pretend Noah banking collision new the player of leading up to the draft. Would it seems like the dolphins? God here's a player that can add depth to vision that desperately need, you know, the the requires the drone Baker Kiko Alonzo for a little bit longer. But you got a guy here. Like, you said he plays this heroine. Fire had a pretty good year last year. It looks like in two seasons in Wisconsin twelve total sacks. I mean when you book prime Flora's defense on tape when you look at that New England style defense you need a linebacker that can blitz. I'm not quite sure the dolphins have that currently on the roster C C guy like. Of gingko seed in the tape. You see him being pretty darn good again to the quarterback. I think he's going to be peace. I think he's going to have a chance to you know, go out there and make an impact. I don't think he's going to be a starter. He definitely won't be start right away. But I think it's added death. I think he goes out there. And does what he needs to do special teams. This is a guy that could cover over the next few years in NBN asset, especially in those blitzing situations. I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion. But I think his closest competition on the team Quinton polling someone that we got to interview last year for a stash on the practice squad. But van Kinkel's a little bit Toller, but in terms of measurable at the combine. Production and college and kind of skill set wise while we're looking for I think those are the two kind of comparable pieces there. So I don't know if both players making the Rosser or competing for the same type of niche spot on the roster will find that out. Someone he could possibly replace in the near future Kiko Alonso any kind of defenses dolphins team place on. That's another discussion for another day. Once we find out what loving and kind of how skewing these guys over the field. I would think we're going to be playing two linebackers Mosa time ky-ko's going to have a contract we can get out of next year. So right anyway from Joyce's Ahah prince house, the offense attack from Ohio State and other power conference near another team has played on a big stage. I had him as a late fifth round grade. Miami got him in the mid six rounds. So that is a good pick their ninety four point five of wrench. That's positive ninety four point five had one ninety seven overall was picked to June eighteenth, his position your thoughts on is Ahah prince helps you think he can be a starter on day one. They won't don't think. So. But I do see guy that has potential, you know, with the right coaching started forty one consecutive games air at Ohio State, you know, played in all fifty four. So I mean, this is a guy that has experienced the highest level one of the ice levels in college football. I think he's got it can definitely be groomed. Into a, you know, one of those book ends opposite of Larry Tunsil. But they won't start. Absolutely not. I liked the value that the dolphins got there with that pick. They definitely definitely offense of line. So it's a solid pick for the Miami. Dolphins. Jump over now to the seventh rounds. Chandler, Cox and miles gasket. I'm really excited about these two picks. I think they're good value picks usually look at the bus jury of fullbacks running Nexen, you know, different positions offense lineman. The risk is a lot lower and to spend your seven around fix on basically two running backs. I think is very very smart dolphins rather than a cornerback relied Vacher edge rusher. Bezos, guys bust out more than the others. So. I know you're excited about Chandler Cox in everything he can into the dolphin your thoughts on him. Yeah. I mean, we have to stare at the fact that the NFL has devalued all running back position. So you have to look at that in terms of the dolphins invested in the seventh round, which is where you might see the most type of value if you buy into that theory. But if you're looking at Cox, just from a fullback standpoint, I don't even know if dolphins remember how fullbacks do things. I mean, we we've been looking that Lusaka polite, and rob Konrad to the best fullbacks that I can remember in recent history. But the patriots used a lot of twenty one running back personnel. So you're looking at two running back serves the same time. And the patriots are probably one of the better teams at fig. Out how to use fullbacks, and that's just going to add new wrinkle to this offense. Okay. So we're going to be able to do more creative things from offense standpoint. We're going to be able to block better from the interior. If you're doing so much three wide receiver one running back personnel. Like he saw outta gays. You're only backfield protection as from your running back when you have a full back-back there. You are able to do some more creative things from passing standpoint too. So not only are you able to get some better pot pass blocking out there with twenty one personnel. But you can also just by virtue of the fact that it's such a niche thing, you can run it with the fullback and get some production out of it. And from what I can tell we got the best fullback out of the draft. So just adds a new wrinkle to the offense some. For Chechen shade a play with and miles gas. Give the other seventh round pick from Washington. I had actually a mid fifth wrong. Read on miles. Gaskin you pick number seven some round over to thirty four item item. One six overall fourteen that is physician hick diffrential, plus one forty seven one of the best argon in the draft. Your thoughts on him house. I really really liked this pick. And I mean, I know much as we complain last year that Kenyan Drake Dink at the workload. Daddy, you know that we'd expected UC New England what they do with their running backs. They bring them in and out of very very often. See got Kenyan Drake got killing Balaj, you bring Gog miles gas. I mean, he can do it all for point five eight speed. I mean, he's Washington's all time leading rusher. I mean five thousand three hundred twenty three yards throughout four years. Fifty seven touchdowns. He's an asset in the passing game. I think this is a guy that is going to make an impact of assume specialties as returner goners things like that. But I think at the end of the day is gonna get some carries. I see him as kind of James white type running back. And I think this is a hell of a pick for the dolphins where they got him. Absolutely true committee. You're going to see. You're gonna see three different running backs doing different things all across the year. So I think you're gonna see production and different terms from all these guys. And if anything it just buys us a little insurance if Adam gates happen to be right at playing Frank gore. Number one in front of Kenyan Drake, and Kenyan Drake is strictly more of a pass catching variety, at least buys us a little bit of a cushion there. Should we not pursue that any further? Disclaimer do not draft Miami dolphin running backs and fans now while the patriots version two you have no idea was doing the mall. Absolutely. No question about it. I love it. The monthly Vienna's you this year. Yeah. You'll probably have a teams by the time record our first preseason bar on money on it right now. Five teams at least five really try not to stresses me out too much. Yeah. I doubt that very much. Anyways idea the Miami Dolphins and overall grade of forty five point six best relent in the NFL. I thought by team Irizawa was seventy three point four one by New Orleans, Tennessee, Minnesota in Cincinnati bangles, my word strive drafts with a three point six seven again lowered the number on the overall grades the worse. It is higher. The number. The veteran is Zimmerman school forty three point six seven followed by the Felker near Seahawks in eagles. I know some people might be asking the raiders item. Number twenty second overall, relax on the patriots ranked twenty first over on people were saying, well, the patriots got non yes, they did the value. But they also reached I think what the punter. I think you can never really guest that with the puncher. And I think that kinda you know, brought through gray down a little bit overall. Yes, they had a decent drafts. But. You know, I don't I don't see the impact players that they had. It's it's so natural. Bus macular late round picks. It's and it's so natural to just assume the patriots slay the draft every year, and they're honestly, they're not any better than drafting at any other team in the last ten years. Go ahead, go through it. Tell me yet. They're just not the draft is as equally crap shoot for everybody had the rents over fourteen overall Nelson might have some disagreements with these grades these are based on the formula together. And I'm confident in it, and obviously time will tell we're one lies. But I wish I wish you're wrong about AirAsia because I do agree that they had a really good draft. I just hope that they are wrong. So I could continue to be salty about them moving on from Rosen and going from of may or the bit factor and listen to this. If Josh Rosen lights up this year collar Murray mites up. Miami travels the air is on next year. That would be a Sunday four we're going. We're going to you. And how to having our PM. They can also plan the Super Bowl this year to right? Yes. Yup. The dolphins are gonna make the Super Bowl is not kid ourselves. Definitely. Any last thoughts before route snow side? No, you'll hear how much draft capital we have gone into twenty twenty you'll hear about how much money we have left to spend. We have even more money that we could spend an terms of the contracts that we could get out of going into twenty twenty. Whether you're looking at Reshad Jones, TJ McDonald our Wilson Kenny stills, he go laws. Devante parker. So there are so many different directions that seem can go in that you just hope that the roots replanted this year. We're gonna build a sang. I just wanted to my head to Chris Greer because what he's done. I mean, I know we kind of thought this was going to be trust the process saying there's such a long way to go. But what he's done in a short matter time. I mean, some touched on all those picks next year. I mean that is a New England thing that the Miami Dolphins absolutely have not done in decades. And they go out there, and they they acquire all these picks. They go out there and get a quarterback who was highly touted the the year before you know, they got twenty two year old franchise potential game changing quarterback out of this draft. You gotta take out to Chris Greer. It's another solid Dr Christian Wilkins. I mean, that's a home pick, Michael. And Josh Rosen if those guys pan out, I mean, this franchise could be a contender for many many years. The next of free. This for the dogs will begin may eighth. Just went at the free agency. Sign will no longer comes against compensate, Tori formula, accumbens remain intact. So please keep your eyes on that. Dolphins are expected to be players in that second wave of regency. They a lot of interesting names out there to some bigger names that you wouldn't think would be available to points. Yeah. We'll definitely get that next week's on Vince radio which will be right before the start of that period. And again, the dolphins are expected to be active as look too short up their debts and get some bodies into camp and make sure the roster is sets as we head into the regular season. Would you like to brag will more time about getting Christian Wilkens, correct? Yeah. Here's told me. One story. Modern tax message to. Yeah. I really did. Because I was sitting there getting pretty anxious. I think I just got off work, and I'm sitting there. I'm like, yo I wonder if the dolphins are really going to get Josh Rosen. I thought to myself there's only one person that I know that may know the answer to this text group chat, we asked cannot I think he said my guy thinks the thing is getting done. I think within an hour. The deal was official cannot all over that. He was holdover Brown. Whereas you at text me like nine seven us, basically said is this going to happen? I said my guy expects it to happen. Thirteen minutes later Schefter reported is going down. So yeah, I was pretty that was when I could not put out there to the universe. I know people. It before the draft. I said buckle up keep your eyes on Josh Rosen. Keep your eyes on the situation a mentioned it again a little bit into the rounds. Now to that kind of went silent. Something's just can't put out there quickly enough or at all until it actually happens per my sources direction. So that was one of into the universe Republican sumptious. But with inside info people can doubt you at their own peril. Flora's rosen. Will you hit on all three of them trifecta dog? Dominic bitch had tricked Duncan to all forget comments. Don't forget, Julius Thomas. You're texas. You guys I said Julius Thomas literally two minutes later, Julius Streep comes through the actually knew him because he knew about Danny amendola, but you didn't pull the trigger quicken full to running things regrets. 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The Power of Stopping (Before Starting) w/ Tommy Rosen (047)

Men, This Way

57:26 min | 1 year ago

The Power of Stopping (Before Starting) w/ Tommy Rosen (047)

"Imagine that this virus is in the most strange ways in the most strange and unusual ways. Benevolent that ultimately. It's trying to get us to do certain things to correct our behavior in certain ways to create change and transformation in certain ways that ultimately are going to lead to the progress of the human race. That's a heavy concept when part of the cost that's being paid here is human life. Welcome to men this way. The podcast for every man who seeks to live his deepest purpose in life. Who's committed to showing up fully and giving his unique gifts to the world. Because if not you then who? I'm your host and fellow journeyman. Brian Reeves Bryan with a Y. Reeves men this way. What is the real addiction? This pandemic is forcing us to face when your world's suddenly stops what's the most inspired way to get. It started again in. Why should you start with meditation every day? And I say you should will in this episode. My guest Tommy Rosen and I thom the founder of recovery two point Oh and he and I mind these questions and more for useful insights to make a meaningful difference in your life. Tommy is one of the reasons I love living in Los Angeles. Nah I met Tommy years ago win the conscious music band that I was managing in a time we were first coming to La and we performed in his spacious living room for about one hundred fifty beautiful brilliant and talented Los Angeles peeps and have since come to know Tommy as deeply wise man. He's actually a renowned Kundan. Lean Yoga teacher which I tried Kunda Lena Yoga a few times and decided immediately. I didn't like it until I did a three day workshop. Where Tommy Taught Kunda Lena Yoga twice a day morning and evening for all three days and I just went with it. Why not I'm there. Let's do it. I was astonished to find three days later. My neck and my back felt free of strain and pain for the first time in years and ever. Since then I've actually incorporated into my morning practice a simple breathing practice that I learned from Tommy that weekend continues to make my body and mind feel better every day. Now I've actually wanted to get Tommy on men this way since I first conceived of this whole podcast idea but it just didn't come together and Tommy and his wife Kim Miller who is another world renowned Yogi in her own right travel incessantly but actually I was inspired reinspired. I should say to re-invite Tatami to the podcast just last week after reconnecting with him on a quarantine inspired zoom call with a few friends because on that call he said a few things that deeply resonated with me about how he's experiencing this great time of what I would consider global shutdown and personal upheaval. And we'll dive into what he said in into our conversation and unpack that for you. I think it's really really profound but the last thing I want to say about Tommy. He's also a survivor of addiction. And he's actually become a world renowned leader in the realm of addiction recovery. He is the founder and host of an incredibly successful online conference series that has impacted men and women all over the world for Gosh. I Dunno mono many many years now. It's called Recovery two point Oh beyond addiction. He leads recovery two point. Oh retreats and workshops internationally. He presents regularly at Yoga Conferences and festivals and his first book recovery two point. Oh move beyond addiction and upgrade. Your Life was published by one of my favorite publishers. Hey House in October two thousand fourteen. He was also recently featured guest on Russell. Brand's podcast under the skin. It's a philosophic conversation but I do my best with all of conversations to ground what we're saying impractical application that can make a meaningful difference. Actually serve you in your daily life and and I believe that we complice that here. So if you have any feedback on this episode please feel free to email me at Brian. Reeves DOT COM members Bryan with a Y. At Brian Reeves Dot Com. I see your email directly and I would love to hear from you about it and of course you have something great to say. Please leave a review on your podcast APP. Your words really make a huge difference as to whether more people will listen to the podcast so I really appreciate your help and those of you. That have already left reviews. I can't tell you how great Flam so thank you so definitely stay tuned for Tommy's five key takeaways the quarantine addition at the end of this episode of men. This way all right. Let's dive. Tommy Rosen my friend. Welcome to men this way. Thank you Brian. So much for having me. There's a longtime in coming man as it's been a minute we've been talking about that even talking about this for a minute and boy but what a perfect minutes actually do this very unique moment. We find ourselves in right now. I'm really excited about the conversation that we get to have because of the context within which were having it and and when we were on our friend. Zun Call last week. I was where I I learned that. Actually you had just come back to India. The last plane out what would happen. They're talking about. It's very interesting situation because I was separated from Kia my wife. I'm in southern India and I'm on a on a health retreat of all the ironic places to be during a pandemic breaking out. I'm literally in a cloister village in southern India completely cut off really from the outside world taking potions in concoctions of health and being massaged every single day by these doctors these are doctors and meanwhile Kia is in northern India and she's leading a group of forty five people who've flown to India to train with her and these forty five people represented I think nine countries so there we are in that you can put yourself back a couple of weeks. It's march eighteenth seventeenth in. We don't have been there a month and things were heating up and we knew that we had a plane home which we booked four months previous. We knew we had a plane home on. United Airlines from New Delhi India nonstop all the way to San Francisco and then we would connect home daily from there and the whole time like at first. We're like oh well it's no problem you know. Our claim clearly will fly and then all of a sudden the government of India says on March. Twenty second no more. International flights are allowed into the country. No more planes can land are playing takes off on March twenty second. We're thinking yourselves. Does our plane landed in India before the twenty second or or? What are we dealing with so as fate would have it? Our plane was slated to land in New Delhi to pick us up to pick everybody now a- On march twenty first at eleven thirty pm half an hour or the deadline it actually landed thank God and then we got on the flight and we took off from New Delhi to fifty in the morning five. Zero am on March twenty. Second we were the last flight out of India. Credible was that a full plane of people only God it was full and it was that that intense energy of people who are scared of s and really really. WanNa get somewhere from civil house. Just picturing in my head. I've been to India few times and the trains and you see it in the movies. I see people sticking out of the airplane windows. It's packed to the Brim. People are riding on the wings. He's like is funny. When I first heard that you had the last plane out of India there was a part of me is like Oh you know. Well I've been to India India's amaze you guys love India. It's not a bad place to sort of wade out this pandemic and then and then I thought wait a second. India has more people than any place on earth crawling. I mean it's a bit hyperbolic but there there. You can't social distancing in India. You're kidding me like now to see what's actually happening there. All my goodness man within forty eight hours of getting home. There was a complete and total shutdown. The country each individual state shutdown was actually initiated. The Prime Minister issued a order for people to actually stay inside. I ask myself how to one point. Three billion people who don't many from don't have homes so many many because of homelessness but many others just simply live outside. And so what are we can only imagine in the United States? We're having our own version of this in Europe. They're having their version of this in India. They're having their version of this China. Etcetera everybody's having their their culture and their society is interacting with this issue in a variety of different ways. It's very fascinating obviously. It's terrifying for some every emotion as I think every emotion that you could feel we felt and at the time you and I are having this conversation I know some people will be listening to this on the other side. Well if there is another side of this but we're just getting started this just were. What are we April first? Today's April first twenty twenty that we're we're talking in the thing though. I WanNa talk about early. Start our conversation with you said something that has been near and dear to me on our call last week with our friends. You acknowledge something that what this meant for you. That really spoke deeply to a theme that I've been playing with as well in my life. But would you restate what you said? And what did you mean by so? I think you're referring to this idea that this is the time to stop and so almost every class I ever begin. We begin by stopping. And there's a wonderful yoga teacher who along with his then. Wife Motti is ready. This is Chuck Miller who I'm speaking about. And he used to start his classes by saying. Okay we start by stop. And that's where I I heard that and I like it and it makes a lot of sense to me. We're entering into. Let's just say we're entering into a sacred space. You could say the beginning of yoga classes. You're entering into a sacred space. You could say each morning when you wake up out of bed. You're entering into a sacred space. Every meal could be each meal with your partner. Perhaps or family or by yourself. Yeah absolutely every moment is has the potential for us to bring the sacred to it and this moment is certainly especially no different so if we can personify the spires for minute what is this virus trying to get us to do. We all think the viruses. Trying to perpetuate itself. That's what living organisms do. They perpetuate themselves okay. Well let's just just be playful unless just imagine that that's not the purpose. Let's imagine that this virus is in the most stranger ways in the most strange unusual ways. Benevolent that ultimately. It's trying to get us to do certain things to correct our behavior in certain ways to create change and transformation in certain ways that ultimately are going to lead to the progress of the human race. That's a heavy concept when part of the cost that's being paid here is human life which we can't escape anyway. I mean that's coming for us all anyway. We know we know it. Yes people are going to die anyway but since we're speaking about personifying this virus. I'm suggesting just as an exercise. What if this virus has actually benevolent? Even though it doesn't appear that way to us on the surface because it's so frightening and because it's it's threatening our current wells threatening some people's lives and in the bigger sense it's threatening our current society The structure of our society the structures within our society are being challenged. Our economic system certainly are political system are for just just for the sake of our of our listeners. Have 'cause I am totally enrolled. I buy into the world as a friendly friendly. Universum doesn't mean that there isn't suffering pain and hurt and all of that stuff but that's part of the totality the whole experience. What else become here for but experience at all so I'm enrolled this. Keep going because I. I'm sure that there's some people listening that are thinking okay. Benevolent virus. That wants to kill me. That wants to okay. Well let's Whereas where we're going with this right well. The virus doesn't want to kill you right. That's that's not how the virus works if the virus kills you. The virus dots get great point. That's not what it's all about. It's not even its own interest to kill us that's right. We often look at a virus like in in computer terms. We look at a virus. Adds something that is going to ruin. Good coding we had an intention. We created a software virus goes into the SOFTWARE AND IT. Messes IT UP AND IT. It blows what are much innocence when the same situation. We've created a situation in our world in point of fact and I'm sure there are some people that think very very very differently than I do but I think that there must be a great majority of people on the planet alive today who have thought God we we really need to change. Like no no matter what your political position is your economic situation. Your your color erase your creed or gender all of that aside every one of US human beings as at some point thought. Wow how are we going to work this out? How are we actually going to get through these challenges because to my simple mind? I can't see my way through to the solution. Okay so incomes. The virus almost like answering prayer. One way that we all have thought in the back of her mind one way we've thought change was going to happen was through unbelievably violent war revolution when we think about the massive change that has to take place on this planet. How are we all going to come? Well the way that we used to do things. Twentieth Century in pre and back was violence. Or you want to affect. Change okay. Violence Revolution coup. And now we're united. Were united with a common enemy common enemies. Virus people are thinking more in terms of human beings now than they are in terms of nations. I wanted to say something because there are still again. It's April I. It's early in this dance. And there are a lot of people still hold now with the the the kind of divisive there are a lot of people that are still not united. If I can love something about a virus. The thing that I love about what's happening is this virus. Didn't give a damn what your beliefs are. Doesn't Damn what your politics are doesn't give a damn what conspiracy theories you buy into. It is going to affect one out of three fucking people on this planet while it's GonNa Affect everybody on the planet so from that position we I would say more people than the Salinas moment. More people are thinking about each other trying not to spread the virus to each other thinking on at least on a national level. Okay well we need to protect the people who are around us. But I think we're also thinking internationally like isn't it interesting? What's going on in Europe? What's going on in in an all these different places so I think there's a global perspective for one thing as a result of this current situation. Now I started out by saying you know. There's a benevolence to this this thing this virus and the Benevolence of course correction if we continue down violent pass the amount of death the amount of pain the amount of suffering that would take place would so completely dwarf what's happening because is virus. Dwarf it. I mean the the unbelievable paint so so I think what this is is an easier softer way toward change. Now let's look at how we've already been changed right now in the last. Let's say lost thirty days. We are unified in an effort to not spread this day. We are being made to slow down. Have too busy nece and the addiction to having have to a great extent for most people called were being asked to go home and I take away from. That is not that we're being asked to be in a home space like a house or an apartment. But we're we're being asked to go hoping to capitalise heart with a capital H. And we're being asked to slow down to be quiet to pay attention. Just the exercise. Imagine the exercise of not touching your face that requires tremendous awareness. That you have to wake up from sub-conscious patterning picking your teeth picking your nose rubbing your eyes or like fixing your hair like all of a sudden you have to be more aware you have given myself corona virus probably ten times over and just the last hour none of honor and before it would have been twenty times. I'm going to be on your hands alive and whatever so. We're being asked to go home to be still to spend time either with ourselves or with whomever else in our home. Our family or loved ones our children. Our parents and being asked to more aware. More quiet more introspective and as a Yogi in a teacher of Yoga. Meditation and I. I just hope that people begin to get this to really get. This is not about me being a teacher of Yoga. Meditation Yoga Meditation. A really good idea for everybody like this is not like this is good for this person but not good for that person like anything that helps your body to process toxins out of your body anything that helps your mind to process mental. Toxins out of your mind. These are good ideas. Anything that leads to your calming and less anxiety less fear less worry. These are good ideas anything that promotes better thinking clearer. Thinking intuitive capability. These are good ideas and now because of this virus. These things are happening more than they are. And I'm also aware that like what you're saying is beautiful and I'm also aware that in our home still. There are so many distraction. This is really important in one of the things that will I wanNA talk to you about his practice actual practice. But I wanna something else that you said. This might be a good segue into that something else that you said on our phone call actually recording. Michael Beckwith who I think was in India with you and he said something about forget about saving the system is broken and instead what was really saying was serve. What's coming and the way he put it was served. The Emerging Paradigm if you have a broken economic broken political broken healthcare and broken education system. Why would you put your energy into keeping it alive in exactly the same way that it was? I'm not saying kill it. I'm not saying revolt against it. I'm just saying be present to what's coming and serve that. That's what I took from what Reverend Michael was saying and he he just lit it up. He always likes it up. Let's elaborate on this because you know it's easy to get abstract philosophical and I wanna try to grounded in our everyday practical reality whatever the hell that means but as much as possible but but I really get the distinction there is it's not about. Let's tear down. What exists I mean hell the krona virus do enough for us. I mean the economy like what's happening right now in. Its isn't it interesting to hear these pretty much exclusively older white men argue for flip the switch back on who cares if a whole bunch of people die. We need to get the numbers up. We need to get the. The output needs to get going. We're it's really just fascinates me and so in any case that I don't have take on those voices again the Krona virus is GonNa do. It's thing it's perfectly designed even if we if we rush through this to try to get back to the old paradigm to quickly. It's just GonNa do the job. It's GonNa destroy an an even deeper level so serving what is emerging. Like how do you do that? What is emerging even like this stop? Everything's being ground to a halt. What what's coming? What's next give you a concrete example right from now? Everyone who teaches yoga? Well everyone is an exaggeration. What we've seen is an explosion of free and donation based Yoga classes online. Since this thing broke out we've seen an orientation towards serving and towards service more than I've ever seen before we've seen speakers. Authors Teachers Writers Nutritionists Life Coaches Educators thought leaders in every field. Come forward and say I'm presenting something to you and it's free and it's not part of Big Five Year plan either to grow a business or two. It's like in this moment. This is how I served here. You go so so you asked. What's coming yeah? This is what's coming. We will orient toward helping each other. We will have to shift our economic system in a way again. I'm not saying you throw the whole thing away. Within what is we have to shift MRS reprioritisation? This is a reallocation of finding ways to share wealth. That's why we call it a Commonwealth because there's Commonwealth. I'm not suggesting a communist approach. I'm suggesting an allocation of funds in a an approach reorient a reorientation towards service that has been unprecedented in our culture to this point early in the twentieth century. A law was passed in the United States which gave corporations the same legal rights as individuals. That was a terrible mistake and we have paid the price for that mistake for the last hundred plus years laws like that have to be cooled back they have to be reframed rewritten to support the Commonwealth corporations that are making a tremendous amount. Money have to support the rest of society not not single handedly but they have to contribute. And and so you'd say well there's a tax system for that will not exactly yes but no. It isn't working so there has to be an orientation at the level of corporations and at the level of systems civic governance and state and Federal Governance. There has to be a way for us to get into the discussion for how we're going to deal with the growing economic problem in our society even before this was going on we have an enormous divide between peoples who have and people don't have in our society now with Corona. This is what I mean. By by serving the emerging paradigm the Emerging Paradigm is not emerging. It's here now. It's here right now. How are we going to support the millions of Americans just in this country the millions of Americans who are out of job all of a sudden the WHO knows how many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of companies that are going to go bankrupt? We can look at that as an unbelievable tragedy? Oh my God will never get through this or we can put your mind towards the solutions and say okay. What's the opportunity here? What's needed is people helping people. We're going to have to create ways for people to do that. That is going to create new jobs. That is going to lead into an orientation of service and that is going to solve this problem. I Like I love that word orientation oriented you know 'cause even as as a man myself it's like I've looking back in my life. I've felt like I know what disc oriented feels like just meaning. I don't know what the Fuck I'm serving. Where am I going? What am I using my skills for? You know I was in the military. Didn't really enjoy the orientation that I was given their didn't it didn't align deeply with me and just other things and I think this word oriented because we're oriented towards something whether it's you know in in our country it's been money profit motive. You know bottom line numbers and I think what would I do what I find so just wildly fascinating about this? This pandemic moment is it is here here. We are even those of us. That don't believe or think we'll we're not sick in the moment or we don't think we don't think we will get sick. Whatever there is an invitation and even the almost are becoming more and more a requirement. We need to care about grandma or the worker that we you know who might get sick if we you know the CO worker the family member or it's like we're being required to care about our neighbor in ways that I have not really experienced in my lifetime. Well that's an awakening that awakening comes at the hands of a virus. Amazing it is amazing and and so that's why I say we can look at this virus from all different perspectives. We can run from it and we can pretend like it's the boogeyman and it's going to get everybody which it isn't. We can look at it in realistic terms week. We do need to stem its spread. We do need to practice these these processes of social distancing extra hygiene really paying attention and taking care of ourselves for however many months it takes so that we can save lives and make us less painful for everybody but again. It's like you know if we're all doing and if everybody you know really really does what's necessary for as long as it takes then we're going to move into a place where the next right thing. We may not do it because we don't always do the next right thing but at least the next right thing will be present and the next right thing for me again is going to have to do with serving people helping people get on their feet giving people opportunities. This is the rest of us who have means who have privileged who have money and support are going to have to help people who don't not out of some savior complex but more out of we're together in this week half to serve each other and if there's someone out there that needs than let's figure out a way to get them what they need like such a unique time because even just take the whole renter landlord situation. Landlords can't just a VIC people who can't pay rent right now because there's no one there to take the place gets a law anyway and law but it would also just be against common sense because there's no one to fucking take their. There's like everyone is being affected at every level that there is this sort of business fascinating comeback to that pause that stop that screeching halt to the old momentum of something has to be done. I have to do something I have to get the numbers right. You know work on that. The numbers don't right then. I need to exercise. Cut Out whatever's not working and replace it with something that will and like that whole paradigm is at least for the moment is just stopped to a dead halt so we we stop before we start in love it. That's good let me ask you them. Because you know I'm one of those coaches in the world that my business has already been online for many years and I'm I'm very well suited to sort of take this moment in run with it and it's so easy to do that from the old paradigm of well. Oh my God something's happening. I have to take advantage of it. I have to notice I have to. I have to serve. I got a right after right. The thing I have to create the thing I have to offer the thing I have to. Oh my God I don't like that just seems like that saying rearranging my furniture inside the prison cell. So what's the next immediate practice or step? How do I know what to offer what to do? Well you spend a little bit of time. I don't want this to sound simplistic. The American mentality is about problem solving which is not a bad mentality have and to be really really good at one. Has to balance thought contemplation. Meditation with action. You want to make sure that the strategy your employees to solve a particular problem is based in number one truthfulness inclusivity. And you really really WanNa be good. You want it to be successful. You want to develop skill. So the reason that we're being asked stop right now is to begin to lay the foundation for making better decisions individually and as a collective you can make better decisions from calm. Replace every nobody. I don't think anyone in the world would refute that we can make better decisions more effective strategies from calmer place so that means that we have to work on being calm in the face of this difficulty which is huge for some people. They're losing people who are close to them and so there's grief and loss involved in their life and it's very painful so I I'm not discounting the extraordinary situations that people are going through. Also there are healthcare workers right now who are working twenty hours a day putting themselves at risk to help prevent the loss of life down the road and so. I'm also where these people these people are already serving the emerging paradigm. They're ahead of the Kirk. They're in positions of service. And they're doing it. So what we do is we have to sit still and developed a practice. Every day. I call it a morning practice. In Yoga we use the word Saad. It just means a practice that put you in touch with yourself. I calmed down. You'll learn how to breathe you. Learn how to meditate. I'm talking about initially maybe twenty minutes thirty minutes later on when you fall in love with it. Maybe it's an hour of your morning but at first. Just twenty minutes learning technique. There are so many there are so many teachers you can take class with any given morning. Eight thirty AM PACIFIC WAR. It or a hundred or thousand other teachers. Where where would they take that class with you? Oh you can. You can join our classes. You sign in at our two zero dot com forward slash yoga today. Okay are two zero and that'll be in the show notes. If you can't write this down right now yes so you come in you. Practice create a foundation of stability calmed now breakthrough the need to do and to have these times require a contraction. These are not expensive times. These are times where we need to come back into the case when you look within we need to calm down and not being a you know. Knee jerk reaction to every fear that your mind can drum up will drive you to places. You don't WanNa go so if we're GONNA be skillful about this. Let's start with ourselves as individuals and let's get control exists for me the orientation with Yoga. Topsy part of my story and the Reprioritisation of this time says to me one hour a day I can give an experienced people that can make a sincere difference in their day and I feel a sense of duty to do. It doesn't cost anything people are donating which is wonderful. But you don't have to. That's what I can do. That's enough if someone calls me and they ask for help I will help them if I can. That's enough anything else at this time of contraction for me is too much. I have to take care of myself as well and so for me. There's my practice there's nine diet. There's walking outside in nature which I'm blessed to be able to do every day connecting with my wife and then a series of people that I love dearly that I get to speak to on the phone and go through this thing together. I have a thought UNAMBITIOUS. Thought ABOUT HOW? I'm going to build my business sometime in the future. I tried to catch it right away and say Tommy. You know what this is not the moment for that. Thought you figure that out later. This is not the time right now. Calmed down these still have an ambitious thought about some kind of massive created. The thing that needs to happen and recognize now that because of this virus are seen this this thing and that thing many take a double sit down on Your Butt. Closure is start breathing. Deeply connect with the center. Come home obey. Obey the calling of this morning. Don't fight don't argue with anybody. Just obey the quiet in the silence of this moment and if you do that. I have great faith if we can all do that. I have unbelievable faith that we're going to move forward. Learn the lessons of this time and come out better than we went in. Yeah that's beautiful. I'm I'm reminded of a distinction. I work with a lot of the difference between inspired action versus anxious. Action inspired action versus anxious action. Anxious action is that I have to do it. I need to do it if I don't do it. Something battle happen and I can do that all day. Fucking long. Lived a lifetime that way and it's just you know Godmanis what what would a stressful way to live? Whatever the results and inspired action really does require me to. I stop to be still for moments bereaved check in like a snow globe. Little those little those wild crazy ambitious anxious thoughts the half twos the need to the sheds all that settlement subside. And that that takes that can take them a minute or an hour or a couple of days or three months of quarantine to yes. Well I think it's really important for all of us to understand that we influence each other and this is such an important point at this time. I can't speak to somebody who's very very anxious and not take on a little bit of that or react to it totally in some way because I recognize as a human being. Encore without having to take on that fear or that anxiousness but I recognize that. Yeah you know the ambition and the doing and the having enough we gotTA GROW. GotTa be gotta be that recognized that that is a phenomenon in our world very much so in the Western world particularly and that we're all in it we all feel in it almost everybody that I ever connect with feels part of that. Because we're influencing each other and there's a collective consciousness of that now there's a different collective consciousness and I think we have a choice and so I remember having a conversation with a friend and this friend is very very very anxious very intense in their energy. And I'm not that anxious and I'm not that intense in this moment and what I recognize is it bothers them that I'm not caught up in the same way or I don't share the same level of concern and what I am. We talk about that and what I say is well. I'm very concerned for the well-being of people especially are elderly and immune compromised and children very concerned and as a result of that concern. What I'm able to do is to pay attention to the the very y strategy of social distancing attention to my my movements hygiene practice teach share help in whatever way I can but beyond that none of this is Mike Control. Those are literally the only things I can do and I had to come to peace with it and because I've come to peace with it I'm not drawn into anxiety each day. It's not that I don't care it's that I recognized. I do care and I'm doing everything I can because I care and beyond that I have to let go and since I do have a profound belief in the creative consciousness of the universe at some people call God other people call the quantum field and every name in between those two ideas. I have a profound sense that we are being guided and I believe that it is ultimately benevolent. And I live in that understanding. And so I'm not going to engage at that same level of fear anxiety intensity as I as I hear. Some folks doing and that is not a judgment of those people. It's just a decision on my part I it's it's three words for me not my preference and that's it and that's all. I need to know not my preference is a judgment. It's not oh I'm right someone else's wrong no. I'm having my experience having your experience I get it. I just choose this experience. And that's that's all I can do. That's all any of us can do. Yeah I like that not my preference one. Ask You one more question. And then we're going to wrap up with what I call the five key takeaways and this will be the five key takeaways Cortina edition. But I want to ask you a question first because this is a podcast that I conceived for men. We have a lot of women listening. I want to talk for a moment in this last question about that part of us. That thinks like I gotta do this by myself. It's on my shoulders. I gotta get me and US through this like I have to do it alone. You know that kind of Lone Wolf like they're alone or going it alone. Don't have a lot of US still. Don't have you know the father figure that we can look up to for wisdom and so we tend to look to celebrities or politicians who just don't know what the fuck they're talking about either and I'm curious Tommy for men listening out there. Perhaps even for their partners that might be listening to this. That are with a man or no amendment. You have a brother or somebody who's still kind of mindset of that old paradigm of I gotTa Get through this myself. I'm on my own or isolating. I mean Jeez. You know the whole social distancing. What a terrible choice of words physical distancing has sort of been the rallying cry let's physical distance but not socially distance. I'm curious what would you say? What wisdom could you offer in the face of that inclination towards Kinda masculine isolating thing? It's simply the idea that we are alone. Disconnected or an island unto. Ourself is a misunderstanding. It's simply not the truth. Everything is connected to somebody else. And if you don't understand that here's just an example. You aren't here without your mother and father. You are here without that so if nothing else. Your entire existence was dependent upon actions that at least two other people took. It doesn't make a difference. You've been influenced so nothing is ever done alone. It's just we're all in this together and the quicker that we understand it and the quicker that we can really tap into our own personal piece of divinity our own personal piece of strength our personal empowerment and be able to serve the collective from that place. I think the better things will be for all of us. I'm the lone ranger concept. There may be exercises that we need to do without other people around your solitude. Your aloneness is one of the most important things that you cultivate. But in your aloneness you have to understand that you may feel alone in a good way like until myself in this moment but in the greater sense it's just simply not. What would you encourage a man to do then? At this time when I mean it's such a unique opportunity to reach out to reconnect. I was talking to a friend yesterday. And just asking him about his friend and talk to in a while. And it's fun about this repeal reconnecting with old friends and talk to in a while and I asked him about his brother because I knew they used to be closings like I haven't talked to him in a long time like all really interesting brother again. I just know there's so many men that I've I've worked with that. I've known that I've been myself that man who just another it's just picking up the phone insane hollow's heart. Would you recommend enquire within so the exercise is if you want to work on building more connection with people? If you feel like you're isolated or you feel that life could be more joyful if you're more connected to certain people and you're hesitant to reach out to people or let's say you're in trouble and you actually need help or guidance or maybe you're not in trouble but you just need direction. But you're hesitating the inquiries I you have to notice. Oh I'm hesitant somewhere in my mind. I think it'd be a good idea to call my brother somewhere else in my mind. I've got real resistance to that. Okay why this is an enquiry without this kind of self enquiry. You'll just stay in the unknown. It's you'll stay in ignorance and I don't mean that as an insult it means you're ignoring something You'll be in ignorance. Resistance is disputed. Just exist it continues to exist but you might not even notice it but at some point things get uncomfortable or maybe somebody like you said to your friend. Wow how long have been and you bring it up to someone's minds right and maybe it's been in the subconscious for a year and really call my brother near why not well to be perfectly honest if I'm thinking about it because we've been really nasty fight era and I don't like the feeling of being around my brother and that's not the full truth so you have to inquire and that you have to go down this road of understanding your decisions with regards to drawing away from other people not asking for help when you need it. Maybe you don't feel safe asking someone for help because maybe they're not the right place to go. Well then that means that you have to start to actively seek out direction safety like you know I go to twelve step meetings Sometimes in quite a bit there was some twelve step meetings where I felt not so much like sharing just felt I didn't know people so well or it felt a little uncomfortable and and then I get to other twelve step meetings where maybe I knew a few people or something about the vied in the room like just felt better and I felt safe to share their and I shared and then maybe speak to a couple people afterward that was me reaching out into a community of people who I know are actually working on being better people. Now if I didn't have that community and I'm sort of by myself and I'm like well I'd like to stop drinking MS meeting. I like to stop drinking or leg to stop smoking smoking pot or or cigarettes or whatever but I'm just sort of under myself. I'm just trying to do it and I just keep failing. Obviously I need to reach out to somebody who knows something about that so. I'm being directed what I'm trying to express his on being directed by my challenge. My challenge in life shows me where I need to work where I need to go so I I have to inquire. Why do I keep doing? This is hurting me. Why do I keep engaging in a behavior that continually brings me to this place feeling shitty about myself? There's a good questioning there and that will lead you to. Hopefully if you're open humble willing that will lead you to asking somebody who knows something about this for help out that answer questions. Yeah thank you actually. I'd realize was also there is actually one more question to ask before are five key takeaways finale. And IT'S AGAIN. It's very unique to the moment. But it's curious You in key. I know you spend a lot of time together as it is. You travel all over together. Now here you are in quarantine together. Do you have any specific practices to to navigate the tight space? We have a few unwritten sort of things that we follow rituals almost yeah rituals guidelines. Okay one of them is we each have a practice in the morning. Sometimes we have a similar practice or we'll practice together because we decided to on that debt but very often we have different practices. She has needs. I have different needs. We respect that so her practice is sacred to her. My practice is sacred to me. We have to allow each other that whatever. That looks like if I'm done with my practice. I don't go in and bother her if she's done with her practice she's she. Lets me be until I'm done? We try to get together for a tea ceremony every day. So we have. We have a very high quality tea that we get from a wonderful company called living And we sit across from each other and we pour multiple sleeping's some wonderful teams whether that's from China or long tea or a red tea or whatever it is never brings us into connection with each other and finally we take a walk every day. We have to go outside. Not a day will go by where we must go out in nature and we don't always do that together but often we'll take a walk together sometimes Sheer I will go out by ourselves from other than that. I just WANNA say when we get into sort of a conversation. That's difficult for us or there's an energy and it's not flowing in the moment you we've given up the idea of having to fix that and we just allow things to be for a little while we go to our corners and then we come back and just sort of be around each other without forcing anything. Yeah and I've had to learn that really the hard way for the last twenty years in this relationship and so it's really important because you know I wanna fix things right away right. Yeah and he has much more introspective. Much more meditative in her approach than I am and so she might sort something out in her meditation for me communicator. That's not good enough. You know we. We need to get out to process out loud. They'll get the throat but are all on the table and this sort through she's willing uh-huh maybe not right away. Yeah so I need to allow that process. Also she also recognize that most of the way I are right right totally at the end of any given day. We have to tell each other. You know. We're so blessed I love you. I recognize how blessed we are. And what a great day. Yeah let's rest well and again tomorrow do it again tomorrow. That's right gratitude. Gratefulness for what we have again tomorrow. Tommy fantastic man. We're not done just yet. We're GONNA wrap up with the five key takeaways. Quarantine edition key takeaway. Number one is a key insight and remember. This is the quarantine edition. What's the one key insight you would offer our listeners? That can help them. Make the most of this fascinating pandemic moment meditate end of the story. Learn a meditation practice right away today right now. If you don't already have one learn a simple meditation practice and then do it as a practice at least one time every single day preferably in the one could beautiful and and I meditate every morning as well at least ten minutes sometimes as much as thirty usually silent but sometimes guided you once or twice a week. I'll do a guided meditation and it is game changing. If I don't do it. My Day feels viscerally different in a way that I don't like on board with that absolutely key takeaway number two key mentor name. Another man that you've been inspired by living or dead whose teachings or mentoring is serving you powerfully in navigating this particular moment therefore can't mention one without the other night I got it. First and foremost group Rim goodhue Prem Singh Khalsa. My Life Teacher Mentor Guide. Just a special human being that. I was so fortunate to come across in my life. Good you sing credible. Human being sees the universe multi verse in ways that very few and I've been so blessed and so grateful to know him as well Swami Cheating on Saraswati who Swami Ji as we call him. Who is in India holding down at the par? Martha Nicholson Shrimp in Rishikesh. His example of service his guidance his love and his presence. All that he doesn't the world cannot be put into words. Much of an influence. It's been on me and last but surely not least a-nond neurotrophic. I'm during one of the most wonderful teachers such a wise and caring man. And I've been so uplifted in so blessed by his his wisdom and his council and his teachings and there are so so so many of and Ted Danson thank you okay number three key resource your most impactful inspiring book movie or Podcast the last year that you recommend for quarantine digestion echo toll as a new earth who. Yeah when I read when I read that book the first time in new been multiple revisits to it. I just feel that it to me. It's it's what's called Vidana. What I mean by Donnas? There's nowhere to go from there. That's it if you can grasp the ideas in that book then you're there. Yeah you can experience that reality that is expressed in those pages. There's nowhere else you need to. It's funny when I read that book back in Gaza would have been like what two thousand eight or so when it came out seven. Eight something like six seven eight somewhere around there. That is an epic great great suggestion number four key investment in the last year was the best thing that you spent money on. And let's say under a thousand dollars that you're now grateful for especially given our current circumstances I would have to say the production studio which is set up that I'm sitting in nine now that that investment of money to get these lights and a few things that allow me to communicate from here is well. Look what's happened is in quarantine to hear what I can still communicate and it has just made such an enormous difference in my life. There are many many other things that I named the first one that comes to my mind and the fifth when you've actually answered it's it's the key practice. Something challenge our listeners to take on for the next seven days. I'll give you another one. We put together a completely free no strings attached whatsoever program called the Fourteen Day Morning. Practice Challenge Grade. All you have to do is go to morning. Practice DOT com. That's good sign up for the fourteen day challenge. There's no barrier to entry. You'll get an email everyday with video from me and we'll send you one practice that you do every morning same practice. Every for the fourteen days the practice itself is sixteen minutes long. That's one six lazing grace. Sixteen minutes long. I challenge everyone watching or listening to this to the fourteen day morning. Practice challenge do that. Okay I love it. It's wonderful and again so that's morning. Practice DOT COM. And of course again this will be in the show notes at Brian Reeves Dot com slash men. This way podcast. Everything will be in the show notes including those four names and Ted Danson and links to all of them and in all that stuff. So Tommy finally man. You've given a few websites already. Where would you want our listeners to go to learn more about you so again that morning practice dot com a great place to start with what we offer? 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Ross Marquand, Jesse Joyce and Alison Rosen guest

Doug Loves Movies

1:05:32 hr | 1 year ago

Ross Marquand, Jesse Joyce and Alison Rosen guest

"Talk a lot more walls. Hey everybody name is Doug and I love Bubis this. Douglas Booby Homes alone version McHugh once again from doomsday it. Sunday May Third Twenty Twenty. And this show is happening. Courtesy of Zoom Dugout. Twos Amy's Comedy Club in Go to clubs in Chicago and Rosemont where I've been doing. Annual shows on May Fourth May Fifth. But this year. They've been pushed back to August in August. Two THIRTY THIRTY. I will see if it's safe to congregate by then I'm guessing not. I've got three three great guests who all took an hour out of their day of doing nothing actually the busiest days of their lives from what I've been hearing But they took an hour out of their busy days to be here with me and I appreciate that. Alison Rosen Jesse Joyce Ross. Marquand and new. Hello I didn't know and you're supposed to sing it like the three stooges hello perfect. Let's meet let's meet everybody individually and alphabetically starting with Jesse Joyce's year. Hey we're top agency working hard cracking jokes with the Jimmy Kimmel crew on his show right now right. Yes just firing jokes off into a slack APP on a daily basis but it's You know it's good work. You get it right no no. It's great. Yeah Yeah I mean. I'm one of the few people that can still keep writing these days. You can get paid for it so Yeah because you know so much else's shut down but the nice thing about the late night shows is they can just do it from a closet out. So yeah but I think I think I could speak for mostly riders when I say the private number one perk of being on a show like that is getting to watch the bands when they come through and play and Sedan Element is certainly gone for a while. You know. I'm an anomaly. In that way in that I absolutely do not give a hot fuck about live music and you'll have various levels of outrage at me for that guys fall that this is a movie podcast so I thought this was safe territory but I. I've been to concerts in my life and I really couldn't possibly be bothered to watch people play music. What what are the concert. Yeah well okay one was ACDC and that was my own doing in high school. And then I was Kinda like turned off by the concept because it was a bunch of dudes. My Dad's age pissing in the sink at an arena. And I was like okay. This is weird and then In College I was trying to date some went on a date with a girl to a smashing pumpkins concert. But I didn't really care about that one. That was more just a day and then I realized like adults. I don't need to pretend to like to watch people play music. He sounds about AC aside from the sink pissing did you like ACDC. Yeah Yeah I like them in high school. I like the music but I haven't. It's like to me like a concert is like watching someone cook. You know like like like I like I enjoy music. I like to listen to music but music thing you can listen to without observing it. Do you know what I'm saying to me. The the actual mass of seeing someone play drums is utterly uninteresting to me like I enjoy the sound the drums make but I don't care to sit there and watch him make it. Does that make sense Theo at a i? It's like You know it's similar to like You know museums like I don't know I don't know how long the you know you know. I don't know what about a time you're supposed to spend with any particular piece of art in so similarly when you're at a concert like you know I don't know how it is to be like. Oh I wish it saw and they get to the next one. Yeah Yeah you you have. We have like every recorded option to you. Could listen to it while you drive or do another thing to me. I don't know like I feel musicals and opera are different because there's a thing to see like there's something else going on there's a story but to just like listen to somebody cleaner set lists. I. I don't I don't need to watch this. That's what's what's funny to me is the You know most people hate musicals. Do love watching a band play. And I'm like well it's the same thing without a story like you're getting less. You're getting less entertainment for your dollar. Yeah I agree with you. Yeah yeah there's a guy dressed like the lion king running around it's far more interesting to me. Okay thank you for being here Also joining us Taking a break from Fake apocalypse at the with this during the real apocalypse Ross marquand. Hey did thank you for having me. I'm so happy that you're here man. It's been been a weird few months. What the Hell's going on what's going on with the you have a season of walking dead. That's like I don't know how much you can talk about. But it's like their stuff that's been shot correct. Yes I mean we've we've filmed all of us even ten so that's all done. We just need some extra time to do the post on the last episode but We were supposed to head back to season. Eleven or to begin filming in Lebanon this last week but obviously that's not happening anytime soon. So but who knows the governor of Georgia's like Hey? It's totally fine. You can come back to work so maybe we will become back toward soon. Everybody's GonNa have to wear masks. And then they're going to have to have. Zombie makeup on some regular makeup on other things. Really good idea or you just have to write. They just have to write into this crap that there's a biological threat as well and everyone just I. It's like zombies are coming at you. Don't kill them anymore. You just slip a mask on their face laid out give you. The disease should come right for his man. That's a good idea. This season eleven too so I mean I feel like anything goes. I feel like we're we're bound. Davos musical episode at some Point Fingers Cross. That'd be so great also joining us. Today is else in Rosen. Hello when you said we were GONNA go alphabetically. I was like rubbing my hands here. Like it's my time. 'cause. I thought you were going to start with first names and then I. Wow what what a cruel surprise it turned out to be. I'm unlash I also feel like I left Jesse hanging. Yes that makes sense. I personally would like to see ACDC. But I understand what you're saying Music question few alison laid on a how often in your life. If you had your how people quoted you lines from that. Elvis Costello Song of Veronica did I. That was what a classic misdirect I do. I back in the days of for some reason. It was more in the days of answering machines voicemail. I would get a lot of people singing that Classic Veronica on my answering machine. Don't get it that much anymore. Though all right well Miss Joe. Both of my wives have had to deal with Jesse's girl is that what drove them away. I still have the best life I have a better one so but but yeah no it might have something to do with it yet but what about your Kid Studio? Vinnie girls. That's right I have a daughter that wasn't I didn't mean like Oh that's right. I have a daughter like I just remembered. I have a daughter. I just put it together because you said that she is also technically Jesse's girl now so we'll have to deal about. How crazy would it be? If your wife's name was was Stacey go one kid would be staged Jesse's girl and then stacey would be your mom. Well no wait the girl she would have to be named stacy dotted jess girl and the mom. Okay I get it. Yeah Yeah so so. And so there would be a lot of factors. My wife would have to be which she. My wife is very attractive but she would have to be so attractive that somebody would randomly sing that about my daughter's mom and simultaneously the dead so but the match works. You're right I told you anything about music and also you mentioned which is accurate that this is a movie podcast however I need to know because I feel like a complete right now. Are there any Ross songs? Who Gosh I don't know if there are? I don't I don't think there's any songs with Ross and the title. Wow that's making me feel horribly inadequate right now should relevance. There's nothing even at Lisa. Kudrow like sang in the coffee shop and friends about all Smelly Russ I never. I never saw that show. I've seen like a couple of episodes but I never really watched. It's not really sure about them. I would now's your time to catch the shitty thing about pop. Culture is you don't have to have ever even heard Jesse's girl to have dumb asses at wedding singer to you all time. So yes somebody would've light you know if that song existed. I guess exactly. Yeah you're just GONNA have to settle for with Ross dress for less yet and I do shop there all the time. That's one of my favorite scores. Can we maybe writer Ross on today? Is that possible? No doorknob hard. Pass Jesse the union lettuce stomach sense. Okay cool cello. Should I put it back? Don't put it back? Please play the cello as the bass instrument for the Song Boom Boom Boom Boom. And how effortlessly you were able to lips instrument so quick dum boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. Ross Ross. All right Could you give us a new impressions? Ross they know that you like to do extremely brief impressions. I think I don't remember if I did last time I just. I cracked the CODE ON JEFF. Bridges recently in the last few several months then I'd also cracked the code on John Her today. 'cause I knew you were gonNA ask and I was watching Viva Vendetta the day and I was doing my most Ir John Good I I was like Oh shit I never knew retry jarred me from which by the way. Wash that movie again. If you haven't seen allow because it's very timely. But John Her. That was very good what I forget if you did jeff bridges before but I. I can never get enough. Jeff Bridges and Preston. Let's hear some Jeff Bridges. Okay man you know I do like the older man over guy you know dude you know he like the dude who likes to a little weed after taking our allies tron. Jeffords like more nowadays favorite Yeah True Grit Right. Yeah exactly he was. That's you know it's funny. The True Grit and Lebowski The dude were two of his more similar similar roles as it turns out you know. Just throw an eye patch on him and he's the same dog. Did I ever tell you I? I wrote a musical version of Tron in college that I ever tell you about that. I think you did and I think I was delighted by that. I put it up to. I really want to rewrite it in Pitcher to Disney to see if they'll let me do it because I feel like the world needs trump musical right now modernism. Yeah and his big corporations go. Disney has a great sense of humor about it. Good luck. Here's the part where I say a lot. I'd like to start with a new game. Suggested by Greg Bird hard on Social Media Act. Greg Bernard I like this idea. It's called Liar. Liar and I'm going to name a movie and three actors and go to you each individually back to the dreaded alphabetical order for. You'll be third. I'll give you the name of the movie we actors you. Just tell me which one is not in that movie and if you get it wrong than the next person has a chance to steal and so on. So the third person could get a Gimme. If the first two people screw it up. Now it's really working out for me. It could yeah but these these two. They're not gonNA screw up well before I came on here. I looked at my past episode on Your Wiki thing and I think I've lost every single month here. We go yell. You never know anybody could win these things. I will start with you Jesse. The motion picture is called home alone. Who was not in home alone. Between these three people hope Davis Karen CULKIN OR DONALD TRUMP. Hope it was. It was the last thing Davis. Jojo Davis Davis is definitely not in that one really no. I'm sorry. Don Trump is in home alone to die. Hope I didn't and so yeah. It's Donald Trump. He's not in the original our. I figured it out in time. That is correct. I'll trump does not appear in the first home alone when he is in to Boston. York one of the dumber cameos in mystery. If feels really like it was just set up by the city of New York and they didn't realize that the city of New York was as into trump as they thought. I feel what it was is that he owned hotel for that brief window of time and that was the condition on which he let them sell to show that I'm the owner of it makes perfect sense right. So Jesse you got one toy. We're going to start with Ross on this next Ross. Marquand godfather part three. Who's not in it? Abe the Goethe George Hamilton or Bridget Fonda Shit. And don't do your don't do your work out loud because the helps the next person okay. Good who asked me not to do my Marlon Brando impression. You can't if you go. Big Eight by. Goethe was bad one. I think he was done by then able to go to. I don't think that's your final answer. I think so because I mean I think I've only seen godfather part three once or twice. It was not my favorite but yeah I think I'm GONNA go able to. Goethe Goethe is correct yes say nice work. Alison here you go. Those fellas each got theirs rights. Let's see when you could go with this now. I the This is GonNa be hard to beat. But they're one point or got so much faith in you go. The motion picture is called Cocoon K. Ossie Davis Steve Gutenberg or rance. Howard who is not in Cocoon Ossie Davis Steve Gutenberg or rance. Howard this is hard and I'm GonNa keep my work internal so I am going to say rance Howard that is incorrect. Rats Jesse I was GONNA say rant. Our Navy just made up his dad and a lot of Lebron's moods got it. Okay all right okay so I can steal it so sorry so who were the other two. Well that's part of the of the steel is not going to remind shit okay then number two. It was It was Ossie Davis or Steve. Gutenberg Ossie Davis was not correct. He was really a bunch of old white people. There was a old black guy is there but that was my second gas. Your that's the thing is it's all about narrowing it down for something. What kind of name is rance Let's see what pre-bus is Iran's rights yet he's worries oh ranches like shorts or rancid probably depression. Yeah but listen. I don't want to go off on a ranch here. It's your you get to go first. Ross on this next one who is not in Gremlins to the new batch Brett Farve Leonard Maltin or Christopher Lee. Bread for breakfast seemed the obvious choice. But I don't think Brett Farve was in that movie with he couldn't have been that was ninety. Two wasn't really a thing. I guess he was a thing backbench. I don't I don't think up front was in it. Set Your final answer. Yeah I'M GONNA go breath for that is correct. Who a Man. Yeah a hardcover. Famous heads famous football players in it but not him letter mall. That's one of Letterman's only like two movie appearances. He always says nobody said yes. That one because You know you got to be attacked by GREMLINS and yeah. The late great. Christopher Lee was was against so now Ross and Jesse up two points Alison. You need to get on the board here. I now a lot of pressure this. I think this is a tough one to now. Because you've got the last one with an easy one is this is. The movie's called by best friends wedding. I hate that movie. But maybe that'll help me. Take it might clues nodded Dylan McDermott. Dermot Mulroney or Paul Giamati the Dylan McDermott Dermot. Mulroney thing is a classic confusing thing but I think Dermot Mulroney is not correct. I know we did. I just say Dermot Mulroney Kliment doing McDermott. What does the Nikki glaser situation? I forgot to ask if it was your final hits. I know but I think I'd already said my final answer. Just just so every. I know that I'm not getting this point. I can feel it slipping away from me. I don't think I ever had it but just so everyone is very clear in my head. I was picturing Dermot Mulroney and my mouth said the wrong one. Yeah I'D I. Two picturing dill Dermot Mulroney. Right now I just want to know that I knew I just messed up. Which is almost worse yet. Here's the best part is Jesse narrow. All he has to do is figure out what was the truth. Rut was what wasn't in that exchange Who's not in my best friends. Wedding will now. I'm like I never really appreciated the confusion between their names before until this now. It's all big soup and my ed so I'M GONNA say Donald Trump again is not. I would say wait. Shit what did she okay. So it's it's still a McDermott is not in. He's the one that's not in it. That's correct okay. My point. Thank you Dylan McDermott. Dermot Mulroney Ruber. Ever it is that what the guy's name it was the other guys in my best friends wedding. He's in there. Yeah so many names sound listener British away of giving everybody the exact same sounding. Name the couple of British right or any of the Laura Bridge Dylan McDermott. Oh yeah he is but still. Mcdermott has has gray shoe Polish in his hair for a character. He's playing now on. That ride Versi Netflix. Show Hollywood I. I like it but it's just to me. It's weird that he's like he's just like playing the old guy too early in his career. It just doesn't seem real. Like eighth graders put on a musical and some of them have to plan just as his grey-haired I'm up. Bide right makes them look like Richard Gere. But Richard. Gere's been great for fucking every okay. So Congratulations Jesse you one first game today. Thanks guys yes. I think it's the first game I've ever won this podcast. It's very exciting. And you always have the ability to play the cello back on that impressive skill and you know the first game doesn't really mean a lot. It's just to lead up to the. It just means you gotta go. I in our next game that we're going to play as soon as we come back from. These very important messages were back. That was painless right. Those messages were quick and fun and important. We did it. Okay so just see. Joyce you get to go first in this game is going to determine our winner today. It's a game called. It's the new super size extra special Last man or woman stanton the idea. Is that each of you. All three of my guests today will each. Pick an actor or actress that you think you know about of their thumbs. And then all four of US myself included will take turns naming movies that feature any one of the reactors we end up with each of you picking. What's the ideas you can cherry pick from somebody else's Actor you know leave yours alone to save for later in the game and just like in regular last man stand. The last person is still dating. Names is the winner naming the title of movie that one of the three actors within added. Okay I got it. Jessie what's WHO's your really think is in your wheelhouse. You all their titles and this this is like the first day of the popped into my head is kind of sort of a bad man but Mel Gibson. That's that's who I think. I probably know his catalog better. Well Yeah you're just you're you're kind of known for Kind of following the careers of Holocaust deniers peculiar that the the name popped into my head. I think I've gotta keep an eye on him. Make sure he's not ups anything you know. Just make sure he's making stupid movies. Yeah if does the first name popped into my head if in the course of you asking Alison and Ross. If I think of less problematic what I'll shut al. I think I'm going with him. I mean he's only problematic for me in the sense that I I've lost track of some of these movies. He makes just go straight to video or he's mad about things. Somebody did to his daughter. Yes but other than that. I do have a lot of Mel Gibson. Titles because he was in a lot of good or at least a notable films shot Ross. What do you think? Who's WHO's your Go-to here. I'M GONNA go with a less problematic. Aussie. I'm GonNa go with huge yet. Okay Billy I WANNA make it clear only started watching Mel Gibson movies after Alison got to throw it. In this case mix of Aussie actors. I am going to say Val Kilmer O. X. Like that but I feel like strategically if I had chosen someone less well-known. Who's done fewer movies? That would have been better but But I didn't get I mean that's the way to go like I always liked to say that you know it'd be firm if somebody picked James Dean you know. There's only three movies Ryan anyone could say. But but then you're putting yourself in a corner because you're you're you also have to continue naming Murphy so like what if I had said Yahu Serious Dyke idle because he the Aussie radio and I reserved is already right but if I can name four Mel Gibson? Titles than Allison's out right is that the second my understanding the point scoring system here. Well it's just a lasts longest serious. It's only been in two movies and periods. You know some Australian soap opera then like then by default we win. We have more movies right now. 'cause we can choose from any week like ours too right right right okay. Gotcha I WANNA know the second movie. The that he I just okay. I it's young Einstein and Dan. I know he did a second one right. I don't think so. Do Drop Dead Fred. No but yes dean. I think so. I think you're right. That was that was that young serious. I'm getting mixed up. I'm thinking of different comedians. Who had his one shot? He had young Einstein and then that was it but I mean he may be in other movies that were made. I know for that he would. He played some. He was in some movie where he played the gangster. Ned Kelly that I remember seeing the like he was like he's like Australia's Jesse James Early Australian Bank robber type. Yeah I'm thinking of a totally personal sorry so positive of that. I can't remember what it's called but he definitely played Ned Kelly because he was wearing like a iron gluck it on his head. Whatever do not want to talk about kind of. I think in the story of Ned Kelly. That was apparently part of it that it was like in the turn of the century. He liked covered himself in a suit of armor. Got into a shootout. So anyway it's not important. Look it up later. I bet yeah and it sounds like something is probably GonNa happen again in the news any day. Now right okay. So we got Mel Gibson. Hugh Jackman Val kilmer the films of all those men and will start With Jesse that go to Ross Alison then me Am Starts off with the film at any of those. Three guys is in the could take one. That has more than one of the minute. There's no bonus or anything for that but it sure would be fun. Okay I start. Let's braveheart. Okay what do you got for your first one? Ross I go with Logan excellent choice. You Alison I. Guess you're probably GonNa do a Val kilmer since everyone's sticking close to home. Well maybe I'll surprise you. What women want a dairy cow? Yeah exactly I'll tell you what women want. They want a maverick there. You go okay now again. So allie lethal weapon three. I like the way. You're playing a pretty clever. I don't I don't know what my strategy is. Ross Amana go with X. men I X. Men you okay this complicated Alison Passion of the Christ. Allison's friend to knock me out of the wait wait. The they're in the movie or they could just that'd be a sewer saying movies it. They directed I mean only one of the Directive Burgis. That's smell of course from now on. So Yeah we always love me directly to actress. You direct their their movies. They direct is like they. Were you know off screen character? Okay you could just Mel Gibson playing the Compassionate Christ playing the guy that's You know in the background laughing okay. So that that leaves open other director Oriel. They'll Gibson's but I'm going to say for my turn I'm GONNA say Lethal weapon the original. Okay yeah all right got it. We used to just back in the day. We call lethal weapon. Yeah it's like what was the Great War before the World War Two. Yeah I get it okay. Then I'm GonNa go with the bounty. Oh Nice yeah but it's just called the bounty but that's close enough. Oh really it is. Oh okay okay. So that counts. They shirted bounty because they had Italian paper Towel Company. Us well the director rule. I'm GonNa go apocalypse though. Yeah I just wanted somebody. To say out loud apocalyptic. Oh Yeah it's fun. Alison lame is awful. Familiar with that one are you. Are Those people that can't pronounce the blood name. Yeah I pronounce it. I do the same with the word macab. I think people sorta I really think that you know 'cause theatergoers for years before the movie came out pro is calling it les mis I swear to God it was just because people just could not pronounce the end of that word right at SOS. Easier to short may miss her off. Okay Labor's Lobola. I've gotta go with lethal weapon. Two I will see that and raise your lethal weapon four very good Ross. I'M GONNA go with X. Men three last and we have all those yourself As far as I don't remember what they're all mauled what number. They are Why okay Alison I'm going to go with real genius. Oh I forgot. It was still in this game that this is his first appearance. Mueller's yeah he's looming large over the whole thing also doubts. Val kilmer out for A. I'M GONNA go with top secret K. Tombstone Oh yeah. I'm your local borough. He's so good in that as that's probably my favorite tips down celebrities. Probably the greatest mustache contest overfill. Absolutely right you know what's interesting about it real quick. I went to tombstone and If you go to the museum and stuff that they have like the History Museum of whatever like they have you know newspaper clippings from the day from the epitaph. Which is the newspaper in to like. A lot of the lines in the movie are literally quotes like that. Movie is shockingly historically accurate so much of that of the stuff that has said dialogue is like real stuff that they actually said so. It's kind of all the more impressive when you compare it to Kevin Costner's like nine our version. That's just that like a big mess. Yeah but interestingly. Talk Val kilmer and Dennis Quaid. Both stole both movies in the same. Art is just the coolest. It's such a cool character you can't I feel like it'd be hard to fuck it out. Put Away Okay Who got a lot of time to think Rossett? What's that literally one day? Go Okay Love. The movie thought you were like went to the other side of the room or something. I heard a big noise inside and I want to investigate. So you're you're pointing to deliberately on a math. Okay Allison Kill me again. What's that that is a Val kilmer movie that also starred Joanne Whalley Kilmer? Ooh I had a crush on Belco for a long time. Maybe from a long time ago do you know where the two of them out tell you? Movie called Willow. I'll yes look at. That's my answer Jesse okay. Nobody said swordfish. She had so. That's a huge. It's true Ross. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA go for another Val kilmer movie that Since the longtime ago but seldom stayed us. Remember that yeah. I like that me too thousand Kate and Leopold That was a his first big movie. I can't remember. I don't think I liked that movie. That had time travel aspect right. He was charming as elemental. Germany did not like and they did not have him. There was a movie called. I think it was called. Alex and Emma didn't remember that. Oh yeah that was terrible. Yeah that was some bullshit Okay so You go all of you dump down on your own Val kilmer. I did I this is the VAL kilmer I like to bring up whenever his name's mention and that's MC gruber that but hasn't seen it. I need to see it. Oh my God last name is cut. He's like general or commander See a love it already do. Okay go with the Saint thus saying yes yes Simon templer back really to show off all these. Little carry is characteristic chops. You know fake mustaches. And she had Ramona's yeah. I think my favorite Komo performance aside from real genius was a kiss kiss. Bang Bang I. That's a good love that very good choice. Very good listen. I enjoyed him in the doors. Tease he did a good job in that I enjoyed him in. And this is a fine day. Oh at first sight for sight. Yeah he's blind and Mira Sorvino. Is The woman who falls in love with them anyway. That's right. How did I miss that? That's like the point of the movie is is that like. How could somebody love a blind person? It's hard because there goes by. People are crab because they can't they are played cranky alive. You're right now out. Potato Mary Cranky will really dark There it is moved the furniture again. Yeah okay wait this blind guy. Tang which is what goes on this Okay the professor and the madman very recent the professor and the Madman. Yeah it's it's Mel Gibson's most recent project ago that he directed at the guy who wrote the Oxford English dictionary. Oh Oh yeah. Who wouldn't love you know it's got everything it's got scientism and a guy who writing the toilet over writing a dictionary so it's got something for everybody but what it's but it sounds like it's two characters. Professor it's it's it's Mel Gibson. And Sean Penn. And Sean Penn. It's like a true story. And Sean Penn is supposedly a convicted murderer. Who happens to be like a savant genius? Who just happen to know every word in the world I think he's almost autistic or something he can. He knows all the words and and they'll give some place some kind of professor who sets out to create a dictionary and enlist his help from jail and they form a friendship so of course they do buddy cop film with Cravat sent in a state asylum in the eighteen hundreds. I love a good Cra von. Yeah I can't I can't believe that whole that whole thing exists and if it doesn't you just I wouldn't I really wish after this whole pandemics over can we all agree to where Croats like every day. Yeah Yeah we'll we'll have screening of. I played this while I watch the professor. I've never really worn a CRAVAT. Except for the time it'll play Dracula in college and I always want to go back to that era. Also you know. It'll it'll suffice as a spare mask if you forget true. Yeah yeah up over your face. It's just it's essentially a for fancy people right. It's a Nike okay. So that that was really Fascinating Ross yovany movies. You'd like to make open now known said Batman Forever Right Nope Cool Batman for yet. There's still quite a few titles left on the table. For All of these gentlemen. I mean I'm using the term loosely. Of course ellison talk. No-one said Topgun right Would they though you're right? Yeah Okay thank you. I had to go through the list. You Know Mel Gibson. No you Jackson Ryan. Oh Yeah kilmer's until good ice man. I wonder if he's given the new one they do. They show him in the trailer. See Him think he is certainly not in good shape or whatever. He's all about suburb turquoise now according to a picture I saw Val kilmer is currently in the desert wearing a lot of silver and turquoise before that he was he wasn't sandwich yeah he was touring for a while as Mark Twain. Yes where he would. It would show a movie of himself doing a one man play as Mark Twain and then he come out and do a Q. and A. With the crowd and of course everybody Sas about all his awesome movie roles up Mark Twain. Did that really happen? And He tried to stay in character and answered no. He didn't do in character. He uses Val kilmer. But Oh you know instead of acting as a Mark Twain lives the film and then came out to quest locally okay. That's exactly like an an evening. Val kilmer and his opener is Mark Twain. Talking for ninety minutes. I'm in I would do no wrong. As far as I'm concerned I definitely was curious to see it as I mean especially the queue in part because I you know I think he does have a good sense of humor so it's probably pretty entertaining the listen to master the same questions. He's gotten over and over again for a million years right. I think he should have had to have stayed in character as Mark Twain and then try to befuddle. Ably explain what a fighter jet is when somebody has to. What's up gun because I bet you that does happen? A bow kill Raises Their heads as what? Why is the judge explained how the planes work all right So Alison said Topgun. So I'm GONNA say Have we really done? All the Dow kilmer's has got to be savell. Kilmer slipped out there out there alone in strident and scared. Save him okay. Warriors GonNa go crazy obvious one for Hugh Jackman and say Australia. Doug I met saved them. I didn't mean save him for me. I met. You said they're alone and out there and scared and I met saved them like they need rescuing nope. I saw how we do it in this country. We just leave him there. Yeah you know what they said. Worked Harder Jesse well then going along with that. Seems the greatest showman. Oh yeah I totally cut out? What was your answer housing? She said a top guy and then we talked to a top gun for a while. Then I said Australia is it my greatest showman and then now it's you owe gratiot opposite. Prisoners was Jason Hall to. Oh yeah love that mood ellison. I don't think we've done wolverine like. Oh we haven't we haven't said that one that was just called Wolverine. We haven't said that. I think it's like Wolverine X men origins but I'll give it to you. Thank him just because you're smart enough to remember at Oh I'm excited to say I have a Washington but he's a new movie that's on. Hbo called Bad Education Tonight. I heard that was good. I WanNa see it Jesse. Yeah Okay Man. Without a face ooh very good Mel Gibson cool. I forgot about all that old Gibson. Shit yeah yet. Ross that just made me think of forever young. That's right. Yup I ever young with Jamie Lee. Curtis Oh yeah Belsen you know when you get to the bottom of tissue box or like an adding machine tape and it's there's a color to indicate that time to replace it like my answers now have colors to them. Meaning I'm getting to the bottom of my list. I'm just everyone now. Heat kilmer's he'd that's right. Oh my God yes. Yeah very good at all time. Yeah it's excellent work. Brought up the neck Kelly suit of armor shootout and then we said the. Maybe someday that will happen again and then didn't connect the anyway go on. Check this out the island of Dr Moreau Oh yeah that's a good one. Yeah that's fun Jesse. Okay my turn against I'm GonNa go bird on a wire. Oh Yeah Mel and Goldie. They don't make them like that anymore. As the prestige male cool petty. I love that movie. Alison a patriot. Good one that's not good movie. Good one thank you all terrible horrific and I don't think I've never been as excited to see a movie on and I I was Super Lead Dowd. Just so sad. What's the dude? That guy played He was like the taxi driver in the In the old TV commercials. Donald something out vogue. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. He has this line like he just. He plays like a racist to the whole movie and then at the end in the last battle he turns to this black volunteer soldier and he just goes. I'm honored to serve next to you. Honored like he says it twice like he does that awful thing where he just repeats his own line. It's just it's so bad. I wanted to be so good anyway. Sorry going Oh. It's Fi- gauges gives the other players the chance to think raw requests under close to the end of Mel Gibson. Oh yeah he's got a few was elephants tournament. Turn it's your turn breath here Saudi rice. Okay okay okay. This Aronovski ski film. Shit Ellia ritualized. God found the phone. Yeah Right Yep yeah I could remember what it's called a fountain rise in the value. The Falcons you run Loma Hugh Jackson Shit need could take there's still a lot of Gibson's del Kilmer's Lira. Run LITTLE DRIVE. What are you add? Alison I Sifting through on panning for a movie in my brain. I don't I think I'm out. I don't think I have any more sorry guys. It was a great run. Thank you did better than I normal. I do think you did great. Thank you all right. So it's a and you can still play the cello. Don't forget that you've always got the cello. That's my insurance policy. You guys so I've got to go with for Mel Gibson. Say the singing detective. Play like old guy in law dates. Rake up in that right. Okay I will do drag. The cost concrete. When you said the said Caraway's about letting about the million dollar hotel was being detective. Yes Million Dollar Taylor had like a neck brace. Jovic using them and give the Million Dollar Hotel all. Yeah yeah that sounds right. Well you might WanNa check me on that. Because I don't know if read about that now I buy is like yeah. I totally agree with that answer. Okay that's all we've got corrections department is out for the summer. I'M GONNA go with Another Mel Gibson of course got a few bouncing around they can't settle on one Shits Camman Nell. Was that one where he was like. Ak was so good it gives. It just came in a I don't WanNa take up too much of anybody's time under slipping in and out of Oh Shit. Goddamn it now. I can't remember which one it was. He's in a franchise. Usc Franchise Series of movies. I don't know which one was in so just in the interest of time I'm GONNA I'M GONNA call it and I'm GonNa go to you Jesse. Okay what do you mean you're gonNA call it like I'm out? You're Oh really. Oh okay okay so the GRINGO. Oh Shit I was GONNA say that. Oh sorry rich. What real steel. Yara bacteria oral era. But's that's a good one okay. So edge of darkness. That's a more recent one too right now. That's like that was pre. Now gives him being a bad person but when he was like sort of the ninety s version of Liam Neeson. Somebody stole his daughter. Dang so yeah I'M GONNA go with one of my favorite movies and where my first crushes Mad Max beyond Thunderdome when I love God damn it. I was going to go back and do some those mel movies. I totally forgot to back Jesse the original Mad Max Mad Max Aroo in your face road warrior. Road Warrior Goodwin Hacksaw Ridge Oh shit camera. We were soldiers I hadn't thought of that went. Good one yeah. Okay The beaver Oh yeah the believer on your own moorhead. It's just basically is it Michael. He's just doing Michael caine voice. I didn't see it. It seemed embarrassing. Issue really back right yeah. It's really weird. It's like a terrible movie but it's but it is strange that he keeps talking stupid beaver puppet and it sounds like it. Sounds like Michael Caine when it talks. what are you got anything else? Ross boss level data come out yet but I know but they were in that. So that's why no but pasta platelets has come out yet. Mel Gibson movie or maybe it's come up this year. I made the mood has come out. Okay then X. Men two electric A. How many do you have so damn it? I'm fucked? I've started to get low and I didn't realize he still had more X. Men Movies to go all right so I'm going with the candidate. That's a new Hugh Jackman movie that one he plays Gary Hart. Oh Oh yeah. That's our that movie's called though. Oh it's nine it's called it's called. I know what it's called the are called that. Oh it's the front runner dammit. That is what it's called. You're right the FRAT around both added steel. 'cause yeah it's the candidate was that old. Robert Redford. That's right. Yeah Yeah Yeah you're right. You're right and then but since raw slipped in with the front runner. I'M GONNA call him the winner today. It's wrong you know what the time down because I literally cannot say I'm out I couldn't think of a single so Ross. Yeah that is perfectly. That was beautiful. I don't think I've ever won the show. And I'm so happy you finally did it under strange circumstances alison. We're years later. I'm still here. Yes I am. Congratulations Ross for for waiting around. Allison do you have anything that you would like to plug? I would just like everyone to check out my podcast. Alison Rosen. Is your new best friend. an childish and Your best friend to the week comes at Monday and Thursday and childish comes out Wednesday and childish. That's my podcast the Greg Fitzsimmons. We are now putting the video from our podcast up on Youtube. So go to YouTube dot com such Alison Rosen for that And the video from Putting up by Patriae on and also I'm on Cameo. Oh Nice how much. How much are your cameos? Minor thirty five which you might think. That sounds a little high for you but it's working out for me. Jila. Yeah because it it it you know the people that are doing it or more committed in St. You know it's less of a throwaway to those people. It's yes sir is for meaningful charge more to play the cello shot. Yeah I bet a separate account. It's a separate secret account just for my butt naked naked cello that include my feet. It's cottage industry. It's helping me lean dive. I subscribed to Yoyo Ma's version of that similar. He's my inspiration guy sir. Go all the way. This'll be quicker game if we were naming cellists. That's out now. I don't. I don't know that have any you'd think I would have given my prodigious playing guys who are into a guys who are into cello players really like Elbows knees and feet Because those things you could see Okay so Ross marquand season. Eleven of walking. Dead will happen someday. Yeah I guess we'll see hopefully hopefully this pandemic again soon so we can actually film the the fake apocalypse opposable where you hear about the murder. Hornets Yeah Yeah. Yeah's murder Hornets now. There's your foes no-one it's it's I don't even big. We should be filming our show at this point because it's too it's too knows it's the documentary. I think my theory is if this pandemic wasn't happening We wouldn't hurt anything about Murder Hornets or UFO's think that the people are just looking for anything else to talk about. Right Yeah Hey we're over here. Hey where were we have some ufo pictures then we we bet so for years but now nobody's paying any attention to us. Jesse Joyce Jimmy. Kimmel live on. Watch that every night. Because I'm working on that and then I'm just. I'm on twitter guessing that Jesse Joyce and Instagram Jesse Joyce one is somebody else got their first will thank you guys. Also much Allison Jesse. Ross and What was my plug? I had a good plug. I was GONNA do. Oh look for me. Constantly popping up on periscope and instagram live and could the three of you Alison and Russ Eh Jesse State snap a shot of yourself or your environment just set something. That represents a where you're at today during the show and texted to me and then I will collage together for Promo purposes. Churn and Yeah thanks everybody for listening in as always ride get those song ready. It's a new. It's a new ending. The show came up with as always. We're all gonna get lay in Kanji. There is no room for you.

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